From jackbrindle at me.com  Thu Jan  1 00:41:10 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:41:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking
In-Reply-To: <54A4C2E4.5070400@triconet.org>
References: <kug4aal67ni0dnohinn3rssml8n7c9klgd@4ax.com>
	<CAGG46Apuu=OuedQvBj+k1Cp8hci8szMMwa-=svgQa98e6ZShxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A4C2E4.5070400@triconet.org>
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Make sure the big toroid power transformer is tightened down properly. The tendency is to avoid tightening it too much, fearing some damage will occur. The transformer needs a bit more than that. I'm sure you will get a better feel for it shortly.

- JackB, W6FB

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Thanks for your answer.
> 
> Hopefully, it lays to rest the idea that I didn't know what I was talking about when I described it as the sound of a reed relay following the key.
> (Hmm, mechanical motion initiated by electromotive force....sort of describes a relay doesn't it?)
> 
> That said, I'm not sure the phenomenon is totally due to magnetostriction. "Coil Noise" may be a better explanation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_noise)
> 
> In the case at hand, I'm a bit concerned about having this happen.  Perhaps it's from spending too many years around a failure analysis lab or doing vibration testing on assemblies, where with a strobe light we could watch things move to the point of failure.
> 
> What is Elecraft's fix?
> 
> Wes
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2014 12:29 AM, Robert Friess wrote:
>> What you are hearing is due to magnetostrictive force causing the windings
>> of the inductors in the TR switch to bang against their cores as the TR
>> switch bias is applied.  There are no relays.
>> 
>> 73
>> Bob, N6CM, KPA500 design engineer.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:23 PM,<mcduffie at ag0n.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>>> RF may be switched with PIN diodes, but there are some relays in there
>>> someplace.
>>> 
>>> No TR relay.  Amp is quiet as a mouse when keying/unkeying, even in QSK.
>>> There
>>> IS a STBY/OPER relay, I assume, as I can hear it when I go in and out of
>>> OPER.
>>> Also, band switching, of course.
>>> 
>>> There are ticks due to heating in the heat sink, but not in time with
>>> keying.
>>> Random, and varying rate.  Documented on this group previously.
>>> 
>>> Have you asked Elecraft (not this list) for a diagram?
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
> 
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From k0az at centurytel.net  Thu Jan  1 05:32:11 2015
From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 04:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS XV50 and XV144
Message-ID: <000601d025ae$3402a470$9c07ed50$@centurytel.net>

Good Morning this 1st day of 2015.
I have an XV50 and 144 that I want to sell. They both work, look good and
come
with documentation. Included are the I/O cables for both units that go to a
K2 and
a DB9 to be adapted with a USB for the computer. They come with the BNC
pigtails
to daisy chain them together. 6 and 2 meters. Hook up your K2 I/O port, your
computer
and your 6 and 2 meter antennas and you're on the air. I will ship both
units priority mail
for $550.00 and take Paypal.  73 es HNY. 

Forgot they come with fused power cables with Anderson power pole connectors
too.

                 

?                                                         GOD BLESS AMERICA
                                    K?AZ    Mike Sanders   EM37cd
www.k0az.com
                                                             SouthWest
Missouri         
?


       









From PKA at telepost.gl  Thu Jan  1 07:44:55 2015
From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 12:44:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com>
	<3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl>,
	<54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <16A42083-3BA9-4B8C-B4ED-5ECF5BEA6BA7@telepost.gl>

For a Danish ham warranty repair shipping would be
repair in Italy
5kg parcel (K3) 2*46 = 92 USD
repair in USA
5kg parcel (K3) 2*85 = 170 USD

repair in Italy
15kg parcel (KPA500) 2*92= 184 USD
repair in USA
15kg parcel (KPA500) 2*206= 412 USD

So its about half Price shipping for repair in Italy, probably something similar from Sweden.
But it is still quite expensive in my view.

What are the shipping cost for warranty repair for a (Con)US ham?


Sendt fra min iPad

> Den 31/12/2014 kl. 16.40 skrev "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com>:
> 
> But how does that compare to shipping back and forth across the Atlantic, Poul? Being 300 miles from Elecraft that's a comparison I've not had to make -- but Rickard did mention that factor in his message, so I thought perhaps he was not aware of the Italy option (and I don't really know if it would apply to his situation).
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 12/31/14 3:50 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) wrote:
>> Be aware that for warranty work in Italy you will have to pay shipping both forth and back.
>> 
>> 73, Paul OZ4UN
>> Sendt fra min iPad
>> 
>>> Den 30/12/2014 kl. 22.54 skrev "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com>:
>>> 
>>> I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy.
>>> 
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>> 
>>>> On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote:
>>>> Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for
>>>> shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Rickard / SA2CIR
>>>> 
>>>> N5NA wrote
>>>>> This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a
>>>>> problem for several years.  When I ordered the encoder Elecraft
>>>>> recommended replacing all four.  The encoders are only $3.34 each plus
>>>>> $3.50 for shipping.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at
>>>>> http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html
>>>>> <http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Alan N5NA
> 
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From nf4l at comcast.net  Thu Jan  1 08:04:36 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 08:04:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <16A42083-3BA9-4B8C-B4ED-5ECF5BEA6BA7@telepost.gl>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com> <,
	> <54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com>
	<3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl> <,
	> <54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com>
	<16A42083-3BA9-4B8C-B4ED-5ECF5BEA6BA7@telepost.gl>
Message-ID: <698CA46E-937A-487A-8B3D-F2773B05FF8E@comcast.net>

It cost $63.34 to ship my K3 from Florida to California and $56.00 to ship it back. UPS + insurance.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Jan 1, 2015, at 7:44 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) <PKA at telepost.gl> wrote:
> 
> For a Danish ham warranty repair shipping would be
> repair in Italy
> 5kg parcel (K3) 2*46 = 92 USD
> repair in USA
> 5kg parcel (K3) 2*85 = 170 USD
> 
> repair in Italy
> 15kg parcel (KPA500) 2*92= 184 USD
> repair in USA
> 15kg parcel (KPA500) 2*206= 412 USD
> 
> So its about half Price shipping for repair in Italy, probably something similar from Sweden.
> But it is still quite expensive in my view.
> 
> What are the shipping cost for warranty repair for a (Con)US ham?
> 
> 
> Sendt fra min iPad
> 
>> Den 31/12/2014 kl. 16.40 skrev "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com>:
>> 
>> But how does that compare to shipping back and forth across the Atlantic, Poul? Being 300 miles from Elecraft that's a comparison I've not had to make -- but Rickard did mention that factor in his message, so I thought perhaps he was not aware of the Italy option (and I don't really know if it would apply to his situation).
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>> 
>>> On 12/31/14 3:50 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) wrote:
>>> Be aware that for warranty work in Italy you will have to pay shipping both forth and back.
>>> 
>>> 73, Paul OZ4UN
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>> 
>>>> Den 30/12/2014 kl. 22.54 skrev "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs for
>>>>> shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Rickard / SA2CIR
>>>>> 
>>>>> N5NA wrote
>>>>>> This thread prompted me to replace my CMP/PWR encoder which has been a
>>>>>> problem for several years.  When I ordered the encoder Elecraft
>>>>>> recommended replacing all four.  The encoders are only $3.34 each plus
>>>>>> $3.50 for shipping.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I took a few pictures and wrote up what I did at
>>>>>> http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html
>>>>>> <http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73, Alan N5NA
>> 
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From rickard.garvare at ltu.se  Thu Jan  1 08:40:21 2015
From: rickard.garvare at ltu.se (SA2CIR)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 06:40:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54A31EFA.2040003@socal.rr.com>
	<3A06FB72-E671-4773-AB9A-161FF8142622@telepost.gl>
	<54A418F7.1080700@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1420119621399-7596629.post@n2.nabble.com>

I was not aware of the Italian option, thank you for enlighten me! After some
pondering I have decided to do the repair myself this time, but an
authorized repair shop on ones continent is of course a big plus to have.

73, Rickard SA2CIR


Phil Wheeler-2 wrote
> But how does that compare to shipping back and 
> forth across the Atlantic, Poul? Being 300 miles 
> from Elecraft that's a comparison I've not had to 
> make -- but Rickard did mention that factor in his 
> message, so I thought perhaps he was not aware of 
> the Italy option (and I don't really know if it 
> would apply to his situation).
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 12/31/14 3:50 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) wrote:
>> Be aware that for warranty work in Italy you will have to pay shipping
>> both forth and back.
>>
>> 73, Paul OZ4UN
>>
>>> Den 30/12/2014 kl. 22.54 skrev "Phil Wheeler" &lt;

> w7ox at .rr

> &gt;:
>>> I thought there was a way to have such warranty work done in Italy.
>>>
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>>
>>>> On 12/30/14 1:18 PM, SA2CIR wrote:
>>>> Yes, I could send in the rig for warranty repairs but time and costs
>>>> for
>>>> shipping back and forth over the Atlantic are not insignificant.





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan  1 08:42:41 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 unable to get a low null for SWR cal
In-Reply-To: <4eafb.ce8a4f6.41d1fe1b@aol.com>
References: <4eafb.ce8a4f6.41d1fe1b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <54A54ED1.5050501@embarqmail.com>

Michael,

With all the holiday stuff, I think your question did not yet receive a 
response.

Yes, you should be able to obtain a very good null when you adjust the 
capacitor.

Pre-set the trimmer pots R26 and R27 to measure 43k from the wiper to 
ground - you can easily measure that resistance from pins 3 and 5 of U5.

If you transmit into an open 'load' you will have the same voltage on 
the forward and reflected - that part is normal.

Is this a newly built KPA100?  If so, what is the color of the C1 body?  
If it is blue, no problem, also if it is white, again no problem, but if 
it is brown, that capacitor will not work in the C1 location - email 
parts at elecraft dot com and request a PN E540012 capacitor to use at 
the C1 location.
If this is an older KPA100 with either a blue or ceramic capacitor at 
C1, there is a possibility that C1 has failed.  Order PN E540012 to use 
as a replacement (the blue trimmer caps are no longer available).

73,
Don W3FPR


On 12/28/2014 7:45 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote:
> Usually I can get a SWR null around 10 - 15 mV with the power level at  2W.
>   
> For some reason I can only adjust it down to around 200 mV into a 50 Ohm
> dummy load. I have tried changing the diodes and U5 but they did not make a
> difference. Also rewound T4 using another toroid.
>   
> Also noticed that when I disconnect the dummy load and transmit at the 2W
> adj level both FOR and REFL voltages are about the same (TP4 = 1.1Vdc, IC5
> pin  7=1.1Vdc)!  Shouldn't the VREFL be much higher then the VFWD?
>   
> Both pots are adj to 27.8 kOhms for power calibration at 2W using a
> LP-100A.
>   
> When transmitting 2W into 50 Ohm load (K2 display shows "2.1W   1.4:1")
> LP-100A shows approx. 2W  SWR- 1.05:1
>   
> VFWD = 0.822 Vdc  (IC5 pin 7)
> VREFL= 0.173 Vdc  (IC5 TP4 )
>   
> Why is the K2 showing a much higher SWR then it should be showing?   Could
> there be a problem with U6?
>   
> I did not build this K2/100 and have found mistakes along the way then
> trying to get it working properly.... I can't seem to find any in this area yet
>   though!
>   
>


From rickard.garvare at ltu.se  Thu Jan  1 08:44:52 2015
From: rickard.garvare at ltu.se (SA2CIR)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 06:44:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <54A3485B.6060601@embarqmail.com>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54A3485B.6060601@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1420119892378-7596631.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don,

Thank you for the reply! I will follow your advice, a new encoder is now on
the way from Elecraft.

73, Rickard SA2CIR

Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
> Richard,
> 
> I don't know of any way to resurrect a failing encoder.  The fact that 
> the switch works is entirely different - the switch function is not 
> related to the rotational function of the encoder.
> 
> I would simply replace the encoder.
> 
> As far as the fact that it works for the first 10 seconds after a power 
> up is not really significant, that depends on the starting position of 
> the encoder.  If the output from the encoder does not cycle in the A to 
> B (or B to A) sequence, the control will not be smooth, even though 
> subsequent (through frustration) rotation of the encoder will produce 
> some results.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR





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From rickard.garvare at ltu.se  Thu Jan  1 09:03:16 2015
From: rickard.garvare at ltu.se (SA2CIR)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 07:03:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel encoders
In-Reply-To: <000101d02479$a0f44470$e2dccd50$@sral.fi>
References: <546E3468.8090905@gmail.com>
	<1419974334409-7596591.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<000101d02479$a0f44470$e2dccd50$@sral.fi>
Message-ID: <1420120996149-7596632.post@n2.nabble.com>

Olli,

Thank you! I will try to be careful and ESD safe. 

73, Rickard SA2CIR


Olli Tuppurainen wrote
> I replaced all four encoders  ( with help from my friend ) couple of days
> ago. It was quite a job as  the whole front panel has to be taken into
> pieces and DSP boards has to be taken off.
> A good SMD rework station is recommended to clean through holes +
> experience in rework not to damage foils in PCB. New encoders are bit
> thicker so height difference has to be taken into account while assembling
> .
> 
> New encoders work smooth and  great.  
> 
> One notice,  be careful when taking off  the knobs as at least RIT encoder
> is not having nothing else than small soft metal clips holding it together
> ( Encoders metal nut has been left out as there is no room or thin enough
> nut was not available at the time mine was built )
> 
> BR
> 
> Olli
> OH6CT





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From mongoose1951 at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  1 10:12:15 2015
From: mongoose1951 at googlemail.com (Ron)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 16:12:15 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3/KX3 and Raspberry Pi (James Bennett)
Message-ID: <00cc01d025d5$53d47a40$fb7d6ec0$@gmail.com>

Jim,

Less than a year ago (Sprint 2014) QST published a great article (was the
cover photo) using a pi and a KX3 panaadpter by Martin Ewing AA6E.    Until
my PX3 arrived I used a Pi as my KX3 panaadpter.  There a newsgroup at the
tinypythonpanadapter-discussion at lists.sourceforge.net
<mailto:tinypythonpanadapter-discussion at lists.sourceforge.net> .  I made
some minor code changes and have since got it to work with a BeagleBone.

 

73s

Ron

AF1Q

 

 

 

 

 


From la9nea at online.no  Thu Jan  1 11:19:14 2015
From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 17:19:14 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ,SSB settings,
In-Reply-To: <175105173.2013782.1420129097068.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>
Message-ID: <596567117.2013834.1420129154588.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>




> 
> Hello .,
> 
> Cant get my Elecraft K3 to work in SSB mode :-((, I am an newcomer to K3, and want to ask :Is  there any  settings in the config meny that can disable the SSB mode?, the mic is the orginal hand mic, and it bring the K3 in PTT, but no power out during settings of mic gain and cmp gain......
> 
> 73'Viggo  LA9NEA

From la9nea at online.no  Thu Jan  1 11:37:32 2015
From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 17:37:32 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ,SSB settings,
In-Reply-To: <596567117.2013834.1420129154588.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>
References: <175105173.2013782.1420129097068.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>
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Message-ID: <272586402.1988263.1420130252369.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice31.nsc.no>



Hello again,

The Bias was turned off........,now the K3 working fine in SSB mode....

73,Viggo  LA9NEA
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hello .,
> > 
> > Cant get my Elecraft K3 to work in SSB mode :-((, I am an newcomer to K3, and want to ask :Is  there any  settings in the config meny that can disable the SSB mode?, the mic is the orginal hand mic, and it bring the K3 in PTT, but no power out during settings of mic gain and cmp gain......
> > 
> > 73'Viggo  LA9NEA
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  1 11:41:55 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 08:41:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ,SSB settings,
In-Reply-To: <596567117.2013834.1420129154588.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>
References: <175105173.2013782.1420129097068.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no>
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Message-ID: <rvtaaalsr2opdfcjlu20jpjfnvee964u1g@4ax.com>

Make sure you have the correct Mic selected, and that it's configured
properly.  Mic inputs are on the front and rear panel.  The front
panel socket is an 8-pin Foster type, and the rear is a 3.5mm
stereo-type jack.

If you have the hand mic plugged into the front panel, make sure the
BIAS setting is correct.  If BIAS is off and you're using a condenser
hand mic, this might explain the no-audio problem.

73 and Happy New Year!
matt
W6NIA



On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 17:19:14 +0100 (MET), you wrote:

>
>
>
>> 
>> Hello .,
>> 
>> Cant get my Elecraft K3 to work in SSB mode :-((, I am an newcomer to K3, and want to ask :Is  there any  settings in the config meny that can disable the SSB mode?, the mic is the orginal hand mic, and it bring the K3 in PTT, but no power out during settings of mic gain and cmp gain......
>> 
>> 73'Viggo  LA9NEA
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spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln

From wes at triconet.org  Thu Jan  1 11:50:06 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 09:50:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 clicking
In-Reply-To: <20DC8802-3409-4948-AB34-24B65AE49E67@me.com>
References: <kug4aal67ni0dnohinn3rssml8n7c9klgd@4ax.com><CAGG46Apuu=OuedQvBj+k1Cp8hci8szMMwa-=svgQa98e6ZShxA@mail.gmail.com><54A4
	C2E4.5070400@triconet.org>
	<20DC8802-3409-4948-AB34-24B65AE49E67@me.com>
Message-ID: <54A57ABE.7000001@triconet.org>

I considered, and rejected that possibility early on.  That said, when I get a 
chance I'll see if something cold-flowed.


On 12/31/2014 10:41 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
> Make sure the big toroid power transformer is tightened down properly. The tendency is to avoid tightening it too much, fearing some damage will occur. The transformer needs a bit more than that. I'm sure you will get a better feel for it shortly.
>
> - JackB, W6FB
>
>


From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Jan  1 12:17:32 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 09:17:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Classic
In-Reply-To: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BFED6981-843E-4E6C-94A1-4FA1F08E47F9@me.com>

John, I?m sure it is possible. I?ve made an adapter for my Heil Gold Elite microphone (which I love!) for the KX3. This Heil had the Kenwood cable which has a Cat 6 RJ-45 connector which needed an adapter into the three-ring mini-plug. Cost all of $4.75 and about 20-minutes. Hell has a pin list for every microphone on its web site, and the Elecraft folks can give you the pin designation for the mini-plug which, if I remember, is simply element/PTT/ground. The Gold Elite is a hand held with a PTT switch.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 5:48 PM, John Glascock (N0IB) <N0IB.John at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to connect a Heil Classic to a KX3?  If so, how?
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> 
> John (N0IB)
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan  1 12:49:32 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 09:49:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Classic
In-Reply-To: <BFED6981-843E-4E6C-94A1-4FA1F08E47F9@me.com>
References: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<BFED6981-843E-4E6C-94A1-4FA1F08E47F9@me.com>
Message-ID: <54A588AC.2050808@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/1/2015 9:17 AM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> I?m sure it is possible.

Yes. The K3 and KX3 work very well with virtually any decent mic. All 
that is needed is a properly wired connector adapter. Just pull out the 
documentation for the mic and the K3, see what pins are connected to the 
mic on each end, dig out the connectors, pull out your soldering iron, 
and make the adapter. I buy ham mic connectors at ham flea markets and 
keep a few in the junk box. I buy audio connectors from Full Compass 
(near Madison, WI).

If I had to adapt from an RJ45, I would buy a pre-made cable with the 
RJ45 connector, cut off the other end, and install the mic connector for 
the radio.

73, Jim K9YC

From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Thu Jan  1 13:00:01 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:00:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 wanted
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C3@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

I'm looking for a KRC2 if anybody has one they want to get rid of.
Cheers and HNY,
Fred KE7X


From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Jan  1 13:09:22 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:09:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Mac Software
Message-ID: <66E23569-8799-42F2-8A24-3478E4B5FCFB@me.com>

Total newby to RTTY. Wanna learn it. What Mac OS software do you recommend for the KX3 for RTTY and other data?

David A., KC0XT



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From N0IB.John at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 13:59:11 2015
From: N0IB.John at gmail.com (John Glascock (N0IB))
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 11:59:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Classic
In-Reply-To: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420076919718-7596623.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1420138751594-7596642.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks

Found a schematic for combining the mike, foot switch, in a project box. 



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John (N0IB)


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From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Jan  1 14:00:46 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 19:00:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
Message-ID: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>

Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA
input, but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was
a sales clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at embarqmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that
>>I
>> don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the
>>SVGA
>> option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs
>>to be
>> displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>


From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 14:02:27 2015
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:02:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Mac Software
In-Reply-To: <66E23569-8799-42F2-8A24-3478E4B5FCFB@me.com>
References: <66E23569-8799-42F2-8A24-3478E4B5FCFB@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKdirLQKSwYAUSphqE7YwOV_MSvh+Ymr8wsL2-yPM+EW-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I use FLDigi on Mac.  In fact, I have it running now, connected to my KX3.
I use the KXUSB cable for Rig control; had to load the FTDI drivers that
you can find a link to on Elecraft's site or click here -
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm.  FLDigi gives you basic Rig
control.  You can download FLRig if you want more rig control from the
Mac.  There are no specific rig files for the KX3, but choosing the K3 beta
rig control seems to cover about 90% of all the rig control I need from the
computer.  The KX3 is after all sitting right in front of me.  Not hard to
just reach out and change what I need on the rig itself.

I use the KX3 cable with the green patch between the Mic (KX3) and
Headphone jack (Macbook OS X 10.5.8).  I use the cable with the red patch
between the headphone jack (KX3) and the line-in input on the Macbook.  I
also set the VOX on the KX3 so it will transmit when I hit send on FLDigi.
For digital modes, the VOX on the KX3 is excellent.  This really makes your
onboarding to digital modes with the KX3 very very easy and quick.

You will of course need to ensure that the sound levels are not too high on
the Mac (both main sound volume and line-in) and that all sound effects are
turned off in this configuration.  You will need to experiment a bit to get
the Mac levels and the KX3 (AF and Mic Gain) levels right and not too high
to get a nice looking waterfall.  I think my Mic Gain is set at 18 and AF
is 8 in combination with about 30% speaker volume and 50% line-in on the
Mac.  Alternatively, you can use a USB sound card (Soundblaster or Griffin
iMic from Amazon) to give FLDigi a different sound card to use than the
main sound card in your Mac.

You will need to set the KX3 to data and sub-mode Data A.  I also adjust
the bandwidth to 4.0 (PBT I) so that the KX3 sends all that it hears within
the USB bandwidth on 20meters.

That's pretty much it.  Learn FLDigi and run on any platform.  I love HRD
and DM780, but sadly it is Windows only and I have moved on from Windows to
Linux and Mac.  I have installed and executed FLDigi on each platform and
am starting to broaden my macro knowledge in order to control the rig for
contesting.  FLDigi has a good user's guide.  I highly recommend reading it
and consulting it often.  It will help.  With use, you will remember more
and FLDigi will be your goto digital mode program.

One thing I noted about FLDigi with RTTY is that it consumes about 10-15%
more processor cycles than PSK31.  Not sure why and I have changed multiple
config settings in hopes to reduce that load to no avail.  If you are
plugged into the mains, then no problem.  If you are running on a Macbook
on battery, might be a little less running time when portable.

P.S.  I have just recently learned that the Elecraft KX3/PX3 Utility
programs for Mac are only OS X 10.6+ compatible.  So, I either update the
OS or use Linux.  Right now, my main shack computer is Linux.  Not a big
deal for me at this point that I can't run the utility programs on Mac.  I
am getting the Macbook ready for Winter Field day Jan 24-25th and should
have all that I need set-up ahead of time utility wise.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:

> Total newby to RTTY. Wanna learn it. What Mac OS software do you recommend
> for the KX3 for RTTY and other data?
>
> David A., KC0XT
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From sasimpson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 14:46:09 2015
From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 13:46:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Mac Software
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKdirLQKSwYAUSphqE7YwOV_MSvh+Ymr8wsL2-yPM+EW-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66E23569-8799-42F2-8A24-3478E4B5FCFB@me.com>
	<CAM34cKdirLQKSwYAUSphqE7YwOV_MSvh+Ymr8wsL2-yPM+EW-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP=6jy9eDmiwfN8i0pOft+8=RqQNGqq_f8rU8GJyOOroVGnbyw@mail.gmail.com>

I second FLDigi and using the phones output.  i kept trying to use the rxiq
out and that doesn't work.  make sure you bump your filters all they way
out.  there are some interesting logging and contesting apps, but you can
do all that with fldigi/fllog/flrig.

scott
sasimpson at gmail.com

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Brian Waterworth <brian.waterworth at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I use FLDigi on Mac.  In fact, I have it running now, connected to my KX3.
> I use the KXUSB cable for Rig control; had to load the FTDI drivers that
> you can find a link to on Elecraft's site or click here -
> http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP.htm.  FLDigi gives you basic Rig
> control.  You can download FLRig if you want more rig control from the
> Mac.  There are no specific rig files for the KX3, but choosing the K3 beta
> rig control seems to cover about 90% of all the rig control I need from the
> computer.  The KX3 is after all sitting right in front of me.  Not hard to
> just reach out and change what I need on the rig itself.
>
> I use the KX3 cable with the green patch between the Mic (KX3) and
> Headphone jack (Macbook OS X 10.5.8).  I use the cable with the red patch
> between the headphone jack (KX3) and the line-in input on the Macbook.  I
> also set the VOX on the KX3 so it will transmit when I hit send on FLDigi.
> For digital modes, the VOX on the KX3 is excellent.  This really makes your
> onboarding to digital modes with the KX3 very very easy and quick.
>
> You will of course need to ensure that the sound levels are not too high on
> the Mac (both main sound volume and line-in) and that all sound effects are
> turned off in this configuration.  You will need to experiment a bit to get
> the Mac levels and the KX3 (AF and Mic Gain) levels right and not too high
> to get a nice looking waterfall.  I think my Mic Gain is set at 18 and AF
> is 8 in combination with about 30% speaker volume and 50% line-in on the
> Mac.  Alternatively, you can use a USB sound card (Soundblaster or Griffin
> iMic from Amazon) to give FLDigi a different sound card to use than the
> main sound card in your Mac.
>
> You will need to set the KX3 to data and sub-mode Data A.  I also adjust
> the bandwidth to 4.0 (PBT I) so that the KX3 sends all that it hears within
> the USB bandwidth on 20meters.
>
> That's pretty much it.  Learn FLDigi and run on any platform.  I love HRD
> and DM780, but sadly it is Windows only and I have moved on from Windows to
> Linux and Mac.  I have installed and executed FLDigi on each platform and
> am starting to broaden my macro knowledge in order to control the rig for
> contesting.  FLDigi has a good user's guide.  I highly recommend reading it
> and consulting it often.  It will help.  With use, you will remember more
> and FLDigi will be your goto digital mode program.
>
> One thing I noted about FLDigi with RTTY is that it consumes about 10-15%
> more processor cycles than PSK31.  Not sure why and I have changed multiple
> config settings in hopes to reduce that load to no avail.  If you are
> plugged into the mains, then no problem.  If you are running on a Macbook
> on battery, might be a little less running time when portable.
>
> P.S.  I have just recently learned that the Elecraft KX3/PX3 Utility
> programs for Mac are only OS X 10.6+ compatible.  So, I either update the
> OS or use Linux.  Right now, my main shack computer is Linux.  Not a big
> deal for me at this point that I can't run the utility programs on Mac.  I
> am getting the Macbook ready for Winter Field day Jan 24-25th and should
> have all that I need set-up ahead of time utility wise.
>
> regards,
> Brian
> VE3IBW
>
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:09 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Total newby to RTTY. Wanna learn it. What Mac OS software do you
> recommend
> > for the KX3 for RTTY and other data?
> >
> > David A., KC0XT
> >
> >
> >
> > David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  1 15:20:43 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 12:20:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <002a01d02600$6beec510$43cc4f30$@earthlink.net>

What is an Internet signal and how would that help?
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer,
Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:01 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older Macs
could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input, but
the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at embarqmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is 
>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming 
>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow 
>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Jan  1 15:56:00 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 15:56:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost in MMTTY and N1MM setup
In-Reply-To: <002a01d02600$6beec510$43cc4f30$@earthlink.net>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<002a01d02600$6beec510$43cc4f30$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54A5B460.8020700@nexicom.net>

Someone posted some links to setting up MMTTY or MMvari for rtty     and 
I lost them.

I am struggling with  a few problems.
I am using MMTTY with AFSK within N1MM      I will build an adapter for 
FSK I am hunting some parts now, but for now I will use AFSK  and hope 
to for the RTTY roundup this weekend.


One issue is mode changes.   when I am using MMTTY and N1MM  it wants to 
change the mode from AFSK to FSK when ever I change bands or select RTTY 
mode from N1MM  I have to press DATA MD and change it from FSK-d back to 
AFSK A
also
Every time close MMTTY and open it from N1MM  again it forgets that I am 
using the COM-2 for PTT   it reverts to NONE.    All the other settings 
like mark frequency seem to hold.

other than that things are working fine.   RX and TX is fine once I set 
everything  someting I dont want to have to do every time I start N1MM


Any advice or If anyone has those Links I would appreciate it.



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan  1 15:53:00 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <2104066680.2069181.1420145580374.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100118.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

About the only way I can see this working would be to use aVGA video INPUT card for the PC to bring the signal into the PC.
Monitors are fairly inexpensive so it's probably cheaper to just add a dedicated monitor.
I already run 3 monitors, and I'm considering a 4th to dedicate just to the P3









      From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 2:00 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
   
Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.? Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA
input, but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.? He was
a sales clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet signal.? Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .? Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at embarqmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that
>>I
>> don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the
>>SVGA
>> option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs
>>to be
>> displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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From shfoster at usa.net  Thu Jan  1 16:05:04 2015
From: shfoster at usa.net (steve foster)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 13:05:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] kat500/kpa500 with kenwood transceiver
Message-ID: <54A5B680.6060806@usa.net>

Hello,
  Is there a way using the data provided to have both the kpa500 and the 
kat500 change bands using the kenwood data stream.
  it was mentioned that there was an Arduino solution, any other thoughts?
thanks in advance

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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Jan  1 16:15:29 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
Message-ID: <0NHI0021LODVHJ20@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi
If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,? to stream the video to where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there are multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.? I spent a week trying? and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
73's Tom 
va2fsq.com

From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Thu Jan  1 16:26:14 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] kat500/kpa500 with kenwood transceiver
In-Reply-To: <54A5B680.6060806@usa.net>
References: <54A5B680.6060806@usa.net>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C8@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

The KPA500 can be set up to either monitor the Kenwood's interaction with a logging program by "listening" on the serial port or by polling the Kenwood when you do not have a PC connected to the Kenwood. The KAT500 cannot do this and so can just change frequencies when it measures the transmission frequency. 

Cheers, happy new year,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners


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> Subject: [Elecraft] kat500/kpa500 with kenwood transceiver
> 
> Hello,
>   Is there a way using the data provided to have both the kpa500 and
> the
> kat500 change bands using the kenwood data stream.
>   it was mentioned that there was an Arduino solution, any other
> thoughts?
> thanks in advance
> 
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 16:36:58 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <011501d0260b$1335c0d0$39a14270$@verizon.net>

Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer,
Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 2:01 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older Macs
could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input, but
the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at embarqmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is 
>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming 
>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow 
>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Jan  1 17:46:04 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 22:46:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <002a01d02600$6beec510$43cc4f30$@earthlink.net>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<002a01d02600$6beec510$43cc4f30$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D0CB1B2E.901D%edauer@law.du.edu>

OK, bad terminology.  I?m a lawyer, not an engineer.  The suggestion
someone (I forget who) made was this - take the P3?s SVGA output and
change it by some miracle into something the MAC?s Internet browser would
think is an incoming Internet site.  Then, because the Mac (and every
other computer) can display an Internet site simultaneously with any other
window from an onboard app, the problem is solved.  How that magical
transformation could be made to happen was beyond me.

EAD


Edward A. Dauer,  LL.B., M.P.H.
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver Sturm College of Law






On 1/1/15, 1:20 PM, "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net> wrote:

>What is an Internet signal and how would that help?
>Fred, AE6QL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Dauer,
>Edward
>Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:01 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
>
>Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
>space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.
>
>Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
>Macs
>could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input,
>but
>the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
>clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.
>
>When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
>the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
>simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
>Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
>an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>>From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at embarqmail.com>
>>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>>Message-ID: <54A39AA0.3040100 at embarqmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>>Tony,
>>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>>Dick, n0ce
>>
>>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is
>>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming
>>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow
>>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>>
>>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>>
>>>
>
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From k2mk at comcast.net  Thu Jan  1 17:57:43 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 15:57:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <011501d0260b$1335c0d0$39a14270$@verizon.net>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<011501d0260b$1335c0d0$39a14270$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1420153063450-7596654.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Tony,

I found 3 immediate advantages with an external monitor. The first of course
was relief for my old eyes. 

Next, on the P3 I preferred a span width of 10KHz on CW and RTTY and 50KHz
on SSB. On the external monitor I was able to jump to 20KHz and 100KHz.

The third benefit was the larger waterfall height. During contests it is
extremely easy to tune where somebody was just transmitting. Great for
search and pounce operating. With the taller waterfall signals stay on the
screen for probably close to a minute (I never measured it).

CW, RTTY, and PSK decoding can also be left on full time at the bottom of
the screen if desired.

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  



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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan  1 18:49:41 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 18:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <1420153063450-7596654.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <D0CAE538.9001%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<011501d0260b$1335c0d0$39a14270$@verizon.net>
	<1420153063450-7596654.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <014001d0261d$9d168430$d7438c90$@verizon.net>

Tnx Mike for the input. Once I get the new monitor I will switch back and
forth and play with the P3 and see if I get hooked on the external monitor.
73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
K2MK
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 5:58 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Hi Tony,

I found 3 immediate advantages with an external monitor. The first of course
was relief for my old eyes. 

Next, on the P3 I preferred a span width of 10KHz on CW and RTTY and 50KHz
on SSB. On the external monitor I was able to jump to 20KHz and 100KHz.

The third benefit was the larger waterfall height. During contests it is
extremely easy to tune where somebody was just transmitting. Great for
search and pounce operating. With the taller waterfall signals stay on the
screen for probably close to a minute (I never measured it).

CW, RTTY, and PSK decoding can also be left on full time at the bottom of
the screen if desired.

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan  1 20:23:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Michael via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 20:23:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 unable to get a low null for SWR cal
Message-ID: <9ba81.51fa8c58.41d74d06@aol.com>

Thank you to Don W3FPR who solved my problem!
 
I could not get the swr null lower than 200 mV.
 
Provided trim cap C1 was brown and did not have the minimum  capacitance
required.  I used a Murata green trimmer cap which now allows me to go  
down to 
7.5 mV and the SWR shown on all bands into a dummy load it 1.0:1.
 
The replacement cap from Elecraft is part number E540012 (5 pF to 15 pF  
white body) which should be used at C1.
 
Michael n2zdb

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Jan  1 21:03:39 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 21:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost in K3 and  MMTTY and N1MM setup
Message-ID: <54A5FC7B.2000306@nexicom.net>

This posting somehow got lost in another thread about something 
different so my apologies for reposting

Someone posted some links to setting up MMTTY or MMvari for rtty and I 
lost them.

I am struggling with  a few problems.
I am using MMTTY with AFSK within N1MM      I will build an adapter for 
FSK I am hunting some parts now, but for now I will use AFSK and hope to 
for the RTTY roundup this weekend.


One issue is mode changes.   when I am using MMTTY and N1MM  it wants to 
change the mode from AFSK to FSK when ever I change bands or select RTTY 
mode from N1MM  I have to press DATA MD and change it from FSK-d back to 
AFSK A
also
Every time close MMTTY and open it from N1MM  again it forgets that I am 
using the COM-2 for PTT   it reverts to NONE.    All the other settings 
like mark frequency seem to hold.

other than that things are working fine.   RX and TX is fine once I set 
everything  someting I dont want to have to do every time I start N1MM


Any advice or If anyone has those Links I would appreciate it.

-- 
David Moes

VE3DVY,  VE3SD


From kf5jnu at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 21:06:17 2015
From: kf5jnu at gmail.com (Gerald Wilson)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 21:06:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 150Hz tone
Message-ID: <54A5FD19.2060801@gmail.com>

Happy 2015 everyone!

Last year at Dayton I wanted to talk to a couple .mil comm guys. Lots of
them had radios in the 6m band (which my KX3 supported) but they have a
PL tone of 150Hz.

How hard would it be for Elecraft to put this into the next firmware
update? I think it would be awesome to get some KX3s on some green gear
nets in the future!

Take care all and hope you have a good new year!

http://a.pomf.se/tejvqf.jpg

From ve3iay at storm.ca  Thu Jan  1 22:02:26 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:02:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost in K3 and  MMTTY and N1MM setup
Message-ID: <54A60A42.1080109@storm.ca>

Re mode changes - in the N1MM Logger's Configurer window, under the Mode 
Control tab, for Mode sent to radio for RTTY, set the listbox to AFSK. 
If it is set to RTTY, the Logger will switch the K3 to FSK D.

Re PTT, there are many different ways to control PTT. If you are using 
AFSK, you can let N1MM Logger do all the PTT control, either using RTS 
on the same COM port you use for radio control, or by using software 
commands, or by using a separate COM port, or from a Winkeyer (N1MM 
Logger can use the Winkeyer's PTT output in all modes, not just CW). If 
you opt for any of these methods, MMTTY's PTT & FSK port should be set 
to NONE.

Alternatively, you can control PTT (and FSK, if you are using it) from 
MMTTY on a separate COM port, in which case MMTTY needs to be configured 
to use that port.

How you configure N1MM Logger depends on which method you are using for 
PTT control. This is all described at 
<http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Digital+Setup&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Setting_Up_the_Configurer>.

73,
Rich VE3KI


VE3DVY wrote:
> One issue is mode changes.   when I am using MMTTY and N1MM  it wants to
> change the mode from AFSK to FSK when ever I change bands or select RTTY
> mode from N1MM  I have to press DATA MD and change it from FSK-d back to
> AFSK A
> also
> Every time close MMTTY and open it from N1MM  again it forgets that I am
> using the COM-2 for PTT   it reverts to NONE.    All the other settings
> like mark frequency seem to hold.



From stevewa at spiritone.com  Thu Jan  1 22:48:28 2015
From: stevewa at spiritone.com (Steve Ward)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 19:48:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2844.1420161808.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2844.1420161808.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54A6150C.8000806@spiritone.com>

There are monitors on the market that have PbP (Picture beside Picture) 
capability built-in.  I just acquired a Planar Systems IX-2850 4K 28" 
display which can display two, three or four inputs on-screen at once.  
Since it's a 4K display when four inputs are shown each one still gets 
1920x1080 pixels.

One note to remember however is that a 28" 4K monitor has very small pixels.

73,
Steve AD7OG

From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

 > Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - 
if space allows. Several
 > of the manufacturers make them. Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple 
store here told me that
 > the older Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of 
which was a VGA input,
 > but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot. He was a 
sales clerk, not an
 > engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts. When this question 
was last on the reflector
 > someone suggested converting the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet 
signal. Both Windows
 > and Mac allow simultaneous display of the browser and any other 
resident application.
 > Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone 
knows an easy way, please
 > post it here . . . Thanks. Ted, KN1CBR

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jan  1 22:56:33 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu,  1 Jan 2015 19:56:33 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RTTY Mac Software
In-Reply-To: <66E23569-8799-42F2-8A24-3478E4B5FCFB@me.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-774C3529B86D46E7B25BDFB4DDD803B0@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I mostly use cocoaModem for RTTY and other digital modes. I have 
also used fldigi. For both programs, I use a SignaLink USB as 
the interface between my MacBook Pro and the K3 with a home brew 
cable that connects the SignaLink to the Line In and Out 
connectors on the back of the K3. I use a separate connection 
for PTT from the SignaLink to the PTT In connector on the K3. 
This last connection lets me switch between voice and digital 
modes without changing the K3's VOX setting. (Note that in this 
configuration, the SignaLink is performing the VOX function.)

For RTTY, I run the K3 in AFSK A mode. I use DATA A mode for all 
other digital modes.

I have a preference for cocoaModem over fldigi. I think I get 
better decoding from cocoaModem, but my preference may be mostly 
that I am much for familiar with cocoaModem than with fldigi.

cocoaModem is well integrated with both RUMlog, a DX and general 
purpose logging program, and RUMped, a contest logging program. 
All these programs are no cost and source code is available for cocoaModem.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/1/15 at 10:09 AM, davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) wrote:

>Total newby to RTTY. Wanna learn it. What Mac OS software do 
>you recommend for the KX3 for RTTY and other data?
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From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp  Fri Jan  2 03:07:18 2015
From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (JE0LFI)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 01:07:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
Message-ID: <1420186038429-7596662.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all, Happy New Year 2015!

In version 2.27, when you turn on the NR or NB of KX3, will not move the
main dial.

Is this a specification, or bug of v2.27?

---

 JE0LFI / Nakamura



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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Fri Jan  2 05:55:40 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 05:55:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <0NHI0021LODVHJ20@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <0NHI0021LODVHJ20@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <005f01d0267a$a64c7ac0$f2e57040$@verizon.net>

Tom,
If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional windows to the screen?
Tnx
N2TK, Tony

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Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM
To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Cc: Dauer, Edward
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Hi
If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video to where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there are multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.  I spent a week trying  and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
73's Tom
va2fsq.com
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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Fri Jan  2 06:03:34 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:03:34 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
Message-ID: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>

Hi all.

I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially on 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors? Christmas lights are packed away for the year.

I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who does not own a K3.

My questions:

Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig that already has good DSP capabilities?

Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP performance of the K3?

Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it without severely degrading the wanted signal too? 

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From ericvk3ax at esc.net.au  Fri Jan  2 06:33:52 2015
From: ericvk3ax at esc.net.au (Eric Buggee)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:33:52 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
Message-ID: <54A68220.6010003@esc.net.au>

     Hi Alan,

      The DSP599zx may well reduce the baseband (audio) noise as 
demodulated; BUT it will do nothing about the ambient RF pollution on 
40m and lower bands.

      As you rightly conclude in your last paragraph no amount of audio 
processing is going to remove the noise as received without degrading 
the wanted signal(s).

     73,

     Eric, VK3AX.



On 1/2/2015 10:03 PM, G4GNX wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially on 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors? Christmas lights are packed away for the year.
>
> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who does not own a K3.
>
> My questions:
>
> Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig that already has good DSP capabilities?
>
> Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP performance of the K3?
>
> Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it without severely degrading the wanted signal too?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jan  2 06:51:18 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 06:51:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <54A68220.6010003@esc.net.au>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<54A68220.6010003@esc.net.au>
Message-ID: <EBA5A717-BED9-42D1-A772-84E2DD295D91@portcredit.net>

I agree with Eric. You need to solve this on the rf side. 

You can using a loop receiving antenna and null out the source. Or, something like an ANC4. 

Mike va3mw

> On Jan 2, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Eric Buggee <ericvk3ax at esc.net.au> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Alan,
> 
>     The DSP599zx may well reduce the baseband (audio) noise as demodulated; BUT it will do nothing about the ambient RF pollution on 40m and lower bands.
> 
>     As you rightly conclude in your last paragraph no amount of audio processing is going to remove the noise as received without degrading the wanted signal(s).
> 
>    73,
> 
>    Eric, VK3AX.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/2/2015 10:03 PM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially on 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors? Christmas lights are packed away for the year.
>> 
>> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who does not own a K3.
>> 
>> My questions:
>> 
>> Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig that already has good DSP capabilities?
>> 
>> Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP performance of the K3?
>> 
>> Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it without severely degrading the wanted signal too?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Alan. G4GNX
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Fri Jan  2 08:44:42 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost in K3 and  MMTTY and N1MM setup
In-Reply-To: <54A60A42.1080109@storm.ca>
References: <54A60A42.1080109@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <54A6A0CA.9080705@nexicom.net>

Thanks Rich
your advice was perfect

also found the link I was looking for 
http://www.n3me.net/pdf%20files/N1MM%20-%20Elecraft%20K3%20Setup%20Notes.pdf

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 1/1/2015 22:02, Richard Ferch wrote:
> Re mode changes - in the N1MM Logger's Configurer window, under the 
> Mode Control tab, for Mode sent to radio for RTTY, set the listbox to 
> AFSK. If it is set to RTTY, the Logger will switch the K3 to FSK D.
>
> Re PTT, there are many different ways to control PTT. If you are using 
> AFSK, you can let N1MM Logger do all the PTT control, either using RTS 
> on the same COM port you use for radio control, or by using software 
> commands, or by using a separate COM port, or from a Winkeyer (N1MM 
> Logger can use the Winkeyer's PTT output in all modes, not just CW). 
> If you opt for any of these methods, MMTTY's PTT & FSK port should be 
> set to NONE.
>
> Alternatively, you can control PTT (and FSK, if you are using it) from 
> MMTTY on a separate COM port, in which case MMTTY needs to be 
> configured to use that port.
>
> How you configure N1MM Logger depends on which method you are using 
> for PTT control. This is all described at 
> <http://n1mmplus.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Digital+Setup&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Setting_Up_the_Configurer>.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> VE3DVY wrote:
>> One issue is mode changes.   when I am using MMTTY and N1MM  it wants to
>> change the mode from AFSK to FSK when ever I change bands or select RTTY
>> mode from N1MM  I have to press DATA MD and change it from FSK-d back to
>> AFSK A
>> also
>> Every time close MMTTY and open it from N1MM  again it forgets that I am
>> using the COM-2 for PTT   it reverts to NONE.    All the other settings
>> like mark frequency seem to hold.
>
>
>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  2 09:12:46 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 09:12:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
Message-ID: <0NHJ004NBZHBPK50@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi Tony
The avermedia card is a vga capture board. It captures the signal from the svga card and then displays it in a standard windows window. You can resize it like any other window and display it simultaneously with all the other windows on your Windows PC. So you do not need a separate monitor. 
73's Tom 
va2fsq.com

On Jan 2, 2015 5:55 AM, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Tom, 
> If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional windows to the screen? 
> Tnx 
> N2TK, Tony 
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Blahovici 
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM 
> To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
> Cc: Dauer, Edward 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously 
>
> Hi 
> If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
> If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,? to stream the video to where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there are multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.? I spent a week trying? and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
> 73's Tom 
> va2fsq.com 
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  2 09:33:43 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 09:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
Message-ID: <B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>

Hi,
I had a serious noise issue from some neighbors lights.  I bought an NCC1 
from DXEngineering and an active "noise" antenna from them as well.  It can 
get rid of noise almost completely.
Here is a video of WWV with it on and off.
http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi
A little pricey but well worth it.

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: G4GNX
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 6:03 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx

Hi all.

I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially on 
40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors? 
Christmas lights are packed away for the year.

I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who 
does not own a K3.

My questions:

Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig that 
already has good DSP capabilities?

Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP performance 
of the K3?

Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the 
signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it 
without severely degrading the wanted signal too?

73,

Alan. G4GNX
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Fri Jan  2 09:44:24 2015
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 07:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <61D7B2ED-9D60-48F2-A2BF-7418B5D29AD4@nobis.net>

Tom,

Unfortunately, your link doesn?t work. Opens to a blank screen.

73,


Bob  -  N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net




> On Jan 2, 2015, at 07:33, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I had a serious noise issue from some neighbors lights.  I bought an NCC1 from DXEngineering and an active "noise" antenna from them as well.  It can get rid of noise almost completely.
> Here is a video of WWV with it on and off.
> http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi
> A little pricey but well worth it.
> 
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: G4GNX
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 6:03 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially on 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors? Christmas lights are packed away for the year.
> 
> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who does not own a K3.
> 
> My questions:
> 
> Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig that already has good DSP capabilities?
> 
> Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP performance of the K3?
> 
> Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it without severely degrading the wanted signal too?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
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From jwiley at gci.net  Fri Jan  2 09:56:49 2015
From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 05:56:49 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <54A6B1B1.6010707@gci.net>

We use a NCC1 here also, although with just a low 75 and 40 meter trap 
dipole for the noise pickup antenna.  It is very successful in 
eliminating noise from the neighbor's plasma TV, and other noise sources 
that originate in our neighborhood from time to time.  It only works on 
one noise at a time, of course, but  most of the time that is enough.

- Jim, KL7CC


On 1/2/2015 5:33 AM, Tom wrote:
> Hi,
> I had a serious noise issue from some neighbors lights.  I bought an 
> NCC1 from DXEngineering and an active "noise" antenna from them as 
> well.  It can get rid of noise almost completely.
> Here is a video of WWV with it on and off.
> http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi
> A little pricey but well worth it.
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> -----Original Message----- From: G4GNX
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 6:03 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, 
> especially on 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as 
> the neighbors? Christmas lights are packed away for the year.
>
> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by 
> someone who does not own a K3.
>
> My questions:
>
> Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig 
> that already has good DSP capabilities?
>
> Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP 
> performance of the K3?
>
> Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of 
> the signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to 
> remove it without severely degrading the wanted signal too?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri Jan  2 10:05:27 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
In-Reply-To: <0NHJ004NBZHBPK50@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <0NHJ004NBZHBPK50@VL-VM-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <D0CC01B9.9061%edauer@law.du.edu>

Not with Mac?







On 1/2/15, 7:12 AM, "'Tom Blahovici'" <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

>Hi Tony
>The avermedia card is a vga capture board. It captures the signal from
>the svga card and then displays it in a standard windows window. You can
>resize it like any other window and display it simultaneously with all
>the other windows on your Windows PC. So you do not need a separate
>monitor. 
>73's Tom 
>va2fsq.com
>
>On Jan 2, 2015 5:55 AM, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Tom, 
>> If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional
>>windows to the screen?
>> Tnx 
>> N2TK, Tony 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>Tom Blahovici 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM
>> To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
>> Cc: Dauer, Edward
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
>>
>> Hi 
>> If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a
>>64bit operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and
>>use it to display a resizable window on your PC monitors.
>> If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video
>>to where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely
>>difficult to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very
>>poor and there are multiple explanations all of which use different
>>syntax.  I spent a week trying  and only managed to stream to a Windows
>>media player at a low rate. In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but
>>good luck. 
>> 73's Tom 
>> va2fsq.com 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From tomw at ecpi.com  Fri Jan  2 11:10:44 2015
From: tomw at ecpi.com (Tom Whiteside)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:10:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] adjusting the K3 to not over-drive an amplifier
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2844.1420161808.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2844.1420161808.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001b01d026a6$a9cd1200$fd673600$@com>

I've had my K3 for 8 years now and just love it...  My only complaint is
that in SSB I have trouble throttling the power back enough to not
occasionally trip an Alpha 87A.  The K3 just ignores the reins and charges
ahead...   I notice this on a 40M sked where my antenna is close to 2:1 SWR
- It doesn't seem to misbehave into a dummy load so I'm thinking it is
related to that...  (The antenna is a beam stack on a tower over 400 feet
away and not pointing at me so it's not an RFI issue...)  I've rerun the
power calibration routines with no difference noted.  Headset is a
Radiosport and mic gain is down to 5 compression level of 11.

I know this group will be able to tell me just how to correct this.

Tom N5TW 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  2 13:36:48 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:36:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 field-test firmware: 60-m band limits fixed;
	no RX EQ in DATA modes; etc.
Message-ID: <E6882D9E-1DCB-4F25-BB85-0CE3C34AF80D@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

Below are the release notes for KX3 rev. 2.32 field-test firmware. If you're interested in testing any of these changes to the firmware, please email me directly. I'll take the first 20 or so. If all goes well, the new code will be available as a beta release next week.

73 & Happy New Year,

Wayne
N6KR

* * *


MCU 2.32 / DSP 1.32, 12-30-2014

* 60-METER U.S. BAND LIMITS CORRECTED:  CW/DATA, TUNE, and ATU TUNE are now all usable on the lowest and highest channels. Previously, BND END was displayed in some cases. Note: This also applies to other countries where the U.S. band limits are used. 

* RX EQ NO LONGER APPLIED IN DATA MODES: Previously, the RX EQ settings for voice modes were being applied to data modes.

* CHANNEL HOPPING UPDATES PX3 DISPLAY FOR EACH MODE:  When channel hopping is used (by tuning the VFO or scanning), the PX3 display is now updated based on the mode of each channel (frequency memory) in the hop range. This is especially useful on 60 meters, which in some cases includes both CW/DATA and SSB channel allocations. See page 17 of the owner?s manual for scanning/channel-hopping instructions. 

* EXPERIMENTAL CW QSK CHANGE:  Tapping ?3? (APF) in the CW WGHT menu entry selects either OLD QSK (original) or NEW QSK (which purges the DSP?s audio pipeline on every key-down). NEW QSK may reduce audio artifacts heard in the receiver during CW keying on a noisy band, at the expense of a longer receive-recovery time. We hope to improve this further in a future release.



From wes at triconet.org  Fri Jan  2 13:43:15 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 11:43:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] adjusting the K3 to not over-drive an amplifier
In-Reply-To: <001b01d026a6$a9cd1200$fd673600$@com>
References: <mailman.2844.1420161808.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001b01d026a6$a9cd1200$fd673600$@com>
Message-ID: <54A6E6C3.7030501@triconet.org>

Since your amplifier is rated only to SWR <= 1.5 maybe that is the issue. What's 
the fault indicator telling you?

Wes  N7WS



  On 1/2/2015 9:10 AM, Tom Whiteside wrote:
> I've had my K3 for 8 years now and just love it...  My only complaint is
> that in SSB I have trouble throttling the power back enough to not
> occasionally trip an Alpha 87A.  The K3 just ignores the reins and charges
> ahead...   I notice this on a 40M sked where my antenna is close to 2:1 SWR
> - It doesn't seem to misbehave into a dummy load so I'm thinking it is
> related to that...  (The antenna is a beam stack on a tower over 400 feet
> away and not pointing at me so it's not an RFI issue...)  I've rerun the
> power calibration routines with no difference noted.  Headset is a
> Radiosport and mic gain is down to 5 compression level of 11.
>
> I know this group will be able to tell me just how to correct this.
>
> Tom N5TW
>


From k2mk at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 13:59:19 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:59:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] adjusting the K3 to not over-drive an amplifier
In-Reply-To: <001b01d026a6$a9cd1200$fd673600$@com>
References: <001b01d026a6$a9cd1200$fd673600$@com>
Message-ID: <1420225159261-7596676.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Tom,

Since it behaves into a dummy load it's probably the SWR but you could also
take a closer look at the TX gain calibration. Even after running the
calibration routine I have had to touch up the numbers on a couple of bands. 

Take a look at the K3 manual page 62 for TXGN{pwr}. The last paragraph gives
advice on changing the setting manually. Put the K3 on 40 meters, turn off
TX ALC and reduce TXGN slightly. Then turn on TX ALC and give it a try. 

73,
Mike K2MK



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From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 15:24:29 2015
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:24:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 + CW SKIMMER
Message-ID: <CALpA8WhzXPDWo1ciKgiu7aYza0a+j3apAypRciWKSWW4aMZD=w@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to use CW SKIMMER with my K3/P3.
Is there any special needs required?
RC KC5WA

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From dmb at lightstream.net  Fri Jan  2 17:32:33 2015
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:32:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
Message-ID: <62660.71.74.118.201.1420237953.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

I agree 100% about the effectiveness of the NCC-1. I've been using one for
about 3 years, and it is a very well-designed and well-built product. When
coupled with a noise sense antenna that can receive the offending noise at
close to the same level as your primary antenna (give or take 10dB or so),
one can virtually eliminate the offending noise. It offers a lot of
versatility, allowing you to phase a noise antenna against your transmit
antenna, or even two receiving antennas against each other with the output
going to your K3's RX input.

Here's a link to the User's Manual:
<
http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/instructions/dxe-ncc-1_oh.pdf
>

Here's a link to the QST Review:
<
http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/technicalarticles/dxe-ncc-1.pdf
>

73, Dale
WA8SRA

> Hi,
> I had a serious noise issue from some neighbors lights.  I bought an NCC1
> from DXEngineering and an active "noise" antenna from them as well.  It
> can
> get rid of noise almost completely.
> Here is a video of WWV with it on and off.
> http://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi
> A little pricey but well worth it.
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G4GNX
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 6:03 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have really bad noise floor issues at my home QTH in the UK, especially
> on
> 40 metres and below. Some of the issues may be cured as the neighbors?
> Christmas lights are packed away for the year.
>
> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone
> who
> does not own a K3.
>
> My questions:
>
> Are others using this filter in conjunction with a K3 or any other rig
> that
> already has good DSP capabilities?
>
> Can the Timewave product really better the already excellent DSP
> performance
> of the K3?
>
> Surely if the noise is right across the band and actually on top of the
> signals I want to resolve, no amount of processing is going to remove it
> without severely degrading the wanted signal too?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX



From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan  2 17:42:30 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S.Elecraft KFL1-2
Message-ID: <D2F78DBD-4D3F-4A23-911A-36F26F492D52@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang:

I have a like new KFL1-2 40/20M fully builtboard for the K1.

Will ship for $50.

Happy New Year to all.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Jan  2 18:13:17 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:13:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
Message-ID: <71DF3541-46C7-4445-B8DF-528108B71786@me.com>

Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA



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From w1rg at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:25:49 2015
From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS321688BB63E8A124BF922529C5D0@phx.gbl>

Sounds like you need a virtual serial port emulator program.
73
Gil, W1RG

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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</div>
Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA



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From davidahrendts at me.com  Fri Jan  2 18:35:24 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:35:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS321688BB63E8A124BF922529C5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS321688BB63E8A124BF922529C5D0@phx.gbl>
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Thanks Gil. I have plentiful Mac USB physical ports (about 8). So the issue is with the KX3. Got no place to plug it in. :?(

> On Jan 2, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Richard Gillingham <w1rg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you need a virtual serial port emulator program. 
> 73
> Gil, W1RG
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> Date:01/02/2015 6:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc:
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> 
> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
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From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  2 18:44:37 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:44:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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	<FF7B5A53-CB06-4537-85C1-8067227C615E@me.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01d026e6$11ed43c0$35c7cb40$@elecraft.com>

I'm using a Gearmo 4-port USB to Serial adapter (http://www.amazon.com/GearMo%C2%AE-36inch-Windows-Certified-Drivers/dp/B004ETDC8K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420241893&sr=8-1&keywords=gearmo+4-port+usb+to+serial+adapter)

And I've also acquired an 8-port Edgeport from an eBay vendor.

I use a number of KXSER cables for the DE-9 to 3.5 mm transition. I do test software with a KXUSB, but its FTDI chip set seems equivalent to the Gearmo 4-port adapter.

One serial port is used for KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 , they daisy-chain.

One serial port is used for a K3 - P3 daisy chain.

One is used for KAT500

One is used for KPA500

One is used for a W2 or LP-100A (telepost) or XG3. I don't tend to use all of these at once.

I used to use some ABCD DE-9 switches, but prefer to have them all connected and it's easier to pick the combinations I need at once.

There is also the USB hub solution, one hub on your PC might fan out to 4 or 8 USB ports.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ahrendts
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 3:35 PM
To: Richard Gillingham
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

Thanks Gil. I have plentiful Mac USB physical ports (about 8). So the issue is with the KX3. Got no place to plug it in. :?(

> On Jan 2, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Richard Gillingham <w1rg at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you need a virtual serial port emulator program. 
> 73
> Gil, W1RG
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> Date:01/02/2015 6:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc:
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> 
> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
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From nw8l at whitemesa.com  Fri Jan  2 19:07:27 2015
From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Bob NW8L)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 17:07:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
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References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
	<54A6B1B1.6010707@gci.net>
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I have local noise problems which come and go depending on time of 
day, day of week etc. I didn't like the idea of having a noise 
cancelling device in the high power transmit path, so picked up a DX 
Engineering NCC-1 which is perfect for use with my K3, inserted between 
the antenna OUT and antenna IN jacks. I have a horizontally polarized loop 
which I use as the RX antenna on the K3 when I need to fight noise. A 
vertical doublet antenna is used as the transmit antenna, which serves as 
the noise sense antenna in receive when the NCC-1 is active.

To do this, the loop antenna goes to antenna port A on the NCC-1
(receive antenna input), K3 antenna OUT (from the transmit antenna)
goes to antenna port B on the NCC-1 (noise antenna input) and the
output of the NCC-1 goes to the K3 antenna IN. K3 KEY OUT goes to NCC-1 
T/R CTRL to put it in bypass when the K3 is keyed.

Now I have 3 choices:

1. If I then select the RX antenna on the K3, the NCC-1 is inserted and I
use the quieter loop antenna for receive while nulling noise with the 
NCC-1 controls.
2. If I don't select the RX antenna on the K3, the NCC-1 is bypassed, and 
the transmit antenna is used for receive.
3. If I select the RX antenna on the K3, but turn the NCC-1 OFF, then I 
receive on the loop antenna, but the signal passes straight through the 
NCC-1 from antenna port A to the output without modification (sometimes 
that's all that's needed, it's much quieter than the vertical when it 
comes to the nearby noise pollution sources).

The NCC-1 can provide a very deep null on the receive loop antenna for 
vertically polarized noise which is "heard" better on the vertical. The 
trick is to correctly balance the levels of the two antenna inputs on the 
NCC-1. The balance and phase controls are very precise and repeatable, and 
the phase control has a wide range. Having the P3 to look at helps 
in identifying the noise and finding what can be a very sharp (but deep) 
null.

There are complications. One is that when the NCC-1 is active I need to 
disable full QSK on the K3 in CW mode so that the internal bypass relay 
in the NCC-1 doesn't make a lot of noise as it follows the keying.

The other involves antenna tuners. I use a KAT500, and if a frequency 
change causes it to recall new L and C settings then the NCC-1 
phase setting may need to be touched up because the phase of the noise 
signal from the transmit antenna is changed (and the NCC-1 null can be 
very sharp indeed).

But for me the benefits have far outweighed the costs.

Bob NW8L


On Fri, 2 Jan 2015, Jim Wiley wrote:

> We use a NCC1 here also, although with just a low 75 and 40 meter trap 
> dipole for the noise pickup antenna.  It is very successful in 
> eliminating noise from the neighbor's plasma TV, and other noise sources 
> that originate in our neighborhood from time to time.  It only works on 
> one noise at a time, of course, but  most of the time that is enough.
>
> - Jim, KL7CC
>

From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  2 19:16:12 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:16:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
In-Reply-To: <80CA4A9E-1F1A-4130-8A58-3710C36DA0E6@me.com>
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	<FF7B5A53-CB06-4537-85C1-8067227C615E@me.com>
	<01eb01d026e6$11ed43c0$35c7cb40$@elecraft.com>
	<80CA4A9E-1F1A-4130-8A58-3710C36DA0E6@me.com>
Message-ID: <022701d026ea$7bcbf030$7363d090$@elecraft.com>

RS-232 is not a multipoint protocol.  

 

Dick

 

 

From: David Ahrendts [mailto:davidahrendts at me.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 4:03 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

 

Dick, interesting. I wonder if anyone has used the USB hub idea to make a multiple port daisy-chained ACC1 interface? So can ACC1 be hubbed? Could I create multiple ports from the KX3 ACC1 combining the PX3, the KXPA100, and my Mac running radio control software? Anyone done that with the KX3 Line?

 

On Jan 2, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com> > wrote:

 

I'm using a Gearmo 4-port USB to Serial adapter ( <http://www.amazon.com/GearMo%C2%AE-36inch-Windows-Certified-Drivers/dp/B004ETDC8K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420241893&sr=8-1&keywords=gearmo+4-port+usb+to+serial+adapter> http://www.amazon.com/GearMo%C2%AE-36inch-Windows-Certified-Drivers/dp/B004ETDC8K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1420241893&sr=8-1&keywords=gearmo+4-port+usb+to+serial+adapter)

And I've also acquired an 8-port Edgeport from an eBay vendor.

I use a number of KXSER cables for the DE-9 to 3.5 mm transition. I do test software with a KXUSB, but its FTDI chip set seems equivalent to the Gearmo 4-port adapter.

One serial port is used for KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 , they daisy-chain.

One serial port is used for a K3 - P3 daisy chain.

One is used for KAT500

One is used for KPA500

One is used for a W2 or LP-100A (telepost) or XG3. I don't tend to use all of these at once.

I used to use some ABCD DE-9 switches, but prefer to have them all connected and it's easier to pick the combinations I need at once.

There is also the USB hub solution, one hub on your PC might fan out to 4 or 8 USB ports.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [ <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ahrendts
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 3:35 PM
To: Richard Gillingham
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

Thanks Gil. I have plentiful Mac USB physical ports (about 8). So the issue is with the KX3. Got no place to plug it in. :?(




On Jan 2, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Richard Gillingham <w1rg at hotmail.com <mailto:w1rg at hotmail.com> > wrote:

Sounds like you need a virtual serial port emulator program. 
73
Gil, W1RG

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
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Date:01/02/2015 6:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Cc:
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan  2 19:29:36 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:29:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 + K2/10
Message-ID: <54A737F0.9020003@foothill.net>

Will a KXPA100 work with a K2/10?  I'm looking for a 
more-than-10W-capability for a possible county expedition in the 7QP, 
and maybe elsewhere.  I sold my KPA100 [in the lid] amp because I got 
tired of switching between the 100W lid and QRP lid [and turned a trace 
into a fuse when I cross connected the 12V and Aux RF plugs].

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:58:24 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:58:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 + K2/10
In-Reply-To: <54A737F0.9020003@foothill.net>
References: <54A737F0.9020003@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <A54917F3-9457-40C9-BF13-34871C34C8EC@gmail.com>

Yes, it works very well, especially with the KXAT100 equipped. If your K2/10 doesn?t already have a key out line, you may need to add one, eg. 
http://www.mwrs.org.au/2014/04/20/elecraft-k2-amplifier-keying-circuit/ <http://www.mwrs.org.au/2014/04/20/elecraft-k2-amplifier-keying-circuit/>

73, Matt VK2RQ.

> On 2 Jan 2015, at 7:29 pm, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Will a KXPA100 work with a K2/10?  I'm looking for a more-than-10W-capability for a possible county expedition in the 7QP, and maybe elsewhere.  I sold my KPA100 [in the lid] amp because I got tired of switching between the 100W lid and QRP lid [and turned a trace into a fuse when I cross connected the 12V and Aux RF plugs].
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Fri Jan  2 19:59:04 2015
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:59:04 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] =?big5?b?pl7C0KFSICBLWFBBMTAwICsgSzIvMTA=?=
In-Reply-To: <54A737F0.9020003@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1420246744.15865.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web193502.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

Kxpa100 not only works with kx3 but also other non-elecraft radios, hence no problem with k2. If u don't need 100w, Hardrock hr50+internal atu will be a good choice at much lower price.

?? Yahoo ???? Android ?


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jan  2 21:43:40 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:43:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1501021537160.30146@chishio.swcp.com>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<B98E6DCC55AF416BBA745554166299EA@tomsPC>
	<54A6B1B1.6010707@gci.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1501021537160.30146@chishio.swcp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts79TAPh=QdKa2meiD2kW-cfR7PWY-MzLa26YYm4D55Mdw@mail.gmail.com>

For those with the NCC1, how has it been on 20M as that is my worst band
(assuming it is 1 type of noise)?

It was my local noise that caused me to build my entire remote base.
However, the addition of such may help me with using my home station at
times.

Mike va3mw


>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan  2 22:36:22 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:36:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
Message-ID: <54A763B6.9070509@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/2/2015 3:03 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by someone who does not own a K3.

I had one that I tried to use with a Ten Tec Omni V. I found it next to 
useless. Yes, it does narrowband audio filters, but they're no better 
than what's in the Omni V, and there's a lot of audio distortion because 
the audio stages are poorly designed.

This product is a real dud.

73, Jim K9YC

From k9fd at flex.com  Fri Jan  2 23:07:20 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:07:20 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <54A763B6.9070509@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C26AFBBB78574070850FD248AFF9F7DB@Paramount>
	<54A763B6.9070509@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54A76AF8.80704@flex.com>

Have to second that Jim,   I also had one I tried to use with a Omni 6 
plus and it was zero
help at all,   I tried the speaker mounted version 59 something for the 
FT-1000D and it
also was useless,  for me at least,  sold both and sure have not missed 
them.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6

> On Fri,1/2/2015 3:03 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> I?ve been recommended to buy a Timewave DSP-599zx DSP filter by 
>> someone who does not own a K3.
>
> I had one that I tried to use with a Ten Tec Omni V. I found it next 
> to useless. Yes, it does narrowband audio filters, but they're no 
> better than what's in the Omni V, and there's a lot of audio 
> distortion because the audio stages are poorly designed.
>
> This product is a real dud.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From jbollit at ymail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:28:03 2015
From: jbollit at ymail.com (Jim)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 20:28:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
Message-ID: <875B3A0E-3DE9-4A17-A58F-3A33C035C7AD@ymail.com>

I have the Timewave, the NCC-1, a MFJ-1026 noise canceller, beverages and commercial mag loops, and my comments are:

1.  I find the Timewave Noise reduction is of little value, the K3 NR is superior
2.  The Timewave has an EXCELLENT audio amplifier and completely removes the "hash" from the K3 audio.  I use Bose QC-15 earphones that reproduce high frequencies very well.  
3.  The Timewave DSP filters have little ringing and are steep.  I adjust the low freq 
cutoff to 300 Hz and the high freq to 1,200 Hz.  This TOTALLY eliminates the "hash"from the K3 audio.
4.  If you have an rf noise issue, the Timewave will not help any more than what the K3 does.
5.  The MFJ does work as advertised, but it is difficult to adjust.  When adjusted, it does give great nulls.
6.  The NCC-1 also works as advertised, and is far easier to adjust.  
7.  The "noise antenna" is VERY important to the performance of any noise canceller.
8.  Loops are great to null a single noise source.  It is inferior to a directive (gain) antenna. 

I went totally overkill for my physical location in California, with two PRO 1B loops and two phasers that can address two noise sources.  I no longer have the room for beverages, which were the best with a phaser for 160-40 meters for my physical location

Jim
W6AIM








Sent from my iPad

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sat Jan  3 02:47:50 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:47:50 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Timewave DSP-599zx
In-Reply-To: <875B3A0E-3DE9-4A17-A58F-3A33C035C7AD@ymail.com>
References: <875B3A0E-3DE9-4A17-A58F-3A33C035C7AD@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <6D29D28459394AAF992EA4CFB95029C5@DavidPC>

Hi Jim

May I ask you about your system for mixing rx antennas? How do you arrange 
the double mixing? I have this in mind and I already have a 1026 and could 
buy a NCC-1. I have a selection of HF aerials going up which I can use for 
rx on 160, possibly even in diversity mode with the K3. We have neighbours 
all around with various noise sources.

Re the hash from your K3: do you have that mod fitted that puts a sharp cut 
off audio filter in the K3? I recall it was originally made for a weak 
artifact >12kHz some experienced way back. You said "high freq to 1,200 Hz," 
did you really mean that?

Sorry for the thread drift.

73

David
G3UNA


>I have the Timewave, the NCC-1, a MFJ-1026 noise canceller, beverages and 
>commercial mag loops, and my comments are:
>
> 1. I find the Timewave Noise reduction is of little value, the K3 NR is 
> superior
> 2. The Timewave has an EXCELLENT audio amplifier and completely removes 
> the "hash" from the K3 audio. I use Bose QC-15 earphones that reproduce 
> high frequencies very well.
> 3. The Timewave DSP filters have little ringing and are steep. I adjust 
> the low freq
> cutoff to 300 Hz and the high freq to 1,200 Hz. This TOTALLY eliminates 
> the "hash"from the K3 audio.
> 4. If you have an rf noise issue, the Timewave will not help any more than 
> what the K3 does.
> 5. The MFJ does work as advertised, but it is difficult to adjust. When 
> adjusted, it does give great nulls.
> 6. The NCC-1 also works as advertised, and is far easier to adjust.
> 7. The "noise antenna" is VERY important to the performance of any noise 
> canceller.
> 8. Loops are great to null a single noise source. It is inferior to a 
> directive (gain) antenna.
>
> I went totally overkill for my physical location in California, with two 
> PRO 1B loops and two phasers that can address two noise sources. I no 
> longer have the room for beverages, which were the best with a phaser for 
> 160-40 meters for my physical location
>
> Jim
> W6AIM 


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 04:11:40 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
In-Reply-To: <1420186038429-7596662.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420186038429-7596662.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A0C2568B-AC28-49FA-B02F-B662099D8ED9@yahoo.co.uk>

I observe this pause too. The main VFO does not move while the NR or NB setting display is showing. I am not sure if this was always like this or not.

Perhaps someone with an earlier version of firmware would like to check and comment?

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 2 Jan 2015, at 08:07, JE0LFI <anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, Happy New Year 2015!
> 
> In version 2.27, when you turn on the NR or NB of KX3, will not move the
> main dial.
> 
> Is this a specification, or bug of v2.27?
> 
> ---
> 
> JE0LFI / Nakamura
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-MCU-2-27-BUG-NB-NR-mode-tp7596662.html
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 05:12:56 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:12:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
In-Reply-To: <71DF3541-46C7-4445-B8DF-528108B71786@me.com>
References: <71DF3541-46C7-4445-B8DF-528108B71786@me.com>
Message-ID: <336B95F3-DCF4-4327-9ADA-DD36B40E717C@yahoo.co.uk>

Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 07:35:30 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:35:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT]K2
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAADhyEvYv1DNPvosYKQUA7OUBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAADhyEvYv1DNPvosYKQUA7OUBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <6E21A198-FE3D-4CF6-BA64-0AEBA29874E9@gmail.com>

(looks like the message only came to me, but was intended for a wider audience, so I?ll reply to the Elecraft list)

If you followed the procedure ?exactly like described in the manual?, then this will get you on air, but may not give the optimum result. You should use Spectrogram or something similar, so you can visually that it has been set up properly. There is some information on doing this here:
http://www.w3fpr.com/step_3.html <http://www.w3fpr.com/step_3.html>

73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 3 Jan 2015, at 6:35 am, Behiels jean-Pierre <on4aef at telenet.be> wrote:
> 
> <image001.jpg>
>  
>  
> Hi K2 members and users;
>  
> Majory I like to receive some impressions and experiences from other K2 users.
> I bought quit a year ago a K2 kit,witch operates fabulous no matter about that.
> But after playing around a while in CW and SSB I like to talk about my experiences around the receiving signals !
> I now,the K2 above all is a CW radio not a SSB radio ,some guys told me before (I hope to is true,correct me if I am wrong hi )
> Every time I switch between CW and SSB mode I do have the idee I receive a lot more on SSB
> I always receive the impression that the bandwidth on CW is to small for confortable listening to CW signals ?
> When I switch to SSB and tune to the same received signal,it sounds more comfortable on my ears 
> Before giving remarks around,I must told and I can confirm that all my settings have been done ?exactly like described in the manual? .
> I have always the impression there is something wrong on CW mode and specially around receiving CW signals.
> I now that the bandwidth of the filters for CW are smaller than those for SSB use ?
> It always could be possible that I have not any confidance with those manner of receiving signals.
> But I do play CW more than 35 years now hi.. 
> But I must say,I like more the CW receiving signals on a old FT1000D than on my K2 ?
> I do hear a lot of more signals in SSB mode,also from nabers behind and around the band.
> Also tune-in exactly on a CW signal is more easyer in SSB than in CW mode due the fact of bandwidth !!.
> In CW I loose very quick the CW signal by tuning on the VFO dial !!
> The CW signal dissepears quickly by turning around,this is somethimes difficult by very small signal strengths.
> In SSB I do have not this matter,I found every signal very quickly back even when spotted on a wrong DX cluster frequency hi hi (what happens somethimes by use of a DX cluster)
> I easy loose somethimes a CW station and it is difficult to find it again but turning around even with the dial is his smallest tuning range.
> I am quit sure there is nothing around about failures or so,on my homebuild K2 kit but I found this sometimes reason to some confusion by listening the CW small signals
> I am curious of some K2 users have the same impressions ?
> And of couse I am not God but it could always be possible that I have do something wrong in the allignement of the filters or so.
> This last depense on,how I have understood the allignement procedure correctly !!!
> Behind this story I stay a big Elecraft fan nothing about that,it stays for my a fabulous and well engineered radio and building kit !!
>  
> Happy new year to the whole Elecraft team and members and users.
>  
>  
> 73?s Jean ON4AEF.


From ormandj at corenode.com  Sat Jan  3 08:33:41 2015
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:33:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
In-Reply-To: <71DF3541-46C7-4445-B8DF-528108B71786@me.com>
References: <71DF3541-46C7-4445-B8DF-528108B71786@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45ov---GuU2zh-dcDThmfxwkuBGoDoZpPrZYGLsyB1b4ow@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm understanding your question properly, going by memory, I had the
KXUSB plugged into the KXPA100 with that setup, and was able to use
computer-control of the KX3. I *think* I was turning off the PX3 when I was
flashing the KX3 firmware, but it's been a bit so don't quote me on that
being necessary.

David

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 5:13 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:

> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of
> inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of
> the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for
> radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port?
> None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
>
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  3 09:00:15 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT]K2
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAAAbBX0V6ol9BuIPo788LBMUBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAAAbBX0V6ol9BuIPo788LBMUBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <54A7F5EF.6020601@embarqmail.com>

Jean,

It sounds like the variable width filters are always narrow or that you 
have some other filter problem.  The easiest way to understand what is 
happening is to use Spectrogram to observe the filter passband.  Go to 
my website www.w3fpr.com and you can find links to 2 freeware versions 
of Spectrogram near the bottom of the opening page.  If you are running 
Linux, it will run under WINE.  If you are running a MAC, you will have 
to find an alternate audio spectrum analyzer.

You could do a quick check on the variable filter without Spectrogram.  
Measure the voltage on D31, D31, D32, and D33 as you change from one CW 
filter to another.  If the voltage is always zero or does not change, 
then the control voltage to the filter is not working (zero voltage will 
mean that the filter width will always be very narrow).

One temporary work-around is to use the OP1 filter for wide CW 
reception.   Change the CW FL1 filter to OP1 and use the same BFO 
settings that you have set for SSB FL1.  CW is LSB and CW REV is USB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/3/2015 6:40 AM, Behiels jean-Pierre wrote:
>
> Hi K2 members and users;
>
> Majory I like to receive some impressions and experiences from other 
> K2 users.
>
> I bought quit a year ago a K2 kit,witch operates fabulous no matter 
> about that.
>
> But after playing around a while in CW and SSB I like to talk about my 
> experiences around the receiving signals !
>
> I now,the K2 above all is a CW radio not a SSB radio ,some guys told 
> me before (I hope to is true,correct me if I am wrong hi )
>
> Every time I switch between CW and SSB mode I do have the idee I 
> receive a lot more on SSB
>
> I always receive the impression that the bandwidth on CW is to small 
> for confortable listening to CW signals ?
>
> When I switch to SSB and tune to the same received signal,it sounds 
> more comfortable on my ears
>
> Before giving remarks around,I must told and I can confirm that all my 
> settings have been done ?exactly like described in the manual? .
> I have always the impression there is something wrong on CW mode and 
> specially around receiving CW signals.
>
>


From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 09:31:53 2015
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
In-Reply-To: <A0C2568B-AC28-49FA-B02F-B662099D8ED9@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <1420186038429-7596662.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A0C2568B-AC28-49FA-B02F-B662099D8ED9@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKeH_y_SDs0a2BpkFpVu1XObw1RZt_NbOedMGLeoobiPAA@mail.gmail.com>

I tried this out last night and had different results.  I was able to tune
with no problem with both or either NB or NR selected.  But, I did notice
that if I selected say NR and then changed the value to something else say
4 instead of 5, then I had to click another button (or the NR button) again
to be able to tune.  If I was satisfied with the NR or NB setting after
having selected that function, then about 3 seconds later the KX3 just
accepted that value and returned me to normal operations;  i.e, I was able
to tune with the main vfo knob.

David, I think this is consistent with your results as well.  You can't
move on until you finish with that function.

Regards
Brian
VE3IBW
On Jan 3, 2015 4:12 AM, "David Anderson" <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I observe this pause too. The main VFO does not move while the NR or NB
> setting display is showing. I am not sure if this was always like this or
> not.
>
> Perhaps someone with an earlier version of firmware would like to check
> and comment?
>
> 73
>
> David Anderson GM4JJJ
>
> > On 2 Jan 2015, at 08:07, JE0LFI <anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, Happy New Year 2015!
> >
> > In version 2.27, when you turn on the NR or NB of KX3, will not move the
> > main dial.
> >
> > Is this a specification, or bug of v2.27?
> >
> > ---
> >
> > JE0LFI / Nakamura
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-MCU-2-27-BUG-NB-NR-mode-tp7596662.html
> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  3 10:20:15 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:20:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf

73 de Dick, K6KR



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 10:29:03 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 15:29:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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Sorry Dick, I was asking the OP how he had his KX3 and KAT500 connected, I had not read the subject line where he mentioned the KXPA100 and PX3 as well, so I couldn't understand why he anything connected to ACC1 on the KX3.

The diagram you link to certainly explains clearly that in that configuration you can plug a PC into the KXPA100 PC RS232 connector which will be available. 

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 3 Jan 2015, at 15:20, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
> To: David Ahrendts
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> 
> Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
>> 
>> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kg5eju at dlaab.com  Sat Jan  3 10:31:43 2015
From: kg5eju at dlaab.com (kg5eju)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 09:31:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Directional Couplers
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100 Watt station with 2 antenna.  Need a second coupler of the W2.  First one is 200 watt, and thinking of adding a 2000 watt coupler for the second (future proofing for possible linear).  But, wondering if there is some accuracy/performance trade-off using a 2000 watt coupler on a 100 watt station?

Thank you for your thoughts.

73 - Dan

From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Jan  3 10:35:31 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 07:35:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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Dick, yes. As on page 9, all of the connectors are in use for the KX3, the PX3 and the KPXA100 per the Elecraft design. Ergo, my dilemma: where would a KXUSB go?
David A., see page 9 of the PDF Dick uploaded. This is the Elecraft design for all ports and cables when using the KX3, the PX3 in line with the KXPA100. 
David O. and David A., if you?re suggesting using the ACC1 available port on the KXPA100 (end of the daisy chain), I have tried that, and unfortunately this causes a new problem: the KX3 refuses to enter the PA Mode with the KXUSB connected. Menu>PA Mode>On will not stick. It just falls back to Off. 

David A., KC0XT 


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Anderson
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
> To: David Ahrendts
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> 
> Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
>> 
>> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp  Sat Jan  3 10:41:23 2015
From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (JE0LFI)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:41:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
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Hi Brian / VE3IBW, David / GM4JJJ

While setting PBT I/II , I was able to tune the main knob. 

As with this, While setting NR/NB, I should be able to tune the main knob.

#Turning the PBT knob in NR/NB setting, PBT settings are changed(set and
exit NR/NB).
#If the same as this manner, I should be able to tune the main knob...OR KX3
should not
#change in PBT setting mode.

However, this is GUI design concept...

#TNX for GM4JJJ GPS Clock for OS X!

73

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From ormandj at corenode.com  Sat Jan  3 11:31:32 2015
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:31:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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Hi David, keep the PX3 off, turn on PA mode on the KX3, then turn on the
PX3, and see if that works. I remember running into an order-of-operations
problem like this before, worth a try at least. I don't have my setup
connected right now or I'd figure out what I was doing to make things jive.

David

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:

> Dick, yes. As on page 9, all of the connectors are in use for the KX3, the
> PX3 and the KPXA100 per the Elecraft design. Ergo, my dilemma: where would
> a KXUSB go?
> David A., see page 9 of the PDF Dick uploaded. This is the Elecraft design
> for all ports and cables when using the KX3, the PX3 in line with the
> KXPA100.
> David O. and David A., if you?re suggesting using the ACC1 available port
> on the KXPA100 (end of the daisy chain), I have tried that, and
> unfortunately this causes a new problem: the KX3 refuses to enter the PA
> Mode with the KXUSB connected. Menu>PA Mode>On will not stick. It just
> falls back to Off.
>
> David A., KC0XT
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.
> >
> > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf
> >
> > 73 de Dick, K6KR
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> David Anderson
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
> > To: David Ahrendts
> > Cc: Elecraft List
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> >
> > Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at
> present?
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > David Anderson GM4JJJ
> >
> >> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out
> of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all
> of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3
> for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port?
> None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> >>
> >> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  3 11:43:08 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:43:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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At the bottom of the picture on page 9 it shows the 3.5mm connector plugging into the KXPA100 RS232 (PC) connector. It says ?to personal computer?.  That cable may be a KXUSB (if you want USB to serial) or a KXSER (if you have a DE-9 RS-232 connector). I use a KXUSB sometimes, and sometimes I use a KXSER to my Edgeport 8-port USB to serial adapter.

 

 

 

Dick

 

 

From: David Ahrendts [mailto:davidahrendts at me.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:36 AM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: David Anderson; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

 

Dick, yes. As on page 9, all of the connectors are in use for the KX3, the PX3 and the KPXA100 per the Elecraft design. Ergo, my dilemma: where would a KXUSB go?

David A., see page 9 of the PDF Dick uploaded. This is the Elecraft design for all ports and cables when using the KX3, the PX3 in line with the KXPA100. 

David O. and David A., if you?re suggesting using the ACC1 available port on the KXPA100 (end of the daisy chain), I have tried that, and unfortunately this causes a new problem: the KX3 refuses to enter the PA Mode with the KXUSB connected. Menu>PA Mode>On will not stick. It just falls back to Off. 

 

David A., KC0XT 

 

 

On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com> > wrote:

 

I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf

73 de Dick, K6KR



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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
To: David Ahrendts
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs

Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 




On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com> > wrote:

Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA



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From n5ib at juno.com  Sat Jan  3 11:49:54 2015
From: n5ib at juno.com (n5ib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
Message-ID: <20150103.104954.40288.5.n5ib@juno.com>

I picked up some more parts, enough to make a few (<10) more Bluetooth
serial  interfaces.
These are designed for the K2/KIO2, but can be used with K3 or KX3.

See http://n5ib.net/Index.xht

There's enough info there to roll your own.

73
Jim, N5IB

From tomw at ecpi.com  Sat Jan  3 11:54:53 2015
From: tomw at ecpi.com (Tom Whiteside)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:54:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] adjusting the K3 to not over-drive an
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Thanks Wes and thanks for the other comments I received - especially an
offline exchange with WB6RSE.  Looks like my stack has developed a problem
that has increased the SWR and that is the entire problem.  It has always
been marginal on the SSB side of things and the additional degradation has
just pushed things over the edge...

Tom N5TW

>Since your amplifier is rated only to SWR <= 1.5 maybe that is the issue.
What's 
>the fault indicator telling you?
>
> Wes  N7WS


>  On 1/2/2015 9:10 AM, Tom Whiteside wrote:
>> I've had my K3 for 8 years now and just love it...  My only complaint is
>> that in SSB I have trouble throttling the power back enough to not
>> occasionally trip an Alpha 87A.  The K3 just ignores the reins and
charges
>> ahead...   I notice this on a 40M sked where my antenna is close to 2:1
SWR
>> - It doesn't seem to misbehave into a dummy load so I'm thinking it is
>> related to that...  (The antenna is a beam stack on a tower over 400 feet
>> away and not pointing at me so it's not an RFI issue...)  I've rerun the
>> power calibration routines with no difference noted.  Headset is a
>> Radiosport and mic gain is down to 5 compression level of 11.
>>
>> I know this group will be able to tell me just how to correct this.
>>
>> Tom N5TW



From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Jan  3 12:15:05 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 09:15:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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David, BINGO. Your sequencing suggestion worked. I have the KXUSB plugged into the KXPA100 ACC2 PC port (correcting myself, it?s the ACC2 port and not ACC1 on the KXPA100) and that is connected to my Mac mini USB. Turned on the KX3, leaving the PX3 off. Set PA Mode to On and it stayed. Then turned on the PX3, and all is sailing along smoothly. I then brought up the KX3 utility program and it initialized beautiful finding the KX3 in the daisy chain.
Thanks much gentlemen. This gets me into RTTY with FLDigi and cocoaModem, MacLoggerDX, etc. YAY!
#HapyNewYear to you all.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA 

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 8:31 AM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David, keep the PX3 off, turn on PA mode on the KX3, then turn on the PX3, and see if that works. I remember running into an order-of-operations problem like this before, worth a try at least. I don't have my setup connected right now or I'd figure out what I was doing to make things jive.
> 
> David
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
> Dick, yes. As on page 9, all of the connectors are in use for the KX3, the PX3 and the KPXA100 per the Elecraft design. Ergo, my dilemma: where would a KXUSB go?
> David A., see page 9 of the PDF Dick uploaded. This is the Elecraft design for all ports and cables when using the KX3, the PX3 in line with the KXPA100.
> David O. and David A., if you?re suggesting using the ACC1 available port on the KXPA100 (end of the daisy chain), I have tried that, and unfortunately this causes a new problem: the KX3 refuses to enter the PA Mode with the KXUSB connected. Menu>PA Mode>On will not stick. It just falls back to Off.
> 
> David A., KC0XT
> 
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.
> >
> > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf>
> >
> > 73 de Dick, K6KR
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of David Anderson
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
> > To: David Ahrendts
> > Cc: Elecraft List
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
> >
> > Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > David Anderson GM4JJJ
> >
> >> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
> >>
> >> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> >>
> >>
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From nskousen at talisman-intl.com  Sat Jan  3 12:17:24 2015
From: nskousen at talisman-intl.com (Niel Skousen)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 RX issues
In-Reply-To: <546E6F62.3010801@elecraft.com>
References: <FC010048-2784-4529-B53C-D196514073D7@ecsecurityinc.com>
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Good Morning List,

My KX3 has a quirk that has persisted thru a factory service visit.   I'm hoping someone here has seen this before and can give me pointers on how to resolve this.

I have a very unusual 40m behavior.   I just spent a couple hours re-doing all the sideband nulling and verifying that on 40m I have a very deep null (-30 dBv) on 'center freq' as defined by the 'spot' frequency.

Previously I'd documented this, but had not checked all bands.  Today I checked every band, and it is only on 40m.   I have confirmed manual notch is OFF.    Configuration is as received from Elecraft after the RSA (which resets all the sideband nulling on an automated fixture, followed by a tech verifying since that was part of the complaint).  AF is set to 17   Note that the center tuned signal (from the PX3 calibrator) generates AFV = 1173 on all bands ( basically RX Vmax I'd assume).  The data points below correspond to the CWT symbol and the major 'tick' left and right of CWT.    

Config:
- AF = 17
- Notch = off
- Mode = CW
- BW = .350
- Base Freq = 7.199 MHz

               (L)          (CWT)     (R)
Freq      99.41         99.46     99.52
AFV         533            15          568

This effect is -30 dBv over less than 100 hz, and compared to other bands its down -38 dBv
So I'm at a loss on where to find what I've mis-configured.    Any suggestions or idea's ?

Niel
WA7SSA



From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Jan  3 13:11:28 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:11:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
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Correcting myself yet again: the KXPA100 port is labeled "RS232 PC?  ? guessing that is the same as ACC1.

David A., KC0XT

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 9:15 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> David, BINGO. Your sequencing suggestion worked. I have the KXUSB plugged into the KXPA100 ACC2 PC port (correcting myself, it?s the ACC2 port and not ACC1 on the KXPA100) and that is connected to my Mac mini USB. Turned on the KX3, leaving the PX3 off. Set PA Mode to On and it stayed. Then turned on the PX3, and all is sailing along smoothly. I then brought up the KX3 utility program and it initialized beautiful finding the KX3 in the daisy chain.
> Thanks much gentlemen. This gets me into RTTY with FLDigi and cocoaModem, MacLoggerDX, etc. YAY!
> #HapyNewYear to you all.
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 8:31 AM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David, keep the PX3 off, turn on PA mode on the KX3, then turn on the PX3, and see if that works. I remember running into an order-of-operations problem like this before, worth a try at least. I don't have my setup connected right now or I'd figure out what I was doing to make things jive.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>> Dick, yes. As on page 9, all of the connectors are in use for the KX3, the PX3 and the KPXA100 per the Elecraft design. Ergo, my dilemma: where would a KXUSB go?
>> David A., see page 9 of the PDF Dick uploaded. This is the Elecraft design for all ports and cables when using the KX3, the PX3 in line with the KXPA100.
>> David O. and David A., if you?re suggesting using the ACC1 available port on the KXPA100 (end of the daisy chain), I have tried that, and unfortunately this causes a new problem: the KX3 refuses to enter the PA Mode with the KXUSB connected. Menu>PA Mode>On will not stick. It just falls back to Off.
>> 
>> David A., KC0XT
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have it connected as shown on page 9 of the PX3 owner's manual.
>>> 
>>> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3%20Owner's%20Manual%20A2%20WEB.pdf>
>>> 
>>> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of David Anderson
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:13 AM
>>> To: David Ahrendts
>>> Cc: Elecraft List
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3+KXPA100+PX3 = Outta Inputs/Outputs
>>> 
>>> Can you explain what you have connected to the ACC1 port on the KX3 at present?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> David Anderson GM4JJJ
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Jan 2015, at 23:13, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Got the KX3 Line. KAT500 and W2 also. Love ?em. Now, I appear to be out of inputs and outputs with little lines running between the boxes and all of the inputs/outputs in use. What do you do to get a KXUSB into the KX3 for radio control from a variety of software programs into an ACC1 PC port? None available. Can the ACC1 port be Y?d?
>>>> 
>>>> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From k0com at arrl.net  Sat Jan  3 13:27:17 2015
From: k0com at arrl.net (Michael Sell)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 12:27:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio reports
Message-ID: <54A83485.4070806@arrl.net>

New to the list, looking for some input on Audio Quality and a discovery 
made by myself and another owner.  This may be old hat, but hope to find 
out the cause.

Since buying my K3 secondhand, I have always received audio quality 
reports from "sounds like rf in your audio" to "rough sounding audio, 
especially at the peaks", or "your audio sound hollow or distorted"

I've been all over the place trying to fix this.  Grounding mods, 
ferrite filters, sold the KPA500 and got a new amp, even got rid of my 
EV RE 20 and Symetrics 528E and went with a Heil Pro 30 straight into 
the radio.  Still the same reports!

Finally got on with two other K3 owners and did some testing.  We found 
that for two of us, we had the same problem and same audio. One did 
not.  We found that for two of us the problem was solved by advancing 
the compressor setting to at least 16 with 21 being the best setting.  
The audio in both our K3's smoothed out and now sounded excellent.  
Below a 16 setting the audio issue began and progressively got worse 
down to 0.

My questions is why?  I have never been a proponent of running 
compression.  I'm doing it and since I started, I'm now getting 
excellent audio reports.  The other odd thing is that the 3rd ham in 
this test did not experience bad audio with the compressor turned down 
or off.  We are all running the same firmware version.  Could it be 
something in the set up of the ALC in the audio section or is this a 
known bug?

Thanks for listening...
73
K0COM
Mike
Bloomington, MN




From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  3 13:29:50 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:29:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
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When you're displaying noise blanker or or noise reduction parameters, etc., the VFO is disabled.

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:11 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I observe this pause too. The main VFO does not move while the NR or NB setting display is showing. I am not sure if this was always like this or not.
> 
> Perhaps someone with an earlier version of firmware would like to check and comment?
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2015, at 08:07, JE0LFI <anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, Happy New Year 2015!
>> 
>> In version 2.27, when you turn on the NR or NB of KX3, will not move the
>> main dial.
>> 
>> Is this a specification, or bug of v2.27?
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> JE0LFI / Nakamura
>> 
>> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 13:40:33 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:40:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] MCU 2.27 BUG NB/NR mode
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Thanks for clarifying that. It's not something that had bothered me, but I just observed it after Nakamura asked the question about the behaviour of the VFO with NB/NR. I had thought at first he meant it stopped the VFO completely, not just a short pause while displaying the parameters - which I am sure there are technical reasons for.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 3 Jan 2015, at 18:29, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> When you're displaying noise blanker or or noise reduction parameters, etc., the VFO is disabled.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
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> 
>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 1:11 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I observe this pause too. The main VFO does not move while the NR or NB setting display is showing. I am not sure if this was always like this or not.
>> 
>> Perhaps someone with an earlier version of firmware would like to check and comment?
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2015, at 08:07, JE0LFI <anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, Happy New Year 2015!
>>> 
>>> In version 2.27, when you turn on the NR or NB of KX3, will not move the
>>> main dial.
>>> 
>>> Is this a specification, or bug of v2.27?
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> JE0LFI / Nakamura
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan  3 13:45:49 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 10:45:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 RX issues
In-Reply-To: <07C67244-2936-40C6-86A4-7B02C25D457A@talisman-intl.com>
References: <FC010048-2784-4529-B53C-D196514073D7@ecsecurityinc.com>
	<546E2341.9080400@elecraft.com>
	<B139C445-D492-4DC1-8696-591834039A94@ecsecurityinc.com>
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Message-ID: <7B4B39AF-4417-4C93-8759-EEDA7D073428@elecraft.com>

Niel,

Please email me directly with a description of how you are setting up the radio and how you're doing the nulling procedure. I also need to know:

- whether you're using the internal speaker or headphones

- how you're coupling the PX3's signal generator output to the KX3

- whether you're also attempting to monitor the process on the PX3

- the setting of RX SHFT on 40 m vs. other bands

- whether you have a KXFL3 installed

- your REF CAL frequency as displayed in the menu

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 3, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Niel Skousen <nskousen at talisman-intl.com> wrote:

> Good Morning List,
> 
> My KX3 has a quirk that has persisted thru a factory service visit.   I'm hoping someone here has seen this before and can give me pointers on how to resolve this.
> 
> I have a very unusual 40m behavior.   I just spent a couple hours re-doing all the sideband nulling and verifying that on 40m I have a very deep null (-30 dBv) on 'center freq' as defined by the 'spot' frequency.
> 
> Previously I'd documented this, but had not checked all bands.  Today I checked every band, and it is only on 40m.   I have confirmed manual notch is OFF.    Configuration is as received from Elecraft after the RSA (which resets all the sideband nulling on an automated fixture, followed by a tech verifying since that was part of the complaint).  AF is set to 17   Note that the center tuned signal (from the PX3 calibrator) generates AFV = 1173 on all bands ( basically RX Vmax I'd assume).  The data points below correspond to the CWT symbol and the major 'tick' left and right of CWT.    
> 
> Config:
> - AF = 17
> - Notch = off
> - Mode = CW
> - BW = .350
> - Base Freq = 7.199 MHz
> 
>               (L)          (CWT)     (R)
> Freq      99.41         99.46     99.52
> AFV         533            15          568
> 
> This effect is -30 dBv over less than 100 hz, and compared to other bands its down -38 dBv
> So I'm at a loss on where to find what I've mis-configured.    Any suggestions or idea's ?
> 
> Niel
> WA7SSA
> 
> 


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jan  3 13:47:54 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:47:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 idea about decode display
Message-ID: <F4889EAB-45D4-486D-82ED-4111396CB6A1@yahoo.co.uk>

One thing I wish that I could do on the KX3 is to turn off the display of parameters like AF level etc, especially when using the built in decoder display which shares the same VFO B display area. (I know that I am turning the AF Knob up or down and don't need a display to tell me so all the time, interrupting what I am looking at on the decode area).

Would it be possible to have an option to toggle the display feedback on or off please? Apologies if such a thing already exists and I just have not found it.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

From K4YND at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 14:12:13 2015
From: K4YND at comcast.net (Don Baucom)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:12:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO shaft diam?
Message-ID: <1420312333506-7596717.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am going to order a VFO knob from the 73cnc site, I need to determine if I
have a 6mm or 1/4 inch dia  encoder.

I tried to measure with my cheap plastic ruler. 6mm is too close to 1/4 for
me to be sure.

I have #7621 purchased 12/16/11.

Thanks
K4YND



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  3 14:44:38 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 14:44:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio reports
In-Reply-To: <54A83485.4070806@arrl.net>
References: <54A83485.4070806@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <54A846A6.3000308@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

If you turn compression off and talk into the microphone (you can do 
that in TX TEST and no RF will be generated) how much deflection do you 
have on the ALC meter.
It should be 5 to 7 bars for proper audio drive and power control (which 
can affect the audio quality).  After setting the Mic Gain to achieve 
that level, you can add in some compression - about 10 dB is right for 
most operation.

If you have the DVR option, you have a good tool to evaluate your audio 
signal.
Record some audio and then play it back.  That way you avoid the bone 
conduction problem of listening to yourself live in the monitor and 
eliminate the subjective element of on-the-air reports which are 
dependent on the other ops receiver and his personal opinion of how you 
"should" sound.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/3/2015 1:27 PM, Michael Sell wrote:
> New to the list, looking for some input on Audio Quality and a 
> discovery made by myself and another owner.  This may be old hat, but 
> hope to find out the cause.
>
> Since buying my K3 secondhand, I have always received audio quality 
> reports from "sounds like rf in your audio" to "rough sounding audio, 
> especially at the peaks", or "your audio sound hollow or distorted"
>
> I've been all over the place trying to fix this.  Grounding mods, 
> ferrite filters, sold the KPA500 and got a new amp, even got rid of my 
> EV RE 20 and Symetrics 528E and went with a Heil Pro 30 straight into 
> the radio.  Still the same reports!
>
> Finally got on with two other K3 owners and did some testing.  We 
> found that for two of us, we had the same problem and same audio. One 
> did not.  We found that for two of us the problem was solved by 
> advancing the compressor setting to at least 16 with 21 being the best 
> setting.  The audio in both our K3's smoothed out and now sounded 
> excellent.  Below a 16 setting the audio issue began and progressively 
> got worse down to 0.
>
> My questions is why?  I have never been a proponent of running 
> compression.  I'm doing it and since I started, I'm now getting 
> excellent audio reports.  The other odd thing is that the 3rd ham in 
> this test did not experience bad audio with the compressor turned down 
> or off.  We are all running the same firmware version.  Could it be 
> something in the set up of the ALC in the audio section or is this a 
> known bug?
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  3 14:55:30 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 14:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO shaft diam?
In-Reply-To: <1420312333506-7596717.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420312333506-7596717.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54A84932.5010702@embarqmail.com>

Don,

If you have the new encoder (with the encoder board), you have the 6mm 
shaft.  The old encoders have a 1/4 inch shaft.

You can tell which encoder you have by removing the VFO knob.  Look to 
the right of the encoder shaft and you will find a small hole in the 
front panel metalwork.  If that hole is empty, you have the new 
encoder.  If instead you see a green pin in that hole, you have the old 
encoder.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/3/2015 2:12 PM, Don Baucom wrote:
> I am going to order a VFO knob from the 73cnc site, I need to determine if I
> have a 6mm or 1/4 inch dia  encoder.
>
> I tried to measure with my cheap plastic ruler. 6mm is too close to 1/4 for
> me to be sure.
>
> I have #7621 purchased 12/16/11.
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  3 17:47:13 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:47:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 VFO shaft diam?
In-Reply-To: <54A84932.5010702@embarqmail.com>
References: <1420312333506-7596717.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54A84932.5010702@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A87171.6080608@embarqmail.com>

OOOPS, I got it backwards - a new encoder shaft measures 0.251 with my 
calipers (close enough to 1/4 inch) while an old encoder measured 0.235 
inches - close enough to a nominal 6mm.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/3/2015 2:55 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Don,
>
> If you have the new encoder (with the encoder board), you have the 6mm 
> shaft.  The old encoders have a 1/4 inch shaft.
>
> You can tell which encoder you have by removing the VFO knob. Look to 
> the right of the encoder shaft and you will find a small hole in the 
> front panel metalwork.  If that hole is empty, you have the new 
> encoder.  If instead you see a green pin in that hole, you have the 
> old encoder.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/3/2015 2:12 PM, Don Baucom wrote:
>> I am going to order a VFO knob from the 73cnc site, I need to 
>> determine if I
>> have a 6mm or 1/4 inch dia  encoder.
>>
>> I tried to measure with my cheap plastic ruler. 6mm is too close to 
>> 1/4 for
>> me to be sure.
>>
>> I have #7621 purchased 12/16/11.
>>
>>
>
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Jan  3 17:57:26 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 22:57:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100
Message-ID: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>

I know this is largely a matter of opinion, but I welcome that of anyone
who is familiar with both the K3 series and the KX3 series:
 

I operate at two QTHs.  At one I run the K3 (with subRx etc) plus KPA500,
KAT-500, and P3.  That one is staying as-is.
 

At the other QTH I have been using a KX3, which has the advantage of
portability (mobiling) but I find the QRP limiting when I can?t get to the
first QTH during a contest.  The choice
then is to add the KXPA100 with KXAT100 to the KX3, or to simply replace
the KX3 with another K3 (barefoot) at the 2nd QTH.
 

So far as prices go for kits similarly equipped (to the extent possible),
the barefoot K3/100 with P3, no sub-Rx, internal ATU, KXV3A and just
enough filters for CW only, would be about $3,480, plus cables and other
goodies.
 

A KX3 with optional filter, ATU, PX3, and a KPA100 with the 100W tuner,
plus pwr supply, comes to about $2,760, also plus other accessories.
 

That?s about a $700 difference, for the KX3 system vs the K3/100 system.
(Even though I already own the KX3 system, I find this cost-to-cost a
useful comparison.)
 

So, if a CW-only, DX-and-contest oriented Op wanted a 100W transceiver /
panadapter  system from Elecraft for a 2nd QTH, what does the extra $700
buy?  What factors to take into account in making the choice?  One other
complication - now retired, I may try to do some holiday style DX
operating in easily-accessed tropical climes.  Is a K3 plus DC supply (2
pcs) much more of a traveling burden than a KX3 / KXPA100 plus power
supply (3 pcs)?
 


Thanks,

 
Ted, KN1CBR


From phils at riousa.com  Sat Jan  3 18:10:16 2015
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 15:10:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <65928EA0-0E29-405A-9D6D-7CE61BCFCBC7@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net is tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be net control from Oregon.

73,
Phil, NS7P

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan  3 18:22:53 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Stahl via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100
In-Reply-To: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <8D1F5C3556FEE25-AF4-A1C93@webmail-vm086.sysops.aol.com>

Ed,

One can have a heck of a lot of fun with just a KX3 in a warm DX 
location.

Check out (if you have access) my article on the topic in the Sept/Oct 
2014 National Contest Journal. This is not readily available online, 
but I could send you a scanned PDF.

I was able to fit my full station in half of a carry-on suitcase. I 
operated both from the beach and from the room. The room location was 
less than great in part due to electrical noise (wall warts power the 
internet routers for the rooms, among other things. On future trips I 
may not take stuff to operate from there, which would further reduce 
the stuff to carry.

73  -  Jim  K8MR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 3, 2015 5:58 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100

<snip>


So, if a CW-only, DX-and-contest oriented Op wanted a 100W transceiver /
panadapter  system from Elecraft for a 2nd QTH, what does the extra $700
buy?  What factors to take into account in making the choice?  One other
complication - now retired, I may try to do some holiday style DX
operating in easily-accessed tropical climes.  Is a K3 plus DC supply (2
pcs) much more of a traveling burden than a KX3 / KXPA100 plus power
supply (3 pcs)?



Thanks,


Ted, KN1CBR

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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sat Jan  3 18:39:48 2015
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:39:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Directional Couplers
In-Reply-To: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>
References: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>
Message-ID: <54A87DC4.2000303@kanafi.org>

On 1/3/2015 7:31 AM, kg5eju wrote:

> But, wondering if there is some accuracy/performance trade-off using a 2000 watt coupler on a 100 watt station?

The FCC's standard for transmitter metering  is the minimum normal
reading cannot be less than 20% of the full scale reading for a
linear-scale instrument or 33% for a logarithmic-scale instrument.   For
a digital readout, the readout of the device must include at least three
digits and must indicate the value of the parameter being read to an
accuracy of 2%.

See FCC Rules Section 73.1215 for other details.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan  3 18:44:45 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100
In-Reply-To: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <54A87EED.2020100@embarqmail.com>

Ted,

If you will always operate at the 100 watt level, I will suggest that 
you will be happier with the K3/100 with KAT3.  Quicker and easier to 
set up at your 'portable' location.
OTOH, if you also want the flexibility of operating QRP with a handheld 
transceiver that can be powered from batteries, then the KX3 with 
KXPA100 and KXAT100 would be the better solution.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/3/2015 5:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I know this is largely a matter of opinion, but I welcome that of anyone
> who is familiar with both the K3 series and the KX3 series:
>   
>
> I operate at two QTHs.  At one I run the K3 (with subRx etc) plus KPA500,
> KAT-500, and P3.  That one is staying as-is.
>   
>
> At the other QTH I have been using a KX3, which has the advantage of
> portability (mobiling) but I find the QRP limiting when I can?t get to the
> first QTH during a contest.  The choice
> then is to add the KXPA100 with KXAT100 to the KX3, or to simply replace
> the KX3 with another K3 (barefoot) at the 2nd QTH.
>   
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jan  3 18:46:50 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:46:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio reports
In-Reply-To: <54A83485.4070806@arrl.net>
References: <54A83485.4070806@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <54A87F6A.8060508@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,1/3/2015 10:27 AM, Michael Sell wrote:
> Since buying my K3 secondhand, I have always received audio quality 
> reports from "sounds like rf in your audio" to "rough sounding audio, 
> especially at the peaks", or "your audio sound hollow or distorted"

Did you check TXEQ?  The fact that it sounds better with Compression 
suggests that TXEQ may be screwed up.

> I've been all over the place trying to fix this.  Grounding mods, 
> ferrite filters, sold the KPA500 and got a new amp, even got rid of my 
> EV RE 20 and Symetrics 528E and went with a Heil Pro 30 straight into 
> the radio.  Still the same reports!

Why would you use a 528E for a dynamic mic like the RE20 with a ham 
rig?  Virtually all dynamic mics can be connected directly to the K3 mic 
connector with a simple XLR to Foster plug adapter. One side of the 
balanced mic output goes to Mic In, the other side and the cable shield 
go to the chassis.  An outboard preamp is needed only for a pro electret 
mic, and then only to provide the phantom power.

>
> Finally got on with two other K3 owners and did some testing.  We 
> found that for two of us, we had the same problem and same audio. One 
> did not.  We found that for two of us the problem was solved by 
> advancing the compressor setting to at least 16 with 21 being the best 
> setting.

First, don't go by the numerical readout for Compression. Instead, set 
the K3 display to show ALC and Compression.  The "right" thing to watch 
is the Compression bar graph. For contesting and DX chasing, adjust the 
Compression control for about 10 dB on peaks. Do this AFTER you have set 
the TXEQ. For more general operation, you may like 6 dB better.

Communications mics are designed with a built-in peak around 3-4 kHz to 
compensate for the rolloff of the crystal filter. Pro mics don't have 
this peak (although some vocal mics like the SM58 have a peak around 
8-10 kHz), so pro mics need TXEQ boost in the two top bands of TXEQ. 6 
dB is a good starting point.  Virtually all mics need low frequency 
rolloff so that power is not wasted on LF energy that does not 
contribute to speech intelligibility. A good starting point for all mics 
is max cut of the three lowest bands, then get on the air reports for 
setting the 4th band.  The other guy listening should have his IF set 
pretty wide for this test.

I'm a retired sound and recording engineer, so I own RE16s, RE20s, 
RE27s, and lots of other mics. Before I found the CM500, the mic in my 
shack was an RE16 on a boom stand.  With both mics I get reports of 
excellent audio, but I like the CM500 because it's a boom mic attached 
to a comfy headset.

73, Jim K9YC


From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Jan  3 19:12:38 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:12:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW monitor in RTTY
Message-ID: <54A88576.7920.B162D22@Gary.ka1j.com>

I just started participating in the RTTY 
roundup and using my Iambic key via the K3 
to make the contacts.

Sending RTTY I've always heard my CW in 
the headphones with the RTTY characters 
being sent silently in the background but 
suddenly I'm not hearing anything when I 
send. 

If I turn the Monitor all the way up I 
hear the RTTY being sent but not the CW in 
the monitor. For me to send CW, I have to 
do it by memory as I can't hear the 
characters although I can see them scroll 
by on the LCD.

I thought I must have bumped something to 
disable the monitor so I re-installed the 
last good configuration but I still can't 
hear my CW characters.

Any idea what I might have done to bring 
this about?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jan  3 20:12:30 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:12:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode - for
	Alan
Message-ID: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net>

ALAN:  Thank you for the monochrome WF option.

I don't want to get too greedy, and I may be the only Elecraft customer 
with this problem, but during a contest [like RTTY RU on now], my wife 
tells me the VFO A cursor is green.  The spectrum in which it is 
embedded is yellow.  They look similar to me, not exactly, but the 
cursor doesn't stand out.  I generally go for signals in the WF using 
the cursor, which works just fine unless the band is totally full of 
signals.  Then, I can't find the cursor in the spectrum display.

If there's any chance for an option for a bright white VFO A cursor on 
the To-Do list, I'd appreciate it.  If not, I'll adapt.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan  3 20:28:44 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 17:28:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100
In-Reply-To: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0CDBF3C.90AD%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <54A8974C.7030409@socal.rr.com>

For contesting I believe you'd find the more 
robust receiver of the K3/100 to be a real plus, Ted.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/3/15 2:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> So, if a CW-only, DX-and-contest oriented Op wanted a 100W transceiver /
> panadapter  system from Elecraft for a 2nd QTH, what does the extra $700
> buy?  What factors to take into account in making the choice?  One other
> complication - now retired, I may try to do some holiday style DX
> operating in easily-accessed tropical climes.  Is a K3 plus DC supply (2
> pcs) much more of a traveling burden than a KX3 / KXPA100 plus power
> supply (3 pcs)?
>   
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>   
> Ted, KN1CBR


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan  3 20:39:24 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 01:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
Message-ID: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing JT65 QSO's
Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?




From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 21:01:52 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:01:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOOndMFTSx=7tGMTo-ExfY3tg9qxAvDPsY=gTNNfiMNfw@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, many digital mode users don't listen.  After all, there's no
"intelligence" to listen to ... only "noise".

Perhaps the OP honestly couldn't hear you ... or your QSO partner.

73

Ken - K0PP

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 21:03:04 2015
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:03:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ8quzhiceBJKAWzp4ZxO8Dp3vZimSFAZ1EBikHwvJH6DQ@mail.gmail.com>

I love JT65/JT9 personally, but the published band plans shows it as "Data"
without getting into specific modes like PSK/RTTY/JT65.  While there are
"gentleman's agreements" as to how "Data" is divided up.  Those agreements
go out the window during RTTY and CW contests -- so I just stick to
30/17/12 meters then and avoid the mess on those days.  And I generally
have no issue decoding JT65 or JT9 even with several RTTY signals in and
around the '76 frequencies.

73, Bob, WB4SON

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing
> JT65 QSO's
> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
>
>
>
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan  3 21:04:51 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I'm just guessing, but didn't someone on the list say there was an RTTY 
contest?

Isn't it fairly common for contesters to get a bit "enthusiastic" and 
overlook things, especially when the op is a contester, and not 
necessarily on RTTY at any other time?

On 1/3/2015 5:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing JT65 QSO's
> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
>
>
>
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From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  3 21:19:32 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:19:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter holiday?
Message-ID: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>

After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it 
was Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace 
warm.  Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The 
area where we live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more 
closely approximates that of Palm Springs.

I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this 
purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.

Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?

Criteria are:

--  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely

--  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US 
licensee

--  easy to get there via commercial airlines

--  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear

--  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal

--  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham 
station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much 
equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna

--  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful

We've ruled out the following:

--  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists 
during the holidays.

--  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - 
been there before and don't like it

--  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere 
in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  3 21:24:19 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:24:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <fv8haa1l3g3cvq3pvu04rd2ucdublpi1l5@4ax.com>

Costa Rica would work for most US Amateurs, including language and
recip op privileges.  It's also less expensive there than in most of
the islands.

This is not from personal experience, just an idea.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:19:32 -0800, you wrote:

>After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it 
>was Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace 
>warm.  Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The 
>area where we live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more 
>closely approximates that of Palm Springs.
>
>I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this 
>purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>
>Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>
>Criteria are:
>
>--  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
>
>--  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US 
>licensee
>
>--  easy to get there via commercial airlines
>
>--  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
>
>--  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
>
>--  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham 
>station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much 
>equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna
>
>--  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
>
>We've ruled out the following:
>
>--  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists 
>during the holidays.
>
>--  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - 
>been there before and don't like it
>
>--  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere 
>in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
>
>Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
>
>Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
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From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 21:32:55 2015
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 19:32:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:K3/P3
Message-ID: <1420338775534-7596736.post@n2.nabble.com>

K3/100-K #5986, KXV3A, KRX3, 2 400 Hz filters, one in each receiver, KAT3
never installed, still in its wrapper, $2800; 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jan  3 21:38:53 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:38:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <54A8A7BD.1010503@foothill.net>

On 1/3/2015 6:19 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:

> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>
> Criteria are:
>
> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely

Auburn CA.  Not near the Caribbean but English is the primary language.
>
> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
> licensee

Don't need reciprocal privileges.
>
> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines

Yes, or via I5 or SR99, or more scenic routes [SR49?]
>
> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear

Amateur gear is welcome by local customs officials, of which there are none.
>
> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal

Your's works
>
> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much
> equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna

We'll rent you our place.
>
> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful

We have a kitchen, 3 BR, 2 BA, a deck, and 5 acres.  I host the 
neighborhood wireless on the tower, our Wi-Fi is free and we get the 
backhaul speed.
>
> We've ruled out the following:
>
> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists
> during the holidays.

Depends on where you plant yourself.
>
> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe -
> been there before and don't like it

I didn't have a real problem, but it resembled Saigon in the mid 60's 
and kind of shut it off for me.
>
> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere
> in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?

Been to CR once, on a cruise stop, not sure I'd go back.  Alligators in 
the river were cool however.
>
> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

You asked, and thank you for appreciating them.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jan  3 21:43:13 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:43:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A7BD.1010503@foothill.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net> <54A8A7BD.1010503@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <4BD333C6-18DA-4ED1-B99E-39B92ADE0617@wunderwood.org>

Australia! It is summer there right now. The local dialect (strine) is fairly close to English.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> On 1/3/2015 6:19 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> 
>> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
>> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>> 
>> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>> 
>> Criteria are:
>> 
>> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
> 
> Auburn CA.  Not near the Caribbean but English is the primary language.
>> 
>> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
>> licensee
> 
> Don't need reciprocal privileges.
>> 
>> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
> 
> Yes, or via I5 or SR99, or more scenic routes [SR49?]
>> 
>> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
> 
> Amateur gear is welcome by local customs officials, of which there are none.
>> 
>> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
> 
> Your's works
>> 
>> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
>> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much
>> equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna
> 
> We'll rent you our place.
>> 
>> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
> 
> We have a kitchen, 3 BR, 2 BA, a deck, and 5 acres.  I host the neighborhood wireless on the tower, our Wi-Fi is free and we get the backhaul speed.
>> 
>> We've ruled out the following:
>> 
>> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists
>> during the holidays.
> 
> Depends on where you plant yourself.
>> 
>> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe -
>> been there before and don't like it
> 
> I didn't have a real problem, but it resembled Saigon in the mid 60's and kind of shut it off for me.
>> 
>> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere
>> in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
> 
> Been to CR once, on a cruise stop, not sure I'd go back.  Alligators in the river were cool however.
>> 
>> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> You asked, and thank you for appreciating them.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jan  3 22:25:15 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 19:25:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <54A8B29B.1090005@coho.net>

Good Evening,
    Please join us tomorrow.

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 23:28:48 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:28:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
In-Reply-To: <20150103.104954.40288.5.n5ib@juno.com>
References: <20150103.104954.40288.5.n5ib@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E2ED4264-FD56-4833-9B36-A2E24ED02CBA@comcast.net>

Jim:
Are you planning to sell kits with pcbs?
Thanks 
Brian KB1VBF

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:49 AM, n5ib at juno.com wrote:
> 
> I picked up some more parts, enough to make a few (<10) more Bluetooth
> serial  interfaces.
> These are designed for the K2/KIO2, but can be used with K3 or KX3.
> 
> See http://n5ib.net/Index.xht
> 
> There's enough info there to roll your own.
> 
> 73
> Jim, N5IB
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 23:42:45 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1c8901d027d8$e2a4e160$a7eea420$@gmail.com>

Jim,

Check out any of the following:

- Bahamas
- Puerto Rico
- US Virgin Islands
- St. Lucia
- Cayman Islands
- Trinidad and Tobago
- Jamaica
- Aruba

These are just a few Caribbean destinations hams I know operated from on
vacation.

Hope this helps.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Lowman
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:20 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
holiday?

After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it was
Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace warm.
Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The area where we
live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more closely
approximates that of Palm Springs.

I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.

Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?

Criteria are:

--  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely

--  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
licensee

--  easy to get there via commercial airlines

--  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear

--  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal

--  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much equipment;
hotel with room for a simple antenna

--  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful

We've ruled out the following:

--  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists during
the holidays.

--  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - been
there before and don't like it

--  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere in
Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW

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From w6jhb at me.com  Sun Jan  4 00:04:05 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:04:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
 holiday?
In-Reply-To: <1c8901d027d8$e2a4e160$a7eea420$@gmail.com>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
	<1c8901d027d8$e2a4e160$a7eea420$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3748BE4E-5A18-46D4-9F3D-EF0EEEEFCFAB@me.com>

Hi Jim -

Another suggestion: Sint Maarten. The island is Dutch on the south half; French on the north. My XYL and I stayed on the Dutch side in 2001. Actually, we were there during the 9/11 attacks, but that?s another story. St. Maarten has reciprocal licensing, so that?s one problem solved right up front. Lots of good places to eat at, in a wide variety of cuisines. English is spoken on both halves of the island. You?d have to check with the airlines, but when we went, there were daily direct, non-stop flights from Philadelphia. Probably lots of others. Water is clear and warm. Food is super! The road infrastructure could use some upgraded in places! Rental cars are available - no problem there. I operated as PJ7/W6JHB using my K2/10 and a G5RV hanging under the balcony of our time share unit that we traded into. Lots of fun!

There was a link on the Elecraft web site to an article I had written about the experience, but not sure if it is still around or not.

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA


> On   Saturday, Jan 3, 2015, at  Saturday, 8:42 PM, Ian - Ham <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Check out any of the following:
> 
> - Bahamas
> - Puerto Rico
> - US Virgin Islands
> - St. Lucia
> - Cayman Islands
> - Trinidad and Tobago
> - Jamaica
> - Aruba
> 
> These are just a few Caribbean destinations hams I know operated from on
> vacation.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lowman
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:20 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
> holiday?
> 
> After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it was
> Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace warm.
> Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The area where we
> live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more closely
> approximates that of Palm Springs.
> 
> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
> 
> Criteria are:
> 
> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
> 
> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
> licensee
> 
> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
> 
> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
> 
> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
> 
> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much equipment;
> hotel with room for a simple antenna
> 
> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
> 
> We've ruled out the following:
> 
> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists during
> the holidays.
> 
> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - been
> there before and don't like it
> 
> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere in
> Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
> 
> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> 
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From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 00:28:22 2015
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <fv8haa1l3g3cvq3pvu04rd2ucdublpi1l5@4ax.com>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
	<fv8haa1l3g3cvq3pvu04rd2ucdublpi1l5@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <A5C7E2DA-BB2F-45CC-9228-4AB57E444772@gmail.com>

Texas is a favorite destination for snow birds, and has all the attributes you listed, weather, licensing, language, open border even for Californians, currency exchange, mostly friendly natives, 120 VAC, and compared to CA pretty cheap.  I filled up yesterday at a Costco for $1.849, and today saw a sign on the way to Austin for $1.679.  Quite a few true blue DXers around, too.

73 W6OGC Jim Allen

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Costa Rica would work for most US Amateurs, including language and
> recip op privileges.  It's also less expensive there than in most of
> the islands.
> 
> This is not from personal experience, just an idea.
> 
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
> 
>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:19:32 -0800, you wrote:
>> 
>> After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it 
>> was Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace 
>> warm.  Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The 
>> area where we live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more 
>> closely approximates that of Palm Springs.
>> 
>> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this 
>> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>> 
>> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>> 
>> Criteria are:
>> 
>> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
>> 
>> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US 
>> licensee
>> 
>> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
>> 
>> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
>> 
>> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
>> 
>> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham 
>> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much 
>> equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna
>> 
>> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
>> 
>> We've ruled out the following:
>> 
>> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists 
>> during the holidays.
>> 
>> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - 
>> been there before and don't like it
>> 
>> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere 
>> in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
>> 
>> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>> 
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 00:42:10 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
Message-ID: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>

I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?

Thanks for any advice.

Brian KB1VBF

Sent from my iPad

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jan  4 02:11:57 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat,  3 Jan 2015 23:11:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT]K2
In-Reply-To: <54A7F5EF.6020601@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-594039C2677F4CE2B34069FC6E2E2C1A@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 1/3/15 at 6:00 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>If you are running a MAC, you will have to find an alternate audio spectrum analyzer.

cocoaModem has a spectrum display in its Window->Config panel 
covering about 0 to 2800 Hz. I don't know if this will do the 
job, but the cost is right.

73 Bill AE6JV

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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working, the
408-356-8506       | rate of systems being compromised would be 
going down,
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 04:39:12 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:39:12 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
 for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>

I have a similar, but different, problem. I see more colors than Fred, 
but I am red/green colorblind and my problem is telling the difference 
between the VFO A and VFO B cursors. So Fred's solution would work for 
me too.

On 4 Jan 2015 03:12, Fred Jensen wrote:
> ALAN:  Thank you for the monochrome WF option.
>
> I don't want to get too greedy, and I may be the only Elecraft customer
> with this problem, but during a contest [like RTTY RU on now], my wife
> tells me the VFO A cursor is green.  The spectrum in which it is
> embedded is yellow.  They look similar to me, not exactly, but the
> cursor doesn't stand out.  I generally go for signals in the WF using
> the cursor, which works just fine unless the band is totally full of
> signals.  Then, I can't find the cursor in the spectrum display.
>
> If there's any chance for an option for a bright white VFO A cursor on
> the To-Do list, I'd appreciate it.  If not, I'll adapt.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org


-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk  Sun Jan  4 05:37:08 2015
From: m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk (Rick Hewett)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 10:37:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1501041024090.21261.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015, Jim Lowman wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?

Well, I'm at present in Kenya (with my KX3) but it probably falls at 
almost every one of your hurdles. No harm in throwing a few answers 
in, though, just so you can cross the place off your list. ;)

> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely

Not too bad there...

> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US 
> licensee

Visitors licences take a bit of organising, and cost a little...

> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines

....from some places, but not that easy from the US.

> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear

I once had trouble with my radio gear when leaving the country, but I 
think that was more security than customs.

> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal

See above. It Takes Time...

> -- good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham 
> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much 
> equipment; hotel with room for a simple antenna

Plenty of places to stay, but you'd need to bring all the necessary radio 
kit.

> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful

Plenty of choices in the right places. Other places, not so much. ;)

> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.

Not expecting this location to be of interest, but thrown in anyway.

Security can be "interesting" in the wrong places, but not too bad in the 
right ones. The weather here in Nairobi at present is pleasantly summery,
warm and dry, though it did rain hard at Xmas. Down on the coast it'd be 
hotter and more humid.

Hope you find somewhere interesting to visit.

-- 
73, Rick 5Z4/M0LEP (for a few days more)


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sun Jan  4 06:35:09 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:35:09 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX
	winterholiday?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1501041024090.21261.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1501041024090.21261.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8E15FC6AE3064E378A78B45BDB64365C@DavidPC>

If Africa is on your list you might consider The Gambia, which is 
predominantly English spoken, quiet, no street crime, great tour guides, 
fresh well-cooked food everywhere, low cost, walk-in / walk-walk out licence 
(prefix + call).  European quality water supply, electricity, phones, 
internet. Easy flights from Schiphol, Amsterdam, not much of a high street 
and no Walmart or Big Mac, but lots of wood carving and cotton wear.  About 
30C this time of year.  Hotels have excellent service.  If you like bird 
watching, don't miss the dawn chorus.  Look up dxpeditions to The Gambia.

David
G3UNA
ps if you go to Kenya, get yourself a lodge up country, especially near the 
salt lakes which are 1500m asl 


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jan  4 07:06:37 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 07:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] kat500/kpa500 with kenwood transceiver
In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C8@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
References: <54A5B680.6060806@usa.net>
	<31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C8@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6n3EQY8vVK2eYAqw2kMeK1-CuzrJMjZr+Gn9ZpPfSQVw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a KPA500 on my TS480 and the only hookup I have is PTT.   I let the
KPA500 manage the band changes via RF sensing and I have never had an issue.

It just works as they say.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Cady, Fred <fcady at ece.montana.edu> wrote:

> The KPA500 can be set up to either monitor the Kenwood's interaction with
> a logging program by "listening" on the serial port or by polling the
> Kenwood when you do not have a PC connected to the Kenwood. The KAT500
> cannot do this and so can just change frequencies when it measures the
> transmission frequency.
>
> Cheers, happy new year,
> Fred KE7X
>
> Author of:
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
> "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > steve foster
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 2:05 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] kat500/kpa500 with kenwood transceiver
> >
> > Hello,
> >   Is there a way using the data provided to have both the kpa500 and
> > the
> > kat500 change bands using the kenwood data stream.
> >   it was mentioned that there was an Arduino solution, any other
> > thoughts?
> > thanks in advance
> >
> > --
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> > email address. Thanks
> >
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Jan  4 07:49:35 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 05:49:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX
	winterholiday?
In-Reply-To: <A5C7E2DA-BB2F-45CC-9228-4AB57E444772@gmail.com>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net><fv8haa1l3g3cvq3pvu04rd2ucdublpi1l5@4ax.com>
	<A5C7E2DA-BB2F-45CC-9228-4AB57E444772@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A936DF.8040306@triconet.org>

When did they move Costa Rica out of Central America?

  --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere
in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan  4 07:59:43 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 07:59:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

The web pages have gone away, but the instructions are quite easy.
First, you need the KIO2 installed in the base K2.

Build the KAT100-2, just follow instructions - build the cable for the 
KAT100 as instructed in the manual.  Test and align it with the K2/10 at 
10 watts - the RF output from the K2 will be from ANT1 if you have the 
KAT2 installed.

Then build the KPA100.  Do the alignment, test and calibration with it 
connected as normal to the base K2.

Then install the KPA100 in the EC2 enclosure.  It plugs right into the 
KAT100-2  You will have to remove pin 4 from the ribbon cable connector.

Connect a BNC to BNC cable between the base K2 ANT1 connector, a short 
UHF to UHF cable between the KPA100 ANT jack to the KAT100 RF IN jack.  
The control cable connector with the two cables plugs into the KIO2 and 
the other male connector plugs into either the KAT100 or the KPA100 DB-9 
connector.

The K2 senses the presence of both the KPA100 and the KAT2 and 
automatically forces the KAT2 to bypass and ANT1.  Operation is 
automatic and seamless.
To use the K2/10 for portable operation, remove the BNC cable from ANT1 
and remove the control cable - the K2 will then revert to the 10 watt 
transceiver with the KAT2 active.

Normally in the external KAT100-2/KPA100 combination, the power for the 
KAT100 comes through the KPA100 APP power cable.  If you want to set it 
up so the K2 will revert to low power automatically if the AC powered 
large power supply goes down in an AC power failure, you must power 
*both* the base K2 and the KAT100 from a battery backed supply.  The 
switch to low power will then be automatic if the large power source 
goes down.

Even though the KPA100 duplicates the AUX IO port of the KIO2, the 
computer connection part of that connector will not be functional when 
mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  Computer communications must be from the 
KIO2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2015 12:42 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>
>


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 08:26:36 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 08:26:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
	<54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0D307B1-0248-48EB-A2C8-F26540ABEC32@gmail.com>

So Don, that seems to imply that if you want to do CAT control of the K2 with an external EC2 enclosure, you need to make up a special cable that plugs in to the basic K2 K2IO connector and breaks out the computer control lines to one DB9 serial port connector, and runs the rest of the lines to the EC2 enclosure. Am I understanding this correctly?

Also, if a KPA100 was installed in the EC2 enclosure, it is possible to switch the lid of the EC2 over to the K2/10 in order to get a K2/100? Of course, this would mean leaving the KAT100 behind in the EC2 enclosure. Maybe the KAT100 could be put in a EC1 enclosure, so the home config is K2/10 + KPA100 in EC2 + KAT100 in EC1, and the portable QRO config is K2/100 + optional KAT100 in EC1. 

73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 4 Jan 2015, at 7:59 am, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> The web pages have gone away, but the instructions are quite easy.
> First, you need the KIO2 installed in the base K2.
> 
> Build the KAT100-2, just follow instructions - build the cable for the KAT100 as instructed in the manual.  Test and align it with the K2/10 at 10 watts - the RF output from the K2 will be from ANT1 if you have the KAT2 installed.
> 
> Then build the KPA100.  Do the alignment, test and calibration with it connected as normal to the base K2.
> 
> Then install the KPA100 in the EC2 enclosure.  It plugs right into the KAT100-2  You will have to remove pin 4 from the ribbon cable connector.
> 
> Connect a BNC to BNC cable between the base K2 ANT1 connector, a short UHF to UHF cable between the KPA100 ANT jack to the KAT100 RF IN jack.  The control cable connector with the two cables plugs into the KIO2 and the other male connector plugs into either the KAT100 or the KPA100 DB-9 connector.
> 
> The K2 senses the presence of both the KPA100 and the KAT2 and automatically forces the KAT2 to bypass and ANT1.  Operation is automatic and seamless.
> To use the K2/10 for portable operation, remove the BNC cable from ANT1 and remove the control cable - the K2 will then revert to the 10 watt transceiver with the KAT2 active.
> 
> Normally in the external KAT100-2/KPA100 combination, the power for the KAT100 comes through the KPA100 APP power cable.  If you want to set it up so the K2 will revert to low power automatically if the AC powered large power supply goes down in an AC power failure, you must power *both* the base K2 and the KAT100 from a battery backed supply.  The switch to low power will then be automatic if the large power source goes down.
> 
> Even though the KPA100 duplicates the AUX IO port of the KIO2, the computer connection part of that connector will not be functional when mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  Computer communications must be from the KIO2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/4/2015 12:42 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>> 
>> 
> 
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From kvo at att.net  Sun Jan  4 08:38:01 2015
From: kvo at att.net (Jim Kvochick)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 08:38:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: TWO Raspberry Pi Spectrum Displays (minus SD
	MEMORY CARD
Message-ID: <2EFDBB746FFB4934ACBA2667A718E31C@JIMDESK>

Now that I have my PX3 on my KX3, I have some hardware that I'd like to get
rid of.
 
I have TWO Raspberry Pi model B units, each configured identically with:
 
Raspberry Pi Model B
Adafruit TFT display shield (all switches added to board)
PiBow PiTFT case
Syba Sound Card
 
Both of the SD Memory cards were repurposed, so I do NOT have the software
used to make them spectrum displays.
 
However, as mentioned earlier:
 
 
<http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_
Setup_Guide-v1_2.pdf>
http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_S
etup_Guide-v1_2.pdf


and
 
 
<http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users
_--_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem>
http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users_
--_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem

can assist you with this.
 
I'm asking $75 EACH shipped CONUS, or $140 for the pair shipped CONUS.
 
Drop me a note off the reflector if interested.  k8jk at arrl.net
 
73
 
Jim K8JK
 

  _____  


From don at w3fpr.com  Sun Jan  4 08:50:21 2015
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 08:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <A0D307B1-0248-48EB-A2C8-F26540ABEC32@gmail.com>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>	<54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
	<A0D307B1-0248-48EB-A2C8-F26540ABEC32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A9451D.7060505@w3fpr.com>

Matt,

The control cable should be constructed exactly like the one shown in 
the KAT100 manual.
The construction of the cable breaks out the pins used for the computer 
communications (2, 3, and 5) in the 'tail' which connects to the computer.
The other pins connect to the 'KAT100 tail' and contain the K2 control 
signals necessary to communicate with the KPA100 and KAT100.

The EC1 enclosure will not work - that enclosure is sized the same as 
the K1.
If you want to build the KAT100 into a smaller case, order the KAT100-1 
kit.  If you already have the KAT100-2, you can order the case 
components for the KAT100-1.
Elecraft does sell a kit to convert a KAT100-1 to a KAT100-2, but not 
the other way around.

So, if your desire is for a portable K2/100 plus KAT100, the smallest 
form factor is with the KPA100 mounted on the base K2 and a KAT100-1.
I think one would not build the KPA100 and KAT100-2 in an EC2 enclosure 
unless the desire is to retain the K2/10 for portable operation.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/4/2015 8:26 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
> So Don, that seems to imply that if you want to do CAT control of the K2 with an external EC2 enclosure, you need to make up a special cable that plugs in to the basic K2 K2IO connector and breaks out the computer control lines to one DB9 serial port connector, and runs the rest of the lines to the EC2 enclosure. Am I understanding this correctly?
>
> Also, if a KPA100 was installed in the EC2 enclosure, it is possible to switch the lid of the EC2 over to the K2/10 in order to get a K2/100? Of course, this would mean leaving the KAT100 behind in the EC2 enclosure. Maybe the KAT100 could be put in a EC1 enclosure, so the home config is K2/10 + KPA100 in EC2 + KAT100 in EC1, and the portable QRO config is K2/100 + optional KAT100 in EC1.
>
>


From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sun Jan  4 11:03:47 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 10:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <3748BE4E-5A18-46D4-9F3D-EF0EEEEFCFAB@me.com>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>	<1c8901d027d8$e2a4e160$a7eea420$@gmail.com>
	<3748BE4E-5A18-46D4-9F3D-EF0EEEEFCFAB@me.com>
Message-ID: <091701d02838$0685b550$13911ff0$@wjschmidt.com>

Contact me off-line.  I can tell you everything you want to know about operating in the Caribbean...


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 11:04 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter holiday?

Hi Jim -

Another suggestion: Sint Maarten. The island is Dutch on the south half; French on the north. My XYL and I stayed on the Dutch side in 2001. Actually, we were there during the 9/11 attacks, but that?s another story. St. Maarten has reciprocal licensing, so that?s one problem solved right up front. Lots of good places to eat at, in a wide variety of cuisines. English is spoken on both halves of the island. You?d have to check with the airlines, but when we went, there were daily direct, non-stop flights from Philadelphia. Probably lots of others. Water is clear and warm. Food is super! The road infrastructure could use some upgraded in places! Rental cars are available - no problem there. I operated as PJ7/W6JHB using my K2/10 and a G5RV hanging under the balcony of our time share unit that we traded into. Lots of fun!

There was a link on the Elecraft web site to an article I had written about the experience, but not sure if it is still around or not.

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA


> On   Saturday, Jan 3, 2015, at  Saturday, 8:42 PM, Ian - Ham <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Check out any of the following:
> 
> - Bahamas
> - Puerto Rico
> - US Virgin Islands
> - St. Lucia
> - Cayman Islands
> - Trinidad and Tobago
> - Jamaica
> - Aruba
> 
> These are just a few Caribbean destinations hams I know operated from on
> vacation.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Lowman
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:20 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
> holiday?
> 
> After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it was
> Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace warm.
> Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The area where we
> live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more closely
> approximates that of Palm Springs.
> 
> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
> 
> Criteria are:
> 
> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
> 
> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
> licensee
> 
> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
> 
> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
> 
> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
> 
> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much equipment;
> hotel with room for a simple antenna
> 
> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
> 
> We've ruled out the following:
> 
> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists during
> the holidays.
> 
> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe - been
> there before and don't like it
> 
> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere in
> Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
> 
> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> 
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From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 12:19:14 2015
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:19:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAABX7hrz0VFTvK0C8gdCW2x+Ln3ucUbWzK1Ou6u6GGwqPdvv7w@mail.gmail.com>

Texas is a favorite destination for snow birds, and has all the attributes
you listed, weather, licensing, language, open border even for Californians
(so far!), favorable currency exchange, mostly friendly natives, 120 VAC,
and compared to CA, pretty cheap.  I filled up yesterday at a Costco for
$1.849, and today saw a sign on the way to Austin for $1.679.  Quite a few
true blue DXers around, too.

73 W6OGC Jim Allen

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it
> was Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace
> warm.  Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The area
> where we live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more closely
> approximates that of Palm Springs.
>
> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>
> Criteria are:
>
> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
>
> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
> licensee
>
> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
>
> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
>
> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
>
> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much equipment;
> hotel with room for a simple antenna
>
> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
>
> We've ruled out the following:
>
> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists during
> the holidays.
>
> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe -
> been there before and don't like it
>
> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere
> in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
>
> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
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From phystad at mac.com  Sun Jan  4 12:35:52 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 09:35:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <CAABX7hrz0VFTvK0C8gdCW2x+Ln3ucUbWzK1Ou6u6GGwqPdvv7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
	<CAABX7hrz0VFTvK0C8gdCW2x+Ln3ucUbWzK1Ou6u6GGwqPdvv7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12F14069-3332-4573-A5A9-0E9E9B4AB9C3@mac.com>

One of the coldest winters I remember was December 1970 when I was at
Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.  I remember walking from one building
to another with a staff sergeant who had been there longer than I (I was there
for only 40 days) and I said "Its as cold as the North Pole here!".  The staff sergeant
replied "There is nothing between us and the north pole to stop the cold weather
from coming down here -- just flat terrain the whole way".

Of course, I grew up in California so cold weather to me is anything below 40 
degrees.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jan 4, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Jim Allen <jalleninvest at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Texas is a favorite destination for snow birds, and has all the attributes
> you listed, weather, licensing, language, open border even for Californians
> (so far!), favorable currency exchange, mostly friendly natives, 120 VAC,
> and compared to CA, pretty cheap.  I filled up yesterday at a Costco for
> $1.849, and today saw a sign on the way to Austin for $1.679.  Quite a few
> true blue DXers around, too.
> 
> 73 W6OGC Jim Allen
> 
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> After spending the second holiday season in San Diego, and last year it
>> was Tucson, the XYL announced that next year she'd like to go someplace
>> warm.  Yes, temperatures in the 50s in December feel cold to us.  The area
>> where we live is between LA and Palm Springs, but our climate more closely
>> approximates that of Palm Springs.
>> 
>> I know that many fellow amateurs head for the Caribbean nations for this
>> purpose.  That would work, as would somewhere in the South Pacific.
>> 
>> Anyone have any suggestions, based on past experiences?
>> 
>> Criteria are:
>> 
>> --  somewhere that English is the primary language, or is spoken widely
>> 
>> --  possibly a country with reciprocal-operating privileges for a US
>> licensee
>> 
>> --  easy to get there via commercial airlines
>> 
>> --  no hassles with customs, coming or going, with amateur gear
>> 
>> --  ease of getting a license/callsign for that country, if not reciprocal
>> 
>> --  good accommodations (villa for rent for a week or so); turnkey ham
>> station on premises is a plus so that we don't have to take much equipment;
>> hotel with room for a simple antenna
>> 
>> --  nearby restaurants, although cooking facilities would be helpful
>> 
>> We've ruled out the following:
>> 
>> --  Hawaii - probably the easiest option, but is nuts with tourists during
>> the holidays.
>> 
>> --  Mexico - difficult to get a license without knowing whom to bribe -
>> been there before and don't like it
>> 
>> --  The XYL looked into Belize, but I'd worry about drugs/crime anywhere
>> in Central America.  Costa Rica, perhaps?
>> 
>> Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance and 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  4 13:12:52 2015
From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:12:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday
Message-ID: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>

 What about the US Virgin Islands? That's where I'd make a beeline to if I could.  There are ferries that run to St. John from Charlotte Amalie and brief, puddle-jumper flights to St. Croix and the British Virgins as well.  Last time I was there was long before I was a ham but I really liked the place.  American soil/sand, too.
 
Hawaii (Big Island) is another great place to go if you know where to go.  East Hawaii is much less touristy than the Kona side.
Plenty of guest houses up in the Volcano rain forest where we used to live and also down around the quaint old town of Hilo.
 
Have fun wherever you decide.
 
73, Jeff  NH7RO


   http://turquoise-king.ebid.net
 
http://www.louisferreira.org/Jeff_Cathrow.html 

   		 	   		  

From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  4 13:24:05 2015
From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:24:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday
In-Reply-To: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP86827D147594F4B8184378B15B0@phx.gbl>

The last time I flew from MN to Hawaii we arrived late at night on New 
Years.  We woke up on Maui, looked out the condo and saw that Haleakala 
was covered in snow/ice.  THAT WAS A SURPRISE! It was cool that whole 
week but still a lot warmer than MN,

Nick N1kmp

Jeff Cathrow wrote...Hawaii (Big Island) is another great place to go if 
you know where to go.....


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jan  4 13:29:49 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:29:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
 for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A9869D.8010305@foothill.net>

Technically, I can *see* all the colors ... I just can't name them.  I 
suspected something was amiss when all the crayons in the box had 
different names and many looked the same to me. :-)

I have a couple of friends with P3's who are "normies" and they use the 
monochrome WF too so it may not be just for us outliers.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/4/2015 1:39 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I have a similar, but different, problem. I see more colors than Fred,
> but I am red/green colorblind and my problem is telling the difference
> between the VFO A and VFO B cursors. So Fred's solution would work for
> me too.


From aar6ea at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 13:34:41 2015
From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:34:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
Message-ID: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all and happy 2015!

I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out.  I live in Colorado
and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:

1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
calling frequencies (day and night)?

2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
info on the do and don'ts of QRP?

3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
the times when my other antennas are put away.  Any suggestions?

4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?

Thanks,

Mark

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jan  4 13:52:11 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 10:52:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>

On 1/4/2015 10:34 AM, Mark Tellez wrote:

> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out.  I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I sold my Buddipole and got an AlexLoop, and I'm not sorry at all.  The 
loop sets up in 5 min, less if I concentrate on it.  I have mine on a 
light irrigation sprinkler tripod, I can sit under it and reach up to 
tune it.  One warning:  The Alex is a resonant transformer, and *must* 
be tuned to resonance.  If you get it "close" and let the ATU match it, 
you'll discover you have a somewhat pricey dummy load.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?

14050 and vicinity is popular.  You can find a whole lot of folks around 
the SOTA watering holes between 14060 - 14065.  Same for 15, 21060 - 
21065.  10115 is also popular.  You can see spots for summit activations 
at sotawatch.org
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?

Probably, but I don't know of any.  *Don't* call CQ DE W1XXX/QRP. :-) 
It seems to be a hot button for some folks.

> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?

EFHW's are popular with the Summits On The Air crowd.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org


From ebjr37 at charter.net  Sun Jan  4 13:55:06 2015
From: ebjr37 at charter.net (Sandy Blaize)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:55:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday
In-Reply-To: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54A98C8A.1040500@charter.net>

I have been to St. Croix years ago on business at the petroleum terminal 
on the South side of the island.  Had some time to kill and enjoyed it 
immensely.  Scuba/snorkeling tours were fun and beautiful.  Prices 
reasonable.  Good place for a "expedition" setup with a QRP rig and a 
Buddipole for some radio fun.  (I didn't have a Buddipole or a small 
compact QRP rig at the time.  That was about 25 years ago.)  Also was in 
Jamaica, Antigua, the Bahamas, and Cayman islands, and Bonaire on ship 
radio repair jobs.  I'm recently informed that one should stick to 
Western end of Jamaica, and avoid the eastern end of the island.  Never 
had any problem on any of these places or been threatened when I 
followed recommendations of previous visitors.

IF I EVER go to these places again, I'll be sure to get permits to setup 
with something like an FT-897, FT-817, or IC-703 using the Buddipole 
antenna system!

Good luck and have fun!

73,

Sandy W5TVW
Now 78 and somewhat disabled like a creaky car!
The urge is still there though to return!
On 1/4/2015 12:12 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
>   What about the US Virgin Islands? That's where I'd make a beeline to if I could.  There are ferries that run to St. John from Charlotte Amalie and brief, puddle-jumper flights to St. Croix and the British Virgins as well.  Last time I was there was long before I was a ham but I really liked the place.  American soil/sand, too.
>   
> Hawaii (Big Island) is another great place to go if you know where to go.  East Hawaii is much less touristy than the Kona side.
> Plenty of guest houses up in the Volcano rain forest where we used to live and also down around the quaint old town of Hilo.
>   
> Have fun wherever you decide.
>   
> 73, Jeff  NH7RO
>
>
>     http://turquoise-king.ebid.net
>   
> http://www.louisferreira.org/Jeff_Cathrow.html
>
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From sancho at frawg.org  Sun Jan  4 13:58:54 2015
From: sancho at frawg.org (sancho)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 13:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2572F31-B58D-4AB1-9A40-35CB95B343B3@frawg.org>

Hi Mark,

I am a casual QRP-er (and casual HAM in general) so maybe my opinionated answers will with help the coming wash of advice. You want to start here - so read in between and below:

Jack - KD4IZ
Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 13:34, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all and happy 2015!
> 
>  have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
Two good choices for portable field ops, but not for ideal at home unless you are in a condo/apartment/restriction/no space situation. I love the AlexLoop BTW! BUT: Put up a "real" antenna if you are able. More below:

> 
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
> 
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
What Mode? CW, Voice, Digital?

> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
I will let someone else this.

> 
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away.  Any suggestions?

You want lack of directionality if you are trying to see if the bands is open - they are not gain antennas but they don't bias what you hear... If you have the space for a ground or roof mounted vertical, I have had a number over the the years. Trapless are better than trapped. I have had my best results with the GAP Titan. Next, the Butternut HFV which required radials.
If you have supports and space - try a simple inverted "vee" dipole... it is a cheaper alternative by far.
> 
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
Left for others to answer. Never tried it.


From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Sun Jan  4 14:10:51 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:10:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A9903B.6030004@sunflower.com>

Hi Mark,

One resource you might like is this QRP website: www.4sqrp.com

It is a QRP club that has many activities and a yearly convention. Also 
includes a monthly newsletter and various kits (which support the annual 
event). Super bunch of hams.

72, Phil Anderson, W0XI

> Mark Tellez <mailto:aar6ea at gmail.com>
> Sunday, January 04, 2015 12:34 PM
> Hello all and happy 2015!
>
> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the 
> main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
>
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions?
>
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan  4 14:15:24 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 11:15:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:34:41 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello all and happy 2015!
>
>I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
>I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out.  I live in Colorado
>and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.

I'd recommend a wire antenna.  See below.

>
>I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
>1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
>calling frequencies (day and night)?

30m and 20m seem to be fairly active.  I operate CW when QRP, and
14060 / 10106 are good watering holes freqs.  I use a wire antenna
when portable, and it always works well.

The antenna has a 23 foot radiating element and a 16 foot
counterpoise, so it's off-center fed.  I've used it on 40, 30, 20 and
17m with pretty good success (it can be a little hard to tune on 40m).

  Using a convenient rock attached to the radiator end, just throw it
over a tree with some amount of rope leader then pull the counterpoise
out and tie it to whatever's available - usually a tree limb or ground
object.  This antenna is fed with ladder line and terminates into a
BL2 balun set to 1:1.
>
73,
matt
W6NIA
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will
spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan  4 14:33:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:33:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio Reports
Message-ID: <575549330.4314688.1420399998480.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I tried running the Audio test described below with my K3 DVR and for some reason my own audio is not being recorded. The DVR works fine recording ?and playing audio off the air. But when I attempt to record my own audio as described below, when I play it back to you can hear audio go to zero for time of my recording and then back to whatever was previously recorded. Any ideas what I may be doing wrong?
73 Paul?kc2nyu------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If you have the DVR option, you have a good tool to evaluate your audio?
signal.
Record some audio and then play it back.? That way you avoid the bone?
conduction problem of listening to yourself live in the monitor and?
eliminate the subjective element of on-the-air reports which are?
dependent on the other ops receiver and his personal opinion of how you?
"should" sound.
73,
Don W3FPR


From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Sun Jan  4 14:35:56 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday
In-Reply-To: <54A98C8A.1040500@charter.net>
References: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
	<54A98C8A.1040500@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000c01d02855$a95fe670$fc1fb350$@verizon.net>

St. Croix is a nice island for a vacation:
Easy in and out to the US
Same currency
Customs are easy
Good restaurants from high end to fast food
Decent diving, snorkeling, horseback riding, sailing or just goofing off
Rent someplace like KP2M and you are already setup with a nice place to stay
with a great view,  antennas, K3 and amps. Just bring your headset
No licensing issues

By the way the refinery is now closed. 

N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sandy
Blaize
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 1:55 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday

I have been to St. Croix years ago on business at the petroleum terminal on
the South side of the island.  Had some time to kill and enjoyed it
immensely.  Scuba/snorkeling tours were fun and beautiful.  Prices
reasonable.  Good place for a "expedition" setup with a QRP rig and a
Buddipole for some radio fun.  (I didn't have a Buddipole or a small compact
QRP rig at the time.  That was about 25 years ago.)  Also was in Jamaica,
Antigua, the Bahamas, and Cayman islands, and Bonaire on ship radio repair
jobs.  I'm recently informed that one should stick to Western end of
Jamaica, and avoid the eastern end of the island.  Never had any problem on
any of these places or been threatened when I followed recommendations of
previous visitors.

IF I EVER go to these places again, I'll be sure to get permits to setup
with something like an FT-897, FT-817, or IC-703 using the Buddipole antenna
system!

Good luck and have fun!

73,

Sandy W5TVW
Now 78 and somewhat disabled like a creaky car!
The urge is still there though to return!
On 1/4/2015 12:12 PM, Jeff Cathrow wrote:
>   What about the US Virgin Islands? That's where I'd make a beeline to if
I could.  There are ferries that run to St. John from Charlotte Amalie and
brief, puddle-jumper flights to St. Croix and the British Virgins as well.
Last time I was there was long before I was a ham but I really liked the
place.  American soil/sand, too.
>   
> Hawaii (Big Island) is another great place to go if you know where to go.
East Hawaii is much less touristy than the Kona side.
> Plenty of guest houses up in the Volcano rain forest where we used to live
and also down around the quaint old town of Hilo.
>   
> Have fun wherever you decide.
>   
> 73, Jeff  NH7RO
>
>
>     http://turquoise-king.ebid.net
>   
> http://www.louisferreira.org/Jeff_Cathrow.html
>
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 14:38:48 2015
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1830254674.4107452.1420400328872.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Mark, 
There are two ways to look at QRP, portable/SOTA operation and fixed/base station operation. The one thing they both have in common is that they need to radiate a signal to talk to others. 

