From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Fri May 1 07:36:16 2015 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 06:36:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer Message-ID: <55436530.5040501@gmail.com> In building K3 #8999, I believe I discovered an omission from the errata sheet, having to do with the new synthesizer board. In the errata for "Page 70, Synthesizer Calibration," I believe the display of "SYN1 OK" and "SYN2*FF" in the VFO B area of the LCD is dependent on having TECH MD turned on in the CONFIG MENU. At least it is on #8999 with firmware 5.14. 73, Randy, KS4L From softblue at windstream.net Fri May 1 08:13:23 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 08:13:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Using Windows 10 Message-ID: <001301d08408$3892e460$a9b8ad20$@windstream.net> NaP3 / LP-Pan seems to run fine with my K3 under Windows 10. Dick - KA5KKT From w0agmike at gmail.com Fri May 1 10:07:53 2015 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 09:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CNC knob for K2 Message-ID: I have for sale a CNC machined knob for the K2 - not needed since I've sold the rig. You can see it here: http://www.73cnc.com/product_p/k2blkmain.htm Like new, no scratches, wear, etc. Cost was $90, sell for $50 including shipping. Mike - W0AG From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 1 11:24:54 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 15:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive Message-ID: <1431226994.454089.1430493894635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> What has happened to the Elecraft list at mail-archive.com? ?I generally try to look at it so I can easily look at only the messages that interest me. ?Lately only a few of the messages sent are appearing there. ?For example yesterday, April 30th there were 18 messages on the actual archive but only 4 showed up on mail-archive.com. ?They still show up on the digest that I receive and the actual archive at qth.net.Bob ?W6VY From dwines at suddenlink.net Fri May 1 11:54:00 2015 From: dwines at suddenlink.net (dwines) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 10:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer Message-ID: I believe the instructions say to turn on Tech Mode before checking SYNn. Don, K5DW Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Randy Moore Date:05/01/2015 6:36 AM (GMT-06:00) To: K3support at elecraft.com, Elecraft Discussion List Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer In building K3 #8999, I believe I discovered an omission from the errata sheet, having to do with the new synthesizer board. In the errata for "Page 70, Synthesizer Calibration," I believe the display of "SYN1 OK" and "SYN2*FF" in the VFO B area of the LCD is dependent on having TECH MD turned on in the CONFIG MENU. At least it is on #8999 with firmware 5.14. 73, Randy, KS4L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dwines at suddenlink.net From w0agmike at gmail.com Fri May 1 12:42:26 2015 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 11:42:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CNC knob for K2 Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded - the knob has been spoken for. 73, Mike - W0AG From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Fri May 1 13:18:02 2015 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C17B4C0-3720-49E6-B595-8059028F8C3E@gmail.com> On a third look, I see why I missed this. The instructions in the Assembly Manual do say to turn on Tech MD. However, when I initially went through the errata, I took the Page 70 note to replace all of the Synth. Cal. instructions in the manual, so when I got there during assembly, I just read the errata note and ignored the manual. I still think at least a note about turning on TECH MD would be good in the errata note. Randy, KS4L > On May 1, 2015, at 10:54 AM, dwines wrote: > > I believe the instructions say to turn on Tech Mode before checking SYNn. > > Don, K5DW > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Randy Moore > Date:05/01/2015 6:36 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: K3support at elecraft.com, Elecraft Discussion List > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer > > In building K3 #8999, I believe I discovered an omission from the errata > sheet, having to do with the new synthesizer board. > > In the errata for "Page 70, Synthesizer Calibration," I believe the > display of "SYN1 OK" and "SYN2*FF" in the VFO B area of the LCD is > dependent on having TECH MD turned on in the CONFIG MENU. At least it > is on #8999 with firmware 5.14. > > 73, > Randy, KS4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dwines at suddenlink.net From bob at hogbytes.com Fri May 1 14:34:29 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 11:34:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - Keyboard Connector? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1430505269936-7602060.post@n2.nabble.com> The USB connector on the side of the PX3 is for future upgrades one of which is a keyboard function. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Keyboard-Connector-tp7602051p7602060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri May 1 14:38:12 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive In-Reply-To: <1431226994.454089.1430493894635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431226994.454089.1430493894635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5543C814.2050901@socal.rr.com> Beats me, Bob. I usually search here http://marc.info/?l=elecraft after checking subject when I have a particular topic of interest. I guess you can also look at all messages there if you prefer. 73, Phil W7OX On 5/1/15 8:24 AM, Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft wrote: > What has happened to the Elecraft list at mail-archive.com? I generally try to look at it so I can easily look at only the messages that interest me. Lately only a few of the messages sent are appearing there. For example yesterday, April 30th there were 18 messages on the actual archive but only 4 showed up on mail-archive.com. They still show up on the digest that I receive and the actual archive at qth.net.Bob W6VY From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri May 1 14:44:02 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 14:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Using Windows 10 Message-ID: <0NNO00ATDPDGPL30@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> Hi Just checked out windows 10 in a virtual machine and it runs Win4k3suite? connected to the k3, kpa500 and KAT500? as well as hrd logbook, dxlabs, n1mm and log4om just fine. Much better interface than win 8. Curious observation though,? all comports on my edge port 8 port USB hub had the comport numbers in reverse order. Seems to perform very well with 4g as a 64 bit os. Tom va2fsq.com On May 1, 2015 8:13 AM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > > NaP3 / LP-Pan seems to run fine with my K3 under Windows 10. > > > > > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri May 1 15:28:52 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 15:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer In-Reply-To: <6C17B4C0-3720-49E6-B595-8059028F8C3E@gmail.com> References: <6C17B4C0-3720-49E6-B595-8059028F8C3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Such reading of errata would be a danger in anyone's manual correction. Unless a page specifically says "replace page X in its entirety with this page" then the original page must be read with an eye toward insertion, deletion or replacement based on the errata Of course I was told this in multiple educational settings without listening, and only actually learned when confronted with a resultant miswire and traced back to the source of my misinformation. We are so lucky with Elecraft to actually get fixes and revisions. In so many other places you have to buy a new model. Even half-baked errata is a huge improvement over those companies. 73 Guy On Friday, May 1, 2015, Randy Moore wrote: > On a third look, I see why I missed this. The instructions in the Assembly > Manual do say to turn on Tech MD. However, when I initially went through > the errata, I took the Page 70 note to replace all of the Synth. Cal. > instructions in the manual, so when I got there during assembly, I just > read the errata note and ignored the manual. I still think at least a note > about turning on TECH MD would be good in the errata note. > > Randy, KS4L > > > On May 1, 2015, at 10:54 AM, dwines > wrote: > > > > I believe the instructions say to turn on Tech Mode before checking SYNn. > > > > Don, K5DW > > > > > > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Randy Moore > > > Date:05/01/2015 6:36 AM (GMT-06:00) > > To: K3support at elecraft.com , Elecraft Discussion List < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer > > > > In building K3 #8999, I believe I discovered an omission from the errata > > sheet, having to do with the new synthesizer board. > > > > In the errata for "Page 70, Synthesizer Calibration," I believe the > > display of "SYN1 OK" and "SYN2*FF" in the VFO B area of the LCD is > > dependent on having TECH MD turned on in the CONFIG MENU. At least it > > is on #8999 with firmware 5.14. > > > > 73, > > Randy, KS4L > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dwines at suddenlink.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From htodd at twofifty.com Fri May 1 16:02:57 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 13:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer In-Reply-To: References: <6C17B4C0-3720-49E6-B595-8059028F8C3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Being in a customer support role, I have to say errata are quite important. The Elecraft errata aren't great and I wish they could use more on-demand printing so they could just ship a new manual instead of one where you have to jump all over from manual to errata back and forth. At the very least, fix the manuals online and tell people to check the versioning and use those if they're newer. Poor errata are better than no errata, but this is something I've mentioned to Elecraft as one of my few complaints in the past. On Fri, 1 May 2015, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Such reading of errata would be a danger in anyone's manual correction. > Unless a page specifically says "replace page X in its entirety with this > page" then the original page must be read with an eye toward insertion, > deletion or replacement based on the errata > > Of course I was told this in multiple educational settings without > listening, and only actually learned when confronted with a resultant > miswire and traced back to the source of my misinformation. > > We are so lucky with Elecraft to actually get fixes and revisions. In so > many other places you have to buy a new model. Even half-baked errata is a > huge improvement over those companies. > > 73 Guy > > On Friday, May 1, 2015, Randy Moore wrote: > >> On a third look, I see why I missed this. The instructions in the Assembly >> Manual do say to turn on Tech MD. However, when I initially went through >> the errata, I took the Page 70 note to replace all of the Synth. Cal. >> instructions in the manual, so when I got there during assembly, I just >> read the errata note and ignored the manual. I still think at least a note >> about turning on TECH MD would be good in the errata note. >> >> Randy, KS4L >> >> > On May 1, 2015, at 10:54 AM, dwines > > wrote: >> > >> > I believe the instructions say to turn on Tech Mode before checking SYNn. >> > >> > Don, K5DW >> > >> > >> > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone >> > >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Randy Moore > >> > Date:05/01/2015 6:36 AM (GMT-06:00) >> > To: K3support at elecraft.com , Elecraft Discussion List < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 errata for the new synthesizer >> > >> > In building K3 #8999, I believe I discovered an omission from the errata >> > sheet, having to do with the new synthesizer board. >> > >> > In the errata for "Page 70, Synthesizer Calibration," I believe the >> > display of "SYN1 OK" and "SYN2*FF" in the VFO B area of the LCD is >> > dependent on having TECH MD turned on in the CONFIG MENU. At least it >> > is on #8999 with firmware 5.14. >> > >> > 73, >> > Randy, KS4L >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to dwines at suddenlink.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From hb9anm at bluewin.ch Fri May 1 16:15:19 2015 From: hb9anm at bluewin.ch (Richard - HB9ANM) Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 20:15:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive Message-ID: <5543DED7.8010002@bluewin.ch> I was about to write the same thing re mail-archive.com. And even MARC says there are 15 nessages on May 1st so far, but it only displays five... 73 Richard - HB9ANM From johnsails at hotmail.com Fri May 1 18:35:52 2015 From: johnsails at hotmail.com (John Sails) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 18:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 KEYER FOR SALE Message-ID: For Sale: KXPD3 Precision Iambic Keyer Paddle, upgraded version. $99.00 USD, USPS Priority free. Comes with tension springs and Wrenches PayPal OK. John KK4SHF JOHNSAILS at HOTMAIL.COM From k6um.elist at gmail.com Fri May 1 19:23:20 2015 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 16:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive In-Reply-To: <1431226994.454089.1430493894635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431226994.454089.1430493894635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I talked with Erik about this at Visalia. The problem is at the maill-archive.com end. I sent them an email about what has changed, but never received a response. My solution was to create a new Gmail account k6um.elist and subscribe to the Elecraft email list. Gmail has good search tools and one can quickly delete the messages you don't care about. Steve, K6UM On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > What has happened to the Elecraft list at mail-archive.com? I generally > try to look at it so I can easily look at only the messages that interest > me. Lately only a few of the messages sent are appearing there. For > example yesterday, April 30th there were 18 messages on the actual archive > but only 4 showed up on mail-archive.com. They still show up on the > digest that I receive and the actual archive at qth.net.Bob W6VY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com From k9nu at mchsi.com Fri May 1 21:19:59 2015 From: k9nu at mchsi.com (Paul DeFelice) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 20:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ELECRAFT K3/0 FOR SALE Message-ID: <000001d08476$1c355910$54a00b30$@mchsi.com> FOR SALE: K3/0 Remote control head (NOT THE K3/0 MINI). This box is the same size as the K3. Includes RRK0CBL cable set. Excellent condition - nonsmoking environment. $450.00 Plus Shipping (I have the original shipping carton with foam inserts). Photos available upon request. Please contact me off the reflector: k9nu at mchsi dot com. 73, Paul K9NU From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri May 1 22:31:10 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 02:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXFL3 in KX3 In-Reply-To: <1137885022.202475.1430523365890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554400A6.9030403@elecraft.com> <1137885022.202475.1430523365890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <372111817.22750.1430533870560.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Hello elecrafters, The installed KXFL3 in my KX3#609 seems not working for all the bands.? It only works in 14Mhz and 145mhz.? For the remaining bands, no matter how?I change the filter passband width, the indication stays at FL1.? In the?past, it will move to FL2?or FL3. Any ways to verify whether the KXFL3 is working?? 73 Johnny VR2XMC From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Fri May 1 23:06:25 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 13:06:25 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXFL3 in KX3 In-Reply-To: <372111817.22750.1430533870560.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554400A6.9030403@elecraft.com> <1137885022.202475.1430523365890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <372111817.22750.1430533870560.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Johnny, Make sure you have RX SHFT=NOR rather than 8kHz. This is a per-band setting, and will prevent you from using the roofing filter if set wrong. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2015-maj-02, at 12:31, Johnny Siu wrote: > > > Hello elecrafters, > The installed KXFL3 in my KX3#609 seems not working for all the bands. It only works in 14Mhz and 145mhz. For the remaining bands, no matter how I change the filter passband width, the indication stays at FL1. In the past, it will move to FL2 or FL3. > Any ways to verify whether the KXFL3 is working? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri May 1 23:22:34 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 03:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXFL3 in KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1323790873.33158.1430536954248.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks,Matt, problem solved. Really stupid on my side. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Matt VK2RQ ???? Johnny Siu ??(CC)? Elecraft ????? 2015?05?2? (??) 11:06 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KXFL3 in KX3 Hi Johnny, Make sure you have RX SHFT=NOR rather than 8kHz. This is a per-band setting, and will prevent you from using the roofing filter if set wrong. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2015-maj-02, at 12:31, Johnny Siu wrote: > > >? ? Hello elecrafters, > The installed KXFL3 in my KX3#609 seems not working for all the bands.? It only works in 14Mhz and 145mhz.? For the remaining bands, no matter how I change the filter passband width, the indication stays at FL1.? In the past, it will move to FL2 or FL3. > Any ways to verify whether the KXFL3 is working?? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 1 23:23:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 03:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive In-Reply-To: <1662410320.38297.1430527747893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5543C814.2050901@socal.rr.com> <1662410320.38297.1430527747893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1454186503.73071.1430536994846.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Robert Dorchuck W6VY To: Phil Wheeler Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail Archive Thanks to all for the replies. ?Using?http://marc.info/?l=elecraft? seems to be the?best option for me. ?And now I know that it is not at my end. 73Bob W6VY From esteptony at gmail.com Fri May 1 23:38:02 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 22:38:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio engineering celebrity Message-ID: Those who are interested in audio engineering may like this very entertaining and interesting article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/young-guru-is-the-most-influential-man-in-hip-hop-youve-never-heard-of-1430415388?mod=trending_now_3 From sjl219 at optonline.net Sat May 2 10:17:46 2015 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 10:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] FS - KXPA100 Message-ID: <7bc9ae2f.32473.14d14fd7bc6.Webtop.53@optonline.net> KXPA100 - factory built. ?Purchased 11/18/2014. ?Includes KXPACBL integrated cable but NO internal ATU (I used my remote coupler). ?My cost $828.12. ?Asking $550. ?I pay shipping/insurance. ?CONUS only. ?If interested, please email me OFF LIST. Reason for selling: ?I have been QRP for over 50 years. ?I wanted to see what QRO felt like. ?QRP is a lot more fun!? 73, Stan WB2LQF From sjl219 at optonline.net Sat May 2 10:21:56 2015 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] FS - W2 wattmeter Message-ID: <437a5e3b.3247c.14d15014eb5.Webtop.53@optonline.net> W2 wattmeter with directional coupler for 1.8 - 54 Mhz; .1 to 200 watts. $135.00 and I pay shipping/insurance. ?If interested please contact me OFF LIST. 73, Stan WB2LQF From sjl219 at optonline.net Sat May 2 13:30:29 2015 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 13:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] FS - W2 wattmeter - SOLD Message-ID: <22a3a3b8.339fb.14d15adeb60.Webtop.38@optonline.net> SOLD. ? ----------------------------------- W2 wattmeter with directional coupler for 1.8 - 54 Mhz; .1 to 200 watts. $135.00 and I pay shipping/insurance. ?If interested please contact me OFF LIST. 73, Stan WB2LQF From sjl219 at optonline.net Sat May 2 14:57:20 2015 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] FS - KXPA100 Message-ID: <36c9c6ef.3252a.14d15fd704a.Webtop.37@optonline.net> SOLD ( within minutes of posting ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- KXPA100 - factory built. ?Purchased 11/18/2014. ?Includes KXPACBL integrated cable but NO internal ATU (I used my remote coupler). ?My cost $828.12. ?Asking $550. ?I pay shipping/insurance. ?CONUS only. ?If interested, please email me OFF LIST. Reason for selling: ?I have been QRP for over 50 years. ?I wanted to see what QRO felt like. ?QRP is a lot more fun!? 73, Stan WB2LQF From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Sat May 2 16:59:54 2015 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 16:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Thermal Pads for Output Transistors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DAA26E330704078B486978D07649D1A@SHACKXPS> Hello, I just finished installing the audio output protection mod on my K3. To install the mod, the bottom rear panel is removed. The mod instructions say to make sure there are thermal pads on the three output transistors when you reinstall the bottom cover. However, my K3 (S/N 2977, factory build) did not have any thermal pads. Should I order some thermal pads and use the pads when I reassemble? My K3 has been working fine at full power for many years. --Ed-- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From steve at g4gxl.com Sat May 2 18:47:59 2015 From: steve at g4gxl.com (Steve, G4GXL) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 23:47:59 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FDIM (Four Days In May) at Dayton - registration closing soon ! Message-ID: If you plan to attend the Dayton Hamvention then you really should try to get to FDIM. FDIM (Four Days In May) is the conference of QRP ARCI but anyone can attend. Please register this weekend ! We will be printing badges and proceedings next week. Details are at www.qrparci.org/fdim Registering online gets you a free draw ticket for the seminar door prizes. You cannot buy seminar draw tickets at FDIM. Speakers this year are - Eric Swartz, WA6HHQ - from Elecraft George Dobbs, G3RJV - of GQRP Glen Popiel, KW5GP - author of 'Arduino for Ham Radio' Paul Darlington, M0XPD - the Man from Laramie Jay Slough, K4ZLE - top DXer and technical guru Mike Bryce, WB8VGE - author of the 'HW Handbook' All events are at the Holiday Inn, Fairborn just 30 minutes from the Hamvention Thursday 14 May (Seminars and Vendor Night) Friday 15 May (Club Night, Show and Tell, Homebrew Competition) Saturday 16 May (Grand Banquet, QRP Hall of Fame) Register at www.qrparci.org/fdim 73 Steve Fletcher, G4GXL -- QRP ARCI Vice-President - www.qrparci.org Facebook - www.facebook.com/qrparci Twitter - www.twitter.com/qrparci From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Sat May 2 19:43:29 2015 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 18:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error Message help ple Message-ID: <55456121.6050304@gmail.com> I'm getting an Error message on VFO A ( E000202 ) and on VFO B ( Hi RFI ) Doing a search for Hi RFI , it appears D25 is bad but I couldn't find on what board ? I do have 2 K3's and was on 80m this morning , the K3 with the error stays on 6m ... the 2 antennas are 100ft apart. I've had this same setup for the past 4 years but it looks like it's time for better protection . I couldn't fine much info on error E000202 ? I have no sound from the speaker, I can't get into the menu or config .. I can change bands! Looks like a call to Elecraft come Monday Morning. If anyone can share what you know about these two error's I would appreciate it very much. Thanks Ed N5DG --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From w1dwz at fullchannel.net Sat May 2 19:56:36 2015 From: w1dwz at fullchannel.net (w1dwz w1dwz) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 19:56:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 parts Message-ID: I just installed the Internal Battery Kit in my K1 . Therefore, I have the top cover and speaker left over. Hate to toss in trash . FREE to good home. Dave W1DWZ From kk5f at earthlink.net Sat May 2 20:52:17 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 19:52:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 parts Message-ID: <30353366.1430614337854.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >I just installed the Internal Battery Kit in my K1 . Therefore, I have >the top cover and speaker left over. Hate to toss in trash . FREE to good >home. Dave W1DWZ That would be imprudent. I suggest hanging on to them. I had the KBT1 installed in my K1 for 18 months before I concluded that it was a bad option. 1. The cells can not be recharged in place. 2. There is no barrier between the cell holder and the PCBs under and around it. The PCBs are exposed to any cell chemical leakage and outgassing. 3. The micro-speaker that is part of the KBT1 is very inferior in performance (both AF volume and AF quality) compared to the standard K1 speaker. 4. The standard K1 top cover and speaker grill are much more attractive than the unsymmetrical KBT1 top cover. 5. I found that an external 10-AA cell holder was a better choice than the internal 8-AA cell holder. I was much happier with my K1 after I eliminated the KBT1. The KBT1 and the KTS1 (tilt stand) are only Elecraft items I regret purchasing. Mike / KK5F K1 S/N 175...14.5 years old! From w0eb at cox.net Sun May 3 11:44:19 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 15:44:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results Message-ID: As most of you know, a couple days ago, Wayne talked about a mod to improve the VLF sensitivity of the K3 after the KSYN3A synthesizer installation. I volunteered and he sent me the information on what parts were needed and where they went. After finding out that I didn't have the right parts in my stock I went looking. Wound up ordering them from Mouser with a delivery date of this coming Tuesday. Being the impatient type that I am, I went looking. We have a local (former) Radio Shack franchisee that is also our area ham radio store. I finally called him and found out that he did indeed have some surface mount capacitors of the necessary value and also the electrolytic caps that I was out of. Parts in hand, I proceeded to open up the K3. Since mine was a factory built one, though I'd done some repair and installation of the KSYN3A synthesizers, I hadn't had it disassembled to the points necessary to do the mods before. Having worked on many unfamiliar radios in my US Army and Commercial 2-Way Radio careers, I jumped right in (read the book later, sort of). It was necessary to remove the KRX3 sub receiver and the KBPF3 General Coverage Bandpass Filter in order to perform the modifications. If you have the KSYN3A synthesizers and want to do the mods, you'll have to get them from Wayne though. He gave me permission to post my experiences & results, but not the total details of the mods. Prior to doing anything a "before" MDS (minimum discernable signal) test was requested on several of the VLF frequencies (137 KHz and 472 KHz) requiring a calibrated signal generator that will output -107dBm signals on those frequencies. Mine would not so I used a 0 to 69 db precision step attenuator to take the output down from -73 dBm (50 microvolts) to the required -107. Prior to the modifications, the MDS for those frequencies in MY K3 (your results will most certainly vary a bit) were 137 KHz, MDS -82 dBm and 472 KHz -98 dBm somewhere close to what it was determined it should be. After completing the modifications which consist of adding a couple of components on the main RF board, removing a couple of inductors and replacing 3 surface mount capacitors on the KBPF3, as I was reassembling the radio, I had all but completed the job when I accidentally dropped one of the screws and washers used to hold the stiffener bar to the PA shield. It IS necessary to remove this if you have a KRX3 sub receiver in order to get the KRX3 out. That errant screw dropped down into the guts of the K3. When I turned it upside down and shook it, nothing appeared to come out and I didn't hear it rattling around either. Scary stuff, I had to completely disassemble things again, including the PA which was over the area the screw & washer fell into. Still finding nothing, I was really worried now so I got up to get a bigger flashlight to help search. As I stood up, the screw and washer fell out of my lap. Much ado about nothing, but I sure as heck didn't want to reassemble the K3 and have a screw floating around on top of the main RF board. Word to the wise, if you do the mods, keep CAREFUL track of all screws, washers and other parts so they don't drop where they shouldn't and you won't have to do what I did. Fortunately, after the scare, everything went back in place and everything worked when I re-connected things and powered it up. Again, it was requested to do an "after" MDS on those two frequencies and the results (on MY K3, serial# 5027) are as follows with 2 additional freq's in the range added. 137 KHz - Wayne got -114 dBm on the lab K3, I got -116 dBm on mine. 160 KHz - Wayne got -117 dBm, I got -119. 250 KHz - Wayne got -126 dBm, I got -125. 472 KHz - Wayne got -133 dBm and I got -132. These are well within the tolerances of my personal test equipment (Sig gen was a SARK-110 Vector Impedance Analyzer containing a nicely calibrated signal generator that goes from 1.0 KHz through 230 MHz but minimum output is -73 dBm so I used a recently calibrated Telonic precision step attenuator to get it down to the necessary -107 dBm called out in Wayne's MDS measurement procedure. This morning, I hooked up my short PAR EndFedZ 40-20-10 meter QRP antenna which is strung up just above the house roof - far end 30 feet high near end/feedpoint 15 feet high with about 20 feet of RG-58 to the radio and tuned around the Aircraft Beacon band from 250 KHz through about 420 KHz and heard the following stations well after sunup when the noise level on those frequencies is quite a bit higher than during the night time. Heard on VLF this morning well after sun up - 8:30-9:00 Central Daylight Time in Park City (Wichita area), KS. Freq, Identifier, Location and approximate Distance from my QTH 332KHz IC Wichita KS 12 miles 350KHz RG Oklahoma City, OK 141 nautical miles 356KHz PTT Pratt, KS 68 nautical miles 375KHz DW Tulsa, OK 117.5 nautical miles 395KHz CA Newton, KS 15 nautical miles 407KHz HRU Herrington, KS 58.8 nautical miles 414KHz EGT Wellington, KS 28.8 nautical miles It looks like the modifications really do improve the receive sensitivity immensely on these frequencies. I tried listening for some of these beacons after installing the new synthesizers, but could only hear the Wichita and Newton beacons which are quite close to me. Jim Sheldon, W0EB From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 3 12:52:58 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 09:52:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <5546526A.4080707@coho.net> Good Morning, The sun has become much less active lately. Sunspots are few and solar flux is low. Conditions range from abysmal to poor. I keep checking to see if my antennas are still up. However, the weather is mild so they are doing fine. Hopefully these doldrums will not last too long and propagation will improve. Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 13:23:54 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 13:23:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 Message-ID: <1b4cf6.77a81ebd.4277b3aa@aol.com> FYI, I don't have a K3, but my KX3 drives my KPA500 to around 175-200 W, depending upon band and mode. This is especially useful on 6m, which my Orion II does not cover. On HF and 160m, the Orion easily drives the KPA500 to full power with 30-40 W in. On the HF bands I usually run the KX3 barefoot with a PX3. Lots of fun. 73 Ray W2RS From nf4l at comcast.net Sun May 3 14:03:35 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:03:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Message-ID: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. 73, Mike NF4L From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sun May 3 14:10:07 2015 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 14:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 parts In-Reply-To: <30353366.1430614337854.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30353366.1430614337854.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5546647F.8060200@gmail.com> On 05/02/2015 08:52 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: > >> I just installed the Internal Battery Kit in my K1 . Therefore, I have >> the top cover and speaker left over. Hate to toss in trash . FREE to good >> home. Dave W1DWZ > > That would be imprudent. I suggest hanging on to them. > [...] The KBT1 and the KTS1 (tilt stand) are only Elecraft items I regret purchasing. > > Mike / KK5F > K1 S/N 175...14.5 years old! I also removed the KBT1 from my K1 for the reasons Mike kk5f mentions and much prefer an external gel cell. I do enjoy the tilt stand, however, when operating at a picnic table. I can see where it might be less useful on a trail. Here I am roughing it - life can be so challenging - on Field Day 2013: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/fd2013/fd2013-i.jpg Notice gel cell, stand, etc. 73, Mike a3bap From bill at wjschmidt.com Sun May 3 14:16:38 2015 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 13:16:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmmm now the dilemma. Who wants to rip their radio apart to install the new KSYN3A pair just to rip it apart again to install these mods? I think ill wait until both are available. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill at wjschmidt.com > On May 3, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > > As most of you know, a couple days ago, Wayne talked about a mod to improve the VLF sensitivity of the K3 after the KSYN3A synthesizer installation. I volunteered and he sent me the information on what parts were needed and where they went. After finding out that I didn't have the right parts in my stock I went looking. Wound up ordering them from Mouser with a delivery date of this coming Tuesday. Being the impatient type that I am, I went looking. We have a local (former) Radio Shack franchisee that is also our area ham radio store. I finally called him and found out that he did indeed have some surface mount capacitors of the necessary value and also the electrolytic caps that I was out of. > > Parts in hand, I proceeded to open up the K3. Since mine was a factory built one, though I'd done some repair and installation of the KSYN3A synthesizers, I hadn't had it disassembled to the points necessary to do the mods before. Having worked on many unfamiliar radios in my US Army and Commercial 2-Way Radio careers, I jumped right in (read the book later, sort of). It was necessary to remove the KRX3 sub receiver and the KBPF3 General Coverage Bandpass Filter in order to perform the modifications. If you have the KSYN3A synthesizers and want to do the mods, you'll have to get them from Wayne though. He gave me permission to post my experiences & results, but not the total details of the mods. > > Prior to doing anything a "before" MDS (minimum discernable signal) test was requested on several of the VLF frequencies (137 KHz and 472 KHz) requiring a calibrated signal generator that will output -107dBm signals on those frequencies. Mine would not so I used a 0 to 69 db precision step attenuator to take the output down from -73 dBm (50 microvolts) to the required -107. > > Prior to the modifications, the MDS for those frequencies in MY K3 (your results will most certainly vary a bit) were 137 KHz, MDS -82 dBm and 472 KHz -98 dBm somewhere close to what it was determined it should be. > > After completing the modifications which consist of adding a couple of components on the main RF board, removing a couple of inductors and replacing 3 surface mount capacitors on the KBPF3, as I was reassembling the radio, I had all but completed the job when I accidentally dropped one of the screws and washers used to hold the stiffener bar to the PA shield. It IS necessary to remove this if you have a KRX3 sub receiver in order to get the KRX3 out. That errant screw dropped down into the guts of the K3. When I turned it upside down and shook it, nothing appeared to come out and I didn't hear it rattling around either. Scary stuff, I had to completely disassemble things again, including the PA which was over the area the screw & washer fell into. Still finding nothing, I was really worried now so I got up to get a bigger flashlight to help search. As I stood up, the screw and washer fell out of my lap. Much ado about nothing, but I sure as heck didn't want to reassemble the K3 and have a screw floating around on top of the main RF board. Word to the wise, if you do the mods, keep CAREFUL track of all screws, washers and other parts so they don't drop where they shouldn't and you won't have to do what I did. > > Fortunately, after the scare, everything went back in place and everything worked when I re-connected things and powered it up. > > Again, it was requested to do an "after" MDS on those two frequencies and the results (on MY K3, serial# 5027) are as follows with 2 additional freq's in the range added. > > 137 KHz - Wayne got -114 dBm on the lab K3, I got -116 dBm on mine. > 160 KHz - Wayne got -117 dBm, I got -119. > 250 KHz - Wayne got -126 dBm, I got -125. > 472 KHz - Wayne got -133 dBm and I got -132. > > These are well within the tolerances of my personal test equipment (Sig gen was a SARK-110 Vector Impedance Analyzer containing a nicely calibrated signal generator that goes from 1.0 KHz through 230 MHz but minimum output is -73 dBm so I used a recently calibrated Telonic precision step attenuator to get it down to the necessary -107 dBm called out in Wayne's MDS measurement procedure. > > This morning, I hooked up my short PAR EndFedZ 40-20-10 meter QRP antenna which is strung up just above the house roof - far end 30 feet high near end/feedpoint 15 feet high with about 20 feet of RG-58 to the radio and tuned around the Aircraft Beacon band from 250 KHz through about 420 KHz and heard the following stations well after sunup when the noise level on those frequencies is quite a bit higher than during the night time. > > Heard on VLF this morning well after sun up - 8:30-9:00 Central Daylight Time in Park City (Wichita area), KS. > > Freq, Identifier, Location and approximate Distance from my QTH > 332KHz IC Wichita KS 12 miles > 350KHz RG Oklahoma City, OK 141 nautical miles > 356KHz PTT Pratt, KS 68 nautical miles > 375KHz DW Tulsa, OK 117.5 nautical miles > 395KHz CA Newton, KS 15 nautical miles > 407KHz HRU Herrington, KS 58.8 nautical miles > 414KHz EGT Wellington, KS 28.8 nautical miles > > It looks like the modifications really do improve the receive sensitivity immensely on these frequencies. I tried listening for some of these beacons after installing the new synthesizers, but could only hear the Wichita and Newton beacons which are quite close to me. > > Jim Sheldon, W0EB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun May 3 14:24:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 14:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554667F5.5000005@embarqmail.com> The new synthesizers only require removing the top cover, taking 2 screws out of each synthesizer board and exchanging a few cables (easily reached). That is not what I would call "rip their radio apart". I would certainly advocate changing the synth boards when they arrive. The mod to the KBPFL3 is only preliminary and it may be a while before it is available. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 2:16 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote: > Hmmmm now the dilemma. Who wants to rip their radio apart to install the new KSYN3A pair just to rip it apart again to install these mods? I think ill wait until both are available. > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > >> On May 3, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >> >> As most of you know, a couple days ago, Wayne talked about a mod to improve the VLF sensitivity of the K3 after the KSYN3A synthesizer installation. I volunteered and he sent me the information on what parts were needed and where they went. After finding out that I didn't have the right parts in my stock I went looking. Wound up ordering them from Mouser with a delivery date of this coming Tuesday. Being the impatient type that I am, I went looking. We have a local (former) Radio Shack franchisee that is also our area ham radio store. I finally called him and found out that he did indeed have some surface mount capacitors of the necessary value and also the electrolytic caps that I was out of. >> >> Parts in hand, I proceeded to open up the K3. Since mine was a factory built one, though I'd done some repair and installation of the KSYN3A synthesizers, I hadn't had it disassembled to the points necessary to do the mods before. Having worked on many unfamiliar radios in my US Army and Commercial 2-Way Radio careers, I jumped right in (read the book later, sort of). It was necessary to remove the KRX3 sub receiver and the KBPF3 General Coverage Bandpass Filter in order to perform the modifications. If you have the KSYN3A synthesizers and want to do the mods, you'll have to get them from Wayne though. He gave me permission to post my experiences & results, but not the total details of the mods. >> >> Prior to doing anything a "before" MDS (minimum discernable signal) test was requested on several of the VLF frequencies (137 KHz and 472 KHz) requiring a calibrated signal generator that will output -107dBm signals on those frequencies. Mine would not so I used a 0 to 69 db precision step attenuator to take the output down from -73 dBm (50 microvolts) to the required -107. >> >> Prior to the modifications, the MDS for those frequencies in MY K3 (your results will most certainly vary a bit) were 137 KHz, MDS -82 dBm and 472 KHz -98 dBm somewhere close to what it was determined it should be. >> >> After completing the modifications which consist of adding a couple of components on the main RF board, removing a couple of inductors and replacing 3 surface mount capacitors on the KBPF3, as I was reassembling the radio, I had all but completed the job when I accidentally dropped one of the screws and washers used to hold the stiffener bar to the PA shield. It IS necessary to remove this if you have a KRX3 sub receiver in order to get the KRX3 out. That errant screw dropped down into the guts of the K3. When I turned it upside down and shook it, nothing appeared to come out and I didn't hear it rattling around either. Scary stuff, I had to completely disassemble things again, including the PA which was over the area the screw & washer fell into. Still finding nothing, I was really worried now so I got up to get a bigger flashlight to help search. As I stood up, the screw and washer fell out of my lap. Much ado about nothing, but I sure as heck didn't want to reassemble the K3 and have a screw floating around on top of the main RF board. Word to the wise, if you do the mods, keep CAREFUL track of all screws, washers and other parts so they don't drop where they shouldn't and you won't have to do what I did. >> >> Fortunately, after the scare, everything went back in place and everything worked when I re-connected things and powered it up. >> >> Again, it was requested to do an "after" MDS on those two frequencies and the results (on MY K3, serial# 5027) are as follows with 2 additional freq's in the range added. >> >> 137 KHz - Wayne got -114 dBm on the lab K3, I got -116 dBm on mine. >> 160 KHz - Wayne got -117 dBm, I got -119. >> 250 KHz - Wayne got -126 dBm, I got -125. >> 472 KHz - Wayne got -133 dBm and I got -132. >> >> These are well within the tolerances of my personal test equipment (Sig gen was a SARK-110 Vector Impedance Analyzer containing a nicely calibrated signal generator that goes from 1.0 KHz through 230 MHz but minimum output is -73 dBm so I used a recently calibrated Telonic precision step attenuator to get it down to the necessary -107 dBm called out in Wayne's MDS measurement procedure. >> >> This morning, I hooked up my short PAR EndFedZ 40-20-10 meter QRP antenna which is strung up just above the house roof - far end 30 feet high near end/feedpoint 15 feet high with about 20 feet of RG-58 to the radio and tuned around the Aircraft Beacon band from 250 KHz through about 420 KHz and heard the following stations well after sunup when the noise level on those frequencies is quite a bit higher than during the night time. >> >> Heard on VLF this morning well after sun up - 8:30-9:00 Central Daylight Time in Park City (Wichita area), KS. >> >> Freq, Identifier, Location and approximate Distance from my QTH >> 332KHz IC Wichita KS 12 miles >> 350KHz RG Oklahoma City, OK 141 nautical miles >> 356KHz PTT Pratt, KS 68 nautical miles >> 375KHz DW Tulsa, OK 117.5 nautical miles >> 395KHz CA Newton, KS 15 nautical miles >> 407KHz HRU Herrington, KS 58.8 nautical miles >> 414KHz EGT Wellington, KS 28.8 nautical miles >> >> It looks like the modifications really do improve the receive sensitivity immensely on these frequencies. I tried listening for some of these beacons after installing the new synthesizers, but could only hear the Wichita and Newton beacons which are quite close to me. >> >> Jim Sheldon, W0EB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From dpbunte at gmail.com Sun May 3 14:58:25 2015 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:58:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike - Like you, I don't plan to go to the lower freqs., and seldom go faster than 32 wpm, but I got my board in the first shipment, and to me, my K3 "seems" quieter on receive. That could be because I want it to be improved, but that is clearly this impression I have. Dave - K9FN On May 3, 2015 2:04 PM, "Mike Reublin NF4L" wrote: > What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) > after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below > 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a > bit of contesting to that end. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Sun May 3 15:24:38 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 12:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Receiver or converter for VLF reception? Message-ID: <554675F6.5010300@sbcglobal.net> Wayne has stated that, even with the new synthesizer board(s), receiver sensitivity drops off as we go lower in frequency. If any of you are receiving the VHF portion of the spectrum, what type of receiver or receiving converter are you using? That is, short of a $3,000+ communications-grade receiver? Thanks for any advice and 73 de Jim - AD6CW From k2mk at comcast.net Sun May 3 15:25:31 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 12:25:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1430681131888-7602091.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Mike, I have pondered the exact same thing. I hope folks answer you via the reflector as I, and perhaps others, would like to read the replies. 73, Mike K2MK What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. 73, Mike NF4L -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KSYN3A-tp7602086p7602091.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 15:34:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gerry Kersus via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Message-ID: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? Thanks, Gerry, W1GD From jim at jtmiller.com Sun May 3 15:54:10 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:54:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Receiver or converter for VLF reception? In-Reply-To: <554675F6.5010300@sbcglobal.net> References: <554675F6.5010300@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: With the increase in atmospheric noise as the frequency goes lower even in a quiet rural setting I suspect the new proposed mods will be sufficient. Note that both bands are pretty narrow best served by narrow modes the widest of which will likely be CW. PSK31, PSK64, JT65 or the newer JT9 would fit nicely. The increased processing gain of the JT modes would also help with the really weak signals expected of transcontinental or transoceanic sources. I'm planning to get on with just the K3 and whatever mods are available and hoping that along with some firmware upgrades someone (Elecraft?) comes up with an amp which can come off the transverter TX out. If I have to build one myself I'd probably skip the linear stuff (PSK) and just go with an easier to build nonlinear one for CW and JT modes. jim ab3cv On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > Wayne has stated that, even with the new synthesizer board(s), receiver > sensitivity drops off as we go lower in frequency. > > If any of you are receiving the VHF portion of the spectrum, what type of > receiver or receiving converter are you using? > > That is, short of a $3,000+ communications-grade receiver? > > Thanks for any advice and 73 de Jim - AD6CW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun May 3 15:58:03 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:58:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: North GA Chapter 10-10 International Frequency Change Message-ID: <0b4f01d085db$780d8b70$6828a250$@gmail.com> All, Effective next Sunday, May 10, the North Georgia Chapter of 10-10 International Net will meet at 1930 UTC (same time as always) on 28.410. The purpose of moving to a new frequency is to give Technician-class operators the opportunity to join us and gain HF experience. Anyone who wishes to join the net is invited and welcome. Again, the North Georgia Chapter of10-10 Internation Net now meets Sunday afternoons at 1930 UTC on 28.410. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Sun May 3 16:28:34 2015 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 15:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] test only Message-ID: <554684F2.3090408@gmail.com> Ed --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun May 3 16:29:18 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 16:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> References: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <5546851E.1090500@embarqmail.com> Gerry, There are several reasons for ERR 12V - look in the manual Error chart for possible activities. There is another possibility that is not in the manual. See http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPA3%20Power%20Connector%20Replacement.pdf I am curious why you said "other than replacing the KPA3 power connector" - unless you have already made that change. On earlier K3s, gold pins were not initially used for the 12v power pins to the KPA3. In some cases, the tinned pins were not sufficient to carry the required current. Elecraft does offer a KPA3CONMDKT to allow you to change those pins to gold plated types. You may order that kit from parts at elecraft.com. I recall they are being provided at no cost. The kit is not difficult to install, but it does require removing the rear panel from the K3 to gain access and you can expect to spend some time removing screws. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 3:34 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. > > > Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? > Thanks, > Gerry, W1GD > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 16:49:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (John via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:49:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> References: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Gerry, Don's last suggestion and link is almost certainly answers the problem. Having owned two K3's in that serial range, I had the exact same issue with both. Both had the tin connectors. Replaced both with Elecraft supplied gold and no problems since. Elecraft will likely give you the gold connectors. With the earlier rigs, it's not a question of "if", it's when! John N0IJ Sent from my iPhone > On May 3, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > > While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. > > > Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? > Thanks, > Gerry, W1GD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbaumgarte at aol.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 16:56:45 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gerry Kersus via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 16:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <5546851E.1090500@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <14d1b911ea9-bdd-16a09@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Tnx Don, Actually I did look at the K3 Manual but the breaker has not tripped. Since the KPA3 does work some of the time, I assume it's not a KPA3 short. I read this list regularly and I am aware of the connector issue with early K3s including mine. In fact, I believe that I have the replacement connector because Elecraft sent it to me when I had issues with other connectors. I have not replaced it since I didn't have this problem before. I have already reviewed the replacement instructions -- it does seem like a fair about of dis-assembly is needed to access the connector. While I've done this level of dis-assembly several times before, I was just hoping to avoid it. As I recall there was also another hard-wired fix, but I'm not sure it's any easier to install. I guess I'll go find the new connector....... 73, Gerry, W1GD -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: w1gd ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Gerry, There are several reasons for ERR 12V - look in the manual Error chart for possible activities. There is another possibility that is not in the manual. See http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPA3%20Power%20Connector%20Replacement.pdf I am curious why you said "other than replacing the KPA3 power connector" - unless you have already made that change. On earlier K3s, gold pins were not initially used for the 12v power pins to the KPA3. In some cases, the tinned pins were not sufficient to carry the required current. Elecraft does offer a KPA3CONMDKT to allow you to change those pins to gold plated types. You may order that kit from parts at elecraft.com. I recall they are being provided at no cost. The kit is not difficult to install, but it does require removing the rear panel from the K3 to gain access and you can expect to spend some time removing screws. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 3:34 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. > > > Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? > Thanks, > Gerry, W1GD > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 17:05:50 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Outlook.com via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 17:05:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Update question Message-ID: <14d1b99721a-3eba-191c8@webprd-a104.mail.aol.com> Hi, I have a question about downloading P3 firmware updates. On the website's download area for P3 there is a comment in ( ) that says to download with K3 firmware above. What does this mean? Does it mean that I should download P3 firmware anytime I download K3 firmware, or something else. Both of my K3s and P3s are up to date. Just curious. Elecraft is great. 73, Steve, K4FJ From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun May 3 17:10:37 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 17:10:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d1b911ea9-bdd-16a09@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> References: <14d1b911ea9-bdd-16a09@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <55468ECD.7040705@embarqmail.com> Gerry, Yes, gaining access to bypass the pins to implement the hard-wired fix is just about the same as installing the pins. That hard wired fix is good for situations when on a DXpedition and there is not time to get the parts to the customer. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 4:56 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > Tnx Don, > Actually I did look at the K3 Manual but the breaker has not tripped. Since the KPA3 does work some of the time, I assume it's not a KPA3 short. > > > I read this list regularly and I am aware of the connector issue with early K3s including mine. In fact, I believe that I have the replacement connector because Elecraft sent it to me when I had issues with other connectors. I have not replaced it since I didn't have this problem before. > > > I have already reviewed the replacement instructions -- it does seem like a fair about of dis-assembly is needed to access the connector. While I've done this level of dis-assembly several times before, I was just hoping to avoid it. As I recall there was also another hard-wired fix, but I'm not sure it's any easier to install. > > > I guess I'll go find the new connector....... > > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun May 3 17:14:11 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 17:14:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Update question In-Reply-To: <14d1b99721a-3eba-191c8@webprd-a104.mail.aol.com> References: <14d1b99721a-3eba-191c8@webprd-a104.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <55468FA3.4050407@embarqmail.com> Steve, If you click on the P3 firmware link, you will see in red the minimum level of K3 firmware that must be loaded. If both your K3 and P3 firmware is up to date, you should not have any problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 5:05 PM, Outlook.com via Elecraft wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question about downloading P3 firmware updates. On the website's download area for P3 there is a comment in ( ) that says to download with K3 firmware above. What does this mean? > > Does it mean that I should download P3 firmware anytime I download K3 firmware, or something else. > > Both of my K3s and P3s are up to date. Just curious. > > Elecraft is great. > > From fcady at ece.montana.edu Sun May 3 17:23:56 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:23:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045D80E2F7@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi all, I'm working on some before and after testing to try to get a handle on what we might hear with the new synthesizer. I hope to have that done in a couple of days. I'll put a link up on my website and post the information here. 73 and cheers, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Mike Reublin NF4L > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 12:04 PM > To: Elecraft List > Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A > > What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) > after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs > below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) > and do a bit of contesting to that end. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From k9qjs at icloud.com Sun May 3 18:12:00 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 15:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" Message-ID: <00823260-F4E8-420A-AC89-0693CC9F4E5C@icloud.com> Hmph. My 3 month old KPA500 with my K3 and KAT500 had been giving me ?outstanding audio? reports when first put into service. But something changed and I don?t know what. I am now getting distorted audio when I turn it to operate from standby. Could not use it for my casual participation in the 7QP QSO party this weekend, and that was disappointing. Suggestions on how to troubleshoot? 73, Hoop K9QJS San Juan Island, WA From mcduffie at ag0n.net Sun May 3 18:21:52 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 16:21:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" Message-ID: > My 3 month old KPA500 with my K3 and KAT500 had been giving me ???outstanding audio??? reports when first put into service. I'd bet it doesn't sound bad on a dummy load? Gary From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 3 18:46:08 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 15:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results In-Reply-To: <554667F5.5000005@embarqmail.com> References: <554667F5.5000005@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5546A530.5020106@foothill.net> The synthesizer [1, I don't have the sub-Rx] installation took me 30 mins, 10 of which were spent looking for a top cover screw I dropped onto the dark carpet. If by "rip your radio apart", Dr. Schmidt is referring to the "wireless mess" behind the radio, that took a bit longer but only because I cleaned it up and got a lot of unused coax jumpers out in the process ... and labeled connectors on cables. Waiting for the KBPFL3 and doing it together is fine too. It's just not a big job and there was no "ripping" involved. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/3/2015 11:24 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The new synthesizers only require removing the top cover, taking 2 > screws out of each synthesizer board and exchanging a few cables (easily > reached). That is not what I would call "rip their radio apart". > I would certainly advocate changing the synth boards when they arrive. > The mod to the KBPFL3 is only preliminary and it may be a while before > it is available. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/3/2015 2:16 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote: >> Hmmmm now the dilemma. Who wants to rip their radio apart to install >> the new KSYN3A pair just to rip it apart again to install these mods? >> I think ill wait until both are available. From jackbrindle at me.com Sun May 3 19:01:36 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 16:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> Jim; Gary is right. What he means to tell you is that you should be looking for RF in the shack, getting into the K3. If the KPA500 had gone non-linear, then you would be seeing all sorts of faults. You aren?t reporting any, so most likely the problem is not in the KPA, but rather in something that cannot deal with the large amount of RF in the vicinity. Did you change something recently, antenna, audio, cabling, something else in the shack? - Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On May 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, mcduffie at ag0n.net wrote: > > >> My 3 month old KPA500 with my K3 and KAT500 had been giving me ???outstanding audio??? reports when first put into service. > > I'd bet it doesn't sound bad on a dummy load? > > Gary > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From k9qjs at icloud.com Sun May 3 19:03:56 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 16:03:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> References: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> Message-ID: Jack and all, Testing tomorrow will include testing on a dummy load. Yesterday I did experience faults on the KPA500 - several and then I stopped using it. Hoop On May 3, 2015, at 16:01 , Jack Brindle wrote: Jim; Gary is right. What he means to tell you is that you should be looking for RF in the shack, getting into the K3. If the KPA500 had gone non-linear, then you would be seeing all sorts of faults. You aren?t reporting any, so most likely the problem is not in the KPA, but rather in something that cannot deal with the large amount of RF in the vicinity. Did you change something recently, antenna, audio, cabling, something else in the shack? - Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On May 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, mcduffie at ag0n.net wrote: > > >> My 3 month old KPA500 with my K3 and KAT500 had been giving me ???outstanding audio??? reports when first put into service. > > I'd bet it doesn't sound bad on a dummy load? > > Gary > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From w1dwz at fullchannel.net Sun May 3 19:14:46 2015 From: w1dwz at fullchannel.net (w1dwz w1dwz) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 19:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 parts Message-ID: TAKEN. tnx / 72 Dave W1DWZ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 19:41:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (William C. Johnson via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 23:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Startup Message-ID: <1263560527.883932.1430696489380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The last two days when I turn on my KX3 it hangs with the lights on but nothing on the screen.It does not respond to any buttons and I have to pull the plug to shut it off.It will do this through varying start ups and then randomly start normal. Any ideas or past experiences? I will call Elecraft in the morning. Bill J K7BRR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 3 19:50:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 23:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1707912005.716787.1430697038865.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the update I've been swamped and have not had a chance to even order the parts From: Jim Sheldon To: Elecraft Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 11:44 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VLF Mod Trials, Tribulations and My Results As most of you know, a couple days ago, Wayne talked about a mod to improve the VLF sensitivity of the K3 after the KSYN3A synthesizer installation.? I volunteered and he sent me the information on what parts were needed and where they went.? After finding out that I didn't have the right parts in my stock I went looking.? Wound up ordering them from Mouser with a delivery date of this coming Tuesday.? Being the impatient type that I am, I went looking.? We have a local (former) Radio Shack franchisee that is also our area ham radio store.? I finally called him and found out that he did indeed have some surface mount capacitors of the necessary value and also the electrolytic caps that I was out of. Parts in hand, I proceeded to open up the K3.? Since mine was a factory built one, though I'd done some repair and installation of the KSYN3A synthesizers, I hadn't had it disassembled to the points necessary to do the mods before.? Having worked on many unfamiliar radios in my US Army and Commercial 2-Way Radio careers, I jumped right in (read the book later, sort of).? It was necessary to remove the KRX3 sub receiver and the KBPF3 General Coverage Bandpass Filter in order to perform the modifications.? If you have the KSYN3A synthesizers and want to do the mods, you'll have to get them from Wayne though.? He gave me permission to post my experiences & results, but not the total details of the mods. Prior to doing anything a "before" MDS (minimum discernable signal) test was requested on several of the VLF frequencies (137 KHz and 472 KHz) requiring a calibrated signal generator that will output -107dBm signals on those frequencies.? Mine would not so I used a 0 to 69 db precision step attenuator to take the output down from -73 dBm (50 microvolts) to the required -107. Prior to the modifications, the MDS for those frequencies in MY K3 (your results will most certainly vary a bit) were 137 KHz, MDS -82 dBm and 472 KHz -98 dBm somewhere close to what it was determined it should be. After completing the modifications which consist of adding a couple of components on the main RF board, removing a couple of inductors and replacing 3 surface mount capacitors on the KBPF3, as I was reassembling the radio, I had all but completed the job when I accidentally dropped one of the screws and washers used to hold the stiffener bar to the PA shield.? It IS necessary to remove this if you have a KRX3 sub receiver in order to get the KRX3 out.? That errant screw dropped down into the guts of the K3.? When I turned it upside down and shook it, nothing appeared to come out and I didn't hear it rattling around either.? Scary stuff, I had to completely disassemble things again, including the PA which was over the area the screw & washer fell into.? Still finding nothing, I was really worried now so I got up to get a bigger flashlight to help search.? As I stood up, the screw and washer fell out of my lap. ? Much ado about nothing, but I sure as heck didn't want to reassemble the K3 and have a screw floating around on top of the main RF board.? Word to the wise, if you do the mods, keep CAREFUL track of all screws, washers and other parts so they don't drop where they shouldn't and you won't have to do what I did. Fortunately, after the scare, everything went back in place and everything worked when I re-connected things and powered it up. Again, it was requested to do an "after" MDS on those two frequencies and the results (on MY K3, serial# 5027) are as follows with 2 additional freq's in the range added. 137 KHz - Wayne got -114 dBm on the lab K3, I got -116 dBm on mine. 160 KHz - Wayne got -117 dBm, I got -119. 250 KHz - Wayne got -126 dBm, I got -125. 472 KHz - Wayne got -133 dBm and I got -132. These are well within the tolerances of my personal test equipment (Sig gen was a SARK-110 Vector Impedance Analyzer containing a nicely calibrated signal generator that goes from 1.0 KHz through 230 MHz but minimum output is -73 dBm so I used a recently calibrated Telonic precision step attenuator to get it down to the necessary -107 dBm called out in Wayne's MDS measurement procedure. This morning, I hooked up my short PAR EndFedZ 40-20-10 meter QRP antenna which is strung up just above the house roof - far end 30 feet high near end/feedpoint 15 feet high with about 20 feet of RG-58 to the radio and tuned around the Aircraft Beacon band from 250 KHz through about 420 KHz and heard the following stations well after sunup when the noise level on those frequencies is quite a bit higher than during the night time. Heard on VLF this morning well after sun up - 8:30-9:00 Central Daylight Time in Park City (Wichita area), KS. Freq, Identifier, Location and approximate Distance from my QTH 332KHz IC Wichita KS 12 miles 350KHz RG Oklahoma City, OK 141 nautical miles 356KHz PTT Pratt, KS 68 nautical miles 375KHz DW Tulsa, OK 117.5 nautical miles 395KHz CA Newton, KS 15 nautical miles 407KHz HRU Herrington, KS 58.8 nautical miles 414KHz EGT Wellington, KS 28.8 nautical miles It looks like the modifications really do improve the receive sensitivity immensely on these frequencies.? I tried listening for some of these beacons after installing the new synthesizers, but could only hear the Wichita and Newton beacons which are quite close to me. Jim Sheldon, W0EB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Sun May 3 20:24:59 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould, K8WXA) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 20:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Startup In-Reply-To: <1263560527.883932.1430696489380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1263560527.883932.1430696489380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00E461E6-E26D-4F35-98B7-EEA51E1FD4D5@gmail.com> Sounds like you need to force a firmware download. Search for forcing a firmware download in the held file for the KX3 utility. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses > On May 3, 2015, at 19:41, William C. Johnson via Elecraft wrote: > > The last two days when I turn on my KX3 it hangs with the lights on but nothing on the screen.It does not respond to any buttons and I have to pull the plug to shut it off.It will do this through varying start ups and then randomly start normal. Any ideas or past experiences? > I will call Elecraft in the morning. > Bill J K7BRR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun May 3 20:31:37 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 00:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1b4cf6.77a81ebd.4277b3aa@aol.com> References: <1b4cf6.77a81ebd.4277b3aa@aol.com> Message-ID: <1579504355.401783.1430699497985.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Ray, I would like to see KPA500 can be driven by KX3 to 300W. ?Apparently, I feel that KX3 has a better ear than K3 in 6m I was also told that there was some FCC regulation in the dB gain of linear amplifier so that the power gain in KPA500 was limited. ?We don't have such regulation in Hong Kong, Of course, it is too greedy to expect the KX3 can drive KPA500 to full power. ?However, 300W could be a good compromise. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Ray W2RS via Elecraft ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?4? (??) 1:23 AM ??? [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 FYI, I don't have a K3, but my KX3 drives my KPA500 to around 175-200 W,? depending upon band and mode.? This is especially useful on 6m, which my? Orion II does not cover.? On HF and 160m, the Orion easily drives the? KPA500 to full power with 30-40 W in.? On the HF bands I usually? run the KX3 barefoot with a PX3.? Lots of fun. 73 Ray W2RS From nf4l at comcast.net Sun May 3 21:46:53 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 21:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1F373D13-A27D-4E88-961C-8457DD4D41F9@comcast.net> That would be nice, Dave. i'm one of the screwballs who considered the K3 noisy. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 3, 2015, at 2:58 PM, David Bunte wrote: > > Mike - > > Like you, I don't plan to go to the lower freqs., and seldom go faster than 32 wpm, but I got my board in the first shipment, and to me, my K3 "seems" quieter on receive. That could be because I want it to be improved, but that is clearly this impression I have. > > Dave - K9FN > > On May 3, 2015 2:04 PM, "Mike Reublin NF4L" > wrote: > What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From nf4l at comcast.net Sun May 3 21:48:33 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 21:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045D80E2F7@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045D80E2F7@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <50FC0B99-BF30-4485-8390-9136E00C29E7@comcast.net> Thanks, Fred. I'm looking forward to seeing your results. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 3, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm working on some before and after testing to try to get a handle on what we might hear with the new synthesizer. I hope to have that done in a couple of days. I'll put a link up on my website and post the information here. > 73 and cheers, > Fred KE7X > > Author of: > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Mike Reublin NF4L >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 12:04 PM >> To: Elecraft List >> Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A >> >> What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) >> after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs >> below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) >> and do a bit of contesting to that end. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From mjwetzel at comcast.net Sun May 3 22:26:39 2015 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 22:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem Message-ID: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> I was on 40 meter CW Saturday afternoon operating the Indiana QSO Party mildly, using a low 40 meter dipole and an amp. This K3 is new to me serial #8600 range and was on the K1N expedition. My other (2nd) K3 is in #4600 range. Two times I experienced a broad noise from 7024 to 7033 tuning above or below this range and the noise disappeared (I did this several times to confirm). It sounded like a SSB station splattering. I had a P3 on and saw it also. The 2nd time it happened I had my other K3 on and swapped frequencies and radios and the noise was not on the 2nd K3, swapping back and it was on the 1st one again. This was the first time I have experienced this but I have only had the new K3 in line for about a week. I used the radio maybe 4 times in the last week and did not notice any problem. I used the radio the rest of the day and did not notice this behavior again. Any thoughts? Thanks, Mike W9RE From mattz at elecraft.com Mon May 4 01:21:04 2015 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 22:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> References: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> Message-ID: Check your RF ground. On Sun, 03 May 2015 16:01:36 -0700, you wrote: >Jim; > >Gary is right. What he means to tell you is that you should be looking for RF in the shack, getting into the K3. > >If the KPA500 had gone non-linear, then you would be seeing all sorts of faults. You aren?t reporting any, so >most likely the problem is not in the KPA, but rather in something that cannot deal with the large amount of RF in the vicinity. >Did you change something recently, antenna, audio, cabling, something else in the shack? > >- Jack Brindle, W6FB >Elecraft Engineering > >> On May 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, mcduffie at ag0n.net wrote: >> >> >>> My 3 month old KPA500 with my K3 and KAT500 had been giving me ???outstanding audio??? reports when first put into service. >> >> I'd bet it doesn't sound bad on a dummy load? >> >> Gary >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 4 03:18:28 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: References: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> Message-ID: <55471D44.5030706@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,5/3/2015 10:21 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > Check your RF ground. WRONG! A connection to mother earth has nothing to do with solving RFI issues, nor does it make antennas work better. RATHER -- check BONDING and SHIELD connections -- is there a coax with a bad shield connection? Is every equipment chassis in the station bonded to every other chassis? That includes computer, rig, power amp, other accessories, the PSU for the rig. Is there a bond from there to power system "ground?" Since this is a problem that was not there before and is now, look for things that could have failed or changed. If it were not for that, I would be suggesting common mode chokes at the feedpoint of the antenna in use. When it worked before and doesn't work now, always ask "what might have changed (broken)?" 73, Jim K9YC From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon May 4 07:14:27 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 13:14:27 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> I installed two new SYN3A's yesterday in K3 #1255 A very positive surprise: The diversity mode has improved a lot. The 'woosh' during tuning has competely gone! Super. A negative surprise: Tuning noise on 40m (S3 !) plus birdies. I will install the tuning noise reduction mod (of 2009) now and see whether that helps and i'll move the TMP cables around to improve on the birdie problem. 73 Arie PA3A Mike Reublin NF4L schreef op 3-5-2015 om 20:03: > What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. > > From aldermant at windstream.net Mon May 4 07:36:28 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 07:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem In-Reply-To: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> References: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> Message-ID: <001e01d0865e$8f913390$aeb39ab0$@windstream.net> Interesting Mike. I have just recently gotten K3 s/n 8895 and I have noticed this 'band noise' in about the same 7024 to 7033 area. At first I thought it was someone trying to tune up on SSB, but the noise was solid for a little over five minutes and then it disappeared. I basically dismissed it because I never heard such with my six year old K3 plus I just would not suspect the K3 would internally produce such! I have heard this K3 'noise' maybe three times in the month that I've had this one. Anybody else (especially with the new synthesizer installed) heard this? 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wetzel Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 10:27 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem I was on 40 meter CW Saturday afternoon operating the Indiana QSO Party mildly, using a low 40 meter dipole and an amp. This K3 is new to me serial #8600 range and was on the K1N expedition. My other (2nd) K3 is in #4600 range. Two times I experienced a broad noise from 7024 to 7033 tuning above or below this range and the noise disappeared (I did this several times to confirm). It sounded like a SSB station splattering. I had a P3 on and saw it also. The 2nd time it happened I had my other K3 on and swapped frequencies and radios and the noise was not on the 2nd K3, swapping back and it was on the 1st one again. This was the first time I have experienced this but I have only had the new K3 in line for about a week. I used the radio maybe 4 times in the last week and did not notice any problem. I used the radio the rest of the day and did not notice this behavior again. Any thoughts? Thanks, Mike W9RE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon May 4 07:40:52 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 11:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> References: <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1790807877.772621.1430739652341.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Arie, I would suggest you install all the hardware modification?as mentioned by Elecraft http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_app_notes.htm It is not difficult and?many parts could be found in?the junk box. I did it all for my K3 at similar serial no. range. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A ???? Mike Reublin NF4L ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2015?05?4? (??) 7:14 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A I installed two new SYN3A's yesterday in K3 #1255 A very positive surprise: The diversity mode has improved a lot. The 'woosh'? during tuning has competely gone! Super. A negative surprise: Tuning noise on 40m (S3 !) plus birdies. I will install the tuning noise reduction mod (of 2009) now and see whether that helps and i'll move the TMP cables around to improve on the birdie problem. 73 Arie PA3A Mike Reublin NF4L schreef op 3-5-2015 om 20:03: > What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From nf4l at comcast.net Mon May 4 07:54:15 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 07:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Thanks, Arie. I've never tried diversity reception. I must get around to it soon. The birdies are a worrisome report. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 4, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > > I installed two new SYN3A's yesterday in K3 #1255 > > A very positive surprise: The diversity mode has improved a lot. The 'woosh' during tuning has competely gone! Super. > A negative surprise: Tuning noise on 40m (S3 !) plus birdies. > I will install the tuning noise reduction mod (of 2009) now and see whether that helps and i'll move the TMP cables around to improve on the birdie problem. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > Mike Reublin NF4L schreef op 3-5-2015 om 20:03: >> What could I expect to actually hear differently (not lab measurements) after the installation of the new synths? I have no interest in freqs below 1.8MHz, I'm not a high-speed CW guy. I chase DX (SSB, CW, RTTY) and do a bit of contesting to that end. >> >> > From no9e at arrl.net Mon May 4 08:51:24 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 05:51:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: <55471D44.5030706@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <00823260-F4E8-420A-AC89-0693CC9F4E5C@icloud.com> <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> <55471D44.5030706@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1430743884397-7602123.post@n2.nabble.com> Aside from RF feedback it may be low no-signal current. Had it in K3. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-How-to-troubleshoot-distorted-audio-tp7602104p7602123.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon May 4 09:31:40 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 15:31:40 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Hi all, I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise on 40m. First case: On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX To reproduce: mode: SSB, normal bandwidth freq: 7000 -7200 no antenna connected pre-amp off att off full RF gain AGC-S VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. Second case, with SUB RX on: Listening on MAIN RX Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX Third case, with SUB RX on: Listening on SUB RX SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the MAIN RX (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? 73 Arie PA3A From w0eb at cox.net Mon May 4 09:33:43 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 13:33:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New Synthesizers and Diversity Mode Message-ID: When I first got my K3 a few years ago (#5027) I tried diversity, but never really had much luck with it due to the lack of a halfway decent antenna to put on the 2nd receiver. With the new synthesizers installed and after doing the experimental VLF sensitivity modification, I used my QRP portable antenna (PAR EndFedZ) to listen down there. This morning I was listening to a QSO between K1JD and JA1NUT on 40 meters. JD was running S9+ with QSB down to around S3 and JA1NUT was about S7 down to S1 or so. Accidentally turned Diversity on and WOW what a difference that made - Shin (JA1NUT) was totally readable with diversity mode on. Had to get used to the stereo effect of having the signal pass between the speakers as the strength changed and one RX took over from the other but boy, it's much quieter than it used to be and the "whoosh" when tuning is completely gone. Really like the improved version of diversity and that alone is worth the cost of the two syn boards in my opinion. Someone mentioned "birdies" with the new KSYN3A's but I haven't found any in mine. He mentioned a much earlier serial number and I suspect that's the difference. Mine is #5027 and I've had it for a few years now. I AM running the latest firmware and have kept that current even through the Beta versions. Jim - W0EB Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Mon May 4 09:44:00 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:44:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem In-Reply-To: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> References: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> Message-ID: <1430747040826-7602126.post@n2.nabble.com> My other (2nd) K3 is in #4600 range. Any thoughts? Do you have KSYN3As installed in this unit? 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Weird-Intermittent-Problem-tp7602116p7602126.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kenk3iu at cox.net Mon May 4 09:49:00 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem In-Reply-To: References: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> Message-ID: <554778CC.3020705@cox.net> My K3, s/n 202 with all mods including the new synth boards, is presenting no noise as has been described in the several emails on this subject. Of course there is a lot of indescribable noise in the upper part of the band that I don't understand, but I think that is my problem and not the radio.:-) 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 5/4/2015 7:36 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Interesting Mike. I have just recently gotten K3 s/n 8895 and I have noticed > this 'band noise' in about the same 7024 to 7033 area. At first I thought it > was someone trying to tune up on SSB, but the noise was solid for a little > over five minutes and then it disappeared. I basically dismissed it because > I never heard such with my six year old K3 plus I just would not suspect the > K3 would internally produce such! I have heard this K3 'noise' maybe three > times in the month that I've had this one. > > Anybody else (especially with the new synthesizer installed) heard this? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Wetzel > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 10:27 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem > > I was on 40 meter CW Saturday afternoon operating the Indiana QSO Party > mildly, using a low 40 meter dipole and an amp. This K3 is new to me serial > #8600 range and was on the K1N expedition. My other (2nd) K3 is in #4600 > range. Two times I experienced a broad noise from 7024 to 7033 tuning above > or below this range and the noise disappeared (I did this several times to > confirm). It sounded like a SSB station splattering. I had a P3 on and saw > it also. The 2nd time it happened I had my other K3 on and swapped > frequencies and radios and the noise was not on the 2nd K3, swapping back > and it was on the 1st one again. This was the first time I have experienced > this but I have only had the new K3 in line for about a week. I used the > radio maybe 4 times in the last week and did not notice any problem. I used > the radio the rest of the day and did not notice this behavior again. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike W9RE > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From dmb at lightstream.net Mon May 4 10:00:30 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <49355.71.74.118.201.1430748030.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hi Arie, Just another data-point: I tried all three of your tests, and the S-meter stayed at S1 with no tuning noise at all on VFO-A or B. K3 SN: 5855 w/ 2 KSYN3A's 73, Dale WA8SRA > Hi all, > > I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise > on 40m. > > First case: > On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX > > To reproduce: > mode: SSB, normal bandwidth > freq: 7000 -7200 > no antenna connected > pre-amp off > att off > full RF gain > AGC-S > VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. > > > Second case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on MAIN RX > Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX > > > Third case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on SUB RX > SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the MAIN > RX > > (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) > > > Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? > > 73 > Arie PA3A From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon May 4 10:19:50 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> References: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1840531208.827594.1430749190667.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Arie, I tried your settings in my K3 #11xx and do not have any tuning noise issues. ?I am afraid I cannot provide you with further assistance in this area. In case, you find out the answer, please do share with the group. ?These are ancient K3 users like me in this email listing. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?4? (??) 9:31 PM ??? [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m Hi all, I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise on 40m. First case: On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX To reproduce: mode: SSB, normal bandwidth freq: 7000 -7200 no antenna connected pre-amp off att off full RF gain AGC-S VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. Second case, with SUB RX on: Listening on MAIN RX Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX Third case, with SUB RX on: Listening on SUB RX SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the MAIN RX (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? 73 Arie PA3A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 4 10:47:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX3 + KPA500 Message-ID: <176b0.7ee66363.4278e068@aol.com> ____________________________________ From: RSoifer1 at aol.com To: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 5/4/2015 7:18:48 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time Subj: Re: KX3 + K[A500. The KX3 has very good ears, as you can see in Rob Sherwood's tables. The most TX power to which I can drive the KPA500 with it is 220 W, on 160m. That's about 12.6 dB. 73 Ray W2RS From k0az at centurytel.net Mon May 4 10:47:21 2015 From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 09:47:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS XV50 6M Transverter Message-ID: <005001d08679$3ae89430$b0b9bc90$@centurytel.net> My XV50 transverter is still for sale. In good condition and previously used with my K2/10. 6 meters is starting to open and some DX openings have been spotted. The Summer Es Season is starting up. The manual for the XV50 is available on line at Elecraft. It will include the power cable fused and with Anderson power pole connectors. Also, will be the RF cables for a K2 with KV60 option if you need it. The I/O cable will be included if you need it as well for a K2 and computer. If you do not need either I would like to keep them otherwise they go with the XV50. $275 and I will ship it priority mail and will accept Paypal. Thanks, Mike K?AZ k0az at centurytel.net ? GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com Southwest Missouri ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0az at centurytel.net From cdistflatfoot at gmail.com Mon May 4 10:47:51 2015 From: cdistflatfoot at gmail.com (John Molenda) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 10:47:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New Synthesizers and Diversity Mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55478697.5080108@gmail.com> Hi Folks I am hearing about this new ksyn3a's synthesizer boards late in the game can some one tell me are these boards approved by elecraft ? How much are they ? how difficult are they to install . Thanks to all who try to help this lost one ! JOhn kb2huk On 5/4/2015 9:33 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > When I first got my K3 a few years ago (#5027) I tried diversity, but > never really had much luck with it due to the lack of a halfway decent > antenna to put on the 2nd receiver. With the new synthesizers > installed and after doing the experimental VLF sensitivity > modification, I used my QRP portable antenna (PAR EndFedZ) to listen > down there. > > This morning I was listening to a QSO between K1JD and JA1NUT on 40 > meters. JD was running S9+ with QSB down to around S3 and JA1NUT was > about S7 down to S1 or so. Accidentally turned Diversity on and WOW > what a difference that made - Shin (JA1NUT) was totally readable with > diversity mode on. Had to get used to the stereo effect of having the > signal pass between the speakers as the strength changed and one RX > took over from the other but boy, it's much quieter than it used to be > and the "whoosh" when tuning is completely gone. Really like the > improved version of diversity and that alone is worth the cost of the > two syn boards in my opinion. > > Someone mentioned "birdies" with the new KSYN3A's but I haven't found > any in mine. He mentioned a much earlier serial number and I suspect > that's the difference. Mine is #5027 and I've had it for a few years > now. I AM running the latest firmware and have kept that current even > through the Beta versions. > > Jim - W0EB > > > > > > Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other > alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my > email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a > priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a > vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman > and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be > meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cdistflatfoot at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From woodr90 at gmail.com Mon May 4 10:55:38 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" NOW: BONDING Message-ID: <000d01d0867a$62feeb30$28fcc190$@gmail.com> Bonding laptop any good ideas on bonding laptop, seems more difficult with no designed place to connect to (recent failure of another usb to serial cable....., a cheap blue one probably hot from China) 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:18 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" On Sun,5/3/2015 10:21 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > Check your RF ground. WRONG! A connection to mother earth has nothing to do with solving RFI issues, nor does it make antennas work better. RATHER -- check BONDING and SHIELD connections -- is there a coax with a bad shield connection? Is every equipment chassis in the station bonded to every other chassis? That includes computer, rig, power amp, other accessories, the PSU for the rig. Is there a bond from there to power system "ground?" Since this is a problem that was not there before and is now, look for things that could have failed or changed. If it were not for that, I would be suggesting common mode chokes at the feedpoint of the antenna in use. When it worked before and doesn't work now, always ask "what might have changed (broken)?" 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Mon May 4 10:59:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 10:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <5547893B.1020005@subich.com> > Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? I don't see it with #1450 ... I do hear a few fast tuning birdies (350 Hz/10 Hz VFO change) but most of them are less than -120 to -125 dBm equivalent (indicated on the calibrated P3) and are below the noise level with an antenna connected. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-04 9:31 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Hi all, > > I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise > on 40m. > > First case: > On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX > > To reproduce: > mode: SSB, normal bandwidth > freq: 7000 -7200 > no antenna connected > pre-amp off > att off > full RF gain > AGC-S > VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. > > > Second case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on MAIN RX > Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX > > > Third case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on SUB RX > SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the > MAIN RX > > (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) > > > Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon May 4 10:59:19 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:59:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: As has been stated here before, operating a K3 rx with the input unterminated is an invalid test. The rx will never be used this way to routinely listen to "nothing connected". Terminate the antenna connector with 50 ohms to make any test of this sort. Also remember that 40m band noise anywhere covers up a lot of rx internal noise. Terminated noise readings as a possible impact on received signals start to make sense on 10m and above. 73 Guy On Monday, May 4, 2015, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Hi all, > > I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise > on 40m. > > First case: > On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX > > To reproduce: > mode: SSB, normal bandwidth > freq: 7000 -7200 > no antenna connected > pre-amp off > att off > full RF gain > AGC-S > VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. > > > Second case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on MAIN RX > Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX > > > Third case, with SUB RX on: > Listening on SUB RX > SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the MAIN > RX > > (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) > > > Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From ny9h at arrl.net Mon May 4 11:03:26 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 11:03:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem In-Reply-To: <554778CC.3020705@cox.net> References: <6C012941AC8B4672AAA8C658CC6D07BC@rockne> <554778CC.3020705@cox.net> Message-ID: ser# 2244 2 new synths cannot find any solid carriers/ birdies in that 40 mtr region .... other than long tuneups, which go away with antenna switch,, cu all at dayton bill ny9h/ 3 From ruler55 at gmail.com Mon May 4 11:37:44 2015 From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 10:37:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" NOW: BONDING In-Reply-To: <000d01d0867a$62feeb30$28fcc190$@gmail.com> References: <000d01d0867a$62feeb30$28fcc190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CC869A5-682A-4ABB-93E7-9F287AEF0E92@gmail.com> Good question. Would the point where the video connector attaches to the laptop work? Robie - AJ4F > On May 4, 2015, at 09:55, Robert Wood wrote: > > > Bonding laptop > any good ideas on bonding laptop, seems more difficult with no designed > place to connect to > (recent failure of another usb to serial cable....., a cheap blue one > probably hot from China) > > 73 Robert W5AJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 2:18 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" > >> On Sun,5/3/2015 10:21 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> Check your RF ground. > > WRONG! A connection to mother earth has nothing to do with solving RFI > issues, nor does it make antennas work better. > > RATHER -- check BONDING and SHIELD connections -- is there a coax with a bad > shield connection? Is every equipment chassis in the station bonded to every > other chassis? That includes computer, rig, power amp, other accessories, > the PSU for the rig. Is there a bond from there to power system "ground?" > > Since this is a problem that was not there before and is now, look for > things that could have failed or changed. If it were not for that, I would > be suggesting common mode chokes at the feedpoint of the antenna in use. > > When it worked before and doesn't work now, always ask "what might have > changed (broken)?" > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ruler55 at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon May 4 12:07:18 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 12:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New Synthesizers and Diversity Mode In-Reply-To: <55478697.5080108@gmail.com> References: <55478697.5080108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55479936.3000507@embarqmail.com> John, Yes, the new KSYN3A boards are not only "approved" by Elecraft, they are designed and sold by Elecraft and included in every new K3 since the announcement. The KSYN3AUPG kit is priced at $189.95. If you have the KRX3 in your K3, you will need 2 of them. Installation is a matter of removing the top cover and removing 2 screws from each synthesizer board, then lift the board out and unplug the cables. Install the cables on each new board and plug it in - fasten two screws. Some have had trouble dropping the lockwashers that are behind the old synth boards when removing the screws. My method is to almost remove the screws, then tilt the top of the board to the rear and push the lockwashers up against the back of the board. Finish removing the screws and the lockwashers will stay on the screw threads. Not a difficult task at all. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/4/2015 10:47 AM, John Molenda wrote: > Hi Folks I am hearing about this new ksyn3a's synthesizer boards late > in the game can some one tell me are these boards approved by elecraft > ? How much are they ? how difficult are they to install . Thanks to > all who try to help this lost one ! JOhn kb2huk > > On 5/4/2015 9:33 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >> When I first got my K3 a few years ago (#5027) I tried diversity, but >> never really had much luck with it due to the lack of a halfway >> decent antenna to put on the 2nd receiver. With the new synthesizers >> installed and after doing the experimental VLF sensitivity >> modification, I used my QRP portable antenna (PAR EndFedZ) to listen >> down there. >> >> This morning I was listening to a QSO between K1JD and JA1NUT on 40 >> meters. JD was running S9+ with QSB down to around S3 and JA1NUT was >> about S7 down to S1 or so. Accidentally turned Diversity on and WOW >> what a difference that made - Shin (JA1NUT) was totally readable with >> diversity mode on. Had to get used to the stereo effect of having >> the signal pass between the speakers as the strength changed and one >> RX took over from the other but boy, it's much quieter than it used >> to be and the "whoosh" when tuning is completely gone. Really like >> the improved version of diversity and that alone is worth the cost of >> the two syn boards in my opinion. >> >> Someone mentioned "birdies" with the new KSYN3A's but I haven't found >> any in mine. He mentioned a much earlier serial number and I suspect >> that's the difference. Mine is #5027 and I've had it for a few years >> now. I AM running the latest firmware and have kept that current >> even through the Beta versions. >> >> Jim - W0EB >> >> >> >> >> >> Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other >> alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my >> email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a >> priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a >> vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman >> and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be >> meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cdistflatfoot at gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 4 12:16:10 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:16:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" NOW: BONDING In-Reply-To: <000d01d0867a$62feeb30$28fcc190$@gmail.com> References: <000d01d0867a$62feeb30$28fcc190$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55479B4A.2030906@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/4/2015 7:55 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > Bonding laptop > any good ideas on bonding laptop, seems more difficult with no designed > place to connect to > (recent failure of another usb to serial cable....., a cheap blue one > probably hot from China) On many laptops, the shell of a DB-series connector is bonded to the chassis. That's what I've used. I solder a short wire to a small lug that can fit under the retaining screw, and connect the wire to a single Power Pole. I do my in-shack bonding with single Power Pole jumpers made from either stranded #12 or braid stripped from transmitting coax, with heat shrink as a jacket. 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Mon May 4 12:25:33 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 09:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail Archive In-Reply-To: <5543DED7.8010002@bluewin.ch> References: <5543DED7.8010002@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <55479D7D.3080209@elecraft.com> Mail-Archive (and Nabble) are independent, non-official, archives and are not maintained by Elecraft. I'd recommend directly contacting them when there are problems. Also, Nabble is a good alternative. It appears to be reliable and has an even more flexible and searchable archive. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ === On 5/1/2015 1:15 PM, Richard - HB9ANM wrote: > I was about to write the same thing re mail-archive.com. > And even MARC says there are 15 nessages on May 1st so far, but it only > displays five... > > 73 > Richard - HB9ANM From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Mon May 4 12:26:43 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 17:26:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Startup In-Reply-To: <1263560527.883932.1430696489380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1263560527.883932.1430696489380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55479DC3.1040301@g3tct.co.uk> Hi Bill This sounds like the problem I had, and it could be bad news. In my case I was advised by Elecraft support that it was due to the MCU xtal oscillator not starting up, and the problem would likely get worse. I had to send the whole KX3 back to CA for repair, and pay postage both ways from UK :-( Graham On 19:59, William C. Johnson via Elecraft wrote: > The last two days when I turn on my KX3 it hangs with the lights on but nothing on the screen.It does not respond to any buttons and I have to pull the plug to shut it off.It will do this through varying start ups and then randomly start normal. Any ideas or past experiences? > I will call Elecraft in the morning. > Bill J K7BRR > > From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon May 4 12:31:23 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 18:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <55479EDB.6090609@xs4all.nl> Hey Guy, thanks for your remark on the termination of the K3. To give you a rough idea of the relative tuning noise, measured with the K3 dBV meter: - 4 dB above noise floor (terminated 50 ohm) - 5 dB above noise floor (open antenna input) (values + or - 0.5 dB) On 10m, the tuning noise adds about 2dB to the noise floor (terminated measurement) About the conditions on 40m: well aware of that and the effect on hearing tuning noise, :-) (...after nearly 40 years on HF. At least s7 noise on 40m where I live now.) The tuning noise on 40m just struck me. I did not expect to hear it that loud on the K3. I never noticed this with the old KSYN's so that is why I'm asking around in the reflector. I would not have heard it if I did not have to do the calibrations after installing the KSYN3A's. BTW: I never measured it on my K2 or FT1000MP (both are no longer in my possession so I cannot check that) 73 Arie PA3A Guy Olinger K2AV schreef op 4-5-2015 om 16:59: > As has been stated here before, operating a K3 rx with the input > unterminated is an invalid test. The rx will never be used this way to > routinely listen to "nothing connected". > > Terminate the antenna connector with 50 ohms to make any test of this > sort. Also remember that 40m band noise anywhere covers up a lot of rx > internal noise. Terminated noise readings as a possible impact on > received signals start to make sense on 10m and above. > > 73 Guy From cdistflatfoot at gmail.com Mon May 4 12:41:56 2015 From: cdistflatfoot at gmail.com (John Molenda) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 12:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New Synthesizers and Diversity Mode In-Reply-To: <55479936.3000507@embarqmail.com> References: <55478697.5080108@gmail.com> <55479936.3000507@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5547A154.8010300@gmail.com> Thanks guys ! I am excited to try them and it sounds like it is very easy to install . Great thinkers at Elecraft . John Molenda kb2huk On 5/4/2015 12:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Yes, the new KSYN3A boards are not only "approved" by Elecraft, they > are designed and sold by Elecraft and included in every new K3 since > the announcement. The KSYN3AUPG kit is priced at $189.95. If you > have the KRX3 in your K3, you will need 2 of them. > > Installation is a matter of removing the top cover and removing 2 > screws from each synthesizer board, then lift the board out and unplug > the cables. Install the cables on each new board and plug it in - > fasten two screws. > > Some have had trouble dropping the lockwashers that are behind the old > synth boards when removing the screws. My method is to almost remove > the screws, then tilt the top of the board to the rear and push the > lockwashers up against the back of the board. Finish removing the > screws and the lockwashers will stay on the screw threads. > > Not a difficult task at all. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/4/2015 10:47 AM, John Molenda wrote: >> Hi Folks I am hearing about this new ksyn3a's synthesizer boards late >> in the game can some one tell me are these boards approved by >> elecraft ? How much are they ? how difficult are they to install . >> Thanks to all who try to help this lost one ! JOhn kb2huk >> >> On 5/4/2015 9:33 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >>> When I first got my K3 a few years ago (#5027) I tried diversity, >>> but never really had much luck with it due to the lack of a halfway >>> decent antenna to put on the 2nd receiver. With the new >>> synthesizers installed and after doing the experimental VLF >>> sensitivity modification, I used my QRP portable antenna (PAR >>> EndFedZ) to listen down there. >>> >>> This morning I was listening to a QSO between K1JD and JA1NUT on 40 >>> meters. JD was running S9+ with QSB down to around S3 and JA1NUT >>> was about S7 down to S1 or so. Accidentally turned Diversity on and >>> WOW what a difference that made - Shin (JA1NUT) was totally readable >>> with diversity mode on. Had to get used to the stereo effect of >>> having the signal pass between the speakers as the strength changed >>> and one RX took over from the other but boy, it's much quieter than >>> it used to be and the "whoosh" when tuning is completely gone. >>> Really like the improved version of diversity and that alone is >>> worth the cost of the two syn boards in my opinion. >>> >>> Someone mentioned "birdies" with the new KSYN3A's but I haven't >>> found any in mine. He mentioned a much earlier serial number and I >>> suspect that's the difference. Mine is #5027 and I've had it for a >>> few years now. I AM running the latest firmware and have kept that >>> current even through the Beta versions. >>> >>> Jim - W0EB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other >>> alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my >>> email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a >>> priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a >>> vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a >>> doberman and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will >>> be meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to cdistflatfoot at gmail.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From drewko1 at verizon.net Mon May 4 12:44:54 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 12:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - New Synthesizers and Diversity Mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If that's all the antenna it takes to do successful diversity reception I'd like to try it. But I don't want to pay the price of a sub receiver. I wonder if a diversity receiver board could be manufactured that would be significantly cheaper than a full function sub-receiver... Re birdies/noise: I haven't heard any with my new synth board, 40m or elsewhere. 73, Drew AF2Z On Mon, 04 May 2015 13:33:43 +0000, you wrote: >When I first got my K3 a few years ago (#5027) I tried diversity, but >never really had much luck with it due to the lack of a halfway decent >antenna to put on the 2nd receiver. With the new synthesizers installed >and after doing the experimental VLF sensitivity modification, I used my >QRP portable antenna (PAR EndFedZ) to listen down there. > >This morning I was listening to a QSO between K1JD and JA1NUT on 40 >meters. JD was running S9+ with QSB down to around S3 and JA1NUT was >about S7 down to S1 or so. Accidentally turned Diversity on and WOW >what a difference that made - Shin (JA1NUT) was totally readable with >diversity mode on. Had to get used to the stereo effect of having the >signal pass between the speakers as the strength changed and one RX took >over from the other but boy, it's much quieter than it used to be and >the "whoosh" when tuning is completely gone. Really like the improved >version of diversity and that alone is worth the cost of the two syn >boards in my opinion. > >Someone mentioned "birdies" with the new KSYN3A's but I haven't found >any in mine. He mentioned a much earlier serial number and I suspect >that's the difference. Mine is #5027 and I've had it for a few years >now. I AM running the latest firmware and have kept that current even >through the Beta versions. > >Jim - W0EB > > > > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Mon May 4 13:16:05 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 13:16:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> References: <3B14A0C0-287C-4234-914D-87D5A44E4738@comcast.net> <55475493.9050804@xs4all.nl> <554774BC.1030609@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <00c701d0868e$052986f0$0f7c94d0$@verizon.net> I can't duplicate on #311 and #1435. Time to call Elecraft. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:32 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m Hi all, I just installed two new KSYN3A's in K3 #1255. I found high tuning noise on 40m. First case: On 40m S-3 tuning noise in the MAIN RX while tuning the MAIN RX To reproduce: mode: SSB, normal bandwidth freq: 7000 -7200 no antenna connected pre-amp off att off full RF gain AGC-S VFO tuning noise reduction Mod has no effect. Second case, with SUB RX on: Listening on MAIN RX Same tuning noise audible on MAIN RX while tuning the SUB RX Third case, with SUB RX on: Listening on SUB RX SUB RX has no tuning noise, neither tuning the SUB RX nor tuning the MAIN RX (I switched the two SYNT3A's, main to sub, sub to main: NO difference) Can anyone confirm this, or is #1255 unique in this? 73 Arie PA3A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From wb2abd at outlook.com Mon May 4 14:05:35 2015 From: wb2abd at outlook.com (Paul Antos) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 18:05:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A__K3_Weird_Intermittent_Problem?= Message-ID: I have an old timer ( #129 ) w/o the new synth boards. Strong noise at 7033 thru 7033.5 , and a much weaker version around 7021 thru 7022. Whatever they are, the weaker one disappears when the ANT jack/coax is shorted, and both disappear when nothing is attached to ANT. I had always considered these to be some wascally wall wart someplace. Paul WB2ABD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wetzel Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2015 10:27 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Weird Intermittent Problem I was on 40 meter CW Saturday afternoon operating the Indiana QSO Party mildly, using a low 40 meter dipole and an amp. This K3 is new to me serial #8600 range and was on the K1N expedition. My other (2nd) K3 is in #4600 range. Two times I experienced a broad noise from 7024 to 7033 tuning above or below this range and the noise disappeared (I did this several times to confirm). It sounded like a SSB station splattering. I had a P3 on and saw it also. The 2nd time it happened I had my other K3 on and swapped frequencies and radios and the noise was not on the 2nd K3, swapping back and it was on the 1st one again. This was the first time I have experienced this but I have only had the new K3 in line for about a week. I used the radio maybe 4 times in the last week and did not notice any problem. I used the radio the rest of the day and did not notice this behavior again. Any thoughts? Thanks, Mike W9RE Sent from Windows Mail From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:23:31 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 21:23:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Message-ID: Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have to pay customs Tax? I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs Tax, another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my breath... 73, Deni - F5VJC From iz4afw at iz4afw.org Mon May 4 15:35:00 2015 From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 21:35:00 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5547C9E4.2070804@iz4afw.org> Hi Deni, difficult and cumbersome matter, indeed, at least here in Italy. For what I know, anything above about 25 euros value is subject to customs duties and/or VAT. According to http://www.agenziadoganemonopoli.gov.it/wps/wcm/connect/internet/ed/dogane/cittadino/acquisti+su+internet/indice+acquisti+su+internet (in Italian) Pagamento di Dazi, IVA e Accise Valore Dazio (*) IVA (*) Fino a 22,00 ? NO NO da 22,01 ? a 150,00 ? NO SI oltre 150,00 ? SI SI So, up to 22? value, no customs duties ("Dazio", around 3-4%, depending on the kind of stuff (electronics, etc.)), neither VAT ("IVA") according to the EU country importing the stuff. >From 22.01 to 150 ? no customs duties, only VAT Over 150? value, both customs duties and VAT have to be applied. I assume that "value" is real value + shipping (even if already paid in the originating country) converted somehow to euros. Good luck :) Fabio IZ4AFW / IO4W / NZ1W Il 04.05.2015 21:23, F5vjc ha scritto: > Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have > to pay customs Tax? > > I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs Tax, > another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. > > I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my breath... > > > 73, Deni - F5VJC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > --- Questa e-mail ? stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. http://www.avast.com From dbbrown624 at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:45:27 2015 From: dbbrown624 at gmail.com (David Brown) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 15:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 parts Message-ID: I agree with KK5F and A3BAP on removing the KBT1 from the K1. I removed mine after several months of use due to the inconvenience of removing and reinstalling the batteries for charging. But it was convenient for grabbing the T1 for brief operating on the back deck. I saved the KBT1 parts and anyone can have them for $5 plus shipping. 73 ... Dave, K8AX K1 S/N 757 From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Mon May 4 16:07:50 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 21:07:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <5547C9E4.2070804@iz4afw.org> References: <5547C9E4.2070804@iz4afw.org> Message-ID: Here in the UK I only paid VAT plus the usual customs release fee, as I have with everything else that I have bought from Elecraft over the years. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 4 May 2015 at 20:35, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote: > Hi Deni, > difficult and cumbersome matter, indeed, at least here in Italy. > For what I know, anything above about 25 euros value is subject to customs > duties and/or VAT. > According to > http://www.agenziadoganemonopoli.gov.it/wps/wcm/connect/internet/ed/dogane/cittadino/acquisti+su+internet/indice+acquisti+su+internet > (in Italian) > > Pagamento di Dazi, IVA e Accise > Valore Dazio (*) IVA (*) > Fino a 22,00 ? NO NO > da 22,01 ? a 150,00 ? NO SI > oltre 150,00 ? SI SI > > > So, up to 22? value, no customs duties ("Dazio", around 3-4%, depending on > the kind of stuff (electronics, etc.)), neither VAT ("IVA") according to > the EU country importing the stuff. > From 22.01 to 150 ? no customs duties, only VAT > Over 150? value, both customs duties and VAT have to be applied. > I assume that "value" is real value + shipping (even if already paid in > the originating country) converted somehow to euros. > > Good luck :) > Fabio > IZ4AFW / IO4W / NZ1W > > Il 04.05.2015 21:23, F5vjc ha scritto: > > Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have > > to pay customs Tax? > > > > I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs > Tax, > > another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. > > > > I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my > breath... > > > > > > 73, Deni - F5VJC > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > > > > > --- > Questa e-mail ? stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast > antivirus. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From stewart at twinwood.me Mon May 4 17:05:57 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 22:05:57 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20155422557.066229@Shack> Yes, I have been held hostage for ?63.93 for UK Customs and Parcel Farce charges. They have failed (despite saying they have) contacted me re the delivery, so tomorrow I have to try and track my parcel and wrench it from their grasp ! Stewart G3RXQ On Mon, 4 May 2015 21:23:31 +0200, F5vjc wrote: > Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have > to pay customs Tax? > > I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs Tax, > another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. > > I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my breath... > > > 73, Deni - F5VJC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From ve3iay at storm.ca Mon May 4 17:17:34 2015 From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 17:17:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m Message-ID: <5547E1EE.5050801@storm.ca> My experience has been that the tuning noise is strongly affected by the positioning of the TMP cables, regardless of whether you have the old KSYN3's or the new KSYN3A's. I had heard some slight tuning noise on higher bands with the old KSYN3's, but only with no antenna connected, which is not a realistic test. After I put the new KSYN3A's in, at first I had much higher tuning noise (a buzz or rapid clicks when turning the tuning knob), but I opened up the rig and repositioned the TMP cables and since then the tuning noise has completely disappeared, even with no antenna connected. I do not have the VFO tuning noise reduction mod installed. As for the rapidly tuning birdies (the ones that can be eliminated with the CONFIG:SIG RMV option), I have not done a careful check. However, while they may appear at different places than they did before (perhaps that might be related to a reference oscillator adjustment), they do not seem to me to be any worse than they were with the old synth boards. 73, Rich VE3KI K3 #1595 From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:27:45 2015 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 16:27:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS loaded K3 In-Reply-To: <5546CCA7.8060707@gmail.com> References: <5546CCA7.8060707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5547E451.9050504@gmail.com> I sincerely hope I offend no one by posting this here. I have decided to sell one of my two K3. It turns out I have been enjoying my KX3 so much that I find one of the K3 is now surplus to my needs. It is serial # 1476 and DOES NOT HAVE the KSYN3AUPG installed in either the main or second receivers. What it does have: K3/100-F (K3 100W Xcvr. (Assembled)), K144XV-F (K3 Int. 2 M Module; Assm.), KAT3-F (K3 ATU), KRX3-F (K3 2nd RX), KBPF3 (2) (K3 Gen. Cov. RX module), KDVR3 (digital voice recorder), KFLA-2.8 (2), KFLA-400 (2), KFLA-6K (2), KFL3B-FM (1), KTCXO3-1, KXV3, MH2, PR6. This lists new at $5719.10; I am asking $4500.00 including insured shipping within continental US. Willing to negotiate, but no trades, no outside of US sales. Please reply off list if you are interested. Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon May 4 17:34:39 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A tuning noise on 40m In-Reply-To: <5547E1EE.5050801@storm.ca> References: <5547E1EE.5050801@storm.ca> Message-ID: <03137AF0-5BD0-425C-8544-CA165723D8A0@elecraft.com> The K3 has very high dynamic range, requiring a high-level local oscillator (the synth). One way to minimize spurs ("birdies") in a superhet design of this type is to include very narrow-band filtering, which we used throughout the radio. The ham-band filters are all just a bit wider than the ham bands themselves, there are multiple I.F. rejection traps, and there's a very narrow triple-tuned filter on the noise blanker. The other way to minimize spurs is to enclose every subassembly in its own shield and connect them when coax cables. While we use shielding where absolutely necessary, we tried to avoid extensive shielding because it would have dramatically increased the size, weight, and cost of the K3. Instead, we used careful PCB layout, just the right number of coax cables, and balanced low-pass filtering in the first mixer that rolls off the VHF and UHF synth harmonics. The combination of these techniques results in very few spurs within ham bands. Those spurs which persist are generally very low level, inaudible with any kind of antenna connected. For any "fast-tuning" (VFO harmonic-related) spurs that remain above the noise floor, we provided the CONFIG:SIG RMV menu entry -- a variation on spur-mapping that can be quite effective. It's not surprising that certain very low-level spurs would change in level with repositioning of the coax cables, since they typically arise from UHF harmonics of the VFO. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 4, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > My experience has been that the tuning noise is strongly affected by the positioning of the TMP cables, regardless of whether you have the old KSYN3's or the new KSYN3A's. > > I had heard some slight tuning noise on higher bands with the old KSYN3's, but only with no antenna connected, which is not a realistic test. After I put the new KSYN3A's in, at first I had much higher tuning noise (a buzz or rapid clicks when turning the tuning knob), but I opened up the rig and repositioned the TMP cables and since then the tuning noise has completely disappeared, even with no antenna connected. > > I do not have the VFO tuning noise reduction mod installed. > > As for the rapidly tuning birdies (the ones that can be eliminated with the CONFIG:SIG RMV option), I have not done a careful check. However, while they may appear at different places than they did before (perhaps that might be related to a reference oscillator adjustment), they do not seem to me to be any worse than they were with the old synth boards. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > K3 #1595 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From g1mhu at hotmail.com Mon May 4 17:36:27 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 22:36:27 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <20155422557.066229@Shack> References: <20155422557.066229@Shack> Message-ID: What customs charge are they trying to levy? Surely it is due for VAT only? Robin G1MHU From garymarklund at gmail.com Mon May 4 17:40:50 2015 From: garymarklund at gmail.com (Gary Marklund) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Loaded KX3 for sale Message-ID: The KX-3-2M module has been sold separately. I am re-listing this rig with revised content and price. I am offering my KX3 SN 4XX with the following options for sale. KX3 - Kit KXPD3 Paddle MH3 Microphone KXAT3 Internal 20W ATU KXFL-3 Roofing Filter KXBC3 Internal Battery Charger with internal clock KX3-PCKT Connection cable package BNC Right Angle antenna connector DC connector has Anderson Power Poles attached to power cable I performed the Long Term Frequency Stability Procedure The paddle upgrade has been installed Speaker enhancement procedures have been performed Includes all manuals Fred Cady KX3 Book, full size The rig has virtually no transmit time on it and has been primarily used for JT-65 monitoring. $1000 including shipping within the U.S. via USPS Priority Mail with full insurance. Please inquire regarding international shipping. Payment via PayPal or United States Postal Money Order only. Please reply off list. Thank you, Gary Marklund From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon May 4 18:24:30 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 00:24:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5547F19E.8030209@xs4all.nl> Deni, I payed the cost for customs clearance ( = EUR 13) plus the VAT. 73 Arie PA3A F5vjc schreef op 4-5-2015 om 21:23: > Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have > to pay customs Tax? > > From phils at riousa.com Mon May 4 20:41:46 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 17:41:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net results from May 3, 2015 In-Reply-To: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> References: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> Message-ID: Propagation was weak, and we had a light net with 15 participants. Did I get Whit?s call correct (KC7LNZ)? Here is the list of stations: CALL NAME QTH RIG N6JW John CA K3 936 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 KC9USB Robert IL K3 4460 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP KC7LNZ Whit WA KX3 6549 W0SGM Scott IA K3 8898 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP WB0SEQ Jack IA FT450 K7BRR Bill AZ KX3 5545 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From fptownsend at earthlink.net Mon May 4 21:43:45 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 18:43:45 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Message-ID: <19256931.1430790226299.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> As a Yank I have no idea how repairs are treated in terms of VAT and customs but I wonder if sending the K3 to the European repair center for 'repairs' would rank in costs. >From afar, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Robin Moseley >Sent: May 4, 2015 2:36 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? > >What customs charge are they trying to levy? Surely it is due for VAT only? > >Robin G1MHU > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From w6jhb at me.com Mon May 4 23:57:37 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 20:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 Message-ID: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> The situation: I've got an 88 foot long doublet at 45 feet, fed with 110 feet of ladder line, a 4:1 balun, and six feet of RG8-X connected to ANT1. Also got a Hustler 6BTV mounted on the ground in the back yard with 75 feet of RG8 running to the ANT2 connector. When running the K3 on low power I have no problem using diversity mode. However, when the power is increased, the internal relays start chattering in the K3. I understand that this the K3's way of protecting itself from too much RF on ANT2 - it temporarily disconnects ANT2. The amount of K3 output needed to cause the relay chatter depends on the band I'm on. Sometimes 20 watts will do it, other times I'm good at 100 watts - depends on the band. When I turn on the KPA500 it'll chatter on EVERY band. Obviously it's because the vertical (ANT2) is less than 50 feet from the doublet - I get that. My question(s) - can I assume that this relay chatter is not good, that it will cause problems if I continue running QRO in diversity mode? If this in fact is a bad thing, how do others run QRO and diversity? Are there devices on the market that can be put in the ANT2 line that can handle the RF? I could do it with a manual coax switch but that kinda puts a crimp in QSK operating. Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA From david at aslinvc.com Tue May 5 03:08:14 2015 From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 00:08:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may not always be applied correctly. So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. Unavoidable, mate! 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-New-Synth-boards-in-Eu-tp7602147p7602161.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue May 5 03:21:53 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 23:21:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters Message-ID: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Old topic (getting caught up on my e-mail since being on 12-day vacation): I have been using my K3/10 since 2010 on 630m (have both KXV3 and KBPF3 installed). TEST mode allows transmission thru transverter I/F at 0.1-1.5mw and reception down to 490-KHz with original SYNTH. I use my K3 to drive a surplus NDB transmitter at 0.1mw in place of the xtal osc section to get 100w output. I use a 43-foot by 122-foot inverted-L with short ground radials to achieve about 3w ERP. Furthest reception of my CW has been Buffalo, NY. I have received signals from Oregon and BC here in grid BP40 (Alaska). The new SYNTH will enable use to 472-KHz/478-KHz which is the proposed band for ham use. I am authorized to transmit thru license with WD2XSH/45 (ARRL Experimental Group). I use either my K3 or a SDR-IQ as Rx on 630m achieving down to -115 dBm reception (lowest noise floor using the Inv-L). I have run both CW and WSPR. Antenna currently down by wind breakage (minor). I support my inv-L by two 50-foot towers separated 130-foot apart. My signal is received 70-mi away at 35 dB SNR by ground-wave 24/7/365. Ground wave appears to be solid out to 250mi. Sky wave is night-time prop and best in winter when atmospheric static is lowest. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue May 5 03:42:22 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 23:42:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dramatic improvement in K3 RX sensitivity below 500 kHz -- looking for testers Message-ID: <201505050742.t457gNGW016450@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Wayne and all: Sky noise using a 630m inverted-L is -120 dBm at best and more often -115 dBm so K3 Rx is satisfactory at 630m with stock KBPF3. I also use a SDR-IQ that has a MDS of -132 dBm which measures -115 dBm noise floor from the inverted-L. Use of Beverage antennas or Loop antennas can provide lower noise floors depending on your location (southern latitudes are noisier due to lightening activity). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Tue May 5 03:43:22 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 08:43:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> Remember VAT (in UK) is charged on the value PLUS the postage costs so if you paid for an expensive shipping option you get bitten twice! There is a low threshold below which no extra costs. The extra costs on a load of Elecraft kit a couple years back (for me and a couple others) when $/? was good too was cheap enough to push the equation to being able to pay for the Dayton air fare just to collect the kit and pay the OHIO sales tax. There is qrpproject.de for Elecraft kit in EU along with lots of other vendors but not always cheaper but you need to add in the exchange rate and postage if trying to compare prices. 72 Dom M1KTA On 05/05/15 08:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: > Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the > boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to > 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. > In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that > is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may > not always be applied correctly. > So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. > Unavoidable, mate! > 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) > From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Tue May 5 03:48:17 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:48:17 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Ok, thanks to all who responded, it's possible the charges are correct. I guess I may have over reacted to the doorstep demand of an additional 96 Euros, I paid it of course :) It just surprised me as I was thinking there was an exemption code applied by Elecraft for supply of "Parts, Radio Telegraphic Apparatus-No aircraft" and there is also a code indicated on the paperwork AES/TN Exemption NOEEI 30.37(a). exactly what this means I have no idea. Hope to fit the new boards today :) 73, Deni - F5VJC On 5 May 2015 at 09:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: > Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the > boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to > 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. > In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that > is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may > not always be applied correctly. > So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. > Unavoidable, mate! > 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-New-Synth-boards-in-Eu-tp7602147p7602161.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Tue May 5 03:49:51 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 07:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Dominic, To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Dominic Baines ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?5? (??) 3:43 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Remember VAT (in UK) is charged on the value PLUS the postage costs so if you paid for an expensive shipping? option you get bitten twice! There is a low threshold below which no extra costs. The extra costs on a load of Elecraft kit a couple years back (for me and a couple others) when $/? was good too was cheap enough to push the equation to being able to pay for the Dayton air fare just to collect the kit and pay the OHIO sales tax. There is qrpproject.de for Elecraft kit in EU along with lots of other vendors but not always cheaper but you need to add in the exchange rate and postage if trying to compare prices. 72 Dom M1KTA On 05/05/15 08:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: > Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the > boards and shipping cost.? In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to > 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. > In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that > is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may > not always be applied correctly. > So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. > Unavoidable, mate! > 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue May 5 04:40:49 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 11:40:49 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> Message-ID: <55488211.60402@gmail.com> Yes, it's not good to operate with the protective relay clicking. However, I think the separation between a vertical and horizontal antenna should be adequate. I suspect at least part of the problem is that there is RF flowing on the coax to the Hustler. It would be worth trying a choke either at the base of the Hustler, on its feedline at the shack entrance, or in both places. DX Engineering makes a well-regarded receiver protection device, but you can't transmit through it. You would have to make one of your antennas receive only. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 5 May 2015 06:57, James Bennett wrote: > The situation: I've got an 88 foot long doublet at 45 feet, fed with > 110 feet of ladder line, a 4:1 balun, and six feet of RG8-X connected > to ANT1. Also got a Hustler 6BTV mounted on the ground in the back > yard with 75 feet of RG8 running to the ANT2 connector. > > When running the K3 on low power I have no problem using diversity > mode. However, when the power is increased, the internal relays start > chattering in the K3. I understand that this the K3's way of > protecting itself from too much RF on ANT2 - it temporarily > disconnects ANT2. The amount of K3 output needed to cause the relay > chatter depends on the band I'm on. Sometimes 20 watts will do it, > other times I'm good at 100 watts - depends on the band. When I turn > on the KPA500 it'll chatter on EVERY band. Obviously it's because the > vertical (ANT2) is less than 50 feet from the doublet - I get that. > > My question(s) - can I assume that this relay chatter is not good, > that it will cause problems if I continue running QRO in diversity > mode? > > If this in fact is a bad thing, how do others run QRO and diversity? > Are there devices on the market that can be put in the ANT2 line that > can handle the RF? I could do it with a manual coax switch but that > kinda puts a crimp in QSK operating. > > Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2vco.vic at gmail.com > From clive at thelortons.co.uk Tue May 5 05:06:31 2015 From: clive at thelortons.co.uk (Clive Lorton) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 10:06:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55488817.3070602@thelortons.co.uk> Hi Johnny, Answer Yes. it goes on value. Clive G8POC On 05/05/2015 08:49, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Dominic, > To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? > If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Dominic Baines > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?05?5? (??) 3:43 PM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? > > Remember VAT (in UK) is charged on the value PLUS the postage costs so > if you paid for an expensive shipping option you get bitten twice! > > There is a low threshold below which no extra costs. > > The extra costs on a load of Elecraft kit a couple years back (for me > and a couple others) when $/? was good too was cheap enough to push the > equation to being able to pay for the Dayton air fare just to collect > the kit and pay the OHIO sales tax. > > There is qrpproject.de for Elecraft kit in EU along with lots of other > vendors but not always cheaper but you need to add in the exchange rate > and postage if trying to compare prices. > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > > > On 05/05/15 08:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: >> Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the >> boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to >> 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. >> In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that >> is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may >> not always be applied correctly. >> So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. >> Unavoidable, mate! >> 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to clive at thelortons.co.uk From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue May 5 06:18:33 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 20:18:33 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <55488817.3070602@thelortons.co.uk> References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55488817.3070602@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: Gee whiz guys....i aint never going to complain about OzPost again. Well at least till i order from Elecraft... :-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 05/05/2015 7:07 PM, "Clive Lorton" wrote: > Hi Johnny, > Answer Yes. it goes on value. > Clive G8POC > > On 05/05/2015 08:49, Johnny Siu wrote: > >> Hello Dominic, >> To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used >> electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? >> If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and >> send it you which is theoretically second hand product. >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC >> ???? Dominic Baines >> ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> ????? 2015?05?5? (??) 3:43 PM >> ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? >> Remember VAT (in UK) is charged on the value PLUS the postage costs so >> if you paid for an expensive shipping option you get bitten twice! >> >> There is a low threshold below which no extra costs. >> >> The extra costs on a load of Elecraft kit a couple years back (for me >> and a couple others) when $/? was good too was cheap enough to push the >> equation to being able to pay for the Dayton air fare just to collect >> the kit and pay the OHIO sales tax. >> >> There is qrpproject.de for Elecraft kit in EU along with lots of other >> vendors but not always cheaper but you need to add in the exchange rate >> and postage if trying to compare prices. >> >> 72 >> >> Dom >> M1KTA >> >> >> >> On 05/05/15 08:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: >> >>> Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the >>> boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up >>> to >>> 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. >>> In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if >>> that >>> is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it >>> may >>> not always be applied correctly. >>> So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. >>> Unavoidable, mate! >>> 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to clive at thelortons.co.uk >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Tue May 5 07:36:11 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 12:36:11 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apart from probably being illegal, it would be possible to down-value the goods, but then if they are of any value, you'd have to declare it or risk uninsured shipping. I don't think that Customs care too much about the condition of the goods, only the value. This makes life difficult when returning a high value item for repair. The problem is that it is still high value although the tax has been paid once on that value. In that case, you might be able to declare that the goods are classed as used and appeal to Customs to not apply purchase taxes. You would probably still have to pay VAT on the shipping charges. :-( ISTM that we need definitive answers from the relevant customs authorities. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Siu Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:49 AM To: Dominic Baines ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Hello Dominic, To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Tue May 5 07:57:10 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 12:57:10 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <20155422557.066229@Shack> References: <20155422557.066229@Shack> Message-ID: One solution would be to return the old Synth boards to Elecraft and have the new ones sent as Replacements. There would then be no charge of VAT for the either the boards or the shipping. The only problem is that the K3 would be out of commission until the 'replacements' arrive. This has certainly put me off ordering the KSYN3A until the matter is resolved satisfactorily. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Stewart writes >Yes, I have been held hostage for ?63.93 for UK Customs and Parcel Farce >charges. > >They have failed (despite saying they have) contacted me re the delivery, so >tomorrow I have to try and track my parcel and wrench it from their grasp ! > >Stewart G3RXQ > >On Mon, 4 May 2015 21:23:31 +0200, F5vjc wrote: >> Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have >> to pay customs Tax? >> >> I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs Tax, >> another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. >> >> I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my breath... -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From G0ORH at sky.com Tue May 5 07:59:56 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 12:59:56 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not the case!! I've had the pleasure of returning my K3 back to the factory for adjustment. I had the returns form, and proof of purchase form, some weeks later it was delivered by...........Parcel Force, and........No Charge!!! Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 5 May 2015, at 12:36, G4GNX wrote: > > Apart from probably being illegal, it would be possible to down-value the goods, but then if they are of any value, you'd have to declare it or risk uninsured shipping. > > I don't think that Customs care too much about the condition of the goods, only the value. This makes life difficult when returning a high value item for repair. The problem is that it is still high value although the tax has been paid once on that value. In that case, you might be able to declare that the goods are classed as used and appeal to Customs to not apply purchase taxes. You would probably still have to pay VAT on the shipping charges. :-( > > ISTM that we need definitive answers from the relevant customs authorities. > > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Siu > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:49 AM > To: Dominic Baines ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? > > Hello Dominic, > To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? > If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From G0ORH at sky.com Tue May 5 08:02:05 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 13:02:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: <20155422557.066229@Shack> Message-ID: Waters and Stanton have them in stock! Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 5 May 2015, at 12:57, David G4DMP wrote: > > One solution would be to return the old Synth boards to Elecraft and > have the new ones sent as Replacements. There would then be no charge of > VAT for the either the boards or the shipping. The only problem is that > the K3 would be out of commission until the 'replacements' arrive. > > This has certainly put me off ordering the KSYN3A until the matter is > resolved satisfactorily. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > In a recent message, Stewart writes >> Yes, I have been held hostage for ?63.93 for UK Customs and Parcel Farce >> charges. >> >> They have failed (despite saying they have) contacted me re the delivery, so >> tomorrow I have to try and track my parcel and wrench it from their grasp ! >> >> Stewart G3RXQ >> >>> On Mon, 4 May 2015 21:23:31 +0200, F5vjc wrote: >>> Anyone in Europe ordered the new synth boards from Elecraft? Did you have >>> to pay customs Tax? >>> >>> I've just received mine today in France, but was clobbered for Customs Tax, >>> another 96 Euros (about 107USD) on top. >>> >>> I've queried this by email with French customs but not holding my breath... > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From f6dex at yahoo.fr Tue May 5 08:04:51 2015 From: f6dex at yahoo.fr (Laurent F6DEX) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 05:04:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1430827491707-7602174.post@n2.nabble.com> HI Denis The exemption code (TARIC code 8525 20 99) works and allows you an exemption of the additional custom fees but does not exempt from VAT... Elecraft is aware of that code and it should be on the papers. Le code TARIC permet d'?viter les droits de douane mais pas la TVA ! En principe Elecraft connait ce code et il se trouve sur les papiers d?claratifs. Je n'ai jamais pay? les droits de douane avec du mat?riel Elecraft, mais la TVA, si ... 73, Laurent F6DEX ----- Laurent F6DEX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-New-Synth-boards-in-Eu-tp7602147p7602174.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 5 08:30:16 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 12:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> Message-ID: <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Here is something I did out of curiosity... I hooked my RX antenna to the input of a wattmeter and the output of the wattmeter into a dummy load. I then then observed how much power was being sent back to me through the RX antenna. It may not be accurate, but it was enough for me to install a front end protector. (I got an AS_RXFEP from Array Solutions) From: James Bennett To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 11:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 The situation: I've got an 88 foot long doublet at 45 feet, fed with 110 feet of ladder line, a 4:1 balun, and six feet of RG8-X connected to ANT1. Also got a Hustler 6BTV mounted on the ground in the back yard with 75 feet of RG8 running to the ANT2 connector. When running the K3 on low power I have no problem using diversity mode. However, when the power is increased, the internal relays start chattering in the K3. I understand that this the K3's way of protecting itself from too much RF on ANT2 - it temporarily disconnects ANT2. The amount of K3 output needed to cause the relay chatter depends on the band I'm on. Sometimes 20 watts will do it, other times I'm good at 100 watts - depends on the band. When I turn on the KPA500 it'll chatter on EVERY band. Obviously it's because the vertical (ANT2) is less than 50 feet from the doublet - I get that. My question(s) - can I assume that this relay chatter is not good, that it will cause problems if I continue running QRO in diversity mode? If this in fact is a bad thing, how do others run QRO and diversity? Are there devices on the market that can be put in the ANT2 line that can handle the RF? I could do it with a manual coax switch but that kinda puts a crimp in QSK operating. Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From pincon at erols.com Tue May 5 08:38:39 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 08:38:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66B115ECF0A945C1BC0268633E640832@pinnacle05df05> Another possibility is to wire a small "grain-of-wheat" bulb across the intended Rx antenna. If it lights, you're probably in trouble and need some extra protection. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "James Bennett" ; "Elecraft Reflector Reflector" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 > Here is something I did out of curiosity... > > I hooked my RX antenna to the input of a wattmeter and the output of the > wattmeter into a dummy load. > I then then observed how much power was being sent back to me through the > RX antenna. > > It may not be accurate, but it was enough for me to install a front end > protector. (I got an AS_RXFEP from Array Solutions) > > > From jvandrey at gmail.com Tue May 5 09:51:12 2015 From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 08:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away Message-ID: So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? Curious minds want to know! From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue May 5 11:41:58 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 11:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away Message-ID: <0npcj028d44s3arnfem26jvn.1430840518690@email.android.com> I hope so. ..... Harlan?NC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Jobst Vandrey Date: 05/05/2015 9:51 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? Curious minds want to know! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From jbollit at outlook.com Tue May 5 12:29:27 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: <55488817.3070602@thelortons.co.uk> References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55488817.3070602@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: Isn't surplus and used equipment valued much lower? Hams give away surplus equipment all the time. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clive Lorton Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 2:07 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Hi Johnny, Answer Yes. it goes on value. Clive G8POC On 05/05/2015 08:49, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Dominic, > To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? > If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Dominic Baines > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?05?5? (??) 3:43 PM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? > > Remember VAT (in UK) is charged on the value PLUS the postage costs so > if you paid for an expensive shipping option you get bitten twice! > > There is a low threshold below which no extra costs. > > The extra costs on a load of Elecraft kit a couple years back (for me > and a couple others) when $/? was good too was cheap enough to push > the equation to being able to pay for the Dayton air fare just to > collect the kit and pay the OHIO sales tax. > > There is qrpproject.de for Elecraft kit in EU along with lots of other > vendors but not always cheaper but you need to add in the exchange > rate and postage if trying to compare prices. > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > > > On 05/05/15 08:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: >> Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on >> the boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay >> Parcelfarce up to >> 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. >> In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure >> if that is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide >> rule - but it may not always be applied correctly. >> So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. >> Unavoidable, mate! >> 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > clive at thelortons.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k0az at centurytel.net Tue May 5 12:30:01 2015 From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 11:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XV50 Sold Message-ID: <000101d08750$bd08d330$371a7990$@centurytel.net> Thanks All, The XV50 has been sold. 73 ? GOD BLESS AMERICA K?AZ Mike Sanders EM37cd www.k0az.com SouthWest Missouri ? From jbollit at outlook.com Tue May 5 12:31:57 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:31:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: <5548749A.5030500@ntlworld.com> <1584383521.181216.1430812191179.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One mans valued prize is another's junk, with little or no value. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Apart from probably being illegal, it would be possible to down-value the goods, but then if they are of any value, you'd have to declare it or risk uninsured shipping. I don't think that Customs care too much about the condition of the goods, only the value. This makes life difficult when returning a high value item for repair. The problem is that it is still high value although the tax has been paid once on that value. In that case, you might be able to declare that the goods are classed as used and appeal to Customs to not apply purchase taxes. You would probably still have to pay VAT on the shipping charges. :-( ISTM that we need definitive answers from the relevant customs authorities. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Siu Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 8:49 AM To: Dominic Baines ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? Hello Dominic, To my curiosity, if the KSYNA board were declared as second hand used electronic parts, would this also attract VAT? If the answer is negative, you can then ask a friend in US to buy and send it you which is theoretically second hand product. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From aar6ea at gmail.com Tue May 5 13:16:46 2015 From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 11:16:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick question on HTs to use with my KX3 Message-ID: I know this question doesn't directly pertain to the KX3 but I trust the guidance of many on this mailing list so I hope you will indulge me in this off topic post. I am looking to combine satellite (easy sats) with my portable KX3 fun. I am therefore wanting to solicit advice on the best handheld radio for working satellites or at least directions to a similar group or email list to get advice. Thanks and have a great day! Mark From bbaines at mac.com Tue May 5 13:50:27 2015 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 13:50:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick question on HTs to use with my KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B192428-2FD7-43ED-881B-02F22E37E9C2@mac.com> Mark: A good starting point on operating hints for the ?easy sats? can be found on the AMSAT Website. See: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2144 This page is titled ?Station and Operating Hints? and includes references to various HTs. There is also a link embedded in that page that will bring up an operating guide developed by Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK. You?ll glean some useful information about using an HT with an external antenna of various types. Most current generation HTs with dual-band capability can be used; best is to have one with duplex capability so that you can listen to your downlink as you transmit. The Kenwood TH-D72A has this capability. Patrick notes this in his writeup and mentions various HTs. Some older units are also very good; my personal preference is the Yaesu FT-51R which is duplex but also features an external mic that displays frequencies with the ability to change stored channels or VFO frequencies using buttons on the mic. Check out the AMSAT website for developments regarding the upcoming launches of Fox-1A and Fox-1C which are FM birds flying later this year? Are you coming to Dayton? AMSAT will have a major presence at Hamvention, including satellite demos taking place outside of the Ball Arena. Stop by the AMSAT booth area (Ball Arena booths 433-435 and 444-446 across one another) for satellite pass times and take a look at the newly revised 2015 edition of ?Getting Started with Amateur Satellites? which provides a complete overview of how to operate a variety of satellites along with discussion of tracking, equipment setup, operational considerations, etc. The book will also be available through the AMSAT Store following Dayton. The AMSAT Forum is Saturday from 1115-1330 in Forum Room 5. 73, Barry Baines, WD4ASW President-Radio Amateur Satellite Corp. (AMSAT) > On May 5, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Mark Tellez wrote: > > I know this question doesn't directly pertain to the KX3 but I trust the > guidance of many on this mailing list so I hope you will indulge me in this > off topic post. I am looking to combine satellite (easy sats) with my > portable KX3 fun. I am therefore wanting to solicit advice on the best > handheld radio for working satellites or at least directions to a similar > group or email list to get advice. > > Thanks and have a great day! > > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 5 15:11:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: <0npcj028d44s3arnfem26jvn.1430840518690@email.android.com> References: <0npcj028d44s3arnfem26jvn.1430840518690@email.android.com> Message-ID: <955990639.553480.1430853067277.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I got tired of waiting.... So I bought a KX3 :p I'm running out of stuff to buy From: hsherriff To: Jobst Vandrey ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away ? ? I hope so. ..... Harlan?NC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Jobst Vandrey Date: 05/05/2015? 9:51 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? Curious minds want to know! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 5 15:54:44 2015 From: tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net (Terry) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 14:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 New Synth boards in Eu? In-Reply-To: References: <1430809694558-7602161.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55492004.6040102@sbcglobal.net> What does work is sending that kind of stuff as a "gift." It has worked well for me while having relatives/friends living in the UK. There was never any extra charges. However, the charges on things prior to discovering that were about the same as the value of the contents. One of the grandkids is a ham and things I sent him have never been questioned or has a VAT been applied. I never sent any of them a K3 either. 73, Terry, KQ5U On 5/5/2015 2:48 AM, F5vjc wrote: > Ok, thanks to all who responded, it's possible the charges are correct. > I guess I may have over reacted to the doorstep demand of an additional 96 > Euros, I paid it of course :) > It just surprised me as I was thinking there was an exemption code applied > by Elecraft for supply of "Parts, Radio Telegraphic Apparatus-No aircraft" > and there is also a code indicated on the paperwork AES/TN Exemption NOEEI > 30.37(a). exactly what this means I have no idea. > > Hope to fit the new boards today :) > > 73, Deni - F5VJC > > > > On 5 May 2015 at 09:08, Dave G3WGN M6O wrote: > >> Deni, that charge sounds like the expected VAT - which is charged on the >> boards and shipping cost. In the UK we also have to pay Parcelfarce up to >> 18 quid admin fee for doing the customs clearance. >> In the UK amateur radio items do not attract customs duty, not sure if that >> is also true in France, but I believe it to be an EU-wide rule - but it may >> not always be applied correctly. >> So I think your charge is only (!) VAT and maybe a clearance charge. >> Unavoidable, mate! >> 73 David currently F/G3WGN (Dept 81) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-New-Synth-boards-in-Eu-tp7602147p7602161.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tmyers1031 at sbcglobal.net > From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 5 15:58:14 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 12:58:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76113DE0-FD33-4054-8F71-B04B675687BD@elecraft.com> yup! Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 5, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: > > So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? > > Curious minds want to know! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From K2TK at ptd.net Tue May 5 16:38:07 2015 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 16:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: <76113DE0-FD33-4054-8F71-B04B675687BD@elecraft.com> References: <76113DE0-FD33-4054-8F71-B04B675687BD@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <55492A2F.1010104@ptd.net> And for those of us who can not be there but do drink the Elecraft Kool Aid how do we order sight unseen to be in the first batch? Can we call 1st show date at 9a Pacific tine to place it..... ( Consider putting on extra staff, Hi Hi) 73, to my last hollow state device a Heath SB610 and hello to a foot of desk space gained. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 5/5/2015 3:58 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > yup! > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > >> On May 5, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: >> >> So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? >> >> Curious minds want to know! From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 5 17:30:29 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 14:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> Many years ago, when 600 meters was the world's party line, ground wave was usable out to maybe 700-750 nm [around 800 sm]. Ships ran 200 - 500 watts usually and were somewhat antenna restricted for that frequency. Conversely, we ran 5 KW to very large, efficient antennas, and we had the advantage of great Beverages for receiving. Of course, that was essentially a 100% sea water path too. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/5/2015 12:21 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Antenna currently down by wind breakage (minor). I support my inv-L by > two 50-foot towers separated 130-foot apart. My signal is received > 70-mi away at 35 dB SNR by ground-wave 24/7/365. Ground wave appears to > be solid out to 250mi. Sky wave is night-time prop and best in winter > when atmospheric static is lowest. From pincon at erols.com Tue May 5 17:52:43 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 17:52:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away References: <0npcj028d44s3arnfem26jvn.1430840518690@email.android.com> <955990639.553480.1430853067277.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We'd make a good pair since I've run out of money ! 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away >I got tired of waiting.... So I bought a KX3 :p > > I'm running out of stuff to buy > > > > > > From: hsherriff > To: Jobst Vandrey ; Elecraft Reflector > > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away > > > > I hope so. ..... > Harlan NC3C > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jobst Vandrey > Date: 05/05/2015 9:51 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away > > So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? > > Curious minds want to know! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From jpk5lad at cox.net Tue May 5 20:00:47 2015 From: jpk5lad at cox.net (jpk5lad at cox.net) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 19:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware question Message-ID: <554959AF.23236.E555B2@jpk5lad.cox.net> I updated my KX3 firmware today and discovered something that seems a bit strange. Previously, from KX3 Utility Revision 1.13.8.24, when I choose "Copy New Files from Elecraft" it places them on my Win7 Pro/64bit machine at: C:/Users/Jim - K5LAD/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/KX3Firmware/fmcu0### For the two previous times I installed the KX3 firmware, it created a folder (all beginning as /fmcu0###): fmcu0227 = MCU 02.27 fmcu0230 = MCU 02.30 but when I installed the most recent version, it installed the MCU version (02.33) but created the folder for it as /fmcu0300,i.e., /fmcu0300 = MCU 02.33. Since this is a departure from the previous KX3 firmware installations, I'm curious if this is a change or an ooops? 73, Jim - K5LAD =============================== Life is like a football --- It ain't round ... It'll bounce funny on ya. http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From edauer at law.du.edu Tue May 5 20:04:00 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 00:04:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA-100 Build Message-ID: Just ordered the KXPA-100 kit with the KXAT-100, SS30DV power supply, cables, etc, for use with existing KX3/PX3 (and indoor Buddipole). Any suggestions about the build or the setup that wouldn't be obvious either in the manual or otherwise? Thanks, for any replies, either on-list or off. Ted, KN1CBR From edauer at law.du.edu Tue May 5 20:26:46 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 00:26:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Harry ? Take up flying. No end to the shopping lists, and see what "velocity of money" really means. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 20 >Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) >From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away >Message-ID: > <955990639.553480.1430853067277.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >I got tired of waiting.... So I bought a KX3 :p > >I'm running out of stuff to buy > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 5 21:26:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 01:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1229588644.820206.1430875564880.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Na, no need fro another money pit......?I'm already into Reef aquariums ;) This has just been a good year with lots of Overtime, so it's been nice to be able to buy some toys From: "Dauer, Edward" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:26 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away Harry ? Take up flying.? No end to the shopping lists, and see what "velocity of money" really means. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 20 >Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) >From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away >Message-ID: >??? <955990639.553480.1430853067277.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >I got tired of waiting.... So I bought a KX3 :p > >I'm running out of stuff to buy > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 5 21:27:50 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 01:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA-100 Build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1240119154.788516.1430875671036.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Take your time, and read the manual thoroughly before assembly. I typically download the manual and read it cover to cover before the item arrives. From: "Dauer, Edward" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:04 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA-100 Build Just ordered the KXPA-100 kit with the KXAT-100, SS30DV power supply, cables, etc, for use with existing KX3/PX3 (and indoor Buddipole).? Any suggestions about the build or the setup that wouldn't be obvious either in the manual or otherwise? Thanks, for any replies, either on-list or off. Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 5 22:34:19 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 19:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT MF WSPR Message-ID: <55497DAB.4080304@foothill.net> I've been unable to log into the WSPRNet ... not sure why but I decode the same stations on 474.2 KHz over and over each night, and upload them to the DB. Should I be doing this? It seems like I'm just clogging up the database, but maybe someone is mining these data? I'm really new to the WSPR community, maybe some off-line advice? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From kv6o at kv6o.com Tue May 5 22:44:03 2015 From: kv6o at kv6o.com (KV6O) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 19:44:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Message-ID: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> I have searched, and can't find a definitive answer on this. I am running a lot of JT9 and JT65 these days, and the DATA-A mode seems to be limited to 4k max. I have the 6k, 2.8k, 1.8k and a 250Hz, all 8-pole filters installed. The 6k filter is selected in the the config utility to be avail in data mode, but I can never widen up the passband beyond 4k. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! Steve KV6O -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Tue May 5 22:57:33 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 22:57:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> > Am I doing something wrong? No, the audio DSP has a maximum audio frequency of 4200 Hz. The widest bandwidth you will see in SSB or DATA A is 4 KHz (200 - 4200 Hz). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-05 10:44 PM, KV6O wrote: > I have searched, and can't find a definitive answer on this. > > I am running a lot of JT9 and JT65 these days, and the DATA-A mode seems to > be limited to 4k max. I have the 6k, 2.8k, 1.8k and a 250Hz, all 8-pole > filters installed. The 6k filter is selected in the the config utility to > be avail in data mode, but I can never widen up the passband beyond 4k. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Thanks! > > Steve > KV6O > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue May 5 23:00:31 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 13:00:31 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA-100 Build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5DDCCDFB-9FAA-4C3E-83FA-C78CC6F2C2E7@gmail.com> Check for any errata sheets -- I discovered some "missing parts" in my kit, only to find out there was an errata sheet explaining that those parts were no longer needed for the latest kits. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2015-maj-06, at 10:04, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Just ordered the KXPA-100 kit with the KXAT-100, SS30DV power supply, cables, etc, for use with existing KX3/PX3 (and indoor Buddipole). Any suggestions about the build or the setup that wouldn't be obvious either in the manual or otherwise? > > Thanks, for any replies, either on-list or off. > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Tue May 5 23:29:05 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 23:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away In-Reply-To: <55492A2F.1010104@ptd.net> References: <76113DE0-FD33-4054-8F71-B04B675687BD@elecraft.com> <55492A2F.1010104@ptd.net> Message-ID: <010e01d087ac$d3acdb70$7b069250$@gamewood.net> Come see me in flea market space 3106 and let's speak Elecraft! 73 de ken ke4rg When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:38 PM To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton is only a few days away And for those of us who can not be there but do drink the Elecraft Kool Aid how do we order sight unseen to be in the first batch? Can we call 1st show date at 9a Pacific tine to place it..... ( Consider putting on extra staff, Hi Hi) 73, to my last hollow state device a Heath SB610 and hello to a foot of desk space gained. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 5/5/2015 3:58 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > yup! > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > >> On May 5, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: >> >> So...will we finally meet the P3 sensor there in person??? >> >> Curious minds want to know! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From kv6o at kv6o.com Tue May 5 23:30:43 2015 From: kv6o at kv6o.com (KV6O) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 20:30:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> Message-ID: <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, sure would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't need DSP for these modes.... Thanks, Steve KV6O -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue May 5 23:44:14 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 23:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes with a KX3 and a Mac Message-ID: So, I'm wanting to get my feet wet with some digital modes (mainly PSK31 and RTTY right now). I have the KXPKT cable set and a Logitech USB sound card. Now what? I already have FLDigi. I connected everything up once and got diddly, so I don't know what I did wrong (Also, if it's any help, if I tune in a CW signal, I get nothing out of the terminal tab in the KX3 Utility.) No clue why either... Any suggestions? 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3 # 7480 NAQCC # 7704 OMISS # 9948 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed May 6 00:07:36 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 21:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> I can't think of a good reason - everyone else is stuck with 2.8-4 kHz bandwidth, all the activity is pretty much within 2.8 kHz bandwidth, so you would be talking to yourself. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,5/5/2015 8:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, sure > would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't need DSP for > these modes.... > > Thanks, > > Steve > KV6O > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From faustocoletti at alice.it Wed May 6 03:00:01 2015 From: faustocoletti at alice.it (Fausto Coletti) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 09:00:01 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> Message-ID: <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto> Hi Fred, Here in Europe on 630m, we often did groundwave QSO of 600-800 Km in the middle of day and the whole route is over the ground, not over sea water with strong and stable signal. Normally QSO between northern Germany and the central and southern Italy During the night there may be a deep QSB due phase sum of groundwave and skywave especially at distances around 600-800 Km. At distances below these prevails ground wave component, at greater distances prevails skywave. I have not experience of groundwave QSO over the sea water, probably the efficiency is better than over the ground. Here a video of groundwave reception: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sdXjyfibz8 Of course the signal is better during the night via skywave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLkclDrrvOg The distance between I and Stefan is about 600 Km. 73, Fausto IK4NMF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Jensen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters > Many years ago, when 600 meters was the world's party line, ground wave > was usable out to maybe 700-750 nm [around 800 sm]. Ships ran 200 - 500 > watts usually and were somewhat antenna restricted for that frequency. > Conversely, we ran 5 KW to very large, efficient antennas, and we had the > advantage of great Beverages for receiving. > > Of course, that was essentially a 100% sea water path too. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 5/5/2015 12:21 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> Antenna currently down by wind breakage (minor). I support my inv-L by >> two 50-foot towers separated 130-foot apart. My signal is received >> 70-mi away at 35 dB SNR by ground-wave 24/7/365. Ground wave appears to >> be solid out to 250mi. Sky wave is night-time prop and best in winter >> when atmospheric static is lowest. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to faustocoletti at alice.it > > > ----- > Nessun virus nel messaggio. > Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com > Versione: 2015.0.5941 / Database dei virus: 4339/9700 - Data di rilascio: > 05/05/2015 > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Wed May 6 06:33:44 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 05:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes with a KX3 and a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On May 5, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > So, I'm wanting to get my feet wet with some digital modes (mainly PSK31 > and RTTY right now). I have the KXPKT cable set and a Logitech USB sound > card. Now what? Since you?re using Fldigi, I recommend joining this group and asking questions: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/linuxham/info Be prepared to have already read the Fldigi help file located here: http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.22/index.html ; otherwise, you?ll get some RTFM?s. ;) > > I already have FLDigi. I connected everything up once and got diddly, so I > don't know what I did wrong (Also, if it's any help, if I tune in a CW > signal, I get nothing out of the terminal tab in the KX3 Utility.) No clue > why either? Can you program the KX3 with the KX3 Utility? If not, sounds like either a baud rate selection mis-match or you?re on the wrong port. Sorry for the short answers but more information is needed and I need to get ready for work. 73, Joel - W4JBB From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed May 6 07:42:04 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 07:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes with a KX3 and a Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5549FE0C.5030101@embarqmail.com> Joshua, Start out taking it one step at a time. Receive first -- All you need to receive data modes is to connect the KX3 headphone jack to the soundcard line in. Fldigi should show you some signals. Configure the soundcard Line In level as well as adjust the KX3 AF Gain. Set the mode in the KX3 to DATA A for PSK31 and to AFSK A for RTTY. Then RIG Control -- Next connect the computer COM port to the ACC1 jack and configure Fldigi to use hamlib or rigcat through that port and you should see the frequency on the Fldigi screen. Then Transmit -- Transmit is the last step - connect the soundcard line out (or speaker) to the KX3 microphone jack and adjust the soundcard, adjust the soundcard output level and the KX3 mic gain to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th flickering on the KX3 ALC meter. Once you have those 3 connections working you should be up and running. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/5/2015 11:44 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > So, I'm wanting to get my feet wet with some digital modes (mainly PSK31 > and RTTY right now). I have the KXPKT cable set and a Logitech USB sound > card. Now what? > > I already have FLDigi. I connected everything up once and got diddly, so I > don't know what I did wrong (Also, if it's any help, if I tune in a CW > signal, I get nothing out of the terminal tab in the KX3 Utility.) No clue > why either... > > Any suggestions? > > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3 # 7480 > > NAQCC # 7704 > OMISS # 9948 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed May 6 08:59:53 2015 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 08:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLdigi for PSK31 Message-ID: <554A1049.8020304@gmail.com> I have successfully used the K3 with FLDigi and a Signalink USB for quite some time now. However, I have never tried to control or even display the frequency on my FLDigi screen (Mac or PC). What connection should I have to the K3 in order to achieve this? How should I configure FLDigi for that purpose? Any help will be most welcomed! Thanks! Ramon, NQ9V From lists at subich.com Wed May 6 09:43:47 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <554A1A93.7030106@subich.com> On 2015-05-05 11:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > Huh. Is there anyway around this? No, the DSP is used for demodulation (15 KHz final IF to audio). The 6 KHz bandwidth is generally used for AM where 6 KHz at RF represents 3 KHz at audio (AM RF bandwidth = 2 x AF bandwidth). The 4.2 KHz maximum "HI" frequency is based on the design of the digital to analog converter and a decision that 4000 to 4500 Hz is the highest frequency required for communications quality audio. The K3 is not and was never deigned to be a high fidelity receiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-05 11:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, sure > would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't need DSP for > these modes.... > > Thanks, > > Steve > KV6O > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 6 09:46:23 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <554A1B2F.1090002@n4rp.com> Yeah. you're right. No one could ever possibly want to listen to the PSK and JT portions of the band at the same time. And, of course, no one uses SDRs for digital modes either ;) 73, Ross N4RP On 5/6/2015 12:07 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > I can't think of a good reason - everyone else is stuck with 2.8-4 kHz > bandwidth, all the activity is pretty much within 2.8 kHz bandwidth, > so you would be talking to yourself. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Tue,5/5/2015 8:30 PM, KV6O wrote: >> Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than >> AM, sure >> would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't need >> DSP for >> these modes.... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> KV6O >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From woodr90 at gmail.com Wed May 6 09:55:40 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 08:55:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <001101d08804$57200f70$05602e50$@gmail.com> Jim & group is there any tutorial for JT65? I'm decoding OK but transmit (K3) have not worked out yet..... 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters I can't think of a good reason - everyone else is stuck with 2.8-4 kHz bandwidth, all the activity is pretty much within 2.8 kHz bandwidth, so you would be talking to yourself. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,5/5/2015 8:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, > sure would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't > need DSP for these modes.... > > Thanks, > > Steve > KV6O > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7 > 602199.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From ak1p.paul at gmail.com Wed May 6 10:04:42 2015 From: ak1p.paul at gmail.com (Paul Maciel) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 10:04:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <001101d08804$57200f70$05602e50$@gmail.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001101d08804$57200f70$05602e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5133BF73-AF9A-49C8-B809-9F5F5DE9877D@gmail.com> Hello Robert, Check out the NW7US web page especially the links to the articles written by Dave W6DTW. ---Paul AK1P Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > > Jim & group > > is there any tutorial for JT65? > > I'm decoding OK but transmit (K3) have not worked out yet..... > > 73 Robert W5AJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:08 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > I can't think of a good reason - everyone else is stuck with 2.8-4 kHz > bandwidth, all the activity is pretty much within 2.8 kHz bandwidth, so you > would be talking to yourself. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > >> On Tue,5/5/2015 8:30 PM, KV6O wrote: >> Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, >> sure would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't >> need DSP for these modes.... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> KV6O >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7 >> 602199.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ak1p.paul at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed May 6 10:14:40 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 07:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Modes with a KX3 and a Mac In-Reply-To: <5549FE0C.5030101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: To add to Don's list: Turn on VOX to key the KX3. Don't forget to turn it off if you use push-to-talk on SSB. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/6/15 at 4:42 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Start out taking it one step at a time. >Receive first -- >All you need to receive data modes is to connect the KX3 >headphone jack to the soundcard line in. Fldigi should show >you some signals. Configure the soundcard Line In level as >well as adjust the KX3 AF Gain. Set the mode in the KX3 to >DATA A for PSK31 and to AFSK A for RTTY. >Then RIG Control -- >Next connect the computer COM port to the ACC1 jack and >configure Fldigi to use hamlib or rigcat through that port and >you should see the frequency on the Fldigi screen. >Then Transmit -- >Transmit is the last step - connect the soundcard line out (or >speaker) to the KX3 microphone jack and adjust the soundcard, >adjust the soundcard output level and the KX3 mic gain to >produce 4 bars solid with the 5th flickering on the KX3 ALC meter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed May 6 11:04:50 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 11:04:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLdigi for PSK31 In-Reply-To: <554A1049.8020304@gmail.com> References: <554A1049.8020304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <554A2D92.6060404@embarqmail.com> Ramon, You need to use Hamlib or Rigcat with Fldigi - I think Hamlib is easier, but YMMV. Configure Fldigi to use whichever you have chosen. Connect the K3 to a COM port on your computer and tell Hamlib (or Rigcat) which port that may be, and it should work. I 'hear tell' that FLRIG can give the same capability, but I have not tried it. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/6/2015 8:59 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I have successfully used the K3 with FLDigi and a Signalink USB for > quite some time now. However, I have never tried to control or even > display the frequency on my FLDigi screen (Mac or PC). What connection > should I have to the K3 in order to achieve this? How should I > configure FLDigi for that purpose? Any help will be most welcomed! > Thanks! > From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed May 6 12:25:59 2015 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 12:25:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLdigi for PSK31 In-Reply-To: <554A2D92.6060404@embarqmail.com> References: <554A1049.8020304@gmail.com> <554A2D92.6060404@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <554A4097.8020502@gmail.com> Thanks for the good advice. I am looking forward to installation and test. 73, Ramon On 5/6/2015 11:04 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ramon, > > You need to use Hamlib or Rigcat with Fldigi - I think Hamlib is > easier, but YMMV. Configure Fldigi to use whichever you have chosen. > Connect the K3 to a COM port on your computer and tell Hamlib (or > Rigcat) which port that may be, and it should work. > > I 'hear tell' that FLRIG can give the same capability, but I have not > tried it. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 5/6/2015 8:59 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> I have successfully used the K3 with FLDigi and a Signalink USB for >> quite some time now. However, I have never tried to control or even >> display the frequency on my FLDigi screen (Mac or PC). What >> connection should I have to the K3 in order to achieve this? How >> should I configure FLDigi for that purpose? Any help will be most >> welcomed! Thanks! >> > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed May 6 12:30:06 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <001101d08804$57200f70$05602e50$@gmail.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <55499388.6030103@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001101d08804$57200f70$05602e50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <554A418E.8020405@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/6/2015 6:55 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > is there any tutorial for JT65? Yes. Study the documentation that comes with WSJT and WSJT-X. As far as interface to the K3 is concerned, it's just like PSK or any other digital mode. The best software to use is WSJT-X. 73, Jim K9YC From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 6 12:41:26 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 09:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554A1A93.7030106@subich.com> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <554A1A93.7030106@subich.com> Message-ID: <1430930486.8031.14.camel@nostromo.nk7z> But Joe... There is an ESSB on and off control... :) Sorry, I hate ESSB and had too.. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 09:43 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 2015-05-05 11:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > > Huh. Is there anyway around this? > > No, the DSP is used for demodulation (15 KHz final IF to audio). > > The 6 KHz bandwidth is generally used for AM where 6 KHz at RF > represents 3 KHz at audio (AM RF bandwidth = 2 x AF bandwidth). > > The 4.2 KHz maximum "HI" frequency is based on the design of > the digital to analog converter and a decision that 4000 to > 4500 Hz is the highest frequency required for communications > quality audio. The K3 is not and was never deigned to be a high > fidelity receiver. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-05 11:30 PM, KV6O wrote: > > Huh. Is there anyway around this? I use data modes way more than AM, sure > > would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work! Don't need DSP for > > these modes.... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > KV6O > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 6 12:48:05 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554A1B2F.1090002@n4rp.com> References: <554A1B2F.1090002@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <2066914713.1252406.1430930885435.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If you are trying to listen to 2 sections at once you may want to look into the dual watch feature? In my K3 I have done that with the sub-receiver, putting one portion on the left and the other on the right. From: Ross Primrose To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Yeah. you're right.? No one could ever possibly want to listen to the PSK and JT portions of the band at the same time.? And, of course, no one uses SDRs for digital modes either ;) 73, Ross N4RP On 5/6/2015 12:07 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > I can't think of a good reason - everyone else is stuck with 2.8-4 kHz > bandwidth, all the activity is pretty much within 2.8 kHz bandwidth, > so you would be talking to yourself. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Tue,5/5/2015 8:30 PM, KV6O wrote: >> Huh.? Is there anyway around this?? I use data modes way more than >> AM, sure >> would be nice to be able to get the 6k filter to work!? Don't need >> DSP for >> these modes.... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> KV6O >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602196p7602199.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From phystad at mac.com Wed May 6 13:00:53 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 10:00:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Switch Arrangement Message-ID: I have been curious about this band switch arrangement on the KPA500 for quite a while now so I must ask the question. The top row of band switches all are associated with what I will call the ?traditional? HF ham radio bands. Well, by HF I am including 160 meters but that may not be technically correct. And, the lower row are WARC bands or other possibly lesser used bands. I mean, certainly not as many use the 6 meter band as the 20 meter band and from my experience nobody uses the 5 meter band (I guess someone does but no one I personally know has ever used it). So was this arrangement done on purpose? I mean, giving top row prominence to what most hams would be using on average daily activity ? that is, 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, 10 meter bands. Kurious in Kirkland, 73, phil, K7PEH From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 6 13:17:06 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 13:17:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLdigi for PSK31 In-Reply-To: <554A2D92.6060404@embarqmail.com> References: <554A1049.8020304@gmail.com> <554A2D92.6060404@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <554A4C92.80408@n4rp.com> Also, on Windows, you can run the DXLabs suite, and add the fldigi-dxlabs gateway ( http://www.n2amg.com/software/fldigi-dxlabs-gateway/ ) and fldigi can talk to the commander part o fhte suite for rig control. It'll also integrate nicely with the logging & spotting portions of the suite as well. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/6/2015 11:04 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ramon, > > You need to use Hamlib or Rigcat with Fldigi - I think Hamlib is > easier, but YMMV. Configure Fldigi to use whichever you have chosen. > Connect the K3 to a COM port on your computer and tell Hamlib (or > Rigcat) which port that may be, and it should work. > > I 'hear tell' that FLRIG can give the same capability, but I have not > tried it. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 5/6/2015 8:59 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> I have successfully used the K3 with FLDigi and a Signalink USB for >> quite some time now. However, I have never tried to control or even >> display the frequency on my FLDigi screen (Mac or PC). What >> connection should I have to the K3 in order to achieve this? How >> should I configure FLDigi for that purpose? Any help will be most >> welcomed! Thanks! >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed May 6 13:36:23 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 17:36:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Switch Arrangement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD495527@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Hmmm.. thems be contest bands ;-). ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Phil Hystad [phystad at mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 10:00 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Switch Arrangement I have been curious about this band switch arrangement on the KPA500 for quite a while now so I must ask the question. The top row of band switches all are associated with what I will call the ?traditional? HF ham radio bands. Well, by HF I am including 160 meters but that may not be technically correct. And, the lower row are WARC bands or other possibly lesser used bands. I mean, certainly not as many use the 6 meter band as the 20 meter band and from my experience nobody uses the 5 meter band (I guess someone does but no one I personally know has ever used it). So was this arrangement done on purpose? I mean, giving top row prominence to what most hams would be using on average daily activity ? that is, 160, 80, 40, 20, 15, 10 meter bands. Kurious in Kirkland, 73, phil, K7PEH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From lists at subich.com Wed May 6 13:55:38 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 13:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1430930486.8031.14.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1430880243621-7602196.post@n2.nabble.com> <5549831D.6090206@subich.com> <1430883043221-7602199.post@n2.nabble.com> <554A1A93.7030106@subich.com> <1430930486.8031.14.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <554A559A.1090001@subich.com> On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: > But Joe... There is an ESSB on and off control... :) Correct and ESSB in the K3 is a maximum of 4 KHz wide for those who feel the need to act like children and generate wider than normal QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: > But Joe... There is an ESSB on and off control... :) > > Sorry, I hate ESSB and had too.. > From doug at ellmore.net Wed May 6 13:58:50 2015 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 13:58:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating PSK or RTTY with K3 or KX3 Message-ID: For anyone just starting to use a K3 or KX3, I don't use fldigi or other apps to do PSK or RTTY. I just use Win4K3 Suite TO use the built in features of the rig and log my qsos. With the KX3 you can use your sound card to support panadapter / band scope and see the signals in the scope. With the K3, I have the IF out option going to a LP-PAN2 adapter to my Yamaha ur22 192khz sound card (which I also use for non mobile KX3 operating). Then I have the panadpter / scope to see the signals. Point and click. TU 599 NA1DX From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:30:56 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 04:30:56 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Firmware question In-Reply-To: <554959AF.23236.E555B2@jpk5lad.cox.net> References: <554959AF.23236.E555B2@jpk5lad.cox.net> Message-ID: <1D09DB26-FA17-4B07-ADE1-D631BD9EC5CD@gmail.com> Did the KX3 utility detect the new firmware files and load them onto your radio? If not, it is probably an "oops" where the zip file on the ftp server was prepared incorrectly. In this case, you might need to move the files up a directory level for the utility to find them. If the utility found the files in the new sub directory, then no need to worry, all is good. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2015-maj-06, at 10:00, jpk5lad at cox.net wrote: > > I updated my KX3 firmware today and discovered something that > seems a bit strange. Previously, from KX3 Utility Revision 1.13.8.24, > when I choose "Copy New Files from Elecraft" it places them on my > Win7 Pro/64bit machine at: > > C:/Users/Jim - > K5LAD/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/KX3Firmware/fmcu0### > > For the two previous times I installed the KX3 firmware, it created a > folder (all beginning as /fmcu0###): > > fmcu0227 = MCU 02.27 > fmcu0230 = MCU 02.30 > > but when I installed the most recent version, it installed the MCU > version (02.33) but created the folder for it as /fmcu0300,i.e., /fmcu0300 > = MCU 02.33. > > Since this is a departure from the previous KX3 firmware installations, > I'm curious if this is a change or an ooops? > > 73, > Jim - K5LAD > > > > =============================== > Life is like a football --- > It ain't round ... It'll bounce funny on ya. > > http://www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/ > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed May 6 16:03:30 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 12:03:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Data mode and filters Message-ID: <201505062003.t46K3WSi011290@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> To run WSJT modes wider than the K3 DSP permits (4-KHz) you can take the 1st IF output to a SDR like the LP-Pan which can process 400-KHz baseband. Of course the highest bw soundcards run 192-KHz so that is another restriction. I run MAP65 which can process 90-KHz of JT65 if sufficient bw is available. Just about any SDR can convert the 8.215 MHz 1st IF of the K3 to provide this. I use a emu0202 s/c to process the IQ baseband from the LP-Pan (as an example). If you are running a KX3 it offers baseband IQ directly (not sure what the bw is as I have not tried my KX3 for WSJT). One caveat: there seems to be two WSJT in use: those that run JT65 on HF and those who run JT65 on VHF+ (mainly for eme and ms). Some of the modes are not compatible and will not decode signals generated by the other "flavor" of WSJT. Specifically JT65-HF is not read by JT-65A. I run WSJT only on 6m and higher bands using WSJT10 from Joe Taylor (K1JT) who is the creator of WSJT. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From knowkode at verizon.net Wed May 6 16:43:20 2015 From: knowkode at verizon.net (Jim Hoge) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 20:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance Message-ID: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Greetings, In viewing the info on the KPA500, I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I cannot find any numbers for what the amp will tolerate from the antenna load. I assume it is low because it's a solid state amp but what exactly will it tolerate before it soft or hard faults? Perhaps I am misunderstanding the input swr as being from the transceiver? Tnx es 73,Jim W5QM From jbollit at outlook.com Wed May 6 17:31:08 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 14:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In-Reply-To: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In my experience, it does not like anything near 2:1. It can trip out at just over 1.6:1, depending on the band and the type of load (reactive part) and power out. I got the KPA-500 which makes the amp happy. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoge Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance Greetings, In viewing the info on the KPA500, I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I cannot find any numbers for what the amp will tolerate from the antenna load. I assume it is low because it's a solid state amp but what exactly will it tolerate before it soft or hard faults? Perhaps I am misunderstanding the input swr as being from the transceiver? Tnx es 73,Jim W5QM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed May 6 17:34:52 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 21:34:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In-Reply-To: References: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD495CF7@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> a KAT500 will make it happier in this case... :) ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of jim [jbollit at outlook.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 2:31 PM To: 'Jim Hoge'; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In my experience, it does not like anything near 2:1. It can trip out at just over 1.6:1, depending on the band and the type of load (reactive part) and power out. I got the KPA-500 which makes the amp happy. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoge Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance Greetings, In viewing the info on the KPA500, I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I cannot find any numbers for what the amp will tolerate from the antenna load. I assume it is low because it's a solid state amp but what exactly will it tolerate before it soft or hard faults? Perhaps I am misunderstanding the input swr as being from the transceiver? Tnx es 73,Jim W5QM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From lists at subich.com Wed May 6 17:36:58 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 17:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <201505062003.t46K3WSi011290@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201505062003.t46K3WSi011290@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <554A897A.8030605@subich.com> > One caveat: there seems to be two WSJT in use: those that run JT65 > on HF and those who run JT65 on VHF+ (mainly for eme and ms). Some of > the modes are not compatible and will not decode signals generated by > the other "flavor" of WSJT. Specifically JT65-HF is not read by > JT-65A. Au contraire! JT65 in WSJT-X by Joe Taylor for HF operation and JT65A in WSJT-10 are the same. I have no problem using either package on HF and 6 meters. JT65B (2 meters) and JT65C (430 MHz+) are different animals and are not compatible with WSJT-X or even WSJT-10 when set for JT65A. > To run WSJT modes wider than the K3 DSP permits (4-KHz) you can take > the 1st IF output to a SDR like the LP-Pan which can process 400-KHz > baseband. Of course the highest bw soundcards run 192-KHz so that is > another restriction. There is certainly nothing that would prevent one from demodulating the entire 50 KHz of "digital" on any band at HF by using an SDR connected to the IF output of the K3. The real problem is having software that can control VFOB in such a way as it will "transceive" with the SDR on the correct frequency to handle the transmit portion of the system. It is still necessary to drive the transmitter with baseband audio in the 500 - 2700 Hz range (preferably 2000 - 2700 Hz to minimize harmonics) as the K3 has no "transmit IF input". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-06 4:03 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > To run WSJT modes wider than the K3 DSP permits (4-KHz) you can take the > 1st IF output to a SDR like the LP-Pan which can process 400-KHz > baseband. Of course the highest bw soundcards run 192-KHz so that is > another restriction. > > I run MAP65 which can process 90-KHz of JT65 if sufficient bw is > available. Just about any SDR can convert the 8.215 MHz 1st IF of the > K3 to provide this. I use a emu0202 s/c to process the IQ baseband from > the LP-Pan (as an example). > > If you are running a KX3 it offers baseband IQ directly (not sure what > the bw is as I have not tried my KX3 for WSJT). > > One caveat: there seems to be two WSJT in use: those that run JT65 on > HF and those who run JT65 on VHF+ (mainly for eme and ms). Some of the > modes are not compatible and will not decode signals generated by the > other "flavor" of WSJT. Specifically JT65-HF is not read by JT-65A. > > I run WSJT only on 6m and higher bands using WSJT10 from Joe Taylor > (K1JT) who is the creator of WSJT. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k9qjs at icloud.com Wed May 6 17:38:43 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 14:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: How to troubleshoot "distorted audio" In-Reply-To: <55471D44.5030706@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <4CD5263A-78C2-46AA-9ACC-8B78B20C11DF@me.com> <55471D44.5030706@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <40C54559-E79F-445B-86FB-3E0D4DE55CAD@icloud.com> Thanks again to everyone who responded to my question about troubleshooting distorted audio on my K-Line. This note is to provide you feedback on what I believe to be the causal factor for the distorted audio. The distorted audio goes away when I remove the line-in stereo cable (a Radio Shack cable) that goes from my MBox-2 sound ?card? to the K3; the MBox-2 does not need to be connected by USB to my computer for there to be audio distortion. I have had an MBox-2 for over 10 years and have used it for voice recording to ProTools software, though I have haven?t used it for that application for quite awhile. Having the MBox2 available and having read Jim?s write-ups on sound cards, I thought I would give it a try fairly recently - this it the answer to the question ?what changed? that led to the audio distortion. I removed my SignaLink and inserted the MBox-2. I am much relieved to have found the problem. I will need to do more research to ascertain whether the stereo audio cable or the MBox-2, in this application, is the problem area. At the same time, I will quickly say that I have also identified that I need to implement station bonding improvements. But having identified the problem and my being able to eliminate it is quite a relief. Again, thank you to all those of you who responded, and especially to Jim and to Jack. 73, Hoop K9QJS San Juan Island, WA From jbollit at outlook.com Wed May 6 17:44:13 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 14:44:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD495CF7@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD495CF7@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: Ur right. Typo on my part KAT-500 (Tuner) makes the amp happy Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Chris Tate - N6WM [mailto:ctate at ewnetinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 2:35 PM To: jim; 'Jim Hoge'; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance a KAT500 will make it happier in this case... :) ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of jim [jbollit at outlook.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 2:31 PM To: 'Jim Hoge'; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In my experience, it does not like anything near 2:1. It can trip out at just over 1.6:1, depending on the band and the type of load (reactive part) and power out. I got the KPA-500 which makes the amp happy. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoge Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance Greetings, In viewing the info on the KPA500, I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I cannot find any numbers for what the amp will tolerate from the antenna load. I assume it is low because it's a solid state amp but what exactly will it tolerate before it soft or hard faults? Perhaps I am misunderstanding the input swr as being from the transceiver? Tnx es 73,Jim W5QM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From jackbrindle at me.com Wed May 6 18:16:44 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 15:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In-Reply-To: References: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9DA7E52B-2BD2-4B18-A426-4D3A60E9BE66@me.com> This may be a case where two directional couplers (or SWR bridges) may not be created equal. The KPA500 uses a directional coupler, which needs no calibration, and measures the forward and reflected voltages that are sampled simultaneously. This allows us to have a rather accurate measurement and calculation. The limits are in the directional coupler itself, as to how well the windings are coupled. Having said this, the KPA500 makes most of its decisions based on reflected power, not on SWR. The only SWR decision is for very high SWR protection - the amplifier will fault at or above 18:1. This provides short- or open-circuit protection. The amplifier protection kicks in with 60 watts reflected power (for a short while), and we will fault at 100 watts of reflected power. What this really means depends entirely on the output power, antenna matching and any other signals in the area that are going in to the KPA?s antenna port. If you are running relatively low power into a relatively high SWR, the KPA probably won't fault unless it sees an SWR above 18:1. Other than that, what is coming back from the antenna determines what happens. The higher the output power, the more reflected power for a given match. Want to test it? Set things up with 65 watts reflected power, then watch as the KPA protests itself by inserting the attenuator, cutting output power in half. The KPA will continue amplifying, periodically dropping the attenuator to see if the antenna match changed, then reprocessing itself when it sees that it hasn?t. Something else of note. Non-choked RF currents on the outside of the coax shield will also have an effect on reflected power (usually makes it worse). Proper choking will have a very good effect when it is needed (and it usually is). Also, strong nearby signals may add to the reflected power, causing a higher reading, and thus causing the KPA to protect itself more quickly than if that signal is not present. Folks who build high-power multi-transmitter stations routinely deal with this scenario. This is a bit long-winded, but I hope it answers the question. We simply cannot give a valid answer to the question of SWR limits, but rather do have very valid specifications for reflected power limits. As usual, then answer is in your antenna system. Design it properly and the KPA500 will run just fine for a long time. - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On May 6, 2015, at 2:31 PM, jim wrote: > > In my experience, it does not like anything near 2:1. > > It can trip out at just over 1.6:1, depending on the band and the type of > load (reactive part) and power out. > > I got the KPA-500 which makes the amp happy. > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > > . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Hoge > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:43 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance > > Greetings, > In viewing the info on the KPA500, I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I > cannot find any numbers for what the amp will tolerate from the antenna > load. I assume it is low because it's a solid state amp but what exactly > will it tolerate before it soft or hard faults? Perhaps I am > misunderstanding the input swr as being from the transceiver? > > Tnx es 73,Jim W5QM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From mcduffie at ag0n.net Wed May 6 18:33:55 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 16:33:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 swr tolerance In-Reply-To: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1471050511.754404.1430945000858.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 May 2015 20:43:20 +0000 (UTC), Jim Hoge wrote: > I see a spec for input swr of 1.5/1 but I cannot find any numbers for > what the amp will tolerate from the antenna load. Like have others, I'd say it is not very tolerant. In fact, I won't let it have access to anything over 1.2, without hitting the tuner. On six meters, I've found it to be fairly sensitive to reflected power, especially at higher power settings. Do have a tuner available, even on a resonant band, when operating off the resonant frequency by a significant amount. Although pricey, the KAT500 fills the bill quite nicely. I'm not a drinker of the eKool-Aid. I'm a heavy Kenwood fan. But I really like the KPA for ease of operation, all the way to six meters, and so far, the reliability. I've been in electronics since I was in 9th grade in the 50s, and I am now wanting to simplify my life. I don't want to work on things, I just want to enjoy the hobby that was responsible for my entire career. The integration of the KPA/KAT package to my TS590 have made it so simple, I just love it. When I change bands, the amp dutifully follows without my input. 73, Gary From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed May 6 19:56:49 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 16:56:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto> References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto> Message-ID: <554AAA41.8000807@foothill.net> 750 nautical miles is about 1,390 km. Ships would occasionally report hearing us on MF beyond that, 5 KW and huge antennas helps, but we had a hard time hearing them beyond about 750 nm in the daylight, and it depended on the ship. I remember hearing NMO [Hawai'i] in daylight a few times, very weak. I have yet to actually hear any of the WSPR stations I'm logging with Joe Taylor's software, even using CW bandwidths. I'm logging the same 5 or 6 stations all night, sometimes with reported SNR's of -6 to -1. I've gotten up in the middle of the night to listen, I guess I just haven't gotten up at the right time, and I'm getting a little tired of it. :-) I haven't done Wayne's MF/LF mods yet, that may help some. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/6/2015 12:00 AM, Fausto Coletti wrote: > Here in Europe on 630m, we often did groundwave QSO of 600-800 Km in the > middle of day > and the whole route is over the ground, not over sea water with strong > and stable signal. > Normally QSO between northern Germany and the central and southern Italy > During the night there may be a deep QSB due phase sum of groundwave and > skywave especially at distances around 600-800 Km. > At distances below these prevails ground wave component, at greater > distances prevails skywave. > I have not experience of groundwave QSO over the sea water, probably the > efficiency is better than over the ground. > Here a video of groundwave reception: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sdXjyfibz8 > > Of course the signal is better during the night via skywave: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLkclDrrvOg > > The distance between I and Stefan is about 600 Km. > > 73, Fausto IK4NMF > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Jensen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 > and 630 Meters > > >> Many years ago, when 600 meters was the world's party line, ground >> wave was usable out to maybe 700-750 nm [around 800 sm]. Ships ran >> 200 - 500 watts usually and were somewhat antenna restricted for that >> frequency. Conversely, we ran 5 KW to very large, efficient antennas, >> and we had the advantage of great Beverages for receiving. >> >> Of course, that was essentially a 100% sea water path too. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> On 5/5/2015 12:21 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >>> Antenna currently down by wind breakage (minor). I support my inv-L by >>> two 50-foot towers separated 130-foot apart. My signal is received >>> 70-mi away at 35 dB SNR by ground-wave 24/7/365. Ground wave appears to >>> be solid out to 250mi. Sky wave is night-time prop and best in winter >>> when atmospheric static is lowest. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to faustocoletti at alice.it >> >> >> ----- >> Nessun virus nel messaggio. >> Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >> Versione: 2015.0.5941 / Database dei virus: 4339/9700 - Data di >> rilascio: 05/05/2015 >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9711 - Release Date: 05/06/15 > > From no3m at no3m.net Wed May 6 23:05:32 2015 From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 23:05:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: <554AAA41.8000807@foothill.net> References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto> <554AAA41.8000807@foothill.net> Message-ID: <554AD67C.2080306@no3m.net> You should just start to hear the WSPR sigs around -14 to -12 SNR 2.5 kHz b/w. Sounds like a carrier with a slight "wiggling". On 05/06/2015 07:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > 750 nautical miles is about 1,390 km. Ships would occasionally report > hearing us on MF beyond that, 5 KW and huge antennas helps, but we had > a hard time hearing them beyond about 750 nm in the daylight, and it > depended on the ship. I remember hearing NMO [Hawai'i] in daylight a > few times, very weak. > > I have yet to actually hear any of the WSPR stations I'm logging with > Joe Taylor's software, even using CW bandwidths. I'm logging the same > 5 or 6 stations all night, sometimes with reported SNR's of -6 to -1. > I've gotten up in the middle of the night to listen, I guess I just > haven't gotten up at the right time, and I'm getting a little tired of > it. :-) > > I haven't done Wayne's MF/LF mods yet, that may help some. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 6 23:44:46 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 23:44:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? Message-ID: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1 primarily for use on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar with the radio before buying one especially the 80m coverage . You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) Thank you Alan KB7MBI From w6jhb at me.com Thu May 7 00:23:53 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 21:23:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 In-Reply-To: <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <699252B4-EEA3-4774-8792-A1F357F1C59B@me.com> Did a lot of head scratching and perusing not only the Elecraft K3 manual but also the KE7X book on the K3. No question about it - I need a device like that one from Array Solutions. The price is good and probably will work. My concern is that if I put it in the line between my vertical and ANT2, I can then never use the vertical for transmitting, something I rarely do, but all it would take would be one time and bye-bye $55+ dollars. I thought I could place a high quality coax switch in the line, with the common running to the vertical, and then one side direct to ANT2 and the other switch position through the Front End Protector (FEP) to the Aux BNC antenna connector. That brings up some ugliness in that I?d have to re-wire my Sub Receiver to have it go to the Aux BNC connector rather than the KAT3 ATU as it does now. Ughhh? I diagrammed it on paper and came up with another idea. What ?should? work is to have a coax switch that completely takes the FEP out of the circuit, basically a ?ganged? coax switch, for lack of a better term. When set to one position, the FEP is in the circuit between the vertical and ANT2, and when in the other position, the vertical would be connected directly to ANT2. This action could be done with two individual switches, but would make things easier if I could locate an SO-239-based coax switch that switches two ports at the same time. Anyone know if such a device exists, and it so, where it might be sold? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > On Tuesday, May 5, 2015, at Tuesday, 5:30 AM, Harry Yingst wrote: > > Here is something I did out of curiosity... > > > I hooked my RX antenna to the input of a wattmeter and the output of the wattmeter into a dummy load. > > I then then observed how much power was being sent back to me through the RX antenna. > > > It may not be accurate, but it was enough for me to install a front end protector. (I got an AS_RXFEP from Array Solutions) > > > > From: James Bennett > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 11:57 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 > > The situation: I've got an 88 foot long doublet at 45 feet, fed with 110 feet of ladder line, a 4:1 balun, and six feet of RG8-X connected to ANT1. Also got a Hustler 6BTV mounted on the ground in the back yard with 75 feet of RG8 running to the ANT2 connector. > > When running the K3 on low power I have no problem using diversity mode. However, when the power is increased, the internal relays start chattering in the K3. I understand that this the K3's way of protecting itself from too much RF on ANT2 - it temporarily disconnects ANT2. The amount of K3 output needed to cause the relay chatter depends on the band I'm on. Sometimes 20 watts will do it, other times I'm good at 100 watts - depends on the band. When I turn on the KPA500 it'll chatter on EVERY band. Obviously it's because the vertical (ANT2) is less than 50 feet from the doublet - I get that. > > My question(s) - can I assume that this relay chatter is not good, that it will cause problems if I continue running QRO in diversity mode? > > If this in fact is a bad thing, how do others run QRO and diversity? Are there devices on the market that can be put in the ANT2 line that can handle the RF? I could do it with a manual coax switch but that kinda puts a crimp in QSK operating. > > Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu May 7 00:31:26 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 00:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <554AEA9E.9020304@embarqmail.com> Alan, The KX1 comes natively with only 40 and 20 meter bands. The KXB380 option adds 80 and 30 meters. The KXAT1 antenna tuner has a limited range, and is optimized for the no-feedline antenna shown on page 10 of the KXAT1 manual for 40 through 20 operation. Use of the KX1 on 80 meters requires an antenna that is close to resonance. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/6/2015 11:44 PM, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: > A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1 primarily for use > on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar with the radio > before buying one especially the 80m coverage . > > You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) > > From rbiggar at ihug.co.nz Thu May 7 03:30:56 2015 From: rbiggar at ihug.co.nz (Ross Biggar) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 19:30:56 +1200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Query Message-ID: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> I recently fitted a 23inch monitor to the SVGA output from the SVGA card in the P3, set up the resolution and it worked perfectly. To save desk space today I purchased and fitted a 19inch LED monitor, the monitor wanted 1366x768 (or 1336) the nearest the P3 will give me is 1024. The monitor works ok but I notice a slight flickering, which is ok but slightly annoying. Is there a reason that the software wasn?t set up for the resolution for small monitors? and is there a way I can reduce the flickering? Regards Ross ZL1WN From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu May 7 04:09:14 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 11:09:14 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Query In-Reply-To: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> References: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> Message-ID: <554B1DAA.1080309@gmail.com> I noticed a similar problem on a 1024x768 monitor. The flicker was annoying on the waterfall section. A work-around was to turn the waterfall averaging feature on in the SVGA menu, and set the averaging value to the minimum (2). This eliminated the flicker and didn't smear the waterfall too much. Unfortunately, I wanted to use a higher value of averaging for the spectrum display, and I didn't like the way it 'blurred' the waterfall. My solution was to get a larger monitor which didn't have the obtrusive flicker, turn off waterfall averaging, and increase the averaging parameter to a value which I liked better for the spectrum display :-) -- Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 5/7/15 10:30 AM, Ross Biggar wrote: > I recently fitted a 23inch monitor to the SVGA output from the SVGA > card in the P3, set up the resolution and it worked perfectly. To > save desk space today I purchased and fitted a 19inch LED monitor, > the monitor wanted 1366x768 (or 1336) the nearest the P3 will give > me is 1024. The monitor works ok but I notice a slight flickering, > which is ok but slightly annoying. Is there a reason that the > software wasn?t set up for the resolution for small monitors? and is > there a way I can reduce the flickering? > > Regards Ross ZL1WN From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu May 7 06:26:55 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 10:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <1728610644.1248531.1430994415733.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Alan, Please read my review in?: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3586 You will have a feeling about this radio. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?7? (??) 11:44 AM ??? [Elecraft] KX1??? A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1? primarily for use on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar? with the radio before buying one especially the 80m coverage . You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) Thank you Alan KB7MBI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Thu May 7 07:07:55 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 12:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 4 band kit In-Reply-To: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <554B478B.4050404@ntlworld.com> This might be a bit like looking for hens teeth but you never know... I am aware Elecraft don't do the 4 band version (about a year now) as the filter module trimmer caps are not available now. However, been asked by another who regrets selling his own 4 band version a while back if I know if there are any K1 4 band radio kits unmade available anywhere. (I gave mine away when the KX3 arrived!) I have asked a few that I would usually find might have had one but no joy, built ones yes but need an unmade kit, just the 4 band one. So, does anyone (prefer UK not US) have an unmade K1 4 band kit they might have squirrelled away they had not started for sale? They do not want one already built as want to build it themselves. They sold it to buy a KX3 they just don't use and prefer the simple display of the K1. Off list replies please. 72/73 Dom M1KTA From pincon at erols.com Thu May 7 07:12:11 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 07:12:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto><554AAA41.8000807@foothill.net> <554AD67C.2080306@no3m.net> Message-ID: There's a website where you can listen to samples of all the modern digital signals. I found it really fascinating to hear all those weird beeps and squeals of today's modes, even if I didn't want to actually use them. It allowed me to at least identify what I was hearing as either a real signal or just some strange RFI from a noisy device. Back in the 80's when I was playing with Baudot RTTY or Amtor, that's all there was and it was simple to tell the difference. Unfortunately, I forgot the name of the site, but it should be easy enough to find. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric NO3M" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters > You should just start to hear the WSPR sigs around -14 to -12 SNR 2.5 kHz > b/w. Sounds like a carrier with a slight "wiggling". > > On 05/06/2015 07:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> 750 nautical miles is about 1,390 km. Ships would occasionally report >> hearing us on MF beyond that, 5 KW and huge antennas helps, but we had a >> hard time hearing them beyond about 750 nm in the daylight, and it >> depended on the ship. I remember hearing NMO [Hawai'i] in daylight a few >> times, very weak. >> >> I have yet to actually hear any of the WSPR stations I'm logging with Joe >> Taylor's software, even using CW bandwidths. I'm logging the same 5 or 6 >> stations all night, sometimes with reported SNR's of -6 to -1. I've >> gotten up in the middle of the night to listen, I guess I just haven't >> gotten up at the right time, and I'm getting a little tired of it. :-) >> >> I haven't done Wayne's MF/LF mods yet, that may help some. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From pincon at erols.com Thu May 7 07:33:15 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 07:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Query References: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> Message-ID: <64DCF742A141441181B278AC724829E0@pinnacle05df05> I'm using an "antique" 15 inch HP LCD monitor that I got with a computer package ten years ago which also works fine, or so I thought. I also get some flickering on the screen that I thought was just normal and would have to live with it. >From what you say, maybe it's not normal. Does anyone else notice the screen flicker? I've tried the monitor's menu items but it's always there. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Biggar" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 3:30 AM Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Query >I recently fitted a 23inch monitor to the SVGA output from the SVGA card in >the P3, set up the resolution and it worked perfectly. > To save desk space today I purchased and fitted a 19inch LED monitor, the > monitor wanted 1366x768 (or 1336) the nearest the P3 will give me is > 1024. The monitor works ok but I notice a slight flickering, which is ok > but slightly annoying. > Is there a reason that the software wasn?t set up for the resolution for > small monitors? and is there a way I can reduce the flickering? > > Regards > Ross > ZL1WN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From kk5f at earthlink.net Thu May 7 07:38:53 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 06:38:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? Message-ID: <11870925.1430998734032.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1 primarily for use >on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar with the radio >before buying one especially the 80m coverage . There is a massive amount of KX1 information and links to many reviews at: http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/KX1.htm The 80m band is NOT native to the KX1. That requires a not particularly easily installed add-on designated in Elecraft's bizarre, illogical, inconsistent, and above all confusing product nomenclature system as KXB3080. The K1 with a two-band filter board that includes 80m would definitely provide better performance. Mike / KK5F From df9dd at df9dd.de Thu May 7 07:56:06 2015 From: df9dd at df9dd.de (DF9DD) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 13:56:06 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] UT5JCW 144MHz Transverter Message-ID: <554B52D6.1050401@df9dd.de> who has a 144 MHz transverter from ut5jcw connected to the K3 and can tell me his experiences? Would I be happy if I could get an indication about the wiring between K3 and the transverter. vy 73 de DF9DD Eckhard ("Ed") From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 7 08:30:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554A559A.1090001@subich.com> References: <554A559A.1090001@subich.com> Message-ID: <966040231.1874430.1431001844054.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> By that thought we should all be using 1.8 KHz Filters on TX and RTTY should be scrapped in favor of PSK31. I have no problem with ESSB, what I do have a problem with is those intentionally snuggling up close to them to cause QRM when the rest of the band is wide open. As licensed Amateurs, we should realize that we share the bands with others. Our interest may not be the same as theirs but we should have enough common decency as to not act in a way as to spoil the enjoyment of those we share the bands with. From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: > But Joe...? There is an ESSB on and off control...? :) Correct and ESSB in the K3 is a maximum of 4 KHz wide for those who feel the need to act like children and generate wider than normal QRM. 73, ? ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: > But Joe...? There is an ESSB on and off control...? :) > > Sorry, I hate ESSB and had too.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 7 08:40:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 12:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters In-Reply-To: References: <201505050721.t457LsnN027691@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <55493675.4070601@foothill.net> <2F8C929357C0428896409F31F14A0C9E@PCFausto> <554AAA41.8000807@foothill.net> <554AD67C.2080306@no3m.net> Message-ID: <793547335.1883903.1431002425635.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Here is one I found - www.kb9ukd.com/digital ? From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters There's a website where you can listen to samples of all the modern digital signals.? I found it really fascinating to hear all those weird beeps and squeals of today's modes, even if I didn't want to actually use them.? It allowed me to at least identify what I was hearing as either a real signal or just some strange RFI from a noisy device.? Back in the 80's when I was playing with Baudot RTTY or Amtor, that's all there was and it was simple to tell the difference.? Unfortunately, I forgot the name of the site, but it should be easy enough to find. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric NO3M" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FCC Proposes to Permit Amateur Access to 2200 and 630 Meters > You should just start to hear the WSPR sigs around -14 to -12 SNR 2.5 kHz > b/w.? Sounds like a carrier with a slight "wiggling". > > On 05/06/2015 07:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> 750 nautical miles is about 1,390 km.? Ships would occasionally report >> hearing us on MF beyond that, 5 KW and huge antennas helps, but we had a >> hard time hearing them beyond about 750 nm in the daylight, and it >> depended on the ship.? I remember hearing NMO [Hawai'i] in daylight a few >> times, very weak. >> >> I have yet to actually hear any of the WSPR stations I'm logging with Joe >> Taylor's software, even using CW bandwidths.? I'm logging the same 5 or 6 >> stations all night, sometimes with reported SNR's of -6 to -1. I've >> gotten up in the middle of the night to listen, I guess I just haven't >> gotten up at the right time, and I'm getting a little tired of it. :-) >> >> I haven't done Wayne's MF/LF mods yet, that may help some. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu May 7 08:54:34 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 12:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <11870925.1430998734032.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11870925.1430998734032.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1724263847.1342118.1431003274650.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Mike, Yes, this has already been covered in my review written in eham.? I have a lot of reservation in the construction of KX1 with the additional KXB3080.? If I were given the choice, I would simply give up the 80m. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Mike Morrow ???? ARDUJENSKI at aol.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?7? (??) 7:38 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX1??? >A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1? primarily for use >on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar? with the radio >before buying one especially the 80m coverage . There is a massive amount of KX1 information and links to many reviews at: http://www.elecraft.com/KX1/KX1.htm The 80m band is NOT native to the KX1.? That requires a not particularly easily installed add-on designated in Elecraft's bizarre, illogical, inconsistent, and above all confusing product nomenclature system as KXB3080. The K1 with a two-band filter board that includes 80m would definitely provide better performance. Mike / KK5F From lists at subich.com Thu May 7 09:21:57 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 09:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <966040231.1874430.1431001844054.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554A559A.1090001@subich.com> <966040231.1874430.1431001844054.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554B66F5.3020601@subich.com> On 2015-05-07 8:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > By that thought we should all be using 1.8 KHz Filters on TX ITU and by extension the FCC which incorporates the particular definitions in Part 1 of the regulations, defines communications quality audio as 2.7KHz (300 Hz to 3 KHz). I'm happy to leave the definitions and regulations to them. I'm not happy with the lids who are passing DC to 5 KHz in busy (crowded) bands and running that through amplifiers with high levels of IMD. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-07 8:30 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > By that thought we should all be using 1.8 KHz Filters on TX and RTTY should be scrapped in favor of PSK31. > > > I have no problem with ESSB, what I do have a problem with is those intentionally snuggling up close to them to cause QRM when the rest of the band is wide open. > > As licensed Amateurs, we should realize that we share the bands with others. > Our interest may not be the same as theirs but we should have enough common decency as to not act in a way as to spoil the enjoyment of those we share the bands with. > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > > On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: > > But Joe... There is an ESSB on and off control... :) > > Correct and ESSB in the K3 is a maximum of 4 KHz wide for > those who feel the need to act like children and generate > wider than normal QRM. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > On 2015-05-06 12:41 PM, David Cole wrote: >> But Joe... There is an ESSB on and off control... :) >> >> Sorry, I hate ESSB and had too.. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu May 7 09:54:28 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 06:54:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <1724263847.1342118.1431003274650.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> <11870925.1430998734032.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1724263847.1342118.1431003274650.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431006868024-7602249.post@n2.nabble.com> I built the KX1 with the 80M option and I agree that it takes some extra care building it, but it works. I followed some of Don Wilhelm's advice when building it when I had some issue...I forget what. It's a neat little rig. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-tp7602234p7602249.