From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 00:26:37 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:26:37 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Australia trip
In-Reply-To: <C7E784D7-F522-4E33-B8BC-3D73DE559269@wunderwood.org>
References: <003a01d0cba7$dc415330$94c3f990$@myfairpoint.net>
	<C7E784D7-F522-4E33-B8BC-3D73DE559269@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <55bc4a7f.868c460a.e693d.ffff8852@mx.google.com>

Uluru pronounced ooh-loo-roo

Too easy...lol

Now for Cairns...

Um, kinda hard for those who place emphasis on the R. It is silent for us in the know.

You will be close saying CANS with no letter getting special treatment.

I am currently around 65 miles west of Cairns.

Just trying to be helpful guy's.
? 


-----Original Message-----
From: "Walter Underwood" <wunder at wunderwood.org>
Sent: ?1/?08/?2015 8:58 AM
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Australia trip

One tip ? in Australia, ?Ayer?s Rock? is pronounced ?Uluru?. I gave up trying to match the local pronunciation of ?Cairns?.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Jul 31, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Thaire Bryant <w2apf at myfairpoint.net> wrote:

> I will be traveling in and near Australia for the month of August and plan
> to operate /p and /mm with a KX3.
> 
> My dates and locations are below.  I would appreciate hearing of any Radio
> related events (club meetings, 
> 
> boot sales, flea markets, etc) that I might be able to attend.  Thanks in
> advance for any info provided.
> 
> 
> 
> August 4-9  Sydney
> 
> August 9-11 Cairns
> 
> August 11-14 Ayers Rock
> 
> August 14 Alice Springs
> 
> August 15 Perth
> 
> August 16-30 /mm as C6APF region 3 NW of Australia and near 4W and YB.
> 
> 
> 
> 73 es TU
> 
> 
> 
> Thaire  W2APF
> 
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From vk2jng at icloud.com  Sat Aug  1 03:44:27 2015
From: vk2jng at icloud.com (Gerard Elijzen)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:44:27 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] How accurate is the CW setting on a KX3
Message-ID: <3941D5FC-F024-4415-B402-68925D19D6F9@icloud.com>

Hi all,

Just wondering about the accuracy of the CW Words/Minute setting. How accurate is it?

People tell me that it seems faster then it is set to.

Using the KX3 Utility on a MacBook Pro with all the latest firmware and OS X.

Anyone knows or comments appreciated,

73


Gerard
vk2jng at iCloud dot com




From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 03:59:07 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:59:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] How accurate is the CW setting on a KX3
In-Reply-To: <3941D5FC-F024-4415-B402-68925D19D6F9@icloud.com>
References: <3941D5FC-F024-4415-B402-68925D19D6F9@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_++E0axiaxZVVEf2OD1b=mWeh-S3ZrqCATMyyw-jN97Oug@mail.gmail.com>

Gerard,

My CW speed usually agrees with what the Reverse Beacon Network reports,
and is never more than +/- 1 wpm different.  That's based upon around 22
wpm.

Stephen G4SJP


On 1 August 2015 at 08:44, Gerard Elijzen <vk2jng at icloud.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering about the accuracy of the CW Words/Minute setting. How
> accurate is it?
>
> People tell me that it seems faster then it is set to.
>
> Using the KX3 Utility on a MacBook Pro with all the latest firmware and OS
> X.
>
> Anyone knows or comments appreciated,
>
> 73
>
>
> Gerard
> vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>
>
>
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From ddillenburger at web.de  Sat Aug  1 05:21:53 2015
From: ddillenburger at web.de (ddillenburger at web.de)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:21:53 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?
Message-ID: <trinity-022d70a6-efda-402f-a30d-4f660915e0de-1438420913765@3capp-webde-bs38>

Hi all,
interested in sharing your experience with connecting a K2/100 or a KX3 respectively to KPA 500.
Is there probably something similar as the KPAK3AUX cable for 
the K3 to be usedr with K2/ KX3? Has anybody experimented yet with
'homemade' ideas / modified cables?
Thanks for any input,
73 - Dieter


From w4grj at satterfield.org  Sat Aug  1 07:41:09 2015
From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3 & P3
References: <34B90C84-49AB-407D-882C-E74EDC48FA1B@rogers.com> 
Message-ID: <000601d0cc4e$f68b3ce0$e3a1b6a0$@org>


Last Time for this

For Sale K3 S# 3746 and P3 S# 1020 Both Factory Assembled

K3/100
KAT3 ATU
KRX3 2nd Rcvr
KXF3A IF out and xverter for P3
2- KF3A 2.8k 8pole filter
KFL3A 1.8k 8pole filter
KFL3A 400 8pole filter
KFL3A 6k 8pole filter
KFL3B 13k FM filter
Included associated interconnect cables
Original cost over $4700

Sell for $3200 includes mailing / insurance All perfect condition, non
smoking environment.

Please reply offline.
Tnx,
Jack
W4GRJ


From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 08:06:45 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement
Message-ID: <071901d0cc52$89bec5b0$9d3c5110$@gmail.com>

The weekly Elecraft single sideband net meets tomorrow, Sunday, August 2, at
18:00 UTC on 14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from the home QTH just north
of Atlanta. All are welcome and invited to attend. See you on the air!

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 08:08:57 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Control Op
Message-ID: <071e01d0cc52$d7e22110$87a66330$@gmail.com>

All,

 

I have about three more weeks before my family's school year schedule makes
my Sundays too unpredictable to reliably call the Elecraft SSB Net. We want
this fun net to continue. If there is anyone who can take over calling the
net, starting on August 23, please email me off-list so arrangements can be
made. Email is good in the signature block, below, or on QRZ.com.

 

Thanks and 73,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From drewko1 at verizon.net  Sat Aug  1 08:13:32 2015
From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 08:13:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How accurate is the CW setting on a KX3
In-Reply-To: <3941D5FC-F024-4415-B402-68925D19D6F9@icloud.com>
References: <3941D5FC-F024-4415-B402-68925D19D6F9@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55BCB7EC.2060507@verizon.net>

There is a little program called Precision CW Fistcheck which you could 
use to measure the speed. It measures character speed and shows a 
graphical representation of each character (dots and dashes) as they are 
sent, supposedly within 0.1 wpm.

Of course, the overall speed depends on word spacing. You could just 
send a bunch of PARIS (= 1 word) and time it with a stopwatch

Can't imagine the KX3 would be off by more than 1-2 wpm...

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/01/15 03:44, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering about the accuracy of the CW Words/Minute setting. How accurate is it?
>
> People tell me that it seems faster then it is set to.
>
> Using the KX3 Utility on a MacBook Pro with all the latest firmware and OS X.
>
> Anyone knows or comments appreciated,
>
> 73
>
>
> Gerard
> vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 08:26:33 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:26:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hi Res K3S+P3 Studio Picture (1920x1080) available
	for	download
In-Reply-To: <55BB9CA1.7000107@elecraft.com>
References: <55BB9CA1.7000107@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <075401d0cc55$4d61b5c0$e8252140$@gmail.com>

Eric,

Was there ever a similar photo available of the K3/P3 combo? The new one you
linked to here is a great looking photo. However, I'm still using the
"vintage" ( :-) )  K3, s/n 281, with a P3, s/n 688, and don't plan to
upgrade. I'd love to have a similar photo to replace the stock wallpaper on
my shack PC, representing the Elecraft gear I actually run. If there isn't
one available, I completely understand.

Thanks and 73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric
Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:05 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Hi Res K3S+P3 Studio Picture (1920x1080) available for
download

A cool new 1920x1080 high-res studio picture of the K3S with P3 available
for download.

Its perfect for use on hi-res desktop monitors for wallpaper backgrounds
etc. 
and can be easily resized for others.  Its the same picture (but in higher
res) as the new K3S picture we have just added to our main web page at
http://elecraft.com

A link to it this high-res version will be up on our K3S product web page
shortly, but I've also included a temporary direct link here that will be it
available for the next week or two. (When you go this link, click on
"Download" 
to get the larger full resolution version.

https://elecraft.egnyte.com/dl/0EtirEAPf9/k3s_wallpaper.jpg_

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

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From tk at nk4i.com  Sat Aug  1 08:41:21 2015
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Holder Melted
Message-ID: <55BCBE71.70900@nk4i.com>

I use the internal charger in my KX3 to keep some NiMH batteries 
charged.  I take them out occasionally, but not very often as they see 
very little use since I almost always use an external battery.  I'm 
careful not to overcharge by running the charger for short periods and 
keeping an eye on battery voltage.  I pulled them last night to run the 
batteries on a more sophisticated charger to check each cell as I'm 
heading out tomorrow for a week long camping trip.  No indication of 
problems with any cell.

When I started to reinsert the cells this morning I noticed the spring 
end of one cell slot had melted plastic in the spring and the spring is 
pushed through the end of the holder almost touching the large cap on 
the filter board.  I almost certainly have a bad cell, now to figure out 
which one.

Learn from my mistake, pull the batteries regularly and check them along 
with the holder if you're using the internal charger.

Now off to the rat shack (I still have one of the independent stores 
here) to search for a suitable replacement.

Tighe
NK4I

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 08:57:42 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 08:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Holder Melted
In-Reply-To: <55BCBE71.70900@nk4i.com>
References: <55BCBE71.70900@nk4i.com>
Message-ID: <55BCC246.4010206@embarqmail.com>

Tighe,

Check the plastic covering on the batteries carefully, you will likely 
find one where the battery case metal is exposed.
Also check the screws mounting the battery holders - the screwheads 
should not be able to contact the batteries, but I think you will find 
that your screws project too far into the battery compartment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/1/2015 8:41 AM, Tighe Kuykendall wrote:
>
> When I started to reinsert the cells this morning I noticed the spring 
> end of one cell slot had melted plastic in the spring and the spring 
> is pushed through the end of the holder almost touching the large cap 
> on the filter board.  I almost certainly have a bad cell, now to 
> figure out which one.
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug  1 09:18:07 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (John Sager via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 06:18:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hi Cur and Hi SWR using KX3 2 meter Module
Message-ID: <1438435087.16661.YahooMailIosMobile@web140102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


From kb2m at arrl.net  Sat Aug  1 09:21:04 2015
From: kb2m at arrl.net (kb2m at arrl.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 09:21:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] remote viewing of NaP3
In-Reply-To: <000101d0cbe1$083733e0$18a59ba0$@VERIZON.NET>
References: <000101d0cbe1$083733e0$18a59ba0$@VERIZON.NET>
Message-ID: <014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net>

I run local and remote every week as I travel from my main station location
to my antenna restricted shore home. I don't have a problem swapping out the
DB-9 serial port cable, the PTT cable, and the audio out cable when I switch
over, it takes about a minute to do so. What I would like to do is split the
serial cable from my local PC to the K3 and the RRC-1258. This would allow
me to run my NaP3 panadapter s/w along with the RRC-1258, allowing me to
view the panadapter at the remote control station with teamviewer. I tried a
simple Y cable and it didn't work, anyone have this working? I have a copy
of LP_Bridge running, maybe activate yet another virtual comport? I'm trying
to keep this as simple as possible as I leave the frozen north for Florida
for 7 months after the summer is over here and require a bullet proof
setup....

73 Jeff kb2m




From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sat Aug  1 09:30:30 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:30:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?
In-Reply-To: <trinity-022d70a6-efda-402f-a30d-4f660915e0de-1438420913765@3capp-webde-bs38>
References: <trinity-022d70a6-efda-402f-a30d-4f660915e0de-1438420913765@3capp-webde-bs38>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046883242F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Should be easy as pi.  Use the basic connection scheme and hook up a keying line and the RF.  The KPA and KAT will automatically switch bands when they detect a dah's worth of RF.
I put a little intro guide on my website:
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com

KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners


"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3" and 3rd edition K3 book  (Works in progress)

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ddillenburger at web.de
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 3:22 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?

Hi all,
interested in sharing your experience with connecting a K2/100 or a KX3 respectively to KPA 500.
Is there probably something similar as the KPAK3AUX cable for the K3 to be usedr with K2/ KX3? Has anybody experimented yet with 'homemade' ideas / modified cables?
Thanks for any input,
73 - Dieter

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From w4grj at satterfield.org  Sat Aug  1 09:37:01 2015
From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 09:37:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3 & P3
References: <34B90C84-49AB-407D-882C-E74EDC48FA1B@rogers.com>  
Message-ID: <000b01d0cc5f$260d0010$72270030$@org>

SOLD..... Tnx.
Jack
W4GRJ

-----Original Message-----
From: w4grj [mailto:w4grj at satterfield.org] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 7:41 AM
To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
Subject: RE: FS K3 & P3


Last Time for this

For Sale K3 S# 3746 and P3 S# 1020 Both Factory Assembled

K3/100
KAT3 ATU
KRX3 2nd Rcvr
KXF3A IF out and xverter for P3
2- KF3A 2.8k 8pole filter
KFL3A 1.8k 8pole filter
KFL3A 400 8pole filter
KFL3A 6k 8pole filter
KFL3B 13k FM filter
Included associated interconnect cables
Original cost over $4700

Sell for $3200 includes mailing / insurance All perfect condition, non
smoking environment.

Please reply offline.
Tnx,
Jack
W4GRJ


From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sat Aug  1 09:40:53 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 07:40:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Holder Melted
In-Reply-To: <55BCBE71.70900@nk4i.com>
References: <55BCBE71.70900@nk4i.com>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F04688424C0@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Here is a tidbit that Elecraft Support shared with me:
 "We have seen some no-name batteries where the terminals have not been made to the IEC specification for the distance between the 2 poles of an AA battery.  The problem we have seen is that the springs used in the KX3 battery tray will not register well and will short out the positive/negative terminals.  Extended discharge of these batteries then cause the spring wire to heat up, which results in melted plastic on the tray and the spring's loss of tension.  Guidance here: Use only batteries from known vendors who will back up their product."

Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Tighe Kuykendall
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:41 AM
> To: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Holder Melted
> 
> I use the internal charger in my KX3 to keep some NiMH batteries
> charged.  I take them out occasionally, but not very often as they see
> very little use since I almost always use an external battery.  I'm
> careful not to overcharge by running the charger for short periods and
> keeping an eye on battery voltage.  I pulled them last night to run the
> batteries on a more sophisticated charger to check each cell as I'm
> heading out tomorrow for a week long camping trip.  No indication of
> problems with any cell.
> 
> When I started to reinsert the cells this morning I noticed the spring
> end of one cell slot had melted plastic in the spring and the spring is
> pushed through the end of the holder almost touching the large cap on
> the filter board.  I almost certainly have a bad cell, now to figure
> out which one.
> 
> Learn from my mistake, pull the batteries regularly and check them
> along with the holder if you're using the internal charger.
> 
> Now off to the rat shack (I still have one of the independent stores
> here) to search for a suitable replacement.
> 
> Tighe
> NK4I
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From stew at ke4yh.com  Sat Aug  1 11:07:10 2015
From: stew at ke4yh.com (Stew)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 11:07:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Centurion Amp
In-Reply-To: <0FED851A-ABBF-4249-9A5B-F29C575A91C7@verizon.net>
References: <0FED851A-ABBF-4249-9A5B-F29C575A91C7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <55BCE09E.9030700@ke4yh.com>

Thanks to all for the responses to my question. Now I can order a K3S 
and know that I won't have to spend the cash for an amp right away.
73,
Stew ke4yh


From w6jhb at me.com  Sat Aug  1 12:12:06 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 09:12:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?
In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046883242F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
References: <trinity-022d70a6-efda-402f-a30d-4f660915e0de-1438420913765@3capp-webde-bs38>
	<31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046883242F@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
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Dieter - if you go by what Fred has documented in his book, it will work superbly. I use my K3 AND KX3 with a KPA500 and KAT500 - I?ve got a two position coax switch that allows me to use whichever radio I want to drive the amp and tuner.

I followed the info (and diagrams) in Fred?s book and my KX3 can drive the KPA500 to about 220+- watts output.

I highly recommend his book(s).

73, Jim / W6JHB


> On   Saturday, Aug 1, 2015, at  Saturday, 6:30 AM, Cady, Fred <fcady at ece.montana.edu> wrote:
> 
> Should be easy as pi.  Use the basic connection scheme and hook up a keying line and the RF.  The KPA and KAT will automatically switch bands when they detect a dah's worth of RF.
> I put a little intro guide on my website:
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
> 
> Cheers and 73,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> Author of:
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
> "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
> 
> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
> 
> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners
> 
> 
> "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.
> 
> "The Elecraft K3S and P3" and 3rd edition K3 book  (Works in progress)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ddillenburger at web.de
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 3:22 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?
> 
> Hi all,
> interested in sharing your experience with connecting a K2/100 or a KX3 respectively to KPA 500.
> Is there probably something similar as the KPAK3AUX cable for the K3 to be usedr with K2/ KX3? Has anybody experimented yet with 'homemade' ideas / modified cables?
> Thanks for any input,
> 73 - Dieter
> 
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From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk  Sat Aug  1 13:18:38 2015
From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 18:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 initial oscillator test
Message-ID: <55BCFF6E.9040607@g3ysx.org.uk>

I am assembling an XV144.

I have got to the point, just after installing the local oscillator
components where it says apply power and test the oscillator.

I can see no sign of life, and am wondering if I need to add the
front panel or to install any of the jumpers?

Can anyone remember getting the kit to this stage and if so
can you remember if the oscillator will just run if you apply
power and press the front panel switch (SW2) or whether you need
to configure the board in some way?

Thanks

Stewart/G3YSX

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug  1 13:38:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 17:38:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_low freq mod
Message-ID: <1615072984.243934.1438450698674.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
Today I finally had time to finish the K3 low frequency mod, adding the caps and removing the inductors from the band pass board.All went well, this is an easy mod even for an old ham.With my calibrated ear and S meter it is noticeable that the noise is lowerat the low end of the band (100 khz ).The NDB were also stronger, From central Oklahoma in the daytime I amable to hear stations in TX,OK,KS,AR,NE some as far as 500 miles.Antenna is a 60 ft 630M top and base loaded vertical.The K3 is working very nice on the 630M experimental band.I have been TX/RX on this band for almost two years with experimental license WG2XXM. 
Most of the time running around 5 watts ERP.The 475 khz 1mw signal coming from the K3 is going into a HB Class D PWR AMP.Running WSPR and JT9 most of the time.I have been off the air for a while doing another hobby with my Son ( Astrophotography ).Weather permitting I will be txing WSPR tonight.Set your radio to 474.2 upper side band WSPR software.You will see my trace at + 1520 -- that will be 710 on the waterfall.Thanks agn Elecraft.73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug  1 13:41:54 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:41:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
Message-ID: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>

Looking for peer review. The setup has changed a bit

 

 

First purchase:

K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit

P3-K Panadapter. 

KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter

KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter

 

 

Second purchase

KPA500-K or Sub Receiver.. or ?

 

I'm getting lots of advice and just trying to figure out how I'll operate.
Apparently it's easier to find the pileups with the pan adapter than the sub
receiver.. J

 

This is still a work in process as I'm planning my purchase at Shelby and
have some antenna work to do.

Thanks in advance

Jer

 


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Aug  1 13:49:54 2015
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 18:49:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] DATA A v SSB maximum receiver bandwidth not as
	wide.
In-Reply-To: <AAAB9BD6-A095-41AB-AA57-9F7F872DE7A8@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4ABA548D-BFEB-4339-9C7D-E7AFC06F7E8A@yahoo.co.uk>
	<001701d0ca9f$a15b9950$e412cbf0$@co.uk>
	<55BA90EA.9000106@triconet.org>
	<27F7EF9E-4D94-434C-BFD5-1F4D029D0F65@elecraft.com>
	<0B033322-AB98-4774-A250-C7FCBF18678F@yahoo.co.uk>
	<F0E8602DF208AAEE.BF3547F9-1D75-4C99-AEC2-92C0F519EB47@mail.outlook.com>
	<AAAB9BD6-A095-41AB-AA57-9F7F872DE7A8@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F71FC8B-4D3D-45FA-B4D4-10C3D32EB1D7@yahoo.co.uk>

No reply from Elecraft on this matter received so far.

So you don't have to read through the details, it is a simple question: 

Why can the RX bandwidth not be made as wide on DATA A mode as it can on SSB mode?

If it can be made to widen out as far let me know what I am missing please.

The LCD on the KX3 shows 4 kHz width but it isn't giving 4 kHz width when viewing the audio (band noise) on WSJT. (It goes from 400Hz at the LF end to 3600 Hz at the HF end).  On SSB by manipulation of centre frequency and width controls it is possible to widen up to 4 kHz (200-4200Hz), but not on DATA A which is what I prefer to use for data modes.

So is this a feature or a bug?


73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

> On 31 Jul 2015, at 14:00, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have been doing that, still don't get 4KHz bandwidth. I would just accept it as a limitation of the receiver if it weren't for the fact that on SSB I can widen the pass out to 4KHz. 
> 
> So in summary, why can't DATA A be as wide as SSB mode?
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 10:34, Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What happens if you change the centre frequency before widening out the bandwidth?
>> 
>> 73, Matt VK2RQ
> 
> 
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From vadept at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:05:38 2015
From: vadept at gmail.com (Frank Precissi)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 18:05:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CADevkqihJUv7oCTAUP4LX77erB7vKHut0c_SB4u6voZ1HhJ9AA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd add the P3TXMON feature to the P3.  It'll help with tuning audio with
the rig.

Frank
KG6EYC

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:43 AM Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> Looking for peer review. The setup has changed a bit
>
>
>
>
>
> First purchase:
>
> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
>
> P3-K Panadapter.
>
> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
>
> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
>
>
>
>
>
> Second purchase
>
> KPA500-K or Sub Receiver.. or ?
>
>
>
> I'm getting lots of advice and just trying to figure out how I'll operate.
> Apparently it's easier to find the pileups with the pan adapter than the
> sub
> receiver.. J
>
>
>
> This is still a work in process as I'm planning my purchase at Shelby and
> have some antenna work to do.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Jer
>
>
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Aug  1 14:07:34 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:07:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] DATA A v SSB maximum receiver bandwidth not as
	wide.
In-Reply-To: <3F71FC8B-4D3D-45FA-B4D4-10C3D32EB1D7@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4ABA548D-BFEB-4339-9C7D-E7AFC06F7E8A@yahoo.co.uk>
	<001701d0ca9f$a15b9950$e412cbf0$@co.uk>
	<55BA90EA.9000106@triconet.org>
	<27F7EF9E-4D94-434C-BFD5-1F4D029D0F65@elecraft.com>
	<0B033322-AB98-4774-A250-C7FCBF18678F@yahoo.co.uk>
	<F0E8602DF208AAEE.BF3547F9-1D75-4C99-AEC2-92C0F519EB47@mail.outlook.com>
	<AAAB9BD6-A095-41AB-AA57-9F7F872DE7A8@yahoo.co.uk>
	<3F71FC8B-4D3D-45FA-B4D4-10C3D32EB1D7@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6A40F174-25C4-443B-B656-B9FE4074F141@wunderwood.org>

Have you tried switching to the high/low cut mode instead of center and width?

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:49 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> No reply from Elecraft on this matter received so far.
> 
> So you don't have to read through the details, it is a simple question: 
> 
> Why can the RX bandwidth not be made as wide on DATA A mode as it can on SSB mode?
> 
> If it can be made to widen out as far let me know what I am missing please.
> 
> The LCD on the KX3 shows 4 kHz width but it isn't giving 4 kHz width when viewing the audio (band noise) on WSJT. (It goes from 400Hz at the LF end to 3600 Hz at the HF end).  On SSB by manipulation of centre frequency and width controls it is possible to widen up to 4 kHz (200-4200Hz), but not on DATA A which is what I prefer to use for data modes.
> 
> So is this a feature or a bug?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 14:00, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I have been doing that, still don't get 4KHz bandwidth. I would just accept it as a limitation of the receiver if it weren't for the fact that on SSB I can widen the pass out to 4KHz. 
>> 
>> So in summary, why can't DATA A be as wide as SSB mode?
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> David Anderson GM4JJJ 
>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 10:34, Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What happens if you change the centre frequency before widening out the bandwidth?
>>> 
>>> 73, Matt VK2RQ
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug  1 14:08:24 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Sfbonk via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:08:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power Setting Problems
Message-ID: <14eea73593f-6a47-2d577@webstg-m04.mail.aol.com>


Had the K3 parked on 6 for casual Es operating. Now moving back to HF. Tripped my Alpha amp, seems to be overpower. Checked tune power and get 5.2W. I have tune set for 10W all bands. Goes back to 5.2 after adjusting. Also set tune for per band with same result. With tune and normal key down power seems more stable on power setting when the 100 W amp kicks in. It is failing the 5W transmitter gain run from the utility with a not getting to power or not settling message. Manual goes to filters, but it does seem like a power setting problem, especially with a possible spike. A few times the 5W test failed on 160 and a few times it got to 40 with setting up to 5W (but not beyond). The amp tripping is scary. Looked like I had a stable tune power and output setting up the amp bit going to pulsing the amp with the keyer, tripped out after a few dits. The spike is fast enough that I don't see it on the K3 power meter or on a peak hold wattmeter. Wanted to put out to the list before getting with Elecraft and possible shipping back. Have had my share of cockpit errors and obvious misses over the years. Bright side is catching it now and not a few days before a contest in the fall.

73 de W3OU, Steve 


From dwines at suddenlink.net  Sat Aug  1 14:11:02 2015
From: dwines at suddenlink.net (Don Wines)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 Options
Message-ID: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>

Since I have recently upgraded some of the options on my K3, I have for 
sale the following:

     KBPF3, Rev. A, General Coverage RX Bandpass Module, $75
     Includes all mounting hardware.

     KXV3-2, Rev. A, RX Ant., IF Out and Xverter Interface  $75
     Includes Tmp cable, all mounting hardware and rear panel plate.

     PR-6, 6m Preamp, Board marked 2008    $75
     Includes 2-BNC M/M adapters, and original power/control cable.
     (Does not include "Y" cables)
     (Requires KXV3 interface)

Any 2 for $125
All 3 for $175

All prices include shipping via USPS.
Manuals and installation instructions are available on Elecraft's web site.

Please reply off-list to dwines at suddenlink dot net.

Thanks for the BW.

Don,
K5DW

From bwruble at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:12:52 2015
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:12:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
Message-ID: <CA+8EV6pPx0xTypP_W_L32hxGR1mk72f7rVZ_pc-+XmjM11EGzA@mail.gmail.com>

My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
for selecting antennas based on the band.

I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
in the band I am operating.

     To be specific,

If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
meters, which is what it does now.

If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
for the dipole tuned to 3800.

Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?

I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.


I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
right thread.

TNX and

73 de Brian W3BW


*Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.

From w2lj at verizon.net  Sat Aug  1 14:15:49 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 14:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dis you have fun in SYBO and FOBB?
Message-ID: <136110febf3e814fa92746ee5d8efb4c@192.168.1.4>

Did you have fun in the Flight of the Bumblebess last Sunday? I sure did!
What's that you say? The bad weather kept you inside? You had one of those dreaded "other commitments" and were unable to get on the air?
Fortunately for you, the NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is NEXT Sunday, August 9th. If you missed SYBO or FOBB you still have a chance to get into the Great Outdoors, in the fresh air and sunshine to play radio if you want to. Be sure not to miss it! And while you're at it, sign up for a Skeeter number if you haven't already done so - all the details are at www.qsl.net/w2lj.
If you didn't miss SYBO or FOBB, here's your chance to beat your best score from the other two. See you on the airwaves soon!
The NJQRP Skeeter Hunt - fast becoming the premier outdoor QRP event in the month of August!
72 de Larry W2LJ - Skeeter #13

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Aug  1 14:17:40 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 11:17:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_low freq mod
In-Reply-To: <1615072984.243934.1438450698674.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1615072984.243934.1438450698674.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6C103126-4ECC-48E5-9459-702156D5BC34@elecraft.com>

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the report. We'll be listening for you.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Today I finally had time to finish the K3 low frequency mod, adding the caps and removing the inductors from the band pass board.All went well, this is an easy mod even for an old ham.With my calibrated ear and S meter it is noticeable that the noise is lowerat the low end of the band (100 khz ).The NDB were also stronger, From central Oklahoma in the daytime I amable to hear stations in TX,OK,KS,AR,NE some as far as 500 miles.Antenna is a 60 ft 630M top and base loaded vertical.The K3 is working very nice on the 630M experimental band.I have been TX/RX on this band for almost two years with experimental license WG2XXM. 
> Most of the time running around 5 watts ERP.The 475 khz 1mw signal coming from the K3 is going into a HB Class D PWR AMP.Running WSPR and JT9 most of the time.I have been off the air for a while doing another hobby with my Son ( Astrophotography ).Weather permitting I will be txing WSPR tonight.Set your radio to 474.2 upper side band WSPR software.You will see my trace at + 1520 -- that will be 710 on the waterfall.Thanks agn Elecraft.73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM




From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sat Aug  1 14:20:41 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:20:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <CADevkqihJUv7oCTAUP4LX77erB7vKHut0c_SB4u6voZ1HhJ9AA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CADevkqihJUv7oCTAUP4LX77erB7vKHut0c_SB4u6voZ1HhJ9AA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34460E54-0113-4E16-9A0A-CC2228FFB4CD@tx.rr.com>


> 
> I'd add the P3TXMON feature to the P3.  It'll help with tuning audio with
> the rig.

TXMON is a good thing to have, but it won?t really help you with audio.  It does not provide a TX spectral display function.

Grant NQ5T


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:28:55 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:28:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] remote viewing of NaP3
In-Reply-To: <014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net>
References: <000101d0cbe1$083733e0$18a59ba0$@VERIZON.NET>
	<014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net>
Message-ID: <55BD0FE7.201@embarqmail.com>

Jeff,

RS-232 is a point to point protocol only.  That means there can be only 
one driver on an RS-232 signal line.
You have 2 drivers on the signalling lines - if one is trying to send 
data while the other one is in an idle state, the one in the idle state 
will override the data being sent.  That is your problem with the Y 
cable.  You will have to find another way.
LP-Bridge can assign an output port on the computer.  I have never done 
it, but I know it is in the instructions.
See www.telepostinc.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/1/2015 9:21 AM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote:
> I run local and remote every week as I travel from my main station location
> to my antenna restricted shore home. I don't have a problem swapping out the
> DB-9 serial port cable, the PTT cable, and the audio out cable when I switch
> over, it takes about a minute to do so. What I would like to do is split the
> serial cable from my local PC to the K3 and the RRC-1258. This would allow
> me to run my NaP3 panadapter s/w along with the RRC-1258, allowing me to
> view the panadapter at the remote control station with teamviewer. I tried a
> simple Y cable and it didn't work, anyone have this working? I have a copy
> of LP_Bridge running, maybe activate yet another virtual comport?


From jack.f6ajw at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:49:28 2015
From: jack.f6ajw at gmail.com (Jack F6AJW)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 20:49:28 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Hi Cur and Hi SWR using KX3 2 meter Module
In-Reply-To: <1438435087.16661.YahooMailIosMobile@web140102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1438435087.16661.YahooMailIosMobile@web140102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55BD14B8.7090502@gmail.com>

???? No text except title?

I have the same issue on my KX3-2m: "Hi-Current" blinking even on dummy 
load but 3 W output still available . Having a loose SMA connector , I 
had to open KX3 and extract 2m card in order to tighten SMA nut (very 
annoying!) . I found it was convenient to use a short piece of coax 
cable with SMA male connector and N female (or what you want) at the 
other end in order to avoid stress on SMA female on KX3 .

KX3-2M is very sensitive but a lot of birdies presents so this is not 
very compatible with weak signals reception, even using transverters in 
front adding noise masking the weakest ones compared to my IC-7400 and 
other transceivers . My DB6NT microwave transverters are well driven 
into TX using + TX available on SMA inner conductor; very good point! 
Another issue I have  is a sort of "microphone effect" in RX ; not sure 
this is the right words ?

Any help?

73's.

Jacques F6AJW/IN93EK



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Aug  1 15:29:14 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:29:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NEW K3S WALLPARER
In-Reply-To: <000001d0cbe2$1f7086a0$5e5193e0$@VERIZON.NET>
References: <000001d0cbe2$1f7086a0$5e5193e0$@VERIZON.NET>
Message-ID: <AC7D14CC-D724-4376-A3FA-9080E06059C5@elecraft.com>

Reminds me of Tom Hanks playing the piano in the movie "Big." If you blow your K3S/P3 image up to room size and put it on the floor, could you can dance and DX at the same time?

Wayne
N6KR


On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:42 PM, RUSSELL J. GUIDRY SR <RJGUIDRYSR at VERIZON.NET> wrote:

> So Kool, now I have a 27 inch K3S and P3.




From kk1w.jim at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 15:33:11 2015
From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (Jim Mullen)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:33:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How to interface SteppIR controller to K3S when using
	USB for PC connection.
Message-ID: <CAF6ucvROdsTzhO4-XtJR=BRkFoUSwH76nbBK5HRveEtGEOutAw@mail.gmail.com>

I have this working on my K3S. Here's the step by step, a short narrative
follows:


Parts required:

(1) Elecraft RJ-45 to DE-9S adapter (Part# E980297 - included with K3S)

(1) SteppIR Transceiver Control cable #S-13 (I believe this is now shown on
the SteppIR website as Transceiver Interface Cable - OTHER MODELS)

Procedure:


As a precaution turn off both the K3S and SteppIR controller before
beginning


1. Attach the Elecraft RJ-45 adapter to the RS232 jack on the back of the
K3S

2. Attach one end of the SteppIR S-13 cable to the DE-9S end of the
Elecraft cable

3. Attach the other end to the S-13 cable to the Data In jack on the back
of your SteppIR controller
4. If you're not using logging software set CONFIG:AUTOINF= Auto 1. If
you're are using logging software this setting can remain the default
CONFIG:AUTOINF
= nor
4. Turn on the SteppIR controller
5. Use the mode button to select the Setup Mode, then choose Transceiver
Setup
6. In the Transceiver Setup screen set Baud = 38400 and Mode - KENW.

7. Exit the settings, then Save your changes.

8. Use the Mode button to choose General Mode.

9. Cycle the power on the SteppIR controller.

10; That's it, your done!


Notes:.


Thanks to Wayne/N6KR for posting information that the RS232 port
'broadcasts' (or mirrors) data from the USB connection. and to Mike/K2MK
for the correct setting of CONFIG:AUTOINF.

Wayne/N6KR has confirmed the broadcast data is sent at 38400. It isn't
possible to set the RS232 baud rate when USB is selected.


If it doesn't work at first be sure your logging/control software is still
talking to the K3S. Don't forget to power cycle the SteppIR controller
after making any changes in its configuration.


The SteppIR controller must be in General Mode, not Ham Mode.


My configuration:


K3S

USB connection to PC (K3S CONFIG:RS232=USB)

Working fine with DXlabs and N1MM+ software
Older SteppIR  with Original Controller model (not the SDA100 but it
shouldn't matter. However menu selections may have different wording).


Hope this helps and as always YMMV

Jim/KK1W

From pfizenmayer at q.com  Sat Aug  1 15:49:20 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:49:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply
In-Reply-To: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>
References: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <2A729ED7A1B3474893510D1D9E922B72@HANKPC>

Since we are in monsoon season here in AZ - if any storm is in area or 
predicted - I  disconnect everything - both at tower and at shack wall.

I noticed this morning that when I plug the KPA500 back in -(its on a 240 
circuit all by itself)  I hear what appears to be an initial  transformer 
magnetizing input hum even though the ON switch is OFF .

All seems to be working fine - going  from ON to OFF the fan runs to bleed 
down the PS and amp works  OK - I just never noticed this hum before .And 
the hum is just at the initial  plug in - it does out to inaudible.

It appears even when the KPA500 is "OFF"  the transformers are still being 
fed from AC line  - TRUE ????

Sheet 1 of 2 of the PS shows a "switch" right at input but that appears to 
be part of the input 120/240  module , KPA500 Front Panel Switches shows the 
"ON-OFF" sw just as a closure to ground feeding control logic at which point 
I get crosseyed.

Hank K7HP 


From dwines at suddenlink.net  Sat Aug  1 15:51:29 2015
From: dwines at suddenlink.net (Don Wines)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 14:51:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 Options (Update)
In-Reply-To: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>
References: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <55BD2341.6010304@suddenlink.net>

The PR-6 and KBPF3 have been spoken for pending funds.

KXV3 is still available.

Don
K5DW

On 08/01/2015 01:11 PM, Don Wines wrote:
> Since I have recently upgraded some of the options on my K3, I have 
> for sale the following:
>
>     KBPF3, Rev. A, General Coverage RX Bandpass Module, $75
>     Includes all mounting hardware.
>
>     KXV3-2, Rev. A, RX Ant., IF Out and Xverter Interface  $75
>     Includes Tmp cable, all mounting hardware and rear panel plate.
>
>     PR-6, 6m Preamp, Board marked 2008    $75
>     Includes 2-BNC M/M adapters, and original power/control cable.
>     (Does not include "Y" cables)
>     (Requires KXV3 interface)
>
> Any 2 for $125
> All 3 for $175
>
> All prices include shipping via USPS.
> Manuals and installation instructions are available on Elecraft's web 
> site.
>
> Please reply off-list to dwines at suddenlink dot net.
>
> Thanks for the BW.
>
> Don,
> K5DW
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From dick at dkhanson.com  Sat Aug  1 15:58:06 2015
From: dick at dkhanson.com (Dick Hanson)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware catastrophe
Message-ID: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>

Hello..

 

Hoping I'm not the only one who's ever encountered this.

 

I was installing 5.29 last nite...and then we had the power go off.

That computer was not on a UPS, so both computer and K3 took the hit.

 

K3 is now totally unresponsive and computer can no longer 'find' it.

 

Suggestions greatly appreciated.

Please do not put "use a UPS backed up computer" at the top of your list J.

 

Thanks,

 

73

Dick, K5AND

 

 


From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sat Aug  1 16:01:54 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to interface SteppIR controller to K3S when
	using USB for PC connection.
In-Reply-To: <CAF6ucvROdsTzhO4-XtJR=BRkFoUSwH76nbBK5HRveEtGEOutAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF6ucvROdsTzhO4-XtJR=BRkFoUSwH76nbBK5HRveEtGEOutAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AC713AB-8EB4-4EC1-91AB-F066E91BEAFA@wjschmidt.com>

The difference, of course is, that the Steppir controller just "listens". 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
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Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Jim Mullen <kk1w.jim at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have this working on my K3S. Here's the step by step, a short narrative
> follows:
> 
> 
> Parts required:
> 
> (1) Elecraft RJ-45 to DE-9S adapter (Part# E980297 - included with K3S)
> 
> (1) SteppIR Transceiver Control cable #S-13 (I believe this is now shown on
> the SteppIR website as Transceiver Interface Cable - OTHER MODELS)
> 
> Procedure:
> 
> 
> As a precaution turn off both the K3S and SteppIR controller before
> beginning
> 
> 
> 1. Attach the Elecraft RJ-45 adapter to the RS232 jack on the back of the
> K3S
> 
> 2. Attach one end of the SteppIR S-13 cable to the DE-9S end of the
> Elecraft cable
> 
> 3. Attach the other end to the S-13 cable to the Data In jack on the back
> of your SteppIR controller
> 4. If you're not using logging software set CONFIG:AUTOINF= Auto 1. If
> you're are using logging software this setting can remain the default
> CONFIG:AUTOINF
> = nor
> 4. Turn on the SteppIR controller
> 5. Use the mode button to select the Setup Mode, then choose Transceiver
> Setup
> 6. In the Transceiver Setup screen set Baud = 38400 and Mode - KENW.
> 
> 7. Exit the settings, then Save your changes.
> 
> 8. Use the Mode button to choose General Mode.
> 
> 9. Cycle the power on the SteppIR controller.
> 
> 10; That's it, your done!
> 
> 
> Notes:.
> 
> 
> Thanks to Wayne/N6KR for posting information that the RS232 port
> 'broadcasts' (or mirrors) data from the USB connection. and to Mike/K2MK
> for the correct setting of CONFIG:AUTOINF.
> 
> Wayne/N6KR has confirmed the broadcast data is sent at 38400. It isn't
> possible to set the RS232 baud rate when USB is selected.
> 
> 
> If it doesn't work at first be sure your logging/control software is still
> talking to the K3S. Don't forget to power cycle the SteppIR controller
> after making any changes in its configuration.
> 
> 
> The SteppIR controller must be in General Mode, not Ham Mode.
> 
> 
> My configuration:
> 
> 
> K3S
> 
> USB connection to PC (K3S CONFIG:RS232=USB)
> 
> Working fine with DXlabs and N1MM+ software
> Older SteppIR  with Original Controller model (not the SDA100 but it
> shouldn't matter. However menu selections may have different wording).
> 
> 
> Hope this helps and as always YMMV
> 
> Jim/KK1W
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From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sat Aug  1 16:05:25 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:05:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0468832430@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Hi All,
In the current K3 firmware (going back a few versions) you can link VFO A and B with the CONFIG:VFO LNK menu.  You used to get them linked by holding SUB, but now that turns on diversity.  A good change.  Linked VFOs is not diversity, in which VFO A controls the main and sub receivers independently of VFO B.  In linked mode the two receivers remain independently controlled by their own VFOs but when you tune VFO A, VFO B tracks along. Tuning VFO B doesn't change VFO A.

So, I'm wondering what others are using linked VFOs for?  

Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.


From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Aug  1 16:07:26 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:07:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware catastrophe
In-Reply-To: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>
References: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>
Message-ID: <92D9747F-04D9-4D94-B096-76236B1A5DC7@elecraft.com>

I test this scenario all the time. See K3 Utility Help, troubleshooting, MCU Load failure. 

73 de Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:58, Dick Hanson <dick at dkhanson.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello..
> 
> 
> 
> Hoping I'm not the only one who's ever encountered this.
> 
> 
> 
> I was installing 5.29 last nite...and then we had the power go off.
> 
> That computer was not on a UPS, so both computer and K3 took the hit.
> 
> 
> 
> K3 is now totally unresponsive and computer can no longer 'find' it.
> 
> 
> 
> Suggestions greatly appreciated.
> 
> Please do not put "use a UPS backed up computer" at the top of your list J.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, K5AND
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug  1 16:08:39 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware catastrophe
In-Reply-To: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>
References: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>
Message-ID: <mf9qra993qjvkdpgv93fpkjgqn76ukna5o@4ax.com>

Hi Dick,

You may have tried this, maybe not -

Try powering on the K3 by holding down the POWER switch on the front
panel for about 10 seconds.  You should see MCU LD on the display, and
the display may not be backlighted (look closely).

If you see the MCU LD annunciator, it means the K3 is ready to accept
new firmware.  Start up the K3 Utility and make sure it's connected to
the K3's COM port.  The utility should indicate the K3 is ready to
accept new firmware.

If the MCU LD text didn't appear, it'd be best to email
K3support at elecraft.com, so that they can assist you.  

Luck shouldn't be a factor, but good luck to you anyway.  I've had
this happen a number of times in the last eight years with my K3, and
the method above always worked.  If a firmware load doesn't complete,
the K3 reverts to its bootloader every time.

What I suggested is in the K3 owner's manual.

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:58:06 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello..
>
> 
>
>Hoping I'm not the only one who's ever encountered this.
>
> 
>
>I was installing 5.29 last nite...and then we had the power go off.
>
>That computer was not on a UPS, so both computer and K3 took the hit.
>
> 
>
>K3 is now totally unresponsive and computer can no longer 'find' it.
>
> 
>
>Suggestions greatly appreciated.
>
>Please do not put "use a UPS backed up computer" at the top of your list J.
>
> 
>
>Thanks,
>
> 
>
>73
>
>Dick, K5AND
>
> 
>
> 
>
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Aug  1 16:32:37 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 13:32:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware catastrophe
In-Reply-To: <92D9747F-04D9-4D94-B096-76236B1A5DC7@elecraft.com>
References: <000601d0cc94$6247c080$26d74180$@dkhanson.com>
	<92D9747F-04D9-4D94-B096-76236B1A5DC7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55BD2CE5.5080206@socal.rr.com>

You test it on purpose, Dick, or ... :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/1/15 1:07 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> I test this scenario all the time. See K3 Utility Help, troubleshooting, MCU Load failure.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:58, Dick Hanson <dick at dkhanson.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello..
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoping I'm not the only one who's ever encountered this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was installing 5.29 last nite...and then we had the power go off.
>>
>> That computer was not on a UPS, so both computer and K3 took the hit.
>>
>>
>>
>> K3 is now totally unresponsive and computer can no longer 'find' it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestions greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Please do not put "use a UPS backed up computer" at the top of your list J.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Dick, K5AND


From dick at dkHanson.com  Sat Aug  1 16:33:22 2015
From: dick at dkHanson.com (Dick Hanson)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 20:33:22 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 firmware issue
Message-ID: <000001d0cc99$4fa10680$eee31380$@dkHanson.com>

To all who responded.

 

Thanks so much.

A number of good suggestions, but the one that 'fixed me' was from Dick,
K6KR.

 

Everything proceeding like it should.

 

What a great group of first responders!

 

73

Dick

 

 



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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sat Aug  1 16:38:45 2015
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?K3_no_xmit=2C_no_receive=3F?=
Message-ID: <20150801133845.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.ad047899e0.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>

Did you ever solve this?

My K3 just died, after being left on overnight.  It was working fine
last evening, and this afternoon, I came down to the shack to start the
NA QSO party CW contest, and no receive, no transmit.

I've tried a number of things, including re-loading all the firmware,
with the requisite reboots, and restoring the configuration file I had
saved just before I took the rig out to W8UM field day.  During Field
Day, we started getting ERR 12V errors, and the rig started
spontaneously shutting down, coming up in low power (less than 10W).  We
had to finish operating the weekend at the 10 W level.  Later, I
discovered that the rig was suffering from the dreaded tin-plated
connector issue, so I ordered the connector upgrade kit, and installed
it a couple of weeks ago.  All seemed fine at that point, and we did use
the rig to make about 50 contacts (at full power) at the Detroit Maker
Faire N8M station last weekend.

So, here's what I know, so far:

1) When I change the filter/DSP controls, I can hear the receiver noise
change accordingly, so it seems that the receive chain is intact at
least from the crystal filters to the audio out.

2) I have the subreceiver installed, and I hear (don't hear?) the
identical things on it, so it seems likely that it is something that is
upstream to both the main and subreceiver, or something they both share
(like a mixer/oscillator).

3) I've tried all bands, and none of them are working, BUT

4) I can see signals on the P3 on all bands, so the signals are getting
at least to the IF takeout for the P3.  I can see signals on ANT 1, ANT2
(I have the ATU), Rx ANT and on the XVTR IN with the KXV3 set to test
mode.

5) In all of these cases transmit shows 0 W out.  The transmit audio
works on USB/LSB, showing ALC and compression readings on the meter. 
With VOX on, the CW paddle switches the K3 into transmit mode, the TX
LED lights, and the CW decode shows the transmitted characters.

6) I tried to do an RF calibration with the K3 utility, and it seems to
complete, but the K3 displays "E 0400E2 ERR DSE", and I have to power
down/up the radio to get rid of the error message.  This might just be a
red herring, as I've read messages that indicate this could be an
overrun error or some other communications error when using the KUSB
adapter (which I'm using on a Windows 7 PC).

In summary, the K3 serial 3105 seems to behave completely normally,
including all controls and displays, except that I cannot hear signals
from the antenna, although they are displayed clearly on the P3, and
transmit power is nil.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive?
From: cx7tt at 4email.net
Date: Sat, May 30, 2015 11:08 am
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: k3support at elecraft.com

Hola,

I was scheduled to operate my K3 as a remote for the WPX contest.
Problems with VPN at remote site delayed that setup. As contest time
approached, I decided to deploy my Buddipole out the apartment window
and was gonna play around with 100w and dipole config.on 15m.

However, I could not hear any signals, at all. Nothing but white noise
on all bands. The Buddipole ends in a BNC which I had connected to
adaptor for PL259. Tried Ant 1 and Ant 2 with no luck. Thinking adaptor
may be bad, I hook BNC to RX in but no sigs there.

 This morning, more troubleshooting, I discovered that there is no power
 out (although I was tricked as ATU was finding perfect SWR , HI).

K3 has not been used for over a year and when I brought it to HP, it was
inside my rollaboard so I had a watchful eye on it during the trip. The
only thing I can think of, is perhaps one or more of the circuit boards
was dislodged due to vibrations of rolling around the airport or within
the airplane(s) themselves. 9 hours on B767 then 3 on a
 B737.

Before I open up the K3 and start messing around inside. any suggestions
or tips on where I should start? I am thinking of pulling circuit boards
then resetting them, just in case one or more was 'jiggled' loose during
transport.

73 Tom HP1/K6CT aka CX7TT

--


From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sat Aug  1 16:58:28 2015
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 13:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Linked_VFO=27s_--_usage=3F?=
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Operating split on 10M on the FM repeaters.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at ece.montana.edu>
Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:05 pm
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Hi All,
In the current K3 firmware (going back a few versions) you can link VFO
A and B with the CONFIG:VFO LNK menu. You used to get them linked by
holding SUB, but now that turns on diversity. A good change. Linked VFOs
is not diversity, in which VFO A controls the main and sub receivers
independently of VFO B. In linked mode the two receivers remain
independently controlled by their own VFOs but when you tune VFO A, VFO
B tracks along. Tuning VFO B doesn't change VFO A.

So, I'm wondering what others are using linked VFOs for?

Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at
www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the
KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3" and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S
upgrade parts are works in progress.

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From kenk3iu at cox.net  Sat Aug  1 17:00:02 2015
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 17:00:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [Price Reduced]
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Looks like I may have had too high expectations regarding 
the asking price.

Price now reduced to $75 delivered via USPS .

73,
Ken K3IU
Portsmouth RI
Kenk3iu at cox.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 7/30/2015 5:26 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
> I have purchased the KXV3B and now have a PR6 external 
> preamp excess to my needs. $100 USPS Priority Mail 
> delivered in US. Please respond direct.
>
> 73,
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Aug  1 17:01:37 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:01:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
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I would check with W4TV. I suspect microHAM's Station Master might be able do this. 

The band outputs from the K3 ACC connector are just enough to select the band. To split the band on your chosen frequency you will need something that reads the serial port output of the K3, and put the radio into AUTOINF which causes the K3 to send its frequency when you move the VFO. The SteppIR controller reads this.  

Good luck!

73 de Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:12, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
> for selecting antennas based on the band.
> 
> I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
> in the band I am operating.
> 
>     To be specific,
> 
> If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
> bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
> meters, which is what it does now.
> 
> If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
> select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
> TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
> for the dipole tuned to 3800.
> 
> Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?
> 
> I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
> at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
> different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
> KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.
> 
> 
> I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
> right thread.
> 
> TNX and
> 
> 73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> 
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 17:49:40 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:49:40 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0468832430@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
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Fred,
I was mortified when first suggestions appeared saying the linked feature should disappear and I became a vocal critic of removal and hear is why.

I don't have or intend to add the second receiver and I think I am not alone.

I chase dx most of my operating time and Dxpeditions are high on my list. As we all know these ops often run up 2 on cw or up 5 on SSB with variations of their split.

Setting the vfo's to 'linked' I run up and down the band I am on and when I find the station I am chasing I have the k3 set to split and I can quickly jump in and get the contact.

This style has kept me away from the 'up up up' cops and keeps my blood pressure in normal range. Always a good thing right?

Are there other uses? Maybe, maybe not, but this works nice for me and I have operated this way for thousands of QSO's since '08 with #679

Hope I explained this correctly as my k3 is at Elecraft for upgrade and repair and waiting for the billing department to issue an invoice do it can be shipped back. Don't ask me why it takes days to get an invoice, I am not impressed.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at ece.montana.edu>
Sent: ?2/?08/?2015 6:06 AM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?

Hi All,
In the current K3 firmware (going back a few versions) you can link VFO A and B with the CONFIG:VFO LNK menu.  You used to get them linked by holding SUB, but now that turns on diversity.  A good change.  Linked VFOs is not diversity, in which VFO A controls the main and sub receivers independently of VFO B.  In linked mode the two receivers remain independently controlled by their own VFOs but when you tune VFO A, VFO B tracks along. Tuning VFO B doesn't change VFO A.

So, I'm wondering what others are using linked VFOs for?  

Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

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From w6jhb at me.com  Sat Aug  1 18:10:41 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 15:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] remote viewing of NaP3
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References: <000101d0cbe1$083733e0$18a59ba0$@VERIZON.NET>
	<014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net> <55BD0FE7.201@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BC1EB8A-B79C-4EB9-AF0F-6A84E0C61FB3@me.com>

Don is correct - the free Windows program LP Bridge (or LPB2) is what you want to try. I ran ONE serial-to-USB cable out of my KX3 into LPB2. I then assigned one virtual serial port to NaP3 and another to LOG4OM, a Windows based free logging program. Each application thought it had its own serial connection to the KX3. Worked very well.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> RS-232 is a point to point protocol only.  That means there can be only one driver on an RS-232 signal line.
> You have 2 drivers on the signalling lines - if one is trying to send data while the other one is in an idle state, the one in the idle state will override the data being sent.  That is your problem with the Y cable.  You will have to find another way.
> LP-Bridge can assign an output port on the computer.  I have never done it, but I know it is in the instructions.
> See www.telepostinc.com.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/1/2015 9:21 AM, kb2m at arrl.net wrote:
>> I run local and remote every week as I travel from my main station location
>> to my antenna restricted shore home. I don't have a problem swapping out the
>> DB-9 serial port cable, the PTT cable, and the audio out cable when I switch
>> over, it takes about a minute to do so. What I would like to do is split the
>> serial cable from my local PC to the K3 and the RRC-1258. This would allow
>> me to run my NaP3 panadapter s/w along with the RRC-1258, allowing me to
>> view the panadapter at the remote control station with teamviewer. I tried a
>> simple Y cable and it didn't work, anyone have this working? I have a copy
>> of LP_Bridge running, maybe activate yet another virtual comport?
> 
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From n8sbe at arrl.net  Sat Aug  1 18:14:04 2015
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 15:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]
 =?utf-8?b?SzNfbm9feG1pdCxfbm9fcmVjZWl2ZT8gRklYRUQhIChm?=
 =?utf-8?q?or_now=29?=
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OK, I took the top cover off on the bench, and wiggled some of the TMP
connectors on the new synth boards, and viola!  Rx and Tx are back.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find which, if any, connector was
flakey, as additional wiggling now doesn't make the issue re-appear.

So, off to the NA QSO party I go, better late than never...

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive?
From: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:38 pm
To: cx7tt at 4email.net, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: k3support at elecraft.com

Did you ever solve this?

My K3 just died, after being left on overnight. It was working fine
last evening, and this afternoon, I came down to the shack to start the
NA QSO party CW contest, and no receive, no transmit.

I've tried a number of things, including re-loading all the firmware,
with the requisite reboots, and restoring the configuration file I had
saved just before I took the rig out to W8UM field day. During Field
Day, we started getting ERR 12V errors, and the rig started
spontaneously shutting down, coming up in low power (less than 10W). We
had to finish operating the weekend at the 10 W level. Later, I
discovered that the rig was suffering from the dreaded tin-plated
connector issue, so I ordered the connector upgrade kit, and installed
it a couple of weeks ago. All seemed fine at that point, and we did use
the rig to make about 50 contacts (at full power) at the Detroit Maker
Faire N8M station last weekend.

So, here's what I know, so far:

1) When I change the filter/DSP controls, I can hear the receiver noise
change accordingly, so it seems that the receive chain is intact at
least from the crystal filters to the audio out.

2) I have the subreceiver installed, and I hear (don't hear?) the
identical things on it, so it seems likely that it is something that is
upstream to both the main and subreceiver, or something they both share
(like a mixer/oscillator).

3) I've tried all bands, and none of them are working, BUT

4) I can see signals on the P3 on all bands, so the signals are getting
at least to the IF takeout for the P3. I can see signals on ANT 1, ANT2
(I have the ATU), Rx ANT and on the XVTR IN with the KXV3 set to test
mode.

5) In all of these cases transmit shows 0 W out. The transmit audio
works on USB/LSB, showing ALC and compression readings on the meter.
With VOX on, the CW paddle switches the K3 into transmit mode, the TX
LED lights, and the CW decode shows the transmitted characters.

6) I tried to do an RF calibration with the K3 utility, and it seems to
complete, but the K3 displays "E 0400E2 ERR DSE", and I have to power
down/up the radio to get rid of the error message. This might just be a
red herring, as I've read messages that indicate this could be an
overrun error or some other communications error when using the KUSB
adapter (which I'm using on a Windows 7 PC).

In summary, the K3 serial 3105 seems to behave completely normally,
including all controls and displays, except that I cannot hear signals
from the antenna, although they are displayed clearly on the P3, and
transmit power is nil.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive?
From: cx7tt at 4email.net
Date: Sat, May 30, 2015 11:08 am
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc: k3support at elecraft.com

Hola,

I was scheduled to operate my K3 as a remote for the WPX contest.
Problems with VPN at remote site delayed that setup. As contest time
approached, I decided to deploy my Buddipole out the apartment window
and was gonna play around with 100w and dipole config.on 15m.

However, I could not hear any signals, at all. Nothing but white noise
on all bands. The Buddipole ends in a BNC which I had connected to
adaptor for PL259. Tried Ant 1 and Ant 2 with no luck. Thinking adaptor
may be bad, I hook BNC to RX in but no sigs there.

 This morning, more troubleshooting, I discovered that there is no power
 out (although I was tricked as ATU was finding perfect SWR , HI).

K3 has not been used for over a year and when I brought it to HP, it was
inside my rollaboard so I had a watchful eye on it during the trip. The
only thing I can think of, is perhaps one or more of the circuit boards
was dislodged due to vibrations of rolling around the airport or within
the airplane(s) themselves. 9 hours on B767 then 3 on a
 B737.

Before I open up the K3 and start messing around inside. any suggestions
or tips on where I should start? I am thinking of pulling circuit boards
then resetting them, just in case one or more was 'jiggled' loose during
transport.

73 Tom HP1/K6CT aka CX7TT

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Aug  1 18:29:43 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:29:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
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Hi Dave,

You don't need to use linked VFOs for this purpose. If you've set up a repeater offset on the current band, and have selected +/- rather than simplex (using the ALT switch in FM mode), then transmit will automatically be offset that amount from VFO A no matter where you tune in the band. 

For this reason, you don't need to use VFO B at all when using FM and repeaters with the K3, K3S, or KX3. Hence no need to use VFO linking, SPLIT mode, etc.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 1, 2015, at 1:58 PM, "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net> wrote:

> Operating split on 10M on the FM repeaters.
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
> From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at ece.montana.edu>
> Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:05 pm
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> 
> Hi All,
> In the current K3 firmware (going back a few versions) you can link VFO
> A and B with the CONFIG:VFO LNK menu. You used to get them linked by
> holding SUB, but now that turns on diversity. A good change. Linked VFOs
> is not diversity, in which VFO A controls the main and sub receivers
> independently of VFO B. In linked mode the two receivers remain
> independently controlled by their own VFOs but when you tune VFO A, VFO
> B tracks along. Tuning VFO B doesn't change VFO A.
> 
> So, I'm wondering what others are using linked VFOs for?
> 
> Cheers and 73,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> Author of:
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
> "The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at
> www.elecraft.com
> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
> 
> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners
> 
> "The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the
> KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.
> 
> "The Elecraft K3S and P3" and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S
> upgrade parts are works in progress.
> 
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From stewart at twinwood.me  Sat Aug  1 18:49:13 2015
From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 23:49:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
In-Reply-To: <7624B9DA-18ED-4750-A02B-0F297AFD780A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <201581234913.441725@Shack>

Station Master will do what you want.
It is extremely versatile for selecting antennas etc, dependant on frequency...

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 14:01:37 -0700, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> I would check with W4TV. I suspect microHAM's Station Master might be able do 
this.
>
> The band outputs from the K3 ACC connector are just enough to select the band. 
To split the band on your chosen frequency you will need something that reads 
the serial port output of the K3, and put the radio into AUTOINF which causes 
the K3 to send its frequency when you move the VFO. The SteppIR controller reads 
this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:12, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
>> for selecting antennas based on the band.
>>
>> I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
>> in the band I am operating.
>>
>>    To be specific,
>>
>> If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
>> bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
>> meters, which is what it does now.
>>
>> If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
>> select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
>> TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
>> for the dipole tuned to 3800.
>>
>> Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?
>>
>> I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
>> at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
>> different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
>> KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.
>>
>>
>> I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
>> right thread.
>>
>> TNX and
>>
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>>
>>
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug  1 19:26:36 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 19:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
In-Reply-To: <7624B9DA-18ED-4750-A02B-0F297AFD780A@elecraft.com>
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	<7624B9DA-18ED-4750-A02B-0F297AFD780A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55BD55AC.7030408@subich.com>


Yes, Station Master allows the user to define "custom" bands based on
frequency not the "band" definition (BPF selection) in the transceiver
EPROM.  There have been a few "one off" CAT Decoder projects (typically
using an Aurdino, Raspberry PI, or custom PIC) that will do the same
thing if you are so inclined to do a little research with Google.

However, I know of no currently available off the shelf product that
supports "custom" band definitions for "in band" antenna switching
other than the microHAM Station Master.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-08-01 5:01 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> I would check with W4TV. I suspect microHAM's Station Master might be able do this.
>
> The band outputs from the K3 ACC connector are just enough to select the band. To split the band on your chosen frequency you will need something that reads the serial port output of the K3, and put the radio into AUTOINF which causes the K3 to send its frequency when you move the VFO. The SteppIR controller reads this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:12, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
>> for selecting antennas based on the band.
>>
>> I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
>> in the band I am operating.
>>
>>      To be specific,
>>
>> If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
>> bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
>> meters, which is what it does now.
>>
>> If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
>> select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
>> TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
>> for the dipole tuned to 3800.
>>
>> Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?
>>
>> I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
>> at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
>> different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
>> KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.
>>
>>
>> I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
>> right thread.
>>
>> TNX and
>>
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>>
>>
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Aug  1 20:03:43 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 20:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <34460E54-0113-4E16-9A0A-CC2228FFB4CD@tx.rr.com>
References: <34460E54-0113-4E16-9A0A-CC2228FFB4CD@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55BD5E5F.8000509@nycap.rr.com>

To me, the P3 is infinitely more useful than a second RX. Once you use a 
P3, you will never want to be without it.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From droese at necg.de  Sat Aug  1 20:08:40 2015
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 02:08:40 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] remote viewing of NaP3
In-Reply-To: <014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net>
References: <000101d0cbe1$083733e0$18a59ba0$@VERIZON.NET>
	<014101d0cc5c$eb28edd0$c17ac970$@net>
Message-ID: <55BD5F88.3040403@necg.de>

Jeff,

simplest way is to mirror CAT signals to RRC's COM1 and connect that 
port to the PC.

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 01.08.2015 um 15:21 schrieb kb2m at arrl.net:
> I run local and remote every week as I travel from my main station location
> to my antenna restricted shore home. I don't have a problem swapping out the
> DB-9 serial port cable, the PTT cable, and the audio out cable when I switch
> over, it takes about a minute to do so. What I would like to do is split the
> serial cable from my local PC to the K3 and the RRC-1258. This would allow
> me to run my NaP3 panadapter s/w along with the RRC-1258, allowing me to
> view the panadapter at the remote control station with teamviewer. I tried a
> simple Y cable and it didn't work, anyone have this working? I have a copy
> of LP_Bridge running, maybe activate yet another virtual comport? I'm trying
> to keep this as simple as possible as I leave the frozen north for Florida
> for 7 months after the summer is over here and require a bullet proof
> setup....
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>
>
>
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From rtavan at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 20:24:44 2015
From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 17:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
In-Reply-To: <CA+8EV6pPx0xTypP_W_L32hxGR1mk72f7rVZ_pc-+XmjM11EGzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6pPx0xTypP_W_L32hxGR1mk72f7rVZ_pc-+XmjM11EGzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF177D73-ED0B-41B9-AAF0-0B048106F8D6@gmail.com>

BandAide is pretty versatile itself. You can use position "B" to select an alternative 80M antenna. It's manual and requires some external steering but you probably don't switch between cw and Ssb all that often.

Rick

--
Rick Tavan
iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
> for selecting antennas based on the band.
> 
> I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
> in the band I am operating.
> 
>     To be specific,
> 
> If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
> bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
> meters, which is what it does now.
> 
> If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
> select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
> TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
> for the dipole tuned to 3800.
> 
> Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?
> 
> I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
> at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
> different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
> KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.
> 
> 
> I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
> right thread.
> 
> TNX and
> 
> 73 de Brian W3BW
> 
> 
> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From bwruble at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 20:27:10 2015
From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F Wruble)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 20:27:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Selecting Antennas via Band Decoder
In-Reply-To: <CF177D73-ED0B-41B9-AAF0-0B048106F8D6@gmail.com>
References: <CA+8EV6pPx0xTypP_W_L32hxGR1mk72f7rVZ_pc-+XmjM11EGzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF177D73-ED0B-41B9-AAF0-0B048106F8D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D73B0B6-1E8C-4126-AFEE-E739652E0068@gmail.com>

Thanks. I need it to be auto, because I operate remotely much of the time. 

Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. 
Sent from my iPad Air 2

> On Aug 1, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Rick Tavan <rtavan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BandAide is pretty versatile itself. You can use position "B" to select an alternative 80M antenna. It's manual and requires some external steering but you probably don't switch between cw and Ssb all that often.
> 
> Rick
> 
> --
> Rick Tavan
> iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Brian F. Wruble <bwruble at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My K3 is connected to a TopTen "Band Aide" band decoder.  It works great
>> for selecting antennas based on the band.
>> 
>> I would like to be able to select a different antenna depending on *where*
>> in the band I am operating.
>> 
>>    To be specific,
>> 
>> If I am operating at 3500-3600, I want to select a dipole tuned to the
>> bottom of the 80 meter band.  It needs to tell the TopTen to select 80
>> meters, which is what it does now.
>> 
>> If I am operating in the range 3601-4000, I want the TopTen to be told to
>> select a different dipole, one tuned to 3800.  The K3 needs to tell the
>> TopTen to select some unused band which I can then rig to select the relay
>> for the dipole tuned to 3800.
>> 
>> Is there a way to set up the K3 to do this?
>> 
>> I have been able to accomplish this by selecting different antenna outputs
>> at the KAT500, but what I really need is a way to tell the TopTen to select
>> different relays at the base of my tower.  Changing antenna outputs at the
>> KAT500  requires a separate cable run to the tower.
>> 
>> 
>> I am sure this must have been covered at one time, but I can't find the
>> right thread.
>> 
>> TNX and
>> 
>> 73 de Brian W3BW
>> 
>> 
>> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A.
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From gary at grobe.net  Sat Aug  1 21:18:27 2015
From: gary at grobe.net (Gary Grobe)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 20:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale - K3/100 #5645
Message-ID: <55BD6FE3.70703@grobe.net>

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Hi - For sale, K3/100 watt transceiver serial #5645. I am the original
owner, non-smoker, and have all the original manuals. The radio is in
excellent condition and working order, no marks or scratches, and is
equipped with the following:

K3/100 - 100 Watt
KAT3 - K3 ATU
KXV3A - K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
KFL3A-2.7 KHz SSB filter
KFL3A-1.8 - K3 1.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3a-400 - K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter
KFL3B-FM - FM b/w filter
K144XV-K - K3 Int. 2 M Module Kit
KXV3A - K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
K144RFLK - REFCLOCK

Selling to upgrade. Will send pictures upon request. Asking $2600 via
PayPal or money order. Please reply off-line.

Thanks and 73,

Gary/KE5AMW
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From pfizenmayer at q.com  Sat Aug  1 21:22:02 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 18:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply
In-Reply-To: <2A729ED7A1B3474893510D1D9E922B72@HANKPC>
References: <55BD0BB6.3000609@suddenlink.net>
	<2A729ED7A1B3474893510D1D9E922B72@HANKPC>
Message-ID: <F89998E8146C4B03815469E03801C2EA@HANKPC>

Face is red - Issue resolved - senior moment - yep the transformers are 
energized anytime its plugged in and the
"ON-OFF" switch on the input voltage /fusing module is "ON". Been so long 
since I looked at back of amp
after I finished it and hooked it up , I forgot that was a real switch. Nice 
to have gear so trouble free you
forget what the back looks like !!!! Some part of the PS HAS to be on for 
voltage for the logic.

Thanks to all who responded

Hank K7HP

-----Original Message----- 
From: Hank P
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 12:49 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply

Since we are in monsoon season here in AZ - if any storm is in area or
predicted - I  disconnect everything - both at tower and at shack wall.

I noticed this morning that when I plug the KPA500 back in -(its on a 240
circuit all by itself)  I hear what appears to be an initial  transformer
magnetizing input hum even though the ON switch is OFF .

All seems to be working fine - going  from ON to OFF the fan runs to bleed
down the PS and amp works  OK - I just never noticed this hum before .And
the hum is just at the initial  plug in - it does out to inaudible.

It appears even when the KPA500 is "OFF"  the transformers are still being
fed from AC line  - TRUE ????

Sheet 1 of 2 of the PS shows a "switch" right at input but that appears to
be part of the input 120/240  module , KPA500 Front Panel Switches shows the
"ON-OFF" sw just as a closure to ground feeding control logic at which point
I get crosseyed.

Hank K7HP

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From cx7tt at 4email.net  Sat Aug  1 23:02:37 2015
From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:02:37 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive?
In-Reply-To: <20150801133845.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.ad047899e0.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
References: <20150801133845.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.ad047899e0.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <1438484557.388216.345392529.28415563@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Dave,

Yes I did solve by opening up the K3 and 'jiggling' circuit boards and
putting covers back on....so, not sure which board had gotten loose.  I
see where you cc support, as it's the weekend, you may want to post on
the reflector so the battery of experts, like W3FPR can read your well
written diagnosis below.

Wish you luck.

73
Tom

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015, at 17:38, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
> Did you ever solve this?
> 
> My K3 just died, after being left on overnight.  It was working fine
> last evening, and this afternoon, I came down to the shack to start the
> NA QSO party CW contest, and no receive, no transmit.
> 
> I've tried a number of things, including re-loading all the firmware,
> with the requisite reboots, and restoring the configuration file I had
> saved just before I took the rig out to W8UM field day.  During Field
> Day, we started getting ERR 12V errors, and the rig started
> spontaneously shutting down, coming up in low power (less than 10W).  We
> had to finish operating the weekend at the 10 W level.  Later, I
> discovered that the rig was suffering from the dreaded tin-plated
> connector issue, so I ordered the connector upgrade kit, and installed
> it a couple of weeks ago.  All seemed fine at that point, and we did use
> the rig to make about 50 contacts (at full power) at the Detroit Maker
> Faire N8M station last weekend.
> 
> So, here's what I know, so far:
> 
> 1) When I change the filter/DSP controls, I can hear the receiver noise
> change accordingly, so it seems that the receive chain is intact at
> least from the crystal filters to the audio out.
> 
> 2) I have the subreceiver installed, and I hear (don't hear?) the
> identical things on it, so it seems likely that it is something that is
> upstream to both the main and subreceiver, or something they both share
> (like a mixer/oscillator).
> 
> 3) I've tried all bands, and none of them are working, BUT
> 
> 4) I can see signals on the P3 on all bands, so the signals are getting
> at least to the IF takeout for the P3.  I can see signals on ANT 1, ANT2
> (I have the ATU), Rx ANT and on the XVTR IN with the KXV3 set to test
> mode.
> 
> 5) In all of these cases transmit shows 0 W out.  The transmit audio
> works on USB/LSB, showing ALC and compression readings on the meter. 
> With VOX on, the CW paddle switches the K3 into transmit mode, the TX
> LED lights, and the CW decode shows the transmitted characters.
> 
> 6) I tried to do an RF calibration with the K3 utility, and it seems to
> complete, but the K3 displays "E 0400E2 ERR DSE", and I have to power
> down/up the radio to get rid of the error message.  This might just be a
> red herring, as I've read messages that indicate this could be an
> overrun error or some other communications error when using the KUSB
> adapter (which I'm using on a Windows 7 PC).
> 
> In summary, the K3 serial 3105 seems to behave completely normally,
> including all controls and displays, except that I cannot hear signals
> from the antenna, although they are displayed clearly on the P3, and
> transmit power is nil.
> 
> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
> 
> 73,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive?
> From: cx7tt at 4email.net
> Date: Sat, May 30, 2015 11:08 am
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: k3support at elecraft.com
> 
> Hola,
> 
> I was scheduled to operate my K3 as a remote for the WPX contest.
> Problems with VPN at remote site delayed that setup. As contest time
> approached, I decided to deploy my Buddipole out the apartment window
> and was gonna play around with 100w and dipole config.on 15m.
> 
> However, I could not hear any signals, at all. Nothing but white noise
> on all bands. The Buddipole ends in a BNC which I had connected to
> adaptor for PL259. Tried Ant 1 and Ant 2 with no luck. Thinking adaptor
> may be bad, I hook BNC to RX in but no sigs there.
> 
>  This morning, more troubleshooting, I discovered that there is no power
>  out (although I was tricked as ATU was finding perfect SWR , HI).
> 
> K3 has not been used for over a year and when I brought it to HP, it was
> inside my rollaboard so I had a watchful eye on it during the trip. The
> only thing I can think of, is perhaps one or more of the circuit boards
> was dislodged due to vibrations of rolling around the airport or within
> the airplane(s) themselves. 9 hours on B767 then 3 on a
>  B737.
> 
> Before I open up the K3 and start messing around inside. any suggestions
> or tips on where I should start? I am thinking of pulling circuit boards
> then resetting them, just in case one or more was 'jiggled' loose during
> transport.
> 
> 73 Tom HP1/K6CT aka CX7TT
> 
> --
> 

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 23:08:05 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 23:08:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
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With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that the
TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to have the
center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an intermittent
problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times possible (been
there, done that).

If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those
TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again.  Note that
most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are
fully seated.

Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.

Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did  :>)

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Dave New, N8SBE <n8sbe at arrl.net> wrote:
> OK, I took the top cover off on the bench, and wiggled some of the TMP
> connectors on the new synth boards, and viola!  Rx and Tx are back.
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find which, if any, connector was
> flakey, as additional wiggling now doesn't make the issue re-appear.
>
> So, off to the NA QSO party I go, better late than never...
>
> 73,
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive?
> From: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
> Date: Sat, August 01, 2015 4:38 pm
> To: cx7tt at 4email.net, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: k3support at elecraft.com
>
> Did you ever solve this?
>
> My K3 just died, after being left on overnight. It was working fine
> last evening, and this afternoon, I came down to the shack to start the
> NA QSO party CW contest, and no receive, no transmit.
>
> I've tried a number of things, including re-loading all the firmware,
> with the requisite reboots, and restoring the configuration file I had
> saved just before I took the rig out to W8UM field day. During Field
> Day, we started getting ERR 12V errors, and the rig started
> spontaneously shutting down, coming up in low power (less than 10W). We
> had to finish operating the weekend at the 10 W level. Later, I
> discovered that the rig was suffering from the dreaded tin-plated
> connector issue, so I ordered the connector upgrade kit, and installed
> it a couple of weeks ago. All seemed fine at that point, and we did use
> the rig to make about 50 contacts (at full power) at the Detroit Maker
> Faire N8M station last weekend.
>
> So, here's what I know, so far:
>
> 1) When I change the filter/DSP controls, I can hear the receiver noise
> change accordingly, so it seems that the receive chain is intact at
> least from the crystal filters to the audio out.
>
> 2) I have the subreceiver installed, and I hear (don't hear?) the
> identical things on it, so it seems likely that it is something that is
> upstream to both the main and subreceiver, or something they both share
> (like a mixer/oscillator).
>
> 3) I've tried all bands, and none of them are working, BUT
>
> 4) I can see signals on the P3 on all bands, so the signals are getting
> at least to the IF takeout for the P3. I can see signals on ANT 1, ANT2
> (I have the ATU), Rx ANT and on the XVTR IN with the KXV3 set to test
> mode.
>
> 5) In all of these cases transmit shows 0 W out. The transmit audio
> works on USB/LSB, showing ALC and compression readings on the meter.
> With VOX on, the CW paddle switches the K3 into transmit mode, the TX
> LED lights, and the CW decode shows the transmitted characters.
>
> 6) I tried to do an RF calibration with the K3 utility, and it seems to
> complete, but the K3 displays "E 0400E2 ERR DSE", and I have to power
> down/up the radio to get rid of the error message. This might just be a
> red herring, as I've read messages that indicate this could be an
> overrun error or some other communications error when using the KUSB
> adapter (which I'm using on a Windows 7 PC).
>
> In summary, the K3 serial 3105 seems to behave completely normally,
> including all controls and displays, except that I cannot hear signals
> from the antenna, although they are displayed clearly on the P3, and
> transmit power is nil.
>
> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> 73,
>
> -- Dave, N8SBE
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no xmit, no receive?
> From: cx7tt at 4email.net
> Date: Sat, May 30, 2015 11:08 am
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Cc: k3support at elecraft.com
>
> Hola,
>
> I was scheduled to operate my K3 as a remote for the WPX contest.
> Problems with VPN at remote site delayed that setup. As contest time
> approached, I decided to deploy my Buddipole out the apartment window
> and was gonna play around with 100w and dipole config.on 15m.
>
> However, I could not hear any signals, at all. Nothing but white noise
> on all bands. The Buddipole ends in a BNC which I had connected to
> adaptor for PL259. Tried Ant 1 and Ant 2 with no luck. Thinking adaptor
> may be bad, I hook BNC to RX in but no sigs there.
>
>  This morning, more troubleshooting, I discovered that there is no power
>  out (although I was tricked as ATU was finding perfect SWR , HI).
>
> K3 has not been used for over a year and when I brought it to HP, it was
> inside my rollaboard so I had a watchful eye on it during the trip. The
> only thing I can think of, is perhaps one or more of the circuit boards
> was dislodged due to vibrations of rolling around the airport or within
> the airplane(s) themselves. 9 hours on B767 then 3 on a
>  B737.
>
> Before I open up the K3 and start messing around inside. any suggestions
> or tips on where I should start? I am thinking of pulling circuit boards
> then resetting them, just in case one or more was 'jiggled' loose during
> transport.
>
> 73 Tom HP1/K6CT aka CX7TT
>
> --
>
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From alan at elecraft.com  Sun Aug  2 00:32:38 2015
From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 21:32:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
In-Reply-To: <55B441C0.6030807@elecraft.com>
References: <26af01d0c714$a3944160$eabcc420$@wjschmidt.com>
	<55B441C0.6030807@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55BD9D66.4010006@elecraft.com>

On 07/25/2015 07:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> On 07/25/2015 01:01 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
>> I suppose the next thing we'll need is an outboard box to switch 3 P3TX
>> sensors automatically keyed off the ACC connector (amp off HF, amp on
>> HF, 2 meter).  Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone else has thought about this?
>
> You can buy manual RJ-45 switches on Amazon.  I just ordered one to try
> out.  10 bucks plus shipping:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Network-Output-Manual-Sharing-Switch/dp/B00AUB3SSA/

This is a little box that has 4 pushbutton switches on the front that 
select one of four one RJ-45 connectors.  I received the unit a few days 
ago and finally got around to trying it.  It is quite small - about 4.7 
x 3.3 x 1.1 inches (11.9 x 8.4 x 2.8 cm).

I have it connected with short Ethernet LAN cables to three sensors: 
200W HF, 2000W HF and VHF.  The fourth position is "off".  It makes it 
quick and easy to select and de-select sensors for my testing.  The P3 
TX monitor automatically senses which type of sensor is connected and 
changes scale factors and calibration values as required.

I took it apart to examine the innards.  Each of the four pushbuttons is 
ganged to two 4PST switches, so all 8 lines of the RJ-45 connectors are 
switched.  It appears well-constructed with a good-quality PC board. 
The chassis is thin sheet metal, but perfectly adequate for the purpose. 
  One odd feature is that the pushbuttons are labeled D through A, left 
to right.  They did that so the connectors on the rear panel come out in 
the more-logical A-D order.

By the way, it should also work fine with a W2 if you want to be able to 
use more than two sensors.

Alan N1AL

From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug  2 01:06:12 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 22:06:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>

If you want to see intermittent connections...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344

Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion inside 
the socket.

And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the desert of 
Tucson is less than 20%.

On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that the
> TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to have the
> center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an intermittent
> problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times possible (been
> there, done that).
>
> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those
> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again.  Note that
> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are
> fully seated.
>
> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.
>
> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did  :>)
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>


From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  2 01:45:30 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 22:45:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <000601d0cce6$71c6c220$55544660$@net>

What do they make those things out of ??
Is that your new K3S ??

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes
(N7WS)
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 10:06 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)

If you want to see intermittent connections...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/
692485818#zax/2040317344

Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion
inside the socket.

And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the desert
of Tucson is less than 20%.

On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that the 
> TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to have the 
> center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an intermittent 
> problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times possible (been 
> there, done that).
>
> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those 
> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again.  Note that 
> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are 
> fully seated.
>
> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.
>
> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did  :>)
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>

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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sun Aug  2 02:09:13 2015
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 01:09:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
In-Reply-To: <55BD9D66.4010006@elecraft.com>
References: <26af01d0c714$a3944160$eabcc420$@wjschmidt.com>	<55B441C0.6030807@elecraft.com>
	<55BD9D66.4010006@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <000001d0cce9$c1cc91c0$4565b540$@wjschmidt.com>

I'm working on something that is a little more 21st century-ish... something
that is auto switching basis a little programming...  about $20 worth of
stuff and it's god to go.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch - K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

Owner - Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan
Bloom
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:33 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor

On 07/25/2015 07:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> On 07/25/2015 01:01 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
>> I suppose the next thing we'll need is an outboard box to switch 3 P3TX
>> sensors automatically keyed off the ACC connector (amp off HF, amp on
>> HF, 2 meter).  Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone else has thought about this?
>
> You can buy manual RJ-45 switches on Amazon.  I just ordered one to try
> out.  10 bucks plus shipping:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Network-Output-Manual-Sharing-Switch/dp/B00AUB3SSA/

This is a little box that has 4 pushbutton switches on the front that 
select one of four one RJ-45 connectors.  I received the unit a few days 
ago and finally got around to trying it.  It is quite small - about 4.7 
x 3.3 x 1.1 inches (11.9 x 8.4 x 2.8 cm).

I have it connected with short Ethernet LAN cables to three sensors: 
200W HF, 2000W HF and VHF.  The fourth position is "off".  It makes it 
quick and easy to select and de-select sensors for my testing.  The P3 
TX monitor automatically senses which type of sensor is connected and 
changes scale factors and calibration values as required.

I took it apart to examine the innards.  Each of the four pushbuttons is 
ganged to two 4PST switches, so all 8 lines of the RJ-45 connectors are 
switched.  It appears well-constructed with a good-quality PC board. 
The chassis is thin sheet metal, but perfectly adequate for the purpose. 
  One odd feature is that the pushbuttons are labeled D through A, left 
to right.  They did that so the connectors on the rear panel come out in 
the more-logical A-D order.

By the way, it should also work fine with a W2 if you want to be able to 
use more than two sensors.

Alan N1AL
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug  2 07:10:09 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 06:10:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <55BDFA91.8040503@blomand.net>

To me it looks like the normal oxidation process that occurs due to 
reaction between silver plating on the connector and oxygen in the air.  
The dark color is silver oxide.  {Some of you chemists can better 
explain this effect.}

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/2/2015 12:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344 
>
>
> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the 
> corrosion inside the socket.
>
> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the 
> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>
> On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that the
>> TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to have the
>> center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an intermittent
>> problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times possible (been
>> there, done that).
>>
>> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those
>> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again. Note that
>> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are
>> fully seated.
>>
>> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.
>>
>> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did  :>)
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 07:36:10 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <55BE00AA.2080405@embarqmail.com>

That looks like silver oxide to me.  It is conductive, so should not 
pose a problem.

On 8/2/2015 1:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344 
>
>
> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the 
> corrosion inside the socket.
>


From drewko1 at verizon.net  Sun Aug  2 08:59:06 2015
From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 08:59:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <55BE141A.7030709@verizon.net>

It's possible you may have environmental issues going on (google 
'chinese drywall'). Check wiring of light switches & outlets, and copper 
tubing in plumbing and a/c units for corrosion.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/02/15 01:06, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>
>
> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion
> inside the socket.
>
> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the
> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>

From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug  2 09:56:53 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 06:56:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BE141A.7030709@verizon.net>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net><CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t
	+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com><55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<55BE141A.7030709@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <55BE21A5.70408@triconet.org>

I know you guys who responded are trying to be helpful but please....

Look at another photo in the series:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2119748590

If all of these dire environmental things are going on in my shack, how come the 
connectors at the other end of the cable are free of corrosion?

This was defective hardware, pure and simple, which Elecraft replaced.



On 8/2/2015 5:59 AM, drewko wrote:
> It's possible you may have environmental issues going on (google 'chinese 
> drywall'). Check wiring of light switches & outlets, and copper tubing in 
> plumbing and a/c units for corrosion.
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
> On 08/02/15 01:06, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>
>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344 
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion
>> inside the socket.
>>
>> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the
>> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>>
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug  2 09:59:50 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 06:59:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BE00AA.2080405@embarqmail.com>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net><CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t
	+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com><55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<55BE00AA.2080405@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE2256.40407@triconet.org>

Yeah well... the reason I found it was because I was looking for an intermittent 
problem.

I found it.




On 8/2/2015 4:36 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> That looks like silver oxide to me.  It is conductive, so should not pose a 
> problem.
>
> On 8/2/2015 1:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>
>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344 
>>
>>
>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion 
>> inside the socket.
>>
>
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug  2 10:12:38 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <000601d0cce6$71c6c220$55544660$@net>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com><55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<000601d0cce6$71c6c220$55544660$@net>
Message-ID: <55BE2556.8060603@triconet.org>

No, that's the old K3. The factory-built K3S is a different story. It seems as 
if Elecraft drop ships all of my stuff to Joe Btfsplk and then he delivers it to 
me:-(

Tell you about it at the next SADXA meeting.

Wes  N7WS

On 8/1/2015 10:45 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> What do they make those things out of ??
> Is that your new K3S ??
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Aug  2 10:34:21 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:34:21 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>

Hi all,

I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not 
that I want to, but because I have to.

When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back again. 
It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very 
weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which is 
a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro 
commands of course).

It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's 
seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in 
diversity :-)
The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch 
the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be 
enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)

73
Arie PA3A




From kk5na at kk5na.com  Sun Aug  2 10:36:44 2015
From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:36:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal DSP Filter / Clock
Message-ID: <000f01d0cd30$a7cf9d70$f76ed850$@kk5na.com>

 

I have a KDSP2 module for the K2 from an Estate .

 

Did not build it and have not tested it.it looks completed, needs coin
battery.

 

Kit is $259.95, I will ship it to continental U.S. for $ 179.00 and  will
need more shipping cost for DX.

 

 

-- 

73 Joe KK5NA

 


From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug  2 10:56:58 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BE00AA.2080405@embarqmail.com>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net><CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t
	+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com><55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<55BE00AA.2080405@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE2FBA.5080905@triconet.org>

See:  http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf


On 8/2/2015 4:36 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> That looks like silver oxide to me.  It is conductive, so should not pose a 
> problem.
>


From kenk3iu at cox.net  Sun Aug  2 11:13:53 2015
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [SOLD]
In-Reply-To: <zZ1q1q00345oxQM01Z1rec>
References: <yZTy1q00P45oxQM01ZTzhd> <zZ1q1q00345oxQM01Z1rec>
Message-ID: <55BE33B1.2060603@cox.net>

SOLD....

On 8/1/2015 5:00 PM, Ken K3IU wrote:
> Looks like I may have had too high expectations regarding 
> the asking price.
>
> Price now reduced to $75 delivered via USPS .
>
> 73,
> Ken K3IU
> Portsmouth RI
> Kenk3iu at cox.net
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On 7/30/2015 5:26 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
>> I have purchased the KXV3B and now have a PR6 external 
>> preamp excess to my needs. $100 USPS Priority Mail 
>> delivered in US. Please respond direct.
>>
>> 73,
>> Ken Wagner K3IU
>> Portsmouth, RI
>> kenk3iu @ cox.net
>>
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Aug  2 11:23:13 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:23:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFOs - usage?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22131.1438524773.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D1E38EDD.116D6%edauer@law.du.edu>

There may be another way to do what I used Link for as well; but FWIW:


Chasing DX, I often operate split (with the sub-receiver) and, when split,
I have the audio set for RX frequency in the left ear and TX frequency in
the right.  However, when prowling the band I find the different audio
streams distracting.   Link allows hearing the same frequency in both
ears.  When the pounce is ready, having independent audio streams
(unlinking) is useful for locating the TX offset and working into the
pileup.

Ted, KN1CBR

 
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:29:43 -0700
>From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
>Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>Message-ID: <83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F at elecraft.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>You don't need to use linked VFOs for this purpose. If you've set up a
>repeater offset on the current band, and have selected +/- rather than
>simplex (using the ALT switch in FM mode), then transmit will
>automatically be offset that amount from VFO A no matter where you tune
>in the band. 
>
>For this reason, you don't need to use VFO B at all when using FM and
>repeaters with the K3, K3S, or KX3. Hence no need to use VFO linking,
>SPLIT mode, etc.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR


From drewko1 at verizon.net  Sun Aug  2 11:59:10 2015
From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BE21A5.70408@triconet.org>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net><CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t
	+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com><55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<55BE141A.7030709@verizon.net> <55BE21A5.70408@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <55BE3E4E.3000704@verizon.net>

Well, you might have mentioned those little details to begin with, right?

 From the original photo, which perhaps was over-sharpened, all of the 
metal parts look like they are in some state of corrosion.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/02/15 09:56, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I know you guys who responded are trying to be helpful but please....
>
> Look at another photo in the series:
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2119748590
>
>
> If all of these dire environmental things are going on in my shack, how
> come the connectors at the other end of the cable are free of corrosion?
>
> This was defective hardware, pure and simple, which Elecraft replaced.
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2015 5:59 AM, drewko wrote:
>> It's possible you may have environmental issues going on (google
>> 'chinese drywall'). Check wiring of light switches & outlets, and
>> copper tubing in plumbing and a/c units for corrosion.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/02/15 01:06, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>>
>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the corrosion
>>> inside the socket.
>>>
>>> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the
>>> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>>>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Aug  2 12:34:26 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:34:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <55BE4692.6000308@coho.net>

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS
-

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug  2 12:41:16 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55BE482C.7040102@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,8/1/2015 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> First purchase:
>
> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
> P3-K Panadapter.
> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter

That's a REAL good start.  Depending on your antennas, you may need a 
tuner. If so, I would do that before the P3. If your antennas are all 
resonant, and if you never plan to take the radio on Field Day, you 
won't need a tuner. If you're planning to add the KPA500, you'll want 
the KAT500. And, of course, if you already have a tuner, you can use it.

73, Jim K9YC

From dmb at lightstream.net  Sun Aug  2 07:52:29 2015
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <63804.71.74.118.201.1438516349.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Arie,

Haven't drawn this out, but couldn't you accomplish your headphone audio
routing requirement via a simple outboard switch or pair of switches
mounted in a small box?

73, Dale
WA8SRA


> Hi all,
>
> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not
> that I want to, but because I have to.
>
> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back again.
> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very
> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which is
> a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
> commands of course).
>
> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's
> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in
> diversity :-)
> The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch
> the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be
> enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A



From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 13:06:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:06:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>

Arie,

When in diversity, normally both the SubRX and the Main RX are 
controlled by VFO A.
You must be in SPLIT to do what you are doing.  Is that true?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 10:34 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, 
> not that I want to, but because I have to.
>
> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back 
> again. It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of 
> very weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which 
> is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro 
> commands of course).
>


From kt5d at charter.net  Sun Aug  2 13:10:33 2015
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:10:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
Message-ID: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB@charter.net>

Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying the inactive port but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal. Running latest firmware on the KX3. 

Any ideas?



Sent from my iPad

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun Aug  2 13:30:57 2015
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:30:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22131.1438524773.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.22131.1438524773.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55BE53D1.70905@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run, but during 
that contest it occurred to me I have come to take the K3's performance 
in contesting for granted.  Sure Elecraft got my money, but I have spent 
a lot more on things that either fell apart quickly or worked like crap.

The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while squeezed into 
tight little 300Hz windows between other stations with ease.  I worked 
the 10 hours with zero issues including it's integration to N1MM, and on 
several occasions I was amazed by how closely I could work to nearby 
superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking. I mention this 
because I know that station runs several K3s as well, and there was ZERO 
splatter or clicking.  Now if all manufacturers could make their 
transmit spectra as clean, imagine how much more fun contesting would be...

So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for making the K3 
such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good value.  I'm not a fanboy, 
just a satisfied owner.

Howie - WA4PSC

From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sun Aug  2 13:38:31 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:38:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
In-Reply-To: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB@charter.net>
References: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB@charter.net>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F04688424C9@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Fire up the KXPA100 Utility and check the Antenna configuration page.  In that page you can choose to allocate different bands to different antenna ports.  For those with no antennas on ANT2, say, it is a good strategy to inactivate all bands for ANT2 to avoid selecting that accidently and transmitting into an open.  You might have that situation.
Cheers and 73,
Fred
KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Gee
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:11 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
> 
> Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the
> KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying the
> inactive port but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal.
> Running latest firmware on the KX3.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 13:49:37 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 10:49:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>

I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in 
antenna tuner as a high priority.

Even if your current antennas are resonant on all 
bands, there are portable ops and other situations 
where you might want to try another antenna.

The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable 
and well integrated into the rig's operation.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/1/15 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Looking for peer review. The setup has changed a bit
>
>   
>
>   
>
> First purchase:
>
> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
>
> P3-K Panadapter.
>
> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
>
> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Second purchase
>
> KPA500-K or Sub Receiver.. or ?
>
>   
>
> I'm getting lots of advice and just trying to figure out how I'll operate.
> Apparently it's easier to find the pileups with the pan adapter than the sub
> receiver.. J
>
>   
>
>


From pfizenmayer at q.com  Sun Aug  2 14:12:04 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:12:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <204FC810CE614D83936F19235774F096@HANKPC>

AND - with the tuner  you get a second SO239 antenna port - from front 
K3/K3S
panel switch.

May sound trivial - but eliminates one more "accessory" hanging on the K3 .
AND great place to connect  a dummy load for quick checks.

K7HP

----- 
From: Phil Wheeler
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:49 AM
To: Jerry Moore ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase

I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in
antenna tuner as a high priority.

Even if your current antennas are resonant on all
bands, there are portable ops and other situations
where you might want to try another antenna.

The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable
and well integrated into the rig's operation.