This may seem obvious, but there is a conflict between the two. The portable guys need to face a practical issue of weight and ease of installation. The fixed guys have few restrictions on a practical level. Let's face it the Alex Loop may be a fine antenna, but it well never compete with a full sized antenna installed to maximize its performance. To show this, a friend of mine, NA1DX owns a KX3 that he operates QRP from his base. His antenna farm is not modest. He works all over at 5 Watts. Most of the time he just responds to CQs with out employing any other procedure than what is normally used in good operating practice. 

The QRPer who plans to operate out of a tent should put a lot of thought into his antenna. It is here that he can make the most difference. Additionally, using CW or PSK31 makes those 5 Watts most effective. Lastly, it really pays to listen and not chase stations that are just above the noise that may be running 100 Watts or more; go for the stronger signals. 

73, 
Barry 
K3NDM 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Mark Tellez" <aar6ea at gmail.com> 
To: "elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 1:34:41 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP 

Hello all and happy 2015! 

I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP. 
I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out. I live in Colorado 
and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna. 

I have a few questions as a QRP newbie: 

1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main 
calling frequencies (day and night)? 

2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background 
info on the do and don'ts of QRP? 

3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that 
will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during 
the times when my other antennas are put away. Any suggestions? 

4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna. Any comments on the PAR 
vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)? 

Thanks, 

Mark 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 14:51:38 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:51:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>

Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP".  Many
see it as some form of "I'm special,  take pitty on me" or "whining".

73

From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sun Jan  4 15:01:22 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:01:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Directional Couplers
In-Reply-To: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>
References: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>
Message-ID: <54A99C12.7040605@mchsi.com>

Dan,

With the 2000 watt coupler, you can still select either the 20 watt, 200 
watt, or 2000 watt scales.  I doubt there would be any difference in 
resolution by using the 2000 watt coupler with the W2 set for the 200 
watt scale.  The manual specifies accuracy of +/- 0.5 dB typical for 
both sensors.

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/3/2015 09:31, kg5eju wrote:
> 100 Watt station with 2 antenna.  Need a second coupler of the W2.  First one is 200 watt, and thinking of adding a 2000 watt coupler for the second (future proofing for possible linear).  But, wondering if there is some accuracy/performance trade-off using a 2000 watt coupler on a 100 watt station?
>
> Thank you for your thoughts.
>
> 73 - Dan
>


From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sun Jan  4 15:13:37 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54A99EF1.9010209@mchsi.com>

Brian,

Here is a website with some pictures of a KAT100 and KPA100 in an EC2 
enclosure.  This is what helped me figure out how to do it.

http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

I have my ATU setting set on Auto.  I believe that if the K2 detects the 
KAT100 it will use it instead of the KAT2.

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/3/2015 23:42, Brian Denley wrote:
> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Brian KB1VBF
>
>

From dezrat at outlook.com  Sun Jan  4 15:19:51 2015
From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:19:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/DX holiday
In-Reply-To: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU179-W347E619365BB978F8F19DBC15B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP150B7EC121A2CF82A1ED2ADC05B0@phx.gbl>

Since warm is in the eye of the beholder, I'd suggest either Keguelen
or South Sandwich Island, which by pure coincidence happen to be the
last two I need for Top of the Honor Roll. 

You're welcome. 

73, Bill W6WRT

From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 15:35:07 2015
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:35:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
	<CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7F412B9-A5A6-4E61-A173-B12285443139@gmail.com>

Signing /qrp is not a great idea.  Just make your call and see where it takes you.

There are plenty of receivers in the Reverse Beacon Net that will cluster spot for you when you simply call CQ (in nearly any digital mode, including CW).

Having said that, some DX clusters mismanage the /qrp if your CQ gets beacon posted.  That can raise the frustration level of folks watching the cluster because it may give a false country allocation.  Um, some folks handle that frustration better than others... ;)

Only a few DX stations actively working contacts will take the time for QRP.

Life is too short for QRP.  ;o) but opinions may vary.

Rick, WA6NHC

iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP".  Many
> see it as some form of "I'm special,  take pitty on me" or "whining".

From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 15:47:57 2015
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 14:47:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <A7F412B9-A5A6-4E61-A173-B12285443139@gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
	<CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7F412B9-A5A6-4E61-A173-B12285443139@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAABX7hoh_c0W9Jj76HDv8k5H4yG3e1HM4LJTciuYYTL=eCJhjg@mail.gmail.com>

I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion.  If
the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
difference does it make?

It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice:  "When you hear
'em, call 'em!"

73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Rick Bates, WA6NHC <
happymoosephoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Signing /qrp is not a great idea.  Just make your call and see where it
> takes you.
>
> There are plenty of receivers in the Reverse Beacon Net that will cluster
> spot for you when you simply call CQ (in nearly any digital mode, including
> CW).
>
> Having said that, some DX clusters mismanage the /qrp if your CQ gets
> beacon posted.  That can raise the frustration level of folks watching the
> cluster because it may give a false country allocation.  Um, some folks
> handle that frustration better than others... ;)
>
> Only a few DX stations actively working contacts will take the time for
> QRP.
>
> Life is too short for QRP.  ;o) but opinions may vary.
>
> Rick, WA6NHC
>
> iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-)
>
> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP".  Many
> > see it as some form of "I'm special,  take pitty on me" or "whining".
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Jan  4 17:40:21 2015
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 22:40:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <54A99EF1.9010209@mchsi.com>
References: <54A99EF1.9010209@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <1435258600.2759575.1420411221220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10946.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

For somebody considering KAT100+KPA100 in a separated enclosure, KXPA100 + internal ATU or Hardrock 50 + internal ATU could be?alternatives.? They are?separated stand alone linear amplifiers as well.
These alternatives?can?also be used?with other radios and sold easily in the second hand market if they become surplus in the future.
The application of KAT100+KPA100 is only restricted?to K2.
73
Johnny VR2XMC
?      ???? Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
 ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2015?01?5? (??) 4:13 AM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
   
Brian,

Here is a website with some pictures of a KAT100 and KPA100 in an EC2 
enclosure.? This is what helped me figure out how to do it.

http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

I have my ATU setting set on Auto.? I believe that if the K2 detects the 
KAT100 it will use it instead of the KAT2.

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/3/2015 23:42, Brian Denley wrote:
> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.? There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.? As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Brian KB1VBF

  

From k3hx at juno.com  Sun Jan  4 17:39:07 2015
From: k3hx at juno.com (k3hx at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 22:39:07 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting started in QRP.
Message-ID: <20150104.223907.13079.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

I'd recommend ARCI.ORG.  Been a member for many years.

This group sponsors many contests and some have hefty bonuses for homebrew or "kit" assembled radios. I use my K-1 to operate in these contests to collect
the bonuses.  

They put out a quarterly magazine with activity reports and construction
articles.

Suggested operating frequencies are listed on the website.  I don't operate
HF phone but the CW suggested frequencies are:  1.810, 3.560, 7.030, 7.040, 
10.106, 14.060, 18.096, 21.060, 24.906, 28.060.

Many other contests have a "QRP" entry section which may be of interest.

Several operating certificates have QRP endorsements.  

If you can, use an antenna more efficient than a "Buddipole."  

72 (the QRP version of "73"....HI!)

Tim  K3HX

Celebrating 50 years in amateur radio.
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 17:55:45 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <1435258600.2759575.1420411221220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10946.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <54A99EF1.9010209@mchsi.com>
	<1435258600.2759575.1420411221220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10946.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3F6E9C-DBF2-4BD6-BF31-47AB98FB66B5@comcast.net>

Thanks Johnny and Mike.

Brian KB1VBF

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:40 PM, Johnny Siu <vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk> wrote:
> 
> For somebody considering KAT100+KPA100 in a separated enclosure, KXPA100 + internal ATU or Hardrock 50 + internal ATU could be alternatives.  They are separated stand alone linear amplifiers as well.
> These alternatives can also be used with other radios and sold easily in the second hand market if they become surplus in the future.
> The application of KAT100+KPA100 is only restricted to K2.
> 73
> Johnny VR2XMC
>        ???? Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com>
> ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> ????? 2015?01?5? (??) 4:13 AM
> ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Here is a website with some pictures of a KAT100 and KPA100 in an EC2 
> enclosure.  This is what helped me figure out how to do it.
> 
> http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/
> 
> I have my ATU setting set on Auto.  I believe that if the K2 detects the 
> KAT100 it will use it instead of the KAT2.
> 
> Mike
> KI0HA
> 
>> On 1/3/2015 23:42, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>> 
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> 
>> Brian KB1VBF
> 
> 
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 18:08:18 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:08:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
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Don:
Thanks for all that information.  My K2 has the KIO2 and I am building the KAT100 in the EC2 next week.  On you last paragraph:  will I still be able to use the 'Twins' setup under computer control through the KIO2?

Brian KB1VBF

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> The web pages have gone away, but the instructions are quite easy.
> First, you need the KIO2 installed in the base K2.
> 
> Build the KAT100-2, just follow instructions - build the cable for the KAT100 as instructed in the manual.  Test and align it with the K2/10 at 10 watts - the RF output from the K2 will be from ANT1 if you have the KAT2 installed.
> 
> Then build the KPA100.  Do the alignment, test and calibration with it connected as normal to the base K2.
> 
> Then install the KPA100 in the EC2 enclosure.  It plugs right into the KAT100-2  You will have to remove pin 4 from the ribbon cable connector.
> 
> Connect a BNC to BNC cable between the base K2 ANT1 connector, a short UHF to UHF cable between the KPA100 ANT jack to the KAT100 RF IN jack.  The control cable connector with the two cables plugs into the KIO2 and the other male connector plugs into either the KAT100 or the KPA100 DB-9 connector.
> 
> The K2 senses the presence of both the KPA100 and the KAT2 and automatically forces the KAT2 to bypass and ANT1.  Operation is automatic and seamless.
> To use the K2/10 for portable operation, remove the BNC cable from ANT1 and remove the control cable - the K2 will then revert to the 10 watt transceiver with the KAT2 active.
> 
> Normally in the external KAT100-2/KPA100 combination, the power for the KAT100 comes through the KPA100 APP power cable.  If you want to set it up so the K2 will revert to low power automatically if the AC powered large power supply goes down in an AC power failure, you must power *both* the base K2 and the KAT100 from a battery backed supply.  The switch to low power will then be automatic if the large power source goes down.
> 
> Even though the KPA100 duplicates the AUX IO port of the KIO2, the computer connection part of that connector will not be functional when mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  Computer communications must be from the KIO2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/4/2015 12:42 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>> 
>> 
> 

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan  4 18:20:34 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Gary Slagel via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 23:20:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 macro/cw message key behavior
Message-ID: <1415003968.4379784.1420413634317.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10662.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I've set up the K3 macro keys to set my output power to different levels based on if I'm using my amp or not. ?I use 6 different macros on keys 1, 2 and 3 using both the tap and hold memory.
Recently I recorded a cw message on key 1 which overwrote the macro. ?The manual says I can erase the cw message by hitting the 'rec' key, then recording the morse sequence '--..' and hitting 'rec' again. ?I've tried that but looking that cw memory from the K3 utility program it still shows a '|' in that memory and it won't let me rewrite my macro into that key memory. ?I write the macros into the keys using the K3 utility program.
Any suggestions on how to get my macro back into that key 1 memory? ?Thanks for any help!?Gary / KT0A
?

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan  4 18:41:05 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:41:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <40D501F8-AB81-42A2-8C3E-B5FFE68BE92C@comcast.net>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
	<54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
	<40D501F8-AB81-42A2-8C3E-B5FFE68BE92C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54A9CF91.6090209@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

Yes, certainly - you expand the computer cable that you are now using 
with the pigtail to the KAT100 - as shown in the KAT100 manual.  The K2 
operates as normal.
The control cable connector with the two cables in it must connect to 
the KIO2.

My point was only that:
The TTL to RS-232 converter chip in the KPA100 cannot be used for 
computer control with the KPA100 mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  That 
part is only functional when the KPA100 is mounted on the base K2 (with 
the external mounting, there are no TXD and RXD signals sent to the KPA100).

So you get your computer communications from the KIO2, and not from the 
KPA100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2015 6:08 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Don:
> Thanks for all that information.  My K2 has the KIO2 and I am building the KAT100 in the EC2 next week.  On you last paragraph:  will I still be able to use the 'Twins' setup under computer control through the KIO2?
>
> Brian KB1VBF
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> The web pages have gone away, but the instructions are quite easy.
>> First, you need the KIO2 installed in the base K2.
>>
>> Build the KAT100-2, just follow instructions - build the cable for the KAT100 as instructed in the manual.  Test and align it with the K2/10 at 10 watts - the RF output from the K2 will be from ANT1 if you have the KAT2 installed.
>>
>> Then build the KPA100.  Do the alignment, test and calibration with it connected as normal to the base K2.
>>
>> Then install the KPA100 in the EC2 enclosure.  It plugs right into the KAT100-2  You will have to remove pin 4 from the ribbon cable connector.
>>
>> Connect a BNC to BNC cable between the base K2 ANT1 connector, a short UHF to UHF cable between the KPA100 ANT jack to the KAT100 RF IN jack.  The control cable connector with the two cables plugs into the KIO2 and the other male connector plugs into either the KAT100 or the KPA100 DB-9 connector.
>>
>> The K2 senses the presence of both the KPA100 and the KAT2 and automatically forces the KAT2 to bypass and ANT1.  Operation is automatic and seamless.
>> To use the K2/10 for portable operation, remove the BNC cable from ANT1 and remove the control cable - the K2 will then revert to the 10 watt transceiver with the KAT2 active.
>>
>> Normally in the external KAT100-2/KPA100 combination, the power for the KAT100 comes through the KPA100 APP power cable.  If you want to set it up so the K2 will revert to low power automatically if the AC powered large power supply goes down in an AC power failure, you must power *both* the base K2 and the KAT100 from a battery backed supply.  The switch to low power will then be automatic if the large power source goes down.
>>
>> Even though the KPA100 duplicates the AUX IO port of the KIO2, the computer connection part of that connector will not be functional when mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  Computer communications must be from the KIO2.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 1/4/2015 12:42 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
>>>
>>>


From jock.irvine at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 18:48:02 2015
From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 18:48:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJOqefJKjRQMZAL_NrvZw83nJJibdamr3gjfZdcCFWiOfFNAcw@mail.gmail.com>

If you're interested in CW operation, check out the North American QRP CW
Club at http://naqcc.info.  Membership is free and they have monthly
sprints and challenges.  The sprints aren't lightning fast because you can
double your score if you use a straight key, so it's a fun way to get on
the air and make contacts with other QRPers.  Also check out John Shannon's
website at http://k3wwp.com.  John has a wealth of information about
antennas, operating techniques, frequencies, propagation, etc.

I'm just reading a copy of this book that someone loaned me:
http://www.arrl.org/shop/ARRL-s-Low-Power-Communication-4th-Edition/
If you prefer a book, It's a good read with lots of information.

72,

Jock, N1JI

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all and happy 2015!
>
> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out.  I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
>
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
>
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
>
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
>
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away.  Any suggestions?
>
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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From k7mw78 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 19:02:29 2015
From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 16:02:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CAABX7hoh_c0W9Jj76HDv8k5H4yG3e1HM4LJTciuYYTL=eCJhjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
	<CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7F412B9-A5A6-4E61-A173-B12285443139@gmail.com>
	<CAABX7hoh_c0W9Jj76HDv8k5H4yG3e1HM4LJTciuYYTL=eCJhjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66742E20-2B0A-43CD-8BFF-FBCB1B482727@gmail.com>

No need to do so, but I have used /QRP to try to snag another QRP operator around on  of the the QRP "watering holes".
Two way QRP QSO's have been some of my nicest ham radio experiences.
We generally spend quite a bit of time discussing our equipment, that we probably built, and in some cases, designed.

73,
Rick Dettinger  K7MW


On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jim Allen wrote:

> I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion.  If
> the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
> difference does it make?
> 
> It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice:  "When you hear
> 'em, call 'em!"
> 
> 73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen


From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Sun Jan  4 19:45:17 2015
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:45:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: XG3 Signal source
Message-ID: <000001d02880$e0413880$a0c3a980$@woh.rr.com>

I have a virtually unused XG3 signal source that I bought new and it has sat
on the bench unused. I'll ship it in the US for $165. It comes with the
E850369 serial interface cable and original manual

Paypal or money order

Thanks 

Tim

Nz8J


From kf7gc at arrl.net  Sun Jan  4 20:35:44 2015
From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 01:35:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KXPA100
Message-ID: <22940217.2642275.1420421744561.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Looking to buy a used KXPA100.Paypal purchase onlyTomy 928-710-9231?73! Tomy KF7GC
AZ STM 
NM AZ Section Net
ORS

From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Sun Jan  4 21:42:05 2015
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 has been sold.
Message-ID: <452A438F-07E0-4259-BCB1-66E194DE7958@woh.rr.com>

Thanks to all who responded.
Tim
NZ8J




From n1rm at arrl.net  Sun Jan  4 21:44:10 2015
From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:44:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KX3 Station
Message-ID: <1420425850049-7596787.post@n2.nabble.com>

Consolidating to single radio (K3) so I'm selling my KX3 Station...

KX3 Transceiver - S/N 1842, includes:
KXAT3 Tuner, KXBC3 Batt chgr and RT Clock,
KXSERa USB adapter, MH3 hand mic, KXFL3 filter,
KXPD3 paddle, KX3-PCKT cable set, PAE-Kx31 heatsink,
Nifty KX3 Desk Stand. Has KX3BNCMODKT (LO filter)
installed. Also includes Side KX end plates
and cover (not currently installed).
All for $1100

PX3 Panadapter with Nifty PX3 Desk Stand
$370

KXPA100 100W Amplifier, includes:
KXAT100 Tuner, KXPACBL Interface cable
$750

Prefer to sell entire package, so $2100 takes everything...
Will ship to lower 48 US

All Elecraft connection cables included.
All equipment is assembled, fully functional, aligned.
Pristene condition, non-smoking shack.

Please reply off list to my callsign at arrl.net.

Happy New Year!

Rick
N1RM
Reston, VA



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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 21:46:27 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2
In-Reply-To: <54A9CF91.6090209@embarqmail.com>
References: <8A0B8903-C0A0-4A7E-9FAB-E2A132B9CE9F@comcast.net>
	<54A9393F.70205@embarqmail.com>
	<40D501F8-AB81-42A2-8C3E-B5FFE68BE92C@comcast.net>
	<54A9CF91.6090209@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <44EF88D6-277A-4EE2-BA0F-C426197D07D9@comcast.net>

Don:
That's what I thought from the KAT100 manual.  Thanks!
Brian
KB1VBF

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Yes, certainly - you expand the computer cable that you are now using with the pigtail to the KAT100 - as shown in the KAT100 manual.  The K2 operates as normal.
> The control cable connector with the two cables in it must connect to the KIO2.
> 
> My point was only that:
> The TTL to RS-232 converter chip in the KPA100 cannot be used for computer control with the KPA100 mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  That part is only functional when the KPA100 is mounted on the base K2 (with the external mounting, there are no TXD and RXD signals sent to the KPA100).
> 
> So you get your computer communications from the KIO2, and not from the KPA100.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/4/2015 6:08 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Don:
>> Thanks for all that information.  My K2 has the KIO2 and I am building the KAT100 in the EC2 next week.  On you last paragraph:  will I still be able to use the 'Twins' setup under computer control through the KIO2?
>> 
>> Brian KB1VBF
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brian,
>>> 
>>> The web pages have gone away, but the instructions are quite easy.
>>> First, you need the KIO2 installed in the base K2.
>>> 
>>> Build the KAT100-2, just follow instructions - build the cable for the KAT100 as instructed in the manual.  Test and align it with the K2/10 at 10 watts - the RF output from the K2 will be from ANT1 if you have the KAT2 installed.
>>> 
>>> Then build the KPA100.  Do the alignment, test and calibration with it connected as normal to the base K2.
>>> 
>>> Then install the KPA100 in the EC2 enclosure.  It plugs right into the KAT100-2  You will have to remove pin 4 from the ribbon cable connector.
>>> 
>>> Connect a BNC to BNC cable between the base K2 ANT1 connector, a short UHF to UHF cable between the KPA100 ANT jack to the KAT100 RF IN jack.  The control cable connector with the two cables plugs into the KIO2 and the other male connector plugs into either the KAT100 or the KPA100 DB-9 connector.
>>> 
>>> The K2 senses the presence of both the KPA100 and the KAT2 and automatically forces the KAT2 to bypass and ANT1.  Operation is automatic and seamless.
>>> To use the K2/10 for portable operation, remove the BNC cable from ANT1 and remove the control cable - the K2 will then revert to the 10 watt transceiver with the KAT2 active.
>>> 
>>> Normally in the external KAT100-2/KPA100 combination, the power for the KAT100 comes through the KPA100 APP power cable.  If you want to set it up so the K2 will revert to low power automatically if the AC powered large power supply goes down in an AC power failure, you must power *both* the base K2 and the KAT100 from a battery backed supply.  The switch to low power will then be automatic if the large power source goes down.
>>> 
>>> Even though the KPA100 duplicates the AUX IO port of the KIO2, the computer connection part of that connector will not be functional when mounted in the EC2 enclosure.  Computer communications must be from the KIO2.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>> On 1/4/2015 12:42 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>> I am building a KAT100 and KPA100 in an separate EC2 housing.  There used to be some websites with details on this arrangement but I can no longer find them.  As I understand things, the KPA100 / KAT100 will operate from the KIOS cable but do I need to disable my KAT2?
> 
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From k5jx at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  4 22:02:55 2015
From: k5jx at earthlink.net (Rene Correa, K5JX)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:02:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection between K3 and computer
Message-ID: <54A9FEDF.2070104@earthlink.net>

Greetings.

I am no longer able to control my K3 (SN 7845)with my Dell Optiplex 740, 
running Windows 7 or with my Dell Latitude D610, running Windows XP. The 
arrangement used to work (running 4800 baud), but not now. I am using 
the "real" serial port on each computer.

I've tried two different "straight through" serial cables that have 
worked with the K3 and both Dells previously. Both cables show 
continuity on all nine wires. Today I used both cables to connect my AIM 
4170C analyzer to the Optiplex and everything appeared to work properly. 
So, I think I've ruled out the serial cables. I have run the Optiplex's 
device manager ragged, checking and rechecking the COM1 port many times. 
I've tried updating the driver several times and have always gotten a 
message that the most current driver is installed. I've also always 
gotten a "the device is working properly" message.

I have tried all sorts of baud rate combinations (less than, equal to 
and greater than 4800 baud) with the K3 and the Optiplex, always 
starting my experiments with the same baud rate for COM1 and the K3 and 
then either leaving the COM1 baud rate constant while varying the K3 
baud rate or leaving the K3 baud rate constant while varying the COM1 
baud rate. In every instance, all the K3 Utility gives me are scrolling 
messages that say, "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 38400 
bit/s", "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 19200 bit/s", 
"Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 9600 bit/s", "Attempting to 
contact K3 on port COM1 at 4800 bit/s", etc.

I've pulled the top cover off the K3 and measured the voltage on pin 8 
of U1 on the KIO3 board. I measured a little over -7 VDC, so that looks 
okay, as per KE7X's book.

I sent the K3 to Elecraft a few months ago to fix a zapped toroid in the 
directional coupler. The computer control worked before the zap. 
Elecraft satisfactorily repaired the K3 and fully tested before it was 
returned to me. As far as I can tell, none of my settings were changed 
while the rig was at Elecraft. I've operated the K3 mobile, with no 
computer control and it has worked like a champ. However, a few days 
ago, when I connected it back up to Optiplex (and later the Latitude), I 
became aware of the serial port problem.

I am at my (half) wit's end and have to believe I am overlooking 
something obvious. Can anyone please suggest what, if anything, to try next?

Many thanks and 73.

Rene K5JX

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan  4 22:18:53 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 03:18:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection between K3 and computer
In-Reply-To: <54A9FEDF.2070104@earthlink.net>
References: <54A9FEDF.2070104@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1187515901.2668683.1420427933271.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100131.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It's possible you popped the serial chip on the computer.
I have a PC here that shows the port but it does not communicate.






      From: "Rene Correa, K5JX" <k5jx at earthlink.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 10:02 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection between K3 and computer
   
Greetings.

I am no longer able to control my K3 (SN 7845)with my Dell Optiplex 740, 
running Windows 7 or with my Dell Latitude D610, running Windows XP. The 
arrangement used to work (running 4800 baud), but not now. I am using 
the "real" serial port on each computer.

I've tried two different "straight through" serial cables that have 
worked with the K3 and both Dells previously. Both cables show 
continuity on all nine wires. Today I used both cables to connect my AIM 
4170C analyzer to the Optiplex and everything appeared to work properly. 
So, I think I've ruled out the serial cables. I have run the Optiplex's 
device manager ragged, checking and rechecking the COM1 port many times. 
I've tried updating the driver several times and have always gotten a 
message that the most current driver is installed. I've also always 
gotten a "the device is working properly" message.

I have tried all sorts of baud rate combinations (less than, equal to 
and greater than 4800 baud) with the K3 and the Optiplex, always 
starting my experiments with the same baud rate for COM1 and the K3 and 
then either leaving the COM1 baud rate constant while varying the K3 
baud rate or leaving the K3 baud rate constant while varying the COM1 
baud rate. In every instance, all the K3 Utility gives me are scrolling 
messages that say, "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 38400 
bit/s", "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 19200 bit/s", 
"Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 9600 bit/s", "Attempting to 
contact K3 on port COM1 at 4800 bit/s", etc.

I've pulled the top cover off the K3 and measured the voltage on pin 8 
of U1 on the KIO3 board. I measured a little over -7 VDC, so that looks 
okay, as per KE7X's book.

I sent the K3 to Elecraft a few months ago to fix a zapped toroid in the 
directional coupler. The computer control worked before the zap. 
Elecraft satisfactorily repaired the K3 and fully tested before it was 
returned to me. As far as I can tell, none of my settings were changed 
while the rig was at Elecraft. I've operated the K3 mobile, with no 
computer control and it has worked like a champ. However, a few days 
ago, when I connected it back up to Optiplex (and later the Latitude), I 
became aware of the serial port problem.

I am at my (half) wit's end and have to believe I am overlooking 
something obvious. Can anyone please suggest what, if anything, to try next?

Many thanks and 73.

Rene K5JX
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From m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk  Sun Jan  4 23:15:39 2015
From: m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk (Rick Hewett)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:15:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A98BDB.9060109@foothill.net>
	<CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1501050401310.27712.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Fred's certainly correct with his advice about not signing "/QRP". 
> Many see it as some form of "I'm special, take pitty on me" or 
> "whining".

The best reason for not using /QRP even if it is legal (and it cetrainly 
isn't legal everywhere) is that it makes your call four characters 
shorter! The longer your call, the more trouble it is to get across, 
especially when your signal's on the low side. I took my KX3 away from 
base over Xmas, and was required (by licence conditions) to operate as 
5Z4/M0LEP/P then. Save "/" for adding essential information. If you feel 
you *must* mention that you're QRP, do so without encumbering your 
callsign; it makes accurate logging much easier for your contacts.

73, Rick 5Z4/M0LEP (for a few more days)


From dave.esquer at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 23:18:54 2015
From: dave.esquer at gmail.com (Esquer Dave)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3247.1420398936.3107.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Hi Mark,
Yes, QRP is a challenge. For the first 2 years with my KX3, I ran it ONLY QRP with LiFePo external batteries or external power supply. I learned to be persistent.

From my QTH east of Los Angeles in the San Bernardino mountains on New Year?s Eve 2013, I reached the Amundsen-Scott station at the South Pole, KC4AAA. They gave me a great signal report, just about when I was going to give up. This has been one of my highlights.

I also reached K9W, the Wake Island expedition in November of 2013 running QRP, another highlight for me.

Persistence ? and just act like a big dog!

I do have the Elecraft KXPA100 amplifier and it too goes portable with me. For those more challenging pile-ups, it doesn?t break through immediately, but with persistence, I can make the contact. 

See below for my comments.

> 
> From: Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com>
> 
> Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
> 
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?

As a QRP guy myself with a KX3, see http://qrprespect.jimdo.com/
Honestly, in my 3 years as a new ham, I don?t think many folks follow these conventions.

> 
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don?ts of QRP?

Not that I know of.

> 
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away.  Any suggestions?

A simple OCF 40-6m 66? inverted V window dipole is my baseline fixed station antenna. It is hung in the trees, about 30? above the ground, but I am also at 6,200? elevation, pretty much at the crest looking down into the Los Angeles basin.

> 
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
> 

I have a version of the SuperAntenna SP-1 buddipole stick (http://newsuperantenna.com/), an Alexloop and a PAR end fed 10/20/40. All 3 work BUT the best for me is the EARCHI end fed 6-40m, (http://www.earchi.org/proj_homebrew.html) for $52 pre-built. The FREE plans are on their website if you want to build your own. You can have the length be whatever you heart desires.

I used the PAR end fed for about 6 months, it works well and is quiet.

The EARCHI in a vertical or slanted or inverted V is much better and ALL BAND capable IMHO. It is just 30? in length but it is totally usable with every band utilizing the onboard KX3 ATU. Quick and easy to setup.

When I run portable from Hawaii or California, the order of preference when portable QRP or low power:

1. EARCHI end fed
2. Alexloop
3. PAR end fed 10/20/40 (inverted L)
4. SuperAntenna SP-1

I too, never sign with /QRP. Remember, persistence is the key!
Good luck Mark,

Dave, K6WDE

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jan  5 00:51:42 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun,  4 Jan 2015 21:51:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
In-Reply-To: <811D93B6-0A41-4EBF-B6B3-58EB8DCAE654@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-FAA952A61F6248CD86CB7E14716CA31B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 1/4/15 at 8:18 PM, dave.esquer at gmail.com (Esquer Dave) wrote:

>Yes, QRP is a challenge. For the first 2 years with my KX3, I 
>ran it ONLY QRP with LiFePo external batteries or external 
>power supply. I learned to be persistent.

I started having fun with my radio when I started using PSK31 
QRP. I started with an ICOM 705M2G and graduated to a PSK20 
single band rig. Things got really fun when I got a K3.

Most recently I operated QRP in the ARRL 10M contest using a 
simple home brew vertical antenna on my roof. I was quite 
surprised to discover that the geographic entity most common in 
my log was Japan followed by Texas and Minnesota.

I second the thought that you will have more success with narrow 
band modes like CW and PSK31 than you will with modes like SSB 
and RTTY. Regardless of mode, running QRP and getting a response 
on your first call can make your entire day. It more than makes 
up for those other days when you don't seem to be able to 
contact anyone.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 02:16:26 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 09:16:26 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection between K3 and computer
In-Reply-To: <54A9FEDF.2070104@earthlink.net>
References: <54A9FEDF.2070104@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54AA3A4A.6000506@gmail.com>

If you tried with two computers and various cables, then the problem is 
likely in the K3.

What 'zapped' the directional coupler? If it was nearby lightning, then 
it is not unlikely that it could have damaged the serial chip in the 
KIO3. I don't know what kind of testing Elecraft did, but perhaps they 
didn't use a computer connection to do it. Also, static damage to a chip 
might not appear immediately.

I suggest calling or emailing Elecraft support.

On 5 Jan 2015 05:02, Rene Correa, K5JX wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I am no longer able to control my K3 (SN 7845)with my Dell Optiplex 740,
> running Windows 7 or with my Dell Latitude D610, running Windows XP. The
> arrangement used to work (running 4800 baud), but not now. I am using
> the "real" serial port on each computer.
>
> I've tried two different "straight through" serial cables that have
> worked with the K3 and both Dells previously. Both cables show
> continuity on all nine wires. Today I used both cables to connect my AIM
> 4170C analyzer to the Optiplex and everything appeared to work properly.
> So, I think I've ruled out the serial cables. I have run the Optiplex's
> device manager ragged, checking and rechecking the COM1 port many times.
> I've tried updating the driver several times and have always gotten a
> message that the most current driver is installed. I've also always
> gotten a "the device is working properly" message.
>
> I have tried all sorts of baud rate combinations (less than, equal to
> and greater than 4800 baud) with the K3 and the Optiplex, always
> starting my experiments with the same baud rate for COM1 and the K3 and
> then either leaving the COM1 baud rate constant while varying the K3
> baud rate or leaving the K3 baud rate constant while varying the COM1
> baud rate. In every instance, all the K3 Utility gives me are scrolling
> messages that say, "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 38400
> bit/s", "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 19200 bit/s",
> "Attempting to contact K3 on port COM1 at 9600 bit/s", "Attempting to
> contact K3 on port COM1 at 4800 bit/s", etc.
>
> I've pulled the top cover off the K3 and measured the voltage on pin 8
> of U1 on the KIO3 board. I measured a little over -7 VDC, so that looks
> okay, as per KE7X's book.
>
> I sent the K3 to Elecraft a few months ago to fix a zapped toroid in the
> directional coupler. The computer control worked before the zap.
> Elecraft satisfactorily repaired the K3 and fully tested before it was
> returned to me. As far as I can tell, none of my settings were changed
> while the rig was at Elecraft. I've operated the K3 mobile, with no
> computer control and it has worked like a champ. However, a few days
> ago, when I connected it back up to Optiplex (and later the Latitude), I
> became aware of the serial port problem.
>
> I am at my (half) wit's end and have to believe I am overlooking
> something obvious. Can anyone please suggest what, if anything, to try
> next?
>
> Many thanks and 73.
>
> Rene K5JX

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Mon Jan  5 03:12:14 2015
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:12:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Directional Couplers
In-Reply-To: <54A99C12.7040605@mchsi.com>
References: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>
	<54A99C12.7040605@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <69C3537C-6CF7-4809-A73B-59CC5C4FF510@Alphadene.co.uk>


I would have thought there is some difference, otherwise why go to the trouble of making two different models?
-73 de M0XDF

> On 4 Jan 2015, at 20:01, Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> With the 2000 watt coupler, you can still select either the 20 watt, 200 watt, or 2000 watt scales.  I doubt there would be any difference in resolution by using the 2000 watt coupler with the W2 set for the 200 watt scale.  The manual specifies accuracy of +/- 0.5 dB typical for both sensors.
> 
> Mike
> KI0HA
> 
>> On 1/3/2015 09:31, kg5eju wrote:
>> 100 Watt station with 2 antenna.  Need a second coupler of the W2.  First one is 200 watt, and thinking of adding a 2000 watt coupler for the second (future proofing for possible linear).  But, wondering if there is some accuracy/performance trade-off using a 2000 watt coupler on a 100 watt station?
>> 
>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>> 
>> 73 - Dan
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 04:18:17 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:18:17 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Directional Couplers
In-Reply-To: <69C3537C-6CF7-4809-A73B-59CC5C4FF510@Alphadene.co.uk>
References: <7399DA4E-6649-490C-A0B1-29ACB9FF61B9@dlaab.com>	<54A99C12.7040605@mchsi.com>
	<69C3537C-6CF7-4809-A73B-59CC5C4FF510@Alphadene.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54AA56D9.2000900@gmail.com>

The 200W version has a low range that can measure power down to 0.1 
watt. The minimum reading on the 2000W version is 1 watt.

On 5 Jan 2015 10:12, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
>
> I would have thought there is some difference, otherwise why go to the trouble of making two different models?
> -73 de M0XDF
>
>> On 4 Jan 2015, at 20:01, Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> With the 2000 watt coupler, you can still select either the 20 watt, 200 watt, or 2000 watt scales.  I doubt there would be any difference in resolution by using the 2000 watt coupler with the W2 set for the 200 watt scale.  The manual specifies accuracy of +/- 0.5 dB typical for both sensors.
>>
>> Mike
>> KI0HA
>>
>>> On 1/3/2015 09:31, kg5eju wrote:
>>> 100 Watt station with 2 antenna.  Need a second coupler of the W2.  First one is 200 watt, and thinking of adding a 2000 watt coupler for the second (future proofing for possible linear).  But, wondering if there is some accuracy/performance trade-off using a 2000 watt coupler on a 100 watt station?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> 73 - Dan


-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From avavra1 at verizon.net  Mon Jan  5 07:36:50 2015
From: avavra1 at verizon.net (Andy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:36:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
Message-ID: <CD5CD4B4-843D-4281-9108-E3EC8D2AB62F@verizon.net>

I would not give-up totally on SSB at QRP power levels.

I received a QSL card on Saturday for a QRP contact with RI44ANT in the South Shetlands.

3 watts SSB from Pennsylvania to Antarctica for a 5X7 using my KX3 -- not bad if you ask me.

I have made many QRP contacts on SSB to Europe, Australia and the US with as little as 500 milliWatts.

Re: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
Bill Frantz Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:52:23 -0800

On 1/4/15 at 8:18 PM, dave.esq... at gmail.com (Esquer Dave) wrote:
Yes, QRP is a challenge. For the first 2 years with my KX3, I ran it ONLY QRP with LiFePo external batteries or external power supply. I learned to be persistent.


Thanks...

-- Andy, KD3RF / VE2DXY


From arcticpeak at yahoo.no  Mon Jan  5 07:39:36 2015
From: arcticpeak at yahoo.no (Martin Storli - LA8OKA)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:39:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
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Is it posible to make an audio connection with this bluetooth module?It would be nice to have an all wireless bluetooth connection for digimodes.?Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm
      Fra: "n5ib at juno.com" <n5ib at juno.com>
 Til: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sendt: L?rdag, 3. januar 2015 17.49
 Emne: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
   
I picked up some more parts, enough to make a few (<10) more Bluetooth
serial? interfaces.
These are designed for the K2/KIO2, but can be used with K3 or KX3.

See http://n5ib.net/Index.xht

There's enough info there to roll your own.

73
Jim, N5IB
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From steverob at shoreham.net  Mon Jan  5 08:55:29 2015
From: steverob at shoreham.net (Stephen Roberts)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:55:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Mark,

Happy New Year to you too!!

I've been a ham for 3 yrs now and about 99% CW/QRP.

Forget about "watering holes" and concentrate more on the most active bands at any given time. 10M has been fantastic lately and when it's open, you will find it's a great place to get QRP DX. Same with 17M. At night, it's 20m and 30m early then on to 40m and 80m. Check out some of the sprints that the QRP clubs sponsor. ARCI, NAQCC, SKCC. It's a good way to get on the air and hear a lot of other QRP'rs.

Here's a great link farm for QRP
http://www.amqrp.org/misc/links.html

Someone else mentioned the EARCHI antenna. I had one and I liked it so much, I started making a version of that antenna that many hundreds of ops have been very happy with. You can read all about it here: http://kx3helper.com/endfed-40-6m-antenna/

Many of the do's and don'ts already mentioned are good advice. A lot of the fun is telling the op on the other end just after he gives you a 599 and tells you that he's using the Wizbang 5000 1200w amp, that you're using your KX3 at 5W. Ha! That's sum good radio fun.

Have a good time and I'll look for you on the air.


Best 72/73
Steve

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On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Mark Tellez wrote:

> Hello all and happy 2015!
> 
> I am not new to amateur radio but I am new to the world of QRP.
> I recently received a KX3 and would like to try it out.  I live in Colorado
> and I have access to both a Buddipole and an Alexloop antenna.
> 
> I have a few questions as a QRP newbie:
> 
> 1) what are the most popular QRP bands for monitoring and what are the main
> calling frequencies (day and night)?
> 
> 2) is there a book or website that will give a QRP newbie some background
> info on the do and don'ts of QRP?
> 
> 3) I am looking for an antenna that can be left attached to the KX3 that
> will provide decent HF reception so that I can monitor frequencies during
> the times when my other antennas are put away.  Any suggestions?
> 
> 4) I am considering buying a PAR end fed antenna.   Any comments on the PAR
> vs my other options (Alexloop, Buddipole)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jan  5 09:34:05 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7hyOGLhVcRs-7iRTo-9QHqpiUeM9f8nvuv4=YdD3FyaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
signal (depending on your country).  If you want channelized operation you
may have to look elsewhere--just not ham radio.

Be very  happy we have this flexibility.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> I'm just guessing, but didn't someone on the list say there was an RTTY
> contest?
>
> Isn't it fairly common for contesters to get a bit "enthusiastic" and
> overlook things, especially when the op is a contester, and not necessarily
> on RTTY at any other time?
>
>
> On 1/3/2015 5:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing
>> JT65 QSO's
>> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
>> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
>>
>>
>>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 09:45:24 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:45:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
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	<CAD4CdTMYesMa9_3xKzaPSvp-P7k9fLiTS5NLRwTBp5Aa5Xwh4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7F412B9-A5A6-4E61-A173-B12285443139@gmail.com>
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	<66742E20-2B0A-43CD-8BFF-FBCB1B482727@gmail.com>
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Sending /QRP does not seem to be a problem for casual operation. But DO NOT
use /QRP in contests or DX pileups.

>From long experience in contests trying to copy weak stations from a big
multi, sending /QRP in contests or DX pileups can be THE reason why you do
NOT make a contact. When a station is struggling to get your call out of
the noise (quite common given your power level), ANY characters other than
the bare call sign are a confusion.

I long ago lost count of the number of times that trying to work a station
sending /QRP, all I copied for sure was the /QRP. With QSB on signals and
maybe only a second or two of peak signal on the up part of QSB barely
clearing the noise, the /QRP wastes the possible peak signal time for half
the call sign.

Remember that when you are QRP in a contest, you are depending on the OTHER
station to complete the contact.  The completed QSO is hardly credit to you
at all, it's a credit to his receiving skills and RX setup. He already
knows you are weak, so you don't have to tell him you are weak with /QRP.
He doesn't care WHY you are weak, he just wants to work you. Do everything
you can to assist him.

In the later stages of a contest, when you are more likely to have clear
shots at running stations, high scoring stations have already worked all
the low hanging fruit, the loud and medium stations, and will gladly work
any QRP entrant, it's a contest after all. If he can manage to get your
call out of the noise and the competition cannot, that improves his chances
of beating his competition.

However if he continues to try and copy you without results for any
extended period, then your sending period will sound like a vacant
frequency to others and the station trying to get your call risks losing
his run frequency.

DO NOT use /QRP in contests or DX pileups.

I am not against QRP. I enjoy my battery K2/10, and have done 160 contests
QRP, LP and QRO. In QRP, crisp, sharp operating is magnified in a contest,
to everyone's benefit.

73, Guy K2AV


On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Rick Dettinger <k7mw78 at gmail.com> wrote:

> No need to do so, but I have used /QRP to try to snag another QRP operator
> around on  of the the QRP "watering holes".
> Two way QRP QSO's have been some of my nicest ham radio experiences.
> We generally spend quite a bit of time discussing our equipment, that we
> probably built, and in some cases, designed.
>
> 73,
> Rick Dettinger  K7MW
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Jim Allen wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the need to sign /QRP or give it away in any fashion.  If
> > the other guy hears you adequately, he will respond; otherwise, what
> > difference does it make?
> >
> > It is the flip side of the Old Timer's oft repeated advice:  "When you
> hear
> > 'em, call 'em!"
> >
> > 73 de W6OGC  Jim Allen
>
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan  5 10:05:29 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:05:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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 > Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
 > signal (depending on your country).

While that is true, IARU recognize the "center of activity" concept.
The JT65/JT9 "center of activity" is x.076-x.080 *and that does not*
*change* just because there is a RTTY contest - any more than the
PACTOR autobots leave 14.095-14.0995/14.1005-14.115 and PSK31/63
abandons xx.070-xx.074 for the duration of the contest.

RTTY contesters need to learn if the dial reads less than xx.0805 they
are causing *intentional QRM* to other modes and find another frequency
or band.  I was frankly disgusted by the number of *big guns* who should
know better coming up on top of existing TJT9 and JT65 QSOs all weekend.

It is time that RTTY contest sponsors make a strong effort to educate
their participants about other digital activity below xx.080 (between
xx.070 and xx.080) particularly on 20 and 15 meters.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-05 9:34 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
> signal (depending on your country).  If you want channelized operation you
> may have to look elsewhere--just not ham radio.
>
> Be very  happy we have this flexibility.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
> KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm just guessing, but didn't someone on the list say there was an RTTY
>> contest?
>>
>> Isn't it fairly common for contesters to get a bit "enthusiastic" and
>> overlook things, especially when the op is a contester, and not necessarily
>> on RTTY at any other time?
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2015 5:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing
>>> JT65 QSO's
>>> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
>>> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
>>>


From sven at ladegast.info  Mon Jan  5 09:56:22 2015
From: sven at ladegast.info (Sven Ladegast)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:56:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Weighting
In-Reply-To: <E78CAAF1-8D18-4FA5-841F-BB38987BD28B@me.com>
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Hello together,

why is the CW weight setting so crude? It would be nice if the setting 
would be a more common value like 3.0 as for dash length of 3 dits.

At the moment I do not understand what 1.05 really means.

Wayne, can this be corrected?

Kind regards!

Sven, DJ2AT

Am 23.12.2014 03:18, schrieb James Bennett:
> Dennis -
>
> Thanks for the post. I?ve had a K3 for about five years and have really liked the feel/sound of it?s keying. Got a KX3 about a year ago and immediately noticed that is just didn?t sound the same as big brother. Not bad, but just not the same. I pretty much ignored it, as it wan?t really troubling me. But when I saw your post, I thought I?d see if that makes a difference for me. One word: WOW! I dropped my setting down to 1.05 as you suggested and now, on my KX3, it is perfect - for me, anyway. And the spacing/weight seems (to me) to be exactly like what big brother produces.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim / W6JHB
>
>
>> On   Monday, Dec 22, 2014, at  Monday, 8:04 AM, Dennis Gregory <wu6x at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> After receiving a "459" report during a CW contact this week, it occurred to me that I had never actually "listened" to the transmitted CW signal from my KX3. Doing so, I discovered the CW weighting was set heavy by my ears (1.25), quite a bit different than what the CW sidetone represented, and possibly contributing to the readability report. I reset the weighting to "1.05" and the CW output now sounds exactly like the sidetone spacing. For those KX3 drivers out there, you may want to either listen to your transmitted signal, or simply trust my assessment and set menu CW WGHT to 1.05. Dennis - WU6X 		 	   		
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan  5 10:48:12 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 07:48:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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OMG Joe!  You are flat wrong here!

We all need to live together, this sort of thing is going to happen, so
get used to it.  I have heard JTers lower than the allotted 2 KHZ they
have as a suggested frequency, and I don't consider them causing
intentional QRM, I consider them correctly using the spectrum allowed to
them.  I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
make me an intentional QRMer?  

All of the digital subbands are suggested, not mandated, as you know.
You have a few impolite people transmitting on top of each other, mode
does not matter!  That's all it is, impolite people not listening
improper to transmitting.

Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on it
within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and transmit
there does not make me an intentional QRMer...  It makes me an efficient
user of spectrum space.

I try and not do this of course, but to be honest during a contest if no
one is there and the entire RTTY sub bands are full, I will slide into
the JT subband, assuming there is a clear 200 hz., and I am not next to
someone.  If I see that it is getting crowded in the JT bands, I'll
slide back out to leave some room for them...  None of this makes me an
intentional QRMer.  It makes me a polite used of the spectrum.  

We are going to have to get away from all of the "this mode goes here,
and that modes goes there" mindsets...  It wastes spectrum, as evidenced
by your reaction to RTTY in the JT sub bands.  THis is just like putting
little boxes in a drawer, and saying just red pencils go box A, and blue
pencils go in box B, and green ones go in a box C...  Pretty soon you
have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with empty boxes.

   
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On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 10:05 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>  > Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
>  > signal (depending on your country).
> 
> While that is true, IARU recognize the "center of activity" concept.
> The JT65/JT9 "center of activity" is x.076-x.080 *and that does not*
> *change* just because there is a RTTY contest - any more than the
> PACTOR autobots leave 14.095-14.0995/14.1005-14.115 and PSK31/63
> abandons xx.070-xx.074 for the duration of the contest.
> 
> RTTY contesters need to learn if the dial reads less than xx.0805 they
> are causing *intentional QRM* to other modes and find another frequency
> or band.  I was frankly disgusted by the number of *big guns* who should
> know better coming up on top of existing TJT9 and JT65 QSOs all weekend.
> 
> It is time that RTTY contest sponsors make a strong effort to educate
> their participants about other digital activity below xx.080 (between
> xx.070 and xx.080) particularly on 20 and 15 meters.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-01-05 9:34 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> > Like it or not, the bands are shared usually based on bandwidth of the
> > signal (depending on your country).  If you want channelized operation you
> > may have to look elsewhere--just not ham radio.
> >
> > Be very  happy we have this flexibility.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
> > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm just guessing, but didn't someone on the list say there was an RTTY
> >> contest?
> >>
> >> Isn't it fairly common for contesters to get a bit "enthusiastic" and
> >> overlook things, especially when the op is a contester, and not necessarily
> >> on RTTY at any other time?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/3/2015 5:39 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> >>
> >>> What up with all the Lids running JT-65 right over the top of existing
> >>> JT65 QSO's
> >>> Haven't they ever head of Listen before you transmit?
> >>> Better Yet have they heard of a Band Plan?
> >>>
> 
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan  5 11:06:55 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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> Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on
> it within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and
> transmit there does not make me an intentional QRMer... It makes me
> an efficient user of spectrum space.

What you find as an "unused frequency" in the JT sub-band is *not*
necessarily unused - and you know it.  What may appears to you to be
unused is someone listening to the 48 second transmission from another
station you can not hear.

Unfortunately,  the RTTY Contesters have been trained to believe any
frequency that has not been used in the last 100 ms is "unused" and
they are free to "press F1".

 > I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
 > make me an intentional QRMer?

Although very little JT65 is done below .076, what does happen there
is always done with listen first - the waterfall shows any activity.
However, RTTY contesters do not looking at the frequency over a two
minute period to make sure there is no JT65 or JT9 activity there ...
they only care about "their 400 Hz slice for the last two seconds at
most.

RTTY contest participants need to be taught about the characteristics
of other data signals.  They need to avoid those narrow centers of
activity where other digital modes concentrate rather than simply hit
F1 on any frequency that shows no activity in the last second.  Contest
sponsors need to educate their entrants - including score reductions,
if necessary, to get the point across.

> Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with
> empty boxes.

The JT65/JT9 frequencies *were not empty* of JT65/JT9 activity this
past weekend.  If you have any doubt, research the spots activity for
those modes on HAMSPOTS.  Centers of activity concentrate specific
modes in specific areas - they do not promote inefficient spectrum
use unless you consider any frequency that is not used 100% of the
time to be "inefficient spectrum use."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-05 10:48 AM, David Cole wrote:
> OMG Joe!  You are flat wrong here!
>
> We all need to live together, this sort of thing is going to happen, so
> get used to it.  I have heard JTers lower than the allotted 2 KHZ they
> have as a suggested frequency, and I don't consider them causing
> intentional QRM, I consider them correctly using the spectrum allowed to
> them.  I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
> make me an intentional QRMer?
>
> All of the digital subbands are suggested, not mandated, as you know.
> You have a few impolite people transmitting on top of each other, mode
> does not matter!  That's all it is, impolite people not listening
> improper to transmitting.
>
> Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on it
> within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and transmit
> there does not make me an intentional QRMer...  It makes me an efficient
> user of spectrum space.
>
> I try and not do this of course, but to be honest during a contest if no
> one is there and the entire RTTY sub bands are full, I will slide into
> the JT subband, assuming there is a clear 200 hz., and I am not next to
> someone.  If I see that it is getting crowded in the JT bands, I'll
> slide back out to leave some room for them...  None of this makes me an
> intentional QRMer.  It makes me a polite used of the spectrum.
>
> We are going to have to get away from all of the "this mode goes here,
> and that modes goes there" mindsets...  It wastes spectrum, as evidenced
> by your reaction to RTTY in the JT sub bands.  THis is just like putting
> little boxes in a drawer, and saying just red pencils go box A, and blue
> pencils go in box B, and green ones go in a box C...  Pretty soon you
> have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with empty boxes.
>
>
>

From david_okay at msn.com  Mon Jan  5 11:13:30 2015
From: david_okay at msn.com (David Patton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:13:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clifton Laboratories Z10000-K2 panadapter output kit
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Clifton Laboratories Z10000-K2 panadapter output kit, designed for the Elecraft K2. Includes parts for tapping an IF signal from the K2, along with a SoftRock receiver to take the IF and convert to an audio signal for use with a computer with SDR software to generate a panadapter display. Includes optional SMA to BNC jumper cable. For more information, go to: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/Documents/Z10000%20Buffer%20Amplifier%20Assembly%20&%20Operation.pdf. 
The kit is unopened, and includes the Clifton Lab buffer amplifier kit, a 4.915 MHz Softrock Receiver, and SMA to BNC cable.
PRICE IS $50 Plus Shipping
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From gary.mckelvie at btinternet.com  Mon Jan  5 11:18:24 2015
From: gary.mckelvie at btinternet.com (Gary McKelvie)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:18:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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Guys this is true of any mode when a contest is taking place. Out of  what ever mode band signals appear all over the place. 
Perhaps contesting needs to become regulated by the contest organisers and those that take up excessive band width or are out of the appropriate segment need to be penalised. 
This behaviour is not just limited to RTTY. 
73 Gary G7USC

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Jan 2015, at 16:06, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on
>> it within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and
>> transmit there does not make me an intentional QRMer... It makes me
>> an efficient user of spectrum space.
> 
> What you find as an "unused frequency" in the JT sub-band is *not*
> necessarily unused - and you know it.  What may appears to you to be
> unused is someone listening to the 48 second transmission from another
> station you can not hear.
> 
> Unfortunately,  the RTTY Contesters have been trained to believe any
> frequency that has not been used in the last 100 ms is "unused" and
> they are free to "press F1".
> 
> > I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
> > make me an intentional QRMer?
> 
> Although very little JT65 is done below .076, what does happen there
> is always done with listen first - the waterfall shows any activity.
> However, RTTY contesters do not looking at the frequency over a two
> minute period to make sure there is no JT65 or JT9 activity there ...
> they only care about "their 400 Hz slice for the last two seconds at
> most.
> 
> RTTY contest participants need to be taught about the characteristics
> of other data signals.  They need to avoid those narrow centers of
> activity where other digital modes concentrate rather than simply hit
> F1 on any frequency that shows no activity in the last second.  Contest
> sponsors need to educate their entrants - including score reductions,
> if necessary, to get the point across.
> 
>> Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with
>> empty boxes.
> 
> The JT65/JT9 frequencies *were not empty* of JT65/JT9 activity this
> past weekend.  If you have any doubt, research the spots activity for
> those modes on HAMSPOTS.  Centers of activity concentrate specific
> modes in specific areas - they do not promote inefficient spectrum
> use unless you consider any frequency that is not used 100% of the
> time to be "inefficient spectrum use."
> 
> 73,
> 
>  ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 2015-01-05 10:48 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> OMG Joe!  You are flat wrong here!
>> 
>> We all need to live together, this sort of thing is going to happen, so
>> get used to it.  I have heard JTers lower than the allotted 2 KHZ they
>> have as a suggested frequency, and I don't consider them causing
>> intentional QRM, I consider them correctly using the spectrum allowed to
>> them.  I will slide lower than the .76 and do JT as well, so does that
>> make me an intentional QRMer?
>> 
>> All of the digital subbands are suggested, not mandated, as you know.
>> You have a few impolite people transmitting on top of each other, mode
>> does not matter!  That's all it is, impolite people not listening
>> improper to transmitting.
>> 
>> Because I find a clear, unused frequency, with no one transmitting on it
>> within a JT sub band, and I find a full sub band for RTTY, and transmit
>> there does not make me an intentional QRMer...  It makes me an efficient
>> user of spectrum space.
>> 
>> I try and not do this of course, but to be honest during a contest if no
>> one is there and the entire RTTY sub bands are full, I will slide into
>> the JT subband, assuming there is a clear 200 hz., and I am not next to
>> someone.  If I see that it is getting crowded in the JT bands, I'll
>> slide back out to leave some room for them...  None of this makes me an
>> intentional QRMer.  It makes me a polite used of the spectrum.
>> 
>> We are going to have to get away from all of the "this mode goes here,
>> and that modes goes there" mindsets...  It wastes spectrum, as evidenced
>> by your reaction to RTTY in the JT sub bands.  THis is just like putting
>> little boxes in a drawer, and saying just red pencils go box A, and blue
>> pencils go in box B, and green ones go in a box C...  Pretty soon you
>> have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with empty boxes.
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From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jan  5 11:19:54 2015
From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:19:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
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It should be possible.
I am using Bluetooth between my laptop and the P4dragon modem.
Removed all trouble related to HF interference.

Per-Tore
DL/LA7NO


On 5 January 2015 at 13:39, Martin Storli - LA8OKA <arcticpeak at yahoo.no>
wrote:

> Is it posible to make an audio connection with this bluetooth module?It
> would be nice to have an all wireless bluetooth connection for
> digimodes. Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway  ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages!
> http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm
>       Fra: "n5ib at juno.com" <n5ib at juno.com>
>  Til: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Sendt: L?rdag, 3. januar 2015 17.49
>  Emne: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
>
> I picked up some more parts, enough to make a few (<10) more Bluetooth
> serial  interfaces.
> These are designed for the K2/KIO2, but can be used with K3 or KX3.
>
> See http://n5ib.net/Index.xht
>
> There's enough info there to roll your own.
>
> 73
> Jim, N5IB
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From no9e at arrl.net  Mon Jan  5 11:37:58 2015
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:37:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 vs KX3-KPA100
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KX3 may be a good option when you can use a 500W-1KW amplifier directly and
when the speech processor in KX3 is mature. 

There are low-drive options circulating for ALS600 and KPA500, and
forthcoming (for 2 years) 15 lb Expert 1.3K has a module that requires only
1-2 watts for full power. 

In SSB the last time I tried, KX3 was getting 2-3 S lower reports than K3 at
same peak power level.  There was a firmware revision recently but
apparently not big changes.

Ignacy, NO9E



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From k6ctw at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 11:52:17 2015
From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 08:52:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
Message-ID: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

All,

With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as non-functional?

Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.

Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jan  5 11:57:36 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:57:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6EA9n855DoJoueNcTPDRf5Ti=H3y8M5qRZGsFhOGX6QQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477016&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+startech

Hi has port retention which is very handy.

Mike va3mw

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> All,
>
> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs
> old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those
> nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an
> adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
> been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as
> non-functional?
>
> Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.
>
> Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455
>
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From ka2rvo at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 12:01:23 2015
From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAFhiEUERAkaLNeGc6QNqXkMJLFKhhCVyeM6UCpT=hDHsnyTWKw@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft sells a USB-RS232 cable for the K2. If you shop elsewhere, I would
look for an adapter that has the FTDI chip versus a Prolific chip. The FTDI
chips have always worked better for me.

Jim KA2RVO

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> All,
>
> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs
> old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those
> nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an
> adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
> been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as
> non-functional?
>
> Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.
>
> Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
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> Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com
>

From jnogatch at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 12:05:59 2015
From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:05:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6EA9n855DoJoueNcTPDRf5Ti=H3y8M5qRZGsFhOGX6QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CA+33ts6EA9n855DoJoueNcTPDRf5Ti=H3y8M5qRZGsFhOGX6QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADTTAawVn-joDi3Jbbeng5iusGMqJB=_vUsRQQ=Ka2T067BsMQ@mail.gmail.com>

>> ... adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
>> been found to work....

This 4-port GearMo unit has been working well. The LED activity
indicators have been useful.

http://www.amazon.com/GearMo%C2%AE-36inch-Windows-Certified-Drivers/dp/B004ETDC8K/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477177&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+4+port

-John AC6SL

From zumbruns at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 12:17:23 2015
From: zumbruns at comcast.net (STEPHEN R)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:17:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A FAILURE
In-Reply-To: <1087092482.3289161.1420477975858.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2129889430.3294294.1420478243522.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Good morning group.? I have a PR6-10 preamp which works fine on my main radio but doesn't work on radio number 2.? I am able to receive OK through the preamp using secondary antenna but the preamp does not work to amplify signals on 6 and 10 meters.? I know the preamp works fine.??Has anyone had a failure of their KXV3A interface causing similar problem?? Thanks and 73,?Steve W0SZ? 

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 12:21:11 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:21:11 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A FAILURE
In-Reply-To: <2129889430.3294294.1420478243522.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <2129889430.3294294.1420478243522.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54AAC807.3030704@gmail.com>

If you have it connected to the AUX connector on the K3, make sure you 
have set DIGOUT1 to ON in the config menu on the bands that you want to 
activate the preamp on.

On 5 Jan 2015 19:17, STEPHEN R wrote:
> Good morning group.  I have a PR6-10 preamp which works fine on my
> main radio but doesn't work on radio number 2.  I am able to receive
> OK through the preamp using secondary antenna but the preamp does not
> work to amplify signals on 6 and 10 meters.  I know the preamp works
> fine.  Has anyone had a failure of their KXV3A interface causing
> similar problem?  Thanks and 73, Steve W0SZ


-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 12:22:11 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Wiehe via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:22:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Proposed New Years Resolution
Message-ID: <658826836.2841493.1420478531577.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100154.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I would like to propose a New Years resolution to all my fellow Elecraft reflector users, that being that we all to try limit posted topics to Elecraft product related issues. While I ?know we all appreciate the diversity of perspectives we have here and even the need at times to vent on certain matters; I think we should all try and stay focused on the reason the good folks a Elecraft set up this forum which I believe was to support the Elecraft product user community. ?Just to clear, I am not proposing the elimination of all "off topic" comments. However, if you feel the need to engage members of this community in such discussion then I would propose you consider including your email address in your post and request folks respond to you directly.With that said, if you feel the need to reply to my proposal, my email address is listed below.Thanks and Happy New Year.W0BBI - Billw0bbi at arrl.net.?

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 12:26:00 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:26:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6EA9n855DoJoueNcTPDRf5Ti=H3y8M5qRZGsFhOGX6QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CA+33ts6EA9n855DoJoueNcTPDRf5Ti=H3y8M5qRZGsFhOGX6QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7DA9806-9072-4A02-8303-D03E03F3BB29@gmail.com>

Michael, all.

I had the same dilemma and I had to pick up a used refurb laptop with Win 7 on it.   I also purchased a refurb Dell Win 7 for remote control, for my ?remote? station, both replacing my older XP solutions.
They still are available but will be gone soon.  Both have a 9 pin on it as well as multiple USB on them.

I use a 590 and HRD for my remote system.  Want to use my K2 but? the 590 has the ?on-off? command in it, and know I need to buy some more hardware to do the ON/OFF control.

Frank KG9H



On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477016&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+startech
> 
> Hi has port retention which is very handy.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs
>> old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those
>> nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an
>> adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
>> been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as
>> non-functional?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.
>> 
>> Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net
>> 
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jan  5 12:40:31 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 wanted
In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C3@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620E5C3@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5UPy0mdqLFLq=v7VFg+qavL3khePeM=uF6qzjqDr86=A@mail.gmail.com>

I have one.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Cady, Fred <fcady at ece.montana.edu> wrote:

> I'm looking for a KRC2 if anybody has one they want to get rid of.
> Cheers and HNY,
> Fred KE7X
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jan  5 12:59:35 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 09:59:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-FAA952A61F6248CD86CB7E14716CA31B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-FAA952A61F6248CD86CB7E14716CA31B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <54AAD107.9040907@foothill.net>

Re CW vs SSB--  I report the "North American News" for the WW SOTA 
Newsletter on the reflector at www.sotawatch.org and get each month's 
statistics for it.  For Dec 2014 activity:

CW: 1670 (59%) [3043]
SSB: 1036 (36%) [1869]
FM: 110 (3%) [145]

First # is the number of summit-to-chaser or summit-to-summit Q's for 
the month, number in [] is last month's total.  One side of essentially 
every Q [guy on summit] is at QRP levels.  For summit-to-summit Q's, 
both sides are at QRP levels.  The roughly 60/40% ratio of CW/SSB QSO's 
has been holding pretty steady.  Moral is, while CW will likely net you 
more QSO's than SSB, and a number of SOTA fanatics who began SSB-only 
are learning and moving to CW, there are still many contacts to be made 
on phone.

Re /QRP:  "/QRP" as an indicator is compliant with 47CFR97 for US hams 
since there are no ITU prefixes in the block QAA-QZZ.  It may not be 
compliant in other countries.  However,

--It adds 4 characters to your call sign, 3 of which are long characters 
in Morse;

--It conveys essentially no real info, if you're weak for your QSO 
partner, you're weak.  He really doesn't care why.  You could sign 
WB0XXX/BADANT [not compliant in the US, all the B's belong to China] to 
explain why you're weak, but again, he doesn't care.

--A number of folks are easily annoyed by lots of things, /QRP is 
usually one of them

Re QRP Achievement:  If you manage a QSO with a station [such as distant 
DX], you're achievement is persistence ... that QSO was undoubtedly 
preceded by an almost uncountable number of calls which failed.  The 
distant station, not you, gets the receiving achievement.

That said, it is surprising just how strong a 3-5 W station with an EFHW 
on a summit can really be.  Listen in the 14060-14065 range and you'll 
be surprised.  The SOTA 20m SSB watering hole tends to be 14340-14345.

Someone asked about depleting a LiFePO4 too far ... my K2 quits at about 
10.0 - 10.3 volts which is just about the "knee" of the discharge curve 
and right about where you want to stop the discharge.  This is true of 
most QRP radios running on a nominal 12 V battery.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/4/2015 9:51 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> I second the thought that you will have more success with narrow band
> modes like CW and PSK31 than you will with modes like SSB and RTTY.
> Regardless of mode, running QRP and getting a response on your first
> call can make your entire day. It more than makes up for those other
> days when you don't seem to be able to contact anyone.


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Mon Jan  5 13:26:56 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:26:56 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <8303734D-42E9-4475-B1C8-6191313AACDB@shoreham.net>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8303734D-42E9-4475-B1C8-6191313AACDB@shoreham.net>
Message-ID: <EB9DCA91454B4395B172DE1C16FE8799@DavidPC>

A friend just did the following with 2W and an end fed half wave from SOTA 
peak G/NP-031 Birks Fell, UK, 2013 feet, 610m asl.

SOTA brings QRPers together from all over the world.

David
G3UNA


 in less than 15 minutes...

EA5HJY Manolo in Alicante, Spain

DL1DVE Thomas in Grossroehrdorf, Germany

EA5NR Isidro in Alicante, Spain

CU3EJ Leonel in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores

EA2LU Jorge in Pamplona, Spain

OM9XX Special Event station in Slovakia

OH6JYH Harri in Laukaa, Finland

HB9CEX Peter in Endingen, Switzerland

DF5WA Berthold in Mainz, Germany

LA8BCA Terje in Kvam, Norway

CU3AA Joao in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores

DK7ZH Manfred in Dietzhoelztal, Germany

EA2LMI Luis in Navarra, Spain

DJ5AV Michael in Heilingenberg, Germany

DL3JPN Steffen in Oberlungwitz, Germany

HB9MKV Rudi in Buesserach, Switzerland

EA1DFP Quique in Coruna, Spain

IK2ILH Mau in Milan, Italy

OK2PDT Jan in Brno, Czech Republic

OK1KT Vratislav in Hradec Kralove, Czech republic

OK1SDE Borek in Liberec, Czech Republic

OM1AX Vlado in Zohor, Czech Republic

DL8UVG Volkhard in Spremberg, Germany

LA1ENA/P Aage on the SOTA summit LA/TM-227 Seterkollane in Norway (summit to 
summit contact)



From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  5 13:29:35 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:29:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2015 - Updated
In-Reply-To: <4DDEC500.6060701@elecraft.com>
References: <4DDEC500.6060701@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54AAD80F.3030000@elecraft.com>

Elecraft eMail LIST GUIDELINES 2015

For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have rapidly 
failing memories) here is a quick list of things to remember when posting to 
this list. Please save this for future reference.

The most important thing to remember is that this is a hobby - Let's have fun!

The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a polite and enjoyable forum 
for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to Elecraft, 
share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.

The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the discussion 
of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for the discussion 
of both technical and operating topics including product features, construction 
and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and impressions from using our 
products and more general ham radio related topics of interest to our customers.

(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone to 5 
posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you feel the 
urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last word'..


1. YOU MUST BE SUBSCRIBED to the [Elecraft] list TO POST to it. (This is done to 
stop advertising spammers from hitting the list.) Any postings sent to 
elecraft at mailman.qth.net by addresses different from the exact ones it shows as 
subscribers will be rejected.

This includes alias (forwarded) addresses like w1xyz at arrl.net. If you use an 
alias to subscribe you must have it as your from: and return address too. 
Subscribing with w1aw at arrl.net from your physical address of joe at aol.com will 
allow you to receive postings, but your postings to
the list will be rejected if their from: and reply to: address does not match 
your subscribe address..

Go to http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft to subscribe and to 
change your list preferences. To unsubscribe or to change your list preferences 
(digest, no mail on/off etc.), scroll to the bottom of the page and log in with 
your subscribed email address and the password that was sent to you by email 
when you subscribed (and sent to you each month).


2. If you want to provide an attachment, .JPG picture or other large file for 
use on the list, first post it to your personal web page and then post a link to 
its address in an email to the list. The list strips all attachments to prevent 
viruses from propagating and to keep the archives at a reasonable size.


3. Top posting is the official standard for this list, and its especially
important for those of us who also read our email on smartphones, iPads etc. 
Scrolling though a long thread before getting to the reply text is difficult on 
these devices and costs everyone a lot of time.

Reading the response first, at the top, is a huge time saver, especially when 
you have to read hundreds of emails daily as we do here. We really appreciate 
your adherence to this.

Please also delete -all- footers and as much of the prior email text as possible 
when replying to cut down on overall email size. Please keep the amount of 
copied text from previous posts to an -ABSOLUTE MINIMUM- in your replies.


4. EMAIL OVERLOAD:
If you are overloaded by the volume of individual messages on the list, You can 
view the daily Elecraft list messages for each month in web format at: 
http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html . These archives are updated hourly and list 
postings by subject. (the Nabble archive looks very useful.) Just click on the 
ones you are interested in to read.

You can also set your Elecraft list email preferences to 'no mail' delivery, 
which still allows you to post to the list when reading via the digest.

You can also change your subscription to the DIGEST version, which sends you a 
single compilation each day.

To change your email list options or to subscribe / unsubscribe, go to:
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Scroll to the bottom of the 
page to log into your preferences page and set your mail options to 'no mail'.


4a. Please make an effort to keep list volume under control by resisting the 
urge to post a comment on every long discussion thread (CW, Soldering etc.) With 
thousands of list subscribers volume can quickly get out of control if everyone 
feels the need to comment. While we do not overly restrict the subject matter on 
this list, please remember that its primary focus is on Elecraft products, and 
their use. Many people rely on it for pointers on building, using and 
troubleshooting their rigs. Other ham Radio topics are OK, but please keep the 
posts on non-Elecraft topics under control.

4b. *** When emailing about a specific rig or option, please add the rig/option 
name(s) to the first part of your email subject line. (K1, K2, K3, KX1 etc.) 
This will be a huge help for those experiencing email overload and will allow 
automatic filtering based on subject line.

Examples: "Subject: [K3] Filter Options"
           "Subject: [KX1] How to use ped portable?"
           "Subject: [XG2] Wow! Its a big help.


5. *** IMPORTANT - PLEASE KEEP ALL POSTINGS CORDIAL.

Restrain the urge to email someone admonishing them about a posting, or snidely 
commenting on it. The last thing we want to do is to scare anyone off the list. 
Overly aggressive postings, arguments and negative comments about other posters 
only serve to scare away new potential Elecraft community members.

Waiting over night before hitting 'send' really helps to put things in perspective..

Remember that -everything- you post here is archived and publicly visible for as 
long as the internet exists. Do you really want your friends, employers, kids 
etc. reading what you just posted in anger, foolishness, arrogance etc?

If you have a complaint about someone or a thread please email it directly to me 
( eric at elecraft.com ) and I'll address it.

Please do not post complaints about other postings to the list.

5a. Do not post publicly or privately asking people to stop a particular thread, 
no matter how long, off topic or repetitive it gets. Email me instead. I will 
step in when I feel it is necessary to end a thread. (eric at elecraft.com)


5a1. Please exercise restraint in posting when a thread is getting heavily 
covered. 10-15 posts on one topic in a day is excessive. Please do not vote 
yay/nay or with 'me too' postings. That only clogs our email in-boxes.


5b. Please do not post any direct attacks or snide comments directed at a list 
member. Enthusiastic arguments are encouraged, but please keep everything 
cordial. Members who verbally attack or denigrate another (either via the list 
or via direct email) may be removed from the list.

As the only official list moderator, I'll jump in as necessary to keep 
everything orderly. I do this off line and occasionally to the list when it is 
appropriate.

Our goal is to keep the Elecraft list a fun, relaxed and informative central 
clearing house for Elecraft information and enthusiasm.


6. There are -no- stupid questions. Please feel free to post your technical 
questions and comments to the list.  (And absolutely do not criticize posters 
for their questions either on list or via direct email.)

Elecraft owners are your best source for quick answers (and they NEVER
sleep!) If you don't get the answers you need from the list please email us 
direct at support(at)elecraft.com , which is our customer service address. We do 
try to watch the list traffic, but we may not respond to everything immediately 
and may miss some postings sent to the list or our personal addresses.


7. Please do post your experiences with your Elecraft kit, DX worked, crazy
ideas, product ideas, complaints (yes - we do want to hear them, but please keep 
it polite  .

7a. Commercial postings are allowed if they relate to Elecraft products, QRP, 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jan  5 13:33:03 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:33:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lost your list Password? - Here's how to get it.
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20011229103445.00aa4410@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20011229103445.00aa4410@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54AAD8DF.5070809@elecraft.com>

If you have misplaced your elecraft list password, or if you never received it, 
here is how to get it sent to you again.

Go to: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

and scroll to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address (the one you used 
for the list) and click on 'Edit Options'. This takes you to your personal list 
options page. One of the buttons on that page is labeled" 'Email my password to me'.

Once you have your password, go to the above link and enter it to change your
subscription parameters (digest mode, unsub etc.)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ



From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan  5 13:54:48 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:54:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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	<54AAB69F.2060207@subich.com>
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On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 11:06 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV spewed forth with:

> What you find as an "unused frequency" in the JT sub-band is *not*
> necessarily unused - and you know it.  What may appears to you to be
> unused is someone listening to the 48 second transmission from another
> station you can not hear.

So because there MIGHT be someone on a frequency then no one should use
it, ever!  Bzzzzt!  Wrong again Joe!  Your logic is not sound-- and you
know it.  If we all followed that logic then the bands would not have
anyone on them, we would all be respecting the silence and not
transmitting because someone we don't hear might be on.  Your model
fails the scale test.  

To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.

A better solution might be for people to try and avoid those areas,
(which for the most part is happening already), or actually set some
areas aside in a meaningful, thoughtful, way, for ALL, low signal level
modes (read that as not just JT modes, but ALL low signal level modes),
to use!  

There is already a JT9 area, AND a JT65 area, they should be mixed, you
know it, and the users know it!  There is ZERO reason for the
separation, other than a way to expand a gentleman?s agreement beyond
what is already there.  The modes take so little space to use, set aside
10 KHZ for ALL low power modes, not just JT modes!  I would be all for
that!  Do it via rules, and give it some teeth, but not just for JT
modes!

> Unfortunately,  the RTTY Contesters have been trained to believe any
> frequency that has not been used in the last 100 ms is "unused" and
> they are free to "press F1".

Untrue Joe, and a very prejudicial statement to be making!  Please DO
NOT judge all RTTYers by a few, and please do not put all contest flaws
on the RTTYers heads.  

> Although very little JT65 is done below .076, what does happen there
> is always done with listen first - the waterfall shows any activity.

What if there is a QRSS mode QSO happening, will the JTer see it, if he
does, will he wait the three days it takes to send a letter of code to
be sure he is not transmitting on top of the QRSS signal, I think not!

Your model fails the scale test again!  Same logic applies!  Stay in
your JT65 sub band, there might be a low level contact happening YOU
can't see...  

You don't get it both ways, no one can encroach on the JT bands, because
they can't tell if a QSO is in progress, but the JTers don't have to
even care because they are special...  Sorry Joe, you are just wrong
here!  BTW, MixW, and FLDigi, the two major pieces of software also show
JT activity, almost as well as the JT software does if one has then set
correctly and one looks, so the JTers don't have "special" eyes that
RTTYers and other contesters don't have.

> However, RTTY contesters do not looking at the frequency over a two
> minute period to make sure there is no JT65 or JT9 activity there ...
> they only care about "their 400 Hz slice for the last two seconds at
> most.  

That applies to ALL contesters, not just RTTYers!  I see CW in the JT
bands during some contests!  Not to justify that behavior, ut you are
talking about contesters, not RTTYers here...  It also applies to the
"out of band" JTers, they better wait three days to be sure there is not
a QRSS contact in place...

> RTTY contest participants need to be taught about the characteristics
> of other data signals.  They need to avoid those narrow centers of
> activity where other digital modes concentrate rather than simply hit
> F1 on any frequency that shows no activity in the last second.  Contest
> sponsors need to educate their entrants - including score reductions,
> if necessary, to get the point across.

Wrong again!  That should apply to ALL Amateur Operators, not just
contesters, ALL of us could use a refresher on this, not just RTTYers,
or SSTVers, or JTers.  

> > Pretty soon you have 3 or 4 pencils taking up the entire drawer with
> > empty boxes.
> 
> The JT65/JT9 frequencies *were not empty* of JT65/JT9 activity this
> past weekend.  If you have any doubt, research the spots activity for
> those modes on HAMSPOTS.  Centers of activity concentrate specific
> modes in specific areas - they do not promote inefficient spectrum
> use unless you consider any frequency that is not used 100% of the
> time to be "inefficient spectrum use."

I run JT all the time Joe, and we both know that 50% of the time, the JT
frequency?s are not even close 50% of full utilization.  You know it,
and I know it, and every JTer knows it.  

Next time you think the JT63 band is full switch to JT9 sub band, it's
ALWAYS empty.  

Better yet, switch to JT9 mode!  My God man, you can put a billion JT9
signals in a KHz...  We both know the JT9 band is 90% empty, 90% of the
time!  

I have a neighbor with a KW, that he fires up on RTTY now and then 10
KHz from me while on JT mode, and it does not bother my JT one bit.  

I bought my K3 for that very reason, hams close in...  You JT guys go
nuts at each other over power levels all the time...  Lets see, JT
people fight with RTTYers, JT people fight with CW ops, JT people fight
with each other...  And always about "their" sub band.  I am sensing a
pattern here Joe!  

Honestly what does it take to get a segment set aside by the FCC for low
level signaling?  Has anyone even looked at this, and if so what steps
were taken...  Try and get a 10 KHz section cut out for Low Level
signals, I'd support that in a moment!  Until then expect incursions
into what the users are trying to make a private band... 

Work with people Joe, stop telling them that as a class they suck.  Not
all contesters are fools and bad people, and for the most part they are
as careful as possible in that environment.  

Maybe all contesting should be banned?  I don't think that will happen--
ever!  And before you get wound up about the "that environment" comment
I just made, get used to it, contesting is not going away, nor are
contesters.  Your ONLY option here is to work with people, not tell them
how rotten they are.


-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
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http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan  5 14:23:22 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 11:23:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <1420484088.17809.73.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<CA+33ts7hyOGLhVcRs-7iRTo-9QHqpiUeM9f8nvuv4=YdD3FyaQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54AAA839.2020808@subich.com>
	<1420472892.17809.20.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>	<54AAB69F.2060207@subich.com>
	<1420484088.17809.73.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <54AAE4AA.3030205@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.

I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of 
doing so when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true of 
CW or SSB on contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot of 
spectrum, but none of us owns any frequency, either individually or as a 
group. Contest organizers intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and RTTY 
contesting intentionally avoids 160M. Someone who wants to work JT65 or 
PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M, or 12M. So 
can CW operators. At least one of these bands will usually be open 
enough to have fun.

73, Jim K9YC

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 14:32:12 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:32:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Proposed New Years Resolution
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References: <658826836.2841493.1420478531577.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100154.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <838984137.4839500.1420486332533.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106139.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>>> I would like to propose a New Years resolution <<<
Bill, did you kept your last year resolution? 
New years resolutions are even less worthy than a Politicians campaigns promises.
(((73))) Milverton. 

      From: Bill Wiehe via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 11:22 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Proposed New Years Resolution
   
I would like to propose a New Years resolution to all my fellow Elecraft reflector users, that being that we all to try limit posted topics to Elecraft product related issues. While I ?know we all appreciate the diversity of perspectives we have here and even the need at times to vent on certain matters; I think we should all try and stay focused on the reason the good folks a Elecraft set up this forum which I believe was to support the Elecraft product user community. ?Just to clear, I am not proposing the elimination of all "off topic" comments. However, if you feel the need to engage members of this community in such discussion then I would propose you consider including your email address in your post and request folks respond to you directly.With that said, if you feel the need to reply to my proposal, my email address is listed below.Thanks and Happy New Year.W0BBI - Billw0bbi at arrl.net.?
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From wes at triconet.org  Mon Jan  5 14:36:09 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:36:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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I agree with both of you.  If you want to use (and brag about) modes where you 
(your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then you should not 
complain when those same human beings don't know your computer is using the 
frequency.

Wes  N7WS


On 1/5/2015 12:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
>> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
>> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.
>
> I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of doing so 
> when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true of CW or SSB on 
> contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot of spectrum, but none of 
> us owns any frequency, either individually or as a group. Contest organizers 
> intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and RTTY contesting intentionally avoids 
> 160M. Someone who wants to work JT65 or PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can 
> QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M, or 12M. So can CW operators. At least one of these 
> bands will usually be open enough to have fun.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From n1nk at cox.net  Mon Jan  5 15:29:21 2015
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted:  P3
Message-ID: <003301d02926$49bb6ba0$dd3242e0$@cox.net>

With or without the SVGA card.  To be shipped to Tiverton, RI.

 

Jim Spears

N1NK

 

 


From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan  5 15:31:27 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:31:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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On 2015-01-05 2:36 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I agree with both of you.  If you want to use (and brag about) modes
> where you (your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then
> you should not complain when those same human beings don't know your
> computer is using the frequency.

This has progressed past the "OT limit" but the issue isn't QRM to
signals "inaudible to human beings" ... it is QRM to signals that
*ARE* audible but using a different and incompatible encoding system.
The RTTY operators are transmitting where they know (or should know)
that other protocols are regularly used *without listening* for the
other activity.

Contesters do not have a "priority right" to any frequency they want
and should be expected to listen long enough to determine whether the
frequency is occupied and go someplace else if it is - contest or not.
With JT65/JT9, it takes *at least* 70 seconds of listening to be sure
to catch either side of a QSO.  Listen for 5 seconds at 50 seconds
into the minute and the entire JT65/JT9 "segment" is going to sound
unused ... but that's not the fact.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-05 2:36 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I agree with both of you.  If you want to use (and brag about) modes
> where you (your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then
> you should not complain when those same human beings don't know your
> computer is using the frequency.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
> On 1/5/2015 12:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
>>> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
>>> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
>>> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.
>>
>> I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of
>> doing so when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true
>> of CW or SSB on contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot
>> of spectrum, but none of us owns any frequency, either individually or
>> as a group. Contest organizers intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and
>> RTTY contesting intentionally avoids 160M. Someone who wants to work
>> JT65 or PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M,
>> or 12M. So can CW operators. At least one of these bands will usually
>> be open enough to have fun.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 15:43:10 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Hammond via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:43:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
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Message-ID: <E69E4B51-E8F5-4035-A126-3385DBDEEABE@aol.com>

I use this one:  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3502723&csid=_61 <http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3502723&csid=_61> 

I use this model on two iMac machines and one Windows 7 (Dell XPS 8700).  It is a Sabrent USB 2.0 to Serial model FT1K.  This one has a short 1? cable. 

 If you need a 6? cable this one is for you:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=690719&csid=_61 <http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=690719&csid=_61> 

There is a long story about chip sets and counterfeits that are disabled ?long, long story.  But I know these work so you can skip the long story.


73,
Bill-AK5X 


> On Jan 5, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Michael, all.
> 
> I had the same dilemma and I had to pick up a used refurb laptop with Win 7 on it.   I also purchased a refurb Dell Win 7 for remote control, for my ?remote? station, both replacing my older XP solutions.
> They still are available but will be gone soon.  Both have a 9 pin on it as well as multiple USB on them.
> 
> I use a 590 and HRD for my remote system.  Want to use my K2 but? the 590 has the ?on-off? command in it, and know I need to buy some more hardware to do the ON/OFF control.
> 
> Frank KG9H
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net <mailto:va3mw at portcredit.net>> wrote:
> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477016&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+startech <http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477016&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+startech>
>> 
>> Hi has port retention which is very handy.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net <mailto:k6ctw at earthlink.net>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs
>>> old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those
>>> nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an
>>> adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
>>> been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as
>>> non-functional?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.
>>> 
>>> Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455
>>> 
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From w0ghz at arrl.net  Mon Jan  5 16:00:32 2015
From: w0ghz at arrl.net (Gary Mohrlant)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:00:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RX Audio ON/OFF
Message-ID: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>

I like to using the RX audio Equalization on my K3.

I use the K3 for some of the digital modes and when I do I need to have 
a flat audio response.

Is there a way to turn off the equalization when I don't want it and 
then turn it on when not running digital modes.

I know I can reset it to flat in the menu by pressing CLR but then I 
have to go thru the set up again.

Setup:    I'm using the line output.

I'm not a programer so I don't know if this could be done with a Macro 
or if this is something that Elecraft could provide in a software update.


Gary W0GHZ
EN34 in MN
w0ghz at arrl.net

From ptaa at ieee.org  Mon Jan  5 16:07:13 2015
From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:07:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RX Audio ON/OFF
In-Reply-To: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
References: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAPE-h68HvtV+hur15Rb67XT+xEeCD4YdDoa_Zn0qZoPBq3cbjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Both Tx and Rx equalizer settings are automatically reset when selecting
digital modes.

Per-Tore
DL/LA7NO


On 5 January 2015 at 22:00, Gary Mohrlant <w0ghz at arrl.net> wrote:

> I like to using the RX audio Equalization on my K3.
>
> I use the K3 for some of the digital modes and when I do I need to have a
> flat audio response.
>
> Is there a way to turn off the equalization when I don't want it and then
> turn it on when not running digital modes.
>
> I know I can reset it to flat in the menu by pressing CLR but then I have
> to go thru the set up again.
>
> Setup:    I'm using the line output.
>
> I'm not a programer so I don't know if this could be done with a Macro or
> if this is something that Elecraft could provide in a software update.
>
>
> Gary W0GHZ
> EN34 in MN
> w0ghz at arrl.net
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jan  5 16:07:51 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:07:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RX Audio ON/OFF
In-Reply-To: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
References: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <DDDA04B6-20A8-48A5-A9DA-5FAA3E29DA1F@wunderwood.org>

The DATA A mode is USB, but turns off RX EQ, TX EQ, and compression.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Gary Mohrlant <w0ghz at arrl.net> wrote:

> I like to using the RX audio Equalization on my K3.
> 
> I use the K3 for some of the digital modes and when I do I need to have a flat audio response.
> 
> Is there a way to turn off the equalization when I don't want it and then turn it on when not running digital modes.
> 
> I know I can reset it to flat in the menu by pressing CLR but then I have to go thru the set up again.
> 
> Setup:    I'm using the line output.
> 
> I'm not a programer so I don't know if this could be done with a Macro or if this is something that Elecraft could provide in a software update.
> 
> 
> Gary W0GHZ
> EN34 in MN
> w0ghz at arrl.net
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From lists at subich.com  Mon Jan  5 16:30:19 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:30:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RX Audio ON/OFF
In-Reply-To: <DDDA04B6-20A8-48A5-A9DA-5FAA3E29DA1F@wunderwood.org>
References: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
	<DDDA04B6-20A8-48A5-A9DA-5FAA3E29DA1F@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <54AB026B.4020909@subich.com>


 > The DATA A mode is USB, but turns off RX EQ, TX EQ, and compression.

  ... it can also be configured to automatically select Line IN and mute
the microphone to eliminate extraneous noises on transmit.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-05 4:07 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The DATA A mode is USB, but turns off RX EQ, TX EQ, and compression.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Gary Mohrlant <w0ghz at arrl.net> wrote:
>
>> I like to using the RX audio Equalization on my K3.
>>
>> I use the K3 for some of the digital modes and when I do I need to have a flat audio response.
>>
>> Is there a way to turn off the equalization when I don't want it and then turn it on when not running digital modes.
>>
>> I know I can reset it to flat in the menu by pressing CLR but then I have to go thru the set up again.
>>
>> Setup:    I'm using the line output.
>>
>> I'm not a programer so I don't know if this could be done with a Macro or if this is something that Elecraft could provide in a software update.
>>
>>
>> Gary W0GHZ
>> EN34 in MN
>> w0ghz at arrl.net
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From w0ghz at arrl.net  Mon Jan  5 16:41:08 2015
From: w0ghz at arrl.net (Gary Mohrlant)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 15:41:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RX Audio ON/OFF
In-Reply-To: <DDDA04B6-20A8-48A5-A9DA-5FAA3E29DA1F@wunderwood.org>
References: <54AAFB70.3050806@arrl.net>
	<DDDA04B6-20A8-48A5-A9DA-5FAA3E29DA1F@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <54AB04F4.8040504@arrl.net>

Thanks  Walter

I just looked at Data A in the on line manual and it states that USB is 
used and compression is set to zero but it doesn't say anything about
RX EQ or TX EQ being turned off.

I tried DATA A and it works like you said

Gary W0GHZ

On 1/5/2015 3:07 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The DATA A mode is USB, but turns off RX EQ, TX EQ, and compression.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Gary Mohrlant <w0ghz at arrl.net> wrote:
>
>> I like to using the RX audio Equalization on my K3.
>>
>> I use the K3 for some of the digital modes and when I do I need to have a flat audio response.
>>
>> Is there a way to turn off the equalization when I don't want it and then turn it on when not running digital modes.
>>
>> I know I can reset it to flat in the menu by pressing CLR but then I have to go thru the set up again.
>>
>> Setup:    I'm using the line output.
>>
>> I'm not a programer so I don't know if this could be done with a Macro or if this is something that Elecraft could provide in a software update.
>>
>>
>> Gary W0GHZ
>> EN34 in MN
>> w0ghz at arrl.net
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From byron at n6nul.org  Mon Jan  5 16:48:16 2015
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:48:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
In-Reply-To: <CAPE-h69YKwQUw5nzcEaNyryKZLE949aCWhU7aJXtJUMhjWdA3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150103.104954.40288.5.n5ib@juno.com>
	<222837147.4658206.1420461576990.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
	<CAPE-h69YKwQUw5nzcEaNyryKZLE949aCWhU7aJXtJUMhjWdA3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANB4+4FZwEC8qZzZLMPC6t2uQPsTF75F=oXc5BPpN9h3D-rmgw@mail.gmail.com>

You may also want to consider a COTS solution like this:

http://www.aircable.net/products/serial5.php

I have used them in the past, but not tried with my K2.  Connected to
the regular serial cable output (remember: the KIO2 port is not a
serial port directly), it would work fine.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Per-Tore Aasestrand <ptaa at ieee.org> wrote:
> It should be possible.
> I am using Bluetooth between my laptop and the P4dragon modem.
> Removed all trouble related to HF interference.
>
> Per-Tore
> DL/LA7NO
>
>
> On 5 January 2015 at 13:39, Martin Storli - LA8OKA <arcticpeak at yahoo.no>
> wrote:
>
>> Is it posible to make an audio connection with this bluetooth module?It
>> would be nice to have an all wireless bluetooth connection for
>> digimodes. Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway  ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages!
>> http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm
>>       Fra: "n5ib at juno.com" <n5ib at juno.com>
>>  Til: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>  Sendt: L?rdag, 3. januar 2015 17.49
>>  Emne: [Elecraft] Bluetooth serial interface for K2, etc
>>
>> I picked up some more parts, enough to make a few (<10) more Bluetooth
>> serial  interfaces.
>> These are designed for the K2/KIO2, but can be used with K3 or KX3.
>>
>> See http://n5ib.net/Index.xht
>>
>> There's enough info there to roll your own.
>>
>> 73
>> Jim, N5IB
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- www.cqp.org

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 17:00:23 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A FAILURE
In-Reply-To: <2129889430.3294294.1420478243522.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <2129889430.3294294.1420478243522.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1526148337.2932720.1420495223416.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100124.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


How do you have this connected to two radios?




      From: STEPHEN R <zumbruns at comcast.net>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 12:17 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A FAILURE
   
Good morning group.? I have a PR6-10 preamp which works fine on my main radio but doesn't work on radio number 2.? I am able to receive OK through the preamp using secondary antenna but the preamp does not work to amplify signals on 6 and 10 meters.? I know the preamp works fine.??Has anyone had a failure of their KXV3A interface causing similar problem?? Thanks and 73,?Steve W0SZ? 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 17:26:22 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:26:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of LP
	Bridge?
Message-ID: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was usinga pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across applications.
If so how are you doing it?
Thank you


From mcduffie at ag0n.net  Mon Jan  5 18:21:44 2015
From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
Message-ID: <rv6maahc7ggn5abkrs92cno16q1nu3f6ef@4ax.com>


> It is time that RTTY contest sponsors make a strong effort to educate
> their participants about other digital activity below xx.080 (between
> xx.070 and xx.080) particularly on 20 and 15 meters.

Amen, Joe.  And let's not forget that many of these non-RTTY modes are supposed
to be QRP modes.  RTTY definitely is not.  There are lots of stations out there
running less than 10 watts on the JT modes.

Gary

From jrmcbee at cox.net  Mon Jan  5 19:09:14 2015
From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:09:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <cKPl1p00R45oxQM01KPoQj>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<CA+33ts7hyOGLhVcRs-7iRTo-9QHqpiUeM9f8nvuv4=YdD3FyaQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54AAA839.2020808@subich.com>	<1420472892.17809.20.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>	<54AAB69F.2060207@subich.com>	<1420484088.17809.73.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<cKPl1p00R45oxQM01KPoQj>
Message-ID: <54AB27AA.6030903@cox.net>

On 1/5/2015 1:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
>> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
>> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.
>
> I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of 
> doing so when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true 
> of CW or SSB on contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot 
> of spectrum, but none of us owns any frequency, either individually or 
> as a group. Contest organizers intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and 
> RTTY contesting intentionally avoids 160M. Someone who wants to work 
> JT65 or PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M, 
> or 12M. So can CW operators. At least one of these bands will usually 
> be open enough to have fun.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Not to be rude, but why is this on the Elecraft site?  It has nothing to 
do with Elecraft!!

John
KM5PS

From dezrat at outlook.com  Mon Jan  5 19:50:03 2015
From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:50:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<CA+33ts7hyOGLhVcRs-7iRTo-9QHqpiUeM9f8nvuv4=YdD3FyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54AAA839.2020808@subich.com><1420472892.17809.20.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<54AAB69F.2060207@subich.com><1420484088.17809.73.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<54AAE4AA.3030205@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP214CBB9B04EF8B5C478C4F4C0590@phx.gbl>

------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)

On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:36:09 -0700, you wrote:

>I agree with both of you.  If you want to use (and brag about) modes where you 
>(your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then you should not 
>complain when those same human beings don't know your computer is using the 
>frequency.
>
>Wes  N7WS

REPLY:

Best summation so far. 

Bill W6WRT

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 19:50:31 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 00:50:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
References: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.
Not sure about the bragging you speak of???

Since Contesting is supposed to teach Amateurs to be better operators (for emergencies and the like)I would be led to believe that the contester of all people should be one to take the most stringentsteps to operate in a manner as to not cause interference to other operators, would you not agree?
After all in a real emergency you would mot want to be causing interference, correct?






      From: Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
   
I agree with both of you.? If you want to use (and brag about) modes where you 
(your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then you should not 
complain when those same human beings don't know your computer is using the 
frequency.

Wes? N7WS


On 1/5/2015 12:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
>> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
>> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
>> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.
>
> I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of doing so 
> when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true of CW or SSB on 
> contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot of spectrum, but none of 
> us owns any frequency, either individually or as a group. Contest organizers 
> intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and RTTY contesting intentionally avoids 
> 160M. Someone who wants to work JT65 or PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can 
> QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M, or 12M. So can CW operators. At least one of these 
> bands will usually be open enough to have fun.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
>

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From mda at n1en.org  Mon Jan  5 20:09:16 2015
From: mda at n1en.org (Michael Adams)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 01:09:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
	<2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLUPR02MB097A2E02664FCCDC25F98B292590@BLUPR02MB097.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I thought that contesting was a manifestation of how boys with toys naturally like to see whose toys are the best / or who can use their toys the best.

"Best toys" is, of course, the reason that we're here (to bring the thread sorta on topic).  :)

-- 
Michael Adams | N1EN | mda at n1en.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, 5 January, 2015 19:51
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency

JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.
Not sure about the bragging you speak of???

Since Contesting is supposed to teach Amateurs to be better operators (for emergencies and the like)I would be led to believe that the contester of all people should be one to take the most stringentsteps to operate in a manner as to not cause interference to other operators, would you not agree?
After all in a real emergency you would mot want to be causing interference, correct?



From karlerb7 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 20:38:53 2015
From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:38:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <54AB27AA.6030903@cox.net>
References: <268583863.2469496.1420335564850.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54A89FC3.1020802@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<CA+33ts7hyOGLhVcRs-7iRTo-9QHqpiUeM9f8nvuv4=YdD3FyaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54AAA839.2020808@subich.com>
	<1420472892.17809.20.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<54AAB69F.2060207@subich.com>
	<1420484088.17809.73.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<cKPl1p00R45oxQM01KPoQj> <54AB27AA.6030903@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4478F784-2B0A-4ED9-BCE7-6AF550F83031@gmail.com>

I'm with you John.  Enough, at last.

W3BF

Karl Erb
5253 Strathmore Ave
Kensington, MD 20895
301 456 6212

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:09 PM, John McBee <jrmcbee at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/2015 1:23 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon,1/5/2015 10:54 AM, David Cole wrote:
>>> To expect the worldwide Amateur Radio community, to clear out space on
>>> every band, for the few hundred JT users, on the off chance someone
>>> might be transmitting, is simply insane and selfish.
>> 
>> I've made a lot of QSOs using the WSJT modes, but I wouldn't dream of doing so when a contest is occupying the same space. The same is true of CW or SSB on contesting bands during a contest. We hams have a lot of spectrum, but none of us owns any frequency, either individually or as a group. Contest organizers intentionally avoid the WARC bands, and RTTY contesting intentionally avoids 160M. Someone who wants to work JT65 or PSK31 on HF during a RTTY contest can QSY to 160M, 30M, 17M, or 12M. So can CW operators. At least one of these bands will usually be open enough to have fun.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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> Not to be rude, but why is this on the Elecraft site?  It has nothing to do with Elecraft!!
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:03:16 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <3724020.1420476737978.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54AB4264.80708@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

The K2 may not be the only need for RS-232 serial ports in the 
hamshack.  For that reason, I suggest you look at a multiport USB to 
serial converter.  I can recommend the Edgeport - it comes in 4 and 8 
port varieties - I have a 4 port.   I have successfully run HRD (which 
polls rapidly) with the K2.
Many USB to serial adapters do not work well at slower baud rates.
Sidenote - there is a subtle difference between those devices called 
converters vs. adapters.
Usually those termed converters were designed for commercial 
applications and often must handle 1200 baud to 38,400 baud.
You can find Edgeport adapters used on Ebay and other sources - they are 
quite pricy if they are new.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2015 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote:
> All,
>
> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as non-functional?
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:17:33 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:17:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of LP
 Bridge?
In-Reply-To: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54AB45BD.40604@embarqmail.com>

Harry,

RS-232 is a point to point protocol, so no hardware sharing - some 
hardware devices get away with connecting into the data stream by *only* 
listening to the traffic - SteppIR controllers are one example.  
Multiple transmitters on the same connection will corrupt the data.

However, if you run only one application at a time, you *could* use an 
A/B/C/D switch with 4 serial ports on your computer after telling each 
application to use a different com port.
BUT --
The easier solution is to simply close any conflicting application and 
open a new one, each using the same com port.  The only problem with 
that is that there are some ham applications that do not clean up their 
'dirty footprints' and will leave the com port open when the application 
has closed, and that condition can only be solved by re-booting the 
computer.

A software virtual com port sharing solution like LP-Bridge is the best 
solution if you want to run multiple applications at once.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2015 5:26 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was usinga pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across applications.
> If so how are you doing it?
>


From jim at rhodesend.net  Mon Jan  5 21:28:52 2015
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:28:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of LP
	Bridge?
In-Reply-To: <54AB45BD.40604@embarqmail.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54AB45BD.40604@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4aDhAf1aQnHuYQJtX7FkDwKiBsfwjmaboPPNCYhf+VKPA@mail.gmail.com>

I have somewhere an old "Omniport" device that had multiple ports that
could be set to switch all sorts of ways. But if memory serves it was a 1
to 1 setup. Would have to look for the docs on it.
On Jan 5, 2015 8:18 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Harry,
>
> RS-232 is a point to point protocol, so no hardware sharing - some
> hardware devices get away with connecting into the data stream by *only*
> listening to the traffic - SteppIR controllers are one example.  Multiple
> transmitters on the same connection will corrupt the data.
>
> However, if you run only one application at a time, you *could* use an
> A/B/C/D switch with 4 serial ports on your computer after telling each
> application to use a different com port.
> BUT --
> The easier solution is to simply close any conflicting application and
> open a new one, each using the same com port.  The only problem with that
> is that there are some ham applications that do not clean up their 'dirty
> footprints' and will leave the com port open when the application has
> closed, and that condition can only be solved by re-booting the computer.
>
> A software virtual com port sharing solution like LP-Bridge is the best
> solution if you want to run multiple applications at once.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/5/2015 5:26 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was
>> usinga pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across
>> applications.
>> If so how are you doing it?
>>
>>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan  5 21:40:13 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 02:40:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of LP
 Bridge?
In-Reply-To: <54AB45BD.40604@embarqmail.com>
References: <54AB45BD.40604@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1353931060.2994408.1420512013275.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10078.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Actually I was looking at this Pricey but it is a possibility


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      From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of LP Bridge?
   
Harry,

RS-232 is a point to point protocol, so no hardware sharing - some 
hardware devices get away with connecting into the data stream by *only* 
listening to the traffic - SteppIR controllers are one example.? 
Multiple transmitters on the same connection will corrupt the data.

However, if you run only one application at a time, you *could* use an 
A/B/C/D switch with 4 serial ports on your computer after telling each 
application to use a different com port.
BUT --
The easier solution is to simply close any conflicting application and 
open a new one, each using the same com port.? The only problem with 
that is that there are some ham applications that do not clean up their 
'dirty footprints' and will leave the com port open when the application 
has closed, and that condition can only be solved by re-booting the 
computer.

A software virtual com port sharing solution like LP-Bridge is the best 
solution if you want to run multiple applications at once.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 1/5/2015 5:26 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was usinga pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across applications.
> If so how are you doing it?
>



  

From w0sz at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 22:10:31 2015
From: w0sz at comcast.net (zumbruns)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 03:10:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A Failure
In-Reply-To: <1319214644.3792220.1420513589843.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <56906362.3794307.1420513831384.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

I have the DIGOUT turned on for the bands that use the preamplifier (i.e. 6, 10 and 12 meter bands) so the preamplifier is on.? I hear it switch on when I push RX ANT switch.? I am only using the preamplifier on one radio at a time.? It works great in my old K3 but I can't get it to work on the other K3.? The 'other' K3 otherwise works fine with the P3, KAT500 and KPA500.? 

From sbsagan at truvista.net  Mon Jan  5 22:37:49 2015
From: sbsagan at truvista.net (Sam Bridges)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:37:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
Message-ID: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>

Hello Guys:
    I have a Yamaha CM 500 which does very well. Its main virtue is its reproduction of my sidetone. But it also reproduces a lot of hash. So I got the Heil pro set plus. It is great on SSB but often I cannot hear what I am sending in CW . The sidetone is as high as my K3 will go and Elecraft says 60 is the limit. Any one have a suggestion or solution I would appreciate it.
73 de KJ4ZM Sam

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From gdanner at windstream.net  Mon Jan  5 22:43:10 2015
From: gdanner at windstream.net (George Danner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:43:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
	LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>

Harry,
Years ago we used 8 devices controlled from one PC com port on one RS-232 
data link.
All of the devices bridged the receive line and were wire or'd for transmit.
The devices were polled by the PC and only allowed to transmit when polled.
This worked well with no conflicts for many years.
So it is possible to use one RS232 port for multiple devices -but- the 
devices must be made to play nice in all circumstances and have special 
hardware interfaces.
My best memory is we spent about 20 man hours developing the hardware 
solution and another 100 hours writing & debugging software. BTW this was in 
DOS days!

73 George AI4VZ
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message----- 
From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was usinga 
pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across applications.
If so how are you doing it? 


From k6ctw at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 23:01:21 2015
From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:01:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
Message-ID: <29718810.1420516881630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As Always - THANKS All!

As usual, the Elecraft employees an members on the email reflector have been a super resource! Thanks to you all!

73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW




From chip at strattonfamily.us  Mon Jan  5 23:11:22 2015
From: chip at strattonfamily.us (Chip Stratton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:11:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] getting started with QRP
In-Reply-To: <EB9DCA91454B4395B172DE1C16FE8799@DavidPC>
References: <CALyK5YGukH8kkeq7Aj4-dsQUx=1pH8YWpAV-hh7nV_onVPUHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8303734D-42E9-4475-B1C8-6191313AACDB@shoreham.net>
	<EB9DCA91454B4395B172DE1C16FE8799@DavidPC>
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba3Zo86jXDCfg9KqXYMpbVO1CNGdy4MOM99gs9Hma576Zw@mail.gmail.com>

SOTA summit activations can be pretty amazing. A combination of a typically
super quiet RF environment, unobstructed take-off angles, and motivated
chasers means you are bound to be impressed by what QRP can do. Try it,
you'll like it.

http://www.sota.org.uk/

Chip
AE5KA
SOTA Association Manager for W5O (Oklahoma)



On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, David Cutter <d.cutter at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> A friend just did the following with 2W and an end fed half wave from SOTA
> peak G/NP-031 Birks Fell, UK, 2013 feet, 610m asl.
>
> SOTA brings QRPers together from all over the world.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
> in less than 15 minutes...
>
> EA5HJY Manolo in Alicante, Spain
>
> DL1DVE Thomas in Grossroehrdorf, Germany
>
> EA5NR Isidro in Alicante, Spain
>
> CU3EJ Leonel in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores
>
> EA2LU Jorge in Pamplona, Spain
>
> OM9XX Special Event station in Slovakia
>
> OH6JYH Harri in Laukaa, Finland
>
> HB9CEX Peter in Endingen, Switzerland
>
> DF5WA Berthold in Mainz, Germany
>
> LA8BCA Terje in Kvam, Norway
>
> CU3AA Joao in IOTA EU-175 Terceira Island, Azores
>
> DK7ZH Manfred in Dietzhoelztal, Germany
>
> EA2LMI Luis in Navarra, Spain
>
> DJ5AV Michael in Heilingenberg, Germany
>
> DL3JPN Steffen in Oberlungwitz, Germany
>
> HB9MKV Rudi in Buesserach, Switzerland
>
> EA1DFP Quique in Coruna, Spain
>
> IK2ILH Mau in Milan, Italy
>
> OK2PDT Jan in Brno, Czech Republic
>
> OK1KT Vratislav in Hradec Kralove, Czech republic
>
> OK1SDE Borek in Liberec, Czech Republic
>
> OM1AX Vlado in Zohor, Czech Republic
>
> DL8UVG Volkhard in Spremberg, Germany
>
> LA1ENA/P Aage on the SOTA summit LA/TM-227 Seterkollane in Norway (summit
> to summit contact)
>
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jan  5 23:29:35 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:29:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
In-Reply-To: <16286184.1420504695594.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16286184.1420504695594.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts69j2cAm_z4Z-iJ=MVZ6wfOLHmono19dQxXdSFqZ1Eauw@mail.gmail.com>

I've used it on 8.1.  If you check FTDI's web site, you will that drivers
are available.

Commercially, we have stopped using anything under $25 as they can be
problematic at best.  And, it is a PITA when you move it from 1 usb port to
another and the com port number changes.  It doesn't happen with these ones.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net>
wrote:

>  Mike - Great idea, and it would be nice, but that device isn'y certified
> for Win 8.1 which is the underlying OS on the new laptop.  Found one on the
> usbgear.com website that should work OK and is only ~$17!
>
> Have a great week!  73 - ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Walker
> Sent: Jan 5, 2015 8:57 AM
> To: Ken Miller K6CTW , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB to RS-232 Interfaces for my K-2
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Adapter-Retention-ICUSB2321F/dp/B004ZMYTYC/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1420477016&sr=8-7&keywords=rs232+startech
>
> Hi has port retention which is very handy.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW <k6ctw at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> With the purchase of a new computer (a laptop) after my old one (8 yrs
>> old) finally gave up the ghost, I am confronted with a new issue.  Those
>> nice RS-232 ports are no longer available.  Since that means using an
>> adaptor to convert from USB to RS-232 to control the K-2, what brands have
>> been found to work and more specifically, which should be rejected as
>> non-functional?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any/all help/comments/etc.
>>
>> Ken Miller, K6CTW   K-2 # 455
>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan  5 23:59:15 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 23:59:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
 LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>

George,

Since RS-232 is a point-to-point protocol, multiple TX drivers cannot 
exist together.
Yes, tri-state RS-232 drivers can be constructed (and were likely used 
in your particular arrangement), but only one driver can be allowed to 
be active at one time.  The fact that you say the drivers (transmitters) 
were "wire or'd" means that the inactive drivers would have to present a 
high impedance.  That is not the normal case for RS-232 drivers.  The 
fact that you state it took 20 man-hours to develop the hardware 
indicates that these are not normal RS-232 drivers.

I repeat - RS-232 is a point to point protocol, and the hardware 
reflects that situation.  One cannot have two active drivers on the same 
line at a time.  The voltages for RS-232 are up to -25 volts for the 
'mark' level, and up to +25 volts for the 'space' level (the idle 
condition or logic zero).  Now think about connecting two active RS-232 
drivers together, one trying to send a logic '1' (-25 volts), while the 
other is idling (at +25 volts).  The combination of the two drivers 
equals zero volts at the receiving end, and zero volts is in the RS-232 
undefined area, so the voltage level should be undefined and ignored.

Further complicating the situation is that some PC serial ports and many 
"almost RS-232" devices have strayed from the normal spec, and will 
respond to zero volts as a logic '1' and any positive voltage as a logic 
'0'.  Normal RS-232 levels would ignore anything between -3 volts and +3 
volts as 'noise'.  But recent psuedo RS-232 receivers will respond to 
that zero volt level as a logic 1 (mark) and receive it as such.

The above situation works for very short 'RS-232' lines as usually 
encountered in PC and ham equipment situations. but will not work well 
with compliant RS-232 receivers that will ignore levels between -3 and 
+3 volts.

In summary, multiple RS-232 drivers on a single line will conflict with 
one another unless special enabling circuits are built into the driver 
and a means of controlling which driver has control of the line are 
present - not a trivial task.  In other words, do not "wire OR" multiple 
RS-232 drivers together unless those drivers are specifically designed 
to allow only one at a time to be active. That means a total system 
control must exist, and that can only happen in specific controlled 
situations.

That is why George's example took 20 hours of hardware design, but 
required 100 hours of writing and debugging software.  This was a 
specific system design and cannot be expanded to "wire or'd" RS-232 
drivers in general - that will not work.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/5/2015 10:43 PM, George Danner wrote:
> Harry,
> Years ago we used 8 devices controlled from one PC com port on one RS-232
> data link.
> All of the devices bridged the receive line and were wire or'd for transmit.
> The devices were polled by the PC and only allowed to transmit when polled.
> This worked well with no conflicts for many years.
> So it is possible to use one RS232 port for multiple devices -but- the
> devices must be made to play nice in all circumstances and have special
> hardware interfaces.
> My best memory is we spent about 20 man hours developing the hardware
> solution and another 100 hours writing & debugging software. BTW this was in
> DOS days!
>
>


From n1rm at arrl.net  Tue Jan  6 00:24:04 2015
From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:24:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KX3 Station
In-Reply-To: <1420425850049-7596787.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420425850049-7596787.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1420521844109-7596854.post@n2.nabble.com>

All is now sold.

Rick
N1RM



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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Jan  6 00:27:30 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:27:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10/KXV3A Failure
In-Reply-To: <56906362.3794307.1420513831384.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <56906362.3794307.1420513831384.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1943DD2F-50DF-4288-A755-9F8F9135D9C7@me.com>

Do you have the Auxbus adapter in place on the KPA500 end of the cable on the second system? Pin 11 on the KPA side should not be connected to the preamp. This might be causing problems if it is connected.


- Jack B, W6FB

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 7:10 PM, zumbruns <w0sz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the DIGOUT turned on for the bands that use the preamplifier (i.e. 6, 10 and 12 meter bands) so the preamplifier is on.  I hear it switch on when I push RX ANT switch.  I am only using the preamplifier on one radio at a time.  It works great in my old K3 but I can't get it to work on the other K3.  The 'other' K3 otherwise works fine with the P3, KAT500 and KPA500.  
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jan  6 00:34:55 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:34:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
 LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>
	<54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AB73FF.2070507@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Don,

In the relatively early days of Packet Radio there were more than a few 
multi-port NET-ROM nodes that were assembled by tying three (or more) 
TNC-2s together with a relatively simple diode combiner.

I may even still have the diagram for combiner.  It wasn't powered, 
didn't have anything more complex than diodes.

The TNC-2 used normal 1488/1489 chips for receivers and drivers, and 
took slight advantage of the fact that the receiver didn't strictly 
"need" RS-232 levels (that 0v was as good as -3v).

Serial errors did occur when two or more ports tried to talk at once, 
but NET-ROM ran AX-25 on the serial port and the errors got handled that 
way.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/5/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Since RS-232 is a point-to-point protocol, multiple TX drivers cannot 
> exist together.


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jan  6 00:42:32 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:42:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
 LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <54AB73FF.2070507@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>	<54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>
	<54AB73FF.2070507@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <54AB75C8.9020008@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

P.S. the big secret is that you can't run pure ASCII with no other 
protocol and pull this off.  All of the devices have to know when to 
talk, and when to shut up.

On 1/5/2015 9:34 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Don,
>
> In the relatively early days of Packet Radio there were more than a 
> few multi-port NET-ROM nodes that were assembled by tying three (or 
> more) TNC-2s together with a relatively simple diode combiner.
>
> I may even still have the diagram for combiner.  It wasn't powered, 
> didn't have anything more complex than diodes.
>
> The TNC-2 used normal 1488/1489 chips for receivers and drivers, and 
> took slight advantage of the fact that the receiver didn't strictly 
> "need" RS-232 levels (that 0v was as good as -3v).
>
> Serial errors did occur when two or more ports tried to talk at once, 
> but NET-ROM ran AX-25 on the serial port and the errors got handled 
> that way.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 1/5/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Since RS-232 is a point-to-point protocol, multiple TX drivers cannot 
>> exist together.
>
\

From m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk  Tue Jan  6 01:38:01 2015
From: m0lep at chocky.demon.co.uk (Rick Hewett)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:38:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
In-Reply-To: <54AAD107.9040907@foothill.net>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-FAA952A61F6248CD86CB7E14716CA31B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<54AAD107.9040907@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1501060628060.18508.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, Fred Jensen wrote:
> One side of essentially every Q [guy on summit] is at QRP levels.  For 
> summit-to-summit Q's, both sides are at QRP levels.

A significant proportion of SSB SOTA activators (at least in Europe and 
Australia) run at slightly higher powers using rigs like the FT-857, or 
small linear amps. 30 to 50 watts is not that unusual. Depending where you 
draw the line, even the KX3 (at maximum) might be not quite QRP...

-- 
73, Rick 5Z4/M0LEP


From tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk  Tue Jan  6 03:22:07 2015
From: tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk (Ted G7BQM)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 08:22:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility help in England, please
Message-ID: <819DD1FF-98E8-4567-846B-69AC1D103F7D@fastnet.co.uk>

Dear UK K3 owners,

This email is a request for some help in troubleshooting my recently acquired K3.  It is an early model Ser No 104 and has been hardly used.  I suspect I am suffering from front panel to RF board pin corrosion problems since K3 utility fails to connect and comes up with the error 'connected device does not appear to be an Elecraft K3' - this with both Mac OSX and Win 7.  Despite this I get perfect comms with MacLogger DX running on Mac OSX.

I would be most grateful if there is anyone in the area near Daventry or Rugby who could spare a little time to plug their computer in to my K3 and demonstrate wether it is me or the K3 who is crazy!!

If your shack is as disgusting as mine, (and are equally embarrassed by it) we could always meet at the Rugby Amateur Transmitting Society, my local club.

73, Ted G7BQM





From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  6 04:34:20 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 01:34:20 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility help in England, please
In-Reply-To: <819DD1FF-98E8-4567-846B-69AC1D103F7D@fastnet.co.uk>
References: <819DD1FF-98E8-4567-846B-69AC1D103F7D@fastnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00a101d02993$f32a9590$d97fc0b0$@earthlink.net>

A little advice from a Yank. Check with Elecraft. There may be free gold
replacement pins for your K3.
73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ted
G7BQM
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 12:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility help in England, please

Dear UK K3 owners,

This email is a request for some help in troubleshooting my recently
acquired K3.  It is an early model Ser No 104 and has been hardly used.  I
suspect I am suffering from front panel to RF board pin corrosion problems
since K3 utility fails to connect and comes up with the error 'connected
device does not appear to be an Elecraft K3' - this with both Mac OSX and
Win 7.  Despite this I get perfect comms with MacLogger DX running on Mac
OSX.

I would be most grateful if there is anyone in the area near Daventry or
Rugby who could spare a little time to plug their computer in to my K3 and
demonstrate wether it is me or the K3 who is crazy!!

If your shack is as disgusting as mine, (and are equally embarrassed by it)
we could always meet at the Rugby Amateur Transmitting Society, my local
club.

73, Ted G7BQM




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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 05:49:03 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 04:49:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
	LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <BFA9D259-0612-46D2-B973-03EA8F7EB22C@gmail.com>

I?m not sure why I didn?t think of this before. How about the MS-3 from BlackBox? It has one DTE port and three DCE ports on it (or is it the other way around?). BlackBox also makes a larger box with eight ports but I?m not sure if it?s an ?MS-8? or they call it something different.

We use these at work for SCADA.

They also make a smaller version of the MS-3 where they use RJ-48s instead of DB-25s.

Before you ask, they do work for two-way communications, but on the MS-3, you?ve got to make sure what kind of device you?re hooking up. It only works one way but it does allow bi-directional communications.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:43 PM, George Danner <gdanner at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> Years ago we used 8 devices controlled from one PC com port on one RS-232 
> data link.
> All of the devices bridged the receive line and were wire or'd for transmit.
> The devices were polled by the PC and only allowed to transmit when polled.
> This worked well with no conflicts for many years.
> So it is possible to use one RS232 port for multiple devices -but- the 
> devices must be made to play nice in all circumstances and have special 
> hardware interfaces.
> My best memory is we spent about 20 man hours developing the hardware 
> solution and another 100 hours writing & debugging software. BTW this was in 
> DOS days!
> 
> 73 George AI4VZ
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
> While LP Bridge does serve the purpose I was wondering if anyone was usinga 
> pure hardware solution to share the K3's serial port across applications.
> If so how are you doing it? 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan  6 07:57:42 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 07:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead of
 LPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <54AB75C8.9020008@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>	<54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>	<54AB73FF.2070507@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54AB75C8.9020008@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <54ABDBC6.7000705@embarqmail.com>

And that is why it will not work with multiple computer applications - 
they run independently and 'talk' whenever they want to.
LP-Bridge solves that problem by buffering the individual requests. Plus 
it also buffers some K3 information so it can respond to some of the 
application requests without directly communicating with the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2015 12:42 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> P.S. the big secret is that you can't run pure ASCII with no other 
> protocol and pull this off.  All of the devices have to know when to 
> talk, and when to shut up.
>


From w2up at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 08:34:00 2015
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:34:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
In-Reply-To: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>
References: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>

If your hearing loss is age-related, try a lower frequency, like 400-500 Hz. 
Age-related hearing loss usually is in the 1000-3000 KHz range.  If it's
occupational-related, it could be any frequency.

I recall an article in QST a number of years ago by N4GG about building a
small equalizer.  As I recall it was a realtively simple project and you can
individually boost various freq bands as needed.

Barry W2UP (MD, but not an ear doc - this post is not medical advice)



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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  6 09:58:54 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. KFL1-2 20/40M board for K1
Message-ID: <7CDC0C91-4F93-4DB4-AFFD-13915349C728@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang:

I have a like-new KFL1-2 20/40M fully built board for the K1.

Will ship for $40.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am


From jameskvochick at me.com  Tue Jan  6 10:20:26 2015
From: jameskvochick at me.com (James kvochick)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: TWO Raspberry Pi Spectrum Displays (minus
 SD MEMORY CARD
In-Reply-To: <2EFDBB746FFB4934ACBA2667A718E31C@JIMDESK>
References: <2EFDBB746FFB4934ACBA2667A718E31C@JIMDESK>
Message-ID: <F770739F-6FE3-45A9-B39D-6ECF6CDD8262@me.com>

Both Raspberry Pi spectrum displays have found new homes.

73

Jim K8JK

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Jim Kvochick <kvo at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Now that I have my PX3 on my KX3, I have some hardware that I'd like to get
> rid of.
> 
> I have TWO Raspberry Pi model B units, each configured identically with:
> 
> Raspberry Pi Model B
> Adafruit TFT display shield (all switches added to board)
> PiBow PiTFT case
> Syba Sound Card
> 
> Both of the SD Memory cards were repurposed, so I do NOT have the software
> used to make them spectrum displays.
> 
> However, as mentioned earlier:
> 
> 
> <http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_
> Setup_Guide-v1_2.pdf>
> http://www.tigerstyle.co.uk/blog/M0JMO-Tiny_Python_Panadapter-Raspberry_Pi_S
> etup_Guide-v1_2.pdf
> 
> 
> and
> 
> 
> <http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users
> _--_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem>
> http://www.aa6e.net/wiki/Tiny_Python_Panadapter#Important:_For_all_Pi_Users_
> --_Fixing_the_.22Freeze.22_problem
> 
> can assist you with this.
> 
> I'm asking $75 EACH shipped CONUS, or $140 for the pair shipped CONUS.
> 
> Drop me a note off the reflector if interested.  k8jk at arrl.net
> 
> 73
> 
> Jim K8JK
> 
> 
>  _____  
> 
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From a_tsekos at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  6 11:08:58 2015
From: a_tsekos at hotmail.com (Andreas Tsekos)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 18:08:58 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] FT-100 knob
Message-ID: <DUB124-W480D95A4056E517EF5B576E4590@phx.gbl>

F.S. Original FT-100 knob, unused, mint condition (knob received after my K2/100 changed ownership).$75, PayPal, shipped anywhere by registered air mail. If interested, pls QSO off list: a_tsekos (at) hotmail.com.Andreas Tsekos  (SV1DEH) 		 	   		  

From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan  6 11:27:40 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:27:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Is anyone using a Hardware Data Switch instead
	ofLPBridge?
In-Reply-To: <54ABDBC6.7000705@embarqmail.com>
References: <644258783.2942472.1420496782294.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<7C0FC8E5B5894B9A92EC8CE5E70AFEFA@OfficeDeskTop>	<54AB6BA3.5010307@embarqmail.com>
	<54AB73FF.2070507@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com><54AB75C8.9020008@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54ABDBC6.7000705@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AC0CFC.10207@triconet.org>

LP-Bridge is great.  I connect the K3 to my general logging program (DXBase), 
RTTY program (AXETTY, a DXBase specific version of MMTTY), N1MM and SpectraVue 
(SDR-IQ panadapter).  They all talk to each other without conflict.  I have it 
set up to create the virtual ports and start the connected programs automatically.

Wes  N7WS


On 1/6/2015 5:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> And that is why it will not work with multiple computer applications - they 
> run independently and 'talk' whenever they want to.
> LP-Bridge solves that problem by buffering the individual requests. Plus it 
> also buffers some K3 information so it can respond to some of the application 
> requests without directly communicating with the K3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>


From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan  6 12:00:17 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:00:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
In-Reply-To: <1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>
	<1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org>

I think I'm the first to use and mention in this forum the CM500. I have some 
age and noise related hearing loss (mostly right side) and tinnitus.  I use a CW 
sidetone around 400-450 HZ.

The K3 has a built-in receive equalizer so I don't see a need for an external one.

Wes  N7WS



  On 1/6/2015 6:34 AM, Barry wrote:
> If your hearing loss is age-related, try a lower frequency, like 400-500 Hz.
> Age-related hearing loss usually is in the 1000-3000 KHz range.  If it's
> occupational-related, it could be any frequency.
>
> I recall an article in QST a number of years ago by N4GG about building a
> small equalizer.  As I recall it was a realtively simple project and you can
> individually boost various freq bands as needed.
>
> Barry W2UP (MD, but not an ear doc - this post is not medical advice)
>


From kk5ib01 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 13:25:47 2015
From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:25:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
Message-ID: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a Tascam US-322 USB Audio Interface to connect to my K3 for digital
use. I picked it because it has support for Windows 7/8 and 24 bit/96 KHz
resolution. It has standard L/R in and out connections plus controls. To
connect it to the K3, is it as simple as K3 Stereo line out to the 322
stereo line in, and K3 Stereo line in to 322 line out, with USB cable to
computer? I suppose it's best or correct to maintain the L/R stereo
separation in the cables, that is using both channels. Any help or
instructions would be appreciated.
Darryl, KK5IB 



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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan  6 13:35:22 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:35:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
In-Reply-To: <54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org>
References: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>	<1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <54AC2AEA.1060308@socal.rr.com>

I'm deaf in one ear (nerve zapped 50 years ago by 
Meniere's episode) and at 78 have moderate loss in 
the other, so it has a hearing aid which makes a 
huge difference for music and conversation. I can 
still use an ear bug for hamming with the HA in 
place, fortunately.

Phil W7OX

On 1/6/15 9:00 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I think I'm the first to use and mention in this 
> forum the CM500. I have some age and noise 
> related hearing loss (mostly right side) and 
> tinnitus.  I use a CW sidetone around 400-450 HZ.
>
> The K3 has a built-in receive equalizer so I 
> don't see a need for an external one.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
>
>  On 1/6/2015 6:34 AM, Barry wrote:
>> If your hearing loss is age-related, try a 
>> lower frequency, like 400-500 Hz.
>> Age-related hearing loss usually is in the 
>> 1000-3000 KHz range. If it's
>> occupational-related, it could be any frequency.
>>
>> I recall an article in QST a number of years 
>> ago by N4GG about building a
>> small equalizer.  As I recall it was a 
>> realtively simple project and you can
>> individually boost various freq bands as needed.
>>
>> Barry W2UP (MD, but not an ear doc - this post 
>> is not medical advice)


From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jan  6 13:58:46 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:58:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
In-Reply-To: <54AC2AEA.1060308@socal.rr.com>
References: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>
	<1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org> <54AC2AEA.1060308@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1420570726.17809.144.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Phil,
I had a hearing test done, and asked for the resultant data showing
frequency vs sensitivity...  

I selected a spot where my ear was most sensitive in the 400 to 700 Hz
range, and then set the K3 zero beat to that frequency...  

CW is a LOT better now!  I had placed the zero beat at my worst point
inadvertently...  What a difference a few db makes.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 10:35 -0800, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> I'm deaf in one ear (nerve zapped 50 years ago by 
> Meniere's episode) and at 78 have moderate loss in 
> the other, so it has a hearing aid which makes a 
> huge difference for music and conversation. I can 
> still use an ear bug for hamming with the HA in 
> place, fortunately.
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> On 1/6/15 9:00 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> > I think I'm the first to use and mention in this 
> > forum the CM500. I have some age and noise 
> > related hearing loss (mostly right side) and 
> > tinnitus.  I use a CW sidetone around 400-450 HZ.
> >
> > The K3 has a built-in receive equalizer so I 
> > don't see a need for an external one.
> >
> > Wes  N7WS
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 1/6/2015 6:34 AM, Barry wrote:
> >> If your hearing loss is age-related, try a 
> >> lower frequency, like 400-500 Hz.
> >> Age-related hearing loss usually is in the 
> >> 1000-3000 KHz range. If it's
> >> occupational-related, it could be any frequency.
> >>
> >> I recall an article in QST a number of years 
> >> ago by N4GG about building a
> >> small equalizer.  As I recall it was a 
> >> realtively simple project and you can
> >> individually boost various freq bands as needed.
> >>
> >> Barry W2UP (MD, but not an ear doc - this post 
> >> is not medical advice)
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan  6 14:10:52 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54AC333C.8040302@embarqmail.com>

Darryl,

Digital modes normally use only the left channel, although there are 
some applications that allow you to switch it to the right.
The K3 Line In and Line Out jacks are stereo type, but there is no 
connection to the ring contact, and the audio will only appear on the 
normal left channel.
So for the purpose of data modes on the K3, there is no need to be 
concerned about channel separation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/6/2015 1:25 PM, KK5IB wrote:
> I have a Tascam US-322 USB Audio Interface to connect to my K3 for digital
> use. I picked it because it has support for Windows 7/8 and 24 bit/96 KHz
> resolution. It has standard L/R in and out connections plus controls. To
> connect it to the K3, is it as simple as K3 Stereo line out to the 322
> stereo line in, and K3 Stereo line in to 322 line out, with USB cable to
> computer? I suppose it's best or correct to maintain the L/R stereo
> separation in the cables, that is using both channels. Any help or
> instructions would be appreciated.
> Darryl, KK5IB
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan  6 14:11:40 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:11:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54AC336C.6000300@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/6/2015 10:25 AM, KK5IB wrote:
> To
> connect it to the K3, is it as simple as K3 Stereo line out to the 322
> stereo line in, and K3 Stereo line in to 322 line out, with USB cable to
> computer? I suppose it's best or correct to maintain the L/R stereo
> separation in the cables, that is using both channels.

Yes, it is that simple. Also, RTFM for the Tascam unit so that it's set 
to do what you need, and for the K3 to make sure you're connecting to 
the right connector pins. Most of these units have a pot that "pans" the 
Output from the Input (max CCW) to the Computer (max CW). For simple USB 
I/O for ham radio, we want max CW.

73, Jim K9YC





From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan  6 14:16:09 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:16:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Headset for hearing loss
In-Reply-To: <54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org>
References: <70.F3.23124.C885BA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>	<1420551240159-7596863.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54AC14A1.3020808@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <54AC3479.9060001@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/6/2015 9:00 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> The K3 has a built-in receive equalizer so I don't see a need for an 
> external one. 

Right. K6DGW has severe hearing loss. I advised him to set RXEQ for max 
cut of the low bands and max boost of the high bands. He says it's not 
perfect, but good enough.

And yes, if your hearing loss is the typical age-related loss of highs, 
choose a lower frequency sidetone. 500 Hz is a good starting point, 
shift up or down until it works best for you.

73, Jim K9YC

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 14:41:56 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 13:41:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Serial 906 returns...
Message-ID: <451C0DED-61B5-4F23-B1FB-2BE3B764C51B@gmail.com>

OK, got to share with you folks a new one for me.

Many of you know that I love to trade radios.
Someday.. I may even trade off s/n 5702, which is a K2/100 but.. not just yet for that much wanted KX3...

Today, I got an opportunity to purchase another K2.  I was told that the guy worked for Motorola and was the original owner (by the guy I got it from).
Lo and behold? I got my first and original K2 back.  
I recall every minute of building it!
I did not even open up the radio, I know that radio as if I built it today.
Oh, according to Madeline ?. I built it February 2000.
S/N 906 is back on the desk?..

Fingers crossed? I keyed it into a dummy, still? 12 watts on 10.116 (I keep records)
It gets better? I tried to see what was programmed in it for MSG 1-9, guess what?. It still .. .had my CQ in it with my call!! in MSG 1

So.. on the air it goes.. I am listening to on 10.116 if anyone wants to ?drop by? today...

Frank KG9H
K2          #906
K2/100 #5702

From sbsagan at truvista.net  Tue Jan  6 14:46:01 2015
From: sbsagan at truvista.net (Sam Bridges)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:46:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] hearing loss and headsets
Message-ID: <2C.FE.23124.87B3CA45@smtp01.emerald.cmh.synacor.com>

Hello Guys;
    Thanks to those that offered suggestions but due to operator error I was only able to read AC5P (Mike). If the others would try again I would appreciate it. Also if any one else has some thoughts about being able to hear your CW sidetone better with different headset(I have Yamaha 500 and Heil pro set plus) I would welcome your thoughts.
73 de KJ4ZM Sam

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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan  6 14:47:09 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:47:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Serial 906 returns...
In-Reply-To: <451C0DED-61B5-4F23-B1FB-2BE3B764C51B@gmail.com>
References: <451C0DED-61B5-4F23-B1FB-2BE3B764C51B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AC3BBD.3080302@socal.rr.com>

Incredible, Fred.  I keep thinking I should sell 
my K2 (#380) -- with all options including KDSP2, 
KPA100 & KAT100, and all updates - even the MAB 
and Mic adapter board -- but each time I consider 
it the nostalgia sets in: Loved building it.  OTOH 
-- with an all up K3 system and a KX3/PX3 for 
portable, the K2 tends to just sit there.

Guess I'm "Over Elecrafted" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

p.s. -- And I forgot the KX1 and K1, both 4-band 
units!

On 1/6/15 11:41 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> Today, I got an opportunity to purchase another K2.  I was told that the guy worked for Motorola and was the original owner (by the guy I got it from).
> Lo and behold? I got my first and original K2 back.
>
> Frank KG9H
> K2          #906
> K2/100 #5702


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jan  6 14:52:07 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:52:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting Started with QRP and the Elecraft KX3
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1501060628060.18508.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-FAA952A61F6248CD86CB7E14716CA31B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>	<54AAD107.9040907@foothill.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1501060628060.18508.m0lep@chocky.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54AC3CE7.809@foothill.net>

True ... probably not so much in North America, but it does happen. 
Aside from the fact that we hams seem to nounify and verbify 
International Q Signals, in hamdom, "QRP" seems to have two distinct 
meanings:

If you're in a contest or event as a QRP entry, it is very specific ... 
5 W or less.  If you're not in a contest, the meaning is less specific 
and sort of seems to mean, "Closer to 5 W than 100 W", or something 
resembling that.  My K2 will make about 10 W of RF, which is 3 dB above 
5 W, at least theoretically.  It's also 7 dB closer to 5 W than it is to 
100 W.

Since I don't call CQ DE K6DGW/QRP, it doesn't really matter.  And as 
someone noted here, being on a summit can mean many more dB that raw RF, 
and many more dB in rx SNR as well.  Besides, it's exhilarating.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/5/2015 10:38 PM, Rick Hewett wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> One side of essentially every Q [guy on summit] is at QRP levels.  For
>> summit-to-summit Q's, both sides are at QRP levels.
>
> A significant proportion of SSB SOTA activators (at least in Europe and
> Australia) run at slightly higher powers using rigs like the FT-857, or
> small linear amps. 30 to 50 watts is not that unusual. Depending where
> you draw the line, even the KX3 (at maximum) might be not quite QRP...
>


From a_tsekos at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  6 18:15:05 2015
From: a_tsekos at hotmail.com (Andreas Tsekos)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 01:15:05 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] FT-100 Knob
Message-ID: <DUB124-W30FFC5F6C27C89324AEF4BE4590@phx.gbl>

FT-100 Knob sold. Tks for the shown interest.Andreas Tsekos  (SV1DEH) 		 	   		  

From hamky1rk at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 19:16:32 2015
From: hamky1rk at gmail.com (robertok)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 17:16:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection to Mac with Keyspan K3
Message-ID: <1420589792315-7596882.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm having issues with connecting my Mac with my K3.  I used to be able to do
it without much fuss.  I decided my Keyspan went caput, so I bought another
one.  

The green light on the Keyspan (19HS) is solid when plugged into the RS232
port on the K3 when the K3 is on, but the K3 Utility shows no connection
when I test connection ("K3 is not responding").  The Keyspan shows up in
Port>Choose Serial Port Connection.  So, I know it is connecting and
sending/receiving data from the Mac.

On the K3, in Config>RS232 I have it set to 38400b (but I tried slower ones,
too).  

I tried re-booting the Mac and powering the K3 on and off, etc., in all
possible permutations.

I think my MU version is 4.67 (I've been idle for a while).  The K3 Utility
is version 1.14.10.24.  I also tried connecting using MacLoggerDX with no
luck.

Mac OS 10.10.1

Any help will be most appreciated!

RobertoK
KY1RK



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From davidahrendts at me.com  Tue Jan  6 20:48:04 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:48:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] No serial connection to Mac with Keyspan K3
In-Reply-To: <1420589792315-7596882.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420589792315-7596882.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1591D921-8B0D-4C6D-8C40-9E2486D9A66B@me.com>

Roberto, I have just worked a similar problem through with my KX3 Line and my Mac. We have different connectors between the K3 and the KX3, but here are some things I learned with the KX3 that might help you:
1) Make sure the chipset driver is updated. In the KXUSB (KX3 A/D USB cable) world, I found I needed to update the Mac OS driver for the cable chipset on my Mac Mini.
2) If you have the Pan Adapter, in the KX3 world, there is a power up sequence. For me, I power up in this order: KX3, making sure the PA Mode is turned on enabling the KXPA100 (100 watts amp)(they talk to each other as if one unit), then and only then powering up the PX3. Took the darnedest long time to get that, but an elder on this list thought he remembered that and it worked. Do not think that is listed in any manual (probably is and I overlooked it).
3) Don Argo at MacLoggerDX is very responsive for connection issues. He informed that MacLoggerDX will not work properly with the KX3 Utility operating. You might try one or the other.
Just my two cents. 

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:16 PM, robertok <hamky1rk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm having issues with connecting my Mac with my K3.  I used to be able to do
> it without much fuss.  I decided my Keyspan went caput, so I bought another
> one.  
> 
> The green light on the Keyspan (19HS) is solid when plugged into the RS232
> port on the K3 when the K3 is on, but the K3 Utility shows no connection
> when I test connection ("K3 is not responding").  The Keyspan shows up in
> Port>Choose Serial Port Connection.  So, I know it is connecting and
> sending/receiving data from the Mac.
> 
> On the K3, in Config>RS232 I have it set to 38400b (but I tried slower ones,
> too).  
> 
> I tried re-booting the Mac and powering the K3 on and off, etc., in all
> possible permutations.
> 
> I think my MU version is 4.67 (I've been idle for a while).  The K3 Utility
> is version 1.14.10.24.  I also tried connecting using MacLoggerDX with no
> luck.
> 
> Mac OS 10.10.1
> 
> Any help will be most appreciated!
> 
> RobertoK
> KY1RK
> 
> 
> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jan  6 21:10:54 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue,  6 Jan 2015 18:10:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <54AC333C.8040302@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-FE9FE12265FA4A4EAF2945660F109CCE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 1/6/15 at 11:10 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>Digital modes normally use only the left channel, although 
>there are some applications that allow you to switch it to the right.
>The K3 Line In and Line Out jacks are stereo type, but there is 
>no connection to the ring contact, and the audio will only 
>appear on the normal left channel.
>So for the purpose of data modes on the K3, there is no need to 
>be concerned about channel separation.

Reading the cocoaModem documentation, it looks like the DualRTTY 
mode will decode from both the right and left channels of the 
input. Since I don't have a sub-receiver in my K3, I can't test 
that it actually works, but being able to decode the pileup 
while monitoring the DX should be as nice in RTTY as it is in CW 
and SSB. (Yes, I really appreciate the dual watch feature of the KX3.)

I don't know if there are any programs for Linux or Windows that 
will do dual decode.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 21:14:15 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 20:14:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-FE9FE12265FA4A4EAF2945660F109CCE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-FE9FE12265FA4A4EAF2945660F109CCE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <2F3321E3-778F-48D8-A30F-22A76DC2D158@gmail.com>

The dual decode works fine in cocoaModem. I used it quite a bit this past year with the W1AW/x stations working RTTY split. I have the second receiver and use my K3 with a CreativeLabs E-MU 0204.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/6/15 at 11:10 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
> 
>> Digital modes normally use only the left channel, although there are some applications that allow you to switch it to the right.
>> The K3 Line In and Line Out jacks are stereo type, but there is no connection to the ring contact, and the audio will only appear on the normal left channel.
>> So for the purpose of data modes on the K3, there is no need to be concerned about channel separation.
> 
> Reading the cocoaModem documentation, it looks like the DualRTTY mode will decode from both the right and left channels of the input. Since I don't have a sub-receiver in my K3, I can't test that it actually works, but being able to decode the pileup while monitoring the DX should be as nice in RTTY as it is in CW and SSB. (Yes, I really appreciate the dual watch feature of the KX3.)
> 
> I don't know if there are any programs for Linux or Windows that will do dual decode.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan  6 21:47:08 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 18:47:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <54AC333C.8040302@embarqmail.com>
References: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54AC333C.8040302@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AC9E2C.1020806@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/6/2015 11:10 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Digital modes normally use only the left channel, although there are 
> some applications that allow you to switch it to the right.

WSJT-X, MMTTY, and 2-Tone all can be set to decode either channel. 
WSJT10 only connect to the left channel. I've been lobbying with them to 
add channel switching.

> The K3 Line In and Line Out jacks are stereo type, but there is no 
> connection to the ring contact 

That's true only for a single-RX K3.

> , and the audio will only appear on the normal left channel. 

If you have the Sub-RX installed, it's audio will appear between ring 
and shell.

If you run MMTTY with WinWarbler, you can open a second 2Tone decode 
window. It can look at the same signal or the other RX.

73, Jim K9YC




From davidahrendts at me.com  Tue Jan  6 21:53:36 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 18:53:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + iMic Sound Card = Wild Scan
Message-ID: <78BC7A3D-7D75-48C4-8837-18B3DF5A6082@me.com>

Strange one. Trying to make audio in and out connections with my Mac Mini and my KX3 Line for use with cocoaModem and FLDigi. Mac Mini ?sees" the Mic, and responds to the RX I/Q stream from the PX3. BUT, when I connect the iMic to the KX3 MIC port, it sends the KX3 into a scan frequency mode. What am I doing wrong?

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From la9nea at online.no  Tue Jan  6 23:20:01 2015
From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 05:20:01 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
Message-ID: <302977352.2194319.1420604401048.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice30.nsc.no>

Hello K3 owners !

Want to know the lowest power setting Elecraft internal 2 meter transv.( K144XV-K)??, know the max out is 8 to 10 watt approx.......

My DB6NT transverters ( IF 144 MHz) need 0,5 to 5 watt ,(IF power settings are adjustable in the DB6NT Transverter)





73' Viggo  LA9NEA

From alan at elecraft.com  Tue Jan  6 23:28:37 2015
From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 20:28:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
 for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com>

Hi guys,

It wouldn't be hard to add an option to change the color of the VFO A 
cursor.  But I want to make sure I understand the problem.

By the way, I also have typical male red-green color blindness but I 
have no trouble distinguishing the VFO A and VFO B cursors.  There are 
several types of red-green color blindness, so perhaps that's the 
difference.

The VFO A cursor is green, the spectrum trace is yellow and the 
background color is dark blue.  If the yellow trace and green cursor are 
too similar I would think the problem is not being able to see the trace 
in the cursor area, rather than not being able to see the cursor 
(against the dark-blue background).  So I'm confused about that one.

Anyway, is the solution to make the VFO A cursor bright white?  I think 
it would look nicer to make it gray, but then it might look too similar 
to the yellow trace for those who are totally color-blind.

Alan N1AL


On 01/04/2015 01:39 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I have a similar, but different, problem. I see more colors than Fred, 
> but I am red/green colorblind and my problem is telling the difference 
> between the VFO A and VFO B cursors. So Fred's solution would work for 
> me too.
>
> On 4 Jan 2015 03:12, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> ALAN:  Thank you for the monochrome WF option.
>>
>> I don't want to get too greedy, and I may be the only Elecraft customer
>> with this problem, but during a contest [like RTTY RU on now], my wife
>> tells me the VFO A cursor is green.  The spectrum in which it is
>> embedded is yellow.  They look similar to me, not exactly, but the
>> cursor doesn't stand out.  I generally go for signals in the WF using
>> the cursor, which works just fine unless the band is totally full of
>> signals.  Then, I can't find the cursor in the spectrum display.
>>
>> If there's any chance for an option for a bright white VFO A cursor on
>> the To-Do list, I'd appreciate it.  If not, I'll adapt.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>
>


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 03:55:27 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 08:55:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + iMic Sound Card = Wild Scan
In-Reply-To: <78BC7A3D-7D75-48C4-8837-18B3DF5A6082@me.com>
References: <78BC7A3D-7D75-48C4-8837-18B3DF5A6082@me.com>
Message-ID: <BD8FCE48-39DF-4E8C-9681-05A10A33A2FC@yahoo.co.uk>

David,

Set MIC BTN to OFF

That should fix it I think.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 7 Jan 2015, at 02:53, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Strange one. Trying to make audio in and out connections with my Mac Mini and my KX3 Line for use with cocoaModem and FLDigi. Mac Mini ?sees" the Mic, and responds to the RX I/Q stream from the PX3. BUT, when I connect the iMic to the KX3 MIC port, it sends the KX3 into a scan frequency mode. What am I doing wrong?
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 04:10:13 2015
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:10:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
Message-ID: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>

I have just measured my K144XV power output with an accurate power output meter and find that with the K3 set for 1mW the output is 10.5W.  But setting the K3 to 0.1mW (fully counter-clockwise) the output goes down to only about 7W.  No matter what I do, I am unable to reduce the power further.

It will be interesting to see if other K144XV users find the same.

73 de David G4DMP

On 7 Jan 2015 04:20, Viggo Magnus Nilsen <la9nea at online.no> wrote:
>
> Hello K3 owners ! 
>
> Want to know the lowest power setting Elecraft internal 2 meter transv.( K144XV-K)??, know the max out is 8 to 10 watt approx....... 
>
> My DB6NT transverters ( IF 144 MHz) need 0,5 to 5 watt ,(IF power settings are adjustable in the DB6NT Transverter) 

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jan  7 04:51:05 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:51:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
In-Reply-To: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>
References: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>
Message-ID: <D7C5EF7F-74BE-4119-BD54-70DAD854C93F@yahoo.co.uk>

It might be safest to consider using a 3dB power attenuator on the input of the DB6NT transverter, then you don't have to worry about over driving it. There are some inexpensive 20 watt 3dB or 6 dB attenuators on eBay from China that would do, or you could use the smaller more expensive types that bolt onto a heat sink.

If the DB6NT has a common RX/TX IF port then that loss on RX should not matter very much as the gain of the transverter should be high enough to overcome it.

It also is better from a transmitted wideband noise point of view to do this, as just turning down the drive level to the 144MHz transverter by 3dB reduces the S/N of the transmitter output by that figure. 



73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 7 Jan 2015, at 09:10, David Pratt <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have just measured my K144XV power output with an accurate power output meter and find that with the K3 set for 1mW the output is 10.5W.  But setting the K3 to 0.1mW (fully counter-clockwise) the output goes down to only about 7W.  No matter what I do, I am unable to reduce the power further.
> 
> It will be interesting to see if other K144XV users find the same.
> 
> 73 de David G4DMP
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2015 04:20, Viggo Magnus Nilsen <la9nea at online.no> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello K3 owners ! 
>> 
>> Want to know the lowest power setting Elecraft internal 2 meter transv.( K144XV-K)??, know the max out is 8 to 10 watt approx....... 
>> 
>> My DB6NT transverters ( IF 144 MHz) need 0,5 to 5 watt ,(IF power settings are adjustable in the DB6NT Transverter)
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From lmarion at mt.net  Wed Jan  7 05:40:45 2015
From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 03:40:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] test
Message-ID: <006501d02a66$65f2dbf0$31d893d0$@mt.net>

test


From zabarnick at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 09:58:23 2015
From: zabarnick at gmail.com (zabarnick .)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 09:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Trade DSW-II QRP transceivers for K1
Message-ID: <CALWVv_Pn_WXVnpstP18qCkQjwJECxLiXrUjR7uZWV9CEF=RAEA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone interested in trading their Elecraft K1 for two Small Wonder
Labs DSW-II CW QRP transceivers? These are single band DDS VFO
transceivers with CW frequency annunciation. I have the 20 and 40
meter band versions -- both are in very good condition and have the
DSWK keyer IC upgrade. They are rated at 4 watts and both show 4.2
watts output (using an Elecraft W1 power meter) into a 50 ohm dummy
load using a 13.8 volt power supply.

These radios are very well regarded (see eham.net reviews) and no
longer available.

Please contact me off list for details and photos.

Steve
N9SZ
zabarnick at gmail.com

From ve1bvd at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 12:31:13 2015
From: ve1bvd at gmail.com (Phil Irons)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 13:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 + Icom 746Pro
Message-ID: <CAM8sY76WdGVbOcN5Nt_S1mzaOe_9+Np_3O5DNb=fObg0Mhmc+w@mail.gmail.com>

The subject line says it all.  Anyone have any experience with this
combination?  Does it work?  Any problems?  Comments/advice appreciated.

73,

Phil/VE1BVD

-- 
Phil & Anne Irons
Sydney, Nova Scotia

From alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz  Wed Jan  7 13:55:25 2015
From: alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz (alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 19:55:25 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
References: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>
Message-ID: <2jmj.2TcIP.5qPIDj{E4fm.1KhO4T@seznam.cz>

HI David,

so my numbers:

for 144.300MHz
0,1mW -> 2W out
1mW -> 9W 

for 146.100MHz (as I have I/F for 10GHz from 146MHz up)
0,1mW -> 1,3W
1mW -> 7W

hope You did power calibration via K3 Utility whwre is also 1mW output 
calibration
(I did ;-))

All the best and GL,
73!

Lexa, OK1DST
K3/100 #727



---------- P?vodn? zpr?va ----------
Od: David Pratt <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Komu: Viggo Magnus Nilsen <la9nea at online.no>
Datum: 7. 1. 2015 10:10:58
P?edm?t: Re: [Elecraft] K3 , Elecraft Transverter K144XV-K

"I have just measured my K144XV power output with an accurate power output 
meter and find that with the K3 set for 1mW the output is 10.5W. But setting
the K3 to 0.1mW (fully counter-clockwise) the output goes down to only about
7W. No matter what I do, I am unable to reduce the power further.

It will be interesting to see if other K144XV users find the same.

73 de David G4DMP

On 7 Jan 2015 04:20, Viggo Magnus Nilsen <la9nea at online.no> wrote:
>
> Hello K3 owners ! 
>
> Want to know the lowest power setting Elecraft internal 2 meter transv.( K
144XV-K)??, know the max out is 8 to 10 watt approx....... 
>
> My DB6NT transverters ( IF 144 MHz) need 0,5 to 5 watt ,(IF power settings
are adjustable in the DB6NT Transverter) 
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From pf at tippete.net  Wed Jan  7 14:17:37 2015
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:17:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
In-Reply-To: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>
	(David Pratt's message of "Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:10:13 +0000")
References: <d6509b1663bf5d90b23dba75f84d8aa7@mwinf5d45.me-wanadoo.net>
Message-ID: <87ppaqh032.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>

>>>>> "David" == David Pratt <david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> writes:


    David> I have just measured my K144XV power output with an accurate power output meter and find that with the K3 set for 1mW the output is 10.5W.  But setting the K3 to 0.1mW (fully counter-clockwise) the output goes down to only about 7W.  No matter what I do, I am unable to reduce the power further.
    David> It will be interesting to see if other K144XV users find the same.

Mine doesn't go below 6W as measured with the W2. 


-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx

From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net  Wed Jan  7 18:27:27 2015
From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:27:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3, Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
Message-ID: <004b01d02ad1$80548aa0$80fd9fe0$@STL-OnLine.Net>

I too am very dissatisfied with my internal transverter and sent it to
Elecraft to be "fixed".  It returned with the comment that it was "operating
as expected".  I recall my range was about 4 watts, roughly 4 to 8 watts.
My need was for a max of 2 watts and that isn't going to happen.  I can't
believe Elecraft would produce a product that is implied to operate from .1
to 10 watts and then say this is acceptable.  It is only fair to believe
that this product would operate accurately and precisely as the HF portion
of this fine radio and all of their other excellent products.

Sorry for being disgruntled but this is one option I am sorry I bought.

73, Jim KG0KP

    David> I have just measured my K144XV power output with an accurate
power output meter and find that with the K3 set for 1mW the output is
10.5W.  But setting the K3 to 0.1mW (fully counter-clockwise) the output
goes down to only about 7W.  No matter what I do, I am unable to reduce the
power further.
    David> It will be interesting to see if other K144XV users find the
same.

Mine doesn't go below 6W as measured with the W2. 


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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  7 18:35:47 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:35:47 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 does not use "EBS",
	and doesn't have any associated bias noise
In-Reply-To: <54AC61FD.4050801@elecraft.com>
References: <54AC61FD.4050801@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <23B8AFCB-732F-4810-B229-73D9792305B2@elecraft.com>

Recently there was speculation about the KPA500 using an "Electronic Bias System" (EBS), and whether that might be implicated in a noise issue.

First, we have never heard any reports of a "bias crunch" or "paper crunch" problem with the KPA500. This particular noise is quite distinctive, which easily differentiates itself from other common station integration problems such as overdrive or RFI. 

Second, there is no "mod" available, because the KPA500 does not now, nor ever has had an EBS circuit.

Details:

The KPA500 definitely does not suffer from so-called "bias crunch"--a noise at the end of a SSB transmission similar to that made by wrinkling a sheet of paper--because full bias is applied immediately whenever the KPA500 is in OPER mode and is keyed. Full bias is maintained until the KPA500 is unkeyed.