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 7 10:18:43 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 07:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Query In-Reply-To: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> References: <61818EF29F6C44678714BEF9B4907315@ElanVAIO> Message-ID: <554B7443.8050102@socal.rr.com> I had the same problem, Ross, with an old 15 inch flat-panel monitor. Here is what Craig at Elecraft suggested: "Turn on Averaging and set to 2. Turn On Waterfall Averaging in the Menu. This will resolve the "flickering"." It worked :-) 73, On 5/7/15 12:30 AM, Ross Biggar wrote: > I recently fitted a 23inch monitor to the SVGA output from the SVGA card in the P3, set up the resolution and it worked perfectly. > To save desk space today I purchased and fitted a 19inch LED monitor, the monitor wanted 1366x768 (or 1336) the nearest the P3 will give me is 1024. The monitor works ok but I notice a slight flickering, which is ok but slightly annoying. > Is there a reason that the software wasn?t set up for the resolution for small monitors? and is there a way I can reduce the flickering? > > Regards > Ross > ZL1WN From augie.hansen at comcast.net Thu May 7 11:04:26 2015 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 09:04:26 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 In-Reply-To: <699252B4-EEA3-4774-8792-A1F357F1C59B@me.com> References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <699252B4-EEA3-4774-8792-A1F357F1C59B@me.com> Message-ID: <554B7EFA.9060605@comcast.net> On 5/6/2015 10:23 PM, James Bennett wrote: > ... > > I diagrammed it on paper and came up with another idea. What ?should? work is to have a coax switch that completely takes the FEP out of the circuit, basically a ?ganged? coax switch, for lack of a better term. When set to one position, the FEP is in the circuit between the vertical and ANT2, and when in the other position, the vertical would be connected directly to ANT2. This action could be done with two individual switches, but would make things easier if I could locate an SO-239-based coax switch that switches two ports at the same time. Anyone know if such a device exists, and it so, where it might be sold? MFJ-1705H RF Bypass Switch. I use one to bypass an Icom IC-PW1 (original), which doesn't have a pass-thru feature when powered off. Gus Hansen KB0YH From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 7 11:06:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 11:06:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Message-ID: I'm driving the KPA500 with an Orion II on 160-10 and a KX3 on 6. An LDG AT-1000ProII keeps the KPA500 happy on all bands. No eKoolAid here either, hi. 73 Ray W2RS From k9ztv at socket.net Thu May 7 11:11:30 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> Message-ID: <554B80A2.5080903@socket.net> In my opinion, the KX1 is a neat little package. But understand from the outset that it was designed for sleeping bags, picnic tables, and short-term fun. If your intended use falls elsewhere, buy elsewhere. I would not recommend it for inexperienced builders or those with failing eyes and/or shaky hands. The 80/30 modification kit requires care and concentration. When completed, however, it's a satisfying piece of work, brilliantly designed. The builder's greatest dilemma involves the antenna connector . . . deciding what kind of antenna to attach. The success of any QRP installation lies with the antenna. Spend twice as much time and effort in researching that issue as you do in building the rig itself. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 5/6/2015 10:44 PM, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: > A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1 primarily for use > on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar with the radio > before buying one especially the 80m coverage . > > You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) > > Thank you > > Alan KB7MBI > From phystad at mac.com Thu May 7 11:54:43 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 08:54:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <554B80A2.5080903@socket.net> References: <7cafd.442d125f.427c39ae@aol.com> <554B80A2.5080903@socket.net> Message-ID: My two bits on the KX1 and 80/30 option? I built the KX1 40/20 version and I didn?t think it was too difficult. My only modern era kit building preparation for the KX1 was building a Norcal 40A. Although I wound my own toroids for the Norcal 40A, I chose the option of buying the ready made toroids for the KX1 (from the vendor whose contact info is on the Elecraft site). Winding the toroids was the only part of the kit-building that I didn?t like doing when I did it with the 40A. I purchased the 80/30 kit primarily to get the 30 meter band but I had Don, W3FPR, do the 80/30 kit add on and he did his usual excellent work. I have used the 80-meter portion only to check into an 80-meter CW net under QRP power a few times but using my home QTH and regular 80-meter dipole. Although every now and then I use the KX1 just for kicks, I usually rely on my KX3 for portable QRP operations. Actually, I even fired up the Norcal 40A last week for just a single contact just to make sure that it still worked after cleaning the dust off of it. My KX1 though does work on 80 meters and I did not have much trouble matching the antenna but it was with using a very descent antenna whose normal area of lower SWR was around 3560 KHz where I made my net contacts. I have never used the KX1 in portable operations with a compromise wire antenna and I probably never will. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 7, 2015, at 8:11 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > > In my opinion, the KX1 is a neat little package. But understand from the outset that it was designed for sleeping bags, picnic tables, and short-term fun. If your intended use falls elsewhere, buy elsewhere. > > I would not recommend it for inexperienced builders or those with failing eyes and/or shaky hands. > > The 80/30 modification kit requires care and concentration. > > When completed, however, it's a satisfying piece of work, brilliantly designed. > > The builder's greatest dilemma involves the antenna connector . . . deciding what kind of antenna to attach. The success of any QRP installation lies with the antenna. Spend twice as much time and effort in researching that issue as you do in building the rig itself. > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV > > > On 5/6/2015 10:44 PM, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: >> A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1 primarily for use >> on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar with the radio >> before buying one especially the 80m coverage . >> You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) >> Thank you >> Alan KB7MBI >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 7 12:23:00 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 09:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft phones back up Message-ID: <554B9164.5070708@elecraft.com> Our inbound phone lines for our main Elecraft number, 831-763-4211, were down for about an hour this morning. We are now back up and running. 73, Eric elecraft.com From N7MSK at charter.net Thu May 7 12:27:04 2015 From: N7MSK at charter.net (Mike Katz) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 09:27:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Message-ID: <000301d088e2$a7b640b0$f722c210$@charter.net> Looking for a KXPA100 from a non-smoker - If you have one that is excess to your needs, please contact me via e-mail with a price. 73 -- N7MSK at charter dot net. Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From hhoyt at mebtel.net Thu May 7 12:48:39 2015 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 12:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Message-ID: <554B9767.5070708@mebtel.net> To all KX3 owners, especially those going to Dayton: please see our message at: http://proaudioeng.com I look forward to meeting many of you at Dayton, North Hall Booth 195. After you wait in line to say hi to Eric or Wayne, turn around and come over to say hi to us, we will be right across the aisle from Elecraft! We won?t be signing autographs like they will ;-) (you guys know you are the rock stars of ham radio, right?), but we will be glad to see you. Also we are proud to announce that Pro Audio Engineering products are now sold in Europe by Carlo Bianconi at: http://www.carlobianconi.com/ This will significantly lower shipping costs to EU/AS/AF, good news for all of you who have asked us for less expensive shipping. Thanks for the bandwidth! Howie - WA4PSC From w6jhb at me.com Thu May 7 12:58:49 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 09:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Ant2 Issue With KPA500 In-Reply-To: <554B7EFA.9060605@comcast.net> References: <1C41CE43-5BDF-477E-BD29-273F4E31B90A@me.com> <567080951.207065.1430829016102.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <699252B4-EEA3-4774-8792-A1F357F1C59B@me.com> <554B7EFA.9060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <72E9618A-0EAA-4716-9839-7BC4C9E34BA6@me.com> I?ll give the MFJ product a try. Hopefully the quality will be OK - one never knows what you?ll get with their stuff! But if this works I?ll be a happy camper. Thanks Gus 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Thursday, May 7, 2015, at Thursday, 8:04 AM, Augie Gus Hansen wrote: > > > On 5/6/2015 10:23 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> ... >> >> I diagrammed it on paper and came up with another idea. What ?should? work is to have a coax switch that completely takes the FEP out of the circuit, basically a ?ganged? coax switch, for lack of a better term. When set to one position, the FEP is in the circuit between the vertical and ANT2, and when in the other position, the vertical would be connected directly to ANT2. This action could be done with two individual switches, but would make things easier if I could locate an SO-239-based coax switch that switches two ports at the same time. Anyone know if such a device exists, and it so, where it might be sold? > > MFJ-1705H RF Bypass Switch. > > I use one to bypass an Icom IC-PW1 (original), which doesn't have a pass-thru feature when powered off. > > > Gus Hansen > KB0YH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Thu May 7 13:11:12 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 10:11:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> I've successfully setup my KX3 with HRD 5.4.28 and WSJT-X, using a Signalink to interface audio to computer (my first attempt at digital operation). Everything seems to work well on receive, and I can hear and decode a good number of stations in both modes (WSJT-X will do simultaneous decode of both JT65 and JT9 with BW set to 4kHz). While TX is functioning (running 3W, ALC=0, have not done temp compensation but have VE7FMN heatsink), reception by other parties has been difficult. Using JT65-HF I've had a couple of incomplete QSOs - the receiving station has been able to decode and respond at least initially. Using JT9 the one station I contacted reported unable to decode, after trying on several different occasions/times. So my questions are what are the capabilities of the KX3 in this configuration for these modes, i.e. running at 3W and with heatsink fitted? Should I expect the KX3 to be able to function in both modes TX without issue, particularly relating to internal heat build-up, freq stability)? Any thoughts on likely issue - pls ask for more details of setup if required? 73's Gary K6YOA From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Thu May 7 13:32:16 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 13:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <554BA1A0.3080304@gmail.com> I have used KX3 for JT65 at 0.5 watts. 1. you need ALC = 4-5 bars. I think it in the manual about digital modes. I use WSJTX directly. Audio into an external USB sound "card" (I don't like transmitting system sounds...) I use USB control cable (same as used with KX3 utility) with rig control from WSJTX. 73, steve WB3LGC On 07-May-15 1:11 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > I've successfully setup my KX3 with HRD 5.4.28 and WSJT-X, using a > Signalink to interface audio to computer (my first attempt at digital > operation). > > Everything seems to work well on receive, and I can hear and decode a > good number of stations in both modes (WSJT-X will do simultaneous > decode of both JT65 and JT9 with BW set to 4kHz). > > While TX is functioning (running 3W, ALC=0, have not done temp > compensation but have VE7FMN heatsink), reception by other parties has > been difficult. Using JT65-HF I've had a couple of incomplete QSOs - > the receiving station has been able to decode and respond at least > initially. Using JT9 the one station I contacted reported unable to > decode, after trying on several different occasions/times. > > So my questions are what are the capabilities of the KX3 in this > configuration for these modes, i.e. running at 3W and with heatsink > fitted? Should I expect the KX3 to be able to function in both modes > TX without issue, particularly relating to internal heat build-up, > freq stability)? Any thoughts on likely issue - pls ask for more > details of setup if required? > > 73's Gary K6YOA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu May 7 14:06:21 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 14:06:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> Gary, You need to increase the audio drive to produce 4 bars solid on the "ALC" meter with the 5th bard flickering. The KX3 "ALC" meter shows the relative audio level in the 1st 4 bars - this is not actually ALC activity, but more like a VU meter. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar and above. Do not attempt to control the KX3 power output with the audio input - run the audio input full and adjust the desired power level with the power knob. I know that is different from the conventional advice given for other transceivers, but the way the KX3 controls power is different from the power control mechanism on other amateur transceivers. If you do not drive the KX3 audio fully, the power control circuits will "power hunt". 73, Don W3FPR On 5/7/2015 1:11 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > I've successfully setup my KX3 with HRD 5.4.28 and WSJT-X, using a > Signalink to interface audio to computer (my first attempt at digital > operation). > > Everything seems to work well on receive, and I can hear and decode a > good number of stations in both modes (WSJT-X will do simultaneous > decode of both JT65 and JT9 with BW set to 4kHz). > > While TX is functioning (running 3W, ALC=0, have not done temp > compensation but have VE7FMN heatsink), reception by other parties has > been difficult. Using JT65-HF I've had a couple of incomplete QSOs - > the receiving station has been able to decode and respond at least > initially. Using JT9 the one station I contacted reported unable to > decode, after trying on several different occasions/times. > > So my questions are what are the capabilities of the KX3 in this > configuration for these modes, i.e. running at 3W and with heatsink > fitted? Should I expect the KX3 to be able to function in both modes > TX without issue, particularly relating to internal heat build-up, > freq stability)? Any thoughts on likely issue - pls ask for more > details of setup if required? From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu May 7 14:30:11 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 13:30:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft phones back up In-Reply-To: <554B9164.5070708@elecraft.com> References: <554B9164.5070708@elecraft.com> Message-ID: An excellent time to grab the key? Had to say that? Sorry Eric. Frank KG9H (proud owner of another KX3?) > On May 7, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Our inbound phone lines for our main Elecraft number, 831-763-4211, were down for about an hour this morning. We are now back up and running. > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 7 14:38:30 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 11:38:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <554BB126.7030002@audiosystemsgroup.com> Additional advice from the Elecraft guys. The KX3 has two operating ranges, with the transition at 3W. It is most efficient on the low side of that transition. To find that "sweet spot," slowing increase the power to just above 3W, listening carefully for a relay click, then back off the power until you hear it click again. This matters both for battery drain, and for heating with keydown modes like JT65. For JT65 on the higher frequency bands, especially 6M, it's important to perform the temperature calibration procedure documented on the Elecraft website. K1JT does not recommend JT9 on 6M for reasons of frequency stability, but I've successfully used JT9 on 6M with my K3. 73, Jim K9YC From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 7 14:50:34 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 14:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554BB126.7030002@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> <554BB126.7030002@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <554BB3FA.5090008@n4rp.com> On 5/7/2015 2:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > K1JT does not recommend JT9 on 6M for reasons of frequency stability, > but I've successfully used JT9 on 6M with my K3. > > 73, Jim K9YC > With the factory TCXO, or the high-stability one? 73, Ross N4RP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 7 15:01:06 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 12:01:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554BB3FA.5090008@n4rp.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> <554BB126.7030002@audiosystemsgroup.com> <554BB3FA.5090008@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <554BB672.1060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> His advice is not specific to Elecraft products. Lots of WSJT operators use vastly inferior radios. Think IC706, FT897, etc. Obviously, it's less of an issue with better radios on both ends. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,5/7/2015 11:50 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > On 5/7/2015 2:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> K1JT does not recommend JT9 on 6M for reasons of frequency stability, >> but I've successfully used JT9 on 6M with my K3. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> > > With the factory TCXO, or the high-stability one? From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 7 15:04:44 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 15:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554BB672.1060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554BA99D.40100@embarqmail.com> <554BB126.7030002@audiosystemsgroup.com> <554BB3FA.5090008@n4rp.com> <554BB672.1060206@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <554BB74C.9070609@n4rp.com> Yeah, I knew that. I was asking if YOU have the factory TCXO or the upgraded one in your K3... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/7/2015 3:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > His advice is not specific to Elecraft products. Lots of WSJT > operators use vastly inferior radios. Think IC706, FT897, etc. > Obviously, it's less of an issue with better radios on both ends. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,5/7/2015 11:50 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> On 5/7/2015 2:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> K1JT does not recommend JT9 on 6M for reasons of frequency >>> stability, but I've successfully used JT9 on 6M with my K3. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >> >> With the factory TCXO, or the high-stability one? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From esteptony at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:09:47 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 14:09:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: Gary, I would certainly say that you should do the temp compensation process, notwithstanding your enhanced heat sink. I did a bunch of careful tests with my KX3 a couple of years ago. In fact, those results were part of the early motivation for the development of the compensation process. You can do them yourself if you have another radio that can receive JT65 or WSPR. Just run the KX3 into a dummy load and watch the trace showing its xmit frequency on the other radio. In my case, there was a short burst of drift of about 18 hz right after transmit started. This was pretty much independent of the selected power output. Trying to use the KX3 for JT65 qsos, I got results exactly like yours. I could receive, and occasionally make a contact, but not often, and some contacts broke off in the middle. The heat sink will cool the output stage but my results seem to say that heating is also causing a bit of drift somewhere else. All this is evidently fixed by the refrigerator/heat-gun procedure devised by Elecraft. Try it, and I think you'll be up and going. 73, Tony KT0NY On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > I've successfully setup my KX3 with HRD 5.4.28 and WSJT-X, using a > Signalink to interface audio to computer (my first attempt at digital > operation). > > Everything seems to work well on receive, and I can hear and decode a good > number of stations in both modes (WSJT-X will do simultaneous decode of > both JT65 and JT9 with BW set to 4kHz). > > While TX is functioning (running 3W, ALC=0, have not done temp > compensation but have VE7FMN heatsink), reception by other parties has been > difficult. Using JT65-HF I've had a couple of incomplete QSOs - the > receiving station has been able to decode and respond at least initially. > Using JT9 the one station I contacted reported unable to decode, after > trying on several different occasions/times. > > So my questions are what are the capabilities of the KX3 in this > configuration for these modes, i.e. running at 3W and with heatsink > fitted? Should I expect the KX3 to be able to function in both modes TX > without issue, particularly relating to internal heat build-up, freq > stability)? Any thoughts on likely issue - pls ask for more details of > setup if required? > > 73's Gary K6YOA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 7 17:29:36 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 17:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Any KPA500 looking for a new home? Message-ID: <01b801d0890c$eb183730$c148a590$@aol.com> Let me know if you have a KPA500 that needs a new home. I already have one and I'm looking for a second to go along with the second K3 radio. Let me know condition, cables included and delivered price to VA. Thanks and 73 Bill W4RM Please use W4RM at AOL.COM as my primary account From bwruble at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:47:20 2015 From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 14:47:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 remote indication of KPA500 function Message-ID: <895E2D9C-57B2-4157-82FE-8B39F8569CD8@gmail.com> Hi all: I am running remotely using a K3/0 mini and RemoteRig. At the remote end is a K3, KPA500 and a KAT500, all working beautifully. I reloaded some parameters into my K3, and I have lost something. On the K3/0 mini, when I turned the power knob, I got an asterisk that indicated the remotely located KPA500 was on-line, in operate mode. I have lost that asterisk, and I cannot find reference to it in any of my manuals. Can anyone lead me to the way to turn it back on? Or a good manual reference? Tnx, 73 de Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From my iPad From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu May 7 19:00:21 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 23:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128920845.1406110.1431039621143.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The construction of the basic KX1 40/20 is not difficult and with less skills than K2. ?However, the LPF in the KXB3080 is quite a PTA. ?The manual does not give the sufficient forth warning to the builder. ?My review in eham net gave the details and areas to be paid attention: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3586 You would expect a lower power output after the installation of the KXB3080 (before and after comparison with my LP100A and RF probe) I would be happy to provide further details in the construction if some one is really going for it. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Phil Hystad ???? Elecraft Reflector Reflector ????? 2015?05?7? (??) 11:54 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX1??? My two bits on the KX1 and 80/30 option? I built the KX1 40/20 version and I didn?t think it was too difficult.? My only modern era kit building? preparation for the KX1 was building a Norcal 40A.? Although I wound my own toroids for the Norcal 40A, I chose the option of buying the ready made toroids for the KX1 (from the vendor whose contact info is on the Elecraft site).? Winding the toroids was the only part of the kit-building that I didn?t like doing when I did it with the 40A. I purchased the 80/30 kit primarily to get the 30 meter band but I had Don, W3FPR, do the 80/30 kit add on and he did his usual excellent work.? I have used the 80-meter portion only to check into an 80-meter CW net under QRP power a few times but using my home QTH and regular 80-meter dipole. Although every now and then I use the KX1 just for kicks, I usually rely on my KX3 for portable QRP operations.? Actually, I even fired up the Norcal 40A last week for just a single contact just to make sure that it still worked after cleaning the dust off of it. My KX1 though does work on 80 meters and I did not have much trouble matching the antenna but it was with using a very descent antenna whose normal area of lower SWR was around 3560 KHz where I made my net contacts.? I have never used the KX1 in portable operations with a compromise wire antenna and I probably never will. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 7, 2015, at 8:11 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > > In my opinion, the KX1 is a neat little package. But understand from the outset that it was designed for sleeping bags, picnic tables, and short-term fun.? If your intended use falls elsewhere, buy elsewhere. > > I would not recommend it for inexperienced builders or those with failing eyes and/or shaky hands. > > The 80/30 modification kit requires care and concentration. > > When completed, however, it's a satisfying piece of work, brilliantly designed. > > The builder's greatest dilemma involves the antenna connector . . . deciding what kind of antenna to attach.? The success of any QRP installation lies with the antenna.? Spend twice as much time and effort in researching that issue as you do in building the rig itself. > > 73, > > Kent? K9ZTV > > > On 5/6/2015 10:44 PM, Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft wrote: >> A good friend of mine is interested in purchasing a KX1? primarily for use >> on 80m. He would like to chat with someone who is familiar? with the radio >> before buying one especially the 80m coverage . >>? You can reach Jim W7LS directly _w7ls at blarg.net_ (mailto:w7ls at blarg.net) >>? Thank you >>? Alan KB7MBI >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu May 7 19:38:57 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 16:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1??? In-Reply-To: <1128920845.1406110.1431039621143.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1128920845.1406110.1431039621143.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554BF791.9020306@foothill.net> I built the KX1, 30 meter board [not the 3080], and KXAT2 primarily to take along on a cruise through the Panama Canal in 2005, Ft. Lauderdale to Los Angeles. Our cabin, only place they'd let me operate, was on the top deck, unfortunately on the port side of the ship [left side as you face the pointy part of the boat for the non-nauticals], and I basically heard nothing from NA. Lots of SA of course. I used a 1 Ah Li-poly, and it still had about 1/4 charge when we got home. KX1 build came after I built my K2 which included the KAT2 and SSB for which I've never gotten a mic. I would put the KX1 combo and K2 combo in the same category of "build-hardness," the K2 is a much larger project of course and took longer, but in terms of difficulty, the only thing I noticed about the KX1 was that more components were installed on the reverse side of the boards and I had to be careful I got that right. I can speak to 4-5 W on 80 CW with my K2 using a compromise field antenna ... I've only done it a handful of times ... QRP on 80 is hard. I'm happy with my 40/30/20 KX1. Dave, W8FGU, made me a very lightweight acrylic back to replace the metal one for Spartan Sprint. I don't think you can get the 30-only option anymore. KX1 is a shirt-pocket radio for those whose interest is back-packing with radio as a side activity along the way. It has a very cool LED lamp to light up your log at night. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/7/2015 4:00 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > The construction of the basic KX1 40/20 is not difficult and with > less skills than K2. However, the LPF in the KXB3080 is quite a PTA. > The manual does not give the sufficient forth warning to the builder. > My review in eham net gave the details and areas to be paid > attention: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3586 > > You would expect a lower power output after the installation of the > KXB3080 (before and after comparison with my LP100A and RF probe) I > would be happy to provide further details in the construction if some > one is really going for it. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu May 7 20:31:09 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 00:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 In-Reply-To: <554BF791.9020306@foothill.net> References: <554BF791.9020306@foothill.net> Message-ID: <867329319.1425123.1431045069483.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The addition of 30m band?does not require the construction of a new LPF?and?does not create any output power issue. The construction of KXAT1 was also easy unless you have to install the new LPF for KXB3080.??The construction of new LPF requires tight tolerance in the soldering?of a number of componments on the RF board and KXAT1 board.??These are not carefully and preciously mentioned in the?manual.? Without the KXB3080, KX1 can deliver 4-5W.? However, with the installation of KXB3080, you will possibly lose 1 W in most of the bands and?3W in 80m.? All measurement done by LP100A with a?Bird dummy load. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Fred Jensen ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?8? (??) 7:38 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX1??? I built the KX1, 30 meter board [not the 3080], and KXAT2 primarily to take along on a cruise through the Panama Canal in 2005, Ft. Lauderdale to Los Angeles.? Our cabin, only place they'd let me operate, was on the top deck, unfortunately on the port side of the ship [left side as you face the pointy part of the boat for the non-nauticals], and I basically heard nothing from NA.? Lots of SA of course.? I used a 1 Ah Li-poly, and it still had about 1/4 charge when we got home. KX1 build came after I built my K2 which included the KAT2 and SSB for which I've never gotten a mic.? I would put the KX1 combo and K2 combo in the same category of "build-hardness," the K2 is a much larger project of course and took longer, but in terms of difficulty, the only thing I noticed about the KX1 was that more components were installed on the reverse side of the boards and I had to be careful I got that right. I can speak to 4-5 W on 80 CW with my K2 using a compromise field antenna ... I've only done it a handful of times ... QRP on 80 is hard. ? I'm happy with my 40/30/20 KX1.? Dave, W8FGU, made me a very lightweight acrylic back to replace the metal one for Spartan Sprint.? I don't think you can get the 30-only option anymore. KX1 is a shirt-pocket radio for those whose interest is back-packing with radio as a side activity along the way.? It has a very cool LED lamp to light up your log at night. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/7/2015 4:00 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > The construction of the basic KX1 40/20 is not difficult and with > less skills than K2.? However, the LPF in the KXB3080 is quite a PTA. > The manual does not give the sufficient forth warning to the builder. > My review in eham net gave the details and areas to be paid > attention: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3586 > > You would expect a lower power output after the installation of the > KXB3080 (before and after comparison with my LP100A and RF probe) I > would be happy to provide further details in the construction if some > one is really going for it. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Thu May 7 22:15:16 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 19:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <554C1C34.3090902@hawkins-zhu.com> Thanks for the replies relating to JT65-HF and JT9 operation. I'm really hoping to get these modes running because with the high noise levels and very limited ability to put up any sort of antenna because of our HOA I see these modes as one of the few ways I can enjoy any form of DX from the home QTH. Clearly, the temperature compensation procedure is important for the KX3 but does it solve the issue completely or is the KX3 still not an ideal radio for these modes? The other consideration I have is ideally I'd like to have the capability to transmit in the 10 - 30W power range if necessary to operate weaker DX stations. In an ideal world, I'd pair the KX3 with KXPA100 under low drive but if the KX3 is not the right radio for JT65/JT9 then perhaps it would be better to buy another JT65/JT9 out-the-box ready rig for the home shack and keep the KX3 for portable ops (around 80 SOTA activations so far and counting). If you're operating JT65/JT9 successfully please let me know your radio/setup offline. Also, Don thanks for the pointer on the hunting with ALC=0. I did indeed see this but did not mention it in my earlier e-mail as I did not want to confuse/complicate the description of the basic problem. 73's Gary K6YOA On 5/7/2015 12:09 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Gary, I would certainly say that you should do the temp compensation > process, notwithstanding your enhanced heat sink. I did a bunch of > careful tests with my KX3 a couple of years ago. In fact, those > results were part of the early motivation for the development of the > compensation process. You can do them yourself if you have another > radio that can receive JT65 or WSPR. Just run the KX3 into a dummy > load and watch the trace showing its xmit frequency on the other > radio. In my case, there was a short burst of drift of about 18 hz > right after transmit started. This was pretty much independent of the > selected power output. > > Trying to use the KX3 for JT65 qsos, I got results exactly like yours. > I could receive, and occasionally make a contact, but not often, and > some contacts broke off in the middle. > > The heat sink will cool the output stage but my results seem to say > that heating is also causing a bit of drift somewhere else. All this > is evidently fixed by the refrigerator/heat-gun procedure devised by > Elecraft. Try it, and I think you'll be up and going. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Gary Hawkins > wrote: > > I've successfully setup my KX3 with HRD 5.4.28 and WSJT-X, using a > Signalink to interface audio to computer (my first attempt at > digital operation). > > Everything seems to work well on receive, and I can hear and > decode a good number of stations in both modes (WSJT-X will do > simultaneous decode of both JT65 and JT9 with BW set to 4kHz). > > While TX is functioning (running 3W, ALC=0, have not done temp > compensation but have VE7FMN heatsink), reception by other parties > has been difficult. Using JT65-HF I've had a couple of incomplete > QSOs - the receiving station has been able to decode and respond > at least initially. Using JT9 the one station I contacted > reported unable to decode, after trying on several different > occasions/times. > > So my questions are what are the capabilities of the KX3 in this > configuration for these modes, i.e. running at 3W and with > heatsink fitted? Should I expect the KX3 to be able to function > in both modes TX without issue, particularly relating to internal > heat build-up, freq stability)? Any thoughts on likely issue - > pls ask for more details of setup if required? > > 73's Gary K6YOA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 7 23:27:49 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 20:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554C1C34.3090902@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554C1C34.3090902@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <554C2D35.3070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,5/7/2015 7:15 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > In an ideal world, I'd pair the KX3 with KXPA100 under low drive but > if the KX3 is not the right radio for JT65/JT9 then perhaps it would > be better to buy another JT65/JT9 out-the-box ready rig for the home > shack and keep the KX3 for portable ops (around 80 SOTA activations so > far and counting). The ONLY shortcoming of the KX3 for JT65/JT9 is heating during the long TX cycle, which in practice limits its output to about 3W, and you want an aftermarket heat sink. Use that 3W to drive a KXPA100 to about 60W, and you've got an excellent radio. You would need to move up to a K3 to get better. and 60W is a LOT on JT65 and JT9. More power than that is used only on 160M, 6M, and weak signal modes like moonbounce. On HF, most JT65/JT9 is in the range of 5-30W. Temperature stability is only an issue on 6M and above. 73, Jim K9YC From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net Fri May 8 08:20:36 2015 From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 08:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util save config -- what does it save, exactly Message-ID: Can anyone enlighten me on what, exactly, the K3 Utility saves when it saves the radio configuration and what it restores when it restores the radio configuration? I thought it saved **everything**, the entire configuration, but some recent experiences have led me to suspect otherwise. Anyone? Thanks, Jeff n1kdo From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 8 08:42:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 08:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util save config -- what does it save, exactly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554CAF39.5010602@embarqmail.com> Jeff, Dick Deivendorff (the author of K3 Utility) answered for the KX3 in Dec 2013 on this list. The K3 Utility will be similar if not the same. I quote: Macros (command memories, CW memories, frequency memories) are not preserved in the saved configuration file. Only the data that is perturbed by a "parameter initialization" is preserved by save/restore. The configuration save file includes calibration data, which is specific to a serial number. Endquote. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/8/2015 8:20 AM, Jeffrey Otterson wrote: > Can anyone enlighten me on what, exactly, the K3 Utility saves when it > saves the radio configuration and what it restores when it restores the > radio configuration? > > I thought it saved **everything**, the entire configuration, but some > recent experiences have led me to suspect otherwise. > > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri May 8 09:54:22 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 13:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Using KX3 in DMR or other digital voice mode Message-ID: <414136876.1775438.1431093262085.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> There is I/Q output from KX3 and a 2m transverter as well. ?Can KX3 be operated in digital voice mode such as DMR or D star with the help of decoding software in PC? Digital voice mode becomes popular in V or U. Any ideas? 73 Johnny VR2XMC From w4rks73 at gmail.com Fri May 8 10:55:38 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Message-ID: I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. 73, Jim W4RKS. From gerry at w1ve.com Fri May 8 14:34:11 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:34:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX1 40-30-20m, Auto Tuner, internal battery case... Message-ID: Picture here: http://www.w1ve.com/kx1.png Before I put this on eBay, thought I'd ask here. I'm 2nd owner -- I made about 25 QSOs with it -- I use my K3 much more. First $290 to my paypal account gets it Priority mail. Check my ebay feedback (I'm w1ve there). PM me if you want it and I'll send my paypal address. 73, Gerry W1VE Hancock, NH From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri May 8 15:58:24 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 15:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite at Dayton Message-ID: <82F82ACF38544415B64517A6B47C4407@tomsPC> Hello K3 and KX3 users, If you are in Dayton at the HamVention, please come and check out Win4K3Suite in booth NH0189, about 4 booths down from Elecraft. You will be able to see it in action with both LPPAN and the P3. In addition, Win4K3Suite will be fully interfaced with Ham Radio Deluxe, N1MM, DXLabs, CWSkimmer and others. There is a free fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com Looking forward to meet many of you. 73 Tom --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From jbollit at outlook.com Fri May 8 18:09:15 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:09:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also agree with K4TV. I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on the bands. I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by K6XX and K9YC that show the various popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted spectrum. I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal which then could be to the others on the pan-adaptor. My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests. This mini contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at the same time. I sent emails to nine different people this week. Three (3) people did not responsed to my email Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about their transmitted sitnal Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to further research the matter for the model number radio they had. One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 milliseconds. Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Wilson Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. 73, Jim W4RKS. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From w6jhb at me.com Fri May 8 18:21:17 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 15:21:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A1CBEA2-2073-481D-A2D5-CCE49BDDB5D8@me.com> Hi Jim - not necessarily difficult to draw ANY conclusions - one conclusion I see is that there are at least three people who need to have their license revoked. :-) Jim / W6JHB > On Friday, May 8, 2015, at Friday, 3:09 PM, jim wrote: > > I also agree with K4TV. > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on > the bands. I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > spectrum. I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal > which then could be to the others on the pan-adaptor. > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests. This mini > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at > the same time. > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted sitnal > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > milliseconds. > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri May 8 18:54:11 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 22:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <8A1CBEA2-2073-481D-A2D5-CCE49BDDB5D8@me.com> References: <8A1CBEA2-2073-481D-A2D5-CCE49BDDB5D8@me.com> Message-ID: <1590488571.1850933.1431125651439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello?Jim, I concur with?you.? I would think they deliberately do that to kick away others especially during contest. In the voice mode, I heard quite a number of stations?put their speech compression all the way?up. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? James Bennett ???? Elecraft Reflector Reflector ????? 2015?05?9? (??) 6:21 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Hi Jim - not necessarily difficult to draw ANY conclusions - one conclusion I see is that there are at least three people who need to have their license revoked. :-) Jim / W6JHB > On? Friday, May 8, 2015, at? Friday, 3:09 PM, jim wrote: > > I also agree with K4TV. > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on > the bands.? I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > spectrum.? I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal > which then could be? to the others on the pan-adaptor.? > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests.? This mini > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at > the same time. > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted sitnal > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > milliseconds. > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Fri May 8 19:12:14 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 20:12:14 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1590488571.1850933.1431125651439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8A1CBEA2-2073-481D-A2D5-CCE49BDDB5D8@me.com> <1590488571.1850933.1431125651439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554D42CE.8020707@horizon.co.fk> But could you understand them? Not uncommon to hear transmissions with guys CQing away and no-one answering them because either their DVK recording is so bad or the compression is so high you can hear their dog barking, pots clattering, the kids crying, TV and a roar from the amp blower and PC fans. A constant S9 with only a little increase when they talk. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 08/05/2015 19:54, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Jim, > I concur with you. I would think they deliberately do that to kick away others especially during contest. > In the voice mode, I heard quite a number of stations put their speech compression all the way up. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 8 19:27:30 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 19:27:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554D42CE.8020707@horizon.co.fk> References: <8A1CBEA2-2073-481D-A2D5-CCE49BDDB5D8@me.com> <1590488571.1850933.1431125651439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554D42CE.8020707@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <554D4662.4060403@embarqmail.com> I agree, there are some "contesters" who are nothing but noise on the band. It is unfortunate that some (many) who do not care to provide a clean signal. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/8/2015 7:12 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > But could you understand them? Not uncommon to hear transmissions > with guys CQing away and no-one answering them because either their > DVK recording is so bad or the compression is so high you can hear > their dog barking, pots clattering, the kids crying, TV and a roar > from the amp blower and PC fans. A constant S9 with only a little > increase when they talk. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > > > On 08/05/2015 19:54, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello Jim, >> I concur with you. I would think they deliberately do that to kick >> away others especially during contest. >> In the voice mode, I heard quite a number of stations put their >> speech compression all the way up. >> 73 From k5hm.ron at gmail.com Fri May 8 19:29:34 2015 From: k5hm.ron at gmail.com (K5HM) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 18:29:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Installing Sub Receiver Message-ID: <010a01d089e6$d8ccd3d0$8a667b70$@gmail.com> I am down to the part where I put the Sub receiver enclosure into the K3 and mate with the pins connecting the Subin and Subout boards to the enclosure. But - Once I set it in the rig, I can't see if the pins on these connectors are properly aligned. There is not a good viewing angle It looks ok but I could be off to one side by a pin or two or miss the connector altogether. The long screws that pass all the way through the enclosure, mate up with the standoff on the main receiver board. Any way to know if I did it right before I complete the installation and plug it in? 73, Ron, K5HM k5hm.ron at gmail.com www.qrz.com/db/k5hm ??????? Excelsior! From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Fri May 8 19:34:38 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 16:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Installing Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: <010a01d089e6$d8ccd3d0$8a667b70$@gmail.com> References: <010a01d089e6$d8ccd3d0$8a667b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I removed the left side panel to verify SubRX pin alignment. There may be other opinions on this too. 73, matt W6NIA On Fri, 8 May 2015 18:29:34 -0500, you wrote: >I am down to the part where I put the Sub receiver enclosure into the K3 and >mate with the pins connecting the Subin and Subout boards to the enclosure. >But - Once I set it in the rig, I can't see if the pins on these connectors >are properly aligned. There is not a good viewing angle It looks ok but I >could be off to one side by a pin or two or miss the connector altogether. >The long screws that pass all the way through the enclosure, mate up with >the standoff on the main receiver board. > >Any way to know if I did it right before I complete the installation and >plug it in? > >73, >Ron, K5HM >k5hm.ron at gmail.com >www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > >??????? Excelsior! > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri May 8 19:56:25 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 16:56:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 voice compression very impressive Message-ID: Last weekend I took my KX3 on a backpacking trip in Henry Coe State Park and activated Willson Peak (W6/NC-182) for Summits on the Air (SOTA). It was lovely to operate in such an RF quiet spot. https://www.flickr.com/photos/walter_underwood/17417496311/in/album-72157652448882921/ In eight 5W SSB contacts on 20m, every report was 5x. Two reports were 52 and one was 51. The rest were 55 except for a 56 from a mountaintopper on the other side of the valley. I know there was QSB, because it took three tries for one op to get me in her log. My antenna was a 26? wire thrown over a tree and a 16? wire on the ground. I used the DVR technique to set it up at home ? A/B testing settings between the two buffers and choosing the best each time. I adjusted my TX EQ according to K9YC?s advice, which closely matched other reputable advice. I?m really impressed that a 5W voice signal was completely readable even with 51 and 52 reports. Nice work, Elecraft. I was also very happy at how light the KX3 is. Look at some of the other photos in that albums and you?ll see why. Henry Coe is famously steep. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From gerry at w1ve.com Fri May 8 20:00:10 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 20:00:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX1 40-30-20m, Auto Tuner, internal battery case... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: KX1 is sold. What a pile-up! Thanks for all the inquires. 73, Gerry W1VE Hancock, NH Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373 AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: > Picture here: http://www.w1ve.com/kx1.png > > Before I put this on eBay, thought I'd ask here. I'm 2nd owner -- I made > about 25 QSOs with it -- I use my K3 much more. First $290 to my paypal > account gets it Priority mail. > Check my ebay feedback (I'm w1ve there). PM me if you want it and I'll > send my paypal address. > > 73, Gerry W1VE > Hancock, NH > > From davidahrendts at me.com Fri May 8 20:18:22 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 17:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding Message-ID: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Do I need to mount an external antenna switch to ground the unused antenna, which is not desirable because of the KAT500?s ability to memorize frequencies and tuner corrections per antenna? David A., KC0XT, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri May 8 20:36:34 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 17:36:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 voice compression very impressive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5067F100-64AA-4BFE-A639-C07A9CAB44D4@wunderwood.org> Funny, I zoomed in on my photo and you can read the display: PRE on, NR off, NB off, filters all the way wide, and background noise S2. Sweet. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 8, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Last weekend I took my KX3 on a backpacking trip in Henry Coe State Park and activated Willson Peak (W6/NC-182) for Summits on the Air (SOTA). It was lovely to operate in such an RF quiet spot. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/walter_underwood/17417496311/in/album-72157652448882921/ > > In eight 5W SSB contacts on 20m, every report was 5x. Two reports were 52 and one was 51. The rest were 55 except for a 56 from a mountaintopper on the other side of the valley. I know there was QSB, because it took three tries for one op to get me in her log. My antenna was a 26? wire thrown over a tree and a 16? wire on the ground. > > I used the DVR technique to set it up at home ? A/B testing settings between the two buffers and choosing the best each time. I adjusted my TX EQ according to K9YC?s advice, which closely matched other reputable advice. > > I?m really impressed that a 5W voice signal was completely readable even with 51 and 52 reports. Nice work, Elecraft. > > I was also very happy at how light the KX3 is. Look at some of the other photos in that albums and you?ll see why. Henry Coe is famously steep. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From karlerb7 at gmail.com Fri May 8 20:41:47 2015 From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 20:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F57DAA8-ED15-4222-AC09-FFB16D0C18BA@gmail.com> > > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted signal > > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM > > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James > Wilson > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and > over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have > considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. > > 73, > > Jim W4RKS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to karlerb7 at gmail.com From jackbrindle at me.com Fri May 8 20:41:56 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 17:41:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> References: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> Message-ID: <514687E6-9A0F-4FA2-A11A-A6BAA640356B@me.com> I can answer that. The KPA500 does not ground unselected antennas. Nor does it ground selected antennas. ;-) (OK, it?s Friday. Even we Elecrafters let our hair down on Friday?) - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On May 8, 2015, at 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Do I need to mount an external antenna switch to ground the unused antenna, which is not desirable because of the KAT500?s ability to memorize frequencies and tuner corrections per antenna? > > David A., KC0XT, Los Angeles > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From sales at elecraft.com Fri May 8 21:29:26 2015 From: sales at elecraft.com (Lisa Jones - Elecraft Sales) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 18:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Booth Help Message-ID: <554D62F6.3090101@elecraft.com> Dayton Hamvention is only a few days away. As usual we could use some of your enthusiastic help at the booth. Thank you to those who have offered so far, but we could really use a few more of you to help answer questions and share your enthusiasm at the booth. Please email me directly, lisa at elecraft.com, if you can help out for a few hours- any of the 3 days is helpful. If you are not sure at this time, you can always just stop by the booth and we'll put you to work. I see a hat or T-shirt or coffee ( maybe even an ice cream bar if it heats up!) in your future :) We will have Booth Volunteer Badges this year to attach to your Dayton badge. Look forward to hearing from you. Lisa -- Lisa Jones Elecraft, Inc. (831) 763-4211 From dave at nk7z.net Fri May 8 22:13:21 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 19:13:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Jim, Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when they were just strong, not wide. When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, at the same time. That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I listed. I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 15:09 -0700, jim wrote: > I also agree with K4TV. > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on > the bands. I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > spectrum. I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal > which then could be to the others on the pan-adaptor. > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests. This mini > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at > the same time. > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted sitnal > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > milliseconds. > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM > > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James > Wilson > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and > over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have > considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. > > 73, > > Jim W4RKS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri May 8 22:41:10 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 05:41:10 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Installing Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: <010a01d089e6$d8ccd3d0$8a667b70$@gmail.com> References: <010a01d089e6$d8ccd3d0$8a667b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B137A39-1D6C-4BD7-B2B7-8D614F1FA917@gmail.com> Take off the left side panel and use a flashlight to illuminate the connectors. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 9, 2015, at 2:29 AM, K5HM wrote: > > I am down to the part where I put the Sub receiver enclosure into the K3 and > mate with the pins connecting the Subin and Subout boards to the enclosure. > But - Once I set it in the rig, I can't see if the pins on these connectors > are properly aligned. There is not a good viewing angle It looks ok but I > could be off to one side by a pin or two or miss the connector altogether. > The long screws that pass all the way through the enclosure, mate up with > the standoff on the main receiver board. > > Any way to know if I did it right before I complete the installation and > plug it in? > > 73, > Ron, K5HM > k5hm.ron at gmail.com > www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > > Excelsior! From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 8 22:52:26 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 02:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Installing Sub Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1408905075.3071171.1431139946578.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I did the same, it makes it a lot easier From: Matt Zilmer To: K5HM Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Installing Sub Receiver I removed the left side panel to verify SubRX pin alignment.? There may be other opinions on this too. 73, matt W6NIA On Fri, 8 May 2015 18:29:34 -0500, you wrote: >I am down to the part where I put the Sub receiver enclosure into the K3 and >mate with the pins connecting the Subin and Subout boards to the enclosure. >But - Once I set it in the rig, I can't see if the pins on these connectors >are properly aligned.? There is not a good viewing angle? It looks ok but I >could be off to one side by a pin or two or miss the connector altogether. >The long screws that pass all the way through the enclosure,? mate up with >the standoff on the main receiver board. > >Any way to know if I did it right before I complete the installation and >plug it in?? > >73, >Ron, K5HM >k5hm.ron at gmail.com >www.qrz.com/db/k5hm > >??????? Excelsior! > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place."? -R. Heinlein ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 9 02:23:58 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 23:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: . My "testing" was using CW mode only. I do include a snapshot from the P3 pan-adapter when I send the person a mail. In all cases, the screenshot had signals that are stronger than the one I question and did not show phase and Key Klick issues. This is EXTREMELY easy to find and point out with stations that run the CWT during the week. There you can find a good number of signals that are over 1.4 kHz in width and the jitter on the sidebands jumps out at you. The strength of the signals are no greater than -65 dBm on the pan adapter. What is interesting is that the stations in question had a Yaesu or Icom listed or shown on their QRZ page. Take a look at the upcoming CWT test this week. The contest runs from 19:00 to 20;00 Zulu on May 13 and 03:00 to 04:00 Zulu on May 14. You will see the stations I am talking about, clear as day on your P3. The CW part of Sweepstakes is also unreal. There are stations that deliberately run the rise times at < 5 mSec to make sure they have elbow room. People have used old Drake transmitters with modified waveform shaping values (easy to find and change values) to make sure they are wide (Key Klicks), and then use a K3 as their receiver. BTW, David, I have not heard you on CW, and have no idea of your signal quality. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:13 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Hi Jim, Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when they were just strong, not wide. When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, at the same time. That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I listed. I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 15:09 -0700, jim wrote: > I also agree with K4TV. > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on > the bands. I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > spectrum. I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal > which then could be to the others on the pan-adaptor. > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests. This mini > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at > the same time. > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted sitnal > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > milliseconds. > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM > > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James > Wilson > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and > over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have > considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. > > 73, > > Jim W4RKS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 9 07:21:04 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 04:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <1431170464.14866.28.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Jim, Thanks for the expansion here. If you do see me on CW sometime, please do shoot me a report! It is difficult of late to get reports from people that actually know what they are doing when they report things. I tend to only work DX, which is probably why we have not worked CW yet. I contest, but never even thought of intentionally widening my signal to keep others out... Sigh... As I said, ham radio is not like it used to be... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 23:23 -0700, jim wrote: > . > > My "testing" was using CW mode only. > > I do include a snapshot from the P3 pan-adapter when I send the person a > mail. > > In all cases, the screenshot had signals that are stronger than the one I > question and did not show phase and Key Klick issues. This is EXTREMELY > easy to find and point out with stations that run the CWT during the week. > There you can find a good number of signals that are over 1.4 kHz in width > and the jitter on the sidebands jumps out at you. > > The strength of the signals are no greater than -65 dBm on the pan adapter. > > What is interesting is that the stations in question had a Yaesu or Icom > listed or shown on their QRZ page. > > Take a look at the upcoming CWT test this week. The contest runs from 19:00 > to 20;00 Zulu on May 13 and 03:00 to 04:00 Zulu on May 14. You will see the > stations I am talking about, clear as day on your P3. > > The CW part of Sweepstakes is also unreal. There are stations that > deliberately run the rise times at < 5 mSec to make sure they have elbow > room. People have used old Drake transmitters with modified waveform > shaping values (easy to find and change values) to make sure they are wide > (Key Klicks), and then use a K3 as their receiver. > > BTW, David, I have not heard you on CW, and have no idea of your signal > quality. > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David > Cole > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:13 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > > Hi Jim, > > Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and how > strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were you > running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. > > I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when they > were just strong, not wide. > > When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a > snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the > offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is > different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, at > the same time. > > That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I listed. > > I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not care... > Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... > > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 15:09 -0700, jim wrote: > > I also agree with K4TV. > > > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard > on > > the bands. I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them > via > > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > > spectrum. I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their > signal > > which then could be to the others on the pan-adaptor. > > > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests. This mini > > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals > at > > the same time. > > > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > > their transmitted sitnal > > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going > to > > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > > milliseconds. > > > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > . > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > James > > Wilson > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM > > To: Elecraft > > Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > > > I have to agree with Joe, K4TV in that use of super wide audio and > > over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have > > considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested > bands. > > > > 73, > > > > Jim W4RKS. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 10:14:41 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have seen that as well (people telling others they are wide etc when they are not. I was one night listening to some guys on ESSB with great sounding signals and watching them on the P3, but another station comes up tight?to them and start complaining they were wiping them out etc. I dialed down on to the complainers freq and I could not hear the ESSB guys at all. As for people responding "They don't care" some of that comes from?far too many trying to assert some imaginary authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or below the speed limit in the passing lane). In time they just stop caring because so many times the person accusing them of being wide etc is either a busybody or does not have their own gear set up right. Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) become closed to true constructive criticism and they go on with a poor signal.? From: David Cole To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters Hi Jim, Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading?? Were you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when they were just strong, not wide. When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the offending signal.? That way the person knows that his/her signal is different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, at the same time.? That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I listed. I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not care...? Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 15:09 -0700, jim wrote: > I also agree with K4TV. > > I did a little experiment concerning the "poor" signals that I have heard on > the bands.? I only looked at CW as that is my mode of choice. > > When I "saw" a poor signal, I looked them up on QRZ.com and advised them via > e-mail, of their signal quality, and attached the two articles authored by > K6XX and K9YC that show the various > popular radios currently on the market and their corresponding transmitted > spectrum.? I also took a "snapshot" of the P3 display, showing their signal > which then could be? to the others on the pan-adaptor.? > > My efforts to accomplish this took place during the CWT tests.? This mini > contest lent itself to showing a significant number of different signals at > the same time. > > I sent emails to nine different people this week. > > Three (3) people did not responsed to my email > Three (3) people came back to me stating they did not care at all about > their transmitted sitnal > Two (2) people were concerned/interested about their signal and was going to > further research the matter for the model number radio they had. > One (1)person was going to send his radio back to the mfg'er for an > update/mod and to change the mfg'er out out of box setting to 10 > milliseconds. > > Difficult to draw any conclusions from this small sample size, but people > with a wider xmit signal do have more **elnoww room** > > Jim > W6AIM > > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James > Wilson > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 7:56 AM > To: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > I have to agree with Joe, K4TV? in that use of super wide audio and > over-driven amplifiers are in poor taste. Look at your P3, Some have > considerable "other" sideband and run 10 to 12 KHz wide on congested bands. > > 73, > > Jim W4RKS. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w9kh at att.net Sat May 9 10:43:28 2015 From: w9kh at att.net (Kevin Hulina) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 09:43:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out Message-ID: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> I finally figured out why i wasn't getting rx audio on my newly built K2. I would take it apart, and it would work when I was troubleshooting it. Put it back together and I had no rx audio. So, I started putting it together 1 screw at a time and found the point where I lost rx audio. U6 on the control board was coming into contact with the board for the vfo encoder. When i would take the screws out of the control board, it would let it away from the front board enough for it to work. I cut down a couple standoffs to be about 1/16" longer than the stock ones with the kit and it holds the control board off just enough to no longer cause a problem. I sent this to Elecraft support as well. Maybe something very minor changed with one of the components nearby that is causing one of the boards to sit ever so slightly different. Now I can get back to trying to tune it up! W9KH Kevin From neilz at techie.com Sat May 9 10:48:07 2015 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 10:48:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554C2D35.3070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554B9CB0.4010401@hawkins-zhu.com> <554C1C34.3090902@hawkins-zhu.com> <554C2D35.3070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <554E1E27.2010600@techie.com> FWIW ... I did the temperature compensation routine and added an aftermarket heatsink to my KX3. I can transmit JT65 at 10 w without hitting the HiTemp issue. I decided to add some additional cooling, so I yanked an old 12v CPU cooler out of one of the old desktop computer cases I have laying around, soldered on a few powerpole connectors, and have that sitting on top of the KX3 to provide extra cooling. No HiTemp problems on JT9 with that running at all. At 5 to 10 watts, I've hit all continents except for Asia, and that's more an issue with my antenna than with the radio, as I can QSO with Australia at 5 w on JT65 if I hear them. This is from Southwest PA near Pittsburgh. Neil KN3ILZ On 05/07/15 11:27 pm, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,5/7/2015 7:15 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: >> In an ideal world, I'd pair the KX3 with KXPA100 under low drive but >> if the KX3 is not the right radio for JT65/JT9 then perhaps it would >> be better to buy another JT65/JT9 out-the-box ready rig for the home >> shack and keep the KX3 for portable ops (around 80 SOTA activations >> so far and counting). > > The ONLY shortcoming of the KX3 for JT65/JT9 is heating during the > long TX cycle, which in practice limits its output to about 3W, and > you want an aftermarket heat sink. Use that 3W to drive a KXPA100 to > about 60W, and you've got an excellent radio. You would need to move > up to a K3 to get better. and 60W is a LOT on JT65 and JT9. More power > than that is used only on 160M, 6M, and weak signal modes like > moonbounce. On HF, most JT65/JT9 is in the range of 5-30W. > > Temperature stability is only an issue on 6M and above. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > From n4rp at n4rp.com Sat May 9 10:52:23 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 10:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out In-Reply-To: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> References: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> Message-ID: <554E1F27.3050705@n4rp.com> Sounds like you left out a couple of washers that should have given you the proper spacing with the original standoffs... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/9/2015 10:43 AM, Kevin Hulina wrote: > I finally figured out why i wasn't getting rx audio on my newly built > K2. I would take it apart, and it would work when I was > troubleshooting it. Put it back together and I had no rx audio. So, I > started putting it together 1 screw at a time and found the point > where I lost rx audio. U6 on the control board was coming into > contact with the board for the vfo encoder. When i would take the > screws out of the control board, it would let it away from the front > board enough for it to work. I cut down a couple standoffs to be > about 1/16" longer than the stock ones with the kit and it holds the > control board off just enough to no longer cause a problem. > I sent this to Elecraft support as well. Maybe something very minor > changed with one of the components nearby that is causing one of the > boards to sit ever so slightly different. > Now I can get back to trying to tune it up! > > W9KH > Kevin > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 10:56:03 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 10:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 Message-ID: <1ce841.47cbde82.427f7a03@aol.com> Further to my earlier note about driving the KPA500 with the KX3 on 6 meters, I've done some more experimenting, and find that since the KX3 is incapable of overdriving the amp, it's best to disable the KX3 ALC. With this done, 8 watts CW from the KX3 produces 210 watts output from the KPA500, which is loafing at this power level. 73 Ray W2RS From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sat May 9 11:28:38 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 11:28:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out In-Reply-To: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> References: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> Message-ID: <003301d08a6c$d39df570$7ad9e050$@gamewood.net> Reminds me of a PC I was upgrading back when BIOS was in EPROM. Worked fine until I put the top on the case. After several tries I reached over and turned off the lights. It quit! EPROM required light stimulation to work, it would not work in the dark! Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Hulina Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 10:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out I finally figured out why i wasn't getting rx audio on my newly built K2. I would take it apart, and it would work when I was troubleshooting it. Put it back together and I had no rx audio. So, I started putting it together 1 screw at a time and found the point where I lost rx audio. U6 on the control board was coming into contact with the board for the vfo encoder. When i would take the screws out of the control board, it would let it away from the front board enough for it to work. I cut down a couple standoffs to be about 1/16" longer than the stock ones with the kit and it holds the control board off just enough to no longer cause a problem. I sent this to Elecraft support as well. Maybe something very minor changed with one of the components nearby that is causing one of the boards to sit ever so slightly different. Now I can get back to trying to tune it up! W9KH Kevin ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 11:59:10 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 15:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1ce841.47cbde82.427f7a03@aol.com> References: <1ce841.47cbde82.427f7a03@aol.com> Message-ID: <1497477185.903527.1431187150288.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I recently got the KX3 for a portable rig, and never put much though into using it with my KPA300 Thanks for your testing. From: Ray W2RS via Elecraft To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 10:56 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + KPA500 Further to my earlier note about driving the KPA500 with the KX3 on 6? meters, I've done some more experimenting, and find that since the KX3 is? incapable of overdriving? the amp, it's best to disable the KX3 ALC.? With this done, 8 watts CW from the KX3 produces 210 watts output from the? KPA500, which is loafing at this power level. 73 Ray W2RS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 12:02:35 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554E1E27.2010600@techie.com> References: <554E1E27.2010600@techie.com> Message-ID: <408121650.3263863.1431187355646.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Just curious how is the New and improved Stock Heatsink from Elecraft? I just got my KX3 and have not had time to try it out in the digital modes From: Neil Zampella To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues FWIW ... I did the temperature compensation routine and added an aftermarket heatsink to my KX3.? I can transmit JT65 at 10 w without hitting the HiTemp issue.? I decided to add some additional cooling, so I yanked an old 12v CPU cooler out of one of the old desktop computer cases I have laying around, soldered on a few powerpole connectors, and have that sitting on top of the KX3 to provide extra cooling.? No HiTemp problems on JT9 with that running at all. At 5 to 10 watts, I've hit all continents except for Asia, and that's more an issue with my antenna than with the radio, as I can QSO with Australia at 5 w on JT65 if I hear them.? ? This is from Southwest PA near Pittsburgh. Neil KN3ILZ On 05/07/15 11:27 pm, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,5/7/2015 7:15 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: >> In an ideal world, I'd pair the KX3 with KXPA100 under low drive but >> if the KX3 is not the right radio for JT65/JT9 then perhaps it would >> be better to buy another JT65/JT9 out-the-box ready rig for the home >> shack and keep the KX3 for portable ops (around 80 SOTA activations >> so far and counting). > > The ONLY shortcoming of the KX3 for JT65/JT9 is heating during the > long TX cycle, which in practice limits its output to about 3W, and > you want an aftermarket heat sink. Use that 3W to drive a KXPA100 to > about 60W, and you've got an excellent radio. You would need to move > up to a K3 to get better. and 60W is a LOT on JT65 and JT9. More power > than that is used only on 160M, 6M, and weak signal modes like > moonbounce. On HF, most JT65/JT9 is in the range of 5-30W. > > Temperature stability is only an issue on 6M and above. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 12:16:15 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] UT5JCW 144MHz Transverter In-Reply-To: <554B52D6.1050401@df9dd.de> References: <554B52D6.1050401@df9dd.de> Message-ID: <346725947.3294020.1431188176004.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I had one of the 2 meter ones they were selling a couple of years ago (I used it with a different radio) It took some effort to get it to work with a 1mw input (but it looks like they have that corrected in the new version). It actually worked well, I did make a pseudo crystal oven for it my soldering a thermistor to the top of the xtal and running?the?thermistorfrom an 8v (poss 9v) voltage regulator. I then put some a layer of Styrofoam around the Crystal and ?thermistor?(above and below the board).? I enclosed it all in a small aluminum box that doubled as the heatsink. I sold it and the guy who I sold it to told me it worked as good as his Downeast Microwave Transverter, but I had no way of comparing so I'm taking his word at it. That being Said I have the Internal Two meter Transverter in my K3 and while it does cost a little more It did make for a cleaner install plus you can add the ref-lock board to lock it to the main oscillator. Hope that helps? From: DF9DD To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 7:56 AM Subject: [Elecraft] UT5JCW 144MHz Transverter who has a 144 MHz transverter from ut5jcw connected to the K3 and can tell me his experiences? Would I be happy if I could get an indication about the wiring between K3 and the transverter. vy 73 de DF9DD ? ? ? ? ? Eckhard ("Ed") ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat May 9 12:18:02 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:18:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY contesting with KX3 and KXPA100 Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD49B3C6@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> On the subject of JT65 and the KX3 heat compensation with high duty cycle dig..I am curious. Has anyone done a contest like NAQP RTTY with a KX3, particularly if you have the newer Elecraft based heat sink mod that was implemented in Dec 14? I was wondering if the heat protection will kick in with a fairly aggressive cq rate in 2 scenarios: 1. qrp at 5 w 2. with the KXPA100 at higher power Looking for a general idea of the tolerance of the KX3 itself and also if it can maintain max drive of the KXPA100 with a moderately high duty cycle . (AFSK for now..) I have put together a KX3/KXPA100 setup for IOTA and to travel with me to CE3, and want to make sure I understand my real world limitations and tolerances. Appreciate hearing real world experience, as well as opinions based on the tolerances of the rig/amp if I decide to jump into a contest like NAQP domestically, and internationally from the Santiago CE qth. Thanks in advance for your feedback. (oh and yes, I am a contester, and yes, I am very observant of my signal quality : -). Please let's not go there.) Thanks Chris N6WM From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat May 9 13:34:08 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 12:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > As for people responding "They don't care" some of that >comes from?far too many trying to assert some imaginary >authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or >below the speed limit in the passing lane). Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves? >In time they just stop caring because so many times the >person accusing them of being wide etc is either a >busybody or >does not have their own gear set up right. >Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because >now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) >become closed to true constructive criticism and they go >on with a poor signal. So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands or go our merry way by spinning the knob? I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an actual complaint. The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" the worst. You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, I hope, why put up with it on the radio? Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year banning from a contest would get their attention. Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be welcomed with open arms. We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark. I've sworn off ANY and ALL Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did. The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the worse the problem gets. Someone else can use the soapbox now. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 9 13:40:08 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 10:40:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1431193208.14866.30.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Become an OO -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-09 at 12:34 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote: > On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) > Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > > As for people responding "They don't care" some of that >comes from far too many trying to assert some imaginary >authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or >below the speed limit in the passing lane). > > Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves? > > >In time they just stop caring because so many times the >person accusing them of being wide etc is either a >busybody or >does not have their own gear set up right. >Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because >now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) >become closed to true constructive criticism and they go >on with a poor signal. > > So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands or go our merry way by spinning the knob? > > I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an actual complaint. > > The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" the worst. > > You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, I hope, why put up with it on the radio? > > Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year banning from a contest would get their attention. > > Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be welcomed with open arms. > > We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark. I've sworn off ANY and ALL Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did. > > The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the worse the problem gets. > > Someone else can use the soapbox now. > From cf at cfcorp.com Sat May 9 14:19:05 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 11:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <514687E6-9A0F-4FA2-A11A-A6BAA640356B@me.com> References: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> <514687E6-9A0F-4FA2-A11A-A6BAA640356B@me.com> Message-ID: <00b001d08a84$a2733600$e759a200$@com> I'm in a similar situation. Love the KAT500 (especially with the KPA500 and Kenwood TS-940). Already have an Ameritron remote antenna switch, so not using the switching on the KAT500 (except for a switching in a dummy load). The solution I've come up with is to have an Arduino monitor the radio frequency/band data and have it switch the antenna. However, I doubt that the Ameritron switch grounds the unused ports. The DX Engineering remote switches appear to have this as an option. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brindle Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:42 PM To: David Ahrendts Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding I can answer that. The KPA500 does not ground unselected antennas. Nor does it ground selected antennas. ;-) (OK, it?s Friday. Even we Elecrafters let our hair down on Friday?) - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On May 8, 2015, at 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Do I need to mount an external antenna switch to ground the unused antenna, which is not desirable because of the KAT500?s ability to memorize frequencies and tuner corrections per antenna? > > David A., KC0XT, Los Angeles > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From paul.w2le at gmail.com Sat May 9 14:21:49 2015 From: paul.w2le at gmail.com (W2LE) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 14:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Intermittent no rx signal Message-ID: <554E503D.7000509@gmail.com> Has anyone else seen this happen? K3 sn 1114 5.14, with sub rx, not using QSK Just put in the two KSYN3UPG boards and sometimes (maybe happening once in 30 CW contest QSOs) there is no receive signal after going from xmit to receive - no recv audio and no S meter activity. But the P3 is showing the signals, in this case S7 to S9. Tapping the sub button brings the main receiver back to life. Help Paul Franson W2LE From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 9 14:48:55 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 11:48:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> References: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> Message-ID: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,5/8/2015 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Several MAJOR points of confusion here. First, what do you mean by "grounding?" Do you mean shorting the coax? Second, because any transmission line transforms the impedance by an amount determined entirely by its electrical length, shorting the coax in the shack will only short the antenna if the line is some multiple of half-waves long AT THE FREQUENCY WHERE INTERACTION IS THE CONCERN. Not only that, an OPEN in the shack would be transformed to a short at the antenna if the line were some odd number of quarter-wavelengths. So -- if you're going to implement that switch in the shack, you need to MEASURE the electrical length of the transmission line to that MA5B to pretty good accuracy. If you don't own a good VIA or VNA, find someone who has an AIM or VNWA and have them measure it for you. With that information, use TLW (comes on the ARRL Antenna Book CD) or SimSmith (free Smith Chart program, runs in Java) to figure out how much coax to add or subtract to put the short or open. 73, Jim K9YC From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat May 9 15:24:14 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 05:24:14 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out In-Reply-To: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> References: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> Message-ID: <9B2DE79E-34F0-4425-AB44-369F7075EFFA@gmail.com> Someone else on this list recently experienced the exact same problem after he had opened up his rig to install a KDSP2. I think a bit of insulating tape fixed it for good. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 10 May 2015, at 12:43 am, Kevin Hulina wrote: > > I finally figured out why i wasn't getting rx audio on my newly built K2. I would take it apart, and it would work when I was troubleshooting it. Put it back together and I had no rx audio. So, I started putting it together 1 screw at a time and found the point where I lost rx audio. U6 on the control board was coming into contact with the board for the vfo encoder. When i would take the screws out of the control board, it would let it away from the front board enough for it to work. I cut down a couple standoffs to be about 1/16" longer than the stock ones with the kit and it holds the control board off just enough to no longer cause a problem. > I sent this to Elecraft support as well. Maybe something very minor changed with one of the components nearby that is causing one of the boards to sit ever so slightly different. > Now I can get back to trying to tune it up! > > W9KH > Kevin > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Sat May 9 15:48:52 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 14:48:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> This thread sounds - in part - a bit like junior high batches of mentality. I'm not sure that this discussion line is appropriate for the Elecraft reflector. Perhaps a better long term approach to more good signals on the air is to recruit a few knowledgeable engineers or advanced hams (tech wise) that could provide the theory, tutorials on how to set up and measure/test quality signals. Quality for some may stay in the eye of the beholder for some anyway. These high quality tutorials/pieces of info, on a web page or as pdf files, could be made available for individuals, clubs and perhaps also find their way into the magazines and other publications. I've not studied the subject in detail but would be interested in learning/applying best signals methods. 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. PS: I love my K3, P3 and SteppIR vertical. Fun stuff. Bought the K3 kit in Nov of 2014. Still learning! Perhaps a book like Cady's centered on good signals would be helpful to those who wish to advance the hobby in general. > Kevin Stover > Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:34 PM > On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) > Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > >> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that>comes from far too many trying to assert some imaginary>authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or>below the speed limit in the passing lane). > > Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves? > >> In time they just stop caring because so many times the>person accusing them of being wide etc is either a>busybody or>does not have their own gear set up right.>Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because>now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal)>become closed to true constructive criticism and they go>on with a poor signal. > > So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands or go our merry way by spinning the knob? > > I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an actual complaint. > > The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" the worst. > > You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, I hope, why put up with it on the radio? > > Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year banning from a contest would get their attention. > > Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be welcomed with open arms. > > We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark. I've sworn off ANY and ALL Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did. > > The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the worse the problem gets. > > Someone else can use the soapbox now. > > Harry Yingst via Elecraft > Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:14 AM > I have seen that as well (people telling others they are wide etc when > they are not. > I was one night listening to some guys on ESSB with great sounding > signals and watching them on the P3, but another station comes up > tight to them and start complaining they were wiping them out etc. I > dialed down on to the complainers freq and I could not hear the ESSB > guys at all. > > As for people responding "They don't care" some of that comes from far > too many trying to assert some imaginary authority over another. (like > the guy who drives at or below the speed limit in the passing lane). > In time they just stop caring because so many times the person > accusing them of being wide etc is either a busybody or does not have > their own gear set up right. Sadly that in and of itself becomes a > problem because now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) > become closed to true constructive criticism and they go on with a > poor signal. > > > > > > From: David Cole > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > > Hi Jim, > > Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and > how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were > you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. > > I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when > they were just strong, not wide. > > When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a > snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the > offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is > different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, > at the same time. > > That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I > listed. > > I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not > care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... > > David Cole > Friday, May 08, 2015 9:13 PM > Hi Jim, > > Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and > how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were > you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. > > I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when > they were just strong, not wide. > > When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a > snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the > offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is > different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, > at the same time. > > That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I > listed. > > I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not > care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 16:30:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 20:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Screen Brightness and Contrast Adjustment? Message-ID: <907789210.3374425.1431203429421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Is there a way to adjust the brightness and screen contrast on the KX3? I looked through the menu and did not find the settings. From woodr90 at gmail.com Sat May 9 17:12:06 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:12:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Y adapter for ACC port DB15 K3 Message-ID: <001501d08a9c$ce9f9300$6bdeb900$@gmail.com> Looking for good supplier of DB15 type connector to do DB15M to two DB15F will allow FSK cable on one & Band control on other had problem with one vendor not running all pins through If you've done this and found good Y connector, pse let me know who Thanks 73 Robert W5AJ From mm0rkt at gmx.com Sat May 9 17:14:37 2015 From: mm0rkt at gmx.com (Bob Towers) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 22:14:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues Message-ID: <554E78BD.5040308@gmx.com> I was interested to read contributions on this topic. I recently had my first few JT65 QSOs on 20m using my K2/100. I set the power level to 5 watts and was astonished to hear the fan at the back of the K2 come on in the middle of a TX session. The heatsink coped pretty well and no one complained of drift, so JT65 QSOs were entirely possible. Had I increased the power to 10 watts, I suspect there may have been problems. As far as I'm concerned, JT65 is a weak signal mode and in my book even 5 watts is probably too much! 73 Bob Towers MM0RKT From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 17:31:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Y adapter for ACC port DB15 K3 In-Reply-To: <001501d08a9c$ce9f9300$6bdeb900$@gmail.com> References: <001501d08a9c$ce9f9300$6bdeb900$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1275579311.3352095.1431207107382.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Elecraft sells them (as a y cable) From: Robert Wood To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 5:12 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Y adapter for ACC port DB15 K3 Looking for good supplier of DB15 type connector to do DB15M to two DB15F will allow FSK cable on one & Band control on other had problem with one vendor not running all pins through If you've done this and found good Y connector, pse let me know who Thanks 73 Robert W5AJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From droese at necg.de Sat May 9 17:32:26 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 23:32:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Y adapter for ACC port DB15 K3 In-Reply-To: <001501d08a9c$ce9f9300$6bdeb900$@gmail.com> References: <001501d08a9c$ce9f9300$6bdeb900$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <554E7CEA.60902@necg.de> Elecraft! 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 09.05.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Robert Wood: > > Looking for good supplier of DB15 type connector to do > DB15M to two DB15F > > will allow FSK cable on one & Band control on other > > had problem with one vendor not running all pins through > If you've done this and found good Y connector, pse let me know who > > Thanks 73 Robert W5AJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat May 9 17:35:32 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 07:35:32 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> Message-ID: My pet peeve is ops running outboard speech processing poorly setup. I always wonder why "others" answer these stations CQ when at times the audio is so bad it's painful and when ops point this out politley the offending station reverts to abusive responses. One of the reasons i have become a serial pest to Elecraft to release the TX monitoring to ENSURE MY signal is not contributing to the QRM. Back in my hole i go.....:-) 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 10/05/2015 5:49 AM, "Phil Anderson" wrote: > This thread sounds - in part - a bit like junior high batches of > mentality. I'm not sure that this discussion line is appropriate for the > Elecraft reflector. > > Perhaps a better long term approach to more good signals on the air is to > recruit a few knowledgeable engineers or advanced hams (tech wise) that > could provide the theory, tutorials on how to set up and measure/test > quality signals. Quality for some may stay in the eye of the beholder for > some anyway. > > These high quality tutorials/pieces of info, on a web page or as pdf > files, could be made available for individuals, clubs and perhaps also find > their way into the magazines and other publications. > > I've not studied the subject in detail but would be interested in > learning/applying best signals methods. > > 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. > > PS: I love my K3, P3 and SteppIR vertical. Fun stuff. Bought the K3 kit in > Nov of 2014. Still learning! Perhaps a book like Cady's centered on good > signals would be helpful to those who wish to advance the hobby in general. > > > > > Kevin Stover >> Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:34 PM >> On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) >> Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> >> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that>comes from far >>> too many trying to assert some imaginary>authority over another. (like the >>> guy who drives at or>below the speed limit in the passing lane). >>> >> >> Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves? >> >> In time they just stop caring because so many times the>person accusing >>> them of being wide etc is either a>busybody or>does not have their own gear >>> set up right.>Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because>now >>> those folks (who may actually have a poor signal)>become closed to true >>> constructive criticism and they go>on with a poor signal. >>> >> >> So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands >> or go our merry way by spinning the knob? >> >> I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. >> Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an >> actual complaint. >> >> The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would >> have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" >> the worst. >> >> You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, >> I hope, why put up with it on the radio? >> >> Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal >> comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. >> If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then >> the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year >> banning from a contest would get their attention. >> >> Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like >> an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be >> welcomed with open arms. >> >> We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers >> worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final >> rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark. I've sworn off ANY and ALL >> Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When >> an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you >> shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did. >> >> The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the >> worse the problem gets. >> >> Someone else can use the soapbox now. >> >> Harry Yingst via Elecraft >> Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:14 AM >> I have seen that as well (people telling others they are wide etc when >> they are not. >> I was one night listening to some guys on ESSB with great sounding >> signals and watching them on the P3, but another station comes up tight to >> them and start complaining they were wiping them out etc. I dialed down on >> to the complainers freq and I could not hear the ESSB guys at all. >> >> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that comes from far >> too many trying to assert some imaginary authority over another. (like the >> guy who drives at or below the speed limit in the passing lane). In time >> they just stop caring because so many times the person accusing them of >> being wide etc is either a busybody or does not have their own gear set up >> right. Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because now those >> folks (who may actually have a poor signal) become closed to true >> constructive criticism and they go on with a poor signal. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: David Cole >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters >> >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and >> how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were >> you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. >> >> I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when >> they were just strong, not wide. >> >> When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a >> snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the >> offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is >> different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, >> at the same time. >> >> That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I >> listed. >> >> I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not >> care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... >> >> David Cole >> Friday, May 08, 2015 9:13 PM >> Hi Jim, >> >> Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and >> how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were >> you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. >> >> I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when >> they were just strong, not wide. >> >> When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a >> snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the >> offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is >> different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, >> at the same time. >> >> That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I >> listed. >> >> I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not >> care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... >> >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 17:50:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Matthew Pitts via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 21:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> References: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <240301877.4208294.1431208200788.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, This is a good idea, and there are people that are willing to write, and have written in some cases, such tutorials; the problem is that many people don't see the need to make adjustments in their equipment, or they deliberately make bad adjustments for whatever reason, and don't want to accept the negative signal reports as fact. Matthew PittsN8OHU? From: Phil Anderson To: Kevin Stover Cc: Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters This thread sounds - in part - a bit like junior high batches of mentality. I'm not sure that this discussion line is appropriate for the Elecraft reflector. Perhaps a better long term approach to more good signals on the air is to recruit a few knowledgeable engineers or advanced hams (tech wise) that could provide the theory, tutorials on how to set up and measure/test quality signals. Quality for some may stay in the eye of the beholder for some anyway. These high quality tutorials/pieces of info, on a web page or as pdf files, could be made available for individuals, clubs and perhaps also find their way into the magazines and other publications. I've not studied the subject in detail but would be interested in learning/applying best signals methods. 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. PS: I love my K3, P3 and SteppIR vertical. Fun stuff. Bought the K3 kit in Nov of 2014. Still learning! Perhaps a book like Cady's centered on good signals would be helpful to those who wish to advance the hobby in general. > Kevin Stover > Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:34 PM > On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) > Harry Yingst via Elecraft? wrote: > >> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that>comes from far too many trying to assert some imaginary>authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or>below the speed limit in the passing lane). > > Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves? > >> In time they just stop caring because so many times the>person accusing them of being wide etc is either a>busybody or>does not have their own gear set up right.>Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because>now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal)>become closed to true constructive criticism and they go>on with a poor signal. > > So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands or go our merry way by spinning the knob? > > I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an actual complaint. > > The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" the worst. > > You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, I hope, why put up with it on the radio? > > Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year banning from a contest would get their attention. > > Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be welcomed with open arms. > > We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark.? I've sworn off ANY and ALL Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did. > > The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the worse the problem gets. > > Someone else can use the soapbox now. > > Harry Yingst via Elecraft > Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:14 AM > I have seen that as well (people telling others they are wide etc when > they are not. > I was one night listening to some guys on ESSB with great sounding > signals and watching them on the P3, but another station comes up > tight to them and start complaining they were wiping them out etc. I > dialed down on to the complainers freq and I could not hear the ESSB > guys at all. > > As for people responding "They don't care" some of that comes from far > too many trying to assert some imaginary authority over another. (like > the guy who drives at or below the speed limit in the passing lane). > In time they just stop caring because so many times the person > accusing them of being wide etc is either a busybody or does not have > their own gear set up right. Sadly that in and of itself becomes a > problem because now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) > become closed to true constructive criticism and they go on with a > poor signal. > > > > > > From: David Cole > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > > > Hi Jim, > > Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and > how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading?? Were > you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. > > I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when > they were just strong, not wide. > > When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a > snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the > offending signal.? That way the person knows that his/her signal is > different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, > at the same time. > > That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I > listed. > > I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not > care...? Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... > > David Cole > Friday, May 08, 2015 9:13 PM > Hi Jim, > > Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and > how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were > you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc. > > I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when > they were just strong, not wide. > > When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a > snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the > offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is > different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen, > at the same time. > > That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I > listed. > > I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not > care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years... > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to daywalker_blade_2004 at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 9 18:09:48 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 15:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554E78BD.5040308@gmx.com> References: <554E78BD.5040308@gmx.com> Message-ID: <554E85AC.9000902@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/9/2015 2:14 PM, Bob Towers wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, JT65 is a weak signal mode and in my book > even 5 watts is probably too much! Don't confuse "weak signal mode" with QRP. It is considered good operating practice on the HF bands to run low power -- I'd guess that 3-30 W is pretty much the range. This is because the noise rejection of JT65 and JT9 makes low power and wet strings possible on the HF bands, AND because running higher power can drive cheaper receivers into overload. All of the WSJT modes are often used at high power for weak signal communication -- like meteor scatter, moonbounce, and long range tropo at VHF, and for long hauls on 160M. A few years ago, I heard a ZS calling CQ on 160M. That's a 7,000 mile path for me, so I called him with the highest power I had available. I didn't work him. :) The K2/100 and K3/100 will switch in the 100W amp at some power level determined by software. I don't recall what those levels are, but I'm certain that going to 18W will get you there. That's less than one S-unit, so you're not going to make a mess of the JT65 "window" at that power level. A bit of experimentation with the power control will get you the answer. And if 5W is too much, go to 3W. That's only 2 dB less. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat May 9 18:18:47 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 15:18:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65 and JT9 possible TX issues In-Reply-To: <554E78BD.5040308@gmx.com> References: <554E78BD.5040308@gmx.com> Message-ID: <554E87C7.80206@foothill.net> On 5/9/2015 2:14 PM, Bob Towers wrote: > I recently had my first few JT65 QSOs on 20m using my K2/100. I set the > power level to 5 watts and was astonished to hear the fan at the back of > the K2 come on in the middle of a TX session. The heatsink coped pretty > well and no one complained of drift, so JT65 QSOs were entirely > possible. Had I increased the power to 10 watts, I suspect there may > have been problems. For RTTY, I stuck a computer fan to the top of the amp-in-the-lid with a little tab of velcro, blowing down. Heat sink stayed totally cool even after calling CQ with 3 sec breaks almost continuously. I finally sold the amp, I began using the K2 as a QRP field rig after I got the K3 so I can't send you a photo, but it was pretty easy. When I wasn't on RTTY, I just pulled the fan off. If you lower the power below the amp's threshold, I believe it shuts down and you're using the QRP PA's in the basic K2. I don't know how the thermodynamics work in that situation ... that is, if the amp's heat sink functions with the base PA transistors or not. It may be that 15-20W [using the amp] would work better than 5W using the basic PA's. > > As far as I'm concerned, JT65 is a weak signal mode and in my book even > 5 watts is probably too much! Sort of. JT65 *is* a weak signal mode, and if you're working a QRP station with perhaps a compromised antenna, he will likely be weak. Ditto for an EME station, however there is nothing inherently "QRP" about JT65, and "weak signal" does not automatically imply low power. In EME usage, some pretty hefty powers and antennas are employed ... and you'll still be weak coming back down. :-) JT65 will permit QSO's at and below the noise level regardless of what the transmit power is ... the trade-off is it requires a lot of patience and you don't get to be very creative in what you say. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat May 9 18:37:59 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 17:37:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <240301877.4208294.1431208200788.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> <240301877.4208294.1431208200788.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> > On May 9, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote: > > Phil, > This is a good idea, ? or they deliberately make bad adjustments for whatever reason, and don't want to accept the negative signal reports as fact. > Matthew PittsN8OHU > Look .. some guy you?ve never heard of sends you an email telling you your signal is wide. And sends a screenshot from somewhere. I think it would be the reaction of most people to ask ?who is this guy, where is his badge, why is he trolling me, and who the does he think he is .. the president of my HOA?? For those of you sending ?friendly? emails, to presume that your "fabulous highly educated, K3-whatever-based signal measurement expertise? or the fact that you?re ?famous? (real or imagined) as a signal quality control genius in your close-knit group is going to push a concrete block out of the way is assuming too much. After all, the guy receiving the email has a Wizeroo 1000 transceiver and Gozmodics 1500 amp, and .. well ? they?re the BEST, and they?re connected together just like they?re supposed to be ? and the score is everything anyway, which is why all the knobs are turned all the way up, and if there?s a problem it?s YOUR receiver. So maybe the fellow sending you the report of how wide your signal is is tuning around on a SX-28(?). After all, your contest score is fine, your sidetone is clean, and NO ONE else told you your signal sucks. What are you going to think? You?re going to blow the guy off. Of course you will. I would, too ? because I MONITOR my signal, and would know one way or the other (it?s amazing the number of hams that don?t own a scope, but that?s another issue). Sending someone an email after the fact might make a difference in a minuscule number of cases. Teaching someone new to it all how to properly adjust a transmitter/amp will help, too. My cynical view is that an ever increasing number take the ?open carry and it?s all about me me? society we increasingly live in into radio ? if you think you can gain an advantage by screwing up your signal to everyone else ? well ?the score and potential for celebrity is everything. Or some bit of all of the above. Which is why during the seemingly never ending contests on the weekends, I go outside and find something actually productive to do ? :) Grant NQ5T From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat May 9 18:58:00 2015 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 17:58:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3, revised price Message-ID: <554E90F8.7080604@gmail.com> As noted on May 04, I have decided to sell one of my two K3. It turns out I have been enjoying my KX3 so much that I find one of the K3 is now surplus to my needs. It is serial # 1476 and DOES NOT HAVE the KSYN3AUPG installed in either the main or second receivers. What it does have: K3/100-F (K3 100W Xcvr. (Assembled)), K144XV-F (K3 Int. 2 M Module; Assm.), KAT3-F (K3 ATU), KRX3-F (K3 2nd RX), KBPF3 (2) (K3 Gen. Cov. RX module), KDVR3 (digital voice recorder), KFLA-2.8 (2), KFLA-400 (2), KFLA-6K (2), KFL3B-FM (1), KTCXO3-1, KXV3, MH2, PR6. This lists new at $5719.10; I was asking $4500.00 including insured shipping within continental US; I have revised my price to $4000.00 beofre putting it on that auction site... Willing to negotiate, but no trades, no outside of US sales. Please DO NOT "REPLY ALL"; Please reply off list if you are interested. Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 9 19:14:54 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KF5WBS via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 18:14:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <1431193208.14866.30.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> <1431193208.14866.30.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <9E4CE28E-51F7-4206-AA17-CC83B5F58109@yahoo.com> I have a new (to me) K3 on the way along with the Cady book. I would really like to get a good start with this rig. Any setup/startup suggestions or experiences from someone who has been there before would be most appreciated, Thanks everyone, Tom KF5WBS From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat May 9 19:15:30 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 19:15:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> References: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> <240301877.4208294.1431208200788.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <554E9512.7080802@embarqmail.com> If you are to be effective with communications involving a less than pristine signal, be upfront about the equipment you are using to monitor that signal, and yes be prepared to justify the calibration and proper operating condition of the receiver. Do not take it for granted that just because you have a K3 and a P3 you should be believed, you have to substantiate that the receiving station is clean and pristine and is not overloading. Specs are OK, but not definitive, be prepared to measure your receiver with good test equipment. For instance, a broadband noise generator and an audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer will validate the selectivity of your receiver. That is only one example. My professional work in the last 10 years of my career was evaluating products that were to be announced or sent for First Customer Ship. I worked in contention with the development team and always needed to validate my observations and conclusions - lesson learned, always be prepared to defend your measurements and conclusions, they *will* be challenged. As an old college professor once advised - technician (or engineer), know your tools, and more importantly, know their limitations. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/9/2015 6:37 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Look .. some guy you?ve never heard of sends you an email telling you > your signal is wide. And sends a screenshot from somewhere. I think it > would be the reaction of most people to ask ?who is this guy, where is > his badge, why is he trolling me, and who the does he think > he is .. the president of my HOA?? For those of you sending ?friendly? > emails, to presume that your "fabulous highly educated, > K3-whatever-based signal measurement expertise? or the fact that > you?re ?famous? (real or imagined) as a signal quality control genius > in your close-knit group is going to push a concrete block out of the > way is assuming too much. After all, the guy receiving the email has a > Wizeroo 1000 transceiver and Gozmodics 1500 amp, and .. well ? they?re > the BEST, and they?re connected together just like they?re supposed to > be ? and the score is everything anyway, which is why all the knobs > are turned all the way up, and if there?s a problem it?s YOUR receiver. From bob at hogbytes.com Sat May 9 19:27:37 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:27:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Screen Brightness and Contrast Adjustment? In-Reply-To: <907789210.3374425.1431203429421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <907789210.3374425.1431203429421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431214057367-7602360.post@n2.nabble.com> Short answer NO. The display used does not have the capability so firmware update not an option. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Screen-Brightness-and-Contrast-Adjustment-tp7602347p7602360.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat May 9 19:28:23 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 19:28:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <9E4CE28E-51F7-4206-AA17-CC83B5F58109@yahoo.com> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> <1431193208.14866.30.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <9E4CE28E-51F7-4206-AA17-CC83B5F58109@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554E9817.6030104@embarqmail.com> Tom, Walk through the Cady book and do the exercises, and by the time you get to the end, you will know the K3 capabilities and how to operate it very well. If you want a "quick start", take a look at the K3 menu entries in the regular K3 manual (they are listed about 2/3 of the way through the manual). That will give you an idea of how you can customize the K3 to your particular tastes and operating desires. Then equipped with that customization information, you can dig deeper into the K3 manual or Cady book to tell you how to make the menu changes to your advantage. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/9/2015 7:14 PM, KF5WBS via Elecraft wrote: > I have a new (to me) K3 on the way along with the Cady book. I would really like to get a good start with this rig. Any setup/startup suggestions or experiences from someone who has been there before would be most appreciated, > > Thanks everyone, > > Tom KF5WBS > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat May 9 19:38:12 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 19:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Screen Brightness and Contrast Adjustment? In-Reply-To: <1431214057367-7602360.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <907789210.3374425.1431203429421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431214057367-7602360.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <554E9A64.5000405@embarqmail.com> There is a menu item to turn the backlight off. You may use that to extend battery life. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/9/2015 7:27 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > Short answer NO. The display used does not have the capability so firmware > update not an option. > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat May 9 19:42:41 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 16:42:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <554E9817.6030104@embarqmail.com> References: <1431137601.14866.23.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <886714893.3242437.1431180881453.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <20150509123408.862ea904aeafb10a2008101f@mediacombb.net> <1431193208.14866.30.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <9E4CE28E-51F7-4206-AA17-CC83B5F58109@yahoo.com> <554E9817.6030104@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <554E9B71.7080800@foothill.net> Just a note on top of Don's advice, the stock, "out-of-the-box" settings on a new K3 are a great place to start. Basically, you can power it up and use as is. Your's may not be in the stock configuration, but it has been in use [?], and I'd recommend playing around with it on the air for awhile before tweaking anything. Secondly, when you do decide to tweak, go slow, use it for awhile before another tweak, and only mess with one thing at a time. The radio is almost infinitely configurable and some of the changes may not be immediately obvious. I didn't make this up ... Jim, K9YC, told me when I was trying to adjust the RX EQ for SSB and failing. I of course was just moving the settings all over the place and got thoroughly lost. Fred Cady's book combined with the manual is a winning combo. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/9/2015 4:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Tom, > > Walk through the Cady book and do the exercises, and by the time you get > to the end, you will know the K3 capabilities and how to operate it very > well. > > If you want a "quick start", take a look at the K3 menu entries in the > regular K3 manual (they are listed about 2/3 of the way through the > manual). That will give you an idea of how you can customize the K3 to > your particular tastes and operating desires. Then equipped with that > customization information, you can dig deeper into the K3 manual or Cady > book to tell you how to make the menu changes to your advantage. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/9/2015 7:14 PM, KF5WBS via Elecraft wrote: >> I have a new (to me) K3 on the way along with the Cady book. I would >> really like to get a good start with this rig. Any setup/startup >> suggestions or experiences from someone who has been there before >> would be most appreciated, >> >> Thanks everyone, >> >> Tom KF5WBS From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat May 9 21:15:24 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 21:15:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <554E9B71.7080800@foothill.net> References: <554E9B71.7080800@foothill.net> Message-ID: <554EB12C.5010008@nycap.rr.com> I will offer a little sage advice for tinkering with setting changes - KEEP GOOD NOTES! Notes have save my bacon several times when I had to reinvent the wheel. Bill W2BLC K-Line From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat May 9 21:22:15 2015 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 18:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <554EB12C.5010008@nycap.rr.com> References: <554E9B71.7080800@foothill.net> <554EB12C.5010008@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <07C0DFC4-54DA-4F72-ABCA-2B0BFF8465BF@gmail.com> Also use the Elecraft K3 Utility to update the firmware to the latest production level. Also, along with your notes, use the K3 Utility to make backups of your K3 configuration along the way. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On May 9, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Bill wrote: > > I will offer a little sage advice for tinkering with setting changes - KEEP GOOD NOTES! Notes have save my bacon several times when I had to reinvent the wheel. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 9 22:04:09 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 19:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> References: <554E64A4.6070807@sunflower.com> <240301877.4208294.1431208200788.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: . As some have pointed out, getting an email from someone you don't know, stating your signal is wide and not clean, would draw a reaction of "who is this guy"? Terms such as Cop, Dudley do Right, where is his badge, President of HOA do come up. These types of comments are not surprising, but none the less, disappointing. It took decades for busy bodies to get it across to mfg.'s that the ham community wanted better receive performance on "close in" signals, but they finally got it. The weak link in the "system" is now the transmitter. Some may " go outside and find something actually productive to do". Others may bring it to the attention of the ham community in an effort to get the mfg's to fix the poor design of synthesizers and amplifiers If you have ever tried to work Sweepstakes CW, or the 160 meter CW contest, one would change their tune about "imaginary authority". It is even worse in Europe due to the density of operators, and then when you add in contest conditions, it is VERY difficult to find some elbow room (that should be there) be it for poor designs. It may not be intentional, but I have seen cases where it was CLEARLY intentional Screen shots, data and math does not lie. The facts are as presented. I see NO reason that a mfg'er shud allow the end user to adjust the CW wave shaping, as Icom, and Yaesu have. People have mentioned that a controlled test, using lab type setups would be more effective than an email. I agree, to a point. The ARRL has been publishing information on the performance of signal purity. If you do not subscribe to QST (a majority of hams are not members), you would have to do a significant amount of research and/or testing that is beyond the scope or capabilities of most ham operators. I challenge people to listen to the CWops Mini-CWT Test on May 14, 2015 at 03:00z to 04:00z (note the date and time is in UTC) and listen on 40m to a relatively packed band. Use a receiver that is better than an SX-28 and you will quickly be able to pick up signals that are full of key clicks, and those that are wide. Having a P3 makes it all the easier to also see these poor xmitters. Elecraft was asked to have the ability to gain access to the code that performs the wave shaping function in their rigs. Elecraft declined to offer this, and for a very good reason. Can you guess what that reason was? Jim W6AIM . . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 3:38 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > On May 9, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote: > > Phil, > This is a good idea, ? or they deliberately make bad adjustments for whatever reason, and don't want to accept the negative signal reports as fact. > Matthew PittsN8OHU > Look .. some guy you?ve never heard of sends you an email telling you your signal is wide. And sends a screenshot from somewhere. I think it would be the reaction of most people to ask ?who is this guy, where is his badge, why is he trolling me, and who the does he think he is .. the president of my HOA?? For those of you sending ?friendly? emails, to presume that your "fabulous highly educated, K3-whatever-based signal measurement expertise? or the fact that you?re ?famous? (real or imagined) as a signal quality control genius in your close-knit group is going to push a concrete block out of the way is assuming too much. After all, the guy receiving the email has a Wizeroo 1000 transceiver and Gozmodics 1500 amp, and .. well ? they?re the BEST, and they?re connected together just like they?re supposed to be ? and the score is everything anyway, which is why all the knobs are turned all the way up, and if there?s a problem it?s YOUR receiver. So maybe the fellow sending you the report of how wide your signal is is tuning around on a SX-28(?). After all, your contest score is fine, your sidetone is clean, and NO ONE else told you your signal sucks. What are you going to think? You?re going to blow the guy off. Of course you will. I would, too ? because I MONITOR my signal, and would know one way or the other (it?s amazing the number of hams that don?t own a scope, but that?s another issue). Sending someone an email after the fact might make a difference in a minuscule number of cases. Teaching someone new to it all how to properly adjust a transmitter/amp will help, too. My cynical view is that an ever increasing number take the ?open carry and it?s all about me me? society we increasingly live in into radio ? if you think you can gain an advantage by screwing up your signal to everyone else ? well ?the score and potential for celebrity is everything. Or some bit of all of the above. Which is why during the seemingly never ending contests on the weekends, I go outside and find something actually productive to do ? :) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat May 9 22:50:01 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 02:50:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY contesting with KX3 and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD49B3C6@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD49B3C6@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <798FC055-970E-4AA1-9F37-8F46D682F245@ewnetinc.com> Maybe Wayne or Eric could chime in if the greater group doesn't have some feedback for this. Id rather be up to speed rather than get caught off guard 6000 miles from the home qth :-) Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > > On the subject of JT65 and the KX3 heat compensation with high duty cycle dig..I am curious. Has anyone done a contest like NAQP RTTY with a KX3, particularly if you have the newer Elecraft based heat sink mod that was implemented in Dec 14? I was wondering if the heat protection will kick in with a fairly aggressive cq rate in 2 scenarios: > > > 1. qrp at 5 w > > 2. with the KXPA100 at higher power > > Looking for a general idea of the tolerance of the KX3 itself and also if it can maintain max drive of the KXPA100 with a moderately high duty cycle . (AFSK for now..) > > I have put together a KX3/KXPA100 setup for IOTA and to travel with me to CE3, and want to make sure I understand my real world limitations and tolerances. Appreciate hearing real world experience, as well as opinions based on the tolerances of the rig/amp if I decide to jump into a contest like NAQP domestically, and internationally from the Santiago CE qth. > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. (oh and yes, I am a contester, and yes, I am very observant of my signal quality : -). Please let's not go there.) > > Thanks > Chris > N6WM > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From woodr90 at gmail.com Sat May 9 23:46:23 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 22:46:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <00b001d08a84$a2733600$e759a200$@com> References: <8C153EA9-6725-4253-B7B2-7602F0AA88B4@me.com> <514687E6-9A0F-4FA2-A11A-A6BAA640356B@me.com> <00b001d08a84$a2733600$e759a200$@com> Message-ID: <001e01d08ad3$e32c53d0$a984fb70$@gmail.com> Ameritron RcV-8V The unused ports can be grounded but the solder jumper is not done at factory I have found at times the RCV-8V that relay sticks and stays "connected" the mechanical "stuff" on top of the relay binds. or won't close (same issue) or coil relay burns out removing the cover, can quickly fix mechanical jam. if the coil burns out - you got one less port or buy a new switch. Difficult to change relay out on another grounding side: I use ports 4 & 5 to feed phased vertical array have not figured out a way to ground those when not in use, one port is feed & other must float 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:19 PM To: 'Jack Brindle'; 'David Ahrendts' Cc: 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding I'm in a similar situation. Love the KAT500 (especially with the KPA500 and Kenwood TS-940). Already have an Ameritron remote antenna switch, so not using the switching on the KAT500 (except for a switching in a dummy load). The solution I've come up with is to have an Arduino monitor the radio frequency/band data and have it switch the antenna. However, I doubt that the Ameritron switch grounds the unused ports. The DX Engineering remote switches appear to have this as an option. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jack Brindle Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 5:42 PM To: David Ahrendts Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding I can answer that. The KPA500 does not ground unselected antennas. Nor does it ground selected antennas. ;-) (OK, it?s Friday. Even we Elecrafters let our hair down on Friday?) - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On May 8, 2015, at 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Do I need to mount an external antenna switch to ground the unused antenna, which is not desirable because of the KAT500?s ability to memorize frequencies and tuner corrections per antenna? > > David A., KC0XT, Los Angeles > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From phils at riousa.com Sat May 9 23:57:47 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 20:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: <1ED00718-1B29-42B7-9685-D7C4DF051A8C@riousa.com> The weekly SSB net is Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I will be net control from OR. See you then. Phil, NS7P From carl at n8vz.com Sat May 9 23:58:45 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 23:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 Message-ID: <554ED775.6040408@n8vz.com> I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. I was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my Heil KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able to use this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made adapter, suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be appreciated. Tnxs & 73, Carl ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From w6sfm at w6sfm.com Sun May 10 03:26:12 2015 From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM@W6SFM.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 00:26:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup Event begins NEXT WEEKEND! Message-ID: <554F0814.6070205@w6sfm.com> This is a general announcement to remind those interested that the W6SFM Samuel F Morse Amateur Radio Club will be holding its Semi Annual Bug Roundup event NEXT SATURDAY!, May 16th starting from 1400 UTC though Sunday 1400 UTC. This 24-hour event is not a contest; rather it is a time dedicated to celebrating our CW and Bug key heritage. Participants are encouraged to get on the air and simply make enjoyable, conversational CW QSOs using a Bug style key as the sending instrument. For more information including Rules and where to optionally send your logs, or other event related pictures and emails after the event, please visit our Bug Roundup web page located at: http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html Be sure to mark this event on your calendar, we hope to hear you on the air this coming Saturday! 73 W6SFM From rusjacob at tpg.com.au Sun May 10 05:41:21 2015 From: rusjacob at tpg.com.au (Russ Jacob) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 19:41:21 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Test Only Message-ID: <554F27C1.5070602@tpg.com.au> From KK at ccf.net Sun May 10 05:55:34 2015 From: KK at ccf.net (Klaus Koppendorfer) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 09:55:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Screen Brightness and Contrast Adjustment? KX1 MODE In-Reply-To: <1431214057367-7602360.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <907789210.3374425.1431203429421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431214057367-7602360.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8c9a283d6ddb498d8057abba32e515ba@EX2013.ccf.net> Would be nice to add KX1 Display Mode to KX3 - when turn vfo or others just let display light for 3 seconds -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Bob N3MNT Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Mai 2015 01:28 An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Screen Brightness and Contrast Adjustment? Short answer NO. The display used does not have the capability so firmware update not an option. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Screen-Brightness-and-Contrast-Adjustment-tp7602347p7602360.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kk at ccf.net From kd1na363 at gmail.com Sun May 10 08:12:06 2015 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 08:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter Message-ID: Greetings, I know this is off topic but cal anyone guide me to where I can find the schematics for the old Gonsei communicator 6 meter radio. I find the 2 meter version but cannot locate the 6 meter schematics. Thanks and 73 Dave KD1NA From raysills3 at verizon.net Sun May 10 09:19:31 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 09:19:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 is on the way In-Reply-To: <07C0DFC4-54DA-4F72-ABCA-2B0BFF8465BF@gmail.com> References: <554E9B71.7080800@foothill.net> <554EB12C.5010008@nycap.rr.com> <07C0DFC4-54DA-4F72-ABCA-2B0BFF8465BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C198DDA-E45F-4FEF-A03D-5B7C005C27DB@verizon.net> And, don't forget to download the -latest- version of the KX3 Utility, as appropriate to your computer's OS. The Utility gets updated, too, and sometimes older versions won't work properly. Having those periodic backup copies of your rig's configuration can be a lifesaver. You'll be able to revert to a known working configuration, should you get "frisky" and try a beta version of a rig update that does something unpredictable (unlikely, since even beta versions are often stable and often become the production release without any changes). Couldn't hurt to put those config files into a thumb drive or one of the cloud services, like DropBox... just in case your computer tanks. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 9, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > Also use the Elecraft K3 Utility to update the firmware to the > latest production level. > > Also, along with your notes, use the K3 Utility to make backups of > your K3 configuration along the way. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On May 9, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> I will offer a little sage advice for tinkering with setting >> changes - KEEP GOOD NOTES! Notes have save my bacon several times >> when I had to reinvent the wheel. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line From dick at elecraft.com Sun May 10 10:22:36 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 07:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 In-Reply-To: <554ED775.6040408@n8vz.com> References: <554ED775.6040408@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <002f01d08b2c$c39729b0$4ac57d10$@elecraft.com> Carl: You have a couple of choices: The K3 back panel has both a 3.5mm mono microphone jack and a 3.5mm stereo headphone jack. You might just plug your headset mic and phone plugs into two jacks on the K3 rear panel without any additional adapter. If you prefer a front panel connection, I'd suggest a Heil Sound AD1-K, which can be purchased at Dayton from Heil Sound (probably in "Audio Alley"), DX Engineering, HRO, or several other vendors that stock Heil products. It's normally between $19 and $23. http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/hls-ad-1-k http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003264 Heil makes AD-1 for Drake, icom, Kenwood / Elecraft, Ten-Tec, and Yaesu. They vary by color. You want the RED one. Kenwood and Elecraft use the same 8-pin Foster connector pin arrangement. Heil lists this as "Kenwood". I find the K3 front panel a bit busy with the AD1-K, a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter for the headset, and 1/4" PTT plug/jack combination for a footswitch. Putting all this on the back panel helps keep things neater. Sometimes headset cord length becomes an issue, though. See also http://heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Carl J?n Denbow Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 8:59 PM To: 'Elecraft List' Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. I was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my Heil KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able to use this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made adapter, suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be appreciated. Tnxs & 73, Carl From hsherriff at reagan.com Sun May 10 10:52:56 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 10:52:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Message-ID: <23ieyj99w8bc72ol0efblpml.1431269576800@email.android.com> Just a few more days and we'll get to see the new P3 power monitor. Hope they open up Internet Sales at the same time.... can't wait to add this to my K-line. HarlanNC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sun May 10 11:29:20 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 10:29:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 Message-ID: With a new K3 on the way at Dayton, you may want to download (easy) the K3 User Manual to read on the way. It will answer most all of your questions. Enjoy Jim - W4RKS From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 12:08:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 16:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Jim, I am afraid that you are ignoring the fact that RF ground and DC ground are not the same thing. ?Any thing that refers to wavelength of coax is talking about RF grounding. ?Anything that refers to lightning protection or personal protection refers to DC grounding. ?Anything that refers to antenna spacing refers primarily to interaction between the antennas. ?For interaction between the antennas a five foot mast is possibly enough. ?If you have an option for more, go ahead with more spacing. ?The widest spacing that I see is about 10 feet, but try what you think and see what you find. ?You can always extend the mast if you have to because a six meter beam is small and the extension can hold a lot on a 1 inch mast that is 5 or 10 feet long. ?It is easy enough to add a coax switch such as an MFJ-1702 Which has an alternate selection for a dummy load or second transceiver which you can install on each of your antennas. ?If the antenna is connected to your amplifier or transceiver there is ?surge protector which will protect your equipment to a certain extent if there is a strike when you are operating and a ground position when you are not operating or using a different antenna. ?You can also use the center position to ground your antenna to the station ground to check for interaction with the other antenna. ?If the SWR improves or your signal to the other station improves enough to consider, then you have a strong clue that you should ground that antenna when you are using the other antenna . ?Your path to the station ground must be low enough for the strike you are considering to bleed off without harming your equipment. ?The coax wave length property is a good one to use if you are having trouble withe SWR or Tuner settings. ?Personal protection is usually good enough from the power source ?if you have a DC bond to ground and watch what you touch because a direct strike will cause many amps of current in the ground path and only a few milliamps are needed to harm you or your equipment.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding On Fri,5/8/2015 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded? through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? Several MAJOR points of confusion here. First, what do you mean by "grounding?" Do you mean shorting the coax? Second, because any transmission line transforms the impedance by an amount determined entirely by its electrical length, shorting the coax in the shack will only short the antenna if the line is some multiple of half-waves long AT THE FREQUENCY WHERE INTERACTION IS THE CONCERN. Not only that, an OPEN in the shack would be transformed to a short at the antenna if the line were some odd number of quarter-wavelengths. So -- if you're going to implement that switch in the shack, you need to MEASURE the electrical length of the transmission line to that MA5B to pretty good accuracy. If you don't own a good VIA or VNA, find someone who has an AIM or VNWA and have them measure it for you. With that information, use TLW (comes on the ARRL Antenna Book CD) or SimSmith (free Smith Chart program, runs in Java) to figure out how much coax to add or subtract to put the short or open. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Sun May 10 12:32:45 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 17:32:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? Message-ID: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> In the past, users have reported qrm radiated from the P3 display, particularly on 2m. Has anyone had this problem with the PX3? If so, were you using the KX3 internal transverter or an external one? Graham From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun May 10 12:48:30 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 12:48:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, have you tried the Boat Anchor Manual Archive? I don't have the URL with me (I'm on vacation in 7-land), but they have s huge archive of old manuals. Hope this helps. 73 de, Ian, KM4IK On May 10, 2015 5:13 AM, "David Robertson" wrote: > Greetings, > I know this is off topic but cal anyone guide me to where I can find the > schematics for the old Gonsei communicator 6 meter radio. I find the 2 > meter version but cannot locate the 6 meter schematics. > > Thanks and 73 > Dave KD1NA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sun May 10 12:54:12 2015 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 09:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09cb01d08b41$f1675300$d435f900$@gmail.com> http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/gonset/ ??? - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Robertson Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:12 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter Greetings, I know this is off topic but cal anyone guide me to where I can find the schematics for the old Gonsei communicator 6 meter radio. I find the 2 meter version but cannot locate the 6 meter schematics. Thanks and 73 Dave KD1NA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Sun May 10 12:58:06 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 12:58:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554F8E1E.7030807@subich.com> http://http://bama.edebris.com The Gonset G50 is listed. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-10 12:48 PM, Ian Kahn wrote: > Dave, have you tried the Boat Anchor Manual Archive? I don't have the URL > with me (I'm on vacation in 7-land), but they have s huge archive of old > manuals. > > Hope this helps. > > 73 de, > > Ian, KM4IK > On May 10, 2015 5:13 AM, "David Robertson" wrote: > >> Greetings, >> I know this is off topic but cal anyone guide me to where I can find the >> schematics for the old Gonsei communicator 6 meter radio. I find the 2 >> meter version but cannot locate the 6 meter schematics. >> >> Thanks and 73 >> Dave KD1NA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 10 13:07:41 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 10:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554F905D.6050004@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,5/10/2015 9:08 AM, WILLIS COOKE wrote: > Jim, I am afraid that you are ignoring the fact that RF ground and DC > ground are not the same thing. I'm not ignoring that at all -- I'm attempting to help David with an antenna interference issue, and understand how transmission lines work. AND -- lightning is NOT a DC event, it is an RF event. The energy in lightning is broadly centered around 1 MHz. Those feedlines should be bonded to the tower at top and bottom, and the tower needs ground rods around it. > Any thing that refers to wavelength of coax is talking about RF > grounding. There is no such thing as RF ground. > Anything that refers to lightning protection or personal protection > refers to DC grounding. Anything that refers to antenna spacing > refers primarily to interaction between the antennas. For interaction > between the antennas a five foot mast is possibly enough. If you have > an option for more, go ahead with more spacing. The widest spacing > that I see is about 10 feet, but try what you think and see what you > find. The appropriate measure of spacing is wavelength, not feet or meters. > You can always extend the mast if you have to because a six meter > beam is small and the extension can hold a lot on a 1 inch mast that > is 5 or 10 feet long. It is easy enough to add a coax switch such as > an MFJ-1702 Which has an alternate selection for a dummy load or > second transceiver which you can install on each of your antennas. The wavelength in coax still applies. > If the antenna is connected to your amplifier or transceiver there is > surge protector which will protect your equipment to a certain extent > if there is a strike when you are operating and a ground position when > you are not operating or using a different antenna. You can also use > the center position to ground your antenna to the station ground to > check for interaction with the other antenna. If the SWR improves or > your signal to the other station improves enough to consider, then you > have a strong clue that you should ground that antenna when you are > using the other antenna . The antennas should ALWAYS be grounded. Again, there is this confusion between multiple uses of the word "ground." The antenna is grounded when we bond the coax to earth. That is the first element of protection. The second element is bonding all grounds in a premises together (power, CATV, telco, etc), bonding all station equipment and antennas together, and bonding all of that to the collection of premises grounds . A lightning arrestor is the third element -- if the coax is connected to a rig, the arrestor shorts the center conductor to the shield in the event of a strike, attempting to protect the rig. Depending on the nature of the strike, that may be enough. > Your path to the station ground must be low enough for the strike you > are considering to bleed off without harming your equipment. The coax > wave length property is a good one to use if you are having trouble > withe SWR or Tuner settings. This is only "good" if the SWR is fairly low. If it's high, the line can get pretty lossy. > Personal protection is usually good enough from the power source if > you have a DC bond to ground I certainly don't want the Green wire to be the path to ground for a lightning strike. Rather, I want ground rods at the base of the tower and where coax enters the shack. > and watch what you touch because a direct strike will cause many amps > of current in the ground path and only a few milliamps are needed to > harm you or your equipment. Right. 73, Jim K9YC > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, > TDXS Contest Chairman > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Brown > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Sent:* Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding > > On Fri,5/8/2015 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > > I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B > mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn > five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends > using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two > would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the > KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of > the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain > just unattached but active? > > Several MAJOR points of confusion here. First, what do you mean by > "grounding?" Do you mean shorting the coax? Second, because any > transmission line transforms the impedance by an amount determined > entirely by its electrical length, shorting the coax in the shack will > only short the antenna if the line is some multiple of half-waves long > AT THE FREQUENCY WHERE INTERACTION IS THE CONCERN. Not only that, an > OPEN in the shack would be transformed to a short at the antenna if the > line were some odd number of quarter-wavelengths. > > So -- if you're going to implement that switch in the shack, you need to > MEASURE the electrical length of the transmission line to that MA5B to > pretty good accuracy. If you don't own a good VIA or VNA, find someone > who has an AIM or VNWA and have them measure it for you. With that > information, use TLW (comes on the ARRL Antenna Book CD) or SimSmith > (free Smith Chart program, runs in Java) to figure out how much coax to > add or subtract to put the short or open. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com > From kd1na363 at gmail.com Sun May 10 13:10:01 2015 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter radio schematic. Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I could not give you any model number information. I was furnished a system schematic but most of it is unreadable including the area on the drawing where the schematic number is. Let me describe the radio to you. It is all vacuum tubes (valves) and contains a ac/dc ( vibrator ) power supply that runs on either 115 AC or 6 volts DC. Units were available for 12 volt operation. It has one crystal socket but can be fitted with a 4 or 5 position crystal switch. The transmit/receive circuit uses a rotary switch, not a relay. The final is a 2E26 and uses link coupling to the antenna jack. I estimate the unit was built in the 1950s or 60s. It could be the first model of the Gooneybird. Really need a usable schematic. Thanks and 73 Dave KD1NA From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sun May 10 13:14:05 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 11:14:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <554F905D.6050004@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <554F905D.6050004@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: the commercial installation grounding practices covered by the R56 grounding Standards are a wonderful tool to learn, and adhere to, without deviation. that will allow a 200 ft tower to sustain multiple strikes during a single T-storm, while radios are in operation, with their antennas active on that tower, without damage to either the radios or the antennas. Obviously, YMMV... but after spending many hours repairing damage to radios installed on the same tower, prior to the R56 standard... and none after... it bears reading... three or four times. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Sun May 10 13:43:00 2015 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 18:43:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554F98A4.6000202@david-woolley.me.uk> Lightning rise times correspond more to low HF than to DC, e.g. You can't, in general, treat lightning as DC. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 10/05/15 17:08, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: > Jim, I am afraid that you are ignoring the fact that RF ground and DC ground are not the same thing. Any thing that refers to wavelength of coax is talking about RF grounding. Anything that refers to lightning protection or personal protection refers to DC grounding. Anything that refers to antenna spacing refers primarily to interaction between the antennas. For interaction between From ejkkjh at gmail.com Sun May 10 13:50:36 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:50:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In-Reply-To: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> References: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: Graham, I use the PX3 with the KX3 2 meter internal transverter and I hear, see no QRM from the PX3. Very quiet and PX3 sure helps in knowing what is on the band. 73 Emory WM3M -----Original Message----- From: Graham g3tct Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 12:32 PM To: Elecraft reflector Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In the past, users have reported qrm radiated from the P3 display, particularly on 2m. Has anyone had this problem with the PX3? If so, were you using the KX3 internal transverter or an external one? Graham ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ejkkjh at gmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 10 13:58:47 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 10:58:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <554F9C57.6050900@coho.net> Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From lists at subich.com Sun May 10 14:21:57 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter radio schematic. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554FA1C5.30901@subich.com> Gonset 3049 ... schematic is available on BAMA if you bother to look through the Gonset directory. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-10 1:10 PM, David Robertson wrote: > Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I could not give you any model number > information. > I was furnished a system schematic but most of it is unreadable including > the area on the drawing where the schematic number is. > Let me describe the radio to you. > > It is all vacuum tubes (valves) and contains a ac/dc ( vibrator ) power > supply that runs on either 115 AC or 6 volts DC. Units were available for > 12 volt operation. > It has one crystal socket but can be fitted with a 4 or 5 position crystal > switch. > The transmit/receive circuit uses a rotary switch, not a relay. The final > is a 2E26 and uses link coupling to the antenna jack. I estimate the unit > was built in the 1950s or 60s. > It could be the first model of the Gooneybird. > > Really need a usable schematic. > Thanks and 73 > Dave KD1NA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 14:22:50 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Matthew Pitts via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Grant, I understand what you're saying, but there are a lot of hams that think that the factory defaults that their particular radio shipped with are just fine when they could be improved with assistance, or they think that if a little adjustment is good, more is better. Matthew PittsN8OHU From: GRANT YOUNGMAN To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters > On May 9, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote: > > Phil, > This is a good idea, ? or they deliberately make bad adjustments for whatever reason, and don't want to accept the negative signal reports as fact. > Matthew PittsN8OHU > Look .. some guy you?ve never heard of sends you an email telling you your signal is wide.? And sends a screenshot from somewhere.? I think it would be the reaction of most people to ask ?who is this guy, where is his badge, why is he trolling me, and who the does he think he is .. the president of my HOA??? For those of you sending ?friendly? emails, to presume that your "fabulous highly educated, K3-whatever-based signal measurement expertise? or the fact that you?re ?famous? (real or imagined) as a signal quality control genius in your close-knit group? is going to push a concrete block out of the way is assuming too much.? After all, the guy receiving the email has a Wizeroo 1000 transceiver and Gozmodics 1500 amp, and .. well ? they?re the BEST, and they?re connected together just like they?re supposed to be ? and the score is everything anyway, which is why all the knobs are turned all the way up, and if there?s a problem it?s YOUR receiver. So maybe the fellow sending you the report of how wide your signal is is tuning around on a SX-28(?).? After all, your contest score is fine, your sidetone is clean, and NO ONE else told you your signal sucks.? What are you going to think?? You?re going to blow the guy off.? Of course you will.? I would, too ? because I MONITOR my signal, and would know one way or the other (it?s amazing the number of hams that don?t own a scope, but that?s another issue). Sending someone an email after the fact might make a difference in a minuscule number of cases.? Teaching someone new to it all how to properly adjust a transmitter/amp will help, too.? My cynical view is that an ever increasing number take the ?open carry and it?s all about me me? society we increasingly live in into radio ? if you think you can gain an advantage by screwing up your signal to ? everyone else ? well ?the score and potential for celebrity is everything.? Or some bit of all of the above.? Which is why during the seemingly never ending contests on the weekends, I go outside and find something actually productive to do ? :) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to daywalker_blade_2004 at yahoo.com From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Sun May 10 14:42:52 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 19:42:52 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Message-ID: Following a mishap with a PSU, our local club?s K3 is in need of repair and I don?t want anything similar to happen to mine. The PSU is a linear device with a voltage control potentiometer and a meter. The operator had an issue with the PSU which was showing an output of 15 volts; the K3 was connected and working. He switched off the PSU to ?exercise? the potentiometer and unfortunately turned it back on with the K3 still connected and switched on. The reading was still 15 volts, so he touched the potentiometer again and the K3 started to emit smoke and died. At this time, we?re assuming that the PSU grossly over-volted. My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? If it is, then my fears will not be realized because I ALWAYS turn on my PSU AND check the output voltage on its meter before turning on the K3. It will be interesting to find out what died in the K3. I hope it?s not too expensive. 73, Alan. G4GNX From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Sun May 10 14:55:44 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 19:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F7F5345D3942E8BDE01FE95177DBC9@Paramount> Ah yes, I should have thought of that. So presumably the status is stored in NVM, which would keep it switched on during a power outage. I?ll now check my PSU and (if none is present) add a crowbar circuit to the output, so that it kills the PSU if it goes above 14.5 volts. 73, Alan. G4GNX From: Rick Tavan N6XI Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:48 PM To: G4GNX Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. No, it's not mechanical. Since the K3 can also be powered on remotely, the front-panel switch is logical, not hard on/off. /Rick N6XI On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, G4GNX wrote: Following a mishap with a PSU, our local club?s K3 is in need of repair and I don?t want anything similar to happen to mine. The PSU is a linear device with a voltage control potentiometer and a meter. The operator had an issue with the PSU which was showing an output of 15 volts; the K3 was connected and working. He switched off the PSU to ?exercise? the potentiometer and unfortunately turned it back on with the K3 still connected and switched on. The reading was still 15 volts, so he touched the potentiometer again and the K3 started to emit smoke and died. At this time, we?re assuming that the PSU grossly over-volted. My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? If it is, then my fears will not be realized because I ALWAYS turn on my PSU AND check the output voltage on its meter before turning on the K3. It will be interesting to find out what died in the K3. I hope it?s not too expensive. 73, Alan. G4GNX From lists at subich.com Sun May 10 15:11:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:11:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554FAD74.90109@subich.com> > My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? No. See the schematics available on the Elecraft Download pages. Power switching is controlled by a FET (Q2 on the RF board). There is a +13.8 "always on" line via a 1K resistor for power control and unswitched +13.8V is supplied to the KPAIO3/KPA3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-10 2:42 PM, G4GNX wrote: > Following a mishap with a PSU, our local club?s K3 is in need of repair and I don?t want anything similar to happen to mine. > > The PSU is a linear device with a voltage control potentiometer and a meter. The operator had an issue with the PSU which was showing an output of 15 volts; the K3 was connected and working. He switched off the PSU to ?exercise? the potentiometer and unfortunately turned it back on with the K3 still connected and switched on. The reading was still 15 volts, so he touched the potentiometer again and the K3 started to emit smoke and died. At this time, we?re assuming that the PSU grossly over-volted. > > My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? If it is, then my fears will not be realized because I ALWAYS turn on my PSU AND check the output voltage on its meter before turning on the K3. > > It will be interesting to find out what died in the K3. I hope it?s not too expensive. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun May 10 16:19:53 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:19:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In-Reply-To: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> References: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <03616F99-5C82-407F-A3E0-A7BC00639226@wunderwood.org> The KX3 can radiate some VHF from the antenna connector, even during receive. See: "Upgraded BNC connector for KX3." http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 This change is included with all new factory assembled KX3s with a serial number higher than 2406. It is included with all new KX3 kits with a serial number higher than 2492. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 10, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Graham g3tct wrote: > In the past, users have reported qrm radiated from the P3 display, particularly on 2m. Has anyone had this problem with the PX3? If so, were you using the KX3 internal transverter or an external one? > > Graham > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 10 16:24:53 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:24:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> OTOH, a K3 will play just fine and not incur the wrath of the BW cops when fired up "right out of the box." In fact, it is wise to use it some, become familiar with the manual and menus, and have Fred Cady's book open to the correct page before changing anything. Elecraft has wisely omitted the menu entry to change the keying waveform found on some other transceivers in the upper price classes. If I got an unsolicited email from a stranger telling me something was wrong with my signal, I doubt I'd panic [the FCC seems to have run out of "pink slips" several decades ago], but I'd check it out with a reliable friend just in case. RF into the mic circuit can cause a whole lot of trouble in an otherwise pristine radio. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/10/2015 11:22 AM, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote: > Grant, I understand what you're saying, but there are a lot of hams > that think that the factory defaults that their particular radio > shipped with are just fine when they could be improved with > assistance, or they think that if a little adjustment is good, more > is better. > > Matthew PittsN8OHU From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 16:37:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gerry Kersus via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 16:37:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d1b911ea9-bdd-16a09@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <14d3f8c3c25-219c-e0ee@webprd-m46.mail.aol.com> Don, This is to provide closure to my problem: I did locate the new connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B on the K3 Main board were discolored. I replaced the 6 pins as well as the mating 13x2 connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not see any discoloration on the P68B connector. So, I just replaced the 6 pins with the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. After 48 hours, including about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly: When trying to remove the two 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, neither screw would budge. (There were no problems with any other screws). I even tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's like the screws had galled. I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I will need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. Tnx again for your help. Gerry, W1GD -----Original Message----- From: w1gd To: don ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Tnx Don, Actually I did look at the K3 Manual but the breaker has not tripped. Since the KPA3 does work some of the time, I assume it's not a KPA3 short. I read this list regularly and I am aware of the connector issue with early K3s including mine. In fact, I believe that I have the replacement connector because Elecraft sent it to me when I had issues with other connectors. I have not replaced it since I didn't have this problem before. I have already reviewed the replacement instructions -- it does seem like a fair about of dis-assembly is needed to access the connector. While I've done this level of dis-assembly several times before, I was just hoping to avoid it. As I recall there was also another hard-wired fix, but I'm not sure it's any easier to install. I guess I'll go find the new connector....... 73, Gerry, W1GD -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: w1gd ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 3, 2015 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Gerry, There are several reasons for ERR 12V - look in the manual Error chart for possible activities. There is another possibility that is not in the manual. See http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPA3%20Power%20Connector%20Replacement.pdf I am curious why you said "other than replacing the KPA3 power connector" - unless you have already made that change. On earlier K3s, gold pins were not initially used for the 12v power pins to the KPA3. In some cases, the tinned pins were not sufficient to carry the required current. Elecraft does offer a KPA3CONMDKT to allow you to change those pins to gold plated types. You may order that kit from parts at elecraft.com. I recall they are being provided at no cost. The kit is not difficult to install, but it does require removing the rear panel from the K3 to gain access and you can expect to spend some time removing screws. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/3/2015 3:34 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. > > > Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? > Thanks, > Gerry, W1GD > From davidahrendts at me.com Sun May 10 16:44:09 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 13:44:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pignology PIGLET For Sale Message-ID: Purchased new 11/28/14 with the KX3 Serial Cable for $117.06. This remarkable device not really used at all. Offering for $85 or best offer. Free shipping UPS CONUS-only. 30-day money back guarantee. 1-day processing. Contact me off-list: DavidAhrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 10 17:01:43 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In-Reply-To: <03616F99-5C82-407F-A3E0-A7BC00639226@wunderwood.org> References: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> <03616F99-5C82-407F-A3E0-A7BC00639226@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <554FC737.9020406@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,5/10/2015 1:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The KX3 can radiate some VHF from the antenna connector, even during receive. And also from cables connected to the ACC and I/Q connectors -- because they are insulated from the enclosure, they are a Pin One Problem. 73, Jim K9YC From phils at riousa.com Sun May 10 17:18:22 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net results from May 10, 2015 In-Reply-To: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> References: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> Message-ID: <3D4A8E95-5167-4FA9-A1E1-0D67BEB546C4@riousa.com> Propagation was poor and the band was very noisy. We struggled to get the 19 participants. Eric, WB9JNZ, suggested that a check-in from Dayton would be cool. Anybody want to try? Here is the list of stations: CALL NAME QTH RIG NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 W7HD Ron AZ KX3 6966 QRP AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 K7BRR Bill AZ K3 5545 W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 N0MEU Jay CO KX3 4351 KF7GC Tommy AZ K2 5818 WW4JF John TN K3 6185 K8TE Bill NM K3 8343 KD4Z Warren GA K3 8902 KC9LIF Kent IL K3 6896 K4GCJ Jerry NC K3 1597 K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP KI6SSN Clint CA K3 2058 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From don at w3fpr.com Sun May 10 17:39:13 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 17:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d3f8c3c25-219c-e0ee@webprd-m46.mail.aol.com> References: <14d3f8c3c25-219c-e0ee@webprd-m46.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <554FD001.50507@w3fpr.com> Gerry, I am glad it has worked well for you. Did you install stainless steel screws in the past? That may be one reason for the galling. Steel into aluminum is not usually a problem, but it can be at times - it is worse with stainless steel than with regular steel screws. The black screws are supposed to have a bit of a lubricating coating, but it does no harm to give it a little bit more lubrication - and I do mean a *little* bit - add a drop to the screw threads and blot the excess off with a paper towel, that is all it takes. When you replace the 2D connectors and the screws, us a tiny drop of oil on the threads - remember, you do not want any runoff. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 4:37 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > This is to provide closure to my problem: > > > I did locate the new connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B on the K3 Main board were discolored. I replaced the 6 pins as well as the mating 13x2 connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not see any discoloration on the P68B connector. So, I just replaced the 6 pins with the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. > > > After 48 hours, including about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. > > > I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly: When trying to remove the two 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, neither screw would budge. (There were no problems with any other screws). I even tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's like the screws had galled. I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I will need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. > > From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 10 18:49:11 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wide Bandwidth CW Signals Message-ID: As some have pointed out, getting an email from someone you don't know, stating your signal is wide and not clean, would draw a reaction of "who is this guy"? Terms such as Cop, Dudley do Right, where is his badge, President of HOA do come up. These types of comments are not surprising, but none the less, disappointing. It took decades for busy bodies to get it across to mfg.'s that the ham community wanted better receive performance on "close in" signals, but they finally got it. The weak link in the "system" is now the transmitter. Some may " go outside and find something actually productive to do". Others may bring it to the attention of the ham community in an effort to get the mfg's to fix the poor design of synthesizers and amplifiers If you have ever tried to work Sweepstakes CW, or the 160 meter CW contest, one would change their tune about "imaginary authority". It is even worse in Europe due to the density of operators, and then when you add in contest conditions, it is VERY difficult to find some elbow room (that should be there) be it for poor designs. It may not be intentional, but I have seen cases where it was CLEARLY intentional Screenshots, data and math does not lie. The facts are as presented. I see NO reason that a mfg'er shud allow the end user to adjust the CW wave shaping, as Icom, and Yaesu have. People have mentioned that a controlled test, using lab type setups would be more effective than an email. I agree. The ARRL has been publishing information on the performance of signal purity. If you do not subscribe to QST (a majority of hams are not members), you would have to do a significant amount of research and/or testing that is beyond the scope or capabilities of most ham operators. I challenge people to listen to the CWops Mini-CWT Test on May 14, 2015 at 03:00z to 04:00z (note the date and time is in UTC) and listen on 40m to a relatively packed band. Use a receiver that is better than an SX-28 and you will quickly be able to pick up signals that are full of key clicks, and those that are wide. Having a P3 makes it all the easier to also see these poor xmitters. Elecraft was asked to have the ability to have access to the code that performs wave shaping function in their rigs. Elecraft declined to offer this, and for a reason. Can you guess what that reason was? Jim W6AIM From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun May 10 18:49:55 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> Message-ID: I'm with Fred on this one. I want to put out a clean signal. If someone tells me I'm not, I'll at least investigate it. When I got my K3, I knew that the designers were a lot more experienced hams than I was. I used the settings "stock" for a long time. Most of them are still that way. One of the unsung advantages of Elecraft radios is that the designers are users. This is true of some of the other manufacturers as well. 73 Bill AE6JV 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/10/15 at 1:24 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: >If I got an unsolicited email from a stranger telling me >something was wrong with my signal, I doubt I'd panic [the FCC >seems to have run out of "pink slips" several decades ago], but >I'd check it out with a reliable friend just in case. RF into >the mic circuit can cause a whole lot of trouble in an >otherwise pristine radio. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun May 10 19:01:30 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 19:01:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wide Bandwidth CW Signals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554FE34A.5000905@embarqmail.com> Jim, At the risk of answering a rhetorical question, I would say that the reason Elecraft declined to give access to the code for the CW wave-shaping is two-fold. First is that the DSP code is Elecraft proprietary. Second is that they do not want anyone "messing" with the code that now provides a clean response to the CW waveshape. The K3 reputation for a clean signal is at stake. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 6:49 PM, jim wrote: > Elecraft was asked to have the ability to have access to the code that > performs wave shaping function in their rigs. Elecraft declined to offer > this, and for a reason. > > Can you guess what that reason was? > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 19:43:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gerry Kersus via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 19:43:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <554FD001.50507@w3fpr.com> Message-ID: <14d40368358-267a-10a59@webprd-m62.mail.aol.com> No, these were the stock screws. I'm surprised they stuck like they did. None of the other black screws have had a problem and the radio has certainly have never been in a high humidity environment. I will used the "little" bit of lubricant when I replace them. 73, Gerry, D1GD -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: w1gd ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 10, 2015 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Gerry, I am glad it has worked well for you. Did you install stainless steel screws in the past? That may be one reason for the galling. Steel into aluminum is not usually a problem, but it can be at times - it is worse with stainless steel than with regular steel screws. The black screws are supposed to have a bit of a lubricating coating, but it does no harm to give it a little bit more lubrication - and I do mean a *little* bit - add a drop to the screw threads and blot the excess off with a paper towel, that is all it takes. When you replace the 2D connectors and the screws, us a tiny drop of oil on the threads - remember, you do not want any runoff. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 4:37 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > This is to provide closure to my problem: > > > I did locate the new connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B on the K3 Main board were discolored. I replaced the 6 pins as well as the mating 13x2 connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not see any discoloration on the P68B connector. So, I just replaced the 6 pins with the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. > > > After 48 hours, including about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. > > > I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly: When trying to remove the two 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, neither screw would budge. (There were no problems with any other screws). I even tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's like the screws had galled. I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I will need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 20:01:05 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d40368358-267a-10a59@webprd-m62.mail.aol.com> References: <14d40368358-267a-10a59@webprd-m62.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <327003955.3782982.1431302465428.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I had a stuck screw on my KPA500 that would not budge I removed all but the offending screw then turned the 2d block to loosen it. From: Gerry Kersus via Elecraft To: don at w3fpr.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message No, these were the stock screws.? I'm surprised they stuck like they did.? None of the other black screws have? had a problem and the radio has certainly have never been in a high humidity environment.? I will used the "little" bit of lubricant when I replace them. 73, Gerry, D1GD -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: w1gd ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 10, 2015 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Gerry, I am glad it has worked well for you. Did you install stainless steel screws in the past?? That may be one reason for the galling.? Steel into aluminum is not usually a problem, but it can be at times - it is worse with stainless steel than with regular steel screws.? The black screws are supposed to have a bit of a lubricating coating, but it does no harm to give it a little bit more lubrication - and I do mean a *little* bit - add a drop to the screw threads and blot the excess off with a paper towel, that is all it takes. When you replace the 2D connectors and the screws, us a tiny drop of oil on the threads - remember, you do not want any runoff. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 4:37 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > This is to provide closure to my problem: > > > I did locate the new connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B on the K3 Main board were discolored.? I replaced the 6 pins as well as the mating 13x2 connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not see any discoloration on the P68B connector.? So, I just replaced the 6 pins with the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. > > > After 48 hours, including about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. > > > I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly:? When trying to remove the two 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, neither screw would budge.? (There were no problems with any other screws).? I even tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's like the screws had galled.? I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I will need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 10 20:09:19 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 00:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <327003955.3782982.1431302465428.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <327003955.3782982.1431302465428.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1843368043.3761527.1431302959173.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Guys, if you must add lub to any thread, put a drop on a cloth and wipe the threads with it.? Do not over lub the threads.? Mel, K6KBE From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: "w1gd at aol.com" ; "don at w3fpr.com" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message I had a stuck screw on my KPA500 that would not budge I removed all but the offending screw then turned the 2d block to loosen it. ? ? ? From: Gerry Kersus via Elecraft To: don at w3fpr.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message ? No, these were the stock screws.? I'm surprised they stuck like they did.? None of the other black screws have? had a problem and the radio has certainly have never been in a high humidity environment.? I will used the "little" bit of lubricant when I replace them. 73, Gerry, D1GD -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: w1gd ; elecraft Sent: Sun, May 10, 2015 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message Gerry, I am glad it has worked well for you. Did you install stainless steel screws in the past?? That may be one reason for the galling.? Steel into aluminum is not usually a problem, but it can be at times - it is worse with stainless steel than with regular steel screws.? The black screws are supposed to have a bit of a lubricating coating, but it does no harm to give it a little bit more lubrication - and I do mean a *little* bit - add a drop to the screw threads and blot the excess off with a paper towel, that is all it takes. When you replace the 2D connectors and the screws, us a tiny drop of oil on the threads - remember, you do not want any runoff. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 4:37 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > This is to provide closure to my problem: > > > I did locate the new connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B on the K3 Main board were discolored.? I replaced the 6 pins as well as the mating 13x2 connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not see any discoloration on the P68B connector.? So, I just replaced the 6 pins with the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. > > > After 48 hours, including about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. > > > I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly:? When trying to remove the two 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, neither screw would budge.? (There were no problems with any other screws).? I even tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's like the screws had galled.? I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I will need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 10 20:17:18 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 17:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wide Bandwidth CW Signals In-Reply-To: <554FE34A.5000905@embarqmail.com> References: <554FE34A.5000905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, I agree with one of your statements in ref to the code being proprietary. In ref to the second statement, Elecraft could have developed a menu option (just like Yaesu and Icom) so the end used could change the shaping to suit their "needs". Elecraft chose not to as it can only get worse as it relates of spectrum purity. The out of box menu defaults by Yaesu and Icom provide for a poor transmit spectrum, and can be made worse if the end user desires to. My efforts to alert other operators of their poor CW spectrum are met responses to "Why does it matter" to some that are unaware the adjustment is available. When I do alert others about their wide signal, I include a reference to K6XX and K9YC articles, in addition to signals that utilize the spectrum more efficiently. Most respones to my emails are to "take a leap", to all the way to the other end of the curve that one user sent his radio (FT-100MP) to get it fixed. The market will dictate how the mfg'ers will respond to cleaning up the spectral purity. It took decades for them to improve the receive side of the equation. Short of the FCC mandating an improved spectral purity (It is already implemented on the marine side of their business segment), it will take the end market voting with their wallets and buying equipment that have better spectral purity. Take a listen to the CWops Mini-CWT Test on May 14, 2015 at 03:00z to 04:00z (note the date and time is in UTC) and listen on 40m to a relatively packed band. Use a receiver that is better than an SX-28 and you will quickly be able to pick up signals that are full of key clicks, and those that are wide. Having a P3 makes it all the easier to see these poor xmitters. The available spectrum IS limited, and inferior equipment makes band utilization poor. We are very quick to complain about someone on SSB being too wide, with splatter, inter-mod, etc. but we are somewhat muffled when the issue relates to CW. Maybe if the market was more informed on the performance (or lack of) of the equipment they are using, a change for the better can be effected. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 4:02 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wide Bandwidth CW Signals Jim, At the risk of answering a rhetorical question, I would say that the reason Elecraft declined to give access to the code for the CW wave-shaping is two-fold. First is that the DSP code is Elecraft proprietary. Second is that they do not want anyone "messing" with the code that now provides a clean response to the CW waveshape. The K3 reputation for a clean signal is at stake. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/10/2015 6:49 PM, jim wrote: > Elecraft was asked to have the ability to have access to the code that > performs wave shaping function in their rigs. Elecraft declined to offer > this, and for a reason. > > Can you guess what that reason was? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From edujoseg at gmail.com Sun May 10 21:46:55 2015 From: edujoseg at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Eduardo_Gonz=C3=A1lez?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 21:16:55 -0430 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Books for a Venezuelan Teacher Message-ID: Folks, i'm abusing using this great forum, sorry. I'm Eduardo (YV4GMJ) and need your help. I'm "elecrafter" (K3/P3) and i'm sure this great community can help me with donations. I started a campaign in indiegogo about "Books for a Venezuelan Teacher", URL is http://igg.me/at/Lb37bnJhu-g There is explained the case. Indiegogo collects money, but if you can donate books directly i will be eternally grateful Please, if you are interested in the issue, reply me directly 73s, Eduardo YY4GMJ From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Mon May 11 06:36:13 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:36:13 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. In-Reply-To: <000101d08b5f$175b2e70$46118b50$@gmail.com> References: <000101d08b5f$175b2e70$46118b50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm going to bring this up at the next discussion evening. We should be able to disable the voltage control pot, or replace it with a fixed resistor. The guy in question is actually very knowledgeable, so it's just bad luck this time. Even if we'd 'fixed' the PSU, it may have developed the fault anyway. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wood Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 9:22 PM To: 'G4GNX' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. after the fact this is clear but we don't allow variable voltage power supplies at club too many fumble fingers with membership over 100 and no telling who shows up at Field Day!! 73 W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 1:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Following a mishap with a PSU, our local club's K3 is in need of repair and I don't want anything similar to happen to mine. The PSU is a linear device with a voltage control potentiometer and a meter. The operator had an issue with the PSU which was showing an output of 15 volts; the K3 was connected and working. He switched off the PSU to 'exercise' the potentiometer and unfortunately turned it back on with the K3 still connected and switched on. The reading was still 15 volts, so he touched the potentiometer again and the K3 started to emit smoke and died. At this time, we're assuming that the PSU grossly over-volted. My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? If it is, then my fears will not be realized because I ALWAYS turn on my PSU AND check the output voltage on its meter before turning on the K3. It will be interesting to find out what died in the K3. I hope it's not too expensive. 73, Alan. G4GNX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Mon May 11 08:52:58 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 07:52:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> Message-ID: <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> On Sun, 10 May 2015 13:24:53 -0700 Fred Jensen wrote: > OTOH, a K3 will play just fine and not incur the wrath of the BW cops Notr true at all. The K3's transmit IMD numbers aren't any better than any other manuafactuirers and probably worse than the 200W rigs because they use 24 or 50V finals. Elecraft needs to quit messing with the spectacular receiver they built and work on cleaning up the transmitter. If that means dumping the 12V finals for higher voltage cleaner types so be it. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H From kd1na363 at gmail.com Mon May 11 09:06:45 2015 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:06:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Gonset 6 meter communicator Message-ID: Thanks for all that replied. I have now got the schematic and parts list I was looking for. 73 Dave KD1NA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 11 12:39:00 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 5:52 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: > The K3's transmit IMD numbers aren't any better than any other manuafactuirers and probably worse than the 200W rigs because they use 24 or 50V finals. That's true ONLY at full power. What matters a LOT more is IMD at the lower power levels required to drive power amps to legal limit. At reduced power levels IMD in the K3 is reduced significantly, while the IMD in the other rigs I've tested do NOT. See K6XX's bench data in http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf Even more important, IMD is only part of the problem. An equally important part is the shaping of CW rise and fall times, which is what excites IMD. The K3's CW bandwidth is the best of all rigs tested by ARRL. Their closest competitor is the Kenwood TS-590S. And then there's phase noise -- again, the K3 is in the top 3 rigs, and the recent synth board upgrade improved it by 5-6 dB. See ARRL data here. http://k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf And here's my measured data for a K3 driving a KPA500 and a Ten Tec Titan. Note that this includes the combined IMD products of the K3 and those amps. P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf and FTDX5000_Report.pdf > Elecraft needs to quit messing with the spectacular receiver they built and work on cleaning up the transmitter. If that means dumping the 12V finals for higher voltage cleaner types so be it. See above. 73, Jim K9YC From wes at triconet.org Mon May 11 12:55:20 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:55:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5550DEF8.7060505@triconet.org> You've received some other advice/opinions about whether or not "ground" is "ground." I won't expand on that but will address the real problem that you pose. IMHO, whether or not you "ground", "short" or otherwise screw up the impedance of the driven element of the inactive antenna, there will be interaction between the two antennas. Regardless of what you do to the inactive antenna's DE, all of the elements on both antennas are coupled. To what extent, who knows? This is true whenever there are two or more antennas in proximity Sometimes the effect is useful (stacked antennas); sometimes not. The only real way to know is to do some modeling. You might see some effect upon the driven impedance of the active antenna, but this doesn't predict directivity effects. One option might be to rotate one boom 90 degrees to the other. Of course, now the boom of one antenna might upset the elements of the other. Absent a science project, I suggest that you don't worry about it. If you want to have some fun, however, you could ask Cushcraft to explain themselves. Wes N7WS On Fri,5/8/2015 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: >> I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? From nwgarner at gmail.com Mon May 11 12:58:58 2015 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:58:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Forum Presentation Message-ID: Howdy Folks, Each year at Dayton I give a presentation on iOS and Android rig control. This year I'll be talking about a project I've been working on to connect my K3 to an Internet of Things cloud service. Here's a picture of the board I've put together: http://i.imgur.com/Mk4KIRk.jpg The board plugs directly into the back of the K3, into the RS-232 and DE-15 Accessory port. I used Powerpoles to easily connect to the shack power. The switched power jack on the back of the K3 could be used but then I couldn't remotely turn on the K3. The Electric Imp module creates a bridge from the K3 to the Internet allowing remote control. I did a quick UI that talks to the REST API I've put together for control: http://i.imgur.com/0I4lxMs.png I also made an iOS app that talks to the same REST API that I'll be discussing. If you have some free time on Friday morning, stop by Forum room 5 at 10:30 AM. Here's the abstract that for some reason hasn't been updated on the Hamvention website: Nick, N3WG, from Pignology, LLC will be giving an overview of a project to build a low-cost, Internet controlled, rig controller. The project uses the Wi-Fi module from Electric Imp to send control signals to/from an Elecraft K3, including remote power-on/off. The concept of using Electric Imp for remote control and sensing can be extended to anything in the shack you might need to actuate with an always on, low-power device. Nick will discuss where this idea came from, the technology in use and give an overview of the circuit board he created for the project. 73, Nick N3WG From davidahrendts at me.com Mon May 11 12:59:47 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:59:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <5550DEF8.7060505@triconet.org> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5550DEF8.7060505@triconet.org> Message-ID: <9C4825BE-7AAD-461F-9D8E-635680C887CA@me.com> Thanks everyone for all of the advice. Declaring this thread concluded. > On May 11, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > > You've received some other advice/opinions about whether or not "ground" is "ground." > > I won't expand on that but will address the real problem that you pose. IMHO, whether or not you "ground", "short" or otherwise screw up the impedance of the driven element of the inactive antenna, there will be interaction between the two antennas. Regardless of what you do to the inactive antenna's DE, all of the elements on both antennas are coupled. To what extent, who knows? > > This is true whenever there are two or more antennas in proximity Sometimes the effect is useful (stacked antennas); sometimes not. The only real way to know is to do some modeling. You might see some effect upon the driven impedance of the active antenna, but this doesn't predict directivity effects. One option might be to rotate one boom 90 degrees to the other. Of course, now the boom of one antenna might upset the elements of the other. Absent a science project, I suggest that you don't worry about it. > > If you want to have some fun, however, you could ask Cushcraft to explain themselves. > > Wes N7WS > > On Fri,5/8/2015 5:18 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: >>> I?m considering stacking the Cushcraft A503S 6M yagi with my MA5B mini-beam rather closely ? like five-feet vertical separation (Rohn five-foot tripod on the roof in a tight lot). Cushcraft recommends using an antenna switch to ground the unused antenna since the two would react with each other at 17M. Both would be connected to the KAT500. So here?s the question: are the un-selected antennas out of the three on the KAT500 grounded through the KAT500 or do they remain just unattached but active? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From phystad at mac.com Mon May 11 13:22:16 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:22:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2-Meter Option Operations -- Bug? Message-ID: <39DF290C-19DC-4A72-9978-CAD4042C66C8@mac.com> I have had my 2-meter option board installed in my KX3 for almost six months but I am just now beginning to set it up and use it. I discovered a small foible in using the memory recall feature which I have not used prior to this work with 2-meters. I am wondering if this is correct behavior or a small ?bug?. To Recall a stored frequency setting from memory, the instructions are to do the following: 1. Hold RCL 2. Use VFO A to select desired memory location. 3. Hit any button to exit. So, this works ? as long as you purposely execute step (2) by actually moving the VFO A. That is, when I execute hold RCL and if the desired memory location is already selected and displayed, and if I then just hit any button to exit then that memory location is NOT recalled. In order to recall I do have to move VFO A off of that desired memory location and then back to it again before hitting ?any? key to exit and thus setting the VFO to my desired frequency. Is this right? I would prefer that if I was already positioned on the desired memory location that I could skip step (2) and just hit a key to exit. It seems more logical that way. Now, if I wanted to exit without actually making a selection then I can see a problem. In this case, I think it would be better to have the memory recall selection confirmation be by specific key such as hitting the Band+ key (same as RCL without the hold) to make a positive explicit selection and any other key would exit without making a selection. This seems to be a better way to operate (ALTM ? at least to me). 73, phil, K7PEH From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon May 11 13:44:12 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 10:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding In-Reply-To: <5550DEF8.7060505@triconet.org> References: <554E5697.8020602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1181034796.3580265.1431274084976.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5550DEF8.7060505@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5550EA6C.9020700@foothill.net> Indeed. We live on a more or less rectangular 5 acres. A 69 KV tie line connecting two hydroelectric power plants N and S of us transits the SE corner of the property. Under it are primary 12 KV distribution lines. When preparing my comments to the FCC during the BPL bruhaha some years ago, I noted most of the comments focused on BPL interference *to* ham operations. The other side of that equation is equally troublesome if my operations destroys my neighbor's Internet access. So, I modeled the 12 KV distribution lines and my closest antenna in EZNEC-4. I found that on 80 - 10, the coupling between my antenna and the power lines was a fairly constant -28 dB. On 160, it was -17 dB, I think because the lines and antenna are in each other's near field at that low frequency. A -30 dB coupling coefficient means that 1 KW puts 1 W into the into the power lines, which no doubt would have saturated my neighbors BPL modem had BPL actually been deployed around here. If the "antennas" are in the near fields, the coupling would have put around 50 watts into the power lines. The power lines are essentially non-resonant, so yes, a nearby unused antenna can produce significant amounts of power just from proximity to a working antenna. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/11/2015 9:55 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I won't expand on that but will address the real problem that you pose. > IMHO, whether or not you "ground", "short" or otherwise screw up the > impedance of the driven element of the inactive antenna, there will be > interaction between the two antennas. Regardless of what you do to the > inactive antenna's DE, all of the elements on both antennas are > coupled. To what extent, who knows? From k5hm.ron at gmail.com Mon May 11 14:13:31 2015 From: k5hm.ron at gmail.com (K5HM) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 13:13:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub REceiver install Message-ID: <036a01d08c16$313c02d0$93b40870$@gmail.com> I got the Sub receiver installed along with the new synthesizers. It seems to be performing well. Everything works. I did not appreciate how close the clearances are inside that little box until now. Anyway, thanks for the helpful suggestions about installing the unit in the recvr compartment. Taking the side panel off was the key to making sure the Sub Receiver was lined up correctly. 73, Ron, K5HM k5hm.ron at gmail.com www.qrz.com/db/k5hm ??????? Excelsior! From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Mon May 11 14:36:09 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:36:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 front panel replacement Message-ID: I had screen printing scratch off of the front of my KX3 and Elecraft sent me a new front face plate. I'm assuming that if I start in the assembly manual (I have Revision G2, Dated May 1 2013 printed and am working on printing Revision G5) and work backwards from page 18 with the current radio (it was factory built) and rebuild the front panel from that point everything should be as outlined in the Assembly manual, only in reverse at first. correct? Another question (since I've had two faceplates that have had the screen printing scratch off) is can I use something to spray on the faceplate to make it a little harder to damage the screen printing? The XYL has some spray acrylic sealer that she thinks will do the trick and I was thinking about disassembling the radio to use the face plate with the damaged screen printing to test on. Any suggestions if this stuff won't work? Thanks, 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3 # 7480 NAQCC # 7704 OMISS # 9948 4sqrp # 990 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 11 14:46:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 18:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries Message-ID: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I was considering getting the charger board and putting in rechargeable batteries but the though of them leaking and damaging the KX3 has shied me away from that. I was curious about what others are using for batteries for the KX3. Preferably in some sort of an external pack. Thank you From nf4l at comcast.net Mon May 11 14:50:57 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 front panel replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <356CC28E-B1E5-4BDD-94AD-D41000D9569B@comcast.net> I'd be tempted to try a matte finish spray-on polyurethane. If you're near a city with a good graphics art supply or art store, go in and look at dry transfer letter sets. I'll bet you could find a pretty good match to the panel lettering. They are definitely fragile and a cover spray would be necessary. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 11, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > I had screen printing scratch off of the front of my KX3 and Elecraft sent > me a new front face plate. > > I'm assuming that if I start in the assembly manual (I have Revision G2, > Dated May 1 2013 printed and am working on printing Revision G5) and work > backwards from page 18 with the current radio (it was factory built) and > rebuild the front panel from that point everything should be as outlined in > the Assembly manual, only in reverse at first. correct? > > Another question (since I've had two faceplates that have had the screen > printing scratch off) is can I use something to spray on the faceplate to > make it a little harder to damage the screen printing? The XYL has some > spray acrylic sealer that she thinks will do the trick and I was thinking > about disassembling the radio to use the face plate with the damaged > screen printing to test on. Any suggestions if this stuff won't work? > > Thanks, > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3 # 7480 > > NAQCC # 7704 > OMISS # 9948 > 4sqrp # 990 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From mhvnmn at gmail.com Mon May 11 14:53:32 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:53:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92F7E4A8-C6DB-4E20-B01F-B1B9F44B8712@gmail.com> I've never had rechargeable batteries leak, only alkalines. Two of my KX3s have the popular Panasonic NIMH Eneloop AAs and they work well. The other KX3 relies on outside power. -- Marc W8SDG > On May 11, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was considering getting the charger board and putting in rechargeable batteries but the though of them leaking and damaging the KX3 From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon May 11 15:07:32 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 15:07:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <92F7E4A8-C6DB-4E20-B01F-B1B9F44B8712@gmail.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <92F7E4A8-C6DB-4E20-B01F-B1B9F44B8712@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A7FD793-717B-4042-A514-2BFD66CF2D8D@verizon.net> Ditto. NiMH cells are quite stable, very very unlikely to leak. Elecraft -recommends- NiMH cells. The clock/charger board is - designed- for NiMH cells. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 11, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > I've never had rechargeable batteries leak, only alkalines. > > Two of my KX3s have the popular Panasonic NIMH Eneloop AAs and they > work well. > > The other KX3 relies on outside power. > -- > Marc W8SDG > >> On May 11, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft > > wrote: >> I was considering getting the charger board and putting in >> rechargeable batteries but the though of them leaking and damaging >> the KX3 From esteptony at gmail.com Mon May 11 15:08:31 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:08:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Harry, I have NiMH in my KX3. For many years I was an active RC flyer and used NiMH for my receiver packs. I must have put 1000 cycles on them in total over many planes and many years, and never had one leak. However, having said that, I recently found an unused single cell in my parts box that had leaked, just enough to be visible, not enough to damage anything. It had been there for 5 years or more. If you use NiMH in the KX3 I'm sure it's a good idea to check every few months, and maybe replace them after a year or two, or if you notice that they don't hold as much charge as they did when new. 73, Tony KT0NY On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I was considering getting the charger board and putting in rechargeable > batteries but the though of them leaking and damaging the KX3 has shied me > away from that. > > > I was curious about what others are using for batteries for the KX3. > Preferably in some sort of an external pack. > > > Thank you > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > From ormandj at corenode.com Mon May 11 15:24:10 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <1843368043.3761527.1431302959173.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <327003955.3782982.1431302465428.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1843368043.3761527.1431302959173.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would use anti-seize for the threads instead of a normal lubricant, it can reduce issues between dissimilar metals and reduce galling. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Guys, if you must add lub to any thread, put a drop on a cloth and wipe > the threads with it. Do not over lub the threads. > > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft > To: "w1gd at aol.com" ; "don at w3fpr.com" ; " > elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message > > > I had a stuck screw on my KPA500 that would not budge I removed > all but the offending screw then turned the 2d block to loosen it. > > > > From: Gerry Kersus via Elecraft > To: don at w3fpr.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message > > No, these were the stock screws. I'm surprised they stuck like they > did. None of the other black screws have had a problem and the radio has > certainly have never been in a high humidity environment. I will used the > "little" bit of lubricant when I replace them. > > > 73, > Gerry, D1GD > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm > To: w1gd ; elecraft > Sent: Sun, May 10, 2015 5:39 pm > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message > > > Gerry, > > I am glad it has worked well for you. > > Did you install stainless > steel screws in the past? That may be one > reason for the galling. Steel into > aluminum is not usually a problem, > but it can be at times - it is worse with > stainless steel than with > regular steel screws. The black screws are supposed > to have a bit of a > lubricating coating, but it does no harm to give it a > little bit more > lubrication - and I do mean a *little* bit - add a drop to the > screw > threads and blot the excess off with a paper towel, that is all it > takes. > When you replace the 2D connectors and the screws, us a tiny drop of oil > > on the threads - remember, you do not want any runoff. > > 73, > Don > W3FPR > > > On 5/10/2015 4:37 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft wrote: > > Don, > > > This is to provide closure to my problem: > > > > > > I did locate the new > connectors. After dis-assembly of the K3, I found that the 6 pins on P67B > on the > K3 Main board were discolored. I replaced the 6 pins as well as the > mating 13x2 > connector J67B on the KPAIO3 board. Even under magnification, I could not > see > any discoloration on the P68B connector. So, I just replaced the 6 pins > with > the new gold pin connection and not the J68B. > > > > > > After 48 hours, including > about 100 contacts in the CQ M contest, everything seems to be normal. > > > > > > > I did encounter an problem during dis-assembly: When trying to remove the > two > 4-40 pan head screws holding the rear panel to the bottom 2D fasteners, > neither > screw would budge. (There were no problems with any other screws). I even > tried my reliable screw extractor, but that didn't work either -- it's > like the > screws had galled. I re-assembled the K3 without those two screws, but I > will > need to order two new 2D connectors and 4-40 pan head screws. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From ab7r at cablespeed.com Mon May 11 15:30:49 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dreaded ERR 12V Message In-Reply-To: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> References: <14d1b45ad0d-bdd-163ea@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Gerry, Send an email to K3Support (Gary) and ask him for the diagram for bypassing the header for the 12V line. I may have it at home somewhere but not sure. 73 Greg On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Gerry Kersus via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > While operating 20CW with about 100 watts, my K3 (S/N 1428) suddenly > displayed the dreaded ERR 12V message. The circuit breaker did not trip. I > was not able to operate even at low power until I powered off and then back > on. I was able to operate again, but it would intermittently display the > message again. I was able to operate fine with 10 watts (after powering > off/on) This happened on other bands and on SSB. I noticed that as I > turned the power level clockwise while listening that the background noise > noticeable dropped with the power level went over 12 watts. I also > occasionally got the message even while not transmitting. > > > Any other advice (besides replacing the KPA3 power connector)? > Thanks, > Gerry, W1GD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ab7r at cablespeed.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 11 15:54:50 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 12:08 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Harry, I have NiMH in my KX3. I have a set of 2.8 Ah NiMH cells in my KX3, which has the recharging module. I also bought one of these 12V - 20Ah units for longer operating periods. LiFEPO4 is the preferred battery chemistry, and this particular model has the lightest weight I've found. I paid about $250 for battery and charger w/tax and shipping. http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-black-pvc-pack 73, Jim K9YC From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Mon May 11 16:09:58 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:09:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In-Reply-To: <554FC737.9020406@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> <03616F99-5C82-407F-A3E0-A7BC00639226@wunderwood.org> <554FC737.9020406@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55510C96.5020109@g3tct.co.uk> Thanks everyone for replies. I have only one reply from Emory saying no qrm from PX3. Any others want to chip in on whether they get qrm on VHF from the PX3 specifically? Jim, that figures - I have found problems connecting the KX3 to a USB sound card, when I have to use an audio isolator to stop the spectrum being filled with carriers. And even then it's not perfect. Graham G3TCT On 19:59, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,5/10/2015 1:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> The KX3 can radiate some VHF from the antenna connector, even during >> receive. > > And also from cables connected to the ACC and I/Q connectors -- > because they are insulated from the enclosure, they are a Pin One > Problem. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 11 16:23:32 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 13:23:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - qrm on VHF? In-Reply-To: <55510C96.5020109@g3tct.co.uk> References: <554F882D.4090507@g3tct.co.uk> <03616F99-5C82-407F-A3E0-A7BC00639226@wunderwood.org> <554FC737.9020406@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55510C96.5020109@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <55510FC4.6090300@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 1:09 PM, Graham g3tct wrote: > Jim, that figures - I have found problems connecting the KX3 to a USB > sound card, when I have to use an audio isolator to stop the spectrum > being filled with carriers. And even then it's not perfect. A good common mode choke and proper chassis-to-chassis bonding is probably a less expensive solution. With that bonding, there should be no need for an audio isolator, and the right choke should kill any RF. 73, From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Mon May 11 16:48:50 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555115B2.1020901@gmail.com> I use: With the Elecraft NiMH charger... * 2550mAh type, 2450mAh min, Ni-MH High Capacity pre-charged rechargeable battery * Recharge up to 500 times * Maintain 85% of their charge up to 1 year (when not in use) * No memory effect - batteries can be recharged when fully, or partially discharged * Work in extreme temperatures down to -4 DegreeF Panasonic BK-3HCCA8BA*Eneloop Pro AA High Capacity Ni-MH *Pre-Charged Rechargeable Batteries, 8-Pack http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JHKSL28/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=28VPZ85K0BU48&coliid=I1TVX5ZVH8C4MB&psc=1 I also use an external battery pack to run 10W: A123 homemade battery pack {4 cells - cost about $40} http://www.a123rc.com/goods-101-8+PCS+Nano-Phosphate+LiFePO4+Original+A123+ANR26650M1A+Cell.html 73, steve WB3LGC On 11-May-15 2:46 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was considering getting the charger board and putting in rechargeable batteries but the though of them leaking and damaging the KX3 has shied me away from that. > > > I was curious about what others are using for batteries for the KX3. Preferably in some sort of an external pack. > > > Thank you > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 16:50:59 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:50:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55511633.30504@subich.com> On 2015-05-11 12:39 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > That's true ONLY at full power. What matters a LOT more is IMD at > the lower power levels required to drive power amps to legal limit. > At reduced power levels IMD in the K3 is reduced significantly, while > the IMD in the other rigs I've tested do NOT. Considering that a great many stations operate at the 100 - 150W level *with no amplifier*, moving to 48V final amplifiers capable of -37 dB or better IMD is *very* important. Continued insistence on PAs that operate on a lead-acid battery for home stations at the 100W level is a blind spot. At least choose devices that will operate at either 12/24 or 12/48V and design the transformers so that the PA can operate at 200W with 48 V and 25W at 12V with excellent IMD. Those that refuse to use reasonable dual voltage power supplies can still limp along with their back-pack compatible battery supplies but those who prefer to operate at the traditional 100W "barefoot" level can do so with clean signals that befit the rest of the K3 design. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From kcrossett at gmail.com Mon May 11 17:54:07 2015 From: kcrossett at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:54:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out In-Reply-To: <9B2DE79E-34F0-4425-AB44-369F7075EFFA@gmail.com> References: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> <9B2DE79E-34F0-4425-AB44-369F7075EFFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15D12C01-FFC2-490C-B59C-C90AAC56E7C3@gmail.com> I had the same problem. Electrical tape did the trick. Thanks to Don for the assistance on that head scratcher. > On May 9, 2015, at 15:24, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > > Someone else on this list recently experienced the exact same problem after he had opened up his rig to install a KDSP2. I think a bit of insulating tape fixed it for good. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > >> gmail.com From kcrossett at gmail.com Mon May 11 17:54:40 2015 From: kcrossett at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new K2 rx audio problem figured out In-Reply-To: <15D12C01-FFC2-490C-B59C-C90AAC56E7C3@gmail.com> References: <554E1D10.1020207@att.net> <9B2DE79E-34F0-4425-AB44-369F7075EFFA@gmail.com> <15D12C01-FFC2-490C-B59C-C90AAC56E7C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <426AAA2F-61EA-4557-BF29-C482775ADBA5@gmail.com> Sorry. Didn't sign off Kevin KN4M > On May 11, 2015, at 17:54, Gmail wrote: > > I had the same problem. Electrical tape did the trick. Thanks to Don for the assistance on that head scratcher. > > >> On May 9, 2015, at 15:24, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >> >> Someone else on this list recently experienced the exact same problem after he had opened up his rig to install a KDSP2. I think a bit of insulating tape fixed it for good. >> >> 73, >> Matt VK2RQ >> >>> gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 11 18:05:58 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1850174774.4483459.1431381958094.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, My KX3 set up is similar with a couple of added items.? I have the LiFePO4 12V 9.9 AH battery, the LFP Battery Smart charger, and a Mercury 27 watt fold-able solar panel with both 12 VDC and USB 5V ports.? The solar panel keeps the battery charged and the USB for any accessories.....? FUNNNN. Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries On Mon,5/11/2015 12:08 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Harry, I have NiMH in my KX3. I have a set of 2.8 Ah NiMH cells in my KX3, which has the recharging module. I also bought one of these 12V - 20Ah units for longer operating periods. LiFEPO4 is the preferred battery chemistry, and this particular model has the lightest weight I've found. I paid about $250 for battery and charger w/tax and shipping. http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-black-pvc-pack 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Mon May 11 19:58:13 2015 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:58:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi everyone, I've just been looking at the latest MFJ catalog and I noticed that they list a MFJ 905K3 Internal ATU + second antenna port. Has anyone had a play yet? I'd be interested in your opinions. 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MFJ-s-new-Internal-K3-Tuner-anyone-tried-one-yet-tp7602435.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon May 11 20:20:20 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55514719.2010101@socal.rr.com> References: <55514719.2010101@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> I'd be very afraid, Jeff. Phil W7OX On 5/11/15 4:58 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: > Hi everyone, > I've just been looking at the latest MFJ catalog and I noticed that they > list a MFJ 905K3 Internal ATU + second antenna port. > Has anyone had a play yet? > I'd be interested in your opinions. > > 73 de > Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 11 20:46:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 00:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <1850174774.4483459.1431381958094.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1850174774.4483459.1431381958094.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <243370868.72765.1431391564219.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you all From: Mel Farrer via Elecraft To: "jim at audiosystemsgroup.com" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries Hi Jim, My KX3 set up is similar with a couple of added items.? I have the LiFePO4 12V 9.9 AH battery, the LFP Battery Smart charger, and a Mercury 27 watt fold-able solar panel with both 12 VDC and USB 5V ports.? The solar panel keeps the battery charged and the USB for any accessories.....? FUNNNN. Mel, K6KBE ? ? ? From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries ? On Mon,5/11/2015 12:08 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Harry, I have NiMH in my KX3. I have a set of 2.8 Ah NiMH cells in my KX3, which has the recharging module. I also bought one of these 12V - 20Ah units for longer operating periods. LiFEPO4 is the preferred battery chemistry, and this particular model has the lightest weight I've found. I paid about $250 for battery and charger w/tax and shipping. http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-black-pvc-pack 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 11 20:55:23 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 17:55:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55511633.30504@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> Message-ID: <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 1:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Considering that a great many stations operate at the 100 - 150W level > *with no amplifier*, moving to 48V final amplifiers capable of -37 dB > or better IMD is *very* important. I disagree, only because the signal is 12 dB weaker without the amp. And even at 100W, the K3 is cleaner than most rigs. 73, Jim K9YC From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon May 11 20:56:44 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:56:44 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> References: <55514719.2010101@socal.rr.com> <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Me too.....eyes rolling....!!!!! Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 12/05/2015 10:21 AM, "Phil Wheeler" wrote: > I'd be very afraid, Jeff. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/11/15 4:58 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I've just been looking at the latest MFJ catalog and I noticed that they >> list a MFJ 905K3 Internal ATU + second antenna port. >> Has anyone had a play yet? >> I'd be interested in your opinions. >> >> 73 de >> Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From jvandrey at gmail.com Mon May 11 21:24:29 2015 From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: Now...why would I risk my K3 with after market parts from a vendor that cannot even spell the word "Board" in the headline of their catalog listing for this product as shown below. Jobst AC0LP *MFJ-905K3* *PLUG-IN AUTO TUNER BAORD FOR ELECRAFT K3 XCEIVER* From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon May 11 21:35:40 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:35:40 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. I wonder what Elecraft think. He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely curious and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could improve on the kat3. But I am sure all the serial posters will pass a comment and not answer the question. It is what it is I guess. :-( On 12 May 2015 at 11:24, Jobst Vandrey wrote: > Now...why would I risk my K3 with after market parts from a vendor that > cannot even spell the word "Board" in the headline of their catalog listing > for this product as shown below. > > Jobst > AC0LP > > > > *MFJ-905K3* > *PLUG-IN AUTO TUNER BAORD FOR ELECRAFT K3 XCEIVER* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz Motorhome Portable* *Miss Behavin'* *Elecraft K3KPA500FT #18KAT500FT #007* From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon May 11 21:42:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the equipment to Elecraft for repair. How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending it for repair? 73, Don W3FPR On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. > > Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. > > I wonder what Elecraft think. > > He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely curious > and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding > product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could improve > on the kat3. > > From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 21:45:21 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:45:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55515B31.40409@subich.com> On 2015-05-11 8:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > I disagree, only because the signal is 12 dB weaker without the amp. > And even at 100W, the K3 is cleaner than most rigs. The K3 may be cleaner than low end 12V/100W rigs like the Icom 706mkIIg 7000, 7100, Yaesu FT-450/991, etc. but it is certainly *not* as clean as the other top of the line contest rigs like the Icom 7600/7800, Yaesu 2000/5000, Kenwood 990, etc. For example, ARRL measured the K3 at -29/-43/-46/-51 dB vs. -32/-49/-52/-54 dB for the Icom 7800 and -31/-46/-54/-57 dB for the TS-990. That makes the K3 3 to 6 dB *worse* than other top of the line rigs at rated output. Again, it's time to get past this silly attachment to PA stages that can be run from a battery pack and move to higher voltage devices for lower IMD. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-11 8:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,5/11/2015 1:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> Considering that a great many stations operate at the 100 - 150W level >> *with no amplifier*, moving to 48V final amplifiers capable of -37 dB >> or better IMD is *very* important. > > I disagree, only because the signal is 12 dB weaker without the amp. And > even at 100W, the K3 is cleaner than most rigs. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w1ksz at earthlink.net Mon May 11 21:51:25 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 18:51:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> Well at least they refer to the K3 as ..."superb"... . What more can you ask ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 5/11/2015 6:24 PM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: > Now...why would I risk my K3 with after market parts from a vendor that > cannot even spell the word "Board" in the headline of their catalog listing > for this product as shown below. > > Jobst > AC0LP > > > > *MFJ-905K3* > *PLUG-IN AUTO TUNER BAORD FOR ELECRAFT K3 XCEIVER* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From edauer at law.du.edu Mon May 11 22:13:17 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 02:13:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone have any good data on this? Tnx, Ted, KN1CBR From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon May 11 22:16:41 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55515B31.40409@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> Message-ID: <61E6B917-7461-4DB9-8C0B-3DCFE53D6014@wunderwood.org> Unlike other high-end rigs, the K3 was designed as a transportable radio. It is almost certainly the best Field Day radio ever made. Every design has tradeoffs. If Elecraft was directly targeting the TS-990/HIlberling market, I have no doubt that you?d see a 50V PA. But they are beating all of those heavy rigs in a small package. Yes, I trust Jim Brown?s results. Though I?m a software guy now, I started my career as a DSP engineer. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 11, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-05-11 8:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> I disagree, only because the signal is 12 dB weaker without the amp. >> And even at 100W, the K3 is cleaner than most rigs. > > The K3 may be cleaner than low end 12V/100W rigs like the Icom 706mkIIg > 7000, 7100, Yaesu FT-450/991, etc. but it is certainly *not* as clean as the other top of the line contest rigs like the Icom 7600/7800, > Yaesu 2000/5000, Kenwood 990, etc. For example, ARRL measured the K3 > at -29/-43/-46/-51 dB vs. -32/-49/-52/-54 dB for the Icom 7800 and > -31/-46/-54/-57 dB for the TS-990. That makes the K3 3 to 6 dB *worse* > than other top of the line rigs at rated output. > > Again, it's time to get past this silly attachment to PA stages that > can be run from a battery pack and move to higher voltage devices for > lower IMD. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-11 8:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Mon,5/11/2015 1:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> Considering that a great many stations operate at the 100 - 150W level >>> *with no amplifier*, moving to 48V final amplifiers capable of -37 dB >>> or better IMD is *very* important. >> >> I disagree, only because the signal is 12 dB weaker without the amp. And >> even at 100W, the K3 is cleaner than most rigs. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com Mon May 11 22:20:50 2015 From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:20:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner. However, I have tried others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit. My results were mixed, at best. If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying it as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of wire as the Elecraft units have been. Case in point: I had an MFJ autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 meters with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner. Also, the SWR bridge's meter on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners hasn't been the best. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any > aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the equipment > to Elecraft for repair. > > How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending it > for repair? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > >> Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. >> >> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. >> >> I wonder what Elecraft think. >> >> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely curious >> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding >> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could improve >> on the kat3. >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com > -- Owner, worldwidedx.com AE6LX, Amateur Radio NNN0ITA, Navy MARS NNN0GAF FOUR, Southern CA Director Assistant for Training, Navy MARS From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon May 11 22:26:52 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:26:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555164C6.8010500@socal.rr.com> References: <555164C6.8010500@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555164EC.90303@socal.rr.com> However good, bad or indifferent its performance, I'd not install it in my K3. If it went awry who knows what else it might take with it. I plan to put no non-Elecraft elements *inside* my K3, MFJ or not. Exception would be items recommended or sold by Elecraft, of course, even if made by a 3rd party. External tuners are a whole different matter. Phil W7OX On 5/11/15 7:20 PM, Tim Tucker wrote: > I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner. However, I have tried > others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit. My > results were mixed, at best. If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in > this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying it > as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of > wire as the Elecraft units have been. Case in point: I had an MFJ > autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 meters > with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner. Also, the SWR bridge's meter > on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. > > FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners > hasn't been the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any >> aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the equipment >> to Elecraft for repair. >> >> How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending it >> for repair? >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> >>> Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. >>> >>> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. >>> >>> I wonder what Elecraft think. >>> >>> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely curious >>> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding >>> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could improve >>> on the kat3. >>> >>> >>> From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon May 11 22:30:12 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:30:12 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, I dont believe anyone would be likely to use one if one looks at the posters on this list. Speaking with Jeff we were puzzled by mfj's releasing this product. We see no market but assume (bad word) some folks outside this list might be swayed by cost. Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test it. I imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to know. It was a fair question and did not expect the type of replies we are seeing. Oh well....as i said before...it is what it is..... Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 12/05/2015 12:21 PM, "Tim Tucker" wrote: > I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner. However, I have tried > others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit. My > results were mixed, at best. If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in > this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying it > as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of > wire as the Elecraft units have been. Case in point: I had an MFJ > autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 meters > with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner. Also, the SWR bridge's meter > on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. > > FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners > hasn't been the best. > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any > > aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the > equipment > > to Elecraft for repair. > > > > How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending it > > for repair? > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > >> Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. > >> > >> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. > >> > >> I wonder what Elecraft think. > >> > >> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely > curious > >> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding > >> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could > improve > >> on the kat3. > >> > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com > > > > > > -- > Owner, worldwidedx.com > AE6LX, Amateur Radio > NNN0ITA, Navy MARS > NNN0GAF FOUR, Southern CA Director Assistant for Training, Navy MARS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 22:39:22 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:39:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555167DA.8020107@subich.com> I just replaced a couple old 65W equivalent CFL floods in 6" cans located in a bathroom with retrofit LEDs and have not noticed any increase in noise. The retrofit LEDs have an adapter that screws in in place of the incandescent/CFL bulb. The replacement unit simply snaps in place of the old trim ring and plugs into the adapter. The units I used were Utilitech from the local Lowes. I did not use replacement power supplies and rewire the fixtures. If needed I can go back to the CFL or conventional incandescent floods just by unscrewing the adapter, screwing in CFLs and replacing the trim ring. The new fixtures are significantly brighter than the 10 year old CFL bulbs. I'm planning to replace another half dozen mixed CFL and incandescent floods with the LED retrofits over the next few months. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-11 10:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the > recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the > incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with > 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of > RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case > that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be > installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My > caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent > lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only > light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. > I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the > house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do > generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone > have any good data on this? > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon May 11 22:41:12 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <55516848.7050606@socal.rr.com> Gary, As I recall, Jeff closed by asking for opinions. And that's what he's getting :-) I've not yet read an irrational opinion on this topic. Would you risk putting this device in your K3, whatever the price? I would not. Phil W7OX On 5/11/15 7:30 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Don, > > I dont believe anyone would be likely to use one if one looks at the > posters on this list. > > Speaking with Jeff we were puzzled by mfj's releasing this product. We see > no market but assume (bad word) some folks outside this list might be > swayed by cost. > > Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test it. I > imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to know. > > It was a fair question and did not expect the type of replies we are > seeing. Oh well....as i said before...it is what it is..... > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT From dpbunte at gmail.com Mon May 11 22:41:36 2015 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted - I have a LOT of CFL in my house, but have been leery about LED bulbs, because of concerns about RFI. about 3 weeks ago I saw a single BR30 size LED bulk on a "bargain" table at the supermarket. (I was looking for cookies). It was only $3.00 so I gave it a try. I put it just outside my shack, so it was easy to turn it on and off while listening for noise. I checked 160 - 10 meters and detected NO change in my K3. A few days ago I found two-part of similar bulbs under the GE name. I put them in the next nearest can lights, and can hear no increase in noise between the on or off positions. That may not be very scientific, but I am happy. Next I want to see how well they behave with a dimmer. Dave - K9FN On May 11, 2015 10:14 PM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the > recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the > incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with > 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of > RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case > that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be > installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My > caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent > lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only > light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. > I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the > house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do > generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone > have any good data on this? > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 11 22:44:41 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: I was actually surprised to see that, How many would really buy one. And what asurance would you have of future compatibility? -------- Original message -------- From: Gary Gregory Date: 05/11/2015 8:56 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Phil Wheeler Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Me too.....eyes rolling....!!!!! Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 12/05/2015 10:21 AM, "Phil Wheeler" wrote: > I'd be very afraid, Jeff. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/11/15 4:58 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> I've just been looking at the latest MFJ catalog and I noticed that they >> list a MFJ 905K3 Internal ATU + second antenna port. >> Has anyone had a play yet? >> I'd be interested in your opinions. >> >> 73 de >> Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 22:46:10 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 22:46:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <55516972.5030109@subich.com> > Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test > it. I imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to > know. Given that the tuning algorithm is in the K3 CPU, I would have to think the MFJ tuner is nothing more than a clone of the KAT3. Perhaps the layout is different and some of the components are different (better or worse). I can't see any advantage in the MJF unit - other than a substantially lower price - but would hesitate to use one without a very substantial set of tests. My biggest concern would be something like missing IF traps or low isolation between antennas. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-11 10:30 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Don, > > I dont believe anyone would be likely to use one if one looks at the > posters on this list. > > Speaking with Jeff we were puzzled by mfj's releasing this product. We see > no market but assume (bad word) some folks outside this list might be > swayed by cost. > > Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test it. I > imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to know. > > It was a fair question and did not expect the type of replies we are > seeing. Oh well....as i said before...it is what it is..... > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 12/05/2015 12:21 PM, "Tim Tucker" wrote: > >> I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner. However, I have tried >> others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit. My >> results were mixed, at best. If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in >> this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying it >> as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of >> wire as the Elecraft units have been. Case in point: I had an MFJ >> autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 meters >> with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner. Also, the SWR bridge's meter >> on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. >> >> FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners >> hasn't been the best. >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >>> Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any >>> aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the >> equipment >>> to Elecraft for repair. >>> >>> How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending it >>> for repair? >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. >>>> >>>> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. >>>> >>>> I wonder what Elecraft think. >>>> >>>> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely >> curious >>>> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding >>>> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could >> improve >>>> on the kat3. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Owner, worldwidedx.com >> AE6LX, Amateur Radio >> NNN0ITA, Navy MARS >> NNN0GAF FOUR, Southern CA Director Assistant for Training, Navy MARS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From craig at powersmith.net Mon May 11 22:54:00 2015 From: craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:54:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You are wise, Ted, to be cautious about this. As you implied, it is not the LEDs themselves but how they are driven. LEDs are current driven devices and, for a given intensity, are typically driven by a constant current source. In the case of a panel LED in a K3 or whatever it is easy to do this by just using a series dropping resistor as an analog current source and not worrying about the lost power in the resistor. This approach will be quiet in terms of RFI. In home lighting applications, the currents are higher as are the desires for high efficiency and minimum power loss. So a switching regulator type of current source is employed, either on a lamp-by-lamp basis or be connecting several lamps in series with one current source. The switch mode current source can indeed be noisy. Even though in theory it could be made fairly quiet by means of good layout, control over wave shaping, extensive filtering, and high quality compliance testing, all of that typically does not happen in a cost-driven application such as home lighting. You asked for people with good data. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. I'm not even sure if good data exits on lighting RFI in a real-world applications. Even if a manufacturer characterizes the EMI performance in a data sheet, things are sometimes cost reduced later in manufacturing (less filtering) and can also be compromised by improper installation and grounding by a contractor. Conceptually, I'm a big fan of LED lighting and have several types in various places in the house. But back when I was active on the air I made sure that I could turn them all OFF easily on contest weekends, etc. The bottom line is that nothing is quieter than incandescent. I wish that that wasn't the case as the energy savings with LED are significant. Perhaps in 10 years it won't be a concern. But right now I would be cautious and have a "plan B" for lighting when operating. 73 Craig AC0DS On 11, May2015, at 8:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the > recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the > incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with > 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of > RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case > that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be > installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My > caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent > lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only > light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. > I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the > house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do > generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone > have any good data on this? > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:03:52 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:03:52 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55516972.5030109@subich.com> References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> <55516972.5030109@subich.com> Message-ID: Well i came up with this: 1. Why risk inserting a non-elecraft board in my k3 2. What about support issues should something go wrong with the k3 3. What about the posibility of fw issues 4. What about antenna separation 5. What about the build quality and design. 6. What algorithim is used....how good is it 7 What has MFJ done to offer a clone at $100 discount So would i use one? Doh....no way. All this apart from the fact i have had the kat3 since day one. We just wondered if anyone had one to test. Ya never know eh? Curiosity is over now......:-) Back to work on my tower trailer....far more interesting. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 12/05/2015 12:47 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test >> it. I imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to >> know. >> > > Given that the tuning algorithm is in the K3 CPU, I would have to think > the MFJ tuner is nothing more than a clone of the KAT3. Perhaps the > layout is different and some of the components are different (better > or worse). I can't see any advantage in the MJF unit - other than a > substantially lower price - but would hesitate to use one without a > very substantial set of tests. > > My biggest concern would be something like missing IF traps or low > isolation between antennas. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-11 10:30 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > >> Don, >> >> I dont believe anyone would be likely to use one if one looks at the >> posters on this list. >> >> Speaking with Jeff we were puzzled by mfj's releasing this product. We see >> no market but assume (bad word) some folks outside this list might be >> swayed by cost. >> >> Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test it. I >> imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to know. >> >> It was a fair question and did not expect the type of replies we are >> seeing. Oh well....as i said before...it is what it is..... >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 12/05/2015 12:21 PM, "Tim Tucker" wrote: >> >> I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner. However, I have >>> tried >>> others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit. My >>> results were mixed, at best. If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in >>> this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying >>> it >>> as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of >>> wire as the Elecraft units have been. Case in point: I had an MFJ >>> autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 >>> meters >>> with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner. Also, the SWR bridge's >>> meter >>> on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. >>> >>> FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners >>> hasn't been the best. >>> >>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm >>> wrote: >>> >>> Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any >>>> aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the >>>> >>> equipment >>> >>>> to Elecraft for repair. >>>> >>>> How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending >>>> it >>>> for repair? >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder what Elecraft think. >>>>> >>>>> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely >>>>> >>>> curious >>> >>>> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding >>>>> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could >>>>> >>>> improve >>> >>>> on the kat3. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Owner, worldwidedx.com >>> AE6LX, Amateur Radio >>> NNN0ITA, Navy MARS >>> NNN0GAF FOUR, Southern CA Director Assistant for Training, Navy MARS >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 11 23:12:52 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55515B31.40409@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> Message-ID: <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 6:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > The K3 may be cleaner than low end 12V/100W rigs like the Icom 706mkIIg > 7000, 7100, Yaesu FT-450/991, etc. but it is certainly *not* as clean > as the other top of the line contest rigs like the Icom 7600/7800, > Yaesu 2000/5000, Kenwood 990, etc. For example, ARRL measured the K3 > at -29/-43/-46/-51 dB vs. -32/-49/-52/-54 dB for the Icom 7800 and > -31/-46/-54/-57 dB for the TS-990. That makes the K3 3 to 6 dB *worse* > than other top of the line rigs at rated output. But Joe, you are fixating on a single specification, which is only one part of what establishes the cleanliness of a radio. On CW and FSK, there is the keying waveform, and on all modes there is phase noise. The K3 rise time for both modes is quite well controlled, so the keying transients that excite IM in those other radios don't excite IM in the K3. And phase noise in the K3, even before the new synth boards is close to the best of any modern radio. The occupied bandwidth measurements show the SUM of all these mechanisms. I've been using pink noise for SSB spectrum measurements because the signal excites IMD in a manner similar to what a voice would, and I've made measurements with me talking into a live mic. There's no significant difference between the live mic and the pink noise. The FTDX5000 report to which I posted a link shows that the K3 and FTDX5000 have almost the same occupied bandwidth on SSB, but the K3 has 10 dB of signal processing. AND -- my K3 is even narrower because I've cut everything below about 400 Hz with TXEQ. If you missed the link, it's on my website. In many contests, I've got a CQ machine 8 miles from me with a 7600 and a legal limit amp who regularly wipes out 5-10 kHz on CW, but K6XX, only 3 miles away with a K3 and ancient tube amps is only 700 Hz wide at -50 dBC. The 7600 and 7800 tested quite similarly in bandwidth tests by ARRL. Six months ago, when I began doing my own measurements with a P3/SVGA, you insisted that the IMD in a K3 would make a mess of PSK31, so I measured PSK31 signals. They are in the set of P3 measurements I have posted here several times, and they clearly show that you were wrong! :) For those who missed the link, the measurements, as well as a description of my test setup, are on my website. k9yc.com/publish.htm 73, Jim K9YC From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:18:58 2015 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:18:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com> <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> Agreed Phil, I am not considering purchasing one of the MFJ units, I simply saw it in the latest MFJ catalogue that has just been released and I am curious as to why they made it, given that the Elecraft product is so good. :D Maybe they think that they'll sell a heap of them due to the substantially lower price? (About US$90 off the current Elecraft KAT3 kit price) I have noticed that it can *only* tune a 10:1 SWR (Which is in itself quite good for an internal tuner I think) but I know for a fact that the Elecraft KAT3 can do even better than that. My current K3 (It's my second K3) has no internal tuner, nor does it need one as I use either a resonant antenna or a remote tuner and a single wire antenna exclusively. A second antenna port would be a wonderful option for my radio but I surely don't need to expense of an ATU just to get it. All we need to do is to convince Eric and Wayne that we Elecraft K3 operators would REALLY like to have a second antenna port option WITHOUT the internal tuner. :D Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Phil Wheeler-2 wrote > I'd be very afraid, Jeff. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/11/15 4:58 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I've just been looking at the latest MFJ catalog and I noticed that they >> list a MFJ 905K3 Internal ATU + second antenna port. >> Has anyone had a play yet? >> I'd be interested in your opinions. >> >> 73 de >> Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MFJ-s-new-Internal-K3-Tuner-anyone-tried-one-yet-tp7602435p7602457.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:22:23 2015 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:22:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431400943819-7602458.post@n2.nabble.com> I am not considering purchasing one of the MFJ units, I simply saw it in the latest MFJ catalogue that has just been released and I am curious as to why they made it, given that the Elecraft product is so good. :D Maybe they think that they'll sell a heap of them due to the substantially lower price? (About US$90 off the current Elecraft KAT3 kit price) I have noticed that it can *only* tune a 10:1 SWR (Which is in itself quite good for an internal tuner I think) but I know for a fact that the Elecraft KAT3 can do even better than that. My current K3 (It's my second K3) has no internal tuner, nor does it need one as I use either a resonant antenna or a remote tuner and a single wire antenna exclusively. A second antenna port would be a wonderful option for my radio but I surely don't need to expense of an ATU just to get it. All we need to do is to convince Eric and Wayne that we Elecraft K3 operators would REALLY like to have a second antenna port option WITHOUT the internal tuner. :D Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Jobst Vandrey-2 wrote > Now...why would I risk my K3 with after market parts from a vendor that > cannot even spell the word "Board" in the headline of their catalog > listing > for this product as shown below. > > Jobst > AC0LP > > > > *MFJ-905K3* > *PLUG-IN AUTO TUNER BAORD FOR ELECRAFT K3 XCEIVER* > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MFJ-s-new-Internal-K3-Tuner-anyone-tried-one-yet-tp7602440p7602458.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon May 11 23:24:28 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 03:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <597105225.81651.1431401068539.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Gentleman, The original post from Jeff is simply asking whether anyone has tried it. Since MFJ is now offering it, I believe there should be someone selling the same in China but with half of the price. Ok, if the price were below USD100 (don't laugh it could be that cheap across the Shenzhen river), I might have a try. ?Before doing that, I would wait for the reviews (if any) from our Chinese colleagues. To conclude, I take no further action at this moment, haha ....? 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Gary Gregory ???? Joe Subich W4TV ??(CC)? Elecraft List ????? 2015?05?12? (??) 11:03 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Well i came up with this: 1. Why risk inserting a non-elecraft board in my k3 2. What about support issues should something go wrong with the k3 3. What about the posibility of fw issues 4. What about antenna separation 5. What about the build quality and design. 6. What algorithim is used....how good is it 7 What has MFJ done to offer a clone at $100 discount So would i use one? Doh....no way. All this apart from the fact i have had the kat3 since day one. We just wondered if anyone had one to test. Ya never know eh? Curiosity is over now......:-) Back to work on my tower trailer....far more interesting. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 12/05/2015 12:47 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >? Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test >> it. I imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to >> know. >> > > Given that the tuning algorithm is in the K3 CPU, I would have to think > the MFJ tuner is nothing more than a clone of the KAT3.? Perhaps the > layout is different and some of the components are different (better > or worse).? I can't see any advantage in the MJF unit - other than a > substantially lower price - but would hesitate to use one without a > very substantial set of tests. > > My biggest concern would be something like missing IF traps or low > isolation between antennas. > > 73, > >? ? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-11 10:30 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > >> Don, >> >> I dont believe anyone would be likely to use one if one looks at the >> posters on this list. >> >> Speaking with Jeff we were puzzled by mfj's releasing this product. We see >> no market but assume (bad word) some folks outside this list might be >> swayed by cost. >> >> Therefore we are curious if anyone had actually had a chance to test it. I >> imagine it would come up short but it would be interesting to know. >> >> It was a fair question and did not expect the type of replies we are >> seeing. Oh well....as i said before...it is what it is..... >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 12/05/2015 12:21 PM, "Tim Tucker" wrote: >> >>? I have not tried this "version" of an MFJ autotuner.? However, I have >>> tried >>> others, including their auto tuners capable of handling legal limit.? My >>> results were mixed, at best.? If MFJ is using the same basic algorithm in >>> this K3 tuner as their other tuners, I would not be interested in buying >>> it >>> as those tuners were not nearly as capable at loading up odd lengths of >>> wire as the Elecraft units have been.? Case in point:? I had an MFJ >>> autotuner inline and it couldn't load up an Alpha Delta DX-CC on 12 >>> meters >>> with the MFJ, but I could with the K3 tuner.? Also, the SWR bridge's >>> meter >>> on the MFJ was waaaay off compared to other meters / analyzers. >>> >>> FWIW, I'm not an "anti-MFJ" guy, but my experience with their auto tuners >>> hasn't been? the best. >>> >>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm >>> wrote: >>> >>>? Consider that the Elecraft repair form includes a statement that any >>>> aftermarket mods or additions must be removed before sending the >>>> >>> equipment >>> >>>> to Elecraft for repair. >>>> >>>> How would you like to remove the MFJ tuner from your K3 before sending >>>> it >>>> for repair? >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 5/11/2015 9:35 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >>>> >>>>? Hey guys...valid question. Curiosity is a good thing. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff only asked if anyone had an opportunity to try one. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder what Elecraft think. >>>>> >>>>> He did NOT say he wanted to buy one but like me he is most likely >>>>> >>>> curious >>> >>>> and I can't imagine what MFJ are thinking. The KAT3 is an outstanding >>>>> product and I am scratching my head trying to think how MFJ could >>>>> >>>> improve >>> >>>> on the kat3. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>? ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to ae6lx at worldwidedx.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Owner, worldwidedx.com >>> AE6LX, Amateur Radio >>> NNN0ITA, Navy MARS >>> NNN0GAF FOUR, Southern CA Director Assistant for Training, Navy MARS >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >>> >>>? ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >>? ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon May 11 23:29:57 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] another opportunity to grab the good Prolific driver Message-ID: <009e01d08c63$ecb80c00$c6282400$@gamewood.net> If you need the driver (ver 3.2.0.0) for the USB-to-serial part moved to end of life by Prolific (PL2303 HXA/XA) you should grab it while it is still available at www.miklor.com. Usage instructions available at http://ke4rg.blogspot.com/. Don't throw away that cable that you purchased in good faith that may or may not contain a pirated part! Even Prolific can't tell the difference, that's why they chose to disable ALL of these variants in their newer drivers. Enjoy, Ken - ke4rg Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis! From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Mon May 11 23:32:54 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:32:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55517466.1050709@cis-broadband.com> LEDs are low voltage DC current driven devices, and those in the K3 are easily driven from the internal supplies. LED bulbs used in residential lighting each have a power supply in their base that has to efficiently drop the 120 VAC source down to low voltage DC current, and that pretty much requires some sort of chopped waveform. The potential of RF hash is certainly there, and I've heard reports of such behavior in early versions of the product, but I have roughly 40 LED bulbs of various sorts (all Utilitech store brand from Lowes) and I've been able to discern any additional background noise on my K3 as a result. I have three of them overhead in my shack and turning them on/off yields no noticeable change on any band. That being said, I don't think there is any hard and fast rule for what you will get from any particular brand. I've never seen any relevant specs on any LED bulbs and I doubt there ever will be. If I was really worried about it and unwilling to simply try one, I'd suggest going with a European brand like Siemens or Philips/Sylvania/Osram simply because Europe seems to be more sensitive to such issues compared with the U.S. or Asia. In my opinion, though, the best plan would be to buy bulbs from someplace with a friendly return policy (which is why I bought them from Lowes) and take them back if they caused problems. Dave AB7E On 5/11/2015 7:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the > recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the > incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with > 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of > RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case > that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be > installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My > caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent > lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only > light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. > I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the > house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do > generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone > have any good data on this? > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 23:39:21 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> Jim, > But Joe, you are fixating on a single specification, which is only > one part of what establishes the cleanliness of a radio. On CW and > FSK, there is the keying waveform, and on all modes there is phase > noise. IMD is not an issue with CW or FSK (or JT65/JT9 for that matter) - they are modes designed to work with saturated (class C) amplifiers. IMD is a real issue with SSB when you separate out all the other junk caused by bad ALC, excess IF gain and excess *audio* processing. The K3 can be 4 to 6 dB *cleaner* than it already is if the proper approach were taken in the KPA3. Since I don't use an amplifier, I want the cleanest "exciter power level" possible and it is annoying that given all the other attention to detail, the K3 has a dirty PA (IMD comparable to the IC-706mkIIg on my test bench) simply to make it compatible with a battery pack. > Six months ago, when I began doing my own measurements with a > P3/SVGA, you insisted that the IMD in a K3 would make a mess of > PSK31, so I measured PSK31 signals. They are in the set of P3 > measurements I have posted here several times, and they clearly show > that you were wrong! :) Your PSK31 "measurements" are clearly not believable. Look at the IMD values in most PSK software when the K3 is run at more than 30 to 40 watts *average* power output. You will see the PSK IMD rise significantly because the KPA3 is going into compression. If you measure at 100W *instantaneous* peaks (using an oscilloscope and looking for 70.7 Volts peak RF across 50 Ohms), the average power in a PSK31 signal (e.g. measured on the K3 Wattmeter or a Bird 43) will be around 30 Watts then the IMD of the KPA3 (and the rest of the signal chain) will be acceptable. If you press the K3 to 100 W *average* output in PSK31 the PA will saturate, you will cause about 4 dB of compression (peak clipping) of the PSK waveform and PSK IMD will be around -15 dB or worse. Non-linearities (compression) destroy BPSK and QPSK signals. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-11 11:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,5/11/2015 6:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> The K3 may be cleaner than low end 12V/100W rigs like the Icom 706mkIIg >> 7000, 7100, Yaesu FT-450/991, etc. but it is certainly *not* as clean >> as the other top of the line contest rigs like the Icom 7600/7800, >> Yaesu 2000/5000, Kenwood 990, etc. For example, ARRL measured the K3 >> at -29/-43/-46/-51 dB vs. -32/-49/-52/-54 dB for the Icom 7800 and >> -31/-46/-54/-57 dB for the TS-990. That makes the K3 3 to 6 dB *worse* >> than other top of the line rigs at rated output. > > But Joe, you are fixating on a single specification, which is only one > part of what establishes the cleanliness of a radio. On CW and FSK, > there is the keying waveform, and on all modes there is phase noise. The > K3 rise time for both modes is quite well controlled, so the keying > transients that excite IM in those other radios don't excite IM in the > K3. And phase noise in the K3, even before the new synth boards is close > to the best of any modern radio. > > The occupied bandwidth measurements show the SUM of all these > mechanisms. I've been using pink noise for SSB spectrum measurements > because the signal excites IMD in a manner similar to what a voice > would, and I've made measurements with me talking into a live mic. > There's no significant difference between the live mic and the pink noise. > > The FTDX5000 report to which I posted a link shows that the K3 and > FTDX5000 have almost the same occupied bandwidth on SSB, but the K3 has > 10 dB of signal processing. AND -- my K3 is even narrower because I've > cut everything below about 400 Hz with TXEQ. If you missed the link, > it's on my website. > > In many contests, I've got a CQ machine 8 miles from me with a 7600 and > a legal limit amp who regularly wipes out 5-10 kHz on CW, but K6XX, only > 3 miles away with a K3 and ancient tube amps is only 700 Hz wide at -50 > dBC. The 7600 and 7800 tested quite similarly in bandwidth tests by ARRL. > > Six months ago, when I began doing my own measurements with a P3/SVGA, > you insisted that the IMD in a K3 would make a mess of PSK31, so I > measured PSK31 signals. They are in the set of P3 measurements I have > posted here several times, and they clearly show that you were wrong! :) > > For those who missed the link, the measurements, as well as a > description of my test setup, are on my website. k9yc.com/publish.htm > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Mon May 11 23:39:38 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 03:39:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: <555167DA.8020107@subich.com> References: <555167DA.8020107@subich.com> Message-ID: <555175FA.9070104@nc.rr.com> How far are your antennas from the bulb? For a while I experimented with attic antennas. I heard junk from the washing machine, treadmill and lots of other unidentifiable sources. Using outdoor coax fed antennas 65' or more away received none of them. One guy put an LED bulb in his garage. It drove the garage door opener nuts. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 5/12/2015 2:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > I just replaced a couple old 65W equivalent CFL floods in 6" cans > located in a bathroom with retrofit LEDs and have not noticed any > increase in noise. The retrofit LEDs have an adapter that screws > in in place of the incandescent/CFL bulb. The replacement unit > simply snaps in place of the old trim ring and plugs into the > adapter. > > The units I used were Utilitech from the local Lowes. I did not > use replacement power supplies and rewire the fixtures. If needed > I can go back to the CFL or conventional incandescent floods just > by unscrewing the adapter, screwing in CFLs and replacing the trim > ring. > > The new fixtures are significantly brighter than the 10 year old > CFL bulbs. I'm planning to replace another half dozen mixed CFL > and incandescent floods with the LED retrofits over the next few > months. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2015-05-11 10:13 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the >> recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing >> the >> incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens >> with >> 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of >> RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case >> that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be >> installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My >> caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent >> lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only >> light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the >> HQ-100. >> I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the >> house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power >> supplies) do >> generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone >> have any good data on this? >> >> Tnx, >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9752 - Release Date: 05/11/15 From fsmeier at telus.net Mon May 11 23:44:04 2015 From: fsmeier at telus.net (fredem) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 20:44:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Cooler KX Plus at Dayton 2015 Message-ID: <1431402244688-7602464.post@n2.nabble.com> Not everyone can get to Dayton but that does not mean you should not get the same great service and value as the /Hamventioneers/. Because I cannot display and sell heatsinks at Dayton, Nick / N3WG of Pignology LLC has agreed to host the highest performance Cooler KX Plus and a stack of product flyers in his Booth 407. Please stop by to see an installed Cooler KX and ask him about its performance. In honor of the event I am offering a 10% discount on the Cooler KX Plus, and free USA shipping as well as subsidized international postage. The advantages of ordering via email are threefold: No Ohio sales tax, A Hamvention discount, and Free delivery to your home. The offer is immediately effective. For performance reviews please check out: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11702 and for the story of the whole project take a look at www.ve7fmn.ca Thank-you for the bandwidth, Fred VE7FMN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Cooler-KX-Plus-at-Dayton-2015-tp7602464.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pincon at erols.com Mon May 11 23:45:43 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? References: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: This strikes me as quite bizarre. Do they REALLY think we'd jeopardize our radios to save a hundred bucks on duplicate option??? I could "almost" understand it if it was something that was not available from the OEM, or, if it did something the OEM unit couldn't do. Personally, I think it was a very bad move on MFJ's part to even consider it and I am surprised they'd expend the effort to put it into production.. That said, I have lots of MFJ products and although I've never had any major complaints, I do understand they have some QC problems. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Solomon" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? > Well at least they refer to the K3 as ..."superb"... . What more can you > ask ?? > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On 5/11/2015 6:24 PM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: >> Now...why would I risk my K3 with after market parts from a vendor that >> cannot even spell the word "Board" in the headline of their catalog >> listing >> for this product as shown below. >> >> Jobst >> AC0LP >> >> >> >> *MFJ-905K3* >> *PLUG-IN AUTO TUNER BAORD FOR ELECRAFT K3 XCEIVER* >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From lists at subich.com Mon May 11 23:47:04 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: <55517339.8050400@nc.rr.com> References: <555167DA.8020107@subich.com> <55517339.8050400@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <555177B8.4070908@subich.com> > How far are your antennas from the bulb? 25 to 45 feet high and no more than 30 feet horizontally from the "bulbs". The antennas are close enough that I hear the occasional birdies from my router and Ethernet cards in some of the shack computers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-11 11:27 PM, brian wrote: > How far are your antennas from the bulb? > > For a while I experimented with attic antennas. I heard junk from the > washing machine, treadmill and lots of other unidentifiable sources. > Using outdoor antennas 65' or more away received none of them. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:50:02 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 06:50:02 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com> <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> <1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> As W4TV said, the tuning algorithm is in the K3 firmware. It is not part of the tuner. Elecraft provides its firmware, including ongoing updates, at no extra cost. It pays its firmware developers out of money it makes selling hardware. Now someone has come along selling hardware that makes use of the firmware that they didn't develop or pay for. Illegal? No. Unethical? We could debate it all day. The analogy of the IBM PC clone and DOS comes to mind. But personally I wouldn't buy one. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: > > Agreed Phil, > I am not considering purchasing one of the MFJ units, I simply saw it in the > latest MFJ catalogue that has just been released and I am curious as to why > they made it, given that the Elecraft product is so good. :D > > Maybe they think that they'll sell a heap of them due to the substantially > lower price? (About US$90 off the current Elecraft KAT3 kit price) > > I have noticed that it can *only* tune a 10:1 SWR (Which is in itself quite > good for an internal tuner I think) but I know for a fact that the Elecraft > KAT3 can do even better than that. > > My current K3 (It's my second K3) has no internal tuner, nor does it need > one as I use either a resonant antenna or a remote tuner and a single wire > antenna exclusively. > > A second antenna port would be a wonderful option for my radio but I surely > don't need to expense of an ATU just to get it. > > All we need to do is to convince Eric and Wayne that we Elecraft K3 > operators would REALLY like to have a second antenna port option WITHOUT the > internal tuner. :D > > Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA > From g1mhu at hotmail.com Mon May 11 23:50:36 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 04:50:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD Ham Radio Deluxe Message-ID: for info.. there is a HRD offer on for Dayton.. if you want $10 off on HRD full or upgrade, now is your chance. Put coupon code "dayton" (all lower case, not quotes) in at checkout. http://www.hrdsoftwarellc.com/purchase.html Robin G1MHU From pincon at erols.com Mon May 11 23:53:26 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 23:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? References: Message-ID: I have only a couple incandescent lamps and a few CFL's left in the whole house. All the rest are various manufacturer's LED bulbs. Most are bulb replacements with a medium screw in base, but a few are specialized "shop light" fixtures or ceiling lights. To my knowledge, I have no RFI from any of them. I hear no difference on any band when any of the lights are switched on or off. I DO have a couple on dimmers which make some noise, but that's the dimmer, not the LED making the noise. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Smith" To: "Dauer, Edward" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? You are wise, Ted, to be cautious about this. As you implied, it is not the LEDs themselves but how they are driven. From huntinhmb at coastside.net Tue May 12 00:11:51 2015 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:11:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C44D0B7-AD28-41A9-A734-A5B9E38A82F3@coastside.net> I have a dozen LED lights around the house from off the shelf at Costco. When I brought the first batch home, I fired them and sniffed them with a 2m HT and a Grundig SWL portable. I found no RFI even a foot from the bulbs. Look at the contractor's design. If each bulb has its own AC-DC converter it's likely OK. If there's a common supply serving several bulbs then the distribution wires may act like an antenna and cause problems. You could also ask the contractor to loan you a sample and run your own tests. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 00:40:46 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> Message-ID: <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/11/2015 8:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > IMD is not an issue with CW or FSK (or JT65/JT9 for that matter) - they > are modes designed to work with saturated (class C) amplifiers. IMD is > a real issue with SSB when you separate out all the other junk caused > by bad ALC, excess IF gain and excess *audio* processing. Not true, Joe. Both CW and FSK involve 100% modulation of a carrier by square waves. That's why rise time and shaping of the keying signal matters. That's what Elecraft changed when they cleaned up their FSK a year or two ago. That's why some rigs click a lot wider than others. Compare the keying spectrum with the unkeyed steady carrier. Further, EVERY component of audio excites IMD, depending on the relative strength of all of the thousands of components. It is NOT to over processing audio -- the distortion of excessive processing and overdriven audio happens at baseband (audio) and in the audio chain. I don't buy your complaints about my PSK31 measurements. It has never been my practice to drive amplifiers into saturation. 73, Jim K9YC From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 04:09:09 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 01:09:09 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? Message-ID: <4646986.1431418150138.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am a RFI engineer so naturally I test everything I can get my hands on. I have been pleasantly surprised at how good the LEDs are. I have seen one infant mortality for which the manufacturer replaced after a 3 week wait. With CFLs I have seen some noise. One was a 150W equivalent. I had to look a long time to find that large a CFL and when I did it was a no name company. It pretty much wiped out all HF bands so I was forced to go to a 100 watt equivalent. Everything is made in China now days but the usual caveats apply. By American brands. They will backup their products. Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: "Dauer, Edward" >Sent: May 11, 2015 7:13 PM >To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? > >Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the >recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the >incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with >10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of >RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case >that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be >installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My >caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent >lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only >light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. >I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the >house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do >generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone >have any good data on this? > >Tnx, > >Ted, KN1CBR > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From w4grj at satterfield.org Tue May 12 05:29:47 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (W4GRJ) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 05:29:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: <4646986.1431418150138.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4646986.1431418150138.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2555E2F5-411B-4DB8-ACAC-1BE8B25A6FB4@satterfield.org> Recently replaced most of the lights in the house with led's, over 100 lights. No issues with RFI. Jack W4GRJ On May 12, 2015, at 4:09 AM, Fred Townsend wrote: I am a RFI engineer so naturally I test everything I can get my hands on. I have been pleasantly surprised at how good the LEDs are. I have seen one infant mortality for which the manufacturer replaced after a 3 week wait. With CFLs I have seen some noise. One was a 150W equivalent. I had to look a long time to find that large a CFL and when I did it was a no name company. It pretty much wiped out all HF bands so I was forced to go to a 100 watt equivalent. Everything is made in China now days but the usual caveats apply. By American brands. They will backup their products. Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- > From: "Dauer, Edward" > Sent: May 11, 2015 7:13 PM > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? > > Had an electrician at the operating QTH today to discuss replacing the > recessed ?can? lighting throughout the house. He suggested replacing the > incandescent cans (now 65 watts per bulb) with LED lamps (same lumens with > 10-13 watts per bulb). I have looked at the Internet on the question of > RFI from LED bulbs and see wildly inconsistent reports. It is the case > that HF radios like the K3 have LEDs in their panels; but I would be > installing as many as 60 LED fixtures running at 10-13 watts each. My > caution comes from my novice days in the 50s when a single fluorescent > lamp put my hamming out of business - things were quiet when the only > light source was the filament of a 6146 and the dial lamps on the HQ-100. > I know that LEDs aren?t at all the same; but I don?t want to relamp the > house if it puts me off the air. And if they (or their power supplies) do > generate RFI in the HF bands, would the K3?s NR get rid of it? Anyone > have any good data on this? > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com Tue May 12 08:20:08 2015 From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:20:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Message-ID: Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that to replace CFLs and had good results. More light from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap investment, easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No xformer required. No electrician required. -- de AB1VL NAQCC #6799 ab1vl.com From nf4l at comcast.net Tue May 12 08:33:36 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the whiter, brighter light. I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? 73, Mike NF4L > On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote: > > Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that > to replace CFLs and had good results. More light > from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap investment, > easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No > xformer required. No electrician required. > > -- > de AB1VL > NAQCC #6799 > > ab1vl.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From wes at triconet.org Tue May 12 08:35:25 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 05:35:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> I guess none of you guys know how the K2 wound up having a DSP in it. I won't buy one either, but them I don't want the Elecraft version either since I have a KAT500. Wes N7WS On 5/11/2015 8:50 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > As W4TV said, the tuning algorithm is in the K3 firmware. It is not part of the tuner. Elecraft provides its firmware, including ongoing updates, at no extra cost. It pays its firmware developers out of money it makes selling hardware. > > Now someone has come along selling hardware that makes use of the firmware that they didn't develop or pay for. Illegal? No. Unethical? We could debate it all day. The analogy of the IBM PC clone and DOS comes to mind. > > But personally I wouldn't buy one. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > > From w0eb at cox.net Tue May 12 08:41:20 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The CFL bulbs get hotter, and the incandescents they both replace get an awful lot hotter so I wouldn't worry much about the heat. The LED bulbs I have -- 90 in all --- generate far less heat then the CFL's I replaced them with. I can at least grab the base of the LED's after they have been on for a while and not get burned. I can't say that for about 80 percent of the CFL's and in order to change an incandescent that's been on I either had to use gloves or wait 5 minutes or so until it and the fixture cooled off. LED's are a current driven device so there WILL be some heat generated. I've had many of the CFL's actually start smoking though so I don't trust those as far as I can drop them (I CAN throw them pretty far) LOL. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" To: "Elecraft List" Sent: 5/12/2015 7:33:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the >kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the >whiter, brighter light. > >I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these >things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? > >73, Mike NF4L > > >> On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling >>wrote: >> >> Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just >>that >> to replace CFLs and had good results. More light >> from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap >>investment, >> easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. >>No >> xformer required. No electrician required. >> >> -- >> de AB1VL >> NAQCC #6799 >> >> ab1vl.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From nf4l at comcast.net Tue May 12 08:53:34 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:53:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, yeah. But that heat does cost something. I'm not in the least worried, I'm just curious if it's factored into the advertised savings. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 12, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > > The CFL bulbs get hotter, and the incandescents they both replace get an awful lot hotter so I wouldn't worry much about the heat. The LED bulbs I have -- 90 in all --- generate far less heat then the CFL's I replaced them with. I can at least grab the base of the LED's after they have been on for a while and not get burned. I can't say that for about 80 percent of the CFL's and in order to change an incandescent that's been on I either had to use gloves or wait 5 minutes or so until it and the fixture cooled off. > > LED's are a current driven device so there WILL be some heat generated. I've had many of the CFL's actually start smoking though so I don't trust those as far as I can drop them (I CAN throw them pretty far) LOL. > > Jim - W0EB > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" > To: "Elecraft List" > Sent: 5/12/2015 7:33:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > >> I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the whiter, brighter light. >> >> I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote: >>> >>> Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that >>> to replace CFLs and had good results. More light >>> from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap investment, >>> easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No >>> xformer required. No electrician required. >>> >>> -- >>> de AB1VL >>> NAQCC #6799 >>> >>> ab1vl.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From km6cq at km6cq.com Tue May 12 08:54:56 2015 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 05:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] N4PJ, Very good to do business with. Message-ID: Just a note for all of us on the board. Art N4PJ recently listed some items for sell here. I purchased his Buddipole system from him. When it arrived it was very well packed, it was exactly how he represented it to me, and it was a very good value. Communication was excellent, everything happened the way he said it would. I it was a real pleasure to do business with him and I highly recommend him. Thank you ART N4PJ 73, Dan KM6CQ From n4rp at n4rp.com Tue May 12 08:56:20 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5551F874.8010908@n4rp.com> It would have to be. The savings are based on power consumption, and that heat is part of the power consumed.... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/12/2015 8:53 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > Well, yeah. But that heat does cost something. I'm not in the least worried, I'm just curious if it's factored into the advertised savings. > 73, Mike NF4L > > >> On May 12, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >> >> The CFL bulbs get hotter, and the incandescents they both replace get an awful lot hotter so I wouldn't worry much about the heat. The LED bulbs I have -- 90 in all --- generate far less heat then the CFL's I replaced them with. I can at least grab the base of the LED's after they have been on for a while and not get burned. I can't say that for about 80 percent of the CFL's and in order to change an incandescent that's been on I either had to use gloves or wait 5 minutes or so until it and the fixture cooled off. >> >> LED's are a current driven device so there WILL be some heat generated. I've had many of the CFL's actually start smoking though so I don't trust those as far as I can drop them (I CAN throw them pretty far) LOL. >> >> Jim - W0EB >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" >> To: "Elecraft List" >> Sent: 5/12/2015 7:33:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >> >>> I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the whiter, brighter light. >>> >>> I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? >>> >>> 73, Mike NF4L >>> >>> >>>> On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote: >>>> >>>> Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that >>>> to replace CFLs and had good results. More light >>>> from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap investment, >>>> easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No >>>> xformer required. 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From k6xk at ncn.net Tue May 12 09:02:13 2015 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:02:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LEDs musings Message-ID: <91403598AA7B43CC973393601D2018CB@ROYKOEPPEHP> Many household LEDs use many small lamps within them. Maybe up to 50, so if they're connected in series as I assume, then 50 x 2.2 volts forward drop = 110 volts. Not much fancy power supply is needed? Anyone familiar with state of design? 73, Roy K6XK From kj9b at arrl.net Tue May 12 09:18:27 2015 From: kj9b at arrl.net (Ken Bandy, KJ9B) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction Message-ID: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> Hello, all. I recently signed up for this list, as I am thinking of adding a K3 to my shack. I have downloaded the manual for the K3, and plan to study it as I can. I currently have a TenTec Eagle transceiver and TenTec Centurion Amplifier. I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. I plan on visiting the Electraft booth at Dayton this weekend to take a closer look at the rig. So, perhaps I will meet some folks there! Best 73, Ken Bandy, KJ9B From mhvnmn at gmail.com Tue May 12 09:18:49 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: I've relamped both of our homes with a variety of brands of LED bulbs. Some are very noisy, some are reasonably quiet. I couldn't guess ahead of time which would be noisy, so I bought a cheap transistor radio (Sony ICF=SS10MK2) to watch for the worst offenders. After installation I just walk around with the radio held near the bulbs. They all make noise but some are horrid. However, the only ones I can't live with are the undercounter LED strips powered by WAC 24 volt power packs. Not only are those things, the power packs, unusually expensive, I am surprised that the FCC allows their sale in the U.S. They obliterate the 160 and 80 meter bands on my KX3 and K3. Even after applying toroids to both the AC source side and the DC output side, they still manage to make both the strip lights and the entire house wiring system into giant RFI radiators. We have them in the laundry room and kitchen and there's no low band operating possible while those miserable things are switched on. I will say that 99 out of 100 LED bulbs emit less RFI than their CFL counterparts. And I've got LEDs here from Lowes, Home Depot, Amazon.com and some directly from Banggood's China warehouses. As to heat loss, the higher lumen bulbs do get 'way to hot to handle without a cool down period. I too wonder just how efficient they can be. But those with wattage requirements below 11 watts don't get so blazingly hot. The 45 watters get so hot that I'm concerned they are a fire hazard. None of them have anything resembling a UL label and they were all direct China imports. I seem to be rambling but wanted to share my experience. I will say it's wonderful not to be replacing burned out bulbs, a former weekly experience. I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. -- Marc W8SDG From pkirley at fuse.net Tue May 12 09:03:23 2015 From: pkirley at fuse.net (Paul Kirley) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3STFNR on K3 Parts and Mod Kits Web Page Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20150512090323.020b8a68@pop.fuse.net> Today I happened to look down the K3 Parts and Mod Kits web page and noticed that the description of the K3STFNR reads as follows: K3STFNR New K3 Synthesizer Stiffener Plate Kit Included on all new K3s (one ea. per synthesizer board) However, the K3STFNR is no longer "new," nor is it included on any new K3s, because it is a mod for the KSYN3. For the benefit of those who might have an unstiffened KSYN3 (or might buy a used K3), the description of the K3STFNR could stand clarification on the Parts and Mod Kits page. 73, Paul W8TM From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue May 12 09:28:09 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 06:28:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515A89.8070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1431437289461-7602485.post@n2.nabble.com> I had a legal limit MFJ auto tuner and sold it to get the KAT500. I found the KAT500 would auto tune 160M whereas the MFJ would not unless you disabled the automatic limitation they programmed into the MFJ unit which limited use of the extremes of the capacitor/inductor values for use at 1500 watts. When turning on the MFJ, the limitation would have to be selected out everytime. Since I did not use more than 450 watts or so (KPA500), I found that limitation annoying. The MFJ did function well in all other respects. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MFJ-s-new-Internal-K3-Tuner-anyone-tried-one-yet-tp7602440p7602485.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue May 12 09:33:15 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 06:33:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431437595684-7602486.post@n2.nabble.com> We just put a dozen 4 inch Sylvania LED can light inserts from LOWES into the kitchen and have no noise from them. I don't find that 120vac LED replacement bulbs have any downside other than price so far. And I like the whiter light (3000K). ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/LED-Lamps-and-HF-RFI-tp7602445p7602486.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mhvnmn at gmail.com Tue May 12 09:35:57 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:35:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <7F524568-65BD-45D0-A6EB-74373EAC0FAF@gmail.com> Having been out of Ham Radio for 40 years, I studied the current forums and purchased an Eagle, a TS-590S, a KX3, and a K3. Note that I'm a CW fan and rarely use voice modes. I wanted the Eagle because of my fondness for the Triton II way back when. My thought was that TenTec must have made an even better rig after all these decades. Then I used each transceiver for CW rag chewing as well as DX pileups. The Eagle and the K3 aren't in the same class of transceiver and I was delighted to swap the Eagle for a second KX3. I would have felt guilty about the trade but the other ham wanted to rewire the Eagle for some experimenting. Had it just been for CW use, my conscience would have prevented the swap. What I'm trying to say is that your Eagle will soon become the backup to your new K3. And I won't be swapping away the KX3(s) or TS-590S either. -- Marc W8SDG > On May 12, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and > keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue May 12 09:37:34 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 07:37:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> Message-ID: On May 12, 2015 7:34 AM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: > Hi Ken ... > > There's no comparison between the two radios. The TenTec is a "toy" when > compared to the K3, as you'll find out. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > From nf4l at comcast.net Tue May 12 09:59:55 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:59:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <5551F874.8010908@n4rp.com> References: <5551F874.8010908@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <56EA5408-A3E1-43C4-B5C3-03ACBDB6D48E@comcast.net> I hope so. I just keep thinking.....There's lies, damn lies, statistics, and then advertising.... 73, Mike NF4L > On May 12, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > It would have to be. The savings are based on power consumption, and that heat is part of the power consumed.... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/12/2015 8:53 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> Well, yeah. But that heat does cost something. I'm not in the least worried, I'm just curious if it's factored into the advertised savings. >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >>> >>> The CFL bulbs get hotter, and the incandescents they both replace get an awful lot hotter so I wouldn't worry much about the heat. The LED bulbs I have -- 90 in all --- generate far less heat then the CFL's I replaced them with. I can at least grab the base of the LED's after they have been on for a while and not get burned. I can't say that for about 80 percent of the CFL's and in order to change an incandescent that's been on I either had to use gloves or wait 5 minutes or so until it and the fixture cooled off. >>> >>> LED's are a current driven device so there WILL be some heat generated. I've had many of the CFL's actually start smoking though so I don't trust those as far as I can drop them (I CAN throw them pretty far) LOL. >>> >>> Jim - W0EB >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" >>> To: "Elecraft List" >>> Sent: 5/12/2015 7:33:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >>> >>>> I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the whiter, brighter light. >>>> >>>> I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? >>>> >>>> 73, Mike NF4L >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that >>>>> to replace CFLs and had good results. More light >>>>> from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap investment, >>>>> easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No >>>>> xformer required. No electrician required. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> de AB1VL >>>>> NAQCC #6799 >>>>> >>>>> ab1vl.com >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? > From nf4l at comcast.net Tue May 12 10:16:39 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> Message-ID: Ken - I agree that you'll most likely relegate the Eagle to second status. If you hook the K3 up to the Centurion, be sure to follow the instructions for the K3. It's different. Fred Cady's (KE7X) book on the K3 is well worth having also. I bought it on CD so I can search it, and I took the CD to Office Depot and had it printed. I like to nap with it in the recliner...... 73, Mike NF4L > On May 12, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > > Hello, all. I recently signed up for this list, as I am thinking of adding > a K3 to my shack. I have downloaded the manual for the K3, and plan to > study it as I can. I currently have a TenTec Eagle transceiver and TenTec > Centurion Amplifier. I am thinking of adding the K3 to have redundancy and > keep the shack (at least the HF part) "all American". Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed > with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a > portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. > > > > I plan on visiting the Electraft booth at Dayton this weekend to take a > closer look at the rig. So, perhaps I will meet some folks there! > > > > Best 73, > > Ken Bandy, KJ9B > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue May 12 10:33:09 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:33:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD Ham Radio Deluxe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55520F25.4030203@comcast.net> Robin, Thanks for the heads up on that. I hadn't seen anything other than your note. I just went ahead and put in my order and I did get the discount. That will be one less thing to worry about at Dayton. 73, Barry K3NDM On 5/11/2015 11:50 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: > for info.. there is a HRD offer on for Dayton.. > > if you want $10 off on HRD full or upgrade, now is your chance. > > Put coupon code "dayton" (all lower case, not quotes) in at checkout. > > http://www.hrdsoftwarellc.com/purchase.html > > Robin G1MHU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > From pincon at erols.com Tue May 12 10:38:29 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: You'll find that the higher color temperature bulbs (bluer, closer to daylight, 5000 to 6500K) are a ted more efficient as to Lumens per watts than the lower temperature "soft/warm" light in the 2700 to 3000K. Also, the ones (Cree for example) that have better color rendition are even a little less efficient. However, I much prefer the lower temps around the house. My shop light is a 38 watt, 4000K which is OK for it's use. It looks exactly like a old twin 40 watt fluorescent fixture but noticeably brighter at 2800 Lumens, and was on sale at Costco for $35.95. I won't live long enough for it to wear out. It's a bit eerie to touch my desk lamp with a 3? watt LED in it and find that it is at room temperature. The old 40 watt lamp would burn your fingers! Suffice it to say, LED's ARE getting cheaper and better. It's easy to find them on sale for under four bucks. I have a feeling this thread is about to be executed (??) 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" To: "Elecraft List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the >kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the >whiter, brighter light. > > I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things > get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? > > 73, Mike NF4L > > >> On May 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Charles Yahrling >> wrote: >> >> Why not go to home depot and get a few to try? A ham friend did just that >> to replace CFLs and had good results. More light >> from same watt rating with the LED bulbs. No RFI. Pretty cheap >> investment, >> easy to experiment with, just screw out the old and in with the new. No >> xformer required. No electrician required. >> >> -- >> de AB1VL >> NAQCC #6799 >> >> ab1vl.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu Tue May 12 10:58:56 2015 From: brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu (Brian R. Malone) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD Ham Radio Deluxe In-Reply-To: <55520F25.4030203@comcast.net> References: <55520F25.4030203@comcast.net> Message-ID: I use HRD with my equip and it works well in shack for logging etc and remotely when traveling. The tech support is excellent. Brian W2BRM NY > On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: > > Robin, > Thanks for the heads up on that. I hadn't seen anything other than your note. I just went ahead and put in my order and I did get the discount. That will be one less thing to worry about at Dayton. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > >> On 5/11/2015 11:50 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: >> for info.. there is a HRD offer on for Dayton.. >> >> if you want $10 off on HRD full or upgrade, now is your chance. >> >> Put coupon code "dayton" (all lower case, not quotes) in at checkout. >> >> http://www.hrdsoftwarellc.com/purchase.html >> >> Robin G1MHU >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 12 10:33:20 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 07:33:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) IKEA now has 60-W bulbs for about $4.50 each. This is an amazing price, considering that Home Depot was leading the charge and is still at nearly $7. We're using almost all LED at our house now, except for the candelabra type, and even those are rapidly coming down. I also heard from a couple of local retailers that they're replacing their industrial-size florescent ceiling tubes with LEDs. He pointed out the difference in color: The LEDs were a pleasant pure white, while the fluorescents were the usual "cold" variation (e.g., grayish blueish). I don't think LED bulbs have a downside, RFI or otherwise. The most important thing is their reduction in energy consumption -- about 1/6th that of incandescents. If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably eliminate the need for any new power plants. Even if we all started using KPA500s. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > I've relamped both of our homes with a variety of brands of LED bulbs. Some are very noisy, some are reasonably quiet. I couldn't guess ahead of time which would be noisy, so I bought a cheap transistor radio (Sony ICF=SS10MK2) to watch for the worst offenders. After installation I just walk around with the radio held near the bulbs. They all make noise but some are horrid. > > However, the only ones I can't live with are the undercounter LED strips powered by WAC 24 volt power packs. Not only are those things, the power packs, unusually expensive, I am surprised that the FCC allows their sale in the U.S. They obliterate the 160 and 80 meter bands on my KX3 and K3. Even after applying toroids to both the AC source side and the DC output side, they still manage to make both the strip lights and the entire house wiring system into giant RFI radiators. We have them in the laundry room and kitchen and there's no low band operating possible while those miserable things are switched on. > > I will say that 99 out of 100 LED bulbs emit less RFI than their CFL counterparts. And I've got LEDs here from Lowes, Home Depot, Amazon.com and some directly from Banggood's China warehouses. > > As to heat loss, the higher lumen bulbs do get 'way to hot to handle without a cool down period. I too wonder just how efficient they can be. But those with wattage requirements below 11 watts don't get so blazingly hot. The 45 watters get so hot that I'm concerned they are a fire hazard. None of them have anything resembling a UL label and they were all direct China imports. > > I seem to be rambling but wanted to share my experience. I will say it's wonderful not to be replacing burned out bulbs, a former weekly experience. > > I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. > -- > Marc W8SDG > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 12 10:57:56 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 07:57:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3STFNR on K3 Parts and Mod Kits Web Page In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20150512090323.020b8a68@pop.fuse.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20150512090323.020b8a68@pop.fuse.net> Message-ID: Thanks for catching this, Paul. Wayne N6KR On May 12, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Paul Kirley wrote: > Today I happened to look down the K3 Parts and Mod Kits web page and > noticed that the description of the K3STFNR reads as follows: > > K3STFNR New K3 Synthesizer Stiffener Plate Kit Included on all new > K3s (one ea. per synthesizer board) > > However, the K3STFNR is no longer "new," nor is it included on any new > K3s, because it is a mod for the KSYN3. > > For the benefit of those who might have an unstiffened KSYN3 (or might > buy a used K3), the description of the K3STFNR could stand > clarification on the Parts and Mod Kits page. > > > 73, Paul W8TM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From mhvnmn at gmail.com Tue May 12 11:25:34 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:25:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power plants as the bridge. -- Marc > On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) > > If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably eliminate the need for any new power plants. > > Even if we all started using KPA500s. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >> I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. >> -- >> Marc W8SDG >> >> _ From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue May 12 11:50:46 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:50:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <1431400943819-7602458.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431400943819-7602458.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55522156.9010601@socal.rr.com> But Jeff, this "My current K3 (It's my second K3) has no internal tuner..." makes you our perfect beta tester, our sacrificial lamb :-) :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 5/11/15 8:22 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA wrote: > I am not considering purchasing one of the MFJ units, I simply saw it in the > latest MFJ catalogue that has just been released and I am curious as to why > they made it, given that the Elecraft product is so good. :D > > Maybe they think that they'll sell a heap of them due to the substantially > lower price? (About US$90 off the current Elecraft KAT3 kit price) > > I have noticed that it can *only* tune a 10:1 SWR (Which is in itself quite > good for an internal tuner I think) but I know for a fact that the Elecraft > KAT3 can do even better than that. > > My current K3 (It's my second K3) has no internal tuner, nor does it need > one as I use either a resonant antenna or a remote tuner and a single wire > antenna exclusively. > > A second antenna port would be a wonderful option for my radio but I surely > don't need to expense of an ATU just to get it. > > All we need to do is to convince Eric and Wayne that we Elecraft K3 > operators would REALLY like to have a second antenna port option WITHOUT the > internal tuner. :D > > Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:00:15 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:00:15 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? Message-ID: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see ). Does anyone have any experience with it? -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue May 12 12:06:38 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:06:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? Message-ID: <201505121606.t4CG6bwe019292@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> One more datum for this "survey": I bought one 60w equivalent LED bulb for replacement in my ceiling fixture in the room which serves as my ham shack. That places it about 5-feet from my radios. I bought it from Home Depot and is a CREE LED listing 800 lumens at 5000K and uses 9w. It has the built-in base PS and screws into a standard light fixture. CREE lists life for 22.8 years at 3-hour/day usage and has limited warranty for ten years. Cost $11.98 I am seeing NO RFI from it on HF to mw frequencies. I will start replacing several of our cheap GE incandescent bulbs with the CREE; average life for the 50cent GE's is 30-days. Break even is 24-months on cost without taking into consideration energy savings. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 12:08:52 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very impressed > with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 would be as a > portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue May 12 12:09:58 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:09:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <555225D6.6050709@socal.rr.com> It would be interesting to know: 1) How MFJ came up with such and idea, and decided to act on it; 2) Who designed this product. Phil W7OX On 5/11/15 8:45 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > This strikes me as quite bizarre. Do they > REALLY think we'd jeopardize our radios to save > a hundred bucks on duplicate option??? > > I could "almost" understand it if it was > something that was not available from the OEM, > or, if it did something the OEM unit couldn't do. > > Personally, I think it was a very bad move on > MFJ's part to even consider it and I am > surprised they'd expend the effort to put it > into production.. > > That said, I have lots of MFJ products and > although I've never had any major complaints, I > do understand they have some QC problems. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH From chip at strattonfamily.us Tue May 12 12:25:10 2015 From: chip at strattonfamily.us (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Incandescent bulbs get rid of most of their waste heat as IR radiation. CFLs do so too, but since they are more efficient there is a bit less IR to radiate. LEDs radiate very little waste heat, but since they are still not perfectly efficient, their waste heat has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is conduction into the base of the bulb and/or a heat sink near the base. So yes LED replacement bulb bases can get pretty hot, but that is because that is the direction the waste heat has to go. An LED which converted all of its energy into visible light would create about 683 lumens/watt, but typical LED light bulb efficiencies are usually around 60 lumens/watt (depending on how hard they are driven), so still not even 15% efficient at converting power into light. Compare that to an incandescent bulb, which offers about 10 lumens/watt. Chip AE5KA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 12:26:28 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:26:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555229B4.4050401@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > owever, the only ones I can't live with are the undercounter LED strips powered by WAC 24 volt power packs. Not only are those things, the power packs, unusually expensive, I am surprised that the FCC allows their sale in the U.S. They obliterate the 160 and 80 meter bands on my KX3 and K3. You should not be surprised about the FCC's inaction -- their enforcement division was gutted in the name of small government, and what was left of it is going away in the name of a balanced budget. You've correctly zeroed in on the noisy component -- it's the PSU. You should return them and the lights that use them as defective and demand your money back. If you can't or don't want to do that, throw those noisy PSUs in the trash and replace them with a linear supply. Check out the LED lighting from this vendor. I'm using their strips to light my hamshack, running five strips in series to light my ham shack. The combination draws 1.2A from my 12V system. Their strip lights have built-in rectifiers ahd regulators that allow them to run from any AC or DC source between 10 and 24 V. They have been exhibiting at Pacificon and the Visalia DX Convention for several years. https://www.wiredco.com/LED_Flashing_Lighting_s/1847.htm There are several good ways to power these lights. I've trashed all the new switching power supplies that come with new electronics and replaced them with old linear wall warts that came with much older stuff. And I buy more of them at hamfests and second hand stores, typically for a buck apiece. Another trick is to use a smaller linear supply to trickle charge a battery of the voltage that the equipment needs. I'm doing that for stuff around my living room entertainment system, and for the cable modem and WiFi router. In addition to killing the noise, it functions as an inexpensive UPS. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 12:36:30 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see > ). Does anyone have any experience with it? > -- Hi Vic, I think it's a brand new product. This is a very good company, their other products are first rate. On your rooftop, its vertical pattern will be subject to the same advantages and shortcomings as your existing antenna. Note that they are comparing it to a 43 ft vertical, which is not a very good performer above 20M. If you haven't already done so, take a look at my presentation about the 43 ft vertical. I think you've already seen the one about "should I put it on my roof." :) 73, Jim K9YC From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue May 12 12:36:45 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD Ham Radio Deluxe In-Reply-To: References: <55520F25.4030203@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55522C1D.5040100@comcast.net> Brian, I have, also, used it for a while. I have it integrated with Win4K3. I have an older version 6. I lost the propagation connection and the newer version play nicer with Win4K3. I expect to have a lot to play with when I return from Dayton. 73, Barry K3NDM On 5/12/2015 10:58 AM, Brian R. Malone wrote: > I use HRD with my equip and it works well in shack for logging etc and remotely when traveling. The tech support is excellent. > Brian > W2BRM > NY > > > > >> On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >> >> Robin, >> Thanks for the heads up on that. I hadn't seen anything other than your note. I just went ahead and put in my order and I did get the discount. That will be one less thing to worry about at Dayton. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >>> On 5/11/2015 11:50 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: >>> for info.. there is a HRD offer on for Dayton.. >>> >>> if you want $10 off on HRD full or upgrade, now is your chance. >>> >>> Put coupon code "dayton" (all lower case, not quotes) in at checkout. >>> >>> http://www.hrdsoftwarellc.com/purchase.html >>> >>> Robin G1MHU >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 12:38:07 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: <201505121606.t4CG6bwe019292@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201505121606.t4CG6bwe019292@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <55522C6F.8030102@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/12/2015 9:06 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > That places it about 5-feet from my radios. Repeat after me -- proximity to radios DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! What matters is proximity to ANTENNAS! 73, Jim K9YC From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue May 12 12:44:19 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:44:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55522DE3.3010905@comcast.net> Vic, Look at the H Pole antenna. I just built one and am holding it up by a single halyard in a tree in my yard. It appears to work pretty well and should fit almost any yard/garden. Here is the site: http://www.qsl.net/hb9mtn/hb9mtn_h-pole.html. The only thing that I have found critical is the length of the feed line. As I use an SGC-230 tuner, I felt that I could use a much shorter feed than the author. I can tune the antenna, bit it does challenge the tuner. I'm using the center feed rather than off center feed. 73, Barry K3NDM On 5/12/2015 12:00 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see > ). Does anyone have any experience with it? From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:46:37 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:46:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HRD user question Message-ID: Will HRD logging software track US counties? 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP From kevin at ve3syb.ca Tue May 12 12:47:27 2015 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Anyone_using_a_DESpole=3F?= In-Reply-To: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67d79b6b200f05c2a648270cf8045f97@ve3syb.ca> On 2015-05-12 12:00, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see > ). Does anyone have any experience with it? That is a very unusual looking antenna. I would be concerned about how well it would hold up to the high winds I sometimes get, and the snow and ice that I get in the winter. I wonder why they compared it to a 43' vertical. I have used a 26' vertical. I haven't lived on a property that had a yard big enough in which I could have assembled a 43' vertical lying on the ground before it got raised to its vertical orientation. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue May 12 13:00:12 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:00:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HRD user question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5552319C.9050808@gmail.com> No, it doesn't Ken, but I'm sure they'd be willing to accept it to the new features list. It may take a while, they're swamped with the new release (any day now, fixes MANY bugs caused by Windoze). http://forums.hrdsoftwarellc.com/ is the place to post your request. BTW, discount of $10 for new or upgrade, code word DAYTON. 73, Rick nhc beta tester PS Hope Rose is progressing well. On 5/12/2015 9:46 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Will HRD logging software track US counties? > > 73! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:53:46 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:53:46 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <67d79b6b200f05c2a648270cf8045f97@ve3syb.ca> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <67d79b6b200f05c2a648270cf8045f97@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <5552301A.8050001@gmail.com> From todd at ruby-wine.com Tue May 12 13:02:28 2015 From: todd at ruby-wine.com (todd ruby) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:02:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meter pre amp Message-ID: Dear list members I must be doing something wrong. I have connected the PR6 pre amp to the KXV3. I run the pwr lead to the accessory output. I leave it permanently on. When I go to 6 meters, the preamp icon comes on but if I push RX ANT to the ?ON? position, it is as if I have disconnected the antenna. I also have the 2M module installed whose antenna input is connected to the RX ANT which was installed at Elecraft. Can someone give me some guidance on the set up for correct operation of the pre amp? tnx 73 todd WB2ZAB From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue May 12 13:08:55 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:08:55 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> I am getting way too familiar with that roof since I put up the R8! I presume the DESpole will perform more or less like a rotatable dipole, since that's what it is. But it's small enough to go on the roof. I'm unhappy with the R8 for various reasons, and the only other acceptable options for a vertical require radials. And there simply isn't room for a good set of symmetrical radials. The DESpole will limit me to 3 bands, which is a big hit. On the other hand, it should be a little louder than a vertical on those bands, as well as quieter on receive. The 43' vertical isn't my favorite antenna either. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 May 2015 19:36, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see >> ). Does anyone have any experience with it? >> -- > > Hi Vic, > > I think it's a brand new product. This is a very good company, their > other products are first rate. On your rooftop, its vertical pattern > will be subject to the same advantages and shortcomings as your existing > antenna. Note that they are comparing it to a 43 ft vertical, which is > not a very good performer above 20M. > > If you haven't already done so, take a look at my presentation about the > 43 ft vertical. I think you've already seen the one about "should I put > it on my roof." :) > > 73, Jim K9YC From wes at triconet.org Tue May 12 13:18:19 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:18:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555235DB.4050305@triconet.org> There was a non-technical review of it in the March 2014 QST (p.54) I'm put off by the hype: "/*Breakthrough electromagnetic and mechanical engineering powers high-performance dipole arrays covering multiple bands with full-size efficiency. " */This appears to be nothing more than what Gary Breed calls a "coupled-resonator dipole" in, /The ARRL Antenna Compendium, Vol 5./ and republished in the /ARRL Antenna Book.///(Chapter 10.5) in the latest edition.//Hardly a breakthrough./ /I'm looking at building one, without the bent elements, for the WARC bands. Wes N7WS /* */ On 5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see > ). Does anyone have any experience with it? From ctate at ewnetinc.com Tue May 12 13:19:53 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com>,<555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A1184@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> SteppIR dipole works pretty good on my low level gth on a chimney mount. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO [k2vco.vic at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:08 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? I am getting way too familiar with that roof since I put up the R8! I presume the DESpole will perform more or less like a rotatable dipole, since that's what it is. But it's small enough to go on the roof. I'm unhappy with the R8 for various reasons, and the only other acceptable options for a vertical require radials. And there simply isn't room for a good set of symmetrical radials. The DESpole will limit me to 3 bands, which is a big hit. On the other hand, it should be a little louder than a vertical on those bands, as well as quieter on receive. The 43' vertical isn't my favorite antenna either. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 12 May 2015 19:36, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see >> ). Does anyone have any experience with it? >> -- > > Hi Vic, > > I think it's a brand new product. This is a very good company, their > other products are first rate. On your rooftop, its vertical pattern > will be subject to the same advantages and shortcomings as your existing > antenna. Note that they are comparing it to a 43 ft vertical, which is > not a very good performer above 20M. > > If you haven't already done so, take a look at my presentation about the > 43 ft vertical. I think you've already seen the one about "should I put > it on my roof." :) > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From huntinhmb at coastside.net Tue May 12 13:38:55 2015 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:38:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A1184@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A1184@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: I'd prefer a hex beam over this antenna. The turning radius on my G3TSQ designed broadband hex is about 11 ft. It has 5 bands + 6 meters if you add it, some gain over a dipole and F/B > 10 dB. I've seen kits for about the same price as the 10/15/20 meter DESPole. The hex does have a higher wind and visual profile if that's a concern. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From w6jhb at me.com Tue May 12 13:45:34 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:45:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <6C9B1762-24D3-47DE-A73C-BC713F805198@me.com> Jim - Do you use a solar panel to charge that LFP battery, and if so, what do you use for a charge controller? Is it one specific for LiFePO4 chemistry? Jim / W6JHB > On Monday, May 11, 2015, at Monday, 12:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Mon,5/11/2015 12:08 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> Harry, I have NiMH in my KX3. > > I have a set of 2.8 Ah NiMH cells in my KX3, which has the recharging module. > > I also bought one of these 12V - 20Ah units for longer operating periods. LiFEPO4 is the preferred battery chemistry, and this particular model has the lightest weight I've found. I paid about $250 for battery and charger w/tax and shipping. > > http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-20ah-lfp-battery-black-pvc-pack > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 12 13:57:53 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:57:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <6C9B1762-24D3-47DE-A73C-BC713F805198@me.com> References: <1737612814.4369480.1431370016360.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5551090A.4080803@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6C9B1762-24D3-47DE-A73C-BC713F805198@me.com> Message-ID: <55523F21.50804@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/12/2015 10:45 AM, James Bennett wrote: > Jim - Do you use a solar panel to charge that LFP battery, and if so, what do you use for a charge controller? Is it one specific for LiFePO4 chemistry? No. I bought their dedicated 4A charger that runs from 120VAC. 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue May 12 14:09:19 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:09:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <555235DB.4050305@triconet.org> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <555235DB.4050305@triconet.org> Message-ID: <56199872-F019-4493-96F6-56CEB7C325F5@wunderwood.org> I can?t tell whether it is a coupled-resonator dipole or a fan dipole. I?m betting on the latter. I don?t think you could cover that much bandwidth with a coupled-resonator design. The drooping ends are a reasonable choice for a limited space dipole. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 12, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > There was a non-technical review of it in the March 2014 QST (p.54) > > I'm put off by the hype: "/*Breakthrough electromagnetic and mechanical engineering powers high-performance dipole arrays covering multiple bands with full-size efficiency. " > > */This appears to be nothing more than what Gary Breed calls a "coupled-resonator dipole" in, /The ARRL Antenna Compendium, Vol 5./ and republished in the /ARRL Antenna Book.///(Chapter 10.5) in the latest edition.//Hardly a breakthrough./ > > /I'm looking at building one, without the bent elements, for the WARC bands. > > Wes N7WS > /* > */ > > > On 5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see ). Does anyone have any experience with it? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 14:13:45 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:13:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> Message-ID: <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> My K2 doesn't have the DSP option and it works just fine. I'll bite ... how did the K2 DSP option happen? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 5:35 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I guess none of you guys know how the K2 wound up having a DSP in it. From mike at ki8r.com Tue May 12 14:16:27 2015 From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: Vic, This is simply a bent dipole. I feel your pain with the R8. I had an R7 several years ago. It was deaf on 20 for some reason. 73 - Mike - KI8R On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO < k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote: > I am getting way too familiar with that roof since I put up the R8! > I presume the DESpole will perform more or less like a rotatable dipole, > since that's what it is. But it's small enough to go on the roof. > > I'm unhappy with the R8 for various reasons, and the only other acceptable > options for a vertical require radials. And there simply isn't room for a > good set of symmetrical radials. > > The DESpole will limit me to 3 bands, which is a big hit. On the other > hand, it should be a little louder than a vertical on those bands, as well > as quieter on receive. > > The 43' vertical isn't my favorite antenna either. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 12 May 2015 19:36, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Tue,5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> >>> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see >>> ). Does anyone have any experience with it? >>> -- >>> >> >> Hi Vic, >> >> I think it's a brand new product. This is a very good company, their >> other products are first rate. On your rooftop, its vertical pattern >> will be subject to the same advantages and shortcomings as your existing >> antenna. Note that they are comparing it to a 43 ft vertical, which is >> not a very good performer above 20M. >> >> If you haven't already done so, take a look at my presentation about the >> 43 ft vertical. I think you've already seen the one about "should I put >> it on my roof." :) >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike at ki8r.com > -- ----------------------------------------------- *Michael Murphy - KI8R* mike at ki8r.com www.ki8r.com *614-371-8265 (cell)* ----------------------------------------------- From ctate at ewnetinc.com Tue May 12 14:18:52 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:18:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY contesting with KX3 and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <798FC055-970E-4AA1-9F37-8F46D682F245@ewnetinc.com> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD49B3C6@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>, <798FC055-970E-4AA1-9F37-8F46D682F245@ewnetinc.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A149D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> All I got some very good feedback from one KX3 RTTY contester on this...(much appreciated) so I thought I would share with the other KX3 owners so they can be informed. It sounds like for taking the KX3 in the pelican case to a remote DXped/contesting location.. some extras need to be added to the kit. First an enhanced heat sink for the KX3 itself..(doesnt need to be the best one out there if you are driving the amp, but if you decide to go 5w qrp definitely the best one you can find. If you are going to use the whole KX line a muffin fan or computer fan of some type to facilitate better heat dissipation for the KXPA100 in heavy yet not continuous duty cycle. Thoughts.. This is just a bit surprising to me since most of the past Elecraft offerings have been so over engineered in the past (take the K3 and the KPA500 for example.. basically bulletproof at their specified power levels). I am reading fairly clearly that is not the case with the KX Line. In particular with digital modes. So I will purchase an aftermarket heat sink for the KX3 and rig up a fan tapped into the powerpoles feeding my KXPA100 to put in as needed. Shouldn't add to much bulk to the setup. keeping things frugal, light, and portable is a great advantage of the platform.. unfortunately the compromise in size seems to have come at the expense of the higher duty cycle modes and departs from the historical bulletproof engineering strategy. The KXPA100 manual specifies a 60 second keydown continuous carrier for digital.. But feedback for actual field use indicates that even the KXPA100 in a typical few seconds on few seconds off will eventually trip its heat protection without some help.. Again some enhanced specifics of the actual safe limits of both the KX3 and the KX3/KX3100 combo would be appreciated. Other than that its such a cool little setup. Chris N6WM ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Chris Tate - N6WM [ctate at ewnetinc.com] Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 7:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY contesting with KX3 and KXPA100 Maybe Wayne or Eric could chime in if the greater group doesn't have some feedback for this. Id rather be up to speed rather than get caught off guard 6000 miles from the home qth :-) Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > > On the subject of JT65 and the KX3 heat compensation with high duty cycle dig..I am curious. Has anyone done a contest like NAQP RTTY with a KX3, particularly if you have the newer Elecraft based heat sink mod that was implemented in Dec 14? I was wondering if the heat protection will kick in with a fairly aggressive cq rate in 2 scenarios: > > > 1. qrp at 5 w > > 2. with the KXPA100 at higher power > > Looking for a general idea of the tolerance of the KX3 itself and also if it can maintain max drive of the KXPA100 with a moderately high duty cycle . (AFSK for now..) > > I have put together a KX3/KXPA100 setup for IOTA and to travel with me to CE3, and want to make sure I understand my real world limitations and tolerances. Appreciate hearing real world experience, as well as opinions based on the tolerances of the rig/amp if I decide to jump into a contest like NAQP domestically, and internationally from the Santiago CE qth. > > Thanks in advance for your feedback. (oh and yes, I am a contester, and yes, I am very observant of my signal quality : -). Please let's not go there.) > > Thanks > Chris > N6WM > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 14:37:30 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 11:37:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <55522C0E.7010207@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555233A7.6040809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5552486A.4020902@foothill.net> The GAP Titan doesn't require radials either. Mine is on the roof over the shack mounted on the 3" pipe that goes up the wall to a weatherhead and carries my coax runs to the tower. I got it mainly for the top two WARC bands, my sloping V is too long for them and squirts my RF in all sorts of unproductive directions. The Titan is a vertical ... noisy, but I make contacts on it. Currently, I'm using the center conductor of its PL-259 as a RX antenna on 474.2 KHz. The Titan is basically a center fed half-wave dipole with a lot of linear loading. It's kind of ugly. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 11:16 AM, Michael Murphy wrote: > Vic, > > This is simply a bent dipole. > > I feel your pain with the R8. I had an R7 several years ago. It was deaf > on 20 for some reason. > > 73 - Mike - KI8R > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO < > k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am getting way too familiar with that roof since I put up the R8! >> I presume the DESpole will perform more or less like a rotatable dipole, >> since that's what it is. But it's small enough to go on the roof. >> >> I'm unhappy with the R8 for various reasons, and the only other acceptable >> options for a vertical require radials. And there simply isn't room for a >> good set of symmetrical radials. >> >> The DESpole will limit me to 3 bands, which is a big hit. On the other >> hand, it should be a little louder than a vertical on those bands, as well >> as quieter on receive. >> >> The 43' vertical isn't my favorite antenna either. >> >> 73, >> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO >> Rehovot, Israel >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >> On 12 May 2015 19:36, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Tue,5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >>> >>>> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see >>>> ). Does anyone have any experience with it? >>>> -- >>>> >>> >>> Hi Vic, >>> >>> I think it's a brand new product. This is a very good company, their >>> other products are first rate. On your rooftop, its vertical pattern >>> will be subject to the same advantages and shortcomings as your existing >>> antenna. Note that they are comparing it to a 43 ft vertical, which is >>> not a very good performer above 20M. >>> >>> If you haven't already done so, take a look at my presentation about the >>> 43 ft vertical. I think you've already seen the one about "should I put >>> it on my roof." :) >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike at ki8r.com >> > > > From k1whs at metrocast.net Tue May 12 14:42:50 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:42:50 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net><27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I am using my KPA500 while running on batteries. Sounds weird but true. The KPA500 is quite efficient although it is always drawing some current even when turned off. I can see that slight drain on my DC ammeters. In receive, there is little current drain. Of course, when I start sending CW I see the ammeter go up to about 70 amps. (Not a peak reading ammeter either!). My battery bank is a pair of 275 AH solar AGM type 12 volt batteries. The charging circuit is a couple of 220 watt solar panels. I use a pure sine wave inverter that is pretty noiseless. (Xantrex Pro Sine 1800 W) During the day when the Sun is out, the batteries charge up during the receive cycle, so I don't deplete the batteries at all. At night I can go for many hours and have never gotten close to even a 50% discharge. In short, the K3/KPA500 combo is very efficient. I could not do that with my big tube amps! The filaments and blowers would kill the batteries before I even got the HV turned on! Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Veeneman" To: "Wayne Burdick" Cc: "Elecraft List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power > plants as the bridge. > -- > Marc > >> On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) >> >> If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably >> eliminate the need for any new power plants. >> >> Even if we all started using KPA500s. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >>> I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical >>> demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED >>> lighting. >>> -- >>> Marc W8SDG >>> >>> _ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net From f5vhp at netcourrier.com Tue May 12 15:09:18 2015 From: f5vhp at netcourrier.com (f5vhp at netcourrier.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:09:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Ke-Klonk !! Message-ID: I recently acquired K2 #0957 (f/w 2.02 , 1.02) ATU, SSB module, NB module, 160m and Audio Filter modules are fitted. It makes a loud "Ke-Klonk" at switch on and whenever any of the following buttons are used: Band =/- Ant 1/2, TUNE NB, LEVEL MODE Pre / Att XFil and, worst of all each time cw transmission is dropped, making semi or full break-in impossible. The Audio gain control makes no difference. It makes the same Ke-Klonk when scrolling the menu between "OPT" and "ANT", "RIT" and "ACC" and at every step through the "ANT" sub menu. Removing the ATU made no difference. So I'm wondering where to look next ? William F5vhp From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 12 15:12:12 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries In-Reply-To: <55523F21.50804@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <55523F21.50804@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1925441580.686565.1431457932839.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> They also have a 12 VDC smart charger for the LFP batteries, I use that so I can charge from the solar panel or the car. Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Batteries On Tue,5/12/2015 10:45 AM, James Bennett wrote: > Jim - Do you use a solar panel to charge that LFP battery, and if so, what do you use for a charge controller? Is it one specific for LiFePO4 chemistry? No. I bought their dedicated 4A charger that runs from 120VAC. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Tue May 12 15:19:56 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5552525C.1010604@cis-broadband.com> Yes, I've also been surprised at how hot the bases get, but you have to understand that everything is in that base ... the power supply and the heat sink for the LED chip(s). The total energy expended is all that's important, though, and on average the energy expended on a 60 watt equivalent LED bulb is about 1/5 to 1/6 that of a comparable incandescent bulb. Watts are watts, and you pay for watt-hours no matter where it gets expended. At my QTH, electricity costs about $0.11 per kilowatt-hour. A 60 watt bulb (i.e., incandescent) running 4 hours per day 300 days per year would eat up roughly $8 worth of electricity. Lowe's is currently selling store brand 60 watt equivalent (800 lumens) LED bulbs for $2.48 and it is not difficult to find similar deals elsewhere. At ten watts for the LED bulb, that works out to be less than five months payback on a bulb that will probably last 10 to 15 years or more. You could pay up to about $6.65 per bulb and still have a payback less than one year. For some reason indoor LED flood lights (PAR30) are more expensive, but even there the payback is less than two years. Dave AB7E On 5/12/2015 5:33 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I put 3 LED can lights in the shack, and there are 11 LED bulbs in the kitchen next door. No noise that I can attribute to them. I like the whiter, brighter light. > > I do have a question about the claimed $ savings. The base of these things get fairly hot. How much is that heat costing? > > 73, Mike NF4L > > From esteptony at gmail.com Tue May 12 15:37:30 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <5552525C.1010604@cis-broadband.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <5552525C.1010604@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:19 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > ...Watts are watts, and you pay for watt-hours no matter... ======== Would you say that watt you see is watt you get? Tony KT0NY From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Tue May 12 15:39:17 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:39:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555256E5.2090602@cis-broadband.com> For starters, you're kind of contradicting yourself there. Factor in the cost of replacement incandescent bulbs and that alone justifies their cost since 15 to 20 year lifetimes are not an unreasonable expectation for LED bulbs in "normal" operation. In my experience, this holds true even when compared against the less expensive CFL bulbs that for me don't last much longer than incandescents. But it's pretty easy to calculate the energy savings as well. Work up your own numbers and I can pretty much guarantee that they will prove your last statement dead wrong. If you get a payback greater than two years you either did the math wrong or paid too much for your bulbs. 73, Dave AB7E On 5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > > I seem to be rambling but wanted to share my experience. I will say it's wonderful not to be replacing burned out bulbs, a former weekly experience. > > I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 16:17:36 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:17:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Message-ID: <13916416.1431461857889.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It's not that the switching PSUs are so noisy, they are, but that these LED strips are such good antennas! The regulating authorities, particularly the EU, are very sensitive about conducted powerline emissions but since the load side of the PSU is unspecified, there are no filtering requirements. Simply the PSUs radiate out the DC side. Adding a conducted filter line at the PSU output can reduce a lot of EMI. Whether that is enough is as you mention depends on how close the LEDs are to your antennas so no two will be alike. There is another issue with many of the cheaper LED strips. The strips are rated for 12V while the LEDs are 3 volts (round numbers). This means that 9 volts must be dropped across a resistor (typically a 1/2 watt carbon film). This is throwing away 3/4 of the energy on the input side without figuring any LED efficiency. The better way of driving a LED is from a current source. Many LEDs can be driven from a single current source but this is a great deal more difficult (and consequently more expensive). This is a bit like the old series string Christmas tree lights which have a bad reputation for reliability. Because of cost and perceived reliability series string strips are the exception rather than the rule. Conclusion: LED light strips with switchers can be very efficient and quiet but take some searching to identify. Investigate the technology before you buy and make sure anything you buy is returnable and test before you throw the package away. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Brown >Sent: May 12, 2015 9:26 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > >On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >> owever, the only ones I can't live with are the undercounter LED strips powered by WAC 24 volt power packs. Not only are those things, the power packs, unusually expensive, I am surprised that the FCC allows their sale in the U.S. They obliterate the 160 and 80 meter bands on my KX3 and K3. > >You should not be surprised about the FCC's inaction -- their >enforcement division was gutted in the name of small government, and >what was left of it is going away in the name of a balanced budget. > >You've correctly zeroed in on the noisy component -- it's the PSU. You >should return them and the lights that use them as defective and demand >your money back. If you can't or don't want to do that, throw those >noisy PSUs in the trash and replace them with a linear supply. > >Check out the LED lighting from this vendor. I'm using their strips to >light my hamshack, running five strips in series to light my ham shack. >The combination draws 1.2A from my 12V system. Their strip lights have >built-in rectifiers ahd regulators that allow them to run from any AC or >DC source between 10 and 24 V. They have been exhibiting at Pacificon >and the Visalia DX Convention for several years. > >https://www.wiredco.com/LED_Flashing_Lighting_s/1847.htm > >There are several good ways to power these lights. I've trashed all the >new switching power supplies that come with new electronics and replaced >them with old linear wall warts that came with much older stuff. And I >buy more of them at hamfests and second hand stores, typically for a >buck apiece. Another trick is to use a smaller linear supply to trickle >charge a battery of the voltage that the equipment needs. I'm doing that >for stuff around my living room entertainment system, and for the cable >modem and WiFi router. In addition to killing the noise, it functions as >an inexpensive UPS. > >73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From lists at subich.com Tue May 12 16:27:54 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? In-Reply-To: <56199872-F019-4493-96F6-56CEB7C325F5@wunderwood.org> References: <5552238F.4060203@gmail.com> <555235DB.4050305@triconet.org> <56199872-F019-4493-96F6-56CEB7C325F5@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <5552624A.9050805@subich.com> On 2015-05-12 2:09 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I can?t tell whether it is a coupled-resonator dipole or a fan dipole. It's most certainly a coupled resonator dipole. That from e-mail exchanges with Innovantennas US. Alternatives to the DESpole might be the Force 12 Sigma 30-10 (10- 30 MHz) vertical, the N6BT Q51 (band switching 14-30 MHz dipole) or a single/two element SteppIR. The one issue with N6BT is the absolutely horrible customer service/delivery response. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-12 2:09 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I can?t tell whether it is a coupled-resonator dipole or a fan dipole. I?m betting on the latter. I don?t think you could cover that much bandwidth with a coupled-resonator design. > > The drooping ends are a reasonable choice for a limited space dipole. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > On May 12, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > >> There was a non-technical review of it in the March 2014 QST (p.54) >> >> I'm put off by the hype: "/*Breakthrough electromagnetic and mechanical engineering powers high-performance dipole arrays covering multiple bands with full-size efficiency. " >> >> */This appears to be nothing more than what Gary Breed calls a "coupled-resonator dipole" in, /The ARRL Antenna Compendium, Vol 5./ and republished in the /ARRL Antenna Book.///(Chapter 10.5) in the latest edition.//Hardly a breakthrough./ >> >> /I'm looking at building one, without the bent elements, for the WARC bands. >> >> Wes N7WS >> /* >> */ >> >> >> On 5/12/2015 9:00 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >>> I'm looking at an interesting antenna, the Innovantennas DESpole (see ). Does anyone have any experience with it? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 12 16:35:59 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> I know that answer - Lyle Johnson K7PP wanted a DSP in his K2 - he was the designer of the DSPx module which is the upper board. Lyle was not an Elecraft employee at that time. He reverse engineered the AUXBUS communications sufficiently to support an interface between his board and the K2 control board. As I understand it, that initial DSP implementation was for Lyle's own use. He later presented it to Elecraft and it was adopted as an Elecraft option. Lyle did not sell the KDSP2 independently. The difference between the KDSP2 and the MFJ tuner is that MFJ is independently selling an internal K3 "option" It is an aftermarket option and will not be supported by Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/12/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My K2 doesn't have the DSP option and it works just fine. I'll bite > ... how did the K2 DSP option happen? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 5/12/2015 5:35 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> I guess none of you guys know how the K2 wound up having a DSP in it. > From wes at triconet.org Tue May 12 16:51:47 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 13:51:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com> <55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com> <1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> Message-ID: <32FF8EDF-A630-46A6-AB0A-C656250C3205@triconet.org> Lyle?? On May 12, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My K2 doesn't have the DSP option and it works just fine. I'll bite ... how did the K2 DSP option happen? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 5/12/2015 5:35 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> I guess none of you guys know how the K2 wound up having a DSP From mhvnmn at gmail.com Tue May 12 17:03:37 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <555256E5.2090602@cis-broadband.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <555256E5.2090602@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <823A4141-E7C9-4428-9864-49B1437D11CC@gmail.com> On May 12, 2015, at 3:39 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > For starters, you're kind of contradicting yourself there. > But it's pretty easy to calculate the energy savings as well. Work up your own numbers and I can pretty much guarantee that they will prove your last statement dead wrong. If you get a payback greater than two years you either did the math wrong or paid too much for your bulbs. > I paid too much. As an early adopter to LED I had all the bulbs changed before prices dropped below $12 each. Most of the scores of bulbs in both homes cost between $18 and $35 each. A few, the ones with cooling fans built into the bases, cost even more. But I don't regret it. The irritation of "that bulb is out" and the trouble of 12 to 20 foot high ceilings pushed me to do it. Heck, think of all the extra time for hamming since I never have to change those doggone bulbs, nor do I have to stock up anymore! -- Marc W8SDG From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 17:15:07 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:15:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Message-ID: <2285053.1431465308552.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> KillerWatt will PUNish you. -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Estep >Sent: May 12, 2015 12:37 PM >To: David Gilbert >Cc: Elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > >On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:19 PM, David Gilbert >wrote: > >> ...Watts are watts, and you pay for watt-hours no matter... > >======== >Would you say that watt you see is watt you get? > >Tony KT0NY >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue May 12 17:15:34 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <823A4141-E7C9-4428-9864-49B1437D11CC@gmail.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <555256E5.2090602@cis-broadband.com> <823A4141-E7C9-4428-9864-49B1437D11CC@gmail.com> Message-ID: The one downside I?ve found so far is that virtually all of them specify ?not for use in enclosed luminaries?. This means that if you have enclosed glass luminaries (like overhead fan lights, and many outdoor lamp enclosures, for example), you have to replace the luminary too. I presume that?s because of the high heat generated in the base of the LED lamp. Although, to be honest, a standard bulb gets pretty hot in those things, too. Grant NQ5T From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 12 17:43:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1671433613.984849.1431467014034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Please forgive a really stupid question, but woulda "High Hat" fixture (like the ones that were justinstalled in the ceiling of our recently renovatedkitchen) be?considered an "enclosed luminary" in this context? My XYL and I considered putting in LED lamps/bulbsat that time, but when I went shopping at our localhome improvement stores, I became very apprehensive... Luckily, the shack (which is in the garage) is rightoff of the kitchen, so any RFI will be resolved easily :-) Thanks, Brandy, N1HO GRANT YOUNGMAN said: >>> The one downside I?ve found so far is that virtually all of them specify ?not for use in enclosed luminaries?.? From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 17:45:13 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> Thanks Don, did not know that. I guess the "ethical" line is somewhat vague. Designing and marketing an external accessory that uses the band outputs, or the published list of commands for the serial port happens a lot and is just fine, the interface is published and supported by Elecraft I believe the KAT3 tuning algorithms are contained in the K3 firmware which Elecraft does not disclose, so the MFJ gizmo must have begun with a reverse engineering effort, always a very dicey undertaking under the best of conditions. The proprietary firmware is subject to change at any time at Elecraft's discretion. The MFJ thing is not the least bit appealing to me. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 1:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I know that answer - Lyle Johnson K7PP wanted a DSP in his K2 - he was > the designer of the DSPx module which is the upper board. > Lyle was not an Elecraft employee at that time. > He reverse engineered the AUXBUS communications sufficiently to support > an interface between his board and the K2 control board. > As I understand it, that initial DSP implementation was for Lyle's own > use. He later presented it to Elecraft and it was adopted as an > Elecraft option. Lyle did not sell the KDSP2 independently. > The difference between the KDSP2 and the MFJ tuner is that MFJ is > independently selling an internal K3 "option" It is an aftermarket > option and will not be supported by Elecraft. From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 17:51:31 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 14:51:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Message-ID: <19687123.1431467492941.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You may want to check Costco. They are selling LED well lamps with luminaries. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft" >Sent: May 12, 2015 2:43 PM >To: GRANT YOUNGMAN , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > >Please forgive a really stupid question, but woulda "High Hat" fixture (like the ones that were justinstalled in the ceiling of our recently renovatedkitchen) be?considered an "enclosed luminary" in this context? >My XYL and I considered putting in LED lamps/bulbsat that time, but when I went shopping at our localhome improvement stores, I became very apprehensive... >Luckily, the shack (which is in the garage) is rightoff of the kitchen, so any RFI will be resolved easily :-) >Thanks, >Brandy, N1HO > > GRANT YOUNGMAN said: > > >>>> The one downside I?ve found so far is that virtually all of them specify ?not for use in enclosed luminaries?.? > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From radioham at mchsi.com Tue May 12 17:55:38 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:55:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <1671433613.984849.1431467014034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1671433613.984849.1431467014034.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lowes seems to sell retrofit units for what I think you have. David K0LUM On May 12, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > Please forgive a really stupid question, but woulda "High Hat" fixture (like the ones that were justinstalled in the ceiling of our recently renovatedkitchen) be considered an "enclosed luminary" in this context? > My XYL and I considered putting in LED lamps/bulbsat that time, but when I went shopping at our localhome improvement stores, I became very apprehensive... > Luckily, the shack (which is in the garage) is rightoff of the kitchen, so any RFI will be resolved easily :-) > Thanks, > Brandy, N1HO > > GRANT YOUNGMAN said: > > >>>> The one downside I?ve found so far is that virtually all of them specify ?not for use in enclosed luminaries?. From bob at hogbytes.com Tue May 12 18:25:38 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 15:25:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <5552525C.1010604@cis-broadband.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <5552525C.1010604@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <1431469538943-7602540.post@n2.nabble.com> I would buy one or two of any bulb before replacing a lot of them. Some of the Chinese LED's are very noisy. It is not the LED itself, but the driving circuitry. There are some very quiet ones out there as well, but it is hard to tell until you try them. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/LED-bulbs-tp7602474p7602540.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 18:30:30 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 15:30:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LEDs musings Message-ID: <21799196.1431469831276.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Many were sold by Target this last Christmas featuring the Philips brand name for as $3.99. However they were not really suitable for permanent installation. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Roy Koeppe >Sent: May 12, 2015 6:02 AM >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] LEDs musings > >Many household LEDs use many small lamps within them. Maybe up to 50, so if >they're connected in series as I assume, then 50 x 2.2 volts forward drop = >110 volts. Not much fancy power supply is needed? Anyone familiar with state >of design? > >73, Roy K6XK > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue May 12 18:52:22 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: <3849D32A4BEF4C80BC23D14477094662@HPE250f> Wes wrote: >Lyle?? You must be fairly "new around here..." Lyle Johnson, KK7P- Amsat, Elecraft, openHPSDR, etc... DSP programmer/designer extraordinaire. Bruce N1RX From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue May 12 18:54:31 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Dave I have a question for you. I too run off of solar when I am in my RV. I have a 900 amp hour battery bank. Using a 12v pure sine wave inverter. I took the battery bank and divided it to a 450 amp hour 24 volt system and it seems to last longer. Have you concidered this or even going to a 48 volt system? Just curious. Thanks Gerald. On May 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "Dave Olean" wrote: > I am using my KPA500 while running on batteries. Sounds weird but true. > The KPA500 is quite efficient although it is always drawing some current > even when turned off. I can see that slight drain on my DC ammeters. In > receive, there is little current drain. Of course, when I start sending CW > I see the ammeter go up to about 70 amps. (Not a peak reading ammeter > either!). My battery bank is a pair of 275 AH solar AGM type 12 volt > batteries. The charging circuit is a couple of 220 watt solar panels. I use > a pure sine wave inverter that is pretty noiseless. (Xantrex Pro Sine 1800 > W) During the day when the Sun is out, the batteries charge up during the > receive cycle, so I don't deplete the batteries at all. At night I can go > for many hours and have never gotten close to even a 50% discharge. In > short, the K3/KPA500 combo is very efficient. I could not do that with my > big tube amps! The filaments and blowers would kill the batteries before I > even got the HV turned on! > > Dave K1WHS > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Veeneman" > To: "Wayne Burdick" > Cc: "Elecraft List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > > > Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power >> plants as the bridge. >> -- >> Marc >> >> On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) >>> >>> If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably >>> eliminate the need for any new power plants. >>> >>> Even if we all started using KPA500s. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >>>> I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical >>>> demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. >>>> -- >>>> Marc W8SDG >>>> >>>> _ >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue May 12 19:04:48 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:04:48 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Ke-Klonk !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe there is an issue with the muting circuitry, around Q6 and Q7? 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 2015-maj-13, at 05:09, f5vhp at netcourrier.com wrote: > > I recently acquired K2 #0957 (f/w 2.02 , 1.02) > ATU, SSB module, NB module, 160m and Audio Filter modules are fitted. > It makes a loud "Ke-Klonk" at switch on and whenever any of the following buttons are used: > Band =/- > Ant 1/2, TUNE > NB, LEVEL > MODE > Pre / Att > XFil > and, worst of all each time cw transmission is dropped, making semi or full break-in impossible. > The Audio gain control makes no difference. > > It makes the same Ke-Klonk when scrolling the menu between "OPT" and "ANT", "RIT" and "ACC" and at every step through the "ANT" sub menu. > Removing the ATU made no difference. > So I'm wondering where to look next ? > > > > William > F5vhp > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From rbiggar at ihug.co.nz Tue May 12 19:06:56 2015 From: rbiggar at ihug.co.nz (Ross Biggar) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:06:56 +1200 Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter Message-ID: This is probably a very naive question, but where should a powermeter that measures Forward and reflected power be positioned? Should it be between the Amplifier and the Tuner, which could safeguard the amplifier if there was a high SWR, or after the tuner, (ie, between the tuner and the antenna)? Thanks Ross ZL1WN From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 19:13:49 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:13:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Message-ID: <30660066.1431472429794.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Gerald, going back to WWII 24 V radio jeeps and trucks have been around. Some used 4 x 6 volt batteries. Some fire trucks and RVs use redundant 12 volt systems so there is still starting power if the primary system runs down. Low loss, high current FET switches are available for switching such systems. All it takes is lots of money and 000 gage wire. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Gerald Manthey >Sent: May 12, 2015 3:54 PM >To: Dave Olean >Cc: Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > >Dave >I have a question for you. >I too run off of solar when I am in my RV. I have a 900 amp hour battery >bank. Using a 12v pure sine wave inverter. I took the battery bank and >divided it to a 450 amp hour 24 volt system and it seems to last longer. >Have you concidered this or even going to a 48 volt system? >Just curious. >Thanks >Gerald. > On May 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "Dave Olean" wrote: > >> I am using my KPA500 while running on batteries. Sounds weird but true. >> The KPA500 is quite efficient although it is always drawing some current >> even when turned off. I can see that slight drain on my DC ammeters. In >> receive, there is little current drain. Of course, when I start sending CW >> I see the ammeter go up to about 70 amps. (Not a peak reading ammeter >> either!). My battery bank is a pair of 275 AH solar AGM type 12 volt >> batteries. The charging circuit is a couple of 220 watt solar panels. I use >> a pure sine wave inverter that is pretty noiseless. (Xantrex Pro Sine 1800 >> W) During the day when the Sun is out, the batteries charge up during the >> receive cycle, so I don't deplete the batteries at all. At night I can go >> for many hours and have never gotten close to even a 50% discharge. In >> short, the K3/KPA500 combo is very efficient. I could not do that with my >> big tube amps! The filaments and blowers would kill the batteries before I >> even got the HV turned on! >> >> Dave K1WHS >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Veeneman" >> To: "Wayne Burdick" >> Cc: "Elecraft List" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >> >> >> Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power >>> plants as the bridge. >>> -- >>> Marc >>> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> >>>> LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) >>>> >>>> If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably >>>> eliminate the need for any new power plants. >>>> >>>> Even if we all started using KPA500s. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >>>>> I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical >>>>> demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. >>>>> -- >>>>> Marc W8SDG >>>>> >>>>> _ >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From lists at subich.com Tue May 12 19:25:17 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> Message-ID: <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> On 2015-05-12 5:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I believe the KAT3 tuning algorithms are contained in the K3 > firmware which Elecraft does not disclose, so the MFJ gizmo must have > begun with a reverse engineering effort, always a very dicey > undertaking under the best of conditions. Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 CPU controls both the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches. The only "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies the L/C values and controls exactly. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 19:32:59 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:32:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter Message-ID: <17486893.1431473580071.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ross, not to put too fine a point on it, but a power meter and a SWL meter are not the same. Without a directional coupler a power meter will read both forward and reflected power making readings appear overly high with high SWR. A power meter, i.e. watt meter will only be accurate when terminated into a 50 ohm resistive load. Now assuming you are using a directional coupler with two signals, the tuning process lowers return power so it should located between the amp and the tuner, usually at the amp end of the coax. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Biggar >Sent: May 12, 2015 4:06 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter > >This is probably a very naive question, but where should a powermeter that measures Forward and reflected power >be positioned? >Should it be between the Amplifier and the Tuner, which could safeguard the amplifier if there was a high SWR, >or after the tuner, (ie, between the tuner and the antenna)? > >Thanks >Ross ZL1WN >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From lists at subich.com Tue May 12 19:35:56 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55528E5C.2010503@subich.com> On 2015-05-12 7:06 PM, Ross Biggar wrote: > This is probably a very naive question, but where should a powermeter > that measures Forward and reflected power be positioned? Sine Wattmeters are only accurate at (or near) their design impedance, any wattmeter should be installed between the amplifier and antenna tuner or used in lines to antennas with low SWR 73, ... Joe, W4TV From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue May 12 19:40:03 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:40:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> Message-ID: <55528F53.80607@socal.rr.com> Joe, Re "perhaps loser cost parts": A Freudian typo? :-) Phil W7OX On 5/12/15 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 2015-05-12 5:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I believe the KAT3 tuning algorithms are >> contained in the K3 >> firmware which Elecraft does not disclose, so >> the MFJ gizmo must have >> begun with a reverse engineering effort, always >> a very dicey >> undertaking under the best of conditions. > > Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need > to know anything > about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 > CPU controls both > the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection > via a serial bus > and series of serial to parallel shift > registers/latches. The only > "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy > Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. > The only "value engineering" is to do what > Elecraft does at lower > production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. > > The real question is the ethics (and legality) > of copying Elecraft's > schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works > properly is if it copies > the L/C values and controls exactly. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 19:41:47 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:41:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55528FBB.6060403@foothill.net> Only naive if you've been around a hundred years and still don't know, Ross. :-) It depends on what you want to measure. If you put it between the antenna and the tuner, you'll measure the fwd/ref power from the antenna. If your antenna is resonant, AND the feedpoint impedance is equal to the characteristic impedance of the feedline [I'm assuming coax here], then you'll measure your forward power and reflected will be zero ... or close. If your antenna is not resonant, and/or its feedpoint impedance is not equal to the characteristic impedance of the feedline, you'll measure the forward and reflected power ... which could be anything and won't mean a whole lot. Incidentally, many ham power meters actually measure voltage not power and as reflected power goes up, so does the forward indication. The "power meter" needs to be able to handle the output power of the amplifier. If you put it between the amp and the tuner, you will measure the SWR that the amp is looking into. Ideally, the tuner will make that 1.0:1 and the forward power will be your output power. I wouldn't really worry about protecting the amp, today's amplifiers are pretty well self-protected, and you adjust the tuner at low power anyway, you'll know then if you got a good match or not. The power meter needs to be able to handle the drive power to the amplifier from your transceiver. Neither position tells you very much after the first check that you don't already know. And "Incidentally #2": "Antenna Tuners" do not "tune the antenna" and never have. We used to call them antenna couplers, which is closer to the truth but still no cigar. They are really just matching networks that will transform the complex impedance at the end of your coax [or other feedline] to what the radio/amp wants to see, usually 50+j0 ohms. Most "autotuners" these days are L-networks, but manual tuners are sometimes T- or Pi- networks. Tuners that feed high impedance open wire line are sometimes parallel resonant tank circuits [Johnson Matchbox series]. Hope this helps. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 4:06 PM, Ross Biggar wrote: > This is probably a very naive question, but where should a powermeter > that measures Forward and reflected power be positioned? Should it be > between the Amplifier and the Tuner, which could safeguard the > amplifier if there was a high SWR, or after the tuner, (ie, between > the tuner and the antenna)? From bhemmis at mac.com Tue May 12 19:49:14 2015 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:49:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555164EC.90303@socal.rr.com> References: <555164C6.8010500@socal.rr.com> <555164EC.90303@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <6BF78591-DEF9-4A11-A505-4BDA3A9CA577@mac.com> I can see it now?"Introducing the new competition grade M3 transceiver from MFJ" They?ll reverse engineer the K3 and sub it out to some Chinese garage operation? I do think this tuner cloning is a low blow and takes MFJ down several notches IMO. I?d be surprised if Elecraft doesn?t have their legal team working on this one. Brian K3USC From k2asp at kanafi.org Tue May 12 20:03:59 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:03:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555294EF.502@kanafi.org> On 5/11/2015 7:41 PM, David Bunte wrote: > Next I want to see how well they behave with a dimmer. Mae sure the LED is "dimmable". Some are, some aren't. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 20:18:43 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:18:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: <10845027.1431476323836.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MFJ followers will tell you that is not the first time they have copied a design. If the design is not patented, there are no copyright violations, and there is no theft of proprietary information, no harm, no foal. Recall exactly the same thing occurred with a certain USB to RS232 converter. The driver was hijacked so the originators of the driver changed the code to detect counterfeit hardware. No harm, no foal. All is fair in love and war. The ethics are another matter. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Hemmis >Sent: May 12, 2015 4:49 PM >To: Phil Wheeler >Cc: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? > > >I can see it now?"Introducing the new competition grade M3 transceiver from MFJ" >They?ll reverse engineer the K3 and sub it out to some Chinese garage operation? >I do think this tuner cloning is a low blow and takes MFJ down several notches IMO. >I?d be surprised if Elecraft doesn?t have their legal team working on this one. > >Brian K3USC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From w1ksz at earthlink.net Tue May 12 20:20:50 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:20:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> Message-ID: <555298E2.1030504@earthlink.net> Aren't you guys through yet with the MFJ bashing ?? There's a Yahoo Group for that, if you insist. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 2015-05-12 5:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I believe the KAT3 tuning algorithms are contained in the K3 >> firmware which Elecraft does not disclose, so the MFJ gizmo must have >> begun with a reverse engineering effort, always a very dicey >> undertaking under the best of conditions. > > Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything > about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 CPU controls both > the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus > and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches. The only > "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. > The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower > production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. > > The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's > schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies > the L/C values and controls exactly. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue May 12 20:24:21 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555225D6.6050709@socal.rr.com> References: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> <555225D6.6050709@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: If you look at the photo of this board, it says very clearly "KAT3" clone. I'll let everyone's imagination run wild on where MFJ got the idea. :-) Ian, KM4IK On May 12, 2015 12:12 PM, "Phil Wheeler" wrote: > It would be interesting to know: 1) How MFJ came up with such and idea, > and decided to act on it; 2) Who designed this product. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/11/15 8:45 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > >> This strikes me as quite bizarre. Do they REALLY think we'd jeopardize >> our radios to save a hundred bucks on duplicate option??? >> >> I could "almost" understand it if it was something that was not available >> from the OEM, or, if it did something the OEM unit couldn't do. >> >> Personally, I think it was a very bad move on MFJ's part to even consider >> it and I am surprised they'd expend the effort to put it into production.. >> >> That said, I have lots of MFJ products and although I've never had any >> major complaints, I do understand they have some QC problems. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From bhemmis at mac.com Tue May 12 20:29:05 2015 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <10845027.1431476323836.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10845027.1431476323836.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5623A3D1-A5DC-4B92-B474-9A9FC2BDFF00@mac.com> Fred, Are you sure about the design not being patented (I have no clue about this stuff) ? Ethics (or lack of) are exactly what I was speaking about? Somehow I don?t see this tuner being a big seller. People who purchase high end products like the K3 aren?t about to skimp on unknown products from manufacturers known for producing generally lower end items. I?m guessing there?s a Chinese shop cranking out K3 clone modules. I?ll have to check eBay. Didn?t someone ask about a TCXO knock-off for the K3 the other day ? Wonder what?s next ? We live in interesting times? 73, Brian USC > On May 12, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: > > > MFJ followers will tell you that is not the first time they have copied a design. If the design is not patented, there are no copyright violations, and there is no theft of proprietary information, no harm, no foal. > > Recall exactly the same thing occurred with a certain USB to RS232 converter. The driver was hijacked so the originators of the driver changed the code to detect counterfeit hardware. No harm, no foal. > > All is fair in love and war. The ethics are another matter. > > 73 > Fred, AE6QL > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Hemmis >> Sent: May 12, 2015 4:49 PM >> To: Phil Wheeler >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? >> >> >> I can see it now?"Introducing the new competition grade M3 transceiver from MFJ" >> They?ll reverse engineer the K3 and sub it out to some Chinese garage operation? >> I do think this tuner cloning is a low blow and takes MFJ down several notches IMO. >> I?d be surprised if Elecraft doesn?t have their legal team working on this one. >> >> Brian K3USC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net > From wes at triconet.org Tue May 12 20:35:35 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <3849D32A4BEF4C80BC23D14477094662@HPE250f> References: <3849D32A4BEF4C80BC23D14477094662@HPE250f> Message-ID: <8C8B2161-78B0-408D-927B-EBEE20E6D1B1@triconet.org> No, I'm not new. I've known Lyle longer than I can remember. I was offering him first crack at telling the story. Don jumped in before he or I could relate it. On May 12, 2015, at 3:52 PM, "Bruce Beford" wrote: > Wes wrote: >> Lyle?? > > You must be fairly "new around here..." > Lyle Johnson, KK7P- Amsat, Elecraft, openHPSDR, etc... DSP > programmer/designer extraordinaire. > Bruce N1RX > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org From rbiggar at ihug.co.nz Tue May 12 20:41:34 2015 From: rbiggar at ihug.co.nz (Ross Biggar) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:41:34 +1200 Subject: [Elecraft] Powermeter Message-ID: <82F064692942461BB5A55E413B86666B@RossPC> Thanks all for the very helpful comments, I have always put the SWR meter after the tuner, but I noticed a comment on the meterbuilder site (or it may have been the AES site, I looked at both units) that the meter must be placed just after the amp, ie between the amp and the Tuner. Unfortunately neither of those companies will export out of the USA. So as an alternative to either Meterbuilder or AES what is a good SWR meter to purchase, bearing in mind I will need up to 3 directional couplers, one for each antenna. Thanks Ross ZL1WN From riese-k3djc at juno.com Tue May 12 20:50:58 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:50:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 2015 17:20:50 -0700 Richard Solomon writes: > Aren't you guys through yet with the MFJ bashing ?? There's a Yahoo > Group > for that, if you insist. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > Many years ago ,, many I bought the MFJ antenna analyzer, has worked flawlessly and other than replacing the battery holder I have no problems with the unit works well for HF and have used it to preset tuners ETC well I did just spray the switches with Deoxit,,, Bob K3DJC From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 20:58:56 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:58:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? Message-ID: <18797167.1431478736677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yes I am absolutely sure. If patented there must be a patent notice. I see none. As far a being a big seller think about it. The next firmware change from Elecraft could contain a clone detector and shut down operation if it sees a clone. The user would need to remove the clone to resume operation. The user would be out whatever they paid for the clone hardware. The mere thought of such an occurrence would reduce the resale value too. Where is the bargain in that? Patents are a sticky wicket that can down a small company in litigation costs. A patent is a license to sue or be sued. Many companies prefer to use copyrights. They last longer and do not require any novelty claims. This doesn't always work either. Recall the first IBM clone computers. IBM's BIOS said 'copyright IBM'. Their OS would look for the 'IBM' when booting so the clone BIOS said 'compatible with IBM'. The OS saw the 'IBM' and booted. Spy vrs Spy. Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Hemmis >Sent: May 12, 2015 5:29 PM >To: Fred Townsend >Cc: Phil Wheeler , Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? > >Fred, Are you sure about the design not being patented (I have no clue about this stuff) ? Ethics (or lack of) are exactly what I was speaking about? >Somehow I don?t see this tuner being a big seller. People who purchase high end products like the K3 aren?t about to skimp on unknown products from manufacturers known for producing generally lower end items. From edauer at law.du.edu Tue May 12 20:50:58 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 00:50:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LEDs and RFI In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks to all who replied to my query about RFI and LEDs. Very helpful, as the group on this reflector always is. I have just one final note, regarding the calculation of energy savings. There is one variable missing in some of the posts on that subject. I think it is not economically rational to calculate aggregate returns on an investment over a life expectancy greater than one?s own. On the one hand that philosophy is sort of liberating; on the other; I am no longer laying down vintage port. Enough OT. Thanks again for all the replies. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 10 >Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 12:39:17 -0700 >From: David Gilbert >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >Message-ID: <555256E5.2090602 at cis-broadband.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > >For starters, you're kind of contradicting yourself there. Factor in >the cost of replacement incandescent bulbs and that alone justifies >their cost since 15 to 20 year lifetimes are not an unreasonable >expectation for LED bulbs in "normal" operation. In my experience, this >holds true even when compared against the less expensive CFL bulbs that >for me don't last much longer than incandescents. > >But it's pretty easy to calculate the energy savings as well. Work up >your own numbers and I can pretty much guarantee that they will prove >your last statement dead wrong. If you get a payback greater than two >years you either did the math wrong or paid too much for your bulbs. > >73, >Dave AB7E > >***************************************** From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue May 12 21:00:56 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:00:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Powermeter Message-ID: <1601911.1431478856562.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Vacation in the US? -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Biggar >Sent: May 12, 2015 5:41 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Powermeter > >Thanks all for the very helpful comments, I have always put the SWR meter after the tuner, but I noticed a comment >on the meterbuilder site (or it may have been the AES site, I looked at both units) that the meter must be placed just after the amp, ie between the amp and the Tuner. >Unfortunately neither of those companies will export out of the USA. >So as an alternative to either Meterbuilder or AES what is a good SWR meter to purchase, bearing in mind I >will need up to 3 directional couplers, one for each antenna. > >Thanks >Ross >ZL1WN >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From bhemmis at mac.com Tue May 12 21:08:00 2015 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:08:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <18797167.1431478736677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18797167.1431478736677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Great points, Fred. Tnx for the clarification. This will be interesting as it plays out :-) 73, Brian USC > On May 12, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: > > > Yes I am absolutely sure. If patented there must be a patent notice. I see none. > As far a being a big seller think about it. The next firmware > change from Elecraft could contain a clone detector and shut down operation if it sees a clone. The user would need to remove the clone to resume operation. The user would be out whatever they paid for the clone hardware. The mere thought of such an occurrence would reduce the resale value too. Where is the bargain in that? > > Patents are a sticky wicket that can down a small company in litigation costs. A patent is a license to sue or be sued. Many companies prefer to use copyrights. They last longer and do not require any novelty claims. This doesn't always work either. Recall the first IBM clone computers. IBM's BIOS said 'copyright IBM'. Their OS would look for the 'IBM' when booting so the clone BIOS said 'compatible with IBM'. The OS saw the 'IBM' and booted. > > Spy vrs Spy. > > Fred, AE6QL > -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Hemmis >> Sent: May 12, 2015 5:29 PM >> To: Fred Townsend >> Cc: Phil Wheeler , Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? >> >> Fred, Are you sure about the design not being patented (I have no clue about this stuff) ? Ethics (or lack of) are exactly what I was speaking about? >> Somehow I don?t see this tuner being a big seller. People who purchase high end products like the K3 aren?t about to skimp on unknown products from manufacturers known for producing generally lower end items. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3usc at arrl.net From w7aqk at cox.net Tue May 12 21:11:45 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:11:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone using a DESpole? Message-ID: <00F41801217B4BF79C4CCC02E43F2045@TDYDell> Hi All, Someone suggested that the Cushcraft R7 was deaf on 20 meters. Not so--unless you had a defective antenna or installation. I will not suggest it is a great antenna, but it certainly isn't deaf! I used (and still do on some occasions) an R7 for years. Much of that was at QRP levels. I've since replaced it with an R8, but I don't notice a substantial difference, although there may well be some added benefit. Like all multiband vertical systems, these antennas do represent something of a compromise. However, you might want to take a look at the extensive commercial vertical antenna analysis that Ward Silver, N0AX, and Steve Morris, K7LXC, put together some years back. A number of verticals were compared, both to each other and to a full sized reference vertical system with a substantial radial system. Of course, in most cases the reference antenna was better, but not in all cases. Furthermore, the R8 (which was one of the verticals compared) had what might be considered to be the best overall performance of the bunch. Some of the other antennas covered 80 meters, which the R8 does not, but otherwise the R8 had relatively strong comparative results. The R7, which was the predecessor to the R8, performs similarly in my view and based on my personal observation. If the definition of "deaf" is based on a comparison to a beam at a decent height, I would tend to agree. Similarly, a dipole at 50 or 60 feet will probably outperform the R7 and R8 as well. I had a dipole at about 40 feet, and it was often a dead heat, with the vertical possibly doing better for DX. Until you get a dipole a good bit higher than 1/4 wave, the take-off angle is pretty high. The R8, if deployed reasonably, will give you a take-off angle of perhaps 20 to 25 degrees or so. However, you get no gain, and maybe a bit of loss vs. a dipole. If you are deploying your R8 (or almost any other vertical system) at ground level, you may not be doing it in the best way. Mine is at about 18 feet off the ground, and works much better than when I had it near ground level. !/4 wave systems at ground level need an extensive radial system and good soil conditions. I hear a lot of ground mounted systems that work well, but I don't hear many that don't have a really good ground system. If you can move that system to your rooftop, you can get a way with a lot fewer radials. Support for this can be found in articles by Rudy Severns, N6LF. The R8 was about 1.4 db down from the reference antenna on 20 meters in the Silver/Morris study. A couple of the other antennas did slightly better, but much worse than the R8 on 15 and 10 meters. In any event, -1.4 db isn't great, but it isn't all that bad either. If that's all you have room for it isn't bad at all! On 40 meters the R8 was about 1/2 S Unit down from the reference antenna, but so were all the others, if not worse. Those antennas that purportedly covered 80 meters were all 1 to 3 S units down from the reference antenna! I'm not "hawking" the R8 (or the R7), but as compromise multiband antennas go, it isn't a bad choice. I have a vertical dipole (Sigma 40XK) that I like even better on 40 meters. It seems to be slightly better than the R8 based on some RBN comparisons I've done. It's a multiband antenna as well, but changing bands is a nightmare, so I leave mine on 40 meters. By the way, you could build your own Sigma 40XK look alike for a fraction of what they want for it commercially! Dave W7AQK From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue May 12 21:27:48 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY contesting with KX3 and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A149D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: I spent quite a bit of time on 20M PSK with my KX3. At 5 watts, as recommended by Elecraft, I didn't have any problems with heat with the standard heat sink. I was working the plentiful eastern European stations from New Hampshire, so my use may not have been as intense as contesting. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/12/15 at 11:18 AM, ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) wrote: >It sounds like for taking the KX3 in the pelican case to a >remote DXped/contesting location.. some extras need to be added >to the kit. First an enhanced heat sink for the KX3 >itself..(doesnt need to be the best one out there if you are >driving the amp, but if you decide to go 5w qrp definitely the >best one you can find. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lists at subich.com Tue May 12 21:38:15 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <555298E2.1030504@earthlink.net> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> <555298E2.1030504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5552AB07.3060904@subich.com> Who is MFJ bashing? I'm merely analyzing their offering ... It's not rocket science and anyone who bothers to look at the *published* schematics for the KAT3 can see how to clone it. If I were Elecraft I'd get an MFJ tuner, see if there is a way to detect the difference between it an an authentic KAT3 and update the K3 firmware to disable the MFJ clone. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-12 8:20 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > Aren't you guys through yet with the MFJ bashing ?? There's a Yahoo Group > for that, if you insist. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> On 2015-05-12 5:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> I believe the KAT3 tuning algorithms are contained in the K3 >>> firmware which Elecraft does not disclose, so the MFJ gizmo must have >>> begun with a reverse engineering effort, always a very dicey >>> undertaking under the best of conditions. >> >> Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything >> about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 CPU controls both >> the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus >> and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches. The only >> "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. >> The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower >> production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. >> >> The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's >> schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies >> the L/C values and controls exactly. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:40:21 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <18797167.1431478736677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Being cloned? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This checkbox had to be on Eric's list of goals especially considering his career prior to Elecraft. ;) congratulations! 73 jeff wk6i On Tuesday, May 12, 2015, Brian Hemmis wrote: > Great points, Fred. Tnx for the clarification. This will be interesting as > it plays out :-) > 73, Brian USC > > On May 12, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Fred Townsend > wrote: > > > > > > Yes I am absolutely sure. If patented there must be a patent notice. I > see none. > > As far a being a big seller think about it. The next firmware > > change from Elecraft could contain a clone detector and shut down > operation if it sees a clone. The user would need to remove the clone to > resume operation. The user would be out whatever they paid for the clone > hardware. The mere thought of such an occurrence would reduce the resale > value too. Where is the bargain in that? > > > > Patents are a sticky wicket that can down a small company in litigation > costs. A patent is a license to sue or be sued. Many companies prefer to > use copyrights. They last longer and do not require any novelty claims. > This doesn't always work either. Recall the first IBM clone computers. > IBM's BIOS said 'copyright IBM'. Their OS would look for the 'IBM' when > booting so the clone BIOS said 'compatible with IBM'. The OS saw the 'IBM' > and booted. > > > > Spy vrs Spy. > > > > Fred, AE6QL > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Brian Hemmis > > >> Sent: May 12, 2015 5:29 PM > >> To: Fred Townsend > > >> Cc: Phil Wheeler >, Elecraft > Reflector > > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one > yet? > >> > >> Fred, Are you sure about the design not being patented (I have no clue > about this stuff) ? Ethics (or lack of) are exactly what I was speaking > about? > >> Somehow I don?t see this tuner being a big seller. People who purchase > high end products like the K3 aren?t about to skimp on unknown products > from manufacturers known for producing generally lower end items. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k3usc at arrl.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From W5OV at W5OV.COM Tue May 12 21:43:19 2015 From: W5OV at W5OV.COM (Bob Naumann) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:43:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018901d08d1e$310c9d70$9325d850$@W5OV.COM> You definitely want to measure the tuned portion of the path - that being between the tuner's input and the output of your transmitter/amplifier. The SWR on the antenna side will not change regardless of how the tuner is set, so what an SWR meter might measure at that point is meaningless to you - you want to be measuring what your transmitter will be "seeing". So, put your SWR meter between the amplifier and the tuner. 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ross Biggar Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 7:07 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] powermeter This is probably a very naive question, but where should a powermeter that measures Forward and reflected power be positioned? Should it be between the Amplifier and the Tuner, which could safeguard the amplifier if there was a high SWR, or after the tuner, (ie, between the tuner and the antenna)? Thanks Ross ZL1WN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5ov at w5ov.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 12 21:50:23 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:50:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <18797167.1431478736677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5552ADDF.9000906@elecraft.com> And with that, let's close the thread at this time, inthe interest of releiving other list readers from single topic overload. See you all at Dayton! 73, Eric List moderator - and Elecraft cheerleader, from time to time. Especially this weekend.. elecraft.com On 5/12/2015 6:40 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: > Being cloned? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This checkbox > had to be on Eric's list of goals especially considering his career prior > to Elecraft. ;) congratulations! 73 jeff wk6i > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 12 22:17:27 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <6824234C-1C2E-4BD7-84F7-E6849DC820F3@elecraft.com> References: <5552AD68.1080509@elecraft.com> <6824234C-1C2E-4BD7-84F7-E6849DC820F3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 22:35:49 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:35:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> Message-ID: <5552B885.1010005@foothill.net> Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but ... my company lawyers always told me that engineering a design which copies or even draws from a copyrighted design [schematic, manual, software, etc] is truly dicey, the dicey-ness of which is often plays out in a courtroom at great expense to everyone except the lawyers. Patent involvement, or even the suggestion of it, cubes the coefficient of dicey-ness. This is clearly something one could do by duplicating the schematics but I wonder, "What were they thinking?" Elecraft will do what they choose to do, I believe their manuals and schematics have a copyright notice, but I won't guess. I have the KAT3, it's a non-issue for me. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything > about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 CPU controls both > the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus > and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches. The only > "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. > The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower > production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. > > The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's > schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies > the L/C values and controls exactly. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9759 - Release Date: 05/12/15 > > From hsherriff at reagan.com Tue May 12 22:36:22 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: Ok.... where are pics of the P3 power monitor? Hi hi Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/12/2015 10:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Hi all, Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From beford at myfairpoint.net Tue May 12 22:38:26 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: <84FA975C20834785880B2E2DE297B70B@HPE250f> Nice tease photo! Bruce N1RX From lists at subich.com Tue May 12 22:46:31 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <5552B885.1010005@foothill.net> References: <1431388693080-7602435.post@n2.nabble.com><55514744.7070908@socal.rr.com><1431400738795-7602457.post@n2.nabble.com> <961261F2-2B7E-4D56-B645-A19CCA285511@gmail.com> <5551F38D.8010205@triconet.org> <555242D9.7040609@foothill.net> <5552642F.7000907@embarqmail.com> <55527469.6040102@foothill.net> <55528BDD.2090404@subich.com> <5552B885.1010005@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5552BB07.7060607@subich.com> On 2015-05-12 10:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but By "dicey" I was referring to difficult from a production viewpoint and nothing questionable about being able to work with the K3. I Certainly agree that cloning the schematic is ethically bankrupt and Elecraft should see that MFJ make some lawyers very wealthy. Unfortunately, the effort to do so would probably divert too many Elecraft resources from the next big thing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-12 10:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but ... my > company lawyers always told me that engineering a design which copies or > even draws from a copyrighted design [schematic, manual, software, etc] > is truly dicey, the dicey-ness of which is often plays out in a > courtroom at great expense to everyone except the lawyers. Patent > involvement, or even the suggestion of it, cubes the coefficient of > dicey-ness. > > This is clearly something one could do by duplicating the schematics but > I wonder, "What were they thinking?" Elecraft will do what they choose > to do, I believe their manuals and schematics have a copyright notice, > but I won't guess. I have the KAT3, it's a non-issue for me. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything >> about the tuning algorithms or controls. The K3 CPU controls both >> the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus >> and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches. The only >> "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic. >> The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower >> production costs and perhaps loser cost parts. >> >> The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's >> schematic. The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies >> the L/C values and controls exactly. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9759 - Release Date: 05/12/15 >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ktalbott at gamewood.net Tue May 12 22:48:38 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:48:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011201d08d27$50cd57e0$f26807a0$@gamewood.net> I'm looking for the dilithium crystal powered, all band, shirt pocket all mode rig for $9.99 with free shipping and $20.00 rebate! Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of hsherriff Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:36 PM To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Ok.... where are pics of the P3 power monitor? Hi hi Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Wayne Burdick Date: 05/12/2015 10:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Hi all, Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From scott.manthe at gmail.com Tue May 12 22:51:17 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:51:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <5552AD68.1080509@elecraft.com> <6824234C-1C2E-4BD7-84F7-E6849DC820F3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5552BC25.8010404@gmail.com> Ah, the long rumored Elecraft K-HTS hand held multimode portable. 73, Scott, N9AA On 5/12/15 10:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. > > 73, > > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 12 22:58:04 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:58:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <011201d08d27$50cd57e0$f26807a0$@gamewood.net> References: <011201d08d27$50cd57e0$f26807a0$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <5552BDBC.1000709@foothill.net> Ken, shipboard emergency receivers, even in the 50's, were unpowered crystal detectors. Galena, not Dilithium, but that's why 500 Kcs and other MF frequencies were all MCW. My dilithium poly KX1 battery caught fire while I was operating. No longer fond of that stuff. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/12/2015 7:48 PM, Kenneth Talbott wrote: > I'm looking for the dilithium crystal powered, all band, shirt pocket all > mode rig for $9.99 with free shipping and $20.00 rebate! > > Ken - ke4rg From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue May 12 23:10:14 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 06:10:14 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: Wait... "...s transceiver" ? Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 13, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. > > 73, > > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From glen.torr at gmail.com Tue May 12 23:19:27 2015 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:19:27 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guess? K3S, upgrade kit for Ks... Glen VK1FB On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Wait... > "...s transceiver" ? > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > > > On May 13, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit > Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. > > > > 73, > > > > Wayne, N6KR > > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to glen.torr at gmail.com > From ve2pid at videotron.ca Tue May 12 23:48:25 2015 From: ve2pid at videotron.ca (Pierre) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Message-ID: Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a picture which don't look to me as an existing product Any clue ;-) 73 de VE2PID From mda at n1en.org Wed May 13 00:37:06 2015 From: mda at n1en.org (Michael Adams) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 04:37:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Message-ID: Is Elecraft adopting an Apple-style model numbering scheme? (After iPhone 3, there was 3S....) Michael / N1EN -------- Original message -------- From: Pierre Date: 2015/05/12 23:49 (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a picture which don't look to me as an existing product Any clue ;-) 73 de VE2PID ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mda at n1en.org From n5ia at zia-connection.com Wed May 13 00:39:13 2015 From: n5ia at zia-connection.com (Milt -- N5IA) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 21:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56BB918B3835439B983FADAE1961BC22@MiltVostro2010> It is interesting that the date in the window is for the upcoming Thursday, perhaps indicating the 'birth' date for SURPRISE. 73, and good luck to all of you attending Dayton. de Milt, N5IA =================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Pierre Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 8:48 PM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a picture which don't look to me as an existing product Any clue ;-) 73 de VE2PID From k1whs at metrocast.net Wed May 13 00:49:41 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 04:49:41 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net><27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Gerald That battery bank must weigh a lot! Mine is probably 340 lbs. I'll bet a 900 amp bank is over 600 lbs. Well, I wanted 12 volts so I could run all the hamster type 12 volt gear off the batteries. (K3, P3, etc) My charge controller will do 12, 24 or 48 volts if I tell it to. I also have 24 volts available at the shack for relays and whatever else might show up on 24 VDC, but I just have two 12 volt systems that I bridge together. My eventual plan is to have a 48 volt battery buss and run some homebrew LDMOS or straight FET amplifiers directly off the 48 volts. My hamshack is quite extensive with all sorts of gear for all the VHF bands, and I am working on solid state amps for most of the bands. Right now I have 1200 watts on 50, 1000 watts on 222 MHz, 600 watts on 144, 300 watts on 432, and 175 watts on 1296. The bands above 1.2 GHz are all solid state too. My 2.3 GHz amp is a 500 watt output beast that runs on 24 VDC. I am scared to hook it up! I have a few years under my belt on the battery bank. So far it is working great, but I am careful to not discharge it down too much. Deep discharges kill batteries. The worst it ever got was to 72% of full charge. I also re charge the battery bank quickly. I never leave it uncharged ever. I use a Bogart Engineering battery monitor to evaluate battery status. With the 12 vs 24 volts, are you referring to the lifetime of the batteries, or the amount of discharge power you can extract from the system? I am saving my pennies to get a 48 volt solar buss running here. I have had such great results with the 12 volt system and want to expand it to run more bands in the future. Runnings amps directly off those batteries will be quite efficient too. The whole reason for the solar power is that my shack is quite remote from my house with no AC power hookup there. I need to make my own juice. Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Manthey To: Dave Olean Cc: Marc Veeneman ; Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft List Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Dave I have a question for you. I too run off of solar when I am in my RV. I have a 900 amp hour battery bank. Using a 12v pure sine wave inverter. I took the battery bank and divided it to a 450 amp hour 24 volt system and it seems to last longer. Have you concidered this or even going to a 48 volt system? Just curious. Thanks Gerald. On May 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "Dave Olean" wrote: I am using my KPA500 while running on batteries. Sounds weird but true. The KPA500 is quite efficient although it is always drawing some current even when turned off. I can see that slight drain on my DC ammeters. In receive, there is little current drain. Of course, when I start sending CW I see the ammeter go up to about 70 amps. (Not a peak reading ammeter either!). My battery bank is a pair of 275 AH solar AGM type 12 volt batteries. The charging circuit is a couple of 220 watt solar panels. I use a pure sine wave inverter that is pretty noiseless. (Xantrex Pro Sine 1800 W) During the day when the Sun is out, the batteries charge up during the receive cycle, so I don't deplete the batteries at all. At night I can go for many hours and have never gotten close to even a 50% discharge. In short, the K3/KPA500 combo is very efficient. I could not do that with my big tube amps! The filaments and blowers would kill the batteries before I even got the HV turned on! Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Veeneman" To: "Wayne Burdick" Cc: "Elecraft List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power plants as the bridge. -- Marc On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably eliminate the need for any new power plants. Even if we all started using KPA500s. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. -- Marc W8SDG _ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:54:15 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:54:15 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmmmm That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting and suuround is different. Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton before you guys left to party.....:-) Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a > picture which don't look to me as an existing product > Any clue ;-) > > 73 de VE2PID > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From jwpetrov at gmail.com Wed May 13 00:55:57 2015 From: jwpetrov at gmail.com (Jed Petrovich) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:55:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, looking carefully at the photo, I noticed a different face plate and a molded "arrow" above the VFO knob. Thanks for the "tease" Elecraft! Jed AD7KG On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Glen Torr wrote: > Guess? > > K3S, upgrade kit for Ks... > > Glen VK1FB > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal > wrote: > > > Wait... > > "...s transceiver" ? > > > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit > > Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > Wayne, N6KR > > > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to glen.torr at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jwpetrov at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 01:08:36 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:08:36 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah......sumthin fishy about it huh....!!!!! Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 13/05/2015 2:57 PM, "Jed Petrovich" wrote: > Well, looking carefully at the photo, I noticed a different face plate and > a molded "arrow" above the VFO knob. > > Thanks for the "tease" Elecraft! > > Jed > AD7KG > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Glen Torr wrote: > > > Guess? > > > > K3S, upgrade kit for Ks... > > > > Glen VK1FB > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal > > wrote: > > > > > Wait... > > > "...s transceiver" ? > > > > > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > > > > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit > > > Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. > > > > > > > > 73, > > > > > > > > Wayne, N6KR > > > > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to glen.torr at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jwpetrov at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From kc6cnn at gmail.com Wed May 13 01:11:30 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 00:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Awesome Dave. I run two systems one a 12 and one a 24 volt. The 12 volt runs the lights and now ham gear. The 24 volt runs the Air Conditioner. I also have wind turbine connected. I use two morning star mppt controllers and outback inverter/charger. I also have a small quiet generator converted to propane to send power like the grid to the outback systems. Will be going to a very Rare grid square this summer to operate. Bagdad beach / US Border. So going to break out the kill-a-watt meter and make sure I have enough to run it out there. Thanks for the reply Gerald KC6CNN On May 12, 2015 11:49 PM, "Dave Olean" wrote: > Hi Gerald > That battery bank must weigh a lot! Mine is probably 340 lbs. I'll bet a > 900 amp bank is over 600 lbs. Well, I wanted 12 volts so I could run all > the hamster type 12 volt gear off the batteries. (K3, P3, etc) My charge > controller will do 12, 24 or 48 volts if I tell it to. I also have 24 > volts available at the shack for relays and whatever else might show up on > 24 VDC, but I just have two 12 volt systems that I bridge together. My > eventual plan is to have a 48 volt battery buss and run some homebrew LDMOS > or straight FET amplifiers directly off the 48 volts. My hamshack is quite > extensive with all sorts of gear for all the VHF bands, and I am working on > solid state amps for most of the bands. Right now I have 1200 watts on 50, > 1000 watts on 222 MHz, 600 watts on 144, 300 watts on 432, and 175 watts on > 1296. The bands above 1.2 GHz are all solid state too. My 2.3 GHz amp is a > 500 watt output beast that runs on 24 VDC. I am scared to hook it up! > I have a few years under my belt on the battery bank. So far it is > working great, but I am careful to not discharge it down too much. Deep > discharges kill batteries. The worst it ever got was to 72% of full charge. > I also re charge the battery bank quickly. I never leave it uncharged ever. > I use a Bogart Engineering battery monitor to evaluate battery status. > With the 12 vs 24 volts, are you referring to the lifetime of the > batteries, or the amount of discharge power you can extract from the > system? > I am saving my pennies to get a 48 volt solar buss running here. I > have had such great results with the 12 volt system and want to expand it > to run more bands in the future. Runnings amps directly off those batteries > will be quite efficient too. The whole reason for the solar power is that > my shack is quite remote from my house with no AC power hookup there. I > need to make my own juice. > > Dave K1WHS > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gerald Manthey > *To:* Dave Olean > *Cc:* Marc Veeneman ; Wayne Burdick > ; Elecraft List > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:54 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs > > Dave > I have a question for you. > I too run off of solar when I am in my RV. I have a 900 amp hour battery > bank. Using a 12v pure sine wave inverter. I took the battery bank and > divided it to a 450 amp hour 24 volt system and it seems to last longer. > Have you concidered this or even going to a 48 volt system? > Just curious. > Thanks > Gerald. > On May 12, 2015 1:44 PM, "Dave Olean" wrote: > >> I am using my KPA500 while running on batteries. Sounds weird but true. >> The KPA500 is quite efficient although it is always drawing some current >> even when turned off. I can see that slight drain on my DC ammeters. In >> receive, there is little current drain. Of course, when I start sending CW >> I see the ammeter go up to about 70 amps. (Not a peak reading ammeter >> either!). My battery bank is a pair of 275 AH solar AGM type 12 volt >> batteries. The charging circuit is a couple of 220 watt solar panels. I use >> a pure sine wave inverter that is pretty noiseless. (Xantrex Pro Sine 1800 >> W) During the day when the Sun is out, the batteries charge up during the >> receive cycle, so I don't deplete the batteries at all. At night I can go >> for many hours and have never gotten close to even a 50% discharge. In >> short, the K3/KPA500 combo is very efficient. I could not do that with my >> big tube amps! The filaments and blowers would kill the batteries before I >> even got the HV turned on! >> >> Dave K1WHS >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Veeneman" >> To: "Wayne Burdick" >> Cc: "Elecraft List" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LED bulbs >> >> >> Not everyone can turn a QRP LED discussion into a KPA500 pitch with power >>> plants as the bridge. >>> -- >>> Marc >>> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> >>>> LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) >>>> >>>> If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably >>>> eliminate the need for any new power plants. >>>> >>>> Even if we all started using KPA500s. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >>>>> I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical >>>>> demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. >>>>> -- >>>>> Marc W8SDG >>>>> >>>>> _ >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> > From kc6cnn at gmail.com Wed May 13 01:16:04 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 00:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver Any one know? On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > Hmmmmm > > That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting > and suuround is different. > > Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton > before you guys left to party.....:-) > > Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > > > Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a > > picture which don't look to me as an existing product > > Any clue ;-) > > > > 73 de VE2PID > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 01:42:36 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:42:36 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Special Like all of us! TIC of course....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 13/05/2015 3:16 PM, "Gerald Manthey" wrote: > It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver > Any one know? > On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > >> Hmmmmm >> >> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting >> and suuround is different. >> >> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton >> before you guys left to party.....:-) >> >> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: >> >> > Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a >> > picture which don't look to me as an existing product >> > Any clue ;-) >> > >> > 73 de VE2PID >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> > From roger at monitorsensors.com Wed May 13 02:21:38 2015 From: roger at monitorsensors.com (Roger Crofts) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:21:38 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter Failure Message-ID: I made a rare QSO on 630 metres the other day. My W2 wattmeter was in-line between the 630m transmitter and the 630m tuner. I was not using the W2, because my 630m transmitter has its own internal SWR meter. When I returned to normal HF operation, I noticed the W2 was not working. I discovered all four unity gain op-amps in the W2 directional coupler were destroyed. I replaced the op-amps and the W2 operated normally again. The W2 wattmeter is not intended to operate below 1.8 MHz, but it does have a 2KW rating, so one could be forgiven for assuming it could handle 50 watts at 475 KHz. Next time I operate on 630 metres, I will by-pass the W2. Roger, VK4YB From fptownsend at earthlink.net Wed May 13 02:36:14 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:36:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Message-ID: <30030703.1431498975402.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Alan the power circuit on the K3 is very robust and is protected from over voltage. There is a 15 volt zener that should trip a self resetting 6A fuse. It may be that zener over heated and shorted but even so there should not be smoke. I agree your psu should be set so it can not exceed 14.8 volts. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: G4GNX >Sent: May 11, 2015 3:36 AM >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > >I'm going to bring this up at the next discussion evening. We should be able >to disable the voltage control pot, or replace it with a fixed resistor. > >The guy in question is actually very knowledgeable, so it's just bad luck >this time. Even if we'd 'fixed' the PSU, it may have developed the fault >anyway. > >73, > >Alan. G4GNX > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Wood >Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 9:22 PM >To: 'G4GNX' >Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > >after the fact this is clear but we don't allow variable voltage power >supplies at club >too many fumble fingers with membership over 100 and no telling who shows up >at Field Day!! > >73 W5AJ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX >Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 1:43 PM >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > >Following a mishap with a PSU, our local club's K3 is in need of repair and >I don't want anything similar to happen to mine. > >The PSU is a linear device with a voltage control potentiometer and a meter. >The operator had an issue with the PSU which was showing an output of 15 >volts; the K3 was connected and working. He switched off the PSU to >'exercise' the potentiometer and unfortunately turned it back on with the K3 >still connected and switched on. The reading was still 15 volts, so he >touched the potentiometer again and the K3 started to emit smoke and died. >At this time, we're assuming that the PSU grossly over-volted. > >My question: is the power switch on the K3 mechanical? If it is, then my >fears will not be realized because I ALWAYS turn on my PSU AND check the >output voltage on its meter before turning on the K3. > >It will be interesting to find out what died in the K3. I hope it's not too >expensive. > >73, > >Alan. G4GNX >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 13 02:57:06 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:57:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED bulbs In-Reply-To: <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> References: <2D4FAFC5-C898-4540-97C4-180258EEE355@comcast.net> <27844209-89F1-4DF7-9360-719E2E6FD806@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1431500226.14866.101.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Wayne, A word of warning... You will find some of the current crop of LED floods sold by Walmart, generate a LOT of RFI in the 14-21 MHz range... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 07:33 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > LED bulbs are optical QRP, so not O.T. :) > > IKEA now has 60-W bulbs for about $4.50 each. This is an amazing price, considering that Home Depot was leading the charge and is still at nearly $7. We're using almost all LED at our house now, except for the candelabra type, and even those are rapidly coming down. > > I also heard from a couple of local retailers that they're replacing their industrial-size florescent ceiling tubes with LEDs. He pointed out the difference in color: The LEDs were a pleasant pure white, while the fluorescents were the usual "cold" variation (e.g., grayish blueish). > > I don't think LED bulbs have a downside, RFI or otherwise. The most important thing is their reduction in energy consumption -- about 1/6th that of incandescents. If everyone swapped in LEDs over the next few years, we'd probably eliminate the need for any new power plants. > > Even if we all started using KPA500s. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On May 12, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > > > I've relamped both of our homes with a variety of brands of LED bulbs. Some are very noisy, some are reasonably quiet. I couldn't guess ahead of time which would be noisy, so I bought a cheap transistor radio (Sony ICF=SS10MK2) to watch for the worst offenders. After installation I just walk around with the radio held near the bulbs. They all make noise but some are horrid. > > > > However, the only ones I can't live with are the undercounter LED strips powered by WAC 24 volt power packs. Not only are those things, the power packs, unusually expensive, I am surprised that the FCC allows their sale in the U.S. They obliterate the 160 and 80 meter bands on my KX3 and K3. Even after applying toroids to both the AC source side and the DC output side, they still manage to make both the strip lights and the entire house wiring system into giant RFI radiators. We have them in the laundry room and kitchen and there's no low band operating possible while those miserable things are switched on. > > > > I will say that 99 out of 100 LED bulbs emit less RFI than their CFL counterparts. And I've got LEDs here from Lowes, Home Depot, Amazon.com and some directly from Banggood's China warehouses. > > > > As to heat loss, the higher lumen bulbs do get 'way to hot to handle without a cool down period. I too wonder just how efficient they can be. But those with wattage requirements below 11 watts don't get so blazingly hot. The 45 watters get so hot that I'm concerned they are a fire hazard. None of them have anything resembling a UL label and they were all direct China imports. > > > > I seem to be rambling but wanted to share my experience. I will say it's wonderful not to be replacing burned out bulbs, a former weekly experience. > > > > I don't think I've saved much money, though. The reduced electrical demand won't justify the high cost of the modern day wonder -- LED lighting. > > -- > > Marc W8SDG > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed May 13 02:59:08 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 23:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lamps and HF RFI? In-Reply-To: <555294EF.502@kanafi.org> References: <555294EF.502@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <5552F63C.2060002@cis-broadband.com> Even those that are spec'd as "dimmable" sometimes have disclaimers saying that they may not be compatible with all dimmers. I've seen "dimmable" bulbs sit there and blink when used with some dimmers. In my opinion, there is a need for the lighting industry to resolve this, because right now there is no real guarantee of compatibility between LED/CFL power supplies and dimmers ... and nobody has a clue whether they will work together or not. At best, the power supplies in the dimmable LEDs probably won't burn out when hammered by the chopped waveform of a typical dimmer, but that doesn't mean they will smoothly dim or won't turn into a strobe light. 73, Dave AB7E On 5/12/2015 5:03 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 5/11/2015 7:41 PM, David Bunte wrote: > >> Next I want to see how well they behave with a dimmer. > Mae sure the LED is "dimmable". Some are, some aren't. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Wed May 13 03:00:22 2015 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:00:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Ke-Klonk !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5552F686.4020602@david-woolley.me.uk> Sounds like normal behaviour, i.e. the relays reconfiguring the internal signal paths. The one exception is CW keying one. No relays should trip for key up and down. Make sure that you can recognize the normal relay clicks so that you can tell if any of the other sounds are not normal. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 12/05/15 20:09, f5vhp at netcourrier.com wrote: > I recently acquired K2 #0957 (f/w 2.02 , 1.02) > ATU, SSB module, NB module, 160m and Audio Filter modules are fitted. > It makes a loud "Ke-Klonk" at switch on and whenever any of the following buttons are used: > Band =/- > Ant 1/2, TUNE > NB, LEVEL > MODE > Pre / Att > XFil > and, worst of all each time cw transmission is dropped, making semi or full break-in impossible. > The Audio gain control makes no difference. > > It makes the same Ke-Klonk when scrolling the menu between "OPT" and "ANT", "RIT" and "ACC" and at every step through the "ANT" sub menu. > Removing the ATU made no difference. > So I'm wondering where to look next ? From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed May 13 03:22:09 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 03:22:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the transceiver model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? K4S? KISS? The VFO knob is not like the VFO knob I have with my serial 1239. Along with the obvious notch in the new face plate, note the graduated scale built into the knob. Makes you wonder what is outside the picture not being shown. The game is afoot. 73, Guy On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jed Petrovich wrote: > Well, looking carefully at the photo, I noticed a different face plate and > a molded "arrow" above the VFO knob. > > Thanks for the "tease" Elecraft! > > Jed > AD7KG > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 03:34:51 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:34:51 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guy I notice Eric and company are not posting. Probably rolling on the floor laughing? I gotta admit i am sucked in and aready looking for stuff to offload in preparation for another "gotta have me one of them" feelings.....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 13/05/2015 5:23 PM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face > plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the transceiver > model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? > K4S? KISS? > > The VFO knob is not like the VFO knob I have with my serial 1239. Along > with the obvious notch in the new face plate, note the graduated scale > built into the knob. > > Makes you wonder what is outside the picture not being shown. The game is > afoot. > > 73, Guy > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jed Petrovich > wrote: > > > Well, looking carefully at the photo, I noticed a different face plate > and > > a molded "arrow" above the VFO knob. > > > > Thanks for the "tease" Elecraft! > > > > Jed > > AD7KG > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From w7bv at comcast.net Wed May 13 06:09:05 2015 From: w7bv at comcast.net (Robert S. McCuskey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 03:09:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Phonema KSP3 Speakers Message-ID: <000201d08d64$d902a6a0$8b07f3e0$@comcast.net> The Phonema KSP3 Speakers (www.phonemaspeakers.com ) are well made, match the K3 in color and height, and have excellent sound. They are made in Barcelona, Spain by EA3OW who responded immediately to my request for pricing and my subsequent order and related correspondence. I purchased a pair of the speakers and had the speakers shipped via the Spanish Postal Service which does not require provision of one's social security or passport number as do some shippers in Europe. In addition, the Spanish Postal Service provides a tracking number via the US Postal Service. Delivery took almost two weeks. I have been very pleased with the quality and volume of sound when listening to cw, ssb, or am signals. . My only criticism is that the speakers come with a fixed wire bail that replaces the front feet if one wishes to have the speakers inclined along with the K3. A folding bail similar to that used on the K3 and P3 would be a good improvement and provide better flexibility. Bob McCuskey, W7BV From mhvnmn at gmail.com Wed May 13 06:24:43 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 06:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: S for Silver screws. Mine are the old model black ones. Marc W8SDG > On May 12, 2015, at 11:19 PM, Glen Torr wrote: > > Guess? > > K3S, upgrade kit for Ks... > > Glen VK1FB > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > >> Wait... >> "...s transceiver" ? >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >>> On May 13, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Looking forward to the Dayton Hamvention this weekend. Please visit >> Elecraft at booths (181-184) and check out our latest products. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Wayne, N6KR >>> Eric, WA6HHQ >>> >>> >>> http://www.elecraft.com/images/new3.jpg >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to glen.torr at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Wed May 13 06:53:32 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 03:53:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> Guy Olinger K2AV wrote > Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face > plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the transceiver > model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? > K4S? I doubt it's K4S since the image is titled "new3.jpg" 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Update-tp7602571p7602600.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From beford at myfairpoint.net Wed May 13 06:55:04 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 06:55:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: "S for Silver screws. Mine are the old model black ones." No. "S" is for suspense. savor it. 8-) "visions of sugar plums danced in their heads..." 73 all, and pleasant dreams. Bruce N1RX From neilz at techie.com Wed May 13 07:28:03 2015 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:28:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55533543.8020304@techie.com> That could also mean that it was the 3rd picture taken of the 'new' product. Hopefully they will announce on the website the same time as they do at Dayton. Of course, the website could use a revamp also. Hey Wayne, Eric ... if your thinking about redoing the website, send me an email ... I'm very reasonable, I'll barter for product :) Neil Z KN3ILZ On 05/13/15 06:53 am, Bill W4ZV wrote: > Guy Olinger K2AV wrote >> Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face >> plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the transceiver >> model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? >> K4S? > I doubt it's K4S since the image is titled "new3.jpg" > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Update-tp7602571p7602600.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Wed May 13 07:29:21 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:29:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. In-Reply-To: <30030703.1431498975402.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30030703.1431498975402.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DD740C1E0BC470C8ADE94202931FE41@Paramount> Forgive me Fred, but so far I've not been able to locate those components on the schematics. Do you know which page they're on? It's also possible that the zener had failed previously, so this time it didn't cause the fuse to trip. On the other hand, what sort of fuse is it, mechanical, thermal or electronic? As we all known, chips are the fastest fuse on multiple legs and given a gross voltage overload, I doubt that a mechanical or thermal fuse would be fast enough. I'd prefer to see a full-blown crowbar circuit at the start of the power circuit and of course the same in the PSU although I do admit to having defeated a crowbar once. I'd built a 12V 10A variable PSU which would go up to 15V before the crowbar tripped in and the regulator then saw the overload and shut the output down. For some reason I had connected the PSU across a car battery and then absent mindedly increased the PSU voltage past 15V at which point the crowbar shorted the output, but of course car batteries don't care about that, so considerable current hit the crowbar and destroyed it! No other damage, so I replaced the thyristor and learned from the experience. :-) 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Fred Townsend Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:36 AM To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Alan the power circuit on the K3 is very robust and is protected from over voltage. There is a 15 volt zener that should trip a self resetting 6A fuse. It may be that zener over heated and shorted but even so there should not be smoke. I agree your psu should be set so it can not exceed 14.8 volts. 73 Fred, AE6QL From dmb at lightstream.net Wed May 13 07:36:48 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Also note the 2-layer depth of the bezel. The clear bezel rests atop what appears to be a black plastic overlay that probably contains the new "...S " lettering. Maybe the K3S(ynth) package upgrade? 73, Dale WA8SRA 73, Dale > Guy Olinger K2AV wrote >> Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face >> plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the >> transceiver >> model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? >> K4S? > > I doubt it's K4S since the image is titled "new3.jpg" > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > From beford at myfairpoint.net Wed May 13 07:44:42 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Message-ID: <00D280595AD847D0A2C0FA0EFA9AD116@HPE250f> > Forgive me Fred, but so far I've not been able to locate those components on > the schematics. Do you know which page they're on? The 12V power in circuitry that Fred referred to is on sheet 3 of 4 or the K3 RF board, lower right quadrant. GL, Bruce N1RX From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:19:28 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:19:28 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: I don't care....i just want one. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 13/05/2015 9:34 PM, "dmb at lightstream.net" wrote: > Also note the 2-layer depth of the bezel. The clear bezel rests atop what > appears to be a black plastic overlay that probably contains the new "...S > " lettering. Maybe the K3S(ynth) package upgrade? > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > 73, Dale > > Guy Olinger K2AV wrote > >> Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face > >> plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the > >> transceiver > >> model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? > >> K4S? > > > > I doubt it's K4S since the image is titled "new3.jpg" > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From droese at necg.de Wed May 13 08:23:21 2015 From: droese at necg.de (droese at necg.de) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:23:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <992031974.58669.1431519801593.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbsltgw06.schlund.de> Rather looks like a ruggedized radio ... It would be time for a dedicated satellite-capable multiband VHF/UHF radio without any birdies but I fear the market is not big enough for that. 73, Olli - DH8BQA > "dmb at lightstream.net" hat am 13. Mai 2015 um 13:36 geschrieben: > > > Also note the 2-layer depth of the bezel. The clear bezel rests atop what > appears to be a black plastic overlay that probably contains the new "...S > " lettering. Maybe the K3S(ynth) package upgrade? > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > 73, Dale > > Guy Olinger K2AV wrote > >> Also notice that the character to the left of "transceiver" on the face > >> plate is an "S" and not a "3". They have purposely sliced the > >> transceiver > >> model in the photo to leave only the rightmost character showing. "K3S"? > >> K4S? > > > > I doubt it's K4S since the image is titled "new3.jpg" > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From nf4l at comcast.net Wed May 13 09:20:09 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> The VFO surround is different also. DANG! Just when I was almost almost comfortable with the K3..... 73, Mike NF4L > On May 13, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver > Any one know? > On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > >> Hmmmmm >> >> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting >> and suuround is different. >> >> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton >> before you guys left to party.....:-) >> >> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: >> >>> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a >>> picture which don't look to me as an existing product >>> Any clue ;-) >>> >>> 73 de VE2PID >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 13 09:20:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm still waiting for the teaser shots of the P3 TX Monitor From: "dmb at lightstream.net" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: Bill W4ZV Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Also note the 2-layer depth of the bezel. The clear bezel rests atop what appears to be a black plastic overlay that probably contains the new "...S " lettering. Maybe the K3S(ynth) package upgrade? 73, Dale WA8SRA From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Wed May 13 09:29:33 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:29:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. In-Reply-To: <00D280595AD847D0A2C0FA0EFA9AD116@HPE250f> References: <00D280595AD847D0A2C0FA0EFA9AD116@HPE250f> Message-ID: <3D93BA7950B14B3EA0471DD9BC9E9099@Paramount> Thanks Bruce. I was expecting it to be on the sheet marked "Power Supply" and skipped past the RF boards. I have it now. :-) It looks as if either the zener or the fuse or both have failed, so the rest of the K3 didn't get protected. What caused the initial failure may never be known. As for the smoke, all we can say is "it didn't oughta done that"! This evening's club meeting may well reveal all. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Beford Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:44 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > Forgive me Fred, but so far I've not been able to locate those components on > the schematics. Do you know which page they're on? The 12V power in circuitry that Fred referred to is on sheet 3 of 4 or the K3 RF board, lower right quadrant. GL, Bruce N1RX From n4uc at hotmail.com Wed May 13 09:37:34 2015 From: n4uc at hotmail.com (art N4UC) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> References: , , , <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> Message-ID: ...or even worse, "Dang when I just took delivery of my new K3 last week"! If I had only known, right? > From: nf4l at comcast.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:20:09 -0400 > To: kc6cnn at gmail.com > CC: ve2pid at videotron.ca; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming > > The VFO surround is different also. DANG! Just when I was almost almost comfortable with the K3..... > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > > It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver > > Any one know? > > On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > > > >> Hmmmmm > >> > >> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting > >> and suuround is different. > >> > >> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton > >> before you guys left to party.....:-) > >> > >> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) > >> > >> Gary > >> Vk1ZZ > >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > >> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > >> > >>> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a > >>> picture which don't look to me as an existing product > >>> Any clue ;-) > >>> > >>> 73 de VE2PID > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4uc at hotmail.com From ajzadiraka at gmail.com Wed May 13 09:39:54 2015 From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:39:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dang! Had been thinking of ordering a K3 at Dayton. Now I will have to wait until the ??S is available. Sure hope it ships before the ARRL Bicentennial QSO Party. zeke AB8OU *Allan Zadiraka* *AJ ZA**DIRAKA LLC* 4110 State Rd Akron, OH 44319 Work: 234-738-4578 Cell: 330.760.4569 Fax: 330.644.1839 Join us at the *58th Annual ISA POWID Symposium*, June 7-11, 2015 in Kansas City http://www.isa.org/powersymp From w1rg at hotmail.com Wed May 13 09:43:33 2015 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:43:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Dayton_2015_-_Something_new_coming?= Message-ID: Amen!! I got mine a month ago!! (grump)? 73 Gil, W1RG From: art N4UC Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?May? ?13?, ?2015 ?9?:?38? ?AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ...or even worse, "Dang when I just took delivery of my new K3 last week"! If I had only known, right? > From: nf4l at comcast.net > Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:20:09 -0400 > To: kc6cnn at gmail.com > CC: ve2pid at videotron.ca; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming > > The VFO surround is different also. DANG! Just when I was almost almost comfortable with the K3..... > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > > It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver > > Any one know? > > On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > > > >> Hmmmmm > >> > >> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting > >> and suuround is different. > >> > >> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton > >> before you guys left to party.....:-) > >> > >> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) > >> > >> Gary > >> Vk1ZZ > >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > >> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > >> > >>> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a > >>> picture which don't look to me as an existing product > >>> Any clue ;-) > >>> > >>> 73 de VE2PID > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4uc at hotmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Wed May 13 09:45:01 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:45:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> References: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> It *might* be a replacement front panel with upgraded DSP IF, Audio and more CPU horsepower. Pure speculation of course. 73 Brendan EI6IZ On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 09:20 -0400, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > The VFO surround is different also. DANG! Just when I was almost almost comfortable with the K3..... > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > > On May 13, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > > It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver > > Any one know? > > On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > > > >> Hmmmmm > >> > >> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting > >> and suuround is different. > >> > >> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton > >> before you guys left to party.....:-) > >> > >> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) > >> > >> Gary > >> Vk1ZZ > >> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > >> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > >> > >>> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a > >>> picture which don't look to me as an existing product > >>> Any clue ;-) > >>> > >>> 73 de VE2PID > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From k8cxm at hotmail.com Wed May 13 09:48:02 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:48:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and digital modes Message-ID: I finally upgraded my little KX1 to a new KX3. LOVE the KX3! Intent is to use it mainly when I travel, but also as a nice QRP addition to the shack. My K3/KPA500 combo is still my main shack rig. One of the things I want to try is using the KX3 with is low power digital modes, like WSPR and maybe JT65. I have been trying to hook things up to my radio laptop and so far, I have managed to get half way: JT65 decodes signals perfectly, so that side is working OK. The problem is when I plug the transmit side into the KX3 and the laptop output (speakers), the KX3 immediately flips into TX mode (little red light comes on). No RF is being sent, there are NO tones being generated from the laptop. It's like PTT is activated. Doesn't matter if JT65 is running or not, the plug goes into the laptop and the TX light goes on. I am using the supplied 'green' cable from the KX3 cable packet. It is a stereo cable. The radio is set to VOX on. If either cable end is removed, the TX light goes out. What have I missed? BTW, same results with two different laptops. Thanks! Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999 There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. From jvandrey at gmail.com Wed May 13 09:50:49 2015 From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: OK ...I'll take a stab at it... K3S...the new Software Defined Radio version of the K3 with I/Q outputs for Rx with a soundcard and additional capabilities for computer control if desired. Jobst AC0LP From wes at triconet.org Wed May 13 09:57:12 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 06:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55535838.6000503@triconet.org> Maybe a Kenwood scheme. They use the Kenwood serial protocol after all. On 5/12/2015 9:37 PM, Michael Adams wrote: > Is Elecraft adopting an Apple-style model numbering scheme? > > (After iPhone 3, there was 3S....) > > Michael / N1EN > > > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed May 13 10:00:59 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:00:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: References: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> <555225D6.6050709@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1431525659489-7602618.post@n2.nabble.com> I don't think it's a big deal. The advertising and encouragement to buy a K3 to put this "bargain" tuner into, may well make up for the lost margin on the Elecraft tuner board. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MFJ-s-new-Internal-K3-Tuner-anyone-tried-one-yet-tp7602440p7602618.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ny9h at arrl.net Wed May 13 10:23:20 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> References: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> Message-ID: mobile mobile ps From ny9h at arrl.net Wed May 13 10:24:36 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Message-ID: mobile mobile pse... the 706 icom sold a zillion units,,,,, Expect to find out tomorrow as Eric speaks at the QRP FDIM.... From wes at triconet.org Wed May 13 10:23:35 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> References: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55535E67.9050806@triconet.org> Somewhere in one of these threads I saw mention of a video.. I fail to see a link. From w4rks73 at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:11:05 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:11:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching Message-ID: A fused crowbar circuit is so easy to build and such great protection, it should be in every 12 volt (13.8) supply lead. I use one built into a plastic "project box" with Power Poles on each end. Even though many things (including the K3) have a built-in crowbar, the redundancy doesn't hurt and helps me sleep better. :-) Jim - W4RKS From knowkode at verizon.net Wed May 13 11:12:04 2015 From: knowkode at verizon.net (Jim Hoge) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <898086066.586145.1431529924926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> You're all wrong. It says ERIC'S TRANSCEIVER. Wayne has one too. When you own the company, you get certain little perks. 73 all,Jim W5QM On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:52 AM, Jobst Vandrey wrote: OK ...I'll take a stab at it... K3S...the new Software Defined Radio version of the K3 with I/Q outputs for Rx with a soundcard and additional capabilities for computer control if desired. Jobst AC0LP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to knowkode at verizon.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 13 11:14:53 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gene via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: My guess. An upgrade KIT. Included in the kit would be a new name plate to show K3 S. Thus the silver screws. Gene w6jmp From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:29:57 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <898086066.586145.1431529924926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <898086066.586145.1431529924926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <347DB77A-E23F-4E6D-A5EB-77DCFD5FF197@gmail.com> Guys, For us that cannot attend? and are stuck back at the shack? please post some pictures. (at home today listening to 10.116 with my KX3 today..) Frank KG9H From indians at xsmail.com Wed May 13 11:27:37 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:27:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Dramatic improvement in K3 RX sensitivity below 500 kHz -- looking for testers In-Reply-To: <31BB0A34-D8EE-47E9-A344-D1845FF0276A@elecraft.com> References: <55423BB6.5070006@n4rp.com> <31BB0A34-D8EE-47E9-A344-D1845FF0276A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1431530857802-7602625.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne and all, the most important is to be sure that it will not affect all the other bands mainly BDR etc. by IMD products from strong sigs below 500kHz... ;( Thank You very much Wayne for posting update regarding this improvement / development. 73 - Petr, OK1RP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dramatic-improvement-in-K3-RX-sensitivity-below-500-kHz-looking-for-testers-tp7602021p7602625.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed May 13 11:35:51 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:35:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <992031974.58669.1431519801593.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbsltgw06.schlund.de> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <992031974.58669.1431519801593.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbsltgw06.schlund.de> Message-ID: I think it's a scanning rig. At first, I thought just a receiver, but "transceiver" is clearly emblazoned on the front panel. The control buttons suggest something that will scan frequencies. No clues, of course, from the displayed digits, that are "least significant digits". We will know for sure very soon. :) 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 13, 2015, at 8:23 AM, droese at necg.de wrote: > Rather looks like a ruggedized radio ... > > It would be time for a dedicated satellite-capable multiband VHF/UHF > radio without any birdies but I fear the market is not big enough > for that. > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed May 13 11:36:03 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:36:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> > My guess. An upgrade KIT. Included in the kit would be a new name plate to show K3 S. Thus the silver screws. > It?s bound to happen eventually, but one might hold out hope that it isn?t time quite yet to make the existing K3 the latest in unsupported, superseded and deleted, throw-away used radios. Perhaps whatever is updated INSIDE this new thing can be retrofitted (along the lines of the updated synth cards). But .. sometimes (with great amounts of teeth gritting) it?s just the way things are. Grant NQ5T From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed May 13 11:39:39 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Dramatic improvement in K3 RX sensitivity below 500 kHz -- looking for testers In-Reply-To: <1431530857802-7602625.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <55423BB6.5070006@n4rp.com> <31BB0A34-D8EE-47E9-A344-D1845FF0276A@elecraft.com> <1431530857802-7602625.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Petr, The modification only affects 500 kHz and lower. We'll have a modification kit ready in a week or two. A few K3s have been modified so far, and all performed very well. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 13, 2015, at 8:27 AM, ok1rp wrote: > Hi Wayne and all, > > the most important is to be sure that it will not affect all the other bands > mainly BDR etc. by IMD products from strong sigs below 500kHz... ;( > > Thank You very much Wayne for posting update regarding this improvement / > development. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP From k8cxm at hotmail.com Wed May 13 11:50:44 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and digital modes Message-ID: It was the PTT ON that was the culprit. All is working with this little beauty. Thanks!! 73 ... Jim ... K8CXM From: Jim Leder (Hotmail) Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:48 AM To: Elecraft Subject: KX3 and digital modes I finally upgraded my little KX1 to a new KX3. LOVE the KX3! Intent is to use it mainly when I travel, but also as a nice QRP addition to the shack. My K3/KPA500 combo is still my main shack rig. One of the things I want to try is using the KX3 with is low power digital modes, like WSPR and maybe JT65. I have been trying to hook things up to my radio laptop and so far, I have managed to get half way: JT65 decodes signals perfectly, so that side is working OK. The problem is when I plug the transmit side into the KX3 and the laptop output (speakers), the KX3 immediately flips into TX mode (little red light comes on). No RF is being sent, there are NO tones being generated from the laptop. It's like PTT is activated. Doesn't matter if JT65 is running or not, the plug goes into the laptop and the TX light goes on. I am using the supplied 'green' cable from the KX3 cable packet. It is a stereo cable. The radio is set to VOX on. If either cable end is removed, the TX light goes out. What have I missed? BTW, same results with two different laptops. Thanks! Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999 There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. From nf4l at comcast.net Wed May 13 11:55:24 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:55:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <992031974.58669.1431519801593.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbsltgw06.schlund.de> Message-ID: <669A317A-0730-49D1-8905-A8EBB9404AFD@comcast.net> The button in the foto is the same as on the existing K3. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 13, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > > I think it's a scanning rig. At first, I thought just a receiver, but "transceiver" is clearly emblazoned on the front panel. The control buttons suggest something that will scan frequencies. No clues, of course, from the displayed digits, that are "least significant digits". > > We will know for sure very soon. :) > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > On May 13, 2015, at 8:23 AM, droese at necg.de wrote: > >> Rather looks like a ruggedized radio ... >> >> It would be time for a dedicated satellite-capable multiband VHF/UHF radio without any birdies but I fear the market is not big enough for that. >> >> 73, Olli - DH8BQA >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Wed May 13 12:09:24 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 PA Temp Testing Message-ID: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> Last night I did some monitoring of the KX3 PA temp. My setup as follows: Barefoot KX3 fitted with VE3FMN heatsink. PSU 13.8V, 14.076MHz operation into dummy load, ambient air temp 21C. Set ALC = 4 occasional flicker 5. WSJT-X S/W and Signalink The test consisted running 6 CQ cycles of JT65-HF and noting PA temp at end of RX and TX segments. Therefore lowest and hottest points in cycle assuming no thermal overshoot. The TX signal is approx 47 secs long and consists essentially of a CW carrier of varying frequency (less than 200Hz bandwidth). The RX cycle is one minute and 13 secs long, so one complete TX/RX cycle takes exactly 2 mins. Results as follows: 0.1W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 38C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 8 - 9C 0.5W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 40C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 8 - 9C 1W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 40C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 8 - 9C 2W TX, min temp 30C, max temp 41C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 8 - 9C 3W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 41C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 8 - 9C 5W TX, min temp 30C, max temp 48C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 13 - 15C I also did a long term JT65_HF CQ sequence over 12 cycles at 3W to see the where max PA temp stabilized. It appeared to be 42C, with typical min to max temp PA range of 34 to 42C over TX cycle. I was surprised not to see more degradation on going from 2 to 3W as this takes the PA from high to low efficiency mode. At 5W the KX3 PA is showing a considerable increase in thermal stress, sweet spot of my KX3 appears to be 3W or below. I'd be interested to hear any comments/thoughts on these findings. 73's Gary K6YOA From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 13 12:13:37 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 10:36 -0500, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > My guess. An upgrade KIT. Included in the kit would be a new name plate to show K3 S. Thus the silver screws. > > > > It?s bound to happen eventually, but one might hold out hope that it isn?t time quite yet to make the existing K3 the latest in unsupported, superseded and deleted, throw-away used radios. Perhaps whatever is updated INSIDE this new thing can be retrofitted (along the lines of the updated synth cards). But .. sometimes (with great amounts of teeth gritting) it?s just the way things are. > > Grant NQ5T > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n1al at sonic.net Wed May 13 12:18:11 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:18:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55537943.6000100@sonic.net> Hi Roger, I'm looking at the W2 kilowatt sensor schematic and scratching my head trying to figure out how that could have happened. There are 49.9k resistors in series with all the op amp inputs, so there would have to be hundreds of volts coming out of the detectors to damage the devices. Plus the fact that all 4 op amps (actually two dual op amps) were destroyed argues against that as well. I would suspect the 5V op-amp power supply. Perhaps there was a failure in the W2 power supply or maybe a spike on the supply. A large voltage transient causing a current spike in the sensor cable might do it, although it is hard to imagine 50W at 475 kHz doing that. Alan N1AL On 05/12/2015 11:21 PM, Roger Crofts wrote: > I made a rare QSO on 630 metres the other day. My W2 wattmeter was > in-line between the 630m transmitter and the 630m tuner. I was not > using the W2, because my 630m transmitter has its own internal SWR > meter. When I returned to normal HF operation, I noticed the W2 was > not working. I discovered all four unity gain op-amps in the W2 > directional coupler were destroyed. I replaced the op-amps and the W2 > operated normally again. The W2 wattmeter is not intended to operate > below 1.8 MHz, but it does have a 2KW rating, so one could be > forgiven for assuming it could handle 50 watts at 475 KHz. Next time > I operate on 630 metres, I will by-pass the W2. Roger, VK4YB From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed May 13 12:27:48 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons forever, at some point you need a new one. Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. 73 -- Lynn On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: > I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... From phystad at mac.com Wed May 13 12:33:20 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:33:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> Also, Didn?t Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at Dayton and they never did become products. I wasn?t at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has been a lot of talk about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 13, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. > > One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons forever, at some point you need a new one. > > Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. > > Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. > > If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: >> I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From scott.manthe at gmail.com Wed May 13 12:41:43 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:41:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <55537EC7.40907@gmail.com> Yes, Phil. I was at that show and have wanted a KPA1500 ever since. Alas, the $6K would've been too much for me, but I loved looking at those amps... 73, Scott, N9AA On 5/13/15 12:33 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Also, > > Didn?t Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at Dayton and they > never did become products. > > I wasn?t at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has been a lot of talk > about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On May 13, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> >> Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. >> >> One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons forever, at some point you need a new one. >> >> Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. >> >> Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. >> >> If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. >> >> 73 -- Lynn >> >> On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: >>> I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com From leschyna at gmail.com Wed May 13 12:42:24 2015 From: leschyna at gmail.com (Wm Robert Leschyna) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:42:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: The bezel looks much more commercial appearing (plastic mould injected), especially just above the VFO. My guess is 'real' *S*DR hence the S. Possibly a radio that is not offered as a kit at all, but only plug and play. 73 VE3UK www.MagLoop.com From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed May 13 12:42:34 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A3D00@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Notice 2 particular things hidden... the actual nomenclature of the rig.. with the exception of the rig.. But also... the Frequency in Mhz. That and the apparent rugged design.. Im gonna guess VHF/UHF Sat rig? There is a market gap after the discontinuance of the Icom rig that was replaced with the 9100. Looking forward to knowing the real story.. I feel the drain on my pocket book already. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Also, Didn?t Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at Dayton and they never did become products. I wasn?t at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has been a lot of talk about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 13, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. > > One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons forever, at some point you need a new one. > > Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. > > Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. > > If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: >> I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From mike.flowers at gmail.com Wed May 13 12:56:42 2015 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:56:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A3D00@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <339A7202-9732-4E37-9732-CA705F1497F1@mac.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A3D00@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <002a01d08d9d$c9e45270$5dacf750$@gmail.com> Given the recent DXCC rule changes regarding remote operation, my guess is that the "...S Transceiver" has to do with direct internet connectivity and remote control. - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Tate - N6WM Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:43 AM To: Phil Hystad; Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Notice 2 particular things hidden... the actual nomenclature of the rig.. with the exception of the rig.. But also... the Frequency in Mhz. That and the apparent rugged design.. Im gonna guess VHF/UHF Sat rig? There is a market gap after the discontinuance of the Icom rig that was replaced with the 9100. Looking forward to knowing the real story.. I feel the drain on my pocket book already. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Also, Didn?t Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at Dayton and they never did become products. I wasn?t at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has been a lot of talk about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 13, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. > > One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons forever, at some point you need a new one. > > Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. > > Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. > > If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: >> I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed May 13 13:01:54 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet? In-Reply-To: <1431525659489-7602618.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <55515C9D.5060402@earthlink.net> <555225D6.6050709@socal.rr.com> <1431525659489-7602618.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <423616F0-B086-466A-9726-340E8FFEBFA9@elecraft.com> Folks, this thread was closed yesterday to relieve email overload for others. 73, Eric List moderator etc. In the air heading to Dayton. elecraft.com _..._ From dave at onitap.com Wed May 13 13:04:25 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:04:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100, KXAT100 & Digital Message-ID: Didn't see the information on the website, is the KXAT100 capable of handling 100 watts with digital modes such as psk31 and jt65, or can it only handle those at a reduced rate? -Dave N9PBJ From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 13 13:50:02 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:50:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <1431539402.14866.106.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi, I sure hope you are correct. I bought a K3 because of the long term upgrades they make available to stay current... I won't throw it away, it is still a very good rig! Hopefully it is something that can be done to an existing K3. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 09:27 -0700, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really is. > > One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might > be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons > forever, at some point you need a new one. > > Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the > new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It > may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a > new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for > another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who > want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. > > Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. > > If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: > > I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From darren.long at mac.com Wed May 13 13:56:09 2015 From: darren.long at mac.com (Darren Long) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:56:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100, KXAT100 & Digital In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55539039.8000401@mac.com> Hi Dave, I ran my new KXPA100 with my KX3 for a lengthy rag-chew using Olivia 16/500 on 60m at 30W power, and after about 45 minutes of QSO time, I hit the PA temp limit. I added some USB powered fans (just taped together and sat on top of the amp's heatsink with rubber feet), and used a USB power switch to turn them off and on as required. I noted the following results. Firstly a 5 minute transmission ... 60m, tx into dummy load, Olivia 16-500, 25W Fans On Start temp 27C, Peak Temp 37C at 05:09.42, End temp 27C @ 09:47.98 Then a 10 minute transmission ... 60m, tx into dummy load, Olivia 16-500, 25W Fans On Start temp 26C, Peak Temp 38C @ 10:02.57. End temp 25C @ 17:37.95 So, I don't have any info for you regarding running digimodes at 100W, but for long transmissions or high duty cycle work, you may well need extra cooling at 25-30W. Cheers, 73 Darren, G0hWW On 13/05/15 18:04, David Patino wrote: > Didn't see the information on the website, is the KXAT100 capable of handling 100 watts with digital modes such as psk31 and jt65, or can it only handle those at a reduced rate? > > > -Dave > > N9PBJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to darren.long at mac.com > From kj9b at arrl.net Wed May 13 13:59:23 2015 From: kj9b at arrl.net (Ken Bandy, KJ9B) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:59:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction Message-ID: <04bf01d08da6$8b8b3cb0$a2a1b610$@arrl.net> Thanks to all who responded! Lots of good info. After looking through the manual, I know a little more what to look at/for at Dayton, and the questions to ask at the booth. 73, Ken, KJ9B -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very > impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 > would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 13 14:09:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Brian Moran via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> References: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1435286843.1465060.1431540565494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> That would be interesting, and with that new front panel remote-rig-like capability already built into the radio (network jack to be used at the site or as the control; USB-B port so the radio can plug into a PC w/o any extra stuff?) On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:46 AM, Brendan Minish wrote: It *might* be a replacement front panel with upgraded DSP IF, Audio and more CPU horsepower. Pure speculation of course. 73 Brendan EI6IZ From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:24:10 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:24:10 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431539402.14866.106.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> <1431533617.14866.103.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55537B84.2040608@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1431539402.14866.106.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: Is it not just a new faceplate and knob for existing K3/s ? 