From k2sg at comcast.net Sun Feb 1 00:05:36 2015 From: k2sg at comcast.net (Anthony DeBiasi) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 00:05:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale Message-ID: K3 For Sale, serial 4985 in mint condition. Please email direct for complete information and price. 73?Tony K2SG From wt5y at gt.rr.com Sun Feb 1 00:28:57 2015 From: wt5y at gt.rr.com (John Cooper) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 23:28:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 X7-X11 crystal grounding Message-ID: Ground them to the sides on both sides. ?They stopped doing the tops years ago. ?Think it was filter blow by. ?I ground all crystals to sides now. ? John WT5Y Sent from my Cricket smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Eberle Date: 01/31/2015 21:48 (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 X7-X11 crystal grounding Lane, I believe you want to ground them as shown in the manual.? I built my K2 using the method of grounding on both sides.? It has been a little while since I built mine but I seem to recall reading somewhere that this is an improvement over grounding to the top. Also if you add options such as the KPA100, grounding to the side helps eliminate clearance issues with other circuit boards. Mike KI0HA On 1/31/2015 20:12, Lane wrote: > I'm at the point of grounding the X7-X11 crystals on page 54 of the K2 > build manual and the instructions appear to be different than whats shown > on the K2 build photos on the elecraft site. The photos on the site show a > single side ground to top of crystal. Manual seems to state grounding on > both sides and slight up from board. > > Without anyone going way out of their way to do this, would anyone happen > to have a photo of the proper grounding for these crystals? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mteberle at mchsi.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wt5y at gt.rr.com From phils at riousa.com Sun Feb 1 00:41:59 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:41:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Message-ID: <8580F831-A56A-4436-9C77-B5B7A239274A@riousa.com> The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P From hhoyt at mebtel.net Sun Feb 1 00:53:52 2015 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 00:53:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX Message-ID: <54CDBF70.50108@mebtel.net> >>Don Wilhelm said: >>It all depends on how you depress the buttons - >>which fingers you use and what angle your fingers >>use to 'attack' the buttons. I agree, I have SideKX on my rig and I use it for testing, so I turn the rig on and off many times each week. Once you get used to approaching the buttons from the center of the rig I find it is a non-issue. I have never really heard of anyone complaining about this in the past. Just my $0.02 worth. Howie - WA4PSC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 03:30:13 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> Message-ID: <54CDE415.2030403@gmail.com> The Pixel can be connected to your amp key circuit. It turns off the power and grounds the antenna on transmit. It works fine with the K3 QSK at 30 wpm (haven't really tried it faster). The relay is a little noisy, but I wear phones and it doesn't bother me. I am using it about 6m from my vertical transmitting antenna with up to 1200 watts, so it is a good idea to use this feature. On 1 Feb 2015 06:52, James Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the > past year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more > states for WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited > antenna space. Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP > under it. > > I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and > have looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. > > But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% > CW, I depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive > only antenna to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the > RX Ant fast enough to protect the K3? > > Thanks, Jim > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Feb 1 06:20:51 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 04:20:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> Message-ID: <1422789651510-7597784.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jim, My Pixel loop is about 15 feet away from my BigIR vertical. I run 1500 watts QSK and have not had any problem at all. In fact since the recent improvements to the K3 QSK it's become a pretty pleasant way of operating. As Vic stated, there is a mechanical relay in the Pixel power box that resides inside the shack which could be distracting. However, the clicking from my amp's relay is much louder. So headphones are pretty much mandatory at my QTH. I should note that this amp is new and I've only been running QSK for about 5 months. If you are noise sensitive and if you are running a silent amp like the KPA500 you'll probably be dissapointed in the sudden appearance of noise from the Pixel power box. I don't know how the Wellbrook does its switching. Perhaps the bigger question is how many cycles does this little relay go through in a typical weekend DX contest and how long will it last. Is it 10,000 cycles? Is it a million cycles? I always switch the Pixel off on the higher frequency bands for the sole purpose of extending the life of the relay. 73, Mike K2MK James Bennett wrote > Hi all, > > Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the past > year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more states for > WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited antenna space. > Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP under it. > > I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and have > looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. > > But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% CW, I > depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive only antenna > to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the RX Ant fast enough > to protect the K3? > > Thanks, Jim > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-RX-Antenna-QSK-tp7597778p7597784.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 06:49:27 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 13:49:27 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <1422789651510-7597784.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> <1422789651510-7597784.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54CE12C7.20606@gmail.com> I just stuck a piece of folded-up bubble wrap underneath the Pixel control box which made it much quieter! On 1 Feb 2015 13:20, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Jim, > > My Pixel loop is about 15 feet away from my BigIR vertical. I run 1500 watts > QSK and have not had any problem at all. In fact since the recent > improvements to the K3 QSK it's become a pretty pleasant way of operating. > As Vic stated, there is a mechanical relay in the Pixel power box that > resides inside the shack which could be distracting. However, the clicking > from my amp's relay is much louder. So headphones are pretty much mandatory > at my QTH. I should note that this amp is new and I've only been running QSK > for about 5 months. > > If you are noise sensitive and if you are running a silent amp like the > KPA500 you'll probably be dissapointed in the sudden appearance of noise > from the Pixel power box. I don't know how the Wellbrook does its switching. > Perhaps the bigger question is how many cycles does this little relay go > through in a typical weekend DX contest and how long will it last. Is it > 10,000 cycles? Is it a million cycles? I always switch the Pixel off on the > higher frequency bands for the sole purpose of extending the life of the > relay. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > James Bennett wrote >> Hi all, >> >> Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the past >> year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more states for >> WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited antenna space. >> Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP under it. >> >> I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and have >> looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. >> >> But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% CW, I >> depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive only antenna >> to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the RX Ant fast enough >> to protect the K3? >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From pincon at erols.com Sun Feb 1 08:10:42 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:10:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover References: <1A8F866ADDC043FCAF49358984328C6D@TDYDell> Message-ID: Do most people who order the side panels also get the clear plastic cover? I'm trying to decide what, or if I need them. Bearing in mind that I'd saw a dime in half if I could spend it twice. I buy C-128 laser cartridges for my printer and they come in a fairly tough tubular bubble pack which just happens to be a perfect fit for the KX3, the Comet CAA-500 analyzer, or a 15A MFJ power supply. Each one makes for a package slightly smaller in diameter than a football (the brown pointed one, not the black & white one). I don't do back-pack type operation, but they work fine for carry on baggage or the car trunk. 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "dyarnes" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX > Hi All, > > I have the Side KX panels on my KX3, and it's really not a problem for me. > As has been pointed out, there are fairly large slots on both sides > through which you can access any of the buttons on either side row. I > suppose someone with especially large fingers might possibly have an > issue, but in that case (or anyway!) just use the opposite hand! It is no > problem at all accessing buttons on the left side with the right hand and > vice versa. By the way, the left panel also has the two buttons > identified that need to be pushed to turn the KX3 on or off. So, they > obviously thought about this when they designed the panels and determined > the slot size. > > One nice thing about the panels is that their size (depth) does not extend > much beyond the main tuning knob. So, if you KX3 fit snugly in whatever > you were using for a case before, it probably will still fit with the > panels in place. I was slightly concerned about that when I ordered the > panels, as I had already selected a carrying case, but there was no > problem, before or after--and it is a nice, close fit. > > Anyway, at worst I would say it is a minor concern. > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From dmb at lightstream.net Sun Feb 1 08:58:23 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:58:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <54CDE415.2030403@gmail.com> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> <54CDE415.2030403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57291.71.74.118.201.1422799103.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Is there a significant benefit to running full QSK at speeds >= 30 WPM as opposed to just running break-in w/ a delay of 0.04? I use the Pixel loop here on 40 and 30 meters w/ my K3, and doing the latter saves a lot of relay operations. Although you won't hear the band between keying elements, you will definitely hear it between letters. No sarcasm intended w/ my question; just trying to understand when and how full QSK provides a benefit over break-in w/ minimal delay. 73, Dale WA8SRA > The Pixel can be connected to your amp key circuit. It turns off the > power and grounds the antenna on transmit. It works fine with the K3 QSK > at 30 wpm (haven't really tried it faster). The relay is a little noisy, > but I wear phones and it doesn't bother me. I am using it about 6m from > my vertical transmitting antenna with up to 1200 watts, so it is a good > idea to use this feature. > > On 1 Feb 2015 06:52, James Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the >> past year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more >> states for WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited >> antenna space. Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP >> under it. >> >> I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and >> have looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. >> >> But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% >> CW, I depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive >> only antenna to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the >> RX Ant fast enough to protect the K3? >> >> Thanks, Jim >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > > -- > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From myronschaffer at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 09:16:02 2015 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 07:16:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Question Message-ID: <9FBA45FF-6DCE-4F6E-99FA-67FDA3600D23@gmail.com> I want to know how the 1.5:1 tuning threshold gets restored after setting it to the 2:1 threshold. The manual tells how to set it to 2:1 but I'm not sure how to get it back to the 1.5 threshold. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 09:41:00 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:41:00 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <57291.71.74.118.201.1422799103.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> <54CDE415.2030403@gmail.com> <57291.71.74.118.201.1422799103.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <54CE3AFC.3090903@gmail.com> I just tried it at speeds from about 24 to 35 wpm. As you say, not much difference in what you hear and a big reduction in relay operations. 0.005 extends the useful speed range downward without changing what you hear much. I'll try it in the next pileup and see if I think it matters. I have two relays in my amp and the one in the loop, and the less work they do the better. On 1 Feb 2015 15:58, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > Is there a significant benefit to running full QSK at speeds >= 30 WPM as > opposed to just running break-in w/ a delay of 0.04? I use the Pixel loop > here on 40 and 30 meters w/ my K3, and doing the latter saves a lot of > relay operations. Although you won't hear the band between keying > elements, you will definitely hear it between letters. > > No sarcasm intended w/ my question; just trying to understand when and how > full QSK provides a benefit over break-in w/ minimal delay. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > >> The Pixel can be connected to your amp key circuit. It turns off the >> power and grounds the antenna on transmit. It works fine with the K3 QSK >> at 30 wpm (haven't really tried it faster). The relay is a little noisy, >> but I wear phones and it doesn't bother me. I am using it about 6m from >> my vertical transmitting antenna with up to 1200 watts, so it is a good >> idea to use this feature. >> >> On 1 Feb 2015 06:52, James Bennett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the >>> past year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more >>> states for WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have limited >>> antenna space. Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a K2AV FCP >>> under it. >>> >>> I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, and >>> have looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. >>> >>> But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% >>> CW, I depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive >>> only antenna to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the >>> RX Ant fast enough to protect the K3? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim >>> >>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Feb 1 09:50:17 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft and this Forum Message-ID: Same here, and I had the same question: with a K3 and a KX3, why was I keeping the FT847 and the FT950 and all the related stuff I hadn?t used in years? He who dies with the most toys wins? Answer was to find a junior high school amateur radio club that needed HF equipment. Not at all hard to do. Donating was good for the upcoming generation of hams, cleared out shelf space for me, and provided a nice tax deduction - plenty of prices available on the 'net in case the IRS questions the values. Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:17:16 -0500 >From: "Kenneth Talbott" >To: >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum >Message-ID: <005201d03d9b$4af57590$e0e060b0$@gamewood.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Ditto! I don't know why I keep those imported rigs. > >Ken - ke4rg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary >Smith >Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum > >Just a few words of thanks to both Elecraft and the members of this forum. > > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 1 10:04:24 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 15:04:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover In-Reply-To: References: <1A8F866ADDC043FCAF49358984328C6D@TDYDell> Message-ID: <3417611D-A26E-43B4-A5B2-B60E0D512763@yahoo.co.uk> I did and I'm Scottish, worse than that I am a Fifer! Seriously if you are getting the side panels, the clear cover is worth getting as well. It protects the rig quite nicely if you are stuffing it in a rucksack or something. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 1 Feb 2015, at 13:10, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > Do most people who order the side panels also get the clear plastic cover? > I'm trying to decide what, or if I need them. > > Bearing in mind that I'd saw a dime in half if I could spend it twice. > > I buy C-128 laser cartridges for my printer and they come in a fairly tough tubular bubble pack which just happens to be a perfect fit for the KX3, the Comet CAA-500 analyzer, or a 15A MFJ power supply. Each one makes for a package slightly smaller in diameter than a football (the brown pointed one, not the black & white one). I don't do back-pack type operation, but they work fine for carry on baggage or the car trunk. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "dyarnes" > To: "Elecraft Reflector" > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accessing KX3 buttons when using Side KX > > >> Hi All, >> >> I have the Side KX panels on my KX3, and it's really not a problem for me. As has been pointed out, there are fairly large slots on both sides through which you can access any of the buttons on either side row. I suppose someone with especially large fingers might possibly have an issue, but in that case (or anyway!) just use the opposite hand! It is no problem at all accessing buttons on the left side with the right hand and vice versa. By the way, the left panel also has the two buttons identified that need to be pushed to turn the KX3 on or off. So, they obviously thought about this when they designed the panels and determined the slot size. >> >> One nice thing about the panels is that their size (depth) does not extend much beyond the main tuning knob. So, if you KX3 fit snugly in whatever you were using for a case before, it probably will still fit with the panels in place. I was slightly concerned about that when I ordered the panels, as I had already selected a carrying case, but there was no problem, before or after--and it is a nice, close fit. >> >> Anyway, at worst I would say it is a minor concern. >> >> Dave W7AQK >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From nz0tham at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 10:37:02 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:37:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod Message-ID: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear headphone so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something about it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 but if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission it would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common mod involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same board with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should look at? 73 Bill NZ0T -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-AGC-mod-tp7597792.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Sun Feb 1 10:40:04 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 09:40:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft and this Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a201d03e35$5976efa0$0c64cee0$@com> Possibly for the same reason that I kept my IC-9100 loaded because Elecraft had nothing to match all its features including D-Star and 1.2 gig. A true all band all mode modern radio, but did sell my FT-847 and FT-5000's. 73 & Good DX, Fred N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:50 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net. Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft and this Forum Same here, and I had the same question: with a K3 and a KX3, why was I keeping the FT847 and the FT950 and all the related stuff I hadn?t used in years? He who dies with the most toys wins? Answer was to find a junior high school amateur radio club that needed HF equipment. Not at all hard to do. Donating was good for the upcoming generation of hams, cleared out shelf space for me, and provided a nice tax deduction - plenty of prices available on the 'net in case the IRS questions the values. Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:17:16 -0500 >From: "Kenneth Talbott" >To: >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum >Message-ID: <005201d03d9b$4af57590$e0e060b0$@gamewood.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Ditto! I don't know why I keep those imported rigs. > >Ken - ke4rg > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary >Smith >Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum > >Just a few words of thanks to both Elecraft and the members of this forum. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From myronschaffer at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 10:53:02 2015 From: myronschaffer at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Myron_WV=C3=98H?=) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:53:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would be interested in this too. Do you know of a web page that describes the mod? Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > > I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear headphone > so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something about > it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 but > if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission it > would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common mod > involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same board > with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should look > at? > > 73 Bill NZ0T > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-AGC-mod-tp7597792.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to myronschaffer at gmail.com From hans.elfelt at me.com Sun Feb 1 10:53:50 2015 From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:53:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - sudden death Message-ID: K2 - sudden death My K2 # 7359 running firmware 2.04 , with internal battery and KAT2 has been behaving wonderfully for more than a year now. This morning I switched it on, and heard familiar chatter from other hams - And after the normal tuning procedure (on approximately 2-3 watt output) I sat down ready for a general SSB rag-chew. Suddenly its front panel display said : Low battery, the general hiss of the loudspeaker faded down, the display went dead and the entire K2 went dead. Immediate restart wasn?t possible, but after a 10 minutes I could repeat the procedure. I then removed the battery and the adjoining cables and placed the K2 battery switch in the battery OFF position, relying now on a small external PS The battery seems never the less to be ok and up to standard. At a new attempt the K2 shuts itself of after app. 30 seconds saying : LOW BATTERY ( with no battery connected ????) Changed the P7 jumper to ext, and tried once more. Still: LOW BATTERY Took another well known 12,5 v gel battery, and checked the amperage when the on button is pressed. The K2 is consuming well above 1,5 amps. A loud relay clatter was heard inside the K2. Shut it off immediately What is suddenly happening ? OZ5RB, Hans From py2sex at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 11:00:20 2015 From: py2sex at gmail.com (PY2SEX - Alex) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 17:00:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover In-Reply-To: <3417611D-A26E-43B4-A5B2-B60E0D512763@yahoo.co.uk> References: <1A8F866ADDC043FCAF49358984328C6D@TDYDell> <3417611D-A26E-43B4-A5B2-B60E0D512763@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <54CE4D94.1010908@gmail.com> Hey all I just found this nice video of Side KX, I'm thinking to buy one too, looks nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws3mG_UbfAc -- 73 Alex PY2SEX | DL1NX | PY1KS JW/PY2SEX (24-25.12.2013) PJ4S (26.11-02.12.2014) PJ2/DL1NX (02-09.12.2014) www.py2sex.com David Anderson wrote: > Side KX From aldermant at windstream.net Sun Feb 1 11:05:27 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 11:05:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK In-Reply-To: <54CE3AFC.3090903@gmail.com> References: <8B3CD544-CF82-42BA-A414-A2FD016E391F@me.com> <54CDE415.2030403@gmail.com> <57291.71.74.118.201.1422799103.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <54CE3AFC.3090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601d03e38$e529ffd0$af7dff70$@windstream.net> In my opinion, you do not gain anything by running full QSK with your K3 below about 40 wpm. But if you do run full QSK, you do lose the use of RIT/XIT and SPLIT. For me using RIT during contest is quite important, therefore I do not use full QSK in any contest. But during the now seldom times I have QRQ (above 60 wpm) QSO's, I always use full QSK. Relay noise from amplifiers T/R relays can not be avoided so therefore you either have to train yourself to ignore the relay noise or wear good headphones, or both. I am presently trying to learn to use VFO A for receiving and VFO B for transmitting as I normally operate in the RUN mode during contest, but of course with the K3 you lose full QSK when running SPLIT. However this also makes using spotting cluster almost impossible. YMMV!! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 9:41 AM To: dmb at lightstream.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 RX Antenna & QSK I just tried it at speeds from about 24 to 35 wpm. As you say, not much difference in what you hear and a big reduction in relay operations. 0.005 extends the useful speed range downward without changing what you hear much. I'll try it in the next pileup and see if I think it matters. I have two relays in my amp and the one in the loop, and the less work they do the better. On 1 Feb 2015 15:58, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > Is there a significant benefit to running full QSK at speeds >= 30 WPM > as opposed to just running break-in w/ a delay of 0.04? I use the > Pixel loop here on 40 and 30 meters w/ my K3, and doing the latter > saves a lot of relay operations. Although you won't hear the band > between keying elements, you will definitely hear it between letters. > > No sarcasm intended w/ my question; just trying to understand when and > how full QSK provides a benefit over break-in w/ minimal delay. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > >> The Pixel can be connected to your amp key circuit. It turns off the >> power and grounds the antenna on transmit. It works fine with the K3 >> QSK at 30 wpm (haven't really tried it faster). The relay is a little >> noisy, but I wear phones and it doesn't bother me. I am using it >> about 6m from my vertical transmitting antenna with up to 1200 watts, >> so it is a good idea to use this feature. >> >> On 1 Feb 2015 06:52, James Bennett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Have a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 and have been working 160 meters more the >>> past year or so than in the previous 49 years. Only need three more >>> states for WAS. Got a lot of noise here at this QTH, and have >>> limited antenna space. Using an Inverted L up about 40 feet with a >>> K2AV FCP under it. >>> >>> I'm looking at perhaps getting a magnetic loop receiving antenna, >>> and have looked at the Wellbrook ALA 1530 and the Pixel RF Pro 1B. >>> >>> But my question is on the T/R switching of the K3. As I operate 99% >>> CW, I depend on QSK operation. If I connect either of those receive >>> only antenna to the RX Ant, does the K3 switch between Ant1 and the >>> RX Ant fast enough to protect the K3? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim >>> >>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 1 11:19:11 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 08:19:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54CE51FF.80601@socal.rr.com> I believe there is a message in the list archives from Wayne on this subject. But apparently this was before the list archives started. About midway down on this page is a relevant message from Wayne. http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_reflect/K1_AGC_Notes.txt 73, Phil W7OX On 2/1/15 7:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear headphone > so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something about > it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 but > if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission it > would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common mod > involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same board > with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should look > at? > > 73 Bill NZ0T From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 12:15:45 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 18:15:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Looking for Clifton Labs Z10000B Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know if Jack of Clifton Labs is still in business, I'm hoping to buy a Z10000B I've emailed Jack but no response as yet. If anyone has a kit or prebuilt Z10000B I'd be interested. Thanks, 73, Deni - F5VJC From nz0tham at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 12:21:33 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (William Carpenter) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 11:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Here are a couple of places I have found something: http://www.jl3amk.org/en/#k1_mods The other one that I got the cap values from that are in my OP were from an Elecraft reflector post by a ZL that I can't find now. I'm going have to check my junk drawer and see if I have nay caps that will work. 73 Bill NZ0T On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Myron WV?H wrote: > I would be interested in this too. Do you know of a web page that > describes the mod? > > Myron WV?H > Printed on Recycled Data > > > On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > > > > I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear > headphone > > so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something > about > > it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 > but > > if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission > it > > would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common > mod > > involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same > board > > with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should > look > > at? > > > > 73 Bill NZ0T > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-AGC-mod-tp7597792.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to myronschaffer at gmail.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Feb 1 12:31:15 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 09:31:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54CE62E3.9030106@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From nz0tham at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 12:50:29 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (William Carpenter) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 11:50:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Here is the other site: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2005-May/044374.html On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Myron WV?H wrote: > I would be interested in this too. Do you know of a web page that > describes the mod? > > Myron WV?H > Printed on Recycled Data > > > On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > > > > I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear > headphone > > so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something > about > > it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 > but > > if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission > it > > would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common > mod > > involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same > board > > with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should > look > > at? > > > > 73 Bill NZ0T > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-AGC-mod-tp7597792.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to myronschaffer at gmail.com > From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 1 14:59:22 2015 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 19:59:22 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> Message-ID: <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> Jim How did you determine that the LZ1AQ amplifier is not a differential amp? the diagrams lead me to believe that it has differential inputs. Page 29 shows the specification item 10 which states that the inputs are balanced. What am I missing, where should I be looking? 73 David G3UNA >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, jim wrote: >> >> >> The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather it is >> referenced to ground. >> >> This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise. >> >> As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop. The amp has >> great characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C. wallwart for low >> noise, and the install instructions isolate the amp from any ground. >> >> The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that >> controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit. >> The loop was designed by hams. >> >> The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the >> aluminum joints. >> >> I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer. >> So satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX Engineering >> NCC-1 phaser. >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Wouter Jan Ubbels >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:28 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41 >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna. >> See >> >> http://active-antenna.eu/ >> >> It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it plays >> very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy QTH. The unit >> is of high quality, and very well documented. >> I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed relays >> for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from the ACC2 >> jack. >> >> 73, >> >> Wouter Jan PE4WJ >> >> >> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000 >>> From: Paul Barlow >>> To: >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Dear Elecrafters, >>> >>> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. >>> I have a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if >>> anyone had experience of using active loop antennas as receiving >>> antennas to lower the noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's >>> Website this afternoon, and I see that their loops get good reviews on >>> EHam. I was wondering what experience you guys might have with these >>> and similar antennas. >>> >>> 73, Paul EI5KI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com From htodd at twofifty.com Sun Feb 1 15:09:15 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 12:09:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum In-Reply-To: <005201d03d9b$4af57590$e0e060b0$@gamewood.net> References: <54CD418F.15993.47F05B2@Gary.ka1j.com> <005201d03d9b$4af57590$e0e060b0$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: I do. It's more fun to have more radios. Even though my K3 is my favorite, I still like playing with my Icom 706, or the weird handheld 40M radio, or that 10M FM handheld with all the birdies. Oh, and my K2 that's in backup. One of these days I'm going to end up with a KX3. Now that you mention it, maybe I have a problem. On Sat, 31 Jan 2015, Kenneth Talbott wrote: > Ditto! I don't know why I keep those imported rigs. > > Ken - ke4rg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary > Smith > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:57 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Thanks to Elecraft & this forum > > Just a few words of thanks to both Elecraft and the members of this forum. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From k2sg at comcast.net Sun Feb 1 16:19:57 2015 From: k2sg at comcast.net (Anthony DeBiasi) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:19:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Message-ID: The K3 which was for sale has been sold. 73, Tony K2SG K1N NA Pilot From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 1 16:51:10 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54CE9FCE.5070305@embarqmail.com> Bill, Decreasing C31 may decrease the attack time, and decreasing C67 will reduce the hang time. If you are having trouble with the initial 'spike', then I would suggest reducing C31 first. You can experiment with the values. Also take a look at Wayne's comments at http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_reflect/K1_AGC_Notes.txt and be sure what you are hearing is not the audio 'thump'. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/1/2015 10:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear headphone > so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something about > it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 but > if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission it > would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common mod > involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same board > with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should look > at? > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 1 16:58:48 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Looking for Clifton Labs Z10000B In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54CEA198.1010308@embarqmail.com> Deni, As far as I know, Jack is still in business. Give a shot at another email. Jack.Smith at cliftonlaboratories.com 73, Don W3FPR On 2/1/2015 12:15 PM, F5vjc wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know if Jack of Clifton Labs is still in business, I'm hoping > to buy a Z10000B > I've emailed Jack but no response as yet. > > If anyone has a kit or prebuilt Z10000B I'd be interested. > > From nz0tham at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 17:01:34 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (William Carpenter) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 16:01:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: <54CE9FCE.5070305@embarqmail.com> References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> <54CE9FCE.5070305@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don, Thanks for your response. I'm sure it's not the "thump" but rather a spike in the audio derived AGC before it reduces the the level. I'll try decreasing C31 first On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > Decreasing C31 may decrease the attack time, and decreasing C67 will > reduce the hang time. > If you are having trouble with the initial 'spike', then I would suggest > reducing C31 first. > You can experiment with the values. > > Also take a look at Wayne's comments at http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/ > elecraft_reflect/K1_AGC_Notes.txt and be sure what you are hearing is not > the audio 'thump'. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 2/1/2015 10:37 AM, NZ0T wrote: > >> I just built K1 SN 3353 and it's a neat little rig. I usually wear >> headphone >> so now that I've experienced the AGC lag I would like to do something >> about >> it. I know it's audio derived so it will never sound like a K2 or K3 but >> if I could reduce the loud spike at the start of a received transmission >> it >> would help. From perusing the net it looks to me like the most common mod >> involves replacing C31 on the RF board with a 1uf and C67 on the same >> board >> with a .22uf. Is this the best mod or are there others that I should look >> at? >> >> >> > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 1 17:09:41 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 17:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - sudden death In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54CEA425.7070604@embarqmail.com> Hans, With the P7 jumper in the EXT position, you are guaranteed to get LO BATT warnings, so set it back to the INT position. Your symptoms sound like you may have a connection in the internal battery wiring that is faulty. OTOH, there could be a fault in the Control Board circuit that feeds the Vsense input to the MCU - U3 pins 5, 6, and 7 should all be at 20% of the voltage applied to pin 2 of the P7 header. The same voltage should be found at U6 pin 5 If all that checks out, you could have a faulty input pin at U6 pin 5 - in which case, replacement of the MCU is the only cure. Keep in mind that a low supply voltage (or a significant voltage drop in the power circuits) will increase the current required. Check with your DMM along the power supply rail inside the K2 to see if you can detect any significant voltage drops. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/1/2015 10:53 AM, Hans Bonnesen wrote: > K2 - sudden death > My K2 # 7359 running firmware 2.04 , with internal battery and KAT2 has been behaving wonderfully for more than a year now. > This morning I switched it on, and heard familiar chatter from other hams - And after the normal tuning procedure (on approximately 2-3 watt output) I sat down ready for a general SSB rag-chew. > Suddenly its front panel display said : Low battery, the general hiss of the loudspeaker faded down, the display went dead and the entire K2 went dead. > Immediate restart wasn?t possible, but after a 10 minutes I could repeat the procedure. > I then removed the battery and the adjoining cables and placed the K2 battery switch in the battery OFF position, relying now on a small external PS > The battery seems never the less to be ok and up to standard. > At a new attempt the K2 shuts itself of after app. 30 seconds saying : LOW BATTERY ( with no battery connected ????) > Changed the P7 jumper to ext, and tried once more. > Still: LOW BATTERY > Took another well known 12,5 v gel battery, and checked the amperage when the on button is pressed. > The K2 is consuming well above 1,5 amps. A loud relay clatter was heard inside the K2. > Shut it off immediately > What is suddenly happening ? > > > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Sun Feb 1 17:18:10 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 16:18:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox Message-ID: I use open wire feed line with a Johnson Matchbox. I'd like to verify that the taps on the coils are original. (I saw solder on one.) When these are purchased used, one never knows if it is in original state. I've been trying to find a source where I may find detailed pictures of the coil to use for comparison. So far, I haven't found what I need. Any help? (This is a 275 watt model) Dick, n0ce Ohm Sweet Ohm From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Feb 1 17:35:01 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 14:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54CEAA15.6000502@foothill.net> Talk to Hank, W6SX. He uses several Matchboxes, one for each band with an automatic switching arrangement. He's good on QRZ. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/1/2015 2:18 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I use open wire feed line with a Johnson Matchbox. I'd like to > verify that the taps on the coils are original. (I saw solder on > one.) When these are purchased used, one never knows if it is in > original state. > > I've been trying to find a source where I may find detailed pictures > of the coil to use for comparison. So far, I haven't found what I > need. Any help? (This is a 275 watt model) From w6sx at arrl.net Sun Feb 1 17:40:52 2015 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:40:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox In-Reply-To: <54CEAA15.6000502@foothill.net> References: <54CEAA15.6000502@foothill.net> Message-ID: Sorry. My five Matchboxes are KW units. 73, Hank, W6SX On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Fred Jensen wrote: > Talk to Hank, W6SX. He uses several Matchboxes, one for each band with > an automatic switching arrangement. He's good on QRZ. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 2/1/2015 2:18 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > >> I use open wire feed line with a Johnson Matchbox. I'd like to >> verify that the taps on the coils are original. (I saw solder on >> one.) When these are purchased used, one never knows if it is in >> original state. >> >> I've been trying to find a source where I may find detailed pictures >> of the coil to use for comparison. So far, I haven't found what I >> need. Any help? (This is a 275 watt model) >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6sx at arrl.net > From duberger.miousse81 at globetrotter.net Sun Feb 1 19:10:45 2015 From: duberger.miousse81 at globetrotter.net (Claude Du Berger) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF Preamp ON/OFF Message-ID: <497A6F0C6858409AA435A2036A7062B5@UtilisateurPC> Running latest 5.09 When pushing PRE to have it OFF the pre/dial will flash and preamp is not off. I have to push it twice to have it off. Is it new? normal? 73, Claude VE2FK From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Feb 1 20:43:10 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 01:43:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover Message-ID: I bought both, and it turns out that the covers are more useful than the side panels alone are. Previously when packing the KX3 and PX3 I had to give them extra space because I didn?t want anything touching the panel or knobs. With the covers in place I can get more in the back pack rather than less, as they protect the face of the instruments allowing for more stuff to be packed against them. Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:10:42 -0500 >From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" >To: >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >Do most people who order the side panels also get the clear plastic cover? >I'm trying to decide what, or if I need them. > >Bearing in mind that I'd saw a dime in half if I could spend it twice. > >I buy C-128 laser cartridges for my printer and they come in a fairly >tough >tubular bubble pack which just happens to be a perfect fit for the KX3, >the >Comet CAA-500 analyzer, or a 15A MFJ power supply. Each one makes for a >package slightly smaller in diameter than a football (the brown pointed >one, >not the black & white one). I don't do back-pack type operation, but >they >work fine for carry on baggage or the car trunk. > >73, Charlie k3ICH > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dyarnes" From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 1 20:50:36 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 17:50:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F4B89EC-1FBF-4A80-8347-66AECEEFC167@socal.rr.com> Do you have cover and side panels for the PX3 too? Phil W7OX - Sent from my iPad > On Feb 1, 2015, at 17:43, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I bought both, and it turns out that the covers are more useful than the > side panels alone are. Previously when packing the KX3 and PX3 I had to > give them extra space because I didn?t want anything touching the panel or > knobs. With the covers in place I can get more in the back pack rather > than less, as they protect the face of the instruments allowing for more > stuff to be packed against them. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 08:10:42 -0500 >> From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side KX and/or cover >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Do most people who order the side panels also get the clear plastic cover? >> I'm trying to decide what, or if I need them. >> >> Bearing in mind that I'd saw a dime in half if I could spend it twice. >> >> I buy C-128 laser cartridges for my printer and they come in a fairly >> tough >> tubular bubble pack which just happens to be a perfect fit for the KX3, >> the >> Comet CAA-500 analyzer, or a 15A MFJ power supply. Each one makes for a >> package slightly smaller in diameter than a football (the brown pointed >> one, >> not the black & white one). I don't do back-pack type operation, but >> they >> work fine for carry on baggage or the car trunk. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "dyarnes" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Feb 1 23:59:31 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:59:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> Message-ID: There was a schematic published by LZ1AQ that showed the implementation of a loop required that one of the inputs of the amp was referenced to ground. Jim -----Original Message----- From: David Cutter [mailto:d.cutter at ntlworld.com] Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:59 AM To: Mike va3mw; jim Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Wouter Jan Ubbels Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna Jim How did you determine that the LZ1AQ amplifier is not a differential amp? the diagrams lead me to believe that it has differential inputs. Page 29 shows the specification item 10 which states that the inputs are balanced. What am I missing, where should I be looking? 73 David G3UNA >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, jim wrote: >> >> >> The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather it is >> referenced to ground. >> >> This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise. >> >> As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop. The amp >> has great characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C. wallwart >> for low noise, and the install instructions isolate the amp from any ground. >> >> The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that >> controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit. >> The loop was designed by hams. >> >> The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the >> aluminum joints. >> >> I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer. >> So satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX >> Engineering >> NCC-1 phaser. >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Wouter Jan Ubbels >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:28 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41 >> >> Hi Paul, >> >> I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna. >> See >> >> http://active-antenna.eu/ >> >> It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it >> plays very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy >> QTH. The unit is of high quality, and very well documented. >> I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed >> relays for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from >> the ACC2 jack. >> >> 73, >> >> Wouter Jan PE4WJ >> >> >> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000 >>> From: Paul Barlow >>> To: >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Dear Elecrafters, >>> >>> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. >>> I have a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if >>> anyone had experience of using active loop antennas as receiving >>> antennas to lower the noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's >>> Website this afternoon, and I see that their loops get good reviews >>> on EHam. I was wondering what experience you guys might have with >>> these and similar antennas. >>> >>> 73, Paul EI5KI >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> va3mw at portcredit.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > d.cutter at ntlworld.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 01:15:50 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:15:50 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox In-Reply-To: References: <54CEAA15.6000502@foothill.net> Message-ID: Lots of room on your desk, Hank? Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 2, 2015, at 12:40 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > > Sorry. My five Matchboxes are KW units. > > 73, > > Hank, W6SX > > >> On Sunday, February 1, 2015, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >> Talk to Hank, W6SX. He uses several Matchboxes, one for each band with >> an automatic switching arrangement. He's good on QRZ. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >> - www.cqp.org >> >>> On 2/1/2015 2:18 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >>> >>> I use open wire feed line with a Johnson Matchbox. I'd like to >>> verify that the taps on the coils are original. (I saw solder on >>> one.) When these are purchased used, one never knows if it is in >>> original state. >>> >>> I've been trying to find a source where I may find detailed pictures >>> of the coil to use for comparison. So far, I haven't found what I >>> need. Any help? (This is a 275 watt model) >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6sx at arrl.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From thomas at dk1ey.de Mon Feb 2 03:11:25 2015 From: thomas at dk1ey.de (Thomas / DK1EY) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:11:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: SideKX (Original) Ultimate Kit for KX3 and PX3 (ships from Germany) Message-ID: <002001d03ebf$d6cbf1f0$8463d5d0$@dk1ey.de> For sale: ORIGINAL SideKX ULTIMATE Combination kit for KX3 and PX3: KX3 Endpannels and Lexan Cover, PX3 Endpannels and Lexan Cover furthermore the KXPD Cover. The Kit is new! Fixed Price: 175? plus shipping (ships from Germany), payment exclusively via PayPal. More Information under: http://gemsproducts.com/PX3.html http://gemsproducts.com/KX3.html Sadly I cannot use it, because it is not compatible with the N8BX weighted tuning knob. VY73 Thomas DK1EY From andy.nehan at btinternet.com Mon Feb 2 05:31:34 2015 From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:31:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta software - Span Step NOT "sticky" Message-ID: <33324142.14285.1422873094815.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> I have noticed that the Span Step function (which I like) is not "sticky" - in that every time I recycle my radio the feature, if set, is lost. That means I have to go into the menu and reset it. Surely it would be better if the feature was "sticky" like the other features?? What do you think PaulS Andy G4HUE From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 2 05:34:17 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 02:34:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox In-Reply-To: References: <54CEAA15.6000502@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54CF52A9.4010704@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,2/1/2015 10:15 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Lots of room on your desk, Hank? I've seen Hank's setup. Not on his desk, but nicely done. 73, Jim K9YC From mteberle at mchsi.com Mon Feb 2 05:40:31 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 04:40:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta software - Span Step NOT "sticky" In-Reply-To: <33324142.14285.1422873094815.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <33324142.14285.1422873094815.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <54CF541F.6020800@mchsi.com> Yes, I noticed the Step Span on mine seemed to reset after a power cycle. It also appears to be set on a per band basis. Is there is a way to set the REF LVL on a per band basis as well? Mike KI0HA On 2/2/2015 04:31, ANDY NEHAN wrote: > I have noticed that the Span Step function (which I like) is not "sticky" - in that every time I recycle my radio the feature, if set, is lost. That means I have to go into the menu and reset it. Surely it would be better if the feature was "sticky" like the other features?? > What do you think PaulS > Andy G4HUE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mteberle at mchsi.com > From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 07:38:39 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 07:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Odd behavior Message-ID: <52969FB7-983D-4668-B9D1-E8AA1EE99DB2@comcast.net> This morning I noticed something strange with #3539. On 80 & 160, tune only put out 10W. The level is set for 44W. Full output is 44W, power set to 100W. SWR with the AT in bypass is 1.3 on 80M, 1.2 on 160M. All this on ANT1. Power out on 40M & up is as expected. I connected a dummy load to ANT2, and while screwing the connector on, there was a huge jump in the volume level on the 2nd receiver. The selected antenna is still ANT1. This condition is for all bands. The main receiver performs as expected, when ANT2 is selected, noise goes down. 73, Mike NF4L From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 08:09:37 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Odd behavior In-Reply-To: <52969FB7-983D-4668-B9D1-E8AA1EE99DB2@comcast.net> References: <52969FB7-983D-4668-B9D1-E8AA1EE99DB2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3BD615A0-E03E-4B52-B75B-519766E86122@comcast.net> I did a poor job on describing the noise level jump. If I switch to ANT2, the 2nd rec. level goes WAAAY up. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 2, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > This morning I noticed something strange with #3539. On 80 & 160, tune only put out 10W. The level is set for 44W. Full output is 44W, power set to 100W. SWR with the AT in bypass is 1.3 on 80M, 1.2 on 160M. All this on ANT1. Power out on 40M & up is as expected. > > I connected a dummy load to ANT2, and while screwing the connector on, there was a huge jump in the volume level on the 2nd receiver. The selected antenna is still ANT1. This condition is for all bands. The main receiver performs as expected, when ANT2 is selected, noise goes down. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 08:37:53 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Odd behavior In-Reply-To: <3BD615A0-E03E-4B52-B75B-519766E86122@comcast.net> References: <52969FB7-983D-4668-B9D1-E8AA1EE99DB2@comcast.net> <3BD615A0-E03E-4B52-B75B-519766E86122@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5798A60F-7EDF-47DD-80FB-81A731592029@comcast.net> A TX cal seems to have taken care of the power issue. Mike NF4L > On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > I did a poor job on describing the noise level jump. If I switch to ANT2, the 2nd rec. level goes WAAAY up. > > 73, Mike NF4L > >> On Feb 2, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >> This morning I noticed something strange with #3539. On 80 & 160, tune only put out 10W. The level is set for 44W. Full output is 44W, power set to 100W. SWR with the AT in bypass is 1.3 on 80M, 1.2 on 160M. All this on ANT1. Power out on 40M & up is as expected. >> >> I connected a dummy load to ANT2, and while screwing the connector on, there was a huge jump in the volume level on the 2nd receiver. The selected antenna is still ANT1. This condition is for all bands. The main receiver performs as expected, when ANT2 is selected, noise goes down. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 09:59:40 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 07:59:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta software - Span Step NOT "sticky" In-Reply-To: <54CF541F.6020800@mchsi.com> References: <33324142.14285.1422873094815.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <54CF541F.6020800@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <1422889180321-7597826.post@n2.nabble.com> Andy & Mike, The Step Span in not remembered through a power cycle on my P3. I have different REF LVL adjustments for each band on my P3 and they stay that way through band changes and through power cycles. I power my P3 from the K3 and I do not use the P3 power button. Could that be a factor in Mike's loss of REF LVL data? 73, Mike K2MK Michael Eberle wrote > Yes, I noticed the Step Span on mine seemed to reset after a power > cycle. It also appears to be set on a per band basis. Is there is a > way to set the REF LVL on a per band basis as well? > > Mike > KI0HA > > On 2/2/2015 04:31, ANDY NEHAN wrote: >> I have noticed that the Span Step function (which I like) is not "sticky" >> - in that every time I recycle my radio the feature, if set, is lost. >> That means I have to go into the menu and reset it. Surely it would be >> better if the feature was "sticky" like the other features?? >> What do you think PaulS >> Andy G4HUE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-beta-software-Span-Step-NOT-sticky-tp7597820p7597826.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:48:35 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 Power output control problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GOOGLE "dendrites" .... plagued GE's MASTR 2-way line for many years. 73 Ken - K0PP From eric at elecraft.com Mon Feb 2 11:22:12 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:22:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Navassa K1N on the air with K3s and KPA500s Message-ID: <54CFA434.7030102@elecraft.com> The #navassa K1N Dxpedition is now on the air using our K3s and KPA500s! See: http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=K1N and http://www.navassadx.com/ 73, Eric elecraft.com From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Feb 2 12:52:05 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:52:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 beta software - Span Step NOT "sticky" In-Reply-To: <1422889180321-7597826.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <33324142.14285.1422873094815.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <54CF541F.6020800@mchsi.com> <1422889180321-7597826.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1422899525735-7597829.post@n2.nabble.com> I just checked on a newly upgraded P3/SVGA and stepped span is remembered through a power cycle. (I also checked the code just to be sure). If I turn on stepped span and then power cycle the unit and press the SPAN key, the span is in stepped mode. If I press a key that I assigned to stepped span, it shows "OFF" when I press it, which means it was previously on. The P3 (and PX3) save values to non-volatile memory when the data is changed. In other words while you are adjusting it and not when the power switch is pressed, so it doesn't matter if you pull the plug or push the button to power it off. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-beta-software-Span-Step-NOT-sticky-tp7597820p7597829.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 2 13:42:32 2015 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:42:32 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> <140746F3FCE3469BBCBB1A0FCF9A007D@DavidPC> Message-ID: <32166B5BFFD748EB843E8C635BDB6DE0@DavidPC> Thanks, Jim, that's opened out the discussion very well for me. I am not able to determine how bad this makes the performance, since the output is floating and I think hardly susceptible to common mode problems. I'm in the market for such antennas but most are outside my budget. I would like to have 2 loops (could be large loops) a half wavelength apart for diversity reception on 160 and this system with its delay line might do that economically. 2 amplified receive aerials (eg from CCW here in UK) with a phasing box would also be economical. The next on my list is the shared apex. thanks again for the link 73 David G3UNA Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna Dave, Here is the quote from W8JI Start quote"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 10-29-2011, 05:36 PM #8 W8JI Quote Originally Posted by WV6U View Post Here is one broadband RX loop design that I found very interesting and something worth trying out. Once I am done with my TX loop for 40-15m, maybe I will start with this http://lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/...op-antenna.htm I would not use that system in the link. While a good analysis, the amplifier is ground referenced. It is not a ground independent differential input. An ideal amplifier should have ZERO output if one loop terminal was open circuited. Otherwise, it has less than perfect common mode rejection. Bandwidth of the loop vs. noise is a myth. The only reasons a narrow loop bandwidth, or any antenna or amplifier bandwidth, would ever reduce noise or interference are when at least one of two conditions are met: 1.) The receiver IF filter is wider than bandwidth of the pre-receiver system. This helps because overall bandwidth is reduced. 1/2 bandwidth= 3dB less noise if the signal is still narrower than the narrowest bandwidth 2.) Something in a stage in front of the receiver narrow filter is overloading, and the system in front of the receiver is narrow enough to reduce the unwanted signal and stop or reduce the overload 73 Tom End Quote""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The link to the above quote is http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?318414-Magnetic-Loop-RX-Antennas Jim From jbollit at outlook.com Mon Feb 2 14:04:18 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:04:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: <32166B5BFFD748EB843E8C635BDB6DE0@DavidPC> References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> <140746F3FCE3469BBCBB1A0FCF9A007D@DavidPC> <32166B5BFFD748EB843E8C635BDB6DE0@DavidPC> Message-ID: David, Not sure what ur budget is. The amp in the Pixel is a Cliffton Labs design, using the Norton architecture. Jack of Cliffton labs cannot share info of the amp design, as he is under non-disclosure. He does sell a great amp, using the Norton structure, that has a gain ~ 50% of the gain of the Pixel amp. The Pixel amp and his for sale amp use the exact architecture. The interface to the amp is also well thought out. The amp is protected if you hook up a signal that goes low when the xmitter is keyed. It removes power from the loop. Take a look at Dallas Lankford's page on Yahoo groups. He has done A LOT of work in the area of low noise antennas and loops with amplifiers, and has some GREAT articles on that Yahoo group page. He discusses how to use the Cliffton amp with loops with good results. I just went and bought a Pixel, as I did not want yet another project to get 75% done and then sit. Dallas Lankford is a great resource for BCBDX and loops/low noise antennas. Also, if you "mind the gap" and account for common mode, the LZ1AQ amp would work. Again, just take note of potential CM issues. Jim -----Original Message----- From: David Cutter [mailto:d.cutter at ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 10:43 AM To: jim Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna Thanks, Jim, that's opened out the discussion very well for me. I am not able to determine how bad this makes the performance, since the output is floating and I think hardly susceptible to common mode problems. I'm in the market for such antennas but most are outside my budget. I would like to have 2 loops (could be large loops) a half wavelength apart for diversity reception on 160 and this system with its delay line might do that economically. 2 amplified receive aerials (eg from CCW here in UK) with a phasing box would also be economical. The next on my list is the shared apex. thanks again for the link 73 David G3UNA Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna Dave, Here is the quote from W8JI Start quote"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 10-29-2011, 05:36 PM #8 W8JI Quote Originally Posted by WV6U View Post Here is one broadband RX loop design that I found very interesting and something worth trying out. Once I am done with my TX loop for 40-15m, maybe I will start with this http://lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/...op-antenna.htm I would not use that system in the link. While a good analysis, the amplifier is ground referenced. It is not a ground independent differential input. An ideal amplifier should have ZERO output if one loop terminal was open circuited. Otherwise, it has less than perfect common mode rejection. Bandwidth of the loop vs. noise is a myth. The only reasons a narrow loop bandwidth, or any antenna or amplifier bandwidth, would ever reduce noise or interference are when at least one of two conditions are met: 1.) The receiver IF filter is wider than bandwidth of the pre-receiver system. This helps because overall bandwidth is reduced. 1/2 bandwidth= 3dB less noise if the signal is still narrower than the narrowest bandwidth 2.) Something in a stage in front of the receiver narrow filter is overloading, and the system in front of the receiver is narrow enough to reduce the unwanted signal and stop or reduce the overload 73 Tom End Quote""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" The link to the above quote is http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?318414-Magnetic-Loop-RX-Antennas Jim From wjubbels at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 16:15:28 2015 From: wjubbels at gmail.com (Wouter Jan Ubbels) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:15:28 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> Message-ID: Mike, I am using it with 2 loops, which are mounted at a 90 degree angle with respect to eachother. This allows me to switch direction, which is most pronounced on 160m and medium wave. The loops themselves are square rather than round (as recommended by LZ1AQ) due to mechanical constraints, furthermore each loop actually consists out of 2 loops in parallel to lower the inductance. I hardly use the dipole mode, since that almost always results in a much higher noise floor due to man made noise at my QTH. Jim, David, Regarding differential inputs, I concur with David that the diagrams published on http://active-antenna.eu/amplifier-kit/technical-documentation/ suggest that the amplifier has a differential input, so not sure which schematic you refer to Jim? 73, Wouter Jan PE4WJ On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:59 AM, jim wrote: > There was a schematic published by LZ1AQ that showed the implementation of > a loop required that one of the inputs of the amp was referenced to ground. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cutter [mailto:d.cutter at ntlworld.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:59 AM > To: Mike va3mw; jim > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Wouter Jan Ubbels > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna > > > Jim > > How did you determine that the LZ1AQ amplifier is not a differential amp? > the diagrams lead me to believe that it has differential inputs. Page 29 > shows the specification item 10 which states that the inputs are balanced. > What am I missing, where should I be looking? > > 73 > > David > G3UNA > > > >> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, jim wrote: > >> > >> > >> The LZ1AQ amplifier is NOT a differential input amp, rather it is > >> referenced to ground. > >> > >> This can have significant issues as it relates to common mode noise. > >> > >> As a result of my research, I ended up with a Pixel loop. The amp > >> has great characteristics, differential input, uses an A.C. wallwart > >> for low noise, and the install instructions isolate the amp from any > ground. > >> > >> The loop interface also has a control line input from your rig, that > >> controls an internal relay, so the amp is protected when you transmit. > >> The loop was designed by hams. > >> > >> The mechanical design of the loop is excellent, using welds at the > >> aluminum joints. > >> > >> I have no interest in the Pixel company, just a very satisfied customer. > >> So satisfied, I bought two of them and phase them with a DX > >> Engineering > >> NCC-1 phaser. > >> > >> Jim > >> W6AIM > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > >> Wouter Jan Ubbels > >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:28 PM > >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 129, Issue 41 > >> > >> Hi Paul, > >> > >> I can recommend LZ1AQ?s active loop antenna. > >> See > >> > >> http://active-antenna.eu/ > >> > >> It offers a nice variety of antenna configuration options, and it > >> plays very well here as a separate RX antenna at my urban & noisy > >> QTH. The unit is of high quality, and very well documented. > >> I am using it with my KX3 and a homebrew switchbox which uses reed > >> relays for QSK switching, controlled by the KX3 PTT output taken from > >> the ACC2 jack. > >> > >> 73, > >> > >> Wouter Jan PE4WJ > >> > >> > >> > >>> Message: 2 > >>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:15:32 +0000 > >>> From: Paul Barlow > >>> To: > >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Separate Receiving Antenna > >>> Message-ID: > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>> > >>> Dear Elecrafters, > >>> > >>> I have a very small and odd shaped garden in which to play Ham Radio. > >>> I have a K3 (and a K2 and... ), I run QRP CW and I was wondering if > >>> anyone had experience of using active loop antennas as receiving > >>> antennas to lower the noise floor. I was looking at Wellbrook's > >>> Website this afternoon, and I see that their loops get good reviews > >>> on EHam. I was wondering what experience you guys might have with > >>> these and similar antennas. > >>> > >>> 73, Paul EI5KI > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> jbollit at outlook.com > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> va3mw at portcredit.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > d.cutter at ntlworld.com > > > From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Mon Feb 2 16:47:40 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:47:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Any good/clear "How To" docs on adding the N1MM+ software for Winkey usb smt to my k3+p3 station for windows 7? Message-ID: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> The K3 build went nicely, no errors; same for the P3. Now just built Winkey usb smt to go with N1MM+ to add to the station for contesting. The keyer kit itself is working just fine as standalone keyer into K3. However, I'm finding the documentation for integrating N1MM+ the my Dell system 7.0 and keyer with the K3/P3 a bit much. Here I mean integrating the N1MM+ software with the above. I'd describe the docs as "circular." I'm going in circles. I think I have the hardware hooked up right; that is, the Dell recognizes the serial ports, the USB and COM. What's of question is the setup/config of the software for SO2V. 73! and am age 73, hi, W0XI --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 2 17:30:05 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:30:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Any good/clear "How To" docs on adding the N1MM+ software for Winkey usb smt to my k3+p3 station for windows 7? In-Reply-To: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> References: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <54CFFA6D.5030201@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/2/2015 1:47 PM, Phil Anderson wrote: > However, I'm finding the documentation for integrating N1MM+ the my > Dell system 7.0 and keyer with the K3/P3 a bit much. The N1MM+ install is pretty straightforward, and usually goes pretty easily. You must first do the basic install, then reboot and install the latest version. When you start N1MM+, it will ask for your call, name, and other vital info. Once that's done, go to Config Tab, select the top option, and plug in the info for what serial port your rig is on. If you're using a USB to serial converter, you'll have to use Control Panel to figure out what serial port it is on. You will also need to know what serial port the WinKey has been assigned to. Go to this link, click on Documents, then study Getting Started. http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Document+Home As with any serial control, make sure that the computer and the radio are set to the same Baud Rate (Long Push Menu on the K3, Configure for the port in N1MM+). 38400 is the best choice. N1MM+ is very user friendly, very well written. Join the email reflector for excellent support. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Feb 2 17:30:46 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 14:30:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Any good/clear "How To" docs on adding the N1MM+ software for Winkey usb smt to my k3+p3 station for windows 7? In-Reply-To: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> References: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <54CFFA96.1020401@foothill.net> Consulting Vol XLIX of my station notebook: In the menus at the top of the Entry Window, go to Config.Configure Ports etc. -- In Hardware tab: -- In the first line, select the COM port for the K3 CAT connection -- Select "Elecraft K3" from the "Radio" drop down list -- Leave Digi and CW/Other unchecked -- Click on Set and select 38400, 8, N, 1, Always OFF, Always OFF. Everything else is default. Click OK -- In second line, select COM port for the WinKey -- Radio=none, Digi=unchecked -- Check CW/Other -- Click on Set, and select Always OFF, Always OFF. Check Winkey. Click OK -- In Winkey tab: -- Select options you want -- Set Keying compensation=8 -- "OK" until you're out of Configuration -- Call CQ 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/2/2015 1:47 PM, Phil Anderson wrote: > The K3 build went nicely, no errors; same for the P3. Now just built > Winkey usb smt to go with N1MM+ to add to the station for contesting. > The keyer kit itself is working just fine as standalone keyer into K3. > > However, I'm finding the documentation for integrating N1MM+ the my Dell > system 7.0 and keyer with the K3/P3 a bit much. Here I mean integrating > the N1MM+ software with the above. I'd describe the docs as "circular." > I'm going in circles. I think I have the hardware hooked up right; that > is, the Dell recognizes the serial ports, the USB and COM. What's of > question is the setup/config of the software for SO2V. From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 18:04:07 2015 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:04:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1: I Killed My Rig Message-ID: <1422918247803-7597836.post@n2.nabble.com> While doing some rework, a hot lead fell out of my hand and dropped on the board. A few segments on the display lit up briefly and then an eerie silence. Except for the little map light, nothing works. I've checked the DC voltages on the IC's and voltage regulators and the only voltages I can find out of limit are on U1: pin 7: 0 and should be 1.4 pin 23: .3 and should be 4.9 pin 25: .5 and should be 5.0 It would appear that the MCU is blown although I can't quite see how these pins could keep the display from working. The hot lead dropped down in the physical between the 3 blue buttons and the MCU. I've verified that the xtal oscillator that drives the MCU is running. Before I order a new MCU, are there any other components that I might have blown due to carelessness that I can check? 72, Clark/WU4B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-I-Killed-My-Rig-tp7597836.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 18:58:39 2015 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:58:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Use of Tascam US-322 with Laptop Message-ID: <1422921519876-7597837.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a Tascam US-322 Audio Interface that works well with my K3 and desktop computer. I have tried to use it with my laptops for portable ops but they do not have enough power to run the interface. Is there a way to power the interface apart from the usual USB computer connection? I would also like to use the interface for some audio recording. Thanks, Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Use-of-Tascam-US-322-with-Laptop-tp7597837.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ericmanning11 at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 19:05:19 2015 From: ericmanning11 at gmail.com (eric manning) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:05:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton labs Message-ID: We bought a short lo-band E-field whip with pre-amp from Clifton Labs a few months ago, and two circular antennas a few weeks ago. All are well-built and the whip has performed well; it feeds the VE7AB RBN node. The circular antennas are still being tested. Eric VA7DZ __________________ Eric Manning 250 386 8039 [home] 250 812 5316 [mobile] From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 2 19:05:39 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 00:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - How do I Calibrate the S Meter for Two Meters? Message-ID: <562507024.723561.1422921939750.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have calibrated the S-Meter on HF but on 2-meters (via the internal transverter) the S-Meters reads high. I have looked through the manual and the menu settings and I'm unable to locate the setting to adjust the S-Meter for 2 Meters. Can someone point me to the correct place. Thank you From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Feb 2 19:42:45 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:42:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: K3 and Johnson Matchbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great group! I'd like the readers of this reflector to know that I received several replies to my post, with 12 pictures, and most impressive; three others volunteered to remove the case from their tuners to photograph the coils for me. That is a tedious job. K3KO suggested that some people would move a tap for the 30 meter band and I could test for it without removing the case. Per his suggestion, I had a 200 ohm 10 watt resistor and tied it across the output of the tuner and tested the 40 and 20 meter band for matching to a 1:1. It was fine. My first Matchbox (years ago) matched open wire like a slam dunk. This one is different, but so is the antenna. So, I needed to verify. Thanks to all, Dick, n0ce From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Feb 2 20:45:35 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop Message-ID: Decided to try the latest beta P3 firmware. All loaded including FPGA. SVGA output is frozen and P3 is updating very slowly. When I turn the SVGA display enable off the P3 behaves "normally" with a proper update rate. I've removed power from the P3 completely and restarted it with no improvement. Is there something else I need to do? It was working well before this. jim ab3cv From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 2 21:39:18 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:39:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1: I Killed My Rig In-Reply-To: <1422918247803-7597836.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422918247803-7597836.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D034D6.3040205@embarqmail.com> Clark, U1 pin 7 is the VSMTR signal and the voltage source comes from the product detector U5 pin 2. Either the product detector is damaged or U1 pin 7 has a shorted input. To check which, remove U1 and bend pin 7 out a bit, then plug it back into the socket with pin 7 hanging on the outside. If U5 pin 2 (and pin 1) are then at 1.4 volts, U5 is likely OK. U1 pins 21 through 28 drive the display directly, so that is why the display is garbage. Specifically pin 23 drives segment C and pin 25 drives segment E - those are the two vertical bars on either side of the lower portion of the display. Yes, I would replace U1, and if the test above shows U5 is damaged, replace it as well. Generally the SA612 ICs are quite hardy, but yes damage can occur just the same. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/2/2015 6:04 PM, engineercm wrote: > While doing some rework, a hot lead fell out of my hand and dropped on the > board. A few segments on the display lit up briefly and then an eerie > silence. Except for the little map light, nothing works. I've checked the > DC voltages on the IC's and voltage regulators and the only voltages I can > find out of limit are on U1: > > pin 7: 0 and should be 1.4 > pin 23: .3 and should be 4.9 > pin 25: .5 and should be 5.0 > > It would appear that the MCU is blown although I can't quite see how these > pins could keep the display from working. The hot lead dropped down in the > physical between the 3 blue buttons and the MCU. I've verified that the > xtal oscillator that drives the MCU is running. > > Before I order a new MCU, are there any other components that I might have > blown due to carelessness that I can check? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 2 22:55:26 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:55:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Use of Tascam US-322 with Laptop In-Reply-To: <1422921519876-7597837.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422921519876-7597837.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D046AE.8050505@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/2/2015 3:58 PM, KK5IB wrote: > I have tried to use it with my laptops for portable ops but they > do not have enough power to run the interface. Is there a way to power the > interface apart from the usual USB computer connection? Two suggestions. First, try a different port on the laptop. Sometimes one port has more power available than another. Second, try a powered USB hub. My Tascam US100 and Numark stereo IO both power quite nicely from my T4x-series laptops. 73, Jim K9YC From kk5ib01 at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 23:16:29 2015 From: kk5ib01 at gmail.com (KK5IB) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:16:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Use of Tascam US-322 with Laptop In-Reply-To: <54D046AE.8050505@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1422921519876-7597837.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D046AE.8050505@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1422936989358-7597846.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for suggestions. Problem was that the software and drivers had to be installed before connecting the interface. Found that out by reading the manual. Works fine now. Darryl, KK5IB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Use-of-Tascam-US-322-with-Laptop-tp7597837p7597846.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 2 23:30:56 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Use of Tascam US-322 with Laptop In-Reply-To: <1422936989358-7597846.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422921519876-7597837.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D046AE.8050505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1422936989358-7597846.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D04F00.9050003@embarqmail.com> Yes, it always helps to read the manual! Even for the coffeemaker - they *used* to be so simple. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/2/2015 11:16 PM, KK5IB wrote: > Thanks for suggestions. Problem was that the software and drivers had to be > installed before connecting the interface. Found that out by reading the > manual. Works fine now. > From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 23:46:45 2015 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:46:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1: I Killed My Rig Message-ID: Thanks, Don. I'm ordering U1 and U5. The display is completely dead--no segments. I also see I erred in reporting that all other voltages were ok. U5 pins 1 & 2 measured 0.0. Don't know how I missed that but it makes sense as the receiver is dead. Clark/WU4B On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] < ml-node+s365791n7597844h1 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > Clark, > > U1 pin 7 is the VSMTR signal and the voltage source comes from the > product detector U5 pin 2. > Either the product detector is damaged or U1 pin 7 has a shorted input. > To check which, remove U1 and bend pin 7 out a bit, then plug it back > into the socket with pin 7 hanging on the outside. > If U5 pin 2 (and pin 1) are then at 1.4 volts, U5 is likely OK. > > U1 pins 21 through 28 drive the display directly, so that is why the > display is garbage. Specifically pin 23 drives segment C and pin 25 > drives segment E - those are the two vertical bars on either side of the > lower portion of the display. > > Yes, I would replace U1, and if the test above shows U5 is damaged, > replace it as well. Generally the SA612 ICs are quite hardy, but yes > damage can occur just the same. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/2/2015 6:04 PM, engineercm wrote: > > > While doing some rework, a hot lead fell out of my hand and dropped on > the > > board. A few segments on the display lit up briefly and then an eerie > > silence. Except for the little map light, nothing works. I've checked > the > > DC voltages on the IC's and voltage regulators and the only voltages I > can > > find out of limit are on U1: > > > > pin 7: 0 and should be 1.4 > > pin 23: .3 and should be 4.9 > > pin 25: .5 and should be 5.0 > > > > It would appear that the MCU is blown although I can't quite see how > these > > pins could keep the display from working. The hot lead dropped down in > the > > physical between the 3 blue buttons and the MCU. I've verified that the > > xtal oscillator that drives the MCU is running. > > > > Before I order a new MCU, are there any other components that I might > have > > blown due to carelessness that I can check? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-I-Killed-My-Rig-tp7597836p7597844.html > To unsubscribe from KX1: I Killed My Rig, click here > > . > NAML > > -- 72, Clark WU4B QRPARCI #10815 SKCC #3892 Southeastern DX Club North Georgia QRP Club Kennehoochee Amateur Radio Club *"It is vain to do with more what can be done with less."* *Attributed to *William of Occam (1288 AD - 1348 AD) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-KX1-I-Killed-My-Rig-tp7597848.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc6cnn at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 01:52:54 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 00:52:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I could not use the latest beta either. I had to go one beta back. Gerald KC6CNN On Feb 2, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jim Miller" wrote: > Decided to try the latest beta P3 firmware. All loaded including FPGA. > > SVGA output is frozen and P3 is updating very slowly. > > When I turn the SVGA display enable off the P3 behaves "normally" with a > proper update rate. > > I've removed power from the P3 completely and restarted it with no > improvement. > > Is there something else I need to do? > > It was working well before this. > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Feb 3 08:19:27 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 08:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I reloaded the current non-beta version. Not having P3 working is not worth playing with betas. jim ab3cv On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > I could not use the latest beta either. I had to go one beta back. > Gerald KC6CNN > On Feb 2, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jim Miller" wrote: > >> Decided to try the latest beta P3 firmware. All loaded including FPGA. >> >> SVGA output is frozen and P3 is updating very slowly. >> >> When I turn the SVGA display enable off the P3 behaves "normally" with a >> proper update rate. >> >> I've removed power from the P3 completely and restarted it with no >> improvement. >> >> Is there something else I need to do? >> >> It was working well before this. >> >> jim ab3cv >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com >> > From kt5d at charter.net Tue Feb 3 08:21:26 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 08:21:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW text decode question Message-ID: <88D9187C-5A8E-4465-BD22-170DB0816BDB@charter.net> I have the K3 and KX3. I want to practice sending code with an old bug I haven't used in years. To verify that what I am sending is half way accurate my idea was to put either radio's transmitter in "TEST" and enable cw decode mode. Will either radio decode cw not sent with the internal keyer? If it will not, can anyone suggest a code reader that will do what I want? The device doesn't need to display multiple lines of text, just a few words will do. Thanks in advance. From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 08:28:10 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:28:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No doubt this is being carefully read by Elecraft! I just want to add my 'bug' that the NB setting is not 'sticky' on the external display. Otherwise, for me at least, the latest beta appears to do its job. Clearly, YMMV! 73 Stephen G4SJP On 3 February 2015 at 13:19, Jim Miller wrote: > I reloaded the current non-beta version. Not having P3 working is not worth > playing with betas. > > jim ab3cv > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > I could not use the latest beta either. I had to go one beta back. > > Gerald KC6CNN > > On Feb 2, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jim Miller" wrote: > > > >> Decided to try the latest beta P3 firmware. All loaded including FPGA. > >> > >> SVGA output is frozen and P3 is updating very slowly. > >> > >> When I turn the SVGA display enable off the P3 behaves "normally" with a > >> proper update rate. > >> > >> I've removed power from the P3 completely and restarted it with no > >> improvement. > >> > >> Is there something else I need to do? > >> > >> It was working well before this. > >> > >> jim ab3cv > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 3 08:34:56 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW text decode question In-Reply-To: <88D9187C-5A8E-4465-BD22-170DB0816BDB@charter.net> References: <88D9187C-5A8E-4465-BD22-170DB0816BDB@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D0CE80.2070207@embarqmail.com> Put the K3 into TX TEST (Hold right side of MODE button). On the KX3, turn the power to zero. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/3/2015 8:21 AM, GDR wrote: > I have the K3 and KX3. I want to practice sending code with an old bug I haven't used in years. > To verify that what I am sending is half way accurate my idea was to put either radio's transmitter in "TEST" and enable cw decode mode. Will either radio decode cw not sent with the internal keyer? If it will not, can anyone suggest a code reader that will do what I want? The device doesn't need to display multiple lines of text, just a few words will do. Thanks in advance. > > From kd0neo at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 09:28:37 2015 From: kd0neo at gmail.com (Wayne gmachl) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 08:28:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & KX3 using WriteLog Message-ID: I have the K3 (5070) and now have the KX3 (7209). I need to get the K3 and the KX3 to work with Writelog. What do I need to do? Wayne KD0NEO From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Tue Feb 3 10:33:06 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:33:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Any good/clear "How To" docs on adding the N1MM+ software for Winkey usb smt to my k3+p3 station for windows 7? In-Reply-To: <54CFFA96.1020401@foothill.net> References: <54CFF07C.30302@sunflower.com> <54CFFA96.1020401@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54D0EA32.1040104@sunflower.com> TNX Fred! I followed your entry checklist and was calling CQ within 15 minutes! Now on the reading the documents in more detail. 73! Phil, W0XI > Fred Jensen > Monday, February 02, 2015 4:30 PM > > Consulting Vol XLIX of my station notebook: > > In the menus at the top of the Entry Window, go to Config.Configure > Ports etc. > > -- In Hardware tab: > > -- In the first line, select the COM port for the K3 CAT connection > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Feb 3 11:07:31 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:07:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] CW text decode question In-Reply-To: <88D9187C-5A8E-4465-BD22-170DB0816BDB@charter.net> References: <88D9187C-5A8E-4465-BD22-170DB0816BDB@charter.net> Message-ID: <1422979651973-7597856.post@n2.nabble.com> You can also use the KX3 utility to decode sent text ( need to use command mode to set up) as it will display long strings of text. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-text-decode-question-tp7597851p7597856.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From montys at mindspring.com Tue Feb 3 12:26:08 2015 From: montys at mindspring.com (MontyS) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K1N OPERATING TIME ES FREQ. Message-ID: <9D635C44D5A64E2FBD301847C55C7660@OfficePCNUC> From: Don WILSON Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: K1N OPERATING TIME ES FREQ. K1N OPERATING TIME ES FREQ. > > K1N - NAVASSA ISLAND - The Navassa Island DXpedition has been reported > > >as follows over the last 18 hours (starting with the most recent time today): > > > > > >GMT - Frequencies > > >--- ----------- > > >12 10.131 (RTTY), 18.071, 21.205 > > >11 1.817, 10.131 (RTTY), 21.205 > > >10 1.817, 10.104 > > >09 1.819, 10.104 > > >08 1.819 > > >07 1.819 > > >06 1.819, 10.109 > > >05 1.819, 10.109 > > >04 1.819, 10.110 > > >03 1.819, 10.110, 21.205 > > >02 1.819, 10.110, 14.023, 21.205 > > >01 1.827, 10.109, 14.023, 18.083, 21.205 > > >00 10.109, 14.023, 18.155, 21.205 > > >23 10.111, 14.023, 18.155, 21.205 > > >22 18.155, 21.205 > > >21 18.155, 21.205 > > >20 18.155, 21.205 > > >19 14.023, 18.155, 21.205 > > >18 14.023, 18.155, 21.205 > > >____________________ > ______________________________________________________________ > ETSList mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/etslist > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:ETSList at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From kt5d at charter.net Tue Feb 3 12:53:54 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 12:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again Message-ID: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> I know how to get the K3 and the KX3 to decode and display text, both sending and receiving, using the internal keyer and off-the-air signals. What I need is for either radio to do it NOT using the internal keyer. I also know I could send radio-to-radio but I would rather not do that. Can anyone suggest an alternative method? Or, where can I get a third party code reader that I can connect a bug straight into? From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:10:47 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again In-Reply-To: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> References: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D10F27.9030204@embarqmail.com> Feed the sidetone audio to an external morse decoder - such as the K1EL K42 73, Don W3FPR On 2/3/2015 12:53 PM, GDR wrote: > I know how to get the K3 and the KX3 to decode and display text, both sending and receiving, using the internal keyer and off-the-air signals. What I need is for either radio to do it NOT using the internal keyer. I also know I could send radio-to-radio but I would rather not do that. Can anyone suggest an alternative method? Or, where can I get a third party code reader that I can connect a bug straight into? > > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 3 13:13:55 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:13:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Anyone use MFJ Noise Canceler for PC noise? Message-ID: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> Off topic quick question. Hi Gang. For a quick question.... Does anyone know of someone who is using the MFJ noise canceler to deal with local computer noise? I'm wondering if it would be a realistic expectation? Or perhaps you have other ways you have reduced PC noise in the shack? I'm finding PC noise very noticeable on 80 meters. Thanks N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From valvetbone at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:22:28 2015 From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Anyone use MFJ Noise Canceler for PC noise? In-Reply-To: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I use the MFJ-1026 noise canceler. It works well on 14 MHz and above, but not as well on 7 MHz and below. I have noise from a toaster around 14.05 MHz, and it takes that out completely. Mainly though, I use it to take out power line noise. Make sure you use a good noise pickup antenna, not the short vertical antenna supplied with the unit. I also did the mod to swap inputs, which allows a greater phase shift range. 73, Art WB8ENE On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM, dw wrote: > Off topic quick question. > > Hi Gang. > For a quick question.... > Does anyone know of someone who is using the MFJ noise canceler to deal > with local computer noise? > I'm wondering if it would be a realistic expectation? > Or perhaps you have other ways you have reduced PC noise in the shack? > I'm finding PC noise very noticeable on 80 meters. > > Thanks > N1BBR > -- > Bw_dw at fastmail.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 3 13:37:24 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:37:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Anyone use MFJ Noise Canceler for PC noise? In-Reply-To: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <54D11564.6060909@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/3/2015 10:13 AM, dw wrote: > Or perhaps you have other ways you have reduced PC noise in the shack? Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and start with the chokes described there on every cable attached to the computer, the monitor, the printer, and the power cables for these devices. Every one of those cables has the potential to radiate trash from that equipment. 73, Jim K9YC From cyaffey at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:43:48 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:43:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Anyone use MFJ Noise Canceler for PC noise? In-Reply-To: <54D11564.6060909@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54D11564.6060909@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <6D62F1FB-1531-4152-920C-5C615486C769@gmail.com> I have a JPS ANC-4 for sale if interested. > On Feb 3, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Tue,2/3/2015 10:13 AM, dw wrote: >> Or perhaps you have other ways you have reduced PC noise in the shack? > > Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and start with the chokes described there on every cable attached to the computer, the monitor, the printer, and the power cables for these devices. Every one of those cables has the potential to radiate trash from that equipment. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cyaffey at gmail.com Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 3 13:53:07 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:53:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Anyone use MFJ Noise Canceler for PC noise? In-Reply-To: <6D62F1FB-1531-4152-920C-5C615486C769@gmail.com> References: <1422987235.3373844.222612105.5E46F278@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54D11564.6060909@audiosystemsgroup.com> <6D62F1FB-1531-4152-920C-5C615486C769@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D11913.2060800@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/3/2015 10:43 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote: > I have a JPS ANC-4 for sale if interested. Be VERY careful with the ANC-4. When I first moved here 8 years ago, I put one in line with the output of my transceiver. My contesting neighbor, K6XX complained that I was broad, so we immediately worked to zero in on the cause. It turned out to be the RF detection circuit in the ANC-4. This unit works OK at the RX antenna patch point, but you will be a very bad neighbor if you try to use it on the output of your rig. 73, Jim K9YC From arsk2rny at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:53:51 2015 From: arsk2rny at gmail.com (Carey Magee) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 13:53:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again In-Reply-To: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> References: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi: Yes. I found out the same when I added my bug to the K3. Paddle connected to paddle input and bug connected to Key input. When engaging CW Text Decode function I can see my send code using the paddle, no problem. I see nothing when I use the bug. I didn't see a config or menu setting that pertained to this, so I am thinking that, no, you cannot see your cw decode when using anything other than the paddle. Thanks. 73, Carey, K2RNY Rochester New York Grid: FN13ef On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:53 PM, GDR wrote: > I know how to get the K3 and the KX3 to decode and display text, both > sending and receiving, using the internal keyer and off-the-air signals. > What I need is for either radio to do it NOT using the internal keyer. I > also know I could send radio-to-radio but I would rather not do that. Can > anyone suggest an alternative method? Or, where can I get a third party > code reader that I can connect a bug straight into? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 3 13:57:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 18:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] ERR BP2 Message-ID: <1919240963.1023842.1422989841060.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?When I turn on my K3 I get a ERR BP2? message across the bottom of the read out.. What is it telling me??? 73s Bob W5RG From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 3 15:11:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] ERR BP FIXED Message-ID: <1353077546.1036466.1422994260838.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ? THANKS GUY'S? THAT FIXED IT..I have had the radio 10 days and love it, lots to learn?? 73s Bob W5RG From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 3 15:16:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Keith Ennis via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Message-ID: <171022808.1702946.1422994578289.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?I still have a SVGA board for sale. ?Only used about 5 hours.Sold the P3 without it.??P3SVGA P3 Video/FFT adapter ? $230.00 PLUS $5.00 shipping to lower 48 States??Keith, KV5J, XE3/K5ENS nelasat at yahoo.comkeith@kathyandkeith.mx From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:18:35 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:18:35 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR BP2 In-Reply-To: <1919240963.1023842.1422989841060.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1919240963.1023842.1422989841060.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks like it can?t talk to the KBPF3 general coverage receiver option. Do you have one installed? If not, make sure the KBPF3 config menu is disabled. Otherwise, maybe try reseating the module? If you still see the error, it would be worthwhile to contact Elecraft customer support. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 4 Feb 2015, at 5:57 am, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > > When I turn on my K3 I get a ERR BP2 message across the bottom of the read out.. What is it telling me? 73s Bob W5RG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:24:49 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 15:24:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: W2 Wattmeter Message-ID: I have for sale an excellent condition W2 wattmeter with the 1.8-54 MHz 2 KW sensor, plus all relevant cables. I built it myself from kit and am the original owner. It has been in a non-smoking shack and works and looks excellently. It is now extra to my needs. Asking $220 shipped, Lower 48 only, please. I'll reduce the price to $210 for anyone who is interested and can pick up locally in the northern suburbs of Atlanta. Cash or personal check accepted, with the meter to ship after the check clears the bank. Please reply off-list to km4ik (dot) ian (at) gmail (dot) com with any questions or to purchase. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From n1al at sonic.net Tue Feb 3 16:06:01 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:06:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again In-Reply-To: References: <3F2F4460-B243-40D3-8817-0CB76DB8B1A6@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D13839.3060102@sonic.net> You could just send CW with the KX3 into a dummy load and receive it on the K3. Readout could be either on the K3 front panel or using K3 Utility. Alan N1AL On 02/03/2015 10:53 AM, Carey Magee wrote: > Hi: > > Yes. I found out the same when I added my bug to the K3. Paddle connected > to paddle input and bug connected to Key input. When engaging CW Text > Decode function I can see my send code using the paddle, no problem. I see > nothing when I use the bug. I didn't see a config or menu setting that > pertained to this, so I am thinking that, no, you cannot see your cw decode > when using anything other than the paddle. > > Thanks. > > 73, > Carey, K2RNY > Rochester New York > Grid: FN13ef > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:53 PM, GDR wrote: > >> I know how to get the K3 and the KX3 to decode and display text, both >> sending and receiving, using the internal keyer and off-the-air signals. >> What I need is for either radio to do it NOT using the internal keyer. I >> also know I could send radio-to-radio but I would rather not do that. Can >> anyone suggest an alternative method? Or, where can I get a third party >> code reader that I can connect a bug straight into? >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From kt5d at charter.net Tue Feb 3 17:17:16 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:17:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again Message-ID: <1D37D4C8-D7EF-4201-87C5-56833FDF3498@charter.net> Apparently there currently is no way to decode cw text sent from the KEY line on either the K3 or the KX3 vfo B display.. It seems likely lots of folks are using external keyers with these radios, keyers that do connect to the KEY line input. I wonder if this could be added as a feature for a future software upgrade? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 3 22:39:16 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 03:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dedicated RX antenna Message-ID: <1764649767.1168779.1423021156470.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm looking to add a Dedicated RX antenna to listen between 100kHz and 30 MHz (for Ham and LF/SW) I have heard some talk about the Pixel Loop antenna, is it the one to go with or is there a better option. Thank you From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 06:46:08 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 12:46:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Looking for a Z10000B Message-ID: I'm looking to acquire a Clifton Labs Z10000B kit or ready built is OK. Anyone? 73, Deni - F5VJC From w2up at comcast.net Wed Feb 4 08:04:07 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 06:04:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Navassa K1N on the air with K3s and KPA500s In-Reply-To: <54CFA434.7030102@elecraft.com> References: <54CFA434.7030102@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1423055047097-7597876.post@n2.nabble.com> Their adios must be working, as they copied my puny signal! Eric, a feature request for the next firmware update: A digitally encoded signature in the CW transmission so K3s can recognize each other. This along with an algorithm to mute non-K3 signals, so we can work them first :-) Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Navassa-K1N-on-the-air-with-K3s-and-KPA500s-tp7597828p7597876.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 11:21:52 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 08:21:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Navassa K1N on the air with K3s and KPA500s In-Reply-To: <1423055047097-7597876.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <54CFA434.7030102@elecraft.com> <1423055047097-7597876.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: And a lid filter... 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 4, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Barry wrote: > > Their adios must be working, as they copied my puny signal! > > Eric, a feature request for the next firmware update: > A digitally encoded signature in the CW transmission so K3s can recognize > each other. This along with an algorithm to mute non-K3 signals, so we can > work them first :-) > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Navassa-K1N-on-the-air-with-K3s-and-KPA500s-tp7597828p7597876.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From davidahrendts at me.com Wed Feb 4 13:14:21 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free Message-ID: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html?? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY David A., KC0XT David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:19:35 2015 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 12:19:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> Message-ID: Better yet ... download it free from the source ... https://www.google.com/earth/ Nick N1KMP David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: > Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY > > David A., KC0XT > > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com From davidahrendts at me.com Wed Feb 4 13:23:15 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:23:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> Message-ID: Now to get it to auto-locate to the exact QTH in a real time QSO! Would that be cool. :?) > On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: > > Better yet ... download it free from the source ... https://www.google.com/earth/ > > Nick > N1KMP > > David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >> >> David A., KC0XT >> >> >> >> >> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From w1ksz at earthlink.net Wed Feb 4 13:33:44 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> Message-ID: <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> I installed it, but it would not run, said my License Key ?? was invalid. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/4/2015 11:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: > Better yet ... download it free from the source ... > https://www.google.com/earth/ > > Nick > N1KMP > > David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. >> http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? >> pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >> >> >> David A., KC0XT >> >> >> >> >> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From davidahrendts at me.com Wed Feb 4 13:39:06 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:39:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Download page instructions: Sign up is no longer required for Google Earth Pro. Click here to download Earth Pro, then sign in using your email address and the License Key GEPFREE. If you cut-pasted, exclude the period. :?) > On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: > > I installed it, but it would not run, said my License Key ?? was invalid. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > > On 2/4/2015 11:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >> Better yet ... download it free from the source ... https://www.google.com/earth/ >> >> Nick >> N1KMP >> >> David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >>> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >>> >>> David A., KC0XT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 4 14:49:56 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 19:49:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? Message-ID: Just built my PX3 and it works nicely, however I have a quick question - I can see a red LED flashing inside, have searched for any mention of this, is this normal? 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 4 14:56:47 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:56:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> Message-ID: <54D2797F.5010508@subich.com> > Now to get it to auto-locate to the exact QTH in a real time QSO! > Would that be cool. :?) Already available in DXLab Suite (DXView component) and has been for a couple years. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-04 1:23 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Now to get it to auto-locate to the exact QTH in a real time QSO! Would that be cool. :?) > > >> On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >> >> Better yet ... download it free from the source ... https://www.google.com/earth/ >> >> Nick >> N1KMP >> >> David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >>> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >>> >>> David A., KC0XT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dking at vcn.com Wed Feb 4 15:00:55 2015 From: dking at vcn.com (David King) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:00:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free In-Reply-To: References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54D27A77.7070908@vcn.com> Only trouble with Pro being free is...Google Earth is going dark Dec 31st, 2015. From the Google Developers Blog: Announcing deprecation of the Google Earth API Over six years ago we introduced the Google Earth API , enabling developers to build rich 3D mapping applications in the browser, using JavaScript. And over the years, developers have built quite a number of fascinating applications. However, the Earth API is built on a technology called the NPAPI plugin framework , and recently, for security reasons, both Chrome and Firefox have announced they?re removing support for this framework. These security reasons, combined with dwindling cross-platform support (particularly on mobile devices), had made building applications that leverage the Earth API untenable for developers. Therefore, after careful consideration, we have decided to retire the Google Earth API. Per our deprecation policy , the API will be supported until one year from today and will be turned off on December 12, 2015. For the duration of the deprecation period, the set of supported browsers is as follows. Because of the recent Chrome and Firefox announcements, support on those browsers extends only to the latest browser version that supports NPAPI. * Microsoft Windows (XP, Vista, 7, and 8) o Google Chrome 5.0-39.0 (32-bit) o Internet Explorer 7-9, and 10-11 with Compatibility View (32-bit) (Note that the Windows 8 browsing mode with Internet Explorer does not support plugins.) o Firefox 11.0-34.0 * Apple Mac OS X 10.6 or later (any Intel Mac) o Google Chrome 5.0-39.0 (32-bit) o Safari 3.1+ o Firefox 11.0-34 Google Earth has a proud legacy, which continues with the new Google Earth for Android , powered by a brand new renderer. 3D is in our blood, and while we can?t announce anything just now, we look forward to sharing more exciting product news in the future. Posted by Ken Hoetmer , Product Manager, Google Maps APIs On 2/4/2015 11:39 AM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Download page instructions: > Sign up is no longer required for Google Earth Pro. Click here to download Earth Pro, then sign in using your email address and the License Key GEPFREE. > If you cut-pasted, exclude the period. :?) > >> On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: >> >> I installed it, but it would not run, said my License Key ?? was invalid. >> >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >> >> >> On 2/4/2015 11:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >>> Better yet ... download it free from the source ... https://www.google.com/earth/ >>> >>> Nick >>> N1KMP >>> >>> David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >>>> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >>>> >>>> David A., KC0XT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dking at vcn.com From dking at vcn.com Wed Feb 4 15:02:57 2015 From: dking at vcn.com (David King) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:02:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth going dark In-Reply-To: <54D27A77.7070908@vcn.com> References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> <54D27A77.7070908@vcn.com> Message-ID: <54D27AF1.1030707@vcn.com> Oops...I had the date wrong. December 12th, 2015 On 2/4/2015 1:00 PM, David King wrote: > Only trouble with Pro being free is...Google Earth is going dark Dec > 31st, 2015. > > From the Google Developers Blog: > > Announcing deprecation of the Google Earth API > > Over six years ago we introduced > > the Google Earth API > , enabling > developers to build rich 3D mapping applications in the browser, > using JavaScript. And over the years, developers have built quite a > number of fascinating applications. > > However, the Earth API is built on a technology called the NPAPI > plugin framework , and recently, > for security reasons, both Chrome > and > Firefox > > have announced they?re removing support for this framework. These > security reasons, combined with dwindling cross-platform support > (particularly on mobile devices), had made building applications > that leverage the Earth API untenable for developers. > > Therefore, after careful consideration, we have decided to retire > the Google Earth API. Per our deprecation policy > , the API will be > supported until one year from today and will be turned off on > December 12, 2015. > > For the duration of the deprecation period, the set of supported > browsers is as follows. Because of the recent Chrome and Firefox > announcements, support on those browsers extends only to the latest > browser version that supports NPAPI. > > * Microsoft Windows (XP, Vista, 7, and 8) > o Google Chrome 5.0-39.0 (32-bit) > o Internet Explorer 7-9, and 10-11 with Compatibility View > (32-bit) (Note that the Windows 8 browsing mode > > with Internet Explorer does not support plugins.) > o Firefox 11.0-34.0 > * Apple Mac OS X 10.6 or later (any Intel Mac) > o Google Chrome 5.0-39.0 (32-bit) > o Safari 3.1+ > o Firefox 11.0-34 > > Google Earth has a proud legacy, which continues with the new Google > Earth for Android > , > powered by a brand new renderer. 3D is in our blood, and while we > can?t announce anything just now, we look forward to sharing more > exciting product news in the future. > > Posted by Ken Hoetmer > , Product > Manager, Google Maps APIs > > > On 2/4/2015 11:39 AM, David Ahrendts wrote: >> Download page instructions: >> Sign up is no longer required for Google Earth Pro. Click here >> to download >> Earth Pro, then sign in using your email address and the License Key >> GEPFREE. >> If you cut-pasted, exclude the period. :?) >> >>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Richard Solomon >>> wrote: >>> >>> I installed it, but it would not run, said my License Key ?? was >>> invalid. >>> >>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ >>> >>> >>> On 2/4/2015 11:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >>>> Better yet ... download it free from the source ... >>>> https://www.google.com/earth/ >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> N1KMP >>>> >>>> David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >>>>> Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free. >>>>> http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html >>>>> ? pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David A., KC0XT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dking at vcn.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dking at vcn.com From ormandj at corenode.com Wed Feb 4 15:06:42 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:06:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine does this as well, if there's a way to disable it that would be neat. I'm not sure if it's tied to some function that can be disabled or not, but it stands out a bit when you're operating in the dark. Not a big deal by any means, it's only really noticeable to me when my eyes are dark-adapted. David On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM, David Anderson wrote: > Just built my PX3 and it works nicely, however I have a quick question - I > can see a red LED flashing inside, have searched for any mention of this, > is this normal? > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From esteptony at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 15:15:28 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:15:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Google Earth going dark In-Reply-To: <54D27AF1.1030707@vcn.com> References: <93815CEB-381D-4870-B129-FD07E063504C@me.com> <54D26608.6020200@earthlink.net> <54D27A77.7070908@vcn.com> <54D27AF1.1030707@vcn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:02 PM, David King wrote: > ... Announcing deprecation of the Google Earth API >> >> ====== Maybe this just means that the browser-based versions will disappear, but that the standalone version will continue to work. BTW there is a browser API for TerraServer, Microsoft's satellite pix, too. Tony KT0NY From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Feb 4 15:23:28 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 13:23:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423081408079-7597889.post@n2.nabble.com> There is one in the KX3 as well. It is normal. Think of it as a heartbeat. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-red-LED-flashing-tp7597883p7597889.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kdiehl at xmission.com Wed Feb 4 15:40:20 2015 From: kdiehl at xmission.com (Keith) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:40:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Memories Message-ID: -------- Original message -------- From: Keith Date:02/04/2015 12:11 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Elecraft Subject: KX3 Memories I'd like to store the VHF weather channels in KX3 memory, but neither the radio nor the memory manager program seem to allow out of band frequencies to be saved.? Anyone know if there's a trick to do this? WA7CC Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos.? From fcady at ece.montana.edu Wed Feb 4 15:43:32 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 13:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D206E@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> What does the red flashing LED inside the PX3 mean? It's a troubleshooting tool. There are actually two of them (one underneath the power supply board). One is controlled directly by the microprocessor, so if it is blinking the CPU is OK. The other is driven by the graphics processor, so it is blinking then that chip is OK also. Thanks to Alan NA1L in email to the Yahoo KX3 group 10/8/2014. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > David Orman > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:07 PM > To: David Anderson > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? > > Mine does this as well, if there's a way to disable it that would be > neat. > I'm not sure if it's tied to some function that can be disabled or not, > but it stands out a bit when you're operating in the dark. Not a big > deal by any means, it's only really noticeable to me when my eyes are > dark-adapted. > > David > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM, David Anderson > wrote: > > > Just built my PX3 and it works nicely, however I have a quick > question > > - I can see a red LED flashing inside, have searched for any mention > > of this, is this normal? > > > > 73 > > > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > ormandj at corenode.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 4 15:51:41 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:51:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D206E@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D206E@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <854102F2-0CE0-4251-8125-097C58F0C878@yahoo.co.uk> Thanks everyone for putting my mind at rest. I was worried that red meant something bad, normally I think of a green light as good. Can we have a firmware update update to fix this? ;-) 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 4 Feb 2015, at 20:43, Cady, Fred wrote: > > What does the red flashing LED inside the PX3 mean? It's a troubleshooting tool. There are actually two of them (one underneath the power supply board). One is controlled directly by the microprocessor, so if it is blinking the CPU is OK. The other is driven by the graphics processor, so it is blinking then that chip is OK also. Thanks to Alan NA1L in email to the Yahoo KX3 group 10/8/2014. > > Cheers and 73, > > Fred KE7X > > Author of: > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> David Orman >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:07 PM >> To: David Anderson >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 red LED flashing? >> >> Mine does this as well, if there's a way to disable it that would be >> neat. >> I'm not sure if it's tied to some function that can be disabled or not, >> but it stands out a bit when you're operating in the dark. Not a big >> deal by any means, it's only really noticeable to me when my eyes are >> dark-adapted. >> >> David >> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 1:49 PM, David Anderson >> wrote: >> >>> Just built my PX3 and it works nicely, however I have a quick >> question >>> - I can see a red LED flashing inside, have searched for any mention >>> of this, is this normal? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> David Anderson GM4JJJ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> ormandj at corenode.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From n4zr at contesting.com Wed Feb 4 16:37:22 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:37:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. I'm feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if Softrock IF mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and control it. This works super well at least down through 15 meters - I can see the first 10 KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, and see exactly where he last worked someone. However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is currently at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that frequency, but if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the waterfall with the expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz above. So now I'm wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency and dial frequency perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone tried this same thing and been able to make it work on 40 and below? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From n4zr at contesting.com Wed Feb 4 17:37:54 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> References: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> Message-ID: <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> Update - I don't understand how or why, but if I set CW Skimmer's "Audio IF" to -6150 Hz, that brings the K3 and CW Skimmer frequency readouts into agreement. There is an explanation of audio IF in the Skimmer help file, but I can't get my brain around it. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 2/4/2015 4:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. > I'm feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if > Softrock IF mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and > control it. This works super well at least down through 15 meters - I > can see the first 10 KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, > and see exactly where he last worked someone. > > > However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is > currently at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that > frequency, but if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the > waterfall with the expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz > above. So now I'm wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency > and dial frequency perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone > tried this same thing and been able to make it work on 40 and below? > From K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET Wed Feb 4 17:41:19 2015 From: K4PI at BELLSOUTH.NET (Mike Greenway) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:41:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SINGLE RX + DX4WIN Message-ID: <96A0E362936D4FE188BB34DC093C811B@SHACK> I would like to exchange mail off line with someone using the K3 with a single receiver option that is interfaced to DX4WIN logging program. Also another qualifier is that they use the REV button in often in working pileups. 73 Mike K4PI From ar at dseven.org Wed Feb 4 17:52:30 2015 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:52:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> References: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> Message-ID: LP-Pan (except for very early models) offsets the IF by 6kHz, to move any center-spikes introduced by audio interfaces out of the way. The same offset applies to all bands, except on 6m, you need to swap I/Q (there's an option in CW Skimmer for that) and make the offset positive instead of negative, due to the IF being reversed on the K3 above 30MHz (or so). Not sure why you would be seeing different behaviour on the lower bands..... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > Update - I don't understand how or why, but if I set CW Skimmer's "Audio IF" > to -6150 Hz, that brings the K3 and CW Skimmer frequency readouts into > agreement. There is an explanation of audio IF in the Skimmer help file, > but I can't get my brain around it. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at > http://reversebeacon.net, > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. > For spots, please go to your favorite > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. > > On 2/4/2015 4:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> >> I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. I'm >> feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if Softrock IF >> mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and control it. This >> works super well at least down through 15 meters - I can see the first 10 >> KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, and see exactly where he >> last worked someone. >> >> >> However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is currently >> at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that frequency, but >> if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the waterfall with the >> expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz above. So now I'm >> wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency and dial frequency >> perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone tried this same thing and >> been able to make it work on 40 and below? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Feb 4 17:52:18 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite Message-ID: <7630E00462BE4EF8AED0C43705465442@tomsPC> Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite available at va2fsq.com New in this release are usability enhancements in both the P3 Panadapter and the KX3 / K3 spectrum scope with LPPAN. For the K3, mouse wheel support is now added to the P3 Panadapter window. In addition, the mouse wheel support now allows storage of separate settings for voice and digital modes. There is also a new "Snap" function which allows QSY's to even 100 Hz boundaries. The K3 / KX3 spectrumscope now has 10 user definable macro buttons. These macros can hold any combination of K3 / KX3, KPA500, P3 and KAT500 commands. Fixes: The error on 6m with the K3 / KX3 panadapter has been fixed. Win4K3Suite is the most comprehensive control program available for the complete K line as well as the KX3. It provides control of the radio, the P3, LPPAN and interfaces to many third party products. Contest proven, you really should give it a try. There is a 30 day full featured trial available at va2fsq.com You can check out the videos as well at https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite Thanks, Tom --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 4 18:03:46 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:03:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> References: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> Message-ID: <54D2A552.6010605@subich.com> Pete, LP-Pan does not use an 8125 KHz crystal to prevent the oscillator leakage from getting back into the K3 IF strip and to offset the "DC spike" from many sound cards. The crystal used divides down to approximately 8131.6 KHz which results in the audio frequency being shifted by -6150 Hz (+/-). It's been a while since I looked at the LP-Pan schematic/details so the numbers may be off a bit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-04 5:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > Update - I don't understand how or why, but if I set CW Skimmer's "Audio > IF" to -6150 Hz, that brings the K3 and CW Skimmer frequency readouts > into agreement. There is an explanation of audio IF in the Skimmer help > file, but I can't get my brain around it. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at > http://reversebeacon.net, > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. > For spots, please go to your favorite > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. > > On 2/4/2015 4:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. >> I'm feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if >> Softrock IF mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and >> control it. This works super well at least down through 15 meters - I >> can see the first 10 KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, >> and see exactly where he last worked someone. >> >> >> However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is >> currently at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that >> frequency, but if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the >> waterfall with the expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz >> above. So now I'm wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency >> and dial frequency perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone >> tried this same thing and been able to make it work on 40 and below? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 4 18:11:24 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:11:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 spikes every 12KHz Message-ID: I notice I have large spikes every 12kHz at about -115 dBm whether connected to the KX3 or not. Thought it may be by switching PSU I was testing with, but tried a silent linear PSU with the same result. Is this normal or have I a problem with the PS board in the PX3? 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From neilz at techie.com Wed Feb 4 18:13:21 2015 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:13:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D2A791.6060708@techie.com> I believe the DX Suite's DXView program does that now. On 02/04/15 05:40 pm, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > ubject: > Re: [Elecraft] Google Earth Pro Now Free > From: > David Ahrendts > Date: > 02/04/15 01:23 pm > > To: > Nick Kemp > CC: > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > Now to get it to auto-locate to the exact QTH in a real time QSO! Would that be cool. :---) > > >> >On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Nick Kemp wrote: >> > >> >Better yet ... download it free from the source ...https://www.google.com/earth/ >> > >> >Nick >> >N1KMP >> > >> >David Ahrendts wrote on 2/4/2015 12:14 PM: >>> >>Via @BoingBoing: Google Earth Pro was $399. Now it's free.http://boingboing.net/2015/02/04/google-earth-pro-was-399-now.html ... pic.twitter.com/2MtDJxznmY >>> >> >>> >>David A., KC0XT >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>David Ahrendtsdavidahrendts at me.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>______________________________________________________________ >>> >>Elecraft mailing list >>> >>Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >>Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >> >>> >>This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >>> >>Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>Message delivered tonkemp1165 at hotmail.com >> > >> >______________________________________________________________ >> >Elecraft mailing list >> >Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> >This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >> >Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >Message delivered todavidahrendts at me.com Neil, KB3TVU From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 18:49:35 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:49:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Question about KBPF3 Message-ID: When I built my K3 I loaded it up fairly well with options but didn't include a KBPF3. I did install a 13kHz filter for FM use on a few bands (2,6 &10) and AM receive. Since I am able to receive the SW broadcast stations fine I wonder what the advantage is if one installs the KBPF3? Are the various SWBC bands automatically included along with the ham bands? I've always been curious about this so if anyone could fill me in on whatever advantages there are to installing one that would be great. 73, Jeff, NH7RO From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Feb 4 19:00:17 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:00:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Feature Request Message-ID: <54D2B291.7070201@foothill.net> Would it be possible to have an option that will either work the way it does now, or will preserve the SPLIT setting if you make a quick QSY to another band and then come back? I'm officially on the "Didn't Get The 'UP' Memo" list as a result of a quick check of 30 and return to 20. I did realize it after one call [provoking an UP Cop's ire] because I had N1MM+ running and it says "Split" in big letters if you are and I wasn't. But for that, it would have taken me longer to realize I was simplex. K1N on 20 CW today. It appears the mean-spirited crowd is dwindling. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 4 19:07:48 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:07:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 spikes every 12KHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D2B454.9010704@socal.rr.com> Make sure your cables are well seated. I believe I got that symptom one time when one cable was not fully plugged in. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/4/15 3:11 PM, David Anderson wrote: > I notice I have large spikes every 12kHz at about -115 dBm whether connected to the KX3 or not. > Thought it may be by switching PSU I was testing with, but tried a silent linear PSU with the same result. Is this normal or have I a problem with the PS board in the PX3? > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Wed Feb 4 19:31:03 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:31:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Feature Request In-Reply-To: <54D2B291.7070201@foothill.net> References: <54D2B291.7070201@foothill.net> Message-ID: <27e5da5kr11gb8vrghq3pb0kh4jdqkd5cm@4ax.com> I think SPLIT SV does this. It should preserve your RIT and XIT settings on a per-band basis. You'll find the setting at CONFIG:SPLT SV. 73, matt W6NIA On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:00:17 -0800, you wrote: >Would it be possible to have an option that will either work the way it >does now, or will preserve the SPLIT setting if you make a quick QSY to >another band and then come back? > >I'm officially on the "Didn't Get The 'UP' Memo" list as a result of a >quick check of 30 and return to 20. I did realize it after one call >[provoking an UP Cop's ire] because I had N1MM+ running and it says >"Split" in big letters if you are and I wasn't. But for that, it would >have taken me longer to realize I was simplex. > >K1N on 20 CW today. It appears the mean-spirited crowd is dwindling. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >- Northern California Contest Club >- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >- www.cqp.org >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 4 19:36:46 2015 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:36:46 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw decode text, again In-Reply-To: <1D37D4C8-D7EF-4201-87C5-56833FDF3498@charter.net> References: <1D37D4C8-D7EF-4201-87C5-56833FDF3498@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D2BB1E.6080202@xs4all.nl> I don't. I always use the internal keyer of my K2 and KX3. Only on the KX3 I use a straight key connected to the front connection that is normally used to connect the KXPD3 paddle, in order to be able to use both a paddle and a straight key without switching or replugging. If you happen to have an Android smartphone, download the free Morse Code Reader (with the Walrus icon...) to decode any CW coming from a speaker. Works quite well. Cheers, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2015-02-03 23:17 schreef GDR: > It seems likely lots of folks are using external keyers with these radios, keyers that do connect to the KEY line input. From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Feb 4 19:41:57 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:41:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Feature Request In-Reply-To: <27e5da5kr11gb8vrghq3pb0kh4jdqkd5cm@4ax.com> References: <54D2B291.7070201@foothill.net> <27e5da5kr11gb8vrghq3pb0kh4jdqkd5cm@4ax.com> Message-ID: <54D2BC55.209@foothill.net> QTA my "feature request." Thanks Matt, exactly what I was looking for. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/4/2015 4:31 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > I think SPLIT SV does this. It should preserve your RIT and XIT > settings on a per-band basis. You'll find the setting at > > CONFIG:SPLT SV. > > 73, > matt > W6NIA From G0ORH at sky.com Thu Feb 5 02:46:42 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:46:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: References: <54D29112.9020908@contesting.com> <54D29F42.5010309@contesting.com> Message-ID: <51CCB0F8-7714-4BC6-991D-B71D03272333@sky.com> I'm seeing differently too. On HF running skimmer, softrock if mode, LP pan2, LP Bridge. EMU 202 card at 192. Running thru NaP3, I can see the pileup etc, and it's accurate, no tweeking of the offset done. Bringing in CW skimmer I've had to retune offset to 5860, though I didn't do this on the recommended AM mode! Maybe I should have done! Anyway I'm set now to within a few Hz of being on the button. One thing which is a real pain is I cannot keep the emu open on the fast 2.0 card, have looked at trying to keep the port alive when the PC, win7 pro, is powered down but not been successful. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 4 Feb 2015, at 22:52, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > > LP-Pan (except for very early models) offsets the IF by 6kHz, to move > any center-spikes introduced by audio interfaces out of the way. The > same offset applies to all bands, except on 6m, you need to swap I/Q > (there's an option in CW Skimmer for that) and make the offset > positive instead of negative, due to the IF being reversed on the K3 > above 30MHz (or so). Not sure why you would be seeing different > behaviour on the lower bands..... > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > > > >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> Update - I don't understand how or why, but if I set CW Skimmer's "Audio IF" >> to -6150 Hz, that brings the K3 and CW Skimmer frequency readouts into >> agreement. There is an explanation of audio IF in the Skimmer help file, >> but I can't get my brain around it. >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >> http://reversebeacon.net, >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >> For spots, please go to your favorite >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >> >>> On 2/4/2015 4:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>> >>> I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. I'm >>> feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if Softrock IF >>> mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and control it. This >>> works super well at least down through 15 meters - I can see the first 10 >>> KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, and see exactly where he >>> last worked someone. >>> >>> >>> However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is currently >>> at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that frequency, but >>> if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the waterfall with the >>> expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz above. So now I'm >>> wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency and dial frequency >>> perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone tried this same thing and >>> been able to make it work on 40 and below? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ar at dseven.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:41:22 2015 From: tedg7bqm at fastnet.co.uk (Ted G7BQM) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:41:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrades and Modifications Checklist Message-ID: <42F2A068-D10E-4F19-9642-0D5FDA137AAE@fastnet.co.uk> I recently purchased K3 Ser No 104 and have done most of the hardware mods on this list. However two items are listed as 'No Docs' and just wondered if anyone has details on: !. 8 volt regulator filter capacitor E530174 2. Power meter diode upgrade E560048 D36 & 37 Googling has not helped so far and I haven't been able to find out approximately when these mods were introduced and how important they are. Any help before California wakes up would be much appreciated! 73, Ted G7BQM From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 05:10:32 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:10:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 spikes every 12KHz In-Reply-To: <54D2B454.9010704@socal.rr.com> References: <54D2B454.9010704@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4973342F-400C-4300-BE43-27A3318DE7A7@yahoo.co.uk> If you have the PX3 completely unplugged do you see those spike at 12KHz spacing? They are very prominent then. Tried the following: REF level -145 SCALE 80 SPAN 50 Everything plugged in apart from the RX I/Q lead at the PX3 end: Noise floor about -138dBm 2 spikes either side either side of centre -116dBm at 14kHz intervals. Now plug in the RX I/Q lead to PX3 and on 14MHz with preamp on and a dummy load, with span at 50kHz I see noise floor rises to -130dBm, spikes now at -112dBm but they have moved in frequency slightly away from the centre and are space 12kHz apart. Putting Average on helps to allow the measurement, but the spikes are obvious even with averaging off. They are obviously internally generated in the PX3 as they do not change as frequency of radio is changed. I can't believe that it is correct that there should be such visible artefact nearly 20dB above the noise floor. Any suggestions? - I did the OSB calibration procedure and that worked fine. I checked the cables are well seated, and have checked the tightness of the connector nuts on the PX3. Before I contact Elecraft, could someone check their PX3 in the same way as I described and let me know if they see the same effect please. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 5 Feb 2015, at 00:07, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Make sure your cables are well seated. I believe I got that symptom one time when one cable was not fully plugged in. > > 73, Phil W7OX > >> On 2/4/15 3:11 PM, David Anderson wrote: >> I notice I have large spikes every 12kHz at about -115 dBm whether connected to the KX3 or not. >> Thought it may be by switching PSU I was testing with, but tried a silent linear PSU with the same result. Is this normal or have I a problem with the PS board in the PX3? >> >> 73 >> >> David Anderson GM4JJJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From wt5y at gt.rr.com Thu Feb 5 05:19:29 2015 From: wt5y at gt.rr.com (John Cooper) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 04:19:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 kpa100 fault Message-ID: The power input on the kpa100 has a short of around 17ohms from the black to red anderson powerpoles. I havent used it in a couple of months but the last time I used it all was fine. I check for solder bridges and for loose items that could have fallen and shorted something, found nothing. The inner power connector that plugs into the k2 is not shorted. The basic k2 powers up just fine but pluggin in the kpa100 immediately kills the power supply. I pulled the following parts because I followed every which way the positive wire comes in and these had a connection to ground. (12PA) D9 D10 C85 C48 C49 C51-57 R38-39 Q1-2 FINALS C30 C34 R32 Q4 R14 R13 R40 R8 these parts checked good and none raised the resistance reading on my power input. then I pulled U7 back to normal. somehow it shorted from pins 2,8 to pin 4 which is ground. this started off as a I need help email. thought I would post anyway. John Cooper WT5Y From Mike at ve3yf.com Thu Feb 5 05:27:21 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:27:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PF1 and PF2 Programming Question Message-ID: Hi: I haven't tried my hand at doing some programming yet, but wondering if it is possible to set the PF1 and PF2 for TX EQ Audio settings. I would like to set PF1 for one set of TX EQ Settings (Working DX) and set PF2 for another set of TX EQ Settings (Ragchew). This way I can alternate between PF1 and PF2 for my desired settings instead of manually changing the TX Equalizer. Any help and or comments is greatly appreciated. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From mteberle at mchsi.com Thu Feb 5 06:26:00 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 05:26:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PF1 and PF2 Programming Question In-Reply-To: <20150205102751.6F76B149B163@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150205102751.6F76B149B163@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <54D35348.4080504@mchsi.com> Absolutely. Go into the K3 Utility on the Command Tester/K3 Macros tab. Click the 'Edit Macros' button. Type a label for the macro in the Macro Label field. In the Macro Commands, use the command TE followed by a numerical value for each EQ setting (i.e. 50, 100, 200, 400...etc). For example, TE-12-10-06-02+00+06+08+10; This will set 50 Hz to -12db, 100 Hz to -10db, 200 Hz to -06db... etc. Don't forget to enter the ; at the end. Save your macros and then send them to the K3 using the 'Write Macros 1-8 to K3' button. Then go into the K3 CONFIG menu and select 'MACRO 1' with the VFO B knob. Then hold PF1 down for a second or two and it will assign macro 1 to PF1. Then press 2 on the keypad to switch to MACRO 2. Hold PF2 and it will assign macro 2 to PF2. If you want, you can also specify mic gain and compression settings along with the TX EQ commands. MG014; will set mic gain to 14 and CP12; will set compression to 12. You enter it in the macro command with the EQ settings as follows: MG014;CP012;TE-12-10...+08+10; 73 Mike - KI0HA On 2/5/2015 04:27, Mike VE3YF wrote: > Hi: > > I haven't tried my hand at doing some programming yet, but wondering > if it is possible to set the PF1 and PF2 for TX EQ Audio settings. > > I would like to set PF1 for one set of TX EQ Settings (Working DX) and > set PF2 for another set of TX EQ Settings (Ragchew). This way I > can alternate between PF1 and PF2 for my desired settings instead of > manually changing the TX Equalizer. > From n4zr at contesting.com Thu Feb 5 07:03:48 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 07:03:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? Message-ID: <54D35C24.60704@contesting.com> My K3/100 #4275 has suddenly stopped making 100 watts, and is now making 10-20 on 160-20 meters, and 45-50 on 17-10 meters , even though the power control says it should be making 99 watts. On the way to its current state, it cycled once through reduced power and back to full power after a band change, so I suspect something was in the process of failing. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting, or is this something that warrants a trip back to the mother ship? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From w4ax.mack at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:15:22 2015 From: w4ax.mack at gmail.com (mackmc) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 05:15:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini Firmware Update??? Message-ID: <1423138522440-7597914.post@n2.nabble.com> As Elecraft knows there is a bug in the firmware for the K3/0 Mini that causes it to time out approximately three minutes into a conversation unless you unkey before the time out. When can we expect you to fix your bug? I paid a lot of money for my complete K-Line and would like to be able to use it as intended. Mack W4AX ----- 73, Mack W4AX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Firmware-Update-tp7597914.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Mike at ve3yf.com Thu Feb 5 07:33:31 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:33:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PF1 and PF2 Programming Question Message-ID: Hi Mike (KI0HA): Thanks for the info, actually I looked at the programming reference and it is pretty straight forward. However 1 question comes to mind, in my situation I have 2 different mics (Headset with HC-5 and the other mic is a PR40) and they require the FP-L and FP-H and I see no macro commands that set the Mic Gain Range. I don't see anything right off, but is it possible to make the Macro to incliude the settings of Mic Sel (Source, Mic Gain Range and Bias) Any idea's, I guess worst case scenario, I could reconfig both both TX EQ settings to work with both mics using either the High or Low Range. Tnx. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From n4zr at contesting.com Thu Feb 5 08:05:22 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:05:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? Message-ID: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> My K3/100 #4275 has suddenly stopped making 100 watts, and is now making 10-20 on 160-20 meters, and 45-50 on 17-10 meters , even though the power control says it should be making 99 watts. On the way to its current state, it cycled once through reduced power and back to full power after a band change, so I suspect something was in the process of failing. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting, or is this something that warrants a trip back to the mother ship? Addendum: In further testing, with power turned below 10 watts to disable the KPA3, I'm now seeing less than 1 watt on 160, 8 on 80, 8 on 40 and 11-13 on 20-10. Turning the power back up to 100 watts, I now have 20 watts on 160, 35 on 80, 25 on 40, 50 on 20, 85 on 15 and 100 on 10m. Should I first try recalibrating the TX gain? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 5 08:11:31 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? In-Reply-To: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> References: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> Message-ID: <54D36C03.1010501@embarqmail.com> Pete, Usually the first thing the folks at support will ask you to do is to run the TX Gain Calibration, so yes, that is the first thing you should try. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 8:05 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > My K3/100 #4275 has suddenly stopped making 100 watts, and is now > making 10-20 on 160-20 meters, and 45-50 on 17-10 meters , even though > the power control says it should be making 99 watts. On the way to > its current state, it cycled once through reduced power and back to > full power after a band change, so I suspect something was in the > process of failing. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting, or is > this something that warrants a trip back to the mother ship? > > Addendum: In further testing, with power turned below 10 watts to > disable the KPA3, I'm now seeing less than 1 watt on 160, 8 on 80, 8 > on 40 and 11-13 on 20-10. Turning the power back up to 100 watts, I > now have 20 watts on 160, 35 on 80, 25 on 40, 50 on 20, 85 on 15 and > 100 on 10m. > > Should I first try recalibrating the TX gain? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 09:25:01 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 14:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? In-Reply-To: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> References: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> Message-ID: <335736123.144584.1423146301717.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would start with doing the 'Calibrate Transmitter Gain' From: Pete Smith N4ZR To: Elecraft List Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 8:05 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? My K3/100 #4275 has suddenly stopped making 100 watts, and is now making 10-20 on 160-20 meters, and 45-50 on 17-10 meters , even though the power control says it should be making 99 watts.? On the way to its current state, it cycled once through reduced power and back to full power after a band change, so I suspect something was in the process of failing.? Any ideas where to start troubleshooting, or is this something that warrants a trip back to the mother ship? Addendum:? In further testing, with power turned below 10 watts to disable the KPA3, I'm now seeing less than 1 watt on 160, 8 on 80, 8 on 40 and 11-13 on 20-10.? Turning the power back up to 100 watts, I now have 20 watts on 160, 35 on 80, 25 on 40, 50 on 20, 85 on 15 and 100 on 10m. Should I first try recalibrating the TX gain? -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 5 09:25:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:25:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 failure? In-Reply-To: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> References: <54D36A92.7050900@contesting.com> Message-ID: <54D37D6C.9070400@subich.com> Pete, Sounds like a low power amplifier failure. Call Elecraft Support to discuss but I suspect they can send you a board to swap. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-05 8:05 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > My K3/100 #4275 has suddenly stopped making 100 watts, and is now making > 10-20 on 160-20 meters, and 45-50 on 17-10 meters , even though the > power control says it should be making 99 watts. On the way to its > current state, it cycled once through reduced power and back to full > power after a band change, so I suspect something was in the process of > failing. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting, or is this something > that warrants a trip back to the mother ship? > > Addendum: In further testing, with power turned below 10 watts to > disable the KPA3, I'm now seeing less than 1 watt on 160, 8 on 80, 8 on > 40 and 11-13 on 20-10. Turning the power back up to 100 watts, I now > have 20 watts on 160, 35 on 80, 25 on 40, 50 on 20, 85 on 15 and 100 on > 10m. > > Should I first try recalibrating the TX gain? From dmb at lightstream.net Thu Feb 5 10:02:33 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:02:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration Message-ID: <58117.71.74.118.201.1423148553.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> With the same Span settings, my PX3 consistently indicates signal and noise floor levels about 10 dBm higher than my P3 (or a number of other panadapters on SDR radios). I've looked through the manual, and see that there is an amplitude calibration for transverters using MENU:XV Gain. However, I see no way to calibrate the level for non-transverter use. The P3 has a menu option: Lvl Cal for this purpose, but from what I can see there is no parallel for the PX3. Am I overlooking something? tnx and 73, Dale WA8SRA From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 5 11:06:26 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:06:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration In-Reply-To: <58117.71.74.118.201.1423148553.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <58117.71.74.118.201.1423148553.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <54D39502.3030201@socal.rr.com> Same here, but I really don't care. I don't use panadapters to measure signal strength but to look at the band. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/5/15 7:02 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > With the same Span settings, my PX3 consistently indicates signal and > noise floor levels about 10 dBm higher than my P3 (or a number of other > panadapters on SDR radios). > > I've looked through the manual, and see that there is an amplitude > calibration for transverters using MENU:XV Gain. However, I see no way to > calibrate the level for non-transverter use. > > The P3 has a menu option: Lvl Cal for this purpose, but from what I can > see there is no parallel for the PX3. > > Am I overlooking something? > > tnx and 73, > > Dale > WA8SRA From fcady at ece.montana.edu Thu Feb 5 11:22:07 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration In-Reply-To: <54D39502.3030201@socal.rr.com> References: <58117.71.74.118.201.1423148553.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <54D39502.3030201@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D20E9@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> I think Alan, NA1L, posted some words similar to these to the reflector some time ago about why the PX3 and KX3 signal strengths don't agree at times. They probably apply to your question. 1. The PX3's LvL Mode is dBm. The dBm display is a quantitative display of power (in decibels relative to a milliwatt) at the KX3's antenna. That signal has an absolute power and thus isn't, nor should it be, affected by the KX3's signal processing preamplifier or attenuator. Therefore, the PX3 automatically compensates for the KX3's preamplifier or attenuator when the display is dBm. Changing the preamplifier and attenuator will not change the signal displayed on the PX3. Meanwhile, if the KX3's SMTR MD menu is nor, changing the preamplifier and attenuator will change the signal displayed on the KX3. 2. The PX3's LvL Mode is S-units. When the PX3 shows S-units, it has the same behavior as the KX3's S-meter and increases when the preamplifier is on and decreases when the attenuator is on. Note that for most bands the preamplifier must be set at +20 dB for a 50 microvolt signal to display S9. 3. The signal level on the KX3 and PX3 depends on their respective effective bandwidths. In the KX3 the bandwidth is set by the pass band tuning control (PBT I/II). In the KX3 the S-meter gives you a measure of the signal within the KX3 bandwidth. In the PX3 the effective bandwidth is approximately the span divided by 450 (there are 450 pixels displaying signals across the PX3 display). In the PX3 each pixel gives you a measure of the signal within the effective bandwidth of the pixel. If the two bandwidths are different, the KX3 and PX3 signal displays will be different. This will particularly be evident with wideband signals such as SSB. Even when the PX3 span is 200 kHz its effective bandwidth per pixel is 440 Hz and it does not contain the full signal that is seen on the KX3 S-meter. I agree with Phil. In essence each display serves a different purpose. The KX3 S-meter shows you the signal strength of the one signal within its passband and the PX3 shows you the relative strengths of a number of signals shown in its span. Cheers all, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Phil Wheeler > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:06 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration > > Same here, but I really don't care. I don't use panadapters to measure > signal strength but to look at the band. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/5/15 7:02 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > > With the same Span settings, my PX3 consistently indicates signal and > > noise floor levels about 10 dBm higher than my P3 (or a number of > > other panadapters on SDR radios). > > > > I've looked through the manual, and see that there is an amplitude > > calibration for transverters using MENU:XV Gain. However, I see no > way > > to calibrate the level for non-transverter use. > > > > The P3 has a menu option: Lvl Cal for this purpose, but from what I > > can see there is no parallel for the PX3. > > > > Am I overlooking something? > > > > tnx and 73, > > > > Dale > > WA8SRA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From llibsch at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 5 11:25:09 2015 From: llibsch at bellsouth.net (Larry Libsch) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with Skimmer Message-ID: <54D39965.50400@bellsouth.net> Pete - I use Skimmer with my K3. My SDR is a Softrock. Yes, it works on all bands when setup properly. I use LP Bridge to create the virtual COM ports to interface Skimmer and DXLab or N1MM+ simultaneously with the K3. I highly recommend LP Bridge if you're not already using it. The Skimmer set up with LP Pan (used to have one) like that for Softrock is a bit quirky. I know just the dialog that you're having trouble understanding. Never quite got that either. But point and click tuning and easy QSYing and being able to see the whole pile are great tools. If you have trouble finding where the DX is calling, use the 599 feature with verified calls only selected. If the pile is too spread out to be seen on Skimmer using one monitor, set up a second monitor above the first, extend the desktop and then pull the top edge of the Skimmer window onto the upper monitor to increase the frequency range seen on Skimmer. It's rare to need to do this, but it'll let you see the DX and the entire pile. Helped me work K1N through a huge pile on 10M CW yesterday. I have found Larry, N8LP to be very approachable and very helpful. I expect he would be prepared to discuss the Skimmer setup. There is also a treasure trove of info on the LP Pan website. K4KGG, Larry From dmb at lightstream.net Thu Feb 5 12:11:07 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:11:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D20E9@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <58117.71.74.118.201.1423148553.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <54D39502.3030201@socal.rr.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045B7D20E9@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <58704.71.74.118.201.1423156267.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hi Fred, I understand the reason that the S-meter and panadapter don't agree. I was hoping that for a given signal level input, with spans set the same, that the PX3 signal level and noise floor would be in agreement with that being displayed by the P3. It's not a big deal, but I was surprised by the lack of an amplitude adjustment. The reason I care about the level on the panadapter is that it gives me a quick sense of band noise levels at a glance. We have some local broadband white noise sources around here, and I can get a quick sense of whether they are giving me grief or not. I still do wonder though if an amplitude calibration or level adjustment could be implemented, as it is in the P3. If not, I'll continue to make band noise floor assessments based upon the K3/P3. (I'm clearly spoiled by the P3) 73, Dale WA8SRA > I think Alan, NA1L, posted some words similar to these to the reflector > some time ago about why the PX3 and KX3 signal strengths don't agree at > times. They probably apply to your question. > > 1. The PX3's LvL Mode is dBm. The dBm display is a quantitative display > of power (in decibels relative to a milliwatt) at the KX3's antenna. That > signal has an absolute power and thus isn't, nor should it be, affected by > the KX3's signal processing preamplifier or attenuator. Therefore, the > PX3 automatically compensates for the KX3's preamplifier or attenuator > when the display is dBm. Changing the preamplifier and attenuator will > not change the signal displayed on the PX3. > Meanwhile, if the KX3's SMTR MD menu is nor, changing the preamplifier > and attenuator will change the signal displayed on the KX3. > > 2. The PX3's LvL Mode is S-units. When the PX3 shows S-units, it has the > same behavior as the KX3's S-meter and increases when the preamplifier is > on and decreases when the attenuator is on. Note that for most bands the > preamplifier must be set at +20 dB for a 50 microvolt signal to display > S9. > > 3. The signal level on the KX3 and PX3 depends on their respective > effective bandwidths. In the KX3 the bandwidth is set by the pass band > tuning control (PBT I/II). In the KX3 the S-meter gives you a measure of > the signal within the KX3 bandwidth. In the PX3 the effective bandwidth > is approximately the span divided by 450 (there are 450 pixels displaying > signals across the PX3 display). In the PX3 each pixel gives you a > measure of the signal within the effective bandwidth of the pixel. If the > two bandwidths are different, the KX3 and PX3 signal displays will be > different. > This will particularly be evident with wideband signals such as SSB. Even > when the PX3 span is 200 kHz its effective bandwidth per pixel is 440 Hz > and it does not contain the full signal that is seen on the KX3 S-meter. > > I agree with Phil. In essence each display serves a different purpose. > The KX3 S-meter shows you the signal strength of the one signal within its > passband and the PX3 shows you the relative strengths of a number of > signals shown in its span. > > Cheers all, > Fred KE7X > > Author of: > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit" > "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station" > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Phil Wheeler >> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:06 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 Amplitude calibration >> >> Same here, but I really don't care. I don't use panadapters to measure >> signal strength but to look at the band. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/5/15 7:02 AM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: >> > With the same Span settings, my PX3 consistently indicates signal and >> > noise floor levels about 10 dBm higher than my P3 (or a number of >> > other panadapters on SDR radios). >> > >> > I've looked through the manual, and see that there is an amplitude >> > calibration for transverters using MENU:XV Gain. However, I see no >> way >> > to calibrate the level for non-transverter use. >> > >> > The P3 has a menu option: Lvl Cal for this purpose, but from what I >> > can see there is no parallel for the PX3. >> > >> > Am I overlooking something? >> > >> > tnx and 73, >> > >> > Dale >> > WA8SRA >> From n8lp at telepostinc.com Thu Feb 5 11:57:08 2015 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:57:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D3A0E4.8000308@telepostinc.com> The LP-PAN offset is nominal 6000 Hz, but it typically runs at about 6100-6150 Hz. This value is entered in the NaP3 Global Offset box as a negative value, ie. -6000. The LP-PAN LO is 32836/4=8209 kHz. The K3 IF center is nominal 8215 kHz, a difference of 6000 Hz. The Skimmer "Audio IF, Hz" value can be calculated from the following formula on our CW Skimmer help page... *K3 CW Sidetone Pitch + LP-PAN Global Offset = Audio IF, Hz * For example? 600 + (-6000) = -5400 You can walk it in from there. ALso, unlike NaP3, Skimmer does not adjust for filter offsets or DSP shift settings on the K3, so it is best to do this with the Shift/Width controls centered. The value will vary from filter to filter unless all your CW filters are 8-pole. 73, Larry N8LP On 2/5/2015 11:25 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:46:42 +0000 > From: Ken Chandler > To: iain macdonnell - N6ML > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer > Message-ID:<51CCB0F8-7714-4BC6-991D-B71D03272333 at sky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm seeing differently too. > On HF running skimmer, softrock if mode, LP pan2, LP Bridge. EMU 202 card at 192. > Running thru NaP3, I can see the pileup etc, and it's accurate, no tweeking of the offset done. > Bringing in CW skimmer I've had to retune offset to 5860, though I didn't do this on the recommended AM mode! Maybe I should have done! > Anyway I'm set now to within a few Hz of being on the button. > One thing which is a real pain is I cannot keep the emu open on the fast 2.0 card, have looked at trying to keep the port alive when the PC, win7 pro, is powered down but not been successful. > > Ken.. G0ORH > > Sent from my iPad > > >> >On 4 Feb 2015, at 22:52, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: >> > >> >LP-Pan (except for very early models) offsets the IF by 6kHz, to move >> >any center-spikes introduced by audio interfaces out of the way. The >> >same offset applies to all bands, except on 6m, you need to swap I/Q >> >(there's an option in CW Skimmer for that) and make the offset >> >positive instead of negative, due to the IF being reversed on the K3 >> >above 30MHz (or so). Not sure why you would be seeing different >> >behaviour on the lower bands..... >> > >> >73, >> > >> > ~iain / N6ML >> > >> > >> > >>> >>On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>> >>Update - I don't understand how or why, but if I set CW Skimmer's "Audio IF" >>> >>to -6150 Hz, that brings the K3 and CW Skimmer frequency readouts into >>> >>agreement. There is an explanation of audio IF in the Skimmer help file, >>> >>but I can't get my brain around it. >>> >> >>> >>73, Pete N4ZR >>> >>Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >>> >>http://reversebeacon.net, >>> >>blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >>> >>For spots, please go to your favorite >>> >>ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >>> >> >>>> >>>On 2/4/2015 4:37 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>I've been experimenting with using the K3 with CW Skimmer to work K1N. I'm >>>> >>>feeding LP-Pan 2 from the K3's IF, and running CW Skimmer if Softrock IF >>>> >>>mode. I'm using Omnirig to read the K3s frequency and control it. This >>>> >>>works super well at least down through 15 meters - I can see the first 10 >>>> >>>KHz of the pileupabove K1N's transmit frequency, and see exactly where he >>>> >>>last worked someone. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>However... I just tried the same technique on 30M, where K1N is currently >>>> >>>at 10113.1. I can't see him or his pileup at and above that frequency, but >>>> >>>if I tune the radio down to 10107.9, ghe appears on the waterfall with the >>>> >>>expected humongous pileup over the next few KHz above. So now I'm >>>> >>>wondering, is the relationship between IF frequency and dial frequency >>>> >>>perhaps different on the lower bands? Has anyone tried this same thing and >>>> >>>been able to make it work on 40 and below? >>> >> >>> >>______________________________________________________________ >>> >>Elecraft mailing list >>> >>Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >>Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >> >>> >>This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >>> >>Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>Message delivered toar at dseven.org >> >______________________________________________________________ >> >Elecraft mailing list >> >Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> >This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >> >Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >Message delivered tog0orh at sky.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 5 12:22:13 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:22:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 spikes every 12KHz In-Reply-To: <4973342F-400C-4300-BE43-27A3318DE7A7@yahoo.co.uk> References: <54D2B454.9010704@socal.rr.com> <4973342F-400C-4300-BE43-27A3318DE7A7@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <58AAB806-BD21-4C4F-A4F8-C535F65E2B66@yahoo.co.uk> I had a couple of other replies off list that confirmed that this is perfectly normal, and usually band noise covers these spurs up. Apparently they are from the high efficiency switching voltage regulators on the 5V and 3.3V lines in the PX3. I suspected that, but though mine was perhaps poorly filtered or faulty, but apparently this is normal. I don't see it being a problem on HF, but could be annoying on transverter bands where band noise is much lower. Maybe once out of warranty a mod to using linear regulators could be worthwhile. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 5 Feb 2015, at 10:10, David Anderson wrote: > > If you have the PX3 completely unplugged do you see those spike at 12KHz spacing? They are very prominent then. > > Tried the following: > > REF level -145 > SCALE 80 > SPAN 50 > > Everything plugged in apart from the RX I/Q lead at the PX3 end: > > Noise floor about -138dBm > 2 spikes either side either side of centre -116dBm at 14kHz intervals. > > Now plug in the RX I/Q lead to PX3 and on 14MHz with preamp on and a dummy load, with span at 50kHz I see noise floor rises to -130dBm, spikes now at -112dBm but they have moved in frequency slightly away from the centre and are space 12kHz apart. Putting Average on helps to allow the measurement, but the spikes are obvious even with averaging off. > > They are obviously internally generated in the PX3 as they do not change as frequency of radio is changed. > > I can't believe that it is correct that there should be such visible artefact nearly 20dB above the noise floor. > > Any suggestions? - I did the OSB calibration procedure and that worked fine. > > I checked the cables are well seated, and have checked the tightness of the connector nuts on the PX3. > > Before I contact Elecraft, could someone check their PX3 in the same way as I described and let me know if they see the same effect please. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 5 Feb 2015, at 00:07, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> Make sure your cables are well seated. I believe I got that symptom one time when one cable was not fully plugged in. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >>> On 2/4/15 3:11 PM, David Anderson wrote: >>> I notice I have large spikes every 12kHz at about -115 dBm whether connected to the KX3 or not. >>> Thought it may be by switching PSU I was testing with, but tried a silent linear PSU with the same result. Is this normal or have I a problem with the PS board in the PX3? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> David Anderson GM4JJJ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 13:02:52 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 05:02:52 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] PF1 and PF2 Programming Question In-Reply-To: <20150205102744.11DB3149AF07@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150205102744.11DB3149AF07@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <73852622-2258-451A-9EB4-5ED6A1B29B2C@gmail.com> Not only that, you can set up one PF key to toggle between two settings, so you leave the other PF key free to do something else. Here is an example of a toggling setup (it?s for KX3, but the same principle can be applied to K3 too). http://www.vk2rq.ampr.org/macros.html 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 5 Feb 2015, at 9:27 pm, Mike VE3YF wrote: > > Hi: > > I haven't tried my hand at doing some programming yet, but wondering if it is possible to set the PF1 and PF2 for TX EQ Audio settings. > > I would like to set PF1 for one set of TX EQ Settings (Working DX) and set PF2 for another set of TX EQ Settings (Ragchew). This way I > can alternate between PF1 and PF2 for my desired settings instead of manually changing the TX Equalizer. > > Any help and or comments is greatly appreciated. > > > 73 De Mike > VE3YF > > http://www.ve3yf.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Feb 5 13:12:52 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:12:52 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] e: Using K3 with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <201502051812.t15ICqa1083362@ingra.acsalaska.net> Pete, Joe and all: I am not running CW Skimmer so this post is a little OT, but I do run the LP-Pan with MAP65 (JT65B). For good info go to: http://www.telepostinc.com/LP-PAN.html#faq Scroll down till you see LP-PAN Manuals and chose the version for your unit serial number. e.g. S/N 514-799 page-24 has the Circuit description which ought to help understand the LP-Pan. Page 26 shows the schematic. For the K3 1st IF=8.215 MHz, the LP-Pan LO =32.836 MHz which counts down to 8.209 MHz which imparts a 6-KHz shift to suppress LO leakage. I had to request the original xtal=32.860 MHz to correct this as it shifted my MAP65 frequency too far to be correctable by the sw. That does leave me a center carrier artifact but I do not operate there so it doesn't matter. I did have to swap I/Q to have sw operate properly. Actual frequency of the xtal LO may be off exact frequency a little (maybe a couple hundred Hz) but that should not affect most users. If you are curious how I am using the LP-Pan with my K3, go to: http://www.kl7uw.com/LINRAD.htm This also has the instructions on how I added IF output from my KRX3 sub-receiver. near the top are links to LP-Pan website and manual. Hope this is helpful. 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------------ From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using K3 with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <54D2A552.6010605 at subich.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Pete, LP-Pan does not use an 8125 KHz crystal to prevent the oscillator leakage from getting back into the K3 IF strip and to offset the "DC spike" from many sound cards. The crystal used divides down to approximately 8131.6 KHz which results in the audio frequency being shifted by -6150 Hz (+/-). It's been a while since I looked at the LP-Pan schematic/details so the numbers may be off a bit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From rboutell at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 13:36:43 2015 From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:36:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FTDI USB to Serial Message-ID: <1423161403917-7597929.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello all, Not having luck using an FTDI USB-serial cable. Its an off brand (Gearma) so that may be my problem :) I have downloaded the latest drivers from ftdichip.com and still no luck. I am getting this msg when Utility attempts to communicate: K3 waiting for firmware load. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s. Utility is trying to talk thru COM6, only option. The driver is showing location of Port_#0001.Hub_#0005. Looks like wrong port maybe, but not sure where to change it. Just FYI, I can communicate with K3 using my old laptop with real serial port, but its on life support. Thanks for any help. 73, Russ W9EL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-FTDI-USB-to-Serial-tp7597929.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Feb 5 14:54:42 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 at narrow setting does not display evenly Message-ID: <54D3CA82.3624.F369CCB@Gary.ka1j.com> I've discovered when I adjust the span to its narrowest setting, the outer sides of the screen in both the P3 and SVGA output fade with the center being the brightest. When I'm looking at the perimeters for weak signals this becomes somewhat problematic. I don't see it in wider settings. http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/KA1J/media/P3_zps5f68799b.jpg.html or a shorter URL is http://tinyurl.com/kkne9ww Any idea how to get this to display evenly? Thanks. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:01:42 2015 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:01:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: From sales at elecraft.com Thu Feb 5 17:19:06 2015 From: sales at elecraft.com (Lisa Jones - Elecraft Sales) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:19:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Booth Help: Orlando Hamcation and Yuma AZ Message-ID: <54D3EC5A.80807@elecraft.com> Elecraft will be attending the Orlando Hamcation Show Feb. 13, 14 and 15. Elecraft will also be attending the Yuma AZ, ARRL Arizona Section Convention Feb. 20 and 21st. We can use some booth help at the shows if anyone is available for a few hours of fun! If you can help out at either of the shows, please email me directly, lisa at elecraft.com and let me know which day or days you are available and the approximate time frame ( morning or afternoon). Thank you, Lisa -- Lisa Jones Elecraft, Inc. (831) 763-4211 From davidahrendts at me.com Thu Feb 5 17:32:53 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 Message-ID: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> http://www.cnbc.com/id/102376507 David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From davidahrendts at me.com Thu Feb 5 17:32:53 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:32:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 Message-ID: <46C82F2D-D509-401E-86FD-CA2C467AB4A9@me.com> http://www.cnbc.com/id/102376507 David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:45:32 2015 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:45:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with NAP3 and K3 Message-ID: I am having trouble with the sub-receiver cursor displayed on the NAP3 display. The cursor does not correctly follow the VFO-B dial as it is turned,but lags or stops while the dial is being turned. My configuration uses the LP-PAN between the K3 and a n EMU-0204 sound card feeding a 64 bit Win 7 pc. All other functions on the NAP3 work as expected. Help will be much appreciated. Shel Sherman WO0C 314-878-3566 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 18:42:46 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 23:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing Message-ID: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. Thank you From plambert at qa.com.au Thu Feb 5 18:45:21 2015 From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:45:21 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 battery trickle charge Message-ID: <000001d0419d$ce5b8680$6b129380$@qa.com.au> I'm pretty sure I read something on this list about a trickle charge in the KXBC3. I can't find anything confirming this in the documentation and I don't see anything in the schematic that would provide the function. Is there a trickle charge ?. Out of interest what's the function of R10 and the associated half of Q1 ?. it would seem that it raises the charge current from 200mA to 260mA (why ?). TIA, Peter VK4JD From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 18:55:26 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 23:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1137457960.334716.1423180526688.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Same way here.. I wear headphones!??? 73s Bob W5RG From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:42 PM Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5rg at yahoo.com From nz0tham at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 19:20:34 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:20:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 AGC mod In-Reply-To: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1422805022211-7597792.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423182034664-7597939.post@n2.nabble.com> I found a 0.47uf cap in my junk box and replaced C31 with it. I've not had a chance to have a QSO yet but just listening around I hear a big improvement. Thanks all for your comments! 73 Bill NZ0T -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-AGC-mod-tp7597792p7597939.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Feb 5 19:23:20 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:23:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D40978.25128.102C8C5B@Gary.ka1j.com> Harry, I heartily recommend the Bose QC-15 headphones. They have a marvelous ability to cancel out almost all background noise at the flip of a switch, at least 50%. It helps to greatly reduce noises like fan noise, room acoustics and TV from others in the house. Far more clear than listening to even a good quality speaker when it comes to hearing CW well. It is a headphone but allows replacement cords to be attached and within the design, unbeknownst to most users, is a mic plug which also allows for a microphone. You can't easily get such a mic plug from Bose, they reserve that for their overpriced Aircraft communications headsets. You can though buy an after-market microphone attachment which lets you hear & talk. Get that from here: http://www.headsetbuddy.com/clearmic-noise-canceling-microphone-for-bo se-qc15-headphones/ or a shorter link: http://tinyurl.com/lezjfv6 Good luck OM, think this'll help. 73, Gary KA1J > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. > Thank you > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From jim at jtmiller.com Thu Feb 5 19:30:57 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 19:30:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D40978.25128.102C8C5B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54D40978.25128.102C8C5B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: I found the Headset Buddy to be a pretty poor excuse for a mike. Communication fidelity was terrible (and i'm not an ESSB fan), the mike boom was too weak and left it dangling and the cord had the left and right headphones reversed from normal which drove me nuts working split. I contacted their tech support and they sent another which was no better. Buyer beware. jim ab3cv On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Harry, > > I heartily recommend the Bose QC-15 headphones. They have a marvelous > ability to cancel out almost all background noise at the flip of a > switch, at least 50%. It helps to greatly reduce noises like fan > noise, room acoustics and TV from others in the house. Far more clear > than listening to even a good quality speaker when it comes to > hearing CW well. > > It is a headphone but allows replacement cords to be attached and > within the design, unbeknownst to most users, is a mic plug which > also allows for a microphone. You can't easily get such a mic plug > from Bose, they reserve that for their overpriced Aircraft > communications headsets. You can though buy an after-market > microphone attachment which lets you hear & talk. Get that from here: > > http://www.headsetbuddy.com/clearmic-noise-canceling-microphone-for-bo > se-qc15-headphones/ > > or a shorter link: > > http://tinyurl.com/lezjfv6 > > Good luck OM, think this'll help. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises > (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but > I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency > toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded > quite a bit. > > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From sjl219 at optonline.net Thu Feb 5 19:33:02 2015 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:33:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <1137457960.334716.1423180526688.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1137457960.334716.1423180526688.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <254e33df.1a87d4.14b5c4de0b5.Webtop.58@optonline.net> My hearing sensitivity in my right ear is much lower than in my left ear and, in addition, I have a constant ringing (Tinnitus) which I've become accustomed to so it's less bothersome than it sounds. ?I find lower tones markedly more comfortable.?I only operate 100% CW and I always use headphones. ?I've tried many different brands,including some of those modern earbud thingys the young folks jam into their ears but that's about the most annoying thing I've ever experienced. For years now,I've been using the David Clark model 10-S-DC listen only stereo headset. ?These are aviation-grade but non-TSOd and are meant for passengers who want to listen to their personal electronics as well as connect into the aircraft intercom system. ?These have excellent clarity and independent volume controls which complements DXing with my KX3's Dual Watch function. ?The clamping pressure is LESS than the standard aviation grade DCs but enough to work just great as a passive noise reduction feature. ?The sensitivity ("loudness") of this "consumer" model ?clearly exceeds my original aviation DCs.? So that's how I've solved my problem and I don't even think about it anymore as I operate. ? ? 73, Stan WB2LQF On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 06:55 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > Same way here.. I wear headphones!??? 73s Bob W5RG > > From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: > Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:42 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises > (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW > (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher > frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the > ringing faded quite a bit. > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy > better. > Thank you > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5rg at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 5 19:45:50 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:45:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> Henry, Your real answer depends on your particular hearing loss, so no one else can say what your particular "desired pitch" can be. I suggest you experiment with different pitches in real time CW QSOs. Tune the station to the pitch that you can copy best - then figure out what that audio frequency is. You can play the CW through an audio spectrum analyzer to determine the pitch that you hear best. One such analyzer is Spectrogram, and the 2 freeware versions (5.71 and 16) can be downloaded from my website www.w3fpr.com. Look for the links near the bottom of the opening page. These are local copies of the Spectrogram files that have been virus scanned numerous times. I hear reports that some sources of Spectrogram contain bad stuff, but these are clean copies. SpectrumLab and other audio spectrum analyzers can do the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 6:42 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. > Thank you > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 19:56:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 00:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> References: <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <476959727.342364.1423184216566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you PS I'm Harry.... Henry's that other guy I think he makes amps ;) From: Don Wilhelm To: Harry Yingst ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing Henry, Your real answer depends on your particular hearing loss, so no one else can say what your particular "desired pitch" can be. I suggest you experiment with different pitches in real time CW QSOs.? Tune the station to the pitch that you can copy best - then figure out what that audio frequency is. You can play the CW through an audio spectrum analyzer to determine the pitch that you hear best.? One such analyzer is Spectrogram, and the 2 freeware versions (5.71 and 16) can be downloaded from my website www.w3fpr.com.? Look for the links near the bottom of the opening page.? These are local copies of the Spectrogram files that have been virus scanned numerous times.? I hear reports that some sources of Spectrogram contain bad stuff, but these are clean copies. SpectrumLab and other audio spectrum analyzers can do the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 6:42 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. > Thank you > From jrmcbee at cox.net Thu Feb 5 19:59:20 2015 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] s meter reading with sub receiver Message-ID: <54D411E8.3000307@cox.net> Is there a way to see the S meter reading for the sub receiver? I've been looking thru the manual and cann't find it. I thought I have read somewhere about dual S meter's. Any help would be great or let me know what page in manual it is on. Thanks John From challinan at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 20:00:02 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 In-Reply-To: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> References: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> Message-ID: Another interesting angle on this story: Amazon considering purchase of Radio Shack http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-03/amazon-said-to-mull-buying-radioshack-stores-in-retail-expansion On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:32 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > http://www.cnbc.com/id/102376507 > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From don at w3fpr.com Thu Feb 5 20:05:23 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:05:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <476959727.342364.1423184216566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> <476959727.342364.1423184216566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D41353.5090502@w3fpr.com> Harry, Sorry, but it is getting late in the evening here. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 7:56 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Thank you > > PS I'm Harry.... Henry's that other guy I think he makes amps ;) > > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 20:07:19 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 01:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D41353.5090502@w3fpr.com> References: <54D41353.5090502@w3fpr.com> Message-ID: <1394372856.344507.1423184839134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> No problem I get called Henry all the time. From: Don Wilhelm To: Harry Yingst ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing Harry, Sorry, but it is getting late in the evening here. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 7:56 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Thank you > > PS I'm Harry.... Henry's that other guy I think he makes amps ;) > > > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Feb 5 20:19:48 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:19:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 In-Reply-To: References: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> Message-ID: <54D416B4.6090908@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> ...so they can sell Kindles and their cell phones. Does Radio Shack even sell parts anymore? On 2/5/2015 5:00 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Another interesting angle on this story: > > Amazon considering purchase of Radio Shack > > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-03/amazon-said-to-mull-buying-radioshack-stores-in-retail-expansion > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:32 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: >> http://www.cnbc.com/id/102376507 >> >> >> >> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > From esteptony at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 20:34:18 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 19:34:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 In-Reply-To: <54D416B4.6090908@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> <54D416B4.6090908@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > > Does Radio Shack even sell parts anymore? > > The ones around here do, and I'm not ashamed to say that I'm gonna miss them. Even though we have Gateway Electronics, a truly fabulous source for all kinds of electronic junk, the Shack bailed me out many times. Micro-switches, de-soldering gadgets (theirs were the best!), a variety of ICs and sockets, and lots of miscellaneous stuff. And cables, cables of every kind. Stereo plug on one end, RCA plugs on the other? No problem. All sorts of strange mix-n-match cables. And just low-turnover, low-margin, oddball junk that only a ham stuck in the middle of a homebrew project might buy, once a year or maybe twice. No way they could stay in business with that stuff, but still..... 73, Tony KT0NY From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Feb 5 20:36:16 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:36:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D41A90.9000908@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,2/5/2015 4:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Your real answer depends on your particular hearing loss, so no one > else can say what your particular "desired pitch" can be. Yes. There are several types of hearing loss. That which comes with old age is a loss of high frequencies; what you appear to have is likely the result of excessive noise exposure, and can be anything from a big "hole" in the middle of frequency response to massive loss of highs to ringing. If your loss is mostly highs, it can be PARTIALLY compensated using RXEQ. Simply turn down the lower bands and turn up the higher ones. If it's the ringing that drives you nuts, try setting the CW RX pitch lower. Play with it and see what works for you. You can also do these things in combination. 73, Jim K9YC From mike.flowers at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 20:48:56 2015 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:48:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 In-Reply-To: References: <809879BA-CA01-4731-A999-108C5C5EA24F@me.com> <54D416B4.6090908@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <164401d041af$12885070$3798f150$@gmail.com> Yes, but still ... As a Novice back in 1968, the RS in Wappingers Falls, NY was the go-to place for parts. Even got a part-time job there to pay for them. We sold a lot of FM Stereo receivers and FM antennas with rotators, turntables, phonograph needles and cartridges - and really pricey speakers too. For a while it was a real money spinner. - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tony Estep Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 5:34 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Radio Shack Chapter 11 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > > Does Radio Shack even sell parts anymore? > > The ones around here do, and I'm not ashamed to say that I'm gonna > miss them. Even though we have Gateway Electronics, a truly fabulous source for all kinds of electronic junk, the Shack bailed me out many times. Micro-switches, de-soldering gadgets (theirs were the best!), a variety of ICs and sockets, and lots of miscellaneous stuff. And cables, cables of every kind. Stereo plug on one end, RCA plugs on the other? No problem. All sorts of strange mix-n-match cables. And just low-turnover, low-margin, oddball junk that only a ham stuck in the middle of a homebrew project might buy, once a year or maybe twice. No way they could stay in business with that stuff, but still..... 73, Tony KT0NY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Feb 5 21:28:30 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:28:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423189710.7872.31.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I am also a bit hard of hearing... I had a hearing test, and asked for a copy of the Frequency, vs amplitude graph. This shows me my best frequency for being able to hear... I then set the Zero beat to that frequency, and I was able to copy about 50% more than what I set by listening... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-02-05 at 23:42 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > While in the Navy I damaged my hearing from exposure to loud noises (Naval Aircraft)Since then I've always had a real struggle copying CW (but I'm stubborn and keep trying) > > I was playing around with the pitch and found that the higher frequency toneshave a ringing to them but as I went lower in pitch the ringing faded quite a bit. > So I'm basically looking for tips to help me to be able to copy better. > Thank you > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From doug at ellmore.net Thu Feb 5 21:32:06 2015 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 21:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite for the K3 and KX3 Does It Again! Message-ID: Wow! Tom has released some great new features with the last few of releases of Win4K3 Suite. Just released version: Version 1.734 - http://va2fsq.com/?page_id=379 We've been chasing K1N and trying to work that split and find where the op last worked. With the new Win4K3 Suite integration with CW Skimmer, you can click on the call signs list in CW Skimmer and have VFO B QSY to the call sign of the op being worked by K1N. This could just be the ticket to help you snag that CW contact! Also, the Scope window now has macros at the base of the scope window. For example I am using 10 macros as follows: 1: Spot - SWT42; 2: A>B - SWT13; 3: A/B - SWT11; 4: Split - SWH13; 5: UP 5 for VFO B - UPB7; next row: 6: M1 - SWT21; 7: M2 - SWT31; 8: M3 - SWT35; 9: M4 - SWT39; 10: DN 5 --- DNB7; P.S. Paul Hannington has released SkimCC11. The link for SkimCC11 is working again now. http://www.paulhannington.com/g6uvs/SkimCC11.zip SkimCC11 allows HRD to see the spots in from CW skimmer. I am using it with wintelnetx: http://www.k1ttt.net/software.html#wintelnetx to aggregate spots from multiple sources. SkimCC11 sits between Cw Skimmer and WinTelnetX to reformat the spots so that apps like HRD Logger can read the spots. 73 and Good DX, -- Doug Ellmore NA1DX doug at ellmore.net http://www.ellmore.net/na1dx From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Feb 5 21:47:52 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:47:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D41A90.9000908@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> <54D41A90.9000908@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54D42B58.8080804@foothill.net> Jim has helped me in a number of ways, both RXEQ and getting good TX audio from my K3. I'm pretty much deaf above 1200 Hz, lots of sudden, very loud noises in my bulletproof and immortal period 50 years ago. Jim's RXEQ suggestion gave me about 30 dB of higher frequency boost ... turn down the lows, raise the highs, and turn up the AF Gain. I generally run mine around 12 o'clock, much above that and distortion gets really bad. I don't know if that's in my headset [Heil ProSet from Elecraft], or clipping in the audio amp. 30 dB is only about a third of my hearing loss above 1200 Hz, but it does still make a BIG difference. I found my "sweet spot" for pitch just by experimentation with the pitch control. On sideband ... which you won't find me on much, very hard copy ... at DSP BW around 2.1 or a little less, I shift it down. For RTTY, I use the 915 Hz setting in the K3 and MMTTY. Many years ago, while a high school senior with a part-time relief op job at a coastal marine station, the OT's taught me that when the noise on the Holy Frequency was really bad, lay the cans on the desk. Somehow, this lowers the noise and not the signal. The VA has given me some very good hearing aids, they don'w work under the headphones, but using them with the headphones on the desk does often improve the SNR of very weak signals. Good luck, 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/5/2015 5:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,2/5/2015 4:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Your real answer depends on your particular hearing loss, so no one >> else can say what your particular "desired pitch" can be. > > Yes. There are several types of hearing loss. That which comes with old > age is a loss of high frequencies; what you appear to have is likely the > result of excessive noise exposure, and can be anything from a big > "hole" in the middle of frequency response to massive loss of highs to > ringing. > > If your loss is mostly highs, it can be PARTIALLY compensated using > RXEQ. Simply turn down the lower bands and turn up the higher ones. If > it's the ringing that drives you nuts, try setting the CW RX pitch > lower. Play with it and see what works for you. You can also do these > things in combination. From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Feb 5 22:27:33 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:27:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 battery trickle charge In-Reply-To: <000001d0419d$ce5b8680$6b129380$@qa.com.au> References: <000001d0419d$ce5b8680$6b129380$@qa.com.au> Message-ID: <1423193253382-7597956.post@n2.nabble.com> The charger is a 200 mA constant current charger. Either on or off based on the time set in menu. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-battery-trickle-charge-tp7597937p7597956.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hillslaird at internode.on.net Thu Feb 5 22:51:40 2015 From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:21:40 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] (Elecraft) CAL PLL Message-ID: <54D43A4C.9010805@internode.on.net> WOW!!! This building project has been fantastic. I've certainly learned or relearned heaps... Thanks to Elecraft and all those who have helped me along the way, I am extremely happy with results. Everything is now complete and all seems to be working well but I can't recall if I did CAL PLL after resetting c22 in my final alignment. If I repeat CAL PLL on my K2, does that mean that I must redo CAL FIL and all filter alignments again? I did filter alignments using a noise generator and Spectrogram and the graphs appear much as the examples in Don's W3FPR alignment instructions, but I'm not too sure exactly what I am looking for In Spectrogram. I simply tried to get graphs to be as similiar as possible to the examples. Apologies for dumb question but, Is there something special I should be looking for? Something to be minimised or maximised in the graphs? If I do CAL PLL and CAL FIL again, does that mean I should also redo KAT100 settings? I've also built the cable between k2 K102 and PC and all tests ok. I've not made any on air contacts yet with this rig other than into a dummy load and some testing of my antenna with KAT100. I wanted to get alignments done as well as possible first. Maybe I'll get my feet wet this weekend!!! :-) 73, Kev VK5KS K2 #7552, KSB2, K102, KAT100-1 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 5 23:42:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (RIchard Williams via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 04:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] s meter reading with sub receiver In-Reply-To: <54D411E8.3000307@cox.net> References: <54D411E8.3000307@cox.net> Message-ID: <276692913.634219.1423197745588.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> John, Yes, just push and hold the BSet button (the number "1" on the keypad). ?The main VFO will now say b SEt, and the S meter is reading the sub receiver (also make sure the sub receiver is turned on to do this). Dick, K8ZTT From: John McBee To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:59 PM Subject: [Elecraft] s meter reading with sub receiver Is there a way to see the S meter reading for the sub receiver? I've been looking thru the manual and cann't find it.? I thought I have read somewhere about dual S meter's.? Any help would be great or let me know what page in manual it is on. Thanks John ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 6 00:21:40 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:21:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (Elecraft) CAL PLL In-Reply-To: <54D43A4C.9010805@internode.on.net> References: <54D43A4C.9010805@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <54D44F64.2070909@embarqmail.com> Kev, Great about your K2 completion. For doing CAL PLL again, check the accuracy of your K2's frequency. Do that on the highest frequency you can receive a known frequency signal - as long as that frequency is in the 17 meter band or lower. If the frequency is within 20 Hz of the correct dial reading, don't bother. OTOH, if the frequency is not correct, then yes, setting C22, followed by CAL PLL and then CAL FIL should correct it. See the procedure for setting C22 on my website www.w3fpr.com. If the known frequency signal is not an AM station, things get a little more complicated in determining the correct tuning of that station - send me a private email and I can help you with the correct tuning. Bottom line -- if your frequency readout is not correct, then you will have to go through the full process of setting C22 followed by CAL PLL and CAL FIL within a short period of time. The 4 MHz reference oscillator is only controlled by the 4 MHz crystal and can drift over time. The exact frequency of that oscillator is not critical for normal operation, it is only a clock for the MCU. However, before running CAL PLL and CAL FIL, it should be set accurately if you are to achieve correct dial frequency readout -- so do the entire process in "one sitting" so the 4 MHz oscillator does not drift substantially during the process of setting C22, running CAL PLL and CAL FIL. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/5/2015 10:51 PM, Kevin Schache wrote: > WOW!!! > This building project has been fantastic. I've certainly learned or > relearned heaps... > Thanks to Elecraft and all those who have helped me along the way, I > am extremely happy with results. > Everything is now complete and all seems to be working well but I > can't recall if I did CAL PLL after resetting c22 in my final alignment. > > If I repeat CAL PLL on my K2, does that mean that I must redo CAL FIL > and all filter alignments again? > > I did filter alignments using a noise generator and Spectrogram and > the graphs appear much as the examples in Don's W3FPR alignment > instructions, but I'm not too sure exactly what I am looking for In > Spectrogram. I simply tried to get graphs to be as similiar as > possible to the examples. Apologies for dumb question but, Is there > something special I should be looking for? Something to be minimised > or maximised in the graphs? > > If I do CAL PLL and CAL FIL again, does that mean I should also redo > KAT100 settings? > > I've also built the cable between k2 K102 and PC and all tests ok. > > I've not made any on air contacts yet with this rig other than into a > dummy load and some testing of my antenna with KAT100. > I wanted to get alignments done as well as possible first. > Maybe I'll get my feet wet this weekend!!! :-) > From n5lz at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 02:15:16 2015 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 00:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Video online: K3/P3 monitoring K1N JA Pileup Message-ID: <000901d041dc$a847c230$f8d74690$@comcast.net> I made this video today while monitoring K1N working a JA pileup. It demonstrates the value of the P3 panadapter in finding the station the DX is currently working and determining if the DX station is using any type of tuning pattern from QSO to QSO. Freq: 24.898 Mhz CW at 2345 gmt Feb 5, 2015. The pileup was huge and took up about 20 Khz of the band, with too many callers to really allow a decent rate. Both K1N and the JA stations were loud at my qth in northern Utah. The JA pileup was fortunately very well behaved, always standing by while K1N completed each QSO, and that made it rather easy to find the station he was working. Follow the link and take a look and listen: https://vimeo.com/118876333 Don, N5LZ From Mike at ve3yf.com Fri Feb 6 03:17:33 2015 From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:17:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PF1 and PF2 Programming Question Message-ID: Thanks Matt: I will try and do some experimenting this weekend. I have place your site in my bookmarks, now need to fnd some spare time. Tnx, 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 04:17:53 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:17:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing In-Reply-To: <54D42B58.8080804@foothill.net> References: <284191689.332452.1423179766396.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54D40EBE.6010301@embarqmail.com> <54D41A90.9000908@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54D42B58.8080804@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54D486C1.8040802@gmail.com> This is a fascinating remark, because I recently noted that I could copy a weak signal in the middle of a lot of noise better by holding the phones in my hand with the ear cushions together and putting the cushions up to my ears. Something is going on here that is worth pursuing. On 6 Feb 2015 04:47, Fred Jensen wrote: > Many years ago, while a high school senior with a part-time relief op > job at a coastal marine station, the OT's taught me that when the noise > on the Holy Frequency was really bad, lay the cans on the desk. Somehow, > this lowers the noise and not the signal. The VA has given me some very > good hearing aids, they don'w work under the headphones, but using them > with the headphones on the desk does often improve the SNR of very weak > signals. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From jrmcbee at cox.net Fri Feb 6 08:22:28 2015 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 07:22:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] s meter reading with sub receiver In-Reply-To: References: <54D411E8.3000307@cox.net> Message-ID: <54D4C014.6070607@cox.net> On 2/5/2015 10:42 PM, RIchard Williams wrote: > John, > > Yes, just push and hold the BSet button (the number "1" on the > keypad). The main VFO will now say b SEt, and the S meter is reading > the sub receiver (also make sure the sub receiver is turned on to do > this). > > Dick, K8ZTT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* John McBee > *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:59 PM > *Subject:* [Elecraft] s meter reading with sub receiver > > Is there a way to see the S meter reading for the sub receiver? I've > been looking thru the manual and cann't find it. I thought I have read > somewhere about dual S meter's. Any help would be great or let me know > what page in manual it is on. > > Thanks > John > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com > > > Okay Thanks Don. I will try that. Thanks JOhn From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 08:53:54 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 08:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Finally pulled the trigger on a KX3 Message-ID: I just ordered my KX3. I have a few things to get before it shows up, but it has been ordered and will be shipped to my place of business. Now I have a different type of impatient waiting... 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 08:56:06 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 08:56:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Backpacking and the KX3 Message-ID: Has anyone taken your KX3 on a backpacking trip? I'm looking for tips as this was part of the reason that I chose the KX3 and not some other base rig. I will be hopefully getting back into backpacking and will be looking forward to using the KX3 trail side... Thanks in advance! 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Feb 6 09:46:08 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 07:46:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Backpacking and the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423233968767-7597966.post@n2.nabble.com> Do a quick search. Lots of threads on backpacking, power sources, cases, antennas and SOTA activations. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Backpacking-and-the-KX3-tp7597965p7597966.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n4zr at contesting.com Fri Feb 6 10:06:35 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <54D4D87B.5060308@contesting.com> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the Softrock-IF mode. One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works amazingly well. -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Feb 6 10:57:37 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:57:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <0NJC00F42XO2UF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality. Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver.? That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. Tom va2fsq.com On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it > decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you > can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that > frequency.? I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the > Softrock-IF mode. > > One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not > possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. > because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's > frequency to display on my monitor.? My K3 has the separate subRX, > happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning > up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works > amazingly well. > > -- > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at > http://reversebeacon.net, > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. > For spots, please go to your favorite > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 6 11:11:52 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:11:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <0NJC00F42XO2UF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJC00F42XO2UF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54D4E7C8.90706@subich.com> > One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built > in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist > them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that > functionality. For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode audio on the sub Receiver. Properly designed software will provide the ability to select Left or Right channel audio - that means simply clicking a radio box to choose Main or Sub Rx. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-06 10:57 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality. > Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. > Tom > va2fsq.com > > On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> >> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it >> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you >> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that >> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the >> Softrock-IF mode. >> >> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not >> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. >> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's >> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, >> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning >> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works >> amazingly well. >> >> -- >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >> http://reversebeacon.net, >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >> For spots, please go to your favorite >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 6 11:22:43 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 08:22:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Backpacking and the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E569393-EBB7-44E2-8CE3-7AA3FD59EA02@elecraft.com> Hi Joshua, This is one of the primary uses we had in mind for the KX3. If you include the internal ATU and battery and the attached keyer paddle, it's fully self-contained -- just add antenna wire. If you also want to minimize the size of your mic, try one of these (or similar): http://www.miniinthebox.com/3-5mm-mini-microphone-for-laptop-pc_p169034.html This will plug directly into the KX3's mic jack. For PTT you can use the XMIT switch, which is right next to the mic jack. Or you can use VOX. For antennas, assuming you have trees or other ad-hoc supports available, you can use a random-length wire for both the antenna and ground. Toss one wire in a tree (etc.) and lay the other on the ground. The KXAT3 ATU will tune a 25' or so wire on 40 meters and up. Use twice that length to also get down to 80 and 60 m. You can connect the wires to a BNC-to-binding post adapter, like our model #BNC-BP. For wire, I recommend #26 "Silky" from the Wireman. To maximize battery life, turn the LCD backlight off when not needed, and use stereo headphones rather than the internal speaker. Ear buds work great, and since they're stereo, you'll also be able to use the radio's audio effects and dual watch (dual RX). Dual RX is great for QRP because you can be listening to one station--waiting for them to sign--while tuning around looking for others. (QRP emphasizes listening over transmitting.) This station will weight about two pounds, or a bit more if you carry a set of spare batteries. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 6, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > Has anyone taken your KX3 on a backpacking trip? I'm looking for tips as > this was part of the reason that I chose the KX3 and not some other base > rig. I will be hopefully getting back into backpacking and will be looking > forward to using the KX3 trail side... > > Thanks in advance! > > 73, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 6 12:21:13 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:21:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Somewhat boring K3 firmware release ready for easily amused field testers Message-ID: Hi all, I freely admit it: this K3 field-test firmware (rev. 5.10) has nothing but minor changes and bug fixes. Ho-hum at best. But, like any firmware release, it still needs dedicated testing in battlefield conditions to make sure I haven't caused any embarrassing side effects. Are you ready to accept a challenge with no reward other than "stability"? If so, please email me directly. I'll take the first 10 selfless volunteers dedicated to this noble if underwhelming cause. Wayne N6KR From nu4i at cox.net Fri Feb 6 12:22:26 2015 From: nu4i at cox.net (Kenneth Moorman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010d01d04231$7aa57980$6ff06c80$@cox.net> I use it this way too, and agree it is very helpful. I wish there were a way to either expand or contract the frequency range displayed sort of like Rocky does to be able to get the "big picture" first and then home in in a more detailed search. 73, Ken, NU4I -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:07 AM To: elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the Softrock-IF mode. One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works amazingly well. -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nu4i at cox.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:29:29 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 10:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer Message-ID: Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -) 73 Ken - K0PP On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: > Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. > Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such > as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose > that functionality. > Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 > subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw > skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. > Tom > va2fsq.com > > On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > > > CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it > > decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you > > can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that > > frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the > > Softrock-IF mode. > > > > One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not > > possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. > > because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's > > frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, > > happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning > > up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works > > amazingly well. > > > > -- > > > > 73, Pete N4ZR > > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at > > http://reversebeacon.net, > > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. > > For spots, please go to your favorite > > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Fri Feb 6 13:18:34 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:18:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <0NJC00F42XO2UF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJC00F42XO2UF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54D5057A.7010704@cis-broadband.com> This isn't actually true. You can configure OmniRig to treat the K3 VFOs as two separate rigs and open two windows of CW Skimmer to monitor each. I haven't used mine that way for a couple of years so I can't readily explain the details, but I've done it before and it works fine. It shouldn't be difficult for anyone to duplicate it. 73, Dave AB7E On 2/6/2015 8:57 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose that functionality. > Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. > Tom > va2fsq.com > > On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it >> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you >> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that >> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the >> Softrock-IF mode. >> >> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not >> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. >> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's >> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, >> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning >> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works >> amazingly well. >> >> -- >> >> 73, Pete N4ZR >> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >> http://reversebeacon.net, >> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >> For spots, please go to your favorite >> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From ai6ii at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 13:36:13 2015 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:36:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423247773873-7597975.post@n2.nabble.com> It is less about copying code and more about spotting, Ken. ;>) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-CW-Skimmer-tp7597973p7597975.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n2bc at stny.rr.com Fri Feb 6 13:48:18 2015 From: n2bc at stny.rr.com (Bill Coleman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 13:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/10 & P3/SVGA Message-ID: <000301d0423d$7943d030$6bcb7090$@stny.rr.com> Elecraft K3/10, Serial Number 086xx, 3 months old. Fitted with 2.7kHz (5-pole), 700Hz (8-pole INRAD), and 400Hz (8-pole) filters; KXV3A Interface. Elecraft P3/SVGA, Serial Number 025xx; with SVGA adapter. Non-Smoker. Asking $2800 includes shipping CONUS. Email for additional info & pictures From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 14:01:16 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 21:01:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481467B6-376E-4C1C-9A4B-AF70F66AF572@gmail.com> It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -) > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP >> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: >> >> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. >> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such >> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose >> that functionality. >> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 >> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw >> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. >> Tom >> va2fsq.com >> >>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>> >>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it >>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you >>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that >>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the >>> Softrock-IF mode. >>> >>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not >>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. >>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's >>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, >>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning >>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works >>> amazingly well. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> 73, Pete N4ZR >>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >>> http://reversebeacon.net, >>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >>> For spots, please go to your favorite >>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 6 14:23:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:23:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <481467B6-376E-4C1C-9A4B-AF70F66AF572@gmail.com> References: <481467B6-376E-4C1C-9A4B-AF70F66AF572@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D514C4.1050503@subich.com> While CW Skimmer may be about spotting the guy calling ... CW Get and/or the CW text decode capability in the K3 are *certainly not* about spotting the calling station in the pile-up. Their only purpose is as a crutch for those who are either unable due to hearing loss or too lazy to learn to copy the code. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-06 2:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >> Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -) >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: >>> >>> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. >>> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such >>> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose >>> that functionality. >>> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 >>> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw >>> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. >>> Tom >>> va2fsq.com >>> >>>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>>> >>>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it >>>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you >>>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that >>>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the >>>> Softrock-IF mode. >>>> >>>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not >>>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. >>>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's >>>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, >>>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning >>>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works >>>> amazingly well. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> 73, Pete N4ZR >>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >>>> http://reversebeacon.net, >>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >>>> For spots, please go to your favorite >>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From phystad at mac.com Fri Feb 6 14:45:41 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:45:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D514C4.1050503@subich.com> References: <481467B6-376E-4C1C-9A4B-AF70F66AF572@gmail.com> <54D514C4.1050503@subich.com> Message-ID: <52342804-D923-47F8-A3A4-8F72D824B444@mac.com> I will add my two-bit opinion. CW text decode as a crutch when copying by ear also is a big negative. Whenever I am using CW Decode, my own copying by ear performance drops a bit because too much leaning and dependence on the CW decode display for my translation. I say -- if you are learning CW or wanting to improve your speed -- turn off that CW decode. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 6, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > While CW Skimmer may be about spotting the guy calling ... > CW Get and/or the CW text decode capability in the K3 are > *certainly not* about spotting the calling station in the > pile-up. Their only purpose is as a crutch for those who > are either unable due to hearing loss or too lazy to learn > to copy the code. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 2015-02-06 2:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >>> >>> Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -) >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Ken - K0PP >>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b. >>>> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such >>>> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose >>>> that functionality. >>>> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3 >>>> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw >>>> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well. >>>> Tom >>>> va2fsq.com >>>> >>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: >>>>> >>>>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it >>>>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you >>>>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that >>>>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the >>>>> Softrock-IF mode. >>>>> >>>>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not >>>>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,. >>>>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's >>>>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX, >>>>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning >>>>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works >>>>> amazingly well. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR >>>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at >>>>> http://reversebeacon.net, >>>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. >>>>> For spots, please go to your favorite >>>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From n4zr at contesting.com Fri Feb 6 15:55:39 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" Message-ID: <54D52A4B.1070507@contesting.com> A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened. Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened it up, tested, all normal again. Ran auto TX calibration, all successful. I happy camper am. Thanks Howard! -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From alsopb at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 6 16:27:42 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:27:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <54D52A4B.1070507@contesting.com> References: <54D52A4B.1070507@contesting.com> Message-ID: <54D531CE.7080208@nc.rr.com> Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. Are there also magic potions and incantations available? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on > some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, > who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that > attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened. > > Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened > it up, tested, all normal again. Ran auto TX calibration, all > successful. I happy camper am. Thanks Howard! > From llibsch at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 6 16:38:05 2015 From: llibsch at bellsouth.net (Larry Libsch) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> > For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to > copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels > in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode > audio on the sub Receiver. Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing. Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. K4KGG, Larry From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Feb 6 16:38:15 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 15:38:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Testing email Message-ID: Thanks. Dick, n0ce From alsopb at nc.rr.com Fri Feb 6 16:48:10 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> References: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <54D5369A.1090402@nc.rr.com> Please provide some references for CW contest participation is declining. My recollection from various magazines is that contest participation #'s are up for all modes ( no reference provided either). 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 21:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote: >> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to >> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels >> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode >> audio on the sub Receiver. > > Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key > generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to > disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just > another digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops > into CW DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and > allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. > Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW > contest participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is > increasing. Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give > up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. > > > K4KGG, Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4281/9068 - Release Date: 02/06/15 > > From n4ua.va at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:52:54 2015 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 16:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> References: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote: > For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to >> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels >> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode >> audio on the sub Receiver. >> > > Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key > generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to > disappear? I don't think the original comment had anything to do with generating cw. > You decode RTTY with software, don't you? Yes. It was designed to be machine-decoded. > CW is just another digital mode. Yes, one that was designed to be able to be decoded by ear. > Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and contesting. Great! > Software encoding is more accurate At high signal/noise levels it is perhaps as accurate. > and allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Only if they choose to not practice and improve. > Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. You betcha. > CW contest participation is declining. Oooh, I'd love to see your research on this one. > RTTY contest participation is increasing. Great! > Software is every where improving our lives. True. > Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. > As long as the future is an improvement - 'tisn't always so. 73, geo - n4ua > > > K4KGG, Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Feb 6 17:01:21 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 14:01:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D5369A.1090402@nc.rr.com> References: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> <54D5369A.1090402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <5199FAC0-3F5E-4BCC-8907-F7AD975FDDAE@wunderwood.org> Looking just at CQWW, both CW and SSB participation is increasing. SSB appears to be increasing a bit faster than CW. http://www.cqww.com/stats.htm Though I just added to the length of this thread, I expect we are getting off-topic from Elecraft equipment. I tried to add facts and no opinion, but this is my last post on this topic. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:48 PM, brian wrote: > Please provide some references for CW contest participation is declining. My recollection from various magazines is that contest participation #'s are up for all modes ( no reference provided either). > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 2/6/2015 21:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote: >>> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to >>> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels >>> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode >>> audio on the sub Receiver. >> >> Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing. Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. >> >> >> K4KGG, Larry >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4281/9068 - Release Date: 02/06/15 >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From eric at elecraft.com Fri Feb 6 17:14:16 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:14:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> References: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <54D53CB8.9010008@elecraft.com> Time to close this portion of the thread. In general, arguments and statements like pro/con comments on CW operation, contesting etc are best taken elsewhere as they are way OT and outside of the list guidelines. 73, Eric Moderator for life.. (Oh Nooooo!) elecraft.com On 2/6/2015 1:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote: >> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to >> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels >> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode >> audio on the sub Receiver. > > Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key > generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to > disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another > digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and > contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many ops to achieve > speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you use a keyer for > contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest participation is declining. > RTTY contest participation is increasing. Software is every where improving > our lives. Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. > > > K4KGG, Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 6 17:32:11 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> References: <54D5343D.4050201@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <54D540EB.1040306@subich.com> > Ah, the old CW snobbery! I see others have answered your misinformed opinions - appropriate to someone who has never had the privilege of really learning CW or never had to prove the ability to really use international Morse. However, just one further point ... I've yet to see a machine decoder that can copy CW in noise anywhere near as well as a good CW operator. Although I am no "speed deamon", I gave up on decoders years ago and only turn on the K3's Text display occasionally just to remind myself just how much of a handicap those decoders are for someone who never bothered to learn to copy "by ear". The K3/X3 decoder is one of the better ones I've seen but unless one is fortunate enough to be listening to machine generated CW with at least a 10 dB signal to noise ratio ... forget about it. In that situation, one is better off using one of the newer FEC encoded data modes designed for noisy and fading HF circuits - or even traditional RTTY - as the throughput and error rate will be much better when using a modulation designed for the medium being used. 73, ... Joe, W4TV The opinions expressed are my own and do not reflect on Elecraft or any other company/association. On 2015-02-06 4:38 PM, Larry Libsch wrote: >> For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to >> copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels >> in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode >> audio on the sub Receiver. > > Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key > generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to > disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another > digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW > DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many > ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you > use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest > participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing. > Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways > and ideas and move into the future. > > > K4KGG, Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 6 18:36:24 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <54D531CE.7080208@nc.rr.com> References: <54D531CE.7080208@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> That's an old fix for many radios Open them up and tighten down all the screws From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. Are there also magic potions and incantations available? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on > some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, > who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that > attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened. > > Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened > it up, tested, all normal again.? Ran auto TX calibration, all > successful. I happy camper am.? Thanks Howard! > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w7cs at theriver.com Fri Feb 6 19:33:05 2015 From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:33:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW for those with Poor Hearing Message-ID: <20150206163304.50ECA6B4@dm0219.mta.everyone.net> Like Fred my hearing loss is associated to my military career, from standing near V2 and other large rocket firings at WSPG and a 4' lanyard firing of a 120 mm AA gun, to the firing of very adjacent 155mm howitzers, and other very loud noises etc. However when later doing very weak signal detection, while operating 2M EME, I discovered, by accident and experience, that, good passive external sound prevention, could easily be obtained with just good headphone earmuffs. Even an "old fashioned ringer" bell telephone, at my elbow, couldn't be heard. I also found that my sweet spot audio frequency was about 400 Hz, with no ringing, even with an Autek 1A external audio filter, cranked down to about 25 Hz BW. The cheapest RS headphones (Nova 10), also had a mechanical resonance at about 400 Hz. When all was aligned up at the 400 Hz sweet spot, the signal just seemed to jump out of the noise ! Easily 10 to 20 dB below the residual noise level, very comparable to what today is claimed by JT65 and other digital techniques . Chuck, W7CS From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 6 20:40:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 01:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1947817477.670070.1423273214357.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Not a good idea for the screws sticking out of capacitors and transformers.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: brian ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" That's an old fix for many radios Open them up and tighten down all the screws ? ? ? From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" ? Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. Are there also magic potions and incantations available? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on > some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, > who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that > attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened. > > Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened > it up, tested, all normal again.? Ran auto TX calibration, all > successful. I happy camper am.? Thanks Howard! > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Fri Feb 6 22:54:05 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 19:54:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54D531CE.7080208@nc.rr.com> <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D58C5D.9070500@kanafi.org> On 2/6/2015 3:36 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > That's an old fix for many radios > Open them up and tighten down all the screws Unless they are on trimmers or in IF cans..... :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sat Feb 7 00:14:51 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 22:14:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <54D58C5D.9070500@kanafi.org> References: <54D531CE.7080208@nc.rr.com>, <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <54D58C5D.9070500@kanafi.org> Message-ID: I had a fellow bring an R-390 to me.. that he said he had "tightened" all the screws up.. they were loose and sticking up, way above the cans they were supposed to be holding down.... when he turned it back on.. it couldn't hear any more.. can't be much.. he had just gotten everything tightened up. ....... ...... ..... (this is the silent period, while I figure out exactly what to say next).... .... ... .. .. .. .. .. .. ....... "It looks like it has been very well cared for." (...i.e. the case was clean.... He left it with me... It lived on my workbench for a lotta months.. before it finally went home... ... I wasn't real nice... I'd dripped wax on every tuning adj I could find... told him they were sealed now.. that they couldn't more now.. and they were exactly were they were supposed to be to hold the cans in perfect alignment. Left it with that. He thanked me.. and left with the R-390. I was really happy to see it go.. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 19:54:05 -0800 > From: k2asp at kanafi.org > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" > > On 2/6/2015 3:36 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > > That's an old fix for many radios > > Open them up and tighten down all the screws > > Unless they are on trimmers or in IF cans..... :) > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 04:52:09 2015 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 01:52:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The Ultimate Legendary Elecraft Support Story Message-ID: <6kgdrt2op32feiep36tr5b69.1423302729199@email.android.com> When I bought my KPA500 kit very early in the production run, one of the three TO-220 devices that get attached to the side panel had been soldered in to the board cattywampus. The hole would not align with the side panel. Not wanting to void the warranty, I called Elecraft support. They said I could go ahead and take a soldering iron to it. I tried several times to get all three leads hot enough to reseat it, but I was aware of possibly damaging the board by overheating it. My soldering skills are good, but not W3FPR good, and I had no rework equipment. I called support again, and was told they didn't have a replacement part in, but I could send in the board for a replacement. I got a little impatient, thinking I can easily replace this part without sending in the board, and asked what is the problem, can't you just send me the freaking part? In my own defense, I had sold two beloved tube amps to pay for the KPA500, and I was anxious to get it on the air. No excuse, really though. The support guy I had been working with asked me to call him tomorrow about availability of the part (I wish I could remember his name!). I called Elecraft and asked for him, and they told me he was driving down to the factory to get a part, and would be back in a few hours. I felt a bit sick over my impatience with him. He called me later that afternoon, and said the part was on its way to me. I thanked him profusely. When the envelope arrived, i opened it and my jaw dropped--there was the part, and IT HAD SOLDER ON IT. Apparently, he drove down to the factory (two-three hour round trip), and unsoldered the part from a built board to send it to the dickish customer. I have had a number of interactions with Elecraft Support, because I own nearly everything they make, and I have made a number of epic blunders over the years. They have no peer. They are the best. Superb. Pass me more Kool-Aid, and thanks in advance for the blunders to come. For all you've already done, Elecraft Support, thank you, thank you, thank you. 73 es 88, Eric WD6DBM From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Sat Feb 7 07:55:49 2015 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:55:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WTB_K160M?= Message-ID: If someone has an K160M for the K2 that is excess to their needs I?d be interested in chatting about transferring ownership to me @ Rodenkirch_llc at msn.com ?71.5, 72 Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV Sent from Windows Mail From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 7 08:02:03 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (briana) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 08:02:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" In-Reply-To: <1947817477.670070.1423273214357.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1401529492.655978.1423265785010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1947817477.670070.1423273214357.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D60CCB.9020502@nc.rr.com> Neither is uncoiling the interstage insulated wire "gimix" coupling capacitors and soldering the wires together. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 8:40 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote: > Not a good idea for the screws sticking out of capacitors and > transformers. > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, > TDXS Contest Chairman > K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Harry Yingst via Elecraft > *To:* brian ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > *Sent:* Friday, February 6, 2015 5:36 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The > Turning of the Screw" > > That's an old fix for many radios > Open them up and tighten down all the screws > > > From: brian > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The > Turning of the Screw" > > Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. > > Are there also magic potions and incantations available? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > > On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on > > some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, > > who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that > > attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have > loosened. > > > > Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened > > it up, tested, all normal again. Ran auto TX calibration, all > > successful. I happy camper am. Thanks Howard! > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4257/8565 - Release Date: 02/06/15 > From kt5d at charter.net Sat Feb 7 14:15:52 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:15:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer Message-ID: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> CW Skimmer is a form of crutch. Us old timers still do it the old way, tune around and listen closely, but keep an eye on the P3 display. Love that thing! From K2TK at att.net Sat Feb 7 14:55:09 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> References: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> Well, yes but the P3 can also be considered a crutch too. It all depends on where the crutch/aid line is placed. 1st split capable RX-TX was Heath SB300-SB400 pair. Confession time... Have but after initial fascination with it do not use CW Skimmer but rely a lot on the P3. Is having the K3 sub receiver and listening on the DX's frequency and hunting for his reply frequencies on the sub a crutch too? Sure is not the old timers way. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 2/7/2015 2:15 PM, GDR wrote: > CW Skimmer is a form of crutch. Us old timers still do it the old way, tune around and listen closely, but keep an eye on the P3 display. Love that thing! From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 7 15:33:39 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:33:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 Reset? Message-ID: <54D676A3.2060102@subich.com> Is there a command to reset the KAT3 (clear all tuner memories) without doing an full initialization of the K3? I had some feedline problems and have managed to store a bunch of bad tuner data points. Would like to clear them out and do five or six benchmark positions on the bands where the tuner is needed. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 7 15:44:44 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 20:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles Message-ID: <1313028976.1332489.1423341884390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Ihave a K3 (entire K-Line). Win 7 PC 3.5ghz processor 16gb ram; MicroHam DKII Interface. Withthis setup I am able to successfully do PSK31 using HRD-DM780, WSJT-X andJT65HF, WSPR and run N1MM+ successfully in SSB and CW - both RX & TX. Myproblem is with MMTTY both running byitself or as the engine in N1MM+. I can receive just?fine but when it comes to transmitting,all seems to work well- but I??get no "diddles". The mode is FSK. Better said,when MMTTY goes to Tx, I get a red Tx??light on the K3, a solid green PTT and aflashing? green FSK light on?the DK II ?but I hear a Solid Tone fromK3 audio and No Diddles. I have also tried RTTY using DM-780 and get same result, no diddles. I have contacted other K3/MicroHam/DK II users who aresuccessfully using MMTTY and compared configurations, but found no differences.I have contacted MicroHam tech support and ran some tests suggested by them but found no problems with the interface. So I am wondering if there may some item in theK3 configuration that I have missed that is leading to "No Diddles".If needed I can get into further detail on MMTTY & DK II settings, orcurrent K3 configuration. I did not include in this posting for brevity sake.? Hope someone can help me solve my Diddleissue. Paulkc2nyu From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Feb 7 15:52:02 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:52:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 Reset? In-Reply-To: <54D676A3.2060102@subich.com> References: <54D676A3.2060102@subich.com> Message-ID: <33A5D1C8-5280-4684-ABD7-85FD5BAEAD92@elecraft.com> While in CONFIG:KAT3, tap the "CLR" switch. This is per-band. Wayne N6KR On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:33 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > Is there a command to reset the KAT3 (clear all tuner memories) without > doing an full initialization of the K3? I had some feedline problems > and have managed to store a bunch of bad tuner data points. Would like > to clear them out and do five or six benchmark positions on the bands > where the tuner is needed. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Feb 7 16:18:11 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> References: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> Message-ID: <54D68113.3060205@foothill.net> Ummmm ... I think Art Collins might have beat Heath to that with the KWM-2 and external VFO, sometime around 1959, followed by the S-Line. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/7/2015 11:55 AM, Bob wrote: > 1st split capable RX-TX was Heath SB300-SB400 pair. From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 7 16:25:49 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 16:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 Reset? In-Reply-To: <33A5D1C8-5280-4684-ABD7-85FD5BAEAD92@elecraft.com> References: <54D676A3.2060102@subich.com> <33A5D1C8-5280-4684-ABD7-85FD5BAEAD92@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54D682DD.8020504@subich.com> Thanks, Wayne. Looked for that in the Owners Manual but did not find it. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-07 3:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > While in CONFIG:KAT3, tap the "CLR" switch. This is per-band. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:33 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> >> Is there a command to reset the KAT3 (clear all tuner memories) without >> doing an full initialization of the K3? I had some feedline problems >> and have managed to store a bunch of bad tuner data points. Would like >> to clear them out and do five or six benchmark positions on the bands >> where the tuner is needed. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > From jlally at icehouse.net Sat Feb 7 18:28:43 2015 From: jlally at icehouse.net (John Lally) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 15:28:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 on rx/io output when PX3 is powered on. Message-ID: <000901d0432d$d0ed0d10$72c72730$@net> When the PX3 is off, I get output from rx/id. When I turn turn the PX3 on, there is no output from the rx/id to computer. Please help. John Lally W7JJL When the PX3 is off, I get output from rx/id. When I turn turn the PX3 on, there is no output from the rx/id to computer. Please help. John Lally W7JJL From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 7 18:51:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 18:51:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <1313028976.1332489.1423341884390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1313028976.1332489.1423341884390.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D6A519.8030803@embarqmail.com> Paul, Details on how you are connecting the DKII FSK output to the K3 please. A quick perusal of the DKII information indicates to me that the FSK output is from a computer COM port - which to me indicates that it is RS-232 levels. Those RS-232 levels must be converted to TTL levels by a "one transistor keying circuit" and the output of that circuit applied to the K3 ACC connector pin 1. The fact that you have a single tone indicates to me that you do not have anything connected to the K3 ACC connector that will pull pin 1 to ground. That means that the K3 will generate the space tone, but there is nothing to tell the K3 to change the tone to a mark tone. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/7/2015 3:44 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > Ihave a K3 (entire K-Line). Win 7 PC 3.5ghz processor 16gb ram; MicroHam DKII Interface. Withthis setup I am able to successfully do PSK31 using HRD-DM780, WSJT-X andJT65HF, WSPR and run N1MM+ successfully in SSB and CW - both RX & TX. Myproblem is with MMTTY both running byitself or as the engine in N1MM+. I can receive just fine but when it comes to transmitting,all seems to work well- but I get no "diddles". The mode is FSK. Better said,when MMTTY goes to Tx, I get a red Tx light on the K3, a solid green PTT and aflashing green FSK light on the DK II but I hear a Solid Tone fromK3 audio and No Diddles. I have also tried RTTY using DM-780 and get same result, no diddles. I have contacted other K3/MicroHam/DK II users who aresuccessfully using MMTTY and compared configurations, but found no differences.I have contacted MicroHam tech support and ran some tests suggested by them but found no problems with the interface. So I am wondering if there may some item in theK3 configuration that I have missed that is leading to "No Diddles".If needed I can get into further detail on MMTTY & DK II settings, orcurrent K3 configuration. I did not include in this posting for brevity sake. Hope someone can help me solve my Diddleissue. > > From K2TK at att.net Sat Feb 7 19:31:13 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:31:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D68113.3060205@foothill.net> References: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> <54D68113.3060205@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54D6AE51.6070602@att.net> Hi Fred, Was the 1st for me. Heath SB's were the poor mans Collins and Collins had a lot of innovations. 73, Bob K2TK On 2/7/2015 4:18 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummmm ... I think Art Collins might have beat Heath to that with the KWM-2 and > external VFO, sometime around 1959, followed by the S-Line. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > On 2/7/2015 11:55 AM, Bob wrote: > >> 1st split capable RX-TX was Heath SB300-SB400 pair. > > From phils at riousa.com Sat Feb 7 19:56:01 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:56:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net Message-ID: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> The weekly SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800Z at 14.3035 MHz. I will be the NCS from western OR. There has been some traffic lately about difficulty hearing my signal and getting into the net. Here are the particulars. The majority of the calls for check-ins is by me. I am in the NW corner of the continental US and point my antenna generally east. My QTH isn?t ideal, but it isn?t terrible either. I sit in a valley covered with 125 to 150? Douglas-fir trees, and my take off to the east is into a forested upslope. On the other hand, I don?t have nearby neighbors and therefore have a reasonably low noise level. That, coupled with the excellent K3 means I can hear most anyone who can put out a modest signal. This includes many QRP stations from the eastern time zone. My antenna is a two element cubical quad at 75?. The K3 drives a KPA500 at 500 plus watts. We use a number of relay stations. These are typically in southern CA, CO, TX, GA and the northeast US. Others help out when they hear stations that nobody else hears. We also call for QRP only stations. The bottom line is that we pick up most everyone. This often includes ZL1PWD off the back of our antennas! So, if you can?t hear me, listen for the other relays. If you can?t hear any of the relay stations or me, use that as motivation for some antenna work this spring. 73, Phil, NS7P From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 7 20:55:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 01:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <914427257.1439253.1423360508007.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Here is my input, for some reason I cannot use build in RTTY TX, going back to 129/016 bring back my TX RTTY. Same with any mode CW/PSK no?TX with build-in client...I am missing something or bug? vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: Stephen Prior To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Beta SVGA Inop No doubt this is being carefully read by Elecraft!? I just want to add my 'bug' that the NB setting is not 'sticky' on the external display. Otherwise, for me at least, the latest beta appears to do its job. Clearly, YMMV! 73 Stephen G4SJP On 3 February 2015 at 13:19, Jim Miller wrote: > I reloaded the current non-beta version. Not having P3 working is not worth > playing with betas. > > jim ab3cv > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote: > > > I could not use the latest beta either. I had to go one beta back. > > Gerald KC6CNN > > On Feb 2, 2015 7:46 PM, "Jim Miller" wrote: > > > >> Decided to try the latest beta P3 firmware. All loaded including FPGA. > >> > >> SVGA output is frozen and P3 is updating very slowly. > >> > >> When I turn the SVGA display enable off the P3 behaves "normally" with a > >> proper update rate. > >> > >> I've removed power from the P3 completely and restarted it with no > >> improvement. > >> > >> Is there something else I need to do? > >> > >> It was working well before this. > >> > >> jim ab3cv > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Sat Feb 7 21:04:12 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 20:04:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KAT100-1/KIO2 Message-ID: <201502072004.12545.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> A KAT100-1 came with the used K2/10 I purchased a while back. I have decided that a KAT2 would work better for my operating style so I'm putting the KAT100 and KIO2 up for sale. Asking $200 shipped CONUS for the KAT100 by itself or $250 shipped CONUS for a package deal with the KIO2. I'd take a KAT2 as a trade-in toward the KAT100 but also would be open to possibly swapping for a base K1-2 or other small simple QRP CW rig (preferably with 20m as one of the bands, also obviously +/- cash if needed.) The KAT100 purchaser gets first option on the KIO2. It will be available separately if not taken as part of a package with the KAT100. More info and pics available on request. TNX/73, Al From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 7 22:00:42 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 03:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles Message-ID: <723134415.1394876.1423364442872.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Don - The Output of DK II is connected to the K3 ACC port using a DB15-EL-K3 cable supplied by microHam with the DK II. 73 Paulkc2nyu ----------------------------------Paul, Details on how you are connecting the DKII FSK output to the K3 please. A quick perusal of the DKII information indicates to me that the FSK? output is from a computer COM port - which to me indicates that it is? RS-232 levels. Those RS-232 levels must be converted to TTL levels by a "one transistor? keying circuit" and the output of that circuit applied to the K3 ACC? connector pin 1. The fact that you have a single tone indicates to me that you do not? have anything connected to the K3 ACC connector that will pull pin 1 to? ground.? That means that the K3 will generate the space tone, but there? is nothing to tell the K3 to change the tone to a mark tone. 73, Don W3FPR From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Feb 7 22:09:33 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:09:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D6AE51.6070602@att.net> References: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> <54D68113.3060205@foothill.net> <54D6AE51.6070602@att.net> Message-ID: <54D6D36D.3020200@foothill.net> I'm working on my 62nd year as a ham and looking back at the history I've experienced, I think I would credit the KWM-2 as the turning point in the adoption of SSB over AM. Not that the all the masses could afford it [in todays dollars, I think it cost around $10K], and there had been the KWM-1 which didn't seem to catch on well, but the KWM2 introduced the concept of "HF Transceiver," where you transmitted exactly where you were listening ... One Big Knob. Up until this time, ham stations consisted of a receiver, usually commercial, and a transmitter, sometimes commercial, more often than not however either home brewed or converted war surplus. Getting on frequency, and staying there, was hard with the separate components. Once Art's concept showed up, the thriving ham manufacturer market at that time then followed suit ... quickly. The KWM-2A was the workhorse HF radio for the US military in the 60's and 70's. My team and I turned 42 brand new ones to slag puddles at the end of 21 missions. :-(( I still dream about them. For hams, the S-Line was much more versatile and of course secured it's spot in the Ham Radio Hall of Fame too. I think the Heath Twins did too, really good radios, and more available to those of more modest means. I always meant to write Art and tell him how incredibly sturdy his transceiver was. We pulled them on pallets out the back of low-flying C-130s, and all 42 worked. Alas, I procrastinated, and he died. I do wonder now how my S3-Line would have stacked up against my current K2 or K-Line. The Heath Twins weren't first, but they weren't far behind and they made the concept of a transceiver available to a whole lot of hams! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/7/2015 4:31 PM, Bob wrote: > Hi Fred, > > Was the 1st for me. Heath SB's were the poor mans Collins and > Collins had a lot of innovations. > > 73, > Bob > K2TK From tk at nk4i.com Sun Feb 8 01:12:38 2015 From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 01:12:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA in Split Message-ID: <54D6FE56.4050700@nk4i.com> Just noticed something odd with the latest P3 SVGA code (1.35/1.22). Am split on 80m. Held the P3 button for "Center" and rotated the knob so VFO A was closer to the left side of the screen then tapped the button again. All was fine until I tapped Spot on the K3. Then the VFO A marker on the SVGA moved to the center frequency, not the VFO A freq. The P3 is still displaying correctly. Toggling FixTrack got it back in sync, but it's repeatable. Tighe NK4I -- Tighe Kuykendall NK4I | www.NK4I.com | @NK4I ARRL Life Member, NAQCC #6467, FISTS #16746, SKCC #12217 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Feb 8 07:09:13 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 03:09:13 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" Message-ID: <201502081209.t18C9Dii014166@huffman.acsalaska.net> Well I would guess that the Elecraft folks have had a lot of experience working on their equipment so the more "common problems and questions" are known. I worked in a 2-way radio shop 1991-93 and handled all the MT600 repairs (including the P200 and MT1000 which were very close to the same radio design). After you work on several hundred of them in one year you get to know them very well. Especially the common failures and all the weak points in the system. Most times I could tear one down in 2-minutes or less and fix the problem in 15-30 minutes if I had the parts. I can still probably "field strip" one of those radios in the dark by feel. In our shop we did not have a parts man to place orders; each tech maintained parts for the equipment he repaired. That worked very well as the guy doing the fixing best knows what parts he most needs. Later in charge of communications for a company with 180 MT-1000 VHF HT's, I ordered a set of parts for those radios based on my experience of the most probable failures. Also, building a good data base with the combined experiences of all the techs. is a great aid for customer assistance. Having good repair flow diagrams can result. All things I have done in my past professional life. This is one of the things companies that get rid of the "old guys" often fail to realize. They are loosing long years of experience. During Y2K Cobol programmers retired 10-20 years were called to fix the sw; none of the young "punks" knew Cobol. ----------------------- Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. Are there also magic potions and incantations available? 73 de Brian/K3KO 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Sun Feb 8 07:14:37 2015 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 05:14:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K160RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If someone has a K160RX for the K2 that is excess to their needs I?d be interested in chatting about transferring ownership to me @ Rodenkirch_llc at msn.com ?71.5, 72 Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV From rhulett1 at consolidated.net Sun Feb 8 07:31:05 2015 From: rhulett1 at consolidated.net (Curt) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 06:31:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1]K1 still a great QRP radio Message-ID: <1745F65FAE5042D79196B7202BD947A8@DB1B1VF1> I know the K1 is ancient history, built K1-4 s/n 2258 sometime ago. Have worn out and replaced a VFO pot and two headphone jacks. Even with a K2 sitting on the desk, still very much enjoy using the K1 QRPp either inside or out on the patio or out in a park. A classic IMHO, too bad the 4 band filter board is no longer available. 73, Curt KB5JO From wb1edi at hotmail.com Sun Feb 8 07:47:41 2015 From: wb1edi at hotmail.com (barry whittemore) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 07:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer Message-ID: Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 8 elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net 2/07/15 Groups To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to elecraft at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (brian) 2. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (Larry Libsch) 3. Testing email (Richard Fjeld) 4. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (brian) 5. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (George Dubovsky) 6. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (Walter Underwood) 7. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) 8. Re: A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer (Joe Subich, W4TV) 9. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) 10. CW for those with Poor Hearing (Chuck Smallhouse) 11. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) 12. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (Phil Kane) 13. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (Dale Putnam) 14. The Ultimate Legendary Elecraft Support Story (Eric Norris) 15. WTB K160M (James Rodenkirch) 16. Re: More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" (briana) 17. OT: CW Skimmer (GDR) 18. Re: OT: CW Skimmer (Bob) 19. KAT3 Reset? (Joe Subich, W4TV) 20. K3-RTTY-No Diddles (paul ecker via Elecraft) 21. Re: KAT3 Reset? (Wayne Burdick) 22. Re: OT: CW Skimmer (Fred Jensen) 23. Re: KAT3 Reset? (Joe Subich, W4TV) 24. PX3 on rx/io output when PX3 is powered on. (John Lally) 25. Re: K3-RTTY-No Diddles (Don Wilhelm) 26. Re: OT: CW Skimmer (Bob) 27. SSB net (Phil Shepard) 28. Re: P3 Beta SVGA Inop (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:27:42 +0000 From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Legendary Elecraft Service or "The Turning of the Screw" Message-ID: <54D531CE.7080208 at nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Makes you wonder how they know such seeming impossible-to-know things. Are there also magic potions and incantations available? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/6/2015 20:55 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > A couple of days ago I reported a fall-off in output from my K3 on > some bands. I wrote about this to Howard, K6IA, at Elecraft service, > who wrote back and suggested that one or more of the three screws that > attach the LPA board to the lower cover of the radio might have loosened. > > Sure enough - one of the three was 1/2 turn short of tight. Tightened > it up, tested, all normal again. Ran auto TX calibration, all > successful. I happy camper am. Thanks Howard! > ------------------------------ CW contesting is far from declining. it is increasing. here is the CQWW stats for past 10 years. 7442 in 2013 vs 4109 in 2004 shows a big increase. Barry NF1O YearSSB EntriesCW EntriesTotal Entries20138,4827,44215,92420128,1907,22815,41820117,4746,70914,18320106,5496,16412,71320096,0595,85811,91720085,0175,32010,33720075,0084,8529,86020064,5394,5939,13220054,4464,0908,53620044,3684,0558,42320034,0494,1098,158 Message: 2 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:38:05 -0500 From: Larry Libsch To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A K3 Pileup Wrinkle with CW Skimmer Message-ID: <54D5343D.4050201 at bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > For those who are so disabled as to require an external "crutch" to > copy their own call and 5NN, it is a simple matter to reverse channels > in the sound card (at most it requires a "reversing cable") to decode > audio on the sub Receiver. Ah, the old CW snobbery! When is the notion that paddle or key generated CW is superior to software and keyer generated code going to disappear? You decode RTTY with software, don't you? CW is just another digital mode. Software decoding has brought many new CW ops into CW DXing and contesting. Software encoding is more accurate and allows many ops to achieve speeds they could never otherwise achieve. Perhaps you use a keyer for contesting? Many (most?) contesters do. CW contest participation is declining. RTTY contest participation is increasing. Software is every where improving our lives. Time to give up on old ways and ideas and move into the future. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 8 08:46:57 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <723134415.1394876.1423364442872.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <723134415.1394876.1423364442872.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D768D1.3040100@embarqmail.com> Paul, Make a test connector from a DB15 connector - so you can manually short between pin 1 and pin 5 - do not connect the Microham supplied cable. Start the 'send' process, listen for the single tone, then short between pin 1 and pin 5 - the tone should change. If it does, than the K3 is OK, look for the problem in the Microham box or the cable. If the tone does not change with that test, contact Elecraft support. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/7/2015 10:00 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > Don - The Output of DK II is connected to the K3 ACC port using a DB15-EL-K3 cable supplied by microHam with the DK II. > 73 Paulkc2nyu > ----------------------------------Paul, > > Details on how you are connecting the DKII FSK output to the K3 please. > > A quick perusal of the DKII information indicates to me that the FSK > output is from a computer COM port - which to me indicates that it is > RS-232 levels. > Those RS-232 levels must be converted to TTL levels by a "one transistor > keying circuit" and the output of that circuit applied to the K3 ACC > connector pin 1. > > The fact that you have a single tone indicates to me that you do not > have anything connected to the K3 ACC connector that will pull pin 1 to > ground. That means that the K3 will generate the space tone, but there > is nothing to tell the K3 to change the tone to a mark tone. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sun Feb 8 09:29:36 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 07:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: [K1]K1 still a great QRP radio In-Reply-To: <1745F65FAE5042D79196B7202BD947A8@DB1B1VF1> References: <1745F65FAE5042D79196B7202BD947A8@DB1B1VF1> Message-ID: I agree Curt, they are a great radio, fine specs, operate easily, not a lot of fuss at all, and not a big appetite for battery either. I understand the 4 band board had to go away because the tuning caps went away.... I'd sure support any effort to correct that, somehow. Maybe a conversation would be in order...... Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > From: rhulett1 at consolidated.net > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 06:31:05 -0600 > Subject: [Elecraft] [K1]K1 still a great QRP radio > > I know the K1 is ancient history, built K1-4 s/n 2258 sometime ago. Have > worn out and replaced a VFO pot and two headphone jacks. Even with a K2 > sitting on the desk, still very much enjoy using the K1 QRPp either inside > or out on the patio or out in a park. A classic IMHO, too bad the 4 band > filter board is no longer available. > > 73, Curt KB5JO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sun Feb 8 09:30:06 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:30:06 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <54D768D1.3040100@embarqmail.com> References: <723134415.1394876.1423364442872.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54D768D1.3040100@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D772EE.7030007@horizon.co.fk> Paul, I have used the microHAM digi keyer II with the K3 and MMTTY within Logger32 and using the K3 cable BD15-EL-K3. There are detailed configuration documents on the microHAM web site for a variety of applications. You do not need any level changers. It is all done in the DK II. When I bought a new PC the on board sound was perfectly good and I removed the DK. For me AFSK works fine with just a couple of audio leads and with PTT over the RS232 interface. Regards, Mike VP8NO From cyaffey at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 09:42:46 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 09:42:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net In-Reply-To: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> References: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> Message-ID: I?m one of those who can barely hear Phil here in Ohio. But I can hear him well enough on my wonderful K3 to tell when he has heard me. Nice to be able to get over his tall trees! I?ll check in more often when the time changes in March. 73, Carl K8NU > On Feb 7, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Phil Shepard wrote: > > The weekly SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800Z at 14.3035 MHz. I will be the NCS from western OR. > > There has been some traffic lately about difficulty hearing my signal and getting into the net. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com From cyaffey at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 09:47:03 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 09:47:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SK estate sales Message-ID: Thanks to all of you that purchased Elecraft items from the estate sale I?m managing. I even bought a K1 myself! I have a few QRP items left. I?ll be posting them on QRP-L. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com From lew at n6lew.us Sun Feb 8 09:55:19 2015 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 06:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net In-Reply-To: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> References: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> Message-ID: I live in Pasadena CA, two miles from the base of a very high (7000?+ peaks) mountain range that runs east to west, blocking signals to and from the North. My K3 is barefoot (12 watts), fed into a 43-foot vertical. Despite these limitations, Phil hears me well on most nets that I try to check into. This is a tribute to his K3 and his operating skill. We should all recognize what4 a great job Phil does in controlling the net each week, and the work he puts into the task both to control the net and report results each week. Thank, Phil! 73, Lew Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Phil Shepard wrote: > > The weekly SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800Z at 14.3035 MHz. I will be the NCS from western OR. > > There has been some traffic lately about difficulty hearing my signal and getting into the net. Here are the particulars. The majority of the calls for check-ins is by me. I am in the NW corner of the continental US and point my antenna generally east. My QTH isn?t ideal, but it isn?t terrible either. I sit in a valley covered with 125 to 150? Douglas-fir trees, and my take off to the east is into a forested upslope. On the other hand, I don?t have nearby neighbors and therefore have a reasonably low noise level. That, coupled with the excellent K3 means I can hear most anyone who can put out a modest signal. This includes many QRP stations from the eastern time zone. My antenna is a two element cubical quad at 75?. The K3 drives a KPA500 at 500 plus watts. > > We use a number of relay stations. These are typically in southern CA, CO, TX, GA and the northeast US. Others help out when they hear stations that nobody else hears. We also call for QRP only stations. The bottom line is that we pick up most everyone. This often includes ZL1PWD off the back of our antennas! > > So, if you can?t hear me, listen for the other relays. If you can?t hear any of the relay stations or me, use that as motivation for some antenna work this spring. > > 73, > Phil, NS7P > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Feb 8 10:26:28 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 08:26:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA in Split In-Reply-To: <54D6FE56.4050700@nk4i.com> References: <54D6FE56.4050700@nk4i.com> Message-ID: <1423409188883-7598024.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Tighe, I was able to repeatedly duplicate what you described. I think you found a bug. First, we should get the nomenclature correct. You don't mean "VFO A Marker" you mean "VFO A Cursor". And the problem only occurs in Tracking mode. And the problem is not just caused by pressing the Spot button. If you gently twist the VFO A dial the center frequency on the top of the SVGA screen changes and the VFO A cursor jumps to the center of the screen on the external monitor. The P3 display remains as it was. In addition to toggling FixTrack you can also clear it by a very slight turn of the P3 knob if the center frequency shift function is still active. A slight turn will make the VFO A cursor jump back to where it was set at the side of the screen. Others may not have noticed it because the whole idea of having the VFO A cursor not in the center of the screen really cries out for Fixed Tune mode rather Tracking mode. 73, Mike K2MK Tighe Kuykendall wrote > Just noticed something odd with the latest P3 SVGA code (1.35/1.22). > > Am split on 80m. Held the P3 button for "Center" and rotated the knob > so VFO A was closer to the left side of the screen then tapped the > button again. All was fine until I tapped Spot on the K3. Then the VFO > A marker on the SVGA moved to the center frequency, not the VFO A freq. > The P3 is still displaying correctly. Toggling FixTrack got it back > in sync, but it's repeatable. > > Tighe > NK4I -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-in-Split-tp7598013p7598024.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From phystad at mac.com Sun Feb 8 11:23:08 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 08:23:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net In-Reply-To: References: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> Message-ID: <16EF21FC-0CA5-47BE-BFF4-E4B5F8581399@mac.com> Well, I don't need to be in Ohio to barely hear Phil, I can barely hear him at all with my 258 mile distance from his Elmira, OR QTH. I haven't tried to QNI for maybe a year, I might try again this morning. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote: > > I?m one of those who can barely hear Phil here in Ohio. But I can hear him well enough on my wonderful K3 to tell when he has heard me. Nice to be able to get over his tall trees! I?ll check in more often when the time changes in March. > 73, > Carl K8NU > >> On Feb 7, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Phil Shepard wrote: >> >> The weekly SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800Z at 14.3035 MHz. I will be the NCS from western OR. >> >> There has been some traffic lately about difficulty hearing my signal and getting into the net. > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 8 11:28:43 2015 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 11:28:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <54D6D36D.3020200@foothill.net> References: <0B86455D-A629-4D6F-97AF-89DF3C043B52@charter.net> <54D66D9D.8060909@att.net> <54D68113.3060205@foothill.net> <54D6AE51.6070602@att.net> <54D6D36D.3020200@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54D78EBB.7070605@roadrunner.com> I think very few hams could afford the KWM-2. I'll give Collins the credit for the innovation but I think the Heath SB series had a much bigger influence on the average ham. 73, Roger (former owner of the SB-101) On 2/7/2015 10:09 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I'm working on my 62nd year as a ham and looking back at the history I've > experienced, I think I would credit the KWM-2 as the turning point in the > adoption of SSB over AM. Not that the all the masses could afford it [in > todays dollars, I think it cost around $10K], and there had been the KWM-1 > which didn't seem to catch on well, but the KWM2 introduced the concept of "HF > Transceiver," where you transmitted exactly where you were listening ... One > Big Knob. > > From w2lj at verizon.net Sun Feb 8 11:34:20 2015 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 11:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Tuesday Night! Message-ID: <684778.48479.bm@smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> NAQCC Sprint Tuesday night! The February sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (February 10th, EST - 8:30-10:30PM, CST - 7:30-9:30PM, MST - 6:30-8:30PM, PST - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, February 11th, 0130 to 0330Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://naqcc.info/sprint201502.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Feb 8 12:04:14 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 09:04:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54D7970E.900@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From kt5d at charter.net Sun Feb 8 14:15:15 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:15:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AM receive bandwidth Message-ID: <2682EBD3-E1A8-4F07-86ED-A9FB1BC68983@charter.net> The widest filter in my K3 is the 2.8 kHZ in the main receiver. It also has the general coverage accessory for SWLing. My question is this; when I select AM mode, is this filter in the signal path or is it bypassed? If I were to add the 6 khz filter, would AM mode fidelity improve? I only care about receiving, not transmitting. From k1uo at tds.net Sun Feb 8 14:31:56 2015 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and RTTY Message-ID: <2F9DDB512D4646B4B037C3987D7FCDDD@DenComputer> I have a K3/0 and remote K3 setup using the RemoteRig boxes from Elecraft. SSB/CW is fine. When I switch the K3/0 to DATA mode and set up the onboard text decode and FSK to 45Bps . I get nothing but gibberish.. There is NO decoding possible for RTTY and the CW-RTTY does not key the remote unit either. 1: Does this feature even work when in the Remote configuration like this? Also, the minute I switch to the DATA mode with the K3/0 , I get a ?-S? indicator just below the DATA Mode indicator and then under that is the ?T? indicating TEXT Mode is on. 2: What does the ?-S? mean? cant find it in the manual. From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 8 14:35:58 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AM receive bandwidth In-Reply-To: <2682EBD3-E1A8-4F07-86ED-A9FB1BC68983@charter.net> References: <2682EBD3-E1A8-4F07-86ED-A9FB1BC68983@charter.net> Message-ID: <54D7BA9E.2050504@subich.com> > My question is this; when I select AM mode, is this filter in the > signal path or is it bypassed? In the signal path. > If I were to add the 6 khz filter, would AM mode fidelity improve? Most certainly. While you can receive 2.8 KHz AM with the 2.8 KHz filter *IF* you enable the synch detector, the 6 KHz filter will give you about 3 to 3.5 KHz audio with the normal envelope detector. > I only care about receiving, not transmitting. If you only care about receiving, consider the "FM" (13 KHz) filter. That one will give you ~4.5 KHz audio with the envelope detector and allow you to transmit AM if you ever want to do so as well as transmit and receive FM (above 29.5 MHz, 6 meters and 2 Meters with the 2M transverter if you chose to install it). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-08 2:15 PM, GDR wrote: > > The widest filter in my K3 is the 2.8 kHZ in the main receiver. It > also has the general coverage accessory for SWLing. My question is > this; when I select AM mode, is this filter in the signal path or is > it bypassed? If I were to add the 6 khz filter, would AM mode > fidelity improve? I only care about receiving, not transmitting. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Feb 8 14:43:38 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 11:43:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and RTTY In-Reply-To: <2F9DDB512D4646B4B037C3987D7FCDDD@DenComputer> References: <2F9DDB512D4646B4B037C3987D7FCDDD@DenComputer> Message-ID: <134A8540-1473-49DB-9EAC-B0AE8A5E3562@elecraft.com> Both RTTY and CW decode should work remotely. Use a narrow filter passband tune the signal in carefully using the CWT meter scale (pgs. 33 and 34 of the owner's manual). Decode accuracy is affected by noise, fading, and interference, but should work as long as the signal is correctly tuned in and has a high enough S/N ratio. CW decode is more difficult in the presence of noise and sloppy timing. If you see the "-S" icon on the LCD, you are in "sync-data" mode, which is typically used for AMTOR or PACTOR (pg. 32). These modes require faster turn-around times, which the K3 facilitates by not switching crystal filters between transmit and receive. The only way to get the K3 into sync-data mode is to assign the CONFIG:SYNC DT menu entry to a programmable function switch. You may have done this accidentally. To get it back out of this mode, temporarily assign this menu entry to a programmable switch, exit the menu, then press that switch. This should turn off the -S. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, "Larry - K1UO" wrote: > I have a K3/0 and remote K3 setup using the RemoteRig boxes from Elecraft. SSB/CW is fine. When I switch the K3/0 to DATA mode and set up the onboard text decode and FSK to 45Bps . I get nothing but gibberish.. There is NO decoding possible for RTTY and the CW-RTTY does not key the remote unit either. > > 1: Does this feature even work when in the Remote configuration like this? > > Also, the minute I switch to the DATA mode with the K3/0 , I get a ?-S? indicator just below the DATA Mode indicator and then under that is the ?T? indicating TEXT Mode is on. > > 2: What does the ?-S? mean? cant find it in the manual. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k1uo at tds.net Sun Feb 8 14:59:09 2015 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and RTTY In-Reply-To: <134A8540-1473-49DB-9EAC-B0AE8A5E3562@elecraft.com> References: <2F9DDB512D4646B4B037C3987D7FCDDD@DenComputer> <134A8540-1473-49DB-9EAC-B0AE8A5E3562@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Got the CONFIG: SYNC DT off finally...Thanks so much. RX Signal levels on RTTY are S9+..still gibberish decode over the Remote system? -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:43 PM To: Larry - K1UO Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 and RTTY Both RTTY and CW decode should work remotely. Use a narrow filter passband tune the signal in carefully using the CWT meter scale (pgs. 33 and 34 of the owner's manual). Decode accuracy is affected by noise, fading, and interference, but should work as long as the signal is correctly tuned in and has a high enough S/N ratio. CW decode is more difficult in the presence of noise and sloppy timing. If you see the "-S" icon on the LCD, you are in "sync-data" mode, which is typically used for AMTOR or PACTOR (pg. 32). These modes require faster turn-around times, which the K3 facilitates by not switching crystal filters between transmit and receive. The only way to get the K3 into sync-data mode is to assign the CONFIG:SYNC DT menu entry to a programmable function switch. You may have done this accidentally. To get it back out of this mode, temporarily assign this menu entry to a programmable switch, exit the menu, then press that switch. This should turn off the -S. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, "Larry - K1UO" wrote: > I have a K3/0 and remote K3 setup using the RemoteRig boxes from Elecraft. > SSB/CW is fine. When I switch the K3/0 to DATA mode and set up the > onboard text decode and FSK to 45Bps . I get nothing but gibberish.. > There is NO decoding possible for RTTY and the CW-RTTY does not key the > remote unit either. > > 1: Does this feature even work when in the Remote configuration like > this? > > Also, the minute I switch to the DATA mode with the K3/0 , I get a ?-S? > indicator just below the DATA Mode indicator and then under that is the ?T? > indicating TEXT Mode is on. > > 2: What does the ?-S? mean? cant find it in the manual. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k1uo at tds.net Sun Feb 8 15:05:41 2015 From: k1uo at tds.net (Larry - K1UO) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 15:05:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and RTTY Message-ID: <917F7BD65D1D4C1BB2028109FC02FF4D@DenComputer> I should also mention we are using Fiber to the home for Inet here and 10MB DSL link at the remote Typical ping times are 50MS range and Latency range is usually 10-20 range and Jitter 0-4 range usually 0 as it was a moment ago when tested. Not sure why RTTY decode is a problem using the setup mentioned in the manual. From edwest at sisqtel.net Sun Feb 8 16:21:26 2015 From: edwest at sisqtel.net (Ed) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 13:21:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles Message-ID: <54D7D356.7030303@sisqtel.net> Mike You are stating that you are trying to use FSK. MMTTY requires "EXTFSK" to be added to the MMTTY folder for it to be functional for FSK. Also EXTFSK needs to be configured. A small window will appear showing the lead assignments. These must agree with the com port assignments associated with the USB Router. EXTFSK is available on the MMTTY Web Site, just scroll down the MMTTY page and you will find where to download it. The page also has an excellent explanation on how to use EXTFSK. In addition make sure you have the K3's data mode set to FSK D. Should work, works for me. Ed K6ED From davidahrendts at me.com Sun Feb 8 16:22:06 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 13:22:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net In-Reply-To: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> References: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> Message-ID: Phil, you were 59+20 into LA this morning off the South side of your beam. Gonna try you QRP one of these weeks. Maybe a wire in the trees from Mt. Baldy. ? Sent by Apple iPad3 magic! > On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Phil Shepard wrote: > > The weekly SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800Z at 14.3035 MHz. I will be the NCS from western OR. > > There has been some traffic lately about difficulty hearing my signal and getting into the net. Here are the particulars. The majority of the calls for check-ins is by me. I am in the NW corner of the continental US and point my antenna generally east. My QTH isn?t ideal, but it isn?t terrible either. I sit in a valley covered with 125 to 150? Douglas-fir trees, and my take off to the east is into a forested upslope. On the other hand, I don?t have nearby neighbors and therefore have a reasonably low noise level. That, coupled with the excellent K3 means I can hear most anyone who can put out a modest signal. This includes many QRP stations from the eastern time zone. My antenna is a two element cubical quad at 75?. The K3 drives a KPA500 at 500 plus watts. > > We use a number of relay stations. These are typically in southern CA, CO, TX, GA and the northeast US. Others help out when they hear stations that nobody else hears. We also call for QRP only stations. The bottom line is that we pick up most everyone. This often includes ZL1PWD off the back of our antennas! > > So, if you can?t hear me, listen for the other relays. If you can?t hear any of the relay stations or me, use that as motivation for some antenna work this spring. > > 73, > Phil, NS7P > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Feb 8 16:27:15 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:27:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net Message-ID: I agree, Phil does an excellent job. What I really like about the net is how stations around the country will relay for those who can't contact Phil directly. Many of them seem to be in the state of Washington, which I put down to the wonders of 20M propagation. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/8/15 at 6:55 AM, lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) wrote: >We should all recognize what4 a great job Phil does in >controlling the net each week, and the work he puts into the >task both to control the net and report results each week. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From mickchall at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 8 16:37:14 2015 From: mickchall at yahoo.co.uk (Mick Hall) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 21:37:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build: Voltmeter Probe Assembly help Message-ID: <1423431434.94589.YahooMailBasic@web172501.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi I have been progressing through the tests on my K2 build (7587), and have assembled the voltmeter probe as per instructions on page 44 of the manual, and engaged the crimp pin in the upper part of the housing as per the diagram. When I touch the tinned end of the wire on pin 1 of the I/O controller, U1 on the RF board, I get a reading of zero volts on the K2 LCD. It is meant to be 6V approx. I have tested with my DMM that their are no breaks in the probe. All other tests, before and after, have been fine up to the start of Assembly Part II . Is this anything to worry about? Best Regards Mick From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 8 16:43:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 21:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AM receive bandwidth In-Reply-To: <2682EBD3-E1A8-4F07-86ED-A9FB1BC68983@charter.net> References: <2682EBD3-E1A8-4F07-86ED-A9FB1BC68983@charter.net> Message-ID: <700952857.981375.1423431828268.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> if you have the SSB filter the AM mode will use it for Receive I have the AM and the FM filter in my main receiver and for RX it only used the AM filterIn my sub receiver I have only the FM filter and it used that for AM receive If you are interested in AM receive only the FM filter may be the one to add first From: GDR To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AM receive bandwidth The widest filter in my K3 is the 2.8 kHZ in the main receiver. It also has the general coverage accessory for SWLing. My question is this; when I select AM mode, is this filter in the signal path or is it bypassed? If I were to add the 6 khz filter, would AM mode fidelity improve? I only care about receiving, not transmitting. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Sun Feb 8 17:06:00 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 16:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Is there a generic UDC contest editor for N1MM+ Message-ID: <54D7DDC8.5090000@sunflower.com> Hey OMs. I wanted to define a contest program for HF for one of my club's contests....and don't seem to find the UDC (user designed contest) folder/program at the N1MM+ website. There was one, I believe, with the earlier N1MM (but not the plus). Can't find that either. I wanted to keep it very general. Anybody got a clue? ps I'm running, of course, K3, P3, winkeyer smd and system 7.0 Uncle Phil, W0XI aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 8 17:48:26 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 17:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build: Voltmeter Probe Assembly help In-Reply-To: <1423431434.94589.YahooMailBasic@web172501.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <1423431434.94589.YahooMailBasic@web172501.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D7E7BA.70806@embarqmail.com> Mick, Since you have a DMM, read the voltage on RF Board U1 pin 1 to ground with your DMM. If it is something other than a nominal 6 volts, then you have a problem with the voltage regulator or something else on the voltage regulator output. This is the first step of your testing - make sure you have a valid voltage there to measure. If all that is correct, then you can proceed to evaluate the voltage probe. Make certain the jumper on the P7 header is set to EXT. Use your DMM (with K2 power off) to measure the resistance between the probe 'tip' and the center pin of P7 (measure on the back of the Control Board). You should see near zero ohms. If it is not zero, then check that the crimp pin in the probe is inserted and seated correctly. Those crimp pins give many builders trouble. Then power up the K2 and again touch the 'probe' to RF U1 pin 1. If it does not indicate something near 6 volts, check the soldering of CB R9, R10, U3, and U6 pin 5. If you do not resolve this problem, then there is a chance that you will be plagued by "LO BAT" messages. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/8/2015 4:37 PM, Mick Hall wrote: > Hi > > I have been progressing through the tests on my K2 build (7587), and have assembled the voltmeter probe as per instructions on page 44 of the manual, and engaged the crimp pin in the upper part of the housing as per the diagram. > > When I touch the tinned end of the wire on pin 1 of the I/O controller, U1 on the RF board, I get a reading of zero volts on the K2 LCD. It is meant to be 6V approx. > > I have tested with my DMM that their are no breaks in the probe. All other tests, before and after, have been fine up to the start of Assembly Part II . > > Is this anything to worry about? > > From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 8 18:14:40 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:14:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <54D7D356.7030303@sisqtel.net> References: <54D7D356.7030303@sisqtel.net> Message-ID: <54D7EDE0.4030106@subich.com> > MMTTY requires "EXTFSK" to be added to the MMTTY folder for it to be > functional for FSK. Absolutely incorrect with microHAM microKEYER II and Digikeyer II. Both interfaces provide a UART interface that works like a COM Port capable of handling 45.45 baud. Please see the example configurations for MMTTY with MK II and DK II in the MK II and DK II sections at www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-08 4:21 PM, Ed wrote: > Mike > > You are stating that you are trying to use FSK. MMTTY requires "EXTFSK" > to be added to the MMTTY folder for it to be functional for FSK. Also > EXTFSK needs to be configured. A small window will appear showing the > lead assignments. These must agree with the com port assignments > associated with the USB Router. EXTFSK is available on the MMTTY Web > Site, just scroll down the MMTTY page and you will find where to > download it. The page also has an excellent explanation on how to use > EXTFSK. In addition make sure you have the K3's data mode set to FSK > D. Should work, works for me. > > Ed K6ED > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ed at w0yk.com Sun Feb 8 18:27:13 2015 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 15:27:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <54D7D356.7030303@sisqtel.net> References: <54D7D356.7030303@sisqtel.net> Message-ID: <253F8F737DCF4754BC3FD282E58DF8C9@h81420t> EXTFSK is only required if a USB-Serial interface is used which doesn't have an adequate UART implementation to support 45 baud and the 5-bit code. The Digi International Edgeport/4 and /8 interfaces work fine without EXTFSK. The microHam interfaces also work fine without the EXTFSK module. Ed W0YK ________________________________________________________________ Ed K6ED wrote: You are stating that you are trying to use FSK. MMTTY requires "EXTFSK" to be added to the MMTTY folder for it to be functional for FSK. Also EXTFSK needs to be configured. A small window will appear showing the lead assignments. These must agree with the com port assignments associated with the USB Router. EXTFSK is available on the MMTTY Web Site, just scroll down the MMTTY page and you will find where to download it. The page also has an excellent explanation on how to use EXTFSK. In addition make sure you have the K3's data mode set to FSK D. Should work, works for me. From n5lz at comcast.net Sun Feb 8 18:49:52 2015 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and KRX3 Pileup Video - new Message-ID: <000a01d043f9$eee531e0$ccaf95a0$@comcast.net> I apologize for taking more bandwidth, but I think this video is worth sharing with other Elecraft users. It is very similar to another video I posted a couple days ago, but this one is much better, and really demonstrates the capabilities of the KRX3 and P3 in a huge pileup. Essentially, it's the Navassa DXpedition, K1N, running a US/VE pileup on 15meter CW earlier this afternoon. Using the subreceiver and P3 I was able to spot the K1N listening frequency on more than 80 percent of his QSOs, more than enough to help me figure out his tuning pattern. I monitored for about 30 minutes until he got louder, and since I had his tuning pattern figured out I decided to try to work him. . and I got him after five calls .. Essentially because I knew almost exactly where he would be listening. It's all on the video. Follow the link and take a look/listen: https://vimeo.com/119076467 Don, N5LZ From Ken at whidbey.com Sun Feb 8 18:58:22 2015 From: Ken at whidbey.com (Ken Schillinger) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 15:58:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Message-ID: <036d01d043fb$1f05caf0$5d1160d0$@whidbey.com> I'm one of those stations located in the NW region of WA State that can (most of the time) barely hear you Phil. On some day such as this today I was able to hear you frequently, but again required the aid of a relay station. I'd like to thank you for running the net and I'd especially like to give a big thank you to the many relay stations. 73 Ken / ke7hge From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Feb 8 19:19:26 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:19:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs Message-ID: Like Don, N5LZ, I've been playing in the K1N 15M pileup. However, I don't have a KRX3, so I'm using the REV button to listen to the pileup. My user interface problem comes from having the tuning knob for VFO B switch from the medium size knob to the big knob when I press REV. I have the little knob -- RIT/XIT -- set for fast tuning, so I have 3 tuning knobs, not counting the QSY knob/button on the P3. Since I'm running with VFO A locked, to avoid losing K1N by brushing a tuning knob, there is really only one VFO that can be tuned. However the cognitive load of switching tuning knobs when I press REV is a bit more than my feeble brain can handle. Does anyone have a work around, or should I ask Elecraft to change the tuning implementation in some way. One way that might work is to always have the big knob tune VFO A and the medium tune VFO B, even if REV is being held. Another would be to have the fact that VFO A is locked change all three knobs tune VFO B, which would allow high-speed tuning. I guess I have to up the priority of the KRX3, But I also need the KAT3 and the KDVR3 and a bunch of other stuff that's better to put in first. HIHI What's a poor ham to do? YMMV 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Feb 8 19:45:20 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 16:45:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D80320.9080202@foothill.net> I don't have the KRX3 either, I'm not really sure what I'd do with it. I watch the pile on the P3. Ordinarily, on something not as popular as Navassa, when the DX answers, the pile dies quickly, and then one [OK, maybe two] signals pop up. I park VFO B next to him and call next. Sometimes it's like fishing with dynamite. It does help to know if the DX op is right or left-handed to choose which side of the station to park on. :-) K1N is quite a bit different. When they acknowledge a station, a lot more than one or two signals pop up and it takes me awhile to identify who the real QSO is. I've found that the one that goes away exactly when K1N sends "TU" seems to be the best indicator. I've never had much luck actually listening on my TX QRG, but I'm going to try it, I didn't know that REV switched the knobs. The other day, it appeared that the entire pile ... every station ... was a W4 because when he sent "W4", the whole pile came back. DX'ing is frantic, but not as frantic as the NA Sprint. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/8/2015 4:19 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Like Don, N5LZ, I've been playing in the K1N 15M pileup. However, I > don't have a KRX3, so I'm using the REV button to listen to the pileup. > My user interface problem comes from having the tuning knob for VFO B > switch from the medium size knob to the big knob when I press REV. > > I have the little knob -- RIT/XIT -- set for fast tuning, so I have 3 > tuning knobs, not counting the QSY knob/button on the P3. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 8 19:53:59 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:53:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D80527.3040307@embarqmail.com> Bill, I for one would not want to have your proposed 'solution'. When you do REV, the VFOs exchange from VFO A to VFO B. When in REV, one would normally do tuning with the VFO A knob (because what was VFO B is now VFO A). Messing with the VFO B knob while in REV will change the frequency of what was previously your VFO A frequency. With a K3 not equipped with the KRX3 option, I would suggest the following operation: You want to end up with VFO B listening on the desired station, so switch to VFO B using the A/B button and tune in the DX station of interest. OK, he is operating split up 2 to 5 kHz up (assumption). Now tap A/B to switch back to VFO A (you will transmit on the VFO A frequency). Find the spot in the pileup that you would like to transmit on and that is all there is to it. In other words, you would listen to your transmit frequency (VFO A) unless you hold the REV button when you would be listening to the DX station (K1N). 73, Don W3FPR On 2/8/2015 7:19 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Like Don, N5LZ, I've been playing in the K1N 15M pileup. However, I > don't have a KRX3, so I'm using the REV button to listen to the > pileup. My user interface problem comes from having the tuning knob > for VFO B switch from the medium size knob to the big knob when I > press REV. > > I have the little knob -- RIT/XIT -- set for fast tuning, so I have 3 > tuning knobs, not counting the QSY knob/button on the P3. > > Since I'm running with VFO A locked, to avoid losing K1N by brushing a > tuning knob, there is really only one VFO that can be tuned. However > the cognitive load of switching tuning knobs when I press REV is a bit > more than my feeble brain can handle. > > Does anyone have a work around, or should I ask Elecraft to change the > tuning implementation in some way. One way that might work is to > always have the big knob tune VFO A and the medium tune VFO B, even if > REV is being held. Another would be to have the fact that VFO A is > locked change all three knobs tune VFO B, which would allow high-speed > tuning. > > I guess I have to up the priority of the KRX3, But I also need the > KAT3 and the KDVR3 and a bunch of other stuff that's better to put in > first. HIHI What's a poor ham to do? > > YMMV 73 Bill AE6JV > From wes at triconet.org Sun Feb 8 21:06:06 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: <54D80527.3040307@embarqmail.com> References: <54D80527.3040307@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D8160E.5040002@triconet.org> You're kidding, right? You're going to hold in a button to listen to the DX? If too many people are doing this then it's no wonder people are calling while the DX is transmitting. You want to listen to the DX, not the callers. What do you learn from them? Wes N7WS On 2/8/2015 5:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > [snip] > > In other words, you would listen to your transmit frequency (VFO A) unless you > hold the REV button when you would be listening to the DX station (K1N). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Sun Feb 8 21:08:24 2015 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 20:08:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: <54D80320.9080202@foothill.net> References: <54D80320.9080202@foothill.net> Message-ID: <000a01d0440d$498dfc90$dca9f5b0$@austin.rr.com> The most amazing thing to me about the 15M CW pileup is there were dozens of stations calling when K1N was transmitting. Either they are not hearing him (but then why call?) or they just keep hitting the function key and hope to win the lottery!. This is over and above the usual group that calls again even when he comes back to someone who doesn't have a single common letter in their call. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 6:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs I don't have the KRX3 either, I'm not really sure what I'd do with it. I watch the pile on the P3. Ordinarily, on something not as popular as Navassa, when the DX answers, the pile dies quickly, and then one [OK, maybe two] signals pop up. I park VFO B next to him and call next. Sometimes it's like fishing with dynamite. It does help to know if the DX op is right or left-handed to choose which side of the station to park on. :-) K1N is quite a bit different. When they acknowledge a station, a lot more than one or two signals pop up and it takes me awhile to identify who the real QSO is. I've found that the one that goes away exactly when K1N sends "TU" seems to be the best indicator. I've never had much luck actually listening on my TX QRG, but I'm going to try it, I didn't know that REV switched the knobs. The other day, it appeared that the entire pile ... every station ... was a W4 because when he sent "W4", the whole pile came back. DX'ing is frantic, but not as frantic as the NA Sprint. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/8/2015 4:19 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Like Don, N5LZ, I've been playing in the K1N 15M pileup. However, I > don't have a KRX3, so I'm using the REV button to listen to the pileup. > My user interface problem comes from having the tuning knob for VFO B > switch from the medium size knob to the big knob when I press REV. > > I have the little knob -- RIT/XIT -- set for fast tuning, so I have 3 > tuning knobs, not counting the QSY knob/button on the P3. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 21:22:38 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 19:22:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: <54D8160E.5040002@triconet.org> References: <54D80527.3040307@embarqmail.com> <54D8160E.5040002@triconet.org> Message-ID: I lock the main tuning (VFO A) on the DX ... prevents uh-ohs. I then rest my left fingers on the top front edge of the K3 and hold the REV button with my left index finger as needed while tuning the main VFO with my right hand. It's pretty easy to find the station the DX is working and releasing the REV button puts my TX on caller's frequency to "tail end" with my call. Usually works. (;-) On Feb 8, 2015 7:06 PM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > You're kidding, right? You're going to hold in a button to listen to the > DX? If too many people are doing this then it's no wonder people are > calling while the DX is transmitting. > > You want to listen to the DX, not the callers. What do you learn from > them? > > Wes N7WS > > On 2/8/2015 5:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> In other words, you would listen to your transmit frequency (VFO A) >> unless you hold the REV button when you would be listening to the DX >> station (K1N). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 21:27:00 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 19:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: References: <54D80527.3040307@embarqmail.com> <54D8160E.5040002@triconet.org> Message-ID: "Rose" was (obviously) me making my post from her email account. (;-) 73 Ken - K0PP From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Feb 8 21:48:06 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 18:48:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: <000a01d0440d$498dfc90$dca9f5b0$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: I do think this DXpedition is suffering from a new (to me) low in behavior. We have the usual problems with people tuning on the DX fx, responding when they shouldn't, and not getting into split -- I've had that problem and thank the people, here and elsewhere, who helped me become a better op. But I have see what I can only interpret as deliberate interference with K1N. I have noticed him change frequencies by 500 Hz to get away from steady carriers, the only such on my P3, and what was a strange, long lasting signal that had a bandwidth of 50Hz or so and wiped him out completely at my QTH. I usually use narrow CW bandwidths to improve the S/N, but here it is to cut out the QRM signals that aren't well matched to his. I have noticed one strategy which seems perverse. Send the signal report with your initial call, in hopes he will log the call, even if you can't read his signal. It's simple, just request a QSL later, or log him every 20 minutes into LotW and see where the matches come. Come on guys, it's a hobby. It's not real unless you earn it and can face yourself in the mirror afterwards. But enough ranting. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/8/15 at 6:08 PM, jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) wrote: >The most amazing thing to me about the 15M CW pileup is there were dozens of >stations calling when K1N was transmitting. Either they are not hearing him >(but then why call?) or they just keep hitting the function key and hope to >win the lottery!. This is over and above the usual group that calls again >even when he comes back to someone who doesn't have a single common letter >in their call. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | QRP: So you can talk about | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | the ones that got away. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Sun Feb 8 22:21:23 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 20:21:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net In-Reply-To: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> References: <50CDA1F0-CBB7-407F-B8F5-387A85C3D43F@riousa.com> Message-ID: <1423452083048-7598054.post@n2.nabble.com> I am planning on taking a listen in and maybe a check in. This post will also tell me the hook up with the reflector works. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SSB-net-tp7598008p7598054.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 8 22:22:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Millar via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 03:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] External keypad for the K3/P3 Message-ID: <1061372829.1721376.1423452124494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?A simple question. Will the P3/K3 accept a usb keypad and is it possible to send? memory contents from the memory keyer (voice/cw)with the keypad? ? Any preferences as to keypad/keyboard? ??? Doug K6JEY From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Feb 8 22:57:00 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 03:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. Thanks, Don; here?s to you. Ted, KN1CBR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 8 23:16:36 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 20:16:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> Aside from the social skills Ted has lauded in Don, he's also one of the most valuable "fix-it" resources for Elecraft transceiver owners. He's sure been a help to me several times over the years (1999 to present) I've been working on and with Elecraft gear. Kudos to Don :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/8/15 7:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars > of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly > graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. > > This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny > surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a > selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft > booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had > to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and > altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. > > Thanks, Don; here?s to you. > > Ted, KN1CBR From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sun Feb 8 23:27:20 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 23:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d04420$b2b282f0$181788d0$@gamewood.net> Thanks to Ed for pointing this out! I too was caught by surprise when I saw the familiar call. I introduced myself and had a very pleasant QSO with Don. I was whining a bit about the complexity of the KDSP2 filter board to which Don's advice was "Why change it. Use the defaults." Great advice. Those are working great, and by the time I feel the need for better I will have mastered the UI. I don't want to waif too philosophical, but Don is certainly one of the Producers that make this reflector so useful to us moochers and looters (my apologies to John Galt). Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2015 10:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. Thanks, Don; here?s to you. Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From n1al at sonic.net Sun Feb 8 23:37:44 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2015 20:37:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA in Split In-Reply-To: <1423409188883-7598024.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <54D6FE56.4050700@nk4i.com> <1423409188883-7598024.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D83998.8010301@sonic.net> I confirmed the error. It's on the bug list, thanks. Alan N1AL On 02/08/2015 07:26 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Tighe, > > I was able to repeatedly duplicate what you described. I think you found a > bug. > > First, we should get the nomenclature correct. You don't mean "VFO A Marker" > you mean "VFO A Cursor". And the problem only occurs in Tracking mode. And > the problem is not just caused by pressing the Spot button. If you gently > twist the VFO A dial the center frequency on the top of the SVGA screen > changes and the VFO A cursor jumps to the center of the screen on the > external monitor. The P3 display remains as it was. > > In addition to toggling FixTrack you can also clear it by a very slight turn > of the P3 knob if the center frequency shift function is still active. A > slight turn will make the VFO A cursor jump back to where it was set at the > side of the screen. > > Others may not have noticed it because the whole idea of having the VFO A > cursor not in the center of the screen really cries out for Fixed Tune mode > rather Tracking mode. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Tighe Kuykendall wrote >> Just noticed something odd with the latest P3 SVGA code (1.35/1.22). >> >> Am split on 80m. Held the P3 button for "Center" and rotated the knob >> so VFO A was closer to the left side of the screen then tapped the >> button again. All was fine until I tapped Spot on the K3. Then the VFO >> A marker on the SVGA moved to the center frequency, not the VFO A freq. >> The P3 is still displaying correctly. Toggling FixTrack got it back >> in sync, but it's repeatable. >> >> Tighe >> NK4I > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-in-Split-tp7598013p7598024.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 9 00:48:22 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D84A26.4070907@embarqmail.com> Thank you Ted, but I have to give great thanks to Bill, Willy, Tom, and Rob for organizing the booth at Frostfest. I just "came along for the ride". Those folks are 'locals' in the Richmond, VA area while I had a 2 1/2 hour drive to get there. I arrived shortly after the gates opened. But I do thank those loyal locals who man the volunteer Elecraft booth at Frostfest year after year. For me, it was a great event - my first time at Frostfest, and I was delighted to meet many new faces as well as seeing many familiar ones. My next "big" hamfest will be RARSfest (April 4, 2015) which is local for me, followed by my annual trip to Dayton for FDIM and that 'small hamfest down the road:-) ' from the FDIM location. BTW, for those who are local to the Raleigh, NC area, Elecraft will be officially at RARS this year with a full-time Elecraft employee, which means we will be offering show specials and the capability to take product orders. See you at the RARS hamfest. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/8/2015 10:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars > of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly > graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. > > This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny > surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a > selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft > booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had > to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and > altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. > > Thanks, Don; here?s to you. > > Ted, KN1CBR > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 02:47:51 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 09:47:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D86627.3030508@gmail.com> If you haven't heard it from over here, you can't imagine how bad the deliberate QRM is. On 9 Feb 2015 04:48, Bill Frantz wrote: > I do think this DXpedition is suffering from a new (to me) low in > behavior. We have the usual problems with people tuning on the DX fx, > responding when they shouldn't, and not getting into split -- I've had > that problem and thank the people, here and elsewhere, who helped me > become a better op. But I have see what I can only interpret as > deliberate interference with K1N. I have noticed him change frequencies > by 500 Hz to get away from steady carriers, the only such on my P3, and > what was a strange, long lasting signal that had a bandwidth of 50Hz or > so and wiped him out completely at my QTH. I usually use narrow CW > bandwidths to improve the S/N, but here it is to cut out the QRM signals > that aren't well matched to his. > > I have noticed one strategy which seems perverse. Send the signal report > with your initial call, in hopes he will log the call, even if you can't > read his signal. It's simple, just request a QSL later, or log him every > 20 minutes into LotW and see where the matches come. Come on guys, it's > a hobby. It's not real unless you earn it and can face yourself in the > mirror afterwards. > > But enough ranting. > > 73 Bill AE6JV -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 04:17:33 2015 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 01:17:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR Message-ID: Hear, Hear! Don embodies the best of what the ham community can be. His knowledge of all things Elecraft is just plain scary. Thank you Don, for all the help you've given me over the years. 73 Eric WD6DBM "Dauer, Edward" wrote: >I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. > >This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had >to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. > >Thanks, Don; here?s to you. > >Ted, KN1CBR > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Feb 9 04:23:38 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:23:38 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net Message-ID: <201502090923.t199NcYA033647@ingra.acsalaska.net> For several weeks now, 20m has not opened by 1800z in AK. Turn on the radio and can't even receive WWV at 15-MHz. An hour later the band is open. I guess things will improve as the sun rises earlier. Current sunrise is 1810z. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 04:32:01 2015 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 01:32:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The Ultimate Legendary Elecraft Support Story Message-ID: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The Ultimate Legendary Elecraft Support Story From: Eric Norris To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net CC: When I bought my KPA500 kit very early in the production run, one of the three TO-220 devices that get attached to the side panel had been soldered in to the board cattywampus. The hole would not align with the side panel. Not wanting to void the warranty, I called Elecraft support. They said I could go ahead and take a soldering iron to it. I tried several times to get all three leads hot enough to reseat it, but I was aware of possibly damaging the board by overheating it. My soldering skills are good, but not W3FPR good, and I had no rework equipment. I called support again, and was told they didn't have a replacement part in, but I could send in the board for a replacement. I got a little impatient, thinking I can easily replace this part without sending in the board, and asked what is the problem, can't you just send me the freaking part? In my own defense, I had sold two beloved tube amps to pay for the KPA500, and I was anxious to get it on the air. No excuse, really though. The support guy I had been working with asked me to call him tomorrow about availability of the part (I wish I could remember his name!). I called Elecraft and asked for him, and they told me he was driving down to the factory to get a part, and would be back in a few hours. I felt a bit sick over my impatience with him. He called me later that afternoon, and said the part was on its way to me. I thanked him profusely. When the envelope arrived, i opened it and my jaw dropped--there was the part, and IT HAD SOLDER ON IT. Apparently, he drove down to the factory (two-three hour round trip), and unsoldered the part from a built board to send it to the dickish customer. I have had a number of interactions with Elecraft Support, because I own nearly everything they make, and I have made a number of epic blunders over the years. They have no peer. They are the best. Superb. Pass me more Kool-Aid, and thanks in advance for the blunders to come. For all you've already done, Elecraft Support, thank you, thank you, thank you. 73 es 88, Eric WD6DBM From nz0tham at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 05:48:28 2015 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 03:48:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K1]K1 still a great QRP radio In-Reply-To: <1745F65FAE5042D79196B7202BD947A8@DB1B1VF1> References: <1745F65FAE5042D79196B7202BD947A8@DB1B1VF1> Message-ID: <1423478908456-7598065.post@n2.nabble.com> I bought and built K1 SN 3353 last week. I have 30 and 40M on it and having a ball with it. Very capable little radio! 73 Bill NZ0T -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-K1-still-a-great-QRP-radio-tp7598016p7598065.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From phystad at mac.com Mon Feb 9 12:06:30 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 09:06:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Another kudos report... I have always been impressed by Don's comments and his wealth of knowledge and his absolute encyclopedia knowledge of not only the innards and design of the K2 but knowledge of most problems that happen to the K2 and their solutions. Now, I don't have a K2 but every now and then I think of buying the K2 kit knowing that there is safety in having Don around to answer questions that likely would arise. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Aside from the social skills Ted has lauded in Don, he's also one of the most valuable "fix-it" resources for Elecraft transceiver owners. He's sure been a help to me several times over the years (1999 to present) I've been working on and with Elecraft gear. > > Kudos to Don :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/8/15 7:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >> of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >> >> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >> selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had >> to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >> >> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From jwin2485 at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 9 12:22:49 2015 From: jwin2485 at bellsouth.net (John Wingard) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 09:22:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I may be the only one that has done this, but over the past dozen years or so that I've been on this list, I have printed out many of Don's troubleshooting suggestions and solutions, punched them and put them in a 3-ring binder. I have two binders right now that are full, and have started on a third. They are almost like having a service manual when and if I ever need them. Don is definitely a treasure! 73 de WB4GLJ ________________________________ From: Phil Hystad To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W3FPR Another kudos report... I have always been impressed by Don's comments and his wealth of knowledge and his absolute encyclopedia knowledge of not only the innards and design of the K2 but knowledge of most problems that happen to the K2 and their solutions. Now, I don't have a K2 but every now and then I think of buying the K2 kit knowing that there is safety in having Don around to answer questions that likely would arise. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Aside from the social skills Ted has lauded in Don, he's also one of the most valuable "fix-it" resources for Elecraft transceiver owners. He's sure been a help to me several times over the years (1999 to present) I've been working on and with Elecraft gear. > > Kudos to Don :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/8/15 7:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >> of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >> >> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >> selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had >> to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >> >> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jwin2485 at bellsouth.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 12:27:06 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (paul ecker via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <1160959500.1661831.1423448633543.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54D7E49C.8020706@w3fpr.com> <1160959500.1661831.1423448633543.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1710972074.2042897.1423502826088.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Don- I was able to measure the voltage between pin 1 & pin 5 at the K3 ACC plug. It measured 4.95v -- I then removed everything from the ACC plug and plugged in the test DB15 plug with only wires on pin 1 & 5. Put the K3 in FSK-D submode, and tapped XMIT, I got a steady tone. I then shorted pin 1 & 5 and it did not shift to the space tone, just the same steady tone. So I guess things point toward an issue with the K3 ? 73 Paul?kc2nyu From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Feb 9 12:48:51 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 09:48:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Because this is such a high volume list, I have developed the habit of copying emails that impress me as being useful in the future into a "Elecraft Keepers" folder. Don is frequently the author of those emails. Wayne, Eric, Jim, Dick, Ron, and Joe also appear frequently. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/9/15 at 9:22 AM, jwin2485 at bellsouth.net (John Wingard) wrote: >I may be the only one that has done this, but over the past >dozen years or so that I've been on this list, I have printed >out many of Don's troubleshooting suggestions and solutions, >punched them and put them in a 3-ring binder. I have two >binders right now that are full, and have started on a third. >They are almost like having a service manual when and if I ever >need them. Don is definitely a treasure! -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 12:51:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1679346185.2038678.1423504274519.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> This reflector is a wealth of information and extremely useful. ?I just wish that it is not used for wild off topic subjects. George, W6GF On Monday, February 9, 2015 9:22 AM, John Wingard wrote: I may be the only one that has done this, but over the past dozen years or so that I've been on this list, I have printed out many of Don's troubleshooting suggestions and solutions, punched them and put them in a 3-ring binder. I have two binders right now that are full, and have started on a third. They are almost like having a service manual when and if I ever need them. Don is definitely a treasure! 73 de WB4GLJ ________________________________ From: Phil Hystad To: Phil Wheeler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W3FPR Another kudos report... I have always been impressed by Don's comments and his wealth of knowledge and his absolute encyclopedia knowledge of not only the innards and design of the K2 but knowledge of most problems that happen to the K2 and their solutions.? Now, I don't have a K2 but every now and then I think of buying the K2 kit knowing that there is safety in having Don around to answer questions that likely would arise. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 8, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Aside from the social skills Ted has lauded in Don, he's also one of the most valuable "fix-it" resources for Elecraft transceiver owners. He's sure been a help to me several times over the years (1999 to present) I've been working on and with Elecraft gear. > > Kudos to Don :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/8/15 7:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >> of this reflector.? This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >> >> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family.? Sonny >> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >> selfless filial act if there ever was one.? But there was the Elecraft >> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR.? When I saw his name/call tag I had >> to introduce myself.? What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >> >> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jwin2485 at bellsouth.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Feb 9 12:53:56 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:53:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com>, , <1423502569.31446.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By chance, is it possible that they are indexed and downloadable? Dick, n0ce > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 09:22:49 -0800 > From: jwin2485 at bellsouth.net > To: phystad at mac.com; w7ox at socal.rr.com > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W3FPR > > I may be the only one that has done this, but over the past dozen years or so that I've been on this list, I have printed out many of Don's troubleshooting suggestions and solutions, punched them and put them in a 3-ring binder. I have two binders right now that are full, and have started on a third. They are almost like having a service manual when and if I ever need them. Don is definitely a treasure! > > > 73 de WB4GLJ > > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 13:00:17 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould, K8WXA) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 13:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... Message-ID: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> Well, my wait is over. My KX3 is in my hands. So far, I've gone to a park and stung some wire up (in response I saw a very confused old man drive by...) and tried to make some contacts off the internal batteries. It didn't help that I was in a valley as well. My wire was at most 6 feet off the ground, I'm sure that didn't help either. I can't wait to get home and hook the radio to the G5RV on the roof and the power supply and see what I can work. See you on the bands Joshua Gould K8WXA Sent from my iPhone From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 13:03:03 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Herman Pierce via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 10:03:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 2 BAND BOARD Message-ID: <1423504983.63734.YahooMailNeo@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thinking of getting a K-1 again. Will the radio work with 80m & 40m board, or do they have to be on separate boards Mike KD8DVV H. Michael Pierce From davidhay at hudsontech.co.uk Mon Feb 9 13:26:01 2015 From: davidhay at hudsontech.co.uk (David Hay) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:26:01 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone Message-ID: I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? Thanks 73 de David/M0TGC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 9 13:34:03 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:34:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 2 BAND BOARD In-Reply-To: <1423504983.63734.YahooMailNeo@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1423504983.63734.YahooMailNeo@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D8FD9B.9010002@embarqmail.com> Mike, The K1 2 band board can be built for any 2 bands that you choose, so yes, 80 and 40 can exist on the same board. That is not true for the 4 band board. The low 2 bands must be 40 and 30 - but then the 4 band board is no longer available, so that is moot question. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 1:03 PM, Herman Pierce via Elecraft wrote: > Thinking of getting a K-1 again. Will the radio work with 80m & 40m board, or do they have to be on separate boards > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 13:48:28 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1596654579.1277787.1423507708722.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I use a Heil PR 781G here..works good!??? 73s Bob W5RG From: David Hay To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 12:26 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? Thanks 73 de David/M0TGC --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5rg at yahoo.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 9 13:49:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K3-RTTY-No Diddles In-Reply-To: <1710972074.2042897.1423502826088.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54D7E49C.8020706@w3fpr.com> <1160959500.1661831.1423448633543.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1710972074.2042897.1423502826088.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D90151.1050103@embarqmail.com> Paul, Yes, time to contact Elecraft support for additional assistance. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 12:27 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > Don- I was able to measure the voltage between pin 1 & pin 5 at the K3 ACC plug. It measured 4.95v -- I then removed everything from the ACC plug and plugged in the test DB15 plug with only wires on pin 1 & 5. Put the K3 in FSK-D submode, and tapped XMIT, I got a steady tone. I then shorted pin 1 & 5 and it did not shift to the space tone, just the same steady tone. So I guess things point toward an issue with the K3 ? > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:01:52 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> Most any microphone can be used as long as it has the proper pinout on the mic plug. If you do not want to re-wire the plug, look at microphones for Kenwood. Heil has Kenwood adapters that work fine with the K3. but IMHO, Heil microphones are overpriced. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 1:26 PM, David Hay wrote: > I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 9 14:03:05 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:03:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54D90469.2000405@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/9/2015 10:26 AM, David Hay wrote: > I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? Shure made some of the first high quality desk mics for radio, and they still make them. They were the first, I believe, to build in a peak around 3kHz to compensate for the rolloff of the SSB filter (in the 1950s). Current model is the 450 Series II. The 444 is an earlier version. These are dynamic mics, and last virtually forever. Buy them used for a third of the price. All that it takes to make them work with an Elecraft rig is a properly wired mic connector. And, of course, with a K3 or KX3, tweak TXEQ for your voice with that mic. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 9 14:05:13 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:05:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> References: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D904E9.8020908@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/9/2015 11:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > but IMHO, Heil microphones are overpriced. I consider them WILDY overpriced. Caps for emphasis. :) 73, Jim K9YC From mikefurrey at att.net Mon Feb 9 14:30:04 2015 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 11:30:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone Message-ID: <1423510204.9063.BPMail_high_carrier@web181601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> What Jim said. I use a Shure 444D that I have had for 45 years. Not only do I get good audio reports but it looks pretty good next to the K3. 73 Mike WA5POK ------------------------------ On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 11:03 AM PST Jim Brown wrote: >On Mon,2/9/2015 10:26 AM, David Hay wrote: >> I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? > >Shure made some of the first high quality desk mics for radio, and they still make them. They were the first, I believe, to build in a peak around 3kHz to compensate for the rolloff of the SSB filter (in the 1950s). Current model is the 450 Series II. The 444 is an earlier version. > >These are dynamic mics, and last virtually forever. Buy them used for a third of the price. All that it takes to make them work with an Elecraft rig is a properly wired mic connector. And, of course, with a K3 or KX3, tweak TXEQ for your voice with that mic. > >73, Jim K9YC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From ny9h at arrl.net Mon Feb 9 14:33:05 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> References: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: At 02:01 PM 2/9/2015, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Most any microphone can http://www.walmart.com/ip/GE-JASHO98950-PC-Headset-with-Detachable-Microphone-and-Stand/21631675 desk microphone for $ 8.73 with EQ on the K3 can sound like anything thing you want.... probably do NOT even need to eq.... even better take an broken telephone handset apart and use the mic element ... bill NY9H From dave at nk7z.net Mon Feb 9 14:36:47 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:36:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1423510607.22546.5.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Ha! Finally talked my friend into a K3... It should be at his home today, or tomorrow! ;) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 13:00 -0500, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote: > Well, my wait is over. My KX3 is in my hands. So far, I've gone to a park and stung some wire up (in response I saw a very confused old man drive by...) and tried to make some contacts off the internal batteries. It didn't help that I was in a valley as well. My wire was at most 6 feet off the ground, I'm sure that didn't help either. I can't wait to get home and hook the radio to the G5RV on the roof and the power supply and see what I can work. > > See you on the bands > > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 14:44:33 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> References: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <926902886.1298427.1423511073047.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I sure would not pay anything over $100.00 for any Mic..Lots of good used ones out there for sale??? 73s Bob W5RG From: Don Wilhelm To: David Hay ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone Most any microphone can be used as long as it has the proper pinout on the mic plug. If you do not want to re-wire the plug, look at microphones for Kenwood. Heil has Kenwood adapters that work fine with the K3. but IMHO, Heil microphones are overpriced. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 1:26 PM, David Hay wrote: > I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5rg at yahoo.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:45:47 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:45:47 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <1423510607.22546.5.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> <1423510607.22546.5.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54D90E6B.9030300@gmail.com> Lucky friend! Here is how it goes in the Middle East: I ordered a pair of filters from Elecraft. It took 2 days from Watsonville CA to New York, 1 day to Tel Aviv, 10 days to get through customs, 4 days -- and counting -- for the post office to notify me to come and find out how much the duty and VAT will be. I still don't have my filters! Next time I'll try UPS. On 9 Feb 2015 21:36, David Cole wrote: > Ha! Finally talked my friend into a K3... It should be at his home > today, or tomorrow! ;) > -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Feb 9 15:07:02 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> Congratulations on the KX3! To get a wire over the tallest tree on the first attempt and that includes a Redwood, look at what I do at the bottom of my QRZ page. I got the idea from a QST article a few years ago and then built on the idea. It will make the setup much faster than you could ever hope to do. 73, Gary KA1J > Well, my wait is over. My KX3 is in my hands. So far, I've gone to a park and stung some wire up (in response I saw a very confused old man drive by...) and tried to make some contacts off the internal batteries. It didn't help that I was in a valley as well. My wire was at most 6 feet off the ground, I'm sure that didn't help either. I can't wait to get home and hook the radio to the G5RV on the roof and the power supply and see what I can work. > > See you on the bands > > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From djones at telepak.net Mon Feb 9 15:13:08 2015 From: djones at telepak.net ( Douglas Jones N5GT) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:13:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 100 - MD2 mike - Hex key For Sale In-Reply-To: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> References: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: For Sale - K2100, S.N. 44xx, includes (KSB2, KNB2, KDSP2, K60XV, K160RX, dimple on tuning knob) + ( VCO shield mod, KPA100 upgrade mod, and K6XX CW indicator mod installed) + KAT100-1 external tuner - all the above - $1200.00 MD2 hand mike - $50.00 Elecraft Hex Key - $100.00 Please contact off list djones at telepak.net From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:13:46 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Gary, I discovered that my throwing arm isn't worth anything when I had a spool of 14 gauge wire hit me in the head... I'll need to come up with a way to lob something over a high branch and go from there... 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Congratulations on the KX3! > > To get a wire over the tallest tree on the first attempt and that > includes a Redwood, look at what I do at the bottom of my QRZ page. I > got the idea from a QST article a few years ago and then built on the > idea. > > It will make the setup much faster than you could ever hope to do. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > > > Well, my wait is over. My KX3 is in my hands. So far, I've gone to > a park and stung some wire up (in response I saw a very confused old > man drive by...) and tried to make some contacts off the internal > batteries. It didn't help that I was in a valley as well. My wire was > at most 6 feet off the ground, I'm sure that didn't help either. I > can't wait to get home and hook the radio to the G5RV on the roof and > the power supply and see what I can work. > > > > See you on the bands > > > > Joshua Gould > > K8WXA > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From ac2ev at frontier.com Mon Feb 9 15:27:33 2015 From: ac2ev at frontier.com (Ac2ev) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:27:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B6099AA-84F3-468F-8B0C-619AC19F8B4E@frontier.com> A K3DVR isn't in the budget right now. I have Ham Radio Deluxe, signalink USB (FWIW), and a computer. Is there something I can do with this combination to mimic the K3DVR? I know I probably won't be able to use the buttons on the K3. Don From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 9 15:28:23 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:28:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54D91867.4000807@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/9/2015 12:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > To get a wire over the tallest tree on the first attempt and that > includes a Redwood, look at what I do at the bottom of my QRZ page. I > got the idea from a QST article a few years ago and then built on the > idea. http://www.antennalaunchers.com/antlaunching.html When I first moved to CA in 2006, K2RD brought one of these over to rig my 80M dipole. His first shot cleared the tallest redwood on my property by at least 25 ft. That tree is about 180 ft tall. Here's another useful launcher for lower heights -- up to about 100 ft. Buy it with the Zebco reel and attachment, and 10-12 oz throw weights. You could use your own weights (fishing sinkers, for example), but these throw weights are brightly colored cordura bags that make it much easier to find on the ground after you've thrown them. My Chicago club owns one that we used on Field Day and that was loaned to members to rig their antennas. http://www.sherrilltree.com/Big-Shot-Standard-Kit#.VNkWwCvF_wk 73, Jim K9YC From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:34:54 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:34:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives In-Reply-To: <9B6099AA-84F3-468F-8B0C-619AC19F8B4E@frontier.com> References: <9B6099AA-84F3-468F-8B0C-619AC19F8B4E@frontier.com> Message-ID: <0e1901d044a7$dd2c7590$978560b0$@gmail.com> Don, Are you planning to use this combination for daily use or for contesting? Several contest loggers (I use N1MM personally) have the ability to program function keys to play and transmit .wav files that call CQ, ask QRZ?, etc. I use HRD for daily use and am not aware of this capability in that suite. However, look at some of the free contest loggers, as they may fit the bill for you. Hope this helps. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ac2ev Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives A K3DVR isn't in the budget right now. I have Ham Radio Deluxe, signalink USB (FWIW), and a computer. Is there something I can do with this combination to mimic the K3DVR? I know I probably won't be able to use the buttons on the K3. Don ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From ab7r at cablespeed.com Mon Feb 9 15:39:36 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 12:39:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives In-Reply-To: <0e1901d044a7$dd2c7590$978560b0$@gmail.com> References: <9B6099AA-84F3-468F-8B0C-619AC19F8B4E@frontier.com> <0e1901d044a7$dd2c7590$978560b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This works well too: http://k9dur.rnaconsultingservices.com/voice_keyer.html 73 Greg On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > Don, > > Are you planning to use this combination for daily use or for contesting? > Several contest loggers (I use N1MM personally) have the ability to program > function keys to play and transmit .wav files that call CQ, ask QRZ?, etc. > I use HRD for daily use and am not aware of this capability in that suite. > However, look at some of the free contest loggers, as they may fit the bill > for you. > > Hope this helps. > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Ac2ev > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:28 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives > > A K3DVR isn't in the budget right now. I have Ham Radio Deluxe, signalink > USB (FWIW), and a computer. Is there something I can do with this > combination to mimic the K3DVR? I know I probably won't be able to use the > buttons on the K3. > > Don > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ab7r at cablespeed.com > From mickchall at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 9 16:13:04 2015 From: mickchall at yahoo.co.uk (Mick Hall) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:13:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Build: Voltmeter Probe Assembly help In-Reply-To: <1423469776.19170.YahooMailBasic@web172503.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423516384.58639.YahooMailBasic@web172501.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Hi Don I feel a little embarrassed about this. After having built the control board and front board with no issues, I have built kits before and know the pain when placing a component wrongly and then having to remove and replace said component, and being extremely careful not to make this mistake with the K2. This is such a silly mistake, and I only thought about it as I was getting my DMM out, I had noticed before that there is the same component markings on more than one board so I checked again, and sure enough I was plugging the probe into P5 on the RF board and not the control board. Voila, 5.9 volts at pin 1 on U1 on the RF board. I am glad it was such a simple thing. Again, many thanks for your quick response and my sincere apologies. Best regards Mick -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9/2/15, Mick Hall wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Build: Voltmeter Probe Assembly help To: don at w3fpr.com Date: Monday, 9 February, 2015, 9:16 Hi Don Thanks for the quick response. I will go through these steps this evening when I get home from work and let you know how I get on. Regards Mick -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/2/15, Don Wilhelm wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Build: Voltmeter Probe Assembly help To: "Mick Hall" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Date: Sunday, 8 February, 2015, 23:48 Mick, Since you have a DMM, read the voltage on RF Board U1 pin 1 to ground with your DMM.? If it is something other than a nominal 6 volts, then you have a problem with the voltage regulator or something else on the voltage regulator output.? This is the first step of your testing - make sure you have a valid voltage there to measure. If all that is correct, then you can proceed to evaluate the voltage probe. Make certain the jumper on the P7 header is set to EXT. Use your DMM (with K2 power off) to measure the resistance between the probe 'tip' and the center pin of P7 (measure on the back of the Control Board).? You should see near zero ohms.? If it is not zero, then check that the crimp pin in the probe is inserted and seated correctly.? Those crimp pins give many builders trouble. Then power up the K2 and again touch the 'probe' to RF U1 pin 1.? If it does not indicate something near 6 volts, check the soldering of CB R9, R10, U3, and U6 pin 5. If you do not resolve this problem, then there is a chance that you will be plagued by "LO BAT" messages. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/8/2015 4:37 PM, Mick Hall wrote: > Hi > > I have been progressing through the tests on my K2 build (7587), and have assembled the voltmeter probe as per instructions on page 44 of the manual, and engaged the crimp pin in the upper part of the housing as per the diagram. > > When I touch the tinned end of the wire on pin 1 of the I/O controller, U1 on the RF board, I get a reading of zero volts on the K2 LCD. It is meant to be 6V approx. > > I have tested with my DMM that their are no breaks in the probe. All other tests, before and after, have been fine up to the start of Assembly Part II . > > Is this anything to worry about? > > From ac2ev at frontier.com Mon Feb 9 16:13:00 2015 From: ac2ev at frontier.com (Ac2ev) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives In-Reply-To: <0e1901d044a7$dd2c7590$978560b0$@gmail.com> References: <9B6099AA-84F3-468F-8B0C-619AC19F8B4E@frontier.com> <0e1901d044a7$dd2c7590$978560b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00F4DBF0-4A05-4605-9B4B-54B3C9A15D55@frontier.com> Probably just when i do a contest, so N1MM is probably the best solution. The reason I ask is I was getting tired of trying to call K1N on 10m this weekend. Hihi. AC2EV - Don > On Feb 9, 2015, at 15:34, Ian - Ham wrote: > > Don, > > Are you planning to use this combination for daily use or for contesting? > Several contest loggers (I use N1MM personally) have the ability to program > function keys to play and transmit .wav files that call CQ, ask QRZ?, etc. > I use HRD for daily use and am not aware of this capability in that suite. > However, look at some of the free contest loggers, as they may fit the bill > for you. > > Hope this helps. > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ac2ev > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:28 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives > > A K3DVR isn't in the budget right now. I have Ham Radio Deluxe, signalink > USB (FWIW), and a computer. Is there something I can do with this > combination to mimic the K3DVR? I know I probably won't be able to use the > buttons on the K3. > > Don > From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Mon Feb 9 16:27:15 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:27:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1423517235228-7598095.post@n2.nabble.com> Congrats on the new rig Josh. You'll have lot of fun with it. Also I think I may have figured out the posting on the reflector. Sorry I sent you that email when it was not the way to do it. We'll see with this one. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/A-big-brown-truck-showed-up-with-a-little-box-tp7598072p7598095.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 16:39:29 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:39:29 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Microphone In-Reply-To: <926902886.1298427.1423511073047.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54D90420.5080905@embarqmail.com> <926902886.1298427.1423511073047.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Much overlooked perhaps...Turner Plus 3....i found one in a sale for $25 and reports are all good. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 10/02/2015 5:44 AM, "Bob Gibson via Elecraft" wrote: > I sure would not pay anything over $100.00 for any Mic..Lots of good used > ones out there for sale 73s Bob W5RG > > From: Don Wilhelm > To: David Hay ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone > > Most any microphone can be used as long as it has the proper pinout on > the mic plug. > If you do not want to re-wire the plug, look at microphones for Kenwood. > Heil has Kenwood adapters that work fine with the K3. but IMHO, Heil > microphones are overpriced. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/9/2015 1:26 PM, David Hay wrote: > > I want to buy a desk microphone for use with my K3, any recommendations? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5rg at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Feb 9 16:54:13 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:54:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Antenna launcher In-Reply-To: <54D91867.4000807@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com>, <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com>, <54D91867.4000807@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54D92C85.3037.40B941@Gary.ka1j.com> Nice web pages. I discovered a couple of things that to me are important when it came to launching these projectiles to get wires over the tops of trees: - A heavier weight is better than a lighter one such as a tennis ball when a 50 pound fishing line is attached, because a light weight object will get hung up on branches and the inertia from a heavy object falling to earth will bore its way straight through the branches and leaves. I painted the white PVC with red spray and on one I used red/white reflective tape. This makes it easy to find where it's landed in both summer and winter. I ended up using 50 pound test monofilament line because the amount of branches I have to contend with end up being enough friction resistance that I was breaking lighter line. With the 50 pound test line I can bring my WD 1A telephone wire up and through the branches in one attempt. - a long barrel is far preferable to a short barrel because the addition of the eye on the end of the barrel prevents the line from flailing as it is being expended. If you try throwing a fishing line without a pole & the eyes to guide the line coherently as it's being expended, you will not throw it far. Attach eyes to a broomstick & lightly toss & it will go much farther. The eye is a must if you want distance. - In addition, a longer barrel will give you a greater distance, just like a rifle will shoot farther than a pistol with both using the same ammunition. - When putting the PVC spud in the barrel, the line & swivel end goes in first, otherwise the drag from the line will make the projectile and invert on the way up spin like a top. That can be problematic when coming down as you don't want it to get hung up on top branches and if it's spinning like a propeller, it will hang up sooner than later. FWIW, With no line attached I can shoot a 4" long projectile well over 1/4 mile of water without touching water. With the line attached such distance is quite impossible thanks to the drag, even with the eye in place. I figured I'd mention this tool here because of so many people on the Elecraft reflector enjoying remote operations with their QRP gear, this will help tremendously with the antenna end of things. 73, Gary KA1J > On Mon,2/9/2015 12:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > To get a wire over the tallest tree on the first attempt and that > > includes a Redwood, look at what I do at the bottom of my QRZ page. I > > got the idea from a QST article a few years ago and then built on the > > idea. > > http://www.antennalaunchers.com/antlaunching.html > > When I first moved to CA in 2006, K2RD brought one of these over to rig > my 80M dipole. His first shot cleared the tallest redwood on my property > by at least 25 ft. That tree is about 180 ft tall. > > Here's another useful launcher for lower heights -- up to about 100 ft. > Buy it with the Zebco reel and attachment, and 10-12 oz throw weights. > You could use your own weights (fishing sinkers, for example), but these > throw weights are brightly colored cordura bags that make it much easier > to find on the ground after you've thrown them. My Chicago club owns one > that we used on Field Day and that was loaned to members to rig their > antennas. > > http://www.sherrilltree.com/Big-Shot-Standard-Kit#.VNkWwCvF_wk > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 16:57:38 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:57:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? Message-ID: No response to my earlier question about the usefulness of the KBPF3 posed last week so here goes again; if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? Still curious. 73, Jeff, NH7RO K-Line proud assembler/owner since 2011 From shadle at katzenfisch.com Mon Feb 9 17:03:29 2015 From: shadle at katzenfisch.com (John Shadle) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives Message-ID: I use N3FJP's software, and I know he has this capability (and I have used it in the past) to play a .wav file using a function key from your keyboard. Easy, peasy. Also, you might check out the Vocal Keyer by KG4JJH or the commercial version of the same project, called the LogiTALKER by Idiom Press. KG4JJH model - http://www.kg4jjh.com/vocalkeyer.html Idiom model - http://www.idiompress.com/logitalker.php I did a PCB run for the KG4JJH model a while back (4-5 years ago?), and there is also a Yahoo! Group for support on this (but it sees little/no traffic). Good luck! -john W4PAH Madison, WI From rckchp at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 17:05:04 2015 From: rckchp at comcast.net (rckchp at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <649056237.1115868.1423519504392.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hello Joshua & Elecrafters, My throwing arm also is no good after a shoulder separation and torn rotator cuff some years ago, so I sometimes use a pneumatic launcher, which I purchased as a kit from the Joplin Amateur Radio Club ( see video clip here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2MO0N4cewo&feature=channel&list=UL ). However, using it in public places such as a park, etc. can sometimes bring unwanted scrutiny from wary public officials and may even be considered illegal (being considered a "firearm") in some places. And, a pneumatic launcher and tire pump is a bit much to bring along if you are hiking/backpacking. So, if I don't need to get my support line up more than approx 25-30', I use a simpler (and cheaper) method. I tie a light support line ( paracord or mason's twine) to the neck of a 1/2 liter plastic water bottle and swing it in a vertical plane circle and let fly. You can empty (or drink) some of the water to get the best result. I find that approx 1/2 full (8 oz.) is a good compromise between light enough to get it up a reasonable height and enough weight to pull the bottle/line down to where you can reach it to tie on and pull up your wire and tie off the line. You will need to practice a bit to get a feel for aim and when to let go. You can swing it either overhand or underhand, whichever works best for you. May take a bit of practice and a few tries, but it works for me and can't get any less expensive. And the plastic bottle is soft enough not to cause damage or injury to anyone (or yourself) in case you miss. Less dangerous than using a rock and qrp hikers will likely be carrying a water bottle so you can "kill two birds with one water bottle" as the saying goes. When the weather moderates I'll get a friend to do a video clip of me demonstrating this method and put it on youtube. Hope this helps. 72 & regards, Rich K2CPE K2 # 1102 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Gould" To: Gary at ka1j.com Cc: "Elecraft" Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 3:13:46 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... Gary, I discovered that my throwing arm isn't worth anything when I had a spool of 14 gauge wire hit me in the head... I'll need to come up with a way to lob something over a high branch and go from there... 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 9 17:23:10 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:23:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> > if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? > > Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? Hi Jeff, The AM crystal filter is for close-in selectivity (6 kHz) in the I.F. This filter can be used in AM and SSB modes whether in or out of a ham band. The KBPF3 is at a different point in the receive chain: at the front end. It provides band-pass filters several MHz wide to allow copy of SWL ranges between the ham bands. Without a KBPF3, there are a number of places between ham bands where sensitivity would roll off up to 20 dB or so. This is because the K3's normal band-pass filters are very narrow, covering just the ham bands themselves. This is a very good thing from a receive performance standpoint; it removes strong signals that are well out of each ham band that could otherwise cause spurious or image responses. Unlike the K3, most receivers have really wide band-pass filters, leaving them susceptible to such interference in the ham bands. By adding a KBPF3, you'll be able to tune virtually the entire range from 0.5 to 30 MHz (plus 6 meters) with your K3 without significant loss of sensitivity. The K3 automatically selects the KBPF3 filters when you tune a certain distance outside a given ham band. This is how we provide MARS coverage (when enabled). I said "virtually" the entire range because there is one gap: right around the first I.F. (8.215 MHz). In the vicinity of this gap, sensitivity will be quite a bit lower because the K3 has multiple traps at this frequency designed to ensure excellent first-I.F. rejection. Also, the range from 0.5 to 1.5 MHz is gradually attenuated as you go lower in frequency because of a high-pass filter that protects the PIN diodes used in the T/R switch. To get around this, you can bring the signal into the RX ANT jack on the KXV3 option. You might do this is you were doing low-band (AM broadcast) DXing. A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. 73, Wayne N6KR From n4zr at contesting.com Mon Feb 9 17:26:02 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:26:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR Message-ID: <54D933FA.9090303@contesting.com> The Nabble Elecraft Forum lists 10319 posts for "Don Wilhelm." Their Advanced Search is quite granular, so I bet you could use it to look up his sage advice. For example, I just found 3084 posts by him on the K3, and 32 containing the words K3 and RIT. It is very fast too. -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. From dbbrown624 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 17:55:58 2015 From: dbbrown624 at gmail.com (David Brown) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:55:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1]K1 still a great QRP radio Message-ID: The older Elecraft radios are great radios, not ancient history. My K1 s/n 757 has served me well and I am currently building a K2. I look forward to using the K2 as my primary low power CW rig in the shack and on some vacations, but the K1 will not be retired. The only problem I have ever had with the K1 involved using the K1's internal keyer and a paddle with excessive contact bounce. Maybe I'll post a few words on how I got around that. I look forward to enjoying my new K2 just as much as I have enjoyed my K1. 73, Dave, K8AX From wb1edi at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 18:08:58 2015 From: wb1edi at hotmail.com (barry whittemore) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3DVR alternatives Message-ID: I use N1MM and it works FB. I do off air recordings with Audacity and it works FB also. BTW. I concur on the K1N on 10 meters, Thats one of the hardest QSOs i ever got. Even with the P3 and 2nd RX it was hard to find. now to get them on 17 for a sweep. 3 and GL Barry NF1O From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 18:37:43 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:37:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> References: , <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: OK, guys, I've got it now (makes a ton of sense now that I think about it). I don't do a lot of SWL anymore but I might want to add one to my K3 sometime for the fun of it. Thanks very much for all of your replies and feel free to close this thread now that it has been answered well. 73, Jeff, NH7RO > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? > From: n6kr at elecraft.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:23:10 -0800 > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > To: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com > > > if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? > > > > Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? > > > Hi Jeff, > > The AM crystal filter is for close-in selectivity (6 kHz) in the I.F. This filter can be used in AM and SSB modes whether in or out of a ham band. > > The KBPF3 is at a different point in the receive chain: at the front end. It provides band-pass filters several MHz wide to allow copy of SWL ranges between the ham bands. > > Without a KBPF3, there are a number of places between ham bands where sensitivity would roll off up to 20 dB or so. This is because the K3's normal band-pass filters are very narrow, covering just the ham bands themselves. This is a very good thing from a receive performance standpoint; it removes strong signals that are well out of each ham band that could otherwise cause spurious or image responses. Unlike the K3, most receivers have really wide band-pass filters, leaving them susceptible to such interference in the ham bands. > > By adding a KBPF3, you'll be able to tune virtually the entire range from 0.5 to 30 MHz (plus 6 meters) with your K3 without significant loss of sensitivity. The K3 automatically selects the KBPF3 filters when you tune a certain distance outside a given ham band. This is how we provide MARS coverage (when enabled). > > I said "virtually" the entire range because there is one gap: right around the first I.F. (8.215 MHz). In the vicinity of this gap, sensitivity will be quite a bit lower because the K3 has multiple traps at this frequency designed to ensure excellent first-I.F. rejection. Also, the range from 0.5 to 1.5 MHz is gradually attenuated as you go lower in frequency because of a high-pass filter that protects the PIN diodes used in the T/R switch. To get around this, you can bring the signal into the RX ANT jack on the KXV3 option. You might do this is you were doing low-band (AM broadcast) DXing. > > A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 18:41:51 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> References: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2061854313.1376198.1423525311327.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for a great description. From: Wayne Burdick To: Jeff Cathrow Cc: Elecraft Digest Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? > if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? > > Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? Hi Jeff, The AM crystal filter is for close-in selectivity (6 kHz) in the I.F. This filter can be used in AM and SSB modes whether in or out of a ham band. The KBPF3 is at a different point in the receive chain: at the front end. It provides band-pass filters several MHz wide to allow copy of SWL ranges between the ham bands. Without a KBPF3, there are a number of places between ham bands where sensitivity would roll off up to 20 dB or so. This is because the K3's normal band-pass filters are very narrow, covering just the ham bands themselves. This is a very good thing from a receive performance standpoint; it removes strong signals that are well out of each ham band that could otherwise cause spurious or image responses. Unlike the K3, most receivers have really wide band-pass filters, leaving them susceptible to such interference in the ham bands. By adding a KBPF3, you'll be able to tune virtually the entire range from 0.5 to 30 MHz (plus 6 meters) with your K3 without significant loss of sensitivity. The K3 automatically selects the KBPF3 filters when you tune a certain distance outside a given ham band. This is how we provide MARS coverage (when enabled). I said "virtually" the entire range because there is one gap: right around the first I.F. (8.215 MHz). In the vicinity of this gap, sensitivity will be quite a bit lower because the K3 has multiple traps at this frequency designed to ensure excellent first-I.F. rejection. Also, the range from 0.5 to 1.5 MHz is gradually attenuated as you go lower in frequency because of a high-pass filter that protects the PIN diodes used in the T/R switch. To get around this, you can bring the signal into the RX ANT jack on the KXV3 option. You might do this is you were doing low-band (AM broadcast) DXing. A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Mon Feb 9 18:41:48 2015 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:41:48 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <54D90E6B.9030300@gmail.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com><1423510607.22546.5.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54D90E6B.9030300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <195190B67B58491F8477C8AB6F338274@Paramount> I think I can beat that. I ordered a CW filter and an I/F module for my K3, back in November (my Christmas present to me). 2 days (I think) to travel across the USA, 2 more days to arrive in the UK. 2 WEEKS in UK customs, then it was released to Parcel Force (the UK box shifter) who then managed to lose it for a week and finally after several phone calls and a threat of court action, they suddenly 'found' it again and it was delivered almost a month late and well after Christmas! Grrrrr................. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 7:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... Lucky friend! Here is how it goes in the Middle East: I ordered a pair of filters from Elecraft. It took 2 days from Watsonville CA to New York, 1 day to Tel Aviv, 10 days to get through customs, 4 days -- and counting -- for the post office to notify me to come and find out how much the duty and VAT will be. I still don't have my filters! Next time I'll try UPS. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 18:44:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1907297491.1393626.1423525447332.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I actually run a KBPF in both the receivers. The K3 works nice on SW From: Jeff Cathrow To: Elecraft Digest Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? OK, guys, I've got it now (makes a ton of sense now that I think about it). I don't do a lot of SWL anymore but I might want to add one to my K3 sometime for the fun of it. Thanks very much for all of your replies and feel free to close this thread now that it has been answered well. 73, Jeff, NH7RO ? ? > Subject: Re: [Elecraft]? Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? > From: n6kr at elecraft.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:23:10 -0800 > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > To: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com > > > if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? > > > > Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? > > > Hi Jeff, > > The AM crystal filter is for close-in selectivity (6 kHz) in the I.F. This filter can be used in AM and SSB modes whether in or out of a ham band. > > The KBPF3 is at a different point in the receive chain: at the front end. It provides band-pass filters several MHz wide to allow copy of SWL ranges between the ham bands. > > Without a KBPF3, there are a number of places between ham bands where sensitivity would roll off up to 20 dB or so. This is because the K3's normal band-pass filters are very narrow, covering just the ham bands themselves. This is a very good thing from a receive performance standpoint; it removes strong signals that are well out of each ham band that could otherwise cause spurious or image responses. Unlike the K3, most receivers have really wide band-pass filters, leaving them susceptible to such interference in the ham bands. > > By adding a KBPF3, you'll be able to tune virtually the entire range from 0.5 to 30 MHz (plus 6 meters) with your K3 without significant loss of sensitivity. The K3 automatically selects the KBPF3 filters when you tune a certain distance outside a given ham band. This is how we provide MARS coverage (when enabled). > > I said "virtually" the entire range because there is one gap: right around the first I.F. (8.215 MHz). In the vicinity of this gap, sensitivity will be quite a bit lower because the K3 has multiple traps at this frequency designed to ensure excellent first-I.F. rejection. Also, the range from 0.5 to 1.5 MHz is gradually attenuated as you go lower in frequency because of a high-pass filter that protects the PIN diodes used in the T/R switch. To get around this, you can bring the signal into the RX ANT jack on the KXV3 option. You might do this is you were doing low-band (AM broadcast) DXing. > > A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 18:58:25 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:58:25 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... In-Reply-To: <195190B67B58491F8477C8AB6F338274@Paramount> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com> <1423510607.22546.5.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54D90E6B.9030300@gmail.com> <195190B67B58491F8477C8AB6F338274@Paramount> Message-ID: Look here: Sherrilltree.com One shot job done. I get as high as i need/want first time every time with no injury....:-) I believe this originated in the USA 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 10/02/2015 9:42 AM, "G4GNX" wrote: > I think I can beat that. > > I ordered a CW filter and an I/F module for my K3, back in November (my > Christmas present to me). 2 days (I think) to travel across the USA, 2 more > days to arrive in the UK. 2 WEEKS in UK customs, then it was released to > Parcel Force (the UK box shifter) who then managed to lose it for a week > and finally after several phone calls and a threat of court action, they > suddenly 'found' it again and it was delivered almost a month late and well > after Christmas! Grrrrr................. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > -----Original Message----- From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 7:45 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A big brown truck showed up with a little box... > > Lucky friend! Here is how it goes in the Middle East: I ordered a pair > of filters from Elecraft. It took > > 2 days from Watsonville CA to New York, > > 1 day to Tel Aviv, > > 10 days to get through customs, > > 4 days -- and counting -- for the post office to notify me to come and > find out how much the duty and VAT will be. > > I still don't have my filters! Next time I'll try UPS. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From n0tt1 at juno.com Mon Feb 9 19:17:55 2015 From: n0tt1 at juno.com (n0tt1 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:17:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs Message-ID: Guys, To keep things simple and less prone to transmitting on the wrong VFO, I listen to the DX station using the "MAIN" VFO A, then turn on the XIT function and turn the little freq control knob to where your want to TRANSMIT, "up 2" or whatever. As a bonus, I can check my *proposed* TRANSMIT frequency by pushing the RIT function...of course turning the RIT OFF after checking my *proposed" transmit freq. No need to mess with the VFO B. Hope I 'splained that clear unuf! :D) 73, Charlie, N0TT >Like Don, N5LZ, I've been playing in the K1N 15M pileup. However, I don't have a KRX3, so I'm using the REV button to listen to the pileup. My user interface problem comes from having the tuning knob for VFO B switch from the medium size knob to the big knob when I press REV. I have the little knob -- RIT/XIT -- set for fast tuning, so I have 3 tuning knobs, not counting the QSY knob/button on the P3. Since I'm running with VFO A locked, to avoid losing K1N by brushing a tuning knob, there is really only one VFO that can be tuned. However the cognitive load of switching tuning knobs when I press REV is a bit more than my feeble brain can handle. Does anyone have a work around, or should I ask Elecraft to change the tuning implementation in some way. One way that might work is to always have the big knob tune VFO A and the medium tune VFO B, even if REV is being held. Another would be to have the fact that VFO A is locked change all three knobs tune VFO B, which would allow high-speed tuning. I guess I have to up the priority of the KRX3, But I also need the KAT3 and the KDVR3 and a bunch of other stuff that's better to put in first. HIHI What's a poor ham to do? YMMV 73 Bill AE6JV From thom2 at att.net Mon Feb 9 20:46:40 2015 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:46:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54D96300.4050900@att.net> Absolutely! Whenever I've had any questions/problems with my K2, Don has been there with the solution. It's amazing how much he knows about these rigs and how willing he is to share that knowledge with the rest of us. A true ham in all aspects. Thanks Don Tom WB2QDG K2 #1163 On 2/8/2015 11:16 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Aside from the social skills Ted has lauded in Don, he's also one of > the most valuable "fix-it" resources for Elecraft transceiver owners. > He's sure been a help to me several times over the years (1999 to > present) I've been working on and with Elecraft gear. > > Kudos to Don :-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/8/15 7:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal >> pillars >> of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >> >> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >> selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I >> had >> to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >> >> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 9 21:19:15 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D96300.4050900@att.net> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> Message-ID: <54D96AA3.2060308@embarqmail.com> I have to tell you that "hams helping hams" was the way I grew up in ham radio. I was a teenager when I started, and the East Palestine Radio Club members (about 20 hams) extended their expertise and suggestions to this new ham - I was 15 years old at that time. They shared their knowledge and experience with me and helped me along the way. That led me to a rewarding career in electronics and specifically 30 years with IBM. My early lessons with RF phenomenon gave me an advantage over my peers who were steeped in digital stuff, so I enjoyed the advantage of having both digital and analog experience. I owe a lot to those East Palestine, Ohio hams who gave so much to me helping me along with not only the fundamentals, but encouraging me toward an exciting and rewarding career. My help on this reflector (and others) is part of the "payback" to those hams who have helped me along the way. Most of them are SK and I cannot personally thank them, but I can certainly pay them back by continuing the assistance they gave to me. "Pay it forward" and "hams helping hams" is what I learned from them, and I intend to continue that until I can do it no more. It is my way of thanking those who so unselfishly helped me along many years ago. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 8:46 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > Absolutely! Whenever I've had any questions/problems with my K2, Don > has been there with the solution. It's amazing how much he knows > about these rigs and how willing he is to share that knowledge with > the rest of us. > > A true ham in all aspects. > > Thanks Don > From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon Feb 9 21:37:50 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D96AA3.2060308@embarqmail.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D96AA3.2060308@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <009c01d044da$9113d620$b33b8260$@gamewood.net> (Sorry for the bandwidth. I don't know the name of the Memory Lane Reflector.) I lived in Greensboro, NC when first licensed. In all my travels since, I have never encountered a more generous collection of people interested in expanding the hobby and helping ME! My first QSO was with Mires Zett, W4TU. Wayne Williams of SERA fame sold me my first radio. SERA was at the Frostfest this past weekend but I did not recognize anyone. A crowd of us met on Friday nights at the Shoney's restaurant on south side of town. The staff refused to let us pay for coffee! We all carried HT's and they thought we were NARC's! -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 9:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR I have to tell you that "hams helping hams" was the way I grew up in ham radio. I was a teenager when I started, and the East Palestine Radio Club members (about 20 hams) extended their expertise and suggestions to this new ham - I was 15 years old at that time. They shared their knowledge and experience with me and From ericvk3ax at esc.net.au Mon Feb 9 21:45:22 2015 From: ericvk3ax at esc.net.au (Eric Buggee) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:45:22 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D96AA3.2060308@embarqmail.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D96AA3.2060308@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D970C2.20306@esc.net.au> Amen to that Don! This is an example to all! Thank you Don. Eric VK3AX. On 2/10/2015 1:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I have to tell you that "hams helping hams" was the way I grew up in > ham radio. I was a teenager when I started, and the East Palestine > Radio Club members (about 20 hams) extended their expertise and > suggestions to this new ham - I was 15 years old at that time. > > They shared their knowledge and experience with me and helped me along > the way. That led me to a rewarding career in electronics and > specifically 30 years with IBM. My early lessons with RF phenomenon > gave me an advantage over my peers who were steeped in digital stuff, > so I enjoyed the advantage of having both digital and analog experience. > > I owe a lot to those East Palestine, Ohio hams who gave so much to me > helping me along with not only the fundamentals, but encouraging me > toward an exciting and rewarding career. > > My help on this reflector (and others) is part of the "payback" to > those hams who have helped me along the way. Most of them are SK and > I cannot personally thank them, but I can certainly pay them back by > continuing the assistance they gave to me. "Pay it forward" and "hams > helping hams" is what I learned from them, and I intend to continue > that until I can do it no more. It is my way of thanking those who so > unselfishly helped me along many years ago. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 2/9/2015 8:46 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: >> Absolutely! Whenever I've had any questions/problems with my K2, Don >> has been there with the solution. It's amazing how much he knows >> about these rigs and how willing he is to share that knowledge with >> the rest of us. >> >> A true ham in all aspects. >> >> Thanks Don >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ericvk3ax at esc.net.au > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Feb 9 21:53:40 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D96300.4050900@att.net> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> Message-ID: <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Oh, I don't know. I carefully packed the power supply for my KX3 when I moved, and Don has been no help at all finding it. Seriously though, I read all of Don's posts with great interest, even on the radios I do not own. 73 -- Lynn On 2/9/2015 5:46 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > Absolutely! Whenever I've had any questions/problems with my K2, Don > has been there with the solution. It's amazing how much he knows > about these rigs and how willing he is to share that knowledge with > the rest of us. > > A true ham in all aspects. > > Thanks Don > > Tom > WB2QDG > K2 #1163 > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 9 22:11:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> References: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <351048923.2320342.1423537894528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. <<< What would be the advantage of adding KBPF3 to both the Main and the Sub? ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS From: Wayne Burdick To: Jeff Cathrow Cc: Elecraft Digest Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? > if one already has an AM filter in one of the K3's slots what does one need a KBPF3 for (in terms of general coverage SWLing)? > > Does it allow band selection of the popular SWBC bands in addition to the ham bands? Hi Jeff, The AM crystal filter is for close-in selectivity (6 kHz) in the I.F. This filter can be used in AM and SSB modes whether in or out of a ham band. The KBPF3 is at a different point in the receive chain: at the front end. It provides band-pass filters several MHz wide to allow copy of SWL ranges between the ham bands. Without a KBPF3, there are a number of places between ham bands where sensitivity would roll off up to 20 dB or so. This is because the K3's normal band-pass filters are very narrow, covering just the ham bands themselves. This is a very good thing from a receive performance standpoint; it removes strong signals that are well out of each ham band that could otherwise cause spurious or image responses. Unlike the K3, most receivers have really wide band-pass filters, leaving them susceptible to such interference in the ham bands. By adding a KBPF3, you'll be able to tune virtually the entire range from 0.5 to 30 MHz (plus 6 meters) with your K3 without significant loss of sensitivity. The K3 automatically selects the KBPF3 filters when you tune a certain distance outside a given ham band. This is how we provide MARS coverage (when enabled). I said "virtually" the entire range because there is one gap: right around the first I.F. (8.215 MHz). In the vicinity of this gap, sensitivity will be quite a bit lower because the K3 has multiple traps at this frequency designed to ensure excellent first-I.F. rejection. Also, the range from 0.5 to 1.5 MHz is gradually attenuated as you go lower in frequency because of a high-pass filter that protects the PIN diodes used in the T/R switch. To get around this, you can bring the signal into the RX ANT jack on the KXV3 option. You might do this is you were doing low-band (AM broadcast) DXing. A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Feb 9 22:19:37 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:19:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54D978C9.4030405@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Of course, if Don said it was behind the sofa, I'd look. On 2/9/2015 6:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Oh, I don't know. > > I carefully packed the power supply for my KX3 when I moved, and Don > has been no help at all finding it. > > Seriously though, I read all of Don's posts with great interest, even > on the radios I do not own. > > 73 -- Lynn > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:20:33 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:20:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: <351048923.2320342.1423537894528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> <351048923.2320342.1423537894528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54D97901.90603@gmail.com> Diversity reception in the SWL ranges, but that's hard core. ;o) Rick wa6nhc On 2/9/2015 7:11 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: >>>> A KBPF3 can be added to the main receiver, or the sub receiver, or both. <<< > What would be the advantage of adding KBPF3 to both the Main and the Sub? > > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:32:13 2015 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:32:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> Message-ID: <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of reports on my K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as confirmed by hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that I could tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not bashful in letting me know the error of my ways. Thanks again. 73, George NC5G >Other K2 owners may be interested in this. >After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off frequency of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-SSB-Performance-Improvement-tp7596200p7598119.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Feb 9 23:19:00 2015 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D84A26.4070907@embarqmail.com> References: <54D84A26.4070907@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don. On behalf of Tom, Rob, Willy and myself, I want to thank you for making the trip up to Frostfest on Saturday. Your knowledge and expertise added a new dimension to our Frostfest experience. We hope you will consider making the trip again. And thanks to all our friends who stopped by to chat with us. It's a real treat to see so many people so happy with their equipment. They don't drop by to complain but praise both the radios and the company. And the representatives such as Don, Eric and Wayne. Where else can you post a question on the reflector and get an answer quickly and from one of the owners or the programmer himself. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Thank you Ted, but I have to give great thanks to Bill, Willy, Tom, and Rob for organizing the booth at Frostfest. I just "came along for the ride". Those folks are 'locals' in the Richmond, VA area while I had a 2 1/2 hour drive to get there. I arrived shortly after the gates opened. But I do thank those loyal locals who man the volunteer Elecraft booth at Frostfest year after year. > > For me, it was a great event - my first time at Frostfest, and I was delighted to meet many new faces as well as seeing many familiar ones. > > My next "big" hamfest will be RARSfest (April 4, 2015) which is local for me, followed by my annual trip to Dayton for FDIM and that 'small hamfest down the road:-) ' from the FDIM location. > > BTW, for those who are local to the Raleigh, NC area, Elecraft will be officially at RARS this year with a full-time Elecraft employee, which means we will be offering show specials and the capability to take product orders. See you at the RARS hamfest. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 2/8/2015 10:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >> of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >> >> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >> selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had >> to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >> >> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 9 23:29:49 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:29:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? In-Reply-To: <351048923.2320342.1423537894528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7698414C-D62A-4EC5-9F04-260C212E81AE@elecraft.com> <351048923.2320342.1423537894528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9A93FB70-AF6D-4E18-AB19-2875E8267B29@elecraft.com> > What would be the advantage of adding KBPF3 to both the Main and the Sub? You can put the main and sub on different bands (when CONFIG:VFO IND = YES). So having a KBPF3 in the sub would let you use a ham band with the main RX/TX while using the sub RX to monitor an the AM broadcast band, a MARS channel, WWV at 2.5 MHz or 5 MHz, a favorite SWL station, etc. Having KBPF3s in both receivers adds some versatility, including diversity mode, which is especially useful for lower-band DXing. 73, Wayne N6KR From dh2849 at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 9 23:31:19 2015 From: dh2849 at sbcglobal.net (Dale - K7DNH) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:31:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini Configuration Help Please In-Reply-To: <1421932695837-7597363.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1421932695837-7597363.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423542679502-7598122.post@n2.nabble.com> PM sent -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-Configuration-Help-Please-tp7597363p7598122.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From b.denley at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 23:33:36 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: George et al: Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes? Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:32 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: > > Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of reports on my > K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the > 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF > monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as confirmed by > hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. > > Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that I could > tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a > little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not bashful > in letting me know the error of my ways. > > Thanks again. > > 73, > George NC5G > > >> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. > >> After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using > the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the > modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off frequency > of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from > 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-SSB-Performance-Improvement-tp7596200p7598119.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Mon Feb 9 23:51:43 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:51:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR Message-ID: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> I am getting an SWR indication in the display of 1.8-1 on 10 meters. That is with just a dummy load at the antenna port. I get the SWR on 12,15,17 meters, but it gradually drops down from the 1.8 on ten meters. 20 meters thru 160 it is 1.1-1. ATU bypassed. With a verified 50 ohm dummy it should be 1.1-1 all over the place. I have emailed Elecraft to see what they say. Anybody else ever see this problem ? 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 10 00:57:20 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:57:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> Good question. I've never had any issues with my audio reports, using the Elecraft MH2 mic; in fact all audio reports have been positive. It sounds like these mods are for the Proset K2 Heil mic/headset (I'm not sure which Heil mic element is in this model). There were some K2 mods related to the SSB bandwidth, but these were not so much "audio", if I understand the question -- though they would impact the audio. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/9/15 8:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > George et al: > Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes? > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:32 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: >> >> Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of reports on my >> K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the >> 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF >> monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as confirmed by >> hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. >> >> Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that I could >> tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a >> little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not bashful >> in letting me know the error of my ways. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> 73, >> George NC5G >> >> >>> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. >>> After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using >> the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the >> modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off frequency >> of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from >> 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 10 01:00:27 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:00:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54D99E7B.1030705@socal.rr.com> How certain are you of your dummy load, Bill? I've had some which became somewhat inductive above 15 meters, for example -- and that might be a cause of what you are seeing. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/9/15 8:51 PM, Bill Wilkins wrote: > I am getting an SWR indication in the display of 1.8-1 on 10 meters. That is > with just a dummy load at the antenna port. I get the SWR on 12,15,17 > meters, but it gradually drops down from the 1.8 on ten meters. > 20 meters thru 160 it is 1.1-1. ATU bypassed. > With a verified 50 ohm dummy it should be 1.1-1 all over the place. > I have emailed Elecraft to see what they say. > Anybody else ever see this problem ? > 73, Bill, WD8JWJ From b.denley at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 01:28:20 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5D6840A6-0076-4056-ABDB-942FE7B25AA0@comcast.net> Phil: Yeah my audio reports are fine with the MH2 as well. I'm not looking to widen the K2 bandwidth. Thanks Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:57 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Good question. I've never had any issues with my audio reports, using the Elecraft MH2 mic; in fact all audio reports have been positive. It sounds like these mods are for the Proset K2 Heil mic/headset (I'm not sure which Heil mic element is in this model). > > There were some K2 mods related to the SSB bandwidth, but these were not so much "audio", if I understand the question -- though they would impact the audio. > > 73, Phil W7OX > >> On 2/9/15 8:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> George et al: >> Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes? >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:32 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of reports on my >>> K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the >>> 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF >>> monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as confirmed by >>> hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. >>> >>> Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that I could >>> tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a >>> little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not bashful >>> in letting me know the error of my ways. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> 73, >>> George NC5G >>> >>> >>>> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. >>>> After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using >>> the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the >>> modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off frequency >>> of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from >>> 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 10 01:38:46 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:38:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed-Tune mode for the PX3: Very early version ready for a few hardy field testers Message-ID: Hi all, Fixed-tune mode is now pretty much working on the PX3, though it's not quite ready for beta test. (In fixed-tune mode, the PX3's displayed frequency range stays "fixed" rather than "tracking" the KX3's VFO A frequency. This feature is very popular with users of the P3, the PX3's big brother.) We're looking for a couple of thrill seekers who (a) *really* want to test fixed-tune mode, (b) won't be rattled when they encounter they occasional bug, and (c) can start giving our development team feedback right away, as in tomorrow. If you're interested, please email me directly (n6kr at elecraft dot com). This will be a very limited distribution, but I suspect we'll be ready for beta in a week or two. Thanks! Wayne N6KR From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 01:43:57 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54D9A8AD.9020103@embarqmail.com> Lynn, You will find it someplace you have not yet looked:-) . Happy hunting. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 9:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Oh, I don't know. > > I carefully packed the power supply for my KX3 when I moved, and Don > has been no help at all finding it. > > Seriously though, I read all of Don's posts with great interest, even > on the radios I do not own. > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 01:54:36 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54D9AB2C.6060708@embarqmail.com> Those mods are not 'official Elecraft', but will help in reducing the bass response of the KSB2. That is a good thing with any microphone because the low frequency response just wastes power and does not add much to communications quality. It is applicable for any microphone, not just the Heil. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 12:57 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Good question. I've never had any issues with my audio reports, using > the Elecraft MH2 mic; in fact all audio reports have been positive. It > sounds like these mods are for the Proset K2 Heil mic/headset (I'm not > sure which Heil mic element is in this model). > > There were some K2 mods related to the SSB bandwidth, but these were > not so much "audio", if I understand the question -- though they would > impact the audio. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/9/15 8:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> George et al: >> Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes? >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:32 PM, George Winship, NC5G >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of >>> reports on my >>> K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the >>> 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF >>> monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as >>> confirmed by >>> hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. >>> >>> Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that >>> I could >>> tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a >>> little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not >>> bashful >>> in letting me know the error of my ways. >>> >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> 73, >>> George NC5G >>> >>> >>>> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. >>>> After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my >>>> K2 (using >>> the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the >>> modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off >>> frequency >>> of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from >>> 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 02:06:32 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 02:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR In-Reply-To: References: <54D84A26.4070907@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54D9ADF8.703@embarqmail.com> It was my pleasure to be at Frostfest. I thank those who regularly organize the Elecraft booth at that event. I did meet many friends that I have corresponded with via email and several that I have never met before. The entire experience was wonderful. Again, thank you to Tom, Willy, Rob and Bill for planning and operating the Elecraft booth at Frostfest. I plan to do it again next year. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/9/2015 11:19 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Don. > > On behalf of Tom, Rob, Willy and myself, I want to thank you for making the trip up to Frostfest on Saturday. Your knowledge and expertise added a new dimension to our Frostfest experience. We hope you will consider making the trip again. > > And thanks to all our friends who stopped by to chat with us. It's a real treat to see so many people so happy with their equipment. They don't drop by to complain but praise both the radios and the company. And the representatives such as Don, Eric and Wayne. Where else can you post a question on the reflector and get an answer quickly and from one of the owners or the programmer himself. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Feb 9, 2015, at 12:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Thank you Ted, but I have to give great thanks to Bill, Willy, Tom, and Rob for organizing the booth at Frostfest. I just "came along for the ride". Those folks are 'locals' in the Richmond, VA area while I had a 2 1/2 hour drive to get there. I arrived shortly after the gates opened. But I do thank those loyal locals who man the volunteer Elecraft booth at Frostfest year after year. >> >> For me, it was a great event - my first time at Frostfest, and I was delighted to meet many new faces as well as seeing many familiar ones. >> >> My next "big" hamfest will be RARSfest (April 4, 2015) which is local for me, followed by my annual trip to Dayton for FDIM and that 'small hamfest down the road:-) ' from the FDIM location. >> >> BTW, for those who are local to the Raleigh, NC area, Elecraft will be officially at RARS this year with a full-time Elecraft employee, which means we will be offering show specials and the capability to take product orders. See you at the RARS hamfest. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 2/8/2015 10:57 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> I want to acknowledge publicly someone who is one of the principal pillars >>> of this reflector. This may embarrass Don, whose modesty is utterly >>> graceful, though my purpose is not to embarrass but to thank. >>> >>> This past weekend I was in 4-land visiting my son and his family. Sonny >>> surprised me by taking his Old Man to the Richmond (VA) Hamfest, a >>> selfless filial act if there ever was one. But there was the Elecraft >>> booth; and manning it was Don, W3FPR. When I saw his name/call tag I had >>> to introduce myself. What followed was a memorable, helpful, and >>> altogether delightful "eyeball QSO" with a truly First Class ham. >>> >>> Thanks, Don; here?s to you. >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 10 02:19:33 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Eddy via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... Message-ID: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Greetings all....I just realized my K2 (# 3500+) is getting old, I can't remember exactly when I bought the kit from Elecraft, but at least 12-13 years ago. So, as things begin to wear out, any suggestions on what to clean, as in different front-panel POT controls that and suggestions what to use to clean them? I have used Detoxit and it seems to work very well....... Thanks all........73 ed - k6sdw From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 02:39:42 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:39:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Antenna launcher In-Reply-To: <54D92C85.3037.40B941@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <55941389-4136-4DAF-9FF0-74BEA6AE2B33@gmail.com>, <54D91366.14529.58A8C15@Gary.ka1j.com>, <54D91867.4000807@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54D92C85.3037.40B941@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <001b01d04504$bc3a7dc0$34af7940$@earthlink.net> Gary I'd like to 2nd your comments and add a few of my own. Re tennis balls I add sand and it's easy and cheap. You can always bore-sight your target but I added a sight to my blaster. Now I am one shot, one kill. If I have to shoot very close to my target tree, because of nearby real estate like a power line or fence, I lay on my back and shoot near vertical over a 100' tree. I have found, for fun and games, a filled 8 oz plastic water battle works well. It's the same diameter as a tennis ball. It makes big splash on impact. Gets rid of annoying dogs too. You don't need to hit them. Just close enough to splash. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:54 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Antenna launcher Nice web pages. I discovered a couple of things that to me are important when it came to launching these projectiles to get wires over the tops of trees: - A heavier weight is better than a lighter one such as a tennis ball when a 50 pound fishing line is attached, because a light weight object will get hung up on branches and the inertia from a heavy object falling to earth will bore its way straight through the branches and leaves. I painted the white PVC with red spray and on one I used red/white reflective tape. This makes it easy to find where it's landed in both summer and winter. I ended up using 50 pound test monofilament line because the amount of branches I have to contend with end up being enough friction resistance that I was breaking lighter line. With the 50 pound test line I can bring my WD 1A telephone wire up and through the branches in one attempt. - a long barrel is far preferable to a short barrel because the addition of the eye on the end of the barrel prevents the line from flailing as it is being expended. If you try throwing a fishing line without a pole & the eyes to guide the line coherently as it's being expended, you will not throw it far. Attach eyes to a broomstick & lightly toss & it will go much farther. The eye is a must if you want distance. - In addition, a longer barrel will give you a greater distance, just like a rifle will shoot farther than a pistol with both using the same ammunition. - When putting the PVC spud in the barrel, the line & swivel end goes in first, otherwise the drag from the line will make the projectile and invert on the way up spin like a top. That can be problematic when coming down as you don't want it to get hung up on top branches and if it's spinning like a propeller, it will hang up sooner than later. FWIW, With no line attached I can shoot a 4" long projectile well over 1/4 mile of water without touching water. With the line attached such distance is quite impossible thanks to the drag, even with the eye in place. I figured I'd mention this tool here because of so many people on the Elecraft reflector enjoying remote operations with their QRP gear, this will help tremendously with the antenna end of things. 73, Gary KA1J > On Mon,2/9/2015 12:07 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > To get a wire over the tallest tree on the first attempt and that > > includes a Redwood, look at what I do at the bottom of my QRZ page. > > I got the idea from a QST article a few years ago and then built on > > the idea. > > http://www.antennalaunchers.com/antlaunching.html > > When I first moved to CA in 2006, K2RD brought one of these over to > rig my 80M dipole. His first shot cleared the tallest redwood on my > property by at least 25 ft. That tree is about 180 ft tall. > > Here's another useful launcher for lower heights -- up to about 100 ft. > Buy it with the Zebco reel and attachment, and 10-12 oz throw weights. > You could use your own weights (fishing sinkers, for example), but > these throw weights are brightly colored cordura bags that make it > much easier to find on the ground after you've thrown them. My Chicago > club owns one that we used on Field Day and that was loaned to members > to rig their antennas. > > http://www.sherrilltree.com/Big-Shot-Standard-Kit#.VNkWwCvF_wk > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > gary at ka1j.com > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 10 02:40:54 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:40:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <5D6840A6-0076-4056-ABDB-942FE7B25AA0@comcast.net> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> <5D6840A6-0076-4056-ABDB-942FE7B25AA0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54D9B606.70909@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/9/2015 10:28 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > Yeah my audio reports are fine with the MH2 as well. Nearly 10 years ago, I worked up some nice improvements to SSB TX that added 6dB of gain to the mic circuit, which improved compression, and tailored the frequency response to remove low end, which increased the talk power. I've posted the mods several times. See the archives. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Feb 10 04:06:02 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:06:02 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Advantage of KBPF3 in K3? Message-ID: <201502100906.t1A962XE047655@huffman.acsalaska.net> One more use for the KPBF3 is for use on the 600m band (not yet a ham band but one can obtain an experimental license - see link, below). The K3 will tune down to 490-KHz with pretty good sensitivity if you have the KBPF3 and KXV3 transverter option to connect Rx ANT in. I have run under WD2XSH/45 using the K3 in TEST mode to transmit at 0.1mw thru the XVTR connections to a surplus NDB transmitter (100w) on 495-KHz using a 43x122 foot base-loaded inverted-L. http://www.500kc.com/ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From oz7bq at yahoo.dk Tue Feb 10 05:26:21 2015 From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (Hans J Rasmusen OZ7BQ) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Too many tuning knobs (KX3) Message-ID: <953847793.2489732.1423563981539.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Here is my solution to handling a wide split. The KX3 has an excellent Sub Receiver function, however it is difficult to use when the DX is weak and the locals are very strong, as is often the case here. You may use the KX3 Macros and the KX3 Utility to your advantage with a PC and a mouse. Program Macro 1 with A>B (SWT24;)Program Macro 2 with your call as saved in a CW memory (SWT11;SWT20;) for CW memory 3. Program Macro 4 with your report 599 if needed, in another CW memory.Program Macro 5 with stop sending (RX;) useful if the DX starts transmitting before you finish your call. Place the KX3 in Split mode. Macro 1 lets you toggle between the DX call frequency and your call frequency. Leave the DX in VFO A and use Macro 1 to find a clear spot for calling (with VFO A which is now your call frequency)Remember to toggle Macro 1 again before calling. When calling your frequency must be in VFO B. This set-up will permit you to use a narrow filter for the DX frequency and a wide filter setting for the split frequency, which makes it easter to follow the activity. You can use any split needed. With the Macro setup 1-2-4-5 only a minimum motion of the mouse is needed to control the action. Switching is very fast, almost like two receivers.Do not use this procedure if you are very sleepy. Have fun with the pile-ups.73 OZ7BQ, Hans J?rgen From joel.b.black at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 06:46:44 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:46:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Crosspost] [OT] KX3 Plus Accessories For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <356DC72A-E9DC-401F-B1A3-71CCEBBA8916@gmail.com> Updated price is $1350 +shipping from my address at QRZ.com . If the shipping + insurance is over $25, I?ll pay the difference and I?ll eat the PayPal fee. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:11 AM, Joel Black wrote: > > Okay folks. I have had this KX3 for a bit over two years and I have never done with it what I hoped - take it out and about. It has been to the field (other than the backyard) one time. I?ve taken it to the backyard a couple of times and to a couple of club meetings. I used this radio exclusively during September 2014 from my desk just to see how it worked as a base rig (instead of my K3 which I?m keeping). I just don?t have time to do what I wanted with this radio. Taking it with me on vacations is a no-go as no one else in my family is a ham with HF privileges and they don?t like to talk. So, I am offering it for sale. > > Please respond privately to keep the list traffic down. > > Here?s what I have: > > 1 ea. Elecraft KX3(K), SN 14xx. This radio includes the following: > KXAT3 internal tuner > KXBC3 internal NiMH charger and real-time clock > KXFL3 dual passband roofing filter > MH3 hand mic > KXSER serial cable > Owner?s Manual (Rev B4, June 1, 2012 > Kit Assembly Manual (Rev D1, August 7, 2012) and Errata (Rev C3-1, August 13, 2012) > KXAT3 Install Instructions (Rev A, June 11, 2012) > KXFL3 Install and Calibration Instructions (Rev A2, June 14, 2012) and Errata (Rev A2-2, July 5, 2012) > KXBC3 Install Instructions (Rev A, Sept 28, 2012) and Errata (Rev A-1, Oct 4, 2012) > > In addition to the above, I also have the following accessories: > > 1 ea. Begali Adventure Mono, SN 026 w/ magnetic base and KX3 mount (no callsign on key) > > 1 ea. Pelican 1450 ?pluck? foam case pre-plucked for KX3 and some field accessories > > 4 ea. Pomona 1296 BNC-to-binding post connectors > > 1 ea. BNC-to-BNC male adapter > > 2 ea. BNC(m)-to-BNC(f) right-angle adapters > > 2 ea. BNC(m)-to-SO239 adapters > > 2 ea. SO239 barrels > > 1 ea. BNC(f)-to-PL259 adapter > > 1 ea. SLUSB cable set (mic and speaker). The mic cable was modified at the RJ45 end to accept the same pinout as the K3 on the SLUSB > > 2 ea. 3.5mm stereo cables. On each one, one end is terminated in a right-angle stereo plug and the other end is terminated in a stereo jack > > 1 ea. KX3 power cable terminated with PowerPole connector > > 1 ea. ~5? section of RG-8X. One end terminated in BNC(m) and the other end terminated in PL-259 > > 1 ea. ~25? section of RG-8X terminated as above > > 1 ea. LNR Precision EF-10/20/40 MKII EFHWA antenna > > 1 ea. Nifty EZ-Stand for KX3 > > 1 ea. Oak Hills Research WM-2 QRP HF Wattmeter w/ power cord terminated with PowerPole connector > > I would like to sell all of this as one package. Total package price is $1500 plus shipping (your choice of carrier) and insurance (insurance will be your choice). I will take a Postal Money Order or PayPal (but you will have to pay the PayPal fee). Shipping would be from my home address as listed on QRZ.com > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > > From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 10 07:03:54 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:03:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <54D99E7B.1030705@socal.rr.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D99E7B.1030705@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1423569834771-7598138.post@n2.nabble.com> Pretty sure of the dummy. Verified with the Analyzer flat as can be. Antenna actually reads only 1.3-1 at the tested 10m freq with the Analyzer. KX3 says 1.8-1 no matter what. I am normally hooked into an HR50 and the KX3 ATU is bypassed for this and should be. KX3 will tune down the 1.3-1 antenna direct as it should to 1.1-1. (no amp) I don't think the KX3 is actually seeing an 1.8-1, but is confused in itself. 160 thru 20 meters are all 1.1-1. I am going to do a re-update with the firmware and see what happens. Did finally get this Reflector thing figured out Phil. Now works pretty good. Happy here. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598138.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 10 08:37:56 2015 From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 8:37:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W3FPR Message-ID: <20150210133756.RETYV.318835.root@cdptpa-web17> I heartily agree with all the comments praising the kind character technical abilities, and magnanimous helpfulness of Don Wilhelm! Larry and I are lucky to live a few miles away from Don and so have been able to meet him and benefit from his help. YAY for Don! Julie KT4JR From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 10 08:43:41 2015 From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 8:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] puzzling panadapter behavior Message-ID: <20150210134341.66CVX.318931.root@cdptpa-web17> Recently when I switch on the power to our Kline (K3 P3 KAT500 KPA500) the panadapter screen shows a blank black waterfall. After making sure that an antenna is connected I changed bands and modes and behold, signals appeared and were also present when I switched back to the original band/mode where it had been blank. This is a new development, and I am not understanding what is going on. Yesterday one change produced a waterfall but today it took several changes to get it going. Does this make sense to anybody? THANKS! Julie KT4JR From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Feb 10 10:04:20 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Message-ID: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. You can contact me off list please. 73 Tom va2fsq.com From gil at keskydee.com Tue Feb 10 10:14:07 2015 From: gil at keskydee.com (Gil G.) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <022397EB-DDA5-4526-B58D-DF61F3034438@keskydee.com> Hello, I sometimes run a 6ft diameter magnetic loop inside.. Works pretty well. I have also had good luck with a Buddistick clamped to a coffee table! Power is usually 5W, always CW. The problem is to keep people away from the antennas, especially the magnetic loop. Gil. -- PGP Key: http://keskydee.com/gil.asc > On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > > Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. You can contact me off list please. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Feb 10 10:18:02 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:18:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I agree that for QRP magnetic loops are not bad. Dipoles in the Attic or room also work. Get hold of RSGB book from ARRL, Stealth Antennas by Steve Nichols G0KYA. This book is most informative. I like the AlexLoop but you must keep it away from metal. I have used these inside frame houses and stone houses with good results. Trouble is that you are limited to QRP. Maybe not a bad thing if the antenna is in close proximity. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Blahovici Sent: 10 February 2015 15:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. You can contact me off list please. 73 Tom va2fsq.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 10:53:20 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:53:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... In-Reply-To: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DA2970.8000805@embarqmail.com> Ed, If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. The most probable controls to wear out are the AF gain and the RF gain, and if you use it a lot, the RIT control. Wait until they get scratchy and then replace. Rather than trying for a temporary fix with DeOxit or other compounds, I suggest you simply replace the controls that are bad. What usually happens is that the carbon trace that the wiper runs on becomes pitted with use, and for that there is no good cure other than replacement. Besides, the pots used are rather tightly sealed, and I don't think you could get any spray inside where it would do any good. Unlike the old unsealed pots of yesteryear. Elecraft has replacement parts - I buy parts from them often, but then I repair a lot of Elecraft gear - one or two each day is not unusual for me. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 2:19 AM, Eddy via Elecraft wrote: > Greetings all....I just realized my K2 (# 3500+) is getting old, I can't remember exactly when I bought the kit from Elecraft, but at least 12-13 years ago. > So, as things begin to wear out, any suggestions on what to clean, as in different front-panel POT controls that and suggestions what to use to clean them? I have used Detoxit and it seems to work very well....... > Thanks all........73 > ed - k6sdw > ______________________________________________________________ > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 10 11:00:48 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:00:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Antenna launcher] Message-ID: <1423584048.3473993.225675081.23658A0B@webmail.messagingengine.com> I use an Arborist sling-shot. I've had it for almost 10 years. Have 60-70 foot oak trees on the property. Use a tennis ball full of old metal washers. Punched 2 holes in the ball and made a wire loop. Have a cheap deep-sea fishing reel on a platform that sits on the ground. The ball flies right over the tree easily. -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 10 11:26:58 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:26:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423585618445-7598146.post@n2.nabble.com> Just did the newest firmware update to the KX3, No change in the SWR problem. Waiting on a reply from Elecraft. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598146.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k9fd at flex.com Tue Feb 10 11:56:17 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:56:17 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a talk about indoor antennas and have no experience using them? Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. You can contact me off list please. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > . > From n5lz at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 11:59:13 2015 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:59:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423585618445-7598146.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> <1423585618445-7598146.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000601d04552$e5b93760$b12ba620$@comcast.net> FWIW, I really don't have the answer, but I have had similar problems with slightly increased SWR on the higher bands with other transceivers, and have never worried about it. Have you checked the swr of your dummy load using an external swr/watt meter or antenna analyzer? (using the same coax and at the same frequency of course). I'm thinking that you'll probably find that the discrepancy has nothing to do with the KX3 or its meter. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wilkins Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:27 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR Just did the newest firmware update to the KX3, No change in the SWR problem. Waiting on a reply from Elecraft. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598146.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Feb 10 12:01:32 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> Message-ID: <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> Hi, No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton. So the antenna has to be small. Transmit not necessary! Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a talk about indoor antennas and have no experience using them? Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I > plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. > You can contact me off list please. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > . > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From n1al at sonic.net Tue Feb 10 12:04:36 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:04:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D9A8AD.9020103@embarqmail.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54D9A8AD.9020103@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DA3A24.3010807@sonic.net> When I can't find something I generally figure some idiot probably left it right where I left it. :=) Alan N1AL On 02/09/2015 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lynn, > > You will find it someplace you have not yet looked:-) . Happy hunting. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/9/2015 9:53 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> Oh, I don't know. >> >> I carefully packed the power supply for my KX3 when I moved, and Don >> has been no help at all finding it. >> >> Seriously though, I read all of Don's posts with great interest, even >> on the radios I do not own. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Feb 10 12:12:07 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:12:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> Message-ID: <873A2F69-294C-4EE3-9AC2-43DABB99A99A@wunderwood.org> For receive-only, you don?t need a resonant antenna. Stick a wire in the air. Bypass the ATU so it won?t be a filter. If you want to get fancy, use a right angle adaptor and stick something like this on it. Though the loading coil isn?t needed for receive, but it is OK for transmit. http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1820T wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 10, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Tom wrote: > Hi, > No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton. So the antenna has to be small. Transmit not necessary! > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > talk about > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. You can contact me off list please. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com >> . >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 10 12:13:46 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:13:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... In-Reply-To: <54DA2970.8000805@embarqmail.com> References: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DA2970.8000805@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DA3C4A.90104@socal.rr.com> Ed, If you're noticing some scatchiness in the AF gain, there is a better way to deal with that -- if you have not already. I did the AF pot fix last year in K2 #380 and it made big difference. Info is here: http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2_AF_pot/K2_AF_gain_app_note.htm but this may have been the wiring in yours as built. Phil W7OX On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ed, > > If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. The most > probable controls to wear out are the AF gain > and the RF gain, and if you use it a lot, the > RIT control. Wait until they get scratchy and > then replace. > > Rather than trying for a temporary fix with > DeOxit or other compounds, I suggest you simply > replace the controls that are bad. What usually > happens is that the carbon trace that the wiper > runs on becomes pitted with use, and for that > there is no good cure other than replacement. > Besides, the pots used are rather tightly > sealed, and I don't think you could get any > spray inside where it would do any good. Unlike > the old unsealed pots of yesteryear. > > Elecraft has replacement parts - I buy parts > from them often, but then I repair a lot of > Elecraft gear - one or two each day is not > unusual for me. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/10/2015 2:19 AM, Eddy via Elecraft wrote: >> Greetings all....I just realized my K2 (# >> 3500+) is getting old, I can't remember exactly >> when I bought the kit from Elecraft, but at >> least 12-13 years ago. >> So, as things begin to wear out, any >> suggestions on what to clean, as in different >> front-panel POT controls that and suggestions >> what to use to clean them? I have used Detoxit >> and it seems to work very well....... >> Thanks all........73 >> ed - k6sdw >> ______________________________________________________________ >> From k9fd at flex.com Tue Feb 10 12:23:33 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:23:33 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> Message-ID: <54DA3E95.3010000@flex.com> Gotcha Tom, thanks, it did not come through like that. Should be a number of guys on here using small indoor antennas, I used one for several years in 2001 while living in a condo on the beach, it was 44 foot of wire taped to the ceiling of the second floor condo, fed with 300 ohm twin lead, and tuned with a johnson matchbox. Worked decent on 40 to 10 meters, but too large for what you need. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Hi, > No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some > signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton. So the antenna has to be small. > Transmit not necessary! > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > talk about > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? >> I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this >> works. You can contact me off list please. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com >> . >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Feb 10 12:37:30 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:37:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Message-ID: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Thanks for all the suggestions. Should be good enough. I like the whip. 73's Tom On Feb 10, 2015 12:23 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > > Gotcha Tom,? thanks,? it did not come through like that. > Should be a number of guys on here using small indoor antennas, > > I used one for several years in 2001 while living in a condo on the beach, > it was 44 foot of wire taped to the ceiling of the second floor condo, fed > with 300 ohm twin lead,? and tuned with a johnson matchbox. Worked > decent on 40 to 10 meters,? but too large for what you need. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > > > Hi, > > No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some > > signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton.? So the antenna has to be small.? > > Transmit not necessary! > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > > > > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > > talk about > > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? > >> I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this > >> works. You can contact me off list please. > >> 73 Tom > >> va2fsq.com > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > >> . > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Tue Feb 10 12:46:04 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:46:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... In-Reply-To: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1423590364083-7598154.post@n2.nabble.com> My K2 is also old now - 14 years I believe - and I don't use it that often any longer. I notice that the pushbuttons need some exercising before they work now. For instance no 7 and 8 (where I have CW stored for LA3ZA and 5nn - yes, I'm a lazy CW operator!). Is there any cure for this - other than to replace them or use them more often? ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-gettin-old-tp7598132p7598154.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ebjr37 at charter.net Tue Feb 10 12:55:45 2015 From: ebjr37 at charter.net (Elliot Blaize Jr.) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:55:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> Message-ID: <54DA4621.2090302@charter.net> I didn't see the intial post. Several years back I used to regularly work eastern Europe QRP with a Heathkit 5 watter on 20 CW around 0500-0600 GMT. This used a 22' piece of hookup wire tacked in the corner of the drywall and the ceiling running along the length of the bedroom and excess thru the bathroom doorway to an attachment point in bathroom. It was very surprising how much DX I worked every night. It can be done when conditions are right. This past fall from Thanksgiving to new years I worked Les W8YCM/6Y5 nearly every day when he was on vacation in Jamaica, several times with a YAESU FT-817 ND barefoot and a Buddipole dipole 9 feet off the ground. It can be done with low power and a somewhat compromised antenna when conditions are limited. 73, Sandy W5TVW On 2/10/2015 10:56 AM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > talk about > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? >> I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this >> works. You can contact me off list please. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com >> . >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ebjr37 at charter.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 12:58:16 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... In-Reply-To: <54DA3C4A.90104@socal.rr.com> References: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DA2970.8000805@embarqmail.com> <54DA3C4A.90104@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54DA46B8.7090301@embarqmail.com> Before Ed cuts traces on his K2 -- he said the serial number was above 3000, so it already has those wiring changes embedded on the board. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Ed, If you're noticing some scatchiness in the AF gain, there is a > better way to deal with that -- if you have not already. I did the AF > pot fix last year in K2 #380 and it made big difference. > > Info is here: > http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2_AF_pot/K2_AF_gain_app_note.htm but > this may have been the wiring in yours as built. > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Ed, >> >> If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it. The most probable controls to >> wear out are the AF gain and the RF gain, and if you use it a lot, >> the RIT control. Wait until they get scratchy and then replace. >> >> Rather than trying for a temporary fix with DeOxit or other >> compounds, I suggest you simply replace the controls that are bad. >> What usually happens is that the carbon trace that the wiper runs on >> becomes pitted with use, and for that there is no good cure other >> than replacement. >> Besides, the pots used are rather tightly sealed, and I don't think >> you could get any spray inside where it would do any good. Unlike the >> old unsealed pots of yesteryear. >> >> Elecraft has replacement parts - I buy parts from them often, but >> then I repair a lot of Elecraft gear - one or two each day is not >> unusual for me. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/10/2015 2:19 AM, Eddy via Elecraft wrote: >>> Greetings all....I just realized my K2 (# 3500+) is getting old, I >>> can't remember exactly when I bought the kit from Elecraft, but at >>> least 12-13 years ago. >>> So, as things begin to wear out, any suggestions on what to clean, >>> as in different front-panel POT controls that and suggestions what >>> to use to clean them? I have used Detoxit and it seems to work very >>> well....... >>> Thanks all........73 >>> ed - k6sdw >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Feb 10 13:11:12 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:11:12 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> Tom, You might find out if signals can be heard within the arena - there must be a lot of steel in the structure. I think Elecraft uses recorded signals for their stand's display. Do not hold me to this but the likes or Eric, Wayne or Don would know for sure. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Blahovici Sent: 10 February 2015 17:38 To: Merv Schweigert Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Thanks for all the suggestions. Should be good enough. I like the whip. 73's Tom On Feb 10, 2015 12:23 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > > Gotcha Tom,? thanks,? it did not come through like that. > Should be a number of guys on here using small indoor antennas, > > I used one for several years in 2001 while living in a condo on the beach, > it was 44 foot of wire taped to the ceiling of the second floor condo, fed > with 300 ohm twin lead,? and tuned with a johnson matchbox. Worked > decent on 40 to 10 meters,? but too large for what you need. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > > > Hi, > > No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some > > signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton.? So the antenna has to be small.? > > Transmit not necessary! > > Thanks > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert > > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > > > > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > > talk about > > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? > >> I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this > >> works. You can contact me off list please. > >> 73 Tom > >> va2fsq.com > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > >> . > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From n3xx at charter.net Tue Feb 10 13:14:34 2015 From: n3xx at charter.net (N3XX) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca><54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> Message-ID: <45998353E93C45D8948030362FC4703E@DH55TCXPP> Try a dummy load. It should put out a good enough signal if you're receiver is close. 73, Tim - N3XX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "Merv Schweigert" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > Hi, > No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some signals > on the K3 indoors at Dayton. So the antenna has to be small. Transmit > not necessary! > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Merv Schweigert > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? > > Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a > talk about > indoor antennas and have no experience using them? > > Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. > > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 >> Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? I >> plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. >> You can contact me off list please. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com >> . >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n3xx at charter.net From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Tue Feb 10 13:14:37 2015 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:14:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> References: <0NJK008E79VB5T90@VL-VM-MR006.ip.videotron.ca> <54DA3831.5040408@flex.com> <17249CA2A9E942B8AB2C9214CF310CCE@tomsPC> Message-ID: <002401d0455d$6e91ac20$4bb50460$@STL-OnLine.Net> >From my limited experience with trying to receive anything inside commercial buildings, arenas, VFW halls, etc. it is nearly impossible and certainly unsatisfactory. I have spent way too much time trying to get a signal that I could use. For your demo, you might consider bringing a station to generate and transmit your expected receive data into a dummy load and then do your demo receiving that data. Good luck, you'll need it to receive. 73, Jim KG0KP -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:02 AM To: Merv Schweigert; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Hi, No I am presenting a software package and would like to show some signals on the K3 indoors at Dayton. So the antenna has to be small. Transmit not necessary! Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Merv Schweigert Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:56 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? Must be something I am missing here, your going to present at Dayton a talk about indoor antennas and have no experience using them? Maybe something lost in the translation I missed. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Hi I was wondering if anyone has any experience with indoor antennas? > I plan to present at Dayton and would like some hints as to how this works. > You can contact me off list please. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k9fd at flex.com . > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 10 13:31:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Can you set the power level Per antenna? Message-ID: <2071182098.1636068.1423593080221.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In preparation for getting a KPA500 I have ordered the KAT500. I also have the sub receiver (KRX3) What I would like to do is to use ANT1 on the K3 to feed into the KPA500 and KAT500. Then reconfigure the AUX antenna on the SUB Receiver to use the ANT2 port on the K3but I want to ensure that it will not transmit out the ANT2 port ever. Is there an easy way to do this? Thank you From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 10 13:48:14 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:48:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> Message-ID: <54DA526E.6050403@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/10/2015 10:11 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > You might find out if signals can be heard within the arena - there > must be a lot of steel in the structure. The far greater issue is likely to be RF noise. Elecraft does, indeed, use at least some recorded stuff in their display. They also use remote access to one or more stations, one of which is my neighbor K6XX, an engineer at Elecraft. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 10 13:52:18 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:52:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> Message-ID: <2130CC69-A9F6-4946-BAC4-7F789ED48F22@elecraft.com> The building is steel and almost impervious to RF. We had an external antenna last year. You can do a demo using "inside signals," but they won't be very interesting unless you plant stooges around the arena with QRP rigs. Wayne N6KR On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Tom, > You might find out if signals can be heard within the arena - there > must be a lot of steel in the structure. I think Elecraft uses recorded > signals for their stand's display. Do not hold me to this but the likes or > Eric, Wayne or Don would know for sure. > > 73 Doug EI2CN From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Feb 10 13:54:06 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:54:06 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <2130CC69-A9F6-4946-BAC4-7F789ED48F22@elecraft.com> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> <2130CC69-A9F6-4946-BAC4-7F789ED48F22@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne and All, This sets Elecraft apart. The principals of the company and design engineers talk with their customers. How wonderful. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: 10 February 2015 18:52 To: Doug Turnbull Cc: 'Tom Blahovici'; 'Merv Schweigert'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? The building is steel and almost impervious to RF. We had an external antenna last year. You can do a demo using "inside signals," but they won't be very interesting unless you plant stooges around the arena with QRP rigs. Wayne N6KR On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Tom, > You might find out if signals can be heard within the arena - there > must be a lot of steel in the structure. I think Elecraft uses recorded > signals for their stand's display. Do not hold me to this but the likes or > Eric, Wayne or Don would know for sure. > > 73 Doug EI2CN From kevinr at coho.net Tue Feb 10 14:04:22 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:04:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <2130CC69-A9F6-4946-BAC4-7F789ED48F22@elecraft.com> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> <2130CC69-A9F6-4946-BAC4-7F789ED48F22@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DA5636.9090609@coho.net> I was an Elecraft representative at Seapac in 2002 or 2003. I hooked the K2 up to the metal framing holding the venue's curtains. There were two pedestrian mobile stations to work and by the end of the day two more fixed stations. So we were able to make contacts with each of them. I brought some special QSL cards for the occasion and talked with quite a few CW operators. The sound of CW brought many folks to the Elecraft booth. It was fun to watch them copy in their heads as they listened. Load whatever you can and have fun. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On 2/10/2015 10:52 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The building is steel and almost impervious to RF. We had an external antenna last year. > > You can do a demo using "inside signals," but they won't be very interesting unless you plant stooges around the arena with QRP rigs. > > Wayne > N6KR > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > >> Tom, >> You might find out if signals can be heard within the arena - there >> must be a lot of steel in the structure. I think Elecraft uses recorded >> signals for their stand's display. Do not hold me to this but the likes or >> Eric, Wayne or Don would know for sure. >> >> 73 Doug EI2CN > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Feb 10 15:03:25 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:03:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: W3FPR In-Reply-To: <54D9A8AD.9020103@embarqmail.com> References: <54D834A4.9080903@socal.rr.com> <54D96300.4050900@att.net> <54D972B4.2090602@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54D9A8AD.9020103@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DA640D.4010109@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Sometimes the best way to find something is to start replacing it. I think I'm at that point.... On 2/9/2015 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lynn, > > You will find it someplace you have not yet looked:-) . Happy hunting. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 15:17:27 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:17:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 gettin' old..... In-Reply-To: <1423590364083-7598154.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1668047022.2399079.1423552773857.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1423590364083-7598154.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54DA6757.7020500@embarqmail.com> Sverre, I would replace them - the pushbuttons are difficult to remove solder from the pins, even with a good de-soldering iron. I cut the pins as close to the button body as possible and remove them from the board one at a time. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 12:46 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > My K2 is also old now - 14 years I believe - and I don't use it that often > any longer. I notice that the pushbuttons need some exercising before they > work now. For instance no 7 and 8 (where I have CW stored for LA3ZA and 5nn > - yes, I'm a lazy CW operator!). Is there any cure for this - other than to > replace them or use them more often? > From radioham at mchsi.com Tue Feb 10 15:25:08 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:25:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mac Microphine input Message-ID: For those who need a microphone input for a Mac with a Thunderbolt port, I just ran across this Supposed to work for Windows as well. I know nothing further about it. David K0LUM From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Feb 10 15:26:07 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:26:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" Message-ID: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Has anyone tried a 12v "brick" like most laptops use for their KX3? Comments one way or another?? Thanks -- Lynn From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Feb 10 15:34:28 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:34:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Has anyone tried a 12v "brick" like most laptops use for their KX3? > > Comments one way or another?? > > Thanks -- Lynn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From radioham at mchsi.com Tue Feb 10 15:48:55 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:48:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: I have run across some at lower voltages. Look around. I have checked some to make sure they didn?t rise too high under no load and for RFI. A number seem pretty good. These were all older ones. David K0LUM On Feb 10, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > >> Has anyone tried a 12v "brick" like most laptops use for their KX3? >> >> Comments one way or another?? >> >> Thanks -- Lynn >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Feb 10 15:50:19 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:50:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <536279A9-C289-42FA-8FB5-E69D0D08477A@me.com> Lynn, I have used and was very happy with the PAE-Kx33 https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-ac-power-supply/ However, I acquired a few more Elecraft devices (PX3, KAT500, W2, and a relay for a larger amp), so I consolidated all of the 12VDC devices using a Power Werx 30 amp (more than enough) power supply http://www.powerwerx.com/power-supplies/ with Anderson Power Poles and the red/black zip line. Very neat. It was Elecraft?s recommendation to use a single amp rather than several smaller bricks. They use Power Werx in the field. Appears the single DC amp is the quietest and cleanest. David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA > On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Has anyone tried a 12v "brick" like most laptops use for their KX3? > > Comments one way or another?? > > Thanks -- Lynn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Feb 10 15:57:30 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:57:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <54DA70BA.4000904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I just looked at four bricks floating around my office, and two of them are 12v. The other two are 18v and 19v. The smallest one I have is 2a, which would probably charge the internal KX3 batteries. The bigger one might be okay for transmitting. That's why I specified "12v brick" in my post. There are many different bricks out there. 73 -- Lynn On 2/10/2015 12:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > From fptownsend at earthlink.net Tue Feb 10 16:05:06 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:05:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <001d01d04575$3fccf030$bf66d090$@earthlink.net> Lynn: Probably a bad idea. The so called computer bricks are designed as charge pumps to drive another power converter. As such they are not necessarily clean or well regulated. 73, Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 12:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" Has anyone tried a 12v "brick" like most laptops use for their KX3? Comments one way or another?? Thanks -- Lynn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Feb 10 16:05:27 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:05:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA70BA.4000904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> <54DA70BA.4000904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: I?m not an expert on this, but from what I?ve observed is that some of these DC bricks can be very noisy. > On Feb 10, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > I just looked at four bricks floating around my office, and two of them are 12v. The other two are 18v and 19v. > > The smallest one I have is 2a, which would probably charge the internal KX3 batteries. The bigger one might be okay for transmitting. > > That's why I specified "12v brick" in my post. There are many different bricks out there. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 2/10/2015 12:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 16:06:56 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:06:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA70BA.4000904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <63839343-813F-46F2-AB17-5D8EF9649395@wunderwood.org> <54DA70BA.4000904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54DA72F0.3010709@embarqmail.com> Lynn, You really should use 13.8 volts or higher if you can. It will result in a cleaner signal (lower IMD). If you are using a supply with less than that voltage, it is wise to back down on the power a bit. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 3:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > I just looked at four bricks floating around my office, and two of > them are 12v. The other two are 18v and 19v. > > The smallest one I have is 2a, which would probably charge the > internal KX3 batteries. The bigger one might be okay for transmitting. > > That's why I specified "12v brick" in my post. There are many > different bricks out there. > > 73 -- Lynn > From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 10 16:07:36 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 Message-ID: <818402404.1712523.1423602456590.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I was given a DEMI TIK2 transverter interface board which I would like to install in a K2.? It requires the 8T signal on pin 6 of J13 on the RF board, which was there on early K2s but not on more recent versions.? Can I just connect together?the pads marked "X" and "8T" (on page 9 of the K60XV manual for example) ?? Or will this make weird things happen?? Obviously I'd have to break this connection if I wanted to swap in a K60XV instead.?73,Steve VE3SMA From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 10 17:02:23 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:02:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423605743369-7598176.post@n2.nabble.com> Got an email from Elecraft on how to fix this problem. You have to go into the menu to ATU MD on each band and tap & hold CLR to erase the memory. Then go into each band and tune into a dummy load to re-establish the memory. Problem fixed. The staff at Elecraft never cease to amaze me. Special thanks to Howard. Too Much Fun 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598176.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 10 17:10:54 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:10:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <54DA695F.9030600@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <1423606254243-7598177.post@n2.nabble.com> I used 11 5000 mah NIMH's, 13.2v. Then used a Pepsi plastic bottle for a shrink wrap. But then I had a charger capable of charging the NIMH's. Make sure the laptop bat is 12v and not something bigger with a regulator inside the LT. Usually the charging is done by the LT I believe. If it is a lithium battery you will need a special charger capable of lithium's. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-power-supply-brick-tp7598168p7598177.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Feb 10 17:57:05 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:57:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <3DBEF06C-68B8-4148-BF8F-27CDA7661C63@widomaker.com> References: <3DBEF06C-68B8-4148-BF8F-27CDA7661C63@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <54DA8CC1.4060303@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I don't disagree with any of the theory. I was hoping for some responses based on actual experience. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:10:55 -0500 From: Nr4c To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT You'll need at least 13.8 volts to charge the batteries. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Feb 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > I just looked at four bricks floating around my office, and two of them are 12v. The other two are 18v and 19v. > > The smallest one I have is 2a, which would probably charge the internal KX3 batteries. The bigger one might be okay for transmitting. > > That's why I specified "12v brick" in my post. There are many different bricks out there. > > 73 -- Lynn > >> On 2/10/2015 12:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 10 18:30:57 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:30:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 In-Reply-To: <818402404.1712523.1423602456590.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <818402404.1712523.1423602456590.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DA94B1.5040802@embarqmail.com> Steve, As far as I can determine, no harm would come from making that connection. IMHO, it would be better to invert the 8R signal, but then I did not have any 'say' in the DEMI design. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 4:07 PM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: > I was given a DEMI TIK2 transverter interface board which I would like to install in a K2. It requires the 8T signal on pin 6 of J13 on the RF board, which was there on early K2s but not on more recent versions. Can I just connect together the pads marked "X" and "8T" (on page 9 of the K60XV manual for example) ? Or will this make weird things happen? Obviously I'd have to break this connection if I wanted to swap in a K60XV instead. 73,Steve VE3SMA > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:36:47 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:36:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD - [Crosspost] [OT] KX3 Plus Accessories For Sale In-Reply-To: <356DC72A-E9DC-401F-B1A3-71CCEBBA8916@gmail.com> References: <356DC72A-E9DC-401F-B1A3-71CCEBBA8916@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6528029F-A732-4575-8C39-43C8B28A1387@gmail.com> Package is sold. Thanks for all the inquiries. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Joel Black wrote: > > Updated price is $1350 +shipping from my address at QRZ.com . If the shipping + insurance is over $25, I?ll pay the difference and I?ll eat the PayPal fee. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 21:43:41 2015 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:43:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423622621380-7598181.post@n2.nabble.com> Brian, I think Don, W3FPR, answered your question. FYI, My K2 and SSB is a fairly early model from 2001. I did not like the bandwidth and changed it to 2.5khz early on. I believe this was a mod from KI6XX. Don't have those notes handy. Always got many unsolicited good audio reports for many years. Recently, though, I started getting reports that there were some unwanted artifacts in my signal and that the audio had too much bass. This was with the MH2 or the Yamaha CM 500. I also noticed that when I was using the amp(KPA 500) that it only took about 20 to 22 watts to drive the amp to full power in SSB. I guess that it is possible that one or more of the capacitors that I replaced had changed value. The changes that I just made has made big improvements in the audio according to several people that I talk to on a regular basis. It also takes 30 to33 watts to drive the amp to full power now, which I believe is more normal. As always, YMMV. 73, George NC5G >George et al: >Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-SSB-Performance-Improvement-tp7596200p7598181.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jrmcbee at cox.net Tue Feb 10 22:27:21 2015 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 ERR DSE Message-ID: <54DACC19.7090505@cox.net> I was getting this error from the kxr3 menu when changing from ATU port to BNC port I have gotten this error a few times since I have installed the kxr3. But all usually works. The book said to try to reload the dsp 1 firmware and dsp2 firmware, so I opened up the k3 utility and tried to reload all firmware. The k3 errored out on loading firmware and display said MCU LD and lost com port communications. I could not turn off k3 by pwr button so turned off pwr supply, now can't get the rig to reset buy holding the shift-lo button in while pwr up k3. So can't load new firmware yet. Any suggestions.. I will keep looking in manual for a reset option. Thanks John From b.denley at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 22:33:36 2015 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Performance Improvement In-Reply-To: <54D9AB2C.6060708@embarqmail.com> References: <5105D7549B3542F28AC1F8E759F7F9A7@dadlaptop> <1423539133178-7598119.post@n2.nabble.com> <54D99DC0.1040408@socal.rr.com> <54D9AB2C.6060708@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <69B53A49-5E3E-4D2D-96B4-FE110D92F06D@comcast.net> Thanks Don, Jim and George. I would guess that any method that shapes the audio would have the same desired effect i.e. different mic element, equalizer, etc. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Those mods are not 'official Elecraft', but will help in reducing the bass response of the KSB2. That is a good thing with any microphone because the low frequency response just wastes power and does not add much to communications quality. > > It is applicable for any microphone, not just the Heil. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 2/10/2015 12:57 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Good question. I've never had any issues with my audio reports, using the Elecraft MH2 mic; in fact all audio reports have been positive. It sounds like these mods are for the Proset K2 Heil mic/headset (I'm not sure which Heil mic element is in this model). >> >> There were some K2 mods related to the SSB bandwidth, but these were not so much "audio", if I understand the question -- though they would impact the audio. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >>> On 2/9/15 8:33 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >>> George et al: >>> Did Elecraft ever adopt these (or any other) K2 SSB audio changes? >>> >>> Brian >>> KB1VBF >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 10:32 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting this, Ray. I also was getting those kind of reports on my >>>> K2. I was able to get the 1uF electrolytics but was unable to find the >>>> 0.1uF. G3RXQ was quick to respond to my email and said that a 0.1uF >>>> monolithic could be used instead. The results are great, as confirmed by >>>> hams I talk to on a regular basis for many years. >>>> >>>> Now, if I could only get the circuit between my ears to work so that I could >>>> tell that I had not put my K2 in split mode while trying to work K1N a >>>> little while ago, all would be good. The "frequency police" were not bashful >>>> in letting me know the error of my ways. >>>> >>>> Thanks again. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> George NC5G >>>> >>>> >>>>> Other K2 owners may be interested in this. >>>>> After getting many reports of poor quality transmit audio with my K2 (using >>>> the Proset K2 Heil boom >microphone and headset), I carried out the >>>> modifications described by G3RXQ which increase the lower cut >off frequency >>>> of the microphone circuit on the KSB2. This involves changing C34 from >>>> 2.2uF to 1uF, C31 >from 2.2uF to 1uF and C20 from 0.33uF to 0.1uF. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From jrmcbee at cox.net Tue Feb 10 22:57:31 2015 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:57:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 ERR DSE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DAD32B.7030807@cox.net> On 2/10/2015 9:27 PM, John McBee wrote: > I was getting this error from the kxr3 menu when changing from ATU > port to BNC port I have gotten this error a few times since I have > installed the kxr3. But all usually works. The book said to try to > reload the dsp 1 firmware and dsp2 firmware, so I opened up the k3 > utility and tried to reload all firmware. The k3 errored out on > loading firmware and display said MCU LD and lost com port > communications. I could not turn off k3 by pwr button so turned off > pwr supply, now can't get the rig to reset buy holding the shift-lo > button in while pwr up k3. So can't load new firmware yet. Any > suggestions.. I will keep looking in manual for a reset option. > > Thanks > John > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jrmcbee at cox.net I have read the MCU load error under K3 Firmware Self-Test and what to do in an error of loading MCU but I have lost communications with the k3 with my serial to usb cable that I normally use and have tried a serial to serial cable to another computer that still has a serial port- DB9 connections, I have also changed the baud rate to 38400 which it was before it crashed. No luck with any of these actions. Any help would be great. John From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Tue Feb 10 23:06:54 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 04:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 In-Reply-To: <54DA94B1.5040802@embarqmail.com> References: <54DA94B1.5040802@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1798745731.1812516.1423627614536.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Don.? That is what I was figuring too, but I wanted another pair of eyes on it!? The TIK2 uses both the 8R and 8T lines - typically 8R is?used for transverter PTT, while 8T is (optionally) used to switch the bias to the K2 PA to ensure it stays off when using the transverter.? I think it would probably be ok to leave it unconnected, but I'm just reviewing my options.?73,Steve VE3SMA From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Kavanagh ; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 Steve, As far as I can determine, no harm would come from making that connection. IMHO, it would be better to invert the 8R signal, but then I did not have any 'say' in the DEMI design. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 4:07 PM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: > I was given a DEMI TIK2 transverter interface board which I would like to install in a K2.? It requires the 8T signal on pin 6 of J13 on the RF board, which was there on early K2s but not on more recent versions.? Can I just connect together the pads marked "X" and "8T" (on page 9 of the K60XV manual for example) ?? Or will this make weird things happen?? Obviously I'd have to break this connection if I wanted to swap in a K60XV instead. 73,Steve VE3SMA > From jrmcbee at cox.net Tue Feb 10 23:17:11 2015 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:17:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD - [Crosspost] [OT] KX3 Plus Accessories For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <356DC72A-E9DC-401F-B1A3-71CCEBBA8916@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DAD7C7.5000609@cox.net> On 2/10/2015 6:36 PM, Joel Black wrote: > Package is sold. Thanks for all the inquiries. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > >> On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Joel Black wrote: >> >> Updated price is $1350 +shipping from my address at QRZ.com . If the shipping + insurance is over $25, I?ll pay the difference and I?ll eat the PayPal fee. >> >> 73, >> Joel - W4JBB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jrmcbee at cox.net I have fixed the problem. Got all reload. Sorry for the band width. John From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 10 23:34:37 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:34:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423605743369-7598176.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> <1423605743369-7598176.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423629277624-7598187.post@n2.nabble.com> This did not cure all of the problem. with a dummy load at the bnc ATU TUNE gives a 1.1-1. TUNE gives a 1.3-1. Why are they different ? Looking at the HR50 amp with an analyzer shows 1.3-1, but when I transmit I get a 2.1-1 on the KX3. Why is this different ? Amp works fine. KX3 works fine. They don't want to work together. Could it be a display fluke ? All test were done on 10 meters. 160 thru 20 are OK. The rest not. All firmware up to date. Anybody else have swr issues like this ? 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598187.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 23:50:15 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT3 question Message-ID: Good evening, I have a question about using the antenna tuner in the KX3. Is it necessary to hit the ATU TUNE button after moving the VFO by a few hundred kilohertz or after a band change? What happens if I don't? Will the ATU kick in and do it's thing on it's own? Kinda confused about this aspect of my new radio... 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From don at w3fpr.com Wed Feb 11 01:01:28 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 01:01:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 In-Reply-To: <1798745731.1812516.1423627614536.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54DA94B1.5040802@embarqmail.com> <1798745731.1812516.1423627614536.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DAF038.6000703@w3fpr.com> Steve, Well, that is another interesting development. Just how does it interrupt the 8T voltage to the PA bias (Q11 and Q13)? It would not be good to short the 8T line, because that would just draw current and cause many parts of the transmit section of the K2 to not work. Opening the RF path to the K2 driver and PA would be a better way of doing things. In other words (like the K60XV), opening the path between J13 pins 3 and 5 (with jumper W6 removed) would do that task. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 11:06 PM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: > Thanks, Don. That is what I was figuring too, but I wanted another pair of eyes on it! The TIK2 uses both the 8R and 8T lines - typically 8R is used for transverter PTT, while 8T is (optionally) used to switch the bias to the K2 PA to ensure it stays off when using the transverter. I think it would probably be ok to leave it unconnected, but I'm just reviewing my options. 73,Steve VE3SMA > From: Don Wilhelm > To: Steve Kavanagh ; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] 8T signal at J13 > > Steve, > > As far as I can determine, no harm would come from making that connection. > IMHO, it would be better to invert the 8R signal, but then I did not > have any 'say' in the DEMI design. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/10/2015 4:07 PM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: >> I was given a DEMI TIK2 transverter interface board which I would like to install in a K2. It requires the 8T signal on pin 6 of J13 on the RF board, which was there on early K2s but not on more recent versions. Can I just connect together the pads marked "X" and "8T" (on page 9 of the K60XV manual for example) ? Or will this make weird things happen? Obviously I'd have to break this connection if I wanted to swap in a K60XV instead. 73,Steve VE3SMA >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 11 01:10:35 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 01:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXAT3 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DAF25B.6070505@embarqmail.com> Joshua, If you have previously "trained" your antenna tuner to that particular antenna on that new band segment, then there is no need to do an ATU TUNE - the tuner will automatically pick the proper L/C components for that band segment. That is what is "automatic" about the Elecraft tuners. Tune it once on that band segment and it will automatically select that tuning combination for the new frequency. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/10/2015 11:50 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > Good evening, > > I have a question about using the antenna tuner in the KX3. > > Is it necessary to hit the ATU TUNE button after moving the VFO by a few > hundred kilohertz or after a band change? What happens if I don't? Will > the ATU kick in and do it's thing on it's own? > > Kinda confused about this aspect of my new radio... > > 73, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Wed Feb 11 07:29:00 2015 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:29:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Transmit Timeout Timer Message-ID: <54DB4B0C.2090307@g3ysx.org.uk> I know that this has been asked before, but as far as I can tell the feature has not been implemented and I wonder if there is any hope for the future. When using the K3 as a remote station it is highly desirable (read that as really essential) for a transmit time out system to be in place. That is a system that forces a limit on the transmit time before requiring PTT to cycle. I realize that this can be added externally, but that is something of a hack compared to having the radio do it. This feature is present in pretty much every HF radio I can think of, except the K3. I have no idea how close to the ROM limit the K3 is, but absent that constraint the feature is surely trivial to implement, particularly as the K3 already has a real time clock. If space or development time are an issue even a fixed time of say 10 minutes would be a step forward. Apologies if it has crept in and I have not noticed, but is there any chance of adding this simple feature? 73 Stewart/G3YSX From p.vano at cpce.net Wed Feb 11 07:49:29 2015 From: p.vano at cpce.net (VANO Peter) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:49:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX2 issue Message-ID: <54DB4FD9.2000509@cpce.net> Gentlemen, using button A>B the bandwith chosen in Rx A is not transferred to Rx B and I have to go to B SET, turn slightly WIDTH knob and then Rx B jumps to copy width Rx A. Any help please? TNX and 73, Peter OM7VV From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 11 08:07:08 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX2 issue In-Reply-To: <54DB4FD9.2000509@cpce.net> References: <54DB4FD9.2000509@cpce.net> Message-ID: <54DB53FC.6000200@subich.com> Tap A>B *TWICE*. The second tap transfers all parameters not just frequency and mode. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-11 7:49 AM, VANO Peter wrote: > Gentlemen, > using button A>B the bandwith chosen in Rx A is not transferred to Rx B > and I have to go to B SET, turn slightly WIDTH knob and then Rx B jumps > to copy width Rx A. > Any help please? > TNX and 73, Peter OM7VV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From p.vano at cpce.net Wed Feb 11 09:54:39 2015 From: p.vano at cpce.net (VANO Peter) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:54:39 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX2 issue Message-ID: <54DB6D2F.9050908@cpce.net> Stupid boy, should RTFM first:-) Thank you all guys, From mjwetzel at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 10:45:24 2015 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request Message-ID: Just playing with a borrowed KX3 and noticed a nice feature on the AFX MD. You can select off, delay and pitch. Any chance pitch could be added to the K3? In effect the pitch of CW stations maps from left to right. BTW my P3 does a lot of freezing. Thanks, Mike W9RE From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 11 11:25:51 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:25:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Transmit Timeout Timer In-Reply-To: <54DB4B0C.2090307@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <54DB4B0C.2090307@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <834123B6-F0F9-43A6-B7E4-A5944CE05FCB@elecraft.com> This is on the wish list. I'll move it up. Wayne On Feb 11, 2015, at 4:29 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I know that this has been asked before, but as far as I can tell > the feature has not been implemented and I wonder if there is > any hope for the future. > > When using the K3 as a remote station it is highly desirable > (read that as really essential) for a transmit time out system > to be in place. That is a system that forces a limit on > the transmit time before requiring PTT to cycle. I realize > that this can be added externally, but that is something of > a hack compared to having the radio do it. > > This feature is present in pretty much every HF radio I can > think of, except the K3. I have no idea how close to the > ROM limit the K3 is, but absent that constraint the feature is > surely trivial to implement, particularly as the K3 already has > a real time clock. If space or development time are an issue > even a fixed time of say 10 minutes would be a step forward. > > Apologies if it has crept in and I have not noticed, but is > there any chance of adding this simple feature? > > 73 > > Stewart/G3YSX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 11:35:12 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:35:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DB84C0.8070509@gmail.com> Yeah, I've envied KX3 users this feature too. Would be nice. And I still have occasional P3 freezes although the latest firmware version is better than the previous one. On 11 Feb 2015 17:45, Mike Wetzel wrote: > Just playing with a borrowed KX3 and noticed a nice feature on the AFX MD. > You can select off, delay and pitch. Any chance pitch could be added to the > K3? In effect the pitch of CW stations maps from left to right. > > > > BTW my P3 does a lot of freezing. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike W9RE -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From fretjock at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 12:23:47 2015 From: fretjock at hotmail.com (William Schmidt) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 curious problems Message-ID: I'm looking for some help with my K2 (SN 5165) that has developed the following problems: 1. Even after pushing the A=B vfo control, B does not track with the A vfo but remains where it was when the A=B was pushed. 2. When I turn on the K2 the audio initially sounds fine but after a variable interval it becomes distorted and muffled. The strange thing is that if I cycle the power off and on the audio returns to normal. This doesn't affect the transmitter. The voltages on the 5v and 8v lines measure ok. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the MCU or with a relay that needs to reset. Is this a problem that others have noticed? I'm at a loss as to how to track this down. Bill, WV1N From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 11 12:41:26 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:41:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 curious problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DB9446.8060701@socal.rr.com> Bill, I thought 1 was normal. I never thought B would track A. No ideas about 2. Phil W7OX On 2/11/15 9:23 AM, William Schmidt wrote: > I'm looking for some help with my K2 (SN 5165) that has developed the following problems: > > 1. Even after pushing the A=B vfo control, B does not track with the A vfo but remains where it was when the A=B was pushed. > > 2. When I turn on the K2 the audio initially sounds fine but after a variable interval it becomes distorted and muffled. The strange thing is that if I cycle the power off and on the audio returns to normal. This doesn't affect the transmitter. > > The voltages on the 5v and 8v lines measure ok. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the MCU or with a relay that needs to reset. Is this a problem that others have noticed? I'm at a loss as to how to track this down. > > > Bill, WV1N > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 11 12:57:05 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 curious problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DB97F1.7050301@embarqmail.com> Bill, #1 - the K2 A=B button is working as designed - the VFOs do not track each other, they are independent. This is normally the first thing one would do when setting up split on the K2 - set the VFOs equal, then move your transmit VFO up to where you wish to transmit and activate SPLIT. #2 - It is difficult to say where the distortion is coming from without further investigation. That is not normal. One thing I might mention is the possibility of hum from an AC transformer being coupled into the K2 VFO. Try moving the K2 at least 2 feet (more if possible) away from anything on the desk containing a transformer - some desk lamps contain a transformer in the base. Should a nearby transformer (or other form of magnetic coupling) be the source of the distortion, and you have to place the device near the K2, Elecraft has a VFOSHLDKT mod kit available that can be added if needed. If the distortion is not caused by a magnetically coupled field, you will have to do some testing to find the source. I would suggest connecting the output of the product detector (available at the J5 location on the RF Board) to an external audio amplifier or computer soundcard input to see if the distortion is present there. If you have the KDSP2 option installed, try putting it into BYPASS to see if the distortion stops. It is possible to make the KDSP2 noise reduction so aggressive that it begins to distort. If that is the cause, turn off the NR and NT settings in the DSP menu or set the parameters back to the defaults (see the KDSP2 manual for instructions) 73, Don W3FPR On 2/11/2015 12:23 PM, William Schmidt wrote: > I'm looking for some help with my K2 (SN 5165) that has developed the following problems: > > 1. Even after pushing the A=B vfo control, B does not track with the A vfo but remains where it was when the A=B was pushed. > > 2. When I turn on the K2 the audio initially sounds fine but after a variable interval it becomes distorted and muffled. The strange thing is that if I cycle the power off and on the audio returns to normal. This doesn't affect the transmitter. > > The voltages on the 5v and 8v lines measure ok. I'm not sure if this is a problem with the MCU or with a relay that needs to reset. Is this a problem that others have noticed? I'm at a loss as to how to track this down. > > > From djcarohmer at ntin.net Wed Feb 11 13:03:44 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne and Cheryl Rohmer) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:03:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Transmit Timeout Timer In-Reply-To: <834123B6-F0F9-43A6-B7E4-A5944CE05FCB@elecraft.com> References: <54DB4B0C.2090307@g3ysx.org.uk> <834123B6-F0F9-43A6-B7E4-A5944CE05FCB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DB9980.2050403@ntin.net> Wayne, I'll second the request for a transmit timeout feature. Adjustable parameter if space allows, but fixed at 10 minutes would work for me. 73, Dwayne WV5I From clawsoncw at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 13:14:51 2015 From: clawsoncw at gmail.com (Carl Clawson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:14:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 (+SVGA) freeze update Message-ID: One observation: I too have found the newest firmware to be much better. But I had it freeze once and it didn't seem like it was ever coming back. I didn't time it but it must have been stuck for at least 10 or 15 seconds. I tapped my foot switch to briefly flick the K3 in and out of transmit, and it started updating right away. HTH -- Carl From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Feb 11 13:22:18 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:22:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Indoor antennas at Dayton? In-Reply-To: <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> References: <0NJK00GHNGYKWF50@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>, <180B8E3CBAA24B88BA482C2B786F3BC2@DOUG1> Message-ID: <54DB9DDA.5359.378602B@Gary.ka1j.com> In the early 90's I lived in a condo and couldn't put anything outside for an antenna. The MFJ Isoloop was fairly new but I wanted to work the lower bands more than 10-20. In either the ARRL Handbook or the antenna handbook from the 80's (Don't think it was Bill Orr's handbook) I found instructions written by a Ham in Florida I believe, to make an octagonal short transmitting loop out of 1" copper pipe and 45? junctions. An extremely high Q antenna, it was center fed at the bottom horizontal pipe with a gamma match made of flexible copper tubing running from the center of the coax to the center of the first 45? section. It had a very narrow bandwidth of maybe 5KHz but it was a perfect 1:1 match at its resonant frequency. You could adjust the resonant frequency by changing capacitance at the feed point. There were several ways of doing this, the most straightforward way was to use air variables that were wide enough not to arc. I wanted to use my SB-220 with this antenna so I decided to use an on-hand 15KV 5-500 pF vacuum variable. I wanted to make a geared stepper motor control to run it remotely but that was new technology to me at the time and opted instead to use a pair of servos which worked perfectly. I put a Groth tuner on the servo in the control box by the radio and kept the numbers to get tuned quickly in a notebook. I made three of these antennas and placed them on the wall going east west with the largest octagon 7 feet from top to bottom, a smaller one about 4.5 feet high inside and inside of that, another one 3 feet high. Using all three of these antennas I could cover 160 through 10. According to the literature at its resonant frequency it was extremely efficient approaching something like 95% to that of a dipole at the same height(I never compared one of these antennas to a dipole at the same height but I will say it worked wonderfully for an indoor antenna). I built small shelves to hold the vacuum variable and servo assembly and used quick disconnects to allow me to switch between antennas without unscrewing anything, just relocating and reattaching that assembly. The XYL was willing to let me run the coax and control cable from the basement to the second floor of the condo where we had an unused spare room. I never had any arcing issues of any kind using the vacuum variable with that Heathkit amplifier. Since I was not in the room and didn't want her to touch the antenna while I was transmitting, she understood the reason not to go near the antenna and as an extra precaution, when the servo was engaged, an attached lightbulb was lit to resolve all doubt. It would be difficult to use such an antenna to chase DX that operates split because the band with is not as wide as some of the splits I'm seeing today. There were some crossover frequencies between the different antennas where the Q was lower at the bottom end of a larger loop and that would allow much larger splits. It was interesting to tune the antenna because you would turn to the desired frequency and then adjust the capacitor to get there and it was dead silent in the headphones until it was resonant where you were listening and instantly the band would become alive and loud. Extremely steep skirts. One of the most attractive aspects to me was that it would provide a good vertical polarization from your signal and that made it a good choice for DX. When I look through my log at the DX I was able to work with those antennas, I'm surprised at the number of entries. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Wed Feb 11 13:44:04 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:44:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423680244917-7598204.post@n2.nabble.com> The answer as to why different swr indications between ATU TUNE and TUNE is: With ATU TUNE the KX3 is looking thru its own ATU. With TUNE it is looking past the ATU. That's how is was explained to me by another KX3/AMP owner. 73, Bill,WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598204.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 11 14:03:50 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:03:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: KX3 power supply "brick" In-Reply-To: <54DB11B2.50503@ntlworld.com> References: <3DBEF06C-68B8-4148-BF8F-27CDA7661C63@widomaker.com> <54DA8CC1.4060303@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54DB11B2.50503@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <54DBA796.2050806@ntlworld.com> Sent again.... On 11/02/15 08:24, Dominic Baines wrote: > Lynn, > > When travelling I often use a power brick with my KX3. When mains is > available it is a convenient way to power one. There are quite a few > to choose from and I did test the voltage output. The near 12V one's > often vary in output voltage from about 11.8V right up to 14V, mine > will deliver 14.4V @3 amps no problem. I think it was from some bit of > portable test kit, rally purchase, but some of the Dell, Acer and HP > mini laptops used voltages about this level I believe. The other > alternatives that are relatively easy to obtain are 12V DC lighting > supplies or CCTV camera supplies. Needless to say they are switch mode > so can be regarded as the devil spawn by some... but a simple common > mode choke on the mains in and the DC out usually gets rid of most > issues (not seen any myself). I added a big 6amp silicon diode (and a > fuse) in line so it dropped the output voltage to 13.8V nicely). KX3 > reports 13.7V. Nice thing is it 'looks' like a laptop power supply so > airport security et al are less bothered than something homebrew in an > ABS/ dicast/Hammond box. Usefully the one I have also has a 5V USB > output for recharging a mobile phone, ipod etc. It also doubles up as > the power supply for my acer one laptop. > > They tend to be plastic glued/welded shut so you cannot do much about > what is inside but if you are brave you could rehouse and try and work > out lifting the output voltage, or trimming it back if too high. A > lack of any circuit diagram or knowledge about these things and lethal > main voltages being present precludes me from recommending that course > of action. > > I do not have the battery recharger in either of mine and tend to run > without internal batteries anyway but you will need >13.8V to get that > to work, but you could also use a separate 12V to 8AA recharger too I > believe. > > 72 > > Dom > M1KTA > #1082 and #2334 > > On 10/02/15 22:57, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> I don't disagree with any of the theory. >> >> I was hoping for some responses based on actual experience. >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 power supply "brick" >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:10:55 -0500 >> From: Nr4c >> To: Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >> >> >> >> You'll need at least 13.8 volts to charge the batteries. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT >>> wrote: >>> >>> I just looked at four bricks floating around my office, and two of >>> them are 12v. The other two are 18v and 19v. >>> >>> The smallest one I have is 2a, which would probably charge the >>> internal KX3 batteries. The bigger one might be okay for transmitting. >>> >>> That's why I specified "12v brick" in my post. There are many >>> different bricks out there. >>> >>> 73 -- Lynn >>> >>>> On 2/10/2015 12:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>>> Most laptop bricks are 16V or higher, too much voltage for the KX3. >>>> >>>> wunder >>>> K6WRU >>>> CM87wj >>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to m1kta at arrl.net > From Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Feb 11 14:18:14 2015 From: Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu (Henshaw, Andy) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:18:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 Message-ID: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? Andrew Henshaw From santini at verizon.net Wed Feb 11 16:03:27 2015 From: santini at verizon.net (Jim Wilkie) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:03:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Message-ID: <54DBC39F.9070105@verizon.net> Andt, will wait for the experts to answer, but I think the nimh charger vs the lopo charger would be a problem. Jim Wilkie WY4R On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: > Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. > > I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. > > It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? > > Andrew Henshaw > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to santini at verizon.net > From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 16:16:06 2015 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:16:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 (+SVGA) freeze update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423689366151-7598208.post@n2.nabble.com> I have been 'fighting' P3 freezes for a long time. Mostly mine have seemed to be RFI related. I recently implemented most of Jim Brown's RFI prevention suggestions, bonding, ferrite chokes, interconnected earth grounds, pin-1 problems, etc. and they have made a big difference. The freezing is not easily reproduced, so it is hard to troubleshoot. It is really a pain when it occurs in a contest. The new FW works much better, but I still get the occasional freeze. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-freeze-update-tp7598202p7598208.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Feb 11 16:25:18 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Any surplus KFL3B-FM & KFL3A-6K AM filters out there? In-Reply-To: <54DBC830.27851.41DC17F@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54DBC830.27851.41DC17F@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54DBC8BE.3216.41FEBCA@Gary.ka1j.com> If anyone has a KFL3B-FM or KFL3A-6K AM filter they aren't using and would like to get rid of, please contact me directly, off-list. Thanks. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 11 16:28:48 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Message-ID: <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> Andrew, I must ask - how do you propose to charge them? The KXBC3 option is designed to charge only NiMH batteries. I guess you *could* design your own internal charger, but fitting it into the KX3 would be a bit of a challenge. If you do not design a specific LiFePo4 charger to fit into the KX3, then you will have to remove the batteries to recharge them (and carry along the charger). IMHO, a PITA. I would rather run with an external battery pack instead of 'toting' a charger. So bottom line, unless you want to design your own charger to fit into the KX3 enclosure (and any firmware mods to properly operate and monitor it), then I would think the NiMh batteries or an external battery pack would be the better solution. That is my opinion. The KX3 choice of NiMh batteries was a good one. If the batteries die and there is no source of external power to charge them, one can always find alkaline AA batteries to pop in the KX3 to operate. Things like that do happen in the field and I have not seen fully charged LiFePo4 batteries in the local drugstore yet -- maybe someday, but not now. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: > Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. > > I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. > > It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? > > From Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Feb 11 17:00:17 2015 From: Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu (Henshaw, Andy) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:00:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <6f83f4ca17de477fbc0f5bcebf698a81@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Well, that's why I had hoped that someone had hacked together a complete solution (including internal charger). For my immediate purposes, however, an external charger would be acceptable, even though I hate cracking open my KX3 to remove batteries. But, for the one- or two-day backpacking trips that I'm likely to do, a single charge would be sufficient for me. For your last-ditch option (alkaline AAs), I'd imagine that a small bit of circuitry (one 2-pole switch?) would make it relatively easy to convert from two parallel 4-cells batteries (LiFePo4) to one series 8-cell battery (alkaline). -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 4:29 PM To: Henshaw, Andy; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 Andrew, I must ask - how do you propose to charge them? The KXBC3 option is designed to charge only NiMH batteries. I guess you *could* design your own internal charger, but fitting it into the KX3 would be a bit of a challenge. If you do not design a specific LiFePo4 charger to fit into the KX3, then you will have to remove the batteries to recharge them (and carry along the charger). IMHO, a PITA. I would rather run with an external battery pack instead of 'toting' a charger. So bottom line, unless you want to design your own charger to fit into the KX3 enclosure (and any firmware mods to properly operate and monitor it), then I would think the NiMh batteries or an external battery pack would be the better solution. That is my opinion. The KX3 choice of NiMh batteries was a good one. If the batteries die and there is no source of external power to charge them, one can always find alkaline AA batteries to pop in the KX3 to operate. Things like that do happen in the field and I have not seen fully charged LiFePo4 batteries in the local drugstore yet -- maybe someday, but not now. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: > Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. > > I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. > > It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Feb 11 17:35:44 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:35:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <6f83f4ca17de477fbc0f5bcebf698a81@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> <6f83f4ca17de477fbc0f5bcebf698a81@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Message-ID: <54DBD940.2010706@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,2/11/2015 2:00 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: > For my immediate purposes, however, an external charger would be acceptable, even though I hate cracking open my KX3 to remove batteries. But, for the one- or two-day backpacking trips that I'm likely to do, a single charge would be sufficient for me. I've been looking seriously at battery packs for KX3, and agree that LiFePO4 is the best solution. There are many options at http://www.batteryspace.com/128vlifepo4batterypacks.aspx BatterySpace gets their cells from a "partner" manufacturer in China, combines them in battery packs for all sorts of packages, sizes, shapes, and ratings, does the marketing, sells suitable chargers, etc. They're across the Bay from me in Fremont, CA. There's another company called Bionelle selling 20Ah and 30 Ah batteries at comparable prices. They come with PowerPole to run the radio, and a concentric jack for the charger. They're in Southern California. I don't know anything quality of these products, but both companies offer quite intelligent support by telephone and/or email. Carefully note the UN 38.3 Safety Test limitation on shipping. Battery Space has a lab to do that testing. I think they primarily sell to manufacturers, but they seem happy to deal with individuals. My neighbor, W6GJB, had a very good experience with them. I'm preparing an applications note on portable power, DC power, solar, etc. and would like to see first hand experience from those who have used any products in this category, good and bad. 73, Jim K9YC From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Wed Feb 11 17:38:56 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:38:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423694336948-7598213.post@n2.nabble.com> Sometimes the fix is a simple one and overlooked. Coax length. >From a suggestion from Howard at Elecraft I tested different lengths of coax between the KX3 and the HR50 amp. Made a big difference with what the KX3 sees from 160 to 10 meters. Now less than 1.5-1 or less. 30 thru 15 now 1.1-1. 35" it is. Longer NO, Shorter NO. Coax between KX3 and the Hatdrock50 Amp. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598213.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 17:41:30 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:41:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 (+SVGA) freeze update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423694490116-7598214.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Carl, I too am still experiencing occasional freezes. Typically 1 to 2 seconds in length. I'm going to guess that the improvement is on the order of 95%. I think the problem was described as the way in which the K3 tells the P3 that it is coming out of transmit. You would think that if the firmware fixed this communication issue that it would have been a 100% fix unless there was a second reason for freezing. 73, Mike K2MK Carl Clawson-3 wrote > One observation: > > I too have found the newest firmware to be much better. But I had it > freeze > once and it didn't seem like it was ever coming back. I didn't time it but > it must have been stuck for at least 10 or 15 seconds. I tapped my foot > switch to briefly flick the K3 in and out of transmit, and it started > updating right away. > > HTH -- Carl -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-freeze-update-tp7598202p7598214.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 11 17:51:32 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:51:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <54DBC39F.9070105@verizon.net> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC39F.9070105@verizon.net> Message-ID: The charger could in theory be redesigned to work with a 12.8-V LiFePo4 pack (4 cells), but there are several disadvantages to this: - AA LiFePo4 cells appear to have a rating of about 600 mA-hours. As a coarse metric, 4 cells at 13 V would provide about 7.7 watt-hours, which is very poor compared to 8 NiMH cells; the NiMH pack rovides roughly 2500 mA hours at 10 V, or 25 watt-hours. There's room for 8 cells, so NiMH makes better use of the existing space. - Even though you'd get 13 V from LiFePo4 cells, and could thus run full power, you'd only be able to operate for a third as much time (roughly). The KX3 can put out as much as 5 W from 10 V, and since this is only 3 dB down from full power, it's probably a better trade off for a weekend of casual operation. Your antenna and propagation will generally outweigh this 3 dB power factor. - Being able to use just about any type of AA cells in a pinch is important for ad-hoc field use of the radio. You can then borrow AA cells from other devices in an emergency. So if you used 4 LiFePo4 cells, you'd want to leave the other socket in place and insert some sort of placeholder cells (easy to lose) or a bypass switch. - LiFePo4 cells are not as readily available. You can get NiMH cells a drug stores, supermarkets, Radio Shacks [before they close], etc. Wayne N6KR On Feb 11, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Jim Wilkie wrote: > Andt, will wait for the experts to answer, but I think the nimh charger vs the lopo charger would be a problem. > > Jim Wilkie WY4R > > > On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: >> Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. >> >> I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. >> >> It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? >> >> Andrew Henshaw >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to santini at verizon.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Feb 11 18:03:52 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:03:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> Message-ID: <54DBDFD8.1070006@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I'd be very concerned about "rapid unplanned disassembly" of the batteries while they were inside the radio. On 2/11/2015 11:18 AM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: > Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Feb 11 18:13:17 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:13:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <54DBDFD8.1070006@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBDFD8.1070006@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54DBE20D.20207@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,2/11/2015 3:03 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > I'd be very concerned about "rapid unplanned disassembly" of the > batteries while they were inside the radio. LiFePO4 cells are far less volatile than Li Ion cells. 73, Jim K9YC From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 18:30:05 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:30:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR Message-ID: IMHO .... There is far too much emphasis put on chasing "perfect" SWR readings. Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world, and most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference. I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing over a reading of 1.7: 1.... (;-) 73 Ken - K0PP From Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu Wed Feb 11 19:21:30 2015 From: Andy.Henshaw at gtri.gatech.edu (Henshaw, Andy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:21:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC39F.9070105@verizon.net> Message-ID: <43133c4703fa454880a412c40d8e1e2c@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> " AA LiFePo4 cells appear to have a rating of about 600 mA-hours." I've noticed this also, which seems odd, as my understanding is that LiFePO4 has (at least) comparable energy density as NiMH. However, I did run across these cells: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Capacity-LITELONG-AA-1200mah-14500-3-2v-lifepo4-Rechargeable-Battery-Consumer-Battery-Free-Shipping-4pcs/816574_1302272496.html which would be better than the NiMH solutions that I've found. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 5:52 PM To: Jim Wilkie Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 The charger could in theory be redesigned to work with a 12.8-V LiFePo4 pack (4 cells), but there are several disadvantages to this: - AA LiFePo4 cells appear to have a rating of about 600 mA-hours. As a coarse metric, 4 cells at 13 V would provide about 7.7 watt-hours, which is very poor compared to 8 NiMH cells; the NiMH pack rovides roughly 2500 mA hours at 10 V, or 25 watt-hours. There's room for 8 cells, so NiMH makes better use of the existing space. - Even though you'd get 13 V from LiFePo4 cells, and could thus run full power, you'd only be able to operate for a third as much time (roughly). The KX3 can put out as much as 5 W from 10 V, and since this is only 3 dB down from full power, it's probably a better trade off for a weekend of casual operation. Your antenna and propagation will generally outweigh this 3 dB power factor. - Being able to use just about any type of AA cells in a pinch is important for ad-hoc field use of the radio. You can then borrow AA cells from other devices in an emergency. So if you used 4 LiFePo4 cells, you'd want to leave the other socket in place and insert some sort of placeholder cells (easy to lose) or a bypass switch. - LiFePo4 cells are not as readily available. You can get NiMH cells a drug stores, supermarkets, Radio Shacks [before they close], etc. Wayne N6KR On Feb 11, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Jim Wilkie wrote: > Andt, will wait for the experts to answer, but I think the nimh charger vs the lopo charger would be a problem. > > Jim Wilkie WY4R > > > On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: >> Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. >> >> I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. >> >> It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? >> >> Andrew Henshaw >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> santini at verizon.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraft at henshaw.us From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Wed Feb 11 20:37:18 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:37:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply Message-ID: <1423705038.333650.226438469.355A994F@webmail.messagingengine.com> I don't have a Kx3 so I can't answer to whether this will work for that unit. But I do get (Elpac Power Systems FW5012 Adapter 12V) for other 12V radios. Its a linear regulated supply. No observable noise on receivers I power with it. Rated at 1.45 Amps Coaxial barrel connector, positive on inside. N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From jim at rhodesend.net Wed Feb 11 20:45:59 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:45:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power supply In-Reply-To: <1423705038.333650.226438469.355A994F@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1423705038.333650.226438469.355A994F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: The one I use is made by an outfit called Ktec rated 14v @ 4amps. Enough to run the rig at full output in keydown modes for as long as needed. Originally made for a CPAP machine I believe. I think I got it fron AllElectronics for around $20. Not a wall wart, has a 2 pin AC power cord jack. On Feb 11, 2015 7:37 PM, "dw" wrote: > I don't have a Kx3 so I can't answer to whether this will work for that > unit. > But I do get (Elpac Power Systems FW5012 Adapter 12V) for other 12V > radios. > Its a linear regulated supply. > No observable noise on receivers I power with it. > Rated at 1.45 Amps > Coaxial barrel connector, positive on inside. > > N1BBR > -- > Bw_dw at fastmail.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 22:03:57 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac Message-ID: As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3 and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively. 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 22:08:28 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:38:28 +0530 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The issue with running with an SWR of 2:1 is that many modern radios have fold back protection circuitry that will introduce non-linearity under such conditions and produce IMD products. For this reason it is usually better to avoid running into such mismatched loads. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 5:00 am, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > IMHO .... > > There is far too much emphasis put on chasing "perfect" SWR readings. > > Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world, and > most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference. > > I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing over > a reading of 1.7: 1.... (;-) > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 11 23:47:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DC3057.4010903@embarqmail.com> Joshua, The native KX3 (no computer required) has 100 memories. See page 17 of the owner's manual for further information. This is not really a save and restore "on the fly" memory, but can almost be used as such. Tunr to the frequency desired and them hold STORE, then rotate the VFO A knob to a desired memory slot and hold STORE again. To get back to the stored memory, Hold RCL, select the memory with VFO A and tap any switch. The memories can also have meaningful text labels. There are also 4 'quick memories' per band that may be useful to you. Again, no need for a computer. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/11/2015 10:03 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like > to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do > this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3 > and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for > something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively. > > From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Feb 12 00:38:01 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW in SSB mode Message-ID: Hi All, I probably missed this somewhere as I don't do SSB all that much. I can do CW in SSB mode, but not when I'm operating split. It works fine if I am not operating split. I do have the menu set for SSB + CW. Am I doing something wrong? Dave W7AQK From norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 03:16:17 2015 From: norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com (Eric Norris) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:16:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 Message-ID: With batteries, it is easy to let the perfect get in the way of the good (as someone once said). With external LiFePO4 batteries, you can use a roll-up solar panel with a Genasun (or other) solar charge controller (with proper output for this chemistry) and use the KX3 at full power. They are bulky but light. I use a LiFePO4 external pack and the internal NiMH as a backup for my little expeditions, and forget about the charger. The advantage of external packs is you can mix and match chargers depending on whether you're in a hotel room, backpacking, or at a local park for the afternoon. Also, the LiFePO4 pack with solar panel and charge controller gets a lot of attention during Field Day, and is a great conversation starter for people "too cool" for radio ("haven't you heard of the internet?"). I'm sure the PX3 will really wow them this year. :-) 73 Eric WD6DBM Jim Wilkie wrote: >Andt, will wait for the experts to answer, but I think the nimh charger >vs the lopo charger would be a problem. > >Jim Wilkie WY4R > > >On 2/11/2015 2:18 PM, Henshaw, Andy wrote: >> Has anyone looked into hacking a replacement battery case for the KX3 that featured LiFePo4 cells? I've seen external LiFePo4 packs being used, but it seems like an internal solution might be workable. With a 13.2V supply (four cells in series), one can run the KX3 in full-power mode. In addition, the discharge curve of LiFePo4 is much better than NiMH. >> >> I'm asking, because I'd like to take my KX3 on some backpacking trips and it just seems wasteful (of space) and slightly awkward (for setup) to have to carry an external battery pack in order to get full-power. >> >> It appears that AA size LiFePo4 cells are available. So, wouldn't it be feasible to arrange them in a 4S2P configuration that could replace the existing battery holder? >> >> Andrew Henshaw >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to santini at verizon.net >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to norrislawfirm2 at gmail.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 04:41:01 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:41:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for the KX3/K3. Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately. http://www.dogparksoftware.com OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less) When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if you want to quickly develop for more than one platform. You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity. That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised thing. So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour. Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life. It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the Macintosh and Windows PC. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould wrote: > > As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like > to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do > this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3 > and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for > something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively. > > > 73, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Feb 12 05:24:05 2015 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 05:24:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW in SSB mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DC7F45.6090605@roadrunner.com> It's normal, Dave. I've been trying to get Elecraft to change this for years. That and the adjustable bandwidth for the APF always seem to fall through the cracks. I finally bought a Autek QF-1A which helps immensely. 73, Roger On 2/12/2015 12:38 AM, dyarnes wrote: > Hi All, > > I probably missed this somewhere as I don't do SSB all that much. I can do CW > in SSB mode, but not when I'm operating split. It works fine if I am not > operating split. I do have the menu set for SSB + CW. Am I doing something > wrong? > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1rj at roadrunner.com > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Feb 12 10:11:53 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:11:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While the K3 will reduce power around a 2:1 SWR to protect the PAs, since we control power with a long hold time via the uC and DSP and not with an analog ALC loop, that will not make TX IMD worse. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > > The issue with running with an SWR of 2:1 is that many modern radios have fold back protection circuitry that will introduce non-linearity under such conditions and produce IMD products. For this reason it is usually better to avoid running into such mismatched loads. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 5:00 am, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >> IMHO .... >> >> There is far too much emphasis put on chasing "perfect" SWR readings. >> >> Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world, and >> most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference. >> >> I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing over >> a reading of 1.7: 1.... (;-) >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From la9nea at online.no Thu Feb 12 10:18:58 2015 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:18:58 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and and Juma TX 500 (rx only 472 khz). Message-ID: <1464743166.24171.1423754338337.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice34.nsc.no> Hello owners of the Elecraft K3 We all know the K3 cant listen on 472 khz, I am working this days to remote operate the K3 with the K3 0 mini, Just asking: I have an Juma TX 500, it have an ''upconverter RX'' IF to 3.500 MHz, if I set the KXV3 to'' test'' and route the TX500 RX signal to Transverter in connector....and TX on 3.472 MHz,,,,hopefully I can listen on 472 khz without do any damage on the KXV3 module??Sound for me the Juma TX500 will work as an RX transverter 472 khz ? 73' Viggo LA9NEA From michaelo at bugnet.net Thu Feb 12 10:54:39 2015 From: michaelo at bugnet.net (Mike Ortlieb) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:54:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Program Functions Message-ID: <170D9AD39DEB472DBB939D833C9BB158@MikeHP> I am a newer K3 owner and would like to configure the K3 to use Heil desk mic on front panel and Yamaha headset on rear panel. Settings would include FP, RP ,H/L, bias on/off, compressor, mic gain. and TE. If anyone has the command set to do this that would be great. Please respond off-line. I am good in QRZ. 73 KN9P From nw8l at whitemesa.com Thu Feb 12 11:16:30 2015 From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Bob NW8L) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:16:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <54DBD940.2010706@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> <6f83f4ca17de477fbc0f5bcebf698a81@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBD940.2010706@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I believe you mean "Bioenno"... I can report that I'm very pleased with their BP-120 10AH power pack ($190) which I use together with its companion solar panel ($99). So far so good, runs my K2 nicely, and I've even used the built-in AC inverter to charge/run a laptop. When running the inverter was a bit noisy on HF but winding a few turns of the laptop's power brick AC cord through a type 31 2.4 inch ferrite core took care of that. A small exhaust fan runs when the inverter is active but it's quiet. All in all a neatly packaged power pack, even the solar charge controller is built in. The 12 VDC output is rated at 5A which is fine for the K2/10. Specs here: http://www.bioennopower.com/products/120-watt-hour-power-pack Bob NW8L > > There's another company called Bionelle selling 20Ah and 30 Ah batteries at > comparable prices. They come with PowerPole to run the radio, and a > concentric jack for the charger. They're in Southern California. I don't > know anything quality of these products, but both companies offer quite > intelligent support by telephone and/or email. > From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Feb 12 11:54:23 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:54:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a request for K3/KX3 support in Chirp. I would start with that code and contribute support. http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248 wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:41 AM, David Anderson wrote: > I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for the KX3/K3. > > Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately. > > http://www.dogparksoftware.com > > OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less) > > When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if you want to quickly develop for more than one platform. > > You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity. > > That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised thing. > > So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour. > > Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life. > > It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the Macintosh and Windows PC. > > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould wrote: >> >> As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would like >> to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to do >> this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the K3 >> and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for >> something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively. >> >> >> 73, >> Joshua Gould >> K8WXA >> EM89pn >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rprather at mac.com Thu Feb 12 11:56:37 2015 From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:56:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago... Don't know what happened. David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc. If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have jumped in and written Mac specific software. Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new software such as JT-Bridge being worked on. Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG. For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC. I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software. Rick K6LE On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:41 AM, David Anderson wrote: > I agree, there is a gap in the market for a Macintosh memory manager for > the KX3/K3. > > Perhaps Don Agro the author of MacLoggerDX at Dog Park Software may > consider adding it to his excellent free MacMemoriesManager program, though > I note he has discontinued it, so probably not unfortunately. > > http://www.dogparksoftware.com > > OFF TOPIC ( stop now if you could care less) > > When I get some time I might look at how difficult it would be to do > something myself. I have used Xojo (formerly REALbasic) to develop cross > platform Macintosh, Windows and sometimes Linux software. I note that the > Elecraft utilities are also written on that same IDE., which makes sense if > you want to quickly develop for more than one platform. > > You generally find that software for amateur radio gets written by > individuals who have some piece of equipment themselves, but find there is > no software to do what they want available on their chosen computer > platform and they end up writing it themselves by necessity. > > That is how I ended up writing software to support Mac HP GPS Control (all > the good names had gone) for the Z3801A time and frequency standard, it was > later expanded to include other variants of the same thing that I did not > have myself (much harder to debug with no hardware to test on). I was > surprised to find there was a small worldwide market for such a specialised > thing. > > So, in order to get someone to write this, you need to find someone that > has a desire to write it for themselves, namely someone with a love of > Macintosh computers and who possesses the KX3 and of course has the spare > time to do it. It is a labour of love, not a commercial endeavour. > > Anyone could do it, I have no formal training in software writing, apart > from a week in FORTRAN with punched cards on a terminal in 1972 when I > never even saw the computer, only the green and white line printer error > messages the next day. Nearly put me off computing for life. > > It wasn't until the era of the personal computer that I became interested, > first with the Acorn Atom when I wrote a Moon Tracking program which has > been modified over the years from an early beginning to run on the > Macintosh and Windows PC. > > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > > > On 12 Feb 2015, at 03:03, Joshua Gould wrote: > > > > As I'm tuning around the bands I keep finding frequencies that I would > like > > to place into memories with tags. I've always found the easiest way to > do > > this was via a computer. I know that there is a memory manager for the > K3 > > and KX3 for Windows, but my VM is kind of squirlly so I'm looking for > > something that can manage the memory in the KX3 natively. > > > > > > 73, > > Joshua Gould > > K8WXA > > EM89pn > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From no9e at arrl.net Thu Feb 12 12:03:03 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:03:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Internal LiFePo4 for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <29576ba1a244479885f0ccf28f57ad0a@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBC990.4040606@embarqmail.com> <6f83f4ca17de477fbc0f5bcebf698a81@APATLISDMAIL02.core.gtri.org> <54DBD940.2010706@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1423760583417-7598234.post@n2.nabble.com> I was thinking about the same in order not to carry the external battery. The only workable way IMHO would be to: 1. Remove the current battery enclosure 2. Fit 4 polymer Li-Ion , e.g., 2.5A like at the bottom. 3. Connect directly to power inputs, perhaps with a resettable fuse 4. Charge with 2A charger to 15.5-16V (16.8V charger with 1-2 diodes). I would not bother fitting LiFePO3 internally as they are bigger and store less power. I did a similar thing with K2, and it toured the world without problems. Great convenience of no extra battery and fast charging. Ignacy, NO9E http://www.batteryspace.com/polymer-li-ion-cell-3-7v-2500-mah-875055-2c-9-25wh-5-0a-rate---un38-3-passed-0-75.aspx -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Internal-LiFePo4-for-KX3-tp7598206p7598234.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Feb 12 12:11:53 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy? Message-ID: Hi, I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now. I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator. Any help appreciated! 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 12 12:13:56 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:13:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DCDF54.4000008@socal.rr.com> Rick, Re "I am of the opinion that the ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc. If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have jumped in and written Mac specific software." I'd not blame the virtual machines too quickly. I run Windows 7 on both my Macs, using Bootcamp (which is provided as part of OS X by Apple). Parallels gave me problems in times past, and with solid-state drives in each machine, rebooting takes little time. If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows, etc. on a Mac. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/12/15 8:56 AM, Rick Prather wrote: > When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported > to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago... > Don't know what happened. > > David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the > ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound > up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for > running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc. > > If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have > jumped in and written Mac specific software. > > Good news is that I see more and more interest in doing that with new > software such as JT-Bridge being worked on. Also, Tom DL2RUM is working on > an update to his RUMlog called RUMlogNG. For the DX'er RUMlog on the Mac > is as close as you can get to DXLabs on the PC. > > I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run > Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software. > > Rick > K6LE From dick at elecraft.com Thu Feb 12 12:18:10 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:18:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c001d046e7$e0362960$a0a27c20$@elecraft.com> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm (look in the KPA500 section) Elecraft part # E980190 "Extra DB15 Y-Cable" There are other vendors. But be sure to get one that connects all 15 pins "straight through". Some Y adapters sold for SVGA use have "alternative" wiring (some pins connected to each other or not connected). 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerry Hull Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:12 AM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy? Hi, I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now. I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator. Any help appreciated! 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 12 12:23:28 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:23:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DCE190.8080207@subich.com> From the archives: Cables and splitters are also available from Cable Wholesale: www.cablewholesale.com and Altex: www.altex.com also look at breakout boards from Winford Engineeering: http://www.winford.com/products/brksd15hd.php and Y cable: http://www.winford.com/products/cdy15hd.php 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-12 12:11 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: > Hi, > > I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now. > > I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin > so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator. > > Any help appreciated! > > 73, > > Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA > AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 12:24:03 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: <54DCDF54.4000008@socal.rr.com> References: <54DCDF54.4000008@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> That move likely saved the Mac, Phil. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for > switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run > Windows, etc. on a Mac. > > 73, Phil W7OX > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 12 12:53:41 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:53:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> References: <54DCDF54.4000008@socal.rr.com> <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DCE8A5.1070203@socal.rr.com> I absolutely agree, for several reasons, Scott. Phil W7OX On 2/12/15 9:24 AM, Scott Manthe wrote: > That move likely saved the Mac, Phil. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) >> it's Apple for switching from Power PC CPUs to >> Intel CPUs, making it possible to run Windows, >> etc. on a Mac. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Feb 12 13:14:52 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:14:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Aux Y Cable for K3... Where to buy? In-Reply-To: <54DCE190.8080207@subich.com> References: <54DCE190.8080207@subich.com> Message-ID: Thanks Guys!! Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373 AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > From the archives: > > Cables and splitters are also available from Cable Wholesale: > www.cablewholesale.com and Altex: www.altex.com > > also look at breakout boards from Winford Engineeering: > http://www.winford.com/products/brksd15hd.php and Y cable: > http://www.winford.com/products/cdy15hd.php > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-12 12:11 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I bought one of these before, but I cannot find the vendor now. >> >> I need to control band decoders as well as get at the TX-Inhibit Pin >> so I can control my Acom 2S1 Commutator. >> >> Any help appreciated! >> >> 73, >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA >> AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM >> >> >> < >> http://www.twitter.com/w1ve> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 13:16:39 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:16:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, More off topic > On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:56, Rick Prather wrote: > > When the Memory Manager first came out it was said that it would be ported to the Mac soon. That was about three years ago... > Don't know what happened. Yes, good point, I suppose it depends what was used for creating the software? It seems to rely on Microsoft stuff, that is probably the reason it isn't easily ported, so would need to be started from scratch. If enough people ask then maybe something would happen. > > David you bring up an interesting topic. I am of the opinion that the ability to run virtual machines (Parallels, Fusion, etc) on the Mac wound up costing us a lot of good Ham software. Too often the answer given for running ham software on the Mac is to run it under Parallels, etc. > Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed. > If that option wasn't there I bet more talented programmers would have jumped in and written Mac specific software. The OSX ham market just wasn't there for a long time. I made my MoonSked software cross platform, OSX, Windows and Linux. I sell 95% Windows users, the Mac is insignificant despite there being no other competing Mac products, yet many free Windows ones. Linux, forget about it, a couple that is all. Even free Mac/Windows software shows similar ratios of users I found. > > I hope we see more in the future. There really are a lot of Hams that run Macs and would like to stay within OS X for their software. Maybe, but unfortunately in many cases hams have already got a Windows PC in the shack and have started to use it, it is then difficult to leave all that, especially since all the new stuff seems to come out on Windows first. What I would like to see if manufacturers of ham gear make sure they produce their software utilities for Mac, Windows and Linux, Elecraft are pretty good at doing this, just the memory manager seems to be missing. As things seem to be running in browsers more and more, there is hope for more universal software. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 13:30:56 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18A3099F-A295-4E6C-94F2-7118B4610659@yahoo.co.uk> Wunder, Unfortunately that I code is in a completely different language/environment to that I know and use so I personally could not help. However it is surprising that code supports so many manufacturers -apart- from Elecraft, but I suppose again it is down to the numbers, like the ratio of Windows/Macintosh there must be Japan/USA ham radio sales ratios. Mac Ham software mostly materialises because an individual has to do it for himself as the commercial world has ignored it. Despite the Macintosh making a better showing than in recent years, most of the effort by developers is in the iOS and Android market, again down to the numbers. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 16:54, Walter Underwood wrote: > > There is a request for K3/KX3 support in Chirp. I would start with that code and contribute support. > > http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248 > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 12 13:33:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> References: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2057526764.2368135.1423766001894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows. You write for the largest market. Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her. Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop. From: Scott Manthe To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac That move likely saved the Mac, Phil. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for > switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run > Windows, etc. on a Mac. > > 73, Phil W7OX > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 14:08:36 2015 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:08:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] test Message-ID: testing From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 12 14:13:11 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:13:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DCFB47.3010403@socal.rr.com> On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote: > Actually although all my testing of Windows > stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually > like using it very much. I always used a real PC > in the shack for things that I couldn't run on > my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that > has changed. Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs are really a plus, then. Phil W7OX From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 14:14:52 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:14:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00aa01d046f8$2e1a8cb0$8a4fa610$@gmail.com> Congratulations, Shel! You passed! Hope this helps. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Shel Sherman Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 2:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] test testing ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From phystad at mac.com Thu Feb 12 14:46:13 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:46:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: <2057526764.2368135.1423766001894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> <2057526764.2368135.1423766001894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the KX3 and K3 for Mac. My motivation is to do something new in Swift. Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much nicer to use my own software that I write for the Mac. I have several different applications but only one useful for ham radio which is my own logging database application. Often I don't find much reason to write software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the utilities needed for the Elecraft rigs. However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit. Unfortunately, another two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else will beat me to the punch. But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer. 73, phil, K7PEH Retired from 46 years as professional programmer. > On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows. > You write for the largest market. > > Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her. > Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop. > > > > > > From: Scott Manthe > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac > > That move likely saved the Mac, Phil. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > > > On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for >> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run >> Windows, etc. on a Mac. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 14:56:52 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:56:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <54DCE1B3.3010804@gmail.com> <2057526764.2368135.1423766001894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62D290AB-9F74-4DE4-9227-B56234D9CBC0@yahoo.co.uk> Good on you Phil. It is always nicer to write and use your own software IMO too. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 19:46, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I have half a mind (only half) to write a memory management program for the KX3 and K3 for Mac. My motivation is to do something new in Swift. > > Although I have MacLoggerDX, I don't use it anymore since I found it much nicer to use my own > software that I write for the Mac. I have several different applications but only one useful for > ham radio which is my own logging database application. Often I don't find much reason to write > software for my ham radio rigs because I rarely use it except for the utilities needed for the > Elecraft rigs. > > However, I do think a memory management utility would have merit. Unfortunately, another > two projects are in the front of the line right now so likely someone else will beat me to the > punch. But, if not, maybe I will have some time this summer. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > Retired from 46 years as professional programmer. > > >> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> >> From a programming perspective If I were write a program it would be for Windows. >> You write for the largest market. >> >> Years ago (in the DOS days) I considered getting Mac for my mother since it was easier to use.Once windows came along (and it became stable) the choice changed to going to Windows for her. >> Personally I like Linux, but since I work on this stuff all day, when I go home at night I just wantto be a user like everyone else (and turn it on and it works) so even I run windows on my desktop. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Scott Manthe >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 12:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac >> >> That move likely saved the Mac, Phil. >> >> 73, >> Scott, N9AA >> >> >> >>> On 2/12/15 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> >>> If anyone is to blame (is that the right word?) it's Apple for >>> switching from Power PC CPUs to Intel CPUs, making it possible to run >>> Windows, etc. on a Mac. >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:11:44 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:11:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode Message-ID: <57164115-FA55-4BC0-8492-7FF42906570D@yahoo.co.uk> We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are stuck forever displaying SWR RF. I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:13:18 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:13:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode In-Reply-To: <57164115-FA55-4BC0-8492-7FF42906570D@yahoo.co.uk> References: <57164115-FA55-4BC0-8492-7FF42906570D@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson wrote: > > We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are stuck forever displaying SWR RF. > > I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:21:00 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:21:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bug or feature KX3 stuck in CMP ALC meter display mode -aha! In-Reply-To: References: <57164115-FA55-4BC0-8492-7FF42906570D@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <5B194491-15D9-47E0-80E5-AAF02A6E708C@yahoo.co.uk> Found this... * CW-IN-SSB TRANSMIT ADDED: This feature allows you to send CW while in SSB mode, which can be useful when your SSB signal cannot be copied due to poor conditions. The other station will hear a tone at your CW pitch. To enable CW-in-SSB: Locate the CW WGHT menu entry, then tap ?1? (PRE) to alternate between ?SSW +CW? (enabled) and ?SSB ?CW? (disabled). The default is disabled. Important Notes: (1) CW-in-SSB does not yet apply in SPLIT mode. (2) When CW-in-SSB is enabled, tapping the KEYER/MIC knob toggles between keyer speed and mic gain rather than between the two transmit metering scales (CMP/ALC and SWR/RF). The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily whenever CMP or mic gain are adjusted. So that is what was causing it. DATA mode allows you to toggle it to one or the other so when you go back to SSB. Useful to know. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:13, David Anderson wrote: > > Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson wrote: >> >> We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are stuck forever displaying SWR RF. >> >> I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion. >> >> 73 >> >> David Anderson GM4JJJ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From karlerb7 at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 15:25:05 2015 From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:25:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: <54DCFB47.3010403@socal.rr.com> References: <54DCFB47.3010403@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <09ACA6C6-BB59-44CD-8EE5-F0D46B53DDD5@gmail.com> Thanks for the tip. Will give it a try. Have you made the switch to Yosemite? Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP partition? Karl W3BF > On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > >> On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote: >> Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed. > Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs are really a plus, then. > > Phil W7OX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to karlerb7 at gmail.com From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Thu Feb 12 15:44:43 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:44:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR In-Reply-To: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1423543903603-7598124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1423773883148-7598254.post@n2.nabble.com> Also found out today after I made up a 35" RG58 cable the SWR went back up to 1.8-1. 35" RG8X 1.5-1. KX3 definitely particular in this case. Crazy! 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-SWR-tp7598124p7598254.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 15:44:13 2015 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: <09ACA6C6-BB59-44CD-8EE5-F0D46B53DDD5@gmail.com> References: <54DCFB47.3010403@socal.rr.com> <09ACA6C6-BB59-44CD-8EE5-F0D46B53DDD5@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a > windows XP partition? This is how I run in my shack (about 2.5 years) ...Ubuntu 12.04 LTS + VMWare Player v6 running Windows XP. In the Windows VM, I have HRD, WSJT-X, N1MM, Fldigi, KX3 Memory program, etc. I do try to use Linux as often as I can (i.e., FLDigi, KX3 Utility program). I need a more recent Ubuntu (14.04 LTS) to get WSJT-X to work or figure out the dependency mismatch to run the most recent version on the older Ubuntu. I have a dual monitor set-up and run the Windows VM on one monitor and the Ubuntu desktop on the other. I do all web browsing in Ubuntu, never Windows XP. Love Linux/Ubuntu and have been using it for Work, Ham, etc. Only drop down to Windows when I must. I actively am trying to find ways to move everything to Linux. So grateful for FLDigi as it is multi-platform; learn once, run everywhere. regards, Brian VE3IBW From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 16:48:55 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:48:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog thinking about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > While the K3 will reduce power around a 2:1 SWR to protect the PAs, since > we control power with a long hold time via the uC and DSP and not with an > analog ALC loop, that will not make TX IMD worse. > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > > On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > > > > The issue with running with an SWR of 2:1 is that many modern radios > have fold back protection circuitry that will introduce non-linearity under > such conditions and produce IMD products. For this reason it is usually > better to avoid running into such mismatched loads. > > > > 73, > > Matt VK2RQ > > > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 5:00 am, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> > >> IMHO .... > >> > >> There is far too much emphasis put on chasing "perfect" SWR readings. > >> > >> Except in rare instances SWR's of 2:1 or less are OK in the real world, > and > >> most would be hard-pressed to tell any difference. > >> > >> I have a friend who recently spent several days fretting and climbing > over > >> a reading of 1.7: 1.... (;-) > >> > >> 73 > >> > >> Ken - K0PP > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 12 16:51:35 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:51:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Memory Management for the KX3 on the Mac (OT) In-Reply-To: <09ACA6C6-BB59-44CD-8EE5-F0D46B53DDD5@gmail.com> References: <54DCFB47.3010403@socal.rr.com> <09ACA6C6-BB59-44CD-8EE5-F0D46B53DDD5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DD2067.2080305@socal.rr.com> Yes on Yosemite; no problems. I run the latest Ubuntu as dual boot on my Win 8.1 laptop in the shack; no WinXP computers any more here. Phil W7OX On 2/12/15 12:25 PM, KarlErb wrote: > Thanks for the tip. Will give it a try. Have you made the switch to Yosemite? > > Has anyone had good luck running ham software on Linux in a windows XP partition? > > Karl > W3BF > > >> On Feb 12, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> >>> On 2/12/15 10:16 AM, David Anderson wrote: >>> Actually although all my testing of Windows stuff is done in Parallels, I don't actually like using it very much. I always used a real PC in the shack for things that I couldn't run on my Macintosh at the time, like WSJT. Though that has changed. >> Using Bootcamp to run Windows will give you a happier view of your Mac running Windows. SSDs are really a plus, then. >> >> Phil W7OX From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 18:58:39 2015 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:58:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NAP3 glitch Message-ID: My configuration is a K3 to an LP-PAN converter followed by an EMU-0204 sound card.From there the digitized baseband digitized signals are sent to my Win 7 PC and then to the NAP3 display program (WHEW!) my problem is with the cursor for the sub-receiver on the display. I need to contact someone who has a similar configuration to see if they are experiencing the same problem. I would really appreciate a contact from anyone who has this configuration to contact me. Shel Sherman WO0C shelsherm at gmail.com 314-878-3566 From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 21:40:03 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3 Message-ID: If I have a station tuned on VFO A and I want to use VFO B to monitor another frequency, how do I listen to the audio side of the VFO B? I've tried truning on dual rx and messed with the AFX menu and have noticed no audio from VFO B. Is there something that I'm missing or am I trying to make the radio do something that it can't do? 73, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn From wes at triconet.org Thu Feb 12 21:58:39 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:58:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: References: < C712E807-3CF5-41C9-9922-02DF72F6D423@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> It's still an analog PA. On 2/12/2015 2:48 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog thinking > about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 12 21:59:50 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:59:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 12, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > If I have a station tuned on VFO A and I want to use VFO B to monitor > another frequency, how do I listen to the audio side of the VFO B? I've > tried truning on dual rx and messed with the AFX menu and have noticed no > audio from VFO B. Is there something that I'm missing or am I trying to > make the radio do something that it can't do? Hi Joshua, Both DUAL RX and the KX3's audio effects (like simulated stereo, and pitch mapping) require the use of the headphone jack, i.e. either stereo headphones or dual external speakers. The other requirement is that VFO A and B not be separated by more than +/- 15 kHz. If DUAL RX is turned on but the SUB icon is flashing, it means the above requirements are not currently being met. 73, Wayne N6KR From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 12 22:59:24 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> References: < C712E807-3CF5-41C9-9922-02DF72F6D423@elecraft.com> <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54DD769C.3060501@embarqmail.com> Wes, That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is different than that implemented in transceiver that use analog open loop ALC and SWR power reduction. The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC differently than other transceivers. You may find similar systems in commercial transceivers, but I don't think the same methods are employed in any other amateur transceiver. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/12/2015 9:58 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > It's still an analog PA. > > > > On 2/12/2015 2:48 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> Yup, folks (including me on a given day) still stuck with analog >> thinking >> about what is really a digital radio. Hard thing to unlearn. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV From wes at triconet.org Thu Feb 12 23:05:45 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:05:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: <54DD769C.3060501@embarqmail.com> References: < C712E807-3CF5-41C9-9922-02DF72F6D423@elecraft.com> <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> <54DD769C.3060501@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DD7819.7070407@triconet.org> I realize all of that. But it's still an analog PA. What is an analog open loop ALC? On 2/12/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is different than > that implemented in transceiver that use analog open loop ALC and SWR power > reduction. The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC differently than other > transceivers. You may find similar systems in commercial transceivers, but I > don't think the same methods are employed in any other amateur transceiver. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Thu Feb 12 23:36:15 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:36:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423802175406-7598264.post@n2.nabble.com> I believe it is supposed to do dual receive, but you have to use stereo headphones. VFO A in one ear, VFO B in the other. I have not done it and I think something has to be enabled in the menu. I think I remember reading it in the manual. ??? 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-question-about-the-KX3-tp7598259p7598264.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Thu Feb 12 23:39:19 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:39:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Another question about the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1423802359354-7598265.post@n2.nabble.com> Guess I spoke out of line, didn't see the other post until until I sent mine on its way. Sorry Wayne. 73, Bill,WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Another-question-about-the-KX3-tp7598259p7598265.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From don at w3fpr.com Thu Feb 12 23:59:43 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 23:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: <54DD7819.7070407@triconet.org> References: < C712E807-3CF5-41C9-9922-02DF72F6D423@elecraft.com> <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> <54DD769C.3060501@embarqmail.com> <54DD7819.7070407@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54DD84BF.5070606@w3fpr.com> Wes, An analog open loop ALC is one in which the drive is reduced in response to an overload condition (high SWR, power level that exceeds the maximum set level). The response is applied only after the offending condition occurs - that is an open loop system. With the K3, KX3 and K2 power control system being a closed loop system, that condition does not exist. The overshoot possibility is detected early and the power is reduced accordingly without PA overshoot and the PA going into a distortion region. If you have any understanding about closed loop control systems, you will then understand 'damping' conditions. Underdamped systems will oscillate near the 'set point' while overdamped systems will never come up to the set point. Critically damped systems will quickly settle to the set point and maintain the proper condition (power level, temperature, you 'name it' condition). In the case in point, the power level is the 'set point' that is considered. An open loop system is totally undamped and will only respond 'after the fact' to conditions that exceed certain thresholds. Closed loop systems approach those thresholds with actions that will result in critical damping of the response mechanism. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/12/2015 11:05 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I realize all of that. But it's still an analog PA. What is an > analog open loop ALC? > > On 2/12/2015 8:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Wes, >> >> That is true, but the control of the drive to that analog PA is >> different than that implemented in transceiver that use analog open >> loop ALC and SWR power reduction. The K3 (and K2 and KX3) do ALC >> differently than other transceivers. You may find similar systems in >> commercial transceivers, but I don't think the same methods are >> employed in any other amateur transceiver. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 01:07:45 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:07:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <47919509-C3EA-41C4-A2FF-7AB63AAB3872@elecraft.com> References: <54DC069A.2040903@elecraft.com> <47919509-C3EA-41C4-A2FF-7AB63AAB3872@elecraft.com> Message-ID: The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts * * * NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers must be of the same type. * * * KSYN3A FEATURES: * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. * 600-METER COVERAGE The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. * * * 73, Wayne N6KR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 06:33:08 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2005473548.99583.1423827188894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Wayne Wow....a major upgrade,?my two cents... "a?must have", TX phase noise is the most annoying side effect in ham bands today, major advantage in SO2R's configs. Wayne a quick question, are in stock? Waiting times? Some preliminary measurements eventually some side-by-side numbers? Tnxvy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts * * * NOTE:? If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers must be of the same type. * * * KSYN3A FEATURES: * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. * 600-METER COVERAGE The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. * * * 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com From pa3a at xs4all.nl Fri Feb 13 06:33:38 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:33:38 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: <54DC069A.2040903@elecraft.com> <47919509-C3EA-41C4-A2FF-7AB63AAB3872@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DDE112.8090401@xs4all.nl> Wayne, That sounds interesting. Before investing in two modules I'd like to know how much the dynamic range will change. Could you share some relevant measurements? 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 13-2-2015 om 7:07: > > * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE > > The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. > > > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > From w2up at comcast.net Fri Feb 13 07:52:59 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 05:52:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DDE112.8090401@xs4all.nl> References: <54DDE112.8090401@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1423831979261-7598270.post@n2.nabble.com> Wat is involved, technically in performing the upgrade - is it simply swapping out a board? Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upgraded-K3-synthesizer-module-now-available-The-KSYN3A-tp7598267p7598270.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2ttt at optonline.net Fri Feb 13 08:06:05 2015 From: k2ttt at optonline.net (k2ttt) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:06:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A Message-ID: Is it worth the $400 bucks? K2TTT Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Barry Date:02/13/2015 7:52 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A Wat is involved, technically in performing the upgrade - is it simply swapping out a board? Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upgraded-K3-synthesizer-module-now-available-The-KSYN3A-tp7598267p7598270.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2ttt at optonline.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 08:17:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have waited From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts * * * NOTE:? If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers must be of the same type. * * * KSYN3A FEATURES: * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. * 600-METER COVERAGE The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. * * * 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From nf4l at comcast.net Fri Feb 13 08:24:55 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:24:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <1423831979261-7598270.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <54DDE112.8090401@xs4all.nl> <1423831979261-7598270.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Barry - From Wayne's post... See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts 773, Mike NF4L > On Feb 13, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Barry wrote: > > Wat is involved, technically in performing the upgrade - is it simply > swapping out a board? > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Upgraded-K3-synthesizer-module-now-available-The-KSYN3A-tp7598267p7598270.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 08:34:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1442803377.2629173.1423834461244.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> What makes this desirable to me (If I'm reading this right) is the ability to be able to receive down to 100KHz. I've been working on designing a RX (and possible TX) converter so this is very desirable to me. From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts From davidahrendts at me.com Fri Feb 13 08:49:30 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 05:49:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] #WorldRadioDay Message-ID: <2B4A0EA9-985B-444F-B663-2847E98551F5@me.com> If ya Twitter, it is this very day: World Radio Day. Put a pix of your ELECRAFT rig on Twitter, hash tag WorldRadioDay. David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From wes at triconet.org Fri Feb 13 09:22:00 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:22:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR In-Reply-To: <54DD84BF.5070606@w3fpr.com> References: < C712E807-3CF5-41C9-9922-02DF72F6D423@elecraft.com> <54DD685F.2010700@triconet.org> <54DD769C.3060501@embarqmail.com> <54DD7819.7070407@triconet.org> <54DD84BF.5070606@w3fpr.com> Message-ID: <54DE0888.4060604@triconet.org> I guess it's semantics. If an undesired output event causes a corrective action to be taken in a previous stage isn't this a closed loop? I believe it is, even if it's a "man-in-the-loop" system, i.e. I see on the oscilloscope that I'm flat topping so I turn the audio gain down to correct it. On 2/12/2015 9:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > An analog open loop ALC is one in which the drive is reduced in response to an > overload condition (high SWR, power level that exceeds the maximum set > level). The response is applied only after the offending condition occurs - > that is an open loop system. > With the K3, KX3 and K2 power control system being a closed loop system, that > condition does not exist. The overshoot possibility is detected early and the > power is reduced accordingly without PA overshoot and the PA going into a > distortion region. > > If you have any understanding about closed loop control systems, you will then > understand 'damping' conditions. Underdamped systems will oscillate near the > 'set point' while overdamped systems will never come up to the set point. > Critically damped systems will quickly settle to the set point and maintain > the proper condition (power level, temperature, you 'name it' condition). In > the case in point, the power level is the 'set point' that is considered. An > open loop system is totally undamped and will only respond 'after the fact' to > conditions that exceed certain thresholds. Closed loop systems approach those > thresholds with actions that will result in critical damping of the response > mechanism. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From terry.hart at btinternet.com Fri Feb 13 09:39:25 2015 From: terry.hart at btinternet.com (Terry Hart) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:39:25 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> ---and I just received my K3 kit serial number 8795. I had no idea this was coming up! The extended receiver tuning down to 100KHz sounds interesting....what are the front-end filtering arrangements for that, I wonder? And it would be interesting to see some comparative close-in phase noise plots. Terry G3VFO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Wayne Burdick" ; "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A > Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have waited > > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The > KSYN3A > > The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that > improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or > after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number > 8801 and later). > > See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be > found here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > > * * * > > NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), > you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both > receivers must be of the same type. > > * * * > > KSYN3A FEATURES: > > * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING > > A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive > switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external > keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. > > * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE > > The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and > transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in > turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even > better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In > transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further > enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and > DXpeditions. > > * 600-METER COVERAGE > > The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. > VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off > below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm > at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for > use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by > country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For > receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the > KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the > XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) > > * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY > > The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic > coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change > in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires > no alignment of any kind. > > * * * > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to terry.hart at btinternet.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 13 09:41:55 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 05:41:55 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A Message-ID: <201502131441.t1DEfteo084439@huffman.acsalaska.net> The extension of operation to 100-KHz is a terrific addition for those of us using the 600m band. FCC approval for experimental licensed stations on 472-478 KHz has seen a major move of activity to this new sub-band which left users of the K3 out (the old lower limit of 490-KHz). I will have to save up as I have the KRX3, so the cost is double. Also will be interesting to see if the lower phase noise will improve weak-signal detection threshold on digital modes (e.g. JT65). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri Feb 13 09:42:45 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340341749.2219377.1423838565592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Wayne, It is good to see improvement in RX phase noise which will affect the reciprocal noise mixing. Could you put the improvement in layman terms? ?For example, in the original KSYN3, a weak CW signal could be heard 10Khz away from a S9+60db signal, under the new KSYN3A, what improvement can I expect? ?Will it be now heard 1Khz away from the S9+60db signal? It would be better for you to give examples in this way so that for a non-radio profession like me, can understand the improvements. 73 Johnny VR2XMC? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ????? 2015?02?13? (??) 2:07 PM ??? [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts * * * NOTE:? If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers must be of the same type. * * * KSYN3A FEATURES: * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. * 600-METER COVERAGE The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. * * * 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 09:49:52 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> References: <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> Message-ID: <162963275.2645368.1423838992708.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have the KBPF3 in both my Mani and Sub Receivers so I'm hoping they will go down to 100KHz I also wish I had known about this because it's something I've wanted for a long time (to be able to Receive LF) From: Terry Hart To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A ---and I just received my K3 kit serial number 8795. I had no idea this was coming up! The extended receiver tuning down to 100KHz sounds interesting....what are the front-end filtering arrangements for that, I wonder? And it would be interesting to see some comparative close-in phase noise plots. Terry G3VFO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Wayne Burdick" ; "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A > Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have waited > > > >? ? ? From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The > KSYN3A > > The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that > improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or > after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number > 8801 and later). > > See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be > found here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > > * * * > > NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), > you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both > receivers must be of the same type. > > * * * > > KSYN3A FEATURES: > > * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING > > A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive > switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external > keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. > > * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE > > The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and > transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in > turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even > better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In > transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further > enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and > DXpeditions. > > * 600-METER COVERAGE > > The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. > VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off > below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm > at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for > use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by > country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For > receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the > KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the > XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) > > * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY > > The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic > coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change > in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires > no alignment of any kind. > > * * * > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to terry.hart at btinternet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Fri Feb 13 09:55:43 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:55:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] #WorldRadioDay In-Reply-To: <2B4A0EA9-985B-444F-B663-2847E98551F5@me.com> References: <2B4A0EA9-985B-444F-B663-2847E98551F5@me.com> Message-ID: <003001d0479d$25007950$6f016bf0$@gamewood.net> I did. Then I looked at the other posts and quickly deleted mine. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ahrendts Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 8:50 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] #WorldRadioDay If ya Twitter, it is this very day: World Radio Day. Put a pix of your ELECRAFT rig on Twitter, hash tag WorldRadioDay. David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 09:56:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <1340341749.2219377.1423838565592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1340341749.2219377.1423838565592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <783140014.4363207.1423839389640.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> so no more phase noise limitation in DR and IMD?...that's gonna be fun, coz now there is a lot of buzz with new 7850 super low noise LO, so?200 bucks update?K3 is gonna stay shoulder to shoulder with a 10k limited quantity radio...so here is my bet...won't wait for test results and gonna order 2day... vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: Johnny Siu To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:42 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A Hello Wayne, It is good to see improvement in RX phase noise which will affect the reciprocal noise mixing. Could you put the improvement in layman terms? ?For example, in the original KSYN3, a weak CW signal could be heard 10Khz away from a S9+60db signal, under the new KSYN3A, what improvement can I expect? ?Will it be now heard 1Khz away from the S9+60db signal? It would be better for you to give examples in this way so that for a non-radio profession like me, can understand the improvements. 73 Johnny VR2XMC? ? ? ? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? Elecraft Reflector ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ????? 2015?02?13? (??) 2:07 PM ??? [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A ? The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number 8801 and later). See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be found here: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts * * * NOTE:? If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both receivers must be of the same type. * * * KSYN3A FEATURES: * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and DXpeditions. * 600-METER COVERAGE The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. * * * 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com From bob at thelochers.net Fri Feb 13 10:09:41 2015 From: bob at thelochers.net (Bob Locher) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:09:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer Message-ID: <54DE13B5.8020405@thelochers.net> Wayne - thanks - news of the new K3 Synthesizer is very exciting! And I will be very interested in the Sherwood testing of the K3 with the new board. Question: how hard is it to install it in the K3? And how hard to install in the sub receiver? You say a K3 with Sub-receiver needs both to have the new board. Is this only so that dual diversity reception capability is retained? Do both receivers need the new synthesizers if the user does not use dual-diversity? Anyhow, it is a wonderful thing that Elecraft is offering such an improvement for units in the field. I am aware of no other transceiver supplier offering a major upgrade for units already in the field. Elecraft's willingness to do this and its loyalty to its customers is unmatched! What a wonderful gift for us K-3 owners! Cheers/73 Bob Locher W9KNI From n9bx73 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 11:15:25 2015 From: n9bx73 at gmail.com (Bruce Osterberg) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered Message-ID: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> Good Morning: Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I ordered two of the KSYN3A Modules. I am ready to give them a try in both the main and sub-receiver of my K3. looks like a fantastic upgrade! Bruce N9BX 73 From turnbull at net1.ie Fri Feb 13 12:03:51 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:03:51 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> Message-ID: <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> Dear OMs, I will follow this thread for a while. It would be nice to know more about the performance enhancement as Johnny Siu has stated. What I am really chuffed about is that Wayne, Eric and company are enhancing a radio which has been on the market perhaps seven years now. Oh I like the modular design and construction and I love the company. The K3 is not being made obsolete but it is being updated right back to SN 1 - My friend Brendan Minish, EI6IZ can update SN 42 and no doubt he will. I will be contacting Brendan to see what he thinks. Good going guys, my loyalty is rewarded yet attain. If I can be jingoistic it is nice to see an American company performing in this manner. The edge is not lost. Great to see the engineering continue to evolve the K3 - thank you. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Hart Sent: 13 February 2015 14:39 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: TheKSYN3A ---and I just received my K3 kit serial number 8795. I had no idea this was coming up! The extended receiver tuning down to 100KHz sounds interesting....what are the front-end filtering arrangements for that, I wonder? And it would be interesting to see some comparative close-in phase noise plots. Terry G3VFO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Wayne Burdick" ; "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A > Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have waited > > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The > KSYN3A > > The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that > improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or > after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number > 8801 and later). > > See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be > found here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > > * * * > > NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), > you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both > receivers must be of the same type. > > * * * > > KSYN3A FEATURES: > > * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING > > A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive > switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external > keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. > > * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE > > The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and > transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in > turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even > better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In > transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further > enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and > DXpeditions. > > * 600-METER COVERAGE > > The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. > VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off > below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm > at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for > use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by > country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For > receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the > KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the > XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) > > * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY > > The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic > coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change > in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires > no alignment of any kind. > > * * * > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to terry.hart at btinternet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 11:32:23 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1651341270.220194.1423845143961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> same here 2xKSYN3A?...gonne be shipped on Tue coz Monday is long weekend?vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: Bruce Osterberg To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:15 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered Good Morning: Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I ordered two of the KSYN3A Modules.? I am ready to give them a try in both the main and sub-receiver of my K3.? looks like a fantastic upgrade! Bruce N9BX 73 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 12:08:51 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:08:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DE2FA3.4020604@socal.rr.com> Same here, though I only need one. I do wonder if I'll notice the difference -- but keeping my K3 at its best is a priority, so .... . Phil W7OX On 2/13/15 8:15 AM, Bruce Osterberg wrote: > Good Morning: > > Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I > ordered two of the KSYN3A Modules. I am ready > to give them a try in both the main and > sub-receiver of my K3. looks like a fantastic > upgrade! > > Bruce N9BX 73 From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Feb 13 12:28:54 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: <1651341270.220194.1423845143961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com>, <1651341270.220194.1423845143961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE3456.10058.30E0EAF@Gary.ka1j.com> Me three, Just ordered two KSYN3A and a 2nd AM filter for diversity while SWLing Broadcast stations and eventually operation on 600M. Now to find an appropriate schematic & writeup on making a worthy amp for 600M that will utilize the 1.0 mW that the k3 will generate on that frequency. It's my thinking (like probably many here) that with my fully loaded (except for the 2M module) K3, I have a top of the line radio that I have invested much in already and I want it to stay this way. One of the things I love about Elecraft is they keep raising the bar and allowing the older K3 radios to be be brought up to 100% of the current specs. About it a year ago I sent mine in for all the available upgrades and updates. With all I have invested, it is to me, a no-brainer to keep this rig as cutting edge as possible (It's to my benefit, right?) AND... to help support the Elecraft industry. I don't want to see Elecraft do anything but make a profit for many reasons but among them, again, it's to my benefit, right? 73, Gary KA1J > same here 2xKSYN3A?...gonne be shipped on Tue coz Monday is long weekend?vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel > From: Bruce Osterberg > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:15 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered > > Good Morning: > > Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I ordered two of the KSYN3A > Modules.? I am ready to give them a try in both the main and > sub-receiver of my K3.? looks like a fantastic upgrade! > > Bruce N9BX 73 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 12:32:06 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:32:06 -0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: <54DE2FA3.4020604@socal.rr.com> References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> <54DE2FA3.4020604@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: where?s the link of the KSYN3A? thanks, Jorge 2015-02-13 15:08 GMT-02:00 Phil Wheeler : > Same here, though I only need one. I do wonder if I'll notice the > difference -- but keeping my K3 at its best is a priority, so .... . > > Phil W7OX > > > On 2/13/15 8:15 AM, Bruce Osterberg wrote: > >> Good Morning: >> >> Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I ordered two of the KSYN3A >> Modules. I am ready to give them a try in both the main and sub-receiver >> of my K3. looks like a fantastic upgrade! >> >> Bruce N9BX 73 >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 12:39:19 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:39:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: <54DE3456.10058.30E0EAF@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com>, <1651341270.220194.1423845143961.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE3456.10058.30E0EAF@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54DE36C7.40301@socal.rr.com> Yes, Gary, Right! :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/13/15 9:28 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > Me three, Just ordered two KSYN3A and a 2nd AM filter for diversity > while SWLing Broadcast stations and eventually operation on 600M. Now > to find an appropriate schematic & writeup on making a worthy amp for > 600M that will utilize the 1.0 mW that the k3 will generate on that > frequency. > > It's my thinking (like probably many here) that with my fully loaded > (except for the 2M module) K3, I have a top of the line radio that I > have invested much in already and I want it to stay this way. One of > the things I love about Elecraft is they keep raising the bar and > allowing the older K3 radios to be be brought up to 100% of the > current specs. About it a year ago I sent mine in for all the > available upgrades and updates. With all I have invested, it is to > me, a no-brainer to keep this rig as cutting edge as possible (It's > to my benefit, right?) AND... to help support the Elecraft industry. > I don't want to see Elecraft do anything but make a profit for many > reasons but among them, again, it's to my benefit, right? > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 12:40:10 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:40:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A Synthesizer Module Ordered In-Reply-To: References: <54DE231D.70805@gmail.com> <54DE2FA3.4020604@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54DE36FA.9000202@socal.rr.com> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts On 2/13/15 9:32 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > where?s the link of the KSYN3A? > > thanks, > Jorge > > 2015-02-13 15:08 GMT-02:00 Phil Wheeler : > >> Same here, though I only need one. I do wonder if I'll notice the >> difference -- but keeping my K3 at its best is a priority, so .... . >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> >> On 2/13/15 8:15 AM, Bruce Osterberg wrote: >> >>> Good Morning: >>> >>> Well Elecraft opened 14 minutes ago and I ordered two of the KSYN3A >>> Modules. I am ready to give them a try in both the main and sub-receiver >>> of my K3. looks like a fantastic upgrade! >>> >>> Bruce N9BX 73 >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com >> > > From k9fd at flex.com Fri Feb 13 12:47:52 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:47:52 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> Message-ID: <54DE38C8.7090406@flex.com> I hope some side by side specs show up, like I mentioned to upgrade for me would be 800 bucks, 2 radios, not going to do that without some solid proof of what I am getting, no complaints at all, just like to see what I should expect. How about a new mixer board? Present one can be improved quite a bit with some newer 50- cent chips like the FSA3157. with better specs than the I7SWX mods and much less complicated, Still some room to improve the K3, so thanks Elecraft for working to keep it up to date. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Dear OMs, > I will follow this thread for a while. It would be nice to know more > about the performance enhancement as Johnny Siu has stated. > > What I am really chuffed about is that Wayne, Eric and company are > enhancing a radio which has been on the market perhaps seven years now. > Oh I like the modular design and construction and I love the company. > > The K3 is not being made obsolete but it is being updated right back to > SN 1 - My friend Brendan Minish, EI6IZ can update SN 42 and no doubt he > will. I will be contacting Brendan to see what he thinks. > > Good going guys, my loyalty is rewarded yet attain. If I can be > jingoistic it is nice to see an American company performing in this manner. > The edge is not lost. Great to see the engineering continue to evolve the > K3 - thank you. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry > Hart > Sent: 13 February 2015 14:39 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: > TheKSYN3A > > ---and I just received my K3 kit serial number 8795. I had no idea this was > coming up! > The extended receiver tuning down to 100KHz sounds > interesting....what are the front-end filtering arrangements for that, I > wonder? And it would be interesting to see some comparative close-in phase > noise plots. > > Terry G3VFO > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" > To: "Wayne Burdick" ; "Elecraft Reflector" > ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The > KSYN3A > > >> Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have waited >> >> >> >> From: Wayne Burdick >> To: Elecraft Reflector ; >> "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM >> Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The >> KSYN3A >> >> The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design that >> improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped on or >> after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer (serial number >> 8801 and later). >> >> See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be >> found here: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts >> >> * * * >> >> NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver (KRX3), >> you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for both >> receivers must be of the same type. >> >> * * * >> >> KSYN3A FEATURES: >> >> * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING >> >> A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive >> switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and external >> keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. >> >> * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE >> >> The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive and >> transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. This, in >> turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, yielding even >> better weak signal detection in the presence of strong signals. In >> transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally clean, further >> enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, Field Day and >> DXpeditions. >> >> * 600-METER COVERAGE >> >> The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. >> VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling off >> below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 dBm >> at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is available for >> use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m allocations vary by >> country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 and KXV3 options. For >> receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to the RX ANT IN jack on the >> KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use the >> XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) >> >> * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY >> >> The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic >> coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no change >> in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the KSYN3A requires >> no alignment of any kind. >> >> * * * >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to terry.hart at btinternet.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From krenner1095 at msn.com Fri Feb 13 13:05:39 2015 From: krenner1095 at msn.com (KURT RENNER) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:05:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: Test ----- Original Message ----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net To: krenner1095 at msn.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 9:57 AM Subject: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net mailing list reminder You, or someone posing as you, has requested a password reminder for your membership on the mailing list elecraft at mailman.qth.net. 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From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 13:00:05 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:00:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <54DE38C8.7090406@flex.com> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> <54DE38C8.7090406@flex.com> Message-ID: Merv, We have done our own tests of the I7SWX mixer, and while we saw some improvement in dynamic range, it came at the expense of worse MDS. The jury is still out. Our present mixer does an excellent job. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > How about a new mixer board? Present one can be improved quite a bit with some > newer 50- cent chips like the FSA3157. with better specs than the I7SWX mods > and much less complicated, > > Still some room to improve the K3, so thanks Elecraft for working to keep it up to date. > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Fri Feb 13 13:03:41 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:03:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> Message-ID: <000a01d047b7$67c586d0$37509470$@com> This was one of the very reasons that I finally moved to Elecraft and sold my last 2 FTDX-5000MP's several yrs ago and have plans on returning. Most all Elecraft gear here as far as radios except for an IC-9100 which there are no replacements for. May they continue their present business model, as it works very well. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Turnbull Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 11:04 AM To: 'Terry Hart'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development Dear OMs, I will follow this thread for a while. It would be nice to know more about the performance enhancement as Johnny Siu has stated. What I am really chuffed about is that Wayne, Eric and company are enhancing a radio which has been on the market perhaps seven years now. Oh I like the modular design and construction and I love the company. The K3 is not being made obsolete but it is being updated right back to SN 1 - My friend Brendan Minish, EI6IZ can update SN 42 and no doubt he will. I will be contacting Brendan to see what he thinks. Good going guys, my loyalty is rewarded yet attain. If I can be jingoistic it is nice to see an American company performing in this manner. The edge is not lost. Great to see the engineering continue to evolve the K3 - thank you. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Hart Sent: 13 February 2015 14:39 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: TheKSYN3A ---and I just received my K3 kit serial number 8795. I had no idea this was coming up! The extended receiver tuning down to 100KHz sounds interesting....what are the front-end filtering arrangements for that, I wonder? And it would be interesting to see some comparative close-in phase noise plots. Terry G3VFO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Wayne Burdick" ; "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A > Dang, I just put the sub receiver in last week.... I should have > waited > > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector ; > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:07 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The > KSYN3A > > The KSYN3A synthesizer module for the K3 is a completely new design > that improves on the original KSYN3 in several ways. All K3s shipped > on or after January 23, 2015 already include the new synthesizer > (serial number > 8801 and later). > > See feature list below. Ordering and installation instructions can be > found here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > > * * * > > NOTE: If you wish to upgrade a K3 that includes the sub receiver > (KRX3), you'll need two (2) KSYN3A modules, since the synthesizers for > both receivers must be of the same type. > > * * * > > KSYN3A FEATURES: > > * FASTER CW BREAK-IN AND MORE ACCURATE CW TIMING > > A dedicated coprocessor on the module permits faster transmit/receive > switching, improving CW timing accuracy with both internal and > external keying. This also speeds up receive recovery between elements. > > * ULTRA-LOW PHASE NOISE > > The KSYN3A significantly improves the K3's already excellent receive > and transmit phase noise characteristics at close carrier spacings. > This, in turn, improves its close-spaced receive dynamic range, > yielding even better weak signal detection in the presence of strong > signals. In transmit mode, the KSYN3A keeps the signal exceptionally > clean, further enhancing K3 performance at multi-transmitter stations, > Field Day and DXpeditions. > > * 600-METER COVERAGE > > The new synthesizer provides complete coverage of 600 meters -- and below. > VFO tuning extends down to 100 kHz, with sensitivity gradually falling > off > below 450 kHz. Receive sensitivity (MDS) at 475 kHz is typically -120 > dBm at the RX ANT IN jack. Transmit output of about 1.0 mW is > available for use with a suitable external amplifier. (Note: 600-m > allocations vary by country. Operation on this band requires the KBPF3 > and KXV3 options. For receive-only use, an antenna can be connected to > the RX ANT IN jack on the > KXV3 module. For transceive operation with an external amplifier, use > the XVTR IN and XVTR OUT jacks, and set CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST.) > > * EXCELLENT MECHANICAL STABILITY > > The KSYN3A is virtually immune to both physical vibration and magnetic > coupling, and operates over a very wide temperature range with no > change in performance. K3 kit construction is simplified, as the > KSYN3A requires no alignment of any kind. > > * * * > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > terry.hart at btinternet.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From krenner1095 at msn.com Fri Feb 13 13:14:49 2015 From: krenner1095 at msn.com (KURT RENNER) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:14:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] TEST Message-ID: Test From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Feb 13 13:16:44 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <54DE38C8.7090406@flex.com> References: , <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1>, <54DE38C8.7090406@flex.com> Message-ID: <54DE3F8C.11181.339D8B2@Gary.ka1j.com> My opinion which may or may not be worth 2 cents: The KX3 seems to satisfy many who would otherwise be buying a K3, maybe a K2 or K1. To me the KX3 is a fabulous & affordable QRP rig. However nice that tiny wonder is, I prefer the larger K3 with its greater choices and options which I find most helpful to my DXing & contesting interests. Considering what I do with my K3, I can't imagine what they could do to make a much better radio; I'm not sure what a future "K4" would have that I would find more appealing other than maybe another couple inches of width and maybe 1" of height for my 10 thumbs but till then, with the K3 being so modular and upgrades possible by replacing/exchanging boards, I'm expecting the K3 will be the flagship for years to come. Every company has to address profit margins to be viable and I'd much rather give Elecraft more $ for component upgrades than have to sell my K3 to then purchase a surely more expensive, fully loaded "K4" or whatever it would be called. I love the option of keeping the K3 at the top of the game & Elecraft making a satisfactory profit by making that possible. Elecraft; you keep improving as you're doing, I'll keep upgrading. & thanks! 73, Gary KA1J > Still some room to improve the K3, so thanks Elecraft for working to > keep it up to date. > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 13:27:01 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:27:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ Message-ID: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> In response to a gazillion questions: * * * Q: What is involved in upgrading from the KSYN3 to the KSYN3A? A: The KSYN3A plugs into the same connectors as the KSYN3s for the main and sub synthesizers. There are minor differences in cable routing that are covered in the accompanying installation instructions. No user calibration is required for the KSYN3A, simplifying the installation process. Version 5.10 or later K3 firmware is required (presently available on our web site as a beta release). Q: Will the new synthesizer module be included in future orders of the KRX3 sub receiver? A: Yes. But we also have limited quantities of the original synthesizer boards for those with existing K3s who wish to add a KRX3 but not upgrade the synth. Questions on specific orders should go to sales at elecraft.com. Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) A third party has obtained similar results, but they have not published them yet. When they do, we will update this FAQ. Q: How much lower is the KSYN3A's phase noise than that of the original KSYN3? How does this affect signals? A: At an offset of 2 kHz, the KSYN3A's phase noise is typically 15 to 20 dB lower on a given band. Generally speaking, this means a smaller increase in the noise floor in receive mode in the presence of very strong close-in signals. The limiting factor would then be how clean everyone else's signals are. Your own transmit signal will be cleaner when using the KSYN3A, though the K3 already has one of the cleanest transmitters available, accounting for its popularity with DXpeditions and multi-transmitter contest stations. Q: What is the K3's 100-490 kHz receive sensitivity? What signals would I find in this range? A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is required for operation below 160 meters). These tests were made with the signal routed through the RX ANT IN or XVTR IN jacks on the KXV3 option module. The preamp is not effective in this range and must be turned off. A sub receiver (KRX3) fitted with a KBPF3 should have similar performance, whether the signal is obtained from the main path (KXV3) or from the sub's AUX RF input. As for signals: there's the 600-meter band (more on that below), a large number of commercial CW beacons (for example, see www.dxinfocentre.com/ndb.htm), and other interesting phenomena. We've just begun to explore it ourselves! Q: Will I notice any change in performance if I upgrade to the KSYN3A? A: First there's the obvious -- the ability to tune the VFOs much lower in frequency. If you're a high-speed CW operator, you should be able to hear an improvement in CW element timing at high code speeds, as well as somewhat faster receive recovery. The dynamic range of the K3 was already excellent, and its phase noise very low, so you might notice the additional improvement in these parameters only in very difficult signal conditions. Q: How does the new synth affect CW operation? A: The KSYN3A switches faster than the KSYN3, which allows us to more precisely control CW timing. This means less "jitter" (timing variation) at high CW speeds. Many CW operators who had been using "QRQ" mode (CONFIG:CW QRQ=ON) for CW in the 35-60 WPM range will now be able to use normal CW mode (CW QRQ=OFF), meaning they no longer give up RIT and SPLIT when using fast CW. Receive recover times also improve. Note that we recently introduced a variation on CW break-in signal processing called "NEW QSK" (selected by tapping '3' in the CW WGHT menu entry). This eliminates audio T/R artifacts heard with the original algorithm ("OLD QSK"), at the expense of some slowing of receive recovery (by purging the DSP's "pipeline"). Installing a KSYN3A speeds up receive recovery for both the OLD and NEW QSK settings. Q: What is required to use the 600-meter band? A: This band is available in some countries, often on an experimental basis. Specific restrictions may apply. A K3 fitted with a KSYN3A, as well as a KXV3 and KBPF3, can receive signals on this band, and can put out about 1 milliwatt of transmit power. An external amplifier will be needed, connected to the XVTR OUT jack. At present we don't have information on such amplifiers. You can also get on this band using an up-conversion transverter whose output is on a low HF band (also not presently supplied by Elecraft). For a general introduction to the 600-meter band, see: wikipedia.org/wiki/600-meter_amateur_radio_band Q: Can a transverter I.F. of "0" be defined as an alternative to setting CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST? A: Not at this time, though we hope to add this capability. Those who frequently alternate between TEST and NOR modes can assign the KXV3 menu entry to a programmable function switch, or write a switch macro to change this menu setting as well as set up the VFO, preamp, etc., for this band. From w7hd at msn.com Fri Feb 13 13:30:17 2015 From: w7hd at msn.com (w7hd at msn.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:30:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Battery Operation of KX3 Message-ID: <54DE42B9.4070405@msn.com> I am using a Power Bank model MP-16000 Lithium Polymer battery to run the KX3. This appears to now be furnished by Maxtron as the MX160A power bank at $128 on Amazon. It is lightweight (1.1 lbs) and is about the size of a paperback book. Last night I ran the KX3 with backlight on for 3.5 hrs and only used about 15-20% of its capacity on the 12v output, so I would expect to get about 4-5 days of use at that rate! It fully recharged in about 1-1/2 hours. It puts out 12v at 5 amps. The supplied adapter cable for using the various connectors exactly fits the KX3 with no adapter needing to be used. It can also charge your USB device at 2.4A at the same time. The output is switch selectable for 12/16/19v. Ron W7HD -- Sent with Postbox From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 13 13:51:22 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:51:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <783140014.4363207.1423839389640.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1340341749.2219377.1423838565592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <783140014.4363207.1423839389640.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE47AA.7040503@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/13/2015 6:56 AM, VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft wrote: > that's gonna be fun, coz now there is a lot of buzz with new 7850 super low noise LO, Um -- when ARRL tested the Icom 7800 and 7600 rigs, they were among the poorest performers with respect to transmitted noise. I suspect that the massive improvement they are citing may be simply in comparison to their own previous products, and with the Yaesu products, which tested even worse. 73, Jim K9YC From no3m at no3m.net Fri Feb 13 13:53:25 2015 From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:53:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DE4825.3080503@no3m.net> What is the passband of the filtering engaged in the KBPF3 when operating at 630M? The concern at this band in many locations is BCB intermod, and generally an LPF is used in the RX chain. Is it not of concern based on on-air tests, perhaps KBPF3 is on the table for an upgrade, or an outbound LPF recommended? 73 Eric NO3M (experimental 630M license: WG2XJM) On 02/13/2015 01:27 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Q: What is the K3's 100-490 kHz receive sensitivity? What signals would I find in this range? > > A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is required for operation below 160 meters). These tests were made with the signal routed through the RX ANT IN or XVTR IN jacks on the KXV3 option module. The preamp is not effective in this range and must be turned off. A sub receiver (KRX3) fitted with a KBPF3 should have similar performance, whether the signal is obtained from the main path (KXV3) or from the sub's AUX RF input. > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 14:11:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <54DE3F8C.11181.339D8B2@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54DE3F8C.11181.339D8B2@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <336191040.2733240.1423854698481.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I've had my K3 about a year now and Unless something drastically changes I highly doubt I'd changeAt first I was surprised at it's size, but now I like that size and really don't want it larger. I also like that it's modular (K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, Etc.). I think what appeals to me most is some of the thought that went into it.They kept the interface as RS-232 and Not USB (Thank goodness for that). I also like that it's not all molded plastic, yea I like the simple less is more style. It takes a lot to impress me and this is probably the first radio I would even consider rating a 10. If you stop and think about it for what the K3 and accessories really cost the price is actually quite fair.(I think we get quite the band for out buck) From: Gary Smith To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Further K3 development My opinion which may or may not be worth 2 cents: The KX3 seems to satisfy many who would otherwise be buying a K3, maybe a K2 or K1. To me the KX3 is a fabulous & affordable QRP rig. However nice that tiny wonder is, I prefer the larger K3 with its greater choices and options which I find most helpful to my DXing & contesting interests. Considering what I do with my K3, I can't imagine what they could do to make a much better radio; I'm not sure what a future "K4" would have that I would find more appealing other than maybe another couple inches of width and maybe 1" of height for my 10 thumbs but till then, with the K3 being so modular and upgrades possible by replacing/exchanging boards, I'm expecting the K3 will be the flagship for years to come. Every company has to address profit margins to be viable and I'd much rather give Elecraft more $ for component upgrades than have to sell my K3 to then purchase a surely more expensive, fully loaded "K4" or whatever it would be called. I love the option of keeping the K3 at the top of the game & Elecraft making a satisfactory profit by making that possible. Elecraft; you keep improving as you're doing, I'll keep upgrading. & thanks! 73, Gary KA1J > Still some room to improve the K3,? so thanks Elecraft for working to > keep it up to date. > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From kissov29 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 14:15:19 2015 From: kissov29 at gmail.com (Richard Thorpe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:15:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Message-ID: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. R Thorpe K6CG From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 13 14:37:03 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:37:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DE525F.4090008@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/13/2015 10:27 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The limiting factor would then be how clean everyone else's signals are. And in the real world, this is the limiting factor. In my real world, it's an IC7600 with a legal limit amp ten miles away. > Your own transmit signal will be cleaner when using the KSYN3A, though the K3 already has one of the cleanest transmitters available, Yes. While I've seen statements (I hate the word "claim" in this kind of sentence, since it implies that the person making the statement is a liar) that the latest Flex series radios are as clean or cleaner, I've not seen ARRL measurements to confirm that. I suspect that part of that is work in the ARRL Lab with new test equipment capable of testing radios with improved dynamic range on TX. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 14:46:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Why remove it? The sub receiver is very nice From: Richard Thorpe To: Elecraft List Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. R Thorpe K6CG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 14:58:36 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:58:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <54DE4825.3080503@no3m.net> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE4825.3080503@no3m.net> Message-ID: The KBPF3's lowest-frequency filter has a nominal passband of 0.5-2 MHz. The rolloff is not particularly steep, but this is the reason that the MDS at 250 kHz is -90 dBm, while it's -125 dBm at 450 kHz. Intermod should rarely be a factor because of the K3's very robust front end. Those living practically on top of an AM broadcast station typically have been through this drill already and have notch filters. If not, we can design one for you (you get to build it, though :) Wayne N6KR On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Eric NO3M wrote: > What is the passband of the filtering engaged in the KBPF3 when operating at 630M? The concern at this band in many locations is BCB intermod, and generally an LPF is used in the RX chain. Is it not of concern based on on-air tests, perhaps KBPF3 is on the table for an upgrade, or an outbound LPF recommended? > > 73 Eric NO3M (experimental 630M license: WG2XJM) > > On 02/13/2015 01:27 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Q: What is the K3's 100-490 kHz receive sensitivity? What signals would I find in this range? >> >> A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is required for operation below 160 meters). These tests were made with the signal routed through the RX ANT IN or XVTR IN jacks on the KXV3 option module. The preamp is not effective in this range and must be turned off. A sub receiver (KRX3) fitted with a KBPF3 should have similar performance, whether the signal is obtained from the main path (KXV3) or from the sub's AUX RF input. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 14:58:35 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:58:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DE576B.4000503@subich.com> Wayne, >> A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 >> dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the >> receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in >> frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is >> required for operation below 160 meters). Would it make sense to update the KBPF3 to replace (or convert) the 0.5 - 2 MHz BPF to a 2 MHz LPF? Perhaps by removing L1/L2, changing L4/L5 to 2.0 uH, removing C6 and connecting a new inductor (~10 uH) between pins 2/7 of K2? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-13 1:27 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > In response to a gazillion questions: > > * * * > > Q: What is involved in upgrading from the KSYN3 to the KSYN3A? > > A: The KSYN3A plugs into the same connectors as the KSYN3s for the main and sub synthesizers. There are minor differences in cable routing that are covered in the accompanying installation instructions. No user calibration is required for the KSYN3A, simplifying the installation process. Version 5.10 or later K3 firmware is required (presently available on our web site as a beta release). > > > Q: Will the new synthesizer module be included in future orders of the KRX3 sub receiver? > > A: Yes. But we also have limited quantities of the original synthesizer boards for those with existing K3s who wish to add a KRX3 but not upgrade the synth. Questions on specific orders should go to sales at elecraft.com. > > > Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? > > A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) A third party has obtained similar results, but they have not published them yet. When they do, we will update this FAQ. > > > Q: How much lower is the KSYN3A's phase noise than that of the original KSYN3? How does this affect signals? > > A: At an offset of 2 kHz, the KSYN3A's phase noise is typically 15 to 20 dB lower on a given band. Generally speaking, this means a smaller increase in the noise floor in receive mode in the presence of very strong close-in signals. The limiting factor would then be how clean everyone else's signals are. Your own transmit signal will be cleaner when using the KSYN3A, though the K3 already has one of the cleanest transmitters available, accounting for its popularity with DXpeditions and multi-transmitter contest stations. > > > Q: What is the K3's 100-490 kHz receive sensitivity? What signals would I find in this range? > > A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is required for operation below 160 meters). These tests were made with the signal routed through the RX ANT IN or XVTR IN jacks on the KXV3 option module. The preamp is not effective in this range and must be turned off. A sub receiver (KRX3) fitted with a KBPF3 should have similar performance, whether the signal is obtained from the main path (KXV3) or from the sub's AUX RF input. > > As for signals: there's the 600-meter band (more on that below), a large number of commercial CW beacons (for example, see www.dxinfocentre.com/ndb.htm), and other interesting phenomena. We've just begun to explore it ourselves! > > > Q: Will I notice any change in performance if I upgrade to the KSYN3A? > > A: First there's the obvious -- the ability to tune the VFOs much lower in frequency. If you're a high-speed CW operator, you should be able to hear an improvement in CW element timing at high code speeds, as well as somewhat faster receive recovery. The dynamic range of the K3 was already excellent, and its phase noise very low, so you might notice the additional improvement in these parameters only in very difficult signal conditions. > > > Q: How does the new synth affect CW operation? > > A: The KSYN3A switches faster than the KSYN3, which allows us to more precisely control CW timing. This means less "jitter" (timing variation) at high CW speeds. Many CW operators who had been using "QRQ" mode (CONFIG:CW QRQ=ON) for CW in the 35-60 WPM range will now be able to use normal CW mode (CW QRQ=OFF), meaning they no longer give up RIT and SPLIT when using fast CW. Receive recover times also improve. Note that we recently introduced a variation on CW break-in signal processing called "NEW QSK" (selected by tapping '3' in the CW WGHT menu entry). This eliminates audio T/R artifacts heard with the original algorithm ("OLD QSK"), at the expense of some slowing of receive recovery (by purging the DSP's "pipeline"). Installing a KSYN3A speeds up receive recovery for both the OLD and NEW QSK settings. > > > Q: What is required to use the 600-meter band? > > A: This band is available in some countries, often on an experimental basis. Specific restrictions may apply. A K3 fitted with a KSYN3A, as well as a KXV3 and KBPF3, can receive signals on this band, and can put out about 1 milliwatt of transmit power. An external amplifier will be needed, connected to the XVTR OUT jack. At present we don't have information on such amplifiers. You can also get on this band using an up-conversion transverter whose output is on a low HF band (also not presently supplied by Elecraft). For a general introduction to the 600-meter band, see: > > wikipedia.org/wiki/600-meter_amateur_radio_band > > > Q: Can a transverter I.F. of "0" be defined as an alternative to setting CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST? > > A: Not at this time, though we hope to add this capability. Those who frequently alternate between TEST and NOR modes can assign the KXV3 menu entry to a programmable function switch, or write a switch macro to change this menu setting as well as set up the VFO, preamp, etc., for this band. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 14:59:06 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:59:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <1012454774.8515478.1423853914623.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <1012454774.8515478.1423853914623.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Good idea. One of our engineers will be assigned to this when he comes up for air. Wayne N6KR On Feb 13, 2015, at 10:58 AM, "mstangelo at comcast.net [Elecraft_K3]" wrote: > Wayne, > > While we have your attention...do you have updated schematics for the K3, including this new board? The K3 schematics on the website are dated June 2010. > > Mike N2MS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:27:01 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Elecraft_K3] KSYN3A FAQ > > In response to a gazillion questions: > > > > * > __._,_.___ > Posted by: mstangelo at comcast.net > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (2) > VISIT YOUR GROUP > ? New Members 11 > > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 15:02:34 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:02:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <54DE576B.4000503@subich.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE576B.4000503@subich.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:58 AM, "'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists at subich.com [Elecraft_K3]" wrote: > > Wayne, > > >> A: With preamp OFF, we measured about -125 dBm at 475 kHz and -90 > >> dBm at 250 kHz. We have not measured MDS below 250 kHz, but the > >> receiver will gradually become less sensitive as you go lower in > >> frequency due to band-pass filter rolloff (in the KBPF3, which is > >> required for operation below 160 meters). > > Would it make sense to update the KBPF3 to replace (or convert) the > 0.5 - 2 MHz BPF to a 2 MHz LPF? Perhaps by removing L1/L2, changing > L4/L5 to 2.0 uH, removing C6 and connecting a new inductor (~10 uH) > between pins 2/7 of K2? This is certainly not necessary for use of the 600-meter band, or even for listening to beacons in the 300-kHz range, which I've been doing lately. If you were really determined to improve MDS below 250 kHz, you could do this. I would start thinking about the lower-frequency limitations of the PIN diodes with large signals. 73, Wayne N6KR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 15:04:20 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:04:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE58C4.2060909@socal.rr.com> Apparently to save $200 :-) In this vein, I wonder what would happen if you updated the main RX but left the sub RX as is? Question for Wayne, I guess. Hypothetical in my case: I have only one functional ear, so no sub RX. But my KSYN3A should arrive late next week. Phil W7OX On 2/13/15 11:46 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Why remove it? > The sub receiver is very nice > > > From: Richard Thorpe > To: Elecraft List > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A > > The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. > > R Thorpe K6CG From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri Feb 13 15:04:05 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE58B5.7070704@k5dkz.com> I think the idea is to remove the sub receiver, sell it, and use the proceeds to offset the cost of another option. You see lots of second receivers on the bay because lots of people have the same idea. Everyone selling reduces the people buying because the are all coming out of the same pool of users. I mean who is going to want an Elecraft sub receiver if they don't have Elecraft equipment? So the 'savings' premis, although logical at first blush, is actually seriously flawed. First off, even if you do find a buyer, the selling price is going to be far less than you payed for it because it is used and unwanted. Then, if you later decide to add the sub receiver back, you end up possibly paying full price if you have to go back to the manufacturer. That is not a savings. Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Why remove it? > The sub receiver is very nice > > > From: Richard Thorpe > To: Elecraft List > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A > > The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. > > R Thorpe K6CG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 15:04:35 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Vargas KP4Y via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <54DE3F8C.11181.339D8B2@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54DE3F8C.11181.339D8B2@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <924881797.2743391.1423857875278.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> My backup radio is a TS-590S, and I wish Kenwood had taken a similar approach as Elecraft to upgrade it into the new TS-590SG. It's really admirable that Elecraft decided not to take advantage of the advancements in technology to generate additional revenue. These guys are really hams and engineers above all? Robert-KP4Y/W4 On Friday, February 13, 2015 1:41 PM, Gary Smith wrote: My opinion which may or may not be worth 2 cents: The KX3 seems to satisfy many who would otherwise be buying a K3, maybe a K2 or K1. To me the KX3 is a fabulous & affordable QRP rig. However nice that tiny wonder is, I prefer the larger K3 with its greater choices and options which I find most helpful to my DXing & contesting interests. Considering what I do with my K3, I can't imagine what they could do to make a much better radio; I'm not sure what a future "K4" would have that I would find more appealing other than maybe another couple inches of width and maybe 1" of height for my 10 thumbs but till then, with the K3 being so modular and upgrades possible by replacing/exchanging boards, I'm expecting the K3 will be the flagship for years to come. Every company has to address profit margins to be viable and I'd much rather give Elecraft more $ for component upgrades than have to sell my K3 to then purchase a surely more expensive, fully loaded "K4" or whatever it would be called. I love the option of keeping the K3 at the top of the game & Elecraft making a satisfactory profit by making that possible. Elecraft; you keep improving as you're doing, I'll keep upgrading. & thanks! 73, Gary KA1J > Still some room to improve the K3,? so thanks Elecraft for working to > keep it up to date. > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 15:05:52 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:05:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE58C4.2060909@socal.rr.com> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE58C4.2060909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <43657B3D-302D-4D45-9756-3FA64530DEEA@elecraft.com> Both synthesizers must be of the same type. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Apparently to save $200 :-) > > In this vein, I wonder what would happen if you updated the main RX but left the sub RX as is? Question for Wayne, I guess. > > Hypothetical in my case: I have only one functional ear, so no sub RX. But my KSYN3A should arrive late next week. > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/13/15 11:46 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> Why remove it? >> The sub receiver is very nice >> >> >> From: Richard Thorpe >> To: Elecraft List >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM >> Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A >> The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. >> >> R Thorpe K6CG > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 15:07:05 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:07:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <54DE525F.4090008@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE525F.4090008@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54DE5969.9050801@subich.com> On 2015-02-13 2:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > And in the real world, this is the limiting factor. In my real > world, it's an IC7600 with a legal limit amp ten miles away. Consider yourself lucky. In my real world, it's an IC-746 and legal limit amp 0.65 miles away! > Yes. While I've seen statements (I hate the word "claim" in this kind > of sentence, since it implies that the person making the statement is > a liar) that the latest Flex series radios are as clean or cleaner, > I've not seen ARRL measurements to confirm that. No, but one can infer that from the Receiver data published by Sherwood on the Flex 6700 (receive LO Noise = 145 dBc/Hz). Given the design of those "radios" the phase noise is generally clock jitter and would be reciprocal in transmit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 15:15:37 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:15:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <54DE5969.9050801@subich.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE525F.4090008@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54DE5969.9050801@subich.com> Message-ID: <4328796D-5E62-4939-9BBF-B84EC3053674@elecraft.com> Another interesting issue regarding the Flex 6xxx series (and radios with a similar direct-digital-sampling RF architecture) is that "A/D Limit" descriptor in the blocking dynamic range column in Sherwood's chart. An ADC limit is a hard one; it does not gracefully soft-limit in the presence of strong signals, like an amplifier stage. Multiple signals in the passband can cause additive peaks that hit this ADC limit sooner, causing ghost signals (IMD) to appear. 3-tone (or higher) testing may be needed to quantify the effect of the ADC limit in DDC receivers. Perhaps "A/D Limit" can then be converted into a useful number. Wayne N6KR On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:07 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > On 2015-02-13 2:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> And in the real world, this is the limiting factor. In my real >> world, it's an IC7600 with a legal limit amp ten miles away. > > Consider yourself lucky. In my real world, it's an IC-746 and legal > limit amp 0.65 miles away! > >> Yes. While I've seen statements (I hate the word "claim" in this kind >> of sentence, since it implies that the person making the statement is >> a liar) that the latest Flex series radios are as clean or cleaner, >> I've not seen ARRL measurements to confirm that. > > No, but one can infer that from the Receiver data published by Sherwood > on the Flex 6700 (receive LO Noise = 145 dBc/Hz). Given the design of > those "radios" the phase noise is generally clock jitter and would be > reciprocal in transmit. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 15:16:08 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:16:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <000a01d047b7$67c586d0$37509470$@com> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> <000a01d047b7$67c586d0$37509470$@com> Message-ID: <54DE5B88.7080303@subich.com> On 2015-02-13 1:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > Most all Elecraft gear here as far as radios except for an IC-9100 > which there are no replacements for. No Elecraft replacement for ... I plan to look carefully at the FT-991 tomorrow (Orlando Hamcation) as it seems to cover all the bases except for 1.2 GHz. It would give me an excuse to replace both my token Yaesu (FT-2000) and Icom (IC-706mkIIg) rigs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From krenner1095 at msn.com Fri Feb 13 15:43:59 2015 From: krenner1095 at msn.com (KURT RENNER) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:43:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE LP- PAN 2 Message-ID: I have for sale LP - PAN -2, XONARU7 7.1 USB Sound Card. $300.00 plus shipping. PAY PAL ONLY. E-mail me off list. krenner1095 at msn.com K0ARO Kurt From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 15:53:04 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ In-Reply-To: <4328796D-5E62-4939-9BBF-B84EC3053674@elecraft.com> References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE525F.4090008@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54DE5969.9050801@subich.com> <4328796D-5E62-4939-9BBF-B84EC3053674@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54DE6430.4060608@subich.com> On 2015-02-13 3:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Another interesting issue regarding the Flex 6xxx series (and radios > with a similar direct-digital-sampling RF architecture) is that "A/D > Limit" descriptor in the blocking dynamic range column in Sherwood's > chart. An ADC limit is a hard one; it does not gracefully soft-limit > in the presence of strong signals, like an amplifier stage. Multiple > signals in the passband can cause additive peaks that hit this ADC > limit sooner, causing ghost signals (IMD) to appear. 3-tone (or > higher) testing may be needed to quantify the effect of the ADC limit > in DDC receivers. Perhaps "A/D Limit" can then be converted into a > useful number. In an e-mail exchange with Chen, W7AY some months ago he indicated the "number of tones" seems to be somewhere around 10. However, I'm sure that is fuzzy and depends a lot on the frequency relationship and if they are all of similar strength or there is a wide dynamic range. Perhaps the best way to test dynamic range in direct digital sampling receivers is noise power testing. Run a "notched noise signal" of a known level into the DDS receiver and increase the noise power until the noise floor in the notch increases 1 dB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > Wayne > N6KR > > From turnbull at net1.ie Fri Feb 13 15:54:20 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:54:20 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> Dear OMs, In no way would I part with my sub-receiver. I operate 160M and find diversity reception a considerable help. I also like the ability to tune the second receiver through a pile up extending 20KhZ and sometimes offset nearly 100 KHz. The sub-receiver is not needed by most people and I would not wish to over specify some ones radio - the K3 is affordable in the basic configuration and an excellent performer. Modular design allows one to update and upgrade - which is just fine. Like a few other fortunate souls I have two K3s and if the new KSYN3A is enough of an advance then I will first upgrade one radio then the other. A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any advantage for JT-65 with the new board? Sadly though CW is my mode; my speed is not at 35 WPM for rag chews. Maybe at times 30 WPM but not 35 WPM plus. The improvements may prove useful for CW contests - this will convince me. As pointed out previously SSB signals are so lousy from many radios that the improved receiver performance might not be noticed. So I am waiting to see what other report but I am keen. I do not want a K4 and it delights me to see this enlightened attitude by Elecraft to improving and extending product life. This is not the norm. An old Yankee maxim is, "Use it up; Fix it up; Make do; Do without" Elecraft should appeal to the six North Eastern States. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Thorpe Sent: 13 February 2015 19:15 To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. R Thorpe K6CG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 16:03:52 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE58B5.7070704@k5dkz.com> References: <54DE58B5.7070704@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <156148640.198295.1423861432256.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> As I see it for those who want the extra capabilities will pay it.The sell as sub receiver to pay for a 200 option seems a bit haste. The K3 is just as capable as it was yesterday, this is merely adding to it. If money is that tight I'd rather just keep the Sub receiver as it is more useful From: bs usb To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A I think the idea is to remove the sub receiver, sell it, and use the proceeds to offset the cost of another option. You see lots of second receivers on the bay because lots of people have the same idea.? Everyone selling reduces the people buying because the are all coming out of the same pool of users.? I mean who is going to want an Elecraft sub receiver if they don't have Elecraft equipment? So the 'savings' premis, although logical at first blush, is actually seriously flawed.? First off, even if you do find a buyer, the selling price is going to be far less than you payed for it because it is used and unwanted.? Then, if you later decide to add the sub receiver back, you end up possibly paying full price if you have to go back to the manufacturer.? That is not a savings. Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Why remove it? > The sub receiver is very nice > > >? ? ? ? From: Richard Thorpe >? To: Elecraft List >? Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:15 PM >? Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A >? ? > The most cost effective thing to do is to remove the sub-receive and save $200 bucks and upgrade the main synth only. I can see a lot of second receivers on eBay. > > R Thorpe K6CG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 16:12:27 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:12:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> Message-ID: <54DE68BB.2090308@socal.rr.com> On 2/13/15 12:54 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Like a few other fortunate souls I have two K3s and if the new KSYN3A > is enough of an advance then I will first upgrade one radio then the other. Good. You can do an A-B test after upgrading one of them and give us a full report :-) Phil W7OX From ny9h at arrl.net Fri Feb 13 16:19:40 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill NY9H) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> Message-ID: now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,, seems that there will be a few thousand available.... What cool thing could we build in which to nest the olds synth card ???? From kissov29 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 16:21:20 2015 From: kissov29 at gmail.com (Richard Thorpe) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242@gmail.com> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. Too bad, but for the times I use it a $200 upgrade is just too much, so I order one new synth board remove the two old ones and the second receive, the ?cost? of upgrading I guess. Put the second receive away never to be see again. R Thorpe K6CG From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 16:46:42 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Once I got the new synt's here I can donate my old ones back?to elecraft just in case they are running out of old ones... vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: Bill NY9H To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,, seems that there will be a few thousand available.... What cool thing could we build in which to nest the olds synth card ???? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to yo3gjc at yahoo.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 13 17:30:48 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:30:48 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ Message-ID: <201502132230.t1DMUmhH054660@huffman.acsalaska.net> A couple comments to add to Wayne's: 1. How many of you have measured the noise floor below 500-KHz? I have used my K3/10 and a SDR-IQ for receiving the 600m band for three years. The SDR-IQ display is in dBm and very accurate. The receiver MDS is -130 to -132 dBm at 500-KHz. The lowest noise floor I see with my inverted-L antenna is -115 dBm. Often it is -100 or even -90 dBm. So reality is that sky noise and local noise environment will be your receiving limit vs the MDS of the K3. Those of you who operate on 160m will recognize what I am saying. I have not gone below 300-KHz so do not know what the noise looks like down there. There is a RGPS beacon 3-miles from my house that comes in at -30dBm on 310-KHz. It would be a good propagation beacon for anyone that wants to work me on 600m (currently my antenna is down). Now if you own acreage to put up a Beverage antenna then you may get noise low enough to utilize the MDS. Then there is always adding a low noise preamp to improve MDS. 2. Many of us in the ARRL Experimental Group or with experimental licenses for operating on 600m utilize bandpass filters to reduce BC interference. I have a Clifton Labs Z10020 Rejection Filter (540-1700 KHz) which is limited to 100mw if you plan to transmit thru it. I use it only for receiving. An Anchorage station (65mi NE) on 550-KHz normally is seen at -50 dBm, drops into the noise with the filter and the broad noise sidebands disappear. http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 From: Wayne Burdick To: Eric NO3M Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A FAQ Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The KBPF3's lowest-frequency filter has a nominal passband of 0.5-2 MHz. The rolloff is not particularly steep, but this is the reason that the MDS at 250 kHz is -90 dBm, while it's -125 dBm at 450 kHz. Intermod should rarely be a factor because of the K3's very robust front end. Those living practically on top of an AM broadcast station typically have been through this drill already and have notch filters. If not, we can design one for you (you get to build it, though :) Wayne N6KR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 13 17:43:51 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:43:51 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Message-ID: <201502132243.t1DMhpdc056913@huffman.acsalaska.net> I am copying a reply I made on the 600m e-mail reflector as I think it may answer some questions how the K3 is used down below 500-KHz: -------------------------------- To: Jim Miller Subject: Re: [600MRG] [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 synthesizer module now available: The KSYN3A Jim, The K3 operates all modes in TEST: CW/SSB/AM/FM/DATA/RTTY/packet/psk-msk, etc. I can run psk-31, JT65, WSPR using DATA-A. Any soundcard sw runs normally with the K3. TEST mode essentially is placing the K3 into transverter mode with inputs/outputs available at the transverter connectors or Rx ANT. It uses the general coverage filter to operate outside normal ham bands. Not sure what you mean by external mixing. You just PRESS-HOLD the MODE down button to get into TEST and operate the K3 normally. It just lowers in power to mw and routes thru the transverter interface module KXV3. Look on page 75 at the K3 block diagram at the upper right corner which shows the KXV3. Right below is shows the BP filters and the 10w PA/Driver and final are bypassed to the KXV3. That is all the TEST mode does. The new SYNTH board allows operation lower in frequency. The gen coverage BP filter KBPF3 nominally covers 500-KHz to 30 MHz. Performance drops off above 30 though the radio will tune to 32 MHz in the transverter mode. I assume there is no change in the KBPF3 so it will also drop off below 500-KHz but apparently not significantly until below 450-KHz. This is a BIG WIN for Elecraft to enter the 600m Ham Band when it gets approved. They can already sell to countries that have created the 600m ham band. And I have no motivation to build a transverter for 600m, now. The prototype pc boards would run costs up to at least $400 for the initial transverter. Instead I get two new synth boards and install them in less than 30-min. The bonus is the lowered phase noise for weak-signal work. Those Elecraft guys are pretty crafty-smart. 73, Ed At 08:47 AM 2/13/2015, Jim Miller wrote: >What modes are available if using Test? Does Test at least provide >CW keyed out? > >Seems like sound card modes like JT65 or WSPR would still require >external mixing before the amp. > >73 > >Jim ab3cv 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 17:49:23 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they won't be making more and hams are generically cheap, it will extend the K3 life for those without a toy budget. Best to ask Wayne if they can manage that first however... Maybe a coupon for a future purchase. I'll likely get a pair to keep my K3 current... along with the SVGA upgrade for the P3, I'm tired of squinting, this K1N showed me I needed to see more. Rick wa6nhc On 2/13/2015 1:46 PM, VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft wrote: > Once I got the new synt's here I can donate my old ones back to elecraft just in case they are running out of old ones... From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 13 17:53:51 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:53:51 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Message-ID: <201502132253.t1DMrpuF094283@denali.acsalaska.net> Doug, JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low phase-noise in a receiver (typically from the LO). I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I can see improvement with the new synth. Nor will I part with my sub-rcvr as its integral to my dual-polarity adaptive reception using JT65. I use diversity reception with receivers connected to different polarities. The sw that provides adaptive reception is MAP65. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: "Doug Turnbull" To: "'Richard Thorpe'" , "'Elecraft List'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Message-ID: <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80 at DOUG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear OMs, In no way would I part with my sub-receiver. ======snip======= A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any advantage for JT-65 with the new board? =====snip======== 73 Doug EI2CN 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Feb 13 18:15:32 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:15:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <1190464789.2742927.1423856778269.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver. One advantage of the K3 is its Barbie Doll (tm) feature. I can add pieces slowly to the radio and stay under the worst of my YL/budget master/KI6SLX's radar screen. It may take several years, but it is the best way for me to end up with a top-of-the-line radio. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 18:19:57 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:19:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver. You'll get the new synth with the KRX3 in this case. And there's no change in price for the KRX3 option. 73, Wayne N6KR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 18:20:39 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:20:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-) Phil W7OX On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a > supply for those simple wanting to add the KXR3 > without doing the upgrade. Since they won't be > making more and hams are generically cheap From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 13 18:34:34 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) Message-ID: Hi all, I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. * * * Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. * * * The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. 73, Wayne N6KR From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Fri Feb 13 19:19:45 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I must admit?that?understanding those figures are beyond my knowledge.? In practical terms, if I can now hear a?below S1 cw weak signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be the improvement?after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating under the same condition? Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851.? Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable layman terms? 73 Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 ? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? Elecraft Reflector ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) Hi all, I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. * * * Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. * * * The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 13 19:23:06 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more politically correct term. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those >> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they >> won't be making more and hams are generically cheap > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 13 19:35:09 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:35:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DE983D.3000509@socal.rr.com> Yes, that makes sense, Don -- and not so pejorative as "cheap" :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/13/15 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for > a transceiver configured to the max, but balk at > spending $5 for a cable adapter or something > special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a > more politically correct term. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> I find it hard to regard Elecraft-owning hams >> as "cheap", Rick :-) >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft >>> a supply for those simple wanting to add the >>> KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they >>> won't be making more and hams are generically >>> cheap From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 13 19:44:28 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:44:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DE9A6C.4020904@embarqmail.com> Johnny, Hopefully I can simplify it a bit given your example. That S9+60dB signal will have a weaker response in your receiver *if* your receiver was the limiting factor. If the transmitter phase noise (splatter and other 'bad stuff' was the original problem, then you may or may not have any improvement for that example. In other words, you will notice an improvement if other signals on the band are relatively clean. The improvement when other signals on the band are not clean will not be as obvious. Actually if an S9+60dB signal 10 kHz away is going to give you problems, then that signal is coming from a 'dirty transmitter'. I think a better example would be -- If you can operate within 2 kHz of a strong signal with the current KSYN3, then the KSYN3A may be able to allow you to operate within 1.5 to 1.8 kHz of that same signal. In other words, you will be able to "saddle up closer" to any signal unless the transmitter is creating trash. Note: All numbers are for relative comparison only. I pulled those numbers out of my head for illustration purposes only and do not represent any test data. I have not seen nor used the KSYN3A. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2015 7:19 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > I must admit that understanding those figures are beyond my knowledge. In practical terms, if I can now hear a below S1 cw weak signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be the improvement after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating under the same condition? > Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851. Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. > Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable layman terms? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 > ???? Wayne Burdick > ???? Elecraft Reflector > ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM > ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) > > Hi all, > > I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. > > * * * > > Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? > > A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: > > 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB > 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB > > Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. > > * * * > > The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Fri Feb 13 19:45:06 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:45:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <20150213211954.00F96CE41BF@mailman.qth.net> References: <946DA1C7-CA6A-492C-872F-59945D59ACA7@gmail.com> <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80@DOUG1> <20150213211954.00F96CE41BF@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <20150214004506.GP25116@n0nb.us> * On 2015 13 Feb 15:20 -0600, Bill NY9H wrote: > now we need a neat application for the old synth card,,,, > seems that there will be a few thousand available.... Wayne alluded earlier that they were holding some subreceiver kits back for those interested in fitting one into a K3 with the older synth board. Perhaps Elecraft would be interested in a modest trade-in value for some of those boards. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From ctate at ewnetinc.com Fri Feb 13 19:49:35 2015 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:49:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD3A5D1D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Wow thanks Wayne and Elecraft for another improvement to a legendary rig.. or as I told my wife.. "I have just had to factor an extra $400 into the monthly budget". ;-). ~C. N6WM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:20 PM To: Bill Frantz Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A On Feb 13, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > One thing I couldn't see from the Elecraft web site: I have a single receiver K3. If I install the KSYN3A, and later add a second receiver, which synth do I get in that second receiver. You'll get the new synth with the KRX3 in this case. And there's no change in price for the KRX3 option. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Feb 13 20:03:36 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (k6dgw at foothill.net) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:03:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> References: "\"<20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net>" <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>" <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <70910ae9a240bc4a53b440201552141e@foothill.net> I know one of those, obviously far better off than we are, who tips on the total less tax in a restaurant. I decided to buy him lunch. It is what it is, we're all different. On-topic question: I'm totally happy with my fairly vanilla K3 [S/N 642 upgraded a few years ago at Elecraft]. No sub-Rx, 2.7 SSB and 500 Hz CW, DVR, and KBPF3. 95% CW, rest RTTY [contests] and SSB [SOTA]. My K-line is "fairly well installed in the rack," the rear gives new meaning to the term "wireless," and taking it apart is a bit of a chore. Getting it back together is a bigger chore. What would I gain from the new Synth? I have no nearby phase noise problems since Jim [WX6V] got a K3, and I think my TX signal is "within specs." 73, Fred K6DGW TDY Bakersfield CA [don't ask why :-)] On 2015-02-13 16:23, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver > configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or > something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more > politically correct term. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 13 20:25:50 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:25:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <70910ae9a240bc4a53b440201552141e@foothill.net> References: "\"<20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net>" <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>" <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> <70910ae9a240bc4a53b440201552141e@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54DEA41E.3090204@embarqmail.com> Fred, See my response to Johnny Siu. That is the best I can do to explain it in "layman's terms". 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2015 8:03 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net wrote: > What would I gain from the new Synth? I have no nearby phase noise > problems since Jim [WX6V] got a K3, and I think my TX signal is > "within specs." > From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri Feb 13 20:35:04 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:35:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DE86C7.4040903@socal.rr.com> <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DEA648.8090806@k5dkz.com> I think you are confusing 'thrifty' and 'stingy'. Don Wilhelm wrote: > Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver > configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or > something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more > politically correct term. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-) >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those >>> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since >>> they won't be making more and hams are generically cheap >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 21:08:29 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 02:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> References: <54DE956A.6040509@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <403911778.2856080.1423879709490.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Good thing they don't get into Reef Aquariums ;) From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or something special of that nature.? Perhaps "thrifty" is a more politically correct term. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those >> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade.? Since they >> won't be making more and hams are generically cheap > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From dave at nk7z.net Fri Feb 13 21:27:33 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 18:27:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3KSYN3A In-Reply-To: References: <7FB75D8D-02B9-49FC-87F2-54EB0D6EEE35@elecraft.com> <54DE576B.4000503@subich.com> Message-ID: <1423880853.23891.50.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Will Elecraft be offering a trade in program for the old Synth boards? :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 21:28:27 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:28:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... Doug -- K0DXV From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 13 22:00:31 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:00:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DEBA4F.7080900@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/13/2015 4:19 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. Is it known for it's low phase noise on TX? 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 13 22:08:45 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 03:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1987754712.2866201.1423883325550.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the figures. I am trying to understand the amount of improvement we can expect.? According to the ARRL Review in January 2009 the IMDDR was 106/103 dbm at 2 KHZ but the Reciprocal Mixing was -86dbc at 2KHZ offset with 500 HZ bandwidth. ? The new synthesizer has essential the SAME?IMDDR 106 or 103?depending on the filter bandwidth. ? So, my question: ? is the real import of all this that the new?synthesizer?will give the K3 an IMDDR which is NOT limited to 86 dbs by Reciprocal Mixing so we will now get the FULL benefit of a IMDDR of 106/103?If so, that 20 db improvement is huge. I may be mixing apples and oranges, but I am just trying to understand this. ? Thanks for any clarification the group can provide. 73, Bob/AA6VB From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:34 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) Hi all, I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. * * * Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. * * * The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 22:54:00 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 22:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DEC6D8.3020304@subich.com> Argh! That will make the K3 second to the Flex 6700 in Sherwood's table although the 100 KHz blocking will be better than the "A/D Limited" for the 6700. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-13 6:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. > > * * * > > Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? > > A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: > > 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB > 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB > > Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. > > * * * > > The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 13 23:29:41 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <1987754712.2866201.1423883325550.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1987754712.2866201.1423883325550.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DECF35.2040606@subich.com> On 2015-02-13 10:08 PM, Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: > The new synthesizer has essential the SAME IMDDR 106 or 103 > depending on the filter bandwidth. Incorrect! You are comparing measurements by different labs with different test equipment and procedures. Sherwood measured 104 dB w/200 Hz filter and 96 dB w/400 Hz filter for the old Synth vs. 106 and 103 for new synth. That's 2 to 7 dB improvement depending on filter bandwidth. Since the synthesizer is about 6dBc/Hz better than the old synthesizer, the first order estimation is that the improvement in narrow spaced IMDDR3 is due to the decrease in phase noise. > So, my question: is the real import of all this that the new > synthesizer will give the K3 an IMDDR which is NOT limited to 86 > dbs by Reciprocal Mixing so we will now get the FULL benefit of a > IMDDR of 106/103?If so, that 20 db improvement is huge. One would need to look into the way in which ARRL measures Reciprocal Mixing to understand exactly what that "Spec" is telling you and what improvement one might find. It is safe to expect the reduction in phase noise to directly impact both narrow spaced IMDDR3 and Reciprocal Mixing. BTW, I just reviewed the original ARRL review of the K3 (April 2008) and their Reciprocal Mixing numbers were -116 dBc @20 KHz, -106 dBc @ 5 KHz and -95dBc at 2 KHz. That's a far ways from -89 dB that you quote. Assuming a 6 dBc/Hz noise improvement in the new synthesizer, you can make the numbers -122, -112, -101 which would be a significant improvement. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 14 00:00:48 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <201502132253.t1DMrpuF094283@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201502132253.t1DMrpuF094283@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54DED680.10703@subich.com> > I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I > can see improvement with the new synth. I'm guessing not unless you see some direct (tropo) signals. > JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low > phase-noise in a receiver (typically from the LO). On HF JT65 and JT9 as well as 6M tropo, the improved phase noise should be significant doe to the lower reciprocal mixing ... the strong signals in the passband will not raise the noise floor as much. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-13 5:53 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Doug, > > JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low phase-noise > in a receiver (typically from the LO). > I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I can > see improvement with the new synth. > > Nor will I part with my sub-rcvr as its integral to my dual-polarity > adaptive reception using JT65. I use diversity reception with receivers > connected to different polarities. The sw that provides adaptive > reception is MAP65. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > From: "Doug Turnbull" > To: "'Richard Thorpe'" , "'Elecraft List'" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A > Message-ID: <685CC641927645DDA5FFB8A3A5128C80 at DOUG1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear OMs, > In no way would I part with my sub-receiver. > ======snip======= > A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any > advantage > for JT-65 with the new board? > =====snip======== > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ho13dave at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 00:37:15 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:37:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <54DECF35.2040606@subich.com> References: <1987754712.2866201.1423883325550.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DECF35.2040606@subich.com> Message-ID: <54DEDF0B.1040004@gmail.com> > That's a far ways from -89 dB that you > quote. The ARRL review in the April 2008 issue of the K3/10 showed reciprocal mixing as -95 dBc at 2 kHz spacing. The ARRL review in the Jan 2009 issue of the K3/100 showed reciprocal mixing as -86 dBc at 2 kHz spacing. This is the same lab. Dunno about same test equipment. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/13/15 10:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-02-13 10:08 PM, Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: >> The new synthesizer has essential the SAME IMDDR 106 or 103 >> depending on the filter bandwidth. > > Incorrect! You are comparing measurements by different labs with > different test equipment and procedures. > > Sherwood measured 104 dB w/200 Hz filter and 96 dB w/400 Hz filter > for the old Synth vs. 106 and 103 for new synth. That's 2 to 7 dB > improvement depending on filter bandwidth. Since the synthesizer > is about 6dBc/Hz better than the old synthesizer, the first order > estimation is that the improvement in narrow spaced IMDDR3 is due > to the decrease in phase noise. > >> So, my question: is the real import of all this that the new >> synthesizer will give the K3 an IMDDR which is NOT limited to 86 >> dbs by Reciprocal Mixing so we will now get the FULL benefit of a >> IMDDR of 106/103?If so, that 20 db improvement is huge. > > One would need to look into the way in which ARRL measures Reciprocal > Mixing to understand exactly what that "Spec" is telling you and what > improvement one might find. It is safe to expect the reduction in > phase noise to directly impact both narrow spaced IMDDR3 and Reciprocal > Mixing. > > BTW, I just reviewed the original ARRL review of the K3 (April 2008) > and their Reciprocal Mixing numbers were -116 dBc @20 KHz, -106 dBc > @ 5 KHz and -95dBc at 2 KHz. That's a far ways from -89 dB that you > quote. Assuming a 6 dBc/Hz noise improvement in the new synthesizer, > you can make the numbers -122, -112, -101 which would be a significant > improvement. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat Feb 14 00:38:10 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 05:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <54DE9A6C.4020904@embarqmail.com> References: <54DE9A6C.4020904@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <611403472.2370152.1423892290316.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Don, you are great in explaining the figures in layman terms. ?While I cannot control the other's transmitters' IMD / phase noise, I now at least know what I will expect to be better off by using the KSYN3A especially under very difficult RX conditions (assuming everything under the same conditions as the current KSYN3). TNX, Johnny VR2XMC ???? Don Wilhelm ???? Johnny Siu ; Elecraft Reflector ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 8:44 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) Johnny, Hopefully I can simplify it a bit given your example. That S9+60dB signal will have a weaker response in your receiver *if* your receiver was the limiting factor.? If the transmitter phase noise (splatter and other 'bad stuff' was the original problem, then you may or may not have any improvement for that example. In other words, you will notice an improvement if other signals on the band are relatively clean.? The improvement when other signals on the band are not clean will not be as obvious. Actually if an S9+60dB signal 10 kHz away is going to give you problems, then that signal is coming from a 'dirty transmitter'.? I think a better example would be -- If you can operate within 2 kHz of a strong signal with the current KSYN3, then the KSYN3A may be able to allow you to operate within 1.5 to 1.8 kHz of that same signal.? In other words, you will be able to "saddle up closer" to any signal unless the transmitter is creating trash. Note: All numbers are for relative comparison only.? I pulled those numbers out of my head for illustration purposes only and do not represent any test data.? I have not seen nor used the KSYN3A. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/13/2015 7:19 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > I must admit that understanding those figures are beyond my knowledge.? In practical terms, if I can now hear a below S1 cw weak signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be the improvement after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating under the same condition? > Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851.? Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. > Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable layman terms? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 >? ? ? ? ???? Wayne Burdick >? ???? Elecraft Reflector > ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" >? ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM >? ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) >? ? > Hi all, > > I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. > > * * * > > Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? > > A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: > >? ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB >? ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB > > Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. > > * * * > > The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat Feb 14 00:42:13 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 05:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <54DEBA4F.7080900@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54DEBA4F.7080900@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1294188649.2348589.1423892533768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If both RX and TX are using the same synthesizer, TX phase noise should be lowered. However, I am no expert on Icom IC7850 but more information will be given in the link below: The Icom IC-7850 at APDXC 2014 | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | The Icom IC-7850 at APDXC 2014The IC-7850 at APDXC 2014, Osaka, Japan by Adam Farson VA7OJ/AB4OJ Hot News! The IC-7850 and IC-7851? received FCC and IC certification on 15 January 201... | | | | ??? www.ab4oj.com | Yahoo ?? | | | | ? | The idea of reciprocal mixing dynamic range RMDR now becomes a more realistic measure of RX. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Jim Brown ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 11:00 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) On Fri,2/13/2015 4:19 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. Is it known for it's low phase noise on TX? 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From dezrat at outlook.com Sat Feb 14 00:47:45 2015 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem Message-ID: My K3 has developed a problem with the VFO. It is, of course, just barely out of warranty. :-) When I turn the VFO knob very slowly, the frequency display follows normally, but when I turn it a little faster, the frequency display freezes and intermittently unfreezes but immediately freezes again as long as I'm turning the knob rapidly. Behavior is the same regardless of what VFO speed I have chosen. Any ideas? Bill W6WRT From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Feb 14 03:29:58 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:29:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <1294188649.2348589.1423892533768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54DEBA4F.7080900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1294188649.2348589.1423892533768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DF0786.3080507@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/13/2015 9:42 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > If both RX and TX are using the same synthesizer, TX phase noise > should be lowered. Not necessarily -- it depends on the design. Some rigs have low phase noise on RX but not on TX. 73, Jim K9YC From dezrat at outlook.com Sat Feb 14 03:53:17 2015 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:53:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:55:13 -0600, Dave wrote: > >Sounds to me that you have something grabbing big chunks of CPU time. >What all is plugged into the K3? Clear everything out. See if that >helps. If so, then replug things until the behavior returns. > >73 de dave >ab9ca/4 > REPLY: Even with the computer turned off and the P3 also off, the problem is still there. In fact it is getting worse. I tried it just now and even when turning the VFO knob slowly, the frequency display is mostly frozen, just moving a little intermittently. There is nothing else connected to the K3. Bill W6WRT From widelitz at gte.net Sat Feb 14 04:13:12 2015 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 01:13:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A Message-ID: <002b01d04836$75d5e3d0$6181ab70$@gte.net> My interest in this update is a reduction in interference in an SO2R environment with two K3s. What is the conventional wisdom regarding the potential improvement in this particular area? 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 04:38:45 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 03:38:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> Message-ID: <45720790-C068-44F4-8C80-691B848779B5@yahoo.com> Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit? Just a thought. ((((73)))) Milverton So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley. > On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... > > Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From mm0rkt at gmx.com Sat Feb 14 06:18:48 2015 From: mm0rkt at gmx.com (Bob Towers) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:18:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 problem Message-ID: <54DF2F18.2010508@gmx.com> I fired my K3 up in preparation for CQWW RRTY this weekend. I run MixW. When I checked the CAT operation, it wouldn't work properly ie gave me some monsensical frequency readings in MixW's log. I thought it may have been a new motherboard in my PC, but checked the operation with my K2 and it worked fine. The settings of the K3 are: RS232 38499 b KIO3 nor MixW's settings are 38400 8 N 1, unchanged from the last time I used the rig. COM 1 on the PC motherboard is set to 38400 8 N 1. I tried a PCie dual serial port card in the PC motherboard - same problem. I turned the baud rate down to 19200 in the K3, MixW and on the PC motherboard and all now seems to work as it should. I can live with that. But the question remains: is the KIO3 board becoming faulty? 73 Bob Towers MM0RKT From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Feb 14 06:24:50 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:24:50 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <54DF0786.3080507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54DEBA4F.7080900@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1294188649.2348589.1423892533768.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DF0786.3080507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <008801d04848$de113820$9a33a860$@co.uk> >> If both RX and TX are using the same synthesizer, TX phase noise >> should be lowered. > >Not necessarily -- it depends on the design. Some rigs have low phase >noise on RX but not on TX. > The noise that we hear on transmitted signals, or through reciprocal mixing in our receivers, is always the COMPOSITE noise - the vector sum of both the Phase Noise and the Amplitude-Modulated noise. Most modern test equipment measures exclusively phase noise, so that's what the equipment reviews quote as well. Then the advertisers jumped on the bandwagon so now it's "Phase noise, phase noise, everybody's talkin' 'bout phase noise!" We are carelessly sliding towards labeling every kind of noise as "phase noise" when very often it isn't. Don't ever forget that AM noise component. At some frequencies AM noise can be even more important than the phase noise. If the transmit and receive paths use the same frequency-determining signals (oscillators) then the phase noise - true phase noise, that is - in the TX and RX paths should be very similar. Generically they should be the same, so you'd need to identify some quite specific reasons for PN to be different between TX and RX in any particular transceiver. But a transceiver also contains many, many sources of AM noise - not so much in the oscillators but in the TX and RX signal pathways. Because those pathways are different, the levels of AM noise generically *do* differ between TX and RX. Therefore we should always expect the *composite* noise to be different between TX and RX - and that will probably be mostly because of different AM noise levels. Problems with AM noise on transmit are often made worse by designers forgetting that the problem even exists. In older analog rigs, for example, there may be significant AM noise on transmit because the TX chain starts out at too low a signal level, and the designer forgot to use low-noise techniques in that weak spot. In modern digital rigs, the analog TX signal comes from a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) which is heavily laden with AM digital noise that needs careful filtering. There is an awful example in SM5BSZ's 2013 article on 'Band Pollution by Amateur Transmitters' . Figure 8 shows a very high noise level at the output of the DAC (enough to make the sine-wave look like a fuzzy caterpillar). Then that noise is insufficiently filtered, leaving serious TX noise sidebands of only -75dBc at +/- 300kHz. Because this is almost entirely AM noise, any test that focuses exclusively on phase noise will miss it... and that particular manufacturer did miss it. In contrast, the K3 came top of the table for suppression of wideband TX noise (Table 1, which pre-dates the KX3). 73 from Ian GM3SEK From n4ua.va at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 06:30:25 2015 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 06:30:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF upgrade Message-ID: With all of this talk of synthesizer upgrades, if you are considering adding a K3EXREF while your K3 is open, this is a shameless plug for a very nice Trimble Thunderbolt 10 MHz precision source plug-and-play "appliance" that I have posted on QTH. Thank you. 73, geo - n4ua From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 14 08:07:38 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <45720790-C068-44F4-8C80-691B848779B5@yahoo.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> <45720790-C068-44F4-8C80-691B848779B5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54DF489A.30507@embarqmail.com> The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the package and apply the shipping label. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit? > Just a thought. > > ((((73)))) Milverton > > So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley. > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> >> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 09:10:50 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 07:10:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A shipping cost Message-ID: Don't forget the fuel costs for those of us who drive to/from the PO or UPS facility .... Ken - K0PP ElecraftCovers at gmail.com On Feb 14, 2015 6:08 AM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: > The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of > packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who > take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the package > and apply the shipping label. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > >> Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective >> packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit? >> Just a thought. >> >> ((((73)))) Milverton >> >> So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley. >> >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft < >>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >>> >>> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the >>> KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting >>> .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get >>> $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... >>> >>> Doug -- K0DXV >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Feb 14 09:55:03 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DF489A.30507@embarqmail.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net>, <45720790-C068-44F4-8C80-691B848779B5@yahoo.com>, <54DF489A.30507@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54DF61C7.17447.17472D6@Gary.ka1j.com> I second this. I consider the "handling" part of Shipping and handling to be equivalent to the effort assembling a part & paying the company for doing that. The shipping is a fixed price for a company and the company has to pay staff. Not to charge for that order acceptance and handling time means the company donates that money from their budget and processing that order is a loss for them. I too noticed the cost of shipping when I ordered the two KSYN3A and AM filter but I go back to my earlier post where I said I want Elecraft to succeed and prosper. They can't prosper giving away the order department and shipping department's services. 73, Gary KA1J > The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of > packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who > take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the > package and apply the shipping label. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > > Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit? > > Just a thought. > > > > ((((73)))) Milverton > > > > So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley. > > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > >> > >> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... > >> > >> Doug -- K0DXV > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Feb 14 10:03:06 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:03:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question Message-ID: First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace the synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 - success came on about the 12th try. My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the photos in the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from which it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? Ted, KN1CBR > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >From: Richard Thorpe >To: Elecraft List >Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . > >R Thorpe K6CG > >------------------------------ From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 10:03:21 2015 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:03:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DF61C7.17447.17472D6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <45720790-C068-44F4-8C80-691B848779B5@yahoo.com> <54DF489A.30507@embarqmail.com> <54DF61C7.17447.17472D6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: I also suggest that everyone should consider the other shipping options available. I chose USPS Priority Mail, and it was significantly cheaper than UPS Ground. It pays to look at all the options. 73, Tony K4QE On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > I second this. > > I consider the "handling" part of Shipping and handling to be > equivalent to the effort assembling a part & paying the company for > doing that. The shipping is a fixed price for a company and the > company has to pay staff. Not to charge for that order acceptance and > handling time means the company donates that money from their budget > and processing that order is a loss for them. > > I too noticed the cost of shipping when I ordered the two KSYN3A and > AM filter but I go back to my earlier post where I said I want > Elecraft to succeed and prosper. They can't prosper giving away the > order department and shipping department's services. > > 73, > Gary > KA1J > > > The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of > > packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who > > take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the > > package and apply the shipping label. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > > > Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective > packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit? > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > ((((73)))) Milverton > > > > > > So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley. > > > > > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the > KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting > .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get > $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin.... > > >> > > >> Doug -- K0DXV > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From w9ac at arrl.net Sat Feb 14 10:23:51 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Access to P3 Message-ID: <0FA9EE09B5F0477187C26E29DB6C3AFB@DellXPS> I am looking at ways to bring back P3 panadapter information over the Internet. Programs like VNC, Teamviewer, etc. appear to limit screen refresh to about once per second. That results in a very "choppy" display that's almost useless. Is there a means to bring back near-real-time P3 screen information over the Internet? Since the output of the P3SVGA is designed to feed a video monitor, perhaps we could use a device that converts the P3SVGA output into a format suitable for streaming. Anyone know of such a device that's also bandwidth conscious over an Internet connection? Paul, W9AC --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From kenk3iu at cox.net Sat Feb 14 10:33:29 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:33:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54DF6AC9.2070000@cox.net> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without removing the KRX3 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was > whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace the > synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 > - success came on about the 12th try. > > My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the photos in > the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from which > it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could > we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. > > If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to > reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >> From: Richard Thorpe >> To: Elecraft List >> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >> >> R Thorpe K6CG >> >> ------------------------------ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From w0eb at cox.net Sat Feb 14 10:38:21 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:38:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I looked it over and the only reason you would have to remove the KRX3 is if you had it installed but were only buying one KSYN3A. You must have the same synthesizer installed for both receivers. If you just change out the main receiver's synthesizer, you then must remove both the old 2nd RX synthesizer AND the receiver or you will confuse the K3's MPU and it won't work. That was the gist of the previous thread. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken K3IU" To: "Dauer, Edward" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 2/14/2015 9:33:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >removing the KRX3 >73, Ken K3IU >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>the >>synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the >>K3 >>- success came on about the 12th try. >> >>My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>photos in >>the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>which >>it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. >>Could >>we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >> >>If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >> >> >>Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>From: Richard Thorpe >>>To: Elecraft List >>>Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>>I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>> >>>R Thorpe K6CG >>> >>>------------------------------ >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Feb 14 10:41:32 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:41:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Got it; thanks. I misunderstood the previous message. Ted, KN1CBR On 2/14/15, 8:38 AM, "Jim's Desktop" wrote: > I looked it over and the only reason you would have to remove the KRX3 >is if you had it installed but were only buying one KSYN3A. You must >have the same synthesizer installed for both receivers. If you just >change out the main receiver's synthesizer, you then must remove both >the old 2nd RX synthesizer AND the receiver or you will confuse the K3's >MPU and it won't work. That was the gist of the previous thread. > >Jim - W0EB > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Ken K3IU" >To: "Dauer, Edward" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > >Sent: 2/14/2015 9:33:29 AM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question > >>I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>removing the KRX3 >>73, Ken K3IU >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>the >>>synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the >>>K3 >>>- success came on about the 12th try. >>> >>>My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>photos in >>>the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>which >>>it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. >>>Could >>>we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>> >>>If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>> >>> >>>Ted, KN1CBR >>> >>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>> >>>>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>From: Richard Thorpe >>>>To: Elecraft List >>>>Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>>I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>> >>>>R Thorpe K6CG >>>> >>>>------------------------------ >>>______________________________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>> >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 14 10:49:20 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 07:49:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> An encoder problem? Phil W7OX On 2/14/15 12:53 AM, Bill Turner wrote: > ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:55:13 -0600, Dave wrote: > >> Sounds to me that you have something grabbing big chunks of CPU time. >> What all is plugged into the K3? Clear everything out. See if that >> helps. If so, then replug things until the behavior returns. >> >> 73 de dave >> ab9ca/4 >> > REPLY: > > Even with the computer turned off and the P3 also off, the problem is > still there. In fact it is getting worse. I tried it just now and even > when turning the VFO knob slowly, the frequency display is mostly > frozen, just moving a little intermittently. > > There is nothing else connected to the K3. > > Bill W6WRT From w7hd at msn.com Sat Feb 14 10:50:58 2015 From: w7hd at msn.com (w7hd at msn.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:50:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO leakage on antenna Message-ID: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> Is anyone else experiencing leakage from the VFO via the antenna? I had my FT-2000 on and could hear the KX3 VFO as I tuned near the KX3 operating frequency on the FT-2000. They were on separate antennas about 40 feet apart. Varying the KX3 tuning knob varied the signal on the FT-2000. Ron W7HD -- Sent with Postbox From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 11:01:40 2015 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:01:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO leakage on antenna In-Reply-To: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> References: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> Message-ID: Turn on menu item rx iso Regards Brian VE3IBW On Feb 14, 2015 10:51 AM, "w7hd at msn.com" wrote: > Is anyone else experiencing leakage from the VFO via the antenna? > I had my FT-2000 on and could hear the KX3 VFO as I tuned near the KX3 > operating frequency on the FT-2000. They were on separate antennas about > 40 feet apart. Varying the KX3 tuning knob varied the signal on the > FT-2000. > > Ron W7HD > > -- > Sent with Postbox > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Feb 14 11:08:01 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Access to P3 Message-ID: <0NJR00ETXRHEI1A0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Hi TeamViewer works very well. If you are only getting 1 frame a second then something is very wrong or are you running at 56k_-)? Tom va2fsq.com On Feb 14, 2015 10:23 AM, Paul Christensen wrote: > > I am looking at ways to bring back P3 panadapter information over the Internet.? Programs like VNC, Teamviewer, etc. appear to limit screen refresh to about once per second.? That results in a very "choppy" display that's almost useless.??? > > Is there a means to bring back near-real-time P3 screen information over the Internet?? Since the output of the P3SVGA is designed to feed a video monitor, perhaps we could use a device that converts the P3SVGA output into a format suitable for streaming.? > > Anyone know of such a device that's also bandwidth conscious over an Internet connection? > > Paul, W9AC > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 14 11:27:01 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the front panel board, either of them. If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the contacts. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 07:49:20 -0800, you wrote: >An encoder problem? > >Phil W7OX > >On 2/14/15 12:53 AM, Bill Turner wrote: >> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) >> >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:55:13 -0600, Dave wrote: >> >>> Sounds to me that you have something grabbing big chunks of CPU time. >>> What all is plugged into the K3? Clear everything out. See if that >>> helps. If so, then replug things until the behavior returns. >>> >>> 73 de dave >>> ab9ca/4 >>> >> REPLY: >> >> Even with the computer turned off and the P3 also off, the problem is >> still there. In fact it is getting worse. I tried it just now and even >> when turning the VFO knob slowly, the frequency display is mostly >> frozen, just moving a little intermittently. >> >> There is nothing else connected to the K3. >> >> Bill W6WRT > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From w0eb at cox.net Sat Feb 14 11:37:59 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:37:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FW Beta 5.10 Message-ID: Just got around to installing 5.10. Good thing I remembered Wayne's caveat to re-run the power calibration routines in the K3 Utility as I have a tendency to forge ahead without reading the "release notes" that carefully. I had been having a few minor power output glitches when running the KPA500 amp, and the re-run of the 50 watt power out cleared those glitches up nicely. Probably the newer FW had somewhat to do with it also. I'd been putting the upgrade off as everything was working well enough for my operating style until I recently ordered the KSYN3A modules and I realized the latest FW rev I had was 5.01 so I figured I'd better upgrade to 5.10 at least. Looking forward to the arrival of the new synthesizers, especially with the faster QSK switch times so I won't have to lose SPLIT when sending QRQ (my version of QRQ is only around 45 wpm as with my Tinnitus everything blurs beyond 45). I used to be able to run 60+ and there is one guy (will remain nameless) who always calls me at 60+ when I call CQ and refuses to slow down to where I can copy him. He seems to think he's helping me get faster but that's medically impossible now. Jim - W0EB From w9ac at arrl.net Sat Feb 14 11:58:34 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:58:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Access to P3 References: <0NJR00ETXRHEI1A0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <9D4A38F578F149FAA1778C7477CC37CA@DellXPS> Just compared Real VNC with TeamViewer (TV) over local LAN. (TV) is faster and pretty much usable. Not so for Real VNC. Looks like the AverMedia Broadcaster video capture card (per Tom's input) is the best option although for the price, I'm not sure value is there. I can see why some folks are opting for simple web cams. The reality is that options are definitely limited. Thanks to all for the feedback. Paul, W9AC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Blahovici" To: "Paul Christensen" Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote Access to P3 > Hi > TeamViewer works very well. If you are only getting 1 frame a second then > something is very wrong or are you running at 56k_-)? > Tom > va2fsq.com > > On Feb 14, 2015 10:23 AM, Paul Christensen wrote: >> >> I am looking at ways to bring back P3 panadapter information over the >> Internet. Programs like VNC, Teamviewer, etc. appear to limit screen >> refresh to about once per second. That results in a very "choppy" display >> that's almost useless. >> >> Is there a means to bring back near-real-time P3 screen information over >> the Internet? Since the output of the P3SVGA is designed to feed a video >> monitor, perhaps we could use a device that converts the P3SVGA output >> into a format suitable for streaming. >> >> Anyone know of such a device that's also bandwidth conscious over an >> Internet connection? >> >> Paul, W9AC >> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From dezrat at outlook.com Sat Feb 14 12:18:10 2015 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:18:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I think you are on to something, Matt. On a hunch, I performed a "percussive reset" as NASA calls it. I lifted the front on the K3 about an inch and dropped it. The problem went away for now. When it comes back, I will do as you suggest. Many thanks to all who replied. Bill W6WRT ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800, you wrote: >I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B >encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the >front panel board, either of them. > >If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board >contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the >front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the >contacts. > >73, >matt >W6NIA From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 14 12:24:32 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:24:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Percussive resets are well-known for finding a general problem area. They don't localize it, but it's a start. Good luck with this. An encoder board "SOL" problem happened to me about five years ago, and I followed the same advice I gave you (which came from someone else). :} 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:18:10 -0800, you wrote: >I think you are on to something, Matt. On a hunch, I performed a >"percussive reset" as NASA calls it. I lifted the front on the K3 >about an inch and dropped it. The problem went away for now. When it >comes back, I will do as you suggest. > >Many thanks to all who replied. > >Bill W6WRT > > >------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) > >On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800, you wrote: > >>I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B >>encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the >>front panel board, either of them. >> >>If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board >>contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the >>front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the >>contacts. >> >>73, >>matt >>W6NIA >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From radioham at mchsi.com Sat Feb 14 12:29:09 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:29:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com> This was a standard technique used by TV repairmen back in the days of tube consoles and house calls. For intermittent problems one waited until the owner left the room then lifted up one side about 6 inches and let it drop. Usually either fixed the problem or caused a hard fault that could be troubleshot. Now the owner just buys a new TV. David K0LUM On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Bill Turner wrote: > I think you are on to something, Matt. On a hunch, I performed a > "percussive reset" as NASA calls it. I lifted the front on the K3 > about an inch and dropped it. The problem went away for now. When it > comes back, I will do as you suggest. > > Many thanks to all who replied. > > Bill W6WRT > > > ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800, you wrote: > >> I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B >> encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the >> front panel board, either of them. >> >> If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board >> contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the >> front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the >> contacts. >> >> 73, >> matt >> W6NIA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com From w9ac at arrl.net Sat Feb 14 12:41:45 2015 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Access to P3 References: <0NJR009B9R9MC360@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <32BC302CC5B94770B2ECBD325D8AEBFF@DellXPS> Had a thought - I already own an SDR-IQ with SpecrtaVue software. Tried it with TeamViewer and it works well. No expensive video capture card needed. SpectraVue has basic point and click frequency change. Options are not quite as integrated when compared to the P3, but perfectly adequate for our remote station. Paul, W9AC --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 12:42:21 2015 From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:42:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] looking for old style sub-receiver, maybe... Message-ID: Since I was going to add the sub rcvr to my K3 SN 8760 kit (now building) later this year, it occurs to me I might want to expedite purchase of new or old. RSVP off list if you have and old style sub ready to sell and we'll talk. I will have to work out how that might affect warranty, though. 73, chuck -- de AB1VL NAQCC #6799 ab1vl.com From w6ux at ymail.com Sat Feb 14 12:48:53 2015 From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall, W6UX) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 09:48:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI Message-ID: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials. I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting. Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency. I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter. The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes. However the beads did not help with the wire vertical. I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode. If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated. I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3. However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU. I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack. Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500. Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500. I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical. The vertical wire is from W8AMZ. I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point. I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna. The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? 73, Jeff W6UX From n4rp at n4rp.com Sat Feb 14 12:34:04 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com> References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> My grandfather (Ex K4GF, SK) was a TV repairman during the tube TV era. The most common fault requiring a house call was the housewife not plugging the TV back in after she unplugged it to vacuum.... 73, Ross N4RP On 2/14/2015 12:29 PM, David Christ wrote: > This was a standard technique used by TV repairmen back in the days of tube consoles and house calls. For intermittent problems one waited until the owner left the room then lifted up one side about 6 inches and let it drop. Usually either fixed the problem or caused a hard fault that could be troubleshot. Now the owner just buys a new TV. > > David K0LUM > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Bill Turner wrote: > >> I think you are on to something, Matt. On a hunch, I performed a >> "percussive reset" as NASA calls it. I lifted the front on the K3 >> about an inch and dropped it. The problem went away for now. When it >> comes back, I will do as you suggest. >> >> Many thanks to all who replied. >> >> Bill W6WRT >> >> >> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) >> >> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800, you wrote: >> >>> I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B >>> encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the >>> front panel board, either of them. >>> >>> If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board >>> contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the >>> front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the >>> contacts. >>> >>> 73, >>> matt >>> W6NIA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Feb 14 13:06:47 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:06:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> Message-ID: <54DF8EB7.10703@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,2/14/2015 9:48 AM, Jeff Hall, W6UX wrote: > can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? Yes. The problem is that ferrite beads slipped onto a transmission line does NOT make an effective common mode choke. Those beads are inductive, and, depending on the length of the line and the operating frequency, many lines look capacitive. The inductance resonates with the capacitance, and the common mode current increases. To be effective as a common mode choke, we need a high value of common mode impedance, and the best way to get there is with a high value of RESISTANCE. We obtain that by forming a low-Q parallel resonant circuit -- we wind multiple turns of the feedline through a lossy ferrite toroid or clamp-on. The number of turns needed depends on the ferrite material and the operating frequency. The best ferrite material for the HF bands is Fair-Rite #31, because it has the lowest effective Q over the widest frequency range. Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and use the Cookbook as a guide to wind the chokes you need. The chokes are most effective at the feedpoint of your antennas. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 13:08:08 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:08:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> Message-ID: <54DF8F08.1020908@gmail.com> Don't know what kind of ferrite beads you are using, but many are intended for VHF use and are not helpful at HF. Also, it is usually ineffective to just put a bead on the coax -- you should wrap multiple turns through a large toroid. Good ferrite materials for HF are #31 for 1.8-7 mHz and #43 for 14-30 mHz. Either one would probably work fine for both antennas. > have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which > causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is > transmitting. Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp > beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and > frequency. I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter. The > problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. > > 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the > power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully > operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes. However the beads > did not help with the wire vertical. I can drive 300w into my dummy > load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. > > The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run > the KAT500 in bypass mode. If I put it in Auto mode the problem is > exacerbated. I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 > in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3. However, if I try > to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to > power cycle. > > I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly > to the K3's internal ATU. I observed that in this configuration, I > could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even > connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode > RF issue in the shack. Somehow noise is finding its way into the > KAT500. Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few > ferrite beads hasn't helped either. > > I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how > things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500. I would > like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band > edges of the wire vertical. > > The vertical wire is from W8AMZ. I don't believe there is any kind > of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite > beads over the coax at the feed point. I'm running 100' of RG8X to > this antenna. The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. > > So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire > antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. > > Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further > experiments to try? > > 73, Jeff W6UX -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From bsusb at k5dkz.com Sat Feb 14 13:14:03 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:14:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Hardware upgrades Message-ID: <54DF906B.7060700@k5dkz.com> After reading all the mail on the synthesizer upgrade I am wondering if there are any more hardware upgrades planed in the forseeable future. If so I would prefer to wait for them to happen before I order my factory built KX3. From wb6rse1 at mac.com Sat Feb 14 13:17:58 2015 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:17:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com> <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> Message-ID: The charge was $100. ?$100?? the TV owner questioned. ?All you did was plug it in.? Repairman: ?That was $5. The other $95 was for knowing what to do.? 73 - Steve WB6RSE > On Feb 14, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > My grandfather (Ex K4GF, SK) was a TV repairman during the tube TV era. The most common fault requiring a house call was the housewife not plugging the TV back in after she unplugged it to vacuum.... > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Feb 14 13:47:50 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:47:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO leakage on antenna In-Reply-To: References: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> Message-ID: Yes -- this should do the trick. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Brian Waterworth wrote: > Turn on menu item rx iso > > Regards > Brian > VE3IBW > On Feb 14, 2015 10:51 AM, "w7hd at msn.com" wrote: > >> Is anyone else experiencing leakage from the VFO via the antenna? >> I had my FT-2000 on and could hear the KX3 VFO as I tuned near the KX3 >> operating frequency on the FT-2000. They were on separate antennas about >> 40 feet apart. Varying the KX3 tuning knob varied the signal on the >> FT-2000. >> >> Ron W7HD >> >> -- >> Sent with Postbox >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Feb 14 13:50:49 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> References: , <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com>, <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <54DF9909.8654.50981B@Gary.ka1j.com> My father, W1BML used to repair TVs and radios after his work was over back in the 50's in PA, he was the go to guy back then to have electronics repaired (was W8QXF & then W3QXF when the area changed). I remember going with him on a house call and the unplugged TV was the problem. He wouldn't charge her & told me on the way home it was good PR & why that was worth more than the money that house call would be. He never lacked for business. 73, Gary KA1J > My grandfather (Ex K4GF, SK) was a TV repairman during the tube TV era. > The most common fault requiring a house call was the housewife not > plugging the TV back in after she unplugged it to vacuum.... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > On 2/14/2015 12:29 PM, David Christ wrote: > > This was a standard technique used by TV repairmen back in the days of tube consoles and house calls. For intermittent problems one waited until the owner left the room then lifted up one side about 6 inches and let it drop. Usually either fixed the problem or caused a hard fault that could be troubleshot. Now the owner just buys a new TV. > > > > David K0LUM > > > > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Bill Turner wrote: > > > >> I think you are on to something, Matt. On a hunch, I performed a > >> "percussive reset" as NASA calls it. I lifted the front on the K3 > >> about an inch and dropped it. The problem went away for now. When it > >> comes back, I will do as you suggest. > >> > >> Many thanks to all who replied. > >> > >> Bill W6WRT > >> > >> > >> ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) > >> > >> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 08:27:01 -0800, you wrote: > >> > >>> I would suggest it's worth the time to swap the VFO A and VFO B > >>> encoder boards. It could be the encoder itself or its contacts to the > >>> front panel board, either of them. > >>> > >>> If you take this course, you might want to check the encoder board > >>> contacts on each of them, and also take a look at the contacts on the > >>> front panel board. There may be some corrosion, dust, etc. on the > >>> contacts. > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> matt > >>> W6NIA > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to radioham at mchsi.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n4rp at n4rp.com > > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) "At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications." > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w6ux at ymail.com Sat Feb 14 13:56:54 2015 From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <54DF8EB7.10703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54DF8EB7.10703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1164828365.3217251.1423940214284.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jim, I'll give it a read and order up some mix-31 toroids. Does it surprise you the KAT500 is getting power cycled as I described? Is it really that sensitive? 10 of the ferrite beads I got from DXStore (rated for 150MHz or lower) work fine for 10m-20m. But no dice on 40m, so I guess the frequency is just too low for them to be effective (or perhaps I'd need like 50 of the suckers!) -Jeff On Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On Sat,2/14/2015 9:48 AM, Jeff Hall, W6UX wrote: > can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? Yes. The problem is that ferrite beads slipped onto a transmission line does NOT make an effective common mode choke. Those beads are inductive, and, depending on the length of the line and the operating frequency, many lines look capacitive. The inductance resonates with the capacitance, and the common mode current increases. To be effective as a common mode choke, we need a high value of common mode impedance, and the best way to get there is with a high value of RESISTANCE. We obtain that by forming a low-Q parallel resonant circuit -- we wind multiple turns of the feedline through a lossy ferrite toroid or clamp-on. The number of turns needed depends on the ferrite material and the operating frequency. The best ferrite material for the HF bands is Fair-Rite #31, because it has the lowest effective Q over the widest frequency range. Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and use the Cookbook as a guide to wind the chokes you need. The chokes are most effective at the feedpoint of your antennas. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w6ux at ymail.com From n4ua.va at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 14:00:00 2015 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:00:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3EXREF upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Trimble has found a new home; thanks to all. 73, geo - n4ua ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Dubovsky Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:30 AM Subject: K3EXREF upgrade To: Elecraft Reflector With all of this talk of synthesizer upgrades, if you are considering adding a K3EXREF while your K3 is open, this is a shameless plug for a very nice Trimble Thunderbolt 10 MHz precision source plug-and-play "appliance" that I have posted on QTH. Thank you. 73, geo - n4ua From raysills3 at verizon.net Sat Feb 14 14:00:17 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> Message-ID: 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds, so it might be possible to -mail- the new board and not use UPS. The postal service would be cheaper, but you'd have to add insurance, so the price might be a toss-up vs. UPS. If the board would fit into a small Priority Mail box, (likely), the cost would be less than First Class. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:28 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the > KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package > weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service > through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. > Just sayin.... > > Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Feb 14 14:00:13 2015 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (goldtr8 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:00:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI Message-ID: <3b64ae2c.1b6dd3.14b89766a12.Webtop.48@charter.net> Hi Jeff does not suprise me. Read the link in Jims email single beads do not cut it. ~73 Don KD8NNU FH#4107 -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Jeff Hall wrote: > Thanks Jim, I'll give it a read and order up some mix-31 toroids. > Does it surprise you the KAT500 is getting power cycled as I > described? Is it really that sensitive? 10 of the ferrite beads I got > from DXStore (rated for 150MHz or lower) work fine for 10m-20m. But no > dice on 40m, so I guess the frequency is just too low for them to be > effective (or perhaps I'd need like 50 of the suckers!) > -Jeff > > > > On Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:06 AM, Jim Brown > wrote: > On Sat,2/14/2015 9:48 AM, Jeff Hall, W6UX wrote: >> can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? > > Yes. The problem is that ferrite beads slipped onto a transmission > line does NOT make an effective common mode choke. Those beads are > inductive, and, depending on the length of the line and the operating > frequency, many lines look capacitive. The inductance resonates with > the capacitance, and the common mode current increases. > > To be effective as a common mode choke, we need a high value of common > mode impedance, and the best way to get there is with a high value of > RESISTANCE. We obtain that by forming a low-Q parallel resonant > circuit -- we wind multiple turns of the feedline through a lossy > ferrite toroid or clamp-on. The number of turns needed depends on the > ferrite material and the operating frequency. The best ferrite > material for the HF bands is Fair-Rite #31, because it has the lowest > effective Q over the widest frequency range. > > Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and use the Cookbook as a guide to wind > the chokes you need. The chokes are most effective at the feedpoint of > your antennas. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6ux at ymail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Sat Feb 14 14:12:46 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:12:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Further K3 development In-Reply-To: <54DE5B88.7080303@subich.com> References: <1832894004.2615169.1423833449399.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <196012B082EE4F9DAEAF12449A5F50A6@terryhar2e4dae> <8E45BED84A6C4642BACF53BD086ECE19@DOUG1> <000a01d047b7$67c586d0$37509470$@com> <54DE5B88.7080303@subich.com> Message-ID: <000c01d0488a$383c5870$a8b50950$@com> Joe I had been looking at that but it doesn't have D-Star and I have been a user for several years was the icing on the cake that made my beloved FT-847 to be sold. I have 2m in my K3 but the IC-9100 is my preferred 2/6m all mode for that bands, I use my KPA500 for 6-160m with this radio also works like a charm. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Further K3 development On 2015-02-13 1:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > Most all Elecraft gear here as far as radios except for an IC-9100 > which there are no replacements for. No Elecraft replacement for ... I plan to look carefully at the FT-991 tomorrow (Orlando Hamcation) as it seems to cover all the bases except for 1.2 GHz. It would give me an excuse to replace both my token Yaesu (FT-2000) and Icom (IC-706mkIIg) rigs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 14:32:45 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1069158448.671322.1423942365537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I found that installing the sub reciever is a lot easier with the handle side of the K3 removed. From: "Dauer, Edward" To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:03 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace the synths.? I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 - success came on about the 12th try. My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the photos in the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from which it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3.? Could we confirm whether R&R is required?? Message below says it is. If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? Ted, KN1CBR > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >From: Richard Thorpe >To: Elecraft List >Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board.? . . . > >R Thorpe K6CG > >------------------------------ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ormandj at corenode.com Sat Feb 14 14:36:05 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:36:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO leakage on antenna In-Reply-To: References: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> Message-ID: Glad this thread popped up, noticed this earlier when out portable with a friend (or rather, he noticed it); this setting fixed it entirely. I'll keep it off unless needed as the manual seems to indicate that's the right way to go. Thank you, David On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Yes -- this should do the trick. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Brian Waterworth > wrote: > > > Turn on menu item rx iso > > > > Regards > > Brian > > VE3IBW > > On Feb 14, 2015 10:51 AM, "w7hd at msn.com" wrote: > > > >> Is anyone else experiencing leakage from the VFO via the antenna? > >> I had my FT-2000 on and could hear the KX3 VFO as I tuned near the KX3 > >> operating frequency on the FT-2000. They were on separate antennas > about > >> 40 feet apart. Varying the KX3 tuning knob varied the signal on the > >> FT-2000. > >> > >> Ron W7HD > >> > >> -- > >> Sent with Postbox > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Feb 14 14:49:04 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 11:49:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <1069158448.671322.1423942365537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1069158448.671322.1423942365537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D3EFACA-B8B1-4487-BD9E-0775B202B1BF@elecraft.com> Definitely. I believe that's in the instructions. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I found that installing the sub reciever is a lot easier with the handle side of the K3 removed. > > > > > From: "Dauer, Edward" > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 10:03 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question > > > First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was > whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace the > synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 > - success came on about the 12th try. > > My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the photos in > the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from which > it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could > we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. > > If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to > reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >> From: Richard Thorpe >> To: Elecraft List >> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >> >> R Thorpe K6CG >> >> ------------------------------ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From PKA at telepost.gl Sat Feb 14 14:52:36 2015 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:52:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> Message-ID: Does this mean that your KAT is placed between the K3 and the KPA? OZ4UN Sendt fra min iPhone > Den 14/02/2015 kl. 18.49 skrev Jeff Hall, W6UX : > > by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500. From radioham at mchsi.com Sat Feb 14 15:16:20 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:16:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> Message-ID: Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town. $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. David K0LUM On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,?. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 From n6axjohn at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 15:17:09 2015 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:17:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FS P3SVGA Message-ID: Decided to clear off the desk space taken by the additional monitor so am offering for sale my P3SVGA plug in external SVGA adapter.........loved the big screen but just not enough room on my operating desk. P3SSVGA adapter retails for $279.00, this one includes latest firmware download and works perfectly and is guaranteed to do so for you. Will ship in continental USA for $240.00 insured shipping. Handled (always) using all appropriate ESD protection measures. Just plug in, and plug in your external SVGA monitor and away you go...includes external keyboard capability with USB connector (keyboard not included) Thanks for looking John, N6AX From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Feb 14 15:19:29 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:19:29 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Message-ID: <54DFADD1.60509@horizon.co.fk> Hi, Occasionally DXpeds lose their split setting which causes chaos when running a pile. The usual comment is it's a K3 thing. The question is why is it? I use Logger32 and when I click on a spot whilst in split mode, the K3 QSYs and split is cancelled. At first I thought it was because that Config: SPLT SV was NO so I changed it to YES but this didn't make any difference. Certainly I could change band and return and split was indeed saved. Next I put the K3 in split and then entered a frequency in the same band in the L32 log entry window, the K3 QSYed and split cancelled. Next restored split and entered a frequency from the K3 keypad, split stayed on. OK, looked at what was happening on the com port serving the K3. When L32 sends the frequency to the K3 it prefixes it with FR0 which according to the programmers reference cancels split mode. So the response of the K3 was to be expected. A typical example is: Set Radio Freq/Mode: FR0;00018160000;MD2;FA0018160000; No idea what other software does in these circumstances. However, if popular DXped software, N1MM or the like does something similar it will be easy for a DXped operator to unknowingly and unnoticed cancel split and go walkabout whilst tuning the pileup. Clearly FR0 is a useful command, I use it in an RTTY macro to cancel split. I guess that the L32 development team assume that if you enter a QSY you intend to come out of split so include the FR0, reasonable I guess for a home operation. Users of alternative applications might wish to conduct the same tests. The simple answer is better cockpit drill by the DXped operator. But even having set up the correct band/mode/filter/antenna etc it is still easy to accidentally cancel split under pressure, it's a K3 thing, is it? Have I missed something? Your thoughts please gentlemen, Mike VP8NO From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 15:22:14 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? Message-ID: <1975104630.700918.1423945334597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Is there an easy way to make the KAT500 automatically go into Bypass when outside of the Ham Bands? Thank you From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Feb 14 15:25:49 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:25:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO leakage on antenna In-Reply-To: References: <54DF6EE2.5050504@msn.com> Message-ID: <444E79F1-0ECC-4CA6-A225-98D0E343C912@wunderwood.org> The RX ISO preamp draws a bit more current than the regular preamp, so it defaults to off to preserve battery life. As far as I know, that is the only negative. KX3 models after the mid-2000 serial numbers also have a filter on the BNC to knock down some leakage in the VHF range. Mine has it ? the tiniest toroid I?ve ever seen. Details about that upgrade for older KX3?s are here: http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:36 AM, David Orman wrote: > Glad this thread popped up, noticed this earlier when out portable with a > friend (or rather, he noticed it); this setting fixed it entirely. I'll > keep it off unless needed as the manual seems to indicate that's the right > way to go. > > Thank you, > David > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Yes -- this should do the trick. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Brian Waterworth >> wrote: >> >>> Turn on menu item rx iso >>> >>> Regards >>> Brian >>> VE3IBW >>> On Feb 14, 2015 10:51 AM, "w7hd at msn.com" wrote: >>> >>>> Is anyone else experiencing leakage from the VFO via the antenna? >>>> I had my FT-2000 on and could hear the KX3 VFO as I tuned near the KX3 >>>> operating frequency on the FT-2000. They were on separate antennas >> about >>>> 40 feet apart. Varying the KX3 tuning knob varied the signal on the >>>> FT-2000. >>>> >>>> Ron W7HD >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent with Postbox >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 14 15:36:10 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:36:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> Message-ID: <54DFB1BA.6050306@subich.com> > Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to > Alaska or Hawaii. Actually, a Padded Flat Rate Envelope is a real bargain for many uses. It's an 8 1/2" x 11" edge loading bubble pack envelope that will often hold two or three 1" thick small boxes suitable for the K3SYNTH, PR6, PR10, XG3, etc. The envelopes are truly flat rate and will take whatever you can stuff into them without regard to thickness, etc. as long as the envelope remains intact. The Padded Flat Rate Envelope is much more flexible than the traditional "document" or the "Legal" Flat Rate envelopes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-14 3:16 PM, David Christ wrote: > Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town. > > $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. > > > David K0LUM > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,?. >> >> 73 de Ray >> K2ULR >> KX3 #211 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 14 15:38:26 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <54DF6AC9.2070000@cox.net> References: <54DF6AC9.2070000@cox.net> Message-ID: <54DFB242.7080206@subich.com> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if the KRX3 is in place. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: > I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without > removing the KRX3 > 73, Ken K3IU > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >> the >> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >> - success came on about the 12th try. >> >> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >> photos in >> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >> which >> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >> >> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >> >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>> From: Richard Thorpe >>> To: Elecraft List >>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>> >>> R Thorpe K6CG >>> >>> ------------------------------ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 14 15:46:10 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split In-Reply-To: <54DFADD1.60509@horizon.co.fk> References: <54DFADD1.60509@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <54DFB412.6000502@subich.com> > But even having set up the correct band/mode/filter/antenna etc it is > still easy to accidentally cancel split under pressure, it's a K3 > thing, is it? No, it's a programmer thing ... the same thing happens with Yaesu (new) and Kenwood rigs and DX4Win sends a split off before the frequency command with those rigs as well. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-14 3:19 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > Hi, > > Occasionally DXpeds lose their split setting which causes chaos when > running a pile. The usual comment is it's a K3 thing. The question is > why is it? > > I use Logger32 and when I click on a spot whilst in split mode, the K3 > QSYs and split is cancelled. > > At first I thought it was because that Config: SPLT SV was NO so I > changed it to YES but this didn't make any difference. Certainly I > could change band and return and split was indeed saved. > > Next I put the K3 in split and then entered a frequency in the same band > in the L32 log entry window, the K3 QSYed and split cancelled. > > Next restored split and entered a frequency from the K3 keypad, split > stayed on. > > OK, looked at what was happening on the com port serving the K3. When > L32 sends the frequency to the K3 it prefixes it with FR0 which > according to the programmers reference cancels split mode. So the > response of the K3 was to be expected. A typical example is: > > Set Radio Freq/Mode: FR0;00018160000;MD2;FA0018160000; > > No idea what other software does in these circumstances. However, if > popular DXped software, N1MM or the like does something similar it will > be easy for a DXped operator to unknowingly and unnoticed cancel split > and go walkabout whilst tuning the pileup. > > Clearly FR0 is a useful command, I use it in an RTTY macro to cancel > split. I guess that the L32 development team assume that if you enter a > QSY you intend to come out of split so include the FR0, reasonable I > guess for a home operation. Users of alternative applications might > wish to conduct the same tests. > > The simple answer is better cockpit drill by the DXped operator. But > even having set up the correct band/mode/filter/antenna etc it is still > easy to accidentally cancel split under pressure, it's a K3 thing, is it? > > Have I missed something? > > Your thoughts please gentlemen, > > Mike VP8NO > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w1ksz at earthlink.net Sat Feb 14 15:47:16 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:47:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> Message-ID: <54DFB454.3010602@earthlink.net> If you are shipping short distances (next state or two), the Regional Rate method is even cheaper. I sent a Medium size box from Tucson to San Diego for under $6. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/14/2015 1:16 PM, David Christ wrote: > Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town. > > $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. > > > David K0LUM > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,?. >> >> 73 de Ray >> K2ULR >> KX3 #211 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 15:57:30 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <884678978.3273636.1423947450444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Johhny, I'll probably get flamed for saying this, or someone more knowledgeable that I will point out how ignorant I am, but here is my layperson's understanding of this issue: Assuming a MDS of -128 dbm, and an S9 signal equivalent to -73 dbm, IMD will begin to be a problem when two out of passband signals combine as follows: IMDDR ? ? ?Signal causing IMD = Noise Floor 55 db ? ?S960 db ? ?S9 plus 5 db65 db ? ?S9 plus 10 db70 db ? ?S9 plus 15 db75 db ? ?S9 plus 20 db80 db ? ?S9 plus 25 db85 db ? ?S9 plus 30 db90 db ? ?S9 plus 35 db95 db ? ?S9 plus 40 db100 db ? ?S9 plus 45 db105 db ? ?S9 plus 50 db You can see that if your rig has an IMDDR of 90 db, it would take a signal S9 + 35 db before you would likely notice any adverse affects from IMD caused by two out of passband signals (at the required spacing). So, a person who has a rig with an IMDDR of say 95 db would only notice an improvement in the IMDDR when they are exposed to two out of band signals causing an IMD product when those signals are more than S9 plus 40 db. ?The question you need to ask yourself is, how often are you faced with that situation? ?The constant pursuit for improved IMD performance, it seems to me, is a worthy goal, but whether it benefits a particlar amature operator depends on whether he or she is faced with two out of passband signals that combine with the spacing required to cause an IMD product in his or her rig, AND the number of times those signals are sufficiently strong to exceed the IMDDR of their rig. ?For some contestants, this is a BIG factor, but for other folks it rarely matters. It all depends on your operating environment.... I'm am sure this is not 100 correct, as I am not an engineer, but you should get the general idea ? 73, Bob/AA6VB From: Johnny Siu To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:19 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) I must admit?that?understanding those figures are beyond my knowledge.? In practical terms, if I can now hear a?below S1 cw weak signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be the improvement?after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating under the same condition? Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851.? Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable layman terms? 73 Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 ?? ? ? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? Elecraft Reflector ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) ? Hi all, I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. * * * Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. * * * The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 16:01:39 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] IMDDR Explained in Layman's Terms Message-ID: <917676663.3280318.1423947699296.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Johhny, I'll probably get flamed for saying this, or someone more knowledgeable that I will point out how ignorant I am, but here is my layperson's understanding of this issue: Assuming a MDS of -128 dbm, and an S9 signal equivalent to -73 dbm, IMD will begin to be a problem when two out of passband signals combine as follows: IMDDR ? ? ?Signal causing IMD = Noise Floor 55 db ? ?S960 db ? ?S9 plus 5 db65 db ? ?S9 plus 10 db70 db ? ?S9 plus 15 db75 db ? ?S9 plus 20 db80 db ? ?S9 plus 25 db85 db ? ?S9 plus 30 db90 db ? ?S9 plus 35 db95 db ? ?S9 plus 40 db100 db ? ?S9 plus 45 db105 db ? ?S9 plus 50 db You can see that if your rig has an IMDDR of 90 db, it would take a signal S9 + 35 db before you would likely notice any adverse affects from IMD caused by two out of passband signals (at the required spacing). So, a person who has a rig with an IMDDR of say 95 db would only notice an improvement in the IMDDR when they are exposed to two out of band signals causing an IMD product when those signals are more than S9 plus 40 db. ?The question you need to ask yourself is, how often are you faced with that situation? ?The constant pursuit for improved IMD performance, it seems to me, is a worthy goal, but whether it benefits a particlar amature operator depends on whether he or she is faced with two out of passband signals that combine with the spacing required to cause an IMD product in his or her rig, AND the number of times those signals are sufficiently strong to exceed the IMDDR of their rig. ?For some contestants, this is a BIG factor, but for other folks it rarely matters. It all depends on your operating environment.... I'm am sure this is not 100 correct, as I am not an engineer, but you should get the general idea ? 73, Bob/AA6VB From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 16:07:53 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <884678978.3273636.1423947450444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <884678978.3273636.1423947450444.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <944707490.3268897.1423948073727.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The table got compressed. Let me try again -? IMDDR ? ? ?Signal causing IMD = Noise Floor 55 db ? ?????S9 60 db ? ?????S9 plus 5 db 65 db ? ?????S9 plus 10 db 70 db ? ?????S9 plus 15 db 75 db ? ?????S9 plus 20 db 80 db ? ?????S9 plus 25 db 85 db ? ?????S9 plus 30 db 90 db ? ?????S9 plus 35 db 95 db ? ?????S9 plus 40 db 100 db ? ?????S9 plus 45 db 105 db ? ?????S9 plus 50 db From: Chortek Bob via Elecraft To: Johnny Siu ; Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) Hi Johhny, I'll probably get flamed for saying this, or someone more knowledgeable that I will point out how ignorant I am, but here is my layperson's understanding of this issue: Assuming a MDS of -128 dbm, and an S9 signal equivalent to -73 dbm, IMD will begin to be a problem when two out of passband signals combine as follows: IMDDR ? ? ?Signal causing IMD = Noise Floor 55 db ? ?S960 db ? ?S9 plus 5 db65 db ? ?S9 plus 10 db70 db ? ?S9 plus 15 db75 db ? ?S9 plus 20 db80 db ? ?S9 plus 25 db85 db ? ?S9 plus 30 db90 db ? ?S9 plus 35 db95 db ? ?S9 plus 40 db100 db ? ?S9 plus 45 db105 db ? ?S9 plus 50 db You can see that if your rig has an IMDDR of 90 db, it would take a signal S9 + 35 db before you would likely notice any adverse affects from IMD caused by two out of passband signals (at the required spacing). So, a person who has a rig with an IMDDR of say 95 db would only notice an improvement in the IMDDR when they are exposed to two out of band signals causing an IMD product when those signals are more than S9 plus 40 db. ?The question you need to ask yourself is, how often are you faced with that situation? ?The constant pursuit for improved IMD performance, it seems to me, is a worthy goal, but whether it benefits a particlar amature operator depends on whether he or she is faced with two out of passband signals that combine with the spacing required to cause an IMD product in his or her rig, AND the number of times those signals are sufficiently strong to exceed the IMDDR of their rig. ?For some contestants, this is a BIG factor, but for other folks it rarely matters. It all depends on your operating environment.... I'm am sure this is not 100 correct, as I am not an engineer, but you should get the general idea ? 73, Bob/AA6VB ? ? ? From: Johnny Siu To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:19 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) ? I must admit?that?understanding those figures are beyond my knowledge.? In practical terms, if I can now hear a?below S1 cw weak signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be the improvement?after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating under the same condition? Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851.? Again, IC7850 is known foir extremely low phase noise. Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable layman terms? 73 Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 ?? ? ? ???? Wayne Burdick ???? Elecraft Reflector ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) ? Hi all, I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, NC0B. * * * Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 when using the new synthesizer? A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, though there are many factors, and this should be considered approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained the following results: ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB ? ? 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his full suite of tests. * * * The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Sat Feb 14 16:16:18 2015 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:16:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Items up for sale Message-ID: I have the following items up for sale 1) LP PAN and E MU 2020 for the K3 complete with cables as well as power cable for LP PAN with Anderson connector on it, quality USB cable for 0202 and coax jumper for LP Pan to K3 or P3. 2) Rigrunner 4005 3) Balun design 1:1 balun 4) Mini circuits ZSC 2 2+ great item if you have the sub receiver in your K3. At the blog link below there is a link that explains how this unit can be used with the sub rec. 5) KX3 PCKT cables never used. 6) QRPometer 7) Spare K3 VFO A and B knobs. For pictures and prices go to my blog at this link http://ve3wdm.blogspot.ca/2015/02/im-putting-some-items-up-for-sale.html If you have any questions please email Thanks Mike Weir VE3WDM From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat Feb 14 16:22:19 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:22:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: <54DFB1BA.6050306@subich.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> <54DFB1BA.6050306@subich.com> Message-ID: <9C950C06-285C-4B6C-93EE-65B77AEB3EE7@tx.rr.com> I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping costs. We?ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling about a few bucks on shipping. I?m not a terribly sophisticated user of my K3 compared to some of you, but my K3 has all of the available options, all of the mods installed, and the latest revs of everything (I know about). I have two of the new KSYN boards ordered. Last thing I worried about when I placed the order was shipping cost. Maybe it?s just a need to find SOMETHING to grumble about. I spent more on a few (losing) PowerBall tickets that garnered nothing in return. At least I know I?ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :) Grant NQ5T > >> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town. >> >> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. >> >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: >> >>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,?. >>> >>> 73 de Ray >>> K2ULR >>> KX3 #211 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ From turnbull at net1.ie Sat Feb 14 16:22:23 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:22:23 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: <54DFB454.3010602@earthlink.net> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com><54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> <54DFB454.3010602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7640271463AB4CAE97EE85AA78CEE94E@DOUG1> Dear OMs, I certainly see your point on shipping charges. However the K3 is not being made obsolete by a newer radio. If you have a single receiver the price is pretty reasonable and if you have two radios what do we expect. Elecraft makes money and I hope they continue to do so. The demise of R.L Drake was bad enough. The ham market is not that lucrative and the likes of Wayne and Eric deserve their rewards. Then these gentlemen never present themselves as anything other than brother hams. After all we are all members of the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Solomon Sent: 14 February 2015 20:47 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) If you are shipping short distances (next state or two), the Regional Rate method is even cheaper. I sent a Medium size box from Tucson to San Diego for under $6. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/14/2015 1:16 PM, David Christ wrote: > Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town. > > $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. > > > David K0LUM > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,.. >> >> 73 de Ray >> K2ULR >> KX3 #211 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From w7cs at theriver.com Sat Feb 14 16:44:06 2015 From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:44:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping and Handling Message-ID: <20150214134404.50ECF598@dm0219.mta.everyone.net> I also suggest that everyone should consider the other shipping options available. I chose USPS Priority Mail, and it was significantly cheaper than UPS Ground. It pays to look at all the options. 73, Tony K4QE I consider that all who offer items to sale direct, and usually over the Internet, have already included the cost of the order processing/paperwork and the packaging. You are not going to pick it up over the counter ! Otherwise I tend to consider the excessive P & H charges, as a form of 'bait and switch'. Transportation costs from the dealer to the shipping facility, should not be considered, as all now offer direct pickup, even USPS. I feel that it's only right for the shipper to offer their customers the most inexpensive method available, to the recipient's location. I live in a semi-rural area and the local (35 miles away) brick and mortar stores, are always complaining about the unfair competition from the "mail order" business and how they should collect state sales taxes. The savings that I realize in both $ and environmental costs, in not making that 70 mile round trip, can be enormous . Generally the shipping costs are in the same neighborhood, as that of the sales tax I don't have to pay. Although there are some that offer free shipping (no handling) above a certain sales amount. Amazon has chosen not to fight our AZ State Tax Commission and are now charging (they only have a distribution center here) state sales tax on their orders, plus shipping costs. I no longer am a customer of theirs ! For my own 'out' shipping, I either have to go 30 miles to an overpriced franchised UPS shipping center (the main UPS center is 50 miles distant) or use my very friendly and helpful village PO and the USPS. I'm glad to, as they need the business and I've never experienced a better one ! Chuck, W7CS From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Feb 14 17:05:45 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:05:45 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem Message-ID: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> Reminds me of a similar service call for a TV satellite system that "totally would not work". I was not smart enough to suggest looking at the ac cord so I drove the 120-miles and of course first thing I checked was power..."and the ac cord was unplugged". Boy were my customers embarrassed. They offered to pay my service call but I could not do that. We settled for gas money ($1.50/gal back then). Rules for troubleshooting: what are the symptoms (what is not working), check power inputs; check configurations (settings); look-feel-sniff; measure for required output - then get out the manual/schematic/tools. An "old" tech once advised me that most problems were simple ones - so do not go off looking for complicated one's before doing simple tests. (that drop test works) Use of freeze-spray does the same thing. So does wiggling and probing. 73, Ed - KL7UW Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:34:04 -0500 From: Ross Primrose Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VFO problem Message-ID: <54DF870C.1020703 at n4rp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed My grandfather (Ex K4GF, SK) was a TV repairman during the tube TV era. The most common fault requiring a house call was the housewife not plugging the TV back in after she unplugged it to vacuum.... 73, Ross N4RP 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 14 17:19:03 2015 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:19:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: Ed - KL7UW Wrote: "Rules for troubleshooting: what are the symptoms (what is not working), check power inputs; check configurations (settings); look-feel-sniff; measure for required output - then get out the manual/schematic/tools. An "old" tech once advised me that most problems were simple ones - so do not go off looking for complicated one's before doing simple tests. (that drop test works) Use of freeze-spray does the same thing. So does wiggling and probing." AND ... one of the best tools for PC's and other devices is to cycle power. It is amazing the troubles that can be solved by realigning the bits :-) Nick N1KMP From dick at elecraft.com Sat Feb 14 17:37:48 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:37:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? In-Reply-To: <1975104630.700918.1423945334597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1975104630.700918.1423945334597.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <020201d048a6$dbf7de50$93e79af0$@elecraft.com> It depends on how the ATU learns about the frequency. If you have your K3 connected to your KAT500 and the K3 provides frequency information without transmitting, then the KAT500 can change ATU settings in mode MAN on K3 QSY, without transmitting. (This uses a 15-pin ACC cable between the K3 and KAT500 and the K3 configuration menu for KAT3 is set for "KAT500y" by pressing the 1 button the right number of times). Otherwise the KAT500 senses Tx frequency, and presumably you won't want to transmit outside the ham band for the KAT500 to learn the frequency by counting the Tx frequency. The KAT500 Utility Operate page has the ability to store an arbitrary tuner setting (including "bypassed") at the then-current frequency. I just tuned my K3 to 14500 and on the KAT500 operate page I checked "bypass" in the "others" group , just to the left of the "tune" button. Then I clicked "memorize", and the utility stored a "bypassed" tuning solution in the memory for 14496 kHz. When you tune around, the ATU loads settings from the nearest non-empty memory. When I qsy to 14350, the ATU loads my not-bypassed settings for the high end of 20. When I qsy to 14425, the ATU changes to "bypassed" because the nearest memory (14500) had a tuning solution of "bypassed". The operate page shows the frequency the KAT500 is aware of. If it's moving around as you QSY with the K3, then you have the needed information. The ATU provides memories for all frequencies between 1.5 and 60 MHz. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:22 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? Is there an easy way to make the KAT500 automatically go into Bypass when outside of the Ham Bands? Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From dezrat at outlook.com Sat Feb 14 17:40:24 2015 From: dezrat at outlook.com (Bill Turner) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:40:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: ------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped) On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:05:45 -0900, you wrote: > >Rules for troubleshooting: what are the symptoms (what is not >working), check power inputs; check configurations (settings); >look-feel-sniff; measure for required output - then get out the >manual/schematic/tools. An "old" tech once advised me that most >problems were simple ones - so do not go off looking for complicated >one's before doing simple tests. (that drop test works) Use of >freeze-spray does the same thing. So does wiggling and probing. REPLY: The best TV tech I ever knew (and I knew a lot) gave me the best advice I ever got about troubleshooting: "Forget your meters and generators and stuff. The best troubleshooting tools you have are you own two eyes." There were times I did not follow his advice, to my regret. I would waste time with scope and meter and when I finally found the problem, it was obvious if I had just looked carefully first. Joe Tolemeo was his name, probably RIP now, but the best ever. Thanks, Joe. Bill W6WRT From radioham at mchsi.com Sat Feb 14 17:42:28 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:42:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: References: <201502142205.t1EM5jf2032726@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <3002D52B-CA59-47C4-8073-7050DAD144A7@mchsi.com> ?Tis true that doing a reset can cause a problem to go away and is often the only way out ? but a reset should not be the first remedy tried. When I was part of a network group responsible for a nationwide data/voice network we had a co-worker that drove us nuts. His solution to any problem was to immediately go around and rest everything. Kept us from collecting information about device status when the fault occurred. Maybe got things up again but did nothing for preventing the next fault. So before you push that reset, gather what information you can to help determine the root cause. David K0LUM On Feb 14, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Nick Kemp wrote: > AND ... one of the best tools for PC's and other devices is to cycle power. It is amazing the troubles that can be solved by realigning the bits :-) > > Nick > N1KMP From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 18:16:54 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:16:54 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: <9C950C06-285C-4B6C-93EE-65B77AEB3EE7@tx.rr.com> References: <20150213211953.6B709CE415D@mailman.qth.net> <2025365623.373602.1423864002863.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE7F73.2080106@gmail.com> <54DEB2CB.1010207@aol.com> <54DFB1BA.6050306@subich.com> <9C950C06-285C-4B6C-93EE-65B77AEB3EE7@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping costs. We?ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling about a few bucks on shipping. At least I know I?ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :) Right on Grant, I've learned a new word from the Elecraft reflector 'Tightwads' 73, Deni - F5VJC On 14 February 2015 at 22:22, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 > (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping > costs. We?ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling > about a few bucks on shipping. > > I?m not a terribly sophisticated user of my K3 compared to some of you, > but my K3 has all of the available options, all of the mods installed, and > the latest revs of everything (I know about). I have two of the new KSYN > boards ordered. Last thing I worried about when I placed the order was > shipping cost. > > Maybe it?s just a need to find SOMETHING to grumble about. I spent more > on a few (losing) PowerBall tickets that garnered nothing in return. At > least I know I?ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :) > > Grant NQ5T > > > > >> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes > and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The > limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they > can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or > Hawaii. Same price as across town. > >> > >> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. > >> > >> > >> David K0LUM > >> > >> > >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> > >>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is > 0.8125 pounds,?. > >>> > >>> 73 de Ray > >>> K2ULR > >>> KX3 #211 > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 18:57:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> Message-ID: <1429127540.3344750.1423958238193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials.? I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting.? Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency.? I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter.? The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes.? However the beads did not help with the wire vertical.? I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode.? If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated.? I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3.? However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU.? I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack.? Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500.? Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500.? I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical.? The vertical wire is from W8AMZ.? I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point.? I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna.? The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? 73, Jeff W6UX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Sat Feb 14 19:15:06 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1429127540.3344750.1423958238193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> <1429127540.3344750.1423958238193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There are some great articles on common mode chokes http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf The other is K9YC's cookbook. Since I bought a VNA, I have been able to play with the choking value of some random chokes. Very interesting. Mike va3mw On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. > My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The > cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes > I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and > wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. > > > From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI > > I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials. I have > been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the > KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting. > Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain > output level which differs for a given band and frequency. I am powering > the KAT500 with its own AC adapter. The problem can occur in both bypass > and auto mode. > > 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power > cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in > bypass mode on all bands and modes. However the beads did not help with > the wire vertical. I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite > beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. > > The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the > KAT500 in bypass mode. If I put it in Auto mode the problem is > exacerbated. I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in > Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3. However, if I try to > transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. > > I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to > the K3's internal ATU. I observed that in this configuration, I could > still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to > that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the > shack. Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500. Several turns of > the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. > > I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how > things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500. I would like to > keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire > vertical. > > The vertical wire is from W8AMZ. I don't believe there is any kind of > current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over > the coax at the feed point. I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna. The > hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. > > So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and > feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. > > Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further > experiments to try? > > 73, Jeff W6UX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 19:29:51 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? In-Reply-To: <020201d048a6$dbf7de50$93e79af0$@elecraft.com> References: <020201d048a6$dbf7de50$93e79af0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <998668320.3348899.1423960191898.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have the KAT500 hooked up with the AUX cable (15 pin cable). I went to 25 MHZ and selected ant 1 and bypass and saved it with the utility.Upon returning to 25 MHz it's still in tune and on ANT2 (Preferred for that band). The solution is probably a Feature Request to have the SW bands added for those of us with the KBPF3 From: Dick Dievendorff To: 'Harry Yingst' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? It depends on how the ATU learns about the frequency. If you have your K3 connected to your KAT500 and the K3 provides frequency information without transmitting, then the KAT500 can change ATU settings in mode MAN on K3 QSY, without transmitting.? (This uses a 15-pin ACC cable between the K3 and KAT500 and the K3 configuration menu for KAT3 is set for "KAT500y" by pressing the 1 button the right number of times). Otherwise the KAT500 senses Tx frequency, and presumably you won't want to transmit outside the ham band for the KAT500 to learn the frequency? by counting the Tx frequency. The KAT500 Utility Operate page has the ability to store an arbitrary tuner setting (including "bypassed") at the then-current frequency. I just tuned my K3 to 14500 and on the KAT500 operate page I checked "bypass" in the "others" group , just to the left of the "tune" button. Then I clicked "memorize", and the utility stored a "bypassed" tuning solution in the memory for 14496 kHz.? When you tune around, the ATU loads settings from the nearest non-empty memory. When I qsy to 14350, the ATU loads my not-bypassed settings for the high end of 20.? When I qsy to 14425, the ATU changes to "bypassed" because the nearest memory (14500) had a tuning solution of "bypassed".? The operate page shows the frequency the KAT500 is aware of. If it's moving around as you QSY with the K3, then you have the needed information. The ATU provides memories for all frequencies between 1.5 and 60 MHz. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:22 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Auto Bypass for Non Ham Bands? Is there an easy way to make the KAT500 automatically go into Bypass when outside of the Ham Bands? Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sat Feb 14 20:04:54 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:04:54 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 Message-ID: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> G'day, Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. Backwards step, sorry. Regards, Mike VP8NO From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sat Feb 14 20:18:43 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (Brian) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 In-Reply-To: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: It also took the VFO link away from the buttons. I use it all the time while alternating between pileup busting and normal tuning around, Fortunately I have that function programmed in an external button box. No spare K3 programmable buttons available. Brian/K3KO Sent from my iPad > On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > > G'day, > > Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. > > Backwards step, sorry. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 20:38:47 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <550699166.3362396.1423964327503.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If you want to save on the shipping, Just bunch up your orders. Order 3 filters at a time instead of one at a time. Elecraft has even combined my orders before to save my shipping cost. Then need to change the line from "Shipping" to "Shipping and Handling" The items do not Pack Themselves and the box does not address it's selfThey have to pay someone to do that labor. From: F5vjc To: GRANT YOUNGMAN Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping) I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping costs.? We?ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling about a few bucks on shipping. At least I know I?ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :) Right on Grant, I've learned a new word from the Elecraft reflector 'Tightwads' 73,? Deni - F5VJC On 14 February 2015 at 22:22, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 > (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping > costs.? We?ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling > about a few bucks on shipping. > > I?m not a terribly sophisticated user of my K3 compared to some of you, > but my K3 has all of the available options, all of the mods installed, and > the latest revs of everything (I know about).? I have two of the new KSYN > boards ordered.? Last thing I worried about when I placed the order was > shipping cost. > > Maybe it?s just a need to find SOMETHING to grumble about.? I spent more > on a few (losing) PowerBall tickets that garnered nothing in return.? At > least I know I?ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :) > > Grant NQ5T > > > > >> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes > and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs.? Comes with tracking.? The > limitation is size.? The envelopes and small box are under $6.? Where they > can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or > Hawaii.? Same price as across town. > >> > >> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30. > >> > >> > >> David K0LUM > >> > >> > >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> > >>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is > 0.8125 pounds,?. > >>> > >>> 73 de Ray > >>> K2ULR > >>> KX3 #211 > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From mcduffie at ag0n.net Sat Feb 14 20:59:48 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:59:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1429127540.3344750.1423958238193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <53C84EC8-6B4B-478D-B3D5-D4D6905D3BF7@ymail.com> <1429127540.3344750.1423958238193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17vvdadvp83mfbevvrhfquda33oj733sp3@4ax.com> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:57:18 +0000 (UTC), Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. I learned years ago that there is something special about 40 meter RF. I've gotten into more "stuff" when on 40 meters than anything else since 21 MHz TV IFs went away. I've melted things in radios while barefoot too. I don't know what it is, but lots of things seem to be sensitive to that band. Gary From w6ux at ymail.com Sat Feb 14 21:22:19 2015 From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1797156412.3406942.1423966939193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for their replies to my problem. ?I read Jim Brown's paper this afternoon and have ordered some mix 31 Big Clamps. ?I'll try putting one at each end of the 40m coax feedline (RG8X) with the prescribed number of turns. -Jeff On Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:22 PM, Michael Walker wrote: There are some great articles on common mode chokes http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf The other is K9YC's cookbook. Since I bought a VNA, I have been able to play with the choking value of some random chokes.? Very interesting. Mike va3mw On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. ? ? ? From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" ?To: Elecraft Reflector ?Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM ?Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials.? I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting.? Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency.? I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter.? The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes.? However the beads did not help with the wire vertical.? I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode.? If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated.? I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3.? However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU.? I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack.? Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500.? Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500.? I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical.? The vertical wire is from W8AMZ.? I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point.? I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna.? The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? 73, Jeff W6UX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 14 21:25:33 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1797156412.3406942.1423966939193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1797156412.3406942.1423966939193.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Do you have chokes on the power, AUX, and Serial Cables to the KAT500? From: Jeff Hall To: Michael Walker ; Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI Thanks everyone for their replies to my problem. ?I read Jim Brown's paper this afternoon and have ordered some mix 31 Big Clamps. ?I'll try putting one at each end of the 40m coax feedline (RG8X) with the prescribed number of turns. -Jeff On Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:22 PM, Michael Walker wrote: There are some great articles on common mode chokes http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf The other is K9YC's cookbook. Since I bought a VNA, I have been able to play with the choking value of some random chokes.? Very interesting. Mike va3mw On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. ? ? ? From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" ?To: Elecraft Reflector ?Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM ?Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials.? I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting.? Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency.? I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter.? The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes.? However the beads did not help with the wire vertical.? I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode.? If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated.? I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3.? However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU.? I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack.? Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500.? Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500.? I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical.? The vertical wire is from W8AMZ.? I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point.? I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna.? The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? 73, Jeff W6UX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Feb 14 22:01:11 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:01:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band Message-ID: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> I am probably doing something wrong, but I cannot find any reference to the following issue in the K3 manual. It seems that if one tunes to a non-ham band (general coverage) frequency (I used numerical direct frequency entry), the ham band closest to the target frequency now assumes the targeted general coverage frequency. For example, I was on 40m and wanted to check a local broadcast AM station at 1100 KHz. I entered "1.100" via the "FREQ ENT" button, and the radio tuned to 1100 KHz as expected. However, now when I cycle through the ham bands, the 160 meter slot is set to 1.100 Mhz instead of 1.8XX MHz. Is this the way it is supposed to work? It's a bit of a deterrent to use the KBPF3 to explore general coverage frequencies if a ham band gets hijacked as a result. 73, Dale WA8SRA From k7mw78 at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 21:39:27 2015 From: k7mw78 at gmail.com (Rick Dettinger) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:39:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <8443C623-F1FF-4BF4-BDE7-D6A1D3B3204B@gmail.com> Yes, they work that way. That is why I use the memories to navigate through the ham bands. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW On Feb 14, 2015, at 7:01 PM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > I am probably doing something wrong, but I cannot find any reference to > the following issue in the K3 manual. > > It seems that if one tunes to a non-ham band (general coverage) frequency > (I used numerical direct frequency entry), the ham band closest to the > target frequency now assumes the targeted general coverage frequency. > > For example, I was on 40m and wanted to check a local broadcast AM station > at 1100 KHz. I entered "1.100" via the "FREQ ENT" button, and the radio > tuned to 1100 KHz as expected. However, now when I cycle through the ham > bands, the 160 meter slot is set to 1.100 Mhz instead of 1.8XX MHz. > > Is this the way it is supposed to work? It's a bit of a deterrent to use > the KBPF3 to explore general coverage frequencies if a ham band gets > hijacked as a result. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k7mw78 at gmail.com From w6ux at ymail.com Sat Feb 14 21:46:06 2015 From: w6ux at ymail.com (Jeff Hall) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have several turns of the AC adapter cord through two snap on beads. ? I don't have anything on the AUX cables at this time, but that is something I should probably check. ? I ordered 6 of the Mix 31 Big Clamp toroids from KF7P. ?For the 40m vertical I'll place one choke at the feedpoint and see if the problem is resolved. ?If not, I'll place another choke at the KAT500. ?If I still have a problem, another choke will be placed at the output of the KPA500. ?If that still doesn't work, another choke will be placed at the output of the K3. ?Once I have suppressed the common mode RF on the vertical, I'll try replacing the string of ferrite beads on my hex beam's coax with a Big Clamp choke at the KAT500. -Jeff W6UX On Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:25 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: Do you have chokes on the power, AUX, and Serial Cables to the KAT500? From: Jeff Hall To: Michael Walker ; Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI Thanks everyone for their replies to my problem. ?I read Jim Brown's paper this afternoon and have ordered some mix 31 Big Clamps. ?I'll try putting one at each end of the 40m coax feedline (RG8X) with the prescribed number of turns. -Jeff On Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:22 PM, Michael Walker wrote: There are some great articles on common mode chokes http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf The other is K9YC's cookbook. Since I bought a VNA, I have been able to play with the choking value of some random chokes.? Very interesting. Mike va3mw On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. ? ? ? From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" ?To: Elecraft Reflector ?Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM ?Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials.? I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting.? Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency.? I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter.? The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes.? However the beads did not help with the wire vertical.? I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode.? If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated.? I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3.? However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU.? I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack.? Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500.? Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500.? I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical.? The vertical wire is from W8AMZ.? I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point.? I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna.? The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? 73, Jeff W6UX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 14 21:49:36 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 18:49:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> Hi Dale, When you're tuning around outside the hand bands, your last "dwell" frequency will be set in the appropriate ham band For example, listening to WWV on 15 MHz, 15.000 will become your VFO A's 20m frequency. That VFO A frequency will persist across a power off / on cycle. This behavior is consistent whether or not your K3 was last left in the ham bands. I don't know all the frequency limits for which non-ham frequency ranges are assigned to which ham bands, but in terms of being reasonable they make sense (imho). If you combine SWL / general purpose and ham use, I'd suggest using memories to keep your common-use frequencies in. That way, when you tap the M>V button and dial the memory in, you always get a known frequency (either inside or out of the ham bands). I use this method for ham, SWL, and MARS operation and it does seem to work well. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:01:11 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >I am probably doing something wrong, but I cannot find any reference to >the following issue in the K3 manual. > >It seems that if one tunes to a non-ham band (general coverage) frequency >(I used numerical direct frequency entry), the ham band closest to the >target frequency now assumes the targeted general coverage frequency. > >For example, I was on 40m and wanted to check a local broadcast AM station >at 1100 KHz. I entered "1.100" via the "FREQ ENT" button, and the radio >tuned to 1100 KHz as expected. However, now when I cycle through the ham >bands, the 160 meter slot is set to 1.100 Mhz instead of 1.8XX MHz. > >Is this the way it is supposed to work? It's a bit of a deterrent to use >the KBPF3 to explore general coverage frequencies if a ham band gets >hijacked as a result. > >73, Dale >WA8SRA > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Feb 14 23:08:29 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:08:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> Message-ID: <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hi Matt, Thanks for your response. I see that using the memories will tune to the stored frequency -- but it still hijacks a ham band. I like using the 'Band' button on the KPA500 to band-select the K3, but after selecting a non-ham band memory, that gets screwed up as well. I don't see a way to access a G/C frequency without this being the result. It seems to me that if the ham band slots disallowed frequency assignments outside of their respective bands, that would keep this from happening, and would be consistent with the K3 being first and foremost a ham-band receiver. 73, Dale WA8SRA > Hi Dale, > > When you're tuning around outside the hand bands, your last "dwell" > frequency will be set in the appropriate ham band For example, > listening to WWV on 15 MHz, 15.000 will become your VFO A's 20m > frequency. That VFO A frequency will persist across a power off / on > cycle. This behavior is consistent whether or not your K3 was last > left in the ham bands. > > I don't know all the frequency limits for which non-ham frequency > ranges are assigned to which ham bands, but in terms of being > reasonable they make sense (imho). > > If you combine SWL / general purpose and ham use, I'd suggest using > memories to keep your common-use frequencies in. That way, when you > tap the M>V button and dial the memory in, you always get a known > frequency (either inside or out of the ham bands). I use this method > for ham, SWL, and MARS operation and it does seem to work well. > > 73, > matt > W6NIA > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 22:42:12 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: One thing I like about it is that a "hold" on the SUB button now puts you back in diversity immediately. Quick way to get it back when a split spot has turned it off. I still would like to see variable APF to let me set it a little farther off ringing, or put a wider peak on some situations. Use the RIT control to control APF bandwidth if RIT and XIT are off. That other fast tune thing with the RIT knob winds up happening when I forget it's on. Now I can't find the menu entry to turn it off. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Brian wrote: > It also took the VFO link away from the buttons. I use it all the time while alternating between pileup busting and normal tuning around, Fortunately I have that function programmed in an external button box. No spare K3 programmable buttons available. > > Brian/K3KO From ka9zap at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 22:52:34 2015 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:52:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] APF filter band width adjustment Message-ID: <54E01802.5070902@gmail.com> */I agree I always liked to adjust my ft1000d APF a bit off center as well. Regards Art ka9zap /* On 2/14/2015 9:42 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > One thing I like about it is that a "hold" on the SUB button now puts > you back in diversity immediately. Quick way to get it back when a > split spot has turned it off. > > I still would like to see variable APF to let me set it a little > farther off ringing, or put a wider peak on some situations. Use the > RIT control to control APF bandwidth if RIT and XIT are off. That > other fast tune thing with the RIT knob winds up happening when I > forget it's on. Now I can't find the menu entry to turn it off. > > 73, Guy K2AV > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Feb 14 23:04:21 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:04:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 In-Reply-To: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Mike (et al), It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. Thanks, Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Feb 14, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > > G'day, > > Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. > > Backwards step, sorry. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 14 23:21:51 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:21:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <54E01EDF.3060801@socal.rr.com> Wayne, Will this become non-beta (released) before the new synth cards arrive, or should we go ahead and install the beta now? Phil W7OX On 2/14/15 8:04 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Mike (et al), > > It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. > > Thanks, > Wayne > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Mike Harris wrote: >> >> G'day, >> >> Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. >> >> Backwards step, sorry. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike VP8NO From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Feb 14 23:32:31 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:32:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <8443C623-F1FF-4BF4-BDE7-D6A1D3B3204B@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suggest adding a "band" between each ham band. When switching away from these bands, the frequencies/modes/etc. would be saved in the band and the ones from the new band would be loaded as happens now. These bands would not be accessed with the band up/down switch unless enabled using a new menu item, thus avoiding pollution of the ham bands with out-of-band frequencies. One can dream further and have multiple bands between the ham bands for SW broadcast, public service etc. One could even imagine a WWV band which has all the WWV frequencies in a non-contiguous band. I don't really recommend any of these frills, but they are fun to think about. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From n1al at sonic.net Sat Feb 14 23:41:31 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:41:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO problem In-Reply-To: <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> References: <54DEE341.2020000@gmail.com> <54DF6E80.7050904@socal.rr.com> <470F4EB5-3FE8-467C-8B86-2CE9C70728C5@mchsi.com> <54DF870C.1020703@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <54E0237B.3090404@sonic.net> On 02/14/2015 09:34 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > My grandfather (Ex K4GF, SK) was a TV repairman during the tube TV > era. The most common fault requiring a house call was the housewife > not plugging the TV back in after she unplugged it to vacuum.... A friend's father was a service technician for Fridgedaire many years ago. When a customer would call in complaining that, for example, his washing machine didn't work, the tech would suggest that he unplug the line cord, rotate it 180 degrees, and then plug it back in again. More often than not the customer would report that that fixed it. Sometimes tech support requires a knowledge of human psychology. :=) Alan N1AL From phils at riousa.com Sat Feb 14 23:42:57 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:42:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net Message-ID: The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I will be net control from Oregon. Stop by. 73, Phil, NS7P From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 14 23:50:55 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:50:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E025AF.6040105@embarqmail.com> Jeff and all, I see many hams reporting placing common mode chokes on AC lines, DC lines, AUX cables and other lines in the shack. I am of the opinion that the proper use of common mode chokes is on the antenna feedlines. With coax fed antennas, a choke right at the feedpoint and with parallel line non-resonant antennas, at the point of transition from parallel line to coax. You may not notice a problem at lower power, but if the power is increased to 500 watts (or to the legal limit), problems not apparent at lower power begin to 'raise their ugly heads'. Chokes placed in the antenna system locations will reduce the amount of RF getting back into the shack and will reduce the need for chokes on the shack lines themselves. Of course, if the antenna radiation is coming directly into the shack (such as from an antenna in close proximity to the shack), then you may still need additional chokes in the shack. Those using offset center fed dipoles or end fed dipoles will have to take more extreme measures (use the K9YC common mode chokes at the antenna feedpoint and at the feedline entry point to the shack). Those antennas are 'infamous' for creating 'RF in the Shack'. It may not be a problem at 100 watts, but the problem grows exponentially as the power is increased. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/14/2015 9:46 PM, Jeff Hall wrote: > I have several turns of the AC adapter cord through two snap on beads. I don't have anything on the AUX cables at this time, but that is something I should probably check. I ordered 6 of the Mix 31 Big Clamp toroids from KF7P. For the 40m vertical I'll place one choke at the feedpoint and see if the problem is resolved. If not, I'll place another choke at the KAT500. If I still have a problem, another choke will be placed at the output of the KPA500. If that still doesn't work, another choke will be placed at the output of the K3. Once I have suppressed the common mode RF on the vertical, I'll try replacing the string of ferrite beads on my hex beam's coax with a Big Clamp choke at the KAT500. > -Jeff W6UX > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 00:23:42 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <54E02D5E.3070302@gmail.com> I solve this problem by entering a ham frequency after listening to a general coverage frequency. It takes about 2 seconds to do and solves the problem completely. So, after I'm done listening to AM720, I simply enter 1.8mhz on that VFO and all is well. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/14/15 11:08 PM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Thanks for your response. I see that using the memories will tune to the > stored frequency -- but it still hijacks a ham band. I like using the > 'Band' button on the KPA500 to band-select the K3, but after selecting a > non-ham band memory, that gets screwed up as well. I don't see a way to > access a G/C frequency without this being the result. > > It seems to me that if the ham band slots disallowed frequency assignments > outside of their respective bands, that would keep this from happening, > and would be consistent with the K3 being first and foremost a ham-band > receiver. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 00:23:52 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 00:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <54E02D68.6070006@gmail.com> I solve this problem by entering a ham frequency after listening to a general coverage frequency. It takes about 2 seconds to do and solves the problem completely. So, after I'm done listening to AM720, I simply enter 1.8mhz on that VFO and all is well. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/14/15 11:08 PM, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Thanks for your response. I see that using the memories will tune to the > stored frequency -- but it still hijacks a ham band. I like using the > 'Band' button on the KPA500 to band-select the K3, but after selecting a > non-ham band memory, that gets screwed up as well. I don't see a way to > access a G/C frequency without this being the result. > > It seems to me that if the ham band slots disallowed frequency assignments > outside of their respective bands, that would keep this from happening, > and would be consistent with the K3 being first and foremost a ham-band > receiver. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Feb 15 01:02:28 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:02:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Hi again Dale, I'm not taking a position, just reporting how the K3 works now. Maybe that was obvious, maybe not. With many Amateur transceivers that allow receive outside the ham bands, the VFO always initializes to the last frequency dialed in. The only non-Elecraft example I have here is an old 1996-era JRC-245, but I've observed that same behavior with many others. The K3 is consistent in its behavior with most other transceivers. From what you've written, it looks like the BAND up/down control is really the problem. This is the reason I used (to myself) for the M>V switch and using memories to control initial ham band entry after tuning around outside. I do a lot of this, being a Curious George type, and also a MARS op and doing occasional SWLing. Being objective, I've thought up a few corner cases. For whatever reason, I've become pretty good at this lately. Try these on: 1. The op dials past the ham band edge into g/c territory. In this case, make the band edge persistent? I'm not sure that would be correct. Most ops do not operate near the band edges. Maybe I'm just biased in this way. 2. The last direct frequency entry was 15.000 MHz. Would you preserve the previous direct frequency entry that was inside the Amateur 20m band? Or the last VFO A frequency? Or something else (I'm trying to use a little imagination, not something I'm great at). 3. This one would probably work for you. The op dials into the ham band from g/c territory. I'm pretty sure that what most ops would want to persist on VFO A is this last dwell frequency. That would also be consistent with most transceivers' behavior, and what many ops would expect. 4. For MARS operators, SWLers, and other legitimate ops that habitually operate outside the ham bands, their K3s would constantly revert to a previous dwell frequency, but only one from inside the nearest ham band (hm, the one to which that dwell frequency range is assigned). I think this would tick off the ops wanting to preserve the last frequency dialed or keyed in. I guess it's a conundrum, or a bit of one at least. From memory, I think there was a Field Tester discussion on this topic long ago. This and some hard decisions on the part of Elecraft gave the K3 its present behavior. Hey - at least the K3's behavior in this regard is 100% consistent! :) 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:08:29 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Hi Matt, > >Thanks for your response. I see that using the memories will tune to the >stored frequency -- but it still hijacks a ham band. I like using the >'Band' button on the KPA500 to band-select the K3, but after selecting a >non-ham band memory, that gets screwed up as well. I don't see a way to >access a G/C frequency without this being the result. > >It seems to me that if the ham band slots disallowed frequency assignments >outside of their respective bands, that would keep this from happening, >and would be consistent with the K3 being first and foremost a ham-band >receiver. > >73, Dale >WA8SRA > > >> Hi Dale, >> >> When you're tuning around outside the hand bands, your last "dwell" >> frequency will be set in the appropriate ham band For example, >> listening to WWV on 15 MHz, 15.000 will become your VFO A's 20m >> frequency. That VFO A frequency will persist across a power off / on >> cycle. This behavior is consistent whether or not your K3 was last >> left in the ham bands. >> >> I don't know all the frequency limits for which non-ham frequency >> ranges are assigned to which ham bands, but in terms of being >> reasonable they make sense (imho). >> >> If you combine SWL / general purpose and ham use, I'd suggest using >> memories to keep your common-use frequencies in. That way, when you >> tap the M>V button and dial the memory in, you always get a known >> frequency (either inside or out of the ham bands). I use this method >> for ham, SWL, and MARS operation and it does seem to work well. >> >> 73, >> matt >> W6NIA >> >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From la9nea at online.no Sun Feb 15 03:42:31 2015 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:42:31 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 mini remote head Message-ID: <326023450.283941.1423989751145.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice30.nsc.no> Hello Elecraft users. I have an brand new K3/0-mini , used with the Remoterig system to work my K3 at my ''summer qth'', I have som problems with the ''mini'', it often run in TERM mode ( when POWER ON), audio stream from K3 at the remote site, but display do not respond, also other things stop like meny entry etc.... When I reload the firmware its up and go again..... but unstable..... Pse let me know from you if some had/has problems similar to mine or other things with your K3/0-mini... 73' Viggo LA9NEA From montys at mindspring.com Sun Feb 15 06:31:34 2015 From: montys at mindspring.com (MontyS) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 06:31:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <54E025AF.6040105@embarqmail.com> References: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E025AF.6040105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I echo Don's comment. My MC-60 mic used to be very sensitive to RF in the shack and my monitor used to click on and off, until I placed common mode chokes on the coax leaving the antenna tuner, and on the coax feeding a balun outside the shack. (Antenna is an open-wire-fed 80 meter doublet.) I no longer have any discernible RF problems, save for my amplified audio getting a weak buzz when transmitting high power - and that's probably from radiated RF, not common mode. I have no other chokes on other cables. Monty K2DLJ Jeff and all, I see many hams reporting placing common mode chokes on AC lines, DC lines, AUX cables and other lines in the shack. I am of the opinion that the proper use of common mode chokes is on the antenna feedlines. From dmb at lightstream.net Sun Feb 15 08:14:02 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:14:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: References: <53022.71.74.118.201.1423969271.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <2310ea1tkgpt9bbeljn9ontiloqq4d5s94@4ax.com> <53200.71.74.118.201.1423973309.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <54144.71.74.118.201.1424006042.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hi Matt, Wow, you've really thought this through, and I appreciate the ideas. I didn't mean to infer that this is a big deal to me. I probably venture out of the ham bands maybe once every 2 or 3 years for about 15 minutes, usually trying to determine the character of a neighborhood noise source. However, after ordering a pair of the new KSYN3A boards, it occurred to me that it might be interesting to explore some of the VLF frequencies using the Pixel loop, and in playing around I re-discovered this scenario. I actually do use the M>V+# memory band switching method, along with the per-band M>V+M[1-4] memories to provide some band-stacking functionality within bands, and all of that works extremely well and is very fast. The only time there's a problem is when I tap the Band buttons on the KPA500 or use the Band up/down button on the K3. So, none of this is really an issue. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't missing a simple or obvious-to-someone-else solution. Thank you again! 73, Dale WA8SRA > Hi again Dale, > > I'm not taking a position, just reporting how the K3 works now. Maybe > that was obvious, maybe not. > > With many Amateur transceivers that allow receive outside the ham > bands, the VFO always initializes to the last frequency dialed in. The > only non-Elecraft example I have here is an old 1996-era JRC-245, but > I've observed that same behavior with many others. The K3 is > consistent in its behavior with most other transceivers. > > From what you've written, it looks like the BAND up/down control is > really the problem. This is the reason I used (to myself) for the M>V > switch and using memories to control initial ham band entry after > tuning around outside. I do a lot of this, being a Curious George > type, and also a MARS op and doing occasional SWLing. > > Being objective, I've thought up a few corner cases. For whatever > reason, I've become pretty good at this lately. Try these on: > > 1. The op dials past the ham band edge into g/c territory. In this > case, make the band edge persistent? I'm not sure that would be > correct. Most ops do not operate near the band edges. Maybe I'm just > biased in this way. > > 2. The last direct frequency entry was 15.000 MHz. Would you preserve > the previous direct frequency entry that was inside the Amateur 20m > band? Or the last VFO A frequency? Or something else (I'm trying to > use a little imagination, not something I'm great at). > > 3. This one would probably work for you. The op dials into the ham > band from g/c territory. I'm pretty sure that what most ops would > want to persist on VFO A is this last dwell frequency. That would > also be consistent with most transceivers' behavior, and what many ops > would expect. > > 4. For MARS operators, SWLers, and other legitimate ops that > habitually operate outside the ham bands, their K3s would constantly > revert to a previous dwell frequency, but only one from inside the > nearest ham band (hm, the one to which that dwell frequency range is > assigned). I think this would tick off the ops wanting to preserve > the last frequency dialed or keyed in. > > I guess it's a conundrum, or a bit of one at least. From memory, I > think there was a Field Tester discussion on this topic long ago. This > and some hard decisions on the part of Elecraft gave the K3 its > present behavior. > > Hey - at least the K3's behavior in this regard is 100% consistent! > > :) > > 73, > matt > W6NIA > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 23:08:29 -0500 (EST), you wrote: > >>Hi Matt, >> >>Thanks for your response. I see that using the memories will tune to the >>stored frequency -- but it still hijacks a ham band. I like using the >>'Band' button on the KPA500 to band-select the K3, but after selecting a >>non-ham band memory, that gets screwed up as well. I don't see a way to >>access a G/C frequency without this being the result. >> >>It seems to me that if the ham band slots disallowed frequency >> assignments >>outside of their respective bands, that would keep this from happening, >>and would be consistent with the K3 being first and foremost a ham-band >>receiver. >> >>73, Dale >>WA8SRA >> >> >>> Hi Dale, >>> >>> When you're tuning around outside the hand bands, your last "dwell" >>> frequency will be set in the appropriate ham band For example, >>> listening to WWV on 15 MHz, 15.000 will become your VFO A's 20m >>> frequency. That VFO A frequency will persist across a power off / on >>> cycle. This behavior is consistent whether or not your K3 was last >>> left in the ham bands. >>> >>> I don't know all the frequency limits for which non-ham frequency >>> ranges are assigned to which ham bands, but in terms of being >>> reasonable they make sense (imho). >>> >>> If you combine SWL / general purpose and ham use, I'd suggest using >>> memories to keep your common-use frequencies in. That way, when you >>> tap the M>V button and dial the memory in, you always get a known >>> frequency (either inside or out of the ham bands). I use this method >>> for ham, SWL, and MARS operation and it does seem to work well. >>> >>> 73, >>> matt >>> W6NIA >>> >>> > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > -- > "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will > spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln > From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 07:27:03 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 05:27:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 In-Reply-To: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <1424003223590-7598448.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Mike, I don't have Beta 5r10 so I'm a little confused by the comments in your post and the subsequent posts. I use Dual PB all of the time for RTTY. Is it still fully functional in RTTY? 73, Mike K2MK Mike Harris-9 wrote > G'day, > > Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB > "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst > tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and > smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. > The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. > > Backwards step, sorry. > Regards, > Mike VP8NO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Beta-5r10-tp7598424p7598448.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Feb 15 09:39:58 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: References: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E025AF.6040105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: To re-enforce what has been said already, I read the Contest Clipper Club report and then a few others, and to summarize, here is what I found: - I ordered a few dozen Mix 43 and Mix 31 chokes online. I think I ordered 24 of each type and used the model numbers in the CCC document I quoted earlier. - I solved RF feedback issues (like bad SWR readings) but choking feedlines. This was really apparent in the mobile when the screwdriver would never seem to resolve turning on 40m. Once I choked the control line and the feedline, the antenna has never worked better. - Next was receiving. I had to start choking things in the station and around the station. I made good use the FT817 and the break panel to see what noises disappeared as I started to flip breakers in the house. I'm a believer in the right choke for both receiving issues and transmitting issues. I also believe that it is even more critical than a good ground. Mike va3mw On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 6:31 AM, MontyS wrote: > I echo Don's comment. My MC-60 mic used to be very sensitive to RF in the > shack and my monitor used to click on and off, until I placed common mode > chokes on the coax leaving the antenna tuner, and on the coax feeding a > balun outside the shack. (Antenna is an open-wire-fed 80 meter doublet.) I > no longer have any discernible RF problems, save for my amplified audio > getting a weak buzz when transmitting high power - and that's probably from > radiated RF, not common mode. I have no other chokes on other cables. > > Monty K2DLJ > > Jeff and all, > > I see many hams reporting placing common mode chokes on AC lines, DC > lines, AUX cables and other lines in the shack. > > I am of the opinion that the proper use of common mode chokes is on the > antenna feedlines. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From pa3a at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 15 09:48:15 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:48:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: > Mike (et al), > > It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. > > Thanks, > Wayne > > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 15 09:55:17 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:55:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Wayne, > > Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in > DXpedition work > > Just to give you and others the idea: > With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link > them with LINK. > But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use > F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: > - F9 = listen A-B > - F10 = listen A-A > - F11 = listen B-B > - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and > LINK the VFO's. > > This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. > so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: >> Mike (et al), >> >> It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the >> original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was >> using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. >> But with this input, we'll reconsider. >> >> Thanks, >> Wayne >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 > > From val at vip.bg Sun Feb 15 10:22:05 2015 From: val at vip.bg (Val) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:22:05 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Split References: <54DFADD1.60509@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I think that actually this is a great feature. The fancy operation brings a healthy laugh to the DXers and drives the QRMers crazy as there is no single TX frequency :). 73, Val LZ1VB > Hi, > > Occasionally DXpeds lose their split setting which causes chaos when > running a pile. The usual comment is it's a K3 thing. The question > is why is it? > > I use Logger32 and when I click on a spot whilst in split mode, the > K3 QSYs and split is cancelled. > > At first I thought it was because that Config: SPLT SV was NO so I > changed it to YES but this didn't make any difference. Certainly I > could change band and return and split was indeed saved. > > Next I put the K3 in split and then entered a frequency in the same > band in the L32 log entry window, the K3 QSYed and split cancelled. > > Next restored split and entered a frequency from the K3 keypad, > split stayed on. > > OK, looked at what was happening on the com port serving the K3. > When L32 sends the frequency to the K3 it prefixes it with FR0 which > according to the programmers reference cancels split mode. So the > response of the K3 was to be expected. A typical example is: > > Set Radio Freq/Mode: FR0;00018160000;MD2;FA0018160000; > > No idea what other software does in these circumstances. However, > if popular DXped software, N1MM or the like does something similar > it will be easy for a DXped operator to unknowingly and unnoticed > cancel split and go walkabout whilst tuning the pileup. > > Clearly FR0 is a useful command, I use it in an RTTY macro to cancel > split. I guess that the L32 development team assume that if you > enter a QSY you intend to come out of split so include the FR0, > reasonable I guess for a home operation. Users of alternative > applications might wish to conduct the same tests. > > The simple answer is better cockpit drill by the DXped operator. > But even having set up the correct band/mode/filter/antenna etc it > is still easy to accidentally cancel split under pressure, it's a K3 > thing, is it? > > Have I missed something? > > Your thoughts please gentlemen, > > Mike VP8NO > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to val at vip.bg > From nf4l at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 10:25:30 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:25:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <52F35A45-DB3E-476E-A599-B8E9ED41E401@comcast.net> I really do. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 15, 2015, at 9:55 AM, brian wrote: > > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work >> >> Just to give you and others the idea: >> With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. >> But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: >> - F9 = listen A-B >> - F10 = listen A-A >> - F11 = listen B-B >> - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. >> >> This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. >> so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> >> Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: >>> Mike (et al), >>> >>> It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Wayne >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Feb 15 10:38:29 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:38:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <00be01d04935$72e68a30$58b39e90$@verizon.net> Hi Arie, I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Wayne Burdick Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: - F9 = listen A-B - F10 = listen A-A - F11 = listen B-B - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK the VFO's. This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. 73 Arie PA3A Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: > Mike (et al), > > It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. > > Thanks, > Wayne > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 10:39:19 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1329351556.3584271.1424014759753.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I actually like that was the best?(adding bands between the Ham bands) I have a Flex-1500 and it pretty much works like that, and even has a separate WWV band button. I like to listen to SW and the way it is now I have to do a cleanup when I'm done. From: Bill Frantz To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band I suggest adding a "band" between each ham band. When switching away from these bands, the frequencies/modes/etc. would be saved in the band and the ones from the new band would be loaded as happens now. These bands would not be accessed with the band up/down switch unless enabled using a new menu item, thus avoiding pollution of the ham bands with out-of-band frequencies. One can dream further and have multiple bands between the ham bands for SW broadcast, public service etc. One could even imagine a WWV band which has all the WWV frequencies in a non-contiguous band. I don't really recommend any of these frills, but they are fun to think about. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz? ? ? ? | I like the farmers' market? | Periwinkle (408)356-8506? ? ? | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Feb 15 10:40:20 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <00c501d04935$b511ee90$1f35cbb0$@verizon.net> Never N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:55 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > Wayne, > > Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in > DXpedition work > > Just to give you and others the idea: > With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link > them with LINK. > But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use > F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: > - F9 = listen A-B > - F10 = listen A-A > - F11 = listen B-B > - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and > LINK the VFO's. > > This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. > so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: >> Mike (et al), >> >> It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the >> original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one was >> using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely popular. >> But with this input, we'll reconsider. >> >> Thanks, >> Wayne >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: > 02/15/15 > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From pincon at erols.com Sun Feb 15 10:45:54 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band References: <1329351556.3584271.1424014759753.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: With all the major players (BBC, Deutsche Welle) dropping off "Short-Wave", what's left to listen to? Years ago it used to be fun, but unless you're into 3rd world or religious radio ( Not that there's anything wrong with that.), the choices are few. I hear that even the low freq Euro broadcasts (153, 162, 171 kHz etc.) aren't long for this world either. Can you imagine the electric bill to keep a 2 Mega-Watt LF station on the air? 73, Charlie k3ICH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: "Bill Frantz" ; Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band >I actually like that was the best (adding bands between the Ham bands) > I have a Flex-1500 and it pretty much works like that, and even has a > separate WWV band button. > I like to listen to SW and the way it is now I have to do a cleanup when > I'm done. > > From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 15 10:07:47 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:07:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense. Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from an ergonomic perspective. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From ho13dave at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 11:12:23 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:12:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E0C567.4030606@gmail.com> On 2/15/15 8:55 AM, brian wrote: > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Of course, all the time. It is much better than twisting the knob a dozen times. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 > Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 2/15/2015 14:48 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in >> DXpedition work >> >> Just to give you and others the idea: >> With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link >> them with LINK. >> But here comes the fun part. When working with the N1MM logger I use >> F9-F12 to quickly command the audio from the K3 main and sub: >> - F9 = listen A-B >> - F10 = listen A-A >> - F11 = listen B-B >> - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B >> and LINK the VFO's. >> >> This unique flexibility of the K3 is impossible in the DIVERSITY mode. >> so P L E A S E , keep LINK in there. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> >> Wayne Burdick schreef op 15-2-2015 om 5:04: >>> Mike (et al), >>> >>> It's beta, experimental, subject to further revision. We took the >>> original dual-PB out based on earlier feedback suggesting no one >>> was using it (same with LINK). APF, in contrast, has been hugely >>> popular. But with this input, we'll reconsider. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Wayne >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: >> 02/15/15 >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 15 11:14:08 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:14:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> Joe, I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it ought to be relocated. It depends upon how you operate. Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one has some programmable button left to place it on. On 2/15/2015 15:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: >> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? >> Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. > > No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL > and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense. > > Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available > as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB > HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from > an ergonomic perspective. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5646 / Virus Database: 4284/9117 - Release Date: 02/15/15 > > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Feb 15 11:23:19 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:23:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning knob/buttons appliance. Pig Knob maybe. On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: > Joe, > > I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use > diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus > it ought to be relocated. > > It depends upon how you operate. > > Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one > has some programmable button left to place it on. > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 11:37:00 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:37:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: PLEASE .... no "pig knob" type of device! It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) 73 K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, "Kevin Stover" wrote: > Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning > knob/buttons appliance. > Pig Knob maybe. > > On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use >> diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it >> ought to be relocated. >> >> It depends upon how you operate. >> >> Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one >> has some programmable button left to place it on. >> >> -- R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From benny.aumala at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 11:57:44 2015 From: benny.aumala at gmail.com (Benny Aumala) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:57:44 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band Message-ID: <54E0D008.2020106@gmail.com> Exercise: FREQ ENT 15 you get VFO A 15.000 but VFO B stay on old freq e.g. 14.125.00 You can tune around 15.000 in general coverage and cycle power OFF / ON. To return, push A/B to get 14.125.00 to your VFO A. Then make A and B same pushing A to B switch. Make this exercise 3 times and you can recover fast and secure. Benny OH9NB From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Feb 15 12:01:13 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:01:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <54E0D0D9.4040805@mediacombb.net> Well...if you don't want it...DON'T BUY IT. Apparently the K3 has reached the point that the firmware feature set has out paced the physical UI. There aren't enough buttons left to keep all of the current features? There is a port on the bottom of every K3 that doesn't get used once it leaves the factory. Use that port for an external appliance to add more programmable buttons rather than dumping features from the firmware because some overly loud minority doesn't use the feature. If diversity mode is going away why would anybody NEED to buy the second RX and filters other than to make running split easier? The feature set in the K3 On 2/15/2015 10:37 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > PLEASE .... no "pig knob" type of device! > > It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge > becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. > > And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. > YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, "Kevin Stover" wrote: > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From pa3a at xs4all.nl Sun Feb 15 12:10:17 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:10:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <00be01d04935$72e68a30$58b39e90$@verizon.net> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <00be01d04935$72e68a30$58b39e90$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: > Hi Arie, > I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on > the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? > Tnx > N2TK, Tony ..... > - F9 = listen A-B > - F10 = listen A-A > - F11 = listen B-B > - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK > the VFO's. > > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Feb 15 12:11:52 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:11:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1424020312.10003.3.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I would LOVE to see a Pig Knob type of device for the K3! No actual knob looking like a pig, but an external keypad would be wonderful! Especially if it were a touch screen. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 09:37 -0700, Ken G Kopp wrote: > PLEASE .... no "pig knob" type of device! > > It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge > becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. > > And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more knobs. > YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, "Kevin Stover" wrote: > > > Maybe it's time for Elecraft to provide more buttons on an outboard tuning > > knob/buttons appliance. > > Pig Knob maybe. > > > > On 2/15/2015 10:14 AM, brian wrote: > > > >> Joe, > >> > >> I agree with the last sentence. From my perspective (never use > >> diversity) diversity got in the way and thus what the bad actor. Thus it > >> ought to be relocated. > >> > >> It depends upon how you operate. > >> > >> Making something available as a programmable function doesn't mean one > >> has some programmable button left to place it on. > >> > >> -- R. Kevin Stover > > AC0H > > ARRL > > FISTS #11993 > > SKCC #215 > > NAQCC #3441 > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 15 12:19:59 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:19:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0D0D9.4040805@mediacombb.net> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> <54E0C5D0.9010709@nc.rr.com> <54E0C7F7.1060200@mediacombb.net> <54E0D0D9.4040805@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <54E0D53F.5030303@embarqmail.com> Diversity mode is *not* going away. It is the VFO LINK that is not going to be available at the hold of a button. There are other means to link the VFOs is someone want to do that. Macros can be created to do many things not easily available from the K3 buttons. And then there are loggers that can issue macros, and most everyone runs with a logger although there are a some holdouts with a paper log. How many times have we heard on this reflector about a "problem" because VFO B is following VFO A. I imagine it results in many unnecessary customer support calls and emails as well. IMHO, this thread has become a bit distorted as the result of varied opinions. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 12:01 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > Well...if you don't want it...DON'T BUY IT. > Apparently the K3 has reached the point that the firmware feature set > has out paced the physical UI. > There aren't enough buttons left to keep all of the current features? > > There is a port on the bottom of every K3 that doesn't get used once > it leaves the factory. > Use that port for an external appliance to add more programmable > buttons rather than dumping features from the firmware because some > overly loud minority doesn't use the feature. > > If diversity mode is going away why would anybody NEED to buy the > second RX and filters other than to make running split easier? > > The feature set in the K3 > > On 2/15/2015 10:37 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> PLEASE .... no "pig knob" type of device! >> >> It's obvious that the user's desires can't all be met. The challenge >> becomes a case of who gets Wayne's attention. >> >> And I have -no- interest in a bigger radio just to accommodate more >> knobs. >> YAECOMWOOD already has that covered. (;-) >> >> 73 >> >> K0PP >> On Feb 15, 2015 9:23 AM, "Kevin Stover" >> wrote: >> > > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Feb 15 12:22:17 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 09:22:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54E0D5C9.7040808@coho.net> Good Morning, Recently I have started collecting classical music which is in the public domain. My list of Mozart's compositions is over 70 and growing. I have found I can listen to him all day and not get bored. Next I'll test Beethoven and Bach and see how they hold up to extended listening :) Propagation has been good to great recently. If you can find an open spot on the bands with DX dominating you can have a chat until the pileup moves over you or the tuners get too bad. It is amazing how rude operators have become since the Navassa Island expedition started up. Hopefully the 40 meter net will not be interrupted again. Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sun Feb 15 12:26:17 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001701d04944$825c1160$87143420$@gamewood.net> I can't help but chuckle. I learned years ago when software base based products became popular that YOU CAN NEVER REMOVE A FEATURE ONCE IT HAS BEEN RELEASED. There is always someone depending upon it. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Wayne Burdick Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Wayne, Please do not take out LINK. I'm using it a lot in contests and in DXpedition work Just to give you and others the idea: With both main and sub RX's on the same freq, mode and BW I link them with LINK. But here comes From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Feb 15 12:45:29 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:45:29 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] *****POSSIBLE SPAM***** Re: [K3] General coverage hijacks ham band Message-ID: <201502151745.t1FHjT02082219@huffman.acsalaska.net> Never noticed this - probably because I use memories for selecting bands and/or frequencies (M>V). I did that with my FT-847 and repeated it with the K3 and KX3. I have saved to memory one frequency for each mode per band. e.g. 14020 (50CW), 14070(51PSK), 14095.6(52WSPR), 14205(53SSB),14292(54SSB), 14303.5 (55SSB), ... 15000(57WWV),...etc So if I want to operate a particular band/mode I merely M>V and rotate VFO-A to select. I rarely use the BAND button. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Sun Feb 15 12:52:46 2015 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:52:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An adjust method for what we have? Thanks, Jim KG0KP From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 12:56:12 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:56:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Pig knob" thoughts Message-ID: If an external "knob and button" box becomes a reality ... Maybe some wise soul could determine what functions are used by most of us and the functions wanted by a relative few could be available on the external device. 73 From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Feb 15 13:05:25 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:05:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI In-Reply-To: <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1086256471.3380151.1423967133619.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1861185361.3389241.1423968366146.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The W8AMZ is a 1/4 wave vertical with two radials. This means that all of the return currents are expected to go through those two wires. Except there is a third that is very appealing to the antenna - the coax shield. You might try adding more radials. That will distribute the return current among more radials, which will also reduce the return current on the outside of the coax. In addition, choking at the feed point is very important, as is choking at the shack entry point. Quarter-wave verticals are very difficult to tame when it comes to return currents and coax. It is doable, but patience and lots of experimenting are required. The reason you see it with high power is quite simply that there is more power and the currents are much higher. Remember, the power is the square of the current, so the problem goes up exponentially with power. The KAT500 is actually no more sensitive than any other ATU to shield current problems, but we ask so much more of it than a 150 watt ATU. Getting rid of the shield currents before they get to the KAT500 and making sure the SWR on the antenna coax going to the KAT is within proper range is vital to keeping everyone happy. 73, JackB, W6FB > On Feb 14, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Jeff Hall wrote: > > I have several turns of the AC adapter cord through two snap on beads. I don't have anything on the AUX cables at this time, but that is something I should probably check. I ordered 6 of the Mix 31 Big Clamp toroids from KF7P. For the 40m vertical I'll place one choke at the feedpoint and see if the problem is resolved. If not, I'll place another choke at the KAT500. If I still have a problem, another choke will be placed at the output of the KPA500. If that still doesn't work, another choke will be placed at the output of the K3. Once I have suppressed the common mode RF on the vertical, I'll try replacing the string of ferrite beads on my hex beam's coax with a Big Clamp choke at the KAT500. > -Jeff W6UX > > On Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:25 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: > > > Do you have chokes on the power, AUX, and Serial Cables to the KAT500? > > > > > > From: Jeff Hall > To: Michael Walker ; Harry Yingst > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI > > Thanks everyone for their replies to my problem. I read Jim Brown's paper this afternoon and have ordered some mix 31 Big Clamps. I'll try putting one at each end of the 40m coax feedline (RG8X) with the prescribed number of turns. > -Jeff > > On Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:22 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > > > There are some great articles on common mode chokes > http://www.yccc.org/Articles/W1HIS/CommonModeChokesW1HIS2006Apr06.pdf > > The other is K9YC's cookbook. > Since I bought a VNA, I have been able to play with the choking value of some random chokes. Very interesting. > Mike va3mw > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > There must be something special about 40 meters and micro-controllers. > My Aquarium Controller used to do a Reset when I transmitted on 40.The cure for me was to wrap the control cable leads through Some Snap on chokes > I just installed my KAT500 today and considered taking thepower lead and wrapping it around a snap on choke a few times. > > > From: "Jeff Hall, W6UX" > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:48 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] My KAT500 seems very sensitive to common mode RFI > > I have a Hex Beam and a 40m wire vertical w/ two elevated radials. I have been fighting what appears to be a common mode RFI problem which causes the KAT500 to continuously power cycle as long as the K3 is transmitting. Generally this only occurs when driving my KPA500 amp beyond a certain output level which differs for a given band and frequency. I am powering the KAT500 with its own AC adapter. The problem can occur in both bypass and auto mode. > > 7-10 ferrite beads on the coax attached to the KAT500 solved the power cycling problem for my hex beam antenna and I successfully operate QRO in bypass mode on all bands and modes. However the beads did not help with the wire vertical. I can drive 300w into my dummy load with no ferrite beads on the coax and the KAT500 is fine. > > The SWR is low enough I should be able to use these antennas to run the KAT500 in bypass mode. If I put it in Auto mode the problem is exacerbated. I can tune the wire vertical just fine with the KAT500 in Auto mode at a tuning level of 25w from the K3. However, if I try to transmit at 5w or more (SSB for example), the KAT500 starts to power cycle. > > I have no problem using the wire vertical if it is connected directly to the K3's internal ATU. I observed that in this configuration, I could still trip the power on the KAT500 even though it's not even connected to that antenna, so I do believe this may be a common mode RF issue in the shack. Somehow noise is finding its way into the KAT500. Several turns of the AC power adapter's cord around a few ferrite beads hasn't helped either. > > I will at some point remove the KAT500 from the equation and see how things work by directly connecting the K3 to the KPA500. I would like to keep it in service as I might need it at the extreme band edges of the wire vertical. > > The vertical wire is from W8AMZ. I don't believe there is any kind of current Balun inside the feed point but I did place 10 ferrite beads over the coax at the feed point. I'm running 100' of RG8X to this antenna. The hex beam antenna is feed with LMR-400 and RG-213. > > So I don't know if the problem is specific to my vertical wire antenna and feedline or if I should suspect a defective KAT500. > > Before I take the KAT500 offline, can anyone suggest some further experiments to try? > > 73, Jeff W6UX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jebastin at fastmail.fm Sun Feb 15 13:09:49 2015 From: jebastin at fastmail.fm (John Bastin) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:09:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: On 15 Feb 2015, at 09:55, brian wrote: > > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Yes. I would vote YES for keeping XFIL. 73, John K8AJS jebastin at fastmail.fm From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Feb 15 13:16:40 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:16:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> In which radio? On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An > adjust method for what we have? > > > > Thanks, Jim KG0KP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 13:24:26 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:24:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 and make the clock actually usable. 73 Ken - K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > In which radio? > > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An >> adjust method for what we have? >> >> >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Feb 15 13:42:13 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:42:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 request - Spot function in RTTY Message-ID: <54E0E885.20180.56F12B1@Gary.ka1j.com> I'm pretty sure I would find a spot function in RTTY as it works in the CW mode, very useful. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sun Feb 15 13:44:49 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:44:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box Message-ID: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> N2TK suggested that I post this. If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. Sits next to my keyboard. It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port sharing software is required. Some free software products work. Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK. 73 de Brian/K3KO From raysills3 at verizon.net Sun Feb 15 13:52:19 2015 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:52:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Certainly, having an accurate clock inside the rig would be handy, especially for those who use manual logging. Even though wristwatches with WWVB receivers can be had fairly inexpensively, I'm sure it would be more costly for Elecraft to add it to their rigs. But, if it's available as an option, then those who want it, can buy it. Me? I just use the clock on my cell phone. And, it's a smart phone, and I have a logging program I can use. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Feb 15, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 > and KX3 > and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> In which radio? >> >> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep >>> time. An >>> adjust method for what we have? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 15 13:54:32 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <29c636ed21bd23761357aec6b4a6cf07@mwinf5d15.me-wanadoo.net> That would be no good to me, Ken, WWVB is not receivable in Great Britain. We would need MSF on 60 kHz. Remember that the KX3 & K3 are global transceivers used throughout the world. 73 David G4DMP David Pratt on his Asus Nexus 7 tablet.On 15 Feb 2015 18:24, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" /? WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 > and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > > > In which radio? > > > > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > > >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time.? An > >> adjust method for what we have? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk From alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz Sun Feb 15 13:56:07 2015 From: alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz (alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:56:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: APF and my 2 cents - I was using predefined NORM II settings for APF, if needed. The problem (my problem) is that I am using 200Hz filter in my S&P operation but for APF I use 400Hz filter. (it was my chioce - YMMV of course...) By switching on APF directly by holding XFIL button it will stay on current XFIL w/o possibility to have other defined... So in previous FW version I had three possibilities - standard XFIL, "contour" (DUAL PB) or APF (with wider XFIL by switching to NORM II settings in my case). What will be nice to switch FINE tuning on if APF activated. Thanks to Elecraft for keeping K3 better and better :-) 73! Lexa, ok1dst ---------- P?vodn? zpr?va ---------- Od: Mike Harris Komu: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Datum: 15. 2. 2015 2:05:45 P?edm?t: [Elecraft] Beta 5r10 "G'day, Just installed Beta 5r10. What a dreadful shame that the Dual PB "context/focus" mode has been done away with. I used it a lot whilst tuning up the band S&P handing out points in CW contests. Nice and smooth, easy listening, gently alerting you to the next signal in line. The APF sounds ghastly, always seemingly on the edge of ringing. Backwards step, sorry. Regards, Mike VP8NO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz" From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Sun Feb 15 13:59:51 2015 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:59:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip K3 Message-ID: <006301d04951$943f9d40$bcbed7c0$@STL-OnLine.Net> K3. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip In which radio? On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. > An adjust method for what we have? > > > > Thanks, Jim KG0KP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 14:02:57 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:02:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <29c636ed21bd23761357aec6b4a6cf07@mwinf5d15.me-wanadoo.net> References: <29c636ed21bd23761357aec6b4a6cf07@mwinf5d15.me-wanadoo.net> Message-ID: Excallent point Dave. I apologize for my "regional" thinking .... ( :-) 73 - Ken On Feb 15, 2015 11:55 AM, "David Pratt" wrote: > That would be no good to me, Ken, WWVB is not receivable in Great > Britain. We would need MSF on 60 kHz. Remember that the KX3 & K3 are > global transceivers used throughout the world. > > 73 > > David G4DMP > > David Pratt on his Asus Nexus 7 tablet.On 15 Feb 2015 18:24, Ken G Kopp < > kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist > > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and > KX3 > > and make the clock actually usable. > > > > 73 > > > > Ken - K0PP > > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > > > > > In which radio? > > > > > > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > > > > > >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep > time. An > > >> adjust method for what we have? > > >> > > >> > > >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > > >> > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Feb 15 14:17:26 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:17:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54E0F0C6.1060405@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The original poster didn't tell us which radio, so I'm not sure how much I care. The clock in my KX3 works fine, and I can use the KX3 receiver to tune in WWV (or any other time service around the world). The typical battery powered "atomic clock" only checks the time service every 4 to 6 hours. Depending on where you live (including the RF environment) it may only sync every couple of days. GPS will go from off to having the time in a minute or two, and as someone else noted, cell phones work well too (the cellular network gets time from GPS). Personally, I use my computer clock, which syncs frequently via NTP. On 2/15/2015 10:24 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and > KX3 and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Sun Feb 15 14:18:10 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:18:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1F83DA66-4A28-4A50-8A4E-F8F3D5A3784B@Alphadene.co.uk> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) We're here to put a dent in the universe. -Steve Jobs, entrepreneur and inventor (1955-2011) > On 15 Feb 2015, at 18:44, brian wrote: > > N2TK suggested that I post this. > > If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. > Sits next to my keyboard. > > It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port sharing software is required. Some free software products work. > > Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. > > No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From aldermant at windstream.net Sun Feb 15 14:20:49 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:20:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <001001d04954$81ce0ef0$856a2cd0$@windstream.net> Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request and please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers! Thanks, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Miller Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:53 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An adjust method for what we have? Thanks, Jim KG0KP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 15 14:28:25 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box Message-ID: On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: > > Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems. 73 de David G4DMP From wes at triconet.org Sun Feb 15 14:35:21 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:35:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54E0F4F9.1010606@triconet.org> I have a "smart" phone too (iPhone) Unfortunately, it's not smart enough to realize that most of AZ is smart enough to know that "Daylight Savings Time" doesn't really save any daylight, so we don't mess with our clocks twice a year. So I either have to turn off automatic updates and have it drift off a few minutes from correct time or have it "perfectly" off by an hour. Wes N7WS On 2/15/2015 11:52 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > > Me? I just use the clock on my cell phone. And, it's a smart phone, and I > have a logging program I can use. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 From bsusb at k5dkz.com Sun Feb 15 14:38:11 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:38:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E0F5A3.8040509@k5dkz.com> David, There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an upgrade. I use both. My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating systems, one of which is MSWindows David Pratt wrote: > On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: >> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? > Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems. > > 73 de David G4DMP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From w7aqk at cox.net Sun Feb 15 14:40:54 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> Seems to me the answer may be simpler than trying to use VLF transmissions for U.S. or U.K. atomic clocks. I think that technology is almost "old hat" these days. I have a "golf" watch that gives me yardages on just about any golf course in the world, and it is all coordinated by GPS satellites. It starts operating in just a few seconds from the time you turn it on--incredibly faster than the first GPS unit I owned. The time function is instantaneous, and I assume that comes from the GPS satellites as well. So, couldn?t something along this line be incorporated in a ham rig? Heck! It could even probably give you your current grid square! Maybe this sound like it could be "pricey", but I suspect the electronic "guts" of a GPS unit are becoming pretty inexpensive to create. The incredible stuff I'm getting out of China these days, and for "nickels and dimes", makes me think this is doable, and at a reasonable price! Dave W7AQK From turnbull at net1.ie Sun Feb 15 14:41:06 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:41:06 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E0F5A3.8040509@k5dkz.com> References: <54E0F5A3.8040509@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <5202D1B4C3BD430BB331142829F72B1C@DOUG1> Dear OMs, I think it was meant to be a "tongue in cheek" remark. This could however lead to mucho overreaction. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb Sent: 15 February 2015 19:38 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box David, There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an upgrade. I use both. My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating systems, one of which is MSWindows David Pratt wrote: > On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: >> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? > Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems. > > 73 de David G4DMP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Feb 15 14:42:14 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:42:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E0F5A3.8040509@k5dkz.com> References: <54E0F5A3.8040509@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <54E0F696.3040505@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> More to the point, this is a religious argument, and religion is far outside the list charter. On 2/15/2015 11:38 AM, bs usb wrote: > David, > > There are people who would argue that going to a PC is anything but an > upgrade. > > I use both. > > My MacBook drive has multiple partitions and runs multiple operating > systems, one of which is MSWindows > > David Pratt wrote: >> On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" >> wrote: >>> Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? >> Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems. >> >> 73 de David G4DMP >> ______________________________________________________________ From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Feb 15 14:45:13 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] "Pig knob" thoughts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E0F749.60406@nycap.rr.com> I have a Pigknob and find it is most useful. There are 8 buttons and a VFO type control. The great part - is no endless arguing on this reflector about what should be on the box - the user programs each button and the VFO control it to suit his personal needs. No beating features into the ground. No over engineering of air castles. Windbag experts can desist. Dang, I like simple things that just plain work. Viva the Pigknob!!! Bill W2BLC K-line From bsusb at k5dkz.com Sun Feb 15 14:46:22 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:46:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> Message-ID: <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to find out. dyarnes wrote: > Seems to me the answer may be simpler than trying to use VLF > transmissions for U.S. or U.K. atomic clocks. I think that technology > is almost "old hat" these days. > > I have a "golf" watch that gives me yardages on just about any golf > course in the world, and it is all coordinated by GPS satellites. It > starts operating in just a few seconds from the time you turn it > on--incredibly faster than the first GPS unit I owned. The time > function is instantaneous, and I assume that comes from the GPS > satellites as well. So, couldn?t something along this line be > incorporated in a ham rig? Heck! It could even probably give you > your current grid square! Maybe this sound like it could be "pricey", > but I suspect the electronic "guts" of a GPS unit are becoming pretty > inexpensive to create. The incredible stuff I'm getting out of China > these days, and for "nickels and dimes", makes me think this is > doable, and at a reasonable price! > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From pf at tippete.net Sun Feb 15 14:51:15 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:51:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> (brian's message of "Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:55:17 +0000") References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> >>>>> "brian" == brian writes: brian> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? I do :) Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 14:53:09 2015 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:53:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 upgrade advise Message-ID: Soon I will be placing an order for the KSYN3AUPG board for my K3 and at the same time since the rig will be apart try to order any other upgrade mod's for the rig. One mod I was looking at was I have REV C DSP board and see that I can add K3DSPLPF board. Does this board offer any other enhancement other than a LPF to roll off the RX audio above 4 KHz? The Serial number of my K3 is 3619 it no longer has the Sub receiver and is the low power model at 10 watts is there any other upgrades I should consider? figure may as well order them all at once save on shipping. Thanks in advance Mike Weir VE3WDM From phystad at mac.com Sun Feb 15 14:55:28 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:55:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <001001d04954$81ce0ef0$856a2cd0$@windstream.net> References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <001001d04954$81ce0ef0$856a2cd0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4ADF16ED-FF5B-477A-A7CC-8D3FF8284823@mac.com> Ditto. There would be a great advancement in civilization if vendors of various electronic gear can focus on the purpose of the gear rather than adding a silly clock unless the electronic gear is indeed a clock. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > > Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request and > please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers! > > Thanks, > > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Miller > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:53 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip > > Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An > adjust method for what we have? > > > > Thanks, Jim KG0KP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Feb 15 15:04:01 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:04:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: > Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are > or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to > find out. Not so much "People who don't know" as "People who don't care to know ". The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the stopped clock which is accurate twice a day. As operators of precision electric equipment that spews signals into "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I feel that we have an obligation to know stuff like that. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Feb 15 16:00:33 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:00:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: B I N G O !!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Pratt Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:28 AM To: David Ferrington, M0XDF Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box On 15 Feb 2015 19:18, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: > > Hmmm - what about us iMac lovers? Upgrade to a PC. That would solve a lot of compatability problems. 73 de David G4DMP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 16:23:40 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1315471422.3775211.1424035420354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line) I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad. Thank you From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box N2TK suggested that I post this. If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. Sits next to my keyboard. It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer.? K3 port sharing software is required.? Some free software products work. Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK. 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Feb 15 16:29:41 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <54DFB242.7080206@subich.com> References: <54DF6AC9.2070000@cox.net> <54DFB242.7080206@subich.com> Message-ID: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front > bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned > the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if > the KRX3 is in place. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >> removing the KRX3 >> 73, Ken K3IU >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>> the >>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>> >>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>> photos in >>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>> which >>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>> >>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>> >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>> To: Elecraft List >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>> >>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 15 16:30:09 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <54E10FE1.3030206@embarqmail.com> Phil, I guess I am one of those don't care types much of the time :-) . I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I want to know what time it is. I for one have no use for a clock in a radio. If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me all I need to know and does not take up display space on the radio. Usually I don't care what time it is unless I have an appointment - my stomach tells me when it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work that I do is on my own schedule. I usually know where I am, but if not, I try first to consult with a map - can't stand those GPS units that tell you what to do and where to turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: > >> Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are >> or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to >> find out. > Not so much "People who don't know" as "People who don't care to know ". > The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the stopped clock which is > accurate twice a day. > > As operators of precision electric equipment that spews signals into > "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I feel that we have an > obligation to know stuff like that. > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 16:50:50 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> But what about us old Head bangers? From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front > bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case.? In addition, Wayne mentioned > the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if > the KRX3 is in place. > > 73, > >? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >> removing the KRX3 >> 73, Ken K3IU >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>> the >>> synths.? I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>> >>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>> photos in >>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>> which >>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3.? Could >>> we confirm whether R&R is required?? Message below says it is. >>> >>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>> >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>> To: Elecraft List >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board.? . . . >>>> >>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ormandj at corenode.com Sun Feb 15 16:51:17 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:51:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting reference frequency some time after tx compensation Message-ID: Hi, A while ago (months) I did the extended temperature compensation procedure using the XG50, which seemed successful. I decided to tune up to 20MHz recently, and noticed when in CW mode, if I ran spot (manual) I was off, by a small margin (33Hz). I'm assuming this is normal as time goes on, is this a correct assumption? Second question: assuming it is normal, and I should periodically re-calibrate using the XG50 or a known signal like WWV, is it safe to go to ref cal in the menu, unlock it, and manually tune/zero beat to adjust the frequency - without losing the calibration gained from doing the extended temperature compensation procedure? I'd rather not have to repeat that process any more than necessary, so I'm hoping the look-up table that generates is for something like offset based on temperature and so remains constant, and only the main reference calibration needs changing? I did this to test, and the menu item is still 'REF*CAL'. Tapping CMP while in this menu option, I have verified it is set to 'CUSTOM'. I appreciate any feedback, David From ormandj at corenode.com Sun Feb 15 17:04:51 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:04:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - odd 'missing' signal Message-ID: I've noticed on various modes/combinations of spans, I show some what look like null regions. Sometimes it's right where I'm tuned, sometimes it's offset. In this picture, I am tuned to 14.055.050, in CW mode, span is 2, and there is a deep null area centered somewhere around 14.056.05. In some modes, this is troublesome, especially when it's right on the cursor where I am tuned. I must be doing something wrong, so would appreciate any feedback you can give me regarding this / how to fix it. Here's an image showing what I am talking about: http://ormandj.corenode.com/images/radio/elecraft/px3-null.jpg Thank you David From hsherriff at reagan.com Sun Feb 15 17:09:13 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box Message-ID: I would be interested as well? Harlan? NC3C? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line) I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad. Thank you From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box N2TK suggested that I post this. If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. Sits next to my keyboard. It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port sharing software is required. Some free software products work. Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK. 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 17:16:19 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could something like this be adapted for us KX3 owners as well? 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM, hsherriff wrote: > I would be interested as well > > Harlan > NC3C > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > >
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I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for > the Atmel AVR Line) > I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a > Genovation Keypad. > Thank you > > > From: brian > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box > > N2TK suggested that I post this. > > If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I > have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. > Sits next to my keyboard. > > It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port > sharing software is required. Some free software products work. > > Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. > > No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for > me OK. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 15 17:26:40 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:26:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <54E0E288.7010707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54E11D20.60608@socal.rr.com> Usable only in the part of the world where WWVB is receivable. Phil W7OX On 2/15/15 10:24 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 > and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> In which radio? >> >> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An >>> adjust method for what we have? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 17:27:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <1892804917.1238436.1424038499919.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <660E6DE149A5460C8E9409204B7004C7@DOUG1> <1892804917.1238436.1424038499919.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595370783.3802747.1424039220369.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Genovation,?provides the software to program them. They are basically a fully programmable keypad that you would just write a macro for each key. I plan on buying on at some point but just gave other projects that have taken priority. The keyboard should just plug into the K3, But I want to experiment with "Y"ing it with the PC(Perhaps with Diodes to have the keypad not interfere with the computer). I have installed them before in commercial settings and they seem to work well. From: Doug Turnbull To: 'Harry Yingst' Cc: Brendan Minish Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box #yiv1160974905 -- filtered {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}#yiv1160974905 filtered {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv1160974905 p.yiv1160974905MsoNormal, #yiv1160974905 li.yiv1160974905MsoNormal, #yiv1160974905 div.yiv1160974905MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv1160974905 a:link, #yiv1160974905 span.yiv1160974905MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1160974905 a:visited, #yiv1160974905 span.yiv1160974905MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1160974905 span.yiv1160974905EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;}#yiv1160974905 filtered {margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}#yiv1160974905 div.yiv1160974905Section1 {}#yiv1160974905 Harry, ???? You should perhaps share this replywith others on the reflector. ???I do not need so many buttons but could easilyprogram several buttons for the same memory function. ? ???? Who provides the programmingsoftware? ??Do you download to the Keypad via the serial port? ??Does one write Mac ros for the K3/KX3? Using thestandard Elecraft procedure? ??I have not done this previously but know Ei6IZwho has and could seek advice from Brendan. ?? ? ????? I am very likely to give this a try andwould like to hear more if it is not too much trouble.?? You might as mentionedat the start like to share this with our fellows on the reflector. ???Thank youso much for your kind reply. ? ?????????????????????? 73 Doug EI2CN ? From: Harry Yingst [mailto:hlyingst at yahoo.com] Sent: 15 February 2015 21:47 To: Doug Turnbull Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ButtonBox ? it'sa serial Keypad,?with lots of programmable buttons? ? LookHere?http://www.eham.net/articles/32176 ? From: Doug Turnbull < turnbull at net1.ie > To: ' Harry Yingst ' Sent: Sunday, February 15, 20154:41 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 ButtonBox Harry, ? ? Just what does the Genovation Keypad do for you and how does one interface it to the K3 and then use it?? ? Can I use it to activatethe DVR voice and CW messages?? ? ? ? It has always been a pain holding my index finger up at an uncomfortable angle and height to the M1 through M4 buttons.? Then sometimes in the middle of the pile up my finger slips hitting another button.? This is one of the weak spots in the K3 design but one which I am afraid will not be addressed.? It has been brought up before and wellthere is so much good about the K3 that one feels churlish to complain. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] OnBehalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: 15 February 2015 21:24 To: brian; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line) I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad. Thank you ? ? ? From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box ? N2TK suggested that I post this. If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. Sits next to my keyboard. It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer.? K3 port sharing software is required.? Some free software products work. Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me OK. 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie ? ? From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 17:30:08 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:30:08 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> Message-ID: Leave LINK as it is please. I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 5:51 AM, "Pierfrancesco Caci" wrote: > >>>>> "brian" == brian writes: > > > brian> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > > I do :) > Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. > > -- > Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sun Feb 15 17:31:29 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:31:29 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <54E0B643.6000002@subich.com> Message-ID: <002301d0496f$29c0c0c0$7d424240$@co.uk> It is probably true that Elecraft can never remove any existing feature without upsetting some existing users... so the way forward would be to add the new alternatives as *options*. The point about options is: nobody is compelled to choose them! The factory defaults would usually need to stay as they are, because of the existing labels on the buttons and the front panel. So anyone who doesn't want those new options would be able to carry on exactly as before. Those who do want to select new options would have to accept that the existing 'tap' and 'hold' labels would no longer be quite accurate. For me, that would be no big deal - my first priority is always what the K3's controls *do*. But others will have different priorities, and that is precisely why new features need to be offered as *options*. But having said that... >> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? Why does the K3 have an XFIL control at all? It seems like a carry-over from the K2, where the selectivity came from the crystal filters and the XFIL button was the primary bandwidth control. But the bandwidth of the K3 has always been defined primarily by the DSP so XFIL has never made sense to me. However, AB9CA makes a very valid point that the WIDTH control requires excessive cranking at larger bandwidths. If the WIDTH, HIGH and LOW functions could be improved by making their rates of change proportional to the bandwidth, then there would be even less need or justification for using XFIL. >> Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. W4TV replied: > >No, retaining the dual context CW filter and assigning APF to XFIL >and Dual PB to the current DUAL PB function makes more sense. > Agreed, that definitely isn't the right place to relocate the Diversity function. There are already three existing functions competing for that button, without adding another. I would support an option to replace XFIL with APF as the main ('tap') function - which would then correspond more closely to the KX3 - and to bring back DUAL PB for 'hold'. >Leave DIV as SUB Hold as it is in 5.10 and make LINK available >as a programmable function (LN0;/LN1;). Having LINK as SUB >HOLD and DIV as an extra long hold is/was very difficult from >an ergonomic perspective. Agreed in every detail. Finally, on the subject of an external button-box, I don't ever want to see external boxes and macros being used as band-aids for existing controls that don't function as effectively as they could. Much more can still be done to improve the ergonomic 'rough edges' of the existing front panel. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 15 17:33:56 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:33:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E10FE1.3030206@embarqmail.com> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> <54E10FE1.3030206@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock in a radio. OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-) I do wonder why there is one at all. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Phil, > > I guess I am one of those don't care types much > of the time :-) . > > I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I > want to know what time it is. > I for one have no use for a clock in a radio. > If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me > all I need to know and does not take up display > space on the radio. > Usually I don't care what time it is unless I > have an appointment - my stomach tells me when > it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work > that I do is on my own schedule. > > I usually know where I am, but if not, I try > first to consult with a map - can't stand those > GPS units that tell you what to do and where to > turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and > "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: >> >>> Only one problem that I can see. People who >>> don't know where they are >>> or what time of day it is are probably not >>> interested paying money to >>> find out. >> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People >> who don't care to know ". >> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the >> stopped clock which is >> accurate twice a day. >> >> As operators of precision electric equipment >> that spews signals into >> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I >> feel that we have an >> obligation to know stuff like that. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Feb 15 17:34:17 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:34:17 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: <201502152234.t1FMYImQ051872@denali.acsalaska.net> YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use "FL3" which has no filter installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it "sucks out at zero frequency" on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL several times an hour on eme. Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. snip== 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 15 17:34:34 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 14:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> And those with no cat?:-) On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > But what about us old Head bangers? > > > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question > > It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned >> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >> the KRX3 is in place. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>> removing the KRX3 >>> 73, Ken K3IU >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>> the >>>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>> >>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>> photos in >>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>> which >>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>>> >>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>> >>>> >>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>> >>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>> >>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>>> >>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From averill at mchsi.com Sun Feb 15 17:46:27 2015 From: averill at mchsi.com (George Averill) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Still need help with K6XX CW Tuning Indicator on K1 Message-ID: All, I feel like I?m trying to perform brain surgery with a pocket knife. All of my test equipment is as ancient as I am. HI Where did all the tubes go? The first kit didn?t work so I have ordered another one. That should solve the problem if the problem is the IC in the kit. I will also try to take more time soldering the surface mount components this time. What really puzzles me is that, with the kit out of the circuit, and using a scope, I have never been able to pull a 600 Hz sidetone signal off the side of the volume control, but I can off the speaker. I?m positive that the wire to the volume control is OK, and it?s connected to AF1 at the volume control coming from the AF Preamp. It?s also connected as per the instructions that came with the kit. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. 73, George, K4EOR From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 17:56:31 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:56:31 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <201502152234.t1FMYImQ051872@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201502152234.t1FMYImQ051872@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: Ed Your last paragraph, to me, is spot on. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 8:35 AM, "Edward R Cole" wrote: > YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service > when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use "FL3" which has no filter > installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap > off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. > > Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it "sucks out > at zero frequency" on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL > allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal > levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL > several times an hour on eme. > > Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I > ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is > integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). > > I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract > by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central > feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. > > > On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: > > Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > > Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. > snip== > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Feb 15 17:57:51 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:57:51 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip Message-ID: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> I shouldn't comment (but I will): I don't use the K3 digital clock for logging as I have (too many) other clocks set up in the shack. When I am doing eme I have JT65 running that tells me accurate time to 10ms from NIST sources via D4 running on the computer. In fact the time is always running under D4 on the computer, so any sw taking time from the computer clock is likewise accurate. When I think of it, I update the time using the K3 Utility. There is much more important sw development for Elecraft to focus on (in my opinion - which is never humble ;-)) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Feb 15 18:04:28 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:04:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > And those with no cat?:-) > > On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >> But what about us old Head bangers? >> >> >> >> >> From: Wayne Burdick >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >> >>> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >>> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned >>> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >>> the KRX3 is in place. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>>> removing the KRX3 >>>> 73, Ken K3IU >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>>> the >>>>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>>> >>>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>>> photos in >>>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>>> which >>>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>>>> >>>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>> >>>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>>>> >>>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 15 18:04:53 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:04:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <201502152234.t1FMYImQ051872@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54E12615.5090403@subich.com> I don't think anyone is talking about getting rid of Diversity - which is one of the differentiating features of the K3. What many are saying - and what Elecraft did in 5.10 - is that removing the second SUB "Hold" function for the generally inferior "LINK" option is appropriate. ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-15 5:56 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Ed > > Your last paragraph, to me, is spot on. > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 16/02/2015 8:35 AM, "Edward R Cole" wrote: > >> YES - I use XFIL repeatedly to shutdown the IF or restore it to service >> when doing eme. I have DATA-A configured to use "FL3" which has no filter >> installed in order to disconnect the 2nd IF when I am running MAP65. I tap >> off the 1st IF into the LP-Pan, to Delta44 soundcard. >> >> Why do I do that? FL2 is populated with 2.8-KHz filter and it "sucks out >> at zero frequency" on the MAP65 band display. selecting FL3 with XFIL >> allows me to have no load from the 2nd IF. But if I want to check signal >> levels with the S-meter I only have to tap XFIL to restore FL2. I use XFIL >> several times an hour on eme. >> >> Regarding use of Diversity - that IS why I bought the KRX3 subreceiver. I >> ALWAYS run Diversity reception when I select the subreceiver because it is >> integral to my dual-polarity adaptive receiving system (used on 2m-eme). >> >> I would consider loss of use of Diversity Reception a breach of contract >> by Elecraft. I have over $10k invested with the K3 Diversity Rx as central >> feature of the system. It IS why I bought the K3. >> >> >> On 2015-02-15 9:55 AM, brian wrote: >>> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? >>> Perhaps relocation of diversity there makes more sense. >> snip== >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >> "Kits made by KL7UW" >> Dubus Mag business: >> dubususa at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 18:28:42 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:28:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated every 15 minutes by NTP. Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the radio is already on too]. If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter the shack while remote. Can that be put on the list? Rick wa6nhc From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 18:37:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> References: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <630884861.3836711.1424043458537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Probably had a little program space free way back when. I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3 utility. Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it off the PC once a day From: Phil Wheeler To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock in a radio. OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-) I do wonder why there is one at all. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Phil, > > I guess I am one of those don't care types much > of the time :-) . > > I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I > want to know what time it is. > I for one have no use for a clock in a radio.? > If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me > all I need to know and does not take up display > space on the radio. > Usually I don't care what time it is unless I > have an appointment - my stomach tells me when > it is time to eat.? I am retired, and the work > that I do is on my own schedule. > > I usually know where I am, but if not, I try > first to consult with a map - can't stand those > GPS units that tell you what to do and where to > turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and > "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: >> >>> Only one problem that I can see.? People who >>> don't know where they are >>> or what time of day it is are probably not >>> interested paying money to >>> find out. >> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People >> who don't care to know ". >>? The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the >> stopped clock which is >> accurate twice a day. >> >> As operators of precision electric equipment >> that spews signals into >> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I >> feel that we have an >> obligation to know stuff like that. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 18:43:12 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:43:12 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <630884861.3836711.1424043458537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> <630884861.3836711.1424043458537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the utility to set the clock and have done this for 7 years. About 4 times i reckon.....:-) Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 9:37 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" wrote: > > Probably had a little program space free way back when. > I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3 > utility. > Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it > off the PC once a day > > > From: Phil Wheeler > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip > > I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock > in a radio. > > OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the > K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as > the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-) > > I do wonder why there is one at all. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Phil, > > > > I guess I am one of those don't care types much > > of the time :-) . > > > > I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I > > want to know what time it is. > > I for one have no use for a clock in a radio. > > If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me > > all I need to know and does not take up display > > space on the radio. > > Usually I don't care what time it is unless I > > have an appointment - my stomach tells me when > > it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work > > that I do is on my own schedule. > > > > I usually know where I am, but if not, I try > > first to consult with a map - can't stand those > > GPS units that tell you what to do and where to > > turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and > > "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: > >> > >>> Only one problem that I can see. People who > >>> don't know where they are > >>> or what time of day it is are probably not > >>> interested paying money to > >>> find out. > >> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People > >> who don't care to know ". > >> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the > >> stopped clock which is > >> accurate twice a day. > >> > >> As operators of precision electric equipment > >> that spews signals into > >> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I > >> feel that we have an > >> obligation to know stuff like that. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From santini at verizon.net Sun Feb 15 18:44:42 2015 From: santini at verizon.net (Jim Wilkie) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:44:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <630884861.3836711.1424043458537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> <630884861.3836711.1424043458537.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E12F6A.10109@verizon.net> Just got my K3 couple of weeks ago and love the clock feature..must admit I miss WWVL..yes I am old.. Jim WY4R On 2/15/2015 6:37 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > Probably had a little program space free way back when. > I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3 utility. > Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it off the PC once a day > > > From: Phil Wheeler > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip > > I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock > in a radio. > > OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the > K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as > the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-) > > I do wonder why there is one at all. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Phil, >> >> I guess I am one of those don't care types much >> of the time :-) . >> >> I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I >> want to know what time it is. >> I for one have no use for a clock in a radio. >> If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me >> all I need to know and does not take up display >> space on the radio. >> Usually I don't care what time it is unless I >> have an appointment - my stomach tells me when >> it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work >> that I do is on my own schedule. >> >> I usually know where I am, but if not, I try >> first to consult with a map - can't stand those >> GPS units that tell you what to do and where to >> turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and >> "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >>> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote: >>> >>>> Only one problem that I can see. People who >>>> don't know where they are >>>> or what time of day it is are probably not >>>> interested paying money to >>>> find out. >>> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People >>> who don't care to know ". >>> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the >>> stopped clock which is >>> accurate twice a day. >>> >>> As operators of precision electric equipment >>> that spews signals into >>> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I >>> feel that we have an >>> obligation to know stuff like that. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to santini at verizon.net > From aldermant at windstream.net Sun Feb 15 18:46:17 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Clock chip References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> <001001d04954$81ce0ef0$856a2cd0$@windstream.net> <54E0F780.8080301@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <003101d04979$978aa260$c69fe720$@windstream.net> Your listed email address does not work. -----Original Message----- From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'Phil Kane' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Clock chip I am a retired professional microwave circuit and systems design engineer and I DO consider asking for an accurate clock in a ham radio transceiver a 'childish request'. You can BUY an atomic clock to hang on your wall for less than $50 or you could just look at your PC and if you have it set up correct, see very accurate time information. I consider development of transceiver improvements MUCH more important than I do having engineers spend putting an accurate clock in a good transceiver. As a communications engineer I understand your 'need' for an accurate clock, however I think you are looking for it in a hobby item, inappropriate. 73, Tom - W4BQF K3-100F s/n 4521 - Alpha 9500 amp - 2 el 40m yagi and 16 el tribander >From the backwoods of Cecil, Ga. Pop. 253 -----Original Message----- From: Phil Kane [mailto:k2asp at kanafi.org] Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:46 PM To: Chester Alderman Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip On 2/15/2015 11:20 AM, Chester Alderman wrote: > Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request > and please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers! I for one - a professional communications engineer - do not consider asking for a clock chip that keeps accurate time as a "childish request". The opposite - I consider it a necessity, and I consider having a clock that does not keep accurate time and/or display accurate time of day a detriment. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From dmb at lightstream.net Sun Feb 15 19:23:16 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:23:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - odd 'missing' signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64786.71.74.118.201.1424046196.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> I have noticed this null as well. In SSB mode, the null is right at the carrier frequency. In CW mode, the null is offset from the carrier frequency by the amount of the sidetone pitch. Engaging ALT switches the null to the other side of the carrier, again by the amount of the sidetone pitch. I don't recall seeing this on earlier versions of the firmware (though that doesn't mean it wasn't there) Firmware versions here are: PX3 Firmware version: 01.16 KX3: uC: 02.30 dsP: 01.32 73, Dale WA8SRA > I've noticed on various modes/combinations of spans, I show some what look > like null regions. Sometimes it's right where I'm tuned, sometimes it's > offset. In this picture, I am tuned to 14.055.050, in CW mode, span is 2, > and there is a deep null area centered somewhere around 14.056.05. > > In some modes, this is troublesome, especially when it's right on the > cursor where I am tuned. I must be doing something wrong, so would > appreciate any feedback you can give me regarding this / how to fix it. > > Here's an image showing what I am talking about: > http://ormandj.corenode.com/images/radio/elecraft/px3-null.jpg > > Thank you > David From nf4l at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 18:55:47 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I tried the cat method. He objected to the ground probe. When my arms heal, I'll try with a clip lead. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> And those with no cat?:-) >> >> On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>> But what about us old Head bangers? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Wayne Burdick >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >>> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >>> >>>> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >>>> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned >>>> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >>>> the KRX3 is in place. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>>>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>>>> removing the KRX3 >>>>> 73, Ken K3IU >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>>>> the >>>>>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>>>> >>>>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>>>> photos in >>>>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>>>> which >>>>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>>>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From challinan at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 19:00:32 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: I am also interested in your design. Are there any commercial solutions out there? Thanks, Chris On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, brian wrote: > N2TK suggested that I post this. > > If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a > 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. > Sits next to my keyboard. > > It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port > sharing software is required. Some free software products work. > > Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. > > No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me > OK. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From nf4l at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 19:00:41 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:00:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> I'm still puzzled as to why there's a clock at all. Everything I do that requires time is picked up from the computer. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > > I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated every 15 minutes by NTP. > > Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). > > I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the radio is already on too]. > > If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter the shack while remote. > > Can that be put on the list? > > Rick wa6nhc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Feb 15 19:05:00 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:05:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> I rarely carry my computer on the trail, but I do carry my KX3. It would be nice if the KX3 Utility could trim the clock rate. It can read it and set it. If it recorded the last time the clock was set, it could set a drift correction, assuming that the clock chip supports that. wunder Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I'm still puzzled as to why there's a clock at all. Everything I do that requires time is picked up from the computer. > > 73, Mike NF4L > >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> >> I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated every 15 minutes by NTP. >> >> Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). >> >> I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the radio is already on too]. >> >> If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter the shack while remote. >> >> Can that be put on the list? >> >> Rick wa6nhc >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 15 19:14:31 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:14:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Still need help with K6XX CW Tuning Indicator on K1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E13667.4080305@embarqmail.com> George, The sidetone comes into the AF2 (wiper) connection to the AF gain control, try there with your 'scope. You might see it at AF1, but that depends on the position of the AF Gain - at normal AF Gain settings it may be too small there for the amplitude setting of your 'scope. As for the K6XX CW indicator functioning - and since you do have a 'scope - then once you can power up the indicator board, look for an audio signal between ground and either side of the capacitor to the left of the tuning pot (the cap above the IC). You should find a sawtooth signal there. If you want to pre-adjust the frequency of the indicator, adjust the pot until you have the frequency of that waveform at your desired sidetone pitch. I use a frequency counter, but you can use a 'scope with some arithmetic based on the horizontal time base setting of your 'scope. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 5:46 PM, George Averill wrote: > All, > > I feel like I?m trying to perform brain surgery with a pocket knife. All of my test equipment is as ancient as I am. HI Where did all the tubes go? > > The first kit didn?t work so I have ordered another one. That should solve the problem if the problem is the IC in the kit. I will also try to take more time soldering the surface mount components this time. > > What really puzzles me is that, with the kit out of the circuit, and using a scope, I have never been able to pull a 600 Hz sidetone signal off the side of the volume control, but I can off the speaker. I?m positive that the wire to the volume control is OK, and it?s connected to AF1 at the volume control coming from the AF Preamp. It?s also connected as per the instructions that came with the kit. > > From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 15 19:16:42 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E136EA.2040104@subich.com> > Are there any commercial solutions out there? It looks like the Genovation CP24 would be one commercial solution. It is programmable ~100 bytes per macro and if one of the keys is dedicated as a toggle the user can program up to 46 macros (24 normal, 24 alternate or shifted). Note: the software provides for more than one shift/toggle key but the keypad has only one LED indicator which would make it difficult to handle more than two levels of macros with a toggle - of course more than two levels are available without any ambiguity using "shift" keys. The CP24 is available in multiple versions - a serial version that could probably be connected directly to the K3 for stand alone use (without computer logging software) and a USB version that could be used (with port splitting software) in a computer with a logging program. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-15 7:00 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > I am also interested in your design. > Are there any commercial solutions out there? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:44 PM, brian wrote: >> N2TK suggested that I post this. >> >> If anybody wants to try HBing an external "button box" for the K3, I have a >> 16 button design which uses a $5 PIC. >> Sits next to my keyboard. >> >> It connects to the K3 via serial port to the station computer. K3 port >> sharing software is required. Some free software products work. >> >> Glad to send schematic , pix of final product and some notes. >> >> No doubt a professional could create a better product but it works for me >> OK. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > > From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 19:26:35 2015 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: An Arduino with a GPS could be programmed to update the clock via the serial port for those who need perfect time. Nick N1KMP Walter Underwood wrote on 2/15/2015 6:05 PM: > I rarely carry my computer on the trail, but I do carry my KX3. > > It would be nice if the KX3 Utility could trim the clock rate. It can read it and set it. If it recorded the last time the clock was set, it could set a drift correction, assuming that the clock chip supports that. > > wunder > Walter Underwood > wunder at wunderwood.org > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > > I'm still puzzled as to why there's a clock at all. Everything I do that requires time is picked up from the computer. > > > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > >> > >> I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated every 15 minutes by NTP. > >> > >> Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). > >> > >> I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the radio is already on too]. > >> > >> If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter the shack while remote. > >> > >> Can that be put on the list? > >> > >> Rick wa6nhc > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com From ditzian at windstream.net Sun Feb 15 19:29:07 2015 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra keys for the K3 or KX3 Message-ID: <54E139D3.4080406@windstream.net> A number of hams have discussed wanting more programmable buttons on the K3 or KX3, or how to implement an external keyboard for these radios. There is an alternative, free approach, if you use a logging program that passes commands to the radio. I use Logger32, which has something called "Radio Control Panel," that shows a small panoramic display of the passband, but which also contains software keys (12, 24, or 36). Logger32 passes through commands that are shown in the "Elecraft K3 and KX3 Programmer's Reference." For example, to mimic a memory key, the following Logger32 code plus K3 code works: $command FA00014310000;$ sends the command FA00014310000 to the K3, which causes the K3 to go to 14.310 MHz. The beginning and end $ signs, the semicolon, and the word "command" are required by Logger32; the code is specified in the Programmer's Reference. Here is the code to clear a split: $command FR0;$ the last character in the programming code is a zero (0). If you use a logging program that works this way, you need no additional hardware and you can get the first button (of 36) programmed in two minutes, just to check it out. FIY, I have a vested interest in Logger32--the author gives me 50% of the profit from each sale of the program, which is free. He has not stiffed me yet. 73, Jan, KX2A From jmeloranta at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 19:48:05 2015 From: jmeloranta at gmail.com (Jussi Eloranta) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:48:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? Message-ID: <54E13E45.2090803@gmail.com> Hi, As the current Linux/Intel desktop at my station decided take its last breath, I am exploring the option of replacing it with an ARM based system; either Banana Pi (ARM based computer; about $45) or Raspberry Pi2 (about the same for $35). I have figured out everything else (dual monitor support, USB-RS232, logging programs etc.) but the only missing piece is to be able to update the firmware in my K3. The firmware update program is available only for Linux/Intel platforms and not for Linux/ARM. Are there any plans to support Linux/ARM in the future? At this point it would be enough for me to hear that such support is planned. Thanks, Jussi Eloranta (AA6KJ) From dave at nk7z.net Sun Feb 15 19:48:10 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:48:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <1315471422.3775211.1424035420354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> <1315471422.3775211.1424035420354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1424047690.10003.28.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Could you expand a bit on the keypad please? Like how it connects to the K3/P3, with SVGA I assume? I am new enough to the K3 to have never heard of this. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 21:23 +0000, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I'd be interested in seeing what you have done (though I'm setup for the Atmel AVR Line) > I've been considering taking the easy way out and just getting a Genovation Keypad. > Thank you > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Feb 15 19:50:30 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:50:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> Message-ID: <1424047830.10003.29.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I would second the request to leave LINK in as well... Please! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 08:30 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote: > Leave LINK as it is please. > > I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 16/02/2015 5:51 AM, "Pierfrancesco Caci" wrote: > > > >>>>> "brian" == brian writes: > > > > > > brian> Question: does anybody really use XFIL? > > > > I do :) > > Maybe I should learn to use Norm I/II more, instead. > > > > -- > > Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Feb 15 19:51:54 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Arie, I agree?with you 'LINK' should?not be abandoned.??Please excuse my language, I would consider the?idea of?abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ?Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function?of LINK for both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception.? I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?02?16? (??) 1:10 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Tony LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you turn the dial knob. So both receivers keep working on the same freq. What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two antennas on the samen freq. Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that switch the audio to my liking (that can? also be done in the Config, but that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main RX (main RX audio on both ears)? or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both ears) depending on where the signal is best. The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like this. 73 Arie PA3A N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: > Hi Arie, > I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on > the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? > Tnx > N2TK, Tony ..... > - F9 = listen A-B > - F10 = listen A-A > - F11 = listen B-B > - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK > the VFO's. > > ______________________________________________________________ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 19:53:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1452723548.2254241.1424048005346.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Ray I agree with you! For those who insist on having an accurate working clock. Please also insist on it going " Tic Toc " Why are we sweating the small stuff??Times like these are when I truly believe that Wayne has us spoiled. ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. From: Ray Sills To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip Certainly, having an accurate clock inside the rig would be handy,? especially for those who use manual logging.? Even though wristwatches? with WWVB receivers can be had fairly inexpensively, I'm sure it would? be more costly for Elecraft to add it to their rigs.? But, if it's? available as an option, then those who want it, can buy it. Me?? I just use the clock on my cell phone.? And, it's a smart phone,? and I have a logging program I can use. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Feb 15, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" /? WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3? > and KX3 > and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> In which radio? >> >> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep? >>> time.? An >>> adjust method for what we have? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Feb 15 19:58:10 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:58:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: <54E13E45.2090803@gmail.com> References: <54E13E45.2090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20150216005810.GJ25116@n0nb.us> This is just a thought, but it may be possible to use Qemu to create an i386 virtual machine and install a minimal desktop distro that you can use the Elecraft utilities with. I did nearly the same thing here using VirtualBox on my amd64 (x86_64) desktop machine running Debian. The VM is running Debian Stable with a lightweight desktop environment and it works just fine the few times I need it. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From w1ksz at earthlink.net Sun Feb 15 20:00:28 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <1452723548.2254241.1424048005346.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1452723548.2254241.1424048005346.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E1412C.5000104@earthlink.net> It escapes me why you need an accurate clock in your rig. You can sync your computer to WWV, from that the time in your log is determined. What else is a clock good for ?? Besides, unless it's locked to GPS, it will show the wrong time, no matter how good people say it is. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/15/2015 5:53 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote: > Ray I agree with you! > For those who insist on having an accurate working clock. Please also insist on it going " Tic Toc " > Why are we sweating the small stuff? Times like these are when I truly believe that Wayne has us spoiled. > > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. > > From: Ray Sills > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip > > Certainly, having an accurate clock inside the rig would be handy, > especially for those who use manual logging. Even though wristwatches > with WWVB receivers can be had fairly inexpensively, I'm sure it would > be more costly for Elecraft to add it to their rigs. But, if it's > available as an option, then those who want it, can buy it. > > Me? I just use the clock on my cell phone. And, it's a smart phone, > and I have a logging program I can use. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > On Feb 15, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist >> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 >> and KX3 >> and make the clock actually usable. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken - K0PP >> On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < >> KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: >> >>> In which radio? >>> >>> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >>> >>>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep >>>> time. An >>>> adjust method for what we have? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From kk5f at earthlink.net Sun Feb 15 20:08:44 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:08:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <7466122.1424048925043.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > I DO consider asking for an accurate clock in a ham radio transceiver a 'childish request'... and > Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request ... We have some riding their high horses here. :-) Radio clocks that synch to LF or GPS signals seem to me gross overkill. How about a plain clock such as found in the last three $15 Casio watches I've purchased at Walmart...all of which gain less than 0.2 seconds per day, on or off wrist? Is something like *that* too much to ask from a ham radio internal RT clock? Button cell backup should always be provided as well. Mike / KK5F From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 15 20:13:14 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:13:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E1442A.2010706@subich.com> > Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the > odds even with simple antennae. Diversity is entirely different than LINK. Diversity as engaged by a one second HOLD of the SUB button in FW 5.10 (and a two second hold in prior firmware versions) uses the same synthesizer for both receivers so they are phase locked. LINK as engaged by a one second HOLD of the SUB button in prior versions of the software only slaves the two VFOs with a constant offset which means the two receivers will vary randomly in phase causing signals to fade in and out as the receivers vary from in-phase to out-of-phase and back. FW 5.10 simply moves true diversity to the one second hold of position of the SUB button - as it should be - instead of requiring a two second hold and relegates the inferior LINK to a programmable function. > During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I > did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for > both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity > reception. The 7800 can not phase lock the two receivers. Their dual receive system is not capable of true diversity operation even if the receivers are tuned to the same frequency (as they can be with software like CI-V Commander - part of the DXLab Suite of software). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-15 7:51 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Arie, > I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. > During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. > Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?02?16? (??) 1:10 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > > Tony > > LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you > turn the dial knob. > So both receivers keep working on the same freq. > > What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two > antennas on the samen freq. > Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the > Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. > In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that > switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but > that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening > from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main > RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both > ears) depending on where the signal is best. > The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's > really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like > this. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > > > > > > N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: >> Hi Arie, >> I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on >> the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony > ..... >> - F9 = listen A-B >> - F10 = listen A-A >> - F11 = listen B-B >> - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK >> the VFO's. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ormandj at corenode.com Sun Feb 15 20:17:07 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:17:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling Message-ID: Hi, I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting my KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a. Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source. Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and see an Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp setting or the RF source level. This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If I turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) What am I doing wrong/missing? Thank you, David From w1rg at hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:19:18 2015 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: Here in South Florida, atomic clocks will not sync it all. 73, Gil W1RG Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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From: Ken G Kopp
Date:02/15/2015 1:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT"
Cc: Elecraft Reflector , KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip
Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 and make the clock actually usable. 73 Ken - K0PP On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > In which radio? > > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An >> adjust method for what we have? >> >> >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From k4hc at triad.rr.com Sun Feb 15 20:42:15 2015 From: k4hc at triad.rr.com (Chris Thompson) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 - odd 'missing' signal Message-ID: <002401d04989$cacbb780$60632680$@triad.rr.com> It's an artifact of the architecture of the radio - the "Zero-hz crossover". You can move it by changing the menu item "RX SHFT" from "Nor" to "8.0". This is a per-band setting. Be aware that changing "RX SHFT" prevents using the Dual-Watch receiver, and takes the Roofing Filter out of play (if installed). Another method to move the artifact when working CW is to use CW Rev. This will shift the artifact to the other side of your VFO A cursor. 73, Chris K4HC Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: "dmb at lightstream.net" To: "David Orman" Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 - odd 'missing' signal Message-ID: <64786.71.74.118.201.1424046196.squirrel at mail.expedient.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I have noticed this null as well. In SSB mode, the null is right at the carrier frequency. In CW mode, the null is offset from the carrier frequency by the amount of the sidetone pitch. Engaging ALT switches the null to the other side of the carrier, again by the amount of the sidetone pitch. I don't recall seeing this on earlier versions of the firmware (though that doesn't mean it wasn't there) Firmware versions here are: PX3 Firmware version: 01.16 KX3: uC: 02.30 dsP: 01.32 73, Dale WA8SRA > I've noticed on various modes/combinations of spans, I show some what look > like null regions. Sometimes it's right where I'm tuned, sometimes it's > offset. In this picture, I am tuned to 14.055.050, in CW mode, span is 2, > and there is a deep null area centered somewhere around 14.056.05. > > In some modes, this is troublesome, especially when it's right on the > cursor where I am tuned. I must be doing something wrong, so would > appreciate any feedback you can give me regarding this / how to fix it. > > Here's an image showing what I am talking about: > http://ormandj.corenode.com/images/radio/elecraft/px3-null.jpg > > Thank you > David From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:46:41 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:46:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Do I have to get a cat? 73, Guy. On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I tried the cat method. He objected to the ground probe. When my arms heal, I'll try with a clip lead. > > 73, Mike NF4L > >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> >> With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >>> And those with no cat?:-) >>> >>> On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>>> But what about us old Head bangers? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Wayne Burdick >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >>>> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >>>>> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned >>>>> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >>>>> the KRX3 is in place. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>>>>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>>>>> removing the KRX3 >>>>>> 73, Ken K3IU >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>>>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>>>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>>>>> photos in >>>>>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>>>>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>>>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >>>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Feb 15 21:15:58 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 21:15:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Hi Joe, I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. Myself,? I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. So,? how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? Thanks From k7jltextra at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:47:51 2015 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:47:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Server Message-ID: I just tried to log on to the Elecraft FTP server with the latest PX3 & KX3 loaders and received a message that indicates that is not available. Am I doing something wrong or is it down? John K7JLT From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Feb 15 21:48:10 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:48:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] "Pig knob" thoughts In-Reply-To: <54E0F749.60406@nycap.rr.com> References: <54E0F749.60406@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E15A6A.20809@foothill.net> I got the Pigknob for a totally different reason than the buttons and macros ... my available space is inherently right-handed [built-in desk] and I am left-handed. My KPA500 is too heavy for the simple two-shelf rack I have so the K3 is directly above it and on the right. Old shoulder injuries complain when I sit and tune the K3 with elbow on desk and hand raised. Now, Pigknob is on the left of the laptop, next to the paddle, and my left arm rests on the desk while tuning the K3 and no pain. It took awhile but I finally figured out a combination of K3 and Pigknob tuning rates that works ... PK normally tunes at 10 Hz, pressing the knob gives me 50 Hz. The K3 choices [FINE/COARSE] tune faster for large QSY's. It has really improved my operating enjoyment and I love it. As for the buttons, one sets split up 5, and one undoes it. I have six blank ones yet to fill. I also haven't filled all the programmable buttons on my P3. Apparently my creativity index is fairly low. I heard rumors about an upcoming Pigpad with programmable buttons, and like all males of *any* age immediately thought, "Oh -- New Toy!" Realistically, I'm not sure what I'd do with it. My K-Line does what I want my radio to do, it does it cleanly and doesn't cause problems for nearby hams and, after a little learning, I know how to make it do that. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/15/2015 11:45 AM, W2BLC wrote: > I have a Pigknob and find it is most useful. There are 8 buttons and a > VFO type control. The great part - is no endless arguing on this > reflector about what should be on the box - the user programs each > button and the VFO control it to suit his personal needs. No beating > features into the ground. No over engineering of air castles. Windbag > experts can desist. Dang, I like simple things that just plain work. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 22:02:02 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dick via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:02:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the best roofing filter: 250hz vs. 400hz, for RTTY contest conditions. While I really like the K3 on RTTY, I believe improvement can be made to my K3 RTTY reception. Some contesters have told me that they use the 250hz roofing filter exclusively when operating RTTY contests. Since the actual bandwidth of the 250hz roffer filter is close to 370hz, and RTTY signals are typically about 370hz wide, then the 250hz roofer along with a 400 or 500hz DSP setting should be close to ideal when maximum selectivity is needed. However, on both of my K3's, when I switch from the 400hz roofer to the 250hz roofer, the RTTY signal is decoded a lot less often, about 25% less often. It doesn't seem like the 400hz roofer should decode 25% more often than the 250hz roofer. (but perhaps that's normal?) Perhaps there is a receiver setting change I can make to the K3 that will improve RTTY decoding when using the 250hz roofer? I've tried various shift settings when the 250hz roofer is engaged and sometimes it improves RTTY reception, but not consistantly. Perhaps there's a setting change I can make to MMTTY? By the way, I'm using both MMTTY and 2Tone software's for decoding RTTY, with basically the same results when the 250hz roofer is engaged. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. 73, Dick- K9OM From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:03:37 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:03:37 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split "up 5" in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling "up 5-10" etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.....Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: > Hi Joe, > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 22:05:31 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: <20150216005810.GJ25116@n0nb.us> References: <20150216005810.GJ25116@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1487024879.1186242.1424055931253.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I used to use Virtual Box to build VMs for task specific machines. I'm considering going back to Linux and doing that again. From: Nate Bargmann To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? This is just a thought, but it may be possible to use Qemu to create an i386 virtual machine and install a minimal desktop distro that you can use the Elecraft utilities with.? I did nearly the same thing here using VirtualBox on my amd64 (x86_64) desktop machine running Debian.? The VM is running Debian Stable with a lightweight desktop environment and it works just fine the few times I need it. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.? The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Feb 15 22:16:13 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:16:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] R&R the KRX3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Really. So then, removing and reinstalling the KRX3, if that proves necessary, should be done while listening to Berlioz? Symphonie Fantastique? Or, if it goes badly, to Schubert?s Unfinished Symphony? Either way, I?ve ordered my pair of KSYN3As. I?ll post the tale. Cheers, Ted, KN1CBR > > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question > >It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 >module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the >latest Tom Petty album blasting away. > >Wayne >N6KR > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:18:22 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:18:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and sub RX. Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do A>B before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise "sound stage" needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the band noise sound stage. Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread out around the "audio horizon" or "sound stage" in my "mind's ear". A discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the audio horizon in my mind's ear. When the music begins I hear the violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a specific spot on the right. Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use "sound stage" diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps diversity, for me throws away an S unit. If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you when you do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Hi Joe, > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 22:37:57 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:37:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <1424047690.10003.28.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> <1315471422.3775211.1424035420354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1424047690.10003.28.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E16615.3040700@aol.com> This would be quite an interesting Arduino project. You could use a couple of serial chips - one to receive from the computer, the other to transmit to the K3/KX3. Normally incoming traffic is just redirected from input to output. When a button is pushed, the macro is just passed to the output. Add a 2x16 LCD display and you could manage groups of macros that you could scroll through. Lots of possibilities for an interesting project. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From dmb at lightstream.net Sun Feb 15 23:00:33 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:00:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] FTP Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65343.71.74.118.201.1424059233.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> John, It's working here. 73, Dale WA8SRA > I just tried to log on to the Elecraft FTP server with the latest PX3 & > KX3 > loaders and received a message that indicates that is not available. > Am I doing something wrong or is it down? > > John K7JLT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmb at lightstream.net > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Feb 15 22:41:27 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:41:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Designator in Subject Message-ID: <54E166E7.8080903@foothill.net> Folks, This comes up periodically [technical term meaning every now and then on a sort of regular basis]. Long threads on the list start and, if you have been away from home and the list for a bit, the "long" part is in the list of messages to read. Generally standard practice on the list, since there are now so many Elecraft products has been to put the main product designator in the subject. That means, if you are posting about a KX3 thing, put "KX3" somewhere in the subject -- doesn't really matter where. Likewise if it's "PX3" ... and you probably get the idea here. Many of us filter the email list by Elecraft product, so a couple of keystrokes will help a lot. Subjects sometime change in a thread, this is a live list with real people, and that shouldn't surprise anyone. If you change the subject, and it is no longer relevant to the original Elecraft product, please remove that designation. I'm a math grad, engineer in life, and I almost failed Econ 101. I don't understand business and commerce but I am astounded at the business model Elecraft has built, and this list is part of it. We can all do our part to make it most usable for everyone. Just tell us what you're going to talk about before you talk about it. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Feb 15 23:09:40 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom Blahovici) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: <0NJU008I5JK6UEA0@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> OK, Thanks for the explanations. Very clear. Tom On Feb 15, 2015 10:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > I am not Joe, but I can answer your question. > > In diversity mode, the K3 operates just like a single receiver as far as > the controls are concerned (except for the audio effects attributed to > diversity).? In other words, if you are operating SPLIT, you would tune > to the DX station with VFO A and transmit on VFO B.? To listen to the > pileup (on your TX frequency VFO B) you would hold the REV button to > listen to the pileup as long as you hold the button, but if you wanted > to not hold the button and switch to hear the pileup, the A/B button can > be used to switch VFOs until you wanted to switch back (with the A/B > button). > > Since you have both the mainRX and the subRX, it makes more sense to use > the subRX in its normal mode where you set SPLIT on and listen to the DX > on the subRX while transmitting on the mainRX frequency (the subRX > frequency does not have transmit capability).? There are some ways to > reverse this, but I will not go into details, this is the 'fundamentals' > of split operation. > > For linked VFOs, imagine you want to work DX operating with a fixed 2 > kHz split while the DX station is changing his TX frequencies while > maintaining the 2 kHz split - that does not happen very often (maybe never). > You can set SPLIT on and separate the VFOs by 2 kHz then invoke LINK.? > The VFOs will always be 2 kHz apart. > > I don't think that situation occurs frequently.? The only remote > occasion I can foresee is for the QRP Foxhunts, but the Foxes rarely > will operate SPLIT. > > Normally, the DX station stays on the same frequency and you would want > to leave the RX VFO tuned to his frequency while you would want the TX > VFO to tune to either the last station worked or a clear frequency > within the pileup.? The current TX VFO is displayed in the K3 or KX3 > display by an arrow.? Pay attention to that arrow lest the "up cops" > become irritated with your transmissions. > > IMHO, the changes made in 5.10 simplify the use of the SUB button. No > more short hold of the button to link the VFOs and no long hold to > enable diversity. > How many times have we seen posts to this reflector saying that the VFOs > track each other.? This is a result of the difference between a long > hold and an extra long hold of the SUB button. > Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea IMHO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/15/2015 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > > Myself,? I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > > So,? how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > > Thanks > > > From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 15 23:18:31 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E161AC.4020500@embarqmail.com> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> <54E161AC.4020500@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E16F97.10301@subich.com> On 2015-02-15 10:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea > IMHO. My point all along ... it's a real PITA to go through LINK every time I want to select diversity. However, I would make one concession ... since diversity requires the KRX3, if the KRX3 is not installed then allow a one second hold of the SUB button to select LINK. Otherwise, LINK is simply an annoyance. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Feb 15 23:24:27 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54E170FB.26013.A4EE86@Gary.ka1j.com> I use Diversity and I use Lock. With the Rx antenna and the Tx on the two different receivers and both of them locked, I find I copy stations sometimes better this way than with diversity. There's a slight attenuation with diversity and not so with the main & sub linked. It depends on the individual signal for me to know when to use the main Rx alone, Link, or Diversity. Each one of them has their own benefits. 73, Gary KA1J > Hi Joe, > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > Myself,? I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > So,? how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:19:08 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <54E161AC.4020500@embarqmail.com> I am not Joe, but I can answer your question. In diversity mode, the K3 operates just like a single receiver as far as the controls are concerned (except for the audio effects attributed to diversity). In other words, if you are operating SPLIT, you would tune to the DX station with VFO A and transmit on VFO B. To listen to the pileup (on your TX frequency VFO B) you would hold the REV button to listen to the pileup as long as you hold the button, but if you wanted to not hold the button and switch to hear the pileup, the A/B button can be used to switch VFOs until you wanted to switch back (with the A/B button). Since you have both the mainRX and the subRX, it makes more sense to use the subRX in its normal mode where you set SPLIT on and listen to the DX on the subRX while transmitting on the mainRX frequency (the subRX frequency does not have transmit capability). There are some ways to reverse this, but I will not go into details, this is the 'fundamentals' of split operation. For linked VFOs, imagine you want to work DX operating with a fixed 2 kHz split while the DX station is changing his TX frequencies while maintaining the 2 kHz split - that does not happen very often (maybe never). You can set SPLIT on and separate the VFOs by 2 kHz then invoke LINK. The VFOs will always be 2 kHz apart. I don't think that situation occurs frequently. The only remote occasion I can foresee is for the QRP Foxhunts, but the Foxes rarely will operate SPLIT. Normally, the DX station stays on the same frequency and you would want to leave the RX VFO tuned to his frequency while you would want the TX VFO to tune to either the last station worked or a clear frequency within the pileup. The current TX VFO is displayed in the K3 or KX3 display by an arrow. Pay attention to that arrow lest the "up cops" become irritated with your transmissions. IMHO, the changes made in 5.10 simplify the use of the SUB button. No more short hold of the button to link the VFOs and no long hold to enable diversity. How many times have we seen posts to this reflector saying that the VFOs track each other. This is a result of the difference between a long hold and an extra long hold of the SUB button. Relegating the linked VFOs to a programmable function is a good idea IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2015 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Hi Joe, > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > Thanks > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 15 23:49:24 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Fleming via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: <20150216005810.GJ25116@n0nb.us> References: <20150216005810.GJ25116@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1040080738.3997589.1424062164468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> It should be possible. I'm not sure how well a Qemu x86 VM would perform on a mini AIM rig like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone. Qemu can only run on one core. That is, it can emulate multiple CPUs, but it does this in a single thread, IIRC. And I suspect getting it up and running would be a challenge. ?A better option might be Exagear Desktop. It is like Qemu but much faster. Like 4x faster. But it is not free ($30). Exagear Desktop on a Raspi 2 Model B should run?32-bit Linux x86 applications?nicely (like the Elecraft Utilities). I figure Exagear is worth the money just for the performance advantage. It could be an awesome little system for around $75 (if you already have a HDMI monitor and a keyboard). I've been seriously considering ordering one just to play with. David, W4SMT From: Nate Bargmann To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? This is just a thought, but it may be possible to use Qemu to create an i386 virtual machine and install a minimal desktop distro that you can use the Elecraft utilities with.? I did nearly the same thing here using VirtualBox on my amd64 (x86_64) desktop machine running Debian.? The VM is running Debian Stable with a lightweight desktop environment and it works just fine the few times I need it. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.? The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dflem at yahoo.com From jim at rhodesend.net Mon Feb 16 00:09:34 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:09:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have always been happy with my 400's. There seems to be very little bandbass not filled by the signal. Although many folks seem to like the 250's I don't have any so I use the 400's on what CW I do too. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 00:19:31 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Fleming via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: <1040080738.3997589.1424062164468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1040080738.3997589.1424062164468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <570996632.3987555.1424063971558.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Let me try that again with fewer typos. Sometimes my typing outruns my brain. It should be possible. I'm not sure how well a Qemu x86 VM would perform on a mini ARM rig like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone. Qemu can only run on one core. That is, it can emulate multiple CPUs, but it does this in a single thread, IIRC. And I suspect getting it up and running would be a challenge. A better option might be Exagear Desktop. It is like Qemu but much faster. Like 4x faster. But it is not free ($30). Exagear Desktop on a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B should run 32-bit Linux x86 applications nicely (like the Elecraft Utilities). I figure Exagear is worth the money just for the performance advantage. It could be an awesome little system for around $75 (if you already have a HDMI monitor and a keyboard). I've been seriously considering ordering one just to play with. David, W4SMT ----------------- This is just a thought, but it may be possible to use Qemu to create an i386 virtual machine and install a minimal desktop distro that you can use the Elecraft utilities with. I did nearly the same thing here using VirtualBox on my amd64 (x86_64) desktop machine running Debian. The VM is running Debian Stable with a lightweight desktop environment and it works just fine the few times I need it. 73, Nate, N0NB From jmeloranta at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 01:08:45 2015 From: jmeloranta at gmail.com (Jussi Eloranta) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:08:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: <570996632.3987555.1424063971558.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1040080738.3997589.1424062164468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <570996632.3987555.1424063971558.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E1896D.7000602@gmail.com> On 02/15/2015 09:19 PM, David Fleming via Elecraft wrote: > Let me try that again with fewer typos. Sometimes my typing outruns my brain. > It should be possible. I'm not sure how well a Qemu x86 VM would perform on a mini ARM rig like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone. Qemu can only run on one core. That is, it can emulate multiple CPUs, but it does this in a single thread, IIRC. And I suspect getting it up and running would be a challenge. A better option might be Exagear Desktop. It is like Qemu but much faster. Like 4x faster. But it is not free ($30). Exagear Desktop on a Raspberry Pi 2 Model B should run 32-bit Linux x86 applications nicely (like the Elecraft Utilities). I figure Exagear is worth the money just for the performance advantage. It could be an awesome little system for around $75 (if you already have a HDMI monitor and a keyboard). I've been seriously considering ordering one just to play with. > > I just tried to boot 32bit intel fedora 21 live image under ARM qemu (on banana pi). This is REALLY slow and even speeding up by a factor of 4 is not going to help much. I did not have enough patience to get the whole thing to boot up to the desktop, so I concluded that this will not work in practice. It shouldn't be that difficult to cross-compile the K3 utility for ARM (unless they are using some strange development tools that don't support this). Since everything else works now, I will go the ARM way with my station. If I need to update the K3 firmware, I will visit someone with a PC. Hopefully Linux/ARM will be supported in the future. Jussi (AA6KJ) From dave at nk7z.net Mon Feb 16 01:35:46 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:35:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424068546.32242.8.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to narrow. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-02-15 at 22:02 -0500, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'd appreciate your thoughts on the best roofing filter: 250hz vs. 400hz, > for RTTY contest conditions. > > While I really like the K3 on RTTY, I believe improvement can be made to > my K3 RTTY reception. Some contesters have told me that they use the 250hz > roofing filter exclusively when operating RTTY contests. Since the actual > bandwidth of the 250hz roffer filter is close to 370hz, and RTTY signals > are typically about 370hz wide, then the 250hz roofer along with a 400 or > 500hz DSP setting should be close to ideal when maximum selectivity is > needed. However, on both of my K3's, when I switch from the 400hz roofer to the > 250hz roofer, the RTTY signal is decoded a lot less often, about 25% less > often. It doesn't seem like the 400hz roofer should decode 25% more often > than the 250hz roofer. (but perhaps that's normal?) > > > Perhaps there is a receiver setting change I can make to the K3 that will > improve RTTY decoding when using the 250hz roofer? I've tried various > shift settings when the 250hz roofer is engaged and sometimes it improves RTTY > reception, but not consistantly. Perhaps there's a setting change I can > make to MMTTY? > By the way, I'm using both MMTTY and 2Tone software's for decoding RTTY, > with basically the same results when the 250hz roofer is engaged. > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > 73, > Dick- K9OM > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From hickspj467 at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 02:31:37 2015 From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <2012696999.7151305.1424071148895.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <560873878.7153110.1424071897687.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3. I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with?35 keys. ? Might be the answer to your needs. ? PJH, N7PXY From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 02:40:33 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:40:33 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> Message-ID: <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> I never, ever use LINK. I use diversity often. I like the beta because it enables me to use the SUB button to toggle diversity, thus freeing up one of the programmable function keys for something else. I found the long hold unusable. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Leave LINK as it is please. > > I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. From stewart at twinwood.me Mon Feb 16 03:21:29 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:21:29 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201521682129.395148@Shack> Cat ! Gave ours to this guy called Schr?dinger. Don't know whether it is alive or dead... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:46:41 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Do I have to get a cat? > > 73, Guy. > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> I tried the cat method. He objected to the ground probe. When my arms heal, I'll try with a clip lead. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> >>> With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> >>>> And those with no cat?:-) >>>> >>>> On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> But what about us old Head bangers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Wayne Burdick >>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >>>>> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> N6KR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >>>>>> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case. In addition, Wayne mentioned >>>>>> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >>>>>> the KRX3 is in place. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>>>>>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>>>>>> removing the KRX3 >>>>>>> 73, Ken K3IU >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>>>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>>>>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> synths. I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>>>>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>>>>>> photos in >>>>>>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>>>>>> we confirm whether R&R is required? Message below says it is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>>>>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>>>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>>>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board. . . . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>>> Help: 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Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 03:22:17 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:22:17 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't understand. The K3 directly supports dual diversity reception. The beta makes it possible to enter diversity mode with a normal hold of the SUB button instead of the previously required long hold. The LINK function makes the two VFOs tune together, and they can be on the same frequency. But it isn't needed for diversity and would be clumsy to use for that purpose for several reasons (extra button pushes to equalize frequencies, bandwidth, etc.; possible need to change audio mixing setting). LINK is not the same as diversity, and I have never figured out what it is good for. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 16, 2015, at 2:51 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > > Hello Arie, > I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. > During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. > Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?02?16? (??) 1:10 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > > Tony > > LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you > turn the dial knob. > So both receivers keep working on the same freq. > > What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two > antennas on the samen freq. > Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the > Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. > In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that > switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but > that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening > from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main > RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both > ears) depending on where the signal is best. > The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's > really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like > this. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > > > > > > N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: >> Hi Arie, >> I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on >> the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony > ..... >> - F9 = listen A-B >> - F10 = listen A-A >> - F11 = listen B-B >> - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK >> the VFO's. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 03:30:40 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:30:40 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: References: <86869A2E-BFB3-433D-9C67-E858D3112C11@elecraft.com> <1595927736.3790778.1424037050575.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E11EFA.5030504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: It's what I use, but probably a dog would work as well. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 16, 2015, at 3:46 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Do I have to get a cat? > > 73, Guy. > >> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> I tried the cat method. He objected to the ground probe. When my arms heal, I'll try with a clip lead. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> >>> With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >>> >>>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>>> >>>> And those with no cat?:-) >>>> >>>>> On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> But what about us old Head bangers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Wayne Burdick >>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >>>>> It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> N6KR From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Feb 16 03:30:30 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:30:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <201521682129.395148@Shack> References: <201521682129.395148@Shack> Message-ID: <54E1AAA6.8080106@voodoolab.com> Both. 73, Josh W6XU On 2/16/2015 12:21 AM, Stewart wrote: > Cat ! > > Gave ours to this guy called Schr?dinger. > > Don't know whether it is alive or dead... > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ > From droese at necg.de Mon Feb 16 03:39:18 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:39:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range numbers) In-Reply-To: <54DE9A6C.4020904@embarqmail.com> References: <1719420855.2250664.1423873185851.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54DE9A6C.4020904@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E1ACB6.50503@necg.de> Problem is that (at least in SSB) I feel the K3 receiver (with the "old" synth board) is never the limiting factor, it's always all those dirty other signals (splatter, key-clicks, a.s.o. ... the new synth board will *not* help anything if they splatter into your passband). I will not upgrade for exactly that reason! In every contest I feel I already have too good an RX and TX while other people gain advantages from their dirty rigs ... :-( 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 14.02.2015 um 01:44 schrieb Don Wilhelm: > Johnny, > > Hopefully I can simplify it a bit given your example. > That S9+60dB signal will have a weaker response in your receiver *if* > your receiver was the limiting factor. If the transmitter phase noise > (splatter and other 'bad stuff' was the original problem, then you may > or may not have any improvement for that example. > > In other words, you will notice an improvement if other signals on the > band are relatively clean. The improvement when other signals on the > band are not clean will not be as obvious. > > Actually if an S9+60dB signal 10 kHz away is going to give you > problems, then that signal is coming from a 'dirty transmitter'. I > think a better example would be -- If you can operate within 2 kHz of > a strong signal with the current KSYN3, then the KSYN3A may be able to > allow you to operate within 1.5 to 1.8 kHz of that same signal. In > other words, you will be able to "saddle up closer" to any signal > unless the transmitter is creating trash. > > Note: All numbers are for relative comparison only. I pulled those > numbers out of my head for illustration purposes only and do not > represent any test data. I have not seen nor used the KSYN3A. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/13/2015 7:19 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> I must admit that understanding those figures are beyond my >> knowledge. In practical terms, if I can now hear a below S1 cw weak >> signal 10KHz away from a S9+60db station before upgrade, what will be >> the improvement after the installation of KSYN3A assuming operating >> under the same condition? >> Such a demonstation was given to me when I visited Icom HQ in Osaka >> last year in the announcement of the IC7850/IC7851. Again, IC7850 is >> known foir extremely low phase noise. >> Can any elecrafters interpret the improvements in an understandable >> layman terms? >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMCK-Line + KX3 + HR50 >> ???? Wayne Burdick >> ???? Elecraft Reflector >> ??(CC)? "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" >> ????? 2015?02?14? (??) 7:34 AM >> ??? [Elecraft] Update to KSYN3A FAQ (some measured dynamic range >> numbers) >> Hi all, >> >> I've updated the KSYN3A FAQ with the following information regarding >> testing of a K3 with the new synthesizer performed by Rob Sherwood, >> NC0B. >> >> * * * >> >> Q: What is the approximate 2-kHz dynamic range (IMDDR3) of the K3 >> when using the new synthesizer? >> >> A: Our tests show in excess of 105 dB with the narrowest filters, >> though there are many factors, and this should be considered >> approximate. (A very robust test setup is required to make these >> measurements.) Rob Sherwood tested a K3 with a KSYN3A and obtained >> the following results: >> >> 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 200-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 106 dB >> 2-kHz IMDDR3 with 400-Hz roofing and DSP filter = 103 dB >> >> Rob will be posting this information in his receiver performance >> chart (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html) after he completes his >> full suite of tests. >> >> * * * >> >> The above numbers were used with Rob's permission. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 03:31:39 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <201521682129.395148@Shack> References: <201521682129.395148@Shack> Message-ID: <4F3B9BAA-CCFE-4B32-9ACE-6582042EC24D@gmail.com> It's neither. Or both. ;) 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Stewart wrote: > > Cat ! > > Gave ours to this guy called Schr?dinger. > > Don't know whether it is alive or dead... > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ From q.g.collier at btinternet.com Mon Feb 16 03:43:26 2015 From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:43:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <201521682129.395148@Shack> References: <201521682129.395148@Shack> Message-ID: <1424076206.64735.YahooMailNeo@web186001.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> I apologise for this being off topic, but this (which my son told me - I blame the parents...) had me doubled up. Schr?dinger has had a bad day at the lab, and is driving home somewhat erratically. So a policeman pulls him over and breathalyses him. The policeman says "well you're sober, but do you mind if I take a look around the car?" "Sure" says Erwin. A couple of minutes later the officer comes back and says " well, the car's OK, but did you know there is a dead cat in the boot?" (Perhaps I should say trunk, as this is predominantly a US website...) "Well, yes, there is NOW" says Schr?dinger. One day I will make a useful contribution to this list.... 73, Quin G3WRR ________________________________ From: Stewart To: Guy Olinger K2AV ; Mike Reublin NF4L Cc: Elecraft List Sent: Monday, 16 February 2015, 8:21 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question Cat ! Gave ours to this guy called Schr?dinger. Don't know whether it is alive or dead... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 20:46:41 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Do I have to get a cat? > > 73, Guy. > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> I tried the cat method. He objected to the ground probe. When my arms heal, I'll try with a clip lead. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> >>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> >>> With no cat, I would recommend Sleater-Kinney. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >>> >>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> >>>> And those with no cat?:-) >>>> >>>> On 2/15/15 1:50 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: >>>>> But what about us old Head bangers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>? ? From: Wayne Burdick >>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 4:29 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question >>>>>? It is quite easy to swap the synthesizer boards without removing the KRX3 module. I did it blindfolded with a long-haired cat on my lap and the latest Tom Petty album blasting away. >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> N6KR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I doubt it ... there is not all that much room between the front >>>>>> bulkhead and the edge of the KRX3 case.? In addition, Wayne mentioned >>>>>> the need to reroute some of the cables with may not be possible if >>>>>> the KRX3 is in place. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-02-14 10:33 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: >>>>>>> I believe that you should ne able to install both boards without >>>>>>> removing the KRX3 >>>>>>> 73, Ken K3IU >>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>>> On 2/14/2015 10:03 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>>>>> First question that came to my mind when I saw the announcement was >>>>>>>> whether the KRX3 had to be removed and reinstalled in order to replace >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> synths.? I found installing the KRX3 exasperating when I assembled the K3 >>>>>>>> - success came on about the 12th try. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My K3 is 100 miles from where I am right now, so I looked at the >>>>>>>> photos in >>>>>>>> the K3 assembly manual and those in the new synth instructions, from >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> it appears that the swap could be done without removing the KRX3. Could >>>>>>>> we confirm whether R&R is required?? Message below says it is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the sub does have to be R&R?d, anyone have suggestions about how to >>>>>>>> reinstall it without the major fuss I experienced? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ted, KN1CBR >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:21:20 -0800 >>>>>>>>> From: Richard Thorpe >>>>>>>>> To: Elecraft List >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] More KSYN3A >>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <92F46418-CAAB-45A6-BFCD-F87860378242 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I talked to Elecraft and you must remove the second receiver not just >>>>>>>>> unplug it and remove its ?old? synth board.? . . . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> R Thorpe K6CG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>>> Help: 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btinternet.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:16:16 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:16:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A - installation question In-Reply-To: <1424076206.64735.YahooMailNeo@web186001.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> References: <201521682129.395148@Shack> <1424076206.64735.YahooMailNeo@web186001.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:43 AM, QUENTIN COLLIER wrote: > I apologise for this being off topic.... Note to Eric: This isn't any of our faults. Wayne started it. Go pick on him. 73, Guy From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Mon Feb 16 04:22:16 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:22:16 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> Message-ID: <002101d049ca$132fde30$398f9a90$@co.uk> That's an ingenious workaround, Gary, but you wouldn't need to do that if the K3 had a programmable 'Smart Split' function like any other transceiver on the market. Many people are using custom macros for Split, but at present that macro has to be assigned to some other button - and guest operators have to be warned *not* to use the SPLIT button itself. If there were an option to run a custom Split macro directly from the SPLIT button, the K3 could have the most advanced Split function in the entire transceiver market. Instead, it has willfully the dumbest, which requires messy workarounds and invites errors. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Gary Gregory >Sent: 16 February 2015 03:04 >To: Tom >Cc: Elecraft List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > >I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am >constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. >It means for me a quick tap and i am split "up 5" in ssb. I then fine tune >when they are calling "up 5-10" etc. >Taking it away is simply not fair. >I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. >I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do >and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.....Captains Call > >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. >> Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. >> So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? >> Thanks >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:36:04 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:36:04 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> I'd say you have RX SHFT set to "nor" instead of "8.0". If you set your sidetone to 550Hz, and 8kHz shift is not enabled, then you'll pick up the image 2 * 550 Hz = 1.1 kHz away, which is what you are reporting. Remember that RX SHFT is a "per-band" setting, so you need to enable it separately for each band. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:17 pm, David Orman wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and > I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a > signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) > Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting my > KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: > > 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a. > Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 > m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source. > Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from > within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and see an > Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp > setting or the RF source level. > > This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If I > turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) > > What am I doing wrong/missing? > > Thank you, > David > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 04:49:25 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:49:25 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <002101d049ca$132fde30$398f9a90$@co.uk> References: <0NJU00BN0EAOJPA0@VL-VM-MR007.ip.videotron.ca> <002101d049ca$132fde30$398f9a90$@co.uk> Message-ID: Ian, I agree absolutely, hence my use of LINK the way i do. I have no idea where Elecraft will take this but i can say if i have to resort to creating a Macro, assigning it to another key (i already use PF1 and PF2) then i will be annoyed that i have to change the way i have operated for 7 years just to satisfy others. Ekecraft want to enrich the features is terrific....try not to alienate satisfied customers is also desirable i would have thought. Oh well, it is what it is so for now i will watch and wait before making a decision on what i will do if the advocates have there way. I just hope elecraft consider the whole user base prior to making this change. I know i am not the only one using LINK the way i do. 73 Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 7:22 PM, "Ian White" wrote: > > That's an ingenious workaround, Gary, but you wouldn't need to do that > if the K3 had a programmable 'Smart Split' function like any other > transceiver on the market. > > Many people are using custom macros for Split, but at present that macro > has to be assigned to some other button - and guest operators have to be > warned *not* to use the SPLIT button itself. > > If there were an option to run a custom Split macro directly from the > SPLIT button, the K3 could have the most advanced Split function in the > entire transceiver market. Instead, it has willfully the dumbest, which > requires messy workarounds and invites errors. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > >Gary Gregory > >Sent: 16 February 2015 03:04 > >To: Tom > >Cc: Elecraft List > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > > > >I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i > am > >constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. > >It means for me a quick tap and i am split "up 5" in ssb. I then fine > tune > >when they are calling "up 5-10" etc. > >Taking it away is simply not fair. > >I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. > >I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i > do > >and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.....Captains Call > > > >Gary > >Vk1ZZ > >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > >On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: > > > >> Hi Joe, > >> I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > >> Myself, I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > >> So, how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > >> Thanks > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From w4ax.mack at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 05:37:44 2015 From: w4ax.mack at gmail.com (mackmc) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 03:37:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini When will you fix the firmware? Message-ID: <1424083064826-7598579.post@n2.nabble.com> I own the K3/0 Mini and as you know the firmware has a timeout issue where after about 90 seconds of transmission the rig recycles. This causes a loss of connectivity back to the K3. Since this is a known critical defect to Elecraft, when will you fix it? Mack W4AX ----- 73, Mack W4AX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-When-will-you-fix-the-firmware-tp7598579.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dalej2 at mac.com Mon Feb 16 06:40:57 2015 From: dalej2 at mac.com (DaleJ) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 05:40:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: Hello, digest mode here so posting is a little clumsy, but here goes. I suggest that a config menu option be made where a selection of link or diversity be made and assigned to the one second sub button hold. For those who like link, they could assign that one second button hold as link. For those like me, want it as diversity could similarly go into the config menu and assign the sub button one second hold as diversity. Frankly to me linking is not really for any use that I have. When in diversity both VFO's are already linked and using link where the two VFO's are separated I can see no use for. Anyway, my .02 worth 73 Dale, K9VUJ P.S. The clock thing is really running out of gas. Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:03:37 +1000 From: Gary Gregory To: Tom Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have LINK in use with a 5kc difference between vfo A and vfo B and i am constantly tuning around looking for dxpeditions who usually run split. It means for me a quick tap and i am split "up 5" in ssb. I then fine tune when they are calling "up 5-10" etc. Taking it away is simply not fair. I do not have the 2nd rcvr and i am not interested in diversity. I dont give a hoot if i am the only one using LINK, the fact remains i do and i feel i have a right to keep on using it.....Captains Call Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 16/02/2015 12:16 PM, "Tom Blahovici" wrote: From kq2rp.cw at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 07:37:58 2015 From: kq2rp.cw at gmail.com (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: For myself, in relation to the KX3, I would appreciate an accurate clock so that I could just grab and go knowing the time is correct without having to check and reset. Especially important in portable operation, SOTA, etc., where one is often logging on paper. It's nice to keep the clock onscreen while you make contacts. Sure, I could have my phone out and propped up and use that clock, but the clock was included the KX3 for a reason, right? It should be accurate to be useful. 73, Chris KQ2RP From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 07:44:21 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:44:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1424090661.5287.138.camel@gmail.com> Johnny, I had the 7800 for a while, the reason it can't do diversity is that since the main and sub use different IF frequencies there is always a small (Sub 1Hz frequency different between the 2 receivers due to DDS rounding error differences between the main ad sub synths Neither link or diversity are 'going away' see the release notes * EASIER DIVERSITY RECEIVE SELECTION: A regular hold of SUB now goes directly into diversity receive, without first having to go through "LINK". This should benefit most users of the KRX3 sub receiver, since few use the VFO linking function. Those who do use VFO linking can still turn it on by setting CONFIG:VFO LNK to ON. This menu entry can be assigned to a programmable function switch for easy selection if desired, eliminating the need to bring up the menu. Note: Remote-control command "LN" is another way to accomplish VFO linking. On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 00:51 +0000, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Arie, > I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. > During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. > Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?02?16? (??) 1:10 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > > Tony > > LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you > turn the dial knob. > So both receivers keep working on the same freq. > > What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two > antennas on the samen freq. > Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the > Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. > In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that > switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but > that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening > from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main > RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both > ears) depending on where the signal is best. > The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's > really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like > this. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > > > > > > N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: > > Hi Arie, > > I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on > > the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? > > Tnx > > N2TK, Tony > ..... > > - F9 = listen A-B > > - F10 = listen A-A > > - F11 = listen B-B > > - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK > > the VFO's. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From ormandj at corenode.com Mon Feb 16 08:11:11 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:11:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling In-Reply-To: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> References: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: RX Shift is definitely set to 8.0, on every band. I had to do that for the previous step, which went successfully. Thank you, David On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > I'd say you have RX SHFT set to "nor" instead of "8.0". If you set your > sidetone to 550Hz, and 8kHz shift is not enabled, then you'll pick up the > image 2 * 550 Hz = 1.1 kHz away, which is what you are reporting. > > Remember that RX SHFT is a "per-band" setting, so you need to enable it > separately for each band. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:17 pm, David Orman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and > > I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a > > signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 > kHz) > > Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting my > > KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: > > > > 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a. > > Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 > > m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal > source. > > Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from > > within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and see > an > > Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp > > setting or the RF source level. > > > > This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If I > > turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) > > > > What am I doing wrong/missing? > > > > Thank you, > > David > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 16 08:18:42 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E1EE32.9060707@xs4all.nl> Vic, When the K3 is in diversity, it is in diversity, meaning that Main RX is on left ear and Sub Rx on right ear. This cannot be changed. Often, it is convenient to switch to only one antenna and one audio instead of two. So if a signal is really good on the Sub RX, I switch to B-B, meaning both ears hear the Sub RX audio. After finishing the QSO I switch back to A-B, the normal diversity audio and go on in diversity. This trick cannot be done if the K3 is in diversity. So I have the K3 in LINK-mode so that both VFO's stay toghether on the same frequencies. If the audio switching would be available when the K3 is in diversity mode, I would not need LINK. Now it is my way of working around this. 73 Arie PA3A Vic Rosenthal schreef op 16-2-2015 om 9:22: > I don't understand. The K3 directly supports dual diversity reception. The beta makes it possible to enter diversity mode with a normal hold of the SUB button instead of the previously required long hold. > > The LINK function makes the two VFOs tune together, and they can be on the same frequency. But it isn't needed for diversity and would be clumsy to use for that purpose for several reasons (extra button pushes to equalize frequencies, bandwidth, etc.; possible need to change audio mixing setting). > > LINK is not the same as diversity, and I have never figured out what it is good for. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > From bwruble at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 08:24:33 2015 From: bwruble at gmail.com (bwruble at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:24:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini When will you fix the firmware? In-Reply-To: <1424083064826-7598579.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424083064826-7598579.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <70B4C916-B423-48D2-A348-08355AF812D3@gmail.com> Mack, you can solve this by downgrading the firmware of the mini to the next earlier version. You do this, as I recall, by connecting a USB cable to the mini and running the K3 utility program. I did it a long time ago, and I don't recall all the steps. Brandon at Elecraft talked me through it. 73 de Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From my iPad > On Feb 16, 2015, at 5:37 AM, mackmc wrote: > > I own the K3/0 Mini and as you know the firmware has a timeout issue where > after about 90 seconds of transmission the rig recycles. This causes a loss > of connectivity back to the K3. > > Since this is a known critical defect to Elecraft, when will you fix it? > > Mack > W4AX > > > > ----- > 73, > > Mack > W4AX > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-When-will-you-fix-the-firmware-tp7598579.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com From w4ax.mack at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 08:27:50 2015 From: w4ax.mack at gmail.com (Mack McCormick) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:27:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini When will you fix the firmware? In-Reply-To: <70B4C916-B423-48D2-A348-08355AF812D3@gmail.com> References: <1424083064826-7598579.post@n2.nabble.com> <70B4C916-B423-48D2-A348-08355AF812D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Brian, Thank you! I suppose that is a compromise solution. Vy 73, Mack W4AX Mack On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM, bwruble at gmail.com wrote: > Mack, you can solve this by downgrading the firmware of the mini to the > next earlier version. You do this, as I recall, by connecting a USB cable > to the mini and running the K3 utility program. I did it a long time ago, > and I don't recall all the steps. Brandon at Elecraft talked me through it. > > 73 de Brian W3BW > > > Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > From my iPad > > > > On Feb 16, 2015, at 5:37 AM, mackmc wrote: > > > > I own the K3/0 Mini and as you know the firmware has a timeout issue > where > > after about 90 seconds of transmission the rig recycles. This causes a > loss > > of connectivity back to the K3. > > > > Since this is a known critical defect to Elecraft, when will you fix it? > > > > Mack > > W4AX > > > > > > > > ----- > > 73, > > > > Mack > > W4AX > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Mini-When-will-you-fix-the-firmware-tp7598579.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Mon Feb 16 08:28:28 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <560873878.7153110.1424071897687.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <560873878.7153110.1424071897687.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E1F07C.5000207@nc.rr.com> See the interesting note below from the Genovation web page. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/16/2015 7:31 AM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3. > I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys. > > Might be the answer to your needs. > > - Release Date: 02/15/15 > The MacroMaster684 configuration softwar > e is designed to work with computers > running Microsoft Windows 2000/XP/Vista > operating systems (32-bit). The 684 > keypad itself will work with any > OS. From wsuite at dfwairport.com Mon Feb 16 08:34:37 2015 From: wsuite at dfwairport.com (Suite, Wayne) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ Message-ID: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while using another computer to run HRD etc? KD5SPX Wayne ******* Notice ******** The information contained in this e-mail, including attachments, may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking any action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and then delete the material from your computer. From lists at subich.com Mon Feb 16 08:38:13 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:38:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <560873878.7153110.1424071897687.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <560873878.7153110.1424071897687.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E1F2C5.2080702@subich.com> > I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 > keys. Model 684 appears to have been replaced by model CP24 DB9 Serial. The specification set is otherwise the same. The CP24 is also available in a USB version (CP24 USB Virtual Serial). > There is a model with 35 keys. Model 683 is the 35 key version. It is shown as discontinued although NOS units may remain in stock with some distributors. Model 683 has been replaced by CP48 with 48 keys available in serial or USB versions. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-16 2:31 AM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3. > I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys. > > Might be the answer to your needs. > > PJH, N7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 08:42:49 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> While reading this email thread, I just realized that many people don't know how to operate their K3s! Eliminating the LINK function should not cripple the diversity function, let alone eliminate it. I'm yet to read an example that would convince me about the usefulness of the function. In my opinion, the LINK function is a feature that I still don't understand why someone at Aptos bothered to program in the K3. As Don pointed out, the only use of this feature would be if a DX station was moving its TX frequency while working SPLIT. In more than 20 years as a ham chasing DX, I have never ever seen a DX station do that (it's kind of silly to do that because it would put in disadvantage the majority the DX'ers using other transceivers).? Sorry for my bluntness.... 73,Robert-KP4Y On Monday, February 16, 2015 5:22 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and sub RX. Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do A>B before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise "sound stage" needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the band noise sound stage. Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread out around the "audio horizon" or "sound stage" in my "mind's ear". A discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the audio horizon in my mind's ear.? When the music begins I hear the violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a specific spot on the right. Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use "sound stage" diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps diversity, for me throws away an S unit. If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you when you do. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > Hi Joe, > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > Myself,? I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > So,? how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Mon Feb 16 08:49:44 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:49:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box In-Reply-To: <54E16615.3040700@aol.com> References: <54E0E921.9000209@nc.rr.com> <1315471422.3775211.1424035420354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1424047690.10003.28.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E16615.3040700@aol.com> Message-ID: I have to say, it's sounds interesting and were it not for me being a lazy, appliance op with no time to do much of anything (including playing radio), I'd give it a go. What I'd like would be for someone to spec if out, write the code etc and make that available. -- 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) Anyone can do any amount of work, provided it isn't the work he is supposed to be doing at that moment. -Robert Benchley > On 16 Feb 2015, at 03:37, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > This would be quite an interesting Arduino project. You could use a couple of serial chips - one to receive from the computer, the other to transmit to the K3/KX3. Normally incoming traffic is just redirected from input to output. When a button is pushed, the macro is just passed to the output. Add a 2x16 LCD display and you could manage groups of macros that you could scroll through. Lots of possibilities for an interesting project. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 08:54:06 2015 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:54:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Message-ID: Yes you can. I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 and iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne wrote: > Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while using > another computer to run HRD etc? > > KD5SPX > Wayne > > > From djcarohmer at ntin.net Mon Feb 16 09:21:44 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:21:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <005b01d04948$35100660$9f301320$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <54E1FCF8.9040608@ntin.net> I use the clock on the K3. Mostly to keep time as I no longer have a wristwatch and prefer not to have to pick up the iPhone to get the time. Those that don't need the clock can simply tap DISP and it will go away. I also use***MAIN: Alarm, Yes* on occasion to remind me of a net. *MAIN: Alarm* will also turn your rig ON at a preset time. New feature request: *MAIN: Alarm, Tap 4* to toggle a slightly audible dit every ten minutes as a reminder to ID. The clock on my K3 has been consistently slow since new, about 5 seconds per 24 hours. My preference is that it be a little more accurate, perhaps something closer to a quartz watch. Nothing too elaborate, not perfect, but more accurate than what we have now. Atomic clock accuracy or an external reference would be overkill on the K3. 73, Dwayne WV5I On 2/15/2015 11:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An > adjust method for what we have? > > > > Thanks, Jim KG0KP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to djcarohmer at ntin.net > From wes at triconet.org Mon Feb 16 09:33:36 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:33:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: <1424068546.32242.8.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424068546.32242.8.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E1FFC0.8060401@triconet.org> Me too. On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to > narrow. From challinan at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 09:34:35 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Message-ID: I'm quite interested in experimenting in this area. I've been playing around with SDR via gnuradio with a cheap TV tuner dongle. Can someone please explain the characteristics of the signal coming from the IF Out port on the K3? Is it basically in the audio domain? Is it this connector that would plug into the P3? I'd like to experiment with viewing the signal spectrum using something similar to gnuradio. Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? Thanks, Chris On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Brian Waterworth wrote: > Yes you can. > > I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a > piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 and > iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized > computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the > iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't > helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) > > Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use > another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). > > On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as > this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use > (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I > can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated > events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. > > regards, > Brian > VE3IBW > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne wrote: > >> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while using >> another computer to run HRD etc? >> >> KD5SPX >> Wayne >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon Feb 16 09:37:44 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:37:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box - GENOVATION Message-ID: <001501d049f6$20e586c0$62b09440$@gamewood.net> Genovation products are great solution looking for the right problem! BEWARE that the 684 user manual says that it will NOT allow an ASCII null character (0x00) in a macro. Their other products do not have this limitation. Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of P.J.Hicks Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 2:32 AM To: ELECRAFT Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box Other than an excuse to build something there might be another way. I haven't used one on my K3 but I do use one on my KX3. I have a Genovation model 684 serial programmable keypad that has 24 keys. One of those is used as a shift key so I have access to 46 macros at the touch of a button. Each macro space will hold approx. 180 characters so there is plenty of room for elaborate macros. Programming is a snap with the graphical interface supplied as is a cable. Cost was about $90.00 as I recall. There is a model with 35 keys. Might be the answer to your needs. PJH, N7PXY From darren.long at mac.com Mon Feb 16 09:40:07 2015 From: darren.long at mac.com (Darren Long) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:40:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Message-ID: <740BD1C2-6B5C-4D0E-A09B-563CA6DE594A@mac.com> If you already have gnuradio you could try this https://github.com/g0hww/gr-kx3 Cheers, 73 Darren, G0HWW Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Feb 2015, at 14:34, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > I'm quite interested in experimenting in this area. I've been playing > around with SDR via gnuradio with a cheap TV tuner dongle. Can > someone please explain the characteristics of the signal coming from > the IF Out port on the K3? Is it basically in the audio domain? Is it > this connector that would plug into the P3? I'd like to experiment > with viewing the signal spectrum using something similar to gnuradio. > > Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Brian Waterworth > wrote: >> Yes you can. >> >> I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a >> piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 and >> iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized >> computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the >> iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't >> helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) >> >> Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use >> another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). >> >> On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as >> this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use >> (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I >> can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated >> events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. >> >> regards, >> Brian >> VE3IBW >> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne wrote: >>> >>> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while using >>> another computer to run HRD etc? >>> >>> KD5SPX >>> Wayne >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > > > -- > Life is like Linux - it never stands still. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to darren.long at mac.com From w0eb at cox.net Mon Feb 16 09:49:16 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:49:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on RTTY. It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If someone is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them (they used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. Jim - W0EB > >On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: >>Hi, >>I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to >>narrow. > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 10:01:12 2015 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:01:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Wirelessly (wlan) through the pignology piglet for rig control. The piglet establishes a hotspot to which the iPad will connect. I used the Apple camera adapter (lightning port version for iPad Air) coupled to a Griffin iMic. The camera adapter is poorly named as it really just offers a USB port to the iPad. The KX3 RX I/O plugs into the stereo input connector of the iMic; must use a USB sound card with stereo input as many USB sound cards do not have stereo mic inputs. Also, the USB sound cards (small USB drive like devices) seldom have wide bandwidth ( > 44.1khz). Another reason the PX3 is so nice as it has 200 khz bandwidth. Note: iSDR will actually recognize the piglet and use it for rig control when the piglet is wirelessly connected to the iPad. So, Hamlog and iSDR both use the piglet; a nice bonus when more than one app will use the hardware. There are lots of youtube videos of Hams who have this set-up if you are interested to learn more from actual tutorial-like experiences. That is how I learned. Have a look at Jerry Taylor's channel (KD0BIK) on youtube and specifically the KX3 videos. They helped me a lot. There are also videos from other hams on iSDR, Griffin iMic, iPad, and the KX3. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > > Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? > > > > > > -- > Life is like Linux - it never stands still. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 16 10:29:02 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:29:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Johnny, We have not abandoned the LINK function. It is available in the menu, and can be assigned to a programmable function switch. There's also an LN remote-control command that remains unchanged. It can be used from a computer or embedded in K3 front panel switch macros. But we decided to remove it from the SUB switch, because so many operators have accidentally gotten into LINK when the intent was to simply turn on the sub receiver or put it into diversity mode. This has resulted in many phone calls to customer support. Many K3 users have commented that they appreciate the removal of LINK from the SUB switch. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Arie, > I agree with you 'LINK' should not be abandoned. Please excuse my language, I would consider the idea of abandoning the 'LINK' is stupid. > During APDXC 2012 in Icom HQ Osaka, I spoke to Mr. Inoue JA3FA that I did not understand why IC7800 did not have the function of LINK for both VFOA & B so that I could use the dual receivers for diversity reception. I also mentioned that their competitor K3 had that function which I often used. > Skillful use of diversity reception will enable you to pick up the odds even with simple antennae. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? Arie Kleingeld PA3A > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?02?16? (??) 1:10 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK > > Tony > > LINK ties both VFO's to the mail freq dial en keeps them insync when you > turn the dial knob. > So both receivers keep working on the same freq. > > What I often use i diversity listening so with two receivers and two > antennas on the samen freq. > Diversity puts the main RX audio on the left ear of the headset, and the > Sub on the right ear. That's the normal situation. > In my case, the F9-F12 buttons in N1MM contain commands to the K3 that > switch the audio to my liking (that can also be done in the Config, but > that takes too much time during QSO) This way I can switch listening > from diversity (listen both MainRX and SubRX at same time) to only main > RX (main RX audio on both ears) or only sub RX (Sub RX audio on both > ears) depending on where the signal is best. > The commands to do this are in the programmers manual of the K3. It's > really fun to control some beautiful K3 features from the keyboard like > this. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > > > > > > N2TK, Tony schreef op 15-2-2015 om 16:38: >> Hi Arie, >> I am not sure I understand what LINK does to help when both receivers are on >> the same freq. What does F9-F12 below do to help? >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony > ..... >> - F9 = listen A-B >> - F10 = listen A-A >> - F11 = listen B-B >> - F12 contains the commands to copy VFO freq and mode from A to B and LINK >> the VFO's. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From wv5i at ntin.net Mon Feb 16 10:40:38 2015 From: wv5i at ntin.net (Dwayne WV5I) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:40:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54E0D2F9.8030602@xs4all.nl> <1012798507.799317.1424047914238.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E20F76.6060902@ntin.net> Is there a possibility that the Link menu option include "Nor" as a default to keep the K3's button functionality the same as the manual describes and for those that want to keep it? Link OFF would remove LINK from the button as proposed. Keep the macro command for those that want to use it. 73, Dwayne WV5I From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 10:48:56 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 Message-ID: Any one know of a way to do it? I would like to be able to share the serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after reading the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might come along later, but those are the big two for now. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Feb 16 10:52:14 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:52:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box - GENOVATION In-Reply-To: <001501d049f6$20e586c0$62b09440$@gamewood.net> References: <001501d049f6$20e586c0$62b09440$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <54E2122E.7040905@nycap.rr.com> Not being a programmer - what does the lack of the null character mean? Will a simple terminal program such as Putty suffice for working with the Genovation? Programming and using the Pigknob is very easy - would the Genovation be as rewarding? Thanks, Bill W2BLC K-Line From wv5i at ntin.net Mon Feb 16 10:52:45 2015 From: wv5i at ntin.net (Dwayne WV5I) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:52:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <54E2124D.70409@ntin.net> I use the clock on the K3 as I no longer have a wristwatch and prefer not to have to pick up the iPhone to get the time. Those that don't need the clock can simply tap DISP and it will go away. I also use***MAIN: Alarm, Yes* on occasion to remind me of a net. *MAIN: Alarm* will also turn your rig ON at a preset time. New feature request: *MAIN: Alarm, Tap 4* to toggle a slightly audible dit every ten minutes as a reminder to ID. The clock on my K3 has been consistently slow since new, about 5 seconds per 24 hours. My preference is that it be a little more accurate, perhaps something closer to a quartz watch. Nothing too elaborate, not perfect, but more accurate than what we have now. Atomic clock accuracy or an external reference would be overkill on the K3. 73, Dwayne WV5I From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Feb 16 11:01:10 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> Here's an example where LINK was helpful to me: In the early AM I was calling CQ in CQWW160 and heard what I knew was someone just the very least bit above the noise level come back to me. I was using a HI-Z Triangular for Rx with the main and the sloper/INV-L Hybrid for the sub. I went to just the main and couldn't copy the signal and then went to LINK and with that I could barely make out JH0BBE. I could absolutely not do so otherwise at that moment. I just received his QSL for that Q in the mail and his is on the way back to him. The difference at that time between Main/Diversity/LINK was incredibly little but selecting through them at that time provided me with a new multiplier. There is I believe an attenuation when using Diversity which normally is insignificant but in rare & marginal cases, hearing both signals without any attenuation can make the difference. To me, the use of Diversity is almost always an improvement to readability but not 100% of the time. I would never give up the use of my Sub Rx, it is magnificent and invaluable to me. Sometimes LINK is useful. Flame suit on. 73, Gary KA1J > While reading this email thread, I just realized that many people don't know how to operate their K3s! Eliminating the LINK function should not cripple the diversity function, let alone eliminate it. I'm yet to read an example that would convince me about the usefulness of the function. In my opinion, the LINK function is a feature that I still don't understand why someone at Aptos bothered to program in the K3. As Don pointed out, the only use of this feature would be if a DX station was moving its TX frequency while working SPLIT. In more than 20 years as a ham chasing DX, I have never ever seen a DX station do that (it's kind of silly to do that because it would put in disadvantage the majority the DX'ers using other transceivers).? > Sorry for my bluntness.... > 73,Robert-KP4Y > > On Monday, February 16, 2015 5:22 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > Link uses both VFO's, with VFO A controlling main RX and VFO B > controlling sub RX. Diversity uses only VFO A on *both* main RX and > sub RX. > > Link memorizes the difference between VFO A and VFO B and maintains > VFO B at that difference while VFO A is being tuned. If you do A>B > before link, it will still be two synthesizers that are not locked, > just have the same current input parameters. In my case when I do this > I rarely hear the band noise spreading out into the band noise "sound > stage" needed for digging out weak discreet CW signals. > > Diversity is a phase lock between the two RX using the same set of > frequency generating sources for both RX. This always produces the > band noise sound stage. > > Note that the sound stage is not something generated in the K3. That > is done in our minds by the same mechanism that allows us to pick out > a single voice in a crowded noisy cafeteria. The band noise is spread > out around the "audio horizon" or "sound stage" in my "mind's ear". A > discrete signal is in one place on the sound stage. My mind easily > picks the discrete sound out of the spread-around noise. > > This is very much the same thing as listening to a stereo recording of > an orchestra that begins with audience buzz, which is all over the > audio horizon in my mind's ear.? When the music begins I hear the > violins to the left, though spread out a bit. I hear the tuba at a > specific spot on the right. > > Once a K3 diversity RX operator has learned to use "sound stage" > diversity, it is easily an S unit advantage on RX for a station at or > in the noise that you can't see on the S meter. > > For me diversity is always on 160 through 40. Anything that craps > diversity, for me throws away an S unit. > > If you are not getting the sound stage trying to use diversity, you > really are not getting the benefit, and have some fun ahead of you > when you do. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Tom Blahovici wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > I guess there is some confusion then as to the function of Link. > > Myself,? I thought it was solely there for diversity mode. > > So,? how else would one use the Link function? What is its purpose? > > Thanks > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 11:03:25 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:03:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> Message-ID: <54E214CD.5070107@comcast.net> Chris, If you are going after the K3 IF output, it is a single audio signal at the IF frequency. You will need to downconvert it to baseband and split it into two streams, one of which will need to be shifted by 90 degrees. It is these signals that go to a good sound card for playing. It will be the only way it will work. The P3 does everything it needs for spectrum display. The KX3 already gives baseband audio streams that are separated by 90 degrees meaning all you need to do is feed the streams to your sound card and operate on it with software. 73, Barry K3NDM On 2/16/2015 9:34 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > I'm quite interested in experimenting in this area. I've been playing > around with SDR via gnuradio with a cheap TV tuner dongle. Can > someone please explain the characteristics of the signal coming from > the IF Out port on the K3? Is it basically in the audio domain? Is it > this connector that would plug into the P3? I'd like to experiment > with viewing the signal spectrum using something similar to gnuradio. > > Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Brian Waterworth > wrote: >> Yes you can. >> >> I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a >> piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 and >> iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized >> computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the >> iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't >> helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) >> >> Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use >> another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). >> >> On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as >> this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use >> (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I >> can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated >> events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. >> >> regards, >> Brian >> VE3IBW >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne wrote: >> >>> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while using >>> another computer to run HRD etc? >>> >>> KD5SPX >>> Wayne >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > From ktalbott at gamewood.net Mon Feb 16 11:08:04 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:08:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box - GENOVATION In-Reply-To: <54E2122E.7040905@nycap.rr.com> References: <001501d049f6$20e586c0$62b09440$@gamewood.net> <54E2122E.7040905@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <004201d04a02$c11ae660$4350b320$@gamewood.net> If the macro requires only displayable ASCII characters (0x20 to 0x7F) then lack of null (0x00) would not be limitation. Base on the documentation, the Genovation programming GUI is very easy to use. A simple terminal program could be used but would require an understanding of the Genovation command set (which seems to be well documented if you want to write your own GUI). -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2BLC Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:52 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Button Box - GENOVATION Not being a programmer - what does the lack of the null character mean? Will a simple terminal program such as Putty suffice for working with the Genovation? Programming and using the Pigknob is very easy - would the Genovation be as rewarding? Thanks, Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 16 11:16:26 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:16:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <3D748101-A80F-4D77-8688-77417992D00B@yahoo.co.uk> What is the KX3 command to the time? I could not see it in the Programmers reference, I suppose I could port sniff the serial port when using the KX3 utility to set the time. I do have an Arduino that is tied to a GPS and is the shack LED clock, it wouldn't be hard to hook it to the KX3 when I wanted to set the clock accurately without using a computer. Just a fun thing to do. I am fairly lucky my KX3 clock keeps reasonable time, but I am a Time Nut and do like clocks to be accurate. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 16 Feb 2015, at 00:26, Nick Kemp wrote: > > An Arduino with a GPS could be programmed to update the clock via the serial port for those who need perfect time. > > Nick > N1KMP > > > Walter Underwood wrote on 2/15/2015 6:05 PM: >> I rarely carry my computer on the trail, but I do carry my KX3. >> >> It would be nice if the KX3 Utility could trim the clock rate. It can read it and set it. If it recorded the last time the clock was set, it could set a drift correction, assuming that the clock chip supports that. >> >> wunder >> Walter Underwood >> wunder at wunderwood.org >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >> > I'm still puzzled as to why there's a clock at all. Everything I do that requires time is picked up from the computer. >> > >> > 73, Mike NF4L >> > >> >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> >> >> >> I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated every 15 minutes by NTP. >> >> >> >> Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). >> >> >> >> I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the radio is already on too]. >> >> >> >> If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter the shack while remote. >> >> >> >> Can that be put on the list? >> >> >> >> Rick wa6nhc >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> Elecraft mailing list >> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From phystad at mac.com Mon Feb 16 11:27:26 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:27:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming Message-ID: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> Question about programming interface for all the K-Line equipment (including P3 and KAT500)? Are the published programming commands totally complete? In other words, is the published interface sufficient to rewrite all functions of the K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 utility programs including the firmware updates? 73, phil, K7PEH From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 16 11:28:24 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 08:28:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> Message-ID: LINK was added as the initial hold function of SUB because, at the time, we hadn't realized how important diversity mode would become to K3 users. We later added SUB as a "long hold," which overloaded this switch (now three functions). This has been a continual source of complaints since we added the KRX3 option. Many users have trouble making the selection, because of the need to time the switch hold. Providing LINK as a menu entry, instead, has been on my list since the Pleistocene, and I finally got around to it. I tested this change on a large group of field testers (30+), and the response was overwhelmingly positive. That is why the change is now in the beta release (regular hold of SUB selecting DIVersity mode). Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely to become "DIV" (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:40 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I never, ever use LINK. I use diversity often. I like the beta because it enables me to use the SUB button to toggle diversity, thus freeing up one of the programmable function keys for something else. I found the long hold unusable. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> >> Leave LINK as it is please. >> >> I wonder what the majority of k3 owners think? >> >> Gary >> Vk1ZZ >> K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 11:29:35 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:29:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <3D748101-A80F-4D77-8688-77417992D00B@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> <3D748101-A80F-4D77-8688-77417992D00B@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: The internal clock in my KX3 (Which I set a week ago when I received my radio from the UPS man) is off by 9 seconds from the clock in my MacBook Pro (Which I just checked and it is set to the time coming from time.gov.) My wrist watch is off by some 30 or so second. Would I like for all of them to agree on time, yes. is it a deal breaker, no. If I need to check the time I'll just tune to WWV. As long as the time is close, that's enough for me. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, David Anderson wrote: > What is the KX3 command to the time? I could not see it in the Programmers > reference, I suppose I could port sniff the serial port when using the KX3 > utility to set the time. > > I do have an Arduino that is tied to a GPS and is the shack LED clock, it > wouldn't be hard to hook it to the KX3 when I wanted to set the clock > accurately without using a computer. Just a fun thing to do. > > I am fairly lucky my KX3 clock keeps reasonable time, but I am a Time Nut > and do like clocks to be accurate. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 00:26, Nick Kemp wrote: > > > > An Arduino with a GPS could be programmed to update the clock via the > serial port for those who need perfect time. > > > > Nick > > N1KMP > > > > > > Walter Underwood wrote on 2/15/2015 6:05 PM: > >> I rarely carry my computer on the trail, but I do carry my KX3. > >> > >> It would be nice if the KX3 Utility could trim the clock rate. It can > read it and set it. If it recorded the last time the clock was set, it > could set a drift correction, assuming that the clock chip supports that. > >> > >> wunder > >> Walter Underwood > >> wunder at wunderwood.org > >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> > >> > >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L > wrote: > >> > >> > I'm still puzzled as to why there's a clock at all. Everything I do > that requires time is picked up from the computer. > >> > > >> > 73, Mike NF4L > >> > > >> >> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I don't care about seeing the clock and also reset it when I think > of it. All required timely functions are met with the managing PC, updated > every 15 minutes by NTP. > >> >> > >> >> Repeating myself: I would like to see the ALARM function made > sticky (repeatable without any user intervention). > >> >> > >> >> I operate remotely. If the power fails, without added hardware (and > software) the K3 will not power on. An alarm can be used for this > function, but only if someone sets it prior to the power failure [when the > radio is already on too]. > >> >> > >> >> If the alarm were sticky (and optionally hits once an hour?) when > the power comes back to the station, the K3 would power on at the alarm > time(s). VERY useful function, less down time or needing someone to enter > the shack while remote. > >> >> > >> >> Can that be put on the list? > >> >> > >> >> Rick wa6nhc > >> >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> >> Elecraft mailing list > >> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> >> > >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> >> Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net > >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________ > >> > Elecraft mailing list > >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to nkemp1165 at hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 16 11:32:31 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:32:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting reference frequency some time after tx compensation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91348A8B-9DE4-4B04-9744-301B31579A56@yahoo.co.uk> David I did almost the same, I did the extended temperature calibration with the XG50 and then afterwards did the REFCAL calibration on the 5th harmonic of my Z3801 10MHz GPSDO. This was last year and today I rechecked on the same 50MHz signal and found it was within a Hz of where it was before. Then I thought I will check it on 10MHz and it was about 40 Hz off. So setting up REFCAL at the highest frequency does not seem the best way as I had previously imagined it would be. I have now calibrated at 20 MHz which is giving almost the same point at 10 MHz and wee bit difference at 30 MHz. Now of course 50 MHz is 40 Hz out, but I am not that fussed as I don't see me using the KX3 for anything at that frequency as I have another 50MHz rig with more power. As a sanity check I tried another GPSDO and a 10 MHz OCXO and they all agreed. As to your second question, I believe that you do not need to repeat the extended temperature frequency cal if you recalibrate the REFCAL. Summary, I find the same discrepancy between calibrating at 50MHz and 20 or 10 MHz. I also find that the KX3 does keep its frequency calibration setting very well over a long period of time. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 15 Feb 2015, at 21:51, David Orman wrote: > > Hi, > > A while ago (months) I did the extended temperature compensation procedure > using the XG50, which seemed successful. I decided to tune up to 20MHz > recently, and noticed when in CW mode, if I ran spot (manual) I was off, by > a small margin (33Hz). I'm assuming this is normal as time goes on, is this > a correct assumption? > > Second question: assuming it is normal, and I should periodically > re-calibrate using the XG50 or a known signal like WWV, is it safe to go to > ref cal in the menu, unlock it, and manually tune/zero beat to adjust the > frequency - without losing the calibration gained from doing the extended > temperature compensation procedure? I'd rather not have to repeat that > process any more than necessary, so I'm hoping the look-up table that > generates is for something like offset based on temperature and so remains > constant, and only the main reference calibration needs changing? I did > this to test, and the menu item is still 'REF*CAL'. Tapping CMP while in > this menu option, I have verified it is set to 'CUSTOM'. > > I appreciate any feedback, > David > _______________________________________ From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 16 11:02:54 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:02:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjusting reference frequency some time after tx compensation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3069F3C5-61C2-4834-9F5A-C34212C0E040@yahoo.co.uk> David I did almost the same, I did the extended temperature calibration with the XG50 and then afterwards did the REFCAL calibration on the 5th harmonic of my Z3801 10MHz GPSDO. This was last year and today I rechecked on the same 50MHz signal and found it was within a Hz of where it was before. Then I thought I will check it on 10MHz and it was about 40 Hz off. So setting up REFCAL at the highest frequency does not seem the best way as I had previously imagined it would be. I have now calibrated at 20 MHz which is giving almost the same point at 10 MHz and wee bit difference at 30 MHz. Now of course 50 MHz is 40 Hz out, but I am not that fussed as I don't see me using the KX3 for anything at that frequency as I have another 50MHz rig with more power. As a sanity check I tried another GPSDO and a 10 MHz OCXO and they all agreed. As to your second question, I believe that you do not need to repeat the extended temperature frequency cal if you recalibrate the REFCAL. Summary, I find the same discrepancy between calibrating at 50MHz and 20 or 10 MHz. I also find that the KX3 does keep its frequency calibration setting very well over a long period of time. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 15 Feb 2015, at 21:51, David Orman wrote: > > Hi, > > A while ago (months) I did the extended temperature compensation procedure > using the XG50, which seemed successful. I decided to tune up to 20MHz > recently, and noticed when in CW mode, if I ran spot (manual) I was off, by > a small margin (33Hz). I'm assuming this is normal as time goes on, is this > a correct assumption? > > Second question: assuming it is normal, and I should periodically > re-calibrate using the XG50 or a known signal like WWV, is it safe to go to > ref cal in the menu, unlock it, and manually tune/zero beat to adjust the > frequency - without losing the calibration gained from doing the extended > temperature compensation procedure? I'd rather not have to repeat that > process any more than necessary, so I'm hoping the look-up table that > generates is for something like offset based on temperature and so remains > constant, and only the main reference calibration needs changing? I did > this to test, and the menu item is still 'REF*CAL'. Tapping CMP while in > this menu option, I have verified it is set to 'CUSTOM'. > > I appreciate any feedback, > David > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From wb6rse1 at mac.com Mon Feb 16 12:18:14 2015 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:18:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: The CPU between my ears is what the L vs R phase difference processes in Diversity mode. I can get a somewhat similar affect using AFX (or the equivalent with a Heil headset that has a phase reversal switch) but significantly without the benefit of the phase difference of the received signal from two different antennas in Diversity RX. I never use LINK. When my K3 is in LINK mode, I stare at the front panel until I realize it's operator error. I?ve seen this all to often when a DXpedition using a K3 thinks he?s split but is actually working guys on his TX frequency. An unfortunate bonanza for the all to eager lid police. Steve WB6RSE > On Feb 16, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > The difference at that time between Main/Diversity/LINK was > incredibly little but selecting through them at that time provided me > with a new multiplier. There is I believe an attenuation when using > Diversity which normally is insignificant but in rare & marginal > cases, hearing both signals without any attenuation can make the > difference. > > To me, the use of Diversity is almost always an improvement to > readability but not 100% of the time. I would never give up the use > of my Sub Rx, it is magnificent and invaluable to me. Sometimes LINK > is useful. > From nkemp1165 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:24:47 2015 From: nkemp1165 at hotmail.com (Nick Kemp) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:24:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: Clock chip In-Reply-To: <3D748101-A80F-4D77-8688-77417992D00B@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201502152257.t1FMvpsF023582@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54E12BAA.6080102@gmail.com> <3775050D-F444-4983-9237-E42104A571D1@comcast.net> <7AA67168-290C-4F89-BF36-E3AE39C61A0A@wunderwood.org> <3D748101-A80F-4D77-8688-77417992D00B@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: "What is the KX3 command to the time? " ...I think it is MN073/MP073. I looked at this briefly a while back but did not pursue farther. Nick N1KMP David Anderson wrote on 2/16/2015 10:16 AM: > What is the KX3 command to the time? I could not see it in the Programmers reference, I suppose I could port sniff the serial port when using the KX3 utility to set the time. > > I do have an Arduino that is tied to a GPS and is the shack LED clock, it wouldn't be hard to hook it to the KX3 when I wanted to set the clock accurately without using a computer. Just a fun thing to do. > > I am fairly lucky my KX3 clock keeps reasonable time, but I am a Time Nut and do like clocks to be accurate. > > 73 > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Feb 16 12:36:35 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming In-Reply-To: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> References: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> Message-ID: <2349BF7220B54DA285724D791D60CF6D@tomsPC> Hi Phil, While most commands are available in the programming interface, none of the DSP commands are, neither is there any published means to load the firmware. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:27 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming Question about programming interface for all the K-Line equipment (including P3 and KAT500)? Are the published programming commands totally complete? In other words, is the published interface sufficient to rewrite all functions of the K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 utility programs including the firmware updates? 73, phil, K7PEH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From droese at necg.de Mon Feb 16 12:40:53 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:40:53 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E22BA5.3090807@necg.de> > Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function > on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, > exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely > to become "DIV" (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because there is no space for it. ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA From dmoes at nexicom.net Mon Feb 16 12:47:47 2015 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:47:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY Message-ID: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> David Moes VE3DVY Since I find that the 8 pole 250 Hz filter is really a bit wider I tell my K3 in filter setups its 300hz It works fine for me this way including on RTTY During the WPXRTTY this weekend I had good luck copying weak signals right beside a power house signal using the 250hz filter. > > --- Original message --- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY > From: Jim's Desktop > To: > Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 9:49 AM > > The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I > borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on > RTTY. > It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If > someone > is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them > (they > used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out > there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, > especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter > doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more > noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. > > Jim - W0EB >> >> >> On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to >>> narrow. >> From challinan at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 12:49:46 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: <54E214CD.5070107@comcast.net> References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> <54E214CD.5070107@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Barry, that explanation helps alot. So I'm assuming that the IF output of the K3 is a very traditional IF as in other radios, ie it's not Quadrature, etc. Would that be correct? If so, another approach would be to feed into an A/D, and then do the rest in software, ie gnuradio. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that gnuradio already supports similar configurations, including down converting (for certain), splitting and creating the quadrature output (unknown). Sounds like a fun project. Wish I had time to pursue it!! ;) If I'm reading the block diagram correctly, it looks like an 8.125 MHz IF. -Chris On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: > Chris, > If you are going after the K3 IF output, it is a single audio signal at > the IF frequency. You will need to downconvert it to baseband and split it > into two streams, one of which will need to be shifted by 90 degrees. It is > these signals that go to a good sound card for playing. It will be the only > way it will work. The P3 does everything it needs for spectrum display. The > KX3 already gives baseband audio streams that are separated by 90 degrees > meaning all you need to do is feed the streams to your sound card and > operate on it with software. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > > On 2/16/2015 9:34 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> >> I'm quite interested in experimenting in this area. I've been playing >> around with SDR via gnuradio with a cheap TV tuner dongle. Can >> someone please explain the characteristics of the signal coming from >> the IF Out port on the K3? Is it basically in the audio domain? Is it >> this connector that would plug into the P3? I'd like to experiment >> with viewing the signal spectrum using something similar to gnuradio. >> >> Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Brian Waterworth >> wrote: >>> >>> Yes you can. >>> >>> I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a >>> piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 >>> and >>> iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized >>> computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the >>> iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't >>> helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) >>> >>> Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use >>> another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). >>> >>> On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as >>> this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use >>> (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I >>> can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated >>> events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. >>> >>> regards, >>> Brian >>> VE3IBW >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while >>>> using >>>> another computer to run HRD etc? >>>> >>>> KD5SPX >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From phystad at mac.com Mon Feb 16 13:13:23 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:13:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming In-Reply-To: <2349BF7220B54DA285724D791D60CF6D@tomsPC> References: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> <2349BF7220B54DA285724D791D60CF6D@tomsPC> Message-ID: Tom, Thanks. I sort of guessed that but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't some source of programming information that I was unaware of. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 16, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Tom wrote: > > Hi Phil, > While most commands are available in the programming interface, none of the DSP commands are, neither is there any published means to load the firmware. > Tom > > -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:27 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming > > Question about programming interface for all the K-Line equipment (including P3 and KAT500)? > > Are the published programming commands totally complete? In other words, is the published interface sufficient to rewrite all functions of the K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 utility programs including the firmware updates? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Mon Feb 16 13:14:45 2015 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:14:45 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware updates under Linux/ARM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E23395.14205.212B7F3@g8kbvdave.googlemail.com> From hickspj467 at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 13:38:07 2015 From: hickspj467 at comcast.net (P.J.Hicks) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Keypad - Button Box Message-ID: <356221030.7546147.1424111887767.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> While all the above statements may be true here is my experience... but with a KX3 mind you! ? I have the model 684 serial 24 key keypad. It is connected to my KX3 through a "Y" connection to the serial port on the KX3 (ACC1 if I recall correctly). After programming, it has no connection to the computer. I ran the programmer program and programmed the keypad on a WIN 7 OS computer and had no problems other than learning the macro commands and the KX3 variants. There are no data conflicts as the keypad only sends and the other serial device on ACC1 only listens.? ? As an example, if I want to change from PSK31 on 14.070.000 USB at 1.0 watts (to drive my HR-50 at 25 wts) to SSB on 40 meters at 10 watts and set the filter to 2.5kHz I push one button. I have keys set up for various filter widths, band and mode changes, etc. Works for me. Programmer also comes with a drawing file that lets you design and print your own key cap legends. ? I first heard or saw this keypad a year or so ago when Jean-Francois Menard, VA2SS, posted his project. He used the 35 key version. He later published the project particulars in an article in QST I believe. He and several others were very helpful with macro issues?and building the serial cable with the KX3 plug on one end. Turns out I was trying to use a damaged length of cable. ? PJH, N7PXY From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 13:59:28 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:59:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E22BA5.3090807@necg.de> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> <54E22BA5.3090807@necg.de> Message-ID: My experience with LINK is all bad. If I'm in LINK I most likely don't know what is going on. It gets turned on in those gray hours in a contest when my really thinking brain has gone somewhere in the warm Caribbean to take a long nap. All left manning the rig is a brute beast that functions on rote. If the solution isn't already a habit, it probably can't think its way out of a paper bag. Getting caught with LINK one time had me listening to what my foggy brain concluded was an attempt to take over my run frequency. In fact it was the occupant of a frequency about 40 kHz away. I of course tried to operate through him to make him go away, including losing some number of weakies I couldn't copy with that racket going on. It took five or ten minutes to realize that all the racket was in my right ear and the offending run station was not on my S-meter. Then, to get me back to diversity, I had to turn SUB off, and do the long hold on SUB, which I didn't get right the first two times, probably for the same reason I wound up in LINK the first time. And in the piddling trying to get diversity back on, I didn't transmit enough and DID lose the run frequency for real. At least I didn't send the up 40 fellow a flame email after the contest like I did one time, when I didn't figure it out until the next day after I'd had some sleep. I don't want to take LINK away from anyone who likes or uses it, but removing the ghastly SUB-LINK-DIVERSITY sequence of old, with two kinds of HOLD, is a godsend. Thank you Wayne, Others seem to really diss diversity. And their commentary convinces me that some have not been doing sound-stage diversity correctly if at all. Sound-stage diversity DOES require at minimum a separate antenna on the sub RX, even if on 160 this is listening to your 80 inverted vee on the sub RX (not all that bad, the first thing I tried). Sound stage diversity does require phase-locking the two RX. Often listening diversity on two separately oriented RX antennas will seem to improve the performance of BOTH receive antennas. If one's idea of diversity includes the notion that going into diversity knocks down the main RX level, you really don't have it set up, and have a pleasant surprise awaiting discovery. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: >> Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function >> on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, >> exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely >> to become "DIV" (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. > > And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because > there is no space for it. ;-) > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 14:01:51 2015 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:01:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> References: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> Message-ID: I also like the 400 Hz filter, but when tuning around like in this weekend's CQ WPX RTTY then I went much wider. With that width came lots of noise. What is a good idea on that? And thanks ahead of time. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM, wrote: > > > > David Moes > VE3DVY > > Since I find that the 8 pole 250 Hz filter is really a bit wider I tell > my K3 in filter setups its 300hz It works fine for me this way including > on RTTY > > During the WPXRTTY this weekend I had good luck copying weak signals > right beside a power house signal using the 250hz filter. > > >> --- Original message --- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY >> From: Jim's Desktop >> To: >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 9:49 AM >> >> The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I >> borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on RTTY. >> It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If someone >> is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them (they >> used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out >> there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, >> especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter >> doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more >> noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. >> >> Jim - W0EB >> >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to >>>> narrow. >>>> >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3tb.ted at gmail.com > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From w1rg at hotmail.com Mon Feb 16 13:57:55 2015 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:57:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Keypad_-_Button_Box?= Message-ID: I have the 681 35 key serial keypad, but in addition to using it alone I also use my logger/rig control through the same port using VSPE software. Works well. With VSPE you can have as many hardware/software apps interfacing with the KX3 as you may need. I suppose you can overload the VSPE, but I haven?t yet. I also got the lead on this from Jean-Francois. Many thanks to him for his advise.. 73 Gil, W1RG From: P.J.Hicks Sent: ?Monday?, ?February? ?16?, ?2015 ?1?:?38? ?PM To: ELECRAFT While all the above statements may be true here is my experience... but with a KX3 mind you! I have the model 684 serial 24 key keypad. It is connected to my KX3 through a "Y" connection to the serial port on the KX3 (ACC1 if I recall correctly). After programming, it has no connection to the computer. I ran the programmer program and programmed the keypad on a WIN 7 OS computer and had no problems other than learning the macro commands and the KX3 variants. There are no data conflicts as the keypad only sends and the other serial device on ACC1 only listens. As an example, if I want to change from PSK31 on 14.070.000 USB at 1.0 watts (to drive my HR-50 at 25 wts) to SSB on 40 meters at 10 watts and set the filter to 2.5kHz I push one button. I have keys set up for various filter widths, band and mode changes, etc. Works for me. Programmer also comes with a drawing file that lets you design and print your own key cap legends. I first heard or saw this keypad a year or so ago when Jean-Francois Menard, VA2SS, posted his project. He used the 35 key version. He later published the project particulars in an article in QST I believe. He and several others were very helpful with macro issues and building the serial cable with the KX3 plug on one end. Turns out I was trying to use a damaged length of cable. PJH, N7PXY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Mon Feb 16 14:04:50 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:04:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Josh, I am not aware of a way to do it natively on OS X. However, I have OS X 10.10 and run VMWare Fusion. Under Fusion I am running Windows 8.1 and my KX3 is connected there. I use a serial port manager (free) called LP Bridge (LPB2). With LPB2 in place, I simultaneously run NaP3 (Pan Display Program, also free) and my Windows Logging program - LOG4OM. (yes, that?s free, too!) Not ideal, but I?ve had a K3/P3 for quite some time and when I got the KX3, I really missed the pan display. The PX3 was only dreamware when I got my KX3, so having NaP3 was super! I still use it, as my OS X is running on a 27? iMac and having the pan display of the KX3 on a screen that large is amazing! I have my K3 connected to the OS X side of things, where my main logging program (MacLoggerDX) runs. I export via ADIF from LOG4OM my KX3 contacts and haul them into MacLoggerDX periodically, via Dropbox. Wish I could point you to a multi-serial port application for the Mac, but I know of none. 73, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Monday, Feb 16, 2015, at Monday, 7:48 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > Any one know of a way to do it? I would like to be able to share the > serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after reading > the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might come > along later, but those are the big two for now. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Mon Feb 16 14:18:39 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:18:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sharing is a challenge, but not impossible. Consider if you require both applications to be able to control the unit. If this is the case, then I would say no. If you only want one to monitor the frequency of the radio but not provide input, then it is doable. The 'simple' way is to have a Y cable where one connection is the master connection that has full control of the radio and the other just listens to the radio communication. Steppir does this already as an example.' This Y cable would connect to the radio and would connect to 1 physical serial report as the master. Then, with another single wire it would go to another physical serial port in an RX only mode. The above is the safest so there are no port conflictions or control issues. In the windows world, there are tools to do this. In the Flex world we use DDUTIL or for others, PSTRotator does a good job of communicating with many devices. In the future, it would great if all the communications got off RS232 and moved to TCP or UDP and we can get away from RS232. These things take time of course. I hope that helps some. Mike va3mw On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:04 PM, James Bennett wrote: > Josh, > > I am not aware of a way to do it natively on OS X. However, I have OS X > 10.10 and run VMWare Fusion. Under Fusion I am running Windows 8.1 and my > KX3 is connected there. I use a serial port manager (free) called LP Bridge > (LPB2). With LPB2 in place, I simultaneously run NaP3 (Pan Display Program, > also free) and my Windows Logging program - LOG4OM. (yes, that?s free, too!) > > Not ideal, but I?ve had a K3/P3 for quite some time and when I got the > KX3, I really missed the pan display. The PX3 was only dreamware when I got > my KX3, so having NaP3 was super! I still use it, as my OS X is running on > a 27? iMac and having the pan display of the KX3 on a screen that large is > amazing! > > I have my K3 connected to the OS X side of things, where my main logging > program (MacLoggerDX) runs. I export via ADIF from LOG4OM my KX3 contacts > and haul them into MacLoggerDX periodically, via Dropbox. > > Wish I could point you to a multi-serial port application for the Mac, but > I know of none. > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > > > On Monday, Feb 16, 2015, at Monday, 7:48 AM, Joshua Gould < > jg.k8wxa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Any one know of a way to do it? I would like to be able to share the > > serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after > reading > > the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might > come > > along later, but those are the big two for now. > > > > 72, > > Joshua Gould > > K8WXA > > EM89pn > > > > KX3# 7465 > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Feb 16 14:24:01 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:24:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> <54E10FE1.3030206@embarqmail.com> <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E243D1.3050101@kanafi.org> On 2/15/2015 2:33 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock in a radio. > I do wonder why there is one at all. Is not accuracy in the time domain as worthwhile as accuracy in the frequency domain? I guess that all those years that I spent in government and civilian comm centers (now renamed "network operating centers") ingrained the need for "accurate time of day" in my operating habits. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 T2-00000208 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 16 14:27:49 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 11:27:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/16/2015 9:18 AM, wb6rse1 at mac.com wrote: > The CPU between my ears is what the L vs R phase difference processes in Diversity mode. I can get a somewhat similar affect using AFX (or the equivalent with a Heil headset that has a phase reversal switch) but significantly without the benefit of the phase difference of the received signal from two different antennas in Diversity RX. You (and Heil) are using the word "phase" incorrectly when you talk about "reversing" it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. Phase is a continuously variable function measured in degrees (or radians), has the range of +/- infinity. Phase has no meaning for signals of different frequencies. When phase differences are the result of time differences between two signals of the same frequency (for example, a direct signal and a reflected one), the phase difference is proportional to the time difference. These multiple arrivals cause what we hear as "picket fencing" at VHF and UHF, and long slow fades on the lower frequency bands (including 160M). The peaks occur when direct and reflected are more nearly in phase, the dips occur when direct and reflected are nearly equal in amplitude but close to 180 degrees out of phase. Another example -- when we use lengths of feedline to provide phase shift for antenna arrays, the amount of phase shift depends on the frequency. If we want two antennas to be driven precisely in phase over a broad frequency range (for example, wide bands like 160M, 80M, and 10M), we should use two lines of equal length. A half-wave (or multiple of half-waves) will provide the desired phase relationship at a single design frequency, but a different value away from that frequency. 73, Jim K9YC From clive at thelortons.co.uk Mon Feb 16 14:47:28 2015 From: clive at thelortons.co.uk (Clive Lorton) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:47:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: > You (and Heil) are using the word "phase" incorrectly when you talk > about "reversing" it. What that switch is doing is reversing the > POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is > the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio > guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this > manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other transducer) to be out of polarity. From Wikipedia: *"Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced to the same point in time.^ Two oscillators that have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with each other." Clive G8POC From lists at subich.com Mon Feb 16 14:56:57 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:56:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Keypad - Button Box In-Reply-To: <356221030.7546147.1424111887767.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <356221030.7546147.1424111887767.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E24B89.1030006@subich.com> > He later published the project particulars in an article in QST I > believe. It wasn't in QST - at least nothing appears in the ARRL Periodicals Search for QST under either VA2SS or his old call VA2VYZ. However, see: http://www.eham.net/articles/32176 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-16 1:38 PM, P.J.Hicks wrote: > While all the above statements may be true here is my experience... but with a KX3 mind you! > > I have the model 684 serial 24 key keypad. It is connected to my KX3 through a "Y" connection to the serial port on the KX3 (ACC1 if I recall correctly). After programming, it has no connection to the computer. I ran the programmer program and programmed the keypad on a WIN 7 OS computer and had no problems other than learning the macro commands and the KX3 variants. There are no data conflicts as the keypad only sends and the other serial device on ACC1 only listens. > > As an example, if I want to change from PSK31 on 14.070.000 USB at 1.0 watts (to drive my HR-50 at 25 wts) to SSB on 40 meters at 10 watts and set the filter to 2.5kHz I push one button. I have keys set up for various filter widths, band and mode changes, etc. Works for me. Programmer also comes with a drawing file that lets you design and print your own key cap legends. > > I first heard or saw this keypad a year or so ago when Jean-Francois Menard, VA2SS, posted his project. He used the 35 key version. He later published the project particulars in an article in QST I believe. He and several others were very helpful with macro issues and building the serial cable with the KX3 plug on one end. Turns out I was trying to use a damaged length of cable. > > PJH, N7PXY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ve3iay at storm.ca Mon Feb 16 14:59:16 2015 From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:59:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY Message-ID: <54E24C14.5020405@storm.ca> If you take the "250 Hz" marketing name of the filter too seriously and set it to switch in at a DSP bandwidth of 250 Hz, then yes, it is perhaps too narrow for comfortable use with RTTY. On the other hand, if you set the filter to switch in at 350 Hz, the combination of the "250 Hz" filter with a 350 Hz DSP bandwidth seems to work quite well for RTTY when QRM is heavy. When QRM is not quite so bad, you may get better decoding results using wider bandwidths in both the roofing filter and the DSP. 73, Rich VE3KI W0EB wrote: > The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I > borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on RTTY. > It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If someone > is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them (they > used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out > there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, > especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter > doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more > noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Feb 16 15:00:39 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:00:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: This bad terminology has been around for a long time. My dad?s 1960?s Sherwood amp (maybe an S-5000?) had a switch on the front labeled ?PHASE NORM - REV?. That was to save you the trouble of reversing the speaker wires after you got them all connected to the screw terminals. Just choose which ever setting had more bass. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 16, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Clive Lorton wrote: > On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: >> You (and Heil) are using the word "phase" incorrectly when you talk about "reversing" it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for nearly 40 years. > I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other transducer) to be out of polarity. > > From Wikipedia: *"Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced to the same point in time.^ Two oscillators that have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with each other." > > Clive G8POC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 15:09:45 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:09:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: To my simple minded (physics) view of things, polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone moves for a given direction of audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two speakers have the same "polarity" then they will both move forwards or backwards at the same time, irrespective of the frequency (assuming they are being fed with the same signal of course!). Phase differences can only have any meaning for a given frequency and can have maximum values of +/- 180 deg, +/- pi rads etc. It is easy to see how the confusion can exist. Interestingly, an old pair of AR speakers I own have a 'polarity' switch. 73, Stephen G4SJP On 16 February 2015 at 19:47, Clive Lorton wrote: > On 16/02/2015 19:27, Jim Brown wrote: > >> You (and Heil) are using the word "phase" incorrectly when you talk about >> "reversing" it. What that switch is doing is reversing the POLARITY. >> Polarity has two values -- normal and inverted. Polarity is the same for >> all frequencies. Bob Heil, who claims to be the audio guru should know >> better -- the word polarity has been used in this manner in pro audio for >> nearly 40 years. >> > I understand the word polarity and I understand the word phase after 40 > years in the audio industry I've never known a loudspeaker (or other > transducer) to be out of polarity. > > From Wikipedia: *"Phase difference* is the difference, expressed in > degrees or time, between two waves having the same frequency and referenced > to the same point in time.^ org/wiki/Phase_%28waves%29#cite_note-Ballou2005-1> Two oscillators that > have the same frequency and no phase difference are said to be *in phase*. > Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a > phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be *out of phase* with > each other." > > Clive G8POC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Feb 16 15:09:58 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:09:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Line Programming In-Reply-To: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> References: <237904F3-C33B-4232-8EA1-D710BD54DE33@mac.com> Message-ID: <20150216200958.GM25116@n0nb.us> As near as I have been able to determine the memory commands for the K3 have never been officially published. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 15:14:01 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:14:01 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling In-Reply-To: References: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A11AD79-AB53-4526-940F-1B39E2C535A4@gmail.com> Hook up the RX I/Q output to a pan adapter program on your PC (enable the output first, use a stereo input on your PC) and you'll be able to see the amount of shift between your signal source and the KX3's LO, and you should also be able to see the image. This graphical representation will help you to see what is going on at a glance. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 17 Feb 2015, at 12:11 am, David Orman wrote: > > RX Shift is definitely set to 8.0, on every band. I had to do that for the previous step, which went successfully. > > Thank you, > David > >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >> I'd say you have RX SHFT set to "nor" instead of "8.0". If you set your sidetone to 550Hz, and 8kHz shift is not enabled, then you'll pick up the image 2 * 550 Hz = 1.1 kHz away, which is what you are reporting. >> >> Remember that RX SHFT is a "per-band" setting, so you need to enable it separately for each band. >> >> 73, >> Matt VK2RQ >> >> > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:17 pm, David Orman wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and >> > I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a >> > signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) >> > Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting my >> > KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: >> > >> > 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a. >> > Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 >> > m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source. >> > Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from >> > within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and see an >> > Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp >> > setting or the RF source level. >> > >> > This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If I >> > turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) >> > >> > What am I doing wrong/missing? >> > >> > Thank you, >> > David >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Feb 16 15:47:58 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 12:47:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: <54E243D1.3050101@kanafi.org> References: <25BC235628D6420CB873DA207FC409F5@TDYDell> <54E0F78E.304@k5dkz.com> <54E0FBB1.3070709@kanafi.org> <54E10FE1.3030206@embarqmail.com> <54E11ED4.40404@socal.rr.com> <54E243D1.3050101@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <54E2577E.10508@socal.rr.com> On 2/16/15 11:24 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 2/15/2015 2:33 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock in a radio. >> I do wonder why there is one at all. > Is not accuracy in the time domain as worthwhile as accuracy in the > frequency domain? Likely not -- until the regs include time as well as frequency limits. Phil W7OX From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 16:14:50 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:14:50 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling In-Reply-To: <4A11AD79-AB53-4526-940F-1B39E2C535A4@gmail.com> References: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> <4A11AD79-AB53-4526-940F-1B39E2C535A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, I reviewed the procedure -- it's been a long time since I did it. I think there is an error in the procedure. What you should do is tune the KX3 to the *same* frequency as your signal source. You should be in CW normal mode, RIT off, and you should verify that the signal source is giving a strong signal S9 to S9+30dB. If it is not in this range, you should set the preamp/attenuator settings to bring it in range. *Now* you tune the KX3 VFO up 16 kHz, and set the RIT to -1.1. The signal you now hear should be the image, which you should try to null out. Sorry for the confusion before, I should have reviewed the procedure before commenting. 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 17 Feb 2015, at 7:14 am, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > > Hook up the RX I/Q output to a pan adapter program on your PC (enable the output first, use a stereo input on your PC) and you'll be able to see the amount of shift between your signal source and the KX3's LO, and you should also be able to see the image. This graphical representation will help you to see what is going on at a glance. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > >> On 17 Feb 2015, at 12:11 am, David Orman wrote: >> >> RX Shift is definitely set to 8.0, on every band. I had to do that for the previous step, which went successfully. >> >> Thank you, >> David >> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: >>> I'd say you have RX SHFT set to "nor" instead of "8.0". If you set your sidetone to 550Hz, and 8kHz shift is not enabled, then you'll pick up the image 2 * 550 Hz = 1.1 kHz away, which is what you are reporting. >>> >>> Remember that RX SHFT is a "per-band" setting, so you need to enable it separately for each band. >>> >>> 73, >>> Matt VK2RQ >>> >>> > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:17 pm, David Orman wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and >>> > I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a >>> > signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) >>> > Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting my >>> > KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: >>> > >>> > 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: a. >>> > Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 >>> > m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal source. >>> > Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from >>> > within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and see an >>> > Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp >>> > setting or the RF source level. >>> > >>> > This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If I >>> > turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) >>> > >>> > What am I doing wrong/missing? >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > David >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com >> From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 16:24:01 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ In-Reply-To: References: <332AEC90BA733944BF3D4CE05B656D3C014FF70B8F@EXMBDC01.dfw.dfwairport.com> <54E214CD.5070107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E25FF1.2020706@comcast.net> Chris, The IF out on the K3 is straight IF as it is going to be used in the radio. That is correct. It is not useable as it is for DSP purposes without a little work. The absolute simplest is to order a LP-Pan for the K3. It takes the IF out and gives you baseband I&Q analog streams to be used for your purposes. Let me get a little technical. You must have a way to discern not only amplitude but phase information. By obtaining this information you can describe all of the signal information present in the streams. Doing a A/D on two streams of analog data that has a known phase shift between them allows for this. Quadrature is the easiest, IMHO, so that is why that is what is used. You could use the IF out and split it into two analog streams, shift one 90 degrees, and then do an A/D on them. However, getting a good A/D converters that operates at least 2X the K3's IF frequency is going to be expensive, and you probably want to over sample at 3-4 times the IF frequency. Going to baseband allows you to do it all with a $50-%100 sound card, simple minded economics and engineering. And it turns out that sound cards can do a superior job. The real trick in making a good SDR is making sure you don't overload the A/D converter and while making sure you receiver has enough sensitivity to not be internally limited by noise. Good sound cards have 24 bit A/D converters that should allow over 100 db dynamic range and most have pretty good internal noise figures. So, if you are really careful about gain distribution in the analog portions of your radio, you can end up with quite a radio. Elecraft is a prime example of this in both the K3 and the KX3. Hopefully, I have given you enough to think about to figure out what you want to do. Of course, there are number of ways to go, Ask a room full of engineers for an answer and I'd be shocked if you didn't get a room full of answers. The reason is that there are lots of compromises and which ones you make are how you view things. Very best of luck in where you want to go. 73, Barry K3NDM On 2/16/2015 12:49 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Thanks Barry, that explanation helps alot. So I'm assuming that the > IF output of the K3 is a very traditional IF as in other radios, ie > it's not Quadrature, etc. Would that be correct? > > If so, another approach would be to feed into an A/D, and then do the > rest in software, ie gnuradio. I wouldn't be surprised to find out > that gnuradio already supports similar configurations, including down > converting (for certain), splitting and creating the quadrature output > (unknown). Sounds like a fun project. Wish I had time to pursue it!! > ;) > > If I'm reading the block diagram correctly, it looks like an 8.125 MHz IF. > > -Chris > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >> Chris, >> If you are going after the K3 IF output, it is a single audio signal at >> the IF frequency. You will need to downconvert it to baseband and split it >> into two streams, one of which will need to be shifted by 90 degrees. It is >> these signals that go to a good sound card for playing. It will be the only >> way it will work. The P3 does everything it needs for spectrum display. The >> KX3 already gives baseband audio streams that are separated by 90 degrees >> meaning all you need to do is feed the streams to your sound card and >> operate on it with software. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> On 2/16/2015 9:34 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >>> I'm quite interested in experimenting in this area. I've been playing >>> around with SDR via gnuradio with a cheap TV tuner dongle. Can >>> someone please explain the characteristics of the signal coming from >>> the IF Out port on the K3? Is it basically in the audio domain? Is it >>> this connector that would plug into the P3? I'd like to experiment >>> with viewing the signal spectrum using something similar to gnuradio. >>> >>> Brian, how did you connect your KX3 to the iPad? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Brian Waterworth >>> wrote: >>>> Yes you can. >>>> >>>> I used to do this with an iPad (a tablet computer) running iSDR and a >>>> piglet connected into the ACC1 jack. I used Hamlog to control the KX3 >>>> and >>>> iSDR to view the RX I/O. I decided to buy the PX3 (i.e., a specialized >>>> computer) instead, though, as its power consumption seems better than the >>>> iPad. Plus, flip flopping back and forth between iSDR and Hamlog wasn't >>>> helping me be productive. You can never have too many screens :-) >>>> >>>> Now I use the PX3 as my panadapter instead of iSDR and can still use >>>> another computer to control the KX3 (PX3 has a pass through ACC1 jack). >>>> >>>> On the horizon...I am excited about the Raspberry Pi 2 (on back order) as >>>> this platform can support a number of Ham oriented programs I like to use >>>> (FLDigi, WSJT-X). Current draw for field work is about an amp-hour and I >>>> can use my iPad to VNC into the R-Pi. For field day or more coordinated >>>> events, I would just bring a monitor and connect that to the R-PI. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> Brian >>>> VE3IBW >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Suite, Wayne >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can I use this output to a separate computer as a 2nd receiver while >>>>> using >>>>> another computer to run HRD etc? >>>>> >>>>> KD5SPX >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Feb 16 17:16:14 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm curious. Why? 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > Any one know of a way to do it? I would like to be able to share the > serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after reading > the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might come > along later, but those are the big two for now. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From djcarohmer at ntin.net Mon Feb 16 17:24:10 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:24:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] test wv5i Message-ID: <54E26E0A.2030203@ntin.net> test wv5i From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Feb 16 17:34:05 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:34:05 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Message-ID: <201502162234.t1GMY5M4005606@huffman.acsalaska.net> I think this might have been touched upon, but I wonder if a sw app might be possible that would update the K3 clock from your computer (say once per day)? Of course one can manually accomplish that using the K3 utility. For those of us whose K3 mainly stay in the shack and can be connected to a computer full-time that would be a nice feature that would probably solve this "time issue" with the clock. Maybe that feature could be added to a future version of the K3 editor? Of course time accuracy would be that of your computer (which there are many utilities which will maintain NIST accuracy - I use Dimension-4). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 17:38:23 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:38:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> References: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <54E2715F.9010202@aol.com> I attended Contest University at Dayton last year and the RTTY expert suggested he found that too narrow a filter compromised the decoding. It seemed to work best when the filter was a little wider. He suggested 500Hz and 250Hz only in the presence of strong QRM. He did NOT like the dual-tone filtering in the K3 or Icom's twin-peak filter. It is on slide 3 of the Advanced RTTY Contesting presentation available in the Files section on the Contest University website. Buck k4ia K3# 101 KX3 #715 On 2/16/2015 12:47 PM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote: > > > > David Moes > VE3DVY > > Since I find that the 8 pole 250 Hz filter is really a bit wider I > tell my K3 in filter setups its 300hz It works fine for me this way > including on RTTY > > During the WPXRTTY this weekend I had good luck copying weak signals > right beside a power house signal using the 250hz filter. >> >> --- Original message --- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY >> From: Jim's Desktop >> To: >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 9:49 AM >> >> The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I >> borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on RTTY. >> It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If someone >> is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them (they >> used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out >> there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, >> especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter >> doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more >> noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. >> >> Jim - W0EB >>> >>> >>> On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to >>>> narrow. >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Feb 16 17:45:04 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 13:45:04 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ Message-ID: <201502162245.t1GMj4O3007243@huffman.acsalaska.net> K3 IF output is simply the 1st IF=8.215 MHz which is simple RF covering a wide bandwidth. Simple way to generate IQ baseband audio is with any of the inexpensive SDR's. I use the LP-Pan which was specifically designed for the K3 IF. the LP-Pan has a input bandwidth of about 400-KHz. I use either a emu-0202 which can support 192-KHz or a Delta44 which supports 90-KHz audio. Elecraft responded to customer desires and included IQ baseband output for the KX3, so one only needs a decent audio interface to a soundcard. You can make one yourself. Its on my lengthy "to-do" list. 73, Ed - KL7UW To: Barry LaZar Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Kx3 RxIQ Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Barry, that explanation helps alot. So I'm assuming that the IF output of the K3 is a very traditional IF as in other radios, ie it's not Quadrature, etc. Would that be correct? If so, another approach would be to feed into an A/D, and then do the rest in software, ie gnuradio. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that gnuradio already supports similar configurations, including down converting (for certain), splitting and creating the quadrature output (unknown). Sounds like a fun project. Wish I had time to pursue it!! ;) If I'm reading the block diagram correctly, it looks like an 8.125 MHz IF. -Chris 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From esteptony at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:52:02 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:52:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior wrote: > ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone > moves for a given direction of > audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two > speakers have the same "polarity" then they will both move forwards or > backwards at the same time... =========== I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, but nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). So at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed with the same audio, switching the so-called "polarity" of one would indeed change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. Tony KT0NY From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:53:01 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:53:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E274CD.7020609@embarqmail.com> I would like to expand on this post (below): RS-232 is a point to point protocol and the hardware requires normally one driver on each signal line and one receiver. In special circumstances, more than one receiver can be on any one signal line. BUT, never more than one driver. In other words, you cannot use a Y cable to connect a KX3 (or any other) to more than one regular COM port. SteppIR has been mentioned, but their controller only listens to the communications - there is a setting in the SteppIR controller which disconnects the drivers if you are using it that way. It is only under this special condition that a Y cable can be used. In this instance, the StepIR controller does not ever control the RS-232 signalling, it just listens to the traffic. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/16/2015 2:18 PM, Michael Walker wrote: > Sharing is a challenge, but not impossible. > > Consider if you require both applications to be able to control the unit. > If this is the case, then I would say no. > > If you only want one to monitor the frequency of the radio but not provide > input, then it is doable. > > The 'simple' way is to have a Y cable where one connection is the master > connection that has full control of the radio and the other just listens to > the radio communication. Steppir does this already as an example.' > > This Y cable would connect to the radio and would connect to 1 physical > serial report as the master. Then, with another single wire it would go to > another physical serial port in an RX only mode. > > The above is the safest so there are no port conflictions or control issues. > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 16 17:53:53 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:53:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: <54E2715F.9010202@aol.com> References: <54e22d43.150e.21543940.57306d98@nexicom.net> <54E2715F.9010202@aol.com> Message-ID: <54E27501.7090003@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/16/2015 2:38 PM, K4ia via Elecraft wrote: > I attended Contest University at Dayton last year and the RTTY expert > suggested he found that too narrow a filter compromised the decoding. > It seemed to work best when the filter was a little wider. That same expert used to recommend narrower filter and dual-peak IF. I always thought that was a bad idea on the basis of the additional phase shift introduced by the narrower filter and the dual peaks, but no one believed that until G3YYD, author of the new and very nice RTTY decoder, said so. :) I have the 250 Hz 8-pole and 400 Hz 8-pole filters. I switch in the 250 Hz filter at 350 Hz and the 400 Hz filter at 500 Hz. Most of the time, I set the IF to 400 Hz for RTTY and 250 Hz for CW. The only times I'll go narrower for RTTY is with very strong QRM very close to my frequency. 73, Jim K9YC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 18:02:39 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Hiroki Kato via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:02:39 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to remote-control K3 Message-ID: Has anyone tried to remote control K3 with KX3, just as you can with K3/0 mini? Hiroki AH6CY Sent from my iPhone From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Feb 16 18:12:08 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:12:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: <54E27948.8010707@voodoolab.com> That disregards the spacial separation between the speakers. True if the listener is equidistant from the speakers and only has one ear! 73, Josh W6XU On 2/16/2015 2:52 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same > time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker > goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be > out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 18:31:27 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Greg S via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:31:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Clock chip Message-ID: <1424129487.87974.YahooMailBasic@web163602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I like the clock in my KX3 (Rig is new to me, and I am new to the list, by the way). Plenty good enough for the purpose I use it for. I like the relaxation of NOT paying such close attention to the time when I operate. I am constantly pushed to make "better use of my time" while at work. Rightly so, but I enjoy the release that Ham Radio gives me from that pressure. I will leave you with this tidbit: "A man with one clock knows what time it is. A man with two clocks is never sure." Greg Schippers, KC8HXO From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 16 18:34:20 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:34:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... Message-ID: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> I don't know who started this thread, but let me say definitively that we would never remove Diversity mode. The K3 has one of the best diversity implementations in any transceiver, and many operators use it all the time. That is why we wanted to make it easier to use by assigning it as the regular-hold function of the SUB switch. Wayne N6KR From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 18:37:34 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] test wv5i In-Reply-To: <54E26E0A.2030203@ntin.net> References: <54E26E0A.2030203@ntin.net> Message-ID: <04c701d04a41$8a99a880$9fccf980$@gmail.com> Congratulations, Dwayne! You passed! Hope a positive response helps! 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Rohmer Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] test wv5i test wv5i ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 18:41:56 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:41:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Great news .... Thank you for the reassurance. (Even if I only use the second RX for watching 6M for band openings with a dedicated 6M antenna.) 73 Ken - K0PP On Feb 16, 2015 4:34 PM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: > I don't know who started this thread, but let me say definitively that we > would never remove Diversity mode. The K3 has one of the best diversity > implementations in any transceiver, and many operators use it all the time. > That is why we wanted to make it easier to use by assigning it as the > regular-hold function of the SUB switch. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Feb 16 18:42:00 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:42:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <54E22BA5.3090807@necg.de> References: <54DFF0B6.3080901@horizon.co.fk> <54E0B1AF.2080004@xs4all.nl> <54E0B355.9000402@nc.rr.com> <87h9unvtqk.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <50F6FA8C-2348-4181-873E-22C44FE42118@gmail.com> <54E22BA5.3090807@necg.de> Message-ID: <6C963F8F-98AA-4F1E-A91C-9C42C22B1333@elecraft.com> Good eye, Olli. It would actually go off to the side of the switch in this case. Wayne N6KR On Feb 16, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > > Note that the SUB switch doesn't even have a labeled hold function > > on the panel. You can chalk this up to our indecisiveness on what, > > exactly, it would be. But in a future run of K3 front panels it is likely > > to become "DIV" (diversity), eliminating the ambiguity. > > And I thought there's no hold function label beneath the SUB button because there is no space for it. ;-) > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 19:54:53 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I think he was talking about removing the feature that locks both VFOs together rather than diversity. ?The writer said that he did not think it was good to lock both VFOs together, but I think is is required for proper diversity operation to have both locked. ?I have not used diversity much because I do not have a good receive antenna for 160, but I would not want the VFO tracking feature to go away and I do not see how one could use diversity well without tracking VFOs. ?I have a big fear that someday you will listen to one of these suggestions, but so far you have not. ?Good work!?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:34 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... I don't know who started this thread, but let me say definitively that we would never remove Diversity mode. The K3 has one of the best diversity implementations in any transceiver, and many operators use it all the time. That is why we wanted to make it easier to use by assigning it as the regular-hold function of the SUB switch. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 20:10:01 2015 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:10:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Message-ID: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. This may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include while updating firmware. This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's the best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my favorite software and everything works great." I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like this. A response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at least, it assumes far too much. I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by the original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that requires a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about whether a computer can be part of the solution. Al W6LX From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 16 20:13:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:13:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> Willis, When in Diversity mode, the VFO that is controlling the frequency is VFO A only. There is no need to lock the VFOs in diversity - they are already 'locked' because only one VFO (and synthesizer) is being used. That assures that both the main and sub RX have the same frequency and phase relationship. I think this is the factor that has confused many. The locking (linking) of the VFOs have nothing to do with diversity mode. LINK is an altogether different "animal". 73, Don W3FPR On 2/16/2015 7:54 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: > I think he was talking about removing the feature that locks both VFOs together rather than diversity. The writer said that he did not think it was good to lock both VFOs together, but I think is is required for proper diversity operation to have both locked. From ormandj at corenode.com Mon Feb 16 20:18:19 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:18:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 kHz) Nulling In-Reply-To: References: <7C0F792F-FA0D-4335-944D-94C330E245CA@gmail.com> <4A11AD79-AB53-4526-940F-1B39E2C535A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've figured it out. Two part solution: 1) You don't hear any signal once you've tuned 16kHz off, the manual seems to indicate you should. You won't. I think this might be a carry-over from the first RX shift 8 section. You hear the tune once you engage the -1.1 RIT. 2) When using the PX3 as the signal source, the signal for 160m and 80m when trying to run the 16kHz procedure has the proper settings lost in noise. That's why APF was failing on them. I manually tuned ignoring APF and was able to null properly. This explains the notes re: specific frequencies to try, which probably would have avoided the issue I ran into on these two bands. Thank you everyone, David On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > Ok, I reviewed the procedure -- it's been a long time since I did it. > > I think there is an error in the procedure. What you should do is tune the > KX3 to the *same* frequency as your signal source. You should be in CW > normal mode, RIT off, and you should verify that the signal source is > giving a strong signal S9 to S9+30dB. If it is not in this range, you > should set the preamp/attenuator settings to bring it in range. > > *Now* you tune the KX3 VFO up 16 kHz, and set the RIT to -1.1. The signal > you now hear should be the image, which you should try to null out. > > Sorry for the confusion before, I should have reviewed the procedure > before commenting. > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > > On 17 Feb 2015, at 7:14 am, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > > Hook up the RX I/Q output to a pan adapter program on your PC (enable the > output first, use a stereo input on your PC) and you'll be able to see the > amount of shift between your signal source and the KX3's LO, and you should > also be able to see the image. This graphical representation will help you > to see what is going on at a glance. > > 73, Matt VK2RQ > > On 17 Feb 2015, at 12:11 am, David Orman wrote: > > RX Shift is definitely set to 8.0, on every band. I had to do that for the > previous step, which went successfully. > > Thank you, > David > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:36 AM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > >> I'd say you have RX SHFT set to "nor" instead of "8.0". If you set your >> sidetone to 550Hz, and 8kHz shift is not enabled, then you'll pick up the >> image 2 * 550 Hz = 1.1 kHz away, which is what you are reporting. >> >> Remember that RX SHFT is a "per-band" setting, so you need to enable it >> separately for each band. >> >> 73, >> Matt VK2RQ >> >> > On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:17 pm, David Orman wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I've been performing all of the "All-Band Receive Opposite Sideband and >> > I.F. Image Nulling" steps without issue using my PX3 (and AA-54) as a >> > signal generator. I'm at the last section, "RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. Image (16 >> kHz) >> > Nulling", and am having trouble. Following the directions, and setting >> my >> > KX3 16KHz up from the signal source: >> > >> > 7. Optimize RX SHFT=8.0 I.F. image gain and phase settings as follows: >> a. >> > Set both the signal source and KX3 to the target band (starting with 160 >> > m). Recall that the VFO should be set 16 kHz higher than the signal >> source. >> > Make sure you?re in CW mode. (Note: You can change bands and modes from >> > within the RXSBNUL menu entry.) You should hear a strong signal, and >> see an >> > Smeter reading of between S9 and S9+30 dB. If not, adjust the preamp >> > setting or the RF source level. >> > >> > This step, I do _not_ hear a strong signal, I hear no signal at all. If >> I >> > turn on RIT to -1.1, I hear a strong signal (looking at the next step.) >> > >> > What am I doing wrong/missing? >> > >> > Thank you, >> > David >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com >> > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 16 20:34:55 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:34:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E29ABF.2040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. Interesting observation. Because contesters have been such a large part of the K3 customer base, our needs and habits tend to be considered "the norm." While it's certainly true that many (most?) casual operators don't use computer control, I'd also bet that those casual ops are not a majority of the K3 user base. After a long period (15+ years) of inactivity, I got back on the air in 2003. That happened on Field Day at a club I visited, and they used Writelog with a serial port to their radios. The last time I'd contested was 20 years before, with paper logs and dupe sheets. :) A few weeks later, I was back on the air at home. I logged on paper for a week or two, but I soon learned about DXKeeper, and an older Thinkpad that I'd replaced in my small business found a permanent home in the shack. I also bought WriteLog, and needed the computer connection. At least one computer has been in my shack ever since. Eventually I started using Commander, the control software that goes with DXKeeper to read the rig frequency and mode and put it in the log. Then, when LOTW and eQSL came along, it became very easy to upload my entire post-2003 logs. Most hams who are not contesters have computers hooked up to their rigs when they want to operate digital modes, but they may or may not use a serial port for rig control. DXers often use CW Skimmer, which needs rig control. 73, Jim K9YC From dmb at lightstream.net Mon Feb 16 21:17:36 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:17:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> Message-ID: <50966.71.74.118.201.1424139456.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> It seems that the term "Polarity" could be applicable to a single device, such as a loudspeaker, without reference to any other device. Connect the plus terminal of a 1.5v battery to the (+) terminal of a loudspeaker, and presumably the cone will move outward. Reversing the polarity of either the battery or the loudspeaker (but not both), will cause the cone will move in the opposite direction. But the "Phase" of a single device/measurement is kind of a meaningless concept without reference to another device/measurement. So perhaps the proper terminology is dependent upon context. At least that distinction works for my simple mind. 73, Dale WA8SRA > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior > wrote: > >> ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone >> moves for a given direction of >> audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two >> speakers have the same "polarity" then they will both move forwards or >> backwards at the same time... > > =========== > I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, but > nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same > time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker > goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to be > out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). So > at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed > with the same audio, switching the so-called "polarity" of one would > indeed > change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. > > Tony KT0NY From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 20:51:15 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:51:15 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E29ABF.2040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E29ABF.2040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Well i guess those of us who do not contest have to live with what contesters have on their wish list. But i do wonder where all those k3's live who are not vocal on the reflector. Don't they at least deserve to be considered prior to changes in the way we operate daily? I think we do. I think Elecraft have lost their way somewhat. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 17/02/2015 11:35 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode >> without computer, even while at home. >> > > Interesting observation. Because contesters have been such a large part > of the K3 customer base, our needs and habits tend to be considered "the > norm." While it's certainly true that many (most?) casual operators don't > use computer control, I'd also bet that those casual ops are not a majority > of the K3 user base. > > After a long period (15+ years) of inactivity, I got back on the air in > 2003. That happened on Field Day at a club I visited, and they used > Writelog with a serial port to their radios. The last time I'd contested > was 20 years before, with paper logs and dupe sheets. :) > > A few weeks later, I was back on the air at home. I logged on paper for a > week or two, but I soon learned about DXKeeper, and an older Thinkpad that > I'd replaced in my small business found a permanent home in the shack. I > also bought WriteLog, and needed the computer connection. > > At least one computer has been in my shack ever since. Eventually I > started using Commander, the control software that goes with DXKeeper to > read the rig frequency and mode and put it in the log. Then, when LOTW and > eQSL came along, it became very easy to upload my entire post-2003 logs. > > Most hams who are not contesters have computers hooked up to their rigs > when they want to operate digital modes, but they may or may not use a > serial port for rig control. DXers often use CW Skimmer, which needs rig > control. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 16 21:34:10 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Guernsey via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1742746497.4072792.1424140450770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I am not a contester, but do have a computer hook up to my K3 for logging my contacts with less typing since MacLoggerDX takes the freq and mode and upper/lower sideband from the rig. I could use the computer for rig control, but I like to spin the knob so usually don't use rig control.?73 de Dave KJ6CBS From: Gary Gregory To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: Elecraft List Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Well i guess those of us who do not contest have to live with what contesters have on their wish list. But i do wonder where all those k3's live who are not vocal on the reflector. Don't they at least deserve to be considered prior to changes in the way we operate daily? I think we do. I think Elecraft have lost their way somewhat. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 17/02/2015 11:35 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > On Mon,2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode >> without computer, even while at home. >> > > Interesting observation.? Because contesters have been such a large part > of the K3 customer base, our needs and habits tend to be considered "the > norm." While it's certainly true that many (most?) casual operators don't > use computer control, I'd also bet that those casual ops are not a majority > of the K3 user base. > > After a long period (15+ years) of inactivity, I got back on the air in > 2003. That happened on Field Day at a club I visited, and they used > Writelog with a serial port to their radios.? The last time I'd contested > was 20 years before, with paper logs and dupe sheets. :) > > A few weeks later, I was back on the air at home.? I logged on paper for a > week or two, but I soon learned about DXKeeper, and an older Thinkpad that > I'd replaced in my small business found a permanent home in the shack. I > also bought WriteLog, and needed the computer connection. > > At least one computer has been in my shack ever since.? Eventually I > started using Commander, the control software that goes with DXKeeper to > read the rig frequency and mode and put it in the log. Then, when LOTW and > eQSL came along, it became very easy to upload my entire post-2003 logs. > > Most hams who are not contesters have computers hooked up to their rigs > when they want to operate digital modes, but they may or may not use a > serial port for rig control. DXers often use CW Skimmer, which needs rig > control. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mooo1941 at yahoo.com From kevinr at coho.net Mon Feb 16 21:43:59 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:43:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <1742746497.4072792.1424140450770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1742746497.4072792.1424140450770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E2AAEF.2020506@coho.net> I actively keep a computer out of my shack for one reason: it would be too much like WORK! (Use your Maynard G. Krebs voice here) I am in front of a computer all my working day I don't intend to let work invade my hobby. I drag a laptop into the shack to upgrade my K3's firmware every few years. I also use it to log my FD contacts. Other than that the computer is not allowed in the shack. I purchased my K3 because it sounded like a good idea after using my K2 for so many years. I could blame Lisa for my purchase but she is far too nice to be used as an excuse :) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS On 2/16/2015 6:34 PM, David Guernsey via Elecraft wrote: > I am not a contester, but do have a computer hook up to my K3 for logging my contacts with less typing since MacLoggerDX takes the freq and mode and upper/lower sideband from the rig. I could use the computer for rig control, but I like to spin the knob so usually don't use rig control. 73 de Dave KJ6CBS > From: Gary Gregory > To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > Cc: Elecraft List > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions > > Well i guess those of us who do not contest have to live with what > contesters have on their wish list. > But i do wonder where all those k3's live who are not vocal on the > reflector. > Don't they at least deserve to be considered prior to changes in the way we > operate daily? > I think we do. > I think Elecraft have lost their way somewhat. > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 17/02/2015 11:35 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: > >> On Mon,2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> >>> Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode >>> without computer, even while at home. >>> >> Interesting observation. Because contesters have been such a large part >> of the K3 customer base, our needs and habits tend to be considered "the >> norm." While it's certainly true that many (most?) casual operators don't >> use computer control, I'd also bet that those casual ops are not a majority >> of the K3 user base. >> >> After a long period (15+ years) of inactivity, I got back on the air in >> 2003. That happened on Field Day at a club I visited, and they used >> Writelog with a serial port to their radios. The last time I'd contested >> was 20 years before, with paper logs and dupe sheets. :) >> >> A few weeks later, I was back on the air at home. I logged on paper for a >> week or two, but I soon learned about DXKeeper, and an older Thinkpad that >> I'd replaced in my small business found a permanent home in the shack. I >> also bought WriteLog, and needed the computer connection. >> >> At least one computer has been in my shack ever since. Eventually I >> started using Commander, the control software that goes with DXKeeper to >> read the rig frequency and mode and put it in the log. Then, when LOTW and >> eQSL came along, it became very easy to upload my entire post-2003 logs. >> >> Most hams who are not contesters have computers hooked up to their rigs >> when they want to operate digital modes, but they may or may not use a >> serial port for rig control. DXers often use CW Skimmer, which needs rig >> control. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mooo1941 at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From ab7r at cablespeed.com Mon Feb 16 22:27:10 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r at cablespeed.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:27:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 watt meter for sale Message-ID: <54E2B50E.20006@cablespeed.com> Excellent condition with one standard sensor. $215 shipped CONUS. Tnx Greg AB7R From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Feb 16 22:27:57 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:27:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> I too like to use my radio, not the computer, for casual and other non-frantic QSO's. :-) Based on the number of posts/questions about HRD and other radio control software, I think that might be a valid if not universal assumption. I think it's safe to say all contesters do, although I ran the Locust QSO Party QRP with my K2, a #2, and a piece of paper recently. It's likely that virtually all RTTY/Digital ops use a computer too [so far, I can recognize my call and "TU" on RTTY by ear, if I've been doing it for the last 3 hours and in the same exchange]. Al, I agree with you that, with the proliferation of external devices and software, an awful lot of the discussions here apply to getting a Signalink or MicroHam thingy working rather than to Elecraft equipment. K1's, K2's, K3's, and KX3's behave as they were designed. If you're going to add extra external stuff, you will have to deal with the makers of the external stuff, it's not Elecraft's fault. This list is a good resource for that and, at some juncture, it may be good to take it "off-line" to resolution. I have my laptop interfaced to my K3/P3/KAT500/KPA500. I use that interface and N1MM/MMTTY in contests ... well most of them. I chase SOTA activators a lot using a homebrew logger that will create .csv files to upload to the SOTA database, but which does not control or read anything from the K3. I confess, I have a Pigknob, external device, it solves some orthopedic issues for me. I added OT to the subject because it is. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a > transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. > > That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams > operate their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while > at home. This may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this > rule include while updating firmware. > > This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's > the best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" > and someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my > favorite software and everything works great." > > I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like > this. A response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. > Or at least, it assumes far too much. > > I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by > the original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that > requires a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear > about whether a computer can be part of the solution. > > > Al W6LX From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Mon Feb 16 22:38:47 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KX1 Message-ID: <1225269464.3609530.1424144327026.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Elecrafters, If you have an unbuilt or surplus KX1 like to part with, please email me off-the-list stating your price and rig condition.? KX1 is very light weight and shipping cost is not huge. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Feb 16 22:56:34 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:56:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and Link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good to hear. But at the same time I am one of those - maybe a minority - who uses and values the link function. It?s a matter of operating style, I suppose. Any chance of preserving that in a configuration choice? Ted, KN1CBR > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:34:20 -0800 >From: Wayne Burdick >To: Elecraft Reflector >Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" >Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That > would *never* happen... >Message-ID: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B at elecraft.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I don't know who started this thread, but let me say definitively that we >would never remove Diversity mode. The K3 has one of the best diversity >implementations in any transceiver, and many operators use it all the >time. That is why we wanted to make it easier to use by assigning it as >the regular-hold function of the SUB switch. > >Wayne >N6KR From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Feb 16 23:17:28 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:17:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Some of us like CW, and use a set of paddles, or a straight key. Some like SSB, and wouldn't have a radio without a microphone plugged in. .... and others love modes like PSK-31 or JT65. For those of us who run digital modes, there is always a computer. On 2/16/2015 7:27 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I too like to use my radio, not the computer, for casual and other > non-frantic QSO's. :-) From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Feb 16 23:21:27 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:21:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> P.S. the typical laptop is a lot more pleasant than a 28KSR. Now if I could just find a computer with green keys. On 2/16/2015 8:17 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Some of us like CW, and use a set of paddles, or a straight key. > > Some like SSB, and wouldn't have a radio without a microphone plugged in. > > .... and others love modes like PSK-31 or JT65. > > For those of us who run digital modes, there is always a computer. > > On 2/16/2015 7:27 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I too like to use my radio, not the computer, for casual and other >> non-frantic QSO's. :-) > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Feb 16 23:38:07 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:38:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Message-ID: While I enter several contestes a year, I try to do my share of DX and rag chewing. I usually have a computer hooked to my rigs. SInce I try to upload every HF contact to LotW -- I even log net control for the Elecraft SSB net and anyone I relayed for I need my QSOs in machine readable form. Entering them into RUMlog when I make them saves a lot of the kind of clerical work I am bad at and don't like to do, as well as avoiding the transcription errors I make all too frequently. Unless I'm running digital modes, all radio operation is through the knobs and buttons. I think RUMped does some rig control, but I only run it during contests, and don't really notice what it is doing -- the best kind of assistant. I even went to the extent of building a low power, BeagleBone Black based computer system for field day/SOTA like uses. I haven't spent much time using it, but building it and its case was fun. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/17/15 at 6:34 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (David Guernsey via Elecraft) wrote: >I am not a contester, but do have a computer hook up to my K3 >for logging my contacts with less typing since MacLoggerDX >takes the freq and mode and upper/lower sideband from the rig. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From n6ll at pacbell.net Tue Feb 17 00:00:08 2015 From: n6ll at pacbell.net (Paul Gordon N6LL) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:00:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] way OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <54E2CAD8.6080501@pacbell.net> I ran a ham radio booth at a high school robotics competition last weekend. A 28KSR would have gotten a lot more attention than the computer did. - Paul N6LL On 2/16/2015 8:21 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > P.S. the typical laptop is a lot more pleasant than a 28KSR. > > Now if I could just find a computer with green keys. > > On 2/16/2015 8:17 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> Some of us like CW, and use a set of paddles, or a straight key. >> >> Some like SSB, and wouldn't have a radio without a microphone plugged >> in. >> >> .... and others love modes like PSK-31 or JT65. >> >> For those of us who run digital modes, there is always a computer. >> >> On 2/16/2015 7:27 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> I too like to use my radio, not the computer, for casual and other >>> non-frantic QSO's. :-) >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6ll at arrl.net > From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 00:26:17 2015 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 22:26:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1424150777560-7598672.post@n2.nabble.com> The fun thing about ham radio is all of the different activities you can participate in. For me chasing DX has always been my main focus. I also work the occasional contest and in both of these activities the modern computer assisted operating station (Elecraft K-line, SDR-IQ, Dell I7 computer) is the way I choose to go. It is a challenge to integrate the software/firmware/hardware, and after retiring from 45 years working (Bank of America Computer Systems) and teaching (local Community Collage) computer technology, it keeps my very old brain working hard. (These daze I can't remember if I brushed my teeth this morning.) I am not big on digital, yet, but who knows when i will get a itch to expand that operating mode. On the other hand, for me at least, I don't get as much kick out of using this setup for ragchewing or participating in nets. That's where the operating position on the other side the shack comes in...Drake Paradise (well at least for me.) I pined after these Drake rigs when I could not afford them in the 70's and now they provide me with dials and meters and knobs, and opportunities to rebuild and upgrade them, pulling their cases off and soldering and wiring like I never really did before. And that makes me smile. The Drake Yahoo Group is just as accommodating as the Elecraft reflector, with wisdom and camaraderie. There is no computer on the Drake side of the shack, so operating and logging is totally old school, paper and pen. Of course the schematics and manuals are available on the Dell computer across the room, but a three-ring binder holds all the paper manuals and pertinent data for the rigs I have. I count myself as very lucky to be enjoying old and new ham radio in my retirement years. Modern radios will continue to improve and computers will continue to find their way into a modern shack. That is not stoppable. But any ham can draw his/her line anywhere when it comes to technology. Or if they are lucky enough they can have both ham worlds to operate in. PS. I don't even own a smart phone...I keep my flip phone on me in case I need to call 911 in a hurry! And it has a good enough camera to capture images of my dis-assembling a Drake rig so I can put it back together again. That's one of the lines I have drawn! 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Bad-Assumptions-tp7598656p7598672.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 00:27:01 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 00:27:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and Link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you think the link function is being removed altogether (it is not), or is the issue losing the use of HOLD on the SUB button for LINK? My interesting string of off-reflector emails about this mostly involves people using LINK in very complex ways, combined with other things. Oddly enough, if I understand them correctly, their use of LINK does not involve the use of the SUB button at all. I don't think any of them are hurt at all by the button change, apparently mostly annoyed that their usage of LINK is not recognized, that others seem to think that LINK has no use. I'm sure Wayne has figured that out. Given what I've gotten in email as a totally perimeter player on all this, Wayne must have been buried in email about it. I have learned a new term, "button board", a device to go next to the keyboard somewhere, where the stuff done by the buttons is complicated, and, it seems, quite specific to the individual ham. It's not that the cat does not get skinned, but that there are many ways to skin that cat, apparently ALL of them in use somewhere. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Good to hear. But at the same time I am one of those - maybe a minority - > who uses and values the link function. It?s a matter of operating style, > I suppose. Any chance of preserving that in a configuration choice? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 13 >>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 15:34:20 -0800 >>From: Wayne Burdick >>To: Elecraft Reflector >>Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" >>Subject: [Elecraft] Who said anything about removing diversity? That >> would *never* happen... >>Message-ID: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B at elecraft.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>I don't know who started this thread, but let me say definitively that we >>would never remove Diversity mode. The K3 has one of the best diversity >>implementations in any transceiver, and many operators use it all the >>time. That is why we wanted to make it easier to use by assigning it as >>the regular-hold function of the SUB switch. >> >>Wayne >>N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From rlindzen at mit.edu Tue Feb 17 00:45:03 2015 From: rlindzen at mit.edu (Dick Lindzen) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 05:45:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Receiver equalizing Message-ID: There used to be a program that allowed for more convenient adjustment of audio equalization. Is this still available? Also, can equalization be done separately for the sub-receiver? Thanks and 73, Dick WO1I K3#911 From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 04:22:34 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:22:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Beta 5r10 and LINK In-Reply-To: <50966.71.74.118.201.1424139456.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <1264172741.4223636.1424094169541.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E21446.26103.322CB0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <54E244B5.6060001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E24950.1090302@thelortons.co.uk> <50966.71.74.118.201.1424139456.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: Very well put Dale, exactly as I see it too. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 02:17, dmb at lightstream.net wrote: > It seems that the term "Polarity" could be applicable to a single device, > such as a loudspeaker, without reference to any other device. Connect the > plus terminal of a 1.5v battery to the (+) terminal of a loudspeaker, and > presumably the cone will move outward. Reversing the polarity of either > the battery or the loudspeaker (but not both), will cause the cone will > move in the opposite direction. > > But the "Phase" of a single device/measurement is kind of a meaningless > concept without reference to another device/measurement. > > So perhaps the proper terminology is dependent upon context. At least that > distinction works for my simple mind. > > 73, Dale > WA8SRA > > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Stephen Prior > > wrote: > > > >> ... polarity is to do with the direction in which the loudspeaker cone > >> moves for a given direction of > >> audio frequency current (Fleming's left hand rule etc.). So if two > >> speakers have the same "polarity" then they will both move forwards or > >> backwards at the same time... > > > > =========== > > I realize this discussion is kinda pointless and not worth prolonging, > but > > nonetheless... it seems that if both speakers go in and out at the same > > time, the resulting sound waves would be in phase; whereas if one speaker > > goes out when the other goes in, the sound waves would be considered to > be > > out of phase (i.e. the compressions and the rarefactions would cancel). > So > > at least in the case of a pair of speakers sitting side-by-side and fed > > with the same audio, switching the so-called "polarity" of one would > > indeed > > change its phase relative to the other by 180 deg. > > > > Tony KT0NY > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Tue Feb 17 07:34:42 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 06:34:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E29ABF.2040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E29ABF.2040605@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <006501d04aae$1ba00060$52e00120$@com> I consider myself a very casual operator by any means either contesting or DX'ing and use at the very least 3 computers for the shack only and at times 4-5 computers. I have became very dependent on them over the years and even use them in the field portable. When working some modes they are a must have to do so on UHF/VHF/HF all. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:35 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions On Mon,2/16/2015 5:10 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. Interesting observation. Because contesters have been such a large part of the K3 customer base, our needs and habits tend to be considered "the norm." While it's certainly true that many (most?) casual operators don't use computer control, I'd also bet that those casual ops are not a majority of the K3 user base. After a long period (15+ years) of inactivity, I got back on the air in 2003. That happened on Field Day at a club I visited, and they used Writelog with a serial port to their radios. The last time I'd contested was 20 years before, with paper logs and dupe sheets. :) A few weeks later, I was back on the air at home. I logged on paper for a week or two, but I soon learned about DXKeeper, and an older Thinkpad that I'd replaced in my small business found a permanent home in the shack. I also bought WriteLog, and needed the computer connection. At least one computer has been in my shack ever since. Eventually I started using Commander, the control software that goes with DXKeeper to read the rig frequency and mode and put it in the log. Then, when LOTW and eQSL came along, it became very easy to upload my entire post-2003 logs. Most hams who are not contesters have computers hooked up to their rigs when they want to operate digital modes, but they may or may not use a serial port for rig control. DXers often use CW Skimmer, which needs rig control. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From n5ge at n5ge.com Tue Feb 17 08:11:14 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:11:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Will Not Start When Pushing the On Button Message-ID: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> This is a 240V Amp. When pushing the on button on my KPA500 the power will not come on. It worked very well until I moved it to another place on the OP Table. and connected it to K3 #1055 after having #1055 brought up to the latest version at Elecraft. I have checked the fuses and verified that the power cord is supplying the proper voltage to the amp internally and externally . What is the most likely cause of failure to get power to the amp? Which components should be checked next? Thanks in advance, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE I have been up to see the Congress and they do not seem to be able to do anything except to eat peanuts and chew tobacco, while my army is starving. Robert E. Lee From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 08:53:16 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Will Not Start When Pushing the On Button In-Reply-To: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> References: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <54E347CC.5030303@embarqmail.com> Tom, Open the top cover and check the interlock actuator. If that was loose it may have become dislodged when you moved the amp. See the KPA500 assembly manual page 42. "Look for the easy things first." 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 8:11 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote: > This is a 240V Amp. > > When pushing the on button on my KPA500 the power will not come on. > > It worked very well until I moved it to another place on the OP Table. > and connected it to K3 #1055 after having #1055 brought up to the > latest version at Elecraft. > > I have checked the fuses and verified that the power cord is supplying > the proper voltage to the amp internally and externally . > > What is the most likely cause of failure to get power to the amp? > > From dmoes at nexicom.net Tue Feb 17 09:05:18 2015 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:05:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Message-ID: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected users than one would think. Some time ago I asked around the club who had computer hookup and who did not. I then did a presentation on logging software using Logger32. and later with N1MM this was a few years ago. My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT control. those that had older rigs didn't, Id say less than a half with newer rigs were connected. Some using the yeasu DMU (if that counts as a computer) even some that did digital only had just the audio connections no RS232. myself included before I had the K3. For the Contesters the ratio was higher probably half Most of our contesters are casual but even a few of the more intense contesters still have no RS232 or equivalent connected. they manually entered the band into their software. Almost all of these members have computers in the shack. I think in some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they don't want it now. others have said "the radio has knobs to control it why bother with a computer" some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person and don't understand that stuff" I think there are some misconceptions out there one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you have to control it that way. I blame HRD for this as it sure makes it look that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its complicated and difficult. Many don't really understand the potential of using some level of computer connection. In my case its very little mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc and using the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and automatically tune to a new or interesting spot. Today I think the ratio of those that have a connected computer is going up. I often offer assistance in this. There are only two of us that have K3s in the club. I've had mine for several years and the other member has only had his for a month or so. ( Hi Ken.) both of us have computer connections. I would assume however and yes this is an assumption that since the K3 is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more than just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232 connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members that own a broad range of radio types. Personally I couldn't wait to get a rig that could be hooked up the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which cant be connected. For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have the serial connection, give it a try. It offers allot of conveniences that you might not recognize until you use it. If you are logging with just about any half decent logging software it probably will connect just fine, even if just for information gathering. If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer you can add either a USB to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter, these all can be had for less than $30 and much-much less if you buy online. David Moes VE3DVY > --- Original message --- > Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions > From: Al Lorona > To: Elecraft Reflector > Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 8:10 PM > > There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a > transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. > > That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams > operate their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while > at home. This may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this > rule include while updating firmware. > > This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's > the best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" > and someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my > favorite software and everything works great." > > I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like > this. A response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or > at least, it assumes far too much. > > I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by > the original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that > requires a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear > about whether a computer can be part of the solution. > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From wes at triconet.org Tue Feb 17 09:14:29 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:14:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Will Not Start When Pushing the On Button In-Reply-To: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> References: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <54E34CC5.40709@triconet.org> Cycle the power switch on the back of the amp. On 2/17/2015 6:11 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote: > This is a 240V Amp. > > When pushing the on button on my KPA500 the power will not come on. > > It worked very well until I moved it to another place on the OP Table. > and connected it to K3 #1055 after having #1055 brought up to the > latest version at Elecraft. > > I have checked the fuses and verified that the power cord is supplying > the proper voltage to the amp internally and externally . > > What is the most likely cause of failure to get power to the amp? > > Which components should be checked next? > > Thanks in advance, > > Amateur Radio Operator > N5GE > > From dmoes at nexicom.net Tue Feb 17 09:20:28 2015 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:20:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY Message-ID: <54e34e2c.150e.13b22940.c4ccdb5@nexicom.net> I left it there because I am using a pan adapter to find stations. so I don't need to see anything wider on MMTTY display. but before I had it I would toggle between wide and narrow filter width as needed by pressing [hold] the width control knob David Moes VE3DVY > --- Original message --- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY > From: Ted Edwards W3TB > To: > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 2:01 PM > > > > I also like the 400 Hz filter, but when tuning around like in this > weekend's CQ WPX RTTY then I went much wider. > > With that width came lots of noise. What is a good idea on that? > > And thanks ahead of time. > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:47 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >> >> David Moes >> VE3DVY >> >> Since I find that the 8 pole 250 Hz filter is really a bit wider I >> tell my K3 in filter setups its 300hz It works fine for me this way >> including on RTTY >> >> During the WPXRTTY this weekend I had good luck copying weak signals >> right beside a power house signal using the 250hz filter. >> >>> >>> >>> --- Original message --- >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY >>> From: Jim's Desktop >>> To: >>> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 9:49 AM >>> >>> The narrowest filter I have in both receivers is the 400 Hz one. I >>> borrowed a K3 that had a 250 Hz filter in it once and tried it on >>> RTTY. >>> It works, but it's right on the margin of being too narrow. If >>> someone >>> is using one of the older Packet TNC's that have RTTY mode in them >>> (they >>> used 200 Hz shift instead of 170 and there are still a lot of them out >>> there) it's really hard to get them tuned in with a 250 Hz filter, >>> especially in weak signal/selective QSB situations. The 400 Hz filter >>> doesn't seem to have that limitation though it does let slightly more >>> noise in (easily handled with the DSP filters anyway. >>> >>> Jim - W0EB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2015 11:35 PM, David Cole wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I ordered and use the 400 for RTTY, I suspect the 250 is a bit to >>>>> narrow. >>>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3tb.ted at gmail.com > > > > -- > > > > 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW > > and thinking about operating CW: > "Do today what others won't, > so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From challinan at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 09:27:10 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:27:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] way OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2CAD8.6080501@pacbell.net> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2CAD8.6080501@pacbell.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Paul Gordon N6LL wrote: > I ran a ham radio booth at a high school robotics competition last weekend. > A 28KSR would have gotten a lot more attention than the computer did. > - Paul N6LL Ah, I miss my 33ASR! Can't even recall when or why I sold it. I bought it brand new still on the pallet 3-ish decades ago :( -Chris K1AY -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 09:39:06 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:39:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> References: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> Message-ID: I'm going to chime in on this one. As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has only been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging software. RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it. The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my license was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer. All of my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct information... 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected users > than one would think. Some time ago I asked around the club who had > computer hookup and who did not. I then did a presentation on logging > software using Logger32. and later with N1MM this was a few years ago. > > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT > control. those that had older rigs didn't, Id say less than a half with > newer rigs were connected. Some using the yeasu DMU (if that counts as a > computer) even some that did digital only had just the audio > connections no RS232. myself included before I had the K3. > > For the Contesters the ratio was higher probably half Most of our > contesters are casual but even a few of the more intense contesters still > have no RS232 or equivalent connected. they manually entered the band > into their software. > > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack. I think in > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they don't > want it now. others have said "the radio has knobs to control it why > bother with a computer" some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person and > don't understand that stuff" I think there are some misconceptions > out there one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you have > to control it that way. I blame HRD for this as it sure makes it look > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its > complicated and difficult. Many don't really understand the potential of > using some level of computer connection. In my case its very little > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc and using > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot. Today I think the ratio > of those that have a connected computer is going up. I often offer > assistance in this. > > There are only two of us that have K3s in the club. I've had mine for > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or so. ( > Hi Ken.) both of us have computer connections. > > I would assume however and yes this is an assumption that since the K3 > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more than > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232 > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members that > own a broad range of radio types. Personally I couldn't wait to get a > rig that could be hooked up the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which cant > be connected. > > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have the > serial connection, give it a try. It offers allot of conveniences that > you might not recognize until you use it. If you are logging with just > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect just fine, > even if just for information gathering. > > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer you can add either a USB > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter, these > all can be had for less than $30 and much-much less if you buy online. > > > David Moes > VE3DVY > > > --- Original message --- >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions >> From: Al Lorona >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 8:10 PM >> >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. >> >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. This >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include while >> updating firmware. >> >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's the >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my favorite >> software and everything works great." >> >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like this. A >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at least, it >> assumes far too much. >> >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by the >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that requires >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about whether a >> computer can be part of the solution. >> >> >> Al W6LX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From jebastin at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 17 09:47:11 2015 From: jebastin at fastmail.fm (John Bastin) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: best roofing filter on RTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46DE67DF-F76A-454A-A284-299302A9918E@fastmail.fm> > On 15 Feb 2015, at 22:02, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > > Perhaps there is a receiver setting change I can make to the K3 that will > improve RTTY decoding when using the 250hz roofer? I've tried various > shift settings when the 250hz roofer is engaged and sometimes it improves RTTY > reception, but not consistantly. Perhaps there's a setting change I can > make to MMTTY? I'm using the MMTTY engine with WriteLog for contesting, and I find the 400Hz roofing filter, used together with the Dual Passband selection gives good RTTY reception along with good results dealing with QRM. Hope this helps. John K8AJS jebastin at fastmail.fm From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 17 09:54:46 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 06:54:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Had the opportunity to get my hands on a KX3!! ** Got the bug ** Message-ID: <1424184886.107976.228735233.7E14649B@webmail.messagingengine.com> Well I discovered a friend a few miles from me has a Kx3 and was willing to let me come over and check it out. Now I got the KX3 bug!! Concerted efforts now are in place to squirrel away the funds to buy one. ;-D N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From challinan at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 09:58:32 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors Message-ID: Hi list, I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? Thanks and 73, Chris K1AY -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 10:09:05 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E35991.5090208@embarqmail.com> Chris, This subject does come up from time to time, and the most common cause for weak APP connectors is due to improper assembly. Look in the end of your APP connectors. If you can see the tip of the spring that is supposed to lock the connection blades in place, you have not properly latched the connection blades in place. Push on the back of the connector blade until it latches over the end of the spring. It may take a goodly amount of force. Properly assembled APP connectors normally have sufficient pull-out resistance for all but the most unusual forces. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 9:58 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Hi list, > > I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I > have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, > and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in > and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole > connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. > > Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? > > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 10:15:27 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:15:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Are you confident the PP''s are correctly assembled? When you inserted them into the body did they "snap" or "click" into place? If so, it should be impossible to pull the wire/brass connector out of the plastic body. 73 Ken - K0PP On Feb 17, 2015 7:58 AM, "Chris Hallinan" wrote: > Hi list, > > I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I > have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, > and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in > and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole > connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. > > Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? > > Thanks and 73, > > Chris > K1AY > > -- > Life is like Linux - it never stands still. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 10:22:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bob Gibson via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] TUNING PULSER Message-ID: <1962186599.5289822.1424186520935.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?I have what I think is a problem with the K3 or me.. I use a tuning pulser to tune my amp.. I turn the power down to 10 watts output on the K3 key down. If I use the pulser now to adjust the amp the power will go up slowly to over 100 watts.. I have tried either plug on the back of the K3 but get the same results. What do I need to do to get this pulser to work right??? 73s Bob W5RG From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Tue Feb 17 10:22:33 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:22:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PowerPoles are not fragile, when correctly assembled/soldered. I think there is an issue, either with your assembly to the lead or possibly with the units mounted on the PCB in the K3 (it has been known to be in the K3). Although I crimp all mine (well worth getting the West Mountain Radio Deluxe crimp tool if your going to use a lot of APPs) I have to use a reasonable force to separate them. At least as much as you'd use to separate a molex (ignoring the clips of course). They will not separate by accident. The main issue with soldering is solder running out the 'pot' onto the blade and preventing a good wipe-fit when plugged together. You can take the contact out of the housing to check it, but it requires a bit of care. You need a very small screwdriver (watch-makers), insert it under the blade at the front and lift, so the blade comes clear of the spring steel that is under the blade. Then pull the lead from the back and it should come apart with minor force. See http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Public%20Service/TrainingModules/Technical/Anderson%20powerpole.pdf for instructions and good pics. There is a tool available to do this (see Quicksilver Radio - http://qsradio.com/Powerpole%20Insertion%20Tool.jpg). 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) I'm not associated with Quicksilver other than being a very satisfied customer. -- Always remember, half the people in the world are above average intelligence! > On 17 Feb 2015, at 14:58, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > Hi list, > > I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I > have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, > and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in > and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole > connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. > > Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? > > Thanks and 73, > > Chris > K1AY From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 10:32:35 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:32:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E35F13.40906@aol.com> You are about to ignite a firestorm with a debate about the merits of Powerpoles. IMHO, there are only two kinds of Powerpoles, those that have already fallen out and those that are going to fall out soon. Make double-plus certain you have the blades snapped into the shell properly. Then put tape around the junction. Cross your fingers. Buck k4ia K3# 101 KX3 #715 On 2/17/2015 9:58 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Hi list, > > I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I > have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, > and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in > and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole > connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. > > Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? > > Thanks and 73, > > Chris > K1AY > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Feb 17 10:33:34 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:33:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E35F4E.406@nycap.rr.com> A couple of cable ties will work wonders in making up for the short comings of Power Poles. Use them as strain relief. Bill W2BLC K-Line From K2TK at att.net Tue Feb 17 10:40:03 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] way OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2CAD8.6080501@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <54E360D3.2030304@att.net> I still have an operational Model 15. Receive only at this time though. Uses a Timewave 59Y in the Yaesu speaker box with all power supplies built in and opto isolators for keyboard and selector magnet interface. In many if not most cases even with visiting hams it generates more interest than the entire K-Line. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 2/17/2015 9:27 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Paul Gordon N6LL wrote: >> I ran a ham radio booth at a high school robotics competition last weekend. >> A 28KSR would have gotten a lot more attention than the computer did. >> - Paul N6LL > > Ah, I miss my 33ASR! Can't even recall when or why I sold it. I > bought it brand new still on the pallet 3-ish decades ago :( > > -Chris > K1AY > From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 10:57:37 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Message-ID: I note we don't see complaints about coaxial power connectors "pulling out". As for numbers, there are far more of these in use in our electronic environment, and they will pull out far easier that a set of APP's. I have ... by actual count ... almost 50 pairs of APP's in my shack. Once, to test the validity of the complaints, I deliberately slid my K3 on the Masonite desktop using the power cable. Have never had one "come apart". BTW, I -do- use the roll pins that hold the pairs together. 73! Ken - K0PP From aj4ay at comcast.net Tue Feb 17 10:58:04 2015 From: aj4ay at comcast.net (Jay Henson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:58:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1424135401.99482.YahooMailNeo@web181606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E2B53D.7050905@foothill.net> <54E2C0D8.4040403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <54E2C1C7.4030106@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <005501d04aca$83f93160$8beb9420$@net> And the smell of oil! Jay AJ4AY Mobile, AL > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 10:21 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Bad Assumptions > > P.S. the typical laptop is a lot more pleasant than a 28KSR. > > Now if I could just find a computer with green keys. > > On 2/16/2015 8:17 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > Some of us like CW, and use a set of paddles, or a straight key. > > > > Some like SSB, and wouldn't have a radio without a microphone plugged > in. > > > > .... and others love modes like PSK-31 or JT65. > > > > For those of us who run digital modes, there is always a computer. > > > > On 2/16/2015 7:27 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> I too like to use my radio, not the computer, for casual and other > >> non-frantic QSO's. :-) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aj4ay at comcast.net From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 11:14:59 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:14:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? Message-ID: I was moving my hand from the keyboard to the radio and brushed my fingernail against the yellow word tune before realizing that my finger was too low to get to the band switches. I managed to scratch the U out of the yellow word tune on the front of my case. Can I expect the rest of the yellow functions to just rub off the face of the case? So far this is my only disappointment in an otherwise excellent radio... 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 From hhoyt at mebtel.net Tue Feb 17 11:17:14 2015 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PowerPoles Message-ID: <54E3698A.4020701@mebtel.net> >>IMHO, there are only two kinds of Powerpoles, >>those that have already fallen out and those >>that are going to fall out soon. I have had the PowerPoles on my K3 become partially unmated and causing intermittent operation while messing around with the cables behind the rig. Retention force is only one problem with the Red/Black PowerPole pairs; their aspect ratio (~2:1) along with the flex in the housings gives a significant unmating force when rocked side to side. I encourage all to use the ultrasonic-welded housing pairs. This holds their alignment with out the roll-pin, and allows for the use of one of the locking devices sold to help the unmating issue: http://www.powerwerx.com/powerpole-accessories/powerpole-retention-clips.html Tying the clip back to one of the PowerPoles with heavy-gauge thread or dental floss as one reviewer suggests is also a great idea to keep from losing the device. Of course, using a retainer with a rig with flush-mounted PowerPoles is not possible, this is something manufacturers should consider when designing the panel/PCB layout. If Elecraft had extended the PowerPoles on the K3 out from the case another 1/16" then a retainer could be used (hint hint)! Cheers! Howie - WA4PSC From dpsalas at tx.rr.com Tue Feb 17 11:20:52 2015 From: dpsalas at tx.rr.com (Phil & Debbie Salas) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:20:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> I have to admit. I hate those 2.1mm DC connectors. Most are really not designed for current over 1-amp, though there are expectgions. I wish the KX3 had Powerpoles on it instead! I have Powerpoles all over my ham shack and work bench, and have had no problems. Rather than used those roll-pins, I use a dab of super-glue to hold the connectors together. Phil - AD5X "I note we don't see complaints about coaxial power connectors "pulling out". As for numbers, there are far more of these in use in our electronic environment, and they will pull out far easier that a set of APP's. I have ... by actual count ... almost 50 pairs of APP's in my shack. Once, to test the validity of the complaints, I deliberately slid my K3 on the Masonite desktop using the power cable. Have never had one "come apart". BTW, I -do- use the roll pins that hold the pairs together. 73! Ken - K0PP" From alsopb at nc.rr.com Tue Feb 17 11:23:49 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:23:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FS KPA500/KAT500 Message-ID: <54E36B15.4050403@nc.rr.com> Prices and details via private email. 73 de Brian/K3KO Henderson, NC From jackbrindle at me.com Tue Feb 17 11:24:35 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:24:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Will Not Start When Pushing the On Button In-Reply-To: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> References: <07e6ea9nbbk05grtvv0hops19la9dj3rp6@4ax.com> Message-ID: Unplug the AUX IO cable from the KPA500 and try powering it on. If the Power ON/OFF signal is held low it will prevent the KPA from powering on. It might be that you have connected the KPA to the new K3 with a straight-through cable, which will cause this problem. The KPA _will_ power on if the interlock actuator switch is loose, but it will not go into OP mode. - Jack B, W6FB > On Feb 17, 2015, at 5:11 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote: > > This is a 240V Amp. > > When pushing the on button on my KPA500 the power will not come on. > > It worked very well until I moved it to another place on the OP Table. > and connected it to K3 #1055 after having #1055 brought up to the > latest version at Elecraft. > > I have checked the fuses and verified that the power cord is supplying > the proper voltage to the amp internally and externally . > > What is the most likely cause of failure to get power to the amp? > > Which components should be checked next? > > Thanks in advance, > > Amateur Radio Operator > N5GE > > I have been up to see the > Congress and they do not > seem to be able to do > anything except to eat > peanuts and chew tobacco, > while my army is starving. > > Robert E. Lee > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Tue Feb 17 11:25:56 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:25:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Message-ID: <54E36B94.2040406@sunflower.com> I've been reading the mail on this thread. Quite enjoyable and interesting. It's nice to see what everyone is doing with their K3 or KX3... Here's my bit: 1. Bought K3 kit w ATU and 100 watt Amp in November. Ten hour build and works great - no computer control then. 2. Wanted to try diversity so then bought second receiver and expanded the AUX port - a bit of work but went fine. 3. Read about advanced contesting methods in the ARRL Contest Journal so ordered the P3 and high-speed interface I/O option ....WOW...Now I'm not wasting time spinning the dial to find what's on the band.....I just see it all and can click on spectrum display and the P3 sends that freq to the rig auto....Now in casual operating, I'm logging 3 times the short QSOs that I was before... little dial spinning! 4. Then got tired of all that logging by hand on a computer across the room - my desk - and downloaded a copy of N1MM+ for contest logging and capturing of FREQ, MODE, and other details that now go into my radio bench log automatically. In addition, I chose one of the contest logs and use it for general logging too (gathering enough detail) per above. After a few days with that "general log" I dump an ADIF file into my N3FJP general log on the other old desk computer for upload to LOTW and eQSL. When time, I'll move the LOTW stuff over to my computer on the radio bench. 5. One $-saving idea for that second computer. I had an older Dell OPTIPLEX 330 I wasn't using. I totally cleaned the hard drive, loaded Windows SYS 7 to it and AVEST security too. Now attached via cable to my house router for web stuff. Sound card meet requirements so keep it. System seven used most of the 2 GB RAM so added two new sticks @ $49 each at Best Buy, for a total of 4 GB of RAM and runs fast with just those few apps. Using the USB to serial port cable (came with K3) to connect to the P3 of the rig, that feeds though to the K3 for that portion of the computer control I want. 6. Can still use the basic terminal program that came with K3...for casual RTTY, etc. 7. We're just a couple of months away from spring here in Kansas, so now looking at adding a two-beverage (for four directions) antenna in back yard for work on 30 and 40 meters. Sure, I'll try it on 20 too. SteppIR is my main transmit antenna at this time. May add a beam Stepper on roof mount this summer. WHAT FUN! 73, Phil in Kansas, W0XI. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 11:28:37 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:28:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . In-Reply-To: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: The only problems I've ever had with Powerpoles are the ones I've created my self. Either by trying to use too thick of an insulation to using the wrong amperage PP's for the wire size I'm crimping. I've never had a set of Powerpoles disconnect on their own and that includes using them mobile... Just my .02 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote: > I have to admit. I hate those 2.1mm DC connectors. Most are really not > designed for current over 1-amp, though there are expectgions. I wish the > KX3 had Powerpoles on it instead! I have Powerpoles all over my ham shack > and work bench, and have had no problems. Rather than used those > roll-pins, I use a dab of super-glue to hold the connectors together. > > Phil - AD5X > > > "I note we don't see complaints about coaxial power connectors "pulling > out". As for numbers, there are far more of these in use in our electronic > environment, and they will pull out far easier that a set of APP's. I have > ... by actual count ... almost 50 pairs of APP's in my shack. Once, to test > the validity of the complaints, I deliberately slid my K3 on the Masonite > desktop using the power cable. Have never had one "come apart". BTW, I -do- > use the roll pins that hold the pairs together. 73! Ken - K0PP" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From n5ge at n5ge.com Tue Feb 17 11:56:45 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:56:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I finish attaching them (correctly) to the wires I install the roll pin and then add heat-shrink from one inch behind the assembly to where just covers the roll pin. 73, Tom - N5GE On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:57:37 -0700, you wrote: >I note we don't see complaints about coaxial power connectors "pulling >out". As for numbers, there are far more of these in use in our electronic >environment, and they will pull out far easier that a set of APP's. > >I have ... by actual count ... almost 50 pairs of APP's in my shack. Once, >to test the validity of the complaints, I deliberately slid my K3 on the >Masonite desktop using the power cable. Have never had one "come apart". >BTW, I -do- use the roll pins that hold the pairs together. > >73! > >Ken - K0PP >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 11:48:21 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS Ten-Tec 415 Amplifier Message-ID: <257464322.5346426.1424191701868.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> This is a nice little amp but it's truly excess to my needs. $650 shipped to the Continental US. From n1rj at roadrunner.com Tue Feb 17 12:24:42 2015 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PowerPoles In-Reply-To: <54E3698A.4020701@mebtel.net> References: <54E3698A.4020701@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <54E3795A.2010500@roadrunner.com> There are two problems with the PowerPoles: 1. The contact pulls out of the housing due to improper assembly. 2. The completed plug assembly (contacts and housings) pulls out of the matching assembly on back of the K3. Most people having a problem don't specify which problem they're having. Consequently, many of the replies don't apply. I have had problem 2 in part, I think, because of the large gauge heavy wires. 73, Roger From alan at g3xaq.net Tue Feb 17 12:44:52 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:44:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? Message-ID: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> I have just (again) acquired a K2/100. It shows exactly the symptom below as described in 2009 --- If I move (even very slightly) the rf gain control the audio silences and the S meter shows full deflection. After about three seconds or so the receiver recovers and the s meter returns to normal. This happens wherever teh rf gain control is positioned about it's axis. Any suggestions ? 73 de Vic GW4JUN ----- It was suggested the RF Gain pot might be noisy but the OP never followed up. Is this most likely root cause? If so, can someone point me towards a replacement 5K LIN pot that will fit, ideally sourced from Newark (Farnell in the UK)? Thanks a lot, Alan G3XAQ From wb1edi at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:53:46 2015 From: wb1edi at hotmail.com (barry whittemore) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions Message-ID: When i got back into ham radio in 1993 i bought an IC725 basic radio and made a homebrew Serial to TTL converter so i could use the PC for controlling the radio. I have never looked back and have been using PC control ever since. I built the interface in a 25 pin D connector shell because thats what serial ports used back then. I have a home brew 1929 transmitter that i use for the bruce kelley qso party. I was going to use an SDR for the receiver but there was so much latency in the RX sig that i could not use it for sidetone. It would have been cool to use latest tech for One side and antient tech for the other. I have two PCs connected to my K3 as my XYL ops with me and either of us can control the radio and both can get radio data. (Its a special hookup) Either of us can do CW,SSB RTTY or AFSK modes independantly. Life is good. We use N1MM logger for the daily logger. We are friends with Tom (N1MM) so we get it for free. (so do people that are not friends with Tom) People are concerned about the loss of logs due to drive crashes etc. Ironicly, after this years bruce kelley 1929 contest, which i logged my 11 contacts with paper and pencil, i lost the log sheet. My elogs are all safe in multiple places. Enjoy Barry NF1O From ab7r at cablespeed.com Tue Feb 17 13:12:56 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:12:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner for sale Message-ID: Excellent condition and works great. Selling the station... $500 plus shipping (CONUS only) 73 Greg AB7R From alan at g3xaq.net Tue Feb 17 13:15:17 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:15:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? In-Reply-To: <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> Thanks Don. It's an early K2, serial number 997. Is there anything unusual about the pot or is it just a standard sized miniature 5K linear? 73, Alan G3XAQ On 17/02/2015 18:02, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Alan, > > If the RF gain pot is worn it will behave that way. > If this is a fairly new K2 I would say SN above 4000, the pot should > not be worn out yet unless the operator used it excessively - so in that > case, look for an unsoldered connection between the RF gain control and > the path to the K2 Control Board. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 12:44 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: >> I have just (again) acquired a K2/100. It shows exactly the symptom >> below as described in 2009 >> >> --- >> If I move (even very slightly) the rf gain control the audio silences >> and the S >> meter shows full deflection. After about three seconds or so the receiver >> recovers and the s meter returns to normal. This happens wherever teh >> rf gain >> control is positioned about it's axis. >> >> Any suggestions ? >> >> 73 de Vic GW4JUN >> ----- >> >> It was suggested the RF Gain pot might be noisy but the OP never >> followed up. Is this most likely root cause? If so, can someone point >> me towards a replacement 5K LIN pot that will fit, ideally sourced >> from Newark (Farnell in the UK)? >> >> Thanks a lot, >> >> Alan G3XAQ > > -- Alan Ibbetson alan at g3xaq.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Feb 17 13:16:01 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:16:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E35991.5090208@embarqmail.com> References: <54E35991.5090208@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E38561.70703@foothill.net> When I retired, I began learning how to cook so I could make dinner a couple nights each week. There are many web sites with recipes, I use AllRecipes most of the time. It has a provision for people to rate the recipes. For a recipe with 100 ratings, most will be high and comments speak highly of it. Some of the comments will tell you the same recipe is totally rotten and results in inedible food. So it goes with APP's. This subject returns to the list periodically just like a short-period comet. We should go into the list archive and give each of the APP comments a code number. Then, when the comet returns, we could save all those keystrokes by just using the number, since the comments really never change. My opinion on APP's is 34G: They work fine, I've never had a connection dislodge. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/17/2015 7:09 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chris, > > This subject does come up from time to time, and the most common cause > for weak APP connectors is due to improper assembly. > Look in the end of your APP connectors. If you can see the tip of the > spring that is supposed to lock the connection blades in place, you have > not properly latched the connection blades in place. > Push on the back of the connector blade until it latches over the end of > the spring. It may take a goodly amount of force. > > Properly assembled APP connectors normally have sufficient pull-out > resistance for all but the most unusual forces. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 13:22:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1455553160.5492530.1424197376190.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would suspect that the power pole got installed incorrectly From: Chris Hallinan To: "" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:58 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors Hi list, I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down.? I have little doubt it's the power pole connectors.? I soldered them, and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron.? It seems to be plugged in and fully seated.? But why is it so fragile?? I used the powerpole connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. Has anyone else notice this phenomenon?? Any advice? Thanks and 73, Chris K1AY -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 13:02:44 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? In-Reply-To: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> Message-ID: <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> Alan, If the RF gain pot is worn it will behave that way. If this is a fairly new K2 I would say SN above 4000, the pot should not be worn out yet unless the operator used it excessively - so in that case, look for an unsoldered connection between the RF gain control and the path to the K2 Control Board. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 12:44 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: > I have just (again) acquired a K2/100. It shows exactly the symptom > below as described in 2009 > > --- > If I move (even very slightly) the rf gain control the audio silences > and the S > meter shows full deflection. After about three seconds or so the receiver > recovers and the s meter returns to normal. This happens wherever teh > rf gain > control is positioned about it's axis. > > Any suggestions ? > > 73 de Vic GW4JUN > ----- > > It was suggested the RF Gain pot might be noisy but the OP never > followed up. Is this most likely root cause? If so, can someone point > me towards a replacement 5K LIN pot that will fit, ideally sourced > from Newark (Farnell in the UK)? > > Thanks a lot, > > Alan G3XAQ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 13:24:24 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:24:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> I've had occasional issues like yours. Usually I just replace them. Sometimes, for reasons not readily apparent, they just do not lock together well. Every piece of equipment I have gets power through PowerPoles. I have 2 12-position distribution panels. Seems like the PowerPoles could be improved with some type of locking mechanism when they are panel mounted. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 2/17/15 7:58 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Hi list, > > I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I > have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, > and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in > and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole > connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. > > Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? > > Thanks and 73, > > Chris > K1AY > From challinan at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 13:41:47 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:41:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> Message-ID: HAHA, I should have expected a "firestorm" of replies. Thanks for all the input. I suspect that something went wrong with my installation, and I will check it out. I did purchase the crimp tool but that was after the experience of soldering the first set. I do recall that they were difficult to insert into the plastic shell after soldering because some solder leaked out around the contacts, and I had to basically clean it off. I'll try re-installing the connector using the crimp tool. Maybe my opinion on these connectors can change... LOL Thanks, Chris K1AY On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > I've had occasional issues like yours. Usually I just replace them. > Sometimes, for reasons not readily apparent, they just do not lock together > well. Every piece of equipment I have gets power through PowerPoles. I have > 2 12-position distribution panels. Seems like the PowerPoles could be > improved with some type of locking mechanism when they are panel mounted. > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > > On 2/17/15 7:58 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> >> Hi list, >> >> I've noticed that almost every time I move my K3, it powers down. I >> have little doubt it's the power pole connectors. I soldered them, >> and I'm pretty good with a soldering iron. It seems to be plugged in >> and fully seated. But why is it so fragile? I used the powerpole >> connectors and contacts that came with my K3 kit. >> >> Has anyone else notice this phenomenon? Any advice? >> >> Thanks and 73, >> >> Chris >> K1AY >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Tue Feb 17 13:51:28 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:51:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip brush and touch up the letter. Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. Or, just live with it. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Scratched-off-screen-printing-on-a-week-old-KX3-tp7598696p7598715.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 17 14:05:20 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:05:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> Message-ID: <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/17/2015 10:41 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > I do recall that > they were difficult to insert into the plastic shell after soldering > because some solder leaked out around the contacts, and I had to > basically clean it off. I've assembled hundreds of Power Pole connector sets -- they're on everything in my station that runs on DC, and on all of the non-ham gear powered by wall warts or other DC supplies. I've never seen a Power Pole crimper -- all of mine are soldered. I find them very easy to do, once you understand how they work. Inside each plastic housing is a spring. The contacts have a sort of curled lip that is intended to fit over that spring, which locks it in position. The contact must be inserted so that the curl is in the right direction, and it must be pushed all the way to the spring. Usually you will hear a click when that happens. For small diameter wire, I often must use a small screw driver (like the miniature Xcelite Red or Green) to push the contact from the wire side of the housing. For large diameter wire, it may be necessary to strip a bit more insulation so that it fits into the housing. The only times I find it difficult to install a Power Pole is when I'm using #10 wire, which requires the largest of the three sizes of contacts (the type with the U-shaped holder for the wire). The wire must be very carefully tinned, inserted very carefully, and the U-shaped holder carefully folded over so that it fits into the housing. I do this with a pair of needlenose pliers. A crimper might make that easier. The only times I've had Power Poles disconnect were when the DC cable for one of my K3s was too short, and I pulled the radio forward. 73, Jim K9YC From rprather at mac.com Tue Feb 17 14:19:54 2015 From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:19:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> Message-ID: Joshua, You say that "RUMlog offers very little in the arena for rig control". Have you looked at the "K3 Control" panel in the Transceiver menu? It offers many functions for rig control and what it doesn't have pre-set up you can use by making and storing macros. The macro buttons is where I keep EQ stettings, Mic selections. control of the Text button, and splits. RUMlog satisfies just about all my needs for computer control including accessing the front panel memory buttons. Rick K6LE On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > I'm going to chime in on this one. > > As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has only > been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and > have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected > so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging > software. RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do > almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot > and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it. > > The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my license > was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer. All of > my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm > glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct > information... > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > > > > > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected users > > than one would think. Some time ago I asked around the club who had > > computer hookup and who did not. I then did a presentation on logging > > software using Logger32. and later with N1MM this was a few years ago. > > > > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT > > control. those that had older rigs didn't, Id say less than a half > with > > newer rigs were connected. Some using the yeasu DMU (if that counts as > a > > computer) even some that did digital only had just the audio > > connections no RS232. myself included before I had the K3. > > > > For the Contesters the ratio was higher probably half Most of our > > contesters are casual but even a few of the more intense contesters > still > > have no RS232 or equivalent connected. they manually entered the band > > into their software. > > > > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack. I think in > > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they > don't > > want it now. others have said "the radio has knobs to control it why > > bother with a computer" some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person > and > > don't understand that stuff" I think there are some misconceptions > > out there one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you > have > > to control it that way. I blame HRD for this as it sure makes it look > > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its > > complicated and difficult. Many don't really understand the potential > of > > using some level of computer connection. In my case its very little > > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc and using > > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and > > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot. Today I think the > ratio > > of those that have a connected computer is going up. I often offer > > assistance in this. > > > > There are only two of us that have K3s in the club. I've had mine for > > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or so. ( > > Hi Ken.) both of us have computer connections. > > > > I would assume however and yes this is an assumption that since the K3 > > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more than > > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232 > > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members > that > > own a broad range of radio types. Personally I couldn't wait to get a > > rig that could be hooked up the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which cant > > be connected. > > > > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have > the > > serial connection, give it a try. It offers allot of conveniences that > > you might not recognize until you use it. If you are logging with just > > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect just > fine, > > even if just for information gathering. > > > > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer you can add either a USB > > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter, > these > > all can be had for less than $30 and much-much less if you buy online. > > > > > > David Moes > > VE3DVY > > > > > > --- Original message --- > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions > >> From: Al Lorona > >> To: Elecraft Reflector > >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 8:10 PM > >> > >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a > >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. > >> > >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams operate > >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. > This > >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include > while > >> updating firmware. > >> > >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's > the > >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and > >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my > favorite > >> software and everything works great." > >> > >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like this. > A > >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at > least, it > >> assumes far too much. > >> > >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by the > >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that > requires > >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about whether > a > >> computer can be part of the solution. > >> > >> > >> Al W6LX > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:25:06 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? In-Reply-To: <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> Message-ID: <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> Alan, With that serial number, there could be a lot of wear on the pot if the prior operator used the RF Gain a lot. It is one of the standard size pot 5K linear, but there are pots with different form factors. I would suggest you get the proper one from Elecraft PN E520004 to be certain it fits. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 1:15 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: > Thanks Don. It's an early K2, serial number 997. Is there anything > unusual about the pot or is it just a standard sized miniature 5K linear? > > 73, Alan G3XAQ > > On 17/02/2015 18:02, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Alan, >> >> If the RF gain pot is worn it will behave that way. >> If this is a fairly new K2 I would say SN above 4000, the pot should >> not be worn out yet unless the operator used it excessively - so in that >> case, look for an unsoldered connection between the RF gain control and >> the path to the K2 Control Board. From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:32:41 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:32:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? In-Reply-To: <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Alan, Don is right. I thought I had done the right thing some years ago, ordering what I thought was the same pot from a UK supplier. I still have it in my drawer of bits somewhere - it didn't fit. I then ordered from Elecraft, not stupidly expensive although the shipping always bites it seems to me, and all was well. (Wish I'd never sold the K2 but I had to at the time to part fund the K3, which I still have :-) 73 Stephen G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 19:25, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Alan, > > With that serial number, there could be a lot of wear on the pot if the > prior operator used the RF Gain a lot. > It is one of the standard size pot 5K linear, but there are pots with > different form factors. I would suggest you get the proper one from > Elecraft PN E520004 to be certain it fits. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 1:15 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: > >> Thanks Don. It's an early K2, serial number 997. Is there anything >> unusual about the pot or is it just a standard sized miniature 5K linear? >> >> 73, Alan G3XAQ >> >> On 17/02/2015 18:02, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >>> Alan, >>> >>> If the RF gain pot is worn it will behave that way. >>> If this is a fairly new K2 I would say SN above 4000, the pot should >>> not be worn out yet unless the operator used it excessively - so in that >>> case, look for an unsoldered connection between the RF gain control and >>> the path to the K2 Control Board. >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:33:19 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> Message-ID: Rick, Actually, no, I had never opened that up. I actually started reading the programmers refrence and I was playing around in the KX3 Utility and couldn't get any of my commands to work, but I think that's more of a I need todo a bit of reading and go from there. I'll have to play around with the control panel, but that' all I need is another window... Hihi. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Rick Prather wrote: > Joshua, > > You say that "RUMlog offers very little in the arena for rig control". > > Have you looked at the "K3 Control" panel in the Transceiver menu? > > It offers many functions for rig control and what it doesn't have pre-set > up you can use by making and storing macros. > > The macro buttons is where I keep EQ stettings, Mic selections. control of > the Text button, and splits. > > RUMlog satisfies just about all my needs for computer control including > accessing the front panel memory buttons. > > Rick > K6LE > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > > I'm going to chime in on this one. > > > > As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has > only > > been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and > > have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected > > so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging > > software. RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do > > almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot > > and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it. > > > > The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my > license > > was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer. All > of > > my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm > > glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct > > information... > > > > 72, > > Joshua Gould > > K8WXA > > EM89pn > > > > KX3# 7465 > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected > users > > > than one would think. Some time ago I asked around the club who had > > > computer hookup and who did not. I then did a presentation on logging > > > software using Logger32. and later with N1MM this was a few years > ago. > > > > > > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT > > > control. those that had older rigs didn't, Id say less than a half > > with > > > newer rigs were connected. Some using the yeasu DMU (if that counts > as > > a > > > computer) even some that did digital only had just the audio > > > connections no RS232. myself included before I had the K3. > > > > > > For the Contesters the ratio was higher probably half Most of our > > > contesters are casual but even a few of the more intense contesters > > still > > > have no RS232 or equivalent connected. they manually entered the band > > > into their software. > > > > > > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack. I think in > > > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they > > don't > > > want it now. others have said "the radio has knobs to control it > why > > > bother with a computer" some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person > > and > > > don't understand that stuff" I think there are some > misconceptions > > > out there one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you > > have > > > to control it that way. I blame HRD for this as it sure makes it > look > > > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its > > > complicated and difficult. Many don't really understand the potential > > of > > > using some level of computer connection. In my case its very little > > > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc and > using > > > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and > > > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot. Today I think the > > ratio > > > of those that have a connected computer is going up. I often offer > > > assistance in this. > > > > > > There are only two of us that have K3s in the club. I've had mine for > > > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or > so. ( > > > Hi Ken.) both of us have computer connections. > > > > > > I would assume however and yes this is an assumption that since the K3 > > > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more > than > > > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232 > > > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members > > that > > > own a broad range of radio types. Personally I couldn't wait to get > a > > > rig that could be hooked up the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which > cant > > > be connected. > > > > > > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have > > the > > > serial connection, give it a try. It offers allot of conveniences > that > > > you might not recognize until you use it. If you are logging with just > > > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect just > > fine, > > > even if just for information gathering. > > > > > > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer you can add either a > USB > > > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter, > > these > > > all can be had for less than $30 and much-much less if you buy > online. > > > > > > > > > David Moes > > > VE3DVY > > > > > > > > > --- Original message --- > > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions > > >> From: Al Lorona > > >> To: Elecraft Reflector > > >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 8:10 PM > > >> > > >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a > > >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. > > >> > > >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams > operate > > >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. > > This > > >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include > > while > > >> updating firmware. > > >> > > >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's > > the > > >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and > > >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my > > favorite > > >> software and everything works great." > > >> > > >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like > this. > > A > > >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at > > least, it > > >> assumes far too much. > > >> > > >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by > the > > >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that > > requires > > >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about > whether > > a > > >> computer can be part of the solution. > > >> > > >> > > >> Al W6LX > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Feb 17 14:35:03 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54E397E7.8080709@nycap.rr.com> I would hate to think (shudder shudder) that the Power Poles were not installed properly, as they were done by Elecraft. Move the K3 and they WILL disconnect. So, I used a couple of cable ties to act as strain reliefs. That ended the problem. Everything else in my shack uses real nut and bolt connections on Bakelite terminal strips. No unplanned disconnects. I have the proper (expensive) crimp tool and actually do know what I am doing. That said, other than Field Day use, I can see no reason to use Power Poles. Bill W2BLC K-Line From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:37:39 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:37:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> Message-ID: I fully agree about Rumlog. It's just great for the K3 (and KX3), and there is plenty you can do with macros. There is a new version of Rumlog about to be released soon as well :-) 73 Stephen G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 19:19, Rick Prather wrote: > Joshua, > > You say that "RUMlog offers very little in the arena for rig control". > > Have you looked at the "K3 Control" panel in the Transceiver menu? > > It offers many functions for rig control and what it doesn't have pre-set > up you can use by making and storing macros. > > The macro buttons is where I keep EQ stettings, Mic selections. control of > the Text button, and splits. > > RUMlog satisfies just about all my needs for computer control including > accessing the front panel memory buttons. > > Rick > K6LE > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > > I'm going to chime in on this one. > > > > As a somewhat new General Class operator and new KX3 owner, My KX3 has > only > > been disconnected from the laptop on my desk if I am either not home and > > have the laptop and not the radio with me. Other than that it's connected > > so that I don't have to enter the frequency, or mode into my Logging > > software. RUMLog offers very little in the arena of rig control, so I do > > almost all of my control from the radio. I can double click on a DX Spot > > and it will QSY the radio and change the mode but that's it. > > > > The radio that I borrowed from another ham when I first upgraded my > license > > was an Icom IC-765 that I had no way to interface to the computer. All > of > > my logs from those contacts are a generic 14.000 type of frequency... I'm > > glad I can interface the KX3 to the computer and get the correct > > information... > > > > 72, > > Joshua Gould > > K8WXA > > EM89pn > > > > KX3# 7465 > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:05 AM, wrote: > > > > > > > > I somewhat agree that there is a lower ratio of computer connected > users > > > than one would think. Some time ago I asked around the club who had > > > computer hookup and who did not. I then did a presentation on logging > > > software using Logger32. and later with N1MM this was a few years > ago. > > > > > > My findings were that most did not have the computer connected for CAT > > > control. those that had older rigs didn't, Id say less than a half > > with > > > newer rigs were connected. Some using the yeasu DMU (if that counts > as > > a > > > computer) even some that did digital only had just the audio > > > connections no RS232. myself included before I had the K3. > > > > > > For the Contesters the ratio was higher probably half Most of our > > > contesters are casual but even a few of the more intense contesters > > still > > > have no RS232 or equivalent connected. they manually entered the band > > > into their software. > > > > > > Almost all of these members have computers in the shack. I think in > > > some cases is they feel that since they have never had it before they > > don't > > > want it now. others have said "the radio has knobs to control it > why > > > bother with a computer" some just say "Oh I'm not a computer person > > and > > > don't understand that stuff" I think there are some > misconceptions > > > out there one being that if you hook a radio up to the computer you > > have > > > to control it that way. I blame HRD for this as it sure makes it > look > > > that way even though its still not the case. the other is that its > > > complicated and difficult. Many don't really understand the potential > > of > > > using some level of computer connection. In my case its very little > > > mostly just the information gathering like mode frequency etc and > using > > > the band map and Packet cluster feed and being able to just click and > > > automatically tune to a new or interesting spot. Today I think the > > ratio > > > of those that have a connected computer is going up. I often offer > > > assistance in this. > > > > > > There are only two of us that have K3s in the club. I've had mine for > > > several years and the other member has only had his for a month or > so. ( > > > Hi Ken.) both of us have computer connections. > > > > > > I would assume however and yes this is an assumption that since the K3 > > > is a complex rig that is most often purchased by those that are more > than > > > just the occasional ham, I suspect that the number of people with RS232 > > > connections is significantly higher than my findings covering members > > that > > > own a broad range of radio types. Personally I couldn't wait to get > a > > > rig that could be hooked up the K3s predecessor was a TS430s which > cant > > > be connected. > > > > > > For those that have a computer in the shack for logging but don't have > > the > > > serial connection, give it a try. It offers allot of conveniences > that > > > you might not recognize until you use it. If you are logging with just > > > about any half decent logging software it probably will connect just > > fine, > > > even if just for information gathering. > > > > > > If you dont have an RS232 port on your computer you can add either a > USB > > > to RS232 adapter or better a multi port PCI or PCIE serial adapter, > > these > > > all can be had for less than $30 and much-much less if you buy > online. > > > > > > > > > David Moes > > > VE3DVY > > > > > > > > > --- Original message --- > > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions > > >> From: Al Lorona > > >> To: Elecraft Reflector > > >> Date: Monday, 16/02/2015 8:10 PM > > >> > > >> There seems to be an almost universal assumption that, if you have a > > >> transceiver in the shack, it is connected to a computer full-time. > > >> > > >> That is certainly not the case. Plenty --perhaps most-- of hams > operate > > >> their rigs in a standalone mode without computer, even while at home. > > This > > >> may come as a shock to some of you. Exceptions to this rule include > > while > > >> updating firmware. > > >> > > >> This bad assumption usually rears its head when someone asks, "What's > > the > > >> best way to operate split?" or, "How do you use the CW memories?" and > > >> someone immediately responds, "Well I push this here button in my > > favorite > > >> software and everything works great." > > >> > > >> I'm always frustrated and even a little annoyed by responses like > this. > > A > > >> response like this is not answering exactly what was asked. Or at > > least, it > > >> assumes far too much. > > >> > > >> I recommend that, unless computer control is explicitly mentioned by > the > > >> original poster, we shouldn't automatically offer a solution that > > requires > > >> a computer to work. Original posters should be more clear about > whether > > a > > >> computer can be part of the solution. > > >> > > >> > > >> Al W6LX > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 14:42:06 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:42:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> Even on my non-Elecraft rigs, I cut the connector at about 6" and install a pair of PowerPoles between the typical, hard to remove Molex-type connector and the rest of the power cord. I also have the giant 100 amp PowerPoles for connecting the winch and other accessories on my ATV. THOSE will never come apart accidentally. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 2/17/15 12:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,2/17/2015 10:41 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> I do recall that >> they were difficult to insert into the plastic shell after soldering >> because some solder leaked out around the contacts, and I had to >> basically clean it off. > > I've assembled hundreds of Power Pole connector sets -- they're on > everything in my station that runs on DC, and on all of the non-ham > gear powered by wall warts or other DC supplies. I've never seen a > Power Pole crimper -- all of mine are soldered. > > I find them very easy to do, once you understand how they work. Inside > each plastic housing is a spring. The contacts have a sort of curled > lip that is intended to fit over that spring, which locks it in > position. The contact must be inserted so that the curl is in the > right direction, and it must be pushed all the way to the spring. > Usually you will hear a click when that happens. > > For small diameter wire, I often must use a small screw driver (like > the miniature Xcelite Red or Green) to push the contact from the wire > side of the housing. For large diameter wire, it may be necessary to > strip a bit more insulation so that it fits into the housing. > > The only times I find it difficult to install a Power Pole is when I'm > using #10 wire, which requires the largest of the three sizes of > contacts (the type with the U-shaped holder for the wire). The wire > must be very carefully tinned, inserted very carefully, and the > U-shaped holder carefully folded over so that it fits into the > housing. I do this with a pair of needlenose pliers. A crimper might > make that easier. > > The only times I've had Power Poles disconnect were when the DC cable > for one of my K3s was too short, and I pulled the radio forward. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From hans.h.vollmer at t-online.de Tue Feb 17 14:42:12 2015 From: hans.h.vollmer at t-online.de (Hans H Vollmer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:42:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status of KSYN3AUPG Message-ID: <54E39994.1010109@t-online.de> Hi is there a shipping status for the KSYN3AUPG ? 73 de Hans, DF5SR From acsewell at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:49:17 2015 From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E39B3D.40806@gmail.com> Sounds like a bad paint job. If it were mine I'd contact Elecraft and request a new front panel. None of the lettering should scratch off so easily. 73, Alan N5NA On 2/17/2015 1:33 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:14:59 -0500 > From: Joshua Gould > To: Elecraft List > Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I was moving my hand from the keyboard to the radio and brushed my > fingernail against the yellow word tune before realizing that my finger was > too low to get to the band switches. I managed to scratch the U out of the > yellow word tune on the front of my case. > > Can I expect the rest of the yellow functions to just rub off the face of > the case? > > So far this is my only disappointment in an otherwise excellent radio... > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > > > ------------------------------ > > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:50:42 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E39B92.70007@gmail.com> The point is, of course, that the printing shouldn't come off quite so easily, especially on a 1 week old radio. The original poster has a valid concern. Minor to you, possibly, but the front panel printing on a transceiver shouldn't scrape off with a brush of the fingernail. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/17/15 1:51 PM, Bill Wilkins wrote: > You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. > Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip brush > and touch up the letter. > Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. > Or, just live with it. > 73, Bill, WD8JWJ > > > > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 14:54:14 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <54E39B92.70007@gmail.com> References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E39B92.70007@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've sent a message off to Elecraft and we'll see what they say. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > The point is, of course, that the printing shouldn't come off quite so > easily, especially on a 1 week old radio. The original poster has a valid > concern. Minor to you, possibly, but the front panel printing on a > transceiver shouldn't scrape off with a brush of the fingernail. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > On 2/17/15 1:51 PM, Bill Wilkins wrote: > >> You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. >> Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip >> brush >> and touch up the letter. >> Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. >> Or, just live with it. >> 73, Bill, WD8JWJ >> >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From redelen at rfwave.net Tue Feb 17 15:04:56 2015 From: redelen at rfwave.net (kg7vq) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:04:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424203496596-7598728.post@n2.nabble.com> I crazy glue the connector shells and use a Q-tip stem in place of the roll pin. They trim easily, seem to be the same size, are readily available and non-conductive. I can't take credit for the Q-tip, I read it somewhere. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/More-Power-Pole-tp7598694p7598728.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kenk3iu at cox.net Tue Feb 17 15:08:22 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:08:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status of KSYN3AUPG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E39FB6.7070902@cox.net> I received notification of shipment today. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 2/17/2015 2:42 PM, Hans H Vollmer wrote: > Hi > is there a shipping status for the > KSYN3AUPG ? > 73 de Hans, DF5SR > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:12:23 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:12:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status of KSYN3AUPG In-Reply-To: <54E39FB6.7070902@cox.net> References: <54E39FB6.7070902@cox.net> Message-ID: Ordered mine online a few hours after Wayne's email. Should ship tomorrow. 73 Stephen, G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 20:08, Ken Wagner K3IU wrote: > I received notification of shipment today. > 73, Ken K3IU > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On 2/17/2015 2:42 PM, Hans H Vollmer wrote: > >> Hi >> is there a shipping status for the KSYN3AUPG ? >> 73 de Hans, DF5SR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 17 15:13:06 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:13:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E3A0D2.5020108@socal.rr.com> Live with it? I sure hope he does not! Nor do I agree with the other bandaid approaches below. He should: * Get a new front panel from Elecraft * Buy some fingernail clippers : Phil W7OX On 2/17/15 10:51 AM, Bill Wilkins wrote: > You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. > Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip brush > and touch up the letter. > Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. > Or, just live with it. > 73, Bill, WD8JWJ From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:15:29 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:15:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . In-Reply-To: <1424203496596-7598728.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424203496596-7598728.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Good idea, I've found that the roll pins fall out some times, in fact I've stopped using them for that reason. Q-tips sound a far better and cheaper idea. Never ever had a problem with powerpoles, including their use in a Land Rover. Just make sure you hear the click as the pin goes into the housing. Tried crimping, went back to soldering... Stephen G4SJP On 17 February 2015 at 20:04, kg7vq wrote: > I crazy glue the connector shells and use a Q-tip stem in place of the roll > pin. They trim easily, seem to be the same size, are readily available and > non-conductive. I can't take credit for the Q-tip, I read it somewhere. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/More-Power-Pole-tp7598694p7598728.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 17 15:18:30 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: References: <54e34a9e.150e.20ff1940.4d6eefeb@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <54E3A216.2010102@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/17/2015 11:33 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > I actually started reading the > programmers refrence and I was playing around in the KX3 Utility and > couldn't get any of my commands to work, but I think that's more of a I > need todo a bit of reading and go from there. Remember that unless you're doing something to share the serial port between two or more programs, only one at a time can be connected to the KX3. So if you're connected with RumLog, you can't connect with the KX3 Utility. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 14:31:38 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:31:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> In diversity mode, the main and sub RX synthesizers are guaranteed to be phase-locked to each other if the crystal filters selected for main and sub both have exactly the same frequency offset. The offset for all 8-pole filters is 0.00. The offset for 5-pole filters varies, and can be ordered in matched sets for main/sub. Wayne N6KR On Feb 16, 2015, at 6:29 PM, dalej dj2001x at comcast.net [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > That's what I tried to tell these guys on the 7800 group. There's a lot of confusion out there regarding linking and diversity and the advantage of diversity and the importance of the two receivers to be phase locked and not a hz apart or even a half hz apart. Some think just because the two VFO's show the same readout they are in diversity. > > Dale, k9vuj > > On 16, Feb 2015, at 19:13, Don Wilhelm w3fpr at embarqmail.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > Willis, > > When in Diversity mode, the VFO that is controlling the frequency is VFO > A only. > There is no need to lock the VFOs in diversity - they are already > 'locked' because only one VFO (and synthesizer) is being used. That > assures that both the main and sub RX have the same frequency and phase > relationship. > > I think this is the factor that has confused many. The locking > (linking) of the VFOs have nothing to do with diversity mode. LINK is > an altogether different "animal". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/16/2015 7:54 PM, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: > > I think he was talking about removing the feature that locks both VFOs together rather than diversity. The writer said that he did not think it was good to lock both VFOs together, but I think is is required for proper diversity operation to have both locked. > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Don Wilhelm > ------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: dalej > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (7) > VISIT YOUR GROUP > ? New Members 16 > > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From w6jhb at me.com Tue Feb 17 15:20:29 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:20:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <54E3A0D2.5020108@socal.rr.com> References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3A0D2.5020108@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I just ?tested? the durability of the yellow paint on my KX3 # 5539. Pushed pretty hard with the edge of my fingernail and no way was that paint coming off. Bad paint job somehow slipped through. Elecraft will most certainly make good on it. Jim / W6JHB > On Tuesday, Feb 17, 2015, at Tuesday, 12:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Live with it? I sure hope he does not! Nor do I agree with the other bandaid approaches below. > > He should: > > * Get a new front panel from Elecraft > * Buy some fingernail clippers : > > Phil W7OX > > > On 2/17/15 10:51 AM, Bill Wilkins wrote: >> You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. >> Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip brush >> and touch up the letter. >> Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. >> Or, just live with it. >> 73, Bill, WD8JWJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Tue Feb 17 15:21:24 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:21:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003701d04aef$4e4888c0$ead99a40$@gamewood.net> A proper crimp is far superior to solder! (Let the flames begin.) The solder will wick up your stranded wire and make a solid conductor of your nice flexible wire. The additional solid length will impart even more torque on the APP connection. Perhaps more importantly for power in general, an overcurrent condition will heat the junction and melt the solder which will proceed to flow into the most unwelcome places! If you only own one crimper, make it the West Mountain crimp tool for APP. Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:23 AM To: Chris Hallinan Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors PowerPoles are not fragile, when correctly assembled/soldered. I think there is an issue, either with your assembly to the lead or possibly with the units mounted on the PCB in the K3 (it has been known to be in the K3). Although I crimp all mine (well worth getting the West Mountain Radio Deluxe crimp tool if your going to use a lot of APPs) I have to use a reasonable From w1ksz at earthlink.net Tue Feb 17 15:33:36 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:33:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54E3A5A0.1070905@earthlink.net> Something must be wrong with the way they are installed. I used P-P's for years in the mobile (a 4X4 that was off-road as much as on) and NEVER had an inadvertent disconnect. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/17/2015 12:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,2/17/2015 10:41 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> I do recall that >> they were difficult to insert into the plastic shell after soldering >> because some solder leaked out around the contacts, and I had to >> basically clean it off. > > I've assembled hundreds of Power Pole connector sets -- they're on > everything in my station that runs on DC, and on all of the non-ham > gear powered by wall warts or other DC supplies. I've never seen a > Power Pole crimper -- all of mine are soldered. > > I find them very easy to do, once you understand how they work. Inside > each plastic housing is a spring. The contacts have a sort of curled > lip that is intended to fit over that spring, which locks it in > position. The contact must be inserted so that the curl is in the > right direction, and it must be pushed all the way to the spring. > Usually you will hear a click when that happens. > > For small diameter wire, I often must use a small screw driver (like > the miniature Xcelite Red or Green) to push the contact from the wire > side of the housing. For large diameter wire, it may be necessary to > strip a bit more insulation so that it fits into the housing. > > The only times I find it difficult to install a Power Pole is when I'm > using #10 wire, which requires the largest of the three sizes of > contacts (the type with the U-shaped holder for the wire). The wire > must be very carefully tinned, inserted very carefully, and the > U-shaped holder carefully folded over so that it fits into the > housing. I do this with a pair of needlenose pliers. A crimper might > make that easier. > > The only times I've had Power Poles disconnect were when the DC cable > for one of my K3s was too short, and I pulled the radio forward. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From alan at g3xaq.net Tue Feb 17 15:37:13 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:37:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noisy RF gain pot? In-Reply-To: References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E3A679.6050102@g3xaq.net> OK, thanks everyone. I'll order a replacement pot. 73, Alan G3XAQ On 17/02/2015 19:32, Stephen Prior wrote: > Alan, > > Don is right. I thought I had done the right thing some years ago, > ordering what I thought was the same pot from a UK supplier. I still > have it in my drawer of bits somewhere - it didn't fit. I then ordered > from Elecraft, not stupidly expensive although the shipping always bites > it seems to me, and all was well. (Wish I'd never sold the K2 but I had > to at the time to part fund the K3, which I still have :-) > > 73 Stephen G4SJP > > On 17 February 2015 at 19:25, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > Alan, > > With that serial number, there could be a lot of wear on the pot if > the prior operator used the RF Gain a lot. > It is one of the standard size pot 5K linear, but there are pots > with different form factors. I would suggest you get the proper one > from Elecraft PN E520004 to be certain it fits. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 1:15 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: > > Thanks Don. It's an early K2, serial number 997. Is there > anything unusual about the pot or is it just a standard sized > miniature 5K linear? > > 73, Alan G3XAQ > > On 17/02/2015 18:02, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Alan, > > If the RF gain pot is worn it will behave that way. > If this is a fairly new K2 I would say SN above 4000, the > pot should > not be worn out yet unless the operator used it excessively > - so in that > case, look for an unsoldered connection between the RF gain > control and > the path to the K2 Control Board. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/__mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.__htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.__net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > > > -- Alan Ibbetson alan at g3xaq.net From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 15:41:35 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:41:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <54E3A677.3080106@socal.rr.com> References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3A0D2.5020108@socal.rr.com> <54E3A4D0.9060802@socal.rr.com> <54E3A677.3080106@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I just got a reply back from Elecraft and am very happy with the proposed solution. I'm just going to need to swap my SideKX end plate for the factory ones... 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7465 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Yeah, G5RVs are vulnerable. I'm in the Los Angeles area and mine gets > zapped now and then by palm fronds -- even got the capacitive hat on my > rotating D4 dipole last year. All repaired now. > > My TH3Mk4 is (fortunately) out of reach of the palm tree! > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/17/15 12:32 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > It did. I was just poking some fun. I would be enjoying the KX3 even > more if the recent wind storm didn't damage my G5RV... > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> I guess the :-) didn't come thru! >> >> On 2/17/15 12:15 PM, Joshua Gould wrote: >> >> My nails barely extend past my fingertips, thank you very much. LOL I >> really think it was an angle thing, (e.g the way my nail hit the case) >> >> 72, >> Joshua Gould >> K8WXA >> EM89pn >> >> KX3# 7465 >> >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >>> Live with it? I sure hope he does not! Nor do I agree with the other >>> bandaid approaches below. >>> >>> He should: >>> >>> * Get a new front panel from Elecraft >>> * Buy some fingernail clippers : >>> >>> Phil W7OX >>> >>> >>> On 2/17/15 10:51 AM, Bill Wilkins wrote: >>> >>>> You could place a small piece of Scotch tape over the remaining letters. >>>> Or go to the craft shop and buy some yellow paint and a super fine tip >>>> brush >>>> and touch up the letter. >>>> Find a label maker that can print a yellow TUNE and overlay a new TUNE. >>>> Or, just live with it. >>>> 73, Bill, WD8JWJ >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> > > From htodd at twofifty.com Tue Feb 17 15:51:15 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:51:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping Status of KSYN3AUPG In-Reply-To: <54E39994.1010109@t-online.de> References: <54E39994.1010109@t-online.de> Message-ID: Mine are "out for delivery" but I ordered mine as soon as the email came out. I had to call to add to the order and the Elecraft sales person laughed when I told her when I ordered it. On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans H Vollmer wrote: > Hi > is there a shipping status for the KSYN3AUPG ? > 73 de Hans, DF5SR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 16:07:21 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] TUNING PULSER In-Reply-To: <1962186599.5289822.1424186520935.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1962186599.5289822.1424186520935.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E3AD89.5080505@embarqmail.com> Bob, What is your "pulser" doing to induce transmit? How is it connected? I am thinking it may be running into a conflict with the way the K3 controls power. After a band change or a change in the requested power, the power output starts out low and then ramps up to the requested level (better than power 'spiking' as some other transceivers are guilty of) - for CW, that should take 2 or 3 dot times, for voice modes how fast it comes up to the requested power depends on the syllabic nature of speech. Is the 100 watts the output of the amp or the output of the K3? The K3 has a "built-in" pulser of sorts - it is the internal keyer. just send a string of dots or dashes. You may want to try using that instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 10:22 AM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > I have what I think is a problem with the K3 or me.. I use a tuning pulser to tune my amp.. I turn the power down to 10 watts output on the K3 key down. If I use the pulser now to adjust the amp the power will go up slowly to over 100 watts.. I have tried either plug on the back of the K3 but get the same results. What do I need to do to get this pulser to work right? 73s Bob W5RG > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 16:09:56 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:09:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <54E39B3D.40806@gmail.com> References: <54E39B3D.40806@gmail.com> Message-ID: That is correct. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA wrote: > Sounds like a bad paint job. If it were mine I'd contact Elecraft and request a new front panel. None of the lettering should scratch off so easily. > > 73, Alan N5NA > > > On 2/17/2015 1:33 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:14:59 -0500 >> From: Joshua Gould >> To: Elecraft List >> Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I was moving my hand from the keyboard to the radio and brushed my >> fingernail against the yellow word tune before realizing that my finger was >> too low to get to the band switches. I managed to scratch the U out of the >> yellow word tune on the front of my case. >> >> Can I expect the rest of the yellow functions to just rub off the face of >> the case? >> >> So far this is my only disappointment in an otherwise excellent radio... >> >> 72, >> Joshua Gould >> K8WXA >> EM89pn >> >> KX3# 7465 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From emoss98133 at msn.com Tue Feb 17 16:18:16 2015 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:18:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424207896068-7598743.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Greg.. I"ll buy the tuner. sent you a e-mail Ed KD7PY ex K7wia -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-tuner-for-sale-tp7598708p7598743.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tposey at nettally.com Tue Feb 17 16:31:02 2015 From: tposey at nettally.com (Terry Posey) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:31:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... Message-ID: <000c01d04af9$08076980$18163c80$@nettally.com> The list "din" over relocating the VFO LINK function off of the SUB RX button seems to have subsided... The following comments are about LINK, and not about the fabulous DIVERSITY function: I am VERY pleased that Elecraft has relocated the VFO LINK function off of the SUB button. Accidental LINK of VFO A/B during at least three major DXpeditions has been a serious problem, which has probably cost numerous DXpedition QSOs. During the heat of DXpedition operations, it is very easy for even a well-seasoned K3 operator to get the critical hold timing on the SUB button wrong enough to enable LINK. Then as the DXpedition operator tunes his SPLIT QSX frequency looking for callers, his own TX frequency moves up and down the band in step per the command of VFO LINK. The pileup becomes totally confused, the QSO rate goes to ZERO, and the DXpedition op does not realize what is happening. Most DXpedition ops are looking at their QSX pileup frequency, not at their TX frequency, and the little blinking decimal point is unnoticed. I have mulled over this K3 LINK function for quite some time. In my 43 years of ham radio operating, I can only think of one situation where I wanted to LINK my TX and RX VFOs: Early AMSAT OSCAR satellites with linear cross-band transponders. But, for those who can find a need for LINK, I am glad that Elecraft has retained that functionality - just not on the SUB button 73, Terry K4RX +++++ Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In diversity mode, the main and sub RX synthesizers are guaranteed to be phase-locked to each other if the crystal filters selected for main and sub both have exactly the same frequency offset. The offset for all 8-pole filters is 0.00. The offset for 5-pole filters varies, and can be ordered in matched sets for main/sub. Wayne N6KR From darren.long at mac.com Tue Feb 17 16:32:34 2015 From: darren.long at mac.com (Darren Long) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:32:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 feature request - locked menu option for ACC2 IO - for tx inhibit Message-ID: <54E3B372.5030502@mac.com> Hi Wayne & co. I have recently been larking about with an MFJ-1707 in the hope of using it to prevent my newish Wellbrook loop from being sent to an early grave by my KX3. I've modified the MFJ-1707 to achieve a closed loop solution triggered by the KX3's keyline output, with the KX3's ACC2 input, set to "HI=Inh", driven by an open collector stage shoved into the 1707's Aux contactor output to invert its logic. This solution was preferable to leaving the ACC2 input set to "LO=Inh" as it was fail-safe in the event of the ACC2 plug coming adrift from the KX3, or in fact any other relevant cable doing the nasty. Now the biggest risk to the loop is if I mis-configure the ACC2 IO menu option. Would it be feasible for this menu option to be locked? I don't expect that there is much call for changing it very often. More waffle about the MFJ-1707 mod can be found here: http://www.g0hww.net/2015/02/rx-antenna-switching-with-kx3-wellbrook.html Cheers, 73 Darren, G0HWW From va3mw at portcredit.net Tue Feb 17 16:32:50 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:32:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: References: <54E39B3D.40806@gmail.com> Message-ID: Instead of complaining here, have you thought about discussing it with Elecraft? No one here can fix your concern, but I am sure they can. Mike va3mw On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > That is correct. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA > wrote: > > > Sounds like a bad paint job. If it were mine I'd contact Elecraft and > request a new front panel. None of the lettering should scratch off so > easily. > > > > 73, Alan N5NA > > > > > > On 2/17/2015 1:33 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:14:59 -0500 > >> From: Joshua Gould > >> To: Elecraft List > >> Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? > >> Message-ID: > >> < > CAHk01bBYzKickkgeBO22QDq7naY+dw9UwwykL4cqCtMt3_V68A at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> > >> I was moving my hand from the keyboard to the radio and brushed my > >> fingernail against the yellow word tune before realizing that my finger > was > >> too low to get to the band switches. I managed to scratch the U out of > the > >> yellow word tune on the front of my case. > >> > >> Can I expect the rest of the yellow functions to just rub off the face > of > >> the case? > >> > >> So far this is my only disappointment in an otherwise excellent radio... > >> > >> 72, > >> Joshua Gould > >> K8WXA > >> EM89pn > >> > >> KX3# 7465 > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Feb 17 17:08:40 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:08:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. Terry W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Phil & Debbie Salas [mailto:dpsalas at tx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . I have to admit. I hate those 2.1mm DC connectors. Most are really not designed for current over 1-amp, though there are expectgions. I wish the KX3 had Powerpoles on it instead! I have Powerpoles all over my ham shack and work bench, and have had no problems. Rather than used those roll-pins, I use a dab of super-glue to hold the connectors together. Phil - AD5X From hms4 at lehigh.edu Tue Feb 17 17:17:58 2015 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob for sale Message-ID: Due to a change in the way I have my K3 installed I am no longer in need of my Pig Knob. It is perfect and a very handy device. I will sell it for $100. including postage to the lower 48 states. Just cover my pay pal fee if paying by that method. Howard Sherer AE3T From droese at necg.de Tue Feb 17 17:27:00 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?windows-1252?Q?Oliver_Dr=F6se?=) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:27:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: References: <54E39B3D.40806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E3C034.9060202@necg.de> Isn't Wayne one of the Elecraft principals? *rotfl* ;-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 17.02.2015 um 22:32 schrieb Michael Walker: > Instead of complaining here, have you thought about discussing it with > Elecraft? > > No one here can fix your concern, but I am sure they can. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> That is correct. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA >> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like a bad paint job. If it were mine I'd contact Elecraft and >> request a new front panel. None of the lettering should scratch off so >> easily. >>> 73, Alan N5NA From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 17:28:58 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> Message-ID: <54E3C0AA.8080503@embarqmail.com> As was pointed out in a prior posts, there are 2 forms of "problems" with the APP connector. One is the retention force of the connector pair - in other words, "it comes unplugged" That problem is usually due to incorrect assembly where the connector blades are not fully seated in the housings. This is the condition that I first responded to. The 2nd "problem" is that the red and black housings become separated, and seems to be the condition that is currently being discussed. This has to do with the roll-pin or toothpick or cotton swab shaft being placed in the hole. I use Super Glue between the red and black housings and have never had a problem. I on occasion use the roll-pin in addition, but I put a drop of super glue on the pin itself before sliding it 'home'. I have never had an APP connector where the 2 housings separate, and the glued roll-pins do not fall out. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 5:08 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. > > Terry W0FM > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 17:44:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (K4ia via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> Message-ID: <54E3C467.3090503@aol.com> And therein lies the problem: First, they may be cute but they ain't cheap Then, you have to buy a special crimper The assembly is tricky (up, down, right, left - did I hear it snap in place or snap in two?) You could try to use a roll pin - oh no, those don't work as designed so you use a broken-off QTip Even with the QTip/roll pin/toothpick, you have to superglue the halves together because they won't hold as designed Then, you have to put a zip tie or tape around them so they don't pull out Plus, they are flimsy plastic so they are prone to breaking The Powerpole is a Mickey Mouse solution in search of a problem. What was wrong with the good old Molex? To keep this on an Elecraft related topic, I just hope these things don't show up on any more wonderful Elecraft equipment. Buck k4ia On 2/17/2015 5:08 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. > > Terry W0FM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil & Debbie Salas [mailto:dpsalas at tx.rr.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . > > I have to admit. I hate those 2.1mm DC connectors. Most are really not designed for current over 1-amp, though there are expectgions. I wish the KX3 had Powerpoles on it instead! I have Powerpoles all over my ham shack and work bench, and have had no problems. Rather than used those roll-pins, I use a dab of super-glue to hold the connectors together. > > Phil - AD5X > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 17:52:55 2015 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (VE3WDM) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:52:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Items up for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424213575795-7598752.post@n2.nabble.com> The LP Pan and E MU 0202, rigrunner 4005 and QRPometer have been sold Mike VE3WDM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Items-up-for-sale-tp7598411p7598752.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 18:08:10 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:08:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Bad Assumptions In-Reply-To: <54E2AAEF.2020506@coho.net> References: <1742746497.4072792.1424140450770.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E2AAEF.2020506@coho.net> Message-ID: <54E3C9DA.8020100@sbcglobal.net> I'm actually old enough to get the Maynard G. Krebs reference. :-( I retired from a software development position in IT after 30+ years. During that time, I was a programmer, systems analyst, database administrator and a systems programmer on IBM mainframes. I was also very active in getting my organization to embrace the PC platform. Until recently, I always bought the latest and greatest PCs from Gateway and Dell. Usually they were more powerful than the ones in my office. Having an electronics background as well as a computer science background, I've been fascinated with applications of computers to ham radio. At first it was simply logging contacts, but now I'm constantly looking into interfacing the radios with the computer. Now, the only thing remaining is to separate myself from the computer and time-wasters like Facebook, so that I can spend more time on the air. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 2/16/2015 6:43 PM, Kevin wrote: > I actively keep a computer out of my shack for one reason: it would be > too much like WORK! (Use your Maynard G. Krebs voice here) I am in > front of a computer all my working day I don't intend to let work > invade my hobby. I drag a laptop into the shack to upgrade my K3's > firmware every few years. I also use it to log my FD contacts. Other > than that the computer is not allowed in the shack. I purchased my K3 > because it sounded like a good idea after using my K2 for so many > years. I could blame Lisa for my purchase but she is far too nice to > be used as an excuse :) > 73, > Kevin. KD5ONS From lists at subich.com Tue Feb 17 18:14:09 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <000c01d04af9$08076980$18163c80$@nettally.com> References: <000c01d04af9$08076980$18163c80$@nettally.com> Message-ID: <54E3CB41.6010909@subich.com> > In my 43 years of ham radio operating, I can only think of one > situation where I wanted to LINK my TX and RX VFOs: Early AMSAT OSCAR > satellites with linear cross-band transponders. Except most of the linear transponders are frequency inverting (to minimize the effect of doppler) and what's needed there is to tune the two VFOs (rigs) in *opposite* directions . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-17 4:31 PM, Terry Posey wrote: > The list "din" over relocating the VFO LINK function off of the SUB RX > button seems to have subsided... The following comments are about LINK, and > not about the fabulous DIVERSITY function: > > I am VERY pleased that Elecraft has relocated the VFO LINK function off of > the SUB button. Accidental LINK of VFO A/B during at least three major > DXpeditions has been a serious problem, which has probably cost numerous > DXpedition QSOs. During the heat of DXpedition operations, it is very easy > for even a well-seasoned K3 operator to get the critical hold timing on the > SUB button wrong enough to enable LINK. Then as the DXpedition operator > tunes his SPLIT QSX frequency looking for callers, his own TX frequency > moves up and down the band in step per the command of VFO LINK. The pileup > becomes totally confused, the QSO rate goes to ZERO, and the DXpedition op > does not realize what is happening. Most DXpedition ops are looking at > their QSX pileup frequency, not at their TX frequency, and the little > blinking decimal point is unnoticed. > > I have mulled over this K3 LINK function for quite some time. In my 43 > years of ham radio operating, I can only think of one situation where I > wanted to LINK my TX and RX VFOs: Early AMSAT OSCAR satellites with linear > cross-band transponders. But, for those who can find a need for LINK, I am > glad that Elecraft has retained that functionality - just not on the SUB > button > > 73, > Terry K4RX > From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 18:27:33 2015 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:27:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing KX3 VFO Message-ID: I have the KX3 with the non ball bearing VFO and I am going to be placing an order with Elecraft for the new synthesizer board for my K3 and if the KX3 ball bearing VFO is a good mod to do then I will include that in my order as well ? Mike Weir VE3WDM From wes at triconet.org Tue Feb 17 18:29:41 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: <54E3C467.3090503@aol.com> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com><010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> <54E3C467.3090503@aol.com> Message-ID: <54E3CEE5.3090407@triconet.org> Can we get an AMEN? On 2/17/2015 3:44 PM, K4ia via Elecraft wrote: > And therein lies the problem: > First, they may be cute but they ain't cheap > Then, you have to buy a special crimper > The assembly is tricky (up, down, right, left - did I hear it snap in place or > snap in two?) > You could try to use a roll pin - oh no, those don't work as designed so you > use a broken-off QTip > Even with the QTip/roll pin/toothpick, you have to superglue the halves > together because they won't hold as designed > Then, you have to put a zip tie or tape around them so they don't pull out > Plus, they are flimsy plastic so they are prone to breaking > > The Powerpole is a Mickey Mouse solution in search of a problem. What was > wrong with the good old Molex? > > To keep this on an Elecraft related topic, I just hope these things don't show > up on any more wonderful Elecraft equipment. > > Buck > From lew at n6lew.us Tue Feb 17 18:33:10 2015 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:33:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: <54E3C0AA.8080503@embarqmail.com> References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> <54E3C0AA.8080503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: There is a third potential problem with APP connectors; they aren?t completely ?reverse polarity? protected. Several years ago, I stupidly plugged the APP cable into the back of my K3 ?by feel? rather than by looking. I offset the alignment, and plugged the red plug from the cable (hot) into the black APP connector on the rig. Since I had grounded the K3 like a good boy. that created a reverse-polarity power situation that fried several components and resulted in a trip to Aptos for my K3. There are two ways to resolve this problem. One is to never, ever plug an APP set into a piece of equipment without visually checking to make sure you are aligned ?red to red, black to black.? It?s also possible to mate the APP connectors so that you can?t plug red into black (by rotating the red plug 90? on both the rig and the power cable. I?ve come to rely on the former solution, but have seriously contemplated equipment modifications to do the latter. All that said, I am a steadfast supporter of APP connector technology. For all the reasons cited in other posts, I think it?s superior to every other power connector on the market. And contrary to some posts, it doesn?t require an ?expensive special tool? to crimp the pins. onto wires. There are several low-cost ?pliers-like? crimpers on the market, including the Gardner-Bender GS-88 ($10) that do a good job at a modest price. And speaking of crimping tools, for those who prefer crimped lugs to solder, Harbor Freight?s hydraulic crimping tool (Item 66150) is a real gem for crimping lugs onto large wires (AWG 8 and bigger.) It isn?t cheap, but it makes a perfectly formed (and very secure) crimp in copper and other lugs typically used on large-gauge wires. It does a good job on smaller sizes, too, although it?s somewhat cumbersome to use compared with other crimpers that work well on AWG 12 and smaller wire sizes. Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > On Feb 17, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > As was pointed out in a prior posts, there are 2 forms of "problems" with the APP connector. > One is the retention force of the connector pair - in other words, "it comes unplugged" > That problem is usually due to incorrect assembly where the connector blades are not fully seated in the housings. This is the condition that I first responded to. > > The 2nd "problem" is that the red and black housings become separated, and seems to be the condition that is currently being discussed. This has to do with the roll-pin or toothpick or cotton swab shaft being placed in the hole. I use Super Glue between the red and black housings and have never had a problem. I on occasion use the roll-pin in addition, but I put a drop of super glue on the pin itself before sliding it 'home'. I have never had an APP connector where the 2 housings separate, and the glued roll-pins do not fall out. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 5:08 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. >> >> Terry W0FM >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > From gadgetlust at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 18:36:19 2015 From: gadgetlust at gmail.com (Bob Harvey - K2PI) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:36:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX cops on frequency. Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. 73 Harv K2PI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Feb 17 18:38:46 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:38:46 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Connectors and Murphy Message-ID: <201502172338.t1HNckoO095602@denali.acsalaska.net> After some apparently misguided use of connectors in my ham station, I am convinced the less their use the better is reliability. Only high reliability connector is the barrier strip connector. I used some multi-pin connectors for some of my control cables at the wall entrance plate and no longer will do that. Cables will come from the barrier strip at tower top to the barrier strip on the back of the radio table. Crimp connectors are used. For absolute reliable connection both crimped and soldered. I used some sub-D9, sub-d15 and sub-D25 connectors (Often referred to DB9, DB15 and DB25). Nearly always the source of intermittent connections (I thought they would be handy for removing the control panel). Coax connectors are more reliable but...not foolproof if there is any mechanical strain on the cables. I have pulled apart any number of crimp-style BNC, N, sma, and TNC connectors. The mechanical clamped shield style are much better for both strain and sealing. Many an old-timer eme operator will tell that soldering coax direct without connectors is the only way to assure trouble free connections (I haven't quite done that - yet). I used a bunch of bulkhead coax adapters Female-Female where all my coax enter from outside thru a 1/4-inch thick aluminum plate. It is a good way to have them grounded to the ground rod, but...I have had several go bad (mostly due to moisture and corrosion). Commercial installations don't do this; cable are run continuously from antenna to radio (if possible) or use a flexible coax jumper if feedline is very large (like 1-5/8 inch Heliax). But every coax connection is a potential problem. Power-Pole connectors are not going to be used by me except where I must (the K3). The dc power connectors on my DEMI transverters are super. They push-twist to connect and I can pickup the transverter with the power cord and swing it around with no disconnect (wires are connected with set screws and cable strain is held with threaded back shell clamp. I mistakenly installed Power-Poles on my HB 120w HF amp and it does click in and hold fairly well but it will not stay if I pickup the amp and pull against the restrained power cord (the K3 with factory assembled PP cable disconnects by simply moving the radio). Don't write me about them - I seen this topic hashed to death several times over 5-years I have been subscribed to Elecraft List. I just don't like them - end of conversation. I am redesigning my station control unit (panel) and it will be done with modular pc boards with soldered relays and (few) soldered jumper wires. Only connector will be barrier strips. I have way too much haywire in my current control unit and the relay board I adapted has relays and pc traces which will not handle over 50ma (ugh)...big mistake (tried to save money). It so full of work around's and patches, its miracle if it works at all. Time to replace - not fix. Murphy loves connectors! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 18:38:55 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing KX3 VFO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E3D10F.60603@embarqmail.com> Mike, That decision is up to you. A good part of me says "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but the other side says you should install the upgrades. As for my KX3 (first one off the production line), I have no trouble with the VFO, so until I experience problems with it, it will stay just as I received it. That is not to say that the upgraded VFO is not an improvement, but I don't find any problem with mine as it is. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 6:27 PM, Mike Weir wrote: > I have the KX3 with the non ball bearing VFO and I am going to be placing an order with Elecraft for the new synthesizer board for my K3 and if the KX3 ball bearing VFO is a good mod to do then I will include that in my order as well ? > Mike Weir > VE3WDM > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 19:01:36 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1075542406.2718.1424217696110.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Actually what I do on the power distribution boxes I build is to recess the power poles. It makes it nearly impossible to insert the connector wrong. I have a small rectangle with a hole in the center for the power pole that I plan tomount on the back of my K3 to prevent the possibility of the plug being inserted wrong. a 5 cent piece of plastic could save a whole lot of trouble From: Lewis Phelps To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute There is a third potential problem with APP connectors;? they aren?t completely ?reverse polarity? protected. Several years ago, I stupidly plugged the APP cable into the back of my K3 ?by feel? rather than by looking.? I offset the alignment, and plugged the red plug from the cable (hot) into the black APP connector on the rig.? Since I had grounded the K3 like a good boy. that created a reverse-polarity power situation that fried several components and resulted in a trip to Aptos for my K3. There are two ways to resolve this problem.? One is to never, ever plug an APP set into a piece of equipment without visually checking to make sure you are aligned ?red to red, black to black.?? It?s also possible to mate the APP connectors so that you can?t plug red into black (by rotating the red plug 90? on both the rig and the power cable. I?ve come to rely on the former solution, but have seriously contemplated equipment modifications to do the latter. All that said, I am a steadfast supporter of APP connector technology. For all the reasons cited in other posts, I think it?s superior to every other power connector on the market. And contrary to some posts, it doesn?t require an ?expensive special tool? to crimp the pins. onto wires. There are several low-cost ?pliers-like? crimpers on the market, including the Gardner-Bender GS-88 ($10) that do a good job at a modest price. And speaking of crimping tools, for those who prefer crimped lugs to solder, Harbor Freight?s hydraulic crimping tool (Item 66150) is a real gem for crimping lugs onto large wires (AWG 8 and bigger.) It isn?t cheap, but it makes a perfectly formed (and very secure) crimp in copper and other lugs typically used on large-gauge wires.? It does a good job on smaller sizes, too, although it?s somewhat cumbersome to use compared with other crimpers that work well on AWG 12 and smaller wire sizes. Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > On Feb 17, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > As was pointed out in a prior posts, there are 2 forms of "problems" with the APP connector. > One is the retention force of the connector pair - in other words, "it comes unplugged" > That problem is usually due to incorrect assembly where the connector blades are not fully seated in the housings.? This is the condition that I first responded to. > > The 2nd "problem" is that the red and black housings become separated, and seems to be the condition that is currently being discussed.? This has to do with the roll-pin or toothpick or cotton swab shaft being placed in the hole.? I use Super Glue between the red and black housings and have never had a problem.? I on occasion use the roll-pin in addition, but I put a drop of super glue on the pin itself before sliding it 'home'.? I have never had an APP connector where the 2 housings separate, and the glued roll-pins do not fall out. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 5:08 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. >> >> Terry W0FM >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Tue Feb 17 19:06:31 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:06:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> > Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me > know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with *THREE* separate indicators: 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: > Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift > the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I > cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply > forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX > cops on frequency. > > Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am > in split operation, sure would be nice. > > 73 > Harv > K2PI > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Feb 17 19:17:55 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m? Message-ID: What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use. Thanks Jim ab3cv From hms4 at lehigh.edu Tue Feb 17 19:21:02 2015 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:21:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig knob sold Message-ID: <6381098789149611931@unknownmsgid> Howard Sherer From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Feb 17 19:29:24 2015 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:29:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3-Winwarbler and AFSK Message-ID: <444387E7-EC02-40EA-8844-B39807D5E8CA@widomaker.com> With so many K3's out there you'd think the writers of DX LABS SUITE would have a setting for AFSK A in the RTTY setup. When I try to configure it the program tells me that DXL is set for AFSK but my radio is set to FSK D. Well I can't find an option to set AFSK A in DXL. I'm sure there is a simple solution but it has alluded me for a very long time. It seems to me that when a user selects radio as "K3" the program should know what settings are available on a K3. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 19:35:36 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:35:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> Message-ID: I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. > > The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with > *THREE* separate indicators: > > 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display > 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon > 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. > > Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since > VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >> cops on frequency. >> >> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >> in split operation, sure would be nice. >> >> 73 >> Harv >> K2PI >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 19:38:04 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:38:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> Message-ID: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. Wayne On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. > > However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> >>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. >> >> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with >> *THREE* separate indicators: >> >> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display >> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon >> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. >> >> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since >> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >>> cops on frequency. >>> >>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >>> in split operation, sure would be nice. >>> >>> 73 >>> Harv >>> K2PI >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Feb 17 19:49:15 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:49:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? Message-ID: As long as UI changes are in the wind I wonder if the current SPLIT button could optionally be made programmable? If so I would implement the single button version of the UP 1 A>>B Split toggle that someone had published here so as to free up my PF1 and PF2 buttons. Actually I'm planning to program the PF1 button to the toggle version anyway but it would be nice to put it on the SPLIT button. Perhaps a Config option? 73 jim ab3cv From daleputnam at hotmail.com Tue Feb 17 19:49:24 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:49:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> , <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> Message-ID: Someone opened the door.. and here comes the flood... some for.. some staunchly against. I would like to suggest something that would make the tirade a giant leap more tolerable., Please: IF you like the PP.. then make a point of saying why specifically. IF you DO NOT like the PP.. make a better connector, then describe it, so we can all benefit. Tell us specifically what is wrong.. and what needs to be done to correct that specific problem. My interest? Making something better... improving "stuff"... and ultimately, not wearing out my delete key. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 19:49:46 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:49:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E3E1AA.4020302@gmail.com> I'm used to it the way it is now. If I don't notice the SPLIT on the display and the YELLOW delta, the up cops remind me posthaste. :o) Rick wa6nhc On 2/17/2015 4:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Wayne > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. >> >> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? >> >> Wayne >> N6KR From n6ll at pacbell.net Tue Feb 17 19:50:01 2015 From: n6ll at pacbell.net (Paul Gordon N6LL) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] More Power Pole. . Roll Pin substitute In-Reply-To: References: <54E36A64.2090103@tx.rr.com> <010001d04afe$49e90160$ddbb0420$@net> <54E3C0AA.8080503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E3E1B9.4030303@pacbell.net> Amen. ( you stole my thunder, Harry. :-) Another way to resolve the offset alignment problem is to have a mechanical stop which keeps the connector from mating when it is offset. The panel can be the stop if the connector is recessed to be flush with the panel, and the hole is the right size. Alternatively, a bolt or standoff on either end of the panel connector pair can act as a stop and a guide. This solution does not address cable-to-cable connections. I suspect the APP solution would be to use three housings on cables, red in the middle, black on one end, and a dummy blocking pin glued into the other. They sell long spacers which could be used for the blocking pin. 73, Paul N6LL Still recovering from the 2-pin Jones which the local club wired backwards... On 2/17/2015 3:33 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > There is a third potential problem with APP connectors; they aren?t completely ?reverse polarity? protected. Several years ago, I stupidly plugged the APP cable into the back of my K3 ?by feel? rather than by looking. I offset the alignment, and plugged the red plug from the cable (hot) into the black APP connector on the rig. Since I had grounded the K3 like a good boy. that created a reverse-polarity power situation that fried several components and resulted in a trip to Aptos for my K3. > > There are two ways to resolve this problem. One is to never, ever plug an APP set into a piece of equipment without visually checking to make sure you are aligned ?red to red, black to black.? It?s also possible to mate the APP connectors so that you can?t plug red into black (by rotating the red plug 90? on both the rig and the power cable. I?ve come to rely on the former solution, but have seriously contemplated equipment modifications to do the latter. > > All that said, I am a steadfast supporter of APP connector technology. For all the reasons cited in other posts, I think it?s superior to every other power connector on the market. And contrary to some posts, it doesn?t require an ?expensive special tool? to crimp the pins. onto wires. There are several low-cost ?pliers-like? crimpers on the market, including the Gardner-Bender GS-88 ($10) that do a good job at a modest price. > > And speaking of crimping tools, for those who prefer crimped lugs to solder, Harbor Freight?s hydraulic crimping tool (Item 66150) is a real gem for crimping lugs onto large wires (AWG 8 and bigger.) It isn?t cheap, but it makes a perfectly formed (and very secure) crimp in copper and other lugs typically used on large-gauge wires. It does a good job on smaller sizes, too, although it?s somewhat cumbersome to use compared with other crimpers that work well on AWG 12 and smaller wire sizes. > > > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > > > > > >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> As was pointed out in a prior posts, there are 2 forms of "problems" with the APP connector. >> One is the retention force of the connector pair - in other words, "it comes unplugged" >> That problem is usually due to incorrect assembly where the connector blades are not fully seated in the housings. This is the condition that I first responded to. >> >> The 2nd "problem" is that the red and black housings become separated, and seems to be the condition that is currently being discussed. This has to do with the roll-pin or toothpick or cotton swab shaft being placed in the hole. I use Super Glue between the red and black housings and have never had a problem. I on occasion use the roll-pin in addition, but I put a drop of super glue on the pin itself before sliding it 'home'. I have never had an APP connector where the 2 housings separate, and the glued roll-pins do not fall out. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/17/2015 5:08 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: >>> Similar to Phil's approach, rather than using the metal roll pin, I break off a wooden toothpick in the retention hole and put a drop of super glue on the toothpick. >>> >>> Terry W0FM >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6ll at arrl.net From lists at subich.com Tue Feb 17 19:51:36 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3-Winwarbler and AFSK In-Reply-To: <444387E7-EC02-40EA-8844-B39807D5E8CA@widomaker.com> References: <444387E7-EC02-40EA-8844-B39807D5E8CA@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <54E3E218.4020708@subich.com> On 2015-02-17 7:29 PM, Nr4c wrote: > With so many K3's out there you'd think the writers of DX LABS SUITE > would have a setting for AFSK A in the RTTY setup. When I try to > configure it the program tells me that DXL is set for AFSK but my > radio is set to FSK D. Well I can't find an option to set AFSK A in > DXL. With K3 selected for the radio type, you will find a box marked "RTTY sub-mode" in the *lower right* of the RADIO field of Commander's CONFIG | General tab. If you are using AFSK_A, select AFSK *there* in addition to selecting AFSK LSB in the Modulation and transceiver mode field of WinWarbler's CONFIG | RTTY tab. By selecting AFSK in COMMANDER, AFSK A will be selected whenever you select RTTY mode. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-17 7:29 PM, Nr4c wrote: > With so many K3's out there you'd think the writers of DX LABS SUITE > would have a setting for AFSK A in the RTTY setup. When I try to > configure it the program tells me that DXL is set for AFSK but my > radio is set to FSK D. Well I can't find an option to set AFSK A in > DXL. > > I'm sure there is a simple solution but it has alluded me for a very > long time. > > It seems to me that when a user selects radio as "K3" the program > should know what settings are available on a K3. > > Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From gdanner at windstream.net Tue Feb 17 19:58:47 2015 From: gdanner at windstream.net (George Danner) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:58:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com>, <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> Message-ID: <0D06B7A20F6645AA8512427B14791B27@OfficeDeskTop> Sign on the shop wall: Don't Need Any Problems (I have Enough of My Own) Solutions Are Always Welcome 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Dale Putnam Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors Someone opened the door.. and here comes the flood... some for.. some staunchly against. I would like to suggest something that would make the tirade a giant leap more tolerable., Please: IF you like the PP.. then make a point of saying why specifically. IF you DO NOT like the PP.. make a better connector, then describe it, so we can all benefit. Tell us specifically what is wrong.. and what needs to be done to correct that specific problem. My interest? Making something better... improving "stuff"... and ultimately, not wearing out my delete key. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gdanner at windstream.net From lists at subich.com Tue Feb 17 20:00:43 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same frequency ! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate feedback". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Wayne > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. >> >> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >> >>> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. >>> >>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with >>> *THREE* separate indicators: >>> >>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display >>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon >>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. >>> >>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since >>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >>>> cops on frequency. >>>> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >>>> in split operation, sure would be nice. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Harv >>>> K2PI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 20:24:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing KX3 VFO Message-ID: I too have been debating on whether or not to upgrade the VFO on my KX3 s/n #3237. Right now I have the SideKX panels and plastic cover with the stock knob which I primarily use when operating "from the field" in my backyard. This combination works well for the field use as the VFO has more friction and the stock knob fits under the plastic cover. I also have the 73cnc.com black knob w/ball bearing finger dimple THAT I LOVE, but the plastic cover won't fit over it, but for desk operation I would prefer that knob with the upgraded VFO to spin up and down the bands! So now I'm trying to justify a second KX3 with the upgraded VFO and the larger ball bearing finger dimple knob for use in the shack. Decisions, decisions............ Mike AC6JA In a message dated 2/17/2015 3:46:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, w3fpr at embarqmail.com writes: Mike, That decision is up to you. A good part of me says "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but the other side says you should install the upgrades. As for my KX3 (first one off the production line), I have no trouble with the VFO, so until I experience problems with it, it will stay just as I received it. That is not to say that the upgraded VFO is not an improvement, but I don't find any problem with mine as it is. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 6:27 PM, Mike Weir wrote: > I have the KX3 with the non ball bearing VFO and I am going to be placing an order with Elecraft for the new synthesizer board for my K3 and if the KX3 ball bearing VFO is a good mod to do then I will include that in my order as well ? > Mike Weir > VE3WDM > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac6ja at aol.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Feb 17 20:38:07 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate SPLIT is turned on. I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the "up cops". 73, Don W3FPR On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Wayne > > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Feb 17 20:51:17 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:51:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Maybe add speech recognition to the DSP code, so it can recognize when the DX station says it's working split, the radio will refuse to transmit on VFO A. On 2/17/2015 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate > SPLIT is turned on. > I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - > because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the > "up cops". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne From will at ravenel.us Tue Feb 17 21:08:35 2015 From: will at ravenel.us (Will Ravenel) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: <670517B8-85BD-4003-9593-2555139381F6@ravenel.us> I use MacLoggerDX for my logging program and it automatically applies split to my K3 when selecting a frequency that is spotted as working split. Works great for hunting DX but you?re on your own again in a contest where using spotting aids is not allowed. In this case I?ve become accustomed to looking for the VFO B marker in the P3 display to be sure I?ve got split applied. Will, AI4VE From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 17 21:10:54 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:10:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing KX3 VFO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E3F4AE.2010808@socal.rr.com> Love it: "So now I'm trying to justify a second KX3 with the upgraded VFO and the larger ball bearing finger dimple knob for use in the shack." -- buy a new KX3 so you can have a larger knob. Next will be a new car so you can have larger wheels -- Hmm, why didn't I think of that? :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/17/15 5:24 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft wrote: > I too have been debating on whether or not to upgrade the VFO on my KX3 s/n > #3237. > Right now I have the SideKX panels and plastic cover with the stock knob > which I primarily use when operating "from the field" in my backyard. > This combination works well for the field use as the VFO has more friction > and the stock knob fits under the plastic cover. > I also have the 73cnc.com black knob w/ball bearing finger dimple THAT I > LOVE, but the plastic cover won't fit over it, but for desk operation I > would prefer that knob with the upgraded VFO to spin up and down the bands! > So now I'm trying to justify a second KX3 with the upgraded VFO and the > larger ball bearing finger dimple knob for use in the shack. > Decisions, decisions............ > > Mike AC6JA > > > In a message dated 2/17/2015 3:46:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > w3fpr at embarqmail.com writes: > > Mike, > > That decision is up to you. A good part of me says "if it ain't broke, > don't fix it", but the other side says you should install the upgrades. > As for my KX3 (first one off the production line), I have no trouble > with the VFO, so until I experience problems with it, it will stay just > as I received it. > > That is not to say that the upgraded VFO is not an improvement, but I > don't find any problem with mine as it is. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 6:27 PM, Mike Weir wrote: >> I have the KX3 with the non ball bearing VFO and I am going to be > placing an order with Elecraft for the new synthesizer board for my K3 and if the > KX3 ball bearing VFO is a good mod to do then I will include that in my > order as well ? >> Mike Weir >> VE3WDM From gadgetlust at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 21:17:07 2015 From: gadgetlust at gmail.com (Bob Harvey - K2PI) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:17:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Please let it die. I know now that I was just terribly wrong to ask for a feature that the experts here agree had already been implemented correctly. Let it rest. K2PI On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT [via Elecraft] < ml-node+s365791n7598779h59 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > Maybe add speech recognition to the DSP code, so it can recognize when > the DX station says it's working split, the radio will refuse to > transmit on VFO A. > > On 2/17/2015 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate > > SPLIT is turned on. > > I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - > > because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the > > "up cops". > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" > >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't > >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split > TX. > >> > >> Wayne > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598779.html > To unsubscribe from Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on > keydown, click here > > . > NAML > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598782.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wb6rse1 at mac.com Tue Feb 17 21:16:49 2015 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:16:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <670517B8-85BD-4003-9593-2555139381F6@ravenel.us> References: <670517B8-85BD-4003-9593-2555139381F6@ravenel.us> Message-ID: THE simplest solution is for the op to just simply pay attention. Steve WB6RSE From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 21:21:49 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <670517B8-85BD-4003-9593-2555139381F6@ravenel.us> Message-ID: <97656EEE-032C-4D4D-AD90-F5D324FE32DB@elecraft.com> That's always a worthy goal. But if enough users have trouble keeping track of a particular state, it's incumbent on the UI designer to come up with a better indication. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:16 PM, wb6rse1 at mac.com wrote: > THE simplest solution is for the op to just simply pay attention. > > Steve WB6RSE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 21:29:30 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:29:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> , <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> Message-ID: <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> We've weighed the pros and cons of APP connectors on multiple occasions, done careful testing and measurements, etc., and on balance we feel that APP is the best option. Not to cut off debate, but I'm just sayin'.... I know of one gentleman who soldered wires to the RF PCB and attached a connector of his choice, outside the box. To each his own! 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > Someone opened the door.. and here comes the flood... > some for.. some staunchly against. > I would like to suggest something that would make the tirade a giant leap > more tolerable., Please: > IF you like the PP.. then make a point of saying why specifically. > IF you DO NOT like the PP.. make a better connector, then describe it, so we can > all benefit. Tell us specifically what is wrong.. and what needs to be done to correct that > specific problem. > > My interest? Making something better... improving "stuff"... and ultimately, not wearing out my delete key. > > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Feb 17 21:31:14 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:31:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E3F972.5060606@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,2/17/2015 4:17 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception on 160m? I'd guess as many options as there are stations. :) It all depends on what is available. Remember that one of the major reasons for diversity is that the antennas be spatially separated from each other to neutralize the effects of selective fading. When we receive both a direct and reflected signal from the DX station, the two arrivals can be more nearly in phase at one antenna location when they are more out of phase at the other antenna. That's not the only reason for diversity, of course, but it's a major one. Some hams believe that differently polarized antennas should be used, or that one antenna have a high angle major lobe and the other have a low angle major lobe. Some of the best 160M ops I know rearrange their stations for 160M events by bringing all of their antennas to a big patch panel so they can switch between them to RX any signal that they're trying to work. It is well known, for example, that signals for a given path may be high angle at one part of the opening and low angle at another time. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 17 21:31:24 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:31:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can't change the behavior of the SPLIT switch itself (that would bring our support department to its collective knees), but you can create a custom SPLIT macro of arbitrary complexity and assign it any of the K3's 10 programmable function switches. See examples in the K3 & KX3 Programmer's Reference. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > As long as UI changes are in the wind I wonder if the current SPLIT button > could optionally be made programmable? If so I would implement the single > button version of the UP 1 A>>B Split toggle that someone had published > here so as to free up my PF1 and PF2 buttons. > > Actually I'm planning to program the PF1 button to the toggle version > anyway but it would be nice to put it on the SPLIT button. > > Perhaps a Config option? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 17 21:46:43 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dennis W0JX via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:46:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 160M Diversity Antennas Message-ID: <1424227603.41543.YahooMailBasic@web162605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have been using diversity receive on 160M since Spring 2010. At first, I used two different beverages. One beverage into the main RX antenna input and a second beverage into the AUX input for the sub RX. This arrangement produced a marginal improvement in reception. In December 2012, I completed installation of a Hi-Z 4 square system. This RX 4 square is fed into the sub receiver's AUX input. Reception improved significantly as long as both antennas can pick up the desired DX signal. Current arrangement allows inputting one of three beverages or a flag antenna into the main RX input and the Hi-Z four square into the AUX input for the sub RX. I use this receive antenna setup up through 30 meters. Again, I have found that to get benefit from the diversity receive feature, both receive antennas must be able to detect the desired signal. The inverted L would tend to be a poor diversity antenna on 160 unless a station is located in a very quiet location. I cannot imagine ever going back to a receive situation where diversity would not be available to me. 73, Dennis W0JX Milan, OH From va3mw at portcredit.net Tue Feb 17 21:51:27 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I use APP's with great success. Yes, I wish they were a little more firm in their locking, but I do like the speed of crimping. However, as I move forward, I will be switching to Dean's connectors or XT60's only for the fact they don't require an expensive crimper and they are very inexpensive. Mike va3mw From phystad at mac.com Tue Feb 17 22:39:18 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:39:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors. I think they are great. Never had a problem after I learned how to put them together. I have a APP crimping tool that makes it a lot easier for that part of the work. I think the key to success is making sure that the wires and the little metal tabs are pushed all the way in until you know they lock in and also making sure that you wire the red/black conductors on the correct left/right orientation to correctly fit all of the equipment. No need to change -- my whole shack is now APP wired with a couple of power strips feeding off their own power supplies. 73, phil K7PEH P.S. The connectors that I really hate with a passion are those MOLEX connectors that ICOM likes to use for Power. If and when I become dictator of the world, we will burn all of the MOLEX connectors on the planet. I dumped all my ICOM gear because of those MOLEX connectors -- of course, I had bought the entire K-Line by then. > On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > We've weighed the pros and cons of APP connectors on multiple occasions, done careful testing and measurements, etc., and on balance we feel that APP is the best option. Not to cut off debate, but I'm just sayin'.... > > I know of one gentleman who soldered wires to the RF PCB and attached a connector of his choice, outside the box. To each his own! > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > >> Someone opened the door.. and here comes the flood... >> some for.. some staunchly against. >> I would like to suggest something that would make the tirade a giant leap >> more tolerable., Please: >> IF you like the PP.. then make a point of saying why specifically. >> IF you DO NOT like the PP.. make a better connector, then describe it, so we can >> all benefit. Tell us specifically what is wrong.. and what needs to be done to correct that >> specific problem. >> >> My interest? Making something better... improving "stuff"... and ultimately, not wearing out my delete key. >> >> >> Have a great day, >> >> >> --... ...-- >> Dale - WC7S in Wy >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Feb 17 22:46:06 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:46:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E40AFE.1030700@foothill.net> Joe is right Wayne, you've done a good job, LATFD [look at the ... display!] Chasing K1N, I had N1MM running to send for me at 35 WPM, and it puts a big SPLIT! in front of me. That helped too. But if you're going to change things, on another subject, I'd like you to put my Sweepstakes exchange into VFO B when I'm operating in that SSB contest and step on the footswitch. I can never remember it quickly enough. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/17/2015 4:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" > during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't > mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split > TX. > > Wayne From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 00:03:17 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:03:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> Message-ID: Because the is no locking mechanism to keep them connected; far too easy to pull apart. Not the black/red paired pieces, what they mate to. A lock like used in the auto industry connectors would improve them immensely. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors. 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From challinan at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 00:25:15 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:25:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Cut off debate on this list? Hah! Impossible. ;) I'm the one who started this iteration of the APP debate, because I am experiencing issues with them. In my initial post on the subject, I reported that even a very slight movement of the radio kills power. Tonight I've carefully inspected my cable and the connectors, and the more I look, the less I like. On the cable end, I might not have had the contact fully engaged on the black side, we'll see. It clicked when I pushed it further. But it wasn't obvious to my eye. But on the radio, the connectors on my brandy new K3 are loose. I can move them from side to side, and the black one actually slides towards the inside by about 1/32 of an inch or so when I mate them. I can literally move them from side to side. I've taken a short video, but don't want to attach it to this list posting. Perhaps I'll send it to support in a dedicated e-mail, or to anyone else directly if you're interested. Is this movement of the RF board-mounted connectors normal? If so, I'll live with it, and do what I can to make the connection more robust. If I could get a locking pin into the connector without taking the entire radio apart, I will do that, and that would help keep the pair on the RF board more rigid. I bought some of those, too. Thanks for all the helpful advice. Regards, Chris K1AY On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We've weighed the pros and cons of APP connectors on multiple occasions, done careful testing and measurements, etc., and on balance we feel that APP is the best option. Not to cut off debate, but I'm just sayin'.... > > I know of one gentleman who soldered wires to the RF PCB and attached a connector of his choice, outside the box. To each his own! > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > >> Someone opened the door.. and here comes the flood... >> some for.. some staunchly against. >> I would like to suggest something that would make the tirade a giant leap >> more tolerable., Please: >> IF you like the PP.. then make a point of saying why specifically. >> IF you DO NOT like the PP.. make a better connector, then describe it, so we can >> all benefit. Tell us specifically what is wrong.. and what needs to be done to correct that >> specific problem. >> >> My interest? Making something better... improving "stuff"... and ultimately, not wearing out my delete key. >> >> >> Have a great day, >> >> >> --... ...-- >> Dale - WC7S in Wy >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 00:30:39 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:30:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing KX3 VFO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424237439.14509.8.camel@gmail.com> I found the ball-bearing VFO to be a great upgrade. I like a VFO that that moves very freely and for me the upgrade was like Night and day. On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 18:27 -0500, Mike Weir wrote: > I have the KX3 with the non ball bearing VFO and I am going to be placing an order with Elecraft for the new synthesizer board for my K3 and if the KX3 ball bearing VFO is a good mod to do then I will include that in my order as well ? > Mike Weir > VE3WDM > -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:02:16 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> I know it's true, but I don't see WHY the receivers need to be phase-locked. After all, the signals are entirely separate until they are combined in your head. There isn't a question of interference/ reinforcement at RF. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 17, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > In diversity mode, the main and sub RX synthesizers are guaranteed to be phase-locked to each other if the crystal filters selected for main and sub both have exactly the same frequency offset. The offset for all 8-pole filters is 0.00. The offset for 5-pole filters varies, and can be ordered in matched sets for main/sub. > > Wayne > N6KR From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 01:08:45 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:08:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 01:09:08 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:09:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> Message-ID: <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9@elecraft.com> Diversity reception is characterized by perceived "phase precessing" between the two receivers' audio streams due to varying phases of the main and sub RF input signals. You don't want additional, unpredictable phase precessing on top of that due to the receivers themselves. Additive phase changes would sometimes make diversity reception less pleasant to listen to. Better to have the receivers locked together, eliminating a variable. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I know it's true, but I don't see WHY the receivers need to be phase-locked. After all, the signals are entirely separate until they are combined in your head. There isn't a question of interference/ reinforcement at RF. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> In diversity mode, the main and sub RX synthesizers are guaranteed to be phase-locked to each other if the crystal filters selected for main and sub both have exactly the same frequency offset. The offset for all 8-pole filters is 0.00. The offset for 5-pole filters varies, and can be ordered in matched sets for main/sub. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n1al at sonic.net Wed Feb 18 01:16:32 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:16:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9@elecraft.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E42E40.10108@sonic.net> If the two receivers' local oscillators were even a fraction of a Hz different in frequency, the perceived "direction" of the incoming signal would be constantly changing, which I think would be disconcerting. Alan N1AL On 02/17/2015 10:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Diversity reception is characterized by perceived "phase precessing" between the two receivers' audio streams due to varying phases of the main and sub RF input signals. You don't want additional, unpredictable phase precessing on top of that due to the receivers themselves. Additive phase changes would sometimes make diversity reception less pleasant to listen to. Better to have the receivers locked together, eliminating a variable. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > >> I know it's true, but I don't see WHY the receivers need to be phase-locked. After all, the signals are entirely separate until they are combined in your head. There isn't a question of interference/ reinforcement at RF. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> In diversity mode, the main and sub RX synthesizers are guaranteed to be phase-locked to each other if the crystal filters selected for main and sub both have exactly the same frequency offset. The offset for all 8-pole filters is 0.00. The offset for 5-pole filters varies, and can be ordered in matched sets for main/sub. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 01:17:04 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:17:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From djcarohmer at ntin.net Wed Feb 18 01:38:31 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:38:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) 73, Dwayne WV5I On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 01:48:27 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:48:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> Message-ID: <0F4220E2-A08F-4FF4-86AF-6F260DC2CABB@elecraft.com> I like it. Wayne On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: >> >>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >>> -- >>> Thanks and 73's, >>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >>> www.nk7z.net >>> for MixW support see; >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >>> for Dopplergram information see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >>> for MM-SSTV see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Feb 18 03:05:02 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:05:02 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> Message-ID: <2015218852.929099@Shack> I would like to have the ability to see the split as a Delta frequency display. It is a feature on my old TS180S that I miss on the K3. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:38:31 -0600, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: >> >>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >>> -- >>> Thanks and 73's, >>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >>> www.nk7z.net >>> for MixW support see; >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >>> for Dopplergram information see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >>> for MM-SSTV see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 18 03:13:06 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:13:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E44992.40205@ntlworld.com> Chris, I had this issue with both of my KX3 #1082 and #2334 after using on and off for about 12 months on DX trips from beaches where they get used with the connectors being done/undone over and over. The power barrel connector on the later model numbers (Elecraft will have to advise) are not just soldered to the PCB but the body is glued as well, the earlier ones were just soldered, what they told me at the time. They sent me replacements which I fitted, and glued down as well. There was not enough room to drill and cable tie too which i had considered.... Anyway it means that nearly ALL the 'strength' is in the connection to the PCB tracks, there is no use of the KX3 chassis to secure it etc ... not good if you are rough in any way. Even an 'oops', snagging the DC cable and pulling the KX3 etc or bang against the DC connection might cause a problem. I ended up doing this (might be what Wayne referred to).... used a small square tab of velcro and attached the smooth (not the hooky side) under the KX3 below the power connector. I then made up a pigtail with APP to the barrel connector. The APP had the hooky side of the velcro on it. IF I need APP then I used that. Otherwise I secured the DC lead with a loop to the same velcro pad. The connection unfortunately is not so solid it will suffer long term abuse without failure. I had thought about replacing the power with a chassis mount but then you face the whole problem of end plate removal etc.... and a pair of APP inside the KX3 would have been better but simply didn't fit. 72 Dom M1KTA On 02/18/2015 05:25 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Cut off debate on this list? Hah! Impossible. ;) > > I'm the one who started this iteration of the APP debate, because I am > experiencing issues with them. In my initial post on the subject, I > reported that even a very slight movement of the radio kills power. > Tonight I've carefully inspected my cable and the connectors, and the > more I look, the less I like. On the cable end, I might not have had > the contact fully engaged on the black side, we'll see. It clicked > when I pushed it further. But it wasn't obvious to my eye. But on > the radio, the connectors on my brandy new K3 are loose. I can move > them from side to side, and the black one actually slides towards the > inside by about 1/32 of an inch or so when I mate them. I can > literally move them from side to side. I've taken a short video, but > don't want to attach it to this list posting. Perhaps I'll send it to > support in a dedicated e-mail, or to anyone else directly if you're > interested. > > Is this movement of the RF board-mounted connectors normal? If so, > I'll live with it, and do what I can to make the connection more > robust. > > If I could get a locking pin into the connector without taking the > entire radio apart, I will do that, and that would help keep the pair > on the RF board more rigid. I bought some of those, too. > > Thanks for all the helpful advice. > > Regards, > > Chris > K1AY > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> We've weighed the pros and cons of APP connectors on multiple occasions, done careful testing and measurements, etc., and on balance we feel that APP is the best option. Not to cut off debate, but I'm just sayin'.... >> >> I know of one gentleman who soldered wires to the RF PCB and attached a connector of his choice, outside the box. To each his own! >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR From mteberle at mchsi.com Wed Feb 18 03:40:05 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 02:40:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: How about a menu option for flashing or non-flasing delta f lamp? Sent from my U.S. Cellular? Smartphone
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown
I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? From G0ORH at sky.com Wed Feb 18 04:07:09 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:07:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown References: <018DD999-3176-4076-ABFA-DDF12DBF97CC@sky.com> Message-ID: Wayne The radio has recording playback ability. Why not! Put a pre recorded fixed / user enabled, audible warning message when out of SPLIT mode! Ken.. G0ORH - M3i Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Ken Chandler > Date: 18 February 2015 09:02:40 GMT > To: Wayne Burdick > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown > > Wayne > The radio has recording playback ability. > Why not Put a pre recorded fixed audible warning message when out of SPLIT mode! > > Ken.. G0ORH - M3i From kenk3iu at cox.net Wed Feb 18 05:28:15 2015 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:28:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E4693F.9020200@cox.net> Please leave it alone. The TX marker point to "B" and the "SPLIT" with a border around it is enough. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Wayne > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. >> >> However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >>>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. >>> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with >>> *THREE* separate indicators: >>> >>> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display >>> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon >>> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. >>> >>> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since >>> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >>>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >>>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >>>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >>>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >>>> cops on frequency. >>>> >>>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >>>> in split operation, sure would be nice. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Harv >>>> K2PI >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Feb 18 05:37:30 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:37:30 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... In-Reply-To: <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> References: <883C096A-26C1-4C41-A43E-0465F30A2B3B@elecraft.com> <284176218.4789135.1424134493307.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E295BD.1090403@embarqmail.com> <5439F3C9-B19B-4570-AC0E-E34DE1D4BF88@elecraft.com> <5AD506F1-3F12-4858-B8D8-962C6C100564@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01d04b66$eadd6670$c0983350$@co.uk> >I know it's true, but I don't see WHY the receivers need to be phase-locked. >After all, the signals are entirely separate until they are combined in your >head. There isn't a question of interference/ reinforcement at RF. > >Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > That is correct: the only relevant requirement for Diversity mode is *frequency* locking between the two separate synthesizers. The phase locking is an almost-accidental side effect of fully digital frequency synthesis. When two identical digital synths are given identical frequency instructions and forced to march in lockstep by a shared master clock, they will automatically be both frequency-locked and phase-locked. But as Vic says, that RF phase lock is of no consequence for Diversity; the only relevant point is the *frequency* locking. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 05:53:12 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:53:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E46F18.9000405@gmail.com> I am very happy with my Pixel Loop receive antenna. You could mount one horizontally (basketball-hoop style) to get horizontal polarization. On 18 Feb 2015 02:17, Jim Miller wrote: > What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception > on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and > thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only > other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use. > > Thanks > > Jim ab3cv -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Wed Feb 18 06:05:03 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:05:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT Message-ID: Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out? 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov, scientist and writer (1920-1992) From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 06:10:42 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:10:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E47332.5050300@gmail.com> I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on and it will not help. I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that I forgot the extra button press. My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature. On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote: > How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate > SPLIT is turned on. > I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - > because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the > "up cops". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess >> up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From dj0qn at gmx.net Wed Feb 18 06:21:37 2015 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Mitch_Wolfson_DJ=D8QN?=) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:21:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) 73, Mitcn DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the > key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a > bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is > engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. > > Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to > determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and > select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same > frequency ! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate > feedback". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne > From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 06:23:23 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:23:23 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> Message-ID: You want the retention clip: http://www.andersonpower.com/files.php?file=02628.pdf 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 18 Feb 2015, at 4:03 pm, Rick Bates wrote: > > Because the is no locking mechanism to keep them connected; far too easy to pull apart. > > Not the black/red paired pieces, what they mate to. A lock like used in the auto industry connectors would improve them immensely. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> >> Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 06:24:05 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:24:05 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E47655.5090805@gmail.com> While the KPA500 is rated at 500W I believe that in practice it can deliver up to 600W. Unlike some manufacturers, Elecraft is conservative in its power ratings. On 18 Feb 2015 13:05, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S > add on the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as > a 600W station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from > the K3 plus 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out? > > 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) > > The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers > knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov, > scientist and writer (1920-1992) -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From turnbull at net1.ie Wed Feb 18 06:25:46 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:25:46 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com><54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> Message-ID: Mitch, Your brilliant mind is again on the case. I though a small shock delivered to the paddle would be a help. But seriously, I do think that a flashing delta frequency LED could help and I would like this option. I have sinned and never want to do so again. It seems that I want the K3 to keep me out of trouble. Well any reminder is welcome. The Flashing Led has my vote - it is an option. Elecraft are great. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN Sent: 18 February 2015 11:22 To: Joe Subich, W4TV; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) 73, Mitcn DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the > key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a > bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is > engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. > > Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to > determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and > select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same > frequency ! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate > feedback". > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Feb 18 06:31:56 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find who the FDX is working. Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM To: dave at nk7z.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com Wed Feb 18 06:37:55 2015 From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:37:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors Message-ID: From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Wed Feb 18 06:57:25 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:57:25 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com><54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> Message-ID: <54E47E25.1070708@horizon.co.fk> The flashing led is a good idea. Our visual system seems to be programmed to pick up movement, that is perhaps why some might find it irritating. How many times is something invisible until it moves. However, the bigger problem I feel, illustrated yet again by the recent K1N operation is that too many folks just don't understand the concept of DXpedition split working. There was an almost constant conveyor belt of callers lined up on the K1N TX frequency, seemingly oblivious to the cops chasing the one before them off, they did exactly the same thing one after the other. You can provide all the split indications you like until you are blue in the face but if callers don't figure out they need to go split in the first instance, don't understand UP, nothing is gained. Education on how most DXpeds operate would reduce the current chaos. Accidents will happen, been there, done that, but that is what they will be, accidents not wilful. Regards, Mike VP8NO From eagleeyedennis at gmx.com Wed Feb 18 07:04:58 2015 From: eagleeyedennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> Message-ID: <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> Properly assembled APP connectors won?t come apart of their own accord. I do like that they will separate willingly when moderate tension is applied to them. I have used them on motorcycles in power lines for heated clothing & HT?s or GPS?s attached to my person. Having forgotten these tethers a few times during a quick dismount, i.e. to render aid to a participant while supporting a public service event, I liked that an expensive device wasn?t ripped off and thrown to the ground, as it might have been with a different style connector. Same would apply when moving things around in a shack or during portable operations. I doubt they would be an ARES standard if most OM?s didn?t find them suitable. Regarding other recent complaints, I have always found that genuine APP connector shells mate (dovetail) together very firmly. I typically use zip cord type leads, separated only slightly at the connector, or I use shrink wrap around separate leads near the connectors. So I first assemble the shells, then insert both the crimped terminals into the shells together until they click in. Using this method, I?ve found no need for securing the shells of a connection pair together by additional means. On the few occasions that I have used the split pins that come with some APP bulk connector sets, I have found that they need to be inserted with moderate force, such that they will not be falling out. I typically don?t use the split pins because I occasionally like to use the retention clips (to address Rick?s concern) that hold mated pairs together when they will be in a not readily visible area and I want them secured. These clips use the holes formed by the shells as part of their retention scheme. Yes, they can be mis-connected if common sense isn?t applied, but confirming a proper mating visually or by feel isn?t difficult. If used in corrosive or high frequency vibration environments, a light film of dielectric grease will keep the contact areas healthy and current flowing with minimal resistance. Oxymoron, I know, but it?s worked for me for decades on all my m/c electrical connectors.. Being a fan of interchangeability and interconnectivity, and with as many different mfr?s transceivers, power sources, adapters and cables that I have, I will continue to use and appreciate them with no complaints. I share Phil?s position on the dislike mystery. 73 de Dennis KD7CAC Scottsdale, AZ > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Rick Bates > wrote: > > Because the is no locking mechanism to keep them connected; far too easy to pull apart. > > Not the black/red paired pieces, what they mate to. A lock like used in the auto industry connectors would improve them immensely. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Phil Hystad > wrote: >> >> Its a mystery to me why people don't like the APP connectors. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:10:03 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:10:03 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <54E4811B.1050900@gmail.com> Sure. Put BW$nnnn; where nnnn is the bandwidth/10 desired in the macro assigned to the key. So BW$0200; sets the bandwidth of the subrx to 2 kHz. On 18 Feb 2015 13:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to > have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after > holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the > bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find > who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 07:16:50 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:16:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <54E482B2.5070700@gmail.com> Hi Tony, Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro Mine is as follows DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; BW$0100; Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz for 2.7KHz you would want BW$0270; MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to A Ab so that the main is in both ears and the sub in right ear only my 'clear' macro FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; undoes the audio mix On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B to > have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now after > holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up the > bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier to find > who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM > To: dave at nk7z.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on > keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a > flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, > given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com > From fcady at ece.montana.edu Wed Feb 18 07:22:18 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C61757D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3. It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red. So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta. When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red. Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. Cheers, Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM To: dave at nk7z.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Feb 18 07:34:29 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E482B2.5070700@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <007401d04b6e$80e3c180$82ab4480$@verizon.net> <54E482B2.5070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008901d04b77$3dbd4530$b937cf90$@verizon.net> Thanks Vic and Brendan for your input. I will do that today. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Hi Tony, Yes you can set the VFO bandwidth as part of your macro Mine is as follows DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; BW$0100; Sets VFO B filter bandwidth at 1Khz for 2.7KHz you would want BW$0270; MN111;MP001;MN255 sets up the internal audio mixer to A Ab so that the main is in both ears and the sub in right ear only my 'clear' macro FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; undoes the audio mix On 18/02/2015 11:31, N2TK, Tony wrote: > While we are on this subject, I have PF1 programmed for split up 2KHZ > and > PF2 programmed for split up 5KHZ. Is there a way I can program RCVR B > to have a very wide filter setting tied into PF! Or PF2? Right now > after holding in either PF1 or PF2 I need to go into B SET to open up > the bandwidth. I like a wide bandwidth on the B RCVR to make it easier > to find who the FDX is working. > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wayne Burdick > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 AM > To: dave at nk7z.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit > frequency on keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me > that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they > will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From g6glp at strus.co.uk Wed Feb 18 07:46:21 2015 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:46:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E47332.5050300@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E47332.5050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E4899D.1050102@strus.co.uk> To add a little more fuel to the fire there is another option that could keep the two sides happy. If the main display was to show the active frequency on RX and on TX. I.E when in split mode change the main display to the TX frequency the RX freq then being shown on the sub display and reverting back as you go back to RX. This feature could be enabled or disabled by a flag in config. I am sure there are many more alternatives that are worthy of a consideration. 73 de Tony G6GLP On 18/02/2015 11:10, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in > determining that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! > Wayne can make the radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on > and it will not help. > > I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as > well as set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I > was so focused on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that > I forgot the extra button press. > > My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. > Either the user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the > much-discussed programmable SPLIT feature. > > On 18 Feb 2015 03:38, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate >> SPLIT is turned on. >> I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - >> because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the >> "up cops". >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess >>> up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >>> >>> Wayne > From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Wed Feb 18 07:58:45 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:58:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> Message-ID: I hate them too - there was something similar on the lead out the back of my FT-857 - I moved the rig an 1/8" and it disconnected - it had gone intermittent, on the rig side. I replaced it with APP and no problem. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) - waiting for the 'GO' with blowtorch in hand! -- Power is no substitute for Skill. > On 18 Feb 2015, at 03:39, Phil Hystad wrote: > > P.S. The connectors that I really hate with a passion are those MOLEX connectors that ICOM likes to use for Power. If and when I become dictator of the world, we will burn all of the MOLEX connectors on the planet. I dumped all my ICOM gear because of those MOLEX connectors -- of course, I had bought the entire K-Line by then. From scott.manthe at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 08:09:05 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E48EF1.1050804@gmail.com> My KPA500 will put out 600 watts with ease, 680-700 on some bands. I've never pushed that hard, although I routinely run it at 550-575, so maybe they're not fudging things too much. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/18/15 6:05 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out? > > 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) > > The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov, scientist and writer (1920-1992) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > . > From dmoes at nexicom.net Wed Feb 18 08:11:21 2015 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:11:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors Message-ID: <54e48f79.150e.11d21940.5e4e12b@nexicom.net> Ive looked at XT60s and the Deans connectors Seems the Deans connectors are popular but look a little challenging to solder The XT60s are a little better that way for soldering but are more expensive 60 is for 60 amps I like overkill so it may seem a better option but beware they are not patented so I am sure there is a flood of cheep sub standard knockoffs out there. That said I haven't had much trouble with APP's and everything in the shack and car that is 12V is using them. to prevent separation of the red and black I just touch the joint between them with the soldering iron melting some of the plastic together or a dab of crazy glue. I have when using heavy wire pried up the little leaf spring in the connector body before assembly so that it has a little more force on the connector pin. that seems to help. I like the cost $15 for a baggy of 10 pairs at the local ham shop. XT60 at the local hobby store are more than twice that. but then again he sells APP for 4.99 a pair. XT 60s are much cheeper if ordered online like Hobby King David Moes VE3DVY > --- Original message --- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors > From: Michael Walker > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Tuesday, 17/02/2015 9:51 PM > > I use APP's with great success. Yes, I wish they were a little more > firm > in their locking, but I do like the speed of crimping. > > However, as I move forward, I will be switching to Dean's connectors > or > XT60's only for the fact they don't require an expensive crimper and > they > are very inexpensive. > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net Wed Feb 18 08:20:18 2015 From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: Can we have the radio shout "UP! UP! UP!" and then an exasperated "idiot"? Thanks, Jeff > From: Ken Chandler > To: "" > Cc: > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:07:09 +0000 > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Split operation - display of Transmit frequency > on keydown > Wayne > The radio has recording playback ability. > Why not! Put a pre recorded fixed / user enabled, audible warning message > when out of SPLIT mode! > Ken.. G0ORH - M3i From k9ztv at socket.net Wed Feb 18 08:27:50 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:27:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> Message-ID: <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . . Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn apart and one on the air. Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3. In that instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor. 73, Kent K9ZTV From EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com Wed Feb 18 08:31:26 2015 From: EagleEyeDennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:31:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> Message-ID: Now that is deserving of an Amen! 73 de Dennis KD7CAC Scottsdale, AZ > On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:27 AM, K9ZTV wrote: > > ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . . > > Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn apart and one on the air. Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3. In that instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor. > > 73, > > Kent K9ZTV From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 08:33:12 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:33:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <670517B8-85BD-4003-9593-2555139381F6@ravenel.us> Message-ID: <1424266392105-7598831.post@n2.nabble.com> I think Steve has it correct. Everybody engaged in this discussion obviously understands how to get in and out of split and knows when to use it. I believe that the 3 existing visual indicators on the K3 are adequate. I think the problem occurs because we are not looking at the K3. We are concentrating on the audio and studying our P3 and computer monitor(s). We might be turning the VFO-B knob but we're not necessarily looking at the radio. So when we hear "UP" we don't even realize that we are the offender. 73, Mike K2MK wb6rse1 wrote > THE simplest solution is for the op to just simply pay attention. > > Steve WB6RSE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598831.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eagleeyedennis at gmx.com Wed Feb 18 08:34:22 2015 From: eagleeyedennis at gmx.com (Dennis Griffin) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> Message-ID: <70F12378-557D-42E7-A5F5-9BDD1404A9C3@gmx.com> It should be possible, with just a bit of practice, and maybe with a little initial help from a sighted person, for a visually impaired person with good manual dexterity to effect a good crimp with a proper crimping tool. The terminals can be easily indexed by feel. A few short, identifiable lengths of the various gauge wires being used, with ends that have been stripped and lightly tinned, would make good go/no go gages to allow a visually impaired person to select the appropriate 15 or 30 gage APP terminal for the wire gage being used, w/o possibly bird?s nesting the strands in the process. I think most would agree that a good crimp is sufficient, and soldering isn?t generally recommended for these connectors. 73 de Dennis KD7CAC Scottsdale, AZ > On Feb 18, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Gerry leary wrote: > > I really like Anderson's a lot. As a blind person I find them very easy to assemble. I usually get help soldering them but I find that the good crimping tool works well. > > Sent from my iPhone this time From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Wed Feb 18 08:57:01 2015 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:57:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT In-Reply-To: <54E48EF1.1050804@gmail.com> References: <54E48EF1.1050804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <515AC26C-1650-44A9-B931-E72E7EF3EEDA@Alphadene.co.uk> OK, I hadn't realised it was that much over-spec'd - which is good - not for us Brits of course, with an upper limit of 400W :-( 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) Thank everyone who calls out your faults, your anger, your impatience, your egotism; do this consciously, voluntarily. -Jean Toomer, poet and novelist (1894-1967) > On 18 Feb 2015, at 13:09, Scott Manthe wrote: > > My KPA500 will put out 600 watts with ease, 680-700 on some bands. I've never pushed that hard, although I routinely run it at 550-575, so maybe they're not fudging things too much. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > > On 2/18/15 6:05 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: >> Slightly off-topic, but I've opened up my March RadCom, to find a W&S add on the inside back page, advertising a K line (K3, P3, KPA500) as a 600W station - am I going nut's or have they decided that 100W from the K3 plus 500W from the KPA means you get 600W out? >> >> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) >> >> The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. -Isaac Asimov, scientist and writer (1920-1992) >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com >> . >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 09:10:26 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <003701d04aef$4e4888c0$ead99a40$@gamewood.net> References: <003701d04aef$4e4888c0$ead99a40$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <2134151120.515956.1424268626286.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have to agree with the crimping of PP connectors and in Crimping in general. It's my understanding that PP need the ability to flex a little to function properly.Crimp tools seem expensive at first, but they are cheap once you realize the ease of use. I tried soldering PP in the past and they never seemed to mate quite right, the crimped ones work well. From: Kenneth Talbott To: "'David Ferrington, M0XDF'" ; 'Chris Hallinan' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors A proper crimp is far superior to solder! (Let the flames begin.)? The solder will wick up your stranded wire and make a solid conductor of your nice flexible wire.? The additional solid length will impart even more torque on the APP connection.? Perhaps more importantly for power in general, an overcurrent condition will heat the junction and melt the solder which will proceed to flow into the most unwelcome places!? If you only own one crimper, make it the West Mountain crimp tool for APP. Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:23 AM To: Chris Hallinan Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors PowerPoles are not fragile, when correctly assembled/soldered. I think there is an issue, either with your assembly to the lead or possibly with the units mounted on the PCB in the K3 (it has been known to be in the K3). Although I crimp all mine (well worth getting the West Mountain Radio Deluxe crimp tool if your going to use a lot of APPs) I have to use a reasonable ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:14:13 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:14:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Who is missing a power cord? Message-ID: <54E49E35.6060906@embarqmail.com> Hi, I found an assembled power cord with a 2.1mm coaxial plug, fuse and lugs for a power supply. It has to belong to someone for whom I repaired a radio, but I don't know who. I found it in the box that I dump packing peanuts into, so I don't know how long it has been there. If anyone I did a repair for is missing a power cord, please email me off-list. Thanks for the bandwidth. 73, Don W3FPR From drholmes at xplornet.com Wed Feb 18 09:23:50 2015 From: drholmes at xplornet.com (Doug VE3VS) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:23:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split. I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. Doug VE3VS Wayne said.... Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. .......that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually doing what we wanted it to do. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598836.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Wed Feb 18 09:28:32 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:28:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] G Ops - K Line description in RadCom - slightly OT In-Reply-To: <515AC26C-1650-44A9-B931-E72E7EF3EEDA@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <54E48EF1.1050804@gmail.com> <515AC26C-1650-44A9-B931-E72E7EF3EEDA@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <1424269712543-7598837.post@n2.nabble.com> One issue with solid state amps is that IMD increases rapidly well before the saturation point. Probably most 100W rigs can be cranked up to 150W but with bad IMD especially into some loads. So 700W saturated may mean 500W linear. The maximum semi-linear power can be easily found by measuring 1db or 2db compression point. My Expert 2k-fa can easily deliver > 2 KW peak but the compression point is around 1500W. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/G-Ops-K-Line-description-in-RadCom-slightly-OT-tp7598810p7598837.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Wed Feb 18 09:33:23 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:33:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 160M Diversity Antennas In-Reply-To: <1424227603.41543.YahooMailBasic@web162605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1424227603.41543.YahooMailBasic@web162605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1424270003985-7598838.post@n2.nabble.com> I use Hi-Z 3 el and inv-L or magnetic loop. inv-L is noisy but often picks up DX signals well enough to allow rotation of Hi-Z and a better diversity copy. Magnetic loop is excellent for separating different strong signals (useful when running) but does not pick up weak signals (despite a preamp). Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-160M-Diversity-Antennas-tp7598788p7598838.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4nz at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 09:44:05 2015 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:44:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <0F4220E2-A08F-4FF4-86AF-6F260DC2CABB@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> <0F4220E2-A08F-4FF4-86AF-6F260DC2CABB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <004a01d04b89$58b2a5d0$0a17f170$@comcast.net> Instead of flashing the Delta-F LED that is on the far left of the radio, would it not be more effective to flash the "SPLT" indicator, "TX" indicator and arrow in the display just like the "TX" flashes when in test mode? After all, this is where your attention is usually focused. To be most effective, do not make the flashing optional. 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:48 AM To: Dwayne Rohmer Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I like it. Wayne On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: >> >>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >>> -- >>> Thanks and 73's, >>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >>> www.nk7z.net >>> for MixW support see; >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >>> for Dopplergram information see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >>> for MM-SSTV see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4nz at comcast.net From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 09:57:57 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E4A875.3000609@subich.com> I agree with Eric ... the Delta-F lamp is the *third* indicator of split operation and is already rather bright even when MENU:LED BRT is reduced to near the minimum. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 1:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > >> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >> -- >> Thanks and 73's, >> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >> www.nk7z.net >> for MixW support see; >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> for Dopplergram information see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >> for MM-SSTV see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 10:02:58 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:02:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. Wayne N6KR From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Feb 18 10:11:17 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:11:17 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2015218151117.985786@Shack> I know that it's not the K3 display, but I have my MicroHam Keyer II LCD setup in that way. Normally the top display line shows the K3 VFO A and the bottom line VFO B. When transmitting in SPLIT the top line changes to display the same frequency as the bottom line. Very easy to see.... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:23:50 -0700 (MST), Doug VE3VS wrote: > I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged > me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions > (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of > VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know > about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that > should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had > what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency > readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with > even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I > have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV > button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I > really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it > would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split. > > I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. > Doug VE3VS > > Wayne said.... > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during > key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B > display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > .......that too would be a very obvious indicator that the rig is actually > doing what we wanted it to do. > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequen cy-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598836.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 10:11:40 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:11:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> Message-ID: <54E4ABAC.6010603@subich.com> > Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users > might switch off the test mode on purpose. The software can enable it as quickly as the user can disable it . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 6:21 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN wrote: > Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users > might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should > induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that > when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs. ;-) > > 73, > Mitcn DJ0QN > > Mitch Wolfson > DJ?QN / K7DX > Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn > Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 > > On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the >> key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a >> bit counter intuitive. The *three* current indicators that split is >> engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. >> >> Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to >> determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and >> select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same >> frequency ! Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate >> feedback". >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >>> during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't >>> mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >>> >>> Wayne >> > > From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:17:20 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:17:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> I dunno . . . What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are doing. I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by something else. I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From ai6ii at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 10:18:26 2015 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:18:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1424272706249-7598845.post@n2.nabble.com> Although I don't have a major problem the way it works now, I think the change you suggest would actually help. There are times when I have made the error of not operating split when I have wanted to, in spite of the current indicators. I do watch the frequency readouts, so emphasizing the SPLIT there I think would be a good upgrade. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/A-way-to-show-both-SPLIT-and-NON-SPLIT-warnings-tp7598841p7598845.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From arsk2rny at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:22:22 2015 From: arsk2rny at gmail.com (Carey Magee) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:22:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi All: Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu? I currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I currently have 4 indicators to remind me. Thanks 73, Carey Magee, K2RNY Rochester New York Grid: FN13ef arsk2rny at gmail.com On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this > behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is > TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in > this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you > need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the > change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come > on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being > retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, > just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX > station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to > get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire > contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A > knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 10:23:56 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:23:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C61757D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C61757D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <1424273036.32242.97.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> What a good idea! Also, why not just write SPLIT on the screen someplace of the P3, and flash the Delta-F light. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 05:22 -0700, Cady, Fred wrote: > What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3. It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red. So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta. When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red. > > Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. > > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM > To: dave at nk7z.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > > > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > > -- > > Thanks and 73's, > > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > > www.nk7z.net > > for MixW support see; > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > for Dopplergram information see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > > for MM-SSTV see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 10:25:57 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:25:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> <640938B3-4454-46F0-AB94-D5CE8617159C@elecraft.com> <4C07C53C-D2A4-4E13-B195-B48B398E5911@mac.com> <1425EA23-CAD1-405C-8B2A-4F7D8B47A856@gmx.com> <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> Message-ID: <1424273157.32242.98.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I have had zero problems with Powerpoles, and would think it a bad thing to not have them on the radio. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 06:31 -0700, Dennis Griffin wrote: > Now that is deserving of an Amen! > > 73 de Dennis KD7CAC > Scottsdale, AZ > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 6:27 AM, K9ZTV wrote: > > > > ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . . > > > > Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn apart and one on the air. Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3. In that instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor. > > > > 73, > > > > Kent K9ZTV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From edouard at lafargue.name Wed Feb 18 10:29:09 2015 From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:29:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sharing a KX3 to multiple application on Mac OS 10.10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joshua, Very easy to do :-) I developed software to do just this, called Wizkers ( http://wizkers.io/) . it can be downloaded from the Chrome app store and installs in a matter of seconds. Works on any computer ( and no, no need for an Internetb connection once it is installed...) Once Wizkers is running, it will give you a rig sharing interface so that you can have multiple programs use the rig. I do this with RUMLog, fldigi and jt65 at the same time, works great... Contact me direct if you need help! Ed, w6ela PS: wizkers is open source, so it is also free, which doesn't hurt either. On Feb 16, 2015 7:49 AM, "Joshua Gould" wrote: > Any one know of a way to do it? I would like to be able to share the > serial port among at least the KX3 utility and RUMLog (Which after reading > the manual I have a much better understanding of) More software might come > along later, but those are the big two for now. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7465 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to edouard at lafargue.name > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 10:30:01 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:30:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee wrote: > Hi All: > > Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu? I currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I currently have 4 indicators to remind me. > > Thanks > > 73, > Carey Magee, K2RNY > Rochester New York > Grid: FN13ef > arsk2rny at gmail.com > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 10:31:39 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Wayne, If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on the P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 07:02 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w0fm at swbell.net Wed Feb 18 10:32:37 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:32:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <007901d04b90$201d7680$60586380$@net> Or, when in the "SPLIT" mode, and transmitting on VFO A, have the display programmed to scroll "UP UP UP U IDIOT". ;o) Terry W?FM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:38 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. Wayne On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. > > However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? > > Wayne > N6KR > > From roycraft at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 10:33:54 2015 From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> Bingo! No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor operating habits. Nothing can substitute for good operating practices which become habits. It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status before sending. Make a habit. If you don't do that, you won't see anything flashing on the screen either. I think that one menu item that is already there that can help is "SPLIT SV". Set it to "YES". 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/18/2015 10:17 AM, dave wrote: > > I dunno . . . > > What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying > attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this > going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. > > If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and > the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are > doing. > > I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy > is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by > something else. > > I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on > this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as > it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this >> behavior: >> >> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. >> (A is TX in this case.) >> >> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is >> TX in this case.) >> >> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed >> (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a >> warning. >> >> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with >> the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" >> would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the >> timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what >> that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you >> key the radio. >> >> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX >> station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and >> go to get your attention. >> >> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the >> entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close >> to the VFO A knob, where the action is. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 10:40:21 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:40:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Dave (AB9CA), Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to indicate is not the case. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 09:17 -0600, dave wrote: > I dunno . . . > > What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying > attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this > going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Wed Feb 18 10:40:32 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:40:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E4B270.7090904@xs4all.nl> Jim, On 160m For TX: 5/8 wave inverted L For diversity RX: RX-4-square 73 Arie PA3A Jim Miller schreef op 18-2-2015 om 1:17: > What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception > on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and > thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only > other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use. > > Thanks > > Jim ab3cv From aldermant at windstream.net Wed Feb 18 10:45:05 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> Dave, I think what you are saying is exactly the case. Bless their soul, Elecraft is trying to solve a human issue because folks don't pay attention to what they are doing. The K3 works just fine and it is, in my opinion, NOT Elecrafts task to solve the human issue. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:17 AM To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings I dunno . . . What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are doing. I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by something else. I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A > is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX > in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ho13dave at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From gadgetlust at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 20:40:21 2015 From: gadgetlust at gmail.com (Bob Harvey - K2PI) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:40:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Please just forget I asked. I give, I give! K2PI On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] < ml-node+s365791n7598777h97 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > How about 'blinking' the intensity of the VFO B display to indicate > SPLIT is turned on. > I don't know how to announce that it is off when it should be on - > because that is the normal condition. I guess one has to rely on the > "up cops". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" > during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up > the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > > > Wayne > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598777.html > To unsubscribe from Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on > keydown, click here > > . > NAML > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7598778.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldermant at windstream.net Wed Feb 18 10:48:26 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <003101d04b92$56015260$0203f720$@windstream.net> Now that is a GREAT idea! 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:30 AM To: Carey Magee Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee wrote: > Hi All: > > Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu? I currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I currently have 4 indicators to remind me. > > Thanks > > 73, > Carey Magee, K2RNY > Rochester New York > Grid: FN13ef > arsk2rny at gmail.com > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A > is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX > in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > arsk2rny at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 18 10:50:03 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E4B4AB.50304@socal.rr.com> Bravo! Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 7:30 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 10:55:03 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:55:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > indicate is not the case. Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an anvil. The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the operator that he *should be in split*. The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The correct approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to begin transmitting" 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote: > Dave (AB9CA), > > Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop > lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are > just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > indicate is not the case. > From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 10:58:20 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:58:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> > please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate > split. It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when split. In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor showing the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote: > Wayne, > If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of > something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on the > P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Wed Feb 18 10:59:23 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:59:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E4B6DB.4080102@nc.rr.com> Reminds me of a snippett from a pileup: Unknown station: "IK5XXXQ UP UP UP don't you understand English?" Of course we have the same problem with guys trying to use code readers. Either they are not decoding UP or don't understand what UP means. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/18/2015 15:33 PM, Ted Roycraft wrote: > Bingo! No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor > operating habits. Nothing can substitute for good operating practices > which become habits. It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status > before sending. Make a habit. If you don't do that, you won't see > anything flashing on the screen either. > > I think that one menu item that is already there that can help is > "SPLIT SV". Set it to "YES". > > 73, Ted, W2ZK > > On 2/18/2015 10:17 AM, dave wrote: >> >> I dunno . . . >> >> What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying >> attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this >> going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. >> >> If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, >> and the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what >> they are doing. >> >> I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The >> guy is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by >> something else. >> >> I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on >> this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine >> as it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3. >> >> 73 de dave >> ab9ca/4 >> >> >> >> On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this >>> behavior: >>> >>> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. >>> (A is TX in this case.) >>> >>> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is >>> TX in this case.) >>> >>> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still >>> displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to >>> provide a warning. >>> >>> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with >>> the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" >>> would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the >>> timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what >>> that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as >>> you key the radio. >>> >>> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX >>> station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come >>> and go to get your attention. >>> >>> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the >>> entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close >>> to the VFO A knob, where the action is. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4284/9137 - Release Date: 02/18/15 > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 11:00:44 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:00:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware. Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation. Wayne N6KR From ok2fd at seznam.cz Wed Feb 18 11:03:05 2015 From: ok2fd at seznam.cz (Karel Karmasin) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles Message-ID: <54E4B7B9.6020308@seznam.cz> Hi there, I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection: On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my knowledges now, any help? Karel, OK2FD From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 11:03:56 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:03:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> Message-ID: <6D8E06EA-AD94-46B1-BC07-DC7E8CE16FF5@elecraft.com> Joe, Just because there are three indicators for SPLIT already doesn't mean that the problem has been solved. Even crack operators have admitted during the past few days that they occasionally forget their split state, with embarrassing consequences. This is proof that the indications can and should be improved, if possible. See my previous posting. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:58 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate >> split. > > It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when > split. In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor > showing the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote: >> Wayne, >> If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of >> something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on the >> P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Feb 18 11:04:39 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424266392105-7598831.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com>, , <1424266392105-7598831.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E4B817.15034.4EE834C@Gary.ka1j.com> I'd like to see the option for a fair sized notice saying SPLIT in Red on the right 1/2 of the screen, on the P3/SVGA when I'm in SPLIT operation, I'm more looking at that when I'm chasing in a pileup. Since I have the SVGA, I rarely look at the P3 itself except top select changes and focus on the monitor instead. The K3 is to my left and I rarely look on its left side except when changing bands or modes; I personally would like the in-your-face SPLIT available on the monitor. Place it lower on the waterfall or above the reference level, somewhere it's obvious but does not occlude necessary visual data. Not seeing SPLIT in red would be obvious if you're wanting to be there. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From arlenfletcher at mac.com Wed Feb 18 11:04:44 2015 From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:04:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69B2642A-007A-42D1-9263-F3AFD512B689@mac.com> I?m guilty of starting a thread similar to this one a couple of months back. My K3 clock drifts and, being a newbie, I wasn?t certain whether it was within spec or not. I learned that it is within spec - but I wanted something more accurate - not because I NEED it, but because I thought it might be a fun project. So I designed and built a GPS clock. It uses a $40 GPS module that has a battery-backed clock chip in it (so it keeps reasonable time when there is no GPS satellite lock). It only needs a single GPS satellite for accurate time. I put it out in my garage because my shack is in the basement and GPS coverage is marginal there. It communicates with the display unit via an XBee Series One radio link, updating the display in my shack (driven by an Arduino Uno) about every 200 milliseconds. Is it overkill? Probably. But I had fun designing it, building it, and writing and debugging the code. I?m a ham? I do things like this because it?s fun - and since I?m not selling it I don?t have to worry too much about how practical it is. It?d be nice if the K3 clock was more accurate - but then I wouldn?t have learned about GPS timekeeping, XBees, and driving an I2C display and GPS unit from an Arduino! :-) 73 Arlen, AA7F > On Feb 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Richard Gillingham wrote: > > > Here in South Florida, atomic clocks will not sync it all. 73, > Gil W1RG > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > >
-------- Original message --------
From: Ken G Kopp
Date:02/15/2015 1:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT"
Cc: Elecraft Reflector , KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip
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> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 > and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> In which radio? >> >> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An >>> adjust method for what we have? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arlenfletcher at mac.com From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 11:07:17 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:07:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> Message-ID: <646D3851-883E-49FC-B82B-3219BA58DCD2@comcast.net> GAAAAKKKK! No! If someone, looking at the display, doesn't notice the SPLT, or the down arrow, then I don't think another indicator is gonna do any good. I think the problem lies in NOT looking at the radio in the passion of the chase. If the radio is in split, and the VFO's are equal, then put a KV on the mic or keyer. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > I share Joe's dislike of the idea of changing VFO A to the VFO B frequency during split TX. It's just a major semantic disconnect. > > However, we could do something like replace the leftmost 3 characters of the VFO B frequency display with "SPL" during key-down. Would that be obnoxious enough? > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:06 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> >>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me >>> know I am in split operation, sure would be nice. >> >> The K3 already gives *instant* feedback when in Split operation with >> *THREE* separate indicators: >> >> 1) the (SPLIT) icon on the mail display >> 2) the "down arrow" pointing to the VFO [B] icon >> 3) the red "Delta-F" LED between the Power button and Phones jack. >> >> Changing the VFO A display in transmit would be incorrect since >> VFO A does not change - the selected VFO changes. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-17 6:36 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: >>> Is there an option in the settings, or a planned firmware change, to shift >>> the displayed K3 Frequency to the transmit frequency when working split? I >>> cannot count the number of times I have moved the VFO too far, or simply >>> forgot to reset it back to split operation, only to be screamed at by DX >>> cops on frequency. >>> >>> Being able to see an immediate feedback when I keydown, letting me know I am >>> in split operation, sure would be nice. >>> >>> 73 >>> Harv >>> K2PI >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 11:18:29 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:18:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing two indicators on the LCD display, and the ?f yellow LED, then more indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion. I'd much rather see the effort go into separating VOX for data from VOX for SSB. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:21:18 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:21:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> > too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > SPLIT I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"? The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B button. Is there some other front panel way? Is there a firmware bug that occasionally causes the K3 to forget it is in split? Or some combination of presses of other buttons? Holding the A>B button takes a conscious effort. Not something that happens accidentally. If it is external software (rig control, logger, etc) doing it, then that software needs to be fixed. Not an Elecraft problem. And, FWIW, the SPLIT icon is rather large and is immediately above the VFO B display. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 8:23 AM, Doug VE3VS wrote: > I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always bugged > me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions > (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the frequency of > VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, I know > about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) that > should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had > what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency > readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up with > even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual readout. I > have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV > button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I > really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, so it > would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split. > > I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. > Doug VE3VS > From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 11:24:38 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're > having this conversation. The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative. The normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he *should be* split. These indicators only work if the operator *knows he should be split* and if he knows that the current indicators - three on the K3, two in the P3 - are enough to let him know that split is engaged. Even experienced operators can get distracted. It is not the lack of sufficient indicators that is the distraction - it is not thinking before pressing the PTT switch and even the best can forget to look before transmitting. > And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van > de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within > the limits of the existing hardware. Unfortunately those are all static indications *when split is engaged* - they still do not (and can not) tell the operator that split *should* *be* engaged when it is not. The only real solution is signal decoding that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 11:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > User interface design is often called upon to make up for human > failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad > habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much > training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account > up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. > > My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on > embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be > as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay > attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to > them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in > play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon > horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have > to work within the limits of the existing hardware. > > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're > having this conversation. > > Wayne N6KR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 11:26:45 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:26:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing two indicators on the LCD display, and the ?f yellow LED, then more indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion. :) Well, I'm not sure I agree. Yes, there are three indicators, but they're all quite small, and the delta-F LED is off to the side. These methods of indicating split all seemed like a great idea at the time, but even I miss them sometimes, so I'm interested in trying something else. My proposed "split" and "non-split" text indications might solve the "didn't see the indicators" problem, because they occupy so much more area of the front panel (about 20 times more). That seems to be the crux of the issue: a lot of operators want something *BIG* to change stage when they transmit, and that something has to indicate whether they're in split or not. This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on VFO B) or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B). Wayne N6KR From roycraft at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 11:28:03 2015 From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:28:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E4BD93.9050701@comcast.net> One way you can "drop out of SPLIT" is this. If the "SPLIT SV" menu item is OFF, and you are operating split, if you switch to another band and turn SPLIT off, then come back to the original band, SPLIT will be OFF. Turn "SPLIT SV" ON to fix this. That way, the split status per band is maintained. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/18/2015 11:21 AM, dave wrote: > > > too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > > SPLIT > > I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"? > > The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B > button. Is there some other front panel way? Is there a firmware bug > that occasionally causes the K3 to forget it is in split? Or some > combination of presses of other buttons? > > Holding the A>B button takes a conscious effort. Not something that > happens accidentally. > > If it is external software (rig control, logger, etc) doing it, then > that software needs to be fixed. Not an Elecraft problem. > > And, FWIW, the SPLIT icon is rather large and is immediately above the > VFO B display. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 2/18/15 8:23 AM, Doug VE3VS wrote: >> I have been a K3 user for a few years. The one event that has always >> bugged >> me is that it seems way too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop >> out" of >> SPLIT, with the result that I have made far too many transmissions >> (unwittingly) on the DX calling frequency rather than where the >> frequency of >> VFO B is indicating, and where the cursor on the P3 is showing. Yes, >> I know >> about the yellow LED and the tiny down indicator and the small (SPLT) >> that >> should be illuminated. However, many of my previous rigs have always had >> what I considered to be a superb feature, the flipping of the frequency >> readouts, a very visible and noticeable change that can be picked up >> with >> even peripheral vision if looking somewhat away from the actual >> readout. I >> have a single receiver in my K3, and naturally I quite often use the REV >> button to check out the pileup. Notice how easily the display flips. I >> really wish the display would do exactly that when PTT is asserted, >> so it >> would clearly indicate that I really am still operating split. >> >> I hope this could become a "user option" in the near future. >> Doug VE3VS >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 18 11:29:38 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:29:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <54E4BDF2.6040606@socal.rr.com> The fact that the K3 has the blessings of Cognitive Science is most reassuring, Wayne. :-) Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 8:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. > > My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware. > > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation. > > Wayne > N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 11:32:29 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:32:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> Message-ID: <493CE2EE-C462-498A-9549-7F037429F0EB@elecraft.com> "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is > > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real > > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're > > having this conversation. > > The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative. The > normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will > do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he > *should be* split. It is partly a matter of training, and you're right, we can't solve that part of the problem. But we *can* improve the visibility of split/non-split state information, and there's a lot of evidence that even well-trained operators could benefit from that. No one remembers to be in or out of split as required 100% of the time. If we can solve part of the problem in firmware (by improving visibility), why not? At least this thread might then only come up semiannually. Meanwhile, the experts on split, including you, could help correct the other part of the problem by writing educational articles about split operation for ham magazines and web forums. Wayne N6KR From n7un.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:36:58 2015 From: n7un.guy at gmail.com (Guy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: Wayne, While you are adding this "warning" feature, can you also add a cricket sound that randomly chirps? User configurable, of course. Partly for the amazement factor, partly to keep me company late at night while chasing DX. And it should only operate while I'm in split mode. Maybe you could port some old code.... -- Guy/N7UN http://www.n7un.com From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Feb 18 11:39:34 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com>, <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>, <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E4C046.25212.50E7B32@Gary.ka1j.com> It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do that and I'm good to go. However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX. If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd again have no SPLIT. The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your original settings be undone without you thinking about it. I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha. 73, Gary KA1J > > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > > indicate is not the case. > > Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway > or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an > accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an > anvil. > > The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. > Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do > anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the > operator that he *should be in split*. > > The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The > correct approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, > the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive > (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to > begin transmitting" > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote: > > Dave (AB9CA), > > > > Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop > > lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are > > just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. > > > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > > indicate is not the case. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From qrz at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 11:43:30 2015 From: qrz at comcast.net (qrz) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Split & Link Message-ID: <006201d04b9a$0774b440$165e1cc0$@comcast.net> Or When chasing DX always keep Split activated and VFO's linked, that way when you move up with VFO B for the split the DeltaF light comes on and you avoid the embarrassing UP UP. My two cents. Hey maybe that was the reason for Link? 73 George WA1NTA From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 11:46:41 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:46:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E4C1F1.30602@gmail.com> > The only real solution is signal decoding > that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split. Even this won't work for those ops who rarely send UP. I listened to one DX last evening, TI9/xxxxxx, who went 20 min without ID'ing and *never* sent UP. And . . . if you were to put decoding of UP in there . . . all the net ops, who send guys UP to pass traffic, will commence their complaining. No matter how many dancing bears may be on the various displays, if the guy is not paying attention, he will see none of them. Simple truth. The K3 already has 3 annunciators for SPLIT, plus the P3 has two more. I doubt that adding one or two more will make any difference. The problem is that the op is not watching what he already has. And since non-split is the usual mode, no annunciator is needed for that. Good UI's can aid an attentive user, but they cannot overcome the lack of the user paying attention to the UI, which is the issue here. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 10:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is > > in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real > > errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're > > having this conversation. > > The problem is that you're still trying to reinforce a negative. The > normal operation is simplex - none of the additional indicators will > do anything to reinforce to an operator set for simplex that he > *should be* split. > > These indicators only work if the operator *knows he should be split* > and if he knows that the current indicators - three on the K3, two in > the P3 - are enough to let him know that split is engaged. > > Even experienced operators can get distracted. It is not the lack > of sufficient indicators that is the distraction - it is not thinking > before pressing the PTT switch and even the best can forget to look > before transmitting. > >> And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van >> de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within >> the limits of the existing hardware. > > Unfortunately those are all static indications *when split is engaged* > - they still do not (and can not) tell the operator that split *should* > *be* engaged when it is not. The only real solution is signal decoding > that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 11:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> User interface design is often called upon to make up for human >> failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad >> habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much >> training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account >> up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. >> >> My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on >> embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be >> as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay >> attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to >> them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in >> play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon >> horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have >> to work within the limits of the existing hardware. >> >> Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is >> in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real >> errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're >> having this conversation. >> >> Wayne N6KR >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Wed Feb 18 11:51:25 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:51:25 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E4C30D.2090209@horizon.co.fk> Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it should be in split? Unless I've missed something it still needs the operator to know when split is desired and initiate it. It's all getting out of perspective. The only programming needed is that of the operator, aka learning how to use the K3, not a big deal surely, were are big brained animals. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 18/02/2015 12:30, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Carey Magee wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> Would this be able to be set as an option in the Menu/Config Menu? I currently am fine with split indication. If I include my logging program I currently have 4 indicators to remind me. >> >> Thanks >> >> 73, >> Carey Magee, K2RNY >> Rochester New York >> Grid: FN13ef >> arsk2rny at gmail.com >> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: >> >> - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is TX in this case.) >> >> - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in this case.) >> >> So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. >> >> The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. >> >> It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. >> >> It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Feb 18 11:56:40 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <6D8E06EA-AD94-46B1-BC07-DC7E8CE16FF5@elecraft.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> <6D8E06EA-AD94-46B1-BC07-DC7E8CE16FF5@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <011101d04b9b$de3b32a0$9ab197e0$@verizon.net> I can't tell you why, but I do know that I have had an issue with SPLIT more so with the K3 then my former rigs. Deservedly so I have had the frequency police alert me when I forgot to go split when I thought I was SPLIT. For some reason I don't equate the yellow LED on the left side of the panel with SPLIT. Maybe it is a mindset or an ergonomic thing? I realize we only have one choice of color with the display, which eliminates any possibility of using color to alert us there. I like some of the ideas such as large visual indicators "SPLIT" where the RCVR B frequency is displayed. Maybe that is worth a try with a beta version to see if it helps the issue? Maybe some kind of LED indicator by the SPLIT button? Wasn't there some homebrew mods like this on the K2 years ago for other functions? Maybe yellow is the wrong color where SPLIT presently is indicated? Too close in color to the display screen? Make it green? Maybe the symbol "delta f" next the yellow LED should really say SPLIT? Some rigs do not display the VFO B frequency when not in SPLIT. Some show VFO B frequency subdued when not in SPLIT. I like to know where the second receiver is tuned to even if not in SPLIT. Just some thoughts. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:04 AM To: Joe Subich, W4TV Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Joe, Just because there are three indicators for SPLIT already doesn't mean that the problem has been solved. Even crack operators have admitted during the past few days that they occasionally forget their split state, with embarrassing consequences. This is proof that the indications can and should be improved, if possible. See my previous posting. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 7:58 AM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > >> please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate >> split. > > It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when > split. In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor showing > the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote: >> Wayne, >> If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of >> something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on >> the >> P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Feb 18 11:58:27 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C30D.2090209@horizon.co.fk> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com>, , <54E4C30D.2090209@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <54E4C4B3.17368.51FC1C3@Gary.ka1j.com> > Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it > should be in split? Unless I've missed something it still needs the > operator to know when split is desired and initiate it. My YL expects me to have the telepathy module running 24/7... Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From anthony.simons at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:00:52 2015 From: anthony.simons at gmail.com (Anthony Simons) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:00:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C4B3.17368.51FC1C3@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4C30D.2090209@horizon.co.fk> <54E4C4B3.17368.51FC1C3@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Now, how can we help the guy that is in split but on the wrong VFO? On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > Will that include the telepathy module so that the K3 knows when it > > should be in split? Unless I've missed something it still needs the > > operator to know when split is desired and initiate it. > > > My YL expects me to have the telepathy module running 24/7... > > Gary KA1J > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.simons at gmail.com > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Feb 18 12:02:32 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:02:32 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: <201502181702.t1IH2XJF076280@huffman.acsalaska.net> Thank you! I need to be able to know both frequencies at a glance and not have to wait a minute for the transmit cycle to end in JT65. Keeping the present display as default works for me (and hopefully whatever option you provide in the menu makes others happy). 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Wayne Burdick To: Carey Magee Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. 73, Wayne N6KR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 18 12:03:39 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:03:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: And then, responsible people will cover up the annoying flashing LED with tape. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:17 PM To: dave at nk7z.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From djcarohmer at ntin.net Wed Feb 18 12:05:16 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:05:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> Situation awareness is the perception of environmental elements with respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the projection of their status after some variable has changed, such as time, or some other variable, such as a predetermined event. I guess we need more situational awareness. How we get there is up for debate. And we digress. When in SPLIT, the K3 already displays the Delta f LED, The SPLIT icon, and the TX arrow points to the B VFO. Configuring the DELTA-F LED to "FLASH" may, or may not, create more awareness, it just depends on the operator. I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those that need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you wouldn't have to configure it. It should not be necessary to display a message that constitutes a warning in a normal operating mode. Having three indicators when split should be enough, but we know that the size of the K3 also dictates a small display. That display has a lot of information on it, sometimes you have to look closely to see what is really going on. Maybe the P3 or a computer screen has become a more popular thing to look at, especially with DX and contesting. Since the objective is to easily determine or verify the transmit frequency with SPLIT, RIT, and XIT ops, maybe a CONFIG option could enable the Transmit frequency (in this case, VFO B) to flash three times on key down, but only when operating SPLIT, RIT, and XIT. I propose CONFIG: Tx FREQ (nor or FLASH). The K3 will never fix an operator that doesn't know what split is, or when to use it. We also can't fix an operator that doesn't know how to use his radio. It may be helpful to have a larger indicator to help an experienced operator that is familiar with his radio to easily determine the frequency of the transmitter, and also to quickly recover from an unintended push of a button or other mistake. 73, Dwayne WV5I From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 18 12:12:45 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:12:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C61757D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C61757D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: We need more Btu's to boil the ocean, to solve this major problem.................. Yea, right Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 4:22 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3. It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red. So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta. When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red. Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. Cheers, Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM To: dave at nk7z.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > for MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > for Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > for MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 12:14:06 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:14:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C046.25212.50E7B32@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com>, <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>, <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> <54E4C046.25212.50E7B32@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <628A8539-B6F5-49B6-B3C6-BF4946B0A3EC@elecraft.com> Well stated, Gary. But those who don't have a P3 could still benefit from a more overt split/non-split indication on the K3 itself. I'm going to try the method I proposed. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his > transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do > that and I'm good to go. > > However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll > click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my > software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put > in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first > frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I > first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get > me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in > SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX. > > If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have > had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if > there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd > again have no SPLIT. > > The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later > left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if > I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's > easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your > original settings be undone without you thinking about it. > > I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For > me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face > reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that > option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha. > > 73, > > Gary KA1J >> >>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided >>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to >>> indicate is not the case. >> >> Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway >> or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an >> accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an >> anvil. >> >> The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. >> Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do >> anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the >> operator that he *should be in split*. >> >> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The >> correct approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, >> the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive >> (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to >> begin transmitting" >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote: >>> Dave (AB9CA), >>> >>> Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop >>> lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are >>> just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. >>> >>> Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided >>> indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to >>> indicate is not the case. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >> > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 12:14:46 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> Message-ID: <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. I'm just not a fan of trying to make up for someones lack of attention to the job at hand. A car ad I saw on TV recently concluded with the statement that by virtue of all the safety devices on board, it wasn't necessary to devote as much attention to driving. I find that kind of thinking truly frightening. Have I transmitted on the wrong VFO? Of course, and I take full blame for that. It's not the radio's fault. It is of course your company, and your decision. I'm not going to stop vigorously supporting Elecraft. > On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing two indicators on the LCD display, and the ?f yellow LED, then more indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion. > > :) > > Well, I'm not sure I agree. Yes, there are three indicators, but they're all quite small, and the delta-F LED is off to the side. These methods of indicating split all seemed like a great idea at the time, but even I miss them sometimes, so I'm interested in trying something else. > > My proposed "split" and "non-split" text indications might solve the "didn't see the indicators" problem, because they occupy so much more area of the front panel (about 20 times more). That seems to be the crux of the issue: a lot of operators want something *BIG* to change stage when they transmit, and that something has to indicate whether they're in split or not. > > This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on VFO B) or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B). > > Wayne > N6KR > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 12:15:52 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles In-Reply-To: <54E4B7B9.6020308@seznam.cz> References: <54E4B7B9.6020308@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <1700908752.722965.1424279752566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> You may need to use a powered hub Many laptops do not put out enough of a level to work properly From: Karel Karmasin To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:03 AM Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles Hi there, I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection: On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my knowledges now, any help? Karel, OK2FD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From pmeier at me.com Wed Feb 18 12:19:10 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:19:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 3 Items for Sale-ALL SOLD!! Message-ID: <45FEAB99-A05E-42A8-A366-D35D91A76628@me.com> Thanks to all who responded. Pete Meier pmeier at me.com Amateur Radio Callsign: WK8S || If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you. But if you really make them think, they'll hate you - Don Marquis || From ke6gda at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:22:03 2015 From: ke6gda at gmail.com (Stephen Selberg) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:22:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> Message-ID: My .02 I think it's a good idea if Elecraft is willing to invest the time. I know plenty of good operators who take the time to set split only to accidentally bump a button that throws everything out of wack during the rush of "a new one". Then they continue to call thinking they're in split because they took the time to set it and ignore all the ..- .--. 'S because in their mind, they are in split. I think having it displayed on the P3 is an excellent idea because that is were the attention is for a lot of folks. Also there are hams with young children who like to run into the shack and press buttons without the operators knowledge during a bathroom break etc. this has never happened to me Hihi. Ultimately, yes ppl should pay attention, but if the ability is there to help them, why not have it. Wayne, if you build it, they will come. 73, Steve KS6PD On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > Situation awareness is the perception of environmental elements with > respect to time or space, the comprehension of their meaning, and the > projection of their status after some variable has changed, such as time, > or some other variable, such as a predetermined event. I guess we need more > situational awareness. How we get there is up for debate. And we digress. > > When in SPLIT, the K3 already displays the Delta f LED, The SPLIT icon, > and the TX arrow points to the B VFO. Configuring the DELTA-F LED to > "FLASH" may, or may not, create more awareness, it just depends on the > operator. > > I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those that > need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you wouldn't > have to configure it. > > It should not be necessary to display a message that constitutes a warning > in a normal operating mode. Having three indicators when split should be > enough, but we know that the size of the K3 also dictates a small display. > That display has a lot of information on it, sometimes you have to look > closely to see what is really going on. Maybe the P3 or a computer screen > has become a more popular thing to look at, especially with DX and > contesting. > > Since the objective is to easily determine or verify the transmit > frequency with SPLIT, RIT, and XIT ops, maybe a CONFIG option could enable > the Transmit frequency (in this case, VFO B) to flash three times on key > down, but only when operating SPLIT, RIT, and XIT. > > I propose CONFIG: Tx FREQ (nor or FLASH). > > The K3 will never fix an operator that doesn't know what split is, or when > to use it. We also can't fix an operator that doesn't know how to use his > radio. It may be helpful to have a larger indicator to help an experienced > operator that is familiar with his radio to easily determine the frequency > of the transmitter, and also to quickly recover from an unintended push of > a button or other mistake. > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke6gda at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 12:22:32 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <720314767.1195363.1424280152312.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I make it easy. I use two radios. George, W6GF On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware. Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Feb 18 12:29:55 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:29:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Options for Split and Link In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yay. Choice is good. Moots much of the argument. Maybe the same could be offered for those (few, I gather) of us who like ?Link? on the sub button? A configuration option? Ted, KN1CBR. > >Message: 16 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:30:01 -0800 >From: Wayne Burdick >To: Carey Magee >Cc: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" > warnings >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Any change we make in the way split is indicated would have to be enabled >using a menu entry. The present behavior will remain the default. > >73, >Wayne >N6KR > >> From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 18 12:30:52 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:30:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> Message-ID: I find myself in far more car accidents when driving and I take my hands off the steering wheel to start doing Excel spreadsheets. One needs to be "situationally aware". Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dave Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 AM To: Wayne Burdick; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings I dunno . . . What we are doing is attempting to address an op who is not paying attention. But, if the op is not paying attention, how is any of this going to have any effect? I think it is all a waste of time and effort. If someone is not paying attention, they are not paying attention, and the *only* cure is for them to being paying attention to what they are doing. I don't think the various band aids being discussed will help. The guy is still not going to be paying attention. He is distracted by something else. I would suggest that the time spent, which might well be wasted on this project, be used for something more productive. The K3 is fine as it is. It is the op that is the problem, not the K3. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 9:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A > is TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX > in this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ho13dave at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 12:36:19 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:36:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's pants emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if you've forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants do not have this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants slip to the ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van filming you from across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!" Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would you buy? Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect the presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a real product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger. Which would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too? The saw with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But OTOH, until this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as their immediate family members and pets, were missing at least one digit. My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a simple change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth the trouble. I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And at no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this feature--because they are well above average in awareness of state--can choose not to turn it on. (Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.) Wayne N6KR From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 18 12:41:56 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:41:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> Message-ID: Wayne, You are boiling the ocean for a small issue. I think a better CW decoder would help on CW, some op's can't copy up or Eu, or JA, or................ Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:36 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's pants emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if you've forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants do not have this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants slip to the ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van filming you from across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!" Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would you buy? Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect the presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a real product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger. Which would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too? The saw with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But OTOH, until this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as their immediate family members and pets, were missing at least one digit. My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a simple change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth the trouble. I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And at no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this feature--because they are well above average in awareness of state--can choose not to turn it on. (Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.) Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From pf at tippete.net Wed Feb 18 12:42:19 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:42:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> (Wayne Burdick's message of "Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:38:04 -0800") References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <87k2zf2k1w.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> So long as it doesn't also mess up with the output of the FA command. It's already bad enough that the radio stops to respond at all when you press REV, making all the software go in hamlib timeout. Thanks Pf >>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne Burdick writes: Wayne> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. Wayne> Wayne -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:46:18 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:46:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: With all due respect, however...... There are two times during a contest when I can get tripped up with SPLT or LINK or anything else that is not a firm habit or totally rote: STUPID -- my usual state after 24 hours with only scattered sleep, worsened by pileups not there to keep me energized and rates gone down and having to slog it out. Nothing fixes STUPID except 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep and cranial transplants. No flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will fix STUPID. LAZY -- That's when I get on because there's nothing else to do, I'm sleepy but can't go to sleep. More to the point, my basic attitude is irritated, irritated at whatever. Anything that bothers me is someone else's fault. My wife leaves me alone when I'm like that. I try not to write emails when I'm like that. I screw up SPLT because I'm not paying attention, because I don't want to pay attention. No flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will fix LAZY. DISTRACTED -- That's when there's more than one thing going on. That would be radio plus whatever. The whatever's are around all the time, need to scratch my b*tt, a bird flies past the window, a dog barks, multi/multi contest and the rates are down and the other ops are sending limericks around on the MM network. DISTRACTED is something we all need to manage, and don't want to, see LAZY. No flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will fix DISTRACTED. PAYING ATTENTION is the owner's responsibility. No one else's. SOME things would fix what seem, by the greater experience in Elecraft owner land, to be natural born trip hazards. Like guard rails to minimize the damage when a driver runs off the road, but the driver is still responsible. Could be an option to flash the delta f LED, but that is as far as I'd go. But even then after a time people will even tune out the flashing delta f LED. I normally do NOT perceive the flashing TX LED while I'm operating. Flashing TX LED is normal, and my mind has tuned out normal, looking listening for what's different, like the sound and smell of the Sabre-Tooth Tiger, back in my cave man days. The effect of flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will last until the subconscious human brain figures out that flashy, whizzy change on the panel display is NORMAL, and then the subconscious will tune it out, so it can listen for the Sabre-Tooth Tiger. 73, Guy On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote: > Bingo! No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor > operating habits. Nothing can substitute for good operating practices which > become habits. It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status before sending. > Make a habit. If you don't do that, you won't see anything flashing on the > screen either. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:50:41 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:50:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E4D0F1.1040404@gmail.com> I like this idea, at least for those with a P3. It is usually where my eyes are. If the P3 (and of course SVGA display) were to make the transmitting cursor background yellow when the K3 is in TX mode, that would immediately get my attention. Nothing could be clearer when looking at a pileup. I am not so positive about SPLIT/NON.SPLT in the VFO displays. On 18 Feb 2015 17:31, David Cole wrote: > Wayne, > If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of > something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on the > P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. > -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From wes at triconet.org Wed Feb 18 12:53:35 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:53:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency onkeydown In-Reply-To: <54E47332.5050300@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com><54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E47332.5050300@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E4D19F.8090803@triconet.org> There is no end to the issues with split. I too have a macro that locks VFO A, double taps A->B, holds A->B, and tunes VFO B up 1. (Maybe in a different order, I forget). The end result is that I'm split up 1. Great starting point on CW, but when on SSB and the split is huge (K1N) I may forget to use it. Or, this happens: K1N is on 75-meter SSB past his sunrise and fading fast. He's pretty much run out of callers so he is announcing his exact listening frequency. Without further ado I dial it up on VFO B, try to hold A->B to go into split, but accidentally tap it instead. Realizing that I'm not in split, I try again. Now I'm split okay but I'm transmitting on top of him. We need a K4 with a bigger front panel and improved ergonomics, a stronger 2nd mixer and a high voltage FET PA. Wes N7WS ps. I did work K1N just before he went QRT for 12 slots. On 2/18/2015 4:10 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > I think as you and W4TV have pointed out, there isn't a problem in determining > that SPLIT is on. Not noticing that it's OFF is the issue! Wayne can make the > radio sit up and whistle 'Dixie' when SPLIT is on and it will not help. > > I used to be prime cop meat until I made a macro to turn on SPLIT as well as > set VFO B up a couple of kHz. What caused my error was that I was so focused > on finding the station working the DX with VFO B, that I forgot the extra > button press. > > My solution was to combine turning on SPLIT with offsetting VFO B. Either the > user can make a macro, or Wayne could implement the much-discussed > programmable SPLIT feature. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 12:54:10 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C03E031-7E0B-4688-8615-4A6843DDCF19@elecraft.com> I believe the technical term for this is a "splicket." The mind boggles.... Wayne On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Guy wrote: > Wayne, > > While you are adding this "warning" feature, can you also add a cricket > sound that randomly chirps? User configurable, of course. Partly for the > amazement factor, partly to keep me company late at night while chasing > DX. And it should only operate while I'm in split mode. > > Maybe you could port some old code.... > > -- > Guy/N7UN > http://www.n7un.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From roycraft at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 12:54:47 2015 From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E4D1E7.3000402@comcast.net> This sounds like a harmless change and might even do some good. I wish there were a good way to measure its effect, however, because I'm betting it won't make a bit of difference in errors in using split. You have to look at the K3 display for it to be effective and I believe that is the root cause of the problem. People don't pay attention. At least with this change, Elecraft will have done just about all it can reasonably do and we'll see if we ever have this discussion again in the future. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/18/2015 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. > Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's pants emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if you've forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants do not have this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants slip to the ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van filming you from across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!" > > Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would you buy? > > Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect the presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a real product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger. Which would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too? The saw with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But OTOH, until this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as their immediate family members and pets, were missing at least one digit. > > My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a simple change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth the trouble. > > I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And at no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this feature--because they are well above average in awareness of state--can choose not to turn it on. > > (Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.) > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Feb 18 11:13:51 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:13:51 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: <201502181613.t1IGDqu3068531@huffman.acsalaska.net> I agree...ain't broke so why fix it? I use split with diversity reception on 2m-eme. I need to see both frequencies just like it is, currently. If you want an option to flash delta-f, fine. I note that it is illuminated when in SPLIT. My only problem is to remember to enter my new Tx frequency when I change Rx frequency via my sw (which doesn't instruct the K3, automatically). I do have a utility which I can send the K3 my new operating frequency to VFO-A which I then have to swap to have on VFO-B. A little clumsy but its become a reflex action. What I don't have is something reminding me to enter the new Tx frequency (dummy). I don't need Elecraft changing anything (its really an operator issue). So if you make a change have it available as an option in the menu, so those of use who have no issue with it as-is do not have to change anything. BTW having diversity easier to enter will be nice. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Ken K3IU To: Wayne Burdick , Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: <54E4693F.9020200 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Please leave it alone. The TX marker point to "B" and the "SPLIT" with a border around it is enough. 73, Ken K3IU 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:56:28 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:56:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <1424273499.32242.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B69C.6040408@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E4D24C.5060103@gmail.com> This is almost exactly what I would want except I'm r/g colorblind and want the cursor yellow. It might help to have the TX cursor become red only while transmitting. Then the sudden color change would act as a 'flash' and get your attention. On 18 Feb 2015 17:58, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> please consider the addition of something on the P3 to indicate >> split. > > It's *ALREADY THERE* - the Transmit (VFO B) cursor is *RED* when > split. In addition, there is a separate (*THIRD*) red cursor > showing the transmit frequency when XIT is engaged. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 10:31 AM, David Cole wrote: >> Wayne, >> If the user has a P3 connected, please consider the addition of >> something on the P3 to indicate split. Most of my eye action is on the >> P3 in a pileup, not on the frequency. -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 12:56:27 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:56:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4D1E7.3000402@comcast.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> <54E4D1E7.3000402@comcast.net> Message-ID: Ted, I think the chance of success with this change is pretty high, precisely because you *won't* have to be looking at the radio. A complete rewrite of the VFO A or B display on key-down is going to be very noticeable even with peripheral vision. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Ted Roycraft wrote: > This sounds like a harmless change and might even do some good. I wish there were a good way to measure its effect, however, because I'm betting it won't make a bit of difference in errors in using split. You have to look at the K3 display for it to be effective and I believe that is the root cause of the problem. People don't pay attention. At least with this change, Elecraft will have done just about all it can reasonably do and we'll see if we ever have this discussion again in the future. > > 73, Ted, W2ZK > > On 2/18/2015 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: >> >>> If I forget to put on a belt or suspenders, maybe there could be a sensor at the door that would staple my pants to my waist. >> Of course not. But consider two companies that make pants. One company's pants emit a discrete audible warning as you approach the front door if you've forgotten to put on a belt or suspenders. The other company's pants do not have this feature, resulting in giggles from passersby as your pants slip to the ground as you exit the building. Oh, and there's a TV van filming you from across the street. A crowd gathers, chanting "UP! UP!" >> >> Assuming the difference in cost is negligible, which company's pants would you buy? >> >> Another example. There's a company that makes table saws that will detect the presence of skin contacting the blade and immediately stop. (This is a real product.) Everyone else's table saw will happily amputate your finger. Which would you want? Suppose your son or daughter were using the saw, too? The saw with skin conductivity detection does cost considerably more. But OTOH, until this saw was invented, about half of all carpenters, as well as their immediate family members and pets, were missing at least one digit. >> >> My point is that everyone, even experts, make mistakes. In some cases a simple change can prevent most of them, most of the time. It may be worth the trouble. >> >> I want our radio to save our customers from embarrassment when possible. And at no additional charge. So, I'm going to implement the split/non-split text display for the next beta release. Those who don't need this feature--because they are well above average in awareness of state--can choose not to turn it on. >> >> (Until then, everyone, keep your pants on.) >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From WB4SON at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:57:18 2015 From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:57:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: Personally, I think anything that might even slightly improve the chance that an operator might detect the wrong mode is a good thing. >From the original description, this sounds like a minor code change, so it isn't like it is taking a lot of firmware development time. 73, Bob, WB4SON On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > With all due respect, however...... > > There are two times during a contest when I can get tripped up with > SPLT or LINK or anything else that is not a firm habit or totally > rote: > > STUPID -- my usual state after 24 hours with only scattered sleep, > worsened by pileups not there to keep me energized and rates gone down > and having to slog it out. Nothing fixes STUPID except 8 uninterrupted > hours of sleep and cranial transplants. No flashy, whizzy change on > the panel display will fix STUPID. > > LAZY -- That's when I get on because there's nothing else to do, I'm > sleepy but can't go to sleep. More to the point, my basic attitude is > irritated, irritated at whatever. Anything that bothers me is someone > else's fault. My wife leaves me alone when I'm like that. I try not to > write emails when I'm like that. I screw up SPLT because I'm not > paying attention, because I don't want to pay attention. No flashy, > whizzy change on the panel display will fix LAZY. > > DISTRACTED -- That's when there's more than one thing going on. That > would be radio plus whatever. The whatever's are around all the time, > need to scratch my b*tt, a bird flies past the window, a dog barks, > multi/multi contest and the rates are down and the other ops are > sending limericks around on the MM network. DISTRACTED is something we > all need to manage, and don't want to, see LAZY. No flashy, whizzy > change on the panel display will fix DISTRACTED. > > PAYING ATTENTION is the owner's responsibility. No one else's. > > SOME things would fix what seem, by the greater experience in Elecraft > owner land, to be natural born trip hazards. Like guard rails to > minimize the damage when a driver runs off the road, but the driver is > still responsible. > > Could be an option to flash the delta f LED, but that is as far as I'd > go. But even then after a time people will even tune out the flashing > delta f LED. I normally do NOT perceive the flashing TX LED while I'm > operating. Flashing TX LED is normal, and my mind has tuned out > normal, looking listening for what's different, like the sound and > smell of the Sabre-Tooth Tiger, back in my cave man days. > > The effect of flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will last > until the subconscious human brain figures out that flashy, whizzy > change on the panel display is NORMAL, and then the subconscious will > tune it out, so it can listen for the Sabre-Tooth Tiger. > > 73, Guy > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Ted Roycraft > wrote: > > Bingo! No amount of flashing on the K3 screen is going to correct poor > > operating habits. Nothing can substitute for good operating practices > which > > become habits. It takes 2 seconds to check the K3 status before > sending. > > Make a habit. If you don't do that, you won't see anything flashing on > the > > screen either. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb4son at gmail.com > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:57:36 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:57:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com> <54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <54E43367.6030103@ntin.net> Message-ID: Amen, maybe modulate the off and on at an audio frequency to make it wax and wane instead of blink. Nah, I didn't say that. I really didn't. That strange guy standing over there in the corner, he said it, wasn't me.... 73, Guy On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > How about CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > > On 2/18/2015 12:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a >> flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, >> given this discussion. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: >> >>> Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? >>> -- >>> Thanks and 73's, >>> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: >>> www.nk7z.net >>> for MixW support see; >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >>> for Dopplergram information see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info >>> for MM-SSTV see: >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:04:20 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How I handle split operation Message-ID: With rare exceptions my K3 ... and K2 ... are always in split mode, even for routine rag chewing. This habit goes back as far as my Drake twins. I still blunder and embarras myself but it's my fault because I've not paid attention to what I was doing. I can't blame it on the radio. No amount of firmware will make up for our own uh-ohs. I'm perfectly happy with the K3 ... with it's Anderson PP's ... as it is. (:-) 73 Ken - K0PP From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 13:08:55 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:08:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> Message-ID: <1424282935.32242.126.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV spewed: Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an anvil. === Untrue Joe... No where do I imply that it should be "impossible" for an accident to happen. In fact I infer just the opposite, that there should be safeguards. I infer it by use of sarcasm. You are again taking everything to extremes, then arguing that issue as if the originator of the statement also took things to extremes. Please read what was typed and respond to what was typed, not your translation of what was typed. On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV sprayed the Internet with: The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the operator that he *should be in split*. === Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said here... Many Ops here have said, (repeatedly), that the radio is dropping out of Split for some reason, and they are not noticing it. Hence your premise that the Ops need to be told they "*should be in split*" is deeply flawed. Clearly there is an issue Joe... There are just too many people requesting a change. On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV heaved up the following: The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The correct approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to begin transmitting" === Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut the mustard on it's own... For those of us that make mistakes Joe, (unlike yourself evidently), there is an issue here... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote: > > Dave (AB9CA), > > > > Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop > > lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are > > just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. > > > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > > indicate is not the case. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 13:10:54 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? Message-ID: <1666070475.801239.1424283054207.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I ordered a pair of the?KSYN3A boards because mainly I have an interest in below 500 kHz. I already have the?KBPF3 General Coverage RX Bandpass boards installed in both my receivers.As I understand it I will need to use the RX & AUX antenna inputs. Is it possible to move the lower limit down (lower than 100 kHz) or is is a constraint of the HW? Will there be a Mod to the KBPF3 to allow it to work better below 500 kHz??Thank you From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:10:31 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles In-Reply-To: <1700908752.722965.1424279752566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E4B7B9.6020308@seznam.cz> <1700908752.722965.1424279752566.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dimly powered USB connectors are as common as nails in computer land. It's a favorite cheap, cheap trick by the bulk manufacturers, where even pennies multiplied by a million units is a lot of money. I have had that kind of problem in just about every PC, laptop I ever bought. Follow Harry's advice: Powered hub. 73, Guy. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > You may need to use a powered hub > Many laptops do not put out enough of a level to work properly > > > From: Karel Karmasin > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:03 AM > Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles > > Hi there, > > I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection: > On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including > USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same > USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB > port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is > installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB > ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on > the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my > knowledges now, any help? > > Karel, OK2FD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 13:15:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles In-Reply-To: <54E4D5A7.9030407@seznam.cz> References: <54E4D5A7.9030407@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <686586644.754178.1424283318040.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure what to tell you to try next. Some laptops just don't supply enough voltage to work well with RS-232 From: Karel Karmasin To: Harry Yingst Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles Tried two different USB to RS232 adapters (both working on desktop PC). Dne 18.2.2015 v 18:47 Harry Yingst napsal(a): You could try a different USB to RS-232 adapter. From: Karel Karmasin To: Harry Yingst Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles Hi Harry, just tried usb powered hub - still the same, no success. Tried also PCMCIA RS232 card - same problem. Karel Dne 18.2.2015 v 18:15 Harry Yingst napsal(a): You may need to use a powered hub Many laptops do not put out enough of a level to work properly From: Karel Karmasin To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 11:03 AM Subject: [Elecraft] RS232 troubles Hi there, I have following problems with my RS232 K2 connection: On a desktop PC with WIN7 everything working OK, all COM ports including USB/COM adapter running without any issue. When I am reconnected same USB/COM adapter with the same cable (between K2 and adapter) to the USB port on laptop, no communication. Of course the driver in laptop is installed and from the utilities and hardware control looks all OK. USB ports on laptop are working (checked with USB flash). All parameters on the COM port are the same as on desktop PC. I am on the end of my knowledges now, any help? Karel, OK2FD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 13:15:29 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:15:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424283329.32242.128.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Mode change drops it out of split -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:21 -0600, dave wrote: > > too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > > SPLIT > > I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"? > > The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B > button. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 18 13:17:09 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:17:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <1666070475.801239.1424283054207.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1666070475.801239.1424283054207.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2BB4DF2C-060A-498C-817B-FD76072943AB@elecraft.com> On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I ordered a pair of the KSYN3A boards because mainly I have an interest in below 500 kHz. > I already have the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Bandpass boards installed in both my receivers.As I understand it I will need to use the RX & AUX antenna inputs. Correct. > > Is it possible to move the lower limit down (lower than 100 kHz) or is is a constraint of the HW? The latter. Sensitivity gradually decreases as you do down in frequency, and you start hitting a practical lower limit for the receive chain. The preamp is not useful below 500 kHz, and will actually introduce a loss when turned on, so it should be left off in this range. > Will there be a Mod to the KBPF3 to allow it to work better below 500 kHz? Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 18 13:19:09 2015 From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:19:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Just make the choices an option in the config setting. Then, like everything else on my beloved K3, it'll work the way i want it to work. Larry, KN8N From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 13:20:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <2BB4DF2C-060A-498C-817B-FD76072943AB@elecraft.com> References: <2BB4DF2C-060A-498C-817B-FD76072943AB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2019129714.771666.1424283638187.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Even getting this much additional range is a real treat to me. From: Wayne Burdick To: Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I ordered a pair of the KSYN3A boards because mainly I have an interest in below 500 kHz. > I already have the KBPF3 General Coverage RX Bandpass boards installed in both my receivers.As I understand it I will need to use the RX & AUX antenna inputs. Correct. > > Is it possible to move the lower limit down (lower than 100 kHz) or is is a constraint of the HW? The latter. Sensitivity gradually decreases as you do down in frequency, and you start hitting a practical lower limit for the receive chain. The preamp is not useful below 500 kHz, and will actually introduce a loss when turned on, so it should be left off in this range. > Will there be a Mod to the KBPF3 to allow it to work better below 500 kHz? Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 13:21:02 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:21:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C046.25212.50E7B32@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> , <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z>, <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> <54E4C046.25212.50E7B32@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <1424283662.32242.129.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Gary, THANK YOU! That is exactly what has been happening here as well... I will find myself out of split after checking a spot. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 11:39 -0500, Gary Smith wrote: > It is the operator of the radio who must be in control of his > transmitter. When I go to a split operation I always set the K3 to do > that and I'm good to go. > > However what happens is I rarely make the Q right away and I I'll > click on another spot I need to see how that is coming in and with my > software, if there is a split frequency entered, the K3 will be put > in split as well (All is good). But, when going back to the first > frequency, unless I manually work the band switch to QSY to where I > first set up the split, clicking on a spot in the spot log will get > me there but if SPLIT wasn't in that info, I'll be back but not in > SPLIT. When I transmit I'll be dead on the DX. > > If I had clicked on a spot on the same band, I may or may not have > had a SPLIT entered based on the info the spotter had left. So if > there was no SPLIT, then QSYing back to the first frequency, I'd > again have no SPLIT. > > The problem being that I had set up a split the first time but later > left the frequency and going back to it, I have to check to see if > I'm still in split. Yes, the responsibility is mine to do so but it's > easy to be curious about other possible Qs and then having your > original settings be undone without you thinking about it. > > I suspect some version of that scenario happens to most people. For > me, seeing the words in color on the P3 would be an in your face > reminder you are in split or not. I'd love to be able to select that > option, others may not want to but it would save my can, you betcha. > > 73, > > Gary KA1J > > > > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > > > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > > > indicate is not the case. > > > > Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway > > or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an > > accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an > > anvil. > > > > The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. > > Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do > > anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the > > operator that he *should be in split*. > > > > The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The > > correct approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, > > the rig display should show a message that says "you are in transceive > > (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to > > begin transmitting" > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > On 2015-02-18 10:40 AM, David Cole wrote: > > > Dave (AB9CA), > > > > > > Given your logic, we should get rid of all street signs, and stop > > > lights, and guard rails on bridges, and roads, because the drivers are > > > just initiative, and the crutch o guard rails is not needed for them. > > > > > > Implicit in your statement, is the assumption that the provided > > > indicators are sufficient, which all of this traffic would seem to > > > indicate is not the case. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From wes at triconet.org Wed Feb 18 13:20:50 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:20:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C1F1.30602@gmail.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> <54E4BCC6.8080403@subich.com> <54E4C1F1.30602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E4D802.4040803@triconet.org> Yep. Pity the guy who still tunes to find DX and hasn't see a spot with split info. He hears one of these stations and starts calling after a few "QRZ"s. He's lit on with a vengeance. Same thing with DX working by continents or call areas that don't regularly announce that either. Then you get, "He's working JAs you moron." Wes N7WS .On 2/18/2015 9:46 AM, dave wrote: > > > The only real solution is signal decoding > > that listens for "UP" and automatically engages split. > > Even this won't work for those ops who rarely send UP. I listened to one DX > last evening, TI9/xxxxxx, who went 20 min without ID'ing and *never* sent UP. > From wes at triconet.org Wed Feb 18 13:23:29 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <720314767.1195363.1424280152312.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <720314767.1195363.1424280152312.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E4D8A1.4060005@triconet.org> There you go, a 75A-4 and a DX-100. On 2/18/2015 10:22 AM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > I make it easy. I use two radios. > George, W6GF > > O From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 13:24:59 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:24:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> Message-ID: <1424283899.32242.130.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I agree, this would work for me, and then the people that simply can't stand it flashing, can turn it off... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 11:05 -0600, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those > that need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you > wouldn't have to configure it. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 13:35:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Message-ID: <1481362110.818391.1424284518913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> One of the things that attracted me to the K3 was what I believed to be common sense. (using RS-232 instead of USB, access to band decoder lines etc). I didn't fully realize at the time of purchase that this radio would continue to be improved as much as it has been.The fact that it is being improved and maintained makes me comfortable in spending more on the Elecraft lineof products since I should not have a need to replace them anytime soon. PS: I built a K2 in the past and I was impressed with that radio, but the K3 takes it to a whole new level. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Feb 18 13:41:39 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:41:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E4DCE3.80506@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Be aware that this can be a huge problem when dealing with support or asking for help, or even when someone walks up to your radio and theirs works differently. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I can see flaws in all of the suggestions. For example, blinking a LED when transmitting means the operator has to notice that the LED isn't blinking and should be. Warning that you aren't operating "split" is an annoyance if you aren't working a DX station running splits. -- Lynn On 2/18/2015 10:19 AM, Larry Boekeloo wrote: > Just make the choices an option in the config setting. Then, like everything else on my beloved K3, it'll work the way i want it to work. > > > Larry, KN8N > From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:48:13 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:48:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424283329.32242.128.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> <1424283329.32242.128.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E4DE6D.8070306@gmail.com> On the K3 here, changing mode does not cause it to drop out of split. I can change between SSB and CW and it remains in split. If I try to go to DATA or AM it shows a 'SPLIT N/A' message in the VFO B window and refuses to change modes. So the op must manually turn off split to go to those modes. And if the op has to push the button, that is not a drop out. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/18/15 12:15 PM, David Cole wrote: > Mode change drops it out of split > From n4rp at n4rp.com Wed Feb 18 14:12:03 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:12:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <2BB4DF2C-060A-498C-817B-FD76072943AB@elecraft.com> References: <1666070475.801239.1424283054207.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <2BB4DF2C-060A-498C-817B-FD76072943AB@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and > even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the > 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 14:19:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> References: <8083AD04-8215-4627-A68C-E2E6D479AEEB@socket.net> Message-ID: <214497628.835079.1424287188571.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I think would have dropped my head and given a prayer of thanks that very moment. From: K9ZTV To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mailer" Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors ARRL Midwest Convention, Lebanon, MIssouri, 2007 . . . Possessing the only two K3s then in existence in the state of Missouri, N0SS (s.n. 8) and I (s.n. 21) were asked to set-up a booth displaying one torn apart and one on the air.? Not an hour had elapsed before yours truly got his feet tangled up in the power cord, yanking it from the on-air K3.? In that instant I became a lover of Anderson Power Poles when the $4000 rig stayed on the table and the $0.25 APP connector hit the floor. 73, Kent? K9ZTV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w7cs at theriver.com Wed Feb 18 14:25:59 2015 From: w7cs at theriver.com (Chuck Smallhouse) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:25:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity Message-ID: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> I am in the process of implementing full diversity reception of 2M CW EME signals. I will be using 2 each quad arrays of 2M long yagis, One horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized. At and after the antennas' power dividers, there will be installed equal gain and NF LNAs, followed by equal lengths of Heliax Super Flex down to the shack. In the shack will be two identical phase locked (together) down converters that drive the K3 and it's Sub RX. This will result in one polarization in one ear and the other in the opposite ear. The TX upconverter and K3, will be locked to the same source. It will be an interesting on going experiment, to see if/how this affects and hopefully somewhat overcomes the polarization rotation and faraday/libration properties of EME received signals. Also planed, will be to feed both polarizations simultaneously, during TX, with a QRO+ PA. BTW, to date I don't use any computer control of the K3 ! I don't even allow any computers to be on when performing 2M EME operations, due to the residual broad band noise and birdies emitted by most . The availability of a none computer(external) controlled SDR receiver, among other features, is what sold me on the K3/P3SVGA system. Chuck, W7CS Message: 21 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:09:08 -0800 From: Wayne Burdick To: Vic Rosenthal Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing diversity? That would *never* happen... Message-ID: <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9 at elecraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Diversity reception is characterized by perceived "phase precessing" between the two receivers' audio streams due to varying phases of the main and sub RF input signals. You don't want additional, unpredictable phase precessing on top of that due to the receivers themselves. Additive phase changes would sometimes make diversity reception less pleasant to listen to. Better to have the receivers locked together, eliminating a variable. Wayne N6KR From shelsherm at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 14:33:51 2015 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:33:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Virtual com port problem with k3, nap3, and HRD Message-ID: Is there a virtual com port program other than LP-Bridge that can be used to simultaneously connect NAP3, and the latest version of Ham Radio Deluxe to a K3? The LP-Bridge program does this for earlier versions of HRD, but the newer versions are written in Unicode and are not compatible with LP-Bridge. If anyone has a virtual com port program working in the configuration described above I really want to talk to you. Thanks, Shel WO0C From k4fi at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 18 14:35:36 2015 From: k4fi at sc.rr.com (Doug Welborn) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:35:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] While talking Split, Why do you have to turn Off to Change Modes. Message-ID: <54E4E988.6050002@sc.rr.com> Why is it necessary to have split "off" when changing modes to digital from CW/SSB or in digital going to CW or SSB? I guess there is some reason for this, but it is aggravating to have to cut off and then back on. Doug, K4fi From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Feb 18 14:35:55 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:35:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> References: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <54E4E99B.5090504@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,2/18/2015 11:25 AM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote: > I don't even allow any computers to be on when performing 2M EME > operations, due to the residual broad band noise and birdies emitted > by most . Yes, that's a real problem. You may do better with older computers. My T2x and T4x-series Thinkpads will run (but won't charge) on 12VDC, which eliminates any noise from the switching power supply, but it doesn't help with noise radiated directly by the laptop. Newer computers seem to be noisier than these older ones. We discovered that on 6M/2M grid trip last fall. The T43s were quiet enough, but my partner's much newer one was pretty bad. 73, Jim K9YC From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Feb 18 14:38:26 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:38:26 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> Wayne wrote: >You can't change the behavior of the SPLIT switch itself (that would bring >our support department to its collective knees), but you can create a custom >SPLIT macro of arbitrary complexity and assign it any of the K3's 10 >programmable function switches. We have to accept Wayne's first point: wildcat macro programmers cannot be allowed to change the behaviour of the [SPLIT] switch itself. But let's not pretend that custom Split macros are an elegant solution either. The problem isn't writing the macro, but in having to assign tat macro to something *other* than the [SPLIT] button itself... and then having to share the macro-modified K3 with guest operators or other club members. The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that ought to be part of the firmware. So the solution is for *Elecraft* to change the behaviour of the [SPLIT] button instead - by providing a firmware option for a very simple, industry standard, plain vanilla "Quick Split" function (aka "Smart Split"). That would satisfy the huge majority of K3 owners without any need to use macros... and 95% of this unending discussion would melt away. For the remaining 5% who don't care for plain vanilla, the existing macro option is still there. It really is astonishing that we're still talking about this - as if a Quick Split option for a [SPLIT] button were something new with no track record. Almost all competing transceivers have had Quick Split for over 20 years! Quick Split also fills an increasingly important role in avoiding human error in pileups... currently an area where the K3 offers no help at all. Here is a first draft of what a Split Mode configuration option could look like (borrowing heavily from other user manuals because there is absolutely no need to reinvent any of this): "SPLT MD Normal (NOR): the [SPLIT] button makes VFOB the transmit VFO (if permitted by other previously selected options - see pages xx and yy). Quick Split (QIK): the [SPLIT] button sets VFOB to the same mode as VFOA (overriding all previous band/mode settings for VFOB) and offsets the VFOB (transmit) frequency away from the existing frequency of VFOA. If the subreceiver is installed, Quick Split also matches the sub's filter bandwidth to the main, and turns on the sub using the selected headphones/speaker mode for dual receive. To activate Quick Split and pre-select the VFOB offset, rotate the VFOA knob either clockwise or anticlockwise away from NOR. (Range -20 to +20kHz in 1kHz steps, default +3kHz. Returning to 0kHz re-selects the NORmal Split mode.) " Achievable? It might need less new code than we imagine, because the method for initializing Quick Split looks an awful lot like the existing method for initializing Diversity, the main difference (obviously) being the frequency setting for VFOB. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 14:49:10 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request Message-ID: <1395144511.868865.1424288950606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Since so many are asking for features I'll add one I really want.?I'd like to have a few control lines I can play with. We already have DIGOUT 1 but would like to have more that I can use. Some I can do with Band decoders ?but there are times like 2 meters where?I want to switch between antennas, etc. a few extra lines would come in handy. Even if it was just an external box that read the aux busand the lines could ?be toggled from macros would be a help. I'm working towards getting as much as I ?can from the K3 automatically. Thank you From ac2fo at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 14:54:21 2015 From: ac2fo at comcast.net (AC2FO) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:54:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> Wayne I don't think you need to say NON Split on display It should either be split or no other message we are all to assume if the radio doesn't say split it is not in split mode. Do appreciate your efforts to listen to the users to make Elecraft the best out there. Dennis On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this > behavior: > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is > TX in this case.) > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in > this case.) > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you > need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the > change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would come > on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being > retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look like, > just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX > station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go to > get your attention. > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire > contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A > knob, where the action is. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com > ** From ve3iay at storm.ca Wed Feb 18 15:14:01 2015 From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> It's nice to see some recognition that the issue is not the same for people using two receivers as for people using a single receiver, but I am not sure how well the proposed solution will actually work in the two-receiver "sub-RX implied split" (or "reverse split") situation. When I am using "sub-RX implied split", the K3's SPLIT indicator is off, because I am transmitting on VFO A. The proposed solution would show "NON.SPLT" on the VFO B display, which is not correct in this situation (I am actually operating split, listening on VFO B and transmitting on VFO A). If I manage somehow to leave my K3 in SPLIT mode with the DX in the subRX, I will be transmitting on the DX frequency but the VFO A display will show "SPLIT" even though in this case I am erroneously operating non-split. I also operate SO2V in many contests, meaning that I have two logging windows open in my contest software, one for each VFO. If I choose to work someone non-split from the VFO B logging window, the software automatically puts the K3 into SPLIT mode in order to transmit on VFO B. The VFO A display would show "SPLIT" while I am transmitting, but actually I am not operating split. The real problem is that the rig cannot read my mind. It has no way of knowing whether I am listening to the other station on the main RX or the subRX, hence whether I am actually operating split or non-split. My solution to this is to ignore the K3's display and never use the SPLIT button on the radio, i.e. to do all split- or VFO B-related operations from software. The software knows my intention because it gives me a way to tell it what I want to do, whereas until someone comes up with a mind-reading module, the radio cannot know my real intention. 73, Rich VE3KI Wayne Burdick wrote: > This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on VFO B) \ > or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B). From jkhooper at rockisland.com Wed Feb 18 15:14:57 2015 From: jkhooper at rockisland.com (J.K. Hooper) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:14:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> References: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> Message-ID: <7A10265C-4535-4F02-8737-A807308B9F4C@rockisland.com> I agree with Dennis. Hoop K9QJS On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:54 , AC2FO wrote: Wayne I don't think you need to say NON Split on display It should either be split or no other message Dennis From riese-k3djc at juno.com Wed Feb 18 15:14:25 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:48:13 -0600 dave writes: > > On the K3 here, changing mode does not cause it to drop out of > split. > I can change between SSB and CW and it remains in split. If I try to > > This isnt going to go away ? kinda a bit much Bob K3DJC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 15:23:43 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:23:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation In-Reply-To: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> References: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> Message-ID: <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> If the K3 is equipped with sub receiver, why not work split by working the pileup on VFO A while listening to the calling station on VFO B? I've not seen anyone comment on this operating mode. 1. Keeps the xmit operation on VFO A avoiding the oops of working conventional split and forgetting to hit "split" so xmit is on VFO B. 2. Permits perusing the cacophony of pileup callers with the larger, more easily used large VFO A knob. Am I missing something? Dan AC6DM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-Operation-tp7565848p7598936.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 15:32:44 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:32:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation In-Reply-To: <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Because if the other station is low power or otherwise weak, the 3 db RX hit may be too much to bear. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft wrote: > > If the K3 is equipped with sub receiver, why not work split by working the > pileup on VFO A while listening to the calling station on VFO B? I've not > seen anyone comment on this operating mode. > > 1. Keeps the xmit operation on VFO A avoiding the oops of working > conventional split and forgetting to hit "split" so xmit is on VFO B. > 2. Permits perusing the cacophony of pileup callers with the larger, more > easily used large VFO A knob. > > Am I missing something? > > Dan > AC6DM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-Operation-tp7565848p7598936.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 15:37:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> > The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be > forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that > ought to be part of the firmware. Since *when* is a programmable split an "industry standard feature"? In 40 years, I have *never* owned a transceiver that included a programmable split feature. Admittedly some of the newer rigs may offer that function - but it was not not present in any transceiver I owned or used from the TS-520/FT-101B in the 70's through the FT-1000MP MKV including transceivers by all major manufacturers. What you are really asking for - based on the "hold split" behavior in other recent rigs is getting back to a *THIRD STATE* on a switch. It would need to be a two second hold of A-> B, one second for normal split, two for "quick split" ... another UI cluster. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 2:38 PM, Ian White wrote: > Wayne wrote: >> You can't change the behavior of the SPLIT switch itself (that would > bring >> our support department to its collective knees), but you can create a > custom >> SPLIT macro of arbitrary complexity and assign it any of the K3's 10 >> programmable function switches. > > > We have to accept Wayne's first point: wildcat macro programmers cannot > be allowed to change the behaviour of the [SPLIT] switch itself. > > But let's not pretend that custom Split macros are an elegant solution > either. The problem isn't writing the macro, but in having to assign tat > macro to something *other* than the [SPLIT] button itself... and then > having to share the macro-modified K3 with guest operators or other club > members. The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be > forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that > ought to be part of the firmware. > > So the solution is for *Elecraft* to change the behaviour of the [SPLIT] > button instead - by providing a firmware option for a very simple, > industry standard, plain vanilla "Quick Split" function (aka "Smart > Split"). That would satisfy the huge majority of K3 owners without any > need to use macros... and 95% of this unending discussion would melt > away. > > For the remaining 5% who don't care for plain vanilla, the existing > macro option is still there. > > It really is astonishing that we're still talking about this - as if a > Quick Split option for a [SPLIT] button were something new with no track > record. Almost all competing transceivers have had Quick Split for over > 20 years! Quick Split also fills an increasingly important role in > avoiding human error in pileups... currently an area where the K3 offers > no help at all. > > Here is a first draft of what a Split Mode configuration option could > look like (borrowing heavily from other user manuals because there is > absolutely no need to reinvent any of this): > > "SPLT MD > > Normal (NOR): the [SPLIT] button makes VFOB the transmit VFO (if > permitted by other previously selected options - see pages xx and yy). > > Quick Split (QIK): the [SPLIT] button sets VFOB to the same mode as VFOA > (overriding all previous band/mode settings for VFOB) and offsets the > VFOB (transmit) frequency away from the existing frequency of VFOA. If > the subreceiver is installed, Quick Split also matches the sub's filter > bandwidth to the main, and turns on the sub using the selected > headphones/speaker mode for dual receive. > > To activate Quick Split and pre-select the VFOB offset, rotate the VFOA > knob either clockwise or anticlockwise away from NOR. (Range -20 to > +20kHz in 1kHz steps, default +3kHz. Returning to 0kHz re-selects the > NORmal Split mode.) " > > Achievable? It might need less new code than we imagine, because the > method for initializing Quick Split looks an awful lot like the existing > method for initializing Diversity, the main difference (obviously) being > the frequency setting for VFOB. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 15:45:16 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:45:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E4DE6D.8070306@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> <1424283329.32242.128.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4DE6D.8070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424292316.32242.134.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Dave, That is very odd, mine did! I tested it several times, and now no... I am confused. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 12:48 -0600, dave wrote: > On the K3 here, changing mode does not cause it to drop out of split. > I can change between SSB and CW and it remains in split. If I try to > go to DATA or AM it shows a 'SPLIT N/A' message in the VFO B window > and refuses to change modes. So the op must manually turn off split to > go to those modes. And if the op has to push the button, that is not a > drop out. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 2/18/15 12:15 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Mode change drops it out of split > > From makidoja at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 15:49:04 2015 From: makidoja at gmail.com (James Balls) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:49:04 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Seperate Receive Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7DA27EEA-22EC-4B34-8510-13D776CD3D22@portcredit.net> <973A6801920948239C3A71A2BDE37B41@DavidPC> <140746F3FCE3469BBCBB1A0FCF9A007D@DavidPC> <32166B5BFFD748EB843E8C635BDB6DE0@DavidPC> Message-ID: Do you have a link to this please? Jim M0CKE On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:04:18 -0000, jim wrote: > Dallas Lankford's page on Yahoo groups -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 15:49:05 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:49:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E4DE6D.8070306@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> <1424283329.32242.128.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4DE6D.8070306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424292545.32242.135.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I can reproduce it now...Place the rig in USB... Press and hold Split... Change modes to CW, split goes away every time here. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 12:48 -0600, dave wrote: > On the K3 here, changing mode does not cause it to drop out of split. > I can change between SSB and CW and it remains in split. If I try to > go to DATA or AM it shows a 'SPLIT N/A' message in the VFO B window > and refuses to change modes. So the op must manually turn off split to > go to those modes. And if the op has to push the button, that is not a > drop out. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 2/18/15 12:15 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Mode change drops it out of split > > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 15:50:46 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:50:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> References: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> Message-ID: <1424292646.32242.136.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> I agree 100%, it does not need to say non split, just indicate split. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 14:54 -0500, AC2FO wrote: > Wayne I don't think you need to say NON Split on display It should either be > split or no other message > > we are all to assume if the radio doesn't say split it is not in split mode. > > > Do appreciate your efforts to listen to the users to make Elecraft the best > out there. > > > Dennis > > > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Suppose we provide a menu option that, when engaged, results in this > > behavior: > > > > - If you're NOT in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "NON.SPLT" on VFO B. (A is > > TX in this case.) > > > > - If you ARE in SPLIT: keying the rig shows "SPLIT" on VFO A. (B is TX in > > this case.) > > > > So, during keying in either case, the TX frequency is still displayed (you > > need to know that), but the RX display is used to provide a warning. > > > > The time constant for these displayed messages would coincide with the > > change in metering from RX to TX. Thus the "NON.SPLT" or "SPLIT" would > come > > on when you key, and stay on for at least 300 ms, the timer being > > retriggered each time you key. To get an idea of what that would look > like, > > just watch the RX and TX metering scales as you key the radio. > > > > It's not a "flashing" message, per se, but if you were calling a DX > > station on the order of every few seconds, the message would come and go > to > > get your attention. > > > > It has the advantage of being quite obvious since it changes the entire > > contents of one of the VFO displays, and both are very close to the VFO A > > knob, where the action is. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to arsk2rny at gmail.com > > > > > ** > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 15:58:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Outlook.com via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:58:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Split and Anderson Power Poles Message-ID: <8D219D4CAF16D7F-2364-80C63@webmail-va068.sysops.aol.com> WB6PSE has it right--the op should pay more attention and learn the use of the K3. And, power poles are fine when assembled correctly. Enough, please! 73, Steve, K4FJ k3 #290 and #7155 From alan at g3xaq.net Wed Feb 18 16:11:24 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:11:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receiver noise figure with KRX3 option In-Reply-To: <54E3A679.6050102@g3xaq.net> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> <54E3A679.6050102@g3xaq.net> Message-ID: <54E4FFFC.8020008@g3xaq.net> I want to parallel the receivers on my recently-acquired K2 with my K3. I have the KXV3A RX ANT option on my K3 and K160RX option on my K2. The "obvious" way to couple the two is with a 3dB hybrid but that will cost me 3dB degradation in noise figure on both receivers. The KRX3 option in the K3 has to address the same problem and I'm wondering if there are any clever tricks I can copy. I am finding the schematics hard to follow but I can see a 3dB hybrid splitting the signal path in two. Where I'm struggling is in finding where the signal goes after leaving the hybrid. Is there a super low noise amplifier that I can't find on the diagrams to make up for the hybrid when the KXR3 is fitted? Or maybe perhaps the hybrid is there all the time whether the sub receiver option is installed or not and the design absorbs the loss into the overall noise figure? Or is it all a lot cleverer than that? Thanks, Alan G3XAQ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 16:16:38 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> References: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <959529261.968164.1424294198786.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> There's always 160-190 KC 1 watt into a 49' antenna From: Ross Primrose To: Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and > even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the > 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From phystad at mac.com Wed Feb 18 16:21:40 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:21:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Record ? Message-ID: <5C90F3A2-88F7-4F5E-9FD3-B0F192A70E23@mac.com> Yesterday, the Seattle area broke an all time high-temperature record. I think the recorded high was 60 degrees besting the previously long held position of 58 degrees. No other day in recorded temperature history has a day been warmer ? the day being February 17th that is. And, a new record has been set here on Elecraft ? 10 posts so far (if I count right) by Wayne N6KR on a single subject topic: ?Split?. And, the day is not over yet. No, I have not been keeping track. I could be wrong on the amount just like the weathermen of the northwest could be wrong about yesterday?s record high temperature (which is a little depressing in that it is only a high of 60 degrees). 73, phil, K7PEH From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 16:31:05 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <54E4C64C.5060707@ntin.net> Message-ID: <54E50499.7070302@subich.com> On 2015-02-18 12:05 PM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > I suggested CONFIG: DELTA-F LED (nor or FLASH) as a solution to those > that need another "flag" to indicate SPLIT. If you don't want it, you > wouldn't have to configure it. I agree that this is the least cost and least objectionable *additional* split indicator. > Since the objective is to easily determine or verify the transmit > frequency with SPLIT, RIT, and XIT ops, maybe a CONFIG option could > enable the Transmit frequency (in this case, VFO B) to flash three > times on key down, but only when operating SPLIT, RIT, and XIT. > > I propose CONFIG: Tx FREQ (nor or FLASH). How about ... the transmit VFO - whichever VFO is selected - display blinks when transmitting. In addition to CONFIG:TX FREQ (NOR | FLASH) include CONFIG: DISP FLASH (ON | TX ONLY) to select whether the TX VFO will flash ALL THE TIME or only in transmit. That way, those who want an "in your face" display can have it in spades. After all, SPLIT is an English word and may not be understandable by all potential users of the transceiver - particularly those for whom English is not their first or even second language. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From djcarohmer at ntin.net Wed Feb 18 16:33:18 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:33:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <7A10265C-4535-4F02-8737-A807308B9F4C@rockisland.com> References: <001c01d04bb4$b0b3bc30$121b3490$@net> <7A10265C-4535-4F02-8737-A807308B9F4C@rockisland.com> Message-ID: <54E5051E.20101@ntin.net> I also agree. No need to bring attention to anything unless SPLIT is expected. If SPLIT is expected but not displayed, it's easy to see that something is not the way it is wanted. As someone with low-vision, it is easier to interpret a displayed message for special ops than it is to have to look, read, and interpret a message every time I key the transmitter. I also feel that "optionally" flashing the transmit frequency a few times without the SPLIT display would do the same thing as replacing the frequency display with SPLIT. Displaying SPLIT may cause confusion when RIT or XIT is used. Flashing the frequency would bring attention to any change of frequency resulting from SPLIT, RIT, OR XIT. Some have asked for "Quick Split". is there any parameter that could not be saved in a memory. You could wander off to any mode or frequency and simply recall the memory, sometimes with as little as a double tap of M>V. No macro or PF button would be needed, just a memory slot. 73, Dwayne WV5I On 2/18/2015 2:14 PM, J.K. Hooper wrote: > I agree with Dennis. > > Hoop > K9QJS > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:54 , AC2FO wrote: > > Wayne I don't think you need to say NON Split on display It should either be > split or no other message > > Dennis > > > From drholmes1020 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 16:36:38 2015 From: drholmes1020 at gmail.com (Doug Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <1424269430910-7598836.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E4BBFE.80608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E505E6.2010007@xplornet.com> Hi Dave, I use macros to set up my split and remove it when finished. That works very well. I am also familiar with "tap - tap - hold" to set the rig into split mode. However, if I happen to do something unrelated, and then later return to the DX, I may have caused the split to have dropped out. I do not use the special setting under CONFIG to hold that for me. Most of the time I don't want to maintain the split while working a typical two-way contact. So the problem for me is "How can I be certain that the split is active when I am expecting it?" I know there are three signals on the rig, but if I happen to be concentrating on the P3, or something else, I may not notice that I have lost the split that I had there just moments ago. I often follow the "red line" on the P3 as I search for a clear spot to make my call - - only to find out that the VFO B split wasn't really activated after all. Food for the "frequency cops". Embarrassing for me. regards, Doug, VE3VS On 2/18/2015 11:21 AM, dave wrote: > > > too easy to unknowingly have the rig "drop out" of > > SPLIT > > I'm curious about this, how does the K3 "drop out of SPLIT"? > > The only way I know to get into and out of split is to hold the A>B > button. Is there some other front panel way? Is there a firmware bug > that occasionally causes the K3 to forget it is in split? Or some > combination of presses of other buttons? > > Holding the A>B button takes a conscious effort. Not something that > happens accidentally. > > If it is external software (rig control, logger, etc) doing it, then > that software needs to be fixed. Not an Elecraft problem. > > And, FWIW, the SPLIT icon is rather large and is immediately above the > VFO B display. > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 16:45:55 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:45:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424282935.32242.126.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> <1424282935.32242.126.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E50813.1040803@subich.com> On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said > here... I am reading *and* comprehending what has been said here. I've even been guilty of not being split when I should be but *never* more than one or two transmissions and most often when the DX is not announcing that he's listening split. I make it a habit to check the Delta-F LED and/or the [SPLIT] icon before calling any station. >> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The >> correct approach would be: every time the operator activates >> transmit, the rig display should show a message that says "you are >> in transceive (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? >> Press XMIT to begin transmitting" > === > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut > the mustard on it's own... The "need another indicator" chant is extreme in itself. If three on the K3 and two on the P3 are not enough how many does it take? How distraction needs to be added until a distracted operator becomes focused? It is not logical to believe that one can focus a distracted operator by pouring on additional distractions but if you want it simply do an option that will cause the VFO A or VFO B display (whichever is selected for transmit) to blink full time and to prevent anyone from missing that distraction inhibit transmit if the second line of the display is not showing VFO B. No matter how many guardrails you install, there will always be some fool who drives into that curve 10 MPH faster than the guardrails can handle. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV spewed: > > Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway > or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an > accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an anvil. > === > > Untrue Joe... No where do I imply that it should be "impossible" for an > accident to happen. In fact I infer just the opposite, that there > should be safeguards. I infer it by use of sarcasm. > > You are again taking everything to extremes, then arguing that issue as > if the originator of the statement also took things to extremes. Please > read what was typed and respond to what was typed, not your translation > of what was typed. > > > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV sprayed the Internet > with: > > The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. > Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do > anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the > operator that he *should be in split*. > === > > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said > here... Many Ops here have said, (repeatedly), that the radio is > dropping out of Split for some reason, and they are not noticing it. > Hence your premise that the Ops need to be told they "*should be in > split*" is deeply flawed. > > Clearly there is an issue Joe... There are just too many people > requesting a change. > > > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV heaved up the > following: > > The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The correct > approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, the rig > display should show a message that says "you are in transceive (simplex) > - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to begin > transmitting" > === > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut the > mustard on it's own... > > For those of us that make mistakes Joe, (unlike yourself evidently), > there is an issue here... > From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 17:04:24 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:04:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] While talking Split, Why do you have to turn Off to Change Modes. In-Reply-To: <54E4E988.6050002@sc.rr.com> References: <54E4E988.6050002@sc.rr.com> Message-ID: YES! Now that's something to work on.... 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 18, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Doug Welborn wrote: > > Why is it necessary to have split "off" when changing modes to digital from CW/SSB or in digital > going to CW or SSB? I guess there is some reason for this, but it is aggravating > to have to cut off and then back on. > > Doug, K4fi > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Wed Feb 18 17:59:09 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:59:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: References: <1424199088847-7598715.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3A0D2.5020108@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1424300349038-7598952.post@n2.nabble.com> Glad it is working out for you. I admit my past suggestions were a bit lame and I apologize. I may have been having a migraine that day or something. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Scratched-off-screen-printing-on-a-week-old-KX3-tp7598696p7598952.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 18:02:11 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? In-Reply-To: <1424300349038-7598952.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424300349038-7598952.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1253670471.1074901.1424300531079.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Elecraft has Always made things right for any issue I've had with them. From: Bill Wilkins To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Scratched off screen printing on a week old KX3? Glad it is working out for you. I admit my past suggestions were a bit lame and I apologize. I may have been having a migraine that day or something. 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Scratched-off-screen-printing-on-a-week-old-KX3-tp7598696p7598952.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Feb 18 18:07:38 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Record ? In-Reply-To: <5C90F3A2-88F7-4F5E-9FD3-B0F192A70E23@mac.com> References: <5C90F3A2-88F7-4F5E-9FD3-B0F192A70E23@mac.com> Message-ID: <54E51B3A.6010109@foothill.net> On 2/18/2015 1:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Yesterday, the Seattle area broke an all time high-temperature > record. I think the recorded high was 60 degrees besting the > previously long held position of 58 degrees. No other day in > recorded temperature history has a day been warmer ? the day being > February 17th that is. We're in the low 70's in NorCal, no records, but way too warm [and clear] for Feb. > > And, a new record has been set here on Elecraft ? 10 posts so far (if > I count right) by Wayne N6KR on a single subject topic: ?Split?. > And, the day is not over yet. In the words of Charlie Brown, "Good Grief! I can't stand it" [while knocking head against Snoopy's Sopwith Camel]. This AM, 116 posts to the reflector, three subjects: 3 for the new synth, 13 for APP's, and a record 100 on "to split or not to split, that is the question." [apologies to William S.]. > > No, I have not been keeping track. Nor have I so I really don't know if 100 in about 24 hours is a record. Seems excessive though for such a simple function ... "Listen here, transmit there." 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 18:13:08 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <1424273036.32242.97.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424273036.32242.97.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <956042453.1052183.1424301188270.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Isn't that what the red is showing? From: David Cole To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown What a good idea!? Also, why not just write SPLIT on the screen someplace of the P3, and flash the Delta-F light. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 05:22 -0700, Cady, Fred wrote: > What I'd like to see is a change to the cursors in the P3.? It would be nice if the transmit VFO were always red.? So when not split, VFO A would be red, when XIT on, VFO A receive would be green and the XIT offset shown in red(as it is now). VFO B could stay magenta.? When split, VFO receive is green and VFO B red.? > > Flashing something when in split doesn't warn you when you should be in split and are not so I agree with Eric. > > Cheers, > Fred KE7X > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:17 PM > To: dave at nk7z.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown > > I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > > > Why not flash the Delta f lamp when in split? > > -- > > Thanks and 73's, > > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > > www.nk7z.net > > for MixW support see; > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > for Dopplergram information see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > > for MM-SSTV see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ece.montana.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Feb 18 18:14:27 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:14:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Unprogramming a programmable key? Message-ID: I looked through the Users manual and the PRM and couldn't find how to unassign a macro that had been assigned to e.g. PF2. I nulled it by assigning a blank macro to it. Of course now when pressed it does nothing other than indicate "Macro 3" Is there another way? Thanks Jim AB3CV From pfizenmayer at q.com Wed Feb 18 18:22:42 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency onkeydown In-Reply-To: <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com><54E3D787.3070408@subich.com><420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com><54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com><54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com><1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <7C253ACD06E749E2B73098F21A9C0EBE@HANKPC> Gee after reading several pages of discourse on split - I have reached the conclusion that it really was all the radios fault when in the heat of battle or a quick band change ( Hey the bandswitch buttons on the KPA are worth the price of the KPA for that alone !!!!) I did not notice I lost the split - Good to know it was not me . nothing is my fault anymore - sound familiar ??? Hank K&HP Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency onkeydown I argued for this a long time ago, but Eric and others convinced me that a flashing Delta-F LED would be "too" (!) annoying. Maybe they will recant, given this discussion. Wayne N6KR From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 18:45:51 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:45:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <956042453.1052183.1424301188270.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1424273036.32242.97.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <956042453.1052183.1424301188270.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E5242F.10404@gmail.com> In my opinion the K3 already does a more than adequate job of indicating split. The Delta LED is Eye catching enough. Mind you my P3 is to the left of My K3 thus the LED certainly within my eye-line when operating. However from the point of view of a standalone radio it might make better sense if the Delta LED was just to the right of the main display, but I am sure there are good design reasons why this is not the case. Fundamentally however we have an operating problem, far too many jump straight into a pileup without first listening to see what is happening. Taking a little time to listen first always pays dividends in terms of working the dx and lessens the chance of footshooting. If I was to suggest one change it would be for an option to prevent the Delta LED coming on when small amounts or RIT/XIT are applied, Even 1 Hz of RIT or XIT applied activates it, thus training the operator to pay less attention to the Yellow LED. Perhaps an option to only enable the Delta LED when the TX/RX offset is greater than 200Hz or 500Hz ? In IT we have a technical term for a certain type of problem that involves the operator, it's PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair ) I too have occasionally been the problem in pileups but it's my fault, it's PEBKAC and not the fault of the radio. 73 Brendan EI6IZ From montys at mindspring.com Wed Feb 18 18:34:08 2015 From: montys at mindspring.com (MontyS) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:34:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequencyonkeydown In-Reply-To: <7C253ACD06E749E2B73098F21A9C0EBE@HANKPC> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com><54E3D787.3070408@subich.com><420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com><54E3ECFF.8010502@embarqmail.com><54E3F015.9070907@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com><1424239725.32242.90.camel@nostromo.NK7Z><6ABBD2EE-C9A9-4EC5-A04C-DA48C06626A0@elecraft.com> <7C253ACD06E749E2B73098F21A9C0EBE@HANKPC> Message-ID: <789DD2D2AE5442B58DD068B2E714F949@OfficePCNUC> The sarcasm some claim is being lost in the noise of ludicrous explanations. It may make some of us who read the reflector posts to learn more prone to unsubscription. Just sayin'. YMMV. FWIW. K2DLJ - catch my article in April QST!! nothing is my fault anymore - sound familiar ??? From ava622 at verizon.net Wed Feb 18 18:56:59 2015 From: ava622 at verizon.net (WB6DJI) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:56:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: 1258MKIIs Microbit RemoteRig Pair Message-ID: <1424303819753-7598960.post@n2.nabble.com> Want to Remote Control your Elecraft K3 HF rig Have the Pair, Control & Radio Microbit units, 1258MKIIs available They are Mint ant Never been used, in original Box, with 12V supply Comes in Original Box with programing Pins ) never used. If you have a K3 and live in a Condo, a place with Antenna Restrictions, HOA's want to use your HF, VHF, etc at a remote location. The Micro-bit RemoteRig 1258MKIIs unit are the best ! Have RemoteRig (pair) of 1258MKIIs units Both Radio and Control Boxes to Remote Control your HF Station over the Internet. Never used, still in the box, like new. Includes 12V supply, never used with new programming jumpers in original box $379 or best offer USPS Money Order or PayPal. WB6DJI The remote ham radio internet sites use these Microbit Boxes to control HF radio's over the Internet Just sitting around in the Original Box from Microbit. Just never had time to get around to set it up. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-1258MKIIs-Microbit-RemoteRig-Pair-tp7598960.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jkhooper at rockisland.com Wed Feb 18 18:57:28 2015 From: jkhooper at rockisland.com (J.K. Hooper) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:57:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E5242F.10404@gmail.com> References: <1424273036.32242.97.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <956042453.1052183.1424301188270.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E5242F.10404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84D20E80-8523-484A-86AB-6163DF54EA26@rockisland.com> I?m not sure why I feel compelled to contribute to his thread when I am, in general, more the reader than the contributor. Perhaps it is because I was deathly afraid of being called a L** while trying to work Navassa. In any event, on the topic of split display, feedback, I make the following observation. I really don?t need to know when I am in split (bare with me), I need to know that I am not in split when I should be. Wayne - I?m not sure how you would code for this one. Only once was I in split when I should not have been, and nobody complained. Hoop K9QJS From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 19:19:26 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> References: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <62658354.1921615.1424305166551.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All,My synthesizer board shipped today , Looking forward to testingMy new built HB power Amp on 630 meter band with no transverter. Anyone can apply for a Experimental license to operate on the630M band - The cost is $ 65.00 for a two year Grant.73 allKen K5DNL/WG2XXM On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and > even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the > 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 19:57:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> References: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <243984504.1196890.1424307454407.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm curious about this .... Is it a full duplex system or simplex (AKA are you listening while transmit?) From: Chuck Smallhouse To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity I am in the process of implementing full diversity reception of 2M CW EME signals. I will be using 2 each quad arrays of 2M long yagis,? One horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized.? At and after the antennas' power dividers, there will be installed equal gain and NF LNAs, followed by equal lengths of Heliax Super Flex down to the shack.? In the shack will be two identical phase locked (together) down converters that drive the K3 and it's Sub RX.? This will result in one polarization in one ear and the other in the opposite ear.? The TX upconverter and K3, will be locked to the same source. It will be an interesting on going experiment, to see if/how this affects and hopefully somewhat overcomes the polarization rotation and faraday/libration properties of EME received signals. Also planed, will be to feed both polarizations simultaneously, during TX, with a QRO+ PA. BTW, to date I don't use any computer control of the K3 !? I don't even allow any computers to be on when performing 2M EME operations, due to the residual broad band noise and birdies emitted by most .? The availability of a none computer(external) controlled SDR receiver, among other features, is what sold me on the K3/P3SVGA system. Chuck,? W7CS Message: 21 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:09:08 -0800 From: Wayne Burdick To: Vic Rosenthal Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing ??? diversity? That would *never* happen... Message-ID: <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9 at elecraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Diversity reception is characterized by perceived "phase precessing" between the two receivers' audio streams due to varying phases of the main and sub RF input signals. You don't want additional, unpredictable phase precessing on top of that due to the receivers themselves. Additive phase changes would sometimes make diversity reception less pleasant to listen to. Better to have the receivers locked together, eliminating a variable. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 18 20:10:45 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:10:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <54E4B0E2.8050609@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54E53815.7010403@socal.rr.com> Are you suggesting that such notifications appear on the LCD display, that the K3 assess your behavior and show it to you? :-) Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 9:46 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > With all due respect, however...... > > There are two times during a contest when I can get tripped up with > SPLT or LINK or anything else that is not a firm habit or totally > rote: > > STUPID -- my usual state after 24 hours with only scattered sleep, > worsened by pileups not there to keep me energized and rates gone down > and having to slog it out. Nothing fixes STUPID except 8 uninterrupted > hours of sleep and cranial transplants. No flashy, whizzy change on > the panel display will fix STUPID. > > LAZY -- That's when I get on because there's nothing else to do, I'm > sleepy but can't go to sleep. More to the point, my basic attitude is > irritated, irritated at whatever. Anything that bothers me is someone > else's fault. My wife leaves me alone when I'm like that. I try not to > write emails when I'm like that. I screw up SPLT because I'm not > paying attention, because I don't want to pay attention. No flashy, > whizzy change on the panel display will fix LAZY. > > DISTRACTED -- That's when there's more than one thing going on. That > would be radio plus whatever. The whatever's are around all the time, > need to scratch my b*tt, a bird flies past the window, a dog barks, > multi/multi contest and the rates are down and the other ops are > sending limericks around on the MM network. DISTRACTED is something we > all need to manage, and don't want to, see LAZY. No flashy, whizzy > change on the panel display will fix DISTRACTED. > > PAYING ATTENTION is the owner's responsibility. No one else's. > > SOME things would fix what seem, by the greater experience in Elecraft > owner land, to be natural born trip hazards. Like guard rails to > minimize the damage when a driver runs off the road, but the driver is > still responsible. > > Could be an option to flash the delta f LED, but that is as far as I'd > go. But even then after a time people will even tune out the flashing > delta f LED. I normally do NOT perceive the flashing TX LED while I'm > operating. Flashing TX LED is normal, and my mind has tuned out > normal, looking listening for what's different, like the sound and > smell of the Sabre-Tooth Tiger, back in my cave man days. > > The effect of flashy, whizzy change on the panel display will last > until the subconscious human brain figures out that flashy, whizzy > change on the panel display is NORMAL, and then the subconscious will > tune it out, so it can listen for the Sabre-Tooth Tiger. > > 73, Guy From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 18 20:13:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:13:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <62658354.1921615.1424305166551.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E4E403.5060709@n4rp.com> <62658354.1921615.1424305166551.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E5389D.2020508@socal.rr.com> What sort of antenna do you use for the 630 m band TX, Ken? Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 4:19 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Hello All,My synthesizer board shipped today , Looking forward to testingMy new built HB power Amp on 630 meter band with no transverter. > Anyone can apply for a Experimental license to operate on the630M band - The cost is $ 65.00 for a two year Grant.73 allKen K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: > > > On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and >> even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the >> 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR > At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before > the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( > > 73, Ross N4RP > From karlerb7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 20:25:26 2015 From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (KarlErb) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:25:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes Message-ID: Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. Karl W3BF From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 21:06:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <54E5389D.2020508@socal.rr.com> References: <54E5389D.2020508@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <533637668.1960154.1424311580949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All . There is a photo of antenna and a little info on qrz-dot-com Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: What sort of antenna do you use for the 630 m band TX, Ken? Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 4:19 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Hello All,My synthesizer board shipped today , Looking forward to testingMy new built HB power Amp on 630 meter band with no transverter. > Anyone can apply for a Experimental license to operate on the630M band - The cost is $ 65.00 for a two year Grant.73 allKen K5DNL/WG2XXM >? > >? ? ? On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: >? ? > >? On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and >> even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the >> 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR > At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before > the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( > > 73, Ross N4RP > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 18 21:17:20 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 02:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? In-Reply-To: <533637668.1960154.1424311580949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E5389D.2020508@socal.rr.com> <533637668.1960154.1424311580949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994557878.1962566.1424312240580.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Phil, I'm txing now - WSPR? - set ur dial to 474.2 khz - upper side band Ken K5dnl/Wg2xxm On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:06 PM, Ken Roberson wrote: Hello All . There is a photo of antenna and a little info on qrz-dot-com Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:13 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: What sort of antenna do you use for the 630 m band TX, Ken? Phil W7OX On 2/18/15 4:19 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Hello All,My synthesizer board shipped today , Looking forward to testingMy new built HB power Amp on 630 meter band with no transverter. > Anyone can apply for a Experimental license to operate on the630M band - The cost is $ 65.00 for a two year Grant.73 allKen K5DNL/WG2XXM >? > >? ? ? On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:12 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: >? ? > >? On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and >> even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the >> 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR > At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before > the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( > > 73, Ross N4RP > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com From W2RU at frontiernet.net Wed Feb 18 21:19:02 2015 From: W2RU at frontiernet.net (W2RU - Bud Hippisley) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:19:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:25 26PM, KarlErb wrote: > > Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. Democracies and benevolent dictatorships are ?messy?. You?re giving up a chance to see product improvements hashed out right before your very eyes. Your loss. Bud, W2RU From riese-k3djc at juno.com Wed Feb 18 21:24:14 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:24:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes Message-ID: HAR as much fun as " which is the best mike for my K3 " Bob K3DJC On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:19:02 -0500 W2RU - Bud Hippisley writes: > > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:25 26PM, KarlErb wrote: > > > > Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if > not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. > > Democracies and benevolent dictatorships are ?messy?. You?re > giving up a chance to see product improvements hashed out right > before your very eyes. Your loss. > > Bud, W2RU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From drholmes at xplornet.com Wed Feb 18 21:43:50 2015 From: drholmes at xplornet.com (Doug VE3VS) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:43:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <4CE5B85B-E3B5-4080-B5DB-DB8823F21639@comcast.net> <72FA0F5A-C467-4C8B-AE07-34948C922021@comcast.net> <54E4D1E7.3000402@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1424313830934-7598971.post@n2.nabble.com> Wayne says.... I think the chance of success with this change is pretty high, precisely because you *won't* have to be looking at the radio. A complete rewrite of the VFO A or B display on key-down is going to be very noticeable even with peripheral vision. Wayne N6KR I say, thanks again for listening to a situation which confronts some of us. I consider myself to be a serious and conscientious operator, and have been a ham radio operator for more than fifty-five years. In the situation we are discussing, I know that I have already been listening to the DX station and I have properly set up the radio, using macros, for SPLIT operation. And almost always, things go well. Once in a while, I may, for a moment, change frequency to look at a spot on the DX cluster, and then return to my original frequency/band. It is at this point where I may have inadvertently dropped out of the SPLIT setup, and have missed the existing clues to right the situation. Perhaps it is the location of the cursor on the P3, indicating that I am up the band with VFO B, that trips me up for a moment. It is when a situation like this occurs that I would certainly appreciate an "in-your-face" reminder that lets me realize very quickly that I have lost my original SPLIT setting. Certainly you should maintain the interface that already exists, and make additional choices optional, but I assure you that I would like to be one to test-drive your recent suggestion. Thanks, Doug, VE3VS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/A-way-to-show-both-SPLIT-and-NON-SPLIT-warnings-tp7598841p7598971.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 21:41:53 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You folks clearly have not suffered through the umpteenth iteration of "True North" on TowerTalk. There's merely irritating, and then there's ghastly. 73, Guy. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:24 PM, wrote: > > HAR > > as much fun as " which is the best mike for my K3 " > > Bob K3DJC > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:19:02 -0500 W2RU - Bud Hippisley > writes: >> >> > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:25 26PM, KarlErb wrote: >> > >> > Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if >> not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. >> >> Democracies and benevolent dictatorships are ?messy?. You?re >> giving up a chance to see product improvements hashed out right >> before your very eyes. Your loss. >> >> Bud, W2RU >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 22:13:02 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:13:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E50813.1040803@subich.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <1424274021.32242.108.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E4B5D7.4010706@subich.com> <1424282935.32242.126.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E50813.1040803@subich.com> Message-ID: <1424315582.32242.147.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 16:45 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV hosed down the Internet with: > On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said > > here... > > I am reading *and* comprehending what has been said here. I've even > been guilty of not being split when I should be but *never* more than > one or two transmissions and most often when the DX is not announcing > that he's listening split. I make it a habit to check the Delta-F > LED and/or the [SPLIT] icon before calling any station. It's not about you Joe! I am just happy as can be that you never fail to look at the DELTA-F LED. The suggestions being presented here, are for others, myself included. I am happy you are always correct, and check the LED every-time, I don't. Sometimes, I, and it would appear others, actually-- (GASP), forget to check the LED... As Wayne said, the UI should assist users... Also having the LED flash be an option, not the default should have ended this entire discussion... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > >> The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The > >> correct approach would be: every time the operator activates > >> transmit, the rig display should show a message that says "you are > >> in transceive (simplex) - are you sure you should not engage split? > >> Press XMIT to begin transmitting" > > === > > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut > > the mustard on it's own... > > The "need another indicator" chant is extreme in itself. If three on > the K3 and two on the P3 are not enough how many does it take? How > distraction needs to be added until a distracted operator becomes > focused? > > It is not logical to believe that one can focus a distracted operator > by pouring on additional distractions but if you want it simply do > an option that will cause the VFO A or VFO B display (whichever is > selected for transmit) to blink full time and to prevent anyone from > missing that distraction inhibit transmit if the second line of the > display is not showing VFO B. > > No matter how many guardrails you install, there will always be some > fool who drives into that curve 10 MPH faster than the guardrails can > handle. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-18 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote: > > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV spewed: > > > > Implicit in your statement is that the transceiver, automobile, roadway > > or whatever should make it impossible for the operator to have an > > accident. That's not possible - there are those who can break an anvil. > > === > > > > Untrue Joe... No where do I imply that it should be "impossible" for an > > accident to happen. In fact I infer just the opposite, that there > > should be safeguards. I infer it by use of sarcasm. > > > > You are again taking everything to extremes, then arguing that issue as > > if the originator of the statement also took things to extremes. Please > > read what was typed and respond to what was typed, not your translation > > of what was typed. > > > > > > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV sprayed the Internet > > with: > > > > The current design that *THREE* separate indications of split operation. > > Any *one* of those should be sufficient. *NONE* of the proposals do > > anything to address the real question which should be how to notify the > > operator that he *should be in split*. > > === > > > > Clearly you are not reading, or comprehending, what is being said > > here... Many Ops here have said, (repeatedly), that the radio is > > dropping out of Split for some reason, and they are not noticing it. > > Hence your premise that the Ops need to be told they "*should be in > > split*" is deeply flawed. > > > > Clearly there is an issue Joe... There are just too many people > > requesting a change. > > > > > > On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 10:55 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV heaved up the > > following: > > > > The problem is that the operator *is not paying attention*. The correct > > approach would be: every time the operator activates transmit, the rig > > display should show a message that says "you are in transceive (simplex) > > - are you sure you should not engage split? Press XMIT to begin > > transmitting" > > === > > Again, using the Extreme card to make a point that just does not cut the > > mustard on it's own... > > > > For those of us that make mistakes Joe, (unlike yourself evidently), > > there is an issue here... > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 18 22:10:50 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receiver noise figure with KRX3 option In-Reply-To: <54E4FFFC.8020008@g3xaq.net> References: <54E37E14.1060008@g3xaq.net> <54E38244.4040105@embarqmail.com> <54E38535.8020600@g3xaq.net> <54E39592.4050000@embarqmail.com> <54E3A679.6050102@g3xaq.net> <54E4FFFC.8020008@g3xaq.net> Message-ID: <54E5543A.4070006@subich.com> > The "obvious" way to couple the two is with a 3dB hybrid but that > will cost me 3dB degradation in noise figure on both receivers. Yes, that's correct. However, in general one does not care so much about the noise figure of the receivers since the "antenna noise" is significantly higher than the receiver noise floor. The only time it might be an issue is on a very quiet band with an inefficient antenna (3 element yagi/vertical on 6M in a rural area ... dipole or vertical on 10 M in a rural area, etc.). > Is there a super low noise amplifier that I can't find on the > diagrams to make up for the hybrid when the KXR3 is fitted? No. There is no amplifier to make up for the -3dB loss when the hybrid is activated (when the Sub RX is enabled and uses the main antenna). The loss is certainly noticeable with signals at the receiver noise floor - e.g. weak signals on 6 or 10 meters. > Where I'm struggling is in finding where the signal goes after > leaving the hybrid. One output of the hybrid goes to the sub RX input via P2 Pin 3 of the SUB IN module. the other output returns to the main RX input via K1A and P1, Pin 9 (connects to J1 on the main board). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-18 4:11 PM, Alan Ibbetson wrote: > I want to parallel the receivers on my recently-acquired K2 with my K3. > I have the KXV3A RX ANT option on my K3 and K160RX option on my K2. The > "obvious" way to couple the two is with a 3dB hybrid but that will cost > me 3dB degradation in noise figure on both receivers. > > The KRX3 option in the K3 has to address the same problem and I'm > wondering if there are any clever tricks I can copy. I am finding the > schematics hard to follow but I can see a 3dB hybrid splitting the > signal path in two. Where I'm struggling is in finding where the signal > goes after leaving the hybrid. Is there a super low noise amplifier that > I can't find on the diagrams to make up for the hybrid when the KXR3 is > fitted? Or maybe perhaps the hybrid is there all the time whether the > sub receiver option is installed or not and the design absorbs the loss > into the overall noise figure? > > Or is it all a lot cleverer than that? > > Thanks, > > Alan G3XAQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Feb 18 22:14:03 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 03:14:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Uniquely Elecraft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, it was a bit like a DXpedition pileup, wasn?t it? Hearing Eric or Wayne actively engaging in reflector QSOs is like hearing a really sharp VKO sending QRZ - it certainly attracts attention. But it also says something significant about the unique company whose products we have in common. Very glad for that. Gud DX, Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:21:40 -0800 >From: Phil Hystad >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: [Elecraft] Split Record ? >Message-ID: <5C90F3A2-88F7-4F5E-9FD3-B0F192A70E23 at mac.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Yesterday, the Seattle area broke an all time high-temperature record. I >think the recorded high was 60 degrees besting the previously long held >position of 58 degrees. No other day in recorded temperature history has >a day been warmer ? the day being February 17th that is. > >And, a new record has been set here on Elecraft ? 10 posts so far (if I >count right) by Wayne N6KR on a single subject topic: ?Split?. And, >the day is not over yet. > >No, I have not been keeping track. I could be wrong on the amount just >like the weathermen of the northwest could be wrong about yesterday?s >record high temperature (which is a little depressing in that it is only >a high of 60 degrees). > >73, phil, K7PEH > > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 22:14:27 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:14:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424315667.32242.148.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, Actually this process has been quite interesting to me as well... It is good! We will all get input and a new feature will come from it. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 21:19 -0500, W2RU - Bud Hippisley wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:25 26PM, KarlErb wrote: > > > > Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. > > Democracies and benevolent dictatorships are ?messy?. You?re giving up a chance to see product improvements hashed out right before your very eyes. Your loss. > > Bud, W2RU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Wed Feb 18 22:15:13 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:15:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424315713.32242.149.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> That's funny Guy! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-02-18 at 21:41 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > You folks clearly have not suffered through the umpteenth iteration of > "True North" on TowerTalk. There's merely irritating, and then there's > ghastly. > > 73, Guy. > > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:24 PM, wrote: > > > > HAR > > > > as much fun as " which is the best mike for my K3 " > > > > Bob K3DJC > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:19:02 -0500 W2RU - Bud Hippisley > > writes: > >> > >> > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:25 26PM, KarlErb wrote: > >> > > >> > Will now have all notes mentioning "split" handled as trash - if > >> not spam - in order to better enjoy the reflector. > >> > >> Democracies and benevolent dictatorships are ?messy?. You?re > >> giving up a chance to see product improvements hashed out right > >> before your very eyes. Your loss. > >> > >> Bud, W2RU > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From h.pollard at gmx.com Wed Feb 18 22:40:00 2015 From: h.pollard at gmx.com (Hank Pollard) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:40:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Heil Pro7 on K3 Message-ID: <8B5585AB-EA57-45FD-B958-9C351836A09C@gmx.com> Need settings to configure Heil Pro 7 to my K3. I have the adaptor which is the 8 pin plug for the front of the K3. I also ordered the dynamic mic set up. I can trip the PTT with vox and with the PTT switch that came with the head phones, but I can't get any audible signal into the head phones. I would prefer not to have any audible from the K3 speaker, just the phones. Any help appreciated! Hank Pollard From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 18 23:31:39 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Settings for Heil Pro7 on K3 In-Reply-To: <8B5585AB-EA57-45FD-B958-9C351836A09C@gmx.com> References: <8B5585AB-EA57-45FD-B958-9C351836A09C@gmx.com> Message-ID: <54E5672B.2070007@embarqmail.com> Hank, Is the adapter you have the Kenwood adapter? Red band? When you talk into the microphone, do you see 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter? If not, adjust the Mic Gain on the K3. That should take care of the microphone end of it. The headphones are a different consideration from the microphone. Do you have the headphone plug plugged into the K3 headphone jack? Adjust the AF gain until you can hear the receiver at a volume suitable for you. If you adjust the MONitor level, you will be able to hear you transmitted audio in the headphones. None should appear in the speaker unless you unplug the headphones (or you have speaker + phones set to ON in the menu). So, set SPKR+PHONES to OFF and it should work as you desire - until you remove the headphones from the jack. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/18/2015 10:40 PM, Hank Pollard wrote: > Need settings to configure Heil Pro 7 to my K3. I have the adaptor which is the 8 pin plug for the front of the K3. I also ordered the dynamic mic set up. I can trip the PTT with vox and with the PTT switch that came with the head phones, but I can't get any audible signal into the head phones. I would prefer not to have any audible from the K3 speaker, just the phones. Any help appreciated! > > From wes at triconet.org Wed Feb 18 23:32:37 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:32:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Virtual com port problem with k3, nap3, and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E56765.1010500@triconet.org> LP-Bridge works for me but you might try VSPE. Don't use it myself, so can't help with setup tho... On 2/18/2015 12:33 PM, Shel Sherman wrote: > Is there a virtual com port program other than LP-Bridge that can be used > to simultaneously connect NAP3, and the latest version of Ham Radio Deluxe > to a K3? The LP-Bridge program does this for earlier versions of HRD, but > the newer versions are written in Unicode and are not compatible with > LP-Bridge. If anyone has a virtual com port program working in the > configuration described above I really want to talk to you. > > Thanks, > > Shel WO0C > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Feb 18 23:33:37 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:33:37 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> Message-ID: <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> We lost power for a few hours. Looks like I missed a load of fun... W4TV wrote: > >> The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be >> forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that >> ought to be part of the firmware. > >Since *when* is a programmable split an "industry standard feature"? >In 40 years, I have *never* owned a transceiver that included a >programmable split feature. Admittedly some of the newer rigs may >offer that function - but it was not not present in any transceiver I >owned or used from the TS-520/FT-101B in the 70's through the FT-1000MP >MKV including transceivers by all major manufacturers. > RTFM! My 1000MP MK1 had programmable Quick Split from 1995, so your later MkV had it too (I'm looking at a downloaded manual right now). Turning to Icom, the IC-746 had Quick Split in 1997 and their top-of-the-line models probably had it even earlier. Proof enough, if proof were needed, that the two largest transceiver manufacturers have had Quick Split as part of their feature-set for at least 20 years. From their early top-of-the-line models, Quick Split has trickled down to become an expected feature in any modern CPU-controlled HF transceiver that is targeted at DX operators. Why? Because Quick Split is helpful to users - it *guarantees* to shift the TX VFO away from the frequency of the DX station in a pileup - and also because it isn't a difficult feature for manufacturers to include. (But radios like the TS-520/FT-101B from the 1970s have no part in this discussion. You can't have programmed Split in a radio that has a hand-cranked VFO... and no CPU!) >What you are really asking for - based on the "hold split" behavior >in other recent rigs is getting back to a *THIRD STATE* on a switch. >It would need to be a two second hold of A-> B, one second for normal >split, two for "quick split" ... another UI cluster. No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. If you had read the whole posting before jumping to the wrong conclusions, it was completely clear that my suggestion was to offer Quick Split as an option that could only be selected through a new item in the Configuration menu, as an alternative behavior for the existing [SPLIT] button. That proposal does NOT require a third switch state, so I wasn't asking for one. That and everything else you wrote about "other recent rigs", "a third state" and "a two second hold" was the product of your own incorrectly imagined scenario. You made it up and you got it wrong. This is by no means an isolated case. Please try much harder to read what people ACTUALLY DID WRITE. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From alsopb at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 19 00:01:14 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:01:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54E56E1A.2090409@nc.rr.com> Ian, Except for your posting, most guys really missed half the need. Getting it into split if the first half; knowing it is in split is the other part. It's too darn easy to not get into split because it takes three correct taps/press combos to get you there. For me the success rate is under 50%. Fortunately, I've gotten around this (why should I have to) via external means. A single button SPLIT is absolutely a solution to many of the transmitting on the DX frequency occurrences.. Putting it as an option as you suggest is a good compromise between the way it is now (why??) and something really needed by the majority. Why should there be any resistance to this common sense suggestion? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/19/2015 4:33 AM, Ian White wrote: > We lost power for a few hours. Looks like I missed a load of fun... > > > W4TV wrote: >>> The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be >>> forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that >>> ought to be part of the firmware. >> Since *when* is a programmable split an "industry standard feature"? >> In 40 years, I have *never* owned a transceiver that included a >> programmable split feature. Admittedly some of the newer rigs may >> offer that function - but it was not not present in any transceiver I >> owned or used from the TS-520/FT-101B in the 70's through the FT-1000MP >> MKV including transceivers by all major manufacturers. >> > RTFM! > > My 1000MP MK1 had programmable Quick Split from 1995, so your later MkV > had it too (I'm looking at a downloaded manual right now). Turning to > Icom, the IC-746 had Quick Split in 1997 and their top-of-the-line > models probably had it even earlier. > > Proof enough, if proof were needed, that the two largest transceiver > manufacturers have had Quick Split as part of their feature-set for at > least 20 years. From their early top-of-the-line models, Quick Split has > trickled down to become an expected feature in any modern CPU-controlled > HF transceiver that is targeted at DX operators. > > Why? Because Quick Split is helpful to users - it *guarantees* to shift > the TX VFO away from the frequency of the DX station in a pileup - and > also because it isn't a difficult feature for manufacturers to include. > > (But radios like the TS-520/FT-101B from the 1970s have no part in this > discussion. You can't have programmed Split in a radio that has a > hand-cranked VFO... and no CPU!) > > >> What you are really asking for - based on the "hold split" behavior >> in other recent rigs is getting back to a *THIRD STATE* on a switch. >> It would need to be a two second hold of A-> B, one second for normal >> split, two for "quick split" ... another UI cluster. > > No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. > > If you had read the whole posting before jumping to the wrong > conclusions, it was completely clear that my suggestion was to offer > Quick Split as an option that could only be selected through a new item > in the Configuration menu, as an alternative behavior for the existing > [SPLIT] button. > > That proposal does NOT require a third switch state, so I wasn't asking > for one. That and everything else you wrote about "other recent rigs", > "a third state" and "a two second hold" was the product of your own > incorrectly imagined scenario. You made it up and you got it wrong. > > This is by no means an isolated case. Please try much harder to read > what people ACTUALLY DID WRITE. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4284/9138 - Release Date: 02/18/15 > > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Feb 19 00:19:55 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:19:55 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity Message-ID: <201502190519.t1J5JtLH081326@denali.acsalaska.net> I guess I missed Chuck's posting on Feb.18th. Harry: First your question the K3 is unable to operate in duplex as common ckts are used in the DSP (2nd IF) for both Tx and Rx. Only simplex operation is allowed. Chuck: A couple comments: I am already doing what you propose as far as receiving dual-pol, diversity eme signals: http://www.kl7uw.com/MAP65.htm I've posted this on the Elecraft Reflector, before. I had never considered running it for CW, which is what I think you are proposing. I guess that will work. You cannot use the 2nd IF to extract IQ baseband if you want to connect to digital sw. To do that you need to tap off both receiver's IF into a simple SDR like the LP-Pan feeding a four-port soundcard/computer. Transmitting to both polarity antennas will result in linear polarity of 45-degrees or 135-degrees, if split equally. You would be better to add a 90-degree phase line on one polarity to produce circular polarization. That will result in your signal being 3-dB weaker received by linear-pol antennas but will suffer no Faraday issues. Several DXpeditions have run this way to avoid dealing with Faraday. As long as you only run CW you do not need a computer (if you have moon pointing pre-printed). MAP65 requires a computer (of course) and is nearly immune to birdies (if not too thick). At present 95% of 2m-eme is digital. 73, Ed - KL7UW ----------- From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: Chuck Smallhouse , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity Message-ID: <243984504.1196890.1424307454407.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm curious about this .... Is it a full duplex system or simplex (AKA are you listening while transmit?) From: Chuck Smallhouse To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity I am in the process of implementing full diversity reception of 2M CW EME signals. I will be using 2 each quad arrays of 2M long yagis,? One horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized.? At and after the antennas' power dividers, there will be installed equal gain and NF LNAs, followed by equal lengths of Heliax Super Flex down to the shack.? In the shack will be two identical phase locked (together) down converters that drive the K3 and it's Sub RX.? This will result in one polarization in one ear and the other in the opposite ear.? The TX upconverter and K3, will be locked to the same source. It will be an interesting on going experiment, to see if/how this affects and hopefully somewhat overcomes the polarization rotation and faraday/libration properties of EME received signals. Also planed, will be to feed both polarizations simultaneously, during TX, with a QRO+ PA. BTW, to date I don't use any computer control of the K3 !? I don't even allow any computers to be on when performing 2M EME operations, due to the residual broad band noise and birdies emitted by most .? The availability of a none computer(external) controlled SDR receiver, among other features, is what sold me on the K3/P3SVGA system. Chuck,? W7CS 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 02:11:27 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:11:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation In-Reply-To: <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <23B1EBE1-A431-4EE3-87FE-32BD66164054@elecraft.com> This is discussed briefly on page 38 of the owner's manual ("SPLIT mode with the sub receiver"). I think of it as "implied split." I have posted about this technique on a few occasions. It has the advantage that you can tune the pileup with the large VFO A knob, and you don't have to engage in endless debate about how to enhance SPLIT mode. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft wrote: > If the K3 is equipped with sub receiver, why not work split by working the > pileup on VFO A while listening to the calling station on VFO B? I've not > seen anyone comment on this operating mode. > > 1. Keeps the xmit operation on VFO A avoiding the oops of working > conventional split and forgetting to hit "split" so xmit is on VFO B. > 2. Permits perusing the cacophony of pileup callers with the larger, more > easily used large VFO A knob. > > Am I missing something? > > Dan > AC6DM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-Operation-tp7565848p7598936.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 02:32:09 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <201502190519.t1J5JtLH081326@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201502190519.t1J5JtLH081326@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <1122310133.1382757.1424331129726.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes I understand the K3 is a Non-Duplex radio. Truthfully I have yet to really look at Sat Seriously and the last I really read up on it wasyears ago ?(up on one band down on another)?So for some reason I had it stuck in my mindthat you had to listen to yourself (Duplex) Something I'll need to read up on again. Thank you From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity I guess I missed Chuck's posting on Feb.18th. Harry: First your question the K3 is unable to operate in duplex as common ckts are used in the DSP (2nd IF) for both Tx and Rx.? Only simplex operation is allowed. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 02:33:14 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:33:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> Message-ID: Useful analysis, Rich. I agree this might cause some confusion. Here's a simpler variation. Suppose we give operators the option of briefly flashing the entire transmit VFO frequency off/on once each time you start keying? This would duplicate the intent of the "TX" arrow, which points to either "A" or "B" but is small enough to get lost unless you're looking right at it. No new semantics -- just a more visible TX VFO indication. This wouldn't tell you whether you're in split mode. But flashing the A vs. B displays would look quite different to the eye, so you'd quickly get used to looking for the right one as confirmation of your intent. Wayne N6KR On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > It's nice to see some recognition that the issue is not the same for people using two receivers as for people using a single receiver, but I am not sure how well the proposed solution will actually work in the two-receiver "sub-RX implied split" (or "reverse split") situation. > > When I am using "sub-RX implied split", the K3's SPLIT indicator is off, because I am transmitting on VFO A. The proposed solution would show "NON.SPLT" on the VFO B display, which is not correct in this situation (I am actually operating split, listening on VFO B and transmitting on VFO A). If I manage somehow to leave my K3 in SPLIT mode with the DX in the subRX, I will be transmitting on the DX frequency but the VFO A display will show "SPLIT" even though in this case I am erroneously operating non-split. > > I also operate SO2V in many contests, meaning that I have two logging windows open in my contest software, one for each VFO. If I choose to work someone non-split from the VFO B logging window, the software automatically puts the K3 into SPLIT mode in order to transmit on VFO B. The VFO A display would show "SPLIT" while I am transmitting, but actually I am not operating split. > > The real problem is that the rig cannot read my mind. It has no way of knowing whether I am listening to the other station on the main RX or the subRX, hence whether I am actually operating split or non-split. My solution to this is to ignore the K3's display and never use the SPLIT button on the radio, i.e. to do all split- or VFO B-related operations from software. The software knows my intention because it gives me a way to tell it what I want to do, whereas until someone comes up with a mind-reading module, the radio cannot know my real intention. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 02:42:27 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:42:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation In-Reply-To: <23B1EBE1-A431-4EE3-87FE-32BD66164054@elecraft.com> References: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> <23B1EBE1-A431-4EE3-87FE-32BD66164054@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1424331747802-7598987.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Wayne. I had been using the conventional split mode when it occurred to me, why am I not using what you dub "implied split"? I've been doing that since and thought I would bring it up to the group since it has little press. I acknowledge your reference to the owner's manual, but frankly had missed it prior. Otherwise, your suggestion of offering a mode to display the split mode status in a more "in your face" manner looks like a good idea. 73, Dan AC6DM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-Operation-tp7565848p7598987.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 03:45:45 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:45:45 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> Message-ID: I like this. Also changing the color on the P3 cursor when going into transmit, not just when selecting or deselecting SPLIT. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On Feb 19, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Useful analysis, Rich. I agree this might cause some confusion. > > Here's a simpler variation. Suppose we give operators the option of briefly flashing the entire transmit VFO frequency off/on once each time you start keying? This would duplicate the intent of the "TX" arrow, which points to either "A" or "B" but is small enough to get lost unless you're looking right at it. No new semantics -- just a more visible TX VFO indication. > > This wouldn't tell you whether you're in split mode. But flashing the A vs. B displays would look quite different to the eye, so you'd quickly get used to looking for the right one as confirmation of your intent. > > Wayne > N6KR > >> On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: >> >> It's nice to see some recognition that the issue is not the same for people using two receivers as for people using a single receiver, but I am not sure how well the proposed solution will actually work in the two-receiver "sub-RX implied split" (or "reverse split") situation. >> >> When I am using "sub-RX implied split", the K3's SPLIT indicator is off, because I am transmitting on VFO A. The proposed solution would show "NON.SPLT" on the VFO B display, which is not correct in this situation (I am actually operating split, listening on VFO B and transmitting on VFO A). If I manage somehow to leave my K3 in SPLIT mode with the DX in the subRX, I will be transmitting on the DX frequency but the VFO A display will show "SPLIT" even though in this case I am erroneously operating non-split. >> >> I also operate SO2V in many contests, meaning that I have two logging windows open in my contest software, one for each VFO. If I choose to work someone non-split from the VFO B logging window, the software automatically puts the K3 into SPLIT mode in order to transmit on VFO B. The VFO A display would show "SPLIT" while I am transmitting, but actually I am not operating split. >> >> The real problem is that the rig cannot read my mind. It has no way of knowing whether I am listening to the other station on the main RX or the subRX, hence whether I am actually operating split or non-split. My solution to this is to ignore the K3's display and never use the SPLIT button on the radio, i.e. to do all split- or VFO B-related operations from software. The software knows my intention because it gives me a way to tell it what I want to do, whereas until someone comes up with a mind-reading module, the radio cannot know my real intention. >> >> 73, >> Rich VE3KI From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 19 04:21:59 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:21:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> References: <20150218112600.50E583D4@dm0225.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <1459ED40-6CC5-43BB-A732-2A8DD1D4F328@yahoo.co.uk> That should work well Chuck. I know that SM5FRH had a similar system many years ago when he had his huge EME array. No computer required, just the brain doing the combining. I never tried that when I had my previous dual polarity array, I just had simple H or V switching, but I am planning to have polarity diversity this time on digital at least with a LinkRF IQ+ system. I may also try using it on CW with LINRAD and the same hardware. I agree that you have to be very careful with choice of computers and power supplies when doing EME on VHF, or make the choice not to switch them on unless absolutely necessary. Before the advent of digital modes for EME I nearly always had all things switched off apart from an old NEC laptop similar to the Tandy Model 100 with an LCD display which was totally silent RF wise. The NEC was just for giving me Moon position, tracking of the moon being done manually. Gradually computers crept into the shack as we had nice tools available like FFT waterfall displays, the first popular one being AF9Y FFTDSP and later we had various DSP audio filtering programs added to the suite of essential utilities. Now of course we have the Internet and all that entails, including distractions while operating. I see photos of shacks with multiple computers and monitors and wonder how much the noise floor must be raised by all of that on VHF. I know Leif SM5BSZ wrote an article on the extreme measures he had to take with his computer to make it quiet for LINRAD use. I remember changing the clock crystal in my old PC to a lower frequency one so that the harmonic fell below the bottom of the band. Similarly I replaced the switched mode power supply in the PC to a model that had better filtering and the noise fell 10dB. Even a dB of extra noise can kill weak signal EME. The bottom ends of our VHF and UHF bands are now so full of birdies from computers etc that CW weak signal users have to move up the band from their traditional place. For most people there is no possibility of working in the bottom 20 or 30 kHz. I contrast that to when I (and much more so Chuck, who is one of the pioneers of EME) started on EME and there was no QRM at all, if you heard something it was another station. Sometimes it is nice to get away from it all and just have a radio, headphones and key. Good luck. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 18 Feb 2015, at 19:25, Chuck Smallhouse wrote: > > I am in the process of implementing full diversity reception of 2M CW EME signals. > > I will be using 2 each quad arrays of 2M long yagis, One horizontally polarized and the other vertically polarized. At and after the antennas' power dividers, there will be installed equal gain and NF LNAs, followed by equal lengths of Heliax Super Flex down to the shack. In the shack will be two identical phase locked (together) down converters that drive the K3 and it's Sub RX. This will result in one polarization in one ear and the other in the opposite ear. The TX upconverter and K3, will be locked to the same source. > > It will be an interesting on going experiment, to see if/how this affects and hopefully somewhat overcomes the polarization rotation and faraday/libration properties of EME received signals. > > Also planed, will be to feed both polarizations simultaneously, during TX, with a QRO+ PA. > > BTW, to date I don't use any computer control of the K3 ! I don't even allow any computers to be on when performing 2M EME operations, due to the residual broad band noise and birdies emitted by most . The availability of a none computer(external) controlled SDR receiver, among other features, is what sold me on the K3/P3SVGA system. > > Chuck, W7CS > > Message: 21 > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:09:08 -0800 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Vic Rosenthal > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Who said anything about removing > diversity? That would *never* happen... > Message-ID: <835CB799-17AF-4106-A3B5-4BC9AFADBFC9 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Diversity reception is characterized by perceived "phase precessing" between the two receivers' audio streams due to varying phases of the main and sub RF input signals. You don't want additional, unpredictable phase precessing on top of that due to the receivers themselves. Additive phase changes would sometimes make diversity reception less pleasant to listen to. Better to have the receivers locked together, eliminating a variable. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From PKA at telepost.gl Thu Feb 19 05:20:39 2015 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:20:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Useful fw feature Message-ID: <295D236FD7BC5C44AB750A354BBC9D5B0D7CD5A6@wmbxnuk1.sianiut.tele.gl> When switching OFF the K3 remotely, you need to send the PS0 command before you switch OFF the PSU. To switch ON again you need first switch ON your PSU and then and then briefly ground pin 8 of the ACC. However with some devices with relay control via GSM/SMS (which is what I am using) you can close and open relays, but there may not be available an automatic brief relay closure. What I do is simply to always open the "Pin 8 relay" after sending PS0 and before switching OFF the PSU. The only way I can be sure that the "Pin 8 relay" has opened is by listening for a very weak "hump" in the audio, indicating that the K3 has switched OFF. If I am in doubt (which may easily happen in noisy environments) I have to send a relay-status request by SMS. Therefore it would be a help if the K3 could produce an audible "dit" as the very last thing before it switches OFF. For clarity the sequence I use is as follows: Switch ON 1) SW ON PSU 2) Close "Pin 8 relay" Switch OFF 1) Send PS0 2) Open "Pin 8 relay" 3) Listen carefully for K3 switching OFF 4) SW OFF PSU I just got used to do it this way - maybe there are smarter ways. But doing it this way, it would be a great help if the K3 could make an audio "dit" just before it switches OFF. Would this be annoying for most users? If so it might be made selectable. Poul-Erik, OZ4UN From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 19 05:33:25 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:33:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <1122310133.1382757.1424331129726.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <201502190519.t1J5JtLH081326@denali.acsalaska.net> <1122310133.1382757.1424331129726.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0F8F8737-8383-49DB-8349-1CB9AD5D933B@yahoo.co.uk> Hi Harry, You are correct on satellite operation a full duplex rig is useful so you can net your signal on the other station as there you are for example transmitting up to space on 70cm and receiving the transponded signal on 2m. On high orbit satellites the slight delay is off putting if you listen to your own voice delayed and you can tend to stammer! However Chuck is writing about 144MHz moonbounce not OSCAR satellite operation. O moonbounce via "OSCAR 0" we can listen to our own signal, but don't need a full duplex rig to do that because of the 2.5 second delay of our own moon echo. Typically you hear a lot of echo testing which goes like this on CW at 15wpm: Transmit "OOOOO" with a huge ERP then back to receive a weak and watery "ooooo" if you are lucky and the gods are willing. Sometimes the shift in polarisation through the ionosphere (Faraday rotation) causes the signal to come back at 90 degrees to what you sent it up at and then you will generally hear nothing. This is where having dual receivers, one on Horizontal polarisation and the other on Vertical polarisation would help a lot. On 23cm and higher frequencies, moonbounce is generally transmitted on circular polarisation and even this requires a bit of thought because the mirror reflection off the moon converts right hand circular into left hand circular, so your antenna feed system to your dish has to cope with that. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 19 Feb 2015, at 07:32, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > Yes I understand the K3 is a Non-Duplex radio. > Truthfully I have yet to really look at Sat Seriously and the last I really read up on it wasyears ago (up on one band down on another) So for some reason I had it stuck in my mindthat you had to listen to yourself (Duplex) Something I'll need to read up on again. > Thank you > > > > > From: Edward R Cole > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity > > I guess I missed Chuck's posting on Feb.18th. > > Harry: > > First your question the K3 is unable to operate in duplex as common > ckts are used in the DSP (2nd IF) for both Tx and Rx. Only simplex > operation is allowed. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 06:44:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (John K3TN via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:44:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1424346240143-7598992.post@n2.nabble.com> I may have missed the beginning of this thread, but agree with VE3KI that there is no "mind reading" solution. The current approach could be improved to reduce some errors but there is a lot of skimmer spotting that does NOT indicate "UP" or "QSK ..." and lots of people click and xmit. But reducing the number of times I (all of us) mistakenly xmit on the DX station's TX frequency would be a good thing. I'm a big fan of the "traditional" method where the larger/main VFO display always shows the TX frequency. In split operation, when not transmitting there is some visual indication your are in split mode (the K3 already does that in 2 ways) and when you transmit, the larger/main VFO display switches to show your xmit frequency and the smaller/secondary display shows the RX freq. The benefit of this tried and true approach is that you can be in split but have both VFOs on the same freq. If you xmit and the main VFO doesn't change, good indication that you may be in split mode but not really actually, truly SPLIT! That VFO swapping SPLIT display is one of only two things I find I like better when using my old TS-850 as I am now since my K3 is out at a remote site. But, boy do I miss that sub-RX! 73 John K3TN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/A-way-to-show-both-SPLIT-and-NON-SPLIT-warnings-tp7598915p7598992.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From widelitz at gte.net Thu Feb 19 06:51:32 2015 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:51:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Issue Message-ID: <12608622.1336458.1424346692161.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> From widelitz at gte.net Thu Feb 19 07:05:43 2015 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:05:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Issue Message-ID: <9954597.1336937.1424347543739.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> From dmoes at nexicom.net Thu Feb 19 07:56:24 2015 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (david Moes) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Virtual com port problem with k3, nap3, and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E5DD78.1080305@nexicom.net> I use VSPE It just rides nicely in the background with no intervention. and will allow anything I have talk to K3 all at once. except for WSjXT which relies on LP-Bridge even when running alone. It seems to pass CW keying without timing issues with same port just fine. beware however because of some license issue with Microsoft if you have 64 bit OS you have to pay for it. for 32 bit OS it is free. http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html David Moes President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club. dmoes at nexicom.net VE3DVY, VE3SD On 2/18/2015 14:33, Shel Sherman wrote: > Is there a virtual com port program other than LP-Bridge that can be used > to simultaneously connect NAP3, and the latest version of Ham Radio Deluxe > to a K3? The LP-Bridge program does this for earlier versions of HRD, but > the newer versions are written in Unicode and are not compatible with > LP-Bridge. If anyone has a virtual com port program working in the > configuration described above I really want to talk to you. > > Thanks, > > Shel WO0C > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 19 08:14:51 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> Message-ID: <54E5E1CB.90406@embarqmail.com> Wayne, I think that would be unnecessarily irritating for normal use with the frequency display blinking. I actually like what happens on the K2 (which displays only one VFO). In SPLIT or XIT, the display changes to the transmit VFO frequency - and the resultant 'blinking' is quite obvious. What would be wrong with displaying the transmit VFO in the larger upper frequency display area (even if it is also displayed in the smaller frequency display area). The result is a blinking display when SPLIT or XIT is engaged. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/19/2015 2:33 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Useful analysis, Rich. I agree this might cause some confusion. > > Here's a simpler variation. Suppose we give operators the option of briefly flashing the entire transmit VFO frequency off/on once each time you start keying? This would duplicate the intent of the "TX" arrow, which points to either "A" or "B" but is small enough to get lost unless you're looking right at it. No new semantics -- just a more visible TX VFO indication. > > This wouldn't tell you whether you're in split mode. But flashing the A vs. B displays would look quite different to the eye, so you'd quickly get used to looking for the right one as confirmation of your intent. > > Wayne > N6KR > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Feb 19 08:42:18 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Genovation Keypads Message-ID: <54E5E83A.6050200@nycap.rr.com> I have been looking at this keypad: http://store.genovation.com/programmables/cp24-db9serial.html Is anyone using one of these? If so, please contact me by email at callsign at nycap.rr.com Thanks, Bill W2BLC K-Line From w2up at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 08:43:46 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:43:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E5E1CB.90406@embarqmail.com> References: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> <54E5E1CB.90406@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1424353426968-7598998.post@n2.nabble.com> How about when NOT in split, the display flashes UPLID, alternating with the frequency? :-) Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/A-way-to-show-both-SPLIT-and-NON-SPLIT-warnings-tp7598915p7598998.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 09:13:36 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:13:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> On 2015-02-18 11:33 PM, Ian White wrote: > my suggestion was to offer Quick Split as an option that could only > be selected through a new item in the Configuration menu, as an > alternative behavior for the existing [SPLIT] button. That is *wrong* on so many levels and not even the "big boys" pervert the basic split function with an automatic offset. As you point out the MK V did have the capability but I never used it one time in the ten years or so I used the rig on a regular basis (it's still in the closet unused since getting the K3s). BTW, I can't find "quick split" in either the TS-590 or TS-990 manuals so it's still far from universal (or obvious). To force a choice between simply enabling VFO B where I have already set it and enable VFO B at a fixed offset from VFO A is wrong. It sets up for the very thing you complain about - a user who knows the operation of the rig in its normal state walks into a K3 that has been perverted with Quick Split instead of split sets down and can never get split right because quick split constantly wipes out the user's own VFO settings. > No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. What you WROTE was an "industry standard feature" - The "big boys" use a second function key or a *hold* of the split button for quick split. Since the "second key" version has always been available by using one of the PF keys, you *must* be advocating the hold option. However, since split is already a hold of A>B, as a practical matter a hold of a hold function is a long hold. Whatever is done should *never* cause the basic definition of split - "select transmit on VFO B where I have it set" to be lost or only available by resetting a menu. Such an option is equivalent to "tune VFO B with the big knob and tune VFO A with the little knob" - it turns the user interface on its head. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 09:19:54 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:19:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424346240143-7598992.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1424346240143-7598992.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E5F10A.3090203@subich.com> On 2015-02-19 6:44 AM, John K3TN via Elecraft wrote: > That VFO swapping SPLIT display is one of only two things I find I > like better when using my old TS-850 as I am now since my K3 is out > at a remote site. But, boy do I miss that sub-RX! VFO Swapping displays are a feature of *single receiver* transceivers. I do not believe *any* dual receiver transceiver ever swapped the VFO displays (Icom's "dual watch" functions is not a dual receiver). VFO Swapping displays are confusing when done with a dual receiver function. If you want a more "in your face" indication, flash the transmit VFO when transmitting but *please* make it an option. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 09:32:15 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:32:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E5E1CB.90406@embarqmail.com> References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> <54E5E1CB.90406@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54E5F3EF.9060505@subich.com> On 2015-02-19 8:14 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > What would be wrong with displaying the transmit VFO in the larger > upper frequency display area (even if it is also displayed in the > smaller frequency display area). The result is a blinking display > when SPLIT or XIT is engaged. The upper display as labeled VFO A [A]. Displaying VFO B in that space is incorrect and also means that the operator can not see where VFO A is set. The K2 is a single receiver transceiver and the display shows the operating frequency (currently selected frequency). The K3 is a dual receiver transceiver and shows the frequencies of each receiver [VFO]. That is consistent with the differences between single and dual RX transceivers across the board. BTW, the K3 *already* changes the VFO A display when switching between RX and TX when RIT or XIT is in use. In other words, the VFO A display correctly shows the current frequency of VFO A. Wayne, for those who need an "in your face" display, I *like* flashing the VFO being used for transmit. I think it could even blink slowly in receive - so there would be *no doubt* where the K3 will transmit. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From fcady at ece.montana.edu Thu Feb 19 09:37:29 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 07:37:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C617581@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> This is looking like a promising change to me. I guess "start keying" would have to have a delay so it didn't flash at QSK rates. Please consider adding a transmit color to the P3 too because when chasing the split dx I'm not looking at the K3 display at all. Thanks and cheers, Fred KE7X -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:33 AM To: Richard Ferch Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Useful analysis, Rich. I agree this might cause some confusion. Here's a simpler variation. Suppose we give operators the option of briefly flashing the entire transmit VFO frequency off/on once each time you start keying? This would duplicate the intent of the "TX" arrow, which points to either "A" or "B" but is small enough to get lost unless you're looking right at it. No new semantics -- just a more visible TX VFO indication. This wouldn't tell you whether you're in split mode. But flashing the A vs. B displays would look quite different to the eye, so you'd quickly get used to looking for the right one as confirmation of your intent. Wayne N6KR From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 19 09:46:14 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:46:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <1424346240143-7598992.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424283549.52780.YahooMailNeo@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1424346240143-7598992.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54E5F736.3080102@embarqmail.com> I also believe the real problem is the "click and transmit" action of the operator. We seem to have lost the "listen before transmitting" polite operating considerations. Listening before transmitting requires the operator an opportunity to think about where he is going to transmit, and that should provide a time to check whether the K3 is in SPLIT or not. There is not much the K3 can do to enforce good operating practices. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/19/2015 6:44 AM, John K3TN via Elecraft wrote: > I may have missed the beginning of this thread, but agree with VE3KI that > there is no "mind reading" solution. The current approach could be improved > to reduce some errors but there is a lot of skimmer spotting that does NOT > indicate "UP" or "QSK ..." and lots of people click and xmit. But reducing > the number of times I (all of us) mistakenly xmit on the DX station's TX > frequency would be a good thing. > > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 09:46:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity In-Reply-To: <0F8F8737-8383-49DB-8349-1CB9AD5D933B@yahoo.co.uk> References: <0F8F8737-8383-49DB-8349-1CB9AD5D933B@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1954128759.1664059.1424357185732.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, I'm at the point in my life where my children are now adults, and while?my jobkeeps me busy I now have a bit more time and funds to devote to hobbies. As a boy I spent a many hours reading the old handbooks older hams had givenme and dreaming, of being able to build all those interesting and exotic things. Later (while still in the Navy) I worked for a Two Way company where the Owner/Bosstook me under his wing (I owe much to that man) He gave me the confidence in my abilities. Though I spent the next 25 years in IT, my first love has always been radio and electronics. Now I just need time so I can build all those interesting and exotic things. From: David Anderson To: Harry Yingst Cc: Edward R Cole ; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity Hi Harry, You are correct on satellite operation a full duplex rig is useful so you can net your signal on the other station as there you are for example transmitting up to space on 70cm and receiving the transponded signal on 2m. On high orbit satellites the slight delay is off putting if you listen to your own voice delayed and you can tend to stammer! However Chuck is writing about 144MHz moonbounce not OSCAR satellite operation. O moonbounce via "OSCAR 0" we can listen to our own signal, but don't need a full duplex rig to do that because of the 2.5 second delay of our own moon echo. Typically you hear a lot of echo testing which goes like this on CW at 15wpm: Transmit "OOOOO" with a huge ERP then back to receive a weak and watery "ooooo" if you are lucky and the gods are willing. Sometimes the shift in polarisation through the ionosphere (Faraday rotation) causes the signal to come back at 90 degrees to what you sent it up at and then you will generally hear nothing. This is where having dual receivers, one on Horizontal polarisation and the other on Vertical polarisation would help a lot. On 23cm and higher frequencies, moonbounce is generally transmitted on circular polarisation and even this requires a bit of thought because the mirror reflection off the moon converts right hand circular into left hand circular, so your antenna feed system to your dish has to cope with that. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 19 Feb 2015, at 07:32, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > > Yes I understand the K3 is a Non-Duplex radio. > Truthfully I have yet to really look at Sat Seriously and the last I really read up on it wasyears ago? (up on one band down on another) So for some reason I had it stuck in my mindthat you had to listen to yourself (Duplex) Something I'll need to read up on again. > Thank you > > > > >? ? ? From: Edward R Cole > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3, VHF Diversity > > I guess I missed Chuck's posting on Feb.18th. > > Harry: > > First your question the K3 is unable to operate in duplex as common > ckts are used in the DSP (2nd IF) for both Tx and Rx.? Only simplex > operation is allowed. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From alsopb at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 19 09:49:10 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:49:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> Joe, This is a bunch of baloney. What you are really saying is that you don't like what most do. So be it. Ian's proposal won't gore your ox. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 2/19/2015 14:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-02-18 11:33 PM, Ian White wrote: >> my suggestion was to offer Quick Split as an option that could only >> be selected through a new item in the Configuration menu, as an >> alternative behavior for the existing [SPLIT] button. > > That is *wrong* on so many levels and not even the "big boys" pervert > the basic split function with an automatic offset. As you point out > the MK V did have the capability but I never used it one time in the > ten years or so I used the rig on a regular basis (it's still in the > closet unused since getting the K3s). BTW, I can't find "quick split" > in either the TS-590 or TS-990 manuals so it's still far from universal > (or obvious). > > To force a choice between simply enabling VFO B where I have already > set it and enable VFO B at a fixed offset from VFO A is wrong. It > sets up for the very thing you complain about - a user who knows the > operation of the rig in its normal state walks into a K3 that has > been perverted with Quick Split instead of split sets down and can > never get split right because quick split constantly wipes out the > user's own VFO settings. > > > No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. > > What you WROTE was an "industry standard feature" - The "big boys" use > a second function key or a *hold* of the split button for quick split. > Since the "second key" version has always been available by using one > of the PF keys, you *must* be advocating the hold option. However, > since split is already a hold of A>B, as a practical matter a hold of > a hold function is a long hold. > > Whatever is done should *never* cause the basic definition of split - > "select transmit on VFO B where I have it set" to be lost or only > available by resetting a menu. Such an option is equivalent to "tune > VFO B with the big knob and tune VFO A with the little knob" - it > turns the user interface on its head. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4284/9144 - Release Date: 02/19/15 > > From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 10:11:14 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C617581@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <54E4F289.8040505@storm.ca> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C617581@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <54E5FD12.3000206@subich.com> On 2015-02-19 9:37 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Please consider adding a transmit color to the P3 too because when > chasing the split dx I'm not looking at the K3 display at all. When XIT/RIT or split is activated a *third* transmit cursor already appears in red. Since the P3 display is frozen in transmit there is no other opportunity to change cursor for transmit although perhaps it would be possible to superimpose a big block *SPLIT* in the center of the display . 73, ... Joe, W4TV From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 10:29:58 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:29:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E60176.9020808@subich.com> On 2015-02-19 9:49 AM, brian wrote: > Ian's proposal won't gore your ox. BS. It sure will if I set down to another K3 that has been set up so the normal Split function is "Quick Split" that forces VFO B to some predetermined offset from VFO A. I *don't have a problem with quick split* as long as it does not involve any change to the current split operation or reprogram the operation of the current "Hold A>B". A long hold or [programmable] fixed offset of the current split function fundamentally changes the current UI. A fixed offset violates the "establish transmit on the current VFO B frequency" principle. A long hold is fraught with timing sensitivity as proven by all the problems with LINK vs. DIVERSITY. This hooey over Quick Split is just like the periodic BS about wanting direct access band buttons with frequency stacking or the debate about XFIL vs. APF v.s. Dual PB. Creating a separate button for Split with a hold for Quick Split is a feature that is not practical unless you want Wayne to design a larger front panel with more buttons ... sure it might be nice but otherwise it is a distraction as something that does not fit in the current UI. Could one come up with a better use of the current buttons? Probably. How about removing B Set - simply use A/B set up B and use A/B again. That would free up a hold of A/B for A>B then Split could move to A>B and Split Hold be used for Quick Split. However, I'm sure someone would have a problem with that solution as well. This is just one more manifestation of the user interface limitations of a small format transceiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From karlerb7 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 10:45:20 2015 From: karlerb7 at gmail.com (Karl Erb) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Uniquely Elecraft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: good point, Ted. well said. Karl > On Feb 18, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Well, it was a bit like a DXpedition pileup, wasn?t it? Hearing Eric or > Wayne actively engaging in reflector QSOs is like hearing a really sharp > VKO sending QRZ - it certainly attracts attention. > > But it also says something significant about the unique company whose > products we have in common. Very glad for that. > > Gud DX, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:21:40 -0800 >> From: Phil Hystad >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Split Record ? >> Message-ID: <5C90F3A2-88F7-4F5E-9FD3-B0F192A70E23 at mac.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Yesterday, the Seattle area broke an all time high-temperature record. I >> think the recorded high was 60 degrees besting the previously long held >> position of 58 degrees. No other day in recorded temperature history has >> a day been warmer ? the day being February 17th that is. >> >> And, a new record has been set here on Elecraft ? 10 posts so far (if I >> count right) by Wayne N6KR on a single subject topic: ?Split?. And, >> the day is not over yet. >> >> No, I have not been keeping track. I could be wrong on the amount just >> like the weathermen of the northwest could be wrong about yesterday?s >> record high temperature (which is a little depressing in that it is only >> a high of 60 degrees). >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to karlerb7 at gmail.com From dfine100 at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 19 11:58:38 2015 From: dfine100 at sbcglobal.net (David Fine) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:58:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings Message-ID: <1424365118.7783.YahooMailNeo@web184801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> For Pete's sake gentlemen, Wayne has stated that whatever is done will be menu driven, so if you don't want it, don't use it. It sounds like a lot of people could use the extra warning if the number of UP UP UPs on K1N was any indication. The conversation should now be concerned with the best way to achieve the warning. Be thankful that you have input to the decision. I don't see any other major manufacturer of Ham gear giving you the opportunity to influence the no-charge changes to your equipment. Take advantage of the opportunity and move on. W0DF From n5lz at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 12:06:32 2015 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E60176.9020808@subich.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> <54E60176.9020808@subich.com> Message-ID: <001201d04c66$6979f5c0$3c6de140$@net> I haven't really been following this thread because switching in and out of split operation with a K3 has never really been a problem for me. So I have probably missed something along the way and may not even be addressing the main thrust of the thread. I quickly learned how to operate split with my K3s when I first got them and I've never had a problem since. I agree with Joe that Quick Split is not and never was practical. I never used it on my 1000MP either and would never use it if it were available on the K3. I consider myself a seasoned DXer and over the years have operated split with pretty much every type of configuration except for a separate transmitter and receiver, but have used everything from transceiver with remote vfo all the way up to transceiver with dual receivers and panadapter. I learned how to use them all and they all worked great in my hands. The more bells and whistles one has at his disposal the easier it gets of course. As an aside, I have two K3s, one with subreceiver and panadapter and the other without subreceiver but with panadapter. From my point of view, while it is nice to have the subreceiver while operating split, it's certainly not necessary, and I've never had a problem busting big split pileups with either rig. To me, it's not a big deal to quickly switch the main tuning dial from VFO A to VFO B to quickly monitor the pileup. What I'm saying here is that I don't think anything is broken here, so I don't really think it needs fixing. As long as any new so-called enhancement is menu selected and the choice to use the old system is still available I'll be a happy camper. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? On 2015-02-19 9:49 AM, brian wrote: > Ian's proposal won't gore your ox. BS. It sure will if I set down to another K3 that has been set up so the normal Split function is "Quick Split" that forces VFO B to some predetermined offset from VFO A. I *don't have a problem with quick split* as long as it does not involve any change to the current split operation or reprogram the operation of the current "Hold A>B". A long hold or [programmable] fixed offset of the current split function fundamentally changes the current UI. A fixed offset violates the "establish transmit on the current VFO B frequency" principle. A long hold is fraught with timing sensitivity as proven by all the problems with LINK vs. DIVERSITY. This hooey over Quick Split is just like the periodic BS about wanting direct access band buttons with frequency stacking or the debate about XFIL vs. APF v.s. Dual PB. Creating a separate button for Split with a hold for Quick Split is a feature that is not practical unless you want Wayne to design a larger front panel with more buttons ... sure it might be nice but otherwise it is a distraction as something that does not fit in the current UI. Could one come up with a better use of the current buttons? Probably. How about removing B Set - simply use A/B set up B and use A/B again. That would free up a hold of A/B for A>B then Split could move to A>B and Split Hold be used for Quick Split. However, I'm sure someone would have a problem with that solution as well. This is just one more manifestation of the user interface limitations of a small format transceiver. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From w0mu at w0mu.com Thu Feb 19 12:22:44 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:22:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54E61BE4.2080802@w0mu.com> Not sure where this thread has wandered but I program M3 and M4 as "quick splits" M3 will split up 1 on cw and M4 will split up 5. You can insert filter combinations and other options if you wish. This is easily done with the programming. I am not sure if this helps. Mike W0MU On 2/18/2015 9:33 PM, Ian White wrote: > We lost power for a few hours. Looks like I missed a load of fun... > > > W4TV wrote: >>> The bedrock point of principle is this: users should *never* be >>> forced to resort to macros for simple industry-standard features that >>> ought to be part of the firmware. >> Since *when* is a programmable split an "industry standard feature"? >> In 40 years, I have *never* owned a transceiver that included a >> programmable split feature. Admittedly some of the newer rigs may >> offer that function - but it was not not present in any transceiver I >> owned or used from the TS-520/FT-101B in the 70's through the FT-1000MP >> MKV including transceivers by all major manufacturers. >> > RTFM! > > My 1000MP MK1 had programmable Quick Split from 1995, so your later MkV > had it too (I'm looking at a downloaded manual right now). Turning to > Icom, the IC-746 had Quick Split in 1997 and their top-of-the-line > models probably had it even earlier. > > Proof enough, if proof were needed, that the two largest transceiver > manufacturers have had Quick Split as part of their feature-set for at > least 20 years. From their early top-of-the-line models, Quick Split has > trickled down to become an expected feature in any modern CPU-controlled > HF transceiver that is targeted at DX operators. > > Why? Because Quick Split is helpful to users - it *guarantees* to shift > the TX VFO away from the frequency of the DX station in a pileup - and > also because it isn't a difficult feature for manufacturers to include. > > (But radios like the TS-520/FT-101B from the 1970s have no part in this > discussion. You can't have programmed Split in a radio that has a > hand-cranked VFO... and no CPU!) > > >> What you are really asking for - based on the "hold split" behavior >> in other recent rigs is getting back to a *THIRD STATE* on a switch. >> It would need to be a two second hold of A-> B, one second for normal >> split, two for "quick split" ... another UI cluster. > > No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. > > If you had read the whole posting before jumping to the wrong > conclusions, it was completely clear that my suggestion was to offer > Quick Split as an option that could only be selected through a new item > in the Configuration menu, as an alternative behavior for the existing > [SPLIT] button. > > That proposal does NOT require a third switch state, so I wasn't asking > for one. That and everything else you wrote about "other recent rigs", > "a third state" and "a two second hold" was the product of your own > incorrectly imagined scenario. You made it up and you got it wrong. > > This is by no means an isolated case. Please try much harder to read > what people ACTUALLY DID WRITE. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 12:29:07 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2029098430.3052628.1424366947964.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Why don't we get on with life. ?Split operation is implemented ?many ways by different manufactures. ?Proper split operation is a combination of radio and operator skills. ?We can do some things on the radio to improve operation, but we can not change operator skills. As I said, optimum split operation requires two radios. ?Single radio split brings into the equation many variables. ?Those who can afford multi-radio operation, try it. And the second radio does not have to be a real high performance rig. Just make sure the TX portion has a good speech processor. George, W6GF On Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:23 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > If it's an option, OK, but I am convinced that if an op misses the existing two indicators on the LCD display, and the ?f yellow LED, then more indicators aren't gonna help. And I am unanimous in my opinion. :) Well, I'm not sure I agree. Yes, there are three indicators, but they're all quite small, and the delta-F LED is off to the side. These methods of indicating split all seemed like a great idea at the time, but even I miss them sometimes, so I'm interested in trying something else. My proposed "split" and "non-split" text indications might solve the "didn't see the indicators" problem, because they occupy so much more area of the front panel (about 20 times more). That seems to be the crux of the issue: a lot of operators want something *BIG* to change stage when they transmit, and that something has to indicate whether they're in split or not. This method also works whether you're doing "real" split (RX on VFO A, TX on VFO B) or "sub-RX implied split" (TX on VFO A, RX with sub on VFO B). Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com Thu Feb 19 13:24:07 2015 From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:24:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question Message-ID: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> Normally the P3 uses the VFO A frequency as its center, but when a DX wants stations to call in very far above or below his own frequency (a very wide split, as used by K1N recently) then I need to learn how to tune the P3 away from the VFO A frequency or else the pileup does not show on the P3. The manual says this is possible but I am missing exactly how to do it. Help? Thanks in advance! Julie KT4JR From djcarohmer at ntin.net Thu Feb 19 13:25:52 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:25:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID Message-ID: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> K3 Feature Request MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) 73, Dwayne WV5I From wb6rse1 at mac.com Thu Feb 19 13:28:41 2015 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:28:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split Operation In-Reply-To: <1424331747802-7598987.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000301cdc4fa$3b80fe70$b282fb50$@net> <1424291023801-7598936.post@n2.nabble.com> <23B1EBE1-A431-4EE3-87FE-32BD66164054@elecraft.com> <1424331747802-7598987.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: When attempting to break a pileup, the reason to use the conventional SPLIT mode vs implied (assuming your have the sub RX) is to have all of the RX controls, bandwidth, APF etc. immediately available without having to use B-SET first. Steve WB6RSE > > On Feb 18, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft wrote: > > Thanks Wayne. > > I had been using the conventional split mode when it occurred to me, why am > I not using what you dub "implied split"? I've been doing that since and > thought I would bring it up to the group since it has little press. > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 13:50:18 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> Message-ID: <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I kinda like that one From: Dwayne Rohmer To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID K3 Feature Request MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) 73, Dwayne WV5I ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Thu Feb 19 14:04:05 2015 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:04:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01d04c76$d4eabd70$7ec03850$@STL-OnLine.Net> Nice, Key on the PTT key, you would get one more warning 10 minutes (or 9) after your last transmit then no more. I am bad at IDs but this falls into the someday bucket. 73, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:50 PM To: Dwayne Rohmer; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID I kinda like that one From: Dwayne Rohmer To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:25 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID K3 Feature Request MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) 73, Dwayne WV5I ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Feb 19 14:09:03 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:09:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <006e01d04c76$d4eabd70$7ec03850$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006e01d04c76$d4eabd70$7ec03850$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: How about a 555 one-shot timer set for 9.5 minutes, started (and restarted) by RF sense? wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Nice, Key on the PTT key, you would get one more warning 10 minutes (or 9) > after your last transmit then no more. I am bad at IDs but this falls into > the someday bucket. > > 73, Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry > Yingst via Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:50 PM > To: Dwayne Rohmer; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to > activate reminder to ID > > I kinda like that one > From: Dwayne Rohmer > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:25 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to > activate reminder to ID > > K3 Feature Request > > MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 19 14:18:18 2015 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:18:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO Link Message-ID: <000a01d04c78$d171d870$74558950$@carolina.rr.com> I have installed K3 v.5.10. Presently I cannot assign VFO LINK to my PF1 button. Will this be function be available soon? Thanks. Roy Morris W4WFB From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 14:34:25 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO Link In-Reply-To: <000a01d04c78$d171d870$74558950$@carolina.rr.com> References: <000a01d04c78$d171d870$74558950$@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <463C70F6-1BD3-489C-86C6-927307793BC8@elecraft.com> I was able to do this (locate the CONFIG:VFO LNK menu entry, then hold PF1 to assign the switch to it). Outside the menu, holding PF1 then does link/unlink. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:18 AM, "Roy Morris" wrote: > I have installed K3 v.5.10. Presently I cannot assign VFO LINK to my PF1 > button. Will this be function be available soon? Thanks. Roy Morris > W4WFB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 14:36:36 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:36:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> Message-ID: <1424374596816-7599020.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Julie, It sounds like you prefer to leave your P3 in Tracking mode. The procedure I'll describe works best if you have the P3 set to Fixed Tune mode. I have a Fn button set to flip back and forth between Fixed Tune and Tracking but if you don't you can easily access it from the Menu under FixTrack. Just push the SELECT knob to flip flop between Fixed Tune mode and Tracking mode. If the DX is operating UP you'll want your VFO-A cursor to be on the left side of the screen. To do this hold the CENTER button on the right side of the P3. Then twist the P3 knob clockwise. If you don't see the full pileup you may have to increase the frequency SPAN of the display. Just press the SPAN button and twist the P3 knob clockwise. If the DX station is listening DOWN then you'll move the VFO-A cursor to the right side of the screen by twisting the knob counterclockwise. 73, Mike K2MK jsdroyster wrote > Normally the P3 uses the VFO A frequency as its center, but when a DX > wants stations to call in very far above or below his own frequency (a > very wide split, as used by K1N recently) then I need to learn how to tune > the P3 away from the VFO A frequency or else the pileup does not show on > the P3. The manual says this is possible but I am missing exactly how to > do it. Help? > Thanks in advance! > Julie KT4JR -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-question-tp7599013p7599020.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pf at tippete.net Thu Feb 19 14:54:25 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:54:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> (jsdroyster@nc.rr.com's message of "Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:24:07 -0500") References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> Message-ID: <87fva13cem.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> >>>>> writes: > Normally the P3 uses the VFO A frequency as its center, but when a > DX wants stations to call in very far above or below his own > frequency (a very wide split, as used by K1N recently) then I need > to learn how to tune the P3 away from the VFO A frequency or else > the pileup does not show on the P3. The manual says this is > possible but I am missing exactly how to do it. Help? Hold CENTER and turn the knob to shift the VFO marker to your preferred position. Works in either Fixed or Tracking mode. -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx From rickv11 at frontier.com Thu Feb 19 14:59:35 2015 From: rickv11 at frontier.com (N8VCF) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:59:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] West Virginia K3 owners? Message-ID: <1424375975035-7599022.post@n2.nabble.com> I was wondering if there is any K3 owners here in the mountain state. I am in the market for a new rig and would like to look at one in the face. My QTH is Clarksburg. Thanks to everyone and 73 Rick-N8VCF -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/West-Virginia-K3-owners-tp7599022.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Thu Feb 19 15:02:09 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:02:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> Message-ID: <54E64141.5090306@sunflower.com> Hi Julie, Use the third button down and the right side of the P3 front panel - called SPAN and widen what you are looking at. You can go as wide as 200 kHz. That should do it. I like to use 100 to 50 kHz span so can see more detail on the P3 screen. I also added a 19 inch monitor so I could see the "big picture." To use a monitor, you need to add the serial port in/out to the P3. Then, you attach your USB-to-serial port adapter from your computer - assuming you are using one - so you can run from a variety of computer programs from your keyboard to the K3. Those would include the terminal program that comes with the K3 kit. I recently installed N1MM+ (and have the second RX in the K3) so have two panels open on my other monitor (for the computer) wherein I can see/control/log in two panels, one for VFOA and one for VFOB, good for contesting and reg op as well. 73, Phil, W0XI > jsdroyster at nc.rr.com > Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:24 PM > Normally the P3 uses the VFO A frequency as its center, but when a DX > wants stations to call in very far above or below his own frequency (a > very wide split, as used by K1N recently) then I need to learn how to > tune the P3 away from the VFO A frequency or else the pileup does not > show on the P3. The manual says this is possible but I am missing > exactly how to do it. Help? > Thanks in advance! > Julie KT4JR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 15:03:52 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:03:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <54E5F7E6.4020507@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E641A8.4050301@elecraft.com> Guys - Please do not make personal attacks on this list. Phrases like "bunch of baloney" "B.S." etc are outside of list guidelines. Eric List moderator elecraft.com On 2/19/2015 6:49 AM, brian wrote: > Joe, > > This is a bunch of baloney. What you are really saying is that you don't > like what most do. So be it. Ian's proposal won't gore your ox. > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 2/19/2015 14:13 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> On 2015-02-18 11:33 PM, Ian White wrote: >>> my suggestion was to offer Quick Split as an option that could only >>> be selected through a new item in the Configuration menu, as an >>> alternative behavior for the existing [SPLIT] button. >> >> That is *wrong* on so many levels and not even the "big boys" pervert >> the basic split function with an automatic offset. As you point out >> the MK V did have the capability but I never used it one time in the >> ten years or so I used the rig on a regular basis (it's still in the >> closet unused since getting the K3s). BTW, I can't find "quick split" >> in either the TS-590 or TS-990 manuals so it's still far from universal >> (or obvious). >> >> To force a choice between simply enabling VFO B where I have already >> set it and enable VFO B at a fixed offset from VFO A is wrong. It >> sets up for the very thing you complain about - a user who knows the >> operation of the rig in its normal state walks into a K3 that has >> been perverted with Quick Split instead of split sets down and can >> never get split right because quick split constantly wipes out the >> user's own VFO settings. >> >> > No... what I am "really asking for" is WHAT I REALLY WROTE. >> >> What you WROTE was an "industry standard feature" - The "big boys" use >> a second function key or a *hold* of the split button for quick split. >> Since the "second key" version has always been available by using one >> of the PF keys, you *must* be advocating the hold option. However, >> since split is already a hold of A>B, as a practical matter a hold of >> a hold function is a long hold. >> >> Whatever is done should *never* cause the basic definition of split - >> "select transmit on VFO B where I have it set" to be lost or only >> available by resetting a menu. Such an option is equivalent to "tune >> VFO B with the big knob and tune VFO A with the little knob" - it >> turns the user interface on its head. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4284/9144 - Release Date: 02/19/15 >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Thu Feb 19 15:10:50 2015 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:10:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK Message-ID: <000001d04c80$286cacc0$79460640$@carolina.rr.com> I must be doing something wrong. I can program other Config programs to work in PF1 hold, but I still can't get VFO LINK to work with this button. Is there something I am missing? From w0eb at cox.net Thu Feb 19 15:18:44 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:18:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roy (and others) if you're doing something wrong, I am too. I can get PF1 to work on any other item except VFO LNK. On anything else, when you hold PF1, it beeps and you get the message PF1 SET. This doesn't happen with the VFO LNK menu item. Holding PF1 produces the beep, but no PF1 SET message and PF1 remains set to whatever item it was previously set to. FW UC 05.10, FL 01.17, d1 and d2 both 02.83 and the DVR is not installed in my K3. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Roy Morris" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/19/2015 2:10:50 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK >I must be doing something wrong. I can program other Config programs to >work in PF1 hold, but I still can't get VFO LINK to work with this >button. >Is there something I am missing? > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 16:34:29 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:34:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This has been corrected for the next release. Tnx Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Feb 19, 2015, at 12:18 PM, "Jim's Desktop" wrote: > > Roy (and others) if you're doing something wrong, I am too. I can get PF1 to work on any other item except VFO LNK. On anything else, when you hold PF1, it beeps and you get the message PF1 SET. This doesn't happen with the VFO LNK menu item. Holding PF1 produces the beep, but no PF1 SET message and PF1 remains set to whatever item it was previously set to. > > FW UC 05.10, FL 01.17, d1 and d2 both 02.83 and the DVR is not installed in my K3. > > Jim - W0EB > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Roy Morris" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 2/19/2015 2:10:50 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK > >> I must be doing something wrong. I can program other Config programs to >> work in PF1 hold, but I still can't get VFO LINK to work with this button. >> Is there something I am missing? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From K6LE at mac.com Thu Feb 19 17:00:32 2015 From: K6LE at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:00:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Wayne, Guess I can stop trying to make it work! Rick K6LE On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This has been corrected for the next release. > > Tnx > Wayne > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > > On Feb 19, 2015, at 12:18 PM, "Jim's Desktop" wrote: > > > > Roy (and others) if you're doing something wrong, I am too. I can get > PF1 to work on any other item except VFO LNK. On anything else, when you > hold PF1, it beeps and you get the message PF1 SET. This doesn't happen > with the VFO LNK menu item. Holding PF1 produces the beep, but no PF1 SET > message and PF1 remains set to whatever item it was previously set to. > > > > FW UC 05.10, FL 01.17, d1 and d2 both 02.83 and the DVR is not installed > in my K3. > > > > Jim - W0EB > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Roy Morris" > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: 2/19/2015 2:10:50 PM > > Subject: [Elecraft] Config: VFO LINK > > > >> I must be doing something wrong. I can program other Config programs to > >> work in PF1 hold, but I still can't get VFO LINK to work with this > button. > >> Is there something I am missing? > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Feb 19 17:06:32 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:06:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E65E68.3070709@foothill.net> Years ago, one of the Heath accessories [to the SB3xx twins I think] had a large [like 2.5 cm high] "ID" indicator that came on every 10 min. Don't remember how it was reset, PTT? MAIN:ALARM - Tap 5 to activate Conelrad monitor. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org > K3 Feature Request > > MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 19 17:29:52 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:29:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <001c01d04c64$56d5ff10$0481fd30$@co.uk> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <001c01d04c64$56d5ff10$0481fd30$@co.uk> Message-ID: <54E663E0.8060001@subich.com> Ian, > Joe, your personal dislike for alternative behaviours for the Split > button does not change the facts. Yaesu and Icom, the two largest > transceiver manufacturers, *have* been providing Programmable Split > Offset as a selectable configuration option for up to 20 years. It's > right there in the user manuals. I said before that I'm not opposed to a programmable Quick Split as long as it does not change the default behavior of the Split button (A>B Hold). No new operating feature or option should cause a user familiar with the K3 to have difficulty operating any other K3. > We already know that it works for the K3 as well, in the form of > custom macros. That's very true and you are welcome to your custom macros, button box or whatever method you choose to implement Quick Split. However, unless the general user interface (and front panel) is changed to make Split the primary function on its own button, any change to the current UI should be off limits as it can and will cause more problems than it "solves." Both Icom and Yaesu make Quick Split an *optional* HOLD of the split button - it's right there in their manuals. Further, Icom is almost forced to equalize VFOs (and moving the controls to the "back" VFO) when turning on split because they are dealing with *single receiver* transceivers with no separate controls for the transmit frequency. As far as I know neither of the other "major" transceiver manufacturers - Kenwood or TenTec - offer Quick Split (at least it does not show up in a search of their current top of the line product manuals). That two of five major transceiver manufacturers offer a feature (and one does so because their UI is so screwed up) hardly makes it an "industry standard." Playing "monkey see, monkey do" with transceiver makers with some of the worst phase noise in the industry (IC-7600: -121 dBc/Hz @ 10 KHz, IC-7410: 121 dBc/Hz @ 10 KHz, Yaesu FTdx3000: -127 dBc/Hz @ 10 KHz per NC0B) in their single receiver transceivers is hardly a virtue worthy of Elecraft's aspirations. It is never wise for any equipment manufacturer to have versions of the same model in which the primary controls (and Split is a "primary control") behave differently from unit to unit. If you want to talk about a new feature set for a new model with a different UI, that's fine but don't mess with Split - even the current basic implementation is obviously a problem. Overload the control or [optionally] change the basic behavior of that control and you are going to cause real confusion. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 17:44:32 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:44:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> Message-ID: <3A47BFCD-F021-47F3-80D5-E45C59E3F605@gmail.com> Tap 5 to make it sticky (repeatable) the next time period (which could be hourly too?) Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > > K3 Feature Request > > MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 19:20:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George Fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: <54E4BDF2.6040606@socal.rr.com> References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> <54E4BDF2.6040606@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Wayne, I have it!! Buy the rights to the Kenwood TS990 front panel. There are enough buttons and displays to make anybody happy. Gee Whiz George,W6GF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 18, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > The fact that the K3 has the blessings of Cognitive Science is most reassuring, Wayne. :-) > > Phil W7OX > >> On 2/18/15 8:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> User interface design is often called upon to make up for human failings. We get distracted, we forget, we have trouble breaking bad habits, we easily acquire new ones. This is true no matter how much training we have. The designer tries to take such issues into account up front, but sometimes we find out later and make adjustments. >> >> My cognitive science professor, Don Norman, put a heavy emphasis on embedding knowledge "in the world." Signs and indicators need to be as unambiguous as possible to help those of us who can't or won't pay attention. Ideally the indications are intuitive, so users adapt to them easily and don't feel oppressed by them. That distinction is in play here. And while I'd love to add a dozen more LEDs, a klaxon horn, and a Van de Graf generator to the K3's user interface, we have to work within the limits of the existing hardware. >> >> Providing an optional means of reinforcing split/non-split state is in the tradition of design iteration -- using feedback about real errors that people make, then minimizing them. That's why we're having this conversation. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From k9fd at flex.com Thu Feb 19 19:23:16 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:23:16 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <006e01d04c76$d4eabd70$7ec03850$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> <1479574730.1914193.1424371818117.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006e01d04c76$d4eabd70$7ec03850$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <54E67E74.7010101@flex.com> I think there should be a conelrad alert system built in also, since the K3 can cover the BC band and knows when the alert system would go off, have the display blink the entire display for national alerts. If the VHF option was installed it could also pick up the weather alert signals and warnings and flash that on the screen.., Of course in a conelrad alert it should disable the transmitter immediately per regulations. There should also be a roger beep sent when unkeying the mike so that you know your no longer transmitting and the other station can hear when you stop for sure, so they do not double on your transmission. Something new other than the standard beep we hear, perhaps a ding dong type sound. Just a few more features and the K3 could be the best general radio on the market. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Nice, Key on the PTT key, you would get one more warning 10 minutes (or 9) > after your last transmit then no more. I am bad at IDs but this falls into > the someday bucket. > > 73, Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry > Yingst via Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:50 PM > To: Dwayne Rohmer; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to > activate reminder to ID > > I kinda like that one > From: Dwayne Rohmer > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:25 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to > activate reminder to ID > > K3 Feature Request > > MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) > > 73, > > Dwayne WV5I > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > . > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 19 19:33:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed Message-ID: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the KAT3. Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? Thank you From rthorne at rthorne.net Thu Feb 19 19:39:53 2015 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed In-Reply-To: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E68259.4000502@rthorne.net> Bypass it. Rich - N5ZC On 2/19/2015 6:33 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the KAT3. > Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? > Thank you > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 19 19:49:58 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:49:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed In-Reply-To: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E684B6.5030403@socal.rr.com> I bypass it, Harry. Might want to use the K3/100 barefoot, afterall. Phil W7OX On 2/19/15 4:33 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the KAT3. > Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? > Thank you > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 20:00:59 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:00:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E663E0.8060001@subich.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <001c01d04c64$56d5ff10$0481fd30$@co.uk> <54E663E0.8060001@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E6874B.9020909@elecraft.com> I think we've beat this topic to death at this point. Let's close the thread for now to give everyone else some relief from quick split topic overload. 73, Eric List Modulator elecraft.com ==== On 2/19/2015 2:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 20:01:38 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:01:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed In-Reply-To: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E68772.8060100@gmail.com> Bypass it. I believe in multiple redundancies for critical parts (except amps, too expensive). Besides I may choose to put the K3 in the RV one of these days and with the KANT3 in it, it's ready to go. 73, Rick wa6nhc On 2/19/2015 4:33 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the KAT3. > Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? > Thank you From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu Feb 19 20:02:54 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:02:54 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable Split? In-Reply-To: <54E663E0.8060001@subich.com> References: <00d701d04bb2$7c393450$74ab9cf0$@co.uk> <54E4F7F3.3090407@subich.com> <001801d04bfd$401288f0$c0379ad0$@co.uk> <54E5EF90.3020709@subich.com> <001c01d04c64$56d5ff10$0481fd30$@co.uk> <54E663E0.8060001@subich.com> Message-ID: <000c01d04ca8$fa8ff720$efafe560$@co.uk> W4TV wrote: >If you want to talk >about a new feature set for a new model with a different UI, that's >fine but don't mess with Split "Don't mess with Split" is not your call to make, Joe. > even the current basic implementation >is obviously a problem. Overload the control or [optionally] change >the basic behavior of that control and you are going to cause real >confusion. At last, something we can agree about: "the current basic implementation is obviously a problem". The problem is that the current implementation of Split is *too* basic. It cannot handle the routine task of preparing the K3 for pileup operation without significant risk of human error. Hence the request for a 'smarter' alternative that also includes the vital step of moving VFOB away from the frequency of the DX station. I am totally confident that Elecraft can handle the implications of offering two alternative behaviors for the [SPLIT] button, given that Yaesu and Icom have long been able to offer two alternatives or even three. I am also confident that Elecraft users are at least as competent as Yaesu and Icom users. Let's keep this in perspective: this is a straightforward feature request for an option that already has a proven 20-year track record. Since it would only be an option, every K3 user would still be free to make their own individual choice. Given all that, I see no reason for just *one* individual to have responded in such a wildly exaggerated manner. "A K3 that has been perverted with Quick Split"... wherever is *that* coming from? 73 from Ian GM3SEK From eric at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 20:03:31 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:03:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Feature Request - Main: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID In-Reply-To: <3A47BFCD-F021-47F3-80D5-E45C59E3F605@gmail.com> References: <54E62AB0.4070205@ntin.net> <3A47BFCD-F021-47F3-80D5-E45C59E3F605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E687E3.9070306@elecraft.com> Let's close this thread for now in the interest of keeping list traffic volume under control. 73, Eric List moderator etc. elecraft.com On 2/19/2015 2:44 PM, Rick Bates, WA6NHC wrote: > Tap 5 to make it sticky (repeatable) the next time period (which could be hourly too?) > Rick, WA6NHC >> On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: >> K3 Feature Request >> MAIN: ALARM - Tap 4 to activate reminder to ID (two beeps every ten minutes) >> From eric at elecraft.com Thu Feb 19 20:04:35 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:04:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] A way to show both "SPLIT" and "NON-SPLIT" warnings In-Reply-To: References: <7D586CA0-F7F8-42CD-A4C1-4EE68ECB3EDB@elecraft.com> <54E4AD00.4030901@gmail.com> <003001d04b91$de2cbf40$9a863dc0$@windstream.net> <54E4BDF2.6040606@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E68823.4000901@elecraft.com> Let's also let the Split/Not Split warning thread rest for now. We've definitely beat this one to death! :-) 73, Eric List moderator and therapist.. elecraft.com On 2/19/2015 4:20 PM, George Fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > Wayne, I have it!! Buy the rights to the Kenwood TS990 front panel. There are enough buttons and displays to make anybody happy. Gee Whiz > > George,W6GF > > Sent from my iPad > From ve2axo at videotron.ca Thu Feb 19 21:46:18 2015 From: ve2axo at videotron.ca (VE2AXO) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:46:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split "off " alarm Message-ID: <54E69FFA.2040301@videotron.ca> Wayne, Would it be possible to have an alarm like a beep, go ON if we turn off split inadvertently (or willlingly) ? The embarassing moment is when you call K1N directly on its frequency. So we need something to avoid being treated as an idiot. No, I did not run into this, one gentle UP reminder with my call sign suffix was enough. Wondering how I got off split, I thought it would be nice to have a warning to "wake" me up. Just a few more lines of coding Wayne.....a typical end user viewpoint of course. 73 to all Bob VE2AXO From herr42 at comcast.net Thu Feb 19 22:03:39 2015 From: herr42 at comcast.net (Jeff Herr) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:03:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Hey Wayne! In-Reply-To: <69B2642A-007A-42D1-9263-F3AFD512B689@mac.com> References: <69B2642A-007A-42D1-9263-F3AFD512B689@mac.com> Message-ID: <000601d04cb9$d427e730$7c77b590$@net> is the RTC implemented in the PIC chip? i did not see a rtc chip in the prints....my eyesight these days..... why dont we just try to understand how it works and then we can accept what we see. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arlen Fletcher Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 08:05 AM To: Richard Gillingham Cc: Elecraft Mailing List; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip I?m guilty of starting a thread similar to this one a couple of months back. My K3 clock drifts and, being a newbie, I wasn?t certain whether it was within spec or not. I learned that it is within spec - but I wanted something more accurate - not because I NEED it, but because I thought it might be a fun project. So I designed and built a GPS clock. It uses a $40 GPS module that has a battery-backed clock chip in it (so it keeps reasonable time when there is no GPS satellite lock). It only needs a single GPS satellite for accurate time. I put it out in my garage because my shack is in the basement and GPS coverage is marginal there. It communicates with the display unit via an XBee Series One radio link, updating the display in my shack (driven by an Arduino Uno) about every 200 milliseconds. Is it overkill? Probably. But I had fun designing it, building it, and writing and debugging the code. I?m a ham? I do things like this because it?s fun - and since I?m not selling it I don?t have to worry too much about how practical it is. It?d be nice if the K3 clock was more accurate - but then I wouldn?t have learned about GPS timekeeping, XBees, and driving an I2C display and GPS unit from an Arduino! :-) 73 Arlen, AA7F > On Feb 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Richard Gillingham wrote: > > > Here in South Florida, atomic clocks will not sync it all. 73, Gil > W1RG > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > >
-------- Original message --------
From: Ken G Kopp >
Date:02/15/2015 1:25 PM (GMT-05:00) >
To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >
Cc: Elecraft Reflector , > KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip
Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3 and make the clock actually usable. > > 73 > > Ken - K0PP > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < > KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > >> In which radio? >> >> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep >>> time. An adjust method for what we have? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w1rg at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > arlenfletcher at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to herr42 at comcast.net From kx4o at hamradio.me Thu Feb 19 22:19:26 2015 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:19:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra long KX3 stand to hold both KX3 and PX3 Message-ID: <54E6A7BE.6060202@hamradio.me> Hello. Has anyone seen a KX3 stand such as the Nifty KX3 Desk Stand, but long enough to hold both the KX3 and a PX3 together? Thanks. John, kx4o From pfizenmayer at q.com Thu Feb 19 22:22:37 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed In-Reply-To: <54E68772.8060100@gmail.com> References: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E68772.8060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't forget with the KANT3 you have choice of two TX antennas -- just put it in bupass and away you go . The KAT you only have one TX ant . I can run a higher power amp by moving one coax switch to one or the other amp . Hank K7HP -----Original Message----- From: Rick WA6NHC Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed Bypass it. I believe in multiple redundancies for critical parts (except amps, too expensive). Besides I may choose to put the K3 in the RV one of these days and with the KANT3 in it, it's ready to go. 73, Rick wa6nhc On 2/19/2015 4:33 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the > KAT3. > Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? > Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 22:23:16 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:23:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 min minder and keyboard Message-ID: <54E6A8A4.7050709@gmail.com> I like the timer idea. I will be working with scouts this weekend and things get "busy", so reminding to ID would be nice, BUT... please don't pester or overload the email system with comments as I would RATHER have the Elecraft crew working on the keyboard firmware for the PX3. THAT would have been a GREAT demo for the scouts. Look ma, no computer. So, leave them alone to work on the next improvement for the PX3 !! 73, steve WB3LGC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 19 22:28:59 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:28:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra long KX3 stand to hold both KX3 and PX3 In-Reply-To: <54E6A7BE.6060202@hamradio.me> References: <54E6A7BE.6060202@hamradio.me> Message-ID: <54E6A9FB.2050806@socal.rr.com> I bought two, one for each! Phil W7OX On 2/19/15 7:19 PM, John wrote: > Hello. > > Has anyone seen a KX3 stand such as the Nifty > KX3 Desk Stand, but long enough to hold both the > KX3 and a PX3 together? > > Thanks. > > John, kx4o From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 19 22:30:51 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:30:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 min minder and keyboard In-Reply-To: <54E6A8A4.7050709@gmail.com> References: <54E6A8A4.7050709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54E6AA6B.2000208@socal.rr.com> Yes, and that should be the Fixed-Tune (or whatever it's called) mode for the PX3 -- any day now :-) Phil W7OX On 2/19/15 7:23 PM, steve wrote: > I like the timer idea. I will be working with > scouts this weekend and things get "busy", so > reminding to ID would be nice, BUT... please > don't pester or overload the email system with > comments as I would RATHER have the Elecraft > crew working on the keyboard firmware for the > PX3. THAT would have been a GREAT demo for the > scouts. Look ma, no computer. So, leave them > alone to work on the next improvement for the > PX3 !! > > 73, steve WB3LGC From kx4o at hamradio.me Thu Feb 19 22:53:07 2015 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 22:53:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra long KX3 stand to hold both KX3 and PX3 In-Reply-To: <54E6A9FB.2050806@socal.rr.com> References: <54E6A7BE.6060202@hamradio.me> <54E6A9FB.2050806@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E6AFA3.4010506@hamradio.me> Thanks for the idea Phil. I've considered one for each and that's not out of the question. My goal, however, is to keep the cabling between the KX3 and PX3 steady and not constantly stretching while I move the whole assembly as a unit during a multi-QTH portable operation. I'm looking at the GEMS2 concept where I would bolt both to a common base to serve as the backbone for the interconnects. I'm watching your progress Scott (AK6Q). However, one long Nifty stand mike be just the thing... if is exists. John, kx4o On 2/19/2015 10:28 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I bought two, one for each! > > Phil W7OX From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 19 22:56:51 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:56:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra long KX3 stand to hold both KX3 and PX3 In-Reply-To: <54E6AFA3.4010506@hamradio.me> References: <54E6A7BE.6060202@hamradio.me> <54E6A9FB.2050806@socal.rr.com> <54E6AFA3.4010506@hamradio.me> Message-ID: <54E6B083.1010106@socal.rr.com> You could probably cement two of them together, end to end -- or mount them on a thinish plastic base. Phil W7OX On 2/19/15 7:53 PM, John wrote: > Thanks for the idea Phil. I've considered one > for each and that's not out of the question. > > My goal, however, is to keep the cabling between > the KX3 and PX3 steady and not constantly > stretching while I move the whole assembly as a > unit during a multi-QTH portable operation. From jim at jtmiller.com Thu Feb 19 23:00:28 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:00:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity on 160m? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the input. I'll do the necessary cabling and give this a try. Thanks! jim ab3cv On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > What are folks using for their two antennas to provide improved reception > on 160m? I have a recently installed 2 element vertical RX array and > thought the next step would be trying diversity but not clear that my only > other 160 antenna (inverted L) would be sufficiently different to be of use. > > Thanks > > Jim ab3cv > From pfizenmayer at q.com Thu Feb 19 23:08:44 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 21:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed In-Reply-To: References: <608295491.2295273.1424392436049.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><54E68772.8060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13819B7C05AF4368834FA41C2B95E9BE@HANKPC> WHAT I meant to say is .... Don't forget with the tuner you have choice of two TX antennas -- just put it in bypass and away you go . Without the tuner you only have one TX ant . Have to quit doing 3 things at once - listening to TI9 boil in on 160 working EU , wiring up noise canceller , and sending email - too much at once - Thanks to NR4C for catching my goofup. 73 Hank K7HP -----Original Message----- From: Hank P Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:22 PM To: Rick WA6NHC ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed Don't forget with the KANT3 you have choice of two TX antennas -- just put it in bupass and away you go . The KAT you only have one TX ant . I can run a higher power amp by moving one coax switch to one or the other amp . Hank K7HP -----Original Message----- From: Rick WA6NHC Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Adding the KPA500 with the KAT3 installed Bypass it. I believe in multiple redundancies for critical parts (except amps, too expensive). Besides I may choose to put the K3 in the RV one of these days and with the KANT3 in it, it's ready to go. 73, Rick wa6nhc On 2/19/2015 4:33 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering what others do when they add the KPA500 and they have the > KAT3. > Do most just bypass it , or remove it and put the KANT3 module back in? > Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From kk5f at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 00:11:13 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:11:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Hey Wayne! Message-ID: <25027485.1424409074176.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > is the RTC implemented in the PIC chip? > > i did not see a rtc chip in the prints... The KXBC3 has no stand-alone RTC chip. Its PIC (U3) carries out the RTC functions with an attached 32768 kHz crystal. One should not expect great time-keeping accuracy from that. Mike / KK5F From kk5f at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 00:21:01 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:21:01 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip Hey Wayne! Message-ID: <22137459.1424409661420.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > The KXBC3 has no stand-alone RTC chip. Its PIC (U3) carries out > the RTC functions with an attached 32768 kHz crystal. That should be "32.768 kHz". :-) Mike / KK5F From nf4l at comcast.net Fri Feb 20 08:28:56 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3]Split Message-ID: Someone made what I thought was a really good suggestion. I think it got lost in the noise. I wish I could remember who made it. Fix not being able to change modes while in split. How about it Wayne? 73, Mike NF4L From jebastin at fastmail.fm Fri Feb 20 09:52:16 2015 From: jebastin at fastmail.fm (John Bastin) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:52:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <54E64141.5090306@sunflower.com> References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> <54E64141.5090306@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <83B0E8E7-174A-42FA-9C4F-E79A929F66CB@fastmail.fm> On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:02, Phil Anderson wrote: > > Use the third button down and the right side of the P3 front panel - called SPAN and widen what you are looking at. You can go as wide as 200 kHz. That should do it. I always use the P3 in Tracking mode, and normally my SPAN is set to 11, which gives me a display of + or - 5.2 kHz on either side of the main VFO frequency. This works for most pileups (on CW, where I usually am) except for some of the recent DXpeditions (K1N, TI9/3Z9DX) that seem to like large splits. I have my normal SPAN assigned to FN1 on the P3, so I can return to it easily. For the wider SPAN requirements, I have FN2 set to SPAN 20 kHz (+ or - 10) and FN3 set to SPAN 32 kHz (+ or - 16). I can quickly move to the bandwidth I need using this method. Hope this helps. 73, John K8AJS jebastin at fastmail.fm From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Feb 20 10:10:47 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Request - Save configuration Message-ID: <54E74E77.17815.33C6FD3@Gary.ka1j.com> It would be helpful to have an option in the P3 utility that allows saving or restoring a desired configuration the same way as is done in the K3 utility. Thanks, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From dave at nk7z.net Fri Feb 20 10:51:51 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:51:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher Message-ID: <1424447511.10791.31.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hello, A bit ago, there was a discussion about an external macro tablet, that could be connected to the K3. This looked very interesting to me, and I think I want one... This brings up two questions. 1. Any suggestions for one at a good price. 2. How EXACTLY does it connect to a K3 with a P3 and a computer connected? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 20 11:07:10 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:07:10 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? Message-ID: <201502201607.t1KG7A0l094227@denali.acsalaska.net> Would not an external preamp designed for 100 KHz not improve sensitivity? Many operators use small loop antennas with preamps on both 600m and LF. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ----------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:17:09 -0800 From: Wayne Burdick To: Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? ====snipped > Is it possible to move the lower limit down (lower than 100 kHz) or is is a constraint of the HW? The latter. Sensitivity gradually decreases as you do down in frequency, and you start hitting a practical lower limit for the receive chain. The preamp is not useful below 500 kHz, and will actually introduce a loss when turned on, so it should be left off in this range. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 20 11:15:09 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:15:09 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? Message-ID: <201502201615.t1KGF9wC095571@denali.acsalaska.net> Ross, There a quite a few (50 or 100) hams happily operating on 600m, currently. Not as hams but by obtaining an FCC experimental license. If that seems too daunting a prospect, help is available for filing out the application from those who have already done this. http://www.500kc.com/ http://www.500kc.com/USA_600_M_Station_ID.htm http://www.500kc.com/Maillists.htm 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Primrose Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A and below 490 KHz? Message-ID: <54E4E403.5060709 at n4rp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On 2/18/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Probably not. It allows quite useful sensitivity down to 250 kHz, and > even some utility at 100 kHz. But most operators are interested in the > 600-meter band (472-479 kHz). Wayne N6KR At the rate they're going, my grand kids will probably be retired before the FCC grants US hams access to that band :( 73, Ross N4RP 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 20 12:18:10 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:18:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <83B0E8E7-174A-42FA-9C4F-E79A929F66CB@fastmail.fm> References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> <54E64141.5090306@sunflower.com> <83B0E8E7-174A-42FA-9C4F-E79A929F66CB@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <54E76C52.5030800@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/20/2015 6:52 AM, John Bastin wrote: > I always use the P3 in Tracking mode, You're missing a LOT by not using Fixed Tune and Averaging. Averaging greatly reduces the noise, and Fixed Tune is needed so that averaging continues to work as you tune the main VFO (the average resets when you tune). I use maximum averaging of the top display, no averaging of the waterfall. This will bring out signals that are easy to miss without averaging. Like you, I use narrow spans to work a pileup. 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 20 12:31:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:31:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question In-Reply-To: <54E76C52.5030800@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20150219182407.QW58N.130741.root@cdptpa-web17> <54E64141.5090306@sunflower.com> <83B0E8E7-174A-42FA-9C4F-E79A929F66CB@fastmail.fm> <54E76C52.5030800@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <401B9D41-F1D8-4E14-A447-C4729248D0AC@socal.rr.com> A rousing second of Jim's "fixed tune" recommendation". I much anticipate its availability in my PX3 as well. Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Feb 20, 2015, at 09:18, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Fri,2/20/2015 6:52 AM, John Bastin wrote: >> I always use the P3 in Tracking mode, > > You're missing a LOT by not using Fixed Tune and Averaging. Averaging greatly reduces the noise, and Fixed Tune is needed so that averaging continues to work as you tune the main VFO (the average resets when you tune). I use maximum averaging of the top display, no averaging of the waterfall. This will bring out signals that are easy to miss without averaging. > > Like you, I use narrow spans to work a pileup. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From ab7r at cablespeed.com Fri Feb 20 13:25:01 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:25:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 for sale Message-ID: Selling my XG3 RF signal source. $100 shipped conus. Tnx Greg - AB7R 360-320-3436 ab7r at cablespeed dot com From ab7r at cablespeed.com Fri Feb 20 13:47:34 2015 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (Greg) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:47:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: XG3 is sold. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Greg wrote: > Selling my XG3 RF signal source. $100 shipped conus. > > Tnx > > Greg - AB7R > 360-320-3436 > ab7r at cablespeed dot com > > From jose.campione at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:04:17 2015 From: jose.campione at gmail.com (Jose Campione) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX3_won=E2=80=99t_unkey_properly?= Message-ID: A problem similar to the one detected by Dan Sherwood with the K3 some months ago (see his posting of Jul 13, 2014) is now resurfacing with the KX3: When operating a digital mode, with the rig in USB or Data, when the transmission ceases (i.e. the KX3 no longer transmits any signal) the TX light on the rig remains on and the unit remains in idle. I then have to manually touch on XMIT to return the rig to receive. I am using Flrig v. 3.22.5, the computer is a MacBook Pro Retina running OSX Yosemite 10.10.2. the KX3 is updated to the last firmware version and the Signalik USB uses the SLMODKX3 module and proper cables and connections. I have tried differents settings for the JP2, JP3 and JP4 jumpers in the Signalink USB but to no avail. The settings of the MIC BIAS and MIC BTN in the KX3 menu also do not improve on this. Any suggestion is more than welcome. 73 Jose VA3PCJ va3pcj at rac.ca From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 20 15:19:44 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <1424447511.10791.31.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424447511.10791.31.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> Genovation (www.genovation.com) has several programmable keypads in three broad categories: A) the USB HID series that becomes a Windows or Mac keyboard recognized by the operating system. These would require custom software to capture the specific keyboard/keypad and forward the macro strings to a specific serial port or USBtty device in coordination with any logging/serial control software. B) the USB Virtual Serial devices. These create a virtual serial port on the computer that would need to be coordinated with any logging/serial control software - typically be means of a port sharing driver (e.g. VSPE or equivalent). C) the RS-232 devices. These are a simple serial keypad that could be connected directly to the "PC" port of a K3 or P3 if no computer was in use or connected in parallel using a passive port splitter like the one from BackBox (a diode matrix). The RS-232 devices can also be connected to a computer serial port and coordinated with logging/serial control software bu means of port sharing software. The 24 button keypads seem to be available in the $85 - $100 price range depending on distributor. Check the "distributors" list on the Genovation web site. The HID versions seem to be available from the larger office supply stores and Amazon. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-20 10:51 AM, David Cole wrote: > Hello, > > A bit ago, there was a discussion about an external macro tablet, that > could be connected to the K3. This looked very interesting to me, and I > think I want one... This brings up two questions. > > 1. Any suggestions for one at a good price. > 2. How EXACTLY does it connect to a K3 with a P3 and a computer > connected? > > From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 20 15:37:22 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:37:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX3_won=E2=80=99t_unkey_properly?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E79B02.2000302@subich.com> Make sure that you are not generating PTT by software command in fldigi and PTT via the VOX in Signalink at the same time. The "stuck in transmit" behavior seems to be associated with mixing software and hardware PTT. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-20 3:04 PM, Jose Campione wrote: > A problem similar to the one detected by Dan Sherwood with the K3 some > months ago (see his posting of Jul 13, 2014) is now resurfacing with the > KX3: > > When operating a digital mode, with the rig in USB or Data, when the > transmission ceases (i.e. the KX3 no longer transmits any signal) the TX > light on the rig remains on and the unit remains in idle. I then have to > manually touch on XMIT to return the rig to receive. > > I am using Flrig v. 3.22.5, the computer is a MacBook Pro Retina running > OSX Yosemite 10.10.2. the KX3 is updated to the last firmware version and > the Signalik USB uses the SLMODKX3 module and proper cables and > connections. I have tried differents settings for the JP2, JP3 and JP4 > jumpers in the Signalink USB but to no avail. The settings of the MIC BIAS > and MIC BTN in the KX3 menu also do not improve on this. > > Any suggestion is more than welcome. > > 73 Jose VA3PCJ > va3pcj at rac.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Feb 20 15:57:48 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> References: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E79FCC.8010002@nycap.rr.com> After reading the literature about these keypads, it looks to me that I can connect same to the serial port on the computer for programming - then connect it directly to the K3 for use. Currently I am using a Pigknob - which works great - just need (desire) more buttons than the eight I now have. Long story short, I have ordered a keypad - be here late next week. Then I will play. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 20 16:00:45 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:00:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E79FCC.8010002@nycap.rr.com> References: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> <54E79FCC.8010002@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E7A07D.3090203@socal.rr.com> Which one did you order, Bill? Phil W7OX On 2/20/15 12:57 PM, W2BLC wrote: > After reading the literature about these > keypads, it looks to me that I can connect same > to the serial port on the computer for > programming - then connect it directly to the K3 > for use. > > Currently I am using a Pigknob - which works > great - just need (desire) more buttons than the > eight I now have. > > Long story short, I have ordered a keypad - be > here late next week. Then I will play. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 20 16:24:53 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E79FCC.8010002@nycap.rr.com> References: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> <54E79FCC.8010002@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E7A625.7050603@subich.com> On 2015-02-20 3:57 PM, W2BLC wrote: > After reading the literature about these keypads, it looks to me that I > can connect same to the serial port on the computer for programming - > then connect it directly to the K3 for use. You may need a gender changer or null modem adapter if you are going from a PC serial port to the PC port of the Pigknob. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > Currently I am using a Pigknob - which works great - just need (desire) > more buttons than the eight I now have. > > Long story short, I have ordered a keypad - be here late next week. Then > I will play. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Feb 20 16:33:05 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E7A625.7050603@subich.com> References: <54E7A625.7050603@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E7A811.2080202@nycap.rr.com> I have assorted computer parts around - so I should be OK. The make and model is the Genovation CP24 Serial - also got the USB cable, for possible use in programming the keypad without having to unplug everything. Bill W2BLC From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Feb 20 16:34:43 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E7A07D.3090203@socal.rr.com> References: <54E7A07D.3090203@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E7A873.5050809@nycap.rr.com> You can see the keypad I bought here: http://dsi-keyboards.com/product/genovation-controlpad-cp24-db9-serial/ From dave at nk7z.net Fri Feb 20 16:34:44 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:34:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> References: <1424447511.10791.31.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54E796E0.9030508@subich.com> Message-ID: <1424468084.10791.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi Joe, Thank you for taking the time to explain so thoroughly! I now understand the connections involved, and the options. I think I need the RS-232 version, and the passive splitter you mentioned. I have a P3, and a Computer connected, so I have no serial ports remaining. I could split at the back of the P3, and put the keypad on there... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 15:19 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Genovation (www.genovation.com) has several programmable keypads in > three broad categories: > > A) the USB HID series that becomes a Windows or Mac keyboard > recognized by the operating system. These would require custom > software to capture the specific keyboard/keypad and forward the > macro strings to a specific serial port or USBtty device in > coordination with any logging/serial control software. > > B) the USB Virtual Serial devices. These create a virtual serial > port on the computer that would need to be coordinated with any > logging/serial control software - typically be means of a port > sharing driver (e.g. VSPE or equivalent). > > C) the RS-232 devices. These are a simple serial keypad that could > be connected directly to the "PC" port of a K3 or P3 if no computer > was in use or connected in parallel using a passive port splitter > like the one from BackBox (a diode matrix). The RS-232 devices > can also be connected to a computer serial port and coordinated > with logging/serial control software bu means of port sharing > software. > > The 24 button keypads seem to be available in the $85 - $100 price > range depending on distributor. Check the "distributors" list on > the Genovation web site. The HID versions seem to be available from > the larger office supply stores and Amazon. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-20 10:51 AM, David Cole wrote: > > Hello, > > > > A bit ago, there was a discussion about an external macro tablet, that > > could be connected to the K3. This looked very interesting to me, and I > > think I want one... This brings up two questions. > > > > 1. Any suggestions for one at a good price. > > 2. How EXACTLY does it connect to a K3 with a P3 and a computer > > connected? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From sblogghe at hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 16:38:00 2015 From: sblogghe at hotmail.com (Sean Logghe) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode Message-ID: I thought that it might be a good idea to make a little (squeaking) noise on this topic in the hope that it might happen sooner rather than later. :) And perhaps others might chime in. I have, and use all of the time, a P3 in conjunction with my K3. I am not sure I can imagine (radio) life without it. I would feel quite "in the dark"! Pretty much from day one I have used Fixed Tune exclusively on the P3. A bit over three months ago, as I was (gleefully!) preparing to order a PX3 to add to my KX3, I just happened to discover that it did not have a "Fixed Tune" mode. I had absolutely assumed that it did and was quite surprised that it did not. (If I am wrong about that I would be thrilled to find that out!) This discovery made me "put my credit card back in my wallet". I am really not sure that the PX3 would make me very happy without this functionality. I sent an email to Elecraft Sales back then to let them know what at least one customer would like to see in the PX3. I assume they do like to hear from their customers. I did not get any response. But I assume my vote was tallied. It is my hope that this can be accomplished via a future firmware update, and perhaps I should just buy a PX3 now in the expectation that it will fulfill my needs in the future? I am puzzled that I have not seen very many other requests for this feature for the PX3. This makes me wonder if I am missing the boat somewhere in my operation of my P3, and therefore, in my hoped for operation of a PX3. Are there better ways to use the P3? Am I way overstating the behavioral difference between using Fixed vs. Tracking? I never feel the urge to switch to Track Mode. Am I being shortsighted? Are there some user's with both the P3 and the PX3 who can weigh in with their experiences? Is there a better way? I am always open to enlightenment. ;) The discussions of my peers on this list are (almost!) always very enlightening and broaden my viewpoint. My thanks to everyone who contributes to this list. Really. gud dx es 73 Sean Logghe KB2CKN From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:03:10 2015 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX3_won=E2=80=99t_unkey_properly?= In-Reply-To: <54E79B02.2000302@subich.com> References: <54E79B02.2000302@subich.com> Message-ID: Joe, that is good advice. I personally haven't run into this problem as I always run PTT via VOX. I use FLDigi on a Macbook connected to the KX3 directly and use VOX only. It works brilliantly. The Macbook is a little older and has both line in and headphone jacks. I don't use my signalink with the KX3. The KX3 audio output and mic input are great. I have posted previously on this reflector my KX3 settings to help achieve this nirvana. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Make sure that you are not generating PTT by software command in fldigi > and PTT via the VOX in Signalink at the same time. The "stuck in > transmit" behavior seems to be associated with mixing software and > hardware PTT. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Fri Feb 20 17:05:16 2015 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:05:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E7AF9C.3070008@xs4all.nl> Hi Sean You most probably have missed this message from Wayne: On 2015-02-10 07:38 Wayne Burdick wrote: Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed-Tune mode for the PX3: Very early version ready for a few hardy field testers Hi all, Fixed-tune mode is now pretty much working on the PX3, though it's not quite ready for beta test. (In fixed-tune mode, the PX3's displayed frequency range stays "fixed" rather than "tracking" the KX3's VFO A frequency. This feature is very popular with users of the P3, the PX3's big brother.) We're looking for a couple of thrill seekers who (a) *really* want to test fixed-tune mode, (b) won't be rattled when they encounter they occasional bug, and (c) can start giving our development team feedback right away, as in tomorrow. If you're interested, please email me directly (n6kr at elecraft dot com). This will be a very limited distribution, but I suspect we'll be ready for beta in a week or two. Thanks! Wayne N6KR So I assume it's on it's way. I have a PX3 too but I for one am not missing the "fixed tune" option and drew that card a while ago...:-) If Wayne still wants an extra field tester I would jump in though... 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2015-02-20 22:38 schreef Sean Logghe: > It is my hope that this can be accomplished via a future firmware update, > and perhaps I should just buy a PX3 now in the expectation that it will > fulfill my needs in the future? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 20 17:09:12 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:09:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E7B088.2070106@socal.rr.com> My understanding is that there is a firmware mod for this now in field test, Sean. Hopefully it will be available in beta form any day now, and I'll install it as soon as it shows up. So "any day now" :-) Phil W7OX On 2/20/15 1:38 PM, Sean Logghe wrote: > It is my hope that this can be accomplished via a future firmware update, > and perhaps I should just buy a PX3 now in the expectation that it will > fulfill my needs in the future? From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:47:51 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:47:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] 3.0 USB Hub Recommendations Message-ID: First, I apologize. I asked this a while back and now I cannot find the responses as they were sent privately. I am looking for a 3.0 USB hub that will not cause noise spikes in my shack. If someone would be so kind as to remind me what the recommendations are, I?d appreciate it. I have looked through the archives, but I cannot seem to find exactly what I?m looking for. Thank you. 73, Joel - W4JBB From mike at ab9v.us Fri Feb 20 18:26:58 2015 From: mike at ab9v.us (Mike Cox) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:26:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> I installed the new K3 synthesizer boards last night into s/n 398 (with sub Rx). The installation was very easy, requiring only the removal of the top cover and the old synthesizer boards. I didn't even remove the rig from the operating table, electing to sit my anti-static mat in front of the radio and wearing the grounding strap. The radio remained connected with +12 power turned off (it would have taken me more time to rewire the radio into the station than was required for the actual board swap). Total installation time was about a half hour. The radio powered up without incident and is performing as it should. Config: VCO MD is still present but only displays "--" as it is no longer needed to align the synthesizers. As one would expect, there is initially no obvious difference in the before/after modification as far as the function of the radio. It "sounds" the same as before. Since I only have one K3, I can't do a quick-change A/B comparison of before and after. I'm not set up to perform the types of measurements required to accurately measure the changes regarding phase noise. I'll just have to take the word of others that the radio is now able to perform at a better level than before. I may be able to tell an improvement in CW keying timing at 35+ wpm but it may be my imagination. It does sound good! Here's where performing a before/after test would have real meaning to me. But once again, I'm able to update my old K3 with the latest changes and make it function as a new radio. I didn't have to buy a whole new radio! That's pretty neat! I've saved so much money over the past years (not having to buy a new radio) that I probably should go out and buy a second K3. Maybe if Wayne would give me a hat... I'm going to be operating for a while in the ARRL CW DX contest this weekend so I'll give it a practical test. From my perspective there's probably no compelling reason to make the synthesizer swap but in theory, it should be an even quieter transmitter with regard to phase noise and the cw keying may be a bit cleaner with reduced lock-up time on the synthesizers. It's an easy board swap! 73, Mike, AB9V From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Feb 20 18:08:55 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:08:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> I believe it is on the PX3 To-Do list, Sean. On 2/20/2015 1:38 PM, Sean Logghe wrote: > (If I am wrong about that I would be thrilled to find that out!) > I am puzzled that I have not seen very many other requests for this feature > for the PX3. This makes me wonder if I am missing the boat somewhere in my > operation of my P3, and therefore, in my hoped for operation of a PX3. > Are there better ways to use the P3? Am I way overstating the behavioral > difference between using Fixed vs. Tracking? I never feel the urge to switch > to Track Mode. Am I being shortsighted? Are there some user's with both the > P3 and the PX3 who can weigh in with their experiences? Is there a better > way? I am always open to enlightenment. ;) Probably; No; No; I will weigh in below; I prefer Fixed Tune, YMMV. Analog panadapters have been around since WW2, indeed many used by hams in the early 50's were WW2 surplus. They, of necessity, operated in what the P3 calls Tracking mode. Your RX QRG is always in the middle and as you tune, the band "moves" past it. That has always seemed a little strange to me. The P3, being digital, offers a lot more in the way of features, including Fixed Tune mode, where the screen displays a slice of the band and you tune across it. Much more intuitive to me. Aside from operator preference, there are some real differences between the two modes. In Fixed Tune, you can average the spectrum display because the spectrum limits change only when you tune past the edge and the averaging has to be restarted. Averaging tends to suppress noise and can make weak signals stand out better. Averaging would work in Tracking mode except that every time you tuned ... even 1 Hz ... the averaging would have to start over. Someone asked about this not long ago, his spectrum "jumped" every time he tuned. Fixed Tune also gives you better control over what you're looking at. For example, you can adjust the CENTER and SPAN so that K1N is near the left edge of the screen and the pile up spread across the entire screen to the right. In Tracking mode, K1N will always be in the center, the pile up will occupy the right half of the screen, and the left half is sort of "wasted." I am fairly certain Fixed Tune mode is going to appear for the PX3 soon. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 20 18:38:20 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:38:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> References: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> Message-ID: <210867AB-3AE6-4816-A2F5-6783CD121696@elecraft.com> Hi Mike, I'm glad this went well. Another customer who just did the installation tested transmit close-in phase noise before/after and saw pretty dramatic results. At +/- 0.5 kHz from the carrier, the new synth was down about -133 dBc, while the old was down about -115 dBc. (This reduction in noise will provide a substantial benefit in both RX and TX, especially if the other radios you're tuned close to are also using K3s with the new synths.) As you move farther from the carrier the results become less dramatic, with the old and new intersecting in their noise floors somewhere between 5 and 10 kHz. The original synth was no slouch, but the new one takes things to an entirely new level. Two customers have now captured CW keying waveforms from the old and new synths, demonstrating a very significant reduction in timing jitter. Finally, one of my techs called me this morning wondering if we had improved tuning accuracy. The answer is yes--we just forgot to tell them. The new synth has a lot less quantization error in its tuning, so even on the highest bands, VFO fine-tuning increments are very close to 1 Hz. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Cox wrote: > I installed the new K3 synthesizer boards last night into s/n 398 (with sub Rx). The installation was very easy, requiring only the removal of the top cover and the old synthesizer boards. I didn't even remove the rig from the operating table, electing to sit my anti-static mat in front of the radio and wearing the grounding strap. The radio remained connected with +12 power turned off (it would have taken me more time to rewire the radio into the station than was required for the actual board swap). Total installation time was about a half hour. > > The radio powered up without incident and is performing as it should. Config: VCO MD is still present but only displays "--" as it is no longer needed to align the synthesizers. > > As one would expect, there is initially no obvious difference in the before/after modification as far as the function of the radio. It "sounds" the same as before. Since I only have one K3, I can't do a quick-change A/B comparison of before and after. I'm not set up to perform the types of measurements required to accurately measure the changes regarding phase noise. I'll just have to take the word of others that the radio is now able to perform at a better level than before. I may be able to tell an improvement in CW keying timing at 35+ wpm but it may be my imagination. It does sound good! Here's where performing a before/after test would have real meaning to me. > > But once again, I'm able to update my old K3 with the latest changes and make it function as a new radio. I didn't have to buy a whole new radio! That's pretty neat! I've saved so much money over the past years (not having to buy a new radio) that I probably should go out and buy a second K3. Maybe if Wayne would give me a hat... > > I'm going to be operating for a while in the ARRL CW DX contest this weekend so I'll give it a practical test. From my perspective there's probably no compelling reason to make the synthesizer swap but in theory, it should be an even quieter transmitter with regard to phase noise and the cw keying may be a bit cleaner with reduced lock-up time on the synthesizers. It's an easy board swap! > > 73, > Mike, AB9V > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Feb 20 18:40:59 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> References: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> Message-ID: Fixed-tune is being tested on the PX3 already. But we had some bugs crop up that were seen only on some units. Our firmware engineer has one of these in hand, now, and is working on it. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I believe it is on the PX3 To-Do list, Sean. > > On 2/20/2015 1:38 PM, Sean Logghe wrote: > >> (If I am wrong about that I would be thrilled to find that out!) > >> I am puzzled that I have not seen very many other requests for this feature >> for the PX3. This makes me wonder if I am missing the boat somewhere in my >> operation of my P3, and therefore, in my hoped for operation of a PX3. > >> Are there better ways to use the P3? Am I way overstating the behavioral >> difference between using Fixed vs. Tracking? I never feel the urge to switch >> to Track Mode. Am I being shortsighted? Are there some user's with both the >> P3 and the PX3 who can weigh in with their experiences? Is there a better >> way? I am always open to enlightenment. ;) > > Probably; No; No; I will weigh in below; I prefer Fixed Tune, YMMV. > > Analog panadapters have been around since WW2, indeed many used by hams in the early 50's were WW2 surplus. They, of necessity, operated in what the P3 calls Tracking mode. Your RX QRG is always in the middle and as you tune, the band "moves" past it. That has always seemed a little strange to me. The P3, being digital, offers a lot more in the way of features, including Fixed Tune mode, where the screen displays a slice of the band and you tune across it. Much more intuitive to me. > > Aside from operator preference, there are some real differences between the two modes. In Fixed Tune, you can average the spectrum display because the spectrum limits change only when you tune past the edge and the averaging has to be restarted. Averaging tends to suppress noise and can make weak signals stand out better. Averaging would work in Tracking mode except that every time you tuned ... even 1 Hz ... the averaging would have to start over. Someone asked about this not long ago, his spectrum "jumped" every time he tuned. > > Fixed Tune also gives you better control over what you're looking at. For example, you can adjust the CENTER and SPAN so that K1N is near the left edge of the screen and the pile up spread across the entire screen to the right. In Tracking mode, K1N will always be in the center, the pile up will occupy the right half of the screen, and the left half is sort of "wasted." > > I am fairly certain Fixed Tune mode is going to appear for the PX3 soon. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 19:10:22 2015 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:10:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power Pole connectors In-Reply-To: References: <54E38758.8080803@aol.com> <54E390F0.50106@audiosystemsgroup.com> <54E3998E.6060908@aol.com> Message-ID: <1424477422111-7599083.post@n2.nabble.com> I had numerous issues with APP's and my original, factory built K3. It had issues with severe voltage drop, heating APP connectors, low power output and DC power outages. I lost count how many times I was told to and did replace the APP's on my power cable. (And it was factory made to start with!) It was finally sorted by it's new owner after I got so pissed off with the damned thing. The cause was dry solder joints (to the point where the solder was pretty much non existent I'm told) on the K3's motherboard at the APP's mounting point. I am not convinced that the sub 45 Amp APP's connections are very good mechanically unless you use the roll pin, which kinda defeats the one main advantage of APP's, their quick release capabilities. So, I am still not a fan of the 45Amp and smaller APP's but the 50Amp APP's and their clones get a lot of use here and in my motorhome as they do connect solidly but still allow disconnection when you want. ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-Pole-connectors-tp7598686p7599083.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 20 19:30:55 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:30:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> References: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> Message-ID: <54E7D1BF.9050602@socal.rr.com> Thanks, Mike. I was just about to disconnect all the stuff in back from mine! Phil W7OX On 2/20/15 3:26 PM, Mike Cox wrote: > I installed the new K3 synthesizer boards last > night into s/n 398 (with sub Rx). The > installation was very easy, requiring only the > removal of the top cover and the old synthesizer > boards. I didn't even remove the rig from the > operating table, electing to sit my anti-static > mat in front of the radio and wearing the > grounding strap. The radio remained connected > with +12 power turned off (it would have taken > me more time to rewire the radio into the > station than was required for the actual board > swap). Total installation time was about a half > hour. From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Feb 20 19:48:45 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (W2BLC) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: External Macro Launcher In-Reply-To: <1424468084.10791.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <1424468084.10791.54.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54E7D5ED.8010707@nycap.rr.com> My goal is to take the computer out of the mix completely. I do not need it for my style of operating and only use an old version of HRD for rig control. The keypad will allow much better rig control than HRD provided. Hence, I will have an open RS-232 for the keypad to use. Bill W2BLC K-Line From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Fri Feb 20 20:16:53 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:16:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: <210867AB-3AE6-4816-A2F5-6783CD121696@elecraft.com> References: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> <210867AB-3AE6-4816-A2F5-6783CD121696@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <201502201916.53361.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Wayne, I'd say this would be worth a free hat HI HI!! 73, Al On Fri February 20 2015 5:38:20 pm Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I'm glad this went well.... > > > On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Cox wrote: > > I installed the new K3 synthesizer boards last night into s/n 398 (with > > sub Rx). The installation was very easy... >> > > ...But once again, I'm able to update my old K3 with the latest changes > > and make it function as a new radio. I didn't have to buy a whole new > > radio! That's pretty neat! I've saved so much money over the past years > > (not having to buy a new radio) that I probably should go out and buy a > > second K3. ||Maybe if Wayne would give me a hat...|| (emphasis added) From eric at elecraft.com Fri Feb 20 20:42:59 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:42:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <54E7B088.2070106@socal.rr.com> References: <54E7B088.2070106@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E7E2A3.9040802@elecraft.com> The first alpha version of the PX3 f/w with fixed tune mode is in test. We are now correcting some bugs and will be testing the next release of it shortly. Overall it looked good when I played with it in the lab last week. My expectations are that we'll have it ready for beta test in the next 2-3 weeks. 73, Eric elecraft.com On 2/20/2015 2:09 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > My understanding is that there is a firmware mod for this now in field test, > Sean. Hopefully it will be available in beta form any day now, and I'll > install it as soon as it shows up. > > So "any day now" :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/20/15 1:38 PM, Sean Logghe wrote: >> It is my hope that this can be accomplished via a future firmware update, >> and perhaps I should just buy a PX3 now in the expectation that it will >> fulfill my needs in the future? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 20 20:51:37 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:51:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3 + KXPA100Amp] Message-ID: <359ad.11b927ba.42193ea9@aol.com> Upgraded firmware to 2.3. Now when I turn the PA to on it only stays on a few seconds and then turns to off by itself. What could cause this? Tnx 73 George/W2BPI From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Feb 20 21:00:58 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:00:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> References: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> Message-ID: <33CE5506-AFCA-4C51-8D63-8F2496C9F6C5@wunderwood.org> On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > [?] Averaging tends to suppress noise and can make weak signals stand out better. Averaging would work in Tracking mode except that every time you tuned ... even 1 Hz ... the averaging would have to start over. Someone asked about this not long ago, his spectrum "jumped" every time he tuned. It does start over, but it doesn?t have to. It could keep the averaged data for the portion that used to be in the window and build up an average for the new portion. It would look odd for a moment, but operators would get used to it. Yes, the programming is harder and I know the processor hits the wall at some point. But it would be worth it. With frequency bins, you could even save some averaging information on a scan change. Plus, as soon as Elecraft did this, every other bandscope would be obsolete. My first rig was a borrowed IC-756. It was really nice, but losing the averaging on the band scope bugged the snot out of me every single time I turned the big knob. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From w8zn54 at verizon.net Fri Feb 20 21:06:07 2015 From: w8zn54 at verizon.net (w8zn54 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:06:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LSB/USB/CW/CW-R question Message-ID: <31171772.259545.1424484367918.JavaMail.root@vznit170134.mailsrvcs.net> From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Feb 20 21:53:03 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:53:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <33CE5506-AFCA-4C51-8D63-8F2496C9F6C5@wunderwood.org> References: <54E7BE87.20309@foothill.net> <33CE5506-AFCA-4C51-8D63-8F2496C9F6C5@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <54E7F30F.3050808@foothill.net> Ummm ... technically, that could be done. However, given that anything "looking odd, even for a moment", such as the spectrum trace jumping a little on tuning in tracking mode seems to provoke a huge number of potential solutions to a non-problem, I really doubt Elecraft is going there. And I doubt "operators would get used to it" either. :-)) Fixed Track solves the problem. On a slightly different subject, I've never been able to get used to the Half-screen Shift when tuning off of one or the other edge, and yet I know a number of people who use it just fine. I'm a full-screen guy, it fits my mental picture of what's happening. To each his own, at least we have choices. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/20/2015 6:00 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> [?] Averaging tends to suppress noise and can make weak signals >> stand out better. Averaging would work in Tracking mode except >> that every time you tuned ... even 1 Hz ... the averaging would >> have to start over. Someone asked about this not long ago, his >> spectrum "jumped" every time he tuned. > > It does start over, but it doesn?t have to. It could keep the > averaged data for the portion that used to be in the window and build > up an average for the new portion. It would look odd for a moment, > but operators would get used to it. From alaparos at taconic.net Fri Feb 20 22:04:36 2015 From: alaparos at taconic.net (Gary Ferdinand) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Install Doc Suggestion Message-ID: I?m a very satisfied K3 owner. Today I installed the two KSYN3A boards according to the documentation. My K3 has the internal 2 meter transverter (K144XV) installed, so I had a few extra steps to perform above a 2-board, no transverter configuration. I got hung up a few minutes on page 14. A couple of extra sentences would have eliminated the extra time spent at this step. I suggest the instructions also state that the cable that used to be run from the K144XV from the REF OUT jack be reused between KREF3 J2 and MAIN KSYN3A J83. The cable supplied with the kit is an 8.5? cable and the diagram, figure 12, shows a 5? cable here. Not that the cable length matters much, but the lack of clarity of this point had me wondering if I had missed something involving the ?extra? cable. Further stating that I would end up with an unused 8.5? cable would also have helped. Additionally, in Figure 12 the MAIN board is mislabeled as KSYN3 instead of KSYN3A. All in all a smooth installation. Thanks for the improvements! 73/Gary W2CS From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 20 22:17:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:17:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Install Doc Suggestion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E7F8AD.4040104@socal.rr.com> Best part was NOT having to reinstall those split washers :-) Phil W7OX On 2/20/15 7:04 PM, Gary Ferdinand wrote: > I?m a very satisfied K3 owner. Today I installed the two KSYN3A boards according to the documentation. My K3 has the internal 2 meter transverter (K144XV) installed, so I had a few extra steps to perform above a 2-board, no transverter configuration. > > I got hung up a few minutes on page 14. A couple of extra sentences would have eliminated the extra time spent at this step. > > I suggest the instructions also state that the cable that used to be run from the K144XV from the REF OUT jack be reused between KREF3 J2 and MAIN KSYN3A J83. The cable supplied with the kit is an 8.5? cable and the diagram, figure 12, shows a 5? cable here. Not that the cable length matters much, but the lack of clarity of this point had me wondering if I had missed something involving the ?extra? cable. Further stating that I would end up with an unused 8.5? cable would also have helped. > > Additionally, in Figure 12 the MAIN board is mislabeled as KSYN3 instead of KSYN3A. > > All in all a smooth installation. Thanks for the improvements! > > 73/Gary W2CS From rtavan at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 22:47:14 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:47:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] Problem with DNS? Message-ID: Is anyone else having trouble reaching the RemoteRig DNS? It seemed to stop working for me about an hour ago. Thanks, /Rick -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 20 22:59:32 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:59:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <54E7E2A3.9040802@elecraft.com> References: <54E7B088.2070106@socal.rr.com> <54E7E2A3.9040802@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54E802A4.7080708@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,2/20/2015 5:42 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The first alpha version of the PX3 f/w with fixed tune mode is in test. What is the maximum span for Fixed Tune mode? 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Fri Feb 20 23:44:01 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:44:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <54E802A4.7080708@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54E7B088.2070106@socal.rr.com> <54E7E2A3.9040802@elecraft.com> <54E802A4.7080708@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54E80D11.5030902@sonic.net> The maximum total span is 200 kHz, or +/- 100 kHz from the KX3 VFO A frequency. So for example, if the span is set to 50 kHz (+/- 25 kHz), then the maximum positive fixed-tune offset is 75 kHz (that is, +50 to +100 kHz display range). Alan N1AL On 02/20/2015 07:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,2/20/2015 5:42 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The first alpha version of the PX3 f/w with fixed tune mode is in test. > > What is the maximum span for Fixed Tune mode? > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > > From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Feb 21 00:20:30 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:20:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3AUPG diversity replacement snafu (my fault) Message-ID: <54E8159E.8618.64660B6@Gary.ka1j.com> A public Mea Culpa regarding my upgrading from the old Synthesizers to the new version and incorrectly performing the exchange. I was surprised at the reduced amount of components on the new board and thought I did a proper exchange of components; it all seemed obvious as to what to do so how could I miss the obvious... Rather than explain all the details of my mistake, I'll say the issue became apparent when I went to diversity: Using the main Rx had no issue after the exchange and engaging the sub also worked beautifully as expected. However, when going to diversity I noticed a huge drop in signal in the sub side. I was in too much of a hurry to get everything ready for today's contest and I neglected to add the new coax that is required running from the Aux J4 to the Main J2 as seen on page 14 in the installation instructions. The included coax jumper wasn't present on the old boards and I tricked myself into thinking all was done properly when I counted connections. Also, looking at the boards with the K3 turned on and one had a green LED flashing & the other was solidly on. Both should be constant, no flashing. A call to Elecraft and they were most interested in helping me resolve the problem and being a newly released component, I suspect they wondered if I may have uncovered an unexpected issue. However, Howard quickly came to the deduction I hadn't done my work properly. He was most courteous and helpful in assisting me in correcting the error and now I have the k3 working as it should be with the new synthesizers. He, as in all the Elecraft support, is a credit to the company. With these new Synthesize boards I have to say there is an obvious difference to me in how incredibly much better this radio is now, comparing to how amazingly good it was before. I think the best way I can describe it is I can hear people in the contest so very clearly in the presence of adjacent strong signals but so many of the DX aren't hearing me as well as I am hearing them. I'm looking at the LP-100A Wattmeter, seeing 1490 W out and I'm seeing tightly compressed signals side by side and hearing them clear as a bell. Often the people I'm calling often have to hear me repeat my call several times to get it right. I'm putting out plenty of power but this K3 is hearing so well, it's a whole new game. In short: These two boards are absolutely worth the investment and Elecraft's support again proved to be as good as support can be. If you're on the fence, get them, it's something you won't experience buyer's remorse afterward. As to the contest, I've had too many interruptions from within the QTH from an unfortunately very sick YL, to remove me from competition, so I'm now just in it to maybe pick up some new band fills and just have fun. Since I can do so now, I figured I'd take the time to mention the obvious improvement these boards made, explain what I did that was wrong in the procedure & maybe help another avoid the same mistake, and... to thank Elecraft for hitting another Home Run in both product and service. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Feb 21 00:28:23 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:28:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Install Doc Suggestion In-Reply-To: <54E7F8AD.4040104@socal.rr.com> References: , <54E7F8AD.4040104@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E81777.29309.64D99A0@Gary.ka1j.com> If that ain't the truth! What I do with things like putting those split washers into a hard to access situation is to take a piece of tape, put the sticky side on my jeans, pull it off with the accompanying lint and then pressing the washer onto the tape. It'll hold the washer in place and let you align the washer properly but won't grip onto it so tightly it's a problem to pull out after all is in alignment. Hemostats are invaluable to holding the tape just so. As you mentioned, we don't have to do this when installing the replacement boards but it's a neat trick that works great. Just thought this would be a good time to mention this little trick, when you do need to deal with that kind of an issue, it saves a lot of swearing... 73, Gary KA1J > Best part was NOT having to reinstall those split > washers :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/20/15 7:04 PM, Gary Ferdinand wrote: > > I?m a very satisfied K3 owner. Today I installed the two KSYN3A boards according to the documentation. My K3 has the internal 2 meter transverter (K144XV) installed, so I had a few extra steps to perform above a 2-board, no transverter configuration. > > > > I got hung up a few minutes on page 14. A couple of extra sentences would have eliminated the extra time spent at this step. > > > > I suggest the instructions also state that the cable that used to be run from the K144XV from the REF OUT jack be reused between KREF3 J2 and MAIN KSYN3A J83. The cable supplied with the kit is an 8.5" cable and the diagram, figure 12, shows a 5" cable here. Not that the cable length matters much, but the lack of clarity of this point had me wondering if I had missed something involving the oeextra? cable. Further stating that I would end up with an unused 8.5? cable would also have helped. > > > > Additionally, in Figure 12 the MAIN board is mislabeled as KSYN3 instead of KSYN3A. > > > > All in all a smooth installation. Thanks for the improvements! > > > > 73/Gary W2CS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 21 00:48:56 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:48:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Install Doc Suggestion In-Reply-To: <54E81777.29309.64D99A0@Gary.ka1j.com> References: , <54E7F8AD.4040104@socal.rr.com> <54E81777.29309.64D99A0@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54E81C48.9050402@socal.rr.com> Nice tip, Gary: Thanks (just in case!). 73, Phil W7OX On 2/20/15 9:28 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > What I do with things like putting those split washers into a hard to > access situation is to take a piece of tape, put the sticky side on > my jeans, pull it off with the accompanying lint and then pressing > the washer onto the tape. It'll hold the washer in place and let you > align the washer properly but won't grip onto it so tightly it's a > problem to pull out after all is in alignment. Hemostats are > invaluable to holding the tape just so. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > >> Best part was NOT having to reinstall those split >> washers :-) >> >> Phil W7OX From alan at g3xaq.net Sat Feb 21 06:13:03 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:13:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E8683F.4030704@g3xaq.net> > Another customer who just did the installation tested transmit close-in phase noise before/after > and saw pretty dramatic results. At ? 0.5 kHz from the carrier, the new synth was down about -133 dBc, > while the old was down about -115 dBc. Does the new synth use the same chip as the KX3? It's not clear from the datasheet but it is just conceivable the Si570 could meet this spec. 73, Alan G3XAQ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 21 06:56:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3AUPG and external OCXO In-Reply-To: <54E8683F.4030704@g3xaq.net> References: <54E8683F.4030704@g3xaq.net> Message-ID: <1370597212.1857915.1424519764591.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Guys, with new synt there is any advantage other than better ppm to use external OCXO source, I was thinking if anybody tested and external 10MHz super clean source maybe with a Wenzel or a Morion and got any better phasenoise than default TXCO... is a cleaner OCXO is directly translated in cleaner synt phasenoise? Any schematics around? Tnx vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From mike at ab9v.us Sat Feb 21 08:12:13 2015 From: mike at ab9v.us (Mike Cox) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:12:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KSYN3AUPG Installation In-Reply-To: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> References: <54E7C2C2.1080008@ab9v.us> Message-ID: <54E8842D.1040307@ab9v.us> After my initial report of "no obvious difference" in the receiver performance after first installing the new K3 synthesizers, I've now had the pleasure of using them in the ARRL CW DX contest on 40 meters last night. Let me preface my observations by saying that I normally run my DSP at 150 Hz bandwidth after the 5 pole 200 Hz filter. My antenna is a 1/4 wave sloper from the top of a 48' tower with a 3 element Steppir on top. After 10 PM from central Indiana last night, 40 meters was wall-to-wall signals from Northern Asia, all of Europe, Africa and even into the South Pacific. This was great real-world test conditions! In short, there IS a difference and it IS noticeable without using lab test equipment! The reward is of being able to more easily hear really weak ( < s3 ) stations sandwiched between other louder stations, often with less than 200 Hz spacing between them. It's sometimes like the unwanted signals are just not there, even though I can watch then on the P3. The band also just sounds quieter between signals, even though there were dozens of big signals within 5 KHz of my tuned frequency. Don't get me wrong, the radio was previously very good in these types of conditions. It just seems to me to be better now! It made me smile. It's also even more obvious who's rigs have offensive transmit characteristics. I'm really enjoying the change in my K3! It will be even more fun in the ARRL 160 contest next December. So now I'm drinking my morning coffee and watching the snow pile up. Perfect contest weather! Back to it... Mike, AB9V From w8zn54 at verizon.net Sat Feb 21 08:19:24 2015 From: w8zn54 at verizon.net (w8zn54 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:19:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LSB/USB/CW/CW-R question Message-ID: <17932265.1548140.1424524764973.JavaMail.root@vms170031.mailsrvcs.net> My friend had his K3 repaired at Elecraft and upon return, LSB is no longer on the same frequency as CW and USB is no longer on the same as CW-R as his other K3 is. Seems I remember way back in a previous release note where that could be set. Anyone know where to set this? Thanks!!!! Terry Price - W8ZN From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Feb 21 08:47:23 2015 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (KD8NNU) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 08:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LSB/USB/CW/CW-R question In-Reply-To: <17932265.1548140.1424524764973.JavaMail.root@vms170031.mailsrvcs.net> References: <17932265.1548140.1424524764973.JavaMail.root@vms170031.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I would love to know if there is a setting for this also. Thanks Don Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:19 AM, w8zn54 at verizon.net wrote: > > > My friend had his K3 repaired at Elecraft and upon return, LSB is no longer on the same frequency as CW and USB is no longer on the same as CW-R as his other K3 is. Seems I remember way back in a previous release note where that could be set. Anyone know where to set this? > > Thanks!!!! > > Terry Price - W8ZN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 21 09:08:15 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:08:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LSB/USB/CW/CW-R question In-Reply-To: References: <17932265.1548140.1424524764973.JavaMail.root@vms170031.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <79EA52C4-3EC4-4B1E-BA93-14F5268EEFF1@yahoo.co.uk> If I understand you correctly, I think you are looking at the VFO OFS setting which is hidden in the CW WGHT menu on page 55 of the manual. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 21 Feb 2015, at 13:47, KD8NNU wrote: > > I would love to know if there is a setting for this also. > > Thanks > Don > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:19 AM, w8zn54 at verizon.net wrote: >> >> >> My friend had his K3 repaired at Elecraft and upon return, LSB is no longer on the same frequency as CW and USB is no longer on the same as CW-R as his other K3 is. Seems I remember way back in a previous release note where that could be set. Anyone know where to set this? >> >> Thanks!!!! >> >> Terry Price - W8ZN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 21 09:13:42 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] LSB/USB/CW/CW-R question In-Reply-To: References: <17932265.1548140.1424524764973.JavaMail.root@vms170031.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <54E89296.7090002@subich.com> From the K3 Owner's Manual ver D10 pg 29: > SSB/CW VFO Offset > > The K3 can automatically offset the VFO frequency when you switch > from SSB to CW mode, so other stations will hear the correct CW > pitch. See CONFIG:CW WGHT for details. For CONFIG:CW WGHT See page 55 of the Owner's Manual 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-21 8:47 AM, KD8NNU wrote: > I would love to know if there is a setting for this also. > > Thanks > Don > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:19 AM, w8zn54 at verizon.net wrote: >> >> >> My friend had his K3 repaired at Elecraft and upon return, LSB is no longer on the same frequency as CW and USB is no longer on the same as CW-R as his other K3 is. Seems I remember way back in a previous release note where that could be set. Anyone know where to set this? >> >> Thanks!!!! >> >> Terry Price - W8ZN >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From q.g.collier at btinternet.com Sat Feb 21 12:23:33 2015 From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:23:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> <420E5FF4-5669-45F2-B519-6DE597A6E47F@elecraft.com> <54E3E43B.9040608@subich.com> <54E475C1.2090605@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1424539413.97902.YahooMailNeo@web186003.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> And in order to make the user interface properly user friendly, we could have a CONFIG item to set the shock voltage so that the operator suffers unbearable pain rather than death.... :-) 73, Quin G3WRR ________________________________ From: Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2015, 11:21 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown Joe, that is a great idea, but it doesn't go far enough. Some users might switch off the test mode on purpose. In this case, the K3 should induce an electric shock. Add some voice recognition software, so that when the user says "UP" in simplex mode, the K3 self-destructs.? ;-) 73, Mitcn DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 18.02.2015 02:00, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Looking for the *absence* of a change when the PTT is pressed or the > key is tapped to indicate that one has forgotten to engage split is a > bit counter intuitive.? The *three* current indicators that split is > engaged *before* entering transmit are the logical UI. > > Perhaps the better solution is to ask the logging software authors to > determine when VFO A is tuned to a frequency spotted as split and > select TEST MODE if split is not engaged or both VFOs are on the same > frequency !? Maybe a lack of output will be sufficient "immediate > feedback". > > 73, > >? ? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-17 7:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Wayne > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to q.g.collier at btinternet.com From f6dex at yahoo.fr Sat Feb 21 12:32:16 2015 From: f6dex at yahoo.fr (Laurent F6DEX) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:32:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation - display of Transmit frequency on keydown In-Reply-To: References: <1424216179248-7598758.post@n2.nabble.com> <54E3D787.3070408@subich.com> Message-ID: <1424539936905-7599107.post@n2.nabble.com> HI Wayne Anyway, a useful indication could be the split (i.e +1.50) offset instead of the VFO B frequency (user choice based on the DISP status). This is rarely done by manufacturers (I know the TS-990 which does this) but this is very useful in practice and avoids mental calculations. 73, Laurent F6DEX ----- Laurent F6DEX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Split-operation-display-of-Transmit-frequency-on-keydown-tp7598758p7599107.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lrmccreary at earthlink.net Sat Feb 21 12:41:01 2015 From: lrmccreary at earthlink.net (Larry McCreary) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:41:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] error message when updating kx3 Message-ID: When I attempt to update my rig I receive a message does not appear to be an elecraft. I have updated to the newest config utility. I have updated successfully many times since I have had the unit. This message appears with every attempt. I would really appreciate help with this problem. Larry From ka2rvo at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 12:49:14 2015 From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:49:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] error message when updating kx3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is the message you are seeing? 73, Jim KA2RVO On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Larry McCreary wrote: > When I attempt to update my rig I receive a message does not appear to be > an elecraft. I have updated to the newest config utility. I have updated > successfully many times since I have had the unit. This message appears > with every attempt. I would really appreciate help with this problem. > Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com > From lrmccreary at earthlink.net Sat Feb 21 13:09:39 2015 From: lrmccreary at earthlink.net (Larry McCreary) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:09:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] error message when updating kx3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <875CF3AD-AED4-47B7-A1BF-B5FB3DDF0918@earthlink.net> message is does not appear to be an elecraft. On Feb 21, 2015, at 12:49 PM, James Austin wrote: > What is the message you are seeing? > > 73, > Jim KA2RVO > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Larry McCreary wrote: > When I attempt to update my rig I receive a message does not appear to be an elecraft. I have updated to the newest config utility. I have updated successfully many times since I have had the unit. This message appears with every attempt. I would really appreciate help with this problem. > Larry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com > From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Feb 21 13:17:01 2015 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (goldtr8 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:17:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] How to build a quick split macro for memory button Message-ID: <55394218.1ce402.14bad5b5dd4.Webtop.46@charter.net> All the talk about split has made me want to build a quick split macro or memory button. I started to read the manual but its not making sense to me. I guess some stuff I just need some help to learn. Anyway what I think I want is to set up a macro button that would do the A>B double tap function then add 5k to VFOB (up 5) and then put the radio in split. Also a similar one for adding 1k to VFOB (up 1 for CW). How would I do this and assign to M1 or M2. I know this should be simple but what I am reading is not sinking in. Thanks in advance for someone who can explain into my thick skull. ~73 Don KD8NNU FH#4107 -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- From wd8jwj at wcnet.org Sat Feb 21 13:18:18 2015 From: wd8jwj at wcnet.org (Bill Wilkins) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:18:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] error message when updating kx3 In-Reply-To: <875CF3AD-AED4-47B7-A1BF-B5FB3DDF0918@earthlink.net> References: <875CF3AD-AED4-47B7-A1BF-B5FB3DDF0918@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1424542698362-7599112.post@n2.nabble.com> Go to the manual and do the hard reset, then try to reload the firmware. I had to do this to my KX3 recently when it locked up completely. Involves removing power, removing one battery, re-installing battery, etc. It's in the manual. Good Luck 73, Bill, WD8JWJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/error-message-when-updating-kx3-tp7599108p7599112.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 14:24:29 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:24:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How to build a quick split macro for memory button In-Reply-To: <55394218.1ce402.14bad5b5dd4.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <55394218.1ce402.14bad5b5dd4.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <54E8DB6D.3060601@gmail.com> Here's a simple one. I'll explain it and then tell you how to assign it to a button. SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB5;SB1; This does the following: SWT13;SWT13; A->B, twice FT1; SPLIT on UPB5; VFO B up 2 kHz (yes, it's not a typo. The 5 means 2 kHz) SB1; turn on the SUBRX Of course if you don't have a subreceiver you don't need the SB1; Also note that I have CONFIG: L--MIX--R set to A Ab so that I will hear the DX in the left and right channels and the pileup in the right channel. I find that most comfortable. If you just want split without the subrx, you can just tab SUB after going into split. OK, now what you do is go to the K3 Utility and select the Command Tester/K3 Macros tab, and click Edit Macros. Click Read Macros from K3 in case you already have some. Put the string of your macro in an empty slot and give it a name like SPLIT. Note the number of the slot. Then click Write Macros to K3. Click SAVE and you are done with the Utility. Now go to the K3 and hold Menu. Select CONFIG:Function. Now tap the K3 numeric button that corresponds to the macro slot that you used. If it was number 2, tap the 2 button. You should get MACRO 2 in the VFO B display. Now just tap or hold the programmable button that you want to assign it to (hold PF1 or PF2 or tap or hold one of the M1-M4 buttons). It sounds a lot harder than it is. On 21 Feb 2015 20:17, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: > > All the talk about split has made me want to build a quick split macro > or memory button. > > I started to read the manual but its not making sense to me. I guess > some stuff I just need some help to learn. > > Anyway what I think I want is to set up a macro button that would do the > A>B double tap function then add 5k to VFOB (up 5) and then put the > radio in split. Also a similar one for adding 1k to VFOB (up 1 for CW). > > How would I do this and assign to M1 or M2. > > I know this should be simple but what I am reading is not sinking in. > > Thanks in advance for someone who can explain into my thick skull. > > ~73 > Don > KD8NNU > FH#4107 -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Feb 21 14:30:14 2015 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (goldtr8 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:30:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] How to build a quick split macro for memory button Message-ID: <38490ee3.1ce786.14bad9e67f0.Webtop.46@charter.net> Ok more reading and searching the internet has got me started. I see you need to use the elecraft utility to make a macro and assign it to a memory button. I was trying to figure out how to do it using the radio front panel. ~73 Don KD8NNU FH#4107 -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: > All the talk about split has made me want to build a quick split macro > or memory button. > > I started to read the manual but its not making sense to me. I guess > some stuff I just need some help to learn. > > Anyway what I think I want is to set up a macro button that would do > the A>B double tap function then add 5k to VFOB (up 5) and then put > the radio in split. Also a similar one for adding 1k to VFOB (up 1 > for CW). > > How would I do this and assign to M1 or M2. > > I know this should be simple but what I am reading is not sinking in. > > Thanks in advance for someone who can explain into my thick skull. > > ~73 > Don > KD8NNU > FH#4107 > -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 15:00:21 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 20:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] How to build a quick split macro for memory button In-Reply-To: <38490ee3.1ce786.14bad9e67f0.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <38490ee3.1ce786.14bad9e67f0.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <1424548821.14509.150.camel@gmail.com> Hi Don, macros are a great feature. As you are building them you can test them with the Elecraft utility and when you are happy you upload them to the radio you can set up a macro for anything you can define as a series of commands. take a look at the K3 programming reference guide to see what commands are available for use (basically everything including accessing menus ) Once macros are uploaded to the radio you can assign them to M1-M4 tap and M1-M4 Hold as well as PF1 and PF2 My Spit +2 looks like (assigned M2-tap) DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; Broken down this is DV0; (diversity off) SWT13;SW13; (two taps of A>B) to copy all settings FT1; Split on UPB5; up 2 Khz (UPB4; up 1KHz UPB6; up 3Khz, UPB7; 5Khz ) XT0; (XIT off ) SB1; (Sub RX on) MN111;MP001;MN255; (L-mix-R) to A Ab (main in both ears, sub in right) BW$0100; (Set VFOB filter to 1Khz to make hearing the callers easier) I also have a clean-up macro that puts things back to a normal, consistent state (assigned M2-Hold) FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; Broken down this is FT0; Split off RT0; RIT off DV0; Diversity off SB1; SUB on (needs to be on for next command to be valid) MN111;MP000;MN255; (set L-mix-R to A B ) SB0; SUB off again hope this helps On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 14:30 -0500, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: > Ok more reading and searching the internet has got me started. I see > you need to use the elecraft utility to make a macro and assign it to a > memory button. I was trying to figure out how to do it using the radio > front panel. > > > ~73 > Don > KD8NNU > FH#4107 > -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: > > > All the talk about split has made me want to build a quick split macro > > or memory button. > > > > I started to read the manual but its not making sense to me. I guess > > some stuff I just need some help to learn. > > > > Anyway what I think I want is to set up a macro button that would do > > the A>B double tap function then add 5k to VFOB (up 5) and then put > > the radio in split. Also a similar one for adding 1k to VFOB (up 1 > > for CW). > > > > How would I do this and assign to M1 or M2. > > > > I know this should be simple but what I am reading is not sinking in. > > > > Thanks in advance for someone who can explain into my thick skull. > > > > ~73 > > Don > > KD8NNU > > FH#4107 > > -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From ejkkjh at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 15:24:29 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KSYN3A install Message-ID: Installed the KSYN3A synthesizer today, it was pretty easy. Used earlier post idea of installing on op desk without disconnecting all the rear cables, used good static protection. Only slight problem was the long leads on the mini connector (page 11). I trimmed them but when installed they were touching. I used very small cutters and trimmed them several times before I got them short enough not to touch. Other than that, all went well, rig works great. Will do some testing to see the difference. 73 Good luck Emory WM3M From goldtr8 at charter.net Sat Feb 21 16:08:05 2015 From: goldtr8 at charter.net (goldtr8 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:08:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] How to build a quick split macro for memory button Message-ID: <7d624935.1ceb33.14badf7ff17.Webtop.46@charter.net> Thanks everyone for the replies I now have them built and working. Cheers Don ~73 Don KD8NNU FH#4107 -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Brendan Minish wrote: > Hi Don, > > macros are a great feature. As you are building them you can test them > with the Elecraft utility and when you are happy you upload them to > the > radio you can set up a macro for anything you can define as a series > of > commands. > take a look at the K3 programming reference guide to see what commands > are available for use (basically everything including accessing menus > ) Once macros are uploaded to the radio you can assign them to > > M1-M4 tap and M1-M4 Hold as well as PF1 and PF2 > My Spit +2 looks like (assigned M2-tap) > > DV0;SWT13;SW13;FT1;UPB5;XT0;SB1;MN111;MP001;MN255;BW$0100; > > > Broken down this is > DV0; (diversity off) > SWT13;SW13; (two taps of A>B) to copy all settings FT1; Split on UPB5; > up 2 Khz (UPB4; up 1KHz UPB6; up 3Khz, UPB7; 5Khz ) > XT0; (XIT off ) > SB1; (Sub RX on) > MN111;MP001;MN255; (L-mix-R) to A Ab (main in both ears, sub in right) > BW$0100; (Set VFOB filter to 1Khz to make hearing the callers easier) > > I also have a clean-up macro that puts things back to a normal, > consistent state (assigned M2-Hold) > FT0;RT0;DV0;SB1;MN111;MP000;MN255;SB0; > > Broken down this is > FT0; Split off > RT0; RIT off > DV0; Diversity off > SB1; SUB on (needs to be on for next command to be valid) > MN111;MP000;MN255; (set L-mix-R to A B ) > SB0; SUB off again > > hope this helps > > > On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 14:30 -0500, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: >> Ok more reading and searching the internet has got me started. I >> see you need to use the elecraft utility to make a macro and assign >> it to a memory button. I was trying to figure out how to do it >> using the radio front panel. >> >> >> ~73 >> Don >> KD8NNU >> FH#4107 >> -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:17 PM, goldtr8 at charter.net wrote: >> >>> All the talk about split has made me want to build a quick split >>> macro or memory button. >>> >>> I started to read the manual but its not making sense to me. I >>> guess some stuff I just need some help to learn. >>> >>> Anyway what I think I want is to set up a macro button that would do >>> the A>B double tap function then add 5k to VFOB (up 5) and then put >>> the radio in split. Also a similar one for adding 1k to VFOB (up 1 >>> for CW). >>> >>> How would I do this and assign to M1 or M2. >>> >>> I know this should be simple but what I am reading is not sinking >>> in. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for someone who can explain into my thick skull. >>> >>> ~73 >>> Don >>> KD8NNU >>> FH#4107 >>> -.- -.. ---.. ?. ?. ..- >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to goldtr8 at charter.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com > > -- > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ From w0mu at w0mu.com Sat Feb 21 16:56:21 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:56:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error 6 when changing filters then xmitting Message-ID: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> This is easily repeatable on CW. I have the 2.8 in slot 4 and a 400 hz filter in slot 2. If I turn the bw down into the 400hz slot 2 position and Xmit. The amp will fault out with an error 6. I noticed this in the RTTY contest too but never figured it out. I wonder if I should try a transmit recalibrate? I just upgraded the FW on my K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500 to the latest. -- Mike W0MU From w0mu at w0mu.com Sat Feb 21 18:03:14 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error 6 when changing filters then xmitting In-Reply-To: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> References: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <54E90EB2.2090402@w0mu.com> I have the 2.8 in slot 2 and the 400 in slot 4........... Sorry about the mixup. Mike W0MU On 2/21/2015 2:56 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > This is easily repeatable on CW. > > I have the 2.8 in slot 4 and a 400 hz filter in slot 2. > > If I turn the bw down into the 400hz slot 2 position and Xmit. The amp > will fault out with an error 6. > > I noticed this in the RTTY contest too but never figured it out. > > I wonder if I should try a transmit recalibrate? I just upgraded the > FW on my K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500 to the latest. > From mteberle at mchsi.com Sat Feb 21 18:49:12 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 17:49:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error 6 when changing filters then xmitting In-Reply-To: <54E90EB2.2090402@w0mu.com> References: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> <54E90EB2.2090402@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <54E91978.4010006@mchsi.com> Fault #6 appears to be 'Excessive Driving Power' so it probably wouldn't hurt to run the TX Gain Calibration again, make sure PWR SET in the menu is set for Per Band, then check the power settings with the KPA500 on each band in operate mode. Although I'm not sure why it would only do it when the 400Hz filter is selected. You might double check that the 2.8KHz filter is still set as the TX filter for SSB, CW, and DATA Mike KI0HA On 2/21/2015 17:03, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > I have the 2.8 in slot 2 and the 400 in slot 4........... > Sorry about the mixup. > > Mike W0MU > > On 2/21/2015 2:56 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> This is easily repeatable on CW. >> >> I have the 2.8 in slot 4 and a 400 hz filter in slot 2. >> >> If I turn the bw down into the 400hz slot 2 position and Xmit. The >> amp will fault out with an error 6. >> >> I noticed this in the RTTY contest too but never figured it out. >> >> I wonder if I should try a transmit recalibrate? I just upgraded the >> FW on my K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500 to the latest. >> > From rayk8rdj at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 19:02:28 2015 From: rayk8rdj at gmail.com (Raymond Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 FS Message-ID: For Sale KX3 with accessories. I haven't used my KX3 as much as I thought I would, so it is for sale. I have a K2 and a k3 which I use more. KX3 power cable usb cable KXFL3 Roofing filter KXAT3 Antenna tuner KXBC3 Internal battery charger and realtime clock MH3 Hand mike KXPD3 CW key end panels by N8WTT $1275 + shipping and insurance. Payment by postal money order or certified check. Also by Paypal if you pay the fee. Reply direct to rayk8rdj at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Feb 21 21:12:54 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:12:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer Message-ID: Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . Ted, KN1CBR From jose.campione at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 21:49:17 2015 From: jose.campione at gmail.com (Jose Campione) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:49:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX3_won=E2=80=99t_unkey_properly?= In-Reply-To: <54E79B02.2000302@subich.com> References: <54E79B02.2000302@subich.com> Message-ID: <1424573357864-7599124.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank you Joe. That is a good suggestion. However I have checked and as far as I can tell there is no conflicting PTT actions. I also use DATA A as the recommended mode in the KX3 and do not use VOX. I believe that PTT is either via RigCAT or Hamlib, and no PTT port is provided in the Fldigi configuration. Everything works fine except for that the KX3 refuses to completely unkey on its own. I unlikely to encounter this problem for long because I have decided to order a USB sound card hub to provide the MacBook Retina with an external sound card with audio input and output. The MacBook Retina is supposed to have external input and output via the single stereo audio port using a 4-ring stereo plug, but in my experience this did not work. Besides using an external sound card makes also sense to avoid spurious signals from the environment. I'll be using the Signalink with my desk radio and keep the little audio hub for the occasional digital with the KX3 from the trail. Much appreciated. 73 Jose VA3PCJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-won-t-unkey-properly-tp7599065p7599124.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pfizenmayer at q.com Sat Feb 21 23:44:25 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK what did I do ? Been working on cw and external noise canceller for couple days - and just tried to listen for the TI9 on SSB - both main and sub rx are dead. All other modes fine , Just USB or USB dead - all bands absolutely not a trace of audio - did a couple on -off cycles no joy . The 2.7 khz filter is selected for SSB and is functional in all other modes both receivers. Hank K7HP From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Sat Feb 21 23:48:25 2015 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Installing New Synthesizer Boards Message-ID: <000f01d04e5a$cb8ef030$62acd090$@carolina.rr.com> Is it necessary to remove the KRX3 to install both synthesizer boards and their corresponding TMP cables? Thanks. Roy Morris W4WFB From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 22 00:22:13 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Installing New Synthesizer Boards In-Reply-To: <000f01d04e5a$cb8ef030$62acd090$@carolina.rr.com> References: <000f01d04e5a$cb8ef030$62acd090$@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1942185359.3756408.1424582533846.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> No it is not I just installed mine today From: Roy Morris To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:48 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Installing New Synthesizer Boards Is it necessary to remove the KRX3 to install both synthesizer boards and their corresponding TMP cables?? Thanks.? Roy Morris? W4WFB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Feb 22 00:30:35 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:30:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> ASCII? That is a character set that is a subset of Unicode, which is now used on all modern computers. It isn?t something you program with, it simply represents characters. On the Mac we do not use ASCII coded characters, but rather Unicode characters, usually coded in UTF-8. What is it that you are really trying to do? If that is to program the Mac, I highly recommend a tutorial on Objective-C and Cocoa, along with Aaron Hillegas? excellent Mac programming tutorial ?Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X? which is now in its fourth edition. I see that Aaron also has a book on Objective-C programming, which might be a good place to start. Both are produced by Big Nerd Ranch over in Atlanta, and are available from Barnes and Noble, amazon and other booksellers. Yu might also want to take a good look at programming the Mac in Swift. There are several good books available at the iBooks store, some free, others cost a bit. You might find Swift a bit easier than Cocoa to learn and get up to speed. You can get the Mac tools directly from Apple for free at http://developer.apple.com. In particular, the Xcode development environment is what you want. It allows development in many languages for the Mac and iOS devices. For UI development, you will need to use either Objective-C or Swift Good luck on you new journey. Programming the Mac is a fun and very enjoyable exercise, with lots to learn no matter how good you become at it. 73, Jack B, W6FB > On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. > > Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). > > Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From phystad at mac.com Sun Feb 22 00:44:11 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 21:44:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer In-Reply-To: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> References: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> Message-ID: <2DDF6701-628D-4253-A9D9-B8A3B79EA213@mac.com> ASCII... Well, the UTF-8 character set is indeed designed to be backward compatible with ASCII but it is far more than that -- and even these days many programmers do have trouble with UTF-8. Why? Because UTF-8 is a multi-byte, variable length character encoding system. Sure, the backward compatible ASCII codes are single byte but you can literally encode any character defined by UNICODE via UTF-8. Chinese characters defined in UNICODE take more than a single byte to define so they require the multi-byte features of UTF.8. Now, I do agree that the programming for radio control is not likely to run into multi-byte characters but UTF-8 will include them if they are found elsewhere -- say a text file that has mixed English as other multi-byte characters. I agree with the need to download Xcode and learn Objective-C but the new Swift language might be easier for someone who is just starting out to learn. I am not sure which would be easier to learn, Objective-C or Swift but I think Swift, being more modern and also supporting scripting is easier. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > ASCII? That is a character set that is a subset of Unicode, which is now used on all modern computers. It isn?t something you program with, it simply represents characters. On the Mac we do not use ASCII coded characters, but rather Unicode characters, usually coded in UTF-8. > > What is it that you are really trying to do? If that is to program the Mac, I highly recommend a tutorial on Objective-C and Cocoa, along with Aaron Hillegas? excellent Mac programming tutorial ?Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X? which is now in its fourth edition. I see that Aaron also has a book on Objective-C programming, which might be a good place to start. Both are produced by Big Nerd Ranch over in Atlanta, and are available from Barnes and Noble, amazon and other booksellers. Yu might also want to take a good look at programming the Mac in Swift. There are several good books available at the iBooks store, some free, others cost a bit. You might find Swift a bit easier than Cocoa to learn and get up to speed. > > You can get the Mac tools directly from Apple for free at http://developer.apple.com. In particular, the Xcode development environment is what you want. It allows development in many languages for the Mac and iOS devices. For UI development, you will need to use either Objective-C or Swift > > Good luck on you new journey. Programming the Mac is a fun and very enjoyable exercise, with lots to learn no matter how good you become at it. > > 73, > > Jack B, W6FB > > >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >> Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. >> >> Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). >> >> Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From phils at riousa.com Sun Feb 22 01:11:58 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 22:11:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB net Message-ID: <0544F047-D64E-48CC-AF51-911462053322@riousa.com> The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets Sunday at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P (Oregon) From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Feb 22 02:23:41 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:23:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer In-Reply-To: <2DDF6701-628D-4253-A9D9-B8A3B79EA213@mac.com> References: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> <2DDF6701-628D-4253-A9D9-B8A3B79EA213@mac.com> Message-ID: I am pretty sure that the question about ASCII programming was about the ASCII protocol to Elecraft rigs. That truly is ASCII, complete with control characters. And yes, I know about Unicode and UTF-8. I was doing multibyte character set programming before Unicode. I?ve done some Elecraft control programming and it isn?t easy. Yeah, you can fart out ASCII, but the radio takes time to respond, and some of the codes read the display rather than the data, so it is a highly stateful, ugly experience. Instead of explaining how smart you are about UTF-8, be an Elmer. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > ASCII... > > Well, the UTF-8 character set is indeed designed to be backward compatible with ASCII but it is far more than that -- and even these days many programmers do have trouble with UTF-8. Why? Because UTF-8 is a multi-byte, variable length character encoding system. Sure, the backward compatible ASCII codes are single byte but you can literally encode any character defined by UNICODE via UTF-8. Chinese characters defined in UNICODE take more than a single byte to define so they require the multi-byte features of UTF.8. > > Now, I do agree that the programming for radio control is not likely to run into multi-byte characters but UTF-8 will include them if they are found elsewhere -- say a text file that has mixed English as other multi-byte characters. > > I agree with the need to download Xcode and learn Objective-C but the new Swift language might be easier for someone who is just starting out to learn. I am not sure which would be easier to learn, Objective-C or Swift but I think Swift, being more modern and also supporting scripting is easier. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> >> ASCII? That is a character set that is a subset of Unicode, which is now used on all modern computers. It isn?t something you program with, it simply represents characters. On the Mac we do not use ASCII coded characters, but rather Unicode characters, usually coded in UTF-8. >> >> What is it that you are really trying to do? If that is to program the Mac, I highly recommend a tutorial on Objective-C and Cocoa, along with Aaron Hillegas? excellent Mac programming tutorial ?Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X? which is now in its fourth edition. I see that Aaron also has a book on Objective-C programming, which might be a good place to start. Both are produced by Big Nerd Ranch over in Atlanta, and are available from Barnes and Noble, amazon and other booksellers. Yu might also want to take a good look at programming the Mac in Swift. There are several good books available at the iBooks store, some free, others cost a bit. You might find Swift a bit easier than Cocoa to learn and get up to speed. >> >> You can get the Mac tools directly from Apple for free at http://developer.apple.com. In particular, the Xcode development environment is what you want. It allows development in many languages for the Mac and iOS devices. For UI development, you will need to use either Objective-C or Swift >> >> Good luck on you new journey. Programming the Mac is a fun and very enjoyable exercise, with lots to learn no matter how good you become at it. >> >> 73, >> >> Jack B, W6FB >> >> >>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> >>> Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. >>> >>> Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). >>> >>> Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wsuite at dfwairport.com Sun Feb 22 05:03:56 2015 From: wsuite at dfwairport.com (Suite, Wayne) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:03:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] No SSB Message-ID: Make sure yiu have turned on the preamp sometimes I think the same since the receiver is so good then I realize I have the preamp turnrd off. I turn the preamp back on and all is well again. What a super radio. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note? II ******* Notice ******** The information contained in this e-mail, including attachments, may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking any action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and then delete the material from your computer. From wsuite at dfwairport.com Sun Feb 22 05:19:13 2015 From: wsuite at dfwairport.com (Suite, Wayne) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer Message-ID: Google tcl it works for mac win or linux and will do what you wanr. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note? II ******* Notice ******** The information contained in this e-mail, including attachments, may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the person responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking any action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and then delete the material from your computer. From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Feb 22 06:26:33 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 Message-ID: <882649137.2101922.1424604393836.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Elecrafters, I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. ?I did a RF power output re-calibration and everything is ok now. I don't know why this happens? ?I did not do any changes in configuration before. Any ideas? 73 Johnny VR2XMC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 22 08:56:54 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer Message-ID: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M WSPR beacon overnight.I should be getting 1mw out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 mw.Today I will run the power cal maybe that will help to get a little morepower out. The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - upper side band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP into a 60 ft top loaded vertical.Check out the WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM There are a few photo and a little info on qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 09:49:00 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 06:49:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E9EC5C.1050606@socal.rr.com> Ken, And I thought 1 mW was pretty paltry; 0.8 mW seems not that much less :-) Re listening: Having not considered 630 m until having it available with my K3 I have no antenna for that purpose. Most of my antennas are resonant on ham bands -- Tri-band beam, rotating 4-band dipole and a 30 m dipole. I do have a full-size G5RV. Would that work for RX on 630 m, perhaps with both sides of the feed coax tied together so it looks like a long wire? Seems like that may be my best option among those I have. But as an "old hand" on 630 m, perhaps you have experience with "make do" RX antennas. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 5:56 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Hello all, > Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M WSPR beacon overnight.I should be getting 1mw out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 mw.Today I will run the power cal maybe that will help to get a little morepower out. > The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - upper side band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP into a 60 ft top loaded vertical.Check out the WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM > There are a few photo and a little info on qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone > 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 09:54:15 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 06:54:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <54E9EC5C.1050606@socal.rr.com> References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E9EC5C.1050606@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54E9ED97.9090008@socal.rr.com> And "8 pm to 10 pm": Since you are a K5, I assume you mean CST zone time. But no telling: I'm a W7 but in California :-) Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 6:49 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Ken, > > And I thought 1 mW was pretty paltry; 0.8 mW > seems not that much less :-) > > Re listening: Having not considered 630 m until > having it available with my K3 I have no antenna > for that purpose. Most of my antennas are > resonant on ham bands -- Tri-band beam, rotating > 4-band dipole and a 30 m dipole. I do have a > full-size G5RV. Would that work for RX on 630 m, > perhaps with both sides of the feed coax tied > together so it looks like a long wire? Seems > like that may be my best option among those I > have. But as an "old hand" on 630 m, perhaps you > have experience with "make do" RX antennas. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > > On 2/22/15 5:56 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft > wrote: >> Hello all, >> Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M >> WSPR beacon overnight.I should be getting 1mw >> out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 >> mw.Today I will run the power cal maybe that >> will help to get a little morepower out. >> The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 >> meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - upper side >> band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP >> into a 60 ft top loaded vertical.Check out the >> WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM >> There are a few photo and a little info on >> qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone >> 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From dl2rum at t-online.de Sun Feb 22 10:07:45 2015 From: dl2rum at t-online.de (Thomas Lindner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 memories and split Message-ID: Hi, during testing my K3/KX3 memory management program for Apple OS-X I discovered an unexpected behaviour: Short: When recalling a memory, VFO B will not be set when it is currently on another band. Long: I have installed the Sub RX, using firmware MCU 5.09 and have set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES Example: I have set a memory to split ON, VFO A to 7007kHz and VFO B to 7008kHz both in CW. Later I have tuned both VFOs to 20m and I want to recall my memory. I would expect, the VFOs will be tuned to 7007 and 7008. But this don't happen for VFO B. B stays on 20m. I have to bring VFO B to 40m first, then the memory will be recalled correct including the split. It works as expected, when CONFIG:VFO IND is set to NO. Bug or feature? 73 de Tom, DL2RUM From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 22 10:33:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:33:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <882649137.2101922.1424604393836.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <882649137.2101922.1424604393836.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> Did you load one of the recent beta firmware releases? Starting with 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a change that required redoing the TX power calibration. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Elecrafters, > I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did a RF power output re-calibration and everything is ok now. > I don't know why this happens? I did not do any changes in configuration before. > Any ideas? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 10:53:30 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 07:53:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> References: <882649137.2101922.1424604393836.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> Message-ID: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. 5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." /Guess I'd better do that today :-) Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware > releases? Starting with > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a > change that required > redoing the TX power calibration. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello Elecrafters, >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver >> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did >> a RF power output re-calibration and everything >> is ok now. >> I don't know why this happens? I did not do >> any changes in configuration before. >> Any ideas? >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 22 11:36:04 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> References: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1369323034.6741842.1424622964379.