EBS is often used with vacuum tube amplifiers that require large bias currents to meet their linearity requirements. In some cases, the bias current required results in a standing power dissipation between 1/2 and 2/3 of the plate dissipation rating of the tube. Thus, the tube generates more waste heat while idling than under key down conditions. EBS works by sampling the RF drive signal. Until the drive reaches a watt or two, the tube is either cut off or idling with extremely low current. Then, after the input power threshold is reached, the EBS suddenly applies full bias. Just like a receiver's AGC attack and decay times, EBS timing is tricky and critical to proper operation without causing unwanted artifacts. The paper crunch noise occurs when the tube is caught amplifying without bias (temporarily operating in non-linear Class-C mode) due to improper time constants.

When the KPA500 was designed, it was determined that the bias current required for proper linearity was low enough that EBS is not needed. As any KPA500 owner can quickly verify by placing the amplifier in OPER mode and grounding the KEY IN line, the front panel meter reads this standing bias current--even with zero RF drive. Amplifiers that have EBS do not show any standing bias current without drive.

Any KPA500 that generates a paper-crunch artifact is not operating correctly.

(I'd like to thank Bob, K6XX, for researching EBS so we could provide the above information.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  7 19:02:34 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:02:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3, Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
In-Reply-To: <004b01d02ad1$80548aa0$80fd9fe0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
References: <004b01d02ad1$80548aa0$80fd9fe0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
Message-ID: <27C1E684-C605-47E9-988C-22F396C071A4@elecraft.com>

Jim (KG0KP) wrote:

> I recall my range was about 4 watts, roughly 4 to 8 watts.
> My need was for a max of 2 watts and that isn't going to happen.

Hi Jim,

At the time we designed this module, we were trying for maximum power output, and I'm sorry to say that we didn't attempt to ensure any particular minimum. Field testers for the unit were all asking for even higher power, and there was no discussion that I recall of an application for less. 

Even though the sales brochure and the manual for the K144XV only mention "maximum power output" and never make a claim for "minimum", I can see why you would expect less than 4 watts, given the available 10-to-1 drive range. 

There appears to be significant variance in results at minimum drive (0.1 mW), so I've asked the engineer who designed the unit to investigate. There are only a few factors that control power output and gain, so it could be that a very simple modification might be possible to increase the output range.

I'll post the results of our investigation.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jan  7 19:35:44 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 16:35:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
 for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
	<54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>

I may be the only Elecraft customer with this problem, monochromacy is 
extremely rare [poor choice of both Mom and Dad :-)], but other forms of 
defective color vision are much more common, mainly in males and most 
hams are male.  Consequently I'll reply to Alan on the list so everyone 
can help him.

On 1/6/2015 8:28 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:

> By the way, I also have typical male red-green color blindness but I
> have no trouble distinguishing the VFO A and VFO B cursors.  There are
> several types of red-green color blindness, so perhaps that's the
> difference.

There are actually multiple forms of colorblindness.  The most common 
types involve a shift in the absorption spectra on one or more of the 
photoreceptors.  Most are inherited and are sex-linked because the 
pigment genes are on the X chromosome and males have only one.  If it's 
bad, you're color blind.  For females with two X chromosomes, if one is 
good, it will prevent color vision defects.  Some forms are caused by a 
defective gene on a non-sex chromosome [#7 I think, but don't hold me to 
that].

I just physically don't have any color receptors at all.  This results 
in more luminance receptors in their place, I'm somewhat light 
sensitive, and I can see quite well in very dim light where those with 
normal color vision can't see at all.  Part of that effect is also 
psychological for "normies."**
>
> The VFO A cursor is green, the spectrum trace is yellow and the
> background color is dark blue.  If the yellow trace and green cursor are
> too similar I would think the problem is not being able to see the trace
> in the cursor area, rather than not being able to see the cursor
> (against the dark-blue background).  So I'm confused about that one.

On a quiet band such as 15 right now at 2350Z, I can tell that there is 
a difference between the VFO A cursor and the spectrum trace.  It's not 
a big difference, but I'm watching the intruder carrier at 21.003 right 
now on CW, the carrier trace shows up 500 Hz below the cursor [my 
sidetone frequency], and they're not exactly the same.  The DSP bandpass 
appears as a very slight brightening against the background.  The cursor 
stands out from that.

During the RTTY RU this last weekend, there were many signals, and the 
difference between the cursor and the spectrum trace isn't enough to 
allow me to pick it out.

Incidentally, on a moderately quiet band, if VFO A and VFO B cursors are 
both visible and close, I can usually distinguish them [A is a little 
bit brighter].  If they're not together, I can't tell you which is 
which, *however* there are other obvious ways to determine which one I'm 
looking at so this is not a problem at all.
>
> Anyway, is the solution to make the VFO A cursor bright white?  I think
> it would look nicer to make it gray, but then it might look too similar
> to the yellow trace for those who are totally color-blind.

When I first got the P3, the waterfall was of very limited usefulness to 
me.  Weaker signals were various shades of blue and they did not show up 
for me against the blue background.  Moderate signals were much brighter 
and did.  Very strong signals were deep red and faded into the 
background again.  When you added the monochrome WF option, it all 
changed.  I can discern any strength signal, even the weakest ones I 
might not even hear, and they just get brighter the stronger they are.

Based on that, I'm pretty sure a bright white VFO A cursor would allow 
me to find it in the spectrum trace when the band is full of signals. 
If the VFO B cursor was also bright white but dashed, I'd be totally 
home free :-)) ... that's a joke, NOT a request, as I said there are 
other ways to tell which is which, and the only time I use the VFO B 
cursor is working DX split and marking where I'm going to send stations 
to clear their traffic when I'm NCS.

Someone once told me I'm not color-blind, I'm color-ignorant. 
Technically, I can "see" any color you offer me, I just can't name it. 
It's a matter of contrast for me, two different colors, both of which I 
can see, may present no contrast difference.  That's why the monochrome 
WF works so well for me, it's *all* contrast, and thank you again for 
that!  I can't see the red numerals on the direct frequency entry keys 
on the K3 unless the sunlight is just right on them ... no contrast with 
the key itself.  That's just a fact, NOT a complaint. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

**The color receptors "normies" have are less sensitive than their 
luminance receptors, and everyone with normal color vision will lose it 
in dim light.  In infancy and very early childhood, the brain gets wired 
for a chromatic world, and when it disappears in dim light, the brain 
decides you can't see at all, even if you actually can, dimly, with a 
monochrome image.


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan  7 20:12:05 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:12:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 does not use "EBS",
 and doesn't have any associated bias noise
In-Reply-To: <23B8AFCB-732F-4810-B229-73D9792305B2@elecraft.com>
References: <54AC61FD.4050801@elecraft.com>
	<23B8AFCB-732F-4810-B229-73D9792305B2@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54ADD965.2090809@elecraft.com>

One additional note to Wayne's posting:

If an on-air signal sounds bad it is frequently because the user is over-driving 
the amplifier, using and adjusting the amplifier to Rig ALC incorrectly (we 
strongly recommend not to use ALC) or possibly has gone inside the amp and 
manually mis-adjusted the fixed bias to the PAs.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com

On 1/7/2015 3:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Recently there was speculation about the KPA500 using an "Electronic Bias System" (EBS), and whether that might be implicated in a noise issue.
>
> First, we have never heard any reports of a "bias crunch" or "paper crunch" problem with the KPA500. This particular noise is quite distinctive, which easily differentiates itself from other common station integration problems such as overdrive or RFI.
>
> Second, there is no "mod" available, because the KPA500 does not now, nor ever has had an EBS circuit.
>
> Details:
>
> The KPA500 definitely does not suffer from so-called "bias crunch"--a noise at the end of a SSB transmission similar to that made by wrinkling a sheet of paper--because full bias is applied immediately whenever the KPA500 is in OPER mode and is keyed. Full bias is maintained until the KPA500 is unkeyed.
>
> EBS is often used with vacuum tube amplifiers that require large bias currents to meet their linearity requirements. In some cases, the bias current required results in a standing power dissipation between 1/2 and 2/3 of the plate dissipation rating of the tube. Thus, the tube generates more waste heat while idling than under key down conditions. EBS works by sampling the RF drive signal. Until the drive reaches a watt or two, the tube is either cut off or idling with extremely low current. Then, after the input power threshold is reached, the EBS suddenly applies full bias. Just like a receiver's AGC attack and decay times, EBS timing is tricky and critical to proper operation without causing unwanted artifacts. The paper crunch noise occurs when the tube is caught amplifying without bias (temporarily operating in non-linear Class-C mode) due to improper time constants.
>
> When the KPA500 was designed, it was determined that the bias current required for proper linearity was low enough that EBS is not needed. As any KPA500 owner can quickly verify by placing the amplifier in OPER mode and grounding the KEY IN line, the front panel meter reads this standing bias current--even with zero RF drive. Amplifiers that have EBS do not show any standing bias current without drive.
>
> Any KPA500 that generates a paper-crunch artifact is not operating correctly.
>
> (I'd like to thank Bob, K6XX, for researching EBS so we could provide the above information.)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From lew at n6lew.us  Wed Jan  7 21:50:00 2015
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:50:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] vexing K3 transverter ptoblem solved
Message-ID: <A066DF1D-70C0-4433-8FDD-7D9E6AC34D25@n6lew.us>

For what it?s worth, I thought I would pass along my recent experience with a vexing transverter problem, and the cause of the problem that I eventually identified.

The issue was that my XV432 would light up its power output LEDs  ever so briefly when the transmitter was keyed, and then shut down. It was pretty obviously a shorted output situation.

I first assumed it was a faulty coax cable connecting either the K3 to the XV432 or the SV4 32 to the antenna. So I substituted different cables all the way around, with no benefit.

I even tested the hypothesis that the dummy load had gone bad, and substituted an older and smaller dummy load. Still no joy. 

About the only thing left in the chain between the K3 and the XV432 was the KXV3 transverter I/O board. Upon initial inspection, I saw that it was wobbling back and forth about 1/4?.  Upon closer inspection (requiring removal of the side panel of the case) it became clear that a 1/2? long 4-40 machine screw was missing, allowing the board to flex backward and forward, and apparently shorting the output.  

I replaced the missing machine screw, tightened the other machine screw on the opposite corner of the I/O board, and the problem was gone.

Moral to the story:  mechanical problems can cause electrical problems. 

At least I got it fixed in time for the upcoming VHF contest. 

73,

Lew 

Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10 
Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us

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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  7 22:17:28 2015
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (a******@sbcglobal)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:17:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
	for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
	<54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com> <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <0EA3CA5B-F8E2-4A69-B9EB-E9692528AE52@sbcglobal.net>

Interesting. Would a straight monochrome spectrum take care of all of this?

Al. W6LX



From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 01:07:16 2015
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 23:07:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:P3
Message-ID: <1420697236364-7596906.post@n2.nabble.com>

$625 shipped. No SVGA board.CONUS only.



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K3 #5986
P3 #1752
KPA500 #596
XG3
XG1


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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 04:43:17 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:43:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
	for Alan
In-Reply-To: <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
	<54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com> <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <9743E605-F446-42E5-A7B9-B9DEE76DC5A8@yahoo.co.uk>

Fred,

Thanks for the fascinating description of your monochromacy. 

I have never come across anyone with this, though did know the condition existed.

As a photographer I am conscious of colours and had an amusing incident when I had a faulty iPad display where the colours were posterised in certain shades of yellow and took it back to the shop to get it replaced under warranty. The young gentleman that looked at it declared he could not see anything wrong with it when I compared the same photo on the faulty one with another in the shop. I almost gave up then asked if I could get a female assistant to have a look and she immediately saw what I was complaining about. Of course being male he suffered from colour blindness of some kind and didn't realise it until then.

It occurred to me as I wrote that, I assume that like the days of monochrome film photography when we used yellow colour filters to emphasise the contrast of things like clouds and blue sky, that you will be see similar effects if you place different colour filters in front of the colour display of the waterfall on the P3 with your monochrome vision?

Glad that Elecraft are able to do something to make the P3 as useable as possible for those with similar conditions.


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 8 Jan 2015, at 00:35, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> I may be the only Elecraft customer with this problem, monochromacy is extremely rare [poor choice of both Mom and Dad :-)], but other forms of defective color vision are much more common, mainly in males and most hams are male.

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Thu Jan  8 07:25:49 2015
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 12:25:49 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + iMic Sound Card = Wild Scan
In-Reply-To: <mailman.98.1420710205.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.98.1420710205.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54AE774D.16139.C541F3@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>

Use a 4 pole jack plug too helps.

Tip, Ring, Ring, Sleve.

They are relatively easy to obtain.

You may also (probably will) need a resistive atenuator, and maybe a DC 
blocking cap between the iMic's line out, and the KX3's Mic input.   Or setting 
levels "gets tricky!"

For receive, there are other issues, using the Phones jack, mutes the rig's 
speaker.

Using the I/Q output, is another way, but I've had poor results with that.   I 
ended up making a cable that had a floating jack socket, to connect a small 
speaker or 'phones to, while using digimodes, that in turn connects to the Phone 
socket on the rig.

For Fldigi use, set the rig into USB and DATA A mode (turns off any/all TX/RX 
equalisation, but keeps the settings you have for voice modes.)

Set the rig's filters so that it passes just about everything between 100 and 
3000Hz to the iMic.  Let Fldigi do all the heavy lifting.

Use USB for ALL Fldigi work, even if you are working on the "low bands".   If you 
need to swap tones (for some RTTY needs) use Fldigi's "Rev" button (lower 
right.)

If you have the USB<>KX3 serial lead, try using the K3 driver XML file 
(download from the Fldigi XML archives page  
http://www.w1hkj.com/xmlarchives.html)

Or try using Flrig also set to use a K3.   Hamlib results vary!

Then the frequency values in Fldigi follow what the rig is doing, much easier to 
use that way.

(The RIGCAT XML route is my preference, edited so that JUST the tuning and 
frequency data passes back/forth, I prefer to manipulate the radio's other 
settings by  mk1 fingers at this time.)

Note, the KX3 and K3 use a CAT protocol that is very similar to that used by 
Kenwood.   There is a lot you can do with it, but there are some significant 
differences!

Enjoy!

73.

Dave.  G0WBX.



> David,
> 
> Set MIC BTN to OFF
> 
> That should fix it I think.
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
> > On 7 Jan 2015, at 02:53, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Strange one. Trying to make audio in and out connections with my Mac
> > Mini and
> my KX3 Line for use with cocoaModem and FLDigi. Mac Mini ?sees" the
> Mic, and responds to the RX I/Q stream from the PX3. BUT, when I
> connect the iMic to the KX3 MIC port, it sends the KX3 into a scan
> frequency mode. What am I doing wrong? > > David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA >
> 



From elecraft at g4fre.com  Thu Jan  8 08:28:07 2015
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 13:28:07 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3    ,  Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
In-Reply-To: <mailman.98.1420710205.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.98.1420710205.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000601d02b46$f15d6800$d4183800$@com>

Mine goes down to 1W which is the level I use now on my db6nt transverters. 

I initially used 3W (to simulate my IC202 power) but the db6nt IF pin diodes
kept breaking

Dave

G4FRE
------------------------------


Hello K3 owners !

Want to know the lowest power setting Elecraft internal 2 meter transv.(
K144XV-K)??, know the max out is 8 to 10 watt approx.......

My DB6NT transverters ( IF 144 MHz) need 0,5 to 5 watt ,(IF power settings
are adjustable in the DB6NT Transverter)

73' Viggo  LA9NEA




From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Jan  8 10:34:59 2015
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 15:34:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 rev. 2.33: Improved NEW QSK mode,
	flat RX EQ in DATA modes
In-Reply-To: <dFfE1p00a4T90KB01FfGcL>
Message-ID: <em7bc17463-d3c1-4369-b8e2-7c0a4c261179@hamradio-pc>

Just finished a nice QSO on 40 meters and the right channel click using 
NEW QSK seems to be completely gone (or so low my old ears can't detect 
it).  I set the 60 meter channels up in memories using the K3/KX3 memory 
editor and tried running through the modes and used TUNE and ATU-TUNE 
into a dummy load.  They seem to work okay.  I didn't put a signal on 
the air as there were QSO's in progress on all the channels.

Channel hopping - My PX3 updates properly, changing modes and it works 
on 2 meters with the transverter as well.  I hooked up my SignaLink USB 
and checked the EQ settings - they now auto-set to no EQ when DATA modes 
are selected - Ran my HAL ST-8000 super RTTY AFSK modem through it and 
same there on RTTY.

My testing shows everything is OK, but it's possible I missed something. 
  However, I'd put it up for Beta and get a wider range of testers for a 
deeper perspective - I beat on it pretty hard, but there are some guys 
out there that could break a steel beam without even trying - LOL.

Jim - W0EB

------ Original Message ------
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Steve Buroker" <sburoker at msn.com>; "Reed" <w4jz at bellsouth.net>; 
canissen at gmail.com; "Ron" <w4ut at epbfi.com>; "Ray Sills" 
<raysills3 at verizon.net>; "Leroy Marion" <lmarion at mt.net>; "Art 
Nienhouse" <ka9zap at gmail.com>; "Charles Powell" <cwpowell at gmail.com>; 
"Jim Sheldon" <w0eb at cox.net>; "Greg Franklin" <greg.franklin at gmail.com>; 
"Hjalmar Dukl?t" <duklaet at broadpark.no>; "Don Palmer" 
<d.palmer at btinternet.com>; "Randy Moore" <ai4co at outlook.com>; 
"Jean-Fran?ois M?nard" <jean-francois.menard at outlook.com>; "John 
Oppenheimer" <john at KN5L.net>; "ct1drb72 at gmail.com Quental" 
<ct1drb72 at gmail.com>; "Darren Long" <darren.long at mac.com>; "Matt Zilmer" 
<mattz at elecraft.com>; "Gary - NC3Z" <nc3z.gary at gmail.com>; "Edouard 
Lafargue" <edouard at lafargue.name>; "Paul Locker" <pmlock1 at yahoo.com>; 
"Sven Ladegast" <sven at ladegast.info>; "John and Rita Freitag" 
<jpfreitag at mac.com>; "Rick Tavan N6XI" <rtavan at gmail.com>; "ka5wrg" 
<ka5wrg at yahoo.com>
Sent: 1/7/2015 9:39:16 PM
Subject: KX3 rev. 2.33: Improved NEW QSK mode, flat RX EQ in DATA modes

>Hi all,
>
>The attached KX3 field-test firmware is improved over the release I 
>sent most of you previously (2.32). NEW QSK mode should now produce 
>fewer receive artifacts while keying with AFX=DELAY. DATA mode RX EQ 
>should be completely flat.
>
>Please give it a good workout, using as many bands, modes and features 
>as possible, as we'd like to go to beta with this rev if possible. See 
>release notes below, which include a proposed method of testing NEW QSK 
>vs. OLD QSK.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>* * *
>
>

From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  8 10:32:54 2015
From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:32:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Hearing Loss
Message-ID: <1420731174.94306.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I've struggled with 35% hearing loss over the past 9 years.  I finally spent the money and bought hearing aids 3 years ago - what a difference for normal every day life.  However, they didn't help me much with ham radio but I suffered through by putting the small Heil headset ear piece on top of the hearing aid where the microphone was located.

A month ago, I purchased new hearing aids (well my insurance did) and they are fitted with blue tooth.  I wear a small blue tooth box around my neck which is connected to my cell phone via blue tooth.  It's incredible talking on the phone now.  But the best part - I have a small cable I plug into my external speaker and then into my blue tooth box around my neck.  The audio from the K3 is pumped into both hearing aids.  I can't believe the difference it has made.  With the new QSK feature on the K3 and the blue tooth hearing aids, I can pick out CW signals that I would have never deciphered before.  And, copying SSB is incredible too.

If you can afford the hearing aids with blue tooth - don't hesitate.

Larry, KN8N

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan  8 11:41:06 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:41:06 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA500 does not use "EBS",
 and doesn't have any          associated bias noise
Message-ID: <201501081641.t08Gf6Cc053908@denali.acsalaska.net>

A side note to this topic for RF amplifiers, in general:

I have not heard of this "paper crunch" noise description, before 
this, but it's well known with VHF and up operation that one does 
want to remove bias during receive on many amplifiers due to "white" 
noise being generated.  Perhaps this is not detected from HF 
amplifiers because sky noise is much higher and it is not heard.

I initially ran a 50w modified 900-MHz amplifier on 1296-eme and 
making a quick connection did not bother with switching the keying 
line which enabled/disabled bias.  I was puzzled why my noise floor 
was 6-dB higher than normal (I monitor the noise floor in receive 
with a SDR-IQ set for maximum span (190-KHz)).  Someone replied to my 
e-mail comment suggesting that bias might not be set to cutoff.  That 
was the solution and once I connected up a TR line to key the amp for 
Tx (and unkey it in Rx) Rx noise was back to normal (sky noise at 
1296-MHz is in the region of 10K vs 20,000K at 28 MHz).

This is probably not related to the "paper crunch".

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From w0eb at cox.net  Thu Jan  8 11:55:09 2015
From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 does not use "EBS",
 and doesn't have any associated bias noise
In-Reply-To: <dUiW1p01445oxQM01UiXMv>
Message-ID: <em841ec814-1460-4242-829f-0c03dc1f08de@hamradio-pc>

  I'll add to this in that I just tested my KPA500 to see what the noise 
floor did with it on or off.  On an antenna, I noticed absolutely no 
change in noise floor on any band 160-6, but just to kill the 
atmospheric noise, I connected a dummy load to the output of the KPA500. 
  Again, absolutely no change in noise floor, either by ear or visually 
on the P3 with the KPA500 in operate, standby or power off (normal and 
also completely off via back panel switch).

Jim - W0EB

------ Original Message ------
From: "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/8/2015 10:41:06 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 does not use "EBS", and doesn't have any 
associated bias noise

>A side note to this topic for RF amplifiers, in general:
>
>I have not heard of this "paper crunch" noise description, before this, 
>but it's well known with VHF and up operation that one does want to 
>remove bias during receive on many amplifiers due to "white" noise 
>being generated. Perhaps this is not detected from HF amplifiers 
>because sky noise is much higher and it is not heard.


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan  8 12:03:01 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:03:01 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3, Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
Message-ID: <201501081703.t08H31sR056680@denali.acsalaska.net>

David and Lexa,

My observations on most RF power amplifiers is that gain is higher at 
lower drive levels so proportionally there is more output.  e.g. full 
drive =10w, half drive = 7w, quarter drive = 5w.  So one finds that 
an amplifier hits a minimum output with lowered drive that is not 
linear with change in drive level.  Yet these amplifiers sound fine 
in SSB so must have good linearity.

My 50w 2m transverter actually will produce nearly 60w with 1.5mw 
drive and 35w with 0.73 mw, but minimum output with 0.1mw is about 
15w.  I insert a 3-dB attenuator to get down to 7w output to drive my 
150w amp to 55w which is the drive required for 1400w with my 
2m-8877.  I prefer this arrangement vs running the transverter near 
max at 55w when running digital modes (less heat stress on the 
transverter amp which also translates as less thermal frequency 
drift).  My 25w 1296 transverter runs 20w at full output and about 8w 
with minimum drive.  I've seen this consistently with RF power 
amplifiers (my HF amps operate similarly)

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan  8 12:28:46 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 08:28:46 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft]  vexing K3 transverter problem solved
Message-ID: <201501081729.t08HTBqX034827@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Lew,

Excellent observation (and troubleshooting).

Too often a problem can be due to something very simple but 
unnoticed.  If you build kits (the kind you solder components to a pc 
board) you may have noticed many holes place in strategic areas of 
the board that have no components installed thru them.  They are call 
via's and are place to ground the circuit board to avoid sneak paths 
for currents that can cause sporadic oscillation in the 
circuit.  Often there are more screws holding down a board than just 
at the corners and they also help proper grounding.  A lose screw or 
board can lead to very strange operating characteristics.  This issue 
gets rapidly more complicated designing for VHF and higher 
frequencies, but can cause issues even in audio stages.

This "magic" that good RF designers have is what you pay more for.

73, Ed - KL7UW
my first job out of college was as Technician in a small R&D 
engineering dept.  Our job was to build up design prototypes from the 
engineers initial design and test them for proper operation - which 
they typically did not do.  Then we searched for some of those magic 
little "fixes" to the real circuit that did not show in the 
schematic.  Many rerouting of circuits and bypass capacitors and RF 
chokes are placed as result of this type of "fine tuning" of a 
design.  Your alpha tester do this.

------------------
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:50:00 -0800
From: Lewis Phelps <lew at n6lew.us>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net List" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] vexing K3 transverter ptoblem solved
Message-ID: <A066DF1D-70C0-4433-8FDD-7D9E6AC34D25 at n6lew.us>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

For what it?s worth, I thought I would pass along my recent 
experience with a vexing transverter problem, and the cause of the 
problem that I eventually identified.

The issue was that my XV432 would light up its power output 
LEDs  ever so briefly when the transmitter was keyed, and then shut 
down. It was pretty obviously a shorted output situation.

I first assumed it was a faulty coax cable connecting either the K3 
to the XV432 or the SV4 32 to the antenna. So I substituted different 
cables all the way around, with no benefit.

I even tested the hypothesis that the dummy load had gone bad, and 
substituted an older and smaller dummy load. Still no joy.

About the only thing left in the chain between the K3 and the XV432 
was the KXV3 transverter I/O board. Upon initial inspection, I saw 
that it was wobbling back and forth about 1/4?.  Upon closer 
inspection (requiring removal of the side panel of the case) it 
became clear that a 1/2? long 4-40 machine screw was missing, 
allowing the board to flex backward and forward, and apparently 
shorting the output.

I replaced the missing machine screw, tightened the other machine 
screw on the opposite corner of the I/O board, and the problem was gone.

Moral to the story:  mechanical problems can cause electrical problems.

At least I got it fixed in time for the upcoming VHF contest.

73,

Lew

Lew Phelps N6LEW
Pasadena, CA DM04wd
Elecraft K3-10
Yaesu FT-7800
Lew at N6LEW.US
www.n6lew.us


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Jan  8 12:31:30 2015
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:31:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <1420731174.94306.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1420731174.94306.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54AEBEF2.2000408@kanafi.org>

On 1/8/2015 7:32 AM, Larry Boekeloo wrote:

> I have
> a small cable I plug into my external speaker and then into my blue 
> tooth box around my neck.  The audio from the K3 is pumped into both
>  hearing aids.

I have the same type of device (Phonak ComPilot).  The only "downside"
is that it runs the battery in the device down rapidly when used
in the streaming mode.  But you are right - it makes all the difference
in the world.

From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan  8 12:40:17 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 12:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3, Elecraft  Transverter K144XV-K
In-Reply-To: <201501081703.t08H31sR056680@denali.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501081703.t08H31sR056680@denali.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <54AEC101.10000@subich.com>


 > My observations on most RF power amplifiers is that gain is higher at
 > lower drive levels so proportionally there is more output.  e.g. full
 > drive =10w, half drive = 7w, quarter drive = 5w.

You are describing classic compression in the amplifier [chain].  Where
you have cascaded amplifiers, measure the Po/Pi slope *for each device*
and adjust the relative gains/drive levels so that each device has a
similar curve - or at least all begin to compress at the same level -
and operate below the onset of compression.

 > Yet these amplifiers sound fine in SSB so must have good linearity.

You can't say that.  Non-linearity will show up first in IMD products
*outside the SSB bandwidth* - your neighbors will hear the distortion
before your QSO partner does or you hear it in your monitor.

Now, there is no issue using these amplifiers in CW/RTTY/JT-mode as all
of those modes are "one tone at a time" and do not generate significant
IMD when feeding even a class C amplifier (transitions will become a
bit sharper/more "clicky").  However in general, one should keep any
*amplifier chain* used for "linear" modes (SSB, PSK31/63/125, etc.)
below the 1 dB compression point.  In other words, if 10W drive gives
750W output you should need any more than 25W for 1500W output.

The 1 dB compression point is generally associated with IMD in the -33
to -35 dB range provided other issues (e.g. crossover distortion, bias
stability, etc.) are well controlled.  Ideally one would keep any gain
compression well below 1 dB (20%) but that is often difficult with
solid stage devices at high power levels - particularly since solid
state devices tend to be rated for saturated mode (class C, pulse)
outputs without regard for compression.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-08 12:03 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> David and Lexa,
>
> My observations on most RF power amplifiers is that gain is higher at
> lower drive levels so proportionally there is more output.  e.g. full
> drive =10w, half drive = 7w, quarter drive = 5w.  So one finds that an
> amplifier hits a minimum output with lowered drive that is not linear
> with change in drive level.  Yet these amplifiers sound fine in SSB so
> must have good linearity.
>
> My 50w 2m transverter actually will produce nearly 60w with 1.5mw drive
> and 35w with 0.73 mw, but minimum output with 0.1mw is about 15w.  I
> insert a 3-dB attenuator to get down to 7w output to drive my 150w amp
> to 55w which is the drive required for 1400w with my 2m-8877.  I prefer
> this arrangement vs running the transverter near max at 55w when running
> digital modes (less heat stress on the transverter amp which also
> translates as less thermal frequency drift).  My 25w 1296 transverter
> runs 20w at full output and about 8w with minimum drive.  I've seen this
> consistently with RF power amplifiers (my HF amps operate similarly)
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>      "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>      dubususa at gmail.com
>
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From k6jw at cox.net  Thu Jan  8 13:41:28 2015
From: k6jw at cox.net (Jeffrey Wolf)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 10:41:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K2-100 with KAT100 ATU
Message-ID: <54AECF58.2030804@cox.net>

K2-100 SN 03429 for sale. Contact Jeff, K6JW at k6jw at arrl.net for full 
information and photo.


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan  8 17:15:16 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:15:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Alan: VFO A Cursor color in FixTrack Mode -
 for Alan
In-Reply-To: <0EA3CA5B-F8E2-4A69-B9EB-E9692528AE52@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8937E.6040906@foothill.net> <54A90A40.7030602@gmail.com>
	<54ACB5F5.4060300@elecraft.com> <54ADD0E0.5000905@foothill.net>
	<0EA3CA5B-F8E2-4A69-B9EB-E9692528AE52@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <54AF0174.4050502@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... don't know, but generally speaking anything monochrome works 
for me.  Ansel Adams photos look great to me, monochrome TV is fine too. 
  My wife tells me the P3 spectrum display background is deep blue, 
which is just barely distinguishable for me from the black WF background 
in monochrome mode.  When information is conveyed on a display, graph, 
Power Point slide, or whatever using different colors, I do fine if:

1.  The various colors look different to me; and

2.  They are identified somewhere in text denoting what each means.

Scientific American [lots of graphs and color coded diagrams] can often 
be incomprehensible to me.  Well, sometimes the text is incomprehensible 
for me even without the graphs. :-)

Finding the VFO A cursor [green] in the spectrum display [yellow] when 
the band is full of signals is my real goal.  I don't really look much 
at the spectrum half of the display much except to see what the level of 
a signal is in dBm and find the cursor, the monochrome WF is much more 
useful for me.  Anything that would make the cursor stand out would be fine.

Let us also not forget, this may affect exactly one Elecraft customer, 
hardly worth a lot of engineering effort. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/7/2015 7:17 PM, a******@sbcglobal wrote:
> Interesting. Would a straight monochrome spectrum take care of all of this?
>
> Al. W6LX


From graham at g4fnl.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 17:29:02 2015
From: graham at g4fnl.co.uk (G4FNL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:29:02 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
Message-ID: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>

Folks, HNY to all

I believe that there is a potential firmware upgrade that is imminent that
will enable the K3 to be able to generate and receive PSK63 (as well as
PSK31). If I have understood correctly, I would be grateful for an idea of
likely timescales ?

Many thanks

73 Graham G4FNL

 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan  8 17:32:41 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:32:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
In-Reply-To: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>
References: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7E00D05D-BC1C-4BCC-B923-4AC5F8AB8972@elecraft.com>

Hi Graham,

This was added last October. Here are the relevant release notes:

MCU 4.93 / DSP 2.83, 10-16-2014

* PSK63 MODE ADDED:  To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the MODE switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to select the PSK data rate.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 8, 2015, at 2:29 PM, "G4FNL" <graham at g4fnl.co.uk> wrote:

> Folks, HNY to all
> 
> I believe that there is a potential firmware upgrade that is imminent that
> will enable the K3 to be able to generate and receive PSK63 (as well as
> PSK31). If I have understood correctly, I would be grateful for an idea of
> likely timescales ?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 73 Graham G4FNL
> 
> 
> 
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From graham at g4fnl.co.uk  Thu Jan  8 17:36:21 2015
From: graham at g4fnl.co.uk (G4FNL)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:36:21 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
In-Reply-To: <7E00D05D-BC1C-4BCC-B923-4AC5F8AB8972@elecraft.com>
References: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>
	<7E00D05D-BC1C-4BCC-B923-4AC5F8AB8972@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d02b93$8723ed90$956bc8b0$@g4fnl.co.uk>

Wayne

Thank you - wow - what a fantastically fast response!  I will check it out.

Many thanks....

73 Graham G4FNL
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] 
Sent: 08 January 2015 22:33
To: graham at g4fnl.co.uk
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63

Hi Graham,

This was added last October. Here are the relevant release notes:

MCU 4.93 / DSP 2.83, 10-16-2014

* PSK63 MODE ADDED:  To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the
MODE switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to
select the PSK data rate.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 8, 2015, at 2:29 PM, "G4FNL" <graham at g4fnl.co.uk> wrote:

> Folks, HNY to all
> 
> I believe that there is a potential firmware upgrade that is imminent 
> that will enable the K3 to be able to generate and receive PSK63 (as 
> well as PSK31). If I have understood correctly, I would be grateful 
> for an idea of likely timescales ?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> 73 Graham G4FNL
> 
> 
> 
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From mteberle at mchsi.com  Thu Jan  8 17:37:35 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 16:37:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
In-Reply-To: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>
References: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54AF06AF.8010903@mchsi.com>


I thought that a firmware update that allows PSK63 had already been 
released but I do not recall what the revision number is.

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/8/2015 4:29 PM, G4FNL wrote:
> Folks, HNY to all
>
> I believe that there is a potential firmware upgrade that is imminent that
> will enable the K3 to be able to generate and receive PSK63 (as well as
> PSK31). If I have understood correctly, I would be grateful for an idea of
> likely timescales ?
>

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Jan  8 17:54:44 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
In-Reply-To: <000b01d02b93$8723ed90$956bc8b0$@g4fnl.co.uk>
References: <000601d02b92$81924210$84b6c630$@g4fnl.co.uk>	<7E00D05D-BC1C-4BCC-B923-4AC5F8AB8972@elecraft.com>
	<000b01d02b93$8723ed90$956bc8b0$@g4fnl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54AF0AB4.4080301@socal.rr.com>

Yes, it was done before you asked about it, 
Graham: That *is* fast :-)

Phil W7OX

On 1/8/15 2:36 PM, G4FNL wrote:
> Wayne
>
> Thank you - wow - what a fantastically fast response!  I will check it out.
>
> Many thanks....
>
> 73 Graham G4FNL
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com]
> Sent: 08 January 2015 22:33
> To: graham at g4fnl.co.uk
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] beta release for K3 - PSK63
>
> Hi Graham,
>
> This was added last October. Here are the relevant release notes:
>
> MCU 4.93 / DSP 2.83, 10-16-2014
>
> * PSK63 MODE ADDED:  To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the
> MODE switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to
> select the PSK data rate.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 2:29 PM, "G4FNL" <graham at g4fnl.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Folks, HNY to all
>>
>> I believe that there is a potential firmware upgrade that is imminent
>> that will enable the K3 to be able to generate and receive PSK63 (as
>> well as PSK31). If I have understood correctly, I would be grateful
>> for an idea of likely timescales ?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> 73 Graham G4FNL


From w6ux at ymail.com  Thu Jan  8 18:29:18 2015
From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:29:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] New KAT500/KPA500 owner needs help
 (K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500/Microkeyer II)
Message-ID: <833935150.3986228.1420759758657.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100123.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I just finished building my KAT500 and KPA500. ?I am trying to integrate them into my existing setup consisting of a K3, P3, and Microham Microkeyer II. ?This setup was working fine before I cabled up the new equipment, and now I am having some issues.
All hardware has been updated to the latest available firmware.
I have cabled the equipment as follows (as prescribed in the KAT500 manual, with the addition of the Elecraft Y-Cable so the KAT500 and MKII can access the ACC port on the K3):
KAT500:- ANT1 -> HexBeam feed- XMTR -> KPA500 RF OUTPUT- XCVR -> E850463 Aux Cable -> Elecraft Y-Cable -> K3 ACC (shares ACC w/microHam MicroKeyer II)- AMP? -> E8509463 Aux Cable -> KPA500 AUX- VDC? -> AC to DC 15V 1000 mA adapter

KPA500:- RF OUTPUT -> KAT500 XMTR- AUX? ? ? -> KAT500 AMP
MicroKeyer II?- ACC -> Elecraft Y-Cable -> K3 ACC
K3:- ANT1 -> KPA500 RF INPUT
- I have set the KAT3 CONFIG menu to Bypass.- I enabled KAT500Y by tapping 1 on the KAT3 CONFIG menu.- KAT500 is in AUTO mode- Tuning power is set to 25W
- Power is set to PER BAND- I have used the KAT500 to memorize settings at the low, high, and midpoints of the bands I operate, and I selected the "Optimize for KPA500" setting in the KAT500 Utility program.
And the problems I am observing so far are:
- The KPA500 isn't talking to the K3 (or vice versa); band changes are not being tracked from either device- The KPA500 isn't amplifying any amount of drive (at 35 watts out of the K3, the first LED on the KPA500 lights. ?Even with the OPER LED lit).- The KAT500 doesn't always power on. ?Sometimes the K3 has to be on first. ?Reconnecting the ACC port on the K3 seems to trigger this state.- The K3 isn't responding to mode changes in WinWarbler (RTTY/CW/SSB)
Something tells me I've got a problem with the ACC line and or cabling.
Thanks for any help you guys can provide!Jeff

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan  8 19:00:41 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 00:00:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and the Nose Blanker an observation
Message-ID: <832809431.941730.1420761641855.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100126.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I noticed something on the P3 and maybe it's a known thing.
I turned on my Flex-1500 that had been sitting idle for nearly a year and noticedthat the display looked far sharper than the P3's display (Signals more distinct).
Then I discovered what I was seeing... I had the noise blanker on the P3 ?turned on.When I turned off the noise blanker the display looked clear and distinct again.
So It appears that the noise blanker algorithm is averaging the signal to remove the noise.

Just an observation and something to remember to turn off when not needed.



From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Jan  8 20:36:12 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 17:36:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and the Nose Blanker an observation
In-Reply-To: <832809431.941730.1420761641855.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100126.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <832809431.941730.1420761641855.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100126.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54AF308C.3070406@sonic.net>

Also it is important to set the noise blanker level to the minimum that 
eliminates the noise.

Alan N1AL

On 01/08/2015 04:00 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I noticed something on the P3 and maybe it's a known thing.
> I turned on my Flex-1500 that had been sitting idle for nearly a year and noticedthat the display looked far sharper than the P3's display (Signals more distinct).
> Then I discovered what I was seeing... I had the noise blanker on the P3  turned on.When I turned off the noise blanker the display looked clear and distinct again.
> So It appears that the noise blanker algorithm is averaging the signal to remove the noise.
>
> Just an observation and something to remember to turn off when not needed.
>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan  8 22:02:17 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 03:02:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and the Nose Blanker an observation
In-Reply-To: <54AF308C.3070406@sonic.net>
References: <54AF308C.3070406@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1744214242.4031130.1420772537905.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10098.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yes, I went back and looked and I had it turned up too high
Thank you


      From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and the Nose Blanker an observation
   
Also it is important to set the noise blanker level to the minimum that 
eliminates the noise.

Alan N1AL

On 01/08/2015 04:00 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I noticed something on the P3 and maybe it's a known thing.
> I turned on my Flex-1500 that had been sitting idle for nearly a year and noticedthat the display looked far sharper than the P3's display (Signals more distinct).
> Then I discovered what I was seeing... I had the noise blanker on the P3? turned on.When I turned off the noise blanker the display looked clear and distinct again.
> So It appears that the noise blanker algorithm is averaging the signal to remove the noise.
>
> Just an observation and something to remember to turn off when not needed.
>
>
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From inventor61 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 22:13:21 2015
From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
Message-ID: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>

I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
VFO.

As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
uses hamlib for radio control options.

Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works best
is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
PTT).

I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so, that's
not the problem.

Anybody experience similar?

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan  8 23:33:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (jacob chambers via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 04:33:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KSB2, Sideband option for K2
Message-ID: <335692917.4068040.1420777998998.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100161.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello;Looking for built or unbuilt SSB board for my K2. 
Please let me know if you have one. 
Thanks;Jacob K4JQV 


From nf4l at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 08:03:38 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 08:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>

Yep. There is a known "K2/K3 problem". They're working on a solution. The program uses HamLib to interface with the radio and it apparently is the problem. I can't imagine what the problem is, and they won't tell me. The K3 (and I suspect all the Elecraft line) has a very straightforward protocol.

Send an email to  John Nelson G4KLA at g4kla at rmnjmn.demon.co.uk.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:13 PM, inventor61 . <inventor61 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
> problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
> about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
> VFO.
> 
> As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
> mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
> uses hamlib for radio control options.
> 
> Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works best
> is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
> PTT).
> 
> I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
> programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so, that's
> not the problem.
> 
> Anybody experience similar?
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From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 08:22:56 2015
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 08:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AFD630.1040900@gmail.com>

I don't have a problem, but I let dxlabs commander talk to the radio and 
configure WSJT-X to use dxlabs.

Gordon - N1MGO


On 01/08/2015 10:13 PM, inventor61 . wrote:
> I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
> problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
> about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
> VFO.
>
> As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
> mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
> uses hamlib for radio control options.
>
> Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works best
> is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
> PTT).
>
> I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
> programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so, that's
> not the problem.
>
> Anybody experience similar?
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From df1oe at live.de  Fri Jan  9 09:57:59 2015
From: df1oe at live.de (Roland_DF1OE)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:57:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
Message-ID: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>

Last Year i built my k1 #3310 - i got one of the last 4-Band filter boards.
With the k1 i had some fun as TF/DF1OE/p last year in iceland... Just built
the k1 for this adventure with a tent and backpack.

I ve a little problem - may be it is quite normal, i do not know. 
during sending cw the sidetone is very very loud - louder as it is during
adjusting  ST_L and much louder than testing it with no cw HF transmission.

During transmission it gets louder after a time. Even if i put ST_L to 1
(one) i get a loud sidetone during cw hf transmission.
Any hints are appreciated.
Roland, df1oe
df1oe at live.de

 



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan  9 09:59:09 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (jacob chambers via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 14:59:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Board found. Thanks
Message-ID: <488349413.174300.1420815549467.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100111.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Greetings;I have found the SSB board for my K2 that I inquired about on the list. Thanks so much. 
Jacob K4JQV 

From sbaum at baumsite.com  Fri Jan  9 11:05:14 2015
From: sbaum at baumsite.com (AA6VO)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:05:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Hearing Loss
In-Reply-To: <54AEBEF2.2000408@kanafi.org>
References: <1420731174.94306.YahooMailNeo@web184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54AEBEF2.2000408@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <1420819514285-7596935.post@n2.nabble.com>

FYI, streaming to the Phonak ComPilot does wear the battery down in a few
hours, you can keep it plugged in to the charger while using it (provided
you are not moving around, of course!). 



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From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Jan  9 12:27:37 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:27:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33F7357C-B7F5-40F6-963A-52F68BF1BF11@me.com>

Mr. Inventor61 (call??) - I?ve been running my K3 (full K-Line here, too) with WSJT-X v1.3, r3673 for quite some time with no problems. WSJT-X is able to control the rig?s band setting and I also use the split feature with no issues. I?d be glad to compare settings with you if you?d like. It ought to work fine for you. Drop me an email offline and we can try to get it sorted out.

73, Jim / W6JHB at ARRL dot NET


> On   Thursday, Jan 8, 2015, at  Thursday, 7:13 PM, inventor61 . <inventor61 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
> problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
> about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
> VFO.
> 
> As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
> mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
> uses hamlib for radio control options.
> 
> Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works best
> is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
> PTT).
> 
> I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
> programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so, that's
> not the problem.
> 
> Anybody experience similar?
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From inventor61 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 12:35:06 2015
From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <33F7357C-B7F5-40F6-963A-52F68BF1BF11@me.com>
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	<33F7357C-B7F5-40F6-963A-52F68BF1BF11@me.com>
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James

Thanks for your reply.  For some reason my name-and-call signature line got
chopped off my initial reflector posting.

I have the new WSJT-X v1.4 installed now.

The problem is also experienced by others, according to the many private
responses I got, there appears to be a bug in the hamlib file for the K3,
and the authors are apparently aware of it.

Tnx 73

Steve KZ1X

***
On Jan 9, 2015 12:27 PM, "James Bennett" <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:

> Mr. Inventor61 (call??) - I?ve been running my K3 (full K-Line here, too)
> with WSJT-X v1.3, r3673 for quite some time with no problems. WSJT-X is
> able to control the rig?s band setting and I also use the split feature
> with no issues. I?d be glad to compare settings with you if you?d like. It
> ought to work fine for you. Drop me an email offline and we can try to get
> it sorted out.
>
> 73, Jim / W6JHB at ARRL dot NET
>
>
> > On   Thursday, Jan 8, 2015, at  Thursday, 7:13 PM, inventor61 . <
> inventor61 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
> > problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
> > about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
> > VFO.
> >
> > As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
> > mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
> > uses hamlib for radio control options.
> >
> > Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works
> best
> > is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
> > PTT).
> >
> > I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
> > programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so,
> that's
> > not the problem.
> >
> > Anybody experience similar?
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From ar at dseven.org  Fri Jan  9 13:39:05 2015
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 10:39:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Tascam US-322 to K3
In-Reply-To: <54AC9E2C.1020806@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1420568747201-7596871.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54AC333C.8040302@embarqmail.com>
	<54AC9E2C.1020806@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B3bjWHhOjQZvEGLdAcO9z8HuQZoLGG5F7gECT2qwMg=Lg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue,1/6/2015 11:10 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> The K3 Line In and Line Out jacks are stereo type, but there is no
>> connection to the ring contact
>
> That's true only for a single-RX K3.

There certainly is a connection to the ring of the line out jack -
even without the sub RX, it will become active if "CONFIG:LIN
OUT=PHOnES"... or at least it gets the main RX audio when the sub is
inactive in that case.

73,

    ~iain / N6ML

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan  9 13:40:30 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 10:40:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54B0209E.4020909@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/9/2015 5:03 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:
> There is a known "K2/K3 problem".

The problem is ONLY with rig control -- if you run it manually, with no 
rig control, it works fine. That is, set the rig suppressed carrier 
frequency for the band you want, use JT65 below about 2 kHz audio, JT9 
above it. I use VOX for PTT.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan  9 13:42:53 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 10:42:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAHmQzTk7-CrotxyD+cWmX9nvRM5LWyNT6twz5NFkO9n1L+AeOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>	<33F7357C-B7F5-40F6-963A-52F68BF1BF11@me.com>
	<CAHmQzTk7-CrotxyD+cWmX9nvRM5LWyNT6twz5NFkO9n1L+AeOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B0212D.1050107@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/9/2015 9:35 AM, inventor61 . wrote:
> The problem is also experienced by others, according to the many private
> responses I got, there appears to be a bug in the hamlib file for the K3,
> and the authors are apparently aware of it.

Right. I lurk on the WSJT developers' list, and reported my issue with 
the new version.

73, Jim K9YC

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 13:48:11 2015
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:48:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
Message-ID: <19916406.1420829291795.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Roland_DF1OE wrote:

> Last Year i built my k1 #3310...

Excellent choice!

> I ve a little problem - may be it is quite normal...

What you describe below is very abnormal. 

> during sending cw the sidetone is very very loud - louder as it is during
> adjusting  ST_L and much louder than testing it with no cw HF transmission.
>
> During transmission it gets louder after a time. Even if i put ST_L to 1
> (one) i get a loud sidetone during cw hf transmission.

My first guess would be some disturbance at front panel board FP-U2,
the DAC which actually produces the sidetone.  The DAC uses Vdd from
the 6.0 vdc regulator FP-U4 as its reference voltage.  Perhaps you
have some RF intrusion or regulator load change during transmission
that is upsetting the regulated Vdd at pin 7 of FP-U2 that is coming
from regulator FP-U4. 

Such regulators can become unstable if there is not a small capacitor
on the output, although the ZR78L06 is not supposed to need one.
Regardless, the FP board has such a capacitor (FP-C5, 0.01 uuF) mounted
on the "bottom" (back or rear) side of the FP board.  I would check
that it is in place, and properly soldered.

FWIW, here's the MAX518 data sheet:

 http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX517-MAX519.pdf

Of course, perhaps it is something completely unrelated.  But it is
definitely abnormal.  This is what I'd check first.

73,
Mike / KK5F

From oz7bq at yahoo.dk  Fri Jan  9 14:32:02 2015
From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:32:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestions for improved KX3 configuration of RIT,
 SUB rx and Monitor level
Message-ID: <627900265.4097.1420831922427.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Hello,After about 2000+ QSOs with my KX3 please allow me to suggest a few items, that may improve the operations. Please bear with me, if I have missed something.
1) When the KX3 is switched off with the RIT activated, RIT will be off when the rig is turned on again, even though the RIT symbol is shown in the display. (Minor problem)
2) When turning the subreceiver on (with PF2) the OFS symbol is turned on. The VFO-B should be turned on when activating the SUB RX, in order to adjust the RX frequency. (As it is now, you have to push the VFO B knob to activate the VFO, which is an extra operation when entering a pile-up). (Major problem)

3) For operating convenience in quiet environments, the lowest monotor level (MON 1) should be reduced 6 - 10 db in order to reduce operator fatigue. This would be particularly helpful in contests using a PC logging and keying tool, where you just want to know what is happening. The Monitor setting on the K2, does this very nicely.
Tnx for listening, 73 OZ7BQ,? Hans J?rgen.


From alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz  Fri Jan  9 15:51:05 2015
From: alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz (alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:51:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Option: power out per ANT1/ANT2 ?
Message-ID: <2wSp.2TcHj.Vu{x9bljxF.1Ki3yv@seznam.cz>

Hi OMs,
let me ask if anybody will consider folowing as useful Option (option - used
when needed :-)):

- in K3 with KAT3 ATU unit (it means with 2 ant outputs ANT1/ANT2) to have 
possibility of different output power set by ANT port.
Simply in menu CONFIG: PWR SET new option PER-ANT

Why? If I have two antennas and one PA used for one of them ("main" ant) I 
need let say 35W for driving PA on ANT1 port and full power (100W) on ANT2 
directly connected to second antenna (NVIS dipole for example) - without PA.

Then it is possible simply switch ANT 1/2 without need to take care about 
power on output (not to overdive PA for ant1 / use maximal power from 
barefoot K3 for ant2)

Yes, setting can be more complex as NORM/PER-BAND and NORM/PER-ANT together 
can be in the game but in some scenario it can helps (one band contest with 
two antennas and one PA, etc.)

Is it silly idea or any supporters here?
Opinions?

Of course - no idea if this can be done in FW :-(

73!
Lexa, OK1DST
K3/100 #727

From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  9 15:57:13 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:57:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Option: power out per ANT1/ANT2 ?
In-Reply-To: <2wSp.2TcHj.Vu{x9bljxF.1Ki3yv@seznam.cz>
References: <2wSp.2TcHj.Vu{x9bljxF.1Ki3yv@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <7B7E23D4-8F65-47CE-BF3C-A63705467D4B@elecraft.com>

You might set up a command macro that switches antennas and changes power levels, using the AN and PC commands.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:51, <alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> - in K3
> different output power set by ANT port.
> menu CONFIG: PWR SET new option PER-ANT
> 

From parinc1 at frontier.com  Fri Jan  9 16:05:51 2015
From: parinc1 at frontier.com (Dale Parfitt)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:05:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Tilt Bail
Message-ID: <380B5262C0534D999956B83E00A6E56D@dale03dab088c4>

A long shot, but does anyone have a spare K3 bail they would like to sell. I just need the bail, but feet would be  fine too.

73,
Dale W4OP

From alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz  Fri Jan  9 16:10:37 2015
From: alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz (alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:10:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Option: power out per ANT1/ANT2 ?
References: <2wSp.2TcHj.Vu{x9bljxF.1Ki3yv@seznam.cz>
	<7B7E23D4-8F65-47CE-BF3C-A63705467D4B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2wXK.2TcHN.Ij4CK2f3Wy.1Ki4FD@seznam.cz>

Hi Dick,
good idea! I have to check N1MM and K3 Macros docs.
(or any ready-made such a macro to copy/paste?)

But still .... fw option is fw option....

-dst-




---------- P?vodn? zpr?va ----------
Od: Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
Komu: <alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz> <alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz>
Datum: 9. 1. 2015 22:03:59
P?edm?t: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Option: power out per ANT1/ANT2 ?

"You might set up a command macro that switches antennas and changes power 
levels, using the AN and PC commands.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:51, <alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> - in K3
> different output power set by ANT port.
> menu CONFIG: PWR SET new option PER-ANT
>"

From reillyjf at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 16:44:15 2015
From: reillyjf at comcast.net (Reilly, John)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:44:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
Message-ID: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>

Trying to do some planning for Field Day battery operation. We are 
planning to use a KX3 at 5w, CW.

Could someone(s) give me a feeling for RX current draw. I would like 
this to be with the Backlight ON, and other normally ON functions 
activated. Likewise, what current draw should we see with key down CW at 5w?

Thanks,
   - 73, John, N0TA

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan  9 17:26:28 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:26:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
In-Reply-To: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
References: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54B05594.7020900@embarqmail.com>

John,

The VFO B Altermate display when set for current will tell you that 
information for your particular KX3.

The manual says receive current will be in the range of 150 to 200 ma. 
and depends on backlight, preamp isolation amp and whether or not the 
internal speaker is used.

I have not measured TX current at 5 watts, but I would expect somewhere 
in the vicinity of 2 amps.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/9/2015 4:44 PM, Reilly, John wrote:
> Trying to do some planning for Field Day battery operation. We are 
> planning to use a KX3 at 5w, CW.
>
> Could someone(s) give me a feeling for RX current draw. I would like 
> this to be with the Backlight ON, and other normally ON functions 
> activated. Likewise, what current draw should we see with key down CW 
> at 5w?
>
> Thanks,
>   - 73, John, N0TA


From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 17:34:40 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:34:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CF7C4CB5-1839-4BCF-A418-7BD5FB43AEF1@gmail.com>

For me, it happens *more* when WSJT-X is not the focus. I run OS X 10.10.1.

The problem doesn?t disappear when WSJT-X has focus, but it?s not quite as aggravating. I usually just hit whichever button doesn?t shut the program down (I forget which that is now).

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L <nf4l at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Yep. There is a known "K2/K3 problem". They're working on a solution. The program uses HamLib to interface with the radio and it apparently is the problem. I can't imagine what the problem is, and they won't tell me. The K3 (and I suspect all the Elecraft line) has a very straightforward protocol.
> 
> Send an email to  John Nelson G4KLA at g4kla at rmnjmn.demon.co.uk.
> 
> 73, Mike NF4L
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:13 PM, inventor61 . <inventor61 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried the last two versions of WSJT-X and there seems to be some
>> problem with the rig control for the K3.  I get error messages, something
>> about the program not being able to read the mode of the radio's second
>> VFO.
>> 
>> As is often the case, a pretty cryptic error message is what's offered,
>> mostly intended for the programmer, not an end user.  I think the program
>> uses hamlib for radio control options.
>> 
>> Many attempts at different settings were tried, and the one that works best
>> is to set it for no programmatic rig control, at all (other than RTS for
>> PTT).
>> 
>> I have no problem with my K3-P3-KPA500 station, or with other control
>> programs, just WSJT-X.  I use only 'real' UART based COM ports, so, that's
>> not the problem.
>> 
>> Anybody experience similar?

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  9 17:36:59 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:36:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <54B0580B.2020903@sbcglobal.net>

First, let me thank all of you who generously shared your advice about 
interesting, warm places to spend the holidays and "Be the DX."

I have acknowledged some of your suggestions personally.  I will get to 
the rest of you shortly.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

From n0nb at n0nb.us  Fri Jan  9 17:46:57 2015
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:46:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] WSJT-X settings for K3
In-Reply-To: <7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
References: <CAHmQzTmCE9oOU-oeLmLEZzEDK=GCFLn1MOs0y-6UgP7Heo8PPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7D992197-6971-4588-A37A-EF16AC2DA6DC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20150109224656.GQ2216@n0nb.us>

* On 2015 09 Jan 07:04 -0600, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:
> Yep. There is a known "K2/K3 problem". They're working on a
> solution. The program uses HamLib to interface with the radio and it
> apparently is the problem. I can't imagine what the problem is, and
> they won't tell me. The K3 (and I suspect all the Elecraft line) has a
> very straightforward protocol.

I don't know what the problem is and I wrote most of the K2/K3 back end
code a few years ago.  Since then Bill, G4WJS, has contributed quite a
number of fixes back to Hamlib.  He would be a good contact for help as
I'm not familiar with WSJT-X development nor have I used the program.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  9 18:26:24 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:26:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
In-Reply-To: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
References: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8828CF42-588B-40D9-9E58-8D800823B41C@elecraft.com>

With backlight on, RX current should be roughly 170 to 230 mA (no AF signal) depending on band.

TX current at 5.0 W should be about 1.0-1.4 A in CW/FM/FSK-D modes and 1.4-1.8 A in SSB/AM/PSK-D/DATA-A/AFSK-A modes. Actual current will vary with band and antenna load impedance.

The reason 5.0 W current drain is lower in CW/FM/FSK-D modes is that the KX3 uses its higher-impedance PA transformer winding at this level. The upper limit for use of the high-Z winding is 5.0 W in CW/FM/FSK-D and 3.0 W in all other modes. If you're above the limit for a given mode, the lower-Z winding is used to minimize transmit IMD at higher power levels.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:44 PM, "Reilly, John" <reillyjf at comcast.net> wrote:

> Trying to do some planning for Field Day battery operation. We are planning to use a KX3 at 5w, CW.
> 
> Could someone(s) give me a feeling for RX current draw. I would like this to be with the Backlight ON, and other normally ON functions activated. Likewise, what current draw should we see with key down CW at 5w?
> 
> Thanks,
>  - 73, John, N0TA



From bob at hogbytes.com  Fri Jan  9 18:42:26 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:42:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
In-Reply-To: <8828CF42-588B-40D9-9E58-8D800823B41C@elecraft.com>
References: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
	<8828CF42-588B-40D9-9E58-8D800823B41C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1420846946707-7596953.post@n2.nabble.com>

This simple response to a current requirement question is also a testament to
the amazing design decisions used to make this little gem what it is. 
Designing products for a hobby you are passionate ( and participate)  in
produces amazing products.
Thanks Elecraft



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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Jan  9 19:10:54 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:10:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
In-Reply-To: <8828CF42-588B-40D9-9E58-8D800823B41C@elecraft.com>
References: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
	<8828CF42-588B-40D9-9E58-8D800823B41C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54B06E0E.4080708@socal.rr.com>

Very cleverly done, Wayne:-)

Phil W7OX

On 1/9/15 3:26 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The reason 5.0 W current drain is lower in CW/FM/FSK-D modes is that the KX3 uses its higher-impedance PA transformer winding at this level. The upper limit for use of the high-Z winding is 5.0 W in CW/FM/FSK-D and 3.0 W in all other modes. If you're above the limit for a given mode, the lower-Z winding is used to minimize transmit IMD at higher power levels.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:44 PM, "Reilly, John" <reillyjf at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Trying to do some planning for Field Day battery operation. We are planning to use a KX3 at 5w, CW.
>>
>> Could someone(s) give me a feeling for RX current draw. I would like this to be with the Backlight ON, and other normally ON functions activated. Likewise, what current draw should we see with key down CW at 5w?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   - 73, John, N0TA


From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 19:23:57 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power Consumption
In-Reply-To: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
References: <54B04BAF.1080807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54B0711D.8010007@gmail.com>

Here are some numbers I measured, transmit was with a CW carrier:


	TX Current 	
	
	
	
	
	RX Current 	
Band 	5W* 	10W* 	15W 	20W 	25W 	
	
	With KXPA
60 	1.17A 	2.22A 	
	
	
	
	
	
20 	1.20A 	2.20A 	7.75A 	8.75A 	9.50A 	
	.200A 	.450A
10 	1.40A 	2.50A 	
	
	
	
	
	

	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	

	* add .25A with KXPA on 	
	
	
	
	
	
	


Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 1/9/2015 4:44 PM, Reilly, John wrote:
> Trying to do some planning for Field Day battery operation. We are 
> planning to use a KX3 at 5w, CW.
>
> Could someone(s) give me a feeling for RX current draw. I would like 
> this to be with the Backlight ON, and other normally ON functions 
> activated. Likewise, what current draw should we see with key down CW 
> at 5w?
>
> Thanks,
>   - 73, John, N0TA
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From mcduffie at ag0n.net  Fri Jan  9 19:26:51 2015
From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:26:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hearing Loss
Message-ID: <vcs0batq3qvjar135v90p55mc14jvipvjd@4ax.com>


> FYI, streaming to the Phonak ComPilot does wear the battery down in a few
> hours, you can keep it plugged in to the charger while using it (provided
> you are not moving around, of course!). 

I've mentioned this on at least one other group, but will repeat it here for
those who haven't heard it.

The Phonak TVLink Basestation is VERY useful in my shack.  I suspect the base
station will work with any number of Blue Tooth devices.  I use mine with my
Philips Bluetooth headphones.  Apparently it will act as a headset too, but I
don't want/need that, and I doubt the acoustics will be very good since it has
no boom mic, only a built in mic.

If you think amplification will work for you, without the high frequency
enhancement of your hearing aids, it may work well for the hearing impaired
(works for me).  I use mine for roaming around all over the house, and to a
limited extent, outside.
http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/SHB7000_28/bluetooth-stereo-headset

For those who are not hearing impaired, the fidelity of the Philips unit is
excellent, and goes down to about 40Hz on the low in, 20K plus on the high end.
I can't hear much over 3K, so that doesn't matter to me, but the low end
fidelity is just plain excellent and I love them.  The battery last for hours,
and charges from a USB port.

Gary

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan  9 21:28:22 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 18:28:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Suggestions for improved KX3 configuration of RIT,
	SUB rx and Monitor level
In-Reply-To: <627900265.4097.1420831922427.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
References: <627900265.4097.1420831922427.JavaMail.yahoo@jws11124.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <954584A5-DD48-4C1D-9B8B-809FF4B21D4E@elecraft.com>

Good suggestions, Hans, noted for a future release. Some have been mentioned previously.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 9, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ <oz7bq at yahoo.dk> wrote:

> Hello,After about 2000+ QSOs with my KX3 please allow me to suggest a few items, that may improve the operations. Please bear with me, if I have missed something.
> 1) When the KX3 is switched off with the RIT activated, RIT will be off when the rig is turned on again, even though the RIT symbol is shown in the display. (Minor problem)
> 2) When turning the subreceiver on (with PF2) the OFS symbol is turned on. The VFO-B should be turned on when activating the SUB RX, in order to adjust the RX frequency. (As it is now, you have to push the VFO B knob to activate the VFO, which is an extra operation when entering a pile-up). (Major problem)
> 
> 3) For operating convenience in quiet environments, the lowest monotor level (MON 1) should be reduced 6 - 10 db in order to reduce operator fatigue. This would be particularly helpful in contests using a PC logging and keying tool, where you just want to know what is happening. The Monitor setting on the K2, does this very nicely.
> Tnx for listening, 73 OZ7BQ,  Hans J?rgen.
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan  9 22:07:26 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
In-Reply-To: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>

Roland,

I have never seen that kind of problem.  It does sound like something 
may be corrupt in the EEPROM.
You may want to try resetting the K1 to factory defaults (which wipes 
out your menu settings and replaces them with the stock factory defaults).
Before you do that reset, record all your menu settings so you can 
restore them - but some such as the CAL OPF values will have to be done 
from scratch.

Do know that the sidetone level on the K1 does vary with the setting of 
the AF Gain control, so if you are change the AF Gain during 
transmission, the sidetone level may increase/decrease with the AF 
gain.  Still, a loud sidetone with SL L set to 1 should be very quiet.

If the reset does not correct it, I would first replace Front Panel U2, 
next FP U1, and last FP U3.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/9/2015 9:57 AM, Roland_DF1OE wrote:
> Last Year i built my k1 #3310 - i got one of the last 4-Band filter boards.
> With the k1 i had some fun as TF/DF1OE/p last year in iceland... Just built
> the k1 for this adventure with a tent and backpack.
>
> I ve a little problem - may be it is quite normal, i do not know.
> during sending cw the sidetone is very very loud - louder as it is during
> adjusting  ST_L and much louder than testing it with no cw HF transmission.
>
> During transmission it gets louder after a time. Even if i put ST_L to 1
> (one) i get a loud sidetone during cw hf transmission.
> Any hints are appreciated.
> Roland, df1oe
> df1oe at live.de
>
>   
>
>
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jan  9 23:15:52 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18 at videotron.ca)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 23:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite now has Spectrum cluster
 spots and third party logging abilities.
In-Reply-To: <73a08aee11b4fb.54b0a767@videotron.ca>
References: <7490916711fb83.54b0a53c@videotron.ca>
	<7380d9f711adcc.54b0a579@videotron.ca>
	<7320a4d211deb9.54b0a5b6@videotron.ca>
	<7260aee411d2d0.54b0a5f3@videotron.ca>
	<72e0c66a11fda3.54b0a631@videotron.ca>
	<7330a9f611fceb.54b0a66e@videotron.ca>
	<72508240118f53.54b0a6ab@videotron.ca>
	<73f0b07511e396.54b0a6ea@videotron.ca>
	<7460904211dfd2.54b0a729@videotron.ca>
	<73a08aee11b4fb.54b0a767@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7270bf5c11bddd.54b06128@videotron.ca>

HelloThe latest release of Win4K3 Suite now includes the ability to have cc cluster spots displayed on the spectrum scope. It is possible to display only the spots, or also who the spotter is. Clicking on the spot or double clicking in the waterfall will QSY to the frequency. Spots are presented by color according to your ClubLog filter for New, Verified, Confirmed or Worked band entities. The system used is simple, and not overwhelming even in contest situations.
This release also includes direct logging from the CW - FSK-D - PSK terminal to either an ADIF file, directly to DXLabs DXKeeper, or HRDLogbook. This makes it convenient to use the Elecraft radio's built in decoding for CW, FSK-D and PSK.
The new release is available at?http://va2fsq.com/?page_id=379. There is a free, full featured 30 day trial with no restrictions in it's use.
You can see it in action in Youtube video's here:?https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite


Win4K3Suite operates seamlessly with third party software and hardware including HRD Logbook, DXLabs Commander, N1MM, NAP3, and many more.
783's Tom
va2fsq.com

From df1oe at live.de  Sat Jan 10 02:15:59 2015
From: df1oe at live.de (Roland_DF1OE)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:15:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
In-Reply-To: <54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
References: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1420874159473-7596960.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Don,
i did all the steps Mike suggested to me - some more e.g. resoldering some
suspicious pads. The K1 is still in the workbench. I will start building the
internal atu, but will first fix this issue.

Before resetting the radio i will put a small audio/video file on the
internet, and give you both a note for examining it.
72, 73 Roland, DF1OE



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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 03:12:34 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 18:12:34 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54B0580B.2020903@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
	<54B0580B.2020903@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaHA-NMGSMAcg_xp8AY+Upoa9HKz=3qc1dKajUWTqpEgFA@mail.gmail.com>

I feel miffed Walter....:-)

Yes we do speak English ( proper without an accent)....grin.

VK ticks all the boxes AND we like americans...well kinda...:-)

Oh and we are down on rednecks too....

All the above comments were tongue in cheek ok?

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 10/01/2015 8:37 AM, "Jim Lowman" <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> First, let me thank all of you who generously shared your advice about
> interesting, warm places to spend the holidays and "Be the DX."
>
> I have acknowledged some of your suggestions personally.  I will get to
> the rest of you shortly.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
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From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 04:04:28 2015
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:04:28 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Serial 906 returns...
In-Reply-To: <54AC3BBD.3080302@socal.rr.com>
References: <451C0DED-61B5-4F23-B1FB-2BE3B764C51B@gmail.com>
	<54AC3BBD.3080302@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CABuWoS9R+FLK-B9-hQe06yuJ7E1X_efbecYb_r-JPG-DA2ZaCg@mail.gmail.com>

Over Elecrafted!

Me too with the full K-Line,  a KX3 and my K2, all built from kits.

I just can't part with my K2,  a great nostalgia build yes including
winding all toroids, but one had to go.

Sold my KX3 !

Forgotten just how good the K2 receiver is, amazing and sounds so sweet!

73, Deni - F5VJC

On 6 January 2015 at 20:47, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Incredible, Fred.  I keep thinking I should sell my K2 (#380) -- with all
> options including KDSP2, KPA100 & KAT100, and all updates - even the MAB
> and Mic adapter board -- but each time I consider it the nostalgia sets in:
> Loved building it.  OTOH -- with an all up K3 system and a KX3/PX3 for
> portable, the K2 tends to just sit there.
>
> Guess I'm "Over Elecrafted" :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> p.s. -- And I forgot the KX1 and K1, both 4-band units!
>
> On 1/6/15 11:41 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>
>> Today, I got an opportunity to purchase another K2.  I was told that the
>> guy worked for Motorola and was the original owner (by the guy I got it
>> from).
>> Lo and behold? I got my first and original K2 back.
>>
>> Frank KG9H
>> K2          #906
>> K2/100 #5702
>>
>
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From k9nu at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 10 07:34:23 2015
From: k9nu at mchsi.com (Paul DeFelice)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 06:34:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 FOR SALE
Message-ID: <000001d02cd1$c3b265e0$4b1731a0$@mchsi.com>

K3/0 (not mini) for sale. Includes RRK0CBL cable set. Excellent condition -
nonsmoking environment, $600.00.

Please contact me off the reflector:     k9nu at mchsi.com.

73,

Paul K9NU


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Jan 10 09:20:39 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Use of the K3/0 mini
Message-ID: <54B13537.4010208@nycap.rr.com>

Due to my specific circumstances, having a rig that can be fully 
operated from an easily moveable control face late (control head) is a 
great asset. I use my TS480 a lot, as it has a removable control head 
that can be placed anywhere on my desk. I use a PigKnob on the K3, which 
is a great addition for the purposes, as I have grown more and more fond 
of operating the K-Line over the 480. Now I find I'd like to have 
capabilities similar to the 480 for the K3.

Now the question: Can the K3/0 mini be used as a moveable control head 
(ala TS-480) on the K3? If so, does it require a complicated computer 
interface and equipment? Or, is there a means to connect it directly to 
the K3 with a single line?

The attractiveness of the 480 is the simplicity. Unfortunately, to 
duplicate the K-Line with a display is an ongoing project here. Auto 
tuner and small amplifier for use with the 480 is duck soup simple. 
Please remember this query is not about the 480, except for use as an 
example of the mobility of the faceplate. Not being stupid, I know full 
well which radio does what.

Bill W2BLC

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 10 11:08:06 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 08:08:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Serial 906 returns...
In-Reply-To: <CABuWoS9R+FLK-B9-hQe06yuJ7E1X_efbecYb_r-JPG-DA2ZaCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <451C0DED-61B5-4F23-B1FB-2BE3B764C51B@gmail.com>	<54AC3BBD.3080302@socal.rr.com>
	<CABuWoS9R+FLK-B9-hQe06yuJ7E1X_efbecYb_r-JPG-DA2ZaCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B14E66.2080309@socal.rr.com>

That would be tough for me, Deni: I've become too 
"panadapter-addicted" :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/10/15 1:04 AM, F5vjc wrote:
> Over Elecrafted!
>
> Me too with the full K-Line,  a KX3 and my K2, 
> all built from kits.
>
> I just can't part with my K2,  a great nostalgia 
> build yes including winding all toroids, but one 
> had to go.
>
> Sold my KX3 !
>
> Forgotten just how good the K2 receiver is, 
> amazing and sounds so sweet!
>
> 73, Deni - F5VJC
>
> On 6 January 2015 at 20:47, Phil Wheeler 
> <w7ox at socal.rr.com <mailto:w7ox at socal.rr.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Incredible, Fred.  I keep thinking I should
>     sell my K2 (#380) -- with all options
>     including KDSP2, KPA100 & KAT100, and all
>     updates - even the MAB and Mic adapter board
>     -- but each time I consider it the nostalgia
>     sets in: Loved building it.  OTOH -- with an
>     all up K3 system and a KX3/PX3 for portable,
>     the K2 tends to just sit there.
>
>     Guess I'm "Over Elecrafted" :-)
>
>     73, Phil W7OX
>
>     p.s. -- And I forgot the KX1 and K1, both
>     4-band units!
>
>     On 1/6/15 11:41 AM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>
>         Today, I got an opportunity to purchase
>         another K2.  I was told that the guy
>         worked for Motorola and was the original
>         owner (by the guy I got it from).
>         Lo and behold? I got my first and
>         original K2 back.
>
>         Frank KG9H
>         K2          #906
>         K2/100 #5702
>


From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 10 11:09:30 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:09:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K1 es 4B
Message-ID: <COL127-W46CD79D284D9B29F7F5A8BD0450@phx.gbl>

A friend is crying the woeful blues.... 
He had a 6 band K1, with a 4 band mod... worked great.
He had to try something else... now... regrets that.. (don't we all, when we do this)
result?
He is looking for a K1 maybe with a tuner, 2 band, or 4 band mod. 
He is also looking for a 4 band module to go with the K2, if it doesn't come with.

Please respond to me, or redenkirch_llc at msn.com
Thank you,

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
 		 	   		  

From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 10 11:20:55 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:20:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K1 es 4B
In-Reply-To: <COL127-W46CD79D284D9B29F7F5A8BD0450@phx.gbl>
References: <COL127-W46CD79D284D9B29F7F5A8BD0450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL127-W4430AD307877F66353E7DED0450@phx.gbl>


Not enough coffee... 
got Jim's email address wrong.. 

email him at K9JWV - QRZ.com has the address.
Thank you,
Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


From: daleputnam at hotmail.com
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: WTB K1 es 4B
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:09:30 -0700




A friend is crying the woeful blues.... 
He had a 6 band K1, with a 4 band mod... worked great.
He had to try something else... now... regrets that.. (don't we all, when we do this)
result?
He is looking for a K1 maybe with a tuner, 2 band, or 4 band mod. 
He is also looking for a 4 band module to go with the K2, if it doesn't come with.

Please respond to me, or redenkirch_llc at msn.com
Thank you,

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
 		 	   		   		 	   		  

From eseeliger at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 10 13:11:13 2015
From: eseeliger at earthlink.net (Edward Seeliger)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 12:11:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3 audio
Message-ID: <5465612.1420913473612.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Good afternoon.
Brandon helped me get my K3/P3/K3 Mini remote working yesterday.
How do I manage (control/mute/adjust) the audio coming from the remotely controlled K3 when using the K3/0 Mini?? Currently, turning the volume control on the K3/0 Mini overrides the volume control setting on the remote K3.
Thanks!  Edd - KD5M

From phils at riousa.com  Sat Jan 10 20:11:12 2015
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:11:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <FED233D2-2A3E-4D0D-8816-BC0CCC5D0927@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net is tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be net control from Oregon.  See you there.

73,
Phil, NS7P

From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 20:57:10 2015
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 18:57:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:P3
In-Reply-To: <1420697236364-7596906.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420697236364-7596906.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1420941430408-7596970.post@n2.nabble.com>

John_N1JM wrote
> $625 shipped. No SVGA board.CONUS only.

Still available. 



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P3 #1752
KPA500 #596
XG3
XG1


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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jan 10 23:45:54 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <54B20002.6030709@coho.net>

Good Evening,
    Please join us tomorrow.

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

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From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com  Sun Jan 11 06:19:36 2015
From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 04:19:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tascam US-122MKII $44.95 today only
Message-ID: <1380CDA1-314A-453F-AEC5-6AD36DE4E4D4@gmx.com>

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/dealZone.jsp <http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/dealZone.jsp>

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ


From evert at pa2kw.com  Sun Jan 11 07:19:13 2015
From: evert at pa2kw.com (Evert Bakker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:19:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
Message-ID: <000401d02d98$cfd3fd80$6f7bf880$@pa2kw.com>

Hello,

 

Haven been using my K3 in combi with the Microham MK2 for several years
without problems.

This morning, the sound from the DVK (in the MK2) doesn't seem to get
through to the K3.

 

Using my normal mic (from headset) also through the MK2, and that works.

When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the bars
(on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no output.

I have had this problem  a couple of month ago as well, and I remember I
found it after spending quite some time.

Unfortunately I can't recall the solution anymore. Tried several things, but
I guess I need a hint now.

 

Did not change any settings (as far as I know).

 

Any suggestion?

 

73's, Evert PA2KW


From kb2m at arrl.net  Sun Jan 11 08:23:34 2015
From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 08:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remote, panadapter display at control site
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I know several people are working on getting the IF from the remote K3 to
the K3/0 control site. Has anyone got this working, and would like to share
their method with the group? Is it possible for Elecraft to add forwarding
of the IF with a mod to the existing hardware? I sorely miss my panadapter
display when operating remote...

73 Jeff kb2m 



From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 11 08:58:21 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 08:58:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remote, panadapter display at control site
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Jeff,

I have heard of some who are using a webcam at the remote site to view 
the P3.

I am not certain how you would pass any RF signal (and the IF output is 
RF at 8 MHz) from the remote to the control site without using a direct 
coax run.

I guess it *might* be possible to transmit the internal digital 
information that represents the P3 display over the communications link 
between the remote site and the control site, but I know of no current 
hardware to do that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/11/2015 8:23 AM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote:
> I know several people are working on getting the IF from the remote K3 to
> the K3/0 control site. Has anyone got this working, and would like to share
> their method with the group? Is it possible for Elecraft to add forwarding
> of the IF with a mod to the existing hardware? I sorely miss my panadapter
> display when operating remote...
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 11 09:59:34 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
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References: <000401d02d98$cfd3fd80$6f7bf880$@pa2kw.com>
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> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the
> bars (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no
> output.

Check the sound card selected for TX in Router's DVK tab.  If that is
not "Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" the audio will not reach MK II
for playback.  If that is correct, open the Windows Sound Mixer for
"Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" and check both the "Headset
Earphone" level and the level for "microHAM USB Device Router" when
you play a DVK message.  Finally, open Windows Control Panel | Playback
Headset Earphone -> Levels and check the balance (should be equal or
all left).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-11 7:19 AM, Evert Bakker wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Haven been using my K3 in combi with the Microham MK2 for several years
> without problems.
>
> This morning, the sound from the DVK (in the MK2) doesn't seem to get
> through to the K3.
>
>
>
> Using my normal mic (from headset) also through the MK2, and that works.
>
> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the bars
> (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no output.
>
> I have had this problem  a couple of month ago as well, and I remember I
> found it after spending quite some time.
>
> Unfortunately I can't recall the solution anymore. Tried several things, but
> I guess I need a hint now.
>
>
>
> Did not change any settings (as far as I know).
>
>
>
> Any suggestion?
>
>
>
> 73's, Evert PA2KW
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sun Jan 11 10:21:32 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remote, panadapter display at control site
Message-ID: <0NI000I7CQNXLM20@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi
If you have a pc with a spare pcie slot at the remote site you can use the avermedia hd game broadcaster with the p3 svga. It comes with streaming software. 
Tom 
Tom

On Jan 11, 2015 8:58 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff, 
>
> I have heard of some who are using a webcam at the remote site to view 
> the P3. 
>
> I am not certain how you would pass any RF signal (and the IF output is 
> RF at 8 MHz) from the remote to the control site without using a direct 
> coax run. 
>
> I guess it *might* be possible to transmit the internal digital 
> information that represents the P3 display over the communications link 
> between the remote site and the control site, but I know of no current 
> hardware to do that. 
>
> 73, 
> Don W3FPR 
>
> On 1/11/2015 8:23 AM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote: 
> > I know several people are working on getting the IF from the remote K3 to 
> > the K3/0 control site. Has anyone got this working, and would like to share 
> > their method with the group? Is it possible for Elecraft to add forwarding 
> > of the IF with a mod to the existing hardware? I sorely miss my panadapter 
> > display when operating remote... 
> > 
> > 73 Jeff kb2m 
> > 
> > 
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From evert at pa2kw.com  Sun Jan 11 11:53:56 2015
From: evert at pa2kw.com (Evert Bakker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 17:53:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
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	<54B28FD6.1030707@subich.com>
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Thanks Joe for helping me out.

Soundcard selected for TX in Router's DVK tab was  "microHAM CODEC" .
On the tab "audio mixer", the  LED's next to "TX VOICE/DIGITAL" were not
green.
On that same tab I changed the device from "microHAM CODEC" to "none" and
back again.
After that all seem to work.

I forgot to say in the first message that the "Test signal" button did work
(K3 > TX and modulating so giving output) 
I remember trying to  click the LED's next to "TX VOICE/DIGITAL" as they
were not green.

Thanks again.

73's, Evert PA2KW



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Joe Subich,
W4TV
Verzonden: zondag 11 januari 2015 16:00
Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII


> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the 
> bars (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no 
> output.

Check the sound card selected for TX in Router's DVK tab.  If that is not
"Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" the audio will not reach MK II for
playback.  If that is correct, open the Windows Sound Mixer for "Headset
Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" and check both the "Headset Earphone" level and
the level for "microHAM USB Device Router" when you play a DVK message.
Finally, open Windows Control Panel | Playback Headset Earphone -> Levels
and check the balance (should be equal or all left).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-11 7:19 AM, Evert Bakker wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> Haven been using my K3 in combi with the Microham MK2 for several 
> years without problems.
>
> This morning, the sound from the DVK (in the MK2) doesn't seem to get 
> through to the K3.
>
>
>
> Using my normal mic (from headset) also through the MK2, and that works.
>
> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the 
> bars (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no
output.
>
> I have had this problem  a couple of month ago as well, and I remember 
> I found it after spending quite some time.
>
> Unfortunately I can't recall the solution anymore. Tried several 
> things, but I guess I need a hint now.
>
>
>
> Did not change any settings (as far as I know).
>
>
>
> Any suggestion?
>
>
>
> 73's, Evert PA2KW
>
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From df1oe at live.de  Sun Jan 11 12:11:44 2015
From: df1oe at live.de (Roland_DF1OE)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:11:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
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Hi Don,

finally i did the reset of the radio and all the alignment procedures again.
I managed to get the loudness of the sidetone ok (but i am still thinking
one oft he T/ R diodes openes slowly ), but as a result now i have a strong
"burst" at every tone (only if hf is on). Even if the sidetone is off and hf
is produced the burst is heard - it grows loude with the af gain, so it is
produced before the AF amplifier - hope so. 

 

You can see/hear it in this little video: 

 

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF8BAC7649FCD9B!856
<https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=FBF8BAC7649FCD9B!856&authkey=!AJAxQrX
x4ZPblzA&ithint=video%2cMOV> &authkey=!AJAxQrXx4ZPblzA&ithint=video%2cMOV

 

The burst is vy loud and a pain even in the headphones - so i keep on
searching. and will look on the frontpanel U2 and so on.

Vy 73 Roland, DF1OE

 

Von: Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7596958h13 at n2.nabble.com] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Januar 2015 04:08
An: Roland_DF1OE
Betreff: Re: K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?

 

Roland, 

I have never seen that kind of problem.  It does sound like something 
may be corrupt in the EEPROM. 
You may want to try resetting the K1 to factory defaults (which wipes 
out your menu settings and replaces them with the stock factory defaults). 
Before you do that reset, record all your menu settings so you can 
restore them - but some such as the CAL OPF values will have to be done 
from scratch. 

Do know that the sidetone level on the K1 does vary with the setting of 
the AF Gain control, so if you are change the AF Gain during 
transmission, the sidetone level may increase/decrease with the AF 
gain.  Still, a loud sidetone with SL L set to 1 should be very quiet. 

If the reset does not correct it, I would first replace Front Panel U2, 
next FP U1, and last FP U3. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 


On 1/9/2015 9:57 AM, Roland_DF1OE wrote: 


> Last Year i built my k1 #3310 - i got one of the last 4-Band filter
boards. 
> With the k1 i had some fun as TF/DF1OE/p last year in iceland... Just
built 
> the k1 for this adventure with a tent and backpack. 
> 
> I ve a little problem - may be it is quite normal, i do not know. 
> during sending cw the sidetone is very very loud - louder as it is during 
> adjusting  ST_L and much louder than testing it with no cw HF
transmission. 
> 
> During transmission it gets louder after a time. Even if i put ST_L to 1 
> (one) i get a loud sidetone during cw hf transmission. 
> Any hints are appreciated. 
> Roland, df1oe 
> [hidden email] 
> 
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From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Sun Jan 11 12:30:08 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Searching for a K1
Message-ID: <SNT148-W23FFC71A9B500EAD2E0090F0420@phx.gbl>

Anyone have a used K1 for sale? One with a four band module would be ideal...please reply off list to Rodenkirch_llc at msn.com
 
72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
 
 		 	   		  

From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 11 12:38:59 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 12:38:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
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 > On the tab "audio mixer",

Ugh, you're using Windows XP which is a total wildcard dealing with
audio.  Any other application in the computer can cause problems
for the DVK.

> On that same tab I changed the device from "microHAM CODEC" to "none"
> and back again.

Windows XP allows any application to hijack the sound card settings.
You "grabbed" control back by reselecting the sound card.

Windows XP is unsuported by Microsoft and microHAM no longer provides
direct support for its software on XP.  I strongly recommend upgrading
to Windows 7 at a minimum.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-11 11:53 AM, Evert Bakker wrote:
> Thanks Joe for helping me out.
>
> Soundcard selected for TX in Router's DVK tab was  "microHAM CODEC" .
> On the tab "audio mixer", the  LED's next to "TX VOICE/DIGITAL" were not
> green.
> On that same tab I changed the device from "microHAM CODEC" to "none" and
> back again.
> After that all seem to work.
>
> I forgot to say in the first message that the "Test signal" button did work
> (K3 > TX and modulating so giving output)
> I remember trying to  click the LED's next to "TX VOICE/DIGITAL" as they
> were not green.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> 73's, Evert PA2KW
>
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Namens Joe Subich,
> W4TV
> Verzonden: zondag 11 januari 2015 16:00
> Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
>
>
>> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the
>> bars (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no
>> output.
>
> Check the sound card selected for TX in Router's DVK tab.  If that is not
> "Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" the audio will not reach MK II for
> playback.  If that is correct, open the Windows Sound Mixer for "Headset
> Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" and check both the "Headset Earphone" level and
> the level for "microHAM USB Device Router" when you play a DVK message.
> Finally, open Windows Control Panel | Playback Headset Earphone -> Levels
> and check the balance (should be equal or all left).
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2015-01-11 7:19 AM, Evert Bakker wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> Haven been using my K3 in combi with the Microham MK2 for several
>> years without problems.
>>
>> This morning, the sound from the DVK (in the MK2) doesn't seem to get
>> through to the K3.
>>
>>
>>
>> Using my normal mic (from headset) also through the MK2, and that works.
>>
>> When playing the DVK message, the K3 comes into TX, the MK2 shows the
>> bars (on the display and in the software of the MK2) moving, but no
> output.
>>
>> I have had this problem  a couple of month ago as well, and I remember
>> I found it after spending quite some time.
>>
>> Unfortunately I can't recall the solution anymore. Tried several
>> things, but I guess I need a hint now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Did not change any settings (as far as I know).
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestion?
>>
>>
>>
>> 73's, Evert PA2KW
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jan 11 13:21:35 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:21:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Need a few testers for new K3 firmware, rev. 5.03
Message-ID: <BB77786E-DA0A-405C-8EDF-DCE1BCCE2971@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

The latest K3 field-test firmware has just one new feature, one that will only rarely come into play: overdrive protection at the KPA3's input. 

The efficiency of any power amplifier stage will be reduced if operated into certain reactive loads, and/or with reduced power supply voltage. In the case of the KPA3, this will normally be determined by the K3's transmit current drain, temperature, and reflected power measurements, allowing the transceiver to quickly reduce power output to a safe level. This will protect the KPA3 even in the presence of an open load or a dead short.

The latest firmware provides an additional margin of safety by putting an upper limit on drive power into the PA stage. Those who use the K3 in the field, especially with ad-hoc antennas or 12-V batteries, would be the most likely beneficiaries. For example, when the operator requests maximum power but is running from a somewhat depleted battery, the drive limit might be reached prior to other limits. This would reduce power output, automatically conserving battery power while keep amplifier efficiency high.

You'll need a 50-W-capable dummy load to test this new firmware. The maximum drive allowed is based on data obtained during per-band 50-W TX GAIN calibration, which must be redone after updating to rev. 5.03.

Please email me directly if you can test this new firmware today or early tomorrow. We'd like to go to beta very early next week.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 11 13:30:01 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (alan geller via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with High Current issues
Message-ID: <1743324206.556923.1421001001282.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106132.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

What is causing my my seemingly odd occurrence of a low SWR and a high current shutdown on my K3 ? It just happened this morning and is very worrisome.
Freq:? 14.055SWR:? 1.3:1Antenna:? OCF dipoleSending Dits: Random Hi Curr warning for 45 sec and then a shutdownSending Dahs: Random Hi Curr warning for 10 sec and then a shutdownPower Supply: Gamma HPS-1aOther indications: dimming of backlight synched with XMIT approx 5 sec prior to shutdown
Thanks for any help...this is a new issue
Alan....K6ADG

From w6jhb at me.com  Sun Jan 11 13:45:11 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:45:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with High Current issues
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Message-ID: <69F9E3F8-81CD-4586-8397-55DF28897202@me.com>

What is your K3 showing as the voltage when you change the DISP to read that instead of VFO-B frequency? Low voltage would cause the current to increase to keep the power where you set it.

> On   Sunday, Jan 11, 2015, at  Sunday, 10:30 AM, alan geller via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> What is causing my my seemingly odd occurrence of a low SWR and a high current shutdown on my K3 ? It just happened this morning and is very worrisome.
> Freq:  14.055SWR:  1.3:1Antenna:  OCF dipoleSending Dits: Random Hi Curr warning for 45 sec and then a shutdownSending Dahs: Random Hi Curr warning for 10 sec and then a shutdownPower Supply: Gamma HPS-1aOther indications: dimming of backlight synched with XMIT approx 5 sec prior to shutdown
> Thanks for any help...this is a new issue
> Alan....K6ADG
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 11 14:04:59 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:04:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Tascam US-122MKII $44.95 today only
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Too late. Ad says all sold out.
Fred, AE6QL

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Subject: [Elecraft] Tascam US-122MKII $44.95 today only

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/dealZone.jsp
<http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/dealZone.jsp>

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ

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From idarack at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 14:29:00 2015
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 14:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2 Meter Module SWR tolerance
Message-ID: <CAGC7P26ZGhv8E+0Vd2Ui8C2YT+ahy-NPZDxg00t+Ln=BFauZLg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone determined the SWR tolerance to the KX3 2 Meter module before
folding back or giving a high SWR error.  I am wondering when in the FM
mode, it will work with common Dual band mag mount antennas?

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB


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From jock.irvine at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 15:15:22 2015
From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2 Meter Module SWR tolerance
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P26ZGhv8E+0Vd2Ui8C2YT+ahy-NPZDxg00t+Ln=BFauZLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P26ZGhv8E+0Vd2Ui8C2YT+ahy-NPZDxg00t+Ln=BFauZLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA207ED1-E792-446A-A6D0-12D86329821E@gmail.com>

I've been using mine with an MFJ micro mag mount dual bander to access the local repeaters with no problems. 

Jock, N1JI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone determined the SWR tolerance to the KX3 2 Meter module before
> folding back or giving a high SWR error.  I am wondering when in the FM
> mode, it will work with common Dual band mag mount antennas?
> 
> Thanks, Irwin KD3TB
> 
> 
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From evert at pa2kw.com  Sun Jan 11 16:01:10 2015
From: evert at pa2kw.com (Evert Bakker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:01:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - MKII
In-Reply-To: <54B2B533.1090401@subich.com>
References: <000401d02d98$cfd3fd80$6f7bf880$@pa2kw.com>
	<54B28FD6.1030707@subich.com>
	<000901d02dbf$30ad1f80$92075e80$@pa2kw.com>
	<54B2B533.1090401@subich.com>
Message-ID: <000001d02de1$ba65ce30$2f316a90$@pa2kw.com>

Hi Joe,

 -- Any other application in the computer can cause problems for the DVK --

My best guess it was WSJT (I have been running meteorscatter on 3/4 jan)

-- You "grabbed" control back by reselecting the sound card. --

I guess that was the story!

Windows........

I'm addicted to homebrewing and DX-ing, not to MS $$$ versions.
If I buy a new system, I will get  the next generation of MS possibilities and problems.

Anyway, I do appreciate the help of an expert! Thanks.

73's, Evert PA2KW



From pirey4 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 16:32:53 2015
From: pirey4 at gmail.com (pirey4)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 14:32:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 and KX3 questions related to learning CW
Message-ID: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm finally learning CW using my KX3 with the KXPD3.  

I adjusted the paddles a number of times but it seemed like the left paddle
would periodically miss a dit.  Sometimes I could hit the left paddle
several times with no response. I found a post from KE7X which said that he
changed the orientation of the pivot pins
(http://www.ke7x.com/home/miscellaneous-k3-information/kxpd3-paddle-intermittant). 
When I opened my KXPD3, the left paddle had the necked down end of the pivot
pin facing down and right paddle had the necked down end of the pivot pin
facing up.  Following KE7X's suggestion, I reversed the direction of the
left pivot pin (so that the neck down end is facing up).  Since I had the
unit apart, I also changed to the firm spring.  The changes made have
significantly improved (if not totally fixed) the problem.  Figure 5 on page
4 of the KXPD3 manual shows the non-necked-down end of the pivot pin facing
up.  Is there a correct orientation of for pivot pins or should it not
matter which way they are inserted?

I've also seen posts about adding a grounding jumper wire to the side screws
(http://wv0h.blogspot.com/2013/09/kxpd3-mod.html).  Is this necessary?

Is there a setting that will keep the decoded text on the VFO B display? 
When I finish keying, I like to look to see if I made any mistakes.  The VFO
B display often switches back to the VFO B frequency before I have a chance
to finish reading the text.

I'm practicing sending in a location outside my shack so I don't have an
antenna connected.  I have the output power set to 0 watts.  Sometimes when
I try to turn off the KX3 I don't hit the "Band -" and "ATU TUNE" button at
exactly the same time and it tries to tune with no antenna.  Will this hurt
the KX3 since it changes the output power to 3 watts when it is tuning and
appears to exercise all the relays inside?

If so, is there a setting to use a power on/off button combo that doesn't
use the "ATU TUNE" button?

The fact that I sometimes have trouble pressing the on/off button sequence
within the allotted time window is probably indicative of a lack of
coordination on my part.  This could be related to the intermittent dit as
well.  

Thanks,

phil K4PMI



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From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Sun Jan 11 16:53:32 2015
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 13:53:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Visalia
Message-ID: <DBA09AC1-7C4B-4A0A-8DBF-18C5768E0E31@mac.com>

A Elecraft K-Line is the grand prize at the Visalia DX Convention in April.

http://www.dxconvention.com

The annual Top Band Dinner at the convention will be on Friday, April 17, 2015. Details and reservation information is available here:

http://topbanddinner.jimdo.com

73 - Steve WB6RSE

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 11 17:29:23 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (alan geller via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:29:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with High Current issues
In-Reply-To: <69F9E3F8-81CD-4586-8397-55DF28897202@me.com>
References: <69F9E3F8-81CD-4586-8397-55DF28897202@me.com>
Message-ID: <73991051.615067.1421015363975.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10641.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Well, as soon as I sent my SOS, I realized I was telling all, I was too lazy to switch to a beefier power supply to figure that out. Our course, your suggestion solved that issue so I am getting double slow on the neuron pathways.The voltage went from 13.5 V to 9.5V on the 6th (set for 20WPM) dash and shutdown is around 9.2 V.Soo, my conclusion has to be that the SuperCaps in my trusty small/expensive power supply are getting tired.I just this minute read a review of the HPS by Phil Salas ? AD5X, and he got a 2V drop at 10 WPM, so my unit seems to be out of spec and that is a "different" issue for this generally useful product.Thank you all for your quick response.......Happy 2015
Alan....K6ADG
 

     On Sunday, January 11, 2015 10:45 AM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
   
 

 What is your K3 showing as the voltage when you change the DISP to read that instead of VFO-B frequency? Low voltage would cause the current to increase to keep the power where you set it.

> On? Sunday, Jan 11, 2015, at? Sunday, 10:30 AM, alan geller via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> What is causing my my seemingly odd occurrence of a low SWR and a high current shutdown on my K3 ? It just happened this morning and is very worrisome.
> Freq:? 14.055SWR:? 1.3:1Antenna:? OCF dipoleSending Dits: Random Hi Curr warning for 45 sec and then a shutdownSending Dahs: Random Hi Curr warning for 10 sec and then a shutdownPower Supply: Gamma HPS-1aOther indications: dimming of backlight synched with XMIT approx 5 sec prior to shutdown
> Thanks for any help...this is a new issue
> Alan....K6ADG


 
   

From ockmrzr at verizon.net  Sun Jan 11 17:44:11 2015
From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 17:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Visalia
In-Reply-To: <DBA09AC1-7C4B-4A0A-8DBF-18C5768E0E31@mac.com>
References: <DBA09AC1-7C4B-4A0A-8DBF-18C5768E0E31@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005001d02df0$1e3f72e0$5abe58a0$@verizon.net>

I'll be at both!  I could use another K3... :)

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD

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Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 16:54
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] Visalia

A Elecraft K-Line is the grand prize at the Visalia DX Convention in April.

http://www.dxconvention.com

The annual Top Band Dinner at the convention will be on Friday, April 17,
2015. Details and reservation information is available here:

http://topbanddinner.jimdo.com

73 - Steve WB6RSE
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Sun Jan 11 18:17:22 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:17:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 and KX3 questions related to learning CW
In-Reply-To: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1421018242181-7596993.post@n2.nabble.com>

You van use the KX3 utility to see past text decode,  To be safe you can
connect the  ant to a small dummy load . 



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From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Sun Jan 11 18:22:25 2015
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 15:22:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Visalia
In-Reply-To: <005001d02df0$1e3f72e0$5abe58a0$@verizon.net>
References: <DBA09AC1-7C4B-4A0A-8DBF-18C5768E0E31@mac.com>
	<005001d02df0$1e3f72e0$5abe58a0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <12AAAAEF-9D1F-4F84-96CA-8B90C04D0DB0@mac.com>

When the P3 first came out, Elecraft gave me one as a door prize. The winner, a K3 owner, could not stop smiling.

The ratio of diners to prizes at the TBD is about 3 to 1.

GL! - Steve WB6RSE


On Jan 11, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Bruce & Gab <ockmrzr at verizon.net> wrote:

I'll be at both!  I could use another K3... :)

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD


From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jan 11 19:05:15 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:05:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 and KX3 questions related to learning CW
In-Reply-To: <1421018242181-7596993.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1421018242181-7596993.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7D213A63-B8AB-45B8-B17C-1187866EDE2A@elecraft.com>

To use the Utility for transmitted CW, you may want to use the KX3 Utility command tester page, and enter TT1; to turn on text to terminal mode.  Enter TT0; when you complete your practice session.

73 de Dick, K6KR

> On Jan 11, 2015, at 15:17, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:
> 
> You van use the KX3 utility to see past text decode,  To be safe you can
> connect the  ant to a small dummy load . 
> 
> 
> 
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Sun Jan 11 20:18:50 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:18:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 and KX3 questions related to learning CW
In-Reply-To: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Thank you Dick.
Got the dinner call and forgot to add that detail.




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From phystad at mac.com  Sun Jan 11 20:33:28 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 17:33:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty KX3 rack thingy...
Message-ID: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>

Does anyone need that Nifty KX3 rack holder thing.  Just looked it up.  Nifty calls it a KX3 Desk Stand, listed for $24.95 each.  Shipping that Nifty charges to my zip code is $11.72.

I have one for sale.  Price is right:  FREE.  Well, your only cost is shipping cost and by shipping I mean the postage it takes to send it.  I would probably send it via US Mail.  I think I can do that with the box I have.

So, if you would like this I will send to you for the price of shipping.  Box and packing material is free of charge.  No user guide but then none is needed.

If this is something you want, let me know and we will finish up details out-of-band of Elecraft forum.

If I had to guess, shipping would be anywhere from maybe $8 to $13 but I really don?t know the shipping until after I know the destination.  Prefer CONUS shipping addresses.

Selling because I never use the KX3 on the desk top anymore (portable ops primarily) and in those situations that I do use it, I don?t really need the stand.  And, I hate to throw it away in case someone wants it.

For payment, I will accept a Starbuck?s Coffee giftcard loaded with the whole number dollars of shipping cost.  Thus, if shipping is $9.62, I will take a gift card with $9 on it.  

73, phil, K7PEH



From david_okay at msn.com  Sun Jan 11 20:48:52 2015
From: david_okay at msn.com (David Patton)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:48:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Clifton Laboratories Z10000-K2 panadapter output kit
In-Reply-To: <SNT152-W638E50336DF90B13CC115BF8580@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT152-W4782D7AD3BD1E1BFA8D6B2F8580@phx.gbl>,
	<SNT152-W638E50336DF90B13CC115BF8580@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT152-W25C8EA453ABBF2A40E81FCF8430@phx.gbl>

Hi Everyone,The Z1000-K2 kit is sold.73,David, KG0EW

From: david_okay at msn.com
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Clifton Laboratories Z10000-K2 panadapter output kit
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:13:30 -0700




Clifton Laboratories Z10000-K2 panadapter output kit, designed for the Elecraft K2. Includes parts for tapping an IF signal from the K2, along with a SoftRock receiver to take the IF and convert to an audio signal for use with a computer with SDR software to generate a panadapter display. Includes optional SMA to BNC jumper cable. For more information, go to: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/Documents/Z10000%20Buffer%20Amplifier%20Assembly%20&%20Operation.pdf. 
The kit is unopened, and includes the Clifton Lab buffer amplifier kit, a 4.915 MHz Softrock Receiver, and SMA to BNC cable.
PRICE IS $50 Plus Shipping
kg0ew at arrl.net
 		 	   		   		 	   		   		 	   		  

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 11 20:59:50 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 20:59:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
In-Reply-To: <DUB407-EAS962368E1B0D5B0DC782652FA420@phx.gbl>
References: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>	<54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
	<DUB407-EAS962368E1B0D5B0DC782652FA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54B32A96.3020402@embarqmail.com>

Roland,

Your suspicion about the T/R switch *may* be correct, but before you 
make any changes, check the menu for the T-R setting.  The default is 50 
ms.  If you are using a small value, the receiver may be unmuting 
quickly enough that you actually hear a bit of the residual RF.

I was not able to view your video - OneDrive just keeps 'spinning its 
wheels' as if it is loading, but I waited for over 5 minutes (two times) 
and it still did not load.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/11/2015 12:11 PM, Roland_DF1OE wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> finally i did the reset of the radio and all the alignment procedures again.
> I managed to get the loudness of the sidetone ok (but i am still thinking
> one oft he T/ R diodes openes slowly ), but as a result now i have a strong
> "burst" at every tone (only if hf is on). Even if the sidetone is off and hf
> is produced the burst is heard - it grows loude with the af gain, so it is
> produced before the AF amplifier - hope so.
>
>   
>


From phystad at mac.com  Sun Jan 11 21:13:18 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:13:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty KX3 rack thingy...
In-Reply-To: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>
References: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAECC90C-41D0-4F4C-9443-A73454636BED@mac.com>

To those who have written to me on-line and off-line (from Elecraft),

The KX3 stand has been traded for roughly 4 grande sized cups of bold drip coffee.

73, phil



> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone need that Nifty KX3 rack holder thing.  Just looked it up.  Nifty calls it a KX3 Desk Stand, listed for $24.95 each.  Shipping that Nifty charges to my zip code is $11.72.
> 
> I have one for sale.  Price is right:  FREE.  Well, your only cost is shipping cost and by shipping I mean the postage it takes to send it.  I would probably send it via US Mail.  I think I can do that with the box I have.
> 
> So, if you would like this I will send to you for the price of shipping.  Box and packing material is free of charge.  No user guide but then none is needed.
> 
> If this is something you want, let me know and we will finish up details out-of-band of Elecraft forum.
> 
> If I had to guess, shipping would be anywhere from maybe $8 to $13 but I really don?t know the shipping until after I know the destination.  Prefer CONUS shipping addresses.
> 
> Selling because I never use the KX3 on the desk top anymore (portable ops primarily) and in those situations that I do use it, I don?t really need the stand.  And, I hate to throw it away in case someone wants it.
> 
> For payment, I will accept a Starbuck?s Coffee giftcard loaded with the whole number dollars of shipping cost.  Thus, if shipping is $9.62, I will take a gift card with $9 on it.  
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 11 21:31:28 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:31:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty KX3 rack thingy...
In-Reply-To: <BAECC90C-41D0-4F4C-9443-A73454636BED@mac.com>
References: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <54B33200.7050701@socal.rr.com>

Don't drink them all at one sitting, Phil ;-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/11/15 6:13 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> To those who have written to me on-line and off-line (from Elecraft),
>
> The KX3 stand has been traded for roughly 4 grande sized cups of bold drip coffee.
>
> 73, phil
>
>
>
>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:33 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone need that Nifty KX3 rack holder thing.  Just looked it up.  Nifty calls it a KX3 Desk Stand, listed for $24.95 each.  Shipping that Nifty charges to my zip code is $11.72.
>>
>> I have one for sale.  Price is right:  FREE.  Well, your only cost is shipping cost and by shipping I mean the postage it takes to send it.  I would probably send it via US Mail.  I think I can do that with the box I have.
>>
>> So, if you would like this I will send to you for the price of shipping.  Box and packing material is free of charge.  No user guide but then none is needed.
>>
>> If this is something you want, let me know and we will finish up details out-of-band of Elecraft forum.
>>
>> If I had to guess, shipping would be anywhere from maybe $8 to $13 but I really don?t know the shipping until after I know the destination.  Prefer CONUS shipping addresses.
>>
>> Selling because I never use the KX3 on the desk top anymore (portable ops primarily) and in those situations that I do use it, I don?t really need the stand.  And, I hate to throw it away in case someone wants it.
>>
>> For payment, I will accept a Starbuck?s Coffee giftcard loaded with the whole number dollars of shipping cost.  Thus, if shipping is $9.62, I will take a gift card with $9 on it.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 21:43:16 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 21:43:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with High Current issues
In-Reply-To: <73991051.615067.1421015363975.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10641.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <69F9E3F8-81CD-4586-8397-55DF28897202@me.com>
	<73991051.615067.1421015363975.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10641.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc19WgZsHS9a8yR9Weyj1U2=pwNTcD0nuUoC1W49HtgRZQ@mail.gmail.com>

An HPS-1a with the K3 on CW is a stretch. The HPS-1a only works well with
100w with fairly limited duty cycle transmissions and even then doing
tune-ups needs to be at about 20 watts or so. I was really interested in
the HPS-1a idea some years back for portable use, but had to give it up.
There were some number of verbal rebuffs on the idea among the experienced
at Potomac Valley Radio Club meetings (contesters). This goes along with
negative (for contest use) reviews at EHam at
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5784  Among other things, they reported
that DXpeditions, with their tireless duty cycle, burned up HPS-1a's.

To be robust, a K3 should be powered by a power supply capable of 30 amps
continuous without sagging. Running on the cheep has various problems
around the edges. You can use an HPS situationally, but don't look for
anything beyond its true limits. Running compression will increase the
current draw. The additional power is the point of compression. CW CQ's
running with interspersed QSO's need to be planned with a 40% to 50% duty
cycle.

My RV with it's 65 amp inverter supplying the 13.8 volt DC battery rails is
just good enough to additionally supply a pair of K3's direct from 13.8 DC
rails in a CW field day setting without running down the batteries. The
batteries are a pair of huge T105 6 volt golf cart batteries in series. A
pair of K3's running draw way more than lights and other miscellaneous DC
supplied devices on the RV's DC circuits. Makes the lights blink a little.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 5:29 PM, alan geller via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Well, as soon as I sent my SOS, I realized I was telling all, I was too
> lazy to switch to a beefier power supply to figure that out. Our course,
> your suggestion solved that issue so I am getting double slow on the neuron
> pathways.The voltage went from 13.5 V to 9.5V on the 6th (set for 20WPM)
> dash and shutdown is around 9.2 V.Soo, my conclusion has to be that the
> SuperCaps in my trusty small/expensive power supply are getting tired.I
> just this minute read a review of the HPS by Phil Salas ? AD5X, and he got
> a 2V drop at 10 WPM, so my unit seems to be out of spec and that is a
> "different" issue for this generally useful product.Thank you all for your
> quick response.......Happy 2015
> Alan....K6ADG
>
>
>      On Sunday, January 11, 2015 10:45 AM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  What is your K3 showing as the voltage when you change the DISP to read
> that instead of VFO-B frequency? Low voltage would cause the current to
> increase to keep the power where you set it.
>
> > On  Sunday, Jan 11, 2015, at  Sunday, 10:30 AM, alan geller via Elecraft
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> > What is causing my my seemingly odd occurrence of a low SWR and a high
> current shutdown on my K3 ? It just happened this morning and is very
> worrisome.
> > Freq:  14.055SWR:  1.3:1Antenna:  OCF dipoleSending Dits: Random Hi Curr
> warning for 45 sec and then a shutdownSending Dahs: Random Hi Curr warning
> for 10 sec and then a shutdownPower Supply: Gamma HPS-1aOther indications:
> dimming of backlight synched with XMIT approx 5 sec prior to shutdown
> > Thanks for any help...this is a new issue
> > Alan....K6ADG
>
>
>
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 12 00:24:45 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 21:24:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting link for K3
Message-ID: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Hi,
Not sure how many know this, but there is a way to preset your Filters
for Normalization...

See:
http://youtu.be/_1DnLQVaoYg


-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info




From rprather at mac.com  Mon Jan 12 00:56:30 2015
From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 21:56:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting link for K3
In-Reply-To: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <CAAEtO3mkZ7jOGdAMSkLccZPqeRcwJdkWDBkQkRoNK6VaZzKgqw@mail.gmail.com>

Seems to me that this "secret" procedure is covered nicely on Page 24 of
the K3 manual.

Rick
K6LE

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:24 PM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> Not sure how many know this, but there is a way to preset your Filters
> for Normalization...
>
> See:
> http://youtu.be/_1DnLQVaoYg
>
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
>
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 12 01:06:06 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:06:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting link for K3
In-Reply-To: <CAAEtO3mkZ7jOGdAMSkLccZPqeRcwJdkWDBkQkRoNK6VaZzKgqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<CAAEtO3mkZ7jOGdAMSkLccZPqeRcwJdkWDBkQkRoNK6VaZzKgqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B3644E.5070706@socal.rr.com>

Rick,

We all know the best place to hide something, so 
few will find it, is in the Manual :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/11/15 9:56 PM, Rick Prather wrote:
> Seems to me that this "secret" procedure is covered nicely on Page 24 of
> the K3 manual.
>
> Rick
> K6LE
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:24 PM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Not sure how many know this, but there is a way to preset your Filters
>> for Normalization...
>>
>> See:
>> http://youtu.be/_1DnLQVaoYg
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks and 73's,
>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>> www.nk7z.net


From k2mk at comcast.net  Mon Jan 12 10:26:22 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 08:26:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting link for K3
In-Reply-To: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <1421040285.13122.127.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <1421076382443-7597007.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Dave,

Even though it is in the manual I'm glad you posted the video. I had
forgotten the existence of Norm 1 and Norm 2 and the refresher was
beneficial to me. I normalize lots of times and 400Hz is never what I want.
I've now created Norm 1 to suit my preferred CW bandwidth.

Sometimes a "feature" refresher is just what the doctor ordered.

73,
Mike K2MK


David Cole wrote
> Hi,
> Not sure how many know this, but there is a way to preset your Filters
> for Normalization...
> 
> See:
> http://youtu.be/_1DnLQVaoYg
> -- 
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net





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From w0fm at swbell.net  Mon Jan 12 10:22:38 2015
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 09:22:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty KX3 rack thingy...
In-Reply-To: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>
References: <B5B526B9-8AE1-496B-99E2-E041D49EF377@mac.com>
Message-ID: <007401d02e7b$99d877e0$cd8967a0$@net>

That's a first for me.  Been a ham for 53 years, buying, selling and trading gear.  First time I've ever seen someone request a Starbuck's Gift Card to cover payment for anything!  ;o)

Very creative, Phil.

Terry, W0FM


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Hystad [mailto:phystad at mac.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 7:33 PM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty KX3 rack thingy...


For payment, I will accept a Starbuck?s Coffee giftcard loaded with the whole number dollars of shipping cost.  Thus, if shipping is $9.62, I will take a gift card with $9 on it.  

73, phil, K7PEH





From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 10:56:54 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:56:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
Message-ID: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>

I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power, 
that is, forward power minus reflected power.

This would give a more accurate indication of power going to an antenna 
when the SWR is not 1:1.

For example, if the SWR on the line is about 2.5 and forward power 
indicates 1.2 kW, there is about 200 watts reflected power. In that case 
only about 1 kW (less line losses, of course) is being delivered to the 
load. It is misleading to look at just forward power.

I know that many people think it's simpler to make the antenna impedance 
50 ohms, but that's not always possible.

With the W2's Windows application you can see both forward and reflected 
power and subtract. But I would like the LEDs on the W2 to be able to 
show the delivered power.

Some high-end wattmeters like the Alpha 4510 can do this. It's a SMOP, 
so why not?

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Mon Jan 12 12:24:05 2015
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:24:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Hi Sig warning
Message-ID: <54B40335.8030400@g3tct.co.uk>

Bit of a weird effect found here. I am using an external 2m transverter 
to 28MHz. I noticed that when switching between VFOs using the A/B 
switch from (eg) 145.7875FM to 144.430 usb, the KX3 says ?Hi Sig? and 
disconnects the preamp. This still happens with nothing connected to the 
KX3's antenna socket. It also happens on 50MHz and 21MHz ? I haven't 
checked all the bands.

I found the VFO with FM mode has to be 120kHz or more above or below the 
freq of the VFO in USB mode. It only happens on the transition from FM 
to USB, it doesn't happen for FM to other modes. And it doesn't happen 
on the transition from USB to FM. As I say, weird.

Graham


From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 13:06:34 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:06:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 ?
Message-ID: <COL127-W4852D509C83A1460904237D0430@phx.gbl>

Is there any reason why, a 2 band module for the K1, couldn't be made for 80/15?
And installed with a 4 band (40-30-20-17)?
Thank you!

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
 		 	   		  

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 12 13:29:02 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:29:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 ?
In-Reply-To: <COL127-W4852D509C83A1460904237D0430@phx.gbl>
References: <COL127-W4852D509C83A1460904237D0430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54B4126E.305@embarqmail.com>

Dale,

Other than they both fit into the same space and for that reason cannot 
be both present at the same time - there is no problem.
The offsets are remembered for all 6 bands.
So if you replace the 4 band board with the 2 band board, all you need 
to do is set the menu b1 parameter to 3.5 and the b2 parameter to 21.0 
and you will be ready to operate.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/12/2015 1:06 PM, Dale Putnam wrote:
> Is there any reason why, a 2 band module for the K1, couldn't be made for 80/15?
> And installed with a 4 band (40-30-20-17)?
> Thank you!
>
>


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 12 14:06:00 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:06:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 ?
In-Reply-To: <54B4126E.305@embarqmail.com>
References: <COL127-W4852D509C83A1460904237D0430@phx.gbl>
	<54B4126E.305@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B41B18.9020807@socal.rr.com>

"Other than they both fit into the same space and 
for that reason cannot be both present at the same 
time": Always these troublesome minor details, Don 
:-)

I suspect that if a 6-band K1 (say, with external 
ATU like the T1) had been doable, Wayne would have 
done it!

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/12/15 10:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dale,
>
> Other than they both fit into the same space and 
> for that reason cannot be both present at the 
> same time - there is no problem.
> The offsets are remembered for all 6 bands.
> So if you replace the 4 band board with the 2 
> band board, all you need to do is set the menu 
> b1 parameter to 3.5 and the b2 parameter to 21.0 
> and you will be ready to operate.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/12/2015 1:06 PM, Dale Putnam wrote:
>> Is there any reason why, a 2 band module for 
>> the K1, couldn't be made for 80/15?
>> And installed with a 4 band (40-30-20-17)?
>> Thank you!
>>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 12 14:12:51 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:12:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power, 
> that is, forward power minus reflected power. 

You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a 
while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The 
LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of 
both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power 
amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can 
measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.

Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or 
more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.

73, Jim K9YC

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 14:31:10 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:31:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>

I definitely want an LP100A, but I HAVE a W2, and while it is not as 
accurate, I still would like to see the delivered power!

On 12 Jan 2015 21:12, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power,
>> that is, forward power minus reflected power.
>
> You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a
> while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The
> LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of
> both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power
> amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can
> measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.
>
> Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or
> more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From phystad at mac.com  Mon Jan 12 17:08:27 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EA7246-A757-44B3-9CFA-BE64FD933E64@mac.com>

Vic,

What do you mean by "delivered power"?  I presume you mean delivered to the antenna (aka antenna system) but are you thinking power input to the W2 minus all the losses.  By all losses I mean all losses on transmission line due to just plane old cable loss and higher losses due to higher SWR plus any loss in tuner or other devices between W2 and the aether.

Because, due to conservation of energy, that RF energy either goes out into Electromagnetic waves (radiated) or it ends up as heat-loss somewhere in the system.

And, given all that, I don't think any RF/SWR power meter on the market can measure "delivered power".

Or, are you talking about something else.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jan 12, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I definitely want an LP100A, but I HAVE a W2, and while it is not as accurate, I still would like to see the delivered power!
> 
> On 12 Jan 2015 21:12, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>>> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power,
>>> that is, forward power minus reflected power.
>> 
>> You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a
>> while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The
>> LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of
>> both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power
>> amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can
>> measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.
>> 
>> Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or
>> more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon Jan 12 17:56:18 2015
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New stuff at Dayton?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9y63mXBy84YLUmzRq7gxX5AoadPJgP4TLS=z_ntn0T0_A@mail.gmail.com>

OK, anyone have any ideas of anything new to be shown by Elecraft at Dayton?

Perhaps the sensor for the P3?

jim ab3cv

From pirey4 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 18:12:09 2015
From: pirey4 at gmail.com (pirey4)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:12:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 and KX3 questions related to learning CW
In-Reply-To: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421011973078-7596989.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1421104329878-7597018.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks to everyone for the information and tips.

I'll definitely use the KX3 utility when I'm at home.

An option for always displaying the decoded text rather than switching back
to VFO B frequency would be nice for practice when a computer is not
available. 

Thanks,

phil K4PMI



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From dpsalas at tx.rr.com  Mon Jan 12 19:46:16 2015
From: dpsalas at tx.rr.com (Phil & Debbie Salas)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:46:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>

"I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power, 
that is, forward power minus reflected power. This would give a more 
accurate indication of power going to an antenna when the SWR is not 
1:1.  For example, if the SWR on the line is about 2.5 and forward power 
indicates 1.2 kW, there is about 200 watts reflected power. In that case 
only about 1 kW (less line losses, of course) is being delivered to the 
load. It is misleading to look at just forward power."

Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring. 
Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds 
back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting 
1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is 
re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there 
will be transmission line SWR-related losses.

Phil - AD5X


From scottsheppard at videotron.ca  Mon Jan 12 19:56:36 2015
From: scottsheppard at videotron.ca (Scott Shepard)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:56:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 remote use via Internet
Message-ID: <AD683F8A-2ABE-47E1-BED0-70DCAD4C20CF@videotron.ca>


Hello all,

Anyone have any luck in this regard? I have recently picked up a Pigremote which I am getting going on the network, and soon over the Internet, but wondered if anyone used rumlog via the Internet---especially on cw. At the moment I can not seem to get it to recognize the Pigremote ...
Any thoughts appreciated or your general experience using the kx3 on cw over a network...

With kind regards

Scott. Va3ied 

Sent from my iPad

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jan 12 20:19:45 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:19:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>

Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or 
PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power 
does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat 
difficult to calculate.  Working into a matched, non-reactive load 
[common for AM broadcast, at least a number of years ago], it's "I 
squared R" where R is the radiation resistance of the antenna ... and 
some minor conductor losses in the antenna.  Things get pretty sticky if 
it's not a matched load.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:

> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan 12 20:19:44 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:19:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
Message-ID: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

?HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG? Almost 60 years in Ham Radio

From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 12 20:29:57 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:29:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New stuff at Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9y63mXBy84YLUmzRq7gxX5AoadPJgP4TLS=z_ntn0T0_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9y63mXBy84YLUmzRq7gxX5AoadPJgP4TLS=z_ntn0T0_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1421112597.13122.159.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

K4!
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-01-12 at 17:56 -0500, Jim Miller wrote:
> OK, anyone have any ideas of anything new to be shown by Elecraft at Dayton?



From phystad at mac.com  Mon Jan 12 20:29:56 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:29:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
In-Reply-To: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AE788FB-2B12-40DE-B1F2-DC3C09DBBAAE@mac.com>

Just follow the documentation for installing the antenna tuner.   Filters are a piece of cake to install -- well, as long as the sub-RX is not in the K3, I don't have a sub receiver in mine so I can't comment too much on if it is hard to do.

The documentation for doing the installation of various option boards is very clear on what needs to be done.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Jan 12, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>  HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG  Almost 60 years in Ham Radio
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From mike at ki8r.com  Mon Jan 12 20:37:22 2015
From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:37:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
In-Reply-To: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+iQqthaEDXPiEiRXyY3cjwZR3cAV8HBq2vn5PhxqPrSz-ZSVA@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I just built my K3 2 weeks ago (and a P3 last Friday night).  The K3 took
about 10 hours to build.

Elecraft provides very good step by step instructions.  Spend some time
reading over them and then get started.  Take your time and you will be
fine.

You will love the K3.  I spent all day Saturday using mine in the NAQP CW
contest.  It is an excellent rig, certainly the best I have ever owned.

Good luck!

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>  HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner
> and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked
> inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG  Almost 60
> years in Ham Radio
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Mon Jan 12 21:05:47 2015
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 02:05:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  K-3
In-Reply-To: <CA+iQqthaEDXPiEiRXyY3cjwZR3cAV8HBq2vn5PhxqPrSz-ZSVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+iQqthaEDXPiEiRXyY3cjwZR3cAV8HBq2vn5PhxqPrSz-ZSVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <866157030.26570.1421114747410.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10963.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

The best part of elecraft?radio is that?a proper built kit is 100% the same as an assembled version.
73
Johnny VR2XMC
?      ???? Michael Murphy <mike at ki8r.com>
 ???? Bob Gibson <w5rg at yahoo.com> 
??(CC)? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 ????? 2015?01?13? (??) 9:37 AM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] K-3
   
Bob,

I just built my K3 2 weeks ago (and a P3 last Friday night).? The K3 took
about 10 hours to build.


Elecraft provides very good step by step instructions.? Spend some time
reading over them and then get started.? Take your time and you will be
fine.

You will love the K3.? I spent all day Saturday using mine in the NAQP CW
contest.? It is an excellent rig, certainly the best I have ever owned.

Good luck!

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>? HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner
> and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked
> inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG? Almost 60
> years in Ham Radio
> ______________________________________________________________
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Jan 12 21:11:05 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
In-Reply-To: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54B47EB9.9090406@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

The KAT3 should be no problem to install, just follow the instructions.
For the filter change/addition, again follow the instructions.  If there 
is no KRX3 option installed, it is simply a matter of removing the top 
and bottom covers, but if the KRX3 is installed, it must be removed to 
gain access to the filter slots on the main RF board - not difficult, 
but it takes a bit longer to remove the KRX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/12/2015 8:19 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
>   HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG  Almost 60 years in Ham Radio
>


From K2TK at att.net  Mon Jan 12 21:13:28 2015
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
In-Reply-To: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54B47F48.6080103@att.net>


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jan 12 21:21:26 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 18:21:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
In-Reply-To: <157966313.96238.1421111984591.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100122.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-4DF3D258297A4A49A7AF3EAD96CC41E9@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Do pay attention to the ESD precautions. An short version is in 
the K3 manual on page 77 where it describes how to install 
filters. You can download the manual from the Elecraft web site.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/13/15 at 5:19 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via 
Elecraft) wrote:

>?HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the 
>antenna tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB 
>filter.. I have never looked inside the K-3 so..is this going 
>to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG? Almost 60 years in Ham Radio

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 23:32:39 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:32:39 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <46EA7246-A757-44B3-9CFA-BE64FD933E64@mac.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>
	<46EA7246-A757-44B3-9CFA-BE64FD933E64@mac.com>
Message-ID: <67997345-0576-4E44-A198-51104DCA433C@gmail.com>

I'm talking about forward minus reflected power. If you neglect losses, that is how much power gets to the antenna to be radiated. A wattmeter that measures forward power will be misleading if the SWR is high. My antenna has an SWR of about 2.5:1 on 40 m. When the transmitter delivers 100 watts to the line, there is about 120 watts forward and 20 watts reflected. I want a mode in which the wattmeter reads 100 watts in this situation.

Maybe 'delivered' is a bad choice of word. I mean something like 'power delivered by the transmitter'. Obviously it would take magic to know how much power gets to the antenna after losses!

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Vic,
> 
> What do you mean by "delivered power"?  I presume you mean delivered to the antenna (aka antenna system) but are you thinking power input to the W2 minus all the losses.  By all losses I mean all losses on transmission line due to just plane old cable loss and higher losses due to higher SWR plus any loss in tuner or other devices between W2 and the aether.
> 
> Because, due to conservation of energy, that RF energy either goes out into Electromagnetic waves (radiated) or it ends up as heat-loss somewhere in the system.
> 
> And, given all that, I don't think any RF/SWR power meter on the market can measure "delivered power".
> 
> Or, are you talking about something else.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I definitely want an LP100A, but I HAVE a W2, and while it is not as accurate, I still would like to see the delivered power!
>> 
>>> On 12 Jan 2015 21:12, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>> On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>>>> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power,
>>>> that is, forward power minus reflected power.
>>> 
>>> You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a
>>> while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The
>>> LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of
>>> both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power
>>> amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can
>>> measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.
>>> 
>>> Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or
>>> more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.
>>> 
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> -- 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 23:45:51 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:45:51 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <40CA8217-00B9-46E5-9767-3422F090E8D8@gmail.com>

You are implying that I can arbitrarily increase my power output by detuning my antenna!
You are right that reflected power is re-reflected by the source, but there is a sense in which the 'real' power output in my example is 1 kW.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 2:46 AM, Phil & Debbie Salas <dpsalas at tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> "I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power, that is, forward power minus reflected power. This would give a more accurate indication of power going to an antenna when the SWR is not 1:1.  For example, if the SWR on the line is about 2.5 and forward power indicates 1.2 kW, there is about 200 watts reflected power. In that case only about 1 kW (less line losses, of course) is being delivered to the load. It is misleading to look at just forward power."
> 
> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring. Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
> 
> Phil - AD5X
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 23:53:48 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:53:48 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
	<54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <A4409752-836B-4D04-BB2A-3F61A97C8026@gmail.com>

What I want is just forward - reflected. Neglecting losses, this is what the tx is 'delivering'. In real life somewhat less gets to the antenna.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat difficult to calculate.  Working into a matched, non-reactive load [common for AM broadcast, at least a number of years ago], it's "I squared R" where R is the radiation resistance of the antenna ... and some minor conductor losses in the antenna.  Things get pretty sticky if it's not a matched load.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
> 
>> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jan 12 23:54:39 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:54:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <67997345-0576-4E44-A198-51104DCA433C@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>
	<46EA7246-A757-44B3-9CFA-BE64FD933E64@mac.com>
	<67997345-0576-4E44-A198-51104DCA433C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81B47664-0AE4-4B11-9F07-E15375B700BC@wunderwood.org>

All power ends in a load.

Forward and reverse power measures standing waves, but all those waves go into some kind of load. Nearly all of it, if you are lucky, goes to the antenna. The rest goes to heat. Forward and reverse is just a way to measure standing waves. It does not mean the some percentage of ?reverse power? is disappearing into your power amplifier.

If you are running legal limit into forward power, you are quite likely running illegal power into the the antenna.

I was happy to get a C+ in my fields and waves class at Rice, but I do understand this stuff.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm talking about forward minus reflected power. If you neglect losses, that is how much power gets to the antenna to be radiated. A wattmeter that measures forward power will be misleading if the SWR is high. My antenna has an SWR of about 2.5:1 on 40 m. When the transmitter delivers 100 watts to the line, there is about 120 watts forward and 20 watts reflected. I want a mode in which the wattmeter reads 100 watts in this situation.
> 
> Maybe 'delivered' is a bad choice of word. I mean something like 'power delivered by the transmitter'. Obviously it would take magic to know how much power gets to the antenna after losses!
> 
> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Vic,
>> 
>> What do you mean by "delivered power"?  I presume you mean delivered to the antenna (aka antenna system) but are you thinking power input to the W2 minus all the losses.  By all losses I mean all losses on transmission line due to just plane old cable loss and higher losses due to higher SWR plus any loss in tuner or other devices between W2 and the aether.
>> 
>> Because, due to conservation of energy, that RF energy either goes out into Electromagnetic waves (radiated) or it ends up as heat-loss somewhere in the system.
>> 
>> And, given all that, I don't think any RF/SWR power meter on the market can measure "delivered power".
>> 
>> Or, are you talking about something else.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I definitely want an LP100A, but I HAVE a W2, and while it is not as accurate, I still would like to see the delivered power!
>>> 
>>>> On 12 Jan 2015 21:12, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>> On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>>>>> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power,
>>>>> that is, forward power minus reflected power.
>>>> 
>>>> You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a
>>>> while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The
>>>> LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of
>>>> both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power
>>>> amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can
>>>> measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or
>>>> more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 73,
>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jan 12 23:56:48 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
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No. That is wrong. Forward and reflected are aspects of the standing wave, not power delivered. ?wunder, K6WRU

On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I want is just forward - reflected. Neglecting losses, this is what the tx is 'delivering'. In real life somewhat less gets to the antenna.
> 
> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat difficult to calculate.  Working into a matched, non-reactive load [common for AM broadcast, at least a number of years ago], it's "I squared R" where R is the radiation resistance of the antenna ... and some minor conductor losses in the antenna.  Things get pretty sticky if it's not a matched load.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>> 
>>> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
>> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 00:09:52 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <81B47664-0AE4-4B11-9F07-E15375B700BC@wunderwood.org>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B41CB3.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54B420FE.5010408@gmail.com>
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So why do I need an amplifier? I can just double my power by detuning my antenna tuner!

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:54 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> All power ends in a load.
> 
> Forward and reverse power measures standing waves, but all those waves go into some kind of load. Nearly all of it, if you are lucky, goes to the antenna. The rest goes to heat. Forward and reverse is just a way to measure standing waves. It does not mean the some percentage of ?reverse power? is disappearing into your power amplifier.
> 
> If you are running legal limit into forward power, you are quite likely running illegal power into the the antenna.
> 
> I was happy to get a C+ in my fields and waves class at Rice, but I do understand this stuff.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm talking about forward minus reflected power. If you neglect losses, that is how much power gets to the antenna to be radiated. A wattmeter that measures forward power will be misleading if the SWR is high. My antenna has an SWR of about 2.5:1 on 40 m. When the transmitter delivers 100 watts to the line, there is about 120 watts forward and 20 watts reflected. I want a mode in which the wattmeter reads 100 watts in this situation.
>> 
>> Maybe 'delivered' is a bad choice of word. I mean something like 'power delivered by the transmitter'. Obviously it would take magic to know how much power gets to the antenna after losses!
>> 
>> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Vic,
>>> 
>>> What do you mean by "delivered power"?  I presume you mean delivered to the antenna (aka antenna system) but are you thinking power input to the W2 minus all the losses.  By all losses I mean all losses on transmission line due to just plane old cable loss and higher losses due to higher SWR plus any loss in tuner or other devices between W2 and the aether.
>>> 
>>> Because, due to conservation of energy, that RF energy either goes out into Electromagnetic waves (radiated) or it ends up as heat-loss somewhere in the system.
>>> 
>>> And, given all that, I don't think any RF/SWR power meter on the market can measure "delivered power".
>>> 
>>> Or, are you talking about something else.
>>> 
>>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I definitely want an LP100A, but I HAVE a W2, and while it is not as accurate, I still would like to see the delivered power!
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12 Jan 2015 21:12, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon,1/12/2015 7:56 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>>>>>> I would like the W2 wattmeter to be able to display "delivered" power,
>>>>>> that is, forward power minus reflected power.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You want N8LP's excellent LP-100A. I had lusted after one for quite a
>>>>> while, and bought W6OSP's unit after he died for about half price. The
>>>>> LP-100A supports two couplers, which can be deployed on the outputs of
>>>>> both transmitters in an SO2R setup, or on input and output of a power
>>>>> amp. The LP-100A measures the complex Z at the coupler, so it can
>>>>> measure the input Z of the amplifier under dynamic conditions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now that I can measure power more accurately, I am able to run a dB or
>>>>> more closer to legal limit when I want to for contesting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 13 00:24:34 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:24:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <20E2A000-5418-40AE-857B-E33F5A3D0E97@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
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Sounds like a plan, Vic :-)

BTW -- did you manage to get that antenna repaired?

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/12/15 9:09 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> So why do I need an amplifier? I can just double my power by detuning my antenna tuner!
>
> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP
>
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:54 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>>
>> All power ends in a load.
>>
>> Forward and reverse power measures standing waves, but all those waves go into some kind of load. Nearly all of it, if you are lucky, goes to the antenna. The rest goes to heat. Forward and reverse is just a way to measure standing waves. It does not mean the some percentage of ?reverse power? is disappearing into your power amplifier.
>>
>> If you are running legal limit into forward power, you are quite likely running illegal power into the the antenna.
>>
>> I was happy to get a C+ in my fields and waves class at Rice, but I do understand this stuff.
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm talking about forward minus reflected power. If you neglect losses, that is how much power gets to the antenna to be radiated. A wattmeter that measures forward power will be misleading if the SWR is high. My antenna has an SWR of about 2.5:1 on 40 m. When the transmitter delivers 100 watts to the line, there is about 120 watts forward and 20 watts reflected. I want a mode in which the wattmeter reads 100 watts in this situation.
>>>
>>> Maybe 'delivered' is a bad choice of word. I mean something like 'power delivered by the transmitter'. Obviously it would take magic to know how much power gets to the antenna after losses!
>>>
>>> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 00:26:07 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:26:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <F1E7BD53-7902-45BA-B8D0-F049C147AF5A@wunderwood.org>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
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Here is an experiment to show what I mean.
Take a transmitter and connect it to a 50 ohm dummy load through an antenna tuner. Put a wattmeter between the transmitter and the tuner.
Now adjust the transmitter for 100 watts output and the tuner for 1:1 SWR. 
The meter reads 100W forward and zero reflected power.
Now adjust the tuner for an SWR of about 2.5:1. The wattmeter will show forward power of about  120 watts and reflected power of about 20 watts. Did I increase the real power output of my transmitter? Did I make my signal stronger? No.
I want a wattmeter that has an option to indicate 100 watts in this situation.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> No. That is wrong. Forward and reflected are aspects of the standing wave, not power delivered. ?wunder, K6WRU
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What I want is just forward - reflected. Neglecting losses, this is what the tx is 'delivering'. In real life somewhat less gets to the antenna.
>> 
>> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat difficult to calculate.  Working into a matched, non-reactive load [common for AM broadcast, at least a number of years ago], it's "I squared R" where R is the radiation resistance of the antenna ... and some minor conductor losses in the antenna.  Things get pretty sticky if it's not a matched load.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Fred K6DGW
>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>>> - www.cqp.org
>>> 
>>>> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>>>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>>>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>>>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>>>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>>>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
>>> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jan 13 00:29:08 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:29:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <3EFA04C1-85C2-45B8-9431-177E221C832E@gmail.com>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
	<54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
	<A4409752-836B-4D04-BB2A-3F61A97C8026@gmail.com>
	<F1E7BD53-7902-45BA-B8D0-F049C147AF5A@wunderwood.org>
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A better example would be to use a 100 Ohm dummy load and match it with a tuner. Then measure the heat generated by the load. It should be 100W, minus any losses in the tuner and transmission line.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 12, 2015, at 9:26 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is an experiment to show what I mean.
> Take a transmitter and connect it to a 50 ohm dummy load through an antenna tuner. Put a wattmeter between the transmitter and the tuner.
> Now adjust the transmitter for 100 watts output and the tuner for 1:1 SWR. 
> The meter reads 100W forward and zero reflected power.
> Now adjust the tuner for an SWR of about 2.5:1. The wattmeter will show forward power of about  120 watts and reflected power of about 20 watts. Did I increase the real power output of my transmitter? Did I make my signal stronger? No.
> I want a wattmeter that has an option to indicate 100 watts in this situation.
> 
> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:56 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>> 
>> No. That is wrong. Forward and reflected are aspects of the standing wave, not power delivered. ?wunder, K6WRU
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I want is just forward - reflected. Neglecting losses, this is what the tx is 'delivering'. In real life somewhat less gets to the antenna.
>>> 
>>> Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:19 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat difficult to calculate.  Working into a matched, non-reactive load [common for AM broadcast, at least a number of years ago], it's "I squared R" where R is the radiation resistance of the antenna ... and some minor conductor losses in the antenna.  Things get pretty sticky if it's not a matched load.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> 
>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>>>>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>>>>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>>>>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>>>>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>>>>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
>>>> 
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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 01:40:45 2015
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 22:40:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
Message-ID: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>

KV6X has noticed his temperature controlled crystal is drifting in his K3.
I notice it too. This is a new thing. I have never seen a post about K3
drift. Anyone had this problem??
Bob
K7VO

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 13 01:57:07 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 22:57:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B4C1C3.6060402@socal.rr.com>

News to me, Bob -- but the modes you operate may 
make it more or (in my case) less noticeable.

It might be good if you provided more into:

  * Which modes?
  * Only after an extended key-down TX period or
    on receive, too?
  * How much drift in what period of time?
  * Do you have the KTCXO3-1TCXO installed in your
    K3? (which may be what you mean by
    "temperature controlled crystal")
  * How are you measuring the frequency to
    determine the drift -- i.e., how did you
    conclude it is drifing?

that sort of thing.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/12/15 10:40 PM, Robert Sands wrote:
> KV6X has noticed his temperature controlled crystal is drifting in his K3.
> I notice it too. This is a new thing. I have never seen a post about K3
> drift. Anyone had this problem??
> Bob
> K7VO


From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Tue Jan 13 03:45:31 2015
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:45:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
	<54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
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As well as not all the reflected power being re-reflected, the forward 
power measured by the coupler is not the first time forward power, but 
the sum of all the re-reflected power, as well.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

On 13/01/15 01:19, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or
> PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power
> does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat

>
> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>
>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
>
>


From thomas at dk1ey.de  Tue Jan 13 04:18:59 2015
From: thomas at dk1ey.de (Thomas / DK1EY)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: SideKX (Original) Ultimate Kit for KX3 and PX3
	(ships from Germany)
Message-ID: <02f401d02f11$f73109c0$e5931d40$@dk1ey.de>

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Thomas

DK1EY


From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 06:29:21 2015
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:29:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
Message-ID: <CABuWoS9bdDwDJQ+XjWHyycp02tJSTawo3JDY8j4q5R8ERBFDMg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for an audio mixer either to build or purchase, must RFI proof
for use in the shack .
I want to feed multiple receiver audio outputs to a common amplified
speaker system.

Also I'd like to use one microphone and paddle to feed multiple
transmitters.

I'm sure this has been done before, anyone any pointers.

73,  Deni - F5VJC

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 07:38:04 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:38:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
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Most OP who uses a mixer in their shack usually go with the Behringer.The model number escapes me at the moment, but Google can be your friend. 

((((73)))) Milverton. / W9MMS

      From: F5vjc <foxfive.vjc at gmail.com>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:29 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
   
I'm looking for an audio mixer either to build or purchase, must RFI proof
for use in the shack .
I want to feed multiple receiver audio outputs to a common amplified
speaker system.

Also I'd like to use one microphone and paddle to feed multiple
transmitters.

I'm sure this has been done before, anyone any pointers.

73,? Deni - F5VJC
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 13 08:42:44 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:42:44 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
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A cap on every I/O should cure the rf problems, do it as soon as you receive 
it then the pain is over and done with.

David
G3UNA

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> Most OP who uses a mixer in their shack usually go with the Behringer.The 
> model number escapes me at the moment, but Google can be your friend.
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton. / W9MMS
>
>      From: F5vjc <foxfive.vjc at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:29 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
>
> I'm looking for an audio mixer either to build or purchase, must RFI proof
> for use in the shack .
> I want to feed multiple receiver audio outputs to a common amplified
> speaker system.
>
> Also I'd like to use one microphone and paddle to feed multiple
> transmitters.
>
> I'm sure this has been done before, anyone any pointers.
>
> 73, Deni - F5VJC
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Tue Jan 13 08:46:16 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
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The only name you need to know is Behringer - station speakers, audio 
panels, etc. Bulletproof!

Bill W2BLC - K-Line


From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Tue Jan 13 09:03:09 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (briana)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:03:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
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Guys,

Everything drifts.   It is just a matter of how much and whether that 
amount is acceptable for the proposed use.

I've done extensive drift measurements on the K3 and K3 with high 
stability oscillator.   All comparisons were made to a RB locked 
oscillator.   Up to three days of data was taken.

These were " best case" comparisons (RX on only, no periods of transmit) 
and show the following at 10MHz.
1) The standard oscillator drifts 60- 100 Hz in the first couple hours.  
After that it stays within a couple Hz.
2) The high stability oscillator ( it is not temperature controlled 
because the feedback loop has not been implement) drifts about half that 
amount during a 4 hour period and is stable within a few Hz after that.

Both meet the specs.

What happens with periods of transmit at full power in those intervals 
is unknown.   Most likely it would expand the range observed.

The fact that few people observe drift,  means that during a QSO or two, 
the drift is quite acceptable.   It dosn't mean there is no drift.

73 de Brian/K3KO





On 1/13/2015 1:57 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> News to me, Bob -- but the modes you operate may make it more or (in 
> my case) less noticeable.
>
> It might be good if you provided more into:
>
>  * Which modes?
>  * Only after an extended key-down TX period or
>    on receive, too?
>  * How much drift in what period of time?
>  * Do you have the KTCXO3-1TCXO installed in your
>    K3? (which may be what you mean by
>    "temperature controlled crystal")
>  * How are you measuring the frequency to
>    determine the drift -- i.e., how did you
>    conclude it is drifing?
>
> that sort of thing.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/12/15 10:40 PM, Robert Sands wrote:
>> KV6X has noticed his temperature controlled crystal is drifting in 
>> his K3.
>> I notice it too. This is a new thing. I have never seen a post about K3
>> drift. Anyone had this problem??
>> Bob
>> K7VO
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From ai6ii at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 09:22:33 2015
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:22:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tascam US-122MKII $44.95 today only
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I wanted to thank you Dennis for your heads-up post. I jumped on it right
away and was lucky enough to score one. Should be here next week. :>)   73
..mike  AI6II



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From myronschaffer at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 09:32:11 2015
From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B4DB2B.2030200@david-woolley.me.uk>
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Since this has historically been a can of worms, (it created a firestorm of emails back in 2010 on a yahoo group between W5DXB, R. Fry, K1TTT, W7EL, and Owen Duffy, then VK1OD) I want to introduce an authority on power measurement. Agilent (now called Keysight) has a three part document that talks about power measurement, the usefulness of these documents depends upon your level of understanding and application but since we can all add and subtract, eqn 2-21 of this document indicates that the power delivered to the load (with all of the assumptions listed) is the forward (incident) power minus the reflected power.

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-9215EN.pdf

Myron WV?H
Printed on Recycled Data

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:45 AM, David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk> wrote:
> 
> As well as not all the reflected power being re-reflected, the forward power measured by the coupler is not the first time forward power, but the sum of all the re-reflected power, as well.
> 
> -- 
> David Woolley
> Owner K2 06123
> 
>> On 13/01/15 01:19, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Well ... sort of.  Some of the reflected power heats up the ATU and/or
>> PA depending on the match it sees [actually, some of the forward power
>> does too, tuners have forward losses].  "Delivered Power" is somewhat
> 
>> 
>>> On 1/12/2015 4:46 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, "delivered power" is pretty much what you are measuring.
>>> Remember that reflected power is re-reflected by the source and adds
>>> back into the forward power.  So in your example, you are transmitting
>>> 1200 watts, having 200 watts reflected, then the 200 watts is
>>> re-reflected by the source giving you the 1200 watts.  Of course, there
>>> will be transmission line SWR-related losses.
> 
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Tue Jan 13 09:38:15 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
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Bob, I second all the suggestions. Particularly, having just built a K3 
and adding the second receiver,
one must be patient and work slowly..........in order to not overlook 
slight things that matter.
I suggest that you read each step, think about it, and then read it 
again as you complete it. Be ready to
ask yourself the question, "what does that abbreviation" say or 
mean....then use the manual to look up
each bit a jargon you're now seen or don't remember about. Then go back 
and read the step again and proceed.
Slow and careful - and enjoy the process - results in a working unit.

Have a super day. Phil, W0XI, K3 and P3 owner.

> Bob Gibson via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Monday, January 12, 2015 7:19 PM
>  HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna 
> tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never 
> looked inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob 
> W5RG  Almost 60 years in Ham Radio
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 09:46:29 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:46:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-3
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Thanks very much for the help.. the radio should be here today. I think I may use it for a week, then make up my mine about the filters... I also bought a used kx3, that should be fun also..73s??Bob W5RG? Almost 60 years in Ham Radio

      From: Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
 To: Bob Gibson <w5rg at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-3
   
Bob, I second all the suggestions. Particularly, having just built a K3 and adding the second receiver,
one must be patient and work slowly..........in order to not overlook slight things that matter. 
I suggest that you read each step, think about it, and then read it again as you complete it. Be ready to 
ask yourself the question, "what does that abbreviation" say or mean....then use the manual to look up
each bit a jargon you're now seen or don't remember about. Then go back and read the step again and proceed. 
Slow and careful - and enjoy the process - results in a working unit. 

Have a super day. Phil, W0XI, K3 and P3 owner.


    Bob Gibson via Elecraft  Monday, January 12, 2015 7:19 PM 

?HI All..I just bought a used K-3, I wanted to install the antenna tuner and 2.8 SSB filter as well as the 6 KC SSB filter.. I have never looked inside the K-3 so..is this going to be a hard job to do?Bob W5RG? Almost 60 years in Ham Radio
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 13 10:58:36 2015
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:58:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: SideKX (Original) Ultimate Kit for KX3 and
 PX3 (ships from Germany)
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Thomas, scott here. ?Get ahold of the knob maker he is releasing a compatable knob


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Date:01/13/2015  01:19  (GMT-08:00) 
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Subject: For Sale: SideKX (Original) Ultimate Kit for KX3 and PX3 (ships from Germany) 

For sale: 

  

ORIGINAL SideKX ULTIMATE Combination kit for KX3 and PX3: KX3 Endpannels and Lexan Cover, PX3 Endpannels and Lexan Cover furthermore the KXPD Cover. The Kit is new! Fixed Price: 175? plus shipping (ships from Germany), payment exclusively via PayPal. More Information under: http://gemsproducts.com/PX3.html

http://gemsproducts.com/KX3.html  

  

Sadly I cannot use it, because it is not compatible with the N8BX weighted tuning knob. 

  

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From jreedbum at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 10:59:19 2015
From: jreedbum at gmail.com (Reed Bumgarner)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:59:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Help - K3/100 no power over 12w
Message-ID: <CAMnWSfM+ns2oEaMkypNJX8xRv4ZqhiDKwk7+5b9zU-K7UreHDg@mail.gmail.com>

Prior to running WSPR on 10 meters at 5 watts for about 30 minutes
yesterday the radio was functioning properly putting around 30 watts into a
KPA500. Now today nothing above 12. I've tried the parameter
initialization, power calibration, and even reloading the firmware but no
joy. Is there anything else I could try or should I ship it to Elecraft?
Thanks, Reed AA1RB

From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Tue Jan 13 11:05:41 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Help - K3/100 no power over 12w
In-Reply-To: <CAMnWSfM+ns2oEaMkypNJX8xRv4ZqhiDKwk7+5b9zU-K7UreHDg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have sent mine (SN # 2090) back to Elecraft twice for the same problem..
Seems like the low power devices fail.

They fixed it up and returned until the next time.

W4CCS

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Subject: [Elecraft] Help - K3/100 no power over 12w

Prior to running WSPR on 10 meters at 5 watts for about 30 minutes yesterday
the radio was functioning properly putting around 30 watts into a KPA500.
Now today nothing above 12. I've tried the parameter initialization, power
calibration, and even reloading the firmware but no joy. Is there anything
else I could try or should I ship it to Elecraft?
Thanks, Reed AA1RB
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 13 11:13:41 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:13:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Help - K3/100 no power over 12w
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1. Make sure CONFIG:KPA3 shows 'PA nor'.  If not, set it to 'PA nor'.

2. If 1. doesn't work or doesn't apply, contact
K3support at elecraft.com.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:59:19 -0500, you wrote:

>Prior to running WSPR on 10 meters at 5 watts for about 30 minutes
>yesterday the radio was functioning properly putting around 30 watts into a
>KPA500. Now today nothing above 12. I've tried the parameter
>initialization, power calibration, and even reloading the firmware but no
>joy. Is there anything else I could try or should I ship it to Elecraft?
>Thanks, Reed AA1RB
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From sales at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 13 11:32:26 2015
From: sales at elecraft.com (Lisa Jones - Elecraft Sales)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:32:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for Enthusiasts in Texas
Message-ID: <54B5489A.7090408@elecraft.com>

Each year we are incredibly lucky to have many of our Elecraft 
Enthusiasts volunteer to attend some of the Hamfests we are unable to 
personally attend.

I am always rather overwhelmed at the support we receive each year. 
Elecraft is truly fortunate to have a supportive and enthusiastic 
customer base.

Periodically I will be sending out requests for customers in the 
vicinity of the Hamfest who would like to help organize a table to show 
off your Elecraft gear to fellow HAMS who have not had the opportunity
to either see or talk to other HAMS who have operated our equipment.

Elecraft will pay for the booth and admission if required, have Elecraft 
Enthusiast shirts made for up to four participants and send a table 
cover and literature to you for the Hamfest.

My first request this year is for the Greater Houston Hamfest on March 
28, 2015 from 8 - 3:30.  http://www.houstonhamfest.org/

  We have been asked to have a table at this Hamfest and am hoping that 
some of you might be able to put together a group of Elecraft customers 
who could help out. I know that many of you are helping with the Hamfest
but if anyone has extra time or is not volunteering and could help with 
an Elecraft presence there that would be great!

You can email me directlyy, lisa at elecraft.com, if you are interested in 
helping to man and organize an Elecraft table for March 28th.

Lisa

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From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan 13 12:17:44 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>
	<2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54B55338.1040007@triconet.org>

Well, if it's audible, then why not use CW?  Much faster, even with slow keying, 
and they are human-to-human contacts.  The bragging I've heard is of the type, 
"I worked VK0H with 100 mW into a wet string antenna laying on the ground.  Who 
needs QRO?"

I don't know what contesting is "supposed to do."  Seems to me that humans are 
naturally competitive and sooner or later almost every activity turns 
competitive for some.  (I've been told, by the President of the Arizona Outlaws 
Contest Club no less, that I am not a contestor, so right from the horse's rear, 
I've been exonerated.)

Nevertheless---and here lies the source of condemnation---I sometimes operate in 
contests to work new DXCC slots or states. When push comes to shove, DXCC, WAS, 
IOTA, WAZ, and most any other award you can think of are "contests."

Wes  N7WS

On 1/5/2015 5:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.
> Not sure about the bragging you speak of???
>
> Since Contesting is supposed to teach Amateurs to be better operators (for emergencies and the like)I would be led to believe that the contester of all people should be one to take the most stringentsteps to operate in a manner as to not cause interference to other operators, would you not agree?
> After all in a real emergency you would mot want to be causing interference, correct?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        From: Wes (N7WS)<wes at triconet.org>
>   To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net  
>   Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 2:36 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
>     
> I agree with both of you.  If you want to use (and brag about) modes where you
> (your computer) work signals inaudible to human beings then you should not
> complain when those same human beings don't know your computer is using the
> frequency.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 13 12:43:27 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:43:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <54B55338.1040007@triconet.org>
References: <54AAE7A9.2000001@triconet.org>	<2022458010.2975887.1420505431306.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54B55338.1040007@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <54B5593F.9050903@elecraft.com>

Folks - this thread is now closed.

In general, please complain about on-air operating issues, other hams, QRM etc. 
on other lists and -not- on the Elecraft list. This is a little to OT for our 
core readership.

73,

Eric
List Moderator
elecraft.com

On 1/13/2015 9:17 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> Well, if it's audible, then why not use CW?  Much faster, even with slow 
> keying, and they are human-to-human contacts.  The bragging I've heard is of 
> the type, "I worked VK0H with 100 mW into a wet string antenna laying on the 
> ground.  Who needs QRO?"


From edauer at law.du.edu  Tue Jan 13 12:55:38 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:55:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and Nifty Stands for KX3 / PX3
Message-ID: <D0DAA8B8.939C%edauer@law.du.edu>

Does anyone know if the Side-KX panels and covers are compatible with the
Nifty KX3 and PX3 Desk Stands?  I have looked at the photos on the Side KX
site but can?t tell for sure.  The fit between the KX3 and PX3 and their
Nifty stands is pretty tight.

Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR



>
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: "Thomas / DK1EY [via Elecraft]"
><ml-node+s365791n7597038h12 at n2.nabble.com>
>Date:01/13/2015  01:19  (GMT-08:00)
>To: KD6QZX <kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: For Sale: SideKX (Original) Ultimate Kit for KX3 and PX3 (ships
>from Germany) 
>
>For sale: 
>
>  
>
>ORIGINAL SideKX ULTIMATE Combination kit for KX3 and PX3: KX3 Endpannels
>and Lexan Cover, PX3 Endpannels and Lexan Cover furthermore the KXPD
>Cover. The Kit is new! Fixed Price: 175? plus shipping (ships from
>Germany), payment exclusively via PayPal. More Information under:
>http://gemsproducts.com/PX3.html
>
>http://gemsproducts.com/KX3.html
>
>  
>
>Sadly I cannot use it, because it is not compatible with the N8BX
>weighted tuning knob.
>
>  
>
>VY73 
>
>Thomas 
>
>DK1EY 
>
>______________________________________________________________


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 13 12:58:17 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:58:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <661788618.402837.1421152684220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <CABuWoS9bdDwDJQ+XjWHyycp02tJSTawo3JDY8j4q5R8ERBFDMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<661788618.402837.1421152684220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54B55CB9.1030406@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/13/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> Most OP who uses a mixer in their shack usually go with the Behringer.The model number escapes me at the moment, but Google can be your friend.

Mackie mixers are the real deal. Rane also makes great little mixers. 
Behringer is the rip-off company -- in the audio world, they have a 
well-deserved reputation for poor quality, poor (or non-existent) 
service, and for stealing the designs of the good companies.

73, Jim K9YC

From ab1dd at arrl.net  Tue Jan 13 13:03:31 2015
From: ab1dd at arrl.net (AB1DD)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:03:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 coupler
Message-ID: <1421172211.62624.YahooMailBasic@web162601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I have a spare DCHF-2000a  1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W coupler for the W2. The watt meter I bought used came with 2, and I would rather have a vhf/uhf coupler. I'll trade even, or sell the HF coupler for $50.00. Please reply to AB1DD at ARRL dot NET . 

73,
Carl
AB1DD

Resistance is futile.
(don't know about reactance, though)

From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jan 13 13:27:36 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:27:36 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
Message-ID: <37C82746-F547-4562-9A92-C4CA0275BC34@mac.com>

I have a W1 but when I was searching for some information on-line I discovered the Elecraft product named WM1.  The WM1 seems to be the same as W1, but is it?

Is is merely a renaming of the WM1 -> W1 (I am thinking W1 might be newer) or is it an older but similar product.

73, phil, K7PEH


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 13:27:41 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:27:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1906121356.329537.1421173661313.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100176.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Nearly all radios have some drift
You can minimize it by leaving the radio on or allowing it to be on a while before using it.The high stability option does make it better and a GPSDO will essentially eliminate it.

Drift is most pronounced in the digital modes and in the upper bands.



      From: Robert Sands <k7voradio at gmail.com>
 To: K2 <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:40 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
   
KV6X has noticed his temperature controlled crystal is drifting in his K3.
I notice it too. This is a new thing. I have never seen a post about K3
drift. Anyone had this problem??
Bob
K7VO
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 13:30:58 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:30:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
In-Reply-To: <1906121356.329537.1421173661313.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100176.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAD2oaeun6JpY8MFWh7h0pfgOTmrYVe048iD80AktUBr-uYJv=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1906121356.329537.1421173661313.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100176.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1394488689.326911.1421173858139.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


  
Nearly all radios have some drift.
You can minimize it by leaving the radio on or allowing it to be on a while before using it.The high stability option does make it better and a GPSDO will essentially eliminate it.

Drift is most pronounced in the digital modes and in the upper bands.
Another culprit is having a cold shack in wintertime, the initialturn on until warm-up can show a fair amount of thermal drift

 

     From: Robert Sands <k7voradio at gmail.com>
 To: K2 <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:40 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
   
KV6X has noticed his temperature controlled crystal is drifting in his K3.
I notice it too. This is a new thing. I have never seen a post about K3
drift. Anyone had this problem??
Bob
K7VO
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From sussman at red-bean.com  Tue Jan 13 14:12:18 2015
From: sussman at red-bean.com (Ben Collins-Sussman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:12:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] oops -- repairing K3's KIO main board
Message-ID: <CAOrXxRQ+CKTHVR6Ocu4sufm9+HnAe2zYn0DH2sdqSy3FYMYiJg@mail.gmail.com>

I was installing the KVA transverter board this morning into my K3, and
stupidly had my finger in the wrong place while popping the KIO main-board
back into position.  One of the 4 capacitors at the top the KIO board
popped off -- at least I think they're capacitors.  I didn't recognize them
-- some sort of surface-mount transistors?  Some sort of op-amp or other IC?

After I calmed down from my panic, I managed to do a sort of hacky-solder
job to get it back on -- I'm not so good at surface mounting small parts.

That said, the K3 isn't reporting any errors, and after activating the KVA
module in the config settings, I see no error messages either.

Is it safe to assume my soldering repair worked?

From jamesd at moselle.com  Tue Jan 13 14:17:39 2015
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:17:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] oops -- repairing K3's KIO main board
In-Reply-To: <CAOrXxRQ+CKTHVR6Ocu4sufm9+HnAe2zYn0DH2sdqSy3FYMYiJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOrXxRQ+CKTHVR6Ocu4sufm9+HnAe2zYn0DH2sdqSy3FYMYiJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1501131116290.28007@tara.technosattva.org>

I suspect it will be fine.  Soldering SMDs is pretty easy even though it's
a different skill set.

For me the hard part was learning to work with magnification so I can
see what I'm doing. :)

On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote:

> I was installing the KVA transverter board this morning into my K3, and
> stupidly had my finger in the wrong place while popping the KIO main-board
> back into position.  One of the 4 capacitors at the top the KIO board
> popped off -- at least I think they're capacitors.  I didn't recognize them
> -- some sort of surface-mount transistors?  Some sort of op-amp or other IC?
>
> After I calmed down from my panic, I managed to do a sort of hacky-solder
> job to get it back on -- I'm not so good at surface mounting small parts.
>
> That said, the K3 isn't reporting any errors, and after activating the KVA
> module in the config settings, I see no error messages either.
>
> Is it safe to assume my soldering repair worked?
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 13 14:39:13 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:39:13 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
Message-ID: <201501131939.t0DJdDlJ090884@huffman.acsalaska.net>

When Harry first posted
 >On 1/5/2015 5:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
 > JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.

I was tempted to reply when first posted but decided it wasn't worth 
bothering since it was obviously from someone who totally did not 
understand.  But now it has been repeated, so you asked for this (and 
I am replying politely):

If you stand next to a horn being played, does it make a sound?...if 
you are a thousand miles away from the horn does it still make a 
sound?  Yes to both questions.  But can you hear the sound when you 
are a thousand miles away?  Not by ear.

Is CW audible in a radio receiver tuned to receive it?  Yes - If the 
signal is strong enough.  If you cannot hear the CW signal can you 
copy the CW message...nope.

JT-65 can be heard by a receiver set up in CW or SSB and properly 
tuned...if the signal is strong enough.  If the signal is not strong 
enough to be heard, the JT65 signal can still be decoded (quite 
easily) though you will hear nothing in the receiver.  This is at a 
signal level from about -20 to -28 dB SNR as received with a 2.5-KHz 
bw SSB receiver.

To state this a little differently, JT-65 can be decoded down to 
about 8-dB below the signal level that CW is not longer 
audible.  JT-65 and CW are equally audible if the same signal strength.

73, Ed - KL7UW
PS: if you do not like computers why are you using one to post 
e-mail?  If you prefer CW, then by all means use CW.  JT-65 is simply 
an alternative mode which works better with extremely weak 
signals.  Human intervention is required for either mode.  To say 
JT-65 use is not human-to human is insulting the user.

-------------------------
From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
Message-ID: <54B55338.1040007 at triconet.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Well, if it's audible, then why not use CW?  Much faster, even with 
slow keying,
and they are human-to-human contacts.  The bragging I've heard is of the type,
"I worked VK0H with 100 mW into a wet string antenna laying on the 
ground.  Who
needs QRO?"
==snip
X.



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jan 13 14:48:37 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:48:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B4DB2B.2030200@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com>
	<54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>	<54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
	<54B4DB2B.2030200@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <54B57695.40606@sonic.net>

The power delivered to the load really is forward power minus reverse 
power.  You can see that by imagining that you disconnect the load 
completely (infinite impedance) or short it out (zero impedance).  That 
means no power can be absorbed by the load.

The wattmeter reads equal forward and reverse power, so that forward 
minus reverse equals zero, as it must.

Alan N1AL



On 01/13/2015 12:45 AM, David Woolley wrote:
> As well as not all the reflected power being re-reflected, the forward 
> power measured by the coupler is not the first time forward power, but 
> the sum of all the re-reflected power, as well.
>


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 14:56:20 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 06:56:20 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
In-Reply-To: <201501131939.t0DJdDlJ090884@huffman.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501131939.t0DJdDlJ090884@huffman.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <B17D3363-196B-4AF4-8BE7-A6F0C996BB5F@gmail.com>

Of course, it is arguable to what extent JT-65 represents a ?true QSO? ? the following articles make for some interesting reading, and show that the situation is not altogether back and white:
http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html <http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html>

73, Matt VK2RQ
 

> On 14 Jan 2015, at 6:39 am, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> When Harry first posted
> >On 1/5/2015 5:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > JT65 is indeed audible and has a very distinct sound.
> 
> I was tempted to reply when first posted but decided it wasn't worth bothering since it was obviously from someone who totally did not understand.  But now it has been repeated, so you asked for this (and I am replying politely):
> 
> If you stand next to a horn being played, does it make a sound?...if you are a thousand miles away from the horn does it still make a sound?  Yes to both questions.  But can you hear the sound when you are a thousand miles away?  Not by ear.
> 
> Is CW audible in a radio receiver tuned to receive it?  Yes - If the signal is strong enough.  If you cannot hear the CW signal can you copy the CW message...nope.
> 
> JT-65 can be heard by a receiver set up in CW or SSB and properly tuned...if the signal is strong enough.  If the signal is not strong enough to be heard, the JT65 signal can still be decoded (quite easily) though you will hear nothing in the receiver.  This is at a signal level from about -20 to -28 dB SNR as received with a 2.5-KHz bw SSB receiver.
> 
> To state this a little differently, JT-65 can be decoded down to about 8-dB below the signal level that CW is not longer audible.  JT-65 and CW are equally audible if the same signal strength.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> PS: if you do not like computers why are you using one to post e-mail?  If you prefer CW, then by all means use CW.  JT-65 is simply an alternative mode which works better with extremely weak signals.  Human intervention is required for either mode.  To say JT-65 use is not human-to human is insulting the user.
> 
> -------------------------
> From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
> Message-ID: <54B55338.1040007 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Well, if it's audible, then why not use CW?  Much faster, even with slow keying,
> and they are human-to-human contacts.  The bragging I've heard is of the type,
> "I worked VK0H with 100 mW into a wet string antenna laying on the ground.  Who
> needs QRO?"
> ==snip
> X.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>    dubususa at gmail.com
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jan 13 15:06:39 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:06:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <CABuWoS9bdDwDJQ+XjWHyycp02tJSTawo3JDY8j4q5R8ERBFDMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABuWoS9bdDwDJQ+XjWHyycp02tJSTawo3JDY8j4q5R8ERBFDMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B57ACF.2080803@foothill.net>

Talk to Jim, K9YC [k9yc{at}arrl{dot}net].  Jim is retired from the 
professional audio business, and has a vast trove of institutional 
knowledge, including vendors and their products.  Possibly he'll weigh 
in on this thread.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/13/2015 3:29 AM, F5vjc wrote:
> I'm looking for an audio mixer either to build or purchase, must RFI
> proof for use in the shack . I want to feed multiple receiver audio
> outputs to a common amplified speaker system.
>
> Also I'd like to use one microphone and paddle to feed multiple
> transmitters.
>
> I'm sure this has been done before, anyone any pointers.

From arsk2rny at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 15:11:23 2015
From: arsk2rny at gmail.com (Carey Magee)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
In-Reply-To: <54B57695.40606@sonic.net>
References: <54B3EEC6.40602@gmail.com> <54B46AD8.6090304@tx.rr.com>
	<54B472B1.20906@foothill.net>
	<54B4DB2B.2030200@david-woolley.me.uk> <54B57695.40606@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CALOfhC6cz7mkozuTuVKoY=Rn9+Z=JwCNhDz4j9HrewfmnDzfSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks:

Been reading this thread and just wanted to mention that the Elecraft W2
Interface program (
http://www.elecraft.com/software/W2/elecraft_w2_software.htm) shows both
forward and reflected power quite nicely.

73,
Carey, K2RNY
Rochester New York
Grid: FN13ef

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> The power delivered to the load really is forward power minus reverse
> power.  You can see that by imagining that you disconnect the load
> completely (infinite impedance) or short it out (zero impedance).  That
> means no power can be absorbed by the load.
>
> The wattmeter reads equal forward and reverse power, so that forward minus
> reverse equals zero, as it must.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
>
> On 01/13/2015 12:45 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>
>> As well as not all the reflected power being re-reflected, the forward
>> power measured by the coupler is not the first time forward power, but the
>> sum of all the re-reflected power, as well.
>>
>>
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From df1oe at live.de  Tue Jan 13 15:32:21 2015
From: df1oe at live.de (Roland_DF1OE)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:32:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?
In-Reply-To: <54B32A96.3020402@embarqmail.com>
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	<54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
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Hi Don,

thanks for Your reply - midwhile i found an other suggestion too in the
mailing-list. Q10 and Q11 j309 and 2n7000 where changed and the click went
away. 

.so i have a lot of possibilitys to work on hi. I will keep you informest.
The k1 4 band is a vy nice radio - i wish the kx3 has ist form factor (but i
know it is only possible by shrinking our fingertips.

Roland, DF1OE, www.df1oe.de <http://www.df1oe.de> , df1oe at qrz.com
<mailto:df1oe at qrz.com> , www.baerenfunk.com <http://www.baerenfunk.com> 

 

Von: Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7596999h84 at n2.nabble.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Januar 2015 03:01
An: Roland_DF1OE
Betreff: Re: K1 AF sidetone loudness problem ?

 

Roland, 

Your suspicion about the T/R switch *may* be correct, but before you 
make any changes, check the menu for the T-R setting.  The default is 50 
ms.  If you are using a small value, the receiver may be unmuting 
quickly enough that you actually hear a bit of the residual RF. 

I was not able to view your video - OneDrive just keeps 'spinning its 
wheels' as if it is loading, but I waited for over 5 minutes (two times) 
and it still did not load. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 

On 1/11/2015 12:11 PM, Roland_DF1OE wrote: 


> Hi Don, 
> 
> finally i did the reset of the radio and all the alignment procedures
again. 
> I managed to get the loudness of the sidetone ok (but i am still thinking 
> one oft he T/ R diodes openes slowly ), but as a result now i have a
strong 
> "burst" at every tone (only if hf is on). Even if the sidetone is off and
hf 
> is produced the burst is heard - it grows loude with the af gain, so it is

> produced before the AF amplifier - hope so. 
> 
>   
> 


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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 15:43:54 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:43:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
Message-ID: <908005913.363609.1421181834741.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10089.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
?Has Elecraft considered such an option?

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 16:09:36 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] oops -- repairing K3's KIO main board
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Yes those look to be caps,?Hopefully you have it repaired :)
BTW, for a long time I was hesitant to do surface mount but now?I findit quite easy?a strong light and a Magnifier visor make it a lot easier.
A good set of fine point tweezers and a fine tip are about all that I use.

Congratulations you can now say you have done surface mount repair ;)



 

     From: Ben Collins-Sussman <sussman at red-bean.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] oops -- repairing K3's KIO main board
   


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> wrote:

Any photos of it so we can identify the part?


I can take a photo of my own K3 later tonight -- but here's a picture of the KIO3 board from the K3 construction manual. ?See the 4 nubs going horizontally along the top? ?:-) ?I broke off the leftmost one.


??

   

  

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 16:24:32 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 23:24:32 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature wanted for W2 wattmeter
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And I started this thread by pointing that out, and saying "wouldn't it 
be nice if the W2 firmware could show Pf - Pr in the LED display." I 
don't have screen space for yet another application.


On 13 Jan 2015 22:11, Carey Magee wrote:
> Hi Folks:
>
> Been reading this thread and just wanted to mention that the Elecraft W2
> Interface program (
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/W2/elecraft_w2_software.htm) shows both
> forward and reflected power quite nicely.
>
> 73,
> Carey, K2RNY
> Rochester New York
> Grid: FN13ef
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> The power delivered to the load really is forward power minus reverse
>> power.  You can see that by imagining that you disconnect the load
>> completely (infinite impedance) or short it out (zero impedance).  That
>> means no power can be absorbed by the load.
>>
>> The wattmeter reads equal forward and reverse power, so that forward minus
>> reverse equals zero, as it must.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/13/2015 12:45 AM, David Woolley wrote:
>>
>>> As well as not all the reflected power being re-reflected, the forward
>>> power measured by the coupler is not the first time forward power, but the
>>> sum of all the re-reflected power, as well.

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From bbaines at mac.com  Tue Jan 13 16:29:56 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:29:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
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Harry:

Interesting idea.  Reducing "clutter" and simplifying hookup to only requiring power and internet access does have appeal.  Not having to unplug and replug between K3/O-Mini and RemoteRig will reduce errors.  For example, I have managed to connect the wrong item to the wrong port because the same connector type is used for IO and TTL on the RRC-1258. I've subsequently labeled all connections on the interface cable to try to minimize attaching to the wrong port.  

My ham station is in Georgia and my primary residence is in Massachusetts, so I'm always traveling between the two locations. I take the K3/O-Mini, Remote Rig and headset/mic with me all the time.  I ended up purchasing a Pelican Case to  hold the K3/O-Mini, RemoteRig, power "warts" (one each to power RemoteRig and K3/O-Mini), Elecraft interface cable that goes between the K3/O-Mini and RemoteRig, a duplex power cord to plug both "warts," ethernet cable, and associated jumpers for the audio side along with a K3 "Nifty" Manual.  I carry the headset/mic in a separate case.

In other words, there is a good amount of "stuff" that is needed when operating remote.  One advantage of having the K3/O-Mini and Remote Rig be separate is that it allows the K3 to be placed in a very small space. For example, I'm using the K3/O-Mini sitting on a window sill in front of me above the laptop that is sitting on a built-in table along the wall in my office in Georgia away from the ham shack that is in a separate building (garage).  A K3-sized device would take up a signifiant amount of table space on the desk and wouldn't function as well. This arrangement also allows the RemoteRig to be positioned closer to the ethernet connection (I don't use wireless) and power outlet, with only needing to string the cable between the RemoteRig and K3/O-Mini in my working area.  That said, having a simplified connection process would be even better.  

I do agree that there could be things done to simplify the connection process, but that would probably take a redesign of the RemoteRig interface. For example, since a 15-pin connector is used in the back of the K3/O-Mini to connect to the RemoteRig, it would be nice to have a corresponding 15-pin connector on the front end of RemoteRig to allow all connections to be made at once, eliminating the possibility of plugging the wrong item to the wrong connector.  Or, perhaps Elecraft might consider reworking the RRC-1258 to fit within a slightly larger K3/O-Mini device and have all connections done internally.  Either arrangement would require closer cooperation between Elecraft and RemoteRig and the development of a product specific for the K3 line.  

In the meantime, I'd be interested to learn how others are dealing with setup and storage/transportation of their "portable" station equipment.  Since I usually drive between MA and GA, there isn't any problem with having room in the vehicle for my "toys." 

FWIW,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW
 
> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
> Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
> My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
>  Has Elecraft considered such an option?
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From emoss98133 at msn.com  Tue Jan 13 16:52:13 2015
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:52:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
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I just did a freq. calibration of my K3.
with the dial set to 9.999.000 in usb for wwv at 10 mhz, that gave me a 1
khz tone that I sent to the computer using Spectran that will show the freq
of the audio. I was able to set thr REF CAL in the K3 to be within .03 cycle
of dead beat. I calibrated my Xtal reference osc dead beat with wwv. and
then set the K3 to 6 meters , dial set to 49.999.000 to give a 1 khz tone
and checked the 5 harmonic of the xtal osc. and found that the K3 was only
off 8.68 cycles.  due to the fact I was using the 5th harmonic of the xtal
osc there is some small error. I did a freq drift check before doing the
above and found my K3 had a drift of only 8.5 cycles over a 2 hour warm
up.....

to me this is darn good...

Ed  KD7PY (ex K7WIA)




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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 13 16:52:38 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:52:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Lids running RTTY on the JT65 Frequency
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Folks - This thread is closed - as per my post earlier this morning. Please, no 
more postings on this topic.

Eric
Elecraft List Moderator - really!
elecraft.com

On 1/13/2015 11:56 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:
> Of course, it is arguable to what extent JT-65 represents a ?true QSO? ? the following articles make for some interesting reading, and show that the situation is not altogether back and white:
> http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html <http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html>
>
> 73, Matt VK2RQ
>   


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 17:09:34 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:09:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
In-Reply-To: <22E4951B-C9FA-4F3E-B951-36834E649D36@mac.com>
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It would be nice if remote rig had a version that was that was a bit closer tailored to the K3/0
If I get the desire to get a K3 again I may just get someone to bend
me a custom sized box to hold the Remote Rig hardware and a PS



      From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
   
Harry:

Interesting idea.? Reducing "clutter" and simplifying hookup to only requiring power and internet access does have appeal.? Not having to unplug and replug between K3/O-Mini and RemoteRig will reduce errors.? For example, I have managed to connect the wrong item to the wrong port because the same connector type is used for IO and TTL on the RRC-1258. I've subsequently labeled all connections on the interface cable to try to minimize attaching to the wrong port.? 

My ham station is in Georgia and my primary residence is in Massachusetts, so I'm always traveling between the two locations. I take the K3/O-Mini, Remote Rig and headset/mic with me all the time.? I ended up purchasing a Pelican Case to? hold the K3/O-Mini, RemoteRig, power "warts" (one each to power RemoteRig and K3/O-Mini), Elecraft interface cable that goes between the K3/O-Mini and RemoteRig, a duplex power cord to plug both "warts," ethernet cable, and associated jumpers for the audio side along with a K3 "Nifty" Manual.? I carry the headset/mic in a separate case.

In other words, there is a good amount of "stuff" that is needed when operating remote.? One advantage of having the K3/O-Mini and Remote Rig be separate is that it allows the K3 to be placed in a very small space. For example, I'm using the K3/O-Mini sitting on a window sill in front of me above the laptop that is sitting on a built-in table along the wall in my office in Georgia away from the ham shack that is in a separate building (garage).? A K3-sized device would take up a signifiant amount of table space on the desk and wouldn't function as well. This arrangement also allows the RemoteRig to be positioned closer to the ethernet connection (I don't use wireless) and power outlet, with only needing to string the cable between the RemoteRig and K3/O-Mini in my working area.? That said, having a simplified connection process would be even better.? 

I do agree that there could be things done to simplify the connection process, but that would probably take a redesign of the RemoteRig interface. For example, since a 15-pin connector is used in the back of the K3/O-Mini to connect to the RemoteRig, it would be nice to have a corresponding 15-pin connector on the front end of RemoteRig to allow all connections to be made at once, eliminating the possibility of plugging the wrong item to the wrong connector.? Or, perhaps Elecraft might consider reworking the RRC-1258 to fit within a slightly larger K3/O-Mini device and have all connections done internally.? Either arrangement would require closer cooperation between Elecraft and RemoteRig and the development of a product specific for the K3 line.? 

In the meantime, I'd be interested to learn how others are dealing with setup and storage/transportation of their "portable" station equipment.? Since I usually drive between MA and GA, there isn't any problem with having room in the vehicle for my "toys." 

FWIW,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW
 


> On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
> Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
> My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
>? Has Elecraft considered such an option?
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 17:12:25 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:12:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
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Yes it is good
I never really had and issues even when I was using the stock oscillator and running JT-65?
I went to the High Stability and a GPSDO because I'm of German Decent ;)




      From: KD7PY <emoss98133 at msn.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
   
I just did a freq. calibration of my K3.
with the dial set to 9.999.000 in usb for wwv at 10 mhz, that gave me a 1
khz tone that I sent to the computer using Spectran that will show the freq
of the audio. I was able to set thr REF CAL in the K3 to be within .03 cycle
of dead beat. I calibrated my Xtal reference osc dead beat with wwv. and
then set the K3 to 6 meters , dial set to 49.999.000 to give a 1 khz tone
and checked the 5 harmonic of the xtal osc. and found that the K3 was only
off 8.68 cycles.? due to the fact I was using the 5th harmonic of the xtal
osc there is some small error. I did a freq drift check before doing the
above and found my K3 had a drift of only 8.5 cycles over a 2 hour warm
up.....

to me this is darn good...

Ed? KD7PY (ex K7WIA)




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From kb2m at arrl.net  Tue Jan 13 17:27:06 2015
From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
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I already own a K3/0 mini, RRC-1258, power supply, etc. I would sell all of this and buy a K3/0 mini, and remote box as you describe, 'IF' it had an IF out at the control end of the station. I really don't think this would be real hard for Elecraft to do, but the market would have to dictate... What do you think Wayne :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 15:44 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?

About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
 Has Elecraft considered such an option?
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 13 18:27:01 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 23:27:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
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When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a P3/0
For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice Over IP.
Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect it to me a bit off a pricey option







      From: "kb2m at arrl.net" <kb2m at arrl.net>
 To: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
   
I already own a K3/0 mini, RRC-1258, power supply, etc. I would sell all of this and buy a K3/0 mini, and remote box as you describe, 'IF' it had an IF out at the control end of the station. I really don't think this would be real hard for Elecraft to do, but the market would have to dictate... What do you think Wayne :-)

73 Jeff kb2m

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To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?

About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
 Has Elecraft considered such an option?
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jan 13 18:59:45 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:59:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
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It might make more sense to mix the IF down to baseband I/Q, bring the audio back, then run a remote PX3. It would need a high-bandwidth audio connection, though, probably with lossless compression.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a P3/0
> For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice Over IP.
> Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect it to me a bit off a pricey option
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    From: "kb2m at arrl.net" <kb2m at arrl.net>
> To: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
> 
> I already own a K3/0 mini, RRC-1258, power supply, etc. I would sell all of this and buy a K3/0 mini, and remote box as you describe, 'IF' it had an IF out at the control end of the station. I really don't think this would be real hard for Elecraft to do, but the market would have to dictate... What do you think Wayne :-)
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 15:44 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
> 
> About a year ago I had strongly considered getting the full size K3/0and putting the RemoteRig inside so it would be self contained.
> Now with the K3/0 Mini it got me thinking that a nice accessory would be a box thatwould hold the Remote Rig, a small power supply and possibly a wireless adapter.That way the K3/0 Mini would just mount to the front making it one unit.
> My thoughts being that it would only take a walloutlet and an Ethernet connection to be on the air.
> Has Elecraft considered such an option?
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Tue Jan 13 19:17:52 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:17:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
Message-ID: <C477D74D714F431AA87F1370DC3597E1@TDYDell>

You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.  

The Oak Hills watt meters were first offered in the mid 90?s, and were very popular?still are I guess.  I have a WM1, but the WM2 was something of an improved version I think.  Very accurate, but much bigger than the Elecraft W1, and limited to QRP levels.

I think you can still get a WM2 through Milestone Technologies.  Check this link out:  http://www.ohr.com/

Dave W7AQK


From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 19:36:24 2015
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 17:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
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> You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.


The WM1 Computing Meter is a product of Autek Research. It is a very 
nice 20/200/2000 watt power/SWR meter with selectable average and peak 
reading capabilities. SWR and power are shown simultaneously on separate 
meters. This is a very good quality meter that I have used for many years.

For my QRP work I also have the OHR WM-2 wattmeter. It, too, is a 
quality instrument, and it allows you to make accurate forward and 
reverse power measurements on 10/1/0.1 watt scales. (SWR is not shown 
directly - it must be calculated from the power readings.)

Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 19:37:55 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Drift
In-Reply-To: <1421185933082-7597073.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Ed's experience is pretty common. When I was curious about that, I had
a similar experience. Enough to know not to ever worry about it again.
I have the TCXO.  73, Guy.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:52 PM, KD7PY <emoss98133 at msn.com> wrote:
> I just did a freq. calibration of my K3.
> with the dial set to 9.999.000 in usb for wwv at 10 mhz, that gave me a 1
> khz tone that I sent to the computer using Spectran that will show the freq
> of the audio. I was able to set thr REF CAL in the K3 to be within .03 cycle
> of dead beat. I calibrated my Xtal reference osc dead beat with wwv. and
> then set the K3 to 6 meters , dial set to 49.999.000 to give a 1 khz tone
> and checked the 5 harmonic of the xtal osc. and found that the K3 was only
> off 8.68 cycles.  due to the fact I was using the 5th harmonic of the xtal
> osc there is some small error. I did a freq drift check before doing the
> above and found my K3 had a drift of only 8.5 cycles over a 2 hour warm
> up.....
>
> to me this is darn good...
>
> Ed  KD7PY (ex K7WIA)
>
>
>
>
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From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jan 13 19:42:32 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:42:32 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
In-Reply-To: <54B5BA08.2070204@comcast.net>
References: <C477D74D714F431AA87F1370DC3597E1@TDYDell>
	<54B5BA08.2070204@comcast.net>
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The document that I found on the Elecraft Web site was IDENTICAL to the document for the current W1.  Except, it was called WM1.  Not only that, the contents of the two documents were as close to identical as my brief read through could determine.  And, not only that (ditto) but the photograph of the WM1 PCB and parts layout was IDENTICAL to the W1 PCB and parts layout with the exception of the label that said WM1.

So, this is definitely an Elecraft product.  Not some Autek Research thing nor some older Oak Hills WM-1 unless Elecraft totally renamed it and put their name on the PCB board!

I am guessing that the item was renamed from WM1 to W1 and maybe because there was discovered a name conflict with this Autek or Oak Hills product.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.
> 
> 
> The WM1 Computing Meter is a product of Autek Research. It is a very nice 20/200/2000 watt power/SWR meter with selectable average and peak reading capabilities. SWR and power are shown simultaneously on separate meters. This is a very good quality meter that I have used for many years.
> 
> For my QRP work I also have the OHR WM-2 wattmeter. It, too, is a quality instrument, and it allows you to make accurate forward and reverse power measurements on 10/1/0.1 watt scales. (SWR is not shown directly - it must be calculated from the power readings.)
> 
> Gus Hansen
> KB0YH
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jan 13 19:58:35 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:58:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
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Hmmm ... K3 1st IF is ~8 MHz.  Could pose some problems for generally 
available "<something>overIP" for many people.  I/Q sounds like a better 
way to go with a PX3?  I guess that would require an outboard quadrature 
demod at the "real" K3.

While I don't do remote stuff right now, we're eventually going to have 
to sell our 5 ac and move to a 1-story house, probably with CC&R's. 
Consequently, remote operation may be a part of my future.  Since I got 
the P3, it is the almost total focus of my concentration when operating 
... I would hate to lose the functionality.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/13/2015 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a
> P3/0 For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any
> given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say
> that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice
> Over IP. Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of
> the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would
> expect it to me a bit off a pricey option


From djones at telepak.net  Tue Jan 13 20:58:27 2015
From: djones at telepak.net ( Douglas Jones  N5GT)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:58:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. K2100, KAT100-1, MD2, HEX KEY
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	<543C8FA9.4030805@wi.rr.com>
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For Sale - K2100, S.N. 44xx, (KSB2, KNB2, KDSP2, K60XV, 
K160RX, dimple tuning knob)
               + (VCO shield mod, KPA100 upgrade mod, and 
K6XX CW indicator mod installed)
               + KAT100-1 external tuner  -  $1500.00

                MD2 hand mike  -  $50.00

                Elecraft HEX KEY  -  $150.00

Please contact off list  -  djones at telepak.net

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:15:26 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
In-Reply-To: <003301d02f80$108bef70$31a3ce50$@net>
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Jeff,

I am not certain how you could send the 8 MHz IF signal over an Ethernet 
link.
It may be possible to use some derivative of that signal - such as 
hardware using the output of the SVGA option to send the digitized 
result (SVGA signaling) of the IF passband to the control location, but 
to directly have the 8 MHz IF output replicated at the control site is 
much more complex and may be out of bounds for the FCC rules for amateur 
radio (8 MHz is not within the amateur radio spectrum allocation).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/13/2015 5:27 PM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote:
> I already own a K3/0 mini, RRC-1258, power supply, etc. I would sell all of this and buy a K3/0 mini, and remote box as you describe, 'IF' it had an IF out at the control end of the station. I really don't think this would be real hard for Elecraft to do, but the market would have to dictate... What do you think Wayne :-)
>
>


From k8xf4 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 13 22:52:12 2015
From: k8xf4 at verizon.net (Mike Zbrozek)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
Message-ID: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>



Hello group-

As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use 
a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?

Tnx in Advance

Mike Zbrozek, K8XF



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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 13 23:19:46 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:19:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
In-Reply-To: <4D9D5CF2-D817-4CCA-B8DC-6917595E598B@mac.com>
References: <C477D74D714F431AA87F1370DC3597E1@TDYDell>	<54B5BA08.2070204@comcast.net>
	<4D9D5CF2-D817-4CCA-B8DC-6917595E598B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <009401d02fb1$552ace90$ff806bb0$@earthlink.net>

Could it be as simple as a typo. Did you compare file dates?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:43 PM
To: Augie Gus Hansen; w7aqk at cox.net
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1

The document that I found on the Elecraft Web site was IDENTICAL to the document for the current W1.  Except, it was called WM1.  Not only that, the contents of the two documents were as close to identical as my brief read through could determine.  And, not only that (ditto) but the photograph of the WM1 PCB and parts layout was IDENTICAL to the W1 PCB and parts layout with the exception of the label that said WM1.

So, this is definitely an Elecraft product.  Not some Autek Research thing nor some older Oak Hills WM-1 unless Elecraft totally renamed it and put their name on the PCB board!

I am guessing that the item was renamed from WM1 to W1 and maybe because there was discovered a name conflict with this Autek or Oak Hills product.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.
> 
> 
> The WM1 Computing Meter is a product of Autek Research. It is a very nice 20/200/2000 watt power/SWR meter with selectable average and peak reading capabilities. SWR and power are shown simultaneously on separate meters. This is a very good quality meter that I have used for many years.
> 
> For my QRP work I also have the OHR WM-2 wattmeter. It, too, is a 
> quality instrument, and it allows you to make accurate forward and 
> reverse power measurements on 10/1/0.1 watt scales. (SWR is not shown 
> directly - it must be calculated from the power readings.)
> 
> Gus Hansen
> KB0YH
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 23:22:38 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 06:22:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
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I have the 400 and 1000 Hz filters. Turns out I almost never open it up past 400. 

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello group-
> 
> As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
> like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
> Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
> switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
> 
> Tnx in Advance
> 
> Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 13 23:23:26 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:23:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
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On Tue,1/13/2015 7:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek wrote:
> And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter? 

I'm primarily a contester, but also a DXer. My K3s have all 8-pole 
filters. 250 Hz and 400 Hz for CW, 1.8, 2.1, and 2.8 kHz for SSB. I 
bought the 1.8 kHz before the 2.1, and I like the 2.1 better.

Remember that these are ROOFING filters -- IF selectivity is set by 
turning a knob to control the DSP IF. The roofing filters do two things. 
Most important, they protect the DSP IF from overload by very strong 
signals very close to you frequency. Second, and also quite useful, 
their selectivity CASCADES with selectivity of the DSP IF. That means 
that when, for example, the IF is set to 250 Hz and the 250 Hz filter is 
switched in (it happens automatically) the skirts get nearly twice as 
steep. We have the rejection of the IF plus the rejection of the filter.

We can set the filter to switch in wherever we want, simply by defining 
it's bandwidth in the setup menu. I have my 250 Hz filter set to switch 
in at 350 Hz, and I do most CW operation with a 250 Hz IF setting. These 
are settings you can play with.

I use a 400 Hz IF for RTTY, except under conditions of extreme QRM, when 
I might narrow it down to 200 or 250 Hz.

Another important point. If you're not a contester, you may not need any 
roofing filters other than the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz TX filter. If that's the 
case, I'd hold off buying additional filters until you've decided that 
you need them.

Note that I didn't answer the question about 5-pole or 8-pole. I buy 
8-pole filters because it is my understanding that filters with more 
poles can be made to have flatter response in the passband. I started 
with 2.7 kHz 5-pole, and later bought a used K3 with an 8-pole 2.8 kHz 
filter in it. It is noticeably flatter when transmitting RTTY, and i've 
since replaced by 5-pole 2.7 kHz filter with the 2.8 kHz 8-pole filter.

73, Jim K9YC

From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Tue Jan 13 23:27:10 2015
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:27:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
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Message-ID: <A442AC95-37F6-4EBE-954B-4713BA1A2BD6@coastside.net>

Remember that these are roofing filters and what they do is keep strong adjacent signals out of the DSP and AGC. The final selectivity is set by the DSP WIDTH control. As you ratchet down the WIDTH the appropriate roofing filter is switched in automagically. 

That said, when I bought my K3 I added a single 400 Hz 8 pole thinking that I could add others later. That was 4 years ago. 

I've been trying to decide between a 700 Hz and 1 KHz filter for a while. Turns out that on CW the NR is more effective at those BWs and 2.7 KHz is too wide a door to leave open when chasing weak signals. 

I'm a 95% CW op, contester and DX chaser. 

HTH & 73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From edouard at lafargue.name  Tue Jan 13 23:29:29 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:29:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box?
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(First post on this reflector!)

   Well, an ethernet link can go up to 10Gbit on modern ethernet links, so
sending an 8MHz signal with a decent sampling rate and resolution is
definitely possible, but only on a local network... As an extreme, the
Arecibo radiotelescope uses RF over fiber all over the place, given its
dimensions, and they are more often than not in the GHz range!

    On the other hand, if you look at tools like websdr (
websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901), or the Open Source project ShinySDR (
https://github.com/kpreid/shinysdr) they simply do the FFT in the backend,
and just stream the image of the waterfall which for all practical purposes
works quite well - at least that would address the "remote P3/PX3" part to
a large extent. You would be able to visualize a very wide waterfall
remotely using a very reasonable bandwidth. So yes, a remote panadapter is
quite feasible...

My 2 cents, and hoping this brings value to the conversation :) (2 cents at
least)

Ed, W6ELA

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I am not certain how you could send the 8 MHz IF signal over an Ethernet
> link.
> It may be possible to use some derivative of that signal - such as
> hardware using the output of the SVGA option to send the digitized result
> (SVGA signaling) of the IF passband to the control location, but to
> directly have the 8 MHz IF output replicated at the control site is much
> more complex and may be out of bounds for the FCC rules for amateur radio
> (8 MHz is not within the amateur radio spectrum allocation).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/13/2015 5:27 PM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote:
>
>> I already own a K3/0 mini, RRC-1258, power supply, etc. I would sell all
>> of this and buy a K3/0 mini, and remote box as you describe, 'IF' it had an
>> IF out at the control end of the station. I really don't think this would
>> be real hard for Elecraft to do, but the market would have to dictate...
>> What do you think Wayne :-)
>>
>>
>>
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From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jan 13 23:34:00 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 20:34:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
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A typo that was repeated through the document and made its way to being labelled on the PCB!!

That is some typo.  Check the docs and I doubt you will think them as a typo.  Seems like a lot of opinions of people who think this is some other product of another company or a mistake.  But the document is still on the Elecraft web site and can be read.

The user guide has a date of 2006 and there is also a data sheet along with other mini-modules from Elecraft.  It is listed for $89.95.  I am convinced it was the older name of the W1.  Maybe some Elecraft person can confirm. 

PEH's iPad

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Could it be as simple as a typo. Did you compare file dates?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: Augie Gus Hansen; w7aqk at cox.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
> 
> The document that I found on the Elecraft Web site was IDENTICAL to the document for the current W1.  Except, it was called WM1.  Not only that, the contents of the two documents were as close to identical as my brief read through could determine.  And, not only that (ditto) but the photograph of the WM1 PCB and parts layout was IDENTICAL to the W1 PCB and parts layout with the exception of the label that said WM1.
> 
> So, this is definitely an Elecraft product.  Not some Autek Research thing nor some older Oak Hills WM-1 unless Elecraft totally renamed it and put their name on the PCB board!
> 
> I am guessing that the item was renamed from WM1 to W1 and maybe because there was discovered a name conflict with this Autek or Oak Hills product.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.
>> 
>> 
>> The WM1 Computing Meter is a product of Autek Research. It is a very nice 20/200/2000 watt power/SWR meter with selectable average and peak reading capabilities. SWR and power are shown simultaneously on separate meters. This is a very good quality meter that I have used for many years.
>> 
>> For my QRP work I also have the OHR WM-2 wattmeter. It, too, is a 
>> quality instrument, and it allows you to make accurate forward and 
>> reverse power measurements on 10/1/0.1 watt scales. (SWR is not shown 
>> directly - it must be calculated from the power readings.)
>> 
>> Gus Hansen
>> KB0YH
>> 
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 13 23:44:22 2015
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:44:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and Nifty Stands for KX3 / PX3
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Ed, the only thing my parts do versus the factory is they stick up from the face of the KX3 and PX3 towards the user so I would thing they will fit fine. 
Scott AK6Q
 
Please keep in mind I have a mounting solution that will be released in the next couple of weeks the beta testing is looking very good! and as I explain on the web page it will use RAM products for attaching to any surface imaginable  


On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:56 AM, "Dauer, Edward [via Elecraft]" <ml-node+s365791n7597055h39 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
  


Does anyone know if the Side-KX panels and covers are compatible with the 
Nifty KX3 and PX3 Desk Stands?  I have looked at the photos on the Side KX 
site but can?t tell for sure.  The fit between the KX3 and PX3 and their 
Nifty stands is pretty tight. 

Thanks, 

Ted, KN1CBR 



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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 00:25:38 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:25:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
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Peace Phil:
I don't doubt what you say. I'm sure you are familiar with Mr. Murphy. If the typo was made by document control and given to the RP (writer, tech, engineer, etc.) then that would explain the consistency of the error. Once created bad files are forever. Been there, done that.
73
Fred, AE6QL

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:34 PM
To: Fred Townsend
Cc: Augie Gus Hansen; w7aqk at cox.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1

A typo that was repeated through the document and made its way to being labelled on the PCB!!

That is some typo.  Check the docs and I doubt you will think them as a typo.  Seems like a lot of opinions of people who think this is some other product of another company or a mistake.  But the document is still on the Elecraft web site and can be read.

The user guide has a date of 2006 and there is also a data sheet along with other mini-modules from Elecraft.  It is listed for $89.95.  I am convinced it was the older name of the W1.  Maybe some Elecraft person can confirm. 

PEH's iPad

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Could it be as simple as a typo. Did you compare file dates?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Phil Hystad
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: Augie Gus Hansen; w7aqk at cox.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
> 
> The document that I found on the Elecraft Web site was IDENTICAL to the document for the current W1.  Except, it was called WM1.  Not only that, the contents of the two documents were as close to identical as my brief read through could determine.  And, not only that (ditto) but the photograph of the WM1 PCB and parts layout was IDENTICAL to the W1 PCB and parts layout with the exception of the label that said WM1.
> 
> So, this is definitely an Elecraft product.  Not some Autek Research thing nor some older Oak Hills WM-1 unless Elecraft totally renamed it and put their name on the PCB board!
> 
> I am guessing that the item was renamed from WM1 to W1 and maybe because there was discovered a name conflict with this Autek or Oak Hills product.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> You might be confusing the Elecraft W1 with the older Oak Hills WM-1 (and later model WM-2).  I don?t recall anything from Elecraft designated ?WM1?.
>> 
>> 
>> The WM1 Computing Meter is a product of Autek Research. It is a very nice 20/200/2000 watt power/SWR meter with selectable average and peak reading capabilities. SWR and power are shown simultaneously on separate meters. This is a very good quality meter that I have used for many years.
>> 
>> For my QRP work I also have the OHR WM-2 wattmeter. It, too, is a 
>> quality instrument, and it allows you to make accurate forward and 
>> reverse power measurements on 10/1/0.1 watt scales. (SWR is not shown 
>> directly - it must be calculated from the power readings.)
>> 
>> Gus Hansen
>> KB0YH
>> 
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Wed Jan 14 01:08:51 2015
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 06:08:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
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Hello Gentleman,
I am not a CW op. ?To my knowledge, 8 pole will give more passive IMD and lower NPR (see page 6 of the report below by AB4OJ):
http://www.ab4oj.com/test/docs/npr_test.pdf

73
Johnny VR2XMC
      ???? Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net>
 ???? "<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 ????? 2015?01?14? (??) 12:27 PM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   
Remember that these are roofing filters and what they do is keep strong adjacent signals out of the DSP and AGC. The final selectivity is set by the DSP WIDTH control. As you ratchet down the WIDTH the appropriate roofing filter is switched in automagically. 

That said, when I bought my K3 I added a single 400 Hz 8 pole thinking that I could add others later. That was 4 years ago. 

I've been trying to decide between a 700 Hz and 1 KHz filter for a while. Turns out that on CW the NR is more effective at those BWs and 2.7 KHz is too wide a door to leave open when chasing weak signals. 

I'm a 95% CW op, contester and DX chaser. 

HTH & 73,
Brian, K0DTJ


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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 03:21:05 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:21:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 250 Hz filter set to switch in at 350 Hz, and I do most CW operation with a
> 250 Hz IF setting. These are settings you can play with.

With the 8 pole CW filters there is a not so obvious method to the
madness here. We do the same thing as Jim with the "250" filter, but
here's some more stuff to add to the discussion.

The K3 8 pole filters are electrically the same as the 8 MHz IF INRAD
filters used in the FT1000MP. They went together with 455 kHz IF
filters also called 400 and 250. In series, they produced a 400 and
250 Hz CW overall bandwidth of exceptional sharpness and a combined
floor below the noise floor of most measuring instruments. In the K3,
the 455 kHz filters are replaced by the K3's DSP, and the 8 MHz
filters are now the roofing filters in a different mounting. Wayne
chose to retain the FT1000MP nomenclature for the filters, 400 and
250.

Used by themselves as they are in the K3, the "400" Hz is really a
440, and the "250" Hz is really a 330 Hz. I switch in the "400" Hz at
450 and the "250" at 350. This is a filter choice and setting adopted
by all the K3 "bringers" who operate NY3A multi-op in the CW contests,
including N4AF who lives there, and has a pair of K3's.

With the 400 and 250 offset tweaked to center them on the DSP
passband, the combined passband at 450 and 350 will transform a key
click to a spike, which the K3 handles nicely. The K3, with DSB NB set
to dSP t2-7 or t3.7, IF NB off, and CONFIG: AGC PLS set to nor, with
those filters and width settings one can nearly eliminate key clicks,
even from a loud station up or down only 400 Hz.

This is contesting-developed information, but it works well in any
setting. The roofing filter plus DSP is almost, but not quite as sharp
a passband as the MP's cascaded 8MHz/455 kHz filter combo. But it
takes a lab instrument to tell the difference, and the K3's DSP and
firmware driven features open up a whole new world for contesting
beyond the MP series. Before the K3, the MP was THE contesting radio.

I would note that in crowded contesting conditions, you pretty much
have to use a filter which matches the DSP setting. What gets by the
roofing filter can engage the "defensive" hardware AGC which is there
to keep input to the analog to digital conversion in the sweet range
of the AD device. This can become a problem with very loud signals
right at the edge of the DSP passband, if the roofing filter is not
close in bandwidth.

73 and good luck, Guy K2AV

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 14 04:58:27 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 04:58:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2
Message-ID: <948ab.4da8e123.41e797c3@aol.com>

Could someone tell me what the NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2  contains?    There 
appears to be very little discussion in  the ARCHIVES. I recently bought a 
used K2 and it would be helpful to have  some sort of guide for set up of 
the radio and operating shortcuts
 
Alan KB7MBI
Woodinville, WA

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Wed Jan 14 07:15:11 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini
Message-ID: <54B65DCF.60706@nycap.rr.com>

Does anyone use the K3/0 mini as a movable faceplate on their main desk? 
If so, how is it connected to the K3?

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jan 14 08:09:21 2015
From: gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com (Gary W. Hvizdak)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:09:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] 8 or 5 Pole cw filters
Message-ID: <000d01d02ffb$5058d480$f10a7d80$@cfl.rr.com>

K8XF writes ...

"As a cw opr ... I would like to know ..."

Hi Mike,

1)  If you are considering using the optional sub-RX for diversity
reception, then you might prefer INRAD's 8-pole filters simply because they
are already matched, i.e. their center frequencies are much tighter than
Elecraft's 5-pole filters.  (We're talking about tens of Hz for the INRAD
filters compare to more like a kHz for the Elecraft filters!)

2)  All SSB, CW, and digital TX is done via the "normal" SSB filter (either
2.8 kHz 8-pole or 2.7 kHz 5-pole).  Thus many guys will choose the 8-pole
2.8 kHz filter, that it might produce a slightly cleaner transmitted CW
signal.  This is more important if you run 500 Watts as opposed to 10 Watts.

3)  Due to the K3's architecture, it is sometimes desirable to have a
crystal filter whose width is close to your DSP passband setting.
Specifically when working a weak signal that's close to a strong one.
Otherwise, if the strong signal is inside the passband of your crystal
filter, it can cause AGC pumping and render the weak signal unreadable.
Your needs in this regard will depend on local band conditions.

4)  INRAD's 250 Hz filter is actually closer to 370 Hz wide at 6 dB down,
while their 400 Hz filter is about 435 Hz wide.  That's a difference of
roughly 21%, which IMHO is too similar to justify installing both.

5)  In addition to the INRAD CW filters offered by Elecraft (1000 Hz, 400
Hz, and 250 Hz), INRAD also offers 500 Hz via their website.  See
http://www.inrad.net/home.php?cat=140 

6)  In addition to the INRAD CW filters offered by Elecraft and INRAD,
WB2ART and I also offer 700 Hz.  Note that this is a special order item
which is currently in stock, but which usually entails a preorder waiting
list and a 14-week manufacturing lead-time.  See http://www.unpcbs.com  

7)  I suspect that guys who have the P3 (panadapter) tend to set a tighter
passband and in turn prefer narrower crystal filters.

73,
Gary  KI4GGX
webmaster, unpcbs.com


From kb2m at arrl.net  Wed Jan 14 08:19:34 2015
From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
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 Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
LP-Pan...
 All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
summer home.
 And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II  :-).
 

73 Jeff kb2m 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
Jensen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 19:59 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0

Hmmm ... K3 1st IF is ~8 MHz.  Could pose some problems for generally
available "<something>overIP" for many people.  I/Q sounds like a better way
to go with a PX3?  I guess that would require an outboard quadrature demod
at the "real" K3.

While I don't do remote stuff right now, we're eventually going to have to
sell our 5 ac and move to a 1-story house, probably with CC&R's. 
Consequently, remote operation may be a part of my future.  Since I got the
P3, it is the almost total focus of my concentration when operating ... I
would hate to lose the functionality.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/13/2015 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a
> P3/0 For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any 
> given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say 
> that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice 
> Over IP. Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of 
> the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect 
> it to me a bit off a pricey option

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From erw.edl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 10:33:22 2015
From: erw.edl at gmail.com (Eugene Worth)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
Message-ID: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>

OK, folks ? I?ve spent a couple of months gathering equipment, testing, packing, and unpacking radio stuff. Leaving at the end of next week for Bonaire, Netherlands Antilles. 

Headlines today, as a result of the terrorist activities and threats, talks of very high alerts for domestic and foreign travel. So, does anyone have opinions about the wisdom of taking radio/antenna equipment right now?

Thanks in advance. (My inclination at this point is that it will not be worth the hassle factor at this point in time. There will be other times ? I usually go annually in late January.)

gene
WG7GW



From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 11:22:18 2015
From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:22:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP316FFDBC40D2DEB8AB42FBB1410@phx.gbl>

Take it and don't worry.  Be prepared to power it (if it is battery 
powered) as you go through security if you carry it on the plane. They 
may ask a few questions about it... many times simply out of curiosity. 
   Checking it via luggage  may cause it to get an extra check but you 
won't know until you get your luggage.  Inventory everything in the 
luggage and take pictures of equipment if you are concerned about theft. 
Don't lock your luggage other than the locks that TSA and everyone else 
who wants one has a key for.  Check airline insurance coverage to be 
sure it is fully covered (Ham radio equip is expensive) in the event of 
theft. It may be worth paying for additional coverage if needed.

About 4.5 million people fly per day and that does not change 
significantly as the results of recent events.  Although the news would 
have you believe that nothing else in the world is going on besides what 
they broadcast, for the most part you won't even notice as you travel.

Nick
N1KMP



Eugene Worth wrote on 1/14/2015 9:33 AM:
> ...So, does anyone have opinions about the wisdom of taking radio/antenna equipment right now?


From htodd at twofifty.com  Wed Jan 14 12:05:27 2015
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:05:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini
In-Reply-To: <54B65DCF.60706@nycap.rr.com>
References: <54B65DCF.60706@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1501140904280.1161@chris.i8u.org>

Yes, but it's not as portable as you'd think. I have the whole remoterig
set up and I'm remoting a whole foot. It actually frees up a lot of
space on my desk.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015, W2BLC wrote:

> Does anyone use the K3/0 mini as a movable faceplate on their main desk? If 
> so, how is it connected to the K3?
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Wed Jan 14 12:12:12 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:12:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A6CDF02-5159-4E4F-8EE5-568B17A2669A@wjschmidt.com>

No problem. I do it all the time. Just expect it to be searched and have your papers granting permission to bring your equipment in handy. You may need them 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375
 
email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, folks ? I?ve spent a couple of months gathering equipment, testing, packing, and unpacking radio stuff. Leaving at the end of next week for Bonaire, Netherlands Antilles. 
> 
> Headlines today, as a result of the terrorist activities and threats, talks of very high alerts for domestic and foreign travel. So, does anyone have opinions about the wisdom of taking radio/antenna equipment right now?
> 
> Thanks in advance. (My inclination at this point is that it will not be worth the hassle factor at this point in time. There will be other times ? I usually go annually in late January.)
> 
> gene
> WG7GW
> 
> 
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Wed Jan 14 12:13:38 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:13:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP316FFDBC40D2DEB8AB42FBB1410@phx.gbl>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP316FFDBC40D2DEB8AB42FBB1410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FC820B0C-7AAB-47C5-B2B2-4773194BD23A@wjschmidt.com>

Never been asked to power my radio on in at least 25 Caribbean trips. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375
 
email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Nick Kemp <nkemp1165 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Take it and don't worry.  Be prepared to power it (if it is battery powered) as you go through security if you carry it on the plane. They may ask a few questions about it... many times simply out of curiosity.   Checking it via luggage  may cause it to get an extra check but you won't know until you get your luggage.  Inventory everything in the luggage and take pictures of equipment if you are concerned about theft. Don't lock your luggage other than the locks that TSA and everyone else who wants one has a key for.  Check airline insurance coverage to be sure it is fully covered (Ham radio equip is expensive) in the event of theft. It may be worth paying for additional coverage if needed.
> 
> About 4.5 million people fly per day and that does not change significantly as the results of recent events.  Although the news would have you believe that nothing else in the world is going on besides what they broadcast, for the most part you won't even notice as you travel.
> 
> Nick
> N1KMP
> 
> 
> 
> Eugene Worth wrote on 1/14/2015 9:33 AM:
>> ...So, does anyone have opinions about the wisdom of taking radio/antenna equipment right now?
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan 14 12:24:02 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:24:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1539L3O1qKTf=3796RvLEVOWZNERtmqCwf1mRGaTqhKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<54B5EF3E.5060304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CANckpc1539L3O1qKTf=3796RvLEVOWZNERtmqCwf1mRGaTqhKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B6A632.3040803@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,1/14/2015 12:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> With the 8 pole CW filters there is a not so obvious method to the
> madness here. We do the same thing as Jim with the "250" filter, but
> here's some more stuff to add to the discussion.

Thanks for that additional advice, Guy. Much appreciated.

73, Jim K9YC

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Wed Jan 14 12:39:58 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:39:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1501140904280.1161@chris.i8u.org>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1501140904280.1161@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <54B6A9EE.2040401@nycap.rr.com>

Does that mean all the wires and hardware that would be used for a real 
remote operation are needed just to get the faceplate on the desk for 
ease of use? Please explain - it has been very difficult to get this 
question answered.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line



From k1xx at k1xx.com  Wed Jan 14 13:30:55 2015
From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B6B5DF.3030201@k1xx.com>

Gene:
Take the radio. I traveled regularly to Bonaire for 4 or 5 years without
any difficulty.  For a change, last February I went to Montserrat with
my K3 and a suitcase full of antenna stuff.  The only "problem" was
leaving Montserrat when the young lady running the x-ray machine wanted
to inspect my suitcase.  I'm sure she had no clue what all the wires,
switches, etc. did, but she went through every little piece.  The K3 in
the pelican case didn't rate a second glance.

This past November I went to St. Croix and carried my K3 in a back pack
and an Alpha 76 in a pelican case.  When leaving KP2, they actually
pulled the K3 from my back pack, but when I said it was ham radio, the
TSA agent's eyes sort of lit up.  Seems ham radio was something he
wanted to try, so no problems.  The Alpha in the pelican case wasn't
challenged.  FWIW, I carry the Alpha's power transformer in a small
igloo cooler as a carry on.  That didn't rate more than a cursory look.

No one has ever asked me to turn on the K3. A friend does a lot of the
same traveling with equipment, and he's never been challenged to turn
anything on.

73 charlie, k1xx

On 1/14/2015 10:33 AM, Eugene Worth wrote:
> OK, folks ? I?ve spent a couple of months gathering equipment, testing, packing, and unpacking radio stuff. Leaving at the end of next week for Bonaire, Netherlands Antilles. 
>
> Headlines today, as a result of the terrorist activities and threats, talks of very high alerts for domestic and foreign travel. So, does anyone have opinions about the wisdom of taking radio/antenna equipment right now?
>
> Thanks in advance. (My inclination at this point is that it will not be worth the hassle factor at this point in time. There will be other times ? I usually go annually in late January.)
>
> gene
> WG7GW
>
>
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From shadle at katzenfisch.com  Wed Jan 14 13:32:41 2015
From: shadle at katzenfisch.com (John Shadle)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:32:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] NaP3 / CW Skimmer integration using only K3 as RX
Message-ID: <CAB3n5HLCiDatg7T4BdSNxjXtSkWFK_7GUot5UiaZCV43AAZUQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I know that I have seen a blog post by a non-US ham about doing this, but I
can't seem to locate concrete instructions on his site or elsewhere.

My setup is as follows.
- K3
- LP-Bridge to share serial ports for rig control and logging
- LP-PAN using NaP3
- E-MU 0202 USB sound card

NaP3 works fine with this setup, but I can't get CW Skimmer to load while
NaP3 is running. Once I shut down NaP3, I can run CW Skimmer with no issues.

Anyone have tips on how to use both NaP3 as well as CW Skimmer
simultaneously with this setup?

Thanks!
-john W4PAH
Madison, WI

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 14 14:11:01 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Charles Stampf via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:11:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Micro
Message-ID: <1598649257.696199.1421262661949.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

 I have available a RemoteRig RRC-Micro PC-Client available for sale.? I no longer have any RemoteRig units and therefore no need for this clever device.??Use your home RemoteRig equipped radio with your laptop and third party software for radio control.? I used it with Ham Radio Deluxe with great success. Unit comes with built in audio card, pus-to-talk, and USB cable.
$125.00 via PayPal.
Contact me off list for additional info.
Charlie, W4FI


From n4uw at chartertn.net  Wed Jan 14 14:15:32 2015
From: n4uw at chartertn.net (Luther Phillips)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] NaP3 / CW Skimmer intergration using only K3 as RX
Message-ID: <A8615069BC19402F8366223DDFA484BF@LPAsR>

Hi John:

Make sure you have the MME audio driver selected in both NaP3 & CW Skimmer. 
The ASIO driver does not allow sharing of the audio stream.

73,
Luther N4UW 


From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Wed Jan 14 14:48:21 2015
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:48:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <1A6CDF02-5159-4E4F-8EE5-568B17A2669A@wjschmidt.com>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>
	<1A6CDF02-5159-4E4F-8EE5-568B17A2669A@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <54B6C805.7000603@ve3syb.ca>

On 15-01-14 12:12 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
> Just expect it to be searched and have your papers granting permission to
> bring your equipment in handy. You may need them

Don't forget a copy of your amateur radio licence or operators certificates. 
When inventorying the equipment you are taking make sure to include any 
relevant serial numbers. Take one copy of the inventory list with you and 
leave one copy at home (just in case).

Years ago when I was travelling on business in to the US I was asked to 
power up the laptop I was carrying with me. Always a good idea to be 
prepared to power up the equipment one is taking in case you do get asked.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From ar at dseven.org  Wed Jan 14 14:56:50 2015
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:56:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini
In-Reply-To: <54B6A9EE.2040401@nycap.rr.com>
References: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1501140904280.1161@chris.i8u.org>
	<54B6A9EE.2040401@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B3iKDnShSTPtC-N5rx+rCHRVT5=wg+uGkez0Q_iG5zXOQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's not completely clear from the K3/0-mini documentation (which is
rather high-level), but it appears that it only has a TTL interface
(for connection to the RemoteRig box), and not RS232, so you wouldn't
be able to directly connect it to a K3 using a "null modem" cable, as
you could with the original K3/0. Perhaps you could build a
level-converter and make it work - I don't know if it's that simple or
not. It'd be a rather expensive "upgrade" anyway.....

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:39 AM, W2BLC <w2blc at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> Does that mean all the wires and hardware that would be used for a real
> remote operation are needed just to get the faceplate on the desk for ease
> of use? Please explain - it has been very difficult to get this question
> answered.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 15:03:27 2015
From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:03:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition to Bonaire ... Questions
In-Reply-To: <54B6C805.7000603@ve3syb.ca>
References: <8D6F33B8-509C-42A2-913E-47656F14C258@gmail.com>	<1A6CDF02-5159-4E4F-8EE5-568B17A2669A@wjschmidt.com>
	<54B6C805.7000603@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP62B048DE545776D122BB71B1410@phx.gbl>

Here is a post from a July 2014 TSA blog that may or may not be exactly 
pertinent today but is probably generally pertinent:

"Electronic devices are already screened daily, but now, security 
officers might ask that you power up your devices, including cell 
phones. Powerless devices will not be permitted onboard the aircraft, so 
it?s important to have them charged prior to going through security."

Their verbage seems poorly written. I was under the understanding that 
TSA may or may not ask for battery powered devices to be powered as a 
check.  The last comment about dead batteries is also important so make 
sure they are charged.  Regardless, it is no big deal if they do.

Nick N1KMP



From kd1ct at tds.net  Wed Jan 14 15:23:18 2015
From: kd1ct at tds.net (Robert Emory)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:23:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dxpedition to Bonaire
Message-ID: <EEA5E621-1BBB-458B-B91D-62BDDEBE60EB@tds.net>

My experience for what it's worth.

Took K3 to New Caledonia stopping in Dallas,
Brisbaine and Sydney.  In Boston where the
trip originated one person wanted to "see" the
radio but could not get it out of Rose's padded 
case so it was not examined.

New Caledonia back to Australia not one seemed
to care.

Flights back from Broome through Perth Sydney
and to Dallas no one cared.  In Dallas (probably
because I had very little time to catch the connecting
flight to Boston) I had to show the radio so it could
be checked for explosives.

Had brought a portable battery sufficient to power the
radio up only.  Never asked.

Had copies of my US license and permission to operate
in New Caledonia and Australia.  No one even asked.

Botton line, I suppose, is be prepared to provide whatever
the regulations indicate but my experience is that no one
really seemed to care.

Just my experience and hope yours is just as smooth.

Best,
Bob (KD1CT)

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 14 15:27:35 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alan KB7MBI via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: *****NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2*****
Message-ID: <da00.1dc90d55.41e82b37@aol.com>

I want to buy   NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2 
 
Either   ORIGINAL or high resolution  copy
 
PSE CONTACT ME DIRECT
_ardujenski at aol.com_ (mailto:ardujenski at aol.com) 
 
Thank you
 
Alan KB7MBI
Woodinville, WA
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: ARDUJENSKI at aol.com
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/14/2015  01:58:27 Pacific Standard Time
Subj: NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2


Could someone tell me what the NIFTY MINI MANUAL FOR K2  contains?    There 
appears to be very little discussion in  the ARCHIVES. I recently bought a 
used K2 and it would be helpful to have  some sort of guide for set up of 
the radio and operating  shortcuts
 
Alan KB7MBI
Woodinville,  WA


From k9fd at flex.com  Wed Jan 14 15:42:06 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:42:06 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dxpedition to Bonaire
In-Reply-To: <EEA5E621-1BBB-458B-B91D-62BDDEBE60EB@tds.net>
References: <EEA5E621-1BBB-458B-B91D-62BDDEBE60EB@tds.net>
Message-ID: <54B6D49E.3040602@flex.com>

All the past stories on where you went and had no TSA problems etc etc are
really quite worthless.   Have you been there in the past two days?
Did you notice that the TSA as of today is on high alert,  they are 
checking
anything and everything in the light of new terror threats against airlines.
They are pulling people out of line with any items suspicious and swabbing
hands for prior explosive handling.
There have been updated alerts in the past 24 hours.

I would still take the radio if you really want to operate,  but call 
ahead or look up the
latest TSA alert levels and be prepared for more inspection than normal.

What happened yesterday is not valid in todays world,  like it or not.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 15:48:18 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:48:18 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dxpedition to Bonaire
In-Reply-To: <54B6D49E.3040602@flex.com>
References: <EEA5E621-1BBB-458B-B91D-62BDDEBE60EB@tds.net>
	<54B6D49E.3040602@flex.com>
Message-ID: <CA+MFBaEjy4YGGjfQ-HRSdof1161j=dYMD3SyVtK5FPrCJ7+e7g@mail.gmail.com>

As a retired professional it is all about "body language and appearance"
sadly a sign of the world we live in.
I take my k3 everywhere i travel. Never had an issue BUT then it is NEVER
about radio, it is ALWAYS about people when you travel.
Enjoy the trip and be calm and talk politely to all.

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 15/01/2015 6:42 AM, "Merv Schweigert" <k9fd at flex.com> wrote:

> All the past stories on where you went and had no TSA problems etc etc are
> really quite worthless.   Have you been there in the past two days?
> Did you notice that the TSA as of today is on high alert,  they are
> checking
> anything and everything in the light of new terror threats against
> airlines.
> They are pulling people out of line with any items suspicious and swabbing
> hands for prior explosive handling.
> There have been updated alerts in the past 24 hours.
>
> I would still take the radio if you really want to operate,  but call
> ahead or look up the
> latest TSA alert levels and be prepared for more inspection than normal.
>
> What happened yesterday is not valid in todays world,  like it or not.
>
> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6
>
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From edouard at lafargue.name  Wed Jan 14 16:25:14 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:25:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

   Quick intro on the list, since I only very recently joined: Ed, W6ELA. I
have been a Ham for now a bit more than a year, and enjoying this hobby
tremendously. I do a lot of programming and electronics in my spare time as
well, and I am a long time Open Source guy.

   Related to the latter point, I have just launched "Wizkers", a new Rig
Controller open source project that supports the KX3, KXPA100 and PX3, and
runs on any computer that supports Google Chrome. Mac, Windows, Linux, it
doesn't matter, it works on every OS :) Even works on any Chromebook if you
have one around.

   I made a short presentation about it at the Palo Alto amateur radio club
last Friday, and got very good feedback, so I thought I would share with
the Elecraft community as a whole.

   If you want to check it out, head over to http://www.wizkers.io/ for
more details. You will find the link to the Google Chrome store at the
bottom of the page. The overall scope of Wizkers goes far beyond Ham radio,
but as Hams, you can focus on the rig control capabilities...

   This rig controller offers unique features such as a advanced KXPA100
monitoring and charting, a very realistic and fully working KX3 panel,
direct VFO input, and an audio waterfall. And it is compatible with fldigi
too!

    As an aside: besides working on any Chrome browser, you can also
install this on a BeagleBone and use this as a remote rig controller. I
have not implemented remote audio yet, but it is on the roadmap at some
point. If you have good programming skills in C++ and Javascript and would
like to contribute, you are most welcome! Get in touch with me :)

    I am very much looking forward to hearing back from this group on what
you all think of it!

73
Ed, W6ELA

PS: Yes, it is an Open Source project, which means it is free - as in
freedom - as much as it is free - as in free beer.

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jan 14 16:25:14 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:25:14 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
Message-ID: <201501142125.t0ELPtgs031586@denali.acsalaska.net>

Jeff and others:

I suspect recovering the P3 image remotely may take a bit of 
engineering as it is meant for local use.  I believe the P3 takes the 
K3 IF as input (and that is 8.215 MHz wideband RF).  The idea of 
using the LP-Pan may be better as one has broadband IQ output which 
could be sent to a soundcard for digitizing and transmission via the 
remote link in some manner.  That would provide the wideband digital 
IQ as data at the control station.  One would run their choice of 
panadaptor sw to view it.  But this would not be the P3 display.

Perhaps Elecraft may someday provide digital output from the P3 for 
remoting?  Obviously the P3 generates this at some point in the ckt.

I follow with mild interest.  My concept for a remote station is a 
full-station built into a toy-hauler trailer with foldover mast to 
set up antennas.  Then one only needs internet (wifi?) access at the 
remote site whether that be the cabin or a spare lot somewhere or a 
friend's backyard.  To be super-mobile remote add a satellite uplink 
to feed the internet (very common in the bush up here), and ...Think 
solar power.

73, Ed - KL7UW
I can see this unit parked in a storage lot someday with me an old 
codger living in assisted-living with a computer for control; 
essentially the same situation as someone with CC&R.

From: <kb2m at arrl.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
Message-ID: <004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

  Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
LP-Pan...
  All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
summer home.
  And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II  :-).


73 Jeff kb2m


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 14 16:47:08 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:47:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] W1 versus WM1
In-Reply-To: <48BF3109-D32D-411A-B9C9-52D6AA0A1805@mac.com>
References: <C477D74D714F431AA87F1370DC3597E1@TDYDell>	<54B5BA08.2070204@comcast.net>	<4D9D5CF2-D817-4CCA-B8DC-6917595E598B@mac.com>	<009401d02fb1$552ace90$ff806bb0$@earthlink.net>
	<48BF3109-D32D-411A-B9C9-52D6AA0A1805@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54B6E3DC.50709@elecraft.com>

I believe that is the case.

73,
Eric
elecraft.com

On 1/13/2015 8:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> A typo that was repeated through the document and made its way to being labelled on the PCB!!
>
> That is some typo.  Check the docs and I doubt you will think them as a typo.  Seems like a lot of opinions of people who think this is some other product of another company or a mistake.  But the document is still on the Elecraft web site and can be read.
>
> The user guide has a date of 2006 and there is also a data sheet along with other mini-modules from Elecraft.  It is listed for $89.95.

> I am convinced it was the older name of the W1.  Maybe some Elecraft person can confirm.
>
> PEH's iPad
>


From ar at dseven.org  Wed Jan 14 16:51:51 2015
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:51:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
In-Reply-To: <004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net>
References: <003301d02f80$108bef70$31a3ce50$@net>
	<1957322089.431934.1421191621550.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54B5BF3B.5010106@foothill.net>
	<004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B0gStPeOJH82zOVLJsmdV-byd4JTTtEqN2Y4gfpXodP+Q@mail.gmail.com>

I did experiment with this concept a couple of years ago. At the
remote site, I captured I/Q from a LP-Pan to a sound card, using ulaw,
and streamed that to the local PC, where I fed it (via VAC, I think)
into some "SDR" software (maybe NaP3). It worked, but it was a
bandwidth-hog. To get 192kHz with 16-bit samples, I think that adds up
to 6Mbps. I suspect that not many remote sites have that sort of
upstream b/w available....

73,

    ~iain / N6ML


On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:19 AM,  <kb2m at arrl.net> wrote:
>  Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
> control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
> output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
> send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
> soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
> don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
> LP-Pan...
>  All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
> will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
> summer home.
>  And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
> have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
> the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II  :-).
>
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
> Jensen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 19:59 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
>
> Hmmm ... K3 1st IF is ~8 MHz.  Could pose some problems for generally
> available "<something>overIP" for many people.  I/Q sounds like a better way
> to go with a PX3?  I guess that would require an outboard quadrature demod
> at the "real" K3.
>
> While I don't do remote stuff right now, we're eventually going to have to
> sell our 5 ac and move to a 1-story house, probably with CC&R's.
> Consequently, remote operation may be a part of my future.  Since I got the
> P3, it is the almost total focus of my concentration when operating ... I
> would hate to lose the functionality.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 1/13/2015 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a
>> P3/0 For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any
>> given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say
>> that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice
>> Over IP. Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of
>> the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect
>> it to me a bit off a pricey option
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jan 14 17:00:12 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:00:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
In-Reply-To: <CACDL7B0gStPeOJH82zOVLJsmdV-byd4JTTtEqN2Y4gfpXodP+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003301d02f80$108bef70$31a3ce50$@net>
	<1957322089.431934.1421191621550.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54B5BF3B.5010106@foothill.net>
	<004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net>
	<CACDL7B0gStPeOJH82zOVLJsmdV-byd4JTTtEqN2Y4gfpXodP+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C55BFDF9-4CD1-4FFA-B534-B1801A4AF719@wunderwood.org>

Two channels of 16-bit 192kHz audio compressed with FLAC should use around 500kbits/s. That is a chunk of bandwidth, but it is fairly reasonable for a remote site. Lossy compression would use less bandwidth, but it would put an artificial noise floor on the spectrum display. Probably not a good experience.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 14, 2015, at 1:51 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar at dseven.org> wrote:

> I did experiment with this concept a couple of years ago. At the
> remote site, I captured I/Q from a LP-Pan to a sound card, using ulaw,
> and streamed that to the local PC, where I fed it (via VAC, I think)
> into some "SDR" software (maybe NaP3). It worked, but it was a
> bandwidth-hog. To get 192kHz with 16-bit samples, I think that adds up
> to 6Mbps. I suspect that not many remote sites have that sort of
> upstream b/w available....
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ~iain / N6ML
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:19 AM,  <kb2m at arrl.net> wrote:
>> Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
>> control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
>> output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
>> send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
>> soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
>> don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
>> LP-Pan...
>> All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
>> will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
>> summer home.
>> And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
>> have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
>> the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II  :-).
>> 
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Jensen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 19:59 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
>> 
>> Hmmm ... K3 1st IF is ~8 MHz.  Could pose some problems for generally
>> available "<something>overIP" for many people.  I/Q sounds like a better way
>> to go with a PX3?  I guess that would require an outboard quadrature demod
>> at the "real" K3.
>> 
>> While I don't do remote stuff right now, we're eventually going to have to
>> sell our 5 ac and move to a 1-story house, probably with CC&R's.
>> Consequently, remote operation may be a part of my future.  Since I got the
>> P3, it is the almost total focus of my concentration when operating ... I
>> would hate to lose the functionality.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>> 
>> On 1/13/2015 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a
>>> P3/0 For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any
>>> given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say
>>> that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice
>>> Over IP. Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of
>>> the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect
>>> it to me a bit off a pricey option
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 14 17:17:28 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
Message-ID: <0NI600L2STX6H040@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>

One can use the svga and an avermedia hd game broadcaster capture card. You can then use their software to stream the video. 
73's Tom

On Jan 14, 2015 4:25 PM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>
> Jeff and others: 
>
> I suspect recovering the P3 image remotely may take a bit of 
> engineering as it is meant for local use.? I believe the P3 takes the 
> K3 IF as input (and that is 8.215 MHz wideband RF).? The idea of 
> using the LP-Pan may be better as one has broadband IQ output which 
> could be sent to a soundcard for digitizing and transmission via the 
> remote link in some manner.? That would provide the wideband digital 
> IQ as data at the control station.? One would run their choice of 
> panadaptor sw to view it.? But this would not be the P3 display. 
>
> Perhaps Elecraft may someday provide digital output from the P3 for 
> remoting?? Obviously the P3 generates this at some point in the ckt. 
>
> I follow with mild interest.? My concept for a remote station is a 
> full-station built into a toy-hauler trailer with foldover mast to 
> set up antennas.? Then one only needs internet (wifi?) access at the 
> remote site whether that be the cabin or a spare lot somewhere or a 
> friend's backyard.? To be super-mobile remote add a satellite uplink 
> to feed the internet (very common in the bush up here), and ...Think 
> solar power. 
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW 
> I can see this unit parked in a storage lot someday with me an old 
> codger living in assisted-living with a computer for control; 
> essentially the same situation as someone with CC&R. 
>
> From: <kb2m at arrl.net> 
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0 
> Message-ID: <004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;?????? charset="us-ascii" 
>
> ? Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the 
> control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ 
> output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to 
> send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer 
> soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I 
> don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the 
> LP-Pan... 
> ? All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I 
> will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my 
> summer home. 
> ? And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to 
> have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into 
> the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II? :-). 
>
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m 
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW 
> http://www.kl7uw.com 
> ???? "Kits made by KL7UW" 
> Dubus Mag business: 
> ???? dubususa at gmail.com 
>
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From marrotte at verizon.net  Wed Jan 14 18:28:45 2015
From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for two parts for recently purchased Vibroplex
	keys
Message-ID: <001801d03051$d7866de0$869349a0$@verizon.net>

Looking for two parts for recently purchased Vibroplex keys.

 

1.     1923 Vibroplex Original - need a weight.  Would like one suitable to
that era and in good condition.  The plating on this key is in very good
condition.

2.     1945 Vibroplex  Lightning Bug - Need one nut for the cord binding
post.  This key is in like new condition and so I'm hoping to find one that
looks like new.  Not one of the ones currently being sold by Vibroplex.
They sure don't look anything like the old ones.

 

If anyone has one or both of these items, please contact me off list.

 

I've been practicing with the Lightning bug and will be using it with my K3
soon.  I've had bugs in the past but have been using an iambic key for a
long time.  What a difference.  

 

Thanks,

 

Roger, W1EM


From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 18:37:56 2015
From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:37:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54A8A334.10603@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1421278676981-7597126.post@n2.nabble.com>

Another vote for VK here Jim, we tick all the boxes.
Maybe a trip to one of the VK9 call areas like maybe Lord Howe or Cocos -
Keeling Islands?
There's always northern VK4, VK6  or anywhere in VK8.
Come and see the rainforests in and around Cairns, head to VK8 for Ularu
(Ayers Rock), Alice Springs or Darwin or head to northern VK6 and visit
Broome, Port Headland or go anywhere in between.
And, if you're hanging out for a bit of snow, head south to Canberra or
Mount Kosiusko or any other of our snowfields.
We got it all, there is so much to see and do.
We speak the lingo, the licencing isn't a hassle, the people are (mostly)
friendly and it's cheap!
The US dollar is about $1.20 here and its getting better each day for you
folk to come on down!
We'd love to see ya!

Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
innisfail, Far North QLD
Australia (In case you didn't notice) :)




-----
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Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
K3 #4767

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From lanier.je at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 18:40:33 2015
From: lanier.je at gmail.com (James Lanier)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:40:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 synthesizer question
Message-ID: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>

Just curious. The synthesizer uses a DDS which feeds the PLL circuit. The DDS output is filtered through a 4 pole crystal filter to remove spurs. So why use a DDS at all? The only thing I can figure is that a DDS always has lower phase noise than the DDS reference oscillator. Is this why?

Jim


From davidahrendts at me.com  Wed Jan 14 18:44:46 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:44:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + iMic Sound Card = Wild Scan
In-Reply-To: <7C81CC35-8500-497E-A5A2-D8DFE39E6B2D@me.com>
References: <54AE774D.16139.C541F3@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>
	<7C81CC35-8500-497E-A5A2-D8DFE39E6B2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <04CB2BE9-86FD-46AF-BE04-42892FC5D673@me.com>

High fives to everyone who helped a dig-newby get up and running. Happy to say FLDigi is cookin? on the Mac Mini using a SignaLink sound card and a home brew cable to the KX3-KXPA100. Thanks especially to Dave, G0WBX, who provided detailed help. Had my first PSK QSO LA to Alberta last evening. Love digital with the KX3.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles


> On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:28 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Dave B <g8kbvdave at googlemail.com <mailto:g8kbvdave at googlemail.com>>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Date: January 8, 2015 at 4:25:49 AM PST
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 + iMic Sound Card = Wild Scan
>> 
>> Use a 4 pole jack plug too helps.
>> 
>> Tip, Ring, Ring, Sleve.
>> 
>> They are relatively easy to obtain.
>> 
>> You may also (probably will) need a resistive atenuator, and maybe a DC 
>> blocking cap between the iMic's line out, and the KX3's Mic input.   Or setting 
>> levels "gets tricky!"
>> 
>> For receive, there are other issues, using the Phones jack, mutes the rig's 
>> speaker.
>> 
>> Using the I/Q output, is another way, but I've had poor results with that.   I 
>> ended up making a cable that had a floating jack socket, to connect a small 
>> speaker or 'phones to, while using digimodes, that in turn connects to the Phone 
>> socket on the rig.
>> 
>> For Fldigi use, set the rig into USB and DATA A mode (turns off any/all TX/RX 
>> equalisation, but keeps the settings you have for voice modes.)
>> 
>> Set the rig's filters so that it passes just about everything between 100 and 
>> 3000Hz to the iMic.  Let Fldigi do all the heavy lifting.
>> 
>> Use USB for ALL Fldigi work, even if you are working on the "low bands".   If you 
>> need to swap tones (for some RTTY needs) use Fldigi's "Rev" button (lower 
>> right.)
>> 
>> If you have the USB<>KX3 serial lead, try using the K3 driver XML file 
>> (download from the Fldigi XML archives page  
>> http://www.w1hkj.com/xmlarchives.html <http://www.w1hkj.com/xmlarchives.html>)
>> 
>> Or try using Flrig also set to use a K3.   Hamlib results vary!
>> 
>> Then the frequency values in Fldigi follow what the rig is doing, much easier to 
>> use that way.
>> 
>> (The RIGCAT XML route is my preference, edited so that JUST the tuning and 
>> frequency data passes back/forth, I prefer to manipulate the radio's other 
>> settings by  mk1 fingers at this time.)
>> 
>> Note, the KX3 and K3 use a CAT protocol that is very similar to that used by 
>> Kenwood.   There is a lot you can do with it, but there are some significant 
>> differences!
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> 73.
>> 
>> Dave.  G0WBX.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> Set MIC BTN to OFF
>>> 
>>> That should fix it I think.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Jan 2015, at 02:53, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Strange one. Trying to make audio in and out connections with my Mac
>>>> Mini and
>>> my KX3 Line for use with cocoaModem and FLDigi. Mac Mini ?sees" the
>>> Mic, and responds to the RX I/Q stream from the PX3. BUT, when I
>>> connect the iMic to the KX3 MIC port, it sends the KX3 into a scan
>>> frequency mode. What am I doing wrong? > > David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA >
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 14 18:50:39 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:50:39 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 synthesizer question
In-Reply-To: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
Message-ID: <5F78F5C1-C481-4C81-860F-C641CDEF7B29@elecraft.com>

The PLL provides coarse tuning steps only. The DDS provides fine tuning steps. The DDS crystal filter removes spurs from the DDS, which would otherwise be seen in the PLL's output. (Many radios use DDS directly, with no PLL, leading to unwanted spurious responses in both RX and TX.)

The PLL's step size is on the order of 20 kHz. Since the DDS filter is much narrower, we have to constantly recalculate the PLL divider values as you tune the VFO. A lot of magic was required in firmware.

73,
Wayne
N6KW



On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:40 PM, "James Lanier" <lanier.je at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just curious. The synthesizer uses a DDS which feeds the PLL circuit. The DDS output is filtered through a 4 pole crystal filter to remove spurs. So why use a DDS at all? The only thing I can figure is that a DDS always has lower phase noise than the DDS reference oscillator. Is this why?
> 
> Jim



From karlerb7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 19:06:18 2015
From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 19:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
In-Reply-To: <1421278676981-7597126.post@n2.nabble.com>
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You could even operate from a site on the water first visited (by a European) by James Cook.

Karl, W3BF

Karl Erb
5253 Strathmore Ave
Kensington, MD 20895
301 456 6212

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA <jeffvk4xa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Another vote for VK here Jim, we tick all the boxes.
> Maybe a trip to one of the VK9 call areas like maybe Lord Howe or Cocos -
> Keeling Islands?
> There's always northern VK4, VK6  or anywhere in VK8.
> Come and see the rainforests in and around Cairns, head to VK8 for Ularu
> (Ayers Rock), Alice Springs or Darwin or head to northern VK6 and visit
> Broome, Port Headland or go anywhere in between.
> And, if you're hanging out for a bit of snow, head south to Canberra or
> Mount Kosiusko or any other of our snowfields.
> We got it all, there is so much to see and do.
> We speak the lingo, the licencing isn't a hassle, the people are (mostly)
> friendly and it's cheap!
> The US dollar is about $1.20 here and its getting better each day for you
> folk to come on down!
> We'd love to see ya!
> 
> Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
> innisfail, Far North QLD
> Australia (In case you didn't notice) :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
> K3 #4767
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 14 19:10:50 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 00:10:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
In-Reply-To: <C55BFDF9-4CD1-4FFA-B534-B1801A4AF719@wunderwood.org>
References: <C55BFDF9-4CD1-4FFA-B534-B1801A4AF719@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <1642651448.782597.1421280650477.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10076.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have another soft-rock kit coming (I foolishly sold my last one)
I've been thinking about tinkering around around with having the remoting it as a bit of a proof of concept.
Now if I can only find the time to put it together..... after all the other projects that I have simmering





      From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
   
Two channels of 16-bit 192kHz audio compressed with FLAC should use around 500kbits/s. That is a chunk of bandwidth, but it is fairly reasonable for a remote site. Lossy compression would use less bandwidth, but it would put an artificial noise floor on the spectrum display. Probably not a good experience.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 14, 2015, at 1:51 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar at dseven.org> wrote:

> I did experiment with this concept a couple of years ago. At the
> remote site, I captured I/Q from a LP-Pan to a sound card, using ulaw,
> and streamed that to the local PC, where I fed it (via VAC, I think)
> into some "SDR" software (maybe NaP3). It worked, but it was a
> bandwidth-hog. To get 192kHz with 16-bit samples, I think that adds up
> to 6Mbps. I suspect that not many remote sites have that sort of
> upstream b/w available....
> 
> 73,
> 
>? ? ~iain / N6ML
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:19 AM,? <kb2m at arrl.net> wrote:
>> Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
>> control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
>> output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
>> send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
>> soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
>> don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
>> LP-Pan...
>> All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
>> will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
>> summer home.
>> And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
>> have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
>> the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II? :-).
>> 
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Jensen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 19:59 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
>> 
>> Hmmm ... K3 1st IF is ~8 MHz.? Could pose some problems for generally
>> available "<something>overIP" for many people.? I/Q sounds like a better way
>> to go with a PX3?? I guess that would require an outboard quadrature demod
>> at the "real" K3.
>> 
>> While I don't do remote stuff right now, we're eventually going to have to
>> sell our 5 ac and move to a 1-story house, probably with CC&R's.
>> Consequently, remote operation may be a part of my future.? Since I got the
>> P3, it is the almost total focus of my concentration when operating ... I
>> would hate to lose the functionality.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> - Northern California Contest Club
>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
>> - www.cqp.org
>> 
>> On 1/13/2015 3:27 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> When you stop and think about it I really wonder if they could make a
>>> P3/0 For the most part much of the P3 screen does not change at any
>>> given moment.so if they only send the changes I would venture to say
>>> that much of it could besent over the wire much as we now send Voice
>>> Over IP. Using the current chips for multimedia and possible some of
>>> the open source CODEXsit may be a workable item, though I would expect
>>> it to me a bit off a pricey option
>> 
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 19:23:04 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:23:04 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Warm climate for a vacation/be-the-DX winter
	holiday?
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......or....cruise into Innisfail...yeah i said cruise.....it is always
raining and if by chace it is not....heck just sit fer a minute or three
and it will bucket down to make up for its bad manners by not greeting you
with a drenching....Grin

G'day Jeff....lol

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 15/01/2015 10:06 AM, "KarlErb" <karlerb7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You could even operate from a site on the water first visited (by a
> European) by James Cook.
>
> Karl, W3BF
>
> Karl Erb
> 5253 Strathmore Ave
> Kensington, MD 20895
> 301 456 6212
>
> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA <jeffvk4xa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Another vote for VK here Jim, we tick all the boxes.
> > Maybe a trip to one of the VK9 call areas like maybe Lord Howe or Cocos -
> > Keeling Islands?
> > There's always northern VK4, VK6  or anywhere in VK8.
> > Come and see the rainforests in and around Cairns, head to VK8 for Ularu
> > (Ayers Rock), Alice Springs or Darwin or head to northern VK6 and visit
> > Broome, Port Headland or go anywhere in between.
> > And, if you're hanging out for a bit of snow, head south to Canberra or
> > Mount Kosiusko or any other of our snowfields.
> > We got it all, there is so much to see and do.
> > We speak the lingo, the licencing isn't a hassle, the people are (mostly)
> > friendly and it's cheap!
> > The US dollar is about $1.20 here and its getting better each day for you
> > folk to come on down!
> > We'd love to see ya!
> >
> > Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
> > innisfail, Far North QLD
> > Australia (In case you didn't notice) :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
> > Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
> > K3 #4767
> >
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 14 20:01:00 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:01:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
Message-ID: <1421283660828-7597133.post@n2.nabble.com>

New BETA firmware for the P3/SVGA is available for download from:  P3/SVGA
BETA FIRMWARE <ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta/>  

Release notes: 

*MCU 01.34 / 1-8-2015*

* Added support for the SVGA noise blanker.
* Fixed a bug that occasionally caused a hesitation in resuming the display
updates when the K3 stops  transmitting.              
* Improved reliability of K3 commands received via RS-232.
   Eliminates firmware load error with older Mac versions of K3 Utility, and
reduces flash file load time in all cases.

*P3SVGA 01.21 / 1-5-2015*
* Added Noise Blanker.
* Developed a faster method of detecting K3 transmit/receive state changes.
Speeds up display resuming after Tx. 
* Added data terminal ?send on space? to the available data TX modes.
* Added replay of keyboard input using Ctrl-Alt-R. Ctrl-C will clear replay
buffer.
* Added ?\r? to embed a CR in text message. Use ?\\? to send a single ?\?.
* Added ?\c? to embed an incrementing serial counter in a text message.
Clearing/presetting counter may be done in the setup screen (Ctrl-Alt-S).
* Text messages sent in data terminal mode now respect the mode setting
(VOX, CR, ^T).
* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing the time-out to not
reset correctly.
* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing non-existent characters
to be retrieved and sent. Also fixes a bug of missing characters.
* Added waterfall cursors, these display exactly as they do on the P3
screen.

73, 

Paul





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From w2lj at verizon.net  Wed Jan 14 20:30:14 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:30:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC 160 Meter Sprint Thursday Night
Message-ID: <590861.29120.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

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From fritzejohn at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:36:19 2015
From: fritzejohn at gmail.com (John Fritze)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 20:36:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Travel with ham radio gear
Message-ID: <49F16506-A480-4B43-9032-4F41570CFDA3@gmail.com>

My son flew today from Maryland DC to Puerto Rico with no problems.

Sent from my iPad

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 01:07:53 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:07:53 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
In-Reply-To: <201501142125.t0ELPtgs031586@denali.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501142125.t0ELPtgs031586@denali.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <5FC24713-2B04-4F3E-A6FF-9AA7085D5600@gmail.com>

My idea was similar -- a box containing a transceiver and wireless link with an antenna on top. All you would need to provide is power (could be solar) and wireless signal (could be 3G).
The box could be placed on the roof of your house, a nearby tall building, or a mountain peak. Think terrestrial satellite.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> Jeff and others:
> 
> I suspect recovering the P3 image remotely may take a bit of engineering as it is meant for local use.  I believe the P3 takes the K3 IF as input (and that is 8.215 MHz wideband RF).  The idea of using the LP-Pan may be better as one has broadband IQ output which could be sent to a soundcard for digitizing and transmission via the remote link in some manner.  That would provide the wideband digital IQ as data at the control station.  One would run their choice of panadaptor sw to view it.  But this would not be the P3 display.
> 
> Perhaps Elecraft may someday provide digital output from the P3 for remoting?  Obviously the P3 generates this at some point in the ckt.
> 
> I follow with mild interest.  My concept for a remote station is a full-station built into a toy-hauler trailer with foldover mast to set up antennas.  Then one only needs internet (wifi?) access at the remote site whether that be the cabin or a spare lot somewhere or a friend's backyard.  To be super-mobile remote add a satellite uplink to feed the internet (very common in the bush up here), and ...Think solar power.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> I can see this unit parked in a storage lot someday with me an old codger living in assisted-living with a computer for control; essentially the same situation as someone with CC&R.
> 
> From: <kb2m at arrl.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 all in one box? + P3/0
> Message-ID: <004801d02ffc$bda1dc70$38e59550$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Sorry for my confusion, I was thinking IQ as the usable form of IF at the
> control site, not the raw 8 mHz IF. My idea would be to somehow get the IQ
> output from a LP-Pan or similar device, add another box on either end to
> send and receive the IQ data, then simply use the control stations computer
> soundcard and run your panadapter software of choice. Only problem here is I
> don't have a clue on what to use for the remoting of the IQ output from the
> LP-Pan...
> All this non-portable, not suited for hotel room use would work for me as I
> will be at a desktop computer for 6 months or so while remoting from my
> summer home.
> And of course to not stray from the original topic, it would be nice to
> have the control station use a P3 with the extra data lines intergraded into
> the 1258, or K3/0 mini mark II  :-).
> 
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>    "Kits made by KL7UW"
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>    dubususa at gmail.com
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From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Thu Jan 15 05:29:50 2015
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:29:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the K3 drift??
Message-ID: <30158244.15108.1421317790941.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

I noticed this question somewhere and I decided to conduct a small experiment. Now I have K3 serial 6990 with the KTCXO3-1  TCXO                              
I have a 10MHz signal source locked to Droitwich in the UK and stable to about 1Hz in 100MHz. So I set up the K3 to hear the 10MHz signal and monitored the sidetone on my frequency counter (which I had let warm up for well over an hour). It varied between 598 and 605Hz - a change of 7Hz over a 1hour period when the room was warming up and the K3 had been turned on from cold overnight.
BTW the K3 display remained unchanged throughout this time.
I have no reason to assume my K3 drifts as the drift I observed was well within the experimental error of my measuring process. I don't have the quality of instrumentation to achieve a more accurate result but from what I saw there is no problem. Clearly YMMV.
Andy G4HUE

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 08:33:19 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:33:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] 8 or 5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <000d01d02ffb$5058d480$f10a7d80$@cfl.rr.com>
References: <000d01d02ffb$5058d480$f10a7d80$@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1CWy5L+LKoyAzXEb1_TyF7UiuhC2Z=g7NwfzUzSmjZdw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Gary W. Hvizdak
<gary.hvizdak at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 4)  INRAD's 250 Hz filter is actually closer to 370 Hz wide at 6 dB down,
> while their 400 Hz filter is about 435 Hz wide.  That's a difference of
> roughly 21%, which IMHO is too similar to justify installing both.

There is a CW contesting reason for installing BOTH the 8 pole "400"
and the 8 pole "250": Hearing off frequency callers vs. having your
run frequency squeezed. This may not apply to you and Gary is
well-taken in his advice unless the following might apply to you.

In any contest, when running (calling CQ) there will be a sizable
number of people calling well high or low. Some have attributed it to
rigs that have poorly adjusted or defective TX offset. I suppose there
is some of that in older rigs. What I think is at root is something
more akin to color blindness, but for the ear: inability to closely
distinguish two different tones, or some degree of what some call
tone-deafness.

I think there are wide variants of this. All one has to do to be
convinced of this is to listen to a primary school orchestra, and the
variation of tonality around a string instrument note. There is a
gradual spectrum of tone distinguishing from perfect pitch to not
being able to tell the difference between 500 and 700 Hz at all. So
off frequency calling is not going away, and you either work these
folks or you don't. In a contest you work anything that moves. Calling
high or low, so weak you strain to even get a call, you try to work
them all.

When I initially pick a run frequency, I listen to find a space where
I don't hear anyone else in the 450 bandwidth. As things go, there
will usually be squeezing in later, particularly if the band you're on
becomes the main open band. When I get squeezed, I drop to the 350
bandwidth, and use the shift control as needed. With the sharp 8 pole
filters and skirt alignment, the 10 Hz granularity in shift can reduce
the offending signal about an S unit per 10 Hz shift. And for off
frequency callers this still allows you to hear most of the same
"radio real estate" as the 450 Hz setting.

There have been some number of times on 40m at NY4A where a particular
very loud Italian station (same guy contest after contest) would
establish his run frequency up about 300-350 Hz from me. He also had
moderate key clicks. I would switch to 350 Hz width (invoking the
"250" filter), and shift down 20 or 30 Hz, Plus set NB on with
settings DSP t2-7 and IF off, and I was able to copy very weak
stations not dead on my TX frequency in spite of him. Have gone on for
three or four hours like that with no drop in rate. I hear him weakly
at edge of passband, but not loud enough to keep me from copying
in-passband.

The way it worked was that the settings, particularly with the shift
offset, had the offender WELL DOWN ON THE SKIRTS OF THE ROOFING
FILTER, as well as the DSP, and so they could not pump the hardware
AGC.

It should be noted that some contesters will start with 1/3 kHz run
frequency spacing instead of 1/2 kHz apparently using the 350 width
setting.

My Filters:

Main: 2.7, 1.8, "400", "250", 200
Sub:  6.0, 2.7, 1.8, "400", "250"

The way these look in the filter settings:

Main: 2.7, 1.8, 450, 350, 200
Sub:  6.0, 2.7, 1.8, 450, 350

The 600 is for AM BC when it is good, otherwise I use 2.7 or 1.8 SSB
for listening to AM.
2.7 is required by K3 design, used for casual SSB.
1.8 is SSB contesting.
450 and 350 discussed above.
The 200 is for digging out the DX in a pileup, including S&P in a
contest. It has a gradual sharp shape which is good for that, better
than a flat top to the filter response.

Using 1.8, 450 ("400") and 350 ("250") filters I make extensive use of
diversity which needs identical passbands in main and sub RX to work
best. In S&P with diversity will often use 250 width (350 roofer), and
do not want to engage the dissimilar 200.

73, Guy.

From beford at myfairpoint.net  Thu Jan 15 08:53:46 2015
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:53:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 synthesizer question
Message-ID: <D61F25CAD9EA46DAB645FE4D3C18F4A8@HPE250f>

> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KW

Wayne,
Have you sworn off QRP? Looks like a QRO call sign change to me ?
8-)
72/73,
Bruce N1RX




From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Thu Jan 15 09:40:37 2015
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 14:40:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>

Will an iOS version be coming out?



> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name> wrote:
> 
>   Related to the latter point, I have just launched "Wizkers", a new Rig
> Controller open source project that supports the KX3, KXPA100 and PX3, and
> runs on any computer that supports Google Chrome. Mac, Windows, Linux, it
> doesn't matter, it works on every OS :) Even works on any Chromebook if you
> have one around.
> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 15 09:57:07 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:57:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 synthesizer question
In-Reply-To: <D61F25CAD9EA46DAB645FE4D3C18F4A8@HPE250f>
References: <D61F25CAD9EA46DAB645FE4D3C18F4A8@HPE250f>
Message-ID: <6D39D48D-BA70-42F2-9801-7522A5BF862F@elecraft.com>

Semantic leakage. At Sears I was coveting a 4K TV. 

Wayne
"KR"


----
http://www.elecraft.com

On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:53 AM, "Bruce Beford" <beford at myfairpoint.net> wrote:

>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KW
> 
> Wayne,
> Have you sworn off QRP? Looks like a QRO call sign change to me ?
> 8-)
> 72/73,
> Bruce N1RX
> 
> 
> 
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From edouard at lafargue.name  Thu Jan 15 10:20:06 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:20:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
In-Reply-To: <09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>
References: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsVbUZrx6Q2GLgLQk3rPuD_mjS5Y7W8kX=Lgt3_bs_-t0A@mail.gmail.com>

Stay tuned on that one... I have a Pignology unit that could be used for
the iOS version - Apple won't let you connect a USB or serial device to
their own devices...

Ed w6ela
On Jan 15, 2015 6:40 AM, "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu> wrote:
>
> Will an iOS version be coming out?
>
>
>
>

From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Thu Jan 15 12:57:23 2015
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsVbUZrx6Q2GLgLQk3rPuD_mjS5Y7W8kX=Lgt3_bs_-t0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>,
	<CAJVEXsVbUZrx6Q2GLgLQk3rPuD_mjS5Y7W8kX=Lgt3_bs_-t0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C2A5C52-3425-4AA6-BDBB-6CA2D2F91EB5@liberty.edu>

Actually you can. The camera kit includes stereo speaker and microphone connections, so that a USB sound card can be connected. This is how iSDR for iOS works. (In fact it works great.)

Jeff - KG7HDZ



On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name<mailto:edouard at lafargue.name>> wrote:


Stay tuned on that one... I have a Pignology unit that could be used for the iOS version - Apple won't let you connect a USB or serial device to their own devices...

Ed w6ela
On Jan 15, 2015 6:40 AM, "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu<mailto:jthorpe at liberty.edu>> wrote:
>
> Will an iOS version be coming out?
>
>
>
>

From pfizenmayer at q.com  Thu Jan 15 13:41:21 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 11:41:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  K3 Drift
Message-ID: <8EC3757ACEF541058A0B9A85F1E18F1B@HANKPC>

FWIW - I happened to check my  K3 last night  - it had been on for a couple
hours  and it had drifted off about 4 cycles at 10 mhz  from where I set it
about 6 months ago - I have the  KTCXO3-1TCXO  - that amount of movement is 
most likely crystal
aging - the K3 is just over a year old.

I have not done any short term measurements - but I think this topic has 
cursed my K3 - or its just coincidence  , but I have heard or worked about 4 
guys in last week that their tx  freq apparently moved about 50 cycles 
always up in freq - not a jump - a fast 2 or 3 second  drift while they were 
transmitting . Never noticed that on anybody until this came up !!!  For now 
I am gonna ignore it and hope it goes away .

73 Hank K7HP 


From edouard at lafargue.name  Thu Jan 15 13:59:30 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:59:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
In-Reply-To: <3C2A5C52-3425-4AA6-BDBB-6CA2D2F91EB5@liberty.edu>
References: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>
	<CAJVEXsVbUZrx6Q2GLgLQk3rPuD_mjS5Y7W8kX=Lgt3_bs_-t0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C2A5C52-3425-4AA6-BDBB-6CA2D2F91EB5@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsXSQRQE+zXD9Sg_GUFdCA-cLek8QZW+hSZ5tKi-w-=W-Q@mail.gmail.com>

    That's correct, Jeff, some USB devices are OK like sound cards.
Unfortunately, USB serial devices are not permitted, so rig control will be
tricky. There are workarounds like the Pignology, or more recently
Bluetooth LE with which Apple decided to be more open for some reason. On
Android, on the other hand, as long as your device supports USB in "OTG"
mode, all is fine.

   Looks like I need to put the Android/iOS release higher in my priority
list :)

Ed, W6ELA

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <jthorpe at liberty.edu>
wrote:

>  Actually you can. The camera kit includes stereo speaker and microphone
> connections, so that a USB sound card can be connected. This is how iSDR
> for iOS works. (In fact it works great.)
>
>  Jeff - KG7HDZ
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name>
> wrote:
>
>   Stay tuned on that one... I have a Pignology unit that could be used
> for the iOS version - Apple won't let you connect a USB or serial device to
> their own devices...
>
> Ed w6ela
> On Jan 15, 2015 6:40 AM, "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jthorpe at liberty.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Will an iOS version be coming out?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From m5kvk at m5kvk.org  Thu Jan 15 14:07:21 2015
From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:07:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB2 Problem Continued
Message-ID: <CAPFkiasWW3sRJepvCaY3w_2iJt40mZOfYTmRZ8bJWb-p_MoxWQ@mail.gmail.com>

K2 S/N 03885

Symptoms: low power and no ALC action when on SSB.

CW
With E= 13.0V on the K2 display, if I transmit CW into a dummy load PWR=10
gets me 10W according to my un-calibrated power meter and draws 2.3A (40m).

SSB
If I inject 1kHz sinewave into the Mic socket, for 100mV pp i/p I see about
6W out. Current varies between 1.9 and 2.2A and E comes down to 12.5 under
load.

Interestingly, there's zero action on the bargraph in ALC mode.

Needing 100mV to get 60% of set power seems high. I thought I should get
100% with 50mV. Even with 1.6V pp i/p, I only see 8W o/p

73 Gareth

From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Thu Jan 15 14:19:17 2015
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 19:19:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 rig controller
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsXSQRQE+zXD9Sg_GUFdCA-cLek8QZW+hSZ5tKi-w-=W-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWohMd5gcdmM1WqL6bphB2XPmpP7iYq=srNZPzNzSLBpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<09BBBF09-3A6E-4141-B8D5-4E15109B30FE@liberty.edu>
	<CAJVEXsVbUZrx6Q2GLgLQk3rPuD_mjS5Y7W8kX=Lgt3_bs_-t0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C2A5C52-3425-4AA6-BDBB-6CA2D2F91EB5@liberty.edu>
	<CAJVEXsXSQRQE+zXD9Sg_GUFdCA-cLek8QZW+hSZ5tKi-w-=W-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BCC788A-2430-446B-AE62-1506D55DB4D0@liberty.edu>

I understand the difference now. Thank-you Ed. I am looking forward to this.

Jeff - KG7HDZ


> On Jan 15, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name> wrote:
> 
> 
>     That's correct, Jeff, some USB devices are OK like sound cards. Unfortunately, USB serial devices are not permitted, so rig control will be tricky. There are workarounds like the Pignology, or more recently Bluetooth LE with which Apple decided to be more open for some reason. On Android, on the other hand, as long as your device supports USB in "OTG" mode, all is fine.
> 


From rpfjeld at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 15 14:45:30 2015
From: rpfjeld at embarqmail.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:45:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
In-Reply-To: <1421283660828-7597133.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421283660828-7597133.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54B818DA.1070807@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Glad to see this. I look forward to trying it as soon as I can do it.
Glad to see the fix for missing characters. If replay of keyboard input 
is what I think it is,
that will be greatly appreciated. It is often needed.

Thanks for all,
Dick, n0ce

On 1/14/2015 7:01 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
> New BETA firmware for the P3/SVGA is available for download from:  P3/SVGA
> BETA FIRMWARE <ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta/>
>
> Release notes:
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 15 16:13:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KSB2 Problem Continued
In-Reply-To: <CAPFkiasWW3sRJepvCaY3w_2iJt40mZOfYTmRZ8bJWb-p_MoxWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiasWW3sRJepvCaY3w_2iJt40mZOfYTmRZ8bJWb-p_MoxWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B82D75.7080207@embarqmail.com>

Gareth,

Yes, 100mV audio should be adequate to drive the KSB2.
Do you have the K2 wired to use an Elecraft or Icom microphone?  If so, 
try lifting the bias resistor to see if the DC bias is interfering with 
the output level of your audio generator - instead of lifting the bias 
resistor, you could put a capacitor (1 to 10uF) between the signal 
generator and the K2 mic input.

I need to know which KSB2 board you have installed (there are 3 
different ones and you can only tell me what I need to know by physical 
inspection of KSB2 U3.
First, is this a new KSB2 board (purchased within the last year) or is 
it the older type with an SM2165 at U3?  Is U3 an SMD component or is it 
a thru-hole device?

Your first check should be to measure the DC voltages to KSB2 U3 - they 
should agree with the voltages listed in the KSB2 manual.
If the voltages are not within reasonable agreement with the chart, then 
U3 is your problem.

Did your KSB2 board work properly in the past?  If so, something has 
failed and the challenge is to find it.
OTOH, if this is a newly built board that has never worked before, check 
all the components for proper values and placement and check all diodes 
for proper orientation.

If all else fails, do you have access to an oscilloscope with a 10x 
probe?  If so, I can give you some typical AC voltage values at given 
points along the signal path to isolate the problem to a particular stage.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/15/2015 2:07 PM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
> K2 S/N 03885
>
> Symptoms: low power and no ALC action when on SSB.
>
> CW
> With E= 13.0V on the K2 display, if I transmit CW into a dummy load PWR=10
> gets me 10W according to my un-calibrated power meter and draws 2.3A (40m).
>
> SSB
> If I inject 1kHz sinewave into the Mic socket, for 100mV pp i/p I see about
> 6W out. Current varies between 1.9 and 2.2A and E comes down to 12.5 under
> load.
>
> Interestingly, there's zero action on the bargraph in ALC mode.
>
> Needing 100mV to get 60% of set power seems high. I thought I should get
> 100% with 50mV. Even with 1.6V pp i/p, I only see 8W o/p
>
>


From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Thu Jan 15 16:32:37 2015
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 21:32:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta - more test results
Message-ID: <24881364.77495.1421357557627.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

So I reloaded the P3 beta and went thru some tests as follows to try to reproduce the external screen freeze:
took the svga option and then selected and tried each entry in sequence with no problems. Did NOT try the ubmp, urst, usav as I had no usb device attached. 
RX data window size OK
TX data window size changed to 0 and when I did the P3 screen showed a blank area under the spectrum display BUT the external screen was fine (normal display). Rebooting the P3 fixed this.
Got the external screen to freeze again by adjusting the waterfall function and then going into svga option and toggling external display on and off. It toggled off but then froze when toggled back on. Once again rebooting the P3 and all was well.
Anytime I play with waterfall colour bias and then toggle external display on and off the external display freezes.
Hope the above is of use when bug finding.
Andy G4HUE

From raysills3 at verizon.net  Thu Jan 15 17:00:48 2015
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:00:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <54B521A8.5060005@nycap.rr.com>
References: <661788618.402837.1421152684220.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<54B521A8.5060005@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <585B6907-CCF4-4CDC-A8E3-4E6AC1886E42@verizon.net>

I have to disagree with Bill..... and agree with Jim, K9YC.  In the  
audio world, Behringer has out and out "stolen" the designs and types  
of products made by Mackie.  They sell them cheaper, and sometimes  
they work OK.  But they are pale copies of the real thing.  IMO, it's  
worth the modest extra expense to get better quality.

Yeah, sometimes I use "cheap" tools.... if the application is not  
critical, or only needed once.  But if you plan to use something again  
and again, it pays to buy tools of quality.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:46 AM, W2BLC wrote:

> The only name you need to know is Behringer - station speakers,  
> audio panels, etc. Bulletproof!
>
> Bill W2BLC - K-Line
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 15 17:33:57 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 22:33:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <585B6907-CCF4-4CDC-A8E3-4E6AC1886E42@verizon.net>
References: <585B6907-CCF4-4CDC-A8E3-4E6AC1886E42@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1086387307.1908149.1421361237518.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>>> They sell them cheaper <<<
Ray, do you know of anyone other than a Ham who likes things CHEEEEAP??
>>>> But if you plan to use something again? 
and again, it pays to buy tools of quality. <<<<
?" Mighty Fine Junk" should have been out of business a loooong time ago.
>>>>> In the? audio world, <<<<<
But! we are not talking about the "Audio" world here.We are talking about " Ham Radio "? 
And! Ham Radio and Quality Audio of the Audio world are oxymoron.
If you should take a survey, you would find that a great percentage of OP use Behringer Mixer, and 
they'll be the first to tell that they are not looking for a flat audio.
((((73)))) Milverton. 




      From: Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
   
I have to disagree with Bill..... and agree with Jim, K9YC.? In the? 
audio world, Behringer has out and out "stolen" the designs and types? 
of products made by Mackie.? They sell them cheaper, and sometimes? 
they work OK.? But they are pale copies of the real thing.? IMO, it's? 
worth the modest extra expense to get better quality.

Yeah, sometimes I use "cheap" tools.... if the application is not? 
critical, or only needed once.? But if you plan to use something again? 
and again, it pays to buy tools of quality.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:46 AM, W2BLC wrote:

> The only name you need to know is Behringer - station speakers,? 
> audio panels, etc. Bulletproof!
>
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 17:47:13 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:47:13 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <1086387307.1908149.1421361237518.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Jim is 100% accurate.
I know when Behringer gear is being used because to my ears and many others
i have spoken to the audio is sharp and/or muffled with excessive bass.
Listened to oos trying to get it adjusted while on air and it always ends
up sounding lousy to my ears.
I will not bother to comment on the bandwidth.....nuff said already on this
subject suffice to say woeful.

Gary
Vk1ZZ
K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3.
On 16/01/2015 8:34 AM, "Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft" <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> >>> They sell them cheaper <<<
> Ray, do you know of anyone other than a Ham who likes things CHEEEEAP?
> >>>> But if you plan to use something again
> and again, it pays to buy tools of quality. <<<<
>  " Mighty Fine Junk" should have been out of business a loooong time ago.
> >>>>> In the  audio world, <<<<<
> But! we are not talking about the "Audio" world here.We are talking about
> " Ham Radio "
> And! Ham Radio and Quality Audio of the Audio world are oxymoron.
> If you should take a survey, you would find that a great percentage of OP
> use Behringer Mixer, and
> they'll be the first to tell that they are not looking for a flat audio.
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>
>
>
>       From: Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:00 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
>
> I have to disagree with Bill..... and agree with Jim, K9YC.  In the
> audio world, Behringer has out and out "stolen" the designs and types
> of products made by Mackie.  They sell them cheaper, and sometimes
> they work OK.  But they are pale copies of the real thing.  IMO, it's
> worth the modest extra expense to get better quality.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I use "cheap" tools.... if the application is not
> critical, or only needed once.  But if you plan to use something again
> and again, it pays to buy tools of quality.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:46 AM, W2BLC wrote:
>
> > The only name you need to know is Behringer - station speakers,
> > audio panels, etc. Bulletproof!
> >
> > Bill W2BLC - K-Line
> >
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From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 18:00:38 2015
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 00:00:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
In-Reply-To: <1086387307.1908149.1421361237518.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Guys,  this is way OTT all I was looking for was a way to feed the RX audio
from my transceivers to a common amplified stereo speaker setup.
There is ample audio shaping (EQ) in all modern transceivers so I don't
want or need any external audio massaging.

I like genuine quality cables and connectors but have no interest in ESSB
or pseudo HI-FI SSB so fancy mixers are not on the agenda.

Thanks for your help and comments.

73 F5VJC

73,  Deni - F5VJC



On 15 January 2015 at 23:33, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> >>> They sell them cheaper <<<
> Ray, do you know of anyone other than a Ham who likes things CHEEEEAP?
> >>>> But if you plan to use something again
> and again, it pays to buy tools of quality. <<<<
>  " Mighty Fine Junk" should have been out of business a loooong time ago.
> >>>>> In the  audio world, <<<<<
> But! we are not talking about the "Audio" world here.We are talking about
> " Ham Radio "
> And! Ham Radio and Quality Audio of the Audio world are oxymoron.
> If you should take a survey, you would find that a great percentage of OP
> use Behringer Mixer, and
> they'll be the first to tell that they are not looking for a flat audio.
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>
>
>
>       From: Ray Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:00 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Audio Mixer
>
> I have to disagree with Bill..... and agree with Jim, K9YC.  In the
> audio world, Behringer has out and out "stolen" the designs and types
> of products made by Mackie.  They sell them cheaper, and sometimes
> they work OK.  But they are pale copies of the real thing.  IMO, it's
> worth the modest extra expense to get better quality.
>
> Yeah, sometimes I use "cheap" tools.... if the application is not
> critical, or only needed once.  But if you plan to use something again
> and again, it pays to buy tools of quality.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
> On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:46 AM, W2BLC wrote:
>
> > The only name you need to know is Behringer - station speakers,
> > audio panels, etc. Bulletproof!
> >
> > Bill W2BLC - K-Line
> >
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From ho13dave at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 18:05:06 2015
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
Message-ID: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>


Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple of bugs. Wonder if 
anyone else has seen these:

1) After I put the kit together, while doing the testing, I noted that 
if I cycled through the modes via the left side of the mode button 
(mode dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed the TX for a 
second or maybe two. Did not do this when pressing the right side of 
the mode button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not simply 
lighting the TX light. The external power meter confirmed that RF was 
being generated. All other changes of mode appeared to be fine.

2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. Mode was CW before and 
after the change of bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no 
audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m (USB), audio. Switched 
to 40m (CW), audio. Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through the 
modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and suddenly audio was heard 
on 80m CW. And . . . while cycling through the modes I noted that the 
TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via the mode dn button.

Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen either of these?

I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the necessary effort to 
thoroughly debug the K3 before spending much effort adding features 
that only a handful of ops will ever use.


73 de dave
ab9ca/4

From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 18:25:10 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:25:10 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
	<54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
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You didn't mention what response you got from Elecraft Support?

The guys in support are darn good at their job from my experience.

Gary

On 16 January 2015 at 09:05, dave <ho13dave at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple of bugs. Wonder if anyone
> else has seen these:
>
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the testing, I noted that if
> I cycled through the modes via the left side of the mode button (mode dn),
> every time it went into AM mode it keyed the TX for a second or maybe two.
> Did not do this when pressing the right side of the mode button (mode up)
> and going into AM. This was not simply lighting the TX light. The external
> power meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All other changes of
> mode appeared to be fine.
>
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. Mode was CW before and
> after the change of bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no audio
> coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m (USB), audio. Switched to 40m
> (CW), audio. Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through the modes. Audio
> was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . .
> . while cycling through the modes I noted that the TX was no longer keyed
> when switching to AM via the mode dn button.
>
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen either of these?
>
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the necessary effort to thoroughly
> debug the K3 before spending much effort adding features that only a
> handful of ops will ever use.
>
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 15 18:25:26 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:25:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
	<54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02A5B1D0-AAF3-4114-8E8C-B96F12E12DDD@elecraft.com>

Hi Dave,

I haven't heard of either of these problems before. (In general, we try to eliminate any significant bug right away.) Please forward this to our customer support department, and if they don't have fixes or workarounds, they'll let me know so I can add them to my firmware list.

Your first item makes me wonder if you have VOX turned on and a live mic nearby.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:05 PM, dave <ho13dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple of bugs. Wonder if anyone else has seen these:
> 
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the testing, I noted that if I cycled through the modes via the left side of the mode button (mode dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed the TX for a second or maybe two. Did not do this when pressing the right side of the mode button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not simply lighting the TX light. The external power meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
> 
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. Mode was CW before and after the change of bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m (USB), audio. Switched to 40m (CW), audio. Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through the modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . . . while cycling through the modes I noted that the TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via the mode dn button.
> 
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen either of these?
> 
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the necessary effort to thoroughly debug the K3 before spending much effort adding features that only a handful of ops will ever use.
> 
> 
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 15 18:28:13 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:28:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
	<54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B84D0D.4010204@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Is there any chance that you pressed the MODE ^ button instead of just 
tapping it.
If so, note that a hold of that button puts the K3 into TX TEST - no RF 
is generated, but all other controls and electronic switches go to the 
transmit state.
On 1/15/2015 6:05 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple of bugs. Wonder if 
> anyone else has seen these:
>
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the testing, I noted that 
> if I cycled through the modes via the left side of the mode button 
> (mode dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed the TX for a 
> second or maybe two. Did not do this when pressing the right side of 
> the mode button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not simply 
> lighting the TX light. The external power meter confirmed that RF was 
> being generated. All other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
>
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. Mode was CW before and 
> after the change of bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no 
> audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m (USB), audio. Switched 
> to 40m (CW), audio. Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through the 
> modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and suddenly audio was heard 
> on 80m CW. And . . . while cycling through the modes I noted that the 
> TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via the mode dn button.
>
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen either of these?
>
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the necessary effort to 
> thoroughly debug the K3 before spending much effort adding features 
> that only a handful of ops will ever use.
>
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
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From pauls at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 15 18:30:03 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:30:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta - more test results
In-Reply-To: <24881364.77495.1421357557627.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <24881364.77495.1421357557627.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <54B84D7B.3030009@elecraft.com>

Hi Andy,

Thank you for the report.  Actually the bug is simply that the external 
SVGA screen cannot be enabled after disabling.  This is a genuine bug 
and I have a fix already in place.

73,

Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
831-763-4211 x122
www.elecraft.com

On 1/15/2015 1:32 PM, ANDY NEHAN wrote:
>
> So I reloaded the P3 beta and went thru some tests as follows to try 
> to reproduce the external screen freeze:
>
>  1. took the svga option and then selected and tried each entry in
>     sequence with no problems. Did NOT try the ubmp, urst, usav as I
>     had no usb device attached.
>  2. RX data window size OK
>  3. TX data window size changed to 0 and when I did the P3 screen
>     showed a blank area under the spectrum display BUT the external
>     screen was fine (normal display). Rebooting the P3 fixed this.
>  4. Got the external screen to freeze again by adjusting the waterfall
>     function and then going into svga option and toggling external
>     display on and off. It toggled off but then froze when toggled
>     back on. Once again rebooting the P3 and all was well.
>  5. Anytime I play with waterfall colour bias and then toggle external
>     display on and off the external display freezes.
>
>
> Hope the above is of use when bug finding.
>
>
> Andy G4HUE
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 15 19:46:33 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:46:33 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
	<54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B85F69.8080608@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... that went from the question, "Has anyone seen these" to 
"Elecraft ships gear full of bugs" awfully fast. :-))

In answer to the question and #1, I just tried it and my K3 [S/N 642] 
doesn't do what you describe.  If I understand #2 right, your's quit 
doing it too.

In answer to the question and #2, since mine has never done it, I can't 
duplicate it.

The K3 has a complex algorithm and state diagram for what gets 
"remembered" when going from one state to the next.  There are an almost 
countable infinity of possible states.  It takes awhile to become 
familiar with it, even for just your normal operating which for most 
people means a tiny fraction of the possible state changes.  Also, like 
all things electronic these days, turning your K3 off with the front 
panel button and removing all power are *not* the same thing.

Early on with mine, I lost 30 meters.  SWR on TX was infinite and no 
signals or band noise, any mode.  All the other bands/modes seemed to be 
normal.  Wayne [yes, co-owner of the company and designer of the radio] 
called me, and starting simple, asked me which antenna was selected on 
30 meters.  Somewhere in all the button-poking/menu-exploration I'd been 
doing to learn about my new radio, I'd selected ANT 2 on 30 meters which 
it dutifully remembered, and when I re-selected ANT 1 for 30 ... I 
became a very happy but really embarrassed ham.  Over the years, others 
have confessed to these sorts of technical difficulties in their minds 
on this list.  As time has passed, I've amassed a collection of such 
things in my station notebook ... they've all been pilot problems.  One 
deserves mention --

I noticed that when I pushed or held a button, something unrelated to 
what I was trying to do would occasionally happen.  "There must be 
something wrong with my front panel switch matrix," right?  Well ... no. 
  The K3 is not in the heavyweight class of radios and we all know who's 
weigh 60 lbs.  Fooling around, I tried holding the K3 while I selected 
buttons and all was well.  It and the P3 now have little tabs 
double-sided moulding tape under the front feet, they do not move on the 
shelf when I tap/hold, and my front panel switch matrix is actually just 
fine.

If your problems persist, support at elecraft.com is amazingly good.  So is 
a lot of the advice on this list, especially from a number who really 
know, you'll soon figure out who they are.  Fred Cady's manual is also a 
huge resource if you don't already have it.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/15/2015 3:05 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple of bugs. Wonder if
> anyone else has seen these:
>
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the testing, I noted that
> if I cycled through the modes via the left side of the mode button (mode
> dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed the TX for a second or
> maybe two. Did not do this when pressing the right side of the mode
> button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not simply lighting the TX
> light. The external power meter confirmed that RF was being generated.
> All other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
>
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. Mode was CW before and
> after the change of bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no
> audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m (USB), audio. Switched to
> 40m (CW), audio. Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through the
> modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and suddenly audio was heard on
> 80m CW. And . . . while cycling through the modes I noted that the TX
> was no longer keyed when switching to AM via the mode dn button.
>
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen either of these?
>
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the necessary effort to thoroughly
> debug the K3 before spending much effort adding features that only a
> handful of ops will ever use.
>
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Jan 15 20:01:54 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
References: <CFD35A5D0E094DB3B7B1A4E19D8A30C0@K4BPM>
	<54B847A2.5080302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>

Dave,

At this stage of things most "bugs" are really 
operator errors due to lack of familiarity with 
the rig. Of course, you could have a hardware 
problem with your specific unit, but that's not 
likely. Best is to call tech support and ask for 
advice.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/15/15 3:05 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple 
> of bugs. Wonder if anyone else has seen these:
>
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the 
> testing, I noted that if I cycled through the 
> modes via the left side of the mode button (mode 
> dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed 
> the TX for a second or maybe two. Did not do 
> this when pressing the right side of the mode 
> button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not 
> simply lighting the TX light. The external power 
> meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All 
> other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
>
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. 
> Mode was CW before and after the change of 
> bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no 
> audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m 
> (USB), audio. Switched to 40m (CW), audio. 
> Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through 
> the modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and 
> suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . . . 
> while cycling through the modes I noted that the 
> TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via 
> the mode dn button.
>
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen 
> either of these?
>
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the 
> necessary effort to thoroughly debug the K3 
> before spending much effort adding features that 
> only a handful of ops will ever use.
>
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 15 20:51:10 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 01:51:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have not seen the issue hear and I'm running the latest released firmware (and I suspect your was factory loaded with the latest)
Could be a mechanical issue; Something like the wrong length screw causing something to short out?

I would suspect a possible assembly error, but it could be a real issue with the radio.Personally I'd call support and work with them to resolve this issue.

I'm a bit critical of Elecraft; because being the son of a German Engineer and in a technical field I tend to look at things in a very critical light).But even as critical as I am of Elecraft they do make a sound product and they do listen to their customer base.

I would say they do tend to spend a good amount of debugging time.


PS: Being the son of a German Engineer, and being in technical fields my whole career I'm very critical of Elecraft.That being said they so make a sound product, plus they do listen to their customers.

     

On 1/15/15 3:05 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple 
> of bugs. Wonder if anyone else has seen these:
>
> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the 
> testing, I noted that if I cycled through the 
> modes via the left side of the mode button (mode 
> dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed 
> the TX for a second or maybe two. Did not do 
> this when pressing the right side of the mode 
> button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not 
> simply lighting the TX light. The external power 
> meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All 
> other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
>
> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m. 
> Mode was CW before and after the change of 
> bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no 
> audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m 
> (USB), audio. Switched to 40m (CW), audio. 
> Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through 
> the modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and 
> suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . . . 
> while cycling through the modes I noted that the 
> TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via 
> the mode dn button.
>
> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen 
> either of these?
>
> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the 
> necessary effort to thoroughly debug the K3 
> before spending much effort adding features that 
> only a handful of ops will ever use.
>
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4

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From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Fri Jan 16 04:23:58 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:23:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] NaP3 / CW Skimmer integration using only K3 as
 RX
In-Reply-To: <CAB3n5HLCiDatg7T4BdSNxjXtSkWFK_7GUot5UiaZCV43AAZUQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB3n5HLCiDatg7T4BdSNxjXtSkWFK_7GUot5UiaZCV43AAZUQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B8D8AE.2050706@xs4all.nl>

John,

My standard setup here is:

Software:
- CWskimmer
- NAP3
- N1MM logger
- a simple piece of software called ' clusterjoin'
- LP Bridge
- systems: Win XP (until last month) and Win Vista (present time)

Hardware:
- K3
- Softrock -IF
- 6 yr old pc with 192kHz soundcard

Way of operation:
- All software is connected to the K3 via LPbridge
- N1MM is connected to 'clusterjoin' in the telnet window
- Spots of CW skimmer and an internet DXcluster are combined through ' 
clusterjoin'  (commands to accomplish this are given via the telnet 
window of N1MM logger) , all spots show up in the bandmap op N1MM logger.

Everything works together just fine. Thanks to all programmers of the 
software that make this possible.
If you have any questions, just contact me.

73
Arie PA3A


John Shadle schreef op 14-1-2015 om 19:32:
> Hi all,
> I know that I have seen a blog post by a non-US ham about doing this, but I
> can't seem to locate concrete instructions on his site or elsewhere.
>
> My setup is as follows.
> - K3
> - LP-Bridge to share serial ports for rig control and logging
> - LP-PAN using NaP3
> - E-MU 0202 USB sound card
>
> NaP3 works fine with this setup, but I can't get CW Skimmer to load while
> NaP3 is running. Once I shut down NaP3, I can run CW Skimmer with no issues.
>
> Anyone have tips on how to use both NaP3 as well as CW Skimmer
> simultaneously with this setup?
>
> Thanks!
> -john W4PAH
> Madison, WI


From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net  Fri Jan 16 10:13:38 2015
From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:13:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: [Elecraft_K3] USB to serial ?
References: <SNT149-W3E2085B6B13EF46CCB0C1834E0@phx.gbl> 
Message-ID: <006101d0319f$0196b740$04c425c0$@STL-OnLine.Net>

Barry,

Responses imbedded:

  

I use a Desktop with PCI serial port card but have a friend who is going to
be getting a K3 and use it on a laptop. If he gets 2 of the USB to serial
adapters will he be able to use both at the same time? 

 

Yes

 

I had some a while back (5 plus years) and if there were two in the PC
neither would work.  He might like to do FSK RTTY and that needs a second
serial port.
I am hoping things have improved since then. Has anyone here tried more than
one at a time? 

 

Yes, if the serial port is to be used as an audio device, it will show up as
an audio capability (USB SignaLink shows up as USB CODEC) and can be
selected as an for output and input).  If it is for serial use, each USB
port will have a its own serial port assignment (AND different types of USB
converters may have a different serial assignment when used on the same USB
port).  They will all work together because Windows 7 assigns the port
number and I think I have seen it not always be the same even for the same
USB port.  You will have to go to Device Manager to see what ports are
available (OR in some programs look at the comm port you have configured and
click to change it and the program will show you what ports are available.

 

I have a MOXA 4 port that works fine with my laptop for portable use but i
got it used at a real nice price.
 

I use the Edgeport 4 and an Edgeport 8 on another machine (4 and 8 ports
each on one USB connection) and have never had any problems with either of
them doing anything.  Like you, I acquired them both on eBay at a really
good price.


Thanks
barry
NF1O

__._,_.___

73, Jim KG0KP

 


From ptaa at ieee.org  Fri Jan 16 11:15:30 2015
From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:15:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: [Elecraft_K3] USB to serial ?
In-Reply-To: <006101d0319f$0196b740$04c425c0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
References: <SNT149-W3E2085B6B13EF46CCB0C1834E0@phx.gbl>
	<006101d0319f$0196b740$04c425c0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
Message-ID: <CAPE-h6-jBkCZSn2x4o5LhTPSVQbY=BbwaJ56_CDC8Mz7Lu9D4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A serial port (RS232) can not be used as an audio device.
Guess you are referring to a USB port.

Per-Tore
DL/LA7NO


On 16 January 2015 at 16:13, Jim Miller <JimMiller at stl-online.net> wrote:


> Yes, if the serial port is to be used as an audio device, it will show up
> as
> an audio capability (USB SignaLink shows up as USB CODEC) and can be
> selected as an for output and input).

From phystad at mac.com  Fri Jan 16 11:42:09 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 08:42:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] USB to serial ?
In-Reply-To: <CAPE-h6-jBkCZSn2x4o5LhTPSVQbY=BbwaJ56_CDC8Mz7Lu9D4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT149-W3E2085B6B13EF46CCB0C1834E0@phx.gbl>
	<006101d0319f$0196b740$04c425c0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
	<CAPE-h6-jBkCZSn2x4o5LhTPSVQbY=BbwaJ56_CDC8Mz7Lu9D4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0676AB07-CD8A-4DD1-9BA2-F998076ABBA7@mac.com>

A clarification on the use of words ...

"Serial Port" does not necessarily mean RS232.  There are a number of different comms protocols that are "serial".  USB is in fact a serial protocol thus its name:  Universal Serial Bus.

Remember:  any port in a storm unless it is starboard or unless it is a bottle of Amontillado (a Tawny Port).

73, phil, K7PEH





> On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Per-Tore Aasestrand <ptaa at ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A serial port (RS232) can not be used as an audio device.
> Guess you are referring to a USB port.
> 
> Per-Tore
> DL/LA7NO
> 
> 
> On 16 January 2015 at 16:13, Jim Miller <JimMiller at stl-online.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Yes, if the serial port is to be used as an audio device, it will show up
>> as
>> an audio capability (USB SignaLink shows up as USB CODEC) and can be
>> selected as an for output and input).
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From bennyschmid at icloud.com  Fri Jan 16 11:43:43 2015
From: bennyschmid at icloud.com (Benjamin Schmid)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:43:43 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1
In-Reply-To: <5499D683.5070108@w3fpr.com>
References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com>
	<5499670E.4030806@embarqmail.com> <549998B9.8000501@socal.rr.com>
	<885C7DED-FDED-4C8B-BA37-4FDB80C9E850@icloud.com>
	<5499D683.5070108@w3fpr.com>
Message-ID: <942A1772-2181-4F2A-AFFB-1213A118CA6F@icloud.com>

Hi Don,

Replacing the resonator had no effect.
I ordered a new Filter Board IC which I received today.

Now everything works as supposed to and I was able to finalize alignment and Test Part 1.
Now I am off building again.

Thanks for your help!

73 de DG5WJ - Benny
????????????????????????
 

Mail: BennySchmid at icloud.com


> Am 23.12.2014 um 21:54 schrieb Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com>:
> 
> Benny,
> 
> The voltage at U1 pin 16 may be OK - that is one of the resonator pins and can be loaded by your DMM.  That is what makes it read as unstable.
> 
> For some reason, the K2 MCU is not communicating with the band board firmware.
> Check all the soldering again, and if that does not resolve itself, obtain a replacement filter board firmware IC *and* obtain a replacement resonator (Z1) just in case that one is defective.
> If you happen to have a spare 4 MHz resonator on hand, try replacing Z1 - that could possibly be the entire problem.  You never know until you try it.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 12/23/2014 12:53 PM, Benjamin Schmid wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> thanks for your help.
>> 
>> I did the troubleshooting steps:
>> - Turning the K1 off and on again ->  no effect. No relays clicking on startup.
>> 
>> - FIL-U1 is installed correct (notch to the rear), no bent pins, checked the soldering of the socket.
>> The manual states that FIL U1 may be defective. I just wanted to clear out other possibilities before ordering a replacement.
>> 
>> - With power on I  checked the voltages at FIL U1 and FP U1 according to the voltages table.
>> All Fil U1 voltages except 16 are within range. As stated before U1 pin 16 Voltage is unstable between below 0.3V to 1.6V
>> All MCU voltages are within range except Pin 6. Just measured 1.9V there should be 2.5V
>> 
>> Power consumption is at 66mA with no audio output and the LCD backlight (bright version) installed.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your time.
>> 
>> 
>>>> Be certain all pins of the headers to the filter board are well soldered.
>>>> If the band board firmware (U1) is plugged in backwards, you will have low voltage on pin 16 and the regulator will get hot.  The notch on U1 must point toward the rear of the board.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From don at w3fpr.com  Fri Jan 16 11:53:17 2015
From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:53:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] Error27 - Alignment and Test Part 1
In-Reply-To: <942A1772-2181-4F2A-AFFB-1213A118CA6F@icloud.com>
References: <214A7381-FC70-420B-B243-27D7E6E00C7D@icloud.com>	<5499670E.4030806@embarqmail.com>
	<549998B9.8000501@socal.rr.com>	<885C7DED-FDED-4C8B-BA37-4FDB80C9E850@icloud.com>	<5499D683.5070108@w3fpr.com>
	<942A1772-2181-4F2A-AFFB-1213A118CA6F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <54B941FD.7090303@w3fpr.com>

Benny,

It is good to know that it is finally working for you.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/16/2015 11:43 AM, Benjamin Schmid wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> Replacing the resonator had no effect.
> I ordered a new Filter Board IC which I received today.
>
> Now everything works as supposed to and I was able to finalize alignment and Test Part 1.
> Now I am off building again.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> 73 de DG5WJ - Benny
> ????????????????????????
>   
>
> Mail: BennySchmid at icloud.com
>
>
>> Am 23.12.2014 um 21:54 schrieb Don Wilhelm <don at w3fpr.com>:
>>
>> Benny,
>>
>> The voltage at U1 pin 16 may be OK - that is one of the resonator pins and can be loaded by your DMM.  That is what makes it read as unstable.
>>
>> For some reason, the K2 MCU is not communicating with the band board firmware.
>> Check all the soldering again, and if that does not resolve itself, obtain a replacement filter board firmware IC *and* obtain a replacement resonator (Z1) just in case that one is defective.
>> If you happen to have a spare 4 MHz resonator on hand, try replacing Z1 - that could possibly be the entire problem.  You never know until you try it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 12/23/2014 12:53 PM, Benjamin Schmid wrote:
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> I did the troubleshooting steps:
>>> - Turning the K1 off and on again ->  no effect. No relays clicking on startup.
>>>
>>> - FIL-U1 is installed correct (notch to the rear), no bent pins, checked the soldering of the socket.
>>> The manual states that FIL U1 may be defective. I just wanted to clear out other possibilities before ordering a replacement.
>>>
>>> - With power on I  checked the voltages at FIL U1 and FP U1 according to the voltages table.
>>> All Fil U1 voltages except 16 are within range. As stated before U1 pin 16 Voltage is unstable between below 0.3V to 1.6V
>>> All MCU voltages are within range except Pin 6. Just measured 1.9V there should be 2.5V
>>>
>>> Power consumption is at 66mA with no audio output and the LCD backlight (bright version) installed.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your time.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Be certain all pins of the headers to the filter board are well soldered.
>>>>> If the band board firmware (U1) is plugged in backwards, you will have low voltage on pin 16 and the regulator will get hot.  The notch on U1 must point toward the rear of the board.
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ptaa at ieee.org  Fri Jan 16 11:55:29 2015
From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:55:29 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] USB to serial ?
In-Reply-To: <0676AB07-CD8A-4DD1-9BA2-F998076ABBA7@mac.com>
References: <SNT149-W3E2085B6B13EF46CCB0C1834E0@phx.gbl>
	<006101d0319f$0196b740$04c425c0$@STL-OnLine.Net>
	<CAPE-h6-jBkCZSn2x4o5LhTPSVQbY=BbwaJ56_CDC8Mz7Lu9D4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<0676AB07-CD8A-4DD1-9BA2-F998076ABBA7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAPE-h6-rq83AQTdt5xD_WhzQHJqQzfGYX9haKCR4NwBVY8h08g@mail.gmail.com>

Semantically, that is correct, Phil.
An Ethernet port is also serial, and so is a Bluetooth port.
However, the most common usage of  "serial port", is IMO RS232 or similar.

Per-Tore
DL/LA7NO

On 16 January 2015 at 17:42, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> A clarification on the use of words ...
>
> "Serial Port" does not necessarily mean RS232.  There are a number of
> different comms protocols that are "serial".  USB is in fact a serial
> protocol thus its name:  Universal Serial Bus.
>
> Remember:  any port in a storm unless it is starboard or unless it is a
> bottle of Amontillado (a Tawny Port).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Per-Tore Aasestrand <ptaa at ieee.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > A serial port (RS232) can not be used as an audio device.
> > Guess you are referring to a USB port.
> >
> > Per-Tore
> > DL/LA7NO
> >
> >
> > On 16 January 2015 at 16:13, Jim Miller <JimMiller at stl-online.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yes, if the serial port is to be used as an audio device, it will show
> up
> >> as
> >> an audio capability (USB SignaLink shows up as USB CODEC) and can be
> >> selected as an for output and input).
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Fri Jan 16 12:35:06 2015
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:35:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 drift
Message-ID: <14893237.58446.1421429706347.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Well today I had another play, 10MHz source(locked to Droitwich) and counter left on for a couple of hours so I was happy they were stable. Tuned into my 10MHz signal and measured a tone on my frequency meter of 595Hz on a cold K3 - now over the next 30 minutes it drifted down to 583Hz. So over the next few hours I conducted experiments the last of which was to run CW continuously for 1hr (wow) 100watts into a dummy load (10MHz band) then when I went to measure the tone on the 10MHz oscillator it was 582Hz and drifted another 1Hz over 30 minutes.
Now as far as I am concerned that feels like very small beer. My only "observation" is that it did drift 12Hz in 30 minutes - but I think I can live with that. Maybe I am lucky but this feels good to me. The PA temperature reached 48C and stayed there. The K3 manual is quite clear (page 9 ) that 100watts on CW for 10 minutes - but then my house is quite cold (18C not 25C).
I think I have bigger fish to fry than worry about this drift. YMMV.
Andy G4HUE

From emoss98133 at msn.com  Fri Jan 16 13:51:02 2015
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:51:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 drift
In-Reply-To: <14893237.58446.1421429706347.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <14893237.58446.1421429706347.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <1421434262153-7597171.post@n2.nabble.com>

I don't think the K3 has a drift problem. but what it could be is the other
station that is listening to you is tuning his dial slightly to adjust to
get the tone or voice to where he likes it, and then when you go back to
receive you see that he is off freq. thinking that you drifted.  

Ed  KD7PY  (ex K7WIA)



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From emoss98133 at msn.com  Fri Jan 16 13:57:17 2015
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:57:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 drift
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I don't think the K3 has a drift problem. but what it could be is the other
station that is listening to you is tuning his dial slightly to adjust to
get the tone or voice to where he likes it, and then when you go back to
receive you see that he is off freq. thinking that you drifted.  

the ones that said the there K3 drifted said that they noticed it when
talking to other stations. what they need to do is check it against WWV or
another stable sig. source.

Ed  KD7PY  (ex K7WIA) 



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From idarack at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 13:59:10 2015
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:59:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Loosing Communications/ Turns PA Mode Off
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I recently checked and upgraded all of the Firmware with my KX3 (MCU =
2.27, & DSP = 1.3), KXPA (1.32) and PX3 (1.16) that was older.

I found that  it lost communications from the KX3 to the KXPA100. Hence it
results in turning PA Mode Off. Even when I go back into the Menu settings,
turn PA Mode on again, It results in turning PA Mode back off again.

Even though I had full communications between the KX3 and KXPA100, to
resolve the problem, I had to going into the utility program for the PX3,
making sure it was communication with my computer, which it was, then
update the KX3 Menu PA Mode to on.

I am not sure where the glitch is occurring. I have the standard cable set
up as in the PX3 Manual and all data rates are set to 38400 baud. It seems
to be related to the PX3.

Is there a way to extend the time out for the KXPA100?

Thanks, Irwin

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From edouard at lafargue.name  Fri Jan 16 14:12:14 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Loosing Communications/ Turns PA Mode Off
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  Are you using a rig controller? In my experience, depending on how
'chatty' your rig controller is,
it can interfere with the KX3/KXPA100 init routine. It is certainly the
case with mine (wizkers.io), since it
not only talks to the KX3 but also the KXPA100, every second.

Ed, W6ELA

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently checked and upgraded all of the Firmware with my KX3 (MCU =
> 2.27, & DSP = 1.3), KXPA (1.32) and PX3 (1.16) that was older.
>
> I found that  it lost communications from the KX3 to the KXPA100. Hence it
> results in turning PA Mode Off. Even when I go back into the Menu settings,
> turn PA Mode on again, It results in turning PA Mode back off again.
>
> Even though I had full communications between the KX3 and KXPA100, to
> resolve the problem, I had to going into the utility program for the PX3,
> making sure it was communication with my computer, which it was, then
> update the KX3 Menu PA Mode to on.
>
> I am not sure where the glitch is occurring. I have the standard cable set
> up as in the PX3 Manual and all data rates are set to 38400 baud. It seems
> to be related to the PX3.
>
> Is there a way to extend the time out for the KXPA100?
>
> Thanks, Irwin
>
> --
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 14:15:48 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:15:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Loosing Communications/ Turns PA Mode Off
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Just a thought?
Not using a KXPA but do use my radio remotely..

I run my remote control radio with HRD for the past 5 years.. I run the radio at 4800 with the thought that any issues might not affect the communications path to the radio from the computer.  Never? had a drop-out.  

Frank KG9H

On Jan 16, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name> wrote:

>  Are you using a rig controller? In my experience, depending on how
> 'chatty' your rig controller is,
> it can interfere with the KX3/KXPA100 init routine. It is certainly the
> case with mine (wizkers.io), since it
> not only talks to the KX3 but also the KXPA100, every second.
> 
> Ed, W6ELA
> 
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I recently checked and upgraded all of the Firmware with my KX3 (MCU =
>> 2.27, & DSP = 1.3), KXPA (1.32) and PX3 (1.16) that was older.
>> 
>> I found that  it lost communications from the KX3 to the KXPA100. Hence it
>> results in turning PA Mode Off. Even when I go back into the Menu settings,
>> turn PA Mode on again, It results in turning PA Mode back off again.
>> 
>> Even though I had full communications between the KX3 and KXPA100, to
>> resolve the problem, I had to going into the utility program for the PX3,
>> making sure it was communication with my computer, which it was, then
>> update the KX3 Menu PA Mode to on.
>> 
>> I am not sure where the glitch is occurring. I have the standard cable set
>> up as in the PX3 Manual and all data rates are set to 38400 baud. It seems
>> to be related to the PX3.
>> 
>> Is there a way to extend the time out for the KXPA100?
>> 
>> Thanks, Irwin
>> 
>> --
>> Irwin KD3TB
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Fri Jan 16 14:27:14 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:27:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Loosing Communications/ Turns PA Mode Off
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Make sure the power to the KXPA100 is good.  I had a PP connector contact
move causing a poor connection to the KXPA100.  The KX3 kept returning to PA
off.  Fixed the connector and all was well.  



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From n1nk at cox.net  Fri Jan 16 14:52:40 2015
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:52:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3:  odd P3 behavior on only 60m
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I am setting up for 60m operation.  The configuration is a K3/P3 with
microHAM StationMaster controlling a SixPack switch.  On all bands except
for 60m, the P3 operates normally.  On 60m, there is something odd going on.

 

At top of the screen, the correct frequency from the K3 appears but the
range is shown as -1 to -1 and cannot be changed with the Span control.
When I press Span, Span:  <clock symbol> and "nan" shows up.  As I recall
from my C/Unix days, "nan" means "not a number" and usually results from an
attempt to divide by 0 or some other operation that does not return a value.

 

Anyone have a clue?  Please email direct as I get the digest.  It is 1500
here in RI and I have time before calling elecraft support.

 

Jim/N1NK

N1NK at cox.net


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jan 16 14:57:21 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:57:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Loosing Communications/ Turns PA Mode Off
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This was fixed in KX3 MCU rev. 2.28. I'll send you the latest (2.33).

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently checked and upgraded all of the Firmware with my KX3 (MCU =
> 2.27, & DSP = 1.3), KXPA (1.32) and PX3 (1.16) that was older.
> 
> I found that  it lost communications from the KX3 to the KXPA100. Hence it
> results in turning PA Mode Off. Even when I go back into the Menu settings,
> turn PA Mode on again, It results in turning PA Mode back off again.
> 
> Even though I had full communications between the KX3 and KXPA100, to
> resolve the problem, I had to going into the utility program for the PX3,
> making sure it was communication with my computer, which it was, then
> update the KX3 Menu PA Mode to on.
> 
> I am not sure where the glitch is occurring. I have the standard cable set
> up as in the PX3 Manual and all data rates are set to 38400 baud. It seems
> to be related to the PX3.
> 
> Is there a way to extend the time out for the KXPA100?
> 
> Thanks, Irwin
> 
> -- 
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From n1nk at cox.net  Fri Jan 16 15:08:48 2015
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3:  followup to 60m issue
Message-ID: <003c01d031c8$3dd7fdd0$b987f970$@net>

I also notice that MKR A and MKR B do not show up on 60m but the displayed
frequency is tied to the previous band selected on the K3.  In other words,
I I had the K3 on 80m the shifted to 60m, MKR A and B still show the 80m
frequencies.

 

Jim/N1NK


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 16:55:57 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:55:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
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I find it simply amazing that some folks could think Elecraft in some buggy
error-prone category. A K3 is a software defined radio with a degree of
necessary hardware adjunct. To anyone who insists that software should not
be shipped until all bugs are removed, my answer is "GET REAL".


      <<<    ALL software is buggy.   >>>


ALL of it. For ANY purpose. On ANY platform. In ANY software language. From
ANY developer. From ANY country. ANY length of time in the field. No
exceptions, ever.

Every piece of software, past, present or future, DIES in obsolescence,
with bugs still in it. No exceptions, ever.

No paid developer can fix, nor paid tester find all bugs. Cannot possibly
be done.

Nobody can imagine, and post up in a testing plan, the entirety of customer
reality. None of us have brains that can hold anything but a tiny fraction
of the entirety of customer reality.

Software that has not been debugged by CUSTOMERS in REAL situations cannot
be trusted in real situations.

You will never eat any food without a germ on it. That's why you, the
customer, has an immune system.


<<<   The only thing that counts is whether the company is RESPONSIVE, and
has a HISTORY of improvements in their software.  >>>


You go check all those other ham radio companies and find out who is
responsive and has a history of improvements.

73, Guy.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I have not seen the issue hear and I'm running the latest released
> firmware (and I suspect your was factory loaded with the latest)
> Could be a mechanical issue; Something like the wrong length screw causing
> something to short out?
>
> I would suspect a possible assembly error, but it could be a real issue
> with the radio.Personally I'd call support and work with them to resolve
> this issue.
>
> I'm a bit critical of Elecraft; because being the son of a German Engineer
> and in a technical field I tend to look at things in a very critical
> light).But even as critical as I am of Elecraft they do make a sound
> product and they do listen to their customer base.
>
> I would say they do tend to spend a good amount of debugging time.
>
>
> PS: Being the son of a German Engineer, and being in technical fields my
> whole career I'm very critical of Elecraft.That being said they so make a
> sound product, plus they do listen to their customers.
>
>
>
> On 1/15/15 3:05 PM, dave wrote:
> >
> > Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple
> > of bugs. Wonder if anyone else has seen these:
> >
> > 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the
> > testing, I noted that if I cycled through the
> > modes via the left side of the mode button (mode
> > dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed
> > the TX for a second or maybe two. Did not do
> > this when pressing the right side of the mode
> > button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not
> > simply lighting the TX light. The external power
> > meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All
> > other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
> >
> > 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m.
> > Mode was CW before and after the change of
> > bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no
> > audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m
> > (USB), audio. Switched to 40m (CW), audio.
> > Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through
> > the modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and
> > suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . . .
> > while cycling through the modes I noted that the
> > TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via
> > the mode dn button.
> >
> > Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen
> > either of these?
> >
> > I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the
> > necessary effort to thoroughly debug the K3
> > before spending much effort adding features that
> > only a handful of ops will ever use.
> >
> >
> > 73 de dave
> > ab9ca/4
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Jan 16 20:43:45 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:43:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 drift
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I see this problem running PSK31. My solution is to use the two 
decoder windows in cocoaModem. With the one I'm using for 
transmit, I never change the frequency. I chase the other guy as 
his frequency changes using the other decoder window. If other 
side of the QSO changes tuning to better receive me, my transmit 
frequency will remain the same and I can hope he will not need 
to retune and we can avoid chasing each other across the band. :-)

For SSB, RIT might be a good answer, although you can be a bit 
sloppier in SSB and still understand the other end than you can 
in PSK.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/16/15 at 10:57 AM, emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) wrote:

>I don't think the K3 has a drift problem. but what it could be is the other
>station that is listening to you is tuning his dial slightly to adjust to
>get the tone or voice to where he likes it, and then when you go back to
>receive you see that he is off freq. thinking that you drifted.

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From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 16 21:12:19 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:12:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 drift
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> I see this problem running PSK31. My solution is to use the two
> decoder windows in cocoaModem. With the one I'm using for transmit, I
> never change the frequency. I chase the other guy as his frequency
> changes using the other decoder window.

Don't need to worry about it with WinWarbler (part of DXLab Suite).
Once I've answered a CQ or someone has answered me, I simply uncheck
the "NET" box in the transmit window and my transmit frequency never
moves.  I can allow AFC to run in the receive window to track the
other station as he moves or even click on his trace if he has moved
too far for the AFC to follow.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-16 8:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I see this problem running PSK31. My solution is to use the two decoder
> windows in cocoaModem. With the one I'm using for transmit, I never
> change the frequency. I chase the other guy as his frequency changes
> using the other decoder window. If other side of the QSO changes tuning
> to better receive me, my transmit frequency will remain the same and I
> can hope he will not need to retune and we can avoid chasing each other
> across the band. :-)
>
> For SSB, RIT might be a good answer, although you can be a bit sloppier
> in SSB and still understand the other end than you can in PSK.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 1/16/15 at 10:57 AM, emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) wrote:
>
>> I don't think the K3 has a drift problem. but what it could be is the
>> other
>> station that is listening to you is tuning his dial slightly to adjust to
>> get the tone or voice to where he likes it, and then when you go back to
>> receive you see that he is off freq. thinking that you drifted.
>
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From averill at mchsi.com  Fri Jan 16 21:25:47 2015
From: averill at mchsi.com (George Averill)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
Message-ID: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>

Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used to attach the small knobs on a K1?

Thanks,
George

From beford at myfairpoint.net  Fri Jan 16 21:30:02 2015
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:30:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
Message-ID: <C4060F7F503F4DF9B8E9DD9548127B98@HPE250f>

>Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used to 
> attach the small knobs on a K1?

it is 0.050"
Bruce N1RX



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 16 21:40:54 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:40:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
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	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B9CBB6.3060605@aol.com>

After 40 years as a programmer in just about every imaginable platform 
and environment, I would agree.
This statement is absolutely true.  To those who have never attempted 
programming, its hard to fully imagine just how complicated software 
really is.

Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the 
world's greatest software tester would still be something I would never 
risk my life with.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 1/16/2015 2:55 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> I find it simply amazing that some folks could think Elecraft in some buggy
> error-prone category. A K3 is a software defined radio with a degree of
> necessary hardware adjunct. To anyone who insists that software should not
> be shipped until all bugs are removed, my answer is "GET REAL".
>
>
>        <<<    ALL software is buggy.   >>>
>
>
> ALL of it. For ANY purpose. On ANY platform. In ANY software language. From
> ANY developer. From ANY country. ANY length of time in the field. No
> exceptions, ever.
>
> Every piece of software, past, present or future, DIES in obsolescence,
> with bugs still in it. No exceptions, ever.
>
> No paid developer can fix, nor paid tester find all bugs. Cannot possibly
> be done.
>
> Nobody can imagine, and post up in a testing plan, the entirety of customer
> reality. None of us have brains that can hold anything but a tiny fraction
> of the entirety of customer reality.
>
> Software that has not been debugged by CUSTOMERS in REAL situations cannot
> be trusted in real situations.
>
> You will never eat any food without a germ on it. That's why you, the
> customer, has an immune system.
>
>
> <<<   The only thing that counts is whether the company is RESPONSIVE, and
> has a HISTORY of improvements in their software.  >>>
>
>
> You go check all those other ham radio companies and find out who is
> responsive and has a history of improvements.
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> I have not seen the issue hear and I'm running the latest released
>> firmware (and I suspect your was factory loaded with the latest)
>> Could be a mechanical issue; Something like the wrong length screw causing
>> something to short out?
>>
>> I would suspect a possible assembly error, but it could be a real issue
>> with the radio.Personally I'd call support and work with them to resolve
>> this issue.
>>
>> I'm a bit critical of Elecraft; because being the son of a German Engineer
>> and in a technical field I tend to look at things in a very critical
>> light).But even as critical as I am of Elecraft they do make a sound
>> product and they do listen to their customer base.
>>
>> I would say they do tend to spend a good amount of debugging time.
>>
>>
>> PS: Being the son of a German Engineer, and being in technical fields my
>> whole career I'm very critical of Elecraft.That being said they so make a
>> sound product, plus they do listen to their customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/15 3:05 PM, dave wrote:
>>> Recently purchased a K3 kit. Have noted a couple
>>> of bugs. Wonder if anyone else has seen these:
>>>
>>> 1) After I put the kit together, while doing the
>>> testing, I noted that if I cycled through the
>>> modes via the left side of the mode button (mode
>>> dn), every time it went into AM mode it keyed
>>> the TX for a second or maybe two. Did not do
>>> this when pressing the right side of the mode
>>> button (mode up) and going into AM. This was not
>>> simply lighting the TX light. The external power
>>> meter confirmed that RF was being generated. All
>>> other changes of mode appeared to be fine.
>>>
>>> 2) Just now turned the K3 on. Switched to 80m.
>>> Mode was CW before and after the change of
>>> bands. After a few seconds I noted there was no
>>> audio coming from the speaker. Switched to 60m
>>> (USB), audio. Switched to 40m (CW), audio.
>>> Switched back to 80, no audio. Cycled through
>>> the modes. Audio was heard on LSB, AM, Data, and
>>> suddenly audio was heard on 80m CW. And . . .
>>> while cycling through the modes I noted that the
>>> TX was no longer keyed when switching to AM via
>>> the mode dn button.
>>>
>>> Are these bugs related? Has anyone else seen
>>> either of these?
>>>
>>> I'd really like to see Elecraft spend the
>>> necessary effort to thoroughly debug the K3
>>> before spending much effort adding features that
>>> only a handful of ops will ever use.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 de dave
>>> ab9ca/4
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From n1al at sonic.net  Fri Jan 16 21:54:13 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:54:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B9CBB6.3060605@aol.com>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54B9CED5.8080905@sonic.net>

On 01/16/2015 06:40 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>
> Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the 
> world's greatest software tester would still be something I would 
> never risk my life with.

Self-driving cars are supposed to be the wave of the future.  Google 
already has prototypes on the road.  The software must be insanely 
complicated.  There's no way it won't have bugs.

On the other hand, human drivers are hardly perfect either.  Perhaps the 
buggy software will be more reliable than an inattentive driver...

Alan N1AL


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Jan 16 22:14:26 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:14:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B9CED5.8080905@sonic.net>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <798F8A76-3A39-4CFB-9ED4-028C7705F546@wunderwood.org>

I commute from Palo Alto to Santa Clara. I used to check whether I saw a Tesla on each drive, but that got boring. Now I count Google self-driving cars and I see one almost every day. Haven?t had a collision with either a Tesla or a Google self-driving care yet.

I also write software, which has bugs.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> On 01/16/2015 06:40 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
>> 
>> Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the world's greatest software tester would still be something I would never risk my life with.
> 
> Self-driving cars are supposed to be the wave of the future.  Google already has prototypes on the road.  The software must be insanely complicated.  There's no way it won't have bugs.
> 
> On the other hand, human drivers are hardly perfect either.  Perhaps the buggy software will be more reliable than an inattentive driver...
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri Jan 16 22:28:36 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 03:28:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Software perfection
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1778.1421463268.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D0DF241A.8D0E%edauer@law.du.edu>

You do exactly that every time you fly (commercial).

But it didn?t stop me either.  That?s what the humans are for.

Ted, KN1CBR (ex-CFI)


>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 26
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:40:54 -0700
>From: Doug Person via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
>Message-ID: <54B9CBB6.3060605 at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>After 40 years as a programmer in just about every imaginable platform
>and environment, I would agree.
>This statement is absolutely true.  To those who have never attempted
>programming, its hard to fully imagine just how complicated software
>really is.
>
>Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the
>world's greatest software tester would still be something I would never
>risk my life with.
>
>73, Doug -- K0DXV
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan 16 22:36:58 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:36:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <798F8A76-3A39-4CFB-9ED4-028C7705F546@wunderwood.org>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>	<54B9CBB6.3060605@aol.com>
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	<798F8A76-3A39-4CFB-9ED4-028C7705F546@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <54B9D8DA.2020603@foothill.net>

signed int returnone(void)
   {
   return 1;
   }

No bugs, works every time, guaranteed.  Sadly, it's useless.  Anything 
more complex will have problems sooner or later.  If it involves 
real-time communications, it will be a whole lot sooner than you wanted 
and usually at the most inopportune moment.

The issue however was a new K3 owner, trying out his radio, encountered 
some behavior [which it seems went away] that he didn't understand.  His 
conclusion was, "Elecraft delivers software with bugs."  A rather stark 
conclusion from one attempt to power up a radio.

I used to do a lot of things, one was software, worked on Apollo. 
"Compiler liked it ... it must be OK.":-))

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/16/2015 7:14 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> I also write software, which has bugs.
>
> wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/

From k8xf4 at verizon.net  Fri Jan 16 22:52:55 2015
From: k8xf4 at verizon.net (Mike Zbrozek)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:52:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
Message-ID: <057a01d03209$13e76290$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>



Hello Group-

Since Elecraft makes an 222 MHz Xverter I wonder how many ops
have built one? I noticed that its more of a kit, soldering parts to
the circuit board. I also wonder how much activity there is around
the country on 222 regarding weak signal work and cw/ssb ops?
I have rigs for 144 and 432 since I am an ex Amsat opr.....

Thanks in Advance

73
Mike K8XF



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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 22:59:10 2015
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:59:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Software perfection
In-Reply-To: <D0DF241A.8D0E%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0DF241A.8D0E%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <54B9DE0E.9060300@gmail.com>

Straight out of college I was one of 100+ design engineers on the Mode-S 
FAA air traffic control system - multiprocessor, fault-tolerant system, 
etc.  The design docs (let alone software) filled volumes.  Much as I 
hope there were zero bugs in the complex system, it was after all 
designed by people...

One thing I recall is that the FAA contract permitted 1 second of down 
time per year.  :-)

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 01/16/2015 10:28 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> You do exactly that every time you fly (commercial).
>
> But it didn?t stop me either.  That?s what the humans are for.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR (ex-CFI)
>
>> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:40:54 -0700
>> From: Doug Person via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>> [...] Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the
>> world's greatest software tester would still be something I would never
>> risk my life with.
>>
>> 73, Doug -- K0DXV

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 23:01:36 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54B9CED5.8080905@sonic.net>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> On the other hand, human drivers are hardly perfect either.  Perhaps the
> buggy software will be more reliable than an inattentive driver...


Maybe it will...  The conversation gets intelligent when the principal
concepts are seen for what they really are, doesn't it.

The trick will be to beta test (on the real road) and fix, beta test and
fix, beta test and fix. But they won't get me in one unless I'm sitting in
the driver's seat with instant override. I haven't gotten to letting the
Ford parallel park itself. Just can't go there. 40+ years in software
development has left me with scars.

The thing with Elecraft is that the management decided to harvest customer
experience. As a result we have years of customer-driven fixes and
improvements, some of it not found anywhere else. SAS Institute used that
philosophy to drive a 1970's statistical system into the largest privately
owned software company in the world, a 4 billion a year world-wide business
based on uber-statistics, that is the BMW, Mercedes and Cadillac of its
niche. Customers told SAS what the next thing needed to be, and SAS
listened to them.  Elecraft is in some pretty heady company by my reckoning.

73, Guy.

From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Sat Jan 17 03:18:42 2015
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:18:42 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software
Message-ID: <22403314.1546.1421482722736.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Many moons ago I worked at a bank (software dept) and we had been running a daily check reading program reading the magnetic line from a check and sorting accordingly. Well this program read 600,000 checks a day - every working day of the year (that's about 250) then after it had been running about 6 years it fell over one day - a particular combinations of checks and the way they were batched. Now that sounds to me like a LOT of testing (600,000 * 250 * 6 = 900 million). So to expect all software to be perfect is not realistic. As to not using or trusting software - well whatever you do don't fly as all modern aircraft are software platforms!!
Andy G4HUE

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 17 03:40:26 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 00:40:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
Message-ID: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>

I think there is a big difference in flight software. In Boeing airplanes
the pilot is assisted by software. In Airbuses the pilot is allowed to fly
the airplane if the software thinks he/she is qualified. There has been at
least one airbus crash blamed on software and several other questionable
crashes. 
Unix has a dam-it key. (Dam it let me do this even though you (the computer)
think it's wrong.) I bet the airbus pilots wish they had one too.

Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ANDY
NEHAN
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 12:19 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software

Many moons ago I worked at a bank (software dept) and we had been running a
daily check reading program reading the magnetic line from a check and
sorting accordingly. Well this program read 600,000 checks a day - every
working day of the year (that's about 250) then after it had been running
about 6 years it fell over one day - a particular combinations of checks and
the way they were batched. Now that sounds to me like a LOT of testing
(600,000 * 250 * 6 = 900 million). So to expect all software to be perfect
is not realistic. As to not using or trusting software - well whatever you
do don't fly as all modern aircraft are software platforms!!
Andy G4HUE


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Jan 17 03:43:38 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:43:38 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
Message-ID: <201501170843.t0H8hcxb097156@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Well this is now OT, but

Consider that most commercial aircraft run auto-pilot for most of 
their flight and most ships also use auto-pilot.  It does seem scary 
to think of an automobile on automatic control but it will probably 
end up safer in the long-run.  I suspect the diamond lanes to be 
where its initially tried and on divided hwy's probably it will be 
lane specific so manual merging on/off  can be handled.  I think it 
interesting (amusing) to see all the new driving condition selections 
for traction on newer cars.  But I suspect it like the auto-parking 
features are predecessors to auto-drive.  "snooze-cruise" - yeah!

Re: bug proof, I once read that cpu's are now so complicated that 
they are not fully tested as there are too many states to run 
thru.  ATE does most QA testing on production lines these days and 
they test the essential functions. Computing is on the verge of 
Artificial Intelligence so when it seems your computer had taken on a 
personality - maybe it has?

K3 to Dave: "Dave your messing with my bw"!  "Stop Dave or I will 
throw you out the airlock"!  apologizes to Sir Arthur and 2001 Space Odyssey.

73, Ed - KL7UW
"engage warp drive - now!"

-----------
From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
Message-ID: <54B9CED5.8080905 at sonic.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

On 01/16/2015 06:40 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
 > Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the
 > world's greatest software tester would still be something I would
 > never risk my life with.

Self-driving cars are supposed to be the wave of the future.  Google
already has prototypes on the road.  The software must be insanely
complicated.  There's no way it won't have bugs.

On the other hand, human drivers are hardly perfect either.  Perhaps the
buggy software will be more reliable than an inattentive driver...

Alan N1AL


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Sat Jan 17 04:27:05 2015
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:27:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
In-Reply-To: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>
References: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>
Message-ID: <5VS4cuApriuUFwco@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

In a recent message, George Averill <averill at mchsi.com> writes
>Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used to 
>attach the small knobs on a K1?

I have just measured mine, George, and it is 1.25mm, or 0.050" for folks 
who are still using Imperial measurements.

73 de David G4DMP

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From df1oe at live.de  Sat Jan 17 05:00:54 2015
From: df1oe at live.de (Roland_DF1OE)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 03:00:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed: K1 AF sidetone loudness proble
In-Reply-To: <DUB407-EAS403B2785029385B84C8873EFA400@phx.gbl>
References: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
	<DUB407-EAS962368E1B0D5B0DC782652FA420@phx.gbl>
	<54B32A96.3020402@embarqmail.com>
	<DUB407-EAS403B2785029385B84C8873EFA400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1421488854908-7597196.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello, i got it fixed.
The fix was described earlier in this thread - replacement of Q10 (2N7000
Mosfet) and Q11 (J309 JFET) on the RF Board did it for me. By the way: The
J309 seems to be discontinued..
Thanks all
Roland, DF1OE



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 08:05:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:05:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
In-Reply-To: <5VS4cuApriuUFwco@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>
	<5VS4cuApriuUFwco@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54BA5E03.8050509@embarqmail.com>

David,

I don't believe you will find a proper fitting wrench in a set of metric 
Allen wrenches.  1mm is too small and 1.5mm is too big :-) .  Those with 
only metric wrenches should guard the ones that come with the K1 (K2, 
KX1, K3, KX3 etc.) carefully.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 4:27 AM, David G4DMP wrote:
> In a recent message, George Averill <averill at mchsi.com> writes
>> Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used 
>> to attach the small knobs on a K1?
>
> I have just measured mine, George, and it is 1.25mm, or 0.050" for 
> folks who are still using Imperial measurements.
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 08:41:30 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:41:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMUxp4-aOjSGzGwsxdgaML9Kiu0VtzdCwmKFZsV4DaG8Q@mail.gmail.com>

"K3 to Dave".....Boy, recognized the  genesis of the phrase instantly, even
though across the decades.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 17, 2015 1:44 AM, "Edward R Cole" <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:

> Well this is now OT, but
>
> Consider that most commercial aircraft run auto-pilot for most of their
> flight and most ships also use auto-pilot.  It does seem scary to think of
> an automobile on automatic control but it will probably end up safer in the
> long-run.  I suspect the diamond lanes to be where its initially tried and
> on divided hwy's probably it will be lane specific so manual merging
> on/off  can be handled.  I think it interesting (amusing) to see all the
> new driving condition selections for traction on newer cars.  But I suspect
> it like the auto-parking features are predecessors to auto-drive.
> "snooze-cruise" - yeah!
>
> Re: bug proof, I once read that cpu's are now so complicated that they are
> not fully tested as there are too many states to run thru.  ATE does most
> QA testing on production lines these days and they test the essential
> functions. Computing is on the verge of Artificial Intelligence so when it
> seems your computer had taken on a personality - maybe it has?
>
> K3 to Dave: "Dave your messing with my bw"!  "Stop Dave or I will throw
> you out the airlock"!  apologizes to Sir Arthur and 2001 Space Odyssey.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> "engage warp drive - now!"
>
> -----------
> From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
> Message-ID: <54B9CED5.8080905 at sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> On 01/16/2015 06:40 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
> > Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the
> > world's greatest software tester would still be something I would
> > never risk my life with.
>
> Self-driving cars are supposed to be the wave of the future.  Google
> already has prototypes on the road.  The software must be insanely
> complicated.  There's no way it won't have bugs.
>
> On the other hand, human drivers are hardly perfect either.  Perhaps the
> buggy software will be more reliable than an inattentive driver...
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
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From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 09:16:46 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:16:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] FYI - Eneloop XX Battery Manufacturer Change
Message-ID: <1784A5DC-E059-4538-8661-AE728FB54550@gmail.com>

I was about to purchase some additional Eneloop XX 2500 mAh batteries this morning from Amazon.com <http://amazon.com/>. I went back to previous purchases and noticed that they were no longer available. Copying-and-pasting in the search window found them again, but they?re now manufactured by Panasonic (previously, they were Sanyo).

I cannot imagine there is any difference in the batteries. I?ve never had anything buy high praises for the Eneloop XX batteries. I put them in *everything* that?s why I need more. :) Eight are in the KX3 at all times and I have about eight more scattered throughout the house in remote controls, BT keyboards, etc.

If you don?t hear anything back from me, I guess they work just fine. :)

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Jan 17 09:31:25 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting the bugs fixed
Message-ID: <54BA723D.2040808@nycap.rr.com>

When it comes to bugs (software and/or hardware) I do not feel there is 
another ham radio manufacturer as responsive as Elecraft.

I personally experienced this when I first got my KAT500/KPA500 units. 
Long story and loads of emails - within a couple of weeks I was sent a 
new software to install. Elecraft had listened - without making excuses 
or attempting to redirect the problem. My problem vanished and I have 
been enjoying my K-Line ever since. A flawless system that meets all of 
my needs perfectly (other's mileage may vary).

I can tell you from experience, not rumors or tall tales, that other 
current manufacturers I have dealt with would not have been anywhere as 
responsive. Kudos to Elecraft!

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Sat Jan 17 10:00:34 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:00:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
Message-ID: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>

I want to verify my understanding. In the interest of protecting the output transistor(s) against a mishap in one's antenna system, would it be better to tune at 10 watts (finals off) or at 15 watts (finals on)? 
 
Or is the driver so well protected that it doesn't matter?

Dick, n0ce
 

 
 
 		 	   		  

From sasimpson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 10:21:12 2015
From: sasimpson at gmail.com (Scott Simpson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:21:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] FYI - Eneloop XX Battery Manufacturer Change
In-Reply-To: <1784A5DC-E059-4538-8661-AE728FB54550@gmail.com>
References: <1784A5DC-E059-4538-8661-AE728FB54550@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP=6jy_cE4nCHGjhfDwLxy6jM+AUAx8oXUXJoZEkv1=hivPDbw@mail.gmail.com>

I've had good luck with the Amazon basics high capacity, i think they are
basically the same as the Eneloop XX.

scott
sasimpson at gmail.com

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Joel Black <joel.b.black at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was about to purchase some additional Eneloop XX 2500 mAh batteries this
> morning from Amazon.com <http://amazon.com/>. I went back to previous
> purchases and noticed that they were no longer available.
> Copying-and-pasting in the search window found them again, but they?re now
> manufactured by Panasonic (previously, they were Sanyo).
>
> I cannot imagine there is any difference in the batteries. I?ve never had
> anything buy high praises for the Eneloop XX batteries. I put them in
> *everything* that?s why I need more. :) Eight are in the KX3 at all times
> and I have about eight more scattered throughout the house in remote
> controls, BT keyboards, etc.
>
> If you don?t hear anything back from me, I guess they work just fine. :)
>
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
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From edouard at lafargue.name  Sat Jan 17 10:41:26 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 07:41:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] FYI - Eneloop XX Battery Manufacturer Change
In-Reply-To: <1784A5DC-E059-4538-8661-AE728FB54550@gmail.com>
References: <1784A5DC-E059-4538-8661-AE728FB54550@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsUEDE2pfa4SGh6C1Cvaavkjg9xsNU-uELJqjqwiGMG4pw@mail.gmail.com>

The explanation is that Sanyo and Panasonic merged some time ago, and they
finally retired the Sanyo brand. But those are the same batteries.

Ed, w6ela

(phone)
On Jan 17, 2015 6:17 AM, "Joel Black" <joel.b.black at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was about to purchase some additional Eneloop XX 2500 mAh batteries this
> morning from Amazon.com <http://amazon.com/>. I went back to previous
> purchases and noticed that they were no longer available.
> Copying-and-pasting in the search window found them again, but they?re now
> manufactured by Panasonic (previously, they were Sanyo).
>
> I cannot imagine there is any difference in the batteries. I?ve never had
> anything buy high praises for the Eneloop XX batteries. I put them in
> *everything* that?s why I need more. :) Eight are in the KX3 at all times
> and I have about eight more scattered throughout the house in remote
> controls, BT keyboards, etc.
>
> If you don?t hear anything back from me, I guess they work just fine. :)
>
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
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From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sat Jan 17 10:46:40 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:46:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045620EC18@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Hi Dick,
The K3 uses either 5 or 10 watts to tune the internal KAT3 tuner.  Mine uses 5 watts and I'm not sure under what conditions it would use 10 watts.  You can see the tuning power used briefly displayed in the VFO B area when you tap the ATU TUNE button.

By the way, the TUN PWR menu doesn't affect the power used when tuning the tuner.  It sets the power output when you hold the TUNE button.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Richard Fjeld
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:01 AM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
> 
> I want to verify my understanding. In the interest of protecting the
> output transistor(s) against a mishap in one's antenna system, would it
> be better to tune at 10 watts (finals off) or at 15 watts (finals on)?
> 
> Or is the driver so well protected that it doesn't matter?
> 
> Dick, n0ce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 11:06:52 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:06:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54BA889C.7040807@embarqmail.com>

Dick,

It is easier on the K3 to tune at 15 or 20 watts.
Reason -- at 10 watts, only the low power PA is active and it will be 
operating near the upper end of its range.
Increasing the power activates the 100 watt amp and at 15 or 20 watts, 
everything is loafing along at much less than its full output.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 10:00 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
> I want to verify my understanding. In the interest of protecting the output transistor(s) against a mishap in one's antenna system, would it be better to tune at 10 watts (finals off) or at 15 watts (finals on)?
>   
> Or is the driver so well protected that it doesn't matter?
>
>


From k0az at centurytel.net  Sat Jan 17 12:41:41 2015
From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:41:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Transverters for sale XV50 and XV144
Message-ID: <000a01d0327c$dad04480$9070cd80$@centurytel.net>

I have an XV50 and 144 that I want to sell. They both work, look good and
come
with documentation. Included are the I/O cables for both units that go to a
K2 and
a DB9 to be adapted with a USB for the computer. They come with the BNC
pigtails
to daisy chain them together. 6 and 2 meters. Hook up your K2 I/O port, your
KV60, your computer
and your 6 and 2 meter antennas and you're on the air. They come with fused
power
cables with Anderson power pole connectors.  I will ship both units priority
mail
for $550.00 and take Paypal.  73 es HNY. 

                 

?                                                         GOD BLESS AMERICA
                                    K?AZ    Mike Sanders   EM37cd
www.k0az.com
                                                             SouthWest
Missouri         
?


       









From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan 17 13:13:28 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:13:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

The Airbus software won't let the pilot do anything that might break the 
airplane.  The Boeing software doesn't have the same limits.

I believe there are accidents attributed to both.

For critical systems, there are often two different programs, written by 
different groups of programmers, either of which can "fly" the 
airplane.  The assumption is that they'll have different bugs.

On 1/17/2015 12:40 AM, Fred Townsend wrote:
> I think there is a big difference in flight software. In Boeing airplanes
> the pilot is assisted by software. In Airbuses the pilot is allowed to fly
> the airplane if the software thinks he/she is qualified. There has been at
> least one airbus crash blamed on software and several other questionable
> crashes.


From w2lj at verizon.net  Sat Jan 17 13:32:59 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:32:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] January RFTB Tomorrow Night!
Message-ID: <997227.91621.bm@smtp113.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Tomorrow night is the January 2015 edition of the Run For The Bacon.  That friendly lil' ol' QRP Sprint sponsored by your friends at the Flying Pigs QRP Amateur Radio Club International.  Join us for a spell to have some fun and to say "Hi" to friends, old and new.

The time is the same as always:

East coast - 9:00 to 11:00 PM local time
Midwest - 8:00 to 10:00 PM local time
Rockies - 7:00 to 9:00 PM local time
West coast - 6:00 to 8:00 PM local time

The rules are at:

http://fpqrp.org/pigrun/


73 de Larry W2LJ
FP# 612
QRP ARCI# 4488


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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jan 17 13:54:00 2015
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:54:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>

Otherwise known as the strategy perfected by JPL in 1998 for the Mars 
Climate Orbiter . . . one in English units and the other in metric.

K9ZTV


On 1/17/2015 12:13 PM, someone wrote:
> For critical systems, there are often two different programs, written 
> by different groups of programmers, either of which can "fly" the 
> airplane.  The assumption is that they'll have different bugs.


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan 17 14:09:23 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:09:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
Message-ID: <54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Totally different.  This was not "flight software" -- and it wasn't all 
software, either.

I'm sure we're over the OT limit, but it's really difficult for those of 
us who did this for a living to read posts from people who don't know 
what it takes to actually do.

On 1/17/2015 10:54 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Otherwise known as the strategy perfected by JPL in 1998 for the Mars 
> Climate Orbiter . . . one in English units and the other in metric.
>
> K9ZTV 


From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jan 17 14:15:08 2015
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:15:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>

Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.

K9ZTV


On 1/17/2015 1:09 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Totally different.  This was not "flight software" -- and it wasn't 
> all software, either.
>
> I'm sure we're over the OT limit, but it's really difficult for those 
> of us who did this for a living to read posts from people who don't 
> know what it takes to actually do.
>
> On 1/17/2015 10:54 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>> Otherwise known as the strategy perfected by JPL in 1998 for the Mars 
>> Climate Orbiter . . . one in English units and the other in metric.
>>
>> K9ZTV 
>
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From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 17 14:30:50 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>, <54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>,
	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <COL127-W46AD32DBB34F269EA73484D04C0@phx.gbl>

Is that software for a single... or a pair of trotters? 
Or... is it actually for a surrey?  Fringed?
So many questions... so few answers......

;-O

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 


 		 	   		  

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 14:37:24 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:37:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone want a Flex 1500 for your KX3?
Message-ID: <E19946D1-AC5A-419E-92E3-F4404690A542@gmail.com>

I have a Flex 1500 with full MARS mod and the optional knob.
Looking for anther KX3..
Frank KG9H


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan 17 14:41:59 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:41:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
Message-ID: <54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the findings of the Mars Climate 
Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board.

Facts can be so inconvenient.

On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>
> K9ZTV 


From ho13dave at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 15:09:24 2015
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:09:24 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BAC174.30908@gmail.com>


Since I'm the one who began this thread, I'll update with the info 
received from Elecraft. Someone might look it up and want to know . . .

They say that, yes, when going into AM mode via the MODE button, with 
VOX ON, the K3 "will sometimes go into TX momentarily". So this is a 
known bug. And, since it is "sometimes", that would account for why it 
comes and goes on the K3 here.

If I get any additional info I will pass it along.

Note that the quote above is an actual quote, not something I made up 
and attributed to Elecraft. Have to put this disclaimer in here since 
one responder made up a quote and attributed it to me . . .

73 de dave
ab9ca/4


From billgerth at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 15:18:38 2015
From: billgerth at embarqmail.com (Bill Gerth)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
	<54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <289CE0A7-E7C9-4606-8122-EC406E70C5CF@embarqmail.com>

Then, would you be so kind as to enlighten us?

73,
BILL
W4RK

On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:

> Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the findings of the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board.
> 
> Facts can be so inconvenient.
> 
> On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>> 
>> K9ZTV 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan 17 15:20:50 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:20:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed: K1 AF sidetone loudness proble
In-Reply-To: <1421488854908-7597196.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1420815479407-7596933.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<54B0976E.3020903@embarqmail.com>
	<DUB407-EAS962368E1B0D5B0DC782652FA420@phx.gbl>
	<54B32A96.3020402@embarqmail.com>
	<DUB407-EAS403B2785029385B84C8873EFA400@phx.gbl>
	<1421488854908-7597196.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6AD95381-3931-445D-97DA-D44179A8F9B2@elecraft.com>

There are thousands of J309s in stock spread across several different vendors. So while the part is discontinued, we've had no trouble obtaining plenty of stock for our products that use them, going well into the future.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 17, 2015, at 2:00 AM, Roland_DF1OE <df1oe at live.de> wrote:

> Hello, i got it fixed.
> The fix was described earlier in this thread - replacement of Q10 (2N7000
> Mosfet) and Q11 (J309 JFET) on the RF Board did it for me. By the way: The
> J309 seems to be discontinued..
> Thanks all
> Roland, DF1OE
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jan 17 15:24:26 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:24:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
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This is getting pretty far off topic, even for someone who has been writing software for 30 years. See you on the 66 foot band.

A private response might be a good idea. Or hey, a sked!

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 17, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Bill Gerth <billgerth at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Then, would you be so kind as to enlighten us?
> 
> 73,
> BILL
> W4RK
> 
> On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
> 
>> Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the findings of the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board.
>> 
>> Facts can be so inconvenient.
>> 
>> On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>>> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>>> 
>>> K9ZTV 
>> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 15:25:59 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54BAC174.30908@gmail.com>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave,

I am just wondering if Elecraft support actually indicated that this 
condition is a "known bug".

I suspect that with VOX on, the "TX momentarily" would more likely be 
caused by some sort of noise in the shack.
If you have the VOX set sensitive enough, then even tapping on the 
operating desk or moving the microphone (or even chair 'squeaks) can 
cause it to go into transmit easily.
If the ANTIVOX setting is too low, that may trip the K3 into transmit 
with sound from the speaker (or leakage from the headphones.
You may want to check your MENU: VOX GN and MENU:ANTIVOX settings to be 
certain they are not the problem.
Those settings are dependent on the sensitivity of the microphone, 
proximity of the mic to the speakers, and other factors dependent on 
your shack and the ambient noise conditions in the shack, so settings 
that are good for one situation will likely not work well in your 
situation.  The K3 manual text gives some hints for achieving the proper 
settings for your shack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 3:09 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Since I'm the one who began this thread, I'll update with the info 
> received from Elecraft. Someone might look it up and want to know . . .
>
> They say that, yes, when going into AM mode via the MODE button, with 
> VOX ON, the K3 "will sometimes go into TX momentarily". So this is a 
> known bug. And, since it is "sometimes", that would account for why it 
> comes and goes on the K3 here.
>


From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jan 17 15:30:46 2015
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:30:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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	<54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>

Facts can also be factual.

Kent  K9ZTV


/On November 10, 1999, the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap Investigation 
Board released a Phase I report, detailing the suspected issues 
encountered with the loss of the spacecraft. Previously, on September 8, 
1999, Trajectory Correction Maneuver-4 was computed and then executed on 
September 15, 1999. It was intended to place the spacecraft at an 
optimal position for an orbital insertion maneuver that would bring the 
spacecraft around Mars at an altitude of 226 kilometers on September 23, 
1999. However, during the week between TCM-4 and the orbital insertion 
maneuver, the navigation team indicated the altitude may be much lower 
than intended at 150 to 170 kilometers. Twenty-four hours prior to 
orbital insertion, calculations placed the orbiter at an altitude of 110 
kilometers; 80 kilometers is the minimum altitude that Mars Climate 
Orbiter was thought to be capable of surviving during this maneuver. 
Post-failure calculations showed that the spacecraft was on a trajectory 
that would have taken the orbiter within 57 kilometers of the surface, 
where the spacecraft likely disintegrated because of atmospheric 
stresses. /

/_The primary cause of this discrepancy was that one piece of ground 
software supplied by _Lockheed Martin 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin>_produced results in a 
_United States customary unit 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units>_("American"), 
contrary to its Software Interface Specification (SIS), while a second 
system, supplied by _NASA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA>_, that 
used those results expected them to be in metric units, in accord with 
the SIS. _Software that calculated the total impulse produced by 
thruster firings calculated results in pound-seconds. The trajectory 
calculation used these results to correct the predicted position of the 
spacecraft for the effects of thruster firings. This software expected 
its inputs to be in newton-seconds.^[16] 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#cite_note-Mishap-17> /

//

/The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in 
the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had 
been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were 
dismissed. A meeting of trajectory software engineers, trajectory 
software operators (navigators), propulsion engineers, and managers, was 
convened to consider the possibility of executing Trajectory Correction 
Maneuver-5, which was in the schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall 
an agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was ultimately not done./



On 1/17/2015 1:41 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the findings of the Mars Climate 
> Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board.
>
> Facts can be so inconvenient.
>
> On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>>
>> K9ZTV 
>
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From ho13dave at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 15:48:37 2015
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:48:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
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Don,

There is no mic attached to the K3 here. This info was included in 
info sent to K3support.

But, even if random noise was the case, why would it occur only when 
going into AM and not SSB or data?

I think known bug.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 1/17/15 2:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I am just wondering if Elecraft support actually indicated that this
> condition is a "known bug".
>
> I suspect that with VOX on, the "TX momentarily" would more likely be
> caused by some sort of noise in the shack.
> If you have the VOX set sensitive enough, then even tapping on the
> operating desk or moving the microphone (or even chair 'squeaks) can
> cause it to go into transmit easily.
> If the ANTIVOX setting is too low, that may trip the K3 into transmit
> with sound from the speaker (or leakage from the headphones.
> You may want to check your MENU: VOX GN and MENU:ANTIVOX settings to
> be certain they are not the problem.
> Those settings are dependent on the sensitivity of the microphone,
> proximity of the mic to the speakers, and other factors dependent on
> your shack and the ambient noise conditions in the shack, so settings
> that are good for one situation will likely not work well in your
> situation.  The K3 manual text gives some hints for achieving the
> proper settings for your shack.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/17/2015 3:09 PM, dave wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm the one who began this thread, I'll update with the info
>> received from Elecraft. Someone might look it up and want to know . . .
>>
>> They say that, yes, when going into AM mode via the MODE button,
>> with VOX ON, the K3 "will sometimes go into TX momentarily". So this
>> is a known bug. And, since it is "sometimes", that would account for
>> why it comes and goes on the K3 here.
>>
>
>

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Sat Jan 17 15:50:30 2015
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:50:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
In-Reply-To: <54BA5E03.8050509@embarqmail.com>
References: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>	<5VS4cuApriuUFwco@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <54BACB16.3010400@xs4all.nl>

Don,

On the other hand, Wikipedia says:
Hex keys are measured across-flats (AF), which is the distance between 
two opposite (parallel) flat sides of the key. Standard metric sizes are 
defined in ISO 2936:2001 "Assembly tools for screws and nuts?Hexagon 
socket screw keys", also known as DIN 911, and, measured in millimetres 
(mm) are:

     0.7, 0.9, 1.0, 1.25, 1.3, 1.5
     2 to 6 in 0.5 mm increments
     7 to 22 in 1 mm increments
     24, 25, 27, 30, 32, 36, 42 and 46 mm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_key

So 1,25 mm does exist in the metric world and in my set there is one but 
I have the imperial set as well, including 0.05"

However, I do have kept the supplied wrenches for my K2 and KX3 apart 
together with some spare nuts and bolts...

73,
Peter - PA0PJE

Op 2015-01-17 14:05 schreef Don Wilhelm:
> David,
>
> I don't believe you will find a proper fitting wrench in a set of metric
> Allen wrenches.  1mm is too small and 1.5mm is too big :-) .  Those with
> only metric wrenches should guard the ones that come with the K1 (K2,
> KX1, K3, KX3 etc.) carefully.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/17/2015 4:27 AM, David G4DMP wrote:
>> In a recent message, George Averill <averill at mchsi.com> writes
>>> Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used
>>> to attach the small knobs on a K1?
>>
>> I have just measured mine, George, and it is 1.25mm, or 0.050" for
>> folks who are still using Imperial measurements.
>>
>
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From hans.elfelt at me.com  Sat Jan 17 16:11:41 2015
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Elfelt Bonnesen)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO2 and Apple
Message-ID: <FAFC14F4-BE3B-410C-8D19-D7CBF2A8A8E5@me.com>


Comtemplating KIO2 together with Apple Macintosh
Where to look for most recent programmes.
Sorry, never owned a PC.

Hans, OZ5RB


From k9fd at flex.com  Sat Jan 17 16:14:15 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:14:15 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
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	<54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
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Used to think it was reading comprehension,   but........

K9FD/KH6

> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>
> K9ZTV
>
>
> On 1/17/2015 1:09 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Totally different.  This was not "flight software" -- and it wasn't 
>> all software, either.
>>
>> I'm sure we're over the OT limit, but it's really difficult for those 
>> of us who did this for a living to read posts from people who don't 
>> know what it takes to actually do.
>>
>> On 1/17/2015 10:54 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>>> Otherwise known as the strategy perfected by JPL in 1998 for the 
>>> Mars Climate Orbiter . . . one in English units and the other in 
>>> metric.
>>>
>>> K9ZTV 
>>
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jan 17 16:34:52 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:34:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
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	<54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
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This needs to stop here, but since Kent is saying that I don't 
understand, I'm going to reply.  Once.

We were talking about how a hypothetical airliner control system would 
have two different programs, written by different groups, running 
parallel, with either program capable of flying the plane.  Part of the 
flight system could crash that the pilots and passengers would not 
notice.  Airplanes in flight have to have controls that work in 
milliseconds without a glitch.

With MRO, we have Lockheed software doing navigation, but not "flying" 
the spacecraft.  JPL software flew the spacecraft, but did not 
navigate.  If JPL did their own redundant navigation, the error would 
have been caught.

It's not like they didn't have time, there was a week between the 
calculation and the burn.

The facts in the Wikipedia article are correct, it just doesn't describe 
a system that has any redundancy.

I will not comment further on this topic on list.  We're way over the 
limit on off-topic posts.

73 -- Lynn

On 1/17/2015 12:30 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Facts can also be factual.
>
> Kent  K9ZTV
>
> /<snip>/
>
> /_The primary cause of this discrepancy was that one piece of ground 
> software supplied by _Lockheed Martin 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin>_produced results in a 
> _United States customary unit 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units>_("American"), 
> contrary to its Software Interface Specification (SIS), while a second 
> system, supplied by _NASA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA>_, that 
> used those results expected them to be in metric units, in accord with 
> the SIS. _Software that calculated the total impulse produced by 
> thruster firings calculated results in pound-seconds. The trajectory 
> calculation used these results to correct the predicted position of 
> the spacecraft for the effects of thruster firings. This software 
> expected its inputs to be in newton-seconds.^[16] 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#cite_note-Mishap-17> /
>


From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Jan 17 16:40:17 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:40:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
In-Reply-To: <54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
	<54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
Message-ID: <9DCA04BD-B08D-46D0-9361-2B6B4A0F5D46@elecraft.com>

I remember some of the history of IBM's smallest program:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEFBR14

In addition to the changes my friend John Pershing mentions, I recall bug reports due to inadequate comments, and because the number of changes per line of code was high, IEFBR14 was high on a list of modules that needed a rewrite...

Software work helps one with humility...

73 de Dick, K6KR


> On Jan 17, 2015, at 14:30, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
> 
> Facts can also be factual.
> 
> Kent  K9ZTV
> 
> 
> /On November 10, 1999, the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board released a Phase I report, detailing the suspected issues encountered with the loss of the spacecraft. Previously, on September 8, 1999, Trajectory Correction Maneuver-4 was computed and then executed on September 15, 1999. It was intended to place the spacecraft at an optimal position for an orbital insertion maneuver that would bring the spacecraft around Mars at an altitude of 226 kilometers on September 23, 1999. However, during the week between TCM-4 and the orbital insertion maneuver, the navigation team indicated the altitude may be much lower than intended at 150 to 170 kilometers. Twenty-four hours prior to orbital insertion, calculations placed the orbiter at an altitude of 110 kilometers; 80 kilometers is the minimum altitude that Mars Climate Orbiter was thought to be capable of surviving during this maneuver. Post-failure calculations showed that the spacecraft was on a trajectory that would have taken the orbiter within 57 kilometers of the surface, where the spacecraft likely disintegrated because of atmospheric stresses. /
> 
> /_The primary cause of this discrepancy was that one piece of ground software supplied by _Lockheed Martin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin>_produced results in a _United States customary unit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units>_("American"), contrary to its Software Interface Specification (SIS), while a second system, supplied by _NASA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA>_, that used those results expected them to be in metric units, in accord with the SIS. _Software that calculated the total impulse produced by thruster firings calculated results in pound-seconds. The trajectory calculation used these results to correct the predicted position of the spacecraft for the effects of thruster firings. This software expected its inputs to be in newton-seconds.^[16] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#cite_note-Mishap-17> /
> 
> //
> 
> /The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were dismissed. A meeting of trajectory software engineers, trajectory software operators (navigators), propulsion engineers, and managers, was convened to consider the possibility of executing Trajectory Correction Maneuver-5, which was in the schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall an agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was ultimately not done./
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/17/2015 1:41 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the findings of the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap Investigation Board.
>> 
>> Facts can be so inconvenient.
>> 
>>> On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>>> Good quips always sail over at least one person's head.
>>> 
>>> K9ZTV 
>> 
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 17 16:45:02 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:45:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software  OT
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I wonder if the design not being done to spec
/
//The primary cause of this discrepancy was that 
one piece of ground software supplied by _Lockheed 
Martin 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin>_produced 
results in a _United States customary unit 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units>_("American"), 
contrary to its Software Interface Specification 
(SIS),/

qualifies as a "bug" -- vs. a design mistake?

Phil W7OX

On 1/17/15 12:30 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> Facts can also be factual.
>
> Kent  K9ZTV
>
>
> /On November 10, 1999, the Mars Climate Orbiter 
> Mishap Investigation Board released a Phase I 
> report, detailing the suspected issues 
> encountered with the loss of the spacecraft. 
> Previously, on September 8, 1999, Trajectory 
> Correction Maneuver-4 was computed and then 
> executed on September 15, 1999. It was intended 
> to place the spacecraft at an optimal position 
> for an orbital insertion maneuver that would 
> bring the spacecraft around Mars at an altitude 
> of 226 kilometers on September 23, 1999. 
> However, during the week between TCM-4 and the 
> orbital insertion maneuver, the navigation team 
> indicated the altitude may be much lower than 
> intended at 150 to 170 kilometers. Twenty-four 
> hours prior to orbital insertion, calculations 
> placed the orbiter at an altitude of 110 
> kilometers; 80 kilometers is the minimum 
> altitude that Mars Climate Orbiter was thought 
> to be capable of surviving during this maneuver. 
> Post-failure calculations showed that the 
> spacecraft was on a trajectory that would have 
> taken the orbiter within 57 kilometers of the 
> surface, where the spacecraft likely 
> disintegrated because of atmospheric stresses. /
>
> /_The primary cause of this discrepancy was that 
> one piece of ground software supplied by 
> _Lockheed Martin 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin>_produced 
> results in a _United States customary unit 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units>_("American"), 
> contrary to its Software Interface Specification 
> (SIS), while a second system, supplied by _NASA 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA>_, that used 
> those results expected them to be in metric 
> units, in accord with the SIS. _Software that 
> calculated the total impulse produced by 
> thruster firings calculated results in 
> pound-seconds. The trajectory calculation used 
> these results to correct the predicted position 
> of the spacecraft for the effects of thruster 
> firings. This software expected its inputs to be 
> in newton-seconds.^[16] 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#cite_note-Mishap-17> 
> /
>
> //
>
> /The discrepancy between calculated and measured 
> position, resulting in the discrepancy between 
> desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had 
> been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, 
> whose concerns were dismissed. A meeting of 
> trajectory software engineers, trajectory 
> software operators (navigators), propulsion 
> engineers, and managers, was convened to 
> consider the possibility of executing Trajectory 
> Correction Maneuver-5, which was in the 
> schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall an 
> agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was 
> ultimately not done./
>
>
>
> On 1/17/2015 1:41 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Good quip, but it doesn't agree with the 
>> findings of the Mars Climate Orbiter Mishap 
>> Investigation Board.
>>
>> Facts can be so inconvenient.
>>
>> On 1/17/2015 11:15 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>>> Good quips always sail over at least one 
>>> person's head.
>>>
>>> K9ZTV


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 16:53:11 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 08:53:11 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO2 and Apple
In-Reply-To: <FAFC14F4-BE3B-410C-8D19-D7CBF2A8A8E5@me.com>
References: <FAFC14F4-BE3B-410C-8D19-D7CBF2A8A8E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <780DE8C2-2A18-47B3-B9F0-74C50AC01276@gmail.com>

For general logging on the Mac I use the free Rumlog program (very powerful):
http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html

For contesting, I use N1MM running under a windows VM on VMWare Fusion for Mac.


73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 18 Jan 2015, at 8:11 am, Hans Elfelt Bonnesen <hans.elfelt at me.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Comtemplating KIO2 together with Apple Macintosh
> Where to look for most recent programmes.
> Sorry, never owned a PC.
> 
> Hans, OZ5RB
> 
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From zabarnick at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 16:57:16 2015
From: zabarnick at gmail.com (zabarnick .)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:57:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. or Trade KFL1-2 Filter board of K1 (20 and 15
	meters)
Message-ID: <CALWVv_Ph6yjoHSDF22oJCuOY1s64paOjs9RDxkHrhkxRw5PR7g@mail.gmail.com>

I have a working, excellent conditions KFL1-2 K1 2 band filter board
for 20 and 15 meters. I am interested in trading for a KAT1 or KFL1-2
with 30 and 17 meters.

I am also willing to sell the board for $60 including shipping to CONUS.

Please contact me off list

Steve N9SZ
zabarnick at gmail.com

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 17:58:30 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54BACAA5.3060203@gmail.com>
References: <54B86302.3080303@socal.rr.com>	<539191697.1152658.1421373070230.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>	<CANckpc1+X7XWXGiTr1zV-nhEC6HF97MGFOp77hVmuEuacM6NUg@mail.gmail.com>	<54BAC174.30908@gmail.com>
	<54BAC557.8090304@embarqmail.com> <54BACAA5.3060203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BAE916.5010505@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Maybe I overlooked it in your initial post, but I did not realize you 
had no microphone connected.
Given those additional facts, I also believe there is some kind of bug 
causing it.  It is good that you noticed it.  I don't think the majority 
of K3 users use it for AM mode (even though it does a good job there) 
and may not have noticed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 3:48 PM, dave wrote:
> Don,
>
> There is no mic attached to the K3 here. This info was included in 
> info sent to K3support.
>
> But, even if random noise was the case, why would it occur only when 
> going into AM and not SSB or data?
>
> I think known bug.
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
>
>
>
> On 1/17/15 2:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> I am just wondering if Elecraft support actually indicated that this
>> condition is a "known bug".
>>
>> I suspect that with VOX on, the "TX momentarily" would more likely be
>> caused by some sort of noise in the shack.
>> If you have the VOX set sensitive enough, then even tapping on the
>> operating desk or moving the microphone (or even chair 'squeaks) can
>> cause it to go into transmit easily.
>> If the ANTIVOX setting is too low, that may trip the K3 into transmit
>> with sound from the speaker (or leakage from the headphones.
>> You may want to check your MENU: VOX GN and MENU:ANTIVOX settings to
>> be certain they are not the problem.
>> Those settings are dependent on the sensitivity of the microphone,
>> proximity of the mic to the speakers, and other factors dependent on
>> your shack and the ambient noise conditions in the shack, so settings
>> that are good for one situation will likely not work well in your
>> situation.  The K3 manual text gives some hints for achieving the
>> proper settings for your shack.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 1/17/2015 3:09 PM, dave wrote:
>>>
>>> Since I'm the one who began this thread, I'll update with the info
>>> received from Elecraft. Someone might look it up and want to know . . .
>>>
>>> They say that, yes, when going into AM mode via the MODE button,
>>> with VOX ON, the K3 "will sometimes go into TX momentarily". So this
>>> is a known bug. And, since it is "sometimes", that would account for
>>> why it comes and goes on the K3 here.
>>>
>>
>>
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From tk at nk4i.com  Sat Jan 17 18:09:39 2015
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA WaterFall Marker Issue
Message-ID: <54BAEBB3.6040600@nk4i.com>

Just loaded the latest P3 Beta to get WaterFall Markers.  Thanks for the 
feature.

But...  I noticed a curious behavior.  Using the button on my P3 which 
is programmed for WfallMkrs I noticed it's not controlling the SVGA 
marker as it does the P3 display marker.

If I start with VFO A Marker off and Waterfall Marker off.  Turn on VFO 
A marker then tap the button for the Waterfall Marker.  P3 behaves 
normally.  The SVGA does not display the Waterfall Marker.  If I tap the 
MKR A button on the P3 to turn it off, then tap it again to turn the VFO 
marker back on, both the P3 and SVGA display the Waterfall Marker.  If I 
then tap the button I have programmed for WfallMkrs the P3 turns off as 
expected but the SVGA continues showing the marker.  Two taps of the MKR 
A button to turn off and then back on gets the displays in sync again.

Tighe
NK4I

-- 
Tighe Kuykendall
NK4I  |  www.NK4I.com  |  @NK4I
ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467, FISTS #16746, SKCC #12217

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 17 18:13:40 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:13:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. or Trade KFL1-2 Filter board of K1 (20 and 15
 meters)
In-Reply-To: <CALWVv_Ph6yjoHSDF22oJCuOY1s64paOjs9RDxkHrhkxRw5PR7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALWVv_Ph6yjoHSDF22oJCuOY1s64paOjs9RDxkHrhkxRw5PR7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BAECA4.2010801@embarqmail.com>

Steve,

You may want to consider just changing the bands on that 2 band board.
Elecraft sells a K1 Band Module kit for any band for $7.50.  So for $15 
plus about $3.50 shipping and a bit of work to change the crystals, 
capacitors and LPF toroids, you can have the bands that you want.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 4:57 PM, zabarnick . wrote:
> I have a working, excellent conditions KFL1-2 K1 2 band filter board
> for 20 and 15 meters. I am interested in trading for a KAT1 or KFL1-2
> with 30 and 17 meters.
>
> I am also willing to sell the board for $60 including shipping to CONUS.
>
> Please contact me off list
>
> Steve N9SZ
> zabarnick at gmail.com
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 17 18:39:51 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54BAC174.30908@gmail.com>
References: <54BAC174.30908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1062522715.1633784.1421537991350.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the update
I can also replicate this by turning on VOX and switching from Data to AM
Good Catch




      From: dave <ho13dave at gmail.com>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
   

Since I'm the one who began this thread, I'll update with the info 
received from Elecraft. Someone might look it up and want to know . . .

They say that, yes, when going into AM mode via the MODE button, with 
VOX ON, the K3 "will sometimes go into TX momentarily". So this is a 
known bug. And, since it is "sometimes", that would account for why it 
comes and goes on the K3 here.

If I get any additional info I will pass it along.

Note that the quote above is an actual quote, not something I made up 
and attributed to Elecraft. Have to put this disclaimer in here since 
one responder made up a quote and attributed it to me . . .

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

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From tk at nk4i.com  Sat Jan 17 19:38:57 2015
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA WaterFall Marker Issue
In-Reply-To: <54BAEBB3.6040600@nk4i.com>
References: <54BAEBB3.6040600@nk4i.com>
Message-ID: <54BB00A1.10606@nk4i.com>

Two more observations.

If I turn the Waterfall Marker on and have it displaying on both P3 and 
SVGA then tap the assigned button to turn the Waterfall Mark off, it 
stops displaying on the P3 but on the SVGA where the marker is 
displaying the marker stays with the VFO frequency.  If I turn the P3 
knob to move the VFO A marker the waterfall line stays centered on the 
VFO Frequency and with a knob tap to QSY the marker line remains with 
the VFO A frequency.

The MKR A frequency display in the upper left corner of the SVGA display 
disappears after a knob tap to QSY.  The marker frequency continues to 
be displayed on the P3 display.  Don't recall if it was that way before 
the upgrade.

Tighe
NK4I



On 1/17/15 6:09 PM, Tighe Kuykendall wrote:
> Just loaded the latest P3 Beta to get WaterFall Markers.  Thanks for the
> feature.
>
> But...  I noticed a curious behavior.  Using the button on my P3 which
> is programmed for WfallMkrs I noticed it's not controlling the SVGA
> marker as it does the P3 display marker.
>
> If I start with VFO A Marker off and Waterfall Marker off.  Turn on VFO
> A marker then tap the button for the Waterfall Marker.  P3 behaves
> normally.  The SVGA does not display the Waterfall Marker.  If I tap the
> MKR A button on the P3 to turn it off, then tap it again to turn the VFO
> marker back on, both the P3 and SVGA display the Waterfall Marker.  If I
> then tap the button I have programmed for WfallMkrs the P3 turns off as
> expected but the SVGA continues showing the marker.  Two taps of the MKR
> A button to turn off and then back on gets the displays in sync again.
>


-- 
Tighe Kuykendall
NK4I  |  www.NK4I.com  |  @NK4I
ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467, FISTS #16746, SKCC #12217

From phils at riousa.com  Sat Jan 17 19:51:12 2015
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:51:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net announcement
Message-ID: <86613791-5B33-40AC-BC63-0791F8BDAD3F@riousa.com>

The weekly SSB net is tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be net control from Oregon.

73,
Phil, NS7P

From neilmartinsenburrell at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 21:41:32 2015
From: neilmartinsenburrell at gmail.com (Neil Martinsen-Burrell)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:41:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
In-Reply-To: <54BA889C.7040807@embarqmail.com>
References: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>
	<54BA889C.7040807@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK=zawWSWhynOAq8R=WJvDOQjyBVTnQBicmhBX0op+1ueX73+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Would the same reasoning apply to the K2/100 as well? I have recently
acquired one and would like to take good care of the final transistors
(after a scary experience of trying to test power output while using the
wrong antenna connector). I know that 20W is the default with the tune
button, but one could then adjust it with the power knob.

-Neil N0FN

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Dick,
>
> It is easier on the K3 to tune at 15 or 20 watts.
> Reason -- at 10 watts, only the low power PA is active and it will be
> operating near the upper end of its range.
> Increasing the power activates the 100 watt amp and at 15 or 20 watts,
> everything is loafing along at much less than its full output.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/17/2015 10:00 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote:
>
>> I want to verify my understanding. In the interest of protecting the
>> output transistor(s) against a mishap in one's antenna system, would it be
>> better to tune at 10 watts (finals off) or at 15 watts (finals on)?
>>   Or is the driver so well protected that it doesn't matter?
>>
>>
>>
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From edouard at lafargue.name  Sat Jan 17 21:50:00 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO2 and Apple
In-Reply-To: <FAFC14F4-BE3B-410C-8D19-D7CBF2A8A8E5@me.com>
References: <FAFC14F4-BE3B-410C-8D19-D7CBF2A8A8E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsWRuQeoAbttNn7_2CKcSqDJtcRyZ+e1eYdcTvDs0VAFMQ@mail.gmail.com>

   I use fldigi for all things digital on the Mac, along with RUMLog and of
course my own rig controller (wizkers.io). This way, all software can run
simultaneously and share the rig frequency and control, works really well!

Ed, W6ELA
On Jan 17, 2015 1:12 PM, "Hans Elfelt Bonnesen" <hans.elfelt at me.com> wrote:

>
> Comtemplating KIO2 together with Apple Macintosh
> Where to look for most recent programmes.
> Sorry, never owned a PC.
>
> Hans, OZ5RB
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 22:32:20 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software OT
In-Reply-To: <9DCA04BD-B08D-46D0-9361-2B6B4A0F5D46@elecraft.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
	<54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
	<9DCA04BD-B08D-46D0-9361-2B6B4A0F5D46@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc01a38Q9=5xtasE4UQ1r29sJCGwWCv8cmqjadK-h_qf5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Software work helps one with humility...


If software developing hasn't already beaten one into mumbling and slurring
of words without any assistance from the juice.

I remember so many days going home with a splitting headache, literal pain.

73, Guy.

From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 22:40:47 2015
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Software perfection
In-Reply-To: <D0DF241A.8D0E%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D0DF241A.8D0E%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <98BD307A-50A1-4279-80FE-95E8C14AAC23@gmail.com>


>> 
>> Software written by the world's greatest programmer and tested by the
>> world's greatest software tester would still be something I would never
>> risk my life with.


Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.


Ken WA8JXM (retired programmer)

From hlstephenson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 22:55:44 2015
From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:55:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
Message-ID: <CAA-f8trSQOA3tCUEgPL5Bp3=i4ee7M3w-12anx686JozxS27Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Try increasing your ANTIVOX level to about 10 and see if that stops the
momentary TX when going from DATA to AM with VOX on.

73

Howard K6IA

From dalej2 at mac.com  Sun Jan 18 04:27:59 2015
From: dalej2 at mac.com (DaleJ)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 03:27:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
Message-ID: <A0AFAC11-CC98-42FA-A0CE-01B13A259363@mac.com>

Going beyond pushing a button, could someone explain how diversity reception is accomplished in the K3?  How are the two receivers locked together, phase coherently.

Tnx 73
Dale, K9VUJ

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 18 07:34:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 tuning power question
In-Reply-To: <CAK=zawWSWhynOAq8R=WJvDOQjyBVTnQBicmhBX0op+1ueX73+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY173-W70379B531DDF642CD0A85BF4C0@phx.gbl>	<54BA889C.7040807@embarqmail.com>
	<CAK=zawWSWhynOAq8R=WJvDOQjyBVTnQBicmhBX0op+1ueX73+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BBA83F.2090706@embarqmail.com>

Neil,

Yes, the same thing applies to the K2/100

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2015 9:41 PM, Neil Martinsen-Burrell wrote:
> Would the same reasoning apply to the K2/100 as well? I have recently
> acquired one and would like to take good care of the final transistors
> (after a scary experience of trying to test power output while using the
> wrong antenna connector). I know that 20W is the default with the tune
> button, but one could then adjust it with the power knob.
>
>


From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sun Jan 18 07:48:48 2015
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:48:48 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
In-Reply-To: <A0AFAC11-CC98-42FA-A0CE-01B13A259363@mac.com>
References: <A0AFAC11-CC98-42FA-A0CE-01B13A259363@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>


The frequencies of the two receivers in the K3 are locked together for
diversity by sending identical instructions to the two identical
synthesizers which also share the same clock oscillator.

RF phase doesn't need to be coherent for diversity reception as
implemented in the K3, because the two signals are only combined at
audio frequency (usually between the operator's ears). There may be
small difference in time delay (group delay) through the roofing filters
in the two receivers but in practice this doesn't seem to be a problem.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>DaleJ
>Sent: 18 January 2015 09:28
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
>
>Going beyond pushing a button, could someone explain how diversity
>reception is accomplished in the K3?  How are the two receivers locked
>together, phase coherently.
>
>Tnx 73
>Dale, K9VUJ
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From mbabineau at magma.ca  Sun Jan 18 09:31:21 2015
From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a K1
Message-ID: <28A8B230-C59A-44F4-92BE-E903BAF77F41@magma.ca>

Anyone who owns a K1 and has tried to work DX with it quickly realizes that this radio, unlike the K2/K3/KX3, doesn?t have multiple VFOs.
All that you have at your disposal is RIT and XIT.  The most obvious method when tuning a DX station working SPLIT is to engage the XIT to
move your Transmit frequency somewhere into the range (usually 1 to 2 Khz up) where the DX station is listening. 

Last night I was tuning around on 30m and encountered a TG9 station working SPLIT UP 2.  When I went to engage the XIT on my K1 
I realized that at some point I had overridden the front panel XIT with a PFn function for spotting. A quick trip through the menus didn?t reveal
how to enable XIT.   What I then did was to note the DX stations TX frequency, tuned up about 2KHZ to a clear spot then I enabled RIT and moved
my RX frequency back to listen to the TG9 using the RIT offset.  A couple of calls later and  he was in the log ? not a bad catch for 5 watts. 

It occurred to me after that there is one big advantage of using RIT in this scenario; you can actually hear the frequency you are transmitting on by
temporarily disabling RIT.  Anyone who DXes at QRP power levels knows how important that this is as the DX station is not going to hear your measly
5W unless you are totally in the clear.  In this case the RIT button acts like an A/B button, allowing you to switch between listening to your 
RX and TX frequencies. Using XIT doesn?t give you this capability.  The one obvious negative side-effect of using RIT over XIT in this sort of scenario 
is that the RIT offset is referenced off of your VFO frequency. This means if you move the VFO to change your TX frequency you have to
readjust the RIT as well or you will lose the DX station. Presumably if you are trying to work DX at 5W, you have picked a station that is reasonably strong
(otherwise your are likely wasting your time) so finding him again shouldn?t be a big issue.  

The moral of the story is, as the old saying goes, ?There is more than one way to skin a cat?. 

Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB 

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 18 09:37:19 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:37:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <CAA-f8trSQOA3tCUEgPL5Bp3=i4ee7M3w-12anx686JozxS27Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA-f8trSQOA3tCUEgPL5Bp3=i4ee7M3w-12anx686JozxS27Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2112640762.1706185.1421591839839.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


I just tried increasing mine to 10 and even 100 ?and itstill?transmits when doing from Data to AM with VOX on.







      From: Howard Stephenson <hlstephenson at gmail.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 10:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
   
Try increasing your ANTIVOX level to about 10 and see if that stops the
momentary TX when going from DATA to AM with VOX on.

73

Howard K6IA
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From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 18 09:41:16 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <2112640762.1706185.1421591839839.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAA-f8trSQOA3tCUEgPL5Bp3=i4ee7M3w-12anx686JozxS27Vg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2112640762.1706185.1421591839839.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL127-W122570B5ADAEC9AA7A4A81D04D0@phx.gbl>

I wonder... 
Has anyone looked at the input to the vox circuit... before, during and after changing from data to am?
Is there a signal or a static dc impulse there that triggers the vox?

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



 		 	   		  

From mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jan 18 09:55:01 2015
From: mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com (mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:55:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a K1
Message-ID: <20150118145501.1NQUT.27390.root@cdptpa-web24>

I have also used my K1 for DXing and know the offset is limiting at times. I had one occasion that pushed my K1 beyond the normal limit. I was trying to work N8S on Swain Island on 17 meters. They were working up 5 khz well beyond the RIT. I made a note of the exact frequency they were transmitting on then moved up about 5 khz and called. Fortunately there was little traffic as it was near the end of the DXpedition. After several tries I finally heard my call then flipped back to my transmitting frequency and gave the report then tried to get back to N8S's frequency. The contact was almost blind for me as I was not sure N8S heard my report. Later I checked the online log and found my call listed. Everything required a great deal of luck and timing. I was amazed at my good luck. This is one of those "Don't try this at home" ideas.

Mike, AC4UR
http://sunbyrdpress.blogspot.com

From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Jan 18 12:08:24 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:08:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Buggy software OT
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc01a38Q9=5xtasE4UQ1r29sJCGwWCv8cmqjadK-h_qf5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007c01d03231$3e7efb80$bb7cf280$@earthlink.net>
	<54BAA648.6090900@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAAFC8.2080803@socket.net>
	<54BAB363.2060106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAB4BC.1000608@socket.net>
	<54BABB07.6030403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<54BAC676.9040003@socket.net>
	<9DCA04BD-B08D-46D0-9361-2B6B4A0F5D46@elecraft.com>
	<CANckpc01a38Q9=5xtasE4UQ1r29sJCGwWCv8cmqjadK-h_qf5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9450A498-CF00-4126-9F50-6750F66B690A@elecraft.com>

Guys, time to end this Ot thread. In the future, please do not wait for me to step in. I can't watch the list continually if you also expect us to ship products to you quickly ;-)

Self moderate after an OT thread has gone past 5-10 postings.

Eric
Elecraft list moderator etc.
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Software work helps one with humility...
> 
> 
> If software developing hasn't already beaten one into mumbling and slurring
> of words without any assistance from the juice.
> 
> I remember so many days going home with a splitting headache, literal pain.
> 
> 73, Guy.
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Jan 18 12:19:54 2015
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:19:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a K1
In-Reply-To: <28A8B230-C59A-44F4-92BE-E903BAF77F41@magma.ca>
References: <28A8B230-C59A-44F4-92BE-E903BAF77F41@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <6DE861A7-A5C7-40FB-8720-1C6DD72CB61E@coastside.net>

A while back I found a writeup that Wayne did on using the K1 RIT/XIT. It mimics the A/B switching of two VFOs. 

1. With RIT & XIT off, tune in the DX station. 

2. Tap RIT and using the RIT knob, tune to a clear spot in the pileup. 

3. Hold XIT. 

Now you are listening to the DX and transmitting in your clear spot - just like a A/B VFO swap. 

Slick!

72,
Brian, K0DTJ

From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 18 12:28:52 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <2112640762.1706185.1421591839839.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAA-f8trSQOA3tCUEgPL5Bp3=i4ee7M3w-12anx686JozxS27Vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2112640762.1706185.1421591839839.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100173.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54BBED54.9040905@subich.com>


No problem here - VOX Gain = 30, AntiVOX = 0.

How high is your VOX Gain?

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-18 9:37 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> I just tried increasing mine to 10 and even 100  and itstill transmits when doing from Data to AM with VOX on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        From: Howard Stephenson <hlstephenson at gmail.com>
>   To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>   Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 10:55 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
>
> Try increasing your ANTIVOX level to about 10 and see if that stops the
> momentary TX when going from DATA to AM with VOX on.
>
> 73
>
> Howard K6IA
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From k1uo at tds.net  Sun Jan 18 13:20:06 2015
From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB used K3
Message-ID: <7B530645CEE341BF91E23DDB548243D9@DenComputer>

Looking for a K3 to pair with my K3/0 and RemoteRig.  Private email what you might have.
k1uo at  arrl dot net

From gmiller at sonic.net  Sun Jan 18 13:48:40 2015
From: gmiller at sonic.net (Greg Miller)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 11:48:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
In-Reply-To: <003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>
References: <A0AFAC11-CC98-42FA-A0CE-01B13A259363@mac.com>
	<003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <B75796B4-A9BB-4BF4-B226-7301C8B33DF3@sonic.net>

I use diversity receive quite a bit. It was actually the main thing that got me looking at a K3 in the first place?great feature.

-Greg NY6C

> On Jan 18, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> The frequencies of the two receivers in the K3 are locked together for
> diversity by sending identical instructions to the two identical
> synthesizers which also share the same clock oscillator.
> 
> RF phase doesn't need to be coherent for diversity reception as
> implemented in the K3, because the two signals are only combined at
> audio frequency (usually between the operator's ears). There may be
> small difference in time delay (group delay) through the roofing filters
> in the two receivers but in practice this doesn't seem to be a problem.
> 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> DaleJ
>> Sent: 18 January 2015 09:28
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
>> 
>> Going beyond pushing a button, could someone explain how diversity
>> reception is accomplished in the K3?  How are the two receivers locked
>> together, phase coherently.
>> 
>> Tnx 73
>> Dale, K9VUJ
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 18 14:12:39 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 10:12:39 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
Message-ID: <201501181912.t0IJCdlm020779@ingra.acsalaska.net>

Ian,

My impression is that the two received signals are in phase-lock at 
the first IF before the roofing filters.  I export both IF outputs to 
a pair of LP-Pan that are run by one xtal oscillator so their 
baseband IQ outputs are locked in phase for use in my adaptive 
dual-pol receiving system (using MAP65 sw).

With two phase-locked IQ streams polarity angle information can be 
determined by special sw routines that compare the relative amplitude 
of two orthogonally polarized signals.  I use this for 2m-eme but it 
could be used with any two orthogonally polarized antennas (eg on HF: 
to horz dipoles at right angles to each other).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com/MAP65.htm

----------
From: "Ian White" <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk>
To: "'DaleJ'" <dalej2 at mac.com>, <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
Message-ID: <003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"


The frequencies of the two receivers in the K3 are locked together for
diversity by sending identical instructions to the two identical
synthesizers which also share the same clock oscillator.

RF phase doesn't need to be coherent for diversity reception as
implemented in the K3, because the two signals are only combined at
audio frequency (usually between the operator's ears). There may be
small difference in time delay (group delay) through the roofing filters
in the two receivers but in practice this doesn't seem to be a problem.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan 18 14:14:04 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 11:14:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <54BC05FC.1020508@coho.net>

Good Day,
    I was unable to send email last night due to the heavy storm. When 
the clouds get thick around the top of this mountain my Internet 
connection gets very weak.  Even though the tower is less than 1/2 a 
mile away nothing gets through to me.  Luckily the torrential rains and 
50 mph winds have died down.  Now it is just raining, not pouring down 
so fast it is hard to see across the yard.  However, Oregon does have 
sunny days unlike what you may imagine.  In fact it was sunny only a few 
days ago.

    Propagation has been very good lately.  I expect that to continue 
for today.

    Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 15:07:46 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 22:07:46 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
In-Reply-To: <B75796B4-A9BB-4BF4-B226-7301C8B33DF3@sonic.net>
References: <A0AFAC11-CC98-42FA-A0CE-01B13A259363@mac.com>	<003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>
	<B75796B4-A9BB-4BF4-B226-7301C8B33DF3@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <54BC1292.3010308@gmail.com>

Me too. Some people think it is primarily useful on low bands, but I use 
it on all the bands 40 thru 10 meters (which are the only ones I 
currently have antennas for).

I am using an R8 vertical for transmitting and one RX channel, and a 
Pixel Loop for the other channel. They are only about 25 feet (7.6 m) 
apart and are both vertically polarized, but there is definitely a 
diversity effect. I find that QSB is greatly reduced and CW copy is much 
better with diversity active. The only times I don't use it are when 
there is too much noise on the vertical or when I need the subreceiver 
for a pileup.

On 18 Jan 2015 20:48, Greg Miller wrote:
> I use diversity receive quite a bit. It was actually the main thing that got me looking at a K3 in the first place?great feature.
>
> -Greg NY6C
>
>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The frequencies of the two receivers in the K3 are locked together for
>> diversity by sending identical instructions to the two identical
>> synthesizers which also share the same clock oscillator.
>>
>> RF phase doesn't need to be coherent for diversity reception as
>> implemented in the K3, because the two signals are only combined at
>> audio frequency (usually between the operator's ears). There may be
>> small difference in time delay (group delay) through the roofing filters
>> in the two receivers but in practice this doesn't seem to be a problem.
>>
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK


-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sun Jan 18 15:42:30 2015
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:42:30 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
In-Reply-To: <201501181912.t0IJCdlm020779@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501181912.t0IJCdlm020779@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <000f01d0335f$4cfe7a80$e6fb6f80$@co.uk>

Thanks for that information, Ed.

While the LO frequency remains constant, the two LOs will be locked in
phase so the RF signal streams will be locked in phase as well. The
relative phase may be arbitrary, depending on exactly how the two
separate sets of synthesizer tuning instructions were loaded and then
executed, but MAP65 will probably factor out any fixed phase
differences.


73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Edward R Cole
>Sent: 18 January 2015 19:13
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
>
>Ian,
>
>My impression is that the two received signals are in phase-lock at
>the first IF before the roofing filters.  I export both IF outputs to
>a pair of LP-Pan that are run by one xtal oscillator so their
>baseband IQ outputs are locked in phase for use in my adaptive
>dual-pol receiving system (using MAP65 sw).
>
>With two phase-locked IQ streams polarity angle information can be
>determined by special sw routines that compare the relative amplitude
>of two orthogonally polarized signals.  I use this for 2m-eme but it
>could be used with any two orthogonally polarized antennas (eg on HF:
>to horz dipoles at right angles to each other).
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>http://www.kl7uw.com/MAP65.htm
>
>----------
>From: "Ian White" <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk>
>To: "'DaleJ'" <dalej2 at mac.com>, <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity reception in the K3
>Message-ID: <003001d0331d$2016aed0$60440c70$@co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>The frequencies of the two receivers in the K3 are locked together for
>diversity by sending identical instructions to the two identical
>synthesizers which also share the same clock oscillator.
>
>RF phase doesn't need to be coherent for diversity reception as
>implemented in the K3, because the two signals are only combined at
>audio frequency (usually between the operator's ears). There may be
>small difference in time delay (group delay) through the roofing
filters
>in the two receivers but in practice this doesn't seem to be a problem.
>
>
>73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
>Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 18 18:00:53 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:00:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
In-Reply-To: <54BBED54.9040905@subich.com>
References: <54BBED54.9040905@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1695219896.1779202.1421622053379.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100193.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

My VOX Gain was 15 and Anti VOX was 10
I tested at your settings VOX Gain= ?30 and Anto VOX = 0?and the issue is still present
I'm running the latest Non-Beta FW (uC 04.86, d1 02.83, FL 01.15, dr 01.03)




      From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
   

No problem here - VOX Gain = 30, AntiVOX = 0.

How high is your VOX Gain?

73,

? ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-18 9:37 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
> I just tried increasing mine to 10 and even 100? and itstill transmits when doing from Data to AM with VOX on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>? ? ? ? From: Howard Stephenson <hlstephenson at gmail.com>
>? To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>? Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 10:55 PM
>? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 bugs
>
> Try increasing your ANTIVOX level to about 10 and see if that stops the
> momentary TX when going from DATA to AM with VOX on.
>
> 73
>
> Howard K6IA
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From crcooklb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 19:06:09 2015
From: crcooklb at gmail.com (Randy Cook)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:06:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - K3 Help needed Cocomodem+MacBookAir+PSK31
Message-ID: <84503018-806A-43D8-A404-5C476255411F@gmail.com>

If you are using this config, I could use some help with setup, offline email please. 
Current config is K3/100 to iMic to MacBookAir 13 to CocoModem. 

I/O from K3 to iMic (set on ?mic? position) external sound card, to USB port on MBA. I/O audio on Mac set to external USB device.
Can get waterfall image on Cocomodem, but very faint signals, none readable. Can hear signals on K3. Seems to be a input level problem. 
Followed K3 Manual for PSK31 setup. Line out level does not seem to matter.
Cocomodem settings worked a couple of years ago with Desktop iMac and my K3.
Running out of ideas, but it is probably something simple I overlooked

Thanks in advance for any advice.

73

Randy - K6CRC
k6crcus at gmail.com





From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Sun Jan 18 19:24:08 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 17:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List of K1 modifications
Message-ID: <SNT148-W42FA9760ACE801BDC77AF4F04A0@phx.gbl>

Does anyone have a list of all K1 mods (those approved by Elecraft and those that others have installed....OR the URL of a site that does and can vector me to? 
 
Thank you, in advance, for your assistance. 72, Jim Rodenkirch
 
 		 	   		  

From k0az at centurytel.net  Sun Jan 18 20:21:46 2015
From: k0az at centurytel.net (Mike Sanders)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:21:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS/SOLD
Message-ID: <002001d03386$4b403e00$e1c0ba00$@centurytel.net>

Greetings, The XV144 has been sold. The XV50 is still available. It is in
good
operating and physical condition. The manual for it is available on line at
Elecraft.
It will include the power cable fused and with Anderson power pole
connectors.
Also, will be the RF cables for a K2 with KV60 option if you need it. The
I/O cable
will be included if you need it as well for a K2 and computer. If you do not
need
either I would like to keep them otherwise they go with the XV50.
$275 and I will ship it priority mail and will accept Paypal. Thanks, Mike
K?AZ
k0az at centurytel.net


                 

?                                                         GOD BLESS AMERICA
                                    K?AZ    Mike Sanders   EM37cd
www.k0az.com
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From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 23:30:39 2015
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 22:30:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Low Receive Signals
Message-ID: <CAD+2GyvZmeChWnrU9VX3EU79OcjbWqc3AD7zH0OXm1tLL3fVGg@mail.gmail.com>

OK what do I need to change on my KX3 Menu?

As I increase power from 4 watts to 100 watts I hear a series of clicks one
at 5 watts and one at 10 watts from the amp. Each time there is a click the
receive signal drops like an attenuator.  The attenuator on the back of the
amp is in the OUT position.  What do I have messed up now?  What do I need
to change?

-- 
Jim K9TF

From rick at tavan.com  Mon Jan 19 00:03:03 2015
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 21:03:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 Equivalent to KAT500 Edit Configuration?
Message-ID: <54BC9007.9040202@tavan.com>

Does the KAT3 have an equivalent to the Edit Configuration window in KAT500 Utility? I'm thinking specifically of functions like the VSWR Threshold for bypass and autotune. I don't see it in K3 Utility and I don't think there is a KAT3 Utility. I probably knew the answer to this years ago and have forgotten.

THanks,

/Rick

From duklaet at broadpark.no  Mon Jan 19 02:49:05 2015
From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:49:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] List of K1 modifications
In-Reply-To: <SNT148-W42FA9760ACE801BDC77AF4F04A0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT148-W42FA9760ACE801BDC77AF4F04A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7640af3e50c6.54bcc501@broadpark.no>

Hi Jim.
Have a look at this page http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/k1.htm. At the bottom you will find two links to sites decribing som mods made by others than Elecraft. Mods made by Elecraft (if there are any), you will probably find on the official Elecraft site.

73 de Hal
la4xx

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/k1.htm

On 15-01-19 01:24, James Rodenkirch  <rodenkirch_llc at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a list of all K1 mods (those approved by Elecraft and those that others have installed....OR the URL of a site that does and can vector me to? 
> ?
> Thank you, in advance, for your assistance. 72, Jim Rodenkirch
> ?
>  
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Mon Jan 19 08:27:13 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 06:27:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Low Receive Signals
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2GyvZmeChWnrU9VX3EU79OcjbWqc3AD7zH0OXm1tLL3fVGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2GyvZmeChWnrU9VX3EU79OcjbWqc3AD7zH0OXm1tLL3fVGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1421674033580-7597263.post@n2.nabble.com>

You do not say if you have a tuner in the amp.  If so are still seeing the
reduction in signal after hitting tune,  Also check to make sure you have
the correct antenna selected.  



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From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Mon Jan 19 09:05:31 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
Message-ID: <SNT148-W76F16E19F10C65DBCDF18DF04A0@phx.gbl>

Should be here today../.it will have the four band 40/30/20/15 module and the ATU along with a two band module.
 
Going to have the two band module changed to 80/17 and, when not traveling, will swap out the ATU for the two band module and have an 80/40/30/20/17/15 rig (already have an auto tuner at the base of my 30' vertical). I had a K1 outfitted with a four and two band module - 160/80/40/30/20/15 but sold it 'cuz I was lookin' ror something betzer or different - we've all "been there, done that" I would guess.hihi 
 
This will become my main rig 'till such time as I find a K2/10 to purchase....off in the future some.
 
Thanks to all who responded to my original query.
 
72, Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV
 
 		 	   		  

From beford at myfairpoint.net  Mon Jan 19 10:08:46 2015
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
Message-ID: <C3F03825ABED4200AF694FEBB34ADA48@HPE250f>

> Going to have the two band module changed to 80/17 and, when not 
> traveling, will swap out the ATU for the two band module and have an 
> 80/40/30/20/17/15 rig (already have an auto tuner at the base of my 30' 
> vertical).

Jim,
since you had a K1 in the past, you probably remember this, but others may
not be aware... You cannot "swap out the ATU for the 2 band board". The ATU
does need to be removed to replace the 4 band board with the 2 band board as
the band board sits below the ATU in a "stacked" configuration". But- both
band boards cannot be in at the same time.

As I say, I am pretty sure you know this, but wanted to mention it for the
benefit of others who may not know.

72,
Bruce N1RX



From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Mon Jan 19 10:35:19 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:35:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
In-Reply-To: <C3F03825ABED4200AF694FEBB34ADA48@HPE250f>
References: <C3F03825ABED4200AF694FEBB34ADA48@HPE250f>
Message-ID: <SNT148-W671AB7508F0DCC90C97F22F04A0@phx.gbl>

 Bruce: don't consider this the beginning of an argument but.....I recall having both modules installed, at the same time, in my previous K1......was I dreaming that??
 
> From: beford at myfairpoint.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> CC: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:08:46 -0500
> 
> > Going to have the two band module changed to 80/17 and, when not 
> > traveling, will swap out the ATU for the two band module and have an 
> > 80/40/30/20/17/15 rig (already have an auto tuner at the base of my 30' 
> > vertical).
> 
> Jim,
> since you had a K1 in the past, you probably remember this, but others may
> not be aware... You cannot "swap out the ATU for the 2 band board". The ATU
> does need to be removed to replace the 4 band board with the 2 band board as
> the band board sits below the ATU in a "stacked" configuration". But- both
> band boards cannot be in at the same time.
> 
> As I say, I am pretty sure you know this, but wanted to mention it for the
> benefit of others who may not know.
> 
> 72,
> Bruce N1RX
> 
> 
 		 	   		  

From beford at myfairpoint.net  Mon Jan 19 10:45:30 2015
From: beford at myfairpoint.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:45:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
In-Reply-To: <SNT148-W671AB7508F0DCC90C97F22F04A0@phx.gbl>
References: <C3F03825ABED4200AF694FEBB34ADA48@HPE250f>
	<SNT148-W671AB7508F0DCC90C97F22F04A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C2AB21B7CD4D4E43AC3D512A47564224@HPE250f>

I think so... (a dream). I have a K1 now, and have had a few of them in the
past. There can only be 1 band board in at a time, although the K1 will
remember the VFO calibration for all the bands, across the boards you have.
The only time this is an issue is if you have two different modules with the
same band, like 40/30/20/15 on a 4 band board, and 40/17 on a 2 band board.

GL,
Bruce N1RX

________________________________________
From: James Rodenkirch [mailto:rodenkirch_llc at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:35 AM
To: Bruce Beford; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Found a K1!

?Bruce: don't consider this the beginning of an argument but.....I recall
having?both modules installed, at the same time, in my previous K1......was
I dreaming that??

?
> From: beford at myfairpoint.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> CC: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:08:46 -0500
> 
> > Going to have the two band module changed to 80/17 and, when not 
> > traveling, will swap out the ATU for the two band module and have an 
> > 80/40/30/20/17/15 rig (already have an auto tuner at the base of my 30' 
> > vertical).
> 
> Jim,
> since you had a K1 in the past, you probably remember this, but others may
> not be aware... You cannot "swap out the ATU for the 2 band board". The
ATU
> does need to be removed to replace the 4 band board with the 2 band board
as
> the band board sits below the ATU in a "stacked" configuration". But- both
> band boards cannot be in at the same time.
> 
> As I say, I am pretty sure you know this, but wanted to mention it for the
> benefit of others who may not know.
> 
> 72,
> Bruce N1RX
> 
> 



From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Mon Jan 19 10:53:56 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
In-Reply-To: <C2AB21B7CD4D4E43AC3D512A47564224@HPE250f>
References: <C3F03825ABED4200AF694FEBB34ADA48@HPE250f>
	<SNT148-W671AB7508F0DCC90C97F22F04A0@phx.gbl>,
	<C2AB21B7CD4D4E43AC3D512A47564224@HPE250f>
Message-ID: <SNT148-W3197BC31C5142D86D993D9F04A0@phx.gbl>

Guess I was 'dreaming'  hihi  It has been a while since I owned the one K1 so.....ok...tnx 
 
> From: beford at myfairpoint.net
> To: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com
> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:45:30 -0500
> 
> I think so... (a dream). I have a K1 now, and have had a few of them in the
> past. There can only be 1 band board in at a time, although the K1 will
> remember the VFO calibration for all the bands, across the boards you have.
> The only time this is an issue is if you have two different modules with the
> same band, like 40/30/20/15 on a 4 band board, and 40/17 on a 2 band board.
> 
> GL,
> Bruce N1RX
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: James Rodenkirch [mailto:rodenkirch_llc at msn.com] 
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:35 AM
> To: Bruce Beford; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
> 
>  Bruce: don't consider this the beginning of an argument but.....I recall
> having both modules installed, at the same time, in my previous K1......was
> I dreaming that??
> 
>  
> > From: beford at myfairpoint.net
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > CC: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Found a K1!
> > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:08:46 -0500
> > 
> > > Going to have the two band module changed to 80/17 and, when not 
> > > traveling, will swap out the ATU for the two band module and have an 
> > > 80/40/30/20/17/15 rig (already have an auto tuner at the base of my 30' 
> > > vertical).
> > 
> > Jim,
> > since you had a K1 in the past, you probably remember this, but others may
> > not be aware... You cannot "swap out the ATU for the 2 band board". The
> ATU
> > does need to be removed to replace the 4 band board with the 2 band board
> as
> > the band board sits below the ATU in a "stacked" configuration". But- both
> > band boards cannot be in at the same time.
> > 
> > As I say, I am pretty sure you know this, but wanted to mention it for the
> > benefit of others who may not know.
> > 
> > 72,
> > Bruce N1RX
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
 		 	   		  

From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 19 11:27:07 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:27:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA WaterFall Marker Issue
In-Reply-To: <54BAEBB3.6040600@nk4i.com>
References: <54BAEBB3.6040600@nk4i.com>
Message-ID: <1421684827395-7597269.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Tighe, 

Thank you for detailed steps for reproducing the problem.  I was able to
find the bug quickly and fix it for the next beta/release. 

73, 

Paul




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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 19 11:41:28 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 11:41:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beta firmware for KX3
Message-ID: <75EDA031-9A55-4DD6-B971-E788AD005DF0@bellsouth.net>

Noticed that the beta firmware for the KX3 has been around since 3 December.

I wonder when this version is going to be released as a production version??

I asked this question of Wayne, N6KR in an earlier email to him but I guess he missed it....maybe he's busy getting this version out the door (grin).

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From kh at kh-translation.dk  Mon Jan 19 12:10:57 2015
From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:10:57 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
Message-ID: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>

Dear all,

I have a K3/100 and an Acom 2000A and I am wondering how to get the cleanest
signal. The K3 is supplied with 13.8V. 
I see several options. Adjusting the K3 to 9W thinking that the KPA100 does
not kick in could be one method. Another one could be adjusting the K3 to
14W thinking that the KPA100 will be running very easily (and clean). A
third one could be adjusting the K3 to 40W thinking that the KPA100 will be
running in the middle of its power range (and therefore being very clean).
I do not have the technical knowledge to decide which option is relevant. 
Of course I know that the output from the Acom 2000A will vary very much
according to the selected output from the K3. 
Vy 73 de OZ1CCM "Kel"


From capobs1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 16:23:28 2015
From: capobs1 at gmail.com (Jim Harris)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:23:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Need size of Allen wrench for small knobs on K1
In-Reply-To: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>
References: <2315A46307C44B8F8F7D5C0E84FF7C13@EllenPC>
Message-ID: <CACxYfL90qzs9DSzwQS6cSOaTcmrTHhgFf1Tj1XCdzEK-AOjHKg@mail.gmail.com>

1mm Allen Wrench!
I have one here in my hand as we speak!
I'll send it to you Post Paid & you don't need to return it! Best 73, Jim-
WA4NTM


On Friday, January 16, 2015, George Averill <averill at mchsi.com> wrote:

> Can someone please tell me the size of the Allen wrench that is used to
> attach the small knobs on a K1?
>
> Thanks,
> George
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 12:18:19 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:18:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
Message-ID: <nneqba59ko7idmrrq865rnuvu1eikfmmf1@4ax.com>

Hi Kjeld,

One thing I do here is run the input voltage at 14.5V.  The K3 can
accept up to 15V, and the 0.5V gives the power supply some margin for
overshoot.  

This station is on solar power, so its "natural" voltage is 13.6V.  I
use an N8XJK battery booster to get the 14.5V to the K3.  The battery
is an Optima D-series, rated 75 AH.

The more voltage range the K3 works with, the better the IMD.

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:10:57 +0100, you wrote:

>Dear all,
>
>I have a K3/100 and an Acom 2000A and I am wondering how to get the cleanest
>signal. The K3 is supplied with 13.8V. 
>I see several options. Adjusting the K3 to 9W thinking that the KPA100 does
>not kick in could be one method. Another one could be adjusting the K3 to
>14W thinking that the KPA100 will be running very easily (and clean). A
>third one could be adjusting the K3 to 40W thinking that the KPA100 will be
>running in the middle of its power range (and therefore being very clean).
>I do not have the technical knowledge to decide which option is relevant. 
>Of course I know that the output from the Acom 2000A will vary very much
>according to the selected output from the K3. 
>Vy 73 de OZ1CCM "Kel"
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 19 12:21:42 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:21:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
Message-ID: <7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>

Hi Kel,

The K3/100's phase noise and ALC artifacts are so low at all power levels that you shouldn't need to finesse this. I would select power level based on what you want to get out of the amp.

See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various transceivers:

    http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf

73,
Wayne
N6KR 


On Jan 19, 2015, at 9:10 AM, "Kjeld Holm" <kh at kh-translation.dk> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I have a K3/100 and an Acom 2000A and I am wondering how to get the cleanest
> signal. The K3 is supplied with 13.8V. 
> I see several options. Adjusting the K3 to 9W thinking that the KPA100 does
> not kick in could be one method. Another one could be adjusting the K3 to
> 14W thinking that the KPA100 will be running very easily (and clean). A
> third one could be adjusting the K3 to 40W thinking that the KPA100 will be
> running in the middle of its power range (and therefore being very clean).
> I do not have the technical knowledge to decide which option is relevant. 
> Of course I know that the output from the Acom 2000A will vary very much
> according to the selected output from the K3. 
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM "Kel"




From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 19 13:15:41 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:15:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>

Wayne all I can say is wow! I knew the K3 was good but I had no idea it was
that much better. Let's hope the other manufactures adopt the most sincere
form of flattery... they copy the K3. After all that benefits all listeners.


My question relates to Matt's use of a battery booster. In theory this
allows the K3 to use maximum feedback and therefore have an even cleaner
signal. However my experience with battery boosters, not necessarily the one
Matt uses, is they are dirty in terms of electrical noise. The lower the
input voltage the dirtier they get. What is the K3s sensitivity to power
input noise. In short is the battery booster concept a net gain in terms of
spectral purity?

73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 9:22 AM
To: Kjeld Holm
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible

Hi Kel,

The K3/100's phase noise and ALC artifacts are so low at all power levels
that you shouldn't need to finesse this. I would select power level based on
what you want to get out of the amp.

See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various
transceivers:

    http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf

73,
Wayne
N6KR 



From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 19 13:25:49 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:25:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5oiqbapd75k2vsjl7eueva3nni4b3gbfua@4ax.com>

Fred,

The N8XJK booster does put out a bit of RFI on HF.  It's not enough to
cause problems here, but might be at an ultra low-noise QTH.  I've
noticed this on receive, but haven't looked at TX spectral purity.
Wayne may have a definitive answer on this.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:15:41 -0800, you wrote:

>Wayne all I can say is wow! I knew the K3 was good but I had no idea it was
>that much better. Let's hope the other manufactures adopt the most sincere
>form of flattery... they copy the K3. After all that benefits all listeners.
>
>
>My question relates to Matt's use of a battery booster. In theory this
>allows the K3 to use maximum feedback and therefore have an even cleaner
>signal. However my experience with battery boosters, not necessarily the one
>Matt uses, is they are dirty in terms of electrical noise. The lower the
>input voltage the dirtier they get. What is the K3s sensitivity to power
>input noise. In short is the battery booster concept a net gain in terms of
>spectral purity?
>
>73
>Fred, AE6QL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
>Burdick
>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 9:22 AM
>To: Kjeld Holm
>Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
>
>Hi Kel,
>
>The K3/100's phase noise and ALC artifacts are so low at all power levels
>that you shouldn't need to finesse this. I would select power level based on
>what you want to get out of the amp.
>
>See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various
>transceivers:
>
>    http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR 
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jan 19 13:37:46 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:37:46 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54BD4EFA.4050402@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/19/2015 9:21 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various transceivers:
>
>      http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf

That document compares ARRL Lab measurements, all at full power.

I've also been doing some measurements of my own using a P3SVGA with my 
second K3. They include measurements of a K3 driving both by KPA500 and 
Ten Tec Titan legal limit tube amp. Test setup and methods are included 
in the pdf.

k9yc.com/P3_SpectrumMeasurements.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From mbabineau at magma.ca  Mon Jan 19 13:37:55 2015
From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Working Split with a K1
Message-ID: <5DE44F6A-B4C5-4830-83E8-0DA9E18E505F@magma.ca>

Brian :

That is a very good point .. on the K1 both RIT and XIT both use the same offset control.
So once the offset is set .. then toggling between XIT and RIT will allow you to 
listen to your TX frequency.  Brilliant. 

Thanks for sharing .. this is very useful ? I will try this next time, now that I have finally managed to
figure out how to re-enable XIT ;-) 

Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB 

>From: Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Working Split with a K1
>Date: January 18, 2015 at 12:19:54 PM EST
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>


>A while back I found a writeup that Wayne did on using the K1 RIT/XIT. It mimics the A/B switching of two VFOs. 

>1. With RIT & XIT off, tune in the DX station. 

>2. Tap RIT and using the RIT knob, tune to a clear spot in the pileup. 

>3. Hold XIT. 

>Now you are listening to the DX and transmitting in your clear spot - just like a A/B VFO swap. 

>Slick!

>72,
>Brian, K0DTJ

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jan 19 13:57:42 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:57:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B3568CE3-078B-4BDD-B140-76A38F4613E0@elecraft.com>

Correction: Jim Brown's call is K9YC. 

Wayne


On Jan 19, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Kel,
> 
> The K3/100's phase noise and ALC artifacts are so low at all power levels that you shouldn't need to finesse this. I would select power level based on what you want to get out of the amp.
> 
> See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various transceivers:
> 
>    http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR 



From clive at thelortons.co.uk  Mon Jan 19 15:10:09 2015
From: clive at thelortons.co.uk (Clive Lorton)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:10:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk>

On 19/01/2015 18:15, Fred Townsend wrote:
> Wayne all I can say is wow! I knew the K3 was good but I had no idea it was
> that much better. Let's hope the other manufactures adopt the most sincere
> form of flattery... they copy the K3. After all that benefits all listeners
As a relative newcomer to the K3, about 9 months, all I can say is that 
compared to my old Icom 756 I  was not expecting to notice such a 
noticeable improvement of weak signals replying to my call. I always had 
complementary comments on the Icom's audio but the K3 just has that 
extra je ne sais quoi that enables the DX to hear me.

Nothing else has changed except the K3

Thanks Guys

Clive G8POC

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jan 19 15:27:21 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:27:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <5oiqbapd75k2vsjl7eueva3nni4b3gbfua@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-8A6EB8B6AA704D829446C45F6EC0F3E0@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

<http://www.w0qe.com/N8XJK_battery_booster.html> discusses 
reducing the noise from the N8XJK battery booster. The author is 
interested in a mobil application and is concerned about direct 
noise pickup by the nearby antenna.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/19/15 at 10:25 AM, mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) wrote:

>The N8XJK booster does put out a bit of RFI on HF.  It's not enough to
>cause problems here, but might be at an ultra low-noise QTH.  I've
>noticed this on receive, but haven't looked at TX spectral purity.
>Wayne may have a definitive answer on this.

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From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 15:34:55 2015
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS- Tascam USB US-122MKII sound device
Message-ID: <C9840136DAFE4F5AA2067B8DC25437A5@ejhPC>

External sound card for use with Elecraft rigs

For sale - New, Tascam USB US-122MKII external sound card interface.

Opened and checked but as new.

Comes with box, manual, cable, CDs, as it is new.

$65.00 shipped consus   

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Or at wm3m at live dot com



Emory  WM3M

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jan 19 17:30:27 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:30:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
	<54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54BD8583.1010801@foothill.net>

So ... French has become the new English? ;-)  For those who do not 
speak French and haven't looked it up, je ne sais quoi is an unstated or 
unknown something that makes something better.

For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get 
unsolicited "great audio" comments in essentially every SSB contest I 
enter.  NAQP last Sat was the last.  Never happened before the K3

Meanwhile, we continue to inch our way to metric ...

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/19/2015 12:10 PM, Clive Lorton wrote:
> On 19/01/2015 18:15, Fred Townsend wrote:

> I always had
> complementary comments on the Icom's audio but the K3 just has that
> extra je ne sais quoi that enables the DX to hear me.


From n0nb at n0nb.us  Mon Jan 19 19:24:57 2015
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:24:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <54BD8583.1010801@foothill.net>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
	<54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk> <54BD8583.1010801@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <20150120002457.GG2216@n0nb.us>

* On 2015 19 Jan 16:32 -0600, Fred Jensen wrote:
> For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
> unsolicited "great audio" comments in essentially every SSB contest I enter.
> NAQP last Sat was the last.  Never happened before the K3

I have found the same with my K3/CM500 combination.  I never received
compliments on my transmitted audio until I owned the K3.  Yet, on
various forums the meme still exists that the K3 is a "poor SSB radio".
I've seen this comment a bit less, especially since firmware 4.51
improved the AGC noticeably.  Other than distortion when engaging the
auto-notch, I am pleased enough that I am not contemplating replacing
the K3.

73, Nate N0NB

P.S. I claim that I have a face for radio and a voice for CW/digi modes!

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 19 21:51:16 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:51:16 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
In-Reply-To: <057a01d03209$13e76290$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
References: <057a01d03209$13e76290$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
Message-ID: <54BDC2A4.4090502@sbcglobal.net>

I was about to order the 222 MHz transverter kit, but looked at how 
little activity there is on that band in this area, except during contests.
Even then, about 70% seems to be on FM, so I couldn't justify the 
expenditure.

I see it as a paradox.  This is the LA/OC area of southern California; 
the second-largest population center in the US.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 1/16/2015 7:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek wrote:
>
>
> Hello Group-
>
> Since Elecraft makes an 222 MHz Xverter I wonder how many ops
> have built one? I noticed that its more of a kit, soldering parts to
> the circuit board. I also wonder how much activity there is around
> the country on 222 regarding weak signal work and cw/ssb ops?
> I have rigs for 144 and 432 since I am an ex Amsat opr.....
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> 73
> Mike K8XF


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 19 22:03:54 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:03:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
In-Reply-To: <54BDC2A4.4090502@sbcglobal.net>
References: <057a01d03209$13e76290$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<54BDC2A4.4090502@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <54BDC59A.3000509@socal.rr.com>

220 was much more active back in the 90s, Jim (I'm 
in Torrance). I used it and the Condor system to 
chat with a pal out in Parker AZ back in those 
days.  Now my only 220 capability is an HT!

All the bands up there seem pretty empty. Cellphones?

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/19/15 6:51 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I was about to order the 222 MHz transverter 
> kit, but looked at how little activity there is 
> on that band in this area, except during contests.
> Even then, about 70% seems to be on FM, so I 
> couldn't justify the expenditure.
>
> I see it as a paradox.  This is the LA/OC area 
> of southern California; the second-largest 
> population center in the US.
>
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
>
> On 1/16/2015 7:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Group-
>>
>> Since Elecraft makes an 222 MHz Xverter I 
>> wonder how many ops
>> have built one? I noticed that its more of a 
>> kit, soldering parts to
>> the circuit board. I also wonder how much 
>> activity there is around
>> the country on 222 regarding weak signal work 
>> and cw/ssb ops?
>> I have rigs for 144 and 432 since I am an ex 
>> Amsat opr.....
>>
>> Thanks in Advance
>>
>> 73
>> Mike K8XF


From acdmeagher at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 23:51:12 2015
From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:51:12 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
Message-ID: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?
Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 20 02:05:23 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:05:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BDFE33.8020006@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,1/19/2015 8:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:
> Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
> take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
> the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
> a 9V battery?

Why do you want to do this? VOX works very well with digital modes.

73, Jim K9YC

From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 04:41:22 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:41:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <20150120002457.GG2216@n0nb.us>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>
	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>
	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>
	<54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk> <54BD8583.1010801@foothill.net>
	<20150120002457.GG2216@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>

If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
admittedly  isolated comments about K3s with "thin audio".  This has
recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.

I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I am
almost always complimented on the audio.  I am using the MH2 microphone.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 20 January 2015 at 00:24, Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:

> * On 2015 19 Jan 16:32 -0600, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
> > unsolicited "great audio" comments in essentially every SSB contest I
> enter.
> > NAQP last Sat was the last.  Never happened before the K3
>
> I have found the same with my K3/CM500 combination.  I never received
> compliments on my transmitted audio until I owned the K3.  Yet, on
> various forums the meme still exists that the K3 is a "poor SSB radio".
> I've seen this comment a bit less, especially since firmware 4.51
> improved the AGC noticeably.  Other than distortion when engaging the
> auto-notch, I am pleased enough that I am not contemplating replacing
> the K3.
>
> 73, Nate N0NB
>
> P.S. I claim that I have a face for radio and a voice for CW/digi modes!
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."
>
> Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 20 05:58:02 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <239477147.3827060.1421751482944.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone <
> make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser <

>> I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I amalmost always complimented on the audio. <<
>> > > For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
> > unsolicited "great audio" comments in essentially every SSB contest I
> enter.? << < <

It seems that there is a case of Apples and Oranges here.
The OP was more about Phase Noise that is emitted by the Radio. 

Here is Wayne's response to the OP. 
BTW, Jim's call should be K9YC as Wayne corrected later. 

( See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various transceivers:?? http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf )
((((73)))) Milverton. / W9MMS 
?
?
 

     From: Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com>
 To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
   
If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
admittedly? isolated comments about K3s with "thin audio".? This has
recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.

I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year, yet when I do I am
almost always complimented on the audio.? I am using the MH2 microphone.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 20 January 2015 at 00:24, Nate Bargmann <n0nb at n0nb.us> wrote:

> * On 2015 19 Jan 16:32 -0600, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > For the record, using the Heil headset from Elecraft, I continue to get
> > unsolicited "great audio" comments in essentially every SSB contest I
> enter.
> > NAQP last Sat was the last.? Never happened before the K3
>
> I have found the same with my K3/CM500 combination.? I never received
> compliments on my transmitted audio until I owned the K3.? Yet, on
> various forums the meme still exists that the K3 is a "poor SSB radio".
> I've seen this comment a bit less, especially since firmware 4.51
> improved the AGC noticeably.? Other than distortion when engaging the
> auto-notch, I am pleased enough that I am not contemplating replacing
> the K3.
>
> 73, Nate N0NB
>
> P.S. I claim that I have a face for radio and a voice for CW/digi modes!
>
> --
>
> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
> possible worlds.? The pessimist fears this is true."
>
> Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
> ______________________________________________________________
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From hillslaird at internode.on.net  Tue Jan 20 06:58:11 2015
From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:28:11 +1030
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc
Message-ID: <54BE42D3.8000001@internode.on.net>

I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
Added SSB board and that's ok too.
Then built KAT100-1  an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
But now, connect to Computer and bother.... I didn't think to check!
No serial connection on the computers!!!!

What's the recommendation?
An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.....

I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO 
E series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks
Kev   VK5KS
K2 #7552


From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Tue Jan 20 07:03:58 2015
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:03:58 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <239477147.3827060.1421751482944.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<239477147.3827060.1421751482944.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106103.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006901d034a9$317960e0$946c22a0$@co.uk>

>The OP was more about Phase Noise that is emitted by the Radio.
>
>Here is Wayne's response to the OP.
>BTW, Jim's call should be K9YC as Wayne corrected later.
>
>( See W9YC's study of transmit phase noise and keying bandwidth of various
>transceivers:   http://audiosystemsgroup.com/TXNoise.pdf )
>((((73)))) Milverton. / W9MMS
>

The discussion galloped off in the directions of phase noise and audio quality, but the OP didn't actually specify what he meant by "clean".

Had he mentioned IMD, the discussion might have gone differently. In static 2-tone tests, the K3's IMD performance is adequate for a "12V" transportable transceiver, but the high-order IMD is not very good at all (mostly due to the MOSFET driver). 

However, the K3 pulls ahead again in dynamic IMD tests with real-life speech modulation, thanks to its almost unique "light touch" ALC system. The K3 implements ALC in the way that the engineers at Collins (the inventors of ALC for SSB) originally intended. The RF drive is pre-calibrated across a range of power levels on each band, leaving the ALC to deal with any moderate overshoots. 

By contrast, most (all?) other transceivers still seem to use an ALC loop with very high gain to control the power level, band-to-band gain variations, clipping overshoots and "whatever else", and the high loop gain creates major dynamic overshoots of its own.


73 from Ian GM3SEK



From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan 20 11:02:06 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:02:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <54BDFE33.8020006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54BDFE33.8020006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54BE7BFE.8000809@triconet.org>

Indeed it does.  I never understand the desire to make things complicated.  
Witness the desire to use FSK rather than AFSK with the K3.

Wes  N7WS

RTTY DX 232 worked, 208 confirmed using a K3, AFSK, VOX and a laptop soundcard.

On 1/20/2015 12:05 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,1/19/2015 8:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:
>> Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
>> take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
>> the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
>> a 9V battery?
>
> Why do you want to do this? VOX works very well with digital modes.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 20 11:13:55 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>

That sounds like you want to build effectively a VOX circuit (to 
recognize the keying tone) and drive the PTT input.

I can think of no good reason to do that because the K3 has a very good 
VOX that works well for digital modes.
The only remote reason I can think of would be if you are running Fldigi 
with the default soundcard and also have Windows Sounds enabled - 
desiring not to key the transmitter with the Windows sounds.  But that 
is not practical since the windows sounds occur on both channels and 
that goal would be defeated entirely because the right channel sound 
would also key the transmitter through that circuit you refer to.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/19/2015 11:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:
> Hi
> I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
> Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
> take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
> the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
> a 9V battery?
> Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 11:35:38 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc
In-Reply-To: <54BE42D3.8000001@internode.on.net>
References: <54BE42D3.8000001@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3GqWRsgR-ZKn5X6Kip6Ea=5fz9h3+QNVB4dAKR=i+=1Q@mail.gmail.com>

On the Sony laptop, you will need to get a USB to serial cord. Be sure to
get an adapter with an FTDI chipset. There always seem to be issues with
drivers, including one that would brick the adapter. I don't know where
that issue got to. The CURRENT model being sold by Elecraft seems to be
working ok. Use their supplied driver.

If your HP desktop has a spare slot, install a serial card with two or four
REAL RS232 serial ports. RS232 is a totally stable interface that hasn't
been changed even a little in many years. Nobody is trying to adapt RS232
to some new hardware, like what goes on in the world of USB all the time.
In my own case, RS232-land became refreshingly boring and non-problematic
when I installed a 2 port serial card. They are assigned COM1 and COM2 in
the bios boot-up, which go to my K3 and K2 respectively, and there are none
of the where-did-my-com-port-go issues. My Microham u2R has a USB interface
which has been tamed nicely and handles the rest of the signal lines. It
has been rock solid with zero issues.

*** Very Important ***  You will NOT be able to plug any standard DB9 RS232
into the K2's DB9 socket on the back. Do that and you burn stuff. You MUST
use the special Y cord to split up the RS232 signals and the proprietary
signals. See the KIO2 manual...

  http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KIO2%20man%20rev%20C%20.pdf

...beginning on page 12, for a description of the cord specifics.

73, Guy





On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Kevin Schache <hillslaird at internode.on.net>
wrote:

> I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
> Added SSB board and that's ok too.
> Then built KAT100-1  an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
> But now, connect to Computer and bother.... I didn't think to check!
> No serial connection on the computers!!!!
>
> What's the recommendation?
> An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
> Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.....
>
> I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO E
> series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.
>
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Kev   VK5KS
> K2 #7552
>
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From clawsoncw at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 11:48:23 2015
From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:48:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>

There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
would never mention it again but oops there I went...

73 and thanks for listening,
Carl WS7L

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> That sounds like you want to build effectively a VOX circuit (to recognize
> the keying tone) and drive the PTT input.
>
> I can think of no good reason to do that because the K3 has a very good
> VOX that works well for digital modes.
>
>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 20 12:34:11 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:34:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 cleanest signal possible
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701d0340a$e4ab8e30$ae02aa90$@kh-translation.dk>	<7F821E05-516C-4EF2-9C49-9D445C8C2123@elecraft.com>	<002a01d03413$eff777a0$cfe666e0$@earthlink.net>	<54BD64A1.4070103@thelortons.co.uk>
	<54BD8583.1010801@foothill.net>	<20150120002457.GG2216@n0nb.us>
	<CA+vZ_+JzoQF721vYdpBMq_iDhFR_6kY86pNaz_xOFMwSQWGbmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BE9193.6050309@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/20/2015 1:41 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> If the K3 were supplied with a stock microphone, rather than leaving it to
> the purchaser to potentially make a poor choice and then not bother to
> compensate with the equaliser, I believe we wouldn't be reading these
> admittedly  isolated comments about K3s with "thin audio".  This has
> recently come up again with the current dxpedition in Iran.
>
> I probably make fewer than a dozen SSB QSOs in a year,

Those complaining about "thin audio" clearly don't know much about the 
fundamentals of communications and speech intelligibility. It has been 
well known for nearly a century that the frequency range that is most 
important for speech intelligibility is 400 Hz to 4 kHz. It is also well 
known that speech below 400 Hz wastes transmitter power.  Those guys in 
Iran SHOULD have "thin audio." I'd consider them incompetent if they did 
not.

Ham radio is communications, not broadcasting.  Many of us have done 
both, and we know the difference.  I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering 
Society. My music recordings are full range. My ham transmissions are not.

73, Jim K9YC

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 20 12:41:12 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:41:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
	<CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BE9338.4010109@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
> There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
> AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
> very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

Can't argue with that -- every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams. It's one of those things I've learned to live with. :)

73, Jim K9YC



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 20 13:16:34 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:16:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <54BE9338.4010109@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54BE9338.4010109@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <932669652.3344413.1421777794277.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10617.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>>> every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams <<< 

Jim the best solution is for you to be the " Perfect Gentleman " and open the door for 
the wife walks through the shack with a load of laundry.???? :-D???? < big grin> 

((((73)))) Milverton.

      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
> There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
> AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
> very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions

Can't argue with that -- every time the XYL walks through the shack when 
I'm doing a SSB contest with a load of laundry she trips the VOX when 
the door slams. It's one of those things I've learned to live with. :)

73, Jim K9YC




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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Tue Jan 20 13:36:25 2015
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:36:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
	<CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BEA029.10708@coastside.net>

Further the VOX GAIN setting is the same for DATA and SSB.  I find I 
have to increase the VOX GAIN for digital modes and of course forget to 
turn it back down for SSB.  Having it per-mode would help. Fortunately I 
don't use either mode very much so it's not a big deal.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
> The VOX on/off setting is shared by
> AFSK, DATA A, and SSB.


From nf4l at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 13:40:49 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:40:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <54BEA029.10708@coastside.net>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
	<CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54BEA029.10708@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <681411D0-91E7-4116-A17A-EE683A944F50@comcast.net>

I asked a long time ago for separating SSB VOX from everything else. I found a workaround for my needs, but I;d still like it. It's supposedly on the list.

73, Mike NF4L

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net> wrote:
> 
> Further the VOX GAIN setting is the same for DATA and SSB.  I find I have to increase the VOX GAIN for digital modes and of course forget to turn it back down for SSB.  Having it per-mode would help. Fortunately I don't use either mode very much so it's not a big deal.
> 
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
> 
> On 1/20/2015 8:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
>> The VOX on/off setting is shared by
>> AFSK, DATA A, and SSB.
> 
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From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 13:47:30 2015
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:47:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2820245A312A4833B0AEDCBC5DFAA332@ejhPC>

Chris,
I understand your question, I have been wondering the same thing.
And in spite of a couple replies you got, I think it is a good question.
If you find an answer, please let me know, and I will do the same.  I have 
tried using the K3 VOX for digital modes and I have had problems with it.
One thing I have done is use a Signalink USB on the transmit side to key the 
K3, that works well, but simpler solution might be better.
Thank you, good luck 73
Emory WM3M

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Meagher
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface

Hi
I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
a 9V battery?
Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.
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From byron at n6nul.org  Tue Jan 20 13:59:44 2015
From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:59:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <54BDFE33.8020006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54BDFE33.8020006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Jim, isn't the appropriate PTT hookup covered in your HamInterfacing
document? I remember using it for my TS-830s a few years ago for RTTY.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf

Something to check, anyway, Chris.

73, Byron N6NUL

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> On Mon,1/19/2015 8:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:
>>
>> Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
>> take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
>> the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
>> a 9V battery?
>
>
> Why do you want to do this? VOX works very well with digital modes.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jan 20 14:45:54 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:45:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BEB072.4050903@subich.com>


Build the circuit here:
    https://sites.google.com/site/kh6tyinterface/

You need connect only the right channel (ring of the typical TRS jack).
The second transformer (receive audio), assorted components, and the
transmit audio pot are not needed.   Do use the transformer on the TX
audio as it provides a voltage step-up to make the VOX circuit more
sensitive.

I believe the "pseudo FSK" decoder circuit in the fldigi documentation
will also work for PTT.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-19 11:51 PM, Chris Meagher wrote:
> Hi
> I have set up a Tascam US-125M with K3/10, for work with fl-digi.
> Rather than use VOX, I would like to make a simple as possible circuit to
> take the Tascam right channel output (carrying fl-digi keyer tone) to key
> the K3 via the rear panel RCA,. Preferably electronic switching. Could use
> a 9V battery?
> Does anyone have a ready made circuit? Thanks.
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 20 15:30:43 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:30:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUxFb_cuQu0WJvF3OvvW+j7H36dp-hD29WCoD6FPiS1EhF-3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<54BE7EC3.8040008@embarqmail.com>
	<CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BEBAF3.9050807@embarqmail.com>

Carl,

Since you likely have a serial connection for rig control in addition to 
the audio lines, you have an alternative to using the Fldigi 'tone keying'.
Tell the digital mode application to use either RTS or DTR for rig PTT --
Then set the K3 CONFIG: PTT-KEY menu to match the selection in your 
software.

Only one downside to this method is when the computer boots, it will 
test the DTR and RTS signal lines which will cause the K3 to go into 
transmit temporarily (but with no audio, so no RF should be produced).  
To prevent that from happening, boot the computer first and then power 
the K3 on.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:48 AM, Carl Clawson wrote:
> There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
> AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
> very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions
>
> I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
> would never mention it again but oops there I went...
>
> 73 and thanks for listening,
> Carl WS7L
>
>


From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 20 15:49:08 2015
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:49:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m
In-Reply-To: <201411130522.sAD5M0J6008257@denali.acsalaska.net>
References: <201411130522.sAD5M0J6008257@denali.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <54BEBF44.4090508@roadrunner.com>

My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG 
(transmit gain)
figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass 
filter on
30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?

73, Roger N1RJ


From acdmeagher at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 16:06:16 2015
From: acdmeagher at gmail.com (Chris Meagher)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:06:16 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 keying/vox for digi
Message-ID: <CACUxFb_07xDeFWTDi=7St_7Bwv+Uep0vBHOwuBzNABRHx6O6Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Thanks for all the replies. I did not wish to explain why I do not want to
use VOX for keying digi from the right channel tone. But as another has
explained, the VOX setting needs to be different for Digi and phone, and I
found it annoying having to fiddle through the menu after changing modes,
and then there is the antivox also. Or remembering to turn it off, the risk
of me transmitting some curse or other is too great!. VOX is a nice feature
for some but I would rather do without it. Its a personal thing, not a
technical issue. I only ever use it for heavy contesting, where both hands
need to be free.
Anyway, I have found what looks to be a good circuit in the fldigi
manual.(thanks Joe)
Chris   VK2ACD

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 20 16:14:28 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:14:28 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
Message-ID: <201501202114.t0KLETpN069141@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Unfortunately this seems to be the case everywhere in the US.

I may be the only one here in this part of Alaska with a 222 
transverter (One other ham has done 222-eme so that's two).  Most 
just buy a FM mobile or HT and get on 223.50 (Nat'l Simplex channel) 
or repeaters if they exist.

But a comment about the 222 band:  Too often it has the best 
propagation for long-range tropo contacts (bettering 2m quite 
often).  Really a shame it is underutilized by hams.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 20 16:26:08 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Matthew Pitts via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:26:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3GqWRsgR-ZKn5X6Kip6Ea=5fz9h3+QNVB4dAKR=i+=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANckpc3GqWRsgR-ZKn5X6Kip6Ea=5fz9h3+QNVB4dAKR=i+=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1151013107.4125773.1421789168898.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106119.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

The FTDI driver that could brick the counterfeit FTDI chips has been pulled. Whether that is good or bad remains to be seen.?Matthew PittsN8OHU


      From: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
 To: Kevin Schache <hillslaird at internode.on.net> 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K2 RS232 serial port on pc
   
On the Sony laptop, you will need to get a USB to serial cord. Be sure to
get an adapter with an FTDI chipset. There always seem to be issues with
drivers, including one that would brick the adapter. I don't know where
that issue got to. The CURRENT model being sold by Elecraft seems to be
working ok. Use their supplied driver.

If your HP desktop has a spare slot, install a serial card with two or four
REAL RS232 serial ports. RS232 is a totally stable interface that hasn't
been changed even a little in many years. Nobody is trying to adapt RS232
to some new hardware, like what goes on in the world of USB all the time.
In my own case, RS232-land became refreshingly boring and non-problematic
when I installed a 2 port serial card. They are assigned COM1 and COM2 in
the bios boot-up, which go to my K3 and K2 respectively, and there are none
of the where-did-my-com-port-go issues. My Microham u2R has a USB interface
which has been tamed nicely and handles the rest of the signal lines. It
has been rock solid with zero issues.

*** Very Important ***? You will NOT be able to plug any standard DB9 RS232
into the K2's DB9 socket on the back. Do that and you burn stuff. You MUST
use the special Y cord to split up the RS232 signals and the proprietary
signals. See the KIO2 manual...

? http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KIO2%20man%20rev%20C%20.pdf

...beginning on page 12, for a description of the cord specifics.

73, Guy





On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Kevin Schache <hillslaird at internode.on.net>
wrote:

> I've successfully completed my K2 and tests appear ok.
> Added SSB board and that's ok too.
> Then built KAT100-1? an KAT102 and also tests ok.,
> But now, connect to Computer and bother.... I didn't think to check!
> No serial connection on the computers!!!!
>
> What's the recommendation?
> An RS232 serial to USB adapter?
> Reading the archives it appears this could create problems.....
>
> I've two computers, a desktop HP Compaq Presario and a laptop, SONY VAIO E
> series both running MSWindows V7, neither have serial ports.
>
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Thanks
> Kev? VK5KS
> K2 #7552
>
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From w6sfm at w6sfm.com  Tue Jan 20 17:29:59 2015
From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM@W6SFM.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:29:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 For Sale, Excellent condition
Message-ID: <54BED6E7.7050405@w6sfm.com>

Hi Guys,

I have for sale an Elecraft K1 4 band rig in Excellent condition.  This 
rig has very low hours on it and a higher SN in the 2700 range.  The rig 
comes with the hard to find 4 band (40/30/20/15) module and the ATU 
(Antenna Tuner) installed.  I will also throw in the constructed & 
working 17/80 meter module as well!  I have a small plug in power 
adapter to run the rig as a home station, and a double fused Anderson 
connector mobile adapter cable. A printed version of the build manual is 
also included.

Construction of the rig was done by a very meticulous person and all of 
the coils and transformers were wound by a true professional.  The rig 
TX and RX including its filters (200Hz-850 Hz) have all been recently 
tested on-air. TX bandpass has been tested at a +/- 10 Hz tone pitch 
center.  This rig has been carefully stored in a protective box in a 
non-smoking, pet free environment
.
I'm asking $575.00 for the rig plus shipping.  Shipping will be at 
actual cost via UPS or USPS (must be insured). If you are interested in 
purchasing the rig, would like to make an offer, or you would like more 
information and pictures, please feel free to email me off the 
reflector.  Thanks,

W6SFM
my call @w6sfm .com



From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jan 20 17:37:35 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:37:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Keyer to use with Tascam interface
In-Reply-To: <CABS7SRACNh8N+DmPYjgmMorXALf09x2hFVoMirOU=DLkrCfJ1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-BDA9FB27E9C4477C9B9D2CE801279FEF@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I'm in Carl's situation. I solved my problem with the SignaLink 
USB by using its VOX to key the K3. With a Tascam USB US-122MKII 
arriving from Emory, I'll have the problem again.

The one VOX setting for SSB and Data is particularly annoying 
with my style of operating. I am a search and pounce operator at 
heart. I scan a band looking for interesting signals. If I see 
one, I try for the contact. This style means I'm always 
switching between SSB, CW, Data A, and AFSK A. Sometimes I even 
includes AM. I haven't use FM in the rotation, because 10M is a 
big band and I'm not yet very active on 6M.

Please Elecraft, separate the VOX settings for SSB and Data. I 
would be very surprised is anyone complained, and a number of us 
will be quite gratified.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/20/15 at 8:48 AM, clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) wrote:

>There's one good reason that I know of. The VOX on/off setting is shared by
>AFSK, DATA A, and SSB. Having VOX left unintentionally active on SSB is
>very bad -- it leads to amp faults and unintended transmissions
>
>I've asked a few times for this to be fixed and swore to myself that I
>would never mention it again but oops there I went...

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From u1004467 at warwick.net  Tue Jan 20 20:58:19 2015
From: u1004467 at warwick.net (John Santillo)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:58:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
In-Reply-To: <201501202114.t0KLETpN069141@huffman.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501202114.t0KLETpN069141@huffman.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <A90B6C2B40E548F6AE89E609E076A19C@linda65e2f0809>

I do a lot of VHF contesting in June and September and find 222 a great band
that propagates very nicely.  It's quieter than 2M during a contest allowing
us to work weaker signals than we would be able to on 2M.  We have worked
well into the mid-west using Tropo but unfortunately the activity isn't what
it could be.  

I wish more stations would invest in 222.



73,

John
N2HMM for
W2LV FN21

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:14 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter

Unfortunately this seems to be the case everywhere in the US.

I may be the only one here in this part of Alaska with a 222 
transverter (One other ham has done 222-eme so that's two).  Most 
just buy a FM mobile or HT and get on 223.50 (Nat'l Simplex channel) 
or repeaters if they exist.

But a comment about the 222 band:  Too often it has the best 
propagation for long-range tropo contacts (bettering 2m quite 
often).  Really a shame it is underutilized by hams.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From aa4lr at arrl.net  Tue Jan 20 23:17:17 2015
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
Message-ID: <15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>


> On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
> like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
> Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
> switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
> 
> Tnx in Advance
> 
> Mike Zbrozek, K8XF

I?m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter ? the 13 kHz FM filter.

I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That?s nice ? if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive. 

During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.

Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.

The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You don?t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio works great with just the stock filter.

Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter makes a difference. I?ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There?s a distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel interference. I?m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and RTTY work.

Bottom line ? can you afford to put $700 (or $1400 if you buy the KRX3 option) worth of crystal filters in your radio? Yes? Good for you. No? Then the stock 5-pole filter works great. Splurge for the 500 Hz (5-pole) roofing filter instead of upgrading to the 2.8 kHz (8-pole) filter.

PS - I just bought the KRX3 option and purchased it with the stock 2.7 kHz (5-pole) filter. I did spend the extra $30 to get a filter whose offset matches the offset of the filter in the main radio (-0.79). 




From w2lj at verizon.net  Tue Jan 20 23:17:51 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:17:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Wednesday Night!
Message-ID: <952544.69248.bm@smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

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EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, January 22nd, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint201501.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
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Come join us and have a real good time!

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From aa4lr at arrl.net  Tue Jan 20 23:25:31 2015
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1539L3O1qKTf=3796RvLEVOWZNERtmqCwf1mRGaTqhKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<54B5EF3E.5060304@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CANckpc1539L3O1qKTf=3796RvLEVOWZNERtmqCwf1mRGaTqhKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87B6ACFA-8601-49C2-93DA-CCA6EC5071B7@arrl.net>


> On Jan 14, 2015, at 3:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would note that in crowded contesting conditions, you pretty much
> have to use a filter which matches the DSP setting. What gets by the
> roofing filter can engage the "defensive" hardware AGC which is there
> to keep input to the analog to digital conversion in the sweet range
> of the AD device. This can become a problem with very loud signals
> right at the edge of the DSP passband, if the roofing filter is not
> close in bandwidth.

I disagree with this assessment. The DSP filtering is quite good. You only have a problem with a wider roofing filter causing the hardware AGC pumping for extremely strong signals that happen to be within the bounds of the roofing filter, but outside the DSP filter. Unless the roofing filter is really wide (like using the 2.7 kHz filter in a CW contest) this doesn?t happen that often.

I find the stock 2.7 kHz roofing filter more than adequate for SSB contesting, and the 500 Hz roofing filter perfect for CW and RTTY contesting. 

The K3 is a fantastic radio even if you don?t have a bunch of really expensive crystal filters?.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
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            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jan 20 23:27:37 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:27:37 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <1421814457.14770.17.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

I use the 8 pole Xtal filter, and love it for CW...  You are in for such
a treat once you get your K3 going on CW...  The rig is a wet dream for
CW ops.
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On Tue, 2015-01-20 at 23:17 -0500, Bill Coleman wrote:
> > On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
> > like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
> > Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
> > switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
> > 
> > Tnx in Advance
> > 
> > Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
> 
> I?m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter ? the 13 kHz FM filter.
> 
> I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That?s nice ? if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive. 
> 
> During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.
> 
> Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.
> 
> The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You don?t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio works great with just the stock filter.
> 
> Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter makes a difference. I?ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There?s a distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel interference. I?m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and RTTY work.
> 
> Bottom line ? can you afford to put $700 (or $1400 if you buy the KRX3 option) worth of crystal filters in your radio? Yes? Good for you. No? Then the stock 5-pole filter works great. Splurge for the 500 Hz (5-pole) roofing filter instead of upgrading to the 2.8 kHz (8-pole) filter.
> 
> PS - I just bought the KRX3 option and purchased it with the stock 2.7 kHz (5-pole) filter. I did spend the extra $30 to get a filter whose offset matches the offset of the filter in the main radio (-0.79). 
> 
> 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:23:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:23:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.

The "problem" is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and 
do not have an offset.
The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope 
factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are 
such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might 
be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.

So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in 
DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5 
pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings 
can be significant.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
>> like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
>> Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
>> switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
>>
>> Tnx in Advance
>>
>> Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
> I?m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter ? the 13 kHz FM filter.
>
> I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That?s nice ? if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.
>
> During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.
>
> Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.
>
> The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You don?t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio works great with just the stock filter.
>
> Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter makes a difference. I?ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There?s a distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel interference. I?m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and RTTY work.
>
>


From bill at wjschmidt.com  Wed Jan 21 00:55:50 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:55:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
	<54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
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Well let's be clear here...

These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in adjacent frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the country and don't have any loud stations near you, it?s not likely you will ever perceive a difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.   So the decision is driven more by the degree of loud stations operating adjacent to you... than by the type of operating you do.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:23 PM
To: Bill Coleman; Mike Zbrozek
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters

Bill,

If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.

The "problem" is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and 
do not have an offset.
The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope 
factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are 
such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might 
be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.

So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in 
DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5 
pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings 
can be significant.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
>> like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
>> Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
>> switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
>>
>> Tnx in Advance
>>
>> Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
> I?m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter ? the 13 kHz FM filter.
>
> I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That?s nice ? if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.
>
> During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.
>
> Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.
>
> The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You don?t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio works great with just the stock filter.
>
> Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter makes a difference. I?ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There?s a distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel interference. I?m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and RTTY work.
>
>

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan 21 01:00:57 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:00:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
	<54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BF4099.2090806@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/20/2015 9:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
> and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite 
> adequate. 

I agree completely. I'm a contester, so I have tight 8-pole filters. 
I've often advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need. K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point.

73, Jim K9YC

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 02:34:28 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 07:34:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BF4099.2090806@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54BF4099.2090806@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1891566766.4325650.1421825669011.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> I'm a contester, <?>> so I have tight 8-pole filters.<<?>>> I've often advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need. <<<?
Jim, I really hate to burst your bubble, you being a CONTESTER and all.However! On any given contest weekend, the Non Contester are the ones who really need the"Tight Filters" because some inconsiderate holier than god contester will start calling CQ 1500 hz next to 
an existing QSO. (14.300) catches HELL during contest weekend. 
I'm really glad that you are a Contester, but I get the impression from your audacious statementthat if one is not among the coveted contesters then they would not know the need of such sophisticatedgadgetry.

>>>>> K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point. <<<<< 

The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.
I guess Ham Radio is only for CONTESTERS.?
Just my $0.02 worth. 


((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS

      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 9:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup 
> and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite 
> adequate. 

I agree completely. I'm a contester, so I have tight 8-pole filters. 
I've often advised those who are not contesters to go with no additional 
roofing filters and add only on the air experience has taught them that 
they need. K2AV and I are both contesters (and engineers), and we have 
independently arrived at the same point.

73, Jim K9YC
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jan 21 03:57:11 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:57:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <1891566766.4325650.1421825669011.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <54BF4099.2090806@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1891566766.4325650.1421825669011.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54BF69E7.9090206@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote:
> The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.

Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising 
them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a 
crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.

The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators 
with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own," 
justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime 
nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.

I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has 
a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to 
me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to 
QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and 
you've decided it's time for your "net," you can look for an empty 
frequency, just like I had to.

73, Jim K9YC



From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 21 06:37:32 2015
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m
In-Reply-To: <54BEBF44.4090508@roadrunner.com>
References: <201411130522.sAD5M0J6008257@denali.acsalaska.net>
	<54BEBF44.4090508@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <54BF8F7C.3000708@roadrunner.com>

I meant to say same filter on 30 and 20m.

On 1/20/2015 3:49 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG
> (transmit gain)
> figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass
> filter on
> 30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?
>
> 73, Roger N1RJ
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 06:56:16 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:56:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BF69E7.9090206@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54BF69E7.9090206@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <930023658.4407009.1421841376608.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!
?> The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators 
?> with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own," 
?> justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime 
?> nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
?> boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
?> wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
?> the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
?> frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - Reeks with Condescension.
There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea. 
Copied from the previous post.?
?>? Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC bands.
? > If not "open" then i find something else to do.?? > I have all 8 pole filters but they dont help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc up/down from me running crap audio, an amp??????? ??? > getting its ring flogged and a rig with all the knobs slammed to the right.> Oh, and we cop it from EU and the US.....Geography is irrevelant it seems..> No point in asking either.....>? It is what it is i guess.? > 73??> Gary
?> Vk1ZZ
Ham Radio is not only about Contesting! 


((((73)))) Milverton. 
?
 

     From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   
On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote:
> The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.

Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising 
them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a 
crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.

The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators 
with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own," 
justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime 
nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a 
boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing 
wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to 
the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty 
frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.

I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has 
a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to 
me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to 
QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and 
you've decided it's time for your "net," you can look for an empty 
frequency, just like I had to.



73, Jim K9YC


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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Wed Jan 21 07:19:18 2015
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:19:18 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <028401d0353e$e9591bc0$bc0b5340$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>	<54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
	<028401d0353e$e9591bc0$bc0b5340$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <54BF9946.80709@horizon.co.fk>

K3 with sub RX here.  Both with stock 2.7kHz and five pole 500Hz 
filters.  Not a contester but haunt DX and DXped piles.  I have a 
neighbour 300 metres away with a 9+60 signal from another brand 
transceiver that fills any band he is on with S5 noise, somewhat less on 
adjacent bands but still there.  Inclusion of a band filter between his 
transceiver and linear cures the adjacent band problem.  A visiting K3 
at the same location being used on SSB whilst I was on CW was not known 
to be on the band until I saw a spot.  A quick check revealed that I 
could get within +/- 35kHz before noise became a problem. At that point 
I was till copying a VE SSB mobile at S2-3 without difficulty.

The nice thing about the K3 is you can tell it lies about the filter 
setup, both width and offset.  Both my unmatched filter pairs have 
exactly the same offset, I told the K3 they had.  As far as I am aware 
this information is only used in the maths used to set the syth 
frequencies to make sure the filters are suitably positioned with 
respect to the desired audio passband.  A 500Hz filter passband window 
error of a few tens of Hz is not an issue.  I believe the "matched" 
filters are only good for 10Hz, could be wrong there.

Five pole works for me.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


On 21/01/2015 02:55, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
> Well let's be clear here...
>
> These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in adjacent frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the country and don't have any loud stations near you, it?s not likely you will ever perceive a difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.   So the decision is driven more by the degree of loud stations operating adjacent to you... than by the type of operating you do.
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
> Staunton, Illinois
>
> Owner ? Operator
> Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ
> Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
> Rent it at: http://www.vrbo.com/487375
>
> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:23 PM
> To: Bill Coleman; Mike Zbrozek
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
>
> Bill,
>
> If you are not into 'hot and heavy' contesting or DXing in a pileup
> and/or diversity receive, you will find the 5 pole filters quite adequate.
>
> The "problem" is that the 8 pole filters have a better slope factor and
> do not have an offset.
> The offset is only important for diversity reception, and the slope
> factor is only important in situations where the band conditions are
> such that there are strong signals on adjacent frequencies -- as might
> be encountered in heavy contests or DX pileups.
>
> So if you are not interested in having the optimum receive capability in
> DX pileups and heavy contesting situations, save your $$$ and use the 5
> pole filters.  Some of us are more casual operators, and the $$$ savings
> can be significant.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/20/2015 11:17 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Mike Zbrozek <k8xf4 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> As a cw opr that is planning on buying a K3 next month I would
>>> like to know how many cw ops use/prefer 5 or 8 pole cw filters?
>>> Does anybody use the 1000 Hz 8 pole filter for hunting cq's then
>>> switch over to a 500 or 400 Hz filter? And how many cw ops use a sharper 200 or 250 Hz filter?
>>>
>>> Tnx in Advance
>>>
>>> Mike Zbrozek, K8XF
>> I?m going to buck the trend a little bit. I only have one 8-pole filter ? the 13 kHz FM filter.
>>
>> I see posts from a lot of guys who have a radio full of 8-pole filters. That?s nice ? if you can afford it. Those filters are expensive.
>>
>> During the five years I spent dreaming of owning a K3, I had thought I only wanted to have the 8-pole filters. However, my wife (the best XYL ever!) ordered a very stock K3 for me for Christmas, and it came with the 2700 Hz (5-pole) filter. Swapping out this filter after the fact for the 2800 (8-pole) filter is even more expensive than ordering it in the first place.
>>
>> Because of the expense, I used the stock filter for about six months before contemplating anything. I bought the 13 kHz filter because it gave me FM and AM receive and transmit capability. I got the 500 Hz (5-pole) filter because someone offered it on this list at a greatly discounted price.
>>
>> The key thing to remember about the K3 is that the DSP IS your filter! You don?t have to buy any of those expensive crystal filters. PERIOD. The radio works great with just the stock filter.
>>
>> Do the expensive crystal filters make a difference? Yes. The 500 Hz filter makes a difference. I?ve got it configured to kick in at 450 Hz. There?s a distinct difference in the audio background noise switching to 450 from 500. During the 160m CW contest, this filter knocks down a lot of adjacent channel interference. I?m glad I have a narrow roofing filter available for CW, PSK and RTTY work.

From lists at subich.com  Wed Jan 21 08:19:27 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <930023658.4407009.1421841376608.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <54BF69E7.9090206@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<930023658.4407009.1421841376608.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54BFA75F.7020102@subich.com>


 > Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!

Neither is ham radio about bunch of "Nets" that only serve as claims
to frequencies in direct contravention to the license terms of those
who make them.

THERE ARE MARITIME DISTRESS FREQUENCIES FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES!  ANYONE
WHO GOES ON THE WATER WITHOUT PROPER EQUIPMENT AND EXPECTS TO USE HAM
RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL.

That the Maritime Service Net has bailed out fools who were too cheap
to purchase/install proper safety equipment only proves that the nets
are populated by equal numbers of fools intent on enabling dangerous
and foolish behavior.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-21 6:56 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!
>   > The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators
>   > with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own,"
>   > justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime
>   > nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
>   > boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
>   > wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
>   > the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
>   > frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - Reeks with Condescension.
> There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea.
> Copied from the previous post.
>   >  Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC bands.
>    > If not "open" then i find something else to do.   > I have all 8 pole filters but they dont help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc up/down from me running crap audio, an amp            > getting its ring flogged and a rig with all the knobs slammed to the right.> Oh, and we cop it from EU and the US.....Geography is irrevelant it seems..> No point in asking either.....>  It is what it is i guess.  > 73  > Gary
>   > Vk1ZZ
> Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!
>
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>
>
>       From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>   To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:57 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
>
> On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote:
>> The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.
>
> Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising
> them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a
> crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.
>
> The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators
> with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own,"
> justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime
> nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
> boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
> wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
> the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
> frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.
>
> I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has
> a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to
> me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to
> QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and
> you've decided it's time for your "net," you can look for an empty
> frequency, just like I had to.
>
>
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 21 08:34:18 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BFA75F.7020102@subich.com>
References: <54BF69E7.9090206@audiosystemsgroup.com>,
	<930023658.4407009.1421841376608.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,
	<54BFA75F.7020102@subich.com>
Message-ID: <COL127-W31389D2D549E967E16936BD0480@phx.gbl>

And If I've established a run frequency and
> you've decided it's time for your "net," you can look for an empty
> frequency, just like I had to.

You're right Jim... however.. a qrp op doesn't have that "right"  he has 
to move... when the "Other mindset op" comes on... so.. I'll speak up here.

"We own it... We've been here at this time for the last 150 years!! "
ok.. fine..
But the one that gets me.. is the 
"We can't change freq.. because no one will find us."
Don't they have vfos? I'm pretty sure that most of the radios used in nets today have
vfos. And.. I'm pretty sure that if the operators don't know how to use the vfo, and their
own skills to find the NCS.. they need to learn how.. and now would be a good time. 

I'm proud of my K2(s) and I expect anyone with almost any radio to be able to operate 
within a few cycles of me... They do all the time now... but not for long.. 
I move. It's kinda funny tho.. I can move and still make Qs.. many times I tune back 
and find they have given up moved on, calling empty returns... on a very productive freq 
for me. 
 
Part of the game, I suppose. 
Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 

 		 	   		  

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 08:54:35 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:54:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BFA75F.7020102@subich.com>
References: <54BFA75F.7020102@subich.com>
Message-ID: <730227858.4508822.1421848475798.JavaMail.yahoo@jws106104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

?>>> " EXPECTS TO USE HAM RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL." <<<
? Amazing! 

((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS


      From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
   

 > Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!

Neither is ham radio about bunch of "Nets" that only serve as claims
to frequencies in direct contravention to the license terms of those
who make them.

THERE ARE MARITIME DISTRESS FREQUENCIES FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES!? ANYONE
WHO GOES ON THE WATER WITHOUT PROPER EQUIPMENT AND EXPECTS TO USE HAM
RADIO TO BAIL HIS/HER BUT OUT IS A FOOL.

That the Maritime Service Net has bailed out fools who were too cheap
to purchase/install proper safety equipment only proves that the nets
are populated by equal numbers of fools intent on enabling dangerous
and foolish behavior.

73,

? ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-21 6:56 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS!!!!!
>? > The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators
>? > with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own,"
>? > justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime
>? > nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
>? > boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
>? > wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
>? > the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
>? > frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.ANCIENT AND EL CHEAPO - Reeks with Condescension.
> There are documented instances where the Maritime Net has come to the assistance of distressedboaters on the high sea.
> Copied from the previous post.
>? >? Sadly, when a major contest comes around i am forced to hide on the WARC bands.
>? ? > If not "open" then i find something else to do.? > I have all 8 pole filters but they dont help when a rude station blasts away less tha 1kc up/down from me running crap audio, an amp? ? ? ? ? ? > getting its ring flogged and a rig with all the knobs slammed to the right.> Oh, and we cop it from EU and the US.....Geography is irrevelant it seems..> No point in asking either.....>? It is what it is i guess.? > 73? > Gary
>? > Vk1ZZ
> Ham Radio is not only about Contesting!
>
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton.
>
>
>
>? ? ? From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>? To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>? Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:57 AM
>? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
>
> On Tue,1/20/2015 11:34 PM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote:
>> The level of Snobbery here has crested the previous water mark.
>
> Not snobbery at all. I'm simply trying to save people money by advising
> them not to buy stuff they don't need. Someone who wants to operate on a
> crowded band needs narrow filters. it sounds like you and your friends do.
>
> The contesters I know are up to here with "nets" comprised of operators
> with ancient and el cheapo radios defending the frequencies they "own,"
> justifying their "ownership" by calling them traffic nets, or "maritime
> nets" but almost never passing traffic and never checking in anyone on a
> boat, and rarely doing much more than checking in. Now, there's nothing
> wrong with any of that, but it gives those operators no more right to
> the frequency they have selected than the contester who hears an empty
> frequency, asks QRL?, hears nothing, and calls CQ.
>
> I take pride in a very clean and narrow signal. My K3 with power amp has
> a -40 dB SSB bandwidth less than 3.5 kHz. If you want to operate next to
> me, you need to bring a good radio to the party. And I'm not going to
> QSY because you don't. And If I've established a run frequency and
> you've decided it's time for your "net," you can look for an empty
> frequency, just like I had to.
>
>
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Wed Jan 21 08:58:00 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <COL127-W31389D2D549E967E16936BD0480@phx.gbl>
References: <COL127-W31389D2D549E967E16936BD0480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54BFB068.7010203@nycap.rr.com>

Hoorah!  I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can 
we move on?

Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.

Bill W2BLC K-Line


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jan 21 09:23:27 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:23:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OFF TOPIC: Discussion about etiquette
In-Reply-To: <54BFB068.7010203@nycap.rr.com>
References: <COL127-W31389D2D549E967E16936BD0480@phx.gbl>
	<54BFB068.7010203@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1421850207.14770.24.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Could we move this to the above topic please...  I was enjoying the
filter discussion...

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
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www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 08:58 -0500, W2BLC wrote:
> Hoorah!  I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can 
> we move on?
> 
> Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Wed Jan 21 09:42:24 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 07:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
Message-ID: <188666F3B2F5474383F4C59D4342B317@TDYDell>

Hi All,

Maybe I misinterpreted the data, but when I selected my filters, I opted for the 8 pole 400 hz, plus the 5 pole 200 hz.  I selected the latter one simply because the actual width seemed more compatible in relation to what the 400 hz filter provided.  The 250 hz filter almost overlapped the 400 hz filter.  Besides, the 5 pole filters are not slouches!  The 8 pole filters may have somewhat steeper skirts, but not to the point that they make the 5 pole filters a bad idea, or a serious compromise.  In any event, I wasn?t trying to save the slight difference in cost.  However, maybe I erred in my assessment, which I often do!!!  I rarely have to go to the 200 hz filter, but when I do, it seems to do the job very nicely.

Dave W7AQK


From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net  Wed Jan 21 09:50:34 2015
From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:50:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
Message-ID: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>

The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo

From jp at kc5ry.com  Wed Jan 21 09:58:48 2015
From: jp at kc5ry.com (jp at kc5ry.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:58:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <693484050.105685.1421852330733@18e4e2fd33fa4e32bc8860ac5c3b172a.nuevasync.com>

Yes please!!
Thank you! 

Jorge - KC5RY




> On Jan 21, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Jeffrey Otterson <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net> wrote:
> 
> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
> 
> Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
> announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
> allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
> time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Jeff n1kdo
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From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Wed Jan 21 10:48:31 2015
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 07:48:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up remote stations
Message-ID: <CAPE+ietqsi0TnKvQHdGfM+EmanD+gZTQvAHqUS8g7FKnKc1Xpg@mail.gmail.com>

Since rebuilding my shack I no longer have a need for operating remotely.

If anyone is working on setting up a remote station I have some items you
may be interested in.

Netgear Ethernet adapter

http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Universal-Ethernet-Adapter-
WNCE2001/dp/B003KPBRRW

Silex USB to Ethernet device (2 ports)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GOGOTWE/ref=oh_aui_
detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Lantronics serial to Ethernet (2 RS2332 ports)

http://gridconnect.com/usb-to-serial/serial-to-ethernet/uds2100.html

$200 for all three shipped CONUS....and....

1. GHE remote internal antenna and standard power, 8 relays. standard
indoor enclosure.

2. GHE remote with external enclosure w/bias T, 16 relay, interior antenna.

New condition. $225 shipped CONUS. Would cost about $380 from GHE.

73
Greg
AB7R

From wes at triconet.org  Wed Jan 21 10:54:58 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BFCBD2.1040507@triconet.org>

Some would then say, use JT65.

On 1/21/2015 7:50 AM, Jeffrey Otterson wrote:
> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
>
[snipped to spare the reader]

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 11:54:53 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:54:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <273120994.2716548.1421859293895.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10081.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I second this notion of an?"elecraft-announce" list,that provides only announcements from Elecraft.
I would find that quite useful

      From: Jeffrey Otterson <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
   
The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0? -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?? That would be extremely useful.? I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 12:11:49 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Matthew Pitts via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:11:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1859267040.4565387.1421860309876.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10658.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject line that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work for Eric in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said announcements to occur; even if a separate list was set up for them, it would inevitably happen that the discussion would come to this list, whether we wanted to read it or not.
Matthew PittsN8OHU?

      From: Jeffrey Otterson <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
   
The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0? -- way below.

Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
allows no other posters?? That would be extremely useful.? I don't have
time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.

Thanks for your consideration.

Jeff n1kdo
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 12:21:04 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:21:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTO1LtzUO4gDUZw480ckqpfuJuGB3ei8YYhqJuaPfSnrgg@mail.gmail.com>

The delete key remains the best "noise limiter".  There are a few list
posters that I've learned to delete on sight without reading.

Let's not have Eric think for us ... he has more important matters to
attend to.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 21, 2015 7:50 AM, "Jeffrey Otterson" <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net>
wrote:

> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
>
> Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
> announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
> allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
> time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Jeff n1kdo
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jan 21 12:26:03 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:26:03 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
Message-ID: <201501211726.t0LHQ3u0033224@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Since I operate very little on HF, then why did I buy the 8-pole filters?

Because:
1.  I figured they had steeper skirts for extreme operating 
conditions where adjacent strong signals were encountered.  (very 
rarely happens in my neighborhood though a multi- super contesting 
station lies 10mi north of me).  But someday I may be operating 
portable/mobile in the lower-48 where it will be appreciated.

2.  I bought the KRX3 sub-receiver; matched filters were recommended.
3.  I figured it would help re-sale value, someday.

I bought:
13-KHz for FM (on VHF)
2.8-KHz (K3 required either 5 or 8-pole SSB filter)
400-Hz CW
2.8-KHz for KRX3.

I wrongly bought an extra 13-KHz filter for the KRX3, not thinking 
clearly that the KRX3 would not be used for FM - I sold it here on 
the reflector after realizing my error.

In practise I mostly use the 2.8-KHz roofing filter and set bw with 
the DSP, even on CW, which is mainly used for VHF or eme.  The 400-Hz 
filter does appear to improve the sensitivity when running 200-Hz on 
CW-eme.  Probably knocks down the noise bw of the receiver before the 
A/D converters.

I avoid the HF contests and only participate in the Elecraft 
Net.  Occasional psk-31 on 14.070, and very occasional general 
chatting on (mostly 20m).  99% activity is eme oriented which is 90% 
building/fixing and 10% operating.  QRV on 17-bands 600m/3cm.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jan 21 13:26:23 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:26:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <1859267040.4565387.1421860309876.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10658.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1859267040.4565387.1421860309876.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10658.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1421864783.14770.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

That would work for me...  Just filter on the announce tag, and move the
rest to a discussion folder I can look at as needed...
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 17:11 +0000, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote:
> I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject line that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work for Eric in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said announcements to occur; even if a separate list was set up for them, it would inevitably happen that the discussion would come to this list, whether we wanted to read it or not.
> Matthew PittsN8OHU 
> 
>       From: Jeffrey Otterson <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net>
>  To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
>    
> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
> 
> Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
> announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
> allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
> time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Jeff n1kdo
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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Jan 21 13:33:49 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:33:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <1421864783.14770.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <CA+G8gAkKwcSAWEJrbrFVW-zASRkZW_j0Pf5-opKEV6JSYpT1vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1859267040.4565387.1421860309876.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10658.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1421864783.14770.30.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <C5FA031D-401F-43BE-9438-79611F34D292@mac.com>

That works as long as some discussion does not start up on the
[Announcement] tag. Or, if people can remember to be diligent, before
starting discussion they can remove the [Announcement] tag.

By the way, I already filter out a small set of e-mails (from the "from:" tag)
because I don't want to miss anything they say.  These are filtered merely
by marking them with flag (Mac mail).  This set is somewhat obvious and
includes:  Wayne, Eric, and about a dozen others whose technical
expertise & knowledge is far more than mine (thus, reading their messages puts me in
learning mode most of the time).

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:26 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> That would work for me...  Just filter on the announce tag, and move the
> rest to a discussion folder I can look at as needed...
> -- 
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2015-01-21 at 17:11 +0000, Matthew Pitts via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have a better suggestion; how about an [Announcement] tag in the subject line that people could use to filter messages? That would be far less work for Eric in the long run, and it would allow discussion on said announcements to occur; even if a separate list was set up for them, it would inevitably happen that the discussion would come to this list, whether we wanted to read it or not.
>> Matthew PittsN8OHU 
>> 
>>      From: Jeffrey Otterson <otterson_nospam at nhrc.net>
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:50 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
>> 
>> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
>> 
>> Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides only
>> announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful* news) and
>> allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I don't have
>> time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
>> 
>> Thanks for your consideration.
>> 
>> Jeff n1kdo
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:19:54 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:19:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] 8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <028401d0353e$e9591bc0$bc0b5340$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <03c101d02fad$7afc57f0$0601a8c0@MIKESCOMPUTER>
	<15C0B17B-EA4B-4BF3-9801-EF9BD8B28AC0@arrl.net>
	<54BF37BB.2000808@embarqmail.com>
	<028401d0353e$e9591bc0$bc0b5340$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1AmSaixZ0861vgLQSfVJLnP5j10KTAYuMpNiLRUpw7Eg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II <
bill at wjschmidt.com> wrote:

> These are roofing filters, so you will only notice a difference in
> adjacent frequency rejection of loud signals... so if you live out in the
> country and don't have any loud stations near you, it?s not likely you will
> ever perceive a difference between 5 pole and 8 pole filters.


Will beg to differ here. It certainly is not just the loud local at issue.
Another is the dB between the very weak desired IN-channel signal and the
very loud close-in UN-desired station that is just barely up or down from
you.

If I had a dollar bill for every time I was trying to copy a very weak 40m,
in-the-noise EU QRP station running a noodle antenna on the floor of his
basement, with a 10 kW mildly clicky Italian station up 300 Hz with a three
element beam up 180 feet aimed at the US, I could buy a lot of new
equipment.

Of course, we were using a five element full sized quad on 40m, but the K3
showing 45 over 9 for his signal seemed high. Between DX contests I did a
complete alignment and calibration. The next time I ran into that station
he was only (?) 40 over 9. Or maybe that was propagation. The ambient noise
was S4. That's S4 in the 350 Hz 8 pole filter ("250"). So I'll give the
argument the benefit of the doubt here call the QRP station S4, although
probably he was only S3 at best. That's a 65 dB difference (probably 70)
between the wanted and unwanted. What the 5 poles do NOT have, and the 8
poles DO have, is sharply steep skirts.

The problem is to drop 65-70 dB in about 170 Hz. And do it without tuning
off your run frequency. Knowing those kinds of situations, the other ops
would not let me put a rig with 5 pole filters on the line. The 8 pole 350
with the DSP at 350 drops 65 dB off center zero in 250 Hz. With the NB set
for medium key click cancel, that takes out my 40 over 9 up frequency
neighbor and most people calling him and allows me to strain to copy the
noodle QRP station with nothing but ambient noise as the enemy.

Do I need that in mild casual operating?  Heck no. But it serves me in many
more situations than just when I have another station within a quarter mile.

If I took my K3 out to the contest station with 5 pole filters for CW
running bandwidth, the other ops wouldn't let me put it on the line. It
would be an emergency spare only.

As for SSB contesting, I use the 8 pole 1.8 roofers, and it just barely
uncovers some signals from interference up and down.

73, Guy.

From idarack at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:30:05 2015
From: idarack at gmail.com (KD3TB)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:30:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] E850463 15-pin KAT500 / KPA500 Cables
Message-ID: <00a601d035b0$a924c5a0$fb6e50e0$@com>

Hello to all on the list.

 

I have two genuine Elecraft 15 pin cables that are used to interconnect the
K3 to the KPA 500 and the KAT 500.


KAT500 to KPA500 cable. Provides band data to KAT500 for band change prior
to TX,, and feeds through KPAK3AUX cable data from  the K3 to the KPA500.
Typically used in addition to the KPAK3AUX cable from the K3 to route band
data, keying and AUXBUS data through the KAT500 to the KPA500. (The KAT500
has AUX Cable IN and OUT connections.) This is the same 15 pin cable as is
contained in the KPAP3AUX cable set.

  
They are surplus to my needs and are functionally & cosmetically 100%.

 

They sell on the Elecraft website for $24.95 each.

 

I am offering them for half price -- $15 each or both for $25 + actual
postage to your destination.

 

PayPal or personal check OK.

 

Please contact me off list if interested.  My call sign at arrl.net.

 

Irwin, KD3TB

 

 

 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 21 14:47:19 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:47:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Low output 30m
In-Reply-To: <54BEBF44.4090508@roadrunner.com>
References: <201411130522.sAD5M0J6008257@denali.acsalaska.net>
	<54BEBF44.4090508@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <8D4E7FCF-5F71-4038-9100-C6998BB3567B@elecraft.com>

Sounds like the 30-meter band-pass filter trimmers need to be readjusted.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jan 20, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Roger D Johnson <n1rj at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> My K3 has always had low output on 30m (ca 90 watts). I checked the TXG (transmit gain)
> figures and 40m is 64, 30m is 103 and 20m is 30. The K3 uses the same lowpass filter on
> 30 and 40m. Is it possible mine rolls off too quickly at the low end?
> 
> 73, Roger N1RJ
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From w0sd at triotel.net  Wed Jan 21 14:52:09 2015
From: w0sd at triotel.net (Ed Gray W0SD)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:52:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remotely Program CW messages
Message-ID: <54C00369.1030900@triotel.net>

Can you program the CW messages in the K3 remotely? If so how?  I can't 
figure out a way to do it!

Thanks,

Ed W0SD

From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 15:59:02 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:59:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately
Message-ID: <54C01316.2050302@gmail.com>

Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being 
able to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse 
using the CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the 
VFO so that the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal 
peaks. If you put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does 
not decode. I have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to 
decode better than the right.

BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector 
seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes 
a long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have 
been altered.

-- 

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org


From droese at necg.de  Wed Jan 21 17:33:11 2015
From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:33:11 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remotely Program CW messages
In-Reply-To: <54C00369.1030900@triotel.net>
References: <54C00369.1030900@triotel.net>
Message-ID: <54C02927.2060809@necg.de>


Ed,

you can do it with the K3 Utility software thru your remote RS-232 
connection.