73, Deni - F5VJC On 13 May 2015 at 19:50, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > I sure hope you are correct. I bought a K3 because of the long term > upgrades they make available to stay current... I won't throw it away, > it is still a very good rig! Hopefully it is something that can be done > to an existing K3. > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 09:27 -0700, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Probably best to relax until we all know what the mystery product really > is. > > > > One of my thoughts has been that a given Elecraft product lifetime might > > be determined by the front panel -- you can't keep overloading buttons > > forever, at some point you need a new one. > > > > Also, if I'm not mistaken (I haven't followed Elecraft that closely) the > > new products they announce aren't necessarily immediately available. It > > may be a year before the new radio is available (unless it's a K3 with a > > new front panel). If it's something major, it may not be available for > > another year, and you and your friend will enjoy the K3 while those who > > want the new rig are waiting (im)patiently. > > > > Either way, it's not time to throw out that K3. > > > > If you do, please tell me where you dump your trash. > > > > 73 -- Lynn > > > > On 5/13/2015 9:13 AM, David Cole wrote: > > > I just got a K3, and just convinced a friend to get one... Sigh... > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From drewko1 at verizon.net Wed May 13 14:24:38 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The image name is "new3" . 73 Drew AF2Z On Wed, 13 May 2015 14:54:15 +1000, you wrote: >Hmmmmm > >That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting >and suuround is different. > >Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton >before you guys left to party.....:-) > >Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) > >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: > >> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a >> picture which don't look to me as an existing product >> Any clue ;-) >> >> 73 de VE2PID From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed May 13 14:25:03 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:25:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <1435286843.1465060.1431540565494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> <1435286843.1465060.1431540565494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431541503510-7602647.post@n2.nabble.com> Ooooo...I know... The clock is off by two days... ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-2015-Something-new-coming-tp7602581p7602647.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net Wed May 13 14:25:31 2015 From: kevinemtid at tvcconnect.net (Kevin Gilot) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton "S" Message-ID: <493337CF-DAA8-4F4E-97F2-D7375BD9AF6C@tvcconnect.net> Maybe a re designed, updated K 2 S? My guess? 73, Kevin NZ1I Sent from my iPhone From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed May 13 14:26:47 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:26:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <04bf01d08da6$8b8b3cb0$a2a1b610$@arrl.net> References: <04bf01d08da6$8b8b3cb0$a2a1b610$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <55539767.9020603@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/13/2015 10:59 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Thanks to all who responded! Lots of good info. After looking through the > manual, I know a little more what to look at/for at Dayton, and the > questions to ask at the booth. A few other thoughts, Ken. By all means, buy Elecraft gear as kits unless you have a physical handicap that makes screwing things together difficult. You'll save 10-15%. Don't feel that you must buy a loaded radio all at once -- it's easy to add stuff later. The exception to that is once the second receiver is installed, it's mechanically more difficult to add things, because for many things the 2nd RX must be removed, and it's a bit of a shoe-horn job. :) Don't try to load it up with roofing filters that you don't need. Unless you're a contester or want to work FM, you probably don't need anything more than the single 2.7 kHz IF filter that comes with the radio. That's because the IF filters are all done in DSP, so all the roofing filter does is protect that DSP from overload by strong signals outside its passband. IF you're a contester, I recommend the 250 Hz roofer for CW (some prefer the 400 Hz, and the 400 Hz filter is better for RTTY), and the 2.1 kHz filter for SSB (some prefer 1.8 kHz). 73, Jim K9YC From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed May 13 14:26:52 2015 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> References: <37909AAF-DFD6-484F-BC01-27F8C2C3B85F@comcast.net> <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BD4B8F7-81F6-40F2-B224-09CED24C1507@widomaker.com> i think this is something new. viewing the video, it appear to be the right edge of the box. So I'm thinking not a K3 Plus, but something all together new. Sent from my iPad > On May 13, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Brendan Minish wrote: > > It *might* be a replacement front panel with upgraded DSP IF, Audio and > more CPU horsepower. > > Pure speculation of course. > > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > > >> On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 09:20 -0400, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> The VFO surround is different also. DANG! Just when I was almost almost comfortable with the K3..... >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >> >>> On May 13, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >>> >>> It is different. Lots of differences. And S Transceiver >>> Any one know? >>>> On May 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmmmmm >>>> >>>> That is not a k3 as i know it....looking at mine i see tge screen mounting >>>> and suuround is different. >>>> >>>> Ok Eric....spill the beans man if i left now i could not arrive at Dayton >>>> before you guys left to party.....:-) >>>> >>>> Inquiring minds demand to know.....:-) >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> Vk1ZZ >>>> K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >>>>> On 13/05/2015 1:49 PM, "Pierre" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi... If you look at http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm , there is a >>>>> picture which don't look to me as an existing product >>>>> Any clue ;-) >>>>> From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed May 13 14:31:58 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't worry about your K3. Do you know anyone who has thrown away their Heathkit SB220/221? K2's are still supported. My K3 #1239 most likely winds up in my will. Elecraft's remarkable proven record of retrofit, including the remarkable "S" synthesizer changeout, will not go away. But if you just must have a new front panel, just advertise your "old" K3 at reduced price and make the day for some budget constrained ham who will get a budget price for a rig he's been drooling over for years. He'll just go through it to make sure all mods and upgrades are in, and enjoy his entry into the world of max performance radio at your expense :>} 73, Guy K2AV On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Allan Zadiraka wrote: > Dang! Had been thinking of ordering a K3 at Dayton. Now I will have to > wait until the ??S is available. Sure hope it ships before the ARRL > Bicentennial QSO Party. > > zeke > AB8OU > > > *Allan Zadiraka* > *AJ ZA**DIRAKA LLC* > 4110 State Rd Akron, OH 44319 Work: 234-738-4578 Cell: > 330.760.4569 Fax: 330.644.1839 > > Join us at the *58th Annual ISA POWID Symposium*, June 7-11, 2015 in Kansas > City > http://www.isa.org/powersymp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 13 14:49:41 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:49:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55539CC5.6070608@socal.rr.com> I figured the S stood for Stainless screws :-) Phil W7OX On 5/13/15 8:14 AM, Gene via Elecraft wrote: > My guess. An upgrade KIT. Included in the kit would be a new name plate to show K3 S. Thus the silver screws. > > Gene w6jmp From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 13 14:51:30 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:51:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Dramatic improvement in K3 RX sensitivity below 500 kHz -- looking for testers In-Reply-To: References: <55423BB6.5070006@n4rp.com> <31BB0A34-D8EE-47E9-A344-D1845FF0276A@elecraft.com> <1431530857802-7602625.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55539D32.7060205@socal.rr.com> Good to hear the kit will be ready reasonably soon, Wayne. Seems like a good change to make, so I will. Phil W7OX On 5/13/15 8:39 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Petr, > > The modification only affects 500 kHz and lower. We'll have a modification kit ready in a week or two. > > A few K3s have been modified so far, and all performed very well. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On May 13, 2015, at 8:27 AM, ok1rp wrote: > >> Hi Wayne and all, >> >> the most important is to be sure that it will not affect all the other bands >> mainly BDR etc. by IMD products from strong sigs below 500kHz... ;( >> >> Thank You very much Wayne for posting update regarding this improvement / >> development. >> >> 73 - Petr, OK1RP From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 13 15:07:02 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:07:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Guess what the new item is... Message-ID: <1431544022.14866.109.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Flex 7000 -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From fptownsend at earthlink.net Wed May 13 15:17:48 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:17:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. Message-ID: <15645887.1431544669539.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Alan by now you know the offending parts are located on page 3 of the RF Board. Perhaps taking their queue from QST Magazine they go against convention and flow power from right to left so look on the right side for the power entry. Also because these components are supplied as part of an assembly their part numbers are not individually shown. As for what type parts I do not have the assembly before me. Check with Elecraft for verification of what I list. The part information is my best guess and is provided to assist you in locating the defective parts. Use at your own risk. Digikey will also lead you to the manufacture's data sheets and give you a picture of what you are looking for. Fuse F1 similar to Digi-Key Part Number 20LR600SU-ND Thermal fuse Zener D28 similar to Digi-Key Part Number 497-6686-3-ND Manufacturer's # BZW50-15 One more note. The schematic shows a zener diode. However the part number is actually a Transient Voltage Suppressor (TVS). These are slightly different parts. 73, Fred, AE6QL See more comments below: -----Original Message----- >From: G4GNX >Sent: May 13, 2015 4:29 AM >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > >Forgive me Fred, but so far I've not been able to locate those components on >the schematics. Do you know which page they're on? > >It's also possible that the zener had failed previously, so this time it >didn't cause the fuse to trip. On the other hand, what sort of fuse is it, >mechanical, thermal or electronic? Thermal, self resetting As we all known, chips are the fastest >fuse on multiple legs and given a gross voltage overload, I doubt that a >mechanical or thermal fuse would be fast enough. The normal failure mode for the TVS is shorted. Therefore I doubt it was already failed. The fuse is another matter. They have a soft failure mode which is hard to detect. > >I'd prefer to see a full-blown crowbar circuit at the start of the power >circuit and of course the same in the PSU although I do admit to having >defeated a crowbar once. This is pretty much a full blown crowbar circuit except it is self resetting and it does not disconnect the source. Also the rest of the circuit is very robust and has voltage regulators which protect the critical circuits. I'd built a 12V 10A variable PSU which would go up >to 15V before the crowbar tripped in and the regulator then saw the overload >and shut the output down. For some reason I had connected the PSU across a >car battery and then absent mindedly increased the PSU voltage past 15V at >which point the crowbar shorted the output, but of course car batteries >don't care about that, so considerable current hit the crowbar and destroyed >it! No other damage, so I replaced the thyristor and learned from the >experience. :-) > >73, > >Alan. G4GNX > >-----Original Message----- >From: Fred Townsend >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:36 AM >To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 power switching. > >Alan the power circuit on the K3 is very robust and is protected from over >voltage. There is a 15 volt zener that should trip a self resetting 6A fuse. >It may be that zener over heated and shorted but even so there should not be >smoke. > >I agree your psu should be set so it can not exceed 14.8 volts. > >73 >Fred, AE6QL > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From rmbayer62 at gmail.com Wed May 13 15:20:51 2015 From: rmbayer62 at gmail.com (Robin Bayer) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3S Message-ID: The new KX3 Station Model! No 3.5 or 2.5mm audio plugs. 0 to 100w. VGA Pan Out. And the new KX3 base port. KX3 slides in and has many of the same features and options as the KX3S. Rob KA5QQA K2 KX3 From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed May 13 15:20:43 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:20:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5553A40B.7040501@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Which means it falls between "new2" and "new4" On 5/13/2015 11:24 AM, drewko wrote: > The image name is "new3" . From drewko1 at verizon.net Wed May 13 15:37:33 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:37:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <5553A40B.7040501@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <5553A40B.7040501@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: I actually did check for those image names (and others) at the same location... 73, Drew AF2Z On Wed, 13 May 2015 12:20:43 -0700, you wrote: >Which means it falls between "new2" and "new4" > >On 5/13/2015 11:24 AM, drewko wrote: >> The image name is "new3" . > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed May 13 15:44:24 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:44:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <1431524701.1084.24.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll dream of the "one computer cable" radio. It uses one USB cable to offer rig control and digital audio in/out. While replacing the SignaLink with a Tascam US-122 MKII has eliminated may of the overload problems I had with PSK, it still offends my sense of esthetics to be taking digital audio (in the dsp), converting it to analog audio just so I can convert it back to digital. It may work nicely, but it just isn't right. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/13/15 at 6:45 AM, ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) wrote: >It *might* be a replacement front panel with upgraded DSP IF, Audio and >more CPU horsepower. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From w0eb at cox.net Wed May 13 16:09:37 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LED Lighting and RFI Message-ID: More to add to the good side of this. Today, I replaced two 2 tube 4 foot and one 2 tube 1 foot fluorescent fixtures. The 1 footer and one of the 4 footers was in the kitchen and the other 4 footer was in the laundry room in the basement. The fixtures used were by Livonia Lighting and the two 4 footers were type LBL4. The smaller fixture was a round one that I replaced the 1 foot fluorescent over the sink and it was a Livonia type FMML7840. They exhibit absolutely NO RF noise that I can find on any frequency from VLF all the way up through 6 meters. I had all other lights in the house off when I did the test and then turned all of them on and still no noise anywhere. I now have ALL the lights in the house replaced with LED's. Most are GE with the others Livonia Lighting types. The are all of the "dimmable" variety and I suspect the big 4 foot fixtures have a switching supply in them as they operate from 90 through 270 volts without any tap or switch changing, but the supply is in a totally sealed metal box and if any RFI is being generated by that supply, it is apparently not getting out of the box. I'm not saying they aren't generating any noise, simply that I can't find it if they are. My antennas are close enough to the roof of the house (wood decking) that any radiation from the AC wiring couples easily to them and I have had switching supplies that were so bad they blanked everything out so I'm pretty darn sure of my findings in this case. That said, I'm out of this thread in the interest of limiting the clutter. Jim - W0EB From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed May 13 16:18:02 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:18:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: References: <5553A40B.7040501@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <5553B17A.2090909@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> If the image name was "newK3" or "newK4" then it might mean something. On 5/13/2015 12:37 PM, drewko wrote: > I actually did check for those image names (and others) at the same > location... > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > On Wed, 13 May 2015 12:20:43 -0700, you wrote: > >> Which means it falls between "new2" and "new4" >> >> On 5/13/2015 11:24 AM, drewko wrote: >>> The image name is "new3" . >> From jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net Wed May 13 17:03:30 2015 From: jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net (Jonathan Cullifer) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming In-Reply-To: <5553B17A.2090909@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <5553A40B.7040501@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <5553B17A.2090909@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Given that the new display cover covers up the old lettering and the buttons are the same as the K3, I have to imagine that it's an upgrade/retrofit to the K3...I guess we will find out tomorrow! Jonathan W4CGP On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > If the image name was "newK3" or "newK4" then it might mean something. > > On 5/13/2015 12:37 PM, drewko wrote: > >> I actually did check for those image names (and others) at the same >> location... >> >> 73, >> Drew >> AF2Z >> >> >> >> On Wed, 13 May 2015 12:20:43 -0700, you wrote: >> >> Which means it falls between "new2" and "new4" >>> >>> On 5/13/2015 11:24 AM, drewko wrote: >>> >>>> The image name is "new3" . >>>> >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net > From fptownsend at earthlink.net Wed May 13 17:53:51 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:53:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching Message-ID: <18162396.1431554032123.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: James Wilson >Sent: May 13, 2015 8:11 AM >To: Elecraft >Subject: [Elecraft] K3 power switching > >A fused crowbar circuit is so easy to build and such >great protection, it should be in every 12 volt (13.8) >supply lead. > >I use one built into a plastic "project box" with Power >Poles on each end. > >Even though many things (including the K3) have a >built-in crowbar, the redundancy doesn't hurt and >helps me sleep better. :-) > >Jim - W4RKS >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed May 13 18:58:02 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton 2015 - Something new coming Message-ID: While speculation is still in order, I look at the index at the top of the knob, and the graduations around its edge and think there might be tactile feedback for tuning. It would certainly be very valuable when using corse tuning increments. 73 Bill AE6JV From hhoyt at mebtel.net Wed May 13 19:14:08 2015 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] mobile mobile pse... Message-ID: <5553DAC0.6030703@mebtel.net> Elecraft already makes the very best mobile rig: the KX3!!! (when paired with our new Kx35 Mobile Mount...details will be released on the Pro Audio Engineering website after Dayton). I have used the KX3 for a year mobile now, and paired with the KXPA100 I am really pleased with the performance. I understand that those people who use just tuned whips get even lower antenna system losses than I do with my base loaded Tarheel II. Still there is no better way to pass a long trip than chatting with EU and SA DX driving along the Rt. 81 in the mountains of Virginia and Pennsylvania!!! I encourage all KX3 owners who run mobile to chime in on their experiences. The Elecraft mobile setup is a lot of fun, and worth investing in! Cheers & see y'all in Dayton, Howie - WA4PSC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 13 19:23:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 23:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> References: <70ABF47B-0BB2-4D17-8B2E-4E8611522DD4@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <154305010.1693241.1431559405791.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I thought someone had said the K3 will upgrade to whatever is their latest. From: GRANT YOUNGMAN To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Update > My guess.? An upgrade KIT.? Included in the kit would be a new name plate to show K3 S.? Thus the silver screws. > It?s bound to happen eventually, but one might hold out hope that it isn?t time quite yet to make the existing K3 the latest in unsupported, superseded and deleted, throw-away used radios.? Perhaps whatever is updated INSIDE this new thing can be retrofitted (along the lines of the updated synth cards).? But .. sometimes (with great amounts of teeth gritting) it?s just the way things are. Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed May 13 19:26:14 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:26:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] mobile mobile pse... In-Reply-To: <5553DAC0.6030703@mebtel.net> References: <5553DAC0.6030703@mebtel.net> Message-ID: Hey Howie ... and everyone heading to Dayton: Drive safely.... we need you here on the list. Have fun! 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 13, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote: > Elecraft already makes the very best mobile rig: the KX3!!! > > (when paired with our new Kx35 Mobile Mount...details will be > released on the Pro Audio Engineering website after Dayton). > > I have used the KX3 for a year mobile now, and paired with the > KXPA100 I am really pleased with the performance. I understand that > those people who use just tuned whips get even lower antenna system > losses than I do with my base loaded Tarheel II. Still there is no > better way to pass a long trip than chatting with EU and SA DX > driving along the Rt. 81 in the mountains of Virginia and > Pennsylvania!!! > > I encourage all KX3 owners who run mobile to chime in on their > experiences. > > The Elecraft mobile setup is a lot of fun, and worth investing in! > > Cheers & see y'all in Dayton, > > Howie - WA4PSC From josh at voodoolab.com Wed May 13 19:30:57 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 16:30:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Dramatic improvement in K3 RX sensitivity below 500 kHz -- looking for testers In-Reply-To: References: <55423BB6.5070006@n4rp.com> <31BB0A34-D8EE-47E9-A344-D1845FF0276A@elecraft.com> <1431530857802-7602625.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5553DEB1.3090006@voodoolab.com> There it is from the horse's mouth (keyboard)! It's a *K3s*... 73, Josh W6XU On 5/13/2015 8:39 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > A few*K3s* have been modified so far, and all performed very well. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From w0uce at nc.rr.com Wed May 13 20:35:48 2015 From: w0uce at nc.rr.com (W0UCE) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? Message-ID: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> To: All who won't sleep well tonight because of being frustrated by what the Elecraft Dynamic Duo will announce tomorrow morning... There is hope... Here is a hint... Perhaps, just perhaps my pal who lives not far away and goes by the name Don.... Yes, the one who makes excellent technical posts on this reflector could possibly be "shall we say enticed" into spelling some beans just after midnight this evening... A $1,000.00 PayPal contribution to "Maybe Don will spill the beans" might just result in you enjoying a good night's sleep. Hi Hi... My apology... I just couldn't resist doing this. Whatever the Elecraft Dynamic Duo release will be worth the wait 73, Jack W?UCE From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Wed May 13 20:47:26 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 PA Temp Testing In-Reply-To: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> I did a little additional PA temp testing today, this time focused on simulated JT65-HF 10m operation. Setup the same as below except transmitting on 28.076MHz operation into dummy load. Results as follows: 2W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 43C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 11 - 12C 3W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 43C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 14 - 15C 5W TX, min temp 30C, max temp 54C, typical temp variation of PA temp in TX cycle 19 - 20C The KX3 is clearly under more thermal stress operating on 10m rather than 20m, and the sweet spot appears to be in the 2 - 3W range. 5W operation showing a marked increase in cycle-to-cycle temp variation. Does anyone know how I can estimate KX3 freq drift before and after temp compensation as I don't have an easy way of measuring it? Again, I'd be interested to hear any comments/thoughts on these findings. 73's Gary K6YOA On 5/13/2015 9:09 AM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > Last night I did some monitoring of the KX3 PA temp. My setup as > follows: Barefoot KX3 fitted with VE3FMN heatsink. PSU 13.8V, > 14.076MHz operation into dummy load, ambient air temp 21C. Set ALC = 4 > occasional flicker 5. WSJT-X S/W and Signalink > > The test consisted running 6 CQ cycles of JT65-HF and noting PA temp > at end of RX and TX segments. Therefore lowest and hottest points in > cycle assuming no thermal overshoot. The TX signal is approx 47 secs > long and consists essentially of a CW carrier of varying frequency > (less than 200Hz bandwidth). The RX cycle is one minute and 13 secs > long, so one complete TX/RX cycle takes exactly 2 mins. > > Results as follows: > > 0.1W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 38C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 8 - 9C > 0.5W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 40C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 8 - 9C > 1W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 40C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 8 - 9C > 2W TX, min temp 30C, max temp 41C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 8 - 9C > 3W TX, min temp 29C, max temp 41C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 8 - 9C > 5W TX, min temp 30C, max temp 48C, typical temp variation of PA temp > in TX cycle 13 - 15C > > I also did a long term JT65_HF CQ sequence over 12 cycles at 3W to see > the where max PA temp stabilized. It appeared to be 42C, with typical > min to max temp PA range of 34 to 42C over TX cycle. > > I was surprised not to see more degradation on going from 2 to 3W as > this takes the PA from high to low efficiency mode. At 5W the KX3 PA > is showing a considerable increase in thermal stress, sweet spot of my > KX3 appears to be 3W or below. > > I'd be interested to hear any comments/thoughts on these findings. > > 73's Gary K6YOA From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 13 20:54:40 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:54:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? In-Reply-To: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> References: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5553F250.5070101@socal.rr.com> Hah! My assessment is "Not a chance", Jack :-) Phil W7OX On 5/13/15 5:35 PM, W0UCE wrote: > To: > > All who won't sleep well tonight because of being frustrated by what the > Elecraft Dynamic Duo will announce tomorrow morning... > > > > There is hope... Here is a hint... > > > > Perhaps, just perhaps my pal who lives not far away and goes by the name > Don.... Yes, the one who makes excellent technical posts on this reflector > could possibly be "shall we say enticed" into spelling some beans just after > midnight this evening... > > > > A $1,000.00 PayPal contribution to "Maybe Don will spill the beans" might > just result in you enjoying a good night's sleep. > > > > Hi Hi... My apology... I just couldn't resist doing this. > > > > Whatever the Elecraft Dynamic Duo release will be worth the wait? > > > > 73, > > Jack W?UCE From genebit at bellsouth.net Wed May 13 21:01:25 2015 From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:01:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> The display implies it has a built-in USB interface. Perhaps this would support the digital modes without requiring an external soundcard-type analog interface. Rig control would also be possible with it. Is it a new radio, or an updated module for the K3, or both? We'll find out tomorrow. ----- Dave My Web Site -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Update-tp7602571p7602674.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From esteptony at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:01:41 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:01:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 PA Temp Testing In-Reply-To: <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > ...Does anyone know how I can estimate KX3 freq drift.... =============== Gary, if you have another receiver it's easy. Just set up the other rx for JT65HF, transmit via the KX3, and look at the received trace. You can see drift down to a couple of Hz. I found the drift not to be too dependent on power level. Even at very low levels of output power, my KX3 drifted about the same (about 18 Hz) before the temperature compensation. This is too much for JT65HF communication. 73, Tony KT0NY From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 13 21:05:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 01:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KXAT3 remember the tuning settings Message-ID: <1273879275.1700727.1431565534804.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Does the KXAT3 remember the tuning settings like the KAT3 and the KAT500 does? Or do you have to tune each time you change bands? From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:07:31 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:07:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The "USB" in the display simply indicates the radio in the photo was set for Upper Side Band .. (;-) 73! Ken - K0PP On May 13, 2015 7:02 PM, "Dave KW4M" wrote: > The display implies it has a built-in USB interface. > > Perhaps this would support the digital modes without requiring an external > soundcard-type analog interface. > > Rig control would also be possible with it. > > Is it a new radio, or an updated module for the K3, or both? We'll find > out > tomorrow. > > > > > > > ----- > Dave > My Web Site > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Update-tp7602571p7602674.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From softblue at windstream.net Wed May 13 21:11:25 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 21:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update Message-ID: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> Also, Didn't Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at Dayton and they never did haven't yet become products. I wasn't at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has been a lot of talk about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. 73, phil, K7PEH 73, Dick - KA5KKT From genebit at bellsouth.net Wed May 13 21:15:25 2015 From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:15:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431566125408-7602679.post@n2.nabble.com> :) Yep! ----- Dave My Web Site -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Update-tp7602571p7602679.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 13 21:16:20 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5553F764.10908@socal.rr.com> In what way? The USB on the display appears to be the mode of operation. Phil W7OX On 5/13/15 6:01 PM, Dave KW4M wrote: > The display implies it has a built-in USB interface. > > Perhaps this would support the digital modes without requiring an external > soundcard-type analog interface. > > Rig control would also be possible with it. > > Is it a new radio, or an updated module for the K3, or both? We'll find out > tomorrow. > > > > > > > ----- > Dave From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:19:47 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:19:47 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> References: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: S = Special edition 200w k3 Just as corny as some other musings.....:-) Or if you like "i have absolutely no clue" Chuckle Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 14/05/2015 11:12 AM, "Dick Dickinson" wrote: > Also, > > > > Didn't Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at > Dayton and they > > never did haven't yet become products. > > > > I wasn't at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has > been a lot of talk > > about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > > > 73, > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed May 13 21:19:50 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <5553F764.10908@socal.rr.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> <5553F764.10908@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: No way. USB means Ultra Super Bandwidth! I like that the VFO B display shows the release date. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > In what way? The USB on the display appears to be the mode of operation. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/13/15 6:01 PM, Dave KW4M wrote: >> The display implies it has a built-in USB interface. >> >> Perhaps this would support the digital modes without requiring an external >> soundcard-type analog interface. >> >> Rig control would also be possible with it. >> >> Is it a new radio, or an updated module for the K3, or both? We'll find out >> tomorrow. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Dave > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k7jltextra at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:20:52 2015 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John K7JLT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:20:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KXAT3 remember the tuning settings Message-ID: The KXAT3 remembers the tuning on a frequency basis so there may be several different settings per band. John K7JLT Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > >Does the KXAT3 remember the tuning settings like the KAT3 and the KAT500 does? > >Or do you have to tune each time you change bands? > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k7jltextra at gmail.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Wed May 13 21:45:57 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> References: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <5553FE55.2000906@earthlink.net> Ever wonder who got to keep those prototypes ?? 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 5/13/2015 6:11 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > Also, > > > > Didn't Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at > Dayton and they > > never did haven't yet become products. > > > > I wasn't at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has > been a lot of talk > > about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > > > 73, > > Dick - KA5KKT > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From kf0ur at radins.us Wed May 13 21:57:55 2015 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:57:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar Message-ID: <1431568675560-7602684.post@n2.nabble.com> QRPworks will be at FDIM and Hamvention again this year. For Hamvention, We'll be in the North Hall, booth 194. directly across the aisle from Elecraft. We're pleased to be introducing the newest, ultimate accessory "SideKar" for the KX3. - Displays decoded text in CW, RTTY, PSK31 modes - Built-in logger for 1000 QSOs with ADIF export (PC or Mac) - Uses wireless/wired USB keyboard or paddle for functions - Create / Edit messages / macros with keyboard or paddle - Sunlight readable - made to be used outdoors. - mounts on the right side of the KX3 - Only 5oz (140g) It'll be available for sale at both events and the order page and manual at www.QRPworks.com will be up by Thursday night. Hope to see old friends and make some new ones there. 73, Shel KF0UR & Steve KB3SII -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/QRPworks-SideKar-tp7602684.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:22:18 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Odd KX3 Behavior Message-ID: I think I might have done something... If I'm on 7.184 LSB, and I hit mode to go go CW, the radio goes to 7.184.540. It only does this between SSB and CW. What button did I push? 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3 # 7480 NAQCC # 7704 OMISS # 9948 4sqrp # 990 From wes at triconet.org Wed May 13 22:28:20 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Even more fun in Dayton Attn: Wayne Message-ID: <55540844.8050101@triconet.org> By chance I received a CD today in the mail. It's a copy of blues guitar phenomenon, Johnny Lang's, debut album, "Smokin'" which is playing as I write. For those not in the know he recorded this when he was 14 years old. My fiancee, Annette, was doing some research on him and discovered that he and Kenny Wayne Shepard will be playing in Dayton in a month. http://www.daytonlocal.com/concerts/rose-music-center-kenny-wayne-shepherd-johnny-lang.asp We seen both if these guys in concerts (separately) and they are both amazing. Together they should be really special. Wes N7WS From jbollit at outlook.com Wed May 13 22:51:39 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:51:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Rob's list is invaluable, however, there are many "features" of the various radios listed. I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio was heavily weighted on my list of features. Rob's list does not address all the nuances in picking a radio. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:09 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Tue,5/12/2015 6:18 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Any thoughts from > users that have compared the K3 to the Eagle? I have been very > impressed with the receiver on the Eagle! Another use for the K3 > would be as a portable rig for occasional trips using a Buddipole. Hi Ken, I don't know anything about the Eagle other than testing by ARRL and by Rob Sherwood, which shows the K3 to be superior. If you're thinking backpacking, take a look at he KX3 when you're cruising the Dayton booth. Add the KXPA100 power amp and you have a nice rig for home or mobile. Not as nice as a K3, but it also tests superior to the Eagle. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 13 22:52:09 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 03:52:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Odd KX3 Behavior In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is correct, Joshua, when using CW in SSB mode the transmitter shifts by the offset, which you obviously have set to 540Hz. Otherwise you would be zero beat and the ssb station would not hear you. 73 de David G4DMP David Pratt on his Asus Nexus 7 tablet. On 14 May 2015 03:22, Joshua Gould wrote: > > I think I might have done something... > > If I'm on 7.184 LSB, and I hit mode to go go CW, the radio goes to > 7.184.540.? It only does this between SSB and CW. > > What button did I push? > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3 # 7480 From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 13 22:58:45 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 03:58:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Even more fun in Dayton Attn: Wayne In-Reply-To: <55540844.8050101@triconet.org> Message-ID: <3f96197d-0a95-43c2-93ec-b08cf186c0f8@email.android.com> Just what has this got to do with Elecraft please? WHERE IS THE MODERATOR PLEASE ? There is so much rubbish on this reflector that many prospective buyers could be discouraged from buying Elecraft. On 14 May 2015 03:28, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > > By chance I received a CD today in the mail.? It's a copy of blues guitar > phenomenon, Johnny Lang's, debut album, "Smokin'" which is playing as I write.? > For those not in the know he recorded this when he was 14 years old.? My > fiancee, Annette, was doing some research on him and discovered that he and > Kenny Wayne Shepard will be playing in Dayton in a month. > > http://www.daytonlocal.com/concerts/rose-music-center-kenny-wayne-shepherd-johnny-lang.asp From rcrgs at verizon.net Wed May 13 23:16:37 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 03:16:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) two K3's operating on same band Message-ID: <55541395.5070001@verizon.net> Two questions re contest hardware setups: I have regularly read comments from various contest operations to the effect that two K3's can be operated on the same band [with common sense frequency separation]. This is due to the rig's excellent ability to reject adjacent channel signals. Any comments on this point? Assuming such operation is possible, does this require separate antennas? If the same antenna can be used for two rigs, how is this configuration set up? I can recall doing something like this with radar, 50 years ago, but I wouldn't bet a lot on it. Thanks to all ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed May 13 23:25:49 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:25:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Even more fun in Dayton Attn: Wayne In-Reply-To: <3f96197d-0a95-43c2-93ec-b08cf186c0f8@email.android.com> References: <3f96197d-0a95-43c2-93ec-b08cf186c0f8@email.android.com> Message-ID: You can send your K3 to me and you won?t have to worry about things that Elecraft owners think are important. My address is good at the FCC. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 13, 2015, at 7:58 PM, David Pratt wrote: > Just what has this got to do with Elecraft please? > > WHERE IS THE MODERATOR PLEASE ? There is so much rubbish on this reflector that many prospective buyers could be discouraged from buying Elecraft. > > > On 14 May 2015 03:28, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: >> >> By chance I received a CD today in the mail. It's a copy of blues guitar >> phenomenon, Johnny Lang's, debut album, "Smokin'" which is playing as I write. >> For those not in the know he recorded this when he was 14 years old. My >> fiancee, Annette, was doing some research on him and discovered that he and >> Kenny Wayne Shepard will be playing in Dayton in a month. >> >> http://www.daytonlocal.com/concerts/rose-music-center-kenny-wayne-shepherd-johnny-lang.asp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 14 00:34:17 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 21:34:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) two K3's operating on same band In-Reply-To: <55541395.5070001@verizon.net> References: <55541395.5070001@verizon.net> Message-ID: <555425C9.5070802@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/13/2015 8:16 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote: > Two questions re contest hardware setups: > > I have regularly read comments from various contest operations to the > effect that two K3's can be operated on the same band [with common > sense frequency separation]. This is due to the rig's excellent > ability to reject adjacent channel signals. Any comments on this point? > > Assuming such operation is possible, does this require separate antennas? Absolutely! At home, I have two towers about 200 ft apart, one with a 3-el SteppIR,the other with monobanders for 20 and 15, and a 10M monobander on a low pushup mast. If I carefully orient them so that the are approximately in line, (that is, pointing them in a direction that puts at 90 degrees to the other, I can run two K3s on the same band with each driving a Ten Tec Titan to 1500W. I can NOT do that if one antenna points to the other one. :) On CQP county expeditions, we run CW and SSB on the same band each with a K3 driving a KPA500. Separation is roughly 200 ft on 20-10, and about 300 ft on 80 and 40, and those antennas are all carefully located so that when aimed to the east coast, they are inline as described. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu May 14 00:34:27 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:34:27 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: References: <00af01d08de2$e646f680$b2d4e380$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <520A4E68-9E96-486C-85F6-0A6D7CEF126D@gmail.com> Sport. It's the Sport model with a few more hp and better cornering. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 14, 2015, at 4:19 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > S = Special edition 200w k3 > > Just as corny as some other musings.....:-) > > Or if you like "i have absolutely no clue" > > Chuckle > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 14/05/2015 11:12 AM, "Dick Dickinson" wrote: >> >> Also, >> >> >> >> Didn't Elecraft show off those two SS amps (precursors to the KPA500) at >> Dayton and they >> >> never did haven't yet become products. >> >> >> >> I wasn't at Dayton for that amp display a number of years ago but there has >> been a lot of talk >> >> about it here on this news reflector over the recent years. >> >> >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Dick - KA5KKT >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu May 14 01:13:18 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:13:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) two K3's operating on same band In-Reply-To: <55541395.5070001@verizon.net> Message-ID: Like Jim, the WVARA field day operation runs multiple K3s on the same band. We often have a SSB, CW and digital station all on the same band. Two important differences: We run QRP. We often run several bands on the same antenna with a splitter. As far as I know, you need separate antennas for each radio. You might be able to use the same antenna if you had 120+db filters ala VHF/UHF repeaters. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/14/15 at 8:16 PM, rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) wrote: >I have regularly read comments from various contest operations >to the effect that two K3's can be operated on the same band >[with common sense frequency separation]. This is due to the >rig's excellent ability to reject adjacent channel signals. Any >comments on this point? > >Assuming such operation is possible, does this require separate antennas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu May 14 01:17:28 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:17:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? Message-ID: Perhaps a red herring, but the Shipping Status page shows: 5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this period will then ship based on their order date when we resume shipping. This delay covers the K3/0, K3/10, and K3/100. The good news for me is my order for the new synth should ship before field day. YMMV, 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 01:27:31 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 00:27:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Perhaps a red herring, but the Shipping Status page shows: > > 5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this period will then ship based on their order date when we resume shipping. > > This delay covers the K3/0, K3/10, and K3/100. > Maybe it?s the new dial e?S"cutcheon ;-) Grant NQ5T From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu May 14 01:42:58 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:42:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555435E2.2060104@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> K3S as in "short" -- short an important part to be sent later? On 5/13/2015 10:17 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > 5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. There will be > approximately a 3 week delay until new parts arrive and shipments resume. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 14 02:31:27 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 23:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5554413F.3060303@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote: > I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot to be > desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio was heavily > weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC From droese at necg.de Thu May 14 06:38:59 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:38:59 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55547B43.5000606@necg.de> > The display implies it has a built-in USB interface. Huh? Guys, you are reading too much into things which are not there. ;-) The USB on the display is USB modulation = SSB chosen, not more, not less. Better compare to your K3's/KX3's ... Boy, what a little teasing can do to this mailing list. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA From pa3a at xs4all.nl Thu May 14 06:49:29 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:49:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Update In-Reply-To: <55547B43.5000606@necg.de> References: <1431514412154-7602600.post@n2.nabble.com> <59400.71.74.118.201.1431517008.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2105880345.1203129.1431523234205.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431565285756-7602674.post@n2.nabble.com> <55547B43.5000606@necg.de> Message-ID: <55547DB9.6030801@xs4all.nl> It looks like a weatherproof K3. More ruggedized. 73 Arie PA3A From g7ddn at g7ddn.com Thu May 14 08:28:34 2015 From: g7ddn at g7ddn.com (Chris G7DDN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:28:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] New product at Dayton - news? Message-ID: <1FD15096-F90C-4718-B881-C6B21F5F4720@g7ddn.com> Here in the UK we are told to await an update to the Waters and Stanton website after 16:00 (15:00 UTC)? ...but the word on the street is that this is a "significant performance upgrade" to the K3 and, yes, it will be retrofittable! From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 14 08:42:55 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:42:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT References: Message-ID: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> > From: Eric Swartz > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 AM EDT. > > For the live video stream see: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > > Fun times! > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > >> From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM Thu May 14 09:01:23 2015 From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:01:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Anyone getting any audio..?? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > From: Eric Swartz > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 AM EDT. > > For the live video stream see: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > > Fun times! > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com From droese at necg.de Thu May 14 09:02:24 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:02:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New product at Dayton - news? In-Reply-To: <1FD15096-F90C-4718-B881-C6B21F5F4720@g7ddn.com> References: <1FD15096-F90C-4718-B881-C6B21F5F4720@g7ddn.com> Message-ID: <55549CE0.3030204@necg.de> Maybe they put the KX3 DSP into a new frontpanel for the K3 ... would make perfect sense as the KX3's DSP is much much better than that in the K3 ... 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 14.05.2015 um 14:28 schrieb Chris G7DDN: > Here in the UK we are told to await an update to the Waters and Stanton website after 16:00 (15:00 UTC)? > > ...but the word on the street is that this is a "significant performance upgrade" to the K3 and, yes, it will be retrofittable! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:05:18 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:05:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: No not yet Frank KG9H > On May 14, 2015, at 8:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. >> >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From jim at jtmiller.com Thu May 14 09:05:47 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. jim ab3cv On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > > > From: Eric Swartz > > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > > > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. > > > > For the live video stream see: > > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > > > > Fun times! > > > > 73, > > Eric > > elecraft.com > > _..._ > > > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 09:06:09 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:06:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <55549DC1.3080407@n4rp.com> Nope. And only a small part of the projections screen as well... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From kenk3iu at cox.net Thu May 14 09:06:52 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <55549DEC.6020504@cox.net> Not here... K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 5/14/2015 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From droese at necg.de Thu May 14 09:06:56 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:06:56 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <55549DF0.5020506@necg.de> No. :-( 73, Olli Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 14.05.2015 um 15:01 schrieb W4CCS: > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 09:10:17 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > > jim ab3cv > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> >>> From: Eric Swartz >>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >> AM EDT. >>> For the live video stream see: >>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>> >>> Fun times! >>> >>> 73, >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> _..._ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 09:12:52 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:12:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <55549F54.5050804@subich.com> No and the camera work is so bad there's nothing to see. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 > AM EDT. >> >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From stewart at twinwood.me Thu May 14 09:13:40 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:13:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2015514141340.778302@Shack> What a shame...Not the best way to launch a new product.. Stewart G3RXQ On Thu, 14 May 2015 09:05:47 -0400, Jim Miller wrote: > Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > > jim ab3cv > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> >> > From: Eric Swartz >> > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> > To: Elecraft Reflector >> > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> > >> > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >> AM EDT. >> > >> > For the live video stream see: >> > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> > >> > Fun times! >> > >> > 73, >> > Eric >> > elecraft.com >> > _..._ >> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From iz4afw at iz4afw.org Thu May 14 09:16:24 2015 From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:16:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: Probably they're uploading PDFs just now :) Fabio IZ4AFW 2015-05-14 15:10 GMT+02:00 Ross Primrose : > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >> >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Eric >>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> >>> From: Eric Swartz >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >>>> >>> AM EDT. >>> >>>> For the live video stream see: >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>> >>>> Fun times! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> _..._ >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the > minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > communications.? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 09:17:58 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <5554A086.8090203@n4rp.com> Live at: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf & http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 9:16 AM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote: > Probably they're uploading PDFs just now :) > > Fabio > IZ4AFW > > 2015-05-14 15:10 GMT+02:00 Ross Primrose >: > > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > > jim ab3cv > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS > wrote: > > Anyone getting any audio..?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > ] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream > today 8:55 AM EDT > > > From: Eric Swartz > > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 > min - About 8:55 - 9 > > AM EDT. > > For the live video stream see: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > > Fun times! > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use > the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > communications.? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > > -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From matt at nq6n.com Thu May 14 09:18:07 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549F54.5050804@subich.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549F54.5050804@subich.com> Message-ID: FIxed the URL: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > No and the camera work is so bad there's nothing to see. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2015-05-14 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> >> From: Eric Swartz >>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >>> >> AM EDT. >> >>> >>> For the live video stream see: >>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>> >>> Fun times! >>> >>> 73, >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> _..._ >>> >>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 09:18:25 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <5554A0A1.7070903@subich.com> Also on the main page. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 9:10 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >> >>> Anyone getting any audio..?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Eric >>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> >>>> From: Eric Swartz >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 >>>> - 9 >>> AM EDT. >>>> For the live video stream see: >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>> >>>> Fun times! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> _..._ >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From joseph.a.harris at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:18:38 2015 From: joseph.a.harris at gmail.com (Joe Harris) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549F54.5050804@subich.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549F54.5050804@subich.com> Message-ID: Here's some working links: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf Joe, N1QD On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > No and the camera work is so bad there's nothing to see. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2015-05-14 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> >> From: Eric Swartz >>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >>> >> AM EDT. >> >>> >>> For the live video stream see: >>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>> >>> Fun times! >>> >>> 73, >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> _..._ >>> >>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joseph.a.harris at gmail.com > -- Joe Harris, N1QD From matt at nq6n.com Thu May 14 09:19:07 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:19:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <2015514141340.778302@Shack> References: <2015514141340.778302@Shack> Message-ID: Fixed the other URL: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Stewart wrote: > What a shame...Not the best way to launch a new product.. > > Stewart G3RXQ > > On Thu, 14 May 2015 09:05:47 -0400, Jim Miller wrote: > > Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > > > > jim ab3cv > > > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > > > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Eric > >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > >> To: Elecraft Reflector > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > >> > >> > >> > From: Eric Swartz > >> > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > >> > To: Elecraft Reflector > >> > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > >> > > >> > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 > - 9 > >> AM EDT. > >> > > >> > For the live video stream see: > >> > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > >> > > >> > Fun times! > >> > > >> > 73, > >> > Eric > >> > elecraft.com > >> > _..._ > >> > > >> >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message > >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From martin at hs0zed.com Thu May 14 09:19:51 2015 From: martin at hs0zed.com (Martin Sole (HS0ZED)) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:19:51 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <5554A0F7.8050501@hs0zed.com> What with the bad live stream and the broken links you could be forgiven for thinking this is all being put together by a bunch of amateurs :) On 14/05/2015 16:10, Ross Primrose wrote: > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >> >>> Anyone getting any audio..?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >>> Of Eric >>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> >>>> From: Eric Swartz >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About >>>> 8:55 - 9 >>> AM EDT. >>>> For the live video stream see: >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>> >>>> Fun times! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> _..._ >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From matt at nq6n.com Thu May 14 09:21:13 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:21:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: These URLs work: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf and http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W wrote: > Probably they're uploading PDFs just now :) > > Fabio > IZ4AFW > > 2015-05-14 15:10 GMT+02:00 Ross Primrose : > > > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > > > 73, Ross N4RP > > > > > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > > >> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > >> > >> jim ab3cv > >> > >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: > >> > >> Anyone getting any audio..?? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > >>> Eric > >>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM > >>> To: Elecraft Reflector > >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Eric Swartz > >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT > >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector > >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT > >>>> > >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 > - 9 > >>>> > >>> AM EDT. > >>> > >>>> For the live video stream see: > >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test > >>>> > >>>> Fun times! > >>>> > >>>> 73, > >>>> Eric > >>>> elecraft.com > >>>> _..._ > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message > >>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the > > minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > > communications.? > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to iz4afw at iz4afw.org > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:21:17 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:21:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Message-ID: Severe let down! 73 Ken - K0PP From nwgarner at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:20:44 2015 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 06:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> <55549EB9.7010300@n4rp.com> Message-ID: Working links: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf Nick On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > At http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm there are now links to a K3S > datasheet & FAQ, but they give a 404 error at this point... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > > On 5/14/2015 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. >> >> jim ab3cv >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >> >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Eric >>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> >>> From: Eric Swartz >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >>>> >>> AM EDT. >>> >>>> For the live video stream see: >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>> >>>> Fun times! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> _..._ >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the > minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > communications.? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From nf4l at comcast.net Thu May 14 09:25:05 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly and only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 14, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > >> From: Eric Swartz >> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 AM EDT. >> >> For the live video stream see: >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> >> Fun times! >> >> 73, >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From n3wg at pignology.net Thu May 14 09:28:58 2015 From: n3wg at pignology.net (Nick Garner) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 06:28:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Pignology Dayton Sale Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Pignology will be at Dayton again this year with Sierra Radio Systems and our new joint project, Packtenna. Products for sale at the show will be discounted and this discount will be extended to the shop at http://shop.pignology.net. If you'll be at the show, stop by Booth 407 in Ball Arena to say hi! http://pignology.net http://blog.pignology.net/2015/05/hamvention-2015-location.html http://packtenna.com 73, Nick N3WG From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM Thu May 14 09:37:03 2015 From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:37:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02bb01d08e4b$0ff6d370$2fe47a50$@W4CCS.COM> Anything on the P3 transmit monitor ? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Severe let down! 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com From dave at onitap.com Thu May 14 09:37:43 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm Is now showing the K3S -Dave ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G Kopp Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Severe let down! 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 09:40:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:40:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <2015514141340.778302@Shack> Message-ID: <5554A5B7.10806@subich.com> Still no information on the P3 TX Monitor - no documentation, no order link. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 9:19 AM, Matt Murphy wrote: > Fixed the other URL: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Stewart wrote: > >> What a shame...Not the best way to launch a new product.. >> >> Stewart G3RXQ >> >> On Thu, 14 May 2015 09:05:47 -0400, Jim Miller wrote: >>> Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. >>> >>> jim ab3cv >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone getting any audio..?? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Eric >>>> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Eric Swartz >>>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>>> >>>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 >> - 9 >>>> AM EDT. >>>>> >>>>> For the live video stream see: >>>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>>> >>>>> Fun times! >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Eric >>>>> elecraft.com >>>>> _..._ >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message >>>> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:40:37 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:40:37 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Data sheet does ot say upgrade older k3 models or did i miss something? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 14/05/2015 11:34 PM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: > Severe let down! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From dave at onitap.com Thu May 14 09:48:27 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:48:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> References: , <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> Message-ID: <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> Check the data sheet: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring The P3?s bright, full - color LCD has both spectral and waterfall displays, and new optional TX metering and signal envelope monitoring. The P3 has a faster sweep rate and better sensitivity than most built - in panadapters. Tap to QSY to any signal. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of David Patino Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:37 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm Is now showing the K3S -Dave ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G Kopp Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Severe let down! 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:51:50 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould, K8WXA) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880767B2-0B3A-4522-A69A-5162056920B0@gmail.com> From what I could tell, some upgrades are, others are not. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 OMISS # 9948 4SQRP # 990 This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses > On May 14, 2015, at 09:40, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Data sheet does ot say upgrade older k3 models or did i miss something? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >> On 14/05/2015 11:34 PM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: >> >> Severe let down! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com From martin at hs0zed.com Thu May 14 09:55:11 2015 From: martin at hs0zed.com (Martin Sole (HS0ZED)) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:55:11 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554A93F.6010409@hs0zed.com> Seems you can upgrade bits but not the whole thing If all the older "modules" are retro fit-able I can see quite a few K3/10 barebones radios making it to the e... site in coming months. On 14/05/2015 16:40, Gary Gregory wrote: > Data sheet does ot say upgrade older k3 models or did i miss something? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 14/05/2015 11:34 PM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: > >> Severe let down! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to martin at hs0zed.com > From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 09:55:30 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> On 5/14/2015 9:25 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly and only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. > 73, Mike NF4L Quit your whining. If it'd been any other manufacturer, NONE of the bits would be available as a retrofit... 73, Ross N4RP > > >> On May 14, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> >> >>> From: Eric Swartz >>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>> >>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 AM EDT. >>> >>> For the live video stream see: >>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>> >>> Fun times! >>> >>> 73, >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> _..._ >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net Thu May 14 09:56:09 2015 From: jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net (Jonathan Cullifer) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> Message-ID: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Order page updated as well. Looks like prices went up fairly significantly. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, David Patino wrote: > Check the data sheet: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf > > P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring > The P3?s bright, full - color LCD has both spectral and waterfall > displays, and new optional TX metering and signal envelope monitoring. The > P3 has a faster sweep rate and better sensitivity than most built - in > panadapters. > Tap to QSY to any signal. > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of David > Patino > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:37 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm > > Is now showing the K3S > > -Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G Kopp > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > Severe let down! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net > From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 09:56:28 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:56:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554A98C.10001@n4rp.com> What is/isn't upgradeable is covered in the FAQ sheet... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 9:40 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Data sheet does ot say upgrade older k3 models or did i miss something? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 14/05/2015 11:34 PM, "Ken G Kopp" wrote: > >> Severe let down! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM Thu May 14 09:57:59 2015 From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> References: , <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> Message-ID: <02c201d08e4d$fcdf4120$f69dc360$@W4CCS.COM> No, I saw that.. What I was asking ( although not very well ) was upgrade availability and pricing on the P3 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Patino Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Check the data sheet: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring The P3's bright, full - color LCD has both spectral and waterfall displays, and new optional TX metering and signal envelope monitoring. The P3 has a faster sweep rate and better sensitivity than most built - in panadapters. Tap to QSY to any signal. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of David Patino Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:37 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm Is now showing the K3S -Dave ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G Kopp Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Severe let down! 73 Ken - K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu May 14 10:00:08 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:00:08 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> Message-ID: Whining? Really? Good grief that didnt take long Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 14/05/2015 11:58 PM, "Ross Primrose" wrote: > On 5/14/2015 9:25 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly and >> only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. >> 73, Mike NF4L >> > > Quit your whining. If it'd been any other manufacturer, NONE of the bits > would be available as a retrofit... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > >> >> On May 14, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < >>> eric at elecraft.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Eric Swartz >>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>> >>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - >>>> 9 AM EDT. >>>> >>>> For the live video stream see: >>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>> >>>> Fun times! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com >>>> _..._ >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the > minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > communications.? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From k1uo at tds.net Thu May 14 10:01:43 2015 From: k1uo at tds.net (k1uo-Larry) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:01:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Message-ID: <1431612103316-7602733.post@n2.nabble.com> I see on the Elecraft order page the K3 has been replaced by the K3S... What, if any, is the difference? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-tp7602733.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at onitap.com Thu May 14 10:07:55 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:07:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com>, Message-ID: <1431612422493.11535@onitap.com> Welp, guess I have to stick with my kx3 for portable and icom 7200 for base station. Oh well. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Jonathan Cullifer Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:56 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Order page updated as well. Looks like prices went up fairly significantly. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, David Patino wrote: > Check the data sheet: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf > > P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring > The P3?s bright, full - color LCD has both spectral and waterfall > displays, and new optional TX metering and signal envelope monitoring. The > P3 has a faster sweep rate and better sensitivity than most built - in > panadapters. > Tap to QSY to any signal. > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of David > Patino > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:37 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm > > Is now showing the K3S > > -Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G Kopp > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > Severe let down! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com From raysills3 at verizon.net Thu May 14 10:10:51 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:10:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> Message-ID: The UStream issues could be due to many causes. And, let's not complain about a service that isn't costing us something extra to view. If we were paying to view, then the crew might be able to arrive on site earlier to iron out any issues. And, Elecraft has nothing to do with the streaming, other than being one of the vendors there. Disappointing that the webcast isn't working up to speed, sure... but, at this point, they could concentrate on getting the presentations recorded properly for future viewing. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 14, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > On 5/14/2015 9:25 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly >> and only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. >> 73, Mike NF4L > > Quit your whining. If it'd been any other manufacturer, NONE of the > bits would be available as a retrofit... > > 73, Ross N4RP From k1uo at tds.net Thu May 14 10:12:11 2015 From: k1uo at tds.net (k1uo-Larry) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:12:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <1431612103316-7602733.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431612103316-7602733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431612731788-7602738.post@n2.nabble.com> Never mind.... found the FAQs and Manual Info. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-tp7602733p7602738.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 10:14:05 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:14:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <02c201d08e4d$fcdf4120$f69dc360$@W4CCS.COM> References: , <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <02c201d08e4d$fcdf4120$f69dc360$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <5554ADAD.1@socal.rr.com> The day is young:-) Maybe on the order page? Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 6:57 AM, W4CCS wrote: > No, I saw that.. What I was asking ( although not very well ) was upgrade > availability and pricing on the P3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David > Patino > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:48 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > Check the data sheet: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf > > P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring The P3's bright, full - color LCD > has both spectral and waterfall displays, and new optional TX metering and > signal envelope monitoring. The P3 has a faster sweep rate and better > sensitivity than most built - in panadapters. > Tap to QSY to any signal. From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu May 14 10:17:19 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:17:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554A952.4080805@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <9FBEBA28-5C09-4F89-9F0F-1C4D17D76786@gmail.com> Folks, while I was there as well listening to the commercials? Elecraft did not put this on, right? This is a FREE service, let?s hope it is corrected for the next few. Frank KG9H > On May 14, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Whining? Really? > > Good grief that didnt take long > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 14/05/2015 11:58 PM, "Ross Primrose" > wrote: > >> On 5/14/2015 9:25 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >>> That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly and >>> only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. >>> 73, Mike NF4L >>> >> >> Quit your whining. If it'd been any other manufacturer, NONE of the bits >> would be available as a retrofit... >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> >> >>> >>> On May 14, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < >>>> eric at elecraft.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Eric Swartz >>>>> Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>>> Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >>>>> >>>>> I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - >>>>> 9 AM EDT. >>>>> >>>>> For the live video stream see: >>>>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >>>>> >>>>> Fun times! >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Eric >>>>> elecraft.com >>>>> _..._ >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the >> minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired >> communications.? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 10:12:25 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <1431612103316-7602733.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431612103316-7602733.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5554AD49.3050709@n4rp.com> See the Elecraft website for details... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 10:01 AM, k1uo-Larry wrote: > I see on the Elecraft order page the K3 has been replaced by the K3S... > What, if any, is the difference? > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-tp7602733.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 14 10:23:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! Message-ID: Check out the new Rig! George NE2I http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 14 10:34:55 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:34:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Odd KX3 Behavior In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is changeable, but not intuitive to find. From the manual: The KX3 can automatically offset the VFO frequency when you switch from SSB to CW mode, so other stations will hear the correct CW pitch. See MENU:CW WGHT for details. Under the CW WGHT info on Page 37: You are looking for the VFO offset setting : Tap 5 to select automatic VFO offset on SSB/CW mode change (VFO OFS) or no offset (VFO NOR, default). Automatic offset is often used on 6 meters, where mixed-mode QSOs are necessary during fading. Note: Pitch matching will be more accurate if USB is paired with CW REV, and LSB with CW normal. Hope that helps! 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 14 May 2015, at 03:22, Joshua Gould wrote: > > I think I might have done something... > > If I'm on 7.184 LSB, and I hit mode to go go CW, the radio goes to > 7.184.540. It only does this between SSB and CW. > > What button did I push? > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3 # 7480 > > NAQCC # 7704 > OMISS # 9948 > 4sqrp # 990 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From no9e at arrl.net Thu May 14 10:38:40 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:38:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Interesting. I wonder whether CW keying can be done via USB, like with the serial port now. Currently, KUSB can control both CAT and CW keying. If USB only does CAT, one needs another interface and cable. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3S-Elecraft-web-page-tp7602744p7602746.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu May 14 10:42:51 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 07:42:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431614571607-7602747.post@n2.nabble.com> Bunch of Amateurs... ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602747.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 14 11:03:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Message-ID: <203321.3bc17cb8.42861339@aol.com> The K3S data sheet and FAQ have been posted to the Elecraft web site. From WB4SON at gmail.com Thu May 14 11:03:00 2015 From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:03:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It would be silly for the USB not to do everything the original RS232 interface could do -- so I am sure that you can do rig control plus CW via the same commands that worked before. The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out is VERY exciting. Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can purchase a new I/O card and get that feature as well. 73, Bob, WB4SON On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Ignacy wrote: > Interesting. > > I wonder whether CW keying can be done via USB, like with the serial port > now. Currently, KUSB can control both CAT and CW keying. If USB only does > CAT, one needs another interface and cable. > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3S-Elecraft-web-page-tp7602744p7602746.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb4son at gmail.com > From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu May 14 11:05:29 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5554B9B9.5090600@gmail.com> In a word, yes. 73, Lyle KK7P > I wonder whether CW keying can be done via USB, like with the serial port > now. From raysills3 at verizon.net Thu May 14 11:08:38 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:08:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <203321.3bc17cb8.42861339@aol.com> References: <203321.3bc17cb8.42861339@aol.com> Message-ID: <62BF8A5C-7984-4E6F-80EA-A1D93B619471@verizon.net> Hi Ray: Now..... you have the only other callsign that I would consider for my own. Glad it's taken by another "Ray". :) 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 14, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote: > The K3S data sheet and FAQ have been posted to the Elecraft web site. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 11:11:22 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:11:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5554BB1A.3070304@n4rp.com> It certainly seems that one could according to the FAQ, but only time will tell. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 11:03 AM, Bob wrote: > The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out is VERY exciting. > > Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can purchase a new I/O card and > get that feature as well. > -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From n7rjn at nobis.net Thu May 14 11:13:05 2015 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Per the Elecraft K3S FAQ, the new KIO3B will be available for K3 owners later this year. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On May 14, 2015, at 08:03, Bob wrote: > > It would be silly for the USB not to do everything the original RS232 > interface could do -- so I am sure that you can do rig control plus CW via > the same commands that worked before. > > The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out is VERY exciting. > > Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can purchase a new I/O card and > get that feature as well. > > 73, Bob, WB4SON > > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Ignacy wrote: > >> Interesting. >> >> I wonder whether CW keying can be done via USB, like with the serial port >> now. Currently, KUSB can control both CAT and CW keying. If USB only does >> CAT, one needs another interface and cable. >> Ignacy, NO9E >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3S-Elecraft-web-page-tp7602744p7602746.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wb4son at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From softblue at windstream.net Thu May 14 11:19:20 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:19:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - I/Q? Message-ID: <002801d08e59$59d1ce60$0d756b20$@windstream.net> .had hoped for I/Q output for computer-based Pan display software. Perhaps that can be handled via the new USB..? .any thoughts? Dick - KA5KKT From dave at nk7z.net Thu May 14 11:22:18 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431616938.14866.126.camel@nostromo.nk7z> I would hope Elecraft will make available the ability to upgrade... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 11:03 -0400, Bob wrote: > It would be silly for the USB not to do everything the original RS232 > interface could do -- so I am sure that you can do rig control plus CW via > the same commands that worked before. > > The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out is VERY exciting. > > Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can purchase a new I/O card and > get that feature as well. > > 73, Bob, WB4SON > > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Ignacy wrote: > > > Interesting. > > > > I wonder whether CW keying can be done via USB, like with the serial port > > now. Currently, KUSB can control both CAT and CW keying. If USB only does > > CAT, one needs another interface and cable. > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-K3S-Elecraft-web-page-tp7602744p7602746.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wb4son at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 11:22:47 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: <5554BB1A.3070304@n4rp.com> References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> <5554BB1A.3070304@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <5554BDC7.6020005@socal.rr.com> The order page may provide that info: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 8:11 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > It certainly seems that one could according to > the FAQ, but only time will tell. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/14/2015 11:03 AM, Bob wrote: >> The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out >> is VERY exciting. >> >> Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can >> purchase a new I/O card and >> get that feature as well. >> > From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 14 11:29:39 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <02a501d08e46$14a75570$3df60050$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <175C752D-4426-45D3-B631-BDA95FB430F1@elecraft.com> Unfortunately the FDIM folks had a problem with their live feed of my talk. They do have it on recorded video though and they will post this soon. I will post a link here when it is ready. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 14, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > Not hitting the screen fully and no audio here. > > jim ab3cv > >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:01 AM, W4CCS wrote: >> Anyone getting any audio..?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:43 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> >> >> > From: Eric Swartz >> > Date: May 14, 2015 at 8:41:34 AM EDT >> > To: Elecraft Reflector >> > Subject: WA6HHQ FDIM Talk Live Stream today 8:55 AM EDT >> > >> > I will be starting my DAYTON talk today in about 20 min - About 8:55 - 9 >> AM EDT. >> > >> > For the live video stream see: >> > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/g4gxl-test >> > >> > Fun times! >> > >> > 73, >> > Eric >> > elecraft.com >> > _..._ >> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM Thu May 14 11:35:06 2015 From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:35:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! In-Reply-To: <5554BDC7.6020005@socal.rr.com> References: <1431614320796-7602746.post@n2.nabble.com> <5554BB1A.3070304@n4rp.com> <5554BDC7.6020005@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <02cc01d08e5b$8dbc7250$a93556f0$@W4CCS.COM> Thanks.. My order is in for the P3TX monitor.. W4CCS -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:23 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Elecraft web page! The order page may provide that info: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 8:11 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > It certainly seems that one could according to the FAQ, but only time > will tell. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/14/2015 11:03 AM, Bob wrote: >> The addition of the soundcard for audio in/out is VERY exciting. >> >> Now my hope is that an existing K3 owner can purchase a new I/O card >> and get that feature as well. >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 11:39:02 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:39:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor Message-ID: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> I just read the FAQ describing the new P3 Transmit monitor feature and from what I read I see NOTHING about being able to use my existing W2 monitoring sensor with the new P3 transmit monitor feature. It seemed like such a logical reuse of existing equipment. It may be too early, but I didn?t find any way to order just the new P3 adapter board by itself. I would hope that the adapter board, the cable, and the sensor are all individually priced with the existing W2 sensors being reusable. Did I overlook something or assume too much? 73, phil, K7PEH From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 14 11:48:08 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431614571607-7602747.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431614571607-7602747.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <70CB7C0C-5D50-401F-8F63-CDA40A846621@elecraft.com> The FDIM forum had a glitch with their live video feed. I wad the first presenter and was their test case ;-) Fortunately they have it recorded. I will post here when they have the link up to the web video. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 14, 2015, at 10:42 AM, ke9uw wrote: > > Bunch of Amateurs... > > > > > ----- > Chuck, KE9UW > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602747.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM Thu May 14 11:53:06 2015 From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor In-Reply-To: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> References: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> Message-ID: <02db01d08e5e$11fba980$35f2fc80$@W4CCS.COM> The new adapter is included FREE with the upgrade.. Should not be an issue.. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:39 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor I just read the FAQ describing the new P3 Transmit monitor feature and from what I read I see NOTHING about being able to use my existing W2 monitoring sensor with the new P3 transmit monitor feature. It seemed like such a logical reuse of existing equipment. It may be too early, but I didn?t find any way to order just the new P3 adapter board by itself. I would hope that the adapter board, the cable, and the sensor are all individually priced with the existing W2 sensors being reusable. Did I overlook something or assume too much? 73, phil, K7PEH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com From edauer at law.du.edu Thu May 14 11:53:33 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:53:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 TX Monitoring Message-ID: The P3 TX Monitor info is on the website as well. Looks like they made as much as possible of the K3S retrofittable to the K3. Neat stuff. Now we get to line up at the candy store. My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 won?t show on the SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isn?t just a mirror of the display . . . ? Ted, KN1CBR > >Message: 22 >Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:12:25 -0400 >From: Ross Primrose >To: k1uo-Larry , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S >Message-ID: <5554AD49.3050709 at n4rp.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >See the Elecraft website for details... > >73, Ross N4RP > >On 5/14/2015 10:01 AM, k1uo-Larry wrote: >> I see on the Elecraft order page the K3 has been replaced by the K3S... >> What, if any, is the difference? From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu May 14 11:53:42 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 power monitor Message-ID: <858c9ftesemss2ta7dcqr40e.1431618822568@email.android.com> Just completed my order for the new P3TXMON. Now to see how long till it arrives.? Harlan?NC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone From kj9b at arrl.net Thu May 14 12:03:30 2015 From: kj9b at arrl.net (Ken Bandy, KJ9B) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> Message-ID: <051001d08e5f$85f30d00$91d92700$@arrl.net> Yeah, this just made my decision easier on whether to purchase a K3 as a complementary rig to my Eagle. I was pushing the "financial envelope" before the K3s upgrade. The extra $500 tipped the scales. I think I'll go with another Eagle, and make up a T/R switch to be able to use the second Eagle as "split" receiver. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cullifer Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:56 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Order page updated as well. Looks like prices went up fairly significantly. From jbollit at outlook.com Thu May 14 12:25:04 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431612422493.11535@onitap.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com>, <1431612422493.11535@onitap.com> Message-ID: Yep, and you will also wait for the Icom 8200SS, which will cost you $3-$5 kilobucks AND still not match the Elecraft solution. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Patino Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:08 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Welp, guess I have to stick with my kx3 for portable and icom 7200 for base station. Oh well. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Jonathan Cullifer Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:56 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3 Order page updated as well. Looks like prices went up fairly significantly. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, David Patino wrote: > Check the data sheet: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf > > P3 Panadapter now with Transmit Monitoring The P3's bright, full - > color LCD has both spectral and waterfall displays, and new optional > TX metering and signal envelope monitoring. The > P3 has a faster sweep rate and better sensitivity than most built - in > panadapters. > Tap to QSY to any signal. > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of David > Patino > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:37 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm > > Is now showing the K3S > > -Dave > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Ken G > Kopp > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 8:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > Severe let down! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dave at onitap.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jonathan+elecraft at atlserver.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dave at onitap.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:27:05 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Severe let down! > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:33:38 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Message-ID: My "Severe let down" comment was --only-- in reference to the non-functioning video link to Eric's FDIM talk ... nothing more. If one were contemplating buying a K3, it seems that the price for a K3s isn't much different. I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close. 73! Ken K0PP - K0PP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy > the newest > retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Severe let down! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 12:36:57 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:36:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554CF29.30607@socal.rr.com> It seems the K3S is an improvement in some areas, but I wonder how much, really? The K3 will stay near the top of the heap in the Sherwood table, to be sure. Some of the upgrades can be added to our K3s, if we so desire. The advent of the K3S has not made my K3 worse than it was yesterday; it just may not be quite the "Best", perhaps by just an iota. Perhaps I'm inadequately sensitive, but I don't find it to be "a sad day". Just think how we'd feel if instead of a K3S there had been an *all new* K4. 73, Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the > newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Severe let down! >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 14 12:39:52 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:39:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <051001d08e5f$85f30d00$91d92700$@arrl.net> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <051001d08e5f$85f30d00$91d92700$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5554CFD8.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,5/14/2015 9:03 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Yeah, this just made my decision easier on whether to purchase a K3 as a complementary rig to my Eagle. I was pushing the "financial envelope" before the K3s upgrade. Don't rule out a used K3, Ken. This announcement insures that there will be some around. :) Not mine, though -- I've already bought the Synth upgrade to three K3s, and may upgrade the I/O and preamp. Think about this, Ken -- for any other mfr, a new rig like this would obsolete the previous model. With Elecraft, we'll be able to upgrade pieces of it that we care about for a fraction of the cost. The new synth board, for example, costs about $200 and is easy to install. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:40:23 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:40:23 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554CFF7.4080905@gmail.com> I wouldn't say this. First, the performance improvements are small, especially if you already have the new synth. Second, most of the new parts can be purchased as upgrades to the K3. True, the resale value of a K3 has gone down, but if it's a 'retirement rig' then that doesn't matter. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 14 May 2015 19:27, Gerald Manthey wrote: > ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the > newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. From jbollit at outlook.com Thu May 14 12:40:39 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:40:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: <5554413F.3060303@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5554413F.3060303@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, I am a CW op. No need for broadcast audio performance. Just fewer artifacts and hiss to my ears. I run Sweepstakes CW and am more fatigued with the K3 than the TS-590 after Sweepers. If I add an outboard Timewave DSP-599ZX to the audio path, this combination sounds great to me and do not have the fatigue factor. Sorry I can't back this up with hard engineering figures, but my ears do not like the audio (again just plain old CW with 250 Hz roofing filter and DSP at 200 Hz). As a retired engineer in audio, you are well aware of people's perception on audio and there are times you just can't put an engineering figure on all the stuff associated with perceived audio. I am going as far as sending the rig back to Elecraft for them to have a look at it, out of warranty, to see if there is an issue with just my rig. BTW, great work on the TX bandwidth info. It "smoked out some of incorrect "feelings" that existed. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:31 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote: > I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot > to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio > was heavily weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:41:42 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:41:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> If you read the FAQ page, it looks like most if not all of it will be retrofit-able. Functionally it appears that the K3S will add little, with the exception of the improved DSP boards. New Features: The USB interface (control and audio) requires the new IO unit but uses RJ45 for serial data (and audio) so new cables are required. Most RJ45 need to be occasionally exercised (un/re-inserted) to 'wipe' the connector pins, even with gold plus the locking pins tend to be fragile when exposed to extended warmth (the plastic dries out). While this is of some interest to me, what I'm using now (external sound card) works flawlessly so I won't spend $xxx to simply reduce the cable count (delete RS-232 and audio cables, add USB). If you do make the change, you'll need (available, another $xx) a cable to talk to the P3 to keep what you have. New DSP board. Safe bet says it'll fit the K3 too but $xxx (times two for KRX3) It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. The K3 is no longer available, only the K3S, effective now. The VFO A knob (presumably the bezel too) can be changed. Softer feel knob. So it's functionally the same as the K3, but most of the usual add-ons are now internal (the pre-amp). Since I have most of them already, the only new item of interest to me is the TX monitor with perhaps the VFO knob (wish they had made it weighted, with a clutch for faster QSY). Swapping out the IO board simply to reduce cable clutter isn't worth the expense and with other cabling already there, it won't eliminate the cable clutter much. Will it devalue the K3? Since the essentials are the same, not likely but some will sell theirs to keep the latest, greatest thus creating a bump in the market. On the plus side, making more (older) K3's available will keep the bands slightly cleaner since they transmit cleaner than most other brands. ;o) For remote ops, it would be nice(r) had they also added a command for power ON, but that violates the low power 'policy' of Elecraft (the CPU staying on would increase the drain in 'off' mode). If the power fails while you're remote, an external means (IP switch or someone in the shack) is the only current means of turning the radio on. **If the timer function were made 'sticky' (repeat every XX minutes) it would certainly help (minimum down time XX minutes) without requiring external sources for power on.** The K3S is functionally the same as the K3 (with options made internal) but with different packaging. The interesting point will be the price since some of those options (PR6-10) are not 'free' on the original K3. If the optional costs are incorporated into the K3S price, it means the entry level system is a higher price, perhaps enough to 'challenge' some budgets. Knowing the folks at Elecraft, I'm sure the marketing has been fully examined, but a more basic K3S will cost more (they can't toss in the options for free). That's the quick review, but won't likely stop the weeks of bantering about to occur. 73, Rick wa6nhc On 5/14/2015 6:25 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > That was disappointing on 2 levels. The UStream show failed badly and only bits of the K3 S are a retrofit. > 73, Mike NF4L From jbollit at outlook.com Thu May 14 12:50:34 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:50:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <03d001d08cb6$22fc7010$68f55030$@arrl.net> <55522594.2060201@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5554413F.3060303@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I just noticed there is a planned change to the audio chain that will be available in the future. Not sure if I should wait to send the rig in (boxed up with return auth from Elecraft, and was going to take to shipper today) now, or wait until the new audio board is available. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:41 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction Jim, I am a CW op. No need for broadcast audio performance. Just fewer artifacts and hiss to my ears. I run Sweepstakes CW and am more fatigued with the K3 than the TS-590 after Sweepers. If I add an outboard Timewave DSP-599ZX to the audio path, this combination sounds great to me and do not have the fatigue factor. Sorry I can't back this up with hard engineering figures, but my ears do not like the audio (again just plain old CW with 250 Hz roofing filter and DSP at 200 Hz). As a retired engineer in audio, you are well aware of people's perception on audio and there are times you just can't put an engineering figure on all the stuff associated with perceived audio. I am going as far as sending the rig back to Elecraft for them to have a look at it, out of warranty, to see if there is an issue with just my rig. BTW, great work on the TX bandwidth info. It "smoked out some of incorrect "feelings" that existed. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:31 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Introduction On Wed,5/13/2015 7:51 PM, jim wrote: > I believe Rob's list is sorted on close signal receive performance. Exactly right. And my work has keyed on TX bandwidth. For all practical purposes, Rob has not looked at TX. Yes, there are MANY other features and specs that define a rig. Elecraft has chosen the design compromises and ergonomics that work best for me. YMMV. :) > The K3 is the best radio I have had, however, the audio leaves a lot > to be desired. The K3 would not be my first choice if receive audio > was heavily weighted on my list of features. Hmmm. I'm retired from a career in pro audio, and I'm quite pleased with K3 audio. It's a communications radio, not a broadcast TX or RX. I own several very nice receivers for music and entertainment, and they cost me a LOT less than a K3 -- I don't need my K3 to do that. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 12:58:59 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor In-Reply-To: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> References: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> Message-ID: <5554D453.9060608@sonic.net> An older W2 wattmeter sensor works unmodified with the P3 sensor option, except that you don't get full bandwidth on the modulation envelope display. It would be fairly easy to modify an older sensor if you are comfortable working with surface-count components. It is just a matter of replacing several capacitors. On the other hand, I expect that most people will just buy a new sensor. After all, you still need one for your W2. Even if you sell the W2, the new buyer will need a sensor for it. Alan N1AL On 05/14/2015 08:39 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I just read the FAQ describing the new P3 Transmit monitor feature and from what I read I see NOTHING about being able to use my existing W2 monitoring sensor with the new P3 transmit monitor feature. It seemed like such a logical reuse of existing equipment. It may be too early, but I didn?t find any way to order just the new P3 adapter board by itself. > > I would hope that the adapter board, the cable, and the sensor are all individually priced with the existing W2 sensors being reusable. > > Did I overlook something or assume too much? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 13:00:33 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:00:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor In-Reply-To: <02db01d08e5e$11fba980$35f2fc80$@W4CCS.COM> References: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> <02db01d08e5e$11fba980$35f2fc80$@W4CCS.COM> Message-ID: <26D974B8-CA81-4ED3-AD20-A938F67CD7F9@mac.com> > The new adapter is included FREE with the upgrade.. Should not be an issue.. It doesn?t sound like your comment answers my question. I see that there are three components to the P3 TX monitoring thing: 1. New adapter which is installed inside the P3. 2. Transmitted signal sensor (for frequency and power rating) 3. Firmware update. Now, we know that item (3), the firmware update, is FREE. But, of items (1) and (2) I would only like to purchase the adapter (item 1) and reuse my existing W2 sensor which I already own (item 2). I see from the order sheet that the Elecraft part numbers for the P3 TX sensor and the W2 sensor are the same so I am assuming that maybe they are indeed the same. Maybe even use the same cable. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 14, 2015, at 8:53 AM, W4CCS wrote: > > > The new adapter is included FREE with the upgrade.. Should not be an issue.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:39 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor > > I just read the FAQ describing the new P3 Transmit monitor feature and from what I read I see NOTHING about being able to use my existing W2 monitoring sensor with the new P3 transmit monitor feature. It seemed like such a logical reuse of existing equipment. It may be too early, but I didn?t find any way to order just the new P3 adapter board by itself. > > I would hope that the adapter board, the cable, and the sensor are all individually priced with the existing W2 sensors being reusable. > > Did I overlook something or assume too much? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4ccs at w4ccs.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From wes at triconet.org Thu May 14 13:00:42 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:00:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554D4BA.4060204@triconet.org> Look on the bright side. There are going to be a lot of good used K3s (little s) on the market (likely including mine) at bargain prices. Wes N7WS On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the > newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. > > From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 13:04:20 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 TX Monitoring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77465A76-EDD2-46C1-B2F1-2DC48F7AB522@mac.com> > On May 14, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 won?t show on the > SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isn?t just a mirror of the > display . . . ? > > Ted, KN1CBR > I think the main reason that the P3 SVGA monitor does not show the TX signal is because the two items are totally separate with regard to signal source and processing. P3 SVGA ? signal source is the I/F interface from the K3 (K3s). TX Monitor ? signal source is the RF sensor. P3 SVGA ? processing is DSP on the signal to create frequency spectrum. TX Monitor ? processing may not use DSP if no frequency spectrum is offered (just time based). 73, phil, K7PEH From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu May 14 13:04:45 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:04:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and P3 TX Monitoring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The SVGA has always had a different display from the P3. For one thing, there is the decoded CW/digital at the bottom. Being able to TX monitor on the SVGA may be a future firmware upgrade for the SVGA. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/14/15 at 8:53 AM, edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) wrote: >My only disappointment is that TX monitoring in the P3 won?t show on the >SVGA monitor. I wonder why? I guess the SVGA isn?t just a mirror of the >display . . . ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Airline peanut bag: "Produced | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | in a facility that processes | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | peanuts and other nuts." - Duh | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kj9b at arrl.net Thu May 14 13:11:25 2015 From: kj9b at arrl.net (Ken Bandy, KJ9B) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <5554CFD8.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <051001d08e5f$85f30d00$91d92700$@arrl.net> <5554CFD8.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <051701d08e69$02cc2d30$08648790$@arrl.net> Thanks, Jim. Good point about the "upgradability". I'm sure Electraft makes a great radio, otherwise it would not be the "go to" rig for lots of DXpeditions. Unfortunately, it's pretty "spicey" for me at this point. I'll see what I can harvest from Dayton, and maybe just hold off on my decision for a while until the "orphaned" K3 rigs start showing up on the used market. 73, Ken, KJ9B -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk On Thu,5/14/2015 9:03 AM, Ken Bandy, KJ9B wrote: > Yeah, this just made my decision easier on whether to purchase a K3 as a complementary rig to my Eagle. I was pushing the "financial envelope" before the K3s upgrade. Don't rule out a used K3, Ken. This announcement insures that there will be some around. :) Not mine, though -- I've already bought the Synth upgrade to three K3s, and may upgrade the I/O and preamp. Think about this, Ken -- for any other mfr, a new rig like this would obsolete the previous model. With Elecraft, we'll be able to upgrade pieces of it that we care about for a fraction of the cost. The new synth board, for example, costs about $200 and is easy to install. 73, Jim K9YC From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 13:14:42 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:14:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <5554CF29.30607@socal.rr.com> References: <5554CF29.30607@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Phil, I agree with the scope of your comment. After reviewing the K3s feature list and the improvements, the only absolutely desired features by me that I definitely plan to order are: New Synth board and P3 TX monitoring (as soon as it is clear I can order the P3 internals only). The main other item that interests me is the improved audio but that is not a must have. As much as I would prefer USB for all connections to my computer, I would not buy the USB feature if it were offered all by itself. It does not resolve my problem of a myriad of USB to Serial adapter cables. The new front panel design and knob are nice but they do not change the behavior of the functioning of the K3 so I wouldn?t pay a penny to get those by themselves and they are not being offered anyway as an add-on. For a new purchase though, I am waiting for the K4Q model ? that is, the K4 future model including a quantum computer (actually the DSP FFT algorithm should be almost instantaneous with a quantum computer). Just kidding, I am in the midst of reading a great book on quantum computing: Quantum Computation and Quantum Information (Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1107002176/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=UD886Y6SWKEQ&coliid=IDV81UIVJQH1Y) 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > It seems the K3S is an improvement in some areas, but I wonder how much, really? The K3 will stay near the top of the heap in the Sherwood table, to be sure. Some of the upgrades can be added to our K3s, if we so desire. > > The advent of the K3S has not made my K3 worse than it was yesterday; it just may not be quite the "Best", perhaps by just an iota. > > Perhaps I'm inadequately sensitive, but I don't find it to be "a sad day". Just think how we'd feel if instead of a K3S there had been an *all new* K4. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 5/14/15 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >>> Severe let down! >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Ken - K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 13:17:43 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:17:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor In-Reply-To: <5554D453.9060608@sonic.net> References: <9BCD801F-210C-4232-81A5-53B163F74943@mac.com> <5554D453.9060608@sonic.net> Message-ID: <8C28ACB0-8FCE-4B38-8AB5-565DB9C4938E@mac.com> Alan, Thanks for the confirmation. I may consider buying the new sensor but as of right now, my W2 is not being used. After I purchased the LP-100A, I put the W2 and its sensor in my Elecraft drawer out in the garage. I doubt I would ever sell the W2 as the derived money would not be worth the effort of selling it. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 14, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Alan wrote: > > An older W2 wattmeter sensor works unmodified with the P3 sensor option, except that you don't get full bandwidth on the modulation envelope display. It would be fairly easy to modify an older sensor if you are comfortable working with surface-count components. It is just a matter of replacing several capacitors. > > On the other hand, I expect that most people will just buy a new sensor. After all, you still need one for your W2. Even if you sell the W2, the new buyer will need a sensor for it. > > Alan N1AL > > > On 05/14/2015 08:39 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I just read the FAQ describing the new P3 Transmit monitor feature and from what I read I see NOTHING about being able to use my existing W2 monitoring sensor with the new P3 transmit monitor feature. It seemed like such a logical reuse of existing equipment. It may be too early, but I didn?t find any way to order just the new P3 adapter board by itself. >> >> I would hope that the adapter board, the cable, and the sensor are all individually priced with the existing W2 sensors being reusable. >> >> Did I overlook something or assume too much? >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Thu May 14 13:17:55 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A SUPERB COMPANY ! Message-ID: <5554D8C3.80200@sunflower.com> I was not disappointed with the announcements/postings today. On the contrary, what a super day! I recently added the P3, SVG and SUB-RX to my K3. Still, I like the announcements today. What shows is a company that is constantly improving its product and trying hard to satisfy nearly everyone with as many upgrades as possible. That's backing up the customer! This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Now let's support the company! I'll give it some thought first, but now considering going from S02V to S02R. The new rig, of course, would be the K3S! Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From Mike.Carter at unh.edu Thu May 14 13:27:24 2015 From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:27:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S pricing comparison In-Reply-To: References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> Message-ID: <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it costs more than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently been mulling upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check the numbers. Had I started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit ($1600, rounded from former price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, which requires the KXV3A as well) and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs. At $2099 for the base K3S/10-K, I find that the new KXV3B module with 12-6 meter preamp is included as well as the new low-noise synthesizer. Thus, I would save $11 by ordering a new K3S rather than purchasing the additional modules to add the same functionality to my existing K3. I wonder if my XYL would buy that argument, especially if I forget to sell the old K3? I'm envious of all who are having a great time in Dayton - been years since I was able to get there! 73, Mike, K8CN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602783.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bnoblet at gmail.com Thu May 14 13:32:32 2015 From: bnoblet at gmail.com (Brad Noblet) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:32:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <5554D4BA.4060204@triconet.org> References: <5554D4BA.4060204@triconet.org> Message-ID: On Thursday, May 14, 2015, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Look on the bright side. There are going to be a lot of good used K3s > (little s) on the market (likely including mine) at bargain prices. > > Wes N7WS > > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy >> the >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bnoblet at gmail.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 13:39:06 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S pricing comparison In-Reply-To: <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5554DDBA.50609@n4rp.com> If you'd started from scratch, say, last week, you would have gotten the new synth as part of the radio... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote: > Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it costs more > than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently been mulling > upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check the numbers. Had I > started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit ($1600, rounded from former > price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, which requires the KXV3A as well) > and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs. > At $2099 for the base K3S/10-K, I find that the new KXV3B module with 12-6 > meter preamp is included as well as the new low-noise synthesizer. Thus, I > would save $11 by ordering a new K3S rather than purchasing the additional > modules to add the same functionality to my existing K3. I wonder if my XYL > would buy that argument, especially if I forget to sell the old K3? > > I'm envious of all who are having a great time in Dayton - been years since > I was able to get there! > > 73, > Mike, K8CN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602783.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From jim at jtmiller.com Thu May 14 13:41:12 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:41:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B Message-ID: So if I understand this correctly there is no need to order a KXV3B separately or a PR6 since both are now included standard in the K3S. Still haven't seen the CBLP3Y on the order list. Am I correct? 73 jim ab3cv From Mike.Carter at unh.edu Thu May 14 13:46:06 2015 From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:46:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S pricing comparison In-Reply-To: <5554DDBA.50609@n4rp.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> <5554DDBA.50609@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <1431625566296-7602787.post@n2.nabble.com> Right you are, Ross! I missed that golden window of real cost savings opportunity. Cheers, Mike, K8CN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602787.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu May 14 13:47:56 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:47:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> The KXV3B, included as part of the basic K3S, has the functionality of the KXV3A plus the PR6-10. You do not need to order it separately. Unlike the PR6-10, the KXV3B does not tie up any of the accessory plug digital I/O lines to turn the preamp on and off. 73, Lyle KK7P > So if I understand this correctly there is no need to order a KXV3B > separately or a PR6 since both are now included standard in the K3S. From ctate at ewnetinc.com Thu May 14 13:48:55 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net>, <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A63E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Agree with Rick on this.. Nice to have the USB, but its still a bit behind the tech curve. A functional ethernet port and maybe some more internal computation power along with IQ out would have been a better bet IMHO, Eliminating the RRC and integrating remote capability with the K3S to basically slam dunk the competition on their certain advantages.. These would be game changers. This hasn't happened yet and I would hope are slated for the true next gen rig. As far as I can see.. A lot of all this can be retrofitted into my existing K3, not all but most, including the USB interface. Can even get the knob rubber replaced when available. WIll probably end up with a K3S eventually anyway.. Elecraft has been such a great Radio company over the years and will continue to support them. My K3 is 7 now and has seen a LOT of action.. Appreciate being able to keep it somewhat cutting edge. Would have been much more excited to see the similar past aggressive engineering support to solve some challenges with the KX series (Like they did with the K3). There is enough info out there that says some kind of Elecraft supported heat dissipation solution is needed for both the KX3 and KXPA100. Needless to say.. nice refinements to the best of the best for Ham radio.. but no where near game changing. These are my babies and will remain part of my permanent collection K3 KPA500 KAT500 W2 X 2 KRC2 K3/0 with RRC set. Jury still out on my KX3 KXPA100 PX3 Love the portability.. not so happy with the heat performance issues particularly with digital modes.. even qrp. this is disappointing and somewhat out of character based on the K line engineering strategies of past. Wish they had on the radar KPA1000/1500 and if they dont want to go there..A full legal limit auto tuner. K4(?) a K series with more LAN/Remote/Remote PAN display support and with some of the small little goodies they put on the KX3. Just my ramblings and 2 cents. Still love Elecraft.. Want to keep it that way. GL to Elecraft in Dayton. Chris N6WM From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 14:45:13 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> References: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> Does the current K3 firmware support the KXV3B in the K3? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 1:47 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > The KXV3B, included as part of the basic K3S, has the functionality of > the KXV3A plus the PR6-10. You do not need to order it separately. > > Unlike the PR6-10, the KXV3B does not tie up any of the accessory plug > digital I/O lines to turn the preamp on and off. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > >> So if I understand this correctly there is no need to order a KXV3B >> separately or a PR6 since both are now included standard in the K3S. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From edauer at law.du.edu Thu May 14 14:49:47 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S, K3, and PR 6-10 Message-ID: Same opinion here. As another recent post said, my K3 is as good today as it was yesterday. Maybe, in fact, a little better - I can opt into the retrofittable goodies, or not, as I wish. One question has to do with the preamp (apparently equal to an internal PR6-10) which is, according to the K3S FAQs, usable on 6-10-12. I have a PR6-10 on my K3 and I find it very helpful on 15 meters as well ? and maybe even a little bit on 20, though that one I could be imagining. (On 40 and 80 it degrades the K3?s sensitivity, as expected.) The point is that with the existing outboard preamp I can select it in for 15M if I want it. I wonder if that will be true of the built-in as well? The FAQ sheet suggests maybe not. The built-in, of course, would allow you to mash the remaining cable mess in closer to the shack?s wall. Ted, KN1CBR >From: Phil Hystad >To: Phil Wheeler >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Phil, >I agree with the scope of your comment. After reviewing the K3s feature >list and the >improvements, the only absolutely desired features by me that I >definitely plan to order >are: New Synth board and P3 TX monitoring (as soon as it is clear I can >order the P3 internals only). > >The main other item that interests me is the improved audio but that is >not a must have. >As much as I would prefer USB for all connections to my computer, I would >not buy the >USB feature if it were offered all by itself. It does not resolve my >problem of a myriad of >USB to Serial adapter cables. > >The new front panel design and knob are nice but they do not change the >behavior of the >functioning of the K3 so I wouldn?t pay a penny to get those by >themselves and they are not >being offered anyway as an add-on. > >For a new purchase though, I am waiting for the K4Q model ? that is, the >K4 future model >including a quantum computer (actually the DSP FFT algorithm should be >almost instantaneous >with a quantum computer). > >Just kidding, I am in the midst of reading a great book on quantum >computing: Quantum Computation >and Quantum Information (Amazon: >http://www.amazon.com/dp/1107002176/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8 >&colid=UD886Y6SWKEQ&coliid=IDV81UIVJQH1Y) > >73, phil, K7PEH > > > >> On May 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> It seems the K3S is an improvement in some areas, but I wonder how >>much, really? The K3 will stay near the top of the heap in the Sherwood >>table, to be sure. Some of the upgrades can be added to our K3s, if we >>so desire. >> >> The advent of the K3S has not made my K3 worse than it was yesterday; >>it just may not be quite the "Best", perhaps by just an iota. >> >> Perhaps I'm inadequately sensitive, but I don't find it to be "a sad >>day". Just think how we'd feel if instead of a K3S there had been an >>*all new* K4. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 5/14/15 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >>> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and >>>buy the >>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >>> >>>> Severe let down! >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Ken - K0PP >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > From rtavan at gmail.com Thu May 14 14:57:46 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 08:57:46 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <5554CFD8.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <051001d08e5f$85f30d00$91d92700$@arrl.net> <5554CFD8.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Exactly, Jim. Not only are the most significant improvements in K3S available as retrofits to the K3 but also the original K3 will continue to enjoy full, Elecraft support. They advertise that support as "legendary" and are the only company I can think of that can say that truthfully. IMHO, this product announcement was the best I've ever seen in terms of full, clear disclosure, backward compatibility and continuing support. Kudos, Elecraft! /Rick N6XI On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> > Don't rule out a used K3, Ken. This announcement insures that there will > be some around. :) Not mine, though -- I've already bought the Synth > upgrade to three K3s, and may upgrade the I/O and preamp. > > Think about this, Ken -- for any other mfr, a new rig like this would > obsolete the previous model. With Elecraft, we'll be able to upgrade pieces > of it that we care about for a fraction of the cost. The new synth board, > for example, costs about $200 and is easy to install. > > 73, Jim K9YC -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 15:00:36 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:00:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: ... > > It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon > now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus > KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is not dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those values for the 200W sensors). Alan N1AL From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 15:04:14 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:04:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Message-ID: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> Looks good to me! The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or knobs, or ? Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-) Grant NQ5T From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 15:07:39 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] A SUPERB COMPANY ! In-Reply-To: <5554D8C3.80200@sunflower.com> References: <5554D8C3.80200@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <5554F27B.9060505@subich.com> On 2015-05-14 1:17 PM, Phil Anderson wrote: > I was not disappointed with the announcements/postings today. On the > contrary, what a super day! I was disappointed that all of the upgrades can not be added to the K3 - in spite of previous commitments by Elecraft principals. The new RF board (5/10/15 dB attenuator, lower receive noise, better isolation) front panel board (RTC compensation, etc.) and new bezel can not be retrofitted according to the K3S FAQ. While one can get most of the way there - new audio amplifier (by replacing the DSP board), new preamp (by replacing the KXV3/KXV3A), better LF/MF response (KBPF3A or modify existing KBPF3), that lower RF and digital noise floor/improved port isolation may be a significant issue for maximum receive performance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 15:10:07 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5554F30F.8010207@n4rp.com> I think that can be said for the vast majority of those of us who own one, including me ;) That said, at some point I'll pony up for a couple of synths and at lease one general coverage bandpass filter so I can play on the lower bands... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 3:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > Grant NQ5T -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 15:11:48 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> Is the P3 TX monitor up at the order page? So much there I may have missed it, Alan. Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: > On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > ... >> >> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN >> time frame (real soon >> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt >> sensor for K3/100 plus >> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. > > One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit > monitor is that it is not dependent on the K3s - > it works just fine with a K3. > > The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power > levels. The modulation envelope display > auto-scales and gives a good clean display down > to a few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can > set the "analog meter" full-scale to 20W, 120W, > 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those > values for the 200W sensors). > > Alan N1AL From w0fm at swbell.net Thu May 14 15:11:49 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:11:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! ;o) Terry, W0FM From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 15:14:28 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5554F414.2090504@n4rp.com> Yes. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 3:11 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Is the P3 TX monitor up at the order page? So much there I may have > missed it, Alan. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/14/15 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> ... >>> >>> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon >>> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus >>> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. >> >> One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is >> not dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. >> >> The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation >> envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a >> few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" >> full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those >> values for the 200W sensors). >> >> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Thu May 14 15:14:37 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5554F41D.502@gmail.com> Thank you Alan. Yes, the P3 upgrade should have been on a separate announcement, but most of us can figure it out. That's good news. It means I will only need one sensor and spend the rest of my toy budget on other Elecraft goodies ... ;o) Can you translate RSN into a specific shipping date? Rick nhc On 5/14/2015 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: > On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > ... >> >> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon >> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus >> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. > > One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is not > dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. > > The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation > envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a > few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" > full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those > values for the 200W sensors). > > Alan N1AL From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu May 14 15:16:35 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:16:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> Message-ID: <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 14, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. > > In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. > > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! > > ;o) > > > Terry, W0FM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 15:21:17 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> Message-ID: <5554F5AD.8010800@n4rp.com> Does this mean they'll have to add a new support address at k3ssupport at elecraft.com, or can they just let the one s do double duty ;) 73, Ross N4RP On 5/14/2015 3:11 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. > > In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. > > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! > > ;o) > > > Terry, W0FM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 15:24:56 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5554F688.2050701@sonic.net> I just checked. It's there in the P3 section. $199 for the adapter board and one directional coupler. Questions about the P3 transmit monitor are pretty well covered in the FAQ: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Xmit%20Mon%20FAQ-ver-A-7.pdf Alan N1AL On 05/14/2015 12:11 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Is the P3 TX monitor up at the order page? So much there I may have > missed it, Alan. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/14/15 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: >> On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> ... >>> >>> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon >>> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus >>> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. >> >> One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is not >> dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. >> >> The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation >> envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a >> few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" >> full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those >> values for the 200W sensors). >> >> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 14 15:26:14 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:26:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> References: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> Message-ID: It will next week. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > Does the current K3 firmware support the KXV3B in the K3? > > 73, Ross N4RP > >> On 5/14/2015 1:47 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >> The KXV3B, included as part of the basic K3S, has the functionality of the KXV3A plus the PR6-10. You do not need to order it separately. >> >> Unlike the PR6-10, the KXV3B does not tie up any of the accessory plug digital I/O lines to turn the preamp on and off. >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >>> So if I understand this correctly there is no need to order a KXV3B >>> separately or a PR6 since both are now included standard in the K3S. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu May 14 15:27:15 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:27:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability Message-ID: <201505141927.t4EJRq3l003999@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> There are times that I am glad that I am four hours behind the East Coast (and Dayton). I've read the two links and see the upgrades the K3S has. Here I list them and show which I am likely to update on my 2010 K3 (ser 4043): 1. Ultra-low noise synth. Boards obtainable for upgrading the K3 - I'll do this (for both Rx). 2. Second Preamp - I have a 6m preamp so not sure I will get the external PR6-10 - but maybe. 3. Multiple Atten Levels - not necessary for me. 4. USB/RS232 ports - I will not upgrade this. I am not fond of RJ45 connectors and current RS232 is fine. Internal soundcard probably will not suit my use - I like having the direct audio lines in/out. 5. KAT3 - not installed - no plan to do it now - I would like a two antenna selectable system - but not end of world. 6. Redesigned speaker amp - probably not - cost factor of replacing two DSP boards. 7. Fast T/R - I only do 15wpm - understand this is part of the synth upgrade. 8. Extended RX with modified KBPF3A - I understood a kit was available for to DIY - I will get a kit 9. Enhanced Look/Feel - maybe the soft touch VFO knob - not an important thing for me. So doesn't seem to leave me behind in upgrading my K3 on those things that are important to me. With the improved boards that Elecraft has recently released, the S version radio makes sense. I like that they offer upgrades for those who have the original radio so the obsolescence is caused. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Thu May 14 15:27:53 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:27:53 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F41D.502@gmail.com> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F41D.502@gmail.com> Message-ID: I assume with some switch gear, we can flip between a W2 and the P3? -- 73 de M0XDF > On 14 May 2015, at 20:14, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > > Thank you Alan. Yes, the P3 upgrade should have been on a separate announcement, but most of us can figure it out. > > That's good news. It means I will only need one sensor and spend the rest of my toy budget on other Elecraft goodies ... ;o) > > Can you translate RSN into a specific shipping date? > > Rick nhc > >> On 5/14/2015 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: >>> On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon >>> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus >>> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. >> >> One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is not dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. >> >> The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those values for the 200W sensors). >> >> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 15:33:05 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S pricing comparison In-Reply-To: <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431610610888.53878@onitap.com> <1431611255025.22285@onitap.com> <1431624444592-7602783.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5554F871.3000007@subich.com> On 2015-05-14 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote: > Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it > costs more than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently > been mulling upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check > the numbers. Had I started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit > ($1600, rounded from former price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, > which requires the KXV3A as well) and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would > have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs. Only one flaw in your calculation ... if you had ordered the K3/10 last week it would have included the KSYN3AUPG so the cost would have been $1890 not $2210. That will make the used K3/10 rigs that come on the market with KXV3 and no KSYN3A a reasonable bargain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 1:27 PM, Mike K8CN wrote: > Someone commented on the price increase for the K3S, and indeed it costs more > than a base K3/10 kit did. However, since I've recently been mulling > upgrades to my existing K3/10, I thought I would check the numbers. Had I > started from scratch and bought the K3/10 kit ($1600, rounded from former > price list), KXV3A ($130), PR6-10 ($160, which requires the KXV3A as well) > and the KSYN3AUPG ($220), I would have spent $2110 excluding shipping costs. > At $2099 for the base K3S/10-K, I find that the new KXV3B module with 12-6 > meter preamp is included as well as the new low-noise synthesizer. Thus, I > would save $11 by ordering a new K3S rather than purchasing the additional > modules to add the same functionality to my existing K3. I wonder if my XYL > would buy that argument, especially if I forget to sell the old K3? > > I'm envious of all who are having a great time in Dayton - been years since > I was able to get there! > > 73, > Mike, K8CN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Eric-s-missing-FDIM-talk-tp7602720p7602783.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Thu May 14 15:33:38 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:33:38 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554F688.2050701@sonic.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F374.2050004@socal.rr.com> <5554F688.2050701@sonic.net> Message-ID: Ah, no chance of an option to buy just the adaptor board? I have two W2 sensors already -- 73 de M0XDF > On 14 May 2015, at 20:24, Alan wrote: > > I just checked. It's there in the P3 section. $199 for the adapter board and one directional coupler. > > Questions about the P3 transmit monitor are pretty well covered in the FAQ: > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Xmit%20Mon%20FAQ-ver-A-7.pdf > > Alan N1AL > > >> On 05/14/2015 12:11 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Is the P3 TX monitor up at the order page? So much there I may have >> missed it, Alan. >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 5/14/15 12:00 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> On 05/14/2015 09:41 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>>> ... >>>> >>>> It mentions the P3 TX monitor, so that's in RSN time frame (real soon >>>> now). BIG want, hoping for a 100/ 750 watt sensor for K3/100 plus >>>> KPA500. Then a 2k sensor for full legal power. >>> >>> One point to emphasize about the P3 transmit monitor is that it is not >>> dependent on the K3s - it works just fine with a K3. >>> >>> The 2 kW sensor works well at lower power levels. The modulation >>> envelope display auto-scales and gives a good clean display down to a >>> few watts with the 2 kW sensor. You can set the "analog meter" >>> full-scale to 20W, 120W, 200W, 700W, 1200W or 2000W (and 1/10 those >>> values for the 200W sensors). >>> >>> Alan N1AL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From dave at nk7z.net Thu May 14 15:36:51 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:36:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> That also happened to me... Oh well, at least it is now the second best rig around... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 11:27 -0500, Gerald Manthey wrote: > ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy the > newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. > > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > > Severe let down! > > > > 73 > > > > Ken - K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 14 15:41:10 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:41:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability In-Reply-To: <201505141927.t4EJRq3l003999@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201505141927.t4EJRq3l003999@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> On 5/14/2015 3:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > 8. Extended RX with modified KBPF3A - I understood a kit was available > for to DIY - I will get a kit I got the impression that new KBPF3As will have the necessary parts of the mod, but as I recall when the mods were described a few weeks back that there were changes that would also need to be made to the RF board & KRX3. Hopefully in the next few days there will be some clarification on exactly what a K3 (no S) owner with no KBPF3s and the old synth(s) needs to actually buy/mod to get on the bands below 500kHz... 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 15:41:40 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F41D.502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5554FA74.9090403@sonic.net> Yes you could build a switch box that switches the 8 wires of the RJ-45 cable to two RJ-45 jacks. The P3 auto-senses when a coupler module is connected, and figures out which type it is. I think the W2 does the same thing. Alan N1AL On 05/14/2015 12:27 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > I assume with some switch gear, we can flip between a W2 and the P3? > > -- 73 de M0XDF > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu May 14 15:46:10 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:46:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability Message-ID: <201505141946.t4EJkARH006640@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> In my last post I meant to say in the last line: "...so the obsolescence is NOT caused." An in reply of others "this is my retirement radio" which I promised my wife was the "last one". Then I bought the KX3 in 2012 - he he! I think a KXPA-100 may be on my list for a later time...would eliminate two current amps (actually three). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 15:50:22 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:50:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob". If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple K3 transceivers". 73, ... Joe, W4TV From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 15:56:09 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:56:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> Message-ID: <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that. The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss? :=) Alan N1AL On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. > > That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning > "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob". > > If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple > K3 transceivers". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 15:57:44 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability In-Reply-To: <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> References: <201505141927.t4EJRq3l003999@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <5554FE38.5070306@subich.com> On 2015-05-14 3:41 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > I got the impression that new KBPF3As will have the necessary parts of > the mod, but as I recall when the mods were described a few weeks back > that there were changes that would also need to be made to the RF board > & KRX3. Hopefully in the next few days there will be some clarification > on exactly what a K3 (no S) owner with no KBPF3s and the old synth(s) > needs to actually buy/mod to get on the bands below 500kHz... To get on 630 meters no changes are likely to be needed. The existing KBPF3 is good down to 250 KHz or so and the internal noise is below the "sky noise" there. To get reasonable receive performance at 137 KHz, both the filter and bypass mods (RF board/KRX3) will probably be needed. I'm hoping that the bypass mods are a substantial portion of the "lower RF and digital noise" in the new K3S RF board. It would be a shame if one needed to replace the K3 with a K3S because of a significant change there. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Thu May 14 15:57:45 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <5554FA74.9090403@sonic.net> References: <0DCB6912-61B9-46E8-B618-67E4EB63CDAD@elecraft.com> <07105D6C-E186-46A4-8E7D-81A43C4DCFB4@comcast.net> <5554D046.50002@gmail.com> <5554F0D4.8050400@sonic.net> <5554F41D.502@gmail.com> <5554FA74.9090403@sonic.net> Message-ID: great, thanks -- 73 de M0XDF > On 14 May 2015, at 20:41, Alan wrote: > > Yes you could build a switch box that switches the 8 wires of the RJ-45 cable to two RJ-45 jacks. The P3 auto-senses when a coupler module is connected, and figures out which type it is. I think the W2 does the same thing. > > Alan N1AL > > >> On 05/14/2015 12:27 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: >> I assume with some switch gear, we can flip between a W2 and the P3? >> >> -- 73 de M0XDF >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:06:49 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> Message-ID: <55550059.9070703@gmail.com> K3 = original radio, singular K3s = original radio, plural K3's = original radio, singular, possessive K3s' = original radio, plural, possessive K3S = new radio, singular K3Ses = new radio, plural K3S's = new radio, singular, possessive K3Ses' = new radio, plural, possessive There will be a test at the end of second period... 73, Lyle KK7P On 5/14/2015 12:56 PM, Alan wrote: > Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that. > > The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss? > > :=) > > Alan N1AL > > > On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. >> >> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning >> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob". >> >> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple >> K3 transceivers". >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 16:08:37 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:08:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability In-Reply-To: <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> References: <201505141927.t4EJRq3l003999@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555500C5.1020803@socal.rr.com> Here's what Wayne said in his first post here (4/29) on this topic: "Here's a summary of the changes required: RF board: Add one leaded capacitor KRX3 (if applicable): Add one leaded capacitor KBPF3: Remove two inductors; parallel three new capacitors If you're interested in this low frequency range, and you'd like to try the mods, please email me directly. Note: To tune this range with the K3, you'll need the new synth (KSYN3A), a KBPF3 module (on the main and/or sub receiver), and a KXV3 module. A KXV3 is required because the antenna for the 100-500 kHz range should be connected to RX ANT IN or XVTR IN. The ANT1/ANT2 path goes through the T/R switch, which has a high-pass filter to protect the K3's fast PIN-diode T/R circuitry" And later he said (5/13): "The modification only affects 500 kHz and lower. We'll have a modification kit ready in a week or two. A few K3s have been modified so far, and all performed very well." But that was yesterday, so it will be a while. Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 12:41 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > On 5/14/2015 3:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >> 8. Extended RX with modified KBPF3A - I >> understood a kit was available for to DIY - I >> will get a kit > > I got the impression that new KBPF3As will have > the necessary parts of the mod, but as I recall > when the mods were described a few weeks back > that there were changes that would also need to > be made to the RF board & KRX3. Hopefully in > the next few days there will be some > clarification on exactly what a K3 (no S) owner > with no KBPF3s and the old synth(s) needs to > actually buy/mod to get on the bands below > 500kHz... > > 73, Ross N4RP > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 14 16:08:40 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Millar via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications Message-ID: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I might be a bit behind on this, but is there any info on modifying one's old KBPF3 to an A version? Even if "some soldering required". hi.???? Pretty exciting day. Nice to see all the K3 upgrades and changes. ?? Doug K6JEY ? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 16:10:50 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:10:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5555014A.4060107@socal.rr.com> Drat -- they should have called it a K3S :-) Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 12:56 PM, Alan wrote: > Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that. > > The more interesting question is, what is the > plural of K3s? K3ss? > > :=) > > Alan N1AL > > > On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. >> >> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a >> contraction meaning >> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's >> tuning knob". >> >> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell >> out "multiple >> K3 transceivers". >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu May 14 16:11:22 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:11:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: I think Grant has hit the major issue of new K3s vs upgrade a K3. One possibility for the budget minded is to buy a minimum K3s and pull as many option boards, filters, etc. from the K3 as possible. Then enjoy a K3/10 for the vacation home or sell it. I fear that prices for used K3's will be depressed as more come on the market than there are buyers. The prices will probably come back up after the major rush to the new radio dies down and supply/demand evens out. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/14/15 at 12:04 PM, nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote: >Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall >performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the >K3S?s new RF board, since this is not being made available >for retrofit into the K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S >adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide >some hard information. That?s pretty much going to be my >decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other >parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability >to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the >whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, >even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu May 14 16:14:06 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:14:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4A63E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: If the USB interface was built to simulate a USB hub with a RS232-USB converter on one port and a sound card on the other, there would no change in driver requirements for the computers and adding another sound card for the I/Q feed might be just a firmware upgrade. I don't think we will see a K4 until the basic 8MHz IF architecture of the K3/K3s becomes obsolete. Upgrade seems to be the Elecraft way. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/14/15 at 10:48 AM, ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) wrote: >Agree with Rick on this.. Nice to have the USB, but its still >a bit behind the tech curve. A functional ethernet port and >maybe some more internal computation power along with IQ out >would have been a better bet IMHO, ... >K4(?) a K series with more LAN/Remote/Remote PAN display >support and with some of the small little goodies they put on >the KX3. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From wes at triconet.org Thu May 14 16:15:26 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. Wes N7WS On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Looks good to me! > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or knobs, or ? > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > Grant NQ5T > ______________________________________________________________ > From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:31:29 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> Message-ID: So just thinking outloud?.. I guess the bands are dead? Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3. Frank From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 16:36:18 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications In-Reply-To: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55550742.2000007@subich.com> On 2015-05-14 4:08 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: > Hi, I might be a bit behind on this, but is there any info on > modifying one's old KBPF3 to an A version? Even if "some soldering > required". hi. Pretty exciting day. Nice to see all the K3 > upgrades and changes. > Doug K6JEY The modification is in field test. Wayne has indicated a parts kit is likely to be forthcoming in a few weeks. Changes require removal of two SMD coils and soldering three SMD capacitors in parallel (or replacing) three existing capacitors. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From w9pa at w9pa.net Thu May 14 16:49:22 2015 From: w9pa at w9pa.net (Dave Zeph) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S Message-ID: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> I have been following today's numerous posts on the K3S. I would like to see a concise, detailed listing of: 1) Improvements / changes embodied in the K3S 2) What improvements / changes can and CANNOT be incorporated into existing K3's I understand the improvement accorded by the KSYN3A - but didn't we already go through an upgrade to the DSP board(s) once before?? 73 --> Dave, W9PA (ex-W9ZRX, 1954 to 2012) From wes at triconet.org Thu May 14 16:55:57 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 13:55:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com><5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> Message-ID: <55550BDD.4070507@triconet.org> We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be working each other on 630-meters. On 5/14/2015 1:31 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote: > So just thinking outloud?.. I guess the bands are dead? > Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3. > > Frank > > ______________________________________________________________ > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 17:12:52 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:12:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S In-Reply-To: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> References: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> Message-ID: Look at the K3S FAQs on the Elecraft website Grant NQ5T > On May 14, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Dave Zeph wrote: > > I have been following today's numerous posts on the K3S. > > > > I would like to see a concise, detailed listing of: > > > > 1) Improvements / changes embodied in the K3S > > 2) What improvements / changes can and CANNOT be incorporated into > existing K3's > > > > I understand the improvement accorded by the KSYN3A - but didn't we already > go through an upgrade to the DSP board(s) once before?? From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu May 14 17:29:49 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:29:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: References: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <005101d08e8d$20d5f490$6281ddb0$@co.uk> >> Does the current K3 firmware support the KXV3B in the K3? >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> > >It will next week. > >Wayne > A similar question: will the K3S detect and support an old-style KAT3? 73 from Ian GM3SEK From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu May 14 17:31:21 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S In-Reply-To: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> References: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> Message-ID: <0D8F597B-C5F7-4152-8F0B-61AD83FF4A13@wunderwood.org> Elecraft has done a clear job of describing those in the FAQ: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 14, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Dave Zeph wrote: > I have been following today's numerous posts on the K3S. > > > > I would like to see a concise, detailed listing of: > > > > 1) Improvements / changes embodied in the K3S > > 2) What improvements / changes can and CANNOT be incorporated into > existing K3's > > > > I understand the improvement accorded by the KSYN3A - but didn't we already > go through an upgrade to the DSP board(s) once before?? > > > > > > > > > > 73 --> Dave, W9PA (ex-W9ZRX, 1954 to 2012) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 17:32:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:32:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs K3S In-Reply-To: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> References: <7C03C47791A84B1FA342820F21372238@BigKahuna> Message-ID: <55551480.6010301@subich.com> > I would like to see a concise, detailed listing of: > > 1) Improvements / changes embodied in the K3S > > 2) What improvements / changes can and CANNOT be incorporated into > existing K3's See: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf Page 1 lists the improvements. Page 2 lists what can be added to the K3 (including availability now vs. later), Page 3 lists what can not be added to the K3 ("unique to the K3s"). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 4:49 PM, Dave Zeph wrote: > I have been following today's numerous posts on the K3S. > > > > I would like to see a concise, detailed listing of: > > > > 1) Improvements / changes embodied in the K3S > > 2) What improvements / changes can and CANNOT be incorporated into > existing K3's > > > > I understand the improvement accorded by the KSYN3A - but didn't we already > go through an upgrade to the DSP board(s) once before?? > > > > > > > > > > 73 --> Dave, W9PA (ex-W9ZRX, 1954 to 2012) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 14 17:38:32 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications In-Reply-To: <55550742.2000007@subich.com> References: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55550742.2000007@subich.com> Message-ID: <0F557ECA-2C7D-49E9-A450-5EA5EFBB424B@elecraft.com> We'll have a mod kit in 2 or 3 weeks, with parts for both the KBPF3 and RF board. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 4:36 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > > >> On 2015-05-14 4:08 PM, Doug Millar via Elecraft wrote: >> Hi, I might be a bit behind on this, but is there any info on >> modifying one's old KBPF3 to an A version? Even if "some soldering >> required". hi. Pretty exciting day. Nice to see all the K3 >> upgrades and changes. > > Doug K6JEY > > The modification is in field test. Wayne has indicated a parts kit > is likely to be forthcoming in a few weeks. Changes require removal > of two SMD coils and soldering three SMD capacitors in parallel (or > replacing) three existing capacitors. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 14 17:42:08 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: <005101d08e8d$20d5f490$6281ddb0$@co.uk> References: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> <005101d08e8d$20d5f490$6281ddb0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <6D4815ED-79C0-4E47-8465-37B6194F68F1@elecraft.com> Yes. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com On May 14, 2015, at 5:29 PM, "Ian White" wrote: >>> Does the current K3 firmware support the KXV3B in the K3? >>> >>> 73, Ross N4RP >> >> It will next week. >> >> Wayne > > A similar question: will the K3S detect and support an old-style KAT3? > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > From beford at myfairpoint.net Thu May 14 17:51:32 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:51:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. Message-ID: > That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning > "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob". > If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple > K3 transceivers". In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's? ;-) 73 (already plural, does not need to be made possessive either), Bruce N1RX From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 14 17:55:23 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:55:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> Message-ID: Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email. However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started on branding and graphic design.... I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :) 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 3:11 PM, "Terry Schieler" wrote: > > I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. > > In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. > > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! > > ;o) > > > Terry, W0FM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jackbrindle at me.com Thu May 14 17:57:12 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:57:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <55550059.9070703@gmail.com> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <5554FC7E.3000100@subich.com> <5554FDD9.1050404@sonic.net> <55550059.9070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <859BB112-DD80-45F7-AAE1-2A19B6BFBC33@me.com> Let?s make it easier (or is that harder?). It?s a Small-Caps ?S?. Not lower case. Or, look at the way ELECRAFT is spelled on the products. The E is higher than the other characters. The rest are small-caps? Now the exercise is to find a way to type this in standard ASCII? - Jack, W6FB > On May 14, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > K3 = original radio, singular > K3s = original radio, plural > K3's = original radio, singular, possessive > K3s' = original radio, plural, possessive > > K3S = new radio, singular > K3Ses = new radio, plural > K3S's = new radio, singular, possessive > K3Ses' = new radio, plural, possessive > > There will be a test at the end of second period... > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > On 5/14/2015 12:56 PM, Alan wrote: >> Yes, Miss Grammar would rap your knuckles for that. >> >> The more interesting question is, what is the plural of K3s? K3ss? >> >> :=) >> >> Alan N1AL >> >> >> On 05/14/2015 12:50 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> On 2015-05-14 3:16 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>>> Use ?K3?s? for multiple K3 transceivers. >>> >>> That is not correct grammar. "K3's" is a contraction meaning >>> "K3 is" or is the possessive as in "the K3's tuning knob". >>> >>> If anything, one probably needs to use or spell out "multiple >>> K3 transceivers". >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Thu May 14 18:06:03 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:06:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 Freq Drift Measurements In-Reply-To: References: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <55551C4B.5090800@hawkins-zhu.com> The only other working receiver I have at home is an aging (30 years at least old) Yaesu FT-690R. So I switched it on for the first time in at least two years and within 30mins I'd convinced myself its receive freq stability was such (after a little warm-up time) that I could measure TX relative drift of a receive 6m signal down to 1 or 2Hz accuracy. Thus, with the FT-690R connected through my Signalink to the WSJT-X waterfall I went about measuring my KX3 freq variation under TX conditions. KX3 TX power = 3W to dummy load, freq 50.076MHz, FM modulation continuous TX until PA temp reach 55C. Starting PA temp reported at 30C: * total min-to-max freq drift averaged over four runs was a staggering 104Hz, occurring over approx 2 mins; * minimum freq observed around 40C. Initially freq drifts down, reaches minimum point and then drifts positive. So my next thought was could I observed performance on a lower band. Well, the only band that offered any possibility was operating on 30m and looking for the 5th harmonic on the FT-690R. To my slight surprise with the KX3 transmitting at 10.1MHz, I found a weak 5th harmonic that I could observe on the FT-690R at 50.5MHz. Keying the KX3 resulting in the 5th harmonic appearing and disappearing. KX3 TX power = 3W to dummy load, KX3 freq 10.1MHz, FM modulation continuous TX until PA temp reach 40C (seemed to stabilize at this max temp). Starting PA temp reported at 27C. FT-690R monitoring 50.5MHz: * total min-to-max freq drift averaged over four runs 40.5Hz, _which considering I'm looking at the fifth harmonic is really 8.1Hz_ occurring over approx 4-5 mins; * minimum freq observed around 32C. Initially freq drifts down, reaches minimum point and then drifts positive. For those that have done similar tests on an uncompensated KX3, do these results seem reasonable? If they are reasonable is it safe to say that successful 6m JT65/JT9 operation even after extended temperature compensation is unlikely? 73's Gary K6YOA _Please note these results are not a KX3 that has not gone through the Extended Temp Compensation. _ That being said, while I think extended temp compensation would likely prove sufficient for JT65-HF or JT9 for 30m and surrounding bands, I will be very surprised when I do the temp compensation over the weekend, whether it can sufficiently correct the xxxHz drift I'm seeing on the 6m band. On 5/13/2015 6:01 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Gary Hawkins > wrote: > > ...Does anyone know how I can estimate KX3 freq drift.... > > =============== > Gary, if you have another receiver it's easy. Just set up the other rx > for JT65HF, transmit via the KX3, and look at the received trace. You > can see drift down to a couple of Hz. > > I found the drift not to be too dependent on power level. Even at very > low levels of output power, my KX3 drifted about the same (about 18 > Hz) before the temperature compensation. This is too much for JT65HF > communication. > > 73, > Tony KT0NY From n1al at sonic.net Thu May 14 18:16:14 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:16:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55551EAE.4060200@sonic.net> On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote: > > In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's? "Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses" :=) Alan N1AL From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu May 14 18:16:31 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:16:31 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - I/Q? In-Reply-To: <002801d08e59$59d1ce60$0d756b20$@windstream.net> References: <002801d08e59$59d1ce60$0d756b20$@windstream.net> Message-ID: I doubt it. To do I/Q output over the new USB port, they?d need to add a pair of ADCs before the roofing filter. If they?d done something like that, I?m sure it would have been announced. --? 73 de Matt VK2RQ On 15 May 2015 at 1:19:59 am, Dick Dickinson (softblue at windstream.net) wrote: .had hoped for I/Q output for computer-based Pan display software. Perhaps that can be handled via the new USB..? .any thoughts? Dick - KA5KKT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 14 18:16:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Outlook.com via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question Message-ID: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ. Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3. Am I correct? For those that can read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the Ethernet connector do? I am not a computer wizard so be gentle. 73, Steve, K4FJ From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu May 14 18:18:09 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:18:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S KXV3B In-Reply-To: <6D4815ED-79C0-4E47-8465-37B6194F68F1@elecraft.com> References: <5554DFCC.8020307@gmail.com> <5554ED39.7060409@n4rp.com> <005101d08e8d$20d5f490$6281ddb0$@co.uk> <6D4815ED-79C0-4E47-8465-37B6194F68F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <005301d08e93$e0bcca30$a2365e90$@co.uk> >> will the K3S detect and support an old-style KAT3? >> >Yes. > >Wayne Thanks, Wayne. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 14 18:27:59 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:27:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The K3S FAQ is a PDF file. Some combinations/settings of browser and PDF reader plug-in will not allow direct viewing. The cause of this is often personal security settings in the OS. The usual workaround is to download the PDF's to your desktop and read them there. This a well-written multi-page document that is better not copied into email. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Outlook.com via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ. > Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an > Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3. Am I correct? For those that can > read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the > Ethernet connector do? I am not a computer wizard so be gentle. > > 73, Steve, K4FJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 14 18:29:03 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:29:03 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 Freq Drift Measurements In-Reply-To: <55551C4B.5090800@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> <55551C4B.5090800@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: <90B8F436-447C-4320-98FC-BB966F48C2F4@yahoo.co.uk> Please see the work done by Lance W7GJ on this at http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3HeatSinks.htm 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 14 May 2015, at 23:06, Gary Hawkins wrote: > > > For those that have done similar tests on an uncompensated KX3, do these results seem reasonable? If they are reasonable is it safe to say that successful 6m JT65/JT9 operation even after extended temperature compensation is unlikely? > > 73's Gary K6YOA > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 18:31:18 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:31:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question Message-ID: Question .. Part no. is the same, but just to make sure ... Is there something new about the KRX3 sub receiver listed with the K3S, or is it the same legacy component I currently have in my K3? Thanks Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone From tk at nk4i.com Thu May 14 18:36:19 2015 From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:36:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX Sensor Connector Message-ID: <55552363.4040400@nk4i.com> Just placed an order for the P3TX option. Any chance of an n-type connector on the sensor from the factory? Tighe NK4I From mundschenk55 at msn.com Thu May 14 18:41:18 2015 From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (mundschenk55) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:41:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Message-ID: How loud can you yell?? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Wes (N7WS)" Date:05/14/2015 4:57 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be working each other on 630-meters. On 5/14/2015 1:31 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote: > So just thinking outloud?.. I guess the bands are dead? > Still like my original K2 (while listening on my new KX3. > > Frank > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mundschenk55 at msn.com From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Thu May 14 19:02:02 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:02:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <55551EAE.4060200@sonic.net> References: <55551EAE.4060200@sonic.net> Message-ID: Ermm.... No it doesn't. "Best 73's" translates to "Best best wisheses" which also attempts to be possessive. The apostrophe doesn't really translate at all and is superfluous. :-) 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Alan Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote: > > In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's? "Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses" :=) Alan N1AL From ac2ev at frontier.com Thu May 14 19:15:12 2015 From: ac2ev at frontier.com (Ac2ev) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:15:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. Message-ID: <5CFD79E5-3F0B-475E-8F6E-0F8F7D009B34@frontier.com> If anyone is really worried what to call it, simply send your unwanted K3 to me and that will solve your problem. AC2EV - Don Address good on QRZ and ULS From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Thu May 14 19:22:14 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:22:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S Message-ID: It is really quite simple; The plural of an Elecraft K3S is K3Ss The plural of an Elecraft K3 is K3s. I, too am bothered by careless grammar and misuse of apostrophes and am glad to see others defend proper usage of the English language. 73 +/- Jeff, NH7RO From lists at subich.com Thu May 14 19:25:11 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:25:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55552ED7.4010007@subich.com> In particular, since the KRX3 has a single 10 dB attenuator which switches with the main RX, how does the old KRX3 behave when used in the K3S which has cascaded 5 and 10 dB attenuators which can be selected individually (-5, -10 dB) or together (-15 dB)? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-14 6:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Question .. Part no. is the same, but just to make sure ... > > Is there something new about the KRX3 sub receiver listed with the K3S, or is it the same legacy component I currently have in my K3? > > Thanks > > Grant NQ5T > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 14 19:31:35 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55553057.3020009@socal.rr.com> Perhaps the new synth board some of us have already installed in a K3? Phil W7OX On 5/14/15 3:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Question .. Part no. is the same, but just to make sure ... > > Is there something new about the KRX3 sub receiver listed with the K3S, or is it the same legacy component I currently have in my K3? > > Thanks > > Grant NQ5T From gdaught6 at stanford.edu Thu May 14 19:37:51 2015 From: gdaught6 at stanford.edu (gdaught6 at stanford.edu) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554CF5F.15666.21B1985@gdaught6.stanford.edu> > It is really quite simple; > > The plural of an Elecraft K3S is K3Ss > > The plural of an Elecraft K3 is K3s. > > I, too am bothered by careless grammar and misuse of apostrophes and > am glad to see others defend proper usage of the English language. In modern American English, an apostrophe is an indication that the letter 's' is about to occur. 8-) 73, (no best, no apostrophe, no s) George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 3-4, 2015 From gdaught6 at stanford.edu Thu May 14 19:38:35 2015 From: gdaught6 at stanford.edu (gdaught6 at stanford.edu) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5554CF8B.12574.21BC3BF@gdaught6.stanford.edu> > It is really quite simple; > > The plural of an Elecraft K3S is K3Ss > > The plural of an Elecraft K3 is K3s. > > I, too am bothered by careless grammar and misuse of apostrophes and > am glad to see others defend proper usage of the English language. In modern American English, an apostrophe is an indication that the letter 's' is about to occur. 8-) 73, (no best, no apostrophe, no s) George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 3-4, 2015 From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 19:39:04 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:39:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S at SeaPac ? Message-ID: <8659947C-055C-43DA-9E9A-C8E81BA2CD40@mac.com> Since Dayton is a bit of a long distance to travel, I am hoping to see a K3S at the SeaPac conference. I mean, Elecraft has had a booth there for a number of years so I am hoping they will be there this June (just a couple of weeks actually). I may have missed it but I don?t think I know if Elecraft had an actual K3S or maybe even a prototype of one at Dayton? Something you can put your hands on. 73, phil, K7PEH From phystad at mac.com Thu May 14 19:43:14 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:43:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <55551EAE.4060200@sonic.net> References: <55551EAE.4060200@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1BC80999-E98C-4E74-B134-D9BC78F65495@mac.com> The big error on everyone?s part is that 73?s is not plural but rather it is possessive. Thus, saying 73?s is equivalent to yielding your best regards entirely over to the other person. It is a more intimate way of saying 73. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 14, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Alan wrote: > > On 05/14/2015 02:51 PM, Bruce Beford wrote: >> > >> In that vein, would anyone care to revisit the topic of 73's? > > "Best 73's" translates to "Best best regardses" > > :=) > > Alan N1AL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From radioham at mchsi.com Thu May 14 19:46:57 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:46:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S In-Reply-To: <5554CF5F.15666.21B1985@gdaught6.stanford.edu> References: <5554CF5F.15666.21B1985@gdaught6.stanford.edu> Message-ID: I have found it a better indication of a t coming next. David K0LUM On May 14, 2015, at 6:37 PM, gdaught6 at stanford.edu wrote: > > In modern American English, an apostrophe is an indication that the letter 's' is about > to occur. > > 8-) > > 73, (no best, no apostrophe, no s) > > George T Daughters, K6GT > CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) > October 3-4, 2015 From jlholcomb at cableone.net Thu May 14 19:49:34 2015 From: jlholcomb at cableone.net (Jerry Holcomb) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:49:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A Message-ID: <002701d08ea0$a22db380$e6891a80$@cableone.net> I am the proud owner of K3/10 #8972, recently upgraded with the KPA3. Two questions: Has the KPA3 been upgraded to new PA finals? It would appear so with a Mitsubishi device rather than the Toshiba. Is the KAT3A compatible with the K3 as that is my next upgrade? 73 Jerry N0XWR From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 19:51:32 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:51:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question In-Reply-To: <55553057.3020009@socal.rr.com> References: <55553057.3020009@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <8AEC2FCC-8046-4E91-BDBE-3370AB814A7F@tx.rr.com> I already have the new synth boards in my K3. Just would like to know if the receiver module itself is the same or if it's also been updated for the K3S. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Perhaps the new synth board some of us have already installed in a K3? > > Phil W7OX > >> On 5/14/15 3:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >> Question .. Part no. is the same, but just to make sure ... >> >> Is there something new about the KRX3 sub receiver listed with the K3S, or is it the same legacy component I currently have in my K3? >> >> Thanks >> >> Grant From w0fm at swbell.net Thu May 14 19:51:43 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:51:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> Message-ID: <00ad01d08ea0$eeb168a0$cc1439e0$@swbell.net> Thanks Wayne. I sure understand that. Yes. Having a graphic art background I could tell it was a capital S in a slightly smaller font in the literature. Just not able to do that on the reflector. Excited about the new product announcements. Terry W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:55 PM To: Terry Schieler Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email. However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started on branding and graphic design.... I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :) 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 3:11 PM, "Terry Schieler" wrote: > > I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. > > In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. > > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! > > ;o) > > > Terry, W0FM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu May 14 19:56:44 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 09:56:44 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S In-Reply-To: References: <5554CF5F.15666.21B1985@gdaught6.stanford.edu> Message-ID: What i really find hard to get sorted in my mind is the part numbers being used. Call me dumb but some part numbers confuse the heck outa me. I looked at the order page last night and for the life of me could not figure out what i woukd really need vs want. This from a guy who didn't order a microphone with my k3 back in the day. The look on my face when i unpacked the box must have been priceless....for everything else there is Mastercard....:-) 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 15/05/2015 9:47 AM, "David Christ" wrote: > I have found it a better indication of a t coming next. > > David K0LUM > > > On May 14, 2015, at 6:37 PM, gdaught6 at stanford.edu wrote: > > > > > In modern American English, an apostrophe is an indication that the > letter 's' is about > > to occur. > > > > 8-) > > > > 73, (no best, no apostrophe, no s) > > > > George T Daughters, K6GT > > CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) > > October 3-4, 2015 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Thu May 14 20:13:01 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:13:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications In-Reply-To: <0F557ECA-2C7D-49E9-A450-5EA5EFBB424B@elecraft.com> References: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55550742.2000007@subich.com> <0F557ECA-2C7D-49E9-A450-5EA5EFBB424B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <55553A0D.6010006@sbcglobal.net> Wayne, will those of us who aren't willing to work with surface-mount parts, be able to send our boards in for upgrading? I'd really like for my K3 to be able to tune down as far as 100 kHz. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 5/14/2015 2:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We'll have a mod kit in 2 or 3 weeks, with parts for both the KBPF3 and RF board. > > Wayne > > From htodd at twofifty.com Thu May 14 20:26:15 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 17:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <5CFD79E5-3F0B-475E-8F6E-0F8F7D009B34@frontier.com> References: <5CFD79E5-3F0B-475E-8F6E-0F8F7D009B34@frontier.com> Message-ID: Hey, I'll even pay for shipping if you send it to me! On Thu, 14 May 2015, Ac2ev wrote: > If anyone is really worried what to call it, simply send your unwanted K3 to me and that will solve your problem. > > AC2EV - Don > Address good on QRZ and ULS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 14 21:19:40 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: > > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy >> the >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >> > Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year. The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new mod into the old chassis. My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto on the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack, keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world. 73, Guy -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu May 14 21:25:19 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:25:19 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: Guy The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of arrival on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded models. Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate. Just sayin...... Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > > > > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy > >> the > >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. > >> > > > Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) > > What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) > > And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year. > > The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally > improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new > mod into the old chassis. > > My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it > has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto on > the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack, > keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already > been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world. > > 73, Guy > > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu May 14 21:37:52 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Price of K3 before K3S Message-ID: <1390902312.1401979.1431653872983.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Can any of you advise what was the previous price for K3/10 kit and assembled? I notice a price increase in KSYN3A upgrade kit from $190 to $220 73 Johnny VR2XMC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 14 21:43:35 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:43:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: I'll stick by what I said. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Guy > > The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of arrival > on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded models. > > Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate. > > Just sayin...... > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > >> > >> > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >> > >> >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy >> >> the >> >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >> >> >> > >> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) >> >> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) >> >> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year. >> >> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally >> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new >> mod into the old chassis. >> >> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it >> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto >> on >> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack, >> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already >> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world. >> >> 73, Guy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > From jbollit at outlook.com Thu May 14 21:52:10 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> Message-ID: Oh so true! Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world. One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!! Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. Wes N7WS On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Looks good to me! > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for > upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or > knobs, or ? > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the > K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to > measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the > whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the > K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > Grant NQ5T > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From esteptony at gmail.com Thu May 14 22:00:48 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <55550BDD.4070507@triconet.org> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> <55550BDD.4070507@triconet.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > We're gearing up for the decline of the sunspot cycle. We'll all be > working each other on 630-meters. > > ======== DXCC is gonna mean "Don't expect convenient communication." Tony KT0NY From dave at nk7z.net Thu May 14 22:04:58 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Jim, You are wrong! Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and get paid for 40!! They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid for 40 hours. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote: > Oh so true! > > Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world. > > One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!! > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S > > I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) > > Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. > > Wes N7WS > > On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > Looks good to me! > > > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are > > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for > > upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or > > knobs, or ? > > > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall > > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new > > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the > > K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to > > measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s > > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on > > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my > > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the > > whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the > > K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > > > Grant NQ5T > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu May 14 22:04:45 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:04:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk Message-ID: <3dildp731ftl8jd780y4r7lc.1431655485489@email.android.com> So let me make sure I've got this right. On May14, K3 #642, a little over 7years old and meeting all my needs and wants, and that had just got me an ESP QSO with a summit, became trash on May 15 ... because Elecraft announced an upgraded product? Fred K6DGW TDY Sparks NV Gary Gregory wrote: >Guy > >The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of arrival >on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded models. > >Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate. > >Just sayin...... > >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT >On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > >> > >> > On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >> > >> >> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and buy >> >> the >> >> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad day. >> >> >> > >> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) >> >> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) >> >> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a year. >> >> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an incrementally >> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn a new >> mod into the old chassis. >> >> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine until it >> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. Ditto on >> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the shack, >> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has already >> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world. >> >> 73, Guy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu May 14 22:21:03 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 21:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <3FF983BB-8438-4F42-A199-878A2819056A@tx.rr.com> Trying hard to figure out whatever real or imagined policy any of this has to do with Elecraft or the subject of this thread. Surely there?s a more appropriate venue. Grant > On May 14, 2015, at 9:04 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Hi Jim, > You are wrong! Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and > get paid for 40!! > > They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid > for 40 hours. > > V/info > > > On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote: >> Oh so true! >> >> Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world. >> >> One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!! >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) >> >> Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. >> >> Wes N7WS >> From Mike.Carter at unh.edu Thu May 14 22:27:25 2015 From: Mike.Carter at unh.edu (Mike K8CN) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:27:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Price of K3 before K3S In-Reply-To: <1390902312.1401979.1431653872983.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1390902312.1401979.1431653872983.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431656845654-7602870.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Johnny, According to a Elecraft web page capture on 27 March 2015 as displayed on web.archive.org (WayBack Machine), the K3/10 kit sold for USD 1599.95 and the factory assembled version went for USD 1799.95. As a couple of fellows pointed out in response to my tongue-in-cheek post earlier today about the relative prices of the K3 and K3S, I truly missed the (narrow) golden window of opportunity to get a K3/10 with the upgraded synthesizer for the respective prices shown above. Timing is everything......in CW and in life. 73, Mike, K8CN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Price-of-K3-before-K3S-tp7602863p7602870.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jbollit at outlook.com Thu May 14 22:37:17 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:37:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: Not in the private sector. Compete or die If you personally had $1,000 dollars, would you invest in Apple, IBM, Starbucks, or Walmart or invest it in the State Department of Vehicles (or other government sector)? Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Hi Jim, You are wrong! Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and get paid for 40!! They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid for 40 hours. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote: > Oh so true! > > Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world. > > One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!! > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S > > I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) > > Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. > > Wes N7WS > > On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > Looks good to me! > > > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are > > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for > > upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or > > knobs, or ? > > > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall > > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new > > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the > > K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to > > measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s > > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on > > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my > > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the > > whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the > > K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > > > Grant NQ5T > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu May 14 22:44:00 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <1431657840.14866.155.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Wish you were right... But alas, the work ethic has changed in the past 40 or so years. It took Radio Shack 20 years to die... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 19:37 -0700, jim wrote: > Not in the private sector. > > Compete or die > > If you personally had $1,000 dollars, would you invest in Apple, IBM, Starbucks, or Walmart or invest it in the State Department of Vehicles (or other government sector)? > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cole > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:05 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S > > Hi Jim, > You are wrong! Most of the country does not want to work 30 hours and get paid for 40!! > > They only do 30 hours of work, in a 40 hour period, and ARE getting paid for 40 hours. > > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 18:52 -0700, jim wrote: > > Oh so true! > > > > Pretty soon, The U.S. population will be expecting to be paid for 40 hours of work, but only working 30 hours like some other countries in the world. > > > > One country's govt paid big Euro to fund a study to determine if this work 30/pay 40 would have an impact on productivity!!! > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:15 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S > > > > I just cancelled my order for the upgraded synthesizer for my present K3 and ordered a K3s instead.:-) > > > > Since the government demands that I take money out of my IRAs so they can confiscate 30% of it to buy Obamaphones, I might as well blow the rest of it on radios. Depreciating it to zero, my current K3 cost me about $27 a month over the time I've owned it. Depending on how long I live, the monthly cost of the new one will likely be higher, but then buying all of those Obamaphones has deflated the value of our money anyway. Might as well spend it while it has a little value left. > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > On 5/14/2015 12:04 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > > Looks good to me! > > > > > > The real benefit of most of the included upgrades is that they are > > > either already in my K3 (2xKSYNA) or they will be available for > > > upgrade later on. I don?t really have an issue with K3 audio, or > > > knobs, or ? > > > > > > Seems to me that an important question is the impact on overall > > > performance of the lower RF and quantization noise with the K3S?s new > > > RF board, since this is not being made available for retrofit into the > > > K3. Hopefully, Elecraft or an early K3S adopter with the ability to > > > measure the difference will provide some hard information. That?s > > > pretty much going to be my decision point about whether to drop $$ on > > > upgrading other parts of my K3 or just biting the bullet, reducing my > > > ability to eat for a few months later in retirement, and upgrading the > > > whole thing. Or not ? since given my usual operating habits, even the > > > K3 is more radio than I need ;-) > > > > > > Grant NQ5T > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > From wglevy at gmail.com Thu May 14 22:51:50 2015 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:51:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The New K3S to the Old K3 Message-ID: The amount of difference between both will only be noticed by those who have the gear to measure it or an engineering degree. The Collins KWM2A was modified continuously over it's 25 year or more build life. In those days there was always a final resistor that went in to the box after all the tests were made and then after the resistor box was removed the last resistor went in so the radio could meet it's measured specs. Audio boxes were made the same way. So each was different because all those 5% resistors were all a bit different so each radio was always just a bit different. What I am trying to say is that there ain't much difference here beween the 3 and 3S. However getting a transmit monitor and wattmeter on the PT3 is a vast improvement for very little money. I ordered a pair of new synthesizer board just so I could A/B two radios and see if I could tell the difference. I will let you all know after a test drive or two! I started with crystals and DX60B so their is just no comparison to incremental changes by Elecraft. It is the radio of choice by the cognoscenti. Of this I have no doubt. All best guys. N2WL Bill From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 14 23:20:09 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 20:20:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The New K3S to the Old K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555565E9.8060501@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,5/14/2015 7:51 PM, William Levy wrote: > The amount of difference between both will only be noticed by those who > have the gear to measure it or an engineering degree. And by those running multiple stations at high power with antennas in close proximity. Like SO2R contesting, multi-transmitter contesting, county expeditions for CQP (we run four K3s with KPA500, and often have both CW and SSB on the same band. As Rob Sherwood said today in his annual talk at Dayton, you will notice it if you have a close neighbor running power, and he'll notice the difference when you transmit. 73, Jim K9YC From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu May 14 23:20:44 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? In-Reply-To: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> References: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5555660C.6090407@embarqmail.com> Jack, I THINK you were referring to me. First, I really didn't know - so there were no "beans for me to spill" Second, I am already at Dayton, and just now read your post - I did not read the reflector yesterday, so have to go through 427 posts tonight. Third, Even if I were privileged to have that information, I would not be able to "spill any beans" because you can be certain they would have me bound by a confidentiality agreement. I saw Eric's presentation at FDIM this morning, and I can tell you that that was the first time I knew what was going on. Oh yes, I knew that something was in development (there always is), but I did not know what or when it would be announced. As an Elecraft part-timer I am not privileged to have that sort of inside information. So, even if I received a $1000.00 PayPal contribution, I would have to return it! Sorry Jack, I could not resist either. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/13/2015 8:35 PM, W0UCE wrote: > To: > > All who won't sleep well tonight because of being frustrated by what the > Elecraft Dynamic Duo will announce tomorrow morning... > > There is hope... Here is a hint... > > Perhaps, just perhaps my pal who lives not far away and goes by the name > Don.... Yes, the one who makes excellent technical posts on this reflector > could possibly be "shall we say enticed" into spelling some beans just after > midnight this evening... > > A $1,000.00 PayPal contribution to "Maybe Don will spill the beans" might > just result in you enjoying a good night's sleep. > > Hi Hi... My apology... I just couldn't resist doing this. > > Whatever the Elecraft Dynamic Duo release will be worth the wait? > > 73, > > Jack W?UCE > From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 14 23:26:12 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:26:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: <3FF983BB-8438-4F42-A199-878A2819056A@tx.rr.com> References: <71DAF00C-13EF-426C-B53C-D112FC0CCCBF@tx.rr.com> <5555025E.5050906@triconet.org> <1431655498.14866.151.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <3FF983BB-8438-4F42-A199-878A2819056A@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <6F543C10-9B2F-4BAE-9BF6-6DAA1FA3DA97@elecraft.com> Folks - Political comments are inappropriate for this reflector. That portion of this thread is now closed. Please, no further political comments, regardless of who or what you prefer. 73, Eric List moderator elecraft.com _..._ From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 14 23:36:51 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question In-Reply-To: <8AEC2FCC-8046-4E91-BDBE-3370AB814A7F@tx.rr.com> References: <55553057.3020009@socal.rr.com> <8AEC2FCC-8046-4E91-BDBE-3370AB814A7F@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: The only change to the KRX3 is the addition of a noise reduction mod for the 100-500 kHz range. A mod kit will be available for this. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > I already have the new synth boards in my K3. Just would like to know if the receiver module itself is the same or if it's also been updated for the K3S. > > Grant NQ5T > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 14, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> Perhaps the new synth board some of us have already installed in a K3? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 5/14/15 3:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>> Question .. Part no. is the same, but just to make sure ... >>> >>> Is there something new about the KRX3 sub receiver listed with the K3S, or is it the same legacy component I currently have in my K3? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Grant > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 14 23:36:49 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S at SeaPac ? In-Reply-To: <8659947C-055C-43DA-9E9A-C8E81BA2CD40@mac.com> References: <8659947C-055C-43DA-9E9A-C8E81BA2CD40@mac.com> Message-ID: <57EB856D-9541-44DC-8945-4CAE0556EA3E@elecraft.com> We have three production units here at the Dayton booth. :-) We'll also have the K3S at all the upcoming shows we attend. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 14, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Since Dayton is a bit of a long distance to travel, I am hoping to see a K3S at the SeaPac conference. I mean, Elecraft has had a booth there for a number of years so I am hoping they will be there this June (just a couple of weeks actually). > > I may have missed it but I don?t think I know if Elecraft had an actual K3S or maybe even a prototype of one at Dayton? Something you can put your hands on. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 15 00:10:56 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:10:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> Steve, That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/14/2015 6:16 PM, Outlook.com via Elecraft wrote: > For reasons unknown to me, I am unable to view the K3s DATASHEET or FAQ. Looking at the review of the K3s photo I see a USB connector and an Ethernet connector labeled as rs232/P3. Am I correct? For those that can read the datasheet and/or FAQ, what does the USB do and what does the Ethernet connector do? I am not a computer wizard so be gentle. > > From radioham at mchsi.com Fri May 15 00:50:36 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:50:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. David K0LUM On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri May 15 01:06:29 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:06:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <59A5F618-9871-4949-A567-E8F01C97D556@wunderwood.org> Pretty sure I was using those around 1990 at HP, so 25 years. We had DB-25 shells with a jack in the back. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: > The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. > > Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. > > David K0LUM > > > On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jackbrindle at me.com Fri May 15 01:17:38 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:17:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements. RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. - JackB, W6FB > On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: > > The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. > > Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. > > David K0LUM > > > On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 03:04:47 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 00:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is the big surprise being announced on Thursday? In-Reply-To: <5555660C.6090407@embarqmail.com> References: <009701d08ddd$ec86f220$c594d660$@nc.rr.com> <5555660C.6090407@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <55559A8F.10107@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,5/14/2015 8:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I saw Eric's presentation at FDIM this morning, and I can tell you > that that was the first time I knew what was going on. K6XX is an engineer at Elecraft, and a VERY good friend. He stopped by Tuesday night to drop off K3SYNA modules for me, saving me the shipping charges. He didn't give me even the slightest hint that anything was up (and respecting his need to be discreet, I never ask). I read the news on the reflector this morning. 73, Jim K9YC From roger at monitorsensors.com Fri May 15 03:43:09 2015 From: roger at monitorsensors.com (Roger Crofts) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:43:09 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Re W2 Wattmeter failure Message-ID: <12255094855F4913B5C3561867887D30@ROGERN> Thanks Alan for your thoughts. I appreciate your interest. I too was surprised that 50 watts could damage the op-amps and I was looking for other causes. The W2 was operating OK before the 630m adventure and it certainly was not after. The W2 power supply is a series regulator type and the output is in parallel with a 12V car battery, which also powers the K3. Not much chance of transients getting through that. I do have another theory which is untested. If the input pick-up coils, in conjunction with C1 or C2, were to form a resonant circuit on, or near, 475 KHz, you could have the possibility of much higher RF voltages appearing in unexpected places. I need to check the inductance of the coils to see if that is a possibility. Roger, VK4YB On 13 May 2015 Alan N1AL wrote: I'm looking at the W2 kilowatt sensor schematic and scratching my head trying to figure out how that could have happened. There are 49.9k resistors in series with all the op amp inputs, so there would have to be hundreds of volts coming out of the detectors to damage the devices. Plus the fact that all 4 op amps (actually two dual op amps) were destroyed argues against that as well. I would suspect the 5V op-amp power supply. Perhaps there was a failure in the W2 power supply or maybe a spike on the supply. A large voltage transient causing a current spike in the sensor cable might do it, although it is hard to imagine 50W at 475 kHz doing that. Alan N1AL On 05/12/2015 11:21 PM, Roger Crofts wrote: > I made a rare QSO on 630 metres the other day. My W2 wattmeter was > in-line between the 630m transmitter and the 630m tuner. I was not > using the W2, because my 630m transmitter has its own internal SWR > meter. When I returned to normal HF operation, I noticed the W2 was > not working. I discovered all four unity gain op-amps in the W2 > directional coupler were destroyed. I replaced the op-amps and the W2 > operated normally again. The W2 wattmeter is not intended to operate > below 1.8 MHz, but it does have a 2KW rating, so one could be > forgiven for assuming it could handle 50 watts at 475 KHz. Next time > I operate on 630 metres, I will by-pass the W2. Roger, VK4YB From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Fri May 15 04:20:07 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:20:07 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Quick Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ED10E7C-509E-4BF9-9015-03E47F9AA0DA@gmail.com> It is not just a matter of adding a soundcard for the I/Q feed, as unlike the KX3, the K3 doesn't produce I/Q signals outside the DSP. You'd need to add a quadrature mixer to the IF signal before the roofing filter to generate the I/Q signals for sampling by the soundcards. You could of course do this yourself outside the the radio by feeding the IF output of a KXV3A into a softrock/stereo soundcard, if you want. Or even more more simply, add a P3 :-) 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 15 May 2015, at 6:14 am, Bill Frantz wrote: > > If the USB interface was built to simulate a USB hub with a RS232-USB converter on one port and a sound card on the other, there would no change in driver requirements for the computers and adding another sound card for the I/Q feed might be just a firmware upgrade. > > I don't think we will see a K4 until the basic 8MHz IF architecture of the K3/K3s becomes obsolete. > Upgrade seems to be the Elecraft way. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > >> On 5/14/15 at 10:48 AM, ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) wrote: >> >> Agree with Rick on this.. Nice to have the USB, but its still a bit behind the tech curve. A functional ethernet port and maybe some more internal computation power along with IQ out would have been a better bet IMHO, > > ... > >> K4(?) a K series with more LAN/Remote/Remote PAN display support and with some of the small little goodies they put on the KX3. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the > 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by > www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri May 15 05:21:54 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:21:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 Freq Drift Measurements Message-ID: <201505150921.t4F9Ls58023776@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Gary, I made frequency drift curves simulating JT65 by keying my KX3 at 5w CW on 50-MHz for 50-seconds and measuring frequency every ten seconds with a EIB-538 counter that uses a TCXO reference or can use my Rubidium standard as ext ref. This offers +/-5 E-11 accuracy. Greatest error was 108 Hz before I ran temp compensation procedure. After ward the max drift was about 9-Hz. The data at 10-seconds in the tests after temp compensation are aberrant and I suspect something happened in the temp comp procedure to record a bad offset. http://www.kl7uw.com/KX3_FREQ_DRIFT_TABLE.pdf I think this really supports how well the temp compensation procedure performs. I think you will find much better drift characteristics after running it. I have added a heat sink on my KX3 since making these tests. I find that drift of up to 20-Hz in one minute is acceptable for JT65B which I uses on eme. My K3+DEMI transverter drifts about +7-Hz and then stays near that offset for running past 30-minutes of JT65 on 2m. The KX3 is not as good but is acceptable. Note I run my K3 with an EXREF on 28-MHz seeing about +2 Hz error (but am running at 0-dBm in transverter mode so no extra heat results when transmitting). ----snipped For those that have done similar tests on an uncompensated KX3, do these results seem reasonable? If they are reasonable is it safe to say that successful 6m JT65/JT9 operation even after extended temperature compensation is unlikely? 73's Gary K6YOA 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From iwesterl at bigpond.net.au Fri May 15 05:43:21 2015 From: iwesterl at bigpond.net.au (Ian Westerland) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:43:21 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power settings Message-ID: <20150515094333.HIOO15095.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw07p> Hi! I run my K3 on 100 Watts on HF bands. When I switch to 2 meters the power changes to around 10 Watts but doesn't revert to the 100 setting when I go back toHF. Should the power level change back and if not, what setting do I need to change? My speach output is not giving me quite enough information to know what to do. 73 to all. Ian Westerland, VK3vin From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri May 15 06:19:36 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:19:36 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Power settings In-Reply-To: <20150515094333.HIOO15095.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw07p> References: <20150515094333.HIOO15095.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw07p> Message-ID: <6350BB87-2FC9-48FA-9161-0B25C13E6331@gmail.com> Check that you have CONFIG:PWR SET to PER BAND. Not sure, because I don't have a transverter. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 15, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Ian Westerland wrote: > > Hi! I run my K3 on 100 Watts on HF bands. When I switch to 2 meters the power changes to around 10 Watts but doesn't revert to the 100 setting when I go back toHF. Should the power level change back and if not, what setting do I need to change? My speach output is not giving me quite enough information to know what to do. > > 73 to all. > > > > Ian Westerland, VK3vin > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 15 06:22:04 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 06:22:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as the original RS232 jack on the K3. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. > There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually > leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet > the spec requirements. > > RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. > > - JackB, W6FB > >> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >> >> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >> >> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From pf at tippete.net Fri May 15 06:27:07 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:27:07 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Power settings In-Reply-To: <20150515094333.HIOO15095.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw07p> (Ian Westerland's message of "Fri, 15 May 2015 19:43:21 +1000") References: <20150515094333.HIOO15095.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw07p> Message-ID: <87lhgqkuf8.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> >>>>> "Ian" == Ian Westerland writes: Ian> Hi! I run my K3 on 100 Watts on HF bands. When I switch to 2 meters Ian> the power changes to around 10 Watts but doesn't revert to the 100 Ian> setting when I go back toHF. Should the power level change back and Ian> if not, what setting do I need to change? My speach output is not Ian> giving me quite enough information to know what to do. You can have the radio save power levels per band. Check "PWR SET" in the config menu. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri May 15 06:42:20 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 05:42:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Various Updates Message-ID: <6B891BBB-F96A-44EB-BFFF-EBC71263504B@gmail.com> First, as soon as I saw it was available, I ordered the P3TX monitor. I don?t really care about looking at my waveforms, but I do like the ability to see my power out and SWR on the P3 and use the K3 meter for ALC. For $50 less than the W2 *and* to have it integrated therefore minimizing my station footprint is something I?ve been greatly anticipating. In that respect (minimizing my station footprint), I am also looking forward to more specs regarding the KIO3B. I currently use a Creative Labs E-MU 0204 sound card for digital modes. This sound card allows me to detect JT65 / JT9 and Olivia 8-250 way down into the noise floor. I regularly decode JT65 at < -20. Being able to integrate the sound card with the K3 would be great, but I won?t do it at the expense of being able to ?hear? those signals. I will eagerly await testing by others to see if the new interface will provide that level of detection. Are there specs for the KIO3B audio chip somewhere? As for RS232 / DB9 / DB25, I won?t get hung up on the ?theory-crafting? aspect of the hobby that so many others enjoy to carry you out in the weeds with, but I will tell you that the standard is not followed everywhere. Sure, you get TX, RX, and Gnd, but don?t *dare* think you?ll get it where you expect on everything you encounter. At work, we use an FLC by GarrettCom that uses pins 1 and 6 for TX / RX on Ch 1, pins 2 and 7 for Ch2, pins 3 and 8 for Ch3, pins 4 and 9 for Ch4, and pin 5 for ground. Try to figure that out on your own in Alabama inside a substation in August with no breeze. :) Try to figure out that the device you?re trying to talk to uses DCE instead of DTE? All kinds of little nuances out there to encounter. In my job, I?ve seen lots of stuff like that and I dare say I have *not* seen it all. :) 73, Joel - W4JBB From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 15 07:30:08 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:30:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton kit forum today--brief K3S presentation Message-ID: Hi all, If you're at Dayton, please stop by the kit forum at 11:45 this morning in room 5. Joe (K0NEB) always does a great job, and there will be a couple of other presenters. I'll show a K3S and discuss its new features. The K3S will be available as a no-soldering kit (or factory assembled). 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From py5eg at iesa.com.br Fri May 15 07:34:36 2015 From: py5eg at iesa.com.br (py5eg) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:34:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S at SeaPac ? In-Reply-To: <57EB856D-9541-44DC-8945-4CAE0556EA3E@elecraft.com> References: <8659947C-055C-43DA-9E9A-C8E81BA2CD40@mac.com> <57EB856D-9541-44DC-8945-4CAE0556EA3E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Gi Eric Congratulation for THE New toy Our recognition for the usual nice job done by all the Elecraft team What os the delivery time? 73 Oms PY5EG Enviado do meu iPhone > Em 14/05/2015, ?s 23:41, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft escreveu: > > We have three production units here at the Dayton booth. :-) > > We'll also have the K3S at all the upcoming shows we attend. > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > >> On May 14, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> >> Since Dayton is a bit of a long distance to travel, I am hoping to see a K3S at the SeaPac conference. I mean, Elecraft has had a booth there for a number of years so I am hoping they will be there this June (just a couple of weeks actually). >> >> I may have missed it but I don?t think I know if Elecraft had an actual K3S or maybe even a prototype of one at Dayton? Something you can put your hands on. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to py5eg at iesa.com.br From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri May 15 08:15:56 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? Message-ID: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> With the introduction of the K3S and the KSYN3A synth upgrade kit - I get the feeling that my unupgraded K3 (6xxx serial number) really took a serious hit in value. Originally, I put $2909 (less shipping) into my K3 kit, with 100 Watts, tuner, IF adapter (for the P3), wide coverage, AM filter, narrow SSB filter. Maybe my math is off, but it looks to me that a new K3S equipped the same would cost me about $3600. It is fair to say the slightly over 20% increase is for inflation and improved specifications. I felt that my K3 was worth about $2300 as a used piece of gear. After the new synth was introduced, that was reduced to about $2100. Now with the K3S on the market, I figure a realistic value would be closer to $1800 (maybe less). Perhaps my estimates are low, but being realistic and _IF_ wanting to sell............... Yet another value question: will the firmware upgrades for the K3 continue - or will only the K3S be supported? How long for the K3 - if supported at all? Am I going to sell? No! I have the P3, KAT500, and KPA500 - so I am all into the K-Line. Will I upgrade to the K3S - I'll wait and read the user comments in a few months. Same for the upgraded synth - if I thought I needed it for my rag chew on 75/40 operation - I'd order it immediately. With my thinking and estimating in mind, I wonder how many will soon upgrade from the K3 to the K3S? Bill W2BLC K-Line ** From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Fri May 15 08:42:58 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:42:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <014c01d08f0c$acbb4d00$0631e700$@gmail.com> I disagree, Wunder. "K3's" is possessive (as in, "...the K3's wonderful receive sensitivity..."), not plural. Maybe we need to convince the Elecraft powers that be to rename the K3s as the K3S (capital "S"), so we can tell the difference. :-) And, for the record, I was a middle school English teacher in a prior life and have always been something of a grammar cop. :-) 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:17 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. Use "K3's" for multiple K3 transceivers. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 14, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the new K3s announcements. > > In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we already own and the new K3s that was just announced. > > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his K3 radios. > "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! > > ;o) > > > Terry, W0FM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From dhhdeh at comcast.net Fri May 15 08:46:48 2015 From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (dhhdeh at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Questoin In-Reply-To: <361092631.14533096.1431693837365.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <403722500.14536252.1431694008291.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Wayne, ? One of the original K3?s claims to fame was that the main receiver and sub receiver were identical?perhaps the only dual receiver transceiver to have this feature. The original K3 data sheets states: ??..Within the top echelon of transceivers, only the K3 offers state-of-the-art, identical main and subreceivers? ? If the KRX3 will not have any changes to it other than the addition of a noise reduction mod for the 100-500 kHz range, then the two receivers will no longer be identical, n?est pas? ? I realize that in practice they may be very nearly so, but as I read the spec?s and FAQ?s on the K3S, its main receiver will have new features and improved performance ( added 5/10/15dB attenuator, lower RF and digital noise floor, better port-to-port isolation) which I interpret, based on your comment here earlier, will not be available/included in the KRX3. Am I missing something? ? I am not an?engineer but I am a technically informed and competent user, so I would appreciate your clarification on this point as I contemplate whether to upgrade, to upgrade but retain my original KRX3 or stand pat with my K3 as is. ? BTW... the year I decide not to go to Dayton, you decide to do this! arrgh.... ? Thanks and 73 de N1LQ - Dave K3 #371 From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 15 09:02:36 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 09:02:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <014c01d08f0c$acbb4d00$0631e700$@gmail.com> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net> <9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <014c01d08f0c$acbb4d00$0631e700$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It *is* in fact a capital S. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 8:42 AM, "Ian - Ham" wrote: > > I disagree, Wunder. "K3's" is possessive (as in, "...the K3's wonderful > receive sensitivity..."), not plural. Maybe we need to convince the Elecraft > powers that be to rename the K3s as the K3S (capital "S"), so we can tell > the difference. :-) > > And, for the record, I was a middle school English teacher in a prior life > and have always been something of a grammar cop. :-) > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter > Underwood > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:17 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. > > Use "K3's" for multiple K3 transceivers. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On May 14, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> >> I see that Elecraft is using the lower case "s" in the model number of the > new K3s announcements. >> >> In just this short time today it has become apparent that this reflector > may now need a pretty precise discriminator between the K3s (plural) that we > already own and the new K3s that was just announced. >> >> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling all three of his > K3 radios. >> "I'm selling my K3s" can be interpreted as a guy selling the brand new, > improved model K3s that was just delivered to him! >> >> ;o) >> >> >> Terry, W0FM >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri May 15 09:15:18 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 09:15:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <23909127-5457-4256-9470-386C649914B2@verizon.net> OTOH, most automobiles are manufactured by the millions, by companies with budgets in the billions. And, I suspect that the "discounts" are already built into the pricing strategy. Last year's models usually benefit from a price reduction, mostly because the dealerships do not want the inventory cost of keeping a lot of old models around. A much different market scale. 73 de Ray K2ULR On May 14, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Guy > > The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of > arrival > on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or upgraded > models. > > Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate. > > Just sayin...... > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > >>> >>> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >>> >>>> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up >>>> and buy >>>> the >>>> newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is a sad >>>> day. >>>> >>> >> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) >> >> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) >> >> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a >> year. >> >> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an >> incrementally >> improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way to shoehorn >> a new >> mod into the old chassis. >> >> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine >> until it >> has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good repair. >> Ditto on >> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the >> shack, >> keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 has >> already >> been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad world. >> >> 73, Guy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 09:23:51 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A SUPERB COMPANY ! In-Reply-To: <5554D8C3.80200@sunflower.com> References: <5554D8C3.80200@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <93174413.974678.1431696231883.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have to agree,?I don't understand why so many are upset over a new product being released, in today's economy it's good to see a company in good shape and developing new gear. The only real thing I'm looking forward to is the parts kit to lower the lower RX edge to 100KHz (and hopefully a firmware change to take it even lower). For me I doubt I'll be moving to the K3s very soon since I'm quite happy with my K3, after all my K3 was a fantastic radio two days ago and it will be a fantastic radio tomorrow as well. From: Phil Anderson To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] A SUPERB COMPANY ! I was not disappointed with the announcements/postings today. On the contrary, what a super day! I recently added the P3, SVG and SUB-RX to my K3. Still, I like the announcements today. What shows is a company that is constantly improving its product and trying hard to satisfy nearly everyone with as many upgrades as possible. That's backing up the customer! This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Now let's support the company! I'll give it some thought first, but now considering going from S02V to S02R. The new rig, of course, would be the K3S! Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From cyaffey at gmail.com Fri May 15 09:42:48 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 09:42:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <88C5998E-9A14-4AF0-9B5E-D1B75704FB07@gmail.com> I?m going to look at these two options: 1) Buy a new K3S and sell my K3. 2) Send my K3 to Elecraft and have them upgrade it as far as possible to a K3S. It will be interesting to see which costs the most. 73, Carl K8NU > On May 15, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill wrote: > > With the introduction of the K3S and the KSYN3A synth upgrade kit - I get the feeling that my unupgraded K3 (6xxx serial number) really took a serious hit in value. Originally, I put $2909 (less shipping) into my K3 kit, with 100 Watts, tuner, IF adapter (for the P3), wide coverage, AM filter, narrow SSB filter. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri May 15 09:48:37 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:48:37 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <88C5998E-9A14-4AF0-9B5E-D1B75704FB07@gmail.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> <88C5998E-9A14-4AF0-9B5E-D1B75704FB07@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5555F935.4050101@gmail.com> You could also buy a few pieces from Elecraft and plug them into your K3. It would probably take you an afternoon and be less expensive than your option 2. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 15 May 2015 16:42, Carl Yaffey wrote: > I?m going to look at these two options: > 1) Buy a new K3S and sell my K3. > 2) Send my K3 to Elecraft and have them upgrade it as far as possible to a K3S. > > It will be interesting to see which costs the most. > 73, > Carl K8NU > >> On May 15, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Bill wrote: >> >> With the introduction of the K3S and the KSYN3A synth upgrade kit - I get the feeling that my unupgraded K3 (6xxx serial number) really took a serious hit in value. Originally, I put $2909 (less shipping) into my K3 kit, with 100 Watts, tuner, IF adapter (for the P3), wide coverage, AM filter, narrow SSB filter. > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Fri May 15 09:51:49 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:51:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Bill, "Craig" at Elecraft assures me that the K3 will be fully supported in for the foreseeable future. The utility will automatically determine which version it's connected to when updating. Nothing changes for the K3 user. 73 ! Ken - K0PP K3 S/N 0056 From phystad at mac.com Fri May 15 10:34:39 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <38E1B51F-E567-4AC3-95C0-5AC027DD434B@mac.com> > > "Craig" at Elecraft assures me that the K3 will be fully supported in for > the foreseeable future. > And, I am thinking that owner?s of a K3 really have no where else to go if they want on-going support of their rigs from the vendor. What other vendor even comes close to the kind of support given by Elecraft. That is, the minute that you take ownership of a brand new Icom, Kenwood, or whatever, the availability of upgrading your rig ends for the most part. 73, phil, K7PEH From tom at nilza.org Fri May 15 11:06:31 2015 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <55560B77.1060605@nilza.org> I plan to add in all the upgrades possible as I have been doing all along. I am not worried about the resale value of my K3 falling as I have gotten any value loss back many fold in enjoyable operating. With the upgrades will be nice to have coverage down to 100KHz so the new LF bands will be included. 73, tom w7sua (s/n 17xx) On 5/15/2015 5:15 AM, Bill wrote: > With the introduction of the K3S and the KSYN3A synth upgrade kit - I > get the feeling that my unupgraded K3 (6xxx serial number) really took a > serious hit in value. [...] > With my thinking and estimating in mind, I wonder how many will soon > upgrade from the K3 to the K3S? From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri May 15 11:16:50 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:16:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> My approach would be to buy the K3S and transfer the add-ons that will transfer (small mods req too) to the new rig. Then the K3 could be a bare bones QRP rig and also use it for other locations in the house away from the shack. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-drop-in-used-value-tp7602893p7602904.