73, Phil W7OX


From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Sun Aug  2 14:14:22 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
In-Reply-To: <55BE53D1.70905@mebtel.net>
References: <mailman.22131.1438524773.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<55BE53D1.70905@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <55BE5DFE.1020509@sunflower.com>

Hey Howard; I second your comments. I too worked the NAQP contest for a 
bit. I found the P3 really helpful for finding contacts quickly. I also 
used the APF, audio peaking filter, in my K3 which often pulled in and 
kept out adjacent signals really well. At the same time, I had my 
vertical SteppIR attached to Ant 1 and the SUB-RX  in diversity and 
twined with the A VFO in the K3 attached to my AUX input that had a 
20-meter beverage attached to it. The noise level was reduced ( I live 
near a shopping center) from S=2.5 to just below S=0 with the addition 
of the Beverage and running diversity. Great equipment. If you'd like a 
copy of my writeup on my single-wavelength 20 meter beverage and the 3:1 
matching trifilar ferrite transformer, just drop me an email.

73, Phil, W0XI
aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com

> Howard Hoyt <mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net>
> Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:30 PM
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run, but during 
> that contest it occurred to me I have come to take the K3's 
> performance in contesting for granted.  Sure Elecraft got my money, 
> but I have spent a lot more on things that either fell apart quickly 
> or worked like crap.
>
> The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while squeezed into 
> tight little 300Hz windows between other stations with ease.  I worked 
> the 10 hours with zero issues including it's integration to N1MM, and 
> on several occasions I was amazed by how closely I could work to 
> nearby superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking. I mention 
> this because I know that station runs several K3s as well, and there 
> was ZERO splatter or clicking.  Now if all manufacturers could make 
> their transmit spectra as clean, imagine how much more fun contesting 
> would be...
>
> So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for making the 
> K3 such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good value.  I'm not a 
> fanboy, just a satisfied owner.
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  2 14:21:19 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
In-Reply-To: <55BDFA91.8040503@blomand.net>
References: <20150801151404.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.290c149dc6.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>	<CANckpc3aFgH89_p_7hXh5Vb_5t+cRjK3V0dyfN0wnT8aZsOmYg@mail.gmail.com>	<55BDA544.9050708@triconet.org>
	<55BDFA91.8040503@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <003601d0cd50$07e3ed00$17abc700$@earthlink.net>

Bob, I wouldn't be too quick to call it silver oxide. Silver chloride and
silver sulfide are more common than silver oxide and all are black and
conductive. One way to tell is silver oxide is removed with heat so a blast
with the heat gun (300C) will make it disappear.  (See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide)

73;
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 4:10 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)

To me it looks like the normal oxidation process that occurs due to reaction
between silver plating on the connector and oxygen in the air.  
The dark color is silver oxide.  {Some of you chemists can better explain
this effect.}

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/2/2015 12:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lig
> htbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>
>
> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the 
> corrosion inside the socket.
>
> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the 
> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>
> On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that 
>> the TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to have 
>> the center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an 
>> intermittent problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times 
>> possible (been there, done that).
>>
>> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those 
>> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again. Note that 
>> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are 
>> fully seated.
>>
>> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.
>>
>> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did  :>)
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>>
>
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From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:28:39 2015
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron Scott)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
Message-ID: <CADENs2-GRSBDrFcuKuNiSnoyofD2g-wGwP06gUND6MLkTmMLnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune button the display
shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the Alignment tool I go to adjust L1 and
L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not change. I can't
figure it out.

-- 
'73
Aaron Scott
K5ATG <http://k5atg.blogspot.com/>

From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:31:06 2015
From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould, K8WXA)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:31:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
Message-ID: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>

Greetings,

So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I also want a base rig that is always ready to be used at home. 

I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2 bands of operation) 

I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna tuner and 100W amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.

The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable. 

Am I even thinking straight?

72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA

Sent from my iPhone

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:37:36 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
In-Reply-To: <CADENs2-GRSBDrFcuKuNiSnoyofD2g-wGwP06gUND6MLkTmMLnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADENs2-GRSBDrFcuKuNiSnoyofD2g-wGwP06gUND6MLkTmMLnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE6370.2020704@embarqmail.com>

Aaron,

Can you peak the bandpass filter in receive?  Do that first.
Right now, you do not know if the problem is with the bandpass filter 
(L1 and L2) adjustment or whether you have another problem in transmit.
You may have to build the RF Probe (parts provided with your K2 kit) and 
do the Transmit Signal Tracing steps to find out where the source of the 
problem may be.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 2:28 PM, Aaron Scott wrote:
> Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune button the display
> shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the Alignment tool I go to adjust L1 and
> L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not change. I can't
> figure it out.
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Aug  2 14:41:29 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Atchison via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:41:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
Message-ID: <55BE6459.5090702@aol.com>

I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and I see no 
way to set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to a certain 
value on phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I correct?  Yes, 
I know I can turn it on and off manually.

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 15:18:23 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:18:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE6CFF.60707@socal.rr.com>

K3S will definitely be a better base rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/2/15 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I also want a base rig that is always ready to be used at home.
>
> I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2 bands of operation)
>
> I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna tuner and 100W amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.
>
> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
>
> Am I even thinking straight?
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug  2 15:19:45 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:19:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
>
> Am I even thinking straight?

Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW -- the 
KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.

73, Jim K9YC

From rjguidrysr at verizon.net  Sun Aug  2 15:21:37 2015
From: rjguidrysr at verizon.net (rjguidrysr)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:21:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <7rdde542xdkhj6066dmfgwq1.1438543292780@email.android.com>


    




Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 15:57:45 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:57:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
Message-ID: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>

Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in 24 total
check-ins:

 

N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3        7791

N6JW                    John      CA          K3           976

WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?              ? (we know Eric
checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his info)

W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433

KX6F                      John      TN          K3           7023

K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3           7976

K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3           1597

VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409         He also
checked in later on KX3 #1253

AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S         10090

NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3        1356

KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857

VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S         10007

W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016

KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3        1484

W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3           3139

W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3           1673

WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877

W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3           6623

WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3           8133

KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3           4882

K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650

K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3        7782

W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S         10018

KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281

 

One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3. John, N6JW
replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be used in either
transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf.

 

The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00 UTC. I'll be net
control from just outside Atlanta.

 

Everyone have a great week.

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 16:03:48 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:03:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
In-Reply-To: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>
References: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BE77A4.9030905@socal.rr.com>

Re:

"One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3."

I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.

Phil W7OX



On 8/2/15 12:57 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in 24 total
> check-ins:
>
>   
>
> N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3        7791
>
> N6JW                    John      CA          K3           976
>
> WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?              ? (we know Eric
> checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his info)
>
> W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433
>
> KX6F                      John      TN          K3           7023
>
> K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3           7976
>
> K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3           1597
>
> VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409         He also
> checked in later on KX3 #1253
>
> AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S         10090
>
> NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3        1356
>
> KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857
>
> VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S         10007
>
> W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016
>
> KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3        1484
>
> W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3           3139
>
> W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3           1673
>
> WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877
>
> W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3           6623
>
> WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3           8133
>
> KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3           4882
>
> K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650
>
> K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3        7782
>
> W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S         10018
>
> KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281
>
>   
>
> One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3. John, N6JW
> replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be used in either
> transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf.
>
>   
>
> The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00 UTC. I'll be net
> control from just outside Atlanta.
>
>   
>
> Everyone have a great week.
>
>   
>
> 73 de,
>
>   
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468


From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Aug  2 14:13:29 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
In-Reply-To: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB@charter.net>
References: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB@charter.net>
Message-ID: <016001d0cd4e$f3cfcf10$db6f6d30$@elecraft.com>

Could one of the KXPA100 antenna ports be disabled on that band?

The KXPA Utility, configuration menu, Edit Configuration lets you enable or
disable ANT1 or ANT2  by band.  

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gee
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:11 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3

Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the KXPA100.
The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying the inactive port
but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal. Running latest
firmware on the KX3. 

Any ideas?



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From davidahrendts at me.com  Sun Aug  2 17:41:38 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
Message-ID: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>

Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S? 



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 17:44:52 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
In-Reply-To: <55BE77A4.9030905@socal.rr.com>
References: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>
	<55BE77A4.9030905@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55BE8F54.6040207@embarqmail.com>

Phil and all,

The answer it YES.  The current KRX3 will come with the new synth board, 
so yes one would either have to buy a new synth board for the K3 or ask 
here if anyone would like to send their old synth board to him to use 
with the new KRX3.  There are plenty of old synth boards around (I have 
2 of them available for postage).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 4:03 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Re:
>
> "One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3."
>
> I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 17:47:19 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
References: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
Message-ID: <55BE8FE7.6080207@embarqmail.com>

David,

Greater temperature stability.  If you are not operating data modes like 
JT65 which has long term transmit times, and your shack is at a 
reasonable stable temperature, one should be as good as the other.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 17:51:22 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
References: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc01_3Bpcang6e4M2w4+Q=XA4L5m0pRCzzmr+g8xYXgn1A@mail.gmail.com>

If it bothers you if your K3S drift just a tiny bit warming up, or it
bothers you if your 10MHz WWV is not absolutely dead on all the time,
or if you are operating 6 and 2 meters, you fix that with the
KTCXO3-1, or get the stuff to sync your K3S with GPS derived 10 MHz.

>From quite some number of posts, in the end a lot of people want their
K3 absolutely dead on all the time. It just bothers them if it's not.

Operating advantage? None on the lower bands. VHF frequencies are
another matter.

I bought the KTCXO3-1 because I previously finally installed the
equivalent in my FT1000MP.

In the end, it's druthers or a requirement for a specialized operating mode.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug  2 18:26:58 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?
Message-ID: <EC7E1727-DA95-42E3-8DFB-EB61A269B5F9@carolinaheli.com>

When will the new K3S book be available?

Anyone know?

Tnx in Advance
Jer/AE4PB

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug  2 18:31:06 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
In-Reply-To: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
References: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1@me.com>
Message-ID: <55BE9A2A.9000304@blomand.net>

On 10M {28 MHz} a 0.5 PPM can have +/-14 Hz error while a 5 PPM can have 
a +/- 140 Hz error.  It is the frequency in MHz  x the PPM which is 
Parts Per Million.

My article scheduled for publication in September QST discusses the 
frequency read out of today's radios and their likely inaccuracy.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/2/2015 4:41 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug  2 18:43:11 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:43:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22234.1438552328.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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I agree with the tuner and plan on the external tuner because the PA 500 is in future plans. The focus will be 40/30/20m so I have time to save up.  I'm planning to experiment with a few RX only antennas and need to make a 30m dipole so I have a bit to do over the next month. 

On August 2, 2015 5:52:08 PM EDT, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
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>   1. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
>   2. FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal DSP Filter / Clock (kk5na)
>   3. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (Wes (N7WS))
>   4. Re: [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [SOLD] (Ken K3IU)
>   5. Linked VFOs - usage? (Dauer, Edward)
>   6. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (drewko)
>   7. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevinr at coho.net)
>   8. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Jim Brown)
>   9. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (dmb at lightstream.net)
>  10. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (Don Wilhelm)
>  11. KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Gee)
>  12. K3 (Howard Hoyt)
>  13. Re: KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Cady, Fred)
>  14. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Phil Wheeler)
>  15. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Hank P)
>  16. Re: K3 (Phil Anderson)
>  17. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (Fred Townsend)
>  18. K2 40-Meter Alignment (Aaron Scott)
>  19. Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Joshua Gould, K8WXA)
>  20. Re: K2 40-Meter Alignment (Don Wilhelm)
>  21. K3 VOX by mode only? (Dan Atchison via Elecraft)
>  22. Re: Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Phil Wheeler)
>  23. Re: Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Jim Brown)
>  24. (no subject) (rjguidrysr)
>  25. SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Ian - Ham)
>  26. Re: SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Phil Wheeler)
>  27. Re: KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Dick Dievendorff)
>  28. High Stability Reference Oscillator (David Ahrendts)
>  29. Re: SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Don Wilhelm)
>  30. Re: High Stability Reference Oscillator (Don Wilhelm)
>  31. Re: High Stability Reference Oscillator (Guy Olinger K2AV)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:34:21 +0200
>From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>Message-ID: <55BE2A6D.2060301 at xs4all.nl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Hi all,
>
>I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not
>
>that I want to, but because I have to.
>
>When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
>Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back
>again. 
>It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very 
>weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which
>is 
>a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro 
>commands of course).
>
>It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's 
>seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in
>
>diversity :-)
>The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could
>switch 
>the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be 
>enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>
>73
>Arie PA3A
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:36:44 -0500
>From: "kk5na" <kk5na at kk5na.com>
>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal DSP Filter /
>	Clock
>Message-ID: <000f01d0cd30$a7cf9d70$f76ed850$@kk5na.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> 
>
>I have a KDSP2 module for the K2 from an Estate .
>
> 
>
>Did not build it and have not tested it.it looks completed, needs coin
>battery.
>
> 
>
>Kit is $259.95, I will ship it to continental U.S. for $ 179.00 and 
>will
>need more shipping cost for DX.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>-- 
>
>73 Joe KK5NA
>
> 
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:56:58 -0700
>From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
>Message-ID: <55BE2FBA.5080905 at triconet.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>See:  http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf
>
>
>On 8/2/2015 4:36 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> That looks like silver oxide to me.  It is conductive, so should not
>pose a 
>> problem.
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:53 -0400
>From: Ken K3IU <kenk3iu at cox.net>
>To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [SOLD]
>Message-ID: <55BE33B1.2060603 at cox.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>SOLD....
>
>On 8/1/2015 5:00 PM, Ken K3IU wrote:
>> Looks like I may have had too high expectations regarding 
>> the asking price.
>>
>> Price now reduced to $75 delivered via USPS .
>>
>> 73,
>> Ken K3IU
>> Portsmouth RI
>> Kenk3iu at cox.net
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> On 7/30/2015 5:26 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
>>> I have purchased the KXV3B and now have a PR6 external 
>>> preamp excess to my needs. $100 USPS Priority Mail 
>>> delivered in US. Please respond direct.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ken Wagner K3IU
>>> Portsmouth, RI
>>> kenk3iu @ cox.net
>>>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:23:13 +0000
>From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFOs - usage?
>Message-ID: <D1E38EDD.116D6%edauer at law.du.edu>
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>There may be another way to do what I used Link for as well; but FWIW:
>
>
>Chasing DX, I often operate split (with the sub-receiver) and, when
>split,
>I have the audio set for RX frequency in the left ear and TX frequency
>in
>the right.  However, when prowling the band I find the different audio
>streams distracting.   Link allows hearing the same frequency in both
>ears.  When the pounce is ready, having independent audio streams
>(unlinking) is useful for locating the TX offset and working into the
>pileup.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
>
> 
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 5
>>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:29:43 -0700
>>From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>>To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
>>Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>>Message-ID: <83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F at elecraft.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>You don't need to use linked VFOs for this purpose. If you've set up a
>>repeater offset on the current band, and have selected +/- rather than
>>simplex (using the ALT switch in FM mode), then transmit will
>>automatically be offset that amount from VFO A no matter where you
>tune
>>in the band. 
>>
>>For this reason, you don't need to use VFO B at all when using FM and
>>repeaters with the K3, K3S, or KX3. Hence no need to use VFO linking,
>>SPLIT mode, etc.
>>
>>73,
>>Wayne
>>N6KR
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:59:10 -0400
>From: drewko <drewko1 at verizon.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
>Message-ID: <55BE3E4E.3000704 at verizon.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Well, you might have mentioned those little details to begin with,
>right?
>
> From the original photo, which perhaps was over-sharpened, all of the 
>metal parts look like they are in some state of corrosion.
>
>73,
>Drew
>AF2Z
>
>
>
>On 08/02/15 09:56, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> I know you guys who responded are trying to be helpful but please....
>>
>> Look at another photo in the series:
>>
>>
>https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2119748590
>>
>>
>> If all of these dire environmental things are going on in my shack,
>how
>> come the connectors at the other end of the cable are free of
>corrosion?
>>
>> This was defective hardware, pure and simple, which Elecraft
>replaced.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/2/2015 5:59 AM, drewko wrote:
>>> It's possible you may have environmental issues going on (google
>>> 'chinese drywall'). Check wiring of light switches & outlets, and
>>> copper tubing in plumbing and a/c units for corrosion.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/02/15 01:06, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>>>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>>>
>>>>
>https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the
>corrosion
>>>> inside the socket.
>>>>
>>>> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the
>>>> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>>>>
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>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:34:26 -0700
>From: "kevinr at coho.net" <kevinr at coho.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
>Message-ID: <55BE4692.6000308 at coho.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>Good Morning,
>Please join us this afternoon and evening.
>
>14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
>  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)
>
>     73,
>         Kevin. KD5ONS
>-
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:41:16 -0700
>From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
>Message-ID: <55BE482C.7040102 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>On Sat,8/1/2015 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> First purchase:
>>
>> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
>> P3-K Panadapter.
>> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
>> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
>
>That's a REAL good start.  Depending on your antennas, you may need a 
>tuner. If so, I would do that before the P3. If your antennas are all 
>resonant, and if you never plan to take the radio on Field Day, you 
>won't need a tuner. If you're planning to add the KPA500, you'll want 
>the KAT500. And, of course, if you already have a tuner, you can use
>it.
>
>73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "dmb at lightstream.net" <dmb at lightstream.net>
>To: "Arie Kleingeld PA3A" <pa3a at xs4all.nl>
>Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>Message-ID:
>	<63804.71.74.118.201.1438516349.squirrel at mail.expedient.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Arie,
>
>Haven't drawn this out, but couldn't you accomplish your headphone
>audio
>routing requirement via a simple outboard switch or pair of switches
>mounted in a small box?
>
>73, Dale
>WA8SRA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity,
>not
>> that I want to, but because I have to.
>>
>> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to
>A-b.
>> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back
>again.
>> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very
>> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which
>is
>> a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
>> commands of course).
>>
>> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's
>> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching
>in
>> diversity :-)
>> The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could
>switch
>> the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be
>> enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>>
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:06:07 -0400
>From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>To: Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl>,	"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>Message-ID: <55BE4DFF.8030403 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Arie,
>
>When in diversity, normally both the SubRX and the Main RX are 
>controlled by VFO A.
>You must be in SPLIT to do what you are doing.  Is that true?
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/2/2015 10:34 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, 
>> not that I want to, but because I have to.
>>
>> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to
>A-b.
>> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back 
>> again. It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because
>of 
>> very weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which
>
>> is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
>
>> commands of course).
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:10:33 -0400
>From: Gee <kt5d at charter.net>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
>Message-ID: <AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB at charter.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the
>KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying the
>inactive port but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal.
>Running latest firmware on the KX3. 
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:30:57 -0400
>From: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3
>Message-ID: <55BE53D1.70905 at mebtel.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Hi all,
>
>Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run, but during 
>that contest it occurred to me I have come to take the K3's performance
>
>in contesting for granted.  Sure Elecraft got my money, but I have
>spent 
>a lot more on things that either fell apart quickly or worked like
>crap.
>
>The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while squeezed into 
>tight little 300Hz windows between other stations with ease.  I worked 
>the 10 hours with zero issues including it's integration to N1MM, and
>on 
>several occasions I was amazed by how closely I could work to nearby 
>superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking. I mention this 
>because I know that station runs several K3s as well, and there was
>ZERO 
>splatter or clicking.  Now if all manufacturers could make their 
>transmit spectra as clean, imagine how much more fun contesting would
>be...
>
>So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for making the K3
>
>such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good value.  I'm not a
>fanboy, 
>just a satisfied owner.
>
>Howie - WA4PSC
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:38:31 -0600
>From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at ece.montana.edu>
>To: Gee <kt5d at charter.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
>Message-ID:
>	<31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F04688424C9 at coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Fire up the KXPA100 Utility and check the Antenna configuration page. 
>In that page you can choose to allocate different bands to different
>antenna ports.  For those with no antennas on ANT2, say, it is a good
>strategy to inactivate all bands for ANT2 to avoid selecting that
>accidently and transmitting into an open.  You might have that
>situation.
>Cheers and 73,
>Fred
>KE7X
>
>Author of:
>"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
>"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
>"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
>Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at
>www.elecraft.com
>KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
>http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide
>
>KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
>http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners
>
>"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the
>KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.
>
>"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S
>upgrade parts are works in progress.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Gee
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:11 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
>> 
>> Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the
>> KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying
>the
>> inactive port but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal.
>> Running latest firmware on the KX3.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>
>Message: 14
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 10:49:37 -0700
>From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
>To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
>Message-ID: <55BE5831.7000906 at socal.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in 
>antenna tuner as a high priority.
>
>Even if your current antennas are resonant on all 
>bands, there are portable ops and other situations 
>where you might want to try another antenna.
>
>The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable 
>and well integrated into the rig's operation.
>
>73, Phil W7OX
>
>On 8/1/15 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> Looking for peer review. The setup has changed a bit
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>> First purchase:
>>
>> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
>>
>> P3-K Panadapter.
>>
>> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
>>
>> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>> Second purchase
>>
>> KPA500-K or Sub Receiver.. or ?
>>
>>   
>>
>> I'm getting lots of advice and just trying to figure out how I'll
>operate.
>> Apparently it's easier to find the pileups with the pan adapter than
>the sub
>> receiver.. J
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 15
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:12:04 -0700
>From: "Hank P" <pfizenmayer at q.com>
>To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
>Message-ID: <204FC810CE614D83936F19235774F096 at HANKPC>
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>
>AND - with the tuner  you get a second SO239 antenna port - from front 
>K3/K3S
>panel switch.
>
>May sound trivial - but eliminates one more "accessory" hanging on the
>K3 .
>AND great place to connect  a dummy load for quick checks.
>
>K7HP
>
>----- 
>From: Phil Wheeler
>Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:49 AM
>To: Jerry Moore ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
>
>I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in
>antenna tuner as a high priority.
>
>Even if your current antennas are resonant on all
>bands, there are portable ops and other situations
>where you might want to try another antenna.
>
>The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable
>and well integrated into the rig's operation.
>
>73, Phil W7OX
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 16
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:14:22 -0500
>From: Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
>To: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
>Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3
>Message-ID: <55BE5DFE.1020509 at sunflower.com>
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>
>Hey Howard; I second your comments. I too worked the NAQP contest for a
>
>bit. I found the P3 really helpful for finding contacts quickly. I also
>
>used the APF, audio peaking filter, in my K3 which often pulled in and 
>kept out adjacent signals really well. At the same time, I had my 
>vertical SteppIR attached to Ant 1 and the SUB-RX  in diversity and 
>twined with the A VFO in the K3 attached to my AUX input that had a 
>20-meter beverage attached to it. The noise level was reduced ( I live 
>near a shopping center) from S=2.5 to just below S=0 with the addition 
>of the Beverage and running diversity. Great equipment. If you'd like a
>
>copy of my writeup on my single-wavelength 20 meter beverage and the
>3:1 
>matching trifilar ferrite transformer, just drop me an email.
>
>73, Phil, W0XI
>aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com
>
>> Howard Hoyt <mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net>
>> Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:30 PM
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run, but during 
>> that contest it occurred to me I have come to take the K3's 
>> performance in contesting for granted.  Sure Elecraft got my money, 
>> but I have spent a lot more on things that either fell apart quickly 
>> or worked like crap.
>>
>> The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while squeezed into 
>> tight little 300Hz windows between other stations with ease.  I
>worked 
>> the 10 hours with zero issues including it's integration to N1MM, and
>
>> on several occasions I was amazed by how closely I could work to 
>> nearby superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking. I mention 
>> this because I know that station runs several K3s as well, and there 
>> was ZERO splatter or clicking.  Now if all manufacturers could make 
>> their transmit spectra as clean, imagine how much more fun contesting
>
>> would be...
>>
>> So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for making the 
>> K3 such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good value.  I'm not a 
>> fanboy, just a satisfied owner.
>>
>> Howie - WA4PSC
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>Message: 17
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:21:19 -0700
>From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
>To: "'Bob McGraw - K4TAX'" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>,
>	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
>Message-ID: <003601d0cd50$07e3ed00$17abc700$@earthlink.net>
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>
>Bob, I wouldn't be too quick to call it silver oxide. Silver chloride
>and
>silver sulfide are more common than silver oxide and all are black and
>conductive. One way to tell is silver oxide is removed with heat so a
>blast
>with the heat gun (300C) will make it disappear.  (See
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide)
>
>73;
>Fred, AE6QL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Bob
>McGraw - K4TAX
>Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 4:10 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now)
>
>To me it looks like the normal oxidation process that occurs due to
>reaction
>between silver plating on the connector and oxygen in the air.  
>The dark color is silver oxide.  {Some of you chemists can better
>explain
>this effect.}
>
>73 Bob, K4TAX
>
>On 8/2/2015 12:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>
>>
>https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photostream/lig
>> htbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>>
>>
>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show the 
>> corrosion inside the socket.
>>
>> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH here the 
>> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>>
>> On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>>> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make sure that 
>>> the TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is possible to
>have 
>>> the center pin just BARELY making contact. This will cause an 
>>> intermittent problem to reappear at the most inconvenient times 
>>> possible (been there, done that).
>>>
>>> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one of those 
>>> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all again. Note
>that 
>>> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when they are 
>>> fully seated.
>>>
>>> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is sometimes useful.
>>>
>>> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad as I did 
>:>)
>>>
>>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>>
>>>
>>
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>Message: 18
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:28:39 -0500
>From: Aaron Scott <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
>Message-ID:
>	<CADENs2-GRSBDrFcuKuNiSnoyofD2g-wGwP06gUND6MLkTmMLnQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
>Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune button the
>display
>shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the Alignment tool I go to adjust L1
>and
>L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not change. I
>can't
>figure it out.
>
>-- 
>'73
>Aaron Scott
>K5ATG <http://k5atg.blogspot.com/>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 19
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:31:06 -0400
>From: "Joshua Gould, K8WXA" <jg.k8wxa at gmail.com>
>To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
>Message-ID: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367 at gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Greetings,
>
>So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I also want a
>base rig that is always ready to be used at home. 
>
>I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2 bands of
>operation) 
>
>I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna tuner and 100W
>amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.
>
>The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with
>the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having
>to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable. 
>
>Am I even thinking straight?
>
>72,
>Joshua Gould
>K8WXA
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 20
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:37:36 -0400
>From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>To: Aaron Scott <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
>Message-ID: <55BE6370.2020704 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Aaron,
>
>Can you peak the bandpass filter in receive?  Do that first.
>Right now, you do not know if the problem is with the bandpass filter 
>(L1 and L2) adjustment or whether you have another problem in transmit.
>You may have to build the RF Probe (parts provided with your K2 kit)
>and 
>do the Transmit Signal Tracing steps to find out where the source of
>the 
>problem may be.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/2/2015 2:28 PM, Aaron Scott wrote:
>> Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune button the
>display
>> shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the Alignment tool I go to adjust
>L1 and
>> L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not change. I
>can't
>> figure it out.
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 21
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:41:29 -0400
>From: Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
>Message-ID: <55BE6459.5090702 at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
>I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and I see no 
>way to set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to a certain 
>value on phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I correct?  Yes,
>
>I know I can turn it on and off manually.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 22
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:18:23 -0700
>From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
>Message-ID: <55BE6CFF.60707 at socal.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>K3S will definitely be a better base rig.
>
>73, Phil W7OX
>
>On 8/2/15 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I also want a
>base rig that is always ready to be used at home.
>>
>> I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2 bands of
>operation)
>>
>> I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna tuner and
>100W amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.
>>
>> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with
>the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having
>to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
>>
>> Am I even thinking straight?
>>
>> 72,
>> Joshua Gould
>> K8WXA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 23
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:19:45 -0700
>From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
>Message-ID: <55BE6D51.70902 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
>> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with
>the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having
>to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
>>
>> Am I even thinking straight?
>
>Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW -- the 
>KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.
>
>73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 24
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:21:37 -0700
>From: rjguidrysr <rjguidrysr at verizon.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
>Message-ID: <7rdde542xdkhj6066dmfgwq1.1438543292780 at email.android.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>    
>
>
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 25
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:57:45 -0400
>From: "Ian - Ham" <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>
>To: "'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
>Message-ID: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in 24 total
>check-ins:
>
> 
>
>N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3        7791
>
>N6JW                    John      CA          K3           976
>
>WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?              ? (we know
>Eric
>checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his info)
>
>W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433
>
>KX6F                      John      TN          K3           7023
>
>K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3           7976
>
>K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3           1597
>
>VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409         He
>also
>checked in later on KX3 #1253
>
>AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S         10090
>
>NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3        1356
>
>KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857
>
>VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S         10007
>
>W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016
>
>KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3        1484
>
>W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3           3139
>
>W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3           1673
>
>WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877
>
>W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3           6623
>
>WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3           8133
>
>KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3           4882
>
>K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650
>
>K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3        7782
>
>W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S         10018
>
>KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281
>
> 
>
>One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
>sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3. John,
>N6JW
>replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be used in either
>transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf.
>
> 
>
>The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00 UTC. I'll be
>net
>control from just outside Atlanta.
>
> 
>
>Everyone have a great week.
>
> 
>
>73 de,
>
> 
>
>--Ian
>
>Ian Kahn, KM4IK
>Roswell, GA  EM74ua
>km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 
>
>10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
>PODXS 070 #1962
>K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
> 
>
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>Message: 26
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:03:48 -0700
>From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
>Message-ID: <55BE77A4.9030905 at socal.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Re:
>
>"One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
>sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3."
>
>I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.
>
>Phil W7OX
>
>
>
>On 8/2/15 12:57 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
>> Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in 24 total
>> check-ins:
>>
>>   
>>
>> N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3        7791
>>
>> N6JW                    John      CA          K3           976
>>
>> WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?              ? (we
>know Eric
>> checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his info)
>>
>> W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433
>>
>> KX6F                      John      TN          K3           7023
>>
>> K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3           7976
>>
>> K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3           1597
>>
>> VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409        
>He also
>> checked in later on KX3 #1253
>>
>> AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S         10090
>>
>> NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3        1356
>>
>> KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857
>>
>> VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S         10007
>>
>> W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016
>>
>> KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3        1484
>>
>> W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3           3139
>>
>> W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3           1673
>>
>> WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877
>>
>> W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3           6623
>>
>> WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3           8133
>>
>> KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3           4882
>>
>> K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650
>>
>> K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3        7782
>>
>> W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S         10018
>>
>> KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281
>>
>>   
>>
>> One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if the
>> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3. John,
>N6JW
>> replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be used in
>either
>> transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
>> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf.
>>
>>   
>>
>> The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00 UTC. I'll be
>net
>> control from just outside Atlanta.
>>
>>   
>>
>> Everyone have a great week.
>>
>>   
>>
>> 73 de,
>>
>>   
>>
>> --Ian
>>
>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
>> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com>
>>
>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>>
>> PODXS 070 #1962
>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 27
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:29 -0700
>From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com>
>To: "'Gee'" <kt5d at charter.net>,	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
>Message-ID: <016001d0cd4e$f3cfcf10$db6f6d30$@elecraft.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Could one of the KXPA100 antenna ports be disabled on that band?
>
>The KXPA Utility, configuration menu, Edit Configuration lets you
>enable or
>disable ANT1 or ANT2  by band.  
>
>73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Gee
>Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:11 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
>
>Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports on the
>KXPA100.
>The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying the inactive
>port
>but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal. Running latest
>firmware on the KX3. 
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
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>Message: 28
>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:41:38 -0700
>From: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
>To: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
>Message-ID: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1 at me.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
>Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference
>oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc
>supplied with my lovely new K3S? 
>
>
>
>David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 29
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:44:52 -0400
>From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
>Message-ID: <55BE8F54.6040207 at embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Phil and all,
>
>The answer it YES.  The current KRX3 will come with the new synth
>board, 
>so yes one would either have to buy a new synth board for the K3 or ask
>
>here if anyone would like to send their old synth board to him to use 
>with the new KRX3.  There are plenty of old synth boards around (I have
>
>2 of them available for postage).
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/2/2015 4:03 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Re:
>>
>> "One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF, asked if
>the
>> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the K3."
>>
>> I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.
>>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 30
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:47:19 -0400
>From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
>To: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>,	Elecraft List
>	<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
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>David,
>
>Greater temperature stability.  If you are not operating data modes
>like 
>JT65 which has long term transmit times, and your shack is at a 
>reasonable stable temperature, one should be as good as the other.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 8/2/2015 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
>> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference
>oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc
>supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>>
>>
>>
>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 31
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:51:22 -0400
>From: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
>To: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
>Cc: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
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>If it bothers you if your K3S drift just a tiny bit warming up, or it
>bothers you if your 10MHz WWV is not absolutely dead on all the time,
>or if you are operating 6 and 2 meters, you fix that with the
>KTCXO3-1, or get the stuff to sync your K3S with GPS derived 10 MHz.
>
>>From quite some number of posts, in the end a lot of people want their
>K3 absolutely dead on all the time. It just bothers them if it's not.
>
>Operating advantage? None on the lower bands. VHF frequencies are
>another matter.
>
>I bought the KTCXO3-1 because I previously finally installed the
>equivalent in my FT1000MP.
>
>In the end, it's druthers or a requirement for a specialized operating
>mode.
>
>73, Guy K2AV
>
>On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
>wrote:
>> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM reference
>oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement 5 PPM ref osc
>supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>>
>>
>>
>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>>
>>
>>
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From F2CT at wanadoo.fr  Sun Aug  2 19:04:51 2015
From: F2CT at wanadoo.fr (F2CT)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 01:04:51 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 4
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Message-ID: <003601d0cd77$a35d08d0$ea171a70$@wanadoo.fr>

hello to all
I'm looking for a KPA500
thanks for your best offer

Cordiales 73
Guy F2CT
Always further outdistances
Always higher in frequency

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
   2. FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal DSP Filter /
Clock (kk5na)
   3. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (Wes
(N7WS))
   4. Re: [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [SOLD] (Ken K3IU)
   5. Linked VFOs - usage? (Dauer, Edward)
   6. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (drewko)
   7. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevinr at coho.net)
   8. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Jim Brown)
   9. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (dmb at lightstream.net)
  10. Re: Linked VFO's -- usage? (Don Wilhelm)
  11. KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Gee)
  12. K3 (Howard Hoyt)
  13. Re: KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Cady,
Fred)
  14. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Phil
Wheeler)
  15. Re: Based on feedback - Proposed purchase (Hank P)
  16. Re: K3 (Phil Anderson)
  17. Re: K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for now) (Fred
Townsend)
  18. K2 40-Meter Alignment (Aaron Scott)
  19. Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Joshua Gould,
K8WXA)
  20. Re: K2 40-Meter Alignment (Don Wilhelm)
  21. K3 VOX by mode only? (Dan Atchison via Elecraft)
  22. Re: Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Phil Wheeler)
  23. Re: Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S) (Jim Brown)
  24. (no subject) (rjguidrysr)
  25. SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Ian - Ham)
  26. Re: SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Phil Wheeler)
  27. Re: KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3 (Dick
Dievendorff)
  28. High Stability Reference Oscillator (David Ahrendts)
  29. Re: SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015 (Don Wilhelm)
  30. Re: High Stability Reference Oscillator (Don Wilhelm)
  31. Re: High Stability Reference Oscillator (Guy Olinger
K2AV)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:34:21 +0200
From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
Message-ID: <55BE2A6D.2060301 at xs4all.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Hi all,

I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in
diversity, not that I want to, but because I have to.

When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R
setting to A-b.
Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and
back again. 
It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because
of very weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other
ear.
This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity
mode, which is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All
done with computer macro commands of course).

It's probably not on the list for this to come in the
firmware. It's seems to be only Arie (me) that would
appreciate the audio switching in diversity :-) The K3 is a
very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch
the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that
would be enough. (Does not need to be from a front side
button)

73
Arie PA3A





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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:36:44 -0500
From: "kk5na" <kk5na at kk5na.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal
DSP Filter /
	Clock
Message-ID: <000f01d0cd30$a7cf9d70$f76ed850$@kk5na.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

 

I have a KDSP2 module for the K2 from an Estate .

 

Did not build it and have not tested it.it looks completed,
needs coin battery.

 

Kit is $259.95, I will ship it to continental U.S. for $
179.00 and  will need more shipping cost for DX.

 

 

-- 

73 Joe KK5NA

 



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:56:58 -0700
From: "Wes (N7WS)" <wes at triconet.org>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for
now)
Message-ID: <55BE2FBA.5080905 at triconet.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

See:  http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf


On 8/2/2015 4:36 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> That looks like silver oxide to me.  It is conductive, so
should not 
> pose a problem.
>



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:53 -0400
From: Ken K3IU <kenk3iu at cox.net>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PR6] 6 Meter Preamp For Sale [SOLD]
Message-ID: <55BE33B1.2060603 at cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

SOLD....

On 8/1/2015 5:00 PM, Ken K3IU wrote:
> Looks like I may have had too high expectations regarding
the asking 
> price.
>
> Price now reduced to $75 delivered via USPS .
>
> 73,
> Ken K3IU
> Portsmouth RI
> Kenk3iu at cox.net
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On 7/30/2015 5:26 AM, Ken K3IU wrote:
>> I have purchased the KXV3B and now have a PR6 external
preamp excess 
>> to my needs. $100 USPS Priority Mail delivered in US.
Please respond 
>> direct.
>>
>> 73,
>> Ken Wagner K3IU
>> Portsmouth, RI
>> kenk3iu @ cox.net
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:23:13 +0000
From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFOs - usage?
Message-ID: <D1E38EDD.116D6%edauer at law.du.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

There may be another way to do what I used Link for as well;
but FWIW:


Chasing DX, I often operate split (with the sub-receiver)
and, when split, I have the audio set for RX frequency in
the left ear and TX frequency in the right.  However, when
prowling the band I find the different audio
streams distracting.   Link allows hearing the same
frequency in both
ears.  When the pounce is ready, having independent audio
streams
(unlinking) is useful for locating the TX offset and working
into the pileup.

Ted, KN1CBR

 
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:29:43 -0700
>From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
>Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
>Message-ID:
<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F at elecraft.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>You don't need to use linked VFOs for this purpose. If
you've set up a 
>repeater offset on the current band, and have selected +/-
rather than 
>simplex (using the ALT switch in FM mode), then transmit
will 
>automatically be offset that amount from VFO A no matter
where you tune 
>in the band.
>
>For this reason, you don't need to use VFO B at all when
using FM and 
>repeaters with the K3, K3S, or KX3. Hence no need to use
VFO linking, 
>SPLIT mode, etc.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR



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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:59:10 -0400
From: drewko <drewko1 at verizon.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for
now)
Message-ID: <55BE3E4E.3000704 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Well, you might have mentioned those little details to begin
with, right?

 From the original photo, which perhaps was over-sharpened,
all of the metal parts look like they are in some state of
corrosion.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 08/02/15 09:56, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> I know you guys who responded are trying to be helpful but
please....
>
> Look at another photo in the series:
>
>
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photo
stream/lig
> htbox/692485818#zax/2119748590
>
>
> If all of these dire environmental things are going on in
my shack, 
> how come the connectors at the other end of the cable are
free of corrosion?
>
> This was defective hardware, pure and simple, which
Elecraft replaced.
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2015 5:59 AM, drewko wrote:
>> It's possible you may have environmental issues going on
(google 
>> 'chinese drywall'). Check wiring of light switches &
outlets, and 
>> copper tubing in plumbing and a/c units for corrosion.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/02/15 01:06, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>>> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>>>
>>>
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photo
stream/l
>>> ightbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to
show the 
>>> corrosion inside the socket.
>>>
>>> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average
RH here the 
>>> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>>>
>>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:34:26 -0700
From: "kevinr at coho.net" <kevinr at coho.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <55BE4692.6000308 at coho.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS
-


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 09:41:16 -0700
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed
purchase
Message-ID: <55BE482C.7040102 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

On Sat,8/1/2015 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> First purchase:
>
> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
> P3-K Panadapter.
> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter

That's a REAL good start.  Depending on your antennas, you
may need a tuner. If so, I would do that before the P3. If
your antennas are all resonant, and if you never plan to
take the radio on Field Day, you won't need a tuner. If
you're planning to add the KPA500, you'll want the KAT500.
And, of course, if you already have a tuner, you can use it.

73, Jim K9YC


------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 07:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "dmb at lightstream.net" <dmb at lightstream.net>
To: "Arie Kleingeld PA3A" <pa3a at xs4all.nl>
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
Message-ID:
	
<63804.71.74.118.201.1438516349.squirrel at mail.expedient.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

Arie,

Haven't drawn this out, but couldn't you accomplish your
headphone audio routing requirement via a simple outboard
switch or pair of switches mounted in a small box?

73, Dale
WA8SRA


> Hi all,
>
> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in
diversity, 
> not that I want to, but because I have to.
>
> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R
setting to A-b.
> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b
and back again.
> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna
because of very 
> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity
mode, which 
> is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with
computer macro 
> commands of course).
>
> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the
firmware. It's 
> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio
switching 
> in diversity :-) The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not
at this. If 
> I only could switch the audio when the radio is in
diversity via a 
> macro, that would be enough. (Does not need to be from a
front side 
> button)
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A




------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:06:07 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl>,
"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
Message-ID: <55BE4DFF.8030403 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Arie,

When in diversity, normally both the SubRX and the Main RX
are controlled by VFO A.
You must be in SPLIT to do what you are doing.  Is that
true?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 10:34 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in
diversity, 
> not that I want to, but because I have to.
>
> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R
setting to A-b.
> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b
and back 
> again. It is used when I need to listen to only one
antenna because of 
> very weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other
ear.
> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity
mode, which 
> is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with
computer macro 
> commands of course).
>



------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:10:33 -0400
From: Gee <kt5d at charter.net>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3
Message-ID:
<AD51A294-3CEC-48E7-B387-3DBB5840F1FB at charter.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports
on the KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push
by displaying the inactive port but reverts to normal when
display goes back to normal. Running latest firmware on the
KX3. 

Any ideas?



Sent from my iPad

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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:30:57 -0400
From: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
Message-ID: <55BE53D1.70905 at mebtel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Hi all,

Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run,
but during that contest it occurred to me I have come to
take the K3's performance in contesting for granted.  Sure
Elecraft got my money, but I have spent a lot more on things
that either fell apart quickly or worked like crap.

The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while
squeezed into tight little 300Hz windows between other
stations with ease.  I worked the 10 hours with zero issues
including it's integration to N1MM, and on several occasions
I was amazed by how closely I could work to nearby
superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking. I
mention this because I know that station runs several K3s as
well, and there was ZERO splatter or clicking.  Now if all
manufacturers could make their transmit spectra as clean,
imagine how much more fun contesting would be...

So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for
making the K3 such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good
value.  I'm not a fanboy, just a satisfied owner.

Howie - WA4PSC


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:38:31 -0600
From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at ece.montana.edu>
To: Gee <kt5d at charter.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from
KX3
Message-ID:
	
<31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F04688424C9 at coeexch1.coe.mon
tana.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Fire up the KXPA100 Utility and check the Antenna
configuration page.  In that page you can choose to allocate
different bands to different antenna ports.  For those with
no antennas on ANT2, say, it is a good strategy to
inactivate all bands for ANT2 to avoid selecting that
accidently and transmitting into an open.  You might have
that situation.
Cheers and 73,
Fred
KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd
ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at
www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guid
e

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters -
Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book
with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

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> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of 
> Gee
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:11 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from
KX3
> 
> Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna
ports on the 
> KXPA100. The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by
displaying 
> the inactive port but reverts to normal when display goes
back to normal.
> Running latest firmware on the KX3.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 10:49:37 -0700
From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>,
elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed
purchase
Message-ID: <55BE5831.7000906 at socal.rr.com>
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I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in antenna tuner as
a high priority.

Even if your current antennas are resonant on all bands,
there are portable ops and other situations where you might
want to try another antenna.

The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable and well
integrated into the rig's operation.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/1/15 10:41 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Looking for peer review. The setup has changed a bit
>
>   
>
>   
>
> First purchase:
>
> K3S/100-K 100w Tranceiver Kit
>
> P3-K Panadapter.
>
> KFL3A-2.8K 8 pole filter
>
> KFl3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Second purchase
>
> KPA500-K or Sub Receiver.. or ?
>
>   
>
> I'm getting lots of advice and just trying to figure out
how I'll operate.
> Apparently it's easier to find the pileups with the pan
adapter than 
> the sub receiver.. J
>
>   
>
>



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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:12:04 -0700
From: "Hank P" <pfizenmayer at q.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed
purchase
Message-ID: <204FC810CE614D83936F19235774F096 at HANKPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

AND - with the tuner  you get a second SO239 antenna port -
from front K3/K3S panel switch.

May sound trivial - but eliminates one more "accessory"
hanging on the K3 .
AND great place to connect  a dummy load for quick checks.

K7HP

-----
From: Phil Wheeler
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:49 AM
To: Jerry Moore ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed
purchase

I second Jim's recommendation of a built-in antenna tuner as
a high priority.

Even if your current antennas are resonant on all bands,
there are portable ops and other situations where you might
want to try another antenna.

The internal tuner of the K3/K3S is very capable and well
integrated into the rig's operation.

73, Phil W7OX



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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:14:22 -0500
From: Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
To: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3
Message-ID: <55BE5DFE.1020509 at sunflower.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hey Howard; I second your comments. I too worked the NAQP
contest for a bit. I found the P3 really helpful for finding
contacts quickly. I also used the APF, audio peaking filter,
in my K3 which often pulled in and kept out adjacent signals
really well. At the same time, I had my vertical SteppIR
attached to Ant 1 and the SUB-RX  in diversity and twined
with the A VFO in the K3 attached to my AUX input that had a
20-meter beverage attached to it. The noise level was
reduced ( I live near a shopping center) from S=2.5 to just
below S=0 with the addition of the Beverage and running
diversity. Great equipment. If you'd like a copy of my
writeup on my single-wavelength 20 meter beverage and the
3:1 matching trifilar ferrite transformer, just drop me an
email.

73, Phil, W0XI
aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com

> Howard Hoyt <mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net>
> Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:30 PM
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday's NAQP CW was not the first contest I have run,
but during 
> that contest it occurred to me I have come to take the
K3's 
> performance in contesting for granted.  Sure Elecraft got
my money, 
> but I have spent a lot more on things that either fell
apart quickly 
> or worked like crap.
>
> The receiver is superb, and I ran a bunch of Qs while
squeezed into 
> tight little 300Hz windows between other stations with
ease.  I worked 
> the 10 hours with zero issues including it's integration
to N1MM, and 
> on several occasions I was amazed by how closely I could
work to 
> nearby superstation N1LN without any splatter or clicking.
I mention 
> this because I know that station runs several K3s as well,
and there 
> was ZERO splatter or clicking.  Now if all manufacturers
could make 
> their transmit spectra as clean, imagine how much more fun
contesting 
> would be...
>
> So let me say thank you to all the people at Elecraft for
making the
> K3 such a joy to use, so reliable and such a good value.
I'm not a 
> fanboy, just a satisfied owner.
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:21:19 -0700
From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
To: "'Bob McGraw - K4TAX'" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>,
	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for
now)
Message-ID: <003601d0cd50$07e3ed00$17abc700$@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Bob, I wouldn't be too quick to call it silver oxide. Silver
chloride and silver sulfide are more common than silver
oxide and all are black and conductive. One way to tell is
silver oxide is removed with heat so a blast with the heat
gun (300C) will make it disappear.  (See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide)

73;
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 4:10 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3_no_xmit,_no_receive? FIXED! (for
now)

To me it looks like the normal oxidation process that occurs
due to reaction between silver plating on the connector and
oxygen in the air.  
The dark color is silver oxide.  {Some of you chemists can
better explain this effect.}

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/2/2015 12:06 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> If you want to see intermittent connections...
>
>
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/photos/photo
stream/lig
> htbox/692485818#zax/2040317344
>
>
> Note: The connection is purposefully disconnected to show
the 
> corrosion inside the socket.
>
> And no, I don't live on a tropical island.  The average RH
here the 
> desert of Tucson is less than 20%.
>
> On 8/1/2015 8:08 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> With problems of this sort, it is very important to make
sure that 
>> the TMP connectors are FULLY seated. Otherwise it is
possible to have 
>> the center pin just BARELY making contact. This will
cause an 
>> intermittent problem to reappear at the most inconvenient
times 
>> possible (been there, done that).
>>
>> If all you did was to wiggle to fix it, then at least one
of those 
>> TMPs is NOT fully seated. You need to check them all
again. Note that 
>> most of the barrel beneath the fins is in the socket when
they are 
>> fully seated.
>>
>> Rotating the TMP just a little as you push in is
sometimes useful.
>>
>> Good luck and may you not flounder around nearly so bad
as I did  :>)
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>>
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:28:39 -0500
From: Aaron Scott <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
Message-ID:
	
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune
button the display shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the
Alignment tool I go to adjust L1 and
L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not
change. I can't figure it out.

--
'73
Aaron Scott
K5ATG <http://k5atg.blogspot.com/>


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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:31:06 -0400
From: "Joshua Gould, K8WXA" <jg.k8wxa at gmail.com>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
Message-ID: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Greetings,

So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I
also want a base rig that is always ready to be used at
home. 

I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2 bands
of operation) 

I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna
tuner and 100W amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.

The other thought running through my mind was to get the
KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line,
but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take
it mobile or portable. 

Am I even thinking straight?

72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA

Sent from my iPhone

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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:37:36 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: Aaron Scott <k5atg.aaron at gmail.com>,
elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 40-Meter Alignment
Message-ID: <55BE6370.2020704 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Aaron,

Can you peak the bandpass filter in receive?  Do that first.
Right now, you do not know if the problem is with the
bandpass filter 
(L1 and L2) adjustment or whether you have another problem
in transmit.
You may have to build the RF Probe (parts provided with your
K2 kit) and 
do the Transmit Signal Tracing steps to find out where the
source of the 
problem may be.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 2:28 PM, Aaron Scott wrote:
> Trying to do the 40 m alignment and when I hit the Tune
button the display
> shows P 0.4 through P 0.6 ad using the Alignment tool I go
to adjust L1 and
> L2 to maximum as per instructions and the display does not
change. I can't
> figure it out.
>



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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:41:29 -0400
From: Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
Message-ID: <55BE6459.5090702 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and
I see no 
way to set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to
a certain 
value on phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I
correct?  Yes, 
I know I can turn it on and off manually.


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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:18:23 -0700
From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
Message-ID: <55BE6CFF.60707 at socal.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

K3S will definitely be a better base rig.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/2/15 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> So I'm looking for suggestions. I currently have a KX3. I
also want a base rig that is always ready to be used at
home.
>
> I currently have resonant antennas on 20/40 (my main 2
bands of operation)
>
> I was thinking about buying a K3S and adding the antenna
tuner and 100W amp as finances allow. With the P3 to follow.
>
> The other thought running through my mind was to get the
KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line,
but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take
it mobile or portable.
>
> Am I even thinking straight?
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
>
> Sent from my iPhone



------------------------------

Message: 23
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:19:45 -0700
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
Message-ID: <55BE6D51.70902 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
> The other thought running through my mind was to get the
KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line,
but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take
it mobile or portable.
>
> Am I even thinking straight?

Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW
-- the 
KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.

73, Jim K9YC


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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:21:37 -0700
From: rjguidrysr <rjguidrysr at verizon.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8


    




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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 15:57:45 -0400
From: "Ian - Ham" <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>
To: "'Elecraft Reflector Reflector'"
<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
Message-ID: <091b01d0cd5d$8000e7e0$8002b7a0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in 24
total
check-ins:

 

N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3
7791

N6JW                    John      CA          K3
976

WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?
? (we know Eric
checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his
info)

W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433

KX6F                      John      TN          K3
7023

K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3
7976

K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3
1597

VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409
He also
checked in later on KX3 #1253

AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S
10090

NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3        1356

KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857

VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S         10007

W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3
4016

KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3
1484

W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3
3139

W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3
1673

WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3
7877

W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3
6623

WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3           8133

KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3
4882

K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3
650

K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3
7782

W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S
10018

KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3
281

 

One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF,
asked if the
sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the
K3. John, N6JW
replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be used
in either
transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer
.pdf.

 

The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00 UTC.
I'll be net
control from just outside Atlanta.

 

Everyone have a great week.

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:03:48 -0700
From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
Message-ID: <55BE77A4.9030905 at socal.rr.com>
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Re:

"One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF,
asked if the
sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the
K3."

I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.

Phil W7OX



On 8/2/15 12:57 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> Band conditions were moderate to poor today, resulting in
24 total
> check-ins:
>
>   
>
> N2LRB                   Jose       NY          KX3
7791
>
> N6JW                    John      CA          K3
976
>
> WB9JNZ/M         Eric         ?              ?
? (we know Eric
> checked in, then the band died while he was giving us his
info)
>
> W4DML                Doug     TN          K3
6433
>
> KX6F                      John      TN          K3
7023
>
> K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3
7976
>
> K4GCJ                   Gary      NC          K3
1597
>
> VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3
409         He also
> checked in later on KX3 #1253
>
> AC9GK                  Steve    IN           K3S
10090
>
> NC0JW                  John      CO          KX3
1356
>
> KG5IEG/AG        James   TX           FT-857
>
> VE6HBS                Bryan    AB          K3S
10007
>
> W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3
4016
>
> KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3
1484
>
> W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3
3139
>
> W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3
1673
>
> WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3
7877
>
> W9JC                     Joe         OH          K3
6623
>
> WM6P                  Steve    GA          K3
8133
>
> KD1TH                   Paul       NH          K3
4882
>
> K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3
650
>
> K5UX                     Mike      LA           KX3
7782
>
> W0OS                    Jim         ND          K3S
10018
>
> KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3
281
>
>   
>
> One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF,
asked if the
> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the
K3. John, N6JW
> replied that the sub-receiver did not change and can be
used in either
> transceiver. Please also see the K3/K3S FAQs at
>
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer
.pdf.
>
>   
>
> The net will meet again next Sunday, 8/9/2015, at 18:00
UTC. I'll be net
> control from just outside Atlanta.
>
>   
>
> Everyone have a great week.
>
>   
>
> 73 de,
>
>   
>
> --Ian
>
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com>
>
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
>
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468



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Message: 27
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 11:13:29 -0700
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com>
To: "'Gee'" <kt5d at charter.net>,	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from
KX3
Message-ID: <016001d0cd4e$f3cfcf10$db6f6d30$@elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Could one of the KXPA100 antenna ports be disabled on that
band?

The KXPA Utility, configuration menu, Edit Configuration
lets you enable or
disable ANT1 or ANT2  by band.  

73 de Dick, K6KR

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Gee
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:11 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection from KX3

Cannot get the KX3 ANT select button to change antenna ports
on the KXPA100.
The KX3 display acknowledges ANT button push by displaying
the inactive port
but reverts to normal when display goes back to normal.
Running latest
firmware on the KX3. 

Any ideas?



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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:41:38 -0700
From: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
To: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
Message-ID: <5BDCCC80-C806-46AC-B4BB-9BF6A066BAE1 at me.com>
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Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1 PPM
reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain basement
5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S? 



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   






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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:44:52 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results - 2 August 2015
Message-ID: <55BE8F54.6040207 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
format=flowed

Phil and all,

The answer it YES.  The current KRX3 will come with the new
synth board, 
so yes one would either have to buy a new synth board for
the K3 or ask 
here if anyone would like to send their old synth board to
him to use 
with the new KRX3.  There are plenty of old synth boards
around (I have 
2 of them available for postage).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 4:03 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Re:
>
> "One question was presented to the group. Charlie, W5TTF,
asked if the
> sub-receiver for the K3S could be successfully used in the
K3."
>
> I imagine ONLY if the K3 has the new Synth Board.
>



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Message: 30
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:47:19 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>,	Elecraft
List
	<Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
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David,

Greater temperature stability.  If you are not operating
data modes like 
JT65 which has long term transmit times, and your shack is
at a 
reasonable stable temperature, one should be as good as the
other.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1
PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain
basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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Message: 31
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:51:22 -0400
From: Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com>
To: David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com>
Cc: Elecraft List <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High Stability Reference Oscillator
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If it bothers you if your K3S drift just a tiny bit warming
up, or it
bothers you if your 10MHz WWV is not absolutely dead on all
the time,
or if you are operating 6 and 2 meters, you fix that with
the
KTCXO3-1, or get the stuff to sync your K3S with GPS derived
10 MHz.

>From quite some number of posts, in the end a lot of people
want their
K3 absolutely dead on all the time. It just bothers them if
it's not.

Operating advantage? None on the lower bands. VHF
frequencies are
another matter.

I bought the KTCXO3-1 because I previously finally installed
the
equivalent in my FT1000MP.

In the end, it's druthers or a requirement for a specialized
operating mode.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 5:41 PM, David Ahrendts
<davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> Pros: what is the operating advantage of the KTCXO3-1 1
PPM reference oscillator over the standard ?ol bargain
basement 5 PPM ref osc supplied with my lovely new K3S?
>
>
>
> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com
>
>
>
>
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From n4xy at comcast.net  Sun Aug  2 19:07:30 2015
From: n4xy at comcast.net (Edward T. Tanton)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:07:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 accessories order
Message-ID: <020b01d0cd78$02147890$063d69b0$@comcast.net>

I have K2 SN 00057. It is the most basic it can be. I stopped once it was
working even though I had lots of the original add-ons because I was simply
having too much fun.

 

So, here is my dilemma: I have ALL of the options except the KPA100,
including updates & DSP, but have not yet installed any of them. I hope to
even get the KPA100 for a combined late October birthday/Christmas. Does
anyone have a list of a) what order I SHOULD install them in; & b) which
ones should NOT be used with any others? (I understand the battery and I
THINK the internal antenna tuner are not usable with the KPA100.) Thanks.

 

Ed Tanton N4XY  n4xy at comcast.net 
189 Pioneer Trail 
Marietta, GA 30068-3466 

website: http://www.n4xy.com  

LM: ARRL QCWA AMSAT INDEXA; 
SEDXC NCDXA GACW OK-QRP#172 

QRP-L#758      K2 (FT) SN: 00057

 


From nf4l at comcast.net  Sun Aug  2 19:26:48 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
In-Reply-To: <55BE6459.5090702@aol.com>
References: <55BE6459.5090702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A3C79D37-C371-4E74-8945-A61F4216F1C1@comcast.net>

Been chasing the same enhancement for a long time. I don't think it's gonna happen. The workaround is that fldigi and Cocoamodem can key the rig. Dunno about Win programs.

73, Mike NF4L


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and I see no way to set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to a certain value on phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I correct?  Yes, I know I can turn it on and off manually.
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:37:46 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 accessories order
In-Reply-To: <020b01d0cd78$02147890$063d69b0$@comcast.net>
References: <020b01d0cd78$02147890$063d69b0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55BEA9CA.70509@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

That is a Field Test K2 serial number.
I recommend that you upgrade it with the K2ATOBKT and *all* the other 
upgrade kits that are listed in the K2 A to B instructions. Do that 
before considering adding any options.
I would also recommend that you upgrade the IF crystals to the newer 
crystal set.  If you have an old KSB2, take a look at the crystals that 
came with it, and if they are not marked with an "-S" suffix, order the 
set of 14 matched crystals so you have 7 to use in the base K2 and the 
other 7 to use in the KSB2.  If your KSB2 has the current level 
crystals, you only need a set of 7 for the base K2.
If you want to change the KSB2 filter bandwidth to the newer 2.4kHz 
width, add the SSBCAPKT when you build the KSB2.

Back to the base K2 upgrades, do the Alternate AF Gain Wiring Mod, and 
if your K2 has been used for a significant time, replace the AF Gain 
control.

Once you have added the A to B upgrades, you can start on the options.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 7:07 PM, Edward T. Tanton wrote:
> I have K2 SN 00057. It is the most basic it can be. I stopped once it was
> working even though I had lots of the original add-ons because I was simply
> having too much fun.
>
>   
>
> So, here is my dilemma: I have ALL of the options except the KPA100,
> including updates & DSP, but have not yet installed any of them. I hope to
> even get the KPA100 for a combined late October birthday/Christmas. Does
> anyone have a list of a) what order I SHOULD install them in; & b) which
> ones should NOT be used with any others? (I understand the battery and I
> THINK the internal antenna tuner are not usable with the KPA100.) Thanks.
>
>


From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 19:39:54 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 23:39:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
In-Reply-To: <A3C79D37-C371-4E74-8945-A61F4216F1C1@comcast.net>
References: <55BE6459.5090702@aol.com>
	<A3C79D37-C371-4E74-8945-A61F4216F1C1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55BEAA4A.5010907@nc.rr.com>

Another workaround is to learn to use VOX on phone.
I'm not coordinated enough to operate either a foot switch or mike 
button and talk.  VOX to the rescue.
73 de Brian/K3KO
On 8/2/2015 23:26 PM, Mike Reublin NF4L wrote:
> Been chasing the same enhancement for a long time. I don't think it's gonna happen. The workaround is that fldigi and Cocoamodem can key the rig. Dunno about Win programs.
>
> 73, Mike NF4L
>
>
>> On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and I see no way to set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to a certain value on phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I correct?  Yes, I know I can turn it on and off manually.
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 19:56:26 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:56:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 accessories order
In-Reply-To: <020b01d0cd78$02147890$063d69b0$@comcast.net>
References: <020b01d0cd78$02147890$063d69b0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55BEAE2A.4010309@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

To further address your original question --
If you add the KPA100 to the base K2, then those options that are 
mounted in the K2 top cover are not compatible with the KPA100. That is 
the KAT2, KIO2 and the KBT2.

If you wish to configure it as a complete K2/10 with a KPA100, consider 
mounting the KPA100 in an EC2 enclosure.  That is easiest done if you 
add the KAT100-2 along with the EC2 enclosure.  The KPA100 plugs right 
into the KAT100-2 board.  That does require that you have the KIO2 in 
the base K2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 7:07 PM, Edward T. Tanton wrote:
> I have K2 SN 00057. It is the most basic it can be. I stopped once it was
> working even though I had lots of the original add-ons because I was simply
> having too much fun.
>
>   
>
> So, here is my dilemma: I have ALL of the options except the KPA100,
> including updates & DSP, but have not yet installed any of them. I hope to
> even get the KPA100 for a combined late October birthday/Christmas. Does
> anyone have a list of a) what order I SHOULD install them in; & b) which
> ones should NOT be used with any others? (I understand the battery and I
> THINK the internal antenna tuner are not usable with the KPA100.) Thanks.
>
>   
>
>


From jvandrey at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:08:29 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B Installation
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTyV6FpSh3KtAPu0AXFNR+vTMhdyjdgqP2hVy0_109_Adw@mail.gmail.com>

As others have noted, removing the two screws on the rear of the left panel
makes the installation easier.  Especially in order to attach the lock
washer and nut on the bottom corner of the KXV3B module with my XXL
fingers..

Now just waiting for the PTXMON parts that are due to arrive tomorrow so I
can finish the assembly of the P3 and get everything back up and running!

Jobst
AC0LP

From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:47:37 2015
From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:47:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
	<55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

I was thinking the same thing.  Dunno if the XYL would let me swing that
one or not though...

72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn

KX3 # 7480

NAQCC # 7704
OMISS # 9948
4sqrp # 990
FP # 3579

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
>
>> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with the
>> tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having to hook
>> and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
>>
>> Am I even thinking straight?
>>
>
> Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW -- the
> KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug  2 21:05:25 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 18:05:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
	<55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BEBE55.2050401@audiosystemsgroup.com>

What prevents that sort of discussion around here is that the XYL has 
sewing machines. :)

Jim

On Sun,8/2/2015 5:47 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.  Dunno if the XYL would let me swing 
> that one or not though...
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
>
> KX3 # 7480
>
> NAQCC # 7704
> OMISS # 9948
> 4sqrp # 990
> FP # 3579
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com 
> <mailto:jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
>
>         The other thought running through my mind was to get the
>         KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line,
>         but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take
>         it mobile or portable.
>
>         Am I even thinking straight?
>
>
>     Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW --
>     the KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.
>
>     73, Jim K9YC
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
>


From wb5jnc at centurytel.net  Sun Aug  2 21:06:10 2015
From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:06:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
	<55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201508022006.10506.wb5jnc@centurytel.net>

Revised equipment purchase list:

1. Check with SWMBO/CFO (AKA XYL/significant other) to determine radio budget 
limits.
2. List desired equipment in order of priority.
3. If cost of equipment on list exceeds budget limits, see # 1 above.
4. Hit "Control-C" to interrupt operation hung in endless loop....

73, Al

On Sun August 2 2015 7:47:37 pm Joshua Gould wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I was thinking the same thing.  Dunno if the XYL would let me swing that
> one or not though...
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
>
> KX3 # 7480
>
> NAQCC # 7704
> OMISS # 9948
> 4sqrp # 990
> FP # 3579
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> > On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
> >> The other thought running through my mind was to get the KXPA100 with
> >> the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line, but I don't like having
> >> to hook and unhook the radio to take it mobile or portable.
> >>
> >> Am I even thinking straight?
> >
> > Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW -- the
> > KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
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From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 21:33:30 2015
From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:33:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
In-Reply-To: <55BEBE55.2050401@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <84F2F451-F5C0-4222-88DF-4EBD1C928367@gmail.com>
	<55BE6D51.70902@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAHk01bAsAmhvD3htzVwQyeCtjQS4GUnhp6q5=89cS_3zZ4qDTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BEBE55.2050401@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAHk01bA2cfYQVFVa6DQfWKKjznc07VC6_He3GBCKLGZqXSNe6A@mail.gmail.com>

My XYL gets sparkly things that equal the value of my radios... I've
already purchased enough sparkly to cover a K3S in it's most basic
configuration... That would give me a base rig that is on par with my KX3
and then I could try my hand at some SO2R QRP contesting... Wouldn't need
the sub receiver as I have a second radio (at least at first.) The XYL
doesn't understand the multiple rig idea completely and I don't think she
believes me when I say that if I buy the K3S and slowly build it the way I
want, I probably won't purchase another radio for a while (10ish years or
so... at least until the K4 comes out.)

72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn

KX3 # 7480

NAQCC # 7704
OMISS # 9948
4sqrp # 990
FP # 3579

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> What prevents that sort of discussion around here is that the XYL has
> sewing machines. :)
>
> Jim
>
> On Sun,8/2/2015 5:47 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing.  Dunno if the XYL would let me swing that
>> one or not though...
>>
>> 72,
>> Joshua Gould
>> K8WXA
>> EM89pn
>>
>> KX3 # 7480
>>
>> NAQCC # 7704
>> OMISS # 9948
>> 4sqrp # 990
>> FP # 3579
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com
>> <mailto:jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     On Sun,8/2/2015 11:31 AM, Joshua Gould, K8WXA wrote:
>>
>>         The other thought running through my mind was to get the
>>         KXPA100 with the tuner, and the PX3 to complete my KX Line,
>>         but I don't like having to hook and unhook the radio to take
>>         it mobile or portable.
>>
>>         Am I even thinking straight?
>>
>>
>>     Sure. It's only money, and we can't take it with us. :)  BTW --
>>     the KXPA100 and tuner would be real nice in the car.
>>
>>     73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>     ______________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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From kt5d at charter.net  Sun Aug  2 21:41:28 2015
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:41:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection fixed!
Message-ID: <A3A233DA-ECFA-41CB-9D9C-0D14D4CCE4F0@charter.net>

You guys are good. Thanks to K6KR for pointing me to the KXPA utility configure file to enable antenna port 2.


 

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From kt5d at charter.net  Sun Aug  2 21:53:13 2015
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 21:53:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 antenna port selection fixed
Message-ID: <95A349A9-4A7C-4282-8EBD-716E5C18E906@charter.net>

Whoops! Thanks to Fred Caty as well! Quick response too! FB OM!




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From alan at elecraft.com  Sun Aug  2 22:19:07 2015
From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 19:19:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
In-Reply-To: <000001d0cce9$c1cc91c0$4565b540$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <26af01d0c714$a3944160$eabcc420$@wjschmidt.com>	<55B441C0.6030807@elecraft.com>
	<55BD9D66.4010006@elecraft.com>
	<000001d0cce9$c1cc91c0$4565b540$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <55BECF9B.6040801@elecraft.com>

Thanks.  Be sure to let us know what you come up with.

Alan


On 08/01/2015 11:09 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
> I'm working on something that is a little more 21st century-ish... something
> that is auto switching basis a little programming...  about $20 worth of
> stuff and it's god to go.
>
>
> Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
>
> Owner - Operator
> Big Signal Ranch - K9ZC
> Staunton, Illinois
>
> Owner - Operator
> Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
> Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
> Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com
>
> email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan
> Bloom
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:33 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
>
> On 07/25/2015 07:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>> On 07/25/2015 01:01 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
>>> I suppose the next thing we'll need is an outboard box to switch 3 P3TX
>>> sensors automatically keyed off the ACC connector (amp off HF, amp on
>>> HF, 2 meter).  Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone else has thought about this?
>> You can buy manual RJ-45 switches on Amazon.  I just ordered one to try
>> out.  10 bucks plus shipping:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Network-Output-Manual-Sharing-Switch/dp/B00AUB3SSA/
> This is a little box that has 4 pushbutton switches on the front that
> select one of four one RJ-45 connectors.  I received the unit a few days
> ago and finally got around to trying it.  It is quite small - about 4.7
> x 3.3 x 1.1 inches (11.9 x 8.4 x 2.8 cm).
>
> I have it connected with short Ethernet LAN cables to three sensors:
> 200W HF, 2000W HF and VHF.  The fourth position is "off".  It makes it
> quick and easy to select and de-select sensors for my testing.  The P3
> TX monitor automatically senses which type of sensor is connected and
> changes scale factors and calibration values as required.
>
> I took it apart to examine the innards.  Each of the four pushbuttons is
> ganged to two 4PST switches, so all 8 lines of the RJ-45 connectors are
> switched.  It appears well-constructed with a good-quality PC board.
> The chassis is thin sheet metal, but perfectly adequate for the purpose.
>    One odd feature is that the pushbuttons are labeled D through A, left
> to right.  They did that so the connectors on the rear panel come out in
> the more-logical A-D order.
>
> By the way, it should also work fine with a W2 if you want to be able to
> use more than two sensors.
>
> Alan N1AL



From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 23:35:17 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 06:35:17 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
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What I do is switch antenna connections. My secondary antenna is 
connected to both the RX ANT and the sub's BNC input. So I can listen to 
the main + secondary antennas in diversity mode, just the main antenna 
with diversity off, or just the secondary antenna (regardless of whether 
diversity is on or off) with the RX ANT switch on.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 2 Aug 2015 17:34, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not
> that I want to, but because I have to.
>
> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back again.
> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very
> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which is
> a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
> commands of course).
>
> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's
> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in
> diversity :-)
> The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch
> the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be
> enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Aug  2 23:48:27 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 19:48:27 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
Message-ID: <201508030348.t733mRsQ020887@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Don, and all:

I don't think diversity will work with different VFO's.  Both Rx need 
to be in phase from one LO for diversity reception to work.

I run diversity Rx on 2m with RF channels that are orthogonally 
different polarity and that feeds dual IQ baseband thru a four port 
soundcard to my computer running a special form of JT65 which can 
pick out the angle of polarization from the two signals and peaks 
reception.  Every part of the RF chain needs to be in the same phase 
for that to work.  The K3 + KRX3 was the only ham radio to offer this 
for my IF.  I use two LP-Pan on the 1st IF of the K3 and KRX3 to get 
that.  Details are on my website under Tech Topics/SDR/using MAP65...

I have not used linked Rx but can see its value keeping one VFO a 
fixed offset in frequency from the other as one tunes.  I have used a 
somewhat similar idea with a VHF/UHF satellite Rx/Tx where the Tx 
keeps a freq relationship with the Rx frequency.  It was not a simple 
linking because the system had to adapt to different Doppler 
effects.  I will attempt to link my K3 + 432 transverter in Tx with 
my KX3-2M for satellite operation.  But tuning of both will require 
special sw to take care of the changing differential in offset.

I do use Tx split freq when operating 1296-eme because Doppler can 
lead to offsets as high as 2-KHz between stations.  But that is the 
normal Rx-VFOA, Tx-VFOB, and not using linking of the dual Rx.  EME 
at 1296 and higher uses circular polarization that overcomes polarity 
mismatching so my dual-pol diversity Rx is not needed.

I have not upgraded my K3 firmware to the vers that has separated 
linking and diversity on the SUB button.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl>,       "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
         <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?

Arie,

When in diversity, normally both the SubRX and the Main RX are
controlled by VFO A.
You must be in SPLIT to do what you are doing.  Is that true?

73,
Don W3FPR


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 23:50:43 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 23:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B Installation
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTyV6FpSh3KtAPu0AXFNR+vTMhdyjdgqP2hVy0_109_Adw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTyV6FpSh3KtAPu0AXFNR+vTMhdyjdgqP2hVy0_109_Adw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BEE513.10100@embarqmail.com>

Removing the entire left side panel makes installation of the KXV3B 
module even easier.
As an additional hint, bend the pins of the KXV3B connector slightly 
toward the front - about 1/16 inch at the tips of the pins is enough.  
That will allow you to more easily install the new option.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/2/2015 8:08 PM, Jobst Vandrey wrote:
> As others have noted, removing the two screws on the rear of the left panel
> makes the installation easier.  Especially in order to attach the lock
> washer and nut on the bottom corner of the KXV3B module with my XXL
> fingers..
>


From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Aug  3 03:47:02 2015
From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:47:02 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?
In-Reply-To: <EC7E1727-DA95-42E3-8DFB-EB61A269B5F9@carolinaheli.com>
References: <EC7E1727-DA95-42E3-8DFB-EB61A269B5F9@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <w2EK0jB2xxvVFwjo@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>

In a recent message, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> writes
>When will the new K3S book be available?
>
>Anyone know?

The books are already available, Jerry, and downloadable from

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740259%20K3s%20Assembly%20Manual%20Rev%20B.pdf

and

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Owner%27s%20man%20A1.pdf

73 de David G4DMP
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From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:15:42 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:15:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 firmware - don't just 'send new'
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+LusgjSzfnw54s8_CvsrUfrVRooH+KnRh0_tak1uhtF2A@mail.gmail.com>

If like me you have just upgraded to the latest version 1.50 beta and you
find that the SVGA behaves rather strangely, not remembering settings on
powering off etc., then you might have just sent 'all _new_ firmware' to
the P3 as opposed to sending 'all'.

Don't ask me how I know...

73, Stephen G4SJP

From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:21:53 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:21:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>

I wrote too soon,

Having uploaded all firmware to the P3 rather than just the new files, I am
still seeing problems - in particular with the sizing of the SVGA waterfall
not being remembered.  Also I have a grey background and lose the fill
under the spectrum line.  Toggling the display button on the P3 restores
the colour and fill but not the waterfall height.

*All of the above only refers to the SVGA display, the P3's own display
works just fine.*

Perhaps I should download all the files from the ftp server again?

73 Stephen G4SJP

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 05:48:06 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 05:48:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc2D67rSRv76v8n9usRJNO0EFTim_Y96c2TSMt_ZW2nr9g@mail.gmail.com>

I also have the exact problem as described by Stephen below. 73, Guy K2AV.

On Monday, August 3, 2015, Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote too soon,
>
> Having uploaded all firmware to the P3 rather than just the new files, I am
> still seeing problems - in particular with the sizing of the SVGA waterfall
> not being remembered.  Also I have a grey background and lose the fill
> under the spectrum line.  Toggling the display button on the P3 restores
> the colour and fill but not the waterfall height.
>
> *All of the above only refers to the SVGA display, the P3's own display
> works just fine.*
>
> Perhaps I should download all the files from the ftp server again?
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Aug  3 06:09:01 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 03:09:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <55BE4692.6000308@coho.net>
References: <55BE4692.6000308@coho.net>
Message-ID: <1438596541062-7605766.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Kevin,

is there any EU schedulle too?

Thanks for info...

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 06:37:08 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:37:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc2D67rSRv76v8n9usRJNO0EFTim_Y96c2TSMt_ZW2nr9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANckpc2D67rSRv76v8n9usRJNO0EFTim_Y96c2TSMt_ZW2nr9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+LNRerH3pxapMKKw+OSMhdBvX2NxX6SQ-NfEgh2cRFt=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guy,

That's reassuring, no point in me downloading the zipped file again from
the ftp site by the sound of it.  I'll await a fix!

Thanks and 73,

Stephen G4SJP

On 3 August 2015 at 10:48, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also have the exact problem as described by Stephen below. 73, Guy
> K2AV.
>
>
> On Monday, August 3, 2015, Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wrote too soon,
>>
>> Having uploaded all firmware to the P3 rather than just the new files, I
>> am
>> still seeing problems - in particular with the sizing of the SVGA
>> waterfall
>> not being remembered.  Also I have a grey background and lose the fill
>> under the spectrum line.  Toggling the display button on the P3 restores
>> the colour and fill but not the waterfall height.
>>
>> *All of the above only refers to the SVGA display, the P3's own display
>> works just fine.*
>>
>> Perhaps I should download all the files from the ftp server again?
>>
>> 73 Stephen G4SJP
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug  3 07:31:47 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 07:31:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?
In-Reply-To: <w2EK0jB2xxvVFwjo@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
References: <EC7E1727-DA95-42E3-8DFB-EB61A269B5F9@carolinaheli.com>
	<w2EK0jB2xxvVFwjo@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005701d0cddf$fd05a0f0$f710e2d0$@carolinaheli.com>

Hi David, 
   I should have been more specific. I meant the books by Fred Kady<sp?>  

-----Original Message-----
From: David G4DMP [mailto:david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:47 AM
To: Jerry Moore
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?

In a recent message, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> writes
>When will the new K3S book be available?
>
>Anyone know?

The books are already available, Jerry, and downloadable from

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740259%20K3s%20Assembly%20Manual%20Rev%20B.p
df

and

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Owner%27s%20man%20A1.pdf

73 de David G4DMP
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug  3 08:59:05 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:59:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

 

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer


From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:12:47 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:12:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
	a	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <09dd01d0cdee$17c1ed00$4745c700$@gmail.com>

Jerry,

I don't regret for one minute any of my Elecraft purchases. I bought my
K3/P3 used several years ago, then added the KAT500 and KPA500 later as
resources allowed. I also had a W2 wattmeter for several years, which I sold
after it became extraneous to my needs. I also use the T1 QRP tuner with my
FT-817 when I operate portable.

I've been very happy with all the Elecraft gear I own.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
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Moore
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

 

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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From jvandrey at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:15:29 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:15:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTyR3Y+A=xonnTp8VCH08eexPQM6CqeZuGcUJCVKDCfoMg@mail.gmail.com>

FYI

When I was a volunteer at the Elecraft booth in Dayton, the question of
multiple sensors was raised a number of times.  During one such discussion,
an individual from Elecraft seemed to indicate that if a switch was to be
built, each sensor in the chain needed to have continuous power.

His take was to switch the signal lines only and leave power to all sensors
at all times.  For this reason, he did not recommend a simple off the shelf
switch that transferred all 8 lines.

I'll leave it up to the experts to see if this off the cuff discussion is
still a valid concern.

Jobst
AC0LP

From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:27:35 2015
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55BF6C47.5030302@gmail.com>

  62 years in amateur radio and I have had from homebrew to Collins and 
in my very humble opinion I do not think there is a better investment 
than the Elecraft line of products. I own aK2, a K-Line (K3, P3, KPA500, 
and KAT500) and this K3 happens to be my second one. Will I be upgrading 
to a K3s, probably not, but the Huntsville Hamfest is coming up and you 
never can tell what happens at a hamfest! I most certainly will 
carefully evaluate the available upgrades to see what advantages they 
may offer to my modes of operation which centers principally around weak 
signal work on HF and VHF.

73s Jim, W4ATK
Celebrating 62 years in amateur radio

On 8/3/2015 7:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>   
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:53:34 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple sensors with P3 transmit monitor
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTyR3Y+A=xonnTp8VCH08eexPQM6CqeZuGcUJCVKDCfoMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTyR3Y+A=xonnTp8VCH08eexPQM6CqeZuGcUJCVKDCfoMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BF725E.5060301@embarqmail.com>

Jobst,

The person who suggested the 4 port switch was none other than Alan 
Bloom N1AL - who is the principle P3 designer.
If the power is a problem, I would think he would have mentioned it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/3/2015 9:15 AM, Jobst Vandrey wrote:
> FYI
>
> When I was a volunteer at the Elecraft booth in Dayton, the question of
> multiple sensors was raised a number of times.  During one such discussion,
> an individual from Elecraft seemed to indicate that if a switch was to be
> built, each sensor in the chain needed to have continuous power.
>
> His take was to switch the signal lines only and leave power to all sensors
> at all times.  For this reason, he did not recommend a simple off the shelf
> switch that transferred all 8 lines.
>
>


From jvandrey at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 10:21:59 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware for P3TXMON function
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the software page for the P3, do we load the Beta 1.50 version
(July 29th 2015 dated) for the TXMON capability, or is there something else
in the works?

As a side note, I hope that Elecraft eventually gets pictures up on the web
site show casing the TX monitor function for the P3.  In addition, the FAQ
says that this function will now work with any transceiver.  During Dayton,
the FAQ said that the TXMON function would only work with the K3 so
highlighting this change might be a nice thing to do to expand the market.

73s

Jobst
AC0LP

From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Mon Aug  3 10:25:20 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:25:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BEE175.20803@gmail.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
	<55BEE175.20803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BF79D0.8030902@xs4all.nl>

Vic,

I have the macro's  programmed under F9-F10-F11-F12 in N1MM logger.
The response of the K3 to the F-keys is swift. Switching Diversity on 
and off etc. is not as quick.
Do you use macro's for this Vic?


73
Arie
.

Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO schreef op 3-8-2015 om 5:35:
>
> What I do is switch antenna connections. My secondary antenna is 
> connected to both the RX ANT and the sub's BNC input. So I can listen 
> to the main + secondary antennas in diversity mode, just the main 
> antenna with diversity off, or just the secondary antenna (regardless 
> of whether diversity is on or off) with the RX ANT switch on.
>
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 2 Aug 2015 17:34, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not
>> that I want to, but because I have to.
>>
>> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
>> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back again.
>> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very
>> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which is
>> a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
>> commands of course).
>>
>> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's
>> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in
>> diversity :-)
>> The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch
>> the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be
>> enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>>
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Mon Aug  3 10:25:39 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55BF79E3.8080907@sunflower.com>

Jerry

I have none. I really like my K3, P3 with 100W amp. I particularly like 
the second RX that I added...........along with the AUX antenna port. 
With these I can operate diversity with my homebrew beverage. I really 
like the APF (audio peaking filter) which works as advertised, 
particularly with the Beverage attached to the second RX. Worked great 
for the NAQP this past weekend.

uncle Phil, W0XI

Shall I post my Beverage info on my website?

> Jerry Moore <mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> Monday, August 03, 2015 7:59 AM
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. 
> It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer
>
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From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Mon Aug  3 10:30:20 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:30:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl>

Don,

to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM to 
copy the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio to 
A-b listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done in 
F9-F10-11 to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.

Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is in 
diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In 
diversity the audio is fixed to A-b.

73
Arie PA3A

Don Wilhelm schreef op 2-8-2015 om 19:06:
> Arie,
>
> When in diversity, normally both the SubRX and the Main RX are 
> controlled by VFO A.
> You must be in SPLIT to do what you are doing.  Is that true?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/2/2015 10:34 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, 
>> not that I want to, but because I have to.
>>
>> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
>> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back 
>> again. It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because 
>> of very weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which 
>> is a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro 
>> commands of course).
>>
>
>


From mattz at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 10:33:21 2015
From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 07:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware for P3TXMON function
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <lruurapvio25qg4u9d94dl08f6qkktvb29@4ax.com>

1.50 is the P3 firmware rev we're using in Field Test right now.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:21:59 -0500, you wrote:

>Looking at the software page for the P3, do we load the Beta 1.50 version
>(July 29th 2015 dated) for the TXMON capability, or is there something else
>in the works?
>

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
www.elecraft.com
831-763-4211  x129



From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Mon Aug  3 10:38:40 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:38:40 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <63804.71.74.118.201.1438516349.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
	<63804.71.74.118.201.1438516349.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
Message-ID: <55BF7CF0.7070108@xs4all.nl>

Dale,

That would be a nice work around, introducing another device  :-)  I am 
limiting the number of devices as much as possible.
Having it under the F-keys is just so nice. I wonder why no one asked 
for this before. At the club the K3 is really showing off when people 
use it this way.

73
Arie


dmb at lightstream.net schreef op 2-8-2015 om 13:52:
> Arie,
>
> Haven't drawn this out, but couldn't you accomplish your headphone audio
> routing requirement via a simple outboard switch or pair of switches
> mounted in a small box?
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I might be one of few people who use the Linked VFO's in diversity, not
>> that I want to, but because I have to.
>>
>> When listening to diversity I am stuck with the L-MIX-R setting to A-b.
>> Some times I want to switch from A-b to  A-A   or   b-b  and back again.
>> It is used when I need to listen to only one antenna because of very
>> weak signal or QRM via the other antenna to my other ear.
>> This switching cannot be done when the K3 is in diversity mode, which is
>> a pity. That's why I Link the VFO's. (All done with computer macro
>> commands of course).
>>
>> It's probably not on the list for this to come in the firmware. It's
>> seems to be only Arie (me) that would appreciate the audio switching in
>> diversity :-)
>> The K3 is a very flexible radio, but not at this. If I only could switch
>> the audio when the radio is in diversity via a macro, that would be
>> enough. (Does not need to be from a front side button)
>>
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
>
>


From ho13dave at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 10:40:49 2015
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:40:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55BF7D71.9040602@gmail.com>


You can answer the question yourself by browsing the classified 'For 
Sale' columns on various web sites. Check QRZ, eHam, eBay, etc. See 
how many you can find that were purchased less than 6 months ago.

There has been somewhere around 10,000 K3's and K3S sold. Only a few 
pop up quickly in the classified.

There are obviously going to be a few who buy any product and then 
decide it is not for them.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 8/3/15 7:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Aug  3 11:14:36 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

Jerry,

I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
bit!  

The K3 is a much more versatile rig.  Not as pretty as the old Pro III,
(not as large either, which is a plus), but I don't really care about
pretty, I care about performance, and I have an entire new layer of
stations I hear now, that I did not with the Pro III...

Also, there are so many ways to configure the radio you will be able to
configure it for what ever your needs are...  Here is a few examples...

The K3 allows for setting the TUNE output level.  I have an auto tuner.
That tuner needs less than 100 watts to trigger autotune.  I have an
ALS-1306 amp, I set the TUNE level on the K3 to be 3 watts.  That 3
watts drives the tuner via the ALS-1306 Amp with enough power from the
ALS-1306 to force the tuner into retune mode if above 1.7:1. Thus I get
the equivalent of a tuner connected to the radio TUNE button, and do so
without any extra cables...  Single button tuning of the AMP, and the
tuner, all in under 10 seconds.

Most settings are per band, so I configure things, for each band, and
mode, and when I return the configurations return for each band/mode...

I thought the P3 was just a frill, it is not...  I removed it for a bit
to test some radio control hardware I am working on, and almost lost my
mind without it, I did not have a picture of the band in my head anymore
without the P3...  

So, no, I never looked back after selling the Pro III.  Prior to the
change over for me, I sat both rigs on the desk, and A/B compared them
for a week, using the exact same antennas, before I sold the Pro III, I
had expected to test for a month to make my decision, it took only a
week to decide.  

I was ready and willing to sell the K3 if it was not significantly
better, I have the K3, and not the Icom now!

I have a ham 700 feet away from me, and when he runs his K3 and his KW
Henry amp, I can't tell he is on if I am 20 KHz away...  The PRO III
desensed on his signal, across the entire band, if he was on SSB, and I
wan on CW, I could see, and hear it...  So again, I am so very happy I
have the K3 I would never go back.  If you want to see exactly how wide
the is looking at at 2 watts from 700 feet away see:

http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecraft-k3-new-synthesizer/

I did a compare of the old and new Synthesizers, and as an aside, it
will show you just how tight the K3 really is in strong signal
conditions.  

I have four hams within a half mile of me.  I really can't tell if they
are on, unless I get very close in frequency, (like under 10 KHz.), or
see them on the P3.

My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
within my passband, my ears get nailed big time...  There needs to be an
audio limiter on my rig...  

Macro programming is nice, you can pretty much do anything you want with
the rig via Macros...  I have macros that totally set up my rig based on
the mode I select via software.  If I select RTTY, using MixW, the
macros fires for MODE START, and the radio is switched into DATA/RTTY
mode, transmit levels levels set, monitor levels set, etc, all
automatic.  I almost never touch the radio now, but to tune, or adjust
RF/Audio levels.  When I switch to PSK the same thing happens only for
PSK.  So nope, I am happy as can be with the rig...  Have fun, I am with
my K3!

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0400, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
> 
>  
> 
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
> 
> Jer
> 
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Mon Aug  3 11:18:49 2015
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1508030816120.2567@chris.i8u.org>

Yes. When I pushed the button on the web site, I thought, "What have I
done?" When I got everything set up and pushed the button on the radio,
I thought, "Oh yeah, this is what I've done!"

As a guy who lives in the city with a suboptimal antenna, I still have a
great time except on 20M. But then again I still do OK on 20M.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015, Jerry Moore wrote:

> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  3 11:05:45 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>

Arie,

The K3 may be in diversity, but you will only hear in diversity mode 
when the audio is A-b.
The diversity effect is 'in your head' as your ears naturally pick up 
the differences between the two receivers and your brain figures out 
which is the best to hear.

When you have the audio set to A-A or b-b, you are hearing the audio 
from only one receiver, and by definition, that is not diversity reception.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/3/2015 10:30 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
> Don,
>
> to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM to 
> copy the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio to 
> A-b listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done in 
> F9-F10-11 to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.
>
> Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is in 
> diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In 
> diversity the audio is fixed to A-b.
>


From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Mon Aug  3 11:30:43 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 10:30:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beverage with K3 at AUX port
Message-ID: <55BF8923.4030500@sunflower.com>

Good Day! Great WX here.

A number of you on the Elecraft reflector have requested a copy of my 
20-meter Beverage antenna attached to the AUX port of my Elecraft K3.

I got tired of sending out the emails individually so have posted a near 
up-to-date copy of the article on my website. Just copy and paste the 
url below to obtain a pdf copy.

www.midnightscience.com/download files/20-Meter Beverage Antenna 2015.pdf

73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS.

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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug  3 11:37:30 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
Message-ID: <5h2vra9vcajo5nup3ncr1rq37mmgus7jq7@4ax.com>


Dave,

Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM.  This function will
limit audio out when AGC is disabled.  I run mine around 20.

It will save your hearing!

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Jerry,
>
>I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
>bit!  
<snip>
>My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
>section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
>within my passband, my ears get nailed big time...  There needs to be an
>audio limiter on my rig...  
>
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein


From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Aug  3 11:42:04 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:42:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <5h2vra9vcajo5nup3ncr1rq37mmgus7jq7@4ax.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
	<5h2vra9vcajo5nup3ncr1rq37mmgus7jq7@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1438616524.7389.31.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

Done, and thanks!
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:37 -0700, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> Dave,
> 
> Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM.  This function will
> limit audio out when AGC is disabled.  I run mine around 20.
> 
> It will save your hearing!
> 
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 11:48:23 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 15:48:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
	a	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <1422223368.990662.1438616903486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.




      From: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:59 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?
   
Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

 

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 11:50:25 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:50:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Hi Stephen, 

Try performing a parameter reset (MENU+PWR) and see if that fixes the
problem.  You will lose all your function key settings so you might want to
write them down beforehand.  Almost all SVGA parameters are saved within the
P3, let me know if the param reset fixes it. 

-Paul




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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Aug  3 11:54:34 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
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Great radio and well worth the $$. My only regret 
is that I don't use it enough :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/3/15 5:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
>   
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 11:59:09 2015
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
Message-ID: <23F22854-1821-48D9-B72F-443A1FDB9659@gmail.com>

Let me just add my 'Amen' to Dave's comments.  

I went from an IC-756 Pro III to a K3 in 2012 and now run the full K-Line.  

For me, the K3 is the best rig I've run in my 47 years on the air, and my only regret is that I didn't get a K3 sooner. 

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:14 AM, David Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
> bit!  
> 
> The K3 is a much more versatile rig.  Not as pretty as the old Pro III,
> (not as large either, which is a plus), but I don't really care about
> pretty, I care about performance, and I have an entire new layer of
> stations I hear now, that I did not with the Pro III...
> 
> Also, there are so many ways to configure the radio you will be able to
> configure it for what ever your needs are...  Here is a few examples...
> 
> The K3 allows for setting the TUNE output level.  I have an auto tuner.
> That tuner needs less than 100 watts to trigger autotune.  I have an
> ALS-1306 amp, I set the TUNE level on the K3 to be 3 watts.  That 3
> watts drives the tuner via the ALS-1306 Amp with enough power from the
> ALS-1306 to force the tuner into retune mode if above 1.7:1. Thus I get
> the equivalent of a tuner connected to the radio TUNE button, and do so
> without any extra cables...  Single button tuning of the AMP, and the
> tuner, all in under 10 seconds.
> 
> Most settings are per band, so I configure things, for each band, and
> mode, and when I return the configurations return for each band/mode...
> 
> I thought the P3 was just a frill, it is not...  I removed it for a bit
> to test some radio control hardware I am working on, and almost lost my
> mind without it, I did not have a picture of the band in my head anymore
> without the P3...  
> 
> So, no, I never looked back after selling the Pro III.  Prior to the
> change over for me, I sat both rigs on the desk, and A/B compared them
> for a week, using the exact same antennas, before I sold the Pro III, I
> had expected to test for a month to make my decision, it took only a
> week to decide.  
> 
> I was ready and willing to sell the K3 if it was not significantly
> better, I have the K3, and not the Icom now!
> 
> I have a ham 700 feet away from me, and when he runs his K3 and his KW
> Henry amp, I can't tell he is on if I am 20 KHz away...  The PRO III
> desensed on his signal, across the entire band, if he was on SSB, and I
> wan on CW, I could see, and hear it...  So again, I am so very happy I
> have the K3 I would never go back.  If you want to see exactly how wide
> the is looking at at 2 watts from 700 feet away see:
> 
> http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecraft-k3-new-synthesizer/
> 
> I did a compare of the old and new Synthesizers, and as an aside, it
> will show you just how tight the K3 really is in strong signal
> conditions.  
> 
> I have four hams within a half mile of me.  I really can't tell if they
> are on, unless I get very close in frequency, (like under 10 KHz.), or
> see them on the P3.
> 
> My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
> section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
> within my passband, my ears get nailed big time...  There needs to be an
> audio limiter on my rig...  
> 
> Macro programming is nice, you can pretty much do anything you want with
> the rig via Macros...  I have macros that totally set up my rig based on
> the mode I select via software.  If I select RTTY, using MixW, the
> macros fires for MODE START, and the radio is switched into DATA/RTTY
> mode, transmit levels levels set, monitor levels set, etc, all
> automatic.  I almost never touch the radio now, but to tune, or adjust
> RF/Audio levels.  When I switch to PSK the same thing happens only for
> PSK.  So nope, I am happy as can be with the rig...  Have fun, I am with
> my K3!
> 
> -- 
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0400, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
>> as flashy as some.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>> 
>> Jer
>> 
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Mon Aug  3 12:03:16 2015
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
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My only regret is that I didn?t buy two K3 transceivers.