73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 21.01.2015 um 20:52 schrieb Ed Gray W0SD:
> Can you program the CW messages in the K3 remotely? If so how?  I 
> can't figure out a way to do it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed W0SD
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 18:19:14 2015
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:19:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] equipment for sale
Message-ID: <15C14865-8535-4EE9-B05E-DAF935F5A03C@gmail.com>

I have the following items to sell from a silent key?s estate:
KX3
PX3
K1
Two K2s
two WM-2s
XG3
KAT100
HF Packer amp K500R
Z11 PRO2 auto tuner

Email for more info. Make reasonable offers.

73,
Carl Yaffey, K8NU, K3 7976.









From Gary at ka1j.com  Wed Jan 21 19:10:22 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:10:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Request
Message-ID: <54C03FEE.14828.E4755C8@Gary.ka1j.com>

Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the 
empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2 
of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.

I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the 
far side and use the entire screen to pick & choose where I want to 
transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste 
1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be 
compressed in 1/2 the space. 

73,

Gary
KA1J

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jan 21 19:26:15 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:26:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Request
In-Reply-To: <54C03FEE.14828.E4755C8@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C03FEE.14828.E4755C8@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C043A7.3080007@foothill.net>

I do this in Fixed Track mode.  I set the left edge just a little lower 
than the DX QRG [VFO A in split mode], and then set the span to a little 
wider than the pile-up which then occupies most of the width of the 
screen.  The VFO B [my TX QRG] cursor is then a snap to move to where I 
think he last made a Q.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/21/2015 4:10 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the
> empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2
> of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.
>
> I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the
> far side and use the entire screen to pick & choose where I want to
> transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste
> 1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be
> compressed in 1/2 the space.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 21 20:20:41 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:20:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <54BFB068.7010203@nycap.rr.com>
References: <COL127-W31389D2D549E967E16936BD0480@phx.gbl>
	<54BFB068.7010203@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54C05069.10805@elecraft.com>

This thread is closed. Joe's earlier posting was inappropriate and violated list 
guidelines.

Please refrain from discussing this further. Please address complaints to the 
list manager (me), rather than posting here.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com

On 1/21/2015 5:58 AM, W2BLC wrote:
> Hoorah! I thought this is a technical forum - not an elitist venue. Can we 
> move on?
>
> Flame if you want - it just warms the bandwidth and wastes your time.
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jan 21 20:22:34 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:22:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk]  8 or5 Pole cw filters
In-Reply-To: <188666F3B2F5474383F4C59D4342B317@TDYDell>
References: <188666F3B2F5474383F4C59D4342B317@TDYDell>
Message-ID: <54C050DA.8070604@elecraft.com>

This technical part of the discussion is of course, OK. My prior thread closure 
just posted under this topic referred to the improper postings in reference to 
maritime nets etc.

Carry on. :-)

73,

Eric
elecraft.com

On 1/21/2015 6:42 AM, dyarnes wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe I misinterpreted the data, but when I selected my filters, I opted for the 8 pole 400 hz, plus the 5 pole 200 hz.  I selected the latter one simply because the actual width seemed more compatible in relation to what the 400 hz filter provided.  The 250 hz filter almost overlapped the 400 hz filter.  Besides, the 5 pole filters are not slouches!  The 8 pole filters may have somewhat steeper skirts, but not to the point that they make the 5 pole filters a bad idea, or a serious compromise.  In any event, I wasn?t trying to save the slight difference in cost.  However, maybe I erred in my assessment, which I often do!!!  I rarely have to go to the 200 hz filter, but when I do, it seems to do the job very nicely.
>
> Dave W7AQK
>


From peterc281 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 20:31:47 2015
From: peterc281 at gmail.com (peterc281)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:31:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 RF tap for SDR Pure Signal
Message-ID: <1421890307113-7597353.post@n2.nabble.com>

As well as using my K3 to drive my KPA500/KAT500 I am also using a Apache
Labs Anan-10. 

There is a means of improving the linearity of the SDR transmitter using
?Pure Signal? This is achieved by sampling the xmit signal and making
appropriate corrections via the computer.

The xmit signal is sampled at the output to the antenna and needs to be
appropriately attenuated in the order of 40dB.

As the KAT500 already is sampling the RF for various functions I would like
to tap off the RF signal to use for this feature. I see there are test
points in the KAT500 marked VFWD and VREFL but unfortunately they are DC
voltages and I just need RF.

So, the question is, is there a schematic diagram available for the KAT500
or has anyone been brave enough to jump is and tap of some RF for this or a
similar project?

I notice there is a capped off hole on the back plate which would make an
ideal place to fit a connector to output the signal.

Peter, VK3IJ




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From k2mk at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 20:34:15 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:34:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Request
In-Reply-To: <54C03FEE.14828.E4755C8@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C03FEE.14828.E4755C8@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <1421890455010-7597354.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Gary,

You'll want to use the center frequency shift feature. Hold the Center
button on the P3 to activate the function and turn the P3 knob until the DX
station (VFO A) is wherever you want it to be. It works in Fixed Tune mode
or Tracking mode. 

73,
Mike K2MK



Gary Smith-2 wrote
> Since I often use the P3 for chasing DX in a pileup, I don't need the 
> empty space to the left 1/2 of the screen, or rarely, the right 1/2 
> of the screen when I have the Dx Tx freq in the center.
> 
> I'd like to see the P3 allow you to pin the DX Tx frequency to the 
> far side and use the entire screen to pick & choose where I want to 
> transmit in split. As it is, when chasing DX pileups, I have to waste 
> 1/2 of the screen which means everything I want to look at has to be 
> compressed in 1/2 the space. 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J





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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 20:49:05 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 hi SWR between radio and KPA500 on 160M only
Message-ID: <000e01d035e5$9b24d690$d16e83b0$@AOL.COM>

It seems I developed a high SWR between the K3 and the KPA500 only on 160M.

 

I did test the output of the K3 on 160M into a dummy load and it's 1:1.

 

I then hooked the K3 back to the KPA 500 and repeated the hi SWR.

 

I didn't test all the band but I did test 80 and 40 and they are work fine
in STBY and OPER (KPA500) but on 160M I get a high SWR with both STBY and
OPER on the K3.

 

I testing was done into dummy load to confirm the problem.

 

Any help where to start in the KPA 500 would be great.

 

Thanks

 

73 Bill

 

 

 

Please use W4RM at AOL.COM <mailto:W4RM at AOL.COM>  as my primary account

 


From ormandj at corenode.com  Wed Jan 21 22:03:04 2015
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:03:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately
In-Reply-To: <54C01316.2050302@gmail.com>
References: <54C01316.2050302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45rx+MjJmZ03RS3wpvtzsu4GhZ+1EMd1Kmp-SF0Y+LyqDQ@mail.gmail.com>

The method you just described has been exactly my experience. Using the PX3
I tune to the left peak, and it decodes well every time. Tuning to the
center does not work. CWT has never worked well for me.

David

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being able
> to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse using the
> CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the VFO so that
> the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal peaks. If you
> put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does not decode. I
> have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to decode better than
> the right.
>
> BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector
> seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes a
> long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have been
> altered.
>
> --
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
>
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 22:18:47 2015
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:18:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft gear for sale - apology
Message-ID: <E3441137-3DB3-4126-ABB6-43AA9330CA59@gmail.com>

Folks, I?m getting swamped with replies. I must apologize for my lack of knowledge about these items. I?ve never done an estate thing before. I?m going to go over and get more info and I?ll repost everything with prices. One thing for sure: the ham kept all his gear in top shape. 
 So hang loose, guys! Hi hi.
73,
Carl

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com









From edouard at lafargue.name  Wed Jan 21 22:31:49 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:31:49 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45rx+MjJmZ03RS3wpvtzsu4GhZ+1EMd1Kmp-SF0Y+LyqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C01316.2050302@gmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45rx+MjJmZ03RS3wpvtzsu4GhZ+1EMd1Kmp-SF0Y+LyqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsUB8zqhdmNMojyk57wP4iJ9VZA-O6FeXU7hfQ705MYmhQ@mail.gmail.com>

  My 2 cents on CWT tuning: I find it usually takes two times to get it to
decode reliably: first time gets close, then pressing CWT a second time a
second later gets it right. Works best if no other PSK signal is around,
otherwise it gets confused...

Ed

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:03 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:

> The method you just described has been exactly my experience. Using the PX3
> I tune to the left peak, and it decodes well every time. Tuning to the
> center does not work. CWT has never worked well for me.
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is being able
> > to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31 signal verse using the
> > CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or 3KHz and tune the VFO so that
> > the PX3's cursor's bold line is on one of the 2 PSK signal peaks. If you
> > put the bold line in the center of the signal then it does not decode. I
> > have also noticed that tuning to the left peak seems to decode better
> than
> > the right.
> >
> > BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo reflector
> > seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have noticed it takes
> a
> > long time to post and when it does I have noticed my messages have been
> > altered.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Gary Mitchelson
> > NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> > NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> > www.mitchelson.org
> >
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 21 22:34:41 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 03:34:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Filter for SSTV
Message-ID: <760880961.2901443.1421897681538.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10085.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Just a heads up for guys who run Analog SSTV
Inrad has a ?#727 -- 1500 Hz 8215 kHz SSB 8-pole crystal filter
It really helps with those stations who like to snuggle in close to the SSTV frequencies.

?

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 22 07:30:31 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:30:31 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : 8 ERR messages
Message-ID: <54C0ED67.80208@xs4all.nl>

Hi all,

Starting this week, my K3 #1255 (year 2008) started showing ERR messages 
when I swithed it on.  First ERR message was ERR BP1.
After pressing any button of the K3 the following messages appeared:
ERR LPF, IO3, IF1, XV3, AT3, PA1 and BP3.

After cycling through these messages, they are gone and everthing works 
as normal.
Switching the K3 off and on again immediately after that, the same thing 
happens again.

Switching the K3 off and on after 5 mins of operation, everything is 
normal, no messages at all.

Could  this be caused by an empty back-up battery? Wonder if other 
owners had a simular problem.

73
Arie PA3A



From KK at ccf.net  Thu Jan 22 07:36:44 2015
From: KK at ccf.net (Klaus Koppendorfer)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:36:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : 8 ERR messages
In-Reply-To: <54C0ED67.80208@xs4all.nl>
References: <54C0ED67.80208@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <b06ee19ec8764ecb94a562667e75b67e@EX2013.ccf.net>

This ist he connection between frontpanel and motherboard
Earlier k3 has no goldcontacts
Just remove scews around  frontpanel  pull off frontpanel
And clean contacts  maybee with contactspray
This will help for some time (month or years)

You can also get replacement connectors from elecraft
see
http://wb5bkl.blogspot.co.at/2012/07/elecraft-k3-p30-and-p35-replacement.html


73
Oe6kyg
Klaus


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Von: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Im Auftrag von Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. J?nner 2015 13:31
An: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Betreff: [Elecraft] K3 : 8 ERR messages

Hi all,

Starting this week, my K3 #1255 (year 2008) started showing ERR messages when I swithed it on.  First ERR message was ERR BP1.
After pressing any button of the K3 the following messages appeared:
ERR LPF, IO3, IF1, XV3, AT3, PA1 and BP3.

After cycling through these messages, they are gone and everthing works as normal.
Switching the K3 off and on again immediately after that, the same thing happens again.

Switching the K3 off and on after 5 mins of operation, everything is normal, no messages at all.

Could  this be caused by an empty back-up battery? Wonder if other owners had a simular problem.

73
Arie PA3A


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From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 07:37:28 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 07:37:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 makes tuning in a PSK31 signal more accurately
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45rx+MjJmZ03RS3wpvtzsu4GhZ+1EMd1Kmp-SF0Y+LyqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C01316.2050302@gmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45rx+MjJmZ03RS3wpvtzsu4GhZ+1EMd1Kmp-SF0Y+LyqDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C0EF08.30807@gmail.com>

As Ed also noted the CWT sort of works, sometimes, but using the PX3 it 
is always right the first time when using the built in decoder.

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 1/21/2015 10:03 PM, David Orman wrote:
> The method you just described has been exactly my experience. Using 
> the PX3 I tune to the left peak, and it decodes well every time. 
> Tuning to the center does not work. CWT has never worked well for me.
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com 
> <mailto:nc3z.gary at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Well one of the things I have found that the PX3 helps with is
>     being able to more accurately and quickly to tune in a PSK31
>     signal verse using the CWT Tuning Aid. I set the PX3 span to 2 or
>     3KHz and tune the VFO so that the PX3's cursor's bold line is on
>     one of the 2 PSK signal peaks. If you put the bold line in the
>     center of the signal then it does not decode. I have also noticed
>     that tuning to the left peak seems to decode better than the right.
>
>     BTW, I have started posting to this reflector as the KX3 Yahoo
>     reflector seems to have issues with messages being posted, I have
>     noticed it takes a long time to post and when it does I have
>     noticed my messages have been altered.
>
>     -- 
>
>     Gary Mitchelson
>     NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
>     NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>     www.mitchelson.org <http://www.mitchelson.org>
>
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From w4ax.mack at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 08:18:15 2015
From: w4ax.mack at gmail.com (mackmc)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:18:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini Configuration Help Please
Message-ID: <1421932695837-7597363.post@n2.nabble.com>

I recently purchased the K3/0 Mini and I still can't get it configured
correctly. I have it about 90% working. *Is there a DEFINITIVE guide that
shows how to configure the K3/0 with the RigTalk to work with a complete
K-Line (K3, P3, KPA 500, KTA 500) and CAT logging to a computer? *I have the
K3/0 working but can't seem to get the input and output comm ports of the
RigTalk to be in parallel or transparent to serial data. Also when using the
K3/0 the connection to the K3 will drop (hard wired local LAN) and the KPA
500 will switch to standby. Since the serial ports on the RigTalk are
configured properly it is not possible to bring the KPA 500 back online via
the remote tool (those packets are not being passed properly).Elecraft does
not seem to have good documentation all in one place on how to configure
this configuration with their equipment. All help is most appreciated.73,
Mack W4AX



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From k2mk at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 08:47:11 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:47:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 hi SWR between radio and KPA500 on 160M only
In-Reply-To: <000e01d035e5$9b24d690$d16e83b0$@AOL.COM>
References: <000e01d035e5$9b24d690$d16e83b0$@AOL.COM>
Message-ID: <1421934431966-7597364.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Bill,

Is it possible that the K3 built-in antenna tuner is in the active position
on 160 meters only. This could account for the problem and might still show
a 1:1 SWR into a dummy load.

73,
Mike K2MK


Elecraft mailing list wrote
> It seems I developed a high SWR between the K3 and the KPA500 only on
> 160M.
> 
> I did test the output of the K3 on 160M into a dummy load and it's 1:1.
> 
> I then hooked the K3 back to the KPA 500 and repeated the hi SWR.
> 
> I didn't test all the band but I did test 80 and 40 and they are work fine
> in STBY and OPER (KPA500) but on 160M I get a high SWR with both STBY and
> OPER on the K3.
> 
> I testing was done into dummy load to confirm the problem.
> 
> Any help where to start in the KPA 500 would be great.
> 
> Thanks
> 73 Bill





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From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Thu Jan 22 08:55:25 2015
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:55:25 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2701.1421930226.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2701.1421930226.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C1014D.14207.1235546@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>

> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
> 
> The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
> 
> Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides
> only announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful*
> news) and allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I
> don't have time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Jeff n1kdo

Indeed, more like n:s ratio these days.

[Elecraft Announce] would work for me too.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 10:34:10 2015
From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:34:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <54C1014D.14207.1235546@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>
References: <mailman.2701.1421930226.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<54C1014D.14207.1235546@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuWoS-aNOvRpEHpjoac-pCqc=SP6tr53Q+7qb2YDqeeZWvuEA@mail.gmail.com>

The more interesting signals are often down in the noise...



73,  Deni - F5VJC



On 22 January 2015 at 14:55, Dave B <g8kbvdave at googlemail.com> wrote:

> > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
> >
> > The S/N ratio of this list has descended below 1.0  -- way below.
> >
> > Eric: Could we please have an "elecraft-announce" list, that provides
> > only announcements from Elecraft (products & firmware & other *useful*
> > news) and allows no other posters?  That would be extremely useful.  I
> > don't have time to dig through the flames to find that 1% nugget.
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration.
> >
> > Jeff n1kdo
>
> Indeed, more like n:s ratio these days.
>
> [Elecraft Announce] would work for me too.
>
> 73.
>
> Dave G0WBX.
>
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From aa4v at bellsouth.net  Thu Jan 22 11:08:42 2015
From: aa4v at bellsouth.net (Stephen Reichlyn)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
Message-ID: <mailman.31.1421942973.16637.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty 
transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
never worked. Any hints?

73,
Steve AA4V


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 22 11:11:01 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:11:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] s/n ratio of this list
In-Reply-To: <CABuWoS-aNOvRpEHpjoac-pCqc=SP6tr53Q+7qb2YDqeeZWvuEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2701.1421930226.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>	<54C1014D.14207.1235546@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com>
	<CABuWoS-aNOvRpEHpjoac-pCqc=SP6tr53Q+7qb2YDqeeZWvuEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C12115.7090903@xs4all.nl>

No need for another list.

Sort on names or subject works just fine.

73
Arie PA3A


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 22 11:21:06 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:21:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <20150122160942.5E063149AB58@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150122160942.5E063149AB58@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C12372.4090000@xs4all.nl>

Did you send didit  dahdah  or diditdahdah?
The second should work.

73
Arie PA3A


Stephen Reichlyn schreef op 22-1-2015 om 17:08:
> I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty 
> transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
> never worked. Any hints?
>
> 73,
> Steve AA4V
>
> __


From droese at necg.de  Thu Jan 22 11:22:14 2015
From: droese at necg.de (droese at necg.de)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:22:14 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <20150122160949.59B13149AE11@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150122160949.59B13149AE11@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>

 
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e.    ..--   with no pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

> Stephen Reichlyn <aa4v at bellsouth.net> hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 geschrieben:
>
>
> I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
> transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
> never worked. Any hints?
>
> 73,
> Steve AA4V
>
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From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 11:44:10 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:44:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
Message-ID: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com>

I wanted a desk mic to go along with my KX3 station. Wanted something 
more portable than the Heil boom and mic I use on my other radio. I have 
experimented with dynamic mics on the KX3 and didn't get the results I 
liked but did get very nice results with using 4 CUI electret condenser 
mic elements in parallel. I used the CUI CMA-4544PF-W from Digikey and 
used a small project circuit board to physically arrange them in a 2 x 2 
config. Then I trimmed up the board.

For the mic body I found a unused Shure 522 on ebay (some company had 
them for a conference table system and had a great price). The 522 has 
an adjustable neck height and a PTT (with lock). I gutted the body and 
fitted the new electret element assembly as well as used a 3' TRRS patch 
cable that I cut 1 end off for the mic cable, it also had 90 deg ends.

I am pleased with the physical results as well as very good audio 
reports I am receiving from the regulars that know my signal, still not 
to the level of my FTDX5000MP but getting better with each tweak and DSP 
update (using 1.32 which has made a noticeable improvement). I am using 
a healthy level of compression and mic gain that shows a solid 5 bars.

-- 

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org


From knowkode at verizon.net  Thu Jan 22 11:47:17 2015
From: knowkode at verizon.net (Jim Hoge)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>
References: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>
Message-ID: <759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I have found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is finicky at contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads the prosign much more consistently.
73,Jim W5QM 

     On Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:36 AM, "droese at necg.de" <droese at necg.de> wrote:
   

  
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e.? ? ..--? with no pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

> Stephen Reichlyn <aa4v at bellsouth.net> hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 geschrieben:
>
>
> I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
> transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
> never worked. Any hints?
>
> 73,
> Steve AA4V
>
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Thu Jan 22 11:57:59 2015
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:57:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <20150122160945.BA24A149AD54@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150122160945.BA24A149AD54@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <411774C8-69E3-4004-8075-A1F35D9FB09C@coastside.net>

I've programmed one of the CW memories to include the 'pipe' character at the end: DE K0DTJ |. It isn't sent when on CW and it stops the RTTY tail immediately. For me sending ..-- as a single character is unreliable at best. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Jan 22 12:09:54 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:09:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>
	<759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF26AAA6-65D0-4E81-BC26-4943BA60CA00@elecraft.com>

IM can also be put into a CW memory with a vertical bar and used with RTTY.  See the K3/KX3 help on the CW memory editor.  May not apply to all cases, but you might have a memory that says something like DE your call |

73 de Dick, K6KR



> On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:47, Jim Hoge <knowkode at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I have found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is finicky at contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads the prosign much more consistently.
> 73,Jim W5QM 
> 
>     On Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:36 AM, "droese at necg.de" <droese at necg.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e.    ..--  with no pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
> 
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
> 
> 
> 
>> Stephen Reichlyn <aa4v at bellsouth.net> hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 geschrieben:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty
>> transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has
>> never worked. Any hints?
>> 
>> 73,
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From jim at n7us.net  Thu Jan 22 12:28:23 2015
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:28:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>
	<759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023301d03668$d35b9e80$7a12db80$@net>

I think being able to send RTTY with a paddle is very cool, but I don?t think I'm the only RTTY contester who is frustrated when it's done in a contest.  A contest program such as N1MM+ is free and works so well, and you won?t break the stride of the station you're calling.

Using a paddle to send RTTY is a novelty or maybe appropriate if it's the only way to work a needed DXpedition, but my personal wish is that it wouldn't be used in RTTY contests.

73, Jim N7US



-----Original Message-----

The prosign works but it seems to be very sensitive to proper cw timing. I have found a workaround to this is to slow down the keyer speed. It is finicky at contest speeds but if I drop down to 20-23 wpm, I find it reads the prosign much more consistently.
73,Jim W5QM 

     On Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:36 AM, "droese at necg.de" <droese at necg.de> wrote:
   

  
Works perfectly well! Just give it as one single sign, i.e.    ..--  with no pauses in-between. It's all about timing ...
 
73, Olli - DH8BQA
 
 

> Stephen Reichlyn <aa4v at bellsouth.net> hat am 22. Januar 2015 um 17:08 geschrieben:
>
>
> I'd love to know the secret of defeating the long tail after a rtty 
> transmission. Ive been told to send the prosign IM but it has never 
> worked. Any hints?
>
> 73,
> Steve AA4V



From Himself at mail.com  Thu Jan 22 13:02:15 2015
From: Himself at mail.com (Himself   --.-  .-.  --..)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:02:15 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale
Message-ID: <trinity-f083107f-947d-4f8b-b451-a7f3380ce8fe-1421949735217@3capp-mailcom-lxa13>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 22 13:06:00 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:06:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY tail
In-Reply-To: <023301d03668$d35b9e80$7a12db80$@net>
References: <434346818.70144.1421943734259.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbaltgw09.schlund.de>	<759637234.1189902.1421945237618.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<023301d03668$d35b9e80$7a12db80$@net>
Message-ID: <54C13C08.3060102@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/22/2015 9:28 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
> I think being able to send RTTY with a paddle is very cool, but I don?t think I'm the only RTTY contester who is frustrated when it's done in a contest.  A contest program such as N1MM+ is free and works so well, and you won?t break the stride of the station you're calling.

YES! You'll also need MMTTY, which integrates nicely with it.

73, Jim K9YC

From k1nd at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 14:15:23 2015
From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-2.7K Filter available
Message-ID: <54C14C4B.4080505@comcast.net>

Maybe someone could use this filter for their K3 ?
Like New ~ found in my spares from K3 assembles 3  years ago
Have changed to the KX3 and enjoying CW = WAS-QRP done
Please mail me off the list ~ ok on QRZ or below ~
Cheers, Jan   ---- K1ND  @ comcast DOT net ----

From k6jw at cox.net  Thu Jan 22 14:40:17 2015
From: k6jw at cox.net (Jeffrey Wolf)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:40:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K2-100 and KAT100-1
Message-ID: <54C15221.9000006@cox.net>

K2-100 (SN 3429) and KAT100-1. Will sell together as a package or 
separately. E-mail k6jw at arrl.net for full information including photo.
--Jeff, K6JW

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan 22 14:47:52 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
Message-ID: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>

Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.

They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
distribution box for the 12V equipment.

 

Questions:

-          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
if something happened to the battery (ies).

-          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
batteries?

-          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
equipment, batteries and the operators?

 

Tnx

N2TK, Tony


From lists at subich.com  Thu Jan 22 15:21:15 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <54C15BBB.3030806@subich.com>


Tony,

I'd start by building one of these "powergate" modules for each battery
and connect the Station Equipment terminals in parallel:
<www.nfarl.org/kits/powerGate/Power_Gate_Assembly_Instructions_v2.pdf>

Alternatively, you can use the design approach with appropriately sized
individual Schottkey diodes mounted to heat sinks for each battery or
power supply.  In essence you want the low Vf drop diodes to isolate
the batteries and power supplies from each other in case of a failure
of any one device.

One could build more complex circuits using relays or power FETs to
disconnect the batteries when mains power is available but the diode OR
circuit with the mains power supply set to 14.8V provides full supply
power while "on mains" and suffers minimum  (~0.4V) voltage drop in
battery voltage in "back-up" mode.  If one is anal about having exactly
13.8 V for the rig, one can even add a boost/buck regulator for each
rig (or group of rigs in the case of the VHF boxes).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV
        Any opinions express here are my own and are not representative
        of Elecraft, any other amateur manufacturer, or organization.


On 2015-01-22 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
> emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
> run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
> charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>
>
> Questions:
>
> -          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
> batteries?
>
> -          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 22 16:16:13 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:16:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C15BBB.3030806@subich.com>
References: <54C15BBB.3030806@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1395772951.1235551.1421961373885.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If I read the question correctly, the need is to provide a what if protected system of power delivery.? Well, if the system design can handle the load for a "period" of? time, say 8 hours. The simple and easy solution is to have several of the same battery sources on independent standby and just switch them in as needed.? No complex charging,protection, isolation systems required.? If one fails it will not affect the others.? The independent battery smart chargers at <$50.? Use knife switches and your are a go.? Thats what I have..? KISS. approach.? What say you???? ??
Mel, K6KBE

      From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
   

Tony,

I'd start by building one of these "powergate" modules for each battery
and connect the Station Equipment terminals in parallel:
<www.nfarl.org/kits/powerGate/Power_Gate_Assembly_Instructions_v2.pdf>

Alternatively, you can use the design approach with appropriately sized
individual Schottkey diodes mounted to heat sinks for each battery or
power supply.? In essence you want the low Vf drop diodes to isolate
the batteries and power supplies from each other in case of a failure
of any one device.

One could build more complex circuits using relays or power FETs to
disconnect the batteries when mains power is available but the diode OR
circuit with the mains power supply set to 14.8V provides full supply
power while "on mains" and suffers minimum? (~0.4V) voltage drop in
battery voltage in "back-up" mode.? If one is anal about having exactly
13.8 V for the rig, one can even add a boost/buck regulator for each
rig (or group of rigs in the case of the VHF boxes).

73,

? ? ... Joe, W4TV
? ? ? ? Any opinions express here are my own and are not representative
? ? ? ? of Elecraft, any other amateur manufacturer, or organization.


On 2015-01-22 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
> emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
> run multiple rigs,? K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
> charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>
>
> Questions:
>
> -? ? ? ? ? What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -? ? ? ? ? Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
> batteries?
>
> -? ? ? ? ? Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From ke4rg at arrl.net  Thu Jan 22 17:36:42 2015
From: ke4rg at arrl.net (ke4rg at arrl.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <003801d03693$e5b15180$b113f480$@arrl.net>

I use the Astron BB-30M for shack and RV.  This is the 30A version, but they
make larger.  Attach minimum 33.6 Amp 13.8 V supply, your SLA battery(ies),
and your load.  (33.6 Amps is max load plus charging current.)  The
controller will switch immediately to battery if the power supply DC goes
away.  During heavy loads the power supply and battery will combine for
greater output.  And of course the controller keeps battery charged.  If
your batteries are flooded lead acid this is NOT the solution.  Flooded lead
acid batteries require a three level charger.

I worked many years for firms that designed, manufactured, and installed
equipment requiring heavy battery backup.  We NEVER attempted to isolate the
batteries from each other.  We did always install new batteries of same
technology (FLA, AGM, Gel) and manufacture.  In fact, my house emergency
power is a Trace inverter powered by 12 80AH AGM batteries in
series/parallel (48volt).  They have been operating flawlessly for 8 years
now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK,
Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:48 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.

<snip>


From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 22 18:48:06 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <003801d03693$e5b15180$b113f480$@arrl.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<003801d03693$e5b15180$b113f480$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <54C18C36.6030205@sbcglobal.net>

Recently I purchased a DC-to-GO battery box, equipped with RIGrunner and 
Super PWRgate PG40S, for home use.
It allows for 8 PowerPole connections and up to 40A continuous current.
I also bought the 79Ah battery that fits nicely inside the battery box.

For me, this serves a number of functions.
First, it serves as a UPS to protect my equipment.
Second, as emergency power for the shack.
We don't have power outages very often, but we recently had a couple of 
protracted ones.
Further, it's a great portable power source for Field Day, etc.
The FD gang who I operate with are strictly QRP, so it would last forever.

I'm not sure that it would be a complete solution for your application, 
but it's an idea.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Thu Jan 22 19:07:13 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:07:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Couple of questions on the P3
Message-ID: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>

Recently added a P3 to my K3 station.....nice....yet questions:

1. Wonder why the spectrum display gets noisy when I tune VFO A. A few 
have said that is expected and suggested that one make sure the screws 
on the K3 and P3 case are tight. I'm assuming that when one tunes VFO A, 
the FFT in the DSP gets lots of extra data and the display is noisy as a 
result. Once I stop tuning the VFO A the spectrum display goes back to 
averaging as expected.
Hm?

2. I purchased the SVGA card and it came installed in the P3......have 
been successful is connecting my computer through the RS232 port on the 
P3 to run both the K3 and P3 utility programs. Also the big display and 
the P3's LCD are working for the most part. Ok there. Now, is it 
standard for the external large display to not allow markers in the 
waterfall area? When I use the P3 menu and turn waterfall markers on or 
off that works for the P3 LCD. However, there is not marker shown in the 
waterfall area of the big screen attached via the external display jack. 
Hm? I can live with that but is that right?

3.  Is anyone aware of an article on the web that goes into the "why" of 
how the cursors and makers were designed to do what they do? Perhaps 
things would be easier to follow then since there are a very large 
number of "tap this or hold that" combinations available. I realize that 
to tap or hold increases the number of actions that each switch/etc can 
do, thus cutting down on the knob count on the front panel.

thanks, Phil, w0xi, KS

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 22 19:20:56 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:20:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>

Tony,

There is no problem connecting batteries in parallel *if* (and only if) 
they are the same capacity, manufacturer and age.

If the batteries are not identical, isolate them with diodes so one does 
not draw current from another battery.  You will suffer the diode 
voltage drop in the output voltage.  The diodes must be capable of 
carrying the full maximum current load for all the rigs that will be 
operating at the same time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
> emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
> run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
> charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>   
>
> Questions:
>
> -          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
> batteries?
>
> -          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>   
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 22 19:25:10 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:25:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <485331429.3240558.1421972710242.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100119.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The first thing that comes to my mind is Line Loss
How far are they going to run the lines from the backup batteries to the radios?



      From: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:47 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
   
Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.

They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
run multiple rigs,? K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
distribution box for the 12V equipment.

 

Questions:

-? ? ? ? ? What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
if something happened to the battery (ies).

-? ? ? ? ? Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
batteries?

-? ? ? ? ? Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
equipment, batteries and the operators?

 

Tnx

N2TK, Tony

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From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com  Thu Jan 22 19:32:08 2015
From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:32:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] sudden change in drivers for Griffin iMic used for PSK &
	RTTY
Message-ID: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>

Somehow yesterday our sound card settings changed on their own.
We use the Griffin iMic for digital signals with our KX3.
It used to be identifiable by name in the Windows sound card settings
but today it has been replaced by number-jumbo choices and our settings have 
been altered, affecting our fldigi use.
I phoned Griffin but they had no suggestions.
I went to device drivers in Windows and asked for a driver update 
but it said we have the latest drivers.
Has anyone else experienced this?  Any tips?
I tried to adjust the levels but am not sure it is working correctly
either on send or receive.
Julie KT4JR



From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 22 19:40:14 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:40:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Couple of questions on the P3
In-Reply-To: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
References: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <54C1986E.4080301@foothill.net>

Phil:

1.  Are you in Tracking or Fixed Tune mode?  I run in Fixed Tune [end 
points of the display remain fixed and cursor moves as I tune], and 
there is no change as I tune.  My AVG setting is 6.  When I set Tracking 
mode, the spectrum display "bounces" just a little as I tune VFO A.

2.  I don't have the SVGA but markers in the WF is a subject that's come 
up before and I believe the behavior you see is correct.

3.  You are describing a book that I don't think KE7X has written yet 
but certainly should. :-)  I have found limited use for the A & B 
markers, and they're usually off.  When I'm NCS on our NTS Section net, 
I will set them for something like "down 3 and down 6."  Other than 
that, I really don't use them.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/22/2015 4:07 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
> Recently added a P3 to my K3 station.....nice....yet questions:
>
> 1. Wonder why the spectrum display gets noisy when I tune VFO A. A few
> have said that is expected and suggested that one make sure the screws
> on the K3 and P3 case are tight. I'm assuming that when one tunes VFO A,
> the FFT in the DSP gets lots of extra data and the display is noisy as a
> result. Once I stop tuning the VFO A the spectrum display goes back to
> averaging as expected.
> Hm?
>
> 2. I purchased the SVGA card and it came installed in the P3......have
> been successful is connecting my computer through the RS232 port on the
> P3 to run both the K3 and P3 utility programs. Also the big display and
> the P3's LCD are working for the most part. Ok there. Now, is it
> standard for the external large display to not allow markers in the
> waterfall area? When I use the P3 menu and turn waterfall markers on or
> off that works for the P3 LCD. However, there is not marker shown in the
> waterfall area of the big screen attached via the external display jack.
> Hm? I can live with that but is that right?
>
> 3.  Is anyone aware of an article on the web that goes into the "why" of
> how the cursors and makers were designed to do what they do? Perhaps
> things would be easier to follow then since there are a very large
> number of "tap this or hold that" combinations available. I realize that
> to tap or hold increases the number of actions that each switch/etc can
> do, thus cutting down on the knob count on the front panel.
>
> thanks, Phil, w0xi, KS
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 22 19:40:44 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:40:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] sudden change in drivers for Griffin iMic used for
 PSK &	RTTY
In-Reply-To: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
References: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
Message-ID: <291526382.3233897.1421973644975.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100186.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I would try removing and re-installing the driver.





      From: "jsdroyster at nc.rr.com" <jsdroyster at nc.rr.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:32 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] sudden change in drivers for Griffin iMic used for PSK & RTTY
   
Somehow yesterday our sound card settings changed on their own.
We use the Griffin iMic for digital signals with our KX3.
It used to be identifiable by name in the Windows sound card settings
but today it has been replaced by number-jumbo choices and our settings have 
been altered, affecting our fldigi use.
I phoned Griffin but they had no suggestions.
I went to device drivers in Windows and asked for a driver update 
but it said we have the latest drivers.
Has anyone else experienced this?? Any tips?
I tried to adjust the levels but am not sure it is working correctly
either on send or receive.
Julie KT4JR


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From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Jan 22 19:42:01 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:42:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] sudden change in drivers for Griffin iMic used for
 PSK & RTTY
In-Reply-To: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
References: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
Message-ID: <03FE9AD3-64BC-4F77-A829-F4CEFDC66B79@me.com>

Julie, I can?t speak for the Windows side of this(I?m a Mac), but in my recent experience in coming up to speed with digital for the KX3, I too acquired an iMic, but ended up using my older SignaLink sound card with a modified home brew cable (which works wonderfully for FLDigi). The iMic?s were hard to find. Apple has discontinued selling them. Amazon was in ?1 left? status. And Ebay was sparse.  

David A., KC0XT

> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:32 PM, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> Somehow yesterday our sound card settings changed on their own.
> We use the Griffin iMic for digital signals with our KX3.
> It used to be identifiable by name in the Windows sound card settings
> but today it has been replaced by number-jumbo choices and our settings have 
> been altered, affecting our fldigi use.
> I phoned Griffin but they had no suggestions.
> I went to device drivers in Windows and asked for a driver update 
> but it said we have the latest drivers.
> Has anyone else experienced this?  Any tips?
> I tried to adjust the levels but am not sure it is working correctly
> either on send or receive.
> Julie KT4JR
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 22 19:45:07 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:45:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C19993.4000202@foothill.net>

and if they were *not* manufactured in China.  Those vary so much, even 
if they have identical model numbers, paralleling without diodes is a 
recipe for failure.  Been there, done that.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/22/2015 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tony,
>
> There is no problem connecting batteries in parallel *if* (and only if)
> they are the same capacity, manufacturer and age.


From k2mk at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 20:01:32 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:01:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Couple of questions on the P3
In-Reply-To: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
References: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <1421974892317-7597394.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Phil,

1. You shouldn't see noise generated when you tune the VFO. What bands in
particular? Do you have an older K3. There was a VFO noise mod that cleared
up tuning noise on the higher frequency bands like 10 and 6 meters.

2. You'll need the latest beta firmware for the P3 and SVGA card to see the
markers in the waterfall of the external monitor.

3. The cursors indicate the frequencies seen on the upper and lower K3
displays.
A green cursor shows you where VFO A is tuned.
A magenta cursor shows you where VFO B is tuned.
A red cursor shows you where you transmitting if you are in split or if XIT
is activated.
The width of the cursors change if you change bandwidth on the K3. The VFO B
cursor can be turned off.

With regard to markers, my PERSONAL OPINION is that markers are not very
useful for my style of operating. Too much effort for too little result. If
I see a station of interest I just spin the VFO to land on top of it.
Mission accomplished with very little effort. 

I have used markers, however, as a place holder when I see a station that I
want to call but I'm not quite ready to jump there quite yet. When I am
ready I still tend to just spin the VFO dial rather than push the knob.
Everybody develops their own techniques for using their P3. You will too
after you've played with it for a few weeks.

73,
Mike K2MK


Phil Anderson wrote
> Recently added a P3 to my K3 station.....nice....yet questions:
> 
> 1. Wonder why the spectrum display gets noisy when I tune VFO A. A few 
> have said that is expected and suggested that one make sure the screws 
> on the K3 and P3 case are tight. I'm assuming that when one tunes VFO A, 
> the FFT in the DSP gets lots of extra data and the display is noisy as a 
> result. Once I stop tuning the VFO A the spectrum display goes back to 
> averaging as expected.
> Hm?
> 
> 2. I purchased the SVGA card and it came installed in the P3......have 
> been successful is connecting my computer through the RS232 port on the 
> P3 to run both the K3 and P3 utility programs. Also the big display and 
> the P3's LCD are working for the most part. Ok there. Now, is it 
> standard for the external large display to not allow markers in the 
> waterfall area? When I use the P3 menu and turn waterfall markers on or 
> off that works for the P3 LCD. However, there is not marker shown in the 
> waterfall area of the big screen attached via the external display jack. 
> Hm? I can live with that but is that right?
> 
> 3.  Is anyone aware of an article on the web that goes into the "why" of 
> how the cursors and makers were designed to do what they do? Perhaps 
> things would be easier to follow then since there are a very large 
> number of "tap this or hold that" combinations available. I realize that 
> to tap or hold increases the number of actions that each switch/etc can 
> do, thus cutting down on the knob count on the front panel.
> 
> thanks, Phil, w0xi, KS





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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 22 20:05:15 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:05:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] sudden change in drivers for Griffin iMic used for
 PSK & RTTY
In-Reply-To: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
References: <20150123003208.Q1CRC.104102.root@cdptpa-web17>
Message-ID: <54C19E4B.3030803@foothill.net>

In the software universe, that's called a "feature," Julie. :-)  I've 
experienced it also, not with your setup, but multiple times with mine. 
  If the change occurred because of a Windoze update [which sometimes 
happen without my permission], Microsoft is probably going to tell you 
the drivers are current because as far as it is concerned they are.  You 
might try downloading the mfr's drivers and re-installing them.  That's 
worked for me a couple of times.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/22/2015 4:32 PM, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:
> Somehow yesterday our sound card settings changed on their own.
> We use the Griffin iMic for digital signals with our KX3.
> It used to be identifiable by name in the Windows sound card settings
> but today it has been replaced by number-jumbo choices and our settings have
> been altered, affecting our fldigi use.
> I phoned Griffin but they had no suggestions.
> I went to device drivers in Windows and asked for a driver update
> but it said we have the latest drivers.
> Has anyone else experienced this?  Any tips?
> I tried to adjust the levels but am not sure it is working correctly
> either on send or receive.
> Julie KT4JR


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Jan 22 20:49:12 2015
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:49:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C19993.4000202@foothill.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
	<54C19993.4000202@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <54C1A898.6000009@kanafi.org>

On 1/22/2015 4:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> and if they were *not* manufactured in China.  Those vary so much, even
> if they have identical model numbers, paralleling without diodes is a
> recipe for failure.  Been there, done that.

Which brands are / are not manufactured in China?  I've been using
paralleled Trojan AGMs for many years with no problems.  Interstate is
making big pitches here.  I was always under the impression that there
were only 5 plants in the US making all the US brands.  Info?

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 22 21:06:06 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:06:06 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 222 MHz Transverter
In-Reply-To: <A90B6C2B40E548F6AE89E609E076A19C@linda65e2f0809>
References: <201501202114.t0KLETpN069141@huffman.acsalaska.net>
	<A90B6C2B40E548F6AE89E609E076A19C@linda65e2f0809>
Message-ID: <54C1AC8E.2010606@sbcglobal.net>

John, if there were more activity, it would justify the investment.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 1/20/2015 5:58 PM, John Santillo wrote:
> I do a lot of VHF contesting in June and September and find 222 a great band
> that propagates very nicely.  It's quieter than 2M during a contest allowing
> us to work weaker signals than we would be able to on 2M.  We have worked
> well into the mid-west using Tropo but unfortunately the activity isn't what
> it could be.
>
> I wish more stations would invest in 222.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> John
> N2HMM for
> W2LV FN21
>
>   


From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 22 21:27:43 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:27:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d036b4$2ba98ed0$82fcac70$@earthlink.net>

Don and Tony:
Diodes will get the job done but notice the heat sinks on them. They waste a
lot of energy as heat. I also read you have a single charger. I hear no
mention of fusing. Fusing is a good idea but must be done very carefully.
All of these issues are complicated by the placement of the diodes. 

There are specifically designed 'smart' systems out there to do exactly the
job of safely sharing and charging batteries similar to the systems Jim,
AD6CW has suggested. If you lack experience in this area I highly recommend
to you check them out. They offer smart systems that will safely shut things
down using FETs to share and control. The FETs have much, much lower losses
so in this case the ones with diodes and big beefy heat sinks are not your
friend. The also feature both over voltage and under voltage alarms. This
saved me when a power supply regulator shorted. 

73,
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:21 PM
To: N2TK, Tony; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

Tony,

There is no problem connecting batteries in parallel *if* (and only if) they
are the same capacity, manufacturer and age.

If the batteries are not identical, isolate them with diodes so one does not
draw current from another battery.  You will suffer the diode voltage drop
in the output voltage.  The diodes must be capable of carrying the full
maximum current load for all the rigs that will be operating at the same
time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
> emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they
can
> run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
> charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>   
>
> Questions:
>
> -          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the
batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
> batteries?
>
> -          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of
the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>   
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From kw1nd at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 21:37:44 2015
From: kw1nd at comcast.net (Mike)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C1A898.6000009@kanafi.org>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>	<54C19993.4000202@foothill.net>
	<54C1A898.6000009@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <54C1B3F8.3020702@comcast.net>

I spec'd Concorde AGM batteries for several years in NOAA climate stations. 
Yes, they're more expensive than their Chinese copies, but more reliable.  Plus, 
I figured if I'm spending US tax dollars, I'm going to pay US workers.

http://www.concordebattery.com/

On 01/22/2015 08:49 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> Which brands are / are not manufactured in China?

-- 
73,

Mike, KW1ND
Knoxville, TN

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan 22 22:15:59 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301d036ba$e9759ac0$bc60d040$@verizon.net>

Tnx Don for the advice. The batteries are all identical marine type
batteries.  But still like the idea of isolating them.
They will have solar and a generator too.  
73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:21 PM
To: N2TK, Tony; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

Tony,

There is no problem connecting batteries in parallel *if* (and only if) they
are the same capacity, manufacturer and age.

If the batteries are not identical, isolate them with diodes so one does not
draw current from another battery.  You will suffer the diode voltage drop
in the output voltage.  The diodes must be capable of carrying the full
maximum current load for all the rigs that will be operating at the same
time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
> emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they
can
> run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
> charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>   
>
> Questions:
>
> -          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the
batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
> batteries?
>
> -          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of
the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>   
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan 22 22:18:23 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:18:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <485331429.3240558.1421972710242.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100119.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<485331429.3240558.1421972710242.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100119.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401d036bb$3f08f400$bd1adc00$@verizon.net>

Harry,

Good question. I will find out.

Thanks,

N2TK, Tony

 

From: Harry Yingst [mailto:hlyingst at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:25 PM
To: N2TK, Tony; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

 

The first thing that comes to my mind is Line Loss

 

How far are they going to run the lines from the backup batteries to the
radios?

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs


Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up an
emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.

They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so they can
run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have a
charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a
distribution box for the 12V equipment.



Questions:

-          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the batteries
if something happened to the battery (ies).

-          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other
batteries?

-          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of the
equipment, batteries and the operators?



Tnx

N2TK, Tony

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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jan 22 22:23:28 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <000601d036b4$2ba98ed0$82fcac70$@earthlink.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com>
	<000601d036b4$2ba98ed0$82fcac70$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003301d036bb$f4dec9d0$de9c5d70$@verizon.net>

Fred,
Where can I find the info on the system AD6CW has suggested?
Tnx
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Townsend [mailto:fptownsend at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28 PM
To: don at w3fpr.com; 'N2TK, Tony'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

Don and Tony:
Diodes will get the job done but notice the heat sinks on them. They waste a
lot of energy as heat. I also read you have a single charger. I hear no
mention of fusing. Fusing is a good idea but must be done very carefully.
All of these issues are complicated by the placement of the diodes. 

There are specifically designed 'smart' systems out there to do exactly the
job of safely sharing and charging batteries similar to the systems Jim,
AD6CW has suggested. If you lack experience in this area I highly recommend
to you check them out. They offer smart systems that will safely shut things
down using FETs to share and control. The FETs have much, much lower losses
so in this case the ones with diodes and big beefy heat sinks are not your
friend. The also feature both over voltage and under voltage alarms. This
saved me when a power supply regulator shorted. 

73,
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:21 PM
To: N2TK, Tony; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs

Tony,

There is no problem connecting batteries in parallel *if* (and only if) they
are the same capacity, manufacturer and age.

If the batteries are not identical, isolate them with diodes so one does not
draw current from another battery.  You will suffer the diode voltage drop
in the output voltage.  The diodes must be capable of carrying the full
maximum current load for all the rigs that will be operating at the same
time.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 2:47 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Looking for some advice. Trying to help out a friend who is setting up 
> an emergency communications system for the Hams in their condo group.
>
> They have several marine batteries they want to tie in parallel so 
> they
can
> run multiple rigs,  K3's plus UHF/VHF for extended periods. They have 
> a charger for the batteries. They use the 12V off the batteries to a 
> distribution box for the 12V equipment.
>
>   
>
> Questions:
>
> -          What is the best way to isolate the equipment from the
batteries
> if something happened to the battery (ies).
>
> -          Is there a way to isolate the batteries from each other if
> something happened to one battery so it didn't draw down the other 
> batteries?
>
> -          Am I missing anything else that should be done for safety of
the
> equipment, batteries and the operators?
>
>   
>
> Tnx
>
> N2TK, Tony
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 22 22:29:58 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 03:29:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] NEW K3
Message-ID: <499058400.3264741.1421983798452.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100189.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

?Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong??? 73s Bob W5RG

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 22 22:47:26 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:47:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Couple of questions on the P3
In-Reply-To: <1421974892317-7597394.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
	<1421974892317-7597394.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54C1C44E.3020103@foothill.net>

Not so sure about #1 Mike, I don't think he was talking about the "VFO 
Noise" issue from some time back.  In tracking mode, my display "jumps" 
... wouldn't call it "noise on the trace" it just jumps up a bit ... 
when I tune.  Makes sense.  In Fixed mode, the FFT computes the same set 
of samples over and over, and when I tune the VFO, all that moves is the 
VFO cursor.  In Tracking, it has to reset everything and load a new 
range of samples every time I change the VFO.  If he's in Tracking mode, 
that's what I see too.  If he's in Fixed mode, mine doesn't do that.

FWIW:  Old Timey panadaptors were all tracking mode, "you" were in the 
center and the band moved past you as you tuned.  They were all analog 
too. :-)  I strongly prefer Fixed mode, I think of the band as 
stationary, which it really is, and I'm moving my passband across it.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/22/2015 5:01 PM, Mike K2MK wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> 1. You shouldn't see noise generated when you tune the VFO. What bands in
> particular? Do you have an older K3. There was a VFO noise mod that cleared
> up tuning noise on the higher frequency bands like 10 and 6 meters.
>
> 2. You'll need the latest beta firmware for the P3 and SVGA card to see the
> markers in the waterfall of the external monitor.
>
> 3. The cursors indicate the frequencies seen on the upper and lower K3
> displays.
> A green cursor shows you where VFO A is tuned.
> A magenta cursor shows you where VFO B is tuned.
> A red cursor shows you where you transmitting if you are in split or if XIT
> is activated.
> The width of the cursors change if you change bandwidth on the K3. The VFO B
> cursor can be turned off.
>
> With regard to markers, my PERSONAL OPINION is that markers are not very
> useful for my style of operating. Too much effort for too little result. If
> I see a station of interest I just spin the VFO to land on top of it.
> Mission accomplished with very little effort.
>
> I have used markers, however, as a place holder when I see a station that I
> want to call but I'm not quite ready to jump there quite yet. When I am
> ready I still tend to just spin the VFO dial rather than push the knob.
> Everybody develops their own techniques for using their P3. You will too
> after you've played with it for a few weeks.
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> Phil Anderson wrote
>> Recently added a P3 to my K3 station.....nice....yet questions:
>>
>> 1. Wonder why the spectrum display gets noisy when I tune VFO A. A few
>> have said that is expected and suggested that one make sure the screws
>> on the K3 and P3 case are tight. I'm assuming that when one tunes VFO A,
>> the FFT in the DSP gets lots of extra data and the display is noisy as a
>> result. Once I stop tuning the VFO A the spectrum display goes back to
>> averaging as expected.
>> Hm?
>>
>> 2. I purchased the SVGA card and it came installed in the P3......have
>> been successful is connecting my computer through the RS232 port on the
>> P3 to run both the K3 and P3 utility programs. Also the big display and
>> the P3's LCD are working for the most part. Ok there. Now, is it
>> standard for the external large display to not allow markers in the
>> waterfall area? When I use the P3 menu and turn waterfall markers on or
>> off that works for the P3 LCD. However, there is not marker shown in the
>> waterfall area of the big screen attached via the external display jack.
>> Hm? I can live with that but is that right?
>>
>> 3.  Is anyone aware of an article on the web that goes into the "why" of
>> how the cursors and makers were designed to do what they do? Perhaps
>> things would be easier to follow then since there are a very large
>> number of "tap this or hold that" combinations available. I realize that
>> to tap or hold increases the number of actions that each switch/etc can
>> do, thus cutting down on the knob count on the front panel.
>>
>> thanks, Phil, w0xi, KS


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Jan 22 22:56:50 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:56:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NEW K3
In-Reply-To: <499058400.3264741.1421983798452.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100189.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <499058400.3264741.1421983798452.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100189.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C1C682.6020706@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
>   Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?   73s Bob W5RG
>


From averill at mchsi.com  Thu Jan 22 22:59:02 2015
From: averill at mchsi.com (George Averill)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:59:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphone Jack Problem with K1
Message-ID: <F14FA0CD5D2D4D67A36A28E63C7302F5@EllenPC>

All,
I just discovered that the headphone jack on my K1 is cracked and needs replacing.  I understand that this is a weak point in the K1.  Can anyone advise me on the best way to remove the old jack?  Has Elecraft come up with a stronger replacement jack?  I think the part number is E620028.

72/23  
George K4EOR

From nf4l at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 23:26:42 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:26:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X
Message-ID: <ABCA6EC8-FB0E-4DC7-815E-6120568985F7@comcast.net>

For those of you with a Mac, there is now a working version of WSJT-X, thanks to John G4KLA and some unknown behind-the-scenes elves. Their dedication and determination to resolve the problems is....... well..........Elecraft like!
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4192709/wsjtx-1.4.0-rc3-Darwin-r4894.dmg <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4192709/wsjtx-1.4.0-rc3-Darwin-r4894.dmg>

73, Mike NF4L

From w6sfm at w6sfm.com  Thu Jan 22 23:26:54 2015
From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM@W6SFM.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:26:54 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 For Sale, Excellent condition
Message-ID: <54C1CD8E.3020502@w6sfm.com>

Hi Guys,

I have for sale an Elecraft K1 4 band rig in Excellent condition.  This 
rig has very low hours on it and a higher SN in the 2700 range.  The rig 
comes with the hard to find 4 band (40/30/20/15) module and the ATU 
(Antenna Tuner) installed.  I will also throw in the constructed & 
working 17/80 meter module as well!  I have a small plug in power 
adapter to run the rig as a home station, and a double fused Anderson 
connector mobile adapter cable. A printed version of the build manual is 
also included.

Construction of the rig was done by a very meticulous person and all of 
the coils and transformers were wound by a true professional.  The rig 
TX and RX including its filters (200Hz-850 Hz) have all been recently 
tested on-air. TX bandpass has been tested at a +/- 10 Hz tone pitch 
center.  This rig has been carefully stored in a protective box in a 
non-smoking, pet free environment
.
Since I've only had a few people email me to inquire about a better 
price I'll say that I'm asking $575.00 for the rig plus shipping. But I 
am open to fair and reasonable offers.  Shipping will be at actual cost 
via UPS or USPS (must be insured). If you are interested in purchasing 
the rig, would like to make an offer, or you would like more information 
and pictures, please feel free to email me off the reflector.  Thanks,

W6SFM
w6sfm @w6sfm.com



From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Jan 22 23:32:48 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:32:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Couple of questions on the P3
In-Reply-To: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
References: <54C190B1.6090403@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <54C1CEF0.4060903@sonic.net>

In tracking mode, the averaging is reset every time the VFO A is moved.  
Otherwise the spectrum would "smear" as you tune the VFO. So when 
averaging is on, the noise increases momentarily whenever you tune.  It 
doesn't happen in fixed-tune mode, only in tracking mode.

Waterfall markers will be in a firmware beta release shortly.

Alan N1AL



On 01/22/2015 04:07 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
> Recently added a P3 to my K3 station.....nice....yet questions:
>
> 1. Wonder why the spectrum display gets noisy when I tune VFO A. A few 
> have said that is expected and suggested that one make sure the screws 
> on the K3 and P3 case are tight. I'm assuming that when one tunes VFO 
> A, the FFT in the DSP gets lots of extra data and the display is noisy 
> as a result. Once I stop tuning the VFO A the spectrum display goes 
> back to averaging as expected.
> Hm?
>
> 2. I purchased the SVGA card and it came installed in the P3......have 
> been successful is connecting my computer through the RS232 port on 
> the P3 to run both the K3 and P3 utility programs. Also the big 
> display and the P3's LCD are working for the most part. Ok there. Now, 
> is it standard for the external large display to not allow markers in 
> the waterfall area? When I use the P3 menu and turn waterfall markers 
> on or off that works for the P3 LCD. However, there is not marker 
> shown in the waterfall area of the big screen attached via the 
> external display jack. Hm? I can live with that but is that right?
>
> 3.  Is anyone aware of an article on the web that goes into the "why" 
> of how the cursors and makers were designed to do what they do? 
> Perhaps things would be easier to follow then since there are a very 
> large number of "tap this or hold that" combinations available. I 
> realize that to tap or hold increases the number of actions that each 
> switch/etc can do, thus cutting down on the knob count on the front 
> panel.
>
> thanks, Phil, w0xi, KS
>
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From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Jan 22 23:38:26 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:38:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Battery back-up system for multiple rigs
In-Reply-To: <54C1B3F8.3020702@comcast.net>
References: <010c01d0367c$524606f0$f6d214d0$@verizon.net>
	<54C193E8.5000104@embarqmail.com> <54C19993.4000202@foothill.net>
	<54C1A898.6000009@kanafi.org> <54C1B3F8.3020702@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7283851B-B8C7-45C1-A670-C94C27C0A02A@me.com>

Just to put in my two centavos - I used three of the Concorde SunXtender 108ah batteriesin parallel  in my shack running my K3 station and accessories (via a 72-watt solar panel) for almost nine years. Been told that's a pretty good life expectancy for them.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Jan 22, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Mike <kw1nd at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I spec'd Concorde AGM batteries for several years in NOAA climate stations. Yes, they're more expensive than their Chinese copies, but more reliable.  Plus, I figured if I'm spending US tax dollars, I'm going to pay US workers.
> 
> http://www.concordebattery.com/
> 
>> On 01/22/2015 08:49 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>> Which brands are / are not manufactured in China?
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> 
> Mike, KW1ND
> Knoxville, TN
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Thu Jan 22 23:45:40 2015
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <ABCA6EC8-FB0E-4DC7-815E-6120568985F7@comcast.net>
References: <ABCA6EC8-FB0E-4DC7-815E-6120568985F7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7C208406-70B8-49B8-8334-36793FC16A6F@nobis.net>

Mike,

Thank you. Also thanks to G4KLA and the ?elves?.

Are there any special instructions associated with this? I am already using 1.4.0-rc1.

Bob  -  N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net




> On Jan 22, 2015, at 21:26, Mike Reublin NF4L <nf4l at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> For those of you with a Mac, there is now a working version of WSJT-X, thanks to John G4KLA and some unknown behind-the-scenes elves. Their dedication and determination to resolve the problems is....... well..........Elecraft like!
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4192709/wsjtx-1.4.0-rc3-Darwin-r4894.dmg <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4192709/wsjtx-1.4.0-rc3-Darwin-r4894.dmg>
> 
> 73, Mike NF4L
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 23 00:04:48 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:04:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] NEW K3
In-Reply-To: <54C1C682.6020706@embarqmail.com>
References: <54C1C682.6020706@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <487699358.12556.1421989488126.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

THANKS GOT IT??? 73s Bob W5RG

      From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
 To: Bob Gibson <w5rg at yahoo.com>; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
   
Bob,

You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
>? Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?? 73s Bob W5RG
>



  

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 23 02:02:23 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:02:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NEW K3
In-Reply-To: <487699358.12556.1421989488126.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C1C682.6020706@embarqmail.com>,
	<487699358.12556.1421989488126.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C1F1FF.12085.14E6E7EB@Gary.ka1j.com>

Congratulations on the new K3!

73,

Gary
KA1J

> THANKS GOT IT??? 73s Bob W5RG
> 
>       From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>  To: Bob Gibson <w5rg at yahoo.com>; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
>    
> Bob,
> 
> You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
> The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
> >? Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?? 73s Bob W5RG
> >
> 
> 
> 
>   
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From nz0tham at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 07:21:46 2015
From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:21:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : 8 ERR messages
In-Reply-To: <54C0ED67.80208@xs4all.nl>
References: <54C0ED67.80208@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1422015706908-7597414.post@n2.nabble.com>

I had the same problem with my 2008 sn 1502 K3.  I tried cleaning the
contacts with no luck.  Elecraft sent me the gold replacement contacts free
and after I installed them the problem has not returned.  Not hard to do but
a bit tedious.
73 Bill NZ0T



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 07:49:14 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphone Jack Problem with K1
In-Reply-To: <F14FA0CD5D2D4D67A36A28E63C7302F5@EllenPC>
References: <F14FA0CD5D2D4D67A36A28E63C7302F5@EllenPC>
Message-ID: <54C2434A.9050004@embarqmail.com>

George,

To remove the old headphone jack, you can de-solder it if you have good 
de-soldering tools.  If not, crush the body of the old jack (pliers will 
work) sufficiently so you can remove the old pins one at a time.  Do 
whatever you need to do to preserve the thru-plated solder holes (do 
*not* drill out the holes.

Unfortunately, there is only one supplier of that jack, and despite past 
efforts from Elecraft to attempt to persuade the manufacturer to beef up 
the jack, no positive results have occurred.
It is not really *that* weak.  Some have worked for years, yet a small 
percentage will fail.  I know that is not a help if you are in that 
small percentage category.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 10:59 PM, George Averill wrote:
> All,
> I just discovered that the headphone jack on my K1 is cracked and needs replacing.  I understand that this is a weak point in the K1.  Can anyone advise me on the best way to remove the old jack?  Has Elecraft come up with a stronger replacement jack?  I think the part number is E620028.
>
>


From w6ux at ymail.com  Fri Jan 23 09:58:03 2015
From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:58:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphone Jack Problem with K1
In-Reply-To: <54C2434A.9050004@embarqmail.com>
References: <F14FA0CD5D2D4D67A36A28E63C7302F5@EllenPC>
	<54C2434A.9050004@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E71FC21-7500-4DA1-A1DC-1F2C121D952E@ymail.com>

I have noticed that my LINE IN jack sometimes loses the input signal and I have to apply a slight pressure to get it restored (gently push in on it).  It's fine after that unless I move the K3.  Does this jack suffer the same issues as the headphone jack too?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> George,
> 
> To remove the old headphone jack, you can de-solder it if you have good de-soldering tools.  If not, crush the body of the old jack (pliers will work) sufficiently so you can remove the old pins one at a time.  Do whatever you need to do to preserve the thru-plated solder holes (do *not* drill out the holes.
> 
> Unfortunately, there is only one supplier of that jack, and despite past efforts from Elecraft to attempt to persuade the manufacturer to beef up the jack, no positive results have occurred.
> It is not really *that* weak.  Some have worked for years, yet a small percentage will fail.  I know that is not a help if you are in that small percentage category.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/22/2015 10:59 PM, George Averill wrote:
>> All,
>> I just discovered that the headphone jack on my K1 is cracked and needs replacing.  I understand that this is a weak point in the K1.  Can anyone advise me on the best way to remove the old jack?  Has Elecraft come up with a stronger replacement jack?  I think the part number is E620028.
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 12:42:00 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:42:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Headphone Jack Problem with K1
In-Reply-To: <8E71FC21-7500-4DA1-A1DC-1F2C121D952E@ymail.com>
References: <F14FA0CD5D2D4D67A36A28E63C7302F5@EllenPC>	<54C2434A.9050004@embarqmail.com>
	<8E71FC21-7500-4DA1-A1DC-1F2C121D952E@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <54C287E8.3090509@embarqmail.com>

Jeff,

That is an entirely different jack used in the K3 (and KX3).

The retention on many 3.5mm jacks is not strong, and with only a slight 
pull on the cable, the plug will become slightly unseated.  I don't 
think the ones used by Elecraft are any worse than the ones I have seen 
on many computer soundcards.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2015 9:58 AM, Jeff Hall wrote:
> I have noticed that my LINE IN jack sometimes loses the input signal and I have to apply a slight pressure to get it restored (gently push in on it).  It's fine after that unless I move the K3.  Does this jack suffer the same issues as the headphone jack too?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> George,
>>
>> To remove the old headphone jack, you can de-solder it if you have good de-soldering tools.  If not, crush the body of the old jack (pliers will work) sufficiently so you can remove the old pins one at a time.  Do whatever you need to do to preserve the thru-plated solder holes (do *not* drill out the holes.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there is only one supplier of that jack, and despite past efforts from Elecraft to attempt to persuade the manufacturer to beef up the jack, no positive results have occurred.
>> It is not really *that* weak.  Some have worked for years, yet a small percentage will fail.  I know that is not a help if you are in that small percentage category.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 1/22/2015 10:59 PM, George Averill wrote:
>>> All,
>>> I just discovered that the headphone jack on my K1 is cracked and needs replacing.  I understand that this is a weak point in the K1.  Can anyone advise me on the best way to remove the old jack?  Has Elecraft come up with a stronger replacement jack?  I think the part number is E620028.
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From k7btw at thewrongaddress.com  Fri Jan 23 14:43:10 2015
From: k7btw at thewrongaddress.com (Richard Swanson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:43:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 LCD and Error code
Message-ID: <54C2A44E.6020800@thewrongaddress.com>

I am building a K1.  On page 37, Alignment and test, Part 1, when I turn 
on power I do not get the e27 display.  The LED test was correct.  The 
LCD only shows a few vertical bars on the top half of the display.  If I 
tap a switch, the display goes blank.  All resistance and voltage checks 
up to this point are OK.  I have gone back over the construction steps 
and check soldering etc.  Can't find anything wrong.  Any suggestions?

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 15:42:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 LCD and Error code
In-Reply-To: <54C2A44E.6020800@thewrongaddress.com>
References: <54C2A44E.6020800@thewrongaddress.com>
Message-ID: <54C2B231.8010608@embarqmail.com>

Richard,

I would suggest you re-check the soldering of the LCD pins.  In fact, I 
recommend that you solder them from both the top and bottom of the board.
Those pins do not protrude through the holes in the board.  It is 
possible to have solder covering the solder pads, but not in contact 
with the pins.
Use a soldering temperature of 750 degF and watch for the solder to flow 
out onto both the solder pad and the lead before removing the heat.  A 
good solder connection takes about 3 seconds.  If it takes longer for 
the solder to flow, the iron is not hot enough, OTOH if the solder flows 
in 2 seconds or less, the iron is too hot.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2015 2:43 PM, Richard Swanson wrote:
> I am building a K1.  On page 37, Alignment and test, Part 1, when I 
> turn on power I do not get the e27 display.  The LED test was 
> correct.  The LCD only shows a few vertical bars on the top half of 
> the display.  If I tap a switch, the display goes blank.  All 
> resistance and voltage checks up to this point are OK.  I have gone 
> back over the construction steps and check soldering etc.  Can't find 
> anything wrong.  Any suggestions?
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Fri Jan 23 17:45:07 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:45:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] couple of questions on P3 FOLLOW UP
Message-ID: <54C2CEF3.5020005@sunflower.com>

Thanks Mike, Alan, Fred, Gary, etal. What a great group!

At Mike's suggestion, I went back and set P3 in FIXED MODE and the 
"noise" when dialing VFO-A went away! Yeah!

And Fred, you said, "In tracking mode, my display 'jumps'...wouldn't 
call is 'noise on the trace.' "
Fred, I have to agree with you. The band of noise as I called it when in 
FIXED MODE is small, and I don't notice it; what I am seeing in TRACKING 
MODE is a similar pattern like that in fixed mode but it does 'jumps' 
and is enlarged some - so it is not really noise. It is a bit annoying 
but I can live with it. I think I'm partial now to the fixed mode 
anyway, more natural as some of you have said.

I tried several other cables I had as one of you suggested, no 
difference, so cable ok. I also tried SP2 instead of SP1 as Gary 
(Elecraft) suggested. Didn't see any change there.

I think I'm good to go on this one. Thanks again guys,

Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS




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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 18:17:30 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:17:30 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] couple of questions on P3 FOLLOW UP
In-Reply-To: <54C2CEF3.5020005@sunflower.com>
References: <54C2CEF3.5020005@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <54C2D68A.5000500@socal.rr.com>

Count me as another fan of fixed mode. Now if my 
PX3 can do it eventually, I'll be a happier camper 
:-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/23/15 2:45 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
> Thanks Mike, Alan, Fred, Gary, etal. What a 
> great group!
>
> At Mike's suggestion, I went back and set P3 in 
> FIXED MODE and the "noise" when dialing VFO-A 
> went away! Yeah!
>
> And Fred, you said, "In tracking mode, my 
> display 'jumps'...wouldn't call is 'noise on the 
> trace.' "
> Fred, I have to agree with you. The band of 
> noise as I called it when in FIXED MODE is 
> small, and I don't notice it; what I am seeing 
> in TRACKING MODE is a similar pattern like that 
> in fixed mode but it does 'jumps' and is 
> enlarged some - so it is not really noise. It is 
> a bit annoying but I can live with it. I think 
> I'm partial now to the fixed mode anyway, more 
> natural as some of you have said.
>
> I tried several other cables I had as one of you 
> suggested, no difference, so cable ok. I also 
> tried SP2 instead of SP1 as Gary (Elecraft) 
> suggested. Didn't see any change there.
>
> I think I'm good to go on this one. Thanks again 
> guys,
>
> Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 23 18:36:44 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark N2qt via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat500 as wattmeter?
Message-ID: <6FDC6B6C-5AEF-4D44-B071-23FEEF3E0B9E@yahoo.com>

Is there an app to take the fwd/ref information from a KAT500 to display on a computer 
monitor? 

Mark. N2QT

From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 19:33:08 2015
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:33:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com> <54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>



>
>
> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>
>
> On 1/22/2015 10:44 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>> I wanted a desk mic to go along with my KX3 station. Wanted something 
>> more portable than the Heil boom and mic I use on my other radio. I 
>> have experimented with dynamic mics on the KX3 and didn't get the 
>> results I liked but did get very nice results with using 4 CUI 
>> electret condenser mic elements in parallel. I used the CUI 
>> CMA-4544PF-W from Digikey and used a small project circuit board to 
>> physically arrange them in a 2 x 2 config. Then I trimmed up the board.
>>
>> For the mic body I found a unused Shure 522 on ebay (some company had 
>> them for a conference table system and had a great price). The 522 
>> has an adjustable neck height and a PTT (with lock). I gutted the 
>> body and fitted the new electret element assembly as well as used a 
>> 3' TRRS patch cable that I cut 1 end off for the mic cable, it also 
>> had 90 deg ends.
>>
>> I am pleased with the physical results as well as very good audio 
>> reports I am receiving from the regulars that know my signal, still 
>> not to the level of my FTDX5000MP but getting better with each tweak 
>> and DSP update (using 1.32 which has made a noticeable improvement). 
>> I am using a healthy level of compression and mic gain that shows a 
>> solid 5 bars.
>>
>
>
> -- 
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>
> ************************************************

From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 19:50:31 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:50:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com> <54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>
	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>

Provides more gain and improves the SNR.

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 1/23/2015 7:33 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/2015 10:44 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>>> I wanted a desk mic to go along with my KX3 station. Wanted 
>>> something more portable than the Heil boom and mic I use on my other 
>>> radio. I have experimented with dynamic mics on the KX3 and didn't 
>>> get the results I liked but did get very nice results with using 4 
>>> CUI electret condenser mic elements in parallel. I used the CUI 
>>> CMA-4544PF-W from Digikey and used a small project circuit board to 
>>> physically arrange them in a 2 x 2 config. Then I trimmed up the board.
>>>
>>> For the mic body I found a unused Shure 522 on ebay (some company 
>>> had them for a conference table system and had a great price). The 
>>> 522 has an adjustable neck height and a PTT (with lock). I gutted 
>>> the body and fitted the new electret element assembly as well as 
>>> used a 3' TRRS patch cable that I cut 1 end off for the mic cable, 
>>> it also had 90 deg ends.
>>>
>>> I am pleased with the physical results as well as very good audio 
>>> reports I am receiving from the regulars that know my signal, still 
>>> not to the level of my FTDX5000MP but getting better with each tweak 
>>> and DSP update (using 1.32 which has made a noticeable improvement). 
>>> I am using a healthy level of compression and mic gain that shows a 
>>> solid 5 bars.
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary K9GS
>>
>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>
>> ************************************************
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 20:05:45 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:05:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat500 as wattmeter?
In-Reply-To: <6FDC6B6C-5AEF-4D44-B071-23FEEF3E0B9E@yahoo.com>
References: <6FDC6B6C-5AEF-4D44-B071-23FEEF3E0B9E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C2EFE9.9000001@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

The OPERATE tab of the KAT500 Utility shows the VFWD and VRFL as well as 
the VSWR.  It also shows the Bypass VSWR.  Perhaps that is what you are 
looking for.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2015 6:36 PM, Mark N2qt via Elecraft wrote:
> Is there an app to take the fwd/ref information from a KAT500 to display on a computer
> monitor?
>
> Mark. N2QT
>


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Jan 23 20:09:56 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:09:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com> <54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>
	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com> <54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47DB0623-88EE-40EA-9446-32A573FF66FC@wunderwood.org>

I can?t imagine that paralleling four elements would make a big difference. It would be more directional at higher frequencies. A 2x2 array would be about 20mm across, which is one wavelength at 17000Hz. That would start to be directional, because angled waves would cancel out.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 23, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Provides more gain and improves the SNR.
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
> 
> On 1/23/2015 7:33 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>> 
>>> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>>> 
>>> On 1/22/2015 10:44 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>>>> I wanted a desk mic to go along with my KX3 station. Wanted something more portable than the Heil boom and mic I use on my other radio. I have experimented with dynamic mics on the KX3 and didn't get the results I liked but did get very nice results with using 4 CUI electret condenser mic elements in parallel. I used the CUI CMA-4544PF-W from Digikey and used a small project circuit board to physically arrange them in a 2 x 2 config. Then I trimmed up the board.
>>>> 
>>>> For the mic body I found a unused Shure 522 on ebay (some company had them for a conference table system and had a great price). The 522 has an adjustable neck height and a PTT (with lock). I gutted the body and fitted the new electret element assembly as well as used a 3' TRRS patch cable that I cut 1 end off for the mic cable, it also had 90 deg ends.
>>>> 
>>>> I am pleased with the physical results as well as very good audio reports I am receiving from the regulars that know my signal, still not to the level of my FTDX5000MP but getting better with each tweak and DSP update (using 1.32 which has made a noticeable improvement). I am using a healthy level of compression and mic gain that shows a solid 5 bars.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Gary K9GS
>>> 
>>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
>>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>> 
>>> ************************************************
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 23 20:49:36 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:49:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
Message-ID: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>

Was in the middle of the CQ 160 contest and the K3 shut down. There 
is power to the radio but it is dead in the water. 

The power supply is working fine, power getting to the rig, but 
nothing. No fuse on the chassis, any suggestions? Lousy time to lose 
the rig.

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J


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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 23 21:03:31 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <870C6657-DB15-4FF2-B866-42F29A6C51C9@mac.com>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<870C6657-DB15-4FF2-B866-42F29A6C51C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54C2FD73.3461.18FBA739@Gary.ka1j.com>

I did to see if there was voltage at the plug & there is. I was in 
the middle of transmitting and the radio went dead. No sign of life. 
Power supply is working just fine.

Darn, I have put so much work into being ready for this contest.

Gary
KA1J

> 
> Tried pulling the power cord and reconnecting? - GL - Steve WB6RSE
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> Was in the middle of the CQ 160 contest and the K3 shut down. There?
> is power to the radio but it is dead in the water.?
> 
> The power supply is working fine, power getting to the rig, but?
> nothing. No fuse on the chassis, any suggestions? Lousy time to lose?
> the rig.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 23 21:19:29 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:19:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com>
	<54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>
	<54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C30131.4010105@audiosystemsgroup.com>

You are seriously misguided. Your combination of mics won't do that, and 
they WILL make a mess of the sound they pick up.

The only thing to be gained by combining microphones is directivity, 
doing that is VERY difficult, and microphones that provide directivity 
are common and inexpensive.

73, Jim K9YC
Retired Pro Audio Guy

On Fri,1/23/2015 4:50 PM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> Provides more gain and improves the SNR.
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
>
> On 1/23/2015 7:33 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>>>


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 21:36:35 2015
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:36:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com>
	<54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>
	<54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C30533.3000303@wi.rr.com>

Others have commented on the directivity problems with paralleling 
microphone elements.

Regarding the "gain" that you mentioned, any electret element is going 
to have a very high output.  Much more than the K3 needs.  The K3 can 
effectively handle just about any microphone.


On 1/23/2015 6:50 PM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> Provides more gain and improves the SNR.
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
>
> On 1/23/2015 7:33 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/22/2015 10:44 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>>>> I wanted a desk mic to go along with my KX3 station. Wanted 
>>>> something more portable than the Heil boom and mic I use on my 
>>>> other radio. I have experimented with dynamic mics on the KX3 and 
>>>> didn't get the results I liked but did get very nice results with 
>>>> using 4 CUI electret condenser mic elements in parallel. I used the 
>>>> CUI CMA-4544PF-W from Digikey and used a small project circuit 
>>>> board to physically arrange them in a 2 x 2 config. Then I trimmed 
>>>> up the board.
>>>>
>>>> For the mic body I found a unused Shure 522 on ebay (some company 
>>>> had them for a conference table system and had a great price). The 
>>>> 522 has an adjustable neck height and a PTT (with lock). I gutted 
>>>> the body and fitted the new electret element assembly as well as 
>>>> used a 3' TRRS patch cable that I cut 1 end off for the mic cable, 
>>>> it also had 90 deg ends.
>>>>
>>>> I am pleased with the physical results as well as very good audio 
>>>> reports I am receiving from the regulars that know my signal, still 
>>>> not to the level of my FTDX5000MP but getting better with each 
>>>> tweak and DSP update (using 1.32 which has made a noticeable 
>>>> improvement). I am using a healthy level of compression and mic 
>>>> gain that shows a solid 5 bars.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Gary K9GS
>>>
>>> Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org
>>> Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com
>>> CW Ops #1032   http://www.cwops.org
>>>
>>> ************************************************
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>
> Gary K9GS
>
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 23 22:04:49 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <B6AEF7E9033E4AB79A2522BE6CBFC337@HANKPC>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<B6AEF7E9033E4AB79A2522BE6CBFC337@HANKPC>
Message-ID: <54C30BD1.23627.1933C5C2@Gary.ka1j.com>

Hi Hank,

Just removed the K3 from its harness and tested the RCA jack to see 
if it's shorted; Using the fluke it shows 500 ohms & when the probes 
are reversed, there's an infinite reading so I'm assuming the diode 
is intact.

Guess that's not this issue. Thanks for the idea though.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Gary I had my K3 die in middle of  qso - its turned out to be the reverse 
> polarity diode that hangs from the 12v RCA jack to ground - it shorted dead 
> (not a damn thing hanging on that RCA nor had there EVER been anything on 
> it ) so that keeps  the FET from letting the radio turn on --  check DCR 
> from RCA jack to ground - just a chance --Its D35  a SMD 1N4007 or something 
> like that if I remember  -
> 
> GL what a   BUMMER -- 73 Hank
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gary Smith
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 6:49 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
> 
> Was in the middle of the CQ 160 contest and the K3 shut down. There
> is power to the radio but it is dead in the water.
> 
> The power supply is working fine, power getting to the rig, but
> nothing. No fuse on the chassis, any suggestions? Lousy time to lose
> the rig.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 23 22:14:22 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark N2qt via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat500 as wattmeter?
In-Reply-To: <54C2EFE9.9000001@embarqmail.com>
References: <6FDC6B6C-5AEF-4D44-B071-23FEEF3E0B9E@yahoo.com>
	<54C2EFE9.9000001@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <E547B793-B76D-442D-B9B4-D0EEC86CD561@yahoo.com>

Yes I'd found that. What I was hoping for is a readout in watts, with a bargraph,
like that provided with the W2 or the remote app for the KPA500.  

Mark. N2QT

> On Jan 23, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The OPERATE tab of the KAT500 Utility shows the VFWD and VRFL as well as the VSWR.  It also shows the Bypass VSWR.  Perhaps that is what you are looking for.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 1/23/2015 6:36 PM, Mark N2qt via Elecraft wrote:
>> Is there an app to take the fwd/ref information from a KAT500 to display on a computer
>> monitor?
>> 
>> Mark. N2QT
> 

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 23 23:07:03 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 23:07:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <54C30BD1.23627.1933C5C2@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<B6AEF7E9033E4AB79A2522BE6CBFC337@HANKPC>,
	<54C30BD1.23627.1933C5C2@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>

Just a follow-up,

I found the problem and it is in the DC terminal strip that must have 
a faulty component inside. It shows  13.8 V at the end of the wiring 
harness but when I connected it to the K-3 it dropped down to .5 V. I 
bypassed the terminal strip and connected to the power supply 
directly and the radio turns on with no issues. The connections to 
the terminal are tight so it has to be something internal.

No chance to really compete in the contest but at least I can get 
back in the game and don't have to send the K-3 back home for 
surgery.

Thanks again for the suggestion, I appreciate it.

73,

Gary, KA1J


> Hi Hank,
> 
> Just removed the K3 from its harness and tested the RCA jack to see 
> if it's shorted; Using the fluke it shows 500 ohms & when the probes 
> are reversed, there's an infinite reading so I'm assuming the diode 
> is intact.
> 
> Guess that's not this issue. Thanks for the idea though.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> > Gary I had my K3 die in middle of  qso - its turned out to be the reverse 
> > polarity diode that hangs from the 12v RCA jack to ground - it shorted dead 
> > (not a damn thing hanging on that RCA nor had there EVER been anything on 
> > it ) so that keeps  the FET from letting the radio turn on --  check DCR 
> > from RCA jack to ground - just a chance --Its D35  a SMD 1N4007 or something 
> > like that if I remember  -
> > 
> > GL what a   BUMMER -- 73 Hank
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Gary Smith
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 6:49 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
> > 
> > Was in the middle of the CQ 160 contest and the K3 shut down. There
> > is power to the radio but it is dead in the water.
> > 
> > The power supply is working fine, power getting to the rig, but
> > nothing. No fuse on the chassis, any suggestions? Lousy time to lose
> > the rig.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
> > 
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Jan 23 23:13:55 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:13:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<B6AEF7E9033E4AB79A2522BE6CBFC337@HANKPC>,
	<54C30BD1.23627.1933C5C2@Gary.ka1j.com>
	<54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C31C03.7040402@socal.rr.com>

"don't have to send the K-3 back home for 
surgery": Good to hear, Gary!

Phil W7OX

On 1/23/15 8:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> Just a follow-up,
>
> I found the problem and it is in the DC terminal strip that must have
> a faulty component inside. It shows  13.8 V at the end of the wiring
> harness but when I connected it to the K-3 it dropped down to .5 V. I
> bypassed the terminal strip and connected to the power supply
> directly and the radio turns on with no issues. The connections to
> the terminal are tight so it has to be something internal.
>
> No chance to really compete in the contest but at least I can get
> back in the game and don't have to send the K-3 back home for
> surgery.
>
> Thanks again for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary, KA1J


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 23:18:51 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 23:18:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<B6AEF7E9033E4AB79A2522BE6CBFC337@HANKPC>,
	<54C30BD1.23627.1933C5C2@Gary.ka1j.com>
	<54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C31D2B.4000005@embarqmail.com>

Gary,

I would submit that it is something internal -- but internal to the 
wiring harness or the terminal strip that you are using.

The direct connection to the power source should indicate that this is 
not a K3 problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/23/2015 11:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> Just a follow-up,
>
> I found the problem and it is in the DC terminal strip that must have
> a faulty component inside. It shows  13.8 V at the end of the wiring
> harness but when I connected it to the K-3 it dropped down to .5 V. I
> bypassed the terminal strip and connected to the power supply
> directly and the radio turns on with no issues. The connections to
> the terminal are tight so it has to be something internal.
>
> No chance to really compete in the contest but at least I can get
> back in the game and don't have to send the K-3 back home for
> surgery.
>
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Jan 23 23:39:10 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 23:39:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] :K2 Homebrew external digital interface with
 build-in soundcard device
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAAMm7kTDiOZxNv46dJd8M55MBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAAMm7kTDiOZxNv46dJd8M55MBAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
Message-ID: <54C321EE.2020001@embarqmail.com>

Jean,

I am a little confused by your questions (it may be a language thing).
I assume that you have the K2 "twins" which have the KPA100 and KAT100 
in the separate EC2 enclosure (I do not know what an "ECS-box" might be, 
so I am making assumptions).

If you want computer control of the K2 Twins, you must have the KIO2 
mounted in the base K2, and the computer connection must connect to the 
KIO2 in the base K2 (the RS-232 function of the KPA100 is not operative 
in the K2 Twins configuration).

The digital interface is a separate item from the computer RS-232 
control interface.
A standard PC soundcard will work just fine for digital modes.  Yes, it 
is best to use audio transformers to isolate the PC noise from the 
digital audio stream.

If you are asking about something different from my assumptions, please 
ask again -- there may be a language problem here.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 1/23/2015 11:04 PM, Behiels jean-Pierre wrote:
>
> Hi Elecraft members;
>
> I already have build a K2/10.
>
> My next project is to homebrew a digital interface for general purpose 
> with external soundcard into a separated Elecraft ECS2 enclosure.
>
> Is there anyone who could give my some addresses and advise witch kind 
> of soundcard is usuable for this purpose ?
>
> I presume a standard PC soundcard is not really useful for build-in in 
> a ECS-box without any PC support(connectors and so on)
> You must now that I must solder my DC transceiver PC isolation circuit 
> to this sound card as well.
>
> I will work with some small audio transformer and some opto couplers 
> for the DC isolation between both (transceiver and PC USB port).
>
> I look forward to receive some idees and any good designs and some 
> usefull information around.
>
> I hope someone could help my with my request.
>
> Kindly regards Jean ON4AEF.
>
> *E-mail : **on4aef at telenet.be <mailto:on4aef at telenet.be>***
>


From edouard at lafargue.name  Fri Jan 23 23:51:23 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:51:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>

I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
mode is not usable on that program!

  Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
describe the issue as clearly as possible:

    - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
    - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!

     Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh

      I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
Something else ??

    Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
Hams on the list will have an answer!

   Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.

73 de Ed, W6ELA

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Jan 24 00:50:01 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:50:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-7A84185496E145E88C30192A42492A4C@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

A quick guess. The DSP bandwidth for Data A is separate than 
from USB. Try adjusting the HI and LOW cut knobs on your radio. 
(I'm assuming a K3 or KX3.) I have used my K3 for digital modes, 
JT, PSK  etc. using WSJT-X, cocoaModem, and fldigi. There's a 
bit of a learning curve with all these programs, but it isn't 
too steep, and it's a computer after all. :-)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/23/15 at 8:51 PM, edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) wrote:

>I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>mode is not usable on that program!
>
>Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
>describe the issue as clearly as possible:
>
>- In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
>actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
>- In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
>until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
>and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
>around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
>
>Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
>
>I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
>audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
>this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
>it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
>soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
>Something else ??
>
>Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
>Hams on the list will have an answer!
>
>Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
>
>73 de Ed, W6ELA
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 24 00:50:07 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:50:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <kdb6catigua6ov0hl975k2ln5at79s3ogg@4ax.com>

Yep, there is always a first time for any mode.  I remember when PSK31
was introduced and I tried it.  Had a problem similar to yours, but on
a FT101EE at that time.

I've used JT65 on my K3 many times, with DATA A as the mode.  I can
assure you that it works fine.  But that is here, and with a different
configuration (well, probably).

The spectrum you posted was a surprise.  You should be seeing tones
between 1270 and 1953 Hz, and they would show as discrete "blips". The
spectrum shown is not at all like that.

I'd be scratching my head too, Ed.  It may be something simple, and
probably is.  I'll think about it a bit though.  Maybe others will
consider this as well.  It's a little perplexing.

Which Elecraft transceiver are you using?  Both the K3 and KX3 support
DATA A modes. 

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:51:23 -0800, you wrote:

>I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>mode is not usable on that program!
>
>  Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
>describe the issue as clearly as possible:
>
>    - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
>actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
>    - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
>until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
>and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
>around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
>
>     Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
>
>      I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
>audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
>this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
>it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
>soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
>Something else ??
>
>    Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
>Hams on the list will have an answer!
>
>   Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
>
>73 de Ed, W6ELA
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From edouard at lafargue.name  Sat Jan 24 00:54:48 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:54:48 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <kdb6catigua6ov0hl975k2ln5at79s3ogg@4ax.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<kdb6catigua6ov0hl975k2ln5at79s3ogg@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsW_OA79dwjpEbNjK84_BYxW3rg_Dht_yaQc=B6dd+2UcQ@mail.gmail.com>

  Oh yes, I kind of forgot the most obvious :) It is KX3, running on a beta
firmware (2.33, not sure it is released yet).

  The only difference between the two sections of the screenshot are USB
and DATA A mode, nothing else changed. Very strange. The "Flatten" checkbox
is checked, I will try with the checkbox unchecked tomorrow morning and
report.

  On other programs like fldigi, the only difference between USB and DATA A
(both with widest possible filter bandwidth) is a cutoff at 500Hz on DATA A
whereas USB goes a bit lower.

  Thanks for all your feedback so far!

Ed W6ELA

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Yep, there is always a first time for any mode.  I remember when PSK31
> was introduced and I tried it.  Had a problem similar to yours, but on
> a FT101EE at that time.
>
> I've used JT65 on my K3 many times, with DATA A as the mode.  I can
> assure you that it works fine.  But that is here, and with a different
> configuration (well, probably).
>
> The spectrum you posted was a surprise.  You should be seeing tones
> between 1270 and 1953 Hz, and they would show as discrete "blips". The
> spectrum shown is not at all like that.
>
> I'd be scratching my head too, Ed.  It may be something simple, and
> probably is.  I'll think about it a bit though.  Maybe others will
> consider this as well.  It's a little perplexing.
>
> Which Elecraft transceiver are you using?  Both the K3 and KX3 support
> DATA A modes.
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:51:23 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
> >right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
> >mode is not usable on that program!
> >
> >  Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
> >describe the issue as clearly as possible:
> >
> >    - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
> >actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
> >    - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz,
> nothing
> >until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
> >and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
> >around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
> >
> >     Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
> >
> >      I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
> >audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
> >this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
> >it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
> >soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
> >Something else ??
> >
> >    Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
> >Hams on the list will have an answer!
> >
> >   Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
> >
> >73 de Ed, W6ELA
> >______________________________________________________________
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>

From on4aef at telenet.be  Sat Jan 24 01:23:36 2015
From: on4aef at telenet.be (Behiels jean-Pierre)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] :K2 Homebrew external digital interface with build-in
	soundcard device
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAALPO8qsM1tRDkSpN4jJfVV4BAAAAAA==@telenet.be>




Hi Elecraft members;

I already have build a K2/10.
My next project is to homebrew a digital interface for general purpose with
external soundcard into a separated Elecraft EC2 project enclosure.
Is there anyone who could give my some addresses and advise witch kind of
soundcard is usuable for this purpose ?
I presume a standard PC soundcard is not really useful for build-in in a
EC2-box without any PC support(connectors and so on)
You must now that I must solder my DC transceiver PC isolation circuit to
this soundcard as well.
I presume I could not solder on a standard PCI slot of sutch soundcard,not
talking about supplying this unit and so on
I will work with some small audio transformer,and some opto couplers for the
DC isolation between both.
(transceiver and PC USB port).
I look forward to receive some idees and any good designs and some usefull
information (addresses where to buy)around.
I hope someone could help my with my request.

Kindly regards Jean ON4AEF.

E-mail : on4aef at telenet.be



From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 01:32:58 2015
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:32:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsW_OA79dwjpEbNjK84_BYxW3rg_Dht_yaQc=B6dd+2UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<kdb6catigua6ov0hl975k2ln5at79s3ogg@4ax.com>
	<CAJVEXsW_OA79dwjpEbNjK84_BYxW3rg_Dht_yaQc=B6dd+2UcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Be sure to keep your audio input (RX) as low as you can.  Your pic could be a result of high audio levels. 

On my K3, I set LIN OUT at 1, then set the driver level just high enough to allow decoding (3/100 in the Windows driver).  Overdriving causes myriad issues, mostly causing the decoding to fail or work poorly and it will FUBAR the waterfall.  You do NOT want to tickle the sound card AGC, ever, if you want to watch multiple conversations. That's difficult to manage. 

If one signal is substantially blocking the signal you want (hitting the AGC, lowering the apparent level to other Q's), adjust the Hi/Lo cut (and center freq) to filter it out.  This is effective in any digital mode.  A P3 or a good waterfall display helps in this. 

Any sound device 'feature' should be disabled (shaping, boost, bandpass etc.).  Otherwise it only mucks with the decoder.  The K(X)3 in Data A mode gives flat audio; exactly what the decoder wants to see; allowing it the best chance of performing well. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Jan 23, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name> wrote:
> 
>  Oh yes, I kind of forgot the most obvious :) It is KX3, running on a beta
> firmware (2.33, not sure it is released yet).
> 
>  The only difference between the two sections of the screenshot are USB
> and DATA A mode, nothing else changed. Very strange. The "Flatten" checkbox
> is checked, I will try with the checkbox unchecked tomorrow morning and
> report.
> 
>  On other programs like fldigi, the only difference between USB and DATA A
> (both with widest possible filter bandwidth) is a cutoff at 500Hz on DATA A
> whereas USB goes a bit lower.
> 
>  Thanks for all your feedback so far!
> 
> Ed W6ELA
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, there is always a first time for any mode.  I remember when PSK31
>> was introduced and I tried it.  Had a problem similar to yours, but on
>> a FT101EE at that time.
>> 
>> I've used JT65 on my K3 many times, with DATA A as the mode.  I can
>> assure you that it works fine.  But that is here, and with a different
>> configuration (well, probably).
>> 
>> The spectrum you posted was a surprise.  You should be seeing tones
>> between 1270 and 1953 Hz, and they would show as discrete "blips". The
>> spectrum shown is not at all like that.
>> 
>> I'd be scratching my head too, Ed.  It may be something simple, and
>> probably is.  I'll think about it a bit though.  Maybe others will
>> consider this as well.  It's a little perplexing.
>> 
>> Which Elecraft transceiver are you using?  Both the K3 and KX3 support
>> DATA A modes.
>> 
>> 73,
>> matt
>> W6NIA
>> 
>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 20:51:23 -0800, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>>> right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>>> mode is not usable on that program!
>>> 
>>> Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
>>> describe the issue as clearly as possible:
>>> 
>>>   - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
>>> actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
>>>   - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz,
>> nothing
>>> until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
>>> and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
>>> around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
>>> 
>>>    Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
>>> 
>>>     I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
>>> audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
>>> this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
>>> it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
>>> soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
>>> Something else ??
>>> 
>>>   Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
>>> Hams on the list will have an answer!
>>> 
>>>  Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
>>> 
>>> 73 de Ed, W6ELA
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>> --
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>> spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Jan 24 03:25:15 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Lost power
In-Reply-To: <54C31D2B.4000005@embarqmail.com>
References: <54C2FA30.9955.18EEE85E@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<54C31A67.29435.196CBED1@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<54C31D2B.4000005@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C356EB.18847.1A59247B@Gary.ka1j.com>

Hi Don,

Yes, the problem is indeed in the terminal strip. Interesting that no 
load shows 13.8V but when connected to the K3 and the K3 is off, it 
then shows .5V at the terminal strip. Apparently everything else 
running off that strip is doing fine so it has to be at that 
junction.

Now I'm just running it off the Astron directly and it's doing fine. 
Never had a problem with the strip before, something new to get my 
VOM & soldering rig onto!

:)

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Gary,
> 
> I would submit that it is something internal -- but internal to the 
> wiring harness or the terminal strip that you are using.
> 
> The direct connection to the power source should indicate that this is 
> not a K3 problem.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 1/23/2015 11:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Just a follow-up,
> >
> > I found the problem and it is in the DC terminal strip that must have
> > a faulty component inside. It shows  13.8 V at the end of the wiring
> > harness but when I connected it to the K-3 it dropped down to .5 V. I
> > bypassed the terminal strip and connected to the power supply
> > directly and the radio turns on with no issues. The connections to
> > the terminal are tight so it has to be something internal.
> >
> > No chance to really compete in the contest but at least I can get
> > back in the game and don't have to send the K-3 back home for
> > surgery.
> >
> >
> 
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Sat Jan 24 07:06:33 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C38AC9.3040509@nexicom.net>

I can duplicate the same effect here with my K3   uncheck the Flatten 
box at the bottom of the waterfall Flatten is for rigs that tend to have 
a hump in the middle of the audio  but with K3/KX3  which are flat to 
start this feature will have a negative effect

Flatten on http://i.imgur.com/eFN20vG.jpg

Flatten off  http://i.imgur.com/cpQoPEX.jpg


David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 1/23/2015 23:51, Edouard Lafargue wrote:
> I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
> right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
> mode is not usable on that program!
>
>    Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
> describe the issue as clearly as possible:
>
>      - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
> actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
>      - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
> until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
> and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
> around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
>
>       Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
>
>        I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
> audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
> this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
> it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
> soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
> Something else ??
>
>      Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
> Hams on the list will have an answer!
>
>     Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
>
> 73 de Ed, W6ELA
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 24 08:10:52 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] :K2 Homebrew external digital interface with
 build-in soundcard device
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFPzdKLf9BGm7na+npkKxjCgAAAEAAAALPO8qsM1tRDkSpN4jJfVV4BAAAAAA==@telenet.be>
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Message-ID: <54C399DC.1010905@embarqmail.com>

Jean,

You might want to take a look at the K2 Digital Interface Box on my 
website www.w3fpr.com for some ideas.
My K2 digital box switches between the microphone and the digital 
interface, so I can use either mode at a flip of a switch.  I have also 
put a fixed audio output circuit in my K2 and route the audio output to 
an unused pin on the mic configuration header so only one cable is 
required between the K2 mic jack and my interface box.

Most any soundcard will work for digital modes (even the computer 
internal card).  The real difference for digital modes is the noise 
level of the soundcard.  Jim Brown K9YC has recently done some testing 
and has recommended a couple of external soundcards.  You might want to 
look at the reflector archives for his posts over the last 4 months.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/24/2015 1:23 AM, Behiels jean-Pierre wrote:
>
>
> Hi Elecraft members;
>
> I already have build a K2/10.
> My next project is to homebrew a digital interface for general purpose with
> external soundcard into a separated Elecraft EC2 project enclosure.
> Is there anyone who could give my some addresses and advise witch kind of
> soundcard is usuable for this purpose ?
> I presume a standard PC soundcard is not really useful for build-in in a
> EC2-box without any PC support(connectors and so on)
> You must now that I must solder my DC transceiver PC isolation circuit to
> this soundcard as well.
> I presume I could not solder on a standard PCI slot of sutch soundcard,not
> talking about supplying this unit and so on
> I will work with some small audio transformer,and some opto couplers for the
> DC isolation between both.
> (transceiver and PC USB port).
> I look forward to receive some idees and any good designs and some usefull
> information (addresses where to buy)around.
> I hope someone could help my with my request.
>
>


From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 08:13:37 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:13:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C30131.4010105@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com>	<54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>	<54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>
	<54C30131.4010105@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54C39A81.4000209@gmail.com>

Guys it is a project! No need to be throwing out personal statements 
like that! Sorry for being "misguided" guess I wont make that mistake 
again here!

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 1/23/2015 9:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> You are seriously misguided. Your combination of mics won't do that, 
> and they WILL make a mess of the sound they pick up.
>
> The only thing to be gained by combining microphones is directivity, 
> doing that is VERY difficult, and microphones that provide directivity 
> are common and inexpensive.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> Retired Pro Audio Guy
>
> On Fri,1/23/2015 4:50 PM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>> Provides more gain and improves the SNR.
>>
>> Gary Mitchelson
>> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
>> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
>> www.mitchelson.org
>>
>> On 1/23/2015 7:33 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just curious...what is the point of paralleling 4 microphone elements?
>>>>
>
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From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 08:58:26 2015
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 07:58:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Low Receive Signals
Message-ID: <CAD+2GyvbQmz7OjZvrj=DHfzKNUdYuqaWApkrFuW2Wcj06QO=7Q@mail.gmail.com>

OK what do I need to change on my KX3 Menu?

As I increase power from 4 watts to 100 watts I hear a series of clicks one
at 5 watts and one at 10 watts from the amp. Each time there is a click the
receive signal drops like an attenuator.  The attenuator on the back of the
amp is in the OUT position.  What do I have messed up now?  What do I need
to change?
-- 
Jim K9TF

From cyaffey at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 09:43:18 2015
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 for sale
Message-ID: <24A80E86-A628-4729-9BD0-0BEA0FFFE391@gmail.com>

From a silent key estate:
KX1 (40, 30, 20) + KXAT1 + W5JH paddle

$300 shipped.


Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 10:49:51 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:49:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3FW5R04 problems?
Message-ID: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>

HI

Install beta version K3FW5R04 and low watt in some bands. I went back 
and put K3FW5R01 and became normal again.

Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
Web: http://wp3c.net



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 10:58:20 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:58:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.






      From: Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name>
 To: Mark <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:51 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
   
I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
mode is not usable on that program!

? Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
describe the issue as clearly as possible:

? ? - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
? ? - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!

? ? Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh

? ? ? I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
Something else ??

? ? Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
Hams on the list will have an answer!

? Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.

73 de Ed, W6ELA
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From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 24 11:10:58 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:10:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3FW5R04 problems?
In-Reply-To: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <54C3C412.1070400@mchsi.com>

I had the same problem.  You must run the TX Gain Calibration using a 50 
ohm dummy load after loading FW 5.04

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/24/2015 09:49, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
> HI
>
> Install beta version K3FW5R04 and low watt in some bands. I went back 
> and put K3FW5R01 and became normal again.
>
> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
> e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
> Web: http://wp3c.net
>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 24 11:13:28 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3FW5R04 problems?
In-Reply-To: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <54C3C4A8.6010901@embarqmail.com>

Alfredo,

In some cases, you have to run TX Gain Calibration after installing beta 
5.04.
This is a bug in that beta release, and will be corrected in a 
subsequent beta.
If you have memories previously stored, recalling them can upset the 
work of doing the gain calibration because the old memories contain gain 
settings.

Wait until the next beta to arrive.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/24/2015 10:49 AM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
> HI
>
> Install beta version K3FW5R04 and low watt in some bands. I went back 
> and put K3FW5R01 and became normal again.
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jan 24 12:07:22 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:07:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3FW5R04 problems?
In-Reply-To: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2060485E8BFA4-BFC-4BF08@webmail-vm011.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <D4AAB043-6635-450C-A092-98F046BF8369@elecraft.com>

Looks like the overdrive protection is a little too aggressive. We'll have a new firmware release next week that corrects this. 

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jan 24, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> HI
> 
> Install beta version K3FW5R04 and low watt in some bands. I went back and put K3FW5R01 and became normal again.
> 
> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
> e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
> Web: http://wp3c.net
> 
> 
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From idarack at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 12:12:07 2015
From: idarack at gmail.com (KD3TB)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:12:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - For Sale - Two 15-pin KAT500 / KPA500 Cables
Message-ID: <001501d037f8$e1f8f230$a5ead690$@com>

Hello to all on the list.

 

I have two genuine Elecraft 15 pin cables that are used to interconnect the
K3 to the KPA 500 and the KAT 500.


KAT500 to KPA500 cable. Provides band data to KAT500 for band change prior
to TX,, and feeds through KPAK3AUX cable data from  the K3 to the KPA500.
Typically used in addition to the KPAK3AUX cable from the K3 to route band
data, keying and AUXBUS data through the KAT500 to the KPA500. (The KAT500
has AUX Cable IN and OUT connections.) This is the same 15 pin cable as is
contained in the KPAP3AUX cable set.

  
They are surplus to my needs and are functionally & cosmetically 100%.

 

They sell on the Elecraft website for $24.95 each.

 

I am offering them for half price -- $15 each or both for $25 + actual
postage to your destination.

 

PayPal or personal check OK.

 

Please contact me off list if interested.  My call sign at arrl.net.

 

Irwin, KD3TB

 

 

 


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 24 12:36:27 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:36:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <eul7cahdcidv2vq8iavpv21tmspjkh3i7r@4ax.com>

And JT9 is even worse (addictive).  If you're a QRP junkie, there's
nothing like a 500 mW contact, halfway around the world.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:58:20 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

>Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
>I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
>Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
>And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      From: Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name>
> To: Mark <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:51 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
>   
>I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>mode is not usable on that program!
>
>? Not 100% sure the mailing-list allows images in emails, so I will try to
>describe the issue as clearly as possible:
>
>? ? - In USB mode, with a flat EQ, I get a flat spectrum apart from the
>actual JT9/JT65 chirps, from 200Hz to 3000 Hz
>? ? - In DATA A mode, on the other hand, I get a peak around 100Hz, nothing
>until 300Hz, then a huge noise peak raising from 300Hz, peaking at 500hz
>and going slowly down to 1kHz. Then a big dip in signal/noise centered
>around 2kHz. In other words, very distorted signal!
>
>? ? Image speaks for itself: http://imgur.com/QyqpzEh
>
>? ? ? I am pretty sure this does not come from the radio, with a simple
>audio waterfall displaying at the same time in another program I don't see
>this artifact, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this and can explain
>it? Could it be an FFT artifact linked to the sampling rate of the
>soundcard and an internal sampling rate of the radio in DATA mode?
>Something else ??
>
>? ? Kind of scratching my head on this one, maybe smarter/more experience
>Hams on the list will have an answer!
>
>? Oh yes: WSJT-X is running on a Mac, not that it should really matter.
>
>73 de Ed, W6ELA
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>  
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 24 12:41:28 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:41:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>

Re "And it all started from me just "trying" it 
one day": That does sound like an addiction ;-)

Phil W7OX

On 1/24/15 7:58 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
> I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
> Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
> And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.


From m5kvk at m5kvk.org  Sat Jan 24 12:57:29 2015
From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:57:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Looking for a UK based expert to debug KSB2
Message-ID: <CAPFkiaufuZpfWiy3wySXdEF7nehQR4U_sdVq4gC2thd00QC_nw@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I have to admit defeat. I can't see what's wrong with the KSB2 board I
built for my K2. I need somebody with more skill than I to take a look.

I'd prefer somebody in the UK, simply because of shipping costs.

If there is somebody who would be willing to put my board in their own K2
and work out what the problem is, please email me direct at M5KVK at M5KVK
dot ORG.

I'll send them the board to take a look and,hopefully, get it working. I'll
pay reasonable costs of course.

73 Gareth, M5KVK

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jan 24 13:49:27 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:49:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C3E937.7040408@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,1/23/2015 8:51 PM, Edouard Lafargue wrote:
> I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
> right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
> mode is not usable on that program!

WSJT-X works very well with K3 and KX3 set for Digital A. As others have 
noted, we need to set the bandwidth per mode. I don't know how to 
interpret the image you posted -- there's too little time on the 
waterfall, and no amplitude display.

This almost looks like the sort of problem that could be from a miswired 
cable, or from not having equipment bonded together properly. You should 
be using the Line Input of the K3. When the Line Input is selected, the 
Mic Gain knob acts as Line Input Gain.

See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf for detailed advice on 
Grounding, Bonding and Audio Interfacing.

73, Jim K9YC



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 14:03:36 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:03:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
References: <54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1675580210.429156.1422126216258.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Over 3700 JT65 Contacts


      From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
   
Re "And it all started from me just "trying" it 
one day": That does sound like an addiction ;-)

Phil W7OX



On 1/24/15 7:58 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
> I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
> Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
> And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.

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From edouard at lafargue.name  Sat Jan 24 14:08:34 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:08:34 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <54C3E937.7040408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C3E937.7040408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsXNe3s47TsXcpsGX17mCvUk6+9aFQ_Oddyv88znZKz3YA@mail.gmail.com>

  Thanks everyone for your super valuable input!  "Flatten" it was. Very
strange how much difference checking this box makes when just moving from
USB to DATA without touching anything else! I'll dig deeper in the
documentation to understand what's behind this setting, thanks for pointing
it out to me. And you are right, I need to set soundcard input super low
and AF fairly low to get a nice clean signal on WSJT.

   I'll be careful not to get hooked too much on J65 - I do like the
ragchew aspect of PSK31, and JT modes will definitely not let me do this,
that will help. But just monitoring is great fun.

   BTW: I am improving hamlib emulation in Wizkers so that I can have both
fldigi and WSJT (and others) share the radio, it's working pretty well now!
Stay tuned for a new release soon, which will also include super detailed
KXPA100 monitoring...

Enjoy your week-end!

73 de Ed W6ELA

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Fri,1/23/2015 8:51 PM, Edouard Lafargue wrote:
>
>> I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>> right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>> mode is not usable on that program!
>>
>
> WSJT-X works very well with K3 and KX3 set for Digital A. As others have
> noted, we need to set the bandwidth per mode. I don't know how to interpret
> the image you posted -- there's too little time on the waterfall, and no
> amplitude display.
>
> This almost looks like the sort of problem that could be from a miswired
> cable, or from not having equipment bonded together properly. You should be
> using the Line Input of the K3. When the Line Input is selected, the Mic
> Gain knob acts as Line Input Gain.
>
> See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf for detailed advice on
> Grounding, Bonding and Audio Interfacing.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jan 24 14:12:57 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:12:57 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C39A81.4000209@gmail.com>
References: <54C128DA.8070607@gmail.com>	<54C1BE51.1010007@wi.rr.com>	<54C2E844.1010504@wi.rr.com>	<54C2EC57.1080703@gmail.com>	<54C30131.4010105@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<54C39A81.4000209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C3EEB9.7020309@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,1/24/2015 5:13 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> Guys it is a project! No need to be throwing out personal statements 
> like that! Sorry for being "misguided" guess I wont make that mistake 
> again here! 

Misguided is not a "personal" statement.  it is advice from someone who 
knows how microphones and arrays of microphones work that what you are 
pursuing is a really bad idea.

73, Jim K9YC

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 14:32:19 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:32:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C3EEB9.7020309@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54C3EEB9.7020309@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <538637063.438601.1422127939275.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I want to point out one thing about all of this "It's AMATEUR Radio".
Last week another list member was hammered on for finding a Bug that even I could replicate here.
(Strangely I do not recall anyone making a public apology to that man).

So the guy here made a mic and it worked for him and he wanted to share his PROJECT.(Yea I made that same mistake when I found better quality and quieter fans for my K3).
Maybe someone could have say Hey that's cool but in my Professional experience we found that X.


PS: I work on stuff that is Real Life and Death when it goes down and AMATEUR radio is far from that.


 

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 14:37:31 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:37:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAJVEXsXNe3s47TsXcpsGX17mCvUk6+9aFQ_Oddyv88znZKz3YA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsXNe3s47TsXcpsGX17mCvUk6+9aFQ_Oddyv88znZKz3YA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1761247843.441205.1422128251286.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I have not played much with WSJT-X (I have been using JT65 Comfort)
But as I recall the display did have a slope to it and there was a check-box that did flatten it.
One thing I did was to make a JT65 Macro that set my filter bandwidth?
===============================================================================?JT65 - 2.2KHz Bandwidth===============================================================================?MD6;DT0;BW0220;IS 1250;-------------------------------------------------------------------------------?MD6; ? ? = Set Mode to "DATA"?DT0; ? ? = Data Mode to "DATA A"?BW0220; ?= Bandwidth to 2.2KHz?IS 1250; = IF Shift Center Frequency 1.25KHz (Must have space in command)===============================================================================





      From: Edouard Lafargue <edouard at lafargue.name>
 To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
   
? Thanks everyone for your super valuable input!? "Flatten" it was. Very
strange how much difference checking this box makes when just moving from
USB to DATA without touching anything else! I'll dig deeper in the
documentation to understand what's behind this setting, thanks for pointing
it out to me. And you are right, I need to set soundcard input super low
and AF fairly low to get a nice clean signal on WSJT.

? I'll be careful not to get hooked too much on J65 - I do like the
ragchew aspect of PSK31, and JT modes will definitely not let me do this,
that will help. But just monitoring is great fun.

? BTW: I am improving hamlib emulation in Wizkers so that I can have both
fldigi and WSJT (and others) share the radio, it's working pretty well now!
Stay tuned for a new release soon, which will also include super detailed
KXPA100 monitoring...

Enjoy your week-end!

73 de Ed W6ELA

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Fri,1/23/2015 8:51 PM, Edouard Lafargue wrote:
>
>> I tried JT65 for the first time today (there is a first for everything,
>> right?), and to my surprise, I discovered that for some reason, the DATA
>> mode is not usable on that program!
>>
>
> WSJT-X works very well with K3 and KX3 set for Digital A. As others have
> noted, we need to set the bandwidth per mode. I don't know how to interpret
> the image you posted -- there's too little time on the waterfall, and no
> amplitude display.
>
> This almost looks like the sort of problem that could be from a miswired
> cable, or from not having equipment bonded together properly. You should be
> using the Line Input of the K3. When the Line Input is selected, the Mic
> Gain knob acts as Line Input Gain.
>
> See http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf for detailed advice on
> Grounding, Bonding and Audio Interfacing.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 14:45:53 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:45:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1969745491.433186.1422128709432.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C3F443.8010001@gmail.com>
	<1969745491.433186.1422128709432.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1210414753.440998.1422128753937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Gary on Behalf of the Board I will extend an apology to you, some here take the Hobby far to serious.

I personally enjoy it when someone tries something and shares it and we all learn from it.
I've been a Ham for a lot of years and I've seen a lot of things tried that you would think would never work but did.Though my favorite was when I flew RC aircraft and we had a Guy who against all convention used One Bladed Props.





 

     From: Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
   
Nice post Harry. And did you notice still no technical backup?

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org



On 1/24/2015 2:32 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I want to point out one thing about all of this "It's AMATEUR Radio".
> Last week another list member was hammered on for finding a Bug that even I could replicate here.
> (Strangely I do not recall anyone making a public apology to that man).
>
> So the guy here made a mic and it worked for him and he wanted to share his PROJECT.(Yea I made that same mistake when I found better quality and quieter fans for my K3).
> Maybe someone could have say Hey that's cool but in my Professional experience we found that X.
>
>
> PS: I work on stuff that is Real Life and Death when it goes down and AMATEUR radio is far from that.
>
>
>? 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From zabarnick at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 14:53:35 2015
From: zabarnick at gmail.com (zabarnick .)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Replacement K1 speaker needed
Message-ID: <CALWVv_PHyhME09RMbUNrO9e77wuANK+QuN7Wn4Eq567898rxWg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a K1 speaker that they no longer need? This is the
2.5 inch speaker that is no longer used when the KBT1 battery option
is installed.

My speaker started buzzing and needs to be replaced.

Please contact me off list: zabarnick at gmail.com

Steve N9SZ

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jan 24 16:45:08 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:45:08 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1210414753.440998.1422128753937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C3F443.8010001@gmail.com>
	<1969745491.433186.1422128709432.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1210414753.440998.1422128753937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F5F0936-1F0B-45B7-9005-7845B61C7BA1@wunderwood.org>

I?m confused. ?Misguided? means that someone is headed in a wrong direction. Sharing expertise to help someone out shouldn?t require an apology. Should I apologize for being an Elmer? Should I let people use poor engineering practices to avoid hurting anyone?s feelings?

We want people to have more successful projects, avoiding well-known dead ends.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Gary on Behalf of the Board I will extend an apology to you, some here take the Hobby far to serious.
> 
> I personally enjoy it when someone tries something and shares it and we all learn from it.
> I've been a Ham for a lot of years and I've seen a lot of things tried that you would think would never work but did.Though my favorite was when I flew RC aircraft and we had a Guy who against all convention used One Bladed Props.
> 
>     From: Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com>
> To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> 
> Nice post Harry. And did you notice still no technical backup?
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/24/2015 2:32 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> I want to point out one thing about all of this "It's AMATEUR Radio".
>> Last week another list member was hammered on for finding a Bug that even I could replicate here.
>> (Strangely I do not recall anyone making a public apology to that man).
>> 
>> So the guy here made a mic and it worked for him and he wanted to share his PROJECT.(Yea I made that same mistake when I found better quality and quieter fans for my K3).
>> Maybe someone could have say Hey that's cool but in my Professional experience we found that X.
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I work on stuff that is Real Life and Death when it goes down and AMATEUR radio is far from that.
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>> Message delivered to nc3z.gary at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Sat Jan 24 17:17:38 2015
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:17:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT question
Message-ID: <CACYeN9yR37nHSmhyX4WuBRT378i8CGcWCE=yA03T5c8OdoPFXw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting ready to add a RX array which includes remote preamps and an
NCC-1 phasing unit.

I'm planning on sending PTT to the NCC-1 which will in turn kill power to
the preamps. As I understand the manual upon key down the PTT line goes
active immediately followed by a default 8ms delay before RF.

Is that correct? The unstated part in the manual is that PTT is immediate
with key down.

If that is correct then that will satisfy the 5ms requirement of the
preamps.

Thanks

Jim ab3cv

From jwiley at gci.net  Sat Jan 24 17:43:57 2015
From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:43:57 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT question
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9yR37nHSmhyX4WuBRT378i8CGcWCE=yA03T5c8OdoPFXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9yR37nHSmhyX4WuBRT378i8CGcWCE=yA03T5c8OdoPFXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C4202D.8050705@gci.net>

Jim -

Make sure your preamp(s) do not have internal electrolytic power 
filtering caps.  If they do, there is a fair chance the caps may hold 
the preamp on long enough for it to suffer damage.   But, I am wondering 
why you are using preamps at HF at all?  Unless the feedlines are 
extraordinarily long _and_ you are talking 15 or 10 meters.  We use a 
NCC-1 here with the main and "sense" antennas 200 or 300 feet from the 
shack, on 160, 80, and 40 meters, with no problems.  Careful use of the 
NCC-1's internal adjustable attenuators has solved any gain differential 
issues so far.

- Jim, KL7CC

On 1/24/2015 1:17 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm getting ready to add a RX array which includes remote preamps and an
> NCC-1 phasing unit.
>
> I'm planning on sending PTT to the NCC-1 which will in turn kill power to
> the preamps. As I understand the manual upon key down the PTT line goes
> active immediately followed by a default 8ms delay before RF.
>
> Is that correct? The unstated part in the manual is that PTT is immediate
> with key down.
>
> If that is correct then that will satisfy the 5ms requirement of the
> preamps.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:48:00 2015
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:48:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DF28F0C0-3B6E-4BE3-B2A7-921EB4673E87@gmail.com>

Too slow.  A rate of 12 Q/hour max is unappealing. 

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Re "And it all started from me just "trying" it one day": That does sound like an addiction ;-)
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 1/24/15 7:58 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
>> I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
>> Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
>> And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.
> 
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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:52:26 2015
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:52:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT question
In-Reply-To: <54C4202D.8050705@gci.net>
References: <CACYeN9yR37nHSmhyX4WuBRT378i8CGcWCE=yA03T5c8OdoPFXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C4202D.8050705@gci.net>
Message-ID: <48B12228-45AC-466A-A799-D13309A799D6@gmail.com>

These are short verticals. HI-Z AL24. 

I'll ask about turnoff delay when I call DXE tomorrow. 

73

Jim ab3cv


On Jan 24, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Jim Wiley <jwiley at gci.net> wrote:

Jim - 

Make sure your preamp(s) do not have internal electrolytic power filtering caps.  If they do, there is a fair chance the caps may hold the preamp on long enough for it to suffer damage.   But, I am wondering why you are using preamps at HF at all?  Unless the feedlines are extraordinarily long and you are talking 15 or 10 meters.  We use a NCC-1 here with the main and "sense" antennas 200 or 300 feet from the shack, on 160, 80, and 40 meters, with no problems.  Careful use of the NCC-1's internal adjustable attenuators has solved any gain differential issues so far. 

- Jim, KL7CC
 
> On 1/24/2015 1:17 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm getting ready to add a RX array which includes remote preamps and an
> NCC-1 phasing unit.
> 
> I'm planning on sending PTT to the NCC-1 which will in turn kill power to
> the preamps. As I understand the manual upon key down the PTT line goes
> active immediately followed by a default 8ms delay before RF.
> 
> Is that correct? The unstated part in the manual is that PTT is immediate
> with key down.
> 
> If that is correct then that will satisfy the 5ms requirement of the
> preamps.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim ab3cv
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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:54:19 2015
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PTT question
In-Reply-To: <54C4202D.8050705@gci.net>
References: <CACYeN9yR37nHSmhyX4WuBRT378i8CGcWCE=yA03T5c8OdoPFXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C4202D.8050705@gci.net>
Message-ID: <7862B0F3-BE7A-4964-9380-DB55E737D42D@gmail.com>

Should have clarified: the preamps just match the short high impedence verticals to 75 ohms. Voltage gain is unity but obviously power gain. 

Jim ab3cv


On Jan 24, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Jim Wiley <jwiley at gci.net> wrote:

Jim - 

Make sure your preamp(s) do not have internal electrolytic power filtering caps.  If they do, there is a fair chance the caps may hold the preamp on long enough for it to suffer damage.   But, I am wondering why you are using preamps at HF at all?  Unless the feedlines are extraordinarily long and you are talking 15 or 10 meters.  We use a NCC-1 here with the main and "sense" antennas 200 or 300 feet from the shack, on 160, 80, and 40 meters, with no problems.  Careful use of the NCC-1's internal adjustable attenuators has solved any gain differential issues so far. 

- Jim, KL7CC
 
> On 1/24/2015 1:17 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm getting ready to add a RX array which includes remote preamps and an
> NCC-1 phasing unit.
> 
> I'm planning on sending PTT to the NCC-1 which will in turn kill power to
> the preamps. As I understand the manual upon key down the PTT line goes
> active immediately followed by a default 8ms delay before RF.
> 
> Is that correct? The unstated part in the manual is that PTT is immediate
> with key down.
> 
> If that is correct then that will satisfy the 5ms requirement of the
> preamps.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim ab3cv
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Jan 24 18:02:51 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:02:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <DF28F0C0-3B6E-4BE3-B2A7-921EB4673E87@gmail.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
	<DF28F0C0-3B6E-4BE3-B2A7-921EB4673E87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C4249B.80207@socal.rr.com>

Yes, for me too, Rick. But so is typing on my 
iPhone 5S:-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/24/15 2:48 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
> Too slow.  A rate of 12 Q/hour max is unappealing.
>
> 73,
> Rick wa6nhc
>
> Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable
>
>> On Jan 24, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Re "And it all started from me just "trying" it one day": That does sound like an addiction ;-)
>>
>> Phil W7OX
>>
>>> On 1/24/15 7:58 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
>>> I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
>>> Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
>>> And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.


From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 18:09:01 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:09:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Looking for a UK based expert to debug KSB2
In-Reply-To: <CAPFkiaufuZpfWiy3wySXdEF7nehQR4U_sdVq4gC2thd00QC_nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiaufuZpfWiy3wySXdEF7nehQR4U_sdVq4gC2thd00QC_nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7466E05E-0585-4CD2-9632-1D7FDF533C19@gmail.com>

If I recall,,,, there are two jumpers that you needed to add.
Frank KG9H

On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Gareth - M5KVK <m5kvk at m5kvk.org> wrote:

> OK, I have to admit defeat. I can't see what's wrong with the KSB2 board I
> built for my K2. I need somebody with more skill than I to take a look.
> 
> I'd prefer somebody in the UK, simply because of shipping costs.
> 
> If there is somebody who would be willing to put my board in their own K2
> and work out what the problem is, please email me direct at M5KVK at M5KVK
> dot ORG.
> 
> I'll send them the board to take a look and,hopefully, get it working. I'll
> pay reasonable costs of course.
> 
> 73 Gareth, M5KVK
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From happymoosephoto at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 18:11:26 2015
From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:11:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] DATA A mode and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <54C4249B.80207@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAJVEXsWOO6rTUyaaK2a7Po77B5pWA49Xm41BcdvTvMx0dtB88g@mail.gmail.com>
	<606584170.404608.1422115100152.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<54C3D948.5090700@socal.rr.com>
	<DF28F0C0-3B6E-4BE3-B2A7-921EB4673E87@gmail.com>
	<54C4249B.80207@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <FFA8AD64-5F39-4B1D-95CA-6AED437EB582@gmail.com>

But iOS allows to say your typing...  Still faster. :-)

I've tried JT modes at flea power and up to a half gallon.  Interesting but I still prefer cw and Q rates much higher. 

No, QRP is also uninteresting to me until I can do better than a stealth dipole and break the 300 country barrier (243 now).

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, for me too, Rick. But so is typing on my iPhone 5S :-) 
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 1/24/15 2:48 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
>> Too slow.  A rate of 12 Q/hour max is unappealing. 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Rick wa6nhc
>> 
>> Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable
>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Re "And it all started from me just "trying" it one day": That does sound like an addiction ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Phil W7OX
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/24/15 7:58 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> Be Careful with JT-65 it can be addicting
>>>> I have nearly every state on every band from 160-10 (and a number of them on 6)
>>>> Plus 104 countries (some on nearly every band as well)
>>>> And it all started from me just "trying" it one day.
> 

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 18:15:25 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:15:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <4F5F0936-1F0B-45B7-9005-7845B61C7BA1@wunderwood.org>
References: <4F5F0936-1F0B-45B7-9005-7845B61C7BA1@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <506299291.764257.1422141325055.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

>>>> We want people to have more successful projects, avoiding well-known dead ends. <<<<?
Just imagine Marconi considering his project a deadend? 
I'm sorry Walter, I have to disagree with you.?
Lets fast forward to the year 2005.

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Isn't Elmering about Nuturing?
((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS

      From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 3:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
   
I?m confused. ?Misguided? means that someone is headed in a wrong direction. Sharing expertise to help someone out shouldn?t require an apology. Should I apologize for being an Elmer? Should I let people use poor engineering practices to avoid hurting anyone?s feelings?

We want people to have more successful projects, avoiding well-known dead ends.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Gary on Behalf of the Board I will extend an apology to you, some here take the Hobby far to serious.
> 
> I personally enjoy it when someone tries something and shares it and we all learn from it.
> I've been a Ham for a lot of years and I've seen a lot of things tried that you would think would never work but did.Though my favorite was when I flew RC aircraft and we had a Guy who against all convention used One Bladed Props.
> 
>? ? From: Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com>
> To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> 
> Nice post Harry. And did you notice still no technical backup?
> 
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/24/2015 2:32 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> I want to point out one thing about all of this "It's AMATEUR Radio".
>> Last week another list member was hammered on for finding a Bug that even I could replicate here.
>> (Strangely I do not recall anyone making a public apology to that man).
>> 
>> So the guy here made a mic and it worked for him and he wanted to share his PROJECT.(Yea I made that same mistake when I found better quality and quieter fans for my K3).
>> Maybe someone could have say Hey that's cool but in my Professional experience we found that X.
>> 
>> 
>> PS: I work on stuff that is Real Life and Death when it goes down and AMATEUR radio is far from that.
>> 
>> 
>>? 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 18:23:06 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:23:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 audio issue
Message-ID: <AA342DD5-D119-4889-A3FD-84FFB9379112@yahoo.com>

My K2 started crackling and slowly lost its audio today. Sensitivity seems ok. Kinda sounds like one of my old tube rigs before I recap?.


Thanks

George NE2I



From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 24 20:34:55 2015
From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:34:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
Message-ID: <1422149695.98694.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands and modes.  I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.  For instance 20 mtrs:

14.005 CW - Memory 27

14.080 FSK D - Memory 28

14.195 USB - Memory 29


On 30 mtrs I have:

10.105 CW - Memory 24

10.120 CW - Memory 25

10.140 FSK D - Memory 26


However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the K3 from DATA A to FSK D.  I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it won't stay on FSK D  I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is the only one I have trouble with.  Has anyone seen this or know what I've done incorrectly?

Thanks.

Larry, KN8N

From haarsager at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 20:48:09 2015
From: haarsager at gmail.com (Dennis L. Haarsager)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PC not finding KUSB port
Message-ID: <CAKJw4D1oqvkC0ae5PPOFTSxkwy72y5zbz+w6DjNT+8ASTH+fWg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm doing firmware updates this weekend, and my KX3 and PX3 went fine after
installing the device driver using the KXUSB cable and a laptop running
Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.  However, I'm trying to use the same laptop with an
earlier KUSB cable to update my K3 and P3.  The cable is one using the
Prolific chip instead of the FTDI chip.  My P3 utility program says that
the COM port is closed and I can't scan for vacant COM ports.  However, my
computer device manager says it's hooked up to a Prolific USB to serial
adapter on COM5. I've tried installing the driver twice as the USB to
Serial Adapter page in the utility Help section suggests. This laptop has
only one USB port and I'm using it rather than a hub.

I've successfully used this KUSB with a different laptop running Windows 7
64-bit, but unfortunately my wife has it with her on a month-long trip to
Scotland.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

73,
?
?

Dennis L Haarsager,
?N7DH?

From k1nd at comcast.net  Sat Jan 24 21:19:56 2015
From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:19:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-2.7K Filter available NO MORE
In-Reply-To: <54C14C4B.4080505@comcast.net>
References: <54C14C4B.4080505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <54C452CC.9080801@comcast.net>

The KFL3A-2.7k  has found a new home
Cheers, Jan   K1ND

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 24 21:20:35 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 18:20:35 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
Message-ID: <54C452F3.1040006@sbcglobal.net>

I recently became aware that the Euro has hit a ten-year low against the 
US dollar.
Thus, if you've been wanting a Begali key or paddle, now is a good time 
to buy it.

I'm looking at this beauty:

http://www.i2rtf.com/html/sculpture_arrow.html

The only other straight key that I have is a Vibroplex.

Just a heads-up for anyone who is interested.
I have a Begali Sculpture paddle, and it's one of my favorites.
Excellent craftsmanship!

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 21:27:09 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNVpuhc2nhGBvdrwWFUwR8MKcizeak+4e5Zn8nYUFBshA@mail.gmail.com>

On Jan 24, 2015 7:25 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim....
>
> Check the keys on N3ZN's website.
>
> I have one of his straight keys and one of his paddles.   Wonderful keys!
> On Jan 24, 2015 7:20 PM, "Jim Lowman jmlowman at sbcglobal.net [KX3]" <
> KX3 at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I recently became aware that the Euro has hit a ten-year low against the
>> US dollar.
>> Thus, if you've been wanting a Begali key or paddle, now is a good time
>> to buy it.
>>
>> I'm looking at this beauty:
>>
>> http://www.i2rtf.com/html/sculpture_arrow.html
>>
>> The only other straight key that I have is a Vibroplex.
>>
>> Just a heads-up for anyone who is interested.
>> I have a Begali Sculpture paddle, and it's one of my favorites.
>> Excellent craftsmanship!
>>
>> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>  __._,_.___
>>   ------------------------------
>> Posted by: Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net>
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From ar at dseven.org  Sat Jan 24 21:32:23 2015
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 18:32:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat500 as wattmeter?
In-Reply-To: <E547B793-B76D-442D-B9B4-D0EEC86CD561@yahoo.com>
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"KPA500 Remote" might work for you - not sure if it has a "local" mode
(I've never used it), but I suppose you could run server and client on
the same PC if you had to ....

http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Mark N2qt via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> Yes I'd found that. What I was hoping for is a readout in watts, with a bargraph,
> like that provided with the W2 or the remote app for the KPA500.
>
> Mark. N2QT
>
>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The OPERATE tab of the KAT500 Utility shows the VFWD and VRFL as well as the VSWR.  It also shows the Bypass VSWR.  Perhaps that is what you are looking for.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 1/23/2015 6:36 PM, Mark N2qt via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Is there an app to take the fwd/ref information from a KAT500 to display on a computer
>>> monitor?
>>>
>>> Mark. N2QT
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From kd7gc at q.com  Sat Jan 24 21:34:23 2015
From: kd7gc at q.com (kd7gc)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:34:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
Message-ID: <000601d03847$50e060e0$f2a122a0$@com>

I currently have a Begali Magnetic Classic, and have ordered the 60th Aniversary special edition which is based on the Sculpture.  Mine is serial #72 out of a total of 214 that will ever be built.  My friend Stan, KH6CG has serial #69.  My next paddle will be the Stradivarius.  I love the Begali line.

 

73

N7MIT

 

 

 

Alan R. Downing

Phoenix, AZ

 

From: Ken G Kopp [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7597479h34 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:28 PM
To: kd7gc
Subject: OT: Good time to buy Begali products

 

On Jan 24, 2015 7:25 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <[hidden email]> wrote: 


> Jim.... 
> 
> Check the keys on N3ZN's website. 
> 
> I have one of his straight keys and one of his paddles.   Wonderful keys! 
> On Jan 24, 2015 7:20 PM, "Jim Lowman [hidden email] [KX3]" < 
> [hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I recently became aware that the Euro has hit a ten-year low against the 
>> US dollar. 
>> Thus, if you've been wanting a Begali key or paddle, now is a good time 
>> to buy it. 
>> 
>> I'm looking at this beauty: 
>> 
>> http://www.i2rtf.com/html/sculpture_arrow.html
>> 
>> The only other straight key that I have is a Vibroplex. 
>> 
>> Just a heads-up for anyone who is interested. 
>> I have a Begali Sculpture paddle, and it's one of my favorites. 
>> Excellent craftsmanship! 
>> 
>> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW 
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Sat Jan 24 22:15:57 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:15:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
Message-ID: <EFA0EE57104F4852BC27DCCDA201DD41@TDYDell>

Gary and all,

Whoa! Gary!  Don?t get your knickers in a knot.  Jim was NOT making a ?personal statement?, as you suggest.  He was, however, making a definitive comment based on knowledge and experience.  That?s all!  It would make no sense for him to make some ?wishy-washy? critique of your effort when he knows you are heading off in the wrong direction.  That could be just as confusing.  Of all the people on this reflector, Jim is possibly the most qualified to opine on your effort.  Apparently some of what you were trying to accomplish, and suggesting to others, could be seriously misleading as to the actual result!  I wouldn?t have known any better, nor would a lot of others, but Jim does, and said so.  In effect, all he said is ?you are wrong?, but he certainly did not do so in terminology to which you should take offense.  

I suspect what may have hurt your feelings was just learning that what you thought was a good idea really wasn?t!  Heck, we?ve all done that, and me probably more than others.  Just be grateful that someone was around, who has appropriate expertise, to prevent your error from becoming an even bigger one!  

If you are happy with your direction, that?s fine.  However, if what you suggest is inconsistent with the physics of the process, folks need to know that as well.  That?s a big part of the ?beauty? of this reflector.  There is a lot of real expertise out there, and I benefit from it regularly.  However, if I say something, and I?m on thin ice in doing so, I need to be prepared to be called on it.  I don?t want to go down a road that has a dead end, and I certainly don?t want to lead others down that same road!  All too often folks tend to take what they read as ?gospel? and run with it, so oversight is critical!  If we didn?t have people like Jim Brown participating on this reflector I wouldn?t learn much, and I?d probably be off beating my head against the wall on a regular basis!

Overall, I think you have a very nice project in process.  ?Rolling your own? microphone is a good thing, and can be very satisfying as a project.  I?ve had a lot of fun doing some of that, and using relatively cheap electret elements to revive old microphone housings, etc.  For a few dollars you can duplicate, if not improve on, the results you would get from expensive commercial alternatives.  

Dave W7AQK

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 22:25:45 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:25:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
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I also had one that did that I wound up just correcting it on the radio


      From: Larry Boekeloo <lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
   
I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands and modes.? I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.? For instance 20 mtrs:

14.005 CW - Memory 27

14.080 FSK D - Memory 28

14.195 USB - Memory 29


On 30 mtrs I have:

10.105 CW - Memory 24

10.120 CW - Memory 25

10.140 FSK D - Memory 26


However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the K3 from DATA A to FSK D.? I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it won't stay on FSK D? I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is the only one I have trouble with.? Has anyone seen this or know what I've done incorrectly?

Thanks.

Larry, KN8N
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Jan 24 22:33:53 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:33:53 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
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You are more than likely using BANK A and programming Bank B, or
vice-verse, with both programed the same this can happen.
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On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:25 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I also had one that did that I wound up just correcting it on the radio
> 
> 
>       From: Larry Boekeloo <lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net>
>  To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:34 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
>    
> I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands and modes.  I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.  For instance 20 mtrs:
> 
> 14.005 CW - Memory 27
> 
> 14.080 FSK D - Memory 28
> 
> 14.195 USB - Memory 29
> 
> 
> On 30 mtrs I have:
> 
> 10.105 CW - Memory 24
> 
> 10.120 CW - Memory 25
> 
> 10.140 FSK D - Memory 26
> 
> 
> However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the K3 from DATA A to FSK D.  I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it won't stay on FSK D  I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is the only one I have trouble with.  Has anyone seen this or know what I've done incorrectly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Larry, KN8N
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 24 22:55:23 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
In-Reply-To: <1422156833.8677.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
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as in both vfo A and B being programmed the same?



      From: David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
   
You are more than likely using BANK A and programming Bank B, or
vice-verse, with both programed the same this can happen.
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www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
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On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:25 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I also had one that did that I wound up just correcting it on the radio
> 
> 
>? ? ? From: Larry Boekeloo <lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net>
>? To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>? Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:34 PM
>? Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
>? ? 
> I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands and modes.? I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.? For instance 20 mtrs:
> 
> 14.005 CW - Memory 27
> 
> 14.080 FSK D - Memory 28
> 
> 14.195 USB - Memory 29
> 
> 
> On 30 mtrs I have:
> 
> 10.105 CW - Memory 24
> 
> 10.120 CW - Memory 25
> 
> 10.140 FSK D - Memory 26
> 
> 
> However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the K3 from DATA A to FSK D.? I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it won't stay on FSK D? I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is the only one I have trouble with.? Has anyone seen this or know what I've done incorrectly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Larry, KN8N
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From ke4rg at arrl.net  Sat Jan 24 23:25:18 2015
From: ke4rg at arrl.net (ke4rg at arrl.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K1 KFL1-4 KNB1 KAT1 SpkrGrill K1BKLT
Message-ID: <001201d03856$ed95e130$c8c1a390$@arrl.net>

Before I post this on eBay I thought I would give you guys a shot:

--------- eBay offering will say ---------

40, 30, 20, 15 with Noise Blanker, ATU, Speaker Grill, and Backlight.

The 2 band kit from Elecraft is $544. This 4 bander is no longer available!

One TINY scratch visible in one picture.  With this exception, the radio is
cosmetically

near perfect, no dents or dings, all screws correct and unmarred.

It functions to my satisfaction so I have not bothered rigorous tuning or
alignment.

You are bidding on the transceiver, a power cable, and the K1 assembly
manual.

Up-to-date documentation on K1-4 and options are available for free
download.

Guaranteed not DOA.  I will go further and CONDITIONALLY accept return if
you are not satisfied.

Contact me FIRST with reason, then return the radio (USPS Priority Mail
Large Flat Rate Box insured)

within 72 hours after receipt and (after verification of condition and
operation) I will refund your 

payment less my actual shipping, eBay, and PayPal costs.

Shipping by USPS Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box insured $20.

PayPal ONLY!  Domestic sale ONLY!  QRZ verified Amateur Licensees ONLY!

--------- END eBay offering ---------

For this group: $475 SHIPPED!

If no takers I will post on eBay after 0500 UTC Tuesday

Email me direct and I will send the photographs.

73's,

Ken - ke4rg at arrl.net

 

 


From ke4rg at arrl.net  Sat Jan 24 23:41:59 2015
From: ke4rg at arrl.net (ke4rg at arrl.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:41:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PC not finding KUSB port
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Looks like you are a victim of Prolific's end-of-life for certain pirated part numbers.  Any driver later than version 1.4 checks the chip ID and refuses to start (Error 10 Cannot Start) for 2303 parts HXA (and probably others).  Easy workaround is to MANUALLY  install version 1.4 of the Prolific driver.  When cable refuses to start (yellow mark, Error 10) you can then MANUALLY update (downgrade) the driver by selecting from the list of installed drivers.  BTW, this is a Windows 8 issue, XP apparently never tries to update to the rev 1.8 driver.  Email me off-list and I will try to remember the details.  The actual key-by-key instructions vary depending the OS version.  Perhaps others with more current experience can help.

Ken - ke4rg at arrl.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis L. Haarsager
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:48 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PC not finding KUSB port

I'm doing firmware updates this weekend, and my KX3 and PX3 went fine after installing the device driver using the KXUSB cable and a laptop running Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit. <snip> 


From wt5y at gt.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 00:33:01 2015
From: wt5y at gt.rr.com (John Cooper)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:33:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
Message-ID: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>

I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.  No schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage from 0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0 V between and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and ground.  Is this normal for a variac?

I was hooking up a electromagnet @5V with the variac off but plugged in and I got a 120V bite even when the dial is all the way to 0.  That?s why I started checking it. Ive been running my coil off it with no problems.


John Cooper WT5Y

From phils at riousa.com  Sun Jan 25 00:38:14 2015
From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 21:38:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net
Message-ID: <A05014EC-E536-4467-A2EB-FAC05478BF53@riousa.com>

The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  Stop by.

73,
Phil, NS7P


From rmcgaver at wi.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 02:23:39 2015
From: rmcgaver at wi.rr.com (Rick McGaver)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 00:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
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If my memory serves me right their pricing is consistent at Dayton, HIGH.  And no reflection on the Euro!
NK.  9G/7
Sent from my iPad

On Jan 24, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 24, 2015 7:25 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jim....
>> 
>> Check the keys on N3ZN's website.
>> 
>> I have one of his straight keys and one of his paddles.   Wonderful keys!
>> On Jan 24, 2015 7:20 PM, "Jim Lowman jmlowman at sbcglobal.net [KX3]" <
>> KX3 at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I recently became aware that the Euro has hit a ten-year low against the
>>> US dollar.
>>> Thus, if you've been wanting a Begali key or paddle, now is a good time
>>> to buy it.
>>> 
>>> I'm looking at this beauty:
>>> 
>>> http://www.i2rtf.com/html/sculpture_arrow.html
>>> 
>>> The only other straight key that I have is a Vibroplex.
>>> 
>>> Just a heads-up for anyone who is interested.
>>> I have a Begali Sculpture paddle, and it's one of my favorites.
>>> Excellent craftsmanship!
>>> 
>>> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
>>> __._,_.___
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> Posted by: Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net>
>>> ------------------------------
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>> 
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From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 03:45:14 2015
From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (M5KVK - Gareth)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:45:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Looking for a UK based expert to debug KSB2
In-Reply-To: <7466E05E-0585-4CD2-9632-1D7FDF533C19@gmail.com>
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	<7466E05E-0585-4CD2-9632-1D7FDF533C19@gmail.com>
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Thanks, Frank, however if you read the email traffic on here relating to this you'll see that we're a bit beyond any jumper problems. I wish it were that simple.

73, Gareth

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> On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:09, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If I recall,,,, there are two jumpers that you needed to add.
> Frank KG9H
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Gareth - M5KVK <m5kvk at m5kvk.org> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I have to admit defeat. I can't see what's wrong with the KSB2 board I
>> built for my K2. I need somebody with more skill than I to take a look.
>> 
>> I'd prefer somebody in the UK, simply because of shipping costs.
>> 
>> If there is somebody who would be willing to put my board in their own K2
>> and work out what the problem is, please email me direct at M5KVK at M5KVK
>> dot ORG.
>> 
>> I'll send them the board to take a look and,hopefully, get it working. I'll
>> pay reasonable costs of course.
>> 
>> 73 Gareth, M5KVK
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From w2up at comcast.net  Sun Jan 25 08:10:39 2015
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 06:10:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNVpuhc2nhGBvdrwWFUwR8MKcizeak+4e5Zn8nYUFBshA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1422191439555-7597492.post@n2.nabble.com>

Another endorsement for N3ZN paddles.  I own a ZN9 and very pleased with it. 
I had a Begali Graciella, too, and sold it when I downsized by station about
6 years ago.  kept the N3ZB paddle.  Both are outstanding, but, IMO, the ZN
is better bang for the buck (or Euro).

Barry W2UP


Ken G Kopp wrote
> On Jan 24, 2015 7:25 PM, "Ken G Kopp" &lt;

> kengkopp@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Jim....
>>
>> Check the keys on N3ZN's website.
>>
>> I have one of his straight keys and one of his paddles.   Wonderful keys!





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From nc3z.gary at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 08:20:55 2015
From: nc3z.gary at gmail.com (Gary - NC3Z)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
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References: <EFA0EE57104F4852BC27DCCDA201DD41@TDYDell>
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In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
"seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V.

I would of loved to see some data/research/reference as to why this wont 
work, there are a couple of articles (yes on the internet, but this list 
is also on the internet) out there that show that paralleling electrets 
are valid, so I figured I would play around with that configuration. I 
am by no means an expert on microphones and I am not saying I am right 
by any means but my experiment showed that it works, well it shows that 
it doesn't make it worse! I did a lot of on-air A/B testing to make sure 
that my audio was not being screwed up. I continued this path because 
the parallel configuration was receiving better reports.

Good enough, I will correct my error.

Gary Mitchelson
NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
www.mitchelson.org

On 1/24/2015 10:15 PM, dyarnes wrote:
> Gary and all,
>
> Whoa! Gary!  Don?t get your knickers in a knot.  Jim was NOT making a ?personal statement?, as you suggest.  He was, however, making a definitive comment based on knowledge and experience.  That?s all!  It would make no sense for him to make some ?wishy-washy? critique of your effort when he knows you are heading off in the wrong direction.  That could be just as confusing.  Of all the people on this reflector, Jim is possibly the most qualified to opine on your effort.  Apparently some of what you were trying to accomplish, and suggesting to others, could be seriously misleading as to the actual result!  I wouldn?t have known any better, nor would a lot of others, but Jim does, and said so.  In effect, all he said is ?you are wrong?, but he certainly did not do so in terminology to which you should take offense.
>
> I suspect what may have hurt your feelings was just learning that what you thought was a good idea really wasn?t!  Heck, we?ve all done that, and me probably more than others.  Just be grateful that someone was around, who has appropriate expertise, to prevent your error from becoming an even bigger one!
>
> If you are happy with your direction, that?s fine.  However, if what you suggest is inconsistent with the physics of the process, folks need to know that as well.  That?s a big part of the ?beauty? of this reflector.  There is a lot of real expertise out there, and I benefit from it regularly.  However, if I say something, and I?m on thin ice in doing so, I need to be prepared to be called on it.  I don?t want to go down a road that has a dead end, and I certainly don?t want to lead others down that same road!  All too often folks tend to take what they read as ?gospel? and run with it, so oversight is critical!  If we didn?t have people like Jim Brown participating on this reflector I wouldn?t learn much, and I?d probably be off beating my head against the wall on a regular basis!
>
> Overall, I think you have a very nice project in process.  ?Rolling your own? microphone is a good thing, and can be very satisfying as a project.  I?ve had a lot of fun doing some of that, and using relatively cheap electret elements to revive old microphone housings, etc.  For a few dollars you can duplicate, if not improve on, the results you would get from expensive commercial alternatives.
>
> Dave W7AQK
>


From ockmrzr at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 08:28:38 2015
From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reverse Split???
Message-ID: <014e01d038a2$d45dd140$7d1973c0$@verizon.net>

Worked S01WS on 30m backwards last night.  By that I mean I wasn't hearing
him on the Main RX and just happen to be listening to the Sub RX, tuning
around for the pile-up, when I realized I was hearing him and not the
pile-up on the Sub.

I checked and double checked the settings for both RX to ensure I didn't
have something turned on the Main that was causing me not to be able to hear
him. Both Main and Sub were set up the same.  I could hear him on the Sub,
but not the Main, weird.

Also, playing in the 160 m contest, I noticed that the Main RX is hearing
signals the Sub is not.  Even when I have both on the same Freq there is a
noticeable difference in what the Main and Sub are hearing.

Ideas?

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD



From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Jan 25 09:36:13 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 06:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
In-Reply-To: <847281726.22982.1422158123866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1422156833.8677.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<847281726.22982.1422158123866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1422196573.8677.60.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

Hi,
No...  There are TWO banks of CW memory.  Not VFO, but banks of memory
for CW...  Look at the programming tool, and you will see BANK 1 and
BANK 2.  

Press and hold REC button on your K3 to switch between BANK 1, and BANK
2.
 
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
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for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:55 +0000, Harry Yingst wrote:
> as in both vfo A and B being programmed the same?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
> 
> 
> You are more than likely using BANK A and programming Bank B, or
> vice-verse, with both programed the same this can happen.
> -- 
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:25 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > I also had one that did that I wound up just correcting it on the
> radio
> > 
> > 
> >      From: Larry Boekeloo <lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net>
> >  To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> >  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:34 PM
> >  Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
> >    
> > I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands
> and modes.  I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.  For
> instance 20 mtrs:
> > 
> > 14.005 CW - Memory 27
> > 
> > 14.080 FSK D - Memory 28
> > 
> > 14.195 USB - Memory 29
> > 
> > 
> > On 30 mtrs I have:
> > 
> > 10.105 CW - Memory 24
> > 
> > 10.120 CW - Memory 25
> > 
> > 10.140 FSK D - Memory 26
> > 
> > 
> > However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the
> K3 from DATA A to FSK D.  I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it
> won't stay on FSK D  I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is
> the only one I have trouble with.  Has anyone seen this or know what
> I've done incorrectly?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Larry, KN8N
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jan 25 09:47:30 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:47:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
In-Reply-To: <1422196573.8677.60.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
References: <1422156833.8677.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
	<847281726.22982.1422158123866.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1422196573.8677.60.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>
Message-ID: <92E97755-F047-48BC-A905-9EC99CC3A746@elecraft.com>

I think we may be confusing different kinds of memory.

There are CW message memories, in two banks.

There are frequency memories that store VFO frequencies and modes, more than a hundred of these...

There are also memories for storing strings of commands (macros).

Dick, K6KR





> On Jan 25, 2015, at 08:36, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> No...  There are TWO banks of CW memory.  Not VFO, but banks of memory
> for CW...  Look at the programming tool, and you will see BANK 1 and
> BANK 2.  
> 
> Press and hold REC button on your K3 to switch between BANK 1, and BANK
> 2.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> for MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> for Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> for MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:55 +0000, Harry Yingst wrote:
>> as in both vfo A and B being programmed the same?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> From: David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
>> 
>> 
>> You are more than likely using BANK A and programming Bank B, or
>> vice-verse, with both programed the same this can happen.
>> -- 
>> Thanks and 73's,
>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
>> www.nk7z.net
>> for MixW support see;
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
>> for Dopplergram information see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
>> for MM-SSTV see:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 03:25 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I also had one that did that I wound up just correcting it on the
>> radio
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     From: Larry Boekeloo <lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:34 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Question
>>> 
>>> I have my K3 memories setup so I can hop and skip around the bands
>> and modes.  I use the K3 memory manager and it works well.  For
>> instance 20 mtrs:
>>> 
>>> 14.005 CW - Memory 27
>>> 
>>> 14.080 FSK D - Memory 28
>>> 
>>> 14.195 USB - Memory 29
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30 mtrs I have:
>>> 
>>> 10.105 CW - Memory 24
>>> 
>>> 10.120 CW - Memory 25
>>> 
>>> 10.140 FSK D - Memory 26
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the
>> K3 from DATA A to FSK D.  I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but it
>> won't stay on FSK D  I have every band set up like that and 30 mtrs is
>> the only one I have trouble with.  Has anyone seen this or know what
>> I've done incorrectly?
>>> 
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From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 09:51:21 2015
From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <E40F97C3-AE12-422A-9150-2F19A5C1E1D5@wi.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNVpuhc2nhGBvdrwWFUwR8MKcizeak+4e5Zn8nYUFBshA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E40F97C3-AE12-422A-9150-2F19A5C1E1D5@wi.rr.com>
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That is incorrect.  The purchase price is directly affected by the exchange
rate.  They even provide a link to xe.com on their website so you can
figure out the actual cost in $USD.  Be aware that there is still an
exchange rate fee charged by your bank when you make the transaction, so
the final cost will still be higher than the price calculated in xe.com.

73, Tony K4QE

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Rick McGaver <rmcgaver at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> If my memory serves me right their pricing is consistent at Dayton, HIGH.
> And no reflection on the Euro!
> NK.  9G/7
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 24, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 24, 2015 7:25 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jim....
> >>
> >> Check the keys on N3ZN's website.
> >>
> >> I have one of his straight keys and one of his paddles.   Wonderful
> keys!
> >> On Jan 24, 2015 7:20 PM, "Jim Lowman jmlowman at sbcglobal.net [KX3]" <
> >> KX3 at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I recently became aware that the Euro has hit a ten-year low against
> the
> >>> US dollar.
> >>> Thus, if you've been wanting a Begali key or paddle, now is a good time
> >>> to buy it.
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at this beauty:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.i2rtf.com/html/sculpture_arrow.html
> >>>
> >>> The only other straight key that I have is a Vibroplex.
> >>>
> >>> Just a heads-up for anyone who is interested.
> >>> I have a Begali Sculpture paddle, and it's one of my favorites.
> >>> Excellent craftsmanship!
> >>>
> >>> 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW
> >>> __._,_.___
> >>>  ------------------------------
> >>> Posted by: Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>    Reply via web post
> >>> <
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/messages/50721;_ylc=X3oDMTJybWo4dmJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc0NTIwOTQ3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAM1MDcyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MjIxNTI0Mjc-?act=reply&messageNum=50721
> >
> >>> ?  Reply to sender
> >>> <
> jmlowman at sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20Good%20time%20to%20buy%20Begali%20products
> >
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 11:24:29 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:24:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <E40F97C3-AE12-422A-9150-2F19A5C1E1D5@wi.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNVpuhc2nhGBvdrwWFUwR8MKcizeak+4e5Zn8nYUFBshA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E40F97C3-AE12-422A-9150-2F19A5C1E1D5@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54C518BD.9050600@socal.rr.com>

On line prices are in Euros, so a more favorable 
exchange rate will reduce the price in $US -- if 
ordered on line.

Phil W7OX

On 1/24/15 11:23 PM, Rick McGaver wrote:
> If my memory serves me right their pricing is consistent at Dayton, HIGH.  And no reflection on the Euro!
> NK.  9G/7
> Sent from my iPad


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jan 25 11:24:28 2015
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:24:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
In-Reply-To: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
References: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
Message-ID: <54C518BC.3010601@kanafi.org>

On 1/24/2015 9:33 PM, John Cooper wrote:

> I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.
> No schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage
> from 0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0
> V between and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and
> ground.  Is this normal for a variac?

Absolutely not!  This is not only dangerous, it is potentially lethal.
If there is a "UL" label on it, no doubt it is counterfeit.  II have
been using real Variacs and its competing US-brand devices for decades
and have never run across something as egregious as that.