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri May 15 12:53:40 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 10:53:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 Message-ID: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> Is the factory still selling the K3 or has it been replaced with the K3S. I couldn't tell for sure from the website. -- K5DKZ From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri May 15 11:54:35 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Dayton kit forum today--brief K3S presentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555616BB.2080900@socal.rr.com> Wayne, Will the presentation be posted at your website? Phil W7OX On 5/15/15 4:30 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > > Hi all, > > If you're at Dayton, please stop by the kit > forum at 11:45 this morning in room 5. Joe > (K0NEB) always does a great job, and there will > be a couple of other presenters. > > I'll show a K3S and discuss its new features. > The K3S will be available as a no-soldering kit > (or factory assembled). > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > __._,_.___ > -------------------------------------------------- > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > -------------------------------------------------- > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 23 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > > ? Unsubscribe > > ? Terms of Use > > > . > > __,_._,___ From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Fri May 15 11:56:02 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:56:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 In-Reply-To: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> References: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> I understood it's no longer for sale 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- Study without desire spoils the memory, and it retains nothing that it takes in. -- Leonardo da Vinci > On 15 May 2015, at 17:53, bs usb wrote: > > Is the factory still selling the K3 or has it been replaced with the K3S. > > I couldn't tell for sure from the website. > > -- > K5DKZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From tf3y at tf3y.net Fri May 15 12:02:49 2015 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:02:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Personally I think it is very hard to come up with a Consumer Electronics device that has retained value as well as the K3. No doubt this can be traced to the loyalty of Elecraft to its clients and their excellent support and responsiveness. I think Elecraft has been and will be rewarded by reciprocal loyalty. As with all modern electronics advancements eventually makes most everything obsolete. 73, Yngvi TF3Y On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:16 PM, ke9uw wrote: > My approach would be to buy the K3S and transfer the add-ons that will > transfer (small mods req too) to the new rig. Then the K3 could be a bare > bones QRP rig and also use it for other locations in the house away from > the > shack. > > > > ----- > Chuck, KE9UW > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-drop-in-used-value-tp7602893p7602904.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tf3y at tf3y.net > -- http://www.tf3y.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 12:10:43 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1359778726.418872.1431706243536.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I believe all manufactures now offer update to their products. ?I have updated my YAESU and Kenwood xcvrs several times. ?True they maybe be software not hardware, but the results maybe close to the same. George, W6GF On Friday, May 15, 2015 8:54 AM, ke9uw wrote: My approach would be to buy the K3S and transfer the add-ons that will transfer (small mods req too) to the new rig. Then the K3 could be a bare bones QRP rig and also use it for other locations in the house away from the shack. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-drop-in-used-value-tp7602893p7602904.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Fri May 15 12:10:53 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:10:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> On 2015-05-12 12:40 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Not true, Joe. Both CW and FSK involve 100% modulation of a carrier > by square waves. That's why rise time and shaping of the keying > signal matters. While that is true, using a class C amplifier with properly shaped CW, FSK or JT65/JT9 will not significantly change the bandwidth of the signal. Yes, there will be some increased "click" at the top of the rising edge but the impact will be nowhere near as significant as an ALC system with severe overshoot driving a PA with only -30 dB IMD on SSB. > I don't buy your complaints about my PSK31 measurements. It has never > been my practice to drive amplifiers into saturation. If you are measuring 100W average power on PSK31 (anything more than 25 to 40 W depending on data) you are driving the KPA3 into saturation. If you are not measuring 100W average power in your tests, you are not fully testing the IMD of the KPA3 (at least as generated by the "all knobs to the right" class of operators). The vast majority of amateurs do not have calibrated scopes on the output of their transmitter/amplifier to keep the instantaneous peak output below the onset of compression in the final stage of power amplification. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-12 12:40 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,5/11/2015 8:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> IMD is not an issue with CW or FSK (or JT65/JT9 for that matter) - they >> are modes designed to work with saturated (class C) amplifiers. IMD is >> a real issue with SSB when you separate out all the other junk caused >> by bad ALC, excess IF gain and excess *audio* processing. > > Not true, Joe. Both CW and FSK involve 100% modulation of a carrier by > square waves. That's why rise time and shaping of the keying signal > matters. That's what Elecraft changed when they cleaned up their FSK a > year or two ago. That's why some rigs click a lot wider than others. > Compare the keying spectrum with the unkeyed steady carrier. > > Further, EVERY component of audio excites IMD, depending on the relative > strength of all of the thousands of components. It is NOT to over > processing audio -- the distortion of excessive processing and > overdriven audio happens at baseband (audio) and in the audio chain. > > I don't buy your complaints about my PSK31 measurements. It has never > been my practice to drive amplifiers into saturation. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Fri May 15 12:29:56 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:29:56 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. In-Reply-To: <014c01d08f0c$acbb4d00$0631e700$@gmail.com> References: <000601d08e79$d45ebd30$7d1c3790$@net><9C82B12C-42FE-4725-BD3C-5E963B06AFBA@wunderwood.org> <014c01d08f0c$acbb4d00$0631e700$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not quite true. :-) K3's could also be a contraction as in "The K3's the best transceiver in the World". However, the "S" is a capital letter so the contraction would have to be "The K3S's ....................." which almost certainly wouldn't be used because it's cumbersome and it's far easier (and sounds better) to say "The K3S is ...........". 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Ian - Ham Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:42 PM To: 'Walter Underwood' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s and K3S. I disagree, Wunder. "K3's" is possessive (as in, "...the K3's wonderful receive sensitivity..."), not plural. Maybe we need to convince the Elecraft powers that be to rename the K3s as the K3S (capital "S"), so we can tell the difference. :-) And, for the record, I was a middle school English teacher in a prior life and have always been something of a grammar cop. :-) 73 de, --Ian From mcb2179 at gmail.com Fri May 15 12:33:10 2015 From: mcb2179 at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey, II) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question Message-ID: Hi all I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. I'm sure I'm missing something here. Thoughts? Thanks 73, Morgan, NS0R. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 12:44:54 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 09:44:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> Message-ID: <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,5/15/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > The vast majority of amateurs do not have calibrated scopes on the > output of their transmitter/amplifier to keep the instantaneous peak > output below the onset of compression in the final stage of power > amplification. No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. As both my measurements and K6XX measurements clearly show, IMD in the K3 drops significantly below full power. 73, Jim K9YC From phystad at mac.com Fri May 15 13:07:45 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 10:07:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS In-Reply-To: <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: If you look at the Elecraft shipping status page, you see that the K3 is listed as being delayed due to shortage of important part. Note the quoted section below (5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this period will then ship based on their order date when we resume shipping. Now, if you look at the posting date of May 5th, factor in the KXS announcement of May 14th, you might wonder if Elecraft purposely delayed shipping of K3s ordered just prior to the KXS announcement to give these buyers the option of switching to the KXS. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 15, 2015, at 8:56 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > > I understood it's no longer for sale > 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) > -- > Study without desire spoils the memory, and it retains nothing that it takes in. -- Leonardo da Vinci > >> On 15 May 2015, at 17:53, bs usb wrote: >> >> Is the factory still selling the K3 or has it been replaced with the K3S. >> >> I couldn't tell for sure from the website. >> >> -- >> K5DKZ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From nf4l at comcast.net Fri May 15 13:18:30 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:18:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What you say is of course true. Death is also inevitable, and most (not all) are saddened by it's arrival and miss the departed. It's an emotional time. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 15, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Yngvi (TF3Y) wrote: > > Personally I think it is very hard to come up with a Consumer Electronics > device that has retained value as well as the K3. No doubt this can be > traced to the loyalty of Elecraft to its clients and their excellent > support and responsiveness. I think Elecraft has been and will be rewarded > by reciprocal loyalty. > > As with all modern electronics advancements eventually makes most > everything obsolete. > > 73, Yngvi TF3Y From wes at triconet.org Fri May 15 13:25:40 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 10:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> <1431703010193-7602904.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55562C14.2000301@triconet.org> B.B. King. The Thrill is Gone. On 5/15/2015 10:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > What you say is of course true. Death is also inevitable, and most (not all) are saddened by it's arrival and miss the departed. It's an emotional time. > > 73, Mike NF4L From ejkkjh at gmail.com Fri May 15 13:28:09 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question Message-ID: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> I can not get the PR6 to bypass? I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried connecting a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to use the K3 receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the jumper P2 in the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the PR6 connected to one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, other side of the Y goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 set on for 6 meters only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin power, ctrl connector from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant works fine. Read through the manuals, did not see what I am missing? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 Emory WM3M From fcady at ece.montana.edu Fri May 15 14:22:41 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:22:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question In-Reply-To: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> References: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045D844457@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> There is a problem with the relative impedances on the DIGOUT1 pin when connected to the KPA and KAT500s that pull the signal low and keep the PR6 turned on. You have to clip that pin in the cable going to the KAT and KPA (I forget which one it is, maybe pin 10?). Cheers, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners Coming soon: "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3, and 2M/4M Transverter -- Assembling the KX3-Line Station" -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ejkkjh at gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:28 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question I can not get the PR6 to bypass? I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried connecting a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to use the K3 receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the jumper P2 in the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the PR6 connected to one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, other side of the Y goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 set on for 6 meters only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin power, ctrl connector from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant works fine. Read through the manuals, did not see what I am missing? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 Emory WM3M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From lists at subich.com Fri May 15 14:41:55 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55563DF3.2080504@subich.com> > there isn't much difference between the two [400 Hz and 250 Hz] > filters, Correct. There is much debate but in my opinion the difference is not worth the cost of both filters. > based on this data alone it would seem that the better choice would > be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. Even though the 200 Hz filter has a broader shape factor, comparing selectivity curves of the 200 and 250 Hz filters shows that the 200 Hz filter is tighter than the 250 Hz filter until the skirt response is down nearly 50 dB. My decision was to pair the 200 Hz with the 400 Hz filter. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-15 12:33 PM, Morgan Bailey, II wrote: > Hi all > > I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. > > I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another > roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has > served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX > cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen > the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial > gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning > whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't > much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it > would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > > 73, Morgan, NS0R. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jbollit at outlook.com Fri May 15 14:43:31 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:43:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? In-Reply-To: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> References: <5555E37C.5090507@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: The current K3 capabilities are not anywhere used to their fullest potential by most amateurs. No poll involved, but in major contests is where you will find the K3 potential of benefit. And that statement goes for CW, SSB is a question in my mind as I don't bother with SSB. The current K3 is MORE that capable if you are gunning for Top 10 (or better) finish in ANY major contest. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:16 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - drop in used value? With the introduction of the K3S and the KSYN3A synth upgrade kit - I get the feeling that my unupgraded K3 (6xxx serial number) really took a serious hit in value. Originally, I put $2909 (less shipping) into my K3 kit, with 100 Watts, tuner, IF adapter (for the P3), wide coverage, AM filter, narrow SSB filter. Maybe my math is off, but it looks to me that a new K3S equipped the same would cost me about $3600. It is fair to say the slightly over 20% increase is for inflation and improved specifications. I felt that my K3 was worth about $2300 as a used piece of gear. After the new synth was introduced, that was reduced to about $2100. Now with the K3S on the market, I figure a realistic value would be closer to $1800 (maybe less). Perhaps my estimates are low, but being realistic and _IF_ wanting to sell............... Yet another value question: will the firmware upgrades for the K3 continue - or will only the K3S be supported? How long for the K3 - if supported at all? Am I going to sell? No! I have the P3, KAT500, and KPA500 - so I am all into the K-Line. Will I upgrade to the K3S - I'll wait and read the user comments in a few months. Same for the upgraded synth - if I thought I needed it for my rag chew on 75/40 operation - I'd order it immediately. With my thinking and estimating in mind, I wonder how many will soon upgrade from the K3 to the K3S? Bill W2BLC K-Line ** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From kb9bvn at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:46:40 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian -) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:46:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Prices falling? Message-ID: I heard someone was saying that K3 prices on the used market are going to plummet because of the new K3S being released. If you have a nasty old depreciated K3 that you don't want to keep now that the new baby is here, I might be interested. Thank you -- 73 de KB9BVN Brian Murrey From jbollit at outlook.com Fri May 15 14:48:40 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:48:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <23909127-5457-4256-9470-386C649914B2@verizon.net> References: <1431632211.14866.132.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <23909127-5457-4256-9470-386C649914B2@verizon.net> Message-ID: The art and science of market pricing applies to all, regardless of what they are selling. The above statement holds true only if you want to be a long term viable business. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray Sills Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:15 AM To: Ray W2RS via Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk OTOH, most automobiles are manufactured by the millions, by companies with budgets in the billions. And, I suspect that the "discounts" are already built into the pricing strategy. Last year's models usually benefit from a price reduction, mostly because the dealerships do not want the inventory cost of keeping a lot of old models around. A much different market scale. 73 de Ray K2ULR On May 14, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Guy > > The auto manufacturers advertise the new models well in advance of > arrival on the showroom. They also offer substantial discounts or > upgraded models. > > Perhaps your auto analagy might not be appropriate. > > Just sayin...... > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 15/05/2015 11:20 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > >>> >>> On 5/14/2015 9:27 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: >>> >>>> ?So Basically my K3 is no longer in production. After saving up and >>>> buy the newest retirement rig, it is now out of production. This is >>>> a sad day. >>>> >>> >> Gerald, did you ever buy a new car? :>) >> >> What did you do when the next year's models came out? :>) >> >> And that cost way more than a K3. And new car models come once a >> year. >> >> The K3 is the model since 2008. That's a long time for an >> incrementally improved "same" model. Sooner or later there is no way >> to shoehorn a new mod into the old chassis. >> >> My solution to the new model year car conundrum is to drive mine >> until it has 250,000 miles on it and keep it maintained and in good >> repair. >> Ditto on >> the K3. Though I might later get a K3S and never take it out of the >> shack, keep the K3 as I frequently go walkabout with the K3. The K3 >> has already been pre-disastered and is the one to risk to the big bad >> world. >> >> 73, Guy >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > raysills3 at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k2mk at comcast.net Fri May 15 14:48:50 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:48:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question In-Reply-To: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> References: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> Message-ID: <1431715730534-7602922.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Emory, You have to remove pin 11 from the 15 pin connector. You can do it on the K3 side or the KPA500 side. For an explanation search the archive for: pin 11 problem It's easy to do. Carefully identify it and grab it with a small needle nose pliers. Gently wiggle it back and forth and it will break off. 73, Mike K2MK ejkkjh wrote > I can not get the PR6 to bypass? > I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried connecting > a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to use the K3 > receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the jumper P2 in > the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the PR6 connected to > one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, other side of the Y > goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 set on for 6 meters > only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin power, ctrl connector > from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant works fine. Read through > the manuals, did not see what I am missing? > Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 > Emory WM3M -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-PR6-bypass-question-tp7602917p7602922.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Fri May 15 14:53:27 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 20:53:27 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] The New K3S to the Old K3 In-Reply-To: <555565E9.8060501@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555565E9.8060501@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555640A7.4040609@xs4all.nl> I have the new Synt3A boards in my old (?) K3. It has all the other easy hardware mods installed that have come to us. Am I desperate for the K3S USB port? No. The new attenuator and audio-amp? No The extra pre-amp? Might consider that as an upgrade although I hear enough band noise when I connect the antenna on the HF bands ( I never work on 6m). So my two cents worth: The old K3, mods and synth3A is a super performer, why move to the 'S'? I'll wait till the K4 comes along, which will be a next generation DSP-rig that will blow us away like the K2 and K3 did when they come on the market. 73, Arie PA3A > > As Rob Sherwood said today in his annual talk at Dayton, you will > notice it if you have a close neighbor running power, and he'll notice > the difference when you transmit. > > From jbollit at outlook.com Fri May 15 14:54:48 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:54:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why are you considering a tighter roofing filter? Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan Bailey, II Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:33 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question Hi all I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. I'm sure I'm missing something here. Thoughts? Thanks 73, Morgan, NS0R. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Fri May 15 14:57:06 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 11:57:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sri, just read why. CWSS is an interesting contest with the K3. I have both 400 and 200 and rarely went to the 200 Hz. Not worth it. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan Bailey, II Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:33 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question Hi all I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. I'm sure I'm missing something here. Thoughts? Thanks 73, Morgan, NS0R. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:59:17 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 21:59:17 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You aren't missing anything. The 6 dB bandwidth of the "400" Hz filter is closer to 450 Hz and the "250" is closer to 350. The "200" is close to 250. I took the advice of the K3's designer and chose the 200 to go with my 400. I've been happy with the combination. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 15, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Morgan Bailey, II wrote: > > Hi all > > I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. > > I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another > roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has > served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX > cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen > the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial > gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning > whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't > much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it > would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > > 73, Morgan, NS0R. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Fri May 15 14:59:32 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55564214.3040909@n4rp.com> Certainly seems to me that he pretty well covered that in is post.... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/15/2015 2:54 PM, jim wrote: > Why are you considering a tighter roofing filter? > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan > Bailey, II > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:33 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question > > Hi all > > I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. > > I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another > roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served > me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw > contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the > filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut > feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether > or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much > difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would > seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > > 73, Morgan, NS0R. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Fri May 15 15:05:01 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5556435D.2090802@sunflower.com> Morgan, I have the K3 RX and SUB RX too and have both the 200 and 400 Hz filters in each. My location is a bit noisy so I often find myself going down to 200 Hz filters......makes a difference here. I also like to hit A>B and listen at 200 in my left ear plus 200 Hz in my right ear on the same frequency.........also use diversity on occastion..........helps bring up the signal out of the noise. Phil, W0XI > Morgan Bailey, II > Friday, May 15, 2015 11:33 AM > Hi all > > I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. > > I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another > roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has > served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX > cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen > the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial > gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning > whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't > much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it > would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > > 73, Morgan, NS0R. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Fri May 15 15:34:10 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions Message-ID: 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is 5'6" but longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, or...? 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available for low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have power/SWR right there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice as tall as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die by the waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a corner, like: 98.7 1.2:1 Thanks and 73! jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From jamesforsman at me.com Fri May 15 15:42:32 2015 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 12:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Prices falling? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FC8739F-9181-4418-BB36-7EB732A75760@me.com> The vultures are hungrily circling! On May 15, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Brian - wrote: If you have a nasty old depreciated K3 that you don't want to keep now that the new baby is here, I might be interested. From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Fri May 15 16:05:15 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:05:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Message-ID: I have questions... I am VERY excited at the notion that I will be able to eliminate "real" serial ports from my life.... 1. Will we be able to transmit "true" 45.45 baud FSK RTTY via the USB port? 2. Will the FSK transmit in the manner consistent with certain popular contest loggers that support SO2V - specifically, two virtual COM ports that key transmit based on VFO A and VFO B? (This would be in addition to the virtual COM port for rig control.) 3. I have no doubt the sound card spec will be good, but I'm still curious as to what the specs will be. ;) 4. I suppose it is too late to ask you to put the audio connections - which I will probably still fiddle with the most - above the ACC/USB/serial ports? ;) Thanks and 73! jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From bill at wjschmidt.com Fri May 15 16:24:21 2015 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 16:24:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B2568B8-B56E-4DB6-97B6-C1295B9BCA4A@wjschmidt.com> A baby step forward. Another serial port? That still puts it behind most radios in com capabilities. I built my own KIO3 replacement with an ethernet server to control all of the functions remotely and had thought maybe we would see that, but it was not to be. Maybe i need to market that now myself. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill at wjschmidt.com > On May 15, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: > > I have questions... I am VERY excited at the notion that I will be able to > eliminate "real" serial ports from my life.... > > 1. Will we be able to transmit "true" 45.45 baud FSK RTTY via the USB port? > > 2. Will the FSK transmit in the manner consistent with certain popular > contest loggers that support SO2V - specifically, two virtual COM ports > that key transmit based on VFO A and VFO B? (This would be in addition to > the virtual COM port for rig control.) > > 3. I have no doubt the sound card spec will be good, but I'm still curious > as to what the specs will be. ;) > > 4. I suppose it is too late to ask you to put the audio connections - which > I will probably still fiddle with the most - above the ACC/USB/serial > ports? ;) > > Thanks and 73! jeff wk6i > > -- > Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ > Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From Mike at ve3yf.com Fri May 15 16:28:19 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 20:28:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor Message-ID: Hi: Can someone ask the Elecraft crew at Dayton if these are currently shipping. I have looked thru the FAQ and don' see anything about availibliity and shipping. I have just ordered 1 and just curious. Tnx and have a great time at Dayton...... 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri May 15 16:29:05 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:29:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55565711.4090207@gmail.com> For FSK operation you need to use the FSK input pin on the Accessory connector, the same as a K3. AFSK, of course, can be routed through the USB audio path. 73, Lyle KK7P > 1. Will we be able to transmit "true" 45.45 baud FSK RTTY via the USB port? From ab2tc at arrl.net Fri May 15 16:42:21 2015 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 13:42:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S schematic Message-ID: <1431722541133-7602936.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Will there be a schematic forthcoming for the K3S? So far every radio I have ever purchased, including from Yaesu and Icom, has come with a schematic. AB2TC - Knut -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-schematic-tp7602936.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri May 15 17:22:03 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:22:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 Message-ID: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> For someone who knows (e.g. Wayne, Eric, K6XX, etc): Are the only differences the following: 1. KRX3A includes KSYN3A 2. KRX3A comes with low noise mod. Are there any *other* differences? If not, I should be able to add a KSYN3A, do the low noise mod myself and use my KRX3 in the K3S, but I don't want to assume without asking. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRX3A-vs-KRX3-tp7602937.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2mk at comcast.net Fri May 15 17:28:20 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:28:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question In-Reply-To: <1431715730534-7602922.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> <1431715730534-7602922.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431725300599-7602938.post@n2.nabble.com> HI again Emory, I want to add a clarification. I pulled up the old post from WB6RSE where he explains the problem. Pin 11 on the K3 is the DIGOUT signal that you want to get to the PR6. Pin 11 on the KPA500 is an amplifier inhibit input. You don't want to snip the pin at the K3 or it won't get to the PR6. Since you are using a Y adapter you want to snip pin 11 in the leg that goes to the KPA500 or directly at the KPA500. Wherever you have a male pin. 73, Mike K2MK Mike K2MK wrote > Hi Emory, > > You have to remove pin 11 from the 15 pin connector. You can do it on the > K3 side or the KPA500 side. For an explanation search the archive for: > > pin 11 problem > > It's easy to do. Carefully identify it and grab it with a small needle > nose pliers. Gently wiggle it back and forth and it will break off. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > ejkkjh wrote >> I can not get the PR6 to bypass? >> I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried >> connecting a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to >> use the K3 receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the >> jumper P2 in the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the >> PR6 connected to one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, >> other side of the Y goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 >> set on for 6 meters only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin >> power, ctrl connector from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant >> works fine. Read through the manuals, did not see what I am missing? >> Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 >> Emory WM3M -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-PR6-bypass-question-tp7602917p7602938.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri May 15 17:47:24 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth, I operate PSK a fair bit. I would say that most operators report using between 25 and 35 watts. (I'm generally at 5 watts, unless I fuzz out when changing from RTTY where I seem to need 100W.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/15/15 at 9:44 AM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. As both >my measurements and K6XX measurements clearly show, IMD in the >K3 drops significantly below full power. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Airline peanut bag: "Produced | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | in a facility that processes | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | peanuts and other nuts." - Duh | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri May 15 18:11:12 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:11:12 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I wonder what else has changed. I suspect there are a lot more than being talked about. One thought is there would now be a "To Do" list for the k3s. Pretty sure the k3s is another Ekecraft work in progress and there will be a lot more to come. Reckon it would be a good idea to wait for the hype to drop off and see what happens in the short term before selling off gear to fund an impulse buy. Just thinkin...... Got a bit to do.....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 16/05/2015 7:23 AM, "Bill W4ZV" wrote: > For someone who knows (e.g. Wayne, Eric, K6XX, etc): > > Are the only differences the following: > > 1. KRX3A includes KSYN3A > 2. KRX3A comes with low noise mod. > > Are there any *other* differences? If not, I should be able to add a > KSYN3A, do the low noise mod myself and use my KRX3 in the K3S, but I don't > want to assume without asking. > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRX3A-vs-KRX3-tp7602937.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From n6lrv at cox.net Fri May 15 18:13:44 2015 From: n6lrv at cox.net (Gary) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS In-Reply-To: References: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <00b201d08f5c$6855efd0$3901cf70$@cox.net> Phil, The new model is K3S not KXS. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:08 AM Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS If you look at the Elecraft shipping status page, you see that the K3 is listed as being delayed due to shortage of important part. Note the quoted section below (5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this period will then ship based on their order date when we resume shipping. Now, if you look at the posting date of May 5th, factor in the KXS announcement of May 14th, you might wonder if Elecraft purposely delayed shipping of K3s ordered just prior to the KXS announcement to give these buyers the option of switching to the KXS. 73, phil, K7PEH From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri May 15 18:25:26 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:25:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55567256.9090209@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Either that, or it's an EVOLUTIONARY product that builds on all of the work that's been done on the K3. The model number and the list of changes suggests that. If the radio was a brand-new, ground-up design, I'm sure it'd be a K4, not available immediately as is the K3S. Somewhere I noticed that the firmware would be compatible between the K3 and the K3S. That suggests smaller changes, not big changes. If the changes are small, there is little incentive to dump your K3 and rush to get a K3S. 73 -- Lynn On 5/15/2015 3:11 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > I wonder what else has changed. > > I suspect there are a lot more than being talked about. One thought is > there would now be a "To Do" list for the k3s. > > Pretty sure the k3s is another Ekecraft work in progress and there will be > a lot more to come. > > Reckon it would be a good idea to wait for the hype to drop off and see > what happens in the short term before selling off gear to fund an impulse > buy. > > Just thinkin...... > > Got a bit to do.....:-) > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 16/05/2015 7:23 AM, "Bill W4ZV" wrote: > From jim at jtmiller.com Fri May 15 18:39:23 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters Message-ID: I've got my K3S on order and was planning to transfer some of my filters from my K3 before selling it but after reviewing the filter specs along with my past experience I'm rethinking the narrow end. I've got a 13Khz filter which I'll transfer but I'm thinking of selling the 250 8p pair in favor of a 400hz 4p pair. Also thinking of getting rid of my singleton 200hz 4p and getting a matched pair of 200hz 4p. I find that the 250hz 8p (actually 350hz) are a bit narrow for RTTY so I often open the filter window to 400+ hz. I've been using the 200hz 4p primarily for ekeing out the last bit of signal on 160m and I'm planning to go diversity this next season. So I'd like to combine diversity with the 200hz bandwidth. Comments welcome. 73 jim ab3cv From jackbrindle at me.com Fri May 15 18:43:53 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:43:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question In-Reply-To: <1431725300599-7602938.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> <1431715730534-7602922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431725300599-7602938.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <85ACD638-C6F8-4721-99C8-ED688F710771@me.com> The Aux IO cable set for the KPA500 contains a small adapter that blocks the signal. Simply connect that adapter to the KPA500 AuxIO connector, then plug the AuxIO cable into it and the problem should be solved. If you don?t have one, then you might want to get one of these adapters and break off the pertinent pins (including pin 11). The pins are described in the KPA500 manual. - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On May 15, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > > HI again Emory, > > I want to add a clarification. I pulled up the old post from WB6RSE where he > explains the problem. Pin 11 on the K3 is the DIGOUT signal that you want to > get to the PR6. Pin 11 on the KPA500 is an amplifier inhibit input. You > don't want to snip the pin at the K3 or it won't get to the PR6. Since you > are using a Y adapter you want to snip pin 11 in the leg that goes to the > KPA500 or directly at the KPA500. Wherever you have a male pin. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > Mike K2MK wrote >> Hi Emory, >> >> You have to remove pin 11 from the 15 pin connector. You can do it on the >> K3 side or the KPA500 side. For an explanation search the archive for: >> >> pin 11 problem >> >> It's easy to do. Carefully identify it and grab it with a small needle >> nose pliers. Gently wiggle it back and forth and it will break off. >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK >> >> ejkkjh wrote >>> I can not get the PR6 to bypass? >>> I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried >>> connecting a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to >>> use the K3 receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the >>> jumper P2 in the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the >>> PR6 connected to one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, >>> other side of the Y goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 >>> set on for 6 meters only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin >>> power, ctrl connector from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant >>> works fine. Read through the manuals, did not see what I am missing? >>> Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 >>> Emory WM3M > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-PR6-bypass-question-tp7602917p7602938.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri May 15 18:54:52 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:54:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS In-Reply-To: <00b201d08f5c$6855efd0$3901cf70$@cox.net> References: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> <00b201d08f5c$6855efd0$3901cf70$@cox.net> Message-ID: <5556793C.30901@socal.rr.com> From another Phil: Too much K***** alphabet soup :-) If he had typed KX3S another rumor would have started! Phil W7OX On 5/15/15 3:13 PM, Gary wrote: > Phil, > The new model is K3S not KXS. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil > Hystad > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:08 AM > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS > > If you look at the Elecraft shipping status page, you see that the K3 is > listed as being delayed due to shortage of important part. Note the quoted > section below > > (5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. > There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts > arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this > period will then ship based on their order date when we > resume shipping. > > Now, if you look at the posting date of May 5th, factor in the KXS > announcement of > May 14th, you might wonder if Elecraft purposely delayed shipping of K3s > ordered > just prior to the KXS announcement to give these buyers the option of > switching to the > KXS. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Fri May 15 18:55:44 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150515175544.4fcb431c76c816a15986f749@mediacombb.net> That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson. A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate. I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much. $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped. On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600 Ken G Kopp wrote: > I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to > be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close. > > 73! > > Ken K0PP - K0PP > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 18:18:24 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Skipnc9o via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:18:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 For Sale Message-ID: <5A1434DB-75C9-4867-9F73-AD3D8B2A3CE1@yahoo.com> Doing shack cleaning and I have one KAT1 with firmware built but never used with all connectors to install. I don't own a K1. I'll ship USPS for $80. Please email me direct as I get reflector in digest formate. To skipnc9o at yahoo dot com. Skip Davis NC9O Sent from my iPhone From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 19:24:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 23:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <20150515175544.4fcb431c76c816a15986f749@mediacombb.net> References: <20150515175544.4fcb431c76c816a15986f749@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <975471547.12696.1431732296014.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did? So to compare K3 (+1600) ?+ PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880 It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S (Plus the K3S ?even has the new synthesizer board in it) Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal? ? Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one From: Kevin Stover To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson. A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate. I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much. $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped. On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600 Ken G Kopp wrote: > I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to > be in the same league with a K3/k3s.? It simply isn't even close. > > 73! > > Ken K0PP - K0PP > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From joe at k2uf.com Fri May 15 19:34:28 2015 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] My treasured K line Message-ID: For Sale. My entire K-line K3 P3 KPA500 KAT500. Asking $3.2 Million plus round trip air fare for two to deliver in person (it's that special). Sure you can purchase a new K3S from the manufacturer but will it have the character and experience of a rig that has had several tens of thousands of QSOs. Mostly short contest style QSOs on weekends. Operated by a little (well not so little) old man. ;o)) 734 Joe K2UF From buddy at brannan.name Fri May 15 19:38:12 2015 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <975471547.12696.1431732296014.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20150515175544.4fcb431c76c816a15986f749@mediacombb.net> <975471547.12696.1431732296014.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5878ADC3-935C-48E7-A64D-791015A98084@brannan.name> Moreover, it's still cheaper than, say, an Icom IC-7800 or Yaesu FT-9000. Maybe even a '5000? And those rigs can't be scaled down. Never mind the long support cycle they don't have that your K3 does have. Are those things not worth something to you? It's OK if they aren't everyone's different, but I can guarantee that they're worth something to many, which is why Elecraft still sells radios. Oh yeah...support...just ain't going to get it in the same league from other companies. But again, you may have different values, and that's OK. Me, if I could afford to buy a K3S vs. some other high end rig, I know what I'd be buying, no mistake. Of course, what I'll probably do someday is get the KXPA100 instead. Oh hey, guess what I use if I want 100 watts? An Elecraft K2. Which is still fully supported more than 10 years after I obtained it, and more than 15 years after it was first introduced. You gonna get that kind of support from Yaecomwoodlincotec? -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On May 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did? > > So to compare K3 (+1600) + PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880 > > It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S > (Plus the K3S even has the new synthesizer board in it) > > > Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal > > > > > Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one > > > > > From: Kevin Stover > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson. > > A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate. > > I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much. > > $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped. > > On Thu, 14 May 2015 10:33:38 -0600 > Ken G Kopp wrote: > > >> I'm astounded that one poster considers the TenTec Eagle to >> be in the same league with a K3/k3s. It simply isn't even close. >> >> 73! >> >> Ken K0PP - K0PP >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From kc6cnn at gmail.com Fri May 15 19:52:56 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Good thinking Gary.. On May 15, 2015 5:12 PM, "Gary Gregory" wrote: > I wonder what else has changed. > > I suspect there are a lot more than being talked about. One thought is > there would now be a "To Do" list for the k3s. > > Pretty sure the k3s is another Ekecraft work in progress and there will be > a lot more to come. > > Reckon it would be a good idea to wait for the hype to drop off and see > what happens in the short term before selling off gear to fund an impulse > buy. > > Just thinkin...... > > Got a bit to do.....:-) > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT > On 16/05/2015 7:23 AM, "Bill W4ZV" wrote: > > > For someone who knows (e.g. Wayne, Eric, K6XX, etc): > > > > Are the only differences the following: > > > > 1. KRX3A includes KSYN3A > > 2. KRX3A comes with low noise mod. > > > > Are there any *other* differences? If not, I should be able to add a > > KSYN3A, do the low noise mod myself and use my KRX3 in the K3S, but I > don't > > want to assume without asking. > > > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRX3A-vs-KRX3-tp7602937.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 19:54:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 23:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My treasured K line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1267668188.16393.1431734078886.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'll sell mine for 3.1 million And mine even has the super special 1.5 Khz SSTV filter in it :P From: Joe K2UF To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:34 PM Subject: [Elecraft] My treasured K line For Sale.? My entire K-line? K3? P3? KPA500? KAT500.? Asking $3.2 Million plus round trip air fare for two to deliver in person (it's that special). ? Sure you can purchase a new K3S from the manufacturer? but will it have the character and experience of a rig that has had several tens of thousands of QSOs.? Mostly short contest style QSOs on weekends. Operated by a little (well not so little) old man.? ;o))? 734? Joe K2UF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From kc6cnn at gmail.com Fri May 15 19:56:39 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:56:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS In-Reply-To: <5556793C.30901@socal.rr.com> References: <55562494.2040101@k5dkz.com> <12A25049-A63B-4A81-9190-20BF3637CE0F@Alphadene.co.uk> <00b201d08f5c$6855efd0$3901cf70$@cox.net> <5556793C.30901@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Now you did it Phil Wheeler! Lol On May 15, 2015 5:56 PM, "Phil Wheeler" wrote: > From another Phil: Too much K***** alphabet soup :-) > > If he had typed KX3S another rumor would have started! > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/15/15 3:13 PM, Gary wrote: > >> Phil, >> The new model is K3S not KXS. >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Phil >> Hystad >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:08 AM >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 versus KXS >> >> If you look at the Elecraft shipping status page, you see that the K3 is >> listed as being delayed due to shortage of important part. Note the >> quoted >> section below >> >> (5/5) We are now short of an important part for the K3. >> There will be approximately a 3 week delay until new parts >> arrive and shipments resume. Orders received during this >> period will then ship based on their order date when we >> resume shipping. >> >> Now, if you look at the posting date of May 5th, factor in the KXS >> announcement of >> May 14th, you might wonder if Elecraft purposely delayed shipping of K3s >> ordered >> just prior to the KXS announcement to give these buyers the option of >> switching to the >> KXS. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 20:02:27 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,5/15/2015 3:39 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I've got my K3S on order and was planning to transfer some of my filters > from my K3 before selling it but after reviewing the filter specs along > with my past experience I'm rethinking the narrow end. In his annual Dayton talk yesterday, Rob Sherwood said that he had seen some serious IM issues with some Elecraft roofing filters. I would hold off on buying any new filters for a while until I knew a lot more about that issue. 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri May 15 20:10:24 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: <975471547.12696.1431732296014.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20150515175544.4fcb431c76c816a15986f749@mediacombb.net> <975471547.12696.1431732296014.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <55568AF0.8020604@socal.rr.com> Your analysis makes sense, Harry. And a new knob and LCD surround, too: Priceless :-) It will be interesting to see performance comparisons, the K3S vs. the K3 (with new synth board installed). Phil W7OX On 5/15/15 4:24 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Have you factored in that it basically now comes with more included options than the K3 did? > > So to compare K3 (+1600) + PR6-10 ($160 option) + KXV3A ($120 option) = $1880 > > It's really only about a $220 Difference between the K3 and The K3S > (Plus the K3S even has the new synthesizer board in it) > > > Seems to me the K3S is actually a pretty sweet deal > > > > > Dang, I may have talked myself into getting one > > > > > From: Kevin Stover > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Eric's missing FDIM talk > > That isn't what he said. He said he was on the financiall fence about buying the K3 and the $500 price increase swayed him back toward another Eagle. Elecraft is about to learn a painful economic lesson. > > A 20% price increase is ridiculous for a new synth, a native USB port and 100KHz receive which amounted to changing three caps on the exisitng K3BPF. Oooops I forgot the new faceplate. > > I may still buy another as my curerent one is now gold. I won't be buying the P3 or much of anything else Elecraft afdterwards. $6K for a fully stuffed radio is too much. > > $2899 for a K3/100F means you can't order a CW filter of any flavor and stay under $3Kshipped. From ar at dseven.org Fri May 15 20:58:41 2015 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:58:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > For someone who knows (e.g. Wayne, Eric, K6XX, etc): > > Are the only differences the following: > > 1. KRX3A includes KSYN3A > 2. KRX3A comes with low noise mod. > > Are there any *other* differences? If not, I should be able to add a > KSYN3A, do the low noise mod myself and use my KRX3 in the K3S, but I don't > want to assume without asking. I was wondering about that too. What "low noise mod" are you referring to? 73, ~iain / N6ML From alan at elecraft.com Fri May 15 21:07:56 2015 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> On 05/15/2015 12:34 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: > 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they > display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. The P3 screen shows the modulation envelope, so flat-topping of a PSK31 signal, for example, should be obvious. RTTY is constant-envelope modulation so you shouldn't see any amplitude changes. > 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is 5'6" but > longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a > longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, > or...? I'd say go ahead and try it. I haven't tested longer cables but I can't think of any reason they wouldn't work. All the input pins on the RJ-45 have pi-type R-C filter networks. > 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available for > low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it > strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. > 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have power/SWR right > there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice as tall > as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die by the > waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display > height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a corner, > like: We're still tweaking the design so a shorter meter face is a possibility. You can also gain some display space by turning off the function key labels with the LABELS key or changing to a smaller type font with the "Font" menu selection. Alan N1AL From alan at elecraft.com Fri May 15 21:09:48 2015 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] *NEW* P3 Transmit Monitor Feature and use of W2 sensor In-Reply-To: <20150515202835.E5FE9149BB34@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150515202835.E5FE9149BB34@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <555698DC.1010205@elecraft.com> We haven't done beta testing yet, but it should be Real Soon Now. :=) Alan N1AL On 05/15/2015 01:28 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote: > Hi: > > Can someone ask the Elecraft crew at Dayton if these are currently > shipping. I have looked thru the FAQ and don' see anything about > availibliity and shipping. I have just ordered 1 > and just curious. Tnx and have a great time at Dayton...... > > > 73 De Mike > VE3YF > > http://www.ve3yf.com > ______________________________________________________________ > From lists at subich.com Fri May 15 21:14:16 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 21:14:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555699E8.8040806@subich.com> > In his annual Dayton talk yesterday, Rob Sherwood said that he had > seen some serious IM issues with some Elecraft roofing filters. I've been e-mailing with Rob - some of my spare filters have been among his test subjects. The issue is passive IMD in the filter itself ... in essence when the interfering signal levels get high enough, the filters start to behave as non-linear devices and seem to develop a short term "memory." This applies to both the 5 pole and 8 pole filters. Of note is that the signal levels necessary to generate this passive IMD is nearly 10dB higher than the former reciprocal mixing (phase noise) limited dynamic range values with the "old" synthesizer. It is much like pealing an onion ... once one limitation is removed another item in the signal chain becomes the weak link. It may be necessary to test filters to a higher standard. I understand some test systems are already under development. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-15 8:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,5/15/2015 3:39 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I've got my K3S on order and was planning to transfer some of my filters >> from my K3 before selling it but after reviewing the filter specs along >> with my past experience I'm rethinking the narrow end. > > In his annual Dayton talk yesterday, Rob Sherwood said that he had seen > some serious IM issues with some Elecraft roofing filters. I would hold > off on buying any new filters for a while until I knew a lot more about > that issue. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 15 21:40:10 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 01:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Will we be able to turn off the wattmeters? I have a KPA500 sitting right next to my P3 so the meter is redundant? From: Alan Bloom To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3TX questions On 05/15/2015 12:34 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: > 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they > display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. The P3 screen shows the modulation envelope, so flat-topping of a PSK31 signal, for example, should be obvious.? RTTY is constant-envelope modulation so you shouldn't see any amplitude changes. > 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is 5'6" but > longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a > longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, > or...? I'd say go ahead and try it.? I haven't tested longer cables but I can't think of any reason they wouldn't work.? All the input pins on the RJ-45 have pi-type R-C filter networks. > 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available for > low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it > strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. > 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have power/SWR right > there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice as tall > as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die by the > waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display > height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a corner, > like: We're still tweaking the design so a shorter meter face is a possibility.? You can also gain some display space by turning off the function key labels with the LABELS key or changing to a smaller type font with the "Font" menu selection. Alan N1AL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Fri May 15 21:46:21 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 18:46:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available for >> low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it >> strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? >> > > I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines > connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch > probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. > hi Alan - Thanks for the answers! To the above point, one might want to build a relay-based switch that follows band data, so fewer relays would be desirable... 73! jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri May 15 21:53:48 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 21:53:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:58 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > > For someone who knows (e.g. Wayne, Eric, K6XX, etc): > > > > Are the only differences the following: > > > > 1. KRX3A includes KSYN3A > > 2. KRX3A comes with low noise mod. > > > > Are there any *other* differences? If not, I should be able to add a > > KSYN3A, do the low noise mod myself and use my KRX3 in the K3S, but I > don't > > want to assume without asking. > > I was wondering about that too. What "low noise mod" are you referring to? This one: "Here's a summary of the changes required: RF board: Add one leaded capacitor KRX3 (if applicable): Add one leaded capacitor KBPF3: Remove two inductors; parallel three new capacitors" http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dramatic-improvement-in-K3-RX-sensitivity-below-500-kHz-looking-for-testers-td7602021.html 73, Bill W4ZV From btippett at alum.mit.edu Fri May 15 22:07:14 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:07:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431742034716-7602963.post@n2.nabble.com> Jim AB3CV wrote > I've been using the 200hz 4p primarily for ekeing out the last bit of > signal on 160m and I'm planning to go diversity this next season. So I'd > like to combine diversity with the 200hz bandwidth. I use matched 200 Hz filters in diversity (Beverages + RX4SQ) and APF nearly 100% of the time on 160...even when doing S&P in contests. I can get away with this because CW Skimmer allows me to exactly zero beat when jumping from one station to another in Blind Mode (i.e. as a bandscope without decoding). Although I also have dual Inrad 500 Hz filters, I find I seldom use them. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rethinking-filters-tp7602943p7602963.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 22:47:42 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:47:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <555699E8.8040806@subich.com> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555699E8.8040806@subich.com> Message-ID: <5556AFCE.10704@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,5/15/2015 6:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Of note is that the signal levels necessary to generate this passive > IMD is nearly 10dB higher than the former reciprocal mixing (phase > noise) limited dynamic range values with the "old" synthesizer. It is > much like pealing an onion ... once one limitation is removed another > item in the signal chain becomes the weak link. Exactly! Quite common in the field of engineering, especially EMC -- slaying some of the larger dragons exposes smaller ones nipping at our heels. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 22:51:06 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:51:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3A vs KRX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1431724923474-7602937.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5556B09A.8010900@audiosystemsgroup.com> Bill, This is aimed at noise at VLF. Another peeling of the synthesizer onion -- it allowed us to listen down to 100 kHz or so, but a simple mod was needed to minimize noise at those low frequencies. 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,5/15/2015 6:53 PM, Bill Tippett wrote: > This one: > > "Here's a summary of the changes required: > > RF board: Add one leaded capacitor > KRX3 (if applicable): Add one leaded capacitor > KBPF3: Remove two inductors; parallel three new > capacitors" > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dramatic-improvement-in-K3-RX-sensitivity-below-500-kHz-looking-for-testers-td7602021.html From woodr90 at gmail.com Fri May 15 23:27:52 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 22:27:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <002101d08f88$4b870b10$e2952130$@gmail.com> This IM issue was 1st reported in the Jan 2009 QST review on K3 Sidebar "A Close Look at K3 Roofing Filters" The 200hz filter was not included in write up & the issue seemed to be the 1800hz filter which if I recall - Elecraft said was issue with the supplier & it was resolved... Hope Rob will post his data here or his web pages! K4TV - thanks for input on use of the dual 200hz, nice on the subject of K3 & K3S Great rigs for sure except operator interface still lacking, no attempt to get dedicated band stacking buttons OK 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:02 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters On Fri,5/15/2015 3:39 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I've got my K3S on order and was planning to transfer some of my > filters from my K3 before selling it but after reviewing the filter > specs along with my past experience I'm rethinking the narrow end. In his annual Dayton talk yesterday, Rob Sherwood said that he had seen some serious IM issues with some Elecraft roofing filters. I would hold off on buying any new filters for a while until I knew a lot more about that issue. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri May 15 23:32:41 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 20:32:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <002101d08f88$4b870b10$e2952130$@gmail.com> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> <002101d08f88$4b870b10$e2952130$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5556BA59.5030606@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,5/15/2015 8:27 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > This IM issue was 1st reported in the Jan 2009 QST review on K3 > Sidebar "A Close Look at K3 Roofing Filters" Thanks., Robert. That's something I either missed or forgot. :) > The 200hz filter was not included in write up & the issue seemed to be the > 1800hz filter which if I recall - Elecraft said was issue with the supplier > & it was resolved... That would be Inrad for the 8-pole filters. They're a good company, so I'd bet it will be this time around too. Bob, Wayne, and Eric are all in Dayton, so there's a good chance they will huddle. > on the subject of K3 & K3S > Great rigs for sure except operator interface still lacking, no attempt to > get dedicated band stacking buttons I'm happy with the user interface. What are "dedicated band stacking buttons? 73, Jim K9YC From alan at elecraft.com Fri May 15 23:48:34 2015 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 20:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5556BE12.8090902@elecraft.com> Yes, both the meters and the modulation envelope display can be independently enabled/disabled. The P3 "analog" power meter shows both the average and peak power and there are digital readouts of peak power and SWR. Alan N1AL On 05/15/2015 06:40 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: > Will we be able to turn off the wattmeters? > > I have a KPA500 sitting right next to my P3 so the meter is redundant > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Alan Bloom > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 9:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] P3TX questions > > On 05/15/2015 12:34 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: > > 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they > > display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. > > The P3 screen shows the modulation envelope, so flat-topping of a PSK31 > signal, for example, should be obvious. RTTY is constant-envelope > modulation so you shouldn't see any amplitude changes. > > > 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is > 5'6" but > > longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a > > longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, > > or...? > > I'd say go ahead and try it. I haven't tested longer cables but I can't > think of any reason they wouldn't work. All the input pins on the RJ-45 > have pi-type R-C filter networks. > > > 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are > available for > > low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it > > strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? > > I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines > connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch > probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. > > > 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have > power/SWR right > > there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice > as tall > > as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die > by the > > waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display > > height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a > corner, > > like: > > We're still tweaking the design so a shorter meter face is a > possibility. You can also gain some display space by turning off the > function key labels with the LABELS key or changing to a smaller type > font with the "Font" menu selection. > > Alan N1AL > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat May 16 04:35:53 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 01:35:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431765353560-7602969.post@n2.nabble.com> Sound card specs - which sound card? As the K3-family produces the audio digitally and the USB is digital, there isn't really any need for any sound card anymore. jeff stai-2 wrote > 3. I have no doubt the sound card spec will be good, but I'm still curious > as to what the specs will be. ;) ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KIO3B-tp7602932p7602969.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From iw1ayd at gmail.com Sat May 16 05:41:56 2015 From: iw1ayd at gmail.com (iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:41:56 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> Hi all. Does anybody out there had made a comparison and contextualized paper in between the two? Not a short list of commercial point of views? A deep table, going down to the technical and non technical aspects of the circuitry and the related operations features. That is a deep table with discussion about almost all the changes. A loyal view of what's going on. Too early? So we are reading just FAQ and surface only considerations. It is in the make? There is already one for each product? (as to make an apple to apple comparison) Thank in advance for any pointer to useful, not commercial, documents. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo PS at least the 50 MHz section will be in favor of the K3S with no retrofitting I think. From willis.mj at gmail.com Sat May 16 06:09:19 2015 From: willis.mj at gmail.com (AD6XY) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 03:09:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> Too early I would say. To me it seems they have concentrated on improving the receiver phase noise, which is a very important figure, especially for SSB but the rest of the changes don't seem especially ground breaking. Maybe that's expected because there isn't so much wrong with the original K3. It means though that we won't all feel the need to upgrade our current K3 to S-class just yet. The man made noise levels at HF now mean that further receiver improvements are diminishing benefits- i.e. above a certain level, receiver performance is no longer the constraint and there is not a lot more a receiver could do, even if perfected. I would really like to see now is a K3v without all that unnecessary HF stuff in there. Something optimised VHF and up and only VHF and up. What surprised me was the serial number - 10000 and up. I thought they must have sold more than 10000 units already. Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-vs-K3-tp7602970p7602971.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From willis.mj at gmail.com Sat May 16 06:11:24 2015 From: willis.mj at gmail.com (AD6XY) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 03:11:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Prices falling? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431771084971-7602972.post@n2.nabble.com> I think that's just wishful thinking! Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Prices-falling-tp7602921p7602972.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Sat May 16 07:06:12 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 04:06:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> The most appreciated feature for many could be improvement of AF amplifiers. Some of the biggest criticism of K3 by those preferring other radios was "harsh" and "fatiguing" SSB receive audio. Ignacy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-vs-K3-tp7602970p7602973.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kt5d at charter.net Sat May 16 08:21:24 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations Message-ID: It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in fact, an old product upgraded to current modification state and given a different paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, interesting gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to fund the K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the number of K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 (or?) and hope it isn't seven years away. From kt5d at charter.net Sat May 16 08:44:28 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:44:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing FDIM talk Message-ID: If I were buying multi thousand dollar radio equipment today, I would buy Elecraft. Sadly, Ten Tec may well be gone before long (acquired by yet another company in less than a year). I bought some of their first products, the PowerMite QRP rigs way back when. In the eyes of some, after leading the QRP revolution they tried to compete with bigger companies and never really managed to sustain the innovative edge. Indeed, they started lagging behind while still charging a stiff price for their rigs (the Orion 1 should never have been brought to market with a monochrome screen when the competition was already doing color). I sat in the demo room at their factory and listened to a former product development manager try to persuade me to buy one, which I didn't, based on the fact that TT didn't see the need for the color monitor and could pass the price savings on to the customer. He vowed they wouldn't go color as it added nothing to the radio's capability. Well, he was soon gone and they did go color with the Orion 2. Elecraft needs to evaluate their market and decide if they can survive marketing K3SX,Y, or Z incremental improvements verses leading with innovative, exciting products. I suspect most of use K3 owners will sit tight with what we have. Which in a way is bad for Elecraft business. From k2mk at comcast.net Sat May 16 08:48:36 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 05:48:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1431780516562-7602976.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Alan, Are there plans to display the transmitted envelope on an SVGA monitor in the future. Would it require a different SVGA board? 73, Mike K2MK Alan Bloom-2 wrote > On 05/15/2015 12:34 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: >> 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they >> display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. > > The P3 screen shows the modulation envelope, so flat-topping of a PSK31 > signal, for example, should be obvious. RTTY is constant-envelope > modulation so you shouldn't see any amplitude changes. > >> 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is 5'6" >> but >> longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a >> longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, >> or...? > > I'd say go ahead and try it. I haven't tested longer cables but I can't > think of any reason they wouldn't work. All the input pins on the RJ-45 > have pi-type R-C filter networks. > >> 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available >> for >> low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it >> strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? > > I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines > connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch > probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. > >> 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have power/SWR >> right >> there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice as >> tall >> as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die by >> the >> waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display >> height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a >> corner, >> like: > > We're still tweaking the design so a shorter meter face is a > possibility. You can also gain some display space by turning off the > function key labels with the LABELS key or changing to a smaller type > font with the "Font" menu selection. > > Alan N1AL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3TX-questions-tp7602930p7602976.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From turnbull at net1.ie Sat May 16 08:50:54 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:50:54 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear OMs, I for one am pleased. Elecraft might have held back on upgrades for the K3 in order to make the difference greater! These radios are at the leading edge in ham radio. Evolution is not always that fast. Mean while many new KSYN cards are being sold and the K3 stays near the very top. I made a wise decision in choosing the K3 and in recommending it to close friends. 73 Doug EI2CN On Saturday, 16 May 2015, GDR wrote: > It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in fact, an > old product upgraded to current modification state and given a different > paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, interesting > gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to fund the > K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the number of > K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 (or?) > and hope it isn't seven years away. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie > From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sat May 16 09:11:11 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (WA8JXM) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:11:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555741EF.40404@gmail.com> Wow! So you want more marketing hype to separate you from you money than just continuous incremental improvements? You want Elecraft to go back to the 1950;'s of automobile marketing and come out with a flashy change that looks different every year rather than just improve the subassenblies one at a time as the technology improves? The K3 isn't "an old product" but rather a top notch product with only small areas for improvement over time. Isn't it great that the K3 is modular and the subassemblies can be upgraded without needing t o buy a whole new rig? I applaud Elecraft for sticking to a great product and slowly improving it. Some of the new upgrades seem worthwhile to my needs and I may take advantage of them. But I would never spend the money on a totally new rig that only had small, marginal improvements over what I have. Personally, I like Elecraft's way of doing things! Thanks guys! Ken WA8JXM On 16/05/2015 08:21, GDR wrote: > It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in fact, an old product upgraded to current modification state and given a different paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, interesting gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to fund the K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the number of K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 (or?) and hope it isn't seven years away. > From raysills3 at verizon.net Sat May 16 09:13:43 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B196F94-71AC-4E31-B988-E863B89CE51E@verizon.net> Hi Gang: I don't have a horse in this race, because neither a K3 nor a K3S is in my future. Nothing to do with price, just the case that I don't have space for a hamshack at my QTH. So, I operate portable... quite happily with my KX3 or KX1 or FT-817 or any of a bunch of QRP rigs. With the KX3, I have a "world class" rig that I can hold in my hand. Amazing! And, we seem to reaching an area where performance improvements will be hard to find, or possibly financially out of reach for both the company and it's customers. Evolution does go in fits and starts; it's rarely a smooth progression of improvements. Who knows where or when the next major development will take place. But as I see it, both the K3 and K3S offer a very high level of performance and capability. It certainly looks like a K3 will be able to be brought very close to the specs of the K3S. The fact that Elecraft rigs -can- be upgraded and/or options added is remarkable in itself. And, it may be a while before a "K4" is on the horizon. Such a rig may depend on a new device or chip which has yet to be designed or produced. In the meantime, the K3 offers performance and performance per dollar that is undreamed of back when I got my first ham license... (1956). 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On May 16, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs, > I for one am pleased. Elecraft might have held back on > upgrades for > the K3 in order to make the difference greater! These radios are > at the > leading edge in ham radio. Evolution is not always that fast. Mean > while many new KSYN cards are being sold and the K3 stays near the > very > top. I made a wise decision in choosing the K3 and in recommending > it to > close friends. > 73 Doug EI2CN > > On Saturday, 16 May 2015, GDR wrote: > >> It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in >> fact, an >> old product upgraded to current modification state and given a >> different >> paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, >> interesting >> gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to >> fund the >> K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the >> number of >> K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 >> (or?) >> and hope it isn't seven years away. >> From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat May 16 09:21:51 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-new synth question Message-ID: <5557446F.9050108@nycap.rr.com> Does the new synth reduce the background hiss? That would be the background hiss or white noise heard when there is no signal - such as on 75 meters during the day when the background level is zero (yes - my QTH is that quiet). Bill W2BLC - K-line From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat May 16 09:33:07 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:33:07 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> It has so far been assumed that the KIO3B somehow has an analogue to digital conversion function (sound card) feeding the USB interface. Looking at the K3 block diagram shows a mysterious KDV3 (Dig. Audio) within the DSB environment. KDV3 nomenclature would lead one to assume it was a module of some sort. I've so far not been able to determine from the alphabet soup on the DSP board schematics where a KDV3 might interface with the DSP. This might offer a clue as to how the digital audio presented on the USB interface is derived. Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality of the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that the LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. When the KIO3B module manual becomes available questions might be answered. Or maybe, someone in the know might offer enlightenment. Enquiring minds and all that. Regards, Mike VP8NO From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat May 16 09:50:21 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:50:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Mike, I just went by the K3S FAQ where it states: ?KIO3B? ?Eliminates need for PC sound card and cables?? Perhaps I just assumed there was an audio chip built onto the board. Right now, if you choose, you can take the audio in / out of the KIO3 and feed it to a sound card (I chose an external E-MU 0204 because of its specs), you still interface with a sound card *somewhere*. The way the FAQ is written, I thought the audio chip was built in on the new IO board. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On May 16, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > > It has so far been assumed that the KIO3B somehow has an analogue to digital conversion function (sound card) feeding the USB interface. > > > Mike VP8NO From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 09:51:01 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 06:51:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431784261.8450.9.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Looking at Q4 on the FAQ: 4. Will I be able to see the Transmit waveform on an SVGA monitor, too? A. No. The transmit signal results will be on the main P3 display screen. Can I assume the waterfall display will remain the same as it is today, on the SVGA monitor? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 09:52:56 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 06:52:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431784376.8450.10.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi, I bought mine a year ago, and it is in the 8000 range. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 03:09 -0700, AD6XY wrote: > Too early I would say. To me it seems they have concentrated on improving the > receiver phase noise, which is a very important figure, especially for SSB > but the rest of the changes don't seem especially ground breaking. Maybe > that's expected because there isn't so much wrong with the original K3. It > means though that we won't all feel the need to upgrade our current K3 to > S-class just yet. > > The man made noise levels at HF now mean that further receiver improvements > are diminishing benefits- i.e. above a certain level, receiver performance > is no longer the constraint and there is not a lot more a receiver could do, > even if perfected. > > I would really like to see now is a K3v without all that unnecessary HF > stuff in there. Something optimised VHF and up and only VHF and up. > > What surprised me was the serial number - 10000 and up. I thought they must > have sold more than 10000 units already. > > Mike > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-vs-K3-tp7602970p7602971.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 09:56:57 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 06:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <1B196F94-71AC-4E31-B988-E863B89CE51E@verizon.net> References: <1B196F94-71AC-4E31-B988-E863B89CE51E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1431784617.8450.11.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Ray, How much were Cat's whiskers back in the day? :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 09:13 -0400, Ray Sills wrote: > Hi Gang: > > I don't have a horse in this race, because neither a K3 nor a K3S is > in my future. Nothing to do with price, just the case that I don't > have space for a hamshack at my QTH. So, I operate portable... quite > happily with my KX3 or KX1 or FT-817 or any of a bunch of QRP rigs. > With the KX3, I have a "world class" rig that I can hold in my hand. > Amazing! > > And, we seem to reaching an area where performance improvements will > be hard to find, or possibly financially out of reach for both the > company and it's customers. Evolution does go in fits and starts; > it's rarely a smooth progression of improvements. Who knows where or > when the next major development will take place. > > But as I see it, both the K3 and K3S offer a very high level of > performance and capability. It certainly looks like a K3 will be able > to be brought very close to the specs of the K3S. The fact that > Elecraft rigs -can- be upgraded and/or options added is remarkable in > itself. And, it may be a while before a "K4" is on the horizon. Such > a rig may depend on a new device or chip which has yet to be designed > or produced. In the meantime, the K3 offers performance and > performance per dollar that is undreamed of back when I got my first > ham license... (1956). > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > On May 16, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > > > Dear OMs, > > I for one am pleased. Elecraft might have held back on > > upgrades for > > the K3 in order to make the difference greater! These radios are > > at the > > leading edge in ham radio. Evolution is not always that fast. Mean > > while many new KSYN cards are being sold and the K3 stays near the > > very > > top. I made a wise decision in choosing the K3 and in recommending > > it to > > close friends. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > > > On Saturday, 16 May 2015, GDR wrote: > > > >> It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in > >> fact, an > >> old product upgraded to current modification state and given a > >> different > >> paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, > >> interesting > >> gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to > >> fund the > >> K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the > >> number of > >> K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 > >> (or?) > >> and hope it isn't seven years away. > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 09:56:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Spires via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:56:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205B37C4-4F0B-487C-BECD-1AFA0EB67552@aol.com> We each have different perspectives and each has merit. I think the Elecraft business plan has been successful as a customer but have not seen their financial statements to evaluate their company health. I trust that their business plan will continue to keep up with available technological improvements but not adopt these in a manner that unnecessarily forces me to purchase new equipment to adopt all of the improvements. My "old" K equipment is still at the front of the market because of the Elecraft business plan and as a customer I will remember this when they do come out with an entirely new radio. 73 Jim W4MJE > On May 16, 2015, at 7:44 AM, GDR wrote: > > If I were buying multi thousand dollar radio equipment today, I would buy Elecraft. Sadly, Ten Tec may well be gone before long (acquired by yet another company in less than a year). I bought some of their first products, the PowerMite QRP rigs way back when. In the eyes of some, after leading the QRP revolution they tried to compete with bigger companies and never really managed to sustain the innovative edge. Indeed, they started lagging behind while still charging a stiff price for their rigs (the Orion 1 should never have been brought to market with a monochrome screen when the competition was already doing color). I sat in the demo room at their factory and listened to a former product development manager try to persuade me to buy one, which I didn't, based on the fact that TT didn't see the need for the color monitor and could pass the price savings on to the customer. He vowed they wouldn't go color as it added nothing to the radio's capability. Well, he was soon gone > and they did go color with the Orion 2. > > Elecraft needs to evaluate their market and decide if they can survive marketing K3SX,Y, or Z incremental improvements verses leading with innovative, exciting products. I suspect most of use K3 owners will sit tight with what we have. Which in a way is bad for Elecraft business. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jspires12 at aol.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Sat May 16 09:59:41 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 06:59:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <1431784617.8450.11.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1B196F94-71AC-4E31-B988-E863B89CE51E@verizon.net> <1431784617.8450.11.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <55574D4D.8050902@earthlink.net> The problem was getting the cat to hold still !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 5/16/2015 6:56 AM, David Cole wrote: > Ray, > > How much were Cat's whiskers back in the day? :) > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat May 16 10:04:28 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:04:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <55574E6C.3080500@socal.rr.com> Seems too early, Salvo, given it was announced two days ago on Thurs. However, it may be that Rob Sherwood has, or soon will have, a K3S and will be able to add it to his table here http://www.sherweng.com/table.html If and when that happens, I'm sure we'll read about it here :-) Likely once the Elecraft crew has returned from Dayton we'll learn more. I suspect the major performance improvement is from the new synthesizer, which many of us have already retrofitted into our K3s (lower case S!): See line 2 vs. line 6 on Rob's table. 73, Phil W7OX On 5/16/15 2:41 AM, iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato wrote: > Hi all. > Does anybody out there had made a comparison and > contextualized paper in between the two? > Not a short list of commercial point of views? > > A deep table, going down to the technical and > non technical aspects of the circuitry and the > related operations features. > That is a deep table with discussion about > almost all the changes. A loyal view of what's > going on. > > Too early? So we are reading just FAQ and > surface only considerations. > > It is in the make? > There is already one for each product? (as to > make an apple to apple comparison) > > Thank in advance for any pointer to useful, > not commercial, documents. > > 73 de iw1ayd Salvo > > PS at least the 50 MHz section will be in favor > of the K3S with no retrofitting I think. From kt5d at charter.net Sat May 16 10:04:52 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:04:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations Message-ID: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this view. For what I do with the K3, I wouldn't give a second thought to replacing it with the K3S. It is going to be interesting to see how many K3S units sell compared to the K3, if this is ever made public. From lists at subich.com Sat May 16 10:06:20 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:06:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <55574EDC.7090604@subich.com> On 2015-05-16 9:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > It has so far been assumed that the KIO3B somehow has an analogue to > digital conversion function (sound card) feeding the USB interface. Looking at the current K3 schematic, there is no *digital* connection between the DSP board and the KIO3. Since the KIO3B is a *replacement* for the current KIO3, I expect the USB sound function is nothing more than an off the shelf USB Audio CODEC chip (e.g. TI PCM-2902) fed from "Line Out" as is the case in the other rigs with USB Audio. > Looking at the K3 block diagram shows a mysterious KDV3 (Dig. Audio) > within the DSB environment. KDV3 nomenclature would lead one to > assume it was a module of some sort. I doubt that the DSP engine has the horsepower to provide a separate isochronous USB audio stream (and identify as a USB CODEC) even if there were a USB connection from the DSP board (via the RF board) to a USB hub on the KIO3B. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 9:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > It has so far been assumed that the KIO3B somehow has an analogue to > digital conversion function (sound card) feeding the USB interface. > > Looking at the K3 block diagram shows a mysterious KDV3 (Dig. Audio) > within the DSB environment. KDV3 nomenclature would lead one to assume > it was a module of some sort. I've so far not been able to determine > from the alphabet soup on the DSP board schematics where a KDV3 might > interface with the DSP. This might offer a clue as to how the digital > audio presented on the USB interface is derived. > > Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality of > the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that the > LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. > > When the KIO3B module manual becomes available questions might be > answered. Or maybe, someone in the know might offer enlightenment. > Enquiring minds and all that. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat May 16 10:21:18 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 00:21:18 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <55574D4D.8050902@earthlink.net> References: <1B196F94-71AC-4E31-B988-E863B89CE51E@verizon.net> <1431784617.8450.11.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <55574D4D.8050902@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Oh dear, maybe i have this all wrong, but, here goes anyway. Just what has made my K3 less of a transceiver today vs yesterday? Well "nothing" is the answer. So what exactly would i notice if i replaced it with a K3S ? I suspect very little. The changes made are a mix of cosmetics and technology. So, what can i do to "make" my current K3 better? Answer. Add the new modules that i can and stick a photo of a K3S on the wall above my operating desk. Will i notice a huge difference in what i hear, will i work stations i can't now, will i enjoy my hobby more? Well maybe, maybe not , but, my bank balance will be a whole lot healthier by NOT ordering a K3S. So, i reckon i might hang on to my K3 for now. Oh well thats what i think, which doesn't count for much to anyone but me, but then it is my opinion that counts for me. 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 17/05/2015 12:01 AM, "Richard Solomon" wrote: > The problem was getting the cat to hold still !! > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On 5/16/2015 6:56 AM, David Cole wrote: > >> Ray, >> >> How much were Cat's whiskers back in the day? :) >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 10:23:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 14:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability In-Reply-To: <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> References: <5554FA56.8060408@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <803460165.145129.1431786201126.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> You will need the general coverage board (KBPF3) and the parts kit. But I believe the new General coverage boards (KBPF3A) have the necessary parts on them. So it will be a matter of the New General coverage board (KBPF3) and Cap to be added to the Main board and the sub receiver). I had not had the time to source the parts, then Elecraft said they will have a parts kit in the near future so I figure I'll just wait and get it from them. From: Ross Primrose To: Edward R Cole ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs K3 - upgradability On 5/14/2015 3:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > 8. Extended RX with modified KBPF3A - I understood a kit was available > for to DIY - I will get a kit I got the impression that new KBPF3As will have the necessary parts of the mod, but as I recall when the mods were described a few weeks back that there were changes that would also need to be made to the RF board & KRX3.? Hopefully in the next few days there will be some clarification on exactly what a K3 (no S) owner with no KBPF3s and the old synth(s) needs to actually buy/mod to get on the bands below 500kHz... 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 16 10:26:07 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I still use an IBM 286 computer with 640K RAM and DOS as I keep hearing they are coming up with faster better computers every few months. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GDR Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:21 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations It seems a disappointment that the newest Elecraft product is in fact, an old product upgraded to current modification state and given a different paint job and a new knob. I was hoping to see a totally new, interesting gizmo that would inspire me to rob the piggy bank or sell my K3 to fund the K4 (imaginary) replacement. I have noticed an increase in the number of K3's offered for sale the last couple of days. I'll wait for the K4 (or?) and hope it isn't seven years away. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 16 10:32:10 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: . What we need here and now is some predictable, irrational behavior. called impulse buying. This sells product.................... A LOT of product. Your WILDEST dream is but a credit card away. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GDR Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:44 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Missing FDIM talk If I were buying multi thousand dollar radio equipment today, I would buy Elecraft. Sadly, Ten Tec may well be gone before long (acquired by yet another company in less than a year). I bought some of their first products, the PowerMite QRP rigs way back when. In the eyes of some, after leading the QRP revolution they tried to compete with bigger companies and never really managed to sustain the innovative edge. Indeed, they started lagging behind while still charging a stiff price for their rigs (the Orion 1 should never have been brought to market with a monochrome screen when the competition was already doing color). I sat in the demo room at their factory and listened to a former product development manager try to persuade me to buy one, which I didn't, based on the fact that TT didn't see the need for the color monitor and could pass the price savings on to the customer. He vowed they wouldn't go color as it added nothing to the radio's capability. Well, he was soon gone and they did go color with the Orion 2. Elecraft needs to evaluate their market and decide if they can survive marketing K3SX,Y, or Z incremental improvements verses leading with innovative, exciting products. I suspect most of use K3 owners will sit tight with what we have. Which in a way is bad for Elecraft business. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 10:32:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: 4 Band K1 W/Tuner & Backlight Message-ID: <55575517.90704@aol.com> Selling my 4 Band K1 with tuner back-light mod. Covers 40, 30, 20, 17. Clean case, Works perfectly. Also has heavy-weight tuning knob. $490 shipped CONUS. tnx de Doug -- K0DXV From wes at triconet.org Sat May 16 10:37:15 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:37:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> Message-ID: <5557561B.3020905@triconet.org> I was hoping for a "K4", which I imagine is on the drawing board someplace. But, I had also been considering a new bare-bones K3/10 to replace my S/N 2059 K3/100, which, except for the I-F output mod was as-built. I planned to transfer over the options and have the latest stuff. The K3S/100 came along and now I have one on order. As it turns out, I will not transfer the PA, since the technology there has changed and the the general coverage module has as well so that stays behind. So for me, it worked out well. As to the relative sales numbers, consider that *all* new buyers are going to get a K3S, so that comparison will be meaningless, but hardly a secret. Wes N7WS On 5/16/2015 7:04 AM, GDR wrote: > Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this view. > > For what I do with the K3, I wouldn't give a second thought to replacing it with the K3S. It is going to be interesting to see how many K3S units sell compared to the K3, if this is ever made public. > From nf4l at comcast.net Sat May 16 10:41:42 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:41:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> Message-ID: <8AD48EEF-CA57-4006-AA1B-E8532072379B@comcast.net> I'm settling into a similar view. We know the K3S serial number starts at 1000. People tend to post their number. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 16, 2015, at 10:04 AM, GDR wrote: > > > Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this view. > > For what I do with the K3, I wouldn't give a second thought to replacing it with the K3S. It is going to be interesting to see how many K3S units sell compared to the K3, if this is ever made public. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From w0eb at cox.net Sat May 16 10:42:42 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 14:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't usually chime in on these threads, but since everyone seems to be speculating on Elecraft's marketing strategy regarding the K3S, my take on the matter is they screwed up. From all the whinging and cribbing and whining about the fictional "K4" , Wayne and Eric should have just rounded the corners on the front and rear panels, ala the other manufacturers and called the K3S the K4. All the people complaining they'd rather have had a "new" rig called the K4 would be satisfied and the reflector could go back to normal without all the considerable garbage being generated by the grammar cops, the K3S(s), K4 cops and the rest of the stuff that just clutters up the reflector with mostly useless garbage. W0EB From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 10:48:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:48:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 Message-ID: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> Personally, I think the K3S is a nice set of new features for new buyers. It's just a refresh, adding a few more modern features to one of the best transceivers on the market. However, the only thing that will get more than a casual glance from me is a full-size rig with the P3 features built-in, putting out 200 watts. PSK, RTTY and CW decode on the screen, plugin keyboard, touch screen, and so on. THAT is the state of the art. Several years ago I sold my K-line and bought one of the top end rigs. It was very, very nice. However, after a year, I sold it and bought another K-line. I learned my lesson. But, that doesn't stop me from longing for a lot of those top-end rig features. Right now, Elecraft dominates a certain segment of the market. It could dominate the ENTIRE market if it choose to develop a full-size, fully integrated, desktop, main station transceiver. So, bottom line for me is K3S? Hmm. Nice. Wake me up when the Big Kahuna arrives. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From wes at triconet.org Sat May 16 10:49:08 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555758E4.5020008@triconet.org> Old subject. http://martein.home.xs4all.nl/pa3ake/hmode/IF_filters.html There is some fantastic info in these papers. Wes N7WS On 5/15/2015 5:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,5/15/2015 3:39 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I've got my K3S on order and was planning to transfer some of my filters >> from my K3 before selling it but after reviewing the filter specs along >> with my past experience I'm rethinking the narrow end. > > In his annual Dayton talk yesterday, Rob Sherwood said that he had seen some > serious IM issues with some Elecraft roofing filters. I would hold off on > buying any new filters for a while until I knew a lot more about that issue. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 16 10:52:26 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:52:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: . A FAR to logical approach for the irrational Elecraft Kool Aid drinkers (I was one, but going back to Jack on the rocks, with my K3) on this reflector. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 7:43 AM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations I don't usually chime in on these threads, but since everyone seems to be speculating on Elecraft's marketing strategy regarding the K3S, my take on the matter is they screwed up. From all the whinging and cribbing and whining about the fictional "K4" , Wayne and Eric should have just rounded the corners on the front and rear panels, ala the other manufacturers and called the K3S the K4. All the people complaining they'd rather have had a "new" rig called the K4 would be satisfied and the reflector could go back to normal without all the considerable garbage being generated by the grammar cops, the K3S(s), K4 cops and the rest of the stuff that just clutters up the reflector with mostly useless garbage. W0EB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 09:35:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Skipnc9o via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:35:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 For Sale, Sold Message-ID: <433FFEE6-CE9E-4406-84C2-A483CA1970C8@yahoo.com> Thanks all the KAT1 has been Sold. Skip Davis NC9O Sent from my iPhone From wes at triconet.org Sat May 16 10:55:06 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:55:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rethinking filters In-Reply-To: <555758E4.5020008@triconet.org> References: <55568913.7040404@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555758E4.5020008@triconet.org> Message-ID: <55575A4A.8050509@triconet.org> Further to this, for those who believe that down-conversion is a must for good RX performance here is some food for thought. http://martein.home.xs4all.nl/pa3ake/hmode/g3sbi_intro.html On 5/16/2015 7:49 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Old subject. > > http://martein.home.xs4all.nl/pa3ake/hmode/IF_filters.html > > There is some fantastic info in these papers. > > Wes N7WS > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat May 16 11:03:49 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:03:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <1431784376.8450.10.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431784376.8450.10.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <2D56FEED-16D6-4382-889C-5671E37CEEFF@wunderwood.org> I think the K3 serial numbers recently crossed 9000. KX3 numbers are over 9000. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 16, 2015, at 6:52 AM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > I bought mine a year ago, and it is in the 8000 range. > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 03:09 -0700, AD6XY wrote: >> Too early I would say. To me it seems they have concentrated on improving the >> receiver phase noise, which is a very important figure, especially for SSB >> but the rest of the changes don't seem especially ground breaking. Maybe >> that's expected because there isn't so much wrong with the original K3. It >> means though that we won't all feel the need to upgrade our current K3 to >> S-class just yet. >> >> The man made noise levels at HF now mean that further receiver improvements >> are diminishing benefits- i.e. above a certain level, receiver performance >> is no longer the constraint and there is not a lot more a receiver could do, >> even if perfected. >> >> I would really like to see now is a K3v without all that unnecessary HF >> stuff in there. Something optimised VHF and up and only VHF and up. >> >> What surprised me was the serial number - 10000 and up. I thought they must >> have sold more than 10000 units already. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-vs-K3-tp7602970p7602971.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat May 16 11:11:05 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:11:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker Message-ID: <25523BCC-ADDE-4565-B201-6CE21BD509D7@wunderwood.org> The K3S looks like a well-executed ?mid-life kicker? for the K3. The new synthesizer was a major performance upgrade (Elecraft was surprised by the sales for that). It is a nice package when you add new frequency coverage, integrating popular options, component upgrades (new PA transistors, I think), a facelift, and the USB. For me, the only mistake on the KX3 was not using USB. A mid-life boost for a product is a very smart move. For moderate engineering and marketing cost, it maintains competitiveness and boosts sales. This is a sign that Elecraft is maturing as a company. Since 2012, they?ve released a new radio (KX3), major accessories for it (KXPA100, PX3), and now the K3S. That is a solid product plan, not just two guys in a garage making radios. I first heard the term ?mid-life kicker? used when describing the PDP-11/40, about adding the writable control store. See pages 25 and 26 in Gordon Bell?s paper. http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/CGB%20Files/What%20Have%20We%20Learned%20From%20the%20PDP-11%201977%20c.pdf wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat May 16 11:35:15 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:35:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <8AD48EEF-CA57-4006-AA1B-E8532072379B@comcast.net> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> <8AD48EEF-CA57-4006-AA1B-E8532072379B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555763B3.6030106@socal.rr.com> S/Ns start at 10,000 -- makes sense since the K3 didn't quite make it that far. Phil W7OX On 5/16/15 7:41 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I'm settling into a similar view. We know the K3S serial number starts at 1000. People tend to post their number. > > 73, Mike NF4L From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Sat May 16 11:39:24 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:39:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] JT65-HF KX3 Freq Drift Measurements In-Reply-To: <90B8F436-447C-4320-98FC-BB966F48C2F4@yahoo.co.uk> References: <55537734.6050405@hawkins-zhu.com> <5553F09E.9070602@hawkins-zhu.com> <55551C4B.5090800@hawkins-zhu.com> <90B8F436-447C-4320-98FC-BB966F48C2F4@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <555764AC.6090503@hawkins-zhu.com> Hi David, Thanks for the reference - I'd not seen this article. While I've fitted a heat sink, it is a commercially available 3rd party option and I've not implemented the additional heat transfer techniques Lance references with his home made version. This weekend I hope to do the extended temp compensation routine so I'll have a better ideal on how much better freq stability gets. I'm sure I'll be posting results. 73's Gary K6YOA. On 5/14/2015 3:29 PM, David Anderson wrote: > Please see the work done by Lance W7GJ on this at > > http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3HeatSinks.htm > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 14 May 2015, at 23:06, Gary Hawkins wrote: >> >> >> For those that have done similar tests on an uncompensated KX3, do these results seem reasonable? If they are reasonable is it safe to say that successful 6m JT65/JT9 operation even after extended temperature compensation is unlikely? >> >> 73's Gary K6YOA >> From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 11:41:40 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker In-Reply-To: <25523BCC-ADDE-4565-B201-6CE21BD509D7@wunderwood.org> References: <25523BCC-ADDE-4565-B201-6CE21BD509D7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <1431790900.8450.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z> You know... Elecraft could have skipped offering the synth's for the K3... Then sold the K3S, and increased their sales of that rig, they CHOSE not too... They CHOSE to do the right thing, and offer the SYNTH's even BEFORE they mentioned the K3S. While I am less than pleased, but not really too unhappy, (only had my K3 a year), that I no longer own the newest rig, coolest, rig in town, I am REALLY thankful that Elecraft designed the synth's to fit the K3, when they did not have too! I will purchase Elecraft again because of that decision on their parts... THANK YOU WAYNE and group for doing the right thing! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 08:11 -0700, Walter Underwood wrote: > The K3S looks like a well-executed ?mid-life kicker? for the K3. The new synthesizer was a major performance upgrade (Elecraft was surprised by the sales for that). It is a nice package when you add new frequency coverage, integrating popular options, component upgrades (new PA transistors, I think), a facelift, and the USB. > > For me, the only mistake on the KX3 was not using USB. > > A mid-life boost for a product is a very smart move. For moderate engineering and marketing cost, it maintains competitiveness and boosts sales. This is a sign that Elecraft is maturing as a company. Since 2012, they?ve released a new radio (KX3), major accessories for it (KXPA100, PX3), and now the K3S. That is a solid product plan, not just two guys in a garage making radios. > > I first heard the term ?mid-life kicker? used when describing the PDP-11/40, about adding the writable control store. See pages 25 and 26 in Gordon Bell?s paper. > > http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/CGB%20Files/What%20Have%20We%20Learned%20From%20the%20PDP-11%201977%20c.pdf > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 11:43:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:43:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555765B3.1080507@aol.com> Can you define "Normal"? List members are not cribbing, whining or complaining - they are expressing their legitimate reactions to a new product announcement (comments Wayne and Eric probably WANT to hear). The K3S vs: K3s discussion was purely tongue in cheek. No one was serious about it. Here, we're all hams - a hobby based on chatting about anything and everything. This list reflects that personality type. The update from the K3 to the K3S makes perfect sense. I doubt it will improve sales figures by any noticeable amount. Clearly, the update was meant to keep the K3 looking fresh, add a couple of needed new features, and to generate a little more market attention. The discussion regarding a possible K4 is a completely legitimate one. We (the list members) represent the most loyal and vocal segment of the Elecraft customer base. What we say we want matters a lot. "We" have had and will continue to have great influence on Elecraft product planning. Just as it should be. It's one of the great aspects of Elecraft as a company - they really listen. I have no doubt that the K4 is either being actively considered or even in development. The K3S isn't going to sustain the company. It will extend the product life a little, perhaps. Five years from now? There will need to be and undoubtedly will be several new flagship products. Eagerness on our part is only natural. Speculation, ponderments, what-ifs, throwing ideas around, even creating graphic renderings of a potential product, all part of why we're here. I enjoy the subtle humour of some of the threads. A chuckle here and there is good for the soul. Doug -- K0DXV On 05/16/2015 08:42 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > I don't usually chime in on these threads, but since everyone seems > to be speculating on Elecraft's marketing strategy regarding the K3S, > my take on the matter is they screwed up. From all the whinging and > cribbing and whining about the fictional "K4" , Wayne and Eric should > have just rounded the corners on the front and rear panels, ala the > other manufacturers and called the K3S the K4. All the people > complaining they'd rather have had a "new" rig called the K4 would be > satisfied and the reflector could go back to normal without all the > considerable garbage being generated by the grammar cops, the K3S(s), > K4 cops and the rest of the stuff that just clutters up the reflector > with mostly useless garbage. > > W0EB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Sat May 16 11:44:56 2015 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:44:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker In-Reply-To: <1431790900.8450.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <25523BCC-ADDE-4565-B201-6CE21BD509D7@wunderwood.org> <1431790900.8450.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: Well said, David! Thanks, Elecraft! 73, Tony K4QE K3 #6478 On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:41 AM, David Cole wrote: > You know... > > Elecraft could have skipped offering the synth's for the K3... Then > sold the K3S, and increased their sales of that rig, they CHOSE not > too... They CHOSE to do the right thing, and offer the SYNTH's even > BEFORE they mentioned the K3S. > > While I am less than pleased, but not really too unhappy, (only had my > K3 a year), that I no longer own the newest rig, coolest, rig in town, > I am REALLY thankful that Elecraft designed the synth's to fit the K3, > when they did not have too! > > I will purchase Elecraft again because of that decision on their > parts... > > THANK YOU WAYNE and group for doing the right thing! > > > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 08:11 -0700, Walter Underwood wrote: > > The K3S looks like a well-executed ?mid-life kicker? for the K3. The new > synthesizer was a major performance upgrade (Elecraft was surprised by the > sales for that). It is a nice package when you add new frequency coverage, > integrating popular options, component upgrades (new PA transistors, I > think), a facelift, and the USB. > > > > For me, the only mistake on the KX3 was not using USB. > > > > A mid-life boost for a product is a very smart move. For moderate > engineering and marketing cost, it maintains competitiveness and boosts > sales. This is a sign that Elecraft is maturing as a company. Since 2012, > they?ve released a new radio (KX3), major accessories for it (KXPA100, > PX3), and now the K3S. That is a solid product plan, not just two guys in a > garage making radios. > > > > I first heard the term ?mid-life kicker? used when describing the > PDP-11/40, about adding the writable control store. See pages 25 and 26 in > Gordon Bell?s paper. > > > > > http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/CGB%20Files/What%20Have%20We%20Learned%20From%20the%20PDP-11%201977%20c.pdf > > > > wunder > > K6WRU > > CM87wj > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Sat May 16 11:47:21 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations Message-ID: Depended on the cat but most whiskers were still pretty pricey (especially after adjusting for inflation). Jeff, NH7RO From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 16 11:53:50 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 08:53:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/16/2015 6:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality of > the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that the > LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. This is pretty ancient history, and is the result of a digital guy trying to design an audio output stage. The error was in 1) using an unshielded telecom transformer and 2) adding 600 ohms in series between the output device and that transformer. In the world of audio, that's well known to cause distortion. 3) 600 ohm inputs and outputs have not been used in pro audio for more than 40 years, another goof. I noticed the problem as soon as I got my first K3, measured it, and showed it around. I don't know if that was before or after Rob found it. If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed a LONG time ago, which, when placed as they were, caused the distortion. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 16 12:16:55 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:16:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> Message-ID: <55576D77.1040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> You are completely missing Elecraft's philosophy, which is to maintain support for existing products, upgrade them as much as is economically feasible, and continue to stay at the front of the pack with respect to performance and usability. The K3 came on the market in 2008, using parts that were available then. It was a huge step beyond the K2, designed before the turn of the century! Three years ago, the KX3 hit the street with a different design goal, and with advanced parts that did not exist in 2008. This is 2015, yet more advanced parts are available, and Elecraft has continued to pay attention to customer complaints and requests. Those of us who own K3s can get much (most?) of the performance upgrade for $210 by adding the new synth board, which significantly improves performance with strong signals and contesting, and gives the RX first rate performance at MF and LF. The way in which the K3 was designed does not allow upgrading the audio amp that drives the speaker without replacing the RF board. Two other weak spots, audio I/O and low noise performance on 6M and 10M, has been addressed with a new I/O board and a new preamp, and will be available as an upgrade to the K3. I think I heard prices of about $200 for each. As the owner of three K3s, I am quite pleased with Elecraft support for what are now legacy radios (that is, they no longer sell them). If the radio in question were from YaeIcoWood or Flex, we would instead be buying a brand new radio and still be behind Elecraft in quality and performance. I've already bought the K3SYNA boards, will mod the K3BPF in the one radio that has it, and will probably upgrade to the K3IOB for the convenience. The K3SYNA boards probably get me 90% of the performance improvement of the K3S, at about 5% of the cost of replacing the radio. That makes me a VERY happy camper. My radios are not investments, the are not on my desk to impress people, they are tools and toys I can USE. 73, Jim K9YC On Sat,5/16/2015 7:04 AM, GDR wrote: > Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this view. > > For what I do with the K3, I wouldn't give a second thought to replacing it with the K3S. It is going to be interesting to see how many K3S units sell compared to the K3, if this is ever made public. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 12:17:49 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:17:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? The K3 audio is good, but after spending a year on another top-end rig, I can really hear a difference. Probably the only issue I have with the K3. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 05/16/2015 09:53 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,5/16/2015 6:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: >> Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality >> of the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that >> the LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. > > This is pretty ancient history, and is the result of a digital guy > trying to design an audio output stage. The error was in 1) using an > unshielded telecom transformer and 2) adding 600 ohms in series > between the output device and that transformer. In the world of audio, > that's well known to cause distortion. 3) 600 ohm inputs and outputs > have not been used in pro audio for more than 40 years, another goof. > > I noticed the problem as soon as I got my first K3, measured it, and > showed it around. I don't know if that was before or after Rob found it. > > If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed a LONG time ago, > which, when placed as they were, caused the distortion. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From lists at subich.com Sat May 16 12:33:41 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:33:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55577165.8030308@subich.com> > If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed a LONG time ago, > which, when placed as they were, caused the distortion. The resistors were changed to 51 Ohms very early on ... prior to s/n 2000, IIRC. The transformers were changed somewhat later to a better behaved Bourns LM-NP-1001B (same transformer used in the microHAM interfaces). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 11:53 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,5/16/2015 6:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: >> Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality of >> the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that the >> LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. > > This is pretty ancient history, and is the result of a digital guy > trying to design an audio output stage. The error was in 1) using an > unshielded telecom transformer and 2) adding 600 ohms in series between > the output device and that transformer. In the world of audio, that's > well known to cause distortion. 3) 600 ohm inputs and outputs have not > been used in pro audio for more than 40 years, another goof. > > I noticed the problem as soon as I got my first K3, measured it, and > showed it around. I don't know if that was before or after Rob found it. > > If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed a LONG time ago, which, > when placed as they were, caused the distortion. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat May 16 12:36:10 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 09:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> Message-ID: <555771FA.4050105@socal.rr.com> From the FAQ it appears that you will be able "later this year" to replace the K3's Main DSP Board with one for the K3S to achieve better audio: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf Phil W7OX On 5/16/15 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can > get or do you think that there are some possible > mods that might smooth it out a little? The K3 > audio is good, but after spending a year on > another top-end rig, I can really hear a > difference. Probably the only issue I have with > the K3. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 05/16/2015 09:53 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Sat,5/16/2015 6:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: >>> Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably >>> on the audio quality of the LINE OUT signal. >>> This has lead to the general acceptance that >>> the LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. >> >> This is pretty ancient history, and is the >> result of a digital guy trying to design an >> audio output stage. The error was in 1) using >> an unshielded telecom transformer and 2) adding >> 600 ohms in series between the output device >> and that transformer. In the world of audio, >> that's well known to cause distortion. 3) 600 >> ohm inputs and outputs have not been used in >> pro audio for more than 40 years, another goof. >> >> I noticed the problem as soon as I got my first >> K3, measured it, and showed it around. I don't >> know if that was before or after Rob found it. >> >> If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed >> a LONG time ago, which, when placed as they >> were, caused the distortion. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC From lists at subich.com Sat May 16 12:39:23 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <5557561B.3020905@triconet.org> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> <5557561B.3020905@triconet.org> Message-ID: <555772BB.4080708@subich.com> Wes, > As it turns out, I will not transfer the PA, since the technology > there has changed and the the general coverage module has as well so > that stays behind. I seem to have missed that change in the data sheet FAQ. Do you have any specifics - particularly the transistor/FET(s) being used? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 10:37 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I was hoping for a "K4", which I imagine is on the drawing board > someplace. But, I had also been considering a new bare-bones K3/10 to > replace my S/N 2059 K3/100, which, except for the I-F output mod was > as-built. I planned to transfer over the options and have the latest > stuff. The K3S/100 came along and now I have one on order. As it turns > out, I will not transfer the PA, since the technology there has changed > and the the general coverage module has as well so that stays behind. > > So for me, it worked out well. As to the relative sales numbers, > consider that *all* new buyers are going to get a K3S, so that > comparison will be meaningless, but hardly a secret. > > Wes N7WS > > On 5/16/2015 7:04 AM, GDR wrote: >> Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and >> repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't >> impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share >> this view. >> >> For what I do with the K3, I wouldn't give a second thought to >> replacing it with the K3S. It is going to be interesting to see how >> many K3S units sell compared to the K3, if this is ever made public. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ha4zd at t-online.hu Sat May 16 13:21:54 2015 From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?windows-1252?Q?Istv=E1n_Szab=F3?=) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:21:54 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> References: <93C4B5AE-5913-42A8-B7B6-D05D381FDC8C@charter.net> Message-ID: <55577CB2.8010301@t-online.hu> Elecraft K3S development is a great example when a company is listening to it's customers. What the customers wanted to see in an HF radio they got it with the new one. Addition to it as a technical development the KSYN3A. It is been accomplished with keeping the shine of the K3 and the opportunity polish the existing K3 to K3S level. It is shocking experience for the competitors and I am wondering how will they react on it. Istv?n ha4zd -- From k6ctw at earthlink.net Sat May 16 13:28:52 2015 From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:28:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations Message-ID: <2682994.1431797332840.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> As I'm sitting here reading a seemingly endless stream of comments on the new K3S, I was wondering how this same thing might have played out if this sort of communication had been available when say, Drake announced their R-4 Line, or when Collins announced their S-Line. That would have been really great to watch! One thing is certain though, Elecraft is certainly one of the best of the amateur radio companies out there with service like none other. Maybe that's why they have so much business and such a loyal base of users. Just my 2 cents worth. 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW K2 # 455 From n6mql at arrl.net Sat May 16 13:40:43 2015 From: n6mql at arrl.net (ARRL - N6MQL) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup is working NOW! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5557811B.7070408@arrl.net> For those of you who are interested in actually getting on the air, instead of hanging out here on the chat room... The W6SFM Bug Roundup Event is going on now! Signals are being heard on 10,15, 20, 40 and 80 meters. I've got my Bug from 1918 out and having fun on the air with other Bug Key operators. Hope some of you decide to turn off the computer and join me too! 73, Michael N6MQL For more info: http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html From phystad at mac.com Sat May 16 13:43:21 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:43:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> Message-ID: <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> I had a debate a while back (about a year ago) with a friend of mine who got an Icom 7600 and he thought it was far superior to the K3. His evaluation though was listening to the audio of the K3 versus the audio of the Icom 7600. Since the 7600 sounded more like what he thought a good radio should sound like, he chose the 7600. I had been trying to ?sell? him on getting a K3. So, I am wondering ? is audio quality and tone the big measure of the performance of a radio. I know that my K3 audio does not sound as deep as my old Icom Pro III audio (I sold the Pro III last year) but my K3 could pick up and hear stations that did not even register with the Pro III. And, I could narrow down and separate out close CW stations with ease on the K3 compared to the jumble on the Pro III. These features and many others are the hallmarks of a superior radio ? audio quality to me is down the list past the top dozen other useful features found in the K3. Will I buy the new audio/DSP board when it is available for the K3. Not sure, but so far I have no problems with my current K3 audio. 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 16, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? The K3 audio is good, but after spending a year on another top-end rig, I can really hear a difference. Probably the only issue I have with the K3. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 05/16/2015 09:53 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Sat,5/16/2015 6:33 AM, Mike Harris wrote: >>> Sherwood has previously commented unfavourably on the audio quality of the LINE OUT signal. This has lead to the general acceptance that the LINE OUT level should be limited to 8-10. >> >> This is pretty ancient history, and is the result of a digital guy trying to design an audio output stage. The error was in 1) using an unshielded telecom transformer and 2) adding 600 ohms in series between the output device and that transformer. In the world of audio, that's well known to cause distortion. 3) 600 ohm inputs and outputs have not been used in pro audio for more than 40 years, another goof. >> >> I noticed the problem as soon as I got my first K3, measured it, and showed it around. I don't know if that was before or after Rob found it. >> >> If I'm not mistaken, the resistors were removed a LONG time ago, which, when placed as they were, caused the distortion. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Sat May 16 13:45:01 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 10:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: <1431765353560-7602969.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431765353560-7602969.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > Sound card specs - which sound card? > > As the K3-family produces the audio digitally and the USB is digital, there > isn't really any need for any sound card anymore. > > > jeff stai-2 wrote > > 3. I have no doubt the sound card spec will be good, but I'm still > curious > > as to what the specs will be. ;) > > >From the K3S FAQ: "...the new USB port integrates computer remote control and line-level audio. This eliminates the need for a sound card or external converters and their associated cables. Supports Windows, Linux and Apple platforms." So apparently the new USB port will present a sound card interface to the OS. That's one sound card spec right there. ;) But also, consider that the KIO3B will be available as a retrofit to the K3. Therefore it must interface in the same way as a KIO3A. That means any digital audio passed via USB will become analog audio as it enters or exits the KIO3B. 73 jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat May 16 14:01:56 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> Message-ID: <55578614.2060500@socal.rr.com> Re "Will I buy the new audio/DSP board when it is available for the K3. Not sure, but so far I have no problems with my current K3 audio.: That's where I am, too, Phil; one ear is deaf and lots of ringing in both, so ... . I guess it will depend on the price:-) 73, Phil W7OX On 5/16/15 10:43 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I had a debate a while back (about a year ago) with a friend of mine who got an Icom 7600 and he thought it was far superior to the K3. His evaluation though was listening to the audio of the K3 versus the audio of the Icom 7600. Since the 7600 sounded more like what he thought a good radio should sound like, he chose the 7600. I had been trying to ?sell? him on getting a K3. > > So, I am wondering ? is audio quality and tone the big measure of the performance of a radio. I know that my K3 audio does not sound as deep as my old Icom Pro III audio (I sold the Pro III last year) but my K3 could pick up and hear stations that did not even register with the Pro III. And, I could narrow down and separate out close CW stations with ease on the K3 compared to the jumble on the Pro III. These features and many others are the hallmarks of a superior radio ? audio quality to me is down the list past the top dozen other useful features found in the K3. > > Will I buy the new audio/DSP board when it is available for the K3. Not sure, but so far I have no problems with my current K3 audio. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On May 16, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> >> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? The K3 audio is good, but after spending a year on another top-end rig, I can really hear a difference. Probably the only issue I have with the K3. >> >> 73, Doug -- K0DXV From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat May 16 14:06:12 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 13:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <2682994.1431797332840.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2682994.1431797332840.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I was wondering how this same thing might have played out if this sort of communication had been available when say, Drake announced their R-4 Line, or when Collins announced their S-Line. That would have been really great to watch! > Just my 2 cents worth. > > 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW K2 # 455 > > ______________________________________________________________ Or maybe if you had just shelled out something north of $3500 for a KWM-2A right before the HF/KWM-380 was announced :-) At some point the K3S won?t have enough control processor or DSP power, or parts will go obsolete, or technology will advance, and more changes and newer radios will come along. There will always be the stories of the guys who just bought the last of the old ones. I bought my K3 back in 2008. I?ve gotten good use of it, and the whole experience with Elecraft has been far better than what I got from the several versions of the radio I owned prior to the K3 (although those were good radios, too). I haven?t decided whether to continue to upgrade my K3 or spring for a K3S just because. But I?m not losing a whole lot of sleep over it. I turned on my K3 this morning, and it still works just fine. In fact, because of the stream of upgrades, it works better now than it did when I bought it. I have more than one radio in daily use that has been around for well north of 60 years. I don?t really expect my K3-anything to last quite that long. Come to think of it ... I?m not likely to last that long either :-) Grant NQ5T From buddy at brannan.name Sat May 16 14:13:58 2015 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 14:13:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 In-Reply-To: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> References: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> Message-ID: Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's cracked up to be. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On May 16, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > Personally, I think the K3S is a nice set of new features for new buyers. It's just a refresh, adding a few more modern features to one of the best transceivers on the market. However, the only thing that will get more than a casual glance from me is a full-size rig with the P3 features built-in, putting out 200 watts. PSK, RTTY and CW decode on the screen, plugin keyboard, touch screen, and so on. THAT is the state of the art. > > Several years ago I sold my K-line and bought one of the top end rigs. It was very, very nice. However, after a year, I sold it and bought another K-line. I learned my lesson. But, that doesn't stop me from longing for a lot of those top-end rig features. > > Right now, Elecraft dominates a certain segment of the market. It could dominate the ENTIRE market if it choose to develop a full-size, fully integrated, desktop, main station transceiver. > > So, bottom line for me is K3S? Hmm. Nice. Wake me up when the Big Kahuna arrives. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sat May 16 14:21:49 2015 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1226076712.219702.1431800509842.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I think it goes deeper than this. Long after those engineering changes were made, and even up to the present day, we continually hear complaints about 'bad K3 audio'.?Every time the infamous "Bad K3 audio" thread starts up again, I try to understand the problem, but after asking lots of questions the only words I've ever heard used to describe the 'problem' are:?1/ 'bad'2/ 'noisy' or 'hissy'3/ 'fatiguing'?Without?a better description, preferably with hard measurements to back up the claims, it's almost impossible to help. At this time, I must assume that?most reports of 'bad K3 audio'?are due to sub-optimal settings of gain, passband, EQ, NR, AFX, etc., unless persuaded otherwise.?About five or six years ago I made recordings of various receivers and held a sort of double-blind test to see if the folks on the reflector could identify the K3. (This was in the days before the 4 kHz audio filter fix when everyone was complaining about artifacts.) The results were?about what you'd expect from?random guessing. I also found it interesting that?the ones who were the most vocal about 'bad K3 audio' declined to participate in?that little exercise (which included a Kenwood in the set of receivers).? I also recall one source of 'bad K3 audio' was exacerbated by the (perplexing) modern trend of using headphones with extreme upper and lower frequency response. "But my Kenwood sounds great compared to my K3." Yes? And it draws three or four times the current as your K3 -- and weighs two or three times as much. Do you really want to make your K3 into a Kenwood? Like Jim, I've spent time both inside the recording booth and?as one of?the musicians?in the studio. I've got fairly good ears. The K3 sounds just fine. ?Al ?W6LX From edauer at law.du.edu Sat May 16 14:23:46 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:23:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Collecting info about K3 and K3s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Over the past few days a number of questions have been posted about the retrofit mods and other changes to the rig, with some answered but not all; and the published FAQ doesn?t anticipate everything we-all are asking each other. For example, I had been wondering whether the 100 watt amp could be removed from a K3 and installed in a K3s/10, creating a K3s/100 and leaving behind a K3/10, for those for whom that would make sense. Two posts on the latest issue of the reflector say the PA technology has been changed . . . suggesting (though unclearly to me) that maybe an organ transplant in that direction can?t be done. Another is whether the KBPF3A can be retrofitted into a K3 without having to do solder-type revisions to the existing RF board. And the like. I?ve been wondering whether there?s a way this kind of info could be accumulated in some easily accessible form, as the Qs and As come along, maybe by adopting some common tag line for later searching. Not that clipping from every reflector issue wouldn?t be great fun, or course . . . . I have never used ?Nabble,? whatever that is, or any other archive. Any suggestions? Ted, KN1CBR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 14:31:46 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Not Running Message-ID: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Having a KPA 500 fan problem I believe. Was running the amp during RTTY contest and experienced - a Hi Temp ?hard fault. The case was very warm to the touch and the fan was not running. KPA Menu - Fan Ctl - is set to normal. So I let it cool down and then ran a test calling CQ a normal run rate (Amp putting out abt 200W) and watched temp climb and the fan does did not come on. When I shut the KPA off, the fan does not run. Does anyone know at what thresholds fan should start running ? ?Is there some way to do a fan test?73 Paulkc2nyu From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat May 16 14:40:03 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:40:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Missing FDIM talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55578F03.7020702@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> That really depends on what Elecraft is trying to do. If they're trying to be Icom, Kenwood or Yaesu, then yes, it's a bad move. If the purpose is to make the owners/investors filthy rich, it's a bad move. If their purpose is to make great radios, sell them at a decent price, and make a decent living, then maybe it's not so dumb after all. I'd rather not buy a new radio every couple of years just to have the newest, latest and greatest. I don't have a K3, I have a KX3. I like that my two year old KX3 does more now than when I bought it, that's far better than the FT-817 I almost bought. 73 -- Lynn On 5/16/2015 5:44 AM, GDR wrote: > Elecraft needs to evaluate their market and decide if they can survive marketing K3SX,Y, or Z incremental improvements verses leading with innovative, exciting products. I suspect most of use K3 owners will sit tight with what we have. Which in a way is bad for Elecraft business. From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Sat May 16 14:41:21 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:41:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio [was: K3S vs. K3] In-Reply-To: <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com><1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com><1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com><55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk><5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> Message-ID: I tend to use my K3 with headphones and a boom mike and the audio quality is excellent. From this I could deduce that it's possibly because the main amplifier is not in use, neither is the K3 speaker. If a new audio module becomes available, I may purchase one but for the time being, I'm happy to use the low level output from the K3 into a better quality audio amplifier and a decent sized speaker. I also have an Icom IC7100 which temporarily gets more use than the K3, but although the audio quality through its speaker seems to be better than the K3, if it's increased to a medium to loud output, the speaker rattles and the amplifier is being pushed too hard and doesn't have sufficient output. I really need to connect a better quality outboard speaker to evaluate the rig's internals. Once my new shack is completed, I intend to have a small sound system that can be connected to one or more rigs at a time, which will bypass the high level outputs. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:43 PM To: Doug Person Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 I had a debate a while back (about a year ago) with a friend of mine who got an Icom 7600 and he thought it was far superior to the K3. His evaluation though was listening to the audio of the K3 versus the audio of the Icom 7600. Since the 7600 sounded more like what he thought a good radio should sound like, he chose the 7600. I had been trying to ?sell? him on getting a K3. So, I am wondering ? is audio quality and tone the big measure of the performance of a radio. I know that my K3 audio does not sound as deep as my old Icom Pro III audio (I sold the Pro III last year) but my K3 could pick up and hear stations that did not even register with the Pro III. And, I could narrow down and separate out close CW stations with ease on the K3 compared to the jumble on the Pro III. These features and many others are the hallmarks of a superior radio ? audio quality to me is down the list past the top dozen other useful features found in the K3. Will I buy the new audio/DSP board when it is available for the K3. Not sure, but so far I have no problems with my current K3 audio. 73, phil, K7PEH From k2mk at comcast.net Sat May 16 14:50:51 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:50:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Not Running In-Reply-To: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431802251687-7603029.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Paul, My fan turns on at 50 decrees C. If the fan doesn't turn on when you turn off the amp it sounds like there is something wrong with the fan. This function is not related to internal temperature. 73, Mike K2MK Elecraft mailing list wrote > Having a KPA 500 fan problem I believe. Was running the amp during RTTY > contest and experienced - a Hi Temp ?hard fault. The case was very warm to > the touch and the fan was not running. KPA Menu - Fan Ctl - is set to > normal. So I let it cool down and then ran a test calling CQ a normal run > rate (Amp putting out abt 200W) and watched temp climb and the fan does > did not come on. When I shut the KPA off, the fan does not run. Does > anyone know at what thresholds fan should start running ? ?Is there some > way to do a fan test?73 Paulkc2nyu -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA-500-Fan-Not-Running-tp7603026p7603029.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Sat May 16 14:51:57 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 14:51:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Collecting info about K3 and K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555791CD.2030703@subich.com> > For example, I had been wondering whether the 100 watt amp could be > removed from a K3 and installed in a K3s/10, creating a K3s/100 and > leaving behind a K3/10, for those for whom that would make sense. Elecraft insiders have confirmed that can be done. > Two posts on the latest issue of the reflector say the PA technology > has been changed . . . suggesting (though unclearly to me) that maybe > an organ transplant in that direction can?t be done. Suggested but no specifics yet. In any case, the original KPA3 will work with the K3S/10. > Another is whether the KBPF3A can be retrofitted into a K3 without > having to do solder-type revisions to the existing RF board. The KBPF3A will work in a K3. However, you will still want to add the new bypass capacitor to the output of the 9V regulator to kill the LF hash being generated by the regulator although that is not strictly necessary unless you want to receive at 137 KHz (below about 250 KHz). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 2:23 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Over the past few days a number of questions have been posted about the > retrofit mods and other changes to the rig, with some answered but not > all; and the published FAQ doesn?t anticipate everything we-all are asking > each other. For example, I had been wondering whether the 100 watt amp > could be removed from a K3 and installed in a K3s/10, creating a K3s/100 > and leaving behind a K3/10, for those for whom that would make sense. Two > posts on the latest issue of the reflector say the PA technology has been > changed . . . suggesting (though unclearly to me) that maybe an organ > transplant in that direction can?t be done. Another is whether the KBPF3A > can be retrofitted into a K3 without having to do solder-type revisions to > the existing RF board. And the like. I?ve been wondering whether there?s > a way this kind of info could be accumulated in some easily accessible > form, as the Qs and As come along, maybe by adopting some common tag line > for later searching. Not that clipping from every reflector issue > wouldn?t be great fun, or course . . . . I have never used ?Nabble,? > whatever that is, or any other archive. Any suggestions? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat May 16 14:58:01 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:58:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 In-Reply-To: References: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> Message-ID: <55579339.2040707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> In my opinion, the K3(*) will become a legacy product when it is no longer possible to add functions without changing the front panel. There are already functions that aren't entirely obvious to the untrained operator (fortunately, if you want ESSB for example, you can learn the key sequence). That is the argument for a touch screen interface -- if you need another button, or need to change a label, you can just draw it on the screen, without changing hardware. I'm mildly curious about the front panel on the K3 vs. K3S for that reason. 73 -- Lynn On 5/16/2015 11:13 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's cracked up to be. From buddy at brannan.name Sat May 16 15:05:49 2015 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:05:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 In-Reply-To: <55579339.2040707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> <55579339.2040707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <2B724A8B-0998-4E0B-9311-27B8374538FA@brannan.name> Of course, my argument *against* the touch screen is that I can't use one, unless of course someone attaches a screen rader like Voiceover or Talkback to it. Which would probably not really be a thing. I'll be really sad if ham radio turns into something I can no longer participate in and keep up with the "state of the art". Anyway, I think touch screens are just transitional, meaning they're just a stop gap until some better/more intuitive thing comes along. Gimme knobs and buttons and things that have tactile feedback. Seriously, I think some of these guys are just putting in touch screens because they believe that it's "the newest thing to do", not for any inherent superiority of a touch screen interface. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On May 16, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > In my opinion, the K3(*) will become a legacy product when it is no longer possible to add functions without changing the front panel. > > There are already functions that aren't entirely obvious to the untrained operator (fortunately, if you want ESSB for example, you can learn the key sequence). > > That is the argument for a touch screen interface -- if you need another button, or need to change a label, you can just draw it on the screen, without changing hardware. > > I'm mildly curious about the front panel on the K3 vs. K3S for that reason. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/16/2015 11:13 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >> Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's cracked up to be. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From Gary at ka1j.com Sat May 16 15:09:50 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker In-Reply-To: <1431790900.8450.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <25523BCC-ADDE-4565-B201-6CE21BD509D7@wunderwood.org>, <1431790900.8450.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <555795FE.4579.E533109@Gary.ka1j.com> I wholeheartedly agree. Elecraft has done the right things to keep me as a client for life. It is the NOT just highest quality of their products in Ham Radio that is so attractive to me, they have shown me the integrity, customer service and personal consideration to me in their communications to me, enough so that I wish to be a loyal and lifetime customer. I hold Elecraft as a prime example of how Business should be operated. This work ethic deserves being rewarded. 73, Gary KA1J > Elecraft could have skipped offering the synth's for the K3... Then > sold the K3S, and increased their sales of that rig, they CHOSE not > too... They CHOSE to do the right thing, and offer the SYNTH's even > BEFORE they mentioned the K3S. > > While I am less than pleased, but not really too unhappy, (only had my > K3 a year), that I no longer own the newest rig, coolest, rig in town, > I am REALLY thankful that Elecraft designed the synth's to fit the K3, > when they did not have too! > > I will purchase Elecraft again because of that decision on their > parts... > > THANK YOU WAYNE and group for doing the right thing! From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 15:10:22 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Paul Horenstein via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:10:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <2682994.1431797332840.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2682994.1431797332840.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <14d5e226518-5497-39f53@webstg-m04.mail.aol.com> Interesting. As I remember, there was no upgrade path for the Drake 4 line short of selling your old R4 and getting an R4A,B and C. There was a factory upgrade for the 75A-2 to make it a 75A-2A, basically a 75A-3. Had to sell your 32S-1 to get a 32S-3. I'll be very happy to add a new KSYN3A to keep my K3 operating at peak performance. Paul K2PH -----Original Message----- From: Ken Miller K6CTW To: elecraft Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations As I'm sitting here reading a seemingly endless stream of comments on the new K3S, I was wondering how this same thing might have played out if this sort of communication had been available when say, Drake announced their R-4 Line, or when Collins announced their S-Line. That would have been really great to watch! One thing is certain though, Elecraft is certainly one of the best of the amateur radio companies out there with service like none other. Maybe that's why they have so much business and such a loyal base of users. Just my 2 cents worth. 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW K2 # 455 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to prh at aol.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 15:13:57 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Not Running In-Reply-To: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1381977847.246050.1431803637070.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would try to manually spin the fan by hand to check if it has become bound up Next I'd check to ensure the fan is firmly plugged in From: paul ecker via Elecraft To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:31 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Not Running Having a KPA 500 fan problem I believe. Was running the amp during RTTY contest and experienced - a Hi Temp ?hard fault. The case was very warm to the touch and the fan was not running. KPA Menu - Fan Ctl - is set to normal. So I let it cool down and then ran a test calling CQ a normal run rate (Amp putting out abt 200W) and watched temp climb and the fan does did not come on. When I shut the KPA off, the fan does not run. Does anyone know at what thresholds fan should start running ? ?Is there some way to do a fan test?73 Paulkc2nyu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jackbrindle at me.com Sat May 16 15:14:33 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Not Running In-Reply-To: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1002960314.287740.1431801106877.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check for two things -1) nothing is jamming the fan so that it won?t turn, and 2) the fan is plugged into the power supply properly as described in the assembly manual. When the KPA is powered off using the front panel switch, we discharge the power supply capacitors through the fans, which is why the fans will start up at that time. If this is not happening, then the fan is not receiving power. Check these two things and let me know what you find. - Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On May 16, 2015, at 11:31 AM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > > Having a KPA 500 fan problem I believe. Was running the amp during RTTY contest and experienced - a Hi Temp hard fault. The case was very warm to the touch and the fan was not running. KPA Menu - Fan Ctl - is set to normal. So I let it cool down and then ran a test calling CQ a normal run rate (Amp putting out abt 200W) and watched temp climb and the fan does did not come on. When I shut the KPA off, the fan does not run. Does anyone know at what thresholds fan should start running ? Is there some way to do a fan test?73 Paulkc2nyu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From k8cxm at hotmail.com Sat May 16 15:20:01 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:20:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 Message-ID: This is an easy question, with an easy answer, but I just don?t see how to ?tap 7 or 8? on the keypad in order to set the equalizers. 1-6, easy. But, I do not see a 7 or 8 on this little KX3. Where are they? This was easy on the K3 with the FULL keypad, but it eludes me here. Thanks. Jim Leder ... K8CXM From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat May 16 15:21:47 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:21:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 In-Reply-To: <2B724A8B-0998-4E0B-9311-27B8374538FA@brannan.name> References: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> <55579339.2040707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <2B724A8B-0998-4E0B-9311-27B8374538FA@brannan.name> Message-ID: <67CC61F2-A064-447A-B78E-805C5D7962F9@wunderwood.org> Right, touch screens are a highly-visual interface. Though my vision is good, I understand that Elecraft is serious about accessibility. I?ve worked on accessible web products and it is a tough challenge. Elecraft can?t justify that engineering on sales, they must do it because they care. One of the best engineers I?ve ever worked with was always beta testing new stuff, like Telesensory?s volatile Braille displays. Those were cool. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 16, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Of course, my argument *against* the touch screen is that I can't use one, unless of course someone attaches a screen rader like Voiceover or Talkback to it. Which would probably not really be a thing. I'll be really sad if ham radio turns into something I can no longer participate in and keep up with the "state of the art". Anyway, I think touch screens are just transitional, meaning they're just a stop gap until some better/more intuitive thing comes along. Gimme knobs and buttons and things that have tactile feedback. Seriously, I think some of these guys are just putting in touch screens because they believe that it's "the newest thing to do", not for any inherent superiority of a touch screen interface. > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: 814-860-3194 > Mobile: 814-431-0962 > Email: buddy at brannan.name > > > > >> On May 16, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> >> In my opinion, the K3(*) will become a legacy product when it is no longer possible to add functions without changing the front panel. >> >> There are already functions that aren't entirely obvious to the untrained operator (fortunately, if you want ESSB for example, you can learn the key sequence). >> >> That is the argument for a touch screen interface -- if you need another button, or need to change a label, you can just draw it on the screen, without changing hardware. >> >> I'm mildly curious about the front panel on the K3 vs. K3S for that reason. >> >> 73 -- Lynn >> >> On 5/16/2015 11:13 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>> Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's cracked up to be. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat May 16 15:26:13 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 14:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Collecting info about K3 and K3s In-Reply-To: <555791CD.2030703@subich.com> References: <555791CD.2030703@subich.com> Message-ID: <286CF21D-72C3-4B0F-A26B-1AC1252A37CD@tx.rr.com> > On May 16, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > >> Two posts on the latest issue of the reflector say the PA technology >> has been changed . . . suggesting (though unclearly to me) that maybe >> an organ transplant in that direction can?t be done. > > Suggested but no specifics yet. In any case, the original KPA3 will > work with the K3S/10. > I recall some comment about FET?s in the new KPA3. I wonder if the change was simply one of device availability, or if it addresses some of the transmit IMD concerns that have been raised by you and others. I guess all will be revealed at some point :-) Grant NQ5T From buddy at brannan.name Sat May 16 15:31:10 2015 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:31:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 In-Reply-To: <67CC61F2-A064-447A-B78E-805C5D7962F9@wunderwood.org> References: <555758CC.9030303@aol.com> <55579339.2040707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <2B724A8B-0998-4E0B-9311-27B8374538FA@brannan.name> <67CC61F2-A064-447A-B78E-805C5D7962F9@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <0CB936E7-D1C9-4A8A-BF92-3808E4F9419F@brannan.name> As cool as braille displays are (and as expensive, though cheaper than even 10 years ago), the technology hasn't changed significantly in years, if not decades. Still waiting for some clever person to come out with a multi-line display, but not yet. In general, I think web accessibility has improved a lot, at least where there aren't artificial constraints and when developers don't stray too far off published standards...of course, that's never a given. Also, Elecraft's commitment to accessibility, if not by designing it in at every stage, certainly by making it easy to develop, is only one reason I love this company and its products. Its commitment to long support of its products and unmatched customer focus are huge. Their customer loyalty is certainly no accident, and I'm happy to be counted in that number. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On May 16, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Right, touch screens are a highly-visual interface. Though my vision is good, I understand that Elecraft is serious about accessibility. I?ve worked on accessible web products and it is a tough challenge. Elecraft can?t justify that engineering on sales, they must do it because they care. > > One of the best engineers I?ve ever worked with was always beta testing new stuff, like Telesensory?s volatile Braille displays. Those were cool. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > On May 16, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > >> Of course, my argument *against* the touch screen is that I can't use one, unless of course someone attaches a screen rader like Voiceover or Talkback to it. Which would probably not really be a thing. I'll be really sad if ham radio turns into something I can no longer participate in and keep up with the "state of the art". Anyway, I think touch screens are just transitional, meaning they're just a stop gap until some better/more intuitive thing comes along. Gimme knobs and buttons and things that have tactile feedback. Seriously, I think some of these guys are just putting in touch screens because they believe that it's "the newest thing to do", not for any inherent superiority of a touch screen interface. >> >> -- >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >> Phone: 814-860-3194 >> Mobile: 814-431-0962 >> Email: buddy at brannan.name >> >> >> >> >>> On May 16, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >>> >>> In my opinion, the K3(*) will become a legacy product when it is no longer possible to add functions without changing the front panel. >>> >>> There are already functions that aren't entirely obvious to the untrained operator (fortunately, if you want ESSB for example, you can learn the key sequence). >>> >>> That is the argument for a touch screen interface -- if you need another button, or need to change a label, you can just draw it on the screen, without changing hardware. >>> >>> I'm mildly curious about the front panel on the K3 vs. K3S for that reason. >>> >>> 73 -- Lynn >>> >>> On 5/16/2015 11:13 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: >>>> Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's cracked up to be. >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat May 16 15:31:50 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:31:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Message-ID: <201505161931.t4GJVpVl000442@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Salvo, I attempted to make a contrasting list and those improvements that one can make to the K3 to bring it up to K3S performance in my e-mail titled: "K3S vs K3 - upgradability" (repeated, below): 1. Ultra-low noise synth. Boards obtainable for upgrading the K3 - I'll do this (for both Rx). 2. Second Preamp - I have a 6m preamp so not sure I will get the external PR6-10 - but maybe. 3. Multiple Atten Levels - not necessary for me. 4. USB/RS232 ports - I will not upgrade this. I am not fond of RJ45 connectors and current RS232 is fine. Internal soundcard probably will not suit my use - I like having the direct audio lines in/out. 5. KAT3 - not installed - no plan to do it now - I would like a two antenna selectable system - but not end of world. 6. Redesigned speaker amp - probably not - cost factor of replacing two DSP boards. 7. Fast T/R - I only do 15wpm - understand this is part of the synth upgrade. 8. Extended RX with modified KBPF3A - I understood a kit was available for to DIY - I will get a kit 9. Enhanced Look/Feel - maybe the soft touch VFO knob - not an important thing for me. The improved SYNTH provides improved receiver noise and improvements in fast CW speeds. This enabled extended use below 490-KHz to include the 630m and 2200m bands. Receiver reception is limited to above 250-Hz by the current KPBF3 so minor mods to it and the RF boards extends this to 100-Hz. The FAQ indicates addition of USB I/F and an internal soundcard. Not known if this eliminates the audio line-in/out. Improved receiver audio was done with a new version of the DSP board/improved speaker amp. I think this is the best one can discern without schematics and detailed feedback from questions to Elecraft (They are still at Dayton). For me this is not enough motivation to buy the K3S; I will incorporate the mods into my K3 that I determine desirable/cost-effective that fit my use. I like that they are mostly available for upgrading the K3. The "promise" of a SDR is non-obsolescence over time. But reality is eventually a total re-design will be possible and a new radio will emerge. K3S is a improved package of the K3 and not a K4 (whatever that would be). 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------------- From: iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Message-ID: <555710E4.5030109 at googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hi all. Does anybody out there had made a comparison and contextualized paper in between the two? Not a short list of commercial point of views? A deep table, going down to the technical and non technical aspects of the circuitry and the related operations features. That is a deep table with discussion about almost all the changes. A loyal view of what's going on. Too early? So we are reading just FAQ and surface only considerations. It is in the make? There is already one for each product? (as to make an apple to apple comparison) Thank in advance for any pointer to useful, not commercial, documents. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo PS at least the 50 MHz section will be in favor of the K3S with no retrofitting I think. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat May 16 15:33:15 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Collecting info about K3 and K3s Message-ID: <33DF9E6AF27A43D8A527FEFBD1549531@HPE250f> > Over the past few days a number of questions have been posted about the > retrofit mods and other changes to the rig, with some answered but not > all; and the published FAQ doesn?t anticipate everything we-all are asking > each other. > Any suggestions? > Ted, KN1CBR Yes- continue to ask questions that have not been answered in the current FAQ, preferably not buried deep in a wandering thread. Then, wait for the FAQ to be updated after the dust has settled, and Wayne and Eric have gotten some post-Dayton rest. 73, Bruce N1RX From k8cxm at hotmail.com Sat May 16 15:34:28 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 Message-ID: Never mind. My old eyes finally found them. From: k8cxm at hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 3:20 PM To: Elecraft Subject: KX3 switch 7 and 8 This is an easy question, with an easy answer, but I just don?t see how to ?tap 7 or 8? on the keypad in order to set the equalizers. 1-6, easy. But, I do not see a 7 or 8 on this little KX3. Where are they? This was easy on the K3 with the FULL keypad, but it eludes me here. Thanks. Jim Leder ... K8CXM From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat May 16 15:34:25 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:34:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S VS: K4 Message-ID: > Ga...no touch screen, please!!!! State of the art ain't always what it's > cracked up to be. "The future ain't what it used to be..." -Yogi Berra 73, Bruce N1RX From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat May 16 15:38:03 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:38:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 Message-ID: > This is an easy question, with an easy answer, but I just don't see how to > 'tap 7 or 8' on the keypad in order to set the equalizers. 1-6, easy. But, > I do not see a 7 or 8 on this little KX3. Where are they? Look closely at the front panel labels... 7, 8, 9 are next to the knobs. Press the knobs for those numbers. Bruce N1RX From kw1nd at comcast.net Sat May 16 15:41:52 2015 From: kw1nd at comcast.net (Mike) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55579D80.3030901@comcast.net> 7 is the AF/RF knob, 8 is PBT, 9 is keyer/mic. On 05/16/2015 03:20 PM, Jim Leder wrote: > This is an easy question, with an easy answer, but I just don?t see how to ?tap 7 or 8? on the keypad in order to set the equalizers. 1-6, easy. But, I do not see a 7 or 8 on this little KX3. Where are they? > -- 73, Mike, KW1ND Knoxville, TN From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat May 16 15:43:24 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Message-ID: > The improved SYNTH provides improved receiver noise and improvements > in fast CW speeds. This enabled extended use below 490-KHz to > include the 630m and 2200m bands. Receiver reception is limited to > above 250-Hz by the current KPBF3 so minor mods to it and the RF > boards extends this to 100-Hz. 250/100 KHz, not Hz. I _do_ have a radio that receives well down to 50Hz, but the K3 isn't it... Bruce N1RX From ed at w0yk.com Sat May 16 15:45:28 2015 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:45:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: <55565711.4090207@gmail.com> References: <55565711.4090207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93A7AE215A1F405ABE58128F1D34DCFC@X2201> "True" 45.45 baud FSK (with no bit timing jitter and near perfect overall bit timing) is available via the KIO3B USB port, *IF* the logger or other application program sends ASCII text via KY commands. This is really the best way to do FSK with the K3, or any radio. Minimal cabling, no PC Serial port, no K3 ACC port connection, highest performance. Only a SMOP for the application folks. Elecraft has done their part of the system design quite well, including properly filtered FSK for minimum bandwidth. Ed W0YK ___________________________________________________________________________ Lyle KK7P wrote: For FSK operation you need to use the FSK input pin on the Accessory connector, the same as a K3. AFSK, of course, can be routed through the USB audio path. Jeff WK6I wrote: > 1. Will we be able to transmit "true" 45.45 baud FSK RTTY via the USB port? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 15:50:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1757827018.265435.1431805847551.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Look at the knobs From: Jim Leder To: Elecraft Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 3:20 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 and 8 This is an easy question, with an easy answer, but I just don?t see how to ?tap 7 or 8? on the keypad in order to set the equalizers. 1-6, easy. But, I do not see a 7 or 8 on this little KX3. Where are they? This was easy on the K3 with the FULL keypad, but it eludes me here. Thanks. Jim Leder ... K8CXM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Sat May 16 15:57:28 2015 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: <93A7AE215A1F405ABE58128F1D34DCFC@X2201> References: <55565711.4090207@gmail.com> <93A7AE215A1F405ABE58128F1D34DCFC@X2201> Message-ID: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Ed Muns wrote: > Only a SMOP for the > application folks. > So, you're proposing cat-herding? ;) > Elecraft has done their part of the system design quite > well, including properly filtered FSK for minimum bandwidth. > Roger that. 73 jeff wk6i -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From k8cxm at hotmail.com Sat May 16 16:04:36 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail)) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:04:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 switch 7 & 8 (and 0 and 9) Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. My old eyes finally spotted those little numbers. Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999 There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat May 16 16:26:48 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Contentment - Nothing Technical Here... Move Along... Message-ID: <334ED548-5387-4A3F-824E-F9D6E2809E6E@gmail.com> Wayne, Eric, et al., I am content with my K3. I *did* order the P3TX transmit monitor addition and *might* buy the KIO3B *if* it has an onboard audio chip and circuitry that keeps the NF down as well as my E-MU 0204. It would be great to have everything in one smaller footprint. That said, the modular aspect of Elecraft keeps the hobby within reach of so many more people More people can enjoy the ownership of Elecraft. I think it is a minority (albeit a vocal minority) who want a pan-adapter built into their radio. I do not. I suspect most don?t because of what Elecraft offers. Oh, just because *you* and one of your friends wants it does not mean *everyone* wants it. :) Lots of people are trying to compare Elecraft to the other amateur radio manufacturers. Well, you?re comparing apples to oranges. Without exception, all three big manufacturers of amateur radios also have other divisions. Elecraft *just* builds for the amateur radio operator. So, while Icom may come out with the 7700 one year and upgrade it to the 7800 in five, they?ve got huge market share in other areas such as marine and commercial radios. The market research for those is different than it would be for the amateur market. That said, markets change over time. The K3 was (is) my dream rig. I wanted one for years. I finally got one. The advent of the K3S does not negate my value of my K3. There are those out there that will have to have the latest gee-whiz piece of equipment. I don?t. When I bought my K3, I compared it heavily to the TS-590. The K3 won on its weak signal specs and its modularity and Elecraft?s customer support (which plays a *huge* role for me). As for the comments about receive audio, I have no problems. However, I have listened to PRC-77s and PRC-104s at length while either on a hump or sitting in the FDC/COC of an artillery unit. Add an AN/GRA-39 over 1000 m of 26-pair cable and it?s even worse. That audio was piercing. As for some of the other upgrades, I just don?t know. I wasn?t enamored with the K3SYNTH upgrade. I just didn?t see where I?d use it. I can already regularly detect JT65 and JT9 at < -20. They might come in handy, but I just don?t know. I want someone with more experience (Ed, KL7UW or Jim, K9YC) to let me know what they think. The problem is that I?d have to buy two of them. If I have one regret regarding my K3 purchase it would be the additional receiver. I thought it was something I?d really use. Well, I rarely use it. I find the P3 *much* more useful. Will I sell the second receiver? Probably not. I appreciate what Elecraft does and how they do it. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 17:26:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:26:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <1226076712.219702.1431800509842.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1226076712.219702.1431800509842.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5557B614.1090003@aol.com> I have done A/B testing between the K3 and the following radios: Icom IC-746, IC-756 (Pro through ProIII) IC-7600, Yaesu FT-450, FTdx-1200, FTdx-3000, FT-991, Kenwood TS-480 and an older Kenwood TS-140. In each comparison I made sure to adjust all receive settings to flat (no emphasis). For audio input I used a K2 set to minimum output into a step-type attenuator. Signal level for each receiver was adjusted to S9 with no preamps on. In most cases the attenuator was set on. Input into the K2 was through an studio quality dynamic microphone that I felt confident could produce fairly flat output from 100 to 4000 Hz. The mic was in another room in which I played a recording through my HiFi system. Since the input to the transceivers was always exactly the same, the playing field was level. I did not listen through headphones or through any available line out. I used a variety of small, very efficient HiFi speakers. The FT-450, TS-140, IC-746 all had inferior audio quality. The FT-991 and TS-480 had similar audio quality. The FTdx-1200, FTdx-3000 and IC-7600 all had notably superior audio. I would characterize the FTdx-3000 and IC-7600 as having exceptionally good audio. I also used nearly all of the transceivers as a signal source for the others, noting a lot of variability in transmit audio quality. I did this just for my own ears - which are well trained. I do not conclude that the K3 has "bad" audio. But, I do not think it is as good as many of the top transceivers today. For me, good audio is low total distortion, flat (but configurable) frequency response - especially between 100 and 3000 Hz, even higher when dealing with real ESSB, and enough power to push and pull the speaker cone so there is a minimum amount of transient or mechanical distortion. (An under-powered amplifier for a given speaker, even if not producing high levels of distortion, can sound muddy because it lacks sufficient power to move the cone "crisply" from one direction to the other "Transient Response"). So, my testing was entirely subjective. I did it to satisfy my own curiosity and not to produce an engineering report for publication. However, 55 years as a musician, several years designing loudspeakers and HiFi receivers and a lifetime music enthusiast - I think I have good ears. So, again, the K3 does not have "BAD" audio. But, it could be much better than it is. It is clearly no match for the latest generation of upper-end transceivers. I'm sure someone with the right skills and equipment could do a very thorough set of tests. My personal hope is that the new DSP/Audio board will go into the K3 and produce a significant improvement as determined by my own ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 05/16/2015 12:21 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I think it goes deeper than this. Long after those engineering changes were made, and even up to the present day, we continually hear complaints about 'bad K3 audio'. Every time the infamous "Bad K3 audio" thread starts up again, I try to understand the problem, but after asking lots of questions the only words I've ever heard used to describe the 'problem' are: 1/ 'bad'2/ 'noisy' or 'hissy'3/ 'fatiguing' Without a better description, preferably with hard measurements to back up the claims, it's almost impossible to help. At this time, I must assume that most reports of 'bad K3 audio' are due to sub-optimal settings of gain, passband, EQ, NR, AFX, etc., unless persuaded otherwise. About five or six years ago I made recordings of various receivers and held a sort of double-blind test to see if the folks on the reflector could identify the K3. (This was in the days before the 4 kHz audio filter fix when everyone was complaining about artifacts.) The results were about what you'd expect from random guessing. I also found it interesting that the ones who were the most vocal about 'bad K3 audio' declined to participate in that little exercise (which included a Kenwood in the set of receivers). > I also recall one source of 'bad K3 audio' was exacerbated by the (perplexing) modern trend of using headphones with extreme upper and lower frequency response. > "But my Kenwood sounds great compared to my K3." Yes? And it draws three or four times the current as your K3 -- and weighs two or three times as much. Do you really want to make your K3 into a Kenwood? > Like Jim, I've spent time both inside the recording booth and as one of the musicians in the studio. I've got fairly good ears. The K3 sounds just fine. > Al W6LX > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com From erusst at att.net Sat May 16 17:32:56 2015 From: erusst at att.net (Russ Tobolic) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 21:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup is working NOW! In-Reply-To: <5557811B.7070408@arrl.net> References: <5557811B.7070408@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1268152518.149008.1431811976525.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Will my old K3 #732 work with my Vibroplex or will I need the K3s? ?I want to make sure I have all the latest. ?Or I guess I could just use my HT-32As.?Russ, N3CO From: ARRL - N6MQL To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:40 PM Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup is working NOW! For those of you who are interested in actually getting on the air, instead of hanging out here on the chat room... The W6SFM Bug Roundup Event is going on now! Signals are being heard on 10,15, 20, 40 and 80 meters.? I've got my Bug from 1918 out and having fun on the air with other Bug Key operators.? Hope some of you decide to turn off the computer and join me too! 73, Michael N6MQL For more info: http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to erusst at att.net From hsherriff at reagan.com Sat May 16 17:43:35 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:43:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker Message-ID: Dido what you said. ?Agree 100%. HarlanNC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Gary Smith Date: 05/16/2015 3:09 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S as mid-life kicker I wholeheartedly agree. Elecraft has done the right things to keep me as a client for life. It is the NOT just highest quality of their products in Ham Radio that is so attractive to me, they have shown me the integrity, customer service and personal consideration to me in their communications to me, enough so that I wish to be a loyal and lifetime customer. I hold Elecraft as a prime example of how Business should be operated. This work ethic deserves being rewarded. 73, Gary KA1J > Elecraft could have skipped offering the synth's for the K3...? Then > sold the K3S, and increased their sales of that rig, they CHOSE not > too...? They CHOSE to do the right thing, and offer the SYNTH's even > BEFORE they mentioned the K3S. > > While I am less than pleased, but not really too unhappy, (only had my > K3 a year), that I no longer own the newest rig, coolest, rig in town, > I am REALLY thankful that Elecraft designed the synth's to fit the K3, > when they did not have too! > > I will purchase Elecraft again because of that decision on their > parts... > > THANK YOU WAYNE and group for doing the right thing! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From w2lj at verizon.net Sat May 16 18:06:16 2015 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:06:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RFTB Sunday Night Message-ID: <1f7519d2cd62274688c4647924deea42@192.168.1.8> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat May 16 18:21:15 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5557C2DB.9030209@embarqmail.com> I believe the change from the K3 to the K3S has had a parallel in the K2 A to B change. The model number did not change from K2 to K2S in that case, but it was well known that a K2 above serial number 3000 had the B level boards. In addition, taking that K2 upgrade as an example, there were mod kits offered to bring an older K2 "almost" up to the level of the newer K2. There were a few minor changes that were not practical to implement on the level A boards, but the performance of an updated K2 was as good as a new K2. I see a similar upgrade path for the K3 - it will not quite become a K3S because it is unlikely the RF board will be changed, but other than the RF board and the added amp in the audio output, mod kits will be offered to bring an earlier K3 up to date as much as possible. The biggest performance improvement is had by installing the new synths, and that has already been done on many K3s. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/16/2015 10:42 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > I don't usually chime in on these threads, but since everyone seems > to be speculating on Elecraft's marketing strategy regarding the K3S, > my take on the matter is they screwed up. From all the whinging and > cribbing and whining about the fictional "K4" , Wayne and Eric should > have just rounded the corners on the front and rear panels, ala the > other manufacturers and called the K3S the K4. All the people > complaining they'd rather have had a "new" rig called the K4 would be > satisfied and the reflector could go back to normal without all the > considerable garbage being generated by the grammar cops, the K3S(s), > K4 cops and the rest of the stuff that just clutters up the reflector > with mostly useless garbage. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 16 18:24:37 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> Message-ID: <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think > that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would have done so. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 16 18:27:53 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <4D2CBFF4-0381-4C5A-9CA4-AC1C6C67329B@mac.com> Message-ID: <5557C469.6080204@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/16/2015 10:43 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > So, I am wondering ? is audio quality and tone the big measure of the performance of a radio. NO! > I know that my K3 audio does not sound as deep as my old Icom Pro III audio (I sold the Pro III last year) but my K3 could pick up and hear stations that did not even register with the Pro III. And, I could narrow down and separate out close CW stations with ease on the K3 compared to the jumble on the Pro III. These features and many others are the hallmarks of a superior radio ? audio quality to me is down the list past the top dozen other useful features found in the K3. RIGHT! 73, Jim K9YC From bsusb at k5dkz.com Sat May 16 19:32:42 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:32:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality standards. If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at studio quality prices. Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? > > If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would > have done so. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat May 16 18:42:14 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:42:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557B614.1090003@aol.com> References: <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1226076712.219702.1431800509842.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5557B614.1090003@aol.com> Message-ID: <5557C7C6.8030101@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/16/2015 2:26 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > So, my testing was entirely subjective. Perhaps, but it's the wrong test. Elecraft makes communications radios, where the program material is SPEECH with a bandwidth of about 400 Hz - 3 kHz. The right test would be close miked recordings of speech using an omni mic. Then there's the matter of using the K2 as a source, and whatever mic was used with it. While all the radios are hearing the same signal, the response of the K2 and the mic used can tilt the "sounds good" decision to one that compensates for any non-flat response in the K2. 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Sat May 16 19:10:39 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:10:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5557CE6F.5050303@sonic.net> On 05/16/2015 02:41 AM, iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato wrote: > Does anybody out there had made a comparison and contextualized paper in > between the two? ... > There is already one for each product? (as to make an apple to apple > comparison) Actually an Elecraft to Elecraft comparison. :=) Alan N1AL From alan at elecraft.com Sat May 16 19:12:15 2015 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:12:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <1431784261.8450.9.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431784261.8450.9.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <5557CECF.5010307@elecraft.com> On 05/16/2015 06:51 AM, David Cole wrote: > Can I assume the waterfall display will remain the same as it is today, > on the SVGA monitor? Yes, the SVGA display is unchanged. Alan N1AL From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 16 19:16:38 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: . I use a Timewave DSP599ZX to fix the problems I believe exist with the K3 audio. Put a Kenwood TS-590 next to a K3 in a true blind test. This takes the emotion out of it. I did, and I don't like the K3 audio, and I don't own a TS-590 as the other aspects of the Elecraft Solution is far superior to other offerings on the market. Note the word "Solution". It is key to my position. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 3:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think > that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would have done so. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat May 16 19:21:49 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it is another know to fiddle with. My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if they can "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after audio spectrum analysis. Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality standards. If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at studio quality prices. Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? > > If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would > have done so. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From alan at elecraft.com Sat May 16 19:23:26 2015 From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <1431780516562-7602976.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> <1431780516562-7602976.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5557D16E.30608@elecraft.com> Hi Mike, I don't believe there are any plans to display the transmitted envelope on the external SVGA monitor. The way the SVGA works is the I/Q data for the spectrum/waterfall display are streamed continuously to the SVGA via an SPI bus. The SVGA then basically duplicates everything the main processor is doing for the main display in order to display the spectrum and waterfall on the external monitor. The issue with displaying the power information is that it does not exist in the SVGA module. The main processor would have to somehow send the information in real time to the SVGA, which would then display it. There is an I2C bus between the two modules that is used for communications and control, but I don't think it would have enough bandwidth to handle real-time power data. Perhaps the main processor could pre-process the data and compress it somehow for transmission, but it would not be a simple task. Perhaps not impossible - I'll have to think some more about it. Alan N1AL On 05/16/2015 05:48 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Alan, > > Are there plans to display the transmitted envelope on an SVGA monitor in > the future. Would it require a different SVGA board? > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Alan Bloom-2 wrote >> On 05/15/2015 12:34 PM, Jeff Stai wrote: >>> 1. What about digital modes like RTTY and PSK at least? How will they >>> display? For these modes determination of good TX quality will be huge. >> >> The P3 screen shows the modulation envelope, so flat-topping of a PSK31 >> signal, for example, should be obvious. RTTY is constant-envelope >> modulation so you shouldn't see any amplitude changes. >> >>> 2. Distance from the sensor. In the FAQ the distance supported is 5'6" >>> but >>> longer is hinted as being possible. What are the considerations for a >>> longer run (say 20 feet)? For example, bigger conductors, or shielding, >>> or...? >> >> I'd say go ahead and try it. I haven't tested longer cables but I can't >> think of any reason they wouldn't work. All the input pins on the RJ-45 >> have pi-type R-C filter networks. >> >>> 3. Switching sensors. I see that mechanical RJ45 switches are available >>> for >>> low prices, what are the considerations for using a switch? Also, is it >>> strictly necessary to switch all 8 lines? >> >> I suppose you could just leave the +5V (pin 1) and ground (pin 3) lines >> connected to both sensors all the time, but a mechanical LAN switch >> probably switches all 8 wires anyway so it's a moot point. >> >>> 4. Meter display. This might be my favorite feature to have power/SWR >>> right >>> there at the P3, but the meter display to my eye is at least twice as >>> tall >>> as it needs to be. For digital contesting especially I live and die by >>> the >>> waterfall and hate to give up any real estate. Will the meter display >>> height be adjustable? (I'd be happy with just the numbers down in a >>> corner, >>> like: >> >> We're still tweaking the design so a shorter meter face is a >> possibility. You can also gain some display space by turning off the >> function key labels with the LABELS key or changing to a smaller type >> font with the "Font" menu selection. >> >> Alan N1AL > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3TX-questions-tp7602930p7602976.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 19:27:02 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:27:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3TX questions In-Reply-To: <5557CECF.5010307@elecraft.com> References: <5556986C.8010602@elecraft.com> <776321521.37615.1431740410281.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1431784261.8450.9.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <5557CECF.5010307@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1431818822.8450.20.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Thanks Alan!! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 16:12 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: > On 05/16/2015 06:51 AM, David Cole wrote: > > > Can I assume the waterfall display will remain the same as it is today, > > on the SVGA monitor? > > Yes, the SVGA display is unchanged. > > Alan N1AL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From phils at riousa.com Sat May 16 20:20:07 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:20:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: The weekly Elecraft SSB is Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I?ll be NCS from Oregon. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat May 16 20:24:48 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:24:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 49.380 MHz Oscillator Calibrator Message-ID: <1431822288436-7603068.post@n2.nabble.com> I measure my 49.380 MHz osc to be 49.379790 MHz. Anyone check theirs? KE9UW, Chuck ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/49-380-MHz-Oscillator-Calibrator-tp7603068.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Sat May 16 20:28:54 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 20:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <5557E0C6.9090301@subich.com> On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. Both of my K3s are dead silent with the AF Gain at zero (fully CCW) and have been since day 1. Certainly no hiss with the AF gain all the way down. Have you done the RF Gain calibration? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > > With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it is > another know to fiddle with. > > My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if they can > "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after audio > spectrum analysis. > > Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 > > Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality > standards. > > If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at studio > quality prices. > > > > Jim Brown wrote: >> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >>> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >>> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? >> >> If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would >> have done so. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Sat May 16 20:30:25 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 49.380 MHz Oscillator Calibrator In-Reply-To: <1431822288436-7603068.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431822288436-7603068.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431822625.8450.25.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi, After calibration to WWV on 15 MHz, I have, 49.379872 -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 17:24 -0700, ke9uw wrote: > I measure my 49.380 MHz osc to be 49.379790 MHz. Anyone check theirs? > > KE9UW, Chuck > > > > ----- > Chuck, KE9UW > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/49-380-MHz-Oscillator-Calibrator-tp7603068.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w0eb at cox.net Sat May 16 20:38:10 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:38:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <419A93A8-7D80-4DC3-A593-C7E8A8EF6DEE@cox.net> Same here, no noise whatsoever with the volume control at minimum and that's on both the internal speaker and the powered external speakers (West Mountain Radio CommSpeakers) with the volume control on the external speakers turned up. Jim, W0EB Sent from my iPad > On May 16, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > > Both of my K3s are dead silent with the AF Gain at zero (fully CCW) > and have been since day 1. Certainly no hiss with the AF gain all > the way down. > > Have you done the RF Gain calibration? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: >> Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. >> >> With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it is >> another know to fiddle with. >> >> My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if they can >> "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after audio >> spectrum analysis. >> >> Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 >> >> Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality >> standards. >> >> If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at studio >> quality prices. >> >> >> >> Jim Brown wrote: >>>> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >>>> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? >>> >>> If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would >>> have done so. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat May 16 20:45:42 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:45:42 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <419A93A8-7D80-4DC3-A593-C7E8A8EF6DEE@cox.net> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <419A93A8-7D80-4DC3-A593-C7E8A8EF6DEE@cox.net> Message-ID: K3 #679 unmodified since birth. RF gain CCW max. (All the way to the left) Nyet, zip, nada....silence. The speaker audio is another issue yet to be addressed later this year with a trip to hospital to be funded by welfare....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 17/05/2015 10:39 AM, "Jim Sheldon" wrote: > Same here, no noise whatsoever with the volume control at minimum and > that's on both the internal speaker and the powered external speakers (West > Mountain Radio CommSpeakers) with the volume control on the external > speakers turned up. > > Jim, W0EB > > Sent from my iPad > > > On May 16, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > > > On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > > > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > > > > Both of my K3s are dead silent with the AF Gain at zero (fully CCW) > > and have been since day 1. Certainly no hiss with the AF gain all > > the way down. > > > > Have you done the RF Gain calibration? > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > >> On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > >> Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > >> > >> With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it is > >> another know to fiddle with. > >> > >> My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if > they can > >> "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after > audio > >> spectrum analysis. > >> > >> Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. > >> > >> Jim > >> W6AIM > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > bs usb > >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM > >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 > >> > >> Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality > >> standards. > >> > >> If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at > studio > >> quality prices. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jim Brown wrote: > >>>> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > >>>> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think > >>>> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? > >>> > >>> If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would > >>> have done so. > >>> > >>> 73, Jim K9YC > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From beford at myfairpoint.net Sat May 16 20:55:22 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 20:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 49.380 MHz Oscillator Calibrator Message-ID: <2AF1D7163DF74DBAAAEAB33C73673153@HPE250f> > I measure my 49.380 MHz osc to be 49.379790 MHz. Anyone check theirs? > KE9UW, Chuck Chuck, If you are asking or concerned about the operating frequency of a XG50 signal source- The absolute frequency is not important. It is meant to be a relatively stable frequency source, not a particularly accurate one. When used to due the temperature compensation routine on a KX3, it is only important that it not drift significantly in frequency during the procedure. In this application, the actual operating frequency is not important, but stability is. 73, Bruce N1RX From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 16 21:08:53 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Frank via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:08:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Latest K3 Serial #? Message-ID: I bought mine at Visalia Dx convention in April, where it was suggested I was in just before they "ran out" of sheet metal...mines 9003. Just wondering how many more were made before the k3s? In essence, I'm wondering what the last k3 serial number was? Frank KG6N From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat May 16 21:20:03 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 21:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the K3 - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported by others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other aspects and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. I decided to make use of all the various menu settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The Cady book was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and basically found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said the K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings around it - right out of the box. By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to hear what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none have replied to my question on the matter. However, that really doesn't matter much, as I am in no hurry. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat May 16 21:47:35 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 18:47:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> This "By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it." is interesting, Bill. Can you share your combo of settings? Phil W7OX On 5/16/15 6:20 PM, Bill wrote: > > It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do > sound better than the K3 - warmer and richer > audio. That was my experience and is also > reported by others. However, these rigs are not > equals to the K3 in most other aspects and have > no K-Line of supporting equipment available. > > It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding > the way I wanted it to - to suit my needs of > armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss > and audio response were both a problem, making > my K3 less than desirable for my needs. > > I decided to make use of all the various menu > settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 > to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The > Cady book was a help in understanding what the > various settings do and why they do it. > > I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I > asked for help and basically found I was in this > by myself - other reflector users said the K3 > sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 > ran audio rings around it - right out of the box. > > By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - > I eventually I found a combo of settings that > work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm > receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified > speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for > hours at a time. Having said all this - I have > to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just > had to dig to get to it. > > Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. > I will first need to hear what experiences other > K3 users are having with it. So far, none have > replied to my question on the matter. However, > that really doesn't matter much, as I am in no > hurry. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat May 16 21:59:46 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 21:59:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Questoin In-Reply-To: <403722500.14536252.1431694008291.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <403722500.14536252.1431694008291.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <30DCCCD0-0459-4DC2-A83D-4A1D0B453487@elecraft.com> Hi Dave, Being fully shielded, the sub RX already had very low noise to begin with. This leaves the attenuator question. Yes, the main RX now has a modest advantage in that department. If we update the sub's main board in the future, we'll add the other attenuator section to it. I think the more significant determinant of parity between the two is the shared synthesizer upgrade. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 8:46 AM, dhhdeh at comcast.net wrote: > > > > Wayne, > > > > One of the original K3?s claims to fame was that the main receiver and sub receiver were identical?perhaps the only dual receiver transceiver to have this feature. The original K3 data sheets states: ??..Within the top echelon of transceivers, only the K3 offers state-of-the-art, identical main and subreceivers? > > > > If the KRX3 will not have any changes to it other than the addition of a noise reduction mod for the 100-500 kHz range, then the two receivers will no longer be identical, n?est pas? > > > > I realize that in practice they may be very nearly so, but as I read the spec?s and FAQ?s on the K3S, its main receiver will have new features and improved performance ( added 5/10/15dB attenuator, lower RF and digital noise floor, better port-to-port isolation) which I interpret, based on your comment here earlier, will not be available/included in the KRX3. Am I missing something? > > > > I am not an engineer but I am a technically informed and competent user, so I would appreciate your clarification on this point as I contemplate whether to upgrade, to upgrade but retain my original KRX3 or stand pat with my K3 as is. > > > > BTW... the year I decide not to go to Dayton, you decide to do this! arrgh.... > > > > Thanks and 73 de N1LQ - Dave K3 #371 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat May 16 22:03:38 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:03:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications In-Reply-To: <55553A0D.6010006@sbcglobal.net> References: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55550742.2000007@subich.com> <0F557ECA-2C7D-49E9-A450-5EA5EFBB424B@elecraft.com> <55553A0D.6010006@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0A769CCF-2011-4314-946D-558C0ED6BFAA@elecraft.com> Yes. W ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 14, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > > Wayne, will those of us who aren't willing to work with surface-mount parts, be able to send our boards in for upgrading? > I'd really like for my K3 to be able to tune down as far as 100 kHz. > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > >> On 5/14/2015 2:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> We'll have a mod kit in 2 or 3 weeks, with parts for both the KBPF3 and RF board. >> >> Wayne > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From w9ac at arrl.net Sat May 16 22:08:01 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:08:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Message-ID: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 and K3-mini. A few questions: 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there a way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, SDR-IQ control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn?t appear to apply here since the K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? I've tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought perhaps the K3 mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the receive audio. 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is excellent. It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of the speaker amp. Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the AF control? 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a K3 at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the remote site, will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some way let the user know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? Or, must we rely on the green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? Tnx! Paul, W9AC From phystad at mac.com Sat May 16 22:22:05 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1FF15728-4502-465E-AC16-485C0F8CAD1D@mac.com> I admit to not doing a darn?d thing to K3 settings to adjust the audio. Must be exactly the same as they were from the the K3 came from Factory, December 2009. I think though that others may desire more because they operate primarily SSB where as I am 98 percent CW. Well, maybe 99 percent. And, my only adjustment is choosing the sidetone to be what I prefer. As for audio quality, not sure what I should expect with the bandwidth set down to values below 300 Hz most of the time. When searching for stations, I am about 1000 Hz but as soon as I start a QSO, I narrow it down to something that narrow enough to knock out a lot of QRM and QRN (if it is present). 73, phil, K7PEH > On May 16, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > This "By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it." is interesting, Bill. > > Can you share your combo of settings? > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/16/15 6:20 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the K3 - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported by others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other aspects and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. >> >> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. >> >> I decided to make use of all the various menu settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The Cady book was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. >> >> I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and basically found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said the K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings around it - right out of the box. >> >> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >> >> Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to hear what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none have replied to my question on the matter. However, that really doesn't matter much, as I am in no hurry. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From rtavan at gmail.com Sat May 16 22:55:45 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 16:55:45 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> Message-ID: 1) Yes. There are a 9-pin connector and a USB-Mini connector on the front panel of the Control-RRC that can connect to your computer COM or USB port. Then your computer "sees" the remote radio as if it were local. I think these two connectors are "either-or;" you can't use them both concurrrently. 2) I haven't found any local mic monitor using a real K3-real K3 connection. You can turn up the monitor on the remote K3 using the local K3's MIC control and then hear yourself, but the delay is aggravating. 3) Not sure what you want here. You should be able to turn down the volume of the remote K3 with the AF Gain control of the Mini. If that makes the CW sidetone too quiet, there is a control for that in one of the RRC menus; not convenient but at least it's there. 4) Dunno; never tried that. 73, /Rick N6XI Sorry, no answers to your other questions. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Paul Christensen wrote: > Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 and > K3-mini. A few questions: > > 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there a > way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, SDR-IQ > control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn't appear to apply here since the > K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; > > 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? I've > tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought perhaps the K3 > mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the receive audio. > > 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even > louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is excellent. > It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of the speaker amp. > Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the AF control? > > 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a K3 > at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the remote site, > will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some way let the user > know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? Or, must we rely on the > green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? > > Tnx! > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From rtavan at gmail.com Sat May 16 23:01:06 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:01:06 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: A former colleague summed it up nicely during a bar conversation about our stereo systems: "All audio is just a psycho-acoustic trick." 73, /Rick N6XI On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: > > It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to > suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio > response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. > > ... > > By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a > combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive > audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to > listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 > has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat May 16 23:22:01 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 03:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Questing In-Reply-To: <30DCCCD0-0459-4DC2-A83D-4A1D0B453487@elecraft.com> References: <30DCCCD0-0459-4DC2-A83D-4A1D0B453487@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <880748274.232851.1431832921122.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Wayne, Since the KRX3 is so well shielded, is there any chance the KRX3 in fact performing marginally better than the main RX? 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Wayne Burdick ???? "dhhdeh at comcast.net" ??(CC)? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2015?05?17? (??) 9:59 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 Questoin Hi Dave, Being fully shielded, the sub RX already had very low noise to begin with. This leaves the attenuator question. Yes, the main RX now has a modest advantage in that department. If we update the sub's main board in the future, we'll add the other attenuator section to it. I think the more significant determinant of parity between the two is the shared synthesizer upgrade. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 8:46 AM, dhhdeh at comcast.net wrote: > > > > Wayne, > >? > > One of the original K3?s claims to fame was that the main receiver and sub receiver were identical?perhaps the only dual receiver transceiver to have this feature. The original K3 data sheets states: ??..Within the top echelon of transceivers, only the K3 offers state-of-the-art, identical main and subreceivers? > >? > > If the KRX3 will not have any changes to it other than the addition of a noise reduction mod for the 100-500 kHz range, then the two receivers will no longer be identical, n?est pas? > >? > > I realize that in practice they may be very nearly so, but as I read the spec?s and FAQ?s on the K3S, its main receiver will have new features and improved performance ( added 5/10/15dB attenuator, lower RF and digital noise floor, better port-to-port isolation) which I interpret, based on your comment here earlier, will not be available/included in the KRX3. Am I missing something? > >? > > I am not an engineer but I am a technically informed and competent user, so I would appreciate your clarification on this point as I contemplate whether to upgrade, to upgrade but retain my original KRX3 or stand pat with my K3 as is. > >? > > BTW... the year I decide not to go to Dayton, you decide to do this! arrgh.... > >? > > Thanks and 73 de N1LQ - Dave K3 #371 From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat May 16 23:27:19 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 03:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Audio setting (was: K3S vs. K3) In-Reply-To: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <648358730.223863.1431833239303.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Bill, I should be grateful if you could share with us your combo audio setting. ?I must admit that I am one of the naughty boys complaining the audio of K3 - too much artifacts, during voice mode. Hopefully, the forthcoming new DSP board in K3S (or upgrade to K3) will give more DSP power reservation for future enhancement. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Bill ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?17? (??) 9:20 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the K3 - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported by others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other aspects and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. I decided to make use of all the various menu settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The Cady book was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and basically found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said the K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings around it - right out of the box. By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me.? My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time.? Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to hear what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none have replied to my question on the matter. However, that really doesn't matter much, as I am in no hurry. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat May 16 23:29:04 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 03:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 Question In-Reply-To: <880748274.232851.1431832921122.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <880748274.232851.1431832921122.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448092106.229965.1431833344586.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Oh, typo, wrong spelling, the subject should read "KRX3 Question" ???? Johnny Siu ???? Wayne Burdick ; "dhhdeh at comcast.net" ??(CC)? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2015?05?17? (??) 11:22 AM ??? [Elecraft] KRX3 Questing Hello Wayne, Since the KRX3 is so well shielded, is there any chance the KRX3 in fact performing marginally better than the main RX? 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ? ? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? "dhhdeh at comcast.net" ??(CC)? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2015?05?17? (??) 9:59 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 Questoin ? Hi Dave, Being fully shielded, the sub RX already had very low noise to begin with. This leaves the attenuator question. Yes, the main RX now has a modest advantage in that department. If we update the sub's main board in the future, we'll add the other attenuator section to it. I think the more significant determinant of parity between the two is the shared synthesizer upgrade. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 8:46 AM, dhhdeh at comcast.net wrote: > > > > Wayne, > >? > > One of the original K3?s claims to fame was that the main receiver and sub receiver were identical?perhaps the only dual receiver transceiver to have this feature. The original K3 data sheets states: ??..Within the top echelon of transceivers, only the K3 offers state-of-the-art, identical main and subreceivers? > >? > > If the KRX3 will not have any changes to it other than the addition of a noise reduction mod for the 100-500 kHz range, then the two receivers will no longer be identical, n?est pas? > >? > > I realize that in practice they may be very nearly so, but as I read the spec?s and FAQ?s on the K3S, its main receiver will have new features and improved performance ( added 5/10/15dB attenuator, lower RF and digital noise floor, better port-to-port isolation) which I interpret, based on your comment here earlier, will not be available/included in the KRX3. Am I missing something? > >? > > I am not an engineer but I am a technically informed and competent user, so I would appreciate your clarification on this point as I contemplate whether to upgrade, to upgrade but retain my original KRX3 or stand pat with my K3 as is. > >? > > BTW... the year I decide not to go to Dayton, you decide to do this! arrgh.... > >? > > Thanks and 73 de N1LQ - Dave K3 #371 ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 17 01:25:02 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:25:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Message-ID: Being hearing impaired ...i.e. almost deaf ... has some advantages. My K3's audio sounds great and always has. I can hear it. 73 Fred K6DGW TDY Sparks NV Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: >A former colleague summed it up nicely during a bar conversation about our >stereo systems: "All audio is just a psycho-acoustic trick." > >73, > >/Rick N6XI > >On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: > >> >> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to >> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio >> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. >> >> ... >> >> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a >> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive >> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to >> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 >> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >> > >-- >Rick Tavan N6XI >Truckee, CA >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From vk6vz at arach.net.au Sun May 17 01:50:18 2015 From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:50:18 +0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point Message-ID: <7D254644DADE4A7AA835D221FDA2D000@StevesHPpcPC> G?day Unless a radio sounds nice, however good the RF performance I think we ultimately shy away from using it. If Wayne and Eric have substantially improved the K3 audio quality with the new K3S version, IMHO this is a major step forward and a big sales aid. As a K3 user since 2008 and mostly CW operator, the main reason it finally got displaced from the ?go-to? spot on the operating desk here was the tonal quality of the audio, which tired me during long periods of operation. I should add my K3 is fitted with the ?first generation? DSP board and I never got around to acquiring the replacement version. The K3?s superb RF performance, in particular under contest conditions and for weak signal DXing on 160m had deservedly kept it welded in place there for almost seven years, but the supporting acts of the old analogue Ten Tec Corsair and Icom IC-751A were easier on the ears and got used for general listening/operating. I finally changed to another modern radio for main duties a month or ago, which sounded better to my ears than my K3 and has a similar RF performance. Vy 73 Steve, VK6VZ >I had a debate a while back (about a year ago) with a friend of mine who got an Icom 7600 and he thought it was far superior to the K3. His evaluation though was listening to the audio of the K3 versus the audio of the Icom 7600. Since the >7600 sounded more like what he thought a good radio should sound like, he chose the 7600. I had been trying to sell him on getting a K3. >So, I am wondering ? is audio quality and tone the big measure of the performance of a radio. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun May 17 03:04:51 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 07:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point In-Reply-To: <7D254644DADE4A7AA835D221FDA2D000@StevesHPpcPC> References: <7D254644DADE4A7AA835D221FDA2D000@StevesHPpcPC> Message-ID: <431856606.254208.1431846291426.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, I am also the one complaining about artifacts in the audio especially during SSB. ?Hence, improvement in audio will be a big plus to me. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Steve Ireland ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?05?17? (??) 1:50 PM ??? [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point G?day Unless a radio sounds nice, however good the RF performance I think we ultimately shy away from using it. If Wayne and Eric have substantially improved the K3 audio quality with the new K3S version, IMHO this is a major step forward and a big sales aid. As a K3 user since 2008 and mostly CW operator, the main reason it finally got displaced from the ?go-to? spot on the operating desk here was the tonal quality of the audio, which tired me during long periods of operation. I should add my K3 is fitted with the ?first generation? DSP board and I never got around to acquiring the replacement version. The K3?s superb RF performance, in particular under contest conditions and for weak signal DXing on 160m had deservedly kept it welded in place there for almost seven years, but the supporting acts of the old analogue Ten Tec Corsair and Icom IC-751A were easier on the ears and got used for general listening/operating. I finally changed to another modern radio for main duties a month or ago, which sounded better to my ears than my K3 and has a similar RF performance. Vy 73 Steve, VK6VZ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun May 17 03:09:39 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 00:09:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and expectations In-Reply-To: <555741EF.40404@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I assembled my K3, I wondered, why all the different boards? It would be more reliable if all those functions were on the same board with fewer connectors to fail. When the new synth was announced I got my answer. Now I'm waiting for the QRM reduction feature. It helps when trying to work through a pileup. It sends the necessary RF so the stations QRMing you in the pileup have their RF canceled out in the DX's antenna so your call sign stands out clearly. :-) 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/16/15 at 6:11 AM, wa8jxm at gmail.com (WA8JXM) wrote: >Isn't it great that the K3 is modular and the subassemblies can >be upgraded without needing t o buy a whole new rig? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun May 17 03:37:14 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 03:37:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point In-Reply-To: <431856606.254208.1431846291426.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7D254644DADE4A7AA835D221FDA2D000@StevesHPpcPC> <431856606.254208.1431846291426.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > As a K3 user since 2008 and mostly CW operator, the main reason it finally > got displaced from the ?go-to? spot on the operating desk here was the > tonal quality of the audio, which tired me during long periods of > operation. I should add my K3 is fitted with the ?first generation? DSP > board and I never got around to acquiring the replacement version. > The K3S DSP board is specifically aimed at that complaint and others and will be available for retrofit to K3 later this year. 73, Guy K2AV -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From stewart at twinwood.me Sun May 17 03:51:26 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201551785126.010519@Shack> On Sun, 17 May 2015 03:37:14 -0400, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> As a K3 user since 2008 and mostly CW operator, the main reason it finally >> got displaced from the 'go-to' spot on the operating desk here was the >> tonal quality of the audio, which tired me during long periods of >> operation. I should add my K3 is fitted with the 'first generation' DSP >> board and I never got around to acquiring the replacement version. >> > > The K3S DSP board is specifically aimed at that complaint and others and > will be available for retrofit to K3 later this year. > > 73, Guy K2AV To me the RX audio quality of the K3 has been it's weakest point. Good that Elecraft have finally addressed it. However, at what cost ? The thought of having to purchase 2 new DSP boards (one for the 2nd RX) is not very appealing... I already brought the small add on filter board in the hope that it would improve things (it didn't). 73 Stewart G3RXQ From wb6rse1 at mac.com Sun May 17 04:07:55 2015 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (Steve Lawrence) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, PR6 bypass question In-Reply-To: <1431725300599-7602938.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <238DE731A7DF4C428C9C599564376794@ejhPC> <1431715730534-7602922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431725300599-7602938.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <656B5BE2-3CE5-45D6-9690-48EB21EA8044@mac.com> This problem happens when using an external RX ant passed through a PR# AND using a KPA500. Using a DB15 M/F gender change at the "Y" to the KPA500 and twisting off its pin 11 preserves the cable for future capability. The K3S having the PR preamp built in likely does not have this issue. 73 - Steve WB6RSE Sent from my iPod On May 15, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > HI again Emory, > > I want to add a clarification. I pulled up the old post from WB6RSE where he > explains the problem. Pin 11 on the K3 is the DIGOUT signal that you want to > get to the PR6. Pin 11 on the KPA500 is an amplifier inhibit input. You > don't want to snip the pin at the K3 or it won't get to the PR6. Since you > are using a Y adapter you want to snip pin 11 in the leg that goes to the > KPA500 or directly at the KPA500. Wherever you have a male pin. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > Mike K2MK wrote >> Hi Emory, >> >> You have to remove pin 11 from the 15 pin connector. You can do it on the >> K3 side or the KPA500 side. For an explanation search the archive for: >> >> pin 11 problem >> >> It's easy to do. Carefully identify it and grab it with a small needle >> nose pliers. Gently wiggle it back and forth and it will break off. >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK >> >> ejkkjh wrote >>> I can not get the PR6 to bypass? >>> I have been using my K3 and PR6 for awhile but I have not tried >>> connecting a receive antenna to the PR6 until recently when Wayne said to >>> use the K3 receive antenna port for 630 meter receive. I pulled the >>> jumper P2 in the PR6. I have the 15 pin connector that comes with the >>> PR6 connected to one side of the Y 15 pin ACC connector from the K3, >>> other side of the Y goes to the KPA500, KAT500. And I have the DIGOUT1 >>> set on for 6 meters only, all other bands it is off. If I pull the 3 pin >>> power, ctrl connector from the PR6 it goes to bypass and receive ant >>> works fine. Read through the manuals, did not see what I am missing? >>> Any help would be appreciated. Thank you 73 >>> Emory WM3M > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-PR6-bypass-question-tp7602917p7602938.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb6rse1 at mac.com From dc0ed at gmx.net Sun May 17 05:03:16 2015 From: dc0ed at gmx.net (dc0ed at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 11:03:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Alexloop with Tripod for sale Message-ID: <012E7809-F1E4-41BE-864B-8326E8F59273@gmx.net> Alexloop portable magnetic loop with tripod for sale in European Community. Excellent optical and technical condition. Transport via DHL. Some pictures and price can be found at: http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/alexloop-amateurfunk-portabelantenne-40-10m-+-stativ/319284734-168-1403?ref=search Please contact me off list, thank you. 73 Attila DC0ED From iw1ayd at gmail.com Sun May 17 07:42:36 2015 From: iw1ayd at gmail.com (iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:42:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55587EAC.6050209@googlemail.com> Hi Ed and all. That's interesting, but not resolutive, nor a full solution for everyone. It will introduces changes that needs to be addressed. But even if addressed, those changes, will not give such a great solution redly usable by for everyone. I.E. not contesting with a medium or big SO setup. First, Ed, as you pointed out. there will be the need of another setting in a new programmed set of TTY programs. Second, this will be moving the TXing/translating of 7 bits to 5 bits tasks from the PC or the interface /controller just into the radio. I don't see it as a solution, but just as integration of another virtualized items. Any single physical item that fail will trash down several virtual items. Third, I strongly hope that the USB onto the KIO3B interface is on an insulated USB - inside the radio. If it isn't electrical noise noise will come from each side to the other. Some RFI and EMI may arise in particular installations. The Liquid Music approach is showing rules that apply here. The right quality doesn't stay on high ends but in simple and effective solutions, since the layout of power rails. The first point is a wait if any programmers is interested it. This will be a another cable, USB this time, to be connected to the radio (1). Where is the PTT now, a CAT command on USB? Does anybody still need sequencing or other signals? Quick and dirty? Add a cable not subctracting all the others. The second point also introduce the need of a controller to tie two radios together. This will not superseded by a USB add on for the radio. Why a second controller that tie radios to a PC: SO2R. Or, more simply, control via a single points different commands to different I/O even with single radio ... not having to use other interfaces and boxes to do it. USB by itself couldn't seem to be a problem, but it will have some pitfalls: the radio processor capacity in any season, the needs of a controller interface for other tasks (i.e. SO2R related), the still needed capacity of a PC (i.e. its processor and OS configuration) to pack 7 bits data into the USB stream. This last will not solve the CPU capabilities issues, but thankfully move all those to better timings realm. That's the only good thing adding an USB to communicate in between the radio and the PC. It moves the strict timing problem of a 5 bits UART emulations into the not so strict problems of a simple ASCII communication - program side. But still leaving all the code or libraries intervention to communicate on a USB bus with its drivers deeply run by the same CPU. This is one of the why a multi/multi CPU is anyway preferred when used with latest OSs. The third consideration USB insulation may require someone more expert than me. But out of the noise propagation quite granted with Galvanic, metallic, continuity there is some more prosaic aspects. Digital signals doesn't give insulation by itself, that's a job for the wire transport. Until yesterday we have used insulated interface and now what? The new KIO3B doesn't seems to me such interesting out of casual RTTY. It's giving, maybe, a solution that will only aggravate others problems. Maybe, as others already and rightly pointed out, it's too early to discuss about. For this reason I am just on the surface here, not going to deep with other, bot corollaries or mains, considerations 73 de iw1ayd Salvo PS real changes are to be made on faster and sharable interfaces, data transports and presentations. Moving a serial in or out a PC will not solve anything, it will just move the problems. Problems that already have workable, effective and high available, solutions made within Microham interfaces. Use a knife as a knife and a fork as a fork. On 17/05/2015 02:30, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:45:28 -0400 > From: "Ed Muns" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B > Message-ID: <93A7AE215A1F405ABE58128F1D34DCFC at X2201> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > "True" 45.45 baud FSK (with no bit timing jitter and near perfect overall > bit timing) is available via the KIO3B USB port,*IF* the logger or other > application program sends ASCII text via KY commands. This is really the > best way to do FSK with the K3, or any radio. Minimal cabling, no PC Serial > port, no K3 ACC port connection, highest performance. Only a SMOP for the > application folks. Elecraft has done their part of the system design quite > well, including properly filtered FSK for minimum bandwidth. > > Ed W0YK From beford at myfairpoint.net Sun May 17 08:18:17 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point Message-ID: <2D575BB6ED6641FA94FDD6EC4AF2607D@HPE250f> The speaker amp and pre-driver for both channels reside on the main DSP board. Even with the second RX, you would not have to replace the sub RX DSP board. That said, do you find the headphone audio OK, but the speaker (internal or via rear jack) objectionable? If you think the headphone audio is sub-par, then the DSP audio amp improvements will not help you. 73, Bruce N1RX > To me the RX audio quality of the K3 has been it's weakest point. Good > that Elecraft have finally addressed it. However, at what cost ? > The thought of having to purchase 2 new DSP boards (one for the 2nd RX) is > not very appealing... I already brought the small add on filter board in > the hope that it would improve things (it didn't). From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun May 17 08:34:49 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 05:34:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 49.380 MHz Oscillator Calibrator In-Reply-To: <2AF1D7163DF74DBAAAEAB33C73673153@HPE250f> References: <1431822288436-7603068.post@n2.nabble.com> <2AF1D7163DF74DBAAAEAB33C73673153@HPE250f> Message-ID: <1431866089763-7603096.