[Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency

[David Cole]

OMG Joe!  You are flat wrong here!

We all need to live together, this sort of thing is going to happen, so
get used to it.  I have heard JTers lower than the allotted 2 KHZ they
have as a suggested frequency, and I don't consider them causing
intentional QRM, I consider them correctly using the spectrum allowed to
them.  I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
make me an intentional QRMer?  

All of the digital subbands are suggested, not mandated, as you know.
You have a few impolite people transmitting on top of each other, mode
does not matter!  That's all it is, impolite people not listening
improper to transmitting.

Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on it
within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and transmit
there does not make me an intentional QRMer...  It makes me an efficient
user of spectrum space.

I try and not do this of course, but to be honest during a contest if no
one is there and the entire RTTY sub bands are full, I will slide into
the JT subband, assuming there is a clear 200 hz., and I am not next to
someone.  If I see that it is getting crowded in the JT bands, I'll
slide back out to leave some room for them...  None of this makes me an
intentional QRMer.  It makes me a polite used of the spectrum.  

We are going to have to get away from all of the "this mode goes here,
and that modes goes there" mindsets...  It wastes spectrum, as evidenced
by your reaction to RTTY in the JT sub bands.  THis is just like putting
little boxes in a drawer, and saying just red pencils go box A, and blue
pencils go in box B, and green ones go in a box C...  Pretty soon you
have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with empty boxes.

   
-- 
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On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 10:05 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>  > Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
>  > signal (depending on your country).
> 
> While that is true, IARU recognize the "center of activity" concept.
> The JT65/JT9 "center of activity" is x.076-x.080 *and that does not*
> *change* just because there is a RTTY contest - any more than the
> PACTOR autobots leave 14.095-14.0995/14.1005-14.115 and PSK31/63
> abandons xx.070-xx.074 for the duration of the contest.
> 
> RTTY contesters need to learn if the dial reads less than xx.0805 they
> are causing *intentional QRM* to other modes and find another frequency
> or band.  I was frankly disgusted by the number of *big guns* who should
> know better coming up on top of existing TJT9 and JT65 QSOs all weekend.
> 
> It is time that RTTY contest sponsors make a strong effort to educate
> their participants about other digital activity below xx.080 (between
> xx.070 and xx.080) particularly on 20 and 15 meters.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-01-05 9:34 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> > Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
> > signal (depending on your country).  If you want channelized operation you
> > may have to look elsewhere--just not ham radio.
> >
> > Be very  happy we have this flexibility.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
> > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm just guessing, but didn't someone on the list say there was an RTTY
> >> contest?
> >>
> >> Isn't it fairly common for contesters to get a bit "enthusiastic" and
> >> overlook things, especially when the op is a contester, and not necessarily
> >> on RTTY at any other time?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/3/2015 5:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> >>
> >>> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing
> >>> JT65 QSO's
> >>> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
> >>> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
> >>>
> 
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