Were I in your shoes I would cut off the cord and throw the device in
the metal recycle bin.  You have no idea what other dangerous things
were incorporated by accident or by intention.

This is not personal - but you get what you pay for.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
Registered Professional Engineer (Electrical)

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From knowkode at verizon.net  Sun Jan 25 11:44:32 2015
From: knowkode at verizon.net (Jim Hoge)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 16:44:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <54C518BD.9050600@socal.rr.com>
References: <54C518BD.9050600@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2089766724.38909.1422204272148.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Regarding Begali's prices at Dayton, they are directly related to the exchange rate. Also, you are not paying for shipping. 

As for exchange fees, Paypal does a good job of making you dig for the information but you can determine the fee prior to making a transaction. To do so, follow these instructions: log in to your account, click on profile, click on my money, click on currency, enter the required information, then click on calculate.
The last time I made a payment in Euros, I think Paypal added about 2.5 points to the exchange rate. Even with that, the cost of dollars to Euros is still at bargain levels compared to what it has been.I don't need any more keys but I must satisfy the K3's lust for a new one now and again so I, er, my K3 is sorely tempted to purchase another one given the current exchange rate.
73,Jim W5QM 

     On Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:25 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
   

 On line prices are in Euros, so a more favorable 
exchange rate will reduce the price in $US -- if 
ordered on line.

Phil W7OX

On 1/24/15 11:23 PM, Rick McGaver wrote:
> If my memory serves me right their pricing is consistent at Dayton, HIGH.? And no reflection on the Euro!
> NK.? 9G/7
> Sent from my iPad

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From pincon at erols.com  Sun Jan 25 11:53:39 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
References: <54C518BD.9050600@socal.rr.com>
	<2089766724.38909.1422204272148.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4451F15F56AE4B4A945FD10DD61E2FCB@pinnacle05df05>

I think there's a matter of semantics here.

I believe the comment that "the exchange rate will not affect Dayton prices" 
can be interpreted as Begali will NOT purposely raise their prices BECAUSE 
of the exchange rate.

As the dollar gets stronger, it means their prices will yield the same in 
Euro as before, except that it will take fewer dollars to buy them.

73, Charlie k3ICH


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hoge" <knowkode at verizon.net>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products


> Regarding Begali's prices at Dayton, they are directly related to the 
> exchange rate. Also, you are not paying for shipping.
>
> As for exchange fees, Paypal does a good job of making you dig for the 
> information but you can determine the fee prior to making a transaction. 
> To do so, follow these instructions: log in to your account, click on 
> profile, click on my money, click on currency, enter the required 
> information, then click on calculate.
> The last time I made a payment in Euros, I think Paypal added about 2.5 
> points to the exchange rate. Even with that, the cost of dollars to Euros 
> is still at bargain levels compared to what it has been.I don't need any 
> more keys but I must satisfy the K3's lust for a new one now and again so 
> I, er, my K3 is sorely tempted to purchase another one given the current 
> exchange rate.
> 73,Jim W5QM
>
>     On Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:25 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
> On line prices are in Euros, so a more favorable
> exchange rate will reduce the price in $US -- if
> ordered on line.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/24/15 11:23 PM, Rick McGaver wrote:
>> If my memory serves me right their pricing is consistent at Dayton, HIGH. 
>> And no reflection on the Euro!
>> NK. 9G/7
>> Sent from my iPad
>
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Sun Jan 25 11:57:29 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:57:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
In-Reply-To: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
References: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W50A9E703DC3042AD0FC111BF340@phx.gbl>

 John,
I have one that sounds similar to yours.  I tested, and it is okay.
There is a typo in your post so that I cannot tell for sure what you are describing for voltage points, but I suspect your power cord may not be orientated correctly.
Dick, n0ce
 
Ohm Sweet Ohm
 
 
 




 
> From: wt5y at gt.rr.com
> To: tesla at pupman.com; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:33:01 -0600
> Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
> 
> I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.  No schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage from 0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0 V between and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and ground.  Is this normal for a variac?
> 
> I was hooking up a electromagnet @5V with the variac off but plugged in and I got a 120V bite even when the dial is all the way to 0.  That?s why I started checking it. Ive been running my coil off it with no problems.
> 
> 
> John Cooper WT5Y
>
 		 	   		  

From ke4rg at arrl.net  Sun Jan 25 12:19:03 2015
From: ke4rg at arrl.net (ke4rg at arrl.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
In-Reply-To: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
References: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
Message-ID: <001d01d038c3$05295f40$0f7c1dc0$@arrl.net>

Just to be safe, you might want to check the outlet into which you have connected this variac.  If the hot and neutral are reversed, of if the neutral and ground are not bonded in the distribution panel you might see problems like this!  I have a similar inexpensive variac that I use on my home-brew hot-wire cutter.  I haven't poked around with volt meter, but I haven't been bitten either/yet!
Ken - ke4rg

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Cooper
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:33 AM
To: tesla reflector; Elecraft reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question

I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.  No schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage from 0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0 V between and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and ground.  Is this normal for a variac?

I was hooking up a electromagnet @5V with the variac off but plugged in and I got a 120V bite even when the dial is all the way to 0.  That s why I started checking it. Ive been running my coil off it with no problems.


John Cooper WT5Y
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From rick.prather at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 12:32:00 2015
From: rick.prather at gmail.com (Rick Prather)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:32:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C4EDB7.70002@gmail.com>
References: <EFA0EE57104F4852BC27DCCDA201DD41@TDYDell>
	<54C4EDB7.70002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAEtO3nu9Hq9GO0PgVW2vo5HEAMo8oBqdPVTLY9qdpWCK4uPhg@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

Now I remember why I only rarely post on this list.

Rick
K6LE
Not an engineer
Not a retired expert in anything
Just a ham.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than
> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot.
> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V.
>
> I would of loved to see some data/research/reference as to why this wont
> work, there are a couple of articles (yes on the internet, but this list is
> also on the internet) out there that show that paralleling electrets are
> valid, so I figured I would play around with that configuration. I am by no
> means an expert on microphones and I am not saying I am right by any means
> but my experiment showed that it works, well it shows that it doesn't make
> it worse! I did a lot of on-air A/B testing to make sure that my audio was
> not being screwed up. I continued this path because the parallel
> configuration was receiving better reports.
>
> Good enough, I will correct my error.
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun Jan 25 12:42:22 2015
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
Message-ID: <54C52AFE.1070800@mebtel.net>

I recently had the pleasure of using an N3ZN AB7CE key during the CQ WW 
CQ contest and it was fantastic!

If you are looking at Italian paddles, be sure to check out Alberto 
Frattini's jewelry at:

http://www.i1qod.it/prima.htm

I use a "Chrome Iambic" and it is the best paddle I have ever used, but 
of course paddles are a personal preference!

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jan 25 12:48:22 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:48:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <54C52C66.3080601@coho.net>

Good Day,
    Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jan 25 12:48:28 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:48:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C4EDB7.70002@gmail.com>
References: <EFA0EE57104F4852BC27DCCDA201DD41@TDYDell>
	<54C4EDB7.70002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C52C6C.9030002@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 

Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.

There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
electrically, degrading the performance of each.

Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
parallel does not make them work better.

When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
to them for their recording.

73, Jim K9YC


From nz0tham at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 13:26:20 2015
From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:26:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] 5.04 and CQ 160 contest
Message-ID: <1422210380121-7597508.post@n2.nabble.com>

I participated in the CQ 160 CW contest this weekend which was my first
contest after loading Beta 5.04.  The changed QSK was very evident and
greatly reduced listening fatigue!  Thanks Elecraft.

73 Bill NZ0T



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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 25 13:56:12 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:56:12 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Spit mode off dial frequency
Message-ID: <201501251856.t0PIuCun039332@huffman.acsalaska.net>

I had a strange situation yesterday while running on 2m eme.

I use a sw program called MAP65 which uses JT65 for Tx/Rx.  MAP65 
allows one to watch a wide bandspan up to 90-KHz (similar to a 
panadaptor).  To operate VFO-A is set to the middle frequency of the 
span one wants to observe and one clicks the waterfall display to 
chose a particular frequency to operate on.  In order to transmit 
there one has to operate split mode so VFO-B controls the Tx.  All 
fine so far, but...

Yesterday when I attempted to operate in split mode my actual 
transmit frequency was +1.5 KHz from what the dial on VFO-B 
showed??  Turning off split and frequency transmitted was what was 
shown on VFO-A (which is normal).  I have no offsets set in the 
menu?  RIT and XIT were off.

Later I tested the radio on 28-MHz by itself and split mode 
transmitted what VFO-B shows on the dial.  But putting the radio back 
on 2m (transverter mode) and frequency was off again using split mode.

I used my EIP538 frequency counter to measure transmit frequency 
(counter is within 1-Hz of my Rubidium frequency source so very accurate).

Well I found out why this was happening (by exploring my manual).  In 
the Menu is a setting called SPLIT SV and it was set=YES.  Turning it 
to "NO" removed the offset.  I have no idea what exactly this setting 
does but that solved the issue.  I even had penciled it "yes" as the 
correct setting back when I got the radio (2010).  SPLIT SV has to do 
with something with saving SPLIT, RIT, and XIT by band.

If I have a 2m frequency error its normally corrected by XV1 OFS 
setting.  What SPLIT SV accomplishes is beyond me.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 13:58:32 2015
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:58:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 5.04 and CQ 160 contest
In-Reply-To: <1422210380121-7597508.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1422210380121-7597508.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54C53CD8.5060104@tx.rr.com>

I heartily second that. I ran a pretty serious effort in NAQP CW last 
weekend and did a little bit of search & pounce in CQ 160 Friday and 
Saturday nights. The QSK audio artifacts are essentially gone, making 
for a much more pleasurable contest experience, whether digging for weak 
signals on 160 or running on a crowded band like 20. Well done!

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 1/25/2015 12:26 PM, NZ0T wrote:
> I participated in the CQ 160 CW contest this weekend which was my first
> contest after loading Beta 5.04.  The changed QSK was very evident and
> greatly reduced listening fatigue!  Thanks Elecraft.
>
> 73 Bill NZ0T


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 25 14:20:28 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark,  KE6BB via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:20:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
Message-ID: <nbcu53lpowfh0wic3qef990v.1422209336434@email.android.com>

Rick wrote: ?"Now I remember why I only rarely post on this list..."

Same here, Rick. ?I monitor this list to receive information from Elecraft, and to see what problems others are having with their radios. ?

I have little interest in most of the technical discussions, since they can rapidly deteriorate into ego contests. ? That is not necessarily the fault of this list, nor of those on this list. ?It is simply the nature of one-way text discussions, and people with strong technical backgrounds. ?That is why e- mail has not completely replaced meetings and video conferencing in the business world.

Mark
KE6BB?
Rapidly wearing out my "Delete" key

From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Sun Jan 25 14:34:07 2015
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:34:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
Message-ID: <AABLNLTMSA25RYBA@smtpout04.vgs.untd.com>



^there is a good article in this months QST on building a mike
suitable for a K3,KX3

Bob K3DJC


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 25 15:31:46 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:31:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <54C52C6C.9030002@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <54C52C6C.9030002@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <1265114105.140244.1422217906398.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Can you please provide a reference for this?


      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
   
On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 

Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.

There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
electrically, degrading the performance of each.

Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
parallel does not make them work better.

When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
to them for their recording.

73, Jim K9YC



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jan 25 15:57:09 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:57:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1265114105.140244.1422217906398.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C52C6C.9030002@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<1265114105.140244.1422217906398.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC4C8DAE-E308-4BCD-B3FA-5FF07F934272@wunderwood.org>

You could start with these two, read ?close miking? in the Wikipedia article. The second article is about speech recording for oral historians, so that is fairly applicable to voice communications. Neither article even mentions using multiple microphones for one person. The Wikipedia article section on stereo recording gives a hint of some of the strange things that can happen with multiple mics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone_practice
http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/2012/06/understanding-microphones/

Multiple microphones act very similar to phased arrays of antennas. They have directionality and nulls that change with frequency. With a source in one position, they can have a frequency response with a number of peaks and nulls. This is called ?comb filtering?.

This article goes over that, including the 3-to-1 rule: "There is a popular microphone placement adage that is known as the 3 to 1 Rule. The 3 to 1 Rule says that if multiple microphones can hear the same source, then no other microphone should be less than 3 times the distance to the source for the microphone nearest the source. In other words, if a person is talking into a microphone that is one foot away from them, then no other microphone in the room should be closer than 3 feet away from that person in order to minimize comb filtering."

http://support.biamp.com/Tesira/Miscellaneous/Comb_filters

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 25, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Can you please provide a reference for this?
> 
> 
>      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> 
> On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
>> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
>> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 
> 
> Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
> appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
> reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.
> 
> There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
> really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
> radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
> electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
> converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
> collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
> sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
> results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
> world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
> electrically, degrading the performance of each.
> 
> Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
> mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
> single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
> parallel does not make them work better.
> 
> When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
> that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
> side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
> cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
> reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
> engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
> I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
> in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
> me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
> failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
> to them for their recording.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
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From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun Jan 25 16:15:44 2015
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:15:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 showing mirrored display
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45op889ZL-5ip9c_Fh-dpFGbAyNomy-C_xSW7f_GqB81PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

This morning when I turned on my KX3/PX3/KXPA100 combination, the display
on the PX3 seems to be mirrored to the right/left of the frequency marker.
I'm sure I've changed a setting somewhere to cause this, but I don't know
which one. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to resolve this, I already
restored configuration to one from the 23rd of December when this was
working correclty on my KX3 and PX3 with no luck.

Thank you,
David

From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun Jan 25 16:31:26 2015
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:31:26 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 showing mirrored display
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45op889ZL-5ip9c_Fh-dpFGbAyNomy-C_xSW7f_GqB81PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45op889ZL-5ip9c_Fh-dpFGbAyNomy-C_xSW7f_GqB81PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45riDfBRMJ7nWqWWkGO4=T_FXsTfVajM8r-VQ=M-cXLeaw@mail.gmail.com>

Bill F. helped me out, in case other people run into this - I re-seated all
the cables (he mentioned the I/Q cable specifically, but I did all just in
case) and this solved the problem.

David

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:15 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This morning when I turned on my KX3/PX3/KXPA100 combination, the display
> on the PX3 seems to be mirrored to the right/left of the frequency marker.
> I'm sure I've changed a setting somewhere to cause this, but I don't know
> which one. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to resolve this, I already
> restored configuration to one from the 23rd of December when this was
> working correclty on my KX3 and PX3 with no luck.
>
> Thank you,
> David
>

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 25 16:40:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:40:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <CC4C8DAE-E308-4BCD-B3FA-5FF07F934272@wunderwood.org>
References: <CC4C8DAE-E308-4BCD-B3FA-5FF07F934272@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <1126139770.145933.1422222018181.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Anything Specific to just the actual elements being in parallel?
I do now there is one commercial mic doing this and is supposed to have good reviews.



      From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
   
You could start with these two, read ?close miking? in the Wikipedia article. The second article is about speech recording for oral historians, so that is fairly applicable to voice communications. Neither article even mentions using multiple microphones for one person. The Wikipedia article section on stereo recording gives a hint of some of the strange things that can happen with multiple mics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone_practice
http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/2012/06/understanding-microphones/

Multiple microphones act very similar to phased arrays of antennas. They have directionality and nulls that change with frequency. With a source in one position, they can have a frequency response with a number of peaks and nulls. This is called ?comb filtering?.

This article goes over that, including the 3-to-1 rule: "There is a popular microphone placement adage that is known as the 3 to 1 Rule. The 3 to 1 Rule says that if multiple microphones can hear the same source, then no other microphone should be less than 3 times the distance to the source for the microphone nearest the source. In other words, if a person is talking into a microphone that is one foot away from them, then no other microphone in the room should be closer than 3 feet away from that person in order to minimize comb filtering."

http://support.biamp.com/Tesira/Miscellaneous/Comb_filters

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/



On Jan 25, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Can you please provide a reference for this?
> 
> 
>? ? ? From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> 
> On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
>> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
>> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
>> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 
> 
> Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
> appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
> reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.
> 
> There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
> really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
> radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
> electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
> converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
> collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
> sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
> results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
> world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
> electrically, degrading the performance of each.
> 
> Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
> mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
> single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
> parallel does not make them work better.
> 
> When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
> that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
> side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
> cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
> reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
> engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
> I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
> in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
> me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
> failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
> to them for their recording.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
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From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sun Jan 25 16:44:09 2015
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave Baxter)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:44:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3362.1422203078.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3362.1422203078.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CABDW77+rV+E1tVcfyJ4Ri4HpbNy24poPKGiSHqNGOM3hJmxoTg@mail.gmail.com>

Try connecting the input up the other way around.  Sounds like the Variac
"common" is wired to the Phase of your wall socket, not the Neutral.

Remember too, Variac's do not isolate output from input.

Check your house/shack electrical wiring too.  From time spent in the US
over the years, the domestic wiring "sense" is often random.  Just in case.

I've seen the same bad AC wiring in many parts of Europe too, just so it is
said.

73

Dave G0WBX

--- Original Message ---

From: "John Cooper" <wt5y at gt.rr.com>
To: "tesla reflector" <tesla at pupman.com>,       "Elecraft reflector"
        <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
Message-ID: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32 at WT5YPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"

I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.  No
schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage from
0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0 V between
and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and ground.  Is
this normal for a variac?

I was hooking up a electromagnet @5V with the variac off but plugged in and
I got a 120V bite even when the dial is all the way to 0.  That?s why I
started checking it. Ive been running my coil off it with no problems.

John Cooper WT5Y

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jan 25 16:54:14 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 13:54:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1126139770.145933.1422222018181.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CC4C8DAE-E308-4BCD-B3FA-5FF07F934272@wunderwood.org>
	<1126139770.145933.1422222018181.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD2EABCA-ECD3-4691-95AE-ACB8D2082638@wunderwood.org>

The comb filter article is about microphone elements in parallel. Those are widely spaced, but the physics is the same.

Even a small array of microphone elements is a substantial fraction of a sound wave. Wavelengths for sound in air are very small. At 3KHz, a full wavelength is about 12cm (under 5 inches). You can get full cancellation at a 1/4 wavelength distance (3cm, ~1.2 inches).

A microphone with multiple elements can sound great, then after you move your head an inch or more, sound different.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 25, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Anything Specific to just the actual elements being in parallel?
> 
> I do now there is one commercial mic doing this and is supposed to have good reviews.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> 
> You could start with these two, read ?close miking? in the Wikipedia article. The second article is about speech recording for oral historians, so that is fairly applicable to voice communications. Neither article even mentions using multiple microphones for one person. The Wikipedia article section on stereo recording gives a hint of some of the strange things that can happen with multiple mics.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone_practice
> http://ohda.matrix.msu.edu/2012/06/understanding-microphones/
> 
> Multiple microphones act very similar to phased arrays of antennas. They have directionality and nulls that change with frequency. With a source in one position, they can have a frequency response with a number of peaks and nulls. This is called ?comb filtering?.
> 
> This article goes over that, including the 3-to-1 rule: "There is a popular microphone placement adage that is known as the 3 to 1 Rule. The 3 to 1 Rule says that if multiple microphones can hear the same source, then no other microphone should be less than 3 times the distance to the source for the microphone nearest the source. In other words, if a person is talking into a microphone that is one foot away from them, then no other microphone in the room should be closer than 3 feet away from that person in order to minimize comb filtering."
> 
> http://support.biamp.com/Tesira/Miscellaneous/Comb_filters
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> > Can you please provide a reference for this?
> > 
> > 
> >      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
> > 
> > On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> >> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
> >> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
> >> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 
> > 
> > Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
> > appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
> > reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.
> > 
> > There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
> > really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
> > radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
> > electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
> > converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
> > collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
> > sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
> > results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
> > world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
> > electrically, degrading the performance of each.
> > 
> > Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
> > mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
> > single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
> > parallel does not make them work better.
> > 
> > When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
> > that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
> > side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
> > cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
> > reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
> > engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
> > I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
> > in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
> > me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
> > failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
> > to them for their recording.
> > 
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From pincon at erols.com  Sun Jan 25 17:02:09 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:02:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
References: <54C52AFE.1070800@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <580290D681C3426DADF402D5B6769973@pinnacle05df05>

Has anyone on here used a March Magnetic Paddle?  Mike's out in Winchester 
VA and hand makes these individually.

I'm not qualified to comment since I can barely use my antique Vibro-Keyer.

73, Charlie k3ICH


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard Hoyt" <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:42 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products


>I recently had the pleasure of using an N3ZN AB7CE key during the CQ WW CQ 
>contest and it was fantastic!
>
> If you are looking at Italian paddles, be sure to check out Alberto 
> Frattini's jewelry at:
>
> http://www.i1qod.it/prima.htm
>
> I use a "Chrome Iambic" and it is the best paddle I have ever used, but of 
> course paddles are a personal preference!
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
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From plambert at qa.com.au  Sun Jan 25 17:06:14 2015
From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:06:14 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
In-Reply-To: <54C518BC.3010601@kanafi.org>
References: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
	<54C518BC.3010601@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <008501d038eb$24812da0$6d8388e0$@qa.com.au>

Sounds like the "off" switch is actually a bypass switch.  Doesn't seem
unreasonable to have a bypass switch on a variac.

Consider the wall switch is the on/off switch.

73's Peter VK4JD

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Kane
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015 2:24 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] variac question

On 1/24/2015 9:33 PM, John Cooper wrote:

> I have a 2000VA chinese variac off ebay looks similar to a staco(.
> No schematic.  It works fine when used normally.  Varies my voltage 
> from 0-148V.  But when its switched off and left plugged in I have 0 V 
> between and neutral and 120V between hot and ground and neutral and 
> ground.  Is this normal for a variac?

Absolutely not!  This is not only dangerous, it is potentially lethal.
If there is a "UL" label on it, no doubt it is counterfeit.  II have been
using real Variacs and its competing US-brand devices for decades and have
never run across something as egregious as that.

Were I in your shoes I would cut off the cord and throw the device in the
metal recycle bin.  You have no idea what other dangerous things were
incorporated by accident or by intention.

This is not personal - but you get what you pay for.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
Registered Professional Engineer (Electrical)

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sun Jan 25 17:35:27 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 16:35:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <580290D681C3426DADF402D5B6769973@pinnacle05df05>
References: <54C52AFE.1070800@mebtel.net>
	<580290D681C3426DADF402D5B6769973@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <07078E58-1727-4A05-9A0D-3000DABCAC31@tx.rr.com>

At one time I had a very early March key, before he started putting serial numbers on them and refined the design somewhat.  Even at that, it was very nice key.  I?ve been selling off my key collection the last few years.  I?ve had Jones, G4ZPY (VHS), N2DAN, other Begalis, and a variety of other interesting stuff.  The paddles I have left are a Begali Signature and a Vibroplex Deluxe I?ve had forever? and I don?t plan on parting with either.  I still like the VIbroplex a lot ? they don't have the panache (or the price) of the Begali, but they can be adjusted for a great feel and are exceptionally good paddles IMO.

Grant NQ5T


> On Jan 25, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone on here used a March Magnetic Paddle?  Mike's out in Winchester VA and hand makes these individually.
> 
> I'm not qualified to comment since I can barely use my antique Vibro-Keyer.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 


From crcooklb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 17:51:14 2015
From: crcooklb at gmail.com (Randy Cook)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 14:51:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 'LineOut' problem/question
Message-ID: <0710C7A5-10FB-4381-82D1-7CC536EC549A@gmail.com>

Problem: Very low to no output on K3 line out jack (for PSK31 use)

I am trying to get PSK31 running on my MacbookAir with Cocomodem (through a iMic, to USB port). It has run before, several years ago. I follow K3 manual setup and find the output level is very low. On Cocomodem waterfall, I can see very, very weak signals, could just be noise. I am in Data mode, Data A set. I adjust LIN OUT in Config to maximum, a very slight change in waterfall level. I tried plugging in headphones into the Line out jack to see if there was any change. I hear nothing. I also swapped out my MacbookAir for an iMac desktop, with no change in the problem.

To check everything else, I switched cable from Line out jack to Headphones jack, and change the LIN OUT in Config Menu to ?Headphones? per the manual. Use same cable and iMic as before. Now, I get signals on the waterfall, and can decode many in CocoModem. So, everything works except the K3 Line out signal.

Per tech support, I download schematics and I remove Audio out board to check the chokes, L1 and L2. Read about 4ohms, as do all the similar chokes on the board. Working backwards, I check the transformer that feed the in and out line. T1 and T2 read about 55 ohms on the secondary, seems about right. 

I did swap out the audio jack board for a replacement from Electraft, thinking it could be a jack problem. No change. Am I missing something simple here? A Menu setting?  If not, next troubleshooting steps? 

OK to email direct instead of posting. 

73

Randy - K6CRC
k6crcus at gmail.com <mailto:k6crcus at gmail.com>





From lists at subich.com  Sun Jan 25 18:08:53 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:08:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: 'LineOut' problem/question
In-Reply-To: <0710C7A5-10FB-4381-82D1-7CC536EC549A@gmail.com>
References: <0710C7A5-10FB-4381-82D1-7CC536EC549A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C57785.30501@subich.com>


 > To check everything else, I switched cable from Line out jack to
 > Headphones jack, and change the LIN OUT in Config Menu to
 > ?Headphones? per the manual.

Changing CONFIG:LINE OUT to HEADPHONES does not convert the headphone
jack to a Line Out jack.  It simply routes headphone audio to the
LINE CODEC.  If you do not have audio from the LINE OUT jack, the
problems are in the CODEC (DSP board), the audio transformers KIO3
board, the jack or the RF chokes.

 > Per tech support, I download schematics and I remove Audio out board
 > to check the chokes, L1 and L2.

Does your Audio IO Board have a choke at L3?  If so, check it carefully.
I have seen L3 fail multiple times which always results in no Line Out
audio.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-25 5:51 PM, Randy Cook wrote:
> Problem: Very low to no output on K3 line out jack (for PSK31 use)
>
> I am trying to get PSK31 running on my MacbookAir with Cocomodem
> (through a iMic, to USB port). It has run before, several years ago.
> I follow K3 manual setup and find the output level is very low. On
> Cocomodem waterfall, I can see very, very weak signals, could just be
> noise. I am in Data mode, Data A set. I adjust LIN OUT in Config to
> maximum, a very slight change in waterfall level. I tried plugging in
> headphones into the Line out jack to see if there was any change. I
> hear nothing. I also swapped out my MacbookAir for an iMac desktop,
> with no change in the problem.
>
> To check everything else, I switched cable from Line out jack to
> Headphones jack, and change the LIN OUT in Config Menu to
> ?Headphones? per the manual. Use same cable and iMic as before. Now,
> I get signals on the waterfall, and can decode many in CocoModem. So,
> everything works except the K3 Line out signal.
>
> Per tech support, I download schematics and I remove Audio out board
> to check the chokes, L1 and L2. Read about 4ohms, as do all the
> similar chokes on the board. Working backwards, I check the
> transformer that feed the in and out line. T1 and T2 read about 55
> ohms on the secondary, seems about right.
>
> I did swap out the audio jack board for a replacement from Electraft,
> thinking it could be a jack problem. No change. Am I missing
> something simple here? A Menu setting?  If not, next troubleshooting
> steps?
>
> OK to email direct instead of posting.
>
> 73
>
> Randy - K6CRC k6crcus at gmail.com <mailto:k6crcus at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sun Jan 25 18:10:49 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:10:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 showing mirrored display
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45op889ZL-5ip9c_Fh-dpFGbAyNomy-C_xSW7f_GqB81PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45op889ZL-5ip9c_Fh-dpFGbAyNomy-C_xSW7f_GqB81PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5E9B3C2BE8B47889CA7A10FF4F2C3BC@tomsPC>

Hi,
It looks like the IQ connection between the KX3 and PX3 is not connecting 
well.  You will see this if one channel is not working or if you have a bad 
connection.
73's Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Orman
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:15 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 showing mirrored display

Hi,

This morning when I turned on my KX3/PX3/KXPA100 combination, the display
on the PX3 seems to be mirrored to the right/left of the frequency marker.
I'm sure I've changed a setting somewhere to cause this, but I don't know
which one. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to resolve this, I already
restored configuration to one from the 23rd of December when this was
working correclty on my KX3 and PX3 with no luck.

Thank you,
David
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From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 25 18:27:45 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:27:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <580290D681C3426DADF402D5B6769973@pinnacle05df05>
References: <54C52AFE.1070800@mebtel.net>
	<580290D681C3426DADF402D5B6769973@pinnacle05df05>
Message-ID: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>

Yes, indeed!  I have one and it's very nice.
Actually, it belongs to Chuck Adams, K7QO.
It's on a somewhat-indefinite loan to me.
I found out from a Mutual friend that Chuck didn't care for it that much.
Of course, "feel" is a very subjective matter.

It had some minor wear, so I sent it back to Mike for refinishing. Now 
it's as good as new.
It looks good in my collection and, if Chuck ever asks for it back, it's 
in better shape than when he loaned it to me.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 1/25/2015 2:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Has anyone on here used a March Magnetic Paddle? Mike's out in 
> Winchester VA and hand makes these individually.
>
> I'm not qualified to comment since I can barely use my antique 
> Vibro-Keyer.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jan 25 19:47:49 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:47:49 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Spit mode off dial frequency
Message-ID: <201501260047.t0Q0lndK089888@ingra.acsalaska.net>

Disregard what I said yesterday.  SPLIT SV function state has no 
effect on what I am seeing.

SPLIT mode in DATA-A mode transmits +1.5-KHz higher than VFO-B 
displays.  I also ran into something else.  I can not enter SPLIT 
frequency mode when in any other modulation mode (SSB/CW/AM/FM) when 
operating in transverter mode (i.e. XVn=ON).

Today I operated by tuning VFO-B 1.5 KHz below the intended operating 
frequency and I got a report that I was 1-KHz low.  When not in SPLIT 
the system transmits on the correct dial frequency (+/- a few Hz).

I guess its time to call Elecraft as this makes no sense at all.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 21:06:30 2015
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 21:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale
Message-ID: <707DB363-B4D0-4B3A-B9DD-4287F37C093C@gmail.com>

From a silent key?s estate:
Elecraft K2, sn 05990, bands: 80, 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12, 10
Includes KAT2, KNB2, KSB2, and a nice external paddle.
Built in 2007 by an expert kit builder.
$600 shipped CONUS

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
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614 268 6353, Columbus OH
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Jan 25 21:24:20 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 02:24:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1265114105.140244.1422217906398.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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When it comes to microphones, you get into religious wars. ?I happen to like doing "live" recording work with a stereo ribbon mike that has the capsules basically "touching" vertically. ?(Open sound, natural sound field.)
A single point pickup results in a 'coherent' recording. ?The sound is in phase at that one point in space
Add additional capsules, and you end up with multiple unknowns on 2 equations. ?(the 3 point omni decca thing for example.) Simply using a pair of mikes in front of a group gets the cleanest stereo recording.. or a single mike to get a mono recording.
Same thing applies on broadcasting. ?(That is why they use noise gates to turn off idle mikes...so that the pickup of the guy talking isn't added in and cancel him out.)
?KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them!
      From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 To: "jim at audiosystemsgroup.com" <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
   
Can you please provide a reference for this?


? ? ? From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
? 
On Sun,1/25/2015 5:20 AM, Gary - NC3Z wrote:
> In my opinion much, much better words should of been choose than 
> "seriously misguided", they have connotations that one is an idiot. 
> Seriously misguided would be trying to run a 12V device off 120V. 

Why? If an idea is seriously misguided, saying so is entirely 
appropriate. I did not expand on the advice because this is an email 
reflector dedicated to Elecraft radios, not microphones.

There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a 
really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our 
radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an 
electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and 
converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space 
collects different sound -- there is a difference in time between those 
sounds, which results in a difference in phase. The difference in phase 
results in peaks and dips in the frequency response, which in the audio 
world is called comb filtering. Third, one mic loads another 
electrically, degrading the performance of each.

Third, those of us working in pro audio learned a long time ago that one 
mic feeding a single channel is always better than one for picking up a 
single sound source like the human voice. Putting more of them in 
parallel does not make them work better.

When you see two mics on either side of a podium, it's an indication 
that whoever put them there didn't understand that. As the talker moves 
side to side, the sound of his/her voice changes due to the 
cancellation. Almost 40 years ago, I did a couple of big outdoor sound 
reinforcement gigs for the President, and the White House sound 
engineers DID understand that -- they studied at the same workshops that 
I did. They had Shure build a special mic for them with three capsules 
in it, each coming out on their own shielded twisted pair. Two went to 
me, the second was for redundancy -- in case wiring for the first one 
failed. Each went to a different input of my mix console. The third went 
to them for their recording.

73, Jim K9YC



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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Jan 26 03:04:43 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:04:43 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re:  K3 Memory Question
Message-ID: <201501260804.t0Q84h5b093747@denali.acsalaska.net>

I ran into a similar issue with getting digital modes saved to 
memory.  In my case I wanted DATA-A in USB and updating with memory 
editor would not change the data mode.  I would change the mode with 
the DATA MD key and save it with editor and when I downloaded back to 
the radio it got changed back to the original data mode that I 
started with (AFSK in my case).

What fixed it was not using editor to program that memory 
location.  I hand entered all my settings and saved it to the memory 
location with the M>V key as shown in the manual.  That made the mode 
permanent for that memory.

Then I read that with my memory-editor and it captured the correct 
digital mode.

If you are writing your memory 26 using the front panel keys then my 
solution is going to fix it.  Probably best to call Elecraft.

73, Ed - KL7UW

snip--------
However, every time I go to 10.140 (Memory 26) I have to change the 
K3 from DATA A to FSK D.? I've deleted the memory, rewritten it but 
it won't stay on FSK D? I have every band set up like that and 30 
mtrs is the only one I have trouble with.? Has anyone seen this or 
know what I've done incorrectly?

Thanks.

Larry, KN8N


73, Ed - KL7UW
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From w2up at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 07:23:11 2015
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:23:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <CAK6fA8nJNe3PJ=cwSuDRo0Udp0Baw7DAB2CF2eqAoyaNxNsncQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNVpuhc2nhGBvdrwWFUwR8MKcizeak+4e5Zn8nYUFBshA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E40F97C3-AE12-422A-9150-2F19A5C1E1D5@wi.rr.com>
	<CAK6fA8nJNe3PJ=cwSuDRo0Udp0Baw7DAB2CF2eqAoyaNxNsncQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1422274991885-7597529.post@n2.nabble.com>

Most Capital One credit cards do not charge a foreign transaction fee (most
CCs 2-3%).  If Begali accepts credit cards directly, you might want to look
into one of those.

Barry W2UP


Tony Scandurra K4QE wrote
> That is incorrect.  The purchase price is directly affected by the
> exchange
> rate.  They even provide a link to xe.com on their website so you can
> figure out the actual cost in $USD.  Be aware that there is still an
> exchange rate fee charged by your bank when you make the transaction, so
> the final cost will still be higher than the price calculated in xe.com.
> 
> 73, Tony K4QE 





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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 07:32:50 2015
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:32:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
In-Reply-To: <1210414753.440998.1422128753937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C3F443.8010001@gmail.com>	<1969745491.433186.1422128709432.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1210414753.440998.1422128753937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Amen, I could not have said it better!

Jim, W4ATK
On 1/24/2015 1:45 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> Gary on Behalf of the Board I will extend an apology to you, some here take the Hobby far to serious.
>
> I personally enjoy it when someone tries something and shares it and we all learn from it.
> I've been a Ham for a lot of years and I've seen a lot of things tried that you would think would never work but did.Though my favorite was when I flew RC aircraft and we had a Guy who against all convention used One Bladed Props.
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>       From: Gary - NC3Z <nc3z.gary at gmail.com>
>   To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:36 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX3 desk microphone project
>     
> Nice post Harry. And did you notice still no technical backup?
>
> Gary Mitchelson
> NC3Z Davidsonville, MD FM18
> NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15
> www.mitchelson.org
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2015 2:32 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> I want to point out one thing about all of this "It's AMATEUR Radio".
>> Last week another list member was hammered on for finding a Bug that even I could replicate here.
>> (Strangely I do not recall anyone making a public apology to that man).
>>
>> So the guy here made a mic and it worked for him and he wanted to share his PROJECT.(Yea I made that same mistake when I found better quality and quieter fans for my K3).
>> Maybe someone could have say Hey that's cool but in my Professional experience we found that X.
>>
>>
>> PS: I work on stuff that is Real Life and Death when it goes down and AMATEUR radio is far from that.
>>
>>
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From ka5s at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 26 09:01:34 2015
From: ka5s at earthlink.net (CR)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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On 1/25/2015 6:11 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>   This is not only dangerous, it is potentially lethal.
> If there is a "UL" label on it, no doubt it is counterfeit.  II have
> been using real Variacs and its competing US-brand devices for decades
> and have never run across something as egregious as that.
>
> Were I in your shoes I would cut off the cord and throw the device in
> the metal recycle bin.  You have no idea what other dangerous things
> were incorporated by accident or by intention.

More, t*his needs to be reported to the CPSC* at 
http://www.saferproducts.gov/Default.aspx
Importers and resellers will have to recall the item and refund what was 
paid for it (if there are records, they're still around, etc etc. ).

Cortland Richmond
KA5S

From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:03:54 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:03:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 4 band K1 module
Message-ID: <COL127-W34876D01FE6A17C250073ED0350@phx.gbl>

Posted for Jim, 




If
 anyone has a four band module for a K1 that's excess to your needs I'd 
be interested in purchasing it...please contact me off list. 72/72.5, 
Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV     Rodenkirch_llc at msn.com

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 
 		 	   		  

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Mon Jan 26 09:06:16 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:06:16 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Reverse Split???
In-Reply-To: <014e01d038a2$d45dd140$7d1973c0$@verizon.net>
References: <014e01d038a2$d45dd140$7d1973c0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <54C649D8.2050707@xs4all.nl>

Bruce,

There are a few top-of-mind options:
- the connected antennas to the two RX's (AUX and MAIN)
- the use of the RX ant port
- RF and AF settings of both RX's

73
Arie PA3A


I checked and double checked the settings for both RX to ensure I didn't
have something turned on the Main that was causing me not to be able to hear
him. Both Main and Sub were set up the same.  I could hear him on the Sub,
but not the Main, weird.

Also, playing in the 160 m contest, I noticed that the Main RX is hearing
signals the Sub is not.  Even when I have both on the same Freq there is a
noticeable difference in what the Main and Sub are hearing.

Ideas?

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD



From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 09:09:13 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:09:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Temperature stability: Fan
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-J0CfFT2pYpkYuQD-GO4-zPJtoLA4+Z3ADe5vqySnzY=zp=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-J0CfFT2pYpkYuQD-GO4-zPJtoLA4+Z3ADe5vqySnzY=zp=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTP3isf=G5GzAdRk84vgdS27OSRVJX5oZ1hyrvkFPbd6hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I've afixed (bolted) a small 2 inch 12 VDC "muffin fan" to a rubber pipe
cap that "inhales" from the open end and works well.  I have several of
these in several diameters.

The same can be made with a plastic pipe cap, but the rubber caps are
kinder to finishes.  I can send a photo to you if you'd like, but I'll
-not- attempt to deal with posting to the %%=??=% Yahoo site.

73

Ken - K0PP
kengkopp at gmail.com
On Jan 26, 2015 5:59 AM, "Bob rjvnyc at gmail.com [KX3]" <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Are there any commercial options for tiny, quiet fan to improve thermal
> regulation of the KX3?
>
> If not, does anyone have any data on homebrewing a fan for the KX3?  I
> have seen at least one chap who has kluged an BIG fan, with outstanding
> results (measured as 10W output without thermal foldback on a JT65 type
> mode into a dummy load).
>
> 73
> Bob
> WA2I
>  __._,_.___
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>     Reply via web post
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> ?  Reply to sender
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> Reply to group
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>    - New Members
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jan 26 09:17:03 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:17:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <54C648BE.6070505@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<54C648BE.6070505@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1422281823.8677.78.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>

I wish the original post had not been trimmed...  I missed it.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-01-26 at 09:01 -0500, CR wrote:
> On 1/25/2015 6:11 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> >   This is not only dangerous, it is potentially lethal.
> > If there is a "UL" label on it, no doubt it is counterfeit.  II have
> > been using real Variacs and its competing US-brand devices for decades
> > and have never run across something as egregious as that.
> >
> > Were I in your shoes I would cut off the cord and throw the device in
> > the metal recycle bin.  You have no idea what other dangerous things
> > were incorporated by accident or by intention.
> 
> More, t*his needs to be reported to the CPSC* at 
> http://www.saferproducts.gov/Default.aspx
> Importers and resellers will have to recall the item and refund what was 
> paid for it (if there are records, they're still around, etc etc. ).
> 
> Cortland Richmond
> KA5S
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From ka5s at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 26 09:24:39 2015
From: ka5s at earthlink.net (CR)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:24:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C64E27.5060208@earthlink.net>

On  25 Jan 2015 at 09:48 Jim Brown wrote:
> There are (at least) three reasons why an array of microphones is a
> really bad idea. First, really good sounding mics to work with our
> radios are widely available cheap. Second, a microphone is an
> electroacoustic device -- it collects sound at a point in space and
> converts it to voltage. A microphone at a different point in space
> collects different sound -- there is a difference in time

We've a more familiar radio analog; think of collinear antennas. If the 
difference in path length between any two  and the source is 1/2 
wavelength (*sound* travels 1100m/sec at sea level pressure) that pair 
will have a null at frequencies whose phase on arrival differs by 180 
degrees.   And that's only one thing we watch out for.

Interesting discussion, if a bit OT.

Cortland Richmond KA5S
KX3 1475

From knowkode at verizon.net  Mon Jan 26 09:41:45 2015
From: knowkode at verizon.net (Jim Hoge)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>
References: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <27180295.130324.1422283305989.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Charlie,
My wife gave me a March R-3A a few years ago. It spends most of its time on a display shelf. While it is a nice key, it couldn't usurp the prime position my Begali Sculpture holds. Most of the reasons why are purely personal but one is what I would consider a design oversight. 

By comparison, the Begali's finger pieces are spaced? 0.575" (outside dimension) while the March's are 0.500". Minimum force to close a contact on the Begali is 6 grams and the March is 19 grams. These two parameters are very personal as I prefer a wider spacing and a very light touch.
What I consider a design oversight is the length of the contact spacing screws, they are nearly? 0.375" longer than they need to be and to me, stick out like a sore thumb.
That said, the key is well machined and functions very well. It is a fine example of key art. It just isn't my favorite. 

73,Jim W5QM
 

     On Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:28 PM, Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
   

 Yes, indeed!? I have one and it's very nice.
Actually, it belongs to Chuck Adams, K7QO.
It's on a somewhat-indefinite loan to me.
I found out from a Mutual friend that Chuck didn't care for it that much.
Of course, "feel" is a very subjective matter.

It had some minor wear, so I sent it back to Mike for refinishing. Now 
it's as good as new.
It looks good in my collection and, if Chuck ever asks for it back, it's 
in better shape than when he loaned it to me.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 1/25/2015 2:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Has anyone on here used a March Magnetic Paddle? Mike's out in 
> Winchester VA and hand makes these individually.
>
> I'm not qualified to comment since I can barely use my antique 
> Vibro-Keyer.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>

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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Sat Jan 24 23:09:31 2015
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PC not finding KUSB port
In-Reply-To: <CAKJw4D1oqvkC0ae5PPOFTSxkwy72y5zbz+w6DjNT+8ASTH+fWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000901d03854$b9371eb0$2ba55c10$@gamewood.net>

Looks like you are a victim of Prolific's end-of-life for certain pirated part numbers.  Any driver later than version 1.4 checks the chip ID and refuses to start (Error 10 Cannot Start) for 2303 parts HXA (and probably others).  Easy workaround is to MANUALLY  install version 1.4 of the Prolific driver.  When cable refuses to start (yellow mark, Error 10) you can then MANUALLY update (downgrade) the driver by selecting from the list of installed drivers.  BTW, this is a Windows 8 issue, XP apparently never tries to update to the rev 1.8 driver.  Email me off-list and I will try to remember the details.  The actual key-by-key instructions vary depending the OS version.  Perhaps others with more current experience can help.

Ken - ke4rg at arrl.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis L. Haarsager
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:48 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] PC not finding KUSB port

I'm doing firmware updates this weekend, and my KX3 and PX3 went fine after installing the device driver using the KXUSB cable and a laptop running Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.  <snip> 


From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 10:54:45 2015
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:54:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Announcement
Message-ID: <CAD+2Gys7BzK=vLr0GvLn5S_LOtpudD0XFiYQFdtwH-6MwaQaYw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a blind friend who has a KX3. He called me last night. between my
questions and his I keep looking into the manual.

His question last night was, the function, CW Announcement , that tells you
in CW the frequency, or SWR or what button you had pushed, the CW speed is
too slow. He wants to crank it up to 30 wpm. How do you turn the speed up?

To get into the above function you push SCAN ANT like you would to turn on
and off the radio  and Menu button at the same time. or some think like
that.  I never heard of that but I guess it does.  I have not seen that in
the manual yet. Have you?

It has been a year or so he had his KX3 an now starting to dislike it.  He
has been looking at the TF 590SG now. He wants to remote connect to it and
operate other modes, Take it along to the grands kids house so he can
operate radio when watching them when they come home from school.

This KX3 of mine is more of radio than my Ten-Tec Omni 6 Plus. I do not
know what my friends problem is.  I think his frustrations will be the same
with the TS-590SG and a lot of other radios that are out there.
-- 
Jim K9TF

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 11:19:16 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:19:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2Gys7BzK=vLr0GvLn5S_LOtpudD0XFiYQFdtwH-6MwaQaYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2Gys7BzK=vLr0GvLn5S_LOtpudD0XFiYQFdtwH-6MwaQaYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEA39FA6-4794-45EF-A3AA-9823F574D75D@yahoo.co.uk>

Jim

page 39 of the manual describes how to change the speed

Use SW Tone 
If set to ON, switch presses generate audible feedback tones. If set to CODE nn, Morse code characters are generated on any control activation at nn words per minute. (The full list of Morse code control characters, as well as a text-only panel description for blind operators, can be found on our KX3 web page.) Switch tone volume is the same as CW sidetone volume. It must be adjusted in CW mode, using MON. 

Hope that helps.

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 26 Jan 2015, at 15:54, Jim GM <jim.gmforum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a blind friend who has a KX3. He called me last night. between my
> questions and his I keep looking into the manual.
> 
> His question last night was, the function, CW Announcement , that tells you
> in CW the frequency, or SWR or what button you had pushed, the CW speed is
> too slow. He wants to crank it up to 30 wpm. How do you turn the speed up?
> 
> To get into the above function you push SCAN ANT like you would to turn on
> and off the radio  and Menu button at the same time. or some think like
> that.  I never heard of that but I guess it does.  I have not seen that in
> the manual yet. Have you?
> 
> It has been a year or so he had his KX3 an now starting to dislike it.  He
> has been looking at the TF 590SG now. He wants to remote connect to it and
> operate other modes, Take it along to the grands kids house so he can
> operate radio when watching them when they come home from school.
> 
> This KX3 of mine is more of radio than my Ten-Tec Omni 6 Plus. I do not
> know what my friends problem is.  I think his frustrations will be the same
> with the TS-590SG and a lot of other radios that are out there.
> -- 
> Jim K9TF
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jan 26 11:23:55 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:23:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2Gys7BzK=vLr0GvLn5S_LOtpudD0XFiYQFdtwH-6MwaQaYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2Gys7BzK=vLr0GvLn5S_LOtpudD0XFiYQFdtwH-6MwaQaYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80161224-6249-4D57-BAB8-37403640609A@yahoo.co.uk>

Jim also check out this guide for blind ops

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20CW%20UI%20rev%20E1.pdf

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 26 Jan 2015, at 15:54, Jim GM <jim.gmforum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a blind friend who has a KX3. He called me last night. between my
> questions and his I keep looking into the manual.
> 
> His question last night was, the function, CW Announcement , that tells you
> in CW the frequency, or SWR or what button you had pushed, the CW speed is
> too slow. He wants to crank it up to 30 wpm. How do you turn the speed up?
> 
> To get into the above function you push SCAN ANT like you would to turn on
> and off the radio  and Menu button at the same time. or some think like
> that.  I never heard of that but I guess it does.  I have not seen that in
> the manual yet. Have you?
> 
> It has been a year or so he had his KX3 an now starting to dislike it.  He
> has been looking at the TF 590SG now. He wants to remote connect to it and
> operate other modes, Take it along to the grands kids house so he can
> operate radio when watching them when they come home from school.
> 
> This KX3 of mine is more of radio than my Ten-Tec Omni 6 Plus. I do not
> know what my friends problem is.  I think his frustrations will be the same
> with the TS-590SG and a lot of other radios that are out there.
> -- 
> Jim K9TF
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From gdaught6 at stanford.edu  Mon Jan 26 12:55:12 2015
From: gdaught6 at stanford.edu (gdaught6 at stanford.edu)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:55:12 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <54C64E27.5060208@earthlink.net>
References: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>,
	<54C64E27.5060208@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <54C60F00.8692.89236C@gdaught6.stanford.edu>

It was recently written...

< snip >

> (*sound* travels 1100m/sec at sea level pressure) 

Can't let that one get by.  It's about 1100 feet per second, not meters per second.

73,

George T Daughters, K6GT
CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
October 3-4, 2015



From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon Jan 26 13:31:59 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <27180295.130324.1422283305989.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>,
	<27180295.130324.1422283305989.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C6881F.24201.2C26767@Gary.ka1j.com>

I have the Begali Sculpture which I recently bought. The prices on 
their web page are I think, a set price and are not changed as the 
Euro fluctuates. The exchange price the day you buy it is what you 
pay. I waited till the price hit a low and then bought.

I love the key itself but have a personal issue with it that will 
require I go back to my old jewelry making skills; it's the paddle's 
shape and how I hold my fingers when I key. The Sculpture paddles are 
designed to be used by those who touch the key with a fairly  
horizontal finger contact to the table. 

I'm a strings player for 50+ years and am used to holding a "guitar" 
pick not opposed, but with thumb forward and index curled behind so 
as to give equal pressure on the up-stroke & down-stroke while 
holding the pick equally with both digits. This affects how I contact 
the paddles themselves as my muscle memory is comfortable with that 
position and keying with my right hand, I contact the lower part of 
the Sculpture paddle perfectly well with my right index but the 
center of my thumb presses into the top of the left paddle as the 
paddles are beautifully made but asymmetrical with the top section 
being shorter than the bottom. After a while my thumb gets sore as 
it's the dead center of the thumb print that takes the pressure.

Not a problem with the paddle or design of the paddles, it's just 
what I've learned to do doesn't fit this particular paddle. One 
possibility would be for me to use two right sided paddles and turn 
one upside down for the thumb side but that would not look balanced. 
So what I'm thinking of doing is  making a set of paddles out of clay 
that reflect how my fingers actually contact the paddles and that 
will be a perfect contact for both the thumb and index finger. I'll 
then make a copy of this out of silver which is easy to cast and not 
all that expensive and use those instead. Another option would be to 
sculpt them out of wood but I think I'd get greater accuracy by 
making a mold of the exact contact and replicate that in metal. Not 
sure how to do that molding in plastic with what I have available.

for the vast majority, the way these paddles are shaped is truly 
perfect. The key itself is absolute perfection and a joy to use.

Gary
KA1J

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From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 14:13:02 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Fan Replacement
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=shsCfiqfc-8aY+2j_BhqTn6pqRMiyqKh7VGFm+6NUJPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone replaced the fan in the KPA500 with a quieter one? If so, could
I get the model number? You can contact me off-list if you like, my email
is correct on QRZ.

Thanks,

Joe  N9VX

From phystad at mac.com  Mon Jan 26 14:50:27 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 11:50:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <54C60F00.8692.89236C@gdaught6.stanford.edu>
References: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<54C64E27.5060208@earthlink.net>
	<54C60F00.8692.89236C@gdaught6.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <D0E0249D-1D98-4160-9D5A-066AE9BFF9AF@mac.com>

Or, 340 m/s.

Or, 761 mph

Or, 0.00000135 times the speed of light.


> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:55 AM, gdaught6 at stanford.edu wrote:
> 
> It was recently written...
> 
> < snip >
> 
>> (*sound* travels 1100m/sec at sea level pressure) 
> 
> Can't let that one get by.  It's about 1100 feet per second, not meters per second.
> 
> 73,
> 
> George T Daughters, K6GT
> CU in the California QSO Party (CQP)
> October 3-4, 2015
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 14:55:24 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:55:24 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <54C6881F.24201.2C26767@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>,
	<27180295.130324.1422283305989.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<54C6881F.24201.2C26767@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C69BAC.4090701@gmail.com>

If it is like my Begali Pearl, the fingerpieces could be removed and 
turned upside down, swapping the right and left pieces so that the 
countersinking would be on the correct side. Worth a try, anyway.

On 26 Jan 2015 20:31, Gary Smith wrote:
> I have the Begali Sculpture which I recently bought. The prices on
> their web page are I think, a set price and are not changed as the
> Euro fluctuates. The exchange price the day you buy it is what you
> pay. I waited till the price hit a low and then bought.
>
> I love the key itself but have a personal issue with it that will
> require I go back to my old jewelry making skills; it's the paddle's
> shape and how I hold my fingers when I key. The Sculpture paddles are
> designed to be used by those who touch the key with a fairly
> horizontal finger contact to the table.
>
> I'm a strings player for 50+ years and am used to holding a "guitar"
> pick not opposed, but with thumb forward and index curled behind so
> as to give equal pressure on the up-stroke & down-stroke while
> holding the pick equally with both digits. This affects how I contact
> the paddles themselves as my muscle memory is comfortable with that
> position and keying with my right hand, I contact the lower part of
> the Sculpture paddle perfectly well with my right index but the
> center of my thumb presses into the top of the left paddle as the
> paddles are beautifully made but asymmetrical with the top section
> being shorter than the bottom. After a while my thumb gets sore as
> it's the dead center of the thumb print that takes the pressure.
>
> Not a problem with the paddle or design of the paddles, it's just
> what I've learned to do doesn't fit this particular paddle. One
> possibility would be for me to use two right sided paddles and turn
> one upside down for the thumb side but that would not look balanced.
> So what I'm thinking of doing is  making a set of paddles out of clay
> that reflect how my fingers actually contact the paddles and that
> will be a perfect contact for both the thumb and index finger. I'll
> then make a copy of this out of silver which is easy to cast and not
> all that expensive and use those instead. Another option would be to
> sculpt them out of wood but I think I'd get greater accuracy by
> making a mold of the exact contact and replicate that in metal. Not
> sure how to do that molding in plastic with what I have available.
>
> for the vast majority, the way these paddles are shaped is truly
> perfect. The key itself is absolute perfection and a joy to use.
>
> Gary
> KA1J

-- 
73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Mon Jan 26 15:59:29 2015
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
Message-ID: <klhm6v3vkidqrxsn8pajwlwm.1422305664079@email.android.com>

Well... actually it depends on a couple of factors. Temperature, humidity, and medium it is traveling through.?
343.2 m/sec in dry air at 20C.
1484 m/sec in water?
5120 m/sec in iron

Crap.....that is more than I need to know?

Harlan
NC3C?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

From k2mk at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 17:03:22 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:03:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Fan Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=shsCfiqfc-8aY+2j_BhqTn6pqRMiyqKh7VGFm+6NUJPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=shsCfiqfc-8aY+2j_BhqTn6pqRMiyqKh7VGFm+6NUJPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1422309802750-7597548.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Joe,

Not exactly the answer to your question but possibly useful. I received a
fan replacement from the factory because my fan started making noises in
speeds 1 and 2 after about 6 months. It sort of sounded like an overhead
single engine airplane. Surprisingly that particular noise dissappeared when
I manually advanced the speed to 3 or higher. The replacement I received was
the identical model and it solved the problem.

73,
Mike K2MK


Joe Word-2 wrote
> Has anyone replaced the fan in the KPA500 with a quieter one? If so, could
> I get the model number? You can contact me off-list if you like, my email
> is correct on QRZ.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe  N9VX





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From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon Jan 26 17:44:08 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <54C69BAC.4090701@gmail.com>
References: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>,
	<54C6881F.24201.2C26767@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<54C69BAC.4090701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C6C338.25180.3A94388@Gary.ka1j.com>

Alas, the holes are countersunk which on this key aesthetically looks 
ideal. I'd need two right side keys for the one inverted, on the 
left, to play nice with my thumb. Again, this isn't a slight against 
anything with the key whatsoever, it's the way I touch the paddles 
that is unusual. But if I make sculpted paddles for my Sculpture, 
that sounds right. ;)

With this key and the K3, CW / RTTY really can't get much more fun to 
send.

Gary

> If it is like my Begali Pearl, the fingerpieces could be removed and 
> turned upside down, swapping the right and left pieces so that the 
> countersinking would be on the correct side. Worth a try, anyway.
> 
> On 26 Jan 2015 20:31, Gary Smith wrote:
> > I have the Begali Sculpture which I recently bought. The prices on
> > their web page are I think, a set price and are not changed as the
> > Euro fluctuates. The exchange price the day you buy it is what you
> > pay. I waited till the price hit a low and then bought.
> >
> > I love the key itself but have a personal issue with it that will
> > require I go back to my old jewelry making skills; it's the paddle's
> > shape and how I hold my fingers when I key. The Sculpture paddles are
> > designed to be used by those who touch the key with a fairly
> > horizontal finger contact to the table.
> >
> > I'm a strings player for 50+ years and am used to holding a "guitar"
> > pick not opposed, but with thumb forward and index curled behind so
> > as to give equal pressure on the up-stroke & down-stroke while
> > holding the pick equally with both digits. This affects how I contact
> > the paddles themselves as my muscle memory is comfortable with that
> > position and keying with my right hand, I contact the lower part of
> > the Sculpture paddle perfectly well with my right index but the
> > center of my thumb presses into the top of the left paddle as the
> > paddles are beautifully made but asymmetrical with the top section
> > being shorter than the bottom. After a while my thumb gets sore as
> > it's the dead center of the thumb print that takes the pressure.
> >
> > Not a problem with the paddle or design of the paddles, it's just
> > what I've learned to do doesn't fit this particular paddle. One
> > possibility would be for me to use two right sided paddles and turn
> > one upside down for the thumb side but that would not look balanced.
> > So what I'm thinking of doing is  making a set of paddles out of clay
> > that reflect how my fingers actually contact the paddles and that
> > will be a perfect contact for both the thumb and index finger. I'll
> > then make a copy of this out of silver which is easy to cast and not
> > all that expensive and use those instead. Another option would be to
> > sculpt them out of wood but I think I'd get greater accuracy by
> > making a mold of the exact contact and replicate that in metal. Not
> > sure how to do that molding in plastic with what I have available.
> >
> > for the vast majority, the way these paddles are shaped is truly
> > perfect. The key itself is absolute perfection and a joy to use.
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 




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From ockmrzr at verizon.net  Mon Jan 26 18:19:46 2015
From: ockmrzr at verizon.net (Bruce & Gab)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Reverse Split???
In-Reply-To: <54C649D8.2050707@xs4all.nl>
References: <014e01d038a2$d45dd140$7d1973c0$@verizon.net>
	<54C649D8.2050707@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <01d401d039be$9328abb0$b97a0310$@verizon.net>

See below

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie
Kleingeld PA3A
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 09:06
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reverse Split???

Bruce,

There are a few top-of-mind options:
- the connected antennas to the two RX's (AUX and MAIN)  ONLY HAVE ONE ANT,
CONNECTED TO ANT 1 JACK. 
- the use of the RX ant port NOTHING CONNECTED TO THIS PORT
- RF and AF settings of both RX's  BOTH MAXED OUT TO THE LEFT

73
Arie PA3A


I checked and double checked the settings for both RX to ensure I didn't
have something turned on the Main that was causing me not to be able to hear
him. Both Main and Sub were set up the same.  I could hear him on the Sub,
but not the Main, weird.

Also, playing in the 160 m contest, I noticed that the Main RX is hearing
signals the Sub is not.  Even when I have both on the same Freq there is a
noticeable difference in what the Main and Sub are hearing.

Ideas?

73 de Bruce, N7TY
White Plains, MD


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From radioham at mchsi.com  Mon Jan 26 18:38:28 2015
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:38:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <D0E0249D-1D98-4160-9D5A-066AE9BFF9AF@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3448.1422227485.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<54C64E27.5060208@earthlink.net>
	<54C60F00.8692.89236C@gdaught6.stanford.edu>
	<D0E0249D-1D98-4160-9D5A-066AE9BFF9AF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CDC9416E-FB78-4731-A34B-AFB2386A87BE@mchsi.com>

Hey, back in horse and buggy days it traveled at 2,045,568 furlongs per fortnight.

Lets not ask what it would be in Smoots per semester.

David K0LUM


On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> Or, 340 m/s.
> 
> Or, 761 mph
> 
> Or, 0.00000135 times the speed of light.
> 


From k9fd at flex.com  Mon Jan 26 19:35:20 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:35:20 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Good time to buy Begali products
In-Reply-To: <54C6C338.25180.3A94388@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54C57BF1.2060100@sbcglobal.net>,
	<54C6881F.24201.2C26767@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<54C69BAC.4090701@gmail.com> <54C6C338.25180.3A94388@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <54C6DD48.6050601@flex.com>

I have the exact same "problem" Gary, and never mention it as many CW ops
dont get the drift.   I use triangle shaped paddles and that seems to 
work for me,
you can get scrap plastic from a plastic dealer in many colors,  I found 
the same
thickness in red and blue and made new paddles,  sanding the cut edges with
really fine sandpaper makes them clear and rounded and look professional,
its easy to counter sink the holes with a larger size drill bit.
I usually do it by hand (not with a drill)  so I dont break the plastic 
which is easy to
do with a drill.
73 Merv K9FD/KH6

> Alas, the holes are countersunk which on this key aesthetically looks
> ideal. I'd need two right side keys for the one inverted, on the
> left, to play nice with my thumb. Again, this isn't a slight against
> anything with the key whatsoever, it's the way I touch the paddles
> that is unusual. But if I make sculpted paddles for my Sculpture,
> that sounds right. ;)
>
> With this key and the K3, CW / RTTY really can't get much more fun to
> send.
>
> Gary
>
>


From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com  Mon Jan 26 19:48:38 2015
From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:48:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WTB_a_K1_and_four_band_module?=
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS17032C6AE9F27FF4A871221F0320@phx.gbl>

If anyone has a basic K1, in kit form, partially finished or finished and it's still not working correctly, I?d be interested in purchasing it. If it doesn't have any bnd modules, that's ok - have one of those.


If anyone has a four band module thy don't need, contact me as well.


Contact me off list - thx. Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV






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From bbaines at mac.com  Mon Jan 26 20:54:07 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:54:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig RC-1216H use with KPA500
Message-ID: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>

I?m wondering if anyone has an experience with Remote Rig?s RC-1216H, a web-based device to control the KPA500 (among other things).  See:  
http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>

The potential benefit is being able to remotely access the KPA500?s controls as well as view forward power and SWR, but being able to do so remotely using the RC-1216H through a web browser.  

Ham Radio Outlet carries the Remote Rig product line, but they don?t carry this particular product.  Consequently, I?m also wondering what the best approach might be to obtaining one in the US.   Is there anyone in the US that carries it, or is my only option to order it directly from Sweden?

Thanks,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Folkston, GA
Westborough, MA

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Jan 26 21:00:55 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 02:00:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
Message-ID: <631043647.573239.1422324055017.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I noticed something odd when receiving AM.
I have the AM and the FM filter installed and both enabled for AM Receiving.
The manual states:In AM mode, the I.F. bandwidth required for good fidelity is about twice the AF bandwidth.?This is why a 6 kHz or wider crystal filter is needed to effectively use the 3 kHz NORM?setting. If a 15 kHz FM filter is installed, it can be used in AM mode to provide good?fidelity at even higher AF bandwidth settings.?

Watching on The P3 as I adjust the Filter width between 1.3 kHz and 3 kHz it tracks properly but?between 3 kHz and 5 kHz it's really only varying between 3 kHz and 4 kHz (with 4 being the max)?3 = 3 , 3.5 = 3.25, 3.5 = 4, 4.5 = 3.75, 5 = 4
I confirmed this by loading up Spectrogram and looking at the audio output and it tracks the same way.
To further test I went in to SSB mode set FC to 2 kHz and BW to 4 kHz then moved the shift ?to 2.2 kHz and the output moved to 4.2 kHz and the P3 tracked it as well as Spectracom.
I also looked at the Spectracom display in FM Mode with the squelch open ?and it appears that the audio?stages could easily reproduce out to 6 kHz with little roll off and ?even displayed out to a bit over 18 kHz.

Have others noticed this?


From edauer at law.du.edu  Mon Jan 26 21:44:06 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 02:44:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3678.1422318936.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D0EC471F.93B3%edauer@law.du.edu>

Many VISA cards do; but I have wondered whether they make it up by giving
a worse exchange rate.  I have thought about buying similar items in
Europe on the same day with an AMEX card and a VISA card and seeing if
there?s a difference in the rate (AMEX does charge transaction fees) but I
always forget to do it.  Anyone tried that?

To keep this on topic, I am thinking about buying a Frattini (hence some
interest in exchange rates.)  Anyone own both a Frattini and a Begali and
willing to make a comparison (for the magnetic return models in each line)?

Ted, KN1CBR
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:23:11 -0700 (MST)
>From: Barry <w2up at comcast.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Good time to buy Begali products
>Message-ID: <1422274991885-7597529.post at n2.nabble.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Most Capital One credit cards do not charge a foreign transaction fee
>(most
>CCs 2-3%).  If Begali accepts credit cards directly, you might want to
>look
>into one of those.
>
>Barry W2UP
>
>
>Tony Scandurra K4QE wrote
>> That is incorrect.  The purchase price is directly affected by the
>> exchange
>> rate.  They even provide a link to xe.com on their website so you can
>> figure out the actual cost in $USD.  Be aware that there is still an
>> exchange rate fee charged by your bank when you make the transaction, so
>> the final cost will still be higher than the price calculated in xe.com.
>> 
>> 73, Tony K4QE 
>
>
>
>
>
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From aar6ea at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 22:57:07 2015
From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:57:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
Message-ID: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I would like to know what people think of the new Panadapter.  I am
considering adding it to my portable station.  I would like to know what
people think of its features and the usefulness (and drawbacks) in a
portable configuration.

Thanks,



Mark

From aar6ea at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 23:00:00 2015
From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:00:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] software
Message-ID: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am curious.

I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
use with the KX-3 and why?

Mark

From w6jhb at me.com  Mon Jan 26 23:07:31 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:07:31 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51B138B9-6F7E-4B79-BBE5-C9AC20113507@me.com>

Hi Mark,

I have used MLDX with my KX3 in the past and it worked very well. I also have a K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500 that I use MLDX with.

However, I got spoiled by that dang P3 and wanted something like it for the KX3! This was before Elecraft announced the PX3. So, I downloaded and installed a copy of NaP3 (free). It runs on my 27? iMac under Win 8.1, which runs under VMWare Fusion - very nicely, I may add. Needed some sort of logging over on the Windows side, so I downloaded and installed Log4OM (also free). I like having the large Pan Display of NaP3 on the KX3; I log my KX3 QSO?s into Log4OM and when I?m done, export them in ADIF up to Dropbox and then import them into MLDX over on the mac side of things. A little extra work, but it does work.

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA


> On   Monday, Jan 26, 2015, at  Monday, 8:00 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am curious.
> 
> I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
> past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
> use with the KX-3 and why?
> 
> Mark
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From dmoes at nexicom.net  Mon Jan 26 23:12:28 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:12:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C7102C.8010407@nexicom.net>

not sure if you mean P3 or PX3

I purchased the P3 about a year ago.     when I ordered it I was worried 
I had spent money on something that had marginal purpose, a toy or fancy 
Gadget.

Now that I have had it for a year or so it has become a integral part of 
my operating.  its wonderfull in chasing DX and contests for finding 
signals especially on quiet bands.     is a band open?  just watch the 
water fall for a half a minute and you can see.   never mind hunting up 
and down the band to see what may be there.       find the station being 
worked in a split situation is easy.    I can go on and on.    For me I 
feel it was money well spent.   I certainly get more use out of it than 
I had hoped for.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,  VE3SD

On 1/26/2015 22:57, Mark Tellez wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to know what people think of the new Panadapter.  I am
> considering adding it to my portable station.  I would like to know what
> people think of its features and the usefulness (and drawbacks) in a
> portable configuration.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mark
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From aar6ea at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 23:22:21 2015
From: aar6ea at gmail.com (Mark Tellez)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable power - goal zero?
Message-ID: <CALyK5YGng7jcz14_6zzjg_jHmy8psAQyA01PoT8LZc8qMFdkGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I have some questions related to running the KX-3 in the field on portable
power.  I read through a number of threads on this site and if I understand
correctly the KX-3 generally favors a high voltage feed.

I am wondering if anyone is using Goal Zero system for their portable
operation.  http://www.goalzero.com/

Goal Zero makes excellent systems (use them for backpacking) and it?s
basically plug and play.  The only done side I can see to their solution is
the 12V regulated output.  I would appreciate any feedback from the field.

Thanks,



Mark

From edouard at lafargue.name  Mon Jan 26 23:29:22 2015
From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:29:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable power - goal zero?
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGng7jcz14_6zzjg_jHmy8psAQyA01PoT8LZc8qMFdkGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGng7jcz14_6zzjg_jHmy8psAQyA01PoT8LZc8qMFdkGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJVEXsX_uR5fcMK69gZRtWB8njTtr7DwFxLin9=FoFSeX2uPvA@mail.gmail.com>

  Mark,

  I use a Sherpa100. Good pack, but the output voltage goes under 12V way
before the pack is empty, so the KX3 will not let you use full power after
a while. The KXPA100 is not as picky, so you can easily run a KXPA100 at
50W on the Sherpa100 until the end of the pack's power. It's a pretty good
solution imho!

   I have not tried to use the Laptop 19V output with a regulator, that
would be another approach. But on a portable power pack, you probably don't
want a linear convertor, and a switched buck convertor will introduce noise
unless you're not very careful when you design it...

   In my experience, the Sherpa100 is a fine solution. If you already have
one, just get a cigarette lighter to anderson adapter and try it out!

Ed W6ELA

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have some questions related to running the KX-3 in the field on portable
> power.  I read through a number of threads on this site and if I understand
> correctly the KX-3 generally favors a high voltage feed.
>
> I am wondering if anyone is using Goal Zero system for their portable
> operation.  http://www.goalzero.com/
>
> Goal Zero makes excellent systems (use them for backpacking) and it?s
> basically plug and play.  The only done side I can see to their solution is
> the 12V regulated output.  I would appreciate any feedback from the field.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mark
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Tue Jan 27 00:34:26 2015
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:34:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1732571514.12419810.1422336866479.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Mark,
     I use Win4k3 with HRD and CW Skimmer. This collection integrate very smoothly and allows me a fair amount of flexibility. I can do RTTY, CW, or PSK using the radio's inherent capability using the terminal window of Win4k3. For contesting, I swap out HRD for N1MM contest S/W.

73,
Barry
K3NDM



Original Message===================

Hello all,

I am curious.

I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
use with the KX-3 and why?

Mark
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From q.g.collier at btinternet.com  Tue Jan 27 04:41:02 2015
From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:41:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <54C7102C.8010407@nexicom.net>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C7102C.8010407@nexicom.net>
Message-ID: <1422351662.20636.YahooMailNeo@web186005.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

I was going to ask the same question as David about whether you were interested in the P3 or the PX3!


And assuming you were talking about the P3, my experience is the same as his....a really good investment. As a for instance (although this hasn't happened yet as the event isn't until June), in our (CW) Field Day - which has rules very different from the North AmericanField Day - we get double points for QSOs on 160m & 10m. I can foresee that the ability to take a quick dive onto those bands and get an" at a glance" view of whether there is enough activity to justify a band change will be a major boon.



73, Quin G3WRR



________________________________
 From: david Moes <dmoes at nexicom.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, 27 January 2015, 4:12
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Panadapter
 

not sure if you mean P3 or PX3

I purchased the P3 about a year ago.? ?  when I ordered it I was worried 
I had spent money on something that had marginal purpose, a toy or fancy 
Gadget.

Now that I have had it for a year or so it has become a integral part of 
my operating.? its wonderfull in chasing DX and contests for finding 
signals especially on quiet bands.? ?  is a band open?? just watch the 
water fall for a half a minute and you can see.?  never mind hunting up 
and down the band to see what may be there.? ? ?  find the station being 
worked in a split situation is easy.? ? I can go on and on.? ? For me I 
feel it was money well spent.?  I certainly get more use out of it than 
I had hoped for.

David Moes
President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club.
dmoes at nexicom.net
VE3DVY,? VE3SD

On 1/26/2015 22:57, Mark Tellez wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I would like to know what people think of the new Panadapter.? I am
> considering adding it to my portable station.? I would like to know what
> people think of its features and the usefulness (and drawbacks) in a
> portable configuration.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mark
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From idarack at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 08:23:54 2015
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>

I have both the P3 for my K3 station ( main station) and PX3 for my KX3
station ( beach house station). And think they are an excellent addition
for both contesting and chasing DX in a pileup.

Irwin KD3TB

On Monday, January 26, 2015, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I would like to know what people think of the new Panadapter.  I am
> considering adding it to my portable station.  I would like to know what
> people think of its features and the usefulness (and drawbacks) in a
> portable configuration.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mark
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-- 
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From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Tue Jan 27 08:25:05 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 07:25:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Elecraft] TX EQ Setup for K3
Message-ID: <33133721.6224.1422365105842.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>

Good Morning,
I am looking to setup my Heil HM12 microsoft using the TX EQ. I have looked at the manual on pages 35 and 36 and it doesn't seem to be too clear as to what buttons to push to get to the TX EQ setup. I have read the different messages but it  seems it deals with a utility program that one can use for the K3.

How do I set this up the old fashioned way as they say? It see a RIT and XIT button on the far right bottom side of the transceiver but that's about it. Any help would be much appreciated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 27 08:39:40 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] TX EQ Setup for K3
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References: <33133721.6224.1422365105842.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <54C7951C.5080508@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

TX EQ is a Main Menu setting.  Tap the MENU button then rotate the VFO B 
knob until you see TX EQ1 If it is set to some other band, tap "1").  
Rotate the VFO A knob to change the setting for band 1.
Then tap 2 to change band 2
So on for bands 3-8.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/27/2015 8:25 AM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Morning,
> I am looking to setup my Heil HM12 microsoft using the TX EQ. I have looked at the manual on pages 35 and 36 and it doesn't seem to be too clear as to what buttons to push to get to the TX EQ setup. I have read the different messages but it  seems it deals with a utility program that one can use for the K3.
>
> How do I set this up the old fashioned way as they say? It see a RIT and XIT button on the far right bottom side of the transceiver but that's about it. Any help would be much appreciated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
>


From davidahrendts at me.com  Tue Jan 27 08:40:05 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:40:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <716F0CA0-D751-4532-8D6C-82D8E3A8E2F9@me.com>

Mark, I?m just a few months into the wonderful KX3 + PX3 + KAT500 (brag) ? love all things Elecraft. MacLoggerDX works very well. FLDigi also is well matched. Bit of a learning curve on FLDigi, but excellent signal reports and substantial contacts. Happy to assist if you need.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA

> On Jan 26, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am curious.
> 
> I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
> past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
> use with the KX-3 and why?
> 
> Mark
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 27 08:47:28 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig RC-1216H use with KPA500
In-Reply-To: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>
References: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>

We also have free full remote control software for the KPA500 and KAT500 on our K3 Software page.

http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote

I use these with my remote station. 

These windows programs include both the host and client programs and they provide complete access to the KPA500 and KAT500.

Also of interest is the free remote software from remotehams.com .  (The author, Brandon, works in our engineering group and we are a sponsor of his web page. ) It includes embedded Voip and control of the K3, KPA500 and antenna rotors that support the high gain serial protocol. This is the s/w I also use for my remote operation.

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m wondering if anyone has an experience with Remote Rig?s RC-1216H, a web-based device to control the KPA500 (among other things).  See:  
> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
> 
> The potential benefit is being able to remotely access the KPA500?s controls as well as view forward power and SWR, but being able to do so remotely using the RC-1216H through a web browser.  
> 
> Ham Radio Outlet carries the Remote Rig product line, but they don?t carry this particular product.  Consequently, I?m also wondering what the best approach might be to obtaining one in the US.   Is there anyone in the US that carries it, or is my only option to order it directly from Sweden?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Folkston, GA
> Westborough, MA
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 10:14:19 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (John Lawrence via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1422371364.16637.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

 - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -

Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home.
Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
Let me know if you can be of help.
Best regards
John

John Lawrence
Pond Brook Farm
455 Flanders Corner Road
Waldoboro, Maine 04572
j123law at aol.com

207-605-2154

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 10:12:42 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:12:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
Message-ID: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was informed that it is good idea to?build a device that would short the dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click with each transmission.
I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.

Thank you

From jwiley at gci.net  Tue Jan 27 10:12:29 2015
From: jwiley at gci.net (Jim Wiley)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 06:12:29 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <20150127150938.89E7A149B24E@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150127150938.89E7A149B24E@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C7AADD.3010601@gci.net>



WARNING!!  This is a scam!  This formula has been tried many times. Do 
NOT respond to this person.

- Jim, KL7CC




On 1/27/2015 6:14 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote:
>   - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home.
> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
> Let me know if you can be of help.
> Best regards
> John
>
> John Lawrence
> Pond Brook Farm
> 455 Flanders Corner Road
> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
> j123law at aol.com
>
> 207-605-2154
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From andy at rickham.net  Tue Jan 27 10:14:51 2015
From: andy at rickham.net (Andy)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:14:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] S:   My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <20150127150931.46F09149B0AB@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150127150931.46F09149B0AB@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <c9b5610f37464a088be0fbb144ddb7c0@rickham.net>

Oh good. A scam to try and get money from us all.
  
 BEWARE.
  
 Andy, G8TQH
  
  
  

----------------------------------------
 From: "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 27 January 2015 15:09
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: S: [Elecraft] My Conditions!   
- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -

Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here 
in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to 
the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know 
if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get 
back home.
Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
Let me know if you can be of help.
Best regards
John

John Lawrence
Pond Brook Farm
455 Flanders Corner Road
Waldoboro, Maine 04572
j123law at aol.com

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From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 27 10:28:35 2015
From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:28:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <20150127150935.8CBC8149B0CE@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150127150935.8CBC8149B0CE@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP2456394015F558B7C7ECAC3B1320@phx.gbl>

Bummer for you John.  Looks like you should have been more careful.

Nick
N1KMP

John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote on 1/27/2015 9:14 AM:
>   - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home.
> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
> Let me know if you can be of help.
> Best regards
> John
>
> John Lawrence
> Pond Brook Farm
> 455 Flanders Corner Road
> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
> j123law at aol.com
>
> 207-605-2154
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From G0ORH at sky.com  Tue Jan 27 10:31:12 2015
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:31:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] S:   My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <c9b5610f37464a088be0fbb144ddb7c0@rickham.net>
References: <20150127150931.46F09149B0AB@mailman.qth.net>
	<c9b5610f37464a088be0fbb144ddb7c0@rickham.net>
Message-ID: <762491FC-17F5-469E-AFB5-933B40D50727@sky.com>

All to common these days I'm afraid.

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:14, Andy <andy at rickham.net> wrote:
> 
> Oh good. A scam to try and get money from us all.
> 
> BEWARE.
> 
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 27 January 2015 15:09
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: S: [Elecraft] My Conditions!   
> - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
> 
> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here 
> in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to 
> the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
> management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
> waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
> not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know 
> if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get 
> back home.
> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
> your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
> Let me know if you can be of help.
> Best regards
> John
> 
> John Lawrence
> Pond Brook Farm
> 455 Flanders Corner Road
> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
> j123law at aol.com
> 
> 207-605-2154
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From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jan 27 10:32:43 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:32:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
References: <20150127150938.89E7A149B24E@mailman.qth.net>
	<54C7AADD.3010601@gci.net>
Message-ID: <400A0B98B5BD47AD94A601268E5086A4@pinnacle05df05>

Gee, yahthink ???
Chas



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Wiley" <jwiley at gci.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Conditions!


> 
> 
> WARNING!!  This is a scam!  This formula has been tried many times. Do 
> NOT respond to this person.
> 
> - Jim, KL7CC
> 
> 
> 


From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jan 27 10:33:48 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:33:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
References: <20150127150935.8CBC8149B0CE@mailman.qth.net>
	<BLU436-SMTP2456394015F558B7C7ECAC3B1320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <687E275D20B44CA29BC039122916F177@pinnacle05df05>

Pack some heat next time......

Works for me.

Chas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Kemp" <nkemp1165 at hotmail.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Conditions!


> Bummer for you John.  Looks like you should have been more careful.
>
> Nick
> N1KMP
>
> John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote on 1/27/2015 9:14 AM:
>>   - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>>
>> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded 
>> here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my 
>> way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
>> management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
>> waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
>> not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me 
>> know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I 
>> get back home.
>> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
>> your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
>> Let me know if you can be of help.
>> Best regards
>> John
>>
>> John Lawrence
>> Pond Brook Farm
>> 455 Flanders Corner Road
>> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
>> j123law at aol.com
>>
>> 207-605-2154
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From k2mk at comcast.net  Tue Jan 27 10:37:55 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:37:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1422373075436-7597578.post@n2.nabble.com>

There are a couple of things to think about. How much power are you running?
How close is the receive antenna to your transmitting antenna? Does your
receive only antenna possibly have an interface that can connect to the key
out of the K3? (My Pixel Loop antenna has such a device)

You can also try it out and listen for a clicking noise from the carrier
operated relay inside the K3. It is a protective relay that will energize if
it sees too much power coming in on the RX antenna input. If you hear it
clicking then it is a good idea to consider additional protection.

There are external protective devices available that you can purchase. DX
Engineering and Array Solutions have them I think there are others out
there.

http://www.dxengineering.com/search/department/antennas/section/receive-antennas-and-arrays/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-5000-electronic-rf-limiters?autoview=SKU&N=4294953330%2B4294951218&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending

http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/as_rxfep.htm

73,
Mike K2MK


Elecraft mailing list wrote
> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was
> informed that it is good idea to?build a device that would short the
> dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click with
> each transmission.
> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
> 
> Thank you





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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 27 10:44:24 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:44:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] S:   My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <c9b5610f37464a088be0fbb144ddb7c0@rickham.net>
References: <20150127150931.46F09149B0AB@mailman.qth.net>
	<c9b5610f37464a088be0fbb144ddb7c0@rickham.net>
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Thread closed.  Please ignore.

Eric
List Moderator
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> On Jan 27, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Andy <andy at rickham.net> wrote:
> 
> Oh good. A scam to try and get money from us all.
> 
> BEWARE.
> 
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> From: "John Lawrence via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 27 January 2015 15:09
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: S: [Elecraft] My Conditions!   
> - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
> 
> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here 
> in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to 
> the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
> management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
> waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
> not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know 
> if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get 
> back home.
> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
> your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
> Let me know if you can be of help.
> Best regards
> John
> 
> John Lawrence
> Pond Brook Farm
> 455 Flanders Corner Road
> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
> j123law at aol.com
> 
> 207-605-2154
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 11:15:43 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:15:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>

I agree. Operating without a panadapter to see 
what's on a band has become too tedious for me :-)

The only negative on the PX3 for me is the absence 
of the mode where the band stays fixed on the 
display while your cursor moves across it as you 
change frequency. Once (or if!) that is added to 
my PX3 it will be well-nigh perfect.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 5:23 AM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I have both the P3 for my K3 station ( main station) and PX3 for my KX3
> station ( beach house station). And think they are an excellent addition
> for both contesting and chasing DX in a pileup.
>
> Irwin KD3TB
>
> On Monday, January 26, 2015, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I would like to know what people think of the new Panadapter.  I am
>> considering adding it to my portable station.  I would like to know what
>> people think of its features and the usefulness (and drawbacks) in a
>> portable configuration.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 11:17:01 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] band stack macro programming
Message-ID: <1509067520.1247520.1422375421822.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All
Does anybody have a working bandstack macro instruction, howto program macros to do banstacking? (e.g CW/RTTY/SSB) some sort?of step by step or?"easy to?use". I've been using my k3 for couple of years but never been deep into?"macro" programming...shame on meNow before?getting?deep into study (going back to school/manuals)?maybe someone already done it before and help "lazy me".?Any useful macros?are more than welcome
Tnx for hints
vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel

From rick.prather at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 11:47:01 2015
From: rick.prather at gmail.com (Rick Prather)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:47:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

A lot depends on what your operating interests are.

For example, if you are a DX'er I would recommend RUMLog.  Especially with
a K3/KX3.

It does a superior job of tracking DX, spotting summary and LoTW handling.

And, the price is right!

73,

Rick
K6LE

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am curious.
>
> I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
> past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
> use with the KX-3 and why?
>
> Mark
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 27 12:04:59 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:04:59 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
Message-ID: <201501271705.t0RH50bu030929@denali.acsalaska.net>

An alternative to a relay (which should ground the sub-receiver ant) 
is using a pin diode to short the input.

Typically one uses a coupling capacitor to isolate the antenna from 
the circuit which will have a low value of dc bias to turn on the pin 
diode which will conduct to ground and short the antenna ckt.  I 
assume the K3 sub-receiver antenna ckt is capacitively coupled to 
isolate it dc wise.  Use a RF choke between pin diode and antenna to 
keep from loading the antenna in normal use.  hint: google pin diode 
antenna switching.

Use KEY OUT ckt from the K3 to control the pin diode via a transistor 
switch that applies the bias thru a dropping resistor.  You will have 
to do some design work - not plug-n-play freebie

Many ham rigs that do QSK use pin-diode TR switching.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 27 12:19:12 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] band stack macro programming
In-Reply-To: <1509067520.1247520.1422375421822.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1509067520.1247520.1422375421822.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C7C890.5030008@embarqmail.com>

Daniel,

I am not going to answer your question because I have no answers about 
macros.
However, I can offer you an alternative that I find useful.
First, I have programmed the first 10 K3 memory locations with "Quick 
Memories", so I do not have to use the band up/down buttons - just tap 
M>V and then one of the number buttons to switch to the last used 
frequency on a band.

Then I have programmed memories for the M1-M3 buttons on each band. M1 
takes me to the center of my operating range for CW, M2 for DATA modes, 
and M3 for SSB.
I reserve M4 for saving any frequency/mode of interest on that band - a 
double tap of the V>M button followed by a tap of the M4 button will 
save any frequency/mode of interest so I can return to it with a tap of 
the M>V button followed by a tap of the M4 button.

I know that is not exactly what you asked, but it works for the way I 
operate.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 1/27/2015 11:17 AM, VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi All
> Does anybody have a working bandstack macro instruction, howto program macros to do banstacking? (e.g CW/RTTY/SSB) some sort of step by step or "easy to use". I've been using my k3 for couple of years but never been deep into "macro" programming...shame on meNow before getting deep into study (going back to school/manuals) maybe someone already done it before and help "lazy me". Any useful macros are more than welcome
> Tnx for hints
> vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jan 27 12:20:29 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:20:29 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
Message-ID: <201501271720.t0RHKUb2057932@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Harry,

Others may have replied off the list, so what I say my be redundant:

You are confusing RF bandwidth with audio bandwidth.

For AM 6-KHz RF bandwidth is proper for best quality demodulation and 
either AM or FM filters work as bandwidth is controlled by DSP ckts 
and not by the roofing filters.  Audio output of the K3 is limited to 
4-KHz so you will note that you cannot open the bandwidth higher than 
4-KHz in SSB (FM is fixed and you will see "N/A" if you try to adjust 
the "width" knob).  BTW I see 5-KHz displayed at max width in AM on 
my K3 (still, I believe audio is limited to 4-KHz)(I am using the 
13-KHz roofing filter for AM).

Note: I do not have the P3 so what it displays may be counter to what 
I have said (my comments are for the K3).

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
Message-ID:
         <631043647.573239.1422324055017.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I noticed something odd when receiving AM.
I have the AM and the FM filter installed and both enabled for AM Receiving.
The manual states:In AM mode, the I.F. bandwidth required for good 
fidelity is about twice the AF bandwidth.?This is why a 6 kHz or 
wider crystal filter is needed to effectively use the 3 kHz 
NORM?setting. If a 15 kHz FM filter is installed, it can be used in 
AM mode to provide good?fidelity at even higher AF bandwidth settings.?

Watching on The P3 as I adjust the Filter width between 1.3 kHz and 3 
kHz it tracks properly but?between 3 kHz and 5 kHz it's really only 
varying between 3 kHz and 4 kHz (with 4 being the max)?3 = 3 , 3.5 = 
3.25, 3.5 = 4, 4.5 = 3.75, 5 = 4
I confirmed this by loading up Spectrogram and looking at the audio 
output and it tracks the same way.
To further test I went in to SSB mode set FC to 2 kHz and BW to 4 kHz 
then moved the shift ?to 2.2 kHz and the output moved to 4.2 kHz and 
the P3 tracked it as well as Spectracom.
I also looked at the Spectracom display in FM Mode with the squelch 
open ?and it appears that the audio?stages could easily reproduce out 
to 6 kHz with little roll off and ?even displayed out to a bit over 18 kHz.

Have others noticed this?


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 12:26:17 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:26:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] band stack macro programming
In-Reply-To: <54C7C890.5030008@embarqmail.com>
References: <54C7C890.5030008@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <927157632.1281047.1422379577252.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Don, 
This is a good workaround solution and avoid macro programming. I think for the moment I'll go with non-macro solution until I get more study :-) in programming
Tnx 4 helpvy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel
      From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
 To: VE3GNO Daniel <yo3gjc at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] band stack macro programming
   
Daniel,

I am not going to answer your question because I have no answers about 
macros.
However, I can offer you an alternative that I find useful.
First, I have programmed the first 10 K3 memory locations with "Quick 
Memories", so I do not have to use the band up/down buttons - just tap 
M>V and then one of the number buttons to switch to the last used 
frequency on a band.

Then I have programmed memories for the M1-M3 buttons on each band. M1 
takes me to the center of my operating range for CW, M2 for DATA modes, 
and M3 for SSB.
I reserve M4 for saving any frequency/mode of interest on that band - a 
double tap of the V>M button followed by a tap of the M4 button will 
save any frequency/mode of interest so I can return to it with a tap of 
the M>V button followed by a tap of the M4 button.

I know that is not exactly what you asked, but it works for the way I 
operate.

73,
Don W3FPR




On 1/27/2015 11:17 AM, VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi All
> Does anybody have a working bandstack macro instruction, howto program macros to do banstacking? (e.g CW/RTTY/SSB) some sort of step by step or "easy to use". I've been using my k3 for couple of years but never been deep into "macro" programming...shame on meNow before getting deep into study (going back to school/manuals) maybe someone already done it before and help "lazy me". Any useful macros are more than welcome
> Tnx for hints
> vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel
>



   

From k6ufo at arrl.net  Tue Jan 27 12:35:20 2015
From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:35:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Want: KRX3 sub-receiver for K3
Message-ID: <1249620209.1253014.1422380120743.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm looking for a KRX3 sub-receiver for the K3. Please 
let me know if you have one available. Kit or assembled, 
with or without filter. Thanks, K6UFO 
 k6ufo at arrl dot net 

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 12:57:24 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:57:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C7D184.4080807@socal.rr.com>

Sounds positively intoxicating, Rick :-)

Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 8:47 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
> Mark,
>
> A lot depends on what your operating interests are.
>
> For example, if you are a DX'er I would recommend RUMLog.  Especially with
> a K3/KX3.
>
> It does a superior job of tracking DX, spotting summary and LoTW handling.
>
> And, the price is right!
>
> 73,
>
> Rick
> K6LE


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 13:03:01 2015
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:03:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <54C7D184.4080807@socal.rr.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C7D184.4080807@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <098d01d03a5b$7dd6abc0$79840340$@gmail.com>

But know to be used by pirates ... ;>)

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Wheeler
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:57 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] software

Sounds positively intoxicating, Rick :-)

Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 8:47 AM, Rick Prather wrote:
> Mark,
>
> A lot depends on what your operating interests are.
>
> For example, if you are a DX'er I would recommend RUMLog.  Especially 
> with a K3/KX3.
>
> It does a superior job of tracking DX, spotting summary and LoTW handling.
>
> And, the price is right!
>
> 73,
>
> Rick
> K6LE

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jan 27 13:04:56 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:04:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,1/27/2015 8:15 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> The only negative on the PX3 for me is the absence of the mode where 
> the band stays fixed on the display while your cursor moves across it 
> as you change frequency. Once (or if!) that is added to my PX3 it will 
> be well-nigh perfect.

This is a BIG negative for me. The current firmware lacks the Fixed Tune 
Mode, which GREATLY reduces its usefulness. To see weak signals, we must 
use lots of averaging and keep the noise near the bottom of the 
amplitude display. But without Fixed Tune Mode, averaging re-starts with 
each QSY, so you can't see those weak signals as you tune the band. I've 
heard that they're working on some limited version of Fixed Tune Mode. 
If it doesn't show up pretty soon, and if it isn't reasonably useful, my 
PX3 will be for sale.

Caps added for emphasis.

73, Jim K9YC

From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 13:33:50 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:33:50 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>
	<54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <02580A45-A55E-4490-82D7-CEC4AC176A27@mac.com>

Jim (and others)...

So, is this limitation of the PX3 going to be fixed to support the fixed tune mode.  Fixed tune is about the only way I use my P3.  Although I need to periodically re-center the cursor on the P3, that is not a problem.

I will not be buying the PX3 (probably) until this is fixed -- does anyone know if it will be fixed?

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue,1/27/2015 8:15 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> The only negative on the PX3 for me is the absence of the mode where the band stays fixed on the display while your cursor moves across it as you change frequency. Once (or if!) that is added to my PX3 it will be well-nigh perfect.
> 
> This is a BIG negative for me. The current firmware lacks the Fixed Tune Mode, which GREATLY reduces its usefulness. To see weak signals, we must use lots of averaging and keep the noise near the bottom of the amplitude display. But without Fixed Tune Mode, averaging re-starts with each QSY, so you can't see those weak signals as you tune the band. I've heard that they're working on some limited version of Fixed Tune Mode. If it doesn't show up pretty soon, and if it isn't reasonably useful, my PX3 will be for sale.
> 
> Caps added for emphasis.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 13:45:42 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:45:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>	<54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>
	<54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <54C7DCD6.7040600@socal.rr.com>

I generally agree, Jim -- though the PX3 even with 
this limitation is better than no panadapter at 
all. And it's far nicer than the Tiny Python 
Panadapter (April 2014 QST) I built earlier.

But I sure hope Wayne and others figure out how to 
add Fixed Tune mode to the PX3; I'd use the rig 
more if it had that capability.

Wayne has mentioned Fixed Tune Mode for the PX3 
("carefully", I'd say) in past posts. Maybe he'll 
chime in with an update.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 10:04 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Tue,1/27/2015 8:15 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> The only negative on the PX3 for me is the 
>> absence of the mode where the band stays fixed 
>> on the display while your cursor moves across 
>> it as you change frequency. Once (or if!) that 
>> is added to my PX3 it will be well-nigh perfect.
>
> This is a BIG negative for me. The current 
> firmware lacks the Fixed Tune Mode, which 
> GREATLY reduces its usefulness. To see weak 
> signals, we must use lots of averaging and keep 
> the noise near the bottom of the amplitude 
> display. But without Fixed Tune Mode, averaging 
> re-starts with each QSY, so you can't see those 
> weak signals as you tune the band. I've heard 
> that they're working on some limited version of 
> Fixed Tune Mode. If it doesn't show up pretty 
> soon, and if it isn't reasonably useful, my PX3 
> will be for sale.
>
> Caps added for emphasis.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 27 13:46:03 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:46:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <02580A45-A55E-4490-82D7-CEC4AC176A27@mac.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>
	<54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<02580A45-A55E-4490-82D7-CEC4AC176A27@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8DBB2E4F-EB83-4BED-B1F6-84A98EBEACD5@elecraft.com>

Fixed Tune mode for the PX3 is nearly finished. I'll post details when we're ready to do field testing. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim (and others)...
> 
> So, is this limitation of the PX3 going to be fixed to support the fixed tune mode.  Fixed tune is about the only way I use my P3.  Although I need to periodically re-center the cursor on the P3, that is not a problem.
> 
> I will not be buying the PX3 (probably) until this is fixed -- does anyone know if it will be fixed?
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue,1/27/2015 8:15 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>> The only negative on the PX3 for me is the absence of the mode where the band stays fixed on the display while your cursor moves across it as you change frequency. Once (or if!) that is added to my PX3 it will be well-nigh perfect.
>> 
>> This is a BIG negative for me. The current firmware lacks the Fixed Tune Mode, which GREATLY reduces its usefulness. To see weak signals, we must use lots of averaging and keep the noise near the bottom of the amplitude display. But without Fixed Tune Mode, averaging re-starts with each QSY, so you can't see those weak signals as you tune the band. I've heard that they're working on some limited version of Fixed Tune Mode. If it doesn't show up pretty soon, and if it isn't reasonably useful, my PX3 will be for sale.
>> 
>> Caps added for emphasis.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 27 14:07:13 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:07:13 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>

This would only be necessary if you're running high power and/or the antenna to be used with the KRX3 is close to the transmit antenna. Could you describe your antenna system?

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was informed that it is good idea to build a device that would short the dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click with each transmission.
> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
> 
> Thank you
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From PKA at telepost.gl  Tue Jan 27 14:59:13 2015
From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?Windows-1252?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:59:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig RC-1216H use with KPA500
In-Reply-To: <2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>
References: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>,
	<2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2AAAFAFD-74F3-42C2-8E0B-4845A9E852E6@telepost.gl>

I Can recommend the Elecraft sw for control of both KPA and KAT. Using it via Teamviewer and HRD (both available as freeware) You Can easily control the entire combo ( K3, KPA and KAT) from Remote PC. Really no need for expensive external boxes.

Right now I am doing just that from EA8.

73 de OZ4UN
Paul

Sendt fra min iPhone

> Den 27/01/2015 kl. 13.48 skrev Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com>:
> 
> We also have free full remote control software for the KPA500 and KAT500 on our K3 Software page.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote
> 
> I use these with my remote station. 
> 
> These windows programs include both the host and client programs and they provide complete access to the KPA500 and KAT500.
> 
> Also of interest is the free remote software from remotehams.com .  (The author, Brandon, works in our engineering group and we are a sponsor of his web page. ) It includes embedded Voip and control of the K3, KPA500 and antenna rotors that support the high gain serial protocol. This is the s/w I also use for my remote operation.
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m wondering if anyone has an experience with Remote Rig?s RC-1216H, a web-based device to control the KPA500 (among other things).  See:  
>> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>> 
>> The potential benefit is being able to remotely access the KPA500?s controls as well as view forward power and SWR, but being able to do so remotely using the RC-1216H through a web browser.  
>> 
>> Ham Radio Outlet carries the Remote Rig product line, but they don?t carry this particular product.  Consequently, I?m also wondering what the best approach might be to obtaining one in the US.   Is there anyone in the US that carries it, or is my only option to order it directly from Sweden?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Folkston, GA
>> Westborough, MA
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 15:41:27 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:41:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <8DBB2E4F-EB83-4BED-B1F6-84A98EBEACD5@elecraft.com>
References: <CALyK5YGqyy3oW8j9i0URLaM35V7LVvSKOg1jG6L6C1ihxRAy6g@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGC7P24s16oi2uFqG2oZkYEW7Ftg7rHe-R62p=6xQQqef0qEzw@mail.gmail.com>	<54C7B9AF.7070701@socal.rr.com>	<54C7D348.30506@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<02580A45-A55E-4490-82D7-CEC4AC176A27@mac.com>
	<8DBB2E4F-EB83-4BED-B1F6-84A98EBEACD5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54C7F7F7.2090901@socal.rr.com>

Thanks for that update, Wayne. I'm waiting with 
great anticipation :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 10:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Fixed Tune mode for the PX3 is nearly finished. I'll post details when we're ready to do field testing.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From k1htv at comcast.net  Tue Jan 27 15:54:00 2015
From: k1htv at comcast.net (Rich - K1HTV)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:54:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <893281448.1454151.1422391746364.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <126357699.1454720.1422392040694.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

John, we on the Elecraft reflector can't help you, but there are some folks in Nigeria, who write to most of us, who say that they have millions of dollars. I'm sure that they would love to send you some money to help you out. :-)

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =

> John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote on 1/27/2015 9:14 AM:
>>   - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>>
>> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded 
>> here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my 
>> way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
>> management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
>> waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
>> not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me 
>> know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I 
>> get back home.
>> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
>> your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
>> Let me know if you can be of help.
>> Best regards
>> John
>>
>> John Lawrence
>> Pond Brook Farm
>> 455 Flanders Corner Road
>> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
>> j123law at aol.com
>>
>> 207-605-2154

From bbaines at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 15:54:09 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:54:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig RC-1216H use with KPA500
In-Reply-To: <2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>
References: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>
	<2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <58A7F1B2-60CF-4A37-9DC7-FE1E9B6755F2@mac.com>

Eric:

Thanks for the suggestion.  Some of the software options are certainly worthy of a closer look.

Since my primary use of the K3 is through remote access, I'm looking for simple, reliable equipment connections that allow as much flexibility  as possible with minimal "fuss."  Here are some thoughts for your consideration:

1.  While the use of a PC at the radio site is certainly an option, it also introduces an additional failure point as well as extra cost as the PC is up and running all the time.  It also adds to complexity by having to setup, learn and run two different software packages, one on the PC at the radio site and another on the laptop at the operator's location.

2.  The RC-1215H approach is far simpler to install as it is a stand alone box with a RS-232 connection to connect the KPA500.  All it requires is an ethernet connection. No special software is needed, only an internet browser as the "smarts" in the device interfaces with the RS-232 data coming/going to the amplifier.  Any OS can be used on the connecting computer (Mac, Linux, Windows, even a tablet such as an iPAD through WiFi) as it is "cloud computing" with no special software. 

3.  The RC-1216H complements the Remote Rig with K3/0-Mini as it makes possible full control of the KPA500 and the Remote Rig setup allows full control of the K3.  

4.  As the popularity of Remoting increases, operators will be looking for simplified solutions to gaining full control of their ham stations.  What sold me on the K3 was the K3/0-Mini, allowing full front panel control of the K3 and good audio connections between station and remote location.  I had some initial "hiccups" due to my network configuration, but once those problems were resolved, it has been fun to use.  I do have the ability to remote turn my rotator and use the WN-2 through a USB-to-Ethernet device from Digi International called Anywhere/USB2.  However, this approach requires the use of Windows as Digi International only provides drivers for Windows.  

5.  I don't currently have a good way to control the KPA500 without using a PC at the shack and for the reasons above would like to avoid it.  FWIW, in using a Lantronix serial-to-ethernet device in order to avoid the PC at the shack, I'm able to remotely connect to the KAT500 from the "control" PC from my remote location and thus avoid the need for the PC at the shack, but this approach still requires Windows on my local PC (e.g. MacBook running Parallels/Win7 Pro or run Bootcamp w/Win7 Pro) due to Lantronix and Digi International only offer Windows software utilities for a personal computer to create the serial ports for their devices to work with.   So far, I have been unable to get the KPA500 connection using a Lantronix serial-to-ethernet device as the interface.  

Given Elecraft's apparent interest in creating relatively painless solutions for remote operations, I would encourage the company to consider future offerings for full complementing of remote operations, including amplifier, tuner, and rotator control.  Stocking the RC-1216H and offering the unit as part of the Remote Rig package through Elecraft is one option. Developing your own "box" that can handle the KPA500 and KAT500 through ethernet interface and web browser interface is another option.  Looking at key station accessories, such as rotors, and offering an integrated package that includes these components is a third option. In each case, the ability to connect seamlessly through a browser offers real advantages since the user can then use whatever platform (Windows, Mac OSX, Linux) they prefer.  That said, there is the question of how to interface the rotor so that reporting of antenna position and commanding rotor positioning can be accomplished while running logging and other programs.

Food for thought,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Westborough, MA
Folkston, GA






> On Jan 27, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> We also have free full remote control software for the KPA500 and KAT500 on our K3 Software page.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote
> 
> I use these with my remote station. 
> 
> These windows programs include both the host and client programs and they provide complete access to the KPA500 and KAT500.
> 
> Also of interest is the free remote software from remotehams.com .  (The author, Brandon, works in our engineering group and we are a sponsor of his web page. ) It includes embedded Voip and control of the K3, KPA500 and antenna rotors that support the high gain serial protocol. This is the s/w I also use for my remote operation.
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m wondering if anyone has an experience with Remote Rig?s RC-1216H, a web-based device to control the KPA500 (among other things).  See:  
>> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>> 
>> The potential benefit is being able to remotely access the KPA500?s controls as well as view forward power and SWR, but being able to do so remotely using the RC-1216H through a web browser.  
>> 
>> Ham Radio Outlet carries the Remote Rig product line, but they don?t carry this particular product.  Consequently, I?m also wondering what the best approach might be to obtaining one in the US.   Is there anyone in the US that carries it, or is my only option to order it directly from Sweden?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Folkston, GA
>> Westborough, MA
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From bbaines at mac.com  Tue Jan 27 15:55:11 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:55:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Rig RC-1216H use with KPA500
In-Reply-To: <2C5F2582-D013-41B9-BD04-252965B110C8@elecraft.com>
References: <C7587BB0-04B4-4DFA-BF69-E17C6E059D4D@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <B53CE5BB-BCC8-4548-A123-2062BB961A6C@mac.com>

Eric:

Thanks for the suggestion.  Some of the software options are certainly worthy of a closer look.

Since my primary use of the K3 is through remote access, I'm looking for simple, reliable equipment connections that allow as much flexibility  as possible with minimal "fuss."  Here are some thoughts for your consideration:

1.  While the use of a PC at the radio site is certainly an option, it also introduces an additional failure point as well as extra cost as the PC is up and running all the time.  It also adds to complexity by having to setup, learn and run two different software packages, one on the PC at the radio site and another on the laptop at the operator's location.

2.  The RC-1215H approach is far simpler to install as it is a stand alone box with a RS-232 connection to connect the KPA500.  All it requires is an ethernet connection. No special software is needed, only an internet browser as the "smarts" in the device interfaces with the RS-232 data coming/going to the amplifier.  Any OS can be used on the connecting computer (Mac, Linux, Windows, even a tablet such as an iPAD through WiFi) as it is "cloud computing" with no special software. 

3.  The RC-1216H complements the Remote Rig with K3/0-Mini as it makes possible full control of the KPA500 and the Remote Rig setup allows full control of the K3.  

4.  As the popularity of Remoting increases, operators will be looking for simplified solutions to gaining full control of their ham stations.  What sold me on the K3 was the K3/0-Mini, allowing full front panel control of the K3 and good audio connections between station and remote location.  I had some initial "hiccups" due to my network configuration, but once those problems were resolved, it has been fun to use.  I do have the ability to remote turn my rotator and use the WN-2 through a USB-to-Ethernet device from Digi International called Anywhere/USB2.  However, this approach requires the use of Windows as Digi International only provides drivers for Windows.  

5.  I don't currently have a good way to control the KPA500 without using a PC at the shack and for the reasons above would like to avoid it.  FWIW, in using a Lantronix serial-to-ethernet device in order to avoid the PC at the shack, I'm able to remotely connect to the KAT500 from the "control" PC from my remote location and thus avoid the need for the PC at the shack, but this approach still requires Windows on my local PC (e.g. MacBook running Parallels/Win7 Pro or run Bootcamp w/Win7 Pro) due to Lantronix and Digi International only offer Windows software utilities for a personal computer to create the serial ports for their devices to work with.   So far, I have been unable to get the KPA500 connection using a Lantronix serial-to-ethernet device as the interface.  

Given Elecraft's apparent interest in creating relatively painless solutions for remote operations, I would encourage the company to consider future offerings for full complementing of remote operations, including amplifier, tuner, and rotator control.  Stocking the RC-1216H and offering the unit as part of the Remote Rig package through Elecraft is one option. Developing your own "box" that can handle the KPA500 and KAT500 through ethernet interface and web browser interface is another option.  Looking at key station accessories, such as rotors, and offering an integrated package that includes these components is a third option. In each case, the ability to connect seamlessly through a browser offers real advantages since the user can then use whatever platform (Windows, Mac OSX, Linux) they prefer.  That said, there is the question of how to interface the rotor so that reporting of antenna position and commanding rotor positioning can be accomplished while running logging and other programs.

Food for thought,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Westborough, MA
Folkston, GA






> On Jan 27, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> We also have free full remote control software for the KPA500 and KAT500 on our K3 Software page.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote
> 
> I use these with my remote station. 
> 
> These windows programs include both the host and client programs and they provide complete access to the KPA500 and KAT500.
> 
> Also of interest is the free remote software from remotehams.com .  (The author, Brandon, works in our engineering group and we are a sponsor of his web page. ) It includes embedded Voip and control of the K3, KPA500 and antenna rotors that support the high gain serial protocol. This is the s/w I also use for my remote operation.
> 
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m wondering if anyone has an experience with Remote Rig?s RC-1216H, a web-based device to control the KPA500 (among other things).  See:  
>> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>> 
>> The potential benefit is being able to remotely access the KPA500?s controls as well as view forward power and SWR, but being able to do so remotely using the RC-1216H through a web browser.  
>> 
>> Ham Radio Outlet carries the Remote Rig product line, but they don?t carry this particular product.  Consequently, I?m also wondering what the best approach might be to obtaining one in the US.   Is there anyone in the US that carries it, or is my only option to order it directly from Sweden?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Folkston, GA
>> Westborough, MA
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Tue Jan 27 16:41:45 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:41:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
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Perhaps you could clarify protection on RX inputs. I have the KRX3 and 
run the internal 100 watt amp.
Sometimes I share the same antenna with TX,  ANT 1 or ANT2. I assumed 
there that the RX is protected.
Sometimes I use the AUX antenna for diversity receive. Is that input not 
protected? When does it need to be?

Is there a general rule?

TNX and love the rig: K3, P3, KXR3 and 100 watt internal amp.

Phil, W0XI, KS

> Wayne Burdick <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Tuesday, January 27, 2015 1:07 PM
> This would only be necessary if you're running high power and/or the 
> antenna to be used with the KRX3 is close to the transmit antenna. 
> Could you describe your antenna system?
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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> Harry Yingst via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:12 AM
> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was 
> informed that it is good idea to build a device that would short the 
> dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click 
> with each transmission.
> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
>
> Thank you
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 16:45:18 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 13:45:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <20150127150933.346C2149B113@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150127150933.346C2149B113@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C806EE.1000701@socal.rr.com>

I've gotten such messages from folks in my address 
book. Usually means thier email acct has been 
hi-jacked and they may have no idea of it. Usually 
these go to private addresses. This is the first 
I've seen addressed to an email list!

Phil W7OX

On 1/27/15 7:14 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote:
>   - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home.
> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
> Let me know if you can be of help.
> Best regards
> John
>
> John Lawrence
> Pond Brook Farm
> 455 Flanders Corner Road
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> j123law at aol.com
>
> 207-605-2154


From 2mysystem at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 17:27:41 2015
From: 2mysystem at gmail.com (Chas H)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with "other" I/Q Receiver?
Message-ID: <CALfMmK+pbjYthFFz8TVRxc_DwVNvCiatmpj_nbpkQ_LJ4VUxMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone used the PX3 Panadapter with a receiver that has I/Q outputs
other than the KX3 such as the Softrock or ??

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 27 17:50:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <54C80619.2030001@sunflower.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
	<54C80619.2030001@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <54C81631.8050500@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

The K3 ANT1 and ANT2 connections are not of concern, they are protected 
by the T/R circuits in the K3.

The AUX ant is protected by a COR (Carrier Operated Relay) that will 
activate if there is too much RF being brought in by the AUX antenna.  
While it should protect the K3 (and KRX3) from damage, you will hear the 
COR clicking as you transmit.
If you do hear such relay clicking, the "cure" is to move the RX antenna 
further out of the field of the TX antenna, or provide some form of 
external 'protection' such as shorting the RX antenna input during TX or 
alternate means of disconnecting the RX antenna during RX.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/27/2015 4:41 PM, Phil Anderson wrote:
> Perhaps you could clarify protection on RX inputs. I have the KRX3 and 
> run the internal 100 watt amp.
> Sometimes I share the same antenna with TX,  ANT 1 or ANT2. I assumed 
> there that the RX is protected.
> Sometimes I use the AUX antenna for diversity receive. Is that input 
> not protected? When does it need to be?
>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Tue Jan 27 17:52:12 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with "other" I/Q Receiver?
Message-ID: <0NIU00DT3Y73NUA0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi
It would not work properly as is. I think one would need to send information to the px3 via the serial port to establish the centre frequency,? markers, and respond to qsy''s.etc. as well as react to requests coming from the px3.
Assuming these are standard api type? commands it could be a possibility. Could be a fun project. 
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 27, 2015 5:27 PM, Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the PX3 Panadapter with a receiver that has I/Q outputs 
> other than the KX3 such as the Softrock or ?? 
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From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 17:53:08 2015
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <D1BD4AB7-B8CD-49C9-BF51-0B426787C127@gmail.com>

Wayne,   can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?   I ask this because my K3 returning from a trip to Elecraft after damaging the front end.   I assume it happened when I was testing an old boat anchor (Viking II, 100 watts) on an antenna 15? feet away and parallel to the K3?s antenna.  How far is enough?  Yes, I realize that?s probably too close but at this point I am concerned.   

I know the K3 is popular in Field Day and DXpedition operation so obviously it can work, but I?d like some guidelines.  

Thanks,

Ken WA8JXM 

> On Jan 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This would only be necessary if you're running high power and/or the antenna to be used with the KRX3 is close to the transmit antenna. Could you describe your antenna system?
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Tue Jan 27 18:10:17 2015
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:10:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
Message-ID: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>

Yes....please Wayne.


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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ken <wa8jxm at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:01/27/2015  5:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> </div><div>Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input </div><div>
</div>Wayne,   can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?   I ask this because my K3 returning from a trip to Elecraft after damaging the front end.   I assume it happened when I was testing an old boat anchor (Viking II, 100 watts) on an antenna 15? feet away and parallel to the K3?s antenna.  How far is enough?  Yes, I realize that?s probably too close but at this point I am concerned.   

I know the K3 is popular in Field Day and DXpedition operation so obviously it can work, but I?d like some guidelines.  

Thanks,

Ken WA8JXM 

> On Jan 27, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This would only be necessary if you're running high power and/or the antenna to be used with the KRX3 is close to the transmit antenna. Could you describe your antenna system?
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Jan 27 18:23:12 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:23:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <D1BD4AB7-B8CD-49C9-BF51-0B426787C127@gmail.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<4C8C165C-46D1-4F03-9F80-BC139E76B8A3@elecraft.com>
	<D1BD4AB7-B8CD-49C9-BF51-0B426787C127@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C81DE0.8020407@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

I am not Wayne, but I can tell you that you question does not have a 
single answer.
Do you run an amplifier?  More power requires greater separation between 
the TX and the RX antennas.

Another factor is the orientation of the antennas.  An RX antenna in the 
null pattern of the TX antenna will not pick up a lot of TX RF, while an 
RX antenna broadside to the full TX antenna RF will be a problem.

If the antennas have orthogonal polarity (one horizontal and one 
vertical), that will reduce the pickup on the RX antenna during TX.

So a lot depends on the type of RX antenna, its orientation, its 
directivity, and a vast array of other factors.  There is no one answer 
to your question, it all depends on your installation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/27/2015 5:53 PM, Ken wrote:
> Wayne,   can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?   I ask this because my K3 returning from a trip to Elecraft after damaging the front end.   I assume it happened when I was testing an old boat anchor (Viking II, 100 watts) on an antenna 15? feet away and parallel to the K3?s antenna.  How far is enough?  Yes, I realize that?s probably too close but at this point I am concerned.
>
> I know the K3 is popular in Field Day and DXpedition operation so obviously it can work, but I?d like some guidelines.
>
>


From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Tue Jan 27 18:31:12 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:31:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
In-Reply-To: <201501271720.t0RHKUb2057932@huffman.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501271720.t0RHKUb2057932@huffman.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <845A3D12-7F4D-49D4-9C25-C0B0865D0712@tx.rr.com>

If you use Sync AM mode, the K3 is single (selectable) sideband on AM.  The bandwidth you see displayed is NOT the DSB bandwidth, it is the bandwidth of the ONE sideband that is being received.  So if you open the bandwidth display to say 4 kHz, in sync mode, you are receiving one sideband, with an IF bandwidth of 4 Khz and and effective DSB bandwidth of 8 KHz.

IMO, the sync AM mode in the K3 is one of the best sync detectors I?ve used (pick one, I?ve probably used it).

Grant NQ5T


> On Jan 27, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> Harry,
> 
> Others may have replied off the list, so what I say my be redundant:
> 
> You are confusing RF bandwidth with audio bandwidth.
> 
> For AM 6-KHz RF bandwidth is proper for best quality demodulation and either AM or FM filters work as bandwidth is controlled by DSP ckts and not by the roofing filters.  Audio output of the K3 is limited to 4-KHz so you will note that you cannot open the bandwidth higher than 4-KHz in SSB (FM is fixed and you will see "N/A" if you try to adjust the "width" knob).  BTW I see 5-KHz displayed at max width in AM on my K3 (still, I believe audio is limited to 4-KHz)(I am using the 13-KHz roofing filter for AM).
> 
> Note: I do not have the P3 so what it displays may be counter to what I have said (my comments are for the K3).
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> 
> From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
> Message-ID:
>        <631043647.573239.1422324055017.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> I noticed something odd when receiving AM.
> I have the AM and the FM filter installed and both enabled for AM Receiving.
> The manual states:In AM mode, the I.F. bandwidth required for good fidelity is about twice the AF bandwidth.?This is why a 6 kHz or wider crystal filter is needed to effectively use the 3 kHz NORM?setting. If a 15 kHz FM filter is installed, it can be used in AM mode to provide good?fidelity at even higher AF bandwidth settings.?
> 
> Watching on The P3 as I adjust the Filter width between 1.3 kHz and 3 kHz it tracks properly but?between 3 kHz and 5 kHz it's really only varying between 3 kHz and 4 kHz (with 4 being the max)?3 = 3 , 3.5 = 3.25, 3.5 = 4, 4.5 = 3.75, 5 = 4
> I confirmed this by loading up Spectrogram and looking at the audio output and it tracks the same way.
> To further test I went in to SSB mode set FC to 2 kHz and BW to 4 kHz then moved the shift ?to 2.2 kHz and the output moved to 4.2 kHz and the P3 tracked it as well as Spectracom.
> I also looked at the Spectracom display in FM Mode with the squelch open ?and it appears that the audio?stages could easily reproduce out to 6 kHz with little roll off and ?even displayed out to a bit over 18 kHz.
> 
> Have others noticed this?
> 
> 


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 18:45:25 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:45:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>

In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna 
connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, and 
preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK.

Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running up 
to 1 kW, 30 dB if running up to 100W and 20 dB if running up to 10W.  
You might get away with 10 dB less coupling. If you can't get this level 
of isolation by physical separation and/or orientation of the antennas, 
provide some external means of reducing the signal to the receiver input.

Yes, the K3 inputs are tested to higher levels than this, but why stress 
the radio and risk damage to or degradation of the receiver(s)?

If you hear the receiver COR relay click when using the other 
transmitter, reduce the coupling between the antennas or otherwise 
prevent the excess energy from reaching the receiver input.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> ...can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 18:48:25 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:48:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C823C9.1050901@gmail.com>


> In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna 
> connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, 
> and preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK.
>
> Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running 
> up to 1 kW, 30 dB if running up to 100W and 20 dB if running up to 
> 10W.  You might get away with 10 dB less coupling.

Of course, I meant 10 dB *more* coupling, or 10 dB *less* isolation.

> If you can't get this level of isolation by physical separation and/or 
> orientation of the antennas, provide some external means of reducing 
> the signal to the receiver input.
>
> Yes, the K3 inputs are tested to higher levels than this, but why 
> stress the radio and risk damage to or degradation of the receiver(s)?
>
> If you hear the receiver COR relay click when using the other 
> transmitter, reduce the coupling between the antennas or otherwise 
> prevent the excess energy from reaching the receiver input.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
>> ...can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation 
>> when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?
>
>


From wes at triconet.org  Tue Jan 27 19:01:53 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:01:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] software
In-Reply-To: <CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyK5YGKrGqo=JONiouZ1M5+98=J2Do-bKe8VAez9F5xzDQRbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAEtO3mPS995rQt79mA0rHE4_ExDNnikMXkP+E95GVaKwJ_8kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5AA2D4-08EC-44D9-B06A-C9438544FF63@triconet.org>

Except you need a Mac, right?

On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Rick Prather <rick.prather at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> A lot depends on what your operating interests are.
> 
> For example, if you are a DX'er I would recommend RUMLog.  Especially with
> a K3/KX3.
> 
> It does a superior job of tracking DX, spotting summary and LoTW handling.
> 
> And, the price is right!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick
> K6LE
> 
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Mark Tellez <aar6ea at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I am curious.
>> 
>> I am fairly new to the KX3.   I have used several software packages in the
>> past with my base stations including MacLogger and HRD.   What do people
>> use with the KX-3 and why?
>> 
>> Mark
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 19:07:52 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:07:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
References: <54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <996406903.925099.1422403672924.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you


      From: Lyle Johnson <kk7p4dsp at gmail.com>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
   
In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna 
connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, and 
preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK.

Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running up 
to 1 kW, 30 dB if running up to 100W and 20 dB if running up to 10W.? 
You might get away with 10 dB less coupling. If you can't get this level 
of isolation by physical separation and/or orientation of the antennas, 
provide some external means of reducing the signal to the receiver input.

Yes, the K3 inputs are tested to higher levels than this, but why stress 
the radio and risk damage to or degradation of the receiver(s)?

If you hear the receiver COR relay click when using the other 
transmitter, reduce the coupling between the antennas or otherwise 
prevent the excess energy from reaching the receiver input.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> ...can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna?

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 19:37:33 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:37:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
In-Reply-To: <201501271720.t0RHKUb2057932@huffman.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501271720.t0RHKUb2057932@huffman.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <1562316243.932051.1422405453364.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Not confusing them just providing details so others can replicate.







      From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
   
Harry,

Others may have replied off the list, so what I say my be redundant:

You are confusing RF bandwidth with audio bandwidth.

For AM 6-KHz RF bandwidth is proper for best quality demodulation and 
either AM or FM filters work as bandwidth is controlled by DSP ckts 
and not by the roofing filters.? Audio output of the K3 is limited to 
4-KHz so you will note that you cannot open the bandwidth higher than 
4-KHz in SSB (FM is fixed and you will see "N/A" if you try to adjust 
the "width" knob).? BTW I see 5-KHz displayed at max width in AM on 
my K3 (still, I believe audio is limited to 4-KHz)(I am using the 
13-KHz roofing filter for AM).

Note: I do not have the P3 so what it displays may be counter to what 
I have said (my comments are for the K3).

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving AM on the K3 - Odd behavior
Message-ID:
? ? ? ? <631043647.573239.1422324055017.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I noticed something odd when receiving AM.
I have the AM and the FM filter installed and both enabled for AM Receiving.
The manual states:In AM mode, the I.F. bandwidth required for good 
fidelity is about twice the AF bandwidth.?This is why a 6 kHz or 
wider crystal filter is needed to effectively use the 3 kHz 
NORM?setting. If a 15 kHz FM filter is installed, it can be used in 
AM mode to provide good?fidelity at even higher AF bandwidth settings.?

Watching on The P3 as I adjust the Filter width between 1.3 kHz and 3 
kHz it tracks properly but?between 3 kHz and 5 kHz it's really only 
varying between 3 kHz and 4 kHz (with 4 being the max)?3 = 3 , 3.5 = 
3.25, 3.5 = 4, 4.5 = 3.75, 5 = 4
I confirmed this by loading up Spectrogram and looking at the audio 
output and it tracks the same way.
To further test I went in to SSB mode set FC to 2 kHz and BW to 4 kHz 
then moved the shift ?to 2.2 kHz and the output moved to 4.2 kHz and 
the P3 tracked it as well as Spectracom.
I also looked at the Spectracom display in FM Mode with the squelch 
open ?and it appears that the audio?stages could easily reproduce out 
to 6 kHz with little roll off and ?even displayed out to a bit over 18 kHz.

Have others noticed this?


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
? ? "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
? ? dubususa at gmail.com

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From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 20:08:30 2015
From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Lido Mount for the KX3
Message-ID: <CAHk01bCWYduWzbsmb3LZmN0zObkdAO0mwBwjPB5UJbX2JGQf7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone used the Lido Mount for the KX3?  I was curious to know if they
had anything that I could adapt to fit the KX3 and low and behold, there
was already one there...

Here's a link if you don't know what I'm talking about:
http://www.lidomounts.com/kx3mount.html

73,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn

From pauls at elecraft.com  Tue Jan 27 20:11:48 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:11:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.35/SVGA 1.22 BETA Firmware available
Message-ID: <1422407508257-7597615.post@n2.nabble.com>

New BETA firmware for the P3/SVGA is available for download from: P3/SVGA
BETA FIRMWARE
<ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta/P30135SVGA0122_BETA.zip>  

This new BETA release fixes a couple of issues found in the previous release
on 1/14/2015 and also adds a few features which carry over from the PX3.  

Release Notes: 

MCU 01.35 / 1-22-2015

* Added stepped span mode, like the PX3, span is stepped 2, 5, 10, 20, 50,
100 & 200 KHz when enabled.
* Added per-band noise blanker enable and level. 
* Added serial commands: 
	#NBn 			NB enable, sets/gets on/off 
	#NBLnn		NB level, sets/gets level 
	#SPMn		Span mode, sets/gets
	#SVWBnn		SVGA waterfall bias, sets/gets 
	#SVDTn		SVGA data on/off, sets/gets
	#SVENn		SVGA enable, sets/gets
	#SVFNn		SVGA font, sets/gets 
	#SVFLn		SVGA fill, sets/gets enable
	#SVRSn		SVGA resolution, sets/gets 
	#WFA	n		Waterfall averaging, sets/gets enable
	#WFCn		Waterfall color, sets/gets
	#WFMn		Waterfall markers, sets/gets enable

* Added ?NB? icon, displays on right of screen like PX3 when noise blanker
enabled.
* Fixed a bug in which serial command AVG00 would not disable averaging on
SVGA. 



P3SVGA 01.22 / 1-22-2015

* Fixed bug that prevented waterfall markers from turning off from P3 menu
* Fixed a bug that caused the SVGA En (enable/disable) on the P3 to not
work. 


-Paul




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From dmb at lightstream.net  Tue Jan 27 21:11:18 2015
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:11:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <1422373075436-7597578.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1585891255.743900.1422371562624.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1422373075436-7597578.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <51894.71.74.118.201.1422411078.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

I've been using the Array Solutions device (AS-RXFEP) for over a year on
my K3. I have a homebrew magnetic loop connected to the K3 sub rx, with
the loop located about 15 feet from the transmitting ground plane (about
6' above ground). Prior to installing the AS-RXFEP, the sub rx COR would
be triggered with anything over about 25 watts. With the AS-RXFEP in
place, I can run the KPA-500 at 600W without the COR ever tripping.

The S-RXFEP has no relays, requires no supply voltage, and is simply
installed in between the rx antenna and the sub rx antenna input via a
pair of SO-239 connectors.

73, Dale
WA8SRA




> There are a couple of things to think about. How much power are you
> running?
> How close is the receive antenna to your transmitting antenna? Does your
> receive only antenna possibly have an interface that can connect to the
> key
> out of the K3? (My Pixel Loop antenna has such a device)
>
> You can also try it out and listen for a clicking noise from the carrier
> operated relay inside the K3. It is a protective relay that will energize
> if
> it sees too much power coming in on the RX antenna input. If you hear it
> clicking then it is a good idea to consider additional protection.
>
> There are external protective devices available that you can purchase. DX
> Engineering and Array Solutions have them I think there are others out
> there.
>
> http://www.dxengineering.com/search/department/antennas/section/receive-antennas-and-arrays/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-5000-electronic-rf-limiters?autoview=SKU&N=4294953330%2B4294951218&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending
>
> http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/as_rxfep.htm
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> Elecraft mailing list wrote
>> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was
>> informed that it is good idea to??build a device that would short the
>> dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
>> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click
>> with
>> each transmission.
>> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
>>
>> Thank you
>
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 21:21:51 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Protecting the Sub RX input
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNUFKObUAsr8v+1GYPTspMQA=QQbMGCsJ-OAmrHeC_BpA@mail.gmail.com>

I have one of the Array Solutions units protecting my K3.  FWIW,  I have a
KPA500 and a number of antennas on a two acre lot. Translates to lots of
cross-coupling.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 27, 2015 7:11 PM, "dmb at lightstream.net" <dmb at lightstream.net> wrote:

> I've been using the Array Solutions device (AS-RXFEP) for over a year on
> my K3. I have a homebrew magnetic loop connected to the K3 sub rx, with
> the loop located about 15 feet from the transmitting ground plane (about
> 6' above ground). Prior to installing the AS-RXFEP, the sub rx COR would
> be triggered with anything over about 25 watts. With the AS-RXFEP in
> place, I can run the KPA-500 at 600W without the COR ever tripping.
>
> The S-RXFEP has no relays, requires no supply voltage, and is simply
> installed in between the rx antenna and the sub rx antenna input via a
> pair of SO-239 connectors.
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
>
>
>
> > There are a couple of things to think about. How much power are you
> > running?
> > How close is the receive antenna to your transmitting antenna? Does your
> > receive only antenna possibly have an interface that can connect to the
> > key
> > out of the K3? (My Pixel Loop antenna has such a device)
> >
> > You can also try it out and listen for a clicking noise from the carrier
> > operated relay inside the K3. It is a protective relay that will energize
> > if
> > it sees too much power coming in on the RX antenna input. If you hear it
> > clicking then it is a good idea to consider additional protection.
> >
> > There are external protective devices available that you can purchase. DX
> > Engineering and Array Solutions have them I think there are others out
> > there.
> >
> >
> http://www.dxengineering.com/search/department/antennas/section/receive-antennas-and-arrays/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-5000-electronic-rf-limiters?autoview=SKU&N=4294953330%2B4294951218&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending
> >
> > http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/as_rxfep.htm
> >
> > 73,
> > Mike K2MK
> >
> >
> > Elecraft mailing list wrote
> >> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was
> >> informed that it is good idea to? build a device that would short the
> >> dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
> >> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click
> >> with
> >> each transmission.
> >> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >
> >
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Jan 27 21:30:14 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 02:30:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <51894.71.74.118.201.1422411078.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <51894.71.74.118.201.1422411078.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
Message-ID: <1112874155.955678.1422412214689.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you
Sounds like that may be my solution


      From: "dmb at lightstream.net" <dmb at lightstream.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
   
I've been using the Array Solutions device (AS-RXFEP) for over a year on
my K3. I have a homebrew magnetic loop connected to the K3 sub rx, with
the loop located about 15 feet from the transmitting ground plane (about
6' above ground). Prior to installing the AS-RXFEP, the sub rx COR would
be triggered with anything over about 25 watts. With the AS-RXFEP in
place, I can run the KPA-500 at 600W without the COR ever tripping.

The S-RXFEP has no relays, requires no supply voltage, and is simply
installed in between the rx antenna and the sub rx antenna input via a
pair of SO-239 connectors.

73, Dale
WA8SRA




> There are a couple of things to think about. How much power are you
> running?
> How close is the receive antenna to your transmitting antenna? Does your
> receive only antenna possibly have an interface that can connect to the
> key
> out of the K3? (My Pixel Loop antenna has such a device)
>
> You can also try it out and listen for a clicking noise from the carrier
> operated relay inside the K3. It is a protective relay that will energize
> if
> it sees too much power coming in on the RX antenna input. If you hear it
> clicking then it is a good idea to consider additional protection.
>
> There are external protective devices available that you can purchase. DX
> Engineering and Array Solutions have them I think there are others out
> there.
>
> http://www.dxengineering.com/search/department/antennas/section/receive-antennas-and-arrays/product-line/dx-engineering-receiver-guard-5000-electronic-rf-limiters?autoview=SKU&N=4294953330%2B4294951218&sortby=Default&sortorder=Ascending
>
> http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/as_rxfep.htm
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> Elecraft mailing list wrote
>> I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was
>> informed that it is good idea to??build a device that would short the


>> dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit.
>> The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click
>> with
>> each transmission.
>> I was wondering what others are using to accomplish this.
>>
>> Thank you
>
>

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From ka9zap at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 22:12:53 2015
From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:12:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] kd9sv front end saver
Message-ID: <54C853B5.8050600@gmail.com>

*/Harry
Back in my Yaesu days I ran diversity with a force 3 C4 at 65 ft and a 
Hy Tower 20 foot away I never had a problem with the RX antenna input 
the (RCA) input until I bought a FT2000 kerput right off the front end 
went out twice the first 6 months it was back and forth to Yaesu.
So I got a KD9SV Front End Protector it worked great to protect the 
front end poor design of the piece of junk.
You can configure it to also produce a second antenna port which can be 
used as well while protecting the front end.
Check it out well build reasonable price it worked for me.

Regards
Art
ka9zap

kd9sv front end saver
/*

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 01:40:51 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:40:51 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 buttons
Message-ID: <6F8D482D-CA42-4EB6-94C7-92945E6313D1@gmail.com>

I remember talk about the possibility of using P3 buttons to send macro commands to the K3. Is there a plan to make this possible?
I need more buttons!

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

From turnbull at net1.ie  Wed Jan 28 07:45:27 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:45:27 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>

Lyle and company,
     To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other than
the K3's transmitter and external amplifier?   This is my reading and I am
just checking.   Thank you.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle
Johnson
Sent: 27 January 2015 23:45
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna 
connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, and 
preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK.

Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running up 
to 1 kW, 30 dB if running up to 100W and 20 dB if running up to 10W.  
You might get away with 10 dB less coupling. If you can't get this level 
of isolation by physical separation and/or orientation of the antennas, 
provide some external means of reducing the signal to the receiver input.

Yes, the K3 inputs are tested to higher levels than this, but why stress 
the radio and risk damage to or degradation of the receiver(s)?

If you hear the receiver COR relay click when using the other 
transmitter, reduce the coupling between the antennas or otherwise 
prevent the excess energy from reaching the receiver input.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> ...can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when
a transmitter is operating on another antenna?

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 28 08:40:55 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:40:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
	<33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <54C8E6E7.5050802@embarqmail.com>

Doug,

Not necessarily - the K3 RX antenna input can be exposed to RF from the 
TX antenna whether that is the K3 transmitting or another transmitter.
In the case of another transmitter, one can add the exposure to the K3 
normal ANT1 or ANT2 input if an antenna is connected.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2015 7:45 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Lyle and company,
>       To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other than
> the K3's transmitter and external amplifier?   This is my reading and I am
> just checking.   Thank you.
>
>


From k2mk at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 08:48:23 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 06:48:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 NB general question
Message-ID: <1422452903766-7597623.post@n2.nabble.com>

I tried out the P3 NB feature during the 160 meter contest and maybe what I
tested it on was not impulse noise. I had a general noise level at S3 with
periodic 1 or 2 second bursts to S4 or S5 covering the entire band. The NB
feature did not eliminate these short duration noise bursts. I tried NB
levels from 5 to 10. Is this type of noise not the type that can be cleaned
up with the P3 NB feature? 

73,
Mike K2MK



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From neilz at techie.com  Wed Jan 28 09:27:23 2015
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:27:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Software for KX3
Message-ID: <54C8F1CB.1010906@techie.com>

As was mentioned, the software you want to use depends on what your 
plans are.

I've used Ham Radio Deluxe, and the DX Suite's Commander with the KX3 
with no problems.  I've also used some of the digital mode software that 
interfaces with both, WSJT-X for instance, and it works flawlessly.

What I like about the digital modes with the KX3, is all you really need 
is the connections from the KX3 to the computer, although I use an 
external USB sound card as it has a better audio frequency range, as 
well as providing feedback loop isolation.

Neil,
KB3TVU

From neilz at techie.com  Wed Jan 28 09:29:31 2015
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 36
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3907.1422401483.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.3907.1422401483.16640.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <54C8F24B.1020408@techie.com>

Ask, and you shall receive ... well ... most times you'll receive.

I love this company ... :)

Neil,
KB3TVU

On 01/27/15 06:31 pm, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject:
> Re: [Elecraft] Panadapter
> From:
> Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Date:
> 01/27/15 01:46 pm
>
> To:
> Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>
> CC:
> "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
>
> Fixed Tune mode for the PX3 is nearly finished. I'll post details when we're ready to do field testing.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
>> >On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Phil Hystad<phystad at mac.com>  wrote:
>> >
>> >Jim (and others)...
>> >
>> >So, is this limitation of the PX3 going to be fixed to support the fixed tune mode.  Fixed tune is about the only way I use my P3.  Although I need to periodically re-center the cursor on the P3, that is not a problem.
>> >
>> >I will not be buying the PX3 (probably) until this is fixed -- does anyone know if it will be fixed?
>> >
>> >73, phil, K7PEH
>> >
>> >
>>> >>On Jan 27, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Jim Brown<jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>On Tue,1/27/2015 8:15 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>>> >>>The only negative on the PX3 for me is the absence of the mode where the band stays fixed on the display while your cursor moves across it as you change frequency. Once (or if!) that is added to my PX3 it will be well-nigh perfect.
>>> >>
>>> >>This is a BIG negative for me. The current firmware lacks the Fixed Tune Mode, which GREATLY reduces its usefulness. To see weak signals, we must use lots of averaging and keep the noise near the bottom of the amplitude display. But without Fixed Tune Mode, averaging re-starts with each QSY, so you can't see those weak signals as you tune the band. I've heard that they're working on some limited version of Fixed Tune Mode. If it doesn't show up pretty soon, and if it isn't reasonably useful, my PX3 will be for sale.
>>> >>
>>> >>Caps added for emphasis.
>>> >>
>>> >>73, Jim K9YC
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From py2sex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 09:34:22 2015
From: py2sex at gmail.com (PY2SEX - Alex)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:34:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Software for KX3
In-Reply-To: <54C8F1CB.1010906@techie.com>
References: <54C8F1CB.1010906@techie.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY5__n5LWwmwbBoygbkkVs8LDbN8dTzNv3+6F3xR_W8VyMLZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to know a Contest/DXPedition software.
I tried to use N1MM with some macros but I couldn't figure it out how to
make KX3 transmit the "/".
During my stay in Curacao I had to use the keyer because of that. :)
For me, this was the only thing that bothered me, sometimes the KX3 keyer
too, but if I had the computer to TX, this would not be so bad. :)
Does anybody knows if it is possible to fix that?

73
Alex

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:

> As was mentioned, the software you want to use depends on what your plans
> are.
>
> I've used Ham Radio Deluxe, and the DX Suite's Commander with the KX3 with
> no problems.  I've also used some of the digital mode software that
> interfaces with both, WSJT-X for instance, and it works flawlessly.
>
> What I like about the digital modes with the KX3, is all you really need
> is the connections from the KX3 to the computer, although I use an external
> USB sound card as it has a better audio frequency range, as well as
> providing feedback loop isolation.
>
> Neil,
> KB3TVU
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Wed Jan 28 09:55:42 2015
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:55:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Software for KX3
In-Reply-To: <CAAY5__n5LWwmwbBoygbkkVs8LDbN8dTzNv3+6F3xR_W8VyMLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C8F1CB.1010906@techie.com>
	<CAAY5__n5LWwmwbBoygbkkVs8LDbN8dTzNv3+6F3xR_W8VyMLZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C8F86E.7010000@comcast.net>

Alex,
     There is a way to do it, I don't; As I recall it was too much 
trouble. I use a WinKeyer USB with N1MM when I contest. I have zero 
problems this way. I know it's another piece of gear, but the ease is 
great and I can stop sending by just touching my key or add information.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 1/28/2015 9:34 AM, PY2SEX - Alex wrote:
> I would like to know a Contest/DXPedition software.
> I tried to use N1MM with some macros but I couldn't figure it out how to
> make KX3 transmit the "/".
> During my stay in Curacao I had to use the keyer because of that. :)
> For me, this was the only thing that bothered me, sometimes the KX3 keyer
> too, but if I had the computer to TX, this would not be so bad. :)
> Does anybody knows if it is possible to fix that?
>
> 73
> Alex
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com> wrote:
>
>> As was mentioned, the software you want to use depends on what your plans
>> are.
>>
>> I've used Ham Radio Deluxe, and the DX Suite's Commander with the KX3 with
>> no problems.  I've also used some of the digital mode software that
>> interfaces with both, WSJT-X for instance, and it works flawlessly.
>>
>> What I like about the digital modes with the KX3, is all you really need
>> is the connections from the KX3 to the computer, although I use an external
>> USB sound card as it has a better audio frequency range, as well as
>> providing feedback loop isolation.
>>
>> Neil,
>> KB3TVU
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 09:55:38 2015
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:55:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
	<33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <6F719256-85DB-4F47-97C6-73E372035811@gmail.com>


> On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> Lyle and company,
>     To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other than
> the K3's transmitter and external amplifier?   This is my reading and I am
> just checking.   Thank you.


Both.   I believe the OP asked about the sub RX and the K3 transmitter   I broadened the question because I blew out the front end on the K3 while testing another transmitter.   Either situation speaks to how much the K3 receiver can take from external RF.  But some solutions such as putting protective devices in front of the K3 sub receiver will not work of course when the situation involves the K3 main receiver and an external transmitter.

Ken WA8JXM


From ve3iay at storm.ca  Wed Jan 28 09:58:19 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:58:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Software for KX3
Message-ID: <54C8F90B.5030505@storm.ca>

Alex,

What version of N1MM Logger were you using? If you were using N1MM 
Classic or an N1MM Plus version older than 1.0.4429, those versions use 
/ as a separator between commands. Starting with Plus version 1.0.4429, 
the command separator has been changed to \, and it is now possible to 
send a / character within a KY command text string.

73,
Rich VE3KI


PY2SEX wrote:

> I tried to use N1MM with some macros but I couldn't figure it out how to
> make KX3 transmit the "/".


From py2sex at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:02:36 2015
From: py2sex at gmail.com (PY2SEX - Alex)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:02:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Software for KX3
In-Reply-To: <54C8F90B.5030505@storm.ca>
References: <54C8F90B.5030505@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <CAAY5__=+BeqY9vRaMF2BT3wtKKauHYJreKwzvXxuK-XkzwwdfA@mail.gmail.com>

That looks nice..
I used the N1MM plus, but I don't remember which version it was. I can say
that I have updated before leave on 22.11.2014.
I will try that on my next portable activation.

Thanks for the good news.

73
Alex

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> What version of N1MM Logger were you using? If you were using N1MM Classic
> or an N1MM Plus version older than 1.0.4429, those versions use / as a
> separator between commands. Starting with Plus version 1.0.4429, the
> command separator has been changed to \, and it is now possible to send a /
> character within a KY command text string.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> PY2SEX wrote:
>
>  I tried to use N1MM with some macros but I couldn't figure it out how to
>> make KX3 transmit the "/".
>>
>
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Wed Jan 28 10:30:48 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:30:48 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <54C8E6E7.5050802@embarqmail.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
	<33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
	<54C8E6E7.5050802@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF2AF1022AB44B0898284D1C42FA3D91@DOUG1>

Don,
    Thank you.   There is no problem so far but I will place an order with
Array Solutions for a bit of additional protection.   The forum is useful!
Thanks to all for bringing this issue up.

              73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: 28 January 2015 13:41
To: Doug Turnbull; 'Lyle Johnson'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

Doug,

Not necessarily - the K3 RX antenna input can be exposed to RF from the 
TX antenna whether that is the K3 transmitting or another transmitter.
In the case of another transmitter, one can add the exposure to the K3 
normal ANT1 or ANT2 input if an antenna is connected.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2015 7:45 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Lyle and company,
>       To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other
than
> the K3's transmitter and external amplifier?   This is my reading and I am
> just checking.   Thank you.
>
>



From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:36:13 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:36:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <6F719256-85DB-4F47-97C6-73E372035811@gmail.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com>
	<54C82315.6020007@gmail.com>
	<33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
	<6F719256-85DB-4F47-97C6-73E372035811@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA40828-3A3A-4C0B-8DAD-5DAF2A717C96@gmail.com>

Folks, 

Have we lost track of our senses?  (I never vent so please allow me to do so..)

I like to ?trade a lot" and see many radios that have a blown out front end, which usually I can fix.

Most times the victim radio was ?on receive? with a shiny new transmitter that was ?just being set in place? into the operator position.
Usually the old radio is on an antenna that was in very close proximity to the new one.

Professionally I do EMC work and while I can bore you with the math? ether you connect ?something? in line with the old receiver (there are lots of manufacturers out there) ? or you leave the old radio disconnected when transmitting.    Not too many radios are designed for 100 watts into an adjacent antenna, let alone 500W or 1kW?.

This is NOT an Elecraft issue?.

Sorry to vent, I love my K2?s

Frank KG9H







From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jan 28 10:39:11 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:39:11 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <6F719256-85DB-4F47-97C6-73E372035811@gmail.com>
References: <qelj5ktk58fw58lu52joap0j.1422400217046@email.android.com><54C82315.6020007@gmail.com><33C35E826700423896F0C20413069834@DOUG1>
	<6F719256-85DB-4F47-97C6-73E372035811@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1912DE6816349C5AEA6BA1CBBCFF00C@DavidPC>

If the 2nd rx pre-amp can add sufficient gain, then a resistive divider on 
that input will add a good degree of protection.  Receive-only aerials often 
have their own pre-amps, so there might be plenty of gain in hand.  Coax to 
the 2nd rx should still be protected against common mode current.

David
G3UNA

>
>> On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
>>
>> Lyle and company,
>>     To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other 
>> than
>> the K3's transmitter and external amplifier?   This is my reading and I 
>> am
>> just checking.   Thank you.
>
>
> Both.   I believe the OP asked about the sub RX and the K3 transmitter   I 
> broadened the question because I blew out the front end on the K3 while 
> testing another transmitter.   Either situation speaks to how much the K3 
> receiver can take from external RF.  But some solutions such as putting 
> protective devices in front of the K3 sub receiver will not work of course 
> when the situation involves the K3 main receiver and an external 
> transmitter.
>
> Ken WA8JXM
> 

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Wed Jan 28 11:47:44 2015
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:47:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with "other" I/Q Receiver?
In-Reply-To: <0NIU00DT3Y73NUA0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>
References: <0NIU00DT3Y73NUA0@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <54C912B0.8030606@xs4all.nl>

I did, it works....

With a Softrock-RX for 30 metres. The LO is an xtal on 40.5 MHz that 
produces 10.125 MHz and that shows on the PX3 as 0Hz.
The real problem comes with the need to recalibrate te I/Q phase and 
amplitude in order to have a good image rejection.
On -25 kHz I see the DDK9 teleprinter and on +20 kHz I see the average 
bunch of data modes and in between: CW sigs.
For me it was merely "try and see what happens" for the KX3 obviously 
rocks much better...

73,
Peter - PA0PJE

Op 2015-01-27 23:52 schreef Tom Blahovici:
> Hi
> It would not work properly as is. I think one would need to send information to the px3 via the serial port to establish the centre frequency,  markers, and respond to qsy''s.etc. as well as react to requests coming from the px3.
> Assuming these are standard api type  commands it could be a possibility. Could be a fun project.
> Tom
> va2fsq.com

From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Wed Jan 28 13:00:56 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:00:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] LARGE STASH OF PACKET MODEM MANUALS
Message-ID: <54C923D8.6000101@sunflower.com>

Hey All,

Pat and I are downsizing in retirement. That means deep cleaning the 
basement and shack! I've got my new toys to play with - K3 and P3 with 
SteppIR and concentrating mostly on CW and contesting therein. Hence, 
the rest is going out the door. I have the following manuals packed for 
shipping, total 12 lbs, given that someone vhf and digitally oriented 
might want them, simply for the UPS charge. First to email me gets em.

73, Phil in Lawrence, Kansas, W0XI

Here is the list of RFC and Kantronics Manuals on hand:

KPC-2000 PAGING CONTROLLER
TNPP LINE MODEM 1200
KPC-3 PLUS INTRO, TWO COPIES
COMMANDS MANUAL for KAM, KPC-4, KPC-2400, KPC-2, KPC-1
INSTALLATION MANUAL for KAM, KPC-4, KPC-2400, KPC-2, KPC-1
KANTRONICS DATA ENGINE
KPC-9612 USER?S GUIDE
KPC-9612 PLUS MANUAL
KAM 08 USER?S GUIDE
KWM -1200 PLUS
K-NET FOR KPC-9612
RFC 2/70 POWER AMP 2M/70CM
RFC 4-310 70 CM AMP
RPC 2-417 OP MANUAL
RFC 2-317 OP MANUAL
RFC 2-117 2 METER AMP OP MANUAL
RFC 2-23 AND RFC 3-22 OP MANUAL
INTRO AND OP OF AMTOR
DVR2-2 OP MANUAL
GETTING STARTED WITH HOST MASTER II+
HOST MASTER II+ MANUAL/REFERENCE
D4-10 UHF TRANSCIEVER OP MANUAL
WEATHERNODE OP MANUAL


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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 28 13:22:28 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:22:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with "other" I/Q Receiver?
Message-ID: <0NIW00A9NGDG9N10@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi Yes but can't you calibrate this out using a signal generator and the px3 calibration facility? 
Of course, it appears that the iq correction operates on only a single frequency and does not do frequency based corrections. I could be wrong about this though. 
One way to tell is to put a string signal near the left of the display at - 96khz and see if the image is at the extreme left. 
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 28, 2015 11:47 AM, "Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)" <pa0pje at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> I did, it works.... 
>
> With a Softrock-RX for 30 metres. The LO is an xtal on 40.5 MHz that 
> produces 10.125 MHz and that shows on the PX3 as 0Hz. 
> The real problem comes with the need to recalibrate te I/Q phase and 
> amplitude in order to have a good image rejection. 
> On -25 kHz I see the DDK9 teleprinter and on +20 kHz I see the average 
> bunch of data modes and in between: CW sigs. 
> For me it was merely "try and see what happens" for the KX3 obviously 
> rocks much better... 
>
> 73, 
> Peter - PA0PJE 
>
> Op 2015-01-27 23:52 schreef Tom Blahovici: 
> > Hi 
> > It would not work properly as is. I think one would need to send information to the px3 via the serial port to establish the centre frequency,? markers, and respond to qsy''s.etc. as well as react to requests coming from the px3. 
> > Assuming these are standard api type? commands it could be a possibility. Could be a fun project. 
> > Tom 
> > va2fsq.com 
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From doug at ellmore.net  Wed Jan 28 13:39:21 2015
From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Message-ID: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.


Doug NA1DX
na1dx at arrl.net
www.ellmore.net/na1dx

From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Wed Jan 28 13:49:57 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning with K3
Message-ID: <1641614063.20150128134957@denstarfarm.us>

Howdy K3' people:

I  was  sittin'  here,  doing something else, and wanted to scan 10.120
down to 10.101 for CQ'ing on CW .. and then I'd call them.

So  I set one freq in memory 99 and the other in mem 98; pressed A->B;
the other mem back into A, then 'Scan".

I got the scan but it stopped at the bottom and never restarted.

Should it scan continually or just one time?

thanks.




-- 
73
KD7YZ Bob


From we2h at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 28 13:59:20 2015
From: we2h at earthlink.net (Ed Hamlin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Hi SWR on 20m & 30m after KX3-2M install
Message-ID: <1B78A8E9-C691-4313-A424-F55CC2018D9A@earthlink.net>

Hi

I just recently installed the 2M transverter in my KX-3. I?m now noticing high (11 to 25) SWR readings on 20m and I wondered if this might be related (I don?t recall such high readings before). I?m using an off-center fed dipole that has worked quite well in the past. The KX3 autotuner worked so well in the past, and I?ve seen it tune on relatively short random wires, so inability to tune on a good antenna seems rather odd.

Part of the installation required displacing L40 and L43 on the main RF board to make room for the SMA connector. It?s possible to break one of the leads on the inductor while doing this. L40 (as I recall) felt pretty tight and I may have inadvertently pushed it too hard. 

What would be the symptoms of an open circuit on either of those inductors? Other than high SWR on 20m and 30m, I haven?t seen any anomalous behavior.

73s
Ed

From w6ux at ymail.com  Wed Jan 28 14:15:27 2015
From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 powercycling at higher wattages into KPA500
Message-ID: <318267266.1219175.1422472527978.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

My KAT500 is getting power-cycled in CW and RTTY modes at various drive levels from the K3 on different bands. ?I can run SSB full power with no problems at all, and receive superb audio reports (no hint of RF in my transmissions). ?I am thinking I have either an excessive voltage drop on the AC circuit or perhaps there is enough RF getting into the shack to trip up the KAT500 power when using the higher duty cycle modes.
Everything is running on the same 120v house circuit. ?I experimented with moving both the amp and the KAT500 to a different circuit in the same room, but this did not solve the problem. ?Let me first describe the equipment, and then I'll list the frequencies and power thresholds that tripped the KAT500 into a power cycle:
Antenna: Traffie Hex Beam. ?Very low SWR, typically 1.2 or less, sometimes 1.5 on 10 and 12 meters. ?The antenna is over a portion of the house, and about 20 feet away from the shack. ?The coax is grounded at the base of the antenna (two ground rods, through a lightning arrestor).
KAT500: I have this in BYPASS mode. ?I don't really need the tuner for the hex beam, but I plan on using it with a future vertical for 40m. ?I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC power adapter. ?For good measure, I wrapped about 4 turns of the power cord through a ferrite bead at the transformer end of the cable. ?This is a 15V 1000mAh power adapter from Radio Shack.
KPA500 is plugged into the same circuit on its own outlet at the wall. ?HV reads 78.5 at rest. ?The unit is sitting on top of the KAT500 with the foldout legs extended.
K3 is powered with an Astron RS-35M, on the same house circuit.
P3 is powered by the K3 VDC out
On 15 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving 20-22 watts. ?The amp, when it crosses about 450 watts, the KAT500 power cycles. ?I ran 30 watts into it for about 620+ out with no problems on SSB, ?SWR never exceeded 1.2 on the KAT500's indicator lamps.
On 12 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving just 9 watts (about 180w out). ?SWR on this band is a steady 1.5. ? I did have some success by moving the KAT500's power adapter to the other circuit in the room and was able to push the K3 to 22 watts (480 out) before the powercycling returned. ?This lead me to believe I had a voltage drop issue, perhaps from running the amp on the same 110 circuit. ?But on 10 meters I still had problems even using the other circuit to power the KAT500. ?That makes me think noise is getting into the KAT500, or perhaps RF from the antenna is putting noise on my AC house circuits. ?I was able to run the amp to full power on SSB with no power cycling of the KAT500.
On 10 meters the KAT500 power cycles with just 6 watts drive (170 out). ?On phone I can run full power with no issues. ?SWR is 1.2 on this band.