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes thanks. I see that the frequency is just required to be stable for the gathering of the KX3 drift from it vs temperature. I mistakenly thought it was freq accurate and did the room temp ref cal at the end with it. After I determined what freq it was, the room temp ref cal was right on. Now that I think about it, I'm not surprised. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/49-380-MHz-Oscillator-Calibrator-tp7603068p7603096.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w9ac at arrl.net Sun May 17 08:42:53 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> Message-ID: Rick, thanks for your comments. Regarding question #3: > ?3) Not sure what you want here. You should be able to turn down the volume of the remote K3 with the AF Gain control of the Mini. If that makes the CW sidetone too quiet, there is a control for that in one of the RRC menus; not convenient but at least it's there. Like local mode, the CW sidetone is not adjustable with the AF control when running remote with the K3/K3-Mini/RemoteRig. But that?s not the issue. The issue is that the speaker gain is excessive, picks up significant digital noise, and blasts the CW sidetone regardless of whether the sidetone comes back from the K3 at the remote site (with normal latency), or the locally injected sidetone from RemoteRig. If I access the RemoteRig menu and reduce the sidetone level, then it?s too low when using headphones. The K3-Mini?s receive audio and sidetone is excellent with headphones. The problem is with the gain distribution of only the speaker amp after the K3-Mini?s AF control. It?s as if the speaker amp is running without any negative feedback. Maybe I?m not looking hard enough, but I don?t see a schematic of the K3-Mini on the Elecraft website. So it?s difficult to localize the problem without it. I?ll likely open up a trouble ticket with Elecraft on Monday morning. Paul, W9AC From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun May 17 08:46:52 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 05:46:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 Modifications In-Reply-To: <0A769CCF-2011-4314-946D-558C0ED6BFAA@elecraft.com> References: <667220673.539457.1431634120756.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <55550742.2000007@subich.com> <0F557ECA-2C7D-49E9-A450-5EA5EFBB424B@elecraft.com> <55553A0D.6010006@sbcglobal.net> <0A769CCF-2011-4314-946D-558C0ED6BFAA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1431866812896-7603098.post@n2.nabble.com> Great! This is one reason I like Elecraft, if bought just about every kit and mod kit and enjoy building and using them. There have been many kit companies in the past, but not always as quality as Elecraft. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KBPF3-Modifications-tp7602818p7603098.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun May 17 09:03:28 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:03:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> References: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555891A0.6090601@nycap.rr.com> * *Per request: * *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* * The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments. The speaker adjustments: bass at 3 o'clock and the treble at 11 o'clock K3 settings (Config Menu): AGC DLY - NORM AGC HLD - 0 AGC PLS - NORM AGC SLP - 4 to 6 (low setting reduces artifacts from the Automatic Notch Filter) AGC THR - 12 AGC F - 120 AGC S - 20 Shift - 1.25 Width - 2.7 RF Gain - 90 (sometimes less) ATT - ON RX EQ 1 -2 2 0 3 +9 4 +12 5 +11 6 +14 7 +7 8 -16 Be sure to read the "Noisy K3" section on http://www.w3fpr.com/ - excellent information! The disclaimer: Your mileage for the above settings may vary - depending upon speaker selection, personal preferences, and your hearing acuity. Note: I made all of my settings by hand, using the K3 menus. I did NOT use K3 EZ as that program will sometimes upset the AGC settings. Bill W2BLC ** From stewart at twinwood.me Sun May 17 09:25:23 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:25:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio could be its biggest selling point In-Reply-To: <2D575BB6ED6641FA94FDD6EC4AF2607D@HPE250f> Message-ID: <2015517142523.407964@Shack> Yes, of course that means only the main DSP board would be changed... I find the headphone audio fine, so the DSP audio amp improvements may be of use. I will wait to see what others who make the change have to say. Then see whether it is worth spending more money to replace a fairly major K3 PCB. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 17 May 2015 08:18:17 -0400, Bruce Beford wrote: > The speaker amp and pre-driver for both channels reside on the main DSP > board. Even with the second RX, you would not have to replace the sub RX DSP > board. > > That said, do you find the headphone audio OK, but the speaker (internal or > via rear jack) objectionable? If you think the headphone audio is sub-par, > then the DSP audio amp improvements will not help you. > > 73, > Bruce N1RX > >> To me the RX audio quality of the K3 has been it's weakest point. Good >> that Elecraft have finally addressed it. However, at what cost ? > >> The thought of having to purchase 2 new DSP boards (one for the 2nd RX) is >> not very appealing... I already brought the small add on filter board in >> the hope that it would improve things (it didn't). From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 09:38:04 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> > No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the > LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. While a peak reading wattmeter like the LPA-100 is a good step, it still does not respond to instantaneous peaks. Most "peak reading" wattmeters will show peak values that vary depending on the PSK31 datastream and never show the true instantaneous peak. > And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. They have to do that or they would be clipping terribly in the final amplifier stage (or in the transmit IF of some poorly aligned rigs). They certainly can't push the rigs to 100W as your tests would imply. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-15 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,5/15/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> The vast majority of amateurs do not have calibrated scopes on the >> output of their transmitter/amplifier to keep the instantaneous peak >> output below the onset of compression in the final stage of power >> amplification. > > No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the > LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. > > And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. As both my > measurements and K6XX measurements clearly show, IMD in the K3 drops > significantly below full power. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n7rjn at nobis.net Sun May 17 09:44:39 2015 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 06:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> Fred, That puts things in proper perspective. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On May 16, 2015, at 22:25, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > > Being hearing impaired ...i.e. almost deaf ... has some advantages. My K3's audio sounds great and always has. I can hear it. > > 73 > > Fred K6DGW > TDY Sparks NV > > Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: >> A former colleague summed it up nicely during a bar conversation about our >> stereo systems: "All audio is just a psycho-acoustic trick." >> >> 73, >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: >> >>> >>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to >>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio >>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a >>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive >>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to >>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 >>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >>> >> >> -- >> Rick Tavan N6XI >> Truckee, CA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From w9ac at arrl.net Sun May 17 10:02:41 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Message-ID: Another question concerning the K3 with RemoteRig... We have two ops for the site. Can we each load our own profiles when the K3-Mini boots up? What we need is for the K3 at the remote site to load the profile from the K3-Mini. Not sure if there?s a memory location within the K3-Mini that allows this data to be exported to the K3. What we don?t want to is to spend ten minutes tinkering our way out of the other op?s favorite settings (e.g., CW sidetone freq, filters, EQ, etc.). A much more detailed K3-Mini operating manual is needed that would answer these time-consuming questions. Again, if this information is published, someone please pass it along. Many Tnx! Paul, W9AC From: Paul Christensen Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:42 AM To: Rick Tavan N6XI Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Rick, thanks for your comments. Regarding question #3: > ?3) Not sure what you want here. You should be able to turn down the volume of the remote K3 with the AF Gain control of the Mini. If that makes the CW sidetone too quiet, there is a control for that in one of the RRC menus; not convenient but at least it's there. Like local mode, the CW sidetone is not adjustable with the AF control when running remote with the K3/K3-Mini/RemoteRig. But that?s not the issue. The issue is that the speaker gain is excessive, picks up significant digital noise, and blasts the CW sidetone regardless of whether the sidetone comes back from the K3 at the remote site (with normal latency), or the locally injected sidetone from RemoteRig. If I access the RemoteRig menu and reduce the sidetone level, then it?s too low when using headphones. The K3-Mini?s receive audio and sidetone is excellent with headphones. The problem is with the gain distribution of only the speaker amp after the K3-Mini?s AF control. It?s as if the speaker amp is running without any negative feedback. Maybe I?m not looking hard enough, but I don?t see a schematic of the K3-Mini on the Elecraft website. So it?s difficult to localize the problem without it. I?ll likely open up a trouble ticket with Elecraft on Monday morning. Paul, W9AC From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 10:03:16 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:03:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <555891A0.6090601@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> <555891A0.6090601@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <55589FA4.4080709@subich.com> Be careful ... With the relatively "gentle" AGC slope (AGC SLP = 4 to 6) and the high levels of EQ "boost" in the midrange is will be very easy to overdrive the speaker amplifier in the K3 - even with the AF Gain low and an auxiliary external amplifier (amplified speakers). A sudden static crash or other strong pulse could damage the amplifier. With shift = 1.25 and width = 2.7, the IF/DSP is configured for a 100 - 2600 Hz response and the RX EQ to provides an additional audio filter set for roughly 150 - 2800 Hz. You would see similar results by setting RX EQ to: 1 (50 Hz) -16 2 (100 Hz) -16 3 (200 Hz) - 6 4 (400 Hz) - 2 5 (800 Hz) - 3 6 (1600 Hz) 0 7 (2400 Hz) - 6 8 (3200 Hz) -16 and not stress the K3 audio amplifier nearly as much. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-17 9:03 AM, Bill wrote: > * > > *Per request: > * > > *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy on 160/75/40 meters:* > > * > > The following are the settings I am using on 40, 75, 160 for armchair > copy (meaning very reduced hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes > through amplified Behringer studio speakers with bass/treble adjustments. > > The speaker adjustments: bass at 3 o'clock and the treble at 11 o'clock > > K3 settings (Config Menu): > AGC DLY - NORM > AGC HLD - 0 > AGC PLS - NORM > AGC SLP - 4 to 6 (low setting reduces artifacts from the Automatic > Notch Filter) > AGC THR - 12 > AGC F - 120 > AGC S - 20 > Shift - 1.25 > Width - 2.7 > RF Gain - 90 (sometimes less) > ATT - ON > RX EQ 1 -2 > 2 0 > 3 +9 > 4 +12 > 5 +11 > 6 +14 > 7 +7 > 8 -16 > > Be sure to read the "Noisy K3" section on http://www.w3fpr.com/ - > excellent information! > > The disclaimer: Your mileage for the above settings may vary - > depending upon speaker selection, personal preferences, and your hearing > acuity. > > Note: I made all of my settings by hand, using the K3 menus. I did NOT > use K3 EZ as that program will sometimes upset the AGC settings. > > Bill W2BLC > > ** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From djcarohmer at ntin.net Sun May 17 10:14:27 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:14:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S receive current Message-ID: <5558A243.9020504@ntin.net> Does anyone know the receive current draw for the K3S? Dwayne WV5I From eseeliger at earthlink.net Sun May 17 10:26:45 2015 From: eseeliger at earthlink.net (Edward Seeliger) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig Message-ID: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. Thanks for any help! Edd KD5M Sent from my iPad From pjalley at me.com Sun May 17 10:32:14 2015 From: pjalley at me.com (Philip Alley) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:32:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW and Hand Key Message-ID: <058a5be4-dba9-483a-8d8e-e67aaf7003c7@me.com> I am requesting assistance with 2 issues: 1. I am attempting to connect a straight key to my KX3. It has a mono 3.5 mm plug. It will work plugged in half way. Is there any setting that will work with the mono plug inserted properly or do I need to rewire? 2. I have tried following Fred Cady's directions for "Code Practice" on page 71 of the compact size of his KX3 guide. I am not able to get any decoded characters to display (set to TX THR3) and pretty good sending with straight key,KXPD3 or external paddle . I can get some (unreliable) decoding of received sigs. Any suggestions? Thanks, Phil AA2EA From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun May 17 11:16:23 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:16:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <555891A0.6090601@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557F337.9080803@socal.rr.com> <555891A0.6090601@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5558B0C7.1070508@socal.rr.com> Thanks, Bill! 73, Phil W7OX On 5/17/15 6:03 AM, Bill wrote: > *Menu settings used at W2BLC for armchair copy > on 160/75/40 meters:* > > * > > The following are the settings I am using on 40, > 75, 160 for armchair copy (meaning very reduced > hiss and no ANF warbling). My RX audio goes > through amplified Behringer studio speakers with > bass/treble adjustments. > > The speaker adjustments: bass at 3 o'clock and > the treble at 11 o'clock > > K3 settings (Config Menu): > AGC DLY - NORM > AGC HLD - 0 > AGC PLS - NORM > AGC SLP - 4 to 6 (low setting reduces > artifacts from the Automatic Notch Filter) > AGC THR - 12 > AGC F - 120 > AGC S - 20 > Shift - 1.25 > Width - 2.7 > RF Gain - 90 (sometimes less) > ATT - ON > RX EQ 1 -2 > 2 0 > 3 +9 > 4 +12 > 5 +11 > 6 +14 > 7 +7 > 8 -16 > > Be sure to read the "Noisy K3" section on > http://www.w3fpr.com/ - excellent information! > > The disclaimer: Your mileage for the above > settings may vary - depending upon speaker > selection, personal preferences, and your > hearing acuity. > > Note: I made all of my settings by hand, using > the K3 menus. I did NOT use K3 EZ as that > program will sometimes upset the AGC settings. > > Bill W2BLC > > ** From kh at kh-translation.dk Sun May 17 11:21:10 2015 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:21:10 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004e01d090b5$1b118e00$5134aa00$@kh-translation.dk> Dear Morgan, I remember something about 5 pole filters have to be paired (or what the exact word was) whereas 8 pole filters can be mixed without any further considerations. 73, Kjeld, OZ1CCM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan Bailey, II Sent: 15. maj 2015 18:33 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question Hi all I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. I'm sure I'm missing something here. Thoughts? Thanks 73, Morgan, NS0R. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk From bwruble at gmail.com Sun May 17 11:33:01 2015 From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 11:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> References: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <449651C8-1C29-4346-A0DE-80F468D19AA4@gmail.com> Ancillary question... Has anybody figured out how to use, at the local end, sound card digital modes? I want to run MixW or other sound card programs, and have Olivia or MFSK on USB coming out at the controlled (remote) K3 end. Can it be done? What is the cabling and interface required? Tnx de Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From my iPad > On May 17, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Edward Seeliger wrote: > > How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. > I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. > Thanks for any help! > Edd KD5M > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sun May 17 11:56:13 2015 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 11:56:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings) In-Reply-To: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> References: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> Message-ID: <5558BA1D.6030505@gmail.com> I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.) Picture is at http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/ and the settings are listed in the text. 73, Mike ab3ap > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: > >> >> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to >> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio >> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. >> ... >> >> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a >> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive >> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to >> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 >> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. > > -- > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 12:03:15 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:03:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question In-Reply-To: <004e01d090b5$1b118e00$5134aa00$@kh-translation.dk> References: <004e01d090b5$1b118e00$5134aa00$@kh-translation.dk> Message-ID: <5558BBC3.6030105@subich.com> The 5 pole filters all have a slight frequency offset which varies from filter to filter. *When used for diversity* the filter offsets need to be matched (within 10 Hz) so a single synthesizer can drive both receivers to maintain phase lock. The issue is not critical with the 2.7 KHz filter as modest offsets can be accommodated by setting both for the average. However with the narrow filters a 50 Hz difference in the filter center frequencies can represent a substantial percentage of the filter passband . Fortunately, the issue can be addressed by purchasing both filters at the same time and specifying "frequency matching." 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-17 11:21 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote: > Dear Morgan, > I remember something about 5 pole filters have to be paired (or what the > exact word was) whereas 8 pole filters can be mixed without any further > considerations. > 73, Kjeld, OZ1CCM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan > Bailey, II > Sent: 15. maj 2015 18:33 > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Yet another filter question > > Hi all > > I apologize if this topic has been covered here before. > > I've had my K3 for about a year now, and I'm considering adding another > roofing filter. I currently have the 400 hz 8 pole filter and it has served > me very well, but there were several instances during the 2014 WPX cw > contest as well as 2014 SS where I needed something tighter. I've seen the > filter plots for the 5 pole and 8 pole filters, and while my initial gut > feeling was to go with the 8 pole 250 hz filter, I'm now questioning whether > or not that would be wise. According to the plots, there isn't much > difference between the two filters, and based on this data alone it would > seem that the better choice would be to go with the 200hz 5-pole. > > I'm sure I'm missing something here. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks > > 73, Morgan, NS0R. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 17 12:06:21 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557E0C6.9090301@subich.com> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557E0C6.9090301@subich.com> Message-ID: Joe, Not in some time. But the radio is boxed and on the way to Elecraft. It could be as simple as that, I will let them sort it out and also install the new synth's. I bought my rig second hand, will have them do a full go over. Will advise reflector what they come up with. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. Both of my K3s are dead silent with the AF Gain at zero (fully CCW) and have been since day 1. Certainly no hiss with the AF gain all the way down. Have you done the RF Gain calibration? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > > With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it > is another know to fiddle with. > > My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if they can > "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after audio > spectrum analysis. > > Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > bs usb > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 > > Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio quality > standards. > > If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at > studio quality prices. > > > > Jim Brown wrote: >> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >>> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >>> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? >> >> If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would >> have done so. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> bsusb at k5dkz.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 17 12:08:22 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:08:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <419A93A8-7D80-4DC3-A593-C7E8A8EF6DEE@cox.net> References: <555710E4.5030109@googlemail.com> <1431770959759-7602971.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431774372707-7602973.post@n2.nabble.com> <55574713.2010606@horizon.co.fk> <5557680E.5030507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55576DAD.6050407@aol.com> <5557C3A5.2050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <419A93A8-7D80-4DC3-A593-C7E8A8EF6DEE@cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks, will advise reflector what Elecraft has to say. Rig was purchased used, serial #04900+ and is in a box on the way to Elecraft Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 5:38 PM To: Elecraft Group Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 Same here, no noise whatsoever with the volume control at minimum and that's on both the internal speaker and the powered external speakers (West Mountain Radio CommSpeakers) with the volume control on the external speakers turned up. Jim, W0EB Sent from my iPad > On May 16, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: > > Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. > > Both of my K3s are dead silent with the AF Gain at zero (fully CCW) > and have been since day 1. Certainly no hiss with the AF gain all the > way down. > > Have you done the RF Gain calibration? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 2015-05-16 7:21 PM, jim wrote: >> Just asking for no hiss with the volume control fully CCW. >> >> With the Timewave 599ZX in line with the K3 audio, I get this, but it >> is another know to fiddle with. >> >> My K3 is boxed and going back to Elecraft out of warranty to see if they can >> "fix" my audio problem. Wayne said they would do a before and after audio >> spectrum analysis. >> >> Will post the results from the crew at Elecraft. >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> bs usb >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:33 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 >> >> Communication equipment does not have to be designed to studio >> quality standards. >> >> If you need studio quality sound then buy studio quality equipment at >> studio quality prices. >> >> >> >> Jim Brown wrote: >>>> On Sat,5/16/2015 9:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Do you think the K3 audio is as good as it can get or do you think >>>> that there are some possible mods that might smooth it out a little? >>> >>> If Elecraft could have improved it with a mod or upgrade they would >>> have done so. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> bsusb at k5dkz.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 12:10:33 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings) In-Reply-To: <5558BA1D.6030505@gmail.com> References: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> <5558BA1D.6030505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5558BD79.3040308@subich.com> To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB), there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range. I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-17 11:56 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe > w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the > general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good > results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a > little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm > mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.) > > Picture is at > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/ > > and the settings are listed in the text. > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > >> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: >> >>> >>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to >>> - to >>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio >>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my >>> needs. >>> ... >>> >>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a >>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm >>> receive >>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to >>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say >>> my K3 >>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >> >> -- >> Rick Tavan N6XI >> Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 12:12:01 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <2D56FEED-16D6-4382-889C-5671E37CEEFF@wunderwood.org> References: <2D56FEED-16D6-4382-889C-5671E37CEEFF@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <388956616.525123.1431879121238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I just got a KX3 about 2 weeks ago it's SN is ?high 7000's From: Walter Underwood To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 I think the K3 serial numbers recently crossed 9000. KX3 numbers are over 9000. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 16, 2015, at 6:52 AM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > I bought mine a year ago, and it is in the 8000 range. > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Sat, 2015-05-16 at 03:09 -0700, AD6XY wrote: >> Too early I would say. To me it seems they have concentrated on improving the >> receiver phase noise, which is a very important figure, especially for SSB >> but the rest of the changes don't seem especially ground breaking. Maybe >> that's expected because there isn't so much wrong with the original K3. It >> means though that we won't all feel the need to upgrade our current K3 to >> S-class just yet. >> >> The man made noise levels at HF now mean that further receiver improvements >> are diminishing benefits- i.e. above a certain level, receiver performance >> is no longer the constraint and there is not a lot more a receiver could do, >> even if perfected. >> >> I would really like to see now? is a K3v without all that unnecessary HF >> stuff in there. Something optimised VHF and up and only VHF and up. >> >> What surprised me was the serial number - 10000 and up. I thought they must >> have sold more than 10000 units already. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-vs-K3-tp7602970p7602971.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 17 12:12:27 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: The hiss is always present, even fully CCW audio setting. SSB operation does not even make my top ten list. Life is only heard at bandwidth of 400 Hz or less. ;>) Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:20 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the K3 - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported by others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other aspects and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. I decided to make use of all the various menu settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The Cady book was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and basically found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said the K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings around it - right out of the box. By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to hear what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none have replied to my question on the matter. However, that really doesn't matter much, as I am in no hurry. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 17 12:36:57 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:36:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> Message-ID: <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> Joe, Your logic is still faulty. For my measurements, I set the K3 for 100W, recorded the power measured by the LP-100A, which we both agree can miss some peaks, SO according to your logic, I WAS overdriving the K3. Yet, the measured bandwidth is quite narrow. On Sun,5/17/2015 6:38 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the > > LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. > > While a peak reading wattmeter like the LPA-100 is a good step, it > still does not respond to instantaneous peaks. Most "peak reading" > wattmeters will show peak values that vary depending on the PSK31 > datastream and never show the true instantaneous peak. > > > And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. > > They have to do that or they would be clipping terribly in the final > amplifier stage (or in the transmit IF of some poorly aligned rigs). > They certainly can't push the rigs to 100W as your tests would imply. My measurements clearly show what a K3 does when set to 100W. 73, Jim K9YC > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-15 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Fri,5/15/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> The vast majority of amateurs do not have calibrated scopes on the >>> output of their transmitter/amplifier to keep the instantaneous peak >>> output below the onset of compression in the final stage of power >>> amplification. >> >> No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the >> LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. >> >> And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. As both my >> measurements and K6XX measurements clearly show, IMD in the K3 drops >> significantly below full power. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC From roncerra at earthlink.net Sun May 17 12:46:11 2015 From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:46:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3-PX3 KXPA100 KXAT100 Message-ID: <1431881171861-7603119.post@n2.nabble.com> I am listing my complete factory assembled KX3 setup for sale in order to buy a second K3s with second P3. The KX3 setup was all factory assembled and is a one-owner. It has never been portable; batteries removed after testing. Setup includes KXAT3 internal auto tuner, KXPD3 paddle, and internal charger KXBC3. KX3 Mic the MH3 and Elecraft manual as well as Fred Caddy mini-manual. PX3 is factory assembled. Package includes stands for both KX3 and PX3. Amp and tuner (KXPA100 and KXAT100) both factory assembled as well as KXPACBL cable. All cables included. Original cost was about $3,400. Will sell ONLY as package deal for $2700.00 shipped to lower 48. I will not separate and only selling because I would prefer a second K3 and have no interest in portable work. Package is in mint condition with no issues and has had very little use--which I know is what every seller says but quite true. Please reply off-line and don't ask to separate. Also will not negotiate the price. Thanks. Ron roncerra at 0utlook.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FOR-SALE-KX3-PX3-KXPA100-KXAT100-tp7603119.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun May 17 12:51:00 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:51:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <55589FA4.4080709@subich.com> References: <55589FA4.4080709@subich.com> Message-ID: <5558C6F4.4080307@nycap.rr.com> For Joe: Must be the K3's audio amplifier is a very weak link? Is that what you are saying? I have never experienced what you are describing - then again I do most of my audio boost outside of the K3 and typically run the audio pot at less than 9 o'clock. Perhaps that is why I have had no problems. Thanks, Bill W2BLC K-Line From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 17 12:55:43 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings) In-Reply-To: <5558BD79.3040308@subich.com> References: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> <5558BA1D.6030505@gmail.com> <5558BD79.3040308@subich.com> Message-ID: <5558C80F.8010908@audiosystemsgroup.com> I generally agree with Joe, but go a bit farther. My general recommendations are: Max cut of the three lowest bands, cut the 4th band by 6 dB, and get signal reports. The "right" settings for bands 4 and 8 will vary with the mic and your voice. 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,5/17/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While > the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB), > there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top > of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones > place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range. > > I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB > respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most > of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-17 11:56 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: >> I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe >> w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the >> general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good >> results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a >> little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm >> mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.) >> >> Picture is at >> >> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/ >> >> and the settings are listed in the text. >> >> 73, >> Mike ab3ap >> >>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to >>>> - to >>>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and >>>> audio >>>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my >>>> needs. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I >>>> found a >>>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm >>>> receive >>>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most >>>> pleasing to >>>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say >>>> my K3 >>>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >>> >>> -- >>> Rick Tavan N6XI >>> Truckee, CA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun May 17 12:57:53 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:57:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5558C891.2070902@nycap.rr.com> I just checked to be sure - I do not have any hiss when the audio pot is at minimum, didn't think I did, but thought I'd check anyway. That is in my normal SSB settings Bill W2BLC K-Line From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun May 17 13:05:47 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <5558C891.2070902@nycap.rr.com> References: <5558C891.2070902@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5558CA6B.5010603@nycap.rr.com> I know I am somewhat rabid when it comes to RX signal quality - but.................... It is all in the ear of the beholder!!! Everyone of us has slight to major hearing differences and K3 uses etc. No rig will ever be perfect for everyone. But, the K3, with its many menus and adjustments comes really close. 'specially if you use external speakers - in my case Behringer MS40 pair. Headphones are a whole different topic - which I may decide to explore in the future (probably using something designed for HiFi (old fashioned word)). I am sure the purists will see no need for them - and really so for CW. My ears - my radio - my pleasure ............ and the K3 is a pleasure to use - after you learn how to do so. Bill W2BLC K-Line From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 17 13:21:21 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:21:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings) Message-ID: I use the K9YC settings on TX EQ with a Heil Proset from Elecraft, and I regularly get unsolicited "great audio" comments in SSB contests, and I know it isn't that I have a great voice. :-) I never run more than 10 dB compression. I'd list them here except I'm not at home right now. I have the RX EQ set to look like the response of my hearing aids. They have way more gain than what is possible with the EQ, but it really does help. I don't have any audio artifacts of any kind and the only thing that tires me out is the headphones on my head. K3 S/N 642. 73, Fred, K6DGW TDY Sparks NV Jim Brown wrote: >I generally agree with Joe, but go a bit farther. My general >recommendations are: > >Max cut of the three lowest bands, cut the 4th band by 6 dB, and get >signal reports. The "right" settings for bands 4 and 8 will vary with >the mic and your voice. > >73, Jim K9YC > >On Sun,5/17/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While >> the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB), >> there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top >> of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones >> place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range. >> >> I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB >> respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most >> of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-17 11:56 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: >>> I realize you're talking about receive audio, but a few years ago Joe >>> w4tv recommended SSB transmit settings I thought I'd mention while the >>> general topic is active. I've had good reports when using them and good >>> results working dx. As a result back then I incorporated them into a >>> little EQ program I wrote so that I don't have to relay on memory. (I'm >>> mainly a cw op and some time can elapse between ssb sessions.) >>> >>> Picture is at >>> >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k3eq/ >>> >>> and the settings are listed in the text. >>> >>> 73, >>> Mike ab3ap >>> >>>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bill wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to >>>>> - to >>>>> suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and >>>>> audio >>>>> response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my >>>>> needs. >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I >>>>> found a >>>>> combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm >>>>> receive >>>>> audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most >>>>> pleasing to >>>>> listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say >>>>> my K3 >>>>> has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rick Tavan N6XI >>>> Truckee, CA >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun May 17 14:34:48 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:34:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Adj for good audio Message-ID: <201505171834.t4HIYtK1015782@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I changed the subject line (more appropriate). Thanks to Bill, W2BLC, the most significant setting was turning on ATT while listening to the 20m Elecraft Net this morning. NS7P was running about S-6 and not easy to copy. After ATT was applied he was arm-chair copy -wow! My S-meter read about S-5 on noise before and about S-2 with ATT. But was amazing to see how signals rose out of the noise with ATT applied. I made the other setting adjustments with no apparent change to my ears. I use an old ten-inch National Radio speaker from the 1950's with my K3 which sounds less harsh than the internal K3 speaker. I have a different set of EQ settings which I did not alter. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 17 14:44:12 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 11:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <5558E17C.6070208@coho.net> Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From roncerra at earthlink.net Sun May 17 15:27:00 2015 From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: KX3-PX3 KXPA100 KXAT100 In-Reply-To: <1431881171861-7603119.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431881171861-7603119.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431890820502-7603127.post@n2.nabble.com> The KX3 package for sale may be seen on QRZ.com (KM4VX) below the K3 and K2 radios. Thanks for the quick responses from those Hams lucky enough to be returning from Dayton. Think of this as part of your continuing Moveable Hamfest Feast. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FOR-SALE-KX3-PX3-KXPA100-KXAT100-tp7603119p7603127.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mundschenk55 at msn.com Sun May 17 15:33:45 2015 From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 15:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A vs KAT3 for K3 upgrade Message-ID: Dear Elecraft: I ordered a KAT3 upgrade for my (old fashioned) K3 - 12 days ago - along with a KSYN3A, unaware that the new and improved KAT3A would be available. I had Elecraft hold shipment on everything until the KSYN3A was out of backorder. If the KAT3A is compatible with my K3 (as well as the K3S), then PLEASE send me the KAT3A instead of the KAT3. Thanks, Russ KD4JO From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun May 17 15:45:42 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:45:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A vs KAT3 for K3 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150517144542.944841a7d986bbdcd66098bf@mediacombb.net> Probably should send this email to the order department directly and follow up with a phone call tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the Elecraft order department don't hang out on the reflector, and those employees who do, Eric, Wayne, Lyle, and Alan probably don't handle the orders. On Sun, 17 May 2015 15:33:45 -0400 Russ wrote: > Dear Elecraft: > > I ordered a KAT3 upgrade for my (old fashioned) K3 - 12 days ago - along with a KSYN3A, unaware that the new and improved KAT3A would be available. I had Elecraft hold shipment on everything until the KSYN3A was out of backorder. If the KAT3A is compatible with my K3 (as well as the K3S), then PLEASE send me the KAT3A instead of the KAT3. > > Thanks, Russ KD4JO > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H From nf4l at comcast.net Sun May 17 16:06:35 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:06:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <697612CB-602C-47E5-8983-F6DBF1CA32A3@comcast.net> I'm confused. How is it possible to hear anything with the audio gain knobby fully CCW, or as I like to put it, "off" ? Is the control not going full stop electrically? 73, Mike NF4L > On May 17, 2015, at 12:12 PM, jim wrote: > > The hiss is always present, even fully CCW audio setting. > > SSB operation does not even make my top ten list. > > Life is only heard at bandwidth of 400 Hz or less. ;>) > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:20 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 > > > It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the K3 > - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported by > others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other aspects > and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. > > It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - to > suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and audio > response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. > > I decided to make use of all the various menu settings/changes/selections > afforded by the K3 to get it to produce the audio I wanted. The Cady book > was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. > > I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and basically > found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said the > K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings around it > - right out of the box. > > By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found a > combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm receive > audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most pleasing to > listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I have to say my K3 > has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. > > Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to hear > what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none have > replied to my question on the matter. However, that really doesn't matter > much, as I am in no hurry. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From carl at n8vz.com Sun May 17 16:21:43 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:21:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 In-Reply-To: <002f01d08b2c$c39729b0$4ac57d10$@elecraft.com> References: <554ED775.6040408@n8vz.com> <002f01d08b2c$c39729b0$4ac57d10$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5558F857.6020508@n8vz.com> Thanks very much for the information, Dick. Putting it on the back does seem to make more sense. The clutter you referred to is real. I'm just back from Dayton and I did buy the adapter, but I may not use it too long, not that I look at the layout. -- 73 de Carl, N8VZ > Dick Dievendorff > Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:22 AM > Carl: > > You have a couple of choices: > > The K3 back panel has both a 3.5mm mono microphone jack and a 3.5mm > stereo headphone jack. You might just plug your headset mic and phone > plugs into two jacks on the K3 rear panel without any additional adapter. > > If you prefer a front panel connection, I'd suggest a Heil Sound > AD1-K, which can be purchased at Dayton from Heil Sound (probably in > "Audio Alley"), DX Engineering, HRO, or several other vendors that > stock Heil products. It's normally between $19 and $23. > > http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/hls-ad-1-k > http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003264 > > Heil makes AD-1 for Drake, icom, Kenwood / Elecraft, Ten-Tec, and > Yaesu. They vary by color. You want the RED one. Kenwood and Elecraft > use the same 8-pin Foster connector pin arrangement. Heil lists this > as "Kenwood". > > I find the K3 front panel a bit busy with the AD1-K, a 3.5mm to 1/4" > adapter for the headset, and 1/4" PTT plug/jack combination for a > footswitch. Putting all this on the back panel helps keep things > neater. Sometimes headset cord length becomes an issue, though. > > See also http://heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Carl J?n Denbow > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 8:59 PM > To: 'Elecraft List' > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 > > I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. I > was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my Heil > KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able to use > this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made adapter, > suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be appreciated. > > Tnxs & 73, > > Carl > > Carl J?n Denbow > Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:58 PM > I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. > I was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my > Heil KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able > to use this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made > adapter, suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be > appreciated. > > Tnxs & 73, > > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From carl at n8vz.com Sun May 17 16:32:44 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver install Message-ID: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> Just back from Dayton with my new-to-me, used K3, SN 7561. I'm in the process of installing the KBPF3 and wondered if it is better installed in the sub-receiver (which this unit has), or on the main board for the main receiver. I'd appreciate any quick responses that a knowledgeable ham could make to this inquiry. As I have the K3 open at this point, and would like to finish installing this board ASAP, so I can actually try out the rig for the first time. I decided to install this board and the TCXO that I ordered before making all of the connections to my KAT500 and KPA500, antenna, power, etc. But now I'm suffering from I-need-to-try-out-my-new-rig anxiety as my install is at a screeching halt as I ponder this question. Help please! Tnxs & 73, Carl ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From carl at n8vz.com Sun May 17 16:35:43 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 In-Reply-To: <5558F857.6020508@n8vz.com> References: <554ED775.6040408@n8vz.com> <002f01d08b2c$c39729b0$4ac57d10$@elecraft.com> <5558F857.6020508@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <5558FB9F.1020605@n8vz.com> That obviously should be "now that I look at the layout." not "not"! :-) > Carl J?n Denbow > Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:21 PM > Thanks very much for the information, Dick. Putting it on the back > does seem to make more sense. The clutter you referred to is real. > I'm just back from Dayton and I did buy the adapter, but I may not use > it too long, not that I look at the layout. -- 73 de Carl, N8VZ > > > Dick Dievendorff > Sunday, May 10, 2015 10:22 AM > Carl: > > You have a couple of choices: > > The K3 back panel has both a 3.5mm mono microphone jack and a 3.5mm > stereo headphone jack. You might just plug your headset mic and phone > plugs into two jacks on the K3 rear panel without any additional adapter. > > If you prefer a front panel connection, I'd suggest a Heil Sound > AD1-K, which can be purchased at Dayton from Heil Sound (probably in > "Audio Alley"), DX Engineering, HRO, or several other vendors that > stock Heil products. It's normally between $19 and $23. > > http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/hls-ad-1-k > http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003264 > > Heil makes AD-1 for Drake, icom, Kenwood / Elecraft, Ten-Tec, and > Yaesu. They vary by color. You want the RED one. Kenwood and Elecraft > use the same 8-pin Foster connector pin arrangement. Heil lists this > as "Kenwood". > > I find the K3 front panel a bit busy with the AD1-K, a 3.5mm to 1/4" > adapter for the headset, and 1/4" PTT plug/jack combination for a > footswitch. Putting all this on the back panel helps keep things > neater. Sometimes headset cord length becomes an issue, though. > > See also http://heilsound.com/amateur/dsp-settings/125-all-things-elecraft > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Carl J?n Denbow > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 8:59 PM > To: 'Elecraft List' > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Proset with K3 > > I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. I > was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my Heil > KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able to use > this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made adapter, > suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be appreciated. > > Tnxs & 73, > > Carl > > Carl J?n Denbow > Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:58 PM > I've just purchased a used K3, which I will be picking up at Dayton. > I was wondering if there was an adapter that would allow me to use my > Heil KX3 Proset with the K3. It would certainly be nice to be able > to use this Proset with both rigs. If there is not a ready-made > adapter, suggestions about how to wire up a homebrew variety would be > appreciated. > > Tnxs & 73, > > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From beford at myfairpoint.net Sun May 17 16:43:43 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver Message-ID: <1944A65C7FA34774B52E3BA3CAA27B92@HPE250f> If you only have 1 bpf module, I'd probably install it in the main, I guess. I added a second one for my sub RX later. Opinions will probably run on both sides, but I'd like to hear the arguments one way or the other myself. (not that it really matters to me- as I said, I have it in both positions. -Bruce N1RX K3 #559 (real serial number, not a contest exchange...) From carl at n8vz.com Sun May 17 16:49:10 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver In-Reply-To: <1944A65C7FA34774B52E3BA3CAA27B92@HPE250f> References: <1944A65C7FA34774B52E3BA3CAA27B92@HPE250f> Message-ID: <5558FEC6.3050105@n8vz.com> Thanks, Bruce, for your prompt response. I guess I'll wait for a few minutes and see if anyone has a differing opinion, and if not, go with the main receiver. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > Bruce Beford > Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:43 PM > If you only have 1 bpf module, I'd probably install it in the main, I > guess. > I added a second one for my sub RX later. Opinions will probably run > on both > sides, but I'd like to hear the arguments one way or the other myself. > (not > that it really matters to me- as I said, I have it in both positions. > > -Bruce N1RX > > K3 #559 (real serial number, not a contest exchange...) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From n0evh at sbcglobal.net Sun May 17 17:13:10 2015 From: n0evh at sbcglobal.net (John Watkins) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 21:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The K3s Message-ID: <367774299.595843.1431897190766.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Not all hams can hear the improvement in the 'S', but there are plenty of hams who can.? They are the ones that spend 48 hours in front of a rig in a single contest.? And who could speak better about such matters than Bob Sherwood.? You might find it interesting to listen to the video recorded at Dayton last year called, Contest University at Dayton 2014.? In that talk Bob discusses transceiver capabilities that are essential for the competitive ham.? Five of those items just happen to be on Elecraft's list of improvements in 2015 for the K3. Great when a plan comes together! From softblue at windstream.net Sun May 17 17:22:14 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:22:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX / TX Audio Message-ID: <006c01d090e7$8bcdcd70$a3696850$@windstream.net> Audio suggestions out of context are of little value. "Good Audio," (vocal) both RX and TX vary greatly with type of operation. Good audio for DX stands a good chance of not being so good for extended conversations with long listening periods. Good audio for 'rag chew' may not cut it in competitive DX circumstances. Optimum microphone settings for any mode may and likely will vary quite a bit with the type and particular model of microphone used. Perhaps the same is true on RX equalization AND the full chain of RX audio on the RX end. I'm of a mind that the Bell Curve of preferences can apply to audio profiles. Personal perception may play a role. Many are not highly perceptive of the details of audio. Much known of audio listening may be learned. I think over emphasizing 'subjectivity' often neglects a better understanding and may reflect avoidance of, or inattention to details. 73, Dick - KA5KKT From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun May 17 17:23:26 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver install In-Reply-To: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> References: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> Message-ID: I would install the KBPF3 on the main receiver. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 17 May 2015 16:32:44 -0400, you wrote: >Just back from Dayton with my new-to-me, used K3, SN 7561. I'm in the >process of installing the KBPF3 and wondered if it is better installed >in the sub-receiver (which this unit has), or on the main board for the >main receiver. I'd appreciate any quick responses that a knowledgeable >ham could make to this inquiry. As I have the K3 open at this point, >and would like to finish installing this board ASAP, so I can actually >try out the rig for the first time. I decided to install this board and >the TCXO that I ordered before making all of the connections to my >KAT500 and KPA500, antenna, power, etc. But now I'm suffering from >I-need-to-try-out-my-new-rig anxiety as my install is at a screeching >halt as I ponder this question. Help please! > >Tnxs & 73, > >Carl > >================================================= >Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >17 Coventry Lane >Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > >carl at n8vz.com >www.n8vz.com >EM89wh > >IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > >PSK and JT65 Forever! >================================================= > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun May 17 17:25:04 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 14:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver In-Reply-To: <5558FEC6.3050105@n8vz.com> References: <1944A65C7FA34774B52E3BA3CAA27B92@HPE250f> <5558FEC6.3050105@n8vz.com> Message-ID: My reasoning for this: You'll always have the main receiver enabled but probably not the Sub-Receiver. Few of us run them both 100% of the time. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 17 May 2015 16:49:10 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Bruce, for your prompt response. I guess I'll wait for a few >minutes and see if anyone has a differing opinion, and if not, go with >the main receiver. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > >> Bruce Beford >> Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:43 PM >> If you only have 1 bpf module, I'd probably install it in the main, I >> guess. >> I added a second one for my sub RX later. Opinions will probably run >> on both >> sides, but I'd like to hear the arguments one way or the other myself. >> (not >> that it really matters to me- as I said, I have it in both positions. >> >> -Bruce N1RX >> >> K3 #559 (real serial number, not a contest exchange...) >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 17:30:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Don Putnick via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 21:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} FS: Heil Gold Elite Mic ... Message-ID: <575356062.792766.1431898207393.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ... including CC-1-K cable for Elecraft. $100 including shipping to USA. Used only a couple times; I prefer my Heil headset. Please contact me off list, Thanks much! 73 Don NA6ZK3, KAT500, KPA500 From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 17:36:33 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:36:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver install In-Reply-To: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> References: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <555909E1.1040409@subich.com> It really depends on how you intend to use the General Coverage capability. If you will be using it as a "primary" function - WWV, SW listening, etc. while not otherwise operating the rig (transmitting), put the BPF3 on the main receiver. If you intend to use the general coverage capability as a secondary function - e.g. listening to AM broadcast, listening to 472 KHz and 137 KHz, listening to other bands/SWL while operating with the main part of the rig, put the BPF3 in the Sub RX and configure the Sub RX to use the "AUX" antenna port with a separate antenna for general coverage listening. Like Bruce, I ended up with a BPF3 in *both* of my receivers for maximum flexibility. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-17 4:32 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > Just back from Dayton with my new-to-me, used K3, SN 7561. I'm in the > process of installing the KBPF3 and wondered if it is better installed > in the sub-receiver (which this unit has), or on the main board for the > main receiver. I'd appreciate any quick responses that a knowledgeable > ham could make to this inquiry. As I have the K3 open at this point, > and would like to finish installing this board ASAP, so I can actually > try out the rig for the first time. I decided to install this board and > the TCXO that I ordered before making all of the connections to my > KAT500 and KPA500, antenna, power, etc. But now I'm suffering from > I-need-to-try-out-my-new-rig anxiety as my install is at a screeching > halt as I ponder this question. Help please! > > Tnxs & 73, > > Carl > > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From w1ie at jetbroadband.com Sun May 17 18:34:29 2015 From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 15:34:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention Message-ID: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello all, My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered a KX3 at "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. Police have been informed and a report has been made. Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to call me at 540-583-0475. You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police department at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. Thank you very much, Best regards, Jerry, W1IE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun May 17 18:45:18 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:45:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A vs KAT3 for K3 upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E240163-BC80-454F-ACDF-66742110BD6D@elecraft.com> Hi Russ, I just emailed the customer support team about this. I'm sure they'll be able to get you a KAT3A. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 17, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Russ wrote: > > > > > Dear Elecraft: > > I ordered a KAT3 upgrade for my (old fashioned) K3 - 12 days ago - along with a KSYN3A, unaware that the new and improved KAT3A would be available. I had Elecraft hold shipment on everything until the KSYN3A was out of backorder. If the KAT3A is compatible with my K3 (as well as the K3S), then PLEASE send me the KAT3A instead of the KAT3. > > Thanks, Russ KD4JO > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From beford at myfairpoint.net Sun May 17 18:48:25 2015 From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:48:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver In-Reply-To: References: <1944A65C7FA34774B52E3BA3CAA27B92@HPE250f> <5558FEC6.3050105@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <762BED9254CF4BF0A74DF41AA2776578@HPE250f> Agreed. Perhaps another argument for placing it in the main RX, as The sub RX has to be removed to install it. Best to get that out of the way while you have it open... If you add a second one later, in the subRX, that module would need to be pulled to install the BPF3 in it. Also, with the (potential) new allocations for 137 and 475 KHz, these may well become "main band" RX/TX functions in the future. (Of course, the filter mods currently being beta-tested will need to be installed, and some form of outboard TXPA driven by the transverter interface added for those bands to get the full benefit...) 73, Bruce N1RX -----Original Message----- From: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:25 PM To: Carl J?n Denbow Cc: Bruce Beford; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver My reasoning for this: You'll always have the main receiver enabled but probably not the Sub-Receiver. Few of us run them both 100% of the time. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 17 May 2015 16:49:10 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Bruce, for your prompt response. I guess I'll wait for a few >minutes and see if anyone has a differing opinion, and if not, go with >the main receiver. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > >> Bruce Beford >> Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:43 PM >> If you only have 1 bpf module, I'd probably install it in the main, I >> guess. >> I added a second one for my sub RX later. Opinions will probably run >> on both >> sides, but I'd like to hear the arguments one way or the other myself. >> (not >> that it really matters to me- as I said, I have it in both positions. >> >> -Bruce N1RX >> >> K3 #559 (real serial number, not a contest exchange...) >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to carl at n8vz.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun May 17 18:49:26 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:49:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S receive current In-Reply-To: <5558A243.9020504@ntin.net> References: <5558A243.9020504@ntin.net> Message-ID: <5950E9D6-D060-4F8D-989E-E95F03B7B6FA@elecraft.com> About the same as a K3 for a given configuration. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > > Does anyone know the receive current draw for the K3S? > > Dwayne WV5I > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From kb9bvn at gmail.com Sun May 17 18:50:57 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> Jerry can you post the serial number? On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: > Hello all, > > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my > automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered a KX3 at > "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. > > Police have been informed and a report has been made. > > Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to > call me at 540-583-0475. > > You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police department > at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. > > Thank you very much, > > Best regards, > > > Jerry, W1IE > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 17 19:00:08 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55591D78.1000706@coho.net> "KX3 S/N 1516" is sufficient to learn his SN. Kevin. KD5ONS On 5/17/2015 3:50 PM, Brian wrote: > Jerry can you post the serial number? > > > > On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my >> automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered a >> KX3 at >> "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. >> >> Police have been informed and a report has been made. >> >> Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to >> call me at 540-583-0475. >> >> You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police >> department >> at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. >> >> Thank you very much, >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Jerry, W1IE >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun May 17 19:00:41 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:00:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Note that the KX3's serial number may be displayed by selecting MENU:SER NUM. Could be useful to confirm it's Jerry's, in case it's found or put on sale (look on eBay). The internal storage of the serial number cannot be easily changed, but look out for those being "less than candid" about serial number prior to buying on the Internet markets. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 17 May 2015 18:50:57 -0400, you wrote: >Jerry can you post the serial number? > > > >On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my >> automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered a KX3 at >> "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. >> >> Police have been informed and a report has been made. >> >> Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to >> call me at 540-583-0475. >> >> You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police department >> at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. >> >> Thank you very much, >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Jerry, W1IE >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 19:29:02 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 23:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> References: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204191778.828273.1431905342988.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> He did post the Serial Number. >>>> > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my > automobile Saturday. <<<< ((((73)))) Milverton. From: Brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention Jerry can you post the serial number? On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: > Hello all, > > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my > automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered a KX3 at > "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. > > Police have been informed and a report has been made. > > Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to > call me at 540-583-0475. > > You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police department > at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. > > Thank you very much, > > Best regards, > > > Jerry, W1IE > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From kb9bvn at gmail.com Sun May 17 19:32:44 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 19:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <55591D78.1000706@coho.net> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> <55591D78.1000706@coho.net> Message-ID: <5559251C.1030204@gmail.com> Oh wow...thanks! I must have missed it. Thanks for the help! 73 de KB9BVN On 5/17/2015 7:00 PM, kevinr at coho.net wrote: > "KX3 S/N 1516" is sufficient to learn his SN. > Kevin. KD5ONS > > On 5/17/2015 3:50 PM, Brian wrote: >> Jerry can you post the serial number? >> >> >> >> On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out >>> of my >>> automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered >>> a KX3 at >>> "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. >>> >>> Police have been informed and a report has been made. >>> >>> Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask >>> you to >>> call me at 540-583-0475. >>> >>> You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police >>> department >>> at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. Reference Case # TR15-3073. >>> >>> Thank you very much, >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> Jerry, W1IE >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > . > From kb9bvn at gmail.com Sun May 17 19:35:03 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 19:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1204191778.828273.1431905342988.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <55591B51.8050107@gmail.com> <1204191778.828273.1431905342988.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555925A7.4000007@gmail.com> Oh wow another helpful ham! This list is awesome. Thanks also to you as well. I must have skimmed over it when I read it the first time. 73 de KB9BVN Brian On 5/17/2015 7:29 PM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote: > He did post the Serial Number. > > >>>> > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen > out of my > > automobile Saturday. <<<< > > ((((73)))) Milverton. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Brian > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Sent:* Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention > > Jerry can you post the serial number? > > > > On 5/17/2015 6:34 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of my > > automobile Saturday. Please keep it in mind as you might be offered > a KX3 at > > "bargain prices" in your travels thoughout the internet. > > > > Police have been informed and a report has been made. > > > > Rather then use e-mail in the event of a possible lead, may I ask you to > > call me at 540-583-0475. > > > > You may also call Officer Elise Law at the Trotwood Ohio Police > department > > at 937-837-7771 or email elaw at trotwood.org. > Reference Case # TR15-3073. > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Jerry, W1IE > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > From w1ie at jetbroadband.com Sun May 17 20:25:30 2015 From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:25:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431908730994-7603152.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello all, The serial number that I earlier post for the stolen KX3 is in error. I will have the correct number tomorrow when Elecraft opens for business at which time, I will post it then. Thanks again, Best regards, Jerry, W1IE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603142p7603152.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 20:26:16 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver install In-Reply-To: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> References: <5558FAEC.5030206@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <1311682004.668238.1431908776774.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would put in in the Main if I only had one I also have the sub receiver so I put one in each From: Carl J?n Denbow To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 4:32 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver install Just back from Dayton with my new-to-me, used K3, SN 7561.? I'm in the process of installing the KBPF3 and wondered if it is better installed in the? sub-receiver (which this unit has), or on the main board for the main receiver.? I'd appreciate any quick responses that a knowledgeable ham could make to this inquiry.? As I have the K3 open at this point, and would like to finish installing this board ASAP, so I can actually try out the rig for the first time.? I decided to install this board and the TCXO that I ordered before making all of the connections to my KAT500 and KPA500, antenna,? power, etc.? But now I'm suffering from I-need-to-try-out-my-new-rig anxiety as my install is at a screeching halt as I ponder this question. Help please! Tnxs & 73, Carl ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533? Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun May 17 20:27:39 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 16:27:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver Message-ID: <201505180027.t4I0Rdgf020563@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Another vote for the main Rx: I ordered the KBPF3 with my radio in 2010 and installed it in the main Rx. I am on 600m already so it made sense to me to have it in the main Rx. I didn't install one in the KRX3, which I also part of my original order, as I expected to only use it for diversity reception on eme which does not use the KPBF3. Therefore, I will modify my KPBF3 when I order and install the two Synth boards. Main purpose for getting the Synth boards is to be able to operate on 630m (472-479-KHz). Of course it will help all reception. I will be interested to see if this will lower the level I can decode JT65 signals (typ -28 is lowest). Sorry, I drifted off topic. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ae6rr2004 at gmail.com Sun May 17 20:36:02 2015 From: ae6rr2004 at gmail.com (Craig-AE6RR) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:36:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver In-Reply-To: <201505180027.t4I0Rdgf020563@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201505180027.t4I0Rdgf020563@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <003a01d09102$9efe1c40$dcfa54c0$@gmail.com> I would also vote for main as I prefer to tune with the BIG knob. The Sub knob is too crowded for my fat fingers and I frequently bump the RIT/XIT knob causing undesired effects. 73, - Craig, AE6RR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:28 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver Another vote for the main Rx: I ordered the KBPF3 with my radio in 2010 and installed it in the main Rx. I am on 600m already so it made sense to me to have it in the main Rx. I didn't install one in the KRX3, which I also part of my original order, as I expected to only use it for diversity reception on eme which does not use the KPBF3. Therefore, I will modify my KPBF3 when I order and install the two Synth boards. Main purpose for getting the Synth boards is to be able to operate on 630m (472-479-KHz). Of course it will help all reception. I will be interested to see if this will lower the level I can decode JT65 signals (typ -28 is lowest). Sorry, I drifted off topic. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ae6rr2004 at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 20:54:19 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Message-ID: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to ensure an item is not stolen. Is there such a thing? From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun May 17 20:58:52 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 17:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24eilapkvk7m2ei6fvvbvau6meiag35ibi@4ax.com> I'm sure the company knows, and has a record of, the original buyer-owner in a database. But that doesn't help when the original owner sells his KX3. I've been thinking on this too. I feel Jerry's pain. It's pretty rough. 73! matt W6NIA On Mon, 18 May 2015 00:54:19 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: >Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to ensure an item is not stolen. > >Is there such a thing? > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun May 17 21:11:21 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 19:11:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <24eilapkvk7m2ei6fvvbvau6meiag35ibi@4ax.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <24eilapkvk7m2ei6fvvbvau6meiag35ibi@4ax.com> Message-ID: It doesn't help the anger but at least insurance will cover the loss ... mine (Allstate) would, anyway. 73 Ken - K0PP On May 17, 2015 6:59 PM, "Matt Zilmer" wrote: > I'm sure the company knows, and has a record of, the original > buyer-owner in a database. But that doesn't help when the original > owner sells his KX3. > > I've been thinking on this too. I feel Jerry's pain. It's pretty > rough. > > 73! > matt > W6NIA > > On Mon, 18 May 2015 00:54:19 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: > > >Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or > somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to > ensure an item is not stolen. > > > >Is there such a thing? > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > -- > "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sun May 17 21:16:44 2015 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 21:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 (W4TV tx settings) In-Reply-To: <5558C80F.8010908@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0ED14BB1-76D0-4BBA-AFBF-ED4114532710@nobis.net> <5558BA1D.6030505@gmail.com> <5558BD79.3040308@subich.com> <5558C80F.8010908@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55593D7C.80803@gmail.com> Thanks, Jim k9yc and Joe w4tv. I've updated the program so that there are now two presets, one for each of your calls and with your recommended settings (note Jim's advice that bands 4 and 8 should be set using on air reports): http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/ Click on K3EQ for more info or download the zip file to run the Java executables. 73, Mike ab3ap On 05/17/2015 12:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > I generally agree with Joe, but go a bit farther. My general > recommendations are: > > Max cut of the three lowest bands, cut the 4th band by 6 dB, and get > signal reports. The "right" settings for bands 4 and 8 will vary with > the mic and your voice. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Sun,5/17/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> To be rigorous, the 3200 Hz setting should probably be +6dB. While >> the K3 does not normally pass 3200 Hz (unless one is using ESSB), >> there is some value in continuing the pre-emphasis through the top >> of the transmit passband. Most quality communications microphones >> place their passband peak in the 3000 - 3500 Hz range. >> >> I also recommend the 100 and 200 Hz values be doubled to -12 and -6 dB >> respectively. The low frequency component of transmit audio uses most >> of the power and contributes the least to intelligibility. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV From carl at n8vz.com Sun May 17 21:27:56 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 21:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3 General Coverage Receiver -- Main or Subreceiver In-Reply-To: <003a01d09102$9efe1c40$dcfa54c0$@gmail.com> References: <201505180027.t4I0Rdgf020563@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <003a01d09102$9efe1c40$dcfa54c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5559401C.60204@n8vz.com> Thanks to everyone who responded to my query -- both on and off the list. My hand has actually been forced a little on this issue, as the KRX3 had a bad female TMP connection. It appeared distorted in shape when I tried to replace the male connector. I then took the cover off the KRX3 and discovered that the TMP female in question had never been installed correctly and was actually a clear open. Some other aspects of the board looked questionable to me, so I'm going to return it to Elecraft for a repair and complete checkout. So far, everything else in the rig seems to check out OK, though I haven't finished the shakedown cruise yet. I'm also going to contact the seller and see if he'll pay for the Elecraft repair. The unit was advertised on QTH.com as being in excellent working and cosmetic condition. The one board seems to have been otherwise, as I do not see how the second receiver could have worked with all of its functions with one TMP coaxial connector basically MIA. 73, Carl ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From jbollit at outlook.com Sun May 17 21:52:27 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 In-Reply-To: <697612CB-602C-47E5-8983-F6DBF1CA32A3@comcast.net> References: <5557D39A.2070309@k5dkz.com> <5557ECC3.6040909@nycap.rr.com> <697612CB-602C-47E5-8983-F6DBF1CA32A3@comcast.net> Message-ID: All you hear is a high freq noise and it is there at any setting, but by turning the AF knob fully CCW, it eliminates any noise generated by "upstream" circuits. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Reublin NF4L Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 1:07 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 I'm confused. How is it possible to hear anything with the audio gain knobby fully CCW, or as I like to put it, "off" ? Is the control not going full stop electrically? 73, Mike NF4L > On May 17, 2015, at 12:12 PM, jim wrote: > > The hiss is always present, even fully CCW audio setting. > > SSB operation does not even make my top ten list. > > Life is only heard at bandwidth of 400 Hz or less. ;>) > > Jim > W6AIM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Bill > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 6:20 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S vs. K3 > > > It is a fact that out of the box, many rigs do sound better than the > K3 > - warmer and richer audio. That was my experience and is also reported > by others. However, these rigs are not equals to the K3 in most other > aspects and have no K-Line of supporting equipment available. > > It took me a long time to get the K3 sounding the way I wanted it to - > to suit my needs of armchair copy on 40/75/160 for rag chew. Hiss and > audio response were both a problem, making my K3 less than desirable for my needs. > > I decided to make use of all the various menu > settings/changes/selections afforded by the K3 to get it to produce > the audio I wanted. The Cady book was a help in understanding what the various settings do and why they do it. > > I dogged and dogged the problems and menus. I asked for help and > basically found I was in this by myself - other reflector users said > the > K3 sounded wonderful. To me, it did not. My TS480 ran audio rings > around it > - right out of the box. > > By trial and error - and keeping careful notes - I eventually I found > a combo of settings that work for me. My K3 now provides rich warm > receive audio via a pair of Behringer amplified speakers and is most > pleasing to listen to for hours at a time. Having said all this - I > have to say my K3 has excellent receive audio. I just had to dig to get to it. > > Now, will I get the new synth? I don't know yet. I will first need to > hear what experiences other K3 users are having with it. So far, none > have replied to my question on the matter. However, that really > doesn't matter much, as I am in no hurry. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > nf4l at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From lists at subich.com Sun May 17 22:29:24 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 22:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> > For my measurements, I set the K3 for 100W, recorded the power > measured by the LP-100A, which we both agree can miss some peaks, SO > according to your logic, I WAS overdriving the K3. Yes, you were probably over driving the K3 (KPA3). You can estimate the amount of overdrive by using the the LP-100A Peak to Average function. With PSK31 "idle", the LP-100A shows the following: K3 Power setting CW Power Peak Average Peak to average 20W 20.6W 19.5W 7.5W 4.2 dB 30W 31.4W 29.8W 11.8W 4.0 dB 40W 40.2W 39.2W 15.7W 3.9 dB 50W 50.2W 49.1W 19.8W 3.9 dB 60W 57.7W 58.4W 24.0W 3.8 dB 70W 66.8W 66.2W 28.7W 3.6 dB 80W 75.0W 75.9W 33.1W 3.6 dB 90W 84.6W 83.7W 38.2W 3.4 dB 100W 97.0W 93.3W 43.6W 3.3 dB 110W 103.0W 102.4W 50.2W 3.0 dB The "CW" power is an unmodulated PSK31 subcarrier. Peak and Average are measured by the LP-100A. Note that the Peak to Average only drops 1 dB from 20W to 100W (1dB compression) for the PSK31 idle and the average power stays below 50W so while you are over driving the KPA3, you're not seriously over driving at the 100W (peak) level with PSK. At least with a stiff 13.8V supply the KPA3 does not seem to reach 1 dB compression until almost 100W (peak) output. In addition, with PSK31 the 3rd order products are only +/- 45 Hz from the "carrier", the fifth only +/- 77 Hz, seventh only +/- 108 Hz, etc. - you are not going to measure a lot of width until the distortion is bad enough to generate really high order products. Don't try this with the ALC systems in some other rigs - the excess gain in their IF stages will make a mess well before 100W peak out. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-17 12:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Joe, > > Your logic is still faulty. > > For my measurements, I set the K3 for 100W, recorded the power measured > by the LP-100A, which we both agree can miss some peaks, SO according to > your logic, I WAS overdriving the K3. Yet, the measured bandwidth is > quite narrow. > > On Sun,5/17/2015 6:38 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> > No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the >> > LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. >> >> While a peak reading wattmeter like the LPA-100 is a good step, it >> still does not respond to instantaneous peaks. Most "peak reading" >> wattmeters will show peak values that vary depending on the PSK31 >> datastream and never show the true instantaneous peak. >> >> > And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. >> >> They have to do that or they would be clipping terribly in the final >> amplifier stage (or in the transmit IF of some poorly aligned rigs). >> They certainly can't push the rigs to 100W as your tests would imply. > > My measurements clearly show what a K3 does when set to 100W. > > 73, Jim K9YC >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-15 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On Fri,5/15/2015 9:10 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> The vast majority of amateurs do not have calibrated scopes on the >>>> output of their transmitter/amplifier to keep the instantaneous peak >>>> output below the onset of compression in the final stage of power >>>> amplification. >>> >>> No, but they/we can put a calibrated peak-reading wattmeter like the >>> LP-100A in line with the feed to our antennas. >>> >>> And last I looked, few hams run much power with PSK-31. As both my >>> measurements and K6XX measurements clearly show, IMD in the K3 drops >>> significantly below full power. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dhdial at att.net Sun May 17 22:53:31 2015 From: dhdial at att.net (David Dial) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 02:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 microphone adaptor Message-ID: <1604668234.743373.1431917611974.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if there is an adaptor available to connect an Icom microphone with PTT such as an Icom SM-30 with an 8-pin connector to the KX3's 3.5mm microphone jack?Thank you,Dave, K5ADL From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 17 23:24:27 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KE0AFG via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 20:24:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 Message-ID: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> can't get my iMac to KX3 (or KX3 won't respond, RX I/Q is on) 20:50:45 Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 20:50:45 OS X Version 10.8.5 Mountain Lion 20:50:46 KX3 is not responding. using FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_18-2.dmg D2XX0.1.7.dmg I'm trying to update KX3 firmware from 1.87 to 2.33 Any suggestions or help? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon May 18 02:41:08 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 23:41:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 In-Reply-To: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Are you using the Elecraft USB to serial cable? Can the utility find the serial port in the "Port" tab? Is the plug all the way into the jack on the KX3? Are you using the correct jack? (Getting desparte here.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/17/15 at 8:24 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KE0AFG via Elecraft) wrote: > > 20:50:45 Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 > 20:50:45 OS X Version 10.8.5 Mountain Lion > 20:50:46 KX3 is not responding. > using FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_18-2.dmg > D2XX0.1.7.dmg > I'm trying to update KX3 firmware from 1.87 to 2.33 > > Any suggestions or help? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher From fptownsend at earthlink.net Mon May 18 03:12:41 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:12:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question Message-ID: <32851600.1431933162147.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I agree the connector is defined with RS232c as well as connectors for USB, Firewire, HPIB aka IEEE488, and SCSI III. The DB25 connector was around before RS232 was written. DB 25s were also used by IBM PC for the parallel and RS232 ports and by Apple for SCSI I & II. IBM later used the DA9 for serial while continuing to use the DB25 on the AT parallel port. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Jack Brindle >Sent: May 14, 2015 10:17 PM >To: Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question > >Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. >There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually >leaving out a few handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet >the spec requirements. > >RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. > >- JackB, W6FB > >> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >> >> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >> >> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 18 03:26:43 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> Message-ID: <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,5/17/2015 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Yes, you were probably over driving the K3 (KPA3). You can estimate > the amount of overdrive by using the the LP-100A Peak to Average > function. With PSK31 "idle", the LP-100A shows the following: Perhaps, BUT -- look at the data for 100W, 93W, 50W. and 29W. The 100W and 93W data clearly shows IMD at levels corresponding to 2-tone data, the difference between 100W and 93W is 4 dB, and at 50W almost no IMD is visible (there are sidebands +/- 360 Hz 60 dB down). 50W gets a legal limit amp to full power. At 30W, which gets the KPA500 to full power, sidebands at about +/- 50 Hz are barely visible, there are -63 dBc sidebands at about +/- 360 Hz. But let's return to the real world issue -- QRM as the result of excessive occupied bandwidth. The K3 I measured is 105 Hz wide at -40 dBC at 29W, 110 Hz at 50W. At -60 dBC, it's 340 Hz at 29W and 720 Hz at 50W. Given that the vast majority of PSK31 ops work below 50W and that 50W to a power amp will get you to 1500W, your concerns simply do not make sense in the real world. 73, Jim K9YC From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Mon May 18 03:33:44 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:33:44 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1431908730994-7603152.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431908730994-7603152.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sorry to hear of your loss, Jerry. You will probably find the serial number written on the Elecraft invoice for your KX3. Mine was. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Jerry writes >Hello all, > >The serial number that I earlier post for the stolen KX3 is in error. I will >have the correct number tomorrow when Elecraft opens for business at which >time, I will post it then. > >Thanks again, > >Best regards, >Jerry, W1IE -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Mon May 18 04:32:29 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:32:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft writes >Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >(or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >check to ensure an item is not stolen. > >Is there such a thing? Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Mon May 18 06:24:28 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:24:28 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why not a $1k portable radio? I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) 72 Dom M1KTA On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft > writes >> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >> >> Is there such a thing? > Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at > http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html > > However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners > not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record > enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. > > 73 de David G4DMP > From indians at xsmail.com Mon May 18 07:07:10 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 04:07:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 KAT1 ATU is ending w/P L O Message-ID: <1431947230818-7603171.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I am sorry to bother you over here... My daddy Jul, OK1SP is using intensively K1 these days (until his K2 light repairing will be finished by myself) and he reported to me last week that his K1 is showing P L O after KAT1 tunning sequence on some bands. I found this info in manual "If you see P L O on the display during any mode that should display SWR, you probably have power set too low to obtain a stable SWR reading. Power is automatically reduced to 1.5 watts in all SWR-reading modes, so there?s usually no need to set power below this level manually, unless you?re operating ?QRPp? (very low power). In this case, set the power to about 1 to 2 watts for tune-up purposes, then decrease it for operation." The problem is that power is set to 5-7W all the time. It appears just time to time even although there is no change in antennas setup, feed line etc. The antenna is 18m random wire at 15m height, as good as possible grounding using copper strip house/earth ground, 9:1 balun is used. The feed line is around 1m of good soldered coaxial cable w/BNCs. It is appeared after much longer tunning sequence than normal... I will be happy for ideas. 73 - Petr, OK1RP K3 #778 K2 #4800 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-KAT1-ATU-is-ending-w-P-L-O-tp7603171.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldermant at windstream.net Mon May 18 07:37:21 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:37:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> Hi Dom, In my opinion, NO! We have a pass word for just about everything now days and adding one for ham radio gear is not needed! If one carries their radio around with them, perhaps they need to be more responsible in making sure it is not left in an attractive area where it can get stolen. You have some 700,000 hams that do not carry their radios with them, so why punish the majority in an attempt to protect the minority of folks who do carry their radio out with them? Good suggestion but maybe needs some more thought of the overall impact? 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dominic Baines Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why not a $1k portable radio? I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) 72 Dom M1KTA On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft > writes >> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >> >> Is there such a thing? > Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at > http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html > > However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners > not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record > enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. > > 73 de David G4DMP > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From ray.fallen at gmail.com Mon May 18 07:44:53 2015 From: ray.fallen at gmail.com (Ray Fallen) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:44:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Message-ID: "Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this view." Ummm...the price didn't change. What actually happened is that Wayne and Eric and the boys added significant improvements to their core product AND didn't leave those that brought them to the dance holding their schmekels. For example...the new KSYNTH3A wasn't a "minor improvement"...it was a game changer. But don't take my word for it...God knows I'm not too bright. Just take a look at Rob Sherwood's analysis. You want "exciting new products"...which are generally the same old stuff in shiny, much more expensive, new boxes? Go to Ken-Yae-Com...and bring your credit card. I believe a lot more folks share my view. Which probably explains why Elecraft can sell their hats and Yaesu has to give theirs away. :) Oh crap, I just re-opened another can of worms. 73, Ray - ND8L K3 #6503 KPA500 #1907 From kb9bvn at gmail.com Mon May 18 07:53:56 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:53:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <5559D2D4.1080000@gmail.com> They can make the password protection optional in firmware. Users that want it, can use it, users that don't want it, can leave it disabled. Would that be better? On 5/18/2015 7:37 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Hi Dom, > > In my opinion, NO! We have a pass word for just about everything now days > and adding one for ham radio gear is not needed! If one carries their radio > around with them, perhaps they need to be more responsible in making sure it > is not left in an attractive area where it can get stolen. You have some > 700,000 hams that do not carry their radios with them, so why punish the > majority in an attempt to protect the minority of folks who do carry their > radio out with them? > > Good suggestion but maybe needs some more thought of the overall impact? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Dominic Baines > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it > asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to > set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains > locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure > the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why > not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were > returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? > And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > > On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: >> In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft >> writes >>> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >>> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >>> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >>> >>> Is there such a thing? >> Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at >> http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html >> >> However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners >> not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record >> enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Mon May 18 07:54:30 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 04:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1431950070.8450.91.camel@nostromo.nk7z> What? I got a free hat with my K3... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 07:44 -0400, Ray Fallen wrote: > "Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and > repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't > impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this > view." > > Ummm...the price didn't change. What actually happened is that Wayne and > Eric and the boys added significant > improvements to their core product AND didn't leave those that brought them > to the dance holding their schmekels. > > For example...the new KSYNTH3A wasn't a "minor improvement"...it was a game > changer. > But don't take my word for it...God knows I'm not too bright. Just take a > look at Rob Sherwood's analysis. > > You want "exciting new products"...which are generally the same old stuff > in shiny, much more expensive, new boxes? > Go to Ken-Yae-Com...and bring your credit card. > > I believe a lot more folks share my view. > > Which probably explains why Elecraft can sell their hats and Yaesu has to > give theirs away. :) > > Oh crap, I just re-opened another can of worms. > > 73, Ray - ND8L > K3 #6503 > KPA500 #1907 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From bill at wjschmidt.com Mon May 18 07:59:44 2015 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 06:59:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <98B4C2B4-9FA9-492C-9444-5D6FAFA38587@wjschmidt.com> Nice idea! Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill at wjschmidt.com > On May 18, 2015, at 5:24 AM, Dominic Baines wrote: > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > >> On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: >> In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft >> writes >>> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >>> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >>> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >>> >>> Is there such a thing? >> Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at >> http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html >> >> However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners >> not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record >> enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From jlbates4 at gmail.com Mon May 18 08:02:20 2015 From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 05:02:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 In-Reply-To: References: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: All is well... I had to remove the batteries from the KX3 and perform a manual reload of the FW. All good once that was done... Thanks for replying. -- Jim Bates mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Bill Frantz [via Elecraft] < ml-node+s365791n7603165h59 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > Are you using the Elecraft USB to serial cable? > > Can the utility find the serial port in the "Port" tab? > > Is the plug all the way into the jack on the KX3? > > Are you using the correct jack? (Getting desparte here.) > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 5/17/15 at 8:24 PM, [hidden email] > (KE0AFG via > Elecraft) wrote: > > > > > 20:50:45 Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 > > 20:50:45 OS X Version 10.8.5 Mountain Lion > > 20:50:46 KX3 is not responding. > > using FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_18-2.dmg > > D2XX0.1.7.dmg > > I'm trying to update KX3 firmware from 1.87 to 2.33 > > > > Any suggestions or help? > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the > 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", > but > www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164p7603165.html > To start a new topic under [KX3], email > ml-node+s365791n6380738h22 at n2.nabble.com > To unsubscribe from [KX3], click here > > . > NAML > > ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164p7603177.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Mon May 18 08:40:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:40:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> > 50W gets a legal limit amp to full power. Only with some solid state a and ceramic tube amplifiers. Many of the glass tube amplifiers need every one of the 100Wto reach 1500W PEP output. > Given that the vast majority of PSK31 ops work below 50W and that 50W > to a power amp will get you to 1500W, your concerns simply do not > make sense in the real world. You are extrapolating the behavior of the K3 with its open loop ALC and reasonably behaved KPA3 to other rigs. The results would be very different if you were pushing a "12V" Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu rig. All of this still requires the user understand the concept of "crest factor" and use a wattmeter that properly indicates peak power. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-18 3:26 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,5/17/2015 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> Yes, you were probably over driving the K3 (KPA3). You can estimate >> the amount of overdrive by using the the LP-100A Peak to Average >> function. With PSK31 "idle", the LP-100A shows the following: > > Perhaps, BUT -- look at the data for 100W, 93W, 50W. and 29W. The 100W > and 93W data clearly shows IMD at levels corresponding to 2-tone data, > the difference between 100W and 93W is 4 dB, and at 50W almost no IMD is > visible (there are sidebands +/- 360 Hz 60 dB down). 50W gets a legal > limit amp to full power. At 30W, which gets the KPA500 to full power, > sidebands at about +/- 50 Hz are barely visible, there are -63 dBc > sidebands at about +/- 360 Hz. > > But let's return to the real world issue -- QRM as the result of > excessive occupied bandwidth. The K3 I measured is 105 Hz wide at -40 > dBC at 29W, 110 Hz at 50W. At -60 dBC, it's 340 Hz at 29W and 720 Hz at > 50W. > > Given that the vast majority of PSK31 ops work below 50W and that 50W to > a power amp will get you to 1500W, your concerns simply do not make > sense in the real world. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 08:41:30 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> References: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> This is Not a feature I would want, and even if it was an menu item I'd leave it disabled. The sad truth is that thieves exist, and we need to take strong precautions at times to ensure the security of our stuff before it's stolen. From: Dominic Baines To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why not a $1k portable radio? I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) 72 Dom M1KTA On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: > In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft > writes >> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >> >> Is there such a thing? > Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at > http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html > > However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners > not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record > enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. > > 73 de David G4DMP > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 08:46:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559D2D4.1080000@gmail.com> References: <5559D2D4.1080000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2001911885.1226171.1431953174866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> They can make the password protection optional in firmware. <<< Will we need a "Password"? also for common sense???What did we do before we started injecting a Password into every nook and cranny of our lives?Our lives are already complicated as it is already. " Keep It Simple Stupid " combine with a little bit of " Common Sense " will deter a dishonest person. Just my $0.02 ((((73)))) Milverton /? W9MMS From: Brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear They can make the password protection optional in firmware.? Users that want it, can use it, users that don't want it, can leave it disabled. Would that be better? On 5/18/2015 7:37 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Hi Dom, > > In my opinion, NO! We have a pass word for just about everything now days > and adding one for ham radio gear is not needed! If one carries their radio > around with them, perhaps they need to be more responsible in making sure it > is not left in an attractive area where it can get stolen. You have some > 700,000 hams that do not carry their radios with them, so why punish the > majority in an attempt to protect the minority of folks who do carry their > radio out with them? > > Good suggestion but maybe needs some more thought of the overall impact? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Dominic Baines > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on it > asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't have to > set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it remains > locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would also ensure > the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so why > not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were > returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? > And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > > On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: >> In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft >> writes >>> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >>> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >>> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >>> >>> Is there such a thing? >> Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at >> http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html >> >> However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners >> not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record >> enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From jbollit at outlook.com Mon May 18 09:18:49 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 06:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559D2D4.1080000@gmail.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> <5559D2D4.1080000@gmail.com> Message-ID: Na, password on the power supply would be better. Is this email trail for real or just a late April 1st joke? Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 4:54 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear They can make the password protection optional in firmware. Users that want it, can use it, users that don't want it, can leave it disabled. Would that be better? On 5/18/2015 7:37 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Hi Dom, > > In my opinion, NO! We have a pass word for just about everything now > days and adding one for ham radio gear is not needed! If one carries > their radio around with them, perhaps they need to be more responsible > in making sure it is not left in an attractive area where it can get > stolen. You have some > 700,000 hams that do not carry their radios with them, so why punish > the majority in an attempt to protect the minority of folks who do > carry their radio out with them? > > Good suggestion but maybe needs some more thought of the overall impact? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Dominic Baines > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it > on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you > don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, > then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? > That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so > why not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit > were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? > And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > > > On 18/05/15 09:32, David Pratt wrote: >> In a recent message, Harry Yingst via Elecraft >> writes >>> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >>> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >>> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >>> >>> Is there such a thing? >> Yes, Harry, the unofficial database of Elecraft equipment is at >> http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html >> >> However, the database is somewhat incomplete, lots of Elecraft owners >> not having entered their details. It is nevertheless a useful record >> enabling one to check ones own records and look at some others. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kb9bvn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From chadwasinger at outlook.com Mon May 18 09:36:08 2015 From: chadwasinger at outlook.com (Chad Wasinger) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/10-F & P3/SVGA-K "Mint Condition" Message-ID: Hi Group, I have a few items up for grabs. First, is an Elecraft K3/10-F in mint condition for sale. The K3 is right at one year old and in beautiful condition. I am the second owner and added several options in the last few weeks. The first owner purchased the K3 factory built. The K3 has the latest firmware and is working 100%. I've also installed the TCXO and calibrated to 10 MHz WWV. Options:- K3/10-F- KAT3-F- KBPF3-F- KFL3A-500-F- KXVA-K- KTCXO3-K - MH2 Hand Microphone- S/N: 83xx I have all original Elecraft manuals, power cable, microphone and factory shipping box. Asking $1850 plus actual shipping costs. Also, I have an Elecraft P3-K with SVGA. This panadapter is only a few weeks old and is in absolute mint condition. Maybe 5 hours of actual usage. Working 100% and has latest firmware. Will include all factory supplied cables and manual. Asking $850 plus shipping costs. Please contact me offline if interested. I have pictures available on request. Thanks, Chad N0YK From peter.wollan at gmail.com Mon May 18 10:35:53 2015 From: peter.wollan at gmail.com (Peter Wollan) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 KAT1 ATU is ending w/P L O In-Reply-To: <1431947230818-7603171.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431947230818-7603171.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: When I get this message, it's always because I've turned power off so I can practice code. This is a band-specific setting, I think .... Peter W0LLN On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:07 AM, ok1rp wrote: > Hi all, > > I am sorry to bother you over here... > > My daddy Jul, OK1SP is using intensively K1 these days (until his K2 light > repairing will be finished by myself) and he reported to me last week that > his K1 is showing P L O after KAT1 tunning sequence on some bands. > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon May 18 10:45:17 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5559FAFD.2020207@socal.rr.com> Such a feature would not discourage thieves--since they would not know about it. Phil W7OX On 5/18/15 5:41 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > This is Not a feature I would want, and even if it was an menu item I'd leave it disabled. > > The sad truth is that thieves exist, and we need to take strong precautions at times to ensure the security of our stuff before it's stolen. > > > > > From: Dominic Baines > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it on > it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you don't > have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, then it > remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? That would > also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so > why not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit were > returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? > And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Mon May 18 10:55:51 2015 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:55:51 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> On 18/05/15 01:54, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to ensure an item is not stolen. > There are general services that will check serial numbers of electronic equipment against lost or stolen reports. http://www.checkmend.com/ is the one that I have heard of. It costs USD 3, but I suspect the clerical time for Elecraft to respond to requests for such checks would be similar. (There are associated services that will allow you to record details of serial numbers and other identifiers (e.g. IMIEs and MAC addresses) in case items are subsequently lost or stolen. These services tend to be free.) -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 From hwmerz at live.de Mon May 18 10:56:11 2015 From: hwmerz at live.de (dk9nl) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:56:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 -Diminished volume with Auto Notch In-Reply-To: <8A40363E-EE36-4409-951B-49F0CD175141@aol.com> References: <8A40363E-EE36-4409-951B-49F0CD175141@aol.com> Message-ID: <1431960971100-7603185.post@n2.nabble.com> Mike Lichtman wrote > When using the auto notch, I find a diminished volume. Anyone else > noticing this? 73 Mike KF6KXG Yes, the same here! When auto notch on, regardless of whether beat cancelling or not, I have to increase the audio gain by about 10 steps to get the same audio level (using earphones) as before. And the SSB signal sounds a little bit distorted then. Turning off the auto notch I have to decrease the volume very quick before the audio comes back in full blast. On my Kenwood TS-590 you do not notice any change of volume. This means "auto notch" technology does not necessarily result in lower volume or distortion. ----- 73, Hans DK9NL - K2 #291 (built 08/1999) - KPA100 REV BR (built 12/2014) - KX3 #7257 (assembled 01/2015) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Diminished-volume-with-Auto-Notch-tp7584301p7603185.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldermant at windstream.net Mon May 18 11:21:37 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:21:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559FAFD.2020207@socal.rr.com> References: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FAFD.2020207@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001d0917e$55957770$00c06650$@windstream.net> Right!! I suspect a thief does not know about 'the' password, so when they turn the radio on, it is not going to work and they will most likely trash it! A password does not deter a thief. Tom - W4BQF Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Such a feature would not discourage thieves--since they would not know about it. Phil W7OX On 5/18/15 5:41 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > This is Not a feature I would want, and even if it was an menu item I'd leave it disabled. > > The sad truth is that thieves exist, and we need to take strong precautions at times to ensure the security of our stuff before it's stolen. > > > > > From: Dominic Baines > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it > on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you > don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, > then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? > That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date too. > > It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so > why not a $1k portable radio? > > I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit > were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth it? > And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon May 18 11:31:47 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:31:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 -Diminished volume with Auto Notch In-Reply-To: <1431960971100-7603185.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8A40363E-EE36-4409-951B-49F0CD175141@aol.com> <1431960971100-7603185.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <555A05E3.8050206@embarqmail.com> Hans, Addressing the distortion only - if one places a notch in the audio response, that will create distortion. How bad it is will depend on the frequency of the notch, its width and depth. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/18/2015 10:56 AM, dk9nl wrote: > And the SSB signal sounds a little bit distorted then. Turning off the > auto notch I have to decrease the volume very quick before the audio > comes back in full blast. From w1rg at hotmail.com Mon May 18 11:34:17 2015 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:34:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?K3S?= Message-ID: What?! I didn?t!! WAAA-a-a-a-ah-h-h-.. Never mind. Anyhow, I thought Yaesu meant ?Free Hat? in Japanese? ? 73 W1RG From: dave at nk7z.net Sent: ?Monday?, ?May? ?18?, ?2015 ?7?:?57? ?AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net What? I got a free hat with my K3... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-05-18 at 07:44 -0400, Ray Fallen wrote: > "Marketing gimmicks and flash don't impress me. Minor improvements and > repackaging/repainting and increasing the price substantially doesn't > impress me. Exciting new products do. I believe a lot of folks share this > view." > > Ummm...the price didn't change. What actually happened is that Wayne and > Eric and the boys added significant > improvements to their core product AND didn't leave those that brought them > to the dance holding their schmekels. > > For example...the new KSYNTH3A wasn't a "minor improvement"...it was a game > changer. > But don't take my word for it...God knows I'm not too bright. Just take a > look at Rob Sherwood's analysis. > > You want "exciting new products"...which are generally the same old stuff > in shiny, much more expensive, new boxes? > Go to Ken-Yae-Com...and bring your credit card. > > I believe a lot more folks share my view. > > Which probably explains why Elecraft can sell their hats and Yaesu has to > give theirs away. :) > > Oh crap, I just re-opened another can of worms. > > 73, Ray - ND8L > K3 #6503 > KPA500 #1907 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon May 18 11:40:52 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: That would something to go wrong and screw up the works at field day or a multi-x contest. KISS in this case. 73, Guy K2AV On Monday, May 18, 2015, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/05/15 01:54, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > >> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or >> somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to >> ensure an item is not stolen. >> >> There are general services that will check serial numbers of electronic > equipment against lost or stolen reports. http://www.checkmend.com/ is > the one that I have heard of. It costs USD 3, but I suspect the clerical > time for Elecraft to respond to requests for such checks would be similar. > > (There are associated services that will allow you to record details of > serial numbers and other identifiers (e.g. IMIEs and MAC addresses) in case > items are subsequently lost or stolen. These services tend to be free.) > > -- > David Woolley > Owner K2 06123 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From k7mw78 at gmail.com Mon May 18 11:51:33 2015 From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:51:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <000001d0917e$55957770$00c06650$@windstream.net> References: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FAFD.2020207@socal.rr.com> <000001d0917e$55957770$00c06650$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <8F4E4139-8959-4733-9E5B-EAD6D8721E23@gmail.com> If someone attempts a firmware download from a radio that has been reported stolen, it should be possible to help locate the rig through the ISP. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW On May 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Right!! I suspect a thief does not know about 'the' password, so when they > turn the radio on, it is not going to work and they will most likely trash > it! A password does not deter a thief. > > Tom - W4BQF > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Such a feature would not discourage thieves--since they would not know about > it. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/18/15 5:41 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> This is Not a feature I would want, and even if it was an menu item I'd > leave it disabled. >> >> The sad truth is that thieves exist, and we need to take strong > precautions at times to ensure the security of our stuff before it's stolen. >> >> >> >> >> From: Dominic Baines >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear >> >> Wouldn't it be nice (function add perhaps?) so that when you power it >> on it asked for a code (you use the buttons on the front) and you >> don't have to set one... it will ask on power up for it, get 3 goes, >> then it remains locked... to 'unlock' you have to contact Elecraft? >> That would also ensure the database at Elecraft is a bit more up to date > too. >> >> It seems to be common place function with tablets and mobile phones so >> why not a $1k portable radio? >> >> I am sure some might see the problems but I'm sure if even one unit >> were returned to the rightful owner because of it then it might be worth > it? >> And if it stops the toe rags nicking one :-) >> >> 72 >> >> Dom >> M1KTA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k7mw78 at gmail.com From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Mon May 18 12:04:35 2015 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 with Acom 2000S antenna switch Message-ID: Is anybody using the KPA-500 amplifier with an Acom 2000S antenna switch? If you are and have implemented automatic hw or sw control of antenna switching, please describe how you're doing it. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon May 18 12:07:14 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 08:07:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Message-ID: <201505181607.t4IG7FIR003965@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Thief doesn't know it takes a password when he steals it. If he can't make it run he just tosses it or smashes it. Didn't cost him anything. Password would only prevent unauthorized use. Why not have the radio transmit SOS if no password? Nah that would only generate QRM. I prefer no password or make it an option to chose. Win8.0 would not install without one - I grumble every time I start the laptop. Make a typo start over again. Three typos in a row and its disabled - yikes! Could that occur at the top of the mountain, temps below zero with numb fingers? I'm not in favor of this idea. How about a retinal or thumbprint scan and if not passed the GPS location is transmitted with "I've been stolen" on APRS? This can get real crazy. Best advice is keep radios out of sight when mobile...pretty hard if at a major hamfest...antennas a big giveaway. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nq5t at tx.rr.com Mon May 18 12:10:28 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <8F4E4139-8959-4733-9E5B-EAD6D8721E23@gmail.com> References: <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <325532350.943433.1431952890460.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FAFD.2020207@socal.rr.com> <000001d0917e$55957770$00c06650$@windstream.net> <8F4E4139-8959-4733-9E5B-EAD6D8721E23@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > If someone attempts a firmware download from a radio that has been reported stolen, it should be possible to help locate the rig through the ISP. Firmware downloads don?t have any connection to a serial number. And a password on a radio? A really terrible idea IMHO. A better plan is just to not leave something small and valuable sitting out in the open where it can be a quick and painless target of opportunity. Grant NQ5T From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 12:15:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KE0AFG via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:15:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 In-Reply-To: References: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431965720606-7603195.post@n2.nabble.com> Are you using the Elecraft USB to serial cable? - yes, the KXUSB supplied with the radio Can the utility find the serial port in the "Port" tab? - yes, it shows "usbserial-A703096P" Is the plug all the way into the jack on the KX3? - tried several times, it appears ok. Are you using the correct jack? (Getting desparte here.) - it worked previously. After selecting the usbserial port and trying "Test Communications" button - error msg "Connected device does not appear to be and Elecraft KX3" went to page 25 of user manual, under "Forcing a Firmware Download", I did the following; Forcing a Firmware Download If you accidentally load an old or incompatible firmware version and find the KX3 unresponsive, do the following: (1) Unplug the KX3 from th e power supply. If internal batteries are installed, also remove one battery. (2) Plug a power supply in (or reinstall the removed battery). (3) hold the KX3?s BAND- and ATU TUNE together for about 10 seconds, after which you?ll see the TX LED flash (you?ll also see MCU LD on the LCD). (4) Connect the KX3 to a computer and run KX3 Utility , which will load new firmware now my KX3 has a flashing red TX light and "MCU LD" on the screen. How to I get it back to a working radio? Thanks, Terry, KE0AFG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164p7603195.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Mon May 18 12:27:09 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Extend Temp Comp Table Message-ID: <555A12DD.7020801@hawkins-zhu.com> I finally got to do the Extended Temp Compensation on my KX3 over the weekend. While we were doing this we used the utility to view ADC/freq values. Unfortunately, I made the assumption these were being saved to a log file. If this was the case I can't find the log file! So my questions are, i) were these values being saved to a log file and is there somewhere in the utility I can determine the location of the file. If these were not saved to a log file, is it possible to retrieve the calibration file from the KX3, and if so how? After temp comp I've managed my first JT65 QSO's on 20m, so big step forward. 73's Gary K6YOA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 18 12:36:08 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> Message-ID: <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/18/2015 5:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > You are extrapolating the behavior of the K3 with its open loop ALC > and reasonably behaved KPA3 to other rigs. The results would be > very different if you were pushing a "12V" Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu > rig. No, I'm talking about a K3, which is what I measured. The two Yaesu rigs I've measured, both run only on 120/240VAC, and their IMD and occupied spectrum do NOT decrease with power level. You are clearly on a mission to shift the ham world to high voltage PAs. But a significant part of the ham world wants a radio that runs on 11-14VDC, making it much more versatile for portable and mobile operation, carry-on in luggage for a DX trip, and easy to run from a simple solar power system. 73, Jim K9YC From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon May 18 13:06:21 2015 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: I seem to be missing something about using the Elecraft serial number for identification. As far as I know all the Elecraft transceivers have a little serial number sticker that comes in an envelop for the builder to peel and stick. Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. Eric KE6US On 5/18/2015 7:55 AM, David Woolley wrote: > On 18/05/15 01:54, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft >> (or somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to >> check to ensure an item is not stolen. >> > There are general services that will check serial numbers of > electronic equipment against lost or stolen reports. > http://www.checkmend.com/ is the one that I have heard of. It costs > USD 3, but I suspect the clerical time for Elecraft to respond to > requests for such checks would be similar. > > (There are associated services that will allow you to record details > of serial numbers and other identifiers (e.g. IMIEs and MAC addresses) > in case items are subsequently lost or stolen. These services tend to > be free.) > From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Mon May 18 13:11:19 2015 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: Goo Gone won't clear the serial number burned into the firmware. On Monday, May 18, 2015, EricJ wrote: > I seem to be missing something about using the Elecraft serial number for > identification. > > As far as I know all the Elecraft transceivers have a little serial number > sticker that comes in an envelop for the builder to peel and stick. > > Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? > > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US > > > > On 5/18/2015 7:55 AM, David Woolley wrote: > >> On 18/05/15 01:54, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> >>> Seeing the stolen KX3 Post as me curious as to wondering of Elecraft (or >>> somewhere else) maintains a list of serial numbers we can use to check to >>> ensure an item is not stolen. >>> >>> There are general services that will check serial numbers of electronic >> equipment against lost or stolen reports. http://www.checkmend.com/ is >> the one that I have heard of. It costs USD 3, but I suspect the clerical >> time for Elecraft to respond to requests for such checks would be similar. >> >> (There are associated services that will allow you to record details of >> serial numbers and other identifiers (e.g. IMIEs and MAC addresses) in case >> items are subsequently lost or stolen. These services tend to be free.) >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hullspeed21 at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 18 13:11:42 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/18/2015 10:06 AM, EricJ wrote: > Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? The serial number is also embedded in memory, and can be accessed from the Menu. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 13:17:05 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KE0AFG via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:17:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 In-Reply-To: <1431965720606-7603195.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> <1431965720606-7603195.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431969425398-7603201.post@n2.nabble.com> Removed all batteries then replaced and the radio came back (FW rev 01.87). Tried connecting again, it seemed to work and tried to update the firmware but failed. Here are the logs; Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 KX3 MCU revision --. RS232 speed 38400 bit/s. Starting MCU firmware load Verifying file "fmcu0233.hex" "fmcu0233.hex" verification succeeded Preparing KX3 for MCU firmware download Send "LDM;" Timer Elapsed 2000 ms Send "D" Response "D" 17 ms Sending firmware file "fmcu0233.hex" to MCU Send 132 bytes 0xAA001200280EE66E09ECFEF0E552A7EFFDF01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF09EF24F01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00005FECC3F0B90E496EDF0E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0200E496EE00E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0050E4B6EE10E4C6E010E4D6EFE0EDBCF4EF032ECC5F009ECD2F05BEFC3F05FECC3F08E0E496E0008005E Response "" 17 ms Send 132 bytes 0xAA001200280EE66E09ECFEF0E552A7EFFDF01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF09EF24F01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00005FECC3F0B90E496EDF0E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0200E496EE00E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0050E4B6EE10E4C6E010E4D6EFE0EDBCF4EF032ECC5F009ECD2F05BEFC3F05FECC3F08E0E496E0008005E Response "" 5 ms Send 132 bytes 0xAA001200280EE66E09ECFEF0E552A7EFFDF01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF09EF24F01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00005FECC3F0B90E496EDF0E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0200E496EE00E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0050E4B6EE10E4C6E010E4D6EFE0EDBCF4EF032ECC5F009ECD2F05BEFC3F05FECC3F08E0E496E0008005E Response "" 6 ms Send 132 bytes 0xAA001200280EE66E09ECFEF0E552A7EFFDF01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF09EF24F01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00005FECC3F0B90E496EDF0E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0200E496EE00E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0050E4B6EE10E4C6E010E4D6EFE0EDBCF4EF032ECC5F009ECD2F05BEFC3F05FECC3F08E0E496E0008005E Response "l" 6 ms Send 132 bytes 0xAA001200280EE66E09ECFEF0E552A7EFFDF01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF09EF24F01200FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00005FECC3F0B90E496EDF0E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0200E496EE00E4A6E010E39EFCEF05FECC3F0050E4B6EE10E4C6E010E4D6EFE0EDBCF4EF032ECC5F009ECD2F05BEFC3F05FECC3F08E0E496E0008005E Response "l" 6 ms Click "Close" to close this window 11:04:15 Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 11:04:15 OS X Version 10.8.5 Mountain Lion 11:04:15 KX3 boot loader is waiting for MCU firmware load. 11:04:15 New firmware is available for your KX3 11:04:35 OS X Version 10.8.5 Mountain Lion 11:04:35 Loading firmware from Macintosh HD:Users:terrylucius:Library:Application Support:Elecraft:KX3 Firmware: 11:04:36 MCU firmware file "fmcu0233.hex" verified 11:04:36 Preparing KX3 for MCU firmware download 11:04:36 Sending firmware file "fmcu0233.hex" to MCU 11:04:36 Regained synchronization with after 1 bytes11:04:36 Regained synchronization with after 1 bytes11:04:36 Regained synchronization with ~ after 1 bytes11:04:36 Regained synchronization with ~ after 1 bytes11:04:36 Regained synchronization with ~ after 1 bytes11:04:36 MCU Block write failed at address: 2048 11:04:36 MCU programming failed. Verify file source and revision. 11:04:36 Turn the KX3 off and back on, then re-try the download. 11:04:36 Total number of block retries was 5 11:04:36 Greatest number of retries for any block was 5 11:05:22 MCU firmware load failed 11:05:22 Elapsed time: 48 seconds 11:05:28 Connected device does not appear to be an Elecraft KX3 11:05:28 Ready 11:08:01 Connecting to ftp.elecraft.com. Please be patient, this takes a few seconds. 11:08:02 220 ProFTPD 1.3.2e Server (ftp.elecraft.com) [63.249.121.93] 11:08:02 USER anonymous 11:08:02 Send UserID 11:08:02 331 Anonymous login ok, send your complete email address as your password 11:08:02 PASS 11:08:02 Send Password 11:08:02 230 Anonymous access granted, restrictions apply 11:08:02 Connected to Elecraft server. 11:08:02 200 NOOP command successful. 11:08:02 CWD /KX3/firmware 11:08:02 Change directory to: /KX3/firmware 11:08:02 250 CWD command successful 11:08:02 Directory Change Complete. 11:08:02 200 NOOP command successful. 11:08:02 PASV 11:08:02 Passive Mode 11:08:03 227 Entering Passive Mode (63,249,121,93,201,237). 11:08:03 200 NOOP command successful. 11:08:03 PWD 11:08:03 Get working directory for 11:08:03 257 "/KX3/firmware" is the current directory 11:08:03 NLST 11:08:03 Get full directory list for /KX3/firmware 11:08:03 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list 11:08:03 226-Transfer complete 11:08:03 226 Quotas off 11:08:03 200 NOOP command successful. 11:08:03 The file list has been transferred. 11:08:03 Your folder has the most recent KX3 firmware files from Elecraft. 11:08:03 QUIT 11:08:03 Send Logoff Command 11:08:07 221 Goodbye. 11:08:07 Ready 11:08:10 Connected device does not appear to be an Elecraft KX3 11:08:25 Connected device does not appear to be an Elecraft KX3 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164p7603201.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa2si at arrl.net Mon May 18 13:33:13 2015 From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:33:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. Wow, as a law enforcement officer, it's really disheartening to see so many blame the victim. It would be nifty if firmware updates checked for a stolen s/n. Take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon May 18 13:39:50 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 KAT1 ATU is ending w/P L O In-Reply-To: <1431947230818-7603171.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431947230818-7603171.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <555A23E6.7040900@embarqmail.com> Petr, LO P indicates Low Power, and if the actual power output is less than 1.5 watts when a TUNE is done, that is the message that will be displayed. When that happens, it is quite likely that the antenna tuning did not complete correctly. The first course of action is to check the menu OUT parameter to see if it is 1.5 or greater, and do another TUNE. If that does not correct it (eliminate the message), then there may be a fault with the K1 which is causing low output power. In that case, after setting the OUT parameter and trying the TUNE, check the OUT parameter again - if it has been changed to something lower than what it was set to, that is an indication that the K1 is not capable of producing the proper power output. The OUT parameter will be reset to the actual power output. One thing that should be checked before doing the above is to make certain the jumper on the 3 pin header next to the BNC jack is set correctly. With the KAT1 installed, it must be in the KAT position in order for the MCU to properly measure the power output. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/18/2015 7:07 AM, ok1rp wrote: > Hi all, > > I am sorry to bother you over here... > > My daddy Jul, OK1SP is using intensively K1 these days (until his K2 light > repairing will be finished by myself) and he reported to me last week that > his K1 is showing P L O after KAT1 tunning sequence on some bands. > > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon May 18 13:44:36 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 12:44:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk>, Message-ID: If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. Not a criticism, but a comment: I think I understand what you are driving at, but this strikes a nerve. The thief is totally to blame! We need to get rid of the 'partially-to-blame' attitudes in our society. While I grew up, there were no shades of gray when it came to honesty. We have let ourselves be brainwashed. (The thieves could also be gleaning info from the reflector.) Dick, n0ce > Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:06:21 -0700 > From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > I seem to be missing something about using the Elecraft serial number > for identification. > > As far as I know all the Elecraft transceivers have a little serial > number sticker that comes in an envelop for the builder to peel and stick. > > Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? > > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US > > > From ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com Mon May 18 13:52:30 2015 From: ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com (N8NCR) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: A Kensington Security Slot would be a nice feature, it works well for laptops. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,5/18/2015 10:06 AM, EricJ wrote: > >> Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? >> > > The serial number is also embedded in memory, and can be accessed from the > Menu. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 13:54:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 17:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> As Jim indicated, Elecraft serial numbers are embedded in the memory.It would be prudent when buying a used Elecraft Radio to " INSIST" on SEEING a picture of the serial # displayed on the radio.Simply (KISS) common sense. ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear On Mon,5/18/2015 10:06 AM, EricJ wrote: > Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? The serial number is also embedded in memory, and can be accessed from the Menu. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Mon May 18 14:04:28 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think a power on password is an awesome idea. What a great way to protect it. Mike va3mw From kb9bvn at gmail.com Mon May 18 14:13:18 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:13:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> Blame the victim is a common mentality these days. I'd like to see the KX3 just go ahead an electrocute the SOB that stole it. After about 4 days, someone would find it...by smell if no other reason. Eric acts like the guy left it laying in the front seat with a "steal me" sign on it. Jeeesh. Anyway...I bet he never gets it back. It'd be nice to know the SN though so we could maybe keep an eye out for it. 73 de KB9BVN On 5/18/2015 1:33 PM, Bert Craig wrote: >> If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > Wow, as a law enforcement officer, it's really disheartening to see so many blame the victim. It would be nifty if firmware updates checked for a stolen s/n. Take care es... > > Vy 73 de Bert > WA2SI > > > Sent from my android device. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > . > From kb9bvn at gmail.com Mon May 18 14:15:05 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:15:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. How is it the KX3 owners fault at all? Please, explain. On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote: > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US From kb9bvn at gmail.com Mon May 18 14:17:40 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555A2CC4.8010000@gmail.com> Power on password as a feature would be cool...that way some hams can use it if they want, and come hams can disable it if they want. My laptop has a power on password, Windows has a login and password, then my WiFi has a login and password...as does my VPN software....my company requires me to leave all of them active except the power on password. It's an option. On 5/18/2015 2:04 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > I think a power on password is an awesome idea. > > What a great way to protect it. > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 14:19:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Dick, there are no excuse for being dishonest, Period! The great majority of Operators on this and other forums are honest law abiding citizens.However, make no mistake! There are Operators out there who know just as much about these radios as you and I.? And! Are as crooked as a $3.00 bill. Wanna place a small wager of a Snicker Bar, that the? culprit who stole that radio at Dayton over the Weekend is a Ham Operator. ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS From: Richard Fjeld To: EricJ ; Elecraft Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. Not a criticism, but a comment:? I think I understand what you are driving at, but this strikes a nerve. The thief is totally to blame!? We need to get rid of the 'partially-to-blame' attitudes in our society.? While I grew up, there were no shades of gray when it came to honesty.? We have let ourselves be brainwashed.? (The thieves could also be gleaning info from the reflector.) Dick, n0ce ? > Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 10:06:21 -0700 > From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > I seem to be missing something about using the Elecraft serial number > for identification. > > As far as I know all the Elecraft transceivers have a little serial > number sticker that comes in an envelop for the builder to peel and stick. > > Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? > > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US > > > ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon May 18 14:31:33 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555A3005.2040102@socal.rr.com> Protect it from what? Being used after it was stolen? Phil W7OX On 5/18/15 11:04 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > I think a power on password is an awesome idea. > > What a great way to protect it. > > Mike va3mw From alsopb at nc.rr.com Mon May 18 14:44:20 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:44:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A2CC4.8010000@gmail.com> References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555A2CC4.8010000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555A3304.3060809@nc.rr.com> What next? Remotely controlled explosives within the rig? A sign on the outside denoting might be helpful too. Remember the Canal Street surplus WWII era gear where one had to be aware that some could contain live explosives? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 5/18/2015 18:17 PM, Brian wrote: > Power on password as a feature would be cool...that way some hams can > use it if they want, and come hams can disable it if they want. My > laptop has a power on password, Windows has a login and password, then > my WiFi has a login and password...as does my VPN software....my > company requires me to leave all of them active except the power on > password. It's an option. > > > > On 5/18/2015 2:04 PM, Michael Walker wrote: >> I think a power on password is an awesome idea. >> >> What a great way to protect it. >> >> Mike va3mw >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4342/9807 - Release Date: 05/18/15 > > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon May 18 14:45:23 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 04:45:23 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A3005.2040102@socal.rr.com> References: <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> <733173725.1530894.1431971687336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555A3005.2040102@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Insurance....just be sure you tell your insurance the model abd serial number. Lock the vehicle and if stolen you have done about as much as law enforcement and insurance companies expect. The excess should be all you pay for a new replacement so move on. The KX3 mounting is hard to secure against theft. It is a beacon to a thief and sadly there are those who would risk incarceration to get one. Or move to VK....we are decendants of convicts....we'll look after you.....just kidding :-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT On 19/05/2015 4:32 AM, "Phil Wheeler" wrote: > Protect it from what? Being used after it was stolen? > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/18/15 11:04 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > >> I think a power on password is an awesome idea. >> >> What a great way to protect it. >> >> Mike va3mw >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk Mon May 18 14:47:49 2015 From: M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:47:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A1D4E.4000502@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <3A4186FA-AA9F-49DE-8D0C-85D214E2E394@alphadene.co.uk> But to make it worthwhile, you?d have to increase the mass of the frame (there isn?t one at present) and stop the screws on the panel being undone. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labour. -Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977) > On 18 May 2015, at 18:52, N8NCR wrote: > > A Kensington Security Slot would be a nice feature, it works well for > laptops. > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> On Mon,5/18/2015 10:06 AM, EricJ wrote: >> >>> Can we assume that thieves aren't aware of Goo Gone? >>> >> >> The serial number is also embedded in memory, and can be accessed from the >> Menu. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon May 18 14:57:35 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555A361F.8060905@embarqmail.com> All the hams I have dealt with in my repair of Elecraft radios have been very honest and trustworthy. So much so that after I finish a repair, I ship the radio whenever the customer can tell me that a check is being sent. I have never been "burned", and will continue to operate that way until someone tries to "shortchange" me. So far that has been true no matter whether the amount owed was a few dollars or several hundred. I think that is testimony to the integrity of hams who own Elecraft gear. Too bad there is the occasional 'rotten apple' which spoils the entire bushel. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/18/2015 2:19 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > Dick, there are no excuse for being dishonest, Period! > The great majority of Operators on this and other forums are honest law abiding citizens.However, make no mistake! There are Operators out there who know just as much about these radios as you and I. And! Are as crooked as a $3.00 bill. > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Mon May 18 15:00:01 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Blame the victim is a common mentality these days. I'd like to see the KX3 just go ahead an electrocute the SOB that stole it. After about 4 days, someone would find it...by smell if no other reason. Eric acts like the guy left it laying in the front seat with a "steal me" sign on it. Jeeesh. > I don?t think anyone is ?blaming the victim?. I?ve been the victim of theft three times ? an expensive camera from the lobby of the building I lived in, a car broken into in a motel parking lot, and a house broken into. None of these were gun in the face ?hand it over? things. In every case, it was avoidable ? it was something I did or didn?t do that facilitated the theft. That doesn?t mean it isn?t the thieves that are to blame. I just managed to give them a hand in the process. A database of stolen serial numbers is a good idea, as long as documentation is appropriate to put a number in the database. A power on password is a hassle and, if as has been suggested it actually kills the radio after xxx failed tries, would likely be a bigger issue than stolen radios. Tying firmware updates to serial numbers greatly complicates the update process no matter how it?s done, and even that isn?t foolproof if there?s any kind of software agent that is user accessible between the radio and the firmware server, unless there was encryption IN the radio. If we were dealing with hundreds of thousands of these things floating around with a high snatch rate and a high demand open market means of turning them into cash, I?d probably see it differently. As it is, a modicum of care, and insurance are the best bets. Grant NQ5T From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon May 18 15:17:13 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002401d0919f$3fddc330$bf994990$@gamewood.net> Brian, Eric is not totally off base. I managed manufacturing and engineering organizations all my life. The occasional incidents of theft resulted from a normally good person being overcome by temptation when someone didn't secure their purse, locker, toolbox, or other personal property. This is not meant to excuse the perp! More than once I terminated and prosecuted the culprit. And often I lost an excellent employee, one whose services I would have retained had the purse, locker, toolbox been secured. It behooves all of us to avoid placing people in situations where their innate honesty is simply overwhelmed by lust for an object! I always mount my mobile radio so it is not visible from outside the locked vehicle. Antenna is a bit more difficult, but I will remove it and place it inside vehicle if in doubt. And I carry a black bath towel to cover any article I can't hide. (Towel always comes in handy at Hamvention!) I do not know the details of the loss, but do regret that the ham community is stained by the mere possibility that the perpetrator was one of us. Ken - ke4rg When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. How is it the KX3 owners fault at all? Please, explain. On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote: > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From K2TK at att.net Mon May 18 15:21:18 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559BDDC.2010803@ntlworld.com> <000801d0915f$010d3db0$0327b910$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <555A3BAE.20002@att.net> Another NO here. My K3 sits on my desk but has been to two FD's. My KX3 has never left the house. I do not want to deal with more passwords. I'm comfortable with that within my own home for radios and other devices. In the car I accept the risk on a few hundred dollar VHF/UHF FM radio that is exposed. A $5K loaded K3 would not be left exposed though and gets locked in the trunk even going to FD. No mobile operation in the past or planned. If a Elecraft radio gets stolen, unless by a ham I have some hope that it may turn up at an honest hams eventually. A normal thief most likely will not know how to reprogram it so my turn on banner states, "Stolen from K2TK". 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 5/18/2015 7:37 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Hi Dom, > > In my opinion, NO! We have a pass word for just about everything now days > and adding one for ham radio gear is not needed! If one carries their radio > around with them, perhaps they need to be more responsible in making sure it > is not left in an attractive area where it can get stolen. You have some > 700,000 hams that do not carry their radios with them, so why punish the > majority in an attempt to protect the minority of folks who do carry their > radio out with them? > > Good suggestion but maybe needs some more thought of the overall impact? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > From bsusb at k5dkz.com Mon May 18 15:47:00 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:47:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555A41B4.3020209@k5dkz.com> >> Blame the victim is a common mentality these days. I'd like to see the KX3 just go ahead an electrocute the SOB that stole it. After about 4 days, someone would find it...by smell if no other reason. Eric acts like the guy left it laying in the front seat with a "steal me" sign on it. Jeeesh. >> Of course its the victims fault. Had the victim not bought a KX3 or a car to put it in, it would not have been stolen. He is lucky he did not donate his car to the worthy cause as well. One solution is to restrict your possessions to dumpster trophies, or stuff that thieves would not steal. Or disguise your good stuff to be less appealing. A big blob of plastic dog poop can do wonders to hide a KX3. For the technically inclined, how about a GPS system that can call home if it determines it is in a strange place. Such a device should not add more than $500 to a $1000 radio. Its not the cost, it is a matter of principle. Now can we close this silly thread? From lists at subich.com Mon May 18 15:48:10 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:48:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> > You are clearly on a mission to shift the ham world to high voltage > PAs. No, I'm on a mission - if that's what you call it - to get the ham world to stop using devices with output impedance below 2 Ohms. Most times those are coupled with 16:1 broadband transformers and one gets significant peak non-linearity because of impedance mismatch and/or core saturation problems. If you want to use 12V systems, use multiple amplifiers in parallel or use a lower power output. If you want higher power with only a single pair of devices, get the voltage/impedance up where they will operate properly. > But a significant part of the ham world wants a radio that runs on > 11-14VDC, making it much more versatile for portable and mobile > operation, carry-on in luggage for a DX trip, and easy to run from a > simple solar power system. There is nothing sacred about 11-14V for any of those functions. Simple solar and battery power systems can handle higher voltages - it's just a matter of design and planning, switching supplies for DX trips can be made just as physically small in higher/multiple voltages (particularly since they typically need to handle less than half the current, and quiet "boost regulators" solve the mobile issue. 12V is only used because it has always been used. Modern equipment designers make too many compromises in signal quality to force 12V operation. "Boost Regulators" (e.g. vibrator or motor generator supplies) were used for high voltage PAs even in the *tube* days. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-18 12:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,5/18/2015 5:40 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> You are extrapolating the behavior of the K3 with its open loop ALC >> and reasonably behaved KPA3 to other rigs. The results would be >> very different if you were pushing a "12V" Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu >> rig. > > No, I'm talking about a K3, which is what I measured. The two Yaesu rigs > I've measured, both run only on 120/240VAC, and their IMD and occupied > spectrum do NOT decrease with power level. > > You are clearly on a mission to shift the ham world to high voltage PAs. > But a significant part of the ham world wants a radio that runs on > 11-14VDC, making it much more versatile for portable and mobile > operation, carry-on in luggage for a DX trip, and easy to run from a > simple solar power system. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon May 18 16:01:32 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is little doubt in my mind. I had a friend, the original w0ir, since then SK, who had a card from King Hussein of Jordan with raised real gold lettering. It was beautiful. I read of another ham with one, who invited some of his ham friends over to his house to see the card. After they left, his card was gone. Money can't replace that card. It's all about evil. Dick, n0ce Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:19:55 +0000 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com To: rpfjeld at outlook.com; eric_csuf at hotmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Dick, there are no excuse for being dishonest, Period! The great majority of Operators on this and other forums are honest law abiding citizens.However, make no mistake! There are Operators out there who know just as much about these radios as you and I. And! Are as crooked as a $3.00 bill. Wanna place a small wager of a Snicker Bar, that the culprit who stole that radio at Dayton over the Weekend is a Ham Operator. ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS From eric at elecraft.com Mon May 18 16:16:07 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:16:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06EE56CC-FE11-470F-86B8-D718F54BDD84@elecraft.com> Thread closed due to excessive posts. Folks, as per list policy, please self limit after a thread hits a large number of posts in a short time. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 18, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > There is little doubt in my mind. I had a friend, the original w0ir, since then SK, who had a card from King Hussein of Jordan with raised real gold lettering. It was beautiful. I read of another ham with one, who invited some of his ham friends over to his house to see the card. After they left, his card was gone. Money can't replace that card. It's all about evil. > > Dick, n0ce > > > > > > Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:19:55 +0000 > From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com > To: rpfjeld at outlook.com; eric_csuf at hotmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Dick, there are no excuse for being dishonest, Period! > The great majority of Operators on this and other forums are honest law abiding citizens.However, make no mistake! There are Operators out there who know just as much about these radios as you and I. And! Are as crooked as a $3.00 bill. > Wanna place a small wager of a Snicker Bar, that the culprit who stole that radio at Dayton over the Weekend is a Ham Operator. > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From kb9bvn at gmail.com Mon May 18 16:36:20 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 16:36:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <002401d0919f$3fddc330$bf994990$@gamewood.net> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> <002401d0919f$3fddc330$bf994990$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <555A4D44.3010904@gmail.com> Eric is not only totally off base, he's wrong. When someone steals something the thief is to blame. Granny taught us at a very young age, if it isn't yours, then you leave it alone. It's not the victims fault. Ever. Why would you hire people you can't trust, sounds like a better job of screening applicants at your factory might be in order. Sure we all should take precautions to safeguard our property. A thief is a thief, always will be a thief. So I disagree, with Eric. 73 de KB9BVN Ken of you'd like to continue this discussion, please take it to email and off the reflector. I'll do the same. On 5/18/2015 3:17 PM, Kenneth Talbott wrote: > Brian, Eric is not totally off base. I managed manufacturing and > engineering organizations all my life. The occasional incidents of theft > resulted from a normally good person being overcome by temptation when > someone didn't secure their purse, locker, toolbox, or other personal > property. This is not meant to excuse the perp! More than once I > terminated and prosecuted the culprit. And often I lost an excellent > employee, one whose services I would have retained had the purse, locker, > toolbox been secured. It behooves all of us to avoid placing people in > situations where their innate honesty is simply overwhelmed by lust for an > object! > > I always mount my mobile radio so it is not visible from outside the locked > vehicle. Antenna is a bit more difficult, but I will remove it and place it > inside vehicle if in doubt. And I carry a black bath towel to cover any > article I can't hide. (Towel always comes in handy at Hamvention!) > > I do not know the details of the loss, but do regret that the ham community > is stained by the mere possibility that the perpetrator was one of us. > > Ken - ke4rg > > When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:15 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear > > Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. How is it the > KX3 owners fault at all? Please, explain. > > On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote: >> If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. >> >> Eric >> KE6US > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net > > . > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon May 18 16:44:38 2015 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 13:44:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2BBE.8000408@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know the details in this particular case. I googled "KX3 stolen" and got two hits. One was stolen at Dayton...no doubt a target rich collection of rigs to steal what with half the cars bristling with antennas. The other was stolen in 2014, locked in the trunk of a car at night with a radio pack full of equipment, several handguns and shooting accessories. I won't speculate on the details, but I'll offer two examples of my own. My pickup was broken into. The thieves took a 15 year old scratched up KMart AM/FM/CD, and a roll of paper towels from behind the seat. I was parked during the week in the unguarded, unoccupied parking lot (except for my truck) of a local wilderness park. I was gone hiking for 2-3 hours. I have to accept some responsibility for the loss of that POS radio and half roll of towels. The real loss for me was the broken door lock. $85 and it can be punched out again any time in seconds unobtrusively and almost noiselessly. Same truck. My tailgate was stolen late evening in my driveway with bright motion detector lights functioning. Basically, I provided adequate lighting at their job site. I have the bottom of the line F150. Stick shift, rubber mats. And no factory tailgate lock. Two guys can take a tailgate in about 3 minutes or less. If it has a lock, I'd give them 5 minutes. Lesson 1: They will steal anything. There is little risk and if they get $5, they at least covered their gas expense. Lesson 2: Your vehicle, I don't care what make or model, is NOT secure. A "locked" trunk full of radios and guns is not really locked. Your stuff is just out of sight. Police cars are broken into or stolen. Lesson 3: Your level of security should be in proportion to the value of the items "on offer" to thieves. There's a saying, "Never gamble more than you are willing to lose." Lesson 4: You are being watched. Thieves have a lot of the same high tech stuff you have (they probably stole it though). They watch you punching in PINs. They watch you loading your handguns into the trunk when you leave the range. They watch you lock your radio in your trunk. They watch you remove your antenna when you park somewhere. Given just those few lessons (and there are so many more), it isn't that difficult to assign some responsibility to the victim. I hope it isn't too unsettling for us to discover there are bad people out there willing to do bad things. The discussion has already taken more list time than it should so any comments, please email me. Eric KE6US From phils at riousa.com Mon May 18 17:42:40 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net results from May 17, 2015 In-Reply-To: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> References: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> Message-ID: <4574D9FA-B165-4367-90F5-DAF7FEEFBB6A@riousa.com> It was a challenge. Signals were not strong, but noise was. We struggled for our 21 participants. Here is the list of stations: CALL NAME QTH RIG VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 W7HD Ron AZ KX3 6966 QRP WA0BEU Keith CO KX3 7028 KC9LIF Kent IL K2 6896 QRP W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 W8OV Dave TX K3 3139 KX6F John TN K3 7023 KA6MOK Jon CA K2 QRP KE7FSD Al AZ K3 8532 K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 K5RHD Randy NM KX3 1383 QRP from SOTA summit WW4JF John TN K3 6185 KB2MN Larry NJ KX3 3649 N0KGM Robb UT KX3 201 N6LEW Lew CA K3 3805 K7BRR/m Bill NV K3 5545 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 KL7UW Ed AK K3 4340 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From droese at necg.de Mon May 18 17:45:34 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 23:45:34 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> References: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <555A5D7E.4020308@necg.de> Edd, plugin the Remoterig connection cables into the speaker port on the K3's backside as described in the K3 Remote manual. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 17.05.2015 um 16:26 schrieb Edward Seeliger: > How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. > I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. > Thanks for any help! > Edd KD5M > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From droese at necg.de Mon May 18 17:47:55 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 23:47:55 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <449651C8-1C29-4346-A0DE-80F468D19AA4@gmail.com> References: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> <449651C8-1C29-4346-A0DE-80F468D19AA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555A5E0B.3010904@necg.de> Sure. No interface needed (the internet is a perfect isolator, no pin 1 problem there ;-)). Like one could assume just plug in your audio cables into the speaker and mic jacks at the mini's left side, plug in PTT on the mini's backside and switch the radio to DATA A and do your digital QSOs. Works like a charm. 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 17.05.2015 um 17:33 schrieb bwruble at gmail.com: > Ancillary question... Has anybody figured out how to use, at the local end, sound card digital modes? I want to run MixW or other sound card programs, and have Olivia or MFSK on USB coming out at the controlled (remote) K3 end. Can it be done? What is the cabling and interface required? > > Tnx de Brian W3BW > > > > Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > >From my iPad > > >> On May 17, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Edward Seeliger wrote: >> >> How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. >> I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. >> Thanks for any help! >> Edd KD5M >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From jbollit at outlook.com Mon May 18 17:58:55 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 14:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk> <555A2C29.20704@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can answer. He had a rough childhood. Add to that, liberalism, And it equals: the victim is at fault, always..................... W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:15 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear Eric...that's the most ridiculous thing I've read today. How is it the KX3 owners fault at all? Please, explain. On 5/18/2015 1:06 PM, EricJ wrote: > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Eric > KE6US ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From wes at triconet.org Mon May 18 18:29:35 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 15:29:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> Message-ID: <555A67CF.2060702@triconet.org> Ahem. I've said before that I used a floating battery and boost regulator to keep the supply voltage at the high end of the spec. (I have a KPA500 inline now, so this has changed somewhat.) But I've seen comments here more than once that someone's K3 "works" down to 11 V. or some such number. I'm hoping that Elecraft has a PIP that will add another connector to the KPA3A to run it on 28-50V to make a K3S/200+. Wes N7WS On 5/18/2015 12:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > No, I'm on a mission - if that's what you call it - to get the ham > world to stop using devices with output impedance below 2 Ohms. Most > times those are coupled with 16:1 broadband transformers and one gets > significant peak non-linearity because of impedance mismatch and/or > core saturation problems. > > If you want to use 12V systems, use multiple amplifiers in parallel > or use a lower power output. If you want higher power with only a > single pair of devices, get the voltage/impedance up where they will > operate properly. > > > But a significant part of the ham world wants a radio that runs on > > 11-14VDC, making it much more versatile for portable and mobile > > operation, carry-on in luggage for a DX trip, and easy to run from a > > simple solar power system. > > There is nothing sacred about 11-14V for any of those functions. > Simple solar and battery power systems can handle higher voltages - > it's just a matter of design and planning, switching supplies for DX > trips can be made just as physically small in higher/multiple voltages > (particularly since they typically need to handle less than half the > current, and quiet "boost regulators" solve the mobile issue. > > 12V is only used because it has always been used. Modern equipment > designers make too many compromises in signal quality to force 12V > operation. "Boost Regulators" (e.g. vibrator or motor generator > supplies) were used for high voltage PAs even in the *tube* days. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 18:59:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem Message-ID: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> SN 68xx I recent purchase my second K3 on the used market and have been having a problem with the SSB Speech compressor. I'm using a foot switch to key the radio on the back PTT IN and using a heil proset connected to the rear panel. I then key the radio and adjust the mic gain and the speech compressor to the desired level and everything sounds great using a second radio and the internal monitor. When I release the footswitch and re-key the radio to transmit again the speech processing (compression level on the meter looks correct) but the audio being transmitted doesn't sound like the compressor is on. Without releasing the footswitch I touch the compression level control and speech compression instantly returns into the audio. If you raise or lower the speech compression and the radio tracks. But when you release the footswitch and try to transmit again the compressor doesn't come back on until you touch the compress control again. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for the help. 73 Bill W4RM From nq5t at tx.rr.com Mon May 18 19:06:29 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem In-Reply-To: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> References: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> Message-ID: <410859D0-2E53-414F-99BC-1A7E390AC711@tx.rr.com> If you have FAST MONITOR turned on, you won't hear the effects of compression in the monitor after in/rekeying. It's still set. It just isn't playing in the monitor. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > > > > I recent purchase my second K3 on the used market and have been having a > problem with the SSB Speech compressor. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon May 18 19:18:03 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem In-Reply-To: <410859D0-2E53-414F-99BC-1A7E390AC711@tx.rr.com> References: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> <410859D0-2E53-414F-99BC-1A7E390AC711@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <03c401d091c0$e4561720$ad024560$@aol.com> Grant, I do have Fast Monitor on so let me turn it off and give it a try. Thanks for the quick reply and help!!! 73 Bill W4RM -----Original Message----- From: Grant Youngman [mailto:nq5t at tx.rr.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:06 PM To: Bill OMara Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem If you have FAST MONITOR turned on, you won't hear the effects of compression in the monitor after in/rekeying. It's still set. It just isn't playing in the monitor. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On May 18, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > > > > I recent purchase my second K3 on the used market and have been having > a problem with the SSB Speech compressor. From edauer at law.du.edu Mon May 18 19:52:53 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 23:52:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft quality Message-ID: Call it Kool-Aid, but I am continually impressed. Just finished assembly of the KXPA100/KAT100 - my ninth Elecraft kit. All seems fine so far, though I am still waiting for a chance to do the on-the-air tests. What impressed me with the first kit and every one after it, including this one, is the precision of the tolerances and the fit. When a second layer of board goes on top of a first, everything lines up exactly. When a piece of sheet metal has a dozen places where it has to be spot on in order to be spot on, it's spot on - no need to bend, or twist, or cajole. It's all just there - exactly where it should be. In a world otherwise full of it's-good-enoughs, I find this remarkable. Is it the engineering? The manufacturing? The quality control? All of the above? Bravo again, Ted, KN1CBR From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon May 18 20:19:41 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted, it's all of the above...and then some! Part of what makes Elecraft so great is that Wayne, Eric, and the rest of the team go to extraordinary lengths to make sure Elecraft owners have the best possible experience, from unpacking the components to on-air experience. Ian, KM4IK On May 18, 2015 7:54 PM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > Call it Kool-Aid, but I am continually impressed. Just finished assembly > of the KXPA100/KAT100 - my ninth Elecraft kit. All seems fine so far, > though I am still waiting for a chance to do the on-the-air tests. > > What impressed me with the first kit and every one after it, including > this one, is the precision of the tolerances and the fit. When a second > layer of board goes on top of a first, everything lines up exactly. When a > piece of sheet metal has a dozen places where it has to be spot on in order > to be spot on, it's spot on - no need to bend, or twist, or cajole. It's > all just there - exactly where it should be. In a world otherwise full of > it's-good-enoughs, I find this remarkable. Is it the engineering? The > manufacturing? The quality control? All of the above? > > Bravo again, > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon May 18 20:29:19 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 17:29:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> Message-ID: <555A83DF.9000204@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,5/18/2015 12:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > There is nothing sacred about 11-14V for any of those functions. > Simple solar and battery power systems can handle higher voltages - AND having to buy equipment to support those higher voltages. Most of us have vehicles with 13.8V systems, big deep discharge batteries are a mass market item, and thus inexpensive. 73, Jim K9YC From john.turgoose at gmail.com Mon May 18 20:31:53 2015 From: john.turgoose at gmail.com (VE3NFK) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 17:31:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Batteries for your KX3 In-Reply-To: <1431971195687-7603205.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431971195687-7603205.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1431995513323-7603240.post@n2.nabble.com> $53.99 here in Ontario - no rebate... even taking into account our wonderful dollar your $23.99 price translates into $29 here so almost 1/2 price ! 73 John VE3NFK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Batteries-for-your-KX3-tp7603205p7603240.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From silver60 at charter.net Mon May 18 20:36:45 2015 From: silver60 at charter.net (Richard Jubinville) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stolen KX3 Message-ID: <32D55002692E43F48833AAAE654083C9@DickPC> Once you rule out the impossible, then all things are possible...it is quite probable that a Ham operator stole the KX3. As others have already noted, sometimes very good people become so tempted that they cannot contain their desire and the result is thievery. Sadly, in this modern age of lying and cheating, it does not surprise me one bit that the KX3 was stolen and more than likely by a Ham. I also believe that the majority of Ham operators would never think of stealing at a show or anywhere else for that matter. Most of us were all taught the 3 R?s growing up, I wonder if the younger generation even knows what they are? 73 / W1REJ Dick From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon May 18 20:38:29 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555A8605.4090802@nycap.rr.com> Yes! Elecraft is amazing in the mechanical quality of fit and finish. I also think the K3 is amazing in all the other aspects also. When you look at what you get for the dollar - it beats the competition hands down. Not just for rigs of equal value - but, for rigs costing much more. Upgrading is continual - so the K3 is always up to date. If you have a problem, help is just a phone call away. Help that is real help, not just someone turning the pages of the scripted call center manual. Halleluiah - and pass the pitcher! Bill W2BLC L-Line From vk5zm at bistre.net Mon May 18 20:50:02 2015 From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:20:02 +0930 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 2m Preamps and Amps Message-ID: Howdy All, Can any one tell me the delay between the KEY OUT on the rear panel being asserted and RF appearing at the output of the K144XV or the ANT connectors.for that matter? Is there enough time to switch a mast head preamp out if harms way? Also am I right that if CONFIG:KIO3 is set to HF-TRN then DIGOUT0 is asserted AND the transverter address on the BAND lines (as set by TRN table) when the 2m band or other transverters are selected? By anding the DIGOUT0 and TRN address can I use this to enable an external amplifer with suitable PTT interface ??? Are there any other delays here that will put my mast head preamp at risk? The 10w out of the K144XV has been fun but life is too short for QRP. Need to make some noise, VK is a big place. 73 Matthew VK5ZM K3:#3913 From w0agmike at gmail.com Mon May 18 21:08:32 2015 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 20:08:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Remote Message-ID: Was just browsing thru the KX3 manual and happened upon a section that says a KX3 can (maybe, someday?) be used to control a remote KX3 via the internet. That's exactly what I would be looking for but cannot find anything further. Anyone have any info on this or similar possibilities for remoting a KX3? Mike - W0AG From lawresh at woh.rr.com Mon May 18 21:20:19 2015 From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 21:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Remote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64E8A769-6B9A-4BFB-A17A-B16BD167CACF@woh.rr.com> Mike, Fresh in my mind from Hamvention, I believe Pignology has the technology available today: http://pignology.net/pigremote/ Steve aa8af > On May 18, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > Was just browsing thru the KX3 manual and happened upon a section that says > a KX3 can (maybe, someday?) be used to control a remote KX3 via the > internet. That's exactly what I would be looking for but cannot find > anything further. Anyone have any info on this or similar possibilities > for remoting a KX3? > > Mike - W0AG From w1ie at jetbroadband.com Mon May 18 21:58:24 2015 From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 18:58:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention Message-ID: <1432000704044-7603246.post@n2.nabble.com> Greeting all, I've got the correct S/N from Elecraft this afternoon. It is S/N 6168. There has been a lot of chatter about this incident, and my intent was not create a very long thread. Here is what happened: 1. The radio was in a small fabric bag in the trunk with other things. I don't believe the thief knew what he had grabbed at the time. 2. The thief also grabbed a portable computer which had some very sensitive and excellent information that someone could use to steal my identify. The entire hard drive was encrypted using Windows 8.1 Pro Bitlocker. No need to discuss the pros or cons - I am not concerned about the KX3. What I am concerned about is the computer. Catch the KX3 and then I may get the computer back. If that happens and the encryption is still not tampered with, then my life suddenly gets so much better. I have spent the majority of the last two days doing damage control changing accounts passwords etc. It's a good exercise that has made me so much more appreciative of the pain that others who have suffer from ID thief. My fortune is; I have not been hit yet and by tomorrow, I will have this all under control. 3. So my request to all of hams is this: if you come across this KX3 in your wanderings about the internet or anywhere, please give me a phone call (not e-mail) at 540-583-0475. Best regards, Jerry Knowlton, W1IE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Stolen-at-Hamvention-tp7603246.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin at ve3syb.ca Mon May 18 22:20:21 2015 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 22:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1431902069454-7603142.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <79793fe8b132af9a98da2ad33f730386@ve3syb.ca> On 2015-05-17 18:34, Jerry wrote: > My name is Jerry Knowlton, W1IE and my KX3 S/N 1516 was stolen out of > my > automobile Saturday. It sucks that you had your radio stolen. On the other hand, if you had to have a radio stolen, the thief couldn't have made a worse choice than to steal an Elecraft radio. With the community around Elecraft radios I think the chance of the radio popping up somewhere in the future is a little higher than if it had been some other brand. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From jbollit at outlook.com Mon May 18 22:48:14 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: <555A83DF.9000204@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5F45EE1D-63F8-4632-A46F-07DC4CE5A59F@tx.rr.com> <539784563.4520473.1431282170553.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <554FBE95.5090505@foothill.net> <20150511075258.718d572b77142e26c3e7bb2f@mediacombb.net> <5550DB24.3030509@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55511633.30504@subich.com> <55514F7B.907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55515B31.40409@subich.com> <55516FB4.1010004@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555175E9.1020607@subich.com> <5551844E.4020707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55561A8D.7030906@subich.com> <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> <555A83DF.9000204@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: High end car stereo amps use DC/DC's. Yea it's audio, but ya pay to play. There are 300 watt DC/DC made by Vicor, Belfuse et. al. Yea, it is more money. But people that want to put a K3 in a mobile is out at 4 or 5 sigma's (no data, relax, but reasonable estimate) If ya want mobile, get the KX3. A rig used primarily for base station operation could be designed for better performance. Business and marine radios run off 12 volts and have better IMD performance, but the mfg's get more $ for them, BUT the end sell price is not solely set by their manufacturing and overhead costs alone. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 5:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters On Mon,5/18/2015 12:48 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > There is nothing sacred about 11-14V for any of those functions. > Simple solar and battery power systems can handle higher voltages - AND having to buy equipment to support those higher voltages. Most of us have vehicles with 13.8V systems, big deep discharge batteries are a mass market item, and thus inexpensive. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon May 18 22:48:23 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 19:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Stolen at Hamvention In-Reply-To: <1432000704044-7603246.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432000704044-7603246.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <555AA477.9020909@foothill.net> OK Jerry, it's on a post-it on the monitor. Really sorry, never had my or our identity stolen and I encrypt any sensitive info I keep on the computer, but I do know what a PITA that is. Also amazing how the subject of these email threads can drift. I would take Eric's moderator job only when my only other choice was Aide to Gen. Custer. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/18/2015 6:58 PM, Jerry wrote: > Greeting all, > > I've got the correct S/N from Elecraft this afternoon. It is S/N 6168. There > has been a lot of chatter about this incident, and my intent was not create > a very long thread. Here is what happened: > 1. The radio was in a small fabric bag in the trunk with other things. I > don't believe the thief knew what he had grabbed at the time. > > 2. The thief also grabbed a portable computer which had some very sensitive > and excellent information that someone could use to steal my identify. The > entire hard drive was encrypted using Windows 8.1 Pro Bitlocker. No need to > discuss the pros or cons - I am not concerned about the KX3. What I am > concerned about is the computer. Catch the KX3 and then I may get the > computer back. If that happens and the encryption is still not tampered > with, then my life suddenly gets so much better. I have spent the majority > of the last two days doing damage control changing accounts passwords etc. > It's a good exercise that has made me so much more appreciative of the pain > that others who have suffer from ID thief. My fortune is; I have not been > hit yet and by tomorrow, I will have this all under control. > > 3. So my request to all of hams is this: if you come across this KX3 in your > wanderings about the internet or anywhere, please give me a phone call (not > e-mail) at 540-583-0475. > > Best regards, > > Jerry Knowlton, W1IE From rcrgs at verizon.net Mon May 18 23:12:41 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 03:12:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft quality In-Reply-To: <555A8605.4090802@nycap.rr.com> References: <555A8605.4090802@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <555AAA29.3070506@verizon.net> Have to second the above. The radio's electronics speak for themselves. That said, what blew me away - and still does - is the above mentioned precision mechanical fit and tolerances. When I put my K2 together and every kit since then, I was constantly amazed that all holes lined up perfectly, and I do mean perfectly. Given the excellence of the electronics one might expect that the mechanicals would have gotten a so-so treatment. Not so! Like two mirrors reflecting each other with nothing in between to mar the reflections. When I think of it, it's not so surprising since excellence begets excellence. If you happen to browsing this list to get a feel for the product, look no further. This is it! ... robert On 5/19/2015 00:38, Bill wrote: > Yes! Elecraft is amazing in the mechanical quality of fit and finish. I > also think the K3 is amazing in all the other aspects also. When you > look at what you get for the dollar - it beats the competition hands > down. Not just for rigs of equal value - but, for rigs costing much more. > > Upgrading is continual - so the K3 is always up to date. If you have a > problem, help is just a phone call away. Help that is real help, not > just someone turning the pages of the scripted call center manual. > > Halleluiah - and pass the pitcher! > > Bill W2BLC L-Line > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From dave at onitap.com Tue May 19 00:09:57 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 04:09:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Programmer's Reference? Message-ID: <1432094986303.14156@onitap.com> Howdy, Page 22 of the PX3 manual mentions that the remote commands for the PX3 are documented in the "PX3 Programmer's Reference." But I don't see that available on the elecraft site, just the P3 one. Is the PX3 version available anywhere? Thanks. -David N9PBJ From woodr90 at gmail.com Tue May 19 00:49:48 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 23:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> Wayne - in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig??? W5AJ Robert -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM To: Jack Brindle Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as the original RS232 jack on the K3. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. > There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few > others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few > handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements. > > RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. > > - JackB, W6FB > >> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >> >> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >> >> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines the signals. >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin jack. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jackbrindle at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 05:21:57 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Frank via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 02:21:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection Message-ID: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. Frank KG6N From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue May 19 07:46:13 2015 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 06:46:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Remote In-Reply-To: <64E8A769-6B9A-4BFB-A17A-B16BD167CACF@woh.rr.com> References: <64E8A769-6B9A-4BFB-A17A-B16BD167CACF@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I also saw that at Dayton, but that also requires a computer at the remote location, which I would like to avoid. What I am looking for is a KX3 controlling a KX3 directly (perhaps using RemoteRig) like the manual proposes. A computer would work, but presents another raft of issues that I wold rather not deal with. 73, Mike W0AG On May 18, 2015 8:20 PM, "Steve" wrote: > Mike, > Fresh in my mind from Hamvention, I believe Pignology has the technology > available today: > http://pignology.net/pigremote/ > > Steve > aa8af > > > On May 18, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > Was just browsing thru the KX3 manual and happened upon a section that says > a KX3 can (maybe, someday?) be used to control a remote KX3 via the > internet. That's exactly what I would be looking for but cannot find > anything further. Anyone have any info on this or similar possibilities > for remoting a KX3? > > Mike - W0AG > > > From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Tue May 19 08:08:11 2015 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:08:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem In-Reply-To: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> References: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> Message-ID: <1432037291625-7603255.post@n2.nabble.com> I can't turn my Fast Monitor off. Serial # is 71xx, firmware is 5.14, and Tech Mode is on. When I try to change it reads N/A and the Fast does not change. What can I do? Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-SSB-Speech-Compression-problem-tp7603234p7603255.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kenk3iu at cox.net Tue May 19 08:22:14 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:22:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB Speech Compression problem In-Reply-To: References: <03b501d091be$5c2e8230$148b8690$@aol.com> Message-ID: <555B2AF6.20701@cox.net> Change to one of the SSB modes. Not Applicable to other modes. 73, Ken K3IU On 5/19/2015 8:08 AM, KK5IB wrote: > I can't turn my Fast Monitor off. Serial # is 71xx, firmware is 5.14, and > Tech Mode is on. When I try to change it reads N/A and the Fast does not > change. What can I do? > Darryl, KK5IB > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-SSB-Speech-Compression-problem-tp7603234p7603255.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue May 19 08:27:52 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:27:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters In-Reply-To: References: <55562286.3000600@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555899BC.7010708@subich.com> <5558C3A9.6090408@audiosystemsgroup.com> <55594E84.2050007@subich.com> <55599433.8010606@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5559DDD0.60406@subich.com> <555A14F8.6020403@audiosystemsgroup.com> <555A41FA.8040500@subich.com> <555A83DF.9000204@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1432038472171-7603256.post@n2.nabble.com> This is more entertaining than the Mayfield-Pacquiao fight! Who will get the last word? 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Data-mode-and-filters-tp7602310p7603256.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Tue May 19 08:36:55 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:36:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555B2E67.5080104@triconet.org> I don't even know whether the front connector works. On 5/19/2015 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > Frank KG6N > ______________________________________________________________ > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 19 08:39:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:39:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555B2EF7.8040106@embarqmail.com> Robert, That is unchanged, it comes with the 2.7kHz filter - same as the K3. You can swap it for the 2.8 kHz 8 pole filter if desired, and you can add up to 4 more filters in both the main RX and the subRX. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/19/2015 12:49 AM, Robert Wood wrote: > Wayne - in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig??? > > From pincon at erols.com Tue May 19 08:42:24 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:42:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear References: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96C0D7DAE5B143028908AD2D2FE5C279@compaqlaptop> I remember growing up in Forestville Maryland in the 50's & 60's. Just about everybody left their doors open in the summer, or at least unlocked even if you left the house for a quick shopping trip. A friend of mine and I have that sort of relationship. We're both hams and the very LAST thing either of us would do is pilfer anything from the other. We need to have that same attitude for everybody we come in contact with. The root of our problems today is a complete breakdown of morality in our society. I won't point any fingers, but I think you can guess what I feel is the cause and which groups are most responsibile for this decline. All of us "seniors" remember this mindset, where you could leave your windows open at a hamfest without fear of any unwanted "perp" activity. I'm not sure if we can ever get back to that, so it's lock your doors, take anything of value out of your vehicle and get a CWP if your state allows. 73, Charlie k3ICH From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 19 08:46:39 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:46:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555B30AF.8050509@embarqmail.com> I have never heard of any such problem with using the rear panel mic and phone jacks. A statement like that would make me wonder about the construction and quality of the headset. K9YC would say that there is a 'pin 1' problem with the rear jacks, but that same 'pin 1 problem' exists on the front panel mic jack as well because the jacks are grounded to the board but not to the enclosure. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/19/2015 5:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 19 08:49:39 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:49:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> 2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3). The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > > Wayne - in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig??? > > W5AJ Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM > To: Jack Brindle > Cc: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question > > To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable > with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as > the original RS232 jack on the K3. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> >> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the > connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. >> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few >> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few >> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as > long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements. >> >> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, > including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. >> >> - JackB, W6FB >> >>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >>> >>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. > Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested > to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >>> >>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines > the signals. >>> >>> David K0LUM >>> >>> >>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> >>>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for > Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even > imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin > jack. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> jackbrindle at me.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 19 08:53:05 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:53:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25867F62-C551-49BF-8389-B39F84B299CB@elecraft.com> The manufacturer is mistaken. We will contact them to correct this misconception. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > Frank KG6N > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 19 08:57:45 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 05:57:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> Further on this - We have hundreds of users ( and possibly thousands) happily using the rear panel mic connector with the Heil Headsets. It is the preferred connection for many. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > Frank KG6N > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w7bv at comcast.net Tue May 19 09:05:51 2015 From: w7bv at comcast.net (Robert S. McCuskey) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 06:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Phonema KSP3 Speakers Message-ID: <000001d09234$888c5fc0$99a51f40$@comcast.net> [ELECRAFT] PHONEMA KSP3 SPEAKERS The Phonema KSP3 Speakers (www.phonemaspeakers.com ) are well made, match the K3 in color and height, and have excellent sound. They are made in Barcelona, Spain by EA3OW who responded immediately to my request for pricing and my subsequent order and related correspondence. I purchased a pair of the speakers and had the speakers shipped via the Spanish Postal Service which does not require provision of one's social security or passport number as do some shippers in Europe. In addition, the Spanish Postal Service provides a tracking number via the US Postal Service. Delivery took almost two weeks. I have been very pleased with the quality and volume of sound when listening to cw, ssb, or am signals. . My only criticism is that the speakers come with a fixed wire bail that replaces the front feet if one wishes to have the speakers inclined along with the K3. A folding bail similar to that used on the K3 and P3 would be a good improvement and provide better flexibility. Bob McCuskey, W7BV From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Tue May 19 09:23:38 2015 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:23:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Lots of successful Yamaha CM500 users utilize the rear connections, too. 73, Tony K4QE On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > Further on this - We have hundreds of users ( and possibly thousands) > happily using the rear panel mic connector with the Heil Headsets. It is > the preferred connection for many. > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic > to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the > headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground > loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on > the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to > free up the front of the rig. > > > > Frank KG6N > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 19 09:24:39 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 06:24:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: <96C0D7DAE5B143028908AD2D2FE5C279@compaqlaptop> References: <367970226.1516685.1431973195157.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <96C0D7DAE5B143028908AD2D2FE5C279@compaqlaptop> Message-ID: <06B12BF0-6950-4061-9203-6DA45E7EEB49@elecraft.com> This thread was closed yesterday. 73, Eric List moderator, I think! elecraft.com _..._ > On May 19, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > I remember growing up in Forestville Maryland in the 50's & 60's. Just about everybody left their doors open in the summer, or at least unlocked even if you left the house for a quick shopping trip. ........ snip > > From k4cia at earthlink.net Tue May 19 09:30:33 2015 From: k4cia at earthlink.net (Bill McDowell) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 losses vs KAT3A Message-ID: <8346703.1432042234024.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The new KAT3A tuner has a relay bypass that results in lower losses. What are the losses in the old KAT3 without a relay? And do the losses occur when using a matched antenna with the old KAT3 NOT engaged. The statement: "Lower loss on bands where matched antennas are used." is a little cryptic to me with respect to the KAT3A version. Are the losses in the old version present irrespective of the tuner being inline or not? Clarification would be appreciated. 73 Bill, K4CIA From ingerassociates at cox.net Tue May 19 10:04:16 2015 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? Message-ID: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first K3's started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year production started. 73 to All. David K6SBA From inventor61 at gmail.com Tue May 19 10:04:44 2015 From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what I got and what I might want Message-ID: My K3 # 6108 is getting the the new synth boards, the higher current output mod for the phono jack, and the new transverter module with the built in preamp for 24 MHz and up. That'll be a pretty good refresh. I didn't see much else in the K3S that wetted my whistle. I have a P3 and could also be interested in the new TX monitor, freeing up my LP100 for shop use, and giving me a better view of my TX signal than occasionally dragging my 'scope upstairs to look. However, I wasn't able to get to Dayton. I could not view the new P3 TX monitor function 'live' ... and the screen shots on the FAQ sheet are not useful to me. I would like to suggest that a short video be made of the unit, live, in operation. The switching back-and-forth of this single P3 screen from RX to TX, for digital, voice, and CW modes, could be disconcerting enough to me to rethink the possible purchase and make me look again at the costly but really neat LP500. If that ever actually ships. Steve KZ1X From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue May 19 10:09:27 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:09:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 losses vs KAT3A In-Reply-To: <8346703.1432042234024.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8346703.1432042234024.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > On May 19, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Bill McDowell wrote: > > The new KAT3A tuner has a relay bypass that results in lower losses. What are the losses in the old KAT3 without a relay? And do the losses occur when using a matched antenna with the old KAT3 NOT engaged. The statement: "Lower loss on bands where matched antennas are used." is a little cryptic to me with respect to the KAT3A version. > > Are the losses in the old version present irrespective of the tuner being inline or not? > > Clarification would be appreciated. > Eric (or maybe one of the other Elecraft team) addressed this a few days ago. Apparently the KAT3 simply goes to a calculated ?50 ohm match? position when you put it in bypass, e.g., it?s still in-line, it?s just set for a 50 ohm match. Only there may be times when it does not get to the correct position, so if you?re not using an external tuner the KAT3?s position might not be optimum for a resonant antenna presenting a 50 ohm load. The KAT3A uses a hard relay bypass to get around this. I can?t say I?ve ever seen an issue related to this with my resonant antennas, but others may have. I?d think the losses would be small (low tenths of dB) in any case, and most likely not worth replacing the KAT3 unless you?re buying a new radio. YMMV Grant NQ5T From inventor61 at gmail.com Tue May 19 10:11:55 2015 From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:11:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] front panel mic jack Message-ID: Was reading the thread about headset connections on the K3. I can't even imagine using the front panel mic jack, and put a protective cap on mine immediately upon purchase. I assume it works, but it just takes up front panel space that could have been freed up for dedicated band switches, IMHO. I am happy with my Sennheiser PC350 headset and frequent, unsolicited 'great audio' comments. Steve KZ1X From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Tue May 19 10:17:30 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:17:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> Message-ID: I ordered my K3/10 during Visalia, 2007 (April). That was before fullscale production was up and running. I received it in late October, 2007. That K3 is s/n 24 in case it matters to someone. 73! matt W6NIA On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:04:16 -0700, you wrote: >I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first K3's >started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of >course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year >production started. > >73 to All. >David K6SBA >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From stew at ke4yh.com Tue May 19 10:23:20 2015 From: stew at ke4yh.com (Stew) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:23:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Serial Number Check for Elecraft gear In-Reply-To: References: <248620333.676694.1431910459137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <5559FD77.8080700@david-woolley.me.uk>, Message-ID: <555B4758.2040201@ke4yh.com> On 5/18/2015 1:44 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > If someone steals your radio, the thief is only partially to blame. > > Not a criticism, but a comment: I think I understand what you are driving at, but this strikes a nerve. The thief is totally to blame! We need to get rid of the 'partially-to-blame' attitudes in our society. While I grew up, there were no shades of gray when it came to honesty. We have let ourselves be brainwashed. (The thieves could also be gleaning info from the reflector.) > > Dick, n0ce > > > > > When I was stationed in Turkey, many years ago, If you were involved in a accident it was automatically partly your fault. The reasoning was; If you weren't there the accident couldn't have happened. Stew, ke4yh From lists at subich.com Tue May 19 10:23:26 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:23:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 losses vs KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: <8346703.1432042234024.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <555B475E.7040209@subich.com> > I?d think the losses would be small (low tenths of dB) in any case, > and most likely not worth replacing the KAT3 unless you?re buying a > new radio. The "Tuner" portion of TLW calculates the loss in an L network (the KAT3) in the low *hundredths* of a dB for 50 Ohms to near 50 Ohms (50:50 is undefined). Wayne confirmed that was accurate for the KAT3. > Only there may be times when it does not get to the correct position, > so if you?re not using an external tuner the KAT3?s position might > not be optimum for a resonant antenna presenting a 50 ohm load. If your K3/KAT3 shows high SWR when working into a 50 Ohm load with the KAT3 bypassed, the easy solution is to enable the tuner, tune into a dummy load and then bypass the tuner. That process will reset the "bypass" settings. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-19 10:09 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > >> On May 19, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Bill McDowell >> wrote: >> >> The new KAT3A tuner has a relay bypass that results in lower >> losses. What are the losses in the old KAT3 without a relay? And >> do the losses occur when using a matched antenna with the old KAT3 >> NOT engaged. The statement: "Lower loss on bands where matched >> antennas are used." is a little cryptic to me with respect to the >> KAT3A version. >> >> Are the losses in the old version present irrespective of the tuner >> being inline or not? >> >> Clarification would be appreciated. >> > > Eric (or maybe one of the other Elecraft team) addressed this a few > days ago. > > Apparently the KAT3 simply goes to a calculated ?50 ohm match? > position when you put it in bypass, e.g., it?s still in-line, it?s > just set for a 50 ohm match. Only there may be times when it does > not get to the correct position, so if you?re not using an external > tuner the KAT3?s position might not be optimum for a resonant antenna > presenting a 50 ohm load. The KAT3A uses a hard relay bypass to get > around this. I can?t say I?ve ever seen an issue related to this > with my resonant antennas, but others may have. > > I?d think the losses would be small (low tenths of dB) in any case, > and most likely not worth replacing the KAT3 unless you?re buying a > new radio. > > YMMV > > Grant NQ5T > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Tue May 19 10:29:51 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:29:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <555B2E67.5080104@triconet.org> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <555B2E67.5080104@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1432045791.8450.144.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Same here, using the rear connector, and all is well... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 05:36 -0700, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I don't even know whether the front connector works. > > On 5/19/2015 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > > > Frank KG6N > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 19 10:30:02 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? Message-ID: Mine iis 642, mid-2008 I think Fred K6DGW Matt Zilmer wrote: >I ordered my K3/10 during Visalia, 2007 (April). That was before >fullscale production was up and running. I received it in late >October, 2007. That K3 is s/n 24 in case it matters to someone. > >73! >matt >W6NIA > >On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:04:16 -0700, you wrote: > >>I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first K3's >>started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of >>course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year >>production started. >> >>73 to All. >>David K6SBA >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >-- >"Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From dave at nk7z.net Tue May 19 10:31:49 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1432045909.8450.145.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Been using Heil from day one, using rear connector, no issues of any kind. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 05:57 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Further on this - We have hundreds of users ( and possibly thousands) happily using the rear panel mic connector with the Heil Headsets. It is the preferred connection for many. > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > > > Frank KG6N > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n5ge at n5ge.com Tue May 19 10:41:32 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Eric, If the filters are the same, then I would guess that the sub rx from a K3 will feel at home in a K3s. Is that correct? Amateur Radio Operator N5GE On Tue, 19 May 2015 05:49:39 -0700, you wrote: >2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3). > >The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz. > >73, > >Eric >elecraft.com >_..._ > > > >> On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood wrote: >> >> Wayne - in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig??? >> >> W5AJ Robert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne >> Burdick >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM >> To: Jack Brindle >> Cc: Elecraft List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question >> >> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable >> with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as >> the original RS232 jack on the K3. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com >> >>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>> >>> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the >> connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. >>> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few >>> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few >>> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as >> long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements. >>> >>> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, >> including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. >>> >>> - JackB, W6FB >>> >>>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >>>> >>>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. >> Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested >> to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >>>> >>>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines >> the signals. >>>> >>>> David K0LUM >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for >> Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even >> imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin >> jack. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> jackbrindle at me.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com From jim at rhodesend.net Tue May 19 10:43:46 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:43:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Remote In-Reply-To: References: <64E8A769-6B9A-4BFB-A17A-B16BD167CACF@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: The only issue I see with that is remote turn on/off. I haven't looked at what it would take to implement the remoterig hookup, but that would just be cabling. I have a remoterig pair (and a micro I picked up on a trip to Sweden) but have never gotten around to putting the rest of the equipment together. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Mike Murray wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I also saw that at Dayton, but that also requires a computer at the remote > location, which I would like to avoid. What I am looking for is a KX3 > controlling a KX3 directly (perhaps using RemoteRig) like the manual > proposes. A computer would work, but presents another raft of issues that > I wold rather not deal with. > > 73, > Mike W0AG > On May 18, 2015 8:20 PM, "Steve" wrote: > > > Mike, > > Fresh in my mind from Hamvention, I believe Pignology has the technology > > available today: > > http://pignology.net/pigremote/ > > > > Steve > > aa8af > > > > > > On May 18, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > > > Was just browsing thru the KX3 manual and happened upon a section that > says > > a KX3 can (maybe, someday?) be used to control a remote KX3 via the > > internet. That's exactly what I would be looking for but cannot find > > anything further. Anyone have any info on this or similar possibilities > > for remoting a KX3? > > > > Mike - W0AG > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Tue May 19 10:46:13 2015 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Production started in 2007 and they were up to 300 by January 2008. I remember a shared spreadsheet in 2007-2008 where new owners would enter their serial number, order and ship dates. Barry N1EU On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Fred C. Jensen wrote: > Mine iis 642, mid-2008 I think > > Fred K6DGW > > Matt Zilmer wrote: > >I ordered my K3/10 during Visalia, 2007 (April). That was before > >fullscale production was up and running. I received it in late > >October, 2007. That K3 is s/n 24 in case it matters to someone. > > > >73! > >matt > >W6NIA > > > >On Tue, 19 May 2015 07:04:16 -0700, you wrote: > > > >>I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first > K3's > >>started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of > >>course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year > >>production started. > >> > >>73 to All. > >>David K6SBA > >>______________________________________________________________ > >>Elecraft mailing list > >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > >Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > >-- > >"Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein > > > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > From indians at xsmail.com Tue May 19 10:46:59 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:46:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1432046819064-7603282.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, mine is #778 from mid 2008 also. 73 - Petr, OK1RP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-When-Did-the-Original-K3-Start-Shipping-tp7603278p7603282.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ny9h at arrl.net Tue May 19 10:53:15 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <1432045909.8450.145.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> <1432045909.8450.145.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: I have used a Sennheiser HMD280.... (very expensive) and a 6$ electret computer headset.... both sound great, But the Sennheiser feels better on the ears...... bill /3 At 10:31 AM 5/19/2015, you wrote: >Been using Heil from day one, using rear connector, no issues of any >kind. >-- >Thanks and 73's, >For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >www.nk7z.net >for MixW support see; >http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >for Dopplergram information see: >http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >for MM-SSTV see: >http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > >On Tue, 2015-05-19 at 05:57 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Further on this - We have hundreds of users ( and possibly > thousands) happily using the rear panel mic connector with the Heil > Headsets. It is the preferred connection for many. > > > > 73, > > > > Eric > > elecraft.com > > _..._ > > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft > wrote: > > > > > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset > boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The > manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to > the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any > experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to > the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > > > > > Frank KG6N > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net From n5ge at n5ge.com Tue May 19 10:56:03 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:56:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: None at all (sn 806 and sn 1055). On Tue, 19 May 2015 02:21:57 -0700, you wrote: >I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > >Frank KG6N >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com Amateur Radio Operator N5GE From paulnf8j at gmail.com Tue May 19 11:03:05 2015 From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:03:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <1432046819064-7603282.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432046819064-7603282.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I received K3 # 758 in May of 2008, a week before Dayton... NF8J Paul On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:46 AM, ok1rp wrote: > Hi, > > mine is #778 from mid 2008 also. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Elecraft-When-Did-the-Original-K3-Start-Shipping-tp7603278p7603282.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to paulnf8j at gmail.com > From djcarohmer at ntin.net Tue May 19 11:03:58 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555B50DE.8010305@ntin.net> My K3 has a modified David Clark headset connected to the rear panel jacks. So far, no reports of anything that would indicate a ground loop problem. Dwayne WV5I On 5/19/2015 4:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > Frank KG6N > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to djcarohmer at ntin.net > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 11:08:19 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> Correct. And it's "K3S", not "K3s" :) Wayne N6KR On May 19, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote: > Eric, > > If the filters are the same, then I would guess that the sub rx from a > K3 will feel at home in a K3s. > > Is that correct? > > Amateur Radio Operator > N5GE > > On Tue, 19 May 2015 05:49:39 -0700, you wrote: > >> 2.7 kHz 5-pole. ( The same as the original K3). >> >> The DSP filter cascades after the crystal filter and can go down to 50 Hz. >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> _..._ >> >> >> >>> On May 18, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Robert Wood wrote: >>> >>> Wayne - in K3s - what's the standard filter(s) that come with the rig??? >>> >>> W5AJ Robert >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne >>> Burdick >>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:22 AM >>> To: Jack Brindle >>> Cc: Elecraft List >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s question >>> >>> To ensure compatibility with existing stations, we supply an adapter cable >>> with the K3S to convert from RJ45 to DE9. The DE9 end has the same pinout as >>> the original RS232 jack on the K3. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ---- >>> http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>>> >>>> Not quite true. The EI232 spec as it is now called does indeed define the >>> connector and pinouts in addition to signals and levels. >>>> There are definitions included for DB-25, DE-9, RJ-45 and maybe a few >>>> others. Few vendors meet the entire spec, usually leaving out a few >>>> handshake signals. But, this still allows them to claim spec compliance as >>> long as the signal levels meet the spec requirements. >>>> >>>> RJ-45 serial ports have been shipped by a large number of vendors, >>> including Sun Microsystems, HP and others. >>>> >>>> - JackB, W6FB >>>> >>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, David Christ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The of an RJ-45 jack for a serial port is hardly innovative nor new. >>> Lantronix has been using them for well over 15 years. I will be interested >>> to see if Elecraft uses the same pin assignments. >>>>> >>>>> Remember, RS-232 is not a physical connector specification. It defines >>> the signals. >>>>> >>>>> David K0LUM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> That is an RJ-45 jack. Even though the RJ-45 jack is also used for >>> Ethernet, the fact that an RJ-45 jack is present does not state (or even >>> imply) that it is an Ethernet connection - it is simply a compact 8 pin >>> jack. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> Don W3FPR >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> jackbrindle at me.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> n6kr at elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >>> delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From giw at bellsouth.net Tue May 19 11:04:56 2015 From: giw at bellsouth.net (giw at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor Message-ID: <85BBF4AE2CCA4EF7A71B40AD61BFAA29@UserPC> After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed that the new monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at the transmit audio in the pass band in the same manner as it does for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this capability. On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive and on transmit the scope freezes. I have been told this occurs when a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent poor connection. The same thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3. I am also told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case the strength of the stray pickup, when it occurs, has always been enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal could be increased or amplified. It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow the P3 to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit, in a new mode it would allow your own audio to display in the pass band instead of the new SSB view. It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open and close the line. This would only be used when working with your own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to take the P3 back to where it is now. Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this area??? Wayne, Eric or Al any comment please. From k1ep.list at gmail.com Tue May 19 11:08:38 2015 From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:08:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> Message-ID: I received the very first customer K3 on October 10, 2007. The K3/10 was operational the night of October 10. The 100 watt amp was added the evening of October 11, 2007 and was operational the next morning, Friday October 12, 2007. Ed K1EP On May 19, 2015 10:09 AM, "David Inger" wrote: > I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first > K3's > started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of > course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year > production started. > > 73 to All. > David K6SBA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue May 19 11:23:44 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould, K8WXA) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:23:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Foot pedal ptt switch with KX3 Message-ID: How would I go about attaching a foot pedal switch to my KX3 for PTT to use with a headset? Most pedals I've seen have a 1/4" plug while the adaptor for the ACC2 port has a 3.5mm jack. Could I use an adaptor for that jack or possibly cut the 1/4" plug off and wire in a 3.5mm plug? I'm planning ahead for future upgrades to the station. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 OMISS # 9948 4SQRP # 990 This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses From davidahrendts at me.com Tue May 19 11:29:21 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:29:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Foot pedal ptt switch with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E26E44-302F-4F8F-AB67-66BAAC113160@me.com> Joshua, with the Heil foot pedal, cable and microphone, the cable has an added plug for the foot pedal. Even if you home brew, much easier than using the precious ACC2 port. I?m sure someone on the list could give you the tip-ring-sleeve pins for a home brew right from the the much 3.5mm jack. Best. David A., KC0XT > On May 19, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote: > > How would I go about attaching a foot pedal switch to my KX3 for PTT to use with a headset? Most pedals I've seen have a 1/4" plug while the adaptor for the ACC2 port has a 3.5mm jack. Could I use an adaptor for that jack or possibly cut the 1/4" plug off and wire in a 3.5mm plug? > > I'm planning ahead for future upgrades to the station. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7480 > NAQCC # 7704 > OMISS # 9948 > 4SQRP # 990 > > This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From hans.h.vollmer at t-online.de Tue May 19 11:32:54 2015 From: hans.h.vollmer at t-online.de (Hans H Vollmer) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:32:54 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? Message-ID: <555B57A6.3030605@t-online.de> *K3 #536* ordered: july 18th 2007 shipped: march 3rd 2008 73 de Hans, DF5SR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 17:40:32 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:40:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3, PX3, KXPA100 Message-ID: <555BADD0.10500@aol.com> For Sale: KX3 with MH3 Microphone, KX3-PCKT Cable set, KXAT3 Tuner, End Panels, LEXAN Cover $1000 + Shipping PX3 $400 + Shipping KXAT100 with KXAT100 Tuner, KXPACBL Cable Set $850.00 + Shipping Payment via PayPal Thanks, Doug -- K0DXV From mvolstad at twc.com Tue May 19 11:56:30 2015 From: mvolstad at twc.com (mvolstad at twc.com) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:56:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Internet Wayback Machine Message-ID: <20150519155630.JTVKI.140934.root@dnvrco-web14> After seeing recent questions on the reflector such as "When did the K3 start shipping?" and "How much did the K3 sell for on ?", it occurs to me that not everyone may be familiar with the Internet Wayback Machine. This very cool web site preserves snapshots of many web sites at particular moments in time. You can view these sites just as they appeared on the date(s) in question. Ever wonder what the Elecraft web site looked like in 1998? Check it out yourself by clicking the blue dot on December 2 in the calendar: http://web.archive.org/web/19980101000000*/http://elecraft.com You can select other years from the graphic at the top of the page and witness the evolution of our favorite manufacturer of ham radio equipment. 73, Mark AI4BJ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 19 12:02:40 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:02:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555B5EA0.8060907@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/19/2015 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. This manufacturer is badly mistaken. There is no technical basis to his advice. Many of us have used boom mic headsets like the Yamaha with the rear panel connectors for years. 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue May 19 12:04:20 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Foot pedal ptt switch with KX3 In-Reply-To: <55E26E44-302F-4F8F-AB67-66BAAC113160@me.com> References: <55E26E44-302F-4F8F-AB67-66BAAC113160@me.com> Message-ID: You can make your own, but a regular stereo to mono breakout cable works fine. Plug the mic into the side that goes to tip, the PTT switch into the side connected to ring. I use this one: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000068O5H/ 1/4 to 3.5mm adaptors are widely available. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 19, 2015, at 8:29 AM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Joshua, with the Heil foot pedal, cable and microphone, the cable has an added plug for the foot pedal. Even if you home brew, much easier than using the precious ACC2 port. I?m sure someone on the list could give you the tip-ring-sleeve pins for a home brew right from the the much 3.5mm jack. Best. > > David A., KC0XT > >> On May 19, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote: >> >> How would I go about attaching a foot pedal switch to my KX3 for PTT to use with a headset? Most pedals I've seen have a 1/4" plug while the adaptor for the ACC2 port has a 3.5mm jack. Could I use an adaptor for that jack or possibly cut the 1/4" plug off and wire in a 3.5mm plug? >> >> I'm planning ahead for future upgrades to the station. >> >> 72, >> Joshua Gould >> K8WXA >> EM89pn >> >> KX3# 7480 >> NAQCC # 7704 >> OMISS # 9948 >> 4SQRP # 990 >> >> This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Tue May 19 12:15:44 2015 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:15:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Foot pedal ptt switch with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555B61B0.9070002@gmail.com> Joshua, I'd just make up my own with some cable and the desired connector. I just made one for $13 with a nice switch from Amazon. Very nicely built and heavy enough to not slide around. Has rubber pads on top and bottom. You provide your own wire and connector. Works well and is small enough to pack up easily. Search for: Linemaster T-91-S Treadlite II Foot Switch http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002P4XREA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Warren, KD4Z On 5/19/2015 11:23 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote: > How would I go about attaching a foot pedal switch to my KX3 for PTT to use with a headset? Most pedals I've seen have a 1/4" plug while the adaptor for the ACC2 port has a 3.5mm jack. Could I use an adaptor for that jack or possibly cut the 1/4" plug off and wire in a 3.5mm plug? > > I'm planning ahead for future upgrades to the station. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7480 > NAQCC # 7704 > OMISS # 9948 > 4SQRP # 990 > > This message was sent from an iPhone. Please excuse any typos and the brevity of responses > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hullspeed21 at gmail.com From k9ztv at socket.net Tue May 19 12:17:11 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:17:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <555B6207.70909@socket.net> K3 serial number 0021 . . . Ordered in April, 2007 Received in October, 2007 Kit version. Was asked to critique and proof assembly manual and forward comments to Elecraft's manual editor. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 5/19/2015 10:08 AM, Ed K1EP wrote: > I received the very first customer K3 on October 10, 2007. The K3/10 was > operational the night of October 10. The 100 watt amp was added the evening > of October 11, 2007 and was operational the next morning, Friday October > 12, 2007. > Ed K1EP From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Tue May 19 12:28:45 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:28:45 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> Message-ID: <555B64BD.7080300@horizon.co.fk> Late 2007. I have 00345 invoice dated 01 Feb 2008 Regards, Mike VP8NO On 19/05/2015 11:04, David Inger wrote: > I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first K3's > started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of > course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year > production started. > > 73 to All. > David K6SBA From nate.oo at gmail.com Tue May 19 12:37:06 2015 From: nate.oo at gmail.com (Nate Burr) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:37:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3S IF Range for transverters Message-ID: <2E16B5EE-EFB5-4924-9E1C-215AA9726338@gmail.com> I was wondering if the K3S has any new updates to it?s IF range for transverter use. I would love to be able to get on the full 70cm (420 - 450MHz). My understanding is the K3 + XV432 only gives me 432 - 434 MHz Thanks, Nate KG7PXY From bbaines at mac.com Tue May 19 12:43:36 2015 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> References: <4CEFC601-1BB1-482E-A3BE-77E0D41C28F2@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Edd: I don?t believe anyone has yet responded to your query. I?m not home yet from Hamvention, so I?m not in front of either my K3 (in Georgia) or my K3/Mini (in Massachusetts) to verify settings. Here are some things to check based upon memory? I presume you have your ?remote? (station) powered speakers attached to the ?speaker out? jack in the back of the K3. You have several options: 1. Power off the speakers before you leave the shack. My speakers have a power switch. 2. Assuming that you forgot to turn off your speakers and you want to turn off audio remotely, using the K3 Mini go into menu options and see if you have ?SP + PH? (speakers and phone jack) turned on. If so, select ?PH?. That will turn off audio from going to the speakers at the remote (station) site. This will not impact either the internal speakers of the K3/Mini or the external speaker connection of the K3/Mini. Hope this helps, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Westborough, MA Folkston, GA (Currently in Deshler, OH) > On May 17, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Edward Seeliger wrote: > > How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. > I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. > Thanks for any help! > Edd KD5M > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue May 19 12:43:40 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:43:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <555B64BD.7080300@horizon.co.fk> References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> <555B64BD.7080300@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <555B683C.10305@elecraft.com> October 2007 for first regular customer production shipments. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 5/19/2015 9:28 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > Late 2007. I have 00345 invoice dated 01 Feb 2008 > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 19/05/2015 11:04, David Inger wrote: >> I was having a discussion with a friend centering on the date the first K3's >> started going out the door. I have an "early" model (fully updated of >> course!) with a sub-600 serial number, but I can't remember which year >> production started. >> >> 73 to All. >> David K6SBA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From ingerassociates at cox.net Tue May 19 12:45:21 2015 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:45:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <636B0F8BD492445CB23905FCBE50FBC4@DELLXPS> Thanks to all those who responded to my inquiry. My K3 is #565, so it came into this world in the Spring of 2008 (or there abouts). Over the years I have spent about $3500 on the K3/P3 combo, including upgrades (I'm not adding in the KPA500 or KAT500 since these are standalone and could be used with any HF rig). So $3500 divided by 7 years = $500 per year of ownership. What a deal! My bicycling addiction is way more expensive. I am now feeling guilty that I have not "donated" enough money to care for the struggling waifs at Elecraft. Thank goodness the K3s came around just in time for me to consider a contribution to my favorite RF charity. 