73,


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 05:59, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> 
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
> 
> 
> 
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
> 
> Jer
> 
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug  3 12:02:40 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:02:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a suggestion (KX3/K3S)
Message-ID: <00c101d0ce05$d44e6450$7ceb2cf0$@carolinaheli.com>

I get the exact same thing. I ended up using the channel analogy and that
seemed to help. This radio does channels 2 and 70 (2m and 70cm for car)
which allows me to talk locally to my friends. The new radio does all of the
world wide channels and let's me make friends all over the world (show map
with the call zones). The K3/K3S radio is more qiete than what I have
(demonstrate current radio and it's noise levels). So far it's been the
challenge to justify a $4000 radio over a $1400 radio that looks "cool" and
more up-to-date to her. Not sure how to explain all of the differences.

Jer


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 12:05:22 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:05:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_630M_Pwr Amp
Message-ID: <1567762465.298593.1438617922405.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
My two cents, I would start with a homebrew class D pwr amp.This will get you on CW,WSPR,JT9 and a few other digi modes.The class D switching mode FET power amps are easy tobuild and easy to drive.This will get you started and later you can build a class A pwr amp.Most of the narrow band modes that you will end up using do not need classA,AB mode pwr amps.Remember the bandwidth of the 630M band is about the sameBandwidth as two SSB signals.
73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM

From breedenwb at cableone.net  Mon Aug  3 12:27:59 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 11:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <55BF968F.5000208@cableone.net>


Absolutely no regrets here!

I have two friends and fellow hams that are often chasing the same DX 
stations that I am in split CW pileups.  One is three miles away and the 
other, with a super station, is about 10 miles away.  My primary radio 
before purchasing my first K3 in 2011 was an FT-1000. My friends 
signals, while outside of the pass band of the FT-1000's CW filter, 
would pound the FT-1000's AGC and make it difficult to copy the DX 
station we were chasing, especially on the low bands where we are all 
using omnidirectional antennas.  Before ordering my K3, I test drove an 
IC-7800 for 40 days and the effect on the AGC was diminished, but still 
quite noticeable when we were in a pileup together.  Now, with a 400 Hz 
filter in my K3, the only way I know we are in a pileup together is when 
I see them on the P3.  I like the K3 so much that I bought a second one 
for Field Day and other portable events so that I don't have to tear 
apart my home station every time I want to operate portable with a K3.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  3 12:36:33 2015
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:36:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
	on	a	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <1422223368.990662.1438616903486.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig. 

A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.
 


>> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.

From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 13:00:03 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:00:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware for P3TXMON function
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438621203676-7605797.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Jobst, 

You should download the P3 1.50 BETA firmware.  Instructions on
downloading/installing BETA firmware along with the link can be found at the
Elecraft firmware page  P3 1.50 July 29, 2015
<http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm>  

73, 

Paul N6HZ



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From n9tf at comcast.net  Mon Aug  3 13:06:12 2015
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:06:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
	a	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
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Message-ID: <1242283079.21760200.1438621572484.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

No regrets or buyers remorse here at all Jerry! 
Although the "box" is not flashy as some with all the outboard "candy", it's what's under the hood that counts, and the reputation of Elecraft support, which has not been disappointing.?I thought long and hard before making my purchase, all the way back when the K3 was first introduced. In a way I'm very glad I waited, as the K3S is a result of many, many improvements from operator suggestions and some beta testing. As I compared the "under the hood" capability and flexibility for future expansion?with other rigs, less expensive (FTDx 3000, TS590SG), and more expensive (FTDx 5000, TS990s),?the K3S kept winning, for "my operating style". 
I personally like the?aesthetics and compact appearance of the K3/K3S platform. 
? 
I am a casual contester who's scores are to support a larger club cause.?My more serious enjoyment is DXing, CW and digital, and following Dxpeditions. Any tool that will make?these areas of ham radio more enjoyable for me is?worth the price. For me, this the first new radio in?15?years, so I researched what I thought was going to be the ultimate tool that would make my ham experience the most enjoyable. So far the K3S has not disappointed! 
? 
My last rig, which I just sold to my son, KC9ETU, was a PROIII. I bought that used back in late 2008, which was to replace a Kenwood TS570s and TS2000 (last 2?new radios). I like to use the comparison that the K3S is in?a world of it's own over the PROIII, like the PROIII was to the two Kenwood's. 
? 
There?are probably?some functions I will never get to, to using on the K3S, but the ones I'm using have certainly?been huge improvements to what I have been playing with in the past. 
? 
I went with the 100?watt K3S with auto tuner and P3. For me and my style of operating, I did not see the?need for the dual receiver, "at this time". The P3 lets me see what's going on, on the band. I tried the dual receive function in the PROIII years ago, and I just preferred the band scope instead!??I went with the 6Khz, 2.7Khz, 500Hz and 250Hz roofing filters.?Very happy camper! 
? 
73 Gene N9TF 
? 
K3S 10057??? 
? 

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From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 7:59:05 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a????????K3/K3S purchase? 

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not 
as flashy as some. 

? 

Just a lot to think about as I save up. 

Jer 

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From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 13:18:55 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:18:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Important Information Regarding Firmware
Message-ID: <1438622335125-7605799.post@n2.nabble.com>

If you purchased an Elecraft P3TXMON accessory board for your P3, you will
need to download and install  the 1.50 P3 BETA firmware release into your P3
(see instructions below).   The P3TXMON will ONLY work with firmware
versions 1.50 or above. 


Download and install BETA firmware for your P3: 

NOTE: Beta test firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught during
field testing. Please report them to k3support at elecraft.com.

Follow these steps to load a P3 beta firmware release:

1. Create a new folder for the beta firmware on your Desktop or some other
easily found location. (Don't use the same folder you use for the regular
firmware release; you may want to keep those files around in case you decide
to go back to that revision.)

2. In a web browser, type in this URL:

   ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta

NOTE: On some computers, it may take some time for a directory of the beta
files to appear.  If you do not see the correct files, press 'refresh' on
your browser to reload the page.

You should see the file: P3-0150_SVGA-0124BETA.zip   If you do not see this
version of the zip file, press the RELOAD / REFRESH button on your browser
to update your browser cache.

3. Right-click on the .zip file containing the beta firmware (e.g.
P3-0150_SVGA-0124BETA.zip). Save the file to your beta folder.

4. Unzip the files into the beta folder.

5. Enter the path to the beta folder in P3 Utility ("Local folder for
firmware files").

6. Make sure you *DO NOT* check the P3 Utility box titled "Copy new files
from Elecraft server".

7. Click on "Check versions now". Your P3 must be connected to the computer
and turned on.

8. Review the release notes (under the "Help" pull-down menu).

9. Click "Send all firmware to P3."

10. Please report any new firmware issues to k3support at elecraft.com


73, 
  
Paul n6hz




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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Aug  3 13:24:30 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 10:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <23F22854-1821-48D9-B72F-443A1FDB9659@gmail.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
	<23F22854-1821-48D9-B72F-443A1FDB9659@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438622670.7389.46.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

Same here Mike, best rig I have ever owned, and well worth the cost.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 08:59 -0700, Mike Flowers wrote:
> Let me just add my 'Amen' to Dave's comments.  
> 
> I went from an IC-756 Pro III to a K3 in 2012 and now run the full K-Line.  
> 
> For me, the K3 is the best rig I've run in my 47 years on the air, and my only regret is that I didn't get a K3 sooner. 
> 
> -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"
> 



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 13:50:30 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Atchison via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:50:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <55BF968F.5000208@cableone.net>
References: <55BF968F.5000208@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55BFA9E6.5040902@aol.com>

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I just had to chime in.

Bought my K3 in 2008.  Was astonished at it's performance.

Bought my IC-7600 in 2010.  Boy, what a beauty of a radio that ICOM is.  
Beauty on the outside; much less stellar on the inside.

I decided I'd keep the ICOM as my backup rig and eventual SO2R "second" 
radio until something better (or a K4) came along.  Most of the past 5 
years it has collected dust because the performance is lacking in 
comparison to the K3.  True A/B switching proved that early on.  It was 
relegated to "that beautiful radio for non-hams to see" status.

Then the K3S comes along and I order one at Dayton.  I have done and 
continue to drink the Elecraft cool-aid.  No other manufacturer has 
given the vast majority of the ham community what they want.  It's all 
about performance; It's what's inside that counts.

I have a pristine IC-7600 for sale if anyone is interested.

73,
Dan



From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:00:17 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:00:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl> <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc02ykq6=PyHhY0gmDvMUh0h=s1gjRPuqgjV30dMvAykng@mail.gmail.com>

Respectfully,

This is not an issue of definition. I'm sure everyone agrees that
on-purpose listening to A-A is not diversity. What they are talking about
is a situational coping mechanism when using diversity as the main
listening mode in a contest.

This occurs in diversity mode when one ear has a very weak desired signal
and the other a very loud undesired signal. My current coping mechanism for
this is to push one headphone bell forward off my ear. It would be better
to temporarily switch to both ears on desired signal, but this is *very*
clumsy using the front panel.

A discussion on how to deal with it would be helpful. Using diversity in
contesting is a newly emerging skill that is only really emerging with
common usage of two receiver K3's.

There needs to be a non-dismissive serious response to these concerns. If
there are hard technical reasons why this should be done external to the K3
it would be good to known these and move on to an external solution. It
does seem though like the straightforward treatment is somewhere inside the
K3 digital number soup.

73, Guy K2AV

On Monday, August 3, 2015, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Arie,
>
> The K3 may be in diversity, but you will only hear in diversity mode when
> the audio is A-b.
> The diversity effect is 'in your head' as your ears naturally pick up the
> differences between the two receivers and your brain figures out which is
> the best to hear.
>
> When you have the audio set to A-A or b-b, you are hearing the audio from
> only one receiver, and by definition, that is not diversity reception.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/3/2015 10:30 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM to copy
>> the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio to A-b
>> listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done in F9-F10-11
>> to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.
>>
>> Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is in
>> diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In diversity
>> the audio is fixed to A-b.
>>
>>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:32:49 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:32:49 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
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	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
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I use the RX ANT button to give me b-b. I have programmed one of the programmable function buttons on the K3 to turn diversity on and off because it is faster than holding the SUB button. I haven't used N1MM macros for this because I don't use N1MM when chasing DX and I find these functions useful outside of contests too.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <pa3a at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Vic,
> 
> I have the macro's  programmed under F9-F10-F11-F12 in N1MM logger.
> The response of the K3 to the F-keys is swift. Switching Diversity on and off etc. is not as quick.
> Do you use macro's for this Vic?
> 
> 
> 73
> Arie
> .
> 
> Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO schreef op 3-8-2015 om 5:35:
>> 
>> What I do is switch antenna connections. My secondary antenna is connected to both the RX ANT and the sub's BNC input. So I can listen to the main + secondary antennas in diversity mode, just the main antenna with diversity off, or just the secondary antenna (regardless of whether diversity is on or off) with the RX ANT switch on.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
> 

From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Mon Aug  3 14:32:30 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:32:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
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I really wonder about ab ab audio in diversity.   That is both rx audio 
in both ears.  The "diversity" comes from the antenna.   What does the 
brain do worse in "diversity" with this ab ab mode of receiving?

Since you can't do it with the current K3 software, where is the A/B 
testing shows the superiority of listening to separate signals in each 
ear.   I suppose there are papers out there on this.

Unlike many,  in split mode I listen to both RX in both ears.   No 
problem.  Adjustment of audio gain optimizes this situation on a per 
station basis.

73 de Brian/K3KO


On 8/3/2015 18:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Respectfully,
>
> This is not an issue of definition. I'm sure everyone agrees that
> on-purpose listening to A-A is not diversity. What they are talking about
> is a situational coping mechanism when using diversity as the main
> listening mode in a contest.
>
> This occurs in diversity mode when one ear has a very weak desired signal
> and the other a very loud undesired signal. My current coping mechanism for
> this is to push one headphone bell forward off my ear. It would be better
> to temporarily switch to both ears on desired signal, but this is *very*
> clumsy using the front panel.
>
> A discussion on how to deal with it would be helpful. Using diversity in
> contesting is a newly emerging skill that is only really emerging with
> common usage of two receiver K3's.
>
> There needs to be a non-dismissive serious response to these concerns. If
> there are hard technical reasons why this should be done external to the K3
> it would be good to known these and move on to an external solution. It
> does seem though like the straightforward treatment is somewhere inside the
> K3 digital number soup.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Monday, August 3, 2015, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Arie,
>>
>> The K3 may be in diversity, but you will only hear in diversity mode when
>> the audio is A-b.
>> The diversity effect is 'in your head' as your ears naturally pick up the
>> differences between the two receivers and your brain figures out which is
>> the best to hear.
>>
>> When you have the audio set to A-A or b-b, you are hearing the audio from
>> only one receiver, and by definition, that is not diversity reception.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 8/3/2015 10:30 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>>
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM to copy
>>> the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio to A-b
>>> listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done in F9-F10-11
>>> to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.
>>>
>>> Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is in
>>> diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In diversity
>>> the audio is fixed to A-b.
>>>
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Mon Aug  3 15:03:05 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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On 8/3/2015 11:36 AM, Al Lorona wrote:
> This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig.
>
> A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.
>   
>
>
How true this is.  I could tell you stories, but nothing good will come 
of it.

Dick,n0ce


From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Mon Aug  3 15:04:36 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:04:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?
In-Reply-To: <EC7E1727-DA95-42E3-8DFB-EB61A269B5F9@carolinaheli.com>
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Hi Jerry et. Al.,
I'm working on it plus a 3rd edition of the K3 book that will have the K3S upgrade parts documented.  It will be a little while yet so I'm reluctant to announce a date that might have to slip (but nobody does that right :-) )

Cheers all and thanks for all the good words on the KE7X books.
73,
Fred KE7X

www.ke7x.com



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Moore
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:27 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] When will the new K3S book be available?

When will the new K3S book be available?

Anyone know?

Tnx in Advance
Jer/AE4PB

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 15:13:07 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:13:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers
	remorse	on	a	K3/K3S purchase?
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I personally don't like that sculpted look, I like the No nonsense look of the K3.Some of the flashy ones are downright goofy looking (those radios look like toys).

That being said. I have no regrets with the K3, it's a nice radio and does what I need it to do.

I've spent a lot more with Elecraft than ?I originally planned, much of that is due to their service after the sale.
I really don't mind spending money with a company knowing they will stand behind their product.




      From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?
   
This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a rig. 

A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet, knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think they call it.


 


>> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:21:13 2015
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:21:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 as a
second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was superior in a few
ways (primarily diversity reception on the low bands); using it I only
missed the panoramic display.  Got the P3, and that was superior.

Conclusion? I ended up selling the IC-7800, buying another K3 and improved
my antenna farm with the proceeds. Net result for me was a better station.

Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of the
K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second and
portable to boot.

Gotta love Elecraft. (yes, I drank the cool-ade).

--73 de Dave, W5SV

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
> I personally don't like that sculpted look, I like the No nonsense look of
> the K3.Some of the flashy ones are downright goofy looking (those radios
> look like toys).
>
> That being said. I have no regrets with the K3, it's a nice radio and does
> what I need it to do.
>
> I've spent a lot more with Elecraft than  I originally planned, much of
> that is due to their service after the sale.
> I really don't mind spending money with a company knowing they will stand
> behind their product.
>
>
>
>
>       From: Al Lorona <alorona at sbcglobal.net>
>  To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>  Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 12:36 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
> on a K3/K3S purchase?
>
> This is true for some people, but many folks can't get past the looks of a
> rig.
>
> A "well-known" ham in Nevada likes to get on 75 meters and when the
> subject of the K3 he once owned (for just a few days) comes up, he loves to
> retell the reasons why he got rid of it. "It looked like it was put
> together with chewing gum," -- which is his way of saying that the cabinet,
> knobs and lights don't have that cool, sculpted, flashy look. For a lot of
> appliance operators, these things are very important. "Eye candy," I think
> they call it.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than
> flash.
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Mon Aug  3 15:26:15 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 14:26:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OK the link is now corrected for the Beverage article
	via my website
Message-ID: <55BFC057.3010209@sunflower.com>


tnx your patience.
> *From:* Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
> *Date:* Monday, August 03, 2015 2:23 PM
> *To:* Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
> *CC:* Phil Anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com>
> *Subject:* trying via email again
> trial
>
> www.midnightscience.com/download%20files/20-Meter-Beverage-Antenna-2015.pdf 
>
>
> OK the above url address to download the file is now working, sorry 
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From pfizenmayer at q.com  Mon Aug  3 15:31:34 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
	ona	K3/K3S purchase?
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Message-ID: <5BCEE04A7272401990ADFA4B8B43D837@HANKPC>

As the "Hot -Rodders " used to say (still may say )  - if it don't run , 
chrome it "

Hank K7HP

-----Original Message----- 
From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse ona 
K3/K3S purchase?

There comes a time when you realize that Functionality is better than flash.



From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:33:18 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 15:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
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	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
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Guy,

Being 'old fashioned', I would build a small box with 2 toggle switches 
to do that function (assuming I wanted it).  That would allow quick 
determination of which audio goes into which ear.  left ear receives 
either A or b, and the other switch does the same for the right ear.
Yes, I would not attempt to use the front panel, but the switch box 
would make instant selections suited to my needs at the time.  A quick 
glance at the toggle switch positions would tell me what I am listening 
to and can be changed more quickly than making such a change inside the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/3/2015 2:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Respectfully,
>
> This is not an issue of definition. I'm sure everyone agrees that 
> on-purpose listening to A-A is not diversity. What they are talking 
> about is a situational coping mechanism when using diversity as the 
> main listening mode in a contest.
>
> This occurs in diversity mode when one ear has a very weak desired 
> signal and the other a very loud undesired signal. My current coping 
> mechanism for this is to push one headphone bell forward off my ear. 
> It would be better to temporarily switch to both ears on desired 
> signal, but this is *very* clumsy using the front panel.
>
> A discussion on how to deal with it would be helpful. Using diversity 
> in contesting is a newly emerging skill that is only really emerging 
> with common usage of two receiver K3's.
>
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 15:38:15 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 12:38:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware for P3TXMON function
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTwock2ig_XujRPMMf4dUMD7=VyFDzkrs2kvYAm8UpKN7A@mail.gmail.com>
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Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as the P3
firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.
73,
Dan AC6DM



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Aug  3 16:31:32 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 15:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
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I tend to agree with  Brian.

However, in my world, "true diversity" is attained from 2 identical 
receivers,  each having a separate antenna in two different locations.  
The source signal is a single transmitter.   The output of each receiver 
is fed to a circuit that determined the best signal-to-noise ratio and a 
couple of other qualitative factors. Then the "best" signal of the two 
was switched to the single output.  That determination and switching, 
all done electronically, could occur several hundred times per second.  
The result is the output signal appeared totally seamless to the 
listener.    There were no A+B or A-B configured signals.  That's 
another methodology.

I would suppose with two receivers, each feeding output to a single ear, 
one could use "brain power" to focus on one or the other of the two 
signals.  I think most would all agree, even today, the "brain filter" 
is still one of the best available.    However, if the receivers aren't 
identical, then the result can seemingly be totally random.   This would 
appear to present a condition where excessive listening fatigue might occur.

A similar method I employed some 25+ years ago was indeed using two 
antennas, one being a HF vertical and one being a  HF horizontal. These 
were configured with a switching network feeding one receiver.  This was 
done during the earlier days of Packet, AMTOR and such modes.  I devised 
a circuit that counted the error correction requests.  After a value of 
N, the system during a receive cycle, switched antennas.    It was 
interesting to watch as signals would fade on one antenna was observed 
to likely rise on the other.  The system greatly enhanced "through put" 
of the data transmissions.    Later I added a transmit power control to 
the system such that the transmitter reduced power in steps until the 
error rates increased.    Again this relied on the error correction 
request from the controller.   The system then stepped the power up in 
steps to a reliable power value.  The objective was to operate at 
minimum power based on propagation etc.  Ahhhh,  the days of "rolling 
your own" equipment and methods.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/3/2015 1:32 PM, brain wrote:
> I really wonder about ab ab audio in diversity.   That is both rx 
> audio in both ears.  The "diversity" comes from the antenna. What does 
> the brain do worse in "diversity" with this ab ab mode of receiving?
>
> Since you can't do it with the current K3 software, where is the A/B 
> testing shows the superiority of listening to separate signals in each 
> ear.   I suppose there are papers out there on this.
>
> Unlike many,  in split mode I listen to both RX in both ears.   No 
> problem.  Adjustment of audio gain optimizes this situation on a per 
> station basis.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
> On 8/3/2015 18:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> This is not an issue of definition. I'm sure everyone agrees that
>> on-purpose listening to A-A is not diversity. What they are talking 
>> about
>> is a situational coping mechanism when using diversity as the main
>> listening mode in a contest.
>>
>> This occurs in diversity mode when one ear has a very weak desired 
>> signal
>> and the other a very loud undesired signal. My current coping 
>> mechanism for
>> this is to push one headphone bell forward off my ear. It would be 
>> better
>> to temporarily switch to both ears on desired signal, but this is *very*
>> clumsy using the front panel.
>>
>> A discussion on how to deal with it would be helpful. Using diversity in
>> contesting is a newly emerging skill that is only really emerging with
>> common usage of two receiver K3's.
>>
>> There needs to be a non-dismissive serious response to these 
>> concerns. If
>> there are hard technical reasons why this should be done external to 
>> the K3
>> it would be good to known these and move on to an external solution. It
>> does seem though like the straightforward treatment is somewhere 
>> inside the
>> K3 digital number soup.
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>> On Monday, August 3, 2015, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Arie,
>>>
>>> The K3 may be in diversity, but you will only hear in diversity mode 
>>> when
>>> the audio is A-b.
>>> The diversity effect is 'in your head' as your ears naturally pick 
>>> up the
>>> differences between the two receivers and your brain figures out 
>>> which is
>>> the best to hear.
>>>
>>> When you have the audio set to A-A or b-b, you are hearing the audio 
>>> from
>>> only one receiver, and by definition, that is not diversity reception.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2015 10:30 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don,
>>>>
>>>> to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM 
>>>> to copy
>>>> the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio to A-b
>>>> listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done in 
>>>> F9-F10-11
>>>> to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.
>>>>
>>>> Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is in
>>>> diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In 
>>>> diversity
>>>> the audio is fixed to A-b.
>>>>
>>>>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 16:43:05 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:43:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Stephen:
Posted this to the wrong thread earlier.

Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as the P3
firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.

See Paul Saffren - N6HZ message on FW loading sent today. 

73,
Dan AC6DM   





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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug  3 17:06:30 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:06:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
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On Mon,8/3/2015 1:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> I tend to agree with  Brian.

I do as well. It's important to realize that a large percentage of 
fading is the result of signals arriving from multiple paths, resulting 
in slightly different travel times from the source. This time difference 
results in phase shift directly proportional to the time difference and 
to the frequency.

When heard on VHF/UHF, we call this "picket fencing," and the fading is 
much more rapid because of the higher frequency/shorter wavelength. On 
the much lower bands (AM broadcast, 160M) we call it selective fading, 
and the time between peaks and nulls is much greater (proportional to 
wavelength differences). Diversity reception for this kind of fading 
depends on antennas at different locations -- the time differences, and 
thus the phase shifts, will be different at the two locations, so a fade 
(strong cancellation) at one location will usually not be a strong 
cancellation at the other.

The most critical thing about diversity is that separation, and keeping 
the two receivers close enough in frequency so that the ear/brain is not 
bothered by the difference in the note.

Another point -- It is generally a bad idea to COMBINE (sum) the outputs 
of the two receivers into a single electrical channel. Two reasons. 
First, as Bob has noted, the ear/brain is really good at choosing 
signals presented to two ears -- that's how we hear directionality, and 
it's how stereo works. Indeed, stereo works on the TIME difference of 
the sound reaching the two ears. Second, if the travel times to the two 
antennas are sufficiently different, the AUDIO signals can be enough 
different in phase and equal in amplitude that they cancel in the 
electrical channel. When the electrical signals are directed separately 
to L and R loudspeakers, there is relatively little cancellation, and 
there is none in headphones with one radio per ear.

I've summarized this from the result of decades of experience with sound 
systems, an extensive study of phychoacoustics (the science of how 
humans hear), as well as from 60 years in ham radio.

73, Jim K9YC

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Aug  3 17:17:37 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Hi,
There seems to be some issues with this release of the firmware.  I have the 
same issues as the others with all of the correct versions of the software 
(1.24 and 1.5).  I also performed a parameter reset.
In addition to the issues reported here, the noise blanker no longer works 
on the SVGA, and the per band settings of the noise blanker are not updated 
on the SVGA display as you change bands.
I guess there should be another iteration?
73 Tom
va2fsq.com



-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware

Stephen:
Posted this to the wrong thread earlier.

Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as the P3
firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.

See Paul Saffren - N6HZ message on FW loading sent today.

73,
Dan AC6DM




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From mhvnmn at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 17:22:35 2015
From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
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Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will not be selling it.

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I saw the pictures of the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new dimension to my hobby.  

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.  As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and sometimes whole words went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.  And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.  

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.  I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference.  I still had all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard.  Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.  If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.   

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  Still all the same issues.  

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what might be wrong.  I did so.  After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems.  (I pointed out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they said "not so".)  

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds periodically.  But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.  (Huh?)  

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft.  But now I have a K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do.  And I have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap meet.  It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day.  The K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.  

So, yes I have buyer's remorse.   But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin, is the finest rig I've ever used.  So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
-- 
Marc   W8SDG  


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 as a
> second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was superior in a few
> ways 
> 
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of the
> K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second 

From ac2ev at frontier.com  Mon Aug  3 17:23:38 2015
From: ac2ev at frontier.com (Don Kiser)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:23:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
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The way I see it you have a few choices and I'll use a car analogy.

You can have the economy car that, sure it can do 70 mph but it's not going to get you there quick and it's not going to be very impressive.

You can go to the opposite and dump a ton of money into a radio that is really flashy and looks really "cool" but in the end you find out it's a "trailer queen" that is all show and now go.

Or you could go the route of the K3. It's a custom job you build the way you want it. In car circles they call it a "sleeper". It doesn't look all that impressive on the outside but the power is where it counts, on the inside. In capable hands it'll beat everything out there and the other 'guy' won't know what happened.

No regrets.

73
Don AC2EV


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 15:38, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers
>    remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 17:28:45 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:28:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Hi Paul,

As you might have expected given other recent responses, MENU+PWR reset
produced no cure unfortunately.

73 Stephen, G4SJP

On 3 August 2015 at 16:50, Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Try performing a parameter reset (MENU+PWR) and see if that fixes the
> problem.  You will lose all your function key settings so you might want to
> write them down beforehand.  Almost all SVGA parameters are saved within
> the
> P3, let me know if the param reset fixes it.
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 17:29:33 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:29:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
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The counter to yet another mechanical outside box is that the ability
to write firmware and update it inserts another very major
possibility, that it can be done in the digital stream without need of
extra cords and boxes.

To use the mechanical box, we must physically route the audio to the
box and plug in the headphones there. We have to mount the box so it
doesn't move around. And worst of all, I have to make it.

My microHam box doesn't treat a/b audio in this manner. "B" audio is
radio 2 with its own stereo audio output. and it labels a pair of
stereo lines RX1 and RX2. That deals with a pair of radios, not
left/right stereo audio switching. So if I actually have two radios
hooked up to it, no way to use it "creatively" to do the tricks just
with the K3 in diversity.

If I take my K3 anywhere else, like NY4A for multi contesting, I lose
the function as what I get at NY4A is main antenna, RX antenna and
power from the station, rather than a double of my now unique home
station.

Putting it in the digital functions makes it instantly portable.

So, understanding your suggestion completely, and with no malice
whatsoever, I decline, and still lean to the future with something
that can be put in a macro stream sent to it from MM+ or whatever. I
CAN take my MM+ macros with embedded K3 program commands.

Feeding the A stream to the b audio just seems to be too easy in
firmware, it's already done for non-diversity.

Use of the diversity hold is problematic because it assumes that the
unwanted half of the headphone audio is in the subRX side.

73, Guy

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Guy,
>
> Being 'old fashioned', I would build a small box with 2 toggle switches to
> do that function (assuming I wanted it).  That would allow quick
> determination of which audio goes into which ear.  left ear receives either
> A or b, and the other switch does the same for the right ear.
> Yes, I would not attempt to use the front panel, but the switch box would
> make instant selections suited to my needs at the time.  A quick glance at
> the toggle switch positions would tell me what I am listening to and can be
> changed more quickly than making such a change inside the K3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 8/3/2015 2:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> This is not an issue of definition. I'm sure everyone agrees that
>> on-purpose listening to A-A is not diversity. What they are talking about is
>> a situational coping mechanism when using diversity as the main listening
>> mode in a contest.
>>
>> This occurs in diversity mode when one ear has a very weak desired signal
>> and the other a very loud undesired signal. My current coping mechanism for
>> this is to push one headphone bell forward off my ear. It would be better to
>> temporarily switch to both ears on desired signal, but this is *very* clumsy
>> using the front panel.
>>
>> A discussion on how to deal with it would be helpful. Using diversity in
>> contesting is a newly emerging skill that is only really emerging with
>> common usage of two receiver K3's.
>>
>>
>

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 17:39:29 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Will add my name to list about no NB on SVGA.  I didn't know that was
supposed to be working. Additionally bringing up the NB Level menu entry
blue screens the SVGA display and shows Tx/Rx Data Font: 0 in the upper
left hand corner.

My ancient data processing bug instincts scream mismatched data position
definitions, but that that's just from an old systems design crank :>)

Did the firmware files get back leveled or something?  This really looks
like something that would have been fixed in house before public release.

73, Guy


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
> There seems to be some issues with this release of the firmware.  I have
> the same issues as the others with all of the correct versions of the
> software (1.24 and 1.5).  I also performed a parameter reset.
> In addition to the issues reported here, the noise blanker no longer works
> on the SVGA, and the per band settings of the noise blanker are not updated
> on the SVGA display as you change bands.
> I guess there should be another iteration?
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
>
> Stephen:
> Posted this to the wrong thread earlier.
>
> Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as the
> P3
> firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
> I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.
>
> See Paul Saffren - N6HZ message on FW loading sent today.
>
> 73,
> Dan AC6DM
>
>
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug  3 17:48:35 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>   But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.

Hi David,

The irony here is that the things you find troubling are all provided by 
microprocessors and DSP within the radios and displays. So you DO have 
computers in the shack, I think I count at least four, and there's a 
separate microprocessor in the SVGA board doing it's own higher 
resolution FFT of the K3 IF. So that makes five. :)

As a side story here -- in 1982, I bought a very expensive, very 
advanced piece of audio instrumentation called a TEF Analyzer. It was 
made by Techron, a division of Crown, and it was dedicated to Time Delay 
Spectrometry. It contained three Z80 microprocessors -- one generated a 
swept oscillator to excite the sound system, a second a swept oscillator 
for analysis of the received signal, and the third operated as a 
computer to control the other two and provide a user interface. The user 
interface was written in SBASIC, so that advanced users could write 
their own code, and I once took a class to learn the fundamentals of 
doing so.

The operating system was CP/M, similar to DOS, and it ran DOS programs 
like word processors, databases, and spreadsheets, and I used it for all 
three functions in my small business. It was my second programmable 
computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.

73, Jim K9YC

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Aug  3 17:53:27 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:53:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438634585978-7605815.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5AE7D421B3C54C88963E965A6B8F6572@tomsPC>
	<CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C69B73B49E4F1B9BBDF58E1DC2463B@tomsPC>

Hi,
Funny thing, the SVGA noise blanker and a number of other items were added in a January release of the beta software.  I recall it was working, but there has been no production release since then except for this new beta version.
I hope that with the new K3S there is a little more commitment to the P3.
73 Tom
From: Guy Olinger K2AV
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:39 PM
To: Tom
Cc: Dan Maase AC6DM ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware

Will add my name to list about no NB on SVGA.  I didn't know that was supposed to be working. Additionally bringing up the NB Level menu entry blue screens the SVGA display and shows Tx/Rx Data Font: 0 in the upper left hand corner.

My ancient data processing bug instincts scream mismatched data position definitions, but that that's just from an old systems design crank :>)

Did the firmware files get back leveled or something?  This really looks like something that would have been fixed in house before public release.

73, Guy


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

  Hi,
  There seems to be some issues with this release of the firmware.  I have the same issues as the others with all of the correct versions of the software (1.24 and 1.5).  I also performed a parameter reset.
  In addition to the issues reported here, the noise blanker no longer works on the SVGA, and the per band settings of the noise blanker are not updated on the SVGA display as you change bands.
  I guess there should be another iteration?
  73 Tom
  va2fsq.com



  -----Original Message----- From: Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:43 PM
  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware

  Stephen:
  Posted this to the wrong thread earlier.

  Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as the P3
  firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
  I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.

  See Paul Saffren - N6HZ message on FW loading sent today.

  73,
  Dan AC6DM




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From lists at subich.com  Mon Aug  3 17:57:56 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:57:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3mRXX1j6A0x4c4GPHdOD1xYHY=u_XLPV7t-KkqotRwtg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl> <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
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 > My microHam box doesn't treat a/b audio in this manner. "B" audio is
 > radio 2 with its own stereo audio output. and it labels a pair of
 > stereo lines RX1 and RX2.

*Single radio* microHAM interfaces do *nothing* with headphone audio.

The microHAM MK2R+ (SO2R controller) can be programmed to switch any
combination of Radio 1 Left, Radio 1 Right, Radio 2 Left, Radio 2
Right, *unused* sound card Left, *unused* sound card right to the
user's left and/or right earphones.  The programming uses microHAM's
proprietary command language available to legitimate developers under
NDA.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-08-03 5:29 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> The counter to yet another mechanical outside box is that the ability
> to write firmware and update it inserts another very major
> possibility, that it can be done in the digital stream without need of
> extra cords and boxes.
>
> To use the mechanical box, we must physically route the audio to the
> box and plug in the headphones there. We have to mount the box so it
> doesn't move around. And worst of all, I have to make it.
>
> My microHam box doesn't treat a/b audio in this manner. "B" audio is
> radio 2 with its own stereo audio output. and it labels a pair of
> stereo lines RX1 and RX2. That deals with a pair of radios, not
> left/right stereo audio switching. So if I actually have two radios
> hooked up to it, no way to use it "creatively" to do the tricks just
> with the K3 in diversity.
>
> If I take my K3 anywhere else, like NY4A for multi contesting, I lose
> the function as what I get at NY4A is main antenna, RX antenna and
> power from the station, rather than a double of my now unique home
> station.
>
> Putting it in the digital functions makes it instantly portable.
>
> So, understanding your suggestion completely, and with no malice
> whatsoever, I decline, and still lean to the future with something
> that can be put in a macro stream sent to it from MM+ or whatever. I
> CAN take my MM+ macros with embedded K3 program commands.
>
> Feeding the A stream to the b audio just seems to be too easy in
> firmware, it's already done for non-diversity.
>
> Use of the diversity hold is problematic because it assumes that the
> unwanted half of the headphone audio is in the subRX side.
>
> 73, Guy
>

From ron at midwin.com  Mon Aug  3 18:12:29 2015
From: ron at midwin.com (Ron Midwin)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 15:12:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 wanted
Message-ID: <CALjiLsVgpJObux3MpHSW=LTY74-Gej7BUWd1zWqTrtgZQve6pw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for an XG2 oscillator, working.

KB6G at arrl.net


Ron Midwin
424-645-7490
ron at midwin.com

From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 18:26:40 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:26:40 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <F6C69B73B49E4F1B9BBDF58E1DC2463B@tomsPC>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5AE7D421B3C54C88963E965A6B8F6572@tomsPC>
	<CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I reported at the time (January I think) that the SVGA NB status wasn't
being saved.  That appears to be still the case here.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 3 August 2015 at 22:53, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
> Funny thing, the SVGA noise blanker and a number of other items were added
> in a January release of the beta software.  I recall it was working, but
> there has been no production release since then except for this new beta
> version.
> I hope that with the new K3S there is a little more commitment to the P3.
> 73 Tom
> From: Guy Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:39 PM
> To: Tom
> Cc: Dan Maase AC6DM ; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
>
> Will add my name to list about no NB on SVGA.  I didn't know that was
> supposed to be working. Additionally bringing up the NB Level menu entry
> blue screens the SVGA display and shows Tx/Rx Data Font: 0 in the upper
> left hand corner.
>
> My ancient data processing bug instincts scream mismatched data position
> definitions, but that that's just from an old systems design crank :>)
>
> Did the firmware files get back leveled or something?  This really looks
> like something that would have been fixed in house before public release.
>
> 73, Guy
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>   There seems to be some issues with this release of the firmware.  I have
> the same issues as the others with all of the correct versions of the
> software (1.24 and 1.5).  I also performed a parameter reset.
>   In addition to the issues reported here, the noise blanker no longer
> works on the SVGA, and the per band settings of the noise blanker are not
> updated on the SVGA display as you change bands.
>   I guess there should be another iteration?
>   73 Tom
>   va2fsq.com
>
>
>
>   -----Original Message----- From: Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft
>   Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:43 PM
>   To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
>
>   Stephen:
>   Posted this to the wrong thread earlier.
>
>   Have you loaded the new SVGA firmware 1.24?  You need this as well as
> the P3
>   firmware 1.50 for the SVGA to function correctly.
>   I've installed both and have not observed the problems reported.
>
>   See Paul Saffren - N6HZ message on FW loading sent today.
>
>   73,
>   Dan AC6DM
>
>
>
>
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From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 18:39:31 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <F6C69B73B49E4F1B9BBDF58E1DC2463B@tomsPC>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>	<1438634585978-7605815.post@n2.nabble.com>	<5AE7D421B3C54C88963E965A6B8F6572@tomsPC>	<CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6C69B73B49E4F1B9BBDF58E1DC2463B@tomsPC>
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Let's all not loose sight that this release is a B E T A.   There will
be bugs.  There will be another release.  Feedback regarding issues
found is what the developers want out of this cycle.   We are lucky
Elecraft has decided to run a public beta cycle.   Typically, beta
releases are released to far fewer testers, for a longer period of time.
  Beta testers know that it isn't a Production release and don't expect
it to be ready for prime time.   If you are having issues and need the
P3 fully operational to pre-P3TXMON conditions, then the production
release can be flashed back into the P3 and you are back in business.

The obvious reason to run a public beta is to get a larger surface
area...so that the issues can be identified more quickly and the
developers can knock the bugs out more rapidly and get to a Production
status rapidly.    The commitment to quality goes untarnished in my eyes.

Many of us don't yet even have the P3TXMON hardware so we are yet to
jump in with feedback.   When UPS comes by, I'll be pushing all the
buttons and helping make the P3 as perfect as it can be.

Warren, KD4Z
K3 8902, KX3 1366

On 8/3/2015 5:53 PM, Tom wrote:
> Hi,
> Funny thing, the SVGA noise blanker and a number of other items were added in a January release of the beta software.  I recall it was working, but there has been no production release since then except for this new beta version.
> I hope that with the new K3S there is a little more commitment to the P3.
> 73 Tom
>


From pauls at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 18:48:12 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 15:48:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+vZ_+JNTnfHGQJmKM-UdTefM57-Rv7av_oNanX8VXk+r1+ajQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438634585978-7605815.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5AE7D421B3C54C88963E965A6B8F6572@tomsPC>
	<CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438642092064-7605829.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Guy, 

The issue you are reporting with the SVGA screen going blue and showing the
Rx/Tx window size can happen if you didn't upgrade the SVGA to 1.24 .   The
SVGA noise blanker was added in 1.24 .  (actually it was put out as a beta
earlier, but we pulled it back to fix some other issues).  

Can you verify that the SVGA is at 1.24 (do that in the SVGA submenu) and
let me know.  My email is pauls at you know where dot come. 

-Paul



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 19:11:55 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:11:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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	<5AE7D421B3C54C88963E965A6B8F6572@tomsPC>
	<CANckpc0JVAx0aGfRPECzc_GrRWqAPK46r-E6Dghq752d2s0CEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438642092064-7605829.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1438643515624-7605830.post@n2.nabble.com>

Guys:

While I don't really see much benefit from NB, it does seem to work same on
P3 and SVGA.
NB text is upper right corner as expected.
SVGA displays fill below peak level as configured -- no change in behavior
here.
My display resolution is 1024 x 768.  Wonder if there is a memory mapping
problem with higher resolutions?

Dan
AC6DM



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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Mon Aug  3 21:01:48 2015
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:01:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] thank you
Message-ID: <000201d0ce51$243a0780$6cae1680$@verizon.net>

Eric & Wayne,

 

Please thank the following folks for a great kit building experience.  These
are the names from the many "This subassembly packed by" labels in each
carefully packed envelope of very small parts and numerous PC boards in my
new K3S. Their attention to detail is obvious despite what is probably very
tedious work.

 

Carrie

Erica

Stephanie

Johanna

Sabrina

Jashmin

Jun

Oscar

Leony

 

73, Ian N8IK 

 


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 21:04:47 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:04:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - still in trouble with new firmware
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Rechecking stuff for Paul at Elecraft. I think the last P3 upgrade I did
was a "Send All New Firmware". When I checked just now I had 1.24 SVGA in
the firmware available list but the menu display said I was running 1.16
SVGA. I had loaded 1.50 for the P3. Now rerunning the load firmware, but
using a copy ALL firmware action. The FPGA stuff takes quite a while.

         ......

OK, that fixed it. Now have 1.24 showing in SVGA firmware menu item. Have
NB in upper right hand corner of  screen.

I may have screwed up the firmware load, but shouldn't "Send All New
Firmware" have sent 1.24 over in the same session that loaded 1.50? I just
turned on the firmware install and then went and did something else. Wasn't
watching it.

I used the SVGA all through the NAQP contest and the SVGA performed
brilliantly. Hugely useful. But it is clear I was using firmware 1.16.

I guess my bad on the earlier firmware load.

73, Guy K2AV


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Guys:
>
> While I don't really see much benefit from NB, it does seem to work same on
> P3 and SVGA.
> NB text is upper right corner as expected.
> SVGA displays fill below peak level as configured -- no change in behavior
> here.
> My display resolution is 1024 x 768.  Wonder if there is a memory mapping
> problem with higher resolutions?
>
> Dan
> AC6DM
>
>
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 21:06:12 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:06:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] thank you
In-Reply-To: <000201d0ce51$243a0780$6cae1680$@verizon.net>
References: <000201d0ce51$243a0780$6cae1680$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <0A7F9F9A-A931-4250-B329-7FB19861325B@elecraft.com>

You're welcome, Ian, on behalf of our staff. Hope you enjoy using the new rig!

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:01 PM, "Ian" <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Please thank the following folks for a great kit building experience.  These
> are the names from the many "This subassembly packed by" labels in each
> carefully packed envelope of very small parts and numerous PC boards in my
> new K3S. Their attention to detail is obvious despite what is probably very
> tedious work.
> 
> 
> 
> Carrie
> 
> Erica
> 
> Stephanie
> 
> Johanna
> 
> Sabrina
> 
> Jashmin
> 
> Jun
> 
> Oscar
> 
> Leony
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ian N8IK 




From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 21:22:42 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:22:42 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] thank you
In-Reply-To: <000201d0ce51$243a0780$6cae1680$@verizon.net>
References: <000201d0ce51$243a0780$6cae1680$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPVxhKshPVxLkWyqTYcS2OfkqS1pYs4L0kcGCQAQpvLGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Such a nice gesture, Ian !  (:-))

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 3, 2015 7:02 PM, "Ian" <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Eric & Wayne,
>
>
>
> Please thank the following folks for a great kit building experience.
> These
> are the names from the many "This subassembly packed by" labels in each
> carefully packed envelope of very small parts and numerous PC boards in my
> new K3S. Their attention to detail is obvious despite what is probably very
> tedious work.
>
>
>
> Carrie
>
> Erica
>
> Stephanie
>
> Johanna
>
> Sabrina
>
> Jashmin
>
> Jun
>
> Oscar
>
> Leony
>
>
>
> 73, Ian N8IK
>
>
>
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Mon Aug  3 21:22:51 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:22:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] thank you
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Seconding that wonderful thought from the home of K3S #10125, born 3pm, Saturday, July 25th (that?s the moment where you power up and nothing pops and smokes. :?) ). Amazing detail. Superb customer service. Five stars. 

David A., KC0XT, Los Angeles

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Ian <ik7565 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Eric & Wayne,
> 
> 
> 
> Please thank the following folks for a great kit building experience.  These
> are the names from the many "This subassembly packed by" labels in each
> carefully packed envelope of very small parts and numerous PC boards in my
> new K3S. Their attention to detail is obvious despite what is probably very
> tedious work.
> 
> 
> 
> Carrie
> 
> Erica
> 
> Stephanie
> 
> Johanna
> 
> Sabrina
> 
> Jashmin
> 
> Jun
> 
> Oscar
> 
> Leony
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Ian N8IK 
> 
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Aug  3 21:39:19 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 18:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.33: Diversity mode
	works with mixed filters; "Safe" option for PTT-KEY via USB; etc.
Message-ID: <6FB4FCE9-024A-4FE1-8B14-D294E67C0E1F@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

K3/K3S beta firmware rev. 5.33 is now available on our K3 software page. This release corrects a problem with diversity mode when used with the KSYN3A synthesizer; now, any combination of crystal filters can be used on the main and sub receivers. It also improves the way PTT and KEY activation work via the new USB port on the K3S.

In addition, there are a few important enhancements for K3/K3S software application developers. In conjunction with this, we've posted a new edition of the K3S/K3/KX3 Programmer's Reference (rev. F2).

See release notes below for full details. For instructions on installing beta releases, refer to our K3 software page.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 5.33 / DSP 2.86 / FPF 1.23, 8-3-2015

* DIVERSITY WORKS WITH MISMATCHED MAIN/SUB RX FILTERS:  Diversity mode in the K3S (or a K3 with the KSYN3A installed) now works with any combination of main/sub RX crystal filters. They can have different bandwidths or offsets, and it's not necessary to have an equal number of filters in each receiver. Note: Matched filters are optimal for diversity, but non-matched filters will still perform well.

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

* CANCELLING UNEXPECTED PTT-KEY ACTIVATION:  If an external source (usually a PC) activates PTT or KEY unexpectedly, you can cancel transmit by tapping the XMIT switch. This will show ERR KEY or ERR PTT on VFO B. Once the PTT or KEY source as been removed, transmit will be re-enabled. If the cause may be unneeded PTT-KEY activation via the USB port, go into the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu entry and set the parameter to OFF-OFF.

For Application Developers (also see Programmer's Reference, rev. F2):

* PARAMETER ADJUSTMENT VIA "UP" and "DN" COMMANDS:  UP and DN now apply to all settings adjusted using VFO A/B, including: NB, NR, manual notch, pitch, and text decode . (It also still applies to the menu.) It does NOT apply to special displays controlled by VFO B (use DB), or to settings controlled by the small encoders.

* OM (OPTION MODULE) COMMAND CHANGES:  Three new single-letter fields have been added to the OM command:  'L' (low-noise amp/preamp2 available on present band), 'V' (KSYN3A installed, allowing the VFO to tune down to 100 kHz), and 'R' (K3S RF board in use; see impact on RA command, below). Note that 'L' (preamp 2) only applies on 12/10/6 meters. Preamp 2 is located on the new KXV3B module.

* RA (ATTENUATOR) COMMAND FORMAT CHANGE: If a K3S RF board is in use (determined using the OM command, above), the set/response format of the RA command uses dB values  (RA00/05/10/15). The K3 format is still RA00/01. Note:  5 and 15 dB attenuator settings only apply to the main RX. The sub RX attenuator is 10 dB, even in the K3S. But if a K3S RF board is detected, the sub RX RA format is RA00/10. 


From k4zrj at icloud.com  Mon Aug  3 21:58:38 2015
From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
Message-ID: <B7C00E75-F072-41CA-8138-4AC0CEBFCB91@icloud.com>

Just received the P3TXMON and installed same. Updated firmware to 1.50. Now I notice the -dBm scale on the left of the display has the increments always ending with a 9. So, I have -79, -99, -119, etc. Previous firmware 1.29 had the -dBm scale numbers ending with a 0 such as -70, -80, -90, etc.

I seem to recall this issue in a previous firmware version some time (maybe a few years) ago. 

Anyone else notice this?

P3 does not have SVGA option, BTW.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 22:31:51 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:31:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyer's remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <019e01d0ce5d$b962ba80$2c282f80$@yahoo.com>

My only remorse was deciding to buy a loaded K3 two months before the K3S
came out...

But, such is life.

The true advantage is that Elecraft keeps their current users in mind when
they design new equipment.  Upgrades are indeed possible for older units.

I say that as I bid my K3 farewell on its 5 week voyage (1 week each way,
with approximately 3 wks of turn-around time) to the left coast for
upgrades.

I was asked about 10 years ago to moderate the Elecraft_K3 list, even though
I didn't own one.  So, I've at least been a part of the community for some
time.  I finally decided to become a participant-but my timing was two
months off :-( !

During that time, I have never seen a company that is not only USA based,
but has customer service that is better than I've seen anywhere.  That, and
the desire to keep their radio on the top of the heap while respecting their
longtime customers by offering upgrades.

Elecraft deserves our business!

'73 de JIM N2ZZ


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian -
Ham
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 9:13 AM
To: 'Jerry Moore'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Jerry,

I don't regret for one minute any of my Elecraft purchases. I bought my
K3/P3 used several years ago, then added the KAT500 and KPA500 later as
resources allowed. I also had a W2 wattmeter for several years, which I sold
after it became extraneous to my needs. I also use the T1 QRP tuner with my
FT-817 when I operate portable.

I've been very happy with all the Elecraft gear I own.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688,
KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
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Moore
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

 

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

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From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 22:33:56 2015
From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 22:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
In-Reply-To: <B7C00E75-F072-41CA-8138-4AC0CEBFCB91@icloud.com>
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Yes, same observed here.

73, Tony K4QE
P3/wSVGA #2058

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Charles Johnson <k4zrj at icloud.com> wrote:

> Just received the P3TXMON and installed same. Updated firmware to 1.50.
> Now I notice the -dBm scale on the left of the display has the increments
> always ending with a 9. So, I have -79, -99, -119, etc. Previous firmware
> 1.29 had the -dBm scale numbers ending with a 0 such as -70, -80, -90, etc.
>
> I seem to recall this issue in a previous firmware version some time
> (maybe a few years) ago.
>
> Anyone else notice this?
>
> P3 does not have SVGA option, BTW.
>
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Aug  3 22:48:25 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (k6dgw)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 19:48:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>


    
While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you. ?Sort of like a K3.
73,
Fred K6DGW?Sparks NV?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00) 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
  K3/K3S purchase? 

On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>?? But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.

Hi David,
It was my second programmable 
computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.

73, Jim K9YC
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From bbaines at mac.com  Mon Aug  3 23:04:03 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 23:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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Fred:

I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?

FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?


73,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
> 73,
> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
> Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00) 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
>  K3/K3S purchase? 
> 
> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>    But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> 
> Hi David,
> It was my second programmable 
> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug  3 23:09:21 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Dan Maase AC6DM via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:09:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
In-Reply-To: <B7C00E75-F072-41CA-8138-4AC0CEBFCB91@icloud.com>
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Yes, same here. Notified Paul Saffren.

73,
Dan
AC6DM



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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 23:31:08 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 03:31:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <5h2vra9vcajo5nup3ncr1rq37mmgus7jq7@4ax.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1438614876.7389.29.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
	<5h2vra9vcajo5nup3ncr1rq37mmgus7jq7@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.AE6D9EE7-C92E-4057-ACA3-C7E94E2C3790@mail.outlook.com>

A better solution than disabling AGC altogether may be to customize it to your needs. The K3 AGC is very configurable. The following article on Don's webpage is very informative:http://www.w3fpr.com/K3_AGC.htm
Also, I would suggest checking out Fred Cady's book on K3 or KX3. I'd be quite surprised if Fred didn't do a full write-up on AGC configuration, together with some nice diagrams.

73, Matt VK2RQ




On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM -0700, "Matt Zilmer" <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:











Dave,

Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM.  This function will
limit audio out when AGC is disabled.  I run mine around 20.

It will save your hearing!

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:

>Jerry,
>
>I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
>bit!  

>My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
>section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
>within my passband, my ears get nailed big time...  There needs to be an
>audio limiter on my rig...  
>
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Aug  3 23:41:38 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 19:41:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
Message-ID: <201508040341.t743fcsw002710@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Interesting statements from  both Bob-K4TAX and Jim-K9YC.  In both 
cases they were addressing modes that one "hears" such as CW or voice 
(SSB/AM/FM).  I remember the commercial systems that used satellite 
Rx and "voted" the best SNR signal to be passed to the audio 
channel.  And I also agree with the notion of listening to each 
channel of a two RX diversity receivers sent to one's ears giving a 
stereo "spacial" effect which the brain quickly adapts to.

However it is not always bad for the two diversity channels to be 
combined for best signal.  The example is digital signals which the 
human brain cannot process.  The example was given of using two 
antennas of differing polarity for HF.  The two signals received will 
have orthogonal information which a computer program can process 
(very similar to how I and Q signals are processed).

The phase angle can be recovered and the sum of the two signals 
combined for best SNR signal.  MAP65 does exactly that when fed by 
two diversity Rx tied to the same LO so both phase and intensity info 
reflect the polarity of the received signal.  That's how my 2m 
adaptive polarity receiving system works (and the K3 + KRX3 are 
central in my diversity system).

I know of CW eme operators who use dual-pol diversity Rx and listen 
to the signal using the A/B setup cited.  As the signal changes 
polarity it seems to move around the room (stereo effect).

At present there are two dual-pol diversity receiving systems 
available for eme:
1.  My system that uses the K3 as central Rx, and
2.  The IQ+ which is a 2m dual channel SDR with direct conversion to baseband.

I believe I am the only one in the world currently using the K3 in 
this application (mainly due to lack of dual-channel transverters; I 
have a custom-made DEMI L144-28HP-DRX).

So many ways to enjoy diversity reception!

73, Ed - KL7UW
---------------------------------
On Mon,8/3/2015 1:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
 > I tend to agree with  Brian.

I do as well. It's important to realize that a large percentage of
fading is the result of signals arriving from multiple paths, resulting
in slightly different travel times from the source. This time difference
results in phase shift directly proportional to the time difference and
to the frequency.

When heard on VHF/UHF, we call this "picket fencing," and the fading is
much more rapid because of the higher frequency/shorter wavelength. On
the much lower bands (AM broadcast, 160M) we call it selective fading,
and the time between peaks and nulls is much greater (proportional to
wavelength differences). Diversity reception for this kind of fading
depends on antennas at different locations -- the time differences, and
thus the phase shifts, will be different at the two locations, so a fade
(strong cancellation) at one location will usually not be a strong
cancellation at the other.

The most critical thing about diversity is that separation, and keeping
the two receivers close enough in frequency so that the ear/brain is not
bothered by the difference in the note.

Another point -- It is generally a bad idea to COMBINE (sum) the outputs
of the two receivers into a single electrical channel. Two reasons.
First, as Bob has noted, the ear/brain is really good at choosing
signals presented to two ears -- that's how we hear directionality, and
it's how stereo works. Indeed, stereo works on the TIME difference of
the sound reaching the two ears. Second, if the travel times to the two
antennas are sufficiently different, the AUDIO signals can be enough
different in phase and equal in amplitude that they cancel in the
electrical channel. When the electrical signals are directed separately
to L and R loudspeakers, there is relatively little cancellation, and
there is none in headphones with one radio per ear.

I've summarized this from the result of decades of experience with sound
systems, an extensive study of phychoacoustics (the science of how
humans hear), as well as from 60 years in ham radio.

73, Jim K9YC


73, Ed - KL7UW
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From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Aug  3 23:54:24 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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Thanks Matt, I will look at it!
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On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 03:31 +0000, Matt Maguire wrote:
> A better solution than disabling AGC altogether may be to customize it
> to your needs. The K3 AGC is very configurable. The following article
> on Don's webpage is very informative:
> http://www.w3fpr.com/K3_AGC.htm
> 
> 
> Also, I would suggest checking out Fred Cady's book on K3 or KX3. I'd
> be quite surprised if Fred didn't do a full write-up on AGC
> configuration, together with some nice diagrams.
> 
> 73, Matt VK2RQ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM -0700, "Matt Zilmer"
> <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
>         Dave,
>         
>         Look in the owner's manual for CONFIG: AF LIM.  This function will
>         limit audio out when AGC is disabled.  I run mine around 20.
>         
>         It will save your hearing!
>         
>         73,
>         matt
>         W6NIA
>         
>         
>         On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 08:14:36 -0700, you wrote:
>         
>         >Jerry,
>         >
>         >I don't regret selling my 756 PRO III, and replacing it with the K3 one
>         >bit!  
>         
>         >My only complaint about the rig is the dynamic range in the audio
>         >section... If I have the AGC off, and one of my neighbors comes up
>         >within my passband, my ears get nailed big time...  There needs to be an
>         >audio limiter on my rig...  
>         >
>         Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
>         --
>         "Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein
>         
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From dk4ww at gmx.net  Tue Aug  4 00:11:57 2015
From: dk4ww at gmx.net (Uwe Pobel)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 06:11:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] diversity and combining
Message-ID: <trinity-343da395-28cf-479b-8985-d6f78d81c78b-1438661517383@msvc-mesg-gmx007>

http://web.stanford.edu/class/ee360/previous/lectures/lecture11.pdf


http:\\www.dk5ya.de/newtower14.html


73
Uwe
Dk4ww

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Aug  4 00:32:33 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:32:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
In-Reply-To: <201508040341.t743fcsw002710@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508040341.t743fcsw002710@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <55C04061.8000905@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,8/3/2015 8:41 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> However it is not always bad for the two diversity channels to be 
> combined for best signal.  The example is digital signals which the 
> human brain cannot process.  The example was given of using two 
> antennas of differing polarity for HF. 

Combining, yes -- into different inputs of the analysis system. Again, 
when signals combine IN THE SAME SIGNAL CHANNEL (emphasis added) 
differences in the time/phase response of the two signal paths can cause 
destructive interference which degrades decoding.

OTOH, in a sophisticated decoding system, there's certainly nothing 
wrong with bring both signals in on separate inputs, then combining 
them, or choosing the best signal, or even processing the signals to 
enhance readability. But ONLY combining them on a single electrical 
channel is a bad idea.

One of my neighbors (near Santa Cruz) has a VERY interesting UHF 
repeater system. It's multi-site(five sites going on six),voted (meaning 
that the RX with the best signal is transmitted), and simulcast (all 
sites transmit at the same time). To make this work, Bboth audio and RF 
are synchronized to the Hz using a GPS reference and some really 
innovative use of low cost audio and networking gear. If you're 
interested, look at wb6ece.org, especially the Technical Info page, 
where there's video and audio of a talk that KA6SQG did at Pacificon 
about his system (WB6ECE is his dad's call). The audio is not well 
recorded, so you'll need headphones for good copy.

73, Jim K9YC

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 01:02:15 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:02:15 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
In-Reply-To: <55C04061.8000905@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <201508040341.t743fcsw002710@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<55C04061.8000905@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55C04757.2@gmail.com>

I use diversity (vertically and horizontally polarized antennas) on CW a 
lot, and there's more to it than just selecting the louder signal. I 
can't put my finger on the precise mechanism, but it seems that CW 
characters are less prone to being damaged by bursts of QRN in diversity 
mode.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 4 Aug 2015 07:32, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,8/3/2015 8:41 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> However it is not always bad for the two diversity channels to be
>> combined for best signal.  The example is digital signals which the
>> human brain cannot process.  The example was given of using two
>> antennas of differing polarity for HF.
>
> Combining, yes -- into different inputs of the analysis system. Again,
> when signals combine IN THE SAME SIGNAL CHANNEL (emphasis added)
> differences in the time/phase response of the two signal paths can cause
> destructive interference which degrades decoding.
>
> OTOH, in a sophisticated decoding system, there's certainly nothing
> wrong with bring both signals in on separate inputs, then combining
> them, or choosing the best signal, or even processing the signals to
> enhance readability. But ONLY combining them on a single electrical
> channel is a bad idea.
>
> One of my neighbors (near Santa Cruz) has a VERY interesting UHF
> repeater system. It's multi-site(five sites going on six),voted (meaning
> that the RX with the best signal is transmitted), and simulcast (all
> sites transmit at the same time). To make this work, Bboth audio and RF
> are synchronized to the Hz using a GPS reference and some really
> innovative use of low cost audio and networking gear. If you're
> interested, look at wb6ece.org, especially the Technical Info page,
> where there's video and audio of a talk that KA6SQG did at Pacificon
> about his system (WB6ECE is his dad's call). The audio is not well
> recorded, so you'll need headphones for good copy.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From gfrazer at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 04:02:45 2015
From: gfrazer at gmail.com (George Frazer)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:02:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
Message-ID: <CAJN3UTDGQk-DPPh6ScGtrR8WEAFqwifF6wvfU49TJmJ6oi5FBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I have also upgraded to 1.50 as I am waiting for the P3TX to arrive and
the dbm scale is now ending in 9 as well.

No SVGA module fitted

73

George GI4SJQ

From n1ix at n1ix.com  Tue Aug  4 05:32:20 2015
From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 05:32:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/10
Message-ID: <03e501d0ce98$7660a360$6321ea20$@n1ix.com>

 

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From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Tue Aug  4 05:42:26 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:42:26 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl> <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C08902.6050903@xs4all.nl>

Don,

I know what diversity is Don, and I use it as you describe.
It just happens that I sometimes need to concentrate on one channel only 
to make the QSO. That's where the A-A en b-b come into play. After 
finishing and logging the QSO,  I switch the K3 back into A-b with one 
simple keystroke F9.


73
Arie


Don Wilhelm schreef op 3-8-2015 om 17:05:
> Arie,
>
> The K3 may be in diversity, but you will only hear in diversity mode 
> when the audio is A-b.
> The diversity effect is 'in your head' as your ears naturally pick up 
> the differences between the two receivers and your brain figures out 
> which is the best to hear.
>
> When you have the audio set to A-A or b-b, you are hearing the audio 
> from only one receiver, and by definition, that is not diversity 
> reception.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/3/2015 10:30 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote:
>> Don,
>>
>> to set things up, I use a macro programmed in the F12-key in N1MM to 
>> copy the freq/mode/BW  From A to B,  switch on the SubRx, set audio 
>> to A-b listening and Link the VFO's. Switching of the audio is done 
>> in F9-F10-11 to A-b, A-A, or b-b respectively.
>>
>> Of course I would like that I could switch the audio when the K3 is 
>> in diversity mode, but That cannot be done in current Firmware. In 
>> diversity the audio is fixed to A-b.
>>
>
>


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Tue Aug  4 05:59:24 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:59:24 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Linked VFO's -- usage?
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3mRXX1j6A0x4c4GPHdOD1xYHY=u_XLPV7t-KkqotRwtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>
	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>
	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl> <55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>
	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl> <55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc02ykq6=PyHhY0gmDvMUh0h=s1gjRPuqgjV30dMvAykng@mail.gmail.com>
	<55BFC1FE.6000705@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc3mRXX1j6A0x4c4GPHdOD1xYHY=u_XLPV7t-KkqotRwtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C08CFC.2080601@xs4all.nl>

Thanks for your support Guy.
I have addressed this subject several times in the past (with no 
success). I often use diversity in contests  (ever since I have my K3, 
which carries #1255).

Now that the K3 runs the diversity form one VFO and the problem of the 
filter offsets seems to be solved, this is the last thing to improve.

73
Arie PA3A

Guy Olinger K2AV schreef op 3-8-2015 om 23:29:
> The counter to yet another mechanical outside box is that the ability
> to write firmware and update it inserts another very major
> possibility, that it can be done in the digital stream without need of
> extra cords and boxes.
>
> To use the mechanical box, we must physically route the audio to the
> box and plug in the headphones there. We have to mount the box so it
> doesn't move around. And worst of all, I have to make it.
>
> My microHam box doesn't treat a/b audio in this manner. "B" audio is
> radio 2 with its own stereo audio output. and it labels a pair of
> stereo lines RX1 and RX2. That deals with a pair of radios, not
> left/right stereo audio switching. So if I actually have two radios
> hooked up to it, no way to use it "creatively" to do the tricks just
> with the K3 in diversity.
>
> If I take my K3 anywhere else, like NY4A for multi contesting, I lose
> the function as what I get at NY4A is main antenna, RX antenna and
> power from the station, rather than a double of my now unique home
> station.
>
> Putting it in the digital functions makes it instantly portable.
>
> So, understanding your suggestion completely, and with no malice
> whatsoever, I decline, and still lean to the future with something
> that can be put in a macro stream sent to it from MM+ or whatever. I
> CAN take my MM+ macros with embedded K3 program commands.
>
> Feeding the A stream to the b audio just seems to be too easy in
> firmware, it's already done for non-diversity.
>
> Use of the diversity hold is problematic because it assumes that the
> unwanted half of the headphone audio is in the subRX side.
>
> 73, Guy
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Tue Aug  4 06:20:08 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:20:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
In-Reply-To: <55BFCFA4.8030003@blomand.net>
References: <20150801135828.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.0190468b21.wbe@email09.secureserver.net>	<83789F8C-7E56-4DA0-840B-B9FE15776E4F@elecraft.com>	<55BE2A6D.2060301@xs4all.nl>
	<55BE4DFF.8030403@embarqmail.com>	<55BF7AFC.50108@xs4all.nl>
	<55BF8349.3080507@embarqmail.com>	<CANckpc02ykq6=PyHhY0gmDvMUh0h=s1gjRPuqgjV30dMvAykng@mail.gmail.com>	<55BFB3BE.5040403@nc.rr.com>
	<55BFCFA4.8030003@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C091D8.2060405@xs4all.nl>

Bob,

This is how I often use the diversity of my K3 (it has the sub RX, and 
similar filters in Man and Sub RX)
- on 20m: one 3-el beam to NW on Main and a 5-el mono to NE on Sub
- on 160m: vertical on Main and receive 4-square on Sub
- on 40m: 3 el beam on Main, vertical on Sub
(It depends a bit on the antennas I can use at that time.)
If there's a weak station on one ear that I want to work, and loud 
signals come battering on my other ear, I'd like to concentrate on one 
channel to make it easier. Than I switch the audio to the channel I 
want. After finishing the QSO I switch back to diversity.

Yes, the antenna's are not more than 50m apart but they have a totally 
different receive pattern. I remember that during a DXpedition I was 
working with a beam and had a vertical on the other RX. The guys I heard 
on the vertical were copyable very well on the vertical. On the beam 
they were buried under the pile-up in the beam direction.

Diversity is such a nice feature of the k3.

73
Arie

Bob McGraw - K4TAX schreef op 3-8-2015 om 22:31:
>
>
> >>>  However, in my world, "true diversity" is attained from 2 
> identical receivers,  each having a separate antenna in two different 
> locations.  The source signal is a single transmitter. <<<
> 73 Bob, K4TAX


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug  4 07:38:28 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (mikerodgerske5gbc--- via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 06:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Show Notes - QSO Today Episode 011 Wayne Burdick
	N6KR
References: <8721FEC9-DB7F-43DD-85F1-34135194D7EF@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39CE4577-08E5-49DA-9E4F-9A3DC3511424@yahoo.com>

FYI /. I came across this podcast interview of Elecraft's Wayne Burdick. Since its a hour it might be best for a road trip. First half hour is about Wayne's early days and second half hour more about Elecraft. It's from October and 43 mb. Get yourself a big glass of kool aid and listen. 

You might also find other podcast interviews of interest. Search QSO today on your podcast app. 

73
Mike R
KE5GBC

Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com
> Date: August 4, 2015, 4:47:50 AM CDT
> To: mike Rodgers <mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Show Notes - QSO Today Episode 011 Wayne Burdick N6KR
> 
> QSO Today - A conversation for amateur radio operators
> QSO Today Episode 011 Wayne Burdick N6KR
> 10/7/14, 2:39 PM
> http://qsotoday.libsyn.com/webpage
> Episode Link
>  
> 
> Elecraft?s co-founder and CTO, Wayne Burdick, N6KR, joins Eric, 4Z1UG, on another QSO Today. Waynes fascination with home brewing from an early age combined with his love of QRP led to the development of some of the best amateur radio transceivers on the market. Wayne and Eric?s conversation reveals some insights into what makes a successful ham radio product.  
> 
> Download Link  
> (43.3MB)
>  
> 
> 
> Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. 

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Aug  4 08:12:06 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue,  4 Aug 2015 05:12:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKf-2uw_XQbsBycAf+FvXOxjpSEPxmjcr1qzi1CosMB83A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-B7E339E5FFF54D3A85CC858DFAF6F4CC@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

The most useful feature I have found for PSK frequency drift is 
the ability to decode the past. If you miss part of a 
transmission, you can go back and try to decode it again with a 
different frequency setting.

cocoaModem for the Mac has this feature. Any signal still on the 
waterfall can be decoded. When it finishes decoding the signal 
on the waterfall, it automatically continues decoding the new 
parts of the signal as they come in. cocoaModem is the only 
program I know of for any computer which has this feature. I 
would love to know of other programs which include it.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/29/15 at 3:10 PM, brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian 
Waterworth) wrote:

>Keeping a frequency lock on psk31 signals tends
>to require multiple presses of the cwt button during a qso to instruct the
>kx3 to re-tune to a psk31 signal.  You will miss portions of the
>transmission because of this.

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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug  4 08:45:38 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:45:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had
	buyers
Message-ID: <004801d0ceb3$785d9090$6918b1b0$@carolinaheli.com>

Hi Marc,

     All speculation and conjecture on my part. 

 

   Looking at the block diagrams for the digital I/O boards looks like (a
total guess on my part) you are experiencing an issue related to the rig
design. My understanding is the MCU code runs in a big loop (likely with
many subloops). I would expect that future designs would likely have two MCU
rather than one if the K3* is starting to see latency in external control
type I/O. Personal computers are designed to be interrupt driven where most
industrial grade type gear run programming loops. The advantage to the way
industrial gear is designed is the raw speed they can achieve. The
challenges come in when integrating other systems that need more time from
the MCU. Depending upon how the DSP and other features are integrated they
may require high MCU time which would leave less available to things like
I/O. Of course I have no clue how the K3* gear is programmed or works. I'm
just guessing based on the block diagram and my intuition based on
experience. I'd expect Elecraft might try to tweak the code a bit to help
the I/O, however, depending on the system design it's a balancing act.

 

As I stated, just a guess. 

 

With regard to using wireless gear. I'm a computer guy with a strong
electronics background. I've found most consumer electronics gear to be very
susceptible to RF. I'm like you in that I want plug n play setups, however,
I still use a laptop with my Radio station for lookups, sat tracking,
grayline, .etc.

 

I'd not count Elecraft totally out on the keyboard performance feature. Not
many of us can type that fast, but, it's probably something to look at. My
concern would be marginally affecting something that's more important like
DSP processing. Perhaps a re-design of the I/O board with it's own
microcontroller. Add separate RS232 and USB Host ports, the I/O MCU could
buffer the I/O .etc.. anyway.conjecture is fun but without any facts it's
hard to imagine a probable fix.

 

As a note: I'm signed up for CW Academy but the class doesn't start until
Jan/Feb. In the mean time I'm spending my time listening around 7.053ish in
the AM. There seems to be a lot of rag chewing so it's good copy practice
(generally fast too). I'm using LCWO.net as well to hammer in the sounds.
About 2 or 3 times a week I break out the CW Academy papers and try sending
with my Bencher/Vibroplex paddle. Practice, practice, practice. I aspire to
be QRO like you ;)

Jer

 

Es 73 ..

 

 

 

Message: 5

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 17:22:35 -0400

From: Marc Veeneman <mhvnmn at gmail.com>

To: "David F. Reed" <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>

Cc: elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers

        remorse on a      K3/K3S purchase?

Message-ID: <AA39B62A-226D-42F2-B377-E06AA4CD659A at gmail.com>

Content-Type: text/plain;      charset=us-ascii

 

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will
not be selling it.

 

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

 

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

 

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.  

 

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

 

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.  

 

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.  I ordered a USB
keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference.  I still had
all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard.  Then more bad news
from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.


 

I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  Still all the same issues.  

 

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what
might be wrong.  I did so.  After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each
way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they
declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems.  (I pointed
out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they
said "not so".)  

 

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds
periodically.  But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.
(Huh?)  

 

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft.  But now I have a
K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do.  And I
have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap
meet.  It's stuffed away in a closet.

 

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular
CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day.  The K3/100 never has a hiccup
and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.  

 

So, yes I have buyer's remorse.   But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used.  So I continue to use it daily.

 

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need
for a keyboard is still a future event.

 

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.

-- 

Marc   W8SDG  

 


From aldermant at windstream.net  Tue Aug  4 09:05:08 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
	a	K3/K3S purchase?
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Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously
the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not only to be used on
the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for
about 40 years, running speeds from about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can
tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up
about 95 wpm with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion,
you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in excess
of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware,
everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk, but there are very few
programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest
program, but it's keying program will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but
unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog generates CW using
Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal
'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW requires correctly spaced and
correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who
can do that by hand, so a PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just
consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not wanting to use a
PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of
the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ! Your choice BUT putting the blame on
the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you really mistook the purpose of the K3
Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to
build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying transistor to key your K3 at
speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Marc
Veeneman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will
not be selling it.

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.  

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.  

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.  I ordered a USB
keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference.  I still had
all the same problems with the wired, approved keyboard.  Then more bad news
from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.


I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  Still all the same issues.  

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what
might be wrong.  I did so.  After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each
way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they
declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems.  (I pointed
out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they
said "not so".)  

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds
periodically.  But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.
(Huh?)  

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft.  But now I have a
K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do.  And I
have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap
meet.  It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular
CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day.  The K3/100 never has a hiccup
and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.  

So, yes I have buyer's remorse.   But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used.  So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need
for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
-- 
Marc   W8SDG  


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was 
> superior in a few ways
> 
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of 
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Aug  4 09:03:56 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 06:03:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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I still have both my HP-45, and 55 both still working!  Use them
exclusively, and both are RPN only!
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On Mon, 2015-08-03 at 23:04 -0400, Barry Baines wrote:
> Fred:
> 
> I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?
> 
> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Barry Baines
> WD4ASW
> 
> 
> > On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> > That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
> > 73,
> > Fred K6DGW Sparks NV 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> > 
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> 
> > Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00) 
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
> >  K3/K3S purchase? 
> > 
> > On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> >>    But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > It was my second programmable 
> > computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> > 
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Tue Aug  4 09:08:07 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
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Great! But what does using a HP calculator have to do with the silly subject line? This 'buyers remorse' thread reminds me of someone who is trolling!

Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Baines
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:04 PM
To: k6dgw
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Fred:

I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?

FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?


73,

Barry Baines
WD4ASW


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
> 73,
> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00)
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers 
> remorse on a  K3/K3S purchase?
> 
> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>    But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> 
> Hi David,
> It was my second programmable
> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From iu3azc at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 09:44:01 2015
From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:44:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A dead?
Message-ID: <55C0C1A1.8000608@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, today I turned on my K3 and I can't receive any signal in 
any band.
Then I tried to tune and power out is 0.0w.
My k3 has two ksyn3a, but in the menu I see DDS FRQ and VCO MD; also 
tapping DISP I see PLL1 and PLL2 (with value ranging from 2.9 to 3.1)
So it looks like the K3 doesn't recognize the two syn.
Fw rew is 5.14
Any hint? I have not opened it yet.
I have the old PLL if needed

thanks
IU3AZC Enrico

From kq8m at kq8m.com  Tue Aug  4 09:44:48 2015
From: kq8m at kq8m.com (KQ8M)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:44:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
	on	a	K3/K3S purchase?
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What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!

73,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chester Alderman
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:05 AM
To: 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not
only to be used on the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for about 40 years, running speeds from
about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up about 95 wpm
with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion, you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in
excess of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware, everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk,
but there are very few programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest program, but it's keying program
will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog
generates CW using Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal 'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW
requires correctly spaced and correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who can do that by hand, so a
PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not
wanting to use a PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ!
Your choice BUT putting the blame on the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you really mistook the purpose of the K3 Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying
transistor to key your K3 at speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Marc Veeneman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will not be selling it.

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I
saw the pictures of the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a
whole new dimension to my hobby.  

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went
sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more
than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and
sometimes whole words went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might
resume on its own.  

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.
I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no difference.  I still had all the same problems with the wired,
approved keyboard.  Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3)
Utility program for sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.


I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  Still all the same issues.  

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what might be wrong.  I did so.  After the normal UPS transit
time, 5 days each way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they declared it perfect and could not explain
any of my problems.  (I pointed out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they said "not so".)  

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds periodically.  But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard
option.
(Huh?)  

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft.  But now I have a K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought
it to do.  And I have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap meet.  It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day.  The
K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3 benefits.  

So, yes I have buyer's remorse.   But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used.  So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
-- 
Marc   W8SDG  


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was 
> superior in a few ways
> 
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of 
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Tue Aug  4 10:14:18 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:14:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse
	on	a	K3/K3S purchase?
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Well COP, my response to Marc's post about his opinion about the K3. Maybe a
tad of 'mind your own business' would help you relax?

Tom - W4BQF


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From: KQ8M [mailto:kq8m at kq8m.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:45 AM
To: 'Chester Alderman'; 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!

73,
Tim Herrick, KQ8M
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Chester Alderman
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 9:05 AM
To: 'Marc Veeneman'; 'David F. Reed'
Cc: 'elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Marc,

In my opinion, you have no one to blame except yourself. I doubt seriously
the K3 keying program in the K3 Utility was designed, not only to be used on
the air, but certainly not for QRQ operating. I have been a QRQ operator for
about 40 years, running speeds from about 60 wpm up to around 125 wpm. I can
tell you from experience that NOW the K3 will key and maintain full QSK up
about 95 wpm with both weight and spacing held constant. But, in my opinion,
you MUST have an external PC program capable of sending at speeds in excess
of 50 wpm while maintaining weight and character spacing. That I am aware,
everyone who operates QRQ has a PC on their desk, but there are very few
programs available that will do it correctly. N1MM Logger Plus is a contest
program, but it's keying program will run my K3 at 95 wpm and do it well.
The only other program that I have used is named YPlog, written by VE6YP but
unfortunately not supported for over 15 years. YPlog generates CW using
Windows internal audio generation, primarily to eliminate the normal
'stutter' by PC I/O ports. High speed CW requires correctly spaced and
correctly weighted generation of CW and there is no one, that I know of, who
can do that by hand, so a PC is imperative.

I, also, have spent the past 40 years working with computers and just
consider them as another tool to be used as I see fit. Not wanting to use a
PC anymore, in my opinion, basically eliminates you from getting into one of
the most fun parts of our hobby, QRQ!
Your choice BUT putting the blame on the K3 and the K3 Utility shows you
really mistook the purpose of the K3 Utility.

If you are interested I can send you the YPlog program, but you will have to
build an audio full wave bridge plus a keying transistor to key your K3 at
speeds.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Marc
Veeneman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:23 PM
To: David F. Reed
Cc: elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
K3/K3S purchase?

Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will
not be selling it.

That was the summary.  Here, at great length, is the detail:

I had a KX3 with KXPA100 and liked it very much.  I'm a CW operator and hope
to join the QRQ gang some day soon.   But I spent the past 40 years working
with computers and I don't want one in my shack.  I prefer to have minimal
equipment at the operating desk.  With that in mind, I saw the pictures of
the PX3 with the word Keyboard stenciled over a USB socket.  I ordered the
PX3 and separately order a folding wireless keyboard to match.  

The PX3 arrived and it changed my operating for the better.  Seeing the
entire band instead of slowly tuning for CW signals adds a whole new
dimension to my hobby.  

But the Keyboard USB socket was useless and the sort-of-promise that the
keyboard option would be ready by Christmas went sort-of-unfulfilled.

Meanwhile, the K3/P3/SVGA combo has a keyboard option and my CW speed is
increasing so I ordered the K3 combo.  It cost a lot more than the KX3 had.
As soon as the gear arrived I set it up with my yet-unused wireless keyboard
and commenced to play with it.  Trouble.  Letters, and sometimes whole words
went missing.  CTRL-S has to be hit every so often to force a buffer dump.
And sporadically there are pauses of several seconds when sending just stops
and CTRL-S fails.  However, the buffer dump might resume on its own.  

My phone call to Elecraft gave me bad news.  My wireless keyboard was not
approved by Elecraft so there would be no support for it.
I ordered a USB keyboard, waited for its arrival, and discovered no
difference.  I still had all the same problems with the wired, approved
keyboard.  Then more bad news from Elecraft: operating the keyboard without
a VGA monitor is not approved.
If you recall, I wanted minimal equipment in the shack; in fact that's why I
wanted the keyboard option instead of the KX3 (now K3) Utility program for
sending CW.  Now I learned that I have to have a screen on the desk as well.


I purchased a VGA monitor and tried again.  Still all the same issues.  

So Elecraft asked that I send the P3 with keyboard to them to find out what
might be wrong.  I did so.  After the normal UPS transit time, 5 days each
way, and a sufficient time for Elecraft experts to examine the P3, they
declared it perfect and could not explain any of my problems.  (I pointed
out that the problems worsen as typing speed increases above 50 wpm; they
said "not so".)  

They did admit that there is a sporadic delay of several seconds
periodically.  But that is normal with the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard option.
(Huh?)  

No charge for the "no problem found" service by Elecraft.  But now I have a
K3/P3/SVGA combo that does not do the one thing I bought it to do.  And I
have a 21" (smallest I could find) VGA screen to sell at the next ham swap
meet.  It's stuffed away in a closet.

Meanwhile my KXPA100 stopped working (second time in a year) and my regular
CW skeds need all 100 watts almost every day.  The
K3/100 never has a hiccup and the P3 offers some, but not all, of the PX3
benefits.  

So, yes I have buyer's remorse.   But the K3/P3, like it's KX3/PX3 cousin,
is the finest rig I've ever used.  So I continue to use it daily.

The good news is that my CW skills are still below 50 wpm so my real need
for a keyboard is still a future event.

Sorry for such a long story, but I suspect some of you can sympathize.
-- 
Marc   W8SDG  


> On Aug 3, 2015, at 3:21 PM, David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> a counterpoint; I used to have an IC-7800; great rig... I bought a K3 
> as a second rig... started using it and to my surprise, it was 
> superior in a few ways
> 
> Since then I have added a KX3 and after using it a while, sold one of 
> the K3; it is just hard to beat a K3, and the KX3 is a close second
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug  4 10:23:28 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?
Message-ID: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>

I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?

Thanks in advance.

jer


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 10:33:53 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C0CD51.5060409@gmail.com>

Yes, identical to the K3.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Aug  4 10:37:09 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <60BEC4F3-3E53-4D25-A680-C694EF17D2DB@elecraft.com>

Absolutely. I'm sure Lyle, KK7P (our DSP engineering) can weigh in with more details.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:23 AM, "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> jer
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From RJGUIDRYSR at VERIZON.NET  Tue Aug  4 10:45:01 2015
From: RJGUIDRYSR at VERIZON.NET (RUSS GUIDRY SR)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 07:45:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
Message-ID: <000001d0cec4$24e1e400$6ea5ac00$@VERIZON.NET>

Loaded 1.50 per notes given here and see the DBM reading on p3 ending in "9"
but on VGA display ending in "0".

Beta loaded without error.

 


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug  4 10:53:17 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard QRO
Message-ID: <008d01d0cec5$4cdd38f0$e697aad0$@carolinaheli.com>

I just had a thought. A Raspberry Pi could be used to interface the QRO keyboard to the K3/K3S through whatever interface supports the high speed keying. Of course we?d need an OS and program on the Raspberry PI but I?d expect that already exists. We might have to homebrew a switch interface. The new Raspberry PI units are around $45 or so. The older Raspberry PI units would work fine for this running SE-Linux. Just thinking out loud. Yes it?s another box, but, at the end of the day you can just plug it in and run. The Raspberry Pi in a case is about the size of a pack of cigarettes. There may be better/cheaper solutions as well. Just thinking outside the box for a quick fix.

Jer / AE4PB 


From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Aug  4 10:55:28 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 07:55:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A dead?
In-Reply-To: <55C0C1A1.8000608@gmail.com>
References: <55C0C1A1.8000608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438700128641-7605868.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Enrico,

The correct status for KSYN3A boards in TECH MD: ON is OK! So you should see
SYN1 OK and SYN2 OK if you have both installed. The latest KSYN3A boards
should work with 5.14 or later.

Please open K3 and at first check if your cables are connected to right
boards (not swapped by accident) and if all connectors are properly plugged
in and have proper contacts please. It is common issue the TMP connectors
has bad contact on the synths boards.

Hope it helps,

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From iu3azc at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 11:08:11 2015
From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:08:11 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A dead?
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Hi Petr, I have two ksyn installed, and both worked fine for some months.
I did not open my K3 in the last weeks, and two days ago my K3 was ok, 
so this happened without touching anything.
An italian OM had another problem with a deprogrammed SYN. I wonder if 
Elecraft is aware of this and who's gonna pay the cost to reprogram it?

thanks for the reply
73 de Enrico IU3AZC


Il 04/08/2015 16:55, ok1rp ha scritto:
> Hi Enrico,
>
> The correct status for KSYN3A boards in TECH MD: ON is OK! So you should see
> SYN1 OK and SYN2 OK if you have both installed. The latest KSYN3A boards
> should work with 5.14 or later.
>
> Please open K3 and at first check if your cables are connected to right
> boards (not swapped by accident) and if all connectors are properly plugged
> in and have proper contacts please. It is common issue the TMP connectors
> has bad contact on the synths boards.
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Aug  4 11:23:08 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:23:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A dead?
In-Reply-To: <55C0D55B.3060809@gmail.com>
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Hi Enrico,

aha, so it sounds like more serious issue. 
I never heard about the issue with erased synthesizer but if it happened to
your friend then its time to contact Elecraft.
I am so sorry that I can not help you more my friend.
Let us know please about the progress.

best regards,
73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From plcmark at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 11:55:48 2015
From: plcmark at gmail.com (Mark Bayern)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:55:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
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... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
keyboard changes to a proper calculator.  It has no programmability,
but it is a fine RPN calculator.

Mark  AD5SS  ... still miss my 41CX at times



On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?
>
> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines
> WD4ASW
>
>
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
>> 73,
>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00)
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
>>  K3/K3S purchase?
>>
>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>    But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>>
>> Hi David,
>> It was my second programmable
>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Aug  4 12:22:28 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 09:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
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So using an RPN calculator gives you remorse over 
buying a K3? Or over not buying one?

I like my K3 and using RPN :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/4/15, 8:55 AM, Mark Bayern wrote:
> ... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
> defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
> in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
> keyboard changes to a proper calculator.  It has no programmability,
> but it is a fine RPN calculator.
>
> Mark  AD5SS  ... still miss my 41CX at times
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?
>>
>> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry Baines
>> WD4ASW
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
>>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
>>> 73,
>>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
>>> Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
>>>   K3/K3S purchase?
>>>
>>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>>     But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
>>> Hi David,
>>> It was my second programmable
>>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC


From pauls at elecraft.com  Tue Aug  4 12:38:46 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 09:38:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 firmware 1.50 displays -dBm scale ending with 9
In-Reply-To: <000001d0cec4$24e1e400$6ea5ac00$@VERIZON.NET>
References: <000001d0cec4$24e1e400$6ea5ac00$@VERIZON.NET>
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Thanks Russell, 

We've noted that and it will be fixed in the next release.  

73, 

Paul n6hz



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From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Tue Aug  4 13:25:42 2015
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 18:25:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] =?windows-1252?q?KX3_=96_is_a_TX_DLY_function_availabl?=
 =?windows-1252?q?e=3F?=
Message-ID: <55C0F596.4080206@g3tct.co.uk>

I have no problem driving a linear with a slow relay from my K3, but my 
KX3 causes the linear to trip out when I try to use the cw in ssb mode 
(cw in cw mode behaves ok). In the K3 manual it refers to the delay in 
producing RF ? TX DLY which has a default of 8ms. But I can't see an 
equivalent function in the KX3 ? might this be the problem, and what 
default value does it use?

Graham


From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 13:54:15 2015
From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:54:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] HP50G
Message-ID: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Recently sprung for a 50G after perusing vids at:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1-PpkqcSWX53vsPaZaFWgvVF26ewosH6. I
was a bio major so had little calculus in college.  This machine makes it
easy. In fact, all the vids at this guy's site are very understandable.

Ever since K9YC prescribed "tough love" (e.g hit the theory books) I've
been trying to backfill what I missed by not being an EE.

Other than requiring good ambient light to be readable it seems like a good
purchase. OfficeSupply had it on sale for $84 the day I surfed. They want
$151 now.

Anybody use a 50G?
73 chuck

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From semaos at semaos.plus.com  Tue Aug  4 14:00:58 2015
From: semaos at semaos.plus.com (Christopher Soames)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:00:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] G0TZZ ...HI CUR on 20 & 30Meters.  Help??
Message-ID: <55C0FDDA.5080403@semaos.plus.com>

Below is the message I posted at the end of July i have since discovered during a re calibration that I have exactly the same problem on 30 meters 10Megs.
Looks like the M3 is slowly keeling over on me.

Hi, hopefully someone can point me in the right direction to cure the
problem that has manifested itself on my K3.
When I TX using more than 11 Watts on 20metres shows HI CUR on the display.
When I TX using more than 20 Watts on 20 Metres the display shows HI CUR
for a second or two the the rig switches itself off.
I have tried 2 different antennas and a DUMMY load and the results are
always the same.
I have tried both antenna connectors, I have also checked the power
supply and it is feeding 13V into the rig.

I do have the internal antenna tuner fitted, When I tune on 20 metres I
do not  get the SWR reading at the top of the display. All I get is --
at the top and 5.0 W at the bottom with reference to tuning.

With the internal ATU bypassed I get exactly the same problem on 20 only
HI CUR and switches off.

Chris
G0TZZ


From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Aug  4 14:06:19 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:06:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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	<55C0E6C4.9000601@socal.rr.com>
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Clearly this thread has run its course, and new ideas are invading!  :)
Perhaps it is time for the thread to die...
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
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On Tue, 2015-08-04 at 09:22 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> So using an RPN calculator gives you remorse over 
> buying a K3? Or over not buying one?
> 
> I like my K3 and using RPN :-)
> 
> Phil W7OX
> 
> On 8/4/15, 8:55 AM, Mark Bayern wrote:
> > ... and for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc. It
> > defaults to that odd mode that uses an equal sign, but the first item
> > in the Setting menu is an opportunity to set it to RPN ... then the
> > keyboard changes to a proper calculator.  It has no programmability,
> > but it is a fine RPN calculator.
> >
> > Mark  AD5SS  ... still miss my 41CX at times
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> >> Fred:
> >>
> >> I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?
> >>
> >> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?
> >>
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Barry Baines
> >> WD4ASW
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 PM, k6dgw <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> While nowhere near the saddest day in my life, when I realized the keypad on my HP41X was terminal, and there was no way to replace it,I sprang for an HP 48GX,. While it's RPN, only Calc I can use anymore, I ve never really understood it.
> >>> That 41 was perfect, usable even if you didn't have the book with you.  Sort of like a K3.
> >>> 73,
> >>> Fred K6DGW Sparks NV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> >>> Date: 08/03/2015  14:48  (GMT-08:00)
> >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
> >>>   K3/K3S purchase?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon,8/3/2015 2:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
> >>>>     But I spent the past 40 years working with computers and I don't want one in my shack.
> >>> Hi David,
> >>> It was my second programmable
> >>> computer -- my first, about four years earlier, was an HP41.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Aug  4 14:07:59 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 10:07:59 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] diversity and combining
Message-ID: <201508041808.t74I80ve027522@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Uwe,

Actually glad to see that you are also using the dual-Rx K3 on 
eme.  Using a common LO for the two Kuhne Engineering transverters is 
a good approach.  How close are the two transverters: MKU-144 G2 and 
the TR144 H.  It would seem important if gain and transfer function 
were nearly identical circuitry to preserve phase information.

My DRX model of the DEMI L144-28HP (50w model) utilizes the same pc 
board for the second Rx converter so they are identical 
circuits.  They are driven by a common xtal osc LO with additional 
buffer amplification to compensate for the splitting of the LO 
signal.  This design was produced by Steve Kostro of DEMI under 
contract from me.  As far as I am aware this was a "one of" that was made.

Otherwise, you use the same architecture of K3 and KRX3 IF to two 
LP-Pan to Delta44 for Computer DSP using Linrad and some variant of 
JT65 (I use MAP65v2 directly).  I see you use a separate soundcard 
(emu0204) for Tx modulation; I use a emu0202.  I run both of my 
LP-Pan from a single clock osc in one of the LP-Pan.

More 2m-eme stations are using circular pol in transmit, though this 
imparts 3-dB cross-pol loss at the receiving station, it does remove 
need for switching Tx polarity to match Faraday rotation of the 
signal.  I still switch my Tx H/V pol.

Therefore there are two of us using the K3 for dual-pol adaptive eme 
reception.  I wonder if there are others?

73, Ed - KL7UW

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 06:11:57 +0200
From: "Uwe Pobel" <dk4ww at gmx.net>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] diversity and combining

http://web.stanford.edu/class/ee360/previous/lectures/lecture11.pdf


http:\\www.dk5ya.de/newtower14.html


73
Uwe
Dk4ww




73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From esteptony at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 14:22:07 2015
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] diversity and combining
In-Reply-To: <trinity-343da395-28cf-479b-8985-d6f78d81c78b-1438661517383@msvc-mesg-gmx007>
References: <trinity-343da395-28cf-479b-8985-d6f78d81c78b-1438661517383@msvc-mesg-gmx007>
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Uwe Pobel <dk4ww at gmx.net> wrote:

> http://web.stanford.edu/class/ee360/previous/lectures/lecture11.pdf
>
>
> http:\\www.dk5ya.de/newtower14.html
>
> =============

Now THAT was an outstanding post!!

73,
Tony KT0NY

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Aug  4 14:22:17 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 10:22:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
Message-ID: <201508041822.t74IMIpc021212@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Inserted comments, below:
----------
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 21:32:33 -0700
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Reception
Message-ID: <55C04061.8000905 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

On Mon,8/3/2015 8:41 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 > However it is not always bad for the two diversity channels to be
 > combined for best signal.  The example is digital signals which the
 > human brain cannot process.  The example was given of using two
 > antennas of differing polarity for HF.