I have a Morgan AC line filter arriving tomorrow and I'll see if the problem persists with it filtering the house circuit feeding the shack equipment.

Do these symptoms smell more like a noise issue (RF in the shack) or a line voltage deficiency with the house circuit? ?I'm think probably taxing the line in the higher duty cycles, and it just manifests at different thresholds on different frequencies.
When transmitting a long string of CW or RTTY, if the KAT500 gets into repeated power cycles the KPA500 eventually throws a fault.
Some other observations: If I turn on my desk lamps, at the higher outputs the lamps will modulate slightly with my voice. ?I think I'm sucking too much juice from the circuit, but this is just a guess on my part. ?Generally the only other piece of equipment in the house that seems to be affected by RF is our DirectTV receiver (the notorious touch-panel design). ?It is generally only affected on 10 meters, with a high duty cycle mode like RTTY.
Can anyone provide me some more troubleshooting tips?
Thanks!Jeff, W6UX

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 14:50:52 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Craig Buck via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 14:50:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 powercycling at higher wattages into KPA500
In-Reply-To: <318267266.1219175.1422472527978.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <318267266.1219175.1422472527978.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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I suspect voltage sag off the 120v line.  Lights flickering is a 
symptom.  The specs call for 1000VA in and that translates to about 8 
amps at 120v.  The specified fuse is 12 amps so peaks may be higher.   
Add everything else in and consider you may have a 15 amp line with a 
long way back to the fusebox and it is possible your voltage is 
dropping.  Measure the AC voltage with the key down by plugging a 
voltmeter into the outlet.  Also check the HV in the Amp.

 From the manual:

The KPA500 operates to full specifications when the HV under full load is
between 60V and 85V as shown on the LCD (Tap HV to display the voltage
under CW ?key down? conditions at full power). The maximum voltage is set
using transformer taps as described on pg. 9.
The KPA500 will operate with reduced performance at voltages as low as 40V.
When the voltage is less than 60V the maximum output power may be less than
500W and distortion products will increase.

K4ia   Buck
Fredericksburg, VA

On 1/28/2015 2:15 PM, Jeff Hall wrote:
> My KAT500 is getting power-cycled in CW and RTTY modes at various drive levels from the K3 on different bands.  I can run SSB full power with no problems at all, and receive superb audio reports (no hint of RF in my transmissions).  I am thinking I have either an excessive voltage drop on the AC circuit or perhaps there is enough RF getting into the shack to trip up the KAT500 power when using the higher duty cycle modes.
> Everything is running on the same 120v house circuit.  I experimented with moving both the amp and the KAT500 to a different circuit in the same room, but this did not solve the problem.  Let me first describe the equipment, and then I'll list the frequencies and power thresholds that tripped the KAT500 into a power cycle:
> Antenna: Traffie Hex Beam.  Very low SWR, typically 1.2 or less, sometimes 1.5 on 10 and 12 meters.  The antenna is over a portion of the house, and about 20 feet away from the shack.  The coax is grounded at the base of the antenna (two ground rods, through a lightning arrestor).
> KAT500: I have this in BYPASS mode.  I don't really need the tuner for the hex beam, but I plan on using it with a future vertical for 40m.  I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC power adapter.  For good measure, I wrapped about 4 turns of the power cord through a ferrite bead at the transformer end of the cable.  This is a 15V 1000mAh power adapter from Radio Shack.
> KPA500 is plugged into the same circuit on its own outlet at the wall.  HV reads 78.5 at rest.  The unit is sitting on top of the KAT500 with the foldout legs extended.
> K3 is powered with an Astron RS-35M, on the same house circuit.
> P3 is powered by the K3 VDC out
> On 15 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving 20-22 watts.  The amp, when it crosses about 450 watts, the KAT500 power cycles.  I ran 30 watts into it for about 620+ out with no problems on SSB,  SWR never exceeded 1.2 on the KAT500's indicator lamps.
> On 12 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving just 9 watts (about 180w out).  SWR on this band is a steady 1.5.   I did have some success by moving the KAT500's power adapter to the other circuit in the room and was able to push the K3 to 22 watts (480 out) before the powercycling returned.  This lead me to believe I had a voltage drop issue, perhaps from running the amp on the same 110 circuit.  But on 10 meters I still had problems even using the other circuit to power the KAT500.  That makes me think noise is getting into the KAT500, or perhaps RF from the antenna is putting noise on my AC house circuits.  I was able to run the amp to full power on SSB with no power cycling of the KAT500.
> On 10 meters the KAT500 power cycles with just 6 watts drive (170 out).  On phone I can run full power with no issues.  SWR is 1.2 on this band.
>
> I have a Morgan AC line filter arriving tomorrow and I'll see if the problem persists with it filtering the house circuit feeding the shack equipment.
>
> Do these symptoms smell more like a noise issue (RF in the shack) or a line voltage deficiency with the house circuit?  I'm think probably taxing the line in the higher duty cycles, and it just manifests at different thresholds on different frequencies.
> When transmitting a long string of CW or RTTY, if the KAT500 gets into repeated power cycles the KPA500 eventually throws a fault.
> Some other observations: If I turn on my desk lamps, at the higher outputs the lamps will modulate slightly with my voice.  I think I'm sucking too much juice from the circuit, but this is just a guess on my part.  Generally the only other piece of equipment in the house that seems to be affected by RF is our DirectTV receiver (the notorious touch-panel design).  It is generally only affected on 10 meters, with a high duty cycle mode like RTTY.
> Can anyone provide me some more troubleshooting tips?
> Thanks!Jeff, W6UX
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Jan 28 14:59:29 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 11:59:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 powercycling at higher wattages into KPA500
In-Reply-To: <318267266.1219175.1422472527978.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <318267266.1219175.1422472527978.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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First thing, unplug the antenna and plug in a dummy load, then retest. If there is no problem, then you have a partial answer. 
Try running the KAT500 from the same 13.8 supply as the transceiver. You could have RF getting in to the power supply feeding the KAT500. Make sure the output of that supply does not go above 15V, or you could experience other problems with the KAT500, such as component failure or regulator shutdown from high power supply voltage. 

If things work right with the dummy load, you are probably experiencing problems with unbalanced currents on the feedline to the Hex Beam. In fact I would bet on this in any case. A good Choke ?balun? on the feedline will work wonders. I use several, starting with about a dozen toroids at the antenna feedline (in my case an old A3 tribander) with additional toroids at the feedline entry. In fact all coax coming my shack now gets this same treatment, which has quieted things immensely as far as RF is concerned. See the excellent paper by K9YC at his web site for details on how to handle this stuff. The url: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

- Jack Brindle, W6FB


> On Jan 28, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Jeff Hall <w6ux at ymail.com> wrote:
> 
> My KAT500 is getting power-cycled in CW and RTTY modes at various drive levels from the K3 on different bands.  I can run SSB full power with no problems at all, and receive superb audio reports (no hint of RF in my transmissions).  I am thinking I have either an excessive voltage drop on the AC circuit or perhaps there is enough RF getting into the shack to trip up the KAT500 power when using the higher duty cycle modes.
> Everything is running on the same 120v house circuit.  I experimented with moving both the amp and the KAT500 to a different circuit in the same room, but this did not solve the problem.  Let me first describe the equipment, and then I'll list the frequencies and power thresholds that tripped the KAT500 into a power cycle:
> Antenna: Traffie Hex Beam.  Very low SWR, typically 1.2 or less, sometimes 1.5 on 10 and 12 meters.  The antenna is over a portion of the house, and about 20 feet away from the shack.  The coax is grounded at the base of the antenna (two ground rods, through a lightning arrestor).
> KAT500: I have this in BYPASS mode.  I don't really need the tuner for the hex beam, but I plan on using it with a future vertical for 40m.  I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC power adapter.  For good measure, I wrapped about 4 turns of the power cord through a ferrite bead at the transformer end of the cable.  This is a 15V 1000mAh power adapter from Radio Shack.
> KPA500 is plugged into the same circuit on its own outlet at the wall.  HV reads 78.5 at rest.  The unit is sitting on top of the KAT500 with the foldout legs extended.
> K3 is powered with an Astron RS-35M, on the same house circuit.
> P3 is powered by the K3 VDC out
> On 15 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving 20-22 watts.  The amp, when it crosses about 450 watts, the KAT500 power cycles.  I ran 30 watts into it for about 620+ out with no problems on SSB,  SWR never exceeded 1.2 on the KAT500's indicator lamps.
> On 12 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving just 9 watts (about 180w out).  SWR on this band is a steady 1.5.   I did have some success by moving the KAT500's power adapter to the other circuit in the room and was able to push the K3 to 22 watts (480 out) before the powercycling returned.  This lead me to believe I had a voltage drop issue, perhaps from running the amp on the same 110 circuit.  But on 10 meters I still had problems even using the other circuit to power the KAT500.  That makes me think noise is getting into the KAT500, or perhaps RF from the antenna is putting noise on my AC house circuits.  I was able to run the amp to full power on SSB with no power cycling of the KAT500.
> On 10 meters the KAT500 power cycles with just 6 watts drive (170 out).  On phone I can run full power with no issues.  SWR is 1.2 on this band.
> 
> I have a Morgan AC line filter arriving tomorrow and I'll see if the problem persists with it filtering the house circuit feeding the shack equipment.
> 
> Do these symptoms smell more like a noise issue (RF in the shack) or a line voltage deficiency with the house circuit?  I'm think probably taxing the line in the higher duty cycles, and it just manifests at different thresholds on different frequencies.
> When transmitting a long string of CW or RTTY, if the KAT500 gets into repeated power cycles the KPA500 eventually throws a fault.
> Some other observations: If I turn on my desk lamps, at the higher outputs the lamps will modulate slightly with my voice.  I think I'm sucking too much juice from the circuit, but this is just a guess on my part.  Generally the only other piece of equipment in the house that seems to be affected by RF is our DirectTV receiver (the notorious touch-panel design).  It is generally only affected on 10 meters, with a high duty cycle mode like RTTY.
> Can anyone provide me some more troubleshooting tips?
> Thanks!Jeff, W6UX
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Jan 28 15:05:22 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:05:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 powercycling at higher wattages into KPA500
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	<54C93D9C.2010104@aol.com>
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That would not cause the KAT500 to shut down, though. In the situation you describe the KPA500 would continue to output power unless the HV supply drops below 40V. What I am saying is that if the 117V power supply on the KPA500 sags, the amplifier will just keep going, using what it gets. The output will show a corresponding sag, but no failures should result.

The KPA should use the beefiest power cable you can find. Use of a small cable will also cause the power to sag, again with the output sagging, but that is all. A good feel of the power cable will show it to be somewhat warm, which means you are losing power through I squared losses in the cable. A heavier cable (like the one supplied) should not show this nearly as much. Again, I don?t believe this is the problem that W6UX is seeing in the KAT500, though.

- Jack B, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jan 28, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Craig Buck via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I suspect voltage sag off the 120v line.  Lights flickering is a symptom.  The specs call for 1000VA in and that translates to about 8 amps at 120v.  The specified fuse is 12 amps so peaks may be higher.   Add everything else in and consider you may have a 15 amp line with a long way back to the fusebox and it is possible your voltage is dropping.  Measure the AC voltage with the key down by plugging a voltmeter into the outlet.  Also check the HV in the Amp.
> 
> From the manual:
> 
> The KPA500 operates to full specifications when the HV under full load is
> between 60V and 85V as shown on the LCD (Tap HV to display the voltage
> under CW ?key down? conditions at full power). The maximum voltage is set
> using transformer taps as described on pg. 9.
> The KPA500 will operate with reduced performance at voltages as low as 40V.
> When the voltage is less than 60V the maximum output power may be less than
> 500W and distortion products will increase.
> 
> K4ia   Buck
> Fredericksburg, VA
> 
> On 1/28/2015 2:15 PM, Jeff Hall wrote:
>> My KAT500 is getting power-cycled in CW and RTTY modes at various drive levels from the K3 on different bands.  I can run SSB full power with no problems at all, and receive superb audio reports (no hint of RF in my transmissions).  I am thinking I have either an excessive voltage drop on the AC circuit or perhaps there is enough RF getting into the shack to trip up the KAT500 power when using the higher duty cycle modes.
>> Everything is running on the same 120v house circuit.  I experimented with moving both the amp and the KAT500 to a different circuit in the same room, but this did not solve the problem.  Let me first describe the equipment, and then I'll list the frequencies and power thresholds that tripped the KAT500 into a power cycle:
>> Antenna: Traffie Hex Beam.  Very low SWR, typically 1.2 or less, sometimes 1.5 on 10 and 12 meters.  The antenna is over a portion of the house, and about 20 feet away from the shack.  The coax is grounded at the base of the antenna (two ground rods, through a lightning arrestor).
>> KAT500: I have this in BYPASS mode.  I don't really need the tuner for the hex beam, but I plan on using it with a future vertical for 40m.  I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC power adapter.  For good measure, I wrapped about 4 turns of the power cord through a ferrite bead at the transformer end of the cable.  This is a 15V 1000mAh power adapter from Radio Shack.
>> KPA500 is plugged into the same circuit on its own outlet at the wall.  HV reads 78.5 at rest.  The unit is sitting on top of the KAT500 with the foldout legs extended.
>> K3 is powered with an Astron RS-35M, on the same house circuit.
>> P3 is powered by the K3 VDC out
>> On 15 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving 20-22 watts.  The amp, when it crosses about 450 watts, the KAT500 power cycles.  I ran 30 watts into it for about 620+ out with no problems on SSB,  SWR never exceeded 1.2 on the KAT500's indicator lamps.
>> On 12 meters CW, the KAT500 begins to experience power cycles driving just 9 watts (about 180w out).  SWR on this band is a steady 1.5.   I did have some success by moving the KAT500's power adapter to the other circuit in the room and was able to push the K3 to 22 watts (480 out) before the powercycling returned.  This lead me to believe I had a voltage drop issue, perhaps from running the amp on the same 110 circuit.  But on 10 meters I still had problems even using the other circuit to power the KAT500.  That makes me think noise is getting into the KAT500, or perhaps RF from the antenna is putting noise on my AC house circuits.  I was able to run the amp to full power on SSB with no power cycling of the KAT500.
>> On 10 meters the KAT500 power cycles with just 6 watts drive (170 out).  On phone I can run full power with no issues.  SWR is 1.2 on this band.
>> 
>> I have a Morgan AC line filter arriving tomorrow and I'll see if the problem persists with it filtering the house circuit feeding the shack equipment.
>> 
>> Do these symptoms smell more like a noise issue (RF in the shack) or a line voltage deficiency with the house circuit?  I'm think probably taxing the line in the higher duty cycles, and it just manifests at different thresholds on different frequencies.
>> When transmitting a long string of CW or RTTY, if the KAT500 gets into repeated power cycles the KPA500 eventually throws a fault.
>> Some other observations: If I turn on my desk lamps, at the higher outputs the lamps will modulate slightly with my voice.  I think I'm sucking too much juice from the circuit, but this is just a guess on my part.  Generally the only other piece of equipment in the house that seems to be affected by RF is our DirectTV receiver (the notorious touch-panel design).  It is generally only affected on 10 meters, with a high duty cycle mode like RTTY.
>> Can anyone provide me some more troubleshooting tips?
>> Thanks!Jeff, W6UX
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 16:20:11 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
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That would be nice
You could run two P3s



      From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
   
Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.


Doug NA1DX
na1dx at arrl.net
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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 16:26:23 2015
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:26:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Hi SWR on 20m & 30m after KX3-2M install
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I had a similar situation with my KX3 just after the RTTY round-up at the
beginning of January.  I also have the 2M module installed and experienced
the same challenges with the inductors.  SWR values after 2M module install
seemed to be ok on HF.  I actually can't recall if they were high as I
didn't check.  But, the auto-tuner had no trouble achieving less than 1.5:1
matches with a regular ATU cycle (not the aggressive cycle) into my G5RV
shorty.  After the round-up, I couldn't achieve less than 3 on most bands
(ATU assisted) and in some cases an SWR of 75:1!!  I tried measurements
into two different dummy loads that I had around the shack.  I bypassed the
ATU and measured on all bands.  I had high SWR on all HF bands into both
dummy loads.

The sad ending to my tail is that I had to send the KX3 back to Elecraft
for warranty repair.

The report back, from the Elecraft tech looking at my rig, was that 5 of
the RF board's ICs were blown.  Probable cause: near field lightning strike
or greater than 100+ watts of RF energy into the KX3.  It is winter where I
am (snow, cold :-) and we don't get lightning at this time of year.  Also,
I don't know how 100+ watts would have slipped into the KX3.  It isn't near
any other RF source with that kind of power.

It is interesting, Ed, that you are reporting something similar to my
situation.  I hope you resolve your problem without having to send your KX3
back.

P.S.  I struck up a nice email conversation with the folks at Elecraft
support and they guided me through some tests and asked for measurements.
They too didn't want me to have to send the rig back.  But, the results of
the SWR measurements told them that something bad was wrong and the KX3
needed servicing.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW



On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Ed Hamlin <we2h at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I just recently installed the 2M transverter in my KX-3. I?m now noticing
> high (11 to 25) SWR readings on 20m and I wondered if this might be related
> (I don?t recall such high readings before). I?m using an off-center fed
> dipole that has worked quite well in the past. The KX3 autotuner worked so
> well in the past, and I?ve seen it tune on relatively short random wires,
> so inability to tune on a good antenna seems rather odd.
>
> Part of the installation required displacing L40 and L43 on the main RF
> board to make room for the SMA connector. It?s possible to break one of the
> leads on the inductor while doing this. L40 (as I recall) felt pretty tight
> and I may have inadvertently pushed it too hard.
>
> What would be the symptoms of an open circuit on either of those
> inductors? Other than high SWR on 20m and 30m, I haven?t seen any anomalous
> behavior.
>
> 73s
> Ed
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 16:34:20 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:34:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Hi SWR on 20m & 30m after KX3-2M install
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKfd3Re1HpVp+nvrRU_ovYKTHJTT47SL0x2g2swN8P25=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B78A8E9-C691-4313-A424-F55CC2018D9A@earthlink.net>
	<CAM34cKfd3Re1HpVp+nvrRU_ovYKTHJTT47SL0x2g2swN8P25=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EB39471-43A4-4AAD-A5EC-15419577E4F1@gmail.com>

Brian,

Can?t help wondering if ESD or similar build-up occurred with low humidity in the winter.

Frank KG9H

On Jan 28, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Brian Waterworth <brian.waterworth at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a similar situation with my KX3 just after the RTTY round-up at the
> beginning of January.  I also have the 2M module installed and experienced
> the same challenges with the inductors.  SWR values after 2M module install
> seemed to be ok on HF.  I actually can't recall if they were high as I
> didn't check.  But, the auto-tuner had no trouble achieving less than 1.5:1
> matches with a regular ATU cycle (not the aggressive cycle) into my G5RV
> shorty.  After the round-up, I couldn't achieve less than 3 on most bands
> (ATU assisted) and in some cases an SWR of 75:1!!  I tried measurements
> into two different dummy loads that I had around the shack.  I bypassed the
> ATU and measured on all bands.  I had high SWR on all HF bands into both
> dummy loads.
> 
> The sad ending to my tail is that I had to send the KX3 back to Elecraft
> for warranty repair.
> 
> The report back, from the Elecraft tech looking at my rig, was that 5 of
> the RF board's ICs were blown.  Probable cause: near field lightning strike
> or greater than 100+ watts of RF energy into the KX3.  It is winter where I
> am (snow, cold :-) and we don't get lightning at this time of year.  Also,
> I don't know how 100+ watts would have slipped into the KX3.  It isn't near
> any other RF source with that kind of power.
> 
> It is interesting, Ed, that you are reporting something similar to my
> situation.  I hope you resolve your problem without having to send your KX3
> back.
> 
> P.S.  I struck up a nice email conversation with the folks at Elecraft
> support and they guided me through some tests and asked for measurements.
> They too didn't want me to have to send the rig back.  But, the results of
> the SWR measurements told them that something bad was wrong and the KX3
> needed servicing.
> 
> regards,
> Brian
> VE3IBW
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Ed Hamlin <we2h at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I just recently installed the 2M transverter in my KX-3. I?m now noticing
>> high (11 to 25) SWR readings on 20m and I wondered if this might be related
>> (I don?t recall such high readings before). I?m using an off-center fed
>> dipole that has worked quite well in the past. The KX3 autotuner worked so
>> well in the past, and I?ve seen it tune on relatively short random wires,
>> so inability to tune on a good antenna seems rather odd.
>> 
>> Part of the installation required displacing L40 and L43 on the main RF
>> board to make room for the SMA connector. It?s possible to break one of the
>> leads on the inductor while doing this. L40 (as I recall) felt pretty tight
>> and I may have inadvertently pushed it too hard.
>> 
>> What would be the symptoms of an open circuit on either of those
>> inductors? Other than high SWR on 20m and 30m, I haven?t seen any anomalous
>> behavior.
>> 
>> 73s
>> Ed
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Wed Jan 28 16:44:20 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:44:20 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
Message-ID: <201501282144.t0SLiK7k097838@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Semi-related topic:

Recently, I was hosting a local 2m-SSB net and had my KX3-2M 
connected to a 7-element yagi pointed 90-degrees from the 
transmitting antenna array (K3+xvtr+150w amp).  Spacing is about 
40-feet horizontally and 30-feet vertically (Tx ant higher).  Its 
normal to run the Preamp with the KX3 on 2m and when I transmitted 
the signal was strong enough to trigger overload protection in the 
KX3 which disables the preamp.  Probably 25-dB front-back ratio on 
the transmitting antenna and maybe 15-dB rejection off the side of 
the Rx antenna (both yagis) so estimated power at the KX3 is +52-dBm 
- 40dB = +12 dBm (not including space loss between antennas).  +12 
dBm into the KX3-2M is pretty marginal for safety of the 
preamp.  Probably actual level is closer to 0 dBm (because I didn't 
include coax loss or space loss).  -33 dBm signal from my XG3 will 
drive the KX3 to S9+40 (-73 dBm=S9*).  *with preamp=ON.

Since antennas are within near-fields, ordinary space loss formula do 
not apply.  That is the typical situation with the KRX3 used on HF.

1-watt is way too high for safety for my eme preamps.  +5 dBm is my 
maximum tolerance.  >+15 dBm is certainty of blow out.  (I disconnect 
other antennas when running 1300w on the main array)

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 17:23:38 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:23:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
In-Reply-To: <126357699.1454720.1422392040694.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <893281448.1454151.1422391746364.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<126357699.1454720.1422392040694.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <692822195.1282320.1422483818204.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi John,
I am?more compassionate and generous than most folks on this reflector and would be very happy to send?you my entire life savings.? Please?give me your wire transfer instructions.??I?will convert everything we own to cash and transfer said funds to you as soon as possible. 
I await your wire transfer instructions....
73,
Bob/AA6VB
?      From: Rich - K1HTV <k1htv at comcast.net>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Conditions!
   
John, we on the Elecraft reflector can't help you, but there are some folks in Nigeria, who write to most of us, who say that they have millions of dollars. I'm sure that they would love to send you some money to help you out. :-)

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =

> John Lawrence via Elecraft wrote on 1/27/2015 9:14 AM:
>>? - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. -
>>
>> Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded 
>> here in Manila, Philippines since last night. I was hurt and robbed on my 
>> way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel 
>> management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am 
>> waiting for my colleagues to send me money to get back home but they have 
>> not responded and my return flight will be leaving soon. Please let me 
>> know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I 
>> get back home.
>> Please let me know if I can count on you and I need you to keep checking 
>> your email because it's the only way I can reach you at the moment.
>> Let me know if you can be of help.
>> Best regards
>> John
>>
>> John Lawrence
>> Pond Brook Farm
>> 455 Flanders Corner Road
>> Waldoboro, Maine 04572
>> j123law at aol.com
>>
>> 207-605-2154
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 28 17:25:33 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Hi SWR on 20m & 30m after KX3-2M install
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKfd3Re1HpVp+nvrRU_ovYKTHJTT47SL0x2g2swN8P25=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B78A8E9-C691-4313-A424-F55CC2018D9A@earthlink.net>
	<CAM34cKfd3Re1HpVp+nvrRU_ovYKTHJTT47SL0x2g2swN8P25=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C961DD.9000800@embarqmail.com>

Folks,

Do not be complacent about static coming in from the antenna in the winter.
Even though there may be no lightning - wind, rain or snow can build up 
a very large static charge.

I am not saying that was Brian's situation, but be aware that 
possibility does exist.

Make certain there is a DC path across your feedlines to bleed off a 
static charge.  A non-inductive resistor with a value between 5k and 50k 
will do the job.  If you use an antenna switch, that is a good place to 
add those resistors.  If you have no other choice, mount the resistor in 
a PL-259 body and put it on one side of a TEE adapter - the rig goes on 
one other side and the last side goes to the antenna.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2015 4:26 PM, Brian Waterworth wrote:
> It is winter where I
> am (snow, cold :-) and we don't get lightning at this time of year.


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 17:29:12 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
In-Reply-To: <201501282144.t0SLiK7k097838@huffman.acsalaska.net>
References: <201501282144.t0SLiK7k097838@huffman.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <919235161.1284110.1422484153033.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Now this has me wondering about having my 2 meter and 6 meter antennas in close proximity.

?



      From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input
   
Semi-related topic:

Recently, I was hosting a local 2m-SSB net and had my KX3-2M 
connected to a 7-element yagi pointed 90-degrees from the 
transmitting antenna array (K3+xvtr+150w amp).? Spacing is about 
40-feet horizontally and 30-feet vertically (Tx ant higher).? Its 
normal to run the Preamp with the KX3 on 2m and when I transmitted 
the signal was strong enough to trigger overload protection in the 
KX3 which disables the preamp.? Probably 25-dB front-back ratio on 
the transmitting antenna and maybe 15-dB rejection off the side of 
the Rx antenna (both yagis) so estimated power at the KX3 is +52-dBm 
- 40dB = +12 dBm (not including space loss between antennas).? +12 
dBm into the KX3-2M is pretty marginal for safety of the 
preamp.? Probably actual level is closer to 0 dBm (because I didn't 
include coax loss or space loss).? -33 dBm signal from my XG3 will 
drive the KX3 to S9+40 (-73 dBm=S9*).? *with preamp=ON.

Since antennas are within near-fields, ordinary space loss formula do 
not apply.? That is the typical situation with the KRX3 used on HF.

1-watt is way too high for safety for my eme preamps.? +5 dBm is my 
maximum tolerance.? >+15 dBm is certainty of blow out.? (I disconnect 
other antennas when running 1300w on the main array)

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
? ? "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
? ? dubususa at gmail.com

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From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz  Wed Jan 28 17:56:30 2015
From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:56:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 10Watt  RF SSB TX distortion
Message-ID: <1422485790370-7597651.post@n2.nabble.com>


Hi Folks

Getting a few reports of slightly ragged SSB audio TX.
check here definitely NQR ( not quite right ) 
Used another receiver to chase the signal path from the SSB board 
to the power stages.
Distortion is in finals. They appear to be on the very edge of class B.
Deceased  resistor value R59 to increase bias current. My K2 meter may not
be accurate; previous value TX showing 0.64A , moved to 0.78A.
Received audio is now very clean.
R59 value approx 1K.
No apparent increase in temps with casual use.
serial 6534 built several years ago.

cheers

Paul b
zl1ajy





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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 28 18:28:06 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:28:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 10Watt  RF SSB TX distortion
In-Reply-To: <1422485790370-7597651.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1422485790370-7597651.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <54C97086.3010004@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

R59 should be 4.7k, and the increase in bias voltage is not a good thing.
It may be that the PA transistors have some current leakage from 
collector to base that is upsetting the bias.

I would not even operate it in CW mode with that increased bias voltage.

I would suggest first replacing R59 and while you are in that vicinity, 
arbitrarily replace Q11 and Q13 (2N2222As).  Then check the bias during 
transmit.  It should be between 0.62 and 0.64 volts.  If it is not, 
order the K2PAKIT and replace the PA transistors.  The Elecraft PA kit 
contains matched transistors - do not substitute - 2SC1969 transistors 
used to be consistent and did not have to be matched, but that is not 
true for those available today.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2015 5:56 PM, paulb wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> Getting a few reports of slightly ragged SSB audio TX.
> check here definitely NQR ( not quite right )
> Used another receiver to chase the signal path from the SSB board
> to the power stages.
> Distortion is in finals. They appear to be on the very edge of class B.
> Deceased  resistor value R59 to increase bias current. My K2 meter may not
> be accurate; previous value TX showing 0.64A , moved to 0.78A.
> Received audio is now very clean.
> R59 value approx 1K.
> No apparent increase in temps with casual use.
> serial 6534 built several years ago.
>
>


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Wed Jan 28 18:36:41 2015
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:36:41 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
In-Reply-To: <707264833.1263865.1422480011160.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<707264833.1263865.1422480011160.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C97289.3040709@horizon.co.fk>

See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> That would be nice
> You could run two P3s
>
>
>
>        From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
>   To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>   Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>
> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>
> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>
>
> Doug NA1DX
> na1dx at arrl.net
> www.ellmore.net/na1dx

From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Jan 28 18:43:56 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:43:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
In-Reply-To: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54C9743C.60305@sonic.net>

There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver IF 
output, but they do have some information on the web site about others 
have done it:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if

Alan N1AL


On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>
> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 19:16:24 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:16:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
Message-ID: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

?What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a? A-COM and I am just not?happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.?? 73s Bob W5RG

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Jan 28 19:39:31 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:39:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
In-Reply-To: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54C98143.6050205@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

I would suggest that you get 2 speakers for the K3 so you can enjoy the 
AFX effects if you do not have the KRX3 installed, or with the KRX3 you 
can hear the main RX in one speaker and the KRX3 in the other.

I use 2 small non-amplified speakers with my K3.  They are the old Radio 
Shack Optimus speakers that I was able to pick up in a "used stuff" 
store for a bargain price, but any pair of good fidelity speakers will 
do the job nicely.

I would suggest that you look for "full fidelity" speakers and use the 
RX EQ to tailor the response to your preferences.

If you are looking at amplified speakers, computer speakers may be OK, 
but many of them suffer from RF exposure and will make nasty noises when 
you transmit.  For my KX3, I opted for the West Mountain Radio Comspkr 
and have had no RF problems with them.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/28/2015 7:16 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
>   What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 19:43:56 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:43:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
In-Reply-To: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOx-CKWY907b4Xy05xzXssMyFWSxMHKq7t5RGW840YxVg@mail.gmail.com>

I use two sets of West Mountain Radio units ... one on my K3 and the other
on my KX3.

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 28, 2015 5:19 PM, "Bob Gibson via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>  What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am
> just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the
> sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what
> everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Jan 28 19:46:31 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Value of a used KPA100
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7Z_Abzs7jwewcfn26jgx-BJ-AhROU2U0uNRFo9J1eTTA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a friend who is working on an estate sale here in Canada.  He is
attempting to price out a used, excellent condition, KPA100 without the
tuner.

For those that have bought a used in recent history, how much did you pay
for it.  Or, if you recently sold one, what did you sell it for.

You can send it any info to me personally if you like to keep the noise
down on the reflector.

Thanks, Mike va3mw

From gmiller at sonic.net  Wed Jan 28 19:49:39 2015
From: gmiller at sonic.net (Greg Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:49:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
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I picked up a pair of these - very happy with them:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=115&cp_id=11504&cs_id=1150402&p_id=605300&seq=1&format=1#largeimage <http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=115&cp_id=11504&cs_id=1150402&p_id=605300&seq=1&format=1#largeimage>

-Greg NY6C

> On Jan 28, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>  What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Wed Jan 28 19:57:04 2015
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
In-Reply-To: <54C9743C.60305@sonic.net>
References: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54C9743C.60305@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <54C98560.9050206@cis-broadband.com>


As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... 
right?  I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver would 
have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want handshaking 
capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, etc.

The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily 
found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail than 
the reference below.

Dave   AB7E



On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote:
> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver 
> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about 
> others have done it:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>
>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it 
>> would
>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 20:17:10 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
Message-ID: <208cf.39b5ffd6.41fae415@aol.com>

I use a pair of Insignia 4" 3-way speakers from BestBuy that I seem to  
remember Eric suggested a long time ago.  You'll have to search the  archives.
Been happy with them so far and no problems with RFI even when using the  
KPA500.
 
Mike  AC6JA
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2015 4:47:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
kengkopp at gmail.com writes:

I use  two sets of West Mountain Radio units ... one on my K3 and the other
on my  KX3.

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Jan 28, 2015 5:19 PM, "Bob Gibson via  Elecraft" 
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

>  What  seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I  
am
> just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change  the
> sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can  see 
what
> everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob  W5RG
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Jan 28 20:20:02 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:20:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
In-Reply-To: <54C98560.9050206@cis-broadband.com>
References: <CANAn7wwcMQpTd9qmpA+3Zj73TLEXSXjZby1VSxdy+yQsrLMK5g@mail.gmail.com>	<54C9743C.60305@sonic.net>
	<54C98560.9050206@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <54C98AC2.4060808@sonic.net>

Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and 
the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on 
the P3.  Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would 
not be correct.  But you can still change the span, offset the center 
frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall 
and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use 
most of the other features.

Alan N1AL



On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... 
> right?  I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver 
> would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want 
> handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, 
> etc.
>
> The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily 
> found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail 
> than the reference below.
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote:
>> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver 
>> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about 
>> others have done it:
>>
>> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote:
>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>
>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking 
>>> it would
>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one 
>>> K3.
>>>
>>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 28 21:20:49 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Message-ID: <0NIX009RR2IPM200@VL-VM-MR004.ip.videotron.ca>

Hi
That assumes one is using a p3. A software panadapter would work fine except that there would no way to get the if shift from the sub since that command doesn't exist.? It could still be done but it would be a bit of a hack. 
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 28, 2015 8:20 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Right, the P3 would work only in tracking mode (no fixed-tune mode) and 
> the sub receiver frequency and receiver bandwidth would not display on 
> the P3.? Also, click-to-QSY would not work and the reference level would 
> not be correct.? But you can still change the span, offset the center 
> frequency, change the reference level and scale, turn on the waterfall 
> and averaging, adjust the markers (reading relative frequency) and use 
> most of the other features. 
>
> Alan N1AL 
>
>
>
> On 01/28/2015 04:57 PM, David Gilbert wrote: 
> > 
> > As best I remember, though, the P3 talks only to the main receiver ... 
> > right?? I believe that anyone wanting to display the sub-receiver 
> > would have to use a different panadapter scheme if they want 
> > handshaking capability such as frequency information, point/click QSY, 
> > etc. 
> > 
> > The N2QT modification described in the June 12 PVRC newsletter (easily 
> > found via Google search) describes how to do this in better detail 
> > than the reference below. 
> > 
> > Dave?? AB7E 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/28/2015 4:43 PM, Alan wrote: 
> >> There is no official Elecraft modification to access the sub-receiver 
> >> IF output, but they do have some information on the web site about 
> >> others have done it: 
> >> 
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#sub%20rx%20if 
> >> 
> >> Alan N1AL 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 01/28/2015 10:39 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: 
> >>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3? 
> >>> 
> >>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking 
> >>> it would 
> >>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one 
> >>> K3. 
> >>> 
> >> 
>
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From mikefurrey at att.net  Wed Jan 28 21:31:04 2015
From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:31:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
Message-ID: <1422498664.40780.BPMail_high_carrier@web181605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>


I use a pair of old radio shack minus 7. Not only do they sound good but also look good with the K3. 

73, Mike WA5POK



------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 4:16 PM PST Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:

>?What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a? A-COM and I am just not?happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.?? 73s Bob W5RG
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 21:59:50 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:59:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
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That's kinda like asking what's the best Key
I use a pair or RCA Branded Minimus 7
Some will unhook the tweeters but I like them stock


      From: Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:16 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
   
?What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a? A-COM and I am just not?happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.?? 73s Bob W5RG
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Jan 28 22:10:03 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:10:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
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Thank you
I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded?for the P3 to know what VFO ?it is looking at.
I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)



      From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
   
See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> That would be nice
> You could run two P3s
>
>
>
>? ? ? ? From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
>? To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>? Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>? Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>
> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>
> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>
>
> Doug NA1DX
> na1dx at arrl.net
> www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 28 22:36:37 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 22:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Message-ID: <0NIX001D76117C20@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>

Harry, 
While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so. 
Tom
va2fsq.com

On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you
> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded?for the P3 to know what VFO ?it is looking at.
> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)
>
> ????? From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
> ?? 
> See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > That would be nice
> > You could run two P3s
> >
> >
> >
> >? ? ? ? From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
> >? To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >? Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
> >? Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
> >
> > Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
> >
> > In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
> > be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
> >
> >
> > Doug NA1DX
> > na1dx at arrl.net
> > www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 22:42:45 2015
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:42:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
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Same here.  There will likely be some on sale soon ...

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> That's kinda like asking what's the best Key
> I use a pair or RCA Branded Minimus 7
> Some will unhook the tweeters but I like them stock
> 
> 
>      From: Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:16 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
> 
>  What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
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From w6jhb at me.com  Wed Jan 28 23:31:52 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:31:52 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda
Message-ID: <D73FB724-110A-477B-B157-94D3D7E5C22E@me.com>

Hi folks,

Looking for some help identifying the USB?>Serial adapter names on Windows 8.1. Here?s the situation: I have a KX3 and a K3. Each has it?s own USB?>Serial adapter from Elecraft. These USB guys plug into my iMac. I run the K3 on the Mac side of the machine, and the KX3 under VMWare Fusion and Windows 8.1 on ?the other side?. On the Mac side I use MacLogger DX (MLDX), FLDIGI, and WSJT-X. When I configure the radio connection, MLDX knows the ?names? of each adapter. the one for the K3 is A8003Ssu and the KX3?s adapter is A501XNHZ. On the Mac side, it is easy to determine which adapter is associated with which radio. 

However, on the Windows side, it is not an easy matter at all. Nowhere can I find any place where it shows the names of these two adapters. And the reason why it is a problem is thus: If the K3 is not ?connected? to either MLDX, or WSJT-X, or FLDIGI on the Mac side and I bring up Windows, I often get both adapters available to me under Fusion. If I attach the wrong one to my apps on the Windows side, things are ugly and take a while to correct.

Is there some way, either with Windows itself, or with VMWare Fusion to see these device names? 

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 29 00:16:15 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:16:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda
In-Reply-To: <D73FB724-110A-477B-B157-94D3D7E5C22E@me.com>
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Message-ID: <004e01d03b82$b549bc00$1fdd3400$@earthlink.net>

Have you looked in Windows 'Device Manager'?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:32 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda

Hi folks,

Looking for some help identifying the USB?>Serial adapter names on Windows 8.1. Here?s the situation: I have a KX3 and a K3. Each has it?s own USB?>Serial adapter from Elecraft. These USB guys plug into my iMac. I run the K3 on the Mac side of the machine, and the KX3 under VMWare Fusion and Windows 8.1 on ?the other side?. On the Mac side I use MacLogger DX (MLDX), FLDIGI, and WSJT-X. When I configure the radio connection, MLDX knows the ?names? of each adapter. the one for the K3 is A8003Ssu and the KX3?s adapter is A501XNHZ. On the Mac side, it is easy to determine which adapter is associated with which radio. 

However, on the Windows side, it is not an easy matter at all. Nowhere can I find any place where it shows the names of these two adapters. And the reason why it is a problem is thus: If the K3 is not ?connected? to either MLDX, or WSJT-X, or FLDIGI on the Mac side and I bring up Windows, I often get both adapters available to me under Fusion. If I attach the wrong one to my apps on the Windows side, things are ugly and take a while to correct.

Is there some way, either with Windows itself, or with VMWare Fusion to see these device names? 
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From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Jan 29 00:19:23 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:19:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda
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Yep, sure did. And I don?t find those names anywhere. Only ?generic? USB serial adapter nomenclature.

> On   Wednesday, Jan 28, 2015, at  Wednesday, 9:16 PM, Fred Townsend <fptownsend at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Have you looked in Windows 'Device Manager'?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of James Bennett
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:32 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Looking for some help identifying the USB?>Serial adapter names on Windows 8.1. Here?s the situation: I have a KX3 and a K3. Each has it?s own USB?>Serial adapter from Elecraft. These USB guys plug into my iMac. I run the K3 on the Mac side of the machine, and the KX3 under VMWare Fusion and Windows 8.1 on ?the other side?. On the Mac side I use MacLogger DX (MLDX), FLDIGI, and WSJT-X. When I configure the radio connection, MLDX knows the ?names? of each adapter. the one for the K3 is A8003Ssu and the KX3?s adapter is A501XNHZ. On the Mac side, it is easy to determine which adapter is associated with which radio. 
> 
> However, on the Windows side, it is not an easy matter at all. Nowhere can I find any place where it shows the names of these two adapters. And the reason why it is a problem is thus: If the K3 is not ?connected? to either MLDX, or WSJT-X, or FLDIGI on the Mac side and I bring up Windows, I often get both adapters available to me under Fusion. If I attach the wrong one to my apps on the Windows side, things are ugly and take a while to correct.
> 
> Is there some way, either with Windows itself, or with VMWare Fusion to see these device names? 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jan 29 01:01:35 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:01:35 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
Message-ID: <201501290601.t0T61aVG066202@huffman.acsalaska.net>

Doug,

Its not difficult if you do not mind soldering a disc ceramic cap to 
the subreceiver board and running some RG-174.  I outlined how I did 
that on my webpage:
http://www.kl7uw.com/LINRAD.htm

Scroll down the page until you come to the heading:
   Connecting K3 Sub-Receiver IF to LP-Pan:
Connection is near the noise blanker jack-J78, pin1 and W3.
Just solder a .001 uF disc ceramic cap and attach other end to center 
conductor of the RG-174.
Full instructions on my website.  Use static protection while 
handling the open sub-receiver.

73, Ed - KL7UW
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From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
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Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?

In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.


Doug NA1DX
na1dx at arrl.net
www.ellmore.net/na1dx


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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     dubususa at gmail.com

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 29 06:03:27 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:03:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] speakers
Message-ID: <536232747.1422880.1422529407288.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

?Thanks everyone for there input.. I have a lot of good ideas..?? 73s Bob W5RG

From G0ORH at sky.com  Thu Jan 29 09:04:04 2015
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:04:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
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I have West Mountain speakers, had them for 3 yrs now,  no rf issues to date.

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 29 Jan 2015, at 00:16, Bob Gibson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>  What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Thu Jan 29 09:05:19 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (briana)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
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Guys,

Before trashing this,  one actually needs to use it as I have for years.

I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER ($75) 
cw decode program.  You do need an SDR and available sound card to use them.

ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display.   It can be sized and easily fit 
on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't hog 
the entire display.   This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to be 
IMHO.  The frequency scale is relative in KHz.   It is not the rigs 
frequency.   There are no bells and whistles like point and click.   
Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting 
pileups.   You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX 
is working and ID it by ear.    There is no concern about offsets et 
al.    It is simplicity and works great.  Only occasionally have I 
wished for a bit more.  A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER.

The next step up is SKIMMER.   It has rig control and displays a true 
frequency scale.  While you could probably use the display on phone,  
its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz decode 
window.   There is point and click and spotting of decoded signals.   It 
provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls decoded that can be 
displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists a program that moves 
the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell times.   SKIMMER is 
excellent for contests and busting very difficult CW pileups -- if you 
can hear most of the calling stations.  For CW contests it is in 
invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds N1MM and other 
contest programs. These spots are high value spots in that you're 
actually hearing them.

While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication.   I have found it 
to be perfectly adequate.   I'm not influenced by how sexy the display 
is or a bunch of bells and whistles.  KISS is what I'm happy with.

Try it, you may like it.

I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either program.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
> Harry,
> While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so.
> Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> Thank you
>> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that I was got a while ago.
>> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO  it is looking at.
>> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program briefly and found it to be nice)
>>
>>        From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>     
>> See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO
>>
>> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> That would be nice
>>> You could run two P3s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
>>>    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>    Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>>>    Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>>
>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>
>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking it would
>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with one K3.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug NA1DX
>>> na1dx at arrl.net
>>> www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Thu Jan 29 09:29:08 2015
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with "other" I/Q Receiver?
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Hi Tom,

The image nulling procedure is built in the PX3. I did not run it in 
order not to alter these settings for the KX3 - I merely wanted to 
indicate that is is possible. I have the necessary signal generator to 
do so, that wasn't the reason not doing this...

73,
Peter

On 2015-01-28 19:22 Tom Blahovici wrote:
> Hi Yes but can't you calibrate this out using a signal generator and the px3 calibration facility?

From haircutter at verizon.net  Thu Jan 29 09:34:42 2015
From: haircutter at verizon.net (haircutter at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:34:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] mcu verification failed
Message-ID: <1422542082189-7597677.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello Folks,
trying to load software to my K3. port ok and downloaded latest version. but
keep getting a message that "verification failed, reload MCU.

need help....

Don...w2xb



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From kenk3iu at cox.net  Thu Jan 29 09:59:13 2015
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mcu verification failed
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References: <lqbS1p00g45oxQM01qbfNA>
Message-ID: <54CA4AC1.2010003@cox.net>

Don:
There is quite a bit of information in 
the K3 Utility Help file concerning 
firmware loading problems.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 1/29/2015 9:34 AM, 
haircutter at verizon.net wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> trying to load software to my K3. port ok and downloaded latest version. but
> keep getting a message that "verification failed, reload MCU.
>
> need help....
>
> Don...w2xb
>
>
>
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From haircutter at verizon.net  Thu Jan 29 10:27:13 2015
From: haircutter at verizon.net (haircutter at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:27:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] mcu verification failed
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Thanks Ken.. &nbsp; Don &nbsp; &nbsp; On 01/29/15, Ken K3IU [via Elecraft]&lt;ml-node+s365791n7597678h69 at n2.nabble.com&gt; wrote: &nbsp; Don: There is quite a bit of information in the K3 Utility Help file concerning firmware loading problems. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 1/29/2015 9:34 AM, [hidden email]  wrote: &gt; Hello Folks, &gt; trying to load software to my K3. port ok and downloaded latest version. but &gt; keep getting a message that "verification failed, reload MCU. &gt; &gt; need help.... &gt; &gt; Don...w2xb &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; -- &gt; View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/mcu-verification-failed-tp7597677.html &gt; Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. &gt; ______________________________________________________________ &gt; Elecraft mailing list &gt; Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft &gt; Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm &gt; Post: mailto: [hidden email]  &gt; &gt; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net &gt; Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html &gt; Message delivered to [hidden email]  &gt; ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: [hidden email]  This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email]  If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/mcu-verification-failed-tp7597677p7597678.html  To unsubscribe from mcu verification failed, click here . NAML  




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From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us  Thu Jan 29 10:23:07 2015
From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (KD7YZ)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:23:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning with K3
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Message-ID: <15510152828.20150129102307@denstarfarm.us>

Did  a  search  on  elecraft;  found  article; downloaded their Memory
Editor;  solved  problem  and  now  handily  scanning,  quietly,  and
stations pop-up when scanner passes them.

Gee,  now  if  I  could  make  that point to stop on CW mode inside my
'sweet-spot' to my ears ....

thanks all who wrote off-list.

thanks mainly to Elecraft for the memory-editor
-- 
73
KD7YZ Bob


From we2h at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 29 11:18:46 2015
From: we2h at earthlink.net (Ed Hamlin)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED: KX3: Hi SWR on 20m & 30m after KX3-2M install
Message-ID: <96C5CC55-7435-42B6-A3C8-447C67C8C36B@earthlink.net>

I also sent the same message to Elecraft directly, and received an immediate response.

The bad news is that I had to disassemble the KX3 and remove the 2m and tuner modules in order to get a look at the inductors. 

The good news is that the inductors were OK, but the shell of the SMA connector was in contact with L40, which, according to the schematic, has a direct effect on the 20/30 m tuning. I couldn't move the inductor very much, so I removed the SMA and put a small length of heat shrink tubing over the shell, then put everything back together.

The result was I now have 1.0 SWR on both 20 and 30 m bands! 

The lesson here is that they are not kidding about ensuring the the SMA should not touch the inductors! I thought I had allowed for enough clearance, but I obvious did not.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Also kudos to Elecraft for their outstanding tech support.

73s
Ed/WE2H

Sent from my iPad 

> 
> Hi
> 
> I just recently installed the 2M transverter in my KX-3. I?m now noticing high (11 to 25) SWR readings on 20m and I wondered if this might be related (I don?t recall such high readings before). I?m using an off-center fed dipole that has worked quite well in the past. The KX3 autotuner worked so well in the past, and I?ve seen it tune on relatively short random wires, so inability to tune on a good antenna seems rather odd.
> 
> Part of the installation required displacing L40 and L43 on the main RF board to make room for the SMA connector. It?s possible to break one of the leads on the inductor while doing this. L40 (as I recall) felt pretty tight and I may have inadvertently pushed it too hard. 
> 
> What would be the symptoms of an open circuit on either of those inductors? Other than high SWR on 20m and 30m, I haven?t seen any anomalous behavior.
> 
> 73s
> Ed

From hes.not.here at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 11:32:28 2015
From: hes.not.here at gmail.com (RB3)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:32:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
Message-ID: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning!

I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
unplug the red cable from the input.

I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
able to use the equipment I already have.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

73,
Sonny
KC3DNN

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From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Jan 29 11:40:03 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:40:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
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My friend, I had the same type of problem in bringing the KX3 up to speed for digital. The rig would begin wildly scanning when connected to an Mic sound card. My solution was to use my old Signalink sound card instead with a home brew cable. Does a very nice job. In trouble shooting the iMic (which I never got to work), someone mentioned checking the mini-plug type. Remember the KX3 microphone plug is a tip-ring-sleeve plug (TRS). Presumably a mono or stereo plug would cause unexpected things to happen.
My two cents for you.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA 

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, RB3 <hes.not.here at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning!
> 
> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
> unplug the red cable from the input.
> 
> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
> able to use the equipment I already have.
> 
> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
> 
> 73,
> Sonny
> KC3DNN
> 
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From w7hd at msn.com  Thu Jan 29 11:46:35 2015
From: w7hd at msn.com (w7hd at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:46:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
In-Reply-To: <54CA3E1F.6020605@nc.rr.com>
References: <0NIX001D76117C20@VL-VM-MR005.ip.videotron.ca>
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I am using Rocky with my KX3 I/Q output and it works VERY well.  I 
should also point out that the latest version 3.32 will decode CW and 
PSK31 signals !!!  I had to use a laptop with a stereo input USB sound 
card ($15 from Amazon) and it gives me 96Khz of bandwidth.   The reason 
for the laptop is that the regular PC induced a ground loop and caused 
artifacts on the KX3 main output to the other laptop that runs Propnet.

Ron W7HD

briana wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Before trashing this,  one actually needs to use it as I have for years.
>
> I've used it with the ROCKY (free) panadapter program and SKIMMER 
> ($75) cw decode program.  You do need an SDR and available sound card 
> to use them.
>
> ROCKY is a bare bones spectrum display.   It can be sized and easily 
> fit on your computer display along witht logging programs which don't 
> hog the entire display.   This is where a panadapter diisplay ought to 
> be IMHO.  The frequency scale is relative in KHz.   It is not the rigs 
> frequency.   There are no bells and whistles like point and click.   
> Despite these short commings it is perfectly adequate for busting 
> pileups.   You simply tune the subrx to the blip that you think the DX 
> is working and ID it by ear.    There is no concern about offsets et 
> al.    It is simplicity and works great.  Only occasionally have I 
> wished for a bit more.  A bit more turns out to be SKIMMER.
>
> The next step up is SKIMMER.   It has rig control and displays a true 
> frequency scale.  While you could probably use the display on phone,  
> its main purpose is to decode all the CW signals within its 24KHz 
> decode window.   There is point and click and spotting of decoded 
> signals.   It provides a band map and also a tabulation of calls 
> decoded that can be displayed sorted alphabetically. There also exists 
> a program that moves the 24 KHz window around with user set dwell 
> times.   SKIMMER is excellent for contests and busting very difficult 
> CW pileups -- if you can hear most of the calling stations.  For CW 
> contests it is in invisible second op spot generator that nicely feeds 
> N1MM and other contest programs. These spots are high value spots in 
> that you're actually hearing them.
>
> While none of this approaches the P3's sophistication.   I have found 
> it to be perfectly adequate.   I'm not influenced by how sexy the 
> display is or a bunch of bells and whistles.  KISS is what I'm happy 
> with.
>
> Try it, you may like it.
>
> I'm just a satisfied user I have in pecuniary interests in either 
> program.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
> On 1/28/2015 10:36 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote:
>> Harry,
>> While its a nice idea there are a couple of commands missing in the 
>> api to allow this to be done properly. If all you are interested is 
>> seeing the spectrum and doing qsys it probably is possible. But to do 
>> the job semi-correctly you would need some customized code to do so.
>> Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2015 10:10 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
>> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> Thank you
>>> I already have the Clifton labs Buffer amp and a softrock lite that 
>>> I was got a while ago.
>>> It would be interesting if a Second P3 could be hooked up,I suspect 
>>> it would have to be coded for the P3 to know what VFO  it is looking 
>>> at.
>>> I'll have to look into if someone already has written a NaP3 type 
>>> program that supports 2 Receivers(I only played with that program 
>>> briefly and found it to be nice)
>>>
>>>        From: Mike Harris <mike.harris at horizon.co.fk>
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>>     See PVRC (Potomac Valley Radio Club) Newsletter June 2012.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike VP8NO
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2015 18:20, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> That would be nice
>>>> You could run two P3s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          From: Doug Ellmore <doug at ellmore.net>
>>>>    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>    Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 1:39 PM
>>>>    Subject: [Elecraft] IF out of 2nd Receiver in K3?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to get the IF out of the optional 2nd receiver of a K3?
>>>>
>>>> In addition to looking at two different bands in HF, I am thinking 
>>>> it would
>>>> be great to be able to look at both 6m and 2m for field day with 
>>>> one K3.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doug NA1DX
>>>> na1dx at arrl.net
>>>> www.ellmore.net/na1dx
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Jan 29 11:55:28 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:55:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>

The mic socket in the KX3 is a 4-conductor type. 
If not wired correctly (e.g., it's *not* the 
4-conductor configuration of an iPhone!) you can 
key down the rig as soon as the plug is inserted. 
This could be your problem, Sonny

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/29/15 8:32 AM, RB3 wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
> unplug the red cable from the input.
>
> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
> able to use the equipment I already have.
>
> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> 73,
> Sonny
> KC3DNN
>


From nf4l at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 12:04:46 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:04:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mcu verification failed
In-Reply-To: <1422542082189-7597677.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1422542082189-7597677.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2C00FEF8-FA8F-444A-B0A7-76335F15ABA5@comcast.net>

Don -
There are instructions in the K3Utility help file.Make sure you have the latest version. 
73, Mike NF4L

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:34 AM, haircutter at verizon.net wrote:
> 
> Hello Folks,
> trying to load software to my K3. port ok and downloaded latest version. but
> keep getting a message that "verification failed, reload MCU.
> 
> need help....
> 
> Don...w2xb
> 
> 
> 
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 12:11:04 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:11:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54CA69A8.2050708@gmail.com>

Sonny,

Try this.

Go to SSB mode, then go to the menu item "MIC BTN" and rotate VFO A 
until it displays "OFF."  Also set MIC BIAS to OFF.

Then go back to data mode, plug in your cables and operate.

When you want to use the microphone again, go back to SSB mode and set 
up the MIC BIAS and MIC BTN for your particular microphone.

At this time, the MIC menu items can;t be changed inDATA modes, but that 
may change in the future.

73,

Lyle KK7P


> The mic socket in the KX3 is a 4-conductor type. If not wired 
> correctly (e.g., it's *not* the 4-conductor configuration of an 
> iPhone!) you can key down the rig as soon as the plug is inserted.

>> ...Every time
>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down 
>> until I
>> unplug the red cable from the input.


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jan 29 12:13:18 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:13:18 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CFF0821D-A5D2-44CF-9858-14258874CD2C@wunderwood.org>

You can use a TRS plug on the KX3 if you set MIC BTN to OFF.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> The mic socket in the KX3 is a 4-conductor type. If not wired correctly (e.g., it's *not* the 4-conductor configuration of an iPhone!) you can key down the rig as soon as the plug is inserted. This could be your problem, Sonny
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 1/29/15 8:32 AM, RB3 wrote:
>> Good morning!
>> 
>> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
>> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
>> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
>> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
>> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
>> unplug the red cable from the input.
>> 
>> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
>> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
>> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
>> able to use the equipment I already have.
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Sonny
>> KC3DNN
>> 
> 
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Jan 29 12:17:17 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:17:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <4F6FFC1B-289E-46F7-98E6-BAB331C531F8@me.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F6FFC1B-289E-46F7-98E6-BAB331C531F8@me.com>
Message-ID: <E24196EB-E764-4BE1-8395-15F70925E499@me.com>

Also, part of the magic of using FLDigi and a SignaLink card is that the software does all of the work by design. The KX3 remains in SSB mode for PSK or RTTY, so it becomes a quick cable swap to plug in digital or plug in a microphone.

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:40 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> My friend, I had the same type of problem in bringing the KX3 up to speed for digital. The rig would begin wildly scanning when connected to an Mic sound card. My solution was to use my old Signalink sound card instead with a home brew cable. Does a very nice job. In trouble shooting the iMic (which I never got to work), someone mentioned checking the mini-plug type. Remember the KX3 microphone plug is a tip-ring-sleeve plug (TRS). Presumably a mono or stereo plug would cause unexpected things to happen.
> My two cents for you.
> 
> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, RB3 <hes.not.here at gmail.com <mailto:hes.not.here at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning!
>> 
>> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
>> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
>> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
>> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
>> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
>> unplug the red cable from the input.
>> 
>> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
>> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
>> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
>> able to use the equipment I already have.
>> 
>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Sonny
>> KC3DNN
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 




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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Jan 29 12:21:55 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:21:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <CFF0821D-A5D2-44CF-9858-14258874CD2C@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>	<54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>
	<CFF0821D-A5D2-44CF-9858-14258874CD2C@wunderwood.org>
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TRS = Toy Radio Shack, or what?

Phil W7OX

On 1/29/15 9:13 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> You can use a TRS plug on the KX3 if you set MIC BTN to OFF.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> The mic socket in the KX3 is a 4-conductor type. If not wired correctly (e.g., it's *not* the 4-conductor configuration of an iPhone!) you can key down the rig as soon as the plug is inserted. This could be your problem, Sonny
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 1/29/15 8:32 AM, RB3 wrote:
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
>>> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
>>> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
>>> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
>>> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
>>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
>>> unplug the red cable from the input.
>>>
>>> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
>>> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
>>> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
>>> able to use the equipment I already have.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Sonny
>>> KC3DNN


From phystad at mac.com  Thu Jan 29 12:24:40 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:24:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <54CA6C33.1060603@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CFF0821D-A5D2-44CF-9858-14258874CD2C@wunderwood.org>
	<54CA6C33.1060603@socal.rr.com>
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TRS -- Tip, Ring, Sleeve


> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> TRS = Toy Radio Shack, or what?
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> On 1/29/15 9:13 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> You can use a TRS plug on the KX3 if you set MIC BTN to OFF.
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/
>> 
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The mic socket in the KX3 is a 4-conductor type. If not wired correctly (e.g., it's *not* the 4-conductor configuration of an iPhone!) you can key down the rig as soon as the plug is inserted. This could be your problem, Sonny
>>> 
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>> 
>>> On 1/29/15 8:32 AM, RB3 wrote:
>>>> Good morning!
>>>> 
>>>> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
>>>> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
>>>> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
>>>> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
>>>> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
>>>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
>>>> unplug the red cable from the input.
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
>>>> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
>>>> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
>>>> able to use the equipment I already have.
>>>> 
>>>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Sonny
>>>> KC3DNN
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jan 29 12:26:03 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <E24196EB-E764-4BE1-8395-15F70925E499@me.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
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You don?t want the KX3 in SSB (USB) for these modes. If you do that, you need to turn off TX EQ, compression, and RX EQ every time you go digital. Then turn it all back on for voice.

DATA A exists primarily as a separate config set for USB that takes care of that for you.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:17 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:

> Also, part of the magic of using FLDigi and a SignaLink card is that the software does all of the work by design. The KX3 remains in SSB mode for PSK or RTTY, so it becomes a quick cable swap to plug in digital or plug in a microphone.
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:40 AM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My friend, I had the same type of problem in bringing the KX3 up to speed for digital. The rig would begin wildly scanning when connected to an Mic sound card. My solution was to use my old Signalink sound card instead with a home brew cable. Does a very nice job. In trouble shooting the iMic (which I never got to work), someone mentioned checking the mini-plug type. Remember the KX3 microphone plug is a tip-ring-sleeve plug (TRS). Presumably a mono or stereo plug would cause unexpected things to happen.
>> My two cents for you.
>> 
>> David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA 
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:32 AM, RB3 <hes.not.here at gmail.com <mailto:hes.not.here at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning!
>>> 
>>> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
>>> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
>>> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
>>> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
>>> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
>>> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
>>> unplug the red cable from the input.
>>> 
>>> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
>>> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
>>> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
>>> able to use the equipment I already have.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Sonny
>>> KC3DNN
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From tk at nk4i.com  Thu Jan 29 12:27:54 2015
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CA6D9A.6040807@nk4i.com>

Maybe your MIC BTN setting, page 35 in the manual?

I was struggling a little with digital modes on my KX3.  After trying 
several things, I picked up a USB Traveller from G3LIV 
(http://www.g3liv.co.uk/).  Has keyed PTT via USB, isolation 
transformers, and controls for RX/TX levels.  It's small and packs well 
for portable use and is USB powered.  I've used it with the built-in 
sound on my MacBookPro as well as a TASCAM US-2x2.  For me, it was money 
well spent.  Customer service from Johnny is awesome as well.

Tighe
NK4I

On 1/29/15 11:32 AM, RB3 wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> I've only had my KX3 for a month, but I've enjoyed it so far. Recently, I
> have been trying to operate digital modes (RTTY and PSK31) using my SB
> Audigy 2 NX external sound card and several different programs (fldigi,
> KComm, HRD, and a few others). I am using the KX3USB for control and the
> KX3-PCKT cables (Red, Green, and I/Q) for input/output/analyzer. Every time
> I connect the MIC input to the sound card output, the rig keys down until I
> unplug the red cable from the input.
>
> I've tried using different selections in the programs for PTT (serial, VOX,
> software), but nothing seems to work. I am aware of other options out
> there, such as the RigBlaster and SignaLink USB, but I was hoping to be
> able to use the equipment I already have.
>
> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> 73,
> Sonny
> KC3DNN
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jan 29 12:32:02 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:32:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using external sound card for digital modes
In-Reply-To: <54CA6C33.1060603@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAPF_3TQG=BJuHHtYoyGbzJozQG-xM1sixwng0HNfYQU+xHxQzw@mail.gmail.com>	<54CA6600.6060406@socal.rr.com>	<CFF0821D-A5D2-44CF-9858-14258874CD2C@wunderwood.org>
	<54CA6C33.1060603@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <54CA6E92.5000408@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,1/29/2015 9:21 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> TRS = Toy Radio Shack, or what?

Tip-Ring-Sleeve -- a common "stereo" plug. But as has been noted, the 
KX3 uses a TRRS plug.

Another point. The SignaLink is NOT a very good sound card. Several 
years ago, I evaluated several good, inexpensive USB sound cards. I 
wrote up my work here. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

73, Jim K9YC

From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com  Thu Jan 29 14:54:37 2015
From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:54:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3
In-Reply-To: <09E5D354-022C-45E0-9D34-7EFDE586E622@sky.com>
References: <1323672168.1293291.1422490584430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<09E5D354-022C-45E0-9D34-7EFDE586E622@sky.com>
Message-ID: <001601d03bfd$6a353160$3e9f9420$@com>

West Mountain here also over 4 yrs. Zero issues great sound.



73 & Good DX,
Fred  N0AZZ



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken
Chandler
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:04 AM
To: Bob Gibson
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SPEAKER FOR K3

I have West Mountain speakers, had them for 3 yrs now,  no rf issues to
date.

Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 29 Jan 2015, at 00:16, Bob Gibson via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>  What seems to be the best speaker for the k3? I'm using a  A-COM and I am
just not happy with the way it sounds.. I know the RX EQ can change the
sound! I know I will get all different answers, but at least I can see what
everyone may or may not be using.   73s Bob W5RG
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 18:14:42 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:14:42 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Scanning with K3
In-Reply-To: <15510152828.20150129102307@denstarfarm.us>
References: <1641614063.20150128134957@denstarfarm.us>
	<15510152828.20150129102307@denstarfarm.us>
Message-ID: <FD911CDD-E427-4CF5-88F6-C211F8A08D6D@gmail.com>

If you narrow your filter it may stop closer to that "sweet spot"? Or maybe it won't stop at all; you'll have to experiment.

73, Matt VK2RQ

> On 30 Jan 2015, at 2:23 am, KD7YZ <kd7yz at denstarfarm.us> wrote:
> 
> Did  a  search  on  elecraft;  found  article; downloaded their Memory
> Editor;  solved  problem  and  now  handily  scanning,  quietly,  and
> stations pop-up when scanner passes them.
> 
> Gee,  now  if  I  could  make  that point to stop on CW mode inside my
> 'sweet-spot' to my ears ....
> 
> thanks all who wrote off-list.
> 
> thanks mainly to Elecraft for the memory-editor
> -- 
> 73
> KD7YZ Bob
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From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 18:55:45 2015
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:55:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
Message-ID: <CALpA8WjS_sqn0=hqWHtb4rJvTEwXNFvudYQGOWgR6RJ_J6Kbdw@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to start RTTY operations and I really don't know where to
begin to accomplish this task. I have a K3/100 with a P3 and a Dell laptop
that runs Windows 7 professional. Also use N1MM when contesting Any
directions would be helpful.
Thanks KC5WA

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jan 29 19:27:01 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:27:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <CALpA8WjS_sqn0=hqWHtb4rJvTEwXNFvudYQGOWgR6RJ_J6Kbdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALpA8WjS_sqn0=hqWHtb4rJvTEwXNFvudYQGOWgR6RJ_J6Kbdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>

The easiest way is to go AFSK.  It will take two stereo cables from RS 
or wherever.  Laptop LINE OUT goes to K3 LINE IN, K3 LINE OUT goes to 
laptop LINE IN.  If the laptop doesn't have a LINE IN, use the MIC jack. 
  K3 line out level is in a CONFIG: setting.  When LINE IN is selected 
in the menu the MIC gain becomes LINE IN gain.  Be sure and select only 
line in, there is an option which leaves your mic hot too.

N1MM has a digital window in the "Windows" menu.  It has a RTTY TU but 
it's not the best, most folks use MMTTY or 2TONE add-ons.  MMTTY is 
free, just download it.  I think you also have to tell N1MM where MMTTY 
is on your computer.  MMTTY is fairly complex and has lots of 
configuration abilities.  It will work very well pretty much "out of the 
box" however.

You will need to select the tone frequency in the K3 with the PITCH 
control.  I think there are 4 choices, I recommend 915 Hz, it's a lot 
easier on your ears.  You need to set that same tone freq in MMTTY.  I 
use NET on, AFC off, and UOS on.  HAM=off, it forces the tones to the 2+ 
KHz standard.

In TX TEST, first adjust the MIC knob for 4 bars of ALC and the 5th 
flickering when MMTTY is in transmit.  THEN set your desired power 
output with the PWR knob.  You can't adjust the power out with the MIC 
gain control.

You may need to cut the K3-->computer cable and put a 1:10 divider in it 
if the K3 line output is too hot for the computer sound card input.

There are a lot of steps but once it's set up, you don't have to mess 
with anything.  Best to start and then ask specific questions.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/29/2015 3:55 PM, Robert 'RC' Conley wrote:
> I would like to start RTTY operations and I really don't know where to
> begin to accomplish this task. I have a K3/100 with a P3 and a Dell laptop
> that runs Windows 7 professional. Also use N1MM when contesting Any
> directions would be helpful.
> Thanks KC5WA
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Jan 29 19:41:08 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:41:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver Aux Antenna Input Option
Message-ID: <128946205.1650754.1422578468458.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I was looking through the Installation manual for the Sub Receiver and saw that I need to decide which?aux antenna Option to use either the deselected antenna on the KAT3 or the dedicated BNC Input.
Note: I'm planning to put up a 25' vertical whip as a dedicated RX antenna

I'm leaning towards the deselected antenna because I plan to add the KPA500 and use the Ant 1?output to feed into the amplifier I would then ?connect the RX antenna to the antenna 2 position
This would also leave me an open hole on the back of the radio to route out the IF from the second RX.

Thoughts?




From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 20:03:43 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:03:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Ed Muns - W0YK
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNz3we6jmObLRSjCaQ8e3KLC4rKSfVS0McydPrfvS5fsg@mail.gmail.com>

Well, sorta OT .... K3 owner and RTTY
contester Ed Muns, W0YK is the subject of a nice article in the Milpitas
newspaper.

73

Ken - K0PP

From dmoes at nexicom.net  Thu Jan 29 21:28:15 2015
From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:28:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
Message-ID: <54caec3f.1512.f65d6940.6093a9da@nexicom.net>


Here is a good document that I found online that I used for reference
when I was setting up that will help it describes using N1MM and the
K3 and has a good section on using MMTTY and AFSK

http://www.n3me.net  follow the howto  link and select

N1MM software - control radio and log contests via computer and 
Elecraft K3

if you are willing to build the interface you can also use FSK I
plan to have this built soon. but I am using AFSK just fine for now
FSK just makes things a little easier as you do not have to worry
about audio levels etc.

http://n6mw.jimdo.com/k3-project/

I would however suggest that if you are using AFSK that you consider
a good external sound card like the Tascam card often discussed on
this list as the internal soundcard in most laptop including dell 
tendto be noisy

I hope you have luck with it and if so perhaps we will meet in the
CQ WPX RTTY.

David Moes
VE3DVY



From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 21:43:05 2015
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:43:05 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Ed Muns - W0YK
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNz3we6jmObLRSjCaQ8e3KLC4rKSfVS0McydPrfvS5fsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTNz3we6jmObLRSjCaQ8e3KLC4rKSfVS0McydPrfvS5fsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcYH8UhfbZU6qNAoYGTkm6a2R8c==TaXQ2NZqvf-AnNyVA@mail.gmail.com>

K3 owner, RTTY master, and fellow winemaker. ;) You can read it here:

http://www.mercurynews.com/los-gatos/ci_27414546/los-gatos-saratoga-muns-word-among-ham-radio

73 jeff wk6i

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, sorta OT .... K3 owner and RTTY
> contester Ed Muns, W0YK is the subject of a nice article in the Milpitas
> newspaper.
>
> --
Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com
Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/
Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak

From tcgroat at mesanetworks.net  Thu Jan 29 21:54:05 2015
From: tcgroat at mesanetworks.net (Tim Groat)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] variac question
In-Reply-To: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
References: <0259E5F216444CFD8A2FC35466035C32@WT5YPC>
Message-ID: <54CAF24D.3000604@mesanetworks.net>

It sounds like a polarity problem. The line cord feeding the variac may 
be reversed, or the switch may be in the neutral instead of the 120V 
line (or if it's a double-pole switch, one pole may have failed "On".) 
Easy way to tell: check voltage from neutral to ground with the switch 
on. If it's zero when the switch is on and 120V with the switch off, the 
switch probably is in the neutral. If it's 120V both ways, the line cord 
or outlet is wired wrong.

You definitely should fix it, but don't rely on the switch for safety. 
They can (and do) fail. Always unplug to be safe!

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From la9nea at online.no  Thu Jan 29 23:19:42 2015
From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:19:42 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-mini or K3/0
Message-ID: <2134988089.24452.1422591582918.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice29.nsc.no>

Hello,

Have somebody of you an K3/0  mini or K3/0 for sale ?

(What standard is the 12 vdc conn. on K3/0 mini ) ?

73'Viggo M . LA9NEA

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 30 00:07:14 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 00:07:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
Message-ID: <54CB1182.30615.5D006F@Gary.ka1j.com>

I've noticed something happening with the P3 that I haven't found a 
way to resolve.

The K3 is hearing a station on 1.825.010 & Pushing spot verifies this 
is the optimal frequency I'm hearing them at. 
I have the P3 span sat the narrowest at 1. 
The centerline of the P3 displays 1.824.97
Pressing CENTER on the the P3 says "Center Frequency 1.825.0" 
However, the signal is decidedly to the left of the center line on 
the P3 display.
The peak of the signal is above the signal, not at 1.825.0

It seems as if I could move the waterfall to the right 110 Hz, both 
would be in sync.

I can't seem to find any mention  of an adjustment to get these in 
sync. Any suggestions?

73,

Gary
KA1J


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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 30 00:53:44 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 05:53:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
In-Reply-To: <54CB1182.30615.5D006F@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54CB1182.30615.5D006F@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <920651852.720511.1422597224049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Have you looked at the Ref Cal option in the menu?




      From: Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:07 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
   
I've noticed something happening with the P3 that I haven't found a 
way to resolve.

The K3 is hearing a station on 1.825.010 & Pushing spot verifies this 
is the optimal frequency I'm hearing them at. 
I have the P3 span sat the narrowest at 1. 
The centerline of the P3 displays 1.824.97
Pressing CENTER on the the P3 says "Center Frequency 1.825.0" 
However, the signal is decidedly to the left of the center line on 
the P3 display.
The peak of the signal is above the signal, not at 1.825.0

It seems as if I could move the waterfall to the right 110 Hz, both 
would be in sync.

I can't seem to find any mention? of an adjustment to get these in 
sync. Any suggestions?

73,

Gary
KA1J


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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jan 30 01:17:07 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:17:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
In-Reply-To: <920651852.720511.1422597224049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54CB1182.30615.5D006F@Gary.ka1j.com>,
	<920651852.720511.1422597224049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54CB21E3.596.9CFBDE@Gary.ka1j.com>

Harry,

Apparently I hadn't. I had calibrated the K3 recently but missed that 
in the P3 menu.

It is now properly calibrated and thank you for the pointer.

73,

Gary
KA1J
 
> 
> Have you looked at the Ref Cal option in the menu?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:07 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
> 
> I've noticed something happening with the P3 that I haven't found a
> way to resolve.
> 
> The K3 is hearing a station on 1.825.010 & Pushing spot verifies this
> is the optimal frequency I'm hearing them at.
> I have the P3 span sat the narrowest at 1.
> The centerline of the P3 displays 1.824.97
> Pressing CENTER on the the P3 says "Center Frequency 1.825.0"
> However, the signal is decidedly to the left of the center line on
> the P3 display.
> The peak of the signal is above the signal, not at 1.825.0
> 
> It seems as if I could move the waterfall to the right 110 Hz, both
> would be in sync.
> 
> I can't seem to find any mention? of an adjustment to get these in
> sync. Any suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
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From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jan 30 08:06:03 2015
From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:06:03 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
Message-ID: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>

My KPA500 has just developed an issue. Specifically when I switch it from
Stby to Oper, the level of received signals drops by around 5 or 6 s
points. It still transmits fine and there are no adverse SWR indications or
loose co-ax plugs. It does the same on all bands. I switch back to Stby and
the received signals return to normal.

I seem to recall that someone else posted details of a similar such problem
some time ago. Any suggestions would be helpful before I email the Elecraft
hot line.

Barry Simpson   VK2BJ

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 30 08:09:09 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:09:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
In-Reply-To: <54CB21E3.596.9CFBDE@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54CB21E3.596.9CFBDE@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <1764060267.1805827.1422623350037.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Glad I could help




      From: Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com>
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
   
Harry,

Apparently I hadn't. I had calibrated the K3 recently but missed that 
in the P3 menu.

It is now properly calibrated and thank you for the pointer.

73,

Gary
KA1J
 
> 
> Have you looked at the Ref Cal option in the menu?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 12:07 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Shift waterfall with P3
> 
> I've noticed something happening with the P3 that I haven't found a
> way to resolve.
> 
> The K3 is hearing a station on 1.825.010 & Pushing spot verifies this
> is the optimal frequency I'm hearing them at.
> I have the P3 span sat the narrowest at 1.
> The centerline of the P3 displays 1.824.97
> Pressing CENTER on the the P3 says "Center Frequency 1.825.0"
> However, the signal is decidedly to the left of the center line on
> the P3 display.
> The peak of the signal is above the signal, not at 1.825.0
> 
> It seems as if I could move the waterfall to the right 110 Hz, both
> would be in sync.
> 
> I can't seem to find any mention? of an adjustment to get these in
> sync. Any suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
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From david at aslinvc.com  Fri Jan 30 08:32:21 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:32:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SO2V in digital modes
Message-ID: <46d8bc594dc54853b447384ba3541781@SEHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

It seems the current firmware will not allow me to use FSK on VFO A and PSK63 on VFO B.  The annual national contesting series in the UK has a monthly event that is RTTY + PSK.
What is the status of any firmware change to allow digital mode per VFO on the K3?  Meantime are there any workarounds?
73
David G3WGN  M6O  WJ6O



From k2mk at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 08:34:56 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:34:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Barry,

There is an asterisk that appears on the left side of the KPA500 display
whenever the key out signal from your transmitter is present. You should not
see the asterisk when you are receiving. If you are then is it possible that
you are using the key out signal to operate some other device in addition to
the KPA500?

73,
Mike K2MK


Barry Simpson wrote
> My KPA500 has just developed an issue. Specifically when I switch it from
> Stby to Oper, the level of received signals drops by around 5 or 6 s
> points. It still transmits fine and there are no adverse SWR indications
> or
> loose co-ax plugs. It does the same on all bands. I switch back to Stby
> and
> the received signals return to normal.
> 
> I seem to recall that someone else posted details of a similar such
> problem
> some time ago. Any suggestions would be helpful before I email the
> Elecraft
> hot line.
> 
> Barry Simpson   VK2BJ





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From ve3iay at storm.ca  Fri Jan 30 08:52:13 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:52:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SO2V in digital modes
Message-ID: <54CB8C8D.7080107@storm.ca>

The simplest workaround is to use AFSK. If you are capable of 
configuring your equipment so as to generate a clean PSK63 signal, it is 
within your ability to use AFSK to create a clean RTTY signal that is 
every bit as good as (or better than) an FSK RTTY signal.

73,
Rich VE3KI


G3WGN wrote:
> It seems the current firmware will not allow me to use FSK on VFO A and PSK63 on VFO \
> B.  The annual national contesting series in the UK has a monthly event that is RTTY \
> + PSK. What is the status of any firmware change to allow digital mode per VFO on the \
> K3?  Meantime are there any workarounds?



From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 30 09:13:02 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SO2V in digital modes
In-Reply-To: <46d8bc594dc54853b447384ba3541781@SEHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
References: <46d8bc594dc54853b447384ba3541781@SEHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>
Message-ID: <54CB916E.9030705@subich.com>


 > What is the status of any firmware change to allow digital mode per
 > VFO on the K3?

Not likely due to the synthesizer design.

 > Meantime are there any workarounds?

You can certainly use AFSK (MMTTY USB) and PSK63 (MMVARI) or 2 x MMVARI
simultaneously in DATA_A - one on each receiver/VFO.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-30 8:32 AM, David Aslin G3WGN wrote:
> It seems the current firmware will not allow me to use FSK on VFO A and PSK63 on VFO B.  The annual national contesting series in the UK has a monthly event that is RTTY + PSK.
> What is the status of any firmware change to allow digital mode per VFO on the K3?  Meantime are there any workarounds?
> 73
> David G3WGN  M6O  WJ6O
>
>
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 30 12:05:55 2015
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:05:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Lido Mount for the KX3
In-Reply-To: <CAHk01bCWYduWzbsmb3LZmN0zObkdAO0mwBwjPB5UJbX2JGQf7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1422637536.39206.YahooMailNeo@web181202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Joshua, I am Scott, I do not have experiance with this LIDO mount but I am making a mount that will use the RAM products with my base plate.  please visit www.gemsproducts.com for info.

73 Scott AK6Q



On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:09 PM, "Joshua Gould, K8WXA [via Elecraft]" <ml-node+s365791n7597614h68 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
 


Has anyone used the Lido Mount for the KX3?  I was curious to know if they 
had anything that I could adapt to fit the KX3 and low and behold, there 
was already one there... 

Here's a link if you don't know what I'm talking about: 
http://www.lidomounts.com/kx3mount.html

73, 
Joshua Gould 
K8WXA 
EM89pn 
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From andrewfaber at ymail.com  Fri Jan 30 12:06:38 2015
From: andrewfaber at ymail.com (Andrew Faber)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:06:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
In-Reply-To: <1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Yes, that was the problem when it happened to me.  It was a cable problem 
that was inadvertently closing the key in ("PA Key") input on the back of 
the KPA500.  Clearing that up restored normal operation.
73, andy ae6y
-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike K2MK
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 5:34 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue

Hi Barry,

There is an asterisk that appears on the left side of the KPA500 display
whenever the key out signal from your transmitter is present. You should not
see the asterisk when you are receiving. If you are then is it possible that
you are using the key out signal to operate some other device in addition to
the KPA500?

73,
Mike K2MK


Barry Simpson wrote
> My KPA500 has just developed an issue. Specifically when I switch it from
> Stby to Oper, the level of received signals drops by around 5 or 6 s
> points. It still transmits fine and there are no adverse SWR indications
> or
> loose co-ax plugs. It does the same on all bands. I switch back to Stby
> and
> the received signals return to normal.
>
> I seem to recall that someone else posted details of a similar such
> problem
> some time ago. Any suggestions would be helpful before I email the
> Elecraft
> hot line.
>
> Barry Simpson   VK2BJ





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From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 12:43:02 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:43:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA NB doesn't always start latest beta f/ware
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+Ki71jH6th9FTXsKR_4rykDk4zEDjUWM3fY=1jrjRyoTg@mail.gmail.com>

Using the just-released beta firmware I am finding that on switch on,
although the P3's NB is engaged the SVGA screen still shows pulses (in this
case from an electric fence).  Turning the NB off and then on via the P3's
menu restores functionality.  This is the case on every band I have tried.
No big deal, but sounds like a little bug to me.


73 Stephen G4SJP

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jan 30 12:54:27 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:54:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA NB doesn't always start latest beta f/ware
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+Ki71jH6th9FTXsKR_4rykDk4zEDjUWM3fY=1jrjRyoTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+Ki71jH6th9FTXsKR_4rykDk4zEDjUWM3fY=1jrjRyoTg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri,1/30/2015 9:43 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:
> Turning the NB off and then on via the P3's menu restores functionality.  This is the case on every band I have tried.

There are two menu functions associated with the P3 NB. One is the 
switch, the other is NB Level (or whatever it is called). If you're 
going to use the P3 NB, you need both on soft keys. First turn the NB 
on, then select NB Level and tweak it for best noise removal.

73, Jim K9YC

From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Jan 30 13:36:24 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:36:24 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 USB-->Serial Names OT, Kinda
In-Reply-To: <3D62D566-06B6-4891-8E41-EB73D32E13E4@comcast.net>
References: <D73FB724-110A-477B-B157-94D3D7E5C22E@me.com>
	<3D62D566-06B6-4891-8E41-EB73D32E13E4@comcast.net>
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Yep, both of ?em are there in the Device Manager. The K3 is Com1 (not connected to the Windoze guest) and the KX3 is COM3, which IS connected to Windoze. Unfortunately, neither of them show the nice human-friendly names as I?d hoped they would. And, Fusion?s name doesn?t help, either.  Clicking each of the two USB icons  on the Fusion toolbar simply shows ?Future Devices FT232R USB UART?. I knew that the KX3 is COM3, as I use LP Bridge and it shows the COM port the radio is connected to. Oh well, would have been nice to see the human names, but I guess the Microsoft folks didn?t think it was necessary. 

Thanks folks, 73


> On   Thursday, Jan 29, 2015, at  Thursday, 4:53 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L <nf4l at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> On the Windoze side, the ports will show up in Device Manager under Ports(Com & LPT) as COMx where x is some number. To figure out which is which, unplug one and see which COM goes away.
> If you don't have the Ports listing in Device Manager, WIn isn't seeing them. I run Win 7 under Parallels, and if I want to use the adapters in Windoze, I have to connect them in Parallels. They cannot be available to the Mac and Win at the same time. I have no idea about Fusion, it may work differently.
> 
> 73, Mike NF4L
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2015, at 11:31 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com <mailto:w6jhb at me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Looking for some help identifying the USB?>Serial adapter names on Windows 8.1. Here?s the situation: I have a KX3 and a K3. Each has it?s own USB?>Serial adapter from Elecraft. These USB guys plug into my iMac. I run the K3 on the Mac side of the machine, and the KX3 under VMWare Fusion and Windows 8.1 on ?the other side?. On the Mac side I use MacLogger DX (MLDX), FLDIGI, and WSJT-X. When I configure the radio connection, MLDX knows the ?names? of each adapter. the one for the K3 is A8003Ssu and the KX3?s adapter is A501XNHZ. On the Mac side, it is easy to determine which adapter is associated with which radio. 
>> 
>> However, on the Windows side, it is not an easy matter at all. Nowhere can I find any place where it shows the names of these two adapters. And the reason why it is a problem is thus: If the K3 is not ?connected? to either MLDX, or WSJT-X, or FLDIGI on the Mac side and I bring up Windows, I often get both adapters available to me under Fusion. If I attach the wrong one to my apps on the Windows side, things are ugly and take a while to correct.
>> 
>> Is there some way, either with Windows itself, or with VMWare Fusion to see these device names? 
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From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 13:44:17 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:44:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA NB doesn't always start latest beta f/ware
In-Reply-To: <54CBC553.6030108@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+Ki71jH6th9FTXsKR_4rykDk4zEDjUWM3fY=1jrjRyoTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54CBC553.6030108@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Hi Jim,

I can't have explained myself very well.  The NB is working (level 10) on
the P3 but on the VGA output the NB <on> state is not remembered on switch
off.  So if I turn the P3 off and then on again,  the NB works fine on the
P3's own display,  but to make it work on the external monitor I have to
turn the NB off then on again.  Reference to NB here is solely the P3.

Hope that makes sense.  I have been using the NB on the P3's screen for
some time now, but it is only the latest beta I think that extends this
functionality to the P3's VGA output, and that is the version I'm running.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 30 January 2015 at 17:54, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Fri,1/30/2015 9:43 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:
>
>> Turning the NB off and then on via the P3's menu restores functionality.
>> This is the case on every band I have tried.
>>
>
> There are two menu functions associated with the P3 NB. One is the switch,
> the other is NB Level (or whatever it is called). If you're going to use
> the P3 NB, you need both on soft keys. First turn the NB on, then select NB
> Level and tweak it for best noise removal.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From paul.barlow at upcmail.ie  Fri Jan 30 14:15:32 2015
From: paul.barlow at upcmail.ie (Paul Barlow)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>

Dear Elecrafters,

I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I have
a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower the
noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I see
that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
you guys might have with these and similar antennas.

73, Paul EI5KI




From w7aqk at cox.net  Fri Jan 30 14:21:53 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:21:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Ed Muns - W0YK
Message-ID: <D9E8B2D073924035B24B77797C4FC3E3@TDYDell>

Ken and all,

Forget about Ed's prowess in ham radio!  Let's talk about something really 
important--like those wines he makes, for example!!!  Just kidding!  Ed's 
accomplishments are almost legendary.

I don't know Ed personally, though, and I wasn't aware of his involvement in 
the wine industry.  When I read that I thought "this guy really has his 
priorities right"!  Hi.  I couldn't help but reminisce about another old ham 
friend of mine from some 40 years back--Em Brakensiek, WA6OCT. 
Unfortunately, I lost contact with Em when he had to move around and into 
assisted care facilities, but we used to talk almost daily.  I'm sure he is 
SK now, and probably has been for some time.  Anyway, Em was also a wine 
maker, but at the other end of the spectrum from Ed.  Em made his own stuff, 
and was only somewhat proud of it.  He also ran a gift shop/printing shop 
combination, and so he printed up his own "private brand" labels for his 
homebrewed wine.  Being a very self deprecating fellow, the name he chose 
was "Chateau Garbage' ", pronounced, of course, with a nice French flavor on 
the last syllable.  What a guy!  I miss him.

Dave W7AQK





From k2mk at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 14:32:19 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:32:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1422646339818-7597721.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Paul,

A lot of K3 owners are using the Pixel Technologies loop antenna. I'm
pleased with mine in comparison to my SteppIR vertical antenna on 80 and 40
meters. On 160 meters I have a relatively quiet dipole but I find the loop
beneficial when used with the K3 sub receiver as a diversity antenna.

The company has changed names and the old links for the antenna don't seem
to work anymore. This link seems ok.

https://inlogisinc.com/products/amateurham-radio-antennas/ham-amateur-radio-antennas

73,
Mike K2MK


Paul Barlow-2 wrote
> Dear Elecrafters,
> 
> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I
> have
> a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
> experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower
> the
> noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I
> see
> that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
> you guys might have with these and similar antennas.
> 
> 73, Paul EI5KI





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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 14:39:29 2015
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:39:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Ed Muns - W0YK
In-Reply-To: <D9E8B2D073924035B24B77797C4FC3E3@TDYDell>
References: <D9E8B2D073924035B24B77797C4FC3E3@TDYDell>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRUrqW3AtkS_4UAmGrsVOohK0QAFnS8WMQ2W93NNuV3n7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave!

No WA6OCT listed on QRZ.com ... FWIW.

Ed has several of Rose's cases that fasten together, back-to-back ... the
first of many she's made.  It was his idea.

She's mending after her chemotherapy and radiation treatments and expects
to be able to
get up the stairs to her sewing room soon.  She's not been able to climb
the stairs for about eight months.

73

Ken - K0PP

From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Fri Jan 30 15:27:20 2015
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:27:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS or possible swap: KAT100-1/KIO2
Message-ID: <201501301427.20909.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

This KAT100-1 came with the K2/10 I purchased a while back. I have decided 
that a KAT2 would work better for my operating style so I'm offering the 
KAT100/KIO2 here. As noted, I'd primarily be interested in a KAT2 as a 
trade-in toward the KAT100 but also would be open to outright sale or 
possibly swapping for other QRP rigs/items +/- cash. Email me with what you'd 
offer or for more info on what other items might be of interest.

The KAT100 purchaser gets first option on the KIO2. It will be available 
separately if not taken as part of a package with the KAT100.

More info and pics available on request.

TNX/73, Al

From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Jan 30 15:36:50 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:36:50 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9459DA99DE4446C7919101E8A759D1D7@DOUG1>

Paul,
    Try a K9AY for 40/80/160 or maybe a 5' x 5' passive magnetic loop for
160M.   Array solutions also make another variant on the K9AY which may be
superior - I do not know.    For the low band receive antennas can be a
considerable help and for 160M are a must if you want to hear on this band.

                 73 Doug EI2CN
PS I can not find you on QRZ.COM.   Where are you located?   I am in County
Louth four miles north of Drogheda.   Drop I for an eyeball if in the area.


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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Barlow
Sent: 30 January 2015 19:16
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna

Dear Elecrafters,

I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I have
a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower the
noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I see
that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
you guys might have with these and similar antennas.

73, Paul EI5KI



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From mcduffie at ag0n.net  Fri Jan 30 15:44:17 2015
From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (AG0N-3055)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:44:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
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> .... when I switch it from
> Stby to Oper, the level of received signals drops by around 5 or 6 s
> points. It still transmits fine and there are no adverse SWR indications or
> loose co-ax plugs. It does the same on all bands.

Sounds like bad PIN DIODE situation, but I'll let those who are more
expert at them take that on.

> I switch back to Stby and the received signals return to normal.

Just for reference, on six meters, using WSJT10 for FSK441 MS, I see one
db drop in my JT measured band (white) noise between the KPA STBY and
OPER modes.

Gary
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Jan 30 15:47:32 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Guernsey via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:47:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
Message-ID: <1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I live in a condo with pretty strict rules re antennas, etc. ?I am considering an Alexloop on a tripod on my balcony, Does anybody have any experience with this antenna? Any comments. I have a K3/10 that I operate at 5-10 watts PEP onSSB.Thanks?73 de Dave KJ6CBS

From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au  Fri Jan 30 16:32:19 2015
From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:32:19 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
In-Reply-To: <1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Good morning to those who responded to me on the Elecraft reflector. Here
is the interim outcome.

I did not mention that the problem arose after connecting my brand new
(yesterday) TS590SG to the KPA500.  The TS590SG has different linear
switching facilities from the TS590S in that there is now provision for
solid state switching to avoid a clicking relay. I was using the solid
state switching set up. I use the same set up with my TS990S and that works
perfectly with the KPA500.

I checked and resoldered the connecting cable and then I interchanged the
cable I use with the TS990S as the Din pin connections are identitical with
the TS590SG. The outcome was exactly the same with the loss of received
signals when the KPA500 is switched to Oper and the little asterisk appears
on the left side of the display. However, the set up still keys the KPA500
perfectly.

I then changed over to the TS990S and with that rig, the KPA500 works
perfectly with the solid state switching.

The conclusion is therefore that from an initial OK position in Stby and
Oper as soon as the first character is keyed, the solid state switch in the
TS590SG "hangs" resulting in the KPA500 being permanently in the transmit
state. The situation only clears when rig and amp are turned off, the Din
plug is removed from the TS590SG and reinserted and both are turned back
on. I can then switch the amp back to Oper and all is fine until the very
first morse character when it all happens again.  So as it stands, there
appears to be incompatibility between the TS590SG solid state amp switch
and KPA500.

As an interim measure, I have rewired the Din plug to use the noisy relay
for the amp control and that works fine. The TS590SG does output 12V to the
solid state switching pin in certain configurations as did the TS590S. I
had a TS590S and I wired a single transistor solid state switch inside the
Din plug and that worked perfectly so I am going to do the same again,
which should solve the issue. Unfortunately, I gave away the TS590S cable I
had made up to the guy I sold the TS590S to. I never got the very bad spike
issue fixed but the buyer did not mind as he doesn't use a linear.

It really is a pity as I thought that the new linear switching circuitry in
the TS590SG was a real step forward but it is not to be, at least not with
the KPA500.

For information and to avoid others having a similar head scratching issue,
I am copying this to the TS590 list as well. As a final point, I can
confirm that the TS590SG has no power spike issue whatsoever and the
average audio level in SSB seems much improved from the TS590S.

Once I have wired and implemented the transistor switch, I will report back
with the result.

73

Barry  VK2BJ

On 31 January 2015 at 00:34, Mike K2MK <k2mk at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Barry,
>
> There is an asterisk that appears on the left side of the KPA500 display
> whenever the key out signal from your transmitter is present. You should
> not
> see the asterisk when you are receiving. If you are then is it possible
> that
> you are using the key out signal to operate some other device in addition
> to
> the KPA500?
>
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
>
>
> Barry Simpson wrote
> > My KPA500 has just developed an issue. Specifically when I switch it from
> > Stby to Oper, the level of received signals drops by around 5 or 6 s
> > points. It still transmits fine and there are no adverse SWR indications
> > or
> > loose co-ax plugs. It does the same on all bands. I switch back to Stby
> > and
> > the received signals return to normal.
> >
> > I seem to recall that someone else posted details of a similar such
> > problem
> > some time ago. Any suggestions would be helpful before I email the
> > Elecraft
> > hot line.
> >
> > Barry Simpson   VK2BJ
>
>
>
>
>
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From k2mk at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 16:57:44 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:57:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8hE_7whVZMErGB09FRcqgM1pFOMbB+2-WO1c+OkqvH3XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CA+03d8hE_7whVZMErGB09FRcqgM1pFOMbB+2-WO1c+OkqvH3XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1422655064798-7597728.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Barry,

While your experience suggests that a transistor switch will probably save
the day I also wonder if the problem is the result of the absence or
presence of a pull-up resistor or perhaps a floating common connection
between the rig and amp. Maybe a resistor in the plug would help. I suppose
there is some way to check this out.

73,
Mike K2MK


Barry Simpson wrote
> .............partial quote from Barry..............
> The conclusion is therefore that from an initial OK position in Stby and
> Oper as soon as the first character is keyed, the solid state switch in
> the
> TS590SG "hangs" resulting in the KPA500 being permanently in the transmit
> state. The situation only clears when rig and amp are turned off, the Din
> plug is removed from the TS590SG and reinserted and both are turned back
> on. I can then switch the amp back to Oper and all is fine until the very
> first morse character when it all happens again.  So as it stands, there
> appears to be incompatibility between the TS590SG solid state amp switch
> and KPA500.
> 
> As an interim measure, I have rewired the Din plug to use the noisy relay
> for the amp control and that works fine. The TS590SG does output 12V to
> the
> solid state switching pin in certain configurations as did the TS590S. I
> had a TS590S and I wired a single transistor solid state switch inside the
> Din plug and that worked perfectly so I am going to do the same again,
> which should solve the issue. Unfortunately, I gave away the TS590S cable
> I
> had made up to the guy I sold the TS590S to. I never got the very bad
> spike
> issue fixed but the buyer did not mind as he doesn't use a linear.
> 
> It really is a pity as I thought that the new linear switching circuitry
> in
> the TS590SG was a real step forward but it is not to be, at least not with
> the KPA500.
> 
> 73
> Barry  VK2BJ





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From aj8mh-radio at charter.net  Fri Jan 30 17:15:34 2015
From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Issue
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8hE_7whVZMErGB09FRcqgM1pFOMbB+2-WO1c+OkqvH3XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+03d8i=5q823L-xuNrf2xxmCd1wCqZfX-YPq-hGoJfZB4t7kw@mail.gmail.com>	<1422624896255-7597710.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CA+03d8hE_7whVZMErGB09FRcqgM1pFOMbB+2-WO1c+OkqvH3XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CC0286.1020403@charter.net>

Looks like the Kenwood switches high during transmit and the KPA500 
requires a low for transmit. KPA500 specs in my manual say +5V max, open 
circuit on receive, closed to ground on transmit.  My old KPA500 manual 
doesn't show Kenwood interconnections.  Only the K3, Yaesu and Icom.

Yup, ya need to supply a low to the amp.

Joe ( AJ8MH )
http://webpages.charter.net/aj8mh-radio/




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 18:00:40 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 01:00:40 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
In-Reply-To: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1AC4D748-EB73-4C91-929D-48AF8B0A420E@gmail.com>

I'm using a Pixel Loop as a receiving antenna to supplement my main t/r antenna, which is an R8 vertical. The only 'garden' I have is a rooftop about 35 m above ground. The antenna is about 6 m from the vertical and definitely has a better s/n ratio. I use it on HF bands, sometimes by itself and sometimes for diversity reception with the K3's subreceiver. 
It isn't a panacea for noise problems but definitely helps. The diversity mode is also a big help despite the small separation between antennas. The Pixel Loop comes with a device that makes it possible to 'key' it along with the transmitter in order to protect the receiver. I am using this successfully with QSK at 1.2 kW output. The relay is noisy but fast enough at reasonable speeds. 

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP 

> On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie> wrote:
> 
> Dear Elecrafters,
> 
> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I have
> a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
> experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower the
> noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I see
> that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
> you guys might have with these and similar antennas.
> 
> 73, Paul EI5KI
> 
> 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan 30 18:29:02 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:29:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>
	<65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>

Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK, 
especially for someone just trying RTTY out for the first time.  If the 
sound card produces clean audio [pure sine wave sans noise], and most 
newer ones do these days, the result at RF is essentially the same, with 
less equipment.  The K3 also has a shaping filter when running AFSK that 
makes AFSK cleaner than FSK, or so I've read.

My "radio laptop" is a fairly new [1 yr] quad-core Acer running Windows 
7.  On the spectrum analyzer, any undesirable products other than the 
single tones are lost in the minuscule noise on the baseline.

There can be other reasons for running FSK with the extra interface 
equipment which usually offers other features beside FSK, but for 
someone just trying out RTTY, "less is definitely more."  There is a 
steady stream of traffic on this list from people trying to get 
MicroHam, SignalLink, or other interfaces working, so it's definitely 
not a piece of cake.  MMTTY is tough enough for a newbie.

The K3 does have a potential "gotcha" which is easy to avoid if you know 
about it.  The RF Power is controlled by a closed-loop ALC system.  The 
power knob sets the "requested" power, the loop then adjusts the drive 
to make that power.  Consequently, you cannot adjust the output power 
with the MIC/LINE IN front panel gain control.  Adjust the MIC/LINE IN 
control for 4 solid ALC bars with the 5th just flickering when sending 
idles [diddles].  Then set the desired power with the PWR knob.

There's almost no conversational RTTY anymore, it's pretty much all 
contesting.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/29/2015 5:15 PM, RIchard Williams wrote:
> Though AFSK will work, I think you will be a lot happier with using FSK.


From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 19:15:47 2015
From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:15:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] mono plug in stereo speaker jack
Message-ID: <CAC04G9gVNue4CNLdmdVW1j=ELbTgV0OXMGxARFu7=0UD6Uwjug@mail.gmail.com>

My brand new K3 kit came with a flyer warning not to use mono plug UNLESS
you disable the right channel amp. Otherwise it could be damaged.

You set SPKRS config entry to "1" to disable right channel amp.

I report, you decide.

73, chuck

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan 30 19:17:56 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:17:56 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
In-Reply-To: <1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54CC1F34.7070400@foothill.net>

I've had an Alex Loop for about 2 years now, it replaced my Buddipole 
[about the same cost].  You can build your own mag loop for a lot less 
than the Alex but I wanted the cool carry case and had the $$ from the 
BP sale. :-))  I use the loop when activating a SOTA summit and general 
field operating, usually with my K2/10.

My Alex easily works as well or discernibly better than the BP ever did. 
  It is very narrow BW, and tuning it on 40 requires a steady hand and 
care.  It's less touchy on 30 and just fine on 20 and up.

I have mine on a light-weight tripod I found at Home Depot with a Rain 
Bird sprinkler on top.  I cut 9 inch piece of 1/2" gray PVC nipple with 
threads on one end and screw it into the tripod.  The hollow Alex handle 
fits down over the PVC.  I finally filed some shallow slots in the PVC 
to keep things stable in wind.

I set up next to the tripod and can reach up and tune the loop with one 
hand.  There is one gotcha with loops like this:  It is a resonant 
transformer.  At resonance, your SWR will be 1:1 and you'll make Q's. 
If you "get it close" with the knob and then let the ATU [if you have 
it] match it, you will have created a very well shielded dummy load and 
you'll make no Q's.  So, bypass the ATU and get 1:1 with the little knob 
on the capacitor.  You can't QSY more than maybe 5 KHz on 40 without 
tweaking the capacitor.  BW gets larger on 20 and up.

It is mildly bi-directional in the plane of the loop but the lobes are 
quite broad.  There are two very sharp, fairly deep nulls orthogonal to 
the loop plane which can sometimes help reduce noise or QRM.  It is 
essentially insensitive to ground, and doesn't really care how high it 
is, a tremendous advantage in the field over E-field antennas.

Pay attention to the power limits.  Because it is resonant and small in 
terms of electrical degrees, RF voltages can get quite high.  It's 
definitely a QRP antenna.

Hope this helps,

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/30/2015 12:47 PM, David Guernsey via Elecraft wrote:
> I live in a condo with pretty strict rules re antennas, etc.  I am
> considering an Alexloop on a tripod on my balcony, Does anybody have
> any experience with this antenna? Any comments. I have a K3/10 that I
> operate at 5-10 watts PEP onSSB.Thanks 73 de Dave KJ6CBS


From mundschenk55 at msn.com  Fri Jan 30 19:18:21 2015
From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (mundschenk55)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
Message-ID: <BAY407-EAS26312E5FBB271A6E87B033ACF3E0@phx.gbl>

I have used Andy's (Wellbrooks) antennas commercially for receiving MW and they are excellent! You will see one of the installations on the web site.
Russ KD4JO


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


-------- Original message --------
From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
Date:01/30/2015  6:01 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie>
Cc: "<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna

I'm using a Pixel Loop as a receiving antenna to supplement my main t/r antenna, which is an R8 vertical. The only 'garden' I have is a rooftop about 35 m above ground. The antenna is about 6 m from the vertical and definitely has a better s/n ratio. I use it on HF bands, sometimes by itself and sometimes for diversity reception with the K3's subreceiver.
It isn't a panacea for noise problems but definitely helps. The diversity mode is also a big help despite the small separation between antennas. The Pixel Loop comes with a device that makes it possible to 'key' it along with the transmitter in order to protect the receiver. I am using this successfully with QSK at 1.2 kW output. The relay is noisy but fast enough at reasonable speeds.

Vic K2VCO /4X6GP

> On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie> wrote:
>
> Dear Elecrafters,
>
> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I have
> a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
> experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower the
> noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I see
> that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
> you guys might have with these and similar antennas.
>
> 73, Paul EI5KI
>
>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 30 19:30:53 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:30:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>	<65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>
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On 2015-01-30 6:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK,
> especially for someone just trying RTTY out for the first time. If
> the sound card produces clean audio [pure sine wave sans noise], and
> most newer ones do these days, the result at RF is essentially the
> same, with less equipment.

That *ASS-U-MEs* that the person hooking up and configuring the AFSK
knows what they are doing.  Given the number to particularly gross
AFSK signals on the air today, that assumption is not a good one.

The manufacturer of one "inexpensive" amateur sound interface even
instructs its users to run the Windows sliders at maximum (it needs
that because its internal VOX is not sensitive enough otherwise) but
that drives the poorly filtered and unregulated DAC into distortion.
Couple that with improper grounding and overdriving mic preamps in
many rigs and you have a recipe for garbage - before even considering
all the "windows noises", streaming audio, and open mic stuff that
gets on the air ... none of which happen with FSK.

While it may be true that a proper AFSK signal is cleaner than FSK in
many rigs (the K3 FSK is exceptionally clean - as clean as the filtered
AFSK), it takes very little to make AFSK absolute garbage - most users
can't mess up FSK any more than the manufacturer's design.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-30 6:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK,
> especially for someone just trying RTTY out for the first time.  If the
> sound card produces clean audio [pure sine wave sans noise], and most
> newer ones do these days, the result at RF is essentially the same, with
> less equipment.  The K3 also has a shaping filter when running AFSK that
> makes AFSK cleaner than FSK, or so I've read.
>
> My "radio laptop" is a fairly new [1 yr] quad-core Acer running Windows
> 7.  On the spectrum analyzer, any undesirable products other than the
> single tones are lost in the minuscule noise on the baseline.
>
> There can be other reasons for running FSK with the extra interface
> equipment which usually offers other features beside FSK, but for
> someone just trying out RTTY, "less is definitely more."  There is a
> steady stream of traffic on this list from people trying to get
> MicroHam, SignalLink, or other interfaces working, so it's definitely
> not a piece of cake.  MMTTY is tough enough for a newbie.
>
> The K3 does have a potential "gotcha" which is easy to avoid if you know
> about it.  The RF Power is controlled by a closed-loop ALC system.  The
> power knob sets the "requested" power, the loop then adjusts the drive
> to make that power.  Consequently, you cannot adjust the output power
> with the MIC/LINE IN front panel gain control.  Adjust the MIC/LINE IN
> control for 4 solid ALC bars with the 5th just flickering when sending
> idles [diddles].  Then set the desired power with the PWR knob.
>
> There's almost no conversational RTTY anymore, it's pretty much all
> contesting.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 1/29/2015 5:15 PM, RIchard Williams wrote:
>> Though AFSK will work, I think you will be a lot happier with using FSK.
>
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 21:34:05 2015
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:34:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK....
>
> For those who believe that FSK has some advantage over AFSK for purity
signal or some other reason, K0SM has posted a detailed web page showing
the spectra of signals generated by both, using various transmitter
adjustments. Check it out at:

http://www.frontiernet.net/~aflowers/k3rtty/k3rtty.html

This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research and
how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about setting up
your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a lot better than
relying on conventional wisdom.

73, Tony KT0NY

From lists at subich.com  Fri Jan 30 22:19:57 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 22:19:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmMSCji5Hg4mc8Ry5H38ti708DYH=imVihgHYf806cEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>	<65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>
	<CACHwrmMSCji5Hg4mc8Ry5H38ti708DYH=imVihgHYf806cEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CC49DD.4080800@subich.com>


> This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research
> and how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about
> setting up your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a
> lot better than relying on conventional wisdom.

Unfortunately, K0SM's paper has flaws in its premise that render the
conclusions hardly persuasive.

1) the FSK measurements were made with the *original* K3 FSK generator
not the most recent shaped FSK.  Even though the original K3 FSK was
better than most, the current DSP implementation is much better and
provides FSK indistinguishable from the filtered AFSK.

2) the AFSK measurements were made using Line In and did not include
effects common to overdriving the microphone preamp as happens in
many rigs.

3) in the K3, AFSK_A disables mic compression and RF clipping.  That
is not the case in other transceivers operated in SSB mode.  The mic
compression and RF clipping is one source of AFSK distortion and
harmonic generation.

4) the AFSK measurements were made with the K3's AFSK TX filter in
line.  That filter removes substantially all the hum and distortion
present in other transceivers when the ground (audio) return is open,
the sound card DAC is driven into the distortion producing range
(typical at output levels greater than 60%), and/or the mic preamp is
being overdriven.  Andy's tests with all knobs full bore proved that
the K3 is capable of cleaning up signals that would be a disaster with
many other rigs.

5) The K3 does not use a "closed loop" ALC which generates overshoot
and "pumping" distortion.  Again, these effects are common on other
manufacturer's transceivers and are often responsible for a high
preponderance of the "clicks" in both FSK and AFSK signals from those
transceivers.

I have off the air spectrum captures of W1AW with their top of the
line Icom rigs and professional operators that show *all* of the
issues of overdrive, loss of signal return and ALC effects even when
driven by supposedly "clean" AFSK signals from fldigi.  Again, AFSK
requires far more operator attention to "signal hygiene" than does FSK
if the result is to be acceptable (that is, unless one is using a K3).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-01-30 9:34 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>
>> Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK....
>>
>> For those who believe that FSK has some advantage over AFSK for purity
> signal or some other reason, K0SM has posted a detailed web page showing
> the spectra of signals generated by both, using various transmitter
> adjustments. Check it out at:
>
> http://www.frontiernet.net/~aflowers/k3rtty/k3rtty.html
>
> This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research and
> how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about setting up
> your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a lot better than
> relying on conventional wisdom.
>
> 73, Tony KT0NY
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jan 30 23:17:28 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:17:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <54CC49DD.4080800@subich.com>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>	<65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>	<CACHwrmMSCji5Hg4mc8Ry5H38ti708DYH=imVihgHYf806cEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54CC49DD.4080800@subich.com>
Message-ID: <54CC5758.3040100@foothill.net>

Items, questions, and requests do tend to morph on this list.  While I 
don't disagree with your reply, please keep in mind ... the original 
request was from someone who wanted to try RTTY for the first time, and 
that's where my reply was directed.  I wanted to make it as easy as 
possible for him, and unquestionably, two steero cables and AFSK is 
that.  With a K3, that will work, and won't clobber folks near him

He may choose other methods or indeed modes, all he seemed to want was 
initial advice.  You're not wrong, you rarely if ever are, but the 
information may be misplaced in this case.  He just wanted to get started.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 1/30/2015 7:19 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research
>> and how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about
>> setting up your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a
>> lot better than relying on conventional wisdom.
>
> Unfortunately, K0SM's paper has flaws in its premise that render the
> conclusions hardly persuasive.
>
> 1) the FSK measurements were made with the *original* K3 FSK generator
> not the most recent shaped FSK.  Even though the original K3 FSK was
> better than most, the current DSP implementation is much better and
> provides FSK indistinguishable from the filtered AFSK.
>
> 2) the AFSK measurements were made using Line In and did not include
> effects common to overdriving the microphone preamp as happens in
> many rigs.
>
> 3) in the K3, AFSK_A disables mic compression and RF clipping.  That
> is not the case in other transceivers operated in SSB mode.  The mic
> compression and RF clipping is one source of AFSK distortion and
> harmonic generation.
>
> 4) the AFSK measurements were made with the K3's AFSK TX filter in
> line.  That filter removes substantially all the hum and distortion
> present in other transceivers when the ground (audio) return is open,
> the sound card DAC is driven into the distortion producing range
> (typical at output levels greater than 60%), and/or the mic preamp is
> being overdriven.  Andy's tests with all knobs full bore proved that
> the K3 is capable of cleaning up signals that would be a disaster with
> many other rigs.
>
> 5) The K3 does not use a "closed loop" ALC which generates overshoot
> and "pumping" distortion.  Again, these effects are common on other
> manufacturer's transceivers and are often responsible for a high
> preponderance of the "clicks" in both FSK and AFSK signals from those
> transceivers.
>
> I have off the air spectrum captures of W1AW with their top of the
> line Icom rigs and professional operators that show *all* of the
> issues of overdrive, loss of signal return and ALC effects even when
> driven by supposedly "clean" AFSK signals from fldigi.  Again, AFSK
> requires far more operator attention to "signal hygiene" than does FSK
> if the result is to be acceptable (that is, unless one is using a K3).
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2015-01-30 9:34 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ummmm ... I've never understood the infatuation with FSK over AFSK....
>>>
>>> For those who believe that FSK has some advantage over AFSK for purity
>> signal or some other reason, K0SM has posted a detailed web page showing
>> the spectra of signals generated by both, using various transmitter
>> adjustments. Check it out at:
>>
>> http://www.frontiernet.net/~aflowers/k3rtty/k3rtty.html
>>
>> This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research and
>> how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about setting up
>> your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a lot better than
>> relying on conventional wisdom.
>>
>> 73, Tony KT0NY
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From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au  Sat Jan 31 01:15:56 2015
From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:15:56 +1100
Subject: [Elecraft] Issues with TS590SG and KPA500 - the outcome
Message-ID: <CA+03d8g62WtVZJeBsP43QjtLHEJjzd630urXguH6DvwdWaaodg@mail.gmail.com>

I have already posted details of the issues I have experienced trying to
interface my brand new TS590SG with my KPA500.

The TS590SG has different linear amplifier switching arrangements from the
TS590S and these mimic the TS990. Specifically Menu 59  #4 provides solid
state grounding via pin 7 of the remote connector for switching linears. I
use this method with my TS990 and it works fine. However, it does not work
with the TS590SG and the KPA500 goes into the transmit state permanently
once it is put into the operate position.

The relay switching Menu 59 #2 works very well but it is noisy.

Feedback I have received suggested that I try a diode in series with the
keying line. I tried it but absolutely no difference. Another suggestion
was a pull up resistor but I wasn't sure what to install and where.

Clearly in its original state, the solid state switching is incompatible
with the KPA500.

I have now reverted to the method I used with my earlier TS590S which is a
single transistor switch - a 2N3904 and a 2.2K resistor squeezed into the
shell of the Din plug. The connection to the TS590SG is via Pin 7 and the
setting is #1 which provides +12v on transmit which is what the TS590S also
does.

Suffice to say that this solution works perfectly and silence now reigns
again.

Hopefully either Kenwood or Elecraft will devise a simple solution to the
problem in due course.

Just an update which others may find of some help.

Barry Simpson  VK2BJ

From wes at triconet.org  Sat Jan 31 01:35:09 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:35:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and RTTY
In-Reply-To: <54CC49DD.4080800@subich.com>
References: <54CACFD5.5040508@foothill.net>	<65743611.61307.1422580518137.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<54CC13BE.2070402@foothill.net>	<CACHwrmMSCji5Hg4mc8Ry5H38ti708DYH=imVihgHYf806cEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54CC49DD.4080800@subich.com>
Message-ID: <54CC779D.10303@triconet.org>

Well, since the subject is "K3 and RTTY", isn't it fairly safe to assume that a 
K3 would be in this picture?  If so, then AFSK is, IMHO, the simplest method and 
you agree that it "is acceptable."

Wes  N7WS



On 1/30/2015 8:19 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> This page has many virtues. It shows how to do a nice job of research
>> and how to document it for the reader; it offers useful info about
>> setting up your RTTY station; and it provides hard data, which is a
>> lot better than relying on conventional wisdom.
>
> Unfortunately, K0SM's paper has flaws in its premise that render the
> conclusions hardly persuasive.
>
> 1) the FSK measurements were made with the *original* K3 FSK generator
> not the most recent shaped FSK.  Even though the original K3 FSK was
> better than most, the current DSP implementation is much better and
> provides FSK indistinguishable from the filtered AFSK.
>
> 2) the AFSK measurements were made using Line In and did not include
> effects common to overdriving the microphone preamp as happens in
> many rigs.
>
> 3) in the K3, AFSK_A disables mic compression and RF clipping. That
> is not the case in other transceivers operated in SSB mode.  The mic
> compression and RF clipping is one source of AFSK distortion and
> harmonic generation.
>
> 4) the AFSK measurements were made with the K3's AFSK TX filter in
> line.  That filter removes substantially all the hum and distortion
> present in other transceivers when the ground (audio) return is open,
> the sound card DAC is driven into the distortion producing range
> (typical at output levels greater than 60%), and/or the mic preamp is
> being overdriven.  Andy's tests with all knobs full bore proved that
> the K3 is capable of cleaning up signals that would be a disaster with
> many other rigs.
>
> 5) The K3 does not use a "closed loop" ALC which generates overshoot
> and "pumping" distortion.  Again, these effects are common on other
> manufacturer's transceivers and are often responsible for a high
> preponderance of the "clicks" in both FSK and AFSK signals from those
> transceivers.
>
> I have off the air spectrum captures of W1AW with their top of the
> line Icom rigs and professional operators that show *all* of the
> issues of overdrive, loss of signal return and ALC effects even when
> driven by supposedly "clean" AFSK signals from fldigi.  Again, AFSK
> requires far more operator attention to "signal hygiene" than does FSK
> if the result is to be acceptable (that is, unless one is using a K3).
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>


From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 09:11:35 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:11:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [Crosspost] [OT] KX3 Plus Accessories For Sale
Message-ID: <E9D822BF-4479-4864-AFD4-4606FA26F30D@gmail.com>

Okay folks. I have had this KX3 for a bit over two years and I have never done with it what I hoped - take it out and about. It has been to the field (other than the backyard) one time. I?ve taken it to the backyard a couple of times and to a couple of club meetings. I used this radio exclusively during September 2014 from my desk just to see how it worked as a base rig (instead of my K3 which I?m keeping). I just don?t have time to do what I wanted with this radio. Taking it with me on vacations is a no-go as no one else in my family is a ham with HF privileges and they don?t like to talk. So, I am offering it for sale.

Please respond privately to keep the list traffic down.

Here?s what I have:

1 ea. Elecraft KX3(K), SN 14xx. This radio includes the following:
	KXAT3 internal tuner
	KXBC3 internal NiMH charger and real-time clock
	KXFL3 dual passband roofing filter
	MH3 hand mic
	KXSER serial cable
	Owner?s Manual (Rev B4, June 1, 2012
	Kit Assembly Manual (Rev D1, August 7, 2012) and Errata (Rev C3-1, August 13, 2012)
	KXAT3 Install Instructions (Rev A, June 11, 2012)
	KXFL3 Install and Calibration Instructions (Rev A2, June 14, 2012) and Errata (Rev A2-2, July 5, 2012)
	KXBC3 Install Instructions (Rev A, Sept 28, 2012) and Errata (Rev A-1, Oct 4, 2012)

In addition to the above, I also have the following accessories:

1 ea. Begali Adventure Mono, SN 026 w/ magnetic base and KX3 mount (no callsign on key)

1 ea. Pelican 1450 ?pluck? foam case pre-plucked for KX3 and some field accessories

4 ea. Pomona 1296 BNC-to-binding post connectors

1 ea. BNC-to-BNC male adapter

2 ea. BNC(m)-to-BNC(f) right-angle adapters

2 ea. BNC(m)-to-SO239 adapters

2 ea. SO239 barrels

1 ea. BNC(f)-to-PL259 adapter

1 ea. SLUSB cable set (mic and speaker). The mic cable was modified at the RJ45 end to accept the same pinout as the K3 on the SLUSB

2 ea. 3.5mm stereo cables. On each one, one end is terminated in a right-angle stereo plug and the other end is terminated in a stereo jack

1 ea. KX3 power cable terminated with PowerPole connector

1 ea. ~5? section of RG-8X. One end terminated in BNC(m) and the other end terminated in PL-259

1 ea. ~25? section of RG-8X terminated as above

1 ea. LNR Precision EF-10/20/40 MKII EFHWA antenna

1 ea. Nifty EZ-Stand for KX3

1 ea. Oak Hills Research WM-2 QRP HF Wattmeter w/ power cord terminated with PowerPole connector

I would like to sell all of this as one package. Total package price is $1500 plus shipping (your choice of carrier) and insurance (insurance will be your choice). I will take a Postal Money Order or PayPal (but you will have to pay the PayPal fee). Shipping would be from my home address as listed on QRZ.com

73,
Joel - W4JBB



From pjalley at me.com  Sat Jan 31 09:37:34 2015
From: pjalley at me.com (Philip Alley)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
Message-ID: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>

I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?

Tnx
Phil
AAA2EA
Louisville KY

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From david at aslinvc.com  Sat Jan 31 09:48:27 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:48:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
Message-ID: <5a61311f9b64431a8bd461343594e697@SEHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

Absolutely not Phil.  No change in operating convenience in exchange for some added protection in the back-pack - and it looks cool too :-)
Usual disclaimer: no connection of any kind with the maker, just a very satisfied customer.
73
David G3WGN  M6O

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Philip Alley
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 2:38 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX

I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?

Tnx
Phil
AAA2EA
Louisville KY

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Jan 31 10:43:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
Message-ID: <54CCF81D.4040605@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

It all depends on how you depress the buttons - which fingers you use 
and what angle your fingers use to 'attack' the buttons.

Try a quick test - find boxes or books that are bout 3/4 inch above the 
front panel of the KX3 and set them at the ends of the enclosure.   Do 
you find it awkward to operate the buttons or not?

I personally find it difficult to operate the two pushbuttons used for 
power on/off, so I do not have the Side KX on mine.
However, the protection that Side KX offers for travel may trump any 
slight difficulties one may have operating the buttons.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/31/2015 9:37 AM, Philip Alley wrote:
> I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?
>


From n5lz at comcast.net  Sat Jan 31 10:54:01 2015
From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 08:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
Message-ID: <000901d03d6e$22240ff0$666c2fd0$@comcast.net>

It has never been an issue for me

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Philip
Alley
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 7:38 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX

I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am
concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the
left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?

Tnx
Phil
AAA2EA
Louisville KY

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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 31 11:25:48 2015
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:25:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
Message-ID: <1422721353.17845.YahooMailNeo@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Philip,   I am Scott and I make the SIde KX.   Please keep in mind there are holes in each end that allow finger access from the side to power on/off.  I am very left handed and I have no issues with any of the buttons.  I have had some complain that they feel it restricts their button pressing with my end on the radio... but as some others have said the protection offered trumps the minor learning curve of how to press the button(s) with the end panels on.

If you are getting both the KX3 and a PX3 Just can't imagine chancing something happening to those displays should it get knocked over or worse fall to the ground/floor with out any protection. I take both the KX3 and the PX3 to the field often and I have no issues just putting them in my backpack and going, knowing all is protected for the trip.


73 Scott AK6q



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I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue? 

Tnx 
Phil 
AAA2EA 
Louisville KY 

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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jan 31 11:33:15 2015
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:33:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
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Phil . . .

A moment's reflection would lead one to believe the manufacturer would 
have had that concern long before you did.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 1/31/2015 8:37 AM, Philip Alley wrote:
> I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?
>
> Tnx
> Phil
> AAA2EA
> Louisville KY
>
>


From elecraft at g4fre.com  Sat Jan 31 11:39:56 2015
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:39:56 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
In-Reply-To: <mailman.413.1422719020.6812.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.413.1422719020.6812.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <001a01d03d74$8cb24b60$a616e220$@com>

Mine worked well on my apartment balcony in dallas with the KX3. Just be
prepared that you will need to get at it to be able to retune it; it is very
sharp

Dave

G4fre


from: David Guernsey via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
Message-ID:
	<1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I live in a condo with pretty strict rules re antennas, etc. ?I am
considering an Alexloop on a tripod on my balcony, Does anybody have any
experience with this antenna? Any comments. I have a K3/10 that I operate at
5-10 watts PEP onSSB.Thanks?73 de Dave KJ6CBS



From bob at hogbytes.com  Sat Jan 31 11:41:56 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:41:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
Message-ID: <1422722516829-7597749.post@n2.nabble.com>

I held off buying them for a while for the same reason, but taking the KX3 to
the field without them concerned me more.  I have the Side KX on both my KX3
and my PX3 and have had no problems getting used to operating the buttons
with them installed. 



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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 11:55:13 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:55:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <54CD03CB.8030907@socket.net>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
	<54CD03CB.8030907@socket.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTODuw9NZT7a6iv+0LMtn8psNwmnG30erMSUVQbBpERkJw@mail.gmail.com>

I have no issues with Scott's end plates ... and covers ... on both my KX3
and PX3.

73

Ken - K0PP

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 12:08:11 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:08:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
In-Reply-To: <001a01d03d74$8cb24b60$a616e220$@com>
References: <mailman.413.1422719020.6812.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<001a01d03d74$8cb24b60$a616e220$@com>
Message-ID: <E6879114-B8BC-4870-9AD6-797BF697C4C9@gmail.com>

The Alexloop is a very good antenna.
Keep your power under 20 watts.
I have used it with a KX3, a 703 and an 857 turned to 20 watts.
Amazing antenna.
I have tried it on a lawn chair? on a balcony and got amazing results.
Keep in mind that every time you transmit, remember to retune before though.  Even 10 kHz?.
Frank KG9H

On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:39 AM, Dave <elecraft at g4fre.com> wrote:

> Mine worked well on my apartment balcony in dallas with the KX3. Just be
> prepared that you will need to get at it to be able to retune it; it is very
> sharp
> 
> Dave
> 
> G4fre
> 
> 
> from: David Guernsey via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
> Message-ID:
> 	<1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> I live in a condo with pretty strict rules re antennas, etc. ?I am
> considering an Alexloop on a tripod on my balcony, Does anybody have any
> experience with this antenna? Any comments. I have a K3/10 that I operate at
> 5-10 watts PEP onSSB.Thanks?73 de Dave KJ6CBS
> 
> 
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From K2TK at att.net  Sat Jan 31 12:41:15 2015
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:41:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <54CCF81D.4040605@embarqmail.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>
	<54CCF81D.4040605@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CD13BB.1070107@att.net>

In addition to fingers it is also handed.  Either way the difference is SLIGHT.

I'm a lefty so the side plate is VERY SLIGHTLY in the way only for the two 
button turn on and I turn it on with the right hand. Once on any finger works 
well for any button push.

My summary is that if you want the side plates and cover for the protection then 
go for it, access is not an issue.

73,
Bob
K2TK   ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 1/31/2015 10:43 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Phil,
>
> It all depends on how you depress the buttons - which fingers you use and what
> angle your fingers use to 'attack' the buttons.
>
> Try a quick test - find boxes or books that are bout 3/4 inch above the front
> panel of the KX3 and set them at the ends of the enclosure.   Do you find it
> awkward to operate the buttons or not?
>
> I personally find it difficult to operate the two pushbuttons used for power
> on/off, so I do not have the Side KX on mine.
> However, the protection that Side KX offers for travel may trump any slight
> difficulties one may have operating the buttons.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 1/31/2015 9:37 AM, Philip Alley wrote:
>> I am considering acquiring Side KX for my KX3 and potential PX3. I am
>> concerned that the sides might restrict access to the small buttons on the
>> left and right edges of the radio. Is it an issue?



From mbabineau at magma.ca  Sat Jan 31 13:06:33 2015
From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
Message-ID: <5249B61F-7770-494D-AD49-477EC1193CEE@magma.ca>

Dave : 

I have an AlexLoop on its way from Brazil via Express Mail.  You can also order them from W4RT or GigaParts, both are 
US dealers for Alex Loop.  

I finally decided to order one because I wanted an antenna that is ultra-portable, deploys quickly (5 minutes) and travels easily without
taking up too much space in luggage when travelling by air. If you want to see one in action go to YouTube and search
on AlexLoop and you will find a number of videos. 

Generally speaking this antenna works extremely well from 20m to 10m and on 30m and 40m it is a bit of a compromise. 
Apparently Alex is now working on an add-on that allows for remote tuning of the loop. At the moment it is manual tune only. 

BTW I also have a MFJ-1786 (30m to 10m) at home and it works very well and has a control box that allows for remote tuning.
You might want to look at the MFJ if you intend to put up the loop as a permanent installation as it might be more convenient.
The performance of the MFJ is somewhat better than the AlexLoop as it uses a fairly large (> 1 inch) diameter aluminum tube that is 
welded to the butterfly capacitor.  

Cheers 

Michael VE3WMB - ( K1/KX1/K2 ) 

From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 13:59:35 2015
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (Jim GM)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:59:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Hot KXPA100 Amplifier
Message-ID: <CAD+2GyuHrF1YK3LYWCoW6k=4+vNo5r9p5VdTqnxmMFaw_=80pA@mail.gmail.com>

Durring the last month of the ARRL Centennial QSO Party I was behind on
points to get into the top tire. So I finally turned on the amp and started
calling CQ on 20 -10 Meters. I noticed the the amp was getting hot and
finally tripped out on high heat. cooling fan helped but not as well as I
hoped.

I also noticed that the amp ATU would start to re tune on my transmit
frequency more than I would like. I finally tracked down the issue and came
up with a solution.

RF was coming back on the RF output cable between the KX3 and KXPA100. Some
RF was also coming back on the other cables as well.

I installed some of those DX Engineering clamp on choke cores. I bundled
the inter-connecting cables and put 3 of those cores around those cables. I
separated the RF output cable from the bundle, and took one clamp on core
and wrapped one turn  close to the amp. Took care of my problem and the amp
ran as cold as a cumber in the frig.

COMMON MODE CHOKE POWER !!!  :-)

-- 
Jim K9TF

From benny.aumala at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 14:36:09 2015
From: benny.aumala at gmail.com (Benny Aumala)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:36:09 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
Message-ID: <54CD2EA9.8080704@gmail.com>

Small large band RX loops are commercially available, but freight
costs makes them prohibitive expensive.
You may approach it with kits, too.
Look for VNorton here:

http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Categories/%22DL-QRP-AG%20Baus%C3%A4tze%22/Aktiv-Antenne

and another interesting:

http://active-antenna.eu/

Both let you to make loop yourself.

This is good for RX as it is broadband.
TX antenna for limited space is Small Magnetic Loop.
Big disadvanage is tunable small bandwidh. Even this can be made
automatic to follow VFO:
  https://sites.google.com/site/lofturj/

Benny   OH9NB


From mcb2179 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 14:43:25 2015
From: mcb2179 at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:43:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
In-Reply-To: <54CD2EA9.8080704@gmail.com>
References: <54CD2EA9.8080704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADa2mvhjtba-T1Dvp55+5sWjntsnvNWcGQNNVw=gX_9MQ1swOA@mail.gmail.com>

Depending on the size of your lot you could also try a very short beverage
antenna.  I use a 160 foot unterminated wire through a 6:1 binocular core
transformer and feed it with 75 ohm coax.  It is up about 4 feet off the
ground.  It works surprisingly well on 20 through 10 meters.  It's
performance is marginal on 30 and 40 but sometimes it helps with band
noise.  It may as well be a dead short on 80.  It is not ideal in any case,
but it was cheap and has helped with my horrible power line RFI problem.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Benny Aumala <benny.aumala at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Small large band RX loops are commercially available, but freight
> costs makes them prohibitive expensive.
> You may approach it with kits, too.
> Look for VNorton here:
>
> http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?
> ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Categories/%22DL-QRP-AG%
> 20Baus%C3%A4tze%22/Aktiv-Antenne
>
> and another interesting:
>
> http://active-antenna.eu/
>
> Both let you to make loop yourself.
>
> This is good for RX as it is broadband.
> TX antenna for limited space is Small Magnetic Loop.
> Big disadvanage is tunable small bandwidh. Even this can be made
> automatic to follow VFO:
>  https://sites.google.com/site/lofturj/
>
> Benny   OH9NB
>
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Sat Jan 31 14:51:22 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:51:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Hot KXPA100 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <CAD+2GyuHrF1YK3LYWCoW6k=4+vNo5r9p5VdTqnxmMFaw_=80pA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+2GyuHrF1YK3LYWCoW6k=4+vNo5r9p5VdTqnxmMFaw_=80pA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB14FD06-A54B-4B81-A7D6-34B544CB759C@me.com>

Would second all of this fine advice. I run the KX3 + PX3 + KAT100 into an Ameritron ALS-600S. And those clamp on chokes are essential. Using them liberally, and also making sure all the control mini-cables come no where close to the high-power coax outputs or the output from the KX3. Tidy things up nicely. Keeps the RF going where it should go.

David A., KC0XT

> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Jim GM <jim.gmforum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Durring the last month of the ARRL Centennial QSO Party I was behind on
> points to get into the top tire. So I finally turned on the amp and started
> calling CQ on 20 -10 Meters. I noticed the the amp was getting hot and
> finally tripped out on high heat. cooling fan helped but not as well as I
> hoped.
> 
> I also noticed that the amp ATU would start to re tune on my transmit
> frequency more than I would like. I finally tracked down the issue and came
> up with a solution.
> 
> RF was coming back on the RF output cable between the KX3 and KXPA100. Some
> RF was also coming back on the other cables as well.
> 
> I installed some of those DX Engineering clamp on choke cores. I bundled
> the inter-connecting cables and put 3 of those cores around those cables. I
> separated the RF output cable from the bundle, and took one clamp on core
> and wrapped one turn  close to the amp. Took care of my problem and the amp
> ran as cold as a cumber in the frig.
> 
> COMMON MODE CHOKE POWER !!!  :-)
> 
> -- 
> Jim K9TF
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From heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch  Sat Jan 31 15:19:58 2015
From: heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch (Heinz Baertschi)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:19:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 WTB KXB30 30-meter adapter (discontinued)
Message-ID: <1422735598982-7597758.post@n2.nabble.com>

If anyone has a KXB30 30-meter adapter in kit form, I'd be interested in
purchasing it.
Please contact me off list.

Heinz
HB9BCB




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From wjubbels at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 15:27:54 2015
From: wjubbels at gmail.com (Wouter Jan Ubbels)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:27:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41
In-Reply-To: <mailman.413.1422719020.6812.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.413.1422719020.6812.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CABmbpx5Eua5tP7HY37Bnr45Gx4eh_FHVuJD2Knn=SUBG1_dvUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna.
See

http://active-antenna.eu/

It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it plays
very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy QTH. The unit
is of high quality, and very well documented.
I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed relays
for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from the ACC2
jack.

73,

Wouter Jan PE4WJ



> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000
> From: Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
> Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear Elecrafters,
>
> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. I
> have
> a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if anyone had
> experience of using active loop antennas as receiving antennas to lower the
> noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's Website this afternoon, and I see
> that their loops get good reviews on EHam. I was wondering what experience
> you guys might have with these and similar antennas.
>
> 73, Paul EI5KI
>
>
>

From d.palmer at btinternet.com  Sat Jan 31 15:54:46 2015
From: d.palmer at btinternet.com (Don Palmer)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:54:46 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 wanted
Message-ID: <005401d03d98$25b92b80$712b8280$@palmer@btinternet.com>

Hi looking for a second hand K2/10 or K2/100 in the UK.

If you have one for sale please email with the info.

Thanks

Don Palmer

G6CMV


From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Jan 31 15:56:47 2015
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum
Message-ID: <54CD418F.15993.47F05B2@Gary.ka1j.com>

Just a few words of thanks to both Elecraft and the members of this 
forum. Over the years I've had questions that for me, eluded answers 
and between the forum and the helpful people in tech at Elecraft, 
answers have been found. If I can't find the answers in my searches, 
I then like to ask here first and if I still need help, ask for tech 
help at Elecraft. 

What I very much appreciate is the low noise on the forum, meaning 
the lack of snide and belittling remarks which only serve to serve 
the sender's ego. I like how the vast majority of replies to 
everyone's questions are helpful and encouraging. When I've contacted 
Elecraft, they have always returned a call, returned an email in a 
timely manner and have always been able to help.

With this kind of product and support from the company and this 
forum, I am a solid and happy member of the Elecraft family.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Sat Jan 31 16:17:16 2015
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum
In-Reply-To: <54CD418F.15993.47F05B2@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <54CD418F.15993.47F05B2@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <005201d03d9b$4af57590$e0e060b0$@gamewood.net>

Ditto!  I don't know why I keep those imported rigs.

Ken - ke4rg

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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum

Just a few words of thanks to both Elecraft and the members of this forum.
<snip> 


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 17:24:44 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] For Sale
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=sgUoNz4SDa8KT0=FZjtTirz+kiF_3ujt1OCGOihWoZZQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sale Elecraft factory built KAT500 auto tuner in as new condition. Was
purchased new in November 2014. From a tobacco smoke free home. This is the
best tuner of this type I have owned. Comes with manual, power cord,
computer interface cable and original box. $550 shipped in CONUS. Payment
by money order or bank Cashier's Check, no Paypal. My email is correct on
QRZ.

Joe  N9VX

From jbollit at outlook.com  Sat Jan 31 18:02:28 2015
From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:02:28 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna
Message-ID: <SNT151-DS18CCA0948E90076112CA6DA63E0@phx.gbl>


The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather it is referenced to ground.

This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise.

As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop.  The amp has great characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C.  wallwart for low noise, and the install instructions isolate the amp from any ground.  

The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit.  The loop was designed by hams.

The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the aluminum joints.

I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer.  So satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX Engineering NCC-1 phaser.

Jim
W6AIM



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wouter Jan Ubbels
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:28 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41

Hi Paul,

I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna.
See

http://active-antenna.eu/

It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it plays very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy QTH. The unit is of high quality, and very well documented.
I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed relays for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from the ACC2 jack.

73,

Wouter Jan PE4WJ



> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000
> From: Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
> Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear Elecrafters,
>
> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. 
> I have a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if 
> anyone had experience of using active loop antennas as receiving 
> antennas to lower the noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's 
> Website this afternoon, and I see that their loops get good reviews on 
> EHam. I was wondering what experience you guys might have with these 
> and similar antennas.
>
> 73, Paul EI5KI
>
>
>
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From wes at triconet.org  Sat Jan 31 18:06:05 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote KAT500
Message-ID: <54CD5FDD.7090902@triconet.org>

About 2 1/2 years ago Wayne wrote:

"It may be possible to remote the KAT500 with additional control
firmware and an appropriate weather-proof enclosure. We haven't done
any testing of this idea yet, but once we start shipping KAT500s,
we'll work with a few customers who want to experiment with this to
see what we can do to facilitate it."

Did anything ever come of this?  I've been considering it.  The enclosure should 
be no problem.  It looks like a 12" x 12" NEMA box will hold it.

However, I don't want to rely on reading frequency to switch antennas.  I have 
enough trouble with faulting the KAT or KPA now with AUX Bus control and having 
to punch some button or another to get everything back online. I definitely want 
some direct connection to allow fault recovery.  It's about 150' to my tower.  
For direct control how much wire can be tolerated, either Serial or Aux?

Wes  N7WS

From jbollit at outlook.com  Sat Jan 31 18:07:14 2015
From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:07:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
In-Reply-To: <CADa2mvhjtba-T1Dvp55+5sWjntsnvNWcGQNNVw=gX_9MQ1swOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54CD2EA9.8080704@gmail.com>
	<CADa2mvhjtba-T1Dvp55+5sWjntsnvNWcGQNNVw=gX_9MQ1swOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT151-DS19D38C2117C7B982B30006A63E0@phx.gbl>

The link http://active-antenna.eu/ is to the LZ1AQ loop amplifier.

The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather the input  is
referenced to ground.

This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise.

As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop.  The amp has great
characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C.  wallwart for low noise,
and the install instructions isolate the amp from any ground.  

The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that
controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit.  The
loop was designed by hams.

The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the aluminum
joints.

I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer.  So
satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX Engineering NCC-1
phaser.

Jim
W6AIM



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Morgan
Bailey
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:43 AM
To: Benny Aumala
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna

Depending on the size of your lot you could also try a very short beverage
antenna.  I use a 160 foot unterminated wire through a 6:1 binocular core
transformer and feed it with 75 ohm coax.  It is up about 4 feet off the
ground.  It works surprisingly well on 20 through 10 meters.  It's
performance is marginal on 30 and 40 but sometimes it helps with band noise.
It may as well be a dead short on 80.  It is not ideal in any case, but it
was cheap and has helped with my horrible power line RFI problem.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Benny Aumala <benny.aumala at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Small large band RX loops are commercially available, but freight 
> costs makes them prohibitive expensive.
> You may approach it with kits, too.
> Look for VNorton here:
>
> http://www.qrp-shop.biz/epages/qrp-shop.sf/en_GB/?
> ObjectPath=/Shops/qrp-shop/Categories/%22DL-QRP-AG%
> 20Baus%C3%A4tze%22/Aktiv-Antenne
>
> and another interesting:
>
> http://active-antenna.eu/
>
> Both let you to make loop yourself.
>
> This is good for RX as it is broadband.
> TX antenna for limited space is Small Magnetic Loop.
> Big disadvanage is tunable small bandwidh. Even this can be made 
> automatic to follow VFO:
>  https://sites.google.com/site/lofturj/
>
> Benny   OH9NB
>
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From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com  Sat Jan 31 18:17:12 2015
From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:17:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTODuw9NZT7a6iv+0LMtn8psNwmnG30erMSUVQbBpERkJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C422ABF-4B52-41AC-9FE2-F43295CCC376@me.com>	<54CD03CB.8030907@socket.net>
	<CAD4CdTODuw9NZT7a6iv+0LMtn8psNwmnG30erMSUVQbBpERkJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d03dac$0bd9d980$238d8c80$@com>

Those were the 2 reasons that kept me from buying his were end plates and
covers.



73 & Good DX,
Fred  N0AZZ



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 10:55 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX

I have no issues with Scott's end plates ... and covers ... on both my KX3
and PX3.

73

Ken - K0PP
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From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 18:26:05 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:26:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=sgUoNz4SDa8KT0=FZjtTirz+kiF_3ujt1OCGOihWoZZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=sgUoNz4SDa8KT0=FZjtTirz+kiF_3ujt1OCGOihWoZZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=tKuHbzyGKpcUgQGiRYH9JCNmE1hr+XXKpY_56W6reNWw@mail.gmail.com>

The tuner is sold.

Thanks,

Joe  N9VX

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> For sale Elecraft factory built KAT500 auto tuner in as new condition. Was
> purchased new in November 2014. From a tobacco smoke free home. This is the
> best tuner of this type I have owned. Comes with manual, power cord,
> computer interface cable and original box. $550 shipped in CONUS. Payment
> by money order or bank Cashier's Check, no Paypal. My email is correct on
> QRZ.
>
> Joe  N9VX
>
>

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jan 31 19:04:40 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Hot KXPA100 Amplifier
In-Reply-To: <CB14FD06-A54B-4B81-A7D6-34B544CB759C@me.com>
References: <CAD+2GyuHrF1YK3LYWCoW6k=4+vNo5r9p5VdTqnxmMFaw_=80pA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB14FD06-A54B-4B81-A7D6-34B544CB759C@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5cU5vNzfCwYp=L_DUF3tjnoC0KsYsKwvR7e+Zk+avSxg@mail.gmail.com>

Common mode choking solves  a lot of problems.

I'm a believer.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:51 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
wrote:

> Would second all of this fine advice. I run the KX3 + PX3 + KAT100 into an
> Ameritron ALS-600S. And those clamp on chokes are essential. Using them
> liberally, and also making sure all the control mini-cables come no where
> close to the high-power coax outputs or the output from the KX3. Tidy
> things up nicely. Keeps the RF going where it should go.
>
> David A., KC0XT
>
> > On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Jim GM <jim.gmforum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Durring the last month of the ARRL Centennial QSO Party I was behind on
> > points to get into the top tire. So I finally turned on the amp and
> started
> > calling CQ on 20 -10 Meters. I noticed the the amp was getting hot and
> > finally tripped out on high heat. cooling fan helped but not as well as I
> > hoped.
> >
> > I also noticed that the amp ATU would start to re tune on my transmit
> > frequency more than I would like. I finally tracked down the issue and
> came
> > up with a solution.
> >
> > RF was coming back on the RF output cable between the KX3 and KXPA100.
> Some
> > RF was also coming back on the other cables as well.
> >
> > I installed some of those DX Engineering clamp on choke cores. I bundled
> > the inter-connecting cables and put 3 of those cores around those
> cables. I
> > separated the RF output cable from the bundle, and took one clamp on core
> > and wrapped one turn  close to the amp. Took care of my problem and the
> amp
> > ran as cold as a cumber in the frig.
> >
> > COMMON MODE CHOKE POWER !!!  :-)
> >
> > --
> > Jim K9TF
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From montys at mindspring.com  Sat Jan 31 19:13:44 2015
From: montys at mindspring.com (Monty S)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K1N - Navassa Island Update - January 31, 2015
References: <SNT147-W6CA87E4AA2894B725612BFD3E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5335ABF8-609C-4C95-BC50-2AAD6AAF98DB@mindspring.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Don WILSON <k2dsv at msn.com>
> Date: January 31, 2015 at 6:11:08 PM EST
> Subject: K1N - Navassa Island Update - January 31, 2015
> 
> 
> The Daily DX] K1N - Navassa Island Update -	January 31, 2015
>  
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:26:29 -0500
> > 
> > > From: urb at w2dec.com
> > > Subject: Fwd: [The Daily DX] K1N - Navassa Island Update - January 31, 2015
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 31 January 2015 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE From 
> > > > The KP1-5 project RE: K1N Navassa Island 
> > > > DXpedition Navassa: We're on the way! As you 
> > > > know, our plan was to begin helicopter trips 
> > > > this morning as soon as USFWS gave us the 
> > > > go-ahead. We hoped to get in as many as three 
> > > > trips in today. Because of the presence of a 
> > > > congressional delegation in Guantanamo Bay, 
> > > > Cuba, air services prevented the first of the 
> > > > two Navassa-bound USFWS helicopter flights to 
> > > > take off until 1830z. The first flight carried 
> > > > three of the six USFWS personnel, so the 
> > > > helicopter had to return to Guantanamo Bay and 
> > > > return with the remaining three USFWS 
> > > > people. It's about an hour each way so all of 
> > > > the above equals delay. We received the call at 
> > > > 1830z with the OK to start our trips. Our 
> > > > first flight left a few minutes later at 1900z 
> > > > and should land about 2030z. It's a two-hour 
> > > > round trip between Jamaica and Navassa so we 
> > > > won't get but one flight completed today. The 
> > > > first flight contained infrastructure materials 
> > > > and three K1N operators: George N4GRN, Glenn 
> > > > W??GJ and Jerry WB9Z. Flights will resume at 
> > > > first light tomorrow and we should get most of 
> > > > the material and men ashore tomorrow (Feb 
> > > > 1st). Building the camp will be time-consuming 
> > > > and labor-intensive but we hope be able to get 
> > > > one or two stations on the air tomorrow 
> > > > evening. It will be another day or so before 
> > > > we're fully operational on all bands. Because 
> > > > of the weather issues encountered this week by 
> > > > our supply vessel "Electra", we decided offload 
> > > > all the MREs, gasoline and water in Jamaica and 
> > > > transport it all via helicopter. More trips, 
> > > > more $$ but in the interest of safety. Bernie 
> > > > McClenny, W3UR Editor of: The Daily 
> > > > DX The Weekly DX How's DX? 
> > 
> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > > http://www.avast.com
> > > 
> 
> 

From jciullo at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 20:39:35 2015
From: jciullo at gmail.com (jciullo)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:39:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Alexloop Antenna
In-Reply-To: <1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1588264716.3157979.1422650852021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1422754775593-7597771.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have been using the MFJ Magnetic loop in various configuration with great
satisfaction with a k3. I believe you should have very good results also
with the alexloop



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From dbbrown624 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 20:52:50 2015
From: dbbrown624 at gmail.com (David Brown)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:52:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mailing list categories
Message-ID: <CAOh1mTS_y4f++15wnXw6VBJdut20n08uP8EqBFQr6uhzS8HFJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a newbe to the mailing list.  How can I select one or more topics in
order to receive only a subset of the messages posted to the list?  My
Subscription Options specifies "No topic defined" and I believe this is
what I need to change.

73 ... Dave, k8ax

From software.research.development at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 21:12:16 2015
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:12:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 X7-X11 crystal grounding
Message-ID: <CAGchGNvi+c408bKOTZPRE9cgWm5cTiGmEYHEy+6vhTxM=VQv8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm at the point of grounding the X7-X11 crystals on page 54 of the K2
build manual and the instructions appear to be different than whats shown
on the K2 build photos on the elecraft site. The photos on the site show a
single side ground to top of crystal. Manual seems to state grounding on
both sides and slight up from board.

Without anyone going way out of their way to do this, would anyone happen
to have a photo of the proper grounding for these crystals?

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jan 31 22:12:14 2015
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:12:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna
In-Reply-To: <SNT151-DS18CCA0948E90076112CA6DA63E0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT151-DS18CCA0948E90076112CA6DA63E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net>

Jan

What configuration did you use on your lz1aq loop?

Mike va3mw

> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, jim <jbollit at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather it is referenced to ground.
> 
> This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise.
> 
> As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop.  The amp has great characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C.  wallwart for low noise, and the install instructions isolate the amp from any ground.  
> 
> The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit.  The loop was designed by hams.
> 
> The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the aluminum joints.
> 
> I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer.  So satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX Engineering NCC-1 phaser.
> 
> Jim
> W6AIM
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wouter Jan Ubbels
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:28 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna.
> See
> 
> http://active-antenna.eu/
> 
> It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it plays very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy QTH. The unit is of high quality, and very well documented.
> I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed relays for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from the ACC2 jack.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Wouter Jan PE4WJ
> 
> 
> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000
>> From: Paul Barlow <paul.barlow at upcmail.ie>
>> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna
>> Message-ID: <DUB405-EAS19886EB1DCCD9A8D869E61994310 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Dear Elecrafters,
>> 
>> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. 
>> I have a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if 
>> anyone had experience of using active loop antennas as receiving 
>> antennas to lower the noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's 
>> Website this afternoon, and I see that their loops get good reviews on 
>> EHam. I was wondering what experience you guys might have with these 
>> and similar antennas.
>> 
>> 73, Paul EI5KI
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From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Jan 31 22:48:38 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:48:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 X7-X11 crystal grounding
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNvi+c408bKOTZPRE9cgWm5cTiGmEYHEy+6vhTxM=VQv8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNvi+c408bKOTZPRE9cgWm5cTiGmEYHEy+6vhTxM=VQv8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54CDA216.9010305@mchsi.com>

Lane,

I believe you want to ground them as shown in the manual.  I built my K2 
using the method of grounding on both sides.  It has been a little while 
since I built mine but I seem to recall reading somewhere that this is 
an improvement over grounding to the top. Also if you add options such 
as the KPA100, grounding to the side helps eliminate clearance issues 
with other circuit boards.

Mike
KI0HA

On 1/31/2015 20:12, Lane wrote:
> I'm at the point of grounding the X7-X11 crystals on page 54 of the K2
> build manual and the instructions appear to be different than whats shown
> on the K2 build photos on the elecraft site. The photos on the site show a
> single side ground to top of crystal. Manual seems to state grounding on
> both sides and slight up from board.
>
> Without anyone going way out of their way to do this, would anyone happen
> to have a photo of the proper grounding for these crystals?
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Jan 31 23:16:09 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 04:16:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Build Tip
Message-ID: <1965386046.232252.1422764169660.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I was installing the Sub Receiver today and while I was in?there I labeled both ends of the various interconnect cables.
The little bit of effort now will make it easier next time I work on the K3.




From w7aqk at cox.net  Sat Jan 31 23:51:39 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:51:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX
Message-ID: <1A8F866ADDC043FCAF49358984328C6D@TDYDell>

Hi All,

I have the Side KX panels on my KX3, and it's really not a problem for me. 
As has been pointed out, there are fairly large slots on both sides through 
which you can access any of the buttons on either side row.  I suppose 
someone with especially large fingers might possibly have an issue, but in 
that case (or anyway!) just use the opposite hand!  It is no problem at all 
accessing buttons on the left side with the right hand and vice versa.  By 
the way, the left panel also has the two buttons identified that need to be 
pushed to turn the KX3 on or off.  So, they obviously thought about this 
when they designed the panels and determined the slot size.

One nice thing about the panels is that their size (depth) does not extend 
much beyond the main tuning knob.  So, if you KX3 fit snugly in whatever you 
were using for a case before, it probably will still fit with the panels in 
place.  I was slightly concerned about that when I ordered the panels, as I 
had already selected a carrying case, but there was no problem, before or 
after--and it is a nice, close fit.

Anyway, at worst I would say it is a minor concern.

Dave W7AQK



From w6jhb at me.com  Sat Jan 31 23:52:11 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:52:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK
Message-ID: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com>

Hi all,

Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the past year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more states for WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited antenna space. Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP under it.

I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and have looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. 

But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% CW, I depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive only antenna to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the RX Ant fast enough to protect the K3?

Thanks, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA