[Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings

[David Cole]

On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 16:45 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV hosed down the
Internet with:
> On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote:
>  > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said
>  > here...
> 
> I am reading *and* comprehending what has been said here.  I've even
> been guilty of not being split when I should be but *never* more than
> one or two transmissions and most often when the DX is not announcing
> that he's listening split.  I make it a habit to check the Delta-F
> LED and/or the [SPLIT] icon before calling any station.


It's not about you Joe!  I am just happy as can be that you never fail
to look at the DELTA-F LED.   The suggestions being presented here, are
for others, myself included.  I am happy you are always correct, and
check the LED every-time, I don't.  Sometimes, I, and it would appear
others, actually-- (GASP), forget to check the LED...

As Wayne said, the UI should assist users...  Also having the LED flash
be an option, not the default should have ended this entire
discussion...


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> 
> >> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The
> >> correct approach would be: every time the operator activates
> >> transmit, the rig display should show a message that says "you are
> >> in transceive (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split?
> >> Press XMIT to begin transmitting"
>  > ===
> > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut
> > the mustard on it's own...
> 
> The "need another indicator" chant is extreme in itself.  If three on
> the K3 and two on the P3 are not enough how many does it take?  How
> distraction needs to be added until a distracted operator becomes
> focused?
> 
> It is not logical to believe that one can focus a distracted operator
> by pouring on additional distractions but if you want it simply do
> an option that will cause the VFO A or VFO B display (whichever is
> selected for transmit) to blink full time and to prevent anyone from
> missing that distraction inhibit transmit if the second line of the
> display is not showing VFO B.
> 
> No matter how many guardrails you install, there will always be some
> fool who drives into that curve 10 MPH faster than the guardrails can
> handle.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV spewed:
> >
> > Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway
> > or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an
> > accident.  That's not possible - there are those who can break an anvil.
> > ===
> >
> > Untrue Joe...  No where do I imply that it should be "impossible" for an
> > accident to happen.  In fact I infer just the opposite, that there
> > should be safeguards.  I infer it by use of sarcasm.
> >
> > You are again taking everything to extremes, then arguing that issue as
> > if the originator of the statement also took things to extremes.  Please
> > read what was typed and respond to what was typed, not your translation
> > of what was typed.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV sprayed the Internet
> > with:
> >
> > The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation.
> > Any *one* of those should be sufficient.  *NONE* of the proposals do
> > anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the
> > operator that he *should be in split*.
> > ===
> >
> > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said
> > here...  Many Ops here have said, (repeatedly), that the radio is
> > dropping out of Split for some reason, and they are not noticing it.
> > Hence your premise that the Ops need to be told they "*should be in
> > split*" is deeply flawed.
> >
> > Clearly there is an issue Joe...  There are just too many people
> > requesting a change.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV heaved up the
> > following:
> >
> > The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*.  The correct
> > approach would be:  every time the operator activates transmit, the rig
> > display should show a message that says "you are in transceive (simplex)
> > - are you sure you should not engage split?  Press XMIT to begin
> > transmitting"
> > ===
> > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut the
> > mustard on it's own...
> >
> > For those of us that make mistakes Joe, (unlike yourself evidently),
> > there is an issue here...
> >
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