Combining, yes -- into different inputs of the analysis system. Again,
when signals combine IN THE SAME SIGNAL CHANNEL (emphasis added)
differences in the time/phase response of the two signal paths can cause
destructive interference which degrades decoding.

# Yes, simple combining of RF signal would result in such effects.

OTOH, in a sophisticated decoding system, there's certainly nothing
wrong with bring both signals in on separate inputs, then combining
them, or choosing the best signal, or even processing the signals to
enhance readability. But ONLY combining them on a single electrical
channel is a bad idea.

# Our dual-pol adaptive eme system is done in digital domain with DSP 
where channel amplitude and phase angle can be separated for 
re-combination using sw which accomplishes vector addition of the 
signal to produce display of polarity angle and constructive addition 
of signals.  Both Linrad and MAP65 can perform these computations.

One of my neighbors (near Santa Cruz) has a VERY interesting UHF
repeater system. It's multi-site(five sites going on six),voted (meaning
that the RX with the best signal is transmitted), and simulcast (all
sites transmit at the same time). To make this work, Bboth audio and RF
are synchronized to the Hz using a GPS reference and some really
innovative use of low cost audio and networking gear. If you're
interested, look at wb6ece.org, especially the Technical Info page,
where there's video and audio of a talk that KA6SQG did at Pacificon
about his system (WB6ECE is his dad's call). The audio is not well
recorded, so you'll need headphones for good copy.

73, Jim K9YC

# My only exposure was with Motorola voting systems for commercial FM 
2-way communications.  I did not do much with such here in AK.  I 
believe one ham 2m repeating system used a couple voted satellite 
receivers. Occasionally they would hunt a little causing a chopped signal.

73, Ed





73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From esteptony at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 14:25:16 2015
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:25:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Mark Bayern <plcmark at gmail.com> wrote:

> ... for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc...

==========
Well, there are also apps that replicate the HP11C and HP12C. I have both,
and both are excellent.

Tony KT0NY

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Tue Aug  4 14:50:25 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP2317C48745127178025A8E9BF760@phx.gbl>

On 8/3/2015 4:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
"Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I 
will not be selling it."
....................................................................................................

I have decided to come to Marc's defense on this.  It isn't just about 
speed.  In his explanation, he touched on lost characters and words.

I too, experience lost characters, even spaces which are ascii 
characters also.  Others have told me of the same problem. I have given 
up on reporting it to Elecraft.

I quit using the keyboard for qso's. Too bad, as it is a nice tool with 
the memories. I could also correct my spelling before it got 
transmitted. As I recall, this problem isn't just CW.

The failure rate is about once in every 30 characters, or so, counting 
spaces.  As for speed, it happens regularly as slow as 8 wpm which is 
about the slowest it will go.

It needs to be fixed.

Here is what happens:

The characters are being received from the USB keyboard and displayed in 
the send portion of the monitor correctly.  (my terminology)
As they are being sent to the K3, I can hear the skip as it occurs, and 
I do not see the skipped character displayed on the K3 display panel.
When a space is dropped, the two words get joined together.

It never skips an element of a character, it is always the whole 
character which I assume is Ascii at that point.

With the proper equipment set up on a bench, it should be possible to 
see where the failures are occurring, so that the cause can be determined.

I must say I have not checked for the latest F/W recently.  I would be 
pleased to learn that the fix is waiting for me, but from Marc's post it 
doesn't look like it.

Dick, n0ce




From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Aug  4 14:57:29 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 11:57:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HP50G
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C10B19.3030009@socal.rr.com>

$73.38 at Amazon now, it appears.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/4/15 10:54 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote:
> Recently sprung for a 50G after perusing vids at:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1-PpkqcSWX53vsPaZaFWgvVF26ewosH6. I
> was a bio major so had little calculus in college.  This machine makes it
> easy. In fact, all the vids at this guy's site are very understandable.
>
> Ever since K9YC prescribed "tough love" (e.g hit the theory books) I've
> been trying to backfill what I missed by not being an EE.
>
> Other than requiring good ambient light to be readable it seems like a good
> purchase. OfficeSupply had it on sale for $84 the day I surfed. They want
> $151 now.
>
> Anybody use a 50G?
> 73 chuck
>


From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Tue Aug  4 15:00:02 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
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Personally, I prefer my app-unnecessary, no batteries or wall-wart required, and totally EMP proof Picket N-16-ES.

But I?ve long ago lost track of what any of this has to do with the K3 (?)

Grant NQ5T


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Mark Bayern <plcmark at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> ... for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc...
> 
> ==========
> Well, there are also apps that replicate the HP11C and HP12C. I have both,
> and both are excellent.
> 


From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Aug  4 14:53:11 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
 a	K3/K3S purchase?
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Folks - Let's keep it civil.

Its outside of the list guidelines to personally criticize others posters. (it 
-is- OK to argue on the merits of a posting politely.)

If you have a complaint, please send it to the list manager (me).

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 8/4/2015 6:44 AM, KQ8M wrote:
> What does this have to do with the subject? Start your own thread!
>
> 73,
> Tim Herrick, KQ8M
> kq8m at kq8m.com
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Aug  4 14:55:34 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:55:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <002601d0ceb6$9b5c94d0$d215be70$@windstream.net>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
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Folks - Let's keep it civil.

Its outside of the list guidelines to --personally criticize others posters. (it 
-is- OK to argue on the merits of a posting politely.)

If you have a complaint, please send it to the list manager (me).

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/
=====
On 8/4/2015 6:08 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> Great! But what does using a HP calculator have to do with the silly subject line? This 'buyers remorse' thread reminds me of someone who is trolling!
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Baines
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 11:04 PM
> To: k6dgw
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?
>
> Fred:
>
> I?m still using a HP-41 and I still have a functional HP-45 (works off the power supply).  RPN works for me?
>
> FWIW, if you have an Apple iPhone, you can also get an app that provides a full emulation of the HP-41.  It works very well with the look and feel of the HP-41 and it allows me to have a ?HP-41" with me all the time.  The app is named ?i41CX-RPN Calculator? from AL Software.  There is also a version that has a printer function as well.  Check the Apple Store or the developer?s website (http://alsoftiphone.com) for more information if interested?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry Baines
> WD4ASW
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Aug  4 15:10:29 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com>

A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/
/Moderator for life../

On 8/4/2015 11:25 AM, Tony Estep wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Mark Bayern <plcmark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ... for an RPN calculator on Android there is RealCalc...


From mhvnmn at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 15:17:15 2015
From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
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> On Aug 4, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I too, experience lost characters, even spaces which are ascii characters also.  Others have told me of the same problem. I have given up on reporting it to Elecraft.
> 
> It never skips an element of a character, it is always the whole character which I assume is Ascii at that point.
> 
> 

Thank you, Dick.  You've explained my problem better than I.  In fact it didn't occur to me until you said it so plainly, only whole characters are being dropped.  Thank you.

For what it's worth, I have received private e-mails from others who experienced the same thing and gave up asking for help.

I'm afraid we disappointed are so few and the workaround (use a pc) so available that it may not be worth Elecraft's time to fix this.  

And even though it was my sole reason for spending the $5,200 upgrade to my KX3, I do use the K3 (with a Schurr Profi or a 9A5N paddle) everyday.  It turned out to be a superb backup while the KX3 system awaits repair.
-- 
Marc  W8SDG

From wes at triconet.org  Tue Aug  4 16:01:20 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>

Okay then, back to buyer's remorse.  I have some.

Hindsight is 20-20 it's said.  Knowing what I know now (and I really knew better 
at the time, but fools rush in) I should have waited awhile before ordering a K3S.

This is supposed to be fun.  So far, it's been aggravation and disappointment.

Wes  N7WS

On 8/4/2015 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> /Moderator for life../


From n7rjn at nobis.net  Tue Aug  4 16:36:32 2015
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 13:36:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
	K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com> <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1DE91AC1-5037-47F7-ADFA-970312D69D33@nobis.net>

Wes,

Could you please summarize major points associated with your ?aggravation and disappointment??

Thanks and 73,


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 13:01, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Okay then, back to buyer's remorse.  I have some.
> 
> Hindsight is 20-20 it's said.  Knowing what I know now (and I really knew better at the time, but fools rush in) I should have waited awhile before ordering a K3S.
> 
> This is supposed to be fun.  So far, it's been aggravation and disappointment.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 8/4/2015 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>> /Moderator for life../
> 
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:45:48 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:45:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com> <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
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Hi Wes,
How come you're not completely happy with your K3S? What has led to you feel some regret over the purchase?

73, Matt VK2RQ

    _____________________________
From: Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org>
Sent: mercredi, ao?t 5, 2015 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a K3/K3S purchase?
To:  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>


Okay then, back to buyer's remorse.  I have some.

Hindsight is 20-20 it's said.  Knowing what I know now (and I really knew better 
at the time, but fools rush in) I should have waited awhile before ordering a K3S.

This is supposed to be fun.  So far, it's been aggravation and disappointment.

Wes  N7WS

On 8/4/2015 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> /Moderator for life../

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From bbaines at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 16:52:28 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 16:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com> <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <0539E255-0C23-488D-922F-41240A1D6793@mac.com>

Wes:

You made the decision to get the K3 at the time of purchase because you wanted the radio as it apparently met your needs at a price you were willing to pay.  Manufacturers don?t normally advertise when new products are being released in advance;  they do so when they are ready for sale.  Yes, the various boards were announced before the K3S, and the ?K3? has been in production for a number of years (2008?), suggesting that at some point in time there would be a ?refresh.?

The option available to us when making a purchase decision is either to purchase what is available at the time or defer for an unknown period of time for a ?new product.?  The problem with waiting is that none of us are getting younger, and who knows how long that wait might be.  The moment something is purchased, one might argue it is becoming ?obsolete?; at least most of the enhancements of the K3S can potentially be retrofitted to existing the K3 at some point. 

I have a slightly different situation than you where ?time? certainly drove my purchase decision.  I purchased a K3 ?system? in August 2014 because my Flex-6700 didn?t meet the promises made by the manufacturer when it was first announced in May 2012 and I made that purchase decision based upon those promises. The radio was delivered in November 2013. It isn?t the hardware, but the software and firmware that determines the radio?s capabilities. In fact, it won?t be until sometime in 2016 before a software/firmware upgrade is made available that will fulfill the original promise that drove my decision based upon the manufacturer?s claim of performance that the radio will have (Remote access via WAN).  

By mid-2014 I decided that time was a wasting since I wanted a reliable method for operating remotely; otherwise no HF.  I decided to get the K3 and K3/O-Mini combination and the Remote Rig (plus KPA500 and KAT500) and ordered them at the 2014 Huntsville Hamfest.  I received my gear and had it up and running right after the Labor Day holiday at the remote site in Southeast Georgia.  I?ve been pleased with the results because I could now operate from my primary residence in Massachusetts.  I can now log into the Sunday afternoon AMSAT net, rag chew, and listen to the ?banter? on the HF bands from 1,250 miles away from the transmitter site.  Pretty nice even if one can?t do everything remotely that one can do at the transmitter site. 

Meanwhile, the Flex-6700 is in the shack and I?ll focus on it when the firmware upgrades are made available in the future (the upgrades will require paying for renewal to the software subscription) so that I can operate it remotely through a PC or their new 
?Maestro? display that will be available late this year (assuming it will have WAN capability as well at some point).  I have confidence in the overall quality of Flex Radio products and their desire to provide competitive equipment. The issue is that the timeline has been so long in providing the expected capability that I decided that if I wanted to operate ?Now?, I had to get a K3.  Even if I knew in advance that a year later a ?new? K3 would be released, I still would have ordered at Huntsville because ?time is a-wasting.?  

Bottom line is that we make decisions based upon what we know at the time those decisions are made.  

Enjoy what you have and avoid the regrets. You have a fine piece of equipment that you can enjoy for a number of years and if you wish to upgrade your existing setup at a later date, you certainly have that option.


73,

Barry
WD4ASW
 
> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Okay then, back to buyer's remorse.  I have some.
> 
> Hindsight is 20-20 it's said.  Knowing what I know now (and I really knew better at the time, but fools rush in) I should have waited awhile before ordering a K3S.
> 
> This is supposed to be fun.  So far, it's been aggravation and disappointment.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> On 8/4/2015 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Eric
>> /elecraft.com/
>> /Moderator for life../
> 
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From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Tue Aug  4 17:10:56 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 15:10:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - is a TX DLY function available?
In-Reply-To: <55C0F596.4080206@g3tct.co.uk>
References: <55C0F596.4080206@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F0468842567@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Hi Graham,
Check the KX3 TX DLY menu.  The default is 5 milliseconds and you can increase it to 20 milliseconds.

Cheers,
Fred KE7X
Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Graham g3tct
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 11:26 AM
> To: Elecraft reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - is a TX DLY function available?
> 
> I have no problem driving a linear with a slow relay from my K3, but my
> KX3 causes the linear to trip out when I try to use the cw in ssb mode
> (cw in cw mode behaves ok). In the K3 manual it refers to the delay in
> producing RF - TX DLY which has a default of 8ms. But I can't see an
> equivalent function in the KX3 - might this be the problem, and what
> default value does it use?
> 
> Graham
> 
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From jvandrey at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 17:33:09 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:33:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] What Firmware version is required for new KXV3B
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>

I have installed the new KXV3B module - do I need to load the Beta firmware:

MCU 5.33 / DSP 2.86 / FPF 1.23, 8-3-2015

Or is the production firmware OK for this module

MCU 5.29 / DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.22, 6-16-2015

Latest Production Release


73

Jobst

AC0LP

From bbaines at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 17:37:59 2015
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 17:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <0539E255-0C23-488D-922F-41240A1D6793@mac.com>
References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com> <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
	<0539E255-0C23-488D-922F-41240A1D6793@mac.com>
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Wes:

After re-reading your post, I now realize that you had purchased the K3S, not the K3.  My apologies for not reading your note more carefully.

That said, much of what I posted originally still stands.  We make purchase decisions based upon what we know at the time and deciding whether to defer decisions.  Along with product features and capabilities, ?time? is also a consideration:  how long does one wait for the ?next great thing? or do you take the plunge ?now?, recognizing that as time passes, there are also ?opportunity costs? in deciding to make the purchase later rather than sooner? 

73,

Barry
WD4ASW


> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Wes:
> 
> You made the decision to get the K3 at the time of purchase because you wanted the radio as it apparently met your needs at a price you were willing to pay.  Manufacturers don?t normally advertise when new products are being released in advance;  they do so when they are ready for sale.  Yes, the various boards were announced before the K3S, and the ?K3? has been in production for a number of years (2008?), suggesting that at some point in time there would be a ?refresh.?
> 
> The option available to us when making a purchase decision is either to purchase what is available at the time or defer for an unknown period of time for a ?new product.?  The problem with waiting is that none of us are getting younger, and who knows how long that wait might be.  The moment something is purchased, one might argue it is becoming ?obsolete?; at least most of the enhancements of the K3S can potentially be retrofitted to existing the K3 at some point. 
> 
> I have a slightly different situation than you where ?time? certainly drove my purchase decision.  I purchased a K3 ?system? in August 2014 because my Flex-6700 didn?t meet the promises made by the manufacturer when it was first announced in May 2012 and I made that purchase decision based upon those promises. The radio was delivered in November 2013. It isn?t the hardware, but the software and firmware that determines the radio?s capabilities. In fact, it won?t be until sometime in 2016 before a software/firmware upgrade is made available that will fulfill the original promise that drove my decision based upon the manufacturer?s claim of performance that the radio will have (Remote access via WAN).  
> 
> By mid-2014 I decided that time was a wasting since I wanted a reliable method for operating remotely; otherwise no HF.  I decided to get the K3 and K3/O-Mini combination and the Remote Rig (plus KPA500 and KAT500) and ordered them at the 2014 Huntsville Hamfest.  I received my gear and had it up and running right after the Labor Day holiday at the remote site in Southeast Georgia.  I?ve been pleased with the results because I could now operate from my primary residence in Massachusetts.  I can now log into the Sunday afternoon AMSAT net, rag chew, and listen to the ?banter? on the HF bands from 1,250 miles away from the transmitter site.  Pretty nice even if one can?t do everything remotely that one can do at the transmitter site. 
> 
> Meanwhile, the Flex-6700 is in the shack and I?ll focus on it when the firmware upgrades are made available in the future (the upgrades will require paying for renewal to the software subscription) so that I can operate it remotely through a PC or their new 
> ?Maestro? display that will be available late this year (assuming it will have WAN capability as well at some point).  I have confidence in the overall quality of Flex Radio products and their desire to provide competitive equipment. The issue is that the timeline has been so long in providing the expected capability that I decided that if I wanted to operate ?Now?, I had to get a K3.  Even if I knew in advance that a year later a ?new? K3 would be released, I still would have ordered at Huntsville because ?time is a-wasting.?  
> 
> Bottom line is that we make decisions based upon what we know at the time those decisions are made.  
> 
> Enjoy what you have and avoid the regrets. You have a fine piece of equipment that you can enjoy for a number of years and if you wish to upgrade your existing setup at a later date, you certainly have that option.
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Barry
> WD4ASW
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Wes (N7WS) <wes at triconet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay then, back to buyer's remorse.  I have some.
>> 
>> Hindsight is 20-20 it's said.  Knowing what I know now (and I really knew better at the time, but fools rush in) I should have waited awhile before ordering a K3S.
>> 
>> This is supposed to be fun.  So far, it's been aggravation and disappointment.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> On 8/4/2015 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>>> A little too OT - Let's close the RPN and H/P calc thread for now.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Eric
>>> /elecraft.com/
>>> /Moderator for life../
>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Aug  4 17:40:38 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:40:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] What firmware will be loaded in the new K3S?
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C13156.10601@blomand.net>

With all of the recent discussions related to firmware, I'm wondering 
what will be loaded in the new K3S that I have on order. And more 
importantly, how stable will it be.

I already serve as a beta test person for another company.  I'm really 
not interesting in taking on "another science project" of this magnitude.

73 Bob, K4TAX




From wes at triconet.org  Tue Aug  4 17:45:17 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:45:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
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References: <o8ukmpuwv7sfyq24a4wjs9ug.1438656505260@email.android.com>
	<D90B027C-77F9-40FE-8C40-06CB47DBDD63@mac.com>
	<CAKOKdP+f4_7+SDZzhr0QU1p9vp4UQ8R0mO7eR78VvbYBxTB+Aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACHwrmOZuZXVpgYjiR_CQLRTBGB_z81XLpNBSdwKsFjcpTaxtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10E25.6030209@elecraft.com> <55C11A10.5090209@triconet.org>
	<0539E255-0C23-488D-922F-41240A1D6793@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55C1326D.4080609@triconet.org>

Please note that I'm talking about a K3S.  I've owned a K3 since 2008.

On 8/4/2015 1:52 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
> Wes:
>
> You made the decision to get the K3 at the time of purchase because you wanted the radio as it apparently met your needs at a price you were willing to pay.  Manufacturers don?t normally advertise when new products are being released in advance;  they do so when they are ready for sale.  Yes, the various boards were announced before the K3S, and the ?K3? has been in production for a number of years (2008?), suggesting that at some point in time there would be a ?refresh.?
>
> The option available to us when making a purchase decision is either to purchase what is available at the time or defer for an unknown period of time for a ?new product.?  The problem with waiting is that none of us are getting younger, and who knows how long that wait might be.  The moment something is purchased, one might argue it is becoming ?obsolete?; at least most of the enhancements of the K3S can potentially be retrofitted to existing the K3 at some point.
>
> I have a slightly different situation than you where ?time? certainly drove my purchase decision.  I purchased a K3 ?system? in August 2014 because my Flex-6700 didn?t meet the promises made by the manufacturer when it was first announced in May 2012 and I made that purchase decision based upon those promises. The radio was delivered in November 2013. It isn?t the hardware, but the software and firmware that determines the radio?s capabilities. In fact, it won?t be until sometime in 2016 before a software/firmware upgrade is made available that will fulfill the original promise that drove my decision based upon the manufacturer?s claim of performance that the radio will have (Remote access via WAN).
>
> By mid-2014 I decided that time was a wasting since I wanted a reliable method for operating remotely; otherwise no HF.  I decided to get the K3 and K3/O-Mini combination and the Remote Rig (plus KPA500 and KAT500) and ordered them at the 2014 Huntsville Hamfest.  I received my gear and had it up and running right after the Labor Day holiday at the remote site in Southeast Georgia.  I?ve been pleased with the results because I could now operate from my primary residence in Massachusetts.  I can now log into the Sunday afternoon AMSAT net, rag chew, and listen to the ?banter? on the HF bands from 1,250 miles away from the transmitter site.  Pretty nice even if one can?t do everything remotely that one can do at the transmitter site.
>
> Meanwhile, the Flex-6700 is in the shack and I?ll focus on it when the firmware upgrades are made available in the future (the upgrades will require paying for renewal to the software subscription) so that I can operate it remotely through a PC or their new
> ?Maestro? display that will be available late this year (assuming it will have WAN capability as well at some point).  I have confidence in the overall quality of Flex Radio products and their desire to provide competitive equipment. The issue is that the timeline has been so long in providing the expected capability that I decided that if I wanted to operate ?Now?, I had to get a K3.  Even if I knew in advance that a year later a ?new? K3 would be released, I still would have ordered at Huntsville because ?time is a-wasting.?
>
> Bottom line is that we make decisions based upon what we know at the time those decisions are made.
>
> Enjoy what you have and avoid the regrets. You have a fine piece of equipment that you can enjoy for a number of years and if you wish to upgrade your existing setup at a later date, you certainly have that option.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
> WD4ASW
>


From thbauer at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 17:47:30 2015
From: thbauer at gmail.com (T.H. Bauer)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <CAB0HKYGvQSeYZ9m2OkAwGSDFn7WxxJMvKCfQUncw1njaWQG42g@mail.gmail.com>

I sincerely doubt you will regret the purchase, Jer. I recently acquired a
used K3, pretty well stocked, from a friend who upgraded to the K3S. The Rx
section is better than most every other rig I have used, including the
legacy Flex radios and most Yaesu. In my case, where I have high
environmental noise levels, the K3 NB does better than what I had raved
about with my Flex'es. And it's NB is less prone to being pumped by nearby
strong signals. IF DX and contests are your thing, you will not regret the
expenditure.

You have options:

   1. Buy used, well equipped;
   2. Buy used, barebones, and add features as you see fit over time (this
   is a real bonus);
   3. Buy a new Kit with features you MUST have and add others later;
   4. Buy new, factory assembled with features you MUST have and add others
   later.

List *your* requirements to meet *your* operating needs and proceed from
there to decide what options NEED to be in your K3/K3S.

There are few rigs available that are modular, allowing us to add
capability as our needs/usage changes. And, Yes, it is a lot of radio in a
nice, compact package. And that was a MUST in my case. (Oh, and flash does
not contacts make!)

73
---
Ted   WA3AER
K3 Newb

------------------------------
Original message:
Message: 16
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:59:05 -0400
From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on
        a       K3/K3S purchase?
Message-ID: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
as flashy as some.

Just a lot to think about as I save up.

Jer

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Aug  4 17:50:36 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:50:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] What firmware will be loaded in the new K3S?
In-Reply-To: <55C13156.10601@blomand.net>
References: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C13156.10601@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C133AC.6090000@socal.rr.com>

Bob,

I doubt any new radio will be loaded with a beta 
version of the firmware!

Phil W7OX

On 8/4/15 2:40 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> With all of the recent discussions related to 
> firmware, I'm wondering what will be loaded in 
> the new K3S that I have on order. And more 
> importantly, how stable will it be.
>
> I already serve as a beta test person for 
> another company.  I'm really not interesting in 
> taking on "another science project" of this 
> magnitude.
>
> 73 Bob, K4TAX


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 17:59:27 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 21:59:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] G0TZZ ...HI CUR on 20 & 30Meters.  Help??
In-Reply-To: <55C0FDDA.5080403@semaos.plus.com>
References: <55C0FDDA.5080403@semaos.plus.com>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.C8B09D78-82AD-45AC-BFF4-36650DC27D44@mail.outlook.com>

Are all the other bands working ok? From what you describe in the mail below, it sounds to me like you might have a sticky K5 relay in the BPF stage. I'd suggest contacting Elecraft support over that one.
73, Matt VK2RQ

    _____________________________
From: Christopher Soames <semaos at semaos.plus.com>
Sent: mercredi, ao?t 5, 2015 4:01 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] G0TZZ ...HI CUR on 20 & 30Meters.  Help??
To:  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>


Below is the message I posted at the end of July i have since discovered during a re calibration that I have exactly the same problem on 30 meters 10Megs.
Looks like the M3 is slowly keeling over on me.

Hi, hopefully someone can point me in the right direction to cure the
problem that has manifested itself on my K3.
When I TX using more than 11 Watts on 20metres shows HI CUR on the display.
When I TX using more than 20 Watts on 20 Metres the display shows HI CUR
for a second or two the the rig switches itself off.
I have tried 2 different antennas and a DUMMY load and the results are
always the same.
I have tried both antenna connectors, I have also checked the power
supply and it is feeding 13V into the rig.

I do have the internal antenna tuner fitted, When I tune on 20 metres I
do not  get the SWR reading at the top of the display. All I get is --
at the top and 5.0 W at the bottom with reference to tuning.

With the internal ATU bypassed I get exactly the same problem on 20 only
HI CUR and switches off.

Chris
G0TZZ

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From kk5na at kk5na.com  Tue Aug  4 19:13:10 2015
From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 18:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - for K2 : KDSP2 REDUCED and pictures
Message-ID: <004c01d0cf0b$21e8d000$65ba7000$@kk5na.com>


I am reducing the price on this module. 

I will ship it to continental U.S. for $ 159.00 and  will need more shipping
cost for DX,

Also pictures available upon request.

73 Joe KK5NA

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kk5na
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:37 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - for K2 : KDSP2 Advanced Internal DSP Filter / Clock

 

I have a KDSP2 module for the K2 from an Estate .

 

Did not build it and have not tested it.it looks completed, needs coin
battery.

 

Kit is $259.95, I will ship it to continental U.S. for $ 179.00 and  will
need more shipping cost for DX.

 

 

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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 19:13:22 2015
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 19:13:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKfCqR1fM8D+BjDbFgNLJXWp5ZisXud=uSXw2ky-XWd0KQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM34cKf-2uw_XQbsBycAf+FvXOxjpSEPxmjcr1qzi1CosMB83A@mail.gmail.com>
	<r422Ps-1075i-B7E339E5FFF54D3A85CC858DFAF6F4CC@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<CAM34cKfCqR1fM8D+BjDbFgNLJXWp5ZisXud=uSXw2ky-XWd0KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKeJSnJVX-=9fQ97S+zaYnPYAFEsBN9fyPCS56VywVY2kQ@mail.gmail.com>

FLDigi and DM780 both have this feature as does the program I mentioned in
my earlier post PSKer for the iPAD.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

From b.denley at comcast.net  Tue Aug  4 20:17:28 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HP50G
In-Reply-To: <55C10B19.3030009@socal.rr.com>
References: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C10B19.3030009@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CB0D3981-95F1-49B8-903B-D13A6AB73A5B@comcast.net>

I do but still like my old 28s

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> $73.38 at Amazon now, it appears.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 8/4/15 10:54 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote:
>> Recently sprung for a 50G after perusing vids at:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1-PpkqcSWX53vsPaZaFWgvVF26ewosH6. I
>> was a bio major so had little calculus in college.  This machine makes it
>> easy. In fact, all the vids at this guy's site are very understandable.
>> 
>> Ever since K9YC prescribed "tough love" (e.g hit the theory books) I've
>> been trying to backfill what I missed by not being an EE.
>> 
>> Other than requiring good ambient light to be readable it seems like a good
>> purchase. OfficeSupply had it on sale for $84 the day I surfed. They want
>> $151 now.
>> 
>> Anybody use a 50G?
>> 73 chuck
> 
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From john.turgoose at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 20:22:50 2015
From: john.turgoose at gmail.com (VE3NFK)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:22:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] HP50G
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438734170393-7605904.post@n2.nabble.com>


If you have an ipad, ipod, iphone;  this $10 app will let you have an HP50G

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hp50g/id553279622?mt=8

73 John VE3NFK



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Aug  4 20:27:23 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] What firmware will be loaded in the new K3S?
In-Reply-To: <55C13156.10601@blomand.net>
References: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C13156.10601@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C1586B.1060103@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,8/4/2015 2:40 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> With all of the recent discussions related to firmware, I'm wondering 
> what will be loaded in the new K3S that I have on order. And more 
> importantly, how stable will it be.
>
> I already serve as a beta test person for another company.  I'm really 
> not interesting in taking on "another science project" of this magnitude.

Hi Bob,

No undesired science projects here. Elecraft does not release production 
firmware until it has been thoroughly tested. A dedicated program called 
K3Utility is used to download firmware and load it to your K3. It 
automatically queries the Elecraft ftp site for PRODUCTION firmware, 
downloads it, and asks you if you want to upload it to your radio.

Beta firmware is in a different directory, is clearly labeled as such,  
and is NOT automatically accessed by K3Utility. To access beta firmware, 
you must download it with a browser or ftp utility, and unzip it to the 
directory on your local hard drive where K3Utility stores its files.

73, Jim K9YC

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Aug  4 20:38:54 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 19:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] What firmware will be loaded in the new K3S?
In-Reply-To: <55C1586B.1060103@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAAuJiTyJKLXbJ44bEAfxeHT2paY1OcuVTMn3BndVPVY9tuta+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C13156.10601@blomand.net> <55C1586B.1060103@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55C15B1E.5000103@blomand.net>

Thanks Jim!   That's very good news.   Now just waiting on the K3S to 
show up at my door.    Maybe next week???????

I have the K3Utility on the computer and I have the Owners Manual in a 
binder and have had so for 4 weeks.  And I've read it several times too.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/4/2015 7:27 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Tue,8/4/2015 2:40 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> With all of the recent discussions related to firmware, I'm wondering 
>> what will be loaded in the new K3S that I have on order. And more 
>> importantly, how stable will it be.
>>
>> I already serve as a beta test person for another company.  I'm 
>> really not interesting in taking on "another science project" of this 
>> magnitude.
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> No undesired science projects here. Elecraft does not release 
> production firmware until it has been thoroughly tested. A dedicated 
> program called K3Utility is used to download firmware and load it to 
> your K3. It automatically queries the Elecraft ftp site for PRODUCTION 
> firmware, downloads it, and asks you if you want to upload it to your 
> radio.
>
> Beta firmware is in a different directory, is clearly labeled as 
> such,  and is NOT automatically accessed by K3Utility. To access beta 
> firmware, you must download it with a browser or ftp utility, and 
> unzip it to the directory on your local hard drive where K3Utility 
> stores its files.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Tue Aug  4 21:42:32 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
Message-ID: <55C16A08.8090001@arrl.net>

I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.

When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first 
to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am 
using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I 
am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".

TIA, 72, Byron


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Tue Aug  4 21:47:10 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 02:47:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>

Hi all.

I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.

I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a sensible assumption?

If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune? button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)? 

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 22:49:21 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 22:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
Message-ID: <CANckpc3w4sDjKE=NUVHiNrD2kLk2XMzEARB2b4c71D57mtm8CQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/3/2015 4:22 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
"Maybe I can offer a counterpoint, I do regret my K3 purchase.  But I will
not be selling it."

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:

> The characters are being received from the USB keyboard and displayed in
> the send portion of the monitor correctly.  (my terminology)
> As they are being sent to the K3, I can hear the skip as it occurs, and I
> do not see the skipped character displayed on the K3 display panel.
> When a space is dropped, the two words get joined together.
>

A buffer one-character overrun problem it would seem.

It appears that this is about the on-monitor Keyboard functions associated
with the SVGA board in the P3, not the K3. and the SVGA would own the
buffer overrun problem. Or is there something else actually in the K3?

To characterize this as a K3 or even a P3 problem is inaccurate. The SVGA
board is a separate product release, even if its firmware is loaded via the
P3 utility. The SVGA board stuff is still considerably in user beta. I note
that all the 3rd party standalone programs that do this "terminal" stuff
have gone through gaggles of releases along the way. Elecraft is just
getting started in this genre.

This gets down to the old argument, debated over a million different things
in life, that if you want something almost perfect, you need to wait until
user beta test cycles have shaken out all the cooties. As in never buy the
first model year of a new car, etc, etc.

HOWEVER

There are those of us who ENJOY shaking out the cooties, and ENJOY the
process of living out on the bleeding edge, and we will happily do this
bug-searching self-flagellating discovery exercise for those who don't
share the appetite, and they can blissfully wait it out until an app stops
wiggling because we quit finding bugs. And we will not begrudge them even
an instant for living off our digging and debugging, because it's fun for
us. You're welcome to it. Live long and prosper. May you happily enjoy
playing video games with your great-great-grandchildren.

Wayne knows that we addicted debuggers are out there and that we enjoy the
process. He takes commercial advantage of it. Good thing and we don't care.
If he had to PAY for all that testing, costs would be MUCH higher, and
therefore a K3 would cost a lot more, or would be way less bang for the
buck. Maybe our symbiosis keeps him from having to do business like
Yakencom --  where we get all our improvements by paying for an entire
brand new model. Maybe we keep Elecraft from going under, who instead
amazingly survives the great recession without slowing down.

Some on the reflector take a dim view of this symbiotic manufacturer/user
development process. But it helps keep us in new features from what is in
reality a small niche (ham radio) small company.

A lot of us are enjoying the SVGA board. I was amazed what I could do with
it in the NAQP CW contest last weekend. Elecraft fixes the stuff we tell
them about, so your issue, irritating as it may be at this moment, is on a
list and will get resolved with all the others.

73, Guy K2AV

From tom at nilza.org  Tue Aug  4 23:21:55 2015
From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 20:21:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had buyers remorse on a
 K3/K3S purchase?
In-Reply-To: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <007401d0cdec$2edf0c90$8c9d25b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C18153.6050505@nilza.org>

Hi Jer,

Zero remorse during the couple months it took to have them shipped. Zero 
remorse in the years since then. And I have added a P3, KPA500 and 
KAT500. In process of adding upgrade parts that are included in the K3S.

Yes, I bought two. One fully loaded and the other minimally loaded. Zero 
flashy and outstanding performance. Great when the flashy high end 
radios cost much more and had much poorer performance. Since then have 
picked up a KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 with tuner.

73, tom w7sua

On 8/3/2015 5:59 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Just asking. It's a lot of money but appears to be a lot of radio. It's not
> as flashy as some.
>
> Just a lot to think about as I save up.
>
> Jer


From docwatt at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 00:09:23 2015
From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 21:09:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone gone
Message-ID: <CD728718-2712-4E4C-94C3-9C6EFF5AF64D@gmail.com>

My K2, recently aligned and tuned up with the help of Don Wilhelm, lost the CW side tone. It clicks when you close the key, and there is no SPOT tone or if you try to change the tone volume in the menu there is no sound. 
As a guess, I may have had a short in the key plug, where to start looking?  I couldn?t see the audio oscillator in the schematic.

Tom
KN6DR

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 00:20:11 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 04:20:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone gone
In-Reply-To: <CD728718-2712-4E4C-94C3-9C6EFF5AF64D@gmail.com>
References: <CD728718-2712-4E4C-94C3-9C6EFF5AF64D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.EB9EB72F-C37C-490B-A9E4-51F8B6DD8C80@mail.outlook.com>

Check the ST L (ie. sidetone source) menu item setting.

73, Matt VK2RQ




On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:10 PM -0700, "Tom Field" <docwatt at gmail.com> wrote:










My K2, recently aligned and tuned up with the help of Don Wilhelm, lost the CW side tone. It clicks when you close the key, and there is no SPOT tone or if you try to change the tone volume in the menu there is no sound. 
As a guess, I may have had a short in the key plug, where to start looking?  I couldn?t see the audio oscillator in the schematic.

Tom
KN6DR
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Wed Aug  5 01:44:21 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 00:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3w4sDjKE=NUVHiNrD2kLk2XMzEARB2b4c71D57mtm8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANckpc3w4sDjKE=NUVHiNrD2kLk2XMzEARB2b4c71D57mtm8CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP282175B3EFFFB1A388A741BF750@phx.gbl>

On 8/4/2015 9:49 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>
> It appears that this is about the on-monitor Keyboard functions 
> associated with the SVGA board in the P3, not the K3. and the SVGA 
> would own the buffer overrun problem. Or is there something else 
> actually in the K3?


At this point, we don't know what is failing, or where.  The K3 
typically receives each character from the P3/SVGA and produces the CW 
code and side tone for each element as the character is being 
transmitted.  It also displays each alpha-numeric character on the K3 
display.  When a character is skipped, none of those actions are 
happening in the K3.  Then, there is the RS232 between the two units to 
consider.  The fact that it fails independent of speed, even at very 
slow speed is the curious part.

This thread got off on a tangent when it was suggested to Marc that he 
use a computer for CW with the K3.  If doing so, isn't it a function of 
the sound card line in and out, and not the RS232 to transfer the code?  
Perhaps I'm forgetting something.  I make mistakes when it's late and 
I'm tired.

Dick, n0ce




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 04:00:32 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:00:32 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
In-Reply-To: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>
References: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>
Message-ID: <4E7007F3-9495-49E1-983D-C8DFB6FB5881@gmail.com>

It would be interesting to compare the toroids and capacitors in both products. My guess is that they would be similar, and the difference in ratings is based on the degree to which the manufacturer wishes to be conservative. As I've said on numerous occasions, MFJ products are rated in MFJ watts, which are half the size of regular watts (Pmfj = 2EI).

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:47 AM, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.
> 
> I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a sensible assumption?
> 
> If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune? button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)? 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 06:46:03 2015
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 06:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HP50G
In-Reply-To: <1438734170393-7605904.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAC04G9iYsoRQs2VEY_jJ7QOk+vOpv1K467UfMTKpyMdcZERrdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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A really nice, free HP42s look alike is at

  http://thomasokken.com/free42/

73,
Mike ab3ap

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:22 PM, VE3NFK <john.turgoose at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> If you have an ipad, ipod, iphone;  this $10 app will let you have an HP50G
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hp50g/id553279622?mt=8
>
> 73 John VE3NFK
>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug  5 07:31:54 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:31:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Sidetone gone
In-Reply-To: <CD728718-2712-4E4C-94C3-9C6EFF5AF64D@gmail.com>
References: <CD728718-2712-4E4C-94C3-9C6EFF5AF64D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C1F42A.9020605@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

The sidetone is generated by the MCU along with help from Control Board U8.
I suspect that you have the wrong sidetone source selected.
Go to the ST L menu and edit the menu parameter - set the level to 
something decent, like 40.
Then tap DISPLAY to change the sidetone source - it is a toggle. Stop 
when you hear sidetone and tap MENU twice to exit the menu.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/5/2015 12:09 AM, Tom Field wrote:
> My K2, recently aligned and tuned up with the help of Don Wilhelm, lost the CW side tone. It clicks when you close the key, and there is no SPOT tone or if you try to change the tone volume in the menu there is no sound.
> As a guess, I may have had a short in the key plug, where to start looking?  I couldn?t see the audio oscillator in the schematic.
>
>


From dpbunte at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 07:44:04 2015
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:44:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
In-Reply-To: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>
References: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbSSoiH55oqF7FFYcbQPUvrGmBg29uxukVv1ExmJFcuYCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Alan -

If you are satisfied with the performance of the MFJ tuner, you can
certainly give it a try.  A friend of mine had one to sell a few years ago,
and let me try it on my very NON-resonant antenna.  I have a 30' vertical
that requires a tuner on any except 30 meters.  The tuner in the K3 handles
it quite well on 40 through 6 meters, but struggles on 80, where the native
SWR is about 18:1.  The MFJ 998 could not achieve a decent match on 2 or 3
bands, including 40 meters, which is one of my favorite bands.  I wanted to
get an amplifier, so I did not did not buy the 998.  I now have the KAT500
and KPA500.  The KAT500 has no trouble with those bands, so I can run my
amp at full power when and where I want... except for 80.  For that band, I
switch to a Palstar AT-AUTO, and can run the amp at 500 watts.  I know they
don't all get to the antenna, but I have only 30' of coax from there to the
antenna, and the coax is LMR600, so I have mitigated the losses somewhat.

A friend had a MFJ998 that he mounted outside in a weatherproof enclosure,
and ran 1500 watts to an inverted L.  He was very happy with that setup,
until a tree fell on the enclosure and destroyed the tuner.  He then bought
the MFJ998RT, and last I heard he was satisfied with it.

I am sorry, but I am not sure about the integration of the KAT500 with your
Icom 7100.  Another friend used his Icom 7566PROIII with his KAT500, and
had to press Tune on the rig... and then Tune on the tuner... but once the
settings were memorized, then just a single DIT from the key, or a syllable
or two on SSB and the KAT500 was all set and ready to go.

73 de Dave - K9FN

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:47 PM, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.
>
> I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that
> the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a
> sensible assumption?
>
> If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and
> is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune?
> button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 08:00:20 2015
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:00:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SideKar vs PX3
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-B7E339E5FFF54D3A85CC858DFAF6F4CC@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <CAM34cKf-2uw_XQbsBycAf+FvXOxjpSEPxmjcr1qzi1CosMB83A@mail.gmail.com>
	<r422Ps-1075i-B7E339E5FFF54D3A85CC858DFAF6F4CC@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKf4O1WwvjpG3N2nF4LtpBL0Q9i-gs0Fu124Oj9qK3nkhA@mail.gmail.com>

FLDigi and DM780 both have this feature as does the program I mentioned in
my earlier post PSKer for the iPAD.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> The most useful feature I have found for PSK frequency drift is the
> ability to decode the past. If you miss part of a transmission, you can go
> back and try to decode it again with a different frequency setting.
>
> cocoaModem for the Mac has this feature. Any signal still on the waterfall
> can be decoded. When it finishes decoding the signal on the waterfall, it
> automatically continues decoding the new parts of the signal as they come
> in. cocoaModem is the only program I know of for any computer which has
> this feature. I would love to know of other programs which include it.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
>

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug  5 08:54:21 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:54:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
Message-ID: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>

Hi folks,

    As I save up for my radio I'm doing a lot of research and educational
reading about radios. This morning the lightbulb came on as to WHY the K3S
is the best choice. You see, I used to run my own computer company and OEM
my own computers. One of the largest frustrations for customers was having a
new computer which is outdated in 6-12 months. Features or technologies come
out that would force you to purchase an entirely new computer to get those
features/technologies if you wanted/needed them.

 

Enter the Elecraft K3 Platform. So not only are we able to buy some of the
best technology available at the time; we are able to update over time as
technology and features as they develop. For me that's huge. I consider the
Kenwood TS-850s I had during my first go around in the hobby. Today, it
would be considered a good radio but lacking because of the design and
unavailable technologies (DSP hello??).

 

I do wish I could obtain my K3S at lower cost but I understand supply vs
demand and prices are always set at the highest level the market will bear.
The prices reflect a high demand which I would expect to continue.

 

Why buy built in obsolescence when you can buy open upgradability? 

 

You could try to argue that the price is too high. That you can almost buy
two radios with similar specs for the cost of one base model K3*. Maybe you
can, however, What happens to the value of that radio when new technology
comes out? Yep, you guessed it, the manufacturer comes out with a new model
and the value of your current model drops like a hot rock.

 

Now let's look at the K* models. The previous version (the K3) is STILL
holding value as far as I can see based on the sales postings. I'm not sure
what they were new but from what I've seen they are $2000 used with NO
WARRANTY, mostly upgradable to the current model (as far as I can tell the
things that can't be updated are minor), and are STILL ranked high on the
list of testing specs being compared to current new models from other manf. 

 

In conclusion. Why not buy a radio that can grow with you and change as the
technology or your needs change?

 

I don't work for Elecraft or any of it's affiliates. This is just my
ramblings based on what I have experienced and what I see. 

 

I'm still saving up lint and bits of colored paper to purchase my new K3S at
the Shelby NC Hamfest at the end of this month. It's going to be a terribly
close race and I'll be getting the barebones model.

 

.. es 73

Jer

AE4PB 


From breedenwb at cableone.net  Wed Aug  5 09:18:19 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
Message-ID: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net>


Byron,

I never noticed the behavior you described until you pointed it out, but 
I see now that my K3 works the same way.  I have been using the file 
"Elecraft K3 X5" with DX4WIN to drive my K3 for several years. I suspect 
the radio is doing exactly what DX4WIN is requesting.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


[Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN

Byron Peebles NZ3O at arrl.net
Tue Aug 4 21:42:32 EDT 2015

I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.

When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first
to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am
using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I
am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".

TIA, 72, Byron

From turnbull at net1.ie  Wed Aug  5 09:20:46 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 13:20:46 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <2F7255764ACF4084ADB08DF43FE804BA@DOUG1>

Jer,
    Your post is well put.   I would further add these positive points for
Elecraft:
1) Modular design allows one to start with a more basic radio and upgrade as
ones needs and means allow.    For some the second receiver is just not
needed.   

2) The radios are stated are upgraded and this has been an on-going process
for seven or eight years now.    Another USA manufacturer started this way
but dropped the ball.

3) Eric, Wayne, Lyle and other design engineers are available on the forum
to answer questions if they are not otherwise handled.    We know the forum
is monitored and responded to.

4) Tech support is excellent from California.

5) The Sherwood and other independent tests indicate that indeed this radio
is one of the best on the market.

6) "True" diversity reception can be achieved and this is an advantage for
some though of course expensive.

     I really do not have anything negative to say.

                73 Doug EI2CN



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Moore
Sent: 05 August 2015 12:54
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

Hi folks,

    As I save up for my radio I'm doing a lot of research and educational
reading about radios. This morning the lightbulb came on as to WHY the K3S
is the best choice. You see, I used to run my own computer company and OEM
my own computers. One of the largest frustrations for customers was having a
new computer which is outdated in 6-12 months. Features or technologies come
out that would force you to purchase an entirely new computer to get those
features/technologies if you wanted/needed them.

 

Enter the Elecraft K3 Platform. So not only are we able to buy some of the
best technology available at the time; we are able to update over time as
technology and features as they develop. For me that's huge. I consider the
Kenwood TS-850s I had during my first go around in the hobby. Today, it
would be considered a good radio but lacking because of the design and
unavailable technologies (DSP hello??).

 

I do wish I could obtain my K3S at lower cost but I understand supply vs
demand and prices are always set at the highest level the market will bear.
The prices reflect a high demand which I would expect to continue.

 

Why buy built in obsolescence when you can buy open upgradability? 

 

You could try to argue that the price is too high. That you can almost buy
two radios with similar specs for the cost of one base model K3*. Maybe you
can, however, What happens to the value of that radio when new technology
comes out? Yep, you guessed it, the manufacturer comes out with a new model
and the value of your current model drops like a hot rock.

 

Now let's look at the K* models. The previous version (the K3) is STILL
holding value as far as I can see based on the sales postings. I'm not sure
what they were new but from what I've seen they are $2000 used with NO
WARRANTY, mostly upgradable to the current model (as far as I can tell the
things that can't be updated are minor), and are STILL ranked high on the
list of testing specs being compared to current new models from other manf. 

 

In conclusion. Why not buy a radio that can grow with you and change as the
technology or your needs change?

 

I don't work for Elecraft or any of it's affiliates. This is just my
ramblings based on what I have experienced and what I see. 

 

I'm still saving up lint and bits of colored paper to purchase my new K3S at
the Shelby NC Hamfest at the end of this month. It's going to be a terribly
close race and I'll be getting the barebones model.

 

.. es 73

Jer

AE4PB 

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug  5 09:44:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (kc9ee. via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 06:44:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] mIC gAIN GOES TO ZERO
In-Reply-To: <1426899502827-7600488.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1426899502827-7600488.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1438782258723-7605923.post@n2.nabble.com>

Jerry, did find a resolution to this? I'm 99% cw so never noticed this
before. My K3 is doing this with N1MM+. Decided to work the new Phone Fray.
That's when I found it.

73,

Gary KC9EE



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From lists at subich.com  Wed Aug  5 10:02:22 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:02:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
In-Reply-To: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net>
References: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55C2176E.5030802@subich.com>


> When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches
> first to the band, then SSB, and then CW.

Does the K3 actually switch to SSB or does it switch to the last used
mode on the "new" band before actually switching to the requested mode?

The K3/K3S stores mode by band and will recall the last used mode each
time you switch bands.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-08-05 9:18 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>
> Byron,
>
> I never noticed the behavior you described until you pointed it out, but
> I see now that my K3 works the same way.  I have been using the file
> "Elecraft K3 X5" with DX4WIN to drive my K3 for several years. I suspect
> the radio is doing exactly what DX4WIN is requesting.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill - NA5DX
>
>
> [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
>
> Byron Peebles NZ3O at arrl.net
> Tue Aug 4 21:42:32 EDT 2015
>
> I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.
>
> When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first
> to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
> The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am
> using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I
> am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".
>
> TIA, 72, Byron
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From breedenwb at cableone.net  Wed Aug  5 10:19:15 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 09:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
Message-ID: <55C21B63.1050901@cableone.net>


Joe,

Good point.  I should have made some more tests before replying. After 
another look, when I select a spot that requires a band change, my K3 
stays in CW mode if the destination band was already in CW mode.

Thanks and 73,

Bill - NA5DX


[Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN

Joe Subich, W4TV lists at subich.com
Wed Aug 5 10:02:22 EDT 2015
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 > When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches
 > first to the band, then SSB, and then CW.

Does the K3 actually switch to SSB or does it switch to the last used
mode on the "new" band before actually switching to the requested mode?

The K3/K3S stores mode by band and will recall the last used mode each
time you switch bands.

73,

     ... Joe, W4TV

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Wed Aug  5 10:56:09 2015
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 10:56:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TXMonitor
Message-ID: <xbjebb534ah84wqemeliefas.1438786569349@email.android.com>


    
Received mine yesterday. Was thinking of making a switching box to switch between sensors. Looking at the manual, looks like you need to tell the P3 the span of the current sensor. Could do this via a arduino but the programmer's manual hasn't been updated for the TXmonitor. Anyone know the commands associated with the monitor functions?
Harlan?NC3C?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Aug  5 11:39:03 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 08:39:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TXMonitor
In-Reply-To: <xbjebb534ah84wqemeliefas.1438786569349@email.android.com>
References: <xbjebb534ah84wqemeliefas.1438786569349@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <55C22E17.5000100@sonic.net>

The P3 TX monitor automatically detects what type of sensor is 
installed.  The sensor includes a resistor connected to one of the 
connector pins.  The P3 reads the resistor value to figure out which 
sensor (200W HF, 2 kW HF or VHF) is installed.

Alan N1AL


On 08/05/2015 07:56 AM, hsherriff wrote:
>
>
> Received mine yesterday. Was thinking of making a switching box to switch between sensors. Looking at the manual, looks like you need to tell the P3 the span of the current sensor. Could do this via a arduino but the programmer's manual hasn't been updated for the TXmonitor. Anyone know the commands associated with the monitor functions?
> Harlan NC3C
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug  5 11:21:27 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
Message-ID: <00a001d0cf92$67445250$35ccf6f0$@carolinaheli.com>

My thoughts would be that all devices use the USB instead of RS232. By
design the USB is a BUS rather than a point to point protocol as is RS232.
Especially with USB3 throughputs this would make a better interconnect.
Another thought would be an Ethernet connection in addition to the USB3. I
can see the future potential in an additional microcontroller on the I/O and
if it's not already the standard, using the universal serial bus (USB) for
all peripheral interconnects. Makes sense to me anyway.

 

As far as I'm concerned tho the setup works fine as is J, I am going to go
back and do one more look at the TS-590SG. It's a close call but I'm
comparing a quarterhorse to a drafthorse and justifying spending almost
twice as much more to get the drafthorse. 

 

The built in obsolescence of the TS-590SG is a big negative for me.

 

Back on topic of CW via keyboard.. I've not found in the docs where
connecting a keyboard directly to the K3S is even supported?? Maybe it's a
feature of the P3.. 

 

Jer

 

 

On 8/4/2015 9:49 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> 

> It appears that this is about the on-monitor Keyboard functions 

> associated with the SVGA board in the P3, not the K3. and the SVGA 

> would own the buffer overrun problem. Or is there something else 

> actually in the K3?

 

 

At this point, we don't know what is failing, or where.  The K3 

typically receives each character from the P3/SVGA and produces the CW 

code and side tone for each element as the character is being 

transmitted.  It also displays each alpha-numeric character on the K3 

display.  When a character is skipped, none of those actions are 

happening in the K3.  Then, there is the RS232 between the two units to 

consider.  The fact that it fails independent of speed, even at very 

slow speed is the curious part.

 

This thread got off on a tangent when it was suggested to Marc that he 

use a computer for CW with the K3.  If doing so, isn't it a function of 

the sound card line in and out, and not the RS232 to transfer the code?  

Perhaps I'm forgetting something.  I make mistakes when it's late and 

I'm tired.

 

Dick, n0ce

 


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug  5 12:33:53 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
Message-ID: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>

Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been
reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues
that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know? 

I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to
ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their
units J

 

Jer


From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Aug  5 12:48:09 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 09:48:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
Message-ID: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>

I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order page
to help future customers select a suitable keyboard.  If you're using a
keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
number it is, price you paid, etc. 


Thanks and kind regards, 

Paul n6hz




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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Aug  5 13:11:56 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:54 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I do wish I could obtain my K3S at lower cost but I understand supply vs
> demand and prices are always set at the highest level the market will bear.
> The prices reflect a high demand which I would expect to continue.

 From my perspective as a close observer and retired from running a 
small business, it appears to me that Elecraft sets prices at the level 
needed to stay in business while maintaining the quality of current and 
future products and the quality of product support. Elecraft is owned by 
two engineers, both of whom are moderately active on the ham bands. I've 
seen Eric's home -- it's nice, but modest. I suspect the same of Wayne. 
These are not your big biz moguls.

I own three K3s, three P3s, a KPA500, two KAT500s, and a loaded 
KX3/KXPA100 rig. Two of those K3s are 2007 vintage, and one has been 
serviced several times. The KPA500 was serviced last month. Service has 
been good and costs have been reasonable.

Last week, a ham posted an invoice for repair by the new owners of Ten 
Tec for his Orion II. It was just short of $1K.

73, Jim K9YC

From fromjusttheking at frontier.com  Wed Aug  5 13:21:30 2015
From: fromjusttheking at frontier.com (fromjusttheking at frontier.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:21:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <572940237.586261.1438795290584.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Alan,

I think I can give you some insight. I have the KAT500 auto tuner that I used first with my Icom IC-756Pro3, and now with my IC-7600. I also have an IC-7000 as well for mobile use, but have not used it with it, and since it doesn't have a built in auto tuner, I don't know for sure what amount of RF it may put out when a non-Icom auto tuner is connected to its Molex tuner port. For an Icom AH-4 for example, its specs state that tuning power required is 5-15 watts and that radiated power during tuning is less than 0.3 watt.

If you use the KAT500 with any rig that does have an internal automatic tuner, make absolutely sure that it is turned off at any time the KAT500 is in use. Internal auto tuners and external auto tuners do not cohabit well, consequently, any tune settings will be greatly suspect. Its either one or the other, never both in circuit at the same time.

I too intended to use it by pushing the TUNER on the rig, which puts out about 10 watts or so as all modern Icom transceivers do as far as I know. Unfortunately, the KAT500 really needs to see somewhere in the vicinity of about 30 watts RF out, in order to accurately tune the radio. I talked to Elecraft tech support extensively, (who by the way are about the best in the business, both professionally and technically) regarding getting different tune settings using the tuner button (at 10 watts out) on the rig vs manually setting power out to about 30 watts.
On the Elecraft website, in the FAQ's, it says:
Q: Can I use a 5 or 10 watt radio with the KAT500?A: The KAT500 can tune with 10 W but we recommend 20 W to 100 W for best tuning accuracy. If the KAT500 has already stored a tuning memory for the current frequency, it is possible to recall the tuned memory setting with less than 10 W. The KAT500 measures transmit frequency to automatically select tuning memories and antennas.
So, based on Elecraft tech support's recommendations, I manually used 30 watts to "train" the tuner to memorize all the frequencies I wanted to be stored, which worked very well, and continues to do so to this day. But that is WITHOUT using the TUNER button on the rig WITH a cable connected between Icom's TUNER Molex connector on the back of the rig, and the other end going to the back of the KAT500's TUNE jack and power jack.

 The bottom line turned out to be that IF the rig's TUNER button is used to train or use the KAT500 to tune new frequencies (with the cable described above and because it only puts out 10 watts this way), the results you get will not be as accurate, or reliable as those you would get by manually using it using the TUNE button on the KAT500 itself (with no cable connected to the Molex connector on the rig going to the KAT500). All of this was verified by Elecraft.
In reality, using the TUNE button on the KAT500 is just as fast as using the tuner button on the rig with the sole exception that you DO have to set the power out to about 30 watts. It may well be that it will work similarly with your IC-7000.

Hope this gives you some insight as to what I found out. If you get the KAT500, you will love it!!! I do. Let us know how it works for you. I'm sure that others will be very interested as well.

73, Alan, AB6C

Original Message:
Message: 15Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 02:47:10 +0100
From: "G4GNX" <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475 at Paramount>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="Windows-1252"

Hi all.

I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.

I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a sensible assumption?

If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune? button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)? 

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From K8UT at charter.net  Wed Aug  5 13:39:40 2015
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT))
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 13:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Testers wanted: nVSP application on RaspberryPi - K3, K3S,
	LP-Pan, NaP3, SteppIR, PW1
In-Reply-To: <55C21B63.1050901@cableone.net>
References: <55C21B63.1050901@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <AAE82C08520A45D48D40C4C3397CD20A@K8UTPC>

nVSP (non-Virtual Serial Port) is a serial port router that runs on 
RaspberryPi and replaces Virtual Serial Port applications like LP-Bridge 
that run on Windows. Aside from my desire to avoid running a VSP for my 
LP-Pan/NaP3 panadapter, nVSP also translates the K3 CAT protocol to Icom 
CI-V frequency data for my PW1 amplifier. Alpha tests at two hams' stations 
using K3Ss, various logging programs, an LP-Pan/NaP3, and PW1s have been 
successful and I am now looking for a broader audience to test the program. 
The SteppIR controller interface has not been tested (don't have any SteppIR 
gear, but it should work).

If you have been unwilling or unable to install a VSP on your computer this 
free program may solve those problems.
Download the documentation and executable   nVSP.zip   here:
http://www.k8ut.com/tiki-list_file_gallery.php

True Cost Disclaimer: nVSP is free but the associated RPi, cabinet, and 
multiple serial adapter cables will probably cost you between $125 and $175 
dollars. Links to various suppliers are included in the manual.

-larry (K8UT)


From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  5 15:10:23 2015
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:10:23 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
In-Reply-To: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <005a01d0cfb2$6248f060$26dad120$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Paul,
I use a wireless Logitech K360 keyboard.
I bought it at Staples for $40.00.
I know I could have bought it cheaper elsewhere, but it was one of those
"got to have it now" moments.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Saffren N6HZ
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 4:48 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?

I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order
page to help future customers select a suitable keyboard.  If you're using a
keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
number it is, price you paid, etc. 


Thanks and kind regards, 

Paul n6hz




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From jvandrey at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 16:27:44 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 15:27:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B manual changes in the enabling process
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTx4=GRH+kfzmtA_V7UukjYXcTd=3ADvCWbrUtRp9C=maA@mail.gmail.com>

There has been a recent change to the KXV3B manual that describes a
different enabling procedure.

When I ordered my module around the time of Dayton, the manual shipped with
the unit was revision C with a May 27th date.  The current manual online
shows a date of July 27th and a revision ID of C2.

The enabling instructions between the two manuals on the last pages are
different between the versions.  If you received one of the early shipments
of this module as I did, you may want to check this.

73

Jobst
AC0LP

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug  5 17:04:41 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:04:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

"Last week, a ham posted an invoice for repair by the new owners of Ten?
Tec for his Orion II. It was just short of $1K"
Unless we know what work was required, it is impossible to tell if the $1k bill is outrageous, extremely fair, or something in between. ?
I would be be careful not to read too much into this. ?Plus, what can we make based on a sample of "one". ?
We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the details of the billing used for comparison. ?Elecraft stands on its own.
73,
Bob/AA6VB      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
   
On Wed,8/5/2015 5:54 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I do wish I could obtain my K3S at lower cost but I understand supply vs
> demand and prices are always set at the highest level the market will bear.
> The prices reflect a high demand which I would expect to continue.

 From my perspective as a close observer and retired from running a 
small business, it appears to me that Elecraft sets prices at the level 
needed to stay in business while maintaining the quality of current and 
future products and the quality of product support. Elecraft is owned by 
two engineers, both of whom are moderately active on the ham bands. I've 
seen Eric's home -- it's nice, but modest. I suspect the same of Wayne. 
These are not your big biz moguls.

I own three K3s, three P3s, a KPA500, two KAT500s, and a loaded 
KX3/KXPA100 rig. Two of those K3s are 2007 vintage, and one has been 
serviced several times. The KPA500 was serviced last month. Service has 
been good and costs have been reasonable.

Last week, a ham posted an invoice for repair by the new owners of Ten 
Tec for his Orion II. It was just short of $1K.

73, Jim K9YC
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From w4ktr at charter.net  Wed Aug  5 17:21:01 2015
From: w4ktr at charter.net (Keith Robinson)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Audio
Message-ID: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>

To all the new K3S owners,
I need a little help with an issue I am having with my K3S so I thought 
I would ask for some input. 
The issue is with audio being sent from the PC to radio thru the USB cable. Simply put, I have non. Receive audio going back to the PC
from the radio is fine. The S meter on HRD sees signals just fine. I can decode CW , PSK , and RTTY fine also.
I just can?t transmit any audio. By the way CW sends great, no problem with that.
Doesn?t matter what the source is. Could be a digital program or a logging program or a contesting program.
I tried DVK files (wav.files) even  recorded music but nothing.

It appears that Windows is doing it?s job here. You can see the audio being played on the little meters in the playback devices window.
But nothing at the radio.
I have tried this on 3 different computers with the same results. With different OS. Win.7, Win.8.1.
USB drivers seem to load fine when I connect the radio.
I checked all the menu settings.

Just don?t know where to go from here.
Am I missing something? 

Any suggestions would be appreciated 

Keith Robinson
W4KTR

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From n9tf at comcast.net  Wed Aug  5 17:46:26 2015
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:46:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
In-Reply-To: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <1183209064.23145695.1438811186003.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Hi Jer, 
? 
Solder spidering, or "Tin whiskers" has always been an issue, even when 60/40 SnPb solder was the "standard". In the past decade, the switch to non lead, or RoHS compliant solders has, mandated the removal of Pb in solder. With the absence of Pb and a much higher content of Sn, typically 96.5% of the solder formulation, tin whiskering has become more of a taking point and in some cases, problems in micro and especially nano circuits. 
The typical formulation for solder paste (for reflow) and solder pots is 96.5%Sn, 3%Ag, and .5%Cu. It's the brighteners in the Sn that are crucial to midagate the tin whisker growth. 
Although I did not see anything on the Elecraft web site that stated RoHS compliant, I would bet that their PCBs are being soldered with this type of RoHS compliant material, as Elecraft is selling into the EU marketplace, where these restrictions are enforced. 
? 
As far as tin whiskering issues for the type of PCB's that are designed into these products, I do not think one should fear and "shorting" issues due to tin growth, as the pad spacing and line spacing is not at a critical spacing. Tin whisker growth is a very slow process, and we humans will probably be gone before anything like that would present a problem, especially in the "normal" conditions we operate the gear. 
? 
I would be more concerned about cold solder connections as the newer RoHS solders require higher temps to reflow. That too has pretty much been handled over time with pretty precise solder reflow apparatus, and tweaks over the years on the paste and solder formulations. 
? 
73 Gene, N9TF? 

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From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 11:33:53 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type? 

Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been 
reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues 
that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know? 

I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to 
ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their 
units J 

? 

Jer 

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug  5 17:49:39 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
Message-ID: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>

HI

I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT. 
I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'


Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
Web:?http://www.wp3c.comule.com/



From lists at subich.com  Wed Aug  5 18:10:32 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
In-Reply-To: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <55C289D8.3080102@subich.com>



> I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.

If you have a legitimate Prolific device, check Windows Update.

First thing to do is open Windows Device Manager, identify the
USB to serial adapter, open the detail of that device, uninstall
the device/driver, disconnect the device, perform a cold boot
(In Windows 10, Right-click Power and select Restart) then
reconnect the device and allow Windows Update to load the newest
driver.

If Windows Update fails to find/load a driver, your device is not
using genuine Prolific hardware.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-08-05 5:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
> HI
>
> I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT.
> I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'
>
>
> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
> e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
> Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/
>
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From dpk at randomnotes.org  Wed Aug  5 18:41:19 2015
From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 15:41:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] S-Meter Calibration
Message-ID: <CAGPaoUtU4U0-B1KG7X0frsMvavA_zsfyStiiBdznRpwHefr-Sw@mail.gmail.com>

I have access to signal generator similar to this (
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/sdg830.html), but its minimum output is
4mv.  The calibration calls for 50uV of signal.
It looks like I could set the output to 40mv (I don't like working at the
bottom of the range), and then attenuate the output with 3 20db
attenudators (e.g.
http://www.fairviewmicrowave.com/20db-fixed-attenuator-bnc-male-bnc-female-0.5-watts-sa01b-20-p.aspx)
in series which would reduce the voltage by a factor of 1000.  Does this
sound like a viable plan?

-Doug-, KD7DK

From k3 at hollywoodtitle.com  Wed Aug  5 18:42:35 2015
From: k3 at hollywoodtitle.com (Elecraft K3)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 15:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
In-Reply-To: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ACC2CAB3-50A2-4DBD-986C-AC156FD21F4F@hollywoodtitle.com>

I never could get it work.  I finally gave up and got a new cable that uses an existing driver in Windows 10.

73 de Eric, KG6MZS

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> HI
> 
> I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT. I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'


From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Wed Aug  5 19:18:46 2015
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:18:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
In-Reply-To: <1183209064.23145695.1438811186003.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1183209064.23145695.1438811186003.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002301d0cfd5$14983f10$3dc8bd30$@verizon.net>

Want to see tin whiskers grow quickly? Put the part in space. Conformal coatings reduce tin whiskers to some degree. But the military and space folks want (demand) lead when they can get it whether we are talking the USA or off shore countries.
Can't see tin whispers being a major issue for our standard type products down here on the ground with being ROHS compliant.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n9tf at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?

Hi Jer, 
  
Solder spidering, or "Tin whiskers" has always been an issue, even when 60/40 SnPb solder was the "standard". In the past decade, the switch to non lead, or RoHS compliant solders has, mandated the removal of Pb in solder. With the absence of Pb and a much higher content of Sn, typically 96.5% of the solder formulation, tin whiskering has become more of a taking point and in some cases, problems in micro and especially nano circuits. 
The typical formulation for solder paste (for reflow) and solder pots is 96.5%Sn, 3%Ag, and .5%Cu. It's the brighteners in the Sn that are crucial to midagate the tin whisker growth. 
Although I did not see anything on the Elecraft web site that stated RoHS compliant, I would bet that their PCBs are being soldered with this type of RoHS compliant material, as Elecraft is selling into the EU marketplace, where these restrictions are enforced. 
  
As far as tin whiskering issues for the type of PCB's that are designed into these products, I do not think one should fear and "shorting" issues due to tin growth, as the pad spacing and line spacing is not at a critical spacing. Tin whisker growth is a very slow process, and we humans will probably be gone before anything like that would present a problem, especially in the "normal" conditions we operate the gear. 
  
I would be more concerned about cold solder connections as the newer RoHS solders require higher temps to reflow. That too has pretty much been handled over time with pretty precise solder reflow apparatus, and tweaks over the years on the paste and solder formulations. 
  
73 Gene, N9TF  

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 11:33:53 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type? 

Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know? 

I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their units J 

  

Jer 

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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Wed Aug  5 19:45:39 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:45:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
In-Reply-To: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net>
References: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55C2A023.3090204@arrl.net>

I have heard from Elecraft and List Members that this is how the radio 
works.
It first switches to the mode last used on the band, and then the 
control software sets your requested mode.
It's a two step process.  A little annoying, but I'm certain I'll adjust.

72, Byron

On 08/05/2015 09:18 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>
> Byron,
>
> I never noticed the behavior you described until you pointed it out, 
> but I see now that my K3 works the same way.  I have been using the 
> file "Elecraft K3 X5" with DX4WIN to drive my K3 for several years. I 
> suspect the radio is doing exactly what DX4WIN is requesting.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill - NA5DX
>
>
> [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
>
> Byron Peebles NZ3O at arrl.net
> Tue Aug 4 21:42:32 EDT 2015
>
> I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.
>
> When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first
> to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
> The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am
> using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I
> am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".
>
> TIA, 72, Byron
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug  5 20:16:03 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 20:16:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] S-Meter Calibration
In-Reply-To: <CAGPaoUtU4U0-B1KG7X0frsMvavA_zsfyStiiBdznRpwHefr-Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPaoUtU4U0-B1KG7X0frsMvavA_zsfyStiiBdznRpwHefr-Sw@mail.gmail.com>
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Doug,

That may work as long as the signal generator and the attenuators are 
very well shielded.
If the brand name were Agilent (used to be HP), I would say that it 
would be well shielded, but I don't know about a product from the "Siglent".

You may do better to invest in the Elecraft XG3.  The calibration can be 
automatic and painless when controlled by K3 Utility.

73
Don W3FPR

On 8/5/2015 6:41 PM, Doug Kingston wrote:
> I have access to signal generator similar to this (
> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/sdg830.html), but its minimum output is
> 4mv.  The calibration calls for 50uV of signal.
> It looks like I could set the output to 40mv (I don't like working at the
> bottom of the range), and then attenuate the output with 3 20db
> attenudators (e.g.
> http://www.fairviewmicrowave.com/20db-fixed-attenuator-bnc-male-bnc-female-0.5-watts-sa01b-20-p.aspx)
> in series which would reduce the voltage by a factor of 1000.  Does this
> sound like a viable plan?
>
> -Doug-, KD7DK
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug  5 20:38:09 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 20:38:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
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Ok, so I guess running DX from the International space station is off... darn.. LOL..
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: N2TK, Tony [mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 7:19 PM
To: 'Jerry Moore'
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?

Want to see tin whiskers grow quickly? Put the part in space. Conformal coatings reduce tin whiskers to some degree. But the military and space folks want (demand) lead when they can get it whether we are talking the USA or off shore countries.
Can't see tin whispers being a major issue for our standard type products down here on the ground with being ROHS compliant.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n9tf at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?

Hi Jer, 
  
Solder spidering, or "Tin whiskers" has always been an issue, even when 60/40 SnPb solder was the "standard". In the past decade, the switch to non lead, or RoHS compliant solders has, mandated the removal of Pb in solder. With the absence of Pb and a much higher content of Sn, typically 96.5% of the solder formulation, tin whiskering has become more of a taking point and in some cases, problems in micro and especially nano circuits. 
The typical formulation for solder paste (for reflow) and solder pots is 96.5%Sn, 3%Ag, and .5%Cu. It's the brighteners in the Sn that are crucial to midagate the tin whisker growth. 
Although I did not see anything on the Elecraft web site that stated RoHS compliant, I would bet that their PCBs are being soldered with this type of RoHS compliant material, as Elecraft is selling into the EU marketplace, where these restrictions are enforced. 
  
As far as tin whiskering issues for the type of PCB's that are designed into these products, I do not think one should fear and "shorting" issues due to tin growth, as the pad spacing and line spacing is not at a critical spacing. Tin whisker growth is a very slow process, and we humans will probably be gone before anything like that would present a problem, especially in the "normal" conditions we operate the gear. 
  
I would be more concerned about cold solder connections as the newer RoHS solders require higher temps to reflow. That too has pretty much been handled over time with pretty precise solder reflow apparatus, and tweaks over the years on the paste and solder formulations. 
  
73 Gene, N9TF  

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 11:33:53 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type? 

Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know? 

I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their units J 

  

Jer 

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug  5 20:43:59 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (edeveloper_1--- via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 00:43:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <1640413657.783347.1438821839952.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Alan,
Like you, I have an MFJ-998 auto tuner, but was never really satisfied with its integration with the Elecraft K3. I suggested to Martin that MFJ produce a cable to integrate with Elecraft radios, but that hasn't yet happened so far as I know.
Based on the superb tuning capability that the internal K3 tuner has, I decided to take the plunge on a KAT500. I can't be happier that I did. The integration with the K3 is seamless and pretty much flawless. The tuner follows my K3 wherever it goes, quickly and silently (silently because I've stored matches for all bands; on the initial tune there's of need a bit of clatter but nothing like the 998's) matching my two low wire dipoles on all bands including 6M, though 160M is a bit tough because of the 52-foot length of the wires. I don't get the "surprise!" tune-ups that I got with the 998. I get many more matches on 160M and 80M than I got with the 998. All I have to do is switch my amp when I change bands now. At some point I know I'll end up with a KPA500 and that switching function will become a thing of the past too. I recently added a third antenna (coil-loaded sloper) for 160M/80M and the KAT500 loads it up beautifully. It's sweet that that particular antenna remains always selected for those two bands.
I suspect that at least in part, the MFJ-998 is designed to evaluate situations where it must expect the user will throw a full 1.5KW at it into a really poor match, and it then must say "My components really aren't designed for that particular extreme, and I can't give you a <2:1 match."There's no way for me to tell it "Hey, I'm never sending you more than 800, I promise!"
One thing I did like about the 998 is I had two sets of tuning settings - one for dry weather, and one for rainy/snowy weather. It was easy to switch between the two on each antenna.
Of course that is possible to do with the KAT500 as well. You can save a "dry weather" configuration file and a "wet weather" file and read the appropriate one into the tuner as needed. I've not yet gotten 'round to creating the wet weather file.
I keep the 998 around thinking one day MFJ will produce a cable for Elecraft radios, and I may decide to go through the hassle of getting a building permit to install 240v to the shack, and go fully QRO. Until then, it's not connected to anything now and the KAT500 is my do-it-all tuner for all occasions.
I went the kit route with the KAT500 and like all the Elecraft kits, it was a barrel of fun to assemble.
I can't speak to how the KAT500 will integrate with your Icom, but as for its integration with the K3, it's the bees knees.
73, Tyler, KC2LST
------------------------------
Message: 15Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 02:47:10 +0100From: "G4GNX" <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk>To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tunerMessage-ID: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475 at Paramount>Content-Type: text/plain; ? ?charset="Windows-1252"
Hi all.
I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.
I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a sensible assumption?
If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune? button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)??
73,
Alan. G4GNX

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Aug  5 20:47:49 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:47:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net>

Bob makes a good point.   Not knowing the specific facts surrounding the 
Orion II repair required, I believe it improper to comment or draw any 
conclusion on the topic from any perspective.

Although as an owner and user of an Orion II, Omni VII, Eagle and 
Argonaut VI and one that has repaired lots of Tentec, ICOM, Kenwood and 
Yaesu products in years past, I seriously doubt that the repair, to any 
notable extent, of an Elecraft product today would be much if any 
different in terms of expense.    Some years back I assembled a K3/10 
and a K3/100 for others.  I do have a clue as to what's inside the box.  
The parts and boards aren't inexpensive and the labor is increasing in 
costs all the time.  We have a saying locally which I view applies;   
"if one can't run and keep up with the big dogs, then they best stay 
under the porch".    Just like buying a boat, if one has to inquire as 
to how much fuel it consumes, it is then reasonably clear they don't 
have adequate funds to make the purchase.

I now have an Elecraft K3S on order and waiting and looking forward to 
its arrival.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/5/2015 4:04 PM, Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote:
> "Last week, a ham posted an invoice for repair by the new owners of Ten
> Tec for his Orion II. It was just short of $1K"
> Unless we know what work was required, it is impossible to tell if the $1k bill is outrageous, extremely fair, or something in between.
> I would be be careful not to read too much into this.  Plus, what can we make based on a sample of "one".
> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own.
> 73,
> Bob/AA6VB



From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 21:00:57 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Audio
In-Reply-To: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>
References: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>
Message-ID: <55C2B1C9.6070303@gmail.com>

Be sure the 3.5mm LINE IN jack has nothing plugged in.  if a cable is 
plugged into this jack, the KIO3B will only accept LINE audio from the 
jack, not from the USB.

LINE OUT will always be active on both the analog 3.5mm jack as well as USB.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 8/5/15 2:21 PM, Keith Robinson wrote:
> To all the new K3S owners,
> I need a little help with an issue I am having with my K3S so I thought
> I would ask for some input.
> The issue is with audio being sent from the PC to radio thru the USB cable.


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Aug  5 21:03:56 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 20:03:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] S-Meter Calibration
In-Reply-To: <55C2A743.2060306@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGPaoUtU4U0-B1KG7X0frsMvavA_zsfyStiiBdznRpwHefr-Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C2A743.2060306@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C2B27C.30203@blomand.net>

 From my "chart on the wall", at 50 ohms,   4 mV is about -34.8 dBm and 
50 uV is -73 dBm.  Thus you will need an attenuator supplying some ~35 
dB of loss.

 From your numbers and starting at 40 mv  {-14.8 dBm}, using 3 
attenuators of 20 dB each will get "close".    As someone else suggested 
the XG3 would likely be a better choice.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/5/2015 7:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Doug,
>
> That may work as long as the signal generator and the attenuators are 
> very well shielded.
> If the brand name were Agilent (used to be HP), I would say that it 
> would be well shielded, but I don't know about a product from the 
> "Siglent".
>
> You may do better to invest in the Elecraft XG3.  The calibration can 
> be automatic and painless when controlled by K3 Utility.
>
> 73
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/5/2015 6:41 PM, Doug Kingston wrote:
>> I have access to signal generator similar to this (
>> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/sdg830.html), but its minimum 
>> output is
>> 4mv.  The calibration calls for 50uV of signal.
>> It looks like I could set the output to 40mv (I don't like working at 
>> the
>> bottom of the range), and then attenuate the output with 3 20db
>> attenudators (e.g.
>> http://www.fairviewmicrowave.com/20db-fixed-attenuator-bnc-male-bnc-female-0.5-watts-sa01b-20-p.aspx) 
>>
>> in series which would reduce the voltage by a factor of 1000. Does this
>> sound like a viable plan?
>>
>> -Doug-, KD7DK
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug  5 21:19:08 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:19:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at
	high speeds with K3/P3
Message-ID: <023801d0cfe5$e5d275e0$b17761a0$@carolinaheli.com>

RE: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with
K3/P3
I've been corresponding with Marc on this and we've made an interesting
discovery. We lowered the port speed and could not duplicate the dropped
characters, although he did experience the delay. I've included his email
response in this post. 

*******************
Wow, Jer, you may have discovered something important.

I just did a non-exhaustive test of the keyboard with SVGA where the P3 and
K3 are set to 4800 baud.

Not one single dropped character!  This is a first in my experience.

The 4 second (approx.) delay still occurs every 132 (approx.) characters but
that always seemed an unrelated problem.

I'm including Paul Saffren at Elecraft in this e-mail since he has strong
interest in this problem.

The keyboard I used for the test is an Anker wireless.  Now I'll try a Geyes
wireless which Elecraft suspect of being incompatible with the USB library
currently used in the SVGA card.
- 
Marc   W8SDG


On Aug 5, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

Yes, RS232, can you check and lower the port speed to see if it resolves the
cw issue?


********************




From dledoux at camtel.net  Wed Aug  5 22:19:42 2015
From: dledoux at camtel.net (Dale LeDoux)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:19:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
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Tin whiskers are not just a space phenomenon.

I lost a variable frequency drive for a 7,000 horsepower motor due to an arcing fault that developed from tinned busbars carrying 2500 VDC.  the tinned cladding of the copper busbars developed whiskers that grew and provided high electric stress points to initiate the arc.

Due to that failure, Siemens has replaced all our tin-platted bus with nickel-plated. Nickel doesn?t grow whiskers.

Dale
W5OHM

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:38 PM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, so I guess running DX from the International space station is off... darn.. LOL..
> Jer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: N2TK, Tony [mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 7:19 PM
> To: 'Jerry Moore'
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
> 
> Want to see tin whiskers grow quickly? Put the part in space. Conformal coatings reduce tin whiskers to some degree. But the military and space folks want (demand) lead when they can get it whether we are talking the USA or off shore countries.
> Can't see tin whispers being a major issue for our standard type products down here on the ground with being ROHS compliant.
> 
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n9tf at comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 5:46 PM
> To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
> 
> Hi Jer, 
> 
> Solder spidering, or "Tin whiskers" has always been an issue, even when 60/40 SnPb solder was the "standard". In the past decade, the switch to non lead, or RoHS compliant solders has, mandated the removal of Pb in solder. With the absence of Pb and a much higher content of Sn, typically 96.5% of the solder formulation, tin whiskering has become more of a taking point and in some cases, problems in micro and especially nano circuits. 
> The typical formulation for solder paste (for reflow) and solder pots is 96.5%Sn, 3%Ag, and .5%Cu. It's the brighteners in the Sn that are crucial to midagate the tin whisker growth. 
> Although I did not see anything on the Elecraft web site that stated RoHS compliant, I would bet that their PCBs are being soldered with this type of RoHS compliant material, as Elecraft is selling into the EU marketplace, where these restrictions are enforced. 
> 
> As far as tin whiskering issues for the type of PCB's that are designed into these products, I do not think one should fear and "shorting" issues due to tin growth, as the pad spacing and line spacing is not at a critical spacing. Tin whisker growth is a very slow process, and we humans will probably be gone before anything like that would present a problem, especially in the "normal" conditions we operate the gear. 
> 
> I would be more concerned about cold solder connections as the newer RoHS solders require higher temps to reflow. That too has pretty much been handled over time with pretty precise solder reflow apparatus, and tweaks over the years on the paste and solder formulations. 
> 
> 73 Gene, N9TF  
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Jerry Moore" <jermo at carolinaheli.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 11:33:53 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type? 
> 
> Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know? 
> 
> I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their units J 
> 
> 
> 
> Jer 
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Aug  5 22:41:16 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 19:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise
	reduction ?
Message-ID: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>

What is LMS Noise Reduction? I retired when my brain became filled to capacity with acronyms. Any new ones just overflow to the drain. :-)

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

Lyle Johnson <kk7p4dsp at gmail.com> wrote:
>Yes, identical to the K3.
>
>73,
>
>Lyle KK7P
>
>> I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug  5 22:43:30 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 22:43:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S solder type?
In-Reply-To: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <00f701d0cf9c$850e2950$8f2a7bf0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C2C9D2.3050507@embarqmail.com>

Jer,

I don't know the solder type used in the K3S, but I can tell you that 
Elecraft went to ROHS compliant several years ago.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/5/2015 12:33 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> Anyone know the type of solder used in the K3S board manufacture? I've been
> reading up on environmentally safer solder and all of the reliability issues
> that result from the solder spidering over time. Anyone happen to know?
>
> I'm sure it's not an issue but it came to mind. I tried to call Elecraft to
> ask but they are busy helping customers who need actual help with their
> units J
>
>


From gregory.beat at comcast.net  Wed Aug  5 22:44:57 2015
From: gregory.beat at comcast.net (Gregory Beat)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver Windows 10
Message-ID: <68E96644-B1D5-4514-A1D8-B74D6FC08AFC@comcast.net>

Determine the Prolific Chipset that you have.

Prolific's Support Site (Taiwan)

http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41

Windows Driver Installer Setup Program 
(For PL2303 HXA, XA, HXD, EA, RA, SA, TA, TB versions)
Installer version & Build date: 1.11.0 (2015-06-17)


Windows XP (32 & 64-bit) WDM WHQL Driver: v2.1.51.238 (10/22/2013)

    - Windows XP Certified WHQL Driver  
    - Windows Certification Report
    - Compatible with Windows 2000SP4 & Server2003


Windows Vista/7/8/8.1/10 (32 & 64-bit) WDF WHQL Driver: v3.6.78.350 (06/05/2015) 
   - Windows 10  Certified WHQL Driver 
   - Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, Server 2008R2, Server 2012, Server 2012R2 Certified WHQL Driver 
    - Windows Certification Report
   - Compatible with Windows Server2008 
   - Driver can auto-download via Windows Update  (Windows 7/8/8.1/Server2008R2/2012/2012R2/10)

Installer Language Support: English (default), Chinese (Traditional and Simplified), Japanese
For Prolific USB VID_067B&PID_2303 and PID_2304 Only
Includes Certification Report, User Manual, Driver Release Notes & CheckChipVersion Tool
Installer supports silent install (add "/s" parameter when running program)

NOTE:

Windows 8/8.1/10 are NOT supported in PL-2303HXA and PL-2303X EOL chip versions.
Run PL2303 CheckChipVersion tool program in Windows XP/Vista/7 to check chip version.
Windows XP, 2000, 98 and Windows ME driver technical support is discontinued. 
Prolific recommends to use PL-2303HXD (HX Rev D) or PL2303TA chip.

Sent from iPad Air

From Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA  Wed Aug  5 22:59:18 2015
From: Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA (Ellam, Timothy St. J.)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 02:59:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale
Message-ID: <0B79FDE7-5C02-467C-8A4D-BC59AAFDD24F@MCCARTHY.CA>

s/n3334. Elecraft K3 with the following options:

KRX3 Sub receiver,

K3DVR Digital Voice Recorder,

KAT3 Antenna Tuner,

KXV3A,

MH2 Microphone.

KFL3A- 2.7 KHz filters in both the main and sub receiver,

KFL3A-1.8 KHz filter in the main receiver,

KFL3A- 500Khz filters in the main and sub receivers.

New aftermarket metal VFO knobs ( 73CNC-chrome insert) for VFO A and B ( not installed)

Updated by Elecraft in 12/12 for installation of the KRX3, KXV3A and KAT3 and LPA Heat sink, 8 volt regulator mod, KSYN3 DDS mod.


$3000 or $CDN equivalent plus shipping.

Tim VE6SH



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Aug  5 23:19:00 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 20:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own. 

I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the 
80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way 
that their service department is a profit center. I do not believe that 
to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board 
in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.

73, Jim K9YC

From vk2jng at icloud.com  Wed Aug  5 23:41:30 2015
From: vk2jng at icloud.com (Gerard Elijzen)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:41:30 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
Message-ID: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>




I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.

Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.

Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.

Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.

Gerard VK2JNG





Gerard
vk2jng at iCloud dot com




From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug  6 00:34:28 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <eso5sah7fei2sihdeo6rpi4s81ksu3clnu@4ax.com>

Spurs, maybe?  Meaning the TX station.  Or maybe he was sending MCW
with a lot of distortion.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 13:41:30 +1000, you wrote:

>
>
>
>I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
>
>Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
>Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>
>Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
>Gerard VK2JNG
>
>
>
>
>
>Gerard
>vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>
>
>
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From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Thu Aug  6 01:22:57 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 22:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net>
	<55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <001501d0d007$f4a755a0$ddf600e0$@net>

The Service Department is being supported by someone, those Tech's 
Don't work for free. 

Pay me here or pay me there,

TINSTAAFL

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own.

I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec replaced
an entire board and some individual components. I've had Elecraft
troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the 80s, I owned
and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way that their service
department is a profit center. I do not believe that to be true of Elecraft.
Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board in my KPA500 because they
deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.

73, Jim K9YC
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug  6 07:00:26 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Sfbonk via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <001501d0d007$f4a755a0$ddf600e0$@net>
Message-ID: <14f02ab533f-4875-427c7@webstg-m03.mail.aol.com>


 Had my first exposure with Elecraft service walking through a problem which led to a bad low power amp (LPA) output transistor along with repair & upgrade parts and prices. OUTSTANDING!

W3OU Steve

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz at earthlink.net>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2015 1:27 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S


The Service Department is being supported by someone, those Tech's 
Don't work
for free. 

Pay me here or pay me there,

TINSTAAFL

73, Dick,
W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent:
Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re:
[Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

On Wed,8/5/2015
5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> We really don't need to bash other
companies in an effort to make 
> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially
without knowing the 
> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft
stands on its own.

I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing"
anyone. TenTec replaced
an entire board and some individual components. I've
had Elecraft
troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the
80s, I owned
and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way that
their service
department is a profit center. I do not believe that to be true
of Elecraft.
Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board in my KPA500
because they
deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.

73, Jim
K9YC
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug  6 07:38:35 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55C3473B.8050107@embarqmail.com>

Gerald,

If you only saw it on one CW signal, I would suggest there is something 
wrong with his transmission.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
>
>
> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
>
> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>
> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>


From k4ya at live.com  Thu Aug  6 07:47:35 2015
From: k4ya at live.com (Myron Cherry)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <55C3473B.8050107@embarqmail.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>,
	<55C3473B.8050107@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL129-W95FE96C8060AB01AF22AF3E4740@phx.gbl>

My P3 does that when the NB is on and the level is too high.
 
Myron

 

> 
> On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
> >
> > Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
> >
> > Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
> >
> > Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
> >
> 
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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 08:12:05 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 12:12:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <COL129-W95FE96C8060AB01AF22AF3E4740@phx.gbl>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>,
	<55C3473B.8050107@embarqmail.com>
	<COL129-W95FE96C8060AB01AF22AF3E4740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55C34F15.8030500@nc.rr.com>

I've heard some South American stations using modulated CW (tone 
modulated USB).    This invariably produces sidebands.

If other signals don't show it, then it is possible you caught one of 
those guys.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 8/6/2015 11:47 AM, Myron Cherry wrote:
> My P3 does that when the NB is on and the level is too high.
>   
> Myron
>
>   
>
>> On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
>>>
>>> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>>>
>>> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>>>
>>> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>>>
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From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Thu Aug  6 08:23:14 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:23:14 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Audio
In-Reply-To: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>
References: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>
Message-ID: <001b01d0d042$aaec5ba0$00c512e0$@thezollingers.org>

Keith,

May be obvious, but make sure MENU::MIC SEL is set To Line In, and as Lyle is saying nothing shall be plugged into the rear Line In port.
On the PC, select "Speakers (USB Audio Codec)"

73
Marco HB9CAT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Keith Robinson
Sent: mercoled?, 5. agosto 2015 23:21
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Audio

To all the new K3S owners,
I need a little help with an issue I am having with my K3S so I thought I would ask for some input. 
The issue is with audio being sent from the PC to radio thru the USB cable. Simply put, I have non. Receive audio going back to the PC from the radio is fine. The S meter on HRD sees signals just fine. I can decode CW , PSK , and RTTY fine also.
I just can?t transmit any audio. By the way CW sends great, no problem with that.
Doesn?t matter what the source is. Could be a digital program or a logging program or a contesting program.
I tried DVK files (wav.files) even  recorded music but nothing.

It appears that Windows is doing it?s job here. You can see the audio being played on the little meters in the playback devices window.
But nothing at the radio.
I have tried this on 3 different computers with the same results. With different OS. Win.7, Win.8.1.
USB drivers seem to load fine when I connect the radio.
I checked all the menu settings.

Just don?t know where to go from here.
Am I missing something? 

Any suggestions would be appreciated 

Keith Robinson
W4KTR

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From bob at hogbytes.com  Thu Aug  6 08:41:38 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 05:41:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <55C34F15.8030500@nc.rr.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
	<55C3473B.8050107@embarqmail.com>
	<COL129-W95FE96C8060AB01AF22AF3E4740@phx.gbl>
	<55C34F15.8030500@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1438864898553-7605966.post@n2.nabble.com>

Check both  I/Q plugs to insure they are all the way in.  I have seen this
when the plugs are not completely plugged in.  Push and rotate each plug for
a good connection..



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From bob at hogbytes.com  Thu Aug  6 08:43:48 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 05:43:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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The compelling "got-to-have" picture on the home page.  



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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 08:57:57 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:57:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 for sale
Message-ID: <D1C64E89-D368-4C4F-972B-4A2AEB743F20@gmail.com>

Folks, I finally have the combination on a K2 that I want to keep and I will be selling my K2/100/SSB/NB/160 meter set-up.
Recently tuned up.

Paperwork included.
Contact me off list Frank KG9H


From challinan at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 09:00:42 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:00:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise
	reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>
References: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAME0jBT1eQObZEe7T-V4h6iX1b15ooVbeZkHmxD46TWn2eNadQ@mail.gmail.com>

The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least Mean Square".  It's a
mathematical algorithm used in digital signal processing to implement a
specific type of filter.  If you really want the gory details, see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter

Of course, this doesn't explain how one would select that algorithm within
the K3, as I found no such indication in either the DSP or IF noise blanker
selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.

-Chris

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Fred C. Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> What is LMS Noise Reduction? I retired when my brain became filled to
> capacity with acronyms. Any new ones just overflow to the drain. :-)
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV
>
> Lyle Johnson <kk7p4dsp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >Yes, identical to the K3.
> >
> >73,
> >
> >Lyle KK7P
> >
> >> I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?
> >
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Thu Aug  6 09:57:12 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:57:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net> <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP59B37164963DB6D0CF4FF1BF740@phx.gbl>

On 8/5/2015 10:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
>> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
>> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own. 
>
> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
> replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
> Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
> the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
> way that their service department is a profit center. I do not believe 
> that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace a major 
> board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The bill was 
> under $400.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


I have had several Ten Tec transceivers and liked them for their full 
break-in. They were the first solid state radios that I remember.
I was content using my Omni, but I wanted a new radio for my last sun 
cycle.

I had trouble deciding between another Ten Tec, or Elecraft.  So, I made 
a phone call to both customer service departments and asked some questions.
It was because of those phone calls that I bought a K3.

Dick, n0ce


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug  6 10:03:32 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise
 reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBT1eQObZEe7T-V4h6iX1b15ooVbeZkHmxD46TWn2eNadQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>
	<CAME0jBT1eQObZEe7T-V4h6iX1b15ooVbeZkHmxD46TWn2eNadQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C36934.5040005@blomand.net>

For those that choose to use acronyms in their writing or communication, 
it is usually deemed proper to identify the details or translation at 
the first use of the acronym in any piece.  The acronym will then be 
most likely understood during the reading of the remainder of the piece.

After all........we are supposed to be "communicators" aren't we? Just 
sayin'.


73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/6/2015 8:00 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
> The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least Mean Square".  It's a
> mathematical algorithm used in digital signal processing to implement a
> specific type of filter.  If you really want the gory details, see here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter
>
> Of course, this doesn't explain how one would select that algorithm within
> the K3, as I found no such indication in either the DSP or IF noise blanker
> selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.
>
> -Chris
>



From dick at dkHanson.com  Thu Aug  6 10:20:12 2015
From: dick at dkHanson.com (Dick Hanson)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:20:12 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] pr6s for sale
Message-ID: <000a01d0d053$01f4fc80$05def580$@dkHanson.com>

That was $70 each.

Sorry for miscue.

 

Dick

 

 



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From dick at dkHanson.com  Thu Aug  6 10:15:58 2015
From: dick at dkHanson.com (Dick Hanson)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:15:58 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Two PR6 for sale
Message-ID: <000001d0d052$6a8633a0$3f929ae0$@dkHanson.com>

Hello.

 

I have two of the above, with power cables, dual BNC connectors and manuals
no longer needed due to new board(s) in K3.

$70 via USPS CONUS.

 

Thanks,

73

 

Dick, K5AND

Austin, TX

 

 



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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Thu Aug  6 10:56:20 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
In-Reply-To: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55C37594.40901@sunflower.com>

Hi Paul,

When I do that I'm using a Dell keyboard (KB212-B) that came with a 
desktop. Most Dell keyboards look the same with a USB cable.

Good luck and 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS

PS: Love my K3 with SUB x running diversity with vertical and beverage 
on 20 meters. Even running some TX on the beverage! (40% of the energy 
is lost in the 450 ohm beverage terminator at the far end so terminated 
that with 16, 6.7K 2-watt resistors in parallel. Making several DX 
contacts TX on the beverage too. Weird but fun.

> Paul Saffren N6HZ <mailto:pauls at elecraft.com>
> Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:48 AM
> I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA 
> order page
> to help future customers select a suitable keyboard. If you're using a
> keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
> number it is, price you paid, etc.
>
>
> Thanks and kind regards,
>
> Paul n6hz
>
>
>
>
> --
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Thu Aug  6 11:34:36 2015
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
In-Reply-To: <55C37594.40901@sunflower.com>
References: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55C37594.40901@sunflower.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.11.1508060833160.2567@chris.i8u.org>

My CM Storm QuickFire Rapid did NOT work.

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Phil Anderson wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> When I do that I'm using a Dell keyboard (KB212-B) that came with a desktop. 
> Most Dell keyboards look the same with a USB cable.
>
> Good luck and 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS
>
> PS: Love my K3 with SUB x running diversity with vertical and beverage on 20 
> meters. Even running some TX on the beverage! (40% of the energy is lost in 
> the 450 ohm beverage terminator at the far end so terminated that with 16, 
> 6.7K 2-watt resistors in parallel. Making several DX contacts TX on the 
> beverage too. Weird but fun.
>
>> Paul Saffren N6HZ <mailto:pauls at elecraft.com>
>> Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:48 AM
>> I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order 
>> page
>> to help future customers select a suitable keyboard. If you're using a
>> keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
>> number it is, price you paid, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and kind regards,
>> 
>> Paul n6hz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-keyboard-for-P3-SVGA-tp7605930.html
>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug  6 11:44:41 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Availability
Message-ID: <55C380E9.3070604@blomand.net>

Several have inquired of me by e-mail and other means asking; "when do 
you expect your new radio?".

In speaking with Elecraft this morning, the order was placed on July 2 
for a K3S-F and accessories, they indicate the radio is in assembly and 
should ship in the next 2 to 3 days, 5 days at the latest.   I figure 
that's about 6 weeks from time of order.

So now you know.
-- 
73 Bob, K4TAX


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 12:00:06 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise
 reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <55C36934.5040005@blomand.net>
References: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>
	<CAME0jBT1eQObZEe7T-V4h6iX1b15ooVbeZkHmxD46TWn2eNadQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C36934.5040005@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C38486.4060508@socal.rr.com>

Bob,

You must not listen to 20 SSB much if you consider 
hams to be fine communicators :-)

As for LMS, a local suggested Limited Mental 
Stability, but I think that has to be op-provided, 
not by any rig!

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/6/15 7:03 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> For those that choose to use acronyms in their 
> writing or communication, it is usually deemed 
> proper to identify the details or translation at 
> the first use of the acronym in any piece.  The 
> acronym will then be most likely understood 
> during the reading of the remainder of the piece.
>
> After all........we are supposed to be 
> "communicators" aren't we? Just sayin'.
>
>
> 73 Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 8:00 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>> The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least 
>> Mean Square".  It's a
>> mathematical algorithm used in digital signal 
>> processing to implement a
>> specific type of filter.  If you really want 
>> the gory details, see here:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter 
>>
>>
>> Of course, this doesn't explain how one would 
>> select that algorithm within
>> the K3, as I found no such indication in either 
>> the DSP or IF noise blanker
>> selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.
>>
>> -Chris


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Aug  6 12:20:24 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:20:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
Message-ID: <07md4pejctux99gm2cn0iymd.1438878024457@email.android.com>

Probably sidebands from stray modulation. Distance from "carrier" to one is the freq of the modulating signal. I've very occasionally heard what sounds like intentional MCW, you have to widen your filters to hear it but you can see it on a P(X)3.

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

Gerard Elijzen <vk2jng at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
>
>Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
>Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>
>Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
>Gerard VK2JNG
>
>
>
>
>
>Gerard
>vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>
>
>
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:28:12 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:28:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMGCuneXivyvTxB96+KExurzY+H9LVT8Y5J=_pnndEduw@mail.gmail.com>

Mis-adjusted carrier null?  PS hum?

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 5, 2015 9:42 PM, "Gerard Elijzen" <vk2jng at icloud.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on
> my PX3.
>
> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for
> that.
>
> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never
> seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
> Gerard VK2JNG
>
>
>
>
>
> Gerard
> vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>
>
>
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From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:40:57 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: P3SVGA
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=sm4K8FWyw5GJYh8mf5=ZgtbPv0Pi6+LRvqHhHrM2gTMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to purchase a Elecraft P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter. Please state condition
and priced shipped to Indiana. Respond to:
n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks,

Joe  N9VX

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Aug  6 12:40:53 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
Message-ID: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>

I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me nervous. 

I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to worry about this?


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


From k9osccw at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:52:53 2015
From: k9osccw at gmail.com (Bob Brock)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:52:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at
	high speeds with K3/p3
Message-ID: <B7A79BCE-4BDC-4BE9-A027-6AC179736CE2@gmail.com>



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From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Aug  6 13:08:15 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:08:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CD184FFD-2B8A-4CFD-983B-C5DF6730A371@me.com>

Bill,

I use that AS-RXFEP device and am 100% satisfied with it. I have run 550 watts from my K-line system, through 110 feet of 600-ohm ladder line feeder to an 88 foot long doublet at 45 feet. My diversity receive antenna is a ground mounted Hustler 5BTV (with radials) that is only 25 feet from the doublet. The COR clicking is a thing of the past for me. I also installed an MFJ dual-position coax switch in that line so that I could transmit (bare foot) into the Hustler, if so desired. The switch allows me to bypass the RXFEP when I transmit into the vertical. Anyway, I think you'll be quite satisfied with that Array Solutions device.

73, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me nervous. 
> 
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to worry about this?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:11:15 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 11:11:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTP=BCoZDWRFYaQt0u+iua7HhEjCfWbbb=zoMOLdO39Hng@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

DX Engineering and Array Solutions both have protection devicees.

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 6, 2015 10:43 AM, "Nr4c" <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
> worry about this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
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From challinan at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:27:56 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CAME0jBQfxetLAu=mJW_KmYLwmR-0LJL3=TG_PjmpJKSThkpWcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I''ve been somewhat frustrated with the same issue.  I purchased the Array
Solutions (AS)  Front End Protector, as you mention.  When I first
connected it, I was treated with terrible noise and images all over the 20
meter and 40 meter bands.  I returned the unit to AS, and they tested it
and found no problems.  After further investigation, I discovered that the
RXFEP was being overloaded by broadcast signals, both from the US
Commercial AM broadcast band (550 to 1600KHz) as well as very strong
signals from some short wave broadcasters. These short wave stations are on
5 MHz and believe it or not, even one station in Alabama transmitting on
13.830, which pegs my K3's S-meter at +60dB over S9 at certain times of the
day depending on conditions and the orientation of my RX loop.  All of
these together overload the RXFEP.  Putting my antenna into a scope input,
I can see more than 2 volts p-p during the day, and up to 5 volts p-p at
night!!!  If I did my calculations right, that's around +18 dBm!

So then I purchased the receive-only broadcast filter from AS, and that
improved my situation 95%.  Now I need to eliminate the energy from the
other 5, 12 and 13 MHz broadcasters.

Even with the RXFEP installed, I still have COR clicking on 40 meters,
likely due to the proximity of my Rx Loop to my 40-meter vertical.  I HATE
relay clicks, and LOVE the fact that the K3 is such a great CW rig with
silent TR switching.  But...the only solution so far I've found is to
connect the K3 key out jack to the power tap from my Inlogis Rx Loop.
Unfortunately, that is a relay, and gives me audible clicks when I send CW.

I am in the process of further investigation/testing, and I'm going to try
some bandbass filters to see if I can alleviate the overloading issue.  But
I might also be forced to relocate my loop or vertical to eliminate the
need to use a relay in the rx antenna circuit.

I would appreciate hearing about other's experiences.

73,

Chris
K1AY

disclaimer: I don't mean to bash Array Solutions.  I think the AS-RXFEP is
a great product, and AS has other great products.  Best money I ever spent
in amateur radio was my recent purchase of the AS AIM4300.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
> worry about this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:45:01 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:45:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Rec antenna protection
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCY9CNOQHxzjr08J0_5Z3DNkOvZtX8J7WF4gg-wqQwJWjg@mail.gmail.com>

 Chris

Back in "the olden days", a small SERIES TUNED
circuit across the receiver input tuned to your
5, 12 and 13 MHz problem stations was quite
effective. It presents a low impedance path to
ground for the unwanted signal.

Jim - W4RKS

From pfizenmayer at q.com  Thu Aug  6 13:47:49 2015
From: pfizenmayer at q.com (Hank P)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 10:47:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <CD184FFD-2B8A-4CFD-983B-C5DF6730A371@me.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
	<CD184FFD-2B8A-4CFD-983B-C5DF6730A371@me.com>
Message-ID: <89BF4A00BFB145CEAEFA06C9D25241D0@HANKPC>

The external reed relay /miniature relays are OK  IF they are keyed by the 
key line  AND the RF is delayed a few ms from key line down.(K3 does this) 
The diode limiter circuits like the AS and others like that don?t have this 
limitation.

BUT I would be interested in the OFFICIAL Elecraft position on their COR

What bothers me about it is that if the internal relay is clicking , it has 
to already have seen enough RF to be considered potentially damaging in 
order for the K3 to decide the relay needs  to be actuated . So the barn 
door is closed after the RF has been applied for an unknown  period but 
surely a couple milliseconds.

I am a belt and suspenders  type guy especially with expensive equipment - 
and my feeling is that the K3 COR is telling me to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT 
NOW. I would never continue to operate with it actuating. I treat it as a 
nice warning thing Mr. Elecraft has given me, not something to be used 
continuously.

I made my own RX ant protector with a  little DPDT miniature relay  that has 
gold plated contacts . It is wired so the rx ant line is opened and also the 
K3 rx input is shorted. One could argue which should come first I guess but 
I get over 100 dB isolation on 160 measured with VNA.

Hank K7HP

>
> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX 
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me 
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices 
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to 
> worry about this?
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug  6 13:58:07 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
	QRQ CW
Message-ID: <036701d0d071$740411d0$5c0c3570$@carolinaheli.com>

Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with
K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)

Some thoughts and conjecture:
Dropped Characters:
At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could possibly
result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error
handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections
in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped
characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be
caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial data
is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates. That's
why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some
applications.

Delay: 
My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for status
and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,
frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle
completes and goes back to sending.

Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little more
that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the
traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the
polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk
stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a
keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the
K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the
conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.

Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or a
shorter one.

Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.

Jer / AE4PB 



From droese at necg.de  Thu Aug  6 14:02:39 2015
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 20:02:39 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net> <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55C3A13F.9080309@necg.de>

Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no deal. :-(

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:
> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
>> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
>> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own. 
>
> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
> replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
> Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
> the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
> way that their service department is a profit center. I do not believe 
> that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace a major 
> board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The bill was 
> under $400.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 14:06:44 2015
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:06:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C3A13F.9080309@necg.de>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net> <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<55C3A13F.9080309@necg.de>
Message-ID: <55C3A234.4040109@gmail.com>

Who was going to charge you that, Oliver, Elecraft or one of the 
European service centers?

73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/6/15 2:02 PM, Oliver Dr?se wrote:
> Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
> KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
> cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
> KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no 
> deal. :-(
>
> 73, Olli
>
> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>
>
> Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:
>> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>>> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
>>> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
>>> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its 
>>> own. 
>>
>> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
>> replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
>> Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
>> the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
>> way that their service department is a profit center. I do not 
>> believe that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace 
>> a major board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The 
>> bill was under $400.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From droese at necg.de  Thu Aug  6 14:25:08 2015
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 20:25:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55C3A234.4040109@gmail.com>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net> <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<55C3A13F.9080309@necg.de> <55C3A234.4040109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C3A684.3080907@necg.de>

Italian service center after checking with Elecraft (as shipping from 
Europe to Elecraft and back would cost half as much as a whole new 
KAT500 this is no option either, even if the replacement costs would 
have been considerably lower ... and Elecraft asks European customers to 
use the European service providers ... perfectly okay). But no worries, 
injurance paid it for the guy so no big loss after all for him. Just 
wanted to show that it always depends on what is defective. If you have 
several different PCBs in equipment it is certainly easier to just 
exchange single PCBs which will be cheaper as in Jim's example (or the 
K3 as another one). But it's not always that easy (as in my example) and 
might well have been the case with that Ten-Tec, too. One just has to 
put it into perspecitve ...

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 06.08.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Scott Manthe:
> Who was going to charge you that, Oliver, Elecraft or one of the 
> European service centers?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 8/6/15 2:02 PM, Oliver Dr?se wrote:
>> Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
>> KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
>> cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
>> KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no 
>> deal. :-(
>>
>> 73, Olli
>>
>> Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de
>>
>>
>> Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:
>>> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>>>> We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
>>>> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
>>>> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its 
>>>> own. 
>>>
>>> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
>>> replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
>>> Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
>>> the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the 
>>> hard way that their service department is a profit center. I do not 
>>> believe that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did 
>>> replace a major board in my KPA500 because they deemed it 
>>> unrepairable. The bill was under $400.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 14:33:41 2015
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:33:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMON New Install
Message-ID: <55C3A885.90704@gmail.com>

I just installed the P3 TXMON and all seems well.  Aside from the "9" 
digit anomaly, I notice with ver. 1.50 beta that when either Mkr A or 
Mkr B is displayed, and the envelope monitor is enabled, the marker ID 
and frequency are superimposed over the transmit envelope display.  My 
preference, if possible, would be to suppress the marker displays on 
transmit when the envelope monitor is enabled.

Thanks very much to everyone at Elecraft for a very useful addition to 
the P3.

73, Steve W4FMD

From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Thu Aug  6 14:43:02 2015
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 19:43:02 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
In-Reply-To: <00a001d0cf92$67445250$35ccf6f0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <00a001d0cf92$67445250$35ccf6f0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C3AAB6.5030309@david-woolley.me.uk>

On 05/08/15 16:21, Jerry Moore wrote:
> My thoughts would be that all devices use the USB instead of RS232. By
> design the USB is a BUS rather than a point to point protocol as is RS232.

In spite of its name, USB is not a bus.  At the physical level, it is 
most definitely point to point, and, unlike RS232 cannot be abused into 
a bus configuration.

It does have a network layer, although I think that only supports 
unicast.  RS232 is only a physical layer specification, and not a 
complete one.  Anyone using the internet before ADSL almost certainly 
was using RS232 as the first hop to a global network.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123


From ldormiston at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 14:49:39 2015
From: ldormiston at gmail.com (Lee Ormiston)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:49:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
In-Reply-To: <001501d0d007$f4a755a0$ddf600e0$@net>
References: <005401d0cf7d$da2b5940$8e820bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C243DC.8060305@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<931537660.663788.1438808681809.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55C2AEB5.6060302@blomand.net> <55C2D224.1000006@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0d007$f4a755a0$ddf600e0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFuRoiERvdnMN7U2EXkzsZtj_E5q7NQFZt3UF++4oXmBXSxUDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ladies & Gentlemen, boys & girls;
As with everything else in life,
we can pay a premium price for premium quality oats,
we can pay a moderate price for medium quality oats, or
we can pay a lower price for second hand oats.

Personally, I am more interested in the rigs, accessories, other goodies,
and how to make all this work.

73 Lee N0RRL

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> The Service Department is being supported by someone, those Tech's
> Don't work for free.
>
> Pay me here or pay me there,
>
> TINSTAAFL
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:19 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
>
> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> > We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make
> > Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the
> > details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own.
>
> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec
> replaced
> an entire board and some individual components. I've had Elecraft
> troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the 80s, I owned
> and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way that their service
> department is a profit center. I do not believe that to be true of
> Elecraft.
> Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board in my KPA500 because they
> deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n4cc at windstream.net  Thu Aug  6 14:50:23 2015
From: n4cc at windstream.net (Greg)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:50:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
Message-ID: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>

In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
"finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
quality.  

I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.

Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
is too narrow.

I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
in the market.

Oh....one more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
Dayton some years ago...

73, Greg-N4CC

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:20:22 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:20:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOZfs51OeDZgr_0ZgqqZiq=ScQ1YU7EHuVNP8OK4NSNJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Greg ....

The market already seems to be saturated with radios that appear to meet
your wants.

I sold an FT-990, an FT-1000D, plus an IC'756ProII shortly after my K-line
purchase and I've never regretted it.  Both were fine radios, but certainly
not equal to my K3.

As someone recently posted ... chrome plate it ... it'll perform better.
;-)

73!

Ken - K0PP

From challinan at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:29:21 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 15:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <89BF4A00BFB145CEAEFA06C9D25241D0@HANKPC>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
	<CD184FFD-2B8A-4CFD-983B-C5DF6730A371@me.com>
	<89BF4A00BFB145CEAEFA06C9D25241D0@HANKPC>
Message-ID: <CAME0jBQhyM7EiVWf+uH+AFE6K1WxPrfe=Y4ng71_-cC55ZjC7g@mail.gmail.com>

I couldn't agree more, Hank.  That COR is a warning flag, and in my humble
opinion, not something I would consider for normal operation ;)

I'd also be interested in Elecraft's take on this.  At what level does it
kick in?  Also, what is the level of isolation between Aux RX In and the
main coax input/output?

-Chris

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Hank P <pfizenmayer at q.com> wrote:

> The external reed relay /miniature relays are OK  IF they are keyed by the
> key line  AND the RF is delayed a few ms from key line down.(K3 does this)
> The diode limiter circuits like the AS and others like that don?t have this
> limitation.
>
> BUT I would be interested in the OFFICIAL Elecraft position on their COR
>
> What bothers me about it is that if the internal relay is clicking , it
> has to already have seen enough RF to be considered potentially damaging in
> order for the K3 to decide the relay needs  to be actuated . So the barn
> door is closed after the RF has been applied for an unknown  period but
> surely a couple milliseconds.
>
> I am a belt and suspenders  type guy especially with expensive equipment -
> and my feeling is that the K3 COR is telling me to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
> NOW. I would never continue to operate with it actuating. I treat it as a
> nice warning thing Mr. Elecraft has given me, not something to be used
> continuously.
>
> I made my own RX ant protector with a  little DPDT miniature relay  that
> has gold plated contacts . It is wired so the rx ant line is opened and
> also the K3 rx input is shorted. One could argue which should come first I
> guess but I get over 100 dB isolation on 160 measured with VNA.
>
> Hank K7HP
>
>
>> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
>> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
>> nervous.
>>
>> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
>> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
>> worry about this?
>>
>>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:32:55 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:32:55 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
Message-ID: <55C3B667.7020509@gmail.com>

You can adjust the frequency of the APF peak with the SHIFT encoder. You 
can also tap the FINE button to get a slower tuning rate when you are 
using the APF. This makes it a bit easier.

In some conditions the APF makes the difference between being able to 
copy a station and not. Its usefulness depends on the nature of the 
background noise. Don't give up on it.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 6 Aug 2015 21:50, Greg wrote:
> Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
> be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
> Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
> is too narrow.
> 73, Greg-N4CC




From challinan at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:40:34 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 15:40:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
Message-ID: <CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> wrote:
<snip>

>

A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
> a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
> preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
> becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
> also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
> capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
> really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
> quality.
>

The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.  In my
previous Yaesu rig, each band button had two settings, push once for your
favorite CW settings and freq, and again for SSB.  I use HRD macros for
that now, but I really don't like to use the computer to push buttons on my
radio.  I could see a single additional button, a toggle function, which
changed the personality of the keypad to make them band buttons. Toggle
again, back to normal functionality for those buttons. Hey, and there's
room for that button right next to the CLR button.  Just saying... ;)

-Chris

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug  6 15:44:50 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Doug Person via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:44:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
Message-ID: <55C3B932.1000303@aol.com>

If you review past posts regarding this subject, you'll find that it has 
been discussed in great detail.  Just search on "K4".  Many of us would 
like to see a full-size, no-holds-bared Elecraft radio with the function 
of the P3 built-in much like the Icom radios and the new Kenwood 
TS-990.  When and if that will ever happen remains a topic of pure 
speculation.  Hint: don't hold your breath.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 8/6/2015 12:50 PM, Greg wrote:
> In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
> reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
> don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
> would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
> in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
> be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
> version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
> "finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
> Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
> criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
> Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
> wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
> have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
> sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
> coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
> better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
> a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
> preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
> becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
> also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
> capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
> really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
> quality.
>
> I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
> just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
> the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
> with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
> heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
> fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
> price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
> secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
> probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
> opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.
>
> Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
> be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
> Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
> is too narrow.
>
> I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
> or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
> hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
> would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
> new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
> in the market.
>
> Oh....one more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
> look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
> Dayton some years ago...
>
> 73, Greg-N4CC
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Aug  6 16:20:00 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:20:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C3C170.3090301@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,8/6/2015 12:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
> The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.

Study the parts of the manual that talk about memories. A lot of what 
you want can be achieved by programming memories.

73, Jim K9YC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug  6 16:23:38 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:23:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com>

Chris,

My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).

Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) Which 
use the first 10 memory slots.
I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last 
used frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.
You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so desire.

In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my favorite 
spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for data modes.
I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, 
mode, etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after 
tuning away.

For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally 
when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and 
tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so I 
can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See Channel 
Hopping in the manual.

So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND up/dn 
buttons.

On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and


From challinan at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 16:58:28 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:58:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAME0jBQe54u9UEYzcUOgRyQ-qa+5gCuUR5YJa_shPs__0nb-HA@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, thanks Jim and Don.  While I have made some use of memories, I have not
done anything with M1 through M4, and I didn't realize the first 10 are
"special".  That's why I hang around this list, to learn more about this
great rig!!!  Time for some manual reading and button playing tonight!

Thanks & 73,

Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).
>
> Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) Which
> use the first 10 memory slots.
> I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last used
> frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.
> You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so
> desire.
>
> In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my favorite
> spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for data modes.
> I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, mode,
> etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after tuning
> away.
>
> For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally
> when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and
> tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so I
> can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See Channel
> Hopping in the manual.
>
> So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND up/dn
> buttons.
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
>>
>
>


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From hans.elfelt at me.com  Thu Aug  6 17:07:54 2015
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:07:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 100 temp rise
Message-ID: <406AEDBC-9BB1-4255-A387-EDECBBE1AFB7@me.com>

I do a bit of rag chewing on my K2 with my KAP100/KAT 100 in EC2 enclosure.
With only two participants rag chewing the grilles of the KPA100 on the top of the EC2 enclosure tend to get hot.
They are more than luke warm to the touch after half an hour of rag chewing running 100 watts.
Will I get a warning on the display,- and are there any way of controlling the built-in fan ? running or not running ? from the front panel of the K2
Any further precautions besides tightening up the screws of the PA transistors.?
OZ5RB, Hans

From hans.elfelt at me.com  Thu Aug  6 17:07:54 2015
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:07:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 100 temp rise
Message-ID: <288EE646-CCB4-4F0A-B3D2-BB1CA103C36E@me.com>

I do a bit of rag chewing on my K2 with my KAP100/KAT 100 in EC2 enclosure.
With only two participants rag chewing the grilles of the KPA100 on the top of the EC2 enclosure tend to get hot.
They are more than luke warm to the touch after half an hour of rag chewing running 100 watts.
Will I get a warning on the display,- and are there any way of controlling the built-in fan ? running or not running ? from the front panel of the K2
Any further precautions besides tightening up the screws of the PA transistors.?
OZ5RB, Hans

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug  6 17:31:49 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Harry Yingst via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 21:31:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419719673.421524.1438896709525.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


I have a Genovation Keypad that I can program up to do many functions.





      From: Chris Hallinan <challinan at gmail.com>
 To: Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> 
Cc: "<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted
   
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> wrote:
<snip>

>

A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
> a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.? (With the
> preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
> becomes a real kluge.)? A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
> also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
> capability.? The P3 could be built in as well.? The display on an IC7800 is
> really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
> quality.
>

The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.? In my
previous Yaesu rig, each band button had two settings, push once for your
favorite CW settings and freq, and again for SSB.? I use HRD macros for
that now, but I really don't like to use the computer to push buttons on my
radio.? I could see a single additional button, a toggle function, which
changed the personality of the keypad to make them band buttons. Toggle
again, back to normal functionality for those buttons. Hey, and there's
room for that button right next to the CLR button.? Just saying... ;)

-Chris
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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 17:33:27 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 21:33:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C3D2A7.20307@nc.rr.com>

Don,

Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.   It is two.

Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two functions.  
Tap too long and you don't get M>V.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 8/6/2015 20:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Chris,
>
> My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).
>
> Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) 
> Which use the first 10 memory slots.
> I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last 
> used frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.
> You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so 
> desire.
>
> In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my 
> favorite spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for 
> data modes.
> I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, 
> mode, etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after 
> tuning away.
>
> For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally 
> when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and 
> tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so 
> I can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See 
> Channel Hopping in the manual.
>
> So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND 
> up/dn buttons.
>
> On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg <n4cc at windstream.net> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Aug  6 17:38:33 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 14:38:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
 QRQ CW
In-Reply-To: <036701d0d071$740411d0$5c0c3570$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <036701d0d071$740411d0$5c0c3570$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C3D3D9.6000106@elecraft.com>

It turns out the delay in this case is due to the particular keyboard in use as 
it has a sleep mode and wakes up slowly.

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 8/6/2015 10:58 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with
> K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)
>
> Some thoughts and conjecture:
> Dropped Characters:
> At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could possibly
> result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error
> handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections
> in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped
> characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be
> caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial data
> is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates. That's
> why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some
> applications.
>
> Delay:
> My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for status
> and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,
> frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle
> completes and goes back to sending.
>
> Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little more
> that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the
> traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the
> polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk
> stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a
> keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the
> K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the
> conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.
>
> Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or a
> shorter one.
>
> Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.
>
> Jer / AE4PB
>
>
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From n5ge at n5ge.com  Thu Aug  6 17:40:53 2015
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 16:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
Message-ID: <a1j7sapi7dhfbc1arc252m9rdqqcuqujan@4ax.com>

I have a beautiful thirty inch wide Sonora 5 1920's eara tube batery
receiver model C-10642 in perfect cosmetic shape with three large
bakelite knobs, and two small bakelite knobs, but I can only look at
it.

I also have a brand new Yaesu FTdx1200 that is 14 inches wide and
can't hold a candle to my K3 SN 1025.  It's big and it's pretty, but
that's all it has that the K3 doesn't have.

I'd rather have a better ugly rig that has superior performance than a
a pretty one that doesn't.  I'll stick with the K3 I have, and the K3S
I have ordered.

That's just my opinion.  I could be wrong.

 

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:50:23 -0600, you wrote:

>In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
>reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
>don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
>would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
>in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
>be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
>version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
>"finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
>Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
>criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
>Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
>wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
>have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
>sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
>coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
>better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
>a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
>preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
>becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
>also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
>capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
>really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
>quality.  
>
>I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
>just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
>the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
>with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
>heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
>fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
>price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
>secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
>probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
>opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.
>
>Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
>be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
>Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
>is too narrow.
>
>I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
>or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
>hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
>would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
>new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
>in the market.
>
>Oh....one more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
>look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
>Dayton some years ago...
>
>73, Greg-N4CC
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug  6 18:04:52 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22921.1438896717.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.22921.1438896717.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <003b01d0d093$ec722d60$c5568820$@carolinaheli.com>

Sorry to disagree David, USB is a BUS. It's specifically designed to be able
to connect multiple devices to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB

Jerry Moore
Future Owner 


Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 19:43:02 +0100
From: David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
Message-ID: <55C3AAB6.5030309 at david-woolley.me.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 05/08/15 16:21, Jerry Moore wrote:
> My thoughts would be that all devices use the USB instead of RS232. By
> design the USB is a BUS rather than a point to point protocol as is RS232.

In spite of its name, USB is not a bus.  At the physical level, it is 
most definitely point to point, and, unlike RS232 cannot be abused into 
a bus configuration.

It does have a network layer, although I think that only supports 
unicast.  RS232 is only a physical layer specification, and not a 
complete one.  Anyone using the internet before ADSL almost certainly 
was using RS232 as the first hop to a global network.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug  6 18:07:08 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:07:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <55C3D2A7.20307@nc.rr.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com> <55C3D2A7.20307@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55C3DA8C.8040106@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

You are correct, it is a 2 button sequence, but I did not present it as 
a single button operation.

If you hold the M>V button instead of tapping it, you get AF Play - 
which is no problem if you do not have the DVR3 installed.
Guest operators using my K3 at Field Day have had no problem with it 
even though they have had little experience with the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/6/2015 5:33 PM, brian wrote:
> Don,
>
> Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.   It is two.
>
> Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two 
> functions.  Tap too long and you don't get M>V.
>


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 18:17:12 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:17:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <55C3B932.1000303@aol.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net> <55C3B932.1000303@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C5BDDFBC2FEF41858AA0766BE402467C@Paramount>

I would be happy to own an Elecraft rig that had those extra features, but I 
generally find that the buttons are large enough for my fat fingers and 
they're spaced far enough apart for me not to make mistakes.

The only time I've been dissatisfied with the cabinet size is when someone 
else (who usually doesn't own a K3) complains that it doesn't look like a 
'real' radio. Do I care? Do I ****. :-)

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Doug Person via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

If you review past posts regarding this subject, you'll find that it has
been discussed in great detail.  Just search on "K4".  Many of us would
like to see a full-size, no-holds-barred Elecraft radio with the function
of the P3 built-in much like the Icom radios and the new Kenwood
TS-990.  When and if that will ever happen remains a topic of pure
speculation.  Hint: don't hold your breath.

73, Doug -- K0DXV


From jm416 at optonline.net  Thu Aug  6 19:26:02 2015
From: jm416 at optonline.net (John W2XS)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:26:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Windows 10 and the KUSB
Message-ID: <1438903562151-7606013.post@n2.nabble.com>

I took the plunge and upgraded to Windows 10 on Monday. After the
installation was complete, I could no longer connect to my K3 with the N3FJP
logging program.  The response from Howard at Elecraft support to my email
was very fast. He suggested that my 2009-vintage silver KUSB cable would not
be supported by the new operating system and that they had switched chipsets
in 2010.  I downloaded what I thought was the latest driver from Prolific
but it still didn't work. So I ordered a new KUSB from Elecraft on Tuesday
and it arrived today (Thursday). It is black. I plugged the new cable in and
immediately my PC was connected to the K3 and all is well. So, a silver or
maybe gray KUSB may not work with Windows 10.

My K3 is S/N 919 and I have kept it up to date including the new synthesizer
boards. I ordered the KBPF3 upgrade with the new KUSB and may spring for the
KXV3B to replace my KXV3 and PR6-10 to free up some room behind the
transceiver.

If anyone is planning on staying with Windows 7 and wants an older KUSB, let
me know.

73,

John W2XS

K1 (S/N 2191) 4-band w/KNB1, KAT1, KBT1, back light, and mounting bracket.
KX1 (S/N 015) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30 (the one QST used for their review).
K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP (the one
Sherwood built).
Drake T4-X (S/N 11116 - just a coincidence).
K3/100 (S/N 919) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB(now new), KFL3A-200, -500, -2.7K, -6K,
-FM, KRX3, KXV3, PR6-10.
P3 (S/N 476).
HexKey (S/N 113).
DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, W1, BNC-MM




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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug  6 19:30:36 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 23:30:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Features wanted
In-Reply-To: <55C3DA8C.8040106@embarqmail.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com> <55C3D2A7.20307@nc.rr.com>
	<55C3DA8C.8040106@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1159307476.479314.1438903836810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm not suggesting you buy a KPA500, but those that have them do have a dedicated band button when properly cabled. ?
Bob/AA6VB
      From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted
   
Brian,

You are correct, it is a 2 button sequence, but I did not present it as 
a single button operation.

If you hold the M>V button instead of tapping it, you get AF Play - 
which is no problem if you do not have the DVR3 installed.
Guest operators using my K3 at Field Day have had no problem with it 
even though they have had little experience with the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 8/6/2015 5:33 PM, brian wrote:
> Don,
>
> Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.? It is two.
>
> Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two 
> functions.? Tap too long and you don't get M>V.
>

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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 19:37:01 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 00:37:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
In-Reply-To: <4E7007F3-9495-49E1-983D-C8DFB6FB5881@gmail.com>
References: <D70706FE6C0142C6B7A0CFB5767F3475@Paramount>
	<4E7007F3-9495-49E1-983D-C8DFB6FB5881@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54F3584BBB30495B92CC467539701276@Paramount>

Thanks to all of you who replied to my initial message. I think I'd part 
convinced myself that I would prefer the KAT500 and your various comments 
have reinforced those thoughts.

The KAT500 User Manual mentions use of the AH-4 protocol, which is what the 
IC7100 uses. It also mentions use of 7 Watts, so I would hope that the 
IC7100 would work OK as it outputs 10W in tune mode.

It's more important to me that the K3 and KPA500 interfaces with the KAT500, 
the Icom interface would be a secondary useful bonus.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vic Rosenthal
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 9:00 AM
To: G4GNX
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner

It would be interesting to compare the toroids and capacitors in both 
products. My guess is that they would be similar, and the difference in 
ratings is based on the degree to which the manufacturer wishes to be 
conservative. As I've said on numerous occasions, MFJ products are rated in 
MFJ watts, which are half the size of regular watts (Pmfj = 2EI).

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:47 AM, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.
>
> I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that 
> the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a 
> sensible assumption?
>
> If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and 
> is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 ?Tune? 
> button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it?s set at 10watts)?
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX 


From k9fd at flex.com  Thu Aug  6 20:49:35 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 14:49:35 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMon
In-Reply-To: <1159307476.479314.1438903836810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001801d0d078$c22b87b0$46829710$@net>
	<CAME0jBT_7idHeyj1bYoO8UP0zNt6uoF_UT=n34-r_2Hi82WjtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C3C24A.8030709@embarqmail.com> <55C3D2A7.20307@nc.rr.com>
	<55C3DA8C.8040106@embarqmail.com>
	<1159307476.479314.1438903836810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55C4009F.5080702@flex.com>

Received my P3 TX mon kit the other day and put it in today,
as someone mentioned, took 30 mins or less,  very easy
and great fit etc.
Worked as soon as I fired up the P3 and turned on the TX
feature.

One thing I would like to mention is that my P3 is a older beta
version,  and I have been seeing some odd "noise" on the
display,   it seemed to be internal,   while having the P3 lid off,
I cleaned and applied DeOxit to the cables,  and installed the
cable clip that holds the ribbon cable to the side of the cabinet,
after reassembly all the "noise" is gone and the P3 works like
new.
If your seeing any thing strange on your P3 and cannot find an
external source,  perhaps clean your TMP cables and BNC
connectors etc,  check if you have the cable clip on your
model,
73 Merv K9FD/KH6


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug  6 20:58:35 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Windows 10 and the KUSB
In-Reply-To: <1438903562151-7606013.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1438903562151-7606013.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55C402BB.1090008@blomand.net>

Here's a response from a friend that is way more knowledgeable about 
computer stuff than myself.

Pertaining to Windows 10 :

"In the instances of the Rascal I was using for RTTY (Buxcomm) the old 
prolific USB to RS232 converters did not work and they are now in the 
junk box.  I bought two new ones from RT Systems with the FTDI Chipset 
and that solved the connection problems. Dave xxxxx and Bruce  xxxxx 
have had the same issues and either have or in the process of changing 
their old converters out."

I too, with other radios, have experienced issues with the Prolific chip 
sets.  When replaced with the FTDI Chip set converter, all was well.

In other words, all USB to RS-232 converters are not created equal.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/6/2015 6:26 PM, John W2XS wrote:
> I took the plunge and upgraded to Windows 10 on Monday. After the
> installation was complete, I could no longer connect to my K3 with the N3FJP
> logging program.  The response from Howard at Elecraft support to my email
> was very fast. He suggested that my 2009-vintage silver KUSB cable would not
> be supported by the new operating system and that they had switched chipsets
> in 2010.  I downloaded what I thought was the latest driver from Prolific
> but it still didn't work. So I ordered a new KUSB from Elecraft on Tuesday
> and it arrived today (Thursday). It is black. I plugged the new cable in and
> immediately my PC was connected to the K3 and all is well. So, a silver or
> maybe gray KUSB may not work with Windows 10.
>
> My K3 is S/N 919 and I have kept it up to date including the new synthesizer
> boards. I ordered the KBPF3 upgrade with the new KUSB and may spring for the
> KXV3B to replace my KXV3 and PR6-10 to free up some room behind the
> transceiver.
>
> If anyone is planning on staying with Windows 7 and wants an older KUSB, let
> me know.
>
> 73,
>
> John W2XS
>
> K1 (S/N 2191) 4-band w/KNB1, KAT1, KBT1, back light, and mounting bracket.
> KX1 (S/N 015) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30 (the one QST used for their review).
> K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP (the one
> Sherwood built).
> Drake T4-X (S/N 11116 - just a coincidence).
> K3/100 (S/N 919) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB(now new), KFL3A-200, -500, -2.7K, -6K,
> -FM, KRX3, KXV3, PR6-10.
> P3 (S/N 476).
> HexKey (S/N 113).
> DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, W1, BNC-MM
>
>
>
>
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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Thu Aug  6 21:14:52 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 21:14:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
In-Reply-To: <55C2A023.3090204@arrl.net>
References: <55C20D1B.1090502@cableone.net> <55C2A023.3090204@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <55C4068C.20600@arrl.net>

I wanted to add one more comment to this thread.

IN operating the front panel, moving between bands absolutely benefits 
from the current standard.
That is, when I go back to 40 meters, it takes me to the previous 
frequency and mode.  Totally right.

What I'd love to see, though, is that radio firmware not just emulate 
users pushing buttons, but understand that the software might always do 
three things together, band, frequency, mode, plus filters et al, and 
provide a fast way to do that in one command. Just a thought....

On 08/05/2015 07:45 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
> I have heard from Elecraft and List Members that this is how the radio 
> works.
> It first switches to the mode last used on the band, and then the 
> control software sets your requested mode.
> It's a two step process.  A little annoying, but I'm certain I'll adjust.
>
> 72, Byron
>
> On 08/05/2015 09:18 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>>
>> Byron,
>>
>> I never noticed the behavior you described until you pointed it out, 
>> but I see now that my K3 works the same way.  I have been using the 
>> file "Elecraft K3 X5" with DX4WIN to drive my K3 for several years. I 
>> suspect the radio is doing exactly what DX4WIN is requesting.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Bill - NA5DX
>>
>>
>> [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN
>>
>> Byron Peebles NZ3O at arrl.net
>> Tue Aug 4 21:42:32 EDT 2015
>>
>> I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.
>>
>> When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first
>> to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
>> The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am
>> using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I
>> am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".
>>
>> TIA, 72, Byron
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From docwatt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 23:41:03 2015
From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 20:41:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Dead
Message-ID: <CAGWmHd5XvdWUbQn+y-nTU0MA+31Ez-yTzW3adQCuvsjrX+9XMw@mail.gmail.com>

Having gotten the side tone situation sorted out, I now find I have no
power going to the KAT 100.
I've checked the plug and voltage on D4, R12, and R11.  There appears to be
nothing getting through Q1, I have no voltage on the collector and no
voltage on U8.  Bad Q1?

Tom
KN6DR

From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Fri Aug  7 00:24:18 2015
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 00:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KX-1
Message-ID: <000f01d0d0c8$edc76a10$c9563e30$@gamewood.net>

Time to thin the herd!

Elecraft KX-1 QRP CW Transceiver SN: 787

Cosmetically excellent with slight signs of gentle use

KXPD1 keyer paddle

KXAT1 Internal Antenna Tuner Unit

KXB30 30M module

RF Firmware upgraded to v1.02

ATU Firmware v1.2

40/30/20 meter CW transceiver

Broadband SWL and SSB receive

Headset connector and digital encoder recently replaced

Sensitive receiver and approximately 4 watts output

Manuals available at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX1

$425 shipped CONUS ONLY USPS Priority Mail

Postal Money Order or add $20 for PayPal

Sorry, no returns.  You won't be disappointed.

Pictures on request.

Ken - ke4rg

 


From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri Aug  7 01:28:41 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 00:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
In-Reply-To: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1240386506D3C2A584851CEBF730@phx.gbl>

On 8/5/2015 4:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
> HI
>
> I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the 
> CAT. I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'
>
>
> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
> e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
> Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/
>

Alfredo, have you seen the note in red ink at the prolific website at 
this link?

http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41

It seems to me that there was some chatter in the past about  USB to 
Serial cable look-alikes.

Dick, n0ce



From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri Aug  7 01:48:03 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 00:48:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
In-Reply-To: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1438793289505-7605930.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On 8/5/2015 11:48 AM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
> I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order page
> to help future customers select a suitable keyboard.  If you're using a
> keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
> number it is, price you paid, etc.
>
>
> Thanks and kind regards,
>
> Paul n6hz
>
>
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Paul,

I use a Logitech K120 USB keyboard.   Bought it too long ago to remember 
price. I think it was 'cheap'.  I wish my new laptop keyboard worked as 
well.

Dick, n0ce




From ea3fyz at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 04:16:01 2015
From: ea3fyz at gmail.com (David Gimenez)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:16:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <CAP5LfvA1NzLz9vmszRR4_uKzuWwbAkCK_yUpe8pAHk_Um5gFRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
	<CAP5LfvA1NzLz9vmszRR4_uKzuWwbAkCK_yUpe8pAHk_Um5gFRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP5LfvBrA8TVMfuFSocCnTOCMs8m5STM=x7nfLEdUQt-vR45pg@mail.gmail.com>

Bill you are not foolish...
I experienced the same, and measured 5 Watts using a dummy load at the end
of my K9AY when transmitting with my 40 m monopole  (K3 + 1 kW amplifier)
The fix was adding a simple relay on the rx antenna path driven by the key
out signal of my K3. The NO contact of the relay was soldered to a 50 Ohm/5
W resistor. This additionally helps to protect my TS-830S, which is also
connected to the rx antenna..
Hope this helps

David
EA3FYZ


2015-08-06 18:40 GMT+02:00 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:

> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
> worry about this?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
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From ea3fyz at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 04:30:27 2015
From: ea3fyz at gmail.com (David Gimenez)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:30:27 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP1240386506D3C2A584851CEBF730@phx.gbl>
References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP1240386506D3C2A584851CEBF730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAP5LfvC9se42t=p75pCoTR5vBhgL_SRWniKYDoYFP7Q6KQJTWg@mail.gmail.com>

Richard, I found the same issue with my old prolific cable and K3 CAT
Do not ask my why, but after 2 or 3 connections and disconnections the DX
LAB commander recognized again my K3
73
David

EA3FYZ

2015-08-07 7:28 GMT+02:00 Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com>:

> On 8/5/2015 4:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> HI
>>
>> I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT. I
>> want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'
>>
>>
>> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
>> e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com
>> Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/
>>
>>
> Alfredo, have you seen the note in red ink at the prolific website at this
> link?
>
> http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
>
> It seems to me that there was some chatter in the past about  USB to
> Serial cable look-alikes.
>
> Dick, n0ce
>
>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Aug  7 06:01:01 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 03:01:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection
In-Reply-To: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
References: <D09D7305-A3E6-4A7F-B940-80E0FBD2B431@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <1438941661502-7606025.post@n2.nabble.com>

Bill,

highly recommended. Never had any issue. Easy, cheap, reliable...

http://ok1rp.blogspot.cz/2015/03/front-end-saver-for-lb-antennas.html

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 06:16:45 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 20:16:45 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise
 reduction?
In-Reply-To: <55C38486.4060508@socal.rr.com>
References: <wuof3nud14echxfng4m8cokp.1438828876421@email.android.com>
	<CAME0jBT1eQObZEe7T-V4h6iX1b15ooVbeZkHmxD46TWn2eNadQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C36934.5040005@blomand.net> <55C38486.4060508@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55c48593.2666420a.ef96d.ffff9a17@mx.google.com>

Bob,

Sure didn't mean 40m in vk?

Here you will hear such classic gem's like Rodgy, 10-4, swar, loud n proud....should I go on?

I better not....it's a hoot, but, it does grow old rather quickly.

TIC

Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
Sent: ?7/?08/?2015 2:01 AM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction?

Bob,

You must not listen to 20 SSB much if you consider 
hams to be fine communicators :-)

As for LMS, a local suggested Limited Mental 
Stability, but I think that has to be op-provided, 
not by any rig!

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/6/15 7:03 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> For those that choose to use acronyms in their 
> writing or communication, it is usually deemed 
> proper to identify the details or translation at 
> the first use of the acronym in any piece.  The 
> acronym will then be most likely understood 
> during the reading of the remainder of the piece.
>
> After all........we are supposed to be 
> "communicators" aren't we? Just sayin'.
>
>
> 73 Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 8:00 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>> The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least 
>> Mean Square".  It's a
>> mathematical algorithm used in digital signal 
>> processing to implement a
>> specific type of filter.  If you really want 
>> the gory details, see here:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter 
>>
>>
>> Of course, this doesn't explain how one would 
>> select that algorithm within
>> the K3, as I found no such indication in either 
>> the DSP or IF noise blanker
>> selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.
>>
>> -Chris

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug  7 06:48:48 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 06:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Dead
In-Reply-To: <CAGWmHd5XvdWUbQn+y-nTU0MA+31Ez-yTzW3adQCuvsjrX+9XMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGWmHd5XvdWUbQn+y-nTU0MA+31Ez-yTzW3adQCuvsjrX+9XMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C48D10.3080707@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

Check the voltages on Q8.  When the K2 is powered, you should have 12 
volts on the gate and the drain should go to a low voltage.
That in turn should make Q1 conduct.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/6/2015 11:41 PM, Tom Field wrote:
> Having gotten the side tone situation sorted out, I now find I have no
> power going to the KAT 100.
> I've checked the plug and voltage on D4, R12, and R11.  There appears to be
> nothing getting through Q1, I have no voltage on the collector and no
> voltage on U8.  Bad Q1?
>
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug  7 08:09:41 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:09:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
	QRQ CW
Message-ID: <002401d0d109$f1db3410$d5919c30$@carolinaheli.com>

I've not heard from Marc on this but sent him an email asking if he had a
standard keyboard to try. From our earlier conversations it sounded like he
had tried at least two different keyboards already. One wireless and one
wired. I'm not doubting you Eric. Just wanting to look at this more closely.
If you've worked with Marc and the issue is resolved that's great!  Were we
able to find out if the keyboard is also the cause of the dropped
characters? Lowering the port bitrate resulted in fewer/no dropped
characters but that shouldn't be necessary (from reading and searching it
didn't sound possible to change the bitrate but apparently it is). 

 

For some reason I'm not getting emails from the reflector so I'm having to
get them on the web..

Jer

AE4PB

 

>It turns out the delay in this case is due to the particular keyboard in
use as 

>it has a sleep mode and wakes up slowly.

> 

>73,

> 

>Eric

>/elecraft.com/

 

>On 8/6/2015 10:58 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>  wrote:

> Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with

> K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)

> 

> Some thoughts and conjecture:

> Dropped Characters:

> At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could
possibly

> result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error

> handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections

> in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped

> characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be

> caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial
data

> is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates.
That's

> why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some

> applications.

> 

> Delay:

> My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for
status

> and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,

> frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle

> completes and goes back to sending.

> 

> Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little
more

> that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the

> traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the

> polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk

> stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a

> keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the

> K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the

> conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.

> 

> Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or
a

> shorter one.

> 

> Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.

> 

> Jer / AE4PB

> 

> 

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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug  7 08:48:20 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
	QRQ CW
Message-ID: <004601d0d10f$57e73830$07b5a890$@carolinaheli.com>

Executive Summary

Issue: Dropped characters during high speed (over 60wpm) CW sent via
Keyboard connected to the P3 and K3. Approximately 4s Pause in transmission
at around each approximately 130 character mark.

Testing: 

1.   Several different keyboards (at least 4) have been used to test. All
keyboards exhibit the same issues.

2.   Lower the port speed on the P3 - should have NO effect on
communications between the P3 and K3, however, the issue with dropped
characters appears to have resolved. I believe the P3 firmware is suspect as
a result.

3.   Reseat all internal/external connections. No apparent effect.

 

Next Steps:

1.   Leave the P3 port speed settings low if that works around the dropped
character issue. This shouldn't affect the P3 to K3 communications.

2.   Due to the high cost of shipping parts back and forth to CA from Marc's
QTH I'm suggesting he try a new cable. 

3.   IF we are not able to try a new cable OR a new cable doesn't work then
I'm suggesting we snoop/monitor the serial data steam between the P3 and K3
to determine where the delay is being initiated from.

 

 

 

Sending Marc's email to the reflector..

 

>From Marc>

I saw that comment, too, but Eric is completely wrong.  If he saw the
problem in action he'd know that it occurs long after the keyboard is fully
active.

 

Paul and I have been in extended e-mail conversations.  First thing he said
is that the baud rate setting on the K3 and on the P3 has no effect on the
baud rate used for inter-device communication.  Those baud rates only apply
to the "host" connection, that is a pc connected to one or the other of the
devices.  So changing the baud rate on the P3 to 4800, which had a dramatic
effect on dropped character rates, did not change the comm rate from P3 to
K3.  That rate is always 38,400.  

 

We also confirmed that a "macro" stored in the SVGA board by saving it from
the keyboard will be dumped to the K3 without error.  However, a one-letter
macro will be dropped when repeatedly sent from the keyboard (by typing the
macro name, for example [ALT]m).  Thus we're sure that the character drop
occurs between keyboard and SVGA board.

 

I use 4 different keyboards for testing, 2 wireless and 2 wired.  One of the
wired boards, commonly used for Raspberry Pi projects, is pretty junky and
tough to use, but none of the keyboards avoids the dropped character
problem.  

 

All this suggests that there may be simply poor contact at the USB connector
on the P3.

 

The RS-232 data flow is almost undoubtedly the culprit.

 

When I started programming full time (I leased from Hewlett Packard a HP9820
and the single pen plotter) in 1972, I pretty much put away the soldering
iron.  Only many years later when we started using a bank of modems for
Internet connections and started using Ethernet internally did I do any sort
of building and that was all just cable work.  Oh, once in a while I'd
change boards in a box or clean finger contacts, but nothing like the early
days.

 

So this retirement gig is different.  In fact just this morning I ordered a
set of Xcelite drivers.  One more step backwards toward my youth.

 

I did own and manage a consumer electronics repair business way back when,
but ended up hiring repair people and training them.  I was more interested
in writing programs to manage bookkeeping than I was repairing stuff.  It
did teach me that the best tools are really good investments, though.  Prior
to that I used cheap tools, but our repairs were done faster, more
profitably, when we used the best tools and the best repair parts.  

 

Thanks for the cell number.  I'll put it in my contacts list and try to keep
you up-to-date.

 

But ignore Eric's statement.  It was completely out of context and may even
refer to some other thread.  More likely, though, he was just remembering
conversations among their techs when my P3/SVGA was in the shop and they
couldn't reproduce any problems *except* the periodic delay.  

-- 

Marc

 

 

From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:10 AM
To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
Cc: 'eric.swartz at elecraft.com'
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
QRQ CW

 

I've not heard from Marc on this but sent him an email asking if he had a
standard keyboard to try. From our earlier conversations it sounded like he
had tried at least two different keyboards already. One wireless and one
wired. I'm not doubting you Eric. Just wanting to look at this more closely.
If you've worked with Marc and the issue is resolved that's great!  Were we
able to find out if the keyboard is also the cause of the dropped
characters? Lowering the port bitrate resulted in fewer/no dropped
characters but that shouldn't be necessary (from reading and searching it
didn't sound possible to change the bitrate but apparently it is). 

 

For some reason I'm not getting emails from the reflector so I'm having to
get them on the web..

Jer

AE4PB

 

>It turns out the delay in this case is due to the particular keyboard in
use as 

>it has a sleep mode and wakes up slowly.

> 

>73,

> 

>Eric

>/elecraft.com/

 

>On 8/6/2015 10:58 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>  wrote:

> Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with

> K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)

> 

> Some thoughts and conjecture:

> Dropped Characters:

> At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could
possibly

> result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error

> handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections

> in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped

> characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be

> caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial
data

> is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates.
That's

> why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some

> applications.

> 

> Delay:

> My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for
status

> and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,

> frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle

> completes and goes back to sending.

> 

> Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little
more

> that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the

> traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the

> polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk

> stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a

> keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the

> K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the

> conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.

> 

> Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or
a

> shorter one.

> 

> Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.

> 

> Jer / AE4PB

> 

> 

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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Fri Aug  7 09:21:06 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:21:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?
Message-ID: <mailman.189.1438953681.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi Paul:

I also use a Logitech K360 (Wireless). Somewhere in the archives you 
will find that the K360 came highly recommended, that is why I purchased
it. Also too long ago to know how much I paid, but probably wasn't 
too much. Not sure what they go for today, but it works like a charm.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Fri Aug  7 09:38:09 2015
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:38:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>

What frequency? What spacing between the peaks?
On VHF this effect can often be seen due to aircraft scatter, ie doppler 
shifted returns as well as the direct one.
So lots of possible explanations.

Graham

On 19:59, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
>
>
> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my PX3.
>
> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>
> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
> Gerard VK2JNG
>
>
>
>
>
> Gerard
> vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>
>
>
>
>    

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug  7 09:51:56 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:51:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
	<55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <55C4B7FC.8080006@blomand.net>

I suspect this is/was a MCW generated signal with a bit too much drive 
applied.   Thus over drive of any audio stage such as may occur when 
feeding the computer output or sound card output to the microphone 
input.  In this configuration it is very easy to overdrive the first 
stage, which appears before any gain adjustments.  Once this stage is 
driven into distortion the least amount, no adjustments down stream in 
the audio chain will clean up the signal.  Also excessive ALC, and in 
some radios any degree of ALC will cause the artifact,  and any amount 
of audio processing will cause the basic same effect.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/7/2015 8:38 AM, Graham g3tct wrote:
> What frequency? What spacing between the peaks?
> On VHF this effect can often be seen due to aircraft scatter, ie 
> doppler shifted returns as well as the direct one.
> So lots of possible explanations.
>
> Graham
>
> On 19:59, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 
>> peaks on my PX3.
>>
>> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>>
>> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks 
>> for that.
>>
>> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have 
>> never seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>>
>> Gerard VK2JNG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerard
>> vk2jng at iCloud dot com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From g1mhu at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  7 10:06:34 2015
From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:06:34 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>
	<55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DUB112-DS427B3CF0C5521303721666E9730@phx.gbl>

could be sending  Audio tone CW from a sound card and overdriving? 

Robin G1MHU

From gaylordgasque at skgautomation.com  Fri Aug  7 10:27:26 2015
From: gaylordgasque at skgautomation.com (Gaylord Gasque)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 07:27:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <DUB112-DS427B3CF0C5521303721666E9730@phx.gbl>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>	<55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
	<DUB112-DS427B3CF0C5521303721666E9730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001d0d11d$2f9783e0$8ec68ba0$@com>

Usually happens when the signal is strong and/or overdriven plus the noise
blanker is turned on.

Gaylord N4SF

-----Original Message-----
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Moseley
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:07 AM
To: Graham g3tct; Gerard Elijzen
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

could be sending  Audio tone CW from a sound card and overdriving? 

Robin G1MHU
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug  7 11:13:48 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 11:13:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
Message-ID: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>

I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road. 

 

It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
something silly like a storm/fire..etc. 

Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
investments.

Jerry / AE4PB


From norhey at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 11:26:16 2015
From: norhey at gmail.com (Norhey)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:26:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
Message-ID: <55C4CE18.1090406@gmail.com>

One could think - after so many proposals on this thread - it's time for the originator to 
clarify/exclude some of the suggestions?

Bert DL8BDF

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 11:26:59 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 11:26:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>

I have the insurance offered by the ARRL. It is very reasonably priced, and
the service has always been excellent (although I only filed a claim once,
for an antenna I lost when a tree collapsed).

Hope this helps.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 11:14 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance

I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road. 

 

It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
something silly like a storm/fire..etc. 

Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
investments.

Jerry / AE4PB

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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Aug  7 11:33:44 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:33:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted:  P3 and 2.1 KLHz SSB Filter
Message-ID: <1533291005.420866.1438961624027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I am looking for a P3 Panadapter - with or without the SVGA adapter and a 2.1 KHz filter. ?Please contact me off list if you have either for sale. ?Email is good on QRZ.ThanksBob ?W6VY

From ldormiston at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 12:13:30 2015
From: ldormiston at gmail.com (Lee Ormiston)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:13:30 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFuRoiGKmA6S2rD9n-LTGt9Ct1AoVOX3HY90CBGP-k5RQbu9dw@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry and Ian,

As Ian said, ARRL has rig insurance.
Also, talk with your homeowners/renters insurance company.  Your casualty
insurance will pay to repair/replace personal property up to the coverage
levels in your policy.  This type coverage has deductibles, etc.  You can
also purchase 'valuable personal property' coverage for things like amateur
radio equipment, cameras, etc.  With my insurance carrier there is no
deductible and items are covered at home, in car, in hotel room, wherever
even if the damage is caused by my spilling coffee on/into the item.

Hope that helps you.
73 NORRL

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ian - Ham <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have the insurance offered by the ARRL. It is very reasonably priced, and
> the service has always been excellent (although I only filed a claim once,
> for an antenna I lost when a tree collapsed).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 11:14 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
>
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch
> connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.
>
>
>
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>
> Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
> investments.
>
> Jerry / AE4PB
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Aug  7 12:19:56 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 09:19:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3
In-Reply-To: <DUB112-DS427B3CF0C5521303721666E9730@phx.gbl>
References: <07D3554E-2297-4976-98AB-1452F85437C3@icloud.com>	<55C4B4C1.2050502@g3tct.co.uk>
	<DUB112-DS427B3CF0C5521303721666E9730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55C4DAAC.6010801@foothill.net>

A distinct possibility.  For those that have a P3/PX3/SDR Panadapter and 
can hear WWV on several of its frequencies, compare the spectra of the 
2.5 and 20 MHz transmissions with those of the 5, 10, and 15 MHz ones. 
The 2.5 and 20 MHz transmitters are low level modulated followed by 
linear amplifier chains.  The others are plate modulated Class C.  The 
difference is striking.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org

On 8/7/2015 7:06 AM, Robin Moseley wrote:
> could be sending  Audio tone CW from a sound card and overdriving?
> Robin G1MHU


From nf4l at comcast.net  Fri Aug  7 12:35:16 2015
From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 12:35:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <851B6D08-2E21-4B03-907E-C9A203FA7982@comcast.net>

ARRL affiliated insurance. Wouldn't be without it.
73, Mike NF4L


> On Aug 7, 2015, at 11:13 AM, <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road. 
> 
> 
> 
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc. 
> 
> Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
> investments.
> 
> Jerry / AE4PB
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug  7 12:39:24 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 11:39:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C4DF3C.3080905@blomand.net>

I have found the program offered  by ARRL is one of the best.


73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/7/2015 10:13 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.
>
>   
>
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>
> Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
> investments.
>
> Jerry / AE4PB
>
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From fsmeier at telus.net  Fri Aug  7 12:45:37 2015
From: fsmeier at telus.net (Fred Meier)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:45:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KX3 with KPA500, cable?
In-Reply-To: <trinity-022d70a6-efda-402f-a30d-4f660915e0de-1438420913765@3capp-webde-bs38>
Message-ID: <B0C13C3D368444B8B7A0A8B7E30C5D96@Friedhelm>

Hi Dieter.
Contact me directly for further info regarding a breakout interface between your KX3 and the KPA 500. My contact info is on my website.
Cheers, Fred VE7FMN
www.ve7fmn.ca

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug  7 13:05:04 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 13:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55C4E540.10501@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

Even though ARRL offers good and comprehensive insurance coverage for 
your ham gear, you talked about an arc from your coax connector.
The best insurance for that condition is to make certain there is a DC 
path across each of your feedlines to dissipate such a static charge.
A 5k to 50k 1 watt non-reactive resistor will normally do that job nicely.
An in-line antenna switch to switch the transceiver to a dummy load (or 
an open) is good additional insurance.  If you do use an antenna switch, 
you may be able to open it and install the above mentioned resistors inside.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/7/2015 11:13 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.
>
>   
>
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug  7 13:13:06 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 13:13:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C4E540.10501@embarqmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C4E540.10501@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <003501d0d134$54b22510$fe166f30$@carolinaheli.com>

Hi Don,
    Sounds like very good advice to me. I was very surprised when I heard
the pop. I'm newly getting back into the hobby and moved my shack from the
bedroom on one end of the house to my office on the opposite side. I have a
lot of wiring items on my list which includes a 240vac circuit and heavy
ground from the actual panel ground rod which I'll tie into a ground rod at
my end and common all grounds in a subpanel in the office. In addition I'm
planning a plate with throughole connectors for my coax that's grounded to
the same point, then a manual coax switch (I'll have a remote coax switch
for switching antennas, just can't find the outside unit yet).

The resistor idea sounds like a plan as well. 
jer 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:05 PM
To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance

Jerry,

Even though ARRL offers good and comprehensive insurance coverage for your
ham gear, you talked about an arc from your coax connector.
The best insurance for that condition is to make certain there is a DC path
across each of your feedlines to dissipate such a static charge.
A 5k to 50k 1 watt non-reactive resistor will normally do that job nicely.
An in-line antenna switch to switch the transceiver to a dummy load (or an
open) is good additional insurance.  If you do use an antenna switch, you
may be able to open it and install the above mentioned resistors inside.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/7/2015 11:13 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch
connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the
road.
>
>   
>
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug  7 13:18:29 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 12:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C4E540.10501@embarqmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55C4E540.10501@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C4E865.9010706@blomand.net>

Yes and remember,  ALL lightning protection efforts and methods must be 
outside of the house or structure for safety reasons.  PolyPhaser 
systems are noted to be excellent in this regard.     And second, the 
ground system provided for your station must be bonded back to the AC 
Main ground.    This is per NEC code.

The disconnection of antennas AND power is the safest way for inside 
equipment protection.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/7/2015 12:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Even though ARRL offers good and comprehensive insurance coverage for 
> your ham gear, you talked about an arc from your coax connector.
> The best insurance for that condition is to make certain there is a DC 
> path across each of your feedlines to dissipate such a static charge.
> A 5k to 50k 1 watt non-reactive resistor will normally do that job 
> nicely.
> An in-line antenna switch to switch the transceiver to a dummy load 
> (or an open) is good additional insurance.  If you do use an antenna 
> switch, you may be able to open it and install the above mentioned 
> resistors inside.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/7/2015 11:13 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
>> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
>> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
>> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch 
>> connector
>> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
>> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the 
>> road.
>>
>>
>> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
>> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>>
>
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From fromjusttheking at frontier.com  Fri Aug  7 13:26:55 2015
From: fromjusttheking at frontier.com (fromjusttheking at frontier.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:26:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <538497418.519655.1438968415353.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi again Alan,
As far as your IC-7100 goes using the KAT500 auto tuner, the only thing that you should do as I mentioned in my earlier post (to make sure that the KAT500 is giving you the most accurate tuning possible), is to increase the 7100's power out to about 30 watts, press the TUNE button (or use the AUTO mode) on the KAT500 for EACH new frequency you want to tune up on each band, and that setting will be automatically stored, for each frequency, band and antenna you tuned up on.
Once that is done, put the KAT500 in MAN (MANUAL) mode, go to whatever frequency you want to operate on, and INSTEAD of pressing the TUNER/CALL button, just hold down the PTT button the mic for a moment and the KAT500 will recall the tuner's settings for that (or the nearest to that) frequency. Remember that once the settings are all stored, you can leave your power level at whatever you want to use. Just that simple.
You will be very happy I'm sure using the KAT500 both with your K3 & KPA500, as well as your IC-7100.
Have fun. 73, Alan, AB6C

Original message:
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 00:37:01 +0100
From: "G4GNX" <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner
Message-ID: <54F3584BBB30495B92CC467539701276 at Paramount>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
??? reply-type=original

Thanks to all of you who replied to my initial message. I think I'd part 
convinced myself that I would prefer the KAT500 and your various comments 
have reinforced those thoughts.

The KAT500 User Manual mentions use of the AH-4 protocol, which is what the 
IC7100 uses. It also mentions use of 7 Watts, so I would hope that the 
IC7100 would work OK as it outputs 10W in tune mode.

It's more important to me that the K3 and KPA500 interfaces with the KAT500, 
the Icom interface would be a secondary useful bonus.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From ab7mp at arrl.net  Fri Aug  7 13:40:17 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:40:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
In-Reply-To: <55C2B1C9.6070303@gmail.com>
References: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC>
	<55C2B1C9.6070303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B92BC7BAF16B427AB386144F7D47A866@domaina.local>

Has anybody run into this?

Building my K3S and I'm ready to install the K144XV which needs a 1-pin 
connector on the RF board.  The two options in the instructions don't seem 
to match my board and the errata sheet doesn't address it.  I've sent email 
to tech support, but really need to wrap this project up before the wife 
gets home tonight and finds her dining table looking like a work bench!!

I've been looking through the radio for a 1-pin unused connector 
pre-installed - no joy.

The instructions indicate two possible locations near U12 and C198.  No 
holes in that location on my board.

73

Mark, ab7mp (S# 10186) 


From p_hippenmeyer at bluewin.ch  Fri Aug  7 14:28:36 2015
From: p_hippenmeyer at bluewin.ch (paul hippenmeyer)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:28:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 100 temp rise
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22921.1438896717.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.22921.1438896717.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55C4F8D4.2060904@bluewin.ch>

Hi Hans,

I put an external fan (diameter abt 12cm) onto top of the heatsink of 
the KPA100. This fan runs very quiet at slow speed during TXing. The 
KPA100 internal fan is normaly off, even during rag chewing QSO in CW 
over hours.

regards, paul
hb9axl

From ab7mp at arrl.net  Fri Aug  7 14:28:25 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 11:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
In-Reply-To: <B92BC7BAF16B427AB386144F7D47A866@domaina.local>
References: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC><55C2B1C9.6070303@gmail.com>
	<B92BC7BAF16B427AB386144F7D47A866@domaina.local>
Message-ID: <0DAD62302CE740DE9BE1AF97B6233D7F@ITC>

Elecraft got right back to me on this - error in the manual.

>From Elecraft:

The KXV144 power cord plugs in to P95 (near the batt on the RF board)  the 
pin 1 end
Thanks for pointing the error out in the K3S Manual.


73

Mark, ab7mp



-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:40 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV

Has anybody run into this?

Building my K3S and I'm ready to install the K144XV which needs a 1-pin
connector on the RF board.  The two options in the instructions don't seem
to match my board and the errata sheet doesn't address it.  I've sent email
to tech support, but really need to wrap this project up before the wife
gets home tonight and finds her dining table looking like a work bench!!

I've been looking through the radio for a 1-pin unused connector
pre-installed - no joy.

The instructions indicate two possible locations near U12 and C198.  No
holes in that location on my board.

73

Mark, ab7mp (S# 10186)

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From ab7mp at arrl.net  Fri Aug  7 13:52:49 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:52:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV
In-Reply-To: <B92BC7BAF16B427AB386144F7D47A866@domaina.local>
References: <A99687DF1A114AC5A0BE425FCC522AB2@RobinsonPC><55C2B1C9.6070303@gmail.com>
	<B92BC7BAF16B427AB386144F7D47A866@domaina.local>
Message-ID: <AED0D3EFB28940B3B974001A89C0C3F0@domaina.local>

Just heard from tech support.  I will use pin 1 of P95 and got a thanks for 
pointing out an error in the manual.

Great bunch of people at Elecraft - fastest reply to an email query I've 
ever received!

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:40 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV

Has anybody run into this?

Building my K3S and I'm ready to install the K144XV which needs a 1-pin
connector on the RF board.  The two options in the instructions don't seem
to match my board and the errata sheet doesn't address it.  I've sent email
to tech support, but really need to wrap this project up before the wife
gets home tonight and finds her dining table looking like a work bench!!

I've been looking through the radio for a 1-pin unused connector
pre-installed - no joy.

The instructions indicate two possible locations near U12 and C198.  No
holes in that location on my board.

73

Mark, ab7mp (S# 10186)

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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri Aug  7 15:21:33 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay
 QRQ CW
In-Reply-To: <002401d0d109$f1db3410$d5919c30$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <002401d0d109$f1db3410$d5919c30$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W16B374AA4688848700483BBF730@phx.gbl>

Jer;
I need to call attention to your statement  " Were we
> able to find out if the keyboard is also the cause of the dropped
> characters?"  
No, the keyboard cannot be the cause of the dropped characters becausethe characters are being received, and displayed in the transmit portion of the monitor.  
I think you said you are a potential customer, so you probably are learning howthis all happens.  If the keyboard was the cause of dropped characters, they would not be showing on the screen, which is much like typing an email.
To go one step further, when the P3/SVGA is sending the characters to the K3, it takesa group at a time and changes the color of the characters.  (It seems like they are beingput into a buffer, because it is changing the color ahead of what is being transmitted.)  As long as we stay ahead of the color change, we can make corrections to our message, or type as it is being sent so the far station doesn't need to wait.
This is a great tool, in my opinion.  Too good to go un-used because of a glitch.  The Elecraft folks have it thought out well.  You may like to download the manual.
Dick, n0ce  




> From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:09:41 -0400
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay	QRQ CW
> 
> I've not heard from Marc on this but sent him an email asking if he had a
> standard keyboard to try. From our earlier conversations it sounded like he
> had tried at least two different keyboards already. One wireless and one
> wired. I'm not doubting you Eric. Just wanting to look at this more closely.
> If you've worked with Marc and the issue is resolved that's great!  Were we
> able to find out if the keyboard is also the cause of the dropped
> characters? Lowering the port bitrate resulted in fewer/no dropped
> characters but that shouldn't be necessary (from reading and searching it
> didn't sound possible to change the bitrate but apparently it is). 
> 
>  
> 
> For some reason I'm not getting emails from the reflector so I'm having to
> get them on the web..
> 
> Jer
> 
> AE4PB

 		 	   		  

From n9tf at comcast.net  Fri Aug  7 15:30:01 2015
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:30:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <1701453030.1060131.1438975801627.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Fortunately, my homeowners insurance (State?Farm)?will pay for that loss up to and including if the rig that was damaged is no longer available, will pay for whatever has taken it's place. Had a test of this back in 1999, when I took a direct hit. Insurance paid 100% "NEW" replacement cost. for all radios and antennas. It was Christmas in May, sorta. Policy still the same, with same coverage. 
Interesting side note of the lightening strike, only rig not damaged at all was the one connected to an Alpha Delta 2 position antenna switch box with arc plug. Three other rigs, power supply and a bunch of other accessories on the bench became toast. 
? 
Gene, N9TF 
? 
K3S-F 10057 

----- Original Message -----

From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:13:48 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance 

I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special 
insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my 
station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector 
arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not 
connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road. 

? 

It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to 
something silly like a storm/fire..etc. 

Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their 
investments. 

Jerry / AE4PB 

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From ac9gkx at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 15:35:35 2015
From: ac9gkx at gmail.com (Steven Stuckey)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 15:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1701453030.1060131.1438975801627.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1701453030.1060131.1438975801627.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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Test?


?73?

Steven Stuckey - AC9GK - Indiana

From lroux1 at att.net  Fri Aug  7 16:25:22 2015
From: lroux1 at att.net (Lou Roux)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 13:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] F/S: KX3
Message-ID: <55C51432.2020306@att.net>

Hi all,
I've decided to take the plunge for the new K3S so am offering to sell 
my 3 month old KX3-F w/KXAT3 atu (no other options). Asking $950.00 del 
CONUS only.
For more info please contact me off line at  w6ur at arrl.net.
Thanks, Lou - W6UR

-- 

* ON THE AIR SINCE 1949 *


From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Fri Aug  7 17:19:42 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 22:19:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>

Although I'm in the UK and slightly different rules may apply, generally I 
would say don't be without complete station insurance. Not only insurance 
against rig damage by any means, but also against damage to all other parts 
of your station and perhaps more importantly, public liability insurance to 
cover against any part of your station causing damage to any other person or 
property. My own station is insured in the sum of $7000 with public 
liability cover of $3million.

You really do need specialist insurance as most ordinary residential 
insurance companies just don't understand our "special needs" and will 
attempt to wriggle out of a payout on very flimsy grounds.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:13 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance

I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch connector
arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.



It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
something silly like a storm/fire..etc.

Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
investments.

Jerry / AE4PB 


From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 17:30:23 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP5Ef6d-nrK61=6HuNFWadRt-fGPAqe897rOTrNpeDP32A@mail.gmail.com>

And the ARRL policy covers ALL parts of the station, including computers,
cables, etc., against ANY losses, even self-inflicted ones.

Ian, KM4IK
On Aug 7, 2015 5:21 PM, "G4GNX" <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:

> Although I'm in the UK and slightly different rules may apply, generally I
> would say don't be without complete station insurance. Not only insurance
> against rig damage by any means, but also against damage to all other parts
> of your station and perhaps more importantly, public liability insurance to
> cover against any part of your station causing damage to any other person
> or property. My own station is insured in the sum of $7000 with public
> liability cover of $3million.
>
> You really do need specialist insurance as most ordinary residential
> insurance companies just don't understand our "special needs" and will
> attempt to wriggle out of a payout on very flimsy grounds.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:13 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
>
> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch
> connector
> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.
>
>
>
> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>
> Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
> investments.
>
> Jerry / AE4PB
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Aug  7 17:36:34 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAFHjwP5Ef6d-nrK61=6HuNFWadRt-fGPAqe897rOTrNpeDP32A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
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I?ll be signing up for that soon.

I carry my Yaesu VX-6R with me everywhere, or at least I did until it disappeared a week ago. I continue to tear apart the car, the house, and work, but haven?t found it yet. That loss alone would probably pay for my insurance over all my ham gear.

By the way, if you find a VX-6R with a beat-up Diamond SRH320A antenna in a parking lot or some other strange place near Palo Alto, let me know. I can verify the memories against my Chirp upload.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 7, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:

> And the ARRL policy covers ALL parts of the station, including computers,
> cables, etc., against ANY losses, even self-inflicted ones.
> 
> Ian, KM4IK
> On Aug 7, 2015 5:21 PM, "G4GNX" <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Although I'm in the UK and slightly different rules may apply, generally I
>> would say don't be without complete station insurance. Not only insurance
>> against rig damage by any means, but also against damage to all other parts
>> of your station and perhaps more importantly, public liability insurance to
>> cover against any part of your station causing damage to any other person
>> or property. My own station is insured in the sum of $7000 with public
>> liability cover of $3million.
>> 
>> You really do need specialist insurance as most ordinary residential
>> insurance companies just don't understand our "special needs" and will
>> attempt to wriggle out of a payout on very flimsy grounds.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Alan. G4GNX
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 4:13 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
>> 
>> I'm wondering with such a large investment in gear if anyone has special
>> insurance just for their station? I'm pretty OCD about disconnecting my
>> station when not in use (major pain) and actually had my coax arch
>> connector
>> arc over recently (I keep rubber covers over the connectors when not
>> connected) when a storm was near and there was a lightning hit up the road.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be a real shame to invest in a lifetime rig and lose it to
>> something silly like a storm/fire..etc.
>> 
>> Just wondering what folks do and their experiences protecting their
>> investments.
>> 
>> Jerry / AE4PB
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From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  7 19:28:29 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 16:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>

I'm relieved to hear that!

I had heard some rumor that the ARRL insurance wasn't that great, but I 
understand that they changed carriers.

Do they offer a true "replacement cost" for items?
That's what it says on my homeowner's policy, but after filing a claim I 
noticed that they had depreciated some items.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 8/7/2015 8:26 AM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> I have the insurance offered by the ARRL. It is very reasonably priced, and
> the service has always been excellent (although I only filed a claim once,
> for an antenna I lost when a tree collapsed).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
>


From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 20:28:42 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 20:28:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
	<55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>

Yes, they offer true replacement cost. There is a $50 deductible on claims.
If you're replacing a high-end rig (like a K3/K3S), you're going to come out
very well.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Lowman
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:28 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance

I'm relieved to hear that!

I had heard some rumor that the ARRL insurance wasn't that great, but I
understand that they changed carriers.

Do they offer a true "replacement cost" for items?
That's what it says on my homeowner's policy, but after filing a claim I
noticed that they had depreciated some items.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 8/7/2015 8:26 AM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> I have the insurance offered by the ARRL. It is very reasonably 
> priced, and the service has always been excellent (although I only 
> filed a claim once, for an antenna I lost when a tree collapsed).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
>

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From mhvnmn at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 21:32:38 2015
From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had
	buyers
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	<55C3F749.3090706@elecraft.com>
	<439C4041-E156-44B4-8FCC-D39F6D276722@gmail.com>
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Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I?m not suffering character loss, even the double ?l? in hello gets sent every time I?ve tried it.  The quick brown fox is happy, too.

Oddly, in the several times I?ve typed the typical quick brown fox, I haven?t seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
? 
Marc   W8SDG

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Marc,
> 
> Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting (SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA runs a little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the monitor, there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
> Project Manager
> Elecraft Inc.
> 831-763-4211 x122
> www.elecraft.com
> 
> On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marc,
>>> 
>>> I was reading Jer's recent post, "Executive Summary",   If you have that monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
>> VOX
>> 
>> 
>>> Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
>> 3000
>> 
>> 
>>> Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me what the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
>> 1920 x 1080
>> 
>>> Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3 only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
>> 05.29
>> 
>> ?
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
>>> Project Manager
>>> Elecraft Inc.
>>> 831-763-4211 x122
>>> www.elecraft.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>> That's a relief.  C is good.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your life, too.  :-)
>>>> 
> 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug  7 21:50:54 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
	<55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>
	<02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C5607E.1060205@embarqmail.com>

Yes, and the ARRL insurance covers your gear even when mounted or 
transported in a vehicle (many homeowner's policies do not cover that, 
and you must rely on your auto insurance for recovery - good luck, many 
exclude radio gear).  It also covers antennas and towers if you specify 
those on the policy.
Yes, you must enumerate your gear that you wish to be covered, but once 
that is done, you are covered for full replacement value.

My only experience with an ARRL insurance claim was through a customer 
who wanted to use his K2/100 for Field Day, and someone connected the 12 
volt supply with reverse polarity.  The KPA100 became a "crispy 
critter", but the ARRL insurance covered the cost of a new kit plus my 
fee to build it - in full (I did not get the details of any 
deductible).  The process was very quick and both myself and the 
customer was a pleasant one.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 8/7/2015 8:28 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
> Yes, they offer true replacement cost. There is a $50 deductible on claims.
> If you're replacing a high-end rig (like a K3/K3S), you're going to come out
> very well.
>
>


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug  7 21:51:05 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:51:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had
	buyers
In-Reply-To: <38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
References: <EE0CD796-312D-417F-8C33-ABDCEDA2CCFB@gmail.com>
	<55C3F0E7.8040704@elecraft.com>
	<37898051-45AA-489B-BA2F-EE07ACE30BB7@gmail.com>
	<55C3F749.3090706@elecraft.com>
	<439C4041-E156-44B4-8FCC-D39F6D276722@gmail.com>
	<55C50486.6080101@elecraft.com>
	<4B8A4519-8473-4E55-AD3A-D5CEB08C09D8@gmail.com>
	<55C52E19.8040601@elecraft.com>
	<38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801d0d17c$b1503d00$13f0b700$@carolinaheli.com>

Excellent!! :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Veeneman [mailto:mhvnmn at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Paul Saffren
Cc: Jerry Moore; elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: Keyboard Issue - [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had
buyers

Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I'm not suffering character loss, even the
double "l" in hello gets sent every time I've tried it.  The quick brown fox
is happy, too.

Oddly, in the several times I've typed the typical quick brown fox, I
haven't seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank
you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the
K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
- 
Marc   W8SDG

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Marc,
> 
> Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting
(SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA
runs a little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the
monitor, there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
> Project Manager
> Elecraft Inc.
> 831-763-4211 x122
> www.elecraft.com
> 
> On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marc,
>>> 
>>> I was reading Jer's recent post, "Executive Summary",   If you have that
monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell
me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
>> VOX
>> 
>> 
>>> Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
>> 3000
>> 
>> 
>>> Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me
what the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
>> 1920 x 1080
>> 
>>> Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3
only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
>> 05.29
>> 
>> -
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
>>> Project Manager
>>> Elecraft Inc.
>>> 831-763-4211 x122
>>> www.elecraft.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>> That's a relief.  C is good.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your
life, too.  :-)
>>>> 
> 



From w4jz at bellsouth.net  Fri Aug  7 22:54:36 2015
From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:54:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
Message-ID: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>

I have HRIA for a number of years.   I never had a claim, thank 
goodness, but this insurance is by hams,  Bill W3WH. 
http://hamradioinsurance.com/  You can also check out the eham reviews.  
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1830

I use to have ARRL insurance when they were using Seabury & Smith & 
hated it.  They didn't understand anything about ham gear.  Pain to deal 
with if you bought or sold gear & that is why I switched to HRIA.

Get a new piece of gear that is under $1k, during the policy period, you 
just email Bill the price & you don't pay until the next due date.  If 
over $1k he will send you the amount you owe.  Very easy to deal with!

Hopefully the new ARRL insurance is much better to deal with now, but 
you might check out HRIA site.

I don't have any affiliation with HRIA or Bill W3WH.

73,
Reed  W4JZ




From n2lrb at n2lrb.com  Fri Aug  7 23:09:22 2015
From: n2lrb at n2lrb.com (Jose Rivera)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:09:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Operating Temperatures
Message-ID: <01a801d0d187$a03f5680$e0be0380$@n2lrb.com>

I wish to operate my KX3 in a portable manner this coming winter. I wish to know what is the operating
temperature ranges of the KX3. I cover my KX3 when out in the summer sun so that it does not get hot. But I
wonder what is the lowest temperature I can safely operate my KX3 this winter? I live in New York City and
temperatures can go as low as zero degrees Fahrenheit. 

 

Jose N2LRB

www.n2lrb.com

 


From jg.k8wxa at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 23:48:32 2015
From: jg.k8wxa at gmail.com (Joshua Gould)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C5607E.1060205@embarqmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
	<55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>
	<02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>
	<55C5607E.1060205@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHk01bDjc7-954-BA59ZWZ1-bAN7k=OH8-XcPuYdB8bK9WhERA@mail.gmail.com>

Silly question,

Is the premium per month or a one time thing?  (I'm not sure and the XYL
says it's probably per month... She is smarter than me..) The website
doesn't provide much in the way of help on this question...



72,
Joshua Gould
K8WXA
EM89pn

KX3 # 7480

NAQCC # 7704
OMISS # 9948
4sqrp # 990
FP # 3579

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, and the ARRL insurance covers your gear even when mounted or
> transported in a vehicle (many homeowner's policies do not cover that, and
> you must rely on your auto insurance for recovery - good luck, many exclude
> radio gear).  It also covers antennas and towers if you specify those on
> the policy.
> Yes, you must enumerate your gear that you wish to be covered, but once
> that is done, you are covered for full replacement value.
>
> My only experience with an ARRL insurance claim was through a customer who
> wanted to use his K2/100 for Field Day, and someone connected the 12 volt
> supply with reverse polarity.  The KPA100 became a "crispy critter", but
> the ARRL insurance covered the cost of a new kit plus my fee to build it -
> in full (I did not get the details of any deductible).  The process was
> very quick and both myself and the customer was a pleasant one.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 8/7/2015 8:28 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
>
>> Yes, they offer true replacement cost. There is a $50 deductible on
>> claims.
>> If you're replacing a high-end rig (like a K3/K3S), you're going to come
>> out
>> very well.
>>
>>
>>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug  7 23:53:14 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAHk01bDjc7-954-BA59ZWZ1-bAN7k=OH8-XcPuYdB8bK9WhERA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>
	<55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>
	<02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>
	<55C5607E.1060205@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHk01bDjc7-954-BA59ZWZ1-bAN7k=OH8-XcPuYdB8bK9WhERA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C57D2A.2010905@embarqmail.com>

Joshua,

The ARRL insurance premium is for 12 months.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/7/2015 11:48 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
> Silly question,
>
> Is the premium per month or a one time thing?  (I'm not sure and the 
> XYL says it's probably per month... She is smarter than me..) The 
> website doesn't provide much in the way of help on this question...
>
>
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
>
> KX3 # 7480
>
> NAQCC # 7704
> OMISS # 9948
> 4sqrp # 990
> FP # 3579
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com 
> <mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, and the ARRL insurance covers your gear even when mounted or
>     transported in a vehicle (many homeowner's policies do not cover
>     that, and you must rely on your auto insurance for recovery - good
>     luck, many exclude radio gear).  It also covers antennas and
>     towers if you specify those on the policy.
>     Yes, you must enumerate your gear that you wish to be covered, but
>     once that is done, you are covered for full replacement value.
>
>     My only experience with an ARRL insurance claim was through a
>     customer who wanted to use his K2/100 for Field Day, and someone
>     connected the 12 volt supply with reverse polarity. The KPA100
>     became a "crispy critter", but the ARRL insurance covered the cost
>     of a new kit plus my fee to build it - in full (I did not get the
>     details of any deductible).  The process was very quick and both
>     myself and the customer was a pleasant one.
>
>     73,
>     Don W3FPR
>
>
>     On 8/7/2015 8:28 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
>
>         Yes, they offer true replacement cost. There is a $50
>         deductible on claims.
>         If you're replacing a high-end rig (like a K3/K3S), you're
>         going to come out
>         very well.
>
>
>
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From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  8 00:04:57 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:04:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C57D2A.2010905@embarqmail.com>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>	<02b001d0d125$812f24d0$838d6e70$@gmail.com>	<55C53F1D.3090005@sbcglobal.net>	<02eb01d0d171$2e686e90$8b394bb0$@gmail.com>	<55C5607E.1060205@embarqmail.com>	<CAHk01bDjc7-954-BA59ZWZ1-bAN7k=OH8-XcPuYdB8bK9WhERA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C57D2A.2010905@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d0d18f$64e2ad50$2ea807f0$@net>

All I found was the rates, $1.40 per $100. Seems a tad steep to me.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 8:53 PM
To: Joshua Gould
Cc: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance

Joshua,

The ARRL insurance premium is for 12 months.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/7/2015 11:48 PM, Joshua Gould wrote:
> Silly question,
>
> Is the premium per month or a one time thing?  (I'm not sure and the 
> XYL says it's probably per month... She is smarter than me..) The 
> website doesn't provide much in the way of help on this question...
>
>
>
> 72,
> Joshua Gould
> K8WXA
> EM89pn
>
> KX3 # 7480
>
> NAQCC # 7704
> OMISS # 9948
> 4sqrp # 990
> FP # 3579
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com 
> <mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, and the ARRL insurance covers your gear even when mounted or
>     transported in a vehicle (many homeowner's policies do not cover
>     that, and you must rely on your auto insurance for recovery - good
>     luck, many exclude radio gear).  It also covers antennas and
>     towers if you specify those on the policy.
>     Yes, you must enumerate your gear that you wish to be covered, but
>     once that is done, you are covered for full replacement value.
>
>     My only experience with an ARRL insurance claim was through a
>     customer who wanted to use his K2/100 for Field Day, and someone
>     connected the 12 volt supply with reverse polarity. The KPA100
>     became a "crispy critter", but the ARRL insurance covered the cost
>     of a new kit plus my fee to build it - in full (I did not get the
>     details of any deductible).  The process was very quick and both
>     myself and the customer was a pleasant one.
>
>     73,
>     Don W3FPR
>
>
>     On 8/7/2015 8:28 PM, Ian - Ham wrote:
>
>         Yes, they offer true replacement cost. There is a $50
>         deductible on claims.
>         If you're replacing a high-end rig (like a K3/K3S), you're
>         going to come out
>         very well.
>
>
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Sat Aug  8 00:23:42 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:23:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?
In-Reply-To: <60BEC4F3-3E53-4D25-A680-C694EF17D2DB@elecraft.com>
References: <007701d0cec1$22f117e0$68d347a0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<60BEC4F3-3E53-4D25-A680-C694EF17D2DB@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1439007822569-7606068.post@n2.nabble.com>

The K3 and thus presumably the K3S implements one particular form of the
Least Mean Squares algorithm called the Leaky LMS, see Lyle's response some
years ago:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-NR-td1557606.html#a1557836

That's an adaptive version of a Wiener filter that doesn't get so easily
'stuck' in a non-optimal solution if signal statistics should change
drastically. Instead the non-optimal solution 'leaks' out of the filter.

The Wiener filter by itself is a fixed signal-to-noise optimizing filter,
and thus is fundamentally different from low pass,  high pass etc in that
the filter's coefficients depend on the input signal.




-----
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From software.research.development at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 00:59:05 2015
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 23:59:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
Message-ID: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a K3 w/o a sub-receiver and continue to enjoy learning about the
hobby, and because of that, I?d like to start learning about all the things
I can do w/ a sub-receiver. So I?ve ordered the new K3S-F. Seeing as I have
several weeks to rethink my order before it ships, I?d like to better
understand the sub and filters. I also hear the sub is a pain to remove and
wanted to get my filters right initially if possible.

When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400, and had
the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and (2) 400?s. So
I have the following questions.

How will the filters be installed as a factory build?

If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such (O = open)
Slot      1       2       3       4       5
Main    FM   2.8     O      400    O
Sub       O    2.8     O      400    O

By doing that, I leave the last slot open for 200Hz filters if they come
back, and slot 3 for something between 2.1 and above 400 if I can find a
good reason to fill them.

My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two different
frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it?s not
something I?d likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have that
as well.

I'd be interested in knowing how you guys did it.

Thanks,

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Sat Aug  8 01:11:50 2015
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 00:11:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had
 buyers
In-Reply-To: <38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
References: <EE0CD796-312D-417F-8C33-ABDCEDA2CCFB@gmail.com>,
	<55C3F0E7.8040704@elecraft.com>,
	<37898051-45AA-489B-BA2F-EE07ACE30BB7@gmail.com>,
	<55C3F749.3090706@elecraft.com>,
	<439C4041-E156-44B4-8FCC-D39F6D276722@gmail.com>,
	<55C50486.6080101@elecraft.com>,
	<4B8A4519-8473-4E55-AD3A-D5CEB08C09D8@gmail.com>,
	<55C52E19.8040601@elecraft.com>,
	<38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY173-W273B54DEA1147691378EE7BF720@phx.gbl>

Marc,Please let me know if you no longer experience dropped characters between the P3/SVGA and the K3.  I may have hardware trouble.
Dick, n0ce  




> From: mhvnmn at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:32:38 -0400
> To: pauls at elecraft.com
> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had	buyers
> 
> Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I?m not suffering character loss, even the double ?l? in hello gets sent every time I?ve tried it.  The quick brown fox is happy, too.
> 
> Oddly, in the several times I?ve typed the typical quick brown fox, I haven?t seen the data delay either.
> 
> What a difference!
> 
> It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
> ? 
> Marc   W8SDG
> 

 		 	   		  

From hillslaird at internode.on.net  Sat Aug  8 02:31:33 2015
From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:01:33 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + KPA100 + KAT100
Message-ID: <55C5A245.2020107@internode.on.net>

Hi to all,

My K2 includes the KSB2 SSB, KDSP2, and the K102. The external KAT100-1 
ATU has also been completed.
I've just received kits for the KNB2 and the KPA100 and I'm planning to 
complete them in that order.

After a lot of research in the archives of this list, I've now belatedly 
decided I want to keep the K2 for QRP portable and keep the KAT100 and 
the KPA100 separate in an external EC2 enclosure.
I see that I can order the KAT100PNL to convert the KAT100-1 to a 
KAT100-2 but I'm uncertain what panels are included in that kit.
This is probably a stupid question but, Is that all that's required to 
convert the KAT100-1 enclosure to an EC2 with space for the KPA100 ?
I'm cross with myself for not thinking this out before I placed the last 
order.
Is there anything else I will need ?
Or do I have to buy a complete EC2 ?

Thanks and 73's
Kev   VK5KS

K2 #7552
KSB2, KDSP2, K102, KAT100-1 and
KNB2, KPA100 in process


From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sat Aug  8 03:57:49 2015
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 08:57:49 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
Message-ID: <000101d0d1af$f085d8d0$d1918a70$@co.uk>

G4GNX wrote:
>
>Although I'm in the UK and slightly different rules may apply
[...]
>You really do need specialist insurance as most ordinary residential
>insurance companies just don't understand our "special needs" and will
>attempt to wriggle out of a payout on very flimsy grounds.
>

There's a story about a UK ham who claimed on his homeowner's insurance
for the loss of his amateur microwave equipment. They sent him a voucher
for a kitchen appliances store.


73 from Ian GM3SEK



From ve3iay at storm.ca  Sat Aug  8 07:37:41 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 07:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
Message-ID: <55C5EA05.30104@storm.ca>

Your understanding of diversity mode is incorrect. What you described is 
NON-diversity mode, i.e. normal or default use of the subRX. In this 
normal subRX mode, the two receivers are on different frequencies - the 
main RX (left ear) is on the VFO A frequency (upper display) and the 
subRX (right ear) is on the VFO B frequency (lower display). The 
transmitter is on VFO A if SPLIT is off, and on VFO B if SPLIT is on. 
You can use this for split operation in either orientation (RX on A, TX 
on B or RX on B, TX on A), or you can use it to monitor two frequencies 
at once, and choose which of the two to work on depending on whether you 
turn SPLIT mode on or off. You can also control which RX is/are heard in 
each ear with a configuration option, but the default is A(main) left, 
B(sub) right.