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 12:54:29 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 09:54:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3S IF Range for transverters In-Reply-To: <2E16B5EE-EFB5-4924-9E1C-215AA9726338@gmail.com> References: <2E16B5EE-EFB5-4924-9E1C-215AA9726338@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F08CB3D-E3F8-461C-8A78-E4FCDAD68EC9@elecraft.com> Hi Nate, The RF range for transverters is limited by the band selected as the IF. The K3 and K3S both have an IF range of 28-30 on 10 meters. There's a possibility of opening this up somewhat by using the KBPF3 filters rather than the 10-meter filter. But there's no way to get all of 420-450 MHz. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 19, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Nate Burr wrote: > I was wondering if the K3S has any new updates to it?s IF range for transverter use. I would love to be able to get on the full 70cm (420 - 450MHz). > > My understanding is the K3 + XV432 only gives me 432 - 434 MHz > > Thanks, > Nate > KG7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 19 13:10:22 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:10:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555B6E7E.4010505@foothill.net> "89.34% of the population makes up their own statistics." :-) I have to assume that the manufacturer in this case is making up his own "facts." I've used the rear connector exclusively with no such problem ... ever. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who uses the rear jacks. I wish the front panel jack wasn't there and the space used for a couple or three additional buttons for assignment of macros. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/19/2015 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom > mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer > of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential > for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with > ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? > I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. From eseeliger at earthlink.net Tue May 19 13:11:18 2015 From: eseeliger at earthlink.net (Edward Seeliger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:11:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig Message-ID: <3244302.1432055479319.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Barry! I think that #2 probably should do it - I'll give it a try. Edd KD5M -----Original Message----- >From: Barry Baines >Sent: May 19, 2015 12:43 PM >To: Edward Seeliger >Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and RemoteRig > >Edd: > >I don?t believe anyone has yet responded to your query. I?m not home yet from Hamvention, so I?m not in front of either my K3 (in Georgia) or my K3/Mini (in Massachusetts) to verify settings. Here are some things to check based upon memory? > >I presume you have your ?remote? (station) powered speakers attached to the ?speaker out? jack in the back of the K3. You have several options: > >1. Power off the speakers before you leave the shack. My speakers have a power switch. > >2. Assuming that you forgot to turn off your speakers and you want to turn off audio remotely, using the K3 Mini go into menu options and see if you have ?SP + PH? (speakers and phone jack) turned on. If so, select ?PH?. That will turn off audio from going to the speakers at the remote (station) site. This will not impact either the internal speakers of the K3/Mini or the external speaker connection of the K3/Mini. > >Hope this helps, > >Barry Baines, WD4ASW >Westborough, MA >Folkston, GA >(Currently in Deshler, OH) > > >> On May 17, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Edward Seeliger wrote: >> >> How can you adjust (or mute) the local audio on the controlled K3 while using the K3 Mini through the Remote Rig boxes? I have found that the remote K3 Mini will change the controlled K3 audio with its volume control but the level is too loud locally. >> I have a controlled K3 in my shack that I use when home that is connected to a RemoteRig box - I want to mute the local audio when using the K3 Mini while away so I don't disturb (frighten) my family. >> Thanks for any help! >> Edd KD5M >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com > From K2TK at att.net Tue May 19 13:15:32 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <20150519145349.5D04BCE593E@mailman.qth.net> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> <1432045909.8450.145.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <20150519145349.5D04BCE593E@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <555B6FB4.5060201@att.net> A really comfortable and great sounding headset. The boom mike is the expensive part. As a plain headset, HD280, it is 1/3 the cost. $83 at Amazon and I have seen factory refurbished for under $50. Used with a desk mike or on CW. The well known Yamaha CM500 when I use a boom mike. 73, Bob K2TK On 5/19/2015 10:53 AM, bill wrote: > > I have used a Sennheiser HMD280.... (very expensive) > and a 6$ electret computer headset.... > both sound great, > But the Sennheiser feels better on the ears...... > > bill /3 > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 13:43:59 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (RIchard Williams via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <555B6E7E.4010505@foothill.net> References: <555B6E7E.4010505@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1287192111.820027.1432057439026.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have never used the front panel mic connector on the home station (except to do a mic test). ?Never had any problems with using it. Dick, K8ZTT From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection "89.34% of the population makes up their own statistics." :-)? I have to assume that the manufacturer in this case is making up his own "facts." ? I've used the rear connector exclusively with no such problem ... ever.? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who uses the rear jacks.? I wish the front panel jack wasn't there and the space used for a couple or three additional buttons for assignment of macros. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/19/2015 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom > mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors.? The manufacturer > of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential > for ground loops on the mic side.? Has anyone had any experience with > ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? > I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue May 19 13:54:27 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <555B6FB4.5060201@att.net> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> <1432045909.8450.145.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <20150519145349.5D04BCE593E@mailman.qth.net> <555B6FB4.5060201@att.net> Message-ID: <27B8004E-BF67-4081-A540-5CEF2B3E7C6F@wunderwood.org> For less than $50, you can add a boom mic to any pair of headphones. http://www.modmic.com/collections/frontpage wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 19, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Bob wrote: > A really comfortable and great sounding headset. > > The boom mike is the expensive part. As a plain headset, > HD280, it is 1/3 the cost. $83 at Amazon and I have seen > factory refurbished for under $50. > > Used with a desk mike or on CW. The well known Yamaha > CM500 when I use a boom mike. > > 73, > Bob > K2TK > > > On 5/19/2015 10:53 AM, bill wrote: >> >> I have used a Sennheiser HMD280.... (very expensive) >> and a 6$ electret computer headset.... >> both sound great, >> But the Sennheiser feels better on the ears...... >> >> bill /3 >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 14:54:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (KE0AFG via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.4.11 In-Reply-To: References: <1431919467545-7603164.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432061640940-7603310.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Bill, Just double checked the "correct jack", that fixed it works fine now! I had a mini to micro adapter plugged in to the RX/IQ from when I was trying to get DSP Radio to work, switched the KXUSB cord to the ACC1 (as the manual clearly says to). At least I know all my drivers are up to date and I learned some UNIX commands. 73 Terry KE0AFG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KX3-Utility-for-OS-X-Revision-1-14-4-11-tp7603164p7603310.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From thomas at horsten.com Tue May 19 15:08:42 2015 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:08:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? Message-ID: Sorry if I haven't been following all the K3S stuff, I'm QRT at the moment due to having moved country and living in a flat, but I would want to buy a complete K3 to K3S upgrade kit for when I'm ready to get back on the air. Surely Wayne has that sorted, or on the drawing board? 73, Thomas OZ5TN (also M0TRN, AF7BE) From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 15:11:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor In-Reply-To: <85BBF4AE2CCA4EF7A71B40AD61BFAA29@UserPC> References: <85BBF4AE2CCA4EF7A71B40AD61BFAA29@UserPC> Message-ID: <762882020.2087411.1432062708838.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I also was disappointed as to not see that feature I would like to see that added? From: "giw at bellsouth.net" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:04 AM Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed? that the new monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at the transmit audio in the pass band? in the same manner as it does for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this capability. On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive and on transmit the scope freezes.? I have been told this occurs when a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent? poor connection.? The same thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3.? I am also told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case the strength of the stray? pickup, when it occurs, has always been enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal could be increased or amplified. It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow the P3? to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit,? in a new mode it would allow your own audio to display? in the pass band instead of the new SSB? view. It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open and close the line. This would only be used when working with your own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to take the P3 back to where it is now. Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this area???? Wayne, Eric? or Al any comment please. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue May 19 15:26:48 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 05:26:48 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be a little difficult, because which components you need to add depends on which components you already have in your existing K3 configuration. I think the best they can do is to summarise on an order page a list of which components may need to be added/upgraged, with information to explain under what conditions the new component will not be needed, and let the individual K3 owners decide which components they need to order. 73, Matt VK2RQ On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Thomas Horsten wrote: > Sorry if I haven't been following all the K3S stuff, I'm QRT at the moment > due to having moved country and living in a flat, but I would want to buy a > complete K3 to K3S upgrade kit for when I'm ready to get back on the air. > > Surely Wayne has that sorted, or on the drawing board? > > 73, Thomas OZ5TN (also M0TRN, AF7BE) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > From n4rp at n4rp.com Tue May 19 15:45:59 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf 73, Ross N4RP On 5/19/2015 3:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > That would be a little difficult, because which components you need to add > depends on which components you already have in your existing K3 > configuration. I think the best they can do is to summarise on an order > page a list of which components may need to be added/upgraged, with > information to explain under what conditions the new component will not be > needed, and let the individual K3 owners decide which components they need > to order. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > > On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Thomas Horsten wrote: > >> Sorry if I haven't been following all the K3S stuff, I'm QRT at the moment >> due to having moved country and living in a flat, but I would want to buy a >> complete K3 to K3S upgrade kit for when I'm ready to get back on the air. >> >> Surely Wayne has that sorted, or on the drawing board? >> >> 73, Thomas OZ5TN (also M0TRN, AF7BE) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From ReillyJF at comcast.net Tue May 19 15:49:22 2015 From: ReillyJF at comcast.net (John Reilly) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:49:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 100w Amplifier Message-ID: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w amplifier. Can anyone confirm this? - 73, John, N0TA From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue May 19 15:59:42 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 100w Amplifier Message-ID: Schematics for the K3S are not up yet or that would be an easy read. 73, Guy On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:49 PM, John Reilly wrote: > I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle > the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w > amplifier. > > Can anyone confirm this? > - 73, John, N0TA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From esteptony at gmail.com Tue May 19 16:03:42 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> Message-ID: > > On 5/19/2015 3:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > >> ....which components you need to add >> depends on which components you already have... >> > ============ According to emails I exchanged with Elecraft sales, you can't completely convert a K3 into a K3S, although of course you can add all the modules mentioned in the FAQ. There are some new built-in features that are not in modules, as shown on the last page of the FAQ. Tony KT0NY From k2ttt at optonline.net Tue May 19 16:12:11 2015 From: k2ttt at optonline.net (K2TTT-Jay) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:12:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> Before I would consider doing any upgrades I would look carefully at the ones that Are currently available and those that "will be available later this year" I still love my K3 and the upgrades would only be icing on the cake but may Have a few more $calories$ than I can afford. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ross Primrose Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:46 PM To: Matt Maguire; Thomas Horsten Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf 73, Ross N4RP On 5/19/2015 3:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > That would be a little difficult, because which components you need to > add depends on which components you already have in your existing K3 > configuration. I think the best they can do is to summarise on an > order page a list of which components may need to be added/upgraged, > with information to explain under what conditions the new component > will not be needed, and let the individual K3 owners decide which > components they need to order. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > > On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Thomas Horsten wrote: > >> Sorry if I haven't been following all the K3S stuff, I'm QRT at the >> moment due to having moved country and living in a flat, but I would >> want to buy a complete K3 to K3S upgrade kit for when I'm ready to get back on the air. >> >> Surely Wayne has that sorted, or on the drawing board? >> >> 73, Thomas OZ5TN (also M0TRN, AF7BE) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> matt.vk2rq at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) "At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2ttt at optonline.net From jamesforsman at me.com Tue May 19 16:15:49 2015 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:15:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When Did the Original K3 Start Shipping? In-Reply-To: <555B6207.70909@socket.net> References: <178EBEE53BD244FB96AA9775D29F262C@DELLXPS> <555B6207.70909@socket.net> Message-ID: <3D208B02-FF56-4771-8DBE-7E002CB481D6@me.com> Hummm, visiting Elecraft?ssite, at, http://www.elecraft.com/about_elecraft.htm , the author(s) provide an answer. "With the introduction of the K3 HF transceiver in late 2007,?/" Is greater detail needed? 73, de Jim - K7BIE On May 19, 2015, at 9:17 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: K3 serial number 0021 . . . Ordered in April, 2007 Received in October, 2007 Kit version. Was asked to critique and proof assembly manual and forward comments to Elecraft's manual editor. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 5/19/2015 10:08 AM, Ed K1EP wrote: > I received the very first customer K3 on October 10, 2007. The K3/10 was > operational the night of October 10. The 100 watt amp was added the evening > of October 11, 2007 and was operational the next morning, Friday October > 12, 2007. > Ed K1EP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jamesforsman at me.com From esteptony at gmail.com Tue May 19 16:25:27 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:25:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> Message-ID: On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, K2TTT-Jay wrote: > ...I still love my K3 and the upgrades would only be icing on the cake... ============= To my surprise, I can still hear just as many signals on my K3 as I could before the K3S was announced. Tony KT0NY From thomas at horsten.com Tue May 19 16:29:29 2015 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 22:29:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> Message-ID: Indeed, and I also love my K3 for all the fun it's brought me so far. But I guess I've got to admit I've become a bit of an Elecraft "fanboy" and just have to own the best they can offer :) 73, Thomas OZ5TN On 19 May 2015 22:27, "Tony Estep" wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, K2TTT-Jay wrote: > > > ...I still love my K3 and the upgrades would only be icing on the cake... > > ============= > To my surprise, I can still hear just as many signals on my K3 as I could > before the K3S was announced. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thomas at horsten.com > From dhhdeh at comcast.net Tue May 19 16:42:00 2015 From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (David and Dianne on Comcast) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 16:42:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S Upgrade Questions for Elecraft Message-ID: <555BA018.9040505@comcast.net> Wayne, I have several questions for you as I consider the K3S upgrade decision in the near term. My early K3 (Feb 2008) has an early sub-receiver installed. I may be interested in purchasing a K3S but would like to use my current sub-receiver in the new K3S to keep the cost down. I believe you indicated earlier that it is compatible and is possible to do. So.... 1. Will my original sub-receiver's DSP board also work in the K3S? Will a new sub-receiver DSP board work with an original sub-receiver in the K3S? Any other considerations or suggestions? 2. Can you summarize the changes from the early KPA3's to the more recent KP3A? 3. Has the K3 mixer board and its circuit on the K3 RF board undergone any changes from the early K3's to the K3S? Your commentary will be appreciated. Thanks and 73 de N1LQ-Dave From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 19 16:46:58 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:46:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> Message-ID: <555BA142.2040108@foothill.net> And I just checked and mine still makes 100W of exceedingly clean RF, leading me to conclude that rumors of its rapid demise are somewhat exaggerated. On 5/19/2015 1:25 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 3:12 PM, K2TTT-Jay wrote: > >> ...I still love my K3 and the upgrades would only be icing on the cake... > > ============= > To my surprise, I can still hear just as many signals on my K3 as I could > before the K3S was announced. > > Tony KT0NY From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 16:59:55 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:59:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S Upgrade Questions for Elecraft In-Reply-To: <555BA018.9040505@comcast.net> References: <555BA018.9040505@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52AB353D-3D09-47E5-8971-B51293D29E85@elecraft.com> David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > I have several questions for you as I consider the K3S upgrade decision in the near term. > > My early K3 (Feb 2008) has an early sub-receiver installed. I may be interested in purchasing a K3S but would like to use my current sub-receiver in the new K3S to keep the cost down. I believe you indicated earlier that it is compatible and is possible to do. So.... > > 1. Will my original sub-receiver's DSP board also work in the K3S? Yes. > Will a new sub-receiver DSP board work with an original sub-receiver in the K3S? Yes. > Any other considerations or suggestions? No. The DSP board we're changing is the one for the main receiver/transmitter. That's the one that has the new AF circuitry on it. > 2. Can you summarize the changes from the early KPA3's to the more recent KP3A? The KPA3A uses different output devices that are more readily available. Otherwise specs are the same. > 3. Has the K3 mixer board and its circuit on the K3 RF board undergone any changes from the early K3's to the K3S? The K3 RF board has had a few minor updates, all covered by existing mod kits. The K3S adds an attenuator section (to provide 5/10/15 dB settings) and a completely revised layout using 4 layers to reduce noise pickup and improve port-to-port isolation. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 17:02:54 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:02:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 100w Amplifier In-Reply-To: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> References: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9E5CB118-7100-48E0-B5D3-1AD9DDF89FEB@elecraft.com> Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to P67B. There's a corresponding change to the KPAIO3A board. Since we changed to gold pins for all of these connectors, we haven't had any further issues with +12 VDC to the amplifier module. These extra pins are just for insurance. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, John Reilly wrote: > I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w amplifier. > > Can anyone confirm this? > - 73, John, N0TA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Tue May 19 17:21:39 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 100w Amplifier In-Reply-To: <9E5CB118-7100-48E0-B5D3-1AD9DDF89FEB@elecraft.com> References: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> <9E5CB118-7100-48E0-B5D3-1AD9DDF89FEB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <555BA963.1070804@subich.com> On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to > P67B. Are the pin assignments on P67B changed or is the connecter enlarged? In other words, can an existing KPA3 and KPAIO3 be installed in a K3S without damage to either the K3S/10 or the KPAIO3? What are the new output devices? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to P67B. There's a corresponding change to the KPAIO3A board. > > Since we changed to gold pins for all of these connectors, we haven't had any further issues with +12 VDC to the amplifier module. These extra pins are just for insurance. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On May 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, John Reilly wrote: > >> I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w amplifier. >> >> Can anyone confirm this? >> - 73, John, N0TA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From droese at necg.de Tue May 19 17:23:24 2015 From: droese at necg.de (droese at necg.de) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:23:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> <85F306FC-AC67-43FB-B5C2-E33921DA06E4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <318482416.29012.1432070604979.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbsltgw05.schlund.de> Seems "the manufacturer" just wanted to sell his front panel mic jack adaptors. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA > "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" hat am 19. Mai 2015 um 14:57 geschrieben: > > > Further on this - We have hundreds of users ( and possibly thousands) happily using the rear panel mic connector with the Heil Headsets. It is the preferred connection for many. > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > > On May 19, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Frank via Elecraft wrote: > > > > I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. > > > > Frank KG6N > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From n1al at sonic.net Tue May 19 17:37:37 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:37:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor In-Reply-To: <85BBF4AE2CCA4EF7A71B40AD61BFAA29@UserPC> References: <85BBF4AE2CCA4EF7A71B40AD61BFAA29@UserPC> Message-ID: <555BAD21.4010706@sonic.net> The signal that the P3 receives when the K3 is in transmit mode is due to random leakage of the transmit IF signal out the K3's IF OUT connector. One reason I haven't implemented this as a standard feature is that it might not be reliable. If you happen to have a K3 with better isolation than most, there may not be enough IF leakage to be usable. (I didn't want to volunteer to take the customer service calls. :=) Another reason is that you can't use it to measure signal quality anyway. It just displays the IF signal before up-conversion and amplification, so most signal defects don't show up. The one thing it is useful for is to adjust the transmit equalizer. I did this on my own K3 to reduce the bass and enhance the treble to get a more-or-less flat frequency response with my voice and mic. If you want to do that, just temporarily disconnect the RS-232 cable between the K3 and P3. That way the P3 doesn't know when the K3 is transmitting and so it continues to display the spectrum. Since adjusting the equalizer is generally a one-time "set and forget" procedure, I figured it is not too inconvenient to have to unhook the RS-232. Alan N1AL On 05/19/2015 08:04 AM, giw at bellsouth.net wrote: > After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed that the new > monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at > the transmit audio in the pass band in the same manner as it does > for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this > capability. > > On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during > transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive > and on transmit the scope freezes. I have been told this occurs when > a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent poor connection. The same > thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3. I am also > told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case > the strength of the stray pickup, when it occurs, has always been > enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. > By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal > could be increased or amplified. > > It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow > the P3 to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the > display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the > audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to > transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit, in a > new mode it would allow your own audio to display in the pass band > instead of the new SSB view. > > It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter > in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open > and close the line. This would only be used when working with your > own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to > take the P3 back to where it is now. > > Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this > area??? Wayne, Eric or Al any comment please. > ______________________________________________________________ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 17:53:09 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:53:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3, PX3, KXPA100 Message-ID: <555BB0C5.2080600@aol.com> The KXAT100 and PX3 have sold. KX3 Still available. Thanks Doug -- K0DXV For Sale: KX3 with MH3 Microphone, KX3-PCKT Cable set, KXAT3 Tuner, End Panels, LEXAN Cover $1000 + Shipping PX3 $400 + Shipping KXAT100 with KXAT100 Tuner, KXPACBL Cable Set $850.00 + Shipping Payment via PayPal Thanks, Doug -- K0DXV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 18:20:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Sfbonk via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection In-Reply-To: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> References: <5EA274A5-4907-4933-9A0D-9E5065C7FD9E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14d6e436a4c-2dc2-4549c@webstg-a07.mail.aol.com> I use both. For contests and DXpetitions, use a Heil pro set and foot switch with the mic in the back. For casual operating, prefer a desk mike into the front connector. Nice thing with the K3 is that it is just a menu selection to switch between the two. Elements seem to be a good match since I don't have to change gain / compression. Smooth with no issues noted. W3OU Steve -----Original Message----- From: Frank via Elecraft To: elecraft Sent: Tue, May 19, 2015 6:40 am Subject: [Elecraft] Rear Panel mic connection I recall Eric mentioning an advantage to connecting the headset boom mic to the rear panel headphone and mic connectors. The manufacturer of the headset advised this was not preferable due to the potential for ground loops on the mic side. Has anyone had any experience with ground loops on the mic from headsets connected to the rear jacks? I'd love to use them to free up the front of the rig. Frank KG6N ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sfbonk at aol.com From micro at iig.com.au Tue May 19 18:22:42 2015 From: micro at iig.com.au (Chris Gill) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:22:42 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Doug K0DXV re: PX3 Message-ID: <555BB7B2.9020303@iig.com.au> G'Day Doug, I would like to purchase the PX3 if it's still available. Chris Gill VK4YCG. From edauer at law.du.edu Tue May 19 18:46:48 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 22:46:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Q and A about K3S In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Wayne ? A few days ago I posted a query here, noting how much info is coming out about the K3S as we go through participants? questions and others? answers, and asking if there couldn?t be some way to gather them all up after a while, for reference in one neat place. The existing on-line FAQs are well-done and helpful; but a good deal more info - like the questions and your answers below - is being added to it as we go. Any chance of Elecraft drafting a revised FAQ sometime including the items asked about on the reflector? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 27 >Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:59:55 -0700 >From: Wayne Burdick >To: David and Dianne on Comcast >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S Upgrade Questions for Elecraft >Message-ID: <52AB353D-3D09-47E5-8971-B51293D29E85 at elecraft.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > >> I have several questions for you as I consider the K3S upgrade decision >>in the near term. >> >> My early K3 (Feb 2008) has an early sub-receiver installed. I may be >>interested in purchasing a K3S but would like to use my current >>sub-receiver in the new K3S to keep the cost down. I believe you >>indicated earlier that it is compatible and is possible to do. So.... >> >> 1. Will my original sub-receiver's DSP board also work in the K3S? > >Yes. > > >> Will a new sub-receiver DSP board work with an original sub-receiver in >>the K3S? > >Yes. > > >> Any other considerations or suggestions? > >No. The DSP board we're changing is the one for the main >receiver/transmitter. That's the one that has the new AF circuitry on it. > > >> 2. Can you summarize the changes from the early KPA3's to the more >>recent KP3A? > >The KPA3A uses different output devices that are more readily available. >Otherwise specs are the same. > > >> 3. Has the K3 mixer board and its circuit on the K3 RF board undergone >>any changes from the early K3's to the K3S? > >The K3 RF board has had a few minor updates, all covered by existing mod >kits. The K3S adds an attenuator section (to provide 5/10/15 dB settings) >and a completely revised layout using 4 layers to reduce noise pickup and >improve port-to-port isolation. > >73, >Wayne >N6KR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 19:13:03 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor In-Reply-To: <555BAD21.4010706@sonic.net> References: <555BAD21.4010706@sonic.net> Message-ID: <1143170584.2259477.1432077183554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Any way to get that a menu option that we can turn on and off as desired? From: Alan To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor The signal that the P3 receives when the K3 is in transmit mode is due to random leakage of the transmit IF signal out the K3's IF OUT connector.? One reason I haven't implemented this as a standard feature is that it might not be reliable.? If you happen to have a K3 with better isolation than most, there may not be enough IF leakage to be usable.? (I didn't want to volunteer to take the customer service calls. :=) Another reason is that you can't use it to measure signal quality anyway.? It just displays the IF signal before up-conversion and amplification, so most signal defects don't show up. The one thing it is useful for is to adjust the transmit equalizer.? I did this on my own K3 to reduce the bass and enhance the treble to get a more-or-less flat frequency response with my voice and mic. If you want to do that, just temporarily disconnect the RS-232 cable between the K3 and P3.? That way the P3 doesn't know when the K3 is transmitting and so it continues to display the spectrum.? Since adjusting the equalizer is generally a one-time "set and forget" procedure, I figured it is not too inconvenient to have to unhook the RS-232. Alan N1AL On 05/19/2015 08:04 AM, giw at bellsouth.net wrote: > After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed? that the new > monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at > the transmit audio in the pass band? in the same manner as it does > for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this > capability. > > On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during > transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive > and on transmit the scope freezes.? I have been told this occurs when > a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent? poor connection.? The same > thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3.? I am also > told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case > the strength of the stray? pickup, when it occurs, has always been > enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. > By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal > could be increased or amplified. > > It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow > the P3? to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the > display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the > audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to > transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit,? in a > new mode it would allow your own audio to display? in the pass band > instead of the new SSB? view. > > It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter > in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open > and close the line. This would only be used when working with your > own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to > take the P3 back to where it is now. > > Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this > area???? Wayne, Eric? or Al any comment please. > ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From k1whs at metrocast.net Tue May 19 19:36:01 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:36:01 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor References: <555BAD21.4010706@sonic.net> <1143170584.2259477.1432077183554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I adjusted my equalizer along the same lines except I used a 2nd K3 with P3 panadaptor. I tweaked it until I saw a nice flat audio response across the entire SSB bandwidth. I was using a David Clark headset with an electret mic element. As soon as I did that I started getting almost 100% positve remarks on the audio without even asking the other station how it sounded. Most signals I hear seem to have a bass peak and the high end is usually down many dB. It helps if you turn on averaging as just one pass of a few words can give a misleading result. I guess the best way is to insert an audio oscillator signal into the mic and adjust as you sweep up in frequency. Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor > > Any way to get that a menu option that we can turn on and off as desired? > > > > From: Alan > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor > > The signal that the P3 receives when the K3 is in transmit mode is due > to random leakage of the transmit IF signal out the K3's IF OUT > connector. One reason I haven't implemented this as a standard feature > is that it might not be reliable. If you happen to have a K3 with > better isolation than most, there may not be enough IF leakage to be > usable. (I didn't want to volunteer to take the customer service calls. > :=) > > Another reason is that you can't use it to measure signal quality > anyway. It just displays the IF signal before up-conversion and > amplification, so most signal defects don't show up. > > The one thing it is useful for is to adjust the transmit equalizer. I > did this on my own K3 to reduce the bass and enhance the treble to get a > more-or-less flat frequency response with my voice and mic. > > If you want to do that, just temporarily disconnect the RS-232 cable > between the K3 and P3. That way the P3 doesn't know when the K3 is > transmitting and so it continues to display the spectrum. Since > adjusting the equalizer is generally a one-time "set and forget" > procedure, I figured it is not too inconvenient to have to unhook the > RS-232. > > Alan N1AL > > > > > > On 05/19/2015 08:04 AM, giw at bellsouth.net wrote: >> After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed that the new >> monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at >> the transmit audio in the pass band in the same manner as it does >> for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this >> capability. >> >> On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during >> transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive >> and on transmit the scope freezes. I have been told this occurs when >> a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent poor connection. The same >> thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3. I am also >> told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case >> the strength of the stray pickup, when it occurs, has always been >> enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. >> By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal >> could be increased or amplified. >> >> It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow >> the P3 to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the >> display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the >> audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to >> transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit, in a >> new mode it would allow your own audio to display in the pass band >> instead of the new SSB view. >> >> It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter >> in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open >> and close the line. This would only be used when working with your >> own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to >> take the P3 back to where it is now. >> >> Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this >> area??? Wayne, Eric or Al any comment please. >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 19:40:11 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor In-Reply-To: References: <555BAD21.4010706@sonic.net> <1143170584.2259477.1432077183554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1975232380.2267815.1432078811387.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I used to have a Flex-radio and this is the one feature I miss (being able to see the Transmitted signal) From: Dave Olean To: Harry Yingst ; n1al at sonic.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor I adjusted my equalizer along the same lines except I used a 2nd K3 with P3 panadaptor.? I tweaked it until I saw a nice flat audio response across the entire SSB bandwidth. I was using a David Clark headset with an electret mic element. As soon as I did that I started getting almost 100% positve remarks on the audio without even asking the other station how it sounded. Most signals I hear seem to have a bass peak and the high end is usually down many dB. It helps if you turn on averaging as just one pass of a few words can give a misleading result. I guess the best way is to insert an audio oscillator signal into the mic and adjust as you sweep up in frequency. Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor > > Any way to get that a menu option that we can turn on and off as desired? > > > >? ? ? From: Alan > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New transmit monitor > > The signal that the P3 receives when the K3 is in transmit mode is due > to random leakage of the transmit IF signal out the K3's IF OUT > connector. One reason I haven't implemented this as a standard feature > is that it might not be reliable. If you happen to have a K3 with > better isolation than most, there may not be enough IF leakage to be > usable. (I didn't want to volunteer to take the customer service calls. > :=) > > Another reason is that you can't use it to measure signal quality > anyway. It just displays the IF signal before up-conversion and > amplification, so most signal defects don't show up. > > The one thing it is useful for is to adjust the transmit equalizer. I > did this on my own K3 to reduce the bass and enhance the treble to get a > more-or-less flat frequency response with my voice and mic. > > If you want to do that, just temporarily disconnect the RS-232 cable > between the K3 and P3. That way the P3 doesn't know when the K3 is > transmitting and so it continues to display the spectrum. Since > adjusting the equalizer is generally a one-time "set and forget" > procedure, I figured it is not too inconvenient to have to unhook the > RS-232. > > Alan N1AL > > > > > > On 05/19/2015 08:04 AM, giw at bellsouth.net wrote: >> After waiting for 4 years, I was very disappointed that the new >> monitor in addition to the RF views did not provide a way to look at >> the transmit audio in the pass band in the same manner as it does >> for received SSB audio. All of the newer Icom Rigs have this >> capability. >> >> On numerous occasions I have briefly seen my own audio show up during >> transmit but as soon as speech is paused, the P3 reverts to receive >> and on transmit the scope freezes. I have been told this occurs when >> a pin on the RS232 makes and intermittent poor connection. The same >> thing can be forced by pulling the RS 232 input to the P3. I am also >> told that this ability is the result of a ?stray? pickup. In my case >> the strength of the stray pickup, when it occurs, has always been >> enough to provide a good view of my audio if I am running 100 watts. >> By making some pick up changes the strength of this stray signal >> could be increased or amplified. >> >> It would seem very possible to have a menu selection that would allow >> the P3 to break the connection upon transmit to allow you to use the >> display to set up your own audio and to see what is happening at the >> audio level. The P3 now shifts back and forth from receive to >> transmit and instead of freezing the display during transmit, in a >> new mode it would allow your own audio to display in the pass band >> instead of the new SSB view. >> >> It might even be done on a manual basis by having an RS 232 adapter >> in the line that would have a manual switch connected that would open >> and close the line. This would only be used when working with your >> own audio. In this case the new modes would have to be turned off to >> take the P3 back to where it is now. >> >> Any one else have any interest in the above or any experience in this >> area??? Wayne, Eric or Al any comment please. >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 20:16:42 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:16:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Q and A about K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <707EAF00-7A92-4387-8453-0E2DD4867104@elecraft.com> Hi Ted, We'll be updating the FAQ periodically. 73, Wayne N6KR "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > A few days ago I posted a query here, noting how much info is coming out > about the K3S as we go through participants? questions and others? > answers, and asking if there couldn?t be some way to gather them all up > after a while, for reference in one neat place. The existing on-line FAQs > are well-done and helpful; but a good deal more info - like the questions > and your answers below - is being added to it as we go. Any chance of > Elecraft drafting a revised FAQ sometime including the items asked about > on the reflector? > > Thanks, > > Ted, KN1CBR From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 20:29:47 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 17:29:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Message-ID: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> Hi all, K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 19 20:57:05 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:57:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Original Elecraft K1 Stand Message-ID: <555BDBE1.9000005@aol.com> Clearing out the storage room. I have an original K1 aluminum stand for sale: $50 + $5 shipping. PayPal only. Tnx & 73, Doug -- K0DXV From k9fd at flex.com Tue May 19 21:10:34 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:10:34 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? In-Reply-To: <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> References: <555B92F7.8070708@n4rp.com> <000901d09270$17408080$45c18180$@net> Message-ID: <555BDF0A.8010509@flex.com> Good idea to wait a little, I roughly figured the current updates prices and a guestimate of the future module prices, and you may well be better off buying a new radio 10watt, and swapping some internals, 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Before I would consider doing any upgrades I would look carefully at the > ones that > Are currently available and those that "will be available later this year" > I still love my K3 and the upgrades would only be icing on the cake but may > Have a few more $calories$ than I can afford. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ross > Primrose > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:46 PM > To: Matt Maguire; Thomas Horsten > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S upgrade kit? > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/19/2015 3:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >> That would be a little difficult, because which components you need to >> add depends on which components you already have in your existing K3 >> configuration. I think the best they can do is to summarise on an >> order page a list of which components may need to be added/upgraged, >> with information to explain under what conditions the new component >> will not be needed, and let the individual K3 owners decide which >> components they need to order. >> >> 73, Matt VK2RQ >> >> On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, Thomas Horsten wrote: >> >>> Sorry if I haven't been following all the K3S stuff, I'm QRT at the >>> moment due to having moved country and living in a flat, but I would >>> want to buy a complete K3 to K3S upgrade kit for when I'm ready to get > back on the air. >>> Surely Wayne has that sorted, or on the drawing board? >>> >>> 73, Thomas OZ5TN (also M0TRN, AF7BE) >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> matt.vk2rq at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n4rp at n4rp.com > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) "At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum > transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications." > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to k2ttt at optonline.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue May 19 21:13:06 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 18:13:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 100w Amplifier In-Reply-To: <555BA963.1070804@subich.com> References: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> <9E5CB118-7100-48E0-B5D3-1AD9DDF89FEB@elecraft.com> <555BA963.1070804@subich.com> Message-ID: <871A48FD-2BA1-4C2E-BF02-0632A3951105@elecraft.com> "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to >> P67B. > > Are the pin assignments on P67B changed or is the connecter enlarged? The connector was enlarged. > In other words, can an existing KPA3 and KPAIO3 be installed in a K3S > without damage to either the K3S/10 or the KPAIO3? Yes. > What are the new output devices? That will be clear when the schematic is ready to be posted. 73, Wayne N6KR > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to P67B. There's a corresponding change to the KPAIO3A board. >> >> Since we changed to gold pins for all of these connectors, we haven't had any further issues with +12 VDC to the amplifier module. These extra pins are just for insurance. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> On May 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, John Reilly wrote: >> >>> I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w amplifier. >>> >>> Can anyone confirm this? >>> - 73, John, N0TA >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> From n4rp at n4rp.com Tue May 19 21:31:12 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:31:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 100w Amplifier In-Reply-To: <871A48FD-2BA1-4C2E-BF02-0632A3951105@elecraft.com> References: <555B93C2.20109@comcast.net> <9E5CB118-7100-48E0-B5D3-1AD9DDF89FEB@elecraft.com> <555BA963.1070804@subich.com> <871A48FD-2BA1-4C2E-BF02-0632A3951105@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <555BE3E0.4040506@n4rp.com> Is the converse also true - Can the new KPA3A and KPAIO3A be installed in a K3? If not, how long cen we expect to be able to get KPA3s? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/19/2015 9:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to >>> P67B. >> Are the pin assignments on P67B changed or is the connecter enlarged? > The connector was enlarged. > > >> In other words, can an existing KPA3 and KPAIO3 be installed in a K3S >> without damage to either the K3S/10 or the KPAIO3? > Yes. > > >> What are the new output devices? > That will be clear when the schematic is ready to be posted. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-19 5:02 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Actually it's four additional pins (was 6, now 10). This applies to P67B. There's a corresponding change to the KPAIO3A board. >>> >>> Since we changed to gold pins for all of these connectors, we haven't had any further issues with +12 VDC to the amplifier module. These extra pins are just for insurance. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, John Reilly wrote: >>> >>>> I heard a rumor at Dayton that the K3s had two additional pins to handle the current from the RF board, through the riser card, to the 100w amplifier. >>>> >>>> Can anyone confirm this? >>>> - 73, John, N0TA >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From mbower at bbunch.org Tue May 19 22:41:37 2015 From: mbower at bbunch.org (Michael Bower) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 22:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K6XX CW Indicator kit Message-ID: I came across this unbuilt kit and will likely never use it. So it is for sale. Asking $18 including shipping. US only. PayPal, check ok. Michael N4NMR From aldermant at windstream.net Tue May 19 23:22:08 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 23:22:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> This is a little confusing to me Wayne. Reading over your below listed revisions for 5.26, there seems to be nothing pertinent to my 'new' s/n 8850 K3 that I could test and report back?? What did I miss here? Thanks and 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:30 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Hi all, K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Tue May 19 23:36:01 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 20:36:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> Did the new firmware "break" any features or functions you use in your K3? 73, Lyle KK7P > This is a little confusing to me Wayne. Reading over your below listed > revisions for 5.26, there seems to be nothing pertinent to my 'new' s/n 8850 > K3 that I could test and report back?? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 00:01:27 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> Lyle, For me the question was is it worth the bother of upgrading my K3 with this new F/W? Not apparent from Wayne's post. Phil W7OX On 5/19/15 8:36 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Did the new firmware "break" any features or > functions you use in your K3? > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > >> This is a little confusing to me Wayne. Reading >> over your below listed >> revisions for 5.26, there seems to be nothing >> pertinent to my 'new' s/n 8850 >> K3 that I could test and report back?? From htodd at twofifty.com Wed May 20 00:15:42 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Sorry to be a pest, but can someone look at the email headers of Wayne's announcement and see if there's something odd? For some reason I never get his firmware announcements and I don't even see anhything likely at the mail server. Can someone send me the headers? Thanks. On Tue, 19 May 2015, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Lyle, > > For me the question was is it worth the bother of upgrading my K3 with this > new F/W? Not apparent from Wayne's post. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/19/15 8:36 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >> Did the new firmware "break" any features or functions you use in your K3? >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >> >>> This is a little confusing to me Wayne. Reading over your below listed >>> revisions for 5.26, there seems to be nothing pertinent to my 'new' s/n >>> 8850 >>> K3 that I could test and report back?? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From eric at elecraft.com Wed May 20 00:31:53 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:31:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 to K3S Upgrade Questions for Elecraft In-Reply-To: <52AB353D-3D09-47E5-8971-B51293D29E85@elecraft.com> References: <555BA018.9040505@comcast.net> <52AB353D-3D09-47E5-8971-B51293D29E85@elecraft.com> Message-ID: One additional note: Your old sub-receiver will require a new KSYN3A in order to be used in the K3S. Both synths in K3 and K3S must be of the same type. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On May 19, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > >> I have several questions for you as I consider the K3S upgrade decision in the near term. >> >> My early K3 (Feb 2008) has an early sub-receiver installed. I may be interested in purchasing a K3S but would like to use my current sub-receiver in the new K3S to keep the cost down. I believe you indicated earlier that it is compatible and is possible to do. So.... >> >> 1. Will my original sub-receiver's DSP board also work in the K3S? > > Yes. From josh at voodoolab.com Wed May 20 00:33:55 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LCD TX indicator Message-ID: <555C0EB3.1030509@voodoolab.com> I know that the TX LCD indicator blinks when TX TEST is selected, and when the external TX inhibit line is enabled and asserted. Will anything else cause this indicator to flash? Thanks & 73, Josh W6XU From stanzepa at sbcglobal.net Wed May 20 07:31:48 2015 From: stanzepa at sbcglobal.net (Stan Horzepa) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 07:31:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] anxiously awaiting Message-ID: <555C70A4.8070503@sbcglobal.net> I joined this list a few weeks ago to confirm that my choice for a new radio (to replace my 30-year-old TS-440S) was the correct one. All your e-mails confirmed that my choice (a KX3) was correct and I went to Hamvention intending to bring one home. Alas, the cupboard was bare by the time I got to the Elecraft booth, so I took away an order form, filled it out overnight and returned the next day to order a KX3 kit with all of the trimmings including the 2-meter module and the PX3 panadapter. I was impressed that the fellow who took my order form carefully perused it to check to see if what I had ordered was actually what I needed. Turns out that I did not need the two SMA adapters I had included and we expunged it from the order. I have not heard a peep from Elecraft about my order, nor have I seen any related charges on my credit card, so I assume they are catching up from Dayton and will get to my order sooner or later (I hope sooner). Waiting on pins and needles (ouch)! Stan, WA1LOU From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 20 07:55:22 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] anxiously awaiting In-Reply-To: <555C70A4.8070503@sbcglobal.net> References: <555C70A4.8070503@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1650280160.2554189.1432122922154.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> It's best to contact elecraft directly on order issues From: Stan Horzepa To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:31 AM Subject: [Elecraft] anxiously awaiting I joined this list a few weeks ago to confirm that my choice for a new radio (to replace my 30-year-old TS-440S) was the correct one. All your e-mails confirmed that my choice (a KX3) was correct and I went to Hamvention intending to bring one home. Alas, the cupboard was bare by the time I got to the Elecraft booth, so I took away an order form, filled it out overnight and returned the next day to order a KX3 kit with all of the trimmings including the 2-meter module and the PX3 panadapter. I was impressed that the fellow who took my order form carefully perused it to check to see if what I had ordered was actually what I needed. Turns out that I did not need the two SMA adapters I had included and we expunged it from the order. I have not heard a peep from Elecraft about my order, nor have I seen any related charges on my credit card, so I assume they are catching up from Dayton and will get to my order sooner or later (I hope sooner). Waiting on pins and needles (ouch)! Stan, WA1LOU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed May 20 07:58:09 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 04:58:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1432123089770-7603353.post@n2.nabble.com> As for the K3, updates will continue to be for both, I think, and it's worth checking to make sure the K3 doesn't suffer because of the specific K3S additions or changes...even if the update does not add anything for the K3. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-26-Support-for-K3S-and-upgraded-modules-tp7603339p7603353.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mbower at bbunch.org Wed May 20 08:22:38 2015 From: mbower at bbunch.org (Michael Bower) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:22:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K6XX CW Indicator kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kit has been spoken for. On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Michael Bower wrote: > I came across this unbuilt kit and will likely never use it. So it is for > sale. > > Asking $18 including shipping. US only. > > PayPal, check ok. > > Michael N4NMR > > From aldermant at windstream.net Wed May 20 08:49:46 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:49:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401d092fb$737be390$5a73aab0$@windstream.net> Well I am not going to know that because if the update has nothing pertinent to my K3, then I am not going to load it on my radio. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:36 PM Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Did the new firmware "break" any features or functions you use in your K3? 73, Lyle KK7P > This is a little confusing to me Wayne. Reading over your below listed > revisions for 5.26, there seems to be nothing pertinent to my 'new' > s/n 8850 > K3 that I could test and report back?? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From aldermant at windstream.net Wed May 20 08:55:34 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:55:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <001b01d092fc$42df51d0$c89df570$@windstream.net> I am not 100% sure of this, but I believe firmware updates are loaded to the Elecraft web page and it is up to us to check for them. I think Wayne's announcement for 5.26 is a 'special' case. I'm sure someone will correct me if this is incorrect. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hisashi T Fujinaka Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:16 AM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Sorry to be a pest, but can someone look at the email headers of Wayne's announcement and see if there's something odd? For some reason I never get his firmware announcements and I don't even see anhything likely at the mail server. Can someone send me the headers? Thanks. From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed May 20 10:25:56 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:25:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <001b01d092fc$42df51d0$c89df570$@windstream.net> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> <001b01d092fc$42df51d0$c89df570$@windstream.net> Message-ID: It?s right where it?s supposed to be ? http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Grant NQ5T On May 20, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > > I am not 100% sure of this, but I believe firmware updates are loaded to the > Elecraft web page and it is up to us to check for them. I think Wayne's > announcement for 5.26 is a 'special' case. I'm sure someone will correct me > if this is incorrect. > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 10:32:53 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 07:32:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> Wayne, It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? 73, Phil W7OX On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. > > Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > * * * > > K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 > > * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. > > * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). > > * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. > > * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . > > * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) > > * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) > > * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. > > * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed May 20 10:39:51 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <1432123089770-7603353.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> <1432123089770-7603353.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: For those thinking of hanging back and living with your K3's, there is a benefit to the Elecraft community by doing the firmware beta's even if you don't see anything in it for yourself in a given release. Elecraft is committed to backward compatibility. By beta testing all the F/W releases, you help insure backward compatibility. You help detect that a change for a K3S does not break a K3. When you get right down to it, particularly if you make any hardware improvements in your K3, most of the firmware is shared. "What's in it for me" is a legal response, it's allowed, your choice. But is it the long term best response, the overall best response, the community best response? Good Luck all, and 73, Guy K2AV On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:58 AM, ke9uw wrote: > As for the K3, updates will continue to be for both, I think, and it's > worth > checking to make sure the K3 doesn't suffer because of the specific K3S > additions or changes...even if the update does not add anything for the K3. > > > > ----- > Chuck, KE9UW > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-26-Support-for-K3S-and-upgraded-modules-tp7603339p7603353.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 20 10:49:43 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Professional software QC engineers refer to this as "regression testing", to ensure that the software involved continues to operate as it did in the previous release as tested/released on the available hardware at that time. There are no documented changes for the K3, therefore you should not see any difference in the behavior of a K3 when testing this beta firmware on it. If you do not?wish to test a beta deployment of an upcoming firmware release, then don't install and test it. If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the changes made to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm sure?they'd appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out. I just?wish Yahoo! would do the?same thing for its mail software! (I continually see problems in the formatting of my posts the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear with me/it) 73 de N1HO From: Phil Wheeler Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed May 20 11:01:57 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:01:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1432134117220-7603361.post@n2.nabble.com> FYI, I installed the Utility beta and the K3 beta (2010 vintage) and all seems to function as expected. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-26-Support-for-K3S-and-upgraded-modules-tp7603339p7603361.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 11:04:49 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> I really am not looking for opinions or comments on the social benefits of beta testing. As a former manager of space system software programs and a current beta tester of computer operating systems, I do understand the purpose of beta testing. My question was to Wayne and Elecraft, specifically: "Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.?" I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to contribute to the greater good. Nor do I plan to spend time loading software from which I will see a change only if there was a problem in that particular beta version (which has happened). Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 7:49 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO wrote: > Professional software QC engineers refer to > > this as "regression testing", to ensure that > > the software involved continues to operate as > > it did in the previous release as tested/released > > on the available hardware at that time. > > > There are no documented changes for the K3, > therefore > > you should not see any difference in the > behavior of a > > K3 when testing this beta firmware on it. > > > If you do not wish to test a beta deployment of an > > upcoming firmware release, then don't install > and test it. > > > If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the > changes made > > to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm > sure they'd > > appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out. > > > I just wish Yahoo! would do the same thing for > its mail software! > > (I continually see problems in the formatting of > my posts > > the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear > with me/it) > > > 73 de N1HO > > -------------------------------------------------- > *From:* Phil Wheeler > Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for > improved performance, functionality, etc.? > > From eric at elecraft.com Wed May 20 11:33:06 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 08:33:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] anxiously awaiting In-Reply-To: <555C70A4.8070503@sbcglobal.net> References: <555C70A4.8070503@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <555CA932.5070303@elecraft.com> Hi Stan, That was probably me taking your order at the order table. :-) We are entering all the orders into our system here this week and this weekend. Everyone should receive an email confirmation by early next week. It was a -huge- show for us and we are just now recovering and catching up. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ === On 5/20/2015 4:31 AM, Stan Horzepa wrote: > I joined this list a few weeks ago to confirm that my choice for a new radio > (to replace my 30-year-old TS-440S) was the correct one. > > All your e-mails confirmed that my choice (a KX3) was correct and I went to > Hamvention intending to bring one home. Alas, the cupboard was bare by the > time I got to the Elecraft booth, so I took away an order form, filled it out > overnight and returned the next day to order a KX3 kit with all of the > trimmings including the 2-meter module and the PX3 panadapter. > > I was impressed that the fellow who took my order form carefully perused it to > check to see if what I had ordered was actually what I needed. Turns out that > I did not need the two SMA adapters I had included and we expunged it from the > order. > > I have not heard a peep from Elecraft about my order, nor have I seen any > related charges on my credit card, so I assume they are catching up from > Dayton and will get to my order sooner or later (I hope sooner). > > Waiting on pins and needles (ouch)! > > Stan, WA1LOU From matt at nq6n.com Wed May 20 11:51:59 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 10:51:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: It seems like the firmware updates might now be better suited to a table/matrix than a simple list, considering all the permutations of add-on boards that may exist in a K3 or K3S. Maybe dividing the update into the following two sections would add clarity: - K3S Only - K3 or K3 with upgraded boards Even if you skip one update because it doesn't apply to your hardware, chances are you will benefit from a future update which will include the firmware changes you decided to skip. I have found that keeping firmware up to date is a good practice because it minimizes the changes that you are making with each subsequent update and makes any issues easier to isolate. 73, Matt NQ6N On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I really am not looking for opinions or comments on the social benefits of > beta testing. As a former manager of space system software programs and a > current beta tester of computer operating systems, I do understand the > purpose of beta testing. > > My question was to Wayne and Elecraft, specifically: > > "Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, > functionality, etc.?" > > I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to contribute to the greater good. > Nor do I plan to spend time loading software from which I will see a change > only if there was a problem in that particular beta version (which has > happened). > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 7:49 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO wrote: > >> Professional software QC engineers refer to >> >> this as "regression testing", to ensure that >> >> the software involved continues to operate as >> >> it did in the previous release as tested/released >> >> on the available hardware at that time. >> >> >> There are no documented changes for the K3, therefore >> >> you should not see any difference in the behavior of a >> >> K3 when testing this beta firmware on it. >> >> >> If you do not wish to test a beta deployment of an >> >> upcoming firmware release, then don't install and test it. >> >> >> If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the changes made >> >> to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm sure they'd >> >> appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out. >> >> >> I just wish Yahoo! would do the same thing for its mail software! >> >> (I continually see problems in the formatting of my posts >> >> the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear with me/it) >> >> >> 73 de N1HO >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> *From:* Phil Wheeler >> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for >> improved performance, functionality, etc.? >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed May 20 12:15:34 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:15:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555CB326.8010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Then you should not beta test. Hopefully someone else will, and they'll catch any bugs that might affect you in the future. 73 -- Lynn On 5/20/2015 8:04 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to contribute to the greater > good. Nor do I plan to spend time loading software from which I will > see a change only if there was a problem in that particular beta > version (which has happened). From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed May 20 12:17:49 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: > > It seems like the firmware updates might now be better suited to a > table/matrix than a simple list, considering all the permutations of add-on > boards that may exist in a K3 or K3S. > > Maybe dividing the update into the following two sections would add clarity: > > - K3S Only > - K3 or K3 with upgraded boards > Why over complicate what should be a straightforward process? It should be akin to ?firmware for dummies?. Install it, and let it take care of itself. Even in the existing K3, there are a multitude of configurations possible. The system manages to keep it all straight ? like not trying to turn on the DVR when you don?t have one, or continually berating you to install the KRX3 you don?t have. This is really no different. Simple (for US) is best. Let Elecraft worry about how the internal software machinations sort out the hardware configuration. They seem to be able to do that pretty well. Grant NQ5T From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed May 20 12:21:29 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <001b01d092fc$42df51d0$c89df570$@windstream.net> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <000801d092ac$27a99600$76fcc200$@windstream.net> <555C0121.4040401@gmail.com> <555C0717.8040608@socal.rr.com> <001b01d092fc$42df51d0$c89df570$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <555CB489.3010006@embarqmail.com> K3Utility will tell you if the production firmware has been updated, it is an easy matter to download and install those. Beta releases are a different matter. Those will be announced on the Elecraft reflector (and in the beta section of the Elecraft website), and if you wish to download a beta version, follow the instructions for downloading a beta release on the Elecraft website. Occasionally, Wayne will announce an early beta release (or per-release if you prefer) asking those interested in trying it to send him an email. Don't be afraid of the production releases whether you have a K3 or a K3S, they have had adequate testing. Beta releases are normally good because the Field Testers have deemed them OK, but be prepared to report any problems you may find with them. The same for any pre-beta versions that are offered - if you agree to test the pre-beta version, that places you in the same situation as the Field Testers. Beta releases have been tested by a number of the Field Test owners, but are offered to the entire Elecraft community for testing on a greater variety of configurations. After success with that beta testing, a release will be advanced to production status. Note that the version numbers do not change from pre-beta to beta to production. If the firmware is changed, a new version number will be assigned. In other words, if 5.26 is OK, it will be moved to production status, but if not, that number will not appear again, you will see a higher number in the next release. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/20/2015 8:55 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > I am not 100% sure of this, but I believe firmware updates are loaded to the > Elecraft web page and it is up to us to check for them. I think Wayne's > announcement for 5.26 is a 'special' case. I'm sure someone will correct me > if this is incorrect. > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 12:26:27 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555CB5B3.7010309@socal.rr.com> I agree with keeping firmware up to date, Matt. But that never requires loading beta versions; I load those only if they provide some new benefit I want early or want to (and have time to) test as a beta tester Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 8:51 AM, Matt Murphy wrote: > It seems like the firmware updates might now be > better suited to a table/matrix than a simple > list, considering all the permutations of add-on > boards that may exist in a K3 or K3S. > > Maybe dividing the update into the following two > sections would add clarity: > > - K3S Only > - K3 or K3 with upgraded boards > > Even if you skip one update because it doesn't > apply to your hardware, chances are you will > benefit from a future update which will include > the firmware changes you decided to skip. I > have found that keeping firmware up to date is a > good practice because it minimizes the changes > that you are making with each subsequent update > and makes any issues easier to isolate. > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Phil Wheeler > > > wrote: > > I really am not looking for opinions or > comments on the social benefits of beta > testing. As a former manager of space system > software programs and a current beta tester > of computer operating systems, I do > understand the purpose of beta testing. > > My question was to Wayne and Elecraft, > specifically: > > "Is there any reason a K3 needs this version > for improved performance, functionality, etc.?" > > I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to > contribute to the greater good. Nor do I > plan to spend time loading software from > which I will see a change only if there was > a problem in that particular beta version > (which has happened). > > Phil W7OX > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 12:35:46 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 09:35:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CB326.8010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> <555CB326.8010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <555CB7E2.2070804@socal.rr.com> Exactly :-) That's why I asked about K3 impacts of this beta software. I only beta test functions which I can test (for radios) within those I use when operating--and especially those for which i have a need. The recent Fixed-Tune mode add to the PX3 comes to mind. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 9:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Then you should not beta test. > > Hopefully someone else will, and they'll catch > any bugs that might affect you in the future. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 5/20/2015 8:04 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to >> contribute to the greater good. Nor do I plan >> to spend time loading software from which I >> will see a change only if there was a problem >> in that particular beta version (which has >> happened). From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 20 13:05:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CB5B3.7010309@socal.rr.com> References: <555CB5B3.7010309@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <661924515.3622620.1432141548444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >> > K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page.<<< Wayne clearly states " BETA"? { I load those only if they provide some new benefit } Then WHY the Fuss? If you had a ICOM, and you send it in for repair, upon return, the Firmware was updated.Would you query the content of the update? And! What are the benefits to you? What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. From: Phil Wheeler To: Matt Murphy Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules I agree with keeping firmware up to date, Matt.? But that never requires loading beta versions; I load those only if they provide some new benefit I want early or want to (and have time to) test as a beta tester Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 8:51 AM, Matt Murphy wrote: > It seems like the firmware updates might now be > better suited to a table/matrix than a simple > list, considering all the permutations of add-on > boards that may exist in a K3 or K3S. > > Maybe dividing the update into the following two > sections would add clarity: > > - K3S Only > - K3 or K3 with upgraded boards > > Even if you skip one update because it doesn't > apply to your hardware, chances are you will > benefit from a future update which will include > the firmware changes you decided to skip.? I > have found that keeping firmware up to date is a > good practice because it minimizes the changes > that you are making with each subsequent update > and makes any issues easier to isolate. > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Phil Wheeler > > > wrote: > >? ? I really am not looking for opinions or >? ? comments on the social benefits of beta >? ? testing. As a former manager of space system >? ? software programs and a current beta tester >? ? of computer operating systems, I do >? ? understand the purpose of beta testing. > >? ? My question was to Wayne and Elecraft, >? ? specifically: > >? ? "Is there any reason a K3 needs this version >? ? for improved performance, functionality, etc.?" > >? ? I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to >? ? contribute to the greater good. Nor do I >? ? plan to spend time loading software from >? ? which I will see a change only if there was >? ? a problem in that particular beta version >? ? (which has happened). > >? ? Phil W7OX > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 20 13:29:45 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Wayne, > > It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. > All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. > > I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some > feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. > > Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, > functionality, etc.? > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. >> This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded >> into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >> >> Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the >> various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes >> below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual >> and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any >> firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded >> modules. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> * * * >> >> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >> >> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, >> KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the >> CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is >> used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a >> computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio >> in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). >> All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications >> that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card >> and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external >> converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for >> details. >> >> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is >> installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its >> RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available >> for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected >> via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual >> for details (pg. 18 and 19). >> >> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is >> inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will >> override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB >> cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the >> USB cable is being used for line-out. >> >> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is >> only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the >> K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 >> meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through >> settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 >> turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a >> typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, >> the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external >> preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the >> built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive >> gain. . >> >> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF >> BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the >> per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A >> shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN >> switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) >> >> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU >> option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an >> additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is >> used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely >> matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a >> minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a >> small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) >> >> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an >> upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has >> a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical >> sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 >> kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >> >> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA >> command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 >> is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module >> installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From nf4l at comcast.net Wed May 20 13:46:38 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude Message-ID: Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? 73, Mike NF4L From K2TK at att.net Wed May 20 13:48:58 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:48:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <661924515.3622620.1432141548444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <555CB5B3.7010309@socal.rr.com> <661924515.3622620.1432141548444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555CC90A.50400@att.net> Hi Milverton, Well I'm old and my grandmother who was always good at repeating those witticisms used to say, "making mountains out of mole hills". Her way of saying not important. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956 & K2TKR On 5/20/2015 1:05 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: >>>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page.<<< > > Wayne clearly states " BETA" > { I load those only if they provide some new benefit } > > Then WHY the Fuss? > If you had a ICOM, and you send it in for repair, upon return, the Firmware was updated.Would you query the content of the update? And! What are the benefits to you? > > What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? > > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. From bsusb at k5dkz.com Wed May 20 14:50:21 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:50:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <661924515.3622620.1432141548444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <555CB5B3.7010309@socal.rr.com> <661924515.3622620.1432141548444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555CD76D.3090103@k5dkz.com> Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? ((((73)))) > Milverton / Don't you mean Mole Hill? From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed May 20 13:53:06 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? > > 73, Mike NF4L It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) Grant NQ5T From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 14:00:22 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:00:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF > you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to > your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware >> will have on the K3. All the specifics listed >> below appear to be K3S related. >> >> I usually load beta versions *only* if the >> test/change relates to some feature I really >> want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to >> load it. >> >> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for >> improved performance, functionality, etc.? >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on >>> our K3 software page. This is the first >>> combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be >>> loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >>> >>> Some firmware features and changes apply only >>> to the K3S, or to the various updated internal >>> modules, as described in the release notes >>> below. (Further details will be provided in >>> the K3S owner's manual and other documents as >>> they are made available.) We appreciate any >>> firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or >>> without any upgraded modules. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >>> >>> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and >>> DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module >>> is installed (standard with the K3S), the >>> CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" >>> setting. If this setting is used, then a >>> single USB cable can be used between the K3S >>> and a computer to provide remote control, >>> digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY >>> (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" >>> signals). All of these signals are usually >>> recognized by computer applications that also >>> support RS232. This eliminates the need for a >>> sound card and associated analog line in/out >>> cables, as well as any external converter >>> units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. >>> 18-20, for details. >>> >>> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, >>> KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then >>> the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S >>> at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two >>> different special cables are available for >>> this purpose, depending on whether a computer >>> will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S >>> and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for >>> details (pg. 18 and 19). >>> >>> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, >>> KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN >>> jack on the K3S, this audio signal will >>> override the digitized audio line-in data that >>> is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the >>> K3S, however, is always available even if the >>> USB cable is being used for line-out. >>> >>> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY >>> (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if >>> a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the >>> K3S). It also only applies if the current band >>> is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to >>> ON, then the PRE switch rotates through >>> settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the >>> applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise >>> preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a >>> typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). >>> When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will >>> flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external >>> preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or >>> PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise >>> preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive >>> gain. . >>> >>> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN >>> MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the >>> MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the >>> per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch >>> (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing >>> this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for >>> about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is >>> fixed at 10 dB.) >>> >>> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The >>> upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, >>> includes a very low-loss bypass path via an >>> additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged >>> when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU >>> icon OFF. This setting can be used with >>> closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on >>> the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a >>> minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather >>> than a relay, result in a small dissipation >>> loss that varies with frequency.) >>> >>> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT >>> (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the >>> KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the >>> KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 >>> kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 >>> kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at >>> 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >>> >>> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND >>> (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a >>> SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 >>> is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters >>> with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 >>> enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 14:00:22 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:00:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF > you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to > your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware >> will have on the K3. All the specifics listed >> below appear to be K3S related. >> >> I usually load beta versions *only* if the >> test/change relates to some feature I really >> want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to >> load it. >> >> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for >> improved performance, functionality, etc.? >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on >>> our K3 software page. This is the first >>> combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be >>> loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >>> >>> Some firmware features and changes apply only >>> to the K3S, or to the various updated internal >>> modules, as described in the release notes >>> below. (Further details will be provided in >>> the K3S owner's manual and other documents as >>> they are made available.) We appreciate any >>> firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or >>> without any upgraded modules. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> * * * >>> >>> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >>> >>> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and >>> DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module >>> is installed (standard with the K3S), the >>> CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" >>> setting. If this setting is used, then a >>> single USB cable can be used between the K3S >>> and a computer to provide remote control, >>> digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY >>> (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" >>> signals). All of these signals are usually >>> recognized by computer applications that also >>> support RS232. This eliminates the need for a >>> sound card and associated analog line in/out >>> cables, as well as any external converter >>> units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. >>> 18-20, for details. >>> >>> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, >>> KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then >>> the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S >>> at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two >>> different special cables are available for >>> this purpose, depending on whether a computer >>> will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S >>> and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for >>> details (pg. 18 and 19). >>> >>> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, >>> KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN >>> jack on the K3S, this audio signal will >>> override the digitized audio line-in data that >>> is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the >>> K3S, however, is always available even if the >>> USB cable is being used for line-out. >>> >>> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY >>> (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if >>> a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the >>> K3S). It also only applies if the current band >>> is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to >>> ON, then the PRE switch rotates through >>> settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the >>> applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise >>> preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a >>> typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). >>> When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will >>> flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external >>> preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or >>> PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise >>> preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive >>> gain. . >>> >>> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN >>> MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the >>> MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the >>> per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch >>> (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing >>> this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for >>> about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is >>> fixed at 10 dB.) >>> >>> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The >>> upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, >>> includes a very low-loss bypass path via an >>> additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged >>> when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU >>> icon OFF. This setting can be used with >>> closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on >>> the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a >>> minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather >>> than a relay, result in a small dissipation >>> loss that varies with frequency.) >>> >>> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT >>> (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the >>> KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the >>> KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 >>> kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 >>> kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at >>> 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >>> >>> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND >>> (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a >>> SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 >>> is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters >>> with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 >>> enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 20 14:06:24 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <555CCD20.5080908@n4rp.com> The K3S FAQ indicates that the KXV3B, KAT3A & KBPF3A are available now. I can't confirm or deny the accuracy of that. But, I believe you'd need the new beta firmware for any of those. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 2:00 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. > > Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to > their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is > that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the >> newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or >> KAT3A. >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> >> On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. >>> All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. >>> >>> I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to >>> some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me >>> to load it. >>> >>> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved >>> performance, functionality, etc.? >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software >>>> page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be >>>> loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >>>> >>>> Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the >>>> various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes >>>> below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual >>>> and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any >>>> firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded >>>> modules. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >>>> >>>> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, >>>> KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the >>>> CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting >>>> is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a >>>> computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio >>>> in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" >>>> signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer >>>> applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for >>>> a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as >>>> any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. >>>> 18-20, for details. >>>> >>>> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module >>>> is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S >>>> at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are >>>> available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be >>>> connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S >>>> owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). >>>> >>>> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is >>>> inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will >>>> override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the >>>> USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even >>>> if the USB cable is being used for line-out. >>>> >>>> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry >>>> is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with >>>> the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 >>>> meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates >>>> through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. >>>> PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, >>>> with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is >>>> selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an >>>> external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when >>>> using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in >>>> excessive gain. . >>>> >>>> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF >>>> BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the >>>> per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A >>>> shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN >>>> switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 >>>> dB.) >>>> >>>> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU >>>> option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an >>>> additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch >>>> is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with >>>> closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 >>>> ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, >>>> result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) >>>> >>>> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an >>>> upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A >>>> has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical >>>> sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 >>>> kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >>>> >>>> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA >>>> command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp >>>> 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module >>>> installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, >>>> above). >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> >> > -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From lists at subich.com Wed May 20 14:27:00 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555CD1F4.6090300@subich.com> On 2015-05-20 1:29 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly > upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. It would not be needed, however, for the new KBPF3A . 73, ... Joe, W4TV From kb9bvn at gmail.com Wed May 20 14:29:42 2015 From: kb9bvn at gmail.com (Brian) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555CD296.9000206@gmail.com> No more grouchy than usual...I think. On 5/20/2015 1:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kb9bvn at gmail.com > From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 20 14:33:29 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CD1F4.6090300@subich.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> <555CD1F4.6090300@subich.com> Message-ID: <555CD379.30401@n4rp.com> I can't see why it would be, but the KBPF3A is mentioned in the release notes ??? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 2:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > It would not be needed, however, for the new KBPF3A . > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 20 14:33:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2125307340.3611631.1432146800955.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> two fingers of good Scotch are in order <<< Oh!!!!!??? So that's what everyone been putting in their Kool Aid! Now I know!? :-D ((((73)))) Milverton. From: GRANT YOUNGMAN To: Mike Reublin NF4L ; Elecraft List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'tude > On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? > > 73, Mike NF4L It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From dl2ydp at mail.ru Wed May 20 14:35:52 2015 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:35:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CD1F4.6090300@subich.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> <555CD1F4.6090300@subich.com> Message-ID: <1432146952166-7603381.post@n2.nabble.com> The new FW works with my old K3 #2652 good -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-K3S-Beta-Firmware-rev-5-26-Support-for-K3S-and-upgraded-modules-tp7603339p7603381.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed May 20 14:40:18 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:40:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: <2125307340.3611631.1432146800955.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <2125307340.3611631.1432146800955.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4B6478@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> "QMS" Off for more scotch :-) ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft [elecraft at mailman.qth.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:33 AM To: GRANT YOUNGMAN; Mike Reublin NF4L; Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'tude >>> two fingers of good Scotch are in order <<< Oh!!!!! So that's what everyone been putting in their Kool Aid! Now I know! :-D ((((73)))) Milverton. From: GRANT YOUNGMAN To: Mike Reublin NF4L ; Elecraft List Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'tude > On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? > > 73, Mike NF4L It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From bnoblet at gmail.com Wed May 20 14:44:15 2015 From: bnoblet at gmail.com (Brad Noblet) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 Message-ID: Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the K3S? I'm interested in 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds like getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz requires different filters. Not clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the K3. Can someone clear this up for me please? Brad WA8WDQ From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 20 14:49:50 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:49:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> Yes, it does. You'll need to do a minor mod on your main/sub RXs to decrease noise as well, parts kit for that mod should be available real soon now, I hope ;) On 5/20/2015 2:44 PM, Brad Noblet wrote: > Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the K3S? I'm interested in > 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds like > getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz requires different filters. Not > clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the K3. Can someone clear this > up for me please? > > Brad WA8WDQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 20 15:34:56 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:34:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> References: <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <2095493671.3442492.1432133383761.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555CA291.2000406@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1432150496.8450.164.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Well said Phil! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-05-20 at 08:04 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I really am not looking for opinions or comments > on the social benefits of beta testing. As a > former manager of space system software programs > and a current beta tester of computer operating > systems, I do understand the purpose of beta testing. > > My question was to Wayne and Elecraft, specifically: > > "Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for > improved performance, functionality, etc.?" > > I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to > contribute to the greater good. Nor do I plan to > spend time loading software from which I will see > a change only if there was a problem in that > particular beta version (which has happened). > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 7:49 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO wrote: > > Professional software QC engineers refer to > > > > this as "regression testing", to ensure that > > > > the software involved continues to operate as > > > > it did in the previous release as tested/released > > > > on the available hardware at that time. > > > > > > There are no documented changes for the K3, > > therefore > > > > you should not see any difference in the > > behavior of a > > > > K3 when testing this beta firmware on it. > > > > > > If you do not wish to test a beta deployment of an > > > > upcoming firmware release, then don't install > > and test it. > > > > > > If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the > > changes made > > > > to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm > > sure they'd > > > > appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out. > > > > > > I just wish Yahoo! would do the same thing for > > its mail software! > > > > (I continually see problems in the formatting of > > my posts > > > > the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear > > with me/it) > > > > > > 73 de N1HO > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > *From:* Phil Wheeler > > Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for > > improved performance, functionality, etc.? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From bnoblet at gmail.com Wed May 20 15:43:27 2015 From: bnoblet at gmail.com (Brad Noblet) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 In-Reply-To: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> References: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ross. I'll keep an eye out for that :) Brad WA8WDQ On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > Yes, it does. You'll need to do a minor mod on your main/sub RXs to > decrease noise as well, parts kit for that mod should be available real > soon now, I hope ;) > > > On 5/20/2015 2:44 PM, Brad Noblet wrote: > >> Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the K3S? I'm interested in >> 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds >> like >> getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz requires different filters. Not >> clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the K3. Can someone clear this >> up for me please? >> >> Brad WA8WDQ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the > minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired > communications.? > > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed May 20 15:53:29 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:53:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CB489.3010006@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I admit I would run the beta software more often if it were easier. From my point of view, having a "run beta software" box in the utilities which would automatically search the Elecraft site for beta versions which are newer than the latest production version, down load them, and install them. Icing on the cake would be an easy to back out to the latest production version in case of problems. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/20/15 at 9:21 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >K3Utility will tell you if the production firmware has been >updated, it is an easy matter to download and install those. >Beta releases are a different matter. Those will be announced >on the Elecraft reflector (and in the beta section of the >Elecraft website), and if you wish to download a beta version, >follow the instructions for downloading a beta release on the >Elecraft website. >Occasionally, Wayne will announce an early beta release (or >per-release if you prefer) asking those interested in trying it >to send him an email. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 20 16:02:38 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:02:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1432152158.8450.166.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Bill, I think part of the circuitous route downloading and running the Beta Software in intentional. It keeps it from being accidentally loaded. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-05-20 at 12:53 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: > I admit I would run the beta software more often if it were > easier. From my point of view, having a "run beta software" box > in the utilities which would automatically search the Elecraft > site for beta versions which are newer than the latest > production version, down load them, and install them. Icing on > the cake would be an easy to back out to the latest production > version in case of problems. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 5/20/15 at 9:21 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: > > >K3Utility will tell you if the production firmware has been > >updated, it is an easy matter to download and install those. > >Beta releases are a different matter. Those will be announced > >on the Elecraft reflector (and in the beta section of the > >Elecraft website), and if you wish to download a beta version, > >follow the instructions for downloading a beta release on the > >Elecraft website. > >Occasionally, Wayne will announce an early beta release (or > >per-release if you prefer) asking those interested in trying it > >to send him an email. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 > Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, > CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed May 20 16:12:44 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <61B0E6DB-F3F4-4E2B-8C36-A084EB96914B@elecraft.com> The present firmware release has very little impact on the K3, but it is still important to test each release to make sure we didn't break anything. We've had some positive reports in that regard, so no need for everyone to load it. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 20, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. > > Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> >> On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. >>> >>> I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. >>> >>> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >>>> >>>> Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >>>> >>>> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. >>>> >>>> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). >>>> >>>> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. >>>> >>>> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . >>>> >>>> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) >>>> >>>> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) >>>> >>>> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >>>> >>>> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com >> >> > From gdanner at windstream.net Wed May 20 16:17:58 2015 From: gdanner at windstream.net (George Danner) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <1432152158.8450.166.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1432152158.8450.166.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: Bill, I believe it was said long ago that it was made different (and not automated) to make sure you understood that it was not the Production version. After the 2nd Beta download for my K3, I set-up a "Beta" folder where I download the firmware and then un-compress. My Utility is pointed to the last folder I installed; so it is fairly easy to redirect it and install Beta Firmware. Since Production firmware comes from Beta that is promoted; I don't remember loading a Production version at least not in many years! Very occasionally I do skip a Beta version because of time constraints or "Senior Moments". When an update is skipped it is not lost. It will be in all future releases unless it is modified later on! 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: David Cole Hi Bill, I think part of the circuitous route downloading and running the Beta Software in intentional. It keeps it from being accidentally loaded. -- Thanks and 73's, On Wed, 2015-05-20 at 12:53 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: > I admit I would run the beta software more often if it were > easier. From my point of view, having a "run beta software" box > in the utilities which would automatically search the Elecraft > site for beta versions which are newer than the latest > production version, down load them, and install them. Icing on > the cake would be an easy to back out to the latest production > version in case of problems. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 5/20/15 at 9:21 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: > > >K3Utility will tell you if the production firmware has been > >updated, it is an easy matter to download and install those. > >Beta releases are a different matter. Those will be announced > >on the Elecraft reflector (and in the beta section of the > >Elecraft website), and if you wish to download a beta version, > >follow the instructions for downloading a beta release on the > >Elecraft website. > >Occasionally, Wayne will announce an early beta release (or > >per-release if you prefer) asking those interested in trying it > >to send him an email. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed May 20 16:30:28 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 13:30:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 In-Reply-To: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> References: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555CEEE4.6080809@socal.rr.com> My hope too, Ross. Sounds like a pretty easy mod--except perhaps for the R&R of the boards themselves. Phil W7OX On 5/20/15 11:49 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > Yes, it does. You'll need to do a minor mod on > your main/sub RXs to decrease noise as well, > parts kit for that mod should be available real > soon now, I hope ;) > > On 5/20/2015 2:44 PM, Brad Noblet wrote: >> Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the >> K3S? I'm interested in >> 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a >> KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds like >> getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz >> requires different filters. Not >> clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the >> K3. Can someone clear this >> up for me please? >> >> Brad WA8WDQ From aldermant at windstream.net Wed May 20 16:38:46 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:38:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <61B0E6DB-F3F4-4E2B-8C36-A084EB96914B@elecraft.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555C9B15.3000902@socal.rr.com> <555CC489.7080104@n4rp.com> <555CCBB6.3030305@socal.rr.com> <61B0E6DB-F3F4-4E2B-8C36-A084EB96914B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <001401d0933c$f84b7540$e8e25fc0$@windstream.net> Thank you for the information Wayne! NOW, please close this subject as it has gotten totally and unnecessarily out of hand...like so many things do on this reflector. Folks, I asked Wayne for a simple clarification and there was absolutely no need for the 'long winded' discussion that followed. This is getting to be such a common occurrence that this reflector is becoming practically useless where it really should be a great place to get technical information about the products we purchase from Elecraft. I do hope this deluge of non-useful post will soon be reduced! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:13 PM To: Phil Wheeler Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules The present firmware release has very little impact on the K3, but it is still important to test each release to make sure we didn't break anything. We've had some positive reports in that regard, so no need for everyone to load it. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 20, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation. > > Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> >> On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. >>> >>> I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. >>> >>> Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, functionality, etc.? >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility. >>>> >>>> Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> * * * >>>> >>>> K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 >>>> >>>> * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a "USB" setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the "RTS" and "DTR" signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. >>>> >>>> * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19). >>>> >>>> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. >>>> >>>> * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2 turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive gain. . >>>> >>>> * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF >>>> BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the >>>> per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A >>>> shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN >>>> switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 >>>> dB.) >>>> >>>> * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU >>>> option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an >>>> additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch >>>> is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with >>>> closely matched antennas. ("Bypass" mode on the earlier model KAT3 >>>> ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, >>>> result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.) >>>> >>>> * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm. >>>> >>>> * UPDATED "PA" (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now supports a SET/RESPONSE value of "PA2" whenever preamp 2 is available. This applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled (see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above). >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> n4rp at n4rp.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From nf4l at comcast.net Wed May 20 16:46:09 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 16:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77D496A8-8DC2-41E7-9E12-D1E3AE5CE7A7@comcast.net> Yes! And the two fingers I use are fully extended thumb and pinky. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 20, 2015, at 1:53 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > >> On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >> Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? >> >> 73, Mike NF4L > > It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) > > Grant NQ5T From droese at necg.de Wed May 20 17:12:13 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 23:12:13 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <555CF8AD.9040709@necg.de> Am 20.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Wayne Burdick: > * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out. I can already see the "Help! I don't get any audio from my USB connection!" emails on the reflector. ;-) Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C anyone? ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store different settings, i.e. line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic gain for the 3,5 mm connection. That's one of the really neat things I like on a friend's TS-590. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA From lists at subich.com Wed May 20 17:31:31 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 17:31:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CF8AD.9040709@necg.de> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555CF8AD.9040709@necg.de> Message-ID: <555CFD33.7090604@subich.com> > Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C > anyone? ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store > different settings, i.e. line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic > gain for the 3,5 mm connection. That's one of the really neat things > I like on a friend's TS-590. ;-) But that means another switch to select either USB or Line audio along with another menu selection (RP.H/L, FP.H/L, LINE IN, USB IN). Now you need a solid state audio switch on the KIO3C and another control line from the serial/shift register controls. Is there even a spare control output on the KIO3? Seems to me everything is already "full" including the direct processor I/O lines. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-20 5:12 PM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > Am 20.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Wayne Burdick: >> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is >> inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will >> override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB >> cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even if the >> USB cable is being used for line-out. > > I can already see the "Help! I don't get any audio from my USB > connection!" emails on the reflector. ;-) > > Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C > anyone? ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store different > settings, i.e. line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic gain for the 3,5 > mm connection. That's one of the really neat things I like on a friend's > TS-590. ;-) > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wes at triconet.org Wed May 20 17:35:30 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:35:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules In-Reply-To: <555CF8AD.9040709@necg.de> References: <7EDA0917-9DF1-4C2E-B043-6A1540A55914@elecraft.com> <555CF8AD.9040709@necg.de> Message-ID: <555CFE22.9090201@triconet.org> I'm afraid I fail to see the "logic" in this too. On 5/20/2015 2:12 PM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > Am 20.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Wayne Burdick: >> * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted >> into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the >> digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on >> the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for >> line-out. > > I can already see the "Help! I don't get any audio from my USB connection!" > emails on the reflector. ;-) > > Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C anyone? > ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store different settings, i.e. > line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic gain for the 3,5 mm connection. > That's one of the really neat things I like on a friend's TS-590. ;-) > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed May 20 17:44:36 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:44:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: <555CD296.9000206@gmail.com> References: <555CD296.9000206@gmail.com> Message-ID: I no longer play rugby or test hand-grenades, so I welcome the occasional jousting on the reflector. Wayne N6KR On May 20, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Brian wrote: > No more grouchy than usual...I think. > From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed May 20 17:47:35 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 17:47:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: <77D496A8-8DC2-41E7-9E12-D1E3AE5CE7A7@comcast.net> References: <77D496A8-8DC2-41E7-9E12-D1E3AE5CE7A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555D00F7.5020703@n4rp.com> You use fingers on the same hand?!? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/20/2015 4:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > Yes! And the two fingers I use are fully extended thumb and pinky. > 73, Mike NF4L > > >> On May 20, 2015, at 1:53 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> >> >>> On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >>> >>> Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? >>> >>> 73, Mike NF4L >> It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) >> >> Grant NQ5T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed May 20 17:50:35 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 14:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 In-Reply-To: <555CEEE4.6080809@socal.rr.com> References: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> <555CEEE4.6080809@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <982DA324-F08C-49D8-B667-A0B32144CEA4@elecraft.com> The KBPF3A will work equally well in the K3, assuming the K3 has the added electrolytic capacitor across the 9 V regulator. That is the subject of an upcoming modification note. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 20, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > My hope too, Ross. Sounds like a pretty easy mod--except perhaps for the R&R of the boards themselves. > > Phil W7OX > > On 5/20/15 11:49 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> Yes, it does. You'll need to do a minor mod on your main/sub RXs to decrease noise as well, parts kit for that mod should be available real soon now, I hope ;) >> >> On 5/20/2015 2:44 PM, Brad Noblet wrote: >>> Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the K3S? I'm interested in >>> 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds like >>> getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz requires different filters. Not >>> clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the K3. Can someone clear this >>> up for me please? >>> >>> Brad WA8WDQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From nf4l at comcast.net Wed May 20 18:03:52 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 18:03:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 'tude In-Reply-To: <555D00F7.5020703@n4rp.com> References: <77D496A8-8DC2-41E7-9E12-D1E3AE5CE7A7@comcast.net> <555D00F7.5020703@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <3B704AC7-740E-4667-88EE-D6D674676A15@comcast.net> Yep, that pretty much spans the full height of my NFL team logo glass. 73, Mike NF4L > On May 20, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > You use fingers on the same hand?!? > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/20/2015 4:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> Yes! And the two fingers I use are fully extended thumb and pinky. >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >> >>> On May 20, 2015, at 1:53 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On May 20, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it just me, or has it been a tad testy here since the announcement of the K3S? >>>> >>>> 73, Mike NF4L >>> It does seem like a comfortable chair, a good book, and two fingers of good Scotch are in order ? or maybe just a deep breath :-) >>> >>> Grant NQ5T >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? > From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Wed May 20 20:47:51 2015 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 20:47:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Option Message-ID: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> Is it possible to optimize TXEQ settings for best sounding audio in SSB mode using the modulation envelope display? Roy Morris W4WFB From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed May 20 21:05:56 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 20:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Option In-Reply-To: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> References: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <583AEA3E-0791-4242-AC56-62CFDA0D32E9@tx.rr.com> > > Is it possible to optimize TXEQ settings for best sounding audio in SSB mode > using the modulation envelope display? Roy Morris W4WFB No. Frankly, it?s far better to have someone who can actually HEAR you help with that. Or to use an RF tap and demodulator into a recorder. Grant NQ5T From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed May 20 21:48:54 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 21:48:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Option In-Reply-To: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> References: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <555D3986.2070002@embarqmail.com> Roy, The short answer is NO. The modulation envelope display is good for displaying any clipping, but it will not show you the frequency response. If you have seen the modulation envelope of an SSB signal on an oscilloscope, that is what you can expect, it shows relative amplitude and any flattopping, but it does not show a spectrum display. The best way to evaluate your transmit audio is to listen to your transmit signal on another receiver. Feed the K3 into a dummy load and listen on another receiver with a short wire for an antenna - you are striving for an S-9 to S9+10 level in the monitor receiver. After it sounds good to you in the monitor receiver, then solicit audio reports from folks on the air who know what your natural (not on the air) voice sounds like. That will produce the best audio TX EQ settings for you and your microphone. Change microphones and you may need a whole set of TX EQ settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/20/2015 8:47 PM, Roy Morris wrote: > Is it possible to optimize TXEQ settings for best sounding audio in SSB mode > using the modulation envelope display? Roy Morris W4WFB > > From Gary at ka1j.com Thu May 21 01:07:39 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 01:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules Message-ID: <555D681B.22883.15F314DA@Gary.ka1j.com> I've downloaded the new firmware to my K3 and see zero issues at this point. 73, Gary KA1J From wes at triconet.org Thu May 21 02:01:15 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 23:01:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Option In-Reply-To: <555D3986.2070002@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> <555D3986.2070002@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <555D74AB.8080905@triconet.org> I think you should strive for the most effective audio, not necessarily audio that sounds "natural." BTW, my latest unsolicited "great audio" report was just last night from E51DLD. I frequently get these reports. They don't know what I sound like in real life. Wes N7WS On 5/20/2015 6:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > [snip] After it sounds good to you in the monitor receiver, then solicit audio reports from folks on the air who know what your natural (not on the air) voice sounds like. That will produce the best audio TX EQ settings for you and your microphone. Change microphones and you may need a whole set of TX EQ settings. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu May 21 03:35:02 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 00:35:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Option In-Reply-To: <555D74AB.8080905@triconet.org> References: <000001d0935f$c4b46fc0$4e1d4f40$@carolina.rr.com> <555D3986.2070002@embarqmail.com> <555D74AB.8080905@triconet.org> Message-ID: <555D8AA6.1020209@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/20/2015 11:01 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I think you should strive for the most effective audio, not > necessarily audio that sounds "natural." Exactly. 73, Jim K9YC From vk5zm at bistre.net Thu May 21 06:37:31 2015 From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 20:07:31 +0930 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A for K3 In-Reply-To: <982DA324-F08C-49D8-B667-A0B32144CEA4@elecraft.com> References: <555CD74E.4000909@n4rp.com> <555CEEE4.6080809@socal.rr.com> <982DA324-F08C-49D8-B667-A0B32144CEA4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Let's hope that mod note isn't too far away... Most of us can't wait to open up the RX on our K3's that sport the new synth's. The synth upgrade is an absolute doddle, my K3 got its "post Dayton" upgrade today. I'm already hearing aircraft NDB beacons at 300kHz across the country, it's nice to explore this part of the spectrum. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 21 May 2015 at 07:20, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The KBPF3A will work equally well in the K3, assuming the K3 has the added > electrolytic capacitor across the 9 V regulator. That is the subject of an > upcoming modification note. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On May 20, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > > My hope too, Ross. Sounds like a pretty easy mod--except perhaps for the > R&R of the boards themselves. > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > On 5/20/15 11:49 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > >> Yes, it does. You'll need to do a minor mod on your main/sub RXs to > decrease noise as well, parts kit for that mod should be available real > soon now, I hope ;) > >> > >> On 5/20/2015 2:44 PM, Brad Noblet wrote: > >>> Does the KBPF3A work with the K3 as well as the K3S? I'm interested in > >>> 472KHz & 137KHz so am planning to order a KSYN3AUPG for my K3. Sounds > like > >>> getting usable sensitivity below 300 KHz requires different filters. > Not > >>> clear to me whether the KBPF3A works with the K3. Can someone clear > this > >>> up for me please? > >>> > >>> Brad WA8WDQ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net > From g3pqa at onetel.com Thu May 21 07:30:24 2015 From: g3pqa at onetel.com (John G3PQA) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 04:30:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Frequency Jump Message-ID: <1432207824716-7603409.post@n2.nabble.com> A few days ago my P3 response shifted frequency so it now reads 700Hz higher than the tuned CW freq.. Any ideas what is causing this ? John -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Frequency-Jump-tp7603409.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 21 10:22:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Wiehe via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 14:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B Message-ID: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3. ?I have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for the ?K3.Bill-W0BBI? From mattz at elecraft.com Thu May 21 10:32:17 2015 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 07:32:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The KXV3B is a direct replacement for the KXV3 or KXV3A. No mods are needed. 73! matt W6NIA On Thu, 21 May 2015 14:22:47 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: >While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3. ?I have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for the ?K3.Bill-W0BBI? >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com 831-763-4211 x129 From dj0qn at gmx.net Thu May 21 10:40:23 2015 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1pdGNoIFdvbGZzb24sIERKw5hRTiAvIEs3RFgi?=) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 16:40:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> Message-ID: <555DEE57.2000308@gmx.net> I was in Dayton when you sent this and a bit behind my mails. I believe I read most replies, so I will only answer the ones I do not believe were already answered (apologies for any duplication): - Never turn monitor (CW or SSB) on while running remote. Even the slightest latency will drive you crazy. Use the RRC's sidetone for CW and there is no solution for SSB. - You can change the RRC's CW sidetone volume by going into the control RRC's menu "CW settings" and change "Side tone -db" to a more reasonable level. - Only one can access a K3 at a time. The other parties will receive a busy tone when attempting a connect. This will not disturb the other user, so trying it won't hurt anyone. We have implemented chat and logging systems to let us know who is using the station, there are a lot of solutions on the market. The RemoteRig Forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php is a wealth of information for anyone using RemoteRig. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 17.05.2015 04:08, Paul Christensen wrote: > Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 > and K3-mini. A few questions: > > 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there > a way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, > SDR-IQ control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn?t appear to apply > here since the K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; > > 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? > I've tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought > perhaps the K3 mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the > receive audio. > > 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even > louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is > excellent. It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of > the speaker amp. Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the > AF control? > > 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a > K3 at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the > remote site, will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some > way let the user know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? > Or, must we rely on the green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? > > Tnx! > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu May 21 10:42:39 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 07:42:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted when it's complete. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: > While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3. I have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for the K3.Bill-W0BBI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu May 21 10:55:36 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 10:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555DF1E8.2050908@n4rp.com> I assume the new beta firmware (or a later stable release) is required to use the KXV3B in a K3 (no S)? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/21/2015 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted when it's complete. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: > >> While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3. I have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for the K3.Bill-W0BBI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From ejkkjh at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:24:43 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 11:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 for sale Message-ID: <6BA2C64F8426419A825DD4D5B4842209@ejhPC> Elecraft PR6 preamp for sale, like new, non smoking, includes cables for power and acc port on the K3. $100 shipped conus, please contact direct via email. wm3m at live dot com or ejkkjh at gmail dot com Thank you Emory WM3M From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Thu May 21 11:49:36 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 08:49:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need this new board? 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted when it's complete. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: > > From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 21 11:50:32 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 08:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <555DF1E8.2050908@n4rp.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DF1E8.2050908@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555DFEC8.7050800@elecraft.com> Yes, I believe. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 5/21/2015 7:55 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > I assume the new beta firmware (or a later stable release) is required to use > the KXV3B in a K3 (no S)? > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 5/21/2015 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. >> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted >> when it's complete. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >>> While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has >>> the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further >>> reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3. I >>> have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being >>> edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to >>> be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for >>> the K3.Bill-W0BBI >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > From eric at elecraft.com Thu May 21 12:11:46 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 09:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> Correct. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: > So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need this new > board? > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. >> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted >> when it's complete. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w9ac at arrl.net Thu May 21 13:17:47 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 13:17:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <555DEE57.2000308@gmx.net> References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> <555DEE57.2000308@gmx.net> Message-ID: <000601d093ea$0f6e1f90$2e4a5eb0$@arrl.net> Mitch and all... First, the term "remote" below refers to the tower site. The control site is where the op controls the K3/0 or K3-mini. The main issue is in trying to access the K3 Utility on the PC sitting next to the remote K3 while RemoteRig is connected. We can use VNCRemote or TeamViewer to access K3 Utility on the remote PC. Most importantly, I am not trying to flash the K3 remotely over the Internet. We just want communication between the K3 Utilty and the PC via RemoteRig's spare COM1 port. Specifically, what I am trying to accomplish is saving/recalling the K3 profiles with the K3 Utility so that two ops using our remote site are not spending ten minutes tinkering our way out of the last guy's favorite settings. It would have been great if the K3 had just enough internal storage to save profiles, even if for just two or three users. But since that's not the case, we must rely on the K3 Utility to recall the profiles. But RemoteRig gets in the way because it is attached to the K3's serial connector at the remote site. As mentioned before, RemoteRig does have a spare COM1 serial port, supposedly for this purpose and CAT control. Here's what I've done to date. 1) All hardware flashed to the latest versions (K3 and RemoteRigs). I am using the latest version of K3 Utility and also the beta version tried; 2) A high quality FTDI USB to serial COM port adapter connects between the PC and the RemoteRig's serial COM1 port. The USB and is assigned COM7 on the PC; 3) The PC has been checked to ensure the latest FTDI drivers; 4) On the remote side of the RemoteRig, there's a menu, "Serial Settings" to select different communication protocols for the RemoteRig's COM1 port (the port attached with the USB/serial converter); 5) Opening the K3 Utility and selecting COM7 should establish communication between the K3 Utility and the remote K3 THROUGH RemoteRig. But it doesn't. The K3 Utility keeps searching the port speed with no connection. 6) The RemoteRig manual seems to indicate it is possible to connect in such a way and even shows a picture detailing a device connected on RemoteRig's COM1. Has anyone had success in using the K3 Utility with RemoteRig connected at the same time? Paul, W9AC -----Original Message----- From: "Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX" [mailto:dj0qn at gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:40 AM To: Paul Christensen; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig I was in Dayton when you sent this and a bit behind my mails. I believe I read most replies, so I will only answer the ones I do not believe were already answered (apologies for any duplication): - Never turn monitor (CW or SSB) on while running remote. Even the slightest latency will drive you crazy. Use the RRC's sidetone for CW and there is no solution for SSB. - You can change the RRC's CW sidetone volume by going into the control RRC's menu "CW settings" and change "Side tone -db" to a more reasonable level. - Only one can access a K3 at a time. The other parties will receive a busy tone when attempting a connect. This will not disturb the other user, so trying it won't hurt anyone. We have implemented chat and logging systems to let us know who is using the station, there are a lot of solutions on the market. The RemoteRig Forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php is a wealth of information for anyone using RemoteRig. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 17.05.2015 04:08, Paul Christensen wrote: > Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 > and K3-mini. A few questions: > > 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there > a way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, > SDR-IQ control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn?t appear to apply > here since the K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; > > 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? > I've tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought > perhaps the K3 mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the > receive audio. > > 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even > louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is > excellent. It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of > the speaker amp. Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the > AF control? > > 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a > K3 at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the > remote site, will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some > way let the user know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? > Or, must we rely on the green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? > > Tnx! > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dj0qn at arrl.net From ctate at ewnetinc.com Thu May 21 14:51:35 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 18:51:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <000601d093ea$0f6e1f90$2e4a5eb0$@arrl.net> References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> <555DEE57.2000308@gmx.net>,<000601d093ea$0f6e1f90$2e4a5eb0$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4B8F51@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Attempting to flash the firmware through the RRC is a no go. I have to go up to the remote site periodically to bypass the RRC rs232 and update the firmware on the K line at my station. Its a bit dangerous because I do believe you get get the utility to talk to the K3 through it... I think this is specified clearly in the manuals.. but its been a while since I went through them. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Paul Christensen [w9ac at arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:17 AM To: dj0qn at arrl.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Mitch and all... First, the term "remote" below refers to the tower site. The control site is where the op controls the K3/0 or K3-mini. The main issue is in trying to access the K3 Utility on the PC sitting next to the remote K3 while RemoteRig is connected. We can use VNCRemote or TeamViewer to access K3 Utility on the remote PC. Most importantly, I am not trying to flash the K3 remotely over the Internet. We just want communication between the K3 Utilty and the PC via RemoteRig's spare COM1 port. Specifically, what I am trying to accomplish is saving/recalling the K3 profiles with the K3 Utility so that two ops using our remote site are not spending ten minutes tinkering our way out of the last guy's favorite settings. It would have been great if the K3 had just enough internal storage to save profiles, even if for just two or three users. But since that's not the case, we must rely on the K3 Utility to recall the profiles. But RemoteRig gets in the way because it is attached to the K3's serial connector at the remote site. As mentioned before, RemoteRig does have a spare COM1 serial port, supposedly for this purpose and CAT control. Here's what I've done to date. 1) All hardware flashed to the latest versions (K3 and RemoteRigs). I am using the latest version of K3 Utility and also the beta version tried; 2) A high quality FTDI USB to serial COM port adapter connects between the PC and the RemoteRig's serial COM1 port. The USB and is assigned COM7 on the PC; 3) The PC has been checked to ensure the latest FTDI drivers; 4) On the remote side of the RemoteRig, there's a menu, "Serial Settings" to select different communication protocols for the RemoteRig's COM1 port (the port attached with the USB/serial converter); 5) Opening the K3 Utility and selecting COM7 should establish communication between the K3 Utility and the remote K3 THROUGH RemoteRig. But it doesn't. The K3 Utility keeps searching the port speed with no connection. 6) The RemoteRig manual seems to indicate it is possible to connect in such a way and even shows a picture detailing a device connected on RemoteRig's COM1. Has anyone had success in using the K3 Utility with RemoteRig connected at the same time? Paul, W9AC -----Original Message----- From: "Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX" [mailto:dj0qn at gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:40 AM To: Paul Christensen; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig I was in Dayton when you sent this and a bit behind my mails. I believe I read most replies, so I will only answer the ones I do not believe were already answered (apologies for any duplication): - Never turn monitor (CW or SSB) on while running remote. Even the slightest latency will drive you crazy. Use the RRC's sidetone for CW and there is no solution for SSB. - You can change the RRC's CW sidetone volume by going into the control RRC's menu "CW settings" and change "Side tone -db" to a more reasonable level. - Only one can access a K3 at a time. The other parties will receive a busy tone when attempting a connect. This will not disturb the other user, so trying it won't hurt anyone. We have implemented chat and logging systems to let us know who is using the station, there are a lot of solutions on the market. The RemoteRig Forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php is a wealth of information for anyone using RemoteRig. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 17.05.2015 04:08, Paul Christensen wrote: > Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 > and K3-mini. A few questions: > > 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there > a way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, > SDR-IQ control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn?t appear to apply > here since the K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; > > 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? > I've tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought > perhaps the K3 mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the > receive audio. > > 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even > louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is > excellent. It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of > the speaker amp. Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the > AF control? > > 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a > K3 at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the > remote site, will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some > way let the user know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? > Or, must we rely on the green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? > > Tnx! > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dj0qn at arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From w9ac at arrl.net Thu May 21 15:11:39 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 15:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4B8F51@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <63F9C4B955FE4A2DAAD2DEEB3481F343@PaulChristensen> <555DEE57.2000308@gmx.net>, <000601d093ea$0f6e1f90$2e4a5eb0$@arrl.net> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD4B8F51@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <004601d093f9$f78a2530$e69e6f90$@arrl.net> I must not have been communicating this very well. We are NOT trying to flash the K3 through the Internet. We simply want the K3 Utility to connect to the K3 while RemoteRig is connected and running. The purpose is only to save/recall profiles. Nothing more. However, Elecraft Support just confirmed this is impossible when RemoteRig is connected, and that's a huge disappointment for us -- but it's the reality of the situation. Paul, W9AC -----Original Message----- From: Chris Tate - N6WM [mailto:ctate at ewnetinc.com] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: Paul Christensen; dj0qn at arrl.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Attempting to flash the firmware through the RRC is a no go. I have to go up to the remote site periodically to bypass the RRC rs232 and update the firmware on the K line at my station. Its a bit dangerous because I do believe you get get the utility to talk to the K3 through it... I think this is specified clearly in the manuals.. but its been a while since I went through them. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Paul Christensen [w9ac at arrl.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:17 AM To: dj0qn at arrl.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Mitch and all... First, the term "remote" below refers to the tower site. The control site is where the op controls the K3/0 or K3-mini. The main issue is in trying to access the K3 Utility on the PC sitting next to the remote K3 while RemoteRig is connected. We can use VNCRemote or TeamViewer to access K3 Utility on the remote PC. Most importantly, I am not trying to flash the K3 remotely over the Internet. We just want communication between the K3 Utilty and the PC via RemoteRig's spare COM1 port. Specifically, what I am trying to accomplish is saving/recalling the K3 profiles with the K3 Utility so that two ops using our remote site are not spending ten minutes tinkering our way out of the last guy's favorite settings. It would have been great if the K3 had just enough internal storage to save profiles, even if for just two or three users. But since that's not the case, we must rely on the K3 Utility to recall the profiles. But RemoteRig gets in the way because it is attached to the K3's serial connector at the remote site. As mentioned before, RemoteRig does have a spare COM1 serial port, supposedly for this purpose and CAT control. Here's what I've done to date. 1) All hardware flashed to the latest versions (K3 and RemoteRigs). I am using the latest version of K3 Utility and also the beta version tried; 2) A high quality FTDI USB to serial COM port adapter connects between the PC and the RemoteRig's serial COM1 port. The USB and is assigned COM7 on the PC; 3) The PC has been checked to ensure the latest FTDI drivers; 4) On the remote side of the RemoteRig, there's a menu, "Serial Settings" to select different communication protocols for the RemoteRig's COM1 port (the port attached with the USB/serial converter); 5) Opening the K3 Utility and selecting COM7 should establish communication between the K3 Utility and the remote K3 THROUGH RemoteRig. But it doesn't. The K3 Utility keeps searching the port speed with no connection. 6) The RemoteRig manual seems to indicate it is possible to connect in such a way and even shows a picture detailing a device connected on RemoteRig's COM1. Has anyone had success in using the K3 Utility with RemoteRig connected at the same time? Paul, W9AC -----Original Message----- From: "Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX" [mailto:dj0qn at gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:40 AM To: Paul Christensen; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig I was in Dayton when you sent this and a bit behind my mails. I believe I read most replies, so I will only answer the ones I do not believe were already answered (apologies for any duplication): - Never turn monitor (CW or SSB) on while running remote. Even the slightest latency will drive you crazy. Use the RRC's sidetone for CW and there is no solution for SSB. - You can change the RRC's CW sidetone volume by going into the control RRC's menu "CW settings" and change "Side tone -db" to a more reasonable level. - Only one can access a K3 at a time. The other parties will receive a busy tone when attempting a connect. This will not disturb the other user, so trying it won't hurt anyone. We have implemented chat and logging systems to let us know who is using the station, there are a lot of solutions on the market. The RemoteRig Forum at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php is a wealth of information for anyone using RemoteRig. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 17.05.2015 04:08, Paul Christensen wrote: > Still getting used to a recently installed RemoteRig used with my K3 > and K3-mini. A few questions: > > 1) Since the K3's RS-232 port is wired directly to RemoteRig, is there > a way to access control of the RS-232 port for firmware upgrades, > SDR-IQ control, etc.? As it is, LP-Bridge doesn?t appear to apply > here since the K3 is not connected as a PC COM port; > > 2) Any means to monitor mic audio on the K3 mini while transmitting? > I've tried bringing up MON audio, but nothing heard. I thought > perhaps the K3 mini would inject local mic monitor audio into the > receive audio. > > 3) K3 mini speaker audio is extremely loud and the CW sidetone is even > louder. However, receive audio and sidetone in headphones is > excellent. It's as if there's a gain structure problem just ahead of > the speaker amp. Any way to easily reduce speaker amp gain after the > AF control? > > 4) Consider a situation where two K3 minis are each trying to access a > K3 at the remote site. When one of the K3 minis connects to the > remote site, will the other K3-mini's display read "busy" or in some > way let the user know that the K3 is being tied up by another user? > Or, must we rely on the green PWR/connect light on RemoteRig? > > Tnx! > > Paul, W9AC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dj0qn at arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com= From g3pqa at onetel.com Thu May 21 16:15:19 2015 From: g3pqa at onetel.com (John G3PQA) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 13:15:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Frequency Jump In-Reply-To: <1432207824716-7603409.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432207824716-7603409.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432239319076-7603422.post@n2.nabble.com> Fixed. Problem was loose RS232 lead on K3. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Frequency-Jump-tp7603409p7603422.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 21 17:20:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Wiehe via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <555DFEC8.7050800@elecraft.com> References: <555DFEC8.7050800@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <90330260.3746665.1432243229585.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you.Bill - W0BBI From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" To: Ross Primrose ; Wayne Burdick ; Bill Wiehe Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B Yes, I believe. Eric elecraft.com On 5/21/2015 7:55 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: I assume the new beta firmware (or a later stable release) is required to use the KXV3B in a K3 (no S)? 73, Ross N4RP On 5/21/2015 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will be posted when it's complete. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: While reading the K3s FAQ's it says that the new KXV3B Interface board has the new PR6-10 low-noise amplifier (LNA) as part of the circuitry. Further reading suggests that this board can replace the KXV3A board in the K3.? I have not been able to find the "manual" yet as I suspect it is still being edited. I was just wondering if there were any other changes that needed to be made to accommodate the swap as this sounds like an excellent upgrade for the? K3.Bill-W0BBI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com From kf7gc at arrl.net Thu May 21 17:39:55 2015 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXPA100 Message-ID: <1457655784.3768146.1432244395984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> KXPA100 100 watt amp with 5 watts in, no tuner, 3 months old, used with my Flex 1500 worked great.?Sold 1500 don't need the ampPerfect condition non smoking, $625,00 shipped.? 73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM NM AZ Section Net ORS, PAN Cycle 2 NM www.atenaz.net From kf7gc at arrl.net Thu May 21 17:46:28 2015 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXPA100 AMP Message-ID: <2003482615.3771818.1432244788893.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Forgot to add that Paypal is ok and you can call me at 928-710-9231KXPA100 100 watt amp with 5 watts in, no tuner, 3 months old, used with my Flex 1500 worked great.?Sold 1500 don't need the ampPerfect condition non smoking, $625,00 shipped.?73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM NM AZ Section Net ORS, PAN Cycle 2 NM www.atenaz.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 21 18:38:08 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 18:38:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 v KAT3A Message-ID: <555E5E50.5070107@aol.com> I am a bit confused by the different antenna tuners. KAT3 - original and will work in the K3S KAT3A - same as KAT3 but with a lower loss when bypassed? Anything else? -- Buck k4ia 8B DXCC K3# 101 KX3 #715 From rfriess at usa.net Thu May 21 18:49:44 2015 From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 15:49:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 v KAT3A In-Reply-To: <555E5E50.5070107@aol.com> References: <555E5E50.5070107@aol.com> Message-ID: That is correct! 73, Bob, N6CM On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, K4ia via Elecraft wrote: > I am a bit confused by the different antenna tuners. > > KAT3 - original and will work in the K3S > KAT3A - same as KAT3 but with a lower loss when bypassed? > > Anything else? > > -- > Buck > k4ia > 8B DXCC > K3# 101 KX3 #715 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net > From Mike at ve3yf.com Thu May 21 20:14:05 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 00:14:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Question Message-ID: Hi: For some reason every time I engage the Sub Receiver it defaults to CW. For example I have set it up on 80m to be in LSB via BSET and saved it, and yet it will stay in LSB for awhile, and at some point in time it just changes mode to CW still on the same freq etc. The setting will be held even if I turn the rig off and on, just after a period of time it just reverts back to CW. On my other K3, I don't have this problem. the other K3 holds the setting just fine. I thought perhaps the memory battery is going bad, but it is ok and all customized settings are holding. Has anyone ever experienced this problem 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 21 22:50:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Edward via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 02:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mini Questions/Problem interfacing with Client Computer Message-ID: <1405104081.172815.1432263007465.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hoping you can help.? Issue is as follows: -Using www.remotehams.com -Set up requires that I identify serial com port.? When I use the drop down for this, no port appears.? Nothing there.? Went to Device manager in computer and there are no ports listed there either. Computer is Lenovo Yogi 13, using Windows 8.1? Am dead in the water and not as computer literate as I would like to be.? Help! 73,Ed NI6S From dave at dpomeroy.com Fri May 22 01:04:19 2015 From: dave at dpomeroy.com (Dave Pomeroy) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 22:04:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kdsp2 Message-ID: <555EB8D3.3050806@dpomeroy.com> WTB Kdsp2. K8DNP Dave From hjohnc at gmail.com Fri May 22 08:21:30 2015 From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 08:21:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500 Message-ID: <555F1F4A.2000403@gmail.com> I am selling one of my KPA500s. The unit works perfectly and looks great. I'll keep my other KPA500, but will look for a bigger solid state amp as the main amp. The price is $1,800 plus shipping and insurance. Please respond to hjohnc at gmail dot com 73 de K1ESE John will look for a bigger solid state amp as the main amp.

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From k2mk at comcast.net Fri May 22 08:58:53 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 05:58:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Question In-Reply-To: <20150522001545.4B8F1149B58D@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150522001545.4B8F1149B58D@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1432299533434-7603432.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Mike, Did you possibly click on a spot from your logging programing? Have you conducted any tests without any PC programs talking to the K3? Do you use the M1 through M4 buttons as quick band segment jump keys? Did you use the K3 Frequency memory editor program? Did you set up the sub RX as well as the main RX in the program? 73, Mike K2MK Mike VE3YF wrote > Hi: > > For some reason every time I engage the Sub Receiver it defaults to > CW. For example I have set it up on 80m to be in LSB via BSET and > saved it, and yet it will stay > in LSB for awhile, and at some point in time it just changes mode to > CW still on the same freq etc. The setting will be held even if I > turn the rig off and on, just after a > period of time it just reverts back to CW. On my other K3, I don't > have this problem. the other K3 holds the setting just fine. I > thought perhaps the memory battery is > going bad, but it is ok and all customized settings are holding. > > Has anyone ever experienced this problem > > 73 De Mike > VE3YF -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Sub-Receiver-Question-tp7603428p7603432.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n4rp at n4rp.com Fri May 22 11:02:00 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:02:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ATU when operating remote... Message-ID: <555F44E8.10403@n4rp.com> Is there any way to 'tap' the ATU TUNE button via the CAT interface? That would come in handy when operating remotely... If someone can show me how to do it with DXLabs Commander, that'd be great ;) 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From lists at subich.com Fri May 22 11:15:04 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:15:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ATU when operating remote... In-Reply-To: <555F44E8.10403@n4rp.com> References: <555F44E8.10403@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <555F47F8.2070301@subich.com> See the K3 & KX3 Programmers Reference - SWT/SWH function ... You're looking for SWT19; > If someone can show me how to do it with DXLabs Commander, that'd be > great ;) Create a User Defined Command - see the Help file for Commander. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-22 11:02 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > Is there any way to 'tap' the ATU TUNE button via the CAT interface? > That would come in handy when operating remotely... > > If someone can show me how to do it with DXLabs Commander, that'd be > great ;) > > 73, Ross N4RP > From Mike at ve3yf.com Fri May 22 11:22:05 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 15:22:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Question Message-ID: Hi Mike: I think you hit the nail on the head with the segments. I have M1 - M4 setup as segments with different modes and I don't recall if I setup the sub receiver. I must have done it for the other rig but not this one. See learn something new everyday. Tnx Mike for bringing it to light. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Fri May 22 11:28:33 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:28:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ATU when operating remote... In-Reply-To: <555F47F8.2070301@subich.com> References: <555F44E8.10403@n4rp.com> <555F47F8.2070301@subich.com> Message-ID: <555F4B21.50001@n4rp.com> Thanks. That's exactly what I needed. Done. 73, Ross N4RP On 5/22/2015 11:15 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > See the K3 & KX3 Programmers Reference - SWT/SWH function ... > > You're looking for SWT19; > > > If someone can show me how to do it with DXLabs Commander, that'd be > > great ;) > > Create a User Defined Command - see the Help file for Commander. > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-22 11:02 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: >> Is there any way to 'tap' the ATU TUNE button via the CAT interface? >> That would come in handy when operating remotely... >> >> If someone can show me how to do it with DXLabs Commander, that'd be >> great ;) >> >> 73, Ross N4RP >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 22 13:05:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? Message-ID: <328266303.478241.1432314300885.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Is there an estimate for the P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? ? From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri May 22 13:25:54 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 10:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? In-Reply-To: <328266303.478241.1432314300885.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328266303.478241.1432314300885.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The monitor is listed on the Elecraft Shipping Status page: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 22, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Is there an estimate for the P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w0eb at cox.net Fri May 22 13:27:01 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The P3 TX monitor ship date is shown on the website (estimating after June 30) but nothing on the rest. I was one of the originals that modified my own KBPF3 so I don't need that, but the KXV3B Xverter I/O with the extra preamps I have on order, but no shipping info on that either. W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: 5/22/2015 12:05:00 PM Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? >Is there an estimate for the P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping >date? > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From hjohnc at gmail.com Fri May 22 13:41:42 2015 From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 13:41:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500 SOLD Message-ID: <555F6A56.7080100@gmail.com> The amp is sold. 73 de K1ESE John - - - - - - - I am selling one of my KPA500s. The unit works perfectly and looks great. I'll keep my other KPA500, but will look for a bigger solid state amp as the main amp. The price is $1,800 plus shipping and insurance. Please respond to hjohnc at gmail dot com 73 de K1ESE John From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 22 14:07:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <819190705.530669.1432318064743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> P3TXMON orders will begin shipping approximately June 30th. They have it up with the K3S and not with the P3 so I missed itI've been checking every few days From: Walter Underwood To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? The monitor is listed on the Elecraft Shipping Status page: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 22, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Is there an estimate for the P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? > >? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri May 22 15:41:51 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 15:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> Does the preamp on the KXV3B replace the current preamp or is it in addition to? I assume it is in addition. How do you turn it on and off? Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:12 PM To: Jim Lowman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B Correct. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: > So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need > this new board? > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only change. >> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will >> be posted when it's complete. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > elist_copy at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri May 22 15:54:34 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 15:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 v KAT3A In-Reply-To: References: <555E5E50.5070107@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001d094c9$23ca1d10$6b5e5730$@verizon.net> Any idea what the loss difference is? Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Friess Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 6:50 PM To: K4ia Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT3 v KAT3A That is correct! 73, Bob, N6CM On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM, K4ia via Elecraft wrote: > I am a bit confused by the different antenna tuners. > > KAT3 - original and will work in the K3S KAT3A - same as KAT3 but with > a lower loss when bypassed? > > Anything else? > > -- > Buck > k4ia > 8B DXCC > K3# 101 KX3 #715 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > rfriess at usa.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From w8nn at charter.net Fri May 22 16:51:30 2015 From: w8nn at charter.net (Bill Lewis) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 16:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles Message-ID: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end of transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be appreciates. Thanks, Bill W8NN - K line happy camper ;>) From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Fri May 22 16:54:29 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Anyone else try JG1XLZ's KSB2 Mod? Message-ID: <1782514876.619462.1432328069414.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Having just installed the KSB2 in my 2nd K2, I was wondering if this was worth trying.??I have had no complaints about my audio in the few QSOs I've had with it so far.?http://jg1xlz.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/elecraft_k2_ssb_sound_imp.html?I couldn't find any reference to it on this reflector.?Comments??73,Steve VE3SMA? ? From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 22 16:58:09 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 13:58:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> Message-ID: <654C15D8-70DA-4B7B-9C24-52A3CC0277F8@elecraft.com> Hi Bill, Just send an "IM" prosign character to terminate the diddles within < 1 second. That's ..-- Think of "IM" as "IMmediately stop sending". Wayne N6KR On May 22, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end of > transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be appreciates. > > > Thanks, Bill > W8NN - K line happy camper ;>) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 22 17:07:35 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> On May 22, 2015, at 12:41 PM, "N2TK, Tony" wrote: > Does the preamp on the KXV3B replace the current preamp or is it in addition > to? > I assume it is in addition. How do you turn it on and off? Preamp 2, on the KXV3B, is in addition to the normal preamp (preamp 1). But firmware will only let you turn on one or the other -- not both. When preamp 2 is ON, it totally dominates the noise figure equation, so there's no value in also turning on preamp 1. Preamp 2 has a gain of 20 dB, while preamp 1 has a gain of 10 dB. To turn preamp 2 ON, you first have to enable it on one or more of the applicable bands using the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu entry. You can enable it on 12, 10, and 6 meters. Once preamp 2 is enabled, tapping PRE cycles through OFF/PRE1/PRE2 on the applicable band. Other bands will only show OFF/PRE1. When PRE2 is selected, the PRE icon flashes slowly as a reminder. 73, Wayne N6KR > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric > Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:12 PM > To: Jim Lowman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B > > Correct. > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: >> So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need >> this new board? >> >> 73 de Jim - AD6CW >> >> On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only > change. >>> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will >>> be posted when it's complete. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> elist_copy at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n4rp at n4rp.com Fri May 22 17:12:53 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <555F9BD5.8080707@n4rp.com> I think you two might be talking across purposes. I got the impression Tony meant the external 6 or 6/10m preamp.... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/22/2015 5:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On May 22, 2015, at 12:41 PM, "N2TK, Tony" wrote: > >> Does the preamp on the KXV3B replace the current preamp or is it in addition >> to? >> I assume it is in addition. How do you turn it on and off? > Preamp 2, on the KXV3B, is in addition to the normal preamp (preamp 1). But firmware will only let you turn on one or the other -- not both. When preamp 2 is ON, it totally dominates the noise figure equation, so there's no value in also turning on preamp 1. Preamp 2 has a gain of 20 dB, while preamp 1 has a gain of 10 dB. > > To turn preamp 2 ON, you first have to enable it on one or more of the applicable bands using the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu entry. You can enable it on 12, 10, and 6 meters. > > Once preamp 2 is enabled, tapping PRE cycles through OFF/PRE1/PRE2 on the applicable band. Other bands will only show OFF/PRE1. > > When PRE2 is selected, the PRE icon flashes slowly as a reminder. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric >> Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:12 PM >> To: Jim Lowman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B >> >> Correct. >> 73, >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: >>> So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need >>> this new board? >>> >>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW >>> >>> On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only >> change. >>>> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will >>>> be posted when it's complete. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> elist_copy at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From ajzadiraka at gmail.com Fri May 22 17:15:40 2015 From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:15:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <654C15D8-70DA-4B7B-9C24-52A3CC0277F8@elecraft.com> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <654C15D8-70DA-4B7B-9C24-52A3CC0277F8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne How do you send ..-- from a keyboard? zeke ab8ou *Allan Zadiraka* *AJ ZA**DIRAKA LLC* 4110 State Rd Akron, OH 44319 Work: 234-738-4578 Cell: 330.760.4569 Fax: 330.644.1839 Join us at the *58th Annual ISA POWID Symposium*, June 7-11, 2015 in Kansas City http://www.isa.org/powersymp On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Just send an "IM" prosign character to terminate the diddles within < 1 > second. > > That's ..-- > > Think of "IM" as "IMmediately stop sending". > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On May 22, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > > > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end > of > > transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be > appreciates. > > > > > > Thanks, Bill > > W8NN - K line happy camper ;>) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ajzadiraka at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 22 17:23:02 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> Message-ID: <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> Bill, Record an "IM" (no letter space) character at the end of the message. If using the K3Utility to enter the message text, end it with "|" and that message will work fine for CW, RTTY, and PSK. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2015 4:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end of > transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be appreciates. > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri May 22 19:06:43 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <001e01d094e3$f954b6b0$ebfe2410$@verizon.net> Tnx Wayne. Sounds good. That is a good way to operate it. I will have to order it for both K3's. That is K3 without the "S". :-) N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 5:08 PM To: N2TK, Tony Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B On May 22, 2015, at 12:41 PM, "N2TK, Tony" wrote: > Does the preamp on the KXV3B replace the current preamp or is it in > addition to? > I assume it is in addition. How do you turn it on and off? Preamp 2, on the KXV3B, is in addition to the normal preamp (preamp 1). But firmware will only let you turn on one or the other -- not both. When preamp 2 is ON, it totally dominates the noise figure equation, so there's no value in also turning on preamp 1. Preamp 2 has a gain of 20 dB, while preamp 1 has a gain of 10 dB. To turn preamp 2 ON, you first have to enable it on one or more of the applicable bands using the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu entry. You can enable it on 12, 10, and 6 meters. Once preamp 2 is enabled, tapping PRE cycles through OFF/PRE1/PRE2 on the applicable band. Other bands will only show OFF/PRE1. When PRE2 is selected, the PRE icon flashes slowly as a reminder. 73, Wayne N6KR > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:12 PM > To: Jim Lowman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B > > Correct. > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: >> So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't need >> this new board? >> >> 73 de Jim - AD6CW >> >> On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only > change. >>> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will >>> be posted when it's complete. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> elist_copy at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri May 22 19:09:04 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B In-Reply-To: <555F9BD5.8080707@n4rp.com> References: <1307901189.3412608.1432218167438.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <555DFE90.7090105@sbcglobal.net> <555E03C2.1060605@elecraft.com> <00a801d094c7$5a7f0160$0f7d0420$@verizon.net> <9620A929-7C8C-4E8B-BF2C-0435461AF359@elecraft.com> <555F9BD5.8080707@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <001f01d094e4$4f46aab0$edd40010$@verizon.net> Hi Ross, Nope. Wayne got it right as to what I was asking about. I have one external 6/10M preamp now. Will replace with the internal KXV3B for both K3's. Makes it cleaner. And I never use both preamps at the same time anyways. Have a great weekend. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Ross Primrose [mailto:n4rp at n4rp.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 5:13 PM To: Wayne Burdick; N2TK, Tony Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B I think you two might be talking across purposes. I got the impression Tony meant the external 6 or 6/10m preamp.... 73, Ross N4RP On 5/22/2015 5:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On May 22, 2015, at 12:41 PM, "N2TK, Tony" wrote: > >> Does the preamp on the KXV3B replace the current preamp or is it in >> addition to? >> I assume it is in addition. How do you turn it on and off? > Preamp 2, on the KXV3B, is in addition to the normal preamp (preamp 1). But firmware will only let you turn on one or the other -- not both. When preamp 2 is ON, it totally dominates the noise figure equation, so there's no value in also turning on preamp 1. Preamp 2 has a gain of 20 dB, while preamp 1 has a gain of 10 dB. > > To turn preamp 2 ON, you first have to enable it on one or more of the applicable bands using the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu entry. You can enable it on 12, 10, and 6 meters. > > Once preamp 2 is enabled, tapping PRE cycles through OFF/PRE1/PRE2 on the applicable band. Other bands will only show OFF/PRE1. > > When PRE2 is selected, the PRE icon flashes slowly as a reminder. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:12 PM >> To: Jim Lowman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Question on KXV3B >> >> Correct. >> 73, >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> On 5/21/2015 8:49 AM, Jim Lowman wrote: >>> So, I assume that those of us who own the external preamp, don't >>> need this new board? >>> >>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW >>> >>> On 5/21/2015 7:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> The addition of the low-noise amplifier for 12-6 meters is the only >> change. >>>> The module is compatible with either the K3 or K3S. The manual will >>>> be posted when it's complete. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> On May 21, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> elist_copy at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> tony.kaz at verizon.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) "At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications." From b.denley at comcast.net Fri May 22 19:42:30 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 final test. Message-ID: <9AECFE59-9512-40E9-84A2-D18D7C2E6F02@comcast.net> Don et al: I am doing the final test on a KPA100 kit that I have assembled. Every test has been nominal but my W2 peaks out at 20 watts. I do get 5 watts when set at 5, etc. but for any setting above 20, I just get 20 watts out. If I go into tune mode for 10 sec or so, the KPA100 transistors do get hot. Every resistance test, etc. has been perfect, my bias is set at .97 amps. T-R is set to 8R- HOLD. Any ideas would be appreciated. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri May 22 19:47:37 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:47:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <96F01457-EAC9-4495-89E1-FE3A5DA78FC0@verizon.net> From a keyboard, you can send the proper character (a pipe)... it's the upper case of a backslash... on most keyboards just above the return key. It looks just like an upper case "i". On my screen I cannot distinguish a I from an |. But they are two different characters in the ASCII world. The "IM" only works from a paddle input. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 From mteberle at mchsi.com Fri May 22 20:03:55 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:03:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555FC3EB.4070806@mchsi.com> I called about my order a few days ago (credit card issue) and was told that the KXV3B should ship within another couple weeks so they offered to combine it with the shipment of the new synth boards I had ordered a couple weeks earlier. Mike KI0HA On 5/22/2015 12:27 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > The P3 TX monitor ship date is shown on the website (estimating after > June 30) but nothing on the rest. I was one of the originals that > modified my own KBPF3 so I don't need that, but the KXV3B Xverter I/O > with the extra preamps I have on order, but no shipping info on that > either. > > W0EB > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" > To: "Elecraft Reflector" > Sent: 5/22/2015 12:05:00 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit Shipping date? > >> Is there an estimate for the P3 TX Monitor, and KBPF3 Mod Kit >> Shipping date? >> > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri May 22 20:05:06 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:05:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 with KXPA100 Message-ID: <555FC432.1080803@foothill.net> Will a KXPA100 integrate with a K2? I sold my KPA100 in the "lid" because all I ever used my K2 for was QRP in the field. We're now getting ready to move to an HOA/CC&R "community" in Sparks NV, and it may be a while before I have anything other than field antennas. I will eventually have a flag pole and the roof area is large and thus high, so I can get wires up in the attic and garage as soon as I can get some help installing them there. In the meantime, as we're moving slowly this summer, I'd like a "more than QRP" radio for those times when we're there. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From mteberle at mchsi.com Fri May 22 20:10:17 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 19:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 final test. In-Reply-To: <9AECFE59-9512-40E9-84A2-D18D7C2E6F02@comcast.net> References: <9AECFE59-9512-40E9-84A2-D18D7C2E6F02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555FC569.6060805@mchsi.com> Have you double checked that the W2 is on the 200 or 2000 watt scale as opposed to 20 watts? Mike KI0HA On 5/22/2015 6:42 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > Don et al: > I am doing the final test on a KPA100 kit that I have assembled. Every test has been nominal but my W2 peaks out at 20 watts. I do get 5 watts when set at 5, etc. but for any setting above 20, I just get 20 watts out. If I go into tune mode for 10 sec or so, the KPA100 transistors do get hot. Every resistance test, etc. has been perfect, my bias is set at .97 amps. T-R is set to 8R- HOLD. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > From b.denley at comcast.net Fri May 22 20:14:47 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-100 never mind Message-ID: Problem solved. The K2 tune mode was limiting me to 20 watts (embarrassed). Once past that I get high power like I expected. Thanks anyway! Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 22 20:17:38 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:17:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 final test. In-Reply-To: <9AECFE59-9512-40E9-84A2-D18D7C2E6F02@comcast.net> References: <9AECFE59-9512-40E9-84A2-D18D7C2E6F02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <555FC722.9070506@embarqmail.com> Brian, The KPA100 TUNE automatically limits the power to 20 watts. Hold TUNE and DISPLAY together and the power output should be what is set on the power knob. If you have not yet balanced and calibrated the KPA100 wattmeter, use an external wattmeter that you can trust and adjust the forward power pot so the K2 display agrees with the external wattmeter. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2015 7:42 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > Don et al: > I am doing the final test on a KPA100 kit that I have assembled. Every test has been nominal but my W2 peaks out at 20 watts. I do get 5 watts when set at 5, etc. but for any setting above 20, I just get 20 watts out. If I go into tune mode for 10 sec or so, the KPA100 transistors do get hot. Every resistance test, etc. has been perfect, my bias is set at .97 amps. T-R is set to 8R- HOLD. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri May 22 21:20:34 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 18:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <654C15D8-70DA-4B7B-9C24-52A3CC0277F8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: There's a way to do this from within K3 Utility's "Terminal" screen (see its Help info). 73, Wayne N6KR On May 22, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Allan Zadiraka wrote: > Wayne > > How do you send ..-- from a keyboard? > > zeke > ab8ou > > Allan Zadiraka > > AJ ZADIRAKA LLC > 4110 State Rd Akron, OH 44319 Work: 234-738-4578 Cell: 330.760.4569 Fax: 330.644.1839 > > Join us at the 58th Annual ISA POWID Symposium, June 7-11, 2015 in Kansas City > http://www.isa.org/powersymp > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Just send an "IM" prosign character to terminate the diddles within < 1 second. > > That's ..-- > > Think of "IM" as "IMmediately stop sending". > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On May 22, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > > > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end of > > transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be appreciates. > > > > > > Thanks, Bill > > W8NN - K line happy camper ;>) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ajzadiraka at gmail.com > From woodr90 at gmail.com Fri May 22 21:23:09 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:23:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> RTTY & K3 buttons - how do you fare on FSK POL setting? M1-4 buttons, FSK POL = 0 K3 Utility program FSK POL =0 FSK via ACC port FSK POL=1 so when on FSK, the push buttons can't be used.... bummer 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:23 PM To: Bill Lewis; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles Bill, Record an "IM" (no letter space) character at the end of the message. If using the K3Utility to enter the message text, end it with "|" and that message will work fine for CW, RTTY, and PSK. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2015 4:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the > end of transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be appreciates. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From fcady at ece.montana.edu Fri May 22 22:37:20 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:37:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M by KE7X Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045ECCEE61@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M is written in the same style as KE7X's other K3 and KX3 books with expanded operation explanations, many diagrams, and exercises for the student, it covers the KXPA100 amplifier, the PX3 panadapter, and the 2M/4M transverter. For a description and table of contents, see http://www.ke7x.com/home/the-elecraft-kxpa100-px3-and-2m-4m-transverter. At present the hard copy book and a pdf version are available only at www.lulu.com (search for Elecraft). I hope to have it available on my website soon. 73, Fred, KE7X http://www.ke7x.com Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com. From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz Fri May 22 23:20:21 2015 From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 20:20:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Anyone else try JG1XLZ's KSB2 Mod? In-Reply-To: <1782514876.619462.1432328069414.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1782514876.619462.1432328069414.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1432351221564-7603464.post@n2.nabble.com> K2 here was built several years ago and later added the external 100w pa and tuner. For quite a while got reports of slightly ragged sideband but certainly not a show stopper. A few weeks ago finally took a look and found the bias on the K2 finals just slightly on the low side; according to the manual it was well within spec. Increased about % 10 tidied up ok. Part II was the mod you mention. this has also been done, can honestly say the K2 SSB is right on the money. I previously sent a note to the K2 forum, incorrectly typed the final bias about 100mA to high. ( need better glasses. ) cheers Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Anyone-else-try-JG1XLZ-s-KSB2-Mod-tp7603446p7603464.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From don at w3fpr.com Fri May 22 23:29:53 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 23:29:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <555FF431.6000102@w3fpr.com> I am not familiar with the acronym "POL" - please edify me. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2015 9:23 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > RTTY & K3 buttons - how do you fare on FSK POL setting? > > M1-4 buttons, FSK POL = 0 > K3 Utility program FSK POL =0 > FSK via ACC port FSK POL=1 > From woodr90 at gmail.com Sat May 23 01:39:55 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 00:39:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles Message-ID: <001301d0951a$e73d7fc0$b5b87f40$@gmail.com> K3 manual Configuration page 55 FSK Polarity (similar what's OFS by the RIT knob on K3S?) -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:don at w3fpr.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 10:30 PM To: woodr90 at gmail.com; 'Bill Lewis'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles I am not familiar with the acronym "POL" - please edify me. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/22/2015 9:23 PM, Robert Wood wrote: > RTTY & K3 buttons - how do you fare on FSK POL setting? > > M1-4 buttons, FSK POL = 0 > K3 Utility program FSK POL =0 > FSK via ACC port FSK POL=1 > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat May 23 01:45:23 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 05:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 with KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <555FC432.1080803@foothill.net> References: <555FC432.1080803@foothill.net> Message-ID: The K2 works FB with KXPA100. You may need to add a key out line, eg.http://www.mwrs.org.au/2014/04/20/elecraft-k2-amplifier-keying-circuit/ It is not as tightly integrated to the K2 as the KPA100, eg. if you change bands, you may need to tap the dit paddle to let the KXPA100 know you changed bands, then the KXPA100 will recall the appropriate LPF+KXAT100 tuning solution. But it works well, and is nice and quiet with PIN diode switching and fanless heat sink design. 73, Matt VK2RQ On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM -0700, "Fred Jensen" wrote: Will a KXPA100 integrate with a K2? I sold my KPA100 in the "lid" because all I ever used my K2 for was QRP in the field. We're now getting ready to move to an HOA/CC&R "community" in Sparks NV, and it may be a while before I have anything other than field antennas. I will eventually have a flag pole and the roof area is large and thus high, so I can get wires up in the attic and garage as soon as I can get some help installing them there. In the meantime, as we're moving slowly this summer, I'd like a "more than QRP" radio for those times when we're there. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From droese at necg.de Sat May 23 02:21:50 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:21:50 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55601C7E.9050901@necg.de> Robert, that's wrong. Using push buttons/memories from the K3 frontpanel all the time on FSK-D if I just need to send my call and a report to work some DX. No need to start RTTY on the PC then. ;-) If I use the PC for RTTY (MMTTY in my case) there's no need to change something. Either configure your RTTY software for "reverse polarity" if you want to leave the K3 default or simply change the K3's POL in the menu (I'm on the road right now but sure there is a menu option). K3 memories or doing RTTY with paddle will still work fine! 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 23.05.2015 um 03:23 schrieb Robert Wood: > RTTY & K3 buttons - how do you fare on FSK POL setting? > > M1-4 buttons, FSK POL = 0 > K3 Utility program FSK POL =0 > FSK via ACC port FSK POL=1 > > so when on FSK, the push buttons can't be used.... bummer > > 73 Robert W5AJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don > Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:23 PM > To: Bill Lewis; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles > > Bill, > > Record an "IM" (no letter space) character at the end of the message. > If using the K3Utility to enter the message text, end it with "|" and that > message will work fine for CW, RTTY, and PSK. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/22/2015 4:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: >> Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the >> end of transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be > appreciates. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sat May 23 04:03:16 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 08:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M by KE7X In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045ECCEE61@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045ECCEE61@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: So Fred, do you cover the new fixed tuning modes on PX3? I tried it for the first time this week, it is really cool. 73, Matt VK2RQ On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM -0700, "Cady, Fred" wrote: The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M is written in the same style as KE7X's other K3 and KX3 books with expanded operation explanations, many diagrams, and exercises for the student, it covers the KXPA100 amplifier, the PX3 panadapter, and the 2M/4M transverter. For a description and table of contents, see http://www.ke7x.com/home/the-elecraft-kxpa100-px3-and-2m-4m-transverter. At present the hard copy book and a pdf version are available only at www.lulu.com (search for Elecraft). I hope to have it available on my website soon. 73, Fred, KE7X http://www.ke7x.com Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From corvettedan at hotmail.com Sat May 23 08:39:41 2015 From: corvettedan at hotmail.com (Dan T) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 07:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft mailing list submissions Message-ID: Sent from my Western Electric rotary phone. From jim at n7us.net Sat May 23 08:51:39 2015 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 07:51:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <55601C7E.9050901@necg.de> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> <555F9E36.8030905@embarqmail.com> <000301d094f7$08402980$18c07c80$@gmail.com> <55601C7E.9050901@necg.de> Message-ID: <004d01d09557$370b3880$a521a980$@net> Unlike Yaesu radios I've had, I've never had to change the polarity of my K3 or any program, including MMTTY, to reverse for FSK (FSK D in the K3). 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Robert, that's wrong. Using push buttons/memories from the K3 frontpanel all the time on FSK-D if I just need to send my call and a report to work some DX. No need to start RTTY on the PC then. ;-) If I use the PC for RTTY (MMTTY in my case) there's no need to change something. Either configure your RTTY software for "reverse polarity" if you want to leave the K3 default or simply change the K3's POL in the menu (I'm on the road right now but sure there is a menu option). K3 memories or doing RTTY with paddle will still work fine! 73, Olli - DH8BQA Am 23.05.2015 um 03:23 schrieb Robert Wood: > RTTY & K3 buttons - how do you fare on FSK POL setting? > > M1-4 buttons, FSK POL = 0 > K3 Utility program FSK POL =0 > FSK via ACC port FSK POL=1 > > so when on FSK, the push buttons can't be used.... bummer > > 73 Robert W5AJ From bwruble at gmail.com Sat May 23 09:24:24 2015 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 09:24:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY Message Button Diddles In-Reply-To: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> References: <002001d094d1$14a9c350$3dfd49f0$@net> Message-ID: I find briefly touching the "SUB" button terminates the extra 4 seconds. Not sure why. 73 de Brian W3BW *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Bill Lewis wrote: > Any info on eliminating the 4 second span of diddles present at the end of > transmission when using a message push button and RTTY would be > appreciates. > > > Thanks, Bill > W8NN - K line happy camper ;>) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com > From kf7gc at arrl.net Sat May 23 12:35:25 2015 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 16:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXPA100 AMP Message-ID: <1354309681.935622.1432398925723.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> - ?FOR SALE Elecraft KXPA100 100W AMP?? - Just three months old. Warranty still good. Used it with my Flex 1500 and it works great. - ?No tuner. In perfect condition, non smoking. My Flex put in 5 watts and The amp put out 100 watts on all bands. - 160-6. It also auto band switches with the radio. - It will work on any QRP radio. $625.00 shipped conusa. You can call me at Tomy 928-710-9231 ?73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM NM AZ Section Net ORS, PAN Cycle 2 NM www.atenaz.net From kissov at me.com Sat May 23 13:35:48 2015 From: kissov at me.com (Richard Thorpe) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Test Message-ID: <61EDA8B3-A4C7-4891-BD48-61737B67AEE4@me.com> This is just a test I?m having trouble posting. I hope I?ve fixed it. Thank you. R Thorpe K6CG From brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu Sat May 23 13:54:42 2015 From: brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu (Brian R. Malone) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 13:54:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Test In-Reply-To: <61EDA8B3-A4C7-4891-BD48-61737B67AEE4@me.com> References: <61EDA8B3-A4C7-4891-BD48-61737B67AEE4@me.com> Message-ID: <493CC6C0-4AAF-4BC8-98E3-488297F37996@Pharmacy.StJohns.edu> QSL have a nice weekend. Brian W2BRM NY > On May 23, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Richard Thorpe wrote: > > This is just a test I?m having trouble posting. I hope I?ve fixed it. Thank you. > > R Thorpe K6CG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.malone at pharmacy.stjohns.edu From furlan at gmx.net Sat May 23 17:40:42 2015 From: furlan at gmx.net (Dr. Werner Furlan) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 23:40:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 K3 preamp for sale Message-ID: <5560F3DA.17060.6178C9@furlan.gmx.net> Low Noise (0.5 dB typ) 6m Preamp (50 to 54 MHz) for sale. Price 100 Euro + shipping. If interested, please PM. 73! de Werner OE9FWV -- Always remember that you are unique, just like everyone else. Email powered by Pegasus Mail free at Homepage: Fone +43 5522 75013 Fax +43 5522 22505 Mobile +43 664 6340014 From w6sx at arrl.net Sat May 23 19:20:35 2015 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 16:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switched 12 Volts Message-ID: For the last month or so, the switched 12VDC OUT phono jack on the back of my K3 isn't switched. My P3 is plugged into this jack. As soon as I turn the 12-volt power supply on, the P3 powers up even though the K3 is not on. When I hit POWER on the K3 to power down the K3, the P3 stays on. To power down the P3, I have to turn the 12-volt power supply off. It used to work as advertized--switched. Ideas? 73, Hank, W6SX From lists at subich.com Sat May 23 19:41:28 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 19:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switched 12 Volts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55611028.5010302@subich.com> Based on the K3 schematics (page 5), I would check Q2 FDS6375. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-23 7:20 PM, Hank Garretson wrote: > For the last month or so, the switched 12VDC OUT phono jack on the back of > my K3 isn't switched. My P3 is plugged into this jack. As soon as I turn > the 12-volt power supply on, the P3 powers up even though the K3 is not on. > When I hit POWER on the K3 to power down the K3, the P3 stays on. To power > down the P3, I have to turn the 12-volt power supply off. > > It used to work as advertized--switched. Ideas? > > 73, > > Hank, W6SX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k1gq at mac.com Sat May 23 19:43:23 2015 From: k1gq at mac.com (K1GQ) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 19:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Switched 12 Volts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EBE03C1-EBA3-493D-A272-7A0708C16965@mac.com> On 2015-05-23, at 19:20, Hank Garretson wrote: > > For the last month or so, the switched 12VDC OUT phono jack on the back of my K3 isn't switched. My P3 is plugged into this jack. As soon as I turn the 12-volt power supply on, the P3 powers up even though the K3 is not on. When I hit POWER on the K3 to power down the K3, the P3 stays on. To power down the P3, I have to turn the 12-volt power supply off. > > It used to work as advertized--switched. Ideas? Lower right corner of K3 RF Board schematic, Sht. 3 of 4. J10 = 12V In, J11 = 12V Out. From phils at riousa.com Sun May 24 00:07:19 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 21:07:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Message-ID: The weekly SSB net is Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P From k2mk at comcast.net Sun May 24 09:22:33 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 06:22:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New user - two antenna questions In-Reply-To: <01cc01d0949c$0035cfc0$00a16f40$@net> References: <01cc01d0949c$0035cfc0$00a16f40$@net> Message-ID: <1432473753740-7603481.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Peter, You probably will need the protection on the K3 AUX RF input. There is some minimal built in protection in the form of carrier operated relays (COR). You'll see them in the block diagrams at the end of the K3 user manual. But if you hear the relays clicking while transmitting it's suggested that the internal protection might not be sufficient. If you are already using the key out connection on the back of the K3 for an amplifier you can use the auxiliary key out connection in the 15 pin accessory socket. It is a low current output so you might require an additional driver transistor if your current protection device draws high current. Specs are contained in the user manual. The K3 remembers settings such as ANT1 and ANT2 on a per band basis. So yes, you can have an HF antenna on ANT1 and a 6 meter antenna on ANT2 and not have to worry about pressing any additional buttons when you change bands. 73, Mike K2MK Peter W2IRT wrote > Hello all, > Waiting on my K3s, which will be my first-ever Elecraft product. I'm going > through as much documentation as I can but I have a couple of questions at > the moment that I'm not seeing any reference to online. I have ordered the > ATU module and a the second receiver. > > First off, I'm transitioning from a Yaesu Mark V, and I have a K9AY > receive > loop that's connected to the radio's auxiliary antenna port. The Mark-V > requires a relay cutoff to protect the front end from the aux-in line when > transmitting, which obviously I have installed. Will I need to use this on > the K3S, and if so, how does it interface? Or is there built-in protection > within the K3S, so that when I'm transmitting at 1500W I won't risk damage > to the front end from the receive antenna? > > Second, I have one coax coming in for my HF antennas (and ancillary > station > equipment), and a second direct coax for my 6m Yagi on a different tower. > Is > it possible to place the 6m Yagi on ANT-2 and HF system coax on ANT-1, and > have the radio switch automatically when I invoke 6m? > > --------------------------------------------- > 73 and Good DX > Peter, W2IRT -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-user-two-antenna-questions-tp7603433p7603481.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6jhb at me.com Sun May 24 09:57:47 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 06:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New user - two antenna questions In-Reply-To: <1432473753740-7603481.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <01cc01d0949c$0035cfc0$00a16f40$@net> <1432473753740-7603481.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, Another option might be for you to try the Array Solutions product: AS-FEP. This is a small device that is placed between the receive antenna and the rig. It protects the radio?s front end by electronically switching (and very fast) the receive antenna out if it senses too much RF coming in on it. I got one a few weeks ago and it works quite well. I have a ground-mounted multi-band vertical that I use as my receive antenna. My transmit antenna is an all-band wire doublet that is no more than 30 feet from the tip of that vertical. When running my KPA500 at 525+ watts on CW, at 25 WPM, it works perfectly. I no longer hear the K3?s COR?s clicking when I transmit. And it is so fast that I can?t tell it is in the line - the other signals in the receiver?s pass band are still audible between characters. The only thing you need to be cautious of is to never, never transmit through it, as that will release the smoke in it?s internal components! I believe there are other devices similar to this on the market, but the AS-FEP is highly rated and is only $55USD. I gave it a try and have been very, very happy with it. 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Sunday, May 24, 2015, at Sunday, 6:22 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > You probably will need the protection on the K3 AUX RF input. There is some > minimal built in protection in the form of carrier operated relays (COR). > You'll see them in the block diagrams at the end of the K3 user manual. But > if you hear the relays clicking while transmitting it's suggested that the > internal protection might not be sufficient. If you are already using the > key out connection on the back of the K3 for an amplifier you can use the > auxiliary key out connection in the 15 pin accessory socket. It is a low > current output so you might require an additional driver transistor if your > current protection device draws high current. Specs are contained in the > user manual. > > The K3 remembers settings such as ANT1 and ANT2 on a per band basis. So yes, > you can have an HF antenna on ANT1 and a 6 meter antenna on ANT2 and not > have to worry about pressing any additional buttons when you change bands. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > Peter W2IRT wrote >> Hello all, >> Waiting on my K3s, which will be my first-ever Elecraft product. I'm going >> through as much documentation as I can but I have a couple of questions at >> the moment that I'm not seeing any reference to online. I have ordered the >> ATU module and a the second receiver. >> >> First off, I'm transitioning from a Yaesu Mark V, and I have a K9AY >> receive >> loop that's connected to the radio's auxiliary antenna port. The Mark-V >> requires a relay cutoff to protect the front end from the aux-in line when >> transmitting, which obviously I have installed. Will I need to use this on >> the K3S, and if so, how does it interface? Or is there built-in protection >> within the K3S, so that when I'm transmitting at 1500W I won't risk damage >> to the front end from the receive antenna? >> >> Second, I have one coax coming in for my HF antennas (and ancillary >> station >> equipment), and a second direct coax for my 6m Yagi on a different tower. >> Is >> it possible to place the 6m Yagi on ANT-2 and HF system coax on ANT-1, and >> have the radio switch automatically when I invoke 6m? >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> 73 and Good DX >> Peter, W2IRT > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-user-two-antenna-questions-tp7603433p7603481.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From phils at riousa.com Sun May 24 00:04:36 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 21:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement Message-ID: The weekly SSB net is Sunday at 1800z on 14.303.5 MHz. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P From kf7gc at arrl.net Sun May 24 10:37:11 2015 From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 14:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXPA100 Message-ID: <758726027.1193871.1432478231431.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Amp is sold!Thanks!?73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM NM AZ Section Net ORS, PAN Cycle 2 NM www.atenaz.net From cyaffey at gmail.com Sun May 24 11:22:48 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 11:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 for sale Message-ID: <387973A1-7749-49DC-8285-FD5719A62CC8@gmail.com> After the dust settled from the SK estate sales, I found one last item: a KAT2 antenna tuner. I have no details or documents. Picture on request. $113.00 includes shipping. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From dledoux at camtel.net Sun May 24 12:18:34 2015 From: dledoux at camtel.net (Dale LeDoux) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 11:18:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, etc. For sale Message-ID: I have the following items for sale: Lot 1: Three month old KX3, factory-assembled. Serial Number 7668 KXAT3 Internal tuner, factory-installed. KXBC3 Internal NiMH Charger / Real-Time Clock, factory-installed. Set of NiMH batteries installed. MH3 Hand Mic Pro Audio Kx31 Heatsink (not installed) KX3-2M-AT-K 2-meter module (not installed) Cables as supplied with original purchase All together - $1300 Lot 2: KXPA100 Power Amplifier, Factory assembled, never used. KXAT100- F, Automatic Antenna Tuner, factory installed, never used. KXPACBL Interface cable for KX3 to KXPA Cables as supplied with original purchase All together - $1050 All Items were purchased in March 2015. I have operated the KX3 a few hours, all on digital modes. It is working quite well. I find that I still prefer a larger radio. I will accept Paypal or postal money order as payment. Shipping will be via UPS Ground, included in the pricing. Dale LeDoux KD5QI From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 24 12:32:40 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 09:32:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <5561FD28.3040903@coho.net> Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From n6mql at arrl.net Sun May 24 14:48:31 2015 From: n6mql at arrl.net (ARRL - N6MQL) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 11:48:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Question & NR audio canceling Message-ID: <55621CFF.9090707@arrl.net> Wayne, The new KSYN3A is supposed to have the new wonderful T/R speed making CW QSK sound like the old KSYN3 with the QRQ selected to on (for the most part). This leaves me with the question... Since the QRQ function is still available when you have the new KSYN3A boards installed, what does it do? Is there any change between having the new Sync boards in and turning on or off the QRQ function on the K3? Or is it essentially making no difference other than killing your RIT and Split functions? Perhaps my ears are lying to me, but it still seems that if I use the QRQ setting the T/R switching seems much smoother when moving fast. Perhaps this is reson for using the "New QSK" mode in the CW WGHT menu setting? Also, is there anything that can be done about the way the audio is completely canceled out when you have a loud noise floor and you're using the NR and then move the Width knob? If I'm in the middle of a QSO with someone (in receive) and I have my NR on (because the noise floor is loud) and then I decide to narrow the filter down onto the person I'm listening to I loose copy because the audio drops out as I'm moving my filter settings. If this were a case of the NR having to rebuild, I would almost rather have it turn itself off as the filter bandwidth is moving then rebuild when you've stopped turning the knob. Michael N6MQL From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun May 24 17:28:46 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Hunter Ellington via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 21:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini Message-ID: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> This is probably a silly question, but here goes. In reading the sales material for the new Flex Maestro, I was intrigued by the idea of operating over a wireless LAN so the radio can go with you around the house. Can we do the same thing with the K3/0 Mini???K0GFY? R. Hunter Ellington 303-996-6585/720-560-8139 P.O. Box 44 Larkspur, CO 80118 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 24 17:46:11 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 14:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <556246A3.1040800@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,5/24/2015 2:28 PM, Hunter Ellington via Elecraft wrote: > In reading the sales material for the new Flex Maestro, An engineer friend who saw the Maestro in their booth described it as something of the quality he might have done in high school. 73, Jim K9YC From k2mk at comcast.net Sun May 24 17:51:04 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 14:51:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1432504264805-7603491.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Hunter, This isn't an answer to your question but you might find the information useful. Are you familiar with WiFi extenders? They are used to extend wireless signals to weak zones in your house. Some of them also have an Ethernet port for connection to a non WiFi equipped device. I use the inexpensive Netgear WN3000RP. There are faster and slower versions available as well. 73, Mike K2MK Elecraft mailing list wrote > This is probably a silly question, but here goes. In reading the sales > material for the new Flex Maestro, I was intrigued by the idea of > operating over a wireless LAN so the radio can go with you around the > house. Can we do the same thing with the K3/0 Mini??? > > K0GFY? R. Hunter Ellington -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-tp7603489p7603491.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun May 24 19:49:57 2015 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 16:49:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 Microphone Freq Response Improvement In-Reply-To: <1432511189120-7603492.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432316171816-7603440.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432511189120-7603492.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Filing this Sent from my iPad On May 24, 2015, at 6:46 PM, k9jri [via Elecraft] > wrote: I have a follow up to the modification: On the air testing indicated that while the highs were improved some the bass was still excessive so another try was warranted. I did find a helpful article correcting the same issue in the recent version Icom HM-36 which is a very similar mic. I removed the shorting strap across the entire original RC circuit (2K with .3 in parallel) and also removed the original .3 SMD in parallel with the 2K resistor. I then placed a .01 mylar in the same position that the shorting strap had used and the highs were increased significantly without changing the lows much at all. This results in 2K with .01 in parallel for the frequency compensating network. It receives good reports now and looks fairly full across the entire 3kHz. bandwidth my buddies panadapter is looking at. My EQ settings are: 3.2 = 0 2.4 = +3 1.6 = 0 0.8 = 0 0.4 = -3 0.2 = -6 0.1 = -9 0.05 = -12 Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI ________________________________ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MH3-Microphone-Freq-Response-Improvement-tp7603440p7603492.html To start a new topic under [KX3], email ml-node+s365791n6380738h25 at n2.nabble.com To unsubscribe from [KX3], click here. NAML ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/MH3-Microphone-Freq-Response-Improvement-tp7603440p7603493.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eseeliger at earthlink.net Sun May 24 20:04:02 2015 From: eseeliger at earthlink.net (Edward Seeliger) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 19:04:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini and Wireless Message-ID: <23768311.1432512243363.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good evening Hunter. Microbit has wireless modules that go into the Microbit RRC 1258 boxes and make them wireless. They work well within my home network, BUT they are somewhat difficult to use on an external network. I use them at home without problems. I learned how to use them over the past weeks from a hotel while away on a trip (after many attempts over the past few months). You must setup a bridge with a laptop/ethernet adaptor to get around the hotel wireless browser / login process (thanks Mitch - DJ0QN/K7DX!). Search the Microbit RemoteRig forum for "wireless in hotel" or similar to find the details. Edd - KD5M From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun May 24 20:28:31 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 17:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <1432504264805-7603491.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1432504264805-7603491.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55626CAF.8060808@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Just about any access point will have a "bridge mode" and a "client mode." Client mode is usually what you want. They aren't range extenders, but that function doesn't help in the application you're describing. 73 -- Lynn On 5/24/2015 2:51 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > This isn't an answer to your question but you might find the information > useful. Are you familiar with WiFi extenders? They are used to extend > wireless signals to weak zones in your house. Some of them also have an > Ethernet port for connection to a non WiFi equipped device. From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun May 24 20:34:59 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 20:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <55626CAF.8060808@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1432504264805-7603491.post@n2.nabble.com> <55626CAF.8060808@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <3A5C6834-B57B-4308-A6F9-59E463D35E8F@portcredit.net> I own a kx3, a ts480 with remote rig, and a flex 6300. The flex solution is going to replace my ts480/remote rig due to the improvement in rf deck for a remote base. Also, their so2r solution just made my setup at the far end so much easier. Short story, is I ordered on. Mike va3mw > On May 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Just about any access point will have a "bridge mode" and a "client mode." > > Client mode is usually what you want. > > They aren't range extenders, but that function doesn't help in the application you're describing. > > 73 -- Lynn > >> On 5/24/2015 2:51 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: >> This isn't an answer to your question but you might find the information >> useful. Are you familiar with WiFi extenders? They are used to extend >> wireless signals to weak zones in your house. Some of them also have an >> Ethernet port for connection to a non WiFi equipped device. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From gerry at w1ve.com Sun May 24 20:45:55 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 20:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <75157597.703767.1432502926292.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The K3/0 does not have a network connection as part of the solution. There are two ways to use it with the Wireless lan: - If you use the RemoteHams software, you can use a Windows tablet as the interface (You can get a Dell Venue 8 tablet on eBay for about $100) and plug your K3/0 into it. - You can use a RemoteRig box with a Wireless interface or a Wireless Bridge. 73, Gerry, W1VE Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373 AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Hunter Ellington via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > This is probably a silly question, but here goes. In reading the sales > material for the new Flex Maestro, I was intrigued by the idea of operating > over a wireless LAN so the radio can go with you around the house. Can we > do the same thing with the K3/0 Mini? K0GFY R. Hunter Ellington > 303-996-6585/720-560-8139 > P.O. Box 44 > Larkspur, CO 80118 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com From km6cq at km6cq.com Mon May 25 01:05:17 2015 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 22:05:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cooler KX Plus Heatsink Install Message-ID: Here is a email I sent to Fred, his company sales and manufactures the Cooler KX Plus heatsink. For those that are going to install this heatsink, you may benefit from my experience. Hi Fred, My Cooler KX Plus arrived on time Thursday I think it was. I installed it tonight and all went well. I thought you may be interested in my experience. I am sure you have heard this before but here goes. At the start I tested the threads on my factory assembled unit. The left side (short black screw) went in fine, The right side would not. Then I tested the left side with the shiny hex bolt, no problem. I was prepared to chase the threads on the right side but I did not. This is because at a close look I could see the hole was not properly centered. I opened the case and the black bolt went it fine, then the shiny one did as well. Then I simply followed your instructions and installation went very smoothly. I am very pleased with the precision fit. You did a very nice job on the product. I will highly recommend it. Best Regards, Dan KM6CQ From b.denley at comcast.net Mon May 25 14:14:43 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 twins configuration Message-ID: <01A2E53F-DD76-43B3-BCF1-6235215556B6@comcast.net> How does the K2 get it's power when only the high current supply is connected? I ask because sometimes my K2 doesn't - unless I connect a supply to the K2 directly. Is it through the KIO2? I also notice that when the power is lower the 11 watts, the SWR lights on my KAT100 do not light - but they do light when the power is 11 watts or higher. In both cases I can hear the KAT109 relays cranking away. Thanks Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From k8cxm at hotmail.com Mon May 25 14:22:53 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail)) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Cooler KX Plus Heatsink Install Message-ID: From: Jim Leder Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 2:00 PM To: km6cq at km6cq.com ; Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Cooler KX Plus Heatsink Install I had the exact same experience with the longer screw being slightly off center. And, since I did not do the build on mine, I was unaware of the sticky tape holding the old heat sink to the case. Finally figured it out after reviewing the build directions, and then pushed on one end, fairly hard, till it popped off. Sailed half way across the room! But, all was fine and I completed the heat sink replacement. Fred later advised to use a heat gun, or hair dryer on the outside of the old heat sink to soften the sticky tape so that it would come off easier. Very satisfied with the VE7FMN heat sink and Fred's support and advice! Very nice upgrade! Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999 There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Mon May 25 16:53:21 2015 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 13:53:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: LP-Pan 2 and the Blob Message-ID: <1432587201709-7603501.post@n2.nabble.com> Today I set about to get my new sound card/K3/LP-Pan 2/NAp3/new shack computer working in harmony. Alas, it was not to be. I've got the levels set correctly (thanks to Larry) and signals are apparent on the band. What is perplexing is what I have named The Blob (see attached screen shot). It is: on all bands; moves in Free Mode NaP3) and is centered around VFO A marker with about 1/3 of the Blob lower in frequency and 2/3 higher than VFO A. It makes me wonder if there is something in the IF signal from the K3 to LP-Pan. The S-meter on the K3 says it is S3-4 in the Blob. I've searched for a setting in the K3 that I've overlooked but nothing. It is so strange to see a symmetrical shape to the Blog--like it is being shaped by a filter. If this is true picture of the spectrum at my QTH, then I've got huge problems outside. The sound card is a U5 set to 192 Khz. Computer is a W7 64-bit. Turning the LP-Pan attenuator ON does reduce the amplitude but but does not eliminate the Blob. I had just completed a noise audit of the QTH and found some switching power supplies that have been fixed with cores. This picture, however, is much worse than previously so something has changed. Just want to rule out a K3/LP-Pan 2 problem. I'm going to cross post this on the Elecraft and LP-Pan reflectors. Any thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Clark/WU4B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-LP-Pan-2-and-the-Blob-tp7603501.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon May 25 16:55:53 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 20:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 twins configuration In-Reply-To: <01A2E53F-DD76-43B3-BCF1-6235215556B6@comcast.net> References: <01A2E53F-DD76-43B3-BCF1-6235215556B6@comcast.net> Message-ID: There is a cable from KPA100 called "KPA100-J4" that normally connects to the K2's "P3" connector halfway along the right edge of the K2's RF board (when looking from the front of the radio. In a "twins" configuration, my guess is that this cable would not be connected, in which case you would need to power the K2 via the 2.1mm coaxial power socket on the back of the K2. Maybe someone with a twins setup can comment on this. 73, Matt VK2RQ _____________________________ From: Brian Denley Sent: mardo, majo 26, 2015 4:15 atm Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 twins configuration To: Elecraft Reflector , How does the K2 get it's power when only the high current supply is connected? I ask because sometimes my K2 doesn't - unless I connect a supply to the K2 directly. Is it through the KIO2? I also notice that when the power is lower the 11 watts, the SWR lights on my KAT100 do not light - but they do light when the power is 11 watts or higher. In both cases I can hear the KAT109 relays cranking away. Thanks Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From 9artus at gmail.com Mon May 25 17:37:29 2015 From: 9artus at gmail.com (artus) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:37:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Blown finals Message-ID: <1432589849718-7603503.post@n2.nabble.com> Folks, I have a K2 that's a couple years old. A friend and I were working with it a couple weeks ago and switched an antenna connection -- the K2 went blank. After a bit of trancing it was apparent that one of the finals went. It was not in transmit. Pulling the bad final resulted in the K2 coming back to life. We ordered the final replacement kit and my friend installed the kit -- triple checked his installation and wrote: "Got everything back together, checked to make sure the cathodes weren't shorted to ground. Attached the heat sink. Double checked topside to see if the cathodes were shorted. Triple checked. Attached the top cover. Set PS voltage limit to 10v and current limit to 1 amp. Dummy load. Punched the on button and voltage immediately dropped below 1 volt. No smoke, no noise. Cathodes are shorted to ground. I assume the finals are blown." I'll get another final kit on its way -- but need to find the issue before installing. What is the best approach? I haven't written Elecraft, yet. 73, Jack (W0FNQ)Folks, -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blown-finals-tp7603503.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From esteptony at gmail.com Mon May 25 18:48:10 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 17:48:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: LP-Pan 2 and the Blob In-Reply-To: <1432587201709-7603501.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432587201709-7603501.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Clark, set the audio driver to ASIO. Tony KT0NY On May 25, 2015 3:54 PM, "engineercm" wrote: > > Today I set about to get my new sound card/K3/LP-Pan 2/NAp3/new shack > computer working in harmony. Alas, it was not to be. > > I've got the levels set correctly (thanks to Larry) and signals are apparent > on the band. What is perplexing is what I have named The Blob (see attached > screen shot). It is: on all bands; moves in Free Mode NaP3) and is > centered around VFO A marker with about 1/3 of the Blob lower in frequency > and 2/3 higher than VFO A. It makes me wonder if there is something in the > IF signal from the K3 to LP-Pan. The S-meter on the K3 says it is S3-4 in > the Blob. I've searched for a setting in the K3 that I've overlooked but > nothing. It is so strange to see a symmetrical shape to the Blog--like it > is being shaped by a filter. If this is true picture of the spectrum at my > QTH, then I've got huge problems outside. > > The sound card is a U5 set to 192 Khz. Computer is a W7 64-bit. Turning > the LP-Pan attenuator ON does reduce the amplitude but but does not > eliminate the Blob. > > I had just completed a noise audit of the QTH and found some switching > power supplies that have been fixed with cores. This picture, however, is > much worse than previously so something has changed. Just want to rule out > a K3/LP-Pan 2 problem. > > I'm going to cross post this on the Elecraft and LP-Pan reflectors. > > Any thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Clark/WU4B > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-LP-Pan-2-and-the-Blob-tp7603501.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com From ajm at ttecs.com.au Mon May 25 21:00:43 2015 From: ajm at ttecs.com.au (Tony McRae) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 01:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction Message-ID: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. Thanks for reading this Tony VK4CH From w9ac at arrl.net Mon May 25 21:49:06 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 21:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & RemoteRig Message-ID: For those of you running a K3 + RemoteRig station with multiple users, this may be of interest. Although we could not get the K3 Utility to communicate with the tower site K3 using RemoteRig's spare COM port, another list member suggested Win4K3 Suite software. I can report that the software does pass the COM data through RemoteRig to the K3. For remote site operations with multiple users, this means each op can now save and recall their favorite user settings in a personal profile. With Win4K3, all K3 settings are polled and saved in about ten seconds at the standard 38.4Kbps transfer speed. Paul, W9AC From repair at willcoele.com Tue May 26 01:20:55 2015 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 22:20:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Blown finals In-Reply-To: <1432589849718-7603503.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432589849718-7603503.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432617655563-7603507.post@n2.nabble.com> Check the bias voltage. If it's too high, it can blow the finals. Sometimes the circuit that provides the bias can have a shorted transistor and drive too much current into the base of the final transistors. Jack WA9FVF Willco Electronics ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blown-finals-tp7603503p7603507.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jlbates4 at gmail.com Tue May 26 08:39:38 2015 From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 05:39:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? Message-ID: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. Comments encouraged!!! 73 de K8OI ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET Tue May 26 08:54:47 2015 From: K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET (Mike Greenway) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 08:54:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Noise Message-ID: <2439CDFF34FA4F2FA928B24F3003F82E@SHACK> I was doing some power line noise tracking with my AM VHF radio and brought it into the shack and laid it on the desk with no antenna and started receiving a loud buzz from it. The tracker radio was tuned in the 135 Mhz area. I moved it around to all the suspects like computer monitors, TV, computer etc but it turned out the noise was coming from the P3. I took all the cables off the P3 and used a battery to power it and the noise was still there very loud. I am always working to keep the RF noise low from all the items in the shack so not sure what to do about this one. The This P3 was factory assembled. Has anyone else seen this problem? 73 Mike K4PI From 9artus at gmail.com Tue May 26 09:19:17 2015 From: 9artus at gmail.com (artus) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 06:19:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Blown finals In-Reply-To: <1432617655563-7603507.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432589849718-7603503.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432617655563-7603507.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432646357619-7603510.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Jack, That sounds like a very reasonable starting point. We'll first check to see it the finals are indeed blown; because my friend had a current limited supply set at 1 amp, perhaps not. 73, Jack (W0FNQ) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blown-finals-tp7603503p7603510.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kari at dxsupply.com Tue May 26 10:25:40 2015 From: kari at dxsupply.com (Kari SM0HRP) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:25:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432650340309-7603511.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi! I have used the K3 mini extensively over the year. Both over a ADSL line and 4G. . Latency is dependent on the internet access - on ADLS it is 10 ms on 4G 30-40 ms.The K3 mini is so well established and works so well with the K3 and the RRC 1258 units so it is just for you to go and buy it. There is no big difference with different codecs. I use the next lowest quality level and when running dual mode it consumes about 400 kbps. Going for better audio quality I could not hear the difference to be honest. I have worked over 700 QSO:s over a year and all major Dx-peditions on almost all bands which proves the quality of the system. My system can be seen on qrz.com. I control ACOM2000A:s and OM 2500A:s with rotor controls from Green Heron. Works UFB. Join the satisfied Electraft K3 remote club. You wont be disappointed. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508p7603511.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue May 26 10:47:35 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:47:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC Message-ID: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> All, I have an acquaintance in the Columbia, SC, area, who is interested in getting into amateur radio. I suggested that Field Day would be a great place for him to really get a good look at today's amateur radio. When I checked the ARRL Field Day Locator, there are no sites listed yet for Columbia. Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in Columbia? He lives in the Lexington/West Columbia/South Congaree areas, but I'll happily provide him info on any Field Day site anywhere in Metro Columbia. Thanks for your help. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From htodd at twofifty.com Tue May 26 10:52:02 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I used mine to remote my radio all of about two feet. It was nice having a smaller control head on my computer desk. I bought it thinking I could use it to work Kansas while I was on vacation in Japan - and then I never used it for that. Kansas is the only state I don't have on CW. I have to get it set up again and get it working through my firewall. It was definitely a fun thing to play with. On Tue, 26 May 2015, jlbates4 wrote: > I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's > siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig > products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. > > I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency > commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. > > Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? > > My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do > some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. > > Comments encouraged!!! > > > 73 de K8OI > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From jbollit at outlook.com Tue May 26 11:15:22 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 08:15:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Have you thought of an intervention? I have had MANY, or I would be penniless now, living out of a Ford Pinto.................... Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jlbates4 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 5:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. Comments encouraged!!! 73 de K8OI ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue May 26 11:24:42 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:24:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: <74ADAA08E9B8446998E5DB371DF9F0CE@K8UTPC> References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> <74ADAA08E9B8446998E5DB371DF9F0CE@K8UTPC> Message-ID: <0cc901d097c8$173643b0$45a2cb10$@gmail.com> Thanks, Larry. Some of these are new since I looked Sunday. At that time, the closest site to Lexington was in Camden. A couple of the sites showing now should work. I'll pass the info along. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Gauthier (K8UT) [mailto:K8UT at charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:13 AM To: Ian - Ham Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC The ARRL Field Day locator map shows 4 FD sites in the general vicinity of Columbia: http://www.arrl.org/field-day-locator -larry (K8UT) -----Original Message----- From: Ian - Ham Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:47 AM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' ; elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com ; FT817 at yahoogroups.com ; ft-857 at yahoogroups.com ; ft-857d at yahoogroups.com ; sedxc at contesting.com Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC All, I have an acquaintance in the Columbia, SC, area, who is interested in getting into amateur radio. I suggested that Field Day would be a great place for him to really get a good look at today's amateur radio. When I checked the ARRL Field Day Locator, there are no sites listed yet for Columbia. Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in Columbia? He lives in the Lexington/West Columbia/South Congaree areas, but I'll happily provide him info on any Field Day site anywhere in Metro Columbia. Thanks for your help. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From larry at rn.org Tue May 26 08:46:27 2015 From: larry at rn.org (Larry Snyder) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/0 and Auto Turn on KPA500 from K3 Message-ID: <059501d097b1$fc6fb810$f54f2830$@rn.org> Two questions - When can we expect to see the K3S/0-MINI-F remote head for remote control?? And I have a K3/P3/KAT500 and KPA500. The P3/KAT500 are connected to the 12V from the back of the K3 but is there an option or way to turn on the KPA500 when the K3 is turned on?? 73s Larry HK2LS -- Larry Snyder, RN.ORG "Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org for their Nursing CEUs Daily!" From larry at rn.org Tue May 26 08:50:33 2015 From: larry at rn.org (Larry Snyder) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 07:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Message-ID: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> Good Morning I have a KAT500 with a vertical on ANT 1 and a Hex on ANT 3. I go to 20 meters with Auto flashing an put the radio in AM and the KAT500 tunes and finds a good SWR - all is fine. Then I play around with other frequencies and then come back and for some reason the KAT500 appears to not remember the tuning parameters and then retunes again for the same frequency on the same antenna. Why is this?? This happens frequently (i.e.: not remembering the settings and going into retune). Also, the SWR meter on the K3 is always blank (i.e.: no bars) while on the K3 and KPA500 I see the SWR at 1.5?? 73s from Colombia Larry HK2LS -- Larry Snyder, RN.ORG "Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org for their Nursing CEUs Daily!" From k4zrj at icloud.com Tue May 26 12:28:05 2015 From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:28:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Noise In-Reply-To: <2439CDFF34FA4F2FA928B24F3003F82E@SHACK> References: <2439CDFF34FA4F2FA928B24F3003F82E@SHACK> Message-ID: <25EF16D1-5A27-47C4-8680-51D501AC7830@icloud.com> Yes, mine does it as well. I was using an Icom IC-91A HT on 135Mhz AM (with rubber duck antenna) and as I moved the HT away from the P3, the noise diminished into the normal noise level at a distance of about 2 feet. Seems to be strongest directly in front of the display. Even to the sides of the P3, the noise is barely detectable. Didn?t determine the bandwidth of the noise, but it seems to be fairly broad, however it doesn?t seem to be detectable with any other of my station gear. 73, Charles, K4ZRJ On May 26, 2015, at 8:54, Mike Greenway wrote: > I was doing some power line noise tracking with my AM VHF radio and brought it into the shack and laid it on the desk with no antenna and started receiving a loud buzz from it. The tracker radio was tuned in the 135 Mhz area. I moved it around to all the suspects like computer monitors, TV, computer etc but it turned out the noise was coming from the P3. I took all the cables off the P3 and used a battery to power it and the noise was still there very loud. I am always working to keep the RF noise low from all the items in the shack so not sure what to do about this one. The This P3 was factory assembled. Has anyone else seen this problem? 73 Mike K4PI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4zrj at icloud.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 26 12:44:37 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:44:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5564A2F5.2060607@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/26/2015 7:47 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: > Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in Columbia? How about looking for ham clubs in his area? 73, Jim K9YC From phils at riousa.com Tue May 26 12:48:11 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net results from May 24, 2015 In-Reply-To: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> References: <05BCEB8D-8761-4014-8F35-AE03BB3AB452@riousa.com> Message-ID: <82E69D72-A1CA-449D-BF57-84DEF950C18F@riousa.com> It was rough going with poor propagation to most areas, but we did have 32 participants. Here is the list of stations: CALL NAME QTH RIG NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 W4PFM Paul VA K3 1673 AB7CE Roy MT K2 40 QRP WB5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 K4GCJ Jerry NC K3 1597 WB9JNZ/m Eric WI IC7000 N1LQ Dave MA K3 371 W6NIA/m Matt AZ KX3 6 KX6F John TN K3 7023 KC0XT David CA KX3 6980 K5ZCJ Larry OK K3 6592 W0CZ Ken ND KX3 4275 K5RHD Randy NM K3 6642 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 W7HD Ron AZ KX3 6966 QRP K6WDE Dave CA KX3 4599 QRP KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP KE7FSD Al AZ K3 8532 N6JW/m John CA KX3 K7BIE Jim AZ K3 7992 K7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 AD5HS Scott MS K3 5634 K4BKM Bryan NC K3 8893 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 W0SGM Scott IA K3 8898 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 K6VEO John CA K3 8447 W4LDD Larry NC KX3 7664 K7JEO Jim CO KX3 4722 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 73, Phil, NS7P From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue May 26 12:49:25 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:49:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: <5564A2F5.2060607@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> <5564A2F5.2060607@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Yes, the ARRL website lists all clubs in a given area. Ken - K0PP From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 26 12:56:49 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:56:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> References: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> Message-ID: <5564A5D1.9080409@foothill.net> On 5/26/2015 5:50 AM, Larry Snyder wrote: > I have a KAT500 with a vertical on ANT 1 and a Hex on ANT 3. > > I go to 20 meters with Auto flashing an put the radio in AM and the KAT500 > tunes and finds a good SWR - all is fine. Then I play around with other > frequencies and then come back and for some reason the KAT500 appears to not > remember the tuning parameters and then retunes again for the same frequency > on the same antenna. Why is this?? This happens frequently (i.e.: not > remembering the settings and going into retune). If the MAN or AUTO LED is flashing, the KAT500 will tune as soon as enough RF is applied [~20 W]. Not sure I follow your explanation but ... I run my KAT500 in MAN all the time and it never "forgets." I originally taught it by stepping through the segments of the bands and getting a match. I occasionally need to retune [like when it's been raining, which doesn't happen much out here in California these days], but basically it always knows. Not sure how "AM" got into this ... if I want the KAT to retune, I tap the KAT TUNE button, the MAN LED flashes and I hold XMIT on the K3. The K3 goes to tune power, the KAT tunes, and when it's done, I tap XMIT. > > Also, the SWR meter on the K3 is always blank (i.e.: no bars) while on the > K3 and KPA500 I see the SWR at 1.5?? I don't follow that. The KAT500 SWR LED's display the SWR as seen by the KPA500 [after matching] as does the KPA500 too. It's the SWR on the jumper cable from the KPA output to the KAT input. The K3 displays the SWR looking into the KPA500, an impedance that should be essentially 50+j0 ohms for a 1:1 SWR. I don't see any SWR bars on my K3 either. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From phystad at mac.com Tue May 26 13:13:36 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery Message-ID: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> I don?t have a KXPA100 yet to go with my KX3 but when I get one (soon) it will be used almost entirely in portable operation off batteries ? in particular: A123 Lithium battery packs. Currently have two 2.5 Amp-Hour packs and will be buying at least one 7.5 Amp-Hour pack (maybe two). Although many times I will be able to recharge my battery packs in the field (maybe not always conveniently) I would like to know about how much time (in real operating practice) I would expect from, let?s say 5 amp-hours of available charge. I could do computations and estimate duty cycle but I would also like to have real-world experience if someone has done something similar. My operating configuration would be: CW only and operating with enough power out to make good contacts (maybe only 50 watts or so). Currently, I have been limited to QRP to 10 watts on my KX3 and a number of times I had wanted more power ? thus my motivation for using this amplifier and battery power. Thanks for any help you can provide ? actual field experience preferred. 73, phil, K7PEH From kilo4tmc at gmail.com Tue May 26 13:16:39 2015 From: kilo4tmc at gmail.com (Henry Pollock - K4TMC) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 13:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ian, One potential site may be the Congaree National Park. It is just south of Columbia. They do have a camping site location, there are rest rooms and plenty of parking for cars and trucks. I just did a drive-by and short visit last week on the way to a job in Augusta. There is no admittance fee to enter the park. The negatives are that it is in a low area along the Congaree River and the mosquito factor may be high in June. Not sure what their restrictions may be on radio operations. 73, Henry - K4TMC Raleigh, NC On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: > All, > > > > I have an acquaintance in the Columbia, SC, area, who is interested in > getting into amateur radio. I suggested that Field Day would be a great > place for him to really get a good look at today's amateur radio. When I > checked the ARRL Field Day Locator, there are no sites listed yet for > Columbia. Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in Columbia? > He lives in the Lexington/West Columbia/South Congaree areas, but I'll > happily provide him info on any Field Day site anywhere in Metro Columbia. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > 73 de, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kilo4tmc at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 26 13:55:15 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:55:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> Message-ID: <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/26/2015 10:13 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Thanks for any help you can provide ? actual field experience preferred. You might want to reconsider your battery choices. Of what's available, LiFePO4 batteries seem to be in the "sweet spot" for operation of our gear. Their advantages include terminal voltage that matches our gear designed to work on 12-14V, a nice flat discharge curve, a much better safety profile than Li Ion, and less demanding charging requirements. I bought a BLF-1220W 20Ah pack from these folks, and loaned it and my KX3, KXPA100, and PX3 to a couple of guys who were activating a rare 6M grid. It's a demanding hike up a mountain to the site, so weight was a major factor. The low current drain of this rig on RX allowed them to work all day on that battery, and the terminal voltage was 13V when they went QRT. They also carried a second 20Ah pack loaned by W6GJB, but didn't need it. As luck would have it, the band never opened while they were there, so they made only 17 QSOs. They easily might have used up both batteries if the band had opened. http://www.bioennopower.com/pages/comm-equipment-ham-radio Note the weight of the battery I chose, and compare it to the other 20Ah batteries listed. Here's another excellent battery vendor. W6GJB bought his from them. Both companies provide intelligent applications advice by email and land line. http://www.batteryspace.com/ 73, Jim K9YC From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Tue May 26 14:32:40 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:32:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Henry... The poster is/was looking for a site where a group was going to hold FD, -not- a place to hold a FD event. 73! Ken - K0PP On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote: > Ian, > > One potential site may be the Congaree National Park. It is just south of > Columbia. They do have a camping site location, there are rest rooms and > plenty of parking for cars and trucks. I just did a drive-by and short > visit last week on the way to a job in Augusta. There is no admittance fee > to enter the park. The negatives are that it is in a low area along the > Congaree River and the mosquito factor may be high in June. Not sure what > their restrictions may be on radio operations. > > 73, > Henry - K4TMC > Raleigh, NC > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: > > > All, > > > > > > > > I have an acquaintance in the Columbia, SC, area, who is interested in > > getting into amateur radio. I suggested that Field Day would be a great > > place for him to really get a good look at today's amateur radio. When I > > checked the ARRL Field Day Locator, there are no sites listed yet for > > Columbia. Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in > Columbia? > > He lives in the Lexington/West Columbia/South Congaree areas, but I'll > > happily provide him info on any Field Day site anywhere in Metro > Columbia. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > > 73 de, > > > > > > > > --Ian > > > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > > Roswell, GA EM74ua > > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > > > PODXS 070 #1962 > > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kilo4tmc at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From phystad at mac.com Tue May 26 14:42:50 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim, I took a look and they appear to be cheaper than the A123 packs (the brief scan I did) ? I may buy one or two. But, with my two 4S1P A123 battery packs have performed very well with the KX3 so far. Although, this is a KX3 running QRP to 10 watts. 73, phil > On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Tue,5/26/2015 10:13 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Thanks for any help you can provide ? actual field experience preferred. > > You might want to reconsider your battery choices. Of what's available, LiFePO4 batteries seem to be in the "sweet spot" for operation of our gear. Their advantages include terminal voltage that matches our gear designed to work on 12-14V, a nice flat discharge curve, a much better safety profile than Li Ion, and less demanding charging requirements. > > I bought a BLF-1220W 20Ah pack from these folks, and loaned it and my KX3, KXPA100, and PX3 to a couple of guys who were activating a rare 6M grid. It's a demanding hike up a mountain to the site, so weight was a major factor. The low current drain of this rig on RX allowed them to work all day on that battery, and the terminal voltage was 13V when they went QRT. They also carried a second 20Ah pack loaned by W6GJB, but didn't need it. As luck would have it, the band never opened while they were there, so they made only 17 QSOs. They easily might have used up both batteries if the band had opened. > > http://www.bioennopower.com/pages/comm-equipment-ham-radio > > Note the weight of the battery I chose, and compare it to the other 20Ah batteries listed. > > Here's another excellent battery vendor. W6GJB bought his from them. Both companies provide intelligent applications advice by email and land line. > > http://www.batteryspace.com/ > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From nc3z at centurylink.net Tue May 26 14:50:51 2015 From: nc3z at centurylink.net (NC3Z) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:50:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> Message-ID: <5564C08B.7080802@centurylink.net> Phil, I had posted this to the KX3 list a few months back. I have a Bioenno LiFePO4 12V/12A (BLF-1212W) battery pack for my KX3 station. The battery is powering the KX3, my KXPA100 at full power and a pair of West Mountain Radio amplified speakers (the new PX3 was not in the mix). I have been testing on 160M with the group I hang around with and I have been doing a lot more transmission cycles than normal (usually on 3 or 4 hams in the group) so I am transmitting frequently. I terminated the test when I reached 11V as indicated on the KX3 and this is the amount of operating I was able to get on a single charge. Day 1 3 hours Day 2 2 hours Day 3 2 hours Day 4 2 hours Day 5 1/2 hour plus 3 additional hours on receive. Even at the end no untoward issues with the signal was reported. Pretty pleased so far for such a small battery. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 www.mitchelson.org On 5/26/2015 13:13, Phil Hystad wrote: > I don?t have a KXPA100 yet to go with my KX3 but when I get one (soon) it will be used almost entirely in portable operation off batteries ? in particular: A123 Lithium battery packs. Currently have two 2.5 Amp-Hour packs and will be buying at least one 7.5 Amp-Hour pack (maybe two). > > Although many times I will be able to recharge my battery packs in the field (maybe not always conveniently) I would like to know about how much time (in real operating practice) I would expect from, let?s say 5 amp-hours of available charge. > > I could do computations and estimate duty cycle but I would also like to have real-world experience if someone has done something similar. > > My operating configuration would be: CW only and operating with enough power out to make good contacts (maybe only 50 watts or so). Currently, I have been limited to QRP to 10 watts on my KX3 and a number of times I had wanted more power ? thus my motivation for using this amplifier and battery power. > > Thanks for any help you can provide ? actual field experience preferred. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Tue May 26 14:55:08 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:55:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Can you switch between two configuration setting? Message-ID: <5564C18C.2040100@hawkins-zhu.com> I've started using my KX3 for JT65-HF, in addition to portable SSB SOTA operation. Obviously the radio is configured differently for both modes (switch on freq, mode, pre-amp setting, power and a number of menu based settings like Mic Bias, Mic Btn, AFX MD). Yesterday I got into the field and realized I'd not changed back from JT65 settings to SSB settings and while it did not take long to do, my question is, "Is there a way to set up the KX3 so I can just recall one of two configuration settings from the front panel without use of KX3 utility to quickly switch between the correct settings for these two operating modes?" 73's Gary K6YOA From w6jhb at me.com Tue May 26 14:57:20 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:57:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <72B1CF29-F28C-46E5-8E58-CD4D0BC6C30A@me.com> I second Jim?s recommendation. I?ve been using a 12 aH AGM lead acid battery for about two years. It weighs a tad over 10 pounds. I purchased a 12 aH LiFePO battery from Bioennopower a couple weeks ago. Wow - what a difference! This one weighs about three pounds, and seems to last forever. I?ve been using it with my KX3 at 10 watts nearly every evening on the back patio and it?s still at the same voltage level as when I first charged it up. We?re planning a trip to the Philippines next year and I?m glad I got this lightweight unit to take along. Got their 117/220 charger for a couple dollars more, so I can charge it up here or there and not worry about the supply voltage. Also have a 28 watt solar panel that?s going along, in case there is one of the all-too-often ?brown out? situations. 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Tuesday, May 26, 2015, at Tuesday, 10:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Tue,5/26/2015 10:13 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> Thanks for any help you can provide ? actual field experience preferred. > > You might want to reconsider your battery choices. Of what's available, LiFePO4 batteries seem to be in the "sweet spot" for operation of our gear. Their advantages include terminal voltage that matches our gear designed to work on 12-14V, a nice flat discharge curve, a much better safety profile than Li Ion, and less demanding charging requirements. > > I bought a BLF-1220W 20Ah pack from these folks, and loaned it and my KX3, KXPA100, and PX3 to a couple of guys who were activating a rare 6M grid. It's a demanding hike up a mountain to the site, so weight was a major factor. The low current drain of this rig on RX allowed them to work all day on that battery, and the terminal voltage was 13V when they went QRT. They also carried a second 20Ah pack loaned by W6GJB, but didn't need it. As luck would have it, the band never opened while they were there, so they made only 17 QSOs. They easily might have used up both batteries if the band had opened. > > http://www.bioennopower.com/pages/comm-equipment-ham-radio > > Note the weight of the battery I chose, and compare it to the other 20Ah batteries listed. > > Here's another excellent battery vendor. W6GJB bought his from them. Both companies provide intelligent applications advice by email and land line. > > http://www.batteryspace.com/ > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 26 15:33:24 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5564CA84.3050006@foothill.net> Phil, It appears that there are three types of batteries with lithium in their names ... Li-ion, Li-poly, and LiFePO4. Li-ion, in one or another of the variants, usually power laptops, cell phones, and Tesla's. They're pretty stable, you can take them on aircraft although there are some limits on total weight and packing. Li-poly are very small and light with a high energy density and are used mainly by RC hobbyists. I have a 750 mAh one for my KX1, it's a little smaller than a small matchbox and weighs an ounce or so. They're somewhat unstable, I wouldn't recommend internal mounting. I had one catch fire while I was operating, it was on a pigtail which I pulled loose and tossed it over the deck rail onto our gravel driveway. I always charge my current one outside. LiFePO4 seem to be very stable. I have a 4S1P A123 2.5 Ah pack for my K2. At full charge, it is almost 14 V which drops quickly to around 13.5 where it pretty much stays until almost depleted. With my K2 on CW in QRP field contests [flight of the bumbles], it has powered 3-4 hours of steady operation. So far, I get tired and hungry faster than I can run it down. It does require a cell-balancing charger, mine is a CellPro-Multi4 which will charge a variety of chemistries. Considering all, LiFePO4 seems to be the best choice ham use. Use great care with Li batteries of any flavor. They have an incredibly high energy density for their size and weight, and incredibly low internal resistance, so fuse the leads and don't ever short it. My 2.5 Ah pack will easily deliver 10 to 15 times that [25 - 40 A] into a short. You can spot weld with them and some of the larger ones would probably start my truck. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/26/2015 11:42 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Thanks Jim, > > I took a look and they appear to be cheaper than the A123 packs (the > brief scan I did) ? I may buy one or two. But, with my two 4S1P A123 > battery packs have performed very well with the KX3 so far. > Although, this is a KX3 running QRP to 10 watts. From w0eb at cox.net Tue May 26 15:41:05 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:41:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Kit Review Message-ID: This is mainly for those who are contemplating getting the KXPA100 to go along with a KX3 (with or without the PX3). Picked my KXPA100 kit up at the UPS customer center this morning about 9:15. Got it home about 10:00, unpacked and inventoried by 10:30 and completely assembled by 11:15. So far this is the simplest kit I've ever built and really worth doing to save money. The only tools it took were a #1 Phillips screwdriver and a pair of needle nose pliers. What took the longest was figuring out how to hook it up to the KX3/PX3 combination. Nothing in the KXPA100 assembly or Operating manuals that I found. Had to go to the PX3 manual to find the information. It might be a good idea for the manual writer/editor to include at least a reference to the PX3 manual for this configuration. If you don't have a PX3, instructions for hooking everything together in the KXPA100 book is pretty clear. I heartily recommend the optional cable kit and it really simplifies things and you don't have to spend a lot of time making something up to making it play nice. Once I had everything connected and the KXPA power output display calibration done, I hooked it to my Alpha Delta DX-LB 160/80/40 meter dipole to check the tuner's capability. It found a match on all bands 160-6 meters and no worse than a 1.2:1 SWR so it's certainly as good as the tuner in the K3. I have one of those MFJ 4230MV compact 30 amp switching power supplies and got everything cabled so it powers the KX3, a stereo audio speaker bar, PX3, KXAT100 and when needed a small clip-on LED logging light. By the way, this supply is very quiet RF wise and I can't find any noise from it on any ham band powering either the KX3 or K3 from it (I have the 45 amp MFJ 4245MV supply on the K3/P3 main operating desk and it's quiet too). I'm not currently planning on operating it mobile, but we're going to be visiting relatives in Texas, Louisiana and Florida next month so will have a collapsible vertical and the KX3 setup with me. It will be nice to have the 100 watt amp along to help overcome poor band conditions when the KX3's normal output isn't quite enough to maintain a QSO. I really like the way the firmware is set up in the KX3 and KXPA100 so that operation is as close to seamless as it can be. The auto bypass of the internal KX3 tuner when the amp is on is really nice and the auto-on of the amp when the KX3 is turned on is SUPER nice! The next project will be setting up as compact a carrying case as possible to safely transport the KX3, PX3, KXPA100 and all the accessories. Jim - W0EB From adi.top at gmail.com Tue May 26 15:52:49 2015 From: adi.top at gmail.com (Adi Toplician) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 22:52:49 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K1 Message-ID: Hello, I want to buy two crystals for my K1, 26.050 and 18.100 and the LCD bezel if they are still available. Thanks! 73! Adi YO2LIW From kilo4tmc at gmail.com Tue May 26 16:14:27 2015 From: kilo4tmc at gmail.com (Henry Pollock - K4TMC) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Field Day Site, Columbia SC In-Reply-To: References: <0c9701d097c2$e81abb60$b8503220$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oops...I have sinned! I did what I have seen others do - respond too quickly without fully understanding the question. I apologize for the misdeed. I will crawl back into my hole now...may the reflector gods forgive me... 73, Henry - K4TMC (with K3 #98 still going strong since birth) On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Rose wrote: > Henry... > > The poster is/was looking for a site where a group was going to hold FD, > -not- a place to hold a FD event. > > 73! > > Ken - K0PP > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Henry Pollock - K4TMC < > kilo4tmc at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ian, >> >> One potential site may be the Congaree National Park. It is just south of >> Columbia. They do have a camping site location, there are rest rooms and >> plenty of parking for cars and trucks. I just did a drive-by and short >> visit last week on the way to a job in Augusta. There is no admittance >> fee >> to enter the park. The negatives are that it is in a low area along the >> Congaree River and the mosquito factor may be high in June. Not sure what >> their restrictions may be on radio operations. >> >> 73, >> Henry - K4TMC >> Raleigh, NC >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: >> >> > All, >> > >> > >> > >> > I have an acquaintance in the Columbia, SC, area, who is interested in >> > getting into amateur radio. I suggested that Field Day would be a great >> > place for him to really get a good look at today's amateur radio. When I >> > checked the ARRL Field Day Locator, there are no sites listed yet for >> > Columbia. Does anyone on list know of any Field Day activities in >> Columbia? >> > He lives in the Lexington/West Columbia/South Congaree areas, but I'll >> > happily provide him info on any Field Day site anywhere in Metro >> Columbia. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks for your help. >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 de, >> > >> > >> > >> > --Ian >> > >> > Ian Kahn, KM4IK >> > Roswell, GA EM74ua >> > km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> > >> > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >> > >> > PODXS 070 #1962 >> > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> > http://www.avast.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to kilo4tmc at gmail.com >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com >> > > From daleputnam at hotmail.com Tue May 26 16:16:46 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 14:16:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe it is parts at elecraft.com ... on their web page is the address and yes, those are still available, I just ordered them a couple weeks ago, have them installed and working now. Good Luck, Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 22:52:49 +0300 > From: adi.top at gmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K1 > > Hello, > > I want to buy two crystals for my K1, 26.050 and 18.100 and the LCD bezel > if they are still available. > > Thanks! > > 73! Adi > YO2LIW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue May 26 16:27:58 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 13:27:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <5564CA84.3050006@foothill.net> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5564CA84.3050006@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5564D74E.3020901@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,5/26/2015 12:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Li-ion, in one or another of the variants, usually power laptops, cell > phones, and Tesla's. They're pretty stable, you can take them on > aircraft although there are some limits on total weight and packing. Not quite, Fred. A sample of a Li-ion pack must be tested in a certified lab before it can go on aircraft. See the right sidebar here. http://www.batteryspace.com/ Some of their products are UN 38.3 certified, but many are not. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 26 16:45:48 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 13:45:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery In-Reply-To: <5564D74E.3020901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <62CC8DDE-9A6D-4CF4-8E94-5C80CF84BA34@mac.com> <5564B383.1080602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5564CA84.3050006@foothill.net> <5564D74E.3020901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5564DB7C.7050208@foothill.net> Yep, which is one of a nearly countable infinity of reasons for not buying Li batteries from that big country a few thousand miles west of us. I seem to remember there is a limit on the amount of lithium you can take on. My pack says "Approved by TSA for carry-on baggage. Contains less than 8 grams of lithium equivalent per pack." My little Li-poly has no statement like that on the label. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/26/2015 1:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Not quite, Fred. A sample of a Li-ion pack must be tested in a certified > lab before it can go on aircraft. See the right sidebar here. > http://www.batteryspace.com/ Some of their products are UN 38.3 > certified, but many are not. From rboates at incentre.net Tue May 26 17:06:23 2015 From: rboates at incentre.net (Randy) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:06:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? Message-ID: I am fairly new to Elecraft and the K3 but I do have the K3/0 mini and the Remoterig twins for K3. I ordered and installed the WiFi board for the Remoterig. All works excellent. As long as the WiFi connection is OK, the K3/0 mini connects to the remote site and operates as if you are there. Many QSO's using the remote equipment and the other party cannot tell the difference. I am just using the standard MH2 mike. I do like the WiFi option as if allows me to establish stored WiFi connects that are remembered when I return so I simply set up the K3/0 mini and remote rig, turn it on and with a minute or so, it is ready to operate. Latency is small and not really noticeable so no issues there. You can use the K3/0 mini within your network but you may need a different destination IP than if you are outside the network. I have operated both ways. I have not played with the codecs yet. My audio reports are good. I do have a PC at the remote site and I connect to it with Team Viewer which allows me to operate and monitor the KAT500 and KPA500 via my laptop. I use the Elecraft beta control software for this. Home QTH is Calgary, Alberta. My K3 is British Columbia (VE7). I have operated from Phoenix, Fort Lauderdale and Calgary on a fairly regular basis. And, at the K3 site, take the K3/0 mini onto the deck outside and operate there when the weather is nice. Just a few comments. Randy VE6RMB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the Remoterig products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. Comments encouraged!!! 73 de K8OI From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Tue May 26 18:09:59 2015 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:09:59 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> References: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> Message-ID: <5564EF37.2010200@david-woolley.me.uk> This is normally done ahead of the aerial input and will work with any receiver that supports such an input. Effectively what you are doing is creating a null in the antenna pattern in the direction of the source. It needs an effective point source to work well. If the signal is getting out through the mains lead, it may be more difficult. http://www.g8jnj.net/rfnoisecancellation.htm http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1138 http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1205 Incidentally, the first article claims a 30dB, rather than 20dB null. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 26/05/15 02:00, Tony McRae wrote: > I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. > This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. > > The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. > Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? > I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. From dick at elecraft.com Tue May 26 18:22:01 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Can you switch between two configuration setting? In-Reply-To: <5564C18C.2040100@hawkins-zhu.com> References: <5564C18C.2040100@hawkins-zhu.com> Message-ID: Gary: You might be able to set up a couple of command macros to set the relevant settings, this is exactly the sort of thing they were created to address, See KX3 Utility Help for the Command Tester and the K3/KX3 Programming ref on our manual page. But Config restore is pretty much all the micro controller's EEPROM, and doesn't have room for several copies, 73 de Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2015, at 11:55, Gary Hawkins wrote: > > I've started using my KX3 for JT65-HF, in addition to portable SSB SOTA operation. Obviously the radio is configured differently for both modes (switch on freq, mode, pre-amp setting, power and a number of menu based settings like Mic Bias, Mic Btn, AFX MD). "Is there a way to set up the KX3 so I can just recall one of two configuration settings from the front panel without use of KX3 utility to quickly switch between the correct settings for these two operating modes?" From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 26 18:40:37 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dwight Dick via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 22:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Running the KX3 and KXPA100 Off Battery (Phil Hystad) Message-ID: <608857164.2705163.1432680037631.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, Operating portable with a KX-3 and KXPA-100 running 50W I typically observe 6-8 hours of useful life per charge using this jumpstarter battery:? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KBINF7G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1?? They advertise that this is 18AH, but they do not advertise the low-voltage point of their measurement, so take that for what it is worth when you make your comparison. -DwightKF5WOE From don at w3fpr.com Tue May 26 19:00:46 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:00:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 twins configuration In-Reply-To: References: <01A2E53F-DD76-43B3-BCF1-6235215556B6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5564FB1E.6050807@w3fpr.com> Matt, That is correct. In the base K2, there will be no connection to P3 (the AUX 12V header), so the base K2 will not receive any power from the KPA100. The base K2 must be powered using the 2.1mm coaxial power connector. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/25/2015 4:55 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > There is a cable from KPA100 called "KPA100-J4" that normally connects to the K2's "P3" connector halfway along the right edge of the K2's RF board (when looking from the front of the radio. > In a "twins" configuration, my guess is that this cable would not be connected, in which case you would need to power the K2 via the 2.1mm coaxial power socket on the back of the K2. Maybe someone with a twins setup can comment on this. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > > _____________________________ > From: Brian Denley > Sent: mardo, majo 26, 2015 4:15 atm > Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 twins configuration > To: Elecraft Reflector , > > > How does the K2 get it's power when only the high current supply is connected? I ask because sometimes my K2 doesn't - unless I connect a supply to the K2 directly. Is it through the KIO2? > I also notice that when the power is lower the 11 watts, the SWR lights on my KAT100 do not light - but they do light when the power is 11 watts or higher. In both cases I can hear the KAT109 relays cranking away. > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue May 26 19:49:04 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:49:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IC-2800 Message-ID: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> Msg off to ICOM Tech Support. We'll see how this compares to Elecraft support and service. I really need to reorganize the memories on the 2800, the UI through the control head is marginally OK when just adding a new one, it's a non-starter for a reorg. The programming SW won't run on 64-bit Windoze. I finally got a virtual machine running using Virtual Box, installed an old version of XP, and voila! the ICOM software runs. Now I find I can't get the radio into clone mode. Ctrl-Alt-Delete for an IC2800 is mic UP button and 4th button down on the left side of the controller while powering it up. Done it at least 15 times, and it's still just a radio, no comm out the port. The only thing non-standard is an HM-133V mic which replaced the original that failed a number of years ago. Any ideas welcome. If Elecraft were to make a 2m/70cm mobile radio with a remote control head and an LCD TV for a display screen, I'd be the first to order. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 26 19:55:59 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 19:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Blown finals In-Reply-To: <1432646357619-7603510.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432589849718-7603503.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432617655563-7603507.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432646357619-7603510.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5565080F.8090204@embarqmail.com> Jack, Forget about the current limited power source, there is another way. Since your new finals are obviously blown, remove them and then power on the K2 and do a TUNE while monitoring the voltage at the solder pads for Q7 or Q8. If the voltage is not in the range of 0.62 to 0.64 volts, replace Q11 and Q13 and then remeasure. If the voltage is still not within that range, look for other problems in the PA transistor bias circuit. Only after the bias voltage is correct, install the new PA transistors. The K2PAKIT contains replacement transistors for Q11 and Q13. I recommend that you use the K2PAKIT for replacement of the PA transistors because the PA transistors are matched - if you obtained the replacements from another source, they may have not been matched. BTW - the "C" markings on the PA transistor solder pads are for the Collector (Cathode has no meaning for transistors, only diodes). 73, Don W3FPR On 5/26/2015 9:19 AM, artus wrote: > Thanks Jack, > > That sounds like a very reasonable starting point. We'll first check to see > it the finals are indeed blown; because my friend had a current limited > supply set at 1 amp, perhaps not. > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue May 26 19:57:10 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:57:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IC-2800 In-Reply-To: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> References: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6C497B7B-D7EF-4B7E-B084-FD8B2F660FFA@wunderwood.org> Have you tried Chirp for managing memories? It is tested with the IC-2820, so it is worth a shot with the I-2800. http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On May 26, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Msg off to ICOM Tech Support. We'll see how this compares to Elecraft support and service. I really need to reorganize the memories on the 2800, the UI through the control head is marginally OK when just adding a new one, it's a non-starter for a reorg. The programming SW won't run on 64-bit Windoze. I finally got a virtual machine running using Virtual Box, installed an old version of XP, and voila! the ICOM software runs. Now I find I can't get the radio into clone mode. Ctrl-Alt-Delete for an IC2800 is mic UP button and 4th button down on the left side of the controller while powering it up. Done it at least 15 times, and it's still just a radio, no comm out the port. > > The only thing non-standard is an HM-133V mic which replaced the original that failed a number of years ago. Any ideas welcome. If Elecraft were to make a 2m/70cm mobile radio with a remote control head and an LCD TV for a display screen, I'd be the first to order. :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 26 20:26:28 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> References: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> Message-ID: <55650F34.90008@embarqmail.com> Tony, You are looking at information about how to compensate two unequal receivers for true diversity reception - two orthogonally opposed antennas receiving the same signal. The K3 makes that easy with a sub-receiver that is identical with the main receiver and they are phase locked together in diversity. When placed in diversity mode (using two antennas hopefully having different polarity or directional characteristics), you will hear enhancement of the reception from whichever antenna is receiving the best signal - you have each receiver in each of your ears, and the human brain will respond to the best signal. No phase adjustment is necessary. OTOH, if you are looking to reduce the noise of your plasma TV and routers, that is another form of reception that could (but not necessarily) be related to diversity. You would want to use a directional antenna aimed at the noise source to feed one receiver while being able to adjust the amplitude and phase of that noise signal to cancel out the noise source. It is possible that you could use the K3 with subRX to do that, the AF and RF gain controls will do the amplitude part of the process and if you provide an external mechanism for changing the phase of the two antennas, you may be successful. The easiest phase change is simply to flip the noise receive antenna terminals which should achieve a 180 degree phase shift, but the actual phase shift will depend on several other factors such as the length of the antenna feedlines and the physical placement of the antennas (which control the arrival time of the noise signal at the antennas). So, yes, it is possible that with suitable antennas placed properly, the K3 with subRX *could* serve as a noise cancelling system, but it was not designed for that purpose, it was designed to counter propagation effects such as fading due to polarization. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/25/2015 9:00 PM, Tony McRae wrote: > I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. > This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. > > The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. > Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? > I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. > > Thanks for reading this > > Tony VK4CH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue May 26 20:35:08 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> References: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> Message-ID: <5565113C.5080702@embarqmail.com> Larry, Tune each KAT500 band segment into the antenna of choice - referred to as "Training the Tuner" with the tuner in AUTO. After doing that, change the KAT500 to MAN and it will not re-tune - it will restore the settings for that antenna and frequency. I suspect you are operating with the KAT500 in AUTO mode, and that will cause tuning anomalies. OK, the 'labels' AUTO and MAN may not be what we have previously been accustomed to, but do the KAT500 'training' exercise, then switch to MAN and your problem should be resolved. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/26/2015 8:50 AM, Larry Snyder wrote: > Good Morning > > > > I have a KAT500 with a vertical on ANT 1 and a Hex on ANT 3. > > > > I go to 20 meters with Auto flashing an put the radio in AM and the KAT500 > tunes and finds a good SWR - all is fine. Then I play around with other > frequencies and then come back and for some reason the KAT500 appears to not > remember the tuning parameters and then retunes again for the same frequency > on the same antenna. Why is this?? This happens frequently (i.e.: not > remembering the settings and going into retune). > > > > Also, the SWR meter on the K3 is always blank (i.e.: no bars) while on the > K3 and KPA500 I see the SWR at 1.5?? > > > > 73s from Colombia > > Larry HK2LS > > > > -- > > Larry Snyder, RN.ORG > > "Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org for their > Nursing CEUs Daily!" > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue May 26 20:45:12 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:45:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction Message-ID: It would be interesting to see if that feature could be added. -------- Original message -------- From: Don Wilhelm Date: 05/26/2015 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tony McRae , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction Tony, You are looking at information about how to compensate two unequal receivers for true diversity reception - two orthogonally opposed antennas receiving the same signal. The K3 makes that easy with a sub-receiver that is identical with the main receiver and they are phase locked together in diversity. When placed in diversity mode (using two antennas hopefully having different polarity or directional characteristics), you will hear enhancement of the reception from whichever antenna is receiving the best signal - you have each receiver in each of your ears, and the human brain will respond to the best signal.? No phase adjustment is necessary. OTOH, if you are looking to reduce the noise of your plasma TV and routers, that is another form of reception that could (but not necessarily) be related to diversity.? You would want to use a directional antenna aimed at the noise source to feed one receiver while being able to adjust the amplitude and phase of that noise signal to cancel out the noise source. It is possible that you could use the K3 with subRX to do that, the AF and RF gain controls will do the amplitude part of the process and if you provide an external mechanism for changing the phase of the two antennas, you may be successful.? The easiest phase change is simply to flip the noise receive antenna terminals which should achieve a 180 degree phase shift, but the actual phase shift will depend on several other factors such as the length of the antenna feedlines and the physical placement of the antennas (which control the arrival time of the noise signal at the antennas). So, yes, it is possible that with suitable antennas placed properly, the K3 with subRX *could* serve as a noise cancelling system, but it was not designed for that purpose, it was designed to counter propagation effects such as fading due to polarization. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/25/2015 9:00 PM, Tony McRae wrote: > I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. > This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. > > The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. > Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? > I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. > > Thanks for reading this > > Tony VK4CH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ny9h at arrl.net Tue May 26 20:50:06 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 20:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IC-2800 In-Reply-To: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> References: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> Message-ID: > >The only thing non-standard is an HM-133V mic which replaced the >original that failed a number of years ago. Any ideas welcome. i bought an " icom" replacement mic for 9.99 shipped from china on ebay..... even said icom on the mic... worked great, but after two weeks the jacket on the mic started to fall apart... literally falling off the wire.... mic stil works...with a tt pad.... i had thought the order would be worth the cable assembly oops.... had it backwards... bill From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Tue May 26 21:41:04 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IC-2800 In-Reply-To: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> References: <55650670.6030005@foothill.net> Message-ID: <556520B0.1030203@gmail.com> have you tried RT systems... Will software for a IC-2820 work with the 2800 ?? see https://www.rtsystemsinc.com/IC-2820-programming-software-and-USB-cable-s/1869.htm I am using their software on a W7 64 bit machine and they update. steve wb3lgc On 26-May-15 7:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Msg off to ICOM Tech Support. We'll see how this compares to Elecraft > support and service. I really need to reorganize the memories on the > 2800, the UI through the control head is marginally OK when just > adding a new one, it's a non-starter for a reorg. The programming SW > won't run on 64-bit Windoze. I finally got a virtual machine running > using Virtual Box, installed an old version of XP, and voila! the > ICOM software runs. Now I find I can't get the radio into clone mode. > Ctrl-Alt-Delete for an IC2800 is mic UP button and 4th button down on > the left side of the controller while powering it up. Done it at > least 15 times, and it's still just a radio, no comm out the port. > > The only thing non-standard is an HM-133V mic which replaced the > original that failed a number of years ago. Any ideas welcome. If > Elecraft were to make a 2m/70cm mobile radio with a remote control > head and an LCD TV for a display screen, I'd be the first to order. :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com > > From dmb at lightstream.net Tue May 26 23:29:54 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 23:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> References: <33C47B8C73FB974E9728975B7B9BB9590279C70BC9@SABRINA.ttecs.local> Message-ID: <53221.71.74.118.201.1432697394.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Tony, I strongly recommend the DX Engineering NCC-1 for noise cancellation: < http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-ncc-1 > It is very effective at nulling out offending noise sources -- BUT, it will do so for only one source at a time. You may find that nulling out one of your sources will frequently be enough, depending upon the direction of your yagi at the time. I've had one for about three years, and wouldn't want to be without it. 73, Dale WA8SRA > > I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase > and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise > can be reduced by more than 20db. > This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV > on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When > pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. > > The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. > Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? > I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the > phase of the secondary or primary signals. > > Thanks for reading this > > Tony VK4CH From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Wed May 27 00:01:30 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:01:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> I have on three different occasions requested of Elecraft that such a feature be added to the K3. Two of those requests never received a response, while the third got a "we'll see if anyone in engineering is interested" reply (apparently nobody was). Personally, I think this is a significantly missed opportunity to expand the usefulness of diversity reception in the K3, especially now that the new synths retain phase lock when changing frequency. If even only one receiver in the K3 had the ability to time shift the audio signal, it would work. The K3 already has separate volume controls and already has the ability to mix the two channels. With two antennas separated horizontally (i.e., two verticals a suitable distance apart), the phase could be adjusted to boost a desired signal by roughly 3db or null an undesired signal (noise or QRM) by 20 to 30 db or more (depending upon how stable the signals were). Directional antennas are not needed at all. I also think it would be interesting, and maybe useful, to use two antennas separated vertically, such as a couple of dipoles or yagis on a tower. Adjusting the phase could potentially drop a severe notch on an interfering signal IN THE SAME DIRECTION as a desired signal. Phase is preserved in the down conversion to audio so all this could be accomplished at the audio level. I'm not saying that's the best place to do it, but worst case I'm going to learn enough software code to do it myself using the sound card of my computer since nobody else seems interested. 73, Dave AB7E On 5/26/2015 5:45 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > It would be interesting to see if that feature could be added. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Don Wilhelm > Date: 05/26/2015 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Tony McRae , elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction > > Tony, > > You are looking at information about how to compensate two unequal > receivers for true diversity reception - two orthogonally opposed > antennas receiving the same signal. > The K3 makes that easy with a sub-receiver that is identical with the > main receiver and they are phase locked together in diversity. When > placed in diversity mode (using two antennas hopefully having different > polarity or directional characteristics), you will hear enhancement of > the reception from whichever antenna is receiving the best signal - you > have each receiver in each of your ears, and the human brain will > respond to the best signal. No phase adjustment is necessary. > > OTOH, if you are looking to reduce the noise of your plasma TV and > routers, that is another form of reception that could (but not > necessarily) be related to diversity. You would want to use a > directional antenna aimed at the noise source to feed one receiver while > being able to adjust the amplitude and phase of that noise signal to > cancel out the noise source. > It is possible that you could use the K3 with subRX to do that, the AF > and RF gain controls will do the amplitude part of the process and if > you provide an external mechanism for changing the phase of the two > antennas, you may be successful. The easiest phase change is simply to > flip the noise receive antenna terminals which should achieve a 180 > degree phase shift, but the actual phase shift will depend on several > other factors such as the length of the antenna feedlines and the > physical placement of the antennas (which control the arrival time of > the noise signal at the antennas). > > So, yes, it is possible that with suitable antennas placed properly, the > K3 with subRX *could* serve as a noise cancelling system, but it was not > designed for that purpose, it was designed to counter propagation > effects such as fading due to polarization. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/25/2015 9:00 PM, Tony McRae wrote: >> I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. >> This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. >> >> The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. >> Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? >> I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. >> >> Thanks for reading this >> >> Tony VK4CH >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed May 27 00:18:45 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:18:45 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> References: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: That's a good idea, Dave. The best place to do it would probably be inside the DSP on the K3 itself, but failing that, you could do it in your PC, and the advantage is you could give a better visual indication of what is going on that what could be achieved on the K3's LCD display. 73, Matt VK2RQ On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > I have on three different occasions requested of Elecraft that such a > feature be added to the K3. Two of those requests never received a > response, while the third got a "we'll see if anyone in engineering is > interested" reply (apparently nobody was). > > Personally, I think this is a significantly missed opportunity to expand the > usefulness of diversity reception in the K3, especially now that the new > synths retain phase lock when changing frequency. If even only one receiver > in the K3 had the ability to time shift the audio signal, it would work. > The K3 already has separate volume controls and already has the ability to > mix the two channels. With two antennas separated horizontally (i.e., two > verticals a suitable distance apart), the phase could be adjusted to boost a > desired signal by roughly 3db or null an undesired signal (noise or QRM) by > 20 to 30 db or more (depending upon how stable the signals were). > Directional antennas are not needed at all. > > I also think it would be interesting, and maybe useful, to use two antennas > separated vertically, such as a couple of dipoles or yagis on a tower. > Adjusting the phase could potentially drop a severe notch on an interfering > signal IN THE SAME DIRECTION as a desired signal. > > Phase is preserved in the down conversion to audio so all this could be > accomplished at the audio level. I'm not saying that's the best place to do > it, but worst case I'm going to learn enough software code to do it myself > using the sound card of my computer since nobody else seems interested. > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > > On 5/26/2015 5:45 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> >> It would be interesting to see if that feature could be added. >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Don Wilhelm >> Date: 05/26/2015 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: Tony McRae , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction >> >> Tony, >> >> You are looking at information about how to compensate two unequal >> receivers for true diversity reception - two orthogonally opposed >> antennas receiving the same signal. >> The K3 makes that easy with a sub-receiver that is identical with the >> main receiver and they are phase locked together in diversity. When >> placed in diversity mode (using two antennas hopefully having different >> polarity or directional characteristics), you will hear enhancement of >> the reception from whichever antenna is receiving the best signal - you >> have each receiver in each of your ears, and the human brain will >> respond to the best signal. No phase adjustment is necessary. >> >> OTOH, if you are looking to reduce the noise of your plasma TV and >> routers, that is another form of reception that could (but not >> necessarily) be related to diversity. You would want to use a >> directional antenna aimed at the noise source to feed one receiver while >> being able to adjust the amplitude and phase of that noise signal to >> cancel out the noise source. >> It is possible that you could use the K3 with subRX to do that, the AF >> and RF gain controls will do the amplitude part of the process and if >> you provide an external mechanism for changing the phase of the two >> antennas, you may be successful. The easiest phase change is simply to >> flip the noise receive antenna terminals which should achieve a 180 >> degree phase shift, but the actual phase shift will depend on several >> other factors such as the length of the antenna feedlines and the >> physical placement of the antennas (which control the arrival time of >> the noise signal at the antennas). >> >> So, yes, it is possible that with suitable antennas placed properly, the >> K3 with subRX *could* serve as a noise cancelling system, but it was not >> designed for that purpose, it was designed to counter propagation >> effects such as fading due to polarization. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 5/25/2015 9:00 PM, Tony McRae wrote: >>> >>> I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the >>> phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local >>> noise can be reduced by more than 20db. >>> This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV >>> on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When >>> pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. >>> >>> The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. >>> Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual >>> receivers? >>> I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter >>> the phase of the secondary or primary signals. >>> >>> Thanks for reading this >>> >>> Tony VK4CH >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 27 06:04:50 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (John K3TN via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 03:04:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432721090798-7603553.post@n2.nabble.com> I've been using the Remote Rig interfaces with my K3 for several years and the K3/Mini for the past 6 months or so. I'm a big fan of the Remote Rig devices, not a fan of the K3/Mini. I started out doing remote operating with the K4VV group using an all software approach and the Remote Rig devices are an enormous improvement - reduction in latency, better audio quality, the ability to essentially just have a very long mic/key/headset cords vs. doing remote PC control. You still need a decent Internet connection. The Remote Rig interfaces will **not** correct for packet loss or high jitter (variable latency) Internet connections. If your round trip delay is much over 150ms, or varies widely from ping to ping, or if you lose packets, CW in particular will not be usable. The Remote Rigs also have a gazillion parameters and the manuals don't quite get you there - almost everyone has to resort to the "million monkeys randomly hitting keys" approach to get everything going. The forums on the Remote Rig site are very helpful and W1UE in particular has posted a lot of good K3 guidance. The K3/Mini has been a big disappointment, especially at the price - I should have just gotten a bare bones K3. The major problem has been the audio on both TX and RX when connecting the headset to the Mini (vs. connecting to the RemoteRig). On TX, I get loud hum and on RX, the audio is 20db down compared to the audio coming out of the RemoteRig. I sent the Mini back, Elecraft sent it back saying it worked fine. (They didn't even contact me, which I objected to and they are fixing that problem in their process.) On RX, apparently that audio loss is due to a filter that was put in to deal with digital noise getting in the audio, but running the AF gain at 90% on the Mini is not acceptable to me - distortion up and no head room for low signals or turning off AGC, etc. So, I have to connect the headset to the RemoteRig, then audio is fine - but the cabling is less convenient and messy. Part of the reason I justified spending the $700 was to be able to essentially use the Mini just like I would a "real" K3, but I can't do that. I may bring along the Mini and Remote Rig set up on travel some day if I keep the Mini - that portability is about the only reason to keep it. Others have had the same audio issues, others just naturally connect their headset to the RemoteRig, others have had no problems with the Mini - your mileage may vary. 73 John K3TN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508p7603553.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From py5eg at iesa.com.br Wed May 27 06:47:13 2015 From: py5eg at iesa.com.br (py5eg) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 07:47:13 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] RES: K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E1748497DCDA342A28EFCAB1C82CE5801BCB8C8@SVNT6-4.inepar.com.br> Hi Folks I'm using the K3/0 mini with a K3 on the base and remoterig. This setup added with a ACOM 2000 plus DB-42 in on the air for 2 years now and it is working extremelly well I?m very active in the CQ DX Marathon and without the remote station I would have no condition to be competitive. Regards Oms -----Mensagem original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Em nome de Randy Enviada em: ter?a-feira, 26 de maio de 2015 18:06 Para: jlbates4 at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Assunto: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? I am fairly new to Elecraft and the K3 but I do have the K3/0 mini and the Remoterig twins for K3. I ordered and installed the WiFi board for the Remoterig. All works excellent. As long as the WiFi connection is OK, the K3/0 mini connects to the remote site and operates as if you are there. Many QSO's using the remote equipment and the other party cannot tell the difference. I am just using the standard MH2 mike. I do like the WiFi option as if allows me to establish stored WiFi connects that are remembered when I return so I simply set up the K3/0 mini and remote rig, turn it on and with a minute or so, it is ready to operate. Latency is small and not really noticeable so no issues there. You can use the K3/0 mini within your network but you may need a different destination IP than if you are outside the network. I have operated both ways. I have not played with the codecs yet. My audio reports are good. I do have a PC at the remote site and I connect to it with Team Viewer which allows me to operate and monitor the KAT500 and KPA500 via my laptop. I use the Elecraft beta control software for this. Home QTH is Calgary, Alberta. My K3 is British Columbia (VE7). I have operated from Phoenix, Fort Lauderdale and Calgary on a fairly regular basis. And, at the K3 site, take the K3/0 mini onto the deck outside and operate there when the weather is nice. Just a few comments. Randy VE6RMB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the Remoterig products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. Comments encouraged!!! 73 de K8OI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to py5eg at iesa.com.br From dave at nk7z.net Wed May 27 08:30:14 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 05:30:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> References: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <1432729814.4129.15.camel@nostromo.nk7z> No kidding, I was thinking of suggesting this as well... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 21:01 -0700, David Gilbert wrote: > I have on three different occasions requested of Elecraft that such a > feature be added to the K3. Two of those requests never received a > response, while the third got a "we'll see if anyone in engineering is > interested" reply (apparently nobody was). > > Personally, I think this is a significantly missed opportunity to expand > the usefulness of diversity reception in the K3, especially now that the > new synths retain phase lock when changing frequency. If even only one > receiver in the K3 had the ability to time shift the audio signal, it > would work. The K3 already has separate volume controls and already has > the ability to mix the two channels. With two antennas separated > horizontally (i.e., two verticals a suitable distance apart), the phase > could be adjusted to boost a desired signal by roughly 3db or null an > undesired signal (noise or QRM) by 20 to 30 db or more (depending upon > how stable the signals were). Directional antennas are not needed at all. > > I also think it would be interesting, and maybe useful, to use two > antennas separated vertically, such as a couple of dipoles or yagis on a > tower. Adjusting the phase could potentially drop a severe notch on an > interfering signal IN THE SAME DIRECTION as a desired signal. > > Phase is preserved in the down conversion to audio so all this could be > accomplished at the audio level. I'm not saying that's the best place > to do it, but worst case I'm going to learn enough software code to do > it myself using the sound card of my computer since nobody else seems > interested. > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > On 5/26/2015 5:45 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > It would be interesting to see if that feature could be added. > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Don Wilhelm > > Date: 05/26/2015 8:26 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Tony McRae , elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction > > > > Tony, > > > > You are looking at information about how to compensate two unequal > > receivers for true diversity reception - two orthogonally opposed > > antennas receiving the same signal. > > The K3 makes that easy with a sub-receiver that is identical with the > > main receiver and they are phase locked together in diversity. When > > placed in diversity mode (using two antennas hopefully having different > > polarity or directional characteristics), you will hear enhancement of > > the reception from whichever antenna is receiving the best signal - you > > have each receiver in each of your ears, and the human brain will > > respond to the best signal. No phase adjustment is necessary. > > > > OTOH, if you are looking to reduce the noise of your plasma TV and > > routers, that is another form of reception that could (but not > > necessarily) be related to diversity. You would want to use a > > directional antenna aimed at the noise source to feed one receiver while > > being able to adjust the amplitude and phase of that noise signal to > > cancel out the noise source. > > It is possible that you could use the K3 with subRX to do that, the AF > > and RF gain controls will do the amplitude part of the process and if > > you provide an external mechanism for changing the phase of the two > > antennas, you may be successful. The easiest phase change is simply to > > flip the noise receive antenna terminals which should achieve a 180 > > degree phase shift, but the actual phase shift will depend on several > > other factors such as the length of the antenna feedlines and the > > physical placement of the antennas (which control the arrival time of > > the noise signal at the antennas). > > > > So, yes, it is possible that with suitable antennas placed properly, the > > K3 with subRX *could* serve as a noise cancelling system, but it was not > > designed for that purpose, it was designed to counter propagation > > effects such as fading due to polarization. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 5/25/2015 9:00 PM, Tony McRae wrote: > >> I have been watching some youtube clips showing how by adjusting the phase and amplitude of two received signals on a diversity receiver local noise can be reduced by more than 20db. > >> This would be particularly useful to me as I have the dirtiest plasma TV on one side of me and a gaggle of cheap ADSL routers on the other. When pointed at them with my yagi the noise floor on 20-15m is over S7. > >> > >> The equipment used in the clip was the ANAN 100D SDR. > >> Is anyone aware if this technique is possible using the K3 dual receivers? > >> I have not found any place in the manual where it is possible to alter the phase of the secondary or primary signals. > >> > >> Thanks for reading this > >> > >> Tony VK4CH > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA Wed May 27 08:48:38 2015 From: Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA (Ellam, Timothy St. J.) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 12:48:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? Message-ID: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B368841A1@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal> I have used the RemoteRig with a K3/0 (not the mini) to a K3/KPA500 combination and a SteppIR vertical. It works fine, but the RX audio is certainly not a strong as directly through the RemoteRig. As others have noted this not quite plug and play and some tweaking of the parameters is required. There is a lot of good information on the RemoteRig forum and DJ0QN has some excellent network guides for those who have a limited understanding of this area (like me). Internet connectivity is key. You need solid connections at both ends otherwise latency is an issue. All in all though the system is seamless and is a game changer for remote operation. Tim VE6SH ---------------------------- This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure. 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Suite 5300, TD Bank Tower, Box 48, 66 Wellington Street West, Toronto, ON M5K 1E6 From patrick_cosgrove at hotmail.com Wed May 27 09:26:23 2015 From: patrick_cosgrove at hotmail.com (Patrick Cosgrove) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 09:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Kit Review In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, Nice review. Sounds like you have a configuration very similar to my own. I recently put together a case system for transporting my KX3/PX3/KXPA100 setup on car trips for remote operations. I have a bit more to take with me as I do mostly digital modes. For what it's worth, you can see what I put together on my QRZ page: http://www.qrz.com/db/W2COS This arrangement has worked well for me, of course YMMV. I know looking at what others had done helped me a lot as I was putting this together...... 73, Patrick W2COS ------------- On 5/27/15 8:30 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > This is mainly for those who are contemplating getting the KXPA100 to > go along with a KX3 (with or without the PX3). > > Picked my KXPA100 kit up at the UPS customer center this morning about > 9:15. Got it home about 10:00, unpacked and inventoried by 10:30 and > completely assembled by 11:15. So far this is the simplest kit I've > ever built and really worth doing to save money. The only tools it > took were a #1 Phillips screwdriver and a pair of needle nose pliers. > > What took the longest was figuring out how to hook it up to the > KX3/PX3 combination. Nothing in the KXPA100 assembly or Operating > manuals that I found. Had to go to the PX3 manual to find the > information. It might be a good idea for the manual writer/editor to > include at least a reference to the PX3 manual for this > configuration. If you don't have a PX3, instructions for hooking > everything together in the KXPA100 book is pretty clear. I heartily > recommend the optional cable kit and it really simplifies things and > you don't have to spend a lot of time making something up to making it > play nice. > > Once I had everything connected and the KXPA power output display > calibration done, I hooked it to my Alpha Delta DX-LB 160/80/40 meter > dipole to check the tuner's capability. It found a match on all bands > 160-6 meters and no worse than a 1.2:1 SWR so it's certainly as good > as the tuner in the K3. > > I have one of those MFJ 4230MV compact 30 amp switching power supplies > and got everything cabled so it powers the KX3, a stereo audio speaker > bar, PX3, KXAT100 and when needed a small clip-on LED logging light. > By the way, this supply is very quiet RF wise and I can't find any > noise from it on any ham band powering either the KX3 or K3 from it (I > have the 45 amp MFJ 4245MV supply on the K3/P3 main operating desk and > it's quiet too). > > I'm not currently planning on operating it mobile, but we're going to > be visiting relatives in Texas, Louisiana and Florida next month so > will have a collapsible vertical and the KX3 setup with me. It will > be nice to have the 100 watt amp along to help overcome poor band > conditions when the KX3's normal output isn't quite enough to maintain > a QSO. > > I really like the way the firmware is set up in the KX3 and KXPA100 so > that operation is as close to seamless as it can be. The auto bypass > of the internal KX3 tuner when the amp is on is really nice and the > auto-on of the amp when the KX3 is turned on is SUPER nice! > > The next project will be setting up as compact a carrying case as > possible to safely transport the KX3, PX3, KXPA100 and all the > accessories. > > Jim - W0EB -- *Patrick A. Cosgrove* Email: patrick_cosgrove at hotmail.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/patrickacosgrove/ From fcady at ece.montana.edu Wed May 27 09:56:17 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 07:56:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> References: <05a201d097b2$8ecc7040$ac6550c0$@rn.org> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045ECDF551@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Hi Larry, I have a description of the tuning procedures that the KAT500 goes through at http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners that you might find useful. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com The following are available at KE7X.com: KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Snyder Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 5:51 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Good Morning I have a KAT500 with a vertical on ANT 1 and a Hex on ANT 3. I go to 20 meters with Auto flashing an put the radio in AM and the KAT500 tunes and finds a good SWR - all is fine. Then I play around with other frequencies and then come back and for some reason the KAT500 appears to not remember the tuning parameters and then retunes again for the same frequency on the same antenna. Why is this?? This happens frequently (i.e.: not remembering the settings and going into retune). Also, the SWR meter on the K3 is always blank (i.e.: no bars) while on the K3 and KPA500 I see the SWR at 1.5?? 73s from Colombia Larry HK2LS -- Larry Snyder, RN.ORG "Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org for their Nursing CEUs Daily!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From cyaffey at gmail.com Wed May 27 10:02:53 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 for sale Message-ID: <4D420899-76DA-4ED8-B59C-414B3890286F@gmail.com> I?m reposting this in case you missed it. I have a KAT2 for sale from the SK estate. $113. Picture upon request. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From k8cxm at hotmail.com Wed May 27 10:46:49 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 for sale Message-ID: I recently upgraded my portable radio from an Elecraft KX1 to a wonderful KX3. I no longer need the KX1. The serial number is 2500 and it is complete with the Elecraft mini paddle, ATU, battery tray and the 30/80 adapter. I did not do the build, but I think Don, W3FPR did. In any case, he did a checkup on it last year and pronounced it fit for duty. I will ship it (Conus) and absorb the Paypal charges for $400. Pictures available on request. Email me off the reflector if interested. k8cxm at hotmail . com Jim Leder ... K8CXM From gerry at w1ve.com Wed May 27 11:47:03 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 11:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ?I've been using the K3/0 mini for about a year for casual DXing and for many contests. The K3/0 mini is perfect -- a mirror of your K3.? Once you get used to the the fact that you are setting menus on the Remote radio, all will be good. The mix that is important is how you use the K3/0 to interconnect it to the remote shack. As stated here, many users are using the MicroBit RemoteRig product. This adds about $750+/- to your remote cost, but provides a far superior result than any other method. The killers in remote operation are latency and jitter (jitter being the varying difference in latency over time.) The Microbit boxes use dedicated hardware, and a very flexible software configuration. to allow you to tailor the box to your needs. The RemoteRig components are not designed specifically for the K3; therefore, they have a generic interface design, and Elecraft sells the specific interconnect cable for the K3/0. The majority of my contesting experience has been on CW in the Majors: CQWW and ARRL DX, running remote to K2LE/1 from my QTH in NH. The shack has 1.5Mb/.5Mb DSL service. The average latency on the connection varies from 120-150mS, with very manageable jitter. We run the RemoteRig boxes with 8kHz bandwidth, and this works very well. I don't feel handicapped by being remote at all... In many QSOs, I get unsolicited comments of great audio on SSB, and no issues with CW. It is just like being there. The Microbit boxes do have a lot of configuration parameters. You also have to know how to port forward from your router in the shack (unless you are using the box in your own home, and both ends are on the same LAN). If you are not familiar with networking, configuring the boxes can be a challenge. As the others have stated, the forum on the RemoteRig site is a good resource --> search it with Google first, as much of your frustration has already been experienced by others. Their is another solution with the K3/0 which is essentially 15-minute plug and play. It is a free solution, once you own the K3/0. This is the software and website of Brandon, KG6YPI -- an Elecraft employee and the guy you usually talk to if you are experiencing problems with the Microbit gear and K3/0. Your K3/0 has a USB connector on it. This connector can be plugged into a PC, and two codecs (send/receive) and two RS-232 connections (Rig Control and passthrough) are automatically installed. Brandon's site is www.remotehams.com. Their is PC software for the remote end as well as the server end. You can use Brandon's software without the K3/0 -- but it has some very cool features: - If you have a K3/0 and a K3 at the station, you get full control of the radio with all features. - If you want to connect to a remote on RemoteHams, where the remote is NOT a K3, you can still use the K3/0 for frequency control and other features. I use RemoteHams to control Dom, 3Z9DX's station, and run SSB from Poland. It works very well, though the overall latency is much higher. CW still has some work to be done. But I know Brandon is getting there. I've asked Dom if I could try his station in some contest on CW -- it will be interesting to see how that works out. I use both RemoteHams and the Microbit RemoteRig solution with the K3/0, and am very happy with both; I will continue to use RemoteRig in serious contest situations. 73, Gerry W1VE Hancock, NH Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373 AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:39 AM, jlbates4 wrote: > I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's > siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig > products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. > > I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency > commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. > > Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? > > My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do > some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. > > Comments encouraged!!! > > > 73 de K8OI > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 27 13:26:34 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 18:26:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments Message-ID: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> I bought a KX3 and PX3 with a view towards using them with an external high performance transverter for 144MHz (with an IF of 14MHz). My main interest being weak signal operation on VHF. The ability to use the I/Q outputs with a sound card or PX3 and the excellent receiver performance in reviews seemed to indicate this would meet my needs. Unfortunately it looks like this is not going to work out for me, as the level of radiated noise at VHF from both the PX3 severely masks weak signals, there is also a huge radiated birdie from the KX3 near 144.4MHz. Turning on the PX3 and listening on 144MHz gives bands of noise every few kHz which mask weak signals in the noise and I can liken it to listening to the 6m band with a Band 1 TV transmitter putting out video sidebands over the band. Without the PX3 switched on I can hear distant beacons in the noise, but they are buried by the PX3 when it is switched on and plugged in to the KX3. The antenna is 60 feet away from the rigs and is fed by Heliax. Have tried separate supplies for transverter and PX3, running from batteries on KX3, nothing seems to reduce the QRM from the PX3 to an acceptable level. There also is a huge S9 spurious near 144.4 from the KX3 that is independent of band/freq/mode. Confirmed by listening on another receiver in the shack. It is so hugely disappointing, I had looked forward to this day, having finally got my rotator and antenna back up on the tower I am faced with looking for another rig to drive the 2m transverter. Unfortunately I don't think it will be Elecraft. Perhaps Elad might be an alternative, but I need to consult the weak signal VHF community first. I will keep the KX3 and PX3 for QRP HF work most likely as selling it at a loss would be a bitter alternative. On HF where the band noise and signal strengths are much higher I don't find the same problems, though there are still spurious signals shown on the PX3 there. I could live with them I think, but on what is a nice quiet 144MHz band here, the racket from the PX3 is impossible to put up with. Incidentally I wonder what causes that big birdie near 144.4 from the KX3, and if is it related to the similar one reported on the K3? There doesn't seem to be a lot of commonality between the designs. Sorry if this sounds like I am trolling, I am not, I love the Elecraft ethos and products, it is just they don't appear to work for my specific needs. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to try before you buy here and I ended up being the guinea pig. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed May 27 13:45:40 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:45:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432721090798-7603553.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432721090798-7603553.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <556602C4.6000506@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/27/2015 3:04 AM, John K3TN via Elecraft wrote: > Others have had the same audio issues, others just naturally connect their > headset to the RemoteRig, others have had no problems with the Mini - your > mileage may vary. Hi John, I know nothing about these products other than a vague one paragraph functional description, but I do suspect an issue with the audio interface and/or how the units are powered and bonded. Take a look at the pdf of my slides for a talk I did on this topic at Pacificon last fall. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From gerry at w1ve.com Wed May 27 14:02:33 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:02:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <556602C4.6000506@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432721090798-7603553.post@n2.nabble.com> <556602C4.6000506@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Good perception, Jim... experience pays off. We had this same problem with Andy, K2LE. We have two remoterig remote ends connected to the same common remote station. My audio has been flawless. Andy kept having poor audio -- muffled, microphonic sounds but no clear audio. It turned out to be the power supply, which was an underpowered switching supply. The RemoteRig box does not come with a supply. I power mine off of a 4A switcher, and it's fine. A 1A supply should work, but they seem to have issues. 73, Gerry W1VE On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,5/27/2015 3:04 AM, John K3TN via Elecraft wrote: > >> Others have had the same audio issues, others just naturally connect their >> headset to the RemoteRig, others have had no problems with the Mini - your >> mileage may vary. >> > > Hi John, > > I know nothing about these products other than a vague one paragraph > functional description, but I do suspect an issue with the audio interface > and/or how the units are powered and bonded. Take a look at the pdf of my > slides for a talk I did on this topic at Pacificon last fall. > http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 27 15:46:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Atchison via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders Message-ID: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders placed at Dayton? Dan -- N3ND From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed May 27 15:55:13 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 22:55:13 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments In-Reply-To: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> References: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <55662121.5090903@gmail.com> I don't have either a KX3 or PX3, and my 2m work is limited to FM, but the problems that you describe could be due to various fixable problems. For example, some P3s had spur problems due to bad electrical contact between parts of the enclosure, as well as improperly attached BNC connectors on the cable between the P3 and K3. I suggest that before you make any expensive decisions that you contact support at elecraft.com. I'm sure they will take your issues seriously. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ Vic On 27 May 2015 20:26, David Anderson wrote: > I bought a KX3 and PX3 with a view towards using them with an > external high performance transverter for 144MHz (with an IF of > 14MHz). My main interest being weak signal operation on VHF. The > ability to use the I/Q outputs with a sound card or PX3 and the > excellent receiver performance in reviews seemed to indicate this > would meet my needs. > > Unfortunately it looks like this is not going to work out for me, as > the level of radiated noise at VHF from both the PX3 severely masks > weak signals, there is also a huge radiated birdie from the KX3 near > 144.4MHz. > > Turning on the PX3 and listening on 144MHz gives bands of noise > every few kHz which mask weak signals in the noise and I can liken it > to listening to the 6m band with a Band 1 TV transmitter putting out > video sidebands over the band. > > Without the PX3 switched on I can hear distant beacons in the noise, > but they are buried by the PX3 when it is switched on and plugged in > to the KX3. The antenna is 60 feet away from the rigs and is fed by > Heliax. Have tried separate supplies for transverter and PX3, running > from batteries on KX3, nothing seems to reduce the QRM from the PX3 > to an acceptable level. > > There also is a huge S9 spurious near 144.4 from the KX3 that is > independent of band/freq/mode. Confirmed by listening on another > receiver in the shack. > > It is so hugely disappointing, I had looked forward to this day, > having finally got my rotator and antenna back up on the tower I am > faced with looking for another rig to drive the 2m transverter. > Unfortunately I don't think it will be Elecraft. Perhaps Elad might > be an alternative, but I need to consult the weak signal VHF > community first. I will keep the KX3 and PX3 for QRP HF work most > likely as selling it at a loss would be a bitter alternative. > > On HF where the band noise and signal strengths are much higher I > don't find the same problems, though there are still spurious signals > shown on the PX3 there. I could live with them I think, but on what > is a nice quiet 144MHz band here, the racket from the PX3 is > impossible to put up with. > > Incidentally I wonder what causes that big birdie near 144.4 from the > KX3, and if is it related to the similar one reported on the K3? > There doesn't seem to be a lot of commonality between the designs. > > Sorry if this sounds like I am trolling, I am not, I love the > Elecraft ethos and products, it is just they don't appear to work for > my specific needs. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to try before you > buy here and I ended up being the guinea pig. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ From k3ndm at comcast.net Wed May 27 16:51:40 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 20:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders In-Reply-To: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> References: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> Message-ID: <1608574949.24943745.1432759900602.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Dan, I bought an XG-3 at Dayton. I had my confirmation by Tuesday afterward. Eric took my order and Lisa did some follow up paperwork for me. 73, Barry K3NDM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Atchison via Elecraft" To: "elecraft" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:46:38 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders placed at Dayton? Dan -- N3ND ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From n1al at sonic.net Wed May 27 18:16:48 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:16:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, diversity and noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: <5565419A.8070204@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <55664250.6030201@sonic.net> The suggestion is to use the two identical receivers in the K3 to null noise and interference. The idea is to connect each receiver to a different antenna so the signals arrive with different phases. The phase difference will generally be different for the desired signal and the interference or noise, so by combining the two signals with the proper amplitude and phase you can null out the undesired signal. There are units you can buy today that do that by combining the RF signals from the two antennas before they are sent to the receiver. The question is whether you can do it at audio frequencies rather than at RF. Theoretically you can, since the demodulated SSB signal is just a frequency translation of the RF. If that works, it would be simply a question of new firmware in the K3, since the audio from the two identical receivers is already available to the DSP. The issue is that the amplitude and phase responses of the crystal filters in the two receivers are not identical. To get a good null, the difference in the phase shift through the two filters would have to track within much less than 360 degrees across the passband. In other words, the variation of the difference in group delay would have to be much less than 1/8 usec with an 8.215 MHz IF. A 2.5 kHz bandwidth filter probably has on the order of a msec group delay. I doubt the two filters typically track each other to better than a few usec across the passband, if that. You probably could get a good null at a single CW frequency, but I don't see how you could hope to get the null to hold across the passband. Alan N1AL From ik7565 at verizon.net Wed May 27 18:30:58 2015 From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 18:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders In-Reply-To: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> References: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> Message-ID: <007f01d098cc$ce42a990$6ac7fcb0$@verizon.net> Got mine today. 73, Ian N8IK -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Atchison via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 15:47 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders placed at Dayton? Dan -- N3ND ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ik7565 at verizon.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5941 / Virus Database: 4354/9882 - Release Date: 05/27/15 From eric at elecraft.com Wed May 27 20:03:24 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 17:03:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders In-Reply-To: <007f01d098cc$ce42a990$6ac7fcb0$@verizon.net> References: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> <007f01d098cc$ce42a990$6ac7fcb0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <55665B4C.8040900@elecraft.com> Lisa and her team just caught up with entering everything from Dayton today. Whew! Contact her at sales at elecraft.com if you placed an order at Dayton and have not yet received an email order confirmation. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 5/27/2015 3:30 PM, Ian wrote: > Got mine today. > 73, Ian N8IK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan > Atchison via Elecraft > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 15:47 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders > > Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders placed at > Dayton? > > Dan -- N3ND > > From eric at elecraft.com Wed May 27 20:07:30 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 17:07:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders In-Reply-To: <55665B4C.8040900@elecraft.com> References: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> <007f01d098cc$ce42a990$6ac7fcb0$@verizon.net> <55665B4C.8040900@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <55665C42.3030709@elecraft.com> Lisa just corrected me - They have everything entered and confirmed except the P3TXMON orders. Those are going in next and will take at least through this weekend or early next week. We had a ton of those too. Eric elecraft.com On 5/27/2015 5:03 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Lisa and her team just caught up with entering everything from Dayton today. Whew! > > Contact her at sales at elecraft.com if you placed an order at Dayton and have > not yet received an email order confirmation. > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 5/27/2015 3:30 PM, Ian wrote: >> Got mine today. >> 73, Ian N8IK >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan >> Atchison via Elecraft >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 15:47 >> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders >> >> Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders placed at >> Dayton? >> >> Dan -- N3ND >> >> > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed May 27 20:51:09 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 17:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments In-Reply-To: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> References: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5566667D.7090603@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,5/27/2015 10:26 AM, David Anderson wrote: > Unfortunately it looks like this is not going to work out for me, as the level of radiated noise at VHF from both the PX3 severely masks weak signals, there is also a huge radiated birdie from the KX3 near 144.4MHz. Questions and observations. Questions first. Did you build these units or were they factory assembled? If you built them, dig you carefully scrape all the tape from the interior parts of the chassis where they screw together? Not doing so could be part of the problem. To fix this, you'll have to take it apart and scrape them. Observation. The KX3 has Pin One Problems at most of the connectors mounted on the left side -- note that only the Mic and Phones jacks are screwed to the chassis. My PX3 is out on loan, and I don't remember whether our not it has the same problem. Any cable connected to a Pin One Problem becomes an antenna to RX and TX any trash. Common mode chokes are the band-aid for Pin One Problems. For 2M, the weapon of choice is one or more Fair-Rite #43 clamp-ons added to the offending cables. Also, the KX3 chassis should be bonded (short, fat copper) to the PX3 chassis. No guarantee that these measures will fix your issue, but I would try them before giving up. Also, contact Elecraft support and get them engaged. They talk do lots of people, and chances are they've seen this before and may know of a fix. See my website for the tutorials about "The Pin One Problem." 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed May 27 21:32:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken_ke2n via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 18:32:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> yup. I am seeing this on FSK441 and Data A mode. I recently acquired a power meter that shows average and peak power and I am getting getting PEP = 1.8 times average on this data mode. Traced it to the K3 audio response on transmit. I am using the 8 pole SSB filter. It seems the 882 Hz and 1323 Hz tones are down from the other two tones (or the other tones are hot relative to these two, depending on your point of view). When I transmit a single tone (RRR or 73 report for example) the ALC brings things up to full output. When I transmit mixed characters then the ALC sets the output based on the highest tone and the average is down accordingly. It is not the audio card. I looped the audio card output back to the input and the tones are all the same level. ----- 73 Ken -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p7603573.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 28 05:24:01 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 10:24:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments In-Reply-To: <5566667D.7090603@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> <5566667D.7090603@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <38779F8F-7A36-4895-9C0A-72F6BB1F265D@yahoo.co.uk> Thanks Jim, yes my PX3 was a kit, and I did do the tape removal and check good electrical contacts as I was sure there could be problems. I don't like the design of the case, would have much preferred a diecast box instead of silly thumbscrews and legs that either are too loose or too tight. As you say having PCB mounted connectors with no connection to the case is part of the problem with radiated noise from the cables. The KX3 was a factory build, bought in UK from W&S, don't know if they build them in the UK or whether they buy them in already built. Others have confirmed that the PX3 is noisy on VHF despite all the good tips you have mentioned. I am resigned to giving up on the KX3 & PX3 for VHF work, which is a pity as otherwise I like it despite it having such poor audio from the built in loudspeaker. OK on headphones, or with a powered speaker though. Trouble is the small neat portable rig quickly becomes a mess of extra cables, filters, copper straps, torroids, copper tape and aluminium foil. Short of taking the PX3 apart and building it in a proper box along with the KX3 to try and screen things I don't think it is going to work out here. Elecraft have previously commentated that it is switched mode regulators in the PX3 that cause a lot of the noise lines, I had hoped that the gain of the transverter would lift band noise sufficiently to obscure them, but I was unprepared for the PX3 noise actually being quite audible in the receiver, not just visible on the display, which is a showstopper. I will speak to Elecraft about it though. Thanks. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > > Questions and observations. Questions first. Did you build these units or were they factory assembled? If you built them, dig you carefully scrape all the tape from the interior parts of the chassis where they screw together? Not doing so could be part of the problem. To fix this, you'll have to take it apart and scrape them. > > Observation. The KX3 has Pin One Problems at most of the connectors mounted on the left side -- note that only the Mic and Phones jacks are screwed to the chassis. My PX3 is out on loan, and I don't remember whether our not it has the same problem. Any cable connected to a Pin One Problem becomes an antenna to RX and TX any trash. > > Common mode chokes are the band-aid for Pin One Problems. For 2M, the weapon of choice is one or more Fair-Rite #43 clamp-ons added to the offending cables. Also, the KX3 chassis should be bonded (short, fat copper) to the PX3 chassis. > > No guarantee that these measures will fix your issue, but I would try them before giving up. Also, contact Elecraft support and get them engaged. They talk do lots of people, and chances are they've seen this before and may know of a fix. > > See my website for the tutorials about "The Pin One . From stanzepa at sbcglobal.net Thu May 28 07:43:12 2015 From: stanzepa at sbcglobal.net (Stan Horzepa) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 07:43:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Orders In-Reply-To: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> References: <55661F1E.6070201@aol.com> Message-ID: <5566FF50.20104@sbcglobal.net> My Dayton order arrives Wednesday via UPS. Stan, WA1LOU On 5/27/2015 3:46 PM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > Just curious if anyone has yet received a confirmation of orders > placed at Dayton? > > Dan -- N3ND > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stanzepa at sbcglobal.net > From bozidarms at yahoo.de Thu May 28 08:15:29 2015 From: bozidarms at yahoo.de (bozidar) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 05:15:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A Message-ID: <1432815329937-7603576.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, just done some tests with K3 and KSYN3A and result are amazing, (it is not a scientific test in Sherwood stile, but say enough): it is a P3 schreenshot as proof of incredible strong signal handling of K3 with new KSYN3A board: /P3 freq. span is 5 kHz, red band is signal 59+60dB, centered on 7.134 MHz, K3 is on SSB mode, filter BW2.4kHz center weighted (normalized - green band) - on 7.134 MHz, in filter BW is SSB signal clearly and laud herd./ This all, remind me on video from IC7851 vs IC7800 RMDR characteristics, with strong signal and week one ,300 Hz offset( search for Icom IC-7851 vs IC-7800 RMDR Characteristics on YouTube) Comments encouraged!!! 73 de S50BN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-KSYN3A-tp7603576.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k1whs at metrocast.net Thu May 28 09:40:58 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:40:58 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A References: <1432815329937-7603576.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I tried the same thing on the bench with an old K3 with original synth boards (no stiffeners) that I was upgrading. The new synth boards went in just fine and I inserted a test signal at 28.0150 at 0dBm, 1 milliwatt. I then tuned 1 kHz away and watched the noise floor drop to S1, so that I could hear a -130 dBm signal just fine only 1 kHz away at 28.0161. I also had the 400 Hz 8 pole filter engaged, but my eyes bugged out at the performance. If there was any reciprical mixing, the band would have been filled with broadband noise. I used to use the old Kenwood radios back in the 80's (TS-820S and TS-830) They had all sorts of LO noise and croaked badly with about an 80 dB range as I recall. A strong signal would fill up the band for over 100 kHz either side with reciprical mixing noise. I am seeing a radio that is about 50 dB better than that. I replaced the Kenwoods with Ten Tec OMNI Vs and saw a huge improvement, but nothing like what I am seeing with the new K3 synthesizer. Receivers can be so good now that the real problem is transmitted junk from other radios and not front end deficiencies in your radio. Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "bozidar" To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A > Hi, > just done some tests with K3 and KSYN3A and result are amazing, > (it is not a scientific test in Sherwood stile, but say enough): > > it is a P3 schreenshot as proof of incredible strong signal handling of > K3 > with new KSYN3A board: > /P3 freq. span is 5 kHz, > red band is signal 59+60dB, centered on 7.134 MHz, > K3 is on SSB mode, filter BW2.4kHz center weighted (normalized - green > band) > - on 7.134 MHz, > in filter BW is SSB signal clearly and laud herd./ > > This all, remind me on video from IC7851 vs IC7800 RMDR characteristics, > with strong signal and week one ,300 Hz offset( search for Icom IC-7851 vs > IC-7800 RMDR Characteristics on YouTube) > > Comments encouraged!!! > > 73 de S50BN > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-KSYN3A-tp7603576.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net From faustocoletti at alice.it Thu May 28 09:59:51 2015 From: faustocoletti at alice.it (Fausto Coletti) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 15:59:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: <1432815329937-7603576.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4ABC65856337436EA0FCC88C5D5D925D@PCFausto> Hi Dave, Here you can read an example of the problem that you mentioned: http://www.sm5bsz.com/dynrange/dubus313.pdf Unfortunately, there are many poor quality radio on the market. 73, Fausto IK4NMF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Olean" To: "bozidar" ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A >I tried the same thing on the bench with an old K3 with original synth >boards (no stiffeners) that I was upgrading. The new synth boards went in >just fine and I inserted a test signal at 28.0150 at 0dBm, 1 milliwatt. I >then tuned 1 kHz away and watched the noise floor drop to S1, so that I >could hear a -130 dBm signal just fine only 1 kHz away at 28.0161. I also >had the 400 Hz 8 pole filter engaged, but my eyes bugged out at the >performance. If there was any reciprical mixing, the band would have been >filled with broadband noise. I used to use the old Kenwood radios back in >the 80's (TS-820S and TS-830) They had all sorts of LO noise and croaked >badly with about an 80 dB range as I recall. A strong signal would fill up >the band for over 100 kHz either side with reciprical mixing noise. I am >seeing a radio that is about 50 dB better than that. I replaced the >Kenwoods with Ten Tec OMNI Vs and saw a huge improvement, but nothing like >what I am seeing with the new K3 synthesizer. Receivers can be so good now >that the real problem is transmitted junk from other radios and not front >end deficiencies in your radio. > > Dave K1WHS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bozidar" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:15 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A > > >> Hi, >> just done some tests with K3 and KSYN3A and result are amazing, >> (it is not a scientific test in Sherwood stile, but say enough): >> >> it is a P3 schreenshot as proof of incredible strong signal handling of >> K3 >> with new KSYN3A board: >> /P3 freq. span is 5 kHz, >> red band is signal 59+60dB, centered on 7.134 MHz, >> K3 is on SSB mode, filter BW2.4kHz center weighted (normalized - green >> band) >> - on 7.134 MHz, >> in filter BW is SSB signal clearly and laud herd./ >> >> This all, remind me on video from IC7851 vs IC7800 RMDR characteristics, >> with strong signal and week one ,300 Hz offset( search for Icom IC-7851 >> vs >> IC-7800 RMDR Characteristics on YouTube) >> >> Comments encouraged!!! >> >> 73 de S50BN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-KSYN3A-tp7603576.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to faustocoletti at alice.it > > > ----- > Nessun virus nel messaggio. > Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com > Versione: 2015.0.5941 / Database dei virus: 4354/9885 - Data di rilascio: > 28/05/2015 > From ejkkjh at gmail.com Thu May 28 13:08:29 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments In-Reply-To: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> References: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: David, I also do some 2 meter weak signal, been doing it for many years. I also have the KX3, PX3 but I use the KX3 internal 2 meter module. I have other 2 meter SSB rigs but find the KX3 to be very good on 2 meters. Your email made me curious and I did find the signal near 144.4 but I could not find any other signals being picked up from the PX3. I use the cables that come with the PX3 and my PX3 is mounted above the KX3. I also have an external DEMI 222/28 transverter connected to my KX3, again with great results and no signals picked up from the PX3. Using the PX3 on these bands is great, I can cover a large area of the bands and monitor everything I want. Hope it works out for you, good luck, let us know how it works out. 73 Emory WM3M -----Original Message----- From: David Anderson Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:26 PM To: Elecraft Mailer Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments I bought a KX3 and PX3 with a view towards using them with an external high performance transverter for 144MHz (with an IF of 14MHz). My main interest being weak signal operation on VHF. The ability to use the I/Q outputs with a sound card or PX3 and the excellent receiver performance in reviews seemed to indicate this would meet my needs. Unfortunately it looks like this is not going to work out for me, as the level of radiated noise at VHF from both the PX3 severely masks weak signals, there is also a huge radiated birdie from the KX3 near 144.4MHz. Turning on the PX3 and listening on 144MHz gives bands of noise every few kHz which mask weak signals in the noise and I can liken it to listening to the 6m band with a Band 1 TV transmitter putting out video sidebands over the band. Without the PX3 switched on I can hear distant beacons in the noise, but they are buried by the PX3 when it is switched on and plugged in to the KX3. The antenna is 60 feet away from the rigs and is fed by Heliax. Have tried separate supplies for transverter and PX3, running from batteries on KX3, nothing seems to reduce the QRM from the PX3 to an acceptable level. There also is a huge S9 spurious near 144.4 from the KX3 that is independent of band/freq/mode. Confirmed by listening on another receiver in the shack. It is so hugely disappointing, I had looked forward to this day, having finally got my rotator and antenna back up on the tower I am faced with looking for another rig to drive the 2m transverter. Unfortunately I don't think it will be Elecraft. Perhaps Elad might be an alternative, but I need to consult the weak signal VHF community first. I will keep the KX3 and PX3 for QRP HF work most likely as selling it at a loss would be a bitter alternative. On HF where the band noise and signal strengths are much higher I don't find the same problems, though there are still spurious signals shown on the PX3 there. I could live with them I think, but on what is a nice quiet 144MHz band here, the racket from the PX3 is impossible to put up with. Incidentally I wonder what causes that big birdie near 144.4 from the KX3, and if is it related to the similar one reported on the K3? There doesn't seem to be a lot of commonality between the designs. Sorry if this sounds like I am trolling, I am not, I love the Elecraft ethos and products, it is just they don't appear to work for my specific needs. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to try before you buy here and I ended up being the guinea pig. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ejkkjh at gmail.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 28 14:53:32 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:53:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments In-Reply-To: References: <8BEA443F-1DF8-4FDA-AE8C-1F66A390ACDB@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <6669D34E-D83A-40CB-8E92-95EE1CDB2538@yahoo.co.uk> Well, some improvements today after encouraging words from forum members. Much opening and closing PX3 case pressing PCBs, reseating connections and cables, moving power leads and suddenly things are 20 dB better. I can now hear the weak beacons with the PX3 switched on. Now to tidy up and try and get a configuration of equipment so that I can test a little better. That was a close call, I was in the local emporium today and if there had been a certain radio in stock I may well have bought it today! Thank you all again. My confidence is much restored. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 28 May 2015, at 18:08, wrote: > > David, > I also do some 2 meter weak signal, been doing it for many years. I also have the KX3, PX3 but I use the KX3 internal 2 meter module. I have other 2 meter SSB rigs but find the KX3 to be very good on 2 meters. Your email made me curious and I did find the signal near 144.4 but I could not find any other signals being picked up from the PX3. I use the cables that come with the PX3 and my PX3 is mounted above the KX3. I also have an external DEMI 222/28 transverter connected to my KX3, again with great results and no signals picked up from the PX3. Using the PX3 on these bands is great, I can cover a large area of the bands and monitor everything I want. > Hope it works out for you, good luck, let us know how it works out. 73 > Emory WM3M > > -----Original Message----- From: David Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:26 PM > To: Elecraft Mailer > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 with 2m Transverter comments > > I bought a KX3 and PX3 with a view towards using them with an external high performance transverter for 144MHz (with an IF of 14MHz). My main interest being weak signal operation on VHF. The ability to use the I/Q outputs with a sound card or PX3 and the excellent receiver performance in reviews seemed to indicate this would meet my needs. > > Unfortunately it looks like this is not going to work out for me, as the level of radiated noise at VHF from both the PX3 severely masks weak signals, there is also a huge radiated birdie from the KX3 near 144.4MHz. > > Turning on the PX3 and listening on 144MHz gives bands of noise every few kHz which mask weak signals in the noise and I can liken it to listening to the 6m band with a Band 1 TV transmitter putting out video sidebands over the band. > > Without the PX3 switched on I can hear distant beacons in the noise, but they are buried by the PX3 when it is switched on and plugged in to the KX3. The antenna is 60 feet away from the rigs and is fed by Heliax. Have tried separate supplies for transverter and PX3, running from batteries on KX3, nothing seems to reduce the QRM from the PX3 to an acceptable level. > > There also is a huge S9 spurious near 144.4 from the KX3 that is independent of band/freq/mode. Confirmed by listening on another receiver in the shack. > > It is so hugely disappointing, I had looked forward to this day, having finally got my rotator and antenna back up on the tower I am faced with looking for another rig to drive the 2m transverter. Unfortunately I don't think it will be Elecraft. Perhaps Elad might be an alternative, but I need to consult the weak signal VHF community first. I will keep the KX3 and PX3 for QRP HF work most likely as selling it at a loss would be a bitter alternative. > > On HF where the band noise and signal strengths are much higher I don't find the same problems, though there are still spurious signals shown on the PX3 there. I could live with them I think, but on what is a nice quiet 144MHz band here, the racket from the PX3 is impossible to put up with. > > Incidentally I wonder what causes that big birdie near 144.4 from the KX3, and if is it related to the similar one reported on the K3? There doesn't seem to be a lot of commonality between the designs. > > Sorry if this sounds like I am trolling, I am not, I love the Elecraft ethos and products, it is just they don't appear to work for my specific needs. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to try before you buy here and I ended up being the guinea pig. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ejkkjh at gmail.com From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Thu May 28 16:24:26 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:24:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Shifted audio image (L-MIX-R) Message-ID: <1432844666893-7603581.post@n2.nabble.com> Is it only my K3 that has this imaging problem with the audio? I have my L-MIX-R set to "A Ab" meaning that the main receiver's audio should be centered in the headphones. That works fine when the sub-receiver is on, but as soon as I turn it off, the audio drifts to the left. There is still audio in the right-hand ear, but the image has clearly shifted to the left. This is the case both for the CW and USB modes. It didn't use to be like this, so I think it must have crept in with the latest firmware updates: MCU 5.14, FPF 1.19, DSP1 and DSP2 2.83 ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Shifted-audio-image-L-MIX-R-tp7603581.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 28 16:44:41 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 16:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Shifted audio image (L-MIX-R) In-Reply-To: <1432844666893-7603581.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432844666893-7603581.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Do you have AFX on? That drifts perceived audio to the left. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > Is it only my K3 that has this imaging problem with the audio? > > I have my L-MIX-R set to "A Ab" meaning that the main receiver's audio > should be centered in the headphones. That works fine when the sub-receiver > is on, but as soon as I turn it off, the audio drifts to the left. There is > still audio in the right-hand ear, but the image has clearly shifted to the > left. This is the case both for the CW and USB modes. > > It didn't use to be like this, so I think it must have crept in with the > latest firmware updates: > MCU 5.14, FPF 1.19, DSP1 and DSP2 2.83 > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > > K2 #2198, K3 #3391, > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: > http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Shifted-audio-image-L-MIX-R-tp7603581.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From n7ir at cox.net Thu May 28 16:46:18 2015 From: n7ir at cox.net (Gary Hembree) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Shifted audio image (L-MIX-R) In-Reply-To: <1432844666893-7603581.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Try turning the AFX off (tap AFX button). 73 Gary, N7IR From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Thu May 28 17:33:27 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 14:33:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Shifted audio image (L-MIX-R) In-Reply-To: References: <1432844666893-7603581.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432848807360-7603584.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, my AFX was accidentally turned on. Thanks to Gary and Guy. Now the CQ WPX contest is going to be much more gentle on my ears! 73 ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Shifted-audio-image-L-MIX-R-tp7603581p7603584.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k9qjs at icloud.com Thu May 28 17:40:44 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 14:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failure Message-ID: What factors might result in the K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failing for both 5 w and 50 w calibration? I have tried two different dummy loads on Antenna 1. The K3 automatic tuner gets a 1.0/1 on the dummy load for all bands including 15m, 12m, 10m, and 6m. Thanks in advance, Hoop K9QJS Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 OS X Version 10.10.3 K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. Starting 5 watt calibration. Calibrating at 1.900 MHz Calibrating at 3.750 MHz Calibrating at 5.366 MHz Calibrating at 7.150 MHz Calibrating at 10.125 MHz Calibrating at 14.200 MHz Calibrating at 18.110 MHz Calibrating at 21.200 MHz SWR 4.3:1 is too high for calibration Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; 5 watt calibration failed. Elapsed time: 36.7 secs Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 OS X Version 10.10.3 K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. Starting 50 watt calibration. Calibrating at 1.900 MHz Calibrating at 3.750 MHz Calibrating at 5.366 MHz Calibrating at 7.150 MHz Calibrating at 10.125 MHz Calibrating at 14.200 MHz Calibrating at 18.110 MHz Calibrating at 21.200 MHz SWR 3.9:1 is too high for calibration Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; 50 watt calibration failed. Elapsed time: 37.0 secs From lenecee at ca.rr.com Thu May 28 17:55:26 2015 From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len Chesler) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 14:55:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 133, Issue 53 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D2BD795-42EB-4DFE-81D7-58DBE02E7DC6@ca.rr.com> Hi Mork. Mom's on her way Sent from my iPhone > On May 28, 2015, at 1:45 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > K9YC From wa6ara at gmail.com Thu May 28 18:59:21 2015 From: wa6ara at gmail.com (Mike Herr) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 15:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Scanning Parameters Message-ID: I would like a longer delay time on the scan function when a station is found. Is there a way to lengthen the "stop on signal" delay? -- Mike Herr WA6ARA DM-15dp Home of The QRP Ranch No trees were killed in the sending of this message, however, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From k9qjs at icloud.com Thu May 28 19:19:49 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 16:19:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Problem solved. Thanks for the responses. I used the manual TX calibration procedure and it worked just fine. Hoop On May 28, 2015, at 14:40 , Jim Hooper wrote: What factors might result in the K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failing for both 5 w and 50 w calibration? I have tried two different dummy loads on Antenna 1. The K3 automatic tuner gets a 1.0/1 on the dummy load for all bands including 15m, 12m, 10m, and 6m. Thanks in advance, Hoop K9QJS Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 OS X Version 10.10.3 K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. Starting 5 watt calibration. Calibrating at 1.900 MHz Calibrating at 3.750 MHz Calibrating at 5.366 MHz Calibrating at 7.150 MHz Calibrating at 10.125 MHz Calibrating at 14.200 MHz Calibrating at 18.110 MHz Calibrating at 21.200 MHz SWR 4.3:1 is too high for calibration Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; 5 watt calibration failed. Elapsed time: 36.7 secs Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 OS X Version 10.10.3 K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. Starting 50 watt calibration. Calibrating at 1.900 MHz Calibrating at 3.750 MHz Calibrating at 5.366 MHz Calibrating at 7.150 MHz Calibrating at 10.125 MHz Calibrating at 14.200 MHz Calibrating at 18.110 MHz Calibrating at 21.200 MHz SWR 3.9:1 is too high for calibration Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; 50 watt calibration failed. Elapsed time: 37.0 secs ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jkhooper at rockisland.com From mrudolph at therabbi.com Thu May 28 20:00:25 2015 From: mrudolph at therabbi.com (Michael Rudolph) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:00:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software Message-ID: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> I want to operate psk with the kx2 using a computer. What is good psk software? Also, what software can I use to turn my computer into a panadapter? If I always have my computer, is there any reason to purchase the panadapter accessory? Michael Rudolph N3IRT From htodd at twofifty.com Thu May 28 20:05:16 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 17:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had problems as well. I used my work laptop with Windows 8.1 and it worked fine. I think there are issues with Yosemite. On Thu, 28 May 2015, Jim Hooper wrote: > Problem solved. Thanks for the responses. > > I used the manual TX calibration procedure and it worked just fine. > > Hoop > > > > > On May 28, 2015, at 14:40 , Jim Hooper wrote: > > What factors might result in the K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failing for both 5 w and 50 w calibration? > > I have tried two different dummy loads on Antenna 1. > > The K3 automatic tuner gets a 1.0/1 on the dummy load for all bands including 15m, 12m, 10m, and 6m. > > Thanks in advance, > Hoop > K9QJS > > > Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 > OS X Version 10.10.3 > K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. > Starting 5 watt calibration. > Calibrating at 1.900 MHz > Calibrating at 3.750 MHz > Calibrating at 5.366 MHz > Calibrating at 7.150 MHz > Calibrating at 10.125 MHz > Calibrating at 14.200 MHz > Calibrating at 18.110 MHz > Calibrating at 21.200 MHz > SWR 4.3:1 is too high for calibration > Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; > 5 watt calibration failed. > Elapsed time: 36.7 secs > > Elecraft K3 Utility for OS X Revision 1.14.10.24 > OS X Version 10.10.3 > K3 MCU revision 05.14. RS-232 speed 38400 bps. > Starting 50 watt calibration. > Calibrating at 1.900 MHz > Calibrating at 3.750 MHz > Calibrating at 5.366 MHz > Calibrating at 7.150 MHz > Calibrating at 10.125 MHz > Calibrating at 14.200 MHz > Calibrating at 18.110 MHz > Calibrating at 21.200 MHz > SWR 3.9:1 is too high for calibration > Verify that a dummy load is attached to AN1; > 50 watt calibration failed. > Elapsed time: 37.0 secs > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jkhooper at rockisland.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu May 28 20:34:15 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 17:34:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Transmit Calibration Gain failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5567B407.6040506@socal.rr.com> I did my TX cal with a Mac running OS X 10.10.3 (Yosemite): No problem. Phil W7OX On 5/28/15 5:05 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > I had problems as well. I used my work laptop > with Windows 8.1 and it > worked fine. I think there are issues with > Yosemite. > > On Thu, 28 May 2015, Jim Hooper wrote: > >> Problem solved. Thanks for the responses. >> >> I used the manual TX calibration procedure and >> it worked just fine. >> >> Hoop From n0nb at n0nb.us Thu May 28 21:33:03 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:33:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software In-Reply-To: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: <20150529013302.GD18753@n0nb.us> * On 2015 28 May 19:01 -0500, Michael Rudolph wrote: > I want to operate psk with the kx2 using a computer. > > What is good psk software? Fldigi. 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the tuner yet. That will happen when I go portable. But, until then, I'd like to know the relays are functioning. When I run the menu-test-sequence, am I to just listen for relay clicking? That's rough for me with my hearing problems. What would happen if there was a relay issue during the menu-test-sequence? TIA for any reply. 73 Jerry KM3K From davidahrendts at me.com Thu May 28 21:51:49 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole Wanted Message-ID: If you want to part with a Buddipole Deluxe, I am in the market. Contact me OFF LIST @ DavidAhrendts at me.com ? many thanks. This thread is closed. Off list only. KC0XT, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu May 28 21:53:49 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken_ke2n via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:53:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif I hope this works. I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced by WSJT FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can see a substantial drop off of the low frequency tones and some kind of additional modulation of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher frequency tone, but I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or something else. Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise nice-looking tones. Ken ----- 73 Ken -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p7603596.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 28 22:17:39 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:17:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What roofing filter is being used for your transmit and have the offsets been set correctly? One issue I saw once was that the filters were mismatched with the filter definitions entered and the guy was actually using an 8 pole 1.8 SSB for transmit which was causing all kinds of problems in data mode. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, May 28, 2015, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: > 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif > < > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7603596/2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif > > > 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif > < > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7603596/2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif > > > > I hope this works. > > I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced by WSJT > FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can see a substantial > drop off of the low frequency tones and some kind of additional modulation > of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher frequency tone, > but > I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or something else. > > Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise nice-looking > tones. > > Ken > > > > ----- > 73 > Ken > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p7603596.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From w4grj at satterfield.org Thu May 28 22:21:59 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:21:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fault In-Reply-To: <20150529013302.GD18753@n0nb.us> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> <20150529013302.GD18753@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <000901d099b6$3ee02940$bca07bc0$@org> My KPA500 has recently started to switch from operate to standby while using on voice LSB on 40 meters KAT500 tunes to 1.38 SWR, the bypass SWR is 3.1 This now happening on several occasions...any suggestions appreciated. Jack W4GRJ From lists at subich.com Thu May 28 22:25:46 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:25:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> Are you using DATA A or trying to force FSK-442 through the K3 in USB with the TX_EQ enabled? Again, I see *NO* frequency effects (crest factor < 0.1 dB at 30, 60 and 100 W) with my K3 when using DATA A and the LINE In. Also make sure your sound card does not have any "enhancements" enabled. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-28 9:53 PM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: > 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif > > 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif > > > I hope this works. > > I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced by WSJT > FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can see a substantial > drop off of the low frequency tones and some kind of additional modulation > of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher frequency tone, but > I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or something else. > > Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise nice-looking > tones. > > Ken > > > > ----- > 73 > Ken > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p7603596.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu May 28 22:36:25 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:36:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fault In-Reply-To: <000901d099b6$3ee02940$bca07bc0$@org> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> <20150529013302.GD18753@n0nb.us> <000901d099b6$3ee02940$bca07bc0$@org> Message-ID: Arcing. Try reducing power and see if the faults go away. Raise the power gradually from low and see when the faults appear. Where faults occur and why is another subject. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, May 28, 2015, w4grj wrote: > My KPA500 has recently started to switch from operate to standby while > using > on voice LSB on 40 meters > KAT500 tunes to 1.38 SWR, the bypass SWR is 3.1 > This now happening on several occasions...any suggestions appreciated. > > Jack > W4GRJ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From k3ndm at comcast.net Thu May 28 23:31:37 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 03:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software In-Reply-To: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: <1089495224.26288336.1432870297562.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Mike, I used FLDIGI or MIXW. Both are quite good. You don't need to worry about radio control beyond PTT. I was using a SigaLink PSK for the interface and it worked well. I have a KX3 these days and I use both the internal PSK cap, abilities of the KX3 and FLDIGI. I go with what is the most convenient at the moment; I still have my SignaLink PSK. How you go will depend on what other software you use. I use Ham Radio Deluxe and some radio control software. It's easy for me to go anyway I want. BTW: Ham Radio Deluxe has a package DM780 that has PSK software and well as other modes. There's nothing really wrong with DM780; I'm just accustomed to using FLDIGI. 73, Barry K3NDM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rudolph" To: "elecraft" Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:00:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software I want to operate psk with the kx2 using a computer. What is good psk software? Also, what software can I use to turn my computer into a panadapter? If I always have my computer, is there any reason to purchase the panadapter accessory? Michael Rudolph N3IRT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From woodr90 at gmail.com Thu May 28 23:31:58 2015 From: woodr90 at gmail.com (Robert Wood) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:31:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <4ABC65856337436EA0FCC88C5D5D925D@PCFausto> References: <1432815329937-7603576.post@n2.nabble.com> <4ABC65856337436EA0FCC88C5D5D925D@PCFausto> Message-ID: <001001d099c0$05d52650$117f72f0$@gmail.com> Looked at the sm5bsz pdf showing the K3 at -128 db at 100khz on phase noise 100khz to 200khz likely to be popular same band operation of K3's at your local Field Day however Looking at the published Jan 2009 QST, I read -148db at 100khz separation - aka the pdf is a bit off Reviewing the ARRL phase noise graphs shows K3 is not just better but superior to other rigs in "Noise" NOT produced at 100khz spacing ..... this is from Figure 3 in the K3/100 writeup in Jan 2009 QST somewhat long process to go look all reviews up and note at 100khz (gave presentation to club on this) ARRL says the graph is -dBc referenced, Checked a few other rigs listed in pdf, doesn't match ARRL graphs for composite-noise test in the report the conclusion is same but Might want to report what ARRL graph shows at 100khz spacing 73 Robert W5AJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fausto Coletti Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:00 AM To: Dave Olean; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A Hi Dave, Here you can read an example of the problem that you mentioned: http://www.sm5bsz.com/dynrange/dubus313.pdf Unfortunately, there are many poor quality radio on the market. 73, Fausto IK4NMF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Olean" To: "bozidar" ; Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A >I tried the same thing on the bench with an old K3 with original synth >boards (no stiffeners) that I was upgrading. The new synth boards went in >just fine and I inserted a test signal at 28.0150 at 0dBm, 1 milliwatt. I >then tuned 1 kHz away and watched the noise floor drop to S1, so that I >could hear a -130 dBm signal just fine only 1 kHz away at 28.0161. I also >had the 400 Hz 8 pole filter engaged, but my eyes bugged out at the >performance. If there was any reciprical mixing, the band would have been >filled with broadband noise. I used to use the old Kenwood radios back in >the 80's (TS-820S and TS-830) They had all sorts of LO noise and croaked >badly with about an 80 dB range as I recall. A strong signal would fill up >the band for over 100 kHz either side with reciprical mixing noise. I am >seeing a radio that is about 50 dB better than that. I replaced the >Kenwoods with Ten Tec OMNI Vs and saw a huge improvement, but nothing like >what I am seeing with the new K3 synthesizer. Receivers can be so good now >that the real problem is transmitted junk from other radios and not front >end deficiencies in your radio. > > Dave K1WHS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bozidar" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:15 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and KSYN3A > > >> Hi, >> just done some tests with K3 and KSYN3A and result are amazing, >> (it is not a scientific test in Sherwood stile, but say enough): >> >> it is a P3 schreenshot as proof of incredible strong signal handling of >> K3 >> with new KSYN3A board: >> /P3 freq. span is 5 kHz, >> red band is signal 59+60dB, centered on 7.134 MHz, >> K3 is on SSB mode, filter BW2.4kHz center weighted (normalized - green >> band) >> - on 7.134 MHz, >> in filter BW is SSB signal clearly and laud herd./ >> >> This all, remind me on video from IC7851 vs IC7800 RMDR characteristics, >> with strong signal and week one ,300 Hz offset( search for Icom IC-7851 >> vs >> IC-7800 RMDR Characteristics on YouTube) >> >> Comments encouraged!!! >> >> 73 de S50BN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-KSYN3A-tp7603576.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to faustocoletti at alice.it > > > ----- > Nessun virus nel messaggio. > Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com > Versione: 2015.0.5941 / Database dei virus: 4354/9885 - Data di rilascio: > 28/05/2015 > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to woodr90 at gmail.com From genebit at bellsouth.net Fri May 29 07:33:49 2015 From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 04:33:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software In-Reply-To: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> Message-ID: <1432899229981-7603603.post@n2.nabble.com> /I want to operate psk with the kx2 using a computer./ I'd be happy with just CW ...if only that radio existed. :) 73, Dave ----- Dave My Web Site -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Advice-on-software-tp7603589p7603603.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 29 07:45:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken_ke2n via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 04:45:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> Message-ID: <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> Joe - I am using data mode with "DATA A" selected. (This mode uses the SSB filter and turns off equalization and compression. But of course the ALC is "on"). What would be really helpful is if you would download a copy of Spectrum Lab and run the monitor output of your K3 through it while transmitting FSK441. Then we would both have a common point of comparison (eliminating the vagaries of power meter PEP algorithms). http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html The time domain scope is under the "components" tab. The default settings with the initial install will work fine, although you will have to select your input device (audio card) if it is not the system default. That is under the Options/Audio settings tab. Regards Ken From: Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7603599h9 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:27 PM To: Ken_ke2n Subject: Re: K3 FSK power transients Are you using DATA A or trying to force FSK-442 through the K3 in USB with the TX_EQ enabled? Again, I see *NO* frequency effects (crest factor < 0.1 dB at 30, 60 and 100 W) with my K3 when using DATA A and the LINE In. Also make sure your sound card does not have any "enhancements" enabled. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-28 9:53 PM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: > 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif > > 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif > > > I hope this works. > > I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced by WSJT > FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can see a substantial > drop off of the low frequency tones and some kind of additional modulation > of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher frequency tone, but > I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or something else. > > Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise nice-looking > tones. > > Ken > > > > ----- > 73 > Ken > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p76035 96.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p76035 99.html To unsubscribe from K3 FSK power transients, click here . NAML ----- 73 Ken -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691p7603604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Fri May 29 08:44:07 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 05:44:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software In-Reply-To: <1089495224.26288336.1432870297562.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <201505290000.t4T00Pik026202@atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com> <1089495224.26288336.1432870297562.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1432903447.26931.2.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Mike, I use MixW, and like it. I have a review of it here: http://nk7z.net/review-of-mixw-multimode-software/ -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 03:31 +0000, k3ndm at comcast.net wrote: > Mike, > I used FLDIGI or MIXW. Both are quite good. You don't need to worry about radio control beyond PTT. I was using a SigaLink PSK for the interface and it worked well. I have a KX3 these days and I use both the internal PSK cap, abilities of the KX3 and FLDIGI. I go with what is the most convenient at the moment; I still have my SignaLink PSK. > > How you go will depend on what other software you use. I use Ham Radio Deluxe and some radio control software. It's easy for me to go anyway I want. BTW: Ham Radio Deluxe has a package DM780 that has PSK software and well as other modes. There's nothing really wrong with DM780; I'm just accustomed to using FLDIGI. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Rudolph" > To: "elecraft" > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:00:25 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Advice on software > > I want to operate psk with the kx2 using a computer. > > What is good psk software? > Also, what software can I use to turn my computer into a panadapter? If I always have my computer, is there any reason to purchase the panadapter accessory? > > Michael Rudolph > N3IRT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From ray2.s at btinternet.com Fri May 29 09:15:23 2015 From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 14:15:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Logikey K-5 Keyer from Idiom Press Message-ID: <013101d09a11$880a43c0$981ecb40$@btinternet.com> Sorry it's off topic but I need some help please. Does Idiom Press still exist? Is Mr Rob Lochar still there? Last December I ordered a Logikey K-5 Keyer from Idiom Press in Merlin Oregon off their website. Rob Lochar Emailed me on 12th Dec asking for the code on my Visa but saying the order would be delayed due to production problems. Fair enough. They did not answer my emails in Jan or March but in April they deducted $180.90 US Dollars from my Visa Account. I assumed the keyer was on its way & waited patiently. When I received no notification of shipping I emailed them again twice. No response received & no keyer arrived. Any advice would be appreciated, its a bit difficult to phone them from here in the UK but I will do that if the Company is still in existence. This is the first time I have ever had a problem ordering radio/electronics stuff from the USA over the last 5 years. 73 Ray G3XLG From lists at subich.com Fri May 29 10:49:55 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 10:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> Message-ID: <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> A quick reply since I'm on my way out ... I'll look more in depth later. I am concerned about the audio waveform generated by your WaveNode device. I see peaks to 128 +/- and dips to 64 +/- with a significant amount of asymmetry. The asymmetry would make me wonder if there is not some clipping (bad transistor) in the LPA, KPA3 or in the WaveNode device itself. Perhaps the only way to know for sure would be to use a second receiver and look at the *recovered* audio. > Mine is using the more steep-sided 8 pole filter and has the new > synthesizer board and the latest firmware updates. I'm also using the 2.8 KHz filter, new synthesizer and most recent production firmware for the KSYN3A. Note there was no change in DSP code to support the KSYN3A so I would not expect the firmware to be an issue. > PEP/average (power) ratio is the (voltage) crest factor squared. It > is hard to get the effective(average) value of the wave by eyeball. > But you could take the min/max and divide by 2. No - Crest factor is 10*log(Peak/Average) in terms of power and 20*log(Peak/Average) in terms of voltage. Since the modulation is single sine waves (not a complex waveform) the average (RMS) is 0.7 x peak. The lowest voltage I see is 0.8V, the highest is slightly less than 1.0 (call it 0.98). Using the average of 0.98 and 0.80 (there should be about as many of each tone) we get 20Log(.98/.89) or 0.84 dB which is a reasonable match to the Peak to Average ratio reported by the LP-100. > I tried backing down the line level to where no ALC action was > visible but there are still "dips". Can't do that. With less than 4 bars of ALC the DSP code will try to "follow level" and may make things worse depending on the time constant. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-29 10:04 AM, Ken wrote: > Good job Joe. > > My understanding is that the monitor output of the K3 should be a > fair representation of what another receiver would see - minus the > effects of propagation and any external power amplifier. But it is > just really something convenient to use (as evidenced by the > quickness of your response). > >> From a subjective/eyeball view of the waveform - we can see your K3 >> is doing a better job than mine. I wonder what the differences >> are? > Mine is using the more steep-sided 8 pole filter and has the new > synthesizer board and the latest firmware updates. > > PEP/average (power) ratio is the (voltage) crest factor squared. It > is hard to get the effective(average) value of the wave by eyeball. > But you could take the min/max and divide by 2. On your graph, the > max is 1.0 and I see two points where it dips to about 0.75 (at 0.5 > ms and 11.5 ms). That gives a crest factor of 1.14 and a PEP/average > power ratio of 1.3. In decibels that is 2.28 dB which is similar to > what a filter passband ripple might be. Anyway, it's better that > what I am seeing. > > Some other artifacts are visible on the 2 kHz segments. For example, > at 2 ms there is a cycle that is shorter than the cycles on either > side; at about 11.5 ms there is a cycle that is taller than the ones > on either side. Some of this is probably in the actual signal as > generated. Looking back at my "no-radio" graph I can see a small > fluctuation in the level of a 2 kHz segment where there are 9 cycles > in a row... > > In terms of RF sample, my power meter provides a scope function right > off the RF detector. I have included two pictures of this. These are > several overlaid scans snatched from a CQ message. The power readings > of my wattmeter must come from squaring this voltage measurement. It > has pretty high frequency response (0.1 ms features can easily be > seen - this is a bit much if used for the power meter readings > imho). > > One of the things I tried yesterday was some "pre-emphasis" using a > software sound equalizer on my audio. The tone levels at the monitor > output are closer in level, to each other, with the equalizer > inserted. But there are still ups and downs in the envelope of > monitored waveform. In terms of power, the graph with the > equalization "on" shows fewer upward peaks in the power level (second > file attached). I have not tried with the linear amplifier on yet, > but it looks like the PEP/Average ratio has been reduced a bit with > the equalizer on (from 1.8 to 1.6) so I guess I will keep it. > > The "dips" in power are present in both graphs. Perhaps that is > inherent in the modulation? I don't know how to measure audio power > at the input to the radio.... if the signal from the sound card does > not have these dips, then the radio must be doing it somehow. I tried > backing down the line level to where no ALC action was visible but > there are still "dips". > > Later Ken > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > [mailto:lists at subich.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:35 AM To: > Ken_ke2n; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK > power transients > > > I don't know what a *monitor* output proves since it is *not* an RF > sample. However, I have attached a Spectrum Lab Time Domain capture > as requested. Notice the crest factor is well less than 1 dB. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-29 7:45 AM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: >> Joe - I am using data mode with "DATA A" selected. (This mode >> uses the SSB filter and turns off equalization and compression. But >> of course the ALC is "on"). >> >> >> >> What would be really helpful is if you would download a copy of >> Spectrum Lab and run the monitor output of your K3 through it while >> transmitting FSK441. Then we would both have a common point of >> comparison (eliminating the vagaries of power meter PEP >> algorithms). >> >> >> >> http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html >> >> >> >> The time domain scope is under the "components" tab. The default >> settings with the initial install will work fine, although you >> will have to select your input device (audio card) if it is not the >> system default. That is under the Options/Audio settings tab. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> From: Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] >> [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7603599h9 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, >> May 28, 2015 10:27 PM To: Ken_ke2n Subject: Re: K3 FSK power >> transients >> >> >> >> >> Are you using DATA A or trying to force FSK-442 through the K3 in >> USB with the TX_EQ enabled? Again, I see *NO* frequency effects >> (crest factor < 0.1 dB at 30, 60 and 100 W) with my K3 when using >> DATA A and the LINE In. >> >> Also make sure your sound card does not have any "enhancements" >> enabled. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-28 9:53 PM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: >> >> >>> 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif >>> >> > >> 6-Time >> _domain_scope_no_radio.gif> >>> 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif >>> >> > >> 0-Time >> _domain_scope.gif> >>> >>> I hope this works. >>> >>> I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced >>> by WSJT FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can >>> see a substantial drop off of the low frequency tones and some >>> kind of additional modulation >> >>> of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher >>> frequency tone, >> but >>> I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or >>> something else. >> >>> >>> Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise >>> nice-looking tones. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- 73 Ken >>> >>> -- View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691 >> >> p76035 >> 96.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> [hidden email] >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [hidden email] >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >> discussion below: >> >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691 >> >> p76035 >> 99.html >> >> To unsubscribe from K3 FSK power transients, click here >> > >> nsubsc >> ribe_by_code&node=3712691&code=a2UybkBjcy5jb218MzcxMjY5MXwzMzYyNjM0NzE=> >> . >> >> > >> acro_v >> iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespace >> >> s.Basi >> cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.te >> >> mplate >> .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-in >> >> stant_ >> emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> >> >> NAML >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- 73 Ken >> >> -- View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp3712691 >> >> p7603604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at subich.com >> From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 29 11:46:42 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 11:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> Message-ID: <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> I was going by this definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_factor But I stand corrected on the average. I was computing an average of the crest, not the effective value of the wave. Since these are sine waves, the effective value is 0.707 of the crest. Of course, when the crest value is varying over the period under consideration, you might want to average the crests and then multiply by 0.707, which is kind of what I was doing. That means the PAPR (peak to average power ratio) for a sine wave is, by definition, 3 dB. If you have more than one tone present at any moment the PAPR must be higher than 3 dB (see the URL above). But that is not what our fancy power meters measure. These power meters are supposed to measure Peak Envelope Power and average power. With complex waveforms like speech there is no analytical relationship between PEP and average. It depends on the user's voice and the amount of speech processing used. The peaks can easily be 10-20 times the average in an uncompressed voice signal. For FSK441, the modulating wave is mostly pure tones (of a constant amplitude if all goes well) and some minimal "keying sidebands" due to the 441 baud modulation. So I was thinking there must be some way to calculate PEP/average. The result of a pure tone, in SSB, is a steady carrier and the filtered envelope of that RF is the same as the average power - so RF PEP/average is 1.0. Mind you, the *instantaneous* value of the RF voltage wave will be 1.414 times the RMS value, but the usual definition of PEP says that a steady carrier has PEP equal to average power. And, when I send one of the steady tones, "73" for example, the Wave Node meter reads PEP equal to average (within some tolerance). What happens is that I see the average power reading rise to the PEP. The PEP reading stays the same. I imagine the K3 is riding herd on the peak and keeping it constant (even with no bars showing). Time for lunch here ;-) But I will send a note to the Wave Node guy and see what he says about those peaks and dips. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 10:50 AM To: Ken; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients A quick reply since I'm on my way out ... I'll look more in depth later. I am concerned about the audio waveform generated by your WaveNode device. I see peaks to 128 +/- and dips to 64 +/- with a significant amount of asymmetry. The asymmetry would make me wonder if there is not some clipping (bad transistor) in the LPA, KPA3 or in the WaveNode device itself. Perhaps the only way to know for sure would be to use a second receiver and look at the *recovered* audio. > Mine is using the more steep-sided 8 pole filter and has the new > synthesizer board and the latest firmware updates. I'm also using the 2.8 KHz filter, new synthesizer and most recent production firmware for the KSYN3A. Note there was no change in DSP code to support the KSYN3A so I would not expect the firmware to be an issue. > PEP/average (power) ratio is the (voltage) crest factor squared. It > is hard to get the effective(average) value of the wave by eyeball. > But you could take the min/max and divide by 2. No - Crest factor is 10*log(Peak/Average) in terms of power and 20*log(Peak/Average) in terms of voltage. Since the modulation is single sine waves (not a complex waveform) the average (RMS) is 0.7 x peak. The lowest voltage I see is 0.8V, the highest is slightly less than 1.0 (call it 0.98). Using the average of 0.98 and 0.80 (there should be about as many of each tone) we get 20Log(.98/.89) or 0.84 dB which is a reasonable match to the Peak to Average ratio reported by the LP-100. > I tried backing down the line level to where no ALC action was visible > but there are still "dips". Can't do that. With less than 4 bars of ALC the DSP code will try to "follow level" and may make things worse depending on the time constant. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-29 10:04 AM, Ken wrote: > Good job Joe. > > My understanding is that the monitor output of the K3 should be a fair > representation of what another receiver would see - minus the effects > of propagation and any external power amplifier. But it is just really > something convenient to use (as evidenced by the quickness of your > response). > >> From a subjective/eyeball view of the waveform - we can see your K3 >> is doing a better job than mine. I wonder what the differences are? > Mine is using the more steep-sided 8 pole filter and has the new > synthesizer board and the latest firmware updates. > > PEP/average (power) ratio is the (voltage) crest factor squared. It > is hard to get the effective(average) value of the wave by eyeball. > But you could take the min/max and divide by 2. On your graph, the > max is 1.0 and I see two points where it dips to about 0.75 (at 0.5 ms > and 11.5 ms). That gives a crest factor of 1.14 and a PEP/average > power ratio of 1.3. In decibels that is 2.28 dB which is similar to > what a filter passband ripple might be. Anyway, it's better that what > I am seeing. > > Some other artifacts are visible on the 2 kHz segments. For example, > at 2 ms there is a cycle that is shorter than the cycles on either > side; at about 11.5 ms there is a cycle that is taller than the ones > on either side. Some of this is probably in the actual signal as > generated. Looking back at my "no-radio" graph I can see a small > fluctuation in the level of a 2 kHz segment where there are 9 cycles > in a row... > > In terms of RF sample, my power meter provides a scope function right > off the RF detector. I have included two pictures of this. These are > several overlaid scans snatched from a CQ message. The power readings > of my wattmeter must come from squaring this voltage measurement. It > has pretty high frequency response (0.1 ms features can easily be seen > - this is a bit much if used for the power meter readings imho). > > One of the things I tried yesterday was some "pre-emphasis" using a > software sound equalizer on my audio. The tone levels at the monitor > output are closer in level, to each other, with the equalizer > inserted. But there are still ups and downs in the envelope of > monitored waveform. In terms of power, the graph with the > equalization "on" shows fewer upward peaks in the power level (second > file attached). I have not tried with the linear amplifier on yet, > but it looks like the PEP/Average ratio has been reduced a bit with > the equalizer on (from 1.8 to 1.6) so I guess I will keep it. > > The "dips" in power are present in both graphs. Perhaps that is > inherent in the modulation? I don't know how to measure audio power at > the input to the radio.... if the signal from the sound card does not > have these dips, then the radio must be doing it somehow. I tried > backing down the line level to where no ALC action was visible but > there are still "dips". > > Later Ken > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > [mailto:lists at subich.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:35 AM To: > Ken_ke2n; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK > power transients > > > I don't know what a *monitor* output proves since it is *not* an RF > sample. However, I have attached a Spectrum Lab Time Domain capture > as requested. Notice the crest factor is well less than 1 dB. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-29 7:45 AM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: >> Joe - I am using data mode with "DATA A" selected. (This mode uses >> the SSB filter and turns off equalization and compression. But of >> course the ALC is "on"). >> >> >> >> What would be really helpful is if you would download a copy of >> Spectrum Lab and run the monitor output of your K3 through it while >> transmitting FSK441. Then we would both have a common point of >> comparison (eliminating the vagaries of power meter PEP algorithms). >> >> >> >> http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html >> >> >> >> The time domain scope is under the "components" tab. The default >> settings with the initial install will work fine, although you will >> have to select your input device (audio card) if it is not the system >> default. That is under the Options/Audio settings tab. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> From: Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] >> [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7603599h9 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, May >> 28, 2015 10:27 PM To: Ken_ke2n Subject: Re: K3 FSK power transients >> >> >> >> >> Are you using DATA A or trying to force FSK-442 through the K3 in USB >> with the TX_EQ enabled? Again, I see *NO* frequency effects (crest >> factor < 0.1 dB at 30, 60 and 100 W) with my K3 when using DATA A and >> the LINE In. >> >> Also make sure your sound card does not have any "enhancements" >> enabled. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-28 9:53 PM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: >> >> >>> 2015-05-27_20_48_16-Time_domain_scope_no_radio.gif >>> >> > 1 >> >> 6-Time >> _domain_scope_no_radio.gif> >>> 2015-05-27_19_07_20-Time_domain_scope.gif >>> >> > 2 >> >> 0-Time >> _domain_scope.gif> >>> >>> I hope this works. >>> >>> I have shown, in two attached images, the tones being produced by >>> WSJT FSK441 and then the monitor output of the K3. You can see a >>> substantial drop off of the low frequency tones and some kind of >>> additional modulation >> >>> of the overall envelope (most noticeable with the higher frequency >>> tone, >> but >>> I think it affects all). Not sure if this is ALC action or something >>> else. >> >>> >>> Anyway, the K3 makes a bit of a mess out of some otherwise >>> nice-looking tones. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- 73 Ken >>> >>> -- View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp371269 >> 1 >> >> p76035 >> 96.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> [hidden email] >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> [hidden email] >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >> discussion below: >> >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp371269 >> 1 >> >> p76035 >> 99.html >> >> To unsubscribe from K3 FSK power transients, click here >> > u >> >> nsubsc >> ribe_by_code&node=3712691&code=a2UybkBjcy5jb218MzcxMjY5MXwzMzYyNjM0Nz >> E=> >> . >> >> > m >> >> acro_v >> iewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespac >> e >> >> s.Basi >> cNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.t >> e >> >> mplate >> .NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-i >> n >> >> stant_ >> emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml >> > >> >> NAML >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- 73 Ken >> >> -- View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FSK-power-transients-tp371269 >> 1 >> >> p7603604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at subich.com >> From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri May 29 12:08:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 12:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> Message-ID: <55688F15.50003@embarqmail.com> Ken, It may be that you are over-analyzing it. Simply increase the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar flickering. On the K3, that is the "NO ALC" point - the "less than 5 bars" area of the "ALC" meter is more or less like a VU meter, and is done that way to allow you to properly adjust the audio level. You must have adequate audio drive to allow the K3 power control to operate correctly. Control the power output with the power knob, not the audio. The K3 is different in this respect from most (or all) the other transceivers on the market. The sage advice of NO ALC offered for those other transceivers does not work for the K3 (and K2 and KX3). Yes, the K3 is 'riding herd' on the power output, and that is in PEP. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/29/2015 11:46 AM, Ken via Elecraft wrote: > example, the Wave Node meter reads PEP equal to average (within some tolerance). What happens is that I see the average power reading rise to the PEP. The PEP reading stays the same. I imagine the K3 is riding herd on the peak and keeping it constant (even with no bars showing). > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 29 12:24:49 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 12:24:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <55688F15.50003@embarqmail.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> <55688F15.50003@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <016601d09a2b$fc43d700$f4cb8500$@cs.com> Thanks Don - this is, in fact, how I run it: 4-5 bars. I control power with the power control. I follow the directions ;-) I was just surprised to see the ALC working even with no bars showing. My problems is that my FSK441 has a lot of PEP. And apparently it is not supposed to ... 73 Ken -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 12:09 PM To: Ken; 'Joe Subich, W4TV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients Ken, It may be that you are over-analyzing it. Simply increase the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar flickering. On the K3, that is the "NO ALC" point - the "less than 5 bars" area of the "ALC" meter is more or less like a VU meter, and is done that way to allow you to properly adjust the audio level. You must have adequate audio drive to allow the K3 power control to operate correctly. Control the power output with the power knob, not the audio. The K3 is different in this respect from most (or all) the other transceivers on the market. The sage advice of NO ALC offered for those other transceivers does not work for the K3 (and K2 and KX3). Yes, the K3 is 'riding herd' on the power output, and that is in PEP. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/29/2015 11:46 AM, Ken via Elecraft wrote: > example, the Wave Node meter reads PEP equal to average (within some tolerance). What happens is that I see the average power reading rise to the PEP. The PEP reading stays the same. I imagine the K3 is riding herd on the peak and keeping it constant (even with no bars showing). > > From PKA at telepost.gl Fri May 29 12:53:23 2015 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:53:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It all depends on what you want to achieve. There are many different reasons for hams to want to operate RC. Different requirements probably call for different solutions. If you want to operate your home rig (or for that matter a real remote rig) when you are not at home, eg. when travelling, it might be both expensive and unpractical using the K3/0-Mini and RemoteRig set. Expensive or not depends on your financial situation of course. But you will spend something like 1270 USD and you will have to carry around some boxes and cables etc. But you have the luxury of having a very attractive man/machine interface! Still for the traveller: If you want an inexpensive solution, if you can accept to operate your rig from a computer screen and *if* you anyway carry a laptop ot iPad (or even iPhone) and you already have a PC in your shack (you can do away with a cheap notebook) you can limit your investment to less than 100 USD and still operate your K3+KPA+Kat500 quite satisfactorily. I dare to say so because I have done it for many years (>20k QSOs over 10 years, all CW). You will need to dig into some details about setting up networks and handle computers, so if you dont like to do this, it might not be your solution. I would not say it is free of problems/challenges, but I started from scratch, and am very satisfied with how it works. But if on the other hand you want to set up a stationary operating pos. for a remote station, it is a completely different ball game and I think the K3/0-Mini and RemoteRig set is by far the best solution for that situation. So my advice to you is to first of all find out what kind of use you are looking for and then select a solution. 73 de Paul OZ4UN Sent from my iPad > On 26 May 2015, at 14:40, jlbates4 wrote: > > I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's > siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig > products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. > > I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency > commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. > > Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? > > My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do > some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. > > Comments encouraged!!! > > > 73 de K8OI > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pka at tele.gl From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 29 13:48:59 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:48:59 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Auto OFF on battery only suggestion Message-ID: <4552FCF5-ED39-4FF2-8F65-F27DDF86D3A6@yahoo.co.uk> I wonder if the Auto OFF command could be enhanced so that it has an option so that it takes effect only if the KX3 is running from internal batteries? The only reason I set Auto OFF on is so that if I forget to turn it off while I have the rig on batteries it will switch off and not run them down. I like to leave the rig on continuously when running from an external source for stability and frequently come back to find it has switched off. Thanks for your consideration. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri May 29 14:00:40 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Arnie Grubbs via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - AM BW display question.. Message-ID: <1376070530.650338.1432922440657.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Group, I have a question on the display on the PX3, when listening to some people on 75M AM, I notice that the bandwidth display is very lop-sided, showing more than twice the coverage on one side than the other.. Also when adjusting the BW of the filter, it reduces the BW displayed on the PX3, but, as you go narrower, the display reduces width faster on the wide side than it does on the other, until you get a display that looks like you are actually using LSB mode. The Xfilter indicator shows that it using FL1 the whole time.. so, just thought that this was strange and I would ask about it. This easy to see happen when listening to WWV on AM, adjust the width full wide, then crank it down to narrow. Thanks for any help with this! Arnie KA0NCR . From lists at subich.com Fri May 29 14:52:31 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 14:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> Message-ID: <5568B56F.4090609@subich.com> I don't know what a *monitor* output proves since it is *not* an RF sample. However, I have attached a Spectrum Lab Time Domain capture as requested. Notice the crest factor is well less than 1 dB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-29 7:45 AM, Ken_ke2n via Elecraft wrote: > Joe - I am using data mode with "DATA A" selected. (This mode uses the SSB > filter and turns off equalization and compression. But of course the ALC is > "on"). > > > > What would be really helpful is if you would download a copy of Spectrum Lab > and run the monitor output of your K3 through it while transmitting FSK441. > Then we would both have a common point of comparison (eliminating the > vagaries of power meter PEP algorithms). > > > > http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html > > > > The time domain scope is under the "components" tab. The default settings > with the initial install will work fine, although you will have to select > your input device (audio card) if it is not the system default. That is > under the Options/Audio settings tab. > > > > Regards > > Ken > From lists at subich.com Fri May 29 15:12:20 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 15:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> Message-ID: <5568BA14.1070601@subich.com> > But I stand corrected on the average. I was computing an average of > the crest, not the effective value of the wave. Since these are sine > waves, the effective value is 0.707 of the crest. Of course, when the > crest value is varying over the period under consideration, you might > want to average the crests and then multiply by 0.707, which is kind > of what I was doing. That is not the definition of peak to average in the RF domain. For a CW (sine wave modulation) signal, the peak to average ratio is 1:1 or 0 dB. Since FSK (specifically, in this case FSK-441 - which is 4FSK) is a sequence of sine waves, the theoretical peak to average ratio is 0 dB. Now, if you introduce AM into the FSK modulation, e.g., some tone or tones have different levels, the crest factor departs from 0 dB. In this case, Peak Power (or PEP) is the maximum average peak (CW) case and "average power" is the longer term average of the peak power. In a linear system, PEP is the CW (single tone) power while average power - per FCC definition is the value to which a capacitor would charge based on multiple peaks (or the average of the peaks of the modulation). For 4FSK where three of the 4 tones were 1.4 V Peak (1.0 V RMS) while the fourth tone was 1.12V (0.8 V RMS), the average voltage would be: (3 * 1.4 + 1.12)/4 or 1.33 V Peak. The Peak voltage is the highest of the four tones or 1.4 V. Thus the Peak to average ration for a 4FSK signal with one tone at 80% of the other three would 1.4/1.33 - or 0.45 dB. I'd strongly suggest you get an audio oscillator with a known, stable output level, pick one tone - either 1323 or 1764 Hz - and run it into you K3, set the mic gain to "4 bars of ALC" and measure the CW output power at that frequency. Then, without changing the audio level or mic gain, measure the CW level of your K3 at 882, 1323, 1764 and 2205 Hz. My guess is that you will find that one tone or another produces significantly less power than the others - probably because of a filter alignment or ripple issue. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-29 11:46 AM, Ken wrote: > I was going by this definition: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_factor > > But I stand corrected on the average. I was computing an average of > the crest, not the effective value of the wave. Since these are sine > waves, the effective value is 0.707 of the crest. Of course, when the > crest value is varying over the period under consideration, you might > want to average the crests and then multiply by 0.707, which is kind > of what I was doing. > > That means the PAPR (peak to average power ratio) for a sine wave is, > by definition, 3 dB. If you have more than one tone present at any > moment the PAPR must be higher than 3 dB (see the URL above). > > But that is not what our fancy power meters measure. > > These power meters are supposed to measure Peak Envelope Power and > average power. With complex waveforms like speech there is no > analytical relationship between PEP and average. It depends on the > user's voice and the amount of speech processing used. The peaks can > easily be 10-20 times the average in an uncompressed voice signal. > > For FSK441, the modulating wave is mostly pure tones (of a constant > amplitude if all goes well) and some minimal "keying sidebands" due > to the 441 baud modulation. So I was thinking there must be some way > to calculate PEP/average. > > The result of a pure tone, in SSB, is a steady carrier and the > filtered envelope of that RF is the same as the average power - so RF > PEP/average is 1.0. Mind you, the *instantaneous* value of the RF > voltage wave will be 1.414 times the RMS value, but the usual > definition of PEP says that a steady carrier has PEP equal to average > power. And, when I send one of the steady tones, "73" for example, > the Wave Node meter reads PEP equal to average (within some > tolerance). What happens is that I see the average power reading > rise to the PEP. The PEP reading stays the same. I imagine the K3 is > riding herd on the peak and keeping it constant (even with no bars > showing). > > Time for lunch here ;-) But I will send a note to the Wave Node guy > and see what he says about those peaks and dips. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > [mailto:lists at subich.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 10:50 AM To: > Ken; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power > transients > > > A quick reply since I'm on my way out ... I'll look more in depth > later. > > I am concerned about the audio waveform generated by your WaveNode > device. I see peaks to 128 +/- and dips to 64 +/- with a significant > amount of asymmetry. The asymmetry would make me wonder if there is > not some clipping (bad transistor) in the LPA, KPA3 or in the > WaveNode device itself. > > Perhaps the only way to know for sure would be to use a second > receiver and look at the *recovered* audio. > >> Mine is using the more steep-sided 8 pole filter and has the new > >> synthesizer board and the latest firmware updates. > > I'm also using the 2.8 KHz filter, new synthesizer and most recent > production firmware for the KSYN3A. Note there was no change in DSP > code to support the KSYN3A so I would not expect the firmware to be > an issue. > >> PEP/average (power) ratio is the (voltage) crest factor squared. >> It > is hard to get the effective(average) value of the wave by >> eyeball. But you could take the min/max and divide by 2. > > No - Crest factor is 10*log(Peak/Average) in terms of power and > 20*log(Peak/Average) in terms of voltage. Since the modulation is > single sine waves (not a complex waveform) the average (RMS) is 0.7 x > peak. The lowest voltage I see is 0.8V, the highest is slightly less > than 1.0 (call it 0.98). Using the average of 0.98 and 0.80 (there > should be about as many of each tone) we get 20Log(.98/.89) or 0.84 > dB which is a reasonable match to the Peak to Average ratio reported > by the LP-100. > >> I tried backing down the line level to where no ALC action was >> visible but there are still "dips". > > Can't do that. With less than 4 bars of ALC the DSP code will try to > "follow level" and may make things worse depending on the time > constant. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > From PKA at telepost.gl Fri May 29 19:04:35 2015 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 23:04:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> , Message-ID: Joe I use one of three different solutions: 1. From a laptop I use two Winkeyers connected over IP via K1EL WKremote Server/Client programs. Keying may be either using a paddle or using the laptop keyboard. Alternatively it is possible to use only one Winkeyer at the remote rig and input by keyboard via Teamviewer. Audio is based on IP-Sound which is excellent for CW ( superior to Skype). 2. From an iPad or iPhone I use an app called K3iNetwork made by Mike KS7D. Keying using the keypad. You can even use voice input to the iPhone/iPad (and key your rig) using SIRI, but this is not yet useful and needs some more work on the app. But it could be developed to be an interesting mode for RC operation from a moving car. Audio based on Skype. 3. From an iPad or iPhone I use an app called K3iDitDah also made by Mike. Keying is done using the touch screen in a way like touch-type paddling. Although this app can be used as it is now it still does need some development work. Audio based on Skype. NB: It is possible to switch between solution 1 and 2 (or 3) on the fly while receiving! 73 de Paul OZ4UN Sent from my iPad On 29 May 2015, at 22:01, Joe Moffatt > wrote: What remote solution do you use for CW? Joe From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:53 AM To: jlbates4 Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? It all depends on what you want to achieve. There are many different reasons for hams to want to operate RC. Different requirements probably call for different solutions. If you want to operate your home rig (or for that matter a real remote rig) when you are not at home, eg. when travelling, it might be both expensive and unpractical using the K3/0-Mini and RemoteRig set. Expensive or not depends on your financial situation of course. But you will spend something like 1270 USD and you will have to carry around some boxes and cables etc. But you have the luxury of having a very attractive man/machine interface! Still for the traveller: If you want an inexpensive solution, if you can accept to operate your rig from a computer screen and *if* you anyway carry a laptop ot iPad (or even iPhone) and you already have a PC in your shack (you can do away with a cheap notebook) you can limit your investment to less than 100 USD and still operate your K3+KPA+Kat500 quite satisfactorily. I dare to say so because I have done it for many years (>20k QSOs over 10 years, all CW). You will need to dig into some details about setting up networks and handle computers, so if you dont like to do this, it might not be your solution. I would not say it is free of problems/challenges, but I started from scratch, and am very satisfied with how it works. But if on the other hand you want to set up a stationary operating pos. for a remote station, it is a completely different ball game and I think the K3/0-Mini and RemoteRig set is by far the best solution for that situation. So my advice to you is to first of all find out what kind of use you are looking for and then select a solution. 73 de Paul OZ4UN Sent from my iPad > On 26 May 2015, at 14:40, jlbates4 wrote: > > I'm in the midst of a terrible urge to spend some $$'s and the K3/0'-Mini's > siren call is hard to resist. I've done a bit of reading on the RemoteRig > products and there is scare info on the K3/0 mini. > > I'd love to hear any testimonials, rig setups, real-world latency > commentary, or even how you manage the firmware. > > Anyone play with the codecs? Thoughts on the different audio quality? > > My current though is using the K3/0-Mini on the same local network and I do > some occasional work travel, might be nice to take it with me. > > Comments encouraged!!! > > > 73 de K8OI > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pka at tele.gl ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at selectconnect.net ________________________________ Total Control Panel Login To: joe at selectconnect.net From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block this sender / Block this sender enterprise-wide Block mailman.qth.net / Block mailman.qth.net enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. From btippett at alum.mit.edu Sat May 30 06:59:28 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 03:59:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and CW Skimmer's 24 kHz limitation Message-ID: <1432983568062-7603618.post@n2.nabble.com> Just an FYI for anyone interested. Several years ago I opted to use Blind Skimmer's waterfall because I found it so convenient for fast S&P (due to Skimmer's ability to quickly jump to *exact* zero beat...see video below). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZDXuOgUQJ0 I asked Alex VE3NEA if the new K3S might change the 24 kHz limitation (Softrock on IF mode). Below is his response. 73, Bill W4ZV Hi Bill, Sorry for the late reply, I have just returned from a 2-week trip and started to answer my email. No, the presence of the USB and RS232 ports in the radio does not change the bandwidth processed by CW Skimmer in the IF mode, sorry. Alex On 2015-05-15 18:12, Bill Tippett wrote: Hi Alex, The data sheet says: "Includes both USB and RS232 ports; Using USB port eliminates need for PC sound card and line-level audio cables (line in/out jacks still included)" http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%20A1.pdf Would this remove the 24 kHz limitation using Skimmer? 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-CW-Skimmer-s-24-kHz-limitation-tp7603618.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k8cxm at hotmail.com Sat May 30 09:15:40 2015 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder (Hotmail)) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 09:15:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 for sale Message-ID: From: Jim Leder Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:14 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 for sale The KX1 has been sold. Thank you. Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999 There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. From cx7tt at 4email.net Sat May 30 11:08:22 2015 From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 12:08:22 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive? Message-ID: <1432998502.3543548.282215409.251AFFC7@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hola, I was scheduled to operate my K3 as a remote for the WPX contest. Problems with VPN at remote site delayed that setup. As contest time approached, I decided to deploy my Buddipole out the apartment window and was gonna play around with 100w and dipole config.on 15m. However, I could not hear any signals, at all. Nothing but white noise on all bands. The Buddipole ends in a BNC which I had connected to adaptor for PL259. Tried Ant 1 and Ant 2 with no luck. Thinking adaptor may be bad, I hook BNC to RX in but no sigs there. This morning, more troubleshooting, I discovered that there is no power out (although I was tricked as ATU was finding perfect SWR , HI). K3 has not been used for over a year and when I brought it to HP, it was inside my rollaboard so I had a watchful eye on it during the trip. The only thing I can think of, is perhaps one or more of the circuit boards was dislodged due to vibrations of rolling around the airport or within the airplane(s) themselves. 9 hours on B767 then 3 on a B737. Before I open up the K3 and start messing around inside. any suggestions or tips on where I should start? I am thinking of pulling circuit boards then resetting them, just in case one or more was 'jiggled' loose during transport. 73 Tom HP1/K6CT aka CX7TT -- From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sat May 30 11:34:31 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 10:34:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive? Message-ID: Tom, Since you receive white noise, before you dive into the K3, consider that there is an item that is common to all three antenna inputs. - The BNC connector and coax to the BudiPole. Try another independent antenna into the antenna input you have active. Just a few feet of wire as an antenna will give you some signal reception. Then try transmitting into a dummy load using a completely different coax and connector. Just suggestions. 73, Jim Wilson From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 30 12:59:03 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ray W2RS via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 12:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Message-ID: <91b50.5dc31331.429b4657@aol.com> I admit to not having the quietest of locations, but when I'm listening on 6-meter CW or SSB with the KX3, my ears cannot tell if the PX3 is on or off. 73 Ray W2RS From brians at fl240.com Sat May 30 14:56:16 2015 From: brians at fl240.com (KA7KDX) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 11:56:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> Does anyone have K3/0 they want to part with? I'm stuck in apartment, I've tried everything from wires to magnetic loops. My problem is not getting out, its AFCI breakers. Any rf out and they pop (including the apartments around me.) So if anyone has one they want to part with, let me know Brian KA7KDX brians at fl240.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508p7603625.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat May 30 16:13:10 2015 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 13:13:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Sorry, I don't have a K3/0, but your problem certainly caught my interest. I had never heard of AFCI breakers before, but a quick Google search got me quickly reeducated and my eyes glazed over. Wow, these RF prone devices have been mandatory since 1999! Another federal mandate to protect people against their own stupidity (not checking their power cords for fraying and other damage). AB2TC - Knut KA7KDX wrote > Does anyone have K3/0 they want to part with? I'm stuck in apartment, I've > tried everything from wires to magnetic loops. My problem is not getting > out, its AFCI breakers. Any rf out and they pop (including the apartments > around me.) > > So if anyone has one they want to part with, let me know > > Brian > KA7KDX > brians at fl240.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508p7603626.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brians at fl240.com Sat May 30 16:23:30 2015 From: brians at fl240.com (Brian Sheets) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 20:23:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yah? it sucks. I knew when I moved to an apartment that staying on HF was going to be a challenge, but I was not prepared for the breaker issue. I found that with my kx3 and a wonderwand wonder loop on my kitchen table, that with 10 watts I can do some jt65 and wspr on 20m without popping the breakers. But my success has been limited and not worthwhile. I?ve been a remotehamradio user for almost a year now, but I don?t have much interest in ssb or cw these days. Remotehamradio does have a beta test going on for ?logging? software such as ham radio deluxe. I?ve tried jt65 over it, but haven?t had consistent results and get disconnected or have HRD lock up. I?ve been avoiding buying a K3/0 for some time, just because I didn?t want to spend the money on a ?non radio? device. But if I?m going to get back on jt65, I think its my best option. Brian KA7KDX On 5/30/15, 2:13 PM, "ab2tc" wrote: >Hi, > >Sorry, I don't have a K3/0, but your problem certainly caught my >interest. I >had never heard of AFCI breakers before, but a quick Google search got me >quickly reeducated and my eyes glazed over. Wow, these RF prone devices >have >been mandatory since 1999! Another federal mandate to protect people >against >their own stupidity (not checking their power cords for fraying and other >damage). > >AB2TC - Knut > > >KA7KDX wrote >> Does anyone have K3/0 they want to part with? I'm stuck in apartment, >>I've >> tried everything from wires to magnetic loops. My problem is not getting >> out, its AFCI breakers. Any rf out and they pop (including the >>apartments >> around me.) >> >> So if anyone has one they want to part with, let me know >> >> Brian >> KA7KDX >> brians at fl240.com > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Experiences-tp7603508p76036 >26.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to brians at fl240.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat May 30 17:01:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 17:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <556A252D.4040508@embarqmail.com> I recall reading something in an ARRL publication or newsletter that at least one manufacturer of AFCI breakers has addressed and corrected the problem of RF susceptibility. That company is Eaton. It is a bummer that consumers must suffer from products that do not have sufficient RF immunity. If all manufacturers would 'step up to the plate' and accept that we live in a world where RF is present, often in strong fields, we would not have a problem. Hams are not the only cause of RF problems - think of the problems encountered by those who reside near broadcast stations. RF fields are emitted by police, fire and other emergency service transmitters. IMHO, more manufacturers must be willing to design products that can withstand reasonable RF fields. Of course, most consumers do not understand that, and the ham "is to blame". There was a parallel back in the 1950s and 1960s with television interference when many TVs were designed with front ends and IF chains that would pick up RF on most any frequency, much to the consumer's dismay and blame placed on the ham, even if his transmissions were clean of harmonics. It just about drove operation on 15 meters off the air because many TV sets used a 21 MHz IF that was 'wide open' for interference. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/30/2015 4:13 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I don't have a K3/0, but your problem certainly caught my interest. I > had never heard of AFCI breakers before, but a quick Google search got me > quickly reeducated and my eyes glazed over. Wow, these RF prone devices have > been mandatory since 1999! From kf0ur at radins.us Sat May 30 17:17:30 2015 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 14:17:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar with Side KX end panels Message-ID: <1433020650839-7603629.post@n2.nabble.com> Greetings, We had some questions whether the new SideKar for the KX3 will fit on the KX3 with the GEMS Side KX panels installed. The answer is YES. The Side KX panels do not have to be removed. I posted a few pics in the Yahoo user group photo albums with the SideKar mounted along with the Side KX so you can see for yourself. 73, Shel KF0UR -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/QRPworks-SideKar-with-Side-KX-end-panels-tp7603629.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Sat May 30 18:03:22 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 23:03:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <556A252D.4040508@embarqmail.com> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com><1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> <556A252D.4040508@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <36E0818297F345D8B0E9E6EB637E925C@Paramount> Fortunately these devices are not mandated in the UK. Whilst the prevention of fires is laudable, ISTM that the regulators have jumped the gun and insisted on the use of a device that is still under development. Reading the WIKI on AFCI breakers, where lightning nuisance trips occur, they are under-developed "devices of the devil"! Perhaps it's time that litigation took place, along the lines of: "It was late at night and there was an electrical storm which caused an AFCI to trip, which resulted in the lights failing. My aging mother fell down the stairs in the dark and broke her collar bone, for which I hold you fully responsible"!!! It would seem that it is still not possible to fix 'stupid'! 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? I recall reading something in an ARRL publication or newsletter that at least one manufacturer of AFCI breakers has addressed and corrected the problem of RF susceptibility. That company is Eaton. It is a bummer that consumers must suffer from products that do not have sufficient RF immunity. If all manufacturers would 'step up to the plate' and accept that we live in a world where RF is present, often in strong fields, we would not have a problem. Hams are not the only cause of RF problems - think of the problems encountered by those who reside near broadcast stations. RF fields are emitted by police, fire and other emergency service transmitters. IMHO, more manufacturers must be willing to design products that can withstand reasonable RF fields. Of course, most consumers do not understand that, and the ham "is to blame". There was a parallel back in the 1950s and 1960s with television interference when many TVs were designed with front ends and IF chains that would pick up RF on most any frequency, much to the consumer's dismay and blame placed on the ham, even if his transmissions were clean of harmonics. It just about drove operation on 15 meters off the air because many TV sets used a 21 MHz IF that was 'wide open' for interference. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/30/2015 4:13 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I don't have a K3/0, but your problem certainly caught my interest. > I > had never heard of AFCI breakers before, but a quick Google search got me > quickly reeducated and my eyes glazed over. Wow, these RF prone devices > have > been mandatory since 1999! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk From brians at fl240.com Sat May 30 18:08:56 2015 From: brians at fl240.com (Brian Sheets) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 22:08:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? In-Reply-To: <36E0818297F345D8B0E9E6EB637E925C@Paramount> References: <1432643978736-7603508.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433012176374-7603625.post@n2.nabble.com> <1433016790734-7603626.post@n2.nabble.com> <556A252D.4040508@embarqmail.com> <36E0818297F345D8B0E9E6EB637E925C@Paramount> Message-ID: I hope to not live in an apartment that long :) On 5/30/15, 4:03 PM, "G4GNX" wrote: >Fortunately these devices are not mandated in the UK. > >Whilst the prevention of fires is laudable, ISTM that the regulators have >jumped the gun and insisted on the use of a device that is still under >development. > >Reading the WIKI on AFCI breakers, where lightning nuisance trips occur, >they are under-developed "devices of the devil"! > >Perhaps it's time that litigation took place, along the lines of: "It was >late at night and there was an electrical storm which caused an AFCI to >trip, which resulted in the lights failing. My aging mother fell down the >stairs in the dark and broke her collar bone, for which I hold you fully >responsible"!!! > >It would seem that it is still not possible to fix 'stupid'! > >73, > >Alan. G4GNX > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm >Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:01 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini - Experiences? > >I recall reading something in an ARRL publication or newsletter that at >least one manufacturer of AFCI breakers has addressed and corrected the >problem of RF susceptibility. That company is Eaton. > >It is a bummer that consumers must suffer from products that do not have >sufficient RF immunity. If all manufacturers would 'step up to the >plate' and accept that we live in a world where RF is present, often in >strong fields, we would not have a problem. Hams are not the only cause >of RF problems - think of the problems encountered by those who reside >near broadcast stations. RF fields are emitted by police, fire and >other emergency service transmitters. >IMHO, more manufacturers must be willing to design products that can >withstand reasonable RF fields. Of course, most consumers do not >understand that, and the ham "is to blame". There was a parallel back >in the 1950s and 1960s with television interference when many TVs were >designed with front ends and IF chains that would pick up RF on most any >frequency, much to the consumer's dismay and blame placed on the ham, >even if his transmissions were clean of harmonics. >It just about drove operation on 15 meters off the air because many TV >sets used a 21 MHz IF that was 'wide open' for interference. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 5/30/2015 4:13 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Sorry, I don't have a K3/0, but your problem certainly caught my >>interest. >> I >> had never heard of AFCI breakers before, but a quick Google search got >>me >> quickly reeducated and my eyes glazed over. Wow, these RF prone devices >> have >> been mandatory since 1999! > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to brians at fl240.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat May 30 18:58:36 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 18:58:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients In-Reply-To: <5568BA14.1070601@subich.com> References: <1254079815095-3721951.post@n2.nabble.com> <20090927203317081.VXVJ19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <20090927235708718.IZV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> <1254174962244-3732143.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432776738749-7603573.post@n2.nabble.com> <1432864429735-7603596.post@n2.nabble.com> <5567CE2A.4070701@subich.com> <005201d09a04$e1b5d040$a52170c0$@cs.com> <55685CDD.7020609@subich.com> <00bb01d09a18$5ae0f810$10a2e830$@cs.com> <55687C93.5070709@subich.com> <00ff01d09a26$a8e3f1d0$faabd570$@cs.com> <5568BA14.1070601@subich.com> Message-ID: <026e01d09b2c$29740500$7c5c0f00$@cs.com> Today I put the old Bird wattmeter in line and found that the average power out of the K3 does *indeed* drop down and become somewhat erratic in fsk441 mode. As noted previously the PEP output stays the same although my watt meter shows some erratic behavior. So my wattmeter is telling the truth. And my K3 has a problem. (I tried different computers and sound cards - all the same). The power fold back is in FSK441 and a similar mode called JTMS. Modes that vary the tone more slowly - JT65 and JT6M - do not cause the same large power drop (minor fluctuations in power only). To use an separate receiver I had to switch from 50 MHz to 28 MHz and there I eventually found that if I run <12 watts (final amp not switched in) then the PEP/Average is quite near 1:1 (or 10:10). Its only when I go to a power level where the final is required, that I get this strange effect. I get quite a high PEP/Average ratio on voice too, but it does not sound bad ... The final still produces plenty of power, so it is not fried. I went through and repeated the transmitter gain calibration - to no effect. So I guess I am going to contact Elecraft on Monday. 73 Ken -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 3:12 PM To: Ken; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FSK power transients > But I stand corrected on the average. I was computing an average of > the crest, not the effective value of the wave. Since these are sine > waves, the effective value is 0.707 of the crest. Of course, when the > crest value is varying over the period under consideration, you might > want to average the crests and then multiply by 0.707, which is kind > of what I was doing. That is not the definition of peak to average in the RF domain. For a CW (sine wave modulation) signal, the peak to average ratio is 1:1 or 0 dB. Since FSK (specifically, in this case FSK-441 - which is 4FSK) is a sequence of sine waves, the theoretical peak to average ratio is 0 dB. Now, if you introduce AM into the FSK modulation, e.g., some tone or tones have different levels, the crest factor departs from 0 dB. In this case, Peak Power (or PEP) is the maximum average peak (CW) case and "average power" is the longer term average of the peak power. In a linear system, PEP is the CW (single tone) power while average power - per FCC definition is the value to which a capacitor would charge based on multiple peaks (or the average of the peaks of the modulation). For 4FSK where three of the 4 tones were 1.4 V Peak (1.0 V RMS) while the fourth tone was 1.12V (0.8 V RMS), the average voltage would be: (3 * 1.4 + 1.12)/4 or 1.33 V Peak. The Peak voltage is the highest of the four tones or 1.4 V. Thus the Peak to average ration for a 4FSK signal with one tone at 80% of the other three would 1.4/1.33 - or 0.45 dB. I'd strongly suggest you get an audio oscillator with a known, stable output level, pick one tone - either 1323 or 1764 Hz - and run it into you K3, set the mic gain to "4 bars of ALC" and measure the CW output power at that frequency. Then, without changing the audio level or mic gain, measure the CW level of your K3 at 882, 1323, 1764 and 2205 Hz. My guess is that you will find that one tone or another produces significantly less power than the others - probably because of a filter alignment or ripple issue. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From daraymond at iowatelecom.net Sat May 30 19:43:59 2015 From: daraymond at iowatelecom.net (David Raymond) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 18:43:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY Message-ID: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> I'm running an older borrowed K3 to get various I/O issues worked out while awaiting arrival of my K3S. I am interfacing the K3 into an older tube amp with large open frame relays for antenna IN and OUT. The maximum TX DELAY limit of 20 ms on the borrowed K3 is not enough to avoid hot switching the amp output relay contacts. I had the delay in my old FT1000MP set for 30 ms which was adequate with some margin (it had a max delay of 40 ms I believe). Are there any options in newer K3's for more than 20 ms of TX DELAY? Hopefully the K3S will have more than 20 ms or my options for QRO are QRT. . hi. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS From dave at onitap.com Sat May 30 20:38:37 2015 From: dave at onitap.com (David Patino) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 00:38:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone selling a KXPA100? Message-ID: <3d1f9ba44cb74c65a49b337a80678d79@MBX10B-IAD3.mex06.mlsrvr.com> I've been wanting to pick one of these up for a while, but didn't have the means. Have seen several of these listed for sale lately, but had to wait for a bonus check. Just curious if anyone has one they're wanting to sell before I order straight from Elecraft. 73's Dave N9PBJ From phils at riousa.com Sat May 30 20:53:22 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 17:53:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net tomorrow Message-ID: The weekly SSB net meets Sunday at 1800z on 14.3035 MHz. I will be NCS from Oregon. Join us. 73, Phil, NS7P Sent from my iPad From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat May 30 23:09:18 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 20:09:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3: VFO Cursors in WF Message-ID: <556A7B5E.3040103@foothill.net> Would there be any support for a P3 option to display the VFO cursors in the waterfall area? The WF is mainly what I watch, I can see signals there that I'd never find in the spectrum display [and sometimes can't hear either :-)]. Admittedly mainly in contests, I will find a trace in the WF area, I'll try and put the VFO over it, I usually miss a bit if he's gone for a few moments, and with 150 or 200 Hz BW, I'm usually not close enough to hear him when he comes back. FWIW: I use the monochrome waterfall option, I don't have any idea how this might play out for folks with normal color vision ... could be way off base with this idea. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From repair at willcoele.com Sat May 30 23:25:21 2015 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 20:25:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High Level Digital noise Message-ID: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> While transmitting, my K3 developed a high level noise. During SSB with the mic level set at 25, there's 30 watts output power. It sounds like digital noise. It stops when the mic level is set to zero. There no microphone connected and I just down loaded the latest firmware but that didn't help. It happens on all bands and while transmitting into Bird 200 watt attenuating load. With an additional 20db of attenuation, and a total of 50 db, I checked the TX output on my spectrum analyzer. The spectrum is clean at all TX levels. Jack WA9FVP Willco Electronics. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-High-Level-Digital-noise-tp7603637.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 31 00:21:36 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 21:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High Level Digital noise In-Reply-To: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <556A8C50.4000403@foothill.net> I'd suggest calling support on Mon AM. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/30/2015 8:25 PM, wa9fvp wrote: > While transmitting, my K3 developed a high level noise. During SSB with the > mic level set at 25, there's 30 watts output power. It sounds like digital > noise. It stops when the mic level is set to zero. There no microphone > connected and I just down loaded the latest firmware but that didn't help. > It happens on all bands and while transmitting into Bird 200 watt > attenuating load. With an additional 20db of attenuation, and a total of 50 > db, I checked the TX output on my spectrum analyzer. The spectrum is clean > at all TX levels. > > Jack WA9FVP > Willco Electronics. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun May 31 00:21:51 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 00:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> Message-ID: Expecting a transceiver to somehow neutralize all amp obsolescence is putting the burden where it doesn't belong. And it really can't come close to doing the entire job. Existing mod kits from Harbach, W7RY, etc, can convert many older amps internally (all the way back to SB200 SB220) to *excellent* modern status, QSK, modern interface voltages and behavior, good for years of slick operating to come. Array Solutions has an excellent external QSK device, for those who don't want to tackle an internal mod. You didn't say which specific amp with slow frame relays. Many (most?) of these were designed back when the expectation was something like a footswitch or a toggle switch would be used to place the shack in transmit mode. I own an FT1000MP. On CW (only) it has a first in first out bucket brigade delay (menu 7-4 keyer break-in time) which allows it to apply T/R assert to the amp and allow continuously delayed CW up to 30 ms to be transmitted from the MP. With the clunkier amps actually needing the max 30 ms delay like my older AL1200, you had to listen to the input monitor on the MP if you were sending with a key. Listening to the actually sent signal would is so divergent from physical input at 30 ms that many simply can not send CW with it. But it doesn't fix the parallel problem on SSB. Even if the MP's delay was working OK for CW, there is no delay for SSB. This would require a continuous bucket brigade voice delay with sufficient fidelity. That isn't impossible, but a lot more expensive and complex than a faster relay. And it STILL does NOT fix all the issues of clunk involved. This includes the recovery time from T back to R so slow that in contests often the first baud or two of a reply would be lost while the relay is waiting for the contacts to restore the RX path through the amp, which now only has the spring to propel points to normally closed state. IMHO to put it bluntly, any amp relay with T/R duties that won't close in 8 ms is obsolete and needs to be replaced by something modern. The aftermarket mod boards will modify old tube amps for QSK, low voltage low current T/R keying (soft key), step start power-on etc. Amps modified with current QSK circuitry will switch quickly enough to support VOX on SSB. All the Ameritron amps have superior aftermarket QSK mods available, in addition to the manufacturer's own QSK option. W2CS helped me QSK my AL1200 with the same circuit he used to upgrade his SB220. This was before the current crop of excellent mods were available. No excuses. 73, Guy K2AV On Saturday, May 30, 2015, David Raymond wrote: > > I'm running an older borrowed K3 to get various I/O issues worked out while awaiting arrival of my K3S. I am interfacing the K3 into an older tube amp with large open frame relays for antenna IN and OUT. The maximum TX DELAY limit of 20 ms on the borrowed K3 is not enough to avoid hot switching the amp output relay contacts. I had the delay in my old FT1000MP set for 30 ms which was adequate with some margin (it had a max delay of 40 ms I believe). Are there any options in newer K3's for more than 20 ms of TX DELAY? Hopefully the K3S will have more than 20 ms or my options for QRO are QRT. . hi. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun May 31 00:30:59 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 00:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High Level Digital noise In-Reply-To: <556A8C50.4000403@foothill.net> References: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> <556A8C50.4000403@foothill.net> Message-ID: Usually this kind of thing is external to the K3, very often mechanical. Often happens when something external is rearranged. Remove *everything* connected to the K3 except the power and a dummy load. Make sure the power voltage is normal. See what you get then. If you still have noise, put an AC voltmeter across the DC power leads. Come back with the results. 73, Guy K2AV --------------------- While transmitting, my K3 developed a high level noise. During SSB with the mic level set at 25, there's 30 watts output power. It sounds like digital noise. It stops when the mic level is set to zero. There no microphone connected and I just down loaded the latest firmware but that didn't help. It happens on all bands and while transmitting into Bird 200 watt attenuating load. With an additional 20db of attenuation, and a total of 50 db, I checked the TX output on my spectrum analyzer. The spectrum is clean at all TX levels. Jack WA9FVP Willco Electronics. From fptownsend at earthlink.net Sun May 31 01:40:32 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 22:40:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] P3: VFO Cursors in WF Message-ID: <4384735.1433050832569.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Sounds like a great idea. That would be a great aid for teaching on the GOTA station. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Fred Jensen >Sent: May 30, 2015 8:09 PM >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: [Elecraft] P3: VFO Cursors in WF > >Would there be any support for a P3 option to display the VFO cursors in >the waterfall area? The WF is mainly what I watch, I can see signals >there that I'd never find in the spectrum display [and sometimes can't >hear either :-)]. Admittedly mainly in contests, I will find a trace in >the WF area, I'll try and put the VFO over it, I usually miss a bit if >he's gone for a few moments, and with 150 or 200 Hz BW, I'm usually not >close enough to hear him when he comes back. > >FWIW: I use the monochrome waterfall option, I don't have any idea how >this might play out for folks with normal color vision ... could be way >off base with this idea. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >- Northern California Contest Club >- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >- www.cqp.org >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun May 31 02:50:43 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:50:43 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <98506808-A653-4812-B99A-136D20187176@gmail.com> Agreed. With a K3 you don't need any special sequencing -- just replace the relay with a reed relay for input and a vacuum relay for output (or two vacuum relays). It is much more pleasant even if you don't use QSK or VOX. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On May 31, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Expecting a transceiver to somehow neutralize all amp obsolescence is > putting the burden where it doesn't belong. And it really can't come > close to doing the entire job. > > Existing mod kits from Harbach, W7RY, etc, can convert many older amps > internally (all the way back to SB200 SB220) to *excellent* modern > status, QSK, modern interface voltages and behavior, good for years of > slick operating to come. Array Solutions has an excellent external QSK > device, for those who don't want to tackle an internal mod. > > You didn't say which specific amp with slow frame relays. Many (most?) > of these were designed back when the expectation was something like a > footswitch or a toggle switch would be used to place the shack in > transmit mode. > > I own an FT1000MP. On CW (only) it has a first in first out bucket > brigade delay (menu 7-4 keyer break-in time) which allows it to apply > T/R assert to the amp and allow continuously delayed CW up to 30 ms to > be transmitted from the MP. With the clunkier amps actually needing > the max 30 ms delay like my older AL1200, you had to listen to the > input monitor on the MP if you were sending with a key. Listening to > the actually sent signal would is so divergent from physical input at > 30 ms that many simply can not send CW with it. > > But it doesn't fix the parallel problem on SSB. > > Even if the MP's delay was working OK for CW, there is no delay for > SSB. This would require a continuous bucket brigade voice delay with > sufficient fidelity. That isn't impossible, but a lot more expensive > and complex than a faster relay. And it STILL does NOT fix all the > issues of clunk involved. This includes the recovery time from T back > to R so slow that in contests often the first baud or two of a reply > would be lost while the relay is waiting for the contacts to restore > the RX path through the amp, which now only has the spring to propel > points to normally closed state. > > IMHO to put it bluntly, any amp relay with T/R duties that won't close > in 8 ms is obsolete and needs to be replaced by something modern. > > The aftermarket mod boards will modify old tube amps for QSK, low > voltage low current T/R keying (soft key), step start power-on etc. > Amps modified with current QSK circuitry will switch quickly enough to > support VOX on SSB. All the Ameritron amps have superior aftermarket > QSK mods available, in addition to the manufacturer's own QSK option. > > W2CS helped me QSK my AL1200 with the same circuit he used to upgrade > his SB220. This was before the current crop of excellent mods were > available. No excuses. > > 73, Guy K2AV > >> On Saturday, May 30, 2015, David Raymond wrote: >> >> I'm running an older borrowed K3 to get various I/O issues worked out while awaiting arrival of my K3S. I am interfacing the K3 into an older tube amp with large open frame relays for antenna IN and OUT. The maximum TX DELAY limit of 20 ms on the borrowed K3 is not enough to avoid hot switching the amp output relay contacts. I had the delay in my old FT1000MP set for 30 ms which was adequate with some margin (it had a max delay of 40 ms I believe). Are there any options in newer K3's for more than 20 ms of TX DELAY? Hopefully the K3S will have more than 20 ms or my options for QRO are QRT. . hi. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From kladit at arcor.de Sun May 31 04:05:25 2015 From: kladit at arcor.de (Klaus Dittrich) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 08:05:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B preamp or preamps? K3BPF mods questions. Message-ID: <556AC0C5.2070306@df1tl.local.here> Does the KXV3B include a second preamplifier for the subreceiver or just one preamp for the main receiver? Is the antenna routing the same as before? If existent, can one use the preamplifier for the subreceiver together with the aux input of the subreceiver? Is the antenna routing the same as before or are there any differences now? When does Elecraft publish the modifications for the K3BPF to extend the frequency range down to 100 kHz? Where are these noise generating 9V regulators located? High res photos for the changes avaliable? Is adding simple capacitor across the 9V line really enough to bring the noise down? (There are low noise regulators available these days.) Maybe one of the testers of the promised modifications can come out with some information!? -- 73, Klaus, DF1TL From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun May 31 04:34:45 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 01:34:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <556AC7A5.4040606@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,5/30/2015 9:21 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > IMHO to put it bluntly, any amp relay with T/R duties that won't close > in 8 ms is obsolete and needs to be replaced by something modern. Yep. And it's more than modern, it's CHEAP. That stuff from the MS company are all el cheapo grande. My Ten Tec Titans and Hercules amps, designed in the early 80s (the Titans by K4XU, I learned at Visalia this year), use quality vacuum relays and are VERY happy with 8 msec. Thank you, Dick, and thank you to the original Ten Tec gang, especially Al Kahn, K4FW, the true predecessor to Elecraft as a class act! Sadly, they're all SK. Al was one of the two founders of ElectroVoice, another very high class US company when they ran it. 73, Jim K9YC From edauer at law.du.edu Sun May 31 06:37:12 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:37:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Wireless wireless Message-ID: <2B148823-2479-4339-89A4-18BE5253A05A@law.du.edu> One of the costs of a highly integrated system like the K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 is the mess of cabling used to pass information among the components. It all seems so ? how should I put this ? so 20th century. My desktop computer system with its wireless mouse and wireless keyboard and wireless remote PP slide manager is slicker in that regard than my radio (f/k/a a wireless). Perhaps a bluetooth-like system is in store for us in the mythical K4. But in the meantime, I can envision small dongles that would plug into every socket on each of the existing black boxes (other than the HF RF coax, maybe) to convert all of the I/O into 800 Mhz or whatever . . . . Is possible? Has anyone done it? Ted, KN1CBR From lists at subich.com Sun May 31 08:21:44 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 08:21:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: <98506808-A653-4812-B99A-136D20187176@gmail.com> References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> <98506808-A653-4812-B99A-136D20187176@gmail.com> Message-ID: <556AFCD8.4020005@subich.com> Look at W8ZR's excellent article in the current issue of QST. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-31 2:50 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Agreed. With a K3 you don't need any special sequencing -- just replace the relay with a reed relay for input and a vacuum relay for output (or two vacuum relays). It is much more pleasant even if you don't use QSK or VOX. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On May 31, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> >> Expecting a transceiver to somehow neutralize all amp obsolescence is >> putting the burden where it doesn't belong. And it really can't come >> close to doing the entire job. >> >> Existing mod kits from Harbach, W7RY, etc, can convert many older amps >> internally (all the way back to SB200 SB220) to *excellent* modern >> status, QSK, modern interface voltages and behavior, good for years of >> slick operating to come. Array Solutions has an excellent external QSK >> device, for those who don't want to tackle an internal mod. >> >> You didn't say which specific amp with slow frame relays. Many (most?) >> of these were designed back when the expectation was something like a >> footswitch or a toggle switch would be used to place the shack in >> transmit mode. >> >> I own an FT1000MP. On CW (only) it has a first in first out bucket >> brigade delay (menu 7-4 keyer break-in time) which allows it to apply >> T/R assert to the amp and allow continuously delayed CW up to 30 ms to >> be transmitted from the MP. With the clunkier amps actually needing >> the max 30 ms delay like my older AL1200, you had to listen to the >> input monitor on the MP if you were sending with a key. Listening to >> the actually sent signal would is so divergent from physical input at >> 30 ms that many simply can not send CW with it. >> >> But it doesn't fix the parallel problem on SSB. >> >> Even if the MP's delay was working OK for CW, there is no delay for >> SSB. This would require a continuous bucket brigade voice delay with >> sufficient fidelity. That isn't impossible, but a lot more expensive >> and complex than a faster relay. And it STILL does NOT fix all the >> issues of clunk involved. This includes the recovery time from T back >> to R so slow that in contests often the first baud or two of a reply >> would be lost while the relay is waiting for the contacts to restore >> the RX path through the amp, which now only has the spring to propel >> points to normally closed state. >> >> IMHO to put it bluntly, any amp relay with T/R duties that won't close >> in 8 ms is obsolete and needs to be replaced by something modern. >> >> The aftermarket mod boards will modify old tube amps for QSK, low >> voltage low current T/R keying (soft key), step start power-on etc. >> Amps modified with current QSK circuitry will switch quickly enough to >> support VOX on SSB. All the Ameritron amps have superior aftermarket >> QSK mods available, in addition to the manufacturer's own QSK option. >> >> W2CS helped me QSK my AL1200 with the same circuit he used to upgrade >> his SB220. This was before the current crop of excellent mods were >> available. No excuses. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV >> >>> On Saturday, May 30, 2015, David Raymond wrote: >>> >>> I'm running an older borrowed K3 to get various I/O issues worked out while awaiting arrival of my K3S. I am interfacing the K3 into an older tube amp with large open frame relays for antenna IN and OUT. The maximum TX DELAY limit of 20 ms on the borrowed K3 is not enough to avoid hot switching the amp output relay contacts. I had the delay in my old FT1000MP set for 30 ms which was adequate with some margin (it had a max delay of 40 ms I believe). Are there any options in newer K3's for more than 20 ms of TX DELAY? Hopefully the K3S will have more than 20 ms or my options for QRO are QRT. . hi. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From repair at willcoele.com Sun May 31 08:58:31 2015 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 05:58:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High Level Digital noise In-Reply-To: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1433077111231-7603647.post@n2.nabble.com> The only thing connected was the bird load and the DC power. I think the problem is in the A to D or D to A chip or are they integrated in the DSP chip? I assume that there's a mic amp in front of the A to D. It could cause noise problems. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-High-Level-Digital-noise-tp7603637p7603647.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From repair at willcoele.com Sun May 31 10:04:04 2015 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 07:04:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 High Level Digital noise In-Reply-To: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1433042721668-7603637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1433081044243-7603648.post@n2.nabble.com> It's early Sunday morning and looking on my iPad at the K3 schematics something was wrong. It appears that there are missing pages. I downloaded the a new copy and was able to view the DSP schematic pages. There are separate codacs and A to D/ D to A converters. There's also a mic amp. Later today I'll make an attempt to trouble shoot the problem. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-High-Level-Digital-noise-tp7603637p7603648.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sun May 31 10:07:52 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:07:52 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> Message-ID: <001701d09bab$344a93c0$9cdfbb40$@co.uk> >I'm running an older borrowed K3 to get various I/O issues worked out >while awaiting arrival of my K3S. I am interfacing the K3 into an older tube >amp with large open frame relays for antenna IN and OUT. The maximum >TX DELAY limit of 20 ms on the borrowed K3 is not enough to avoid hot >switching the amp output relay contacts. I had the delay in my old >FT1000MP set for 30 ms which was adequate with some margin (it had a >max delay of 40 ms I believe). Are there any options in newer K3's for >more than 20 ms of TX DELAY? Hopefully the K3S will have more than 20 >ms or my options for QRO are QRT. . hi. 73. . . Dave, W0FLS If I remember correctly, Wayne said that 20ms was as far as he could stretch the TX delay without major changes in the firmware. There is no particular reason to expect that to have changed in the K3S. Also, K2AV is right in saying that one shouldn't expect a modern transceiver to neutralize all the problems of the older generation of amplifiers. The cure for that is to update the amplifier to modern standards. However, it isn't always necessary to modify the amplifier for full QSK if you don't personally require that facility. In some amplifiers, there is also a simpler solution that will probably work with the K3 in non-QSK modes. The circuit referenced below will reduce the switching time of a typical open-frame relay by roughly 50%, bringing the typical 30ms delay down to about 15ms which the K3 can handle. In practice, you would simply set TX DLY in the K3 to 20ms, allowing a little extra time for contact bounce. As well as speeding up the RF changeover relays, the circuit also updates the amplifier's PTT interface to the modern "industry standard" of +12V at a few milliamps. The circuit is fully described in the referenced magazine article (click "April 2002"). 13 years on from the original data of publication, it has earned a good track record. Obviously such a simple circuit cannot magically provide full QSK with slow open-frame relays, but for "the rest of us" it can be a very useful update for older HF amplifiers. It also works well with coaxial relays for VHF. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Sun May 31 12:09:53 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:09:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX delay Message-ID: Perhaps you could use a sequencer such as the DX Engineering TVS-1 to give you more delay time. I recently bought one to sequence my DXE NCC-1, a receive antenna preamp, my K3 and my KPA500. While I haven't yet figured out how to set the correct delay times for everything it appears to be a well-built unit. Once we finish moving here I'll get back to sorting it out. Good luck and I hope my suggestion helps. (SSB Electronic also makes fine sequencers but they are more pricy than DXE, IIRC). 73, Jeff, NH7RO From kevinr at coho.net Sun May 31 12:45:31 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:45:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <556B3AAB.3020006@coho.net> Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From ho13dave at gmail.com Sun May 31 13:00:36 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 12:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: <556AFCD8.4020005@subich.com> References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> <98506808-A653-4812-B99A-136D20187176@gmail.com> <556AFCD8.4020005@subich.com> Message-ID: <556B3E34.4000706@gmail.com> One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that the WinKeyer has a separate PTT out that has a programmable delay before initiating the CW. This will allow the needed delay without affect the sent CW in any way. Use one here, works well. Used the scope to measure the actual settling time of the open frame relays (about 30 mS is needed to full settle). Measured the K2/K3 delay then added enough with the WinKeyer to insure no hot switching. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 5/31/15 7:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Look at W8ZR's excellent article in the current issue of QST. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-05-31 2:50 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> Agreed. With a K3 you don't need any special sequencing -- just >> replace the relay with a reed relay for input and a vacuum relay for >> output (or two vacuum relays). It is much more pleasant even if you >> don't use QSK or VOX. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> From lists at subich.com Sun May 31 13:17:45 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX DELAY In-Reply-To: <556B3E34.4000706@gmail.com> References: <76DAA347EA5D425ABD123D2118EE2B5C@radiocomputer> <98506808-A653-4812-B99A-136D20187176@gmail.com> <556AFCD8.4020005@subich.com> <556B3E34.4000706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <556B4239.6070602@subich.com> On 2015-05-31 1:00 PM, dave wrote:> > One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that the WinKeyer has > a separate PTT out that has a programmable delay before initiating > the CW. Unfortunately, that delay only works on CW - there is still no solution for SSB VOX or data modes like RTTY where the rig starts to make RF as soon as PTT is closed. The solution is still to update the amplifier with fast relays like the article by W8ZR. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-05-31 1:00 PM, dave wrote: > > One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that the WinKeyer has a > separate PTT out that has a programmable delay before initiating the CW. > This will allow the needed delay without affect the sent CW in any way. > Use one here, works well. > > Used the scope to measure the actual settling time of the open frame > relays (about 30 mS is needed to full settle). Measured the K2/K3 delay > then added enough with the WinKeyer to insure no hot switching. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 5/31/15 7:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Look at W8ZR's excellent article in the current issue of QST. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-05-31 2:50 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >>> Agreed. With a K3 you don't need any special sequencing -- just >>> replace the relay with a reed relay for input and a vacuum relay for >>> output (or two vacuum relays). It is much more pleasant even if you >>> don't use QSK or VOX. >>> >>> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun May 31 16:50:49 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:50:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Official word needed (:-) Message-ID: Have noted some confusion on the reflector.... Should I use an upper or lower case "S" when embroidering items for the "new" K3s / K3S ? 73 Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com From fptownsend at earthlink.net Sun May 31 17:00:40 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:00:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Official word needed (:-) Message-ID: <27206826.1433106040907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I think Wayne has already explained it should always be uppercase. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- >From: Rose >Sent: May 31, 2015 1:50 PM >To: Wayne Burdick , Elecraft Reflector , Eric Swartz >Subject: [Elecraft] Official word needed (:-) > >Have noted some confusion on the reflector.... > >Should I use an upper or lower case "S" when embroidering items for the >"new" K3s / K3S ? > >73 > >Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun May 31 17:01:57 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:01:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3s question In-Reply-To: <07e301d09be4$29f70e10$7de52a30$@gmail.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> <07e301d09be4$29f70e10$7de52a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the embroidery software. (:-) Thanks! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sun May 31 17:02:33 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 17:02:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s question In-Reply-To: <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <556B76E9.6090202@gmail.com> Here you go, Rose. From the horse's mouth, sort of... :) 73, Scott, N9AA On 5/19/15 11:08 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Correct. And it's "K3S", not "K3s" :) > > Wayne > N6KR > > > From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Sun May 31 17:02:33 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 22:02:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Official word needed (:-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <382A1BCE-3AFC-4FF0-95C5-B0B21041B83C@Alphadene.co.uk> I believe from previous mail, it?s actually a small UPPERCASE S - so I?d say an upper case one, unless you can do small caps. you might try a smaller point size if you can. Nice to a post from you Rose, I do hope your feeling better. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- Whales have calves, Cats have kittens, Bears have cubs, Bats have bittens, Swans have cygnets, Seals have puppies, But guppies just have little guppies. - Ogden Nash (1902-1971) > On 31 May 2015, at 21:50, Rose wrote: > > Have noted some confusion on the reflector.... > > Should I use an upper or lower case "S" when embroidering items for the > "new" K3s / K3S ? > > 73 > > Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From bill at wjschmidt.com Sun May 31 17:34:50 2015 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 16:34:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Official word needed (:-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne should be able to tell you the font point reduction for the "S". Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill at wjschmidt.com > On May 31, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Rose wrote: > > Have noted some confusion on the reflector.... > > Should I use an upper or lower case "S" when embroidering items for the > "new" K3s / K3S ? > > 73 > > Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com From hwhite1 at maine.rr.com Sun May 31 19:17:45 2015 From: hwhite1 at maine.rr.com (Harry White) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 19:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3s question In-Reply-To: References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> <07e301d09be4$29f70e10$7de52a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c201d09bf8$00f698a0$02e3c9e0$@maine.rr.com> Actually, Wayne answered the question on May 14th, the day the K3S was announced: Generally it's supposed to be "K3S" (capital). Please use that in email. However, on the radio itself, and in the owner's manual (etc.) we use a slightly smaller capital "S". To be specific, about 85% of a full-height capital. This just seemed like the right thing to do. Don't get me started on branding and graphic design.... I'm looking forward to seeing a blog post with the official "S" scaling :) 73, Wayne N6KR Just trying to be accurate. Harry K1RSA -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rose Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:02 PM To: Mike Flowers; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3s question The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the embroidery software. (:-) Thanks! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hwhite1 at maine.rr.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun May 31 23:56:50 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 20:56:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3s question In-Reply-To: References: <14d54807bd2-646b-26d4e@webprd-m38.mail.aol.com> <555571D0.1010109@embarqmail.com> <39B58BB2-1CE7-4C14-9850-CB228AA48497@mchsi.com> <88D04C31-FB3A-4FCB-9FD6-776E2E8136EC@elecraft.com> <001e01d091ef$3cf0ce10$b6d26a30$@gmail.com> <70A4C7C1-11D5-4B18-85E5-B825EABFD659@elecraft.com> <6ED4B745-8FE1-40AA-93BE-F768EA9BD296@elecraft.com> <07e301d09be4$29f70e10$7de52a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <556BD802.7040501@foothill.net> You do this with software?? I had visions of a Betsy Ross sitting in her parlor doing my K2 case by hand. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 5/31/2015 2:01 PM, Rose wrote: > The question has already been answered and "K3S" is now programmed into the > embroidery software. (:-)