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Not sure that apply to 630M band Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. 5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." /Guess I'd better do that today :-) Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware > releases?? Starting with > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a > change that required > redoing the TX power calibration. > > 73, > >? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello Elecrafters, >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver >> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W.? I did >> a RF power output re-calibration and everything >> is ok now. >> I don't know why this happens?? I did not do >> any changes in configuration before. >> Any ideas? >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com From w0eb at cox.net Sun Feb 22 11:41:44 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:41:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There's are 3 calibration levels in the Utility. 50Watt, 5 Watt and 1 milliwatt. Do all 3 of them and you should have it covered. Jim - W0EB Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken Roberson via Elecraft" To: "Phil Wheeler" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 2/22/2015 10:36:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 >Not sure that apply to 630M band >Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil Wheeler > wrote: > > > Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. >5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." > >/Guess I'd better do that today :-) > >Phil W7OX > >On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Did you load one of the recent beta firmware >> releases? Starting with >> 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a >> change that required >> redoing the TX power calibration. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >>> Hello Elecrafters, >>> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver >>> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did >>> a RF power output re-calibration and everything >>> is ok now. >>> I don't know why this happens? I did not do >>> any changes in configuration before. >>> Any ideas? >>> 73 >>> Johnny VR2XMC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to kwroberson at yahoo.com > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 11:53:23 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:53:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <1369323034.6741842.1424622964379.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> <1369323034.6741842.1424622964379.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EA0983.70408@socal.rr.com> Hopefully there is not a 1 mW power cal :-) Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 8:36 AM, Ken Roberson wrote: > Not sure that apply to 630M band > > Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil > Wheeler wrote: > > > Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. > 5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." > > /Guess I'd better do that today :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware > > releases? Starting with > > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a > > change that required > > redoing the TX power calibration. > > > > 73, > > > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > >> Hello Elecrafters, > >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver > >> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did > >> a RF power output re-calibration and everything > >> is ok now. > >> I don't know why this happens? I did not do > >> any changes in configuration before. > >> Any ideas? > >> 73 > >> Johnny VR2XMC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 11:54:42 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:54:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54EA0983.70408@socal.rr.com> References: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> <1369323034.6741842.1424622964379.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EA0983.70408@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EA09D2.40905@socal.rr.com> Oops, apparently there is! On 2/22/15 8:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Hopefully there is not a 1 mW power cal :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/22/15 8:36 AM, Ken Roberson wrote: >> Not sure that apply to 630M band >> >> Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM >> >> >> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil >> Wheeler wrote: >> >> >> Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. >> 5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." >> >> /Guess I'd better do that today :-) >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> > >> > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware >> > releases? Starting with >> > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a >> > change that required >> > redoing the TX power calibration. >> > >> > 73, >> > >> > ... Joe, W4TV >> > >> > >> > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> >> Hello Elecrafters, >> >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver >> >> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did >> >> a RF power output re-calibration and everything >> >> is ok now. >> >> I don't know why this happens? I did not do >> >> any changes in configuration before. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> 73 >> >> Johnny VR2XMC > From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 12:26:02 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:26:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54EA09D2.40905@socal.rr.com> References: <54E9FB7A.3060308@socal.rr.com> <1369323034.6741842.1424622964379.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EA0983.70408@socal.rr.com> <54EA09D2.40905@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I just discovered this during CW contest, low power out ! Calibrate TX gain fixed it...Firmware MCU 05.10 73, Deni - F5VJC On 22 February 2015 at 17:54, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Oops, apparently there is! > > > On 2/22/15 8:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> Hopefully there is not a 1 mW power cal :-) >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/22/15 8:36 AM, Ken Roberson wrote: >> >>> Not sure that apply to 630M band >>> >>> Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil Wheeler >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. >>> 5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." >>> >>> /Guess I'd better do that today :-) >>> >>> Phil W7OX >>> >>> On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> > >>> > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware >>> > releases? Starting with >>> > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a >>> > change that required >>> > redoing the TX power calibration. >>> > >>> > 73, >>> > >>> > ... Joe, W4TV >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >>> >> Hello Elecrafters, >>> >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver >>> >> 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did >>> >> a RF power output re-calibration and everything >>> >> is ok now. >>> >> I don't know why this happens? I did not do >>> >> any changes in configuration before. >>> >> Any ideas? >>> >> 73 >>> >> Johnny VR2XMC >>> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net Sun Feb 22 12:27:45 2015 From: JimMiller at STL-OnLine.Net (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:27:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004901d04ec4$df98bd30$9eca3790$@STL-OnLine.Net> Didn't I need some special "tool" to do the 1 mw calibration? 73, Jim KG0KP -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim's Desktop Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:42 AM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 There's are 3 calibration levels in the Utility. 50Watt, 5 Watt and 1 milliwatt. Do all 3 of them and you should have it covered. Jim - W0EB Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ken Roberson via Elecraft" To: "Phil Wheeler" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: 2/22/2015 10:36:04 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 >Not sure that apply to 630M band >Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > On Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:02 AM, Phil Wheeler > wrote: > > > Yes. Note with 5.10 says " /Those who loaded rev. >5.10 must re-do the 50-Watt gain calibration." > >/Guess I'd better do that today :-) > >Phil W7OX > >On 2/22/15 7:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Did you load one of the recent beta firmware releases? Starting >> with >> 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a change that required >> redoing the TX power calibration. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >>> Hello Elecrafters, >>> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other >>> bands deliver 40-50W. I did a RF power output re-calibration and >>> everything is ok now. >>> I don't know why this happens? I did not do any changes in >>> configuration before. >>> Any ideas? >>> 73 >>> Johnny VR2XMC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >kwroberson at yahoo.com > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimmiller at stl-online.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 22 12:52:45 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:52:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <004901d04ec4$df98bd30$9eca3790$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <004901d04ec4$df98bd30$9eca3790$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <54EA176D.40803@embarqmail.com> The only "special tool" is a dummy load on the low power output jack. K3Utility does the rest. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/22/2015 12:27 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Didn't I need some special "tool" to do the 1 mw calibration? 73, Jim KG0KP > > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Feb 22 12:56:28 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:56:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <54EA184C.5060709@coho.net> Good Morning, After a few cloudy nights I was able to see Venus and Mars last night. Venus popped out soon after sunset but I waited until it was much darker to go outside. I looked above Venus, below Venus, all around the crescent moon but no Mars. Then I looked right next to Venus; there it was, within 1/2 of a degree. It was a very pretty sight. As I was looking at SpaceWeather to see how the sun is doing I traversed to the sunspot history page. I am very glad we are not in the era around 1800 to 1830 those were some of the worst sunspot totals on record. But they had to wait for telegraphy to be invented before they could think about radio :) Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 13:21:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:21:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <004901d04ec4$df98bd30$9eca3790$@STL-OnLine.Net> References: <004901d04ec4$df98bd30$9eca3790$@STL-OnLine.Net> Message-ID: <54EA1E0D.2030705@socal.rr.com> Dummy load connected to BNC XVTR output. Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 9:27 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > Didn't I need some special "tool" to do the 1 mw calibration? 73, Jim KG0KP From pfizenmayer at q.com Sun Feb 22 14:39:42 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:39:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> On any band CW/DATA/AM receive normal both main and sub dead on SSB either sideband. Can watch the P3 and signals obviously still coming out of the IF but rx goes dead when MODE is tapped to USB . And I mean DEAD - not a whisper phones or speaker RF and AF gain wide open. NB/NR on or off no change. Saw that W4BQF has same issue - but could not find any responses. Hank K7HP From challinan at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 14:45:23 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:45:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, I'll ask the "stupid" question. What is a "syn pwa" and how do I get on 630M with K3? (Guessing the answers are related!) I'll skip asking what WSPR mean...I looked it up and found answers. -Chris K1AY On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Hello all, > Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M WSPR beacon overnight.I should be getting 1mw out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 mw.Today I will run the power cal maybe that will help to get a little morepower out. > The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - upper side band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP into a 60 ft top loaded vertical.Check out the WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM > There are a few photo and a little info on qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone > 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Feb 22 14:54:50 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:54:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EA340A.40004@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Printed Wiring Assembly -- because PCB just wasn't enough. While we're on the general subject, "white wires" can be any color. 73 -- Lynn On 2/22/2015 11:45 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > OK, I'll ask the "stupid" question. What is a "syn pwa" and how do I > get on 630M with K3? (Guessing the answers are related!) I'll skip > asking what WSPR mean...I looked it up and found answers. > > -Chris > K1AY From lists at subich.com Sun Feb 22 14:59:17 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive In-Reply-To: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> References: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> Message-ID: <54EA3515.5080802@subich.com> Check your filter assignments - CONFIG:FL # or use the K3 Utility. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-22 2:39 PM, Hank P wrote: > On any band CW/DATA/AM receive normal both main and sub dead on SSB > either sideband. Can watch the P3 and signals obviously still coming out > of the IF but rx goes dead when MODE is tapped to USB . And I mean DEAD > - not a whisper phones or speaker RF and AF gain wide open. NB/NR on or > off no change. > > Saw that W4BQF has same issue - but could not find any responses. > > Hank K7HP > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 22 15:07:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive In-Reply-To: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> References: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> Message-ID: <1548402620.3953197.1424635668904.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> did you change something? Load new firmware? From: Hank P To: Elecraft Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive On any band? CW/DATA/AM receive normal? both main and sub dead on SSB either sideband. Can watch the P3 and signals obviously still coming out of the IF but rx goes dead when MODE is tapped to USB . And I mean DEAD - not a whisper phones or speaker RF and AF gain wide open. NB/NR on or off no change. Saw that W4BQF has same issue - but could not find any responses. Hank K7HP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Feb 22 15:10:47 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:10:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer In-Reply-To: References: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> <2DDF6701-628D-4253-A9D9-B8A3B79EA213@mac.com> Message-ID: Sorry to be negative, everyone. I need to take my own advice and be helpful. I recommend starting with the rigcontrol package, written in Python. It is OK if you don?t know Python. This code is very straightforward, so you don?t need use any fancy Python features. It comes with a number of command line scripts that use the package. For example, here is main part of the ?qrg? script, which reports the current frequency. if len(sys.argv) == 1: rig = riglib.K3() print(rig.qsyq()) rig.close() else: print "usage: qrg" I have some some unfinished additions to the library to add KX3 support and build an SWR sweeper (poor man?s antenna analyzer). It works most of the time, but the SWR can only be read off the display, so it occasionally reports ?bypass? as the SWR, because the ATU needs to be in bypass mode to measure the SWR. I sure wish there were commands to read the SWR directly from the KX3. rigcontrol is here: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/rigcontrol You will also need the K3 programming reference. When I was working on the code, I had the reference open in Adobe Reader all the time, because I kept searching it for details. On top of that, I printed out key pages. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3&KX3%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20E11.pdf Since my code doesn?t entirely work, I?m not sure how much help I can be, but I?ll give it a shot. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I am pretty sure that the question about ASCII programming was about the ASCII protocol to Elecraft rigs. That truly is ASCII, complete with control characters. > > And yes, I know about Unicode and UTF-8. I was doing multibyte character set programming before Unicode. > > I?ve done some Elecraft control programming and it isn?t easy. Yeah, you can fart out ASCII, but the radio takes time to respond, and some of the codes read the display rather than the data, so it is a highly stateful, ugly experience. > > Instead of explaining how smart you are about UTF-8, be an Elmer. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> ASCII... >> >> Well, the UTF-8 character set is indeed designed to be backward compatible with ASCII but it is far more than that -- and even these days many programmers do have trouble with UTF-8. Why? Because UTF-8 is a multi-byte, variable length character encoding system. Sure, the backward compatible ASCII codes are single byte but you can literally encode any character defined by UNICODE via UTF-8. Chinese characters defined in UNICODE take more than a single byte to define so they require the multi-byte features of UTF.8. >> >> Now, I do agree that the programming for radio control is not likely to run into multi-byte characters but UTF-8 will include them if they are found elsewhere -- say a text file that has mixed English as other multi-byte characters. >> >> I agree with the need to download Xcode and learn Objective-C but the new Swift language might be easier for someone who is just starting out to learn. I am not sure which would be easier to learn, Objective-C or Swift but I think Swift, being more modern and also supporting scripting is easier. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>> >>> ASCII? That is a character set that is a subset of Unicode, which is now used on all modern computers. It isn?t something you program with, it simply represents characters. On the Mac we do not use ASCII coded characters, but rather Unicode characters, usually coded in UTF-8. >>> >>> What is it that you are really trying to do? If that is to program the Mac, I highly recommend a tutorial on Objective-C and Cocoa, along with Aaron Hillegas? excellent Mac programming tutorial ?Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X? which is now in its fourth edition. I see that Aaron also has a book on Objective-C programming, which might be a good place to start. Both are produced by Big Nerd Ranch over in Atlanta, and are available from Barnes and Noble, amazon and other booksellers. Yu might also want to take a good look at programming the Mac in Swift. There are several good books available at the iBooks store, some free, others cost a bit. You might find Swift a bit easier than Cocoa to learn and get up to speed. >>> >>> You can get the Mac tools directly from Apple for free at http://developer.apple.com. In particular, the Xcode development environment is what you want. It allows development in many languages for the Mac and iOS devices. For UI development, you will need to use either Objective-C or Swift >>> >>> Good luck on you new journey. Programming the Mac is a fun and very enjoyable exercise, with lots to learn no matter how good you become at it. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jack B, W6FB >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>> >>>> Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. >>>> >>>> Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . >>>> >>>> Ted, KN1CBR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 15:20:31 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:20:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EA3A0F.1010205@socal.rr.com> You need the updated Synth board and the general coverage filter option in your K3. Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 11:45 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > OK, I'll ask the "stupid" question. What is a "syn pwa" and how do I > get on 630M with K3? (Guessing the answers are related!) I'll skip > asking what WSPR mean...I looked it up and found answers. > > -Chris > K1AY > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft > wrote: >> Hello all, >> Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M WSPR beacon overnight.I should be getting 1mw out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 mw.Today I will run the power cal maybe that will help to get a little morepower out. >> The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - upper side band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP into a 60 ft top loaded vertical.Check out the WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM >> There are a few photo and a little info on qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone >> 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM From nf4l at comcast.net Sun Feb 22 15:22:21 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Message-ID: I'm trying to help a friend get his new K3/0 mini and RR box connected. He's using Win8 and Xfinity. The RR box isn't talking to the Xfinity modem/router. The LED on the RR box is solid green, the LED on the modem is blinking amber. Looking in the modem settings, the RR box doesn't show up in the list of connected devices. When I try to get to the settings page in the RR box, the connection times out. 73, Mike NF4L From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Feb 22 15:36:44 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:36:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for an ASCII Elmer In-Reply-To: References: <65DE9546-4912-4154-A23B-BC6C4F861498@me.com> <2DDF6701-628D-4253-A9D9-B8A3B79EA213@mac.com> Message-ID: <585BF3EC-9AEC-4AE1-8451-90A71E1A4679@me.com> Excellent suggestions. For the K3, we have an even easier solution to start playing with rig commands and their effects. We use the Elecraft K3 Utility all the time for updating the K3, but clicking on the Command Tester / K3 Macros tab will give most of us an excellent platform for playing with the K3 commands. Just grab the K3 and KX3 Programmer?s Reference, pick out some commands to test, type them in using the appropriate information and see the results both on the radio and in the serial response. Of course this same solution applies to the KPA500, KAT500 and the other remotely controllable devices from Elecraft. Sometimes we first think of a way-cool engineering solution that we can create (I?m certainly guilty), then we realize the simple one that provides a better answer. Learning to program and control our rigs in Python, Swift, Objective-C or some other programming language is a great experience and worth doing. It just may not be the most expedient for some things. Now if someone wants to do just that - learn how to programmatically control the radio, Walt?s Phil?s or my suggestions are an excellent starting point. There are more, I?m sure, with lots of help around to get you going rather quickly. 73! Jack B, W6FB > On Feb 22, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > Sorry to be negative, everyone. I need to take my own advice and be helpful. > > I recommend starting with the rigcontrol package, written in Python. It is OK if you don?t know Python. This code is very straightforward, so you don?t need use any fancy Python features. > > It comes with a number of command line scripts that use the package. For example, here is main part of the ?qrg? script, which reports the current frequency. > > if len(sys.argv) == 1: > rig = riglib.K3() > print(rig.qsyq()) > rig.close() > else: > print "usage: qrg" > > I have some some unfinished additions to the library to add KX3 support and build an SWR sweeper (poor man?s antenna analyzer). It works most of the time, but the SWR can only be read off the display, so it occasionally reports ?bypass? as the SWR, because the ATU needs to be in bypass mode to measure the SWR. > > I sure wish there were commands to read the SWR directly from the KX3. > > rigcontrol is here: > > https://pypi.python.org/pypi/rigcontrol > > You will also need the K3 programming reference. When I was working on the code, I had the reference open in Adobe Reader all the time, because I kept searching it for details. On top of that, I printed out key pages. > > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3&KX3%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20E11.pdf > > Since my code doesn?t entirely work, I?m not sure how much help I can be, but I?ll give it a shot. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:23 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > >> I am pretty sure that the question about ASCII programming was about the ASCII protocol to Elecraft rigs. That truly is ASCII, complete with control characters. >> >> And yes, I know about Unicode and UTF-8. I was doing multibyte character set programming before Unicode. >> >> I?ve done some Elecraft control programming and it isn?t easy. Yeah, you can fart out ASCII, but the radio takes time to respond, and some of the codes read the display rather than the data, so it is a highly stateful, ugly experience. >> >> Instead of explaining how smart you are about UTF-8, be an Elmer. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ >> >> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> >>> ASCII... >>> >>> Well, the UTF-8 character set is indeed designed to be backward compatible with ASCII but it is far more than that -- and even these days many programmers do have trouble with UTF-8. Why? Because UTF-8 is a multi-byte, variable length character encoding system. Sure, the backward compatible ASCII codes are single byte but you can literally encode any character defined by UNICODE via UTF-8. Chinese characters defined in UNICODE take more than a single byte to define so they require the multi-byte features of UTF.8. >>> >>> Now, I do agree that the programming for radio control is not likely to run into multi-byte characters but UTF-8 will include them if they are found elsewhere -- say a text file that has mixed English as other multi-byte characters. >>> >>> I agree with the need to download Xcode and learn Objective-C but the new Swift language might be easier for someone who is just starting out to learn. I am not sure which would be easier to learn, Objective-C or Swift but I think Swift, being more modern and also supporting scripting is easier. >>> >>> 73, phil, K7PEH >>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>>> >>>> ASCII? That is a character set that is a subset of Unicode, which is now used on all modern computers. It isn?t something you program with, it simply represents characters. On the Mac we do not use ASCII coded characters, but rather Unicode characters, usually coded in UTF-8. >>>> >>>> What is it that you are really trying to do? If that is to program the Mac, I highly recommend a tutorial on Objective-C and Cocoa, along with Aaron Hillegas? excellent Mac programming tutorial ?Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X? which is now in its fourth edition. I see that Aaron also has a book on Objective-C programming, which might be a good place to start. Both are produced by Big Nerd Ranch over in Atlanta, and are available from Barnes and Noble, amazon and other booksellers. Yu might also want to take a good look at programming the Mac in Swift. There are several good books available at the iBooks store, some free, others cost a bit. You might find Swift a bit easier than Cocoa to learn and get up to speed. >>>> >>>> You can get the Mac tools directly from Apple for free at http://developer.apple.com. In particular, the Xcode development environment is what you want. It allows development in many languages for the Mac and iOS devices. For UI development, you will need to use either Objective-C or Swift >>>> >>>> Good luck on you new journey. Programming the Mac is a fun and very enjoyable exercise, with lots to learn no matter how good you become at it. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jack B, W6FB >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sometime soon I mean to program my K3's Pig Knob to do what I'd like, rather than the factory defaults. If someone who is adept with using ASCII on the K3 is willing to help, I would appreciate meeting you off-list. >>>>> >>>>> Requirements - the patience to put up with someone (me) who knows niente about computer programming, ASCII, computer rig control, and any other topic that might be germane. Time frame would be any time in March that suits both our calendars; probably by e-mail. In case it matters, I use Mac OS X (10.10). >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance to whomever cares to take this project on . . . . >>>>> >>>>> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From elecraft.poltergiest at xoxy.net Sun Feb 22 15:54:32 2015 From: elecraft.poltergiest at xoxy.net (elecraft.poltergiest at xoxy.net) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:54:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] new KX3 not powering on, no lights, nada! Message-ID: Finally took the plunge and ordered a KX3 with all the fixings. I live in Belize and my Mom was coming to visit so she brought it down. I put enloop batteries in it and it worked fine for a few days, then once they got weak enough I set the internal charger up to charge them. The next morning (this past Saturday) I was going to try a new antenna I built on the end of the dock, I went to power it up and nothing, no lights, I held the buttons for a 10 mississippi count, nothing then tried a 30 count, nothing. Thought the batteries may not have charged or I knocked the ribbon cable loose. I put them in my external charger and it ran 5 minutes before it measured ?Full?. I reseated the ribbon cable and still nothing. So I used the elecraft supplied power cable, connected it to my rigrunner that is powered from by my samlex power supply, still nothing. I am open to suggestions. I will call elecraft tomorrow if nothing pans out. Thanks From challinan at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 16:01:04 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:01:04 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <54EA3A0F.1010205@socal.rr.com> References: <526532778.6655664.1424613414748.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EA3A0F.1010205@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Ah right. I did follow the thread after the announcement about the new KSYN3A, just didn't quite sink in. Alphabet soup still has me guessing sometimes ;) Thanks all! -Chris On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > You need the updated Synth board and the general coverage filter option in > your K3. > > Phil W7OX > > > On 2/22/15 11:45 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> >> OK, I'll ask the "stupid" question. What is a "syn pwa" and how do I >> get on 630M with K3? (Guessing the answers are related!) I'll skip >> asking what WSPR mean...I looked it up and found answers. >> >> -Chris >> K1AY >> >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> Installed the syn pwa yesterday and ran 630M WSPR beacon overnight.I >>> should be getting 1mw out of the K3 - however I,m only getting .8 mw.Today I >>> will run the power cal maybe that will help to get a little morepower out. >>> The K3 is preforming very nice on 630 meters.set your rx dial to 474.2 - >>> upper side band .On 630 meters I,m running 5 watts ERP into a 60 ft top >>> loaded vertical.Check out the WSPR map around 8:PM to10:PM >>> There are a few photo and a little info on qrz-dot-com.Thanks everyone >>> 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From w1ie at jetbroadband.com Sun Feb 22 17:04:17 2015 From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry Knowlton) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lost sub receiver in right headphone In-Reply-To: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> References: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> Message-ID: <001e01d04eeb$8120dcc0$83629640$@com> Hello, Does anyone have any suggestions on troubleshooting (config or Main or "buttons") menus for this problem. When I plug in the headphones, there is no audio from the sub receiver (sub has been selected), however, pulling the headphones jack out 1/8 of an inch I receive both Main and Sub in both sides of the headphones. When I remove (deselect sub) there still is no audio on the right ear. I loaded the new firmware, but I am not sure if I lost the "right" ear audio before or after the firmware update. I have reversed the firmware update and got the dual PB back. An email has gone out to Elecraft Support with essentially the same info. Best regards, Jerry ,W1IE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank P Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 2:40 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive On any band CW/DATA/AM receive normal both main and sub dead on SSB either sideband. Can watch the P3 and signals obviously still coming out of the IF but rx goes dead when MODE is tapped to USB . And I mean DEAD - not a whisper phones or speaker RF and AF gain wide open. NB/NR on or off no change. Saw that W4BQF has same issue - but could not find any responses. Hank K7HP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com From w1ie at jetbroadband.com Sun Feb 22 17:15:09 2015 From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry Knowlton) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lost Stereo effect with the sub receiver Message-ID: <001f01d04eed$05ab9150$1102b3f0$@com> Hello, Does anyone have any suggestions on troubleshooting (config or Main or "buttons") menus for this problem. When I plug in the headphones, there is no audio from the sub receiver (sub has been selected), however, pulling the headphones jack out 1/8 of an inch I receive both Main and Sub in both sides of the headphones. When I remove (deselect sub) there still is no audio on the right ear. I loaded the new firmware, but I am not sure if I lost the "right" ear audio before or after the firmware update. I have reversed the firmware update and got the dual PB back. An email has gone out to Elecraft Support with essentially the same info. Best regards, Jerry ,W1IE From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 22 17:30:47 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lost Stereo effect with the sub receiver In-Reply-To: <001f01d04eed$05ab9150$1102b3f0$@com> References: <001f01d04eed$05ab9150$1102b3f0$@com> Message-ID: <54EA5897.1000106@embarqmail.com> Jerry, The fact that you can pull the plug out a bit and have proper audio in both ears speaks to a problem with either the jack in the K3 or the plug on your headphones. Certainly that cannot be changed by firmware or the menus, it is simply a matter of something is failing to make proper contact. Are you using the rear 3.5mm jack or the Front Panel 1/4 inch jack? Are you using an adapter? Any of those could be at fault. It might be just a bit of dirt on the contacts in the jack, or a non-standard ring width on the plug. If using an adapter, then the adapter is also suspect. It certainly sounds like a mechanical problem or a plug/jack mismatch to me. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/22/2015 5:15 PM, Jerry Knowlton wrote: > Hello, > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions on troubleshooting (config or Main or > "buttons") menus for this problem. > > > > When I plug in the headphones, there is no audio from the sub receiver (sub > has been selected), however, pulling the headphones jack out 1/8 of an inch > I receive both Main and Sub in both sides of the headphones. When I remove > (deselect sub) there still is no audio on the right ear. I loaded the new > firmware, but I am not sure if I lost the "right" ear audio before or after > the firmware update. I have reversed the firmware update and got the dual PB > back. > > > > An email has gone out to Elecraft Support with essentially the same info. > > > > Best regards, > > > > From ejkkjh at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 18:37:13 2015 From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:37:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz Message-ID: After the install of the new KSYN3A synthesizer board, I tried WSPR on 474.2 KHz, using double size G5RV for receive. I am able to copy WG2XKA using WSPR, at 597 km. I did some web searching for antennas, only thing I found were 160 ft verticals, not an option for me. Anyone know of a wire antenna or something easier to put up? thanks and 73 Emory WM3M From dj0qn at gmx.net Sun Feb 22 18:51:18 2015 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?windows-1252?Q?Mitch_Wolfson_DJ=D8QN?=) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:51:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EA6B76.4020700@gmx.net> Mike, I tried sending you my RemoteRig Networking Checklist directly by e-mail to help you solve your problem, but your mail server rejects my mails. Please drop me a mail off the reflector from a different e-mail address and I can send it to you. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 On 22.02.2015 21:22, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I'm trying to help a friend get his new K3/0 mini and RR box connected. > > He's using Win8 and Xfinity. The RR box isn't talking to the Xfinity modem/router. The LED on the RR box is solid green, the LED on the modem is blinking amber. > > Looking in the modem settings, the RR box doesn't show up in the list of connected devices. When I try to get to the settings page in the RR box, the connection times out. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Feb 22 18:56:14 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:56:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig In-Reply-To: <54EA6B76.4020700@gmx.net> References: <54EA6B76.4020700@gmx.net> Message-ID: The remoterig user group is darn good to. You can find it off the remoterig web page. Mike va3mw On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN wrote: > Mike, I tried sending you my RemoteRig Networking Checklist directly by > e-mail to help you solve your problem, but your mail server rejects my > mails. > > Please drop me a mail off the reflector from a different e-mail address > and I can send it to you. > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN > > Mitch Wolfson > DJ?QN / K7DX > Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn > Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > Echolink: 3001 - IRLP: 5378 > > > On 22.02.2015 21:22, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> I'm trying to help a friend get his new K3/0 mini and RR box connected. >> >> He's using Win8 and Xfinity. The RR box isn't talking to the Xfinity >> modem/router. The LED on the RR box is solid green, the LED on the modem is >> blinking amber. >> >> Looking in the modem settings, the RR box doesn't show up in the list of >> connected devices. When I try to get to the settings page in the RR box, >> the connection times out. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Feb 22 19:06:32 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> References: <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> Message-ID: <899390204.2202836.1424649992582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I am using FW 5.10. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? "Joe Subich, W4TV" ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?02?22? (??) 11:33 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 Did you load one of the recent beta firmware releases?? Starting with 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a change that required redoing the TX power calibration. 73, ? ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Hello Elecrafters, > I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W.? I did a RF power output re-calibration and everything is ok now. > I don't know why this happens?? I did not do any changes in configuration before. > Any ideas? > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Feb 22 19:18:04 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:18:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EA71BC.8040204@foothill.net> The sort of classic 600 meter antenna is the Marconi-T. It does require ground radials. You can also use an Inv-L if you don't have room for the "T". Either will have a very low radiation resistance at 630 meters for the heights average hams can get, and you'll need a series capacitor to tune out the reactance if you are going to transmit. A better choice might be a magnetic loop, possibly with a preamp. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/22/2015 3:37 PM, ejkkjh at gmail.com wrote: > After the install of the new KSYN3A synthesizer board, I tried WSPR on 474.2 KHz, using double size G5RV for receive. > I am able to copy WG2XKA using WSPR, at 597 km. > I did some web searching for antennas, only thing I found were 160 ft verticals, not an option for me. > Anyone know of a wire antenna or something easier to put up? thanks and 73 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Feb 22 19:21:18 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:21:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <899390204.2202836.1424649992582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54E9F6B3.30808@subich.com> <899390204.2202836.1424649992582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EA727E.9020601@socal.rr.com> Then run the Power Calibration procedure using the K3 utility, Johnny. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 4:06 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Yes, I am using FW 5.10. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > ???? "Joe Subich, W4TV" > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2015?02?22? (??) 11:33 PM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 > > > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware releases? Starting with > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a change that required > redoing the TX power calibration. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello Elecrafters, >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W. I did a RF power output re-calibration and everything is ok now. >> I don't know why this happens? I did not do any changes in configuration before. >> Any ideas? >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Feb 22 19:29:32 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 In-Reply-To: <54EA727E.9020601@socal.rr.com> References: <54EA727E.9020601@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <344704396.2206287.1424651372701.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I did and everything ok now. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Phil Wheeler ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2015?02?23? (??) 8:21 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 Then run the Power Calibration procedure using the K3 utility, Johnny. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/22/15 4:06 PM, Johnny Siu wrote: > Yes, I am using FW 5.10. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC >? ? ? ? ???? "Joe Subich, W4TV" >? ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net >? ????? 2015?02?22? (??) 11:33 PM >? ??? Re: [Elecraft] Power output changed in K3 >? ? > > Did you load one of the recent beta firmware releases?? Starting with > 5.01 (I think) - certainly in 5.10 there was a change that required > redoing the TX power calibration. > > 73, > >? ? ... Joe, W4TV > > > > > On 2015-02-22 6:26 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: >> Hello Elecrafters, >> I recently discovered that only 20m can deliver 90W with all other bands deliver 40-50W.? I did a RF power output re-calibration and everything is ok now. >> I don't know why this happens?? I did not do any changes in configuration before. >> Any ideas? >> 73 >> Johnny VR2XMC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sun Feb 22 20:48:09 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <269724871.4077280.1424656090010.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Look at the PA0RDT Mini whip, There is a guy who sells kits for them on ebay. If you can get it up and in the clear they seem to work From: "ejkkjh at gmail.com" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:37 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz After the install of the new KSYN3A synthesizer board, I tried WSPR on 474.2 KHz, using double size G5RV for receive. I am able to copy WG2XKA using WSPR, at 597 km. I did some web searching for antennas, only thing I found were 160 ft verticals, not an option for me. Anyone know of a wire antenna or something easier to put up?? thanks and 73 Emory WM3M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From pfizenmayer at q.com Sun Feb 22 21:04:31 2015 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:04:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive In-Reply-To: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> References: <4F78AF22AFAB4CD9AA97E52A838D6CB7@HANKPC> Message-ID: FWIW - a simple restore of the current config fixed it - live and learn. 73 Hank K7HP -----Original Message----- From: Hank P Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:39 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive On any band CW/DATA/AM receive normal both main and sub dead on SSB either sideband. Can watch the P3 and signals obviously still coming out of the IF but rx goes dead when MODE is tapped to USB . And I mean DEAD - not a whisper phones or speaker RF and AF gain wide open. NB/NR on or off no change. Saw that W4BQF has same issue - but could not find any responses. Hank K7HP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From bemeier at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 22 22:01:32 2015 From: bemeier at bellsouth.net (Bruce Meier) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no SSB receive Message-ID: <000c01d04f15$0800ebd0$1802c370$@net> The NO SSB audio also happened to me on one of my K3s. All other modes were fine but and after a few minutes of experimenting I found out that I could get SSB RX but only by opening up the Width beyond the 2.7kHz first filter. As soon as the width was at or below 2.7 the audio was gone. I also checked to see if I could open up other modes - NO. The width setting would not go beyond my second filter which is set to kick in / out at 500 hz. So, I did a "RESTORE CONFIGURATION" from the one that I saved just after loading the new 5.1 firmware. That seems to have fixed it. Not sure why - but it is working. My other K3 is running the same 5.1 firmware and has not had the problem. Something must have changed, but to my knowledge, I did not do anything. 73, Bruce - N1LN From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 22:20:42 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just use my 160 or 80m inverted vee. At least for starting out, the limitation will more likely be atmospheric noise than antenna design. I?ve heard a half dozen stations on 474 Ken WA8JXM > On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:37 PM, ejkkjh at gmail.com wrote: > > After the install of the new KSYN3A synthesizer board, I tried WSPR on 474.2 KHz, using double size G5RV for receive. > I am able to copy WG2XKA using WSPR, at 597 km. > I did some web searching for antennas, only thing I found were 160 ft verticals, not an option for me. > Anyone know of a wire antenna or something easier to put up? thanks and 73 > Emory WM3M From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Feb 23 03:10:57 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 23:10:57 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz Message-ID: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> Emory, First off receiving a station at 597km (370mi) is not a bad distance on 474 KHz. Most propagation is ground wave which does not extend as far as HF. Best propagation is in winter and at night when a little sky wave is seen. Where have you searched for antenna info? Try this: http://www.500kc.com/ Most on 160m and 600m know that vertical antennas work best. Your double length G5RV probably is something like 30 or 40 feet high. That is equivalent to hanging a 10-foot long dipole 1-foot off the ground for 20m. Short horizontal antennas do not work well on 600m. True that a full size 1/4 wave is a little high (492-feet) so you are stuck with very short antennas which have very low impedance until you use a top hat and loading coil. Short antennas are capacitive so a big loading coil at the ground end connected to a ground rod is a common solution. Top hats also make the antenna appear longer. Inverted-L and Marconi-T are two typed of loaded vertical antennas. Typical antenna for non-directional beacons running 300-500 KHz are about 300-foot long and 60-foot above ground with a single vertical wire from the mid-point down the beacon transmitter sitting on ground. My inverted-L is only 43-foot high and 122-foot long on top. I have a large base coil at the ground end 10-inch diameter 11-inches long with 1/4 inch winding spacing. I tap the coil two turns above the ground end to feed coax to the shack. My antenna efficiency is less than 1% because of its size. For receiving there are magnetic loops, pendants (triangular loops), and beverage antennas (if you have some acreage). The farthest I have copied signals is Buffalo, NY which is over 4000 mi. But that is the exception. Normal day-to-day range is out to 300mi using ground wave. I can't really tell you much in a paragraph or two. You can join a 600m e-mail list at the above website if you are really interested in 600m. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:37:13 -0500 From: To: Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After the install of the new KSYN3A synthesizer board, I tried WSPR on 474.2 KHz, using double size G5RV for receive. I am able to copy WG2XKA using WSPR, at 597 km. I did some web searching for antennas, only thing I found were 160 ft verticals, not an option for me. Anyone know of a wire antenna or something easier to put up? thanks and 73 Emory WM3M 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From cyaffey at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 09:28:56 2015 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:28:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Estate sale over Message-ID: <185BE804-B6AA-4BC0-85A5-A434E0EEDF6F@gmail.com> Folks, The various Elecraft items from the estate sale have been sold. The widow of K8IDN tells me to thank you for your interest and help. I do as well. 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 23 10:18:33 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Low TX Output on Higher Bands In-Reply-To: <1415461371.26985.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1415461371.26985.YahooMailNeo@web122202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1712812513.4417082.1424704714002.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In the remote chance that someone else is tracking down a similar problem, I eventually tracked this issue down to a bad solder joint at R94 (in the transmit buffer circuitry).? Thanks to Don, W3FPR, for his?(now legendary) assistance!?73,Steve VE3SMA ? From: Steve Kavanagh To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: [K2] Low TX Output on Higher Bands As I proceed with checking the new-to-me (S/N 5133, bare-bones, no options) K2 out, I'm finding that the maximum transmit power output drops markedly as the frequency goes up.? If I set the power to maximum, I can get the following approximate powers (on CW): 80m: 15 W 40m: 15 W 30m: 15 W 20m: 7 W 17m: 4 W 15m: 4 W 12m: 1.5 W 10m: 1.5 W I've done a few rudimentary checks which I won't list in detail here for now. All transmit tests were done into a dummy load with a good SWR and power levels shown on the K2 LCD and an external meter agreed as well as might be expected. Do these symptoms sound familiar to any of you, or will I have to start a full troubleshooting process? It might be the same as observed by W6ICM ( http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-low-output-tt461601.html).? Are there any other theories? 73, Steve VE3SMA From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Feb 23 10:49:55 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:49:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error 6 when changing filters then xmitting In-Reply-To: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> References: <54E8FF05.2050200@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <54EB4C23.7010104@w0mu.com> I completed the TX calibration but the problem persists with a dummy load or antenna. I can see a huge power spike after changing the filters which is causing the amp to fault out. I noticed that the power output of the amp ramps up initially. Weird. Mike W0MU On 2/21/2015 2:56 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > This is easily repeatable on CW. > > I have the 2.8 in slot 4 and a 400 hz filter in slot 2. > > If I turn the bw down into the 400hz slot 2 position and Xmit. The amp > will fault out with an error 6. > > I noticed this in the RTTY contest too but never figured it out. > > I wonder if I should try a transmit recalibrate? I just upgraded the > FW on my K3, P3, KAT500 and KPA500 to the latest. > From fcady at ece.montana.edu Mon Feb 23 10:51:38 2015 From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:51:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. Anybody else hear this? Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X From sblogghe at rochester.rr.com Mon Feb 23 11:02:22 2015 From: sblogghe at rochester.rr.com (Sean Logghe) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:02:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode Message-ID: <004801d04f82$1bc4a7c0$534df740$@rochester.rr.com> Thanks everybody for the responses! That was all of the encouragement I needed. :) (He says as he puts away his still smoking credit card.) ;) Sorry I missed Wayne's note. It must have been lost in a flurry of Hot Topic postings! Perhaps Eric and Wane's posts should always be in bold? ;) Gotta go now and wait by the door for the UPS man! Regards, Sean Logghe KB2CKN From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 12:14:18 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:14:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <54EB5FEA.1060506@comcast.net> Fred, I had a similar problem from time to time. I discovered it was a station in Europe who had "stuff" on his signal that was all over the place. If I were within about 10-15 KHz of him I had the problem. I could see his sidebands on the spectrum display I was using. Other than that, my KX3 gave a performance on all the bands that was really impressive. As you noted, the bands were packed. 73, Barry K3NDM On 2/23/2015 10:51 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. > Anybody else hear this? > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > From nf4l at comcast.net Mon Feb 23 12:29:39 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:29:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Fixed Tune Mode In-Reply-To: <004801d04f82$1bc4a7c0$534df740$@rochester.rr.com> References: <004801d04f82$1bc4a7c0$534df740$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: Make it blink in the VFO B area..... 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Sean Logghe wrote: > > Thanks everybody for the responses! > > That was all of the encouragement I needed. :) > > (He says as he puts away his still smoking credit card.) ;) > > Sorry I missed Wayne's note. It must have been lost in a flurry of Hot Topic > postings! > > Perhaps Eric and Wane's posts should always be in bold? ;) > > > > Gotta go now and wait by the door for the UPS man! > > > > Regards, > > Sean Logghe > > KB2CKN > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Feb 23 13:01:13 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:01:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54EB6AE9.8030404@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,2/23/2015 12:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Most propagation is ground wave which does not extend as far as HF. > Best propagation is in winter and at night when a little sky wave is > seen. A clarification. The strength of ground wave propagation increases with decreasing frequency. The FCC Rules for the AM broadcast band include a family of graphs for ground wave in groups of a few channels to cover the band. Ground wave distances on the low end of the band are MUCH greater than on the high end. 73, Jim K9YC From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 13:02:37 2015 From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:02:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Issue Message-ID: <1424714557.67125.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi everyone... Last fall, I thought I had an AF Gain pot failure in my K3. The volume was very erratic. When I would close the AF Gain down, the K3 would go to full volume and then go back to its normal state. I checked this condition using the AF gain manually and by using Ham Radio Deluxe software. The audio would act up whether I was increasing or decreasing the AF Gain. I was ready to replace the AF Gain control but decided to reload the software, MCU 4.86 and DSP 2.83. That fixed my issue with the erratic volume control. Several weeks ago, I upgraded MCU to 5.01 to take advantage of the new QSK features. Still no problems. Last Friday, I powered the K3 up and it was set for LSB on 1.895, where I had left it. The Filter selected was the 2.7 and it's the only filter available from XFIL in LSB mode. However, the audio was pinched as though the 400 Hz CW filter was engaged. I pressed XFIL and all was normal. However, my AF Gain problem returned. So I reloaded the software and no fix. I am 99.9% sure it's not the AF gain pot. Any ideas from the group??? Larry, KN8N From ke8g at cox.net Mon Feb 23 13:27:04 2015 From: ke8g at cox.net (Jim - KE8G) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:27:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20150223132704.M7MM2.424754.imail@eastrmwml205> Hi Fred, I heard you a couple of times on 15 meters, guess I was following you around on S&P, and your xmit sounded good. I also did some running, ~30wpm, w QSK, and did not hearing any "popping" at all. 73 de Jim - KE8G ---- "Cady wrote: > Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. > Anybody else hear this? > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke8g at cox.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Feb 23 13:48:31 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:48:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <54EB75FF.8070200@foothill.net> Elecraft K??? I occasionally get some very mild artifacts in QSK [QRQ OFF] in my K3/KPA500 when there are messy signals in the neighborhood. With WF averaging off, the messy signals sure stand out. There seemed to be a number of unmodified FT1000's in EU. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/23/2015 7:51 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. > Anybody else hear this? From aldermant at windstream.net Mon Feb 23 13:50:00 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:50:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: QSK pops References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <001c01d04f99$871475c0$953d6140$@windstream.net> -----Original Message----- From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:41 PM To: 'Cady, Fred'; 'CWOPS' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] QSK pops Hi Fred, I also was in the ARRL DX over the weekend but I did not hear anything like you are describing. My K3 firmware is 5.09 and I have not upgraded as there seems to be some 'rumblings' about 5.10's firmware not being exactly stable. This is just a guess, but if you have 5.10 or higher (?) firmware, I would switch back to 5.09 and see if you observe the same 'nasty pops'.[*] I am assuming you were using your K3? 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:52 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. Anybody else hear this? Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From duklaet at broadpark.no Mon Feb 23 14:01:55 2015 From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:01:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> References: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> Message-ID: <77d0b0d017e58.54eb8733@broadpark.no> If you're using a KX3 (you didn't tell), this artifact is well known. Elecraft has actually tried to do something with it in the last beta F/W. The artifact seems to occure when there is a strong signal close by. Turning down the AF gain will help also. 73 de Hal/la4xx On 15-02-23 16:52, "Cady, Fred" wrote: > > Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. > Anybody else hear this? > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to duklaet at broadpark.no > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 23 14:12:15 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Wm Bush via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: FS: KX-1 Four Band In-Reply-To: <243894642.1722689.1424652850560.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <243894642.1722689.1424652850560.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1421787949.2049540.1424718735082.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Four-band KX1 serial no. 2268 for sale, with paddle, extra unbuilt paddle, antenna tuner, Excellent condition physically and electrically. Please reply off list, pics available. $420 shipped to CONUS. BillKD8JXJ From w0eb at cox.net Mon Feb 23 14:29:45 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:29:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Synthesizer boards Message-ID: Got my new KSYN3A boards in this morning. Installation took about 30 minutes and it was not necessary to remove anything but the old synthesizer boards and install the new ones. I'll echo the sentiments of not having to re-install those lockwashers on the back of the boards! Everything fired right up and it's a little too soon to tell for sure, but I had been having a lot of internally generated noise on 6 meter receive and that's gone now. Also gone are the Key Clicks that were plaguing me on 6 meters when the KPA500 was on. Contributing to the demise of the 6 meter clicks may also be the installation of a brand new Cushcraft 5 element Yagi in place of the 3 element one that had been on the tower, but I did test for clicks after I installed the beam and I could hear them using my KX3 as a receiver. They seemed to disappear when the amplifier was in standby. With the new syn boards, I can no longer hear any clicks on 6 with the amplifier running and the amp will run right up to 550-600 watts out without them showing up again. All in all, I'm extremely happy with the new synthesizers and I'm also able to hear several non-directional airport beacons from close by airports within 50 miles of my location using my 160/80/40 trapped dipole so having even limited VLF capability is a big plus here. I'll try it again late this evening after the D layer absorption dies down and see if I can hear some of the other beacons that are still active throughout the state. Anyone need a couple of "old style" synthesizer boards? They can be had real cheap - LOL. Jim - W0EB Memo to NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, ATF, KGB, MI5, and any other alphabet soup agencies that might be listening/reading/tracking my email content, I share this computer with an old lady, an ex-con, a priest, a used car salesman, a military veteran, a pacifist, a vegetarian, a hunter, a circus midget, a local politician, a doberman and a demented cat...so any data you collect from me will be meaningless, random and therefore useless...good luck. From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 14:42:39 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:42:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Synth boards Message-ID: <54EB82AF.4010600@gmail.com> With all the folks updating to the new synth boards, does Elecraft want the old ones as a donation for folks wanting to add the KRX3 withOUT updating their current synth card? Is Elecraft set up to accept them? Or would it screw up their book keeping (reselling donations)? It seems a waste otherwise and could help those with more limited budgets. 73, Rick wa6nhc (ordering a pair now and the SVGA card too; had to wait for my tax status hi) From s_schrack at outlook.com Mon Feb 23 14:48:02 2015 From: s_schrack at outlook.com (Stephen Schrack) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:48:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ICOM's new 7850 & 7851 Message-ID: Just wanted to put out a question to the group of experts out there. Is the new ICOM 7850/7851 something that will top the Sherwood charts or is this new Elite Class Transceiver just a rehash/refresh of the 7800 with updated components. Can it compete with the K3 and Flex 6700 transceiver numbers or is this radio just marketing hype by ICOM. 73 Steve N3MX From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Feb 23 14:52:54 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:52:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Synth boards In-Reply-To: <54EB82AF.4010600@gmail.com> References: <54EB82AF.4010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2572698F-5D12-4B3A-9814-884F77F85327@wunderwood.org> If people can figure out how to control it, that would make a nice VFO for home-brew projects. Or maybe someone could offer synthesizer upgrades for non-Elecraft transceivers. :-) wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > With all the folks updating to the new synth boards, does Elecraft want the old ones as a donation for folks wanting to add the KRX3 withOUT updating their current synth card? > > Is Elecraft set up to accept them? Or would it screw up their book keeping (reselling donations)? > > It seems a waste otherwise and could help those with more limited budgets. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > (ordering a pair now and the SVGA card too; had to wait for my tax status hi) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From no3m at no3m.net Mon Feb 23 14:56:55 2015 From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:56:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EB6AE9.8030404@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> <54EB6AE9.8030404@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54EB8607.20000@no3m.net> Not unlike the mystique of 160M propagation at times, 630M is much more complex than just reducing propagation paths to primarily ground wave. This winter, while rather anemic in respect to overall propagation, has presented some interesting communication opportunities. On at least two occasions, there have been viable openings between here (WPA) and Texas where JT9 QSOs were successfully completed at mid-day running less than 10W ERP on both sides. The suspected path is via D-layer due to less absorption than normal, though, absorption probably still being high. The QSOs are documented here: http://njdtechnologies.net/a-midday-surprise-jt9-wg2xjm-wg2xiq/ http://njdtechnologies.net/the-daytime-surprises-on-630-meters-continue/ Some basic discussion on MF propagation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_frequency#Propagation and if you really want some thought provoking reading on 630M propagation (incl. effects of moon phase, equinoxes, etc.), go to the 600M mailing list archives: http://w7ekb.com/pipermail/600mrg_w7ekb.com/ and search for posts by "James Hollander" (W5EST), who has been exploring and discussing various propagation phenomena based on the experimental activity on the band. Some examples ("Quartile Method of Characterizing 630m Propagation Paths"): http://w7ekb.com/pipermail/600mrg_w7ekb.com/2015-February/007945.html http://w7ekb.com/pipermail/600mrg_w7ekb.com/2015-February/007946.html http://w7ekb.com/pipermail/600mrg_w7ekb.com/2015-February/007947.html http://w7ekb.com/pipermail/600mrg_w7ekb.com/2015-February/007948.html On another note, Larry, W7IUV, is performing comparative testing of various probe (PA0RDT, W1VD) and eventually Flag/Loop style RX antennas against a 600ft BOG as the standard. Information can be followed by going to the above 600M mailing list archive as well. 73 Eric NO3M / WG2XJM (630M Part-5 op) On 02/23/2015 01:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,2/23/2015 12:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> Most propagation is ground wave which does not extend as far as HF. >> Best propagation is in winter and at night when a little sky wave is >> seen. > > A clarification. The strength of ground wave propagation increases > with decreasing frequency. The FCC Rules for the AM broadcast band > include a family of graphs for ground wave in groups of a few channels > to cover the band. Ground wave distances on the low end of the band > are MUCH greater than on the high end. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ From jbollit at outlook.com Mon Feb 23 15:04:06 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:04:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ICOM's new 7850 & 7851 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, Depends on what you are looking for. The Sherwood site , essentially, sorts on *ONE* column of data. Bob has pointed this out many times. Depending on what "column" meets your needs, will determine what radio you MAY want to further do research on. Myself, I choose Bob's sort MANY years ago with the Drake C-line set of roofing filters. What "appears" to be the latest rage, was in fact, pointed out over 35 years ago. The modified Drake R4-C still ranks in the upper tiers of receivers for close in signal performance, however, that would not be my choice of receivers now. I currently have the C line on the other desk and use it occasionally. My main, go to rig, is the K3 for the same reason I went with Sherwood in the 70's, which is, nearby signal performance. I would NOT choose the K3 for receive audio, but all weighted factors taken into account, I went with the K3. Now the K3 with the Timewave 599ZX in the audio chain is killer, YMMV. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Schrack Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 11:48 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] ICOM's new 7850 & 7851 Just wanted to put out a question to the group of experts out there. Is the new ICOM 7850/7851 something that will top the Sherwood charts or is this new Elite Class Transceiver just a rehash/refresh of the 7800 with updated components. Can it compete with the K3 and Flex 6700 transceiver numbers or is this radio just marketing hype by ICOM. 73 Steve N3MX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 23 15:04:05 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (VE3GNO Daniel via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Old Synth boards In-Reply-To: <54EB82AF.4010600@gmail.com> References: <54EB82AF.4010600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1044848268.8387758.1424721845430.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?I decided to donate mine, so as soon as I got it gonna fly back to Elec,?they have in stock?a limited number of old synt boards and who knows who's gonna need in the future...so I encourage everyone to donate back keeping in mind sometime someone will need it Tnx vy 73 de VE3GNO Daniel From: "Rick WA6NHC HappyMoosePhoto at gmail.com [Elecraft_K3]" To: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; elecraft list Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:42 PM Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Old Synth boards ? With all the folks updating to the new synth boards, does Elecraft want the old ones as a donation for folks wanting to add the KRX3 withOUT updating their current synth card? Is Elecraft set up to accept them? Or would it screw up their book keeping (reselling donations)? It seems a waste otherwise and could help those with more limited budgets. 73, Rick wa6nhc (ordering a pair now and the SVGA card too; had to wait for my tax status hi) __._,_.___ Posted by: Rick WA6NHC | Reply via web post | ? | Reply to sender | ? | Reply to group | ? | Start a New Topic | ? | Messages in this topic (1) | Visit Your Group - New Members 8 ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? 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#yiv6709770337ygrp-sponsor #yiv6709770337ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv6709770337 #yiv6709770337ygrp-sponsor #yiv6709770337ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv6709770337 #yiv6709770337ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv6709770337 #yiv6709770337ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv6709770337 #yiv6709770337ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv6709770337 #yiv6709770337ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv6709770337 From ve7xf at dccnet.com Mon Feb 23 15:08:33 2015 From: ve7xf at dccnet.com (Ralph Parker) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:08:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com> >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during >> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B >> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. Why not just have the DVR say "UP, UP" whenever you transmit in split mode. Save wear and tear on the KC Kops. VE7XF From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Feb 23 15:10:34 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:10:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Issue In-Reply-To: <1424714557.67125.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424714557.67125.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EB893A.9070500@socal.rr.com> Try 5.10 beta firmware? Phil W7OX On 2/23/15 10:02 AM, Larry Boekeloo wrote: > Hi everyone... > > Last fall, I thought I had an AF Gain pot failure in my K3. The volume was very erratic. When I would close the AF Gain down, the K3 would go to full volume and then go back to its normal state. I checked this condition using the AF gain manually and by using Ham Radio Deluxe software. The audio would act up whether I was increasing or decreasing the AF Gain. > > > I was ready to replace the AF Gain control but decided to reload the software, MCU 4.86 and DSP 2.83. That fixed my issue with the erratic volume control. > > > Several weeks ago, I upgraded MCU to 5.01 to take advantage of the new QSK features. Still no problems. > > Last Friday, I powered the K3 up and it was set for LSB on 1.895, where I had left it. The Filter selected was the 2.7 and it's the only filter available from XFIL in LSB mode. However, the audio was pinched as though the 400 Hz CW filter was engaged. I pressed XFIL and all was normal. However, my AF Gain problem returned. So I reloaded the software and no fix. I am 99.9% sure it's not the AF gain pot. > > > Any ideas from the group??? > > Larry, KN8N From s_schrack at outlook.com Mon Feb 23 14:32:33 2015 From: s_schrack at outlook.com (Stephen Schrack) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:32:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?windows-1256?q?ICOM=27s_new_7850_and_7851=FE?= Message-ID: Just wanted to put out a question to the group of experts out there. Is the new ICOM 7850/7851 something that will top the Sherwood charts or is this new Elite Class Transceiver just a rehash/refresh of the 7800 with updated components. Can it compete with the K3 and Flex 6700 transceiver numbers or is this radio just marketing hype by ICOM. 73 Steve N3MX From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Mon Feb 23 16:29:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com> Message-ID: <2099318156.4705549.1424726974129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The real fix is to just pay attention, and read the screen. I spent years in IT where if people just seemed unable to simply read the screen. It's the same here with the split, people just need to pay attention to what they're doing. From: Ralph Parker To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" during >> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the VFO B >> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. Why not just have the DVR say "UP, UP" whenever you transmit in split mode. Save wear and tear on the KC Kops. VE7XF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From dmb at lightstream.net Mon Feb 23 16:44:55 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] New KSYN3A CW timing Message-ID: <54678.71.74.118.201.1424727895.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> About two hours ago, I completed the upgrade to the new KSYN3A boards. The upgrade process took about 30 minutes to complete, as others have reported. The mention of improved CW timing with the new KSYN3A board was my primary reason for upgrading, and to my ear, the CW timing now sounds *perfect* all the way up to 50 WPM -- with QRQ OFF. With the CW WGHT setting at 1.05 I checked the timing with an oscilloscope as well, and even at 50 WPM the dit times are equal to the space times as best as I can determine. I see no reason at all to use QRQ any more. Many thanks to Elecraft for this outstanding CW performance upgrade! 73, Dale WA8SRA From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Feb 23 17:09:57 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:09:57 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz Message-ID: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> Jim and all: Quite true. My poorly constructed sentence lead to a wrong conclusion about what I was trying to say. I was trying to say: "to not expect HF world wide skip results on 600m, because ground-wave is the predominant propagation mode (there is some sky wave at night time which is usually best in winter due to lowest atmospheric noise; summer in most regions is accompanied by lots of lightning noise being propagated). On a 70-mile path we made a 3-4 month summer "noon-time" series of tests and my 3w ERP signal was receive consistently at +35 or higher SNR (via ground wave). In fact over that path it appears there is always ground-wave prop. on 600m. Lack of a receiving station at further distance precluded finding the max range. Noise floor varied from -115 to -100 dBm with Inverted-L antenna to SDR-IQ. Here in south-central AK there is a notable lack of lightning noise in summer (which helps). I hear NDB (non-directional beacons) out to 1000 miles in the evening quite regularly. The NDB typically run 25-100w to Marconi-T antennas. My 600m amp is a converted NDB driven by my K3 in TEST mode. 73, Ed - KL7UW saving money to obtain the new SYN boards so I can run down to 472. ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:01:13 -0800 From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz Message-ID: <54EB6AE9.8030404 at audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On Mon,2/23/2015 12:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Most propagation is ground wave which does not extend as far as HF. > Best propagation is in winter and at night when a little sky wave is > seen. A clarification. The strength of ground wave propagation increases with decreasing frequency. The FCC Rules for the AM broadcast band include a family of graphs for ground wave in groups of a few channels to cover the band. Ground wave distances on the low end of the band are MUCH greater than on the high end. 73, Jim K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From phils at riousa.com Mon Feb 23 17:12:54 2015 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:12:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Report (Feb 22, 2015) Message-ID: <49C82929-6F0E-42D9-A932-2AB77234BE18@riousa.com> Here is the net report for the Elecraft SSB net of Feb 22, 2015. I have gotten behind (again) on net reports. The net meets every week, but I don?t always get the reports out quickly. I?ll try to put out the future reports during the week after the net. The past reports may or may not see the light of day. We?ll see. I have the hand written copies, so let me know if you need any info from past nets. There were 47 participants, with reasonably good signals. In addition to the NCS, we used relays from CA, IL, CO and others. CALL NAME QTH RIG NOTES N6JW/m John CA KX3 515 QRP (bicycle mobile) AB7CE Roy MT K2 40 QRP W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 K4GCJ Gerry NC K3 1597 KC0XT David CA KX3 6890 KB9AVO Paul IN K3 7880 VE3XM Bob ON KX3 1153 N2HMM John NJ K3 5033 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 WW9S Dave IL K3 1697 K5RHD Randy NM K3 6642 N0MEU Jay CO KX3 4351 WW4JF John TN K3 6185 K1ND Jan MI KX3 2356 W7OX Phil CA K3 8004 KF5IMA Bruce MS K2 3575 AD5IJ Howard OR KX3 5178 QRP KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2263 QRP K1JOJ Bob VA KX3 WA5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 KL7UW Ed AK K3 4041 ZL1PWD Peter NZ K3 139 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 KC9LIF Kent IL K2 6896 QRP N6LEW Lew AZ K3 3805 QRP WA0BEW Keith CO KX3 7048 QRP W0SGM Scott IA KX3 3689 K9QJS Hoop WA K3 6884 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP NM7J Steve NV K3 2105 KX2A Jan PA K3 6105 W7NMD Palmer W0CZ Ken ND K3 457 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 KD5SPX Wayne TX KX3 7450 KG2U Tom NY K3 6247 AD0MX Frank KS K3 8548 K0VOZ Bob CO KX3 7473 KK9W Steve FL K3 8683 KA9KBD Vic IL KX3 4380 QRP KK5LD Dan TX KX3 3051 W5KSU Mike OK K2 3669 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Feb 23 18:08:38 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 15:08:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> Having worked coastal marine in Los Angeles for a year while I was finishing high school, I have some experience on the Holy Frequency and the maritime channels around it. I strongly suspect that it's still the same [only devoid of ships] today, physics doesn't change much over time. 1. Coastal marine stations are located on coasts and ships are afloat in the ocean [this shouldn't surprise anyone :-)]. Consequently, propagation was over salt water which for MF ground wave is an order of magnitude better than over land. At night, NMO [Honolulu] was strong in So Cal, a path of around 2,500 mi [~4,000 km] 2. Our MF TX ran 5 KW to a very large, almost full size dual Marconi-T. I believe NMO ran 7 KW to an equally large antenna. They never had problems hearing us. KPH, KFS, and NMC [SF Bay area, about 400 mi (~650 km])] were also very strong, a land path but along the coast. 3. NMC transmits NAVTEX on 518 KHz, or at least did a couple of years ago when I last listened. They're about 120 miles from me, and are very strong. 4. Ships ran a lot less power to more compromised antennas and 700-1,000 mi GW range was doing good. Some of the floating RO's told me they heard us a lot better than we heard them, even on our beverages. 5. I'd say that, if you get several hundred miles on 495-510 KHz at night limited to 20 watts ERP, you're doing very good. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/23/2015 2:09 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Jim and all: > > Quite true. My poorly constructed sentence lead to a wrong conclusion > about what I was trying to say. I was trying to say: "to not expect HF > world wide skip results on 600m, because ground-wave is the predominant > propagation mode (there is some sky wave at night time which is usually > best in winter due to lowest atmospheric noise; summer in most regions > is accompanied by lots of lightning noise being propagated). From k9fd at flex.com Mon Feb 23 19:11:17 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:11:17 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> Not quite true at all Fred, I copy east coast stations on a fairly regular basis, Eric is one that is a "regular", copy of various signals across the US is daily operation. West coast and Canadian signals are copyable here from before sunset until after sunset almost daily with audible signals, they are running a few watts ERP. My receive antenna so far is a 80 meter dipole fed with open line, shorted at the shack end, 40 ft high. So not a large antenna by ant means and not tuned to 600M. The band is far better than what most people expect, of course the better the antenna the better the results, but there are many on being heard that are running 160 meter antennas with large loading coils and its working quite well. By the way from here to the east coast is 5000 mi. 2500 to you guys in CA. and you guys are like shooting fish in a barrel. 2500 miles is nothing. Some hams in TX have made it to VK and ZL, east coast are crossing the Atlantic on good nites. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR > > 5. I'd say that, if you get several hundred miles on 495-510 KHz at > night limited to 20 watts ERP, you're doing very good. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Feb 23 19:39:45 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:39:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> Message-ID: <54EBC851.2010103@socal.rr.com> Merv, Do you use an ATU on your RX antenna? Phil W7OX On 2/23/15 4:11 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > Not quite true at all Fred, I copy east coast > stations on a fairly regular basis, > Eric is one that is a "regular", copy of > various signals across the US is > daily operation. West coast and Canadian > signals are copyable here > from before sunset until after sunset almost > daily with audible signals, they > are running a few watts ERP. > My receive antenna so far is a 80 meter dipole > fed with open line, shorted at > the shack end, 40 ft high. > So not a large antenna by ant means and not > tuned to 600M. > The band is far better than what most people > expect, of course the better the > antenna the better the results, but there are > many on being heard that are > running 160 meter antennas with large loading > coils and its working quite > well. > By the way from here to the east coast is 5000 > mi. 2500 to you guys in CA. > and you guys are like shooting fish in a > barrel. 2500 miles is nothing. > Some hams in TX have made it to VK and ZL, east > coast are crossing the > Atlantic on good nites. > 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR >> >> 5. I'd say that, if you get several hundred >> miles on 495-510 KHz at night limited to 20 >> watts ERP, you're doing very good. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party >> 3-4 Oct 2015 >> - www.cqp.org From k9fd at flex.com Mon Feb 23 19:50:50 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:50:50 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EBC851.2010103@socal.rr.com> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> <54EBC851.2010103@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EBCAEA.8020002@flex.com> No, no tuner used at all, with the feeders tied together its like a random wire and I feed it into the receiver. Have plenty of band noise so dont think a tuner would do much better, My location is very low in man made noise, no neighbors and the utilities are all underground. Merv > Merv, > > Do you use an ATU on your RX antenna? > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/23/15 4:11 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: >> Not quite true at all Fred, I copy east coast stations on a fairly >> regular basis, >> Eric is one that is a "regular", copy of various signals across the >> US is >> daily operation. West coast and Canadian signals are copyable here >> from before sunset until after sunset almost daily with audible >> signals, they >> are running a few watts ERP. >> My receive antenna so far is a 80 meter dipole fed with open line, >> shorted at >> the shack end, 40 ft high. >> So not a large antenna by ant means and not tuned to 600M. >> The band is far better than what most people expect, of course the >> better the >> antenna the better the results, but there are many on being heard >> that are >> running 160 meter antennas with large loading coils and its working >> quite >> well. >> By the way from here to the east coast is 5000 mi. 2500 to you guys >> in CA. >> and you guys are like shooting fish in a barrel. 2500 miles is nothing. >> Some hams in TX have made it to VK and ZL, east coast are crossing the >> Atlantic on good nites. >> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR >>> >>> 5. I'd say that, if you get several hundred miles on 495-510 KHz at >>> night limited to 20 watts ERP, you're doing very good. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 >>> - www.cqp.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Feb 23 20:05:17 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:05:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EBCAEA.8020002@flex.com> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> <54EBC851.2010103@socal.rr.com> <54EBCAEA.8020002@flex.com> Message-ID: <54EBCE4D.7000007@socal.rr.com> Thanks, then I'll give it a try on RX, since my K3 has that capability now. Alas I'm in a high noise area, so we shall see! 73, Phil W7OX On 2/23/15 4:50 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > No, no tuner used at all, with the feeders > tied together its like a random wire > and I feed it into the receiver. > Have plenty of band noise so dont think a tuner > would do much better, > My location is very low in man made noise, no > neighbors and the utilities are > all underground. > Merv >> Merv, >> >> Do you use an ATU on your RX antenna? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/23/15 4:11 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: >>> Not quite true at all Fred, I copy east coast >>> stations on a fairly regular basis, >>> Eric is one that is a "regular", copy of >>> various signals across the US is >>> daily operation. West coast and Canadian >>> signals are copyable here >>> from before sunset until after sunset almost >>> daily with audible signals, they >>> are running a few watts ERP. >>> My receive antenna so far is a 80 meter dipole >>> fed with open line, shorted at >>> the shack end, 40 ft high. >>> So not a large antenna by ant means and not >>> tuned to 600M. >>> The band is far better than what most people >>> expect, of course the better the >>> antenna the better the results, but there are >>> many on being heard that are >>> running 160 meter antennas with large loading >>> coils and its working quite >>> well. >>> By the way from here to the east coast is 5000 >>> mi. 2500 to you guys in CA. >>> and you guys are like shooting fish in a >>> barrel. 2500 miles is nothing. >>> Some hams in TX have made it to VK and ZL, >>> east coast are crossing the >>> Atlantic on good nites. >>> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR >>>> >>>> 5. I'd say that, if you get several hundred >>>> miles on 495-510 KHz at night limited to 20 >>>> watts ERP, you're doing very good. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Fred K6DGW >>>> - Northern California Contest Club >>>> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party >>>> 3-4 Oct 2015 >>>> - www.cqp.org From w0cz at i29.net Mon Feb 23 20:12:11 2015 From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:12:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards Message-ID: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> Hi to the group I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our cards locally and save the shipping costs. Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29.net Sent from my iPad From w0cz at i29.net Mon Feb 23 20:17:25 2015 From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:17:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Demodulated text on P3 Message-ID: <6AEF66F9-ABCB-485F-8CBE-EB7ACEAF011F@i29.net> Hi to the gang I am pleased with the way the new KSYN3AUPG card works. I still hope we can get a new feature for the P3. I would like it to show the demodulated data at the bottom of the screen the same way as the PX3. I would even buy the board for the monitor to get the P3 to do that but there is no place I could ever put a monitor so even if I had the board at this time I would not be able to see the demodulated data. I keep wishing for this feature. 73 for now Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29 dot net Sent from my iPad From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Feb 23 20:24:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:24:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> Message-ID: <54EBD2B1.60903@socal.rr.com> Thanks for that input, Ken. Not surprising! Phil W7OX On 2/23/15 5:12 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote: > Hi to the group > > I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our cards locally and save the shipping costs. > > Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29.net > > Sent from my iPad From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Feb 23 20:24:46 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:24:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <54EBD2B1.60903@socal.rr.com> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD2B1.60903@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EBD2DE.1060509@w0mu.com> I would need four of these......800 bucks.....ouch.... Mike W0MU On 2/23/2015 6:24 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Thanks for that input, Ken. Not surprising! > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/23/15 5:12 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote: >> Hi to the group >> >> I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to >> send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where >> to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can >> not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to >> junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our >> cards locally and save the shipping costs. >> >> Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29.net >> >> Sent from my iPad > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From wb4jfi at knology.net Mon Feb 23 20:29:42 2015 From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> Message-ID: <2AD330C4BF4E4145BCF0FE57EF13BC33@tfoxserver3> It might be worth repurposing for other projects. I'd be interested in getting a couple for experimenting with, maybe for shipping costs plus a few dollars to make it worthwhile. But, I LOVE to play with DDS-based stuff, so that's just me! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Christiansen Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:12 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards Hi to the group I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our cards locally and save the shipping costs. Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29.net Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 23 20:46:16 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:46:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> Message-ID: <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> I believe the Elecraft labor to test the old KSYN3 cards would likely exceed the value of the cards. Since they cannot be sold as new, you might want to advertize them on the Elecraft reflector in case someone wants the old cards - someone with a non-sub K3 who wants to add the subRX without upgrading the KSYN3 in the main RX. From the reports on the improvement obtained with the KSYN3A, I would think there would be only a few 'takers'. But who knows, it is worth a try. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/23/2015 8:12 PM, Kenneth Christiansen wrote: > Hi to the group > > I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our cards locally and save the shipping costs. > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Feb 23 21:02:07 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:02:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP Issue In-Reply-To: <1424714557.67125.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1424714557.67125.YahooMailNeo@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EBDB9F.3090008@embarqmail.com> Larry, If the problem appears in the HRD AF gain slider as well as from the front panel pot (actually encoder), then there is not a problem with the encoder itself. You apparently had some sort of glitch in the DSP code that controls the audio gain. "Pinched audio" could be the result of improper data in the Reference Oscillator calibration or incorrect filter selection. I suggest that you do the reference oscillator calibration before drawing any other conclusions. You might also want to check the per mode filter assignments using K3 Utility. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/23/2015 1:02 PM, Larry Boekeloo wrote: > Hi everyone... > > Last fall, I thought I had an AF Gain pot failure in my K3. The volume was very erratic. When I would close the AF Gain down, the K3 would go to full volume and then go back to its normal state. I checked this condition using the AF gain manually and by using Ham Radio Deluxe software. The audio would act up whether I was increasing or decreasing the AF Gain. > > > I was ready to replace the AF Gain control but decided to reload the software, MCU 4.86 and DSP 2.83. That fixed my issue with the erratic volume control. > > > Several weeks ago, I upgraded MCU to 5.01 to take advantage of the new QSK features. Still no problems. > > Last Friday, I powered the K3 up and it was set for LSB on 1.895, where I had left it. The Filter selected was the 2.7 and it's the only filter available from XFIL in LSB mode. However, the audio was pinched as though the 400 Hz CW filter was engaged. I pressed XFIL and all was normal. However, my AF Gain problem returned. So I reloaded the software and no fix. I am 99.9% sure it's not the AF gain pot. > > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 22:19:01 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?ICOM=27s_new_7850_and_7851=E2=80=8F?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I'm not going to buy one to find out. Want to know that answer will have to wait for Mr. Sherwood to do his check-it-out-the-right-way. Set an alarm clock to go off in 9 months and recheck his web site. 73, Guy. On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Stephen Schrack wrote: > Just wanted to put out a question to the group of experts out there. Is > the new ICOM 7850/7851 something that will top the Sherwood charts or is > this new Elite Class Transceiver just a rehash/refresh of the 7800 with > updated components. Can it compete with the K3 and Flex 6700 transceiver > numbers or is this radio just marketing hype by ICOM. > > 73 Steve N3MX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Feb 23 22:36:37 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:36:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> References: <201502232210.t1NM9vSR003419@huffman.acsalaska.net> <54EBB2F6.3060009@foothill.net> <54EBC1A5.50003@flex.com> Message-ID: <54EBF1C5.8020304@foothill.net> Hey Merv, just the messenger here, experiences I actually had from a long time ago. Keep in mind, our job was to handle paid traffic. Hearing them and actually making money getting/sending traffic were somewhat different endeavors. The only "emergency" I got to work was a ship who had lost power in the S. Pacific. No one sank ... no one even got wet. We had them QRK4-5, NMO was QRK 1 on the Holy Frequency, so I got to work the "rescue," by another company ship. The original Gibson Girls were 600 meters, balloon or kite antenna, copper braid and weight to toss into the salt water over the side of the rubber raft. When we got ours on our missions [all on mountains], they had added an 8 Mcs rockbound emergency frequency because 500 Kcs didn't work real well over land paths then. It still doesn't. Receivers have improved dramatically since the later 50's, we can hear things today that were not audible then. I'm not surprised things are working better now 600 meters propagates a lot better over salt water than land, fairly basic physics. That was the only point. And a possible apocryphal story: When the WW2 surplus began flooding the market in the US in the early 50's, the Gibson Girls already had the 8MHz frequency, 8280 if my memory serves me ... which it often doesn't. The story says it got changed to 8365 because people bought these things dirt cheap and did not know that when they cranked them, they transmitted. Just the historical messenger Merv. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/23/2015 4:11 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: > Not quite true at all Fred, I copy east coast stations on a fairly > regular basis, > Eric is one that is a "regular", copy of various signals across the US is > daily operation. West coast and Canadian signals are copyable here > from before sunset until after sunset almost daily with audible > signals, they > are running a few watts ERP. From bob at thelochers.net Mon Feb 23 23:22:57 2015 From: bob at thelochers.net (Bob Locher) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> The Sherwood ratings on receivers has just been updated to show the K3 with the new synthesizer. See: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Looking good - congratulations to Wayne and Eric! From drewko1 at verizon.net Mon Feb 23 23:47:07 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> Message-ID: Could put it in the vacant synth slot for a spare (if you have a single rcvr K3). 73, Drew AF2Z On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:12:11 -0600, you wrote: >Hi to the group > >I received my new KSYN3AUPG card and it works fine. I was going to send Elecraft my old card and sent them an E-Mail to find out where to send it. Howard from Elecraft sent me an E-Mail saying they can not send a used card out with a new order so they would just have to junk my card if I sent it in. That indicates we should all junk our cards locally and save the shipping costs. > >Ken W0CZ w0cz at i29.net > From Gary at ka1j.com Tue Feb 24 00:38:00 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 00:38:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: <2099318156.4705549.1424726974129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com>, <2099318156.4705549.1424726974129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> Harry, What you say is true, I can not disagree. I will say that absent-mindedness is the bane of humanity and nobody can remember all the right things to do, all of the time. No matter how hard we like to think of ourselves as doing the perfectly right thing, some incredibly competent person, somewhere, is making a mistake at this moment. Since transmitting on the Dx Tx frequency is one of the deadly sins, creating the extra step to make it not happen is a good thing. Just today I clicked on a RTTY spot I needed, tuned them in on the scope, set the VFO to where I wanted to transmit. All was good... I gave my call 4-5 times till some ass insulted me calling me a name, sending UP UP and then another ass-relative of theirs called me names. I thought I was in split with the marker in the P3 dead on where I wanted to transmit. All was set except I hadn't dedicated that A>B button to "split". If in my P3 screen I saw the word SPLIT in the waterfall, I would know I was in split. Just having a flashing LED or some 1/2" x 1/4" high below the power button saying SPLIT is just not enough for me to come close to being 100% on this. I suspect most of the honest answers you'd get here says people have made this mistake. I'm for an in your face option to make it clear when you are in split. Don't want it? Don't enable it. Want to be sure? enable it... Gary KA1J > The real fix is to just pay attention, and read the screen. > I spent years in IT where if people just seemed unable to simply read the screen. > It's the same here with the split, people just need to pay attention to what they're doing. > > > > > > From: Ralph Parker > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation > > >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" > during > >> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the > VFO B > >> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Why not just have the DVR say "UP, UP" whenever you transmit in split mode. > Save wear and tear on the KC Kops. > > VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Feb 24 01:01:28 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:01:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> Message-ID: Guys, Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the Sherwood page. That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, putting it in the top 17% Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. Just some further, pesky, facts......................... Rake P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of someone's comment that I never learn. Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Locher Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:23 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests The Sherwood ratings on receivers has just been updated to show the K3 with the new synthesizer. See: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Looking good - congratulations to Wayne and Eric! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From kk5f at earthlink.net Tue Feb 24 01:09:23 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 01:09:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz - OT MF Gibson Girls Message-ID: <9696515.1424758166903.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Some MF propagation variables are illustrated in the miliary manuals for those "Gibson Girls" (GG). Most were SCR-578/BC-778 units that were 500 kHz A2 only, about 2 watts plate input, connected to a 300-foot wire vertical suspended by kite or balloon and a ground strap dropped into salt-water sea...nominal range was around 300 miles. In fresh water the range was about **10 percent of that**. For land use a 300-foot counterpoise was required and expected range was **5 to 10 miles**. (Very late in WWII the T-74/CRT-3 GG became available, identical to the BC-778 with 8280 kHz A1 HF added. In early 1954 the T-74A/CRT-3A came out with that new 8364 kHz A1 HF output instead.) Unlike the post-war merchant-marine crank-operated lifeboat radios operating on those same frequencies, none of these units had receivers, although in late war some USAAF flights over the Arctic were supplied with a dry-cell battery-powered 200 to 400 kHz receiver AN/CRR-1. IMHO it is interesting to study the very serious use of these low-power marginal antenna emergency sets operating on MF from 75 years ago. The new 630m band is technically and *historically* fascinating. It's good to see equipment makers like Elecraft supply support for its use. Mike / KK5F (Kept a 500 kHz receiver near bedside for several decades!) Fred wrote: >When the WW2 surplus began flooding the market in the US in the early >50's, the Gibson Girls already had the 8MHz frequency, 8280 if my memory >serves me ... which it often doesn't. The story says it got changed to >8365 because people bought these things dirt cheap and did not know that >when they cranked them, they transmit. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 08:33:57 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <683486233.5070048.1424784837355.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I guess I see it as we should be able to just read the screen. Maybe it's because I learned to pay attention? to the details while in the Navy (doing push-ups because someone did not pay attention to the little details).? You struck on the real problem.... Far to many?rude people today? I've been fortunate over the years and I've had a some fellow Hams work with me on the air (when my signal was off etc).?That left me with the desire to pass along help and guidance when I could; in a nurturing not condescending manner.? Remember it's just a hobby? From: Gary Smith To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation Harry, What you say is true, I can not disagree. I will say that absent-mindedness is the bane of humanity and nobody can remember all the right things to do, all of the time. No matter how hard we like to think of ourselves as doing the perfectly right thing, some incredibly competent person, somewhere, is making a mistake at this moment. Since transmitting on the Dx Tx frequency is one of the deadly sins, creating the extra step to make it not happen is a good thing. Just today I clicked on a RTTY spot I needed, tuned them in on the scope, set the VFO to where I wanted to transmit. All was good... I gave my call 4-5 times till some ass insulted me calling me a name, sending UP UP and then another ass-relative of theirs called me names. I thought I was in split with the marker in the P3 dead on where I wanted to transmit. All was set except I hadn't dedicated that A>B button to "split".? If in my P3 screen I saw the word SPLIT in the waterfall, I would know I was in split. Just having a flashing LED or some 1/2" x 1/4" high below the power? button saying SPLIT is just not enough for me to come close to being 100% on this. I suspect most of the honest answers you'd get here says people have made this mistake. I'm for an in your face option to make it clear when you are in split. Don't want it? Don't enable it. Want to be sure? enable it... Gary KA1J > The real fix is to just pay attention, and read the screen. > I spent years in IT where if people just seemed unable to simply read the screen. > It's the same here with the split, people just need to pay attention to what they're doing. > > > > > >? ? ? From: Ralph Parker >? To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >? Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:08 PM >? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation >? ? > >> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" > during > >> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the > VFO B > >> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. > > Why not just have the DVR say "UP, UP" whenever you transmit in split mode. > Save wear and tear on the KC Kops. > > VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w1rm at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 09:00:24 2015 From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian W1RM) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:00:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? Message-ID: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> I'd like to hear from CW operators who have upgraded to the new synthesizer boards. Is there a material/noticeable change in the K3 performance? Do you think the upgrade was worth it? Pete, W1RM From lists at subich.com Tue Feb 24 09:04:44 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:04:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com>, <2099318156.4705549.1424726974129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <54EC84FC.9090103@subich.com> > I thought I was in split with the marker > in the P3 dead on where I wanted to > transmit. All was set except I hadn't > dedicated that A>B button to "split". Do you have problems seeing red? The P3 will show a RED cursor for the transmit frequency when the K3 is split (or if RTI/XIT is turned on). I don't understand why someone would want to lose a significant amount of data displayed in the waterfall when the red transmit cursor is so prominent. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-24 12:38 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > Harry, > > What you say is true, I can not disagree. > > I will say that absent-mindedness is the > bane of humanity and nobody can remember > all the right things to do, all of the > time. No matter how hard we like to think > of ourselves as doing the perfectly right > thing, some incredibly competent person, > somewhere, is making a mistake at this > moment. > > Since transmitting on the Dx Tx frequency > is one of the deadly sins, creating the > extra step to make it not happen is a good > thing. > > Just today I clicked on a RTTY spot I > needed, tuned them in on the scope, set > the VFO to where I wanted to transmit. All > was good... I gave my call 4-5 times till > some ass insulted me calling me a name, > sending UP UP and then another > ass-relative of theirs called me names. > > I thought I was in split with the marker > in the P3 dead on where I wanted to > transmit. All was set except I hadn't > dedicated that A>B button to "split". If > in my P3 screen I saw the word SPLIT in > the waterfall, I would know I was in > split. Just having a flashing LED or some > 1/2" x 1/4" high below the power button > saying SPLIT is just not enough for me to > come close to being 100% on this. > > I suspect most of the honest answers you'd > get here says people have made this > mistake. I'm for an in your face option to > make it clear when you are in split. Don't > want it? Don't enable it. Want to be sure? > enable it... > > Gary > KA1J > > > >> The real fix is to just pay attention, and read the screen. >> I spent years in IT where if people just seemed unable to simply read the screen. >> It's the same here with the split, people just need to pay attention to what they're doing. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ralph Parker >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split operation >> >>>> Or, we could replace the *entire* VFO A display with the word "SPLIT" >> during >>>> key-down. This would be even more obvious, and it wouldn't mess up the >> VFO B >>>> display. VFO B is what you care about during split TX. >> >> Why not just have the DVR say "UP, UP" whenever you transmit in split mode. >> Save wear and tear on the KC Kops. >> >> VE7XF >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >> > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wes at triconet.org Tue Feb 24 09:11:35 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> Message-ID: <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does not a radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. Wes N7WS On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: > Guys, > > Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . > > Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the Sherwood > page. > > That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has > tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. > > BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to even > get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, putting it in > the top 17% > > Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing mod, > listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* > 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. Yep, > FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. > > Just some further, pesky, facts......................... > > Rake > > P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of someone's > comment that I never learn. > > Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. > > > > > > From dmb at lightstream.net Tue Feb 24 09:30:49 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:30:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> References: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> Message-ID: <60865.71.74.118.201.1424788249.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hello Pete, It probably depends upon what aspects of CW operation are most important to you. IMHO, the upgrade was well worth it. I posted my comments about it yesterday with the subject line: "[K3] New KSYN3A CW timing" 73, Dale WA8SRA > I'd like to hear from CW operators who have upgraded to the new > synthesizer > boards. Is there a material/noticeable change in the K3 performance? Do > you > think the upgrade was worth it? > > > > > > Pete, W1RM From w0eb at cox.net Tue Feb 24 10:14:46 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:14:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pete and other interested parties, IMO, yes, it was worth it, but as previously stated by others, it depends on what your operating style/habits are. If you are a casual CW operator and don't really use QSK, you may never notice the changes as they are really subtle to most ears. Most noticeable to me, the switching transitions from RX to TX and back are much cleaner and enough faster that normal QSK without turning QSK mode on will allow you to hear smoothly between dots at 45-50 wpm. Also it's fast enough that the internal keyer's CW weighting sounds like it should rather than having to weight it heavier. I mainly use a bug these days, but the transitions are smooth enough that the harsh switching has been toned down to the point the sidetone sounds very nice and It is so smooth and fast that while I'm sending (at least up to 30 wpm - haven't tried it faster yet) it sounds like the RX never shuts off. With the old synthesizer(s) (I have both receivers) there was a very small hesitation between key down and key up before the RX came back to life. I do not notice that anymore though physically it has to still be there. The much faster switching time makes it more pleasant to someone like me who has used mostly CW and QSK for my whole 50+ years in ham radio. It's almost like having separate transmitters and receivers linked to the same VFO, using separate antennas and no receiver muting, only RF overload protection. (Only way I know to explain it). Your mileage will certainly vary. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Chamalian W1RM" To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" Sent: 2/24/2015 8:00:24 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? >I'd like to hear from CW operators who have upgraded to the new >synthesizer >boards. Is there a material/noticeable change in the K3 performance? Do >you >think the upgrade was worth it? > > > > > >Pete, W1RM > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From dl2ki at online.de Tue Feb 24 10:46:34 2015 From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:46:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitter Gain Calibration fails Message-ID: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, after updating the firmware to MCU version 5.10 the Transmitter Gain Calibration fails. The error message is: /Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.10.24 K3 MCU revision 05.10. RS-232 speed 4800 bps. Starting 5 watt calibration. GetTunePower: Unexpected response '?;' to ''. 5 watt calibration failed. Elapsed time: 6,0 secs/ The same with the 50W Calibration. Where is the problem? 73, Wolfgang DL2KI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Transmitter-Gain-Calibration-fails-tp7599231.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 10:44:59 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - 630 Meter WSPR Message-ID: <1523786981.9478268.1424792699443.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all,I ran the K3 overnight on 630M WSPR driving a homebrew 125 watt powerAmp into 60 ft vertical.My signal was decoded by 35 unique stations and 99 spots from Merv ( WH2XCR -? KH6 land) .This stations has been decoded all over the lower 48, Wasilla Alaska , Maunaloa,HI , Canadaand also a few spots from EU.The K3 is preforming very nice on this band with the new synthesizer board.Thanks again Elecraft for a unbeatable rig 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM From dl2ki at online.de Tue Feb 24 10:57:53 2015 From: dl2ki at online.de (dl2ki) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:57:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitter Gain Calibration fails In-Reply-To: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1424793473216-7599233.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello again, after restoring the backup-configuration the Transmitter Gain Calibration works now. 73, Wolfgang DL2KI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Transmitter-Gain-Calibration-fails-tp7599231p7599233.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wb5bkl at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:06:53 2015 From: wb5bkl at gmail.com (Cranz (Nick) Nichols) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:06:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54ECA19D.7070702@GMail.com> Yes. I use both the ANT1 and ANT2 connectors on my K3 with a 40M EDZepp connected via a balun to ANT2. I suspect a static discharge from that antenna. Last week, during the CWOPs mini-test @ 1900Z it knocked out the CWT feature until I re-booted the K3. I plan a simple test, once it gets a little dryer here. Other suggestions appreciated. cln - Nick WB5BKL Lake Buchanan, TX On 02/23/2015 03:18 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:51:38 -0700 > From: "Cady, Fred" > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops > Message-ID: > <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F at coeexch1.coe.montana.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when receiving. > Anybody else hear this? > Cheers and 73, > Fred KE7X > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Feb 24 11:10:57 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:10:57 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Paying Attention Message-ID: <201502241611.t1OGBLS6067579@huffman.acsalaska.net> Had a bit of that, yesterday, when I could not get the K3 to key in CW. Most times I have keying issues it's something to do with my use of inhibit (fairly complex) so I tend to look there, first. I checked that all the connections were good, checked the control logic levels in the control panel was defeating inhibit - good. The transverters were keying but no RF. Checked coax connection - look good. Then for some reason I started looking at the K3 display and finally "noticed" that VOX had gotten turned off. How? I haven't clue as I almost never touch the BAND button. Maybe happened when I was checking things during the LINK marathon discussion. Took me almost 45 minutes to find. I'm sure flashing "UP-UP-UP" would not have helped. Almost need a pre-flight check-list with the K3. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w1rm at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 11:13:28 2015 From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian W1RM) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009601d0504c$d369fea0$7a3dfbe0$@net> Thanks for the comment. I am a CW contester and DXer. I use QSK but with CW QRQ off. Of particular interest is the performance when you are the subject of a pileup as is often the case in a contest when you are running. Pete, W1RM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim's Desktop Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:15 AM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? Pete and other interested parties, IMO, yes, it was worth it, but as previously stated by others, it depends on what your operating style/habits are. If you are a casual CW operator and don't really use QSK, you may never notice the changes as they are really subtle to most ears. Most noticeable to me, the switching transitions from RX to TX and back are much cleaner and enough faster that normal QSK without turning QSK mode on will allow you to hear smoothly between dots at 45-50 wpm. Also it's fast enough that the internal keyer's CW weighting sounds like it should rather than having to weight it heavier. I mainly use a bug these days, but the transitions are smooth enough that the harsh switching has been toned down to the point the sidetone sounds very nice and It is so smooth and fast that while I'm sending (at least up to 30 wpm - haven't tried it faster yet) it sounds like the RX never shuts off. With the old synthesizer(s) (I have both receivers) there was a very small hesitation between key down and key up before the RX came back to life. I do not notice that anymore though physically it has to still be there. The much faster switching time makes it more pleasant to someone like me who has used mostly CW and QSK for my whole 50+ years in ham radio. It's almost like having separate transmitters and receivers linked to the same VFO, using separate antennas and no receiver muting, only RF overload protection. (Only way I know to explain it). Your mileage will certainly vary. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Chamalian W1RM" To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" Sent: 2/24/2015 8:00:24 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? >I'd like to hear from CW operators who have upgraded to the new >synthesizer >boards. Is there a material/noticeable change in the K3 performance? Do >you >think the upgrade was worth it? > > > > > >Pete, W1RM > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rm at comcast.net From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Feb 24 11:19:52 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:19:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> Message-ID: Wes, I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states that. Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud take all factors into account when choosing a radio. I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would also not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes (N7WS) Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does not a radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. Wes N7WS On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: > Guys, > > Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . > > Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the > Sherwood page. > > That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has > tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. > > BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to > even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, > putting it in the top 17% > > Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing > mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* > 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. > Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. > > Just some further, pesky, facts......................... > > Rake > > P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of > someone's comment that I never learn. > > Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k9ztv at socket.net Tue Feb 24 11:26:15 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:26:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> References: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> Message-ID: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> Considering the time and effort to make them happen, all Elecraft upgrades are worth it. Whether you want to own an "upgraded" radio or a "downgraded" radio is up to you. Kent K9ZTV On 2/24/2015 8:00 AM, someone wrote: > Do you think the upgrade was worth it? > > > > From k9fd at flex.com Tue Feb 24 11:50:24 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 06:50:24 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz - OT MF Gibson Girls In-Reply-To: <9696515.1424758166903.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9696515.1424758166903.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54ECABD0.2030303@flex.com> Go to http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map select MF band (600meters) put in my call WH2XCR and select past 12 hours. You will see first hand what propagation on 600M is like in todays world. Technology has made things a lot different, or leave the call sign field blank and see all the activity on 600M. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > Some MF propagation variables are illustrated in the miliary manuals for those "Gibson Girls" (GG). Most were SCR-578/BC-778 units that were 500 kHz A2 only, about 2 watts plate input, connected to a 300-foot wire vertical suspended by kite or balloon and a ground strap dropped into salt-water sea...nominal range was around 300 miles. In fresh water the range was about **10 percent of that**. For land use a 300-foot counterpoise was required and expected range was **5 to 10 miles**. > > (Very late in WWII the T-74/CRT-3 GG became available, identical to the BC-778 with 8280 kHz A1 HF added. In early 1954 the T-74A/CRT-3A came out with that new 8364 kHz A1 HF output instead.) > > Unlike the post-war merchant-marine crank-operated lifeboat radios operating on those same frequencies, none of these units had receivers, although in late war some USAAF flights over the Arctic were supplied with a dry-cell battery-powered 200 to 400 kHz receiver AN/CRR-1. > > IMHO it is interesting to study the very serious use of these low-power marginal antenna emergency sets operating on MF from 75 years ago. The new 630m band is technically and *historically* fascinating. It's good to see equipment makers like Elecraft supply support for its use. > > Mike / KK5F > (Kept a 500 kHz receiver near bedside for several decades!) > > Fred wrote: > >> When the WW2 surplus began flooding the market in the US in the early >> 50's, the Gibson Girls already had the 8MHz frequency, 8280 if my memory >> serves me ... which it often doesn't. The story says it got changed to >> 8365 because people bought these things dirt cheap and did not know that >> when they cranked them, they transmit. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From wes at triconet.org Tue Feb 24 11:54:44 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Paying Attention In-Reply-To: <201502241611.t1OGBLS6067579@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502241611.t1OGBLS6067579@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <54ECACD4.2030804@triconet.org> Could have been worse. When my K3 was brand new I thought to compare it to my Kenwood TS-870. The '870 had performed flawlessly for 12 years BTW. Since the '870 had an "antenna out" port for using a second RX I connected the K3 to that port so as to share the antenna. All was fine until I tried to change bands. I guess I held the "band" button too long and activated the VOX. The next noise in the shack tripped VOX and my '870 suffered its first failure. Fortunately, the protective bulb blew and saved the circuitry but it was a PITA to change. Wes N7WS On 2/24/2015 9:10 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > [snip] > Then for some reason I started looking at the K3 display and finally "noticed" > that VOX had gotten turned off. How? I haven't clue as I almost never touch > the BAND button. Maybe happened when I was checking things during the LINK > marathon discussion. > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 12:19:18 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops In-Reply-To: <54ECA19D.7070702@GMail.com> References: <54ECA19D.7070702@GMail.com> Message-ID: Static pops to the K3 can do things like induce a change to an unfortunate bit or two in active memory, which later comes up as something that can't be fixed without rebooting the K3. It's a computer with some RF stuff hung off of it. Same things that make you need to do a CTL-ALT-DEL on your PC can screw with your K3 as well. I wouldn't recommend deliberately subjecting your K3 to shocks as a test, though. That's really tempting Murphy. 73, Guy On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Cranz (Nick) Nichols wrote: > Yes. > > I use both the ANT1 and ANT2 connectors on my K3 with a 40M EDZepp > connected via a balun to ANT2. I suspect a static discharge from that > antenna. > > Last week, during the CWOPs mini-test @ 1900Z it knocked out the CWT > feature until I re-booted the K3. I plan a simple test, once it gets a > little dryer here. > > Other suggestions appreciated. > > cln - Nick > WB5BKL > Lake Buchanan, TX > > > On 02/23/2015 03:18 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:51:38 -0700 >> From: "Cady, Fred" >> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: [Elecraft] QSK pops >> Message-ID: >> <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F045C5EC33F at coeexch1.coe. >> montana.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Was on 15 in the ARRL DX yesterday and 15 was wall-to-wall signals. >> Somewhat frequently I'd get a pretty nasty pop in the audio. Sometimes it >> would happen when transmitting (QSK, roughly 30 wpm) and sometimes when >> receiving. >> Anybody else hear this? >> Cheers and 73, >> Fred KE7X >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 12:28:34 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (george fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> References: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> Message-ID: <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> It is not worth the time and effort, forget the cost, to upgrade George, W6GF On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:42 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: Considering the time and effort to make them happen, all Elecraft upgrades are worth it. Whether you want to own an "upgraded" radio or a "downgraded" radio is up to you. Kent? K9ZTV On 2/24/2015 8:00 AM, someone wrote: > Do you think the upgrade was worth it? > >? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 12:27:42 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:27:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> Message-ID: <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Jim (et al), The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of years: - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a CODEC quantization problem - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the crystal filters With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are all virtually identical. Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle change. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > Wes, > > I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states that. > Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud take > all factors into account when choosing a radio. > > I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. > > Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would also > not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. > > I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. > > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes > (N7WS) > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. > > Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does not a > radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. > > Wes N7WS > > On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . >> >> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the >> Sherwood page. >> >> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has >> tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. >> >> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to >> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, >> putting it in the top 17% >> >> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing >> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* >> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. >> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. >> >> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... >> >> Rake >> >> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of >> someone's comment that I never learn. >> >> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n4ua.va at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 12:40:20 2015 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Jim (et al), > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of > years: > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, > eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > ?Approximately what serial number introduced this change? Thanks. 73, geo - n4ua? > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a > CODEC quantization problem > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF > cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the > crystal filters > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio > spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB > final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are > all virtually identical. > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with > new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved > from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this > typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add > perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an > associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, > which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field > Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle > change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > > > Wes, > > > > I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states > that. > > Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud > take > > all factors into account when choosing a radio. > > > > I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. > > > > Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would > also > > not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. > > > > I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. > > > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wes > > (N7WS) > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > > > I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. > > > > Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does not > a > > radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: > >> Guys, > >> > >> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at > >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . > >> > >> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the > >> Sherwood page. > >> > >> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has > >> tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. > >> > >> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to > >> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, > >> putting it in the top 17% > >> > >> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing > >> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* > >> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. > >> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. > >> > >> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... > >> > >> Rake > >> > >> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of > >> someone's comment that I never learn. > >> > >> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 12:48:12 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:48:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> Hi George, I just checked the web site and I see that we've been shipping K3s with the new DSP board since sometime in 2010. (Confirming that time flies.) You can upgrade the DSP board from rev. C to rev. D for $109 (K3DSPUPGD); this includes both the audio low-pass filter and a bit of an improvement in LF audio response. Or you can add just the audio filter section as a small daughter board for $39 (K3DSPLPF). The upgrade does improve the spectra as viewed on an audio spectrum analyzer, but many operators won't be able to hear the effects by ear. Those who can hear them have told us it was a major improvement. Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 9:40 AM, George Dubovsky wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Jim (et al), > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of years: > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > > ?Approximately what serial number introduced this change? Thanks. > > 73, > > geo - n4ua? > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a CODEC quantization problem > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the crystal filters > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are all virtually identical. > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > > > Wes, > > > > I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states that. > > Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud take > > all factors into account when choosing a radio. > > > > I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. > > > > Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would also > > not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. > > > > I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. > > > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes > > (N7WS) > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > > > I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. > > > > Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does not a > > radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: > >> Guys, > >> > >> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at > >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . > >> > >> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the > >> Sherwood page. > >> > >> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has > >> tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. > >> > >> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to > >> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, > >> putting it in the top 17% > >> > >> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing > >> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* > >> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. > >> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. > >> > >> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... > >> > >> Rake > >> > >> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of > >> someone's comment that I never learn. > >> > >> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 24 12:54:30 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:54:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51ECB63D-C471-452E-9086-53E50F8210BA@socal.rr.com> Only took me 20 min, George. Very noticeable improvement on CW contest last weekend. Phil - Sent from my iPad > On Feb 24, 2015, at 09:28, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > > It is not worth the time and effort, forget the cost, to upgrade > George, W6GF > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:42 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > > > Considering the time and effort to make them happen, all Elecraft > upgrades are worth it. > > Whether you want to own an "upgraded" radio or a "downgraded" radio is > up to you. > > Kent K9ZTV > > > >> On 2/24/2015 8:00 AM, someone wrote: >> Do you think the upgrade was worth it? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From dmb at lightstream.net Tue Feb 24 13:06:33 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:06:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50720.71.74.118.201.1424801193.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> George, So you've actually purchased, installed, and worked with the new synth card(s)? With what were you disappointed? Dale WA8SRA > It is not worth the time and effort, forget the cost, to upgrade > George, W6GF > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:42 AM, KENT TRIMBLE > wrote: > > > Considering the time and effort to make them happen, all Elecraft > upgrades are worth it. > > Whether you want to own an "upgraded" radio or a "downgraded" radio is > up to you. > > Kent?? K9ZTV > > > > On 2/24/2015 8:00 AM, someone wrote: >> Do you think the upgrade was worth it? >> >>?? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmb at lightstream.net From nf4l at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 13:09:38 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:09:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi Message-ID: I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. 73, Mike NF4L From tf3y at tf3y.net Tue Feb 24 13:25:55 2015 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: These are interesting stats. One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. some DXpeditions this might be an issue. Any comments on this? 73, Yngvi TF3Y http://www.tf3y.net On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi George, > > I just checked the web site and I see that we've been shipping K3s with > the new DSP board since sometime in 2010. (Confirming that time flies.) > > You can upgrade the DSP board from rev. C to rev. D for $109 (K3DSPUPGD); > this includes both the audio low-pass filter and a bit of an improvement in > LF audio response. Or you can add just the audio filter section as a small > daughter board for $39 (K3DSPLPF). > > The upgrade does improve the spectra as viewed on an audio spectrum > analyzer, but many operators won't be able to hear the effects by ear. > Those who can hear them have told us it was a major improvement. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 9:40 AM, George Dubovsky wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > Jim (et al), > > > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of > years: > > > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, > eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > > > > Approximately what serial number introduced this change? Thanks. > > > > 73, > > > > geo - n4ua > > > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate > a CODEC quantization problem > > > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower > AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the > crystal filters > > > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio > spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB > final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are > all virtually identical. > > > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 > (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly > improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this > typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add > perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an > associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, > which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field > Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle > change. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > > > > > Wes, > > > > > > I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states > that. > > > Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud > take > > > all factors into account when choosing a radio. > > > > > > I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. > > > > > > Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would > also > > > not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. > > > > > > I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > W6AIM > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wes > > > (N7WS) > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM > > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > > > > > I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. > > > > > > Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does > not a > > > radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. > > > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: > > >> Guys, > > >> > > >> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at > > >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . > > >> > > >> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the > > >> Sherwood page. > > >> > > >> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood has > > >> tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. > > >> > > >> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to > > >> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, > > >> putting it in the top 17% > > >> > > >> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing > > >> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* > > >> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. > > >> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. > > >> > > >> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... > > >> > > >> Rake > > >> > > >> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of > > >> someone's comment that I never learn. > > >> > > >> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tf3y at tf3y.net > -- http://www.tf3y.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Feb 24 13:28:41 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:28:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SYNTH Message-ID: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> Can someone point me to the new K3 synthesizer option on the order page on the web site? I can't find it. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From nf4l at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 13:33:54 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SYNTH In-Reply-To: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> References: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6BB67129-6704-49E1-B774-236B24D4370D@comcast.net> Fred http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Can someone point me to the new K3 synthesizer option on the order page on the web site? I can't find it. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From dmb at lightstream.net Tue Feb 24 13:34:50 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:34:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SYNTH In-Reply-To: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> References: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> Message-ID: <50985.71.74.118.201.1424802890.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Fred, Here it is: < http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > 73, Dale WA8SRA > Can someone point me to the new K3 synthesizer option on the order page > on the web site? I can't find it. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 > - www.cqp.org From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:46:10 2015 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (Brendan Minish) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1424803570.5135.40.camel@gmail.com> I was one of the people who could most definitely hear the DSP artefacts above 12Khz prior to the DSP low pass filter upgrade. The low pass filter upgrade completely resolved it for me, this along with the various other changes over the years now has the K3 sounding very good to my ears. Do make sure that the speakers and headphones you are using are reasonably efficient so that the K3 can drive them effectively without having to run the AF amp 'flat out' For speakers I use a couple of old Motorola 2way radio speakers (3 Ohm impedance I think). As a headset I generally use a beyerdynmic DT-109 with 50Ohm earpieces, this works wonderfully with the K3 but as I am a fairly soft talker I made up a small preamp for the mic element http://ei6iz.com/?p=28 On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 09:48 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: > ... > Or you can add just the audio filter section as a small daughter board > for $39 (K3DSPLPF). > > The upgrade does improve the spectra as viewed on an audio spectrum > analyzer, but many operators won't be able to hear the effects by ear. > Those who can hear them have told us it was a major improvement. > > Wayne > N6KR -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Feb 24 13:50:13 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:50:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Thanks. My Serial Number is 04841. I was told the LPF was "most likely" in my radio and I have not taken it apart to see if that is the case. DSP 1 and DSP 2 are at 02.83 MCU is at 04.86 As I stated in a mail I sent to the reflector, two days ago, I will be sending in my K3 on RMA to have you review and update where necessary. I will include a request to have Elecraft look at the audio spectra to make sure it is **clean**. Are the new Synth's needed for better audio performance? The **noise and hiss* is present with no signals present in the bandwidth of the 400 Hz crystal filter (or for that matter, any of the filters choosen). Look forward to seeing the results of the repair/update and will post my results. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:28 AM To: jim Cc: 'Wes (N7WS)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Jim (et al), The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of years: - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a CODEC quantization problem - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the crystal filters With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are all virtually identical. Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle change. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > Wes, > > I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states that. > Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud > take all factors into account when choosing a radio. > > I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. > > Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would > also not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. > > I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. > > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wes > (N7WS) > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. > > Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does > not a radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. > > Wes N7WS > > On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . >> >> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the >> Sherwood page. >> >> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood >> has tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. >> >> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to >> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, >> putting it in the top 17% >> >> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing >> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* >> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. >> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. >> >> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... >> >> Rake >> >> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of >> someone's comment that I never learn. >> >> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From d.palmer at btinternet.com Tue Feb 24 14:05:15 2015 From: d.palmer at btinternet.com (Don Palmer) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:05:15 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 OPT command Message-ID: <00d401d05064$d2bbf770$7833e650$@palmer@btinternet.com> Hi hope someone can help me I have just finishing building a K2 when I change OPT to Optimization I lose sound. I put it back to BATT and it all comes back, I understand that this command reduces the I.F. post-mixer amplifier current by about 40 mA and automatically forces the bargraph to use DOT mode if set for BAR. Any help would be grateful. Don G6CMV K2 Ser Num 6546 From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 14:03:17 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:03:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Jim, Yes, you have the new DSP boards. I'm sure customer support will check out your audio as requested. There will always be noise and hiss with no signal present and gain controls maximized, because the K3 has a lot of gain in the RX signal path, like any modern transceiver. But with AF gain, RF gain and preamp settings appropriately adjusted, even the noise from a very poor antenna will completely dominate any noise generated within the radio itself. If not, you have something set up incorrectly, or a hardware issue that CS will be able to identify. The new synths are not required just to produce clean audio. It should already be clean. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:50 AM, jim wrote: > Wayne, > > Thanks. > > My Serial Number is 04841. I was told the LPF was "most likely" in my > radio and I have not taken it apart to see if that is the case. > > DSP 1 and DSP 2 are at 02.83 > > MCU is at 04.86 > > As I stated in a mail I sent to the reflector, two days ago, I will be > sending in my K3 on RMA to have you review and update where necessary. I > will include a request to have Elecraft look at the audio spectra to make > sure it is **clean**. > > Are the new Synth's needed for better audio performance? The **noise and > hiss* is present with no signals present in the bandwidth of the 400 Hz > crystal filter (or for that matter, any of the filters choosen). > > Look forward to seeing the results of the repair/update and will post my > results. > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:28 AM > To: jim > Cc: 'Wes (N7WS)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > Jim (et al), > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of > years: > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, > eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a > CODEC quantization problem > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF > cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the > crystal filters > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio > spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB final > AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are all > virtually identical. > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with > new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved > from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this > typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add > perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an > associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, > which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field > Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle > change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > >> Wes, >> >> I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it states > that. >> Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud >> take all factors into account when choosing a radio. >> >> I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. >> >> Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I would >> also not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. >> >> I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. >> >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Wes >> (N7WS) >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. >> >> Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does >> not a radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at >>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . >>> >>> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the >>> Sherwood page. >>> >>> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood >>> has tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. >>> >>> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, to >>> even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, >>> putting it in the top 17% >>> >>> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing >>> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* >>> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. >>> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. >>> >>> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... >>> >>> Rake >>> >>> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of >>> someone's comment that I never learn. >>> >>> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > From alan at g3xaq.net Tue Feb 24 14:12:37 2015 From: alan at g3xaq.net (Alan Ibbetson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:12:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 53 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54ECCD25.1000806@g3xaq.net> Steve, So they did something to reduce CODEC artifacts. Not just AGC mods. Interesting. And the talk of lower AF cutoff selection is news to me: were you aware of it? Alan On 24/02/2015 19:05, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:27:42 -0800 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: jim > Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "'Wes \(N7WS\)'" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > Message-ID:<966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jim (et al), > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of years: > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and eliminate a CODEC quantization problem > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of the crystal filters > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). They are all virtually identical. > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was significantly improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended usage, which includes excellent power efficiency for portable applications (Field Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not notice such a subtle change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR -- Alan Ibbetson alan at g3xaq.net From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Feb 24 14:17:03 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:17:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <1424803570.5135.40.camel@gmail.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> <1424803570.5135.40.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have so much external **noise** in the shack with whirring fans on the K3 and spinning hard drives that speakers are not seriously used during operation of my K3 station. I am using the BOSE QC-15 noise canceling headphones, with the sensitivity switch set to **high** so the audio control on the K3 is rarely run past 12 noon (with a corresponding reduction in RF gain in an effort to hear weaker CW signals better). If I am not riding the RF gain, the audio is never past 10 o'clock. Yea, I hear something. It is present on my K3 and not on my friend's (NY6C) rig in an A/B comparison. I hand carried my K3 from California to Utah for the CW Sweepstakes contest last November and compared the two. His was quiet, I heard artifacts on mine, so I am hoping it is a problem with hardware/software and willing to have Elecraft look at it. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendan Minish Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:46 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests I was one of the people who could most definitely hear the DSP artefacts above 12Khz prior to the DSP low pass filter upgrade. The low pass filter upgrade completely resolved it for me, this along with the various other changes over the years now has the K3 sounding very good to my ears. Do make sure that the speakers and headphones you are using are reasonably efficient so that the K3 can drive them effectively without having to run the AF amp 'flat out' For speakers I use a couple of old Motorola 2way radio speakers (3 Ohm impedance I think). As a headset I generally use a beyerdynmic DT-109 with 50Ohm earpieces, this works wonderfully with the K3 but as I am a fairly soft talker I made up a small preamp for the mic element http://ei6iz.com/?p=28 On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 09:48 -0800, Wayne Burdick wrote: > ... > Or you can add just the audio filter section as a small daughter board > for $39 (K3DSPLPF). > > The upgrade does improve the spectra as viewed on an audio spectrum > analyzer, but many operators won't be able to hear the effects by ear. > Those who can hear them have told us it was a major improvement. > > Wayne > N6KR -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Feb 24 14:19:08 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:19:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Thanks again. I hear a significant amount of hiss with the AF gain control at zero. I am going to send it in and post the results upon return. Tnx Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:03 AM To: jim Cc: 'Wes (N7WS)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Jim, Yes, you have the new DSP boards. I'm sure customer support will check out your audio as requested. There will always be noise and hiss with no signal present and gain controls maximized, because the K3 has a lot of gain in the RX signal path, like any modern transceiver. But with AF gain, RF gain and preamp settings appropriately adjusted, even the noise from a very poor antenna will completely dominate any noise generated within the radio itself. If not, you have something set up incorrectly, or a hardware issue that CS will be able to identify. The new synths are not required just to produce clean audio. It should already be clean. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:50 AM, jim wrote: > Wayne, > > Thanks. > > My Serial Number is 04841. I was told the LPF was "most likely" in > my radio and I have not taken it apart to see if that is the case. > > DSP 1 and DSP 2 are at 02.83 > > MCU is at 04.86 > > As I stated in a mail I sent to the reflector, two days ago, I will be > sending in my K3 on RMA to have you review and update where necessary. > I will include a request to have Elecraft look at the audio spectra to > make sure it is **clean**. > > Are the new Synth's needed for better audio performance? The **noise > and > hiss* is present with no signals present in the bandwidth of the 400 > Hz crystal filter (or for that matter, any of the filters choosen). > > Look forward to seeing the results of the repair/update and will post > my results. > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:28 AM > To: jim > Cc: 'Wes (N7WS)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > Jim (et al), > > The K3's audio has improved due to three factors in the past couple of > years: > > - a low-noise, low-pass audio filter stage was added to the DSP board, > eliminating high-pitched CODEC artifacts > > - DSP firmware changes were made to correct AGC linearity and > eliminate a CODEC quantization problem > > - main MCU firmware was modified to allow the user to select the lower > AF cutoff in CW mode (100/200/300 Hz) by adjusting the lower edge of > the crystal filters > > With the above changes in place, we carefully measured the K3's audio > spectra and compared it to other radios with the same type of class-AB > final AF amplifier IC (most transceivers fall into this category). > They are all virtually identical. > > Rob, too, told us that the audio spectra he measured on a recent K3 > (with new synths and the latest DSP and MCU firmware) was > significantly improved from the K3 he measured several years ago. > > While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this > typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add > perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and > an associated heatsink). That is inconsistent with the K3's intended > usage, which includes excellent power efficiency for portable > applications (Field Day/DXpedition/travel). Also, most users would not > notice such a subtle change. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jim wrote: > >> Wes, >> >> I agree, and if you look at a post I made a couple days ago, it >> states > that. >> Sherwood also states his list is sorted on one column and people shud >> take all factors into account when choosing a radio. >> >> I would NOT recommend a K3 for it's audio. >> >> Each person has their needs and should review them carefully. I >> would also not recommend a Drake R4-C, even though it is in the top quartile. >> >> I will send you a copy of an earlier post that I made. >> >> >> Jim >> W6AIM >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Wes >> (N7WS) >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:12 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> I'm sure there's a point here and I just fail to see what it is. >> >> Rob has stated many times (look for his videos) that one number does >> not a radio make. In fact, as best that I know, he doesn't own a K3. >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> On 2/23/2015 11:01 PM, jim wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> Further, pesky, facts on said Real Radio at >>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html . >>> >>> Number two on the list. That is out of 116 receivers listed on the >>> Sherwood page. >>> >>> That puts said Real Radio in the top 3% of the radios Bob Sherwood >>> has tested for a critical receiver performance parameter. >>> >>> BTW, you will have to use the "Page Down" button, more than twice, >>> to even get a hint of the Kenwood 590. It is number 20 on the list, >>> putting it in the top 17% >>> >>> Also, important to note, is the Drake R4-C with the Sherwood roofing >>> mod, listed at number 28. The R4-C is *ONLY* >>> 45 (forty five) year old technology and that puts it in the top 23%. >>> Yep, FORTY FIVE year old technology. Yep, top 23 %. >>> >>> Just some further, pesky, facts......................... >>> >>> Rake >>> >>> P.S. BTW, I learned 45 years ago. This flies in the face of >>> someone's comment that I never learn. >>> >>> Ho Hum, another pesky fact............. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jbollit at outlook.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 14:31:57 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 12:31:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: THP HL-1.5KFX amplifier for sale/trade Message-ID: Some months ago I received a TOKYO HY-POWER HL-1.5KFX amplifier from Array Solutions. This was shortly before Elecraft announced the KPA500 and (of course) I ordered one to complete my "K-Line". (:-)) The THP is "new-in-the-box" and at the time was valued at a bit over $3K. Now that THP is no longer in business I have no idea of it's value. I'd like to offer it on the Elecraft reflector ... either for sale or perhaps trade for a K3. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP 406-560-1555 From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 14:06:15 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> References: <005e01d0503a$3c715550$b553fff0$@net> Message-ID: <924834364.5362057.1424804775024.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> For me I installed the new KSYN3A for a different reason, I wanted the 100-490 kHz additional range. I have been using RX Converters for years to listen to that range?and have been wanting to builda new converter for that range that would be locked to the same 10 MHz reference as the K3. Then out of the blue Elecraft released the new KSYN3A board pretty much providing the solution. From: Peter Chamalian W1RM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? I'd like to hear from CW operators who have upgraded to the new synthesizer boards. Is there a material/noticeable change in the K3 performance?? Do you think the upgrade was worth it? Pete, W1RM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From w2kj at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 24 14:57:35 2015 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:57:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <38BE102D-114D-4BFC-8D4A-7B7D43350E11@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: I can certainly attest to the fact that the audio in the K3 is very much improved over early serial numbers. I purchased a K3 way back when...s/n 284 I believe. After listening to the radio for about 20 minutes I got "fatigued" by the audio....I only kept the radio a few months and sold it. A few years and several thousand serial numbers later...I purchased a new K3, s/n 44XX, and the audio was greatly improved and was a joy to listen to...I still have the rig but it's been gathering dust since I just love my KX3!! Elecraft simply doesn't follow the YaeComWood philosophy of making improvements to their rigs by selling the Pro or ProII, Pro III etc forcing you to sell your current rig and buying the new and improved rig. Elecraft does it the right way and maintains a solid customer base because of their philosophy of users being able to upgrade their rigs and stay current in terms of capability and functionality. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From kk5na at kk5na.com Tue Feb 24 15:13:36 2015 From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:13:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <38BE102D-114D-4BFC-8D4A-7B7D43350E11@bellsouth.net> References: <38BE102D-114D-4BFC-8D4A-7B7D43350E11@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <00e501d0506e$5f4079b0$1dc16d10$@kk5na.com> I guess I have an "old" K3 s/n 2145. No upgrades, no new DSP, and I have great audio, no audio problems, no fatigue from listening. I work every QRP fox I look for and using the built-in speaker. Maybe I got lucky in my K3 build. 73 Joe KK5NA -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe W2KJ Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:58 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Howdy Gang: I can certainly attest to the fact that the audio in the K3 is very much improved over early serial numbers. I purchased a K3 way back when...s/n 284 I believe. After listening to the radio for about 20 minutes I got "fatigued" by the audio....I only kept the radio a few months and sold it. A few years and several thousand serial numbers later...I purchased a new K3, s/n 44XX, and the audio was greatly improved and was a joy to listen to...I still have the rig but it's been gathering dust since I just love my KX3!! Elecraft simply doesn't follow the YaeComWood philosophy of making improvements to their rigs by selling the Pro or ProII, Pro III etc forcing you to sell your current rig and buying the new and improved rig. Elecraft does it the right way and maintains a solid customer base because of their philosophy of users being able to upgrade their rigs and stay current in terms of capability and functionality. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kk5na at kk5na.com From aldermant at windstream.net Tue Feb 24 15:24:29 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:24:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <003c01d0506f$e44c4520$ace4cf60$@windstream.net> _____________________________________________ From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Hi Yvgvi, I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Yngvi (TF3Y) Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests These are interesting stats. One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. some DXpeditions this might be an issue. Any comments on this? 73, Yngvi TF3Y http://www.tf3y.net From softblue at windstream.net Tue Feb 24 15:29:36 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <004101d05070$9b53e430$d1fbac90$@windstream.net> Thumbs up to Elecraft for keeping on top of good performance. Perhaps someone will come up with and share a user modification for those who might want to explore the potential enhancement as suggested below. Best regards, Dick - KA5KKT "While it is possible to reduce audio IMD products even further, this typically requires a class-A final audio output stage, which would add perhaps 0.5 to 1.0 amps of additional receive-mode current drain (and an associated heatsink)." - Wayne From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Feb 24 15:30:04 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:30:04 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <201502242030.t1OKU53J024463@denali.acsalaska.net> My K3/10 (SN 4043) was purchased on 3/5/2010 (per the invoice). I'm sure that I have the new DSP board and KXV3A. I know that it includes the improved gain in the 1st IF. I have not installed any upgrades other than the EXREF and firmware updates. It has three filters: 13/2.8/400 in main Rx and 2.8 in sub-Rx (KRX3). It has KBPF3 and KTCXO3-1. I installed a minor HB modification to bring the sub-Rx IF out to a BNC connector. I do not use the internal speaker that seems a little harsh to me. I am using a very old ten inch National Speaker from the 1950's that many might say is "too mellow". Sound is fine using my SONY stereo headset which has wider frequency response than the radio. Another couple weeks and my K3 will be five years old. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Wayne Burdick To: George Dubovsky Cc: Elecraft Reflector , "Wes \(N7WS\)" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6 at elecraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi George, I just checked the web site and I see that we've been shipping K3s with the new DSP board since sometime in 2010. (Confirming that time flies.) You can upgrade the DSP board from rev. C to rev. D for $109 (K3DSPUPGD); this includes both the audio low-pass filter and a bit of an improvement in LF audio response. Or you can add just the audio filter section as a small daughter board for $39 (K3DSPLPF). The upgrade does improve the spectra as viewed on an audio spectrum analyzer, but many operators won't be able to hear the effects by ear. Those who can hear them have told us it was a major improvement. Wayne N6KR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From stan at kr7c.net Tue Feb 24 16:16:56 2015 From: stan at kr7c.net (Stan Gibbs, KR7C) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:16:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote > someone with a non-sub K3 who wants to add the subRX without upgrading the > KSYN3 > in the main RX. Is it possible to order a KRX3 *without* a synthesizer board? If it were, there would certainly be a better market for the old boards. I would be much more likely to upgrade to the new KSYN3 for my two K3's, each with two receivers, if I could recover some of the cost by selling the old synthesizers. ----- 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Old-KSYN3-cards-tp7599211p7599267.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Feb 24 16:27:04 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:27:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Split operation In-Reply-To: <54EC84FC.9090103@subich.com> Message-ID: On 2/24/15 at 6:04 AM, lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) wrote: >>I thought I was in split with the marker >>in the P3 dead on where I wanted to >>transmit. All was set except I hadn't >>dedicated that A>B button to "split". > >Do you have problems seeing red? The P3 will show >a RED cursor for the transmit frequency when the K3 >is split (or if RTI/XIT is turned on). I managed to transmit on the DX frequency in my early days. (A kindly ham read my QRZ page, realized I was quite new to this kind of operation, and called me on the telephone to do a little elmering. I am still very grateful to him.) I was using the SVGA on my P3 where the difference between red and magenta is somewhat subtle. (If I had looked at the P3 screen, it would have been much more obvious.) 20-20 hindsight says that perhaps the VFO-B cursor should have been yellow, turning to red when in split. There may be even better choices when we consider working for color blind people. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From dbbrown624 at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 16:40:16 2015 From: dbbrown624 at gmail.com (David Brown) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] CW Paddle Contact Bounce Message-ID: I have owned a K1 for almost 15 years and have always used it with either a straight key or an external keyer. I have never had a keying problem with the K1 other than operator errors. Last year I purchased a single lever paddle to use with the K1's internal keyer. Much to my surprise, significant keying errors occurred when this new paddle was used with the k1's internal keyer. With the K1's internal keyer set for 20 WPM, I could not complete sending the entire alphabet without at least one keying error. I discovered that sending the Morse letter ?A? multiple times, the K1 would occasionally transmit the letter ?N?. Steve, N8WL, used his much newer K1 with my new paddle for this experiment. Sure enough, Steve had about the same error rate as I had with my K1. I should mention that my K1 has been updated with the latest updates, including the MCU firmware which matched that in Steve's K1. So just what is the problem here? Paddle contact bounce was the prime suspect in these keying errors at this point. I decided to investigate what contact bounce may exist and how the K1 deals with it before doing any paddle adjustment or contact cleaning. I instrumented my K1 with two oscilloscope probes connected to the K1's MCU that, in addition to performing K1 control functions, controls transmitter keying and the Iambic mode keyer implementation. One probe was connected to the MCU keying input and the other to the keying line output that keys the transmitter. A fairly lengthy investigation can be summarized with the following observations. First, paddle contact bounce was very prevalent. For example, the dot contact bounce typically ranged between 3 and 6 milliseconds, but had some occurrences as high as 8 milliseconds. It appears that in the presence of contact bounce, a false detection of a contact closure can occur when the MCU keying input voltage must transition through a region that represents a valid but unintended contact closure. In the Morse ?A? experiment, the MCU keying voltage will initially switch from 6.1 volts down to 1.9 volts with the dot contact closure. In doing this, the voltage will drop through the vicinity of 3.8 volts which represents a dash contact closure. The MCU A/D conversion and firmware that monitors this voltage sometimes mistakenly recognizes this transition as a valid dash contact closure that is followed by a dot contact closure. When this happens, the dash contact closure used in sending ?A? appears to be ignored while ?N? is being transmitted by the K1. The K1's paddle contacts are connected to the MCU keying input via a resistor network that adjusts the MCU input voltage to the values used in identifying specific paddle contact closures. Capacitor C6 (.01 uF) at the MCU keying input provides some RC filtering to this keying voltage. Varying the size of C6 had a very strong influence on the percentage of keying errors. Larger values of capacitance increased the error rate while smaller values decreased it. This makes sense in that with a larger C6, the voltage transition through that "dash contact closure" region is increased in the "A" experiment, thus increasing the probability of a false contact closure detection. It is a difficult problem to design a real time A/D conversion and voltage detection system that meets acceptable A/D charge holding times in the presence of significant contact bounce. I wound up changing C6 from the stock .01uF to 100 pF which in turn significantly reduced false paddle contact closures. In addition to this, paddle adjustments were made to further eliminate this problem. The contact bounce error rate is not zero, but it has been reduced to a low background level that is well below my own paddle use errors. All of the data recorded in this investigation is presented in a short article in the January 2015 issue of the QRP Quarterly (http://www.qrparci.org/). I would be interested in hearing from others that have dealt with contact bounce issues involving the K1. 73, Dave K8AX From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Feb 24 16:40:54 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:40:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SYNTH In-Reply-To: <0f2a01d05060$4f36fa70$eda4ef50$@gmail.com> References: <54ECC2D9.8060502@foothill.net> <0f2a01d05060$4f36fa70$eda4ef50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54ECEFE6.2030605@foothill.net> Thanks to all, it's now on order. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/24/2015 10:32 AM, Mike Flowers wrote: > http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K3%20Parts > > - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 16:54:48 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:54:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <003c01d0506f$e44c4520$ace4cf60$@windstream.net> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> <003c01d0506f$e44c4520$ace4cf60$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <551752EC-689D-4A11-A017-C04AE2C19E86@elecraft.com> Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart as *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" wrote: > > > _____________________________________________ > From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM > To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > > Hi Yvgvi, > > I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be > noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Yngvi > (TF3Y) > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > > These are interesting stats. > > One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by > Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever > increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. > some DXpeditions this might be an issue. > > Any comments on this? > > 73, Yngvi TF3Y > http://www.tf3y.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 16:57:23 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:57:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <551752EC-689D-4A11-A017-C04AE2C19E86@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54EC8697.6060904@triconet.org> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> <003c01d0506f$e44c4520$ace4cf60$@windstream.net> <551752EC-689D-4A11-A017-C04AE2C19E86@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <619B8E1D-80BA-4862-9201-7257EBF698B8@elecraft.com> Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't have its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity threshold issue Rob observed. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart as *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" wrote: > >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM >> To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> >> Hi Yvgvi, >> >> I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be >> noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? >> >> 73, >> Tom - W4BQF >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Yngvi >> (TF3Y) >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> These are interesting stats. >> >> One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by >> Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever >> increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. >> some DXpeditions this might be an issue. >> >> Any comments on this? >> >> 73, Yngvi TF3Y >> http://www.tf3y.net >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Feb 24 17:08:05 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 14:08:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Split operation In-Reply-To: <54EC84FC.9090103@subich.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20150223120833.00ee5ed8@pop3.dccnet.com>, <2099318156.4705549.1424726974129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EC0E38.10139.15C97B1A@Gary.ka1j.com> <54EC84FC.9090103@subich.com> Message-ID: <54ECF645.4020205@foothill.net> Of all the possible colors to denote VFO A and B, red and green are probably the worst choices since defective color vision is way more prevalent in males than females, the vast majority of hams are male, and inability to distinguish red and green is the most common color vision defect. :-) I don't have any color vision at all so it's moot for me. I run my P3 with the monochrome waterfall, and if I had my choice, the cursors would be white, with A being solid and B dashed. But since the odds are high I'm the only Elecraft customer with this vision defect, I can understand if they don't take my suggestion. Then again, Alan added the monochrome WF option when I told him I couldn't use the color-coded WF very well. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/24/2015 6:04 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Do you have problems seeing red? The P3 will show > a RED cursor for the transmit frequency when the K3 > is split (or if RTI/XIT is turned on). > > I don't understand why someone would want to lose a > significant amount of data displayed in the waterfall > when the red transmit cursor is so prominent. From tf3y at tf3y.net Tue Feb 24 17:14:24 2015 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: Thanks for the explanation Wayne. 73, Yngvi TF3Y On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't have > its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, > an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 > Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity > threshold issue Rob observed. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart as > *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The > K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise > floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity > of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- > an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often > with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic > range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" < > aldermant at windstream.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> _____________________________________________ > >> From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM > >> To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' > >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' > >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > >> > >> > >> Hi Yvgvi, > >> > >> I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be > >> noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a > contest? > >> > >> 73, > >> Tom - W4BQF > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Yngvi > >> (TF3Y) > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM > >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests > >> > >> These are interesting stats. > >> > >> One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by > >> Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the > ever > >> increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. > >> some DXpeditions this might be an issue. > >> > >> Any comments on this? > >> > >> 73, Yngvi TF3Y > >> http://www.tf3y.net > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tf3y at tf3y.net > -- http://www.tf3y.net From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 17:16:51 2015 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP rev D board S/N's Message-ID: Regarding the recent thread about the K3 DSP board, according to http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/dsp_rev_c_information.htm it says that beginning serial number 3626 +/- 10, K3s shipped rev D of the DSP board. Hope the info is useful to some. 73, Mike ab3ap From alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz Tue Feb 24 17:40:13 2015 From: alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz (alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:40:13 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: hmcu0510b.hex Message-ID: <6D4.2Tarr.1TLDJnGzVd6.1KxFtD@seznam.cz> I can see file hmcu0510b.hex (ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hmcu0510b.hex) on ftp.? This "b" version is about LCD driver as it was before (if I remember correctly)? Or...? 73! L. ok1dst From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 17:58:51 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 04:28:51 +0530 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 OPT command In-Reply-To: <54eccb7e.8ba46b0a.664d.ffffce4cSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <54eccb7e.8ba46b0a.664d.ffffce4cSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <65972515-239C-4949-AA15-957604594247@gmail.com> Maybe check R84 and particularly R85 are the correct values, and doesn't have any dry joints? I'm guessing that Q12 takes R84 in/out of circuit in order to set bias current on Q22, and if Q12 is open circuit to set optimised bias current, and there is a problem with R85, the post mixer amplifier won't work properly? 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 25 Feb 2015, at 12:35 am, Don Palmer wrote: > > Hi hope someone can help me I have just finishing building a K2 when I > change OPT to Optimization I lose sound. > > I put it back to BATT and it all comes back, I understand that this command > reduces the I.F. > > post-mixer amplifier current by about 40 mA and automatically > > forces the bargraph to use DOT mode if set for BAR. > > > > Any help would be grateful. > > > > Don > > G6CMV > > K2 Ser Num 6546 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 18:06:56 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Keith Ennis via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Elecraft K3/100 Message-ID: <800475865.10022552.1424819216985.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?FOR SALE: Elecraft K3/100 serial number 82XX with KFL3B-FM, 2.7, 1.8 and 400HZ filters. This radio has the following options added: KAT3 ATU KBPF3 K3 general coverage receiver module KDVR3 K3 digital voice recorder KXV3A K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr interface KTCX03-1 K3 TCXO (0.5ppm) KRX3 K3 2nd receiver with 2.7, 1.8 and 400hz filters K144XV K3 internal 2 meter module with K144RFLK REFLOCK option K3 stainless H/W kit The radio is 9.9+ out of 10. Only has about 12 hours of use. Purchased this 2nd K3 and just never used the radio so I have decided to sell. New kit price as equipped was over $4700.00 Priced at only $3500.00. Shipping to lower 48 is $25.00 Phone number is 318-734-0881. Email nelasat at yahoo.com PayPal OK with buyer and seller sharing fees. The radio is located in Monroe, Louisiana. Last offer here before eBay. Keith, KV5J, XE3/K5ENS From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 19:10:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Split operation In-Reply-To: <54ECF645.4020205@foothill.net> References: <54ECF645.4020205@foothill.net> Message-ID: <334355994.10073428.1424823000289.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I realize that the discussion about split operations have beenenough to tan the hides of every bovine used for McDonald'shamburgers for the next century, but I would like to add my "vote"to what Fred mentioned, as I'm one of those 10% or so of maleswho suffer from the inability to distinguish reds, greens, browns,and other?similar "earth tones". I freely admit that my XYL has tomatch a lot of my clothing for me. In my professional career, I even encountered one poor guy whohad to use a hood over a 7-segment LED display (on the front panelof a PDP11/34) to be able to read it, even though there were no othercolors in the immediate vicinity; he had to rely solely on the relativebrightness?of the display. I can, I think, differentiate a lot of colors,but my wife will tell you that it's a guess at best, and usually wrong,and the accuracy depends strongly on the color/temperature of theambient light in the room. I score the best accuracy in pure sunlight. So, yes, some chromatic ergonomic engineering would be sincerely appreciated! tnx es 73, Brandy, N1HO Fred Jensen, k6dgw, said, in part,? "...red and green are??probably the worst choices since defective colorvision is way more??prevalent in males than females, the vast majorityof hams are male, and??inability to distinguish red and green is the mostcommon color vision?defect."? From radioham at mchsi.com Tue Feb 24 19:16:06 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:16:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But that?s a problem of probable general interest and the results should end up in the archives. DavidK0LUM On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. > > I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. > > It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ From w8ov at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 19:30:52 2015 From: w8ov at verizon.net (W8OV) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:30:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54ED17BC.8010803@verizon.net> David, you may be correct, so I will repost to the list what I sent to Mike earlier today. It did not entirely correct his problem, however. Mike, I'm pretty new to digital, but am using Fldigi, so I'll give it a shot. In Windows, I right-clicked on the speaker icon in the lower right corner, then selected Sounds. On the Playback tab, I selected Speakers set to my USB Audio CODEC; likewise, on the Recording tab, Microphone is also set to my USB Audio CODEC. In Fldigi, in Config\Soundcard (I'm using an audio interface: Tascam US-100), I set Audio\Devices by checking PortAudio, then selecting the Microphone (under Capture) and Speakers (under Playback) that my sound card is set to in Windows sound - USB Audio CODEC. Next, in Fldigi in Config\Rig control, choose the Rig tab, then Hamlib. In Hamlib, check the box in front of Use Hamlib at the top. In Rig choose Elecraft K3/KX3 (Beta). In Device, choose your com port. Below that, set the Baud rate to 38400. On the left side, check the box for PTT via Hamlib command. Finally, click Save at the bottom, then Close. Hope that helps and works for your set up. 73, Dave W8OV On 2/24/2015 6:16 PM, David Christ wrote: > But that?s a problem of probable general interest and the results should end up in the archives. > > DavidK0LUM > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. >> >> I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. >> >> It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8ov at verizon.net > From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 24 20:35:02 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:35:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> Message-ID: <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> First of all, congratulations to Elecraft for raising the bar (or at least jumping higher) to get to Sherwood ranking #2! This sort of begs the question that I failed to ask when these upgrades were announced - do I really need to upgrade? In other words, who is the intended user of this lofty technology? Will it really improve the performance of my K3 that I can see (hear), or would I be paying about $200 x 2 (I have the second RX) for performance that can be measured only with precision lab instruments? 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 2/23/2015 8:22 PM, Bob Locher wrote: > The Sherwood ratings on receivers has just been updated to show the K3 > with the new synthesizer. See: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > > Looking good - congratulations to Wayne and Eric! From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Feb 24 20:56:22 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <619B8E1D-80BA-4862-9201-7257EBF698B8@elecraft.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <966816B7-51DA-4F7E-ACAF-16CBCACB6C7E@elecraft.com> <9AAC73A0-9B20-4AE3-ACB9-FB4045B168E6@elecraft.com> <003c01d0506f$e44c4520$ace4cf60$@windstream.net> <551752EC-689D-4A11-A017-C04AE2C19E86@elecraft.com> <619B8E1D-80BA-4862-9201-7257EBF698B8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1691035197.17114594.1424829382558.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I'm old enough to remember that the most important characteristic of a receiver was sensitivity. Nothing else seemed to matter. Some receivers of the time had 2 RF amplifiers to make sure that they won the sensitivity battle. And, what would happened when a strong signal, not necessarily S9, would appear, bad things happened to your radio. At this point I won't define the date. This lunacy was being looked at by a number engineers, to include Dr. Ulrich Rhode, W2 something. I forget his call. He said in a series of papers in professional journals and Ham Radio Magazine that sensitivity was not the most important parameter at the time. It would turn out to be LO noise sidebands and dynamic range. That still holds today, and now, IMHO, ultimate rejection should be added. All of this is shown in Sherwood's data. What this all means is that all of the receiver parameters must be looked at to decide what makes a great radio. I suggest a review of some of Rhode's papers. His writings make extremely interesting reading as it addresses this discussion directly. 73, Barry K3NDM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Burdick" To: "Chester Alderman" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:57:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't have its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity threshold issue Rob observed. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart as *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" wrote: > >> >> >> _____________________________________________ >> From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM >> To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' >> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> >> Hi Yvgvi, >> >> I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be >> noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? >> >> 73, >> Tom - W4BQF >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Yngvi >> (TF3Y) >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >> >> These are interesting stats. >> >> One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by >> Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever >> increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. >> some DXpeditions this might be an issue. >> >> Any comments on this? >> >> 73, Yngvi TF3Y >> http://www.tf3y.net >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From dick at elecraft.com Tue Feb 24 21:04:49 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:04:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: hmcu0510b.hex In-Reply-To: <6D4.2Tarr.1TLDJnGzVd6.1KxFtD@seznam.cz> References: <6D4.2Tarr.1TLDJnGzVd6.1KxFtD@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <063001d0509f$701b16b0$50514410$@elecraft.com> The b version is for a newer LCD driver. If your front panel was built with the newer LCD driver, there's a permanent mark in the radio's flash memory that the K3 Utility uses to figure out which firmware file to use. Don't try to rename files; the K3 Utility will figure it out and load the firmware file appropriate for your front panel board. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 14:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: hmcu0510b.hex I can see file hmcu0510b.hex (ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/hmcu0510b.hex) on ftp. This "b" version is about LCD driver as it was before (if I remember correctly)? Or...? 73! L. ok1dst ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 24 21:11:28 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:11:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> Of course not, Jim -- but most of us didn't *need* to buy Elecraft either :-) Staying at the head of the pack does take the upgrade. But I cheated: With only one usable ear, no Sub RX to upgrade! Phil W7OX (in Torrance) On 2/24/15 5:35 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > First of all, congratulations to Elecraft for > raising the bar (or at least jumping higher) to > get to Sherwood ranking #2! > > This sort of begs the question that I failed to > ask when these upgrades were announced - do I > really need to upgrade? > In other words, who is the intended user of this > lofty technology? > Will it really improve the performance of my K3 > that I can see (hear), or would I be paying > about $200 x 2 (I have the second RX) for > performance that can be measured only with > precision lab instruments? > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:25:14 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:25:14 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Has a new K3 price gone up $200 for a single receiver version K3 i wonder Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 25/02/2015 7:17 AM, "Stan Gibbs, KR7C" wrote: > Don Wilhelm-4 wrote > > someone with a non-sub K3 who wants to add the subRX without upgrading > the > > KSYN3 > > in the main RX. > > Is it possible to order a KRX3 *without* a synthesizer board? If it were, > there would certainly be a better market for the old boards. > > I would be much more likely to upgrade to the new KSYN3 for my two K3's, > each with two receivers, if I could recover some of the cost by selling the > old synthesizers. > > > > > ----- > 73, Stan - KR7C > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Old-KSYN3-cards-tp7599211p7599267.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From kx4o at hamradio.me Tue Feb 24 21:32:10 2015 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:32:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Adjustable RTY/PSK Idle Timeout Message-ID: <54ED342A.6050904@hamradio.me> Hello, Is the default 4 second idle timeout in the KX3's built-in keyer RTTY/PSK31 transmit feature something we can adjust to, say, 1/2 second? It seems all too often a response is well underway by the time the transmission ends in quick QSO conditions. I totally get the reasoning for the 4 seconds, but having it adjustable via menu and/or CAT would be very helpful. A menu setting would be plenty good enough. I will continue my search through the programming manual for an answer. If this idle time adjustment is not currently possible, consider this a feature request. Many thanks. John, kx4o From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 24 21:32:36 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:32:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54ED3444.4060706@socal.rr.com> Go take a look, but I think not:-) Phil W7OX On 2/24/15 6:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Has a new K3 price gone up $200 for a single receiver version K3 i wonder > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 25/02/2015 7:17 AM, "Stan Gibbs, KR7C" wrote: > >> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote >>> someone with a non-sub K3 who wants to add the subRX without upgrading >> the >>> KSYN3 >>> in the main RX. >> Is it possible to order a KRX3 *without* a synthesizer board? If it were, >> there would certainly be a better market for the old boards. >> >> I would be much more likely to upgrade to the new KSYN3 for my two K3's, >> each with two receivers, if I could recover some of the cost by selling the >> old synthesizers. >> From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Feb 24 21:35:19 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:35:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: In my case I want my K3 to be the best it can be as I have in the past taken it to FD. I also work weak signals and want to ensure that interference from nearby signals will be minimized. But mainly I want to be able to work 630m and below without a minimum of fuss. The new synth(s) allow for all of that. jim ab3cv From djcarohmer at ntin.net Tue Feb 24 21:36:09 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:36:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <54ED3519.7010501@ntin.net> The price for a K3-10 kit was $1499.00 in March 2011. The current price is $1599.00. Dwayne WV5I On 2/24/2015 8:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Has a new K3 price gone up $200 for a single receiver version K3 i wonder > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > On 25/02/2015 7:17 AM, "Stan Gibbs, KR7C" wrote: From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Tue Feb 24 21:37:00 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George Fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:37:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <671AF9C5-206D-469D-90C5-6C2809D8FF3C@yahoo.com> How about this. Forget the upgrade, save the money, sell your dual RX K3 and buy the FLEX.......then you are #1 George, W6GF Sent from my iPad > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Of course not, Jim -- but most of us didn't *need* to buy Elecraft either :-) > > Staying at the head of the pack does take the upgrade. But I cheated: With only one usable ear, no Sub RX to upgrade! > > Phil W7OX (in Torrance) > >> On 2/24/15 5:35 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: >> First of all, congratulations to Elecraft for raising the bar (or at least jumping higher) to get to Sherwood ranking #2! >> >> This sort of begs the question that I failed to ask when these upgrades were announced - do I really need to upgrade? >> In other words, who is the intended user of this lofty technology? >> Will it really improve the performance of my K3 that I can see (hear), or would I be paying about $200 x 2 (I have the second RX) for performance that can be measured only with precision lab instruments? >> >> 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:37:14 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:37:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> According to the original statements, no. The price is the same. Bravo! 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Has a new K3 price gone up $200 for a single receiver version K3 i wonder > > Gary > Vk1ZZ From K2TK at att.net Tue Feb 24 21:40:19 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:40:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading to the new Syn Card -- is there a noticable change? In-Reply-To: <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54ECA627.8000609@socket.net> <1586858867.9599247.1424798914242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54ED3613.8050602@att.net> Totally dependent on what you expect from it. Something I missed since my Kenwood TS930 days was SWL'ing the beacons. That extended coverage was worth the cost to me. Anything else is a bonus. Also looking for the QSK improvement as a secondary reason but would not have influenced my decision. So bought 2 PWA's hope to get them in this week. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 2/24/2015 12:28 PM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > It is not worth the time and effort, forget the cost, to upgrade > George, W6GF > > On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:42 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: > > > Considering the time and effort to make them happen, all Elecraft > upgrades are worth it. > > Whether you want to own an "upgraded" radio or a "downgraded" radio is > up to you. > > Kent K9ZTV > > > > On 2/24/2015 8:00 AM, someone wrote: >> Do you think the upgrade was worth it? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Feb 24 21:42:22 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:42:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <671AF9C5-206D-469D-90C5-6C2809D8FF3C@yahoo.com> References: <54EBFCA1.1030608@thelochers.net> <54ED26C6.3070900@sbcglobal.net> <54ED2F50.9000401@socal.rr.com> <671AF9C5-206D-469D-90C5-6C2809D8FF3C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54ED368E.7070605@socal.rr.com> I'm not into computer-focused rigs: Like my old fashioned dials, George :-) K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 is likely my ultimate station! 73, Phil W7OX On 2/24/15 6:37 PM, George Fritkin wrote: > How about this. Forget the upgrade, save the money, sell your dual RX K3 and buy the FLEX.......then you are #1 > > George, W6GF > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> Of course not, Jim -- but most of us didn't *need* to buy Elecraft either :-) >> >> Staying at the head of the pack does take the upgrade. But I cheated: With only one usable ear, no Sub RX to upgrade! >> >> Phil W7OX (in Torrance) >> >>> On 2/24/15 5:35 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: >>> First of all, congratulations to Elecraft for raising the bar (or at least jumping higher) to get to Sherwood ranking #2! >>> >>> This sort of begs the question that I failed to ask when these upgrades were announced - do I really need to upgrade? >>> In other words, who is the intended user of this lofty technology? >>> Will it really improve the performance of my K3 that I can see (hear), or would I be paying about $200 x 2 (I have the second RX) for performance that can be measured only with precision lab instruments? >>> >>> 73 de Jim - AD6CW From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 21:47:13 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:47:13 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller margin to help defray design costs. If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied to boards sold separately. Just curious. I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return trip to the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is accumulating dust and age. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 25/02/2015 12:37 PM, "Rick Bates" wrote: > According to the original statements, no. The price is the same. Bravo! > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > > > Has a new K3 price gone up $200 for a single receiver version K3 i wonder > > > > Gary > > Vk1ZZ > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 22:00:50 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:00:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or the newer card costs them about the same as the older model; (and) or they'll eat the price difference. Nice thing about Elecraft is that you can do the updates/upgrades yourself, even piecemeal as a budget allows. Mine is almost never turned off; dust is another matter. ;-). I'll give it an internal dusting when I do the upgrade. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller margin to help defray design costs. > If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied to boards sold separately. > Just curious. > > I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return trip to the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is accumulating dust and age. > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. From n0nb at n0nb.us Tue Feb 24 22:15:16 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:15:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitter Gain Calibration fails In-Reply-To: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20150225031515.GR25116@n0nb.us> * On 2015 24 Feb 09:48 -0600, dl2ki wrote: > Hello, > > after updating the firmware to MCU version 5.10 the Transmitter Gain > Calibration fails. > The error message is: > > /Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.10.24 > K3 MCU revision 05.10. RS-232 speed 4800 bps. > Starting 5 watt calibration. > GetTunePower: Unexpected response '?;' to ''. > 5 watt calibration failed. > Elapsed time: 6,0 secs/ > > The same with the 50W Calibration. > > Where is the problem? I don't know, but a power reset of my radio and running the calibration again worked as expected. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From pastormg2 at verizon.net Tue Feb 24 23:05:07 2015 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:05:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ 434B Connections Message-ID: <22729984.1722077.1424837107597.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, this is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. Has anyone connected a MFJ 434B Voice Keyer to the K3? I assume that I would connect my Heil HM-12 microphone to the external microphone jack on the front of the unit. The man from MFJ said I would have to set up the jumpers in the unit for a Kenwood. But for some oddball reason they use a modular cable plug to connect the 434B to my K3. I realize I would have to use the MIC Connector on the back of my K3 and would have to make the necessary change with the K3 so it knows that I am using the MIC connector in the back. But where do I find one of these Modular cables to connect the 434B to the K3. Any help or advice would be very much appreciated. Mark Griffin KB3Z From dhdial at att.net Tue Feb 24 23:17:50 2015 From: dhdial at att.net (David Dial) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:17:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Level Message-ID: <1424837870.63067.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I just completed building my new KXPA100 and have connected the amplifier to my new KX3 using the control cable. I have also ensured that I have the latest production firmware on both the KX3 and the KXPA100. Everything seems to operate correctly with the following exception. The output from the KXPA as observed on the KXPA Utility agrees closely with the selected output on the KX3 only for power settings under 75 watts. For power settings above 75 watts, the KXPA output lags the selected output and never exceeds 80 watts even when the KX3 selected power is 100 watts or more. The LED?s on the KXPA support these readings since the highest LED reading is 80 even when the selected power is 100 watts or more. The RF Output displayed on the KX3 matches the selected output level at all power levels. These readings were taken while transmitting into a dummy load with an SWR reading of 1.1 on the Utility. The supply voltage to the KXPA displayed on the Utility at full power was 13.3 volts. I have performed the KX3 Power Output Display Calibration procedure in the KXPA100 manual several times, but this has not corrected the power issue. The Power Output Display Calibration procedure seemed to perform properly as described in the manual. However, after performing this procedure, I continue to observe ALC Ax.x on the KX3 TX GAIN menu rather than ALC tx.x as mentioned in the manual at various power levels from 10 watts to 100 watts. It appears that the KX3 is not saving the new drive levels. I have submitted this issue to Elecraft support, but we have not yet diagnosed the problem. I would appreciate any suggestions as to what might be causing this problem and what I can do to correct the issue. 73, David K5ADL From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 25 00:06:30 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 21:06:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking testers for K3 field-test firmware that fixes synthesizer bug Message-ID: Hi all, We discovered that a very small percentage of K3s fitted with the new KSYN3A synthesizers have some difficulty communicating with the K3's main MCU. The problem was actually in the main MCU firmware, and it has now been corrected. We're anxious to get this firmware out to everyone installing new synths, so ideally we would go to beta ASAP. We need to do the usual testing first. Both the old and new synthesizers should work perfectly with the new firmware, and we'll need volunteers with both kinds. If you can load the new firmware either tonight or tomorrow and can put in at least 30 minutes of test time (just using the radio normally), please email me directly. See full release notes below. These cover everything added since rev. 5.10. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * MCU 5.13 / DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2-24-2015 * FIXED KSYN3A CONTROL BUG: On some K3s, a communications error would sometimes occur between the main MCU and KSYN3A, leading to either the main or sub receiver being off frequency. This has been corrected. * TURNING DIVERSITY OFF DOESN?T TURN OFF THE SUB RX: This applies to both a hold of the SUB switch and the "DV0" host command. The sub must be turned off by tapping SUB. (Also see next item.) * NEW "DVS" HOST COMMAND: This variation of the "DV" command turns both diversity and the sub RX on/off at the same time. This is useful for operators who want a single switch macro to quickly alternate between sub with diversity ON, and sub OFF. Use K3 Utility to create a switch macro, then assign it to a programmable switch using CONFIG:MACRO n. * "DT" HOST COMMAND FIX (data sub-mode): The DT set command to select the DATA submode for VFO A now correctly sets the same submode for VFO B. * RF board device driver updates. No effect on normal operation. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 25 00:08:05 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 00:08:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Adjustable RTY/PSK Idle Timeout In-Reply-To: <54ED342A.6050904@hamradio.me> References: <54ED342A.6050904@hamradio.me> Message-ID: <54ED58B5.9070601@embarqmail.com> John, Send the IM character to stop transmission immediately. That is sent as a prosign would be - dit dit dah dah, and not as 2 letters. If you have trouble sending it correctly, think of it as sending the numeral 2 without the last dah. You can also imbed that character in memories. It will not send anything in CW, but will end transmission immediately in data modes. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/24/2015 9:32 PM, John wrote: > Hello, > > Is the default 4 second idle timeout in the KX3's built-in keyer > RTTY/PSK31 transmit feature something we can adjust to, say, 1/2 > second? It seems all too often a response is well underway by the > time the transmission ends in quick QSO conditions. > > I totally get the reasoning for the 4 seconds, but having it > adjustable via menu and/or CAT would be very helpful. A menu setting > would be plenty good enough. > > I will continue my search through the programming manual for an > answer. If this idle time adjustment is not currently possible, > consider this a feature request. > > Many thanks. > John, kx4o > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From htodd at twofifty.com Wed Feb 25 01:20:09 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:20:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Transmitter Gain Calibration fails In-Reply-To: <20150225031515.GR25116@n0nb.us> References: <1424792794225-7599231.post@n2.nabble.com> <20150225031515.GR25116@n0nb.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 24 Feb 09:48 -0600, dl2ki wrote: >> Hello, >> >> after updating the firmware to MCU version 5.10 the Transmitter Gain >> Calibration fails. >> The error message is: >> >> /Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.10.24 >> K3 MCU revision 05.10. RS-232 speed 4800 bps. >> Starting 5 watt calibration. >> GetTunePower: Unexpected response '?;' to ''. >> 5 watt calibration failed. >> Elapsed time: 6,0 secs/ >> >> The same with the 50W Calibration. >> >> Where is the problem? > > I don't know, but a power reset of my radio and running the calibration > again worked as expected. I'm getting all sorts of errors from the Mac utility, but if I use a Win8 laptop I have no issues at all. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 03:10:28 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:10:28 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick Glad it worked out for you. I lost faith awhile ago. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 25/02/2015 1:00 PM, "Rick Bates" wrote: > Or the newer card costs them about the same as the older model; (and) or > they'll eat the price difference. > > Nice thing about Elecraft is that you can do the updates/upgrades > yourself, even piecemeal as a budget allows. Mine is almost never turned > off; dust is another matter. ;-). I'll give it an internal dusting when I > do the upgrade. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might > assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller margin > to help defray design costs. > If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied to > boards sold separately. > Just curious. > > I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as > designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return trip to > the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is accumulating dust > and age. > > Gary > Vk1ZZ > K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. > > From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Feb 25 03:11:20 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:11:20 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <1691035197.17114594.1424829382558.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <201522581120.802836@Shack> I can't help thinking that we are getting to a point where this number chasing is irrelevant. Until high noise levels caused by EMI and the poor transmitted signals during DX hunting and contests are eliminated, further improvements in receive performance figures are unlikely to be of much practical value. My 2p's worth... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:56:22 +0000 (UTC), k3ndm at comcast.net wrote: > I'm old enough to remember that the most important characteristic of a receiver was sensitivity. Nothing else seemed to matter. Some receivers of the time had 2 RF amplifiers to make sure that they won the sensitivity battle. And, what would happened when a strong signal, not necessarily S9, would appear, bad things happened to your radio. At this point I won't define the date. > > This lunacy was being looked at by a number engineers, to include Dr. Ulrich Rhode, W2 something. I forget his call. He said in a series of papers in professional journals and Ham Radio Magazine that sensitivity was not the most important parameter at the time. It would turn out to be LO noise sidebands and dynamic range. That still holds today, and now, IMHO, ultimate rejection should be added. All of this is shown in Sherwood's data. What this all means is that all of the receiver parameters must be looked at to decide what makes a great radio. I suggest a review of some of Rhode's papers. His writings make extremely interesting reading as it addresses this discussion directly. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wayne Burdick" > To: "Chester Alderman" > Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:57:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests > > Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't have its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity threshold issue Rob observed. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart as *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" wrote: >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM >>> To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' >>> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' >>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >>> >>> >>> Hi Yvgvi, >>> >>> I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to be >>> noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? >>> >>> 73, >>> Tom - W4BQF >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Yngvi >>> (TF3Y) >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >>> >>> These are interesting stats. >>> >>> One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured by >>> Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days with the ever >>> increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. >>> some DXpeditions this might be an issue. >>> >>> Any comments on this? >>> >>> 73, Yngvi TF3Y >>> http://www.tf3y.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 06:19:41 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> References: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <5257545D-2016-4C96-BB07-369C867FC0FC@gmail.com> For just receiving on 474.2kHz, you do not need a fancy antenna. Here are my results from overnight monitoring just using my standard 80/160m inverted V with the center at 50?. This seems to be typical reception, out to 3000km. Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km 2015-02-25 09:56 WG2XKA 0.475723 -17 0 FN33lq 1 WA8JXM EM88cr 1054 2015-02-25 09:54 WG2XJM 0.475775 -12 0 EN91wr 5 WA8JXM EM88cr 456 2015-02-25 09:54 WD2XSH/15 0.475726 -25 0 EM34rt 2 WA8JXM EM88cr 892 2015-02-25 08:30 WH2XGP 0.475688 -28 0 DN07dg 10 WA8JXM EM88cr 3040 2015-02-25 04:46 WG2XIQ 0.475609 -14 0 EM12mp 5 WA8JXM EM88cr 1366 2015-02-25 04:00 WG2XXM 0.475711 -7 0 EM15lj 2 WA8JXM EM88cr 1231 2015-02-25 04:00 WH2XND 0.475630 -24 0 DM33xt 1 WA8JXM EM88cr 2580 From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 07:02:39 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:02:39 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] CW Paddle Contact Bounce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EDB9DF.7030509@gmail.com> You don't mention the material the contacts are made of. A few years ago, one major manufacturer of high-quality paddles was using a particular alloy for contacts which behaved like a semiconductor junction. In other words, it had a fixed voltage drop despite the amount of current that was flowing through it. This upset circuits like that of the K1, which distinguishes dits and dahs by detecting a voltage drop across one of a pair of resistors grounded by the paddle. I thought at first that it was a bounce problem. I tried various solutions, but the only one that ultimately worked was to get the manufacturer to supply silver contacts for the paddle in question (gold plating and maybe some other materials are also OK). On 24 Feb 2015 23:40, David Brown wrote: > I have owned a K1 for almost 15 years and have always used it with either a > straight key or an external keyer. I have never had a keying problem with > the K1 other than operator errors. Last year I purchased a single lever > paddle to use with the K1's internal keyer. Much to my surprise, > significant keying errors occurred when this new paddle was used with the > k1's internal keyer. With the K1's internal keyer set for 20 WPM, I could > not complete sending the entire alphabet without at least one keying error. > I discovered that sending the Morse letter ?A? multiple times, the K1 would > occasionally transmit the letter ?N?. Steve, N8WL, used his much newer K1 > with my new paddle for this experiment. Sure enough, Steve had about the > same error rate as I had with my K1. I should mention that my K1 has been > updated with the latest updates, including the MCU firmware which matched > that in Steve's K1. So just what is the problem here? > > Paddle contact bounce was the prime suspect in these keying errors at this > point. I decided to investigate what contact bounce may exist and how the > K1 deals with it before doing any paddle adjustment or contact cleaning. I > instrumented my K1 with two oscilloscope probes connected to the K1's MCU > that, in addition to performing K1 control functions, controls transmitter > keying and the Iambic mode keyer implementation. One probe was connected to > the MCU keying input and the other to the keying line output that keys the > transmitter. A fairly lengthy investigation can be summarized with the > following observations. First, paddle contact bounce was very prevalent. > For example, the dot contact bounce typically ranged between 3 and 6 > milliseconds, but had some occurrences as high as 8 milliseconds. It > appears that in the presence of contact bounce, a false detection of a > contact closure can occur when the MCU keying input voltage must transition > through a region that represents a valid but unintended contact closure. In > the Morse ?A? experiment, the MCU keying voltage will initially switch from > 6.1 volts down to 1.9 volts with the dot contact closure. In doing this, > the voltage will drop through the vicinity of 3.8 volts which represents a > dash contact closure. The MCU A/D conversion and firmware that monitors > this voltage sometimes mistakenly recognizes this transition as a valid > dash contact closure that is followed by a dot contact closure. When this > happens, the dash contact closure used in sending ?A? appears to be ignored > while ?N? is being transmitted by the K1. > > The K1's paddle contacts are connected to the MCU keying input via a > resistor network that adjusts the MCU input voltage to the values used in > identifying specific paddle contact closures. Capacitor C6 (.01 uF) at the > MCU keying input provides some RC filtering to this keying voltage. Varying > the size of C6 had a very strong influence on the percentage of keying > errors. Larger values of capacitance increased the error rate while smaller > values decreased it. This makes sense in that with a larger C6, the voltage > transition through that "dash contact closure" region is increased in the > "A" experiment, thus increasing the probability of a false contact closure > detection. It is a difficult problem to design a real time A/D conversion > and voltage detection system that meets acceptable A/D charge holding times > in the presence of significant contact bounce. I wound up changing C6 from > the stock .01uF to 100 pF which in turn significantly reduced false paddle > contact closures. In addition to this, paddle adjustments were made to > further eliminate this problem. The contact bounce error rate is not zero, > but it has been reduced to a low background level that is well below my own > paddle use errors. All of the data recorded in this investigation is > presented in a short article in the January 2015 issue of the QRP Quarterly > (http://www.qrparci.org/). I would be interested in hearing from others > that have dealt with contact bounce issues involving the K1. > > 73, Dave K8AX -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 07:08:58 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:08:58 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Split operation In-Reply-To: <334355994.10073428.1424823000289.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54ECF645.4020205@foothill.net> <334355994.10073428.1424823000289.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EDBB5A.3050708@gmail.com> Me too. For me, blue and yellow are like night and day, but red, green, brown, etc. are encompassed by a concept that I call "groun." I would like an option to make the TX cursor yellow. 30-odd years ago I used to have a 4-year old daughter standing by to read resistor color codes to me, and now I'm waiting for HER daughter to be old enough for the job. On 25 Feb 2015 02:10, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > I realize that the discussion about split operations have beenenough > to tan the hides of every bovine used for McDonald'shamburgers for > the next century, but I would like to add my "vote"to what Fred > mentioned, as I'm one of those 10% or so of maleswho suffer from the > inability to distinguish reds, greens, browns,and other similar > "earth tones". I freely admit that my XYL has to match a lot of my > clothing for me. In my professional career, I even encountered one > poor guy who had to use a hood over a 7-segment LED display (on the > front panel of a PDP11/34) to be able to read it, even though there > were no other colors in the immediate vicinity; he had to rely solely > on the relative brightness of the display. I can, I think, > differentiate a lot of colors,but my wife will tell you that it's a > guess at best, and usually wrong,and the accuracy depends strongly on > the color/temperature of the ambient light in the room. I score the > best accuracy in pure sunlight. > So, yes, some chromatic ergonomic engineering would be sincerely appreciated! tnx es 73, Brandy, N1HO > Fred Jensen, k6dgw, said, in part, > > "...red and green are probably the worst choices since defective > color vision is way more prevalent in males than females, the vast > majority of hams are male, and inability to distinguish red and green > is the most common color vision defect." -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 08:43:08 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:43:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C56A998-CC33-420D-B3FB-F040DE27AA71@comcast.net> You're right David. when I find the secret code, I'll post it to the list. I just didn't want to clutter it up with the prelims. 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 24, 2015, at 19:16, David Christ wrote: > > But that?s a problem of probable general interest and the results should end up in the archives. > > DavidK0LUM > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > >> I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. >> >> I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. >> >> It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> ______________________________________________________________ > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 10:00:40 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI/EMI and dealing with it Message-ID: Greetings, I am the relatively new owner of a KX3 and I've discovered somewhat of a problem: The switching power supplies that supply power to at least my laptop, an external display, the router, the desk lamp and possibly my speakers create S5-7 noise on all bands and S9 noise on some of them. I unplugged the power cable that controls the desk and the noise dropped to an S1-2. I plugged the main power cord back in and then started by unplugging individual items, keeping track of what I was plugging in and what the noise level was like. I placed an order on Amazon for some snap on ferrite beads and they should be here today. Having never had to track down the source of noise like this, I am unsure of where to place the beads to have the maximum effect to clear up the signals so I can enjoy operating from home... I'll add that I first noticed the high amounts of noise after I had strung up a wire inside the office because something had happened to my G5RV on the roof. I am suspecting bad coax on the G5RV as I have it working by playing with the coax. Neither of the PL-259s on my Comet CTC-50 window passthrough jumper (Landlord and XYL say no holes in the house.. :() are tightened down and I can hear stations in the noise. Tighten them down and I get silence. If I unplug the antenna from the side of the KX3, I get silence (well, unless the volume is up in the 30's or higher and I have the speakers connected) I can still hear noise but it doesn't register on the S meter. If anyone could help out a still somewhat new General with this, it would be appreciated. 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 From kx4o at hamradio.me Wed Feb 25 10:02:02 2015 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John Huggins, kx4o) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:02:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Adjustable RTY/PSK Idle Timeout Message-ID: Hi Don. I'm aware of the IM feature and I do make use of it during casual use. However, I'm trying to make the most of the CAT sending capability of the KX3 and USB cable in a contesting/event situation (like Field Day) using N1MM, but without audio interfacing. For N1MM macros can one embed this "IM" into a KY command string without it becoming an I followed by an M? I did try this, but it just comes out I and M as I suspected it would. On another KX3 group, Wayne mentioned other methods including sending 0x04 and using a | symbol. Neither seems to work in the N1MM macro context. The good news is I have successfully programmed the macro to terminate right after sending using this N1MM macro string designed for the VaQP... F1 Run CQ,{CATA1ASC KY CQ VQP CQ VQP;}{CATA1ASC KYW DE {MYCALL}{MYCALL} QRZ;}{CATA1ASC RX;} This nicely waits to execute that last "RX" command till after the last character is sent to the KX3, but the RX executes immediately cutting off that last character mid transmit. Somewhere somehow I need to introduce a delay between the last character sent and the execution of the RX command long enough to finish transmitting that last character in RTTY or PSK31. As I understand it, a RTTY character takes about 165 milliseconds to transmit and the worst case PSK31 character (10 bits) takes about 313 milliseconds. There are several potential solutions. First I would never want the RX command to change since having something that instantly takes the KX3 out of transmit is a good thing. So a new command (i.e. RXABE - RX after buffer empty?) that puts the KX3 into receive only after the character buffer has completed transmission might be nice. I suspect the simplest solution of all is for me to eliminate the RX command in the N1MM macro string and the KX3 provide a method to adjust that 4 second idle time to user preference. This could be: DATA_IDLE_TIME: 4s (default), 2s, 1s, 0.5s, etc. ...or maybe... DATA_IDLE_TIME: 4s (default), ASAP Where ASAP = 200 milliseconds for RTTY and 400 milliseconds for PSK31 At this point, I'd be happy with a 1 second idle time option to complement the 4s ragchew default. All hail software defined radios where feature requests like this actually have a possibility of implementation. John, kx4o On Wed, February 25, 2015 05:08, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > > Send the IM character to stop transmission immediately. That is sent as > a prosign would be - dit dit dah dah, and not as 2 letters. If you have > trouble sending it correctly, think of it as sending the numeral 2 without > the last dah. You can also imbed that character in memories. It will not > send anything in CW, but will end transmission immediately in data modes. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 2/24/2015 9:32 PM, John wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> Is the default 4 second idle timeout in the KX3's built-in keyer >> RTTY/PSK31 transmit feature something we can adjust to, say, 1/2 >> second? It seems all too often a response is well underway by the time >> the transmission ends in quick QSO conditions. >> From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 10:10:09 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:10:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In what way doesn?t it work on RTTY? Just not decoding? That could be an upper/lower sideband issue. After properly tuning an RTTY signal, click the RV (reverse) button on the bottom right and see if that corrects the decode. If so, you need some properly set up the K3 for decode on the band in question, or use fldigi to get it right (DATA vs. DATA-R) in the box to the upper right of the frequency readout. Of course, it could be other issues, but that?s the first that comes to mind. Generally data modes all operate on USB but the K3 doesn?t necessarily follow that, depending on your settings. I?m not sure about RTTY, whether it is USB on all bands or not. But anyway, changing the RV button will tell you if that is the issue. Ken WA8JXM > On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. > > I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. > > It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 10:16:57 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:16:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI/EMI and dealing with it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Switching power supplies can generate a lot of RFI if not properly designed and filtered (can you say ?lowest cost chinese bidder"?). The little wall-warts are often switching supplies and often poorly filtered. If they are your problem (easy to tell by unplugging them), you can replace them with better warts, or, if they are 12v, run them off of your main 12v supply. Ferrite beads might help, I would place them close to the wart itself. One of the best ways to tell if the noise is from inside your house is to run the rig off of battery power and throw the main breakers. If the noise drops, then you can hunt within your own domain. But if the noise remains, then it is external to your home. I?ve done the battery op trick here and the noise did not change, it?s incoming on the power line. Ken WA8JXM > On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am the relatively new owner of a KX3 and I've discovered somewhat of a > problem: The switching power supplies that supply power to at least my > laptop, an external display, the router, the desk lamp and possibly my > speakers create S5-7 noise on all bands and S9 noise on some of them. > > I unplugged the power cable that controls the desk and the noise dropped to > an S1-2. I plugged the main power cord back in and then started by > unplugging individual items, keeping track of what I was plugging in and > what the noise level was like. > > I placed an order on Amazon for some snap on ferrite beads and they should > be here today. Having never had to track down the source of noise like > this, I am unsure of where to place the beads to have the maximum effect to > clear up the signals so I can enjoy operating from home... > > I'll add that I first noticed the high amounts of noise after I had strung > up a wire inside the office because something had happened to my G5RV on > the roof. I am suspecting bad coax on the G5RV as I have it working by > playing with the coax. Neither of the PL-259s on my Comet CTC-50 window > passthrough jumper (Landlord and XYL say no holes in the house.. :() are > tightened down and I can hear stations in the noise. Tighten them down and > I get silence. If I unplug the antenna from the side of the KX3, I get > silence (well, unless the volume is up in the 30's or higher and I have the > speakers connected) I can still hear noise but it doesn't register on the S > meter. > > If anyone could help out a still somewhat new General with this, it would > be appreciated. From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Feb 25 10:20:28 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:20:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths Message-ID: Not necessarily. The old radio had the old synth, which cost something. The new radios have the new synth, which also cost something. If the two somethings are the same, the total costs of the old and new would be the same. But selling the new synth all by itself would still require charging something. That something would include amortization of development costs. So the new radios with the new synth could cost more, less, or the same, depending on the relative costs of the old and new components. Ted. KN1CBR >>> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:47:13 +1000 >From: Gary Gregory >To: Rick Bates >Cc: Elecraft List , Stan Gibbs KR7C > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might >assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller margin >to help defray design costs. >If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied to >boards sold separately. >Just curious. > >I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as >designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return trip >to >the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is accumulating dust >and age. > >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >On 25/02/2015 12:37 PM, "Rick Bates" wrote: > >> From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com Wed Feb 25 10:19:34 2015 From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:19:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi Message-ID: <20150225151934.MQR41.4432.root@cdptpa-web01> Dave suggested the HamLib option in fldigi as follows Next, in Fldigi in Config\Rig control, choose the Rig tab, then Hamlib. In Hamlib, check the box in front of Use Hamlib at the top. In Rig choose Elecraft K3/KX3 (Beta). In Device, choose your com port. Below that, set the Baud rate to 38400. On the left side, check the box for PTT via Hamlib command. Alternately, you can elect not to use either Hamlib or rigcat, but simply use VOX in the K3. This frees the cable for something else, but it does disable frequency tracking. Julie KT4JR From kt5d at charter.net Wed Feb 25 10:41:32 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (GDR) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New syn card Message-ID: It seems obvious to me this new upgrade is not for everybody. If you need, or want, what it does then buy it. If you don't, then don't. For some just the fact that an improvement is available is sufficient justification. For others it may fix an annoying problem. However for most of us I doubt this is necessary to enjoy our K3's. As for the Sherwood "score" again, who cares? Elecraft ultimately would be the most interested since it somehow validates in some folks minds that they make the best. Good for them. For my purposes even without the upgrade, they still have the best. I am an avid fly fisherman. Like just about any hobby, there are several manufacturers of high end equipment. There are about five makers of fly rods that dominate the high end market. They are all very fine rods but each just a little different enough that they have their own following. Invariably each claims to be "the best." I am friends with a long time fly shop owner who confided to me that, once you go above a certain dollar figure, they are all very fine and have very little differences. They all have this in common; all are very expensive and they get the job done, period. Beyond that personal tastes gets involved, something totally subjective with little to substantiate claims of superiority. Oh, and don't forget brand loyalty. When I was a dedicated Ten Tec fan I often heard the remark fanatic in reference to their users. Well, maybe, depends on your definition of fanatic! I have the K line and the KX3. Love every one of them and use them often. Ultimately, performance depends on the person sitting in front of the radio. They are tools that exceed my ability which is a good thing. I have room to grow and become a better operator. From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 10:43:47 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:43:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C64E2D4-2CF9-44D6-8189-67AB7DDB92A5@gmail.com> Jim, I don?t think I gave bad advice, I said I wasn?t sure about RTTY, right? That?s an invitation for someone more knowledgeable to jump in. But as you point out, RTTY is different from the other data modes, which use USB (actually DATA on the Upper Sideband). While factory defaults may be right on the K3, since it stores last used, it is often very easy to get it changed and not realize it. I know I had problems with a single band in digital and it turned out that that particular band was using the wrong sideband presumably due to my changing it at some point in the past. Also there is the issue with is the person using direct keying or AFSK which are different settings. fldigi would probably be using audio tones not direct keying although I think that?s possible. I am not an RTTY operator. Some digital modes operate upper or lower but I believe some must be upper. I think this is addressed on W1HKJ?s website. Ken WA8JXM > On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Jim's Desktop wrote: > > Ken, > You've given some bad advice. Having been on RTTY from 1963 through present with machines as well as computers now, the convention for RTTY has ALWAYS been LSB no matter which band you're on and the K3 treats it that way. Not all multi mode programs do it right though as apparently the programmer didn't thoroughly check the convention for the different modes. PSK-31 works no matter which sideband you use but I don't know about the other modes such as PSK-63, Olivia, etc., as I never use them. > > Jim - W0EB From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 25 10:47:48 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Installing old KPA100 in a 2nd K2? Message-ID: <1474292093.3584258.1424879268693.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have recently acquired a used K2, my 2nd (S/N 5133).? I am just wondering what it would take to install the KPA100 from my older (S/N 4509) K2 in the newer one and keep it usable with the old one too.? ?I have been perusing the KPA100 manual (current version) and it appears to me that all I need to know is on pages 23-25 and 55.? S/N 5133 is missing the Aux RF plug P6 on the RF board and (I think) the associated C224, so those need to be added.? The manual which came with it says CNTL-C42 is already 0.1 uF (to be confirmed)?and the MCU firmware is 2.04P.? The tasks on page 59 do not apply since the S/N is over 3000.? So it looks like all I have to do once RF-P6 and C224 are in place is to break off?pin 4?on CNTL-P4,?scrape off some paint?and plug in the KPA100.? Am I missing anything ?? No alignment steps which might make it incompatible with the older K2?? What about CAL tPA (p. 49 of KPA100 manual)?? Is this calibration stored in the K2 or the KPA100??73,Steve VE3SMA From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Feb 25 09:27:32 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 05:27:32 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Message-ID: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> Barry, Yes, remembering the pentode front end of my AN-ARC1 (modified for 2m AM) had a horrible Noise Figure (which impacted receive sensitivity). One could probably have a better NF with today's double balance mixers (which are commonly now the front end of HF receivers). This is done for best Blocking Dynamic performance. HF bands may often have -115 dBm noise levels (or higher) so sensitivity is not the main thing driving the design. Lower sideband noise of the new synthesizer will directly improve operating in a crowded band. For what I mainly do in ham radio, low noise figure is mandatory and sensitivity levels like -170 to -180 dBm are strived for. I am talking about eme (moonbounce). As frequency gets higher, sky noise drops rapidly so that receiver internally generated noise becomes the limiting factor. But low phase noise from the LO is also important. It is still somewhat controversial whether that is only in presence of strong adjacent frequency signals or even important for other reasons. I will update my K3 because its possible, so if that has potential of improving my weak-signal ability, my station will benefit. Synthesized PLL LO's are beginning to replace xtal LO's in microwave equipment and particular attention is given to low phase noise. I see the new synth as only good stuff, and spending a couple hundred bucks to keep my 5-year old radio up to current technology is pretty cheap, vs having to buy a brand new radio to get it. 73, Ed - KL7UW -------------------------------------------- From: k3ndm at comcast.net To: "Burdick, Wayne" Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <1691035197.17114594.1424829382558.JavaMail.zimbra at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm old enough to remember that the most important characteristic of a receiver was sensitivity. Nothing else seemed to matter. Some receivers of the time had 2 RF amplifiers to make sure that they won the sensitivity battle. And, what would happened when a strong signal, not necessarily S9, would appear, bad things happened to your radio. At this point I won't define the date. This lunacy was being looked at by a number engineers, to include Dr. Ulrich Rhode, W2 something. I forget his call. He said in a series of papers in professional journals and Ham Radio Magazine that sensitivity was not the most important parameter at the time. It would turn out to be LO noise sidebands and dynamic range. That still holds today, and now, IMHO, ultimate rejection should be added. All of this is shown in Sherwood's data. What this all means is that all of the receiver parameters must be looked at to decide what makes a great radio. I suggest a review of some of Rhode's papers. His writings make extremely interesting reading as it addresses this discussion directly. 73, Barry K3NDM 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From dave at lanks.plus.com Wed Feb 25 11:49:12 2015 From: dave at lanks.plus.com (Dave Lankshear) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:49:12 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] WTB K3EXREF Message-ID: <7D0FEDA543AB4C019E3136CB117233E8@DaveLLaptop> If you no longer have need of your K3EXREF kit, I'd like to purchase it from you: I have an urge to play! If needs be, it can be shipped to an address in CONUS and I'll pay in USD via PayPal. Thanks for reading, guys. 73 Dave G3TJP From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 12:10:53 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:10:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and FLDigi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27D74977-A99F-4CAD-A8B9-B35FC3B7DE34@comcast.net> With a lot of help from people here, it's working. I'm using an iMic USB sound card. Sound setup in a Mac is tedious. Adjust the level to 3 or 4 bars on the K3 ALC meter. I was unable to get the flickering bar. My slider took me from 3 bars to 7 with the least I could move the slider. In fldigi, select the Configure menu item, then Rig Control. On the dialog that appears select the Rig tab, then the Hamlib tab. For Rig, choose Elecraft K3/KX5 (Beta). Device, choose the serial port that connects the 'puter to the K3. Baud Rate to 38400(must match what the K3 is set to), 1 stop bit. Sideband is Rig Mode Check Use Hamlib and PTT via Hamlib command. Click Initialize, and Save. I don't like this arrangement, because I want my logging program to connect to the K3, but if this isn't set, then fldigi doesn't generate any tones. There has to a way to key using VOX. Select the Audio tab and set your sound IO. Click Save. Operator info was filled in. Click Save and Close. Click Op Mode and choose RTTY, then your RTTY flavor. That sets the box in the lower left corner of the screen to RTTY. Don't click on that box and change anything there. There is a box and down arrow just under the frequency display. Set that and it changes the mode on the K3, so I choose RTTY. The DATA sub-mode on the K3 is AFSK A. Any further info welcome! 73, Mike NF4L > On Feb 24, 2015, at 13:09, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote: > > I've been using CocoaModem, but since Chen isn't supporting it anymore, I feel the need to move on. > > I'm trying to get fldigi working, hopefully with RUMLogNG. > > It decodes CW but not RTTY, and doesn't transmit either. I suspect off-line would be best. > > 73, Mike NF4L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 25 12:36:53 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Rob S. via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:36:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1424885813.73276.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Wayne, Will other radios that have the revised synthesizer board upgraded in the field need to perform the receive gain calibration in order to correct the AGC threshold issue as well? ?Is this something that will change upon installing the new board? 73, Rob ?KB2KUU Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:57:23 PM? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't have its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity threshold issue Rob observed. 73,? Wayne? N6KR? From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 25 12:54:54 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <1424885813.73276.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1424885813.73276.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Rob S. via Elecraft wrote: > Wayne, > > Will other radios that have the revised synthesizer board upgraded in the field need to perform the receive gain calibration in order to correct the AGC threshold issue as well? > Is this something that will change upon installing the new board? No. This only affected Rob's test K3 because we apparently missed this step when we sent it to him. Wayne N6kR From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Feb 25 13:03:37 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:03:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI/EMI and dealing with it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EE0E79.9070902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Joshua, Several years ago, I wrote a tutorial on RFI and how to deal with it. k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,2/25/2015 7:00 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: > Greetings, > > I am the relatively new owner of a KX3 and I've discovered somewhat of a > problem: The switching power supplies that supply power to at least my > laptop, an external display, the router, the desk lamp and possibly my > speakers create S5-7 noise on all bands and S9 noise on some of them. > > I unplugged the power cable that controls the desk and the noise dropped to > an S1-2. I plugged the main power cord back in and then started by > unplugging individual items, keeping track of what I was plugging in and > what the noise level was like. > > I placed an order on Amazon for some snap on ferrite beads and they should > be here today. Having never had to track down the source of noise like > this, I am unsure of where to place the beads to have the maximum effect to > clear up the signals so I can enjoy operating from home... > > I'll add that I first noticed the high amounts of noise after I had strung > up a wire inside the office because something had happened to my G5RV on > the roof. I am suspecting bad coax on the G5RV as I have it working by > playing with the coax. Neither of the PL-259s on my Comet CTC-50 window > passthrough jumper (Landlord and XYL say no holes in the house.. :() are > tightened down and I can hear stations in the noise. Tighten them down and > I get silence. If I unplug the antenna from the side of the KX3, I get > silence (well, unless the volume is up in the 30's or higher and I have the > speakers connected) I can still hear noise but it doesn't register on the S > meter. > > If anyone could help out a still somewhat new General with this, it would > be appreciated. > > 72, > Joshua Gould > K8WXA > EM89pn > > KX3# 7480 > NAQCC # 7704 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From edujoseg at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 13:03:25 2015 From: edujoseg at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Eduardo_Gonz=C3=A1lez?=) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:33:25 -0430 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI/EMI and dealing with it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua. I suggest using EMI/RFI filters in a box. For example, Corcom 10VR1 into a metallic box with male and female AC outlets to connect AC power of PCs, Laptop, etc. Preferably, the length of power cord from box to equipment must be short as possible. Edu YV4GMJ On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Ken wrote: > Switching power supplies can generate a lot of RFI if not properly designed and filtered (can you say ?lowest cost chinese bidder"?). The little wall-warts are often switching supplies and often poorly filtered. If they are your problem (easy to tell by unplugging them), you can replace them with better warts, or, if they are 12v, run them off of your main 12v supply. > > Ferrite beads might help, I would place them close to the wart itself. > > One of the best ways to tell if the noise is from inside your house is to run the rig off of battery power and throw the main breakers. If the noise drops, then you can hunt within your own domain. But if the noise remains, then it is external to your home. > > I?ve done the battery op trick here and the noise did not change, it?s incoming on the power line. > > Ken WA8JXM > > >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Joshua Gould wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I am the relatively new owner of a KX3 and I've discovered somewhat of a >> problem: The switching power supplies that supply power to at least my >> laptop, an external display, the router, the desk lamp and possibly my >> speakers create S5-7 noise on all bands and S9 noise on some of them. >> >> I unplugged the power cable that controls the desk and the noise dropped to >> an S1-2. I plugged the main power cord back in and then started by >> unplugging individual items, keeping track of what I was plugging in and >> what the noise level was like. >> >> I placed an order on Amazon for some snap on ferrite beads and they should >> be here today. Having never had to track down the source of noise like >> this, I am unsure of where to place the beads to have the maximum effect to >> clear up the signals so I can enjoy operating from home... >> >> I'll add that I first noticed the high amounts of noise after I had strung >> up a wire inside the office because something had happened to my G5RV on >> the roof. I am suspecting bad coax on the G5RV as I have it working by >> playing with the coax. Neither of the PL-259s on my Comet CTC-50 window >> passthrough jumper (Landlord and XYL say no holes in the house.. :() are >> tightened down and I can hear stations in the noise. Tighten them down and >> I get silence. If I unplug the antenna from the side of the KX3, I get >> silence (well, unless the volume is up in the 30's or higher and I have the >> speakers connected) I can still hear noise but it doesn't register on the S >> meter. >> >> If anyone could help out a still somewhat new General with this, it would >> be appreciated. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to edujoseg at gmail.com From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 25 13:46:59 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:46:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted, You have it backwards. The market sets the end sell price. The company then determines if it can provide that product/service (looking at all their costs) and still make a profit. And it is not as simple as I have stated. Outrageous profits for products/services do not last a long time in the marketplace. Competition comes in. Apple comes to mind. Outrageous losses for products/services do not last a long time in the marketplace. The biz folds. Countless examples. There are careers dedicated to "setting" prices in the market place. Their livelihood depends on getting it right. And then you have the Strategic element in the overall business that enters the equation, and.............................. A career! Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths Not necessarily. The old radio had the old synth, which cost something. The new radios have the new synth, which also cost something. If the two somethings are the same, the total costs of the old and new would be the same. But selling the new synth all by itself would still require charging something. That something would include amortization of development costs. So the new radios with the new synth could cost more, less, or the same, depending on the relative costs of the old and new components. Ted. KN1CBR >>> > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:47:13 +1000 >From: Gary Gregory >To: Rick Bates >Cc: Elecraft List , Stan Gibbs KR7C > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might >assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller >margin to help defray design costs. >If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied >to boards sold separately. >Just curious. > >I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as >designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return >trip to the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is >accumulating dust and age. > >Gary >Vk1ZZ >K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >On 25/02/2015 12:37 PM, "Rick Bates" wrote: > >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Feb 25 14:19:19 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:19:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: <201522581120.802836@Shack> References: <1691035197.17114594.1424829382558.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <201522581120.802836@Shack> Message-ID: Progress lurches forward. Someone I am sure asked "what are we going to use this high temperature material for, we are never going to the moon" Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stewart Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:11 AM To: k3ndm at comcast.net; Burdick, Wayne Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests I can't help thinking that we are getting to a point where this number chasing is irrelevant. Until high noise levels caused by EMI and the poor transmitted signals during DX hunting and contests are eliminated, further improvements in receive performance figures are unlikely to be of much practical value. My 2p's worth... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:56:22 +0000 (UTC), k3ndm at comcast.net wrote: > I'm old enough to remember that the most important characteristic of a receiver was sensitivity. Nothing else seemed to matter. Some receivers of the time had 2 RF amplifiers to make sure that they won the sensitivity battle. And, what would happened when a strong signal, not necessarily S9, would appear, bad things happened to your radio. At this point I won't define the date. > > This lunacy was being looked at by a number engineers, to include Dr. > Ulrich Rhode, W2 something. I forget his call. He said in a series of papers in professional journals and Ham Radio Magazine that sensitivity was not the most important parameter at the time. It would turn out to be LO noise sidebands and dynamic range. That still holds today, and now, IMHO, ultimate rejection should be added. All of this is shown in Sherwood's data. What this all means is that all of the receiver parameters must be looked at to decide what makes a great radio. I suggest a review of some of Rhode's papers. His writings make extremely interesting reading as it addresses this discussion directly. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wayne Burdick" > To: "Chester Alderman" > Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:57:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests > > Just to complete the point about this: The K3 tested probably didn't > have its S-meter calibration ("RX gain cal") completed before we sent it to Rob, an oversight on our part. This procedure is fully automated by the K3 Utility program, and definitely would have corrected the sensitivity threshold issue Rob observed. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Some on this list are still mistaking this column of Sherwood's chart >> as *receiver sensitivity*. I believe it is a measurement of AGC threshold. The K3's receiver sensitivity (MDS) is excellent by any measure; see the "noise floor" column. (Side-note: It's interesting that the preamp-off sensitivity of the tested K3 was -136 dBm, while that of the Flex 6700 was -118 dBm -- an 18-dB difference. One would have to leave the preamp ON much more often with the '6700. As Sherwood noted, this maximizes the '6700's dynamic range, but you'd also be hitting the A/D that much harder.) >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Feb 24, 2015, at 12:24 PM, "Chester Alderman" >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________ >>> From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:59 PM >>> To: 'Yngvi (TF3Y)' >>> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' >>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >>> >>> >>> Hi Yvgvi, >>> >>> I wonder, given atmospheric noise levels, if that is really going to >>> be noticed by the operator. I seriously doubt It would be noticed in a contest? >>> >>> 73, >>> Tom - W4BQF >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >>> Of Yngvi >>> (TF3Y) >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:26 PM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests >>> >>> These are interesting stats. >>> >>> One thing I noticed was the apparent loss in sensitivity as measured >>> by Sherwood. This is probably not a big issue for most these days >>> with the ever increasing noise levels but for the few in silent locations, incl. >>> some DXpeditions this might be an issue. >>> >>> Any comments on this? >>> >>> 73, Yngvi TF3Y >>> http://www.tf3y.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> n6kr at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k3ndm at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > stewart at twinwood.me ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Feb 25 15:14:01 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:14:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think that is not correct, since I wasn?t referring to prices. I was referring to costs - i.e the inputs. In microeconomics the difference between costs and prices is fundamental. Most people conflate the two in ordinary speech; but they are different. Edward A. Dauer Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 2/25/15, 11:46 AM, "jim" wrote: >Ted, > >You have it backwards. > >The market sets the end sell price. The company then determines if it can >provide that product/service (looking at all their costs) and still make a >profit. > >And it is not as simple as I have stated. > >Outrageous profits for products/services do not last a long time in the >marketplace. Competition comes in. Apple comes to mind. > >Outrageous losses for products/services do not last a long time in the >marketplace. The biz folds. Countless examples. > >There are careers dedicated to "setting" prices in the market place. >Their >livelihood depends on getting it right. > >And then you have the Strategic element in the overall business that >enters >the equation, and.............................. > >A career! > >Jim >W6AIM > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Dauer, >Edward >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:20 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths > >Not necessarily. The old radio had the old synth, which cost something. >The new radios have the new synth, which also cost something. If the two >somethings are the same, the total costs of the old and new would be the >same. But selling the new synth all by itself would still require >charging >something. That something would include amortization of development >costs. >So the new radios with the new synth could cost more, less, or the same, >depending on the relative costs of the old and new components. > >Ted. KN1CBR > >>>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 14 >>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:47:13 +1000 >>From: Gary Gregory >>To: Rick Bates >>Cc: Elecraft List , Stan Gibbs KR7C >> >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards >>Message-ID: >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >>Hmmmm....if a new board is $200 as a standalone upgrade item, one might >>assume it would increase the cost of a new k3 by at least a smaller >>margin to help defray design costs. >>If not then one could ponder if these other factors are simply applied >>to boards sold separately. >>Just curious. >> >>I wont be upgrading just yet....first job is to get my K3 to work as >>designed. Being an older serial number it has "issues" and a return >>trip to the factory is over $850.00 AUD sadly, so for now it is >>accumulating dust and age. >> >>Gary >>Vk1ZZ >>K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. >>On 25/02/2015 12:37 PM, "Rick Bates" wrote: >> >>> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message >delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > From don at w3fpr.com Wed Feb 25 15:30:14 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:30:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Adjustable RTY/PSK Idle Timeout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EE30D6.3080209@w3fpr.com> John, It sounds like you have accomplished a workaround the problem of N1MM not being able to send either the 0x04 or the 'pipe' character (|). That is an N1MM failing IMHO and not something that the KX3 (or the K3) should make provisions for. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 10:02 AM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote: > Hi Don. > > I'm aware of the IM feature and I do make use of it during casual use. > However, I'm trying to make the most of the CAT sending capability of the > KX3 and USB cable in a contesting/event situation (like Field Day) using > N1MM, but without audio interfacing. > > For N1MM macros can one embed this "IM" into a KY command string without > it becoming an I followed by an M? I did try this, but it just comes out > I and M as I suspected it would. On another KX3 group, Wayne mentioned > other methods including sending 0x04 and using a | symbol. Neither seems > to work in the N1MM macro context. > > The good news is I have successfully programmed the macro to terminate > right after sending using this N1MM macro string designed for the VaQP... > > F1 Run CQ,{CATA1ASC KY CQ VQP CQ VQP;}{CATA1ASC KYW DE {MYCALL}{MYCALL} > QRZ;}{CATA1ASC RX;} > > This nicely waits to execute that last "RX" command till after the last > character is sent to the KX3, but the RX executes immediately cutting off > that last character mid transmit. Somewhere somehow I need to introduce a > delay between the last character sent and the execution of the RX command > long enough to finish transmitting that last character in RTTY or PSK31. > As I understand it, a RTTY character takes about 165 milliseconds to > transmit and the worst case PSK31 character (10 bits) takes about 313 > milliseconds. > > There are several potential solutions. > > First I would never want the RX command to change since having something > that instantly takes the KX3 out of transmit is a good thing. So a new > command (i.e. RXABE - RX after buffer empty?) that puts the KX3 into > receive only after the character buffer has completed transmission might > be nice. > > I suspect the simplest solution of all is for me to eliminate the RX > command in the N1MM macro string and the KX3 provide a method to adjust > that 4 second idle time to user preference. This could be: > > DATA_IDLE_TIME: 4s (default), 2s, 1s, 0.5s, etc. > > ...or maybe... > > DATA_IDLE_TIME: 4s (default), ASAP > > Where ASAP = 200 milliseconds for RTTY and 400 milliseconds for PSK31 > > At this point, I'd be happy with a 1 second idle time option to complement > the 4s ragchew default. > > All hail software defined radios where feature requests like this actually > have a possibility of implementation. > > John, kx4o > > On Wed, February 25, 2015 05:08, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> John, >> >> >> Send the IM character to stop transmission immediately. That is sent as >> a prosign would be - dit dit dah dah, and not as 2 letters. If you have >> trouble sending it correctly, think of it as sending the numeral 2 without >> the last dah. You can also imbed that character in memories. It will not >> send anything in CW, but will end transmission immediately in data modes. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 2/24/2015 9:32 PM, John wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> Is the default 4 second idle timeout in the KX3's built-in keyer >>> RTTY/PSK31 transmit feature something we can adjust to, say, 1/2 >>> second? It seems all too often a response is well underway by the time >>> the transmission ends in quick QSO conditions. >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From m5kvk at m5kvk.org Wed Feb 25 15:50:27 2015 From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:50:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Confused when calibrating 4MHz oscillator Message-ID: I know this has been done to death on here, but I'm confused. I'm following Wayne's procedure to calibrate the 4MHz oscillator. I'm using Radio China International on 9600kHz. By comparing the Rx audio on the K2 with that received on another receiver, I see that the Dial f on the K2 is 9600.44kHz. Now, according to Wayne's instructions, I adjust C22 whilst comparing TP1 and TP2. Now,the audio pitch, and thus my subjective comparison of the correct frequency, is being determined partly by the BFO frequency isn't it? So, surely this approach is flawed? What am I missing? Gareth - M5KVK From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Wed Feb 25 16:35:17 2015 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:35:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. Message-ID: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> Hi This is probably finger trouble, but I cannot see what the problem is, so I wonder if anyone knows what is going on. I have a K3, Sigalink and HRD/DM780. For voice and CW including using the winkeyer all works fine including CAT. However I get a transmit lockup in data mode. I am using vox from the Sigalink to control the K3 PTT. I have K3 power turned to zero. I set the K3 in data mode and send some data and all is well relays go over tries to send some data goes back to receive. If I plug in the RS232 cable and send some data all works well, the Sigalink drops PTT, buy the K3 locks in transmit and will not come out of transmit until I power cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable has no effect unless I power cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable and all works exactly as expected. I have configured ptt to off-off. Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong here? Many thanks Stewart/G3YSX From k3ndm at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 17:01:32 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (k3ndm at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering In-Reply-To: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> References: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Ed, I haven't checked but a few HF receivers. However, the ones I did showed noise figures of anywhere from 15 to 23 db, which is adequate for most HF work until you get up to the higher end. Pre-amps were invented for that. Before 2 db or better noise figure MOSFETS or eqiv. there was the parametric amplifier for those who wanted the best of noise figures for EME or other really low signal levels. I'm really glad technology makes life easier by replacing those evil little monsters. I, for one, never want to use a paramp again for the rest of my life. In my early years, there was CCIR-322 that defined the expected value of atmospheric noise by location, etc. I remember that 80 meters had an expected value of about 80 db Fa, or equivalent NF. and that tapered off until you hit galactic noise around 15-18 MHZ. All of which is/was below the average HF receiver noise figure. Where life gets interesting is that atmospheric noise in mostly lightning propagated from the tropics. Why is this important? because even on 10 meters the noise goes up when the band is open. This argument's premiss is that most receivers are over designed if sensitivity is the only parameter used to defined performance. If you find yourself in a position where your receiver noise figure at the moment is inadequate, having a pre-amp may help. Why the hedge? well, let's consider the last weekend's DX contest. 10 was crazy open with many very strong signals sitting side by side with weaker to much weaker signals. Had I turned on my pre-amp, and had I not owned a KX3, the result could have been that the strong signals might have hidden the weaker ones due to an apparent increase in the receiver noise floor caused by the mixing of strong signals with other noise. My receiver would have appeared to be less sensitive than it would have been with the pre-amp turned off. This was also the position that was written up by Rhode and others who stated that we were at a point where signal handling was as important or more important than just how sensitive the receiver was. And, ultimate filtering and shape factors have a place in this as it helps keep strong signals away from weak ones. However, there are other attributes of receiver design that help define just how good a radio will be. Unfortunately, some of them interact, and not always the best way. Bob Sherwood measures and publishes data that can help a perspective buyer make some guess what receiver would work best in a particular shack. The rankings are his opinion. Admittedly, buying a radio in his top rankings shouldn't disappoint, but all of the data should be looked at. And price is certainly a parameter that needs to be considered along with Bob's data. I still recommend that those not familiar with why receivers work and how they function in a real environment search out some of the work printed in the 60's and 70's on receivers design. They contain minimal math and are a good discussion of the real receiver issues. That should put Bob's work in perspective and help make sense of the data. And, IMHO, using a K3 or KX3 is the way to go. And for me, my requirement set drove me to the KX3, and I haven't been disappointed. 73, Barry K3NDM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole" To: "elecraft" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 9:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Barry, Yes, remembering the pentode front end of my AN-ARC1 (modified for 2m AM) had a horrible Noise Figure (which impacted receive sensitivity). One could probably have a better NF with today's double balance mixers (which are commonly now the front end of HF receivers). This is done for best Blocking Dynamic performance. HF bands may often have -115 dBm noise levels (or higher) so sensitivity is not the main thing driving the design. Lower sideband noise of the new synthesizer will directly improve operating in a crowded band. For what I mainly do in ham radio, low noise figure is mandatory and sensitivity levels like -170 to -180 dBm are strived for. I am talking about eme (moonbounce). As frequency gets higher, sky noise drops rapidly so that receiver internally generated noise becomes the limiting factor. But low phase noise from the LO is also important. It is still somewhat controversial whether that is only in presence of strong adjacent frequency signals or even important for other reasons. I will update my K3 because its possible, so if that has potential of improving my weak-signal ability, my station will benefit. Synthesized PLL LO's are beginning to replace xtal LO's in microwave equipment and particular attention is given to low phase noise. I see the new synth as only good stuff, and spending a couple hundred bucks to keep my 5-year old radio up to current technology is pretty cheap, vs having to buy a brand new radio to get it. 73, Ed - KL7UW -------------------------------------------- From: k3ndm at comcast.net To: "Burdick, Wayne" Cc: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering Tests Message-ID: <1691035197.17114594.1424829382558.JavaMail.zimbra at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm old enough to remember that the most important characteristic of a receiver was sensitivity. Nothing else seemed to matter. Some receivers of the time had 2 RF amplifiers to make sure that they won the sensitivity battle. And, what would happened when a strong signal, not necessarily S9, would appear, bad things happened to your radio. At this point I won't define the date. This lunacy was being looked at by a number engineers, to include Dr. Ulrich Rhode, W2 something. I forget his call. He said in a series of papers in professional journals and Ham Radio Magazine that sensitivity was not the most important parameter at the time. It would turn out to be LO noise sidebands and dynamic range. That still holds today, and now, IMHO, ultimate rejection should be added. All of this is shown in Sherwood's data. What this all means is that all of the receiver parameters must be looked at to decide what makes a great radio. I suggest a review of some of Rhode's papers. His writings make extremely interesting reading as it addresses this discussion directly. 73, Barry K3NDM 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:09:20 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:09:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Confused when calibrating 4MHz oscillator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EE4810.6020208@embarqmail.com> Garth, That approach is not flawed. When you tune in any signal of a known frequency (in either LSB or USB mode), when you have it tuned properly (for audio), then the actual BFO frequency subtracted from the VFO frequency will be exactly the carrier frequency of that station. Once you have properly tuned in the station, enter the menu for CAL FCTR and alternate the internal counter probe between TP1 and TP2 - then adjust C22 until the frequency read at TP1 minus the frequency read at TP3 is equal the frequency of the station. Since your chosen station is on an frequency that ends in two zeros, you can ignore the high order digits in the display and adjust C22 until the low order 4 digits are equal. and save yourself the continual subtraction process (but double check when you think you have it correct. That is only half the job - since the K2 does not use the frequency of the 4 MHz Reference directly for the dial reading. You must follow the C22 adjustment with a run of CAL PLL followed by CAL FIL. In CAL FIL, you must 'change' each BFO frequency. If it was correctly aligned before, move it up one bit and move it back down to the original setting. Do the whole process in one sitting so that the 4 MHz oscillator does not drift between the setting of C22 and the run of CAL PLL and CAL FIL. The short term stability for the 4 MHz oscillator is good, but the long term not so. After you have done all that, your K2 should be on frequency - allow a +/- 20 Hz error since that is the BFO DAC resolution limit. If it is worse than that limit, repeat the entire procedure, going back to the adjustment of C22. If you need more detailed information on the process, look at the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website www.w3fpr.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 3:50 PM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote: > I know this has been done to death on here, but I'm confused. > > I'm following Wayne's procedure to calibrate the 4MHz oscillator. I'm using > Radio China International on 9600kHz. By comparing the Rx audio on the K2 > with that received on another receiver, I see that the Dial f on the K2 is > 9600.44kHz. > > Now, according to Wayne's instructions, I adjust C22 whilst comparing TP1 > and TP2. > > Now,the audio pitch, and thus my subjective comparison of the correct > frequency, is being determined partly by the BFO frequency isn't it? So, > surely this approach is flawed? > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:23:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:23:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. In-Reply-To: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> Stewart, By saying you are "using VOX in Signalink to control PTT" are you saying that you are using the PTT output of Signalink to control transmission? With a cable to the PTT jack? You mentioned the "RS-232 cable" which makes me wonder which of the Signalink "Radio Cables" you are using. I am going to assume you are using the SLUSBK3 cable which connects to the K3 reap panel audio jacks and the PTT jack. If so, do you also have VOX set on in the K3. This is a common problem if both Signalink PTT and the K3 VOX are active. Unplug the PTT cable from the Signalink and just use the VOX in the K3, or turn off VOX in the K3 and use the PTT from Signalink - your choice, but do not use both. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 4:35 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Hi > > This is probably finger trouble, but I cannot see > what the problem is, so I wonder if anyone > knows what is going on. > > I have a K3, Sigalink and HRD/DM780. > > For voice and CW including using the winkeyer all > works fine including CAT. > > However I get a transmit lockup in data mode. > > I am using vox from the Sigalink to control the K3 PTT. > > I have K3 power turned to zero. > > I set the K3 in data mode and send some data and all is well > relays go over tries to send some data goes back to receive. > > If I plug in the RS232 cable and send some data all works > well, the Sigalink drops PTT, buy the K3 locks in > transmit and will not come out of transmit until I power > cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable has no effect unless > I power cycle the K3. > > Removing the RS232 cable and all works exactly as expected. > > I have configured ptt to off-off. > > Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong here? > > Many thanks > > Stewart/G3YSX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Wed Feb 25 17:30:52 2015 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:30:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. In-Reply-To: <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> References: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> Hi Don Thanks for the reply. On 25/02/2015 22:23, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Stewart, > > By saying you are "using VOX in Signalink to control PTT" are you > saying that you are using the PTT output of Signalink to control > transmission? With a cable to the PTT jack? Yes, that is how it is configured. > > You mentioned the "RS-232 cable" which makes me wonder which of the > Signalink "Radio Cables" you are using. I am going to assume you are > using the SLUSBK3 cable which connects to the K3 reap panel audio > jacks and the PTT jack. Correct. > > If so, do you also have VOX set on in the K3. No, I turned this off. > > This is a common problem if both Signalink PTT and the K3 VOX are > active. Unplug the PTT cable from the Signalink and just use the VOX > in the K3, or turn off VOX in the K3 and use the PTT from Signalink - > your choice, but do not use both. The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, but the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to be ignored, shouldn't it? 73 Stewart/G3YSX > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/25/2015 4:35 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> Hi >> >> This is probably finger trouble, but I cannot see >> what the problem is, so I wonder if anyone >> knows what is going on. >> >> I have a K3, Sigalink and HRD/DM780. >> >> For voice and CW including using the winkeyer all >> works fine including CAT. >> >> However I get a transmit lockup in data mode. >> >> I am using vox from the Sigalink to control the K3 PTT. >> >> I have K3 power turned to zero. >> >> I set the K3 in data mode and send some data and all is well >> relays go over tries to send some data goes back to receive. >> >> If I plug in the RS232 cable and send some data all works >> well, the Sigalink drops PTT, buy the K3 locks in >> transmit and will not come out of transmit until I power >> cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable has no effect unless >> I power cycle the K3. >> >> Removing the RS232 cable and all works exactly as expected. >> >> I have configured ptt to off-off. >> >> Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong here? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 25 17:38:38 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:38:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EE4EEE.1040803@socal.rr.com> On 2/25/15, 10:46 AM, jim wrote: > Outrageous profits for products/services do not last a long time in the > marketplace. Competition comes in. Apple comes to mind. Really? Apple still seems to be doing quite well :-) Phil W7OX From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:48:22 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:48:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status Message-ID: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman about the status a bit ago. As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. 73, Rick wa6nhc From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 25 18:00:55 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 23:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer Message-ID: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone else having trouble with milliwatt TX gain Cal using the new synthesizer boardOr is it just me.Also on the RF power out only one bar is lite up.If I set power to 0 dbm (1 milliwatt) it only shows -12.0 dbm ( .06 mw) Thanks Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM From k1whs at metrocast.net Wed Feb 25 18:10:26 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 23:10:26 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer References: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <696B0A71C2AE45BE80944A8A62C2ED5A@t30ce0d73e1b34> I just built a K3 (#8858) with the new synthesizer, and did the milliwatt calibration without a hitch. I set it for 1.5 mw max output, but possibly you did not crank the power up high enough when you started. I made that mistake reading the power level and got low output. I used a power meter and am seeing 1.0 Milliwatt out on three transverter bands with the K3 dial indicating 0 dBm. Dave K1WHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Roberson via Elecraft" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:00 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer > Anyone else having trouble with milliwatt TX gain Cal using the new > synthesizer boardOr is it just me.Also on the RF power out only one bar is > lite up.If I set power to 0 dbm (1 milliwatt) it only shows -12.0 dbm ( > .06 mw) > Thanks > Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 25 18:11:39 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:11:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. In-Reply-To: <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <54EE56AB.3040402@subich.com> > The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and > FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, > but the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to > be ignored, shouldn't it? It's not the CAT control (RTS-DTR) lines you need to worry about. It is sending TX ON and OX OFF commands via CAT that causes the problem. *Either* use PTT via CAT COMMANDS *or* use the VOX in Signalink/K3 but don't use both. It is when you mix CAT commands and external PTT or VOX that you get the "hang" problem. In DM780 you can use PTT on the DTR line *don't* use CAT commands. In Fldigi *do not* use "CAT command for PTT" - instead use "Toggle DTR for PTT". *Many* rigs appear to have a race condition in processing CAT based PTT commands and hardware (DTR) PTT. I do not know the internals but it appears they ignore the hardware PTT while processing the CAT command and if the hardware PTT disappears at the wrong time the CAT TX OFF is ignored and then there is no hardware PTT off. In almost every case simply "bumping" the PTT button on the mic will release the stuck PTT. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-25 5:30 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Hi Don > > Thanks for the reply. > > On 25/02/2015 22:23, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Stewart, >> >> By saying you are "using VOX in Signalink to control PTT" are you >> saying that you are using the PTT output of Signalink to control >> transmission? With a cable to the PTT jack? > Yes, that is how it is configured. >> >> You mentioned the "RS-232 cable" which makes me wonder which of the >> Signalink "Radio Cables" you are using. I am going to assume you are >> using the SLUSBK3 cable which connects to the K3 reap panel audio >> jacks and the PTT jack. > Correct. >> >> If so, do you also have VOX set on in the K3. > No, I turned this off. >> >> This is a common problem if both Signalink PTT and the K3 VOX are >> active. Unplug the PTT cable from the Signalink and just use the VOX >> in the K3, or turn off VOX in the K3 and use the PTT from Signalink - >> your choice, but do not use both. > The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and > FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, but > the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to be > ignored, shouldn't it? > > 73 > > Stewart/G3YSX >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/25/2015 4:35 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> This is probably finger trouble, but I cannot see >>> what the problem is, so I wonder if anyone >>> knows what is going on. >>> >>> I have a K3, Sigalink and HRD/DM780. >>> >>> For voice and CW including using the winkeyer all >>> works fine including CAT. >>> >>> However I get a transmit lockup in data mode. >>> >>> I am using vox from the Sigalink to control the K3 PTT. >>> >>> I have K3 power turned to zero. >>> >>> I set the K3 in data mode and send some data and all is well >>> relays go over tries to send some data goes back to receive. >>> >>> If I plug in the RS232 cable and send some data all works >>> well, the Sigalink drops PTT, buy the K3 locks in >>> transmit and will not come out of transmit until I power >>> cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable has no effect unless >>> I power cycle the K3. >>> >>> Removing the RS232 cable and all works exactly as expected. >>> >>> I have configured ptt to off-off. >>> >>> Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong here? >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> Stewart/G3YSX >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >>> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 25 18:15:09 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) and still have not received shipping info. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm > tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman > about the status a bit ago. > > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps > sooner, perhaps not. > > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By > then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From don at w3fpr.com Wed Feb 25 18:16:02 2015 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. In-Reply-To: <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <54EE57B2.2010800@w3fpr.com> Stewart, There are many "sneak paths" for PTT between data mode software and the Signalink. The Signalink has its own virtual VOX circuit that produces a PTT line closure. Fldigi and whichever rig control you are using with it can produce PTT via CAT command (through the RS-232 connection) without an actual PTT connection. DM780 can be set to do PTT through HRD, which is essentially the same as above (PTT via RS-232 command). I would suggest that you look for something that duplicates the PTT operation in either the software or the Signalink. Once that is found, I think that will be the answer to your problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 5:30 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > Hi Don > > Thanks for the reply. > > On 25/02/2015 22:23, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Stewart, >> >> By saying you are "using VOX in Signalink to control PTT" are you >> saying that you are using the PTT output of Signalink to control >> transmission? With a cable to the PTT jack? > Yes, that is how it is configured. >> >> You mentioned the "RS-232 cable" which makes me wonder which of the >> Signalink "Radio Cables" you are using. I am going to assume you are >> using the SLUSBK3 cable which connects to the K3 reap panel audio >> jacks and the PTT jack. > Correct. >> >> If so, do you also have VOX set on in the K3. > No, I turned this off. >> >> This is a common problem if both Signalink PTT and the K3 VOX are >> active. Unplug the PTT cable from the Signalink and just use the VOX >> in the K3, or turn off VOX in the K3 and use the PTT from Signalink - >> your choice, but do not use both. > The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and > FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, but > the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to be > ignored, shouldn't it? > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:24:21 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:24:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EE59A5.1050301@embarqmail.com> Ken, Go to the K3 beta firmware and download 5.13. Yes, it is beta right now, but it solves several problems and if no problems with it in the next few days, it will be promoted to production status. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 6:00 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: > Anyone else having trouble with milliwatt TX gain Cal using the new synthesizer boardOr is it just me.Also on the RF power out only one bar is lite up.If I set power to 0 dbm (1 milliwatt) it only shows -12.0 dbm ( .06 mw) > Thanks > From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Feb 25 18:21:52 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:21:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <5257545D-2016-4C96-BB07-369C867FC0FC@gmail.com> References: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> <5257545D-2016-4C96-BB07-369C867FC0FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54EE5910.8070500@foothill.net> Is this some form of WSPR or QRSS? Neither existed when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line, and copying traffic with cans and a mill with negative SNR's is definitely hard. :-) It is true however that with today's signal processing capabilities, "conductor in the air" will work pretty good as a receiving antenna at MF. I ran a single wire from the base of my flag pole on the corner of the deck into the shack and I can find a number of NDB's at the 200-400 km range. KPH booms in on Saturdays on 426 KHz. I'm anxious to try the new synthesizer at MF, there is some 80 meter leakage using my Palomar up-converter that should disappear and now that LORAN-C is QRT, things are fairly quiet. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/25/2015 3:19 AM, Ken wrote: > Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km > > 2015-02-25 09:56 WG2XKA 0.475723 -17 0 FN33lq 1 WA8JXM EM88cr 1054 > 2015-02-25 09:54 WG2XJM 0.475775 -12 0 EN91wr 5 WA8JXM EM88cr 456 > 2015-02-25 09:54 WD2XSH/15 0.475726 -25 0 EM34rt 2 WA8JXM EM88cr 892 > 2015-02-25 08:30 WH2XGP 0.475688 -28 0 DN07dg 10 WA8JXM EM88cr 3040 > 2015-02-25 04:46 WG2XIQ 0.475609 -14 0 EM12mp 5 WA8JXM EM88cr 1366 > 2015-02-25 04:00 WG2XXM 0.475711 -7 0 EM15lj 2 WA8JXM EM88cr 1231 > 2015-02-25 04:00 WH2XND 0.475630 -24 0 DM33xt 1 WA8JXM EM88cr 2580 From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:41:53 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt VK2RQ) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:11:53 +0530 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering In-Reply-To: <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <557C924B-9A95-4F6B-A56C-63986262E3C3@gmail.com> If you want to better understand the receiver performance data that Rob publishes, he has given some very nice presentations that are conveniently captured here: http://www.dj0ip.de/transceivers/sherwood-presentations/ 73, Matt VK2RQ > On 26 Feb 2015, at 3:31 am, k3ndm at comcast.net wrote: > > ... > > Bob Sherwood measures and publishes data that can help a perspective buyer make some guess what receiver would work best in a particular shack. The rankings are his opinion. Admittedly, buying a radio in his top rankings shouldn't disappoint, but all of the data should be looked at. And price is certainly a parameter that needs to be considered along with Bob's data. > > I still recommend that those not familiar with why receivers work and how they function in a real environment search out some of the work printed in the 60's and 70's on receivers design. They contain minimal math and are a good discussion of the real receiver issues. That should put Bob's work in perspective and help make sense of the data. And, IMHO, using a K3 or KX3 is the way to go. And for me, my requirement set drove me to the KX3, and I haven't been disappointed. > > 73, > Barry From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:51:46 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:51:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 receive on .474.2 kHz In-Reply-To: <54EE5910.8070500@foothill.net> References: <201502230811.t1N8AvGm012606@denali.acsalaska.net> <5257545D-2016-4C96-BB07-369C867FC0FC@gmail.com> <54EE5910.8070500@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6BB5EBC4-8DF4-4E34-ACFC-27A48851B24D@gmail.com> Yes, my apologies for not clarifying, it is WSPR. The reports are taken from http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots anyone can get a quick look at current activity at http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map Just specify MF for the band if you want to see 474 kHz activity. Ken WA8JXM > On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Is this some form of WSPR or QRSS? Neither existed when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line, and copying traffic with cans and a mill with negative SNR's is definitely hard. :-) It is true however that with today's signal processing capabilities, "conductor in the air" will work pretty good as a receiving antenna at MF. I ran a single wire from the base of my flag pole on the corner of the deck into the shack and I can find a number of NDB's at the 200-400 km range. KPH booms in on Saturdays on 426 KHz. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 25 19:09:31 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:09:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Installing old KPA100 in a 2nd K2? In-Reply-To: <1474292093.3584258.1424879268693.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1474292093.3584258.1424879268693.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EE643B.9090504@embarqmail.com> Steve, Both those K2s have the latest changes, so there should be no need to add C224 (it is already there). Likewise the Control Board C42. Firmware 2.40P is the next to the latest, and differs from 2.04r in that 2.04r eliminates the selection of the sidetone source and 'glues' it to U8-4. That eliminates many customer service calls because "my K2 has lost its sidetone". You should only have to install the AUX RF and AUX 12V headers and remove Control Board P4 pin 4 to install the KPA100 - as well as scrape the paint from the side panels so the shield clips provide a good ground. Any K2 above SN 4660 is the latest version, and the only thing missing from SN 4509 is the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod which is no longer available because the glass PIN diode to be used at D36 on the RF board is no longer available. If you want to know how to add the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod to your K2 SN 4509, please send me an email off-list and I can fill you in with the details. You should check that used KPA100 to see if it has the latest updates. If it has blue core toroids at RFC1 and L16, then it is up to date, but if not, I highly recommend adding KPA100UPKT to bring it up to date. The shield should have clips to ground the shield to the K2 side panels and also have a narrow slot above the SO-239 jack with solder lugs connecting the outer surface of the shield to the SO-239. In addition, it should have a shield over the speaker magnet. The KPA100SHLDKT should be added if any of those conditions are not true. The CAL TPA calibration is stored in the K2 EEPROM, so you will have to set it in the new K2. The PA ON menu must also be set as well as CAL CUR and the 8R menu parameter should be set to HOLD. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 10:47 AM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: > I have recently acquired a used K2, my 2nd (S/N 5133). I am just wondering what it would take to install the KPA100 from my older (S/N 4509) K2 in the newer one and keep it usable with the old one too. I have been perusing the KPA100 manual (current version) and it appears to me that all I need to know is on pages 23-25 and 55. S/N 5133 is missing the Aux RF plug P6 on the RF board and (I think) the associated C224, so those need to be added. The manual which came with it says CNTL-C42 is already 0.1 uF (to be confirmed) and the MCU firmware is 2.04P. The tasks on page 59 do not apply since the S/N is over 3000. So it looks like all I have to do once RF-P6 and C224 are in place is to break off pin 4 on CNTL-P4, scrape off some paint and plug in the KPA100. Am I missing anything ? No alignment steps which might make it incompatible with the older K2? What about CAL tPA (p. 49 of KPA100 manual)? Is this calibration stored in the K2 or the KPA100? 73,Steve VE3SMA > From eric at elecraft.com Wed Feb 25 19:52:37 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:52:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into this week.) Eric elecraft.com On 2/25/2015 3:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >> with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. >> Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. > > That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando > Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got > e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) > and still have not received shipping info. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm >> tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having >> heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman >> about the status a bit ago. >> >> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with >> a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps >> sooner, perhaps not. >> >> Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By >> then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. >> >> 73, >> Rick wa6nhc >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 25 19:55:17 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:55:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54EE6EF5.3090909@socal.rr.com> No one should be surprised, Eric :-) Phil W7OX On 2/25/15 4:52 PM, 'Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft' wa6hhq_lists at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > We had a HUGE number of orders for these over > the weekend (and continuing into this week.) > > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 2/25/2015 3:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back >>> order on the new cards >>> with a 10 (business) day delay. Which >>> translates to mid-March. >>> Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. >> >> That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday >> afternoon at Orlando >> Hamcation and was told there were plenty in >> stock. Of course, I got >> e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably >> after Eric got back) >> and still have not received shipping info. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> I ordered two new synth cards early Monday >>> (with an SVGA card added, I'm >>> tired of squinting) and quickly got the >>> confirmation email. Having >>> heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke >>> with a VERY nice woman >>> about the status a bit ago. >>> >>> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back >>> order on the new cards with >>> a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates >>> to mid-March. Perhaps >>> sooner, perhaps not. >>> >>> Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft >>> some phone calls. :o) By >>> then the newest firmware will be in better >>> shape, so it's all good. >>> >>> 73, >>> Rick wa6nhc From eric at elecraft.com Wed Feb 25 19:55:07 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:55:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Sherwood Engineering In-Reply-To: <557C924B-9A95-4F6B-A56C-63986262E3C3@gmail.com> References: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <557C924B-9A95-4F6B-A56C-63986262E3C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54EE6EEB.6000705@elecraft.com> Also, please note that any comments by Rob regarding RX Audio and the K3 in those presentations refers to K3s sold many years ago. We've made substantial changes to the audio to address his concerns. Eric elecraft.com On 2/25/2015 3:41 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: > If you want to better understand the receiver performance data that Rob publishes, he has given some very nice presentations that are conveniently captured here: > http://www.dj0ip.de/transceivers/sherwood-presentations/ > > 73, > Matt VK2RQ > >> On 26 Feb 2015, at 3:31 am, k3ndm at comcast.net wrote: >> >> ... >> >> Bob Sherwood measures and publishes data that can help a perspective buyer make some guess what receiver would work best in a particular shack. The rankings are his opinion. Admittedly, buying a radio in his top rankings shouldn't disappoint, but all of the data should be looked at. And price is certainly a parameter that needs to be considered along with Bob's data. >> >> I still recommend that those not familiar with why receivers work and how they function in a real environment search out some of the work printed in the 60's and 70's on receivers design. They contain minimal math and are a good discussion of the real receiver issues. That should put Bob's work in perspective and help make sense of the data. And, IMHO, using a K3 or KX3 is the way to go. And for me, my requirement set drove me to the KX3, and I haven't been disappointed. >> >> 73, >> Barry > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Wed Feb 25 19:58:40 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <750349826.20573.1424912320354.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Very good, a potential?business turnover about USD1.5 million. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ? ???? "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" ???? "Joe Subich, W4TV" ; Rick WA6NHC ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; elecraft list ????? 2015?02?26? (??) 8:52 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Synth card order status We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into this week.) Eric elecraft.com On 2/25/2015 3:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >> with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. >> Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. > > That's disappointing.? I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando > Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock.? Of course, I got > e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) > and still have not received shipping info. > > 73, > >? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm >> tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having >> heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman >> about the status a bit ago. >> >> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with >> a 10 (business) day delay.? Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps >> sooner, perhaps not. >> >> Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By >> then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. >> >> 73, >> Rick wa6nhc >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 25 20:07:30 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:07:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54EE71D2.8050701@subich.com> The only disappointment is that a Saturday afternoon order at Hamcation went into the system after the on-line orders from the weekend and Monday. I should have ordered on-line before coming to the show . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-25 7:52 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and > continuing into this week.) > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 2/25/2015 3:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >>> with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. >>> Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. >> >> That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando >> Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got >> e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) >> and still have not received shipping info. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm >>> tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having >>> heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman >>> about the status a bit ago. >>> >>> As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with >>> a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps >>> sooner, perhaps not. >>> >>> Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By >>> then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. >>> >>> 73, >>> Rick wa6nhc >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > > From k1whs at metrocast.net Wed Feb 25 20:08:56 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:08:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 #8858 on the air. Message-ID: <541E594454204343AA04755E44F321C5@shipping> Thanks to the Elecraft crew. I just assembled K3 #3 and after unwrapping all those anti static bags and plugging everything in, the darn thing worked great!! (as usual) I did not get the 100 watt amp or a second receiver, as this radio will be used on the higher VHF bands. I just wanted to thank Eric and Wayne for running such a great outfit. There was a lot of thought I am sure, put into how to test and calibrate each board. The fact that someone can assemble such a complex piece of electronic equipment out of subassemblies and have it all work like a well oiled machine is testimony to a lot of hard work. I appreciate it. I also can?t wait to check out the new and improved synthesizer. One thing that threw me off, however, was the loss of the dual passband filter feature in the latest firmware release. I thought I had a problem! Luckily, I only wanted to use the APF anyway. I got confused when the menu item looked broken! There is so much snow here in Maine now that I can hardly reach my VHF shack, so I think the only band I could make a contact on is 160 M, which is the only band operating at the house. I made my first QSO this evening! 10 watts? 160 M? a K3? No problem! Worked K4EJQ in Kentucky 599! Thanks again Elecraft. Dave K1WHS K2 #915 K2 #1247 K2 #----- (It?s a long story) K3 # 1504 K3 # 3504 K3 # 8858 From k9fd at flex.com Wed Feb 25 20:10:24 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:10:24 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EE7280.8000506@flex.com> > Same here, ordered Saturday and not a peep so far. Merv K9FD/KH6 > > > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards > > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. > > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. > > That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando > Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got > e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) > and still have not received shipping info. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm > > tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having > > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman > > about the status a bit ago. > > > > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with > > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps > > sooner, perhaps not. > > > > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By > > then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. > > > > 73, > > Rick wa6nhc > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (2) > > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 7 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > ? > Unsubscribe > ? > Terms of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 25 20:32:41 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into >>>?this week.) >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so that I could send an e-mail to thesales team,?asking them to augment my previous order to include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge workload this month as a resultof the KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope everything goes smoothly for them. 73, Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 25 20:34:57 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:34:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE7280.8000506@flex.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> <54EE7280.8000506@flex.com> Message-ID: <54EE7841.4020409@socal.rr.com> If you mean *last* Saturday, some of us ordered 8 days earlier. He who hesitates and all of that. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/25/15 5:10 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: >> Same here, ordered Saturday and not a peep so far. > Merv K9FD/KH6 > >> >> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back >> order on the new cards >> > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which >> translates to mid-March. >> > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. >> >> That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday >> afternoon at Orlando >> Hamcation and was told there were plenty in >> stock. Of course, I got >> e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably >> after Eric got back) >> and still have not received shipping info. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday >> (with an SVGA card added, I'm >> > tired of squinting) and quickly got the >> confirmation email. Having >> > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke >> with a VERY nice woman >> > about the status a bit ago. >> > >> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back >> order on the new cards with >> > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates >> to mid-March. Perhaps >> > sooner, perhaps not. >> > >> > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft >> some phone calls. :o) By >> > then the newest firmware will be in better >> shape, so it's all good. >> > >> > 73, >> > Rick wa6nhc From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 25 20:49:39 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (George Fritkin via Elecraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:49:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> My only question is why? My Porsche is more capable than my driving skills So is my are my K3s more capable than my ham skills George, W6GF George, W6GF Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: >>>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into >>> this week.) >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com > > I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so that I could send an e-mail to thesales team, asking them to augment my previous order to include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. > I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge workload this month as a resultof the KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope everything goes smoothly for them. > 73, > Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Wed Feb 25 20:56:42 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> References: <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <623328754.159140.1424915802285.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would venture to think than some (like me) wanted the extra bandwidth. So Now I can go more places, Same with my Jeep I can go more places that I could with a car. From: George Fritkin via Elecraft To: "Bayard Coolidge, N1HO" Cc: elecraft list Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synth card order status My only question is why?? My Porsche is more capable than my driving skills So is my are my K3s more capable than my ham skills George, W6GF George, W6GF Sent from my iPad On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: >>>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into >>> this week.) >>>> Eric >>>> elecraft.com > > I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so that I could send an e-mail to thesales team, asking them to augment my previous order to include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. > I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge workload this month as a resultof the KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope everything goes smoothly for them. > 73, > Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From K2TK at ptd.net Wed Feb 25 21:04:45 2015 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:04:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EE7F3D.5070506@ptd.net> Same why question applies to your Porsche? A Chevy will get you to the supermarket and back too. Bob K2TK On 2/25/2015 8:49 PM, George Fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > My only question is why? My Porsche is more capable than my driving skills > > So is my are my K3s more capable than my ham skills > > George, W6GF > > George, W6GF > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > >>>>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into >>> this week.) >>>>> Eric >>>>> elecraft.com >> >> I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so that I could send an e-mail to thesales team, asking them to augment my previous order to include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. >> I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge workload this month as a resultof the KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope everything goes smoothly for them. >> 73, >> Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed Feb 25 21:16:02 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering In-Reply-To: <54EE6EEB.6000705@elecraft.com> References: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <557C924B-9A95-4F6B-A56C-63986262E3C3@gmail.com> <54EE6EEB.6000705@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <27B41B07-125C-4CD3-9FAC-5924357F4FAC@tx.rr.com> This raises an interesting point. In other venues (casual discussion, fests, on air discussions, etc), I?ve heard several times about the reputation of ?bad receive audio? on the K3? and suspect since most of the kibitzers don?t actually own a K3, that it comes from early published sources ? or those repeating what they got from the rumor mill started from these early sources. I?ve spent a whole lot of hours in front of my own K3 (fully updated serial 2091) and have yet to be ?worn out? or become hearing impaired by the K3?s receive audio. It?s actually quite good. Perhaps it?s time to encourage an update in some of these early reports and evaluations, since material (no matter how outdated) published to the internet and which pops up in Google search seems to live on forever as gospel ? Grant NQ5T > On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Also, please note that any comments by Rob regarding RX Audio and the K3 in those presentations refers to K3s sold many years ago. We've made substantial changes to the audio to address his concerns. > > Eric > elecraft.com > From lists at subich.com Wed Feb 25 22:02:26 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE7841.4020409@socal.rr.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> <54EE7280.8000506@flex.com> <54EE7841.4020409@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EE8CC2.4050201@subich.com> No, a week ago this past Saturday - as in February 14. My assumption was that an order early Saturday afternoon would be in queue before the slackers on the left coast were awake . Oh well - that just gives me an opportunity to add the audio protection and AUX output current mods to the order. I've been meaning to get to them for some time. Can't say that having the radio open for the Synth updates isn't a good chance to do them. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-25 8:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > If you mean *last* Saturday, some of us ordered 8 days earlier. He who > hesitates and all of that. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 2/25/15 5:10 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: >>> Same here, ordered Saturday and not a peep so far. >> Merv K9FD/KH6 >> >>> >>> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >>> > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. >>> > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. >>> >>> That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando >>> Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got >>> e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) >>> and still have not received shipping info. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card >>> added, I'm >>> > tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having >>> > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman >>> > about the status a bit ago. >>> > >>> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >>> with >>> > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps >>> > sooner, perhaps not. >>> > >>> > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By >>> > then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. >>> > >>> > 73, >>> > Rick wa6nhc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 25 22:12:47 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:12:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EE8F2F.2000804@socal.rr.com> Hey George, these days in So Calif almost any car can push our driving skills -- well maybe those Google cars won't, but I'm not yet convinced! Regarding your K3's and your ham skills: Can they turn themselves on, tune themselves and send code (or talk) by themselves, while creating witty repartee in the process? I'd say a K3 can augment our ham skills, not exceed them -- until one can walk in and pass the Extra Class exam unaided ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/25/15 5:49 PM, George Fritkin via Elecraft wrote: > My only question is why? My Porsche is more capable than my driving skills > > So is my are my K3s more capable than my ham skills > > George, W6GF > > George, W6GF > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote: > >>>>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these over the weekend (and continuing into >>> this week.) >>>>> Eric >>>>> elecraft.com >> I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so that I could send an e-mail to thesales team, asking them to augment my previous order to include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. >> I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge workload this month as a resultof the KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope everything goes smoothly for them. >> 73, >> Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Feb 25 22:14:50 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:14:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE7F3D.5070506@ptd.net> References: <54EE6E55.3000109@elecraft.com> <995465238.166210.1424914361081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <449E3E49-12EE-468B-ACAD-33751156A6C3@yahoo.com> <54EE7F3D.5070506@ptd.net> Message-ID: <54EE8FAA.2030903@socal.rr.com> Don't be so sure, Bob. George has already questioned his own drive skills! :-) :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 2/25/15 6:04 PM, Bob wrote: > Same why question applies to your Porsche? A > Chevy will get you to the supermarket and back too. > > Bob > K2TK > > On 2/25/2015 8:49 PM, George Fritkin via > Elecraft wrote: >> My only question is why? My Porsche is more >> capable than my driving skills >> >> So is my are my K3s more capable than my ham >> skills >> >> George, W6GF >> >> George, W6GF >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Bayard Coolidge, >> N1HO via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >>>>>> We had a HUGE number of orders for these >>>>>> over the weekend (and continuing into >>> >>>>>> this week.) >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> elecraft.com >>> >>> I'm glad to read this, this evening (ET), so >>> that I could send an e-mail to thesales team, >>> asking them to augment my previous order to >>> include a couple ofKBPF3's and a KXV3A. >>> I'm sure that the entire team is under a huge >>> workload this month as a resultof the >>> KSYN3AUPG announcement, and I just hope >>> everything goes smoothly for them. >>> 73, >>> Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca Wed Feb 25 22:15:46 2015 From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Installing old KPA100 in a 2nd K2? In-Reply-To: <54EE643B.9090504@embarqmail.com> References: <54EE643B.9090504@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2015214154.197521.1424920546804.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Don.? Sounds pretty straightforward.? I'll make a point of adding that to my K2 to-do list!?73,Steve VE3SMA From: Don Wilhelm To: Steve Kavanagh ; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Installing old KPA100 in a 2nd K2? Steve, Both those K2s have the latest changes, so there should be no need to add C224 (it is already there).? Likewise the Control Board C42. Firmware 2.40P is the next to the latest, and differs from 2.04r in that 2.04r eliminates the selection of the sidetone source and 'glues' it to U8-4.? That eliminates many customer service calls because "my K2 has lost its sidetone". You should only have to install the AUX RF and AUX 12V headers and remove Control Board P4 pin 4 to install the KPA100 - as well as scrape the paint from the side panels so the shield clips provide a good ground. Any K2 above SN 4660 is the latest version, and the only thing missing from SN 4509 is the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod which is no longer available because the glass PIN diode to be used at D36 on the RF board is no longer available. If you want to know how to add the K2 Keying Waveshape Mod to your K2 SN 4509, please send me an email off-list and I can fill you in with the details. You should check that used KPA100 to see if it has the latest updates.? If it has blue core toroids at RFC1 and L16, then it is up to date, but if not, I highly recommend adding KPA100UPKT to bring it up to date.? The shield should have clips to ground the shield to the K2 side panels and also have a narrow slot above the SO-239 jack with solder lugs connecting the outer surface of the shield to the SO-239.? In addition, it should have a shield over the speaker magnet.? The KPA100SHLDKT should be added if any of those conditions are not true. The CAL TPA calibration is stored in the K2 EEPROM, so you will have to set it in the new K2.? The PA ON menu must also be set as well as CAL CUR and the 8R menu parameter should be set to HOLD. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/25/2015 10:47 AM, Steve Kavanagh wrote: > I have recently acquired a used K2, my 2nd (S/N 5133).? I am just wondering what it would take to install the KPA100 from my older (S/N 4509) K2 in the newer one and keep it usable with the old one too.? I have been perusing the KPA100 manual (current version) and it appears to me that all I need to know is on pages 23-25 and 55.? S/N 5133 is missing the Aux RF plug P6 on the RF board and (I think) the associated C224, so those need to be added.? The manual which came with it says CNTL-C42 is already 0.1 uF (to be confirmed) and the MCU firmware is 2.04P.? The tasks on page 59 do not apply since the S/N is over 3000.? So it looks like all I have to do once RF-P6 and C224 are in place is to break off pin 4 on CNTL-P4, scrape off some paint and plug in the KPA100.? Am I missing anything ?? No alignment steps which might make it incompatible with the older K2?? What about CAL tPA (p. 49 of KPA100 manual)?? Is this calibration stored in the K2 or the KPA100? 73,Steve VE3SMA > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Feb 25 22:24:31 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:24:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering In-Reply-To: <27B41B07-125C-4CD3-9FAC-5924357F4FAC@tx.rr.com> References: <201502251427.t1PERWDZ073464@huffman.acsalaska.net> <1815397880.676443.1424901692141.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <557C924B-9A95-4F6B-A56C-63986262E3C3@gmail.com> <54EE6EEB.6000705@elecraft.com> <27B41B07-125C-4CD3-9FAC-5924357F4FAC@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <9B143BD2-226B-45FB-8853-E8D288AEF5A2@elecraft.com> It's simple: The K3 has great audio on both RX and TX. And it now has one of the lowest-noise synthesizers and highest-dynamic range receivers on the planet--possibly all of Alpha quadrant. Please tell your friends. Maybe it'll go viral :) 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:16 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > This raises an interesting point. In other venues (casual discussion, fests, on air discussions, etc), I?ve heard several times about the reputation of ?bad receive audio? on the K3? and suspect since most of the kibitzers don?t actually own a K3, that it comes from early published sources ? or those repeating what they got from the rumor mill started from these early sources. I?ve spent a whole lot of hours in front of my own K3 (fully updated serial 2091) and have yet to be ?worn out? or become hearing impaired by the K3?s receive audio. It?s actually quite good. > > Perhaps it?s time to encourage an update in some of these early reports and evaluations, since material (no matter how outdated) published to the internet and which pops up in Google search seems to live on forever as gospel ? > > Grant NQ5T > > >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> >> Also, please note that any comments by Rob regarding RX Audio and the K3 in those presentations refers to K3s sold many years ago. We've made substantial changes to the audio to address his concerns. >> >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From roycraft at comcast.net Wed Feb 25 22:34:43 2015 From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE8CC2.4050201@subich.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> <54EE7280.8000506@flex.com> <54EE7841.4020409@socal.rr.com> <54EE8CC2.4050201@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EE9453.9090807@comcast.net> I ordered two on February 13'th and they arrived yesterday. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/25/2015 10:02 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > No, a week ago this past Saturday - as in February 14. My assumption > was that an order early Saturday afternoon would be in queue before > the slackers on the left coast were awake . > > Oh well - that just gives me an opportunity to add the audio protection > and AUX output current mods to the order. I've been meaning to get to > them for some time. Can't say that having the radio open for the Synth > updates isn't a good chance to do them. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-25 8:34 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> If you mean *last* Saturday, some of us ordered 8 days earlier. He who >> hesitates and all of that. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/25/15 5:10 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote: >>>> Same here, ordered Saturday and not a peep so far. >>> Merv K9FD/KH6 >>> >>>> >>>> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >>>> > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. >>>> > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. >>>> >>>> That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando >>>> Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got >>>> e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) >>>> and still have not received shipping info. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>> >>>> On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>>> > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card >>>> added, I'm >>>> > tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having >>>> > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman >>>> > about the status a bit ago. >>>> > >>>> > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards >>>> with >>>> > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps >>>> > sooner, perhaps not. >>>> > >>>> > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. >>>> :o) By >>>> > then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. >>>> > >>>> > 73, >>>> > Rick wa6nhc >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 22:38:48 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <1424885813.73276.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you sending him a replacement so he can redo the figures? 73, Guy. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Rob S. via Elecraft > wrote: > > > Wayne, > > > > Will other radios that have the revised synthesizer board upgraded in > the field need to perform the receive gain calibration in order to correct > the AGC threshold issue as well? > > Is this something that will change upon installing the new board? > > > No. This only affected Rob's test K3 because we apparently missed this > step when we sent it to him. > > Wayne > N6kR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 22:45:15 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:45:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood Engineering Tests In-Reply-To: References: <1424885813.73276.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EE96CB.6010401@gmail.com> This is a very good idea. As we've seen from the "crappy audio" urban legends about the K3, misinformation can take hold and never let go on the Internet. We'll be hearing about the K3 AGC issues for years unless Rob posts revised information. Bet on it. Wayne, send Rob another rig to test, please! 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/25/15 10:38 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Are you sending him a replacement so he can redo the figures? > > 73, Guy. > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Rob S. via Elecraft >> wrote: >> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> Will other radios that have the revised synthesizer board upgraded in >> the field need to perform the receive gain calibration in order to correct >> the AGC threshold issue as well? >>> Is this something that will change upon installing the new board? >> >> No. This only affected Rob's test K3 because we apparently missed this >> step when we sent it to him. >> >> Wayne >> N6kR >> >> From htodd at twofifty.com Wed Feb 25 23:22:19 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] Old KSYN3 cards In-Reply-To: References: <0E34E85A-17BA-4B0E-A0DA-714D49D1068F@i29.net> <54EBD7E8.2070306@embarqmail.com> <1424812616246-7599267.post@n2.nabble.com> <4BD648CD-B3BD-4E6F-A92A-EE74237A2EC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: It doesn't take faith to keep my radio working. I put them in because I have so much local noise that I didn't want mixing products to cover up DX. Whether I can tell or not is a good question. I just know that the numbers show that it could, and I want any help I can get to work DX from my compromised urban location. On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Gary Gregory wrote: > Rick > > Glad it worked out for you. > > I lost faith awhile ago. > > Gary -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From ai6l at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 25 23:32:44 2015 From: ai6l at sbcglobal.net (Jerry T. Dowell) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:32:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Selling Synths In-Reply-To: <54EE4EEE.1040803@socal.rr.com> References: <54EE4EEE.1040803@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <0CE25EB53CC84551A96F6560C8AF4727@ownerdell> For sure! I wish that I had not sold most of my Apple stock over the last couple of years! Jerry AI6L -----Original Message----- From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w7ox at socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:39 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Selling Synths On 2/25/15, 10:46 AM, jim wrote: > Outrageous profits for products/services do not last a long time in the > marketplace. Competition comes in. Apple comes to mind. Really? Apple still seems to be doing quite well :-) Phil W7OX From jpk5lad at cox.net Thu Feb 26 00:36:01 2015 From: jpk5lad at cox.net (jpk5lad at cox.net) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 23:36:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote board inventory Message-ID: <54EEB0C1.29678.7BB40EE@jpk5lad.cox.net> I don't have any idea whether this is possible or desired by many but wouldn't it be neat to be able to interrogate each of the boards in the K3 and it would respond with each board's model or version number? That way, when a new piece became available, you could quickly tell if your particular transceiver/s needed the update. Perhaps the interrogation could be done via the K3 Utility software. I know something like this would be a big help to me. Just dreaming...................... 73, Jim - K5LAD K3 - #1068 ------------------- Growing old is like being increasingly penalized for a crime you haven't committed. -- Anthony Powell --------------------------------- Visit my web page at: www.hayseed.net/~jpk5lad/ ============================= --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From lew at n6lew.us Thu Feb 26 00:48:09 2015 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:48:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] XV432 Trips Off on Tranmit Message-ID: <7191984F-396A-4927-9649-9CAE573C30F2@n6lew.us> My XV432 transporter has suddenly developed a serious problem. Receive mode works fine, but when I try to transmit, it instantly shuts down, apparently because of a bad SWR mismatch or similar problem. I?ve checked my cables, and replaced them. I?ve checked all the settings on the Main Menu. I?ve tried with two different antennas and a dummy load, and with differing coax cables. I?ve checked all the on-board coax plugs on the KIO3 board, checked to make sure the KIO3 board is properly seated, etc. Transmit power is set at 0.1 watt. Nothing resolves the problem. Any suggestions as to what I have failed to look for? Any suggestions as to how I can differentiate between transverter problem and a KIO3 problem? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Lew Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) From lew at n6lew.us Thu Feb 26 00:50:01 2015 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] XV432 Trips Off on Tranmit In-Reply-To: <7191984F-396A-4927-9649-9CAE573C30F2@n6lew.us> References: <7191984F-396A-4927-9649-9CAE573C30F2@n6lew.us> Message-ID: Make that read ?transverter? in first line. Thanks a lot to Apple auto spelling correction?. Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > > My XV432 transporter has suddenly developed a serious problem. Receive mode works fine, but when I try to transmit, it instantly shuts down, apparently because of a bad SWR mismatch or similar problem. > > I?ve checked my cables, and replaced them. I?ve checked all the settings on the Main Menu. I?ve tried with two different antennas and a dummy load, and with differing coax cables. I?ve checked all the on-board coax plugs on the KIO3 board, checked to make sure the KIO3 board is properly seated, etc. Transmit power is set at 0.1 watt. Nothing resolves the problem. Any suggestions as to what I have failed to look for? Any suggestions as to how I can differentiate between transverter problem and a KIO3 problem? > > Thanks in advance for any assistance. > > Lew > > > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Sent from my Mac Pro 256-Array Supercomputer (9.42 teraflops) > > > > > From dgwalkington at internode.on.net Thu Feb 26 01:03:14 2015 From: dgwalkington at internode.on.net (Deane Walkington) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:03:14 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Tascam US-122MkII Message-ID: <003f01d05189$e8602990$b9207cb0$@internode.on.net> Before I start making cables to connect a Tascam 122 to a K3, I would appreciate knowing how other users have connected this pair. Deane VK1DW From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 03:59:44 2015 From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (M5KVK - Gareth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:59:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Confused when calibrating 4MHz oscillator In-Reply-To: <54EE4810.6020208@embarqmail.com> References: <54EE4810.6020208@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Right. It was the relationship between BFO and VFO I was missing. Nevertheless, I followed the procedure last night and it seems to have worked. I admit that it took three goes until I got the knack of adjusting C22 correctly, but it worked. I knew it would but I like to understand how rather than just taking it on trust. Thanks (again), Don. Sent from my iPad From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Feb 26 06:06:35 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:06:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio Message-ID: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> If you don't like the audio from your K3 - you don't have to keep it! With all the various AGC, DSP, and filter settings - and the two equalizers - _your_ K3 can be made to sound any way _you_ want it to sound. It used to be that some radios just plain sounded good or just plain lousy - for whatever reason(s). The K3 can be anything from lousy to excellent - it is all up to the user to make the adjustments. Nothing is fixed in the K3 - there are nearly infinite variables to suit any situation. You can set it up for weak signal CW or resounding armchair copy - the choice is yours. The K3 can do it all. Now, just why is it that I keep seeing mention of the K3's poor audio? Sounds to me like it is more the operator is unable to make the necessary menu selections. Or, more likely, the complainer never actually heard a K3. Now, back to 75 meters and a little Kool-Aide. Bill W2BLC K-Line From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Thu Feb 26 07:26:58 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:26:58 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <54EE59A5.1050301@embarqmail.com> References: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EE59A5.1050301@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54EF1112.1090505@horizon.co.fk> Sad to note that dual passband "focus/context" filtering is still in the wilderness according to the release notes. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 25/02/2015 20:24, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ken, > > Go to the K3 beta firmware and download 5.13. Yes, it is beta right > now, but it solves several problems and if no problems with it in the > next few days, it will be promoted to production status. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/25/2015 6:00 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: >> Anyone else having trouble with milliwatt TX gain Cal using the new >> synthesizer boardOr is it just me.Also on the RF power out only one >> bar is lite up.If I set power to 0 dbm (1 milliwatt) it only shows >> -12.0 dbm ( .06 mw) >> Thanks From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Thu Feb 26 07:50:54 2015 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:50:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Locks up in Transmit in data mode. In-Reply-To: <54EE56AB.3040402@subich.com> References: <54EE4015.50306@g3ysx.org.uk> <54EE4B79.8020004@embarqmail.com> <54EE4D1C.9010404@g3ysx.org.uk> <54EE56AB.3040402@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EF16AE.9070807@g3ysx.org.uk> Joe Spot on, many thanks for the advice. 73 Stewart On 25/02/2015 23:11, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and >> FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, >> but the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to >> be ignored, shouldn't it? > > It's not the CAT control (RTS-DTR) lines you need to worry about. > It is sending TX ON and OX OFF commands via CAT that causes the > problem. *Either* use PTT via CAT COMMANDS *or* use the VOX in > Signalink/K3 but don't use both. It is when you mix CAT commands > and external PTT or VOX that you get the "hang" problem. > > In DM780 you can use PTT on the DTR line *don't* use CAT commands. > In Fldigi *do not* use "CAT command for PTT" - instead use "Toggle > DTR for PTT". > > *Many* rigs appear to have a race condition in processing CAT based > PTT commands and hardware (DTR) PTT. I do not know the internals > but it appears they ignore the hardware PTT while processing the CAT > command and if the hardware PTT disappears at the wrong time the CAT > TX OFF is ignored and then there is no hardware PTT off. In almost > every case simply "bumping" the PTT button on the mic will release > the stuck PTT. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2015-02-25 5:30 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> Hi Don >> >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> On 25/02/2015 22:23, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Stewart, >>> >>> By saying you are "using VOX in Signalink to control PTT" are you >>> saying that you are using the PTT output of Signalink to control >>> transmission? With a cable to the PTT jack? >> Yes, that is how it is configured. >>> >>> You mentioned the "RS-232 cable" which makes me wonder which of the >>> Signalink "Radio Cables" you are using. I am going to assume you are >>> using the SLUSBK3 cable which connects to the K3 reap panel audio >>> jacks and the PTT jack. >> Correct. >>> >>> If so, do you also have VOX set on in the K3. >> No, I turned this off. >>> >>> This is a common problem if both Signalink PTT and the K3 VOX are >>> active. Unplug the PTT cable from the Signalink and just use the VOX >>> in the K3, or turn off VOX in the K3 and use the PTT from Signalink - >>> your choice, but do not use both. >> The key factor in avoiding the hang (which happens in both DN780 and >> FLdigi seems to be not sending audio with the CAT cable connected, but >> the off-off setting should surely cause the CAT control lines to be >> ignored, shouldn't it? >> >> 73 >> >> Stewart/G3YSX >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 2/25/2015 4:35 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> This is probably finger trouble, but I cannot see >>>> what the problem is, so I wonder if anyone >>>> knows what is going on. >>>> >>>> I have a K3, Sigalink and HRD/DM780. >>>> >>>> For voice and CW including using the winkeyer all >>>> works fine including CAT. >>>> >>>> However I get a transmit lockup in data mode. >>>> >>>> I am using vox from the Sigalink to control the K3 PTT. >>>> >>>> I have K3 power turned to zero. >>>> >>>> I set the K3 in data mode and send some data and all is well >>>> relays go over tries to send some data goes back to receive. >>>> >>>> If I plug in the RS232 cable and send some data all works >>>> well, the Sigalink drops PTT, buy the K3 locks in >>>> transmit and will not come out of transmit until I power >>>> cycle the K3. Removing the RS232 cable has no effect unless >>>> I power cycle the K3. >>>> >>>> Removing the RS232 cable and all works exactly as expected. >>>> >>>> I have configured ptt to off-off. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong here? >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> >>>> Stewart/G3YSX >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >>>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at g3ysx.org.uk From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 08:29:25 2015 From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (Gareth - M5KVK) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using CAL FIL and Spectrogram to set up the K2 filters Message-ID: Having finally got my KSB2 board working (it was a hi-resistance solder joint: enough to depress performance but not stop all signals), and calibrated the dial, I turned to setting up the filters. I started with the filter widths and BFO settings in the KSB2 manual, but it didn't sound right. So I decided to use WWV and Spectrogram. Now that I knew that the VFO was OK, I set it to 10000.00. No audio on LSB or USB, which is good. I then tuned off by 600Hz to create a steady signal at 10000.60kHz (9999.40kHz on the other sideband) and displayed the audio on spectrogram with a 600Hz marker set. I then went through CAL FIL, adjusting the BFO so that the audio tone was exactly 600Hz. I did this on all modes and filter widths: except FL4 on LSB and USB, which I adjusted for a 1000Hz centre (so I can use them for PSK31). I was surprised how far off the displayed spectrum was with the factory settings. On USB FL4, the centre was at 400Hz with the manual?s suggested BFO setting. 73, Gareth M5KVK From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:01:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using CAL FIL and Spectrogram to set up the K2 filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EF273D.8080704@embarqmail.com> Gareth, Good work. May I offer a couple suggestions: 1) On SSB filters other than the FL1 OP1 filter, look carefully at the actual filter width. On many K2s, the actual width is far wider than that indicated by the K2 display. You ideally want to have each filter progression about 200 to 300 Hz more narrow then the prior filter. The easiest way to set that up is to first do LSB - the low frequency slope of the passband will not move substantially as you adjust the width. The set the BFOs for the filters after adjusting the width. 2) Rather than using SSB FL4 for PSK and other data modes, turn on RTTY in the secondary menu. That gives you another set of filters and an independent compression setting from SSB and you don't have to remember to turn compression off when using data modes. I normally set RTTY FL1 the same as SSB FL1 (including the BFO settings - RTTY is LSB and RTTY rev is USB) and then set the FL2 to 1000 Hz, FL3 to 700 Hz and FL4 to 400 Hz widths. I center those 3 filters on 1000 Hz. If you are not able to properly center the 400 Hz wide filter, you will have to pad the BFO with a small value capacitor (try 15 to 22pF) between pins 6 and 3 of RF board U11 - then recheck the BFO range. If you do have to make that change, you will need to re-do all the BFO alignments. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/26/2015 8:29 AM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote: > Having finally got my KSB2 board working (it was a hi-resistance solder joint: enough to depress performance but not stop all signals), and calibrated the dial, I turned to setting up the filters. > > I started with the filter widths and BFO settings in the KSB2 manual, but it didn't sound right. So I decided to use WWV and Spectrogram. > > Now that I knew that the VFO was OK, I set it to 10000.00. No audio on LSB or USB, which is good. > I then tuned off by 600Hz to create a steady signal at 10000.60kHz (9999.40kHz on the other sideband) and displayed the audio on spectrogram with a 600Hz marker set. > I then went through CAL FIL, adjusting the BFO so that the audio tone was exactly 600Hz. > > I did this on all modes and filter widths: except FL4 on LSB and USB, which I adjusted for a 1000Hz centre (so I can use them for PSK31). > > I was surprised how far off the displayed spectrum was with the factory settings. On USB FL4, the centre was at 400Hz with the manual?s suggested BFO setting. > > 73, Gareth M5KVK > From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:07:47 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:07:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer Message-ID: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> I helped, this last weekend, at a ham radio demo for a Boy Scout encampment of about ~250 Scouts and leaders. I found that the KX3-PX3-computer (KX3 utility program - terminal) didn't display on the computer what the KX3 decoded. The computer made a nice display - larger then the PX3, but the PX3 allowed me to find stations on 40m during the day (and it was dead). I sort of remember an old email about this setup not working. I looked it up when I got home. Still not sure why it wouldn't work... I did use the computer with fldigi. Anyway... to keep things simple, it SURE would be nice to have the KEYBOARD working for the PX3... It is difficult to be portable with a computer (for any length of time) and is not KISS, either. IT WAS a good demo as we had four stations setup in two locations. The Scout planners want us back. Keyboard in 2016?? 73, steve WB3LGC From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:20:11 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer In-Reply-To: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> References: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> Steve, To get good decode on the KX3/PX3 tune the station in carefully using CWT or auto-spot and keep the bandwidth narrow. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/26/2015 9:07 AM, steve wrote: > I helped, this last weekend, at a ham radio demo for a Boy Scout > encampment of about ~250 Scouts and leaders. I found that the > KX3-PX3-computer (KX3 utility program - terminal) didn't display on > the computer what the KX3 decoded. The computer made a nice display - > larger then the PX3, but the PX3 allowed me to find stations on 40m > during the day (and it was dead). I sort of remember an old email > about this setup not working. I looked it up when I got home. Still > not sure why it wouldn't work... I did use the computer with fldigi. > > Anyway... to keep things simple, it SURE would be nice to have the > KEYBOARD working for the PX3... It is difficult to be portable with a > computer (for any length of time) and is not KISS, either. > > IT WAS a good demo as we had four stations setup in two locations. > The Scout planners want us back. Keyboard in 2016?? > From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 09:28:20 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (steve) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer In-Reply-To: <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> References: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> I guess I didn't define "display" -- the text display. I copied cw/psk31 fine on the KX3, I think I got the text on the PX3 (don't remember), but it wasn't displaying the same on the terminal mode of the KX3 utility. When I got home I checked the old emails and there is an issue. I solved it (during the demo) by using fldigi, BUT it would be nice to have the PX3 Keyboard for input rather then NEED the computer for keyboard entry... (yes, I "could" use the cw key for entry...) steve WB3LGC On 26-Feb-15 9:20 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Steve, > > To get good decode on the KX3/PX3 tune the station in carefully using > CWT or auto-spot and keep the bandwidth narrow. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/26/2015 9:07 AM, steve wrote: >> I helped, this last weekend, at a ham radio demo for a Boy Scout >> encampment of about ~250 Scouts and leaders. I found that the >> KX3-PX3-computer (KX3 utility program - terminal) didn't display on >> the computer what the KX3 decoded. The computer made a nice display >> - larger then the PX3, but the PX3 allowed me to find stations on 40m >> during the day (and it was dead). I sort of remember an old email >> about this setup not working. I looked it up when I got home. Still >> not sure why it wouldn't work... I did use the computer with fldigi. >> >> Anyway... to keep things simple, it SURE would be nice to have the >> KEYBOARD working for the PX3... It is difficult to be portable with >> a computer (for any length of time) and is not KISS, either. >> >> IT WAS a good demo as we had four stations setup in two locations. >> The Scout planners want us back. Keyboard in 2016?? >> > From bob at hogbytes.com Thu Feb 26 09:31:51 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:31:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer In-Reply-To: <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> References: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1424961111158-7599383.post@n2.nabble.com> . To turn on CW decode: Hold TEXT, then rotate VFO B to select a receive signal threshold (RX THR1-9). For weak signals, use low thresholds (RX THR1-3). With strong signals, medium thresholds (RX THR4-6) provide better copy. At very high code speeds, the highest thresholds work best (RX THR7-9). Next, turn on CWT (CW tuning aid). Tune VFO A until the middle CWT segment flashes in time with the incoming CW. If necessary, further adjust the RX THR level to provide best copy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-computer-tp7599380p7599383.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 26 09:43:32 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer In-Reply-To: <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> References: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you're displaying text on the PX3, it will not also show up in the KX3 Utility terminal window. We may provide this capability in the future. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:28 AM, steve wrote: > I guess I didn't define "display" -- the text display. I copied cw/psk31 fine on the KX3, I think I got the text on the PX3 (don't remember), but it wasn't displaying the same on the terminal mode of the KX3 utility. When I got home I checked the old emails and there is an issue. I solved it (during the demo) by using fldigi, BUT it would be nice to have the PX3 Keyboard for input rather then NEED the computer for keyboard entry... (yes, I "could" use the cw key for entry...) > > steve WB3LGC > > On 26-Feb-15 9:20 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Steve, >> >> To get good decode on the KX3/PX3 tune the station in carefully using CWT or auto-spot and keep the bandwidth narrow. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/26/2015 9:07 AM, steve wrote: >>> I helped, this last weekend, at a ham radio demo for a Boy Scout encampment of about ~250 Scouts and leaders. I found that the KX3-PX3-computer (KX3 utility program - terminal) didn't display on the computer what the KX3 decoded. The computer made a nice display - larger then the PX3, but the PX3 allowed me to find stations on 40m during the day (and it was dead). I sort of remember an old email about this setup not working. I looked it up when I got home. Still not sure why it wouldn't work... I did use the computer with fldigi. >>> >>> Anyway... to keep things simple, it SURE would be nice to have the KEYBOARD working for the PX3... It is difficult to be portable with a computer (for any length of time) and is not KISS, either. >>> >>> IT WAS a good demo as we had four stations setup in two locations. >>> The Scout planners want us back. Keyboard in 2016?? >>> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 26 09:46:45 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:46:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3_KSYN3A_Synthesizer In-Reply-To: <54EF1112.1090505@horizon.co.fk> References: <264293451.5436.1424905255113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EE59A5.1050301@embarqmail.com> <54EF1112.1090505@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: DUAL PB is back. I neglected to update this in the release notes. Wayne N6KR On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:26 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > Sad to note that dual passband "focus/context" filtering is still in the wilderness according to the release notes. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 25/02/2015 20:24, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Ken, >> >> Go to the K3 beta firmware and download 5.13. Yes, it is beta right >> now, but it solves several problems and if no problems with it in the >> next few days, it will be promoted to production status. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/25/2015 6:00 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: >>> Anyone else having trouble with milliwatt TX gain Cal using the new >>> synthesizer boardOr is it just me.Also on the RF power out only one >>> bar is lite up.If I set power to 0 dbm (1 milliwatt) it only shows >>> -12.0 dbm ( .06 mw) >>> Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Feb 26 09:50:15 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:50:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Latest K3 firmware release (5.13) restores DUAL PB CW function Message-ID: K3 beta firmware rev. 5.13 is now available on our K3 software page. We neglected to mention in the release notes that the original "DUAL PB" CW function has been added back in. 73, Wayne N6KR From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 10:22:48 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Keith Ennis via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Message-ID: <1321513835.316988.1424964168161.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?sold Keith, KV5J, XE3/K5ENS From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Thu Feb 26 10:27:01 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:27:01 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Latest K3 firmware release (5.13) restores DUAL PB CW function In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54EF3B45.5020404@horizon.co.fk> From my perspective very welcome news, many thanks for that. I guess I can now seriously think about the synth upgrade after to order storm has died down a bit. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 26/02/2015 11:50, Wayne Burdick wrote: > K3 beta firmware rev. 5.13 is now available on our K3 software page. > > We neglected to mention in the release notes that the original "DUAL PB" CW function has been added back in. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From w0eb at cox.net Thu Feb 26 10:40:01 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:40:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Latest K3 firmware release (5.13) restores DUAL PB CW function In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Also not mentioned in the release notes - the ability to actually assign "LINK" to PF1 or PF2 by selecting the menu item and then holding the PF1 or PF2 button for a couple seconds now actually works as well. Just tested it. Jim - W0EB >On 26/02/2015 11:50, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>K3 beta firmware rev. 5.13 is now available on our K3 software page. >> >>We neglected to mention in the release notes that the original "DUAL >>PB" CW function has been added back in. >> >>73, >>Wayne >>N6KR From k1whs at metrocast.net Wed Feb 25 16:12:33 2015 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (Dave Olean) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:12:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 on the air Message-ID: <5AF7538BC10C4CDB9C2D13B6976B823F@shipping> Thanks to the Elecraft crew. I just assembled K3 #3 and after unwrapping all those anti static bags and plugging everything in, the darn thing worked great!! I did not get the 100 watt amp or a second receiver, as this radio will be used on the higher VHF bands. I just wanted to thank Eric and Wayne for running such a great outfit. There was a lot of thought I am sure, put into how to test and calibrate each board. The fact that someone can assemble such a complex piece of electronic equipment out of subassemblies and have it all work like a well oiled machine is testimony to a lot of hard work. I appreciate it. I also can?t wait to check out the new and improved synthesizer. There is so much snow here in Maine now that I can hardly reach my VHF shack, so I think the only band I can make a contact on is 160 M, which is the only band operating at the house. I hope I can make my first QSO this evening! 10 watts? 160 M? a K3? No problem! Thanks again Elecraft. Dave K1WHS K2 #915 K2 #1247 K2 #----- (It?s a long story) K3 # 1504 K3 # 3504 K3 # 8858 From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 11:34:53 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:34:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-computer In-Reply-To: References: <54EF28B3.80202@gmail.com> <54EF2B9B.8000700@embarqmail.com> <54EF2D84.1030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have the same with the K3/P3 SVGA and my logging program (Rumlog). If I have the SVGA data display enabled I get almost complete rubbish sent to the computer. K3 displays normally. Timing issue I expect. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 26 February 2015 at 14:43, Wayne Burdick wrote: > If you're displaying text on the PX3, it will not also show up in the KX3 > Utility terminal window. We may provide this capability in the future. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:28 AM, steve wrote: > > > I guess I didn't define "display" -- the text display. I copied > cw/psk31 fine on the KX3, I think I got the text on the PX3 (don't > remember), but it wasn't displaying the same on the terminal mode of the > KX3 utility. When I got home I checked the old emails and there is an > issue. I solved it (during the demo) by using fldigi, BUT it would be nice > to have the PX3 Keyboard for input rather then NEED the computer for > keyboard entry... (yes, I "could" use the cw key for entry...) > > > > steve WB3LGC > > > > On 26-Feb-15 9:20 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Steve, > >> > >> To get good decode on the KX3/PX3 tune the station in carefully using > CWT or auto-spot and keep the bandwidth narrow. > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > >> > >> On 2/26/2015 9:07 AM, steve wrote: > >>> I helped, this last weekend, at a ham radio demo for a Boy Scout > encampment of about ~250 Scouts and leaders. I found that the > KX3-PX3-computer (KX3 utility program - terminal) didn't display on the > computer what the KX3 decoded. The computer made a nice display - larger > then the PX3, but the PX3 allowed me to find stations on 40m during the day > (and it was dead). I sort of remember an old email about this setup not > working. I looked it up when I got home. Still not sure why it wouldn't > work... I did use the computer with fldigi. > >>> > >>> Anyway... to keep things simple, it SURE would be nice to have the > KEYBOARD working for the PX3... It is difficult to be portable with a > computer (for any length of time) and is not KISS, either. > >>> > >>> IT WAS a good demo as we had four stations setup in two locations. > >>> The Scout planners want us back. Keyboard in 2016?? > >>> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From erw.edl at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 12:00:21 2015 From: erw.edl at gmail.com (Gene Worth (worthe@missouri.edu)) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:00:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Tascam US-122MKII Message-ID: Deane: I have the US-144, but it is similar enough to be applicable. I use the Elecraft Line Out with a stereo cable to the Tascam Line In (L) jack. You will need to use a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter to make this work. I use the L and R line out jacks (RCA) with an RCA to stereo 1/8" adapter. This goes back to the Elecraft Line In plug on the back. You can look for the settings in Fred Cady's book for DATA A set up for the K3. I use FLDIGI and VOX. Works well after getting the radio set up for it. Now, for the tricky part. You must download and configure the USB/serial port for this external sound card. I use a Mac so have no idea about the Winblows drivers. I must start the Tascam driver software in the background in order for the Mac and FLDIGI to see the external sound card. On the top of the Tascam unit, you want to do the following: 1. Phantom is OFF 2. Mic/Lin is ON 3. Mono is OFF 4. Mon Mix is fully clockwise (Computer) 5. Once you have tuned a signal on your FLDIGI waterfall, then use the Input Left dial so that you have a blue background with a light "snow" of yellow dots on the waterfall. Try to do this in a segment of the band without signals. You can alternatively select a "loud" signal then adjust the dial until the Input Left LED goes from green to red peaks ... then back off until it always stays green. 6. The LINE OUT is adjusted differently depending on how your radio is set up so that you do not over-drive the LINE IN to the K3. Hope that helps. gene WG7GW Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:03:14 +1100 > From: "Deane Walkington" > To: > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Tascam US-122MkII > Message-ID: <003f01d05189$e8602990$b9207cb0$@internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Before I start making cables to connect a Tascam 122 to a K3, I would > appreciate knowing how other users have connected this pair. > > > > Deane > > VK1DW > From jbollit at ymail.com Thu Feb 26 12:44:08 2015 From: jbollit at ymail.com (Jim) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:44:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Synth card order status In-Reply-To: <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> References: <54EE5136.7020401@gmail.com> <54EE577D.1050908@subich.com> Message-ID: Guys, An educated estimate was made for demand of the new synth Just think, we would be paying more IF Elecraft did not manage inventory by exhausting the old synth stock (except for repair needs, etc.) before the new was announced. If they ordered too many boards, inventory turns would be impacted negatively, and working capital suffers, with higher costs to them and ultimately, the end user. It is not the end of the world as some may think it is....... Jim W6AIM On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:15 PM, "'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists at subich.com [Elecraft_K3]" wrote: > > > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards > > with a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. > > Perhaps sooner, perhaps not. > > That's disappointing. I ordered early Saturday afternoon at Orlando > Hamcation and was told there were plenty in stock. Of course, I got > e-mail confirmation Monday evening (presumably after Eric got back) > and still have not received shipping info. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 2015-02-25 5:48 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > > I ordered two new synth cards early Monday (with an SVGA card added, I'm > > tired of squinting) and quickly got the confirmation email. Having > > heard/read nothing since, I called and spoke with a VERY nice woman > > about the status a bit ago. > > > > As (somewhat) expected, there is now a back order on the new cards with > > a 10 (business) day delay. Which translates to mid-March. Perhaps > > sooner, perhaps not. > > > > Not complaining, just FYI and saving Elecraft some phone calls. :o) By > > then the newest firmware will be in better shape, so it's all good. > > > > 73, > > Rick wa6nhc > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (2) > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 7 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Feb 26 13:18:28 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:18:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Or......................they have better hearing with a higher frequency response Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:07 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio If you don't like the audio from your K3 - you don't have to keep it! With all the various AGC, DSP, and filter settings - and the two equalizers - _your_ K3 can be made to sound any way _you_ want it to sound. It used to be that some radios just plain sounded good or just plain lousy - for whatever reason(s). The K3 can be anything from lousy to excellent - it is all up to the user to make the adjustments. Nothing is fixed in the K3 - there are nearly infinite variables to suit any situation. You can set it up for weak signal CW or resounding armchair copy - the choice is yours. The K3 can do it all. Now, just why is it that I keep seeing mention of the K3's poor audio? Sounds to me like it is more the operator is unable to make the necessary menu selections. Or, more likely, the complainer never actually heard a K3. Now, back to 75 meters and a little Kool-Aide. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Feb 26 13:48:15 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:48:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EF6A6F.6060305@cis-broadband.com> I don't believe that is totally accurate. I'm guessing you're not an active contester. The K3 is pretty good, but it most definitely does not have infinite capability to suit any situation. Last I checked, low level pass band mixing was still an issue, as is the hard audio limit for some. Dave AB7E On 2/26/2015 4:06 AM, Bill wrote: > If you don't like the audio from your K3 - you don't have to keep it! > > With all the various AGC, DSP, and filter settings - and the two > equalizers - _your_ K3 can be made to sound any way _you_ want it to > sound. > > It used to be that some radios just plain sounded good or just plain > lousy - for whatever reason(s). The K3 can be anything from lousy to > excellent - it is all up to the user to make the adjustments. Nothing > is fixed in the K3 - there are nearly infinite variables to suit any > situation. You can set it up for weak signal CW or resounding armchair > copy - the choice is yours. The K3 can do it all. > > Now, just why is it that I keep seeing mention of the K3's poor audio? > Sounds to me like it is more the operator is unable to make the > necessary menu selections. Or, more likely, the complainer never > actually heard a K3. > > Now, back to 75 meters and a little Kool-Aide. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From phystad at mac.com Thu Feb 26 13:50:51 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:50:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <81293175-A3F8-46D6-BAA6-80A8563A80B4@mac.com> My two-bits on the topic... I like the audio on my Bose Table-top radio. The music fills the room from the obviously small speakers that it has built-in and it is high quality and high fidelity. But, why in the world would I want or even care about having the same audio fidelity on my K3. I am 90 percent CW and the audio is just fine. I am about 50-50 in using speakers (I have the ComSpeaker pair) and headphones. My headphones are actually cast off older ear buds from my iPhone. For the SSB audio on those times I am using SSB, the audio is just fine. It is the other guys' signals that make up most of the quality or lack of quality in the signal. Yet, if you can understand them, what else do you want. They are not supposed to be singing to you (I think the FCC regs say no music). Yes, I am OK with the Audio of my K3 (and, my KX3). But, when I am listening to a Beethoven piano Sonata I choose the Bose over the Elecraft. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Feb 26, 2015, at 10:18 AM, jim wrote: > > Or......................they have better hearing with a higher frequency > response > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 3:07 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio > > If you don't like the audio from your K3 - you don't have to keep it! > > With all the various AGC, DSP, and filter settings - and the two equalizers > - _your_ K3 can be made to sound any way _you_ want it to sound. > > It used to be that some radios just plain sounded good or just plain lousy - > for whatever reason(s). The K3 can be anything from lousy to excellent - it > is all up to the user to make the adjustments. Nothing is fixed in the K3 - > there are nearly infinite variables to suit any situation. You can set it up > for weak signal CW or resounding armchair copy - the choice is yours. The K3 > can do it all. > > Now, just why is it that I keep seeing mention of the K3's poor audio? > Sounds to me like it is more the operator is unable to make the necessary > menu selections. Or, more likely, the complainer never actually heard a K3. > > Now, back to 75 meters and a little Kool-Aide. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From softblue at windstream.net Thu Feb 26 14:38:43 2015 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:38:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio Message-ID: <004e01d051fb$d446df40$7cd49dc0$@windstream.net> Sure, merely understanding the words is fine when dealing with brief exchanges of call signs and signal reports. And pumped up, penetrating audio can help pump up your adrenalin if one finds excitement in sporting activities. The quality of comfort is a factor for many when participating in extended conversations. If you find no discomfort in what you hear, that's fine, but don't dismiss those who appreciate listening to audio without discomforting artifacts. Some of us enjoy nothing more than an engaging conversation. The acoustical qualities can be a significant factor in that pleasure. A meal can be better with dinnerware and utensils as opposed to using your hands to eat out of a paper bag. Best regards, Dick - KA5KKT From joe at ioka.net Thu Feb 26 14:47:40 2015 From: joe at ioka.net (Joe Hall) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:47:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight Message-ID: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380). Upon installing it in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz (only on 6m) in my panadapter. These spikes are "audible" on my K3 and appear whenever the KPA500 is on, whether in standby or operate. Nothing at all noted on any band other than 6m. A google search of the mailing list archives revealed a couple mentions of the KPA500's LCD backlight. So, I went in and adjusted the LCD brightness. Dropping the brightness to "DAY" (which seems to turn the backlight totally off) completely clears up the spikes on 6m, any setting other than "DAY" and it's there - I can switch back and forth and watch the spikes appear and disappear. My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the backlight." With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my shack. This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the problem. Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other than turning off the backlight? Thanks, Joe / WB1M From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 14:54:00 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:54:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <54EF6A6F.6060305@cis-broadband.com> References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> <54EF6A6F.6060305@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > low level pass band mixing was still an issue If I know exactly what you mean by low level pass band mixing, the multiple weak signal "muddle", that problem was decisively cleared up by the firmware significant digit fix for the AGC algorithm. It was a startling improvement in the K3's sound. It was even more startling in what it did for diversity reception of a weak signal pileup. Prior to the fix, the muddle had been removing the aural clues that the brain uses to create a sound stage. Afterwards, wow. At this point, that fix was a long time ago. Elecraft has been working on the K3 for what, seven years now. Any complaint made first 5 years ago is likely long since fixed, though some, with one complaint fixed, seem to take little joy in that and immediately look for something else to complain about. Some people still have a theoretical complaint about one device in the analog RF/IF RX string, but I have never been able to hear anything they were complaining about. They had their theoretical point no question, but apparently the K3 does not live in the range where that point would be invoked. So no harm, no foul. I don't drink KoolAid. Don't believe in it. But there's a bunch that drinks 55 gallon drums of inverse KoolAid. 73, Guy From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Feb 26 15:06:02 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:06:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> <54EF6A6F.6060305@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: I have the "latest" per Elecraft (Serial 04841). I hear artifacts on it. I have a friend that has a K3 (Serial >06000). He does not hear artifacts on his rig. I do not hear artifacts on his rig He listens to mine, and hears artifacts. I am sending the K3 to Elecraft to have them sort it out. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:54 AM To: David Gilbert Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:48 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > low level pass band mixing was still an issue If I know exactly what you mean by low level pass band mixing, the multiple weak signal "muddle", that problem was decisively cleared up by the firmware significant digit fix for the AGC algorithm. It was a startling improvement in the K3's sound. It was even more startling in what it did for diversity reception of a weak signal pileup. Prior to the fix, the muddle had been removing the aural clues that the brain uses to create a sound stage. Afterwards, wow. At this point, that fix was a long time ago. Elecraft has been working on the K3 for what, seven years now. Any complaint made first 5 years ago is likely long since fixed, though some, with one complaint fixed, seem to take little joy in that and immediately look for something else to complain about. Some people still have a theoretical complaint about one device in the analog RF/IF RX string, but I have never been able to hear anything they were complaining about. They had their theoretical point no question, but apparently the K3 does not live in the range where that point would be invoked. So no harm, no foul. I don't drink KoolAid. Don't believe in it. But there's a bunch that drinks 55 gallon drums of inverse KoolAid. 73, Guy ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From john.meade at freqelec.com Thu Feb 26 15:07:23 2015 From: john.meade at freqelec.com (John Meade W2XS) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:07:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <81293175-A3F8-46D6-BAA6-80A8563A80B4@mac.com> References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> <81293175-A3F8-46D6-BAA6-80A8563A80B4@mac.com> Message-ID: <1424981243880-7599401.post@n2.nabble.com> I received a Bose mini soundlink speaker system for my iPod as a gift from the family. One day, I plugged it into the rear headphone jack of the K3 and tuned into a local AM BCB station playing oldies. It sounded terrific, with nice strong bass. I now use it for all of my K3 operating (which is mostly CW). I never thought that I would use a powered speaker on the K3 but the mini sounds nice and it is small and it is stereo, so the sub-receiver comes through on the right channel. I also use it through the Bluetooth connection for my PC and, of course, the iPod. 73, John W2XS "Yes, I am OK with the Audio of my K3 (and, my KX3). But, when I am listening to a Beethoven piano Sonata I choose the Bose over the Elecraft. 73, phil, K7PEH" -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-perceived-RX-and-TX-audio-tp7599375p7599401.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Feb 26 15:11:38 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:11:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: References: <54EEFE3B.6010902@nycap.rr.com> <54EF6A6F.6060305@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <54EF7DFA.8070306@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,2/26/2015 11:54 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > At this point, that fix was a long time ago. Elecraft has been working on > the K3 for what, seven years now. Any complaint made first 5 years ago is > likely long since fixed, though some, with one complaint fixed, seem to > take little joy in that and immediately look for something else to complain > about. > > Some people still have a theoretical complaint about one device in the > analog RF/IF RX string, but I have never been able to hear anything they > were complaining about. I'm retired from a long career in pro audio (including a lot of recordings of acoustic jazz of the highest musical quality) and time in broadcasting. My ears and brain know the difference between broadcast audio, recording quality audio, and ham radio audio. I mostly work CW, but do SSB and RTTY for contesting and DX chasing, as well as WSJT modes for small signal work. My K3s were bought new and have serial numbers in the range of 800 and 1800 (i.e., the first year of production) and get all the firmware updates. I've never been bothered by what I've heard coming out of good quality headphones connected to my K3s, nor with the audio that I'm transmitting. As Riley Hollingsworth has said on more than one occasion, if you want to transmit broadcast quality audio, buy or go to work at a broadcast station. And I will add, if you want to listen to broadcast or recording quality audio, turn on you home entertainment system. 73, Jim K9YC From mcduffie at ag0n.net Thu Feb 26 15:15:09 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight Message-ID: > This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, > but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the > problem. Joe, this WILL be a problem for me, since almost all of my activity of late is 6m MS, and the amp is almost always used. I've noticed plenty of birdies, but never thought to try to trace them. Since I have no "bandscope", I can only check them one at a time, and will do so now that you have brought it up. Thanks for the heads up. Like you, I can not do without the light. Wayne? Gary From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Feb 26 15:16:35 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:16:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <54EF7F23.1010602@foothill.net> Rarely get on 6m but tried mine and the only birdies I see on my P3 are the permanent ones from the wireless company's gear at the top of my tower. LCD brightness = 8, no change turning KPA500 on/off. There have been various postings in the past about stray signals ultimately traced to bad connectors, chassis connections unbonded, and bad cables. You might poke around a little in those departments. I can see the LCD with backlight off but room lights on, however it's really dim. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/26/2015 11:47 AM, Joe Hall wrote: > Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380). Upon installing it > in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz (only on > 6m) in my panadapter. > Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other > than turning off the backlight? > > Thanks, > Joe / WB1M From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 26 15:33:13 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:33:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <54EF8309.6080909@socal.rr.com> No such problem here, at all, Jim. I wonder if you have a cabling issue? Phil W7OX On 2/26/15 11:47 AM, Joe Hall wrote: > Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380). Upon installing it > in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz (only on > 6m) in my panadapter. These spikes are "audible" on my K3 and appear > whenever the KPA500 is on, whether in standby or operate. Nothing at all > noted on any band other than 6m. > > A google search of the mailing list archives revealed a couple mentions of > the KPA500's LCD backlight. So, I went in and adjusted the LCD brightness. > Dropping the brightness to "DAY" (which seems to turn the backlight totally > off) completely clears up the spikes on 6m, any setting other than "DAY" and > it's there - I can switch back and forth and watch the spikes appear and > disappear. > > My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the > backlight." With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my shack. > > This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, > but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the > problem. > > Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other > than turning off the backlight? > > Thanks, > Joe / WB1M > From w0eb at cox.net Thu Feb 26 15:38:00 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:38:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a few birdies on 6, but after reading your post Jim, I checked them out against the KPA500 and so far I can't find any that I can attribute to the amplifier. I marked down all the ones I could hear with the amplifier on and the LCD as bright as it will go. I then shut the amp off and just to be sure, I disconnected power from it completely. All the birdies originally noted were still there and none changed when I turned the amp back on. I'd check all the cabling connections internal and external to the amp and see if you don't have one that's not completely seated causing a "Pin-1" problem. Jim - W0EB ------ Original Message ------ From: "Phil Wheeler" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/26/2015 2:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight >No such problem here, at all, Jim. I wonder if you have a cabling >issue? > >Phil W7OX > >On 2/26/15 11:47 AM, Joe Hall wrote: >>Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380). Upon >>installing it >>in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz >>(only on >>6m) in my panadapter. These spikes are "audible" on my K3 and appear >>whenever the KPA500 is on, whether in standby or operate. Nothing at >>all >>noted on any band other than 6m. >> >>A google search of the mailing list archives revealed a couple >>mentions of >>the KPA500's LCD backlight. So, I went in and adjusted the LCD >>brightness. >>Dropping the brightness to "DAY" (which seems to turn the backlight >>totally >>off) completely clears up the spikes on 6m, any setting other than >>"DAY" and >>it's there - I can switch back and forth and watch the spikes appear >>and >>disappear. >> >>My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the >>backlight." With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my >>shack. >> >>This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on >>6m, >>but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate >>the >>problem. >> >>Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, >>other >>than turning off the backlight? >> >>Thanks, >>Joe / WB1M >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 15:45:31 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <690105535.745509.1424983531731.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm glad you brought this up I was planning on getting the KPA500 and I also have a darker shackbut I like working 6 meters so this would be an issue for me. From: Joe Hall To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380).? Upon installing it in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz (only on 6m) in my panadapter.? These spikes are "audible" on my K3 and appear whenever the KPA500 is on, whether in standby or operate.? Nothing at all noted on any band other than 6m.? A google search of the mailing list archives revealed a couple mentions of the KPA500's LCD backlight.? So, I went in and adjusted the LCD brightness. Dropping the brightness to "DAY" (which seems to turn the backlight totally off) completely clears up the spikes on 6m, any setting other than "DAY" and it's there - I can switch back and forth and watch the spikes appear and disappear. My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the backlight."? With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my shack. This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the problem.? Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other than turning off the backlight? Thanks, Joe / WB1M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 15:53:17 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio Message-ID: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Is there a list somewhere that gives some guidance on setting up the K3 for good Audio.I've read a little about some of the various AGC settings, but would like a bit more details. I also would like the settings for TX audio, particularly for 2 groups of settings one for Ragchew and one for punch. Thank you From n4rp at n4rp.com Thu Feb 26 15:57:17 2015 From: n4rp at n4rp.com (Ross Primrose) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:57:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EF88AD.90409@n4rp.com> TX audio you're pretty much going to have to figure out on-air with someone who's got great copy on you. What works for you is highly dependent on your voice, mic etc. and will be different than what works for me or anyone else.... 73, Ross N4RP On 2/26/2015 3:53 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I also would like the settings for TX audio, particularly for 2 groups of settings one for Ragchew and one for punch. > Thank you > > -- FCC Section 97.313(a) ?At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.? From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Feb 26 16:00:41 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:00:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <54EF7DFA.8070306@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54EF7DFA.8070306@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <54EF8979.6030306@nycap.rr.com> Sorry to have stirred up so much animosity! I merely wished to point out that the K3 is an extremely capable device, with many menu settings, and should please anyone - if they do their part in setting it up properly. My operating is mostly armchair rag chew - hence, I use a pair of Behringer powered speakers and have my EQ, AGC, and filter settings made to enhance my listening pleasure. I have even given thought to "surround sound" - however, decided that lightning crashes from all sides might be a little much in the summer. I don't really do more than scratch the surface of what the K3 can do. Bill W2BLC K-Line From emoss98133 at msn.com Thu Feb 26 16:01:41 2015 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:01:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <1424984501069-7599411.post@n2.nabble.com> his is my post of Nov, 15 2011: This is what I found as the source of the birdie's in the amp. with the LCD BRT set anywhere from 1 to 8 the birdies are there. with the LCD BRT set to DAY the birds are gone.. I have been working all day with Dale @ Elecraft with this and just sent him a e-mail of what I found. Dale has been very involved in this trying to track this down.. now we need to see just what kind of fix we can come up with.. I can't Thank Dale and crew enough for the support they have put into this, as it appears everyone got envolved. Thanks Again Dale @ crew.. Elecraft sent me a new Front board , as it is due to a bad filter cap on the display driver Ed K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-birdies-on-6m-from-LCD-backlight-tp7599398p7599411.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From WB4SON at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 16:02:42 2015 From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <690105535.745509.1424983531731.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> <690105535.745509.1424983531731.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have an older KPA500. I just scanned the entire 6 meter band and couldn't find the birdies you were referring to. I tried all the brightness levels for the LCD and never noticed anything either on the P3 or in the K3. That made me think of a problem I was having with my P3 a long time ago. The coax that shipped with the unit (interconnection between the K3 and P3) was defective and was letting all sorts of signals into the P3. I replaced that with a high quality coax cable and the issue went away. Is it possible that might by the problem? 73, Bob, WB4SON From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Feb 26 16:04:32 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <54EF88AD.90409@n4rp.com> References: <54EF88AD.90409@n4rp.com> Message-ID: <54EF8A60.4090505@nycap.rr.com> Take a look at: http://www.w2blc.net/K3.htm Just be forewarned - these are settings I use and other users may not like them. Bill W2BLC K-Line From nq5t at tx.rr.com Thu Feb 26 15:48:16 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:48:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <004e01d051fb$d446df40$7cd49dc0$@windstream.net> References: <004e01d051fb$d446df40$7cd49dc0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <5CC47FD2-3BB5-449C-95B2-8CCC837C646A@tx.rr.com> Huh? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > > Sure, merely understanding the words is fine when dealing with brief > exchanges of call signs and signal reports. And pumped up, penetrating > audio can help pump up your adrenalin if one finds excitement in sporting > activities. > > > > The quality of comfort is a factor for many when participating in extended > conversations. > > > > If you find no discomfort in what you hear, that's fine, but don't dismiss > those who appreciate listening to audio without discomforting artifacts. > > > > Some of us enjoy nothing more than an engaging conversation. The acoustical > qualities can be a significant factor in that pleasure. > > > > A meal can be better with dinnerware and utensils as opposed to using your > hands to eat out of a paper bag. > > > > Best regards, > > Dick - KA5KKT > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nq5t at tx.rr.com From scott.manthe at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 16:06:52 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <54EF8AEC.9010500@gmail.com> Which Elecraft support person gave you this response? I've never heard of anyone at Elecraft have that kind of attitude when addressing a customer concern. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 2:47 PM, Joe Hall wrote: > My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the > backlight." With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my shack. > > This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, > but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the > problem. > > Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other > than turning off the backlight? > > Thanks, > Joe / WB1M > > > > From matt at nq6n.com Thu Feb 26 16:12:33 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <54EF8A60.4090505@nycap.rr.com> References: <54EF88AD.90409@n4rp.com> <54EF8A60.4090505@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: If you want ragchew audio it probably makes sense to: - turn the preamp off - use slow AGC - use as wide a passband as band conditions permit (phone) and about 800Hz on CW - in the receive EQ perhaps reduce band 7 and 8 a bit to remove some of the highest pitched sounds/noise - listen through a larger speaker to add a bit more resonance than the built-in speaker can provide. - For TX you can listen on the monitor using headphones and fine tune it to be exactly how you want. I think K9YC had some recommended presets for TX EQ for contest audio. 73, Matt NQ6N On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bill wrote: > Take a look at: http://www.w2blc.net/K3.htm > > Just be forewarned - these are settings I use and other users may not like > them. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 26 16:18:15 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:18:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <54EF8A60.4090505@nycap.rr.com> References: <54EF88AD.90409@n4rp.com> <54EF8A60.4090505@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <54EF8D97.3030807@socal.rr.com> Thanks for posting, Bill. That will make a nice point of reference. Phil W7OX On 2/26/15 1:04 PM, Bill wrote: > Take a look at: http://www.w2blc.net/K3.htm > > Just be forewarned - these are settings I use > and other users may not like them. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line From emoss98133 at msn.com Thu Feb 26 16:23:50 2015 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:23:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <1424985830344-7599418.post@n2.nabble.com> the birdies are about 16kc apart, the same freq as the display driver, Elecraft should know about this, see my above post. after the new board was installed there are NO BIRDIES someone there needs to get up dated on this as a VK also had this problem and it was corrected.. Ed K7WIA ex K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-birdies-on-6m-from-LCD-backlight-tp7599398p7599418.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 26 16:27:49 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <54EF8AEC.9010500@gmail.com> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> <54EF8AEC.9010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54EF8FD5.9070108@embarqmail.com> I can understand his being asked to turn off the backlight as a test or as a temporary workaround, but not as a permanent cure. Perhaps there was a 'glitch' in the communications channels. BTW - the last email from the originator indicated that it has been traced to a bad filter capacitor, so all those who were beginning to think this was 'normal behavior' can rest easy - it was only a problem with one KPA500. As attributed to by several other posts saying that others did not find any 6 meter responses originating from their KPA500, I would say it is not a widespread problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/26/2015 4:06 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > Which Elecraft support person gave you this response? I've never heard > of anyone at Elecraft have that kind of attitude when addressing a > customer concern. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA From marrotte at verizon.net Thu Feb 26 17:22:03 2015 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> References: <000001d051fd$1627fec0$4277fc40$@ioka.net> Message-ID: <000401d05212$a5de90a0$f19bb1e0$@verizon.net> Hi Joe, I have KPA500 S/N 2381. Mine was a kit also. I just checked out 6 meters and can hear no birdies that seem to coming from the amp. I hear just a couple that are there with or without the LCD backlight on. Same results with the amp off or on. Roger, W1EM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Hall Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:48 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight Just got a KPA500 kit a couple of weeks ago (S/N 2380). Upon installing it in my system I immediately noticed sharp spikes about every 9.5 kHz (only on 6m) in my panadapter. These spikes are "audible" on my K3 and appear whenever the KPA500 is on, whether in standby or operate. Nothing at all noted on any band other than 6m. A google search of the mailing list archives revealed a couple mentions of the KPA500's LCD backlight. So, I went in and adjusted the LCD brightness. Dropping the brightness to "DAY" (which seems to turn the backlight totally off) completely clears up the spikes on 6m, any setting other than "DAY" and it's there - I can switch back and forth and watch the spikes appear and disappear. My email to elecraft support resulted in a response of "turn off the backlight." With no backlight the KPA500 display is unreadable in my shack. This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the problem. Anyone else seen this and/or have any ideas about how to deal with it, other than turning off the backlight? Thanks, Joe / WB1M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marrotte at verizon.net From mcduffie at ag0n.net Thu Feb 26 17:33:50 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:33:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:15:09 -0700, mcduffie at ag0n.net wrote: > > > This is a relatively minor issue for me given that I rarely operate on 6m, > > but I'm anal enough that I'd prefer to solve rather than accommodate the > > problem. > > Joe, this WILL be a problem for me, since almost all of my activity of late is > 6m MS, and the amp is almost always used. I've noticed plenty of birdies, but > never thought to try to trace them. Since I have no "bandscope", I can only > check them one at a time, and will do so now that you have brought it up. > > Thanks for the heads up. Like you, I can not do without the light. No evidence of it here. I checked the bottom 500KHz from 50.000 up and every birdie I have stayed when the display light was turned off. If you can offer specific frequencies to check, I'd be glad to do it. Gary From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Feb 26 17:33:42 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:33:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EF9F46.30005@foothill.net> Don't know your call Harry, but your question about RX EQ is a bit like going into a mattress store and asking, "What pillow will be most comfortable for me?":-) Only you hear like you do, only you can tell what you like and then only by adjusting and trying it out. A couple of suggestions however: 1. One adjustment at a time followed by way more than 60 seconds of listening. The effects are subtle, and if you move too fast, you'll just get frustrated ... and be tempted to post that the K3 RX EQ is worthless, which has happened once. :-)) 2. Test each setting under varied band conditions ... quiet SSB, CQ WPX SSB [or whatever] before more adjusting. My hearing is severely compromised and has been since one night 50 years ago on the other side of the planet. I adjusted mine to look roughly like the inverse of my audiogram. I need about 80 dB above 1200 Hz and over 95 dB above 2 KHz, which is beyond the range of the RX EQ, but you can get an effective 30 dB of adjustment range by lowering the low frequencies, boosting the highs, and turning up the AF gain, if that's your goal. It's not as good as my hearing aids, but then, my K3 is a ham radio, not a hearing aid. I've actually found that just using the SHIFT knob when on SSB, I can quickly adjust the response for different voices if I'm having a hard time copying a DX call or a really weak station. > > I also would like the settings for TX audio, particularly for 2 > groups of settings one for Ragchew and one for punch. Thank you I don't ragchew much and I'm not sure how to measure "punch," but I started with K9YC's settings since he retired out of professional audio and I know him, tweaked them a tiny bit for my voice with a local who knows what I sound like, and often get unsolicited "great audio" comments on SSB. My settings are: 1: -16 2: -12 3: -6 4: -2 5: 0 6: +4 7: +6 8: +10 YMMV, but in general the lower 2 registers, and even #3 to some extent do not contribute much at all to communications efficiency. The upper 2 or so boost the sibilant components which do enhance the difference between many words. I use a Heil ProSet with the iC2 electret element I got from Elecraft. I think you will find, if you spend enough time with it, that your compression and mic gain/ALC settings will have at least as much effect on the "quality" of your TX signal as the TX EQ, and maybe more. The first four bars on the ALC meter are not ALC, they're showing audio level. ALC action is indicated by the 5th and above [I think I have that right, I'm sure I'll be corrected if necessary]. My shack is pretty quiet when I'm on SSB, I run between 8 and 10 dB peak compression, and set the mic gain so the 5th bar flickers as I speak. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 2/26/2015 12:53 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > Is there a list somewhere that gives some guidance on setting up the > K3 for good Audio.I've read a little about some of the various AGC > settings, but would like a bit more details. From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Feb 26 17:42:53 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:42:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 130, Issue 59 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yay!from one who actually links ?link.? And Yay! as well to Eric and Wayne for listening to the voices of the crowd. Ted KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:40:01 +0000 >From: "Jim's Desktop" >To: "Elecraft Mailing List" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest K3 firmware release (5.13) restores > DUAL PB CW function >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 > >Also not mentioned in the release notes - the ability to actually assign >"LINK" to PF1 or PF2 by selecting the menu item and then holding the PF1 >or PF2 button for a couple seconds now actually works as well. Just >tested it. > >Jim - W0EB > > >>On 26/02/2015 11:50, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>K3 beta firmware rev. 5.13 is now available on our K3 software page. >>> >>>We neglected to mention in the release notes that the original "DUAL >>>PB" CW function has been added back in. >>> >>>73, >>>Wayne >>>N6KR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Feb 26 17:51:28 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:51:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - What settings to use for RX and TX Audio In-Reply-To: <54EF9F46.30005@foothill.net> References: <787951478.739556.1424983997235.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EF9F46.30005@foothill.net> Message-ID: <54EFA370.5030505@socal.rr.com> On 2/26/15 2:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > My hearing is severely compromised and has been > since one night 50 years ago on the other side > of the planet. I adjusted mine to look roughly > like the inverse of my audiogram. Funny about that, Fred. I listen with both a speaker and an earbud (one ear has deaf for 49 years). With the speaker I have my hearing aid to compensate as above. The earbud bypasses the hearing aid's mic so its as tho it's not there. Over the ear headphones are troublesome with the hearing aid and glass frames behind one ear. Such problems we have. The good news is I don't need a second RX in my K3 :-) At least Elecraft is not like a mattress store: That would drive me out of the hobby! 73, Phil W7OX From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 18:07:43 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight In-Reply-To: <54EF8FD5.9070108@embarqmail.com> References: <54EF8FD5.9070108@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1942267237.823581.1424992063596.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight I can understand his being asked to turn off the backlight as a test or as a temporary workaround, but not as a permanent cure.? Perhaps there was a 'glitch' in the communications channels. BTW - the last email from the originator indicated that it has been traced to a bad filter capacitor, so all those who were beginning to think this was 'normal behavior' can rest easy - it was only a problem with one KPA500.? As attributed to by several other posts saying that others did not find any 6 meter responses originating from their KPA500, I would say it is not a widespread problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/26/2015 4:06 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > Which Elecraft support person gave you this response? I've never heard > of anyone at Elecraft have that kind of attitude when addressing a > customer concern. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Thu Feb 26 18:32:01 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:32:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Message-ID: <201502261732.01767.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century can read the translated statement here": http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet 73, Al From thom2 at att.net Thu Feb 26 18:53:05 2015 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:53:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <201502261732.01767.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> References: <201502261732.01767.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Message-ID: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." > (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) > There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century can > read the translated statement here": > > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet > > 73, Al > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 19:10:51 2015 From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> References: <201502261732.01767.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> Message-ID: Code may be antiquated, but it will work just fine when their towers fail... 72, Joshua Gould K8WXA EM89pn KX3# 7480 NAQCC # 7704 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Tom McCulloch wrote: > I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! > > Tom > WB2QDG > K2 1103 > > > > On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > >> "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- >> - .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." >> (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their >> website.) >> There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century >> can >> read the translated statement here": >> >> http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback- >> thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet >> >> 73, Al >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to thom2 at att.net >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jg.k8wxa at gmail.com > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 19:43:31 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio In-Reply-To: <54EF8979.6030306@nycap.rr.com> References: <54EF8979.6030306@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1943179163.889390.1424997811754.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?I'm glad this topic came up since I know My K3 can sound better if I take the time to work through the settings. There are a lot of settings to play with and a lot of them are ones I've never seen on other radios(Plus I was out of radio for a while and how quickly we forget). From: Bill To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - perceived RX and TX audio Sorry to have stirred up so much animosity! I merely wished to point out that the K3 is an extremely capable device, with many menu settings, and should please anyone - if they do their part in setting it up properly. My operating is mostly armchair rag chew - hence, I use a pair of Behringer powered speakers and have my EQ, AGC, and filter settings made to enhance my listening pleasure. I have even given thought to "surround sound" - however, decided that lightning crashes from all sides might be a little much in the summer. I don't really do more than scratch the surface of what the K3 can do. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Thu Feb 26 20:14:39 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> Message-ID: <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Even the Translated one is interesting From: Tom McCulloch To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! Tom WB2QDG K2 1103 On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ...? -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -.? -... -.--? - .... .? ..-. -.-. -.-." > (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their website.) > There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century can > read the translated statement here": > > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet > > 73, Al > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 20:31:14 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:31:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen weren't going to get any of it. The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" it. Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** make. . No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. 73, Guy. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Even the Translated one is interesting > From: Tom McCulloch > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: > in Morse code!! > > I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! > > Tom > WB2QDG > K2 1103 > > > On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > > "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - > .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." > > (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their > website.) > > There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century > can > > read the translated statement here": > > > > > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet > > > > 73, Al > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From esteptony at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 20:57:12 2015 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" > it.... > ========== Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a regulator. Tony KT0NY From thom2 at att.net Thu Feb 26 21:02:50 2015 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:02:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EFD04A.2080900@att.net> Guy is right. And we have Al Gore to thank! ;-) Tom wb2qdg K2# 1103 PS -- that's enough of this, here comes Eric! :-[ T On 2/26/2015 8:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > > ...The internet is a national resource... > -- Life is too short for the Economy Button From pirey4 at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 21:23:23 2015 From: pirey4 at gmail.com (Phil Irey) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Auto tuner relays clicking when tuning through AM Broadcast Band Message-ID: <2032679D-D2A9-49C7-ACC6-C6F2223727FC@gmail.com> I have not heard the auto tuner relays engage while tuning on other bands. Is this normal? I know that the ?the KXAT3 also includes an automatically tuned filter for the AM broadcast band that tracks the VFO, improving image rejection for signals in the 0.3-1.0 MHz range?. Is the filter tuning driven by the VFO what I hear? Thanks, phil - K4PMI From scott.manthe at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 21:47:38 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:47:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> Tony, All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >> it.... >> ========== > Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, Netflix, can > corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet > traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. > Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a > regulator. > > Tony KT0NY > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Thu Feb 26 22:06:24 2015 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:06:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nobody has explained it any better than you have in this short paragraph, Scott. This is a national resource and the American people should be the beneficiaries. The ones everyone seems to be forgetting are the customers--the American people. Everything's always about corporations anymore, not ordinary Americans. Someone said they should make money the old fashioned way. Yea, by satisfying customers, not by manipulating our laws in their favor. Eric KE6US On 2/26/2015 6:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > Tony, > All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well > as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. > Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. > It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their > customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy > world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able > to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the > one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > > On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >> wrote: >> >>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >>> it.... >>> ========== >> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >> Netflix, can >> corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of >> internet >> traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. >> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm >> not a >> regulator. >> >> Tony KT0NY >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 26 22:33:43 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:33:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> On 2015-02-26 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, > Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for > up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only > beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. Netflix and other information providers play plenty to enter the data on the web. Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, etc. have no business holding the end users for ransom when it comes to receiving that data and/or determining what data the user may access. At least they are being told they can't do with broadband what they (the cable companies) have done to niche players in the video arena for decades (pay for play). Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- where west of Last Gasp. Cable companies have forever "creamed" their franchise areas, shaking down developers for the cost of wiring new projects and/or demanding CC&Rs that limit access to competing service, and wiring high density housing while bypassing older areas with one home per one, five or ten acres even when both are encompassed by the same franchise territory. Perhaps this will start to put an end to one of the poorest performing and most variable user access systems in the world. When it comes to data rates and cost the US isn't even in the top tier. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From w0mu at w0mu.com Thu Feb 26 23:08:26 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:08:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really know what is in them? I am not a big fan of the gov't sticking their fingers into everything. I have no more trust in them handling this any better than everything else the touch, regulate, control, etc. I am quite skeptical of the reasons behind this less than transparent change. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 8:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 2015-02-26 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >> Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for >> up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only >> beneficiary of this ruling. Everybody else is subsidizing them. > > Netflix and other information providers play plenty to enter the > data on the web. Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, etc. have > no business holding the end users for ransom when it comes to > receiving that data and/or determining what data the user may > access. At least they are being told they can't do with broadband > what they (the cable companies) have done to niche players in the > video arena for decades (pay for play). > > Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like > common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are > and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price > to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- > where west of Last Gasp. Cable companies have forever "creamed" their > franchise areas, shaking down developers for the cost of wiring new > projects and/or demanding CC&Rs that limit access to competing service, > and wiring high density housing while bypassing older areas with one > home per one, five or ten acres even when both are encompassed by the > same franchise territory. > > Perhaps this will start to put an end to one of the poorest performing > and most variable user access systems in the world. When it comes to > data rates and cost the US isn't even in the top tier. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Thu Feb 26 23:09:22 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> Message-ID: <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> On 2/26/2015 7:33 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Not only should the consumer access providers be treated like > common carriers, they should be treated like public utilities they are > and be required to provide equivalent service levels at the same price > to all customers whether they live in the metropolitan core or some- > where west of Last Gasp. That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not insisting on that but creating this "information service" category rather than putting them in the "telecommunications service" category from the beginning. As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the "broadband" infrastructure providers get a taste of that. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From dave at nk7z.net Thu Feb 26 23:09:37 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:09:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1425010177.7140.17.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> That's 35% of the US traffic, not "Internet traffic". Also, the reason Netflix uses so much bandwidth is because they have customers who use that bandwidth! I see zero issue with the latest ruling. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 19:57 -0600, Tony Estep wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > > > ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" > > it.... > > ========== > > Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, Netflix, can > corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of internet > traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. > Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm not a > regulator. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From k9fd at flex.com Thu Feb 26 23:18:43 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 18:18:43 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54EFF023.5040306@flex.com> Just remember its brought to you by the same people who said you can keep your doctor, keep your health plan, As FCC commissioner said today, no worries you can keep your internet, we will make it better.. > Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to > charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were > counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen > weren't going to get any of it. > > The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" it. > Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... > > I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to > keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some > of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast > tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra > bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** > make. . > > No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. > > 73, Guy. > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> Even the Translated one is interesting >> From: Tom McCulloch >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >> in Morse code!! >> >> I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! >> >> Tom >> WB2QDG >> K2 1103 >> >> >> On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: >>> "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - >> .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." >>> (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their >> website.) >>> There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century >> can >>> read the translated statement here": >>> >>> >> http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet >>> 73, Al >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to thom2 at att.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From lists at subich.com Thu Feb 26 23:30:05 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:30:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really > know what is in them? Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband was not a utility". Seems to me the industry got what they wanted forced the Commission to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV From cf at cfcorp.com Fri Feb 27 00:05:43 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:05:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> Message-ID: <048d01d0524b$09d51a10$1d7f4e30$@com> *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internet, and then got the .gov on their side. 73, K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really > know what is in them? Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband was not a utility". Seems to me the industry got what they wanted forced the Commission to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From joe at ioka.net Fri Feb 27 00:23:06 2015 From: joe at ioka.net (Joe Hall) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:23:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500: birdies on 6m from LCD backlight - follow-up Message-ID: <000301d0524d$78fab4c0$6af01e40$@ioka.net> I appreciate the many replies I received about my KPA500 birdies. Some of you let me know that your KPA500 doesn't exhibit this issue, which is good to know. Others encouraged me to call Elecraft and escalate the issue, including one of the folks who posted to this list a couple of years back with a similar problem (resolved with a replacement front panel circuit board). Elecraft reached out on their own and is sending a replacement front panel circuit board. Thanks to them for stepping up. Joe / WB1M From ho13dave at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 00:30:05 2015 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:30:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> Message-ID: <54F000DD.40005@gmail.com> Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get so grossly unbalanced that the pot of gold is then worth the effort (see MCI vs AT&T). The internet has grown rapidly *because* it is not regulated. Once it gets regulated then everything must go through regulatory approval. There will fewer and fewer new services. A good example of this is 'high speed' - 64 kb - data service to the home. AT&T had the technology available in the early to mid 70's. Called it ISDN. But due to both internal politics and regulatory issues it was not rolled out until the early 90's. Much too late. The same thing will happen once the pols take over the internet. Nothing will get approved without them getting their cut. As for those who say the the internet is a utility . . . well . . . your electric service is a utility. Does everyone pay the same electric bill no matter how much electricity they use? Broadband should be no different. Those who use the most should pay the most. There is no justification for taxing those who use little bandwidth to subsidize the heavy users. Let the heavy users pay their fair share and not burden those who are light users. Just as in electricity, it is cheap and easy to measure the quantity consumed by each user. No justification whatsoever for charging one flat fee to all (none that is, other than "I want somebody else to pay for my bandwidth"). 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 2/26/15 10:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really >> know what is in them? > > Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - > the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the > Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband > was not a utility". > > Seems to me the industry got what they wanted forced the Commission > to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice > and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who > in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very > same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons > that voice and cable are utilities? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com > From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 00:51:54 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:51:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the B&W days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > Tony, > All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well > as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. > Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. > It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their > customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy > world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able > to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the > one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > > On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >> wrote: >> >>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >>> it.... >>> ========== >> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >> Netflix, can >> corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of >> internet >> traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. >> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm >> not a >> regulator. >> >> Tony KT0NY >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Feb 27 01:27:35 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:27:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand "small government" have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the > professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not > insisting on that but creating this "information service" category > rather than putting them in the "telecommunications service" category > from the beginning. > > As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make > sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the "broadband" > infrastructure providers get a taste of that. From w0mu at w0mu.com Fri Feb 27 02:12:45 2015 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> Dick, I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build a system to you out in the desert? That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered at the time WAY out there. My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one provider for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL. Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to take up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it. While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make you ill. Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to police this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that? The tax payer. More taxes. I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't think they were much different, we just got smarter. There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with > DSL and streaming > movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the B&W days. > > If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: >> Tony, >> All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as >> well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. >> Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. >> It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their >> customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy >> world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able >> to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the >> one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. >> >> 73, >> Scott, N9AA >> >> >> On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >>>> it.... >>>> ========== >>> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >>> Netflix, can >>> corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up to 35% of >>> internet >>> traffic, and is really the one and only beneficiary of this ruling. >>> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm >>> not a >>> regulator. >>> >>> Tony KT0NY >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From cf at cfcorp.com Fri Feb 27 02:12:36 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:12:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <04a601d0525c$c3c76d40$4b5647c0$@com> In my younger years I thought of the FCC of a regulatory and technology body. My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. UPS argued that the reallocation was in the "public interest" and they would put the spectrum to good use. After a ruling in their favor, UPS never commercially deployed and the spectrum was unused for quite some time. Be sure to read the fine print and understand the players. One person's regulation is another person's corporatism. 73, K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand "small government" have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the > professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not > insisting on that but creating this "information service" category > rather than putting them in the "telecommunications service" category > from the beginning. > > As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make > sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the "broadband" > infrastructure providers get a taste of that. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From ktalbott at gamewood.net Fri Feb 27 02:21:54 2015 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 02:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <048d01d0524b$09d51a10$1d7f4e30$@com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> <048d01d0524b$09d51a10$1d7f4e30$@com> Message-ID: <00b601d0525e$10c67770$32536650$@gamewood.net> The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - FOREVER. Remember: No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain (1866) Ken - ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire internet From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Feb 27 02:22:31 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:22:31 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Message-ID: <201502270722.t1R7MVfZ046526@denali.acsalaska.net> I had an issue with my ISP a few years ago. We had been using DSL for a few years without trouble when all of a sudden our access would drop out about once every 2-3 minutes making is impossible to download or upload e-mail or view a website. I called the tech line of our ISP and asked that they troubleshoot it. They came back saying that our connection equipment at the local wire site was old and needed to be upgraded (which would take several months they implied). I countered by saying that its real "funny" that we have had good fast service for a couple years and now all of sudden our equipment is unable to support the service we have been enjoying. I then said "that certainly the phone company didn't swap out our equipment (with old junk) to turn up a new customer - did they?" Our ISP was expanding at an explosive pace so it wouldn't surprise me if they did just that. Then I said our service better be fixed, today or I will file a complaint against them with the State RCA (Regulatory Commission of Alaska). Then I hung up. Our internet service was fixed in one hour...and never had another issue like that, again. Funny how speaking the "magic words" solves problems. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Feb 27 02:26:20 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 02:26:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net>, <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: <54F01C1C.7338.743A597@Gary.ka1j.com> I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit from their services. Come here, want to buy some candy? My reality is I pay our local Cable provider $102/month for expanded Basic which has all of the major networks I am interested in. With this I also get internet which officially is 100Mbps download/20Mbps upload. In reality I get 125Mbps download/30Mbps upload. None of my downloading is throttled, ever. No way Verizon or Comcast will give me all this for $102/month. 73, Gary KA1J > Looks like they are really p*ssed off that they are not going to be able to > charge all that extra money for using fast channels. Guess they were > counting on getting that in their executive bonuses. I'm sure the repairmen > weren't going to get any of it. > > The internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" it. > Instead try making money the old-fashioned way... > > I pay money every month for extra bandwidth. That ought to be enough to > keep that bandwidth and not have it whittled down by slow tracks for some > of my preferred stuff. Slow tracks are the inevitable result of fast > tracks. Further **I** want to decide where I spend **my** paid-for extra > bandwidth, not have it decided for me by Verizon based on money **they** > make. . > > No sympathy, but you probably already figured that out. > > 73, Guy. > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Even the Translated one is interesting > > From: Tom McCulloch > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: > > in Morse code!! > > > > I'm sure Verizon's sarcasm will be lost on most! > > > > Tom > > WB2QDG > > K2 1103 > > > > > > On 2/26/2015 6:32 PM, Al Gulseth wrote: > > > "- --- -.. .- -.-- .----. ... -.. . -.-. .. ... .. --- -. -... -.-- - > > .... . ..-. -.-. -.-." > > > (and so on: I think you get the drift - yes, it's this way on their > > website.) > > > There's a small note at the bottom stating "Readers in the 21st century > > can > > > read the translated statement here": > > > > > > > > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/fccs-throwback-thursday-move-imposes-1930s-rules-on-the-internet > > > > > > 73, Al > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 02:38:50 2015 From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (M5KVK - Gareth) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using CAL FIL and Spectrogram to set up the K2 filters In-Reply-To: <54EF273D.8080704@embarqmail.com> References: <54EF273D.8080704@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4A12BF52-0538-4E27-BE8F-C086AC29A937@gmail.com> Good points, Don. Last night, I experimented using DM780 (the datamodes program in the HRD suite) to visualise the audio rather than using Spectogram. I found that the waterfall made it much easier to see the "shape" of the filters. I don't have a noise generator so I'm using band noise. The randomness makes it quite difficult to see the shape in Spectogram; particularly at low audio; whereas a waterfall is more defined. I'll return to the setting up of the filters at the weekend and report back. Incidentally, using the waterfall exposed that I hadn't actually set the VCO calibration as I originally thought. As I said earlier, I actually tuned off WWV by 600Hz. Now I'm using a waterfall I can see that I was actually tuning the 100Hz timecode subcarrier. Gareth, M5KVK Sent from my iPad > On 26 Feb 2015, at 14:01, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Gareth, > > Good work. May I offer a couple suggestions: > 1) On SSB filters other than the FL1 OP1 filter, look carefully at the actual filter width. On many K2s, the actual width is far wider than that indicated by the K2 display. You ideally want to have each filter progression about 200 to 300 Hz more narrow then the prior filter. The easiest way to set that up is to first do LSB - the low frequency slope of the passband will not move substantially as you adjust the width. The set the BFOs for the filters after adjusting00 the width. > > 2) Rather than using SSB FL4 for PSK and other data modes, turn on RTTY in the secondary menu. That gives you another set of filters and an independent compression setting from SSB and you don't have to remember to turn compression off when using data modes. I normally set RTTY FL1 the same as SSB FL1 (including the BFO settings - RTTY is LSB and RTTY rev is USB) and then set the FL2 to 1000 Hz, FL3 to 700 Hz and FL4 to 400 Hz widths. I center those 3 filters on 1000 Hz. If you are not able to properly center the 400 Hz wide filter, you will have to pad the BFO with a small value capacitor (try 15 to 22pF) between pins 6 and 3 of RF board U11 - then recheck the BFO range. If you do have to make that change, you will need to re-do all the BFO alignments. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 2/26/2015 8:29 AM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote: >> Having finally got my KSB2 board working (it was a hi-resistance solder joint: enough to depress performance but not stop all signals), and calibrated the dial, I turned to setting up the filters. >> >> I started with the filter widths and BFO settings in the KSB2 manual, but it didn't sound right. So I decided to use WWV and Spectrogram. >> >> Now that I knew that the VFO was OK, I set it to 10000.00. No audio on LSB or USB, which is good. >> I then tuned off by 600Hz to create a steady signal at 10000.60kHz (9999.40kHz on the other sideband) and displayed the audio on spectrogram with a 600Hz marker set. >> I then went through CAL FIL, adjusting the BFO so that the audio tone was exactly 600Hz. >> >> I did this on all modes and filter widths: except FL4 on LSB and USB, which I adjusted for a 1000Hz centre (so I can use them for PSK31). >> >> I was surprised how far off the displayed spectrum was with the factory settings. On USB FL4, the centre was at 400Hz with the manual?s suggested BFO setting. >> >> 73, Gareth M5KVK > From pincon at erols.com Fri Feb 27 07:23:55 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:23:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com><54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <340CC4F9C3CC415085FEA8EA67CF904E@PC121161970429> Net Neutrality is no more than a guvmint takeover of the internet. Look at what a mess they're making of our healthcare system. Net Neutrality is no more "neutral" than the our healthcare is "affordable" as in the "affordable healthcare act. Their ultimate goal is content control and secondarily, to impose more taxes. Be careful what you wish (vote) for. Charlie k3ICH Who was it who said if the gov't was put in charge of the Sahara, in five years there's be a shortage of sand. From eric at elecraft.com Fri Feb 27 07:26:27 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F01C1C.7338.743A597@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54F01C1C.7338.743A597@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <13572DF1-3532-474C-86C9-AC8E72463823@elecraft.com> Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic. Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list. 73, Eric List Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit > from their services. > > .... From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Fri Feb 27 07:59:22 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 06:59:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> Message-ID: <009801d0528d$356f5720$a04e0560$@com> Just another one (of many) of "The KINGS Decrees" that his flunkies were commanded to make happed that he didn't have to do with a stroke of his pen. That way didn't take away from his golf game time. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really > know what is in them? Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband was not a utility". Seems to me the industry got what they wanted forced the Commission to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons that voice and cable are utilities? 73, ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Fri Feb 27 08:10:23 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:10:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <009901d0528e$bfa88370$3ef98a50$@com> I live in the country 7 mi. from town pop. Of 7,900 and we have wireless internet with speed of 1 meg. But that's OK we lived for over 20 yrs with dial-up for 10 of those. We had that choice and made it I would hate to see what the so called higher speeds would cost us and would hate to pay for everyone else's either. As for movies we can't watch any and most of the time can't watch a u-tube without it stopping a dozen times for a 3 min. one. The FCC has no business in this area period, even if the King want it. 73, Fred/N0AZZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:13 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Dick, I am curious who do you think is going to pay for who ever it is to build a system to you out in the desert? That is a trade off for moving out in the boon docks. When we moved to Colorado we had party lines. We lived in Parker and that was considered at the time WAY out there. My office is in Castle Rock, CO a town of 30k plus. We have one provider for internet. Century link. I think it is up to 9mb now DSL. Xfininity is working on bringing their cable down the road. Project to take up to 9 months. I have no clue how they are paying for it. While you may get your internet, what you have to pay for it might make you ill. Let us not forget all the new add on taxes and fees that will be paying because of all these regulations and the expense that the providers are going to have to pay to stay within the regulations. Who is going to police this? Oh the FCC needs to hire more staff. Who pays for that? The tax payer. More taxes. I think we were just scared of the big ole FCC back in the day. I don't think they were much different, we just got smarter. There is no pot of gold. The money comes from somebody. Mike W0MU On 2/26/2015 10:51 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: > Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with > DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral > back in the B&W days. > > If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: >> Tony, >> All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as >> well as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. >> Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. >> It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their >> customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy >> world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able >> to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the >> one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. >> >> 73, >> Scott, N9AA >> >> >> On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >>>> it.... >>>> ========== >>> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >>> Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for >>> up to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only >>> beneficiary of this ruling. >>> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm >>> not a regulator. >>> >>> Tony KT0NY >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> w1ksz at earthlink.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w0mu at w0mu.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 08:35:21 2015 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:35:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Another painless firmware upload to the K3 Message-ID: <54F07299.5020201@gmail.com> I love it when a plan comes together. I use a Timewave "Navigator" as an interface to my K3/P3 and a firmware update is one click and sit back and watch it go. No cable changes, no going direct to the K3, just the normal CAT hookup, confuser to the P3, cable from P3 to K3. Started using the Navigator when it was marketed by U.S. Interface and now have a nice shiny new one sitting here. I use DATA A for all digital modes except RTTY which is FSK for me here. The Winkeyer in the Navigator is flawless in its operations on CW. I run HRD 6 as a software suite. With the best radio I have ever owned and I have checked out a bunch in my 61 years of ham radio, I am a happy camper. 73s Jim, W4ATK K-Line From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Feb 27 09:51:39 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:51:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Shipping Times Message-ID: Info for those who asked about order and shipping status - I ordered on Feb. 14 and just received notice that they were shipped Feb. 26, due here in Denver March 3. Ted, KN1CBR From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 10:03:02 2015 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <13572DF1-3532-474C-86C9-AC8E72463823@elecraft.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54F01C1C.7338.743A597@Gary.ka1j.com> <13572DF1-3532-474C-86C9-AC8E72463823@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54F08726.6@earthlink.net> Amen. There is a Yahoo Group for those who wish to discuss this: * Net Neutrality - Fact or Fiction 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/27/2015 5:26 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Folks, thread closed. This is way too OT. Please do not make posts on this topic. > > Please continue this discussion elsewhere, off-list. > > 73, > Eric > List Moderator > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > >> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:26 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >> >> I keep getting ads for Comcast & Verizon on how much I will benefit >> from their services. >> >> .... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net > From roycraft at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 10:06:23 2015 From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F000DD.40005@gmail.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> <54F000DD.40005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F087EF.5030406@comcast.net> I am Comcast's customer. Not Netflix. I pay more for a higher grade of service (higher speed). I'm paying for the pipe. How I use it is my business. Comcast shouldn't further tax the other end of my connection or slow it down because the other end isn't paying Comcast anything. Have you looked at your cable bill lately? Companies like Comcast aren't suffering and it is to their advantage to improve services because they can continue, under the new regulations, charge us, their customers, more. 73, Ted, W2ZK On 2/27/2015 12:30 AM, dave wrote: > > Be careful what you wish for here. Keep in mind that once the > entrenched providers get the regs they crave new services will grind > to a halt. There will simply be too many barriers to entry. No new > competitors will enter the field. At least not until the subsidies get > so grossly unbalanced that the pot of gold is then worth the effort > (see MCI vs AT&T). > > The internet has grown rapidly *because* it is not regulated. Once it > gets regulated then everything must go through regulatory approval. > There will fewer and fewer new services. > > A good example of this is 'high speed' - 64 kb - data service to the > home. AT&T had the technology available in the early to mid 70's. > Called it ISDN. But due to both internal politics and regulatory > issues it was not rolled out until the early 90's. Much too late. The > same thing will happen once the pols take over the internet. Nothing > will get approved without them getting their cut. > > As for those who say the the internet is a utility . . . well . . . > your electric service is a utility. Does everyone pay the same > electric bill no matter how much electricity they use? Broadband > should be no different. Those who use the most should pay the most. > There is no justification for taxing those who use little bandwidth to > subsidize the heavy users. Let the heavy users pay their fair share > and not burden those who are light users. > > Just as in electricity, it is cheap and easy to measure the quantity > consumed by each user. No justification whatsoever for charging one > flat fee to all (none that is, other than "I want somebody else to pay > for my bandwidth"). > > 73 de dave > ab9ca/4 > > > > On 2/26/15 10:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> On 2015-02-26 11:08 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >>> Has anyone read the regulations that they kept hidden? Do we really >>> know what is in them? >> >> Look at the last set of "Net Neutrality" regulations from the FCC - >> the ones that the industry had over turned on the grounds that the >> Commission did not have the authority to adopt them because "Broadband >> was not a utility". >> >> Seems to me the industry got what they wanted forced the Commission >> to reclassify "Information Service" as "Communications Utility." Voice >> and cable have been regulated as utilities for a very long time - who >> in their right mind would consider broadband data delivered on the very >> same networks to be anything other than a utility for the very reasons >> that voice and cable are utilities? >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ho13dave at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2zk at comcast.net > From phystad at mac.com Fri Feb 27 10:08:30 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:08:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <428B39D4-97DB-4CA2-BC39-985897DA0FD5@mac.com> I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space. As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test (speedtest.net) and my results are: 124.39 Mbps download 12.35 Mbps upload My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster. Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology. P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished that I had that service at home where dialup was still king. 73, phil, K7PEH From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 10:12:20 2015 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Shipping Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For those interested, ordered Feb 13, the KSYN3A arrived on my desk here in the UK this morning. USPS cheapest international option ("cheap" is a relative term!). On 27 February 2015 at 14:51, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Info for those who asked about order and shipping status - I ordered on > Feb. 14 and just received notice that they were shipped Feb. 26, due here > in Denver March 3. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From phystad at mac.com Fri Feb 27 10:13:47 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 07:13:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <00b601d0525e$10c67770$32536650$@gamewood.net> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> <048d01d0524b$09d51a10$1d7f4e30$@com> <00b601d0525e$10c67770$32536650$@gamewood.net> Message-ID: <9BC60581-917E-4B5C-AE98-B9000D49EE3B@mac.com> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are controlled individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and then own you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to have a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional control centers. > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott wrote: > > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your out of > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a way to > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - > FOREVER. Remember: > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in > session. -- Mark Twain (1866) > Ken - ke4rg > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff > Frescura > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in > Morse code!! > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the entire > internet > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From colin.g3psm at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 10:30:06 2015 From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin Thomas) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:30:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <9BC60581-917E-4B5C-AE98-B9000D49EE3B@mac.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDBA.5070804@w0mu.com> <54EFF2CD.4050505@subich.com> <048d01d0524b$09d51a10$1d7f4e30$@com> <00b601d0525e$10c67770$32536650$@gamewood.net> <9BC60581-917E-4B5C-AE98-B9000D49EE3B@mac.com> Message-ID: Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad wrote: > Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are > controlled > individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and > then own > you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to > have > a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional > control > centers. > > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott > wrote: > > > > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your > out of > > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a > way to > > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - > > FOREVER. Remember: > > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is > in > > session. -- Mark Twain (1866) > > Ken - ke4rg > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Cliff > > Frescura > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: > in > > Morse code!! > > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a > > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the > entire > > internet > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com > From w0eb at cox.net Fri Feb 27 10:41:06 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim's Desktop) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:41:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Colin Thomas" To: Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! >Guys, > >Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! > >You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. > >73 > >Colin, G3PSM > > > >On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves >>are >> controlled >> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and >> then own >> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice >>to >> have >> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional >> control >> centers. >> >> >> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott >> >> wrote: >> > >> > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of >>your >> out of >> > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find >>a >> way to >> > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone >>loses - >> > FOREVER. Remember: >> > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature >>is >> in >> > session. -- Mark Twain (1866) >> > Ken - ke4rg >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf >>Of >> Cliff >> > Frescura >> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM >> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net >>Neutrality: >> in >> > Morse code!! >> > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took >>a >> > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the >> entire >> > internet >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From jbollit at outlook.com Fri Feb 27 11:18:24 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sounds like socialism. Sweden, home of Ericsson, had the worse cell service in the 90's. Their CEO stated they make more profits outside of Sweden. Those areas got the latest technology. What motivates the providers to lay new cable, design new technology? We are all now going to get the old technology, equally. Socialism did not work in the Soviet Union or Cuba, but let's keep trying here in the U.S. Our government knows better, huh? Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Solomon Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 9:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Unless you are a customer out in the Desert, then you are stuck with DSL and streaming movies that look like the ones on my 1953 Admiral back in the B&W days. If all this means I get 100 MB downloads in my lifetime, I am all for it. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/26/2015 7:47 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > Tony, > All of Netflix's customers are the beneficiary of this ruling, as well > as anyone who uses Youtube, Hulu or any other streaming service. > Netflix uses the most bandwidth because they have the most customers. > It isn't only the companies like these that benefit, it's their > customers. The Internet doesn't exist as some libertarian fantasy > world. The only ones that were going to benefit from from being able > to turn the hose off and on were the one's who own the hose, not the > one's who use it. Net neutrality is not a bad thing. > > 73, > Scott, N9AA > > > On 2/26/15 8:57 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >> >> wrote: >> >>> ...internet is a national resource. No one should be able to "corner" >>> it.... >>> ========== >> Unfortunately, so-called "neutrality" means that one company, >> Netflix, can corner it without paying for it. Netflix accounts for up >> to 35% of internet traffic, and is really the one and only >> beneficiary of this ruling. >> Everybody else is subsidizing them. In any event, I'm just glad I'm >> not a regulator. >> >> Tony KT0NY >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w1ksz at earthlink.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From alhanzl at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 11:23:46 2015 From: alhanzl at comcast.net (Al Hanzl) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:23:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control Message-ID: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> Ok New topic I am rather new to contesting, N1MM+, rig control, etc.! I have a K-1 s/n 151 which I enjoy using in contests. I also have an Icom 746 which I have interfaced with my Dell laptop W8 with some success. Can the K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ ? Tnx Al K2AL Sent from my iPhone From jbollit at outlook.com Fri Feb 27 11:28:52 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:28:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Our government isn't smaller, but rather larger. And it isn't Comcast or BIG Business, it is shareholders. In return, one of the things they do it to employ people. Would you prefer they fire their R&D department, and pass the savings on to the end user? In the U.S. our government does not take over business and make them companies of the state, they slowly regulate them, turning the screw ever tighter. Almost sounds like a *full employment* model. Hire more to keep track of the many useless regulations that are passed by our representatives. ANYTIME the government gets involved in business, it distorts the market place. Would you invest your 401K in the Department of Motor Vehicles, or the private sector, like Comcast? Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I'm with you, Phil. As I recall, you're retired FCC staff. If anyone understands FCC Rules, you do. I WANT (caps added for emphasis) FCC regulation of our airwaves, and of our internet. I'm old enough to remember when the FCC had staff to enforce their Rules, and things were much better then. We lived in fear of the FCC, and kept our noses clean. Anyone who subscribes to cable has experienced bills that increase for no reason, and when it's the only game in town, as it is for my internet, all we can do is pay it. So YES, YES, YES, I want someone sitting in Comcast's shoulder. These assholes are billing me monthly rent for a cable modem that I BOUGHT from a local store in 2006, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. YES, I want regulation! Now, those who demand "small government" have made the FCC toothless, without the budget to enforce their own Rules. THAT'S why we have RF noise from all those consumer devices that make it difficult to use our ham stations, and even to tune in AM radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,2/26/2015 8:09 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > That's what all the Title II fracas is about. Those of us in the > professional (regulatory) field fault the FCC of 20 years ago for not > insisting on that but creating this "information service" category > rather than putting them in the "telecommunications service" category > from the beginning. > > As hams we are used to having the FCC look over our shoulders to make > sure that we play by the rules. It's time that the "broadband" > infrastructure providers get a taste of that. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From tk at nk4i.com Fri Feb 27 11:32:43 2015 From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Tascam US-122MKII In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F09C2B.8080301@nk4i.com> Using a Tascam US-2x2 here with the same process. It's a great solution for me as I can monkey around with my Mac sound settings on the internal soundcard for other apps but when I'm ready to do a digi mode I just plug the Tascam in and go. There's no adjustment needed to get correct levels as they're set on the US-2x2. Tighe NK4I On 2/26/15 12:00 PM, Gene Worth (worthe at missouri.edu) wrote: > Deane: > > I have the US-144, but it is similar enough to be applicable. I use the > Elecraft Line Out with a stereo cable to the Tascam Line In (L) jack. You > will need to use a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter to make this work. I use the L and > R line out jacks (RCA) with an RCA to stereo 1/8" adapter. This goes back > to the Elecraft Line In plug on the back. > > You can look for the settings in Fred Cady's book for DATA A set up for the > K3. I use FLDIGI and VOX. Works well after getting the radio set up for it. > > Now, for the tricky part. You must download and configure the USB/serial > port for this external sound card. I use a Mac so have no idea about the > Winblows drivers. I must start the Tascam driver software in the background > in order for the Mac and FLDIGI to see the external sound card. > > On the top of the Tascam unit, you want to do the following: > 1. Phantom is OFF > 2. Mic/Lin is ON > 3. Mono is OFF > 4. Mon Mix is fully clockwise (Computer) > 5. Once you have tuned a signal on your FLDIGI waterfall, then use the > Input Left dial so that you have a blue background with a light "snow" of > yellow dots on the waterfall. Try to do this in a segment of the band > without signals. You can alternatively select a "loud" signal then adjust > the dial until the Input Left LED goes from green to red peaks ... then > back off until it always stays green. > 6. The LINE OUT is adjusted differently depending on how your radio is set > up so that you do not over-drive the LINE IN to the K3. > > Hope that helps. > > gene > WG7GW > > > Message: 16 >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:03:14 +1100 >> From: "Deane Walkington" >> To: >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Tascam US-122MkII >> Message-ID: <003f01d05189$e8602990$b9207cb0$@internode.on.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Before I start making cables to connect a Tascam 122 to a K3, I would >> appreciate knowing how other users have connected this pair. >> >> >> >> Deane >> >> VK1DW >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tk at nk4i.com > From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 11:36:58 2015 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't choose the daily archive mode. Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. Warren -- KD4Z On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Colin Thomas" To: Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! Guys, Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. 73 Colin, G3PSM From jbollit at outlook.com Fri Feb 27 11:37:53 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:37:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <428B39D4-97DB-4CA2-BC39-985897DA0FD5@mac.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <428B39D4-97DB-4CA2-BC39-985897DA0FD5@mac.com> Message-ID: Watch...............your ever increasing speed just hit a wall. Your example is in support of the government staying out of private business, yet that is not what you want. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:09 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! I am all for net neutrality. I certainly don't want the bandwidth to be carved up into toll lanes like the what is happening to all the commuting roads around here (Puget Sound Region). Maybe good for commuters but no good for everyone else who shares the limited lane space. As for 100 MB downloads in my lifetime comment. I just did a speed test (speedtest.net) and my results are: 124.39 Mbps download 12.35 Mbps upload My service is Comcast cable Internet, cost about $55 per month. I am a charter subscriber as I signed up for the service when it was first offered in our neighborhood back in the last part of the 1990s. At the beginning when I first signed up, it was about 5 Mbps download. Just a year ago, it was peaking at only 50 to 60 Mbps download. Always getting faster. Comcast is fearing Google Gigabit network technology. P.S. back in the mid-1970s, I was a systems programmer doing network comms work with the ARPAnet at a research lab at Ames Research Center (Mountain View, CA). This was before they renamed it DARPANet and very early in the pre-TCP/IP protocol days. Even then, even with the slow speeds, I wished that I had that service at home where dialup was still king. 73, phil, K7PEH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From rmcgaver at wi.rr.com Fri Feb 27 11:56:09 2015 From: rmcgaver at wi.rr.com (Rick McGaver) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:56:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! Sent from my iPad On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: > I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't > choose the daily archive mode. > > Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in > daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. > > Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list > deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came > here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. > Warren -- KD4Z > > > On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: > AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. > Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Colin Thomas" > To: > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: > in Morse code!! > > Guys, > > Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft > products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! > > You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. > > 73 > > Colin, G3PSM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgaver at wi.rr.com From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri Feb 27 12:01:02 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:01:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F0A2CE.4040300@k5dkz.com> I only have a DEL key. Will that work? Youth wants to know Rick McGaver wrote: > Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: > >> I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't >> choose the daily archive mode. >> >> Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in >> daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. >> >> Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list >> deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came >> here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. >> Warren -- KD4Z >> >> >> On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: >> AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. >> Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Colin Thomas" >> To: >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >> in Morse code!! >> >> Guys, >> >> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >> products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! >> >> You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. >> >> 73 >> >> Colin, G3PSM >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgaver at wi.rr.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From colin.g3psm at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 12:01:04 2015 From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin Thomas) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:01:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: Shouldn't have to. The subject matter is not relevant. On 27 February 2015 at 16:56, Rick McGaver wrote: > Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: > > > I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't > > choose the daily archive mode. > > > > Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in > > daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. > > > > Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list > > deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came > > here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. > > Warren -- KD4Z > > > > > > On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: > > AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. > > Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Colin Thomas" > > To: > > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: > > in Morse code!! > > > > Guys, > > > > Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft > > products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! > > > > You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. > > > > 73 > > > > Colin, G3PSM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rmcgaver at wi.rr.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Feb 27 12:30:35 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:30:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F09D2A.8020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <117C3719-8DE7-4938-B042-DB2497692C20@elecraft.com> Gentlemen - I officially closed this thread earlier this morning. Further posts are in direct violation of list policy. I appreciate your respect of this closure. eric List Moderator, even when I am on vacation. (But my wife gets grumpy when I have to do this then..) elecraft.com _..._ > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Colin Thomas wrote: > > Shouldn't have to. The subject matter is not relevant. > > > >> On 27 February 2015 at 16:56, Rick McGaver wrote: >> >> Girl's, IT'S CALLED A DELETE KEY. Use It! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: >>> >>> I just joined this list only 24 hours ago and already regret I didn't >>> choose the daily archive mode. >>> >>> Jim, hopefully those folks that are still stirring the pot here are in >>> daily archive mode and won't see the Stand Down order until later today. >>> >>> Come on folks, just take it elsewhere or drop it. This world-wide list >>> deserves to have a high S/N ratio approaching a K-line product. I came >>> here to learn about the K3 and other K products. Nothing else. >>> Warren -- KD4Z >>> >>> >>> On 2/27/2015 09:30 AM, jim wrote: >>> AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. >>> Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Colin Thomas" >>> To: >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >>> in Morse code!! >>> >>> Guys, >>> >>> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >>> products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! >>> >>> You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Colin, G3PSM >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgaver at wi.rr.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Feb 27 12:33:00 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. Eric List Moderator - Really! elecraft.com _..._ > On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop wrote: > > AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Colin Thomas" > To: > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! > >> Guys, >> >> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >> products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! >> >> You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. >> >> 73 >> >> Colin, G3PSM >> >> >> >>> On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad wrote: >>> >>> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are >>> controlled >>> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and >>> then own >>> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to >>> have >>> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional >>> control >>> centers. >>> >>> >>> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your >>> out of >>> > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a >>> way to >>> > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - >>> > FOREVER. Remember: >>> > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is >>> in >>> > session. -- Mark Twain (1866) >>> > Ken - ke4rg >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Cliff >>> > Frescura >>> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM >>> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >>> in >>> > Morse code!! >>> > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a >>> > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the >>> entire >>> > internet >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 27 12:53:57 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:53:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. 73, Doug -- K0DXV From w1rg at hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 12:57:21 2015 From: w1rg at hotmail.com (Richard Gillingham) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:57:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?=5BBulk=5D_OT=3A_Verizon=27s_response_to_Net?= =?utf-8?q?_Neutrality=3A_in=09Morse_code!!?= Message-ID: Perturb not the wife of Eric, lest the Earth itself rise up and smite thee!.. ? 73 W1RG From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: ?Friday?, ?February? ?27?, ?2015 ?12?:?33? ?PM To: Jim's Desktop Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. Eric List Moderator - Really! elecraft.com _..._ > On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop wrote: > > AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Colin Thomas" > To: > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! > >> Guys, >> >> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >> products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! >> >> You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. >> >> 73 >> >> Colin, G3PSM >> >> >> >>> On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad wrote: >>> >>> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are >>> controlled >>> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and >>> then own >>> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to >>> have >>> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional >>> control >>> centers. >>> >>> >>> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your >>> out of >>> > control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a >>> way to >>> > resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - >>> > FOREVER. Remember: >>> > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is >>> in >>> > session. -- Mark Twain (1866) >>> > Ken - ke4rg >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Cliff >>> > Frescura >>> > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM >>> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >>> in >>> > Morse code!! >>> > *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a >>> > dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the >>> entire >>> > internet >>> > >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 27 12:59:45 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:59:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <37ABAE3E-DE72-41D4-AABD-425B0B2C7C05@socal.rr.com> Yes and Yes. Phil - Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2015, at 09:53, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to ones ears. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Fri Feb 27 13:00:36 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:00:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <04a601d0525c$c3c76d40$4b5647c0$@com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> <04a601d0525c$c3c76d40$4b5647c0$@com> Message-ID: <54F0B0C4.6010904@kanafi.org> On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to > reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. > > UPS argued that the reallocation was in the "public interest" and they would > put the spectrum to good use. > > After a ruling in their favor, UPS never commercially deployed and the > spectrum was unused for quite some time. Urban legend. "I wuz there." It wasn't UPS - the key player in all that was a "revolving door" former FCC Bureau chief who was a principal in a now-defunct manufacturer trying to deploy equipment using their unstable modulation scheme (ACSB == Amplitude-Compandered-Sideband), a scheme that the major land-mobile equipment manufacturers rejected as too unstable for deployment. UPS was only the patsy waiting in the wings patiently for workable equipment, and finally gave up and went with a Motorola system in the then-newly-available 800 MHz band. The amateur community didn't have "clean hands" because we failed to use that part of the spectrum to any great extent, probably because of a lack of reasonably-priced equipment at the time. Let that be a lesson for us in the future. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From dpbunte at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:01:15 2015 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: Doug - >From all the "on topic" traffic here during the last week, it would appear that quite a few folks have installed the synth boards. I put one in my K3 and a pair in the K3 of a friend. I knew I wanted to do it the moment I heard about it. My "impression" is that the band seems a bit "quieter", but "sometimes" my QTH is very quiet to start with. We have not experienced K1N type pileups since I installed mine, but I don't expect to be "aware" of the benefit, since I cannot switch back to the old board... but I do expect to from it most of the time I am on the air, and anytime the band is really crowded. The friend in whose K3 I installed a pair of them will benefit every time he uses his K3. He is a QRQ CW operator, who is really excited to get RIT function back while operating QRQ. Dave - K9FN On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if > anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely > subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an > improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my > K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to work and > whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to > ones ears. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri Feb 27 13:04:21 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:04:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <54F0B1A5.9020509@k5dkz.com> I used to think that if I could not hear a difference, there may not be a difference. When band conditions are good there may not be any difference to be heard. What happens when band conditions are not so good? Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask > if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a > purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide > an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to > keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it > appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on > instruments or are notable to ones ears. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From bsusb at k5dkz.com Fri Feb 27 13:07:06 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:07:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F0B24A.3090009@k5dkz.com> yah, well, that has already happened. What else you got? Richard Gillingham wrote: > Perturb not the wife of Eric, lest the Earth itself rise up and smite thee!.. ? > > 73 > > W1RG > > > > > > > > > From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > Sent: ?Friday?, ?February? ?27?, ?2015 ?12?:?33? ?PM > To: Jim's Desktop > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > Yes, And I am on Vacation today to boot! My wife is not happy with my having to moderate the list today. Please do not risk upsetting her further.. > > Eric > List Moderator - Really! > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > >> On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Jim's Desktop wrote: >> >> AMEN! Also, Eric closed this thread at 6:30 or so California time. Obviously a lot of you don't bother to read his posts. >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Colin Thomas" >> To: >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: 2/27/2015 9:30:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! >> >>> Guys, >>> >>> Give it a break. I joined this reflector to learn about Elecraft >>> products, not the state of the US Internet Service Providers problems! >>> >>> You do have subscribers from outside of the U.S. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Colin, G3PSM >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 February 2015 at 15:13, Phil Hystad wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I certainly will never fly on an airplane where the airwaves are >>>> controlled >>>> individually by each airline. Where big airlines hog the airwaves and >>>> then own >>>> you. Not only that, it would be very dangerous don't you think. Nice to >>>> have >>>> a separate Federal government organization operating all the regional >>>> control >>>> centers. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Kenneth Talbott >>>> wrote: >>>>> The only ones who will end up with what they want are members of your >>>> out of >>>>> control nannycrat government. Free enterprise seems to always find a >>>> way to >>>>> resolve disputes - unless Washington gets involved then everyone loses - >>>>> FOREVER. Remember: >>>>> No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is >>>> in >>>>> session. -- Mark Twain (1866) >>>>> Ken - ke4rg >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>>> Cliff >>>>> Frescura >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:06 AM >>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: >>>> in >>>>> Morse code!! >>>>> *Netflix* got what they wanted. They had better lobbyists and took a >>>>> dispute between them and Comcast, expanded the scope to include the >>>> entire >>>>> internet >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to elist_copy at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1rg at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 27 13:07:25 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel Message-ID: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the various Elecraft components). Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of Macros. Is there something like that out there? From jim at rhodesend.net Fri Feb 27 13:17:38 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:17:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not specific to E-craft, FKeys will do that for most any rig. I think Keith still has it as a free download. On Feb 27, 2015 12:07 PM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that > you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the > various Elecraft components). > Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of > Macros. > > Is there something like that out there? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 27 13:18:47 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:18:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and headset In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <54F0B507.5030109@ntlworld.com> Hi, Anyone got a working K2 with a non Heil/Elecraft headset? $165 seems a tad pricy. I'm thinking a PC/Gaming/Skype headset (I use a Logitech PC 860 which has a noise cancelling mic with KX3 no problem) and keep the two 3.5mm connectors audio stereo, mike mono (usually). Either light weight or aka tank commander over the ear type. Will need to make up an adapter with a set of Y leads for the K2 8 pin Foster and the Audio socket next to it the headset will plug into the audio directly. I assume the mic (will need BIAS) so will need to set the jumpers and connect the 5.6K resistor pins 1-6 and mic AF between 1 and 7 or 8 (0.1uF between them) or use a rework eliminator. I note that there is a PTT in the 8 pin foster (as long as connected the jumper to pin 2 so you 'could' wire a foot switch or something into the 'adapter'. Likewise pin 3 (down) pin 4 (up) if really wanted. 72 Dom M1KTA From dpbunte at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:19:41 2015 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: References: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim - Keith WHO? Dave - K9FN On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > Not specific to E-craft, FKeys will do that for most any rig. I think Keith > still has it as a free download. > On Feb 27, 2015 12:07 PM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that > > you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the > > various Elecraft components). > > Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of > > Macros. > > > > Is there something like that out there? > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From jim at rhodesend.net Fri Feb 27 13:19:50 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:19:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Forgot to say it is a Write log extention, so is specific to Write log user. On Feb 27, 2015 12:07 PM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that > you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the > various Elecraft components). > Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of > Macros. > > Is there something like that out there? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:20:05 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control In-Reply-To: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> References: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54F0B555.4030803@embarqmail.com> Al, The short answer is no. There is no provision on the K1 for computer communications. The K2 with the KIO2 or KPA100 option does have computer connection capability as does the K3 and KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 11:23 AM, Al Hanzl wrote: > Ok > New topic > I am rather new to contesting, N1MM+, rig control, etc.! > I have a K-1 s/n 151 which I enjoy using in contests. > I also have an Icom 746 which I have interfaced with my Dell laptop W8 with some success. > Can the K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ ? > Tnx > Al > K2AL > From dominic.baines at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 27 13:23:02 2015 From: dominic.baines at ntlworld.com (Dominic Baines) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:23:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control In-Reply-To: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> References: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54F0B606.6010103@ntlworld.com> On 02/27/2015 04:23 PM, Al Hanzl wrote: > he K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ ? You could use a something to help key the rig say winkey or similar but rig control no. 72 Dom M1KTA From jim at rhodesend.net Fri Feb 27 13:25:16 2015 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:25:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: References: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Keith Regli forget the call. Find it AR kregli.com. Like I said in second message, it is a Write log extention (but one of the best things about WriteLog) On Feb 27, 2015 12:19 PM, "David Bunte" wrote: > Jim - > > Keith WHO? > > Dave - K9FN > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > >> Not specific to E-craft, FKeys will do that for most any rig. I think >> Keith >> still has it as a free download. >> On Feb 27, 2015 12:07 PM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> >> > Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that >> > you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the >> > various Elecraft components). >> > Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of >> > Macros. >> > >> > Is there something like that out there? >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com >> > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 27 13:30:28 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <54F0B7C4.9090500@embarqmail.com> Doug, Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved. What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than you could before. That is an important consideration when the bands are crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups. When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will not be as obvious. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask > if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a > purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide > an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to > keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it > appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on > instruments or are notable to ones ears. From tim at sideswiper.plus.com Fri Feb 27 13:34:11 2015 From: tim at sideswiper.plus.com (Tim) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:34:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K2 plus KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 case UK Message-ID: <54F0B8A3.6070708@sideswiper.plus.com> Hi all. I purchased the K2/100 station complete, but removed the PA and built it into a EC2 case along with a KAT100 that I built. The cost of the kits used adds up to $2300 inc carriage to UK. The K2 has the ssb adaptor, 160m adaptor, 10 W atu, and transverter adaptor. The EC2 case has the 100 W PA and 100 W ATU. Offers in the region of ?1000 inc carriage in U.K. considered. Reason for sale, now surplus to, requirements and ill health. Locatied near Dingwall, Highland 73 Tim GM4LMH ** From alhanzl at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 13:54:11 2015 From: alhanzl at comcast.net (Al Hanzl) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control In-Reply-To: <54F0B555.4030803@embarqmail.com> References: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> <54F0B555.4030803@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Tnx Figured. I may be able to key the rig with CW with N1MM. 73 Al Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Al, > > The short answer is no. There is no provision on the K1 for computer communications. > The K2 with the KIO2 or KPA100 option does have computer connection capability as does the K3 and KX3. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/27/2015 11:23 AM, Al Hanzl wrote: >> Ok >> New topic >> I am rather new to contesting, N1MM+, rig control, etc.! >> I have a K-1 s/n 151 which I enjoy using in contests. >> I also have an Icom 746 which I have interfaced with my Dell laptop W8 with some success. >> Can the K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ ? >> Tnx >> Al >> K2AL > From silver60 at charter.net Fri Feb 27 13:56:17 2015 From: silver60 at charter.net (Richard Jubinville) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Net Neutrality Message-ID: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> All this is guys and gals is Obamacare for the Internet. W1REJ Dick From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Feb 27 14:07:25 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:07:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Net Neutrality In-Reply-To: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> References: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> Message-ID: I find this list useful and have for 15 years. But if the politicians are taking over, I'll be gone. Better places for such discussions. Phil - Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:56, Richard Jubinville wrote: > > All this is guys and gals is Obamacare for the Internet. > > W1REJ > Dick > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From nwgarner at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 14:09:57 2015 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <38106372.609538.1425060445606.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Harry, Are you using Windows or Mac? I wrote something like this for iOS a couple months ago (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pigmac/id908461966?mt=8) and I have something like this for Mac in the works. I could probably whip up something similar in Windows. 73, Nick N3WG On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that > you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the > various Elecraft components). > Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of > Macros. > > Is there something like that out there? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Feb 27 14:11:52 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:11:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Net Neutrality In-Reply-To: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> References: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> Message-ID: <1425064312281-7599499.post@n2.nabble.com> Discussion already closed by Eric. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Net-Neutrality-tp7599496p7599499.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Fri Feb 27 14:16:09 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:16:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CLOSED THREAD: Net Neutrality In-Reply-To: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> References: <4F508368CA3842828F9CD479155AF380@DickPC> Message-ID: <1425064569.7140.52.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> The thread was closed, please let it die... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 13:56 -0500, Richard Jubinville wrote: > All this is guys and gals is Obamacare for the Internet. > > W1REJ > Dick > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 27 14:34:52 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:34:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com> <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <54F0C6DC.8080401@embarqmail.com> Please correct the "2 Db" below to "2 kHz". 73, Don W3FPR Doug, Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved. What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than you could before. That is an important consideration when the bands are crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups. When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will not be as obvious. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask > if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a > purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide > an improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to > keep my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it > appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on > instruments or are notable to ones ears. From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Feb 27 15:46:38 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> References: , <94DFEC5E-AD5A-4B5C-9155-7E7B4228E382@elecraft.com>, <54F0AF35.5050903@aol.com> Message-ID: <54F0D7AE.15056.A205B3E@Gary.ka1j.com> I have two in thanks to the sub Rx. I think the only real way to answer that would be to have two identical K3's with an AB switch to listen in different conditions. I can't imagine how well most of us would appreciate that same difference if it was expressed as numerical values from lab tests. I can say I feel I am hearing better under difficult conditions after putting them in. For me, when I now hear a station I can barely copy, I'm guessing this was helped by the new synths. FWIW... 73, Gary KA1J > Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with. Now, may I ask if > anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely > subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an > improvement? I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep > my K3 on the leading edge. But really curious how well it appears to > work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or > are notable to ones ears. > > 73, Doug -- K0DXV --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 27 16:51:31 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Jim Cullum via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 as Remoterig controller - need success best known method - currently not working for me. Message-ID: <1917803779.562570.1425073891917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> So I have seen (what I think) is every post about (possibly) using the KX3 as a Remoterig controller for the K3. ?I am trying to set this up, but currently with limited success. ?I need someone who has success with this and can pass along some suggestions for success. ?I can only find a 2012 posting from SM0JZT where he got it to work: ?https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/14433 Currently with the KX3 as the controller I can only power the remote K3 on/off, none of the other limited set of features (outlined by N6KR such as VFO, mode, filter, etc) are working. Setup: K3-0 Success: - With a borrowed K3-0, I have full control of the remoted K3 using the Remoterigs. ?The K3 is at NK7U and works beautifully with multiple control K3/0 minis at different locations including at my QTH. ?I borrowed the K3/0 and have given it back :( Software Control Success: - Removing the K3/0 from the equation, ?I can change the "Radio Settings - Program Mode" in the remoterig configuration (control and radio ends) from "14-Elecraft K3 Twin" to "4 - Yaesu, Kenwood, Elecraft". ?This gives me the "connect" button so I can turn on/off the K3, and it allows me to control the remote K3 with software like N4PY or Win4K3Suite. ?Work great and I have full control of the K3, but not having a true VFO knob is a bit troublesome. KX3 Control Unsuccessful: - Reverting the settings back to "14-Elecraft K3 Twin", putting the KX3 into "rig control" mode and hooking up a homebrew RS232 cable, through a null modem adapter, to COM2 of the remoterig box... the only control I seem to have is power on/off of ?the K3. ?VFO, Filters, mode, AF, etc don't seem to be working. ?The homebrew serial cable I am using is: ?http://eksfiles.net/2013/12/roll-your-own-serial-cable-for-the-elecraft-kx3/?and I am using a null modem adapter dongle between the cable and the Remoterig box. ?I think I have tried every other option of "program mode" on the remoterig, but I need to go back and verify the "4" setting on the control and the "14" setting on the radio at was mentioned in SM0JZT's yahoo group posting. - I am running a late mode KX3 and Remoterig with the latest firmware on both (AFAIK). So... ?Any thoughts? ? Has anyone tried this recently? ?If you have this working, what are the COM settings for the radio/control side? ?Is there something special needed for the null modem adapter? ?For the K3-K3 twin setup the remoterig manual shows RX and TX swapped, but also shows RTS/CTS swapped (normal null modem hookup). ?Of course with the 3 wires of the ACC1 of KX3 there are no RTS/CTS available. ?Should I short these or do something with them in the null modem adapter? ?Lots of questions... hopefully someone has an answer! Thanks for any suggestions! Jim/K7MK From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 27 16:55:36 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <231878816.1420914.1425074136208.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Windows? Thank you From: Nick Garner To: Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel Hi Harry, Are you using Windows or Mac?? I wrote something like this for iOS a couple months ago (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pigmac/id908461966?mt=8) and I have something like this for Mac in the works.? I could probably whip up something similar in Windows. ? 73,NickN3WG On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the various Elecraft components). Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of Macros. Is there something like that out there? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com From wb4ooa at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 17:02:25 2015 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:02:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer Message-ID: <000001d052d9$12eb0f40$38c12dc0$@gmail.com> I have installed two new KSYN3AUPG boards in my K3. They are working perfectly. This Synthesizer is an excellent re-design and is a welcome upgrade to the K3. No Tuning or Calibration is now needed for the new Synthesizers. The Noise Floor is lower and the Receiver sounds quieter and cleaner. The Receiver Dynamic range has been improved. The close in performance numbers have improved for the 2kHz spacing. Thanks for a good new upgrade Wayne and Eric. Ron Durie WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line From droese at necg.de Fri Feb 27 17:11:14 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?B?T2xpdmVyIERyw7ZzZQ==?=) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:11:14 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 as Remoterig controller - need success best known method - currently not working for me. In-Reply-To: <1917803779.562570.1425073891917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1917803779.562570.1425073891917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54F0EB82.9010108@necg.de> Hi Jim, although I have a KX3, too, I never tried to use it as a control head for my remoted K3, the K3/0 mini is doing the job just fine. ;-) But if I remember correctly Wayne stated back then that the limited control features he put into the KX3 only use normal serial commands/protocol while the K3/0 + remote K3 + Remoterig all use a special high performance serial protocol. Thus you have to set mode "14 Elecraft Twin" on the RR controllers if using the K3/0. For using the KX3 as a control head I'd assume you would need "4" instead on *both* sides just like normal CAT control. Have you tried that? Just an idea ... 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 27.02.2015 um 22:51 schrieb Jim Cullum via Elecraft: > So I have seen (what I think) is every post about (possibly) using the KX3 as a Remoterig controller for the K3. I am trying to set this up, but currently with limited success. I need someone who has success with this and can pass along some suggestions for success. I can only find a 2012 posting from SM0JZT where he got it to work: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/14433 > Currently with the KX3 as the controller I can only power the remote K3 on/off, none of the other limited set of features (outlined by N6KR such as VFO, mode, filter, etc) are working. > Setup: > K3-0 Success: > > - With a borrowed K3-0, I have full control of the remoted K3 using the Remoterigs. The K3 is at NK7U and works beautifully with multiple control K3/0 minis at different locations including at my QTH. I borrowed the K3/0 and have given it back :( > > Software Control Success: > - Removing the K3/0 from the equation, I can change the "Radio Settings - Program Mode" in the remoterig configuration (control and radio ends) from "14-Elecraft K3 Twin" to "4 - Yaesu, Kenwood, Elecraft". This gives me the "connect" button so I can turn on/off the K3, and it allows me to control the remote K3 with software like N4PY or Win4K3Suite. Work great and I have full control of the K3, but not having a true VFO knob is a bit troublesome. > KX3 Control Unsuccessful: > - Reverting the settings back to "14-Elecraft K3 Twin", putting the KX3 into "rig control" mode and hooking up a homebrew RS232 cable, through a null modem adapter, to COM2 of the remoterig box... the only control I seem to have is power on/off of the K3. VFO, Filters, mode, AF, etc don't seem to be working. The homebrew serial cable I am using is: http://eksfiles.net/2013/12/roll-your-own-serial-cable-for-the-elecraft-kx3/ and I am using a null modem adapter dongle between the cable and the Remoterig box. I think I have tried every other option of "program mode" on the remoterig, but I need to go back and verify the "4" setting on the control and the "14" setting on the radio at was mentioned in SM0JZT's yahoo group posting. > - I am running a late mode KX3 and Remoterig with the latest firmware on both (AFAIK). > So... Any thoughts? Has anyone tried this recently? If you have this working, what are the COM settings for the radio/control side? Is there something special needed for the null modem adapter? For the K3-K3 twin setup the remoterig manual shows RX and TX swapped, but also shows RTS/CTS swapped (normal null modem hookup). Of course with the 3 wires of the ACC1 of KX3 there are no RTS/CTS available. Should I short these or do something with them in the null modem adapter? Lots of questions... hopefully someone has an answer! > Thanks for any suggestions! > Jim/K7MK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Fri Feb 27 17:30:41 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1724437520.1398646.1425076241968.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> That would be perfect if it were standalone From: Jim Rhodes To: Harry Yingst Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a Elecraft utility --- Button Panel Not specific to E-craft, FKeys will do that for most any rig. I think Keith still has it as a free download. On Feb 27, 2015 12:07 PM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" wrote: Is there a Elecraft utility that would give you a panel of buttons that you could program with Macros(even better if it would work across the various Elecraft components). Basically a Virtual button panel on the screen that would be full of Macros. Is there something like that out there? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From k7ua at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 18:09:21 2015 From: k7ua at comcast.net (k7ua at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K3 transmit with an FM filter? Message-ID: <1826578804.14461233.1425078561943.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have a K3 with an FM filter that I use on 2M.? It receives AM fine with this filter.? Will the K3 transmit decent AM while using the FM filter?? It appears to work. Thanks, Bryce K7UA From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 27 18:16:16 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:16:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K3 transmit with an FM filter? In-Reply-To: <1826578804.14461233.1425078561943.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1826578804.14461233.1425078561943.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54F0FAC0.5030401@embarqmail.com> Bryce, The answer is yes, but if you are going to do a lot of AM transmit, spring for the 6kHz filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 6:09 PM, k7ua at comcast.net wrote: > I have a K3 with an FM filter that I use on 2M. It receives AM fine with this filter. Will the K3 transmit decent AM while using the FM filter? It appears to work. > From lists at subich.com Fri Feb 27 18:32:17 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:32:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K3 transmit with an FM filter? In-Reply-To: <1826578804.14461233.1425078561943.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1826578804.14461233.1425078561943.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54F0FE81.1060205@subich.com> Yes, no problems. Some will say there is some extra low level noise outside the 6 KHz bandwidth that the wider filter does not clean up but it's already less than the phase noise of YaeComWood - I would not worry about it. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-27 6:09 PM, k7ua at comcast.net wrote: > I have a K3 with an FM filter that I use on 2M. It receives AM fine with this filter. Will the K3 transmit decent AM while using the FM filter? It appears to work. > Thanks, Bryce K7UA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n1al at sonic.net Fri Feb 27 19:25:58 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] OT: Verizon's response to Net Neutrality: in Morse code!! In-Reply-To: <54F0B0C4.6010904@kanafi.org> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFE597.1060605@subich.com> <54EFEDF2.9020402@kanafi.org> <54F00E57.6030703@audiosystemsgroup.com> <04a601d0525c$c3c76d40$4b5647c0$@com> <54F0B0C4.6010904@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <54F10B16.7080007@sonic.net> On 02/27/2015 10:00 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 2/26/2015 11:12 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > >> My thinking changed when UPS successfully lobbied the FCC in 1989 to >> reallocate part of 220MHz from Amateur to Commercial service. ... > Urban legend. "I wuz there." It wasn't UPS... > > The amateur community didn't have "clean hands" because we failed to use > that part of the spectrum to any great extent, probably because of a > lack of reasonably-priced equipment at the time. ... Hey, we had the Drake UV-3. Alan N1AL (Designer of the UV-3's 220 MHz band module :=) From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Feb 27 19:35:44 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:35:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 as Remoterig controller - need success best known method - currently not working for me. In-Reply-To: <1917803779.562570.1425073891917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1917803779.562570.1425073891917.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54F10D60.2030000@embarqmail.com> Jim, Seeing that you have not received any other responses -- I am talking out of my realm because I know nothing about the RemoteRig setup, but if RemoteRig is using RTS-CTS protocol, then you will need to loop-back (short) the CTS to RTS path. The KX3 does not include RTS nor CTS in the connection to the serial port. I don't know about the RemoteRig serial communications, but I do know something about RS-232. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/27/2015 4:51 PM, Jim Cullum via Elecraft wrote: > So I have seen (what I think) is every post about (possibly) using the KX3 as a Remoterig controller for the K3. I am trying to set this up, but currently with limited success. I need someone who has success with this and can pass along some suggestions for success. I can only find a 2012 posting from SM0JZT where he got it to work: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/14433 > Currently with the KX3 as the controller I can only power the remote K3 on/off, none of the other limited set of features (outlined by N6KR such as VFO, mode, filter, etc) are working. > Setup: > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Feb 27 19:37:13 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:37:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 Synth's ordered... Message-ID: <1425083833.7140.68.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Broke down and ordered them... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From rehill at ix.netcom.com Fri Feb 27 19:55:22 2015 From: rehill at ix.netcom.com (Rich) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:55:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio latency issues in remote stations. Message-ID: <54F111FA.3090003@ix.netcom.com> I've been watching the discussions related to remote stations, and discussions related to latency. Has anyone compared the latencies of various setups. I think I understand that there is latency within a station (equipment) whether local or remote, and a latency in the communications lines between the local and remote station. I'm curious about the local or remote station equipment latency. Thanks. -- Richard Hill NU6T From rtavan at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 20:31:14 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:31:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control In-Reply-To: References: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> <54F0B555.4030803@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you can key the rig from a computer using N1MM and one of the well-publicized circuits to convert RS-232 signals from a computer serial port to keying levels. What people are telling you that you can't do is "rig control," meaning having the rig tell the computer what frequency it's tuned to or the computer moving the rig to another frequency. That requires an interface on the rig that is not included on the K1. Have fun! 73, /Rick N6XI On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Al Hanzl wrote: > Tnx > Figured. > I may be able to key the rig with CW with N1MM. > 73 > Al > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > > Al, > > > > The short answer is no. There is no provision on the K1 for computer > communications. > > The K2 with the KIO2 or KPA100 option does have computer connection > capability as does the K3 and KX3. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 2/27/2015 11:23 AM, Al Hanzl wrote: > >> Ok > >> New topic > >> I am rather new to contesting, N1MM+, rig control, etc.! > >> I have a K-1 s/n 151 which I enjoy using in contests. > >> I also have an Icom 746 which I have interfaced with my Dell laptop W8 > with some success. > >> Can the K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ > ? > >> Tnx > >> Al > >> K2AL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From gregg.w6izt1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 21:13:32 2015 From: gregg.w6izt1 at gmail.com (Gregg W6IZT) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:13:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Sherwood tests Message-ID: <001a01d052fc$26b31090$741931b0$@gmail.com> I reviewed the data published by Rob Sherwood. It would be of interest to see test data on the same K3 with the old and the new synth boards. I suspect that other ongoing improvements to the K3 have influenced some of the measurements. 73 Gregg w6izt From gdt at lexort.com Fri Feb 27 21:02:48 2015 From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 21:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility and inadvertent tx from control-number? Message-ID: This is all on a mac (10.9), and likely mac-specific. In the KX3 utility (up to date) with cw mode, I find that ctrl-1 inserts macro 1 into the transmit buffer, and begins to transmit. That's fine. However, if I click in the background to make finder active, then ctrl-1 still inserts the macro in the KX3 Utility, and it happens even when on another desktop. So there seems to be a bug, perhaps in the mac, and perhaps in the KX3 utility, where keys that should be intercepted by the OS's windowing system are delivered to the utility. Obviously (to me...) keystrokes should not affect a program that does not have focus. Is anybody else seeing this? 73 de n1dam From alhanzl at comcast.net Fri Feb 27 23:16:20 2015 From: alhanzl at comcast.net (alhanzl at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 04:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control In-Reply-To: References: <015BB30C-6A04-484E-9085-6F0A3BF57971@comcast.net> <54F0B555.4030803@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2082382059.784611.1425096980470.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Understood. Tnx fer all the help. 73 Al K2AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Tavan N6XI" To: "Al Hanzl" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:31:14 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-1 rig control Yes, you can key the rig from a computer using N1MM and one of the well-publicized circuits to convert RS-232 signals from a computer serial port to keying levels. What people are telling you that you can't do is "rig control," meaning having the rig tell the computer what frequency it's tuned to or the computer moving the rig to another frequency. That requires an interface on the rig that is not included on the K1. Have fun! 73, /Rick N6XI? On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Al Hanzl < alhanzl at comcast.net > wrote: Tnx Figured. I may be able to key the rig with CW with N1MM. 73 Al Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Don Wilhelm < w3fpr at embarqmail.com > wrote: > Al, > > The short answer is no.? There is no provision on the K1 for computer communications. > The K2 with the KIO2 or KPA100 option does have computer connection capability as does the K3 and KX3. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/27/2015 11:23 AM, Al Hanzl wrote: >> Ok >> New topic >> I am rather new to contesting, N1MM+, rig control, etc.! >> I have a K-1 s/n 151 which I enjoy using in contests. >> I also have an Icom 746 which I have interfaced with my Dell laptop W8 with some success. >> Can the K-1 be interfaced for rig control and CW contesting using N1MM+ ? >> Tnx >> Al >> K2AL > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From nz8j at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 27 23:44:32 2015 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: W2 wattmeter Message-ID: <000001d05311$3ed6d340$bc8479c0$@woh.rr.com> If you have one for sale please send details, condition, which coupler and price shipped to zip 45324 Thanks Tim NZ8J From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat Feb 28 00:34:59 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:34:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Nifty manual for K2 Message-ID: <1425101699728-7599520.post@n2.nabble.com> I cannot find the K2 manual any longer on http://www.niftyaccessories.com/Elecraft_RefGuide.htm I really like these manuals and was about to recommend it for a K2 owner when I noticed that it was no longer there. Have they been discontinued? ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Nifty-manual-for-K2-tp7599520.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From la9nea at online.no Sat Feb 28 02:02:04 2015 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:02:04 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (shift widt ) Message-ID: <754951811.532097.1425106923981.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no> Hello Elecraft user's Problem or not ?? I cant adjust the SHIFT WIDTH pssband tune in CW mode., it work ok in SSB., when trying adjustment the display info is : *FC 80, have reloaded the Firmware, the width in the ''filter'' work ok., any idea ? 73' Viggo LA9NEA From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Feb 28 02:04:33 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:04:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (shift widt ) In-Reply-To: <754951811.532097.1425106923981.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no> References: <754951811.532097.1425106923981.JavaMail.adm-moff@moffice33.nsc.no> Message-ID: Do you have CONFIG:CW QRQ = ON? QRQ mode disables certain features, including filter shifting. 73, Wayne N6KR On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Viggo Magnus Nilsen wrote: > Hello Elecraft user's > > > Problem or not ?? I cant adjust the SHIFT WIDTH pssband tune in CW mode., it work ok in SSB., when trying adjustment the display info is : *FC 80, have reloaded the Firmware, the width in the ''filter'' work ok., any idea ? > > > 73' Viggo LA9NEA From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 08:21:18 2015 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:21:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? Message-ID: <54F1C0CE.6090808@gmail.com> Folks, a bit of a mystery; I have not received any emails from this list since 2/26; is the list running or am I not broken here? the favor of a direct reply in case its me would be appreciated. Sorry for the bandwidth & 73 de Dave, W5SV From johnk1jd at comcast.net Sat Feb 28 09:19:42 2015 From: johnk1jd at comcast.net (Johnk1jd) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn Message-ID: Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks & 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM Sent from my iPad From w4grj at satterfield.org Sat Feb 28 09:19:49 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:19:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Auto Power Off In-Reply-To: <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <003901d05361$9e1d2e30$da578a90$@org> Is there a Auto Power Off setting in the K3? I cannot find this in the manual so it's probably not available but thought I would ask the brain trust. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sat Feb 28 10:00:34 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:00:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? In-Reply-To: <54F1C0CE.6090808@gmail.com> References: <54F1C0CE.6090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's an answer David, with both addresses.. Maybe a subscribe would be in order? Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:21:18 -0600 > From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? > > Folks, a bit of a mystery; I have not received any emails from this list > since 2/26; is the list running or am I not broken here? > the favor of a direct reply in case its me would be appreciated. > > Sorry for the bandwidth & 73 de Dave, W5SV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From k8rs at arrl.net Sat Feb 28 10:05:38 2015 From: k8rs at arrl.net (Roger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:05:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood"s report on KSYN3A Message-ID: <4C398F28B5294721B40604374FCBE3CF@RogerPC> Where is Rob Sherwood?s report on the new KSYN3A boards? Roger K8RS From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Feb 28 10:09:39 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:09:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood"s report on KSYN3A In-Reply-To: <4C398F28B5294721B40604374FCBE3CF@RogerPC> References: <4C398F28B5294721B40604374FCBE3CF@RogerPC> Message-ID: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:05:38 -0500, you wrote: >Where is Rob Sherwood?s report on the new KSYN3A boards? > Roger K8RS Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe." -A. Lincoln From aldermant at windstream.net Sat Feb 28 10:12:46 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:12:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001d05369$027b2240$077166c0$@windstream.net> Hi John, I can't do that just yet but I will when I get my new K3. Improved full QSK and better close in signal rejection during contest are also my primary interest, so it will be interesting to finally get the new rig and test for those issues. I got my original K3 in 2010 and decided since I sure would like to have the new synthesizers and since I had never installed any of the Elecraft upgrades/updates, I would sell the old one and buy a new one. The actual cost output for a new K3, with everything updated, was very reasonable. Even though my credit card was charged the day after I placed my order, I did not hear anything from Elecraft, so I sent them an email yesterday for status update. It turned out that there is a 'delay' due to some small part out of stock, but my new "K4" should be shipped next week. [I say "K4" because any other manufacturer would have come out with a 'new' radio and we are fortunate to get this 'serious' upgrade as such!] So after I can do some test, I will make an audio recording and send it to you and Vidi. 73, Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Johnk1jd Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn Don, all, Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. Thanks & 73, John K1JD Santa Fe, NM Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From drewko1 at verizon.net Sat Feb 28 10:17:30 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after recordings. Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of clicks and pops without distraction. 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote: >Don, all, >Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM? Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. >Thanks & 73, >John K1JD >Santa Fe, NM > From dg5bka at web.de Sat Feb 28 10:57:44 2015 From: dg5bka at web.de (web.de) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:57:44 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? In-Reply-To: References: <54F1C0CE.6090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: Due to a mistake I noticed by hazard that emails from non-subscribers wont be forwarded. I took another address to ask s.th. in the forum. 73 de Christian, DG5BKA Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 28.02.2015 um 16:00 schrieb Dale Putnam : > > Here's an answer David, with both addresses.. > Maybe a subscribe would be in order? > > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:21:18 -0600 >> From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? >> >> Folks, a bit of a mystery; I have not received any emails from this list >> since 2/26; is the list running or am I not broken here? >> the favor of a direct reply in case its me would be appreciated. >> >> Sorry for the bandwidth & 73 de Dave, W5SV >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dg5bka at web.de From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Feb 28 12:16:54 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:16:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - Bad color choices for cursors and markers Message-ID: <54F1F806.9030600@foothill.net> Apparently, you can add black, blue, white, and gold to the list of poor cursor color choices. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Feb 28 12:47:47 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:47:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] no emails from this list since 2/26? In-Reply-To: <54F1C0CE.6090808@gmail.com> Message-ID: [ccing Eric in his role as list manager.] I have had a similar problem. Sometimes I get messages, and sometimes I don't. I can tell I'm missing messages from the gaps in the conversation and by going to the to the list archives via . I note that the FAQ says, "Mailman tracks bouncing mail. If mail to you bounces because your ISP is having problems or your mail box is full for several days, your subscription will be put on hold by our system. Mailman will periodically mail you to see if you want to continue your subscription, but if you fail to respond, your subscription will be removed. ..." I don't think this is my problem, because I don't get the "are you still there" email, and after a while at least some messages resume coming. 73 Bill AE6JV On 2/28/15 at 5:21 AM, w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) wrote: >Folks, a bit of a mystery; I have not received any emails from >this list since 2/26; is the list running or am I not broken here? >the favor of a direct reply in case its me would be appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k9fd at flex.com Sat Feb 28 14:09:42 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:09:42 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for XG generator In-Reply-To: <54E8DB6D.3060601@gmail.com> References: <55394218.1ce402.14bad5b5dd4.Webtop.46@charter.net> <54E8DB6D.3060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F21276.3020305@flex.com> Need a signal source, perhaps a XG-2 or XG-3 may consider older XG-1 even, just need one band actually. Before I order a new one, does someone have one they are going to sell? Thanks 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:29:31 2015 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch Message-ID: I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button to zero-beat. I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower frequency audio tone for my own preference. What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:51:27 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F21C3F.6090408@embarqmail.com> Ted, On the K3 or KX3, just hold the "pitch" button and adjust it to your preferred listening pitch - that is all there is to it. The K3 will adjust the filter centers accordingly, you don't have to do anything else. I cannot tell you what is the best pitch for you. All I can say is the default is 600 Hz, but use your own ears to see what is best for you. Now on the K2 it is a bit different - the CW filters do need to be realigned to center them on the new sidetone pitch, but you are not dealing with a K2. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/28/2015 2:29 PM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: > I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button > to zero-beat. > I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower > frequency audio tone for my own preference. > > What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to > whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the > 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > > And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 28 14:55:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Auto Power Off In-Reply-To: <003901d05361$9e1d2e30$da578a90$@org> References: <54EFB1E1.6080609@att.net> <2005640224.889016.1424999679038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <54EFDACA.7050901@gmail.com> <54F005FA.9030907@earthlink.net> <54F018ED.3020200@w0mu.com> <003901d05361$9e1d2e30$da578a90$@org> Message-ID: <54F21D49.3040809@embarqmail.com> Jack, There is none currently, but it has been requested on this reflector recently for use in remote station operation. There is a power off command - see the K3 and KX3 Programmer's Reference. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/28/2015 9:19 AM, w4grj wrote: > Is there a Auto Power Off setting in the K3? > I cannot find this in the manual so it's probably not available but thought > I would ask the brain trust. > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 14:59:47 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:59:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F21E33.30308@socal.rr.com> Pitch is personal, Ted -- if your hearing is compromised (age, for example) a lower pitch can work a bit better. Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 11:29 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: > I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button > to zero-beat. > I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower > frequency audio tone for my own preference. > > What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to > whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the > 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > > And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. > From jack at satterfield.org Sat Feb 28 15:13:25 2015 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Auto Power Off Message-ID: <004601d05393$03026190$090724b0$@org> Is there a Auto Power Off setting in the K3? I cannot find this in the manual so it's probably not available but thought I would ask the brain trust. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ From donhall161 at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 28 16:05:02 2015 From: donhall161 at sbcglobal.net (Don Hall) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:05:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F21E33.30308@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Years ago I went to 440 (I believe this is middle C) and at 82, still using it. Works for me. 73 Don K5AQ From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 28 16:14:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> 440 Hz is A above middle-C. Middle C is 261.6 Hz. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-28 4:05 PM, Don Hall wrote: > Years ago I went to 440 (I believe this is middle C) and at 82, still using it. Works for me. > > 73 Don K5AQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 16:21:03 2015 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> References: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> Message-ID: <54F2313F.1040701@gmail.com> Add in 350 Hz to that and you have a dial tone. (Really!) 73, Mike ab3ap On 02/28/2015 04:14 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > 440 Hz is A above middle-C. Middle C is 261.6 Hz. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 2015-02-28 4:05 PM, Don Hall wrote: >> Years ago I went to 440 (I believe this is middle C) and at 82, still >> using it. Works for me. >> >> 73 Don K5AQ From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 28 16:22:41 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:22:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F231A1.3060601@subich.com> Ted, > I have the 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. The only real concern in selecting a preferred pitch is that the K3 will set the center of your CW filter so that Fc-[BW/2] is no lower than 200 Hz. If you select a center frequency less than 550 Hz, your 700Hz filter will be offset to the high side. For example, if you select 450 Hz the 700 Hz filter will cover 200-900 Hz not 100 to 800 Hz. That's not a big issue with wider filters but just something to be aware of when selecting filters and nominal sidetone frequencies. I tend to prefer 490 (it's close to B4 [493 = B4]) which works with any of the normal Elecraft CW filters (500, 400, 250 or 200). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-28 2:29 PM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: > I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button > to zero-beat. > I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower > frequency audio tone for my own preference. > > What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to > whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the > 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > > And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. > From dave at nk7z.net Sat Feb 28 16:42:50 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:42:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F21C3F.6090408@embarqmail.com> References: <54F21C3F.6090408@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1425159770.7140.92.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, If you have an older hearing test, use the most recent one, and see what part of the audio spectrum you hear best at, within the allowed spectrum of the K3. Then select that frequency. I had a hearing test, and the best frequency was several hundred HZ away from my optimum, and many db away as well. After changing it, I copy CW much better. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 14:51 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ted, > > On the K3 or KX3, just hold the "pitch" button and adjust it to your > preferred listening pitch - that is all there is to it. > The K3 will adjust the filter centers accordingly, you don't have to do > anything else. > > I cannot tell you what is the best pitch for you. All I can say is the > default is 600 Hz, but use your own ears to see what is best for you. > > Now on the K2 it is a bit different - the CW filters do need to be > realigned to center them on the new sidetone pitch, but you are not > dealing with a K2. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 2/28/2015 2:29 PM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: > > I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button > > to zero-beat. > > I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower > > frequency audio tone for my own preference. > > > > What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to > > whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the > > 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > > > > And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From drewko1 at verizon.net Sat Feb 28 17:00:05 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ub4fa970cgbacjkqvup41jqlinkq9oji2@4ax.com> I use different pitches at different times. Lower pitches are better if you are trying to discriminate between two very closely spaced signals. Higher pitches may be better under some conditions. It may be worthwhile to change the pitch from time to time just for variety... I wish I could "tune" the pitch while listening to the effect on the actual signal conditions (and keeping the signal centered in the passband). But when PITCH is engaged the on-air signals are muted on the K3, even if the MON volume is set to zero. BTW, for the K2 I wrote down the filter alignments for several different pitches and could re-enter them pretty quickly. It took about a minute to change pitches this way, if I recall... 73, Drew AF2Z On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:31 -0500, you wrote: >I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button >to zero-beat. >I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower >frequency audio tone for my own preference. > >What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to >whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the >700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > >And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 17:01:05 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:01:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <1425159770.7140.92.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> References: <54F21C3F.6090408@embarqmail.com> <1425159770.7140.92.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Message-ID: <54F23AA1.6070204@socal.rr.com> Re "I had a hearing test, and the best frequency was several hundred HZ away from my optimum...". Best is not the same as optimum? That puzzles me. Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 1:42 PM, David Cole wrote: > Hi, > If you have an older hearing test, use the most recent one, and see what > part of the audio spectrum you hear best at, within the allowed spectrum > of the K3. Then select that frequency. I had a hearing test, and the > best frequency was several hundred HZ away from my optimum, and many db > away as well. After changing it, I copy CW much better. From k2mk at comcast.net Sat Feb 28 17:10:04 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:10:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1425161404565-7599547.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Ted, I'm very happy with 420 Hz. 73, Mike K2MK I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button to zero-beat. I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower frequency audio tone for my own preference. What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-listening-pitch-tp7599535p7599547.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dhhdeh at comcast.net Sat Feb 28 17:44:46 2015 From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (David and Dianne on Comcast) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:44:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch Message-ID: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> A: 440 Is what the concertmaster uses to tune the orchestra. Really easy to listen to for long periods. BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar My $.02 YMMV 73 de N1LQ-Dave From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Feb 28 18:27:50 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:27:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music > and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 18:49:24 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:49:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have worked. Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > >> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music >> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar > My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a > programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From ingerassociates at cox.net Sat Feb 28 18:53:14 2015 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:53:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issue after Firmware Update Message-ID: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> I just updated the K3 firmware to 5.10 since I am about to order the new synth board. When I restarted the radio after the upload, the following problem occurred: When I press the TUNE button, the radio shows about 8 watts of power. If I turn the power control up, the display defaults back to 8 watts. In the config menu I have the tune power set to 20 watts. I reloaded the firmware to make sure there wasn't a glitch in the loading. The same problem still occurs. The only other troubleshooting I did was to change the TX ALC (in the config menu) to "OFF" When I tune up with the TX ALC off, I can get full power out from the radio, so I assume that I do not have a component failure problem. Has anyone experienced this or know of any settings which I may have inadvertently changed? 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 18:59:40 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 15:59:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issue after Firmware Update In-Reply-To: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> References: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> Message-ID: <54F2566C.80004@socal.rr.com> You need to re-do the power calibration using the K3 Utility. See the document for the Synth board. Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 3:53 PM, David Inger wrote: > I just updated the K3 firmware to 5.10 since I > am about to order the new synth board. When I > restarted the radio after the upload, the > following problem occurred: > > When I press the TUNE button, the radio shows > about 8 watts of power. If I turn the power > control up, the display defaults back to 8 > watts. In the config menu I have the tune power > set to 20 watts. > > I reloaded the firmware to make sure there > wasn't a glitch in the loading. The same > problem still occurs. > The only other troubleshooting I did was to > change the TX ALC (in the config menu) to "OFF" > When I tune up with the TX ALC off, I can get > full power out from the radio, so I assume that > I do not have a component failure problem. > > Has anyone experienced this or know of any > settings which I may have inadvertently changed? > > 73 de K6SBA > David in Santa Barbara, CA From josh at voodoolab.com Sat Feb 28 19:01:20 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:01:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> Message-ID: In my youth as a cellist, we always used A 442 or 443Hz. Exception was if there was a piano, then we were of course constrained to 440 (and a tempered scale). The slightly sharp tuning always sounded better to me. 73, Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > > A: 440 > > Is what the concertmaster uses to tune the orchestra. > > Really easy to listen to for long periods. > > BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar > > My $.02 > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 19:02:28 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:02:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issue after Firmware Update In-Reply-To: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> References: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> Message-ID: <54F25714.3040503@socal.rr.com> Sorry. See the F/W 5.10 documentation :-) Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 3:53 PM, David Inger wrote: > I just updated the K3 firmware to 5.10 since I > am about to order the new synth board. When I > restarted the radio after the upload, the > following problem occurred: > > When I press the TUNE button, the radio shows > about 8 watts of power. If I turn the power > control up, the display defaults back to 8 > watts. In the config menu I have the tune power > set to 20 watts. > > I reloaded the firmware to make sure there > wasn't a glitch in the loading. The same > problem still occurs. > The only other troubleshooting I did was to > change the TX ALC (in the config menu) to "OFF" > When I tune up with the TX ALC off, I can get > full power out from the radio, so I assume that > I do not have a component failure problem. > > Has anyone experienced this or know of any > settings which I may have inadvertently changed? > > 73 de K6SBA > David in Santa Barbara, CA From dave at nk7z.net Sat Feb 28 19:05:29 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F23AA1.6070204@socal.rr.com> References: <54F21C3F.6090408@embarqmail.com> <1425159770.7140.92.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> <54F23AA1.6070204@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1425168329.7140.100.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Hi, I misstated: Should have been the best was several hundred HZ away from what I thought was optimum... I did a number of tests to see what I "liked", vs what was best based on my ear pass-band, (based on the hearing test), my best guess was 680, my best based on ear pass-band was closer to 490. The 490 is far batter than my best guess was. I had actually placed the CW side tone in a narrow -15 db null, almost exactly. I asked the audiologist about that, and she indicated it might be related to me never actually hearing anything much at 680 Hz, and the perception that when I set CW to the null it seemed in the clear for me. I have verified that I copy better at 490, vs 680 Hz, by setting zero and listening to similar stations at high speed and looking at my copy. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 14:01 -0800, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Re "I had a hearing test, and the best frequency > was several hundred HZ away from my optimum...". > Best is not the same as optimum? That puzzles me. > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/28/15 1:42 PM, David Cole wrote: > > Hi, > > If you have an older hearing test, use the most recent one, and see what > > part of the audio spectrum you hear best at, within the allowed spectrum > > of the K3. Then select that frequency. I had a hearing test, and the > > best frequency was several hundred HZ away from my optimum, and many db > > away as well. After changing it, I copy CW much better. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From lists at subich.com Sat Feb 28 19:06:40 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:06:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issue after Firmware Update In-Reply-To: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> References: <54F254EA.7030007@cox.net> Message-ID: <54F25810.50100@subich.com> > Has anyone experienced this or know of any settings which I may have > inadvertently changed? Yes, the instructions for 5.10 and later state that the TX CAL must be performed after loading 5.10, 5.12 or 5.13 (and presumably later). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-02-28 6:53 PM, David Inger wrote: > I just updated the K3 firmware to 5.10 since I am about to order the new > synth board. When I restarted the radio after the upload, the following > problem occurred: > > When I press the TUNE button, the radio shows about 8 watts of power. If > I turn the power control up, the display defaults back to 8 watts. In > the config menu I have the tune power set to 20 watts. > > I reloaded the firmware to make sure there wasn't a glitch in the > loading. The same problem still occurs. > The only other troubleshooting I did was to change the TX ALC (in the > config menu) to "OFF" When I tune up with the TX ALC off, I can get > full power out from the radio, so I assume that I do not have a > component failure problem. > > Has anyone experienced this or know of any settings which I may have > inadvertently changed? > > 73 de K6SBA > David in Santa Barbara, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:09:38 2015 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:09:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <1425161404565-7599547.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1425161404565-7599547.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thank you all for those answers from all over the Elecraft World. I am going to move down to about 550 Hz and see how that works out. My hearing is not too bad, but it is not all it could be after many years in noisy ships of the Navy. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I'm very happy with 420 Hz. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button > to zero-beat. > I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower > frequency audio tone for my own preference. > > What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to > whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the > 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. > > And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. > > 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-listening-pitch-tp7599535p7599547.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3tb.ted at gmail.com > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From ingerassociates at cox.net Sat Feb 28 19:10:43 2015 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:10:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issues Message-ID: Wow, talk about "instant messaging!" I received a number of responses pointing out the fact that I need to do the K3 power calibration after installation 5.10. I am so bad for not reading the fine print. Thanks folks for all your help! 73 de K6SBA David From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:15:19 2015 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: <1425161404565-7599547.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Just some fun on this... About 40 years ago, I used to teach Special Ed Electrical Shop to deaf/multiple-handicapped teens. Some had very profound hearing loss. One day I was playing with a keying practice oscillator, and one girl started to screech. We figured out that she had hearing at 3000-3300 Hz and not much else. SO, I taught her to copy CW at that frequency; she got a novice, and we just had to handle the very high offset using separate transmitter and receiver. It opened a whole new world of communication for her! And these years later, I have no idea where she is. Thanks for all that good help with the pitch tone, everyone. and 73. On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Ted Edwards W3TB wrote: > Thank you all for those answers from all over the Elecraft World. > I am going to move down to about 550 Hz and see how that works out. > My hearing is not too bad, but it is not all it could be after many years > in noisy ships of the Navy. > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > >> Hi Ted, >> >> I'm very happy with 420 Hz. >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK >> >> >> I like to use the CWT function when operating CW and then the Spot button >> to zero-beat. >> I have been using 700 Hz as the pitch but would like to hear a lower >> frequency audio tone for my own preference. >> >> What is the mind of the Reflector on a best tone frequency and related to >> whether it has any impact on the roofing filter selections? I have the >> 700Hz/5-pole, the 400 Hz/8-pole, and the 200 Hz/5-pole. >> >> And thank you all ahead of time for your answers. >> >> 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/CW-listening-pitch-tp7599535p7599547.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3tb.ted at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW > > and thinking about operating CW: > "Do today what others won't, > so you can do tomorrow what others can't." > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Feb 28 19:19:41 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:19:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <24B8A58E-7D18-4127-B838-A86D409F04F0@wunderwood.org> I?ve been singing in choirs since I was 12 and I find Morse insanely hard. Luckily, it was no longer necessary for professional use after the Viterbi decoder was invented in 1970. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have worked. > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: >> >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music >>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. >> >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:24:15 2015 From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:24:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] look in spam folder Message-ID: I found digest posts from early feb in gmail spam folder. Go there and select not spam and you shd be all set, -- de AB1VL NAQCC #6799 ab1vl.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 19:29:44 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Output Issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F25D78.1010104@socal.rr.com> You weren't the first to miss it, David -- and you won't be the last! Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 4:10 PM, David Inger wrote: > Wow, talk about "instant messaging!" I received a number of responses > pointing out the fact that I need to do the K3 power calibration after > installation 5.10. I am so bad for not reading the fine print. > > Thanks folks for all your help! > > 73 de K6SBA > David From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 19:32:13 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:32:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <24B8A58E-7D18-4127-B838-A86D409F04F0@wunderwood.org> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> <24B8A58E-7D18-4127-B838-A86D409F04F0@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <54F25E0D.5060405@socal.rr.com> Maybe you didn't sing at your optimum Morse code pitch :-) Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 4:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I?ve been singing in choirs since I was 12 and I find Morse insanely hard. Luckily, it was no longer necessary for professional use after the Viterbi decoder was invented in 1970. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have worked. >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >>> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: >>> >>>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music >>>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar >>> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a >>> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. >>> >>> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >>> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From josh_walton at mac.com Sat Feb 28 19:40:05 2015 From: josh_walton at mac.com (Josh Walton) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:40:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] I want to plug a keyboard into my PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are close to entering into the second quarter of 2015. Consumers have not had a major update to the firmware of the PX3 in some time. For me, one of the major selling points of the PX3 was the promise of RTTY and PSK32, both send and receive. Can we get an update to as to the status of these features, and possibly some insight into the roadmap for this product? No criticism, I love my PX3, just want to know what/when to expect these new and promised features. Thanks guys! 73 KK4LGZ Josh From phystad at mac.com Sat Feb 28 19:47:13 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:47:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4FEA4565-2735-4FA0-9BAB-0DBFF5B9ADEA@mac.com> I played clarinet in the 6th grade -- hated it. I was a mathematician (programming a lot of mathematical applications and other things). And I still love mathematics because Mathematical Physics is my primary hobby (or, passion). Ham radio comes second except in the summer ham radio could count as third to woodworking as second. I learned CW when I was 9 years old. By the time (much later) when I took my Novice test, I was probably copying more than the 13 wpm required of the General class. This is off-topic so far -- but my tone frequency of choice is 640 Hz. phil K7PEH > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have worked. > > Phil W7OX > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: >> >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music >>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. >> >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 20:01:41 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:01:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] I want to plug a keyboard into my PX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F264F5.5080003@socal.rr.com> I think the current PX3 project is Fixed-Tune mode, Josh. Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 4:40 PM, Josh Walton wrote: > We are close to entering into the second quarter of 2015. Consumers have not had a major update to the firmware of the PX3 in some time. For me, one of the major selling points of the PX3 was the promise of RTTY and PSK32, both send and receive. Can we get an update to as to the status of these features, and possibly some insight into the roadmap for this product? No criticism, I love my PX3, just want to know what/when to expect these new and promised features. > > Thanks guys! > 73 > KK4LGZ > Josh From matt at nq6n.com Sat Feb 28 20:16:33 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <4FEA4565-2735-4FA0-9BAB-0DBFF5B9ADEA@mac.com> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> <4FEA4565-2735-4FA0-9BAB-0DBFF5B9ADEA@mac.com> Message-ID: This website will let you generate an equal loudness curve for your own hearing: http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html 73, Matt NQ6N/9 On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I played clarinet in the 6th grade -- hated it. I was a mathematician > (programming a lot > of mathematical applications and other things). And I still love > mathematics because > Mathematical Physics is my primary hobby (or, passion). Ham radio comes > second except > in the summer ham radio could count as third to woodworking as second. > > I learned CW when I was 9 years old. By the time (much later) when I took > my Novice > test, I was probably copying more than the 13 wpm required of the General > class. > > This is off-topic so far -- but my tone frequency of choice is 640 Hz. > > phil K7PEH > > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > > > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have > worked. > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > >> > >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music > >>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar > >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a > >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in > peace. > >> > >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 20:25:34 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:25:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> <4FEA4565-2735-4FA0-9BAB-0DBFF5B9ADEA@mac.com> Message-ID: <54F26A8E.4030404@socal.rr.com> That is interesting; but mine has been "professionally calibrated" :-) Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 5:16 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: > This website will let you generate an equal > loudness curve for your own hearing: > > http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html > > 73, > Matt NQ6N/9 > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Phil Hystad > > wrote: > > I played clarinet in the 6th grade -- hated > it. I was a mathematician (programming a lot > of mathematical applications and other > things). And I still love mathematics because > Mathematical Physics is my primary hobby > (or, passion). Ham radio comes second except > in the summer ham radio could count as third > to woodworking as second. > > I learned CW when I was 9 years old. By the > time (much later) when I took my Novice > test, I was probably copying more than the > 13 wpm required of the General class. > > This is off-topic so far -- but my tone > frequency of choice is 640 Hz. > > phil K7PEH > > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler > > wrote: > > > > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, > or was. That seems to have worked. > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on > Comcast wrote: > >> > >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation > between learning to play music > >>> and learning CW. Not a direct > one.....but similar > >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a > clarinetist as well as a > >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no > problems. May he rest in peace. > >> > >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > From gdaught6 at stanford.edu Sat Feb 28 20:31:24 2015 From: gdaught6 at stanford.edu (gdaught6 at stanford.edu) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:31:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> References: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> Message-ID: <54F1FB6C.17128.265C07B@gdaught6.stanford.edu> > > 440 Hz is A above middle-C. Middle C is 261.6 Hz. Yes. I believe that's the "universal orchestral tuning pitch." My XYL and I have a running joke. When we go to anything musical, and the orchestra commences tuning, I ask "What's that?" She says "A" and we're ready to enjoy another performance. 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 3-4, 2015 From gdaught6 at stanford.edu Sat Feb 28 20:40:53 2015 From: gdaught6 at stanford.edu (gdaught6 at stanford.edu) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 17:40:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> References: <1425157502.32052.YahooMailBasic@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <54F22F9F.6040007@subich.com> Message-ID: <54F1FDA5.14550.26E6C16@gdaught6.stanford.edu> > > 440 Hz is A above middle-C. Middle C is 261.6 Hz. Yes. I believe that's the "universal orchestral tuning pitch." My XYL and I have a running joke. When we go to anything musical, and the orchestra commences tuning, I ask "What's that?" She says "A" and we're ready to enjoy another performance. 73, George T Daughters, K6GT CU in the California QSO Party (CQP) October 3-4, 2015 From dave at nk7z.net Sat Feb 28 21:23:19 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 18:23:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <24B8A58E-7D18-4127-B838-A86D409F04F0@wunderwood.org> References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> <24B8A58E-7D18-4127-B838-A86D409F04F0@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <1425176599.7140.110.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> That's OK, as I would find singing insanely hard. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 16:19 -0800, Walter Underwood wrote: > I?ve been singing in choirs since I was 12 and I find Morse insanely hard. Luckily, it was no longer necessary for professional use after the Viterbi decoder was invented in 1970. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have worked. > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > >> > >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music > >>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar > >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a > >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in peace. > >> > >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From htodd at twofifty.com Sat Feb 28 22:33:59 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] Is the P3 beta firmware ephemeral? Message-ID: I just checked the P3 beta folder and found it empty. Does that mean I should erase what I have right now (1.35) and go back to the actual release or something else? Thanks. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From dave at nk7z.net Sat Feb 28 23:40:38 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 20:40:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: References: <54F244DE.3040209@comcast.net> <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> <54F25404.90303@socal.rr.com> <4FEA4565-2735-4FA0-9BAB-0DBFF5B9ADEA@mac.com> Message-ID: <1425184838.7140.112.camel@nostromo.NK7Z> Except that when you play them back, your local system will color it... Best process is to copy W1AW, find a weak feed, and see which tone works best for you... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 19:16 -0600, Matt Murphy wrote: > This website will let you generate an equal loudness curve for your own > hearing: > > http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html > > 73, > Matt NQ6N/9 > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > > I played clarinet in the 6th grade -- hated it. I was a mathematician > > (programming a lot > > of mathematical applications and other things). And I still love > > mathematics because > > Mathematical Physics is my primary hobby (or, passion). Ham radio comes > > second except > > in the summer ham radio could count as third to woodworking as second. > > > > I learned CW when I was 9 years old. By the time (much later) when I took > > my Novice > > test, I was probably copying more than the 13 wpm required of the General > > class. > > > > This is off-topic so far -- but my tone frequency of choice is 640 Hz. > > > > phil K7PEH > > > > > On Feb 28, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > > > > > I failed clarinet, but am a mathematician, or was. That seems to have > > worked. > > > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > > > On 2/28/15 3:27 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > >> On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > > >> > > >>> BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music > > >>> and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar > > >> My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a > > >> programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems. May he rest in > > peace. > > >> > > >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > > >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Feb 28 23:50:01 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 20:50:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Is the P3 beta firmware ephemeral? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F29A79.9020606@socal.rr.com> I would leave it as is. Website says: *P3 Panadapter Firmware Updates and Download Utility * (update with K3 firmware above) P3 Firmware Latest Production Release *(MCU 1.29) *SVGA Firmware Latest Production Release*(MCU 1.16)* P3 Firmware Latest Beta Release*(MCU 1.35) *SVGA Firmware Latest Beta Release*(MCU 1.22)* P3 Utility Latest Production Release *(1.13.1.23)* March 30, 2014** February 27, 2013 January 22, 2015 January 22, 2015 so I'm not sure why you didn't find 1.35 in the beta folder. 73, Phil W7OX On 2/28/15 7:33 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > I just checked the P3 beta folder and found it > empty. Does that mean I > should erase what I have right now (1.35) and go > back to the actual > release or something else? > > Thanks. > From elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sat Feb 28 23:51:35 2015 From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 04:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch In-Reply-To: <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> References: <54F24EF6.1060403@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <1430185044.410006.1425185495409.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The message does not include pitch, but it is my opinion from years of copying cw that the best pitch is a function of the listeners hearing. ?It is worth some effort to determine the best pitch for your ears, as we get older we have dead spots which are a function of your experience, so while I like around 550 to 600, you may like a different pitch as if you are trying to copy a frequency that is in your dead spot, you may have a harder time than if you move it some.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS From: Phil Kane To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW listening pitch On 2/28/2015 2:44 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast wrote: > BTW there really is a strong correlation between learning to play music > and learning CW. Not a direct one.....but similar My late brother (KU2P / 4X1AK) was a clarinetist as well as a programmer, and taught himself CW with no problems.? May he rest in peace. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100? s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com