Diversity mode is quite different. In Diversity mode, BOTH receivers are 
on VFO A (upper display). You would use a different antenna for each 
receiver (otherwise there is no point) - because the two receivers are 
using the same VFO and are phase-locked, the relative strengths and 
arrival times of signals in the two ears gives you a kind of panoramic 
soundscape, where the signal you want is localized at a particular 
position in space (seems to come from a particular direction), while 
noise is spread over the whole space, and QRM often comes from a 
different direction relative to the signal you want. It's kind of like 
stereo (diversity) vs. mono (non-diversity, both receivers on the same 
antenna).

In Diversity mode, the lower VFO B display works just like it does with 
a single receiver - it tells you where the transmitter will be when 
SPLIT is on, but it has no connection with either receiver. Do not make 
the mistake of thinking it tells you where the subRX is - that is only 
true in non-diversity mode.

Normal non-diversity dual receive is usable in all modes, including 
phone modes, although the level of activity and the likelihood of split 
operation might be low enough in AM and FM that it might not be 
economically worthwhile to add subRX filters for these modes.

Diversity mode is very useful in CW. It is not useful in digital modes 
(unless someone can write software to emulate what the human brain does 
with the inputs from two ears). I don't know how useful it would turn 
out to be in wider bandwidth modes like SSB, AM and FM - never tried.

I don't know how the filters are installed in a factory build, but the 
arrangement you suggested looks reasonable to me. I don't think there is 
a hardware requirement to line the filters up in corresponding slots in 
both receivers, but from a human interface point of view that makes 
sense. Certainly that's what I did, and like you I left room for the 
filters I thought I would be most likely to want to add later.

73,
Rich VE3KI


(unknown call sign) wrote:

> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two different
> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it's not
> something I'd likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have that
> as well.


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  8 07:43:10 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 07:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + KPA100 + KAT100
In-Reply-To: <55C5A245.2020107@internode.on.net>
References: <55C5A245.2020107@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <55C5EB4E.6030401@embarqmail.com>

Kev,

You will need the EC2 as well as the KAT100PNL kits.  The KAT100PNL kit 
has only the front and rear panels as well as the headers required for 
the KAT100 board.
You may also want the tilt stand if you want to tilt it the same as the K2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/8/2015 2:31 AM, Kevin Schache wrote:
> Hi to all,
>
> My K2 includes the KSB2 SSB, KDSP2, and the K102. The external 
> KAT100-1 ATU has also been completed.
> I've just received kits for the KNB2 and the KPA100 and I'm planning 
> to complete them in that order.
>
> After a lot of research in the archives of this list, I've now 
> belatedly decided I want to keep the K2 for QRP portable and keep the 
> KAT100 and the KPA100 separate in an external EC2 enclosure.
> I see that I can order the KAT100PNL to convert the KAT100-1 to a 
> KAT100-2 but I'm uncertain what panels are included in that kit.
> This is probably a stupid question but, Is that all that's required to 
> convert the KAT100-1 enclosure to an EC2 with space for the KPA100 ?
> I'm cross with myself for not thinking this out before I placed the 
> last order.
> Is there anything else I will need ?
> Or do I have to buy a complete EC2 ?
>


From larry at rn.org  Sat Aug  8 08:43:28 2015
From: larry at rn.org (Larry Snyder)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 07:43:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
Message-ID: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>

I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.

 

I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
Speakers on the PC.

 

With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%.    When I attempt to call CQ -

 

The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.

 

MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP

MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.

 

Still no difference.

 

Any other ideas??

 

Sincerely

 

Larry

 

--

Larry Snyder, RN.ORG, SA  - HK2LS

"Each and Every Day Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org
<http://www.rn.org/>  for their Nursing CEUs!"

Sent via Dell Server/Retiro

 


From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug  8 08:51:14 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 08:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C5FB42.2060207@subich.com>


> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400,
> and had the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and
> (2) 400?s. So I have the following questions.
 >
 > How will the filters be installed as a factory build?

My guess is that the filters would be installed in the first two or
three slots as they were in my original factory built K3.

 > If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such
 > (O = open)
 > Slot      1     2      3       4       5
 > Main     FM    2.8     O      400      O
 > Sub       O    2.8     O      400      O

That is the way mine are done - the Sub RX has a second FM filter
(I wanted the ability to use wide audio for SWLing with an Aux
antenna) and the main TX has a 1500 Hz filter in slot 3 which I
do not use and the 200 Hz filter in slot 5.

If I were to do it again, there would be no changes except to replace
the 1500 Hz filter with a 1800 or possibly a 2100 (that is my typical
SSB bandwidth).  The FM filter it just fine for AM - both TX and RX.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2015 12:59 AM, Lane wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a K3 w/o a sub-receiver and continue to enjoy learning about the
> hobby, and because of that, I?d like to start learning about all the things
> I can do w/ a sub-receiver. So I?ve ordered the new K3S-F. Seeing as I have
> several weeks to rethink my order before it ships, I?d like to better
> understand the sub and filters. I also hear the sub is a pain to remove and
> wanted to get my filters right initially if possible.
>
> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400, and had
> the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and (2) 400?s. So
> I have the following questions.
>
> How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>
> If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such (O = open)
> Slot      1       2       3       4       5
> Main    FM   2.8     O      400    O
> Sub       O    2.8     O      400    O
>
> By doing that, I leave the last slot open for 200Hz filters if they come
> back, and slot 3 for something between 2.1 and above 400 if I can find a
> good reason to fill them.
>
> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two different
> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it?s not
> something I?d likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have that
> as well.
>
> I'd be interested in knowing how you guys did it.
>
> Thanks,
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Aug  8 09:23:09 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat,  8 Aug 2015 06:23:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity modes
In-Reply-To: <55C5EA05.30104@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-8814860AA4024C97AC107AAE3AA97B73@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

There are some other uses of diversity modes which aren't common 
in amateur practice, but might be interesting for special applications.

Pro-audio radio microphones use diversity receivers to minimize 
signal loss as the microphones move. I believe, and Jim or Joe 
will correct me if I am wrong, they transmit using FM. By 
measuring the degree of quieting on the two receivers, the 
combiner can decide which signal is better and route that signal 
to the audio mixing board. Since the audio volume represented by 
a FM signal is mostly independent of signal strength, good 
quality audio gets to the board even as the system changes 
receivers. This kind of system might be useful for amateur 
weak-signal FM work.

The other interesting diversity mode I know of is the way the 
costal commercial communication radio stations worked in the 
1930's and later. They were using CW to send messages across the 
oceans. Each station transmitted on 3 separate bands. The 
receivers listened to all 3 bands and routed the "best" signal 
to the operator. (I don't know how they determined the best 
signal using 1930s technology.) Obviously a two channel version 
could be assembled using a K3 with a sub-receiver.

A system where you can automatically determine which receiver 
has the better signal, could be useful for RTTY. Measuring the 
difference in signal strength of the mark and space signals 
compared with the signal strength half way between them might be 
a useful technique.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 8/8/15 at 4:37 AM, ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) wrote:

>In Diversity mode, the lower VFO B display works just like it 
>does with a single receiver - it tells you where the 
>transmitter will be when SPLIT is on, but it has no connection 
>with either receiver. Do not make the mistake of thinking it 
>tells you where the subRX is - that is only true in 
>non-diversity mode.
>
>Normal non-diversity dual receive is usable in all modes, 
>including phone modes, although the level of activity and the 
>likelihood of split operation might be low enough in AM and FM 
>that it might not be economically worthwhile to add subRX 
>filters for these modes.
>
>Diversity mode is very useful in CW. It is not useful in 
>digital modes (unless someone can write software to emulate 
>what the human brain does with the inputs from two ears). I 
>don't know how useful it would turn out to be in wider 
>bandwidth modes like SSB, AM and FM - never tried.
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From ve3iay at storm.ca  Sat Aug  8 09:31:49 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
Message-ID: <55C604C5.5060401@storm.ca>

I don't use HRD, but the configuration should be basically the same 
regardless of which software you use. My guess as to what was wrong 
initially would be sound card output level too low or muted, but since 
then you have made changes in the wrong direction.

First, you didn't mention which mode you were trying to use, but I am 
assuming it is a sound card digital mode. In digital modes, you should 
put the K3 into DATA A mode. In principle it is possible to use USB, but 
you have to change all sorts of other settings between digital modes and 
SSB (audio input selection, TX and RX EQ off, compression off, and maybe 
different Vox settings). Using DATA A relieves you of all that 
reconfiguring every time you change modes. If your software doesn't want 
to let you use DATA A, maybe it isn't configured correctly for the K3.

Next, since your sound card's output is connected to the K3's Line In 
jack, then MIC SEL should be set to Line In. That's where the audio 
input will be coming from. This setting is remembered separately in DATA 
A vs. phone modes.

In digital modes, MIC+LIN should be Off (actually it will be N/A when 
MIC SEL is set to Line In). You do not want room sounds, fan noise, your 
breathing or anything you say being transmitted on top of the digital 
signal.

The MIC level control (which will actually be the LINE level control 
with MIC SEL = Line In) is set in conjunction with the computer's sound 
card level control. With the transmitter connected to a dummy load 
and/or transmit power dialed down to nothing, set the software to 
transmit using an audio frequency in the middle of the waterfall, put 
the computer's playback level control for the sound card you are using 
somewhere in the middle of its range (not all the way up and not all the 
way down), and adjust the LINE level on the K3 and/or the computer's 
level control until the K3's "ALC" meter reads 4-5 bars. To adjust the 
transmitted signal power, use the PWR control - don't change the 
MIC/LINE gain control once it is set correctly.

There are several different ways to control TX/RX switching, but it 
appears as if you have one working, so we don't need to go into that 
unless you are having problems with it.

73,
Rich VE3KI


HK2LS wrote:

> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>
> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
> Speakers on the PC.
>
> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%.    When I attempt to call CQ -
>
> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>
> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
> Still no difference.
>
> Any other ideas??


From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug  8 09:36:28 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 09:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
Message-ID: <55C605DC.7050004@subich.com>

 > Any other ideas??

Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?

 > MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
 >
 > MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.

Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
for no more than 50W.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/8/2015 8:43 AM, Larry Snyder wrote:
> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>
>
>
> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the Mic and
> Speakers on the PC.
>
>
>
> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall display
> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%.    When I attempt to call CQ -
>
>
>
> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
>
>
> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>
> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
>
>
> Still no difference.
>
>
>
> Any other ideas??
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> --
>
> Larry Snyder, RN.ORG, SA  - HK2LS
>
> "Each and Every Day Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org
> <http://www.rn.org/>  for their Nursing CEUs!"
>

From ny9h at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 11:27:16 2015
From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill NY9H)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 11:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance & REPAIR COSTS
In-Reply-To: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.191.1439047650.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

At 10:54 PM 8/7/2015, Reed wrote:
>I have HRIA for a number of years.   I never had a claim, thank 
>goodness, but this insurance is by hams,  Bill W3WH. 
>http://hamradioinsurance.com/  You can also check out the eham reviews.
>http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1830

I have HRIA also, AND DID HAVE A CLAIM...  My ICOM 7800 STOPPED TURNING ON....
"logic board"  to the tune of 700$ plus 200+ fgt & insurance ( 70 lbs !!!

I opt for an additional charge for " electrical failure"...  and 
according to ICOM it was a surge..
on the 5VDC line,,, ( Hmmm  doesn't that come from the icom power supply ????)

  HRIA covered it ,,,phew,,,,sent the bill got the check ....

The same thing happened three years later...
surges , hah...  that unit is on an online 3.5k ups.....   resolved a 
good solution with ICOM.

bill NY9H  /3



From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat Aug  8 11:28:16 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 08:28:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
Message-ID: <hf7csat2vkdpi2ockkj5t0ipctlc91dovn@4ax.com>

<snip>
>
>The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
Problem areas to look for -

1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data
mode should be DATA A.  DATA A is used to interface external sound to
the K3 through line in and out jacks.

2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on
the PC.  MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.

3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.

Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on
TX, then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control
while in TX to a reasonable level).  For the K3, use the ALC metering
to set 4-5 bars of ALC indicated.  This is the correct drive level to
use.

You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
Playback level to get a happy medium.  Once you've got it, write it
down in case something gets moved around.

73,
matt
W6NIA
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein


From kf7gc at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 12:53:57 2015
From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:53:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
Message-ID: <1850860574.1327848.1439052837717.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I have an almost fully loaded K2-100 For Sale.It includes the Kat-100 External Auto Tuner,all the cables set up for tuner and PC. ?Also a new Elecraft hand mic.all the manuals. Fully aligned, calibrated and ready to have fun.If interested contact me for more info ?kf7gc at arrl.net?928-710-9231?73! Tomy KF7GC


From w0cz at i29.net  Sat Aug  8 12:54:01 2015
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:54:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <hf7csat2vkdpi2ockkj5t0ipctlc91dovn@4ax.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<hf7csat2vkdpi2ockkj5t0ipctlc91dovn@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <70FFF436-48FF-438C-AE94-80B7D4BAE511@i29.net>

Hi to the gang

I have to agree with all the advice from the other hams but I have experienced one more thing at least with my KX3. If I keep turning up the audio the indications go up to the required 4 to 5 bars than if I keep turning up the audio all the bars go away. I can see with a mic gain of 60 that you may be seeing the same thing.

My advice is turn all the gains down to minimum. Bring the computer sound card up to mid scale. Slowly bring the mike gain up and see if you see the same results I described above.

If this doesn't work please excuse the bandwidth but it has happened to me at least twice and caused me to look for other troubles such as cords that were not there.

Good luck

Ken  W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 8, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>> 
>> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
> Problem areas to look for -
> 
> 1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data
> mode should be DATA A.  DATA A is used to interface external sound to
> the K3 through line in and out jacks.
> 
> 2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on
> the PC.  MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.
> 
> 3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.
> 
> Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on
> TX, then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control
> while in TX to a reasonable level).  For the K3, use the ALC metering
> to set 4-5 bars of ALC indicated.  This is the correct drive level to
> use.
> 
> You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
> Playback level to get a happy medium.  Once you've got it, write it
> down in case something gets moved around.
> 
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> --
> "Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein
> 
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From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Sat Aug  8 13:31:35 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:31:35 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
Message-ID: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>

I configured my K3s to use DTR to key CW, (CONFIG:PTT-KEY to ?Off-RTS?) and configured my logging program (Dxlog.net) accordingly; the COM port I?m using is the K3s virtual serial related to the USB connection. Everything worked fine.

Later on I unplugged the K3s to use it in another location, where I?ve just connected power and antenna (no USB); right after powering it up it went to TX, USB RTS was probably in an undefined state being interpreted as high so it keyed CW.
I knew that might be the problem so I tried to access the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu: there was no way to get there while the K3s was stuck in TX, as usual I got to the the ?FW Revs? default config menu but I couldn?t move to the other menus.

The only possible solution has been to get hold of a PC, install USB drivers and set RTS low.

Question: is there any alternative power-up sequence to enter a sort of safe mode allowing me to change configuration ?

Thanks

Marco HB9CAT

P.S.: all firmware revisions are the latest 

From software.research.development at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 13:46:46 2015
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
In-Reply-To: <55C5FB42.2060207@subich.com>
References: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C5FB42.2060207@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAGchGNuR95iimMPGNL8aKvoKvmyfFaO1YkQGFKNp=gAX_e3QRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Joe - How did you get the 200Hz filters for the K3S? I didn't see those as
options anymore, but wished they were.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400,
>> and had the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and
>> (2) 400?s. So I have the following questions.
>>
> >
> > How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>
> My guess is that the filters would be installed in the first two or
> three slots as they were in my original factory built K3.
>
> > If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such
> > (O = open)
> > Slot      1     2      3       4       5
> > Main     FM    2.8     O      400      O
> > Sub       O    2.8     O      400      O
>
> That is the way mine are done - the Sub RX has a second FM filter
> (I wanted the ability to use wide audio for SWLing with an Aux
> antenna) and the main TX has a 1500 Hz filter in slot 3 which I
> do not use and the 200 Hz filter in slot 5.
>
> If I were to do it again, there would be no changes except to replace
> the 1500 Hz filter with a 1800 or possibly a 2100 (that is my typical
> SSB bandwidth).  The FM filter it just fine for AM - both TX and RX.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 8/8/2015 12:59 AM, Lane wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a K3 w/o a sub-receiver and continue to enjoy learning about the
>> hobby, and because of that, I?d like to start learning about all the
>> things
>> I can do w/ a sub-receiver. So I?ve ordered the new K3S-F. Seeing as I
>> have
>> several weeks to rethink my order before it ships, I?d like to better
>> understand the sub and filters. I also hear the sub is a pain to remove
>> and
>> wanted to get my filters right initially if possible.
>>
>> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400, and
>> had
>> the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and (2) 400?s. So
>> I have the following questions.
>>
>> How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>>
>> If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such (O = open)
>> Slot      1       2       3       4       5
>> Main    FM   2.8     O      400    O
>> Sub       O    2.8     O      400    O
>>
>> By doing that, I leave the last slot open for 200Hz filters if they come
>> back, and slot 3 for something between 2.1 and above 400 if I can find a
>> good reason to fill them.
>>
>> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two
>> different
>> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it?s not
>> something I?d likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
>> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have
>> that
>> as well.
>>
>> I'd be interested in knowing how you guys did it.
>>
>> Thanks,
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From software.research.development at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 14:01:21 2015
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:01:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
In-Reply-To: <55C5EA05.30104@storm.ca>
References: <55C5EA05.30104@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <CAGchGNsmLq9HWKOHz9W9ZpUGhd=ep7Nsx8Jaqo0yjoWpfayi8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

Thanks for your reply, very helpful. Never had the rig to try this before.
Looking forwards to learning to operate in split, diversity, and any other
way possible. Seems like one could write a few books on operating w/
sub-receivers alone.


On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca> wrote:

> Your understanding of diversity mode is incorrect. What you described is
> NON-diversity mode, i.e. normal or default use of the subRX. In this normal
> subRX mode, the two receivers are on different frequencies - the main RX
> (left ear) is on the VFO A frequency (upper display) and the subRX (right
> ear) is on the VFO B frequency (lower display). The transmitter is on VFO A
> if SPLIT is off, and on VFO B if SPLIT is on. You can use this for split
> operation in either orientation (RX on A, TX on B or RX on B, TX on A), or
> you can use it to monitor two frequencies at once, and choose which of the
> two to work on depending on whether you turn SPLIT mode on or off. You can
> also control which RX is/are heard in each ear with a configuration option,
> but the default is A(main) left, B(sub) right.
>
> Diversity mode is quite different. In Diversity mode, BOTH receivers are
> on VFO A (upper display). You would use a different antenna for each
> receiver (otherwise there is no point) - because the two receivers are
> using the same VFO and are phase-locked, the relative strengths and arrival
> times of signals in the two ears gives you a kind of panoramic soundscape,
> where the signal you want is localized at a particular position in space
> (seems to come from a particular direction), while noise is spread over the
> whole space, and QRM often comes from a different direction relative to the
> signal you want. It's kind of like stereo (diversity) vs. mono
> (non-diversity, both receivers on the same antenna).
>
> In Diversity mode, the lower VFO B display works just like it does with a
> single receiver - it tells you where the transmitter will be when SPLIT is
> on, but it has no connection with either receiver. Do not make the mistake
> of thinking it tells you where the subRX is - that is only true in
> non-diversity mode.
>
> Normal non-diversity dual receive is usable in all modes, including phone
> modes, although the level of activity and the likelihood of split operation
> might be low enough in AM and FM that it might not be economically
> worthwhile to add subRX filters for these modes.
>
> Diversity mode is very useful in CW. It is not useful in digital modes
> (unless someone can write software to emulate what the human brain does
> with the inputs from two ears). I don't know how useful it would turn out
> to be in wider bandwidth modes like SSB, AM and FM - never tried.
>
> I don't know how the filters are installed in a factory build, but the
> arrangement you suggested looks reasonable to me. I don't think there is a
> hardware requirement to line the filters up in corresponding slots in both
> receivers, but from a human interface point of view that makes sense.
> Certainly that's what I did, and like you I left room for the filters I
> thought I would be most likely to want to add later.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
> (unknown call sign) wrote:
>
> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two different
>> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it's not
>> something I'd likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
>> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have
>> that
>> as well.
>>
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 14:09:34 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:09:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
Message-ID: <CANckpc237gRymTciYFKuHXCgL6nMSrJoLdgtV=RMV-ajskCfOA@mail.gmail.com>

See if there's a smartphone app that breaks out a usb to which you've
plugged in the power cable. I'm going to look for one now.

Otherwise you've put yourself in a very interesting box. Need to turn off
that dtr for moving.  :>)

73, Guy K2AV

On Saturday, August 8, 2015, Marco HB9CAT <hb9cat at thezollingers.org> wrote:

> I configured my K3s to use DTR to key CW, (CONFIG:PTT-KEY to ?Off-RTS?)
> and configured my logging program (Dxlog.net) accordingly; the COM port I?m
> using is the K3s virtual serial related to the USB connection. Everything
> worked fine.
>
> Later on I unplugged the K3s to use it in another location, where I?ve
> just connected power and antenna (no USB); right after powering it up it
> went to TX, USB RTS was probably in an undefined state being interpreted as
> high so it keyed CW.
> I knew that might be the problem so I tried to access the CONFIG:PTT-KEY
> menu: there was no way to get there while the K3s was stuck in TX, as usual
> I got to the the ?FW Revs? default config menu but I couldn?t move to the
> other menus.
>
> The only possible solution has been to get hold of a PC, install USB
> drivers and set RTS low.
>
> Question: is there any alternative power-up sequence to enter a sort of
> safe mode allowing me to change configuration ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> P.S.: all firmware revisions are the latest
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 14:27:00 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:27:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
Message-ID: <55C649F4.2040606@gmail.com>

This problem is fixed in the latest beta firmware for the K3/K3S. Until 
then, it is best to set PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF before taking the K3/K3S to a 
location without USB connectivity.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 8/8/15 10:31 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> I configured my K3s to use DTR to key CW, (CONFIG:PTT-KEY to ?Off-RTS?) and configured my logging program (Dxlog.net) accordingly; the COM port I?m using is the K3s virtual serial related to the USB connection. Everything worked fine.
>
> Later on I unplugged the K3s to use it in another location, where I?ve just connected power and antenna (no USB); right after powering it up it went to TX, USB RTS was probably in an undefined state being interpreted as high so it keyed CW.
> I knew that might be the problem so I tried to access the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu: there was no way to get there while the K3s was stuck in TX, as usual I got to the the ?FW Revs? default config menu but I couldn?t move to the other menus.
>
> The only possible solution has been to get hold of a PC, install USB drivers and set RTS low.
>
> Question: is there any alternative power-up sequence to enter a sort of safe mode allowing me to change configuration ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> P.S.: all firmware revisions are the latest
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 14:31:13 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <55C605DC.7050004@subich.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<55C605DC.7050004@subich.com>
Message-ID: <55C64AF1.2080508@gmail.com>

In addition to Joe's excellent advice, you may need to set the Tx output 
level for the soundcard in DM780 to a higher-than-default level.  In the 
DM780 version I have on my computer, I have the Transmit Level sliders 
for Master and Wave both set to about 70.

With that, my K3 (S) LINE (IN) gain is set to 23 for 4-5 bars of ALC 
using PSK31.

YMMV,
73,

Lyle KK7P

On 8/8/15 6:36 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > Any other ideas??
>
> Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?
>
> > MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
> >
> > MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>
> Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
> PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
> for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
> for no more than 50W.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/8/2015 8:43 AM, Larry Snyder wrote:
>> I have my K3 connected to the PC and the K3 software works fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have 2 audio cables between Line IN and Line Out of the K3 to the 
>> Mic and
>> Speakers on the PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> With HRD - I see the QSOs on the screen and of course the waterfall 
>> display
>> at the bottom with an Audio level of 10%.    When I attempt to call CQ -
>>
>>
>>
>> The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>>
>> MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still no difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any other ideas??
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Larry Snyder, RN.ORG, SA  - HK2LS
>>
>> "Each and Every Day Thousands of Nurses Depend on www.RN.org
>> <http://www.rn.org/>  for their Nursing CEUs!"
>>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug  8 14:54:19 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
Message-ID: <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>

In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read the 
manual several times.   These discussions then raise the question, "is 
there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to factory default 
values?   I may have overlooked this.   However the product not having a 
Master Reset I view is a major shortcoming of the product.

If its there, I'd specifically like to know more.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/8/2015 12:31 PM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> I configured my K3s to use DTR to key CW, (CONFIG:PTT-KEY to ?Off-RTS?) and configured my logging program (Dxlog.net) accordingly; the COM port I?m using is the K3s virtual serial related to the USB connection. Everything worked fine.
>
> Later on I unplugged the K3s to use it in another location, where I?ve just connected power and antenna (no USB); right after powering it up it went to TX, USB RTS was probably in an undefined state being interpreted as high so it keyed CW.
> I knew that might be the problem so I tried to access the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu: there was no way to get there while the K3s was stuck in TX, as usual I got to the the ?FW Revs? default config menu but I couldn?t move to the other menus.
>
> The only possible solution has been to get hold of a PC, install USB drivers and set RTS low.
>
> Question: is there any alternative power-up sequence to enter a sort of safe mode allowing me to change configuration ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> P.S.: all firmware revisions are the latest
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Aug  8 15:00:59 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:00:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
Message-ID: <D1EBAE0A.118CD%edauer@law.du.edu>

The ARRL premium is relatively steep.  But that's probably because it has a $50 deductible and, according to some of the experiences posted on this thread, covers losses that may not qualify as covered "occurrences" under some homeowners' policies.  I just checked my own "scheduled personal property" endorsement.  The cost is on average $0.53 per hundred per year, way less than half of the ARRL premium, varying with the type of property insured.  And because it's an endorsement to a combined home and auto policy, it will cover losses no matter where they happen.   But the deductible is $500 per occurrence and I can't say that the endorsement would cover losses attributable to operator errors (e.g. frying a rig with a reversed polarity power connection.)   Since classically insurance is a way of covering large losses rather than small ones, for me the difference in deductible isn't worth a double or triple premium; but that's an individual preference.

Ted, KN1CBR

Edward A. Dauer
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver



Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:04:57 -0700
From: "Richard W. Solomon" <w1ksz at earthlink.net<mailto:w1ksz at earthlink.net>>
To: "'Elecraft List'" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
Message-ID: <000f01d0d18f$64e2ad50$2ea807f0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

All I found was the rates, $1.40 per $100. Seems a tad steep to me.

73, Dick, W1KSZ



Edward A. Dauer
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug  8 15:20:42 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <D1EBAE0A.118CD%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D1EBAE0A.118CD%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <55C6568A.6010308@blomand.net>

Having had a recent loss of radio equipment along with other items, I 
would comment,  the insurance company strongly and aggressively pushed 
for a settlement under the loss definition of "power surge".   In this 
case they would only pay depreciated value for the equipment less the 
deductible  which was $1000.

While my loss was clearly due to a lightning strike, and I had service 
reports from 3 different servicing companies all stating "lightning 
damage" as the cause of loss or damage.   In this case the insurance 
company is required to pay replacement cost, less the deductible.

The insurance company kept trying to change the description of loss from 
"lightning damage" to "power surge" to lessen their liability.    I held 
my ground, provided them multiple times the copies of service reports 
stating in all cases "lightning damage". Final settlement was a bit over 
$12,000.

Yes equipment insurance is most valuable and worthwhile in all aspects.  
It is also very important to have available a list of model numbers, 
serial numbers, date of acquisition and price paid. Without this the 
insurance company will challenge ever item and every number.  Our job is 
to "prove it" while there job is to "deny it".  My EXCEL spreadsheet 
proved to be most valuable along with digital photographs.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/8/2015 2:00 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> The ARRL premium is relatively steep.  But that's probably because it has a $50 deductible and, according to some of the experiences posted on this thread, covers losses that may not qualify as covered "occurrences" under some homeowners' policies.  I just checked my own "scheduled personal property" endorsement.  The cost is on average $0.53 per hundred per year, way less than half of the ARRL premium, varying with the type of property insured.  And because it's an endorsement to a combined home and auto policy, it will cover losses no matter where they happen.   But the deductible is $500 per occurrence and I can't say that the endorsement would cover losses attributable to operator errors (e.g. frying a rig with a reversed polarity power connection.)   Since classically insurance is a way of covering large losses rather than small ones, for me the difference in deductible isn't worth a double or triple premium; but that's an individual preference.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
> Edward A. Dauer
> Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
> University of Denver
>
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 21:04:57 -0700
> From: "Richard W. Solomon" <w1ksz at earthlink.net<mailto:w1ksz at earthlink.net>>
> To: "'Elecraft List'" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
> Message-ID: <000f01d0d18f$64e2ad50$2ea807f0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> All I found was the rates, $1.40 per $100. Seems a tad steep to me.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
>
> Edward A. Dauer
> Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
> University of Denver
>
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 15:23:05 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:23:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4> <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C65719.1070807@gmail.com>

We save the configuration file at the factory.  We recommend that you 
save the configuration file using K3 Utility upon receipt of the radio, 
and after installing options, loading memories, etc..

With that saved, if you have to do a "master reset" you do an EEINIT and 
then load your saved configuration.

73,

Lyle KK7P


> In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read 
> the manual several times.   These discussions then raise the question, 
> "is there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to factory default 
> values?


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  8 15:29:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S "Master Reset"
In-Reply-To: <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4> <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C65895.90204@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

It is in the manual - "Parameter Initialization".  That is often 
referred to as EE INIT.
It is not recommended unless you have access to a configuration file 
that was saved when the K3 (K3S) was operating normally - EE INIT sets 
all configuration and menu settings to default, and at least the 
configuration items need to be re-entered.

When you get your new K3S, one of the first things to do is to Save the 
Configuration - that can be easily and quickly accomplished using K3 
Utility.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/8/2015 2:54 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read 
> the manual several times.   These discussions then raise the question, 
> "is there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to factory default 
> values?   I may have overlooked this.   However the product not having 
> a Master Reset I view is a major shortcoming of the product.
>
> If its there, I'd specifically like to know more.
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug  8 15:29:55 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Matthew Pitts via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:29:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
In-Reply-To: <55C289D8.3080102@subich.com>
References: <55C289D8.3080102@subich.com>
Message-ID: <193151570.1255580.1439062195990.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Joe,
Quite likely true, but you can still use the older drivers that support the counterfeit chips on Windows 10; Apple has apparently locked out that option with the newest version of Mac OS X from what I have been reading elsewhere.
Matthew PittsN8OHU


      From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 6:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10
   


> I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.

If you have a legitimate Prolific device, check Windows Update.

First thing to do is open Windows Device Manager, identify the
USB to serial adapter, open the detail of that device, uninstall
the device/driver, disconnect the device, perform a cold boot
(In Windows 10, Right-click Power and select Restart) then
reconnect the device and allow Windows Update to load the newest
driver.

If Windows Update fails to find/load a driver, your device is not
using genuine Prolific hardware.

73,

? ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-08-05 5:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:
> HI
>
> I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT.
> I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.? Thanks 73'
>
>
> Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 15:32:24 2015
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4> <55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55C65948.90304@gmail.com>

Having read several of your posts, I find it unfortunate for you that 
you don't even have your K3S yet and you seem to have identified several 
major shortcomings. Fortunately, I'm sure there will be hundreds of 
opportunities to sell it should you find it is not up to your standards.

The "master reset" feature is on page 72 of the manual. Elecraft calls 
it "parameter initialization."

I sincerely hope you find the K3S more acceptable after you receive it 
than you have while you've waited.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/8/15 2:54 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read 
> the manual several times.   These discussions then raise the question, 
> "is there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to factory default 
> values?   I may have overlooked this.   However the product not having 
> a Master Reset I view is a major shortcoming of the product.
>
> If its there, I'd specifically like to know more.
>
> 73 Bob, K4TAX
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug  8 15:37:10 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <55C65719.1070807@gmail.com>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
	<55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net> <55C65719.1070807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C65A66.8060703@blomand.net>

Thanks Lyle.   I do have the K3Utility on the computer and will do just 
that..........first thing.

As I stated to another person letting me know of the procedure as listed 
in the manual,  coming from other brands of radios that do offer a 
"Master Reset" I am finding the nomenclature and language, if you will, 
of the K3S is quite different.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/8/2015 2:23 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> We save the configuration file at the factory.  We recommend that you 
> save the configuration file using K3 Utility upon receipt of the 
> radio, and after installing options, loading memories, etc..
>
> With that saved, if you have to do a "master reset" you do an EEINIT 
> and then load your saved configuration.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
>
>> In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read 
>> the manual several times.   These discussions then raise the 
>> question, "is there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to 
>> factory default values?
>
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From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Sat Aug  8 15:45:43 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 21:45:43 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <55C649F4.2040606@gmail.com>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4> <55C649F4.2040606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e39101d0d212$d04f5a10$70ee0e30$@thezollingers.org>

Thanks Lyle, 
I tried the beta and it addresses exactly the issue I experienced; tried it out, works fine :-)

For reference in case others experienced the same:
* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe" mode (the default) which disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or "UNSAFE". Exit the menu and turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

Marco HB9CAT

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle Johnson [mailto:kk7p4dsp at gmail.com] 
Sent: sabato, 8. agosto 2015 20:27
To: hb9cat at thezollingers.org; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT

This problem is fixed in the latest beta firmware for the K3/K3S. Until then, it is best to set PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF before taking the K3/K3S to a location without USB connectivity.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 8/8/15 10:31 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> I configured my K3s to use DTR to key CW, (CONFIG:PTT-KEY to ?Off-RTS?) and configured my logging program (Dxlog.net) accordingly; the COM port I?m using is the K3s virtual serial related to the USB connection. Everything worked fine.
>
> Later on I unplugged the K3s to use it in another location, where I?ve just connected power and antenna (no USB); right after powering it up it went to TX, USB RTS was probably in an undefined state being interpreted as high so it keyed CW.
> I knew that might be the problem so I tried to access the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu: there was no way to get there while the K3s was stuck in TX, as usual I got to the the ?FW Revs? default config menu but I couldn?t move to the other menus.
>
> The only possible solution has been to get hold of a PC, install USB drivers and set RTS low.
>
> Question: is there any alternative power-up sequence to enter a sort of safe mode allowing me to change configuration ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> P.S.: all firmware revisions are the latest 
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From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Sat Aug  8 15:48:29 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 21:48:29 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
Message-ID: <1fd1f01d0d213$330f59c0$992e0d40$@thezollingers.org>

Thanks Lyle,

I tried the beta and it addresses exactly the issue I experienced; tried it
out, works fine :-)

 

For reference in case others experienced the same:

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT
and KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial
setup of the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous
activation of the transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on
after the K3S, or if the USB cable is not connected. There is now a "Safe"
mode (the default) which disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a
command via USB, such as a read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe
mode on/off, go into CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select "USB SAFE" or
"UNSAFE". Exit the menu and turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use
PTT-KEY via USB but never send commands may require "UNSAFE" mode. In this
case, unwanted transmit can be avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

 

Marco HB9CAT

 


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Aug  8 15:48:43 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 12:48:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity modes
In-Reply-To: <r422Ps-1075i-8814860AA4024C97AC107AAE3AA97B73@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-8814860AA4024C97AC107AAE3AA97B73@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <55C65D1B.1020602@foothill.net>

On 8/8/2015 6:23 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

> The other interesting diversity mode I know of is the way the costal
> commercial communication radio stations worked in the 1930's and later.
> They were using CW to send messages across the oceans. Each station
> transmitted on 3 separate bands. The receivers listened to all 3 bands
> and routed the "best" signal to the operator. (I don't know how they
> determined the best signal using 1930s technology.) Obviously a two
> channel version could be assembled using a K3 with a sub-receiver.

Well, at least in 56-57, it wasn't exactly diversity [I worked at a 
coastal marine station for 11 months during that period when I was a HS 
senior].  Coast stations [three letter calls] were assigned specific 
ITU-defined channels [freqs] in each of the maritime bands, both MF and 
HF.  Everyone could use 500 Kcs.

A coast station would transmit its "wheel" on all of its assigned HF 
frequencies, except those for which there was no propagation, such as 22 
Mcs at night.  The wheel might have comprised:

VVV VVV VVV DE KOK KOK KOK QTC <list of ships for which KOK was holding 
traffic> QSX <list of MF/HF maritime bands on which KOK was standing 
watch for calls> AR.

The QSX was followed by the band designators only, such as "4 6 8 12", 
the ship operator had a printed directory of the assigned frequencies in 
each band.  HF channels were full-duplex, coast station on its assigned 
frequency, ship on the second frequency in that band paired with the 
coast station.

When the operator afloat opened his watch, he would start the log and 
listen for his company's station wheel.  If his call was in the list, he 
called the station, the traffic was passed, his call was removed from 
the wheel [usually paper tape] and the wheel continued.  In most [but 
not all] cases, the operators on the ships worked for the same companies 
that owned the various coast stations.

So, while multiple frequencies were involved in this process, the ship 
was almost always on only one, so it wasn't really diversity reception 
in the technical sense.  500 Kc [600 meters, the "Holy Frequency"] was a 
huge, simplex, world-wide party-line.
>
> A system where you can automatically determine which receiver has the
> better signal, could be useful for RTTY. Measuring the difference in
> signal strength of the mark and space signals compared with the signal
> strength half way between them might be a useful technique.

In the mid-60's [while in the US military in SE Asia], we used real 
diversity on multi-channel troposcatter systems.  The AN/MRC-98 was an 
example.  In the 450-550 MHz range, 2-10 KW transmitters to two 9.1 
meter dishes, each with two cross-polarized feed horns.  4 receivers, 2 
each on each of the two frequencies with phase locked local oscillators 
for pair.  60 good quality telephone channels over 400-500 km paths. 
Modulation was FM, the combiner watched the SNR from each RX [which 
varied all over the place], and added the basebands together using all 
analog circuitry for best output SNR.  The two PA's were Eimac 
klystrons, about 1.6 meters long.  Space, polarization, and frequency 
diversity.

It was somewhat mesmerizing to sit in in front of the receiver bank and 
watch the SNR on the single receivers fluctuating wildly while the SNR 
on the baseband would drift very slowly up and down in very small 
increments.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
- www.cqp.org



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug  8 15:55:13 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power On / PTT
In-Reply-To: <55C65948.90304@gmail.com>
References: <1439055095609.82527.26374@webmail4>
	<55C6505B.4020800@blomand.net> <55C65948.90304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C65EA1.5020500@blomand.net>

Part of the "short comings" is largely from the fact I have used radios 
from the major 4 companies for many years having been licensed for over 
50 years.  Each brand and model has or have their own uniqueness.   I 
don't want to come across in any form as negative or critical of the 
Elecraft product.  After all, I've spent nearly $4K for a new radio.  I 
view this as a wee bit more than "lunch money", although if I wanted or 
needed other options or configurations, I would have acquired such.

And yes, if I should find issues, be assured they will be investigated 
and documented and reported accordingly. Professionally, that's what 
I've done in years past with regard to software and firmware based 
systems.  At the same time, I'm not interested in nit picking the 
product.  I will take it for what it is and not what I'd like it to be.  
There is a significance difference.

One of my favorite sayings:  "when one points the finger at someone or 
something, they best look down for there's three fingers pointing back 
at the more likely cause".    I'll accept that on face value.

73 Bob, K4TAX

On 8/8/2015 2:32 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> Having read several of your posts, I find it unfortunate for you that 
> you don't even have your K3S yet and you seem to have identified 
> several major shortcomings. Fortunately, I'm sure there will be 
> hundreds of opportunities to sell it should you find it is not up to 
> your standards.
>
> The "master reset" feature is on page 72 of the manual. Elecraft calls 
> it "parameter initialization."
>
> I sincerely hope you find the K3S more acceptable after you receive it 
> than you have while you've waited.
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 8/8/15 2:54 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>> In this regard and while waiting on my new K3S to arrive,  I've read 
>> the manual several times.   These discussions then raise the 
>> question, "is there no Master Reset" that returns the radio to 
>> factory default values?   I may have overlooked this.   However the 
>> product not having a Master Reset I view is a major shortcoming of 
>> the product.
>>
>> If its there, I'd specifically like to know more.
>>
>> 73 Bob, K4TAX
>>
>
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From rattray at accesscomm.ca  Sat Aug  8 15:57:52 2015
From: rattray at accesscomm.ca (Bruce Rattray)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:57:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] digital modes
Message-ID: <000001d0d214$82ce2030$886a6090$@accesscomm.ca>

Can anyone point me to information telling me how to hook my K2 up for
digital modes please?  I am interested in RTTY and PSK31 mainly.  I have the
SSB module in my K2.  Thank you very much.  73 Bruce ve5rc


From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug  8 16:12:29 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:12:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <55C64AF1.2080508@gmail.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<55C605DC.7050004@subich.com> <55C64AF1.2080508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C662AD.1070106@subich.com>


On 8/8/2015 2:31 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> In addition to Joe's excellent advice, you may need to set the Tx output
> level for the soundcard in DM780 to a higher-than-default level.  In the
> DM780 version I have on my computer, I have the Transmit Level sliders
> for Master and Wave both set to about 70.

Not yo pick on Lyle ... only to piggyback on the thread ... given some
of the gross misinformation about sound cards and Windows around these
days, when you set up your sound card, right click on the "microphone"
and/or "Speaker" sliders in the Windows Sound control panel and select
"dB" for the scale.  Once you do that, the best starting points are
0.0 dB for *inputs* (mic and/or line) and -3.0 dB for *outputs*
(speaker or headphones).  Those levels reflect the driver settings and
tend to be independent of sound card brand.

At 0.0 dB for the input, the sound card is not providing further gain
for the input signal which minimizes the chances of overflowing the
ADC input.  Similarly, most sound cards are much "cleaner" at 3 dB or
more below maximum output (that's typically 80 to 83 percent).  If
the rig has sufficient gain, I tend to prefer -6.- dB (67%) since some
of the "inexpensive" USB powered sound cards lack proper regulation and
bypassing which makes them very dirty at maximum levels.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



>
> With that, my K3 (S) LINE (IN) gain is set to 23 for 4-5 bars of ALC
> using PSK31.
>
> YMMV,
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
> On 8/8/15 6:36 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> > Any other ideas??
>>
>> Are you using MODE=DATA and data sub-mode=DATA_A?
>>
>> > MIC SEL was set to Line In I changed it to FP
>> >
>> > MIC+LIN was set to NA and I set it ON and the MIC level is set to 60.
>>
>> Set MIC+LIN back to OFF, set Mic SEL back to Line In, place DM780 in
>> PSK31 transmit and adjust the Mic Gain (actually Line Gain in DATA_A)
>> for four bars of ALC with the fifth just flickering then adjust PWR Out
>> for no more than 50W.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Aug  8 16:35:14 2015
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:35:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] digital modes
Message-ID: <uofwyfoqg5atcv2hk73rni78.1439066114011@email.android.com>


    
Bruce,Check out "K2 and PSK31 Q&A" and "PSK31 with the K2" here:
www.elecraft.com/Apps/application_notes.htm#PSK31
Top left of page
HTHHarlan?NC3C?

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-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Rattray <rattray at accesscomm.ca> 
Date: 08/08/2015  3:57 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] digital modes 

Can anyone point me to information telling me how to hook my K2 up for
digital modes please?? I am interested in RTTY and PSK31 mainly.? I have the
SSB module in my K2.? Thank you very much.? 73 Bruce ve5rc

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From larry at rn.org  Sat Aug  8 16:39:49 2015
From: larry at rn.org (Larry Snyder)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:39:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HRD and K3
In-Reply-To: <hf7csat2vkdpi2ockkj5t0ipctlc91dovn@4ax.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<hf7csat2vkdpi2ockkj5t0ipctlc91dovn@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <055401d0d21a$604f3250$20ed96f0$@rn.org>

Thank you for your reply Matt.

I changed the MIC to the back mono mic input and the HRD works fine.

Now getting back to the Line In

On the radio in the middle of the right side of the display I see TX DATA

I set the DATA mode to DATA A

I transmit and adjusted the MIC GAIN and see the DATA level increase on the
LCD

And bingo, it works just fine.

Thank you so very much!!

Sincerely

Larry

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-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:28 AM
To: larry at rn.org
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HRD and K3

<snip>
>
>The K3 goes into transmit but there is no power coming out of the radio.
>
Problem areas to look for -

1. The K3 mode should be TX DATA (seen on the graphic), and its data mode
should be DATA A.  DATA A is used to interface external sound to the K3
through line in and out jacks.

2. Line in and out need to go to the sound unit you intend to use on the PC.
MIC SEL at the K3 should be set to Line In.

3. HRD needs to be configured to use the sound unit above.

Once you've juggled these around to get *some power* out of the K3 on TX,
then you should set the K3's LIne In gain (via the MIC control while in TX
to a reasonable level).  For the K3, use the ALC metering to set 4-5 bars of
ALC indicated.  This is the correct drive level to use.

You may need to adjust both the K3's Line In gain AND the sound unit's
Playback level to get a happy medium.  Once you've got it, write it down in
case something gets moved around.

73,
matt
W6NIA
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein



From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sat Aug  8 16:42:20 2015
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:42:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TXMonitor
Message-ID: <onxynjud1pcvluccyfscdw4c.1439066540804@email.android.com>


    

Ok. Got mine in the mail and able to work with it today.?Downloaded and installed P3 firmware... no problem.?Connected HF sensor...FBConnected UHF/VHF sensor. Bad news. The P3 display looks like the rig transmit is cyclic at about 1 sec intervals. ?Screen goes front normal receive to modulation and back every second or so. Shut off mod indication and power indication cycles blank (receive mode) to 0.0 watts. Bad sensor or improper setup?
Harlan?NC3C?

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Aug  8 16:50:29 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 12:50:29 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
Message-ID: <201508082050.t78KoTOj024239@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Lane,

For my needs I only installed just the 2.8-KHz filter in my KRX3 in 
FL2 position to match the 2.8-KHz filter in the main-Rx.  Since 
bandwidth is set by the DSP and I do very little HF CW, so this is 
sufficient for my use of diversity mode.

I have the 13-KHz in FL1 (for FM/AM), 2.8-KHz in FL2 (for CW/SSB), 
and 400-Hz in FL4 (for CW) installed in the main-Rx.

I left FL3 position open in both Rx because I chose that when running 
diversity reception on digital modes (DATA A, USB) where signals are 
output on the 1st IF connectors and bypasses the roofing filters (and 
2nd-IF/DSP).  I found that having FL2 selected when I run everything 
thru my LP-Pan caused a signal "suck-out" near zero frequency, and 
was cured by selecting an open filter position.  MAP65 uses the 
LP-Pan, whereas WSJT10/JT65 uses the normal LINE-OUT from the DSP 
section.  I would not worry about any of this for your application.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Aug  8 17:14:41 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:14:41 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
Message-ID: <201508082114.t78LEfBl022171@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Rich,

I guess I can understand why you would think this (excerp below), but 
diversity is as useful for digital as voice/CW.  The difference it 
you don't copy digital with your ears - you see it on your monitor.

Probably most digital sw do not implement diversity reception but a 
couple do:  MAP65 implements dual-polarity reception using diversity 
mode and very effectively resolves the correct polarity of the 
received signal while peaking the signal to match (one other program 
called Linrad can do this).

Benefit of diversity reception is not limited to one 
bandwidth.  MAP65 uses 90-KHz!  Digital modes can do this because the 
entire RF spectrum (limited by the roofing filter) is digitized by 
the DSP in a SDR.  DSP then applies digital bandwidth filters to 
separate signals.  In fact that is how the K3 and K3S do it.  But 
then later processing demodulates the mode desired (CW, SSB, AM, FM, 
DATA).  I don't think K3 firmware has implemented diversity Rx for 
digital modes, but it could be done (if wanted). More likely it would 
be accomplished by special sw in an external computer.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters

----snip
Diversity mode is very useful in CW. It is not useful in digital modes
(unless someone can write software to emulate what the human brain does
with the inputs from two ears). I don't know how useful it would turn
out to be in wider bandwidth modes like SSB, AM and FM - never tried.
----snip
73,
Rich VE3KI




73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  8 17:15:31 2015
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:15:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1439068531435-7606108.post@n2.nabble.com>

My experience with Ham insurance is that your Homeowners policy will cover
you for all damages to your equipment provided the incident occurs when
operating from home.  I collected $8,000.00 on a lightning strike several
years ago, all on my homeowners policy and the claim was settled quickly and
painlessly by USAA. I looked at the ARRL insurance policy and rates, and
thought the rates absurd and the coverage no better for someone who does not
operate mobile or portable than Homeowners.  Most Hams should be comfortable
with their Homeowners coverage, and there is no additional charge for ham
equipment. I would not waste money on an expensive ARRL ham insurance
policy; so much for "non-profits" by the way. 



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From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sat Aug  8 17:20:06 2015
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 14:20:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>

My experience with Ham insurance is that your Homeowners policy will cover
you for all damages to your equipment provided the incident occurs when
operating from home.  I collected $8,000.00 on a lightning strike several
years ago, all on my homeowners policy and the claim was settled quickly and
painlessly by USAA. I looked at the ARRL insurance policy and rates, and
thought the rates absurd and the coverage no better for someone who does not
operate mobile or portable than Homeowners.  Most Hams should be comfortable
with their Homeowners coverage, and there is no additional charge for ham
equipment. I would not waste money on an expensive ARRL ham insurance
policy; so much for "non-profits" by the way. 



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From ac9gkx at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 17:43:59 2015
From: ac9gkx at gmail.com (Steven Stuckey)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 17:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
	<1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>

My homeowners insurance stated "The ARRL insurance is a really good deal.
If you have a claim on your ham radio equipment it would be against your
policy and rates may be affected. While the ARRL insurance would not be
affected by more than one claim. We strongly suggest you buy the ARRL
insurance." Which I have done. Did you know the ARRL insurance (last
checked 2014 before the new company took over) will cover everything and
anything related to ham radio? You can insure coax, antennas, towers,
connectors, rigs, computers, all accessories even concrete, radials and
grounding. So if you want to insure the whole thing you can. If you get hit
by lightening and it ruins your tower, antenna, concrete, grounding, rig,
computer and anything else you only pay $50 per incident of not repairable.
Even if it was $50 per item that is still a large savings. I believe it is
well worth it. My 2 cents worth.
?73?

Steven Stuckey - AC9GK - Indiana

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug  8 17:56:43 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 17:56:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard Issue - I wonder how many folks have had
	buyers
In-Reply-To: <38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
References: <EE0CD796-312D-417F-8C33-ABDCEDA2CCFB@gmail.com>
	<55C3F0E7.8040704@elecraft.com>
	<37898051-45AA-489B-BA2F-EE07ACE30BB7@gmail.com>
	<55C3F749.3090706@elecraft.com>
	<439C4041-E156-44B4-8FCC-D39F6D276722@gmail.com>
	<55C50486.6080101@elecraft.com>
	<4B8A4519-8473-4E55-AD3A-D5CEB08C09D8@gmail.com>
	<55C52E19.8040601@elecraft.com>
	<38F5F511-417C-4216-B1F9-23DA2A30FBD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e701d0d225$1e979d60$5bc6d820$@carolinaheli.com>

Paul, 
  Will this be fixed so that operators can run full resolution with an
external monitor while running high speed CW via a keyboard connected to the
P3 and not be affected?
Can it be fixed with firmware or will it require different hardware?

I'm close to ordering my rig and don't want to be bitten by this.

Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore / AE4PB

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Veeneman [mailto:mhvnmn at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Paul Saffren
Cc: Jerry Moore; elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: Keyboard Issue - [Elecraft] I wonder how many folks have had
buyers

Hah!  That did it, Paul.  Now I'm not suffering character loss, even the
double "l" in hello gets sent every time I've tried it.  The quick brown fox
is happy, too.

Oddly, in the several times I've typed the typical quick brown fox, I
haven't seen the data delay either.

What a difference!

It seems that you have revealed a way to avoid the data loss problem.  Thank
you very much. For the first time I feel confident enough to use the
K3/P3/SVGA keyboard in live CW QSOs.
- 
Marc   W8SDG

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Marc,
> 
> Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution setting
(SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  My guess that will help.   At 1920x1024 the SVGA
runs a little slower (more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the
monitor, there is no reason to have it at the highest resolution.
> 
> -Paul
> 
> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
> Project Manager
> Elecraft Inc.
> 831-763-4211 x122
> www.elecraft.com
> 
> On 8/7/2015 2:09 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Paul Saffren <pauls at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Marc,
>>> 
>>> I was reading Jer's recent post, "Executive Summary",   If you have that
monitor connected to the P3/SVGA, press Ctrl-Alt-S on the keyboard and tell
me what the TRANSMIT MODE is set to.
>> VOX
>> 
>> 
>>> Also list what the Transmit Timeout is.
>> 3000
>> 
>> 
>>> Next, on the P3, enter the SVGA menu, scroll to SVGA res, and tell me
what the resolution is set to for the SVGA monitor.
>> 1920 x 1080
>> 
>>> Finally, in Jer's post it says you are sending at 60 WPM CW, but the K3
only goes to 50 WPM.   What is the K3 software version?
>> 05.29
>> 
>> -
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>>> -Paul
>>> 
>>> Paul Saffren - N6HZ
>>> Project Manager
>>> Elecraft Inc.
>>> 831-763-4211 x122
>>> www.elecraft.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/2015 6:48 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote:
>>>> That's a relief.  C is good.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I feel more comfortable, Paul.  And I have some insight into your
life, too.  :-)
>>>> 
> 



From n5ge at n5ge.com  Sat Aug  8 18:08:11 2015
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNuR95iimMPGNL8aKvoKvmyfFaO1YkQGFKNp=gAX_e3QRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C5FB42.2060207@subich.com>
	<CAGchGNuR95iimMPGNL8aKvoKvmyfFaO1YkQGFKNp=gAX_e3QRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p8vcsalmfvogrenp7b7r5bpq6t1g725rh1@4ax.com>

I suspect Joe, like me will not part with his 200Hz filters, so he
used the one(s) in his old K3 ;-)



On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:46:46 -0500, you wrote:

>Joe - How did you get the 200Hz filters for the K3S? I didn't see those as
>options anymore, but wished they were.
>
>On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400,
>>> and had the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and
>>> (2) 400?s. So I have the following questions.
>>>
>> >
>> > How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>>
>> My guess is that the filters would be installed in the first two or
>> three slots as they were in my original factory built K3.
>>
>> > If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such
>> > (O = open)
>> > Slot      1     2      3       4       5
>> > Main     FM    2.8     O      400      O
>> > Sub       O    2.8     O      400      O
>>
>> That is the way mine are done - the Sub RX has a second FM filter
>> (I wanted the ability to use wide audio for SWLing with an Aux
>> antenna) and the main TX has a 1500 Hz filter in slot 3 which I
>> do not use and the 200 Hz filter in slot 5.
>>
>> If I were to do it again, there would be no changes except to replace
>> the 1500 Hz filter with a 1800 or possibly a 2100 (that is my typical
>> SSB bandwidth).  The FM filter it just fine for AM - both TX and RX.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/2015 12:59 AM, Lane wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a K3 w/o a sub-receiver and continue to enjoy learning about the
>>> hobby, and because of that, I?d like to start learning about all the
>>> things
>>> I can do w/ a sub-receiver. So I?ve ordered the new K3S-F. Seeing as I
>>> have
>>> several weeks to rethink my order before it ships, I?d like to better
>>> understand the sub and filters. I also hear the sub is a pain to remove
>>> and
>>> wanted to get my filters right initially if possible.
>>>
>>> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400, and
>>> had
>>> the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and (2) 400?s. So
>>> I have the following questions.
>>>
>>> How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>>>
>>> If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such (O = open)
>>> Slot      1       2       3       4       5
>>> Main    FM   2.8     O      400    O
>>> Sub       O    2.8     O      400    O
>>>
>>> By doing that, I leave the last slot open for 200Hz filters if they come
>>> back, and slot 3 for something between 2.1 and above 400 if I can find a
>>> good reason to fill them.
>>>
>>> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two
>>> different
>>> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it?s not
>>> something I?d likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter. So I
>>> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could have
>>> that
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in knowing how you guys did it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug  8 18:09:56 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:09:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub-Rx Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNuR95iimMPGNL8aKvoKvmyfFaO1YkQGFKNp=gAX_e3QRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNu8XS-eGJj-w7Wj4tOkU4YyLqpoRLki07d+GY82vMOsPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55C5FB42.2060207@subich.com>
	<CAGchGNuR95iimMPGNL8aKvoKvmyfFaO1YkQGFKNp=gAX_e3QRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, do tell,  I want one in the future. 

On August 8, 2015 1:46:46 PM EDT, Lane <software.research.development at gmail.com> wrote:
>Joe - How did you get the 200Hz filters for the K3S? I didn't see those
>as
>options anymore, but wished they were.
>
>On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400,
>>> and had the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and
>>> (2) 400?s. So I have the following questions.
>>>
>> >
>> > How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>>
>> My guess is that the filters would be installed in the first two or
>> three slots as they were in my original factory built K3.
>>
>> > If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such
>> > (O = open)
>> > Slot      1     2      3       4       5
>> > Main     FM    2.8     O      400      O
>> > Sub       O    2.8     O      400      O
>>
>> That is the way mine are done - the Sub RX has a second FM filter
>> (I wanted the ability to use wide audio for SWLing with an Aux
>> antenna) and the main TX has a 1500 Hz filter in slot 3 which I
>> do not use and the 200 Hz filter in slot 5.
>>
>> If I were to do it again, there would be no changes except to replace
>> the 1500 Hz filter with a 1800 or possibly a 2100 (that is my typical
>> SSB bandwidth).  The FM filter it just fine for AM - both TX and RX.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/8/2015 12:59 AM, Lane wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a K3 w/o a sub-receiver and continue to enjoy learning about
>the
>>> hobby, and because of that, I?d like to start learning about all the
>>> things
>>> I can do w/ a sub-receiver. So I?ve ordered the new K3S-F. Seeing as
>I
>>> have
>>> several weeks to rethink my order before it ships, I?d like to
>better
>>> understand the sub and filters. I also hear the sub is a pain to
>remove
>>> and
>>> wanted to get my filters right initially if possible.
>>>
>>> When I assembled my K3, I ordered the filters as FM, 2.7, 1.8, 400,
>and
>>> had
>>> the last slot open. For the K3S, I have (1) FM, (2) 2.8, and (2)
>400?s. So
>>> I have the following questions.
>>>
>>> How will the filters be installed as a factory build?
>>>
>>> If I have a say so, would it make sense to install it as such (O =
>open)
>>> Slot      1       2       3       4       5
>>> Main    FM   2.8     O      400    O
>>> Sub       O    2.8     O      400    O
>>>
>>> By doing that, I leave the last slot open for 200Hz filters if they
>come
>>> back, and slot 3 for something between 2.1 and above 400 if I can
>find a
>>> good reason to fill them.
>>>
>>> My understanding of diversity reception is that I can receive two
>>> different
>>> frequencies and though used more for CW when working pile-ups, it?s
>not
>>> something I?d likely use for FM, hence the single FM roofing filter.
>So I
>>> was wondering about installing AM on the sub just so that I could
>have
>>> that
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested in knowing how you guys did it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From sabertsch at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 18:15:52 2015
From: sabertsch at gmail.com (Steven Bertsch)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  West Mountain Radio CLRspkr
In-Reply-To: <55C65D1B.1020602@foothill.net>
References: <r422Ps-1075i-8814860AA4024C97AC107AAE3AA97B73@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<55C65D1B.1020602@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <BE4DB213-52A6-4F4D-9913-838B0FF5B73A@gmail.com>

I use a West Mountain Radio CLRspkr with my K3. A friend is giving me his CLRspkr. Using a stereo Y-adapter, could I use both, one for the main receiver and one for the sub receiver? I know to set the CONFIG-SPKRS to 2.

Steve K6SAB


From ab7mp at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 18:26:57 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
Message-ID: <0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>

Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.  Using 
know good cables, only one channel has audio.  Anything special in the trs 
wiring for this?

Mark, ab7mp 


From ab7mp at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 18:38:44 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
Message-ID: <A1E9731DA9F145DC84D274F45A8648CC@domaina.local>

No sub installed.

m

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mark 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:26 PM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out 

Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.  Using 
know good cables, only one channel has audio.  Anything special in the trs 
wiring for this?

Mark, ab7mp 

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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 18:46:32 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:46:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
Message-ID: <55C686C8.2060607@gmail.com>

Normally, line out has a "fixed gain" (settable in a menu) with the left 
channel as the main receiver and right as the sub-receiver.

An alternative is to set it to reflect the phones jack.  You'll get both 
channels, but the gain will vary with the AF gain control.

See the K3/K3S manual for details.

73,

Lyle KK7P


> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug  8 18:56:09 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:56:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] West Mountain Radio CLRspkr
In-Reply-To: <BE4DB213-52A6-4F4D-9913-838B0FF5B73A@gmail.com>
References: <BE4DB213-52A6-4F4D-9913-838B0FF5B73A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1384181540.1410422.1439074569135.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes! Send one receiver to one speaker and one to the other. ?Check to see which ear hears which speaker. ?Same with headsets, but you get more separation. ?You can use it for split or for diversity.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
      From: Steven Bertsch <sabertsch at gmail.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:15 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] West Mountain Radio CLRspkr
   
I use a West Mountain Radio CLRspkr with my K3. A friend is giving me his CLRspkr. Using a stereo Y-adapter, could I use both, one for the main receiver and one for the sub receiver? I know to set the CONFIG-SPKRS to 2.

Steve K6SAB



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From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Sat Aug  8 19:01:44 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 17:01:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <A1E9731DA9F145DC84D274F45A8648CC@domaina.local>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
	<A1E9731DA9F145DC84D274F45A8648CC@domaina.local>
Message-ID: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046884263D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>

Hi Mark,
You might have to set SPKRS 2.
I don't know if the LINE OUT acts the same as the Headphones, but if SPRKS=1 and SPKR+PH is Yes, you get main audio in the left ear only.  Setting SPKRS 2 should clear that up.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade parts are works in progress.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:39 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
> 
> No sub installed.
> 
> m
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:26 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
> 
> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.
> Using know good cables, only one channel has audio.  Anything special
> in the trs wiring for this?
> 
> Mark, ab7mp
> 
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From ab7mp at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 19:05:42 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <55C686C8.2060607@gmail.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC> <55C686C8.2060607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBE30BDB74C64EABA8A52EA88F564679@domaina.local>

Thanks, Lyle and Hank.

Sounds like no fixed level for two channels with only one receiver (no sub 
here) - the term "stereo" threw me (can't think of a better word so no real 
complaint here)
When the book said "Normally" I thought it could be configured for a single 
receiver config to feed both channels (in a not Normal setup).  At least, I 
know it's working as designed.

Just finished the build yesterday and wanting to make sure everything is 
working.

(FWIW - hearing more stations than I did on the old, aging, noisy, Yaseu. 
Love what it's done for me so far!)

Tnx

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lyle Johnson
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:46 PM
To: Mark ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Normally, line out has a "fixed gain" (settable in a menu) with the left
channel as the main receiver and right as the sub-receiver.

An alternative is to set it to reflect the phones jack.  You'll get both
channels, but the gain will vary with the AF gain control.

See the K3/K3S manual for details.

73,

Lyle KK7P


> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.


From ab7mp at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 19:07:26 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:07:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046884263D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org><0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
	<A1E9731DA9F145DC84D274F45A8648CC@domaina.local>
	<31B0BCE89606784FB09EF0C6CF94794F046884263D@coeexch1.coe.montana.edu>
Message-ID: <6C7CDBC31CEF47C5A6F57CC3E33AA419@domaina.local>

Already set for SPKRS 2 (love that feature!)

Tnx

m

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cady, Fred
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:01 PM
To: Mark ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Hi Mark,
You might have to set SPKRS 2.
I don't know if the LINE OUT acts the same as the Headphones, but if SPRKS=1 
and SPKR+PH is Yes, you get main audio in the left ear only.  Setting SPKRS 
2 should clear that up.
Cheers and 73,
Fred KE7X

Author of:
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the summit"
"The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 - the K-Line Dream Station"
Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com
KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide
http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide

KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation
http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners

"The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters - Assembling the KX3-Line 
Station" available at www.lulu.com.

"The Elecraft K3S and P3"  and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book with K3S upgrade 
parts are works in progress.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:39 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
>
> No sub installed.
>
> m
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:26 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
>
> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.
> Using know good cables, only one channel has audio.  Anything special
> in the trs wiring for this?
>
> Mark, ab7mp
>
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From ab7mp at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 19:11:54 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Line out
In-Reply-To: <31028A3B-7FFB-4BC5-9A6D-D73726A20BF5@widomaker.com>
References: <230201d0d1d7$d4dad770$7e908650$@rn.org>
	<0857B1A635654A4B864C5A2B003BF904@ITC>
	<31028A3B-7FFB-4BC5-9A6D-D73726A20BF5@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <9F2BD99F0EE54A019EEF6237F41CB486@domaina.local>

Just finished the build and haven't configured for the USB codec yet - 
starting with the familiar methods 1st then transitioning to the more 
advanced in an attempt to get on the air with the new rig as quickly as 
possible.  Had plans on going USB and comparing that to analog - just wanted 
to see both bar graphs jumping!

Probably will start working on the USB option tonight or tomorrow.

Tnx

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nr4c
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 3:40 PM
To: Mark
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Line out

Do you have the KRX3 Sub receiver installed?

There isn't much on the other channel unless you do.

And why would you use this instead of the USB audio CODEC?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 8, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Mark <ab7mp at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> Stumped for now - I'm not getting stereo out of the line out jack.  Using 
> know good cables, only one channel has audio.  Anything special in the trs 
> wiring for this?
>
> Mark, ab7mp
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From w5jv at hotmail.com  Sat Aug  8 19:18:55 2015
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:18:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a K1 w/80 & 15 meters
Message-ID: <COL129-W8834BDFC293EC883D3035391720@phx.gbl>

I'm looking for a nice K1 set up for 80 & 15 meters, preferably with the KAT-1 antenna tuner and hopefully post-2010.  
Thanks,
Doug W5JV



 

 		 	   		  

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  8 19:26:45 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:26:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
	<1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C69035.8070507@sbcglobal.net>

You make a good point, about homeowners' insurance.

A couple of years ago, we had a hot water leak in the wall between the 
kitchen and the bathroom.

Our homeowners' insurance covered not only a complete kitchen and 
bathroom remodel, but also the hotel room and meals when we were 
displaced from the house.
It cost the company in the realm of $35,000, and I didn't notice the 
rate increasing the following year.
If it did, it was probably a small increase due to the increased value 
of the house and property.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 8/8/2015 2:43 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote:
> My homeowners insurance stated "The ARRL insurance is a really good deal.
> If you have a claim on your ham radio equipment it would be against your
> policy and rates may be affected. While the ARRL insurance would not be
> affected by more than one claim. We strongly suggest you buy the ARRL
> insurance." Which I have done. Did you know the ARRL insurance (last
> checked 2014 before the new company took over) will cover everything and
> anything related to ham radio? You can insure coax, antennas, towers,
> connectors, rigs, computers, all accessories even concrete, radials and
> grounding. So if you want to insure the whole thing you can. If you get hit
> by lightening and it ruins your tower, antenna, concrete, grounding, rig,
> computer and anything else you only pay $50 per incident of not repairable.
> Even if it was $50 per item that is still a large savings. I believe it is
> well worth it. My 2 cents worth.
> ?73?
>
> Steven Stuckey - AC9GK - Indiana
>


From jvandrey at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 20:35:09 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with TX Monitor up and running
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTxZ7dZsyWztnGptzTW2NSG1tEcF6brHvVxaaDj3_TZ0qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Installed the TX monitor as I was building the new P3 adapter.  Easy as
others have indicted.  After loading all the firmware from the production
side of the Elecraft web site to test initial functionality, I loaded the
Beta code to enable the TX Monitor features.  Everything went well ...
having the real time SWR and power output in addition to the modulation
envelope is a very nice addition to the capabilities of the K Line.

Great Job Elecraft

73s

Jobst
AC0LP

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Aug  8 20:40:08 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
	<1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1439080808.8733.27.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

I tend to agree with Steve here...  My insurance agent said almost the
same thing...  Don't call in your home owners unless you really need
too...

Also, given that I believe the ARRL insurance seems to cover stupidity,
(you spill water in your rig it pays off), the fee is not all that
bad.  

I had a rider on my home owners policy for a rather expensive telescope
I once owned a few decades ago, and the cost was about the same, it was
also a stupidity coverage type of policy.  So given that the policy just
pays off for almost anything, I would expect it to be higher than
normal.  I will be getting ARRL insurance for my rig.

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 17:43 -0400, Steven Stuckey wrote:
> My homeowners insurance stated "The ARRL insurance is a really good deal.
> If you have a claim on your ham radio equipment it would be against your
> policy and rates may be affected. While the ARRL insurance would not be
> affected by more than one claim. We strongly suggest you buy the ARRL
> insurance." Which I have done. Did you know the ARRL insurance (last
> checked 2014 before the new company took over) will cover everything and
> anything related to ham radio? You can insure coax, antennas, towers,
> connectors, rigs, computers, all accessories even concrete, radials and
> grounding. So if you want to insure the whole thing you can. If you get hit
> by lightening and it ruins your tower, antenna, concrete, grounding, rig,
> computer and anything else you only pay $50 per incident of not repairable.
> Even if it was $50 per item that is still a large savings. I believe it is
> well worth it. My 2 cents worth.
> ?73?
> 
> Steven Stuckey - AC9GK - Indiana
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From phystad at mac.com  Sat Aug  8 21:41:44 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 18:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with TX Monitor up and running
In-Reply-To: <CAAuJiTxZ7dZsyWztnGptzTW2NSG1tEcF6brHvVxaaDj3_TZ0qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAuJiTxZ7dZsyWztnGptzTW2NSG1tEcF6brHvVxaaDj3_TZ0qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2299B34E-77B2-4330-9287-F4587336B6A9@mac.com>

I got my TX monitor but not installed yet.  However, I am surprised that 
Beta code is required as noted in the quoted message below.  I didn?t 
know this.  Beta required for a released product?

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Aug 8, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?.<some parts deleted>?  
> 
> After loading all the firmware from the production
> side of the Elecraft web site to test initial functionality, 
> Beta code to enable the TX Monitor features.verything went well
> ?<some parts deleted>.
> Great Job Elecraft
> 
> 73s
> 
> Jobst
> AC0LP


From jvandrey at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 21:55:48 2015
From: jvandrey at gmail.com (Jobst Vandrey)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 20:55:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with TX Monitor up and running
In-Reply-To: <2299B34E-77B2-4330-9287-F4587336B6A9@mac.com>
References: <CAAuJiTxZ7dZsyWztnGptzTW2NSG1tEcF6brHvVxaaDj3_TZ0qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2299B34E-77B2-4330-9287-F4587336B6A9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAAuJiTwnNxeH6oSRVezDk17AUk0AJjTFKWrN84w=UG=41GktKw@mail.gmail.com>

Phil

The current production release code for the P3 is over a year old - the
Txmonitor function hardware was introduced at Dayton this year and the
first units did not ship till about a week ago so the firmware has not yet
caught up to current.  I suspect that between Dayton and version 1.50 of
the Beta code last week, there were a number of changes made to improve the
code based on tester feedback.  Example - at Dayton, the FAQ indicated that
the monitor function would only work with the K3 but the latest FAQ says it
will work with an transceiver.

With my limited experience so far, the firmware does appear very stable
even if it is still classified officially as Beta. I will continue to use
the system and migrate to new versions of firmware as it becomes available
just as I have done with the K3.

Just my $0.02

73

Jobst
AC0LP

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> I got my TX monitor but not installed yet.  However, I am surprised that
> Beta code is required as noted in the quoted message below.  I didn?t
> know this.  Beta required for a released product?
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> > On Aug 8, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?.<some parts deleted>?
> >
> > After loading all the firmware from the production
> > side of the Elecraft web site to test initial functionality,
> > Beta code to enable the TX Monitor features.verything went well
> > ?<some parts deleted>.
> > Great Job Elecraft
> >
> > 73s
> >
> > Jobst
> > AC0LP
>
>

From no9e at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 22:03:58 2015
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:03:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 always uses antenna from main RX
Message-ID: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>

I tried diversity today and something is wrong. KRX3 input (BNC) is not
working and KRX3 receives always receives signals from the main RX.

In KRX3 menu, Ant=bnc

Definitely the diversity was working a couple of month ago. I upgraded to
the newest beta, and no change.  

Any idea what might have happened?

Ignacy, NO9E



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From no9e at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 22:27:12 2015
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:27:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 always uses antenna from main RX
In-Reply-To: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1439087232944-7606131.post@n2.nabble.com>

Please ignore. After a few turning of and on, reloading N1MM, etc., KRX3 is
working well again. Have no idea why BNC input was not working.
Ignacy




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From w6sx at arrl.net  Sat Aug  8 22:26:12 2015
From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1439080808.8733.27.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
	<1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1439080808.8733.27.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
Message-ID: <CABD27UmjpNzH-RmGaXVvG2Hs9_jkxt3HKTA4Q6UnG3=1fXip7w@mail.gmail.com>

My insurance agent said almost the same thing...
>

Of course an insurance agent would say that. It is to his advantage to have
clients who don't make claims.

73,

Hank, W6SX

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 22:35:47 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 always uses antenna from main RX
In-Reply-To: <1439087232944-7606131.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1439087232944-7606131.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3Oz74Z5k7MwGun53KY5JbL3SxtdwgS5jd5cW-W8yYLjg@mail.gmail.com>

N1MM has the capability to turn the KRX3 on and off depending on spots, and
can undo what you last did on the front panel. Doing a hold on RX ANT on
the front panel will toggle the KRX3 between MAIN and whatever is connected
to the AUX input. The latter could either be the BNC or the SO239 not in
use by the TX, depending on where the KRX3 aux input was connected at
assembly.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:

> Please ignore. After a few turning of and on, reloading N1MM, etc., KRX3 is
> working well again. Have no idea why BNC input was not working.
> Ignacy
>
>
>
>
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> View this message in context:
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Aug  8 22:59:02 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 19:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CABD27UmjpNzH-RmGaXVvG2Hs9_jkxt3HKTA4Q6UnG3=1fXip7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55C56F6C.4040603@bellsouth.net>
	<1439068806855-7606110.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAHHcgafdHN6cyi13_2odDwO=0Yhi92bvr4S3v2WjuKBH-_ar8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1439080808.8733.27.camel@nostromo.nk7z>
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I guess I am not quite as cynical as you.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

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On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 19:26 -0700, Hank Garretson wrote:
> My insurance agent said almost the same thing...
> >
> 
> Of course an insurance agent would say that. It is to his advantage to have
> clients who don't make claims.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Hank, W6SX
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From w2lj at verizon.net  Sat Aug  8 23:10:54 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 23:10:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is a go!
Message-ID: <3bc4ef2c7908004cbd994fc0c6400f24@192.168.1.4>

Thanks to all who signed up to be Skeeters in the 2015 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt. The roster is set and there are 166 of you who signed up for numbers. My deepest thanks to all of you. Remember, you do not have to have a Skeeter number to play, so if you didn't sign up for one, don't feel left out or neglected. All QRPers, whether they be SSB or CW operators are invited to join in on the fun. Anyone who needs a last minute refresher on the rules can find them at www.qsl.net/w2lj
Be safe, have a great time and enjoy yourself and the great outdoors.
Please remember, all Log Summaries (actual logs are NOT needed) are due to be mailed to w2lj at arrl.net no later than Midnight, Monday August 24th.
72 de Larry W2LJ - Skeeter #13

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  9 00:04:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 00:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 always uses antenna from main RX
In-Reply-To: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55C6D137.9030307@embarqmail.com>

Ignacy,

Which TMP connector is plugged into your subRX AUX input.
Is it the BNC connector or the TMP cable from the KAT3?
If it is the BNC connector, then the BNC jack should work - that is the 
plugging used for the K3 (K3S) factory build units.
If however, you have the TMP cable from the KAT3 plugged in, the subRX 
will use the non-transmit SO-239 jack when the subRX is set to AUX input.

It makes no difference what the menu says, you must set the menu 
according to how the K3 is physically connected, so if you do not have 
the BNC connector plugged to the subRX AUX input, you will not have any 
input from the BNC connector.  The "magic" is all in the physical setup, 
and the menu must be set according to that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/8/2015 10:03 PM, Ignacy wrote:
> I tried diversity today and something is wrong. KRX3 input (BNC) is not
> working and KRX3 receives always receives signals from the main RX.
>
> In KRX3 menu, Ant=bnc
>
> Definitely the diversity was working a couple of month ago. I upgraded to
> the newest beta, and no change.
>
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Aug  9 00:44:00 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 21:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
In-Reply-To: <000101d0d1af$f085d8d0$d1918a70$@co.uk>
References: <000901d0d123$aa068940$fe139bc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<F5014CA4921E41489976CAB702D46850@Paramount>
	<000101d0d1af$f085d8d0$d1918a70$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <8BD85286-D6E1-4512-9D3D-AB58419920E1@elecraft.com>

Let's let the insurance threads rest for noe as we've certainly exceeded the OT posting limit :-)

73,

Eric
List moderator
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Aug 8, 2015, at 12:57 AM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> G4GNX wrote:
>> 
>> Although I'm in the UK and slightly different rules may apply
> [...]
>> You really do need specialist insurance as most ordinary residential
>> insurance companies just don't understand our "special needs" and will
>> attempt to wriggle out of a payout on very flimsy grounds.
> 
> There's a story about a UK ham who claimed on his homeowner's insurance
> for the loss of his amateur microwave equipment. They sent him a voucher
> for a kitchen appliances store.
> 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Sun Aug  9 01:00:04 2015
From: w7aqk at cox.net (dyarnes)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Rig Insurance
Message-ID: <9EECBC9D421046B896E9155DED77C612@TDYDell>

Hi All,

Ted, KN1CBR, makes some very good points about the complexities of coverage. 
I don't know about the rest of you, but my head spins when I try to decipher 
what my homeowner's policy will cover vs. what it will not cover!  The lower 
deductible with ARRL insurance is definitely an attractive feature. 
However, you probably need to evaluate just what "risks" are really 
relevant, and compare that to the added cost.

Rightly or wrongly, I've always tended to view the ARRL insurance program as 
protection that is best suited against total loss, such as fire or theft, 
and then considered just how much risk I actually have of that occurring. 
Then you have to correlate that to whatever protection you might have from 
your own homeowner's policy.  Insuring simply against damage may, or may 
not, actually make a lot of sense since the repair bill might not actually 
exceed your deductible plus the premium payments you have made over time. 
It's a crap shoot!

Then you have to consider what all you are actually going to include in your 
coverage--you probably don't want to insure everything--just significant 
items.  In so doing, however, you now are paying a premium on multiple items 
while the risk of loss may well be only for one item (but you don't 
necessarily know which one!), and so you are paying not just $1.50/hundred, 
but a multiple of that--in effect!  Maybe that doesn't make a lot of sense, 
but it sort of does to me.  Stated differently, assume you are insuring five 
$1,000 items and paying a premium accordingly.  Are all 5 items equally at 
risk simultaneously?  Maybe yes, but probably not.  Still, you are paying a 
premium for 5 items when, at any point in time, maybe only one of those 
items may be truly at risk--whatever that might be.  This may seem like an 
over-complication, but I certainly think that is, at least in part, how your 
insurance company views things when they set the premiums!  Their objective 
is to absolutely make money on covering you.  Unfortunately, the only way 
you may know for sure that your arrangement has been a "good deal" for you 
is if they cancel you because they aren't making money!  I had a claim, 
about 20 years ago, on a satellite receiver that got "toasted" by a 
lightning strike.  My insurance company didn't cancel me afterwards, but 
they did force me to "up" my deductible!  If they don't get you coming, they 
will get you going!

Insurance is a "must have", particularly for the significant risks we are 
all exposed to, but I'm still somewhat cynical about the way insurance 
companies run their business.  You pay a premium supposedly based on a "pool 
of risks", but if you become a claimant, the thrust of the backlash will 
most probably be more against you rather than the "pool".  Never mind that 
your loss may simply have been a case of the law of averages!

Clearly we all should evaluate our homeowner's policies to see what coverage 
we have, or don't have.  If the coverage isn't very good, then the ARRL 
insurance probably makes a lot of sense.  It would be nice if we had some 
insurance "gurus" who could maybe enlighten all of us about this aspect! 
I'm not exactly sure about my own coverage, but this thread has started me 
thinking about looking into that--if I can just get my agent to stand still 
for a few minutes to explain it to me!  Hi.  I do know this--whenever I've 
been moved to get some sort of explanation about coverage, I often am 
disappointed in the response!!!!  There always seems to be more in the way 
of exceptions, limitations, and exclusions than there is in actual coverage.

Self insuring isn't a bad alternative, although it probably wouldn't be 
sufficient against major risks.  If we had the discipline to put that 
premium money away in a savings account, we very well might be better off as 
to any of the more common risks.  The problem is, most of us don't have that 
sort of discipline, and want the peace of mind of protection against a 
sudden significant cost outlay.  For example, I'm "guilty" of this with 
respect to one of these home warranty plans.  For many years I've been a 
slot machine for the insurance company, and I pay a fairly high deductible 
for any repair visits--probably enough to cover most of the service call!  I 
even got a new refrigerator out of it some years back, but the premiums I 
have paid cover that cost many times over.  Still, I keep doing it, mainly 
out of concern that one of my A/C units might blow up!  It's hard to argue 
against the peace of mind thing, so you pay your money and take your choice!

Dave W7AQK



From pc2a at pi4cc.nl  Sun Aug  9 07:55:23 2015
From: pc2a at pi4cc.nl (Peter)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:55:23 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fixed TX audio from the monitor
Message-ID: <55C73FAB.80201@pi4cc.nl>

Hi

A long standing wish is to get fixed level audio out from the audio 
monitor for the K3
Some operators don't like there voice hearing and turn of the  audio 
monitor low or off.
Result is a blank or weak  TX audio in the recording.
See http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-January/102536.html 
The RX part is done a long time a go but till now no solution for the  
TX part.

With the new rule of audio recording for the upcomming CQWW it pops up 
again and I like to ask if its possible to add a fixed audio level 
output for TX

 From http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm
*C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing 
for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA 
levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the 
operator for the duration of the contest operation.

Are we not al winners in some kind of catagory? :-)

Peter
PC2A



From ed at w0yk.com  Sun Aug  9 08:55:43 2015
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 05:55:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fixed TX audio from the monitor
Message-ID: <mailman.192.1439125119.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Use Line Out.

73,
Ed W0YK
On Aug 9, 2015 4:55 AM, Peter <pc2a at pi4cc.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi 
>
> A long standing wish is to get fixed level audio out from the audio 
> monitor for the K3 
> Some operators don't like there voice hearing and turn of the? audio 
> monitor low or off. 
> Result is a blank or weak? TX audio in the recording. 
> See http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-January/102536.html 
> The RX part is done a long time a go but till now no solution for the? 
> TX part. 
>
> With the new rule of audio recording for the upcomming CQWW it pops up 
> again and I like to ask if its possible to add a fixed audio level 
> output for TX 
>
> From http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm 
> *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing 
> for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA 
> levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the 
> operator for the duration of the contest operation. 
>
> Are we not al winners in some kind of catagory? :-) 
>
> Peter 
> PC2A 
>
>
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From no9e at arrl.net  Sun Aug  9 09:17:49 2015
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 06:17:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 always uses antenna from main RX
In-Reply-To: <55C6D137.9030307@embarqmail.com>
References: <1439085838662-7606130.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55C6D137.9030307@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1439126269145-7606141.post@n2.nabble.com>

This must have been N1MM+ or I pressed RX ANT too long. I forgot that RX hold
has a functionality with SUB on, switching between AUX and MAIN. It is easy
to be fooled.
Good that this group exists. 
Ignacy
 



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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug  9 09:57:09 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 09:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WorkAround: Keyboard Issue - QRO Dropped Characters Via
	P3
Message-ID: <013601d0d2ab$49d48750$dd7d95f0$@carolinaheli.com>

Issue: When sending high speed CW (around 60wpm or higher) using a keyboard
connected to the P3 you may experience occasional delays and/or dropped
characters.
Root Cause: Unknown - Elecraft will need to investigate and remedy.
Resolution: Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution
setting (SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  At 1920x1024 the SVGA runs a little slower
(more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the monitor, there is no
reason to have it at the highest resolution.




From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug  9 09:57:29 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 09:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WorkAround: Keyboard Issue - QRO Dropped Characters Via
	P3
Message-ID: <013801d0d2ab$55c55260$014ff720$@carolinaheli.com>

Issue: When sending high speed CW (around 60wpm or higher) using a keyboard
connected to the P3 you may experience occasional delays and/or dropped
characters.
Root Cause: Unknown - Elecraft will need to investigate and remedy.
Resolution: Plug your video monitor into the P3 and change the resolution
setting (SVGA res) to 1024x768 .  At 1920x1024 the SVGA runs a little slower
(more pixels to compute). Since you are not using the monitor, there is no
reason to have it at the highest resolution.




From kh at kh-translation.dk  Sun Aug  9 11:31:59 2015
From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:31:59 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VOX by mode only?
Message-ID: <001201d0d2b8$88471680$98d54380$@kh-translation.dk>

I too would like that feature

 

I'd like to use VOX on digital modes, but never on phone and I see no way to
set it up "by mode" such that the gain can be set to a certain value on
phone (000), but higher on digital modes.  Am I correct?  Yes, I know I can
turn it on and off manually.

______________________________________________________________


From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sun Aug  9 11:59:05 2015
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 08:59:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Trade Offer
Message-ID: <1439135945767-7606145.post@n2.nabble.com>

If you have a K3 and looking to upgrade to the K3S while wondering what to do
with your K3, read on. I have a new Meade 8" LX90 ACF Telescope with field
tripod, GPS and computer control Audioguide which I bought earlier this year
on impulse. I have $1,600 invested but have never gone out at night to enjoy
it. I fall asleep too early or am on the radio. I would like to trade the
telescope plus cash of course for your K3 if you are looking to sell/trade
and have an interest in the night sky. This is a terrific telescope used
only to align the spotting telescope that comes with it, so if you are
interested in the night sky and can stay awake long enough to enjoy it
please contact me off-line. Thanks. Ron KM4VX (910) 793-9043



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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Aug  9 12:25:09 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <55C77EE5.5080603@coho.net>

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 12:38:08 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 12:38:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <00b101d0d2c1$c62c7db0$52857910$@gmail.com>

Today's Elecraft SSB net will meet at 18:00 UTC on 14.3035 +/-. I will be
net control from the Atlanta suburbs. I look forward to hearing everyone on
the net.

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From PSchumacher at winona.edu  Sun Aug  9 12:52:01 2015
From: PSchumacher at winona.edu (Schumacher, Paul)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 16:52:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and HDSDR with omni rig ... question
Message-ID: <C777F038F8B1384F9F80E75AFBCA87851EA9ABC5@EXCHANGE2.winona.edu>

I am a newbie with HDSDR and omni ... I got the panaramic display working but the received signals 
are displayed 12 kHz off of where they should be.  The frequency of the LO and KX3 tuning are displayed
in the correct position on the display.  

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,


Paul, K0ZYV

From pc2a at pi4cc.nl  Sun Aug  9 13:24:57 2015
From: pc2a at pi4cc.nl (Peter)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 19:24:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fixed TX audio from the monitor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23273.1439135959.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.23273.1439135959.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55C78CE9.5000208@pi4cc.nl>

Ed

Line out has only RX fixed audio level settings.
TX audio is per TX monitor setting and by operator prefference .

In worse case, some one don't like any feedback in SSB and you wil find 
a blank recoring during TX

73 Peter, PC22

elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net schreef op 09/08/2015 17:59:
> Use Line Out. 
     73, Ed W0YK On Aug 9, 2015 4:55 AM, Peter <pc2a at pi4cc.nl> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> A long standing wish is to get fixed level audio out from the audio
>> monitor for the K3
>> Some operators don't like there voice hearing and turn of the? audio
>> monitor low or off.
>> Result is a blank or weak? TX audio in the recording.
>> Seehttp://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-January/102536.html  
>> The RX part is done a long time a go but till now no solution for the?
>> TX part.
>>
>> With the new rule of audio recording for the upcomming CQWW it pops up
>> again and I like to ask if its possible to add a fixed audio level
>> output for TX
>>
>> Fromhttp://www.cqww.com/rules.htm  
>> *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing
>> for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA
>> levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the
>> operator for the duration of the contest operation.
>>
>> Are we not al winners in some kind of catagory?  
>>
>> Peter
>> PC2A
>


From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Aug  9 14:10:47 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:10:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] DZKit Sienna and K3
Message-ID: <D1ECF3C5.118F7%edauer@law.du.edu>

Thinking about adding another kit transceiver to the toy box.  If anyone has built and operated a DZKit Sienna and would be willing to offer hands-on comparisons with the K3, please do . . . either here if you think it's of general interest, or via direct e-mail:  edauer at law.du.edu.  Tnx!

Ted, KN1CBR

From RJGUIDRYSR at VERIZON.NET  Sun Aug  9 16:14:11 2015
From: RJGUIDRYSR at VERIZON.NET (RUSS GUIDRY SR)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S LOCAL & REMOTE
Message-ID: <000001d0d2df$f4a26dd0$dde74970$@VERIZON.NET>

I have been working with new K3S-P3 along with the Remote Rig 1258 MKII K3
Twin system. Input received from a few on the line here so wanted to give a
short report. Goal was to have both full local and remote control of the
K3S-P3 with as few cable swaps as possible. I am using the W3YY FSK-CW-PTT
interface and a number of software logging/control programs (N1MM 1.0.5061,
HRD 6.2.9.377, N4PY 4.20, and Win4K3Suite 1.762) have been tested with good
results.  

Using a Winford Engineering (CDY15HDMFF-1) "Y" cable (standard "VGA" cable
or "VGA Y" do not work and well documented by Elecraft) on the K3S Acc-1
jack for Remote Rig and W3YY use of FSK-PTT-Power on-Signal Ground. Future
KPA500 will need second "Y" for ACC on KPA500 or KAT500 see KE7X K-Line
book. New RJ45 to RS232 standard K3S cable (Elecraft # E980297) to the P3
XCVR input and then a B&B Electronics Modem Data Splitter (9PMDS) with "J3"
to "P3 PC" jack connected with standard RS232 extension cable, "J1" to "PC
with KUSB or equal RS232-USB converter" and standard Remote Rig cable on
"J2" to Remote Rig Com-2 jack.  This configuration is allowing the PC to
make use of both the logging software programs and "alternately" the K3 and
P3 utility programs at the Remote site.  Normal Radio RR mic input to K3S
Rear panel Mic in, Radio RR speaker to rear panel stereo speaker out, and
Radio RR PTT to rear panel PTT.  I have made use of the new USB port for the
audio codec only (need Mic+Lin set) and use it with MMTTY or DM780 for PSK
or AFSK.  FSK-D is via the W3YY interface to Pin 1 of the ACC-1 connector
for both local and remote operation.  This is not battle tested but offered
for others to use if looking for local/remote operation with new K3S. May be
useful with amps as well that need two way control but untested.

Thanks for input and help from W1UE, N6XI, W3YY, and DJ0QN-K7DX with use of
the KE7X Cary books.  Comment welcome as all on test bench now till Thursday
when go live.

*         Note:  "Y" is Elecraft part number E980190 "DB15 Y"- Cable. Also
available, along with 15-pin cables, from http://www.winfordeng.com.
Elecraft K3 Radio Accessory 'ACC' Port Splitter.

 


From no9e at arrl.net  Sun Aug  9 17:12:18 2015
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:12:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Ghost reception
Message-ID: <1439154738984-7606152.post@n2.nabble.com>

This has happened a few times on 20m in  WAE CW contest.

I can see stations calling on P3 but cannot hear. Or suddenly a station
comes up calling CQ although I cannot see it on P3. After doing A/B twice,
everything is normal. So it seems that for a moment K3 receives different
frequency than it is set on.

This only occurs on 20m when somehow K3 is sensitive to high power.

SUB is off. Also only on 20m K3 sometimes does not come automatically back
from transmit.  Keying is by Microham CW keyer but PTT is via N1MM in
software.

Ignacy, NO9E



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From wglevy at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 17:36:00 2015
From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 15:36:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] TX MON for the P3
Message-ID: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>

I installed two TX MON boards in my two P3's.
I upgraded both K3s and both P3s.

In neither P3 to I get a TX MON in the menu.

I installed both P3's TX MON boards on a grounded mat and I was also
grounded.

So I am at a loss why there is no TX MON appearing in my P3 Menu.

Any help will be appreciated.

73 Bill N2WL

From k9fd at flex.com  Sun Aug  9 17:50:16 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 11:50:16 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] TX MON for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C7CB18.8080606@flex.com>

You need the beta firmware upgrade for the P3.


> I installed two TX MON boards in my two P3's.
> I upgraded both K3s and both P3s.
>
> In neither P3 to I get a TX MON in the menu.
>
> I installed both P3's TX MON boards on a grounded mat and I was also
> grounded.
>
> So I am at a loss why there is no TX MON appearing in my P3 Menu.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> 73 Bill N2WL
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Aug  9 17:50:42 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TX MON for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C7CB32.40806@subich.com>


Did you update to the beta P3 firmware with the initial TX Mon
support?  From Eric 10 days ago:

> Yes, P3 f/w v1.5 is up on the website at:
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/P3/elecraft_p3_software.htm
>
> As with all of our s/w, it is a download from the site for the P3
> andis not included with the P3TXMON kit.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/9/2015 5:36 PM, William Levy wrote:
> I installed two TX MON boards in my two P3's.
> I upgraded both K3s and both P3s.
>
> In neither P3 to I get a TX MON in the menu.
>
> I installed both P3's TX MON boards on a grounded mat and I was also
> grounded.
>
> So I am at a loss why there is no TX MON appearing in my P3 Menu.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> 73 Bill N2WL
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Sun Aug  9 17:51:40 2015
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 14:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX MON for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F16A9897-462F-4BC8-BFF7-79958B95707D@nobis.net>

Bill,

What is the rev level of the firmware you loaded in the P3?


Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On Aug 9, 2015, at 14:36, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I installed two TX MON boards in my two P3's.
> I upgraded both K3s and both P3s.
> 
> In neither P3 to I get a TX MON in the menu.
> 
> I installed both P3's TX MON boards on a grounded mat and I was also
> grounded.
> 
> So I am at a loss why there is no TX MON appearing in my P3 Menu.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> 73 Bill N2WL
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 17:56:53 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results 8/9/15
Message-ID: <004301d0d2ee$4d7a1440$e86e3cc0$@gmail.com>

To say band conditions today were challenging is quite the understatement.
We had 18 total check-ins today, myself included. Thank yous go out to John,
N6JW, and Ray, WB5JJA, for their assistance as relay stations. If you tried
to check in today, but didn't make it, please keep trying. 20m is behaving
like a fickle mistress these days, and we'll be able to get you in at some
point.

 

Today's check-ins:

 

N6JW                    John      CA          K3           936

WB5JJA                 Ray         OK          K3           7877

NC0JW                  Jim         CO          KX3        1356

W4RKS                  Jim         TX           K3           3618

K6SAB                   Steve    CA          K3           7497

K4GCJ                   Gerry    NC          K3           1597

KL7UW                 Ed           AK          K3           4340

W0CZ                    Ken        ND          K3           457

W4PFM                Paul       VA          K3           1673

N9TF                      Gene     IL             K3S         10057

K8NU                    Carl        OH          K3           7976

N0NB                    Nate      KS           K3           4762

VE7EAR                Al            BC           KX3        3158

KC8HXO               Greg      MI          KX3        242

KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           K3           7771

K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650

AE6JW                  Bill          NH          KX3        6454       

KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281

 

See everyone on the net next Sunday, 18:00 UTC on 14.3035 +/-.

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From software.research.development at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 18:34:40 2015
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:34:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Rx Antenna Choices
Message-ID: <CAGchGNsaFheEraq8KQbqg9cZ424=ytOK8xa3+3-QhMujDAhpjw@mail.gmail.com>

In my quest to learn more about sub-rx operations, I?m reading through the
KRX3 antenna choices (KE7X book) and see that when installing the sub-rx,
there?s a choice to make in the connection of the antenna by connecting the
TMP cable to one of two places. A) to the ATU, or B) the auxiliary RF BNC
antenna.

I like the idea of connecting to the ATU which appears to allow me to use
the same antenna as the main, or by a software setting, which allows for
whichever antenna is not used by main. But the auxiliary BNC seems to be
used more for diversity reception (and can work same way).

Can anyone clarify what's best in what situations? My use is, I would think
is general, I?m wanting to learn how to operate w/ a sub. I?m guessing A is
the better choice. Which way does the factory ship the K3S?

Thanks.

From NZ3O at arrl.net  Sun Aug  9 18:52:35 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 18:52:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
Message-ID: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>

Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit on 
the Sub.

I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.

I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.

(100)-72, Byron


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Aug  9 19:06:25 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 23:06:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <781106971.1746908.1439161585878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

You don't need to do anything special except have two speakers or a stereo headset. ?One output goes to left speaker and the other to the right speaker. ?You can hear the difference unless you have a hearing problem. ?Likewise with a stereo headset you hear one in the left ear and one in the right.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,TDXS Contest Chairman K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS
      From: Byron Peebles <NZ3O at arrl.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:52 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
   
Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?

For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.

I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit on 
the Sub.

I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.? 
When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.

I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
to others.

(100)-72, Byron

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From radionovember at arwolfpack.com  Sun Aug  9 19:39:21 2015
From: radionovember at arwolfpack.com (Glenn - N5RN)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Blank display on K3 power on
Message-ID: <55C7E4A9.5020807@arwolfpack.com>

All -

I turned on my K3 this afternoon and was greeted by a blank display.  I 
found that I couldn't turn the radio off using the front panel button so 
I pulled the power.  After plugging the power back in, I tried again.   
A blank display.  Since I had a backup I opted to try a reset (shift 
LO-power on) and the radio hangs at the EE INIT display.

Is there anything else I can try to bring the radio back to life?

TIA -
Glenn
N5RN

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug  9 19:44:33 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 16:44:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Blank display on K3 power on
In-Reply-To: <55C7E4A9.5020807@arwolfpack.com>
References: <55C7E4A9.5020807@arwolfpack.com>
Message-ID: <55C7E5E1.2080507@socal.rr.com>

No wise words. But I'd try first connecting to it 
with the K3 Utility.

Phil W7OX

On 8/9/15 4:39 PM, Glenn - N5RN wrote:
> All -
>
> I turned on my K3 this afternoon and was greeted 
> by a blank display.  I found that I couldn't 
> turn the radio off using the front panel button 
> so I pulled the power.  After plugging the power 
> back in, I tried again.   A blank display.  
> Since I had a backup I opted to try a reset 
> (shift LO-power on) and the radio hangs at the 
> EE INIT display.
>
> Is there anything else I can try to bring the 
> radio back to life?
>
> TIA -
> Glenn
> N5RN


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  9 19:47:32 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 19:47:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <55C7E694.60104@embarqmail.com>

Byron,

First, it is not possible to transmit on the Sub - it is receive only.

I don't know what you mean by "have the signals on both the main and 
sub-receivers" - if you turn on the SUB, you will have the main in one 
ear and the SubRX in the other.

You can hear signals in the main RX, and also in the SubRX (if you have 
the SUB turned on).  Normally the main RX frequency is displayed in VFO 
A and the subRX frequency is in VFO B.  Your transmit frequency will be 
on VFO A unless you go SPLIT and then it changes to VFO B.  If you have 
any question about which VFO will be used for transmit, look at the 
"arrow" to the right of the display - it points to the VFO that will be 
used for transmit.

With the K3 in SPLIT, the transmit arrow will point to VFO B, and that 
will be the frequency you will transmit on, so you would tune VFO A to 
the DX and tune VFO B to the pileup to find the spot you wish to transmit.

With the SubRX on, you can accomplish the same thing without going into 
SPLIT, but you will transmit on VFO A - tune that vfo to the pileup, and 
with VFO B, tune to the DX station.

It is not complicated as long as you observe the transmit arrow display.
I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my 
transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station does 
not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, there is 
no reason to change VFO B.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 8/9/2015 6:52 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
> Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?
>
> For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.
>
> I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit 
> on the Sub.
>
> I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
> combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
> When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.
>
> I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
> to others.
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  9 19:49:57 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 19:49:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blank display on K3 power on
In-Reply-To: <55C7E4A9.5020807@arwolfpack.com>
References: <55C7E4A9.5020807@arwolfpack.com>
Message-ID: <55C7E725.5080001@embarqmail.com>

Glenn,

Fire up K3 Utility and first read the HELP section on forcing a firmware 
load.  Follow those instructions and load all firmware.

If that does not work, contact K3support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/9/2015 7:39 PM, Glenn - N5RN wrote:
> All -
>
> I turned on my K3 this afternoon and was greeted by a blank display.  
> I found that I couldn't turn the radio off using the front panel 
> button so I pulled the power.  After plugging the power back in, I 
> tried again.   A blank display.  Since I had a backup I opted to try a 
> reset (shift LO-power on) and the radio hangs at the EE INIT display.
>


From phystad at mac.com  Sun Aug  9 20:11:04 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 17:11:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX MON for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru08HzFhR9b5uSdMCYXXM7Nu7jbihR5AA4TaKXO0L5+w3BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF24F6D2-A1D5-46E2-A524-25EB977A7328@mac.com>

Besides uploading the beta firmware, you might need to go into the
menu settings (on the P3) to set the menu items for getting the right
displays enabled.  I had to do this with my TX Mon.  So, read the
Owner?s Manual that came with the TX Mon paying particular attention
to menu settings.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Aug 9, 2015, at 2:36 PM, William Levy <wglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I installed two TX MON boards in my two P3's.
> I upgraded both K3s and both P3s.
> 
> In neither P3 to I get a TX MON in the menu.
> 
> I installed both P3's TX MON boards on a grounded mat and I was also
> grounded.
> 
> So I am at a loss why there is no TX MON appearing in my P3 Menu.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> 73 Bill N2WL
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 20:15:06 2015
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:15:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <55C7ED0A.9030104@gmail.com>

Byron,
Perhaps you're missing the first step: you need to turn it on by tapping 
"sub" on the front panel.

73,
Scott N9AA

On 8/9/15 6:52 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
> Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?
>
> For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.
>
> I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit 
> on the Sub.
>
> I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
> combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
> When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.
>
> I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
> to others.
>
> (100)-72, Byron
>
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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Sun Aug  9 20:36:56 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED: K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <55C7F228.4000503@arrl.net>

Lots of great tips from list members: Thanks everyone!

For me, the answer was to use B SET and tap the ANT button to get it on 
the antenna.

Other great steps: SPEAKERS 2, SUB, etc.  Luckily I just missed this one.

(100)72, Byron

On 08/09/2015 06:52 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
> Is there a way to have the signals on both the main and sub-receivers?
>
> For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.
>
> I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit 
> on the Sub.
>
> I've read and re-read a lot of pages, pressed a lot of button 
> combinations, but have yet to hear any signals on the sub-receiver.  
> When I A/B swap, I hear things on Main, but never on Sub.
>
> I am new to the Elecraft style, so I might bemissing something obvious 
> to others.
>


From NZ3O at arrl.net  Sun Aug  9 20:47:55 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:47:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7E694.60104@embarqmail.com>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net> <55C7E694.60104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C7F4BB.5050202@arrl.net>

I think this is another un-learning experience for me, coming from a 
radio with two big knobs.
It makes sense to reverse the way I used the VFOs in the past, so I have 
to learn the mechanics of quickly going "split", locking the Sub, and 
working the VFO A DX-receive frequency.

I have seen this written-up, but it didn't hit home until your note.

Great tip, Don.

(100) 72, Byron

On 08/09/2015 07:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> It is not complicated as long as you observe the transmit arrow display.
> I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my 
> transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station 
> does not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, 
> there is no reason to change VFO B. 


From jim at jtmiller.com  Sun Aug  9 21:17:36 2015
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 21:17:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Bypass?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9zakGQ0LvGLP7=V3V5NvCgd9Kr9xdHH3KW-4DOPJ0ax7g@mail.gmail.com>

When the KAT500 is in Bypass are all elements really bypassed?

Or are they bypassed with compensation for the internal paths?

Is there an internal bypass "calibration" required?

73

jim ab3cv

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 21:42:41 2015
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3/KXPA100
Message-ID: <CAP7zeE+Z2QRFLd4VPVDL_R9Y6t8AwN21Y7FweAQtLbjWU_7UBg@mail.gmail.com>

Decided to move to a K3 remote setup so I am selling my KX3 and KXPA100:

KX3 factory assembled #4352
  -MH3 microphone
  -KXFL3 Roofing filter
  -KXAT3 Tuner
  -Accessory cable kit
KXPA100 kit #1143
  -KXPACBL cable kit

List for the combo is $2139 + shipping.  I'll sell both for $1,700.00 plus
shipping/insurance to US addresses only.  All in excellent condition with
no scratches, blemishes, etc. and non-smoking household.  Please reply
direct to w0ag at arrl.net.

Mike - w0ag

From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Aug  9 21:59:03 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 18:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Bypass?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9zakGQ0LvGLP7=V3V5NvCgd9Kr9xdHH3KW-4DOPJ0ax7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9zakGQ0LvGLP7=V3V5NvCgd9Kr9xdHH3KW-4DOPJ0ax7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD621F8D-D987-45C6-BE8B-284C9B9FF003@elecraft.com>

The former. 

Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2015, at 18:17, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> When the KAT500 is in Bypass are all elements really bypassed?
> 
> Or are they bypassed with compensation for the internal paths?
> 
> Is there an internal bypass "calibration" required?
> 
> 73
> 
> jim ab3cv
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Mon Aug 10 03:48:09 2015
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:48:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub-Receiver: How to Hear Both Receivers?
In-Reply-To: <55C7E694.60104@embarqmail.com>
References: <55C7D9B3.1080101@arrl.net> <55C7E694.60104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301d0d340$ebd3ac30$c37b0490$@co.uk>

Byron wrote:
>>
>> For example, listening to a DX operator who is running split.
>>
>> I would like to hear the DX on the Main, and both Listen and Transmit
>> on the Sub.
>>

Don replied:
>I prefer to tune through the pileup with the big knob and place my
>transmit frequency at what I consider a good spot.  The DX station does
>not often move, so once I tune in the DX with the VFO B knob, there is
>no reason to change VFO B.

Byron, don't give up! Your instincts are entirely correct: use the main
receiver for the DX and the sub for the pileup.

Four good reasons:

1. By any meaningful definition of the term "DX", the DX station is
likely to be *much* weaker and more difficult to copy than stations in
the pileup. In some parts of the world, the DX station will also be
subject to strong and deliberate jamming that will make copy extremely
difficult.

2. But you still need to copy *every detail* of what the DX station
sends. Above all, you need 100% copy of the callsign that he's currently
replying to - in the hope that it's yours, of course, and then to
confirm that he copied it correctly. 

3. You don't need good copy at all from the pileup. You only need to
identify a frequency where someone is sending "599" but you don't need
to know who that was, and you probably won't even call on that
frequency. It doesn't need your best receiver to do that.

4. The Main and Sub receivers are not "equal". The Main is by far your
best receiver because all the QRM-fighting features and controls are
immediately to hand. Many controls for the Sub cannot be reached without
first holding BSET, and the Sub may not have the full complement of
filters.


So stick with the method you know, Byron. The K3 can do it, and it
*will* net you more DX.


73 from Ian GM3SEK



From david at g4nrt.com  Mon Aug 10 06:45:43 2015
From: david at g4nrt.com (David Bondy G4NRT)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:45:43 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
Message-ID: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>

I have three portable Elecraft rigs (K1, K2 and KX3) and up to now power them from a wall outlet (I do have the internal battery charger unit in the KX3). I want to take them out and about and do some SOTA type stuff.

So, I am looking for advice on a portable power solution.  Should I bee looking at LiFePO4 batteries or Sealed Lead-Acid batteries? What are the pros and cons of each?  How about charging them when they are not in use?  Should they be left to run down and then charged or kept continuously on a charger?  Are the Buddipole one any good (although I would have to source the same type here as they are not shippable across the pond!).

I am in the UK so generic types may be more applicable than specific brands. Your suggestions would be most welcome!

73 David 
============================
David Bondy G4NRT 
RNARS:4148 Fists:16978 SOC:1132
G-QRP: 14747 BARTG: 9123
Locator: JO01bt / WL41




From m0lep at hewett.org  Mon Aug 10 07:17:29 2015
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:17:29 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
Message-ID: <2e41.55c88849.a7e48.m0lep@hewett.org>

On Mon 10 Aug David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
> Should I be looking at LiFePO4 batteries or Sealed Lead-Acid 
> batteries?

You'll find quite a bit of discussion of batteries on the SOTA 
reflector, but apart from the cost, I can't see any obvious advantages 
of using SLABs any more.

Choose an appropriate LiFePo and you'll have a battery delivering more 
power at a more useful voltage with rather less weight in your pack...

Things get a bit more involved if you intend flying to foreign parts. 
Again, lots of advice on the SOTA reflector.

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From egrimseid at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 07:46:48 2015
From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:46:48 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <2e41.55c88849.a7e48.m0lep@hewett.org>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
	<2e41.55c88849.a7e48.m0lep@hewett.org>
Message-ID: <CABOvax_g=8rBPg7OAYuMQmymNeJMJTqaeGgHVxUPecFsBWRHxw@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on the lifepo4. 4 in series gives an adequate voltage for most portable
ham radios. From just under 14v, til they emtpty at about 8v. Get or build
a pack with protection circuit as over charging an discharging  ruins them
pretty quickly. Tons of info on the web. Just google it.

As for antennas. Look at sotabeams, he i uk based and have a great
selection of portable wire antennas and the stuff you need if you want to
build your own. Lighter, cheaper and more efficient than the buddipole.
Take a look at an linked dipole for the bands you plan on using.

Good luck on you sota activation's. Hope to catch you on an s2s soon.

73

LA4TTA
Erlend

2015-08-10 13:17 GMT+02:00 Rick M0LEP <m0lep at hewett.org>:

> On Mon 10 Aug David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
> > Should I be looking at LiFePO4 batteries or Sealed Lead-Acid
> > batteries?
>
> You'll find quite a bit of discussion of batteries on the SOTA
> reflector, but apart from the cost, I can't see any obvious advantages
> of using SLABs any more.
>
> Choose an appropriate LiFePo and you'll have a battery delivering more
> power at a more useful voltage with rather less weight in your pack...
>
> Things get a bit more involved if you intend flying to foreign parts.
> Again, lots of advice on the SOTA reflector.
>
> --
> 73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
>
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From kk4oyj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 07:49:57 2015
From: kk4oyj at gmail.com (John Macrae)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:49:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <CABOvax_g=8rBPg7OAYuMQmymNeJMJTqaeGgHVxUPecFsBWRHxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
	<2e41.55c88849.a7e48.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<CABOvax_g=8rBPg7OAYuMQmymNeJMJTqaeGgHVxUPecFsBWRHxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGfPUrixLNQQfoa9q=GQyNnagJ8oyMAJVZoQKLGSkgtxvtc7rg@mail.gmail.com>

David, you might want to take a look at the article on this at arpoc.org.
the article is on the front page.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:48 Erlend Grimseid <egrimseid at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 on the lifepo4. 4 in series gives an adequate voltage for most portable
> ham radios. From just under 14v, til they emtpty at about 8v. Get or build
> a pack with protection circuit as over charging an discharging  ruins them
> pretty quickly. Tons of info on the web. Just google it.
>
> As for antennas. Look at sotabeams, he i uk based and have a great
> selection of portable wire antennas and the stuff you need if you want to
> build your own. Lighter, cheaper and more efficient than the buddipole.
> Take a look at an linked dipole for the bands you plan on using.
>
> Good luck on you sota activation's. Hope to catch you on an s2s soon.
>
> 73
>
> LA4TTA
> Erlend
>
> 2015-08-10 13:17 GMT+02:00 Rick M0LEP <m0lep at hewett.org>:
>
> > On Mon 10 Aug David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
> > > Should I be looking at LiFePO4 batteries or Sealed Lead-Acid
> > > batteries?
> >
> > You'll find quite a bit of discussion of batteries on the SOTA
> > reflector, but apart from the cost, I can't see any obvious advantages
> > of using SLABs any more.
> >
> > Choose an appropriate LiFePo and you'll have a battery delivering more
> > power at a more useful voltage with rather less weight in your pack...
> >
> > Things get a bit more involved if you intend flying to foreign parts.
> > Again, lots of advice on the SOTA reflector.
> >
> > --
> > 73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
> >
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From egan.dennis88 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 08:34:04 2015
From: egan.dennis88 at gmail.com (Dennis Egan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:34:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Line Out Audio
Message-ID: <CAOskpJF0qBGies4b72uh8Gc_Pu4EKFw=u-BmqcR8v=wV27ROgA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to second Peter's request, but let me explain it in a different
manner.   I'll use the terms "Rx audio" to mean the audio from the
receivers, and the "Tx Mon" to mean the audio that is being transmitted.;
you get a constant audio level output regardless of your AF setting.

Currently, the Line Out audio level is adjusted in the Config menu.  For
recording purposes, IMHO, it works correctly.  If you want to record just
the receive audio, it is fine. When you want to record the actual contest,
though, the receive audio alone isn't enough; you also need the Tx Mon
audio.   The Tx Mon audio that is mixed into the Line Out audio is varied by
the Tx Mon level control on the front panel.  If you turn the Mon control
fully counterclockwise, you have no Mon audio in your headset and no Mon
audio in the recording.

Why is this important?  As an SO2R operator, I use the Tx Mon audio for two
things: make sure I'm not sending gibberish, and as an audio cue that a
specific radio is done transmitting.  The Mon level is set so that I can
barely hear it in the headphone; many SO2R ops use the Mon in just that
manner, as does PC2A.  If you adjust the Mon gain in that manner, the Tx
Mon audio disappears from the recording.  In addition, many ops route the
mike audio through the soundcard so that they can do on-the-fly recording.
Many soundcards introduce enough latency into the process that listening to
yourself through the delay is very fatiguing; the easy solution is to turn
the Mon level so that you don't hear it.  When you do that, the Mon audio
disappears from the recording.

What we'd like to see is the transmitted audio, be it from cw sidetone or
digital signal or ssb audio, to be mixed into the Line Out audio at a level
that is not changed when the Mon control is adjusted.  The transmitted
audio level should be adjusted in step as part of the Line Out Config menu
selection.

With the new recording needs of CQWW, this should be implemented.

Dennis W1UE

Copy of PC2A message from several days ago.
======================================================
Message: 25
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:55:23 +0200
From: Peter <pc2a at pi4cc.nl>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fixed TX audio from the monitor
Message-ID: <55C73FAB.80201 at pi4cc.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi

A long standing wish is to get fixed level audio out from the audio
monitor for the K3
Some operators don't like there voice hearing and turn of the  audio
monitor low or off.
Result is a blank or weak  TX audio in the recording.
See http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-January/102536.html
The RX part is done a long time a go but till now no solution for the
TX part.

With the new rule of audio recording for the upcomming CQWW it pops up
again and I like to ask if its possible to add a fixed audio level
output for TX

 From http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm
*C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing
for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA
levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the
operator for the duration of the contest operation.

Are we not al winners in some kind of catagory? :-)

Peter
PC2A

From dd0vs at gmx.de  Mon Aug 10 11:56:11 2015
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:56:11 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [XV] Programming K3 for 47GHz
Message-ID: <1E270B09-8013-4A2C-8EB5-22F0CD6BD738@gmx.de>

Dear OMs,

I want to know what to do to program a k3 for usage on 47GHz.
How to overcome the limit of 24999MHz as stated in the manual?

Vy73
Harald
DD0VS

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug 10 13:14:13 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:14:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
Message-ID: <55C8DBE5.8050205@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,8/10/2015 3:45 AM, David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
> So, I am looking for advice on a portable power solution.  Should I bee looking at LiFePO4 batteries

Yes.

> or Sealed Lead-Acid batteries?

No.

> What are the pros and cons of each?

LiFePO4 gives more than double the Ah capacity for their weight, AND a 
far better discharge curve (that is, the battery voltage stays higher 
until it runs down). They are also a lot more expensive, but some 
battery vendors are a lot more expensive than others for the same product.

> How about charging them when they are not in use?  Should they be left to run down and then charged or kept continuously on a charger?

They should be charged using a proper charge controller.

> Are the Buddipole one any good

Buddipole is one of those too expensive vendors of LiFePO4 batteries.  
The good vendors in North America are 
http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries and 
http://www.batteryspace.com/128vlifepo4batterypacks.aspx  I bought a 
BLF-1220W from Bioenno. My neighbor bought a similar pack from Battery 
Space.

UN 38.3 is a safety Standard for Li batteries, and is required for air 
transport of batteries.

> (although I would have to source the same type here as they are not shippable across the pond!).

I suggest that you send email to those two good vendors and ask for 
suggestions about how to buy in the UK.

73, Jim K9YC

From Mike at ve3yf.com  Mon Aug 10 13:23:09 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with TX Monitor up and running
Message-ID: <mailman.196.1439227399.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

My TX Monitor arrived today. (Got to hate those customs charges). 
Installation went smoothly in less than 20 mins and once powered up, 
a couple of menu changes and everything
is working perfectly, Tnx to the crew at Elecraft for the TX Monitor 
option and the speedy shipping.....


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 13:55:39 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:55:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
Message-ID: <004301d0d395$c53754f0$4fa5fed0$@earthlink.net>

Let's stamp out this bad idea. ALWAYS recharge as soon as possible after
use. The further you discharge a battery the more you shorten its useful
lifetime. This is true of all battery technologies. I know you have heard
clueless vendors say you want to completely discharge a battery before
recharging. Perhaps they are trying to increase sales. Furthermore, larger
lithium type batteries are not only damaged by total discharge, they also
become unstable when totally discharged. They are potential bombs if totally
discharged. Therefore the manufacturers embed a microprocessor and a
discharge mechanism inside the battery so you can not totally discharge
these batteries if you wanted too. Yes the so called 'gas gage' may show
zero charge remaining. Internally there is really 20 to 30% charge you can
not access. 

This questionable practice of total discharge was started with NiCad
batteries in order to equalize charge. It didn't work and shortened battery
life so it was soon abandoned. Unfortunately many dealers did not get the
message.
73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
Bondy G4NRT
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:46 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
<Clip>
Should they be left to run down and then charged or kept continuously on a
charger?  
<Clip><


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug 10 14:46:42 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Wiehe via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:46:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor
Message-ID: <2144086046.2270253.1439232402831.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

My order arrived today and after reviewing the materials, installation took less than 30 minutes.Installed the Beta firmware and as usual it worked flawlessly.Thanks again to all the folks at Elecraft.Bill - W0BBI

From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 15:13:31 2015
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:13:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor For Sale
Message-ID: <1439234011580-7606183.post@n2.nabble.com>

Installed and uninstalled today.  Changed my mind on its necessity.  $185
shipped.  2K coupler.

Email direct at callsign at arrl.net

NW0M Mitch    



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Aug 10 15:45:57 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <55C8DBE5.8050205@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
	<55C8DBE5.8050205@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9D5D826B-0187-454F-9DA1-73AD8D1B3CCE@wunderwood.org>

For most SOTA activations, rechargeable AA?s inside the KX3 work fine. Eneloop XX are very good batteries. They might be labeled ?Eneloop Pro? in the UK. Look for a 2550 mAh Eneloop battery with low self discharge.

For the KX3, the internal battery charger is fine. For your other radios, you?ll need an external charger.

For the K1 and K2, external battery packs might not work as well. Some of them have high contact resistance and cannot provide enough current for transmit. I ran into that trying to power my IC-703 with an AA pack.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon,8/10/2015 3:45 AM, David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
>> So, I am looking for advice on a portable power solution.  Should I bee looking at LiFePO4 batteries
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> or Sealed Lead-Acid batteries?
> 
> No.
> 
>> What are the pros and cons of each?
> 
> LiFePO4 gives more than double the Ah capacity for their weight, AND a far better discharge curve (that is, the battery voltage stays higher until it runs down). They are also a lot more expensive, but some battery vendors are a lot more expensive than others for the same product.
> 
>> How about charging them when they are not in use?  Should they be left to run down and then charged or kept continuously on a charger?
> 
> They should be charged using a proper charge controller.
> 
>> Are the Buddipole one any good
> 
> Buddipole is one of those too expensive vendors of LiFePO4 batteries.  The good vendors in North America are http://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries and http://www.batteryspace.com/128vlifepo4batterypacks.aspx  I bought a BLF-1220W from Bioenno. My neighbor bought a similar pack from Battery Space.
> 
> UN 38.3 is a safety Standard for Li batteries, and is required for air transport of batteries.
> 
>> (although I would have to source the same type here as they are not shippable across the pond!).
> 
> I suggest that you send email to those two good vendors and ask for suggestions about how to buy in the UK.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Mon Aug 10 16:00:15 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:00:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Removal of small K3 knobs
Message-ID: <1439236815768-7606184.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm about to replace one of the small encoders on my K3 (as per these
instructions
http://www.n5na.net/s9y/index.php?/archives/26-Replacing-Elecraft-K3-Push-Button-Encoders.html),
but I have a hard time removing the four knobs for shift/low, hi/width,
speed/mic, and cmp/pwr. Is there a way to get them off their axes without
either scratching the front panel or breaking the knobs?

All tips and tricks are appreciated!



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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Mon Aug 10 16:44:37 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 13:44:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Removal of small K3 knobs
In-Reply-To: <1439236815768-7606184.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439236815768-7606184.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1439239477857-7606185.post@n2.nabble.com>

I finally made it by just persistently nudging and pulling them. In the end
they came off all four of them without any damage neither to the knobs nor
the front panel.


Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote
> Is there a way to get them off their axes without either scratching the
> front panel or breaking the knobs?





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From turnbull at net1.ie  Mon Aug 10 16:58:11 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:58:11 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3]  Fan noise cure
Message-ID: <0D5F4CD83C6F40E98D8D67F1AC782CC0@DOUG1>

Dear OMs and Yls,

     One of my K3 fans makes more noise than I care for whilst running just
65 Watts in CW mode.   I wonder if there is an easy fix for the existing
fan.  Maybe the only fix is a fan replacement?    Secondly how problematic
is it to remove the fans?   Does one need to rip out many components to get
to the fans.    I know I could start pulling the radio apart but someone
else may have a suggestion.   Yes I can read the assembly manual but perhaps
there is a shortcut.   It may not be worth the effort or perhaps I best wait
till the magic time when I order the new Preamplifier board to further
upgrade the K3.

 

     Thanks for any insight or advice.

 

                         73 Doug EI2CN


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 17:31:08 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Fan noise cure
In-Reply-To: <0D5F4CD83C6F40E98D8D67F1AC782CC0@DOUG1>
References: <0D5F4CD83C6F40E98D8D67F1AC782CC0@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <55C9181C.4060009@embarqmail.com>

Doug,

It is not really a problem to remove the fan.
Take the top cover off, remove the 4 screws holding the fan panel, 
unplug the fans (noting which connector goes where), and you may want to 
remove the leads to the circuit breaker.

Except for putting a new fan on the fan panel, that is all there is to 
it.  The lead length to the connector is different for each of the fans.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/10/2015 4:58 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> Dear OMs and Yls,
>
>       One of my K3 fans makes more noise than I care for whilst running just
> 65 Watts in CW mode.   I wonder if there is an easy fix for the existing
> fan.  Maybe the only fix is a fan replacement?    Secondly how problematic
> is it to remove the fans?   Does one need to rip out many components to get
> to the fans.    I know I could start pulling the radio apart but someone
> else may have a suggestion.   Yes I can read the assembly manual but perhaps
> there is a shortcut.   It may not be worth the effort or perhaps I best wait
> till the magic time when I order the new Preamplifier board to further
> upgrade the K3.
>
>


From k6eq at arrl.net  Mon Aug 10 18:10:59 2015
From: k6eq at arrl.net (Roger Gagos)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:10:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Up and Running
Message-ID: <CADLTMytz9LsHO=XTVXGEm6PiWkimaCkkuR-1pfjgyszaaCqeig@mail.gmail.com>

I finally decided to install the TX monitor in my P3 today which was the
first time I have used beta firmware.  All went fine with the load and the
monitor function works with the following exceptions:

1. dBm level modes end in "9" as noted earlier on this list.

2. The CW Split Screen waveform function was enabled by default and really
looks nice!  However, when I disabled it through the menu is seems to be
AWOL; it won't come back on again!

Beta means beta....

73,

Roger Gagos, K6EQ

From va3ztf at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 18:14:37 2015
From: va3ztf at gmail.com (JeremyJones)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:14:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuning Failure
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Ok,  I received the new diodes today and have installed them into the KAT100. 
Running the tests in CAL mode has the LED indicators on the KAT100 matching
what the display on the K2 reads, as well as matching the W2 watt meter.  Is
there anything else I should be looking at before starting to put things
back together?



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 18:27:36 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuning Failure
In-Reply-To: <1439244877338-7606189.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1437436750461-7605170.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55AD90C6.8000205@embarqmail.com>
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It sounds to me like all should be well.

As a refinement ---
If you have 2 50 ohm dummy loads and a coax TEE adapter, you could put 
the dummy loads in parallel to produce a 25 ohm dummy load. That will 
give you a sanity check on the Reflected trimmer pot calibration - 
adjust it to light the SWR=2 LED.

Note that the power and SWR displayed on the K2 come from the KPA100 and 
not the KAT100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/10/2015 6:14 PM, JeremyJones wrote:
> Ok,  I received the new diodes today and have installed them into the KAT100.
> Running the tests in CAL mode has the LED indicators on the KAT100 matching
> what the display on the K2 reads, as well as matching the W2 watt meter.  Is
> there anything else I should be looking at before starting to put things
> back together?
>


From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Aug 10 18:44:04 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Transmit Monitor Up and Running
In-Reply-To: <CADLTMytz9LsHO=XTVXGEm6PiWkimaCkkuR-1pfjgyszaaCqeig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADLTMytz9LsHO=XTVXGEm6PiWkimaCkkuR-1pfjgyszaaCqeig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C92934.6040207@sonic.net>

The "9" bug will be fixed in the next release.

CW Split is a toggle function.  Just select it again to turn it back on.

Alan N1AL


On 08/10/2015 03:10 PM, Roger Gagos wrote:
> I finally decided to install the TX monitor in my P3 today which was the
> first time I have used beta firmware.  All went fine with the load and the
> monitor function works with the following exceptions:
>
> 1. dBm level modes end in "9" as noted earlier on this list.
>
> 2. The CW Split Screen waveform function was enabled by default and really
> looks nice!  However, when I disabled it through the menu is seems to be
> AWOL; it won't come back on again!
>
> Beta means beta....
>
> 73,
>
> Roger Gagos, K6EQ
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Aug 10 19:00:57 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:00:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <CABOvax_g=8rBPg7OAYuMQmymNeJMJTqaeGgHVxUPecFsBWRHxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>	<2e41.55c88849.a7e48.m0lep@hewett.org>
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Message-ID: <55C92D29.80603@foothill.net>

I'm sure that LiFePO4 is by far the best choice for ham gear and 
weight.  I ran a 2.4 Ah 4S1P on my K2 on receive with a recording 
voltmeter knowing that the K2 would shut down before the battery was 
over-discharged.  Fully charged, it started at 14.2 V, which dropped to 
13.8 V very quickly ... ~20 min.  Thereafter, the voltage remained 
stable, declining very slowly and linearly until it reached about 12.1 
V, at which point it took on the glide angle of a brick and the K2 shut 
down.  This sequence took about 10 hours.  K2 receive drain was just 
over 200 mA ... I don't have many add-ons in it.

For my second test, I repeated the above watching for when the voltage 
reached 12.4 V.  At this point, I began to transmit [CW] into a dummy 
load at 5 watts output.  The battery maintained a useable voltage until 
it reached the sharp "knee" and the K2 died. IOW, because of the flat 
discharge curve I could still get usable energy from it [to transmit] 
even though it was nearly depleted.

I have a 5 Ah SLAB, and I conducted the same two tests.  It took longer 
on the RX-only test of course, but nowhere near twice as long as the 
LiFePO4.  The TX test, with the voltage at 11.9, shut down the K2 when I 
tapped the paddle once.

I conclude that I could get nearly as much total usable energy at usable 
voltages from the 2.4 Ah 4S1P as from the 5 Ah SLAB.  The SLAB may have 
twice the "rated" energy capacity as the LiFePO4, but its internal 
resistance is significantly higher.  When the voltage drop through that 
resistance reduces the voltage to an unusable value, the remaining 
energy might as well be stored on the moon.

There is a safety caveat with extremely low resistance battery chemistry 
such as LiFePO4 and Li-Poly:  With such microscopic internal resistance, 
they will deliver their entire energy capacity about as fast as the 
external circuit can accept it.  If the external circuit is a dead 
short, which may be close to the internal resistance, that can be 
upwards of 20C - 30C, where C is the capacity of the battery.  This can 
be good for a variety of electrical displays, none of which are 
particularly useful.

My 4S1P is TSA-certified for carry-on luggage.  Make sure there is 
absolutely no way the battery can be shorted and I think you're OK.

Fred K6DGW
--Northern California Contest Club
--CU in the Cal QSO Party
--3-4 Oct 2015

2015-08-10 13:17 GMT+02:00 Rick M0LEP <m0lep at hewett.org>:
>> On Mon 10 Aug David Bondy G4NRT wrote:
>>> Should I be looking at LiFePO4 batteries or Sealed Lead-Acid
>>> batteries?
>> You'll find quite a bit of discussion of batteries on the SOTA
>> reflector, but apart from the cost, I can't see any obvious advantages
>> of using SLABs any more.
>>
>> Choose an appropriate LiFePo and you'll have a battery delivering more
>> power at a more useful voltage with rather less weight in your pack...
>>
>> Things get a bit more involved if you intend flying to foreign parts.
>> Again, lots of advice on the SOTA reflector.
>>
>> --
>> 73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Aug 10 19:16:41 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:16:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Power
In-Reply-To: <55C8DBE5.8050205@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <C3F6E1A2-3D9F-4B39-A7E0-F88C88CF3A4E@g4nrt.com>
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On 8/10/2015 10:14 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,8/10/2015 3:45 AM, David Bondy G4NRT wrote:

> How about charging them when they are not in use?  Should they be left 
> to run down and then charged or kept continuously on a charger?
>
> They should be charged using a proper charge controller.
>
To expand on Jim's answer, LiFePO4 packs need to charged with a 
cell-balancing charger designed for LiFePO4's.  My battery plugs into 
the charger with a multi-conductor plug separate from the power leads 
that go to the radio.  The charger tells me the voltage on each cell as 
charging takes place.  For longest storage life, they like to be put 
away at about 85% or so charge.  My charger has a" LiFePO4 Storage" 
charge setting.

My charger is from Revolectrix, I can give you the model # if you want, 
we're moving and I need to go find it.

Fred K6DGW
--Northern California Contest Club
--CU in the Cal QSO Party
--3-4 Oct 2015


From ae6lx at worldwidedx.com  Mon Aug 10 20:10:32 2015
From: ae6lx at worldwidedx.com (Tim Tucker)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: Large padded Port-a-brace case perfect for
	your K3/K2
Message-ID: <CALuSmOeO7OB-VcD0PgVm=zTpmDqgMs0nwC4Ros_XngCnnrQGcg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Before I put this up on ebay, I thought I'd offer my Port-A-Brace camcorder
soft case up to the Elecraft community.  This is a very nice, durable soft
case with removable padding that is large enough to hold your K3, coax,
accessories, and everything else you probably need for a day in the field.
I've attached a link to the specific make / model, which retails for over
$200.

Mine is in excellent condition and I'm offering it for $125+shipping

https://www.studio-amg.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Porta-Brace-CS-DV4R

This is a great, padded case for any travel radio plans.

Tim
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AE6LX, Amateur Radio
AAR9GA, Army MARS

From va3ztf at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 20:25:10 2015
From: va3ztf at gmail.com (JeremyJones)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:25:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuning Failure
In-Reply-To: <55C92558.7090804@embarqmail.com>
References: <1437152723589-7605018.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Thanks Don.  The KPA 100 is still disconnected.  I have the base K2 with KAT2
connected to the KAT100 in the EC2 chassis.  This normally has the KPA100 on
top, but was removed as suggested to perform the troubleshooting.

I don't have an extra dummy load at this time, but I am going to see if I
can borrow one and test as you suggested.



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 10 22:01:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Tuning Failure
In-Reply-To: <1439252710141-7606195.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1437152723589-7605018.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1437684349495-7605262.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1439252710141-7606195.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Since you have the KPA100 disconnected and the KAT100 connected to the 
KIO2 for control, the KAT100 with the K2 ATA menu in CAL, you can 
calibrate the KAT100 much like the KAT2 for wattmeter balance and 
forward power.

Connect the K2 to the RF IN and a dummy load and inline wattmeter to ANT1.
Set the power to 8 or 10 watts, and do a TUNE.
Measure the voltage at U5 pin 5 and adjust C1 to achieve a minimum 
voltage - it should be close to zero volts.
Then set R3 (forward trimmer pot) so the K2 display agrees with the 
power indicated on the external wattmeter.

Since you do not have 25 ohm or 100 ohm dummy loads, power off the K2 
and measure the resistance from U5 pin 3 to ground.  Then multiply that 
resistance by 1.2 (remember that value).
Then measure the resistance between U5 pin 3 to ground and adjust R4 to 
produce the resistance value you calculated.

It does sound like you have things adjusted close to optimum, but a 
double check will do no harm.

If you do find another dummy load to create a 25 ohm dully load, you can 
touch up the R4 (REFL) trimmer pot to properly indicate an SWR of 2.0.
If by that time you have the KPA100 inline, you still can do it with the 
KPA100 "on it's back" to the right of the EC2 enclosure (supported on a 
boox or box about half the height of the enclosure).  If you do it with 
the KPA100 inline, adjust R4 so the KAT100 LEDs indicate an SWR of 2.0 
and ignore the K2 display.  With the KPA100 inline, the K2 display will 
show the power and SWR seen by the KPA100 wattmeter, not the KAT100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/10/2015 8:25 PM, JeremyJones wrote:
> Thanks Don.  The KPA 100 is still disconnected.  I have the base K2 with KAT2
> connected to the KAT100 in the EC2 chassis.  This normally has the KPA100 on
> top, but was removed as suggested to perform the troubleshooting.
>
> I don't have an extra dummy load at this time, but I am going to see if I
> can borrow one and test as you suggested.
>
>


From k9fd at flex.com  Tue Aug 11 00:31:44 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:31:44 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Transistor pads
In-Reply-To: <59C40CDD-6120-4933-B7DF-4C441CEE55CA@elecraft.com>
References: <CAAFJj=oQAvay14M+nHOk-sm7wXCc5q_o+NLgPRCUWUbn2_Fikg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59C40CDD-6120-4933-B7DF-4C441CEE55CA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55C97AB0.8040408@flex.com>

I was just updating my oldest K3 to the new Synth,  and a couple other mods,
one mod required the rear portion of the bottom plate be removed, I notice
there are no heatsink pads on the 3 transistors.
I do not have any on hand and there is nothing available on this island 
for sure,
Is it possible to use silicone heat sink goop,  a small layer to replace 
the pads?

Thanks  73 Merv  K9FD/KH6

From rfriess at usa.net  Tue Aug 11 01:40:14 2015
From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:40:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Transistor pads
In-Reply-To: <55C97AB0.8040408@flex.com>
References: <CAAFJj=oQAvay14M+nHOk-sm7wXCc5q_o+NLgPRCUWUbn2_Fikg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59C40CDD-6120-4933-B7DF-4C441CEE55CA@elecraft.com>
	<55C97AB0.8040408@flex.com>
Message-ID: <CAGG46AobjJnx2HDogF8i+o8GfEoGXQypfWq2v8_pt74F784X2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Merv,

Yes, heat sink compound will work fine.

73,

Bob, N6CM

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Merv Schweigert <k9fd at flex.com> wrote:

> I was just updating my oldest K3 to the new Synth,  and a couple other
> mods,
> one mod required the rear portion of the bottom plate be removed, I notice
> there are no heatsink pads on the 3 transistors.
> I do not have any on hand and there is nothing available on this island
> for sure,
> Is it possible to use silicone heat sink goop,  a small layer to replace
> the pads?
>
> Thanks  73 Merv  K9FD/KH6
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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Tue Aug 11 07:01:36 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:01:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
Message-ID: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de>

Gents,
with the last firmware release I'm struggling with diversity mode. I was 
running diversity for a very long time without any issues on my Xpol EME 
system (144 MHz). The main RX is fed with the H-Pol signal from my 
transverter #1 via KXV3-A, the sub RX is fed with the Vpol signal from 
transverter #2 at AUX input. Both transvertes are in exactly phase by a 
common GPS controlled LO. In diversity mode the signals were stereo at 
line out, with Hpol on left and Vpol at the right channel. It was 
exactly the same on my headphones.

With the latest firmware release there's no stereo signal at line out 
anymore and I recognize that strange "hum hum hum" phase shifting on my 
headphones. On line out there seems to be either a mono signal mixing 
both channels to one or just the main RX on both left and right. I can 
see this clearly on my WSJT system, when Hpol and Vpol signals are 
eaxctly the same now. There's no difference anymore, even that there 
must be some.

When diversity is off and main RX and sub RX are exactly on the same QRG 
things are like they were before: main RX on the left and sub RX on the 
right channel on both line out and headphones.

Anything worng with the latest firmware release, is this a new feature, 
a bug or is it me doing something wrong?

Have no idea.
73 Udo, DK5YA
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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Tue Aug 11 07:11:41 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:11:41 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de>
Message-ID: <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>

Sorry, forgot to mention: it's a K3 (serial 59xx) issue here.

Am 11.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Udo Langenohl - DK5YA:
> Gents,
> with the last firmware release I'm struggling with diversity mode. I was
> running diversity for a very long time without any issues on my Xpol EME
> system (144 MHz). The main RX is fed with the H-Pol signal from my
> transverter #1 via KXV3-A, the sub RX is fed with the Vpol signal from
> transverter #2 at AUX input. Both transvertes are in exactly phase by a
> common GPS controlled LO. In diversity mode the signals were stereo at
> line out, with Hpol on left and Vpol at the right channel. It was
> exactly the same on my headphones.
>
> With the latest firmware release there's no stereo signal at line out
> anymore and I recognize that strange "hum hum hum" phase shifting on my
> headphones. On line out there seems to be either a mono signal mixing
> both channels to one or just the main RX on both left and right. I can
> see this clearly on my WSJT system, when Hpol and Vpol signals are
> eaxctly the same now. There's no difference anymore, even that there
> must be some.
>
> When diversity is off and main RX and sub RX are exactly on the same QRG
> things are like they were before: main RX on the left and sub RX on the
> right channel on both line out and headphones.
>
> Anything worng with the latest firmware release, is this a new feature,
> a bug or is it me doing something wrong?
>
> Have no idea.
> 73 Udo, DK5YA

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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Tue Aug 11 07:54:28 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:54:28 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <55C9DDB1.9080800@nc.rr.com>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de> <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
	<55C9DDB1.9080800@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55C9E274.8040701@dk5ya.de>

Brian,

it is MCU 5.29 from June 16. 2015. I didn't try the latest beta yet.
Before I roll back to a former FW I'd like to share my thoughts and 
experiences cause its perhaps me doing something wrong.

73 Udo, DK5YA

Am 11.08.2015 um 13:34 schrieb brian:
> Hi Udo,
>
> Very nice setup.
>
> You don't say what firmware you are using.
> Can you revert back to an earlier version?
> If earlier firmware version works then you can blame the new firmware.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 11:11 AM, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote:
>> Sorry, forgot to mention: it's a K3 (serial 59xx) issue here.
>>
>> Am 11.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Udo Langenohl - DK5YA:
>>> Gents,
>>> with the last firmware release I'm struggling with diversity mode. I was
>>> running diversity for a very long time without any issues on my Xpol EME
>>> system (144 MHz). The main RX is fed with the H-Pol signal from my
>>> transverter #1 via KXV3-A, the sub RX is fed with the Vpol signal from
>>> transverter #2 at AUX input. Both transvertes are in exactly phase by a
>>> common GPS controlled LO. In diversity mode the signals were stereo at
>>> line out, with Hpol on left and Vpol at the right channel. It was
>>> exactly the same on my headphones.
>>>
>>> With the latest firmware release there's no stereo signal at line out
>>> anymore and I recognize that strange "hum hum hum" phase shifting on my
>>> headphones. On line out there seems to be either a mono signal mixing
>>> both channels to one or just the main RX on both left and right. I can
>>> see this clearly on my WSJT system, when Hpol and Vpol signals are
>>> eaxctly the same now. There's no difference anymore, even that there
>>> must be some.
>>>
>>> When diversity is off and main RX and sub RX are exactly on the same QRG
>>> things are like they were before: main RX on the left and sub RX on the
>>> right channel on both line out and headphones.
>>>
>>> Anything worng with the latest firmware release, is this a new feature,
>>> a bug or is it me doing something wrong?
>>>
>>> Have no idea.
>>> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>>
>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Aug 11 10:21:45 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 07:21:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <55C9E274.8040701@dk5ya.de>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de> <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
	<55C9E274.8040701@dk5ya.de>
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Udo,

the last release where it worked well for you was 5.14?

73 - Petr, OK1RP




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From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Tue Aug 11 10:49:33 2015
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r at cablespeed.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <728832369.33607869.1439304447689.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
Message-ID: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>

Thought of this when replying to an eHam post.  Has anyone tried using a tablet/cell phone screen protector on the Plexiglas screen cover to keep it from being scratched when hiking or camping?  Seems like one tablet screen protector should give you a few applications if necessary.

73
Greg
AB7R





From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 11 11:56:24 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mel Farrer via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:56:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
References: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
Message-ID: <602828945.2866051.1439308584318.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Good idea, but I did it a little different, I covered the screen with clear shipping tape.? A little careful getting all of the air bubbles from forming, but does a great job protecting the screen of the LCD..? No cost replacing it either. hi.

Mel, K6KBE

      From: "ab7r at cablespeed.com" <ab7r at cablespeed.com>
 To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:49 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
   
Thought of this when replying to an eHam post.? Has anyone tried using a tablet/cell phone screen protector on the Plexiglas screen cover to keep it from being scratched when hiking or camping?? Seems like one tablet screen protector should give you a few applications if necessary.

73
Greg
AB7R




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From q.g.collier at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 11 12:11:40 2015
From: q.g.collier at btinternet.com (QUENTIN COLLIER)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:11:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw:  K3- Line Out Audio
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I'd back this request too...For me, it's not a particularly high priority, but would certainly like to see it at some point!



73, Quin G3WRR
    ----- Forwarded Message -----
  From: Dennis Egan <egan.dennis88 at gmail.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015, 13:34
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Line Out Audio
   
I'm going to second Peter's request, but let me explain it in a different
manner.? I'll use the terms "Rx audio" to mean the audio from the
receivers, and the "Tx Mon" to mean the audio that is being transmitted.;
you get a constant audio level output regardless of your AF setting.

Currently, the Line Out audio level is adjusted in the Config menu.? For
recording purposes, IMHO, it works correctly.? If you want to record just
the receive audio, it is fine. When you want to record the actual contest,
though, the receive audio alone isn't enough; you also need the Tx Mon
audio.? The Tx Mon audio that is mixed into the Line Out audio is varied by
the Tx Mon level control on the front panel.? If you turn the Mon control
fully counterclockwise, you have no Mon audio in your headset and no Mon
audio in the recording.

Why is this important?? As an SO2R operator, I use the Tx Mon audio for two
things: make sure I'm not sending gibberish, and as an audio cue that a
specific radio is done transmitting.? The Mon level is set so that I can
barely hear it in the headphone; many SO2R ops use the Mon in just that
manner, as does PC2A.? If you adjust the Mon gain in that manner, the Tx
Mon audio disappears from the recording.? In addition, many ops route the
mike audio through the soundcard so that they can do on-the-fly recording.
Many soundcards introduce enough latency into the process that listening to
yourself through the delay is very fatiguing; the easy solution is to turn
the Mon level so that you don't hear it.? When you do that, the Mon audio
disappears from the recording.

What we'd like to see is the transmitted audio, be it from cw sidetone or
digital signal or ssb audio, to be mixed into the Line Out audio at a level
that is not changed when the Mon control is adjusted.? The transmitted
audio level should be adjusted in step as part of the Line Out Config menu
selection.

With the new recording needs of CQWW, this should be implemented.

Dennis W1UE

Copy of PC2A message from several days ago.
======================================================
Message: 25
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 13:55:23 +0200
From: Peter <pc2a at pi4cc.nl>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 fixed TX audio from the monitor
Message-ID: <55C73FAB.80201 at pi4cc.nl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi

A long standing wish is to get fixed level audio out from the audio
monitor for the K3
Some operators don't like there voice hearing and turn of the? audio
monitor low or off.
Result is a blank or weak? TX audio in the recording.
See http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2009-January/102536.html
The RX part is done a long time a go but till now no solution for the
TX part.

With the new rule of audio recording for the upcomming CQWW it pops up
again and I like to ask if its possible to add a fixed audio level
output for TX

 From http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm
*C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing
for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA
levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the
operator for the duration of the contest operation.

Are we not al winners in some kind of catagory? :-)

Peter
PC2A
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Tue Aug 11 12:24:23 2015
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:24:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <602828945.2866051.1439308584318.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
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Message-ID: <1439310263295-7606206.post@n2.nabble.com>

Not trying to promote any ones products, but I would want my buttons and
knobs protected as well and there fore I use a SideKX cover from Gem
products. Great product and a fellow ham



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 11 12:09:48 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <602828945.2866051.1439308584318.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
	<602828945.2866051.1439308584318.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55CA1E4C.3050600@embarqmail.com>

Except you may have to clean off the 'sticky goop' from the tape.
I would think sliding the KX3 into an old sock or something similar 
would provide adequate protection while transporting it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/11/2015 11:56 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:
> Good idea, but I did it a little different, I covered the screen with clear shipping tape.  A little careful getting all of the air bubbles from forming, but does a great job protecting the screen of the LCD..  No cost replacing it either. hi.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>        From: "ab7r at cablespeed.com" <ab7r at cablespeed.com>
>   To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:49 AM
>   Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
>     
> Thought of this when replying to an eHam post.  Has anyone tried using a tablet/cell phone screen protector on the Plexiglas screen cover to keep it from being scratched when hiking or camping?  Seems like one tablet screen protector should give you a few applications if necessary.
>
>


From ab7r at cablespeed.com  Tue Aug 11 12:46:29 2015
From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r at cablespeed.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <55CA1E4C.3050600@embarqmail.com>
References: <790691566.33607960.1439304573056.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>
	<602828945.2866051.1439308584318.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<55CA1E4C.3050600@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494311155.33623663.1439311589958.JavaMail.zimbra@cablespeed.com>

yes...and the side panels with folding cover are great too.  I was not referring to transport though...just a little extra protection when operating in the field (stumps, boulders....etc. :)  )


----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Wilhelm" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:09:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection

Except you may have to clean off the 'sticky goop' from the tape.
I would think sliding the KX3 into an old sock or something similar 
would provide adequate protection while transporting it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/11/2015 11:56 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:
> Good idea, but I did it a little different, I covered the screen with clear shipping tape.  A little careful getting all of the air bubbles from forming, but does a great job protecting the screen of the LCD..  No cost replacing it either. hi.
>
> Mel, K6KBE
>
>        From: "ab7r at cablespeed.com" <ab7r at cablespeed.com>
>   To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:49 AM
>   Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
>     
> Thought of this when replying to an eHam post.  Has anyone tried using a tablet/cell phone screen protector on the Plexiglas screen cover to keep it from being scratched when hiking or camping?  Seems like one tablet screen protector should give you a few applications if necessary.
>
>

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From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 11 12:55:00 2015
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:55:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Monitor For Sale
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Sold.



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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 11 12:55:52 2015
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:55:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Bypass?
In-Reply-To: <CD621F8D-D987-45C6-BE8B-284C9B9FF003@elecraft.com>
References: <CACYeN9zakGQ0LvGLP7=V3V5NvCgd9Kr9xdHH3KW-4DOPJ0ax7g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

No compensation is necessary. I have a Ridge Equipment dummy load on one of
my ports and it measures 1.02 with an LP-100A in SWR in bypass mode on 10m.

AB2TC - Knut


Dick Dievendorff-4 wrote
> The former. 
> 
> Dick, K6KR
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 9, 2015, at 18:17, Jim Miller &lt;

> jim@

> &gt; wrote:
>> 
>> When the KAT500 is in Bypass are all elements really bypassed?
>> 
>> Or are they bypassed with compensation for the internal paths?
>> 
>> Is there an internal bypass "calibration" required?
>> 
>> 73
>> 
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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Tue Aug 11 13:30:10 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:30:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Bypass?
In-Reply-To: <1439312152415-7606210.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CACYeN9zakGQ0LvGLP7=V3V5NvCgd9Kr9xdHH3KW-4DOPJ0ax7g@mail.gmail.com>	<CD621F8D-D987-45C6-BE8B-284C9B9FF003@elecraft.com>
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I once did a TDR measurement of the "distance" between the input and 
output in bypass mode.
It comes out to be about 18".    Interesting,  I would have expected 
much less.

73 de Brian/K3KO
On 8/11/2015 16:55 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No compensation is necessary. I have a Ridge Equipment dummy load on one of
> my ports and it measures 1.02 with an LP-100A in SWR in bypass mode on 10m.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Dick Dievendorff-4 wrote
>> The former.
>>
>> Dick, K6KR
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2015, at 18:17, Jim Miller &lt;
>> jim@
>> &gt; wrote:
>>> When the KAT500 is in Bypass are all elements really bypassed?
>>>
>>> Or are they bypassed with compensation for the internal paths?
>>>
>>> Is there an internal bypass "calibration" required?
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
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From kf7gc at arrl.net  Tue Aug 11 13:52:18 2015
From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:52:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
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Still have my almost loaded K2-100 for sale.Great package of stuff.Please contact me for more information928-710-9231 ?kf7gc at arrl.net?73! Tomy KF7GC


From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 15:32:30 2015
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed Goss)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
Message-ID: <CAArR19U+9Qb8R+-T9MOyRqyDYoTf0eigEewf-hEGffGz4cBpog@mail.gmail.com>

Be aware that most tapes such as shipping tape will generate many thousands
of volts due to ESD effects when the tape is pulled off the surface it is
stuck to.
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From sales at elecraft.com  Tue Aug 11 15:47:20 2015
From: sales at elecraft.com (Lisa Jones - Elecraft Sales)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:47:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Huntxville and Boxboro Hamfests
Message-ID: <55CA5148.3070006@elecraft.com>

The  late summer/fall  Hamfest Season is gearing up. Elecraft will be 
attending several Hamfests in the near future and could use some booth help
if anyone is available and willing to put in a few hours. Please reply 
directly to lisa at elecraft.com

1. Huntsville Hamfest  - Aug. 15 and 16 ( sorry for the short notice)

If anyone is attending and would like to spend a few hours in booth 
please let me know.


2. Boxboro 2015  - Aug 22-23

Again, if anyone is attending and has a few hours to spare to help at 
the booth, please let me know.


Thank you!

Lisa


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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 16:12:59 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:12:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <1439302905938-7606202.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de> <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
	<55C9E274.8040701@dk5ya.de> <1439302905938-7606202.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc2JubcLCbP1z8oR9PWhG4+5QJoVvX90CaOC79z37MMSGg@mail.gmail.com>

Make sure that you have correctly set the RX states controlled with RX ANT
and ANT.

Sometimes when you upgrade firmware, things like which antenna you were
listening on get lost.

73, Guy K2AV.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:21 AM, ok1rp <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:

> Udo,
>
> the last release where it worked well for you was 5.14?
>
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
>
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 18:33:14 2015
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:33:14 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] DXpedition case K3s fit question
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRV=7PjOXsomMniC_nnCUh3WpYaZHf+r-o7WQ+Dtw6vy4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Do any of you new K3s owners have one of my
DXpedition K3 cases with the foam end cap kit?

If so, do the end caps fit the K3s OK?  I don't think
there are any differences that would impact the fit
of the front or back end caps, but I'd like to conform
this.

Thank you, and ...

73!

Rose - N7HKW
ElecraftCovers at gmail.com

From wb4ooa at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 19:00:15 2015
From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Bug?
Message-ID: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>

My P3TXMON scope display is not performing as it should, while I am talking
in SSB mode. 

Frequently the display will go to a straight line with vertical signals that
are very narrow. 
It looks almost like it is switching to a very wide span or the time base is
changing frequency.  
This will continue until I stop transmitting, then it will be ok for a
while, then does it again.

A friend is also experiencing this same bug on his P3TXMON.  

Anyone experiencing this same thing? 

Ron Durie
WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line



From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Tue Aug 11 19:02:52 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:02:52 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de> <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
Message-ID: <55CA7F1C.1010302@dk5ya.de>

Problem solved. Internal antenna routing messed up completely after 
upgrading to the latest firmware. I've reloaded an old configuration 
saved with a very old firmware (from May 2013) after the upgrade. That 
was a bad idea.
Call me SRU... (stupid radio user) :-) ... my fault.

Thanks to all that replied.

73 Udo, DK5YA

Am 11.08.2015 um 13:11 schrieb Udo Langenohl - DK5YA:
> Sorry, forgot to mention: it's a K3 (serial 59xx) issue here.
>
> Am 11.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Udo Langenohl - DK5YA:
>> Gents,
>> with the last firmware release I'm struggling with diversity mode. I was
>> running diversity for a very long time without any issues on my Xpol EME
>> system (144 MHz). The main RX is fed with the H-Pol signal from my
>> transverter #1 via KXV3-A, the sub RX is fed with the Vpol signal from
>> transverter #2 at AUX input. Both transvertes are in exactly phase by a
>> common GPS controlled LO. In diversity mode the signals were stereo at
>> line out, with Hpol on left and Vpol at the right channel. It was
>> exactly the same on my headphones.
>>
>> With the latest firmware release there's no stereo signal at line out
>> anymore and I recognize that strange "hum hum hum" phase shifting on my
>> headphones. On line out there seems to be either a mono signal mixing
>> both channels to one or just the main RX on both left and right. I can
>> see this clearly on my WSJT system, when Hpol and Vpol signals are
>> eaxctly the same now. There's no difference anymore, even that there
>> must be some.
>>
>> When diversity is off and main RX and sub RX are exactly on the same QRG
>> things are like they were before: main RX on the left and sub RX on the
>> right channel on both line out and headphones.
>>
>> Anything worng with the latest firmware release, is this a new feature,
>> a bug or is it me doing something wrong?
>>
>> Have no idea.
>> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>

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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Aug 11 19:25:22 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Bug?
In-Reply-To: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>
References: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CA8462.6060005@sonic.net>

It will do that if the K3 is in transmit mode but with no power coming 
out.  The P3 auto-scales the modulation display amplitude, so if there 
is no signal it jacks the gain way up and you see quantized noise.

The next version of P3 firmware will limit the maximum gain so you don't 
see so much noise in that situation.

Alan N1AL


On 08/11/2015 04:00 PM, Ron Durie wrote:
> My P3TXMON scope display is not performing as it should, while I am talking
> in SSB mode.
>
> Frequently the display will go to a straight line with vertical signals that
> are very narrow.
> It looks almost like it is switching to a very wide span or the time base is
> changing frequency.
> This will continue until I stop transmitting, then it will be ok for a
> while, then does it again.
>
> A friend is also experiencing this same bug on his P3TXMON.
>
> Anyone experiencing this same thing?
>
> Ron Durie
> WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line
>
>
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From K2TK at att.net  Tue Aug 11 19:49:35 2015
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Fan noise cure
In-Reply-To: <55C9181C.4060009@embarqmail.com>
References: <0D5F4CD83C6F40E98D8D67F1AC782CC0@DOUG1>
	<55C9181C.4060009@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CA8A0F.5060705@att.net>

Hi Doug,

              If noise is the issue you might want to search the archives. Some 
time back a fellow posted information on a replacement Noctua fan that had more 
CFM output but was quieter than the original per the specs.

               So if replacement is required then possibly the replacement could 
also be a upgrade.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR.

On 8/10/2015 5:31 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Doug,
>
> It is not really a problem to remove the fan.
> Take the top cover off, remove the 4 screws holding the fan panel, unplug the 
> fans (noting which connector goes where), and you may want to remove the leads 
> to the circuit breaker.
>
> Except for putting a new fan on the fan panel, that is all there is to it.  
> The lead length to the connector is different for each of the fans.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/10/2015 4:58 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>> Dear OMs and Yls,
>>
>>       One of my K3 fans makes more noise than I care for whilst running just
>> 65 Watts in CW mode.   I wonder if there is an easy fix for the existing
>> fan.  Maybe the only fix is a fan replacement?    Secondly how problematic
>> is it to remove the fans?   Does one need to rip out many components to get
>> to the fans.    I know I could start pulling the radio apart but someone
>> else may have a suggestion.   Yes I can read the assembly manual but perhaps
>> there is a shortcut.   It may not be worth the effort or perhaps I best wait
>> till the magic time when I order the new Preamplifier board to further
>> upgrade the K3.
>>


From challinan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 20:44:05 2015
From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:44:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect command
	interpretation
Message-ID: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Tonight I turned on my 8-month old K3, and went to switch from 80m to 40m.
Pressing the right side of the BAND rocker switch, the radio began
incorrectly interpreting different commands, and the behavior was
repeatable even after power cycle.  First couple of presses changed modes.
Next press engaged the NR icon.  Third press resulted in the message "NO
ATU" in the VFO-B window.

BAND-Down seems to be OK.

The only thing "different" is I just added a P3 to my setup, and while
doing so, I upgraded to the latest released firmware using the K3 utility
program.

After some more pressing of the band up function, it seems to have come
back to normal.  Come to think of it, this is not the first time I've run
into a confused command after a button press, but I've ignored them until
now.

Anyone else seen similar behavior?

Chris

-- 
Life is like Linux - it never stands still.

From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 20:48:58 2015
From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:48:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
Message-ID: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>

I use this.  Better check the size

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/16160-REG/Domke_722_15R_15x15_Color_Coded_Protective.html

From ke1b at richseifert.com  Tue Aug 11 20:56:11 2015
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (KE1B)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>


Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec rather than the Line-in or Mic-in? I don?t see that choice in the menu.

Conversely, is there any way for N1MM+/MMTTY to send ASCII data to the K3S for FSK transmission. I don?t think they are set up to do that. What I am trying to get is a one-cable (USB) solution for all modes. (CW works fine with RTS/DTR over USB.)

Rich KE1B 

From lists at subich.com  Tue Aug 11 21:17:16 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 21:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>
Message-ID: <55CA9E9C.4010707@subich.com>


On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
 >
 > Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
 > rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?

Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
no connection to the Line In jack.

Mode         = DATA
SubMode      = AFSK A
MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering

The same settings work for other digital modes with DATA A
substituted for AFSK A.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
>
> Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
> rather than the Line-in or Mic-in? I don?t see that choice in the
> menu.
>
> Conversely, is there any way for N1MM+/MMTTY to send ASCII data to
> the K3S for FSK transmission. I don?t think they are set up to do
> that. What I am trying to get is a one-cable (USB) solution for all
> modes. (CW works fine with RTS/DTR over USB.)
>
> Rich KE1B

From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 21:18:46 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>
Message-ID: <55CA9EF6.9050803@gmail.com>

See below

> Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec rather than the Line-in or Mic-in? I don?t see that choice in the menu.
Yes, use LINE IN and don't plug any cable into the LINE IN jack on the 
back of the radio.  it will then use the USB.

> Conversely, is there any way for N1MM+/MMTTY to send ASCII data to the K3S for FSK transmission. I don?t think they are set up to do that. What I am trying to get is a one-cable (USB) solution for all modes. (CW works fine with RTS/DTR over USB.)

You can use AFSK over the USB as above.

73,

Lyle KK7P


From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 21:25:18 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 01:25:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect
	command	interpretation
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DEA668B-5E67-4E54-8972-A93462059CC2@gmail.com>

Chris, 
I had the same issue with the band down side.  With the power off, I just rapidly and aggressively pushed on the band down side with moderate pressure -- maybe 20 times.  The switch seemed to be sticky when new.  The issue returns if the button is partly depressed in haste. 

Elecraft support advised me I was the first to report this and if I sent it back, they would test the unit's functionality.  I decided not to do that due to shipping cost--for such a trivial issue-waiting for it to fail completely. 

Warren, KD4Z
K3 #8902


On August 11, 2015 8:44:05 PM EDT, Chris Hallinan <challinan at gmail.com> wrote:
>Tonight I turned on my 8-month old K3, and went to switch from 80m to
>40m.
>Pressing the right side of the BAND rocker switch, the radio began
>incorrectly interpreting different commands, and the behavior was
>repeatable even after power cycle.  First couple of presses changed
>modes.
>Next press engaged the NR icon.  Third press resulted in the message
>"NO
>ATU" in the VFO-B window.
>
>BAND-Down seems to be OK.
>
>The only thing "different" is I just added a P3 to my setup, and while
>doing so, I upgraded to the latest released firmware using the K3
>utility
>program.
>
>After some more pressing of the band up function, it seems to have come
>back to normal.  Come to think of it, this is not the first time I've
>run
>into a confused command after a button press, but I've ignored them
>until
>now.
>
>Anyone else seen similar behavior?
>
>Chris
>
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From anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp  Tue Aug 11 21:27:44 2015
From: anchor at chorus.ocn.ne.jp (Nakamura)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:27:44 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3 Sync-AM Support
Message-ID: <1D5FA8DE-70DC-4DB7-B9FF-F8C4A661E2EB@chorus.ocn.ne.jp>

Hi All

We are waiting for the KX3 SYNC-AM function. 

How many months does it take for a debut SYNC-AM?

73,

JE0LFI / nakamura


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 11 21:42:49 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 21:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect
	command	interpretation
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE5525D7-E0DB-46F8-AC76-DD86B717B71F@carolinaheli.com>

Get Elecraft blessing first, however, a quality electrical contact cleaner with plastic safe contact lubricant will likely help. Check with Elecraft before using anything.

Jerry Moore
K3S future owner

On August 11, 2015 8:44:05 PM EDT, Chris Hallinan <challinan at gmail.com> wrote:
>Tonight I turned on my 8-month old K3, and went to switch from 80m to
>40m.
>Pressing the right side of the BAND rocker switch, the radio began
>incorrectly interpreting different commands, and the behavior was
>repeatable even after power cycle.  First couple of presses changed
>modes.
>Next press engaged the NR icon.  Third press resulted in the message
>"NO
>ATU" in the VFO-B window.
>
>BAND-Down seems to be OK.
>
>The only thing "different" is I just added a P3 to my setup, and while
>doing so, I upgraded to the latest released firmware using the K3
>utility
>program.
>
>After some more pressing of the band up function, it seems to have come
>back to normal.  Come to think of it, this is not the first time I've
>run
>into a confused command after a button press, but I've ignored them
>until
>now.
>
>Anyone else seen similar behavior?
>
>Chris
>
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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Tue Aug 11 21:49:37 2015
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CAA631.8030301@wi.rr.com>

Search on Google for

"LCD Protective Film"

Buy a piece large enough and cut to size.

On 8/11/2015 7:48 PM, Richard Donner wrote:
> I use this.  Better check the size
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/16160-REG/Domke_722_15R_15x15_Color_Coded_Protective.html
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>
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> ************************************************

From phystad at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 22:06:08 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:06:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at times)
Message-ID: <FB8854FE-03EA-40C3-BEA6-FB4F7BEC9305@mac.com>

Does this happy to anyone else with the new TX Monitor??

My TX monitor sensor sits between my KPA500 and the KAT500 and since I have installed it and had it up and running I have had more than my average spurts of high SWR.  For example, a key down may cause this spurt but just a moment later the SWR is fine at is usual 1.4:1 or so for this particular antenna.  I have only noticed this on 80-meter band and I have my KAT500 fully programmed for each segment and also I run the KAT500 in manual mode.  

I only see this on CW but that is the only thing I have done since having the TX monitor set up except for one time of saying ?test, test, test? into the mic to see the TX SSB waveform.

Usually, I don?t have any hassles with high SWR spurts on this antenna with the KAT500 and that is why I am thinking there may be some new kind of interference with the sensor in line like maybe brief periods where the Load side which is input to KAT500 does not look like 50 ohms.

Thanks for your comments.

73, phil, K7PEH


From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 22:33:19 2015
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:33:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect
	commandinterpretation
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68EB5EF8177D4713855110389AE1A7A9@Toshiba>

There have been problems with the pushbutton switches in the four
controls to the left of the main VFO knob (e.g. speed/mic).  Push
the buttons and twiddle the shafts of these controls for two
minutes each, and the problem will probably not recur.  When
these controls fail, they cause multiple addressing problems.

I had a similar problem a couple years ago, and ordered four
replacement encoder/switches, which are surprisingly inexpensive.
When I went to actually do the job, it looked nasty, and I never
replaced them.  The problem has never recurred.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Hallinan
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:44 PM
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect
commandinterpretation

Tonight I turned on my 8-month old K3, and went to switch from
80m to 40m.
Pressing the right side of the BAND rocker switch, the radio
began
incorrectly interpreting different commands, and the behavior was
repeatable even after power cycle.  First couple of presses
changed modes.
Next press engaged the NR icon.  Third press resulted in the
message "NO
ATU" in the VFO-B window.

BAND-Down seems to be OK.

The only thing "different" is I just added a P3 to my setup, and
while
doing so, I upgraded to the latest released firmware using the K3
utility
program.

After some more pressing of the band up function, it seems to
have come
back to normal.  Come to think of it, this is not the first time
I've run
into a confused command after a button press, but I've ignored
them until
now.

Anyone else seen similar behavior?

Chris

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From ke1b at richseifert.com  Tue Aug 11 23:16:18 2015
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (KE1B)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:16:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55CA9E9C.4010707@subich.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

> 
> On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
>> rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?
> 
> Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
> no connection to the Line In jack.
> 
> Mode         = DATA
> SubMode      = AFSK A
> MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
> Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering
> 

I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no data diddling.

Rich KE1B



From tk at nk4i.com  Tue Aug 11 23:20:48 2015
From: tk at nk4i.com (Tighe Kuykendall)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 23:20:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A Upgrade Observations
Message-ID: <55CABB90.6040307@nk4i.com>


Interesting observations after upgrading my K3 to the KSYN3A this evening.

1. I was already running 5.14 firmware.  After installation I upgraded 
to 5.29 but the DSP was already at 2.83 so I only sent the MCU and FPF 
firmware. After the upgrade I started getting ERR DSE. Reflash of all 
firmware corrected the problem.

2. I had recent success with the TX gain calibration for the 5.14 
upgrade.  After fixing the ERR DSE issue with the firmware reload, the 
5w TX gain calibration failed on 40m with error of it settling on 5.4w. 
  I'm using the latest K3 utility on a Mac to perform the calibration. 
I ran it again with the same result but this time proceeded on to the 
50w calibration which succeeded.  I then re-ran the 5w calibration and 
it was successful.

All is working well now and I'm happy with the upgrade.

Tighe
NK4I


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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Tue Aug 11 23:32:47 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:32:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect
 commandinterpretation
In-Reply-To: <68EB5EF8177D4713855110389AE1A7A9@Toshiba>
References: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<68EB5EF8177D4713855110389AE1A7A9@Toshiba>
Message-ID: <55CABE5F.3010401@socal.rr.com>

Clever, Dave. Trouble you prepare for seldom 
happens, I've heard :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/11/15 7:33 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> I had a similar problem a couple years ago, and 
> ordered four
> replacement encoder/switches, which are 
> surprisingly inexpensive.
> When I went to actually do the job, it looked 
> nasty, and I never
> replaced them.  The problem has never recurred.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ


From g1mhu at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 12 04:41:07 2015
From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:41:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 screen protection
In-Reply-To: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB112-DS683245607B232A37342A2E97E0@phx.gbl>

I buy I-pad  screen protectors, then cut to size..
I also use them on the roof of my car to protect the roof from scratches 
when I use a mag mount..

Robin G1MHU



From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:25:18 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:25:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange bandswitch behavior - incorrect command
	interpretation
In-Reply-To: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAME0jBR6z2Nhgt1ixhRFps0iH7RhxUbp0_E4_64BMi8=QU7t2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1439371518507-7606236.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

I had the same problems on my old K3 #778.
The encoder/switches replacement solved this issue.

73 - Petr, OK1RP





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From n9bx73 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:37:59 2015
From: n9bx73 at gmail.com (Bruce Osterberg)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 05:37:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with internal 144XV 2 meter transverter
Message-ID: <55CB13F7.8030604@gmail.com>

If the internal transverter is adjusted for 1.0MW output max, what power 
should I see out of the rig at antenna connection 3?  RF power on Meter 
shows full scale but that is in Milliwatts not watts.  Also display just 
says ANT, not ANT 3 or should it.  Thank you.

Bruce N9BX 73

From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:39:05 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:39:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Struggling with diversity mod
In-Reply-To: <55CA7F1C.1010302@dk5ya.de>
References: <55C9D610.4000300@dk5ya.de> <55C9D86D.9010107@dk5ya.de>
	<55CA7F1C.1010302@dk5ya.de>
Message-ID: <1439372345074-7606237.post@n2.nabble.com>

Udo,

happy to hear that it was not the real problem just bad config.

Not SRU my friend as we can draw a lesson from that issue... "check the
config after the sw update first".

Many thanks for sharing it.

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:41:36 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:41:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Fan noise cure
In-Reply-To: <55CA8A0F.5060705@att.net>
References: <0D5F4CD83C6F40E98D8D67F1AC782CC0@DOUG1>
	<55C9181C.4060009@embarqmail.com> <55CA8A0F.5060705@att.net>
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Hi Bob,

it sounds really interresting. I realized that my K3 after huge upgrade and
now is really fully loaded is quite hot even in idle (RX mode). The PA/FP
temp is stabilized to 38-40C in RX idle when the FAN1 speed is selected but
when I touching the cabinet sides it is quite hot. So the more CFM powerfull
and even quieter fan looks like great upgrade. 

There is the link:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Fan-Replacement-td7592075.html#a7592266

Best regards,
73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From iw1ayd at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 06:41:08 2015
From: iw1ayd at gmail.com (Salvatore Irato)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:41:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
Message-ID: <CAAhLcE7855bTZxJXBauB1d2pXKSz2RA-BobaSjzsY0DZqDmhSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi rich and all.
Maybe you have selected the wrong audio output device. You need to
change it accordingly to the new K3S USB audio interface that appeared
when the USB was inserted ... and the driver was inserted.

Maybe you have the audio generator AFSK level (inside the program i.e.
MMTTY) or the USB audio level for the proper interface way down.

But, more ... that's the best candidate!
Maybe you have something other wron as you wrote that you are getting
a pure carrier. This would mean that you are still setup as FSK and
are getting the mark carrier without the diddling to shift carrier ...
this mean that yours radio still wait for FSK manipulation and not for
the AFSK tones in input.
Having the radio properly setup for AFSK audio tones input will give
you nothing when in TX without tones, no carrier I mean. No audio no
RF ouput.
The AFSK audio tones gives you the proper RF output as on SSB.
Contrarily when you have the FSK submode setup you get plenty of RF
but no diddles if there is not manipulation in between tones.

UR radio is FSK, UR computer is AFSK. Isn't?

I would double check the Radio SubMode and after the interface, levels
setups whatever they live.

 Have a check and let us know, pse.

         73 de iw1ayd Salvo

PS use again the Joe's advice and list on the radio side. SubMode
seems to be the key in your case at least from here.


>Message: 27
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:16:18 -0700
>From: KE1B <ke1b at richseifert.com>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
>Message-ID: <4DA7B493-9C16-4231-8664-0CDD25E8D69C at richseifert.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


>On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
>> rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?
>
> Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
> no connection to the Line In jack.
>
> Mode         = DATA
> SubMode      = AFSK A
> MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
> Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering
>

>I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no data diddling.

>Rich KE1B

From ve3iay at storm.ca  Wed Aug 12 08:09:26 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:09:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
Message-ID: <55CB3776.5080500@storm.ca>

Following up on Salvo's post: Rich, I believe you said you are using 
N1MM+. If that is the case, open the N1MM+ Configurer, select the Mode 
Control tab, and on the right side, look to see what is selected for 
"Mode sent to radio" for RTTY. If this is set to RTTY, N1MM+ will put 
the K3S into FSK D mode, which will result in an unmodulated carrier if 
there is nothing connected to the FSK pin on the AUX connector on the 
K3S. To use AFSK A, change the "Mode sent to radio" to AFSK.

73,
Rich VE3KI


IW1AYD wrote:

> UR radio is FSK, UR computer is AFSK. Isn't?
>
> I would double check the Radio SubMode


From dd0vs at gmx.de  Wed Aug 12 08:40:07 2015
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with internal 144XV 2 meter transverter
In-Reply-To: <55CB13F7.8030604@gmail.com>
References: <55CB13F7.8030604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10E68A10-23E4-4C10-B3DA-4413B9EA0CBE@gmx.de>

GM,
I had the same question a month before (in another forum).

Output depends on gain adjustment with R87, see k3 schematic. Which seems to be set to full gain from factory side.
If so, the 1mW overdrives the transverter, so you should see full 10W on ant 3 only.

I used the Elecraft Dummy load for measurement and adjustment.

HW?

Vy73
Harald DD0VS



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> Am 12.08.2015 um 11:37 schrieb Bruce Osterberg <n9bx73 at gmail.com>:
> 
> If the internal transverter is adjusted for 1.0MW output max, what power should I see out of the rig at antenna connection 3?  RF power on Meter shows full scale but that is in Milliwatts not watts.  Also display just says ANT, not ANT 3 or should it.  Thank you.
> 
> Bruce N9BX 73
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From lists at subich.com  Wed Aug 12 08:51:40 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:51:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <B24DC407-1918-40A9-AAB5-DADDA9FEE284@richseifert.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7+gpcuc-phNTqj635XV3WGTAg+UK6vgWAEeSsH6pBLXwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<517FACF7-E8DF-4A85-A9CC-1BFACE759C51@richseifert.com>
	<55CA9E9C.4010707@subich.com>
	<B24DC407-1918-40A9-AAB5-DADDA9FEE284@richseifert.com>
Message-ID: <55CB415C.7020103@subich.com>


If you get a pure carrier you either have the data sub-mode
(AFX hold) set to FSK_D or your data program is not operating
correctly (generating a single tone).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/11/2015 11:06 PM, Rich Seifert wrote:
>
> On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 8:56 PM, KE1B wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any way for the K3S to take its audio from the USB codec
>>> rather than the Line-in or Mic-in?
>>
>> Exactly the same configuration as AFSK with audio via Line In but
>> no connection to the Line In jack.
>>
>> Mode         = DATA
>> SubMode      = AFSK A
>> MENU:Mic Sel = Line In
>> Mic gain set for four bars of ALC with fifth bar flickering
>>
>
> I have that configuration, but when I transmit, I only get a pure carrier, no data diddling.
>
> Rich KE1B
>
>
>

From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 09:20:29 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:20:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
Message-ID: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>

I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. When I
transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, the P3 that
does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the transmit envelope..
This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is the
MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??

 

Clyde Scott - W4CCS

Moultrie, GA - EM81cg

 


From lists at subich.com  Wed Aug 12 09:29:54 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:29:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
Message-ID: <55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>


As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal
levels.  You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully
at low levels.

Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. When I
> transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, the P3 that
> does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the transmit envelope..
> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is the
> MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>
>
>
> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>
> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>
>
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 09:54:57 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:54:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
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Joe:

You are correct Sir.. Lower to power output from the K3#1 to below 15 watts,
and I see no reaction on K3#2 P3 TX Mon..

Don't know of a way to fix this..!! It is very annoying..

W4CCS

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As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.

Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. When 
> I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, the P3 
> that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the transmit
envelope..
> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is 
> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>
>
>
> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>
> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>
>
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 10:09:45 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
Message-ID: <002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>

Sorry, I did not answer your question..

Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..

CCS

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question


As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.

Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. When 
> I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, the P3 
> that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the transmit
envelope..
> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is 
> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>
>
>
> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>
> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>
>
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Wed Aug 12 10:28:28 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:28:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
 times)
Message-ID: <mailman.202.1439389716.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Phil:

I have the same setup but only 1 x P3. A K3 and P3 on my left setup 
and a K3 on the right setup using a MK2R+ and I noticed what you 
mention only once. I was on 80m with
the Right K3 and I saw a brief Power and SWR spike on the Left P3 and 
K3. I might have had a bit of SWR on the standalone Right K3. I have 
not noticed it happen since, it might
be a band/swr specific issue ie, as I was operating around 3800 and 
the antenna is designed for the CW and RTTY portion of the band. The 
Left side radio was on 160m Sloper




73 De Mike
VE3YF

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 12 10:35:35 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
Message-ID: <55CB59B7.2040801@embarqmail.com>

Assuming you have separate antennas for each K3, my guess is that the 
power is actually coming in from the non-transmit antenna.
To the directional coupler, that would indicate as a high SWR - no power 
from the transmitter, but power coming from the antenna equals infinite SWR.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>
> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>
> CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
>
> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>
> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>


From lists at subich.com  Wed Aug 12 10:51:25 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
Message-ID: <55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>


Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
lacks sufficient isolation.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>
> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>
> CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
>
> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>
> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. When
>> I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, the P3
>> that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the transmit
> envelope..
>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is
>> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>
>>
>>
>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>
>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>
>>
>>
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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 11:10:19 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:10:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
	times)
In-Reply-To: <20150812142923.96854149AF32@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150812142923.96854149AF32@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1BFED7F4-18FD-4675-A1DA-F72210E9EA9D@mac.com>

Mike,

Thanks for the comment.  I only have one K3 with one P3.  My configuration is:

     K3/P3 ?>  KPA500 ?> TX Mon Sensor ?> LP100A Sensor ?> KAT500 ?> 80-meter Dipole

I first noticed the spike with the RED LEDs on both the KAT500 and the KPA500.  I was not looking
at the SWR display on the P3 although the second time I did notice that it too spiked (max reading).

Like I said, I was operating CW and when I sent just the first dit of a QNI into a CW net the spike occurred.
I stopped, and then keyed again and everything was normal.  The second time that I did this, I thought that
maybe the spike was momentary and continued keying but the second or third key down action (actually, a paddle)
resulted in fault with the KPA500.

Last night, I did not have any problems at all because I disconnected the TX Mon sensor.  I will continue
experimenting though as I don?t have too many data points yet to draw conclusions.

73, phil, K7PEH




> On Aug 12, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Mike VE3YF <Mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
> 
> Phil:
> 
> I have the same setup but only 1 x P3. A K3 and P3 on my left setup and a K3 on the right setup using a MK2R+ and I noticed what you mention only once. I was on 80m with
> the Right K3 and I saw a brief Power and SWR spike on the Left P3 and K3. I might have had a bit of SWR on the standalone Right K3. I have not noticed it happen since, it might
> be a band/swr specific issue ie, as I was operating around 3800 and the antenna is designed for the CW and RTTY portion of the band. The Left side radio was on 160m Sloper
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF
> 
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 11:25:18 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>

The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are about 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet 
Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.

This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only the TX Mon.

W4CCS

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
To: W4CCS; Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question


Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch lacks sufficient isolation.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>
> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>
> CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
>
> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>
> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option.. 
>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed, 
>> the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the 
>> transmit
> envelope..
>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is 
>> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>
>>
>>
>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>
>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>
>>
>>
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From ke1b at richseifert.com  Wed Aug 12 11:26:53 2015
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (KE1B)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY on the K3S
In-Reply-To: <55CB3776.5080500@storm.ca>
References: <55CB3776.5080500@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <3A11183B-7ED2-4CFB-A674-AAEE47B46C6A@richseifert.com>


On Aug 12, 2015, at 5:09 AM, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at storm.ca> wrote:

> Following up on Salvo's post: Rich, I believe you said you are using N1MM+. If that is the case, open the N1MM+ Configurer, select the Mode Control tab, and on the right side, look to see what is selected for "Mode sent to radio" for RTTY. If this is set to RTTY, N1MM+ will put the K3S into FSK D mode, which will result in an unmodulated carrier if there is nothing connected to the FSK pin on the AUX connector on the K3S. To use AFSK A, change the "Mode sent to radio" to AFSK.
> 

That did it, thanks!

Rich KE1B



From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Aug 12 11:47:03 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>
	<003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>
Message-ID: <55CB6A77.8080709@sonic.net>

The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of a 
watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so it 
would work with QRP.

Alan N1AL


On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are about 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>
> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only the TX Mon.
>
> W4CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
>
> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch lacks sufficient isolation.
>
> 73,
>
>      ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>
>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>
>> CCS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Joe Subich, W4TV
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>
>>
>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>>
>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed,
>>> the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the
>>> transmit
>> envelope..
>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is
>>> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>
>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 12:23:48 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon
Message-ID: <004501d0d51b$447e5e30$cd7b1a90$@W4CCS.COM>

Maybe, to sensitive..?? Is there a way to modify the sensor..??

 

CCS

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan

Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:47 AM

To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question

 

The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of a
watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so it would
work with QRP.

 

Alan N1AL

 

 

 

Clyde Scott - W4CCS

Moultrie, GA - EM81cg

 


From phystad at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 12:38:41 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:38:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
Message-ID: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>

Now that I have the P3 TX Monitor I am wondering if this is anything more than a mere light-show for entertainment.  I am mostly CW and I find that the actual TX display of the CW to be a bit silly looking and contrived.  In fact, it looks like something fake to me and I say that not as a criticism so much as a curiosity in wondering what the display actually shows.  

I have adjusted some of the TX Mon parameters to adjust the ?size? of the envelop display but I still am not sure I understand exactly what I am seeing and if this has value other than ham radio eye candy.  Maybe I need a chapter added to  the P3 writeup by Fred Cady (KE7X) describing the meaning and analysis of wave shapes.

I actually like the power (peak power indicator) and SWR display but not sure I would get rid of my LP-100A as a result.

No, I am not regretting the purchase, just wondering about the value of the display.  From my very few experiments with SSB and the TX mon, I see a more interesting display but certainly I can?t easily tell if what I see tells me anything useful to know or useful in analyzing signals from the K3.  Now, if I could hook up the P3 TX Monitor feature to my Eico 720 CW transmitter and see the wave shape of CW signals I might discover the major chirps that my 720 produces ? But, a K3, it is near perfection in CW shaping (or, at least to me it is).

Just a few observations and curiosity questions from a philistine among experts.

73, phil, K7PEH


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 13:00:12 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:00:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>

You *can* hook up your Eico 720 Tx and see its CW rise and fall times 
and perhaps use that information to dig into the radio and improve it.

In SSB mode you can see the effect of the K3 Tx EQ and speech processor 
as it relates to peak-to-average power.

And as you say it provides PWR and SWR indications.  With multiple 
indicators (K3, P3, LP-100A, KAT500, KPA500, ...) you can pick the one 
you like the best  -- or worry about the slight discrepancies in their 
displays :-)

And, who knows what future enhancements might come along...

73,

Lyle KK7P (who is not aware of any enhancements at this time, but is 
cognizant of Elecraft's track record in this regard)

> Now that I have the P3 TX Monitor I am wondering if this is anything more than a mere light-show for entertainment...

From turnbull at net1.ie  Wed Aug 12 13:11:25 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:11:25 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BF833364F5694A7CBE2D16EB0FA2D80C@DOUG1>

Phil,
    I do not yet have the TX monitor but in time will.    Whatever the
usefulness and it seems Lyle has answered this question, it is a feature
which many users clamored for.   Elecraft has provided an answer to many
users' desires.

    No need to purchase a W2 wattmeter now.   Smile and enjoy; life is good.

             73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Hystad
Sent: 12 August 2015 16:39
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?

Now that I have the P3 TX Monitor I am wondering if this is anything more
than a mere light-show for entertainment.  I am mostly CW and I find that
the actual TX display of the CW to be a bit silly looking and contrived.  In
fact, it looks like something fake to me and I say that not as a criticism
so much as a curiosity in wondering what the display actually shows.  

I have adjusted some of the TX Mon parameters to adjust the "size" of the
envelop display but I still am not sure I understand exactly what I am
seeing and if this has value other than ham radio eye candy.  Maybe I need a
chapter added to  the P3 writeup by Fred Cady (KE7X) describing the meaning
and analysis of wave shapes.

I actually like the power (peak power indicator) and SWR display but not
sure I would get rid of my LP-100A as a result.

No, I am not regretting the purchase, just wondering about the value of the
display.  From my very few experiments with SSB and the TX mon, I see a more
interesting display but certainly I can't easily tell if what I see tells me
anything useful to know or useful in analyzing signals from the K3.  Now, if
I could hook up the P3 TX Monitor feature to my Eico 720 CW transmitter and
see the wave shape of CW signals I might discover the major chirps that my
720 produces - But, a K3, it is near perfection in CW shaping (or, at least
to me it is).

Just a few observations and curiosity questions from a philistine among
experts.

73, phil, K7PEH

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From phystad at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 13:21:30 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <BF833364F5694A7CBE2D16EB0FA2D80C@DOUG1>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<BF833364F5694A7CBE2D16EB0FA2D80C@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <6DF22180-9ED8-4A33-A075-20D987DAA208@mac.com>

I am not regretting my decision to buy the TX Mon ? and, I would buy it
again if needed.

Lyle?s comments were good to hear ? maybe Lyle should write a new chapter
in the P3 Owner?s Manual on the analysis of signals using the P3 TX mon.
So far, the only information in the manual is how to setup parameters and
a few other things ? necessary and important but not yet sufficient to a full
understanding.

I have a W2 meter though, also a W1.  I use the W2 with all my QRP or other
rigs.  I have one W2 sensor but I switch that between my three major other
rigs.

73, phil


> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
>    I do not yet have the TX monitor but in time will.    Whatever the
> usefulness and it seems Lyle has answered this question, it is a feature
> which many users clamored for.   Elecraft has provided an answer to many
> users' desires.
> 
>    No need to purchase a W2 wattmeter now.   Smile and enjoy; life is good.
> 
>             73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
> Hystad
> Sent: 12 August 2015 16:39
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
> 
> Now that I have the P3 TX Monitor I am wondering if this is anything more
> than a mere light-show for entertainment.  I am mostly CW and I find that
> the actual TX display of the CW to be a bit silly looking and contrived.  In
> fact, it looks like something fake to me and I say that not as a criticism
> so much as a curiosity in wondering what the display actually shows.  
> 
> I have adjusted some of the TX Mon parameters to adjust the "size" of the
> envelop display but I still am not sure I understand exactly what I am
> seeing and if this has value other than ham radio eye candy.  Maybe I need a
> chapter added to  the P3 writeup by Fred Cady (KE7X) describing the meaning
> and analysis of wave shapes.
> 
> I actually like the power (peak power indicator) and SWR display but not
> sure I would get rid of my LP-100A as a result.
> 
> No, I am not regretting the purchase, just wondering about the value of the
> display.  From my very few experiments with SSB and the TX mon, I see a more
> interesting display but certainly I can't easily tell if what I see tells me
> anything useful to know or useful in analyzing signals from the K3.  Now, if
> I could hook up the P3 TX Monitor feature to my Eico 720 CW transmitter and
> see the wave shape of CW signals I might discover the major chirps that my
> 720 produces - But, a K3, it is near perfection in CW shaping (or, at least
> to me it is).
> 
> Just a few observations and curiosity questions from a philistine among
> experts.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
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From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 14:06:59 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:06:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Bug?
In-Reply-To: <55CA8462.6060005@sonic.net>
References: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>
	<55CA8462.6060005@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <55CB8B43.1010808@gmail.com>

Alan,

Has there been any interest in making the Power and SWR displays hide
when in RX mode and pop-in like the Modulation Envelope does during
TX?   I do a lot more RX than TX and would like to configure it to go
back to spit screen signal/waterfall mode when not TX'ing.

Warren, KD4Z


On 8/11/2015 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
> It will do that if the K3 is in transmit mode but with no power coming
> out.  The P3 auto-scales the modulation display amplitude, so if there
> is no signal it jacks the gain way up and you see quantized noise.
>
> The next version of P3 firmware will limit the maximum gain so you
> don't see so much noise in that situation.
>
> Alan N1AL
>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 15:45:37 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:45:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <55CB6A77.8080709@sonic.net>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>
	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>
	<003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>
	<55CB6A77.8080709@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1v3Deu0pOc26mepY4t1eehihpRt7hBEgt1n3hSFrS47g@mail.gmail.com>

It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display with
the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own
transmitted signal.  An option because others might want to know that their
TX signal was coming back at them on another coax.

Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.

73, Guy K2AV

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of a
> watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so it
> would work with QRP.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>
>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are about
>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>
>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only the
>> TX Mon.
>>
>> W4CCS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>
>>
>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch lacks
>> sufficient isolation.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>
>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>
>>> CCS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>> Joe Subich, W4TV
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>
>>>
>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>>>
>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon installed,
>>>> the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one sweep of the
>>>> transmit
>>>>
>>> envelope..
>>>
>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two is
>>>> the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>
>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From W4CCS at W4CCS.COM  Wed Aug 12 16:03:44 2015
From: W4CCS at W4CCS.COM (W4CCS)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:03:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1v3Deu0pOc26mepY4t1eehihpRt7hBEgt1n3hSFrS47g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>	<003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB6A77.8080709@sonic.net>
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Message-ID: <005001d0d539$fe162260$fa426720$@W4CCS.COM>

Guy:

I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the sensitivity is
set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.

Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..

W4CCS

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
Olinger K2AV
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
To: n1al at sonic.net
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question

It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display with
the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own transmitted
signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX signal
was coming back at them on another coax.

Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.

73, Guy K2AV

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of 
> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so 
> it would work with QRP.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>
>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are 
>> about
>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet 
>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>
>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only 
>> the TX Mon.
>>
>> W4CCS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>
>>
>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two 
>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch 
>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>
>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>
>>> CCS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf 
>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>
>>>
>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>>>
>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon 
>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one 
>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>
>>> envelope..
>>>
>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two 
>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>
>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Aug 12 16:53:11 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Bug?
In-Reply-To: <55CB8B43.1010808@gmail.com>
References: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>	<55CA8462.6060005@sonic.net>
	<55CB8B43.1010808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CBB237.7080702@sonic.net>

It actually does go back to split screen spectrum/waterfall in receive 
mode.  In transmit mode the spectrum display is replaced by the 
modulation waveform, but the waterfall remains on the screen.

There are two reasons why the "meters" remain on the screen in receive 
mode.  One is that it would be pretty annoying when sending CW QSK for 
example to have the window jumping up and down every time you key.  The 
other is that it would require re-drawing the waterfall every time you 
go to transmit mode, which would lose all the waterfall data.  I think 
many people like to be able to look at the waterfall while transmitting 
to see where the signals were the last time they were receiving.

Alan N1AL


On 08/12/2015 11:06 AM, Warren Merkel wrote:
> Alan,
>
> Has there been any interest in making the Power and SWR displays hide
> when in RX mode and pop-in like the Modulation Envelope does during
> TX?   I do a lot more RX than TX and would like to configure it to go
> back to spit screen signal/waterfall mode when not TX'ing.
>
> Warren, KD4Z
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>> It will do that if the K3 is in transmit mode but with no power coming
>> out.  The P3 auto-scales the modulation display amplitude, so if there
>> is no signal it jacks the gain way up and you see quantized noise.
>>
>> The next version of P3 firmware will limit the maximum gain so you
>> don't see so much noise in that situation.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>
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From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 17:06:44 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 17:06:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Bug?
In-Reply-To: <55CBB237.7080702@sonic.net>
References: <001301d0d489$7d5bf150$7813d3f0$@gmail.com>	<55CA8462.6060005@sonic.net>	<55CB8B43.1010808@gmail.com>
	<55CBB237.7080702@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <55CBB564.3070109@gmail.com>

Alan,

Since "optional" would be the idea, and that the P3 must know (or could
know) what mode the K3 is in, why not make it selectable if not in CW
mode?  It sure seems like us folks that want it to swap in and out, are
comfortable waiting a few seconds for the waterfall to update. 
It seems half baked to me the way it is.  You already swap the
modulation waveform in and out, why not the rest? 

Otherwise, is there a way to fire macros from the K3  to the P3 when
going from TX to RX and back?  Or maybe fire them from within the P3
itself?  Then I guess we could do it ourselves.

Warren, KD4Z

On 8/12/2015 4:53 PM, Alan wrote:
> It actually does go back to split screen spectrum/waterfall in receive
> mode.  In transmit mode the spectrum display is replaced by the
> modulation waveform, but the waterfall remains on the screen.
>
> There are two reasons why the "meters" remain on the screen in receive
> mode.  One is that it would be pretty annoying when sending CW QSK for
> example to have the window jumping up and down every time you key. 
> The other is that it would require re-drawing the waterfall every time
> you go to transmit mode, which would lose all the waterfall data.  I
> think many people like to be able to look at the waterfall while
> transmitting to see where the signals were the last time they were
> receiving.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 11:06 AM, Warren Merkel wrote:
>> Alan,
>>
>> Has there been any interest in making the Power and SWR displays hide
>> when in RX mode and pop-in like the Modulation Envelope does during
>> TX?   I do a lot more RX than TX and would like to configure it to go
>> back to spit screen signal/waterfall mode when not TX'ing.
>>
>> Warren, KD4Z
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> It will do that if the K3 is in transmit mode but with no power coming
>>> out.  The P3 auto-scales the modulation display amplitude, so if there
>>> is no signal it jacks the gain way up and you see quantized noise.
>>>
>>> The next version of P3 firmware will limit the maximum gain so you
>>> don't see so much noise in that situation.
>>>
>>> Alan N1AL
>>>
>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Aug 12 18:20:58 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,8/12/2015 10:00 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> You *can* hook up your Eico 720 Tx and see its CW rise and fall times 
> and perhaps use that information to dig into the radio and improve it. 

You've GOT to be kidding -- CW waveshaping is spectacularly good 
already. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it!  And, last I heard, 
Wayne has the code locked up so it cannot be screwed up.

Besides, the time domain (rise/fall times) is the wrong way to look at 
keying. The only effective way is in the frequency domain, where the P3 
with SVGA can resolve to a few Hz when set for narrow scan widths.

73, Jim K9YC

From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Wed Aug 12 18:33:39 2015
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:33:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com> <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55CBC9C3.1030802@comcast.net>



On 8/12/2015 4:20 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Wed,8/12/2015 10:00 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
>> You *can* hook up your Eico 720 Tx and see its CW rise and fall times 
>> and perhaps use that information to dig into the radio and improve it. 
>
> You've GOT to be kidding -- CW waveshaping is spectacularly good 
> already. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it!  And, last I heard, 
> Wayne has the code locked up so it cannot be screwed up.
>
> Besides, the time domain (rise/fall times) is the wrong way to look at 
> keying. The only effective way is in the frequency domain, where the 
> P3 with SVGA can resolve to a few Hz when set for narrow scan widths.

Easy Jim,

The Eico 720 is a transmitter. I believe Lyle is talking about using the 
P3 TX Monitor feature to look at its CW waveform.

73,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From k9fd at flex.com  Wed Aug 12 18:39:49 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:39:49 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
	<55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>

I think hes referring to improving the Eico 720 keying shape.



> On Wed,8/12/2015 10:00 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
>> You *can* hook up your Eico 720 Tx and see its CW rise and fall times 
>> and perhaps use that information to dig into the radio and improve it. 
>
> You've GOT to be kidding -- CW waveshaping is spectacularly good 
> already. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it!  And, last I heard, 
> Wayne has the code locked up so it cannot be screwed up.
>
> Besides, the time domain (rise/fall times) is the wrong way to look at 
> keying. The only effective way is in the frequency domain, where the 
> P3 with SVGA can resolve to a few Hz when set for narrow scan widths.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Aug 12 18:49:48 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com> <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>
Message-ID: <55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,8/12/2015 3:39 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
> I think hes referring to improving the Eico 720 keying shape.

Sorry, I missed that. :)  BUT -- the frequency domain is still the best 
place to be looking at the signal as you make changes.

73, Jim K9YC

From phystad at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 18:51:29 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:51:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
	<55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>
	<55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <80A30C5C-1214-4A5F-A4D1-D9CBC9258688@mac.com>


> On Aug 12, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed,8/12/2015 3:39 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
>> I think hes referring to improving the Eico 720 keying shape.
> 
> Sorry, I missed that. :)  BUT -- the frequency domain is still the best place to be looking at the signal as you make changes.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From n1al at sonic.net  Wed Aug 12 19:28:01 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:28:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
	<55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55CBD681.1050001@sonic.net>

On 08/12/2015 03:20 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> Besides, the time domain (rise/fall times) is the wrong way to look at
> keying. The only effective way is in the frequency domain, where the P3
> with SVGA can resolve to a few Hz when set for narrow scan widths.

A spectrum analyzer is the best way to tell *if* something is wrong, but 
a time-domain display of the modulation waveform is the best way to 
determine *what* is wrong.  You can easily see if the key clicks are due 
to too fast a rise time, too fast a fall time, incorrect key shaping, 
flat-topping in an external amplifier, insufficient bias in the 
amplifier, parasitic oscillations, etc.  With a spectrum analyzer you 
can only tell that the clicks are there, not what is causing them.

Alan N1AL

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 12 19:31:03 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 19:31:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com>
	<55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com> <55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55CBD737.8000800@embarqmail.com>

Jim and all,

I agree, the *best* way to look at keying is in the frequency domain, 
but for those who do not have that capability, the time domain keying 
waveshape can be beneficial.

The P3 TX MON option does not show the frequency domain, but it can 
display the rise time and fall time of the CW keying envelope. Those 
rise times and fall times (as well as the shape of the rise and fall 
slope) are a good key to the cleanliness of the keying - the P3 TX MON 
does provide that capability.  Whether the viewer can interpret that 
information clearly and correctly to determine good/bad keying is 
another question.  There is information available on the web showing 
good and bad keying waveshapes.  The figures in the Elecraft K2 Keying 
Waveshape Mod instructions is one such document.

An additional monitor receiver with an IF tap and equipped with a P3 
would be necessary to view the frequency domain of the CW signal.
Quite possible for those who have 2 K3s (or K3S) and at least one 
equipped with a P3, but that is not the "average ham".

While the P3 does show the received signal in the frequency domain, that 
is developed from the IF frequency of the receiver.  The TX monitor sits 
on the transmission line and must respond to the entire range of ham 
band frequencies.  To expect the TX Mon option to convert any transmit 
frequency to a frequency domain display is just not reasonable given 
today's technology.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/12/2015 6:20 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> Besides, the time domain (rise/fall times) is the wrong way to look at 
> keying. The only effective way is in the frequency domain, where the 
> P3 with SVGA can resolve to a few Hz when set for narrow scan widths.


From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Wed Aug 12 22:48:11 2015
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:48:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
 times)
In-Reply-To: <1BFED7F4-18FD-4675-A1DA-F72210E9EA9D@mac.com>
References: <20150812142923.96854149AF32@mailman.qth.net>
	<1BFED7F4-18FD-4675-A1DA-F72210E9EA9D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55CC056B.3090107@tx.rr.com>

I find this thread quite interesting. I too have been dealing with VSWR 
"spurts". My TX lineup is similar to Phil's, but I don't have the TX 
Monitor. After a recent station rewiring job I found I was having a 
great deal of trouble with indicated VSWR jumping to high levels with 
the amplifier on. The problem was especially bad on 80 meters -- 
anything above about 300W would randomly give a high VSWR fault on the 
KAT500. Since the KPA500 was feeding the suddenly changed load it too 
would usually fault out. The sensor for my LP-100A is on the antenna 
side of the KAT500, and its VSWR indication was rock solid during these 
events. My station is in an extremely difficult RFI environment, with 
seven antennas crammed onto a 0.2 acre city lot. I immediately suspected 
that common mode RF was getting into the reverse power sensor circuit in 
the KAT500.

I installed a Balun Designs choke on the antenna side of the LP-100A 
sensor and the KAT500 stopped giving the high VSWR indications right 
away. That's the good news. The bad news is that now the KPA500 is doing 
it, but at considerably higher power levels. I can run around 400W out 
before the KPA500 begins to randomly show VSWR faults. The KAT500 is 
completely stable at full power. For now, I'm living with this situation.

So I would suggest the troubles you're seeing may be the result of 
common mode RF problems on the transmitter feedline. It could be that 
the addition of the extra electrical length of the TX Monitor sensor and 
its associated cabling changed things just enough to put a common mode 
voltage node near the KAT500 output port. You might try adding an 
additional piece of coax somewhere in the lineup and see if that changes 
the situation. RF is funny stuff.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 8/12/2015 10:10 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for the comment.  I only have one K3 with one P3.  My configuration is:
>
>       K3/P3 ?>  KPA500 ?> TX Mon Sensor ?> LP100A Sensor ?> KAT500 ?> 80-meter Dipole
>
> I first noticed the spike with the RED LEDs on both the KAT500 and the KPA500.  I was not looking
> at the SWR display on the P3 although the second time I did notice that it too spiked (max reading).
>
> Like I said, I was operating CW and when I sent just the first dit of a QNI into a CW net the spike occurred.
> I stopped, and then keyed again and everything was normal.  The second time that I did this, I thought that
> maybe the spike was momentary and continued keying but the second or third key down action (actually, a paddle)
> resulted in fault with the KPA500.
>
> Last night, I did not have any problems at all because I disconnected the TX Mon sensor.  I will continue
> experimenting though as I don?t have too many data points yet to draw conclusions.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Mike VE3YF <Mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
>>
>> Phil:
>>
>> I have the same setup but only 1 x P3. A K3 and P3 on my left setup and a K3 on the right setup using a MK2R+ and I noticed what you mention only once. I was on 80m with
>> the Right K3 and I saw a brief Power and SWR spike on the Left P3 and K3. I might have had a bit of SWR on the standalone Right K3. I have not noticed it happen since, it might
>> be a band/swr specific issue ie, as I was operating around 3800 and the antenna is designed for the CW and RTTY portion of the band. The Left side radio was on 160m Sloper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73 De Mike
>> VE3YF
>>
>> http://www.ve3yf.com


From wes at triconet.org  Wed Aug 12 23:06:30 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:06:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com><55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>
	<55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com><55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>
	<55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55CC09B6.1010302@triconet.org>

Not if you're looking at an Eico 720. It will be difficult to identify keying 
sidebands amongst the drift and chirp.

On 8/12/2015 3:49 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Wed,8/12/2015 3:39 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
>> I think hes referring to improving the Eico 720 keying shape.
>
> Sorry, I missed that. :)  BUT -- the frequency domain is still the best place 
> to be looking at the signal as you make changes.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From phystad at mac.com  Thu Aug 13 01:30:56 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 22:30:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
	times)
In-Reply-To: <55CC056B.3090107@tx.rr.com>
References: <20150812142923.96854149AF32@mailman.qth.net>
	<1BFED7F4-18FD-4675-A1DA-F72210E9EA9D@mac.com>
	<55CC056B.3090107@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <531EBADD-6072-490B-9015-0CF7A953E6BB@mac.com>

Randy,

If your LP100A is on the antenna side of your KAT500 then you are putting your LP100A in the region of higher SWR if your antenna is not close to resonance.  I think you would want to put your LP100A in the inboard side of the KAT500 so that you are properly showing the ?tuned? SWR on the LPA100A and your readings will be more accurate I believe.

If you want to know the antenna side of the SWR, what the KAT500 refers to as the Bypass SWR since it is the SWR you see if you bypass the KAT500, then you can use the KAT500 utility program to display that.

I am not seeing the problems you describe.  For example, when I run without the TX Mon Sensor in place, there are absolutely no SWR problems at all (look again at the configuration below that I have).  I should also note that today I did not see any problems with the SWR spurts I originally reported even with the TX Monitor sensor inline.

73, phil, K7PEH



> On Aug 12, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Randy Farmer <w8fn at tx.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I find this thread quite interesting. I too have been dealing with VSWR "spurts". My TX lineup is similar to Phil's, but I don't have the TX Monitor. After a recent station rewiring job I found I was having a great deal of trouble with indicated VSWR jumping to high levels with the amplifier on. The problem was especially bad on 80 meters -- anything above about 300W would randomly give a high VSWR fault on the KAT500. Since the KPA500 was feeding the suddenly changed load it too would usually fault out. The sensor for my LP-100A is on the antenna side of the KAT500, and its VSWR indication was rock solid during these events. My station is in an extremely difficult RFI environment, with seven antennas crammed onto a 0.2 acre city lot. I immediately suspected that common mode RF was getting into the reverse power sensor circuit in the KAT500.
> 
> I installed a Balun Designs choke on the antenna side of the LP-100A sensor and the KAT500 stopped giving the high VSWR indications right away. That's the good news. The bad news is that now the KPA500 is doing it, but at considerably higher power levels. I can run around 400W out before the KPA500 begins to randomly show VSWR faults. The KAT500 is completely stable at full power. For now, I'm living with this situation.
> 
> So I would suggest the troubles you're seeing may be the result of common mode RF problems on the transmitter feedline. It could be that the addition of the extra electrical length of the TX Monitor sensor and its associated cabling changed things just enough to put a common mode voltage node near the KAT500 output port. You might try adding an additional piece of coax somewhere in the lineup and see if that changes the situation. RF is funny stuff.
> 
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
> 
> On 8/12/2015 10:10 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Mike,
>> 
>> Thanks for the comment.  I only have one K3 with one P3.  My configuration is:
>> 
>>      K3/P3 ?>  KPA500 ?> TX Mon Sensor ?> LP100A Sensor ?> KAT500 ?> 80-meter Dipole
>> 
>> I first noticed the spike with the RED LEDs on both the KAT500 and the KPA500.  I was not looking
>> at the SWR display on the P3 although the second time I did notice that it too spiked (max reading).
>> 
>> Like I said, I was operating CW and when I sent just the first dit of a QNI into a CW net the spike occurred.
>> I stopped, and then keyed again and everything was normal.  The second time that I did this, I thought that
>> maybe the spike was momentary and continued keying but the second or third key down action (actually, a paddle)
>> resulted in fault with the KPA500.
>> 
>> Last night, I did not have any problems at all because I disconnected the TX Mon sensor.  I will continue
>> experimenting though as I don?t have too many data points yet to draw conclusions.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Mike VE3YF <Mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phil:
>>> 
>>> I have the same setup but only 1 x P3. A K3 and P3 on my left setup and a K3 on the right setup using a MK2R+ and I noticed what you mention only once. I was on 80m with
>>> the Right K3 and I saw a brief Power and SWR spike on the Left P3 and K3. I might have had a bit of SWR on the standalone Right K3. I have not noticed it happen since, it might
>>> be a band/swr specific issue ie, as I was operating around 3800 and the antenna is designed for the CW and RTTY portion of the band. The Left side radio was on 160m Sloper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73 De Mike
>>> VE3YF
>>> 
>>> http://www.ve3yf.com
> 
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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Thu Aug 13 09:36:31 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:36:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency reference for the K3 directly off a GPS
Message-ID: <1439472991375-7606275.post@n2.nabble.com>

Some recent GPS modules (ublox Neo 7) have a programmable output that in
addition to the 1 pps output can be programmed even to output 10 MHz. This
output has a lot of jitter as it seems to be derived from a 48 MHz clock
which is divided down in such a way as to generate a mix of short and long
cycles but so that the average frequency is maintained accurately at 10 MHz.

A description can be found here 
https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/u-blox_neo-6-7 and performance is
partly described here:
https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-August/086257.html

My question is regarding the K3 external reference input. Is this source
good enough to drive the K3 reference? Can the K3 clean up the jitter
internally, or does the K3 require a source with much less phase noise?




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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Thu Aug 13 09:59:09 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:59:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency reference for the K3 directly off a GPS
In-Reply-To: <1439472991375-7606275.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439472991375-7606275.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4c8psatcpjr0ttq4h26mjmoudaoudh6633@4ax.com>

Hi Sverre,

This type of 10 MHz output has short term stability problems and isn't
suitable for direct drive of a K3 (imho).  It *could* be used, if
integrated over a long time constant (thinking many seconds) to drive
a D.O., but that would take additional circuitry.  It might be quite a
project.  

You're probably better off with A GPSDO or a Rubidium source.  Even a
plain OCXO would work if you can keep it calibrated.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:36:31 -0700 (MST), you wrote:

>Some recent GPS modules (ublox Neo 7) have a programmable output that in
>addition to the 1 pps output can be programmed even to output 10 MHz. This
>output has a lot of jitter as it seems to be derived from a 48 MHz clock
>which is divided down in such a way as to generate a mix of short and long
>cycles but so that the average frequency is maintained accurately at 10 MHz.
>
>A description can be found here 
>https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/u-blox_neo-6-7 and performance is
>partly described here:
>https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-August/086257.html
>
>My question is regarding the K3 external reference input. Is this source
>good enough to drive the K3 reference? Can the K3 clean up the jitter
>internally, or does the K3 require a source with much less phase noise?
>
>
>
>
>-----
>Sverre, LA3ZA
>
>K2 #2198, K3 #3391,
>LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
>LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein


From davidahrendts at me.com  Thu Aug 13 12:04:20 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:04:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Up Audio Pop
Message-ID: <2E9F2B7A-C010-4114-A651-79F9783D7F6B@me.com>

Audio experts: I have a pair of AudioEngine 2 powered speakers servicing my beautiful new K3S (an excellent combo). On K3S power up and power down, there is pretty major audio surge pop that, I am sure, is not healthy long-term for the powered speakers. Can anyone suggest a small speaker connection modification to prevent or lessen that power up pop?
It occurs to me the simplest thing to do is to power up the K3S and then power up the speakers.

David Ahrendts, KC0XT, Los Angeles 



David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Aug 13 12:10:56 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:10:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency reference for the K3 directly off a GPS
In-Reply-To: <4c8psatcpjr0ttq4h26mjmoudaoudh6633@4ax.com>
References: <1439472991375-7606275.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c8psatcpjr0ttq4h26mjmoudaoudh6633@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <55CCC190.9040805@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Take a look at what KA6SQG did to sync both audio and RF from GPS for 
this five-site 440 MHz simulcast repeater system.

http://www.wb6ece.org/technical-info.html    Play the youtube video 
while flipping through the slides. You'll need headphones to get 
acceptable audio from the youtube.

I live in the area covered by this system, and can attest that it works 
quite well.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,8/13/2015 6:59 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> Hi Sverre,
>
> This type of 10 MHz output has short term stability problems and isn't
> suitable for direct drive of a K3 (imho).  It *could* be used, if
> integrated over a long time constant (thinking many seconds) to drive
> a D.O., but that would take additional circuitry.  It might be quite a
> project.
>
> You're probably better off with A GPSDO or a Rubidium source.  Even a
> plain OCXO would work if you can keep it calibrated.
>
> 73,
> matt
> W6NIA
>
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:36:31 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
>
>> Some recent GPS modules (ublox Neo 7) have a programmable output that in
>> addition to the 1 pps output can be programmed even to output 10 MHz. This
>> output has a lot of jitter as it seems to be derived from a 48 MHz clock
>> which is divided down in such a way as to generate a mix of short and long
>> cycles but so that the average frequency is maintained accurately at 10 MHz.
>>
>> A description can be found here
>> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/u-blox_neo-6-7 and performance is
>> partly described here:
>> https://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-August/086257.html
>>
>> My question is regarding the K3 external reference input. Is this source
>> good enough to drive the K3 reference? Can the K3 clean up the jitter
>> internally, or does the K3 require a source with much less phase noise?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Aug 13 12:21:18 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:21:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Up Audio Pop
In-Reply-To: <2E9F2B7A-C010-4114-A651-79F9783D7F6B@me.com>
References: <2E9F2B7A-C010-4114-A651-79F9783D7F6B@me.com>
Message-ID: <55CCC3FE.2080500@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,8/13/2015 9:04 AM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Audio experts: I have a pair of AudioEngine 2 powered speakers servicing my beautiful new K3S (an excellent combo). On K3S power up and power down, there is pretty major audio surge pop that, I am sure, is not healthy long-term for the powered speakers. Can anyone suggest a small speaker connection modification to prevent or lessen that power up pop?
> It occurs to me the simplest thing to do is to power up the K3S and then power up the speakers.

A couple of observations. First, I doubt that powered speakers are 
needed -- I'm happy with non-powered speakers with my K3, and Elecraft 
says that the audio output stage in the K3S has been beefed up.

Second, good audio practice is to turn down the gain on the speakers as 
far as practical and set the line level out of the K3S to get the sound 
level that you want.

Third, yes, turning the speakers on after the K3S would also solve it, 
but you may not need to worry about that if you've set levels as above.

And finally -- powered speakers are notorious for RF susceptibility.

73, Jim K9YC

From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 13 12:31:53 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:31:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question
Message-ID: <00b001d0d5e5$915e5550$b41afff0$@carolinaheli.com>

I've read where a received signal is split into two signal paths, the noise
is somehow shifted 180 degrees (not sure how without affecting the desired
signal), the two signals are fed to your headset, one to each side, somehow
our brains then perceive the signal to POP out of the noise. Does this apply
to the K3/S ? I'm very interested in anything that effectively results in a
higher signal to noise. 

 

Thanks in advance.

Jerry Moore, Future K3S owner 5Sept2015

AE4PB


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:40:32 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question
In-Reply-To: <00b001d0d5e5$915e5550$b41afff0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <00b001d0d5e5$915e5550$b41afff0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc35wkqr09WtnE01==GmJ7Pmw-eRPvhuzFOXfQ3Ts5rL6g@mail.gmail.com>

Read about AFX in the K3 or K3S manual.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thursday, August 13, 2015, <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> I've read where a received signal is split into two signal paths, the noise
> is somehow shifted 180 degrees (not sure how without affecting the desired
> signal), the two signals are fed to your headset, one to each side, somehow
> our brains then perceive the signal to POP out of the noise. Does this
> apply
> to the K3/S ? I'm very interested in anything that effectively results in a
> higher signal to noise.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry Moore, Future K3S owner 5Sept2015
>
> AE4PB
>
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From mundschenk55 at msn.com  Thu Aug 13 12:47:42 2015
From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (mundschenk55)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Up Audio Pop
Message-ID: <BAY407-EAS418498E9A8B427592D51215CF7D0@phx.gbl>

If you want the keep it simple answer just put a 6v dpdt relay in a box and run l and r audio thru the normally open contacts. Put a 100uf cap across the coil. Put a resistor equal to the resistance of the coil in series. Connect the other end of the resistor to the 12v switched output of the k3
You might need a larger cap
Russ kd4jo

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-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Date:08/13/2015  12:22 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Power Up Audio Pop

On Thu,8/13/2015 9:04 AM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> Audio experts: I have a pair of AudioEngine 2 powered speakers servicing my beautiful new K3S (an excellent combo). On K3S power up and power down, there is pretty major audio surge pop that, I am sure, is not healthy long-term for the powered speakers. Can anyone suggest a small speaker connection modification to prevent or lessen that power up pop?
> It occurs to me the simplest thing to do is to power up the K3S and then power up the speakers.

A couple of observations. First, I doubt that powered speakers are
needed -- I'm happy with non-powered speakers with my K3, and Elecraft
says that the audio output stage in the K3S has been beefed up.

Second, good audio practice is to turn down the gain on the speakers as
far as practical and set the line level out of the K3S to get the sound
level that you want.

Third, yes, turning the speakers on after the K3S would also solve it,
but you may not need to worry about that if you've set levels as above.

And finally -- powered speakers are notorious for RF susceptibility.

73, Jim K9YC
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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Thu Aug 13 12:50:20 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:50:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency reference for the K3 directly off a GPS
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I am aware that a GPSDO etc is fine. But is it overkill for the K3? 

What I am trying to determine is the minimum requirement for the oscillator
that will drive the K3's external reference input. The documentation says
that the K3's phase stability is not affected by the external reference.
That, too me, sounds as if there is some internal averaging or whatever in
place already. 


Matt Zilmer-3 wrote
> You're probably better off with A GPSDO or a Rubidium source.  Even a
> plain OCXO would work if you can keep it calibrated.





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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug 13 14:03:25 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill Hammond via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual SYNTHESIZER installation with optional CAT scan.
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73.
Bill-AK5X
K3 SN 0069

From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Thu Aug 13 14:18:33 2015
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
 times)
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      I had a similar problem -- even at low power levels, the W2 would 
periodically spike a high-SWR and even show 2-3 bars of SWR when no signal 
was present.  I swapped out the 8-pin cable connecting the sensor to the 
W2 and the problem went away.  I re-crimped the connectors on the original 
cable, but haven't yet swapped it back in to see if doing so fixed the 
problem.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015, Randy Farmer wrote:

> I find this thread quite interesting. I too have been dealing with VSWR 
> "spurts". My TX lineup is similar to Phil's, but I don't have the TX 
> Monitor. After a recent station rewiring job I found I was having a 
> great deal of trouble with indicated VSWR jumping to high levels with 
> the amplifier on. The problem was especially bad on 80 meters -- 
> anything above about 300W would randomly give a high VSWR fault on the 
> KAT500. Since the KPA500 was feeding the suddenly changed load it too 
> would usually fault out. The sensor for my LP-100A is on the antenna 
> side of the KAT500, and its VSWR indication was rock solid during these 
> events. My station is in an extremely difficult RFI environment, with 
> seven antennas crammed onto a 0.2 acre city lot. I immediately suspected 
> that common mode RF was getting into the reverse power sensor circuit in 
> the KAT500.
>
> I installed a Balun Designs choke on the antenna side of the LP-100A 
> sensor and the KAT500 stopped giving the high VSWR indications right 
> away. That's the good news. The bad news is that now the KPA500 is doing 
> it, but at considerably higher power levels. I can run around 400W out 
> before the KPA500 begins to randomly show VSWR faults. The KAT500 is 
> completely stable at full power. For now, I'm living with this situation.
>
> So I would suggest the troubles you're seeing may be the result of 
> common mode RF problems on the transmitter feedline. It could be that 
> the addition of the extra electrical length of the TX Monitor sensor and 
> its associated cabling changed things just enough to put a common mode 
> voltage node near the KAT500 output port. You might try adding an 
> additional piece of coax somewhere in the lineup and see if that changes 
> the situation. RF is funny stuff.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
>
> On 8/12/2015 10:10 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the comment.  I only have one K3 with one P3.  My configuration 
> is:
>>
>>       K3/P3 ?>  KPA500 ?> TX Mon Sensor ?> LP100A Sensor ?> KAT500 ?> 
> 80-meter Dipole
>>
>> I first noticed the spike with the RED LEDs on both the KAT500 and the 
> KPA500.  I was not looking
>> at the SWR display on the P3 although the second time I did notice that it 
> too spiked (max reading).
>>
>> Like I said, I was operating CW and when I sent just the first dit of a QNI 
> into a CW net the spike occurred.
>> I stopped, and then keyed again and everything was normal.  The second time 
> that I did this, I thought that
>> maybe the spike was momentary and continued keying but the second or third 
> key down action (actually, a paddle)
>> resulted in fault with the KPA500.
>>
>> Last night, I did not have any problems at all because I disconnected the 
> TX Mon sensor.  I will continue
>> experimenting though as I don?t have too many data points yet to draw 
> conclusions.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 7:28 AM, Mike VE3YF <Mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Phil:
>>>
>>> I have the same setup but only 1 x P3. A K3 and P3 on my left setup and a 
> K3 on the right setup using a MK2R+ and I noticed what you mention only once. 
> I was on 80m with
>>> the Right K3 and I saw a brief Power and SWR spike on the Left P3 and K3. 
> I might have had a bit of SWR on the standalone Right K3. I have not noticed 
> it happen since, it might
>>> be a band/swr specific issue ie, as I was operating around 3800 and the 
> antenna is designed for the CW and RTTY portion of the band. The Left side 
> radio was on 160m Sloper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 De Mike
>>> VE3YF
>>>
>>> http://www.ve3yf.com
>
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From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net  Thu Aug 13 15:08:37 2015
From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXV3A & PR6-10
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From alan at elecraft.com  Thu Aug 13 16:06:36 2015
From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:06:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
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OK, what I did was change it so that, when a K3 is connected, the P3 TX 
monitor will only go into transmit mode when commanded to do so by the 
K3, even if RF power is present on the coax.  That should eliminate the 
false tripping.

It will be in the next beta release, which should be Real Soon Now.  :=)

Alan N1AL


On 08/12/2015 01:03 PM, W4CCS wrote:
> Guy:
>
> I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the sensitivity is
> set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.
>
> Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
> annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..
>
> W4CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
> Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
> To: n1al at sonic.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
> It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display with
> the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own transmitted
> signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX signal
> was coming back at them on another coax.
>
> Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of
>> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so
>> it would work with QRP.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>
>>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are
>>> about
>>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
>>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>>
>>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only
>>> the TX Mon.
>>>
>>> W4CCS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>
>>>
>>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
>>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>>
>>>> CCS
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
>>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>>>>
>>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon
>>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one
>>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>>
>>>> envelope..
>>>>
>>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two
>>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>>
>>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com  Thu Aug 13 19:15:52 2015
From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (phil anderson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question
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HI JERRY, 



You may be thinking of the Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones. These operate at audio and an extra microphone is added to each earbud to pick up background audio in your hamshack or workplace. I'm guessing that the signal from one of these added microphone earbuds is then inverted; and, in turn each earbud adds the signal from its extra microphone to the audio signal from the phone's audio output. In that way, the external noise is cancelled when listening to both phones. 





One way one might utilize this process in diversity mode using two radio receivers within one radio - like in a K3 or K3s - is to offset receiver B from receiver A, such that receiver B is only receiving noise. Then sum the inversion of that in an external audio circuit with the output of receiver A to receive just the CW signal generated by receiver A. This in effect would cancel the noise from each receiver similarly to that with the Bose. 





Right now I'm using the K3 in diversity mode by receiving RXB via the AUX input (with a Beverage antenna) and RXA via ANT1 port (with a SteppIR vertical) and letting the K3 process the audio in its native diversity mode. To this I'm also utilizing the APF feature. It's an easy guess that this beats out the scheme described above. However, if might simply be fun to try the adhoc method. 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. 


----- Original Message -----

From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com 
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:31:53 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question 

I've read where a received signal is split into two signal paths, the noise 
is somehow shifted 180 degrees (not sure how without affecting the desired 
signal), the two signals are fed to your headset, one to each side, somehow 
our brains then perceive the signal to POP out of the noise. Does this apply 
to the K3/S ? I'm very interested in anything that effectively results in a 
higher signal to noise. 



Thanks in advance. 

Jerry Moore, Future K3S owner 5Sept2015 

AE4PB 

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From k9fd at flex.com  Thu Aug 13 20:02:26 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:02:26 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
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Alan,  understand that some one will not always be happy with the way 
things are,
any way to make that a menu selection?
I would like to use the P3/TXmon with other radios,  this change would 
not allow that?
Seems that defeats the ability of the P3 with a TXmon to work with other 
radios..
Or did I miss something?

73 Merv K9FD/KH6


> OK, what I did was change it so that, when a K3 is connected, the P3 
> TX monitor will only go into transmit mode when commanded to do so by 
> the K3, even if RF power is present on the coax.  That should 
> eliminate the false tripping.
>
> It will be in the next beta release, which should be Real Soon Now.  :=)
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 01:03 PM, W4CCS wrote:
>> Guy:
>>
>> I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the 
>> sensitivity is
>> set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.
>>
>> Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
>> annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..
>>
>> W4CCS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Guy
>> Olinger K2AV
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
>> To: n1al at sonic.net
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>
>> It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display 
>> with
>> the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own 
>> transmitted
>> signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX 
>> signal
>> was coming back at them on another coax.
>>
>> Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of
>>> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so
>>> it would work with QRP.
>>>
>>> Alan N1AL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are
>>>> about
>>>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
>>>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>>>
>>>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only
>>>> the TX Mon.
>>>>
>>>> W4CCS
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>>>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
>>>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>>>
>>>>> CCS
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal 
>>>>> levels.
>>>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low 
>>>>> levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon
>>>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one
>>>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>>>
>>>>> envelope..
>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two
>>>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From NZ3O at arrl.net  Thu Aug 13 20:14:47 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:14:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro Programming - Rotating Macros
Message-ID: <55CD32F7.4080400@arrl.net>

I am trying to program my first "Rotating Macro", where the PF1 Button 
will set SPLIT+1 the first time it is pressed and held and it will UNSET 
SPLIT the second time it is pressed and held.

I am basing this on the work by W8TN and LA3ZA, and others who have 
offered support here.

I have had PF1 as SPLIT+1 and PF2 as SPLIT+5.  They are saved in MACRO1 
and MACRO2, respectively.

I am trying to add MACRO3 and MACRO4 to CLEAR SPLIT and set to SPLIT+1 
and SPLIT+5 again.

I added the following to MACRO1 based on the Programmers reference:

MN110;SWT20;SWH18;SWT14;

#20 is listed as MACRO3, #18 is listed as PF1.

But, the SPLIT part of the MACRO works, but the MACRO is not 
reprogrammed.  So, little joy.

When I execute the MACROs from K3 Utility, the reprogram things fine.  
But not when I hold the button.

I hope I don't have to "add" these in CONFIG every time.  That doesn't 
make sense.

(100) 72, Byron





From NZ3O at arrl.net  Thu Aug 13 20:40:04 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:40:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro Programming - Rotating Macros
In-Reply-To: <55CD32F7.4080400@arrl.net>
References: <55CD32F7.4080400@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <55CD38E4.40701@arrl.net>

This is an RTFM problem.

I was confusing the KX3 Table with the K3 Table.

When I used the proper values from the K3 Table, it worked perfectly.

73, Byron

MACRO1-4: #11, 12, 13, 24
PF1-PF2: #45, 47

On 08/13/2015 08:14 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
> I am trying to program my first "Rotating Macro", where the PF1 Button 
> will set SPLIT+1 the first time it is pressed and held and it will 
> UNSET SPLIT the second time it is pressed and held.
>
> I am basing this on the work by W8TN and LA3ZA, and others who have 
> offered support here.
>
> I have had PF1 as SPLIT+1 and PF2 as SPLIT+5.  They are saved in 
> MACRO1 and MACRO2, respectively.
>
> I am trying to add MACRO3 and MACRO4 to CLEAR SPLIT and set to SPLIT+1 
> and SPLIT+5 again.
>
> I added the following to MACRO1 based on the Programmers reference:
>
> MN110;SWT20;SWH18;SWT14;
>
> #20 is listed as MACRO3, #18 is listed as PF1.
>
> But, the SPLIT part of the MACRO works, but the MACRO is not 
> reprogrammed.  So, little joy.
>
> When I execute the MACROs from K3 Utility, the reprogram things fine.  
> But not when I hold the button.


From eric at elecraft.com  Thu Aug 13 20:48:00 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 17:48:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
In-Reply-To: <55CD3012.1050704@flex.com>
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Hi Merv,

I don't believe this changes the existing P3TXMON operation with non-Elecraft 
radios.

Only if Alan detects that its a K3 when the P3 with P3TXMON is powered up will 
he actually query the radio to see if its in TX. Otherwise it will act as it 
does now and use detection of forward power to go into TX mode.

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 8/13/2015 5:02 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
> Alan, understand that some one will not always be happy with the way things are,
> any way to make that a menu selection?
> I would like to use the P3/TXmon with other radios,  this change would not 
> allow that?
> Seems that defeats the ability of the P3 with a TXmon to work with other radios..
> Or did I miss something?
>
> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6
>
>
>> OK, what I did was change it so that, when a K3 is connected, the P3 TX 
>> monitor will only go into transmit mode when commanded to do so by the K3, 
>> even if RF power is present on the coax.  That should eliminate the false 
>> tripping.
>>
>> It will be in the next beta release, which should be Real Soon Now.  :=)
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2015 01:03 PM, W4CCS wrote:
>>> Guy:
>>>
>>> I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the sensitivity is
>>> set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.
>>>
>>> Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
>>> annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..
>>>
>>> W4CCS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
>>> Olinger K2AV
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
>>> To: n1al at sonic.net
>>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>
>>> It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display with
>>> the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own transmitted
>>> signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX signal
>>> was coming back at them on another coax.
>>>
>>> Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.
>>>
>>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of
>>>> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so
>>>> it would work with QRP.
>>>>
>>>> Alan N1AL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are
>>>>> about
>>>>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
>>>>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only
>>>>> the TX Mon.
>>>>>
>>>>> W4CCS
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>>>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>>>>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
>>>>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CCS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal levels.
>>>>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low levels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon
>>>>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one
>>>>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> envelope..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two
>>>>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Thu Aug 13 20:55:21 2015
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 19:55:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New P3 TX Monitor....unusual behavior with SWR (at
 times)
In-Reply-To: <531EBADD-6072-490B-9015-0CF7A953E6BB@mac.com>
References: <20150812142923.96854149AF32@mailman.qth.net>
	<1BFED7F4-18FD-4675-A1DA-F72210E9EA9D@mac.com>
	<55CC056B.3090107@tx.rr.com>
	<531EBADD-6072-490B-9015-0CF7A953E6BB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55CD3C79.7030303@tx.rr.com>

Having the LP-100A on the antenna side is by design. I'm not much 
interested in monitoring the antenna VSWR in real time, but I do want to 
know the power being delivered at the tail end of the station RF lineup. 
The "light show" on the KAT500 and the KPA500 (if it's being used) as 
well as the internal indication in the K3 gives plenty of redundant 
information about whether or not the antenna tuner is doing its job. The 
unique vector measurement capability of the LPA-100A also makes it good 
for maintenance checks. I periodically run the utility program to have 
the LPA-100A measure the various antennas across their operational bands 
and compare the results against historical data. This lets me see any 
changes that might have occurred -- these changes would be masked by an 
antenna tuner between the LPA-100A sensor and the actual antenna.

I actually use the KAT500 almost exclusively for tuning my 80 meter 
inverted L, which is too long electrically but mechanically impossible 
to tune properly. Although all my other antennas are resonant on their 
respective operating bands I also leave the KAT500 on line to use as a 
"line flattener" on 160 and 40 meters if I should operate outside of the 
normal CW bands these antennas are tuned for.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 8/13/2015 12:30 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Randy,
>
> If your LP100A is on the antenna side of your KAT500 then you are putting your LP100A in the region of higher SWR if your antenna is not close to resonance.  I think you would want to put your LP100A in the inboard side of the KAT500 so that you are properly showing the ?tuned? SWR on the LPA100A and your readings will be more accurate I believe.
>
> If you want to know the antenna side of the SWR, what the KAT500 refers to as the Bypass SWR since it is the SWR you see if you bypass the KAT500, then you can use the KAT500 utility program to display that.
>
> I am not seeing the problems you describe.  For example, when I run without the TX Mon Sensor in place, there are absolutely no SWR problems at all (look again at the configuration below that I have).  I should also note that today I did not see any problems with the SWR spurts I originally reported even with the TX Monitor sensor inline.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH


From NZ3O at arrl.net  Thu Aug 13 21:22:38 2015
From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S: First Impressions
Message-ID: <55CD42DE.6020707@arrl.net>

I've played with the new K3S for a little over a week now.
I'm still gainfully employed, so my hours of operation have been limited.
But, I think it's probably the proper time for "initial impressions".

First, the Elecraft people are beyond impressive.  Whether it was 
pre-sale advice, the offer of extra support when the radio arrived, or 
the way they approach continuous improvement, these folks are tops.  
They would need to make a pretty crappy product to not have a loyal 
following just based on their own attitudes, and the products are well, 
awesome, too.

I thought this was my first Elecraft, but I used a K2 briefly about ten 
years ago.  It was used, not functioning perfectly and for some reason I 
sold it before the magic took hold.  Instead, I've been using Kenwood, 
Yaesu and TenTec top-line rigs that I've found used from local hams.  
Each of those righs served me well, and each change was an upgrade in 
technology and performance.

The Elecraft K3S is a significant advance for me.  Over the years I had 
grown quite accustomed to use of the Orion II features, and in contests 
and DXing it was the best radio I'd ever owned.  But as the TenTec aged, 
and future service options seemed to be dimming, I shipped it off to the 
TenTec folks for service and ordered the K3S.  I went on vacation so the 
lack of a radio didn't cause a nervous breakdown.  Hello, Disney.

I'm a DXer and a single-op contester.  I haven't been the srious 
contester I was at one time, but I still value those skills in both 
operators and equipment.  So, I made sure to try the K3S in one or two 
contests, even if only for a few contacts.  The North American QSO Party 
wasn't much of a challenge for the radio. Since *most* operators run 
without their amplifier, the signals tend to be better spread out, and 
since it's mostly a domestic contest, it seems there's a more casual 
element operating.  The Elecraft almost made HF seem "channelized" in 
that I'd tune in a signal and that's all I'd hear.  One signal.  Tune 
again, one signal.  Tune again.  And so on.  I was starting to think it 
needed buttons like the car radio.  I experimented with the CW reader, 
without much luck.  I've seen videos of others using it, but never got 
it to work as well as my brain (no comments, please) so I quickly gave 
up.  Yes, I did the CWT and SPOT and all that. I will try that again 
some slow night.

I later tried the Worked All Europe.  While I operating the NAQP on 40m 
QRP, I did WAE on 40m at 100W.  I worked everyone I heard in one call. 
and although the bands were more crowded, there were no times when I had 
any trouble squeezing out the noise for the signal I wanted.  The 
filtering is pretty intuitive when you realize how it works, a usability 
impro9vement over the Orion. So, two contests of far different style, 
but in both cases I felt the receiver, the audio and the filtering were 
a vast improvement.

I started working to get my headset mic working.  Initially the audio 
was much too low for people to hear me, and I played with TEST mode and 
MONitoring to get that improved.  That made QRP possible again, and also 
made any call under power a one-call contact.  Pileup, what pileup? Very 
nice.  Audio from the recevier also excellent.

It too 15 minutes to get my computer software properly configured after 
the Windows 10 upgrade and the change of radios.  But everything that 
worked before the change works at least as good afterwards.  It took 
some time to get the K3 Utility on the proper port (USB), but once I had 
that up and running, things were better.  Loading CW memories and 
(rotating) Macros was easy, and once I realized what the button numbers 
were for the macros I was reprogramming the PF keys at an irrational 
pace. HI

I've only used the K3S on CW and SSB.  I never did get a decent DATA 
station going with my previous radios, but this one seems worth a try.  
So, that's my next challenge: getting on RTTY/PSK and getting my first DX.

So, this is a very solid transceiver.  This one (10072) is configured 
with both receivers having 2.8, 2.1, 1.0, 0.5 and 0.25 filters.  It 
includes the ATU and the 100W option.  It works really well.

There is a lot of talk about how expensive it is.  I hesitated because 
of that factor, but I don't jhave one ounce of regret. And how you know 
why I'm still gainfully employed.  This is one of those rewards!

(100) 72, Byron


From k9fd at flex.com  Fri Aug 14 00:04:45 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:04:45 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
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Message-ID: <55CD68DD.3060604@flex.com>

Great,   thanks for the clarification,
73 Merv


> Hi Merv,
>
> I don't believe this changes the existing P3TXMON operation with 
> non-Elecraft radios.
>
> Only if Alan detects that its a K3 when the P3 with P3TXMON is powered 
> up will he actually query the radio to see if its in TX. Otherwise it 
> will act as it does now and use detection of forward power to go into 
> TX mode.
>
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 8/13/2015 5:02 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
>> Alan, understand that some one will not always be happy with the way 
>> things are,
>> any way to make that a menu selection?
>> I would like to use the P3/TXmon with other radios,  this change 
>> would not allow that?
>> Seems that defeats the ability of the P3 with a TXmon to work with 
>> other radios..
>> Or did I miss something?
>>
>> 73 Merv K9FD/KH6
>>
>>
>>> OK, what I did was change it so that, when a K3 is connected, the P3 
>>> TX monitor will only go into transmit mode when commanded to do so 
>>> by the K3, even if RF power is present on the coax.  That should 
>>> eliminate the false tripping.
>>>
>>> It will be in the next beta release, which should be Real Soon Now.  
>>> :=)
>>>
>>> Alan N1AL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/12/2015 01:03 PM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>> Guy:
>>>>
>>>> I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the 
>>>> sensitivity is
>>>> set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
>>>> annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..
>>>>
>>>> W4CCS
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Guy
>>>> Olinger K2AV
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
>>>> To: n1al at sonic.net
>>>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>
>>>> It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the 
>>>> display with
>>>> the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own 
>>>> transmitted
>>>> signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX 
>>>> signal
>>>> was coming back at them on another coax.
>>>>
>>>> Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few 
>>>>> tenths of
>>>>> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so
>>>>> it would work with QRP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan N1AL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 
>>>>>> feet
>>>>>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only
>>>>>> the TX Mon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> W4CCS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>>>>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>>>>>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
>>>>>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal 
>>>>>>> levels.
>>>>>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low 
>>>>>>> levels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>>>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon
>>>>>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one
>>>>>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> envelope..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two
>>>>>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Aug 14 00:57:32 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 21:57:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question
Message-ID: <wpsr51j56vp28rgv2dpb6o4b.1439528252600@email.android.com>

I used Bose noise cancelling phones in the 90's while doing around 250K miles a year on United.  They cut the steady aircraft noise nicely, mainly the higher pitched part, not so good on the LF rumble.  It seemed the steady higher frequencies were responsible for the headaches.  On my radio, they were ineffective with IF atmospheric static, and almost ineffective against power line noise.

I'd guess that much of the LF rumble was conducted thru my body rather than through the air.

Full disclosure: My hearing was already severely compromised, the higher frequency steady noise was weakly audible to me without the phones and absent with them.  However, it apparently still gave me headaches on transcontinental flights without the phones.

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

phil anderson <aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com> wrote:
>HI JERRY, 
>
>
>
>You may be thinking of the Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones. These operate at audio and an extra microphone is added to each earbud to pick up background audio in your hamshack or workplace. I'm guessing that the signal from one of these added microphone earbuds is then inverted; and, in turn each earbud adds the signal from its extra microphone to the audio signal from the phone's audio output. In that way, the external noise is cancelled when listening to both phones. 
>
>
>
>
>
>One way one might utilize this process in diversity mode using two radio receivers within one radio - like in a K3 or K3s - is to offset receiver B from receiver A, such that receiver B is only receiving noise. Then sum the inversion of that in an external audio circuit with the output of receiver A to receive just the CW signal generated by receiver A. This in effect would cancel the noise from each receiver similarly to that with the Bose. 
>
>
>
>
>
>Right now I'm using the K3 in diversity mode by receiving RXB via the AUX input (with a Beverage antenna) and RXA via ANT1 port (with a SteppIR vertical) and letting the K3 process the audio in its native diversity mode. To this I'm also utilizing the APF feature. It's an easy guess that this beats out the scheme described above. However, if might simply be fun to try the adhoc method. 73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS. 
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com 
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:31:53 AM 
>Subject: [Elecraft] Audio/noise diversity/phasing question 
>
>I've read where a received signal is split into two signal paths, the noise 
>is somehow shifted 180 degrees (not sure how without affecting the desired 
>signal), the two signals are fed to your headset, one to each side, somehow 
>our brains then perceive the signal to POP out of the noise. Does this apply 
>to the K3/S ? I'm very interested in anything that effectively results in a 
>higher signal to noise. 
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance. 
>
>Jerry Moore, Future K3S owner 5Sept2015 
>
>AE4PB 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Fri Aug 14 04:52:41 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:52:41 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
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References: <002001d0d501$a902c900$fb085b00$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB4A52.9040102@subich.com>	<002601d0d508$8abd97c0$a038c740$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB5D6D.8070800@subich.com>	<003b01d0d513$18d8f130$4a8ad390$@W4CCS.COM>	<55CB6A77.8080709@sonic.net><CANckpc1v3Deu0pOc26mepY4t1eehihpRt7hBEgt1n3hSFrS47g@mail.gmail.com><005001d0d539$fe162260$fa426720$@W4CCS.COM>
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Alan,
    You and your fellow engineers in Elecraft are first class!  There was no
one like you when we were younger so some things surely have changed for the
better.

                   73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan
Bloom
Sent: 13 August 2015 20:07
To: W4CCS; 'Guy Olinger K2AV'
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question

OK, what I did was change it so that, when a K3 is connected, the P3 TX 
monitor will only go into transmit mode when commanded to do so by the 
K3, even if RF power is present on the coax.  That should eliminate the 
false tripping.

It will be in the next beta release, which should be Real Soon Now.  :=)

Alan N1AL


On 08/12/2015 01:03 PM, W4CCS wrote:
> Guy:
>
> I agree and hold out hope Elecraft will do something.. If the sensitivity
is
> set low for QRP operators, seems they would not need the 2KW sensor.
>
> Maybe have an option in the setup.. Like I stated earlier, it is very
> annoying and quite sure I'm not the only one with this concern..
>
> W4CCS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
> Olinger K2AV
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:46 PM
> To: n1al at sonic.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>
> It would appear that the display needs an option to gate the display with
> the equivent of local TX asserted so it only responds to its own
transmitted
> signal.  An option because others might want to know that their TX signal
> was coming back at them on another coax.
>
> Or perhaps set an adjustable gating power level defaulted to one watt.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> The transmit sensor in the P3 TX monitor trips at only a few tenths of
>> a watt (a few watts with the 2 kW coupler).  It was made sensitive so
>> it would work with QRP.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2015 08:25 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>
>>> The radio with the TX Mon is on 6 meters only. The HF antennas are
>>> about
>>> 200 feet away and about 150 feet high. That equates to around 90 feet
>>> Above the six meter antenna.. Thought that would be adequate.
>>>
>>> This never happens on the Power Master meter or on the LP-100.. Only
>>> the TX Mon.
>>>
>>> W4CCS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>> To: W4CCS; Elecraft
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>
>>>
>>> Almost certainly "inter station coupling" particularly if the two
>>> antennas were close together and/or the (two radio) antenna switch
>>> lacks sufficient isolation.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2015 10:09 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I did not answer your question..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the VSWR is showing high and all reflected..
>>>>
>>>> CCS
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>>> Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 9:30 AM
>>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As N1AL indicated, the TX MON goes to maximum gain at low signal
levels.
>>>> You're probably seeing inter station coupling - hopefully at low
levels.
>>>>
>>>> Is the SWR very high - all "reflected"?
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>        ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:20 AM, W4CCS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two K3's and two P3's but only one has the TX Mon option..
>>>>> When I transmit with the K3 that does NOT have the TX Mon
>>>>> installed, the P3 that does have it reacts showing VSWR and one
>>>>> sweep of the transmit
>>>>>
>>>> envelope..
>>>>
>>>>> This seems very strange.. The only thing in common between the two
>>>>> is the MicroHam router program..  Suggestions..??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clyde Scott - W4CCS
>>>>>
>>>>> Moultrie, GA - EM81cg
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net  Fri Aug 14 05:48:28 2015
From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 04:48:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXV3A STILL AVAILABLE & PR6-10 (Sold)
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On 8/13/2015 2:08 PM, DGB wrote:
> KXV3A Interface Option $60 shipped STILL AVAIALABLE
>
> PR6-10 Pre-Amplifier $80 shipped SOLD
>
> Paypal or money order CONUS
>
> Thanks 73 Dwight NS9I
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Aug 14 07:04:11 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bill OMara via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:04:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 Service backed-up
Message-ID: <01e401d0d680$f34cf7d0$d9e6e770$@aol.com>

 

This is just for information, if you had planned to have a service update or
repair  done to your K3 before the big DX Contests (CQWWSSB) start up again
in late October you have probably missed the boat with Elecraft Service.

 

I sent my K3 in for repair four weeks ago (one week transit to west coast)
and last week I was told it would be on the bench this week. Now a week
later I'm told it will be on the bench hopefully next week (4 weeks) from
check-in time and best case a six week turnaround time for a repair.

 

When I got my RFA from Elecraft it was a 2 week back-log for repair and now
were at 4 weeks.

 

So, you may want to start looking for a repair service with faster
turn-around times in order to be ready for contest season.

 

73  Bill  W4RM

 


From andy.nehan at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 14 07:22:56 2015
From: andy.nehan at btinternet.com (ANDY NEHAN)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:22:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fans
Message-ID: <13707510.27111.1439551376042.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

The Noctua quiet fans are readily available in the UK (Scan computers and others) so I bought a pair. Are there quieter fans for the KPA500 as its more than a bit noisy on RTTY at 100watts or so.
Andy G4HUE K3 6990 KPA 2102 etc.

From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 14 07:23:57 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:23:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S: First Impressions
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References: <55CD42DE.6020707@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <002101d0d683$b752a150$25f7e3f0$@carolinaheli.com>

Congratulations Byron!! 
Thank you for sharing your experience. It really helps guys like me who have
saved up and waiting to order. 
Jerry Moore
AE4PB, Future K3S owner

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Byron
Peebles
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:23 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S: First Impressions

I've played with the new K3S for a little over a week now.
I'm still gainfully employed, so my hours of operation have been limited.
But, I think it's probably the proper time for "initial impressions".

First, the Elecraft people are beyond impressive.  Whether it was pre-sale
advice, the offer of extra support when the radio arrived, or the way they
approach continuous improvement, these folks are tops.  
They would need to make a pretty crappy product to not have a loyal
following just based on their own attitudes, and the products are well,
awesome, too.

I thought this was my first Elecraft, but I used a K2 briefly about ten
years ago.  It was used, not functioning perfectly and for some reason I
sold it before the magic took hold.  Instead, I've been using Kenwood, Yaesu
and TenTec top-line rigs that I've found used from local hams.  
Each of those righs served me well, and each change was an upgrade in
technology and performance.

The Elecraft K3S is a significant advance for me.  Over the years I had
grown quite accustomed to use of the Orion II features, and in contests and
DXing it was the best radio I'd ever owned.  But as the TenTec aged, and
future service options seemed to be dimming, I shipped it off to the TenTec
folks for service and ordered the K3S.  I went on vacation so the lack of a
radio didn't cause a nervous breakdown.  Hello, Disney.

I'm a DXer and a single-op contester.  I haven't been the srious contester I
was at one time, but I still value those skills in both operators and
equipment.  So, I made sure to try the K3S in one or two contests, even if
only for a few contacts.  The North American QSO Party wasn't much of a
challenge for the radio. Since *most* operators run without their amplifier,
the signals tend to be better spread out, and since it's mostly a domestic
contest, it seems there's a more casual element operating.  The Elecraft
almost made HF seem "channelized" in that I'd tune in a signal and that's
all I'd hear.  One signal.  Tune again, one signal.  Tune again.  And so on.
I was starting to think it needed buttons like the car radio.  I
experimented with the CW reader, without much luck.  I've seen videos of
others using it, but never got it to work as well as my brain (no comments,
please) so I quickly gave up.  Yes, I did the CWT and SPOT and all that. I
will try that again some slow night.

I later tried the Worked All Europe.  While I operating the NAQP on 40m QRP,
I did WAE on 40m at 100W.  I worked everyone I heard in one call. 
and although the bands were more crowded, there were no times when I had any
trouble squeezing out the noise for the signal I wanted.  The filtering is
pretty intuitive when you realize how it works, a usability impro9vement
over the Orion. So, two contests of far different style, but in both cases I
felt the receiver, the audio and the filtering were a vast improvement.

I started working to get my headset mic working.  Initially the audio was
much too low for people to hear me, and I played with TEST mode and
MONitoring to get that improved.  That made QRP possible again, and also
made any call under power a one-call contact.  Pileup, what pileup? Very
nice.  Audio from the recevier also excellent.

It too 15 minutes to get my computer software properly configured after the
Windows 10 upgrade and the change of radios.  But everything that worked
before the change works at least as good afterwards.  It took some time to
get the K3 Utility on the proper port (USB), but once I had that up and
running, things were better.  Loading CW memories and
(rotating) Macros was easy, and once I realized what the button numbers were
for the macros I was reprogramming the PF keys at an irrational pace. HI

I've only used the K3S on CW and SSB.  I never did get a decent DATA station
going with my previous radios, but this one seems worth a try.  
So, that's my next challenge: getting on RTTY/PSK and getting my first DX.

So, this is a very solid transceiver.  This one (10072) is configured with
both receivers having 2.8, 2.1, 1.0, 0.5 and 0.25 filters.  It includes the
ATU and the 100W option.  It works really well.

There is a lot of talk about how expensive it is.  I hesitated because of
that factor, but I don't jhave one ounce of regret. And how you know why I'm
still gainfully employed.  This is one of those rewards!

(100) 72, Byron

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From ejkkjh at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 08:46:26 2015
From: ejkkjh at gmail.com (ejkkjh at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:46:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K3 KXV3A for sale
Message-ID: <2E3B374CEF6E4154AAB4CA06B79C4DE9@ejhPC>

KXV3A for sale, perfect shape, light use.
Includes cover panel, mounting screws, and cable if needed.
$60 shipped conus
Contact off line  wm3m at live dot com
Thank you 73
Emory  WM3M

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Aug 14 09:07:39 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no TX on 20 and up
Message-ID: <55CDE81B.80709@nycap.rr.com>

I know this is something I have forgotten to do:  For the first time in 
a couple of years I went to use 20 meters on USP. Got no joy - hears 
well but no TX. Works fine on 160/75/40. What did I forget to do?

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Fri Aug 14 10:43:04 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - no TX on 20 and up
In-Reply-To: <55CDE81B.80709@nycap.rr.com>
References: <55CDE81B.80709@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55CDFE78.5080302@nycap.rr.com>

Question has been answered - thank you.

Bill W2BLC



From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Aug 14 10:58:06 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <7BA092A3EA0648039FBE6A54AFD4F4F8@tomsPC>

Hi everyone,
The latest release of Win4K3Suite is now available.  There are a few enhancements and changes in this release such as :
- Support for the K3S preamp and attenuator.  For this functionality, you will need to use the latest beta firmware for the K3X available at Elecraft.com.
- Support for the latest beta P3 firmware, providing noise blanker support (when available).
- Support for the latest k3 frequency memory editor.

Win4K3Suite is the most comprehensive K3 / K3S  / KX3 comtrol and integration platform available.  It controls pretty well 100% of all functionality of the radio and provides access and import / export of menu items including tech mode.  It supports the P3, KPA500, KAT500 and LPPAN.  The software panadapter provides accurate QSY in all modes and is simpler to use than other panadapters.

Win4K3Suite also has a built in software serial port router that allows integration of third party hardware and software such as N1MM+, FLDIGI, MMTTY, DXLabs, RemoteRig, and HRD Logbook and DM780.  There are no known packages that do not integrate.

You can download a free 30 day trial at va2fsq.com and check out the videos at https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
Thanks, Tom va2fsq

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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Aug 14 11:01:09 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:01:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  New release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <A3C3404AFEE24B68BF9BEC0FCB8D0328@tomsPC>

Hi everyone,
The latest release of Win4K3Suite is now available.  There are a few enhancements and changes in this release such as :
- Support for the K3S preamp and attenuator.  For this functionality, you will need to use the latest beta firmware for the K3X available at Elecraft.com.
- Support for the latest beta P3 firmware, providing noise blanker support (when available).
- Support for the latest k3 frequency memory editor.

Win4K3Suite is the most comprehensive K3 / K3S  / KX3 comtrol and integration platform available.  It controls pretty well 100% of all functionality of the radio and provides access and import / export of menu items including tech mode.  It supports the P3, KPA500, KAT500 and LPPAN.  The software panadapter provides accurate QSY in all modes and is simpler to use than other panadapters.

Win4K3Suite also has a built in software serial port router that allows integration of third party hardware and software such as N1MM+, FLDIGI, MMTTY, DXLabs, RemoteRig, and HRD Logbook and DM780.  There are no known packages that do not integrate.

You can download a free 30 day trial at va2fsq.com and check out the videos at https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
Thanks, Tom va2fsq

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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 11:58:23 2015
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:58:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 use for broadcast reception
Message-ID: <CAD2oaetFoOH1n-0JTbTcef_NeEZSbysHt7YtzGaHOC0wsHtWng@mail.gmail.com>

Do I need to change settings to optimize reception of AM broadcast? ATU
off. what else?
Bob
K7VO off to wilderness. Need to hear Seahawks game tonight.

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Aug 14 12:08:56 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 use for broadcast reception
In-Reply-To: <CAD2oaetFoOH1n-0JTbTcef_NeEZSbysHt7YtzGaHOC0wsHtWng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD2oaetFoOH1n-0JTbTcef_NeEZSbysHt7YtzGaHOC0wsHtWng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5B015B9-63AF-4619-BF01-4E9D710B1C3A@wunderwood.org>

Leave the ATU in normal mode. The KX3 uses it a filter below 1.8MHz, in order to block out strong stations.

A long wire antenna is probably a good idea.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Robert Sands <k7voradio at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do I need to change settings to optimize reception of AM broadcast? ATU
> off. what else?
> Bob
> K7VO off to wilderness. Need to hear Seahawks game tonight.
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From ron at midwin.com  Fri Aug 14 13:08:04 2015
From: ron at midwin.com (Ron Midwin)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ
Message-ID: <CALjiLsXdwJcaODceWuYsWXrSJjsxhKS9jO62sok73cq+8ytzVA@mail.gmail.com>

H have been using this software for quite a while.

I recently tried to open it and got an error message.

I'm sure this has been answered before, but since I can't seem to find any
info on it, can anyone give me the latest?

Is it still around?  Maybe there's a better version?

Tnx and 73

KB6G
Ron Midwin
424-645-7490
ron at midwin.com

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Aug 14 13:30:12 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Mark,  KE6BB via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 10:30:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 use for broadcast reception
Message-ID: <7myete8vef398ro3se7lmnhu.1439573411726@email.android.com>

Robert,
I found that in SOME (but not all) cases, ?enabling the mode noted below helps:
MCU 1.84 / DSP 1.28, 1-4-2014
?
* AM BROADCAST BAND (BCB) RECEIVE OPTIMIZATION: ?If you have a KXAT3 ATU installed, you can select one of two optimizations for reception below 1300 kHz. While in the ATU MD menu entry, tap '1' (PRE) to select either BCB NOR (the original setting, which reduces the amplitude of received harmonic images), or BCB=160 (a new setting that may improve receive sensitivity by using the 160 meter ATU settings even below 1300 kHz). BCB NOR is recommended unless you need BCB=160 in order to copy a weak AM station. You can also improve sensitivity by using higher preamp gain settings (use the PREAMP menu entry, which is per-band
MarkKE6BB?

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 14:23:26 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:23:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Weekly Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <019601d0d6be$5077e770$f167b650$@gmail.com>

All,

 

This week's Elecraft SSB net meets this Sunday, 16 August, at 1800 UTC on
14.3035 +/-. I should be net control from just north of Atlanta, GA. I'm
travelling this weekend, but fully expect to be back home Sunday for the
net. If, for some strange reason, I don't make it home, someone else please
just grab the reigns and run the net.

 

Thanks and 73,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From mattz at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 14 14:56:52 2015
From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:56:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/K3 Application Note
Message-ID: <ucessa5n2pfsvtt2psb79dv2vl4fd1o25g@4ax.com>

We've posted a new app note for the K3S and K3.  Its purpose is to
demonstrate how to set up your contact or contest logger to use a COM
port concentrator.  Some loggers require two COM ports - one for
keying and one for control.  The app note gives general information
and a specific example to use in combining the two COM ports into a
single serial port at your K3S or K3.

Application Notes can be found on our website at
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_app_notes.htm

73!
Matt

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
www.elecraft.com
831-763-4211  x129



From k1nd at comcast.net  Fri Aug 14 15:39:58 2015
From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:39:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Unofficial K2 reference is NICE
Message-ID: <55CE440E.4000101@comcast.net>

Hi Elecraft Fans:

Browsing the list-mail yesterday, I spotted this reference to the 
Elecraft K2
*LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications:*

http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html
THANKS Sverre


Having recently been inside my K2 serial number 136 ~ owned since May, 1999
replaced the RF-Gain control ~ had not had it open in 10 years ~ but it all
looked familiar (brought back fond memories of assembling it too)
Yet debating IF I should undertake the UPGRADES since 2005 . . . .
Also have the KX3--PX3--KXPA-100/AT
*/Cheers, Jan K1ND/*



From jack at satterfield.org  Fri Aug 14 16:20:22 2015
From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:20:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FS- Navigator Soundcard Cable
Message-ID: <000901d0d6ce$a637b4a0$f2a71de0$@org>

For Sale - K3 Navigator Soundcard Cables $40 mailed

 

Jack

W4GRJ

 


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Fri Aug 14 17:17:05 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:17:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S/K3 Application Note, added applicability comment
In-Reply-To: <ucessa5n2pfsvtt2psb79dv2vl4fd1o25g@4ax.com>
References: <ucessa5n2pfsvtt2psb79dv2vl4fd1o25g@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <rcmssaticnvgjhsbkpmq6efp5ecmpu9kjh@4ax.com>

Please note that the App Note applies equally to the K3S's USB-based
serial port and the K3's RS232 port.

We've posted a new app note for the K3S and K3.  Its purpose is to
demonstrate how to set up your contact or contest logger to use a COM
port concentrator.  Some loggers require two COM ports - one for
keying and one for control.  The app note gives general information
and a specific example to use in combining the two COM ports into a
single serial port at your K3S or K3.

K3S and K3 Application Notes can be found on our website at
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_app_notes.htm

73!
Matt

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
www.elecraft.com
831-763-4211  x129

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein


From n6axjohn at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 18:47:24 2015
From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:47:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 use for broadcast reception
In-Reply-To: <7myete8vef398ro3se7lmnhu.1439573411726@email.android.com>
References: <7myete8vef398ro3se7lmnhu.1439573411726@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAAFJj=qNx4yZKVN6g1V5dGVJTS2QXNqcMuk3yTuVk8fOx4KEjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just got around to measuring RX sensitivity on my KX3 and, boy, does it
drop off severely (about -30 dB) at 1 MHz....playing with the ATU settings
as others have mentioned here doesn't help

John

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Robert,
> I found that in SOME (but not all) cases,  enabling the mode noted below
> helps:
> MCU 1.84 / DSP 1.28, 1-4-2014
>
> * AM BROADCAST BAND (BCB) RECEIVE OPTIMIZATION:  If you have a KXAT3 ATU
> installed, you can select one of two optimizations for reception below 1300
> kHz. While in the ATU MD menu entry, tap '1' (PRE) to select either BCB NOR
> (the original setting, which reduces the amplitude of received harmonic
> images), or BCB=160 (a new setting that may improve receive sensitivity by
> using the 160 meter ATU settings even below 1300 kHz). BCB NOR is
> recommended unless you need BCB=160 in order to copy a weak AM station. You
> can also improve sensitivity by using higher preamp gain settings (use the
> PREAMP menu entry, which is per-band
> MarkKE6BB
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 14 19:17:24 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 19:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 use for broadcast reception
In-Reply-To: <CAAFJj=qNx4yZKVN6g1V5dGVJTS2QXNqcMuk3yTuVk8fOx4KEjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7myete8vef398ro3se7lmnhu.1439573411726@email.android.com>
	<CAAFJj=qNx4yZKVN6g1V5dGVJTS2QXNqcMuk3yTuVk8fOx4KEjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55CE7704.5010705@embarqmail.com>

John,

The T/R switch PIN diodes are protected against strong AM BC stations by 
a high pass filter.  You will have better luck if you use the RX ANT 
input (assuming you have the KXV3 option as well as the KBPF3 installed).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/14/2015 6:47 PM, John Klewer wrote:
> Just got around to measuring RX sensitivity on my KX3 and, boy, does it
> drop off severely (about -30 dB) at 1 MHz....playing with the ATU settings
> as others have mentioned here doesn't help
>
>


From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 14 22:04:30 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:04:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] FLDigi and N1MM Plus Problems
Message-ID: <6343584.409832.1439604270096.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>

Good Evening,
This is Mark Griffin KB3Z. I was going to try and work some RTTY tonight using Fldigi and N1MM Plus. As most are aware of, you can access Fldigi from N1MM Plus. I am able to do this at least for receive. But when it comes to the transmit that is another issue. I have my K3 set to Data A. On my entry screen in N1MM it shows PSK. If I go to transmit, the K3 transmits, but I don't get any ALC Bars, plus it doesn't make the normal sounds that it should for Rtty during transmit. Now, if I get out of N1MM and just use FLDigi, there are no problems whatsoever. I am totally perplexed with this. Has anyone had any success in using Fldigi with N1MM plus and getting your K3 to transmit rtty the normal way? Any help would be much appreciated. If I can't get it to work I might try MMTTY. Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From lists at subich.com  Fri Aug 14 22:16:43 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FLDigi and N1MM Plus Problems
In-Reply-To: <6343584.409832.1439604270096.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <6343584.409832.1439604270096.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55CEA10B.6040504@subich.com>


Ask this question on the N1MM Logger+ list.  Study the data sub-mode
settings *in N1MM+*.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/14/2015 10:04 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Evening,
> This is Mark Griffin KB3Z. I was going to try and work some RTTY tonight using Fldigi and N1MM Plus. As most are aware of, you can access Fldigi from N1MM Plus. I am able to do this at least for receive. But when it comes to the transmit that is another issue. I have my K3 set to Data A. On my entry screen in N1MM it shows PSK. If I go to transmit, the K3 transmits, but I don't get any ALC Bars, plus it doesn't make the normal sounds that it should for Rtty during transmit. Now, if I get out of N1MM and just use FLDigi, there are no problems whatsoever. I am totally perplexed with this. Has anyone had any success in using Fldigi with N1MM plus and getting your K3 to transmit rtty the normal way? Any help would be much appreciated. If I can't get it to work I might try MMTTY. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 14 23:34:28 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 23:34:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FLDigi and N1MM Plus Problems
In-Reply-To: <6343584.409832.1439604270096.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <6343584.409832.1439604270096.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55CEB344.2040502@embarqmail.com>

I am confused - you have N1MM saying PSK, but you are trying to transmit 
RTTY - the two do not mix.
Data A may be OK, but optimum for RTTY is AFSK A.  The sideband is LSB 
(DATA A is USB).

Since you have no problems with Fldigi alone, then the problem must be 
with the introduction of N1MM.
You may find some clues on the N1MM forum.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/14/2015 10:04 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Evening,
> This is Mark Griffin KB3Z. I was going to try and work some RTTY tonight using Fldigi and N1MM Plus. As most are aware of, you can access Fldigi from N1MM Plus. I am able to do this at least for receive. But when it comes to the transmit that is another issue. I have my K3 set to Data A. On my entry screen in N1MM it shows PSK. If I go to transmit, the K3 transmits, but I don't get any ALC Bars, plus it doesn't make the normal sounds that it should for Rtty during transmit. Now, if I get out of N1MM and just use FLDigi, there are no problems whatsoever. I am totally perplexed with this. Has anyone had any success in using Fldigi with N1MM plus and getting your K3 to transmit rtty the normal way? Any help would be much appreciated. If I can't get it to work I might try MMTTY. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
>


From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 15 11:12:07 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:12:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY and Digikeyer II Issue
Message-ID: <11684666.420245.1439651527770.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>

Good Morning,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I have downloaded the most up to date copy of MMTTY. I have setup my Digikeyer II to work with MMTTY. What is really weird is that when I press the transmit button on MMTTY I have my K3 set to Data A, but to see any ALC bars or get the normal RTTY noise I must have it set to FSK D. What's really interesting is that there are 7 ALC bars lit. No Flutter or anything like that. But no matter if I adjust the TX button on the Digikeyer II or the Line input on the K3 the number of bars does not go down. Is this normal or what? Once I get MMTTY to work with my K3, I will then try to integrate that with N1MM Plus. But first things first as they say. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug 15 11:28:08 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 11:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MMTTY and Digikeyer II Issue
In-Reply-To: <11684666.420245.1439651527770.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <11684666.420245.1439651527770.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55CF5A88.900@subich.com>


Please see the example configurations for Digikeyer II and MMTTY
and for Digikeyer II and N1MMLogger+ available in Router (Help |
Download Documents) or online in the Digikeyer II Support area of
the web site - www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html.

*BOTH* documents provide separate instructions for AFSK and FSK
operation.  AFSK operation expects audio to the transceiver's
"Line In" jack (not mic jack) while FSK expects a "shift" (on/off)
signal connected to the transceiver's FSK input.  You will need to
configure N1MM Logger+ to send the correct sub-mode to the rig
when operating data modes.  That information is in the N1MM Logger+
documentation on the N1MM Logger+ web site.

For the K3/K3S, *as documented in the Elecraft Owner's Manual*, the
proper configuration for AFSK is DATA mode, AFSK A (or DATA A) sub
mode.  MENU:MIC SEL should be set to "Line IN" and the audio input
(mic gain) adjusted for four bars of ALC with the fifth bar just
flickering.

For the K3/K3S, *as documented in the Elecraft Owner's Manual*, the
proper configuration for FSK is DATA Mode, FSK D sub-mode.  There
is no audio input and there is no control over ALC.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/15/2015 11:12 AM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Morning, This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I have downloaded the most
> up to date copy of MMTTY. I have setup my Digikeyer II to work with
> MMTTY. What is really weird is that when I press the transmit button
> on MMTTY I have my K3 set to Data A, but to see any ALC bars or get
> the normal RTTY noise I must have it set to FSK D. What's really
> interesting is that there are 7 ALC bars lit. No Flutter or anything
> like that. But no matter if I adjust the TX button on the Digikeyer
> II or the Line input on the K3 the number of bars does not go down.
> Is this normal or what? Once I get MMTTY to work with my K3, I will
> then try to integrate that with N1MM Plus. But first things first as
> they say. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
> ______________________________________________________________

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug 15 13:14:26 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Don Putnick via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:14:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/S] For Sale: 8-pole Roofing Filters
Message-ID: <365259452.5139413.1439658866757.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

For sale, individual ormultiple:


?
KFL3A-250???250 Hz, 8-pole cw/data filter $95

KFL3A-2.1K? 2.1 kHz,8-pole SSB filter $80

KFL3A-6K????6kHz 8-pole AM / ESSB filter $80


?
Price includes USPSshipping to USA.


?
Please contact me off list: Don dot NA6Z at yahoo dot com? ??

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Aug 15 13:22:38 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Setup problems with k3s and rtty
Message-ID: <E43F15C9-0DB9-4B1D-9C5F-A0F0F59843C0@widomaker.com>


I'm trying to set up my Elecraft kilo-3-sugar with FSK for the Roundup tomorrow.  I have an interface by AC8Y. It's plugged into the serial port com1 on my computer. Every time I try to tell n1mm to use com1 for CW, PTT, or DIG I'm told that com1 is in use by another program and is configured by n1mm and n1mm won't work until this is resolved. Well fancy that!  Of course it's in use. It's the interface I'm trying to use for n1mm!!!!

This seems crazy to me. 

I wish I could just go back to AFSK and my one cable setup. But now all my AFSK settings are trashed. If FSK is so much better why don't it work easier?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. 


From ve3iay at storm.ca  Sat Aug 15 16:22:55 2015
From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Setup problems with k3s and rtty
Message-ID: <55CF9F9F.3090006@storm.ca>

1. With the K3/K3S, FSK is *not* better than AFSK. In fact, before 
firmware version 4.66 in March 2013, the K3's tranmitted signal in AFSK 
was demonstrably cleaner than its signal in FSK. Now they are about equal.

2. If COM1 is a USB-to-serial adapter rather than a true serial port, 
then you will need to use EXTFSK with MMTTY; standard single-port 
USB-to-serial adapters cannot go slowly enough to do 45.45 baud RTTY.

3. There are either two (N1MM+ and MMTTY) or three (N1MM+, MMTTY and 
EXTFSK) programs involved. Only one of them has direct access to COM1. 
You should not have COM1 configured at all in N1MM Logger+. If COM1 is a 
true serial port, MMTTY should be configured to use COM1 as its PTT & 
FSK port. If COM1 is a USB-to-serial adapter, MMTTY should be configured 
to use EXTFSK as its PTT & FSK port, and EXTFSK should be configured to 
use COM1.

I think it would have been simpler to stick with AFSK.

73,
Rich VE3KI



NR4C wrote:

> I'm trying to set up my Elecraft kilo-3-sugar with FSK for the Roundup tomorrow.  I \
> have an interface by AC8Y. It's plugged into the serial port com1 on my computer. \
> Every time I try to tell n1mm to use com1 for CW, PTT, or DIG I'm told that com1 is \
> in use by another program and is configured by n1mm and n1mm won't work until this is \
> resolved. Well fancy that!  Of course it's in use. It's the interface I'm trying to \
> use for n1mm!!!!
>
> This seems crazy to me.
>
> I wish I could just go back to AFSK and my one cable setup. But now all my AFSK \
> settings are trashed. If FSK is so much better why don't it work easier?


From lists at subich.com  Sat Aug 15 16:35:16 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 16:35:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Setup problems with k3s and rtty
In-Reply-To: <55CF9F9F.3090006@storm.ca>
References: <55CF9F9F.3090006@storm.ca>
Message-ID: <55CFA284.8060505@subich.com>


 > 2. If COM1 is a USB-to-serial adapter rather than a true serial port,
 > then you will need to use EXTFSK with MMTTY; standard single-port
 > USB-to-serial adapters cannot go slowly enough to do 45.45 baud RTTY.

If you have hardware that forces you to use EXTFSK, locate and download
EXTFSK64 (if you have an i5 or i7 CPU and > 4GB of RAM) or stick with
AFSK.  The original EXTFSK uses the old Windows Multi-media timer and
suffers greatly from bit jitter.  EXTFSK64 reduces jitter by nearly
90%.

Bit-jitter is effectively applying flutter to your transmit signal - it
can make an otherwise "solid" signal marginal and will make a marginal
signal impossible to copy.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/15/2015 4:22 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:
> 1. With the K3/K3S, FSK is *not* better than AFSK. In fact, before
> firmware version 4.66 in March 2013, the K3's tranmitted signal in AFSK
> was demonstrably cleaner than its signal in FSK. Now they are about equal.
>
> 2. If COM1 is a USB-to-serial adapter rather than a true serial port,
> then you will need to use EXTFSK with MMTTY; standard single-port
> USB-to-serial adapters cannot go slowly enough to do 45.45 baud RTTY.
>
> 3. There are either two (N1MM+ and MMTTY) or three (N1MM+, MMTTY and
> EXTFSK) programs involved. Only one of them has direct access to COM1.
> You should not have COM1 configured at all in N1MM Logger+. If COM1 is a
> true serial port, MMTTY should be configured to use COM1 as its PTT &
> FSK port. If COM1 is a USB-to-serial adapter, MMTTY should be configured
> to use EXTFSK as its PTT & FSK port, and EXTFSK should be configured to
> use COM1.
>
> I think it would have been simpler to stick with AFSK.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
>
>
> NR4C wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to set up my Elecraft kilo-3-sugar with FSK for the Roundup
>> tomorrow.  I \
>> have an interface by AC8Y. It's plugged into the serial port com1 on
>> my computer. \
>> Every time I try to tell n1mm to use com1 for CW, PTT, or DIG I'm told
>> that com1 is \
>> in use by another program and is configured by n1mm and n1mm won't
>> work until this is \
>> resolved. Well fancy that!  Of course it's in use. It's the interface
>> I'm trying to \
>> use for n1mm!!!!
>>
>> This seems crazy to me.
>>
>> I wish I could just go back to AFSK and my one cable setup. But now
>> all my AFSK \
>> settings are trashed. If FSK is so much better why don't it work easier?
>

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sat Aug 15 16:39:24 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Don Putnick via Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/S] SOLD: 8-pole Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <365259452.5139413.1439658866757.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <365259452.5139413.1439658866757.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2009412106.5146515.1439671165369.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

All three have been sold. Thanks for your interest.73 Don NA6z
      From: Don Putnick <don.na6z at yahoo.com>
 To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 10:14 AM
 Subject: [K3/S] For Sale: 8-pole Roofing Filters
   
For sale, individual ormultiple: ?KFL3A-250???250 Hz, 8-pole cw/data filter $95KFL3A-2.1K? 2.1 kHz,8-pole SSB filter $80KFL3A-6K????6kHz 8-pole AM / ESSB filter $80 ?Price includes USPSshipping to USA. ?Please contact me off list: Don dot NA6Z at yahoo dot com? ??


  

From roycraft at comcast.net  Sat Aug 15 18:05:54 2015
From: roycraft at comcast.net (Ted Roycraft)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 18:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Usefulness?
In-Reply-To: <55CC09B6.1010302@triconet.org>
References: <00978FFC-CFFA-411D-8C51-8417BF5CA673@mac.com><55CB7B9C.5000101@gmail.com>	<55CBC6CA.2090802@audiosystemsgroup.com><55CBCB35.4090506@flex.com>	<55CBCD8C.3000901@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Message-ID: <55CFB7C2.2000505@comcast.net>

Sorry for the somewhat off-topic post but this is the first time I have 
heard the Eico 720 mentioned in decades.  I happen to have one if anyone 
is interested in buying it.

Ted, W2ZK

On 8/12/2015 11:06 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> Not if you're looking at an Eico 720. It will be difficult to identify 
> keying sidebands amongst the drift and chirp.
>
> On 8/12/2015 3:49 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Wed,8/12/2015 3:39 PM, Merv Schweigert wrote:
>>> I think hes referring to improving the Eico 720 keying shape.
>>
>> Sorry, I missed that. :)  BUT -- the frequency domain is still the 
>> best place to be looking at the signal as you make changes.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Aug 15 18:20:16 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 22:20:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & 2 x Amplifiers
Message-ID: <mailman.204.1439677238.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi:

I am thinking about purchasing a KPA500, as a backup amp as well as 
having the ability to work 6m, but have a question about hooking it up.

Currently I have a tube amp hooked up to Antenna Port 1, and using 
the Key out jack to key the amplifier. I also have a Microham MK2R+ hooked
up to the Aux DB15 Port.

I would like to know if it is possible to hook up the KPA500 to the 
Antenna Port 2, use the KPAK3AUX cable and splitter cable from the K3 
to KPA500,
and then other half of the splitter cable to the MK2R+. When in 
normal use the I would use Antenna Port #1, and when I want to work 
6m or the KPA500
amp use Antenna Port #2.

I guess a question comes to mind, is the key out jack isolated from 
the keying line on the KPAK3AUX cable. I see that is being the major 
issue, but I am
sure I am not the first one to think of this possible setup. I 
welcome any comments etc. Tnx


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From mteberle at mchsi.com  Sat Aug 15 22:09:07 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:09:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & 2 x Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <20150815222150.CB5BE149AFED@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150815222150.CB5BE149AFED@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55CFF0C3.3080304@mchsi.com>

Hi Mike,

I'm not sure if the Key Out and key line on the Aux port are isolated or 
not.  At one time I had the KPA500, a tube amp, and a 2M amp for the 
internal transverter all connected.  I used a KRC2 band decoder 
connected to a couple of relays that would switch the Key Out signal 
among the three depending on what band I am on.  It requires some extra 
cabling because it needs to also needs to connect to the AUX port as 
well as the KPA500/KAT500.

With only 2 amps, you may be able to use a relay to switch the Key Out 
signal controlled by the DIGOUT 1 pin on the Aux connector. You would 
have to set DIGOUT 1 in the K3 config menu to 'OFF' on every band except 
for 6M where it would be set to ON.  You would have to make sure to use 
a relay small enough that it doesn't pull more current than the DIGOUT 1 
pin can handle though.

73
Mike - KI0HA

On 8/15/2015 5:20 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I would like to know if it is possible to hook up the KPA500 to the 
> Antenna Port 2, use the KPAK3AUX cable and splitter cable from the K3 
> to KPA500,
> and then other half of the splitter cable to the MK2R+. When in normal 
> use the I would use Antenna Port #1, and when I want to work 6m or the 
> KPA500
> amp use Antenna Port #2.
>
> I guess a question comes to mind, is the key out jack isolated from 
> the keying line on the KPAK3AUX cable. I see that is being the major 
> issue, but I am
> sure I am not the first one to think of this possible setup. I welcome 
> any comments etc. Tnx
>
>
> 73 De Mike
> VE3YF


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Aug 15 22:24:36 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & 2 x Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <55CFF0C3.3080304@mchsi.com>
References: <20150815222150.CB5BE149AFED@mailman.qth.net>
	<55CFF0C3.3080304@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <55CFF464.8030305@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,8/15/2015 7:09 PM, Michael Eberle wrote:
> At one time I had the KPA500, a tube amp, and a 2M amp for the 
> internal transverter all connected.

For as long as I've had my KPA500, I've had both it and a TenTec Titan 
425 connected to the K3's amp key line. The Titan key input is the base 
of a transistor.

73, JimK9YC

From kristinn1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 23:33:12 2015
From: kristinn1 at gmail.com (TF3KX)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 20:33:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
Message-ID: <1439695992324-7606331.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi everyone.

Has anyone any experience or suggestions on replacing an aging internal K2
battery (the standard lead-acid type) with one of the newer, lighter and
more energy-dense batteries? I know there were some safety concerns with
lithium-based batteries early on, but now that they are are used in all
sorts of electronic gadgets, wouldn't there be some that would have the
right form factor and voltage to fit in for the existing K2 battery?



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From ron at k5mm.com  Sun Aug 16 00:15:23 2015
From: ron at k5mm.com (Ron Freeman)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 23:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & 3 amps
Message-ID: <3A2EE1A6-472D-4792-95F4-BE557A17C1DA@k5mm.com>

My K3 key line runs to a Radio Shack breakout box that connects  3 amplifiers, including a legal limit 6M unit,  that are selected via a mechanical switch.  I believe I could have simply divided the  Key line via two Y connectors to the amps directly and skipped the breakout box  if only only one Amp was powered up at a time.

73//k5mm/ron




From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 16 00:15:49 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 00:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
In-Reply-To: <1439695992324-7606331.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439695992324-7606331.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55D00E75.1040202@embarqmail.com>

The charging scheme for the K2 internal battery is based on using an SLA 
battery.  If the battery is changed to another battery chemistry, the 
charging circuit would have to be modified to match the charging 
requirements of the replacement battery type.
Since Lithium batteries require very special charging techniques, this 
is a matter that is not to be taken lightly.
A simple replacement of the K2 SLA battery with another battery 
chemistry would have to be a redesign of the charging mechanism.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/15/2015 11:33 PM, TF3KX wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Has anyone any experience or suggestions on replacing an aging internal K2
> battery (the standard lead-acid type) with one of the newer, lighter and
> more energy-dense batteries? I know there were some safety concerns with
> lithium-based batteries early on, but now that they are are used in all
> sorts of electronic gadgets, wouldn't there be some that would have the
> right form factor and voltage to fit in for the existing K2 battery?
>
>
>
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 00:45:28 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:45:28 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
In-Reply-To: <1439695992324-7606331.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439695992324-7606331.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.55d01568.1fdf73c5.16b@mbp13.lan>

I use a 4-cell LiFePO4 battery, with Anderson Power Pole pigtail, connected externally to the K2. Easy to change batteries without having to open the rig, and by recharging the battery external to the radio there is no risk of engulfing my beloved K2 in a spectacular ball of flame.

--?
73 de Matt VK2RQ

Le 16 ao?t 2015 ? 1:33:44 PM, TF3KX (kristinn1 at gmail.com) a ?crit:

Hi everyone.  

Has anyone any experience or suggestions on replacing an aging internal K2  
battery (the standard lead-acid type) with one of the newer, lighter and  
more energy-dense batteries? I know there were some safety concerns with  
lithium-based batteries early on, but now that they are are used in all  
sorts of electronic gadgets, wouldn't there be some that would have the  
right form factor and voltage to fit in for the existing K2 battery?  



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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 01:16:20 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:16:20 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 & 2 x Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <55CFF0C3.3080304@mchsi.com>
References: <20150815222150.CB5BE149AFED@mailman.qth.net>
	<55CFF0C3.3080304@mchsi.com>
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All you need are diodes to isolate the keyout lines going to the amplifiers. Just turn off the amp you aren't using. You can use a simple transistor switch operated by DIGOUT1 to increase the current it can provide.
I would like to see Elecraft add the ability to control all the DIGOUT lines via macro to provide more station control functionality.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 16, 2015, at 5:09 AM, Michael Eberle <mteberle at mchsi.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I'm not sure if the Key Out and key line on the Aux port are isolated or not.  At one time I had the KPA500, a tube amp, and a 2M amp for the internal transverter all connected.  I used a KRC2 band decoder connected to a couple of relays that would switch the Key Out signal among the three depending on what band I am on.  It requires some extra cabling because it needs to also needs to connect to the AUX port as well as the KPA500/KAT500.
> 
> With only 2 amps, you may be able to use a relay to switch the Key Out signal controlled by the DIGOUT 1 pin on the Aux connector. You would have to set DIGOUT 1 in the K3 config menu to 'OFF' on every band except for 6M where it would be set to ON.  You would have to make sure to use a relay small enough that it doesn't pull more current than the DIGOUT 1 pin can handle though.
> 
> 73
> Mike - KI0HA
> 
>> On 8/15/2015 5:20 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
>> Hi:
>> 
>> I would like to know if it is possible to hook up the KPA500 to the Antenna Port 2, use the KPAK3AUX cable and splitter cable from the K3 to KPA500,
>> and then other half of the splitter cable to the MK2R+. When in normal use the I would use Antenna Port #1, and when I want to work 6m or the KPA500
>> amp use Antenna Port #2.
>> 
>> I guess a question comes to mind, is the key out jack isolated from the keying line on the KPAK3AUX cable. I see that is being the major issue, but I am
>> sure I am not the first one to think of this possible setup. I welcome any comments etc. Tnx
>> 
>> 
>> 73 De Mike
>> VE3YF
> 
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Sun Aug 16 05:46:19 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 09:46:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
Message-ID: <mailman.205.1439718401.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Thanks to all that have replied to my question. Looks like it is a go 
to get a KPA500. It will definitely be a nice addition to the shack.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 06:38:37 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 03:38:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
Message-ID: <1439721517872-7606337.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
to E6GG next month. 
Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.  
After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
I have tried the following remedies:
Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
Replaced panels.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Performed EE INIT
Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
upgrade)
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.

Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
73
David G3WGN WJ6O



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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Sun Aug 16 06:56:34 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 12:56:34 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and
 SYN3A upgrade
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David,

so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always 
failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to 
KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for 
sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running 
old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.

73 Udo, DK5YA

Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
> to E6GG next month.
> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
> I have tried the following remedies:
> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
> Replaced panels.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Performed EE INIT
> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
> upgrade)
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>
> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
> 73
> David G3WGN WJ6O
>
>
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 07:01:48 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:01:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and
	SYN3A upgrade
In-Reply-To: <55D06C62.1050002@dk5ya.de>
References: <1439721517872-7606337.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Thanks Udo.
Did you have RF out while the KXV3B was installed?  I get no RF either below or above the 12Watt PA changeover point setting on the PWR control.
73, David

From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606338h49 at n2.nabble.com]
Sent: 16 August 2015 11:58
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

David,

so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always
failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to
KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for
sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running
old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.

73 Udo, DK5YA

Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:

> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
> to E6GG next month.
> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
> I have tried the following remedies:
> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
> Replaced panels.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Performed EE INIT
> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
> upgrade)
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>
> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
> 73
> David G3WGN WJ6O
>
>
>
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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Sun Aug 16 07:09:35 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:09:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and
 SYN3A upgrade
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David,

exactly the same here.

Udo, DK5YA

Am 16.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
> Thanks Udo.
> Did you have RF out while the KXV3B was installed?  I get no RF either below or above the 12Watt PA changeover point setting on the PWR control.
> 73, David
>
> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606338h49 at n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 11:58
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> David,
>
> so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always
> failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to
> KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for
> sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
> I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running
> old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
> Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.
>
> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>
> Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
>>
>>
>>
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 07:20:12 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:20:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and
	SYN3A upgrade
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Thanks. Time to talk to Elecraft, I think!
73, David

From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606340h11 at n2.nabble.com]
Sent: 16 August 2015 12:11
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

David,

exactly the same here.

Udo, DK5YA

Am 16.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:

> Thanks Udo.
> Did you have RF out while the KXV3B was installed?  I get no RF either below or above the 12Watt PA changeover point setting on the PWR control.
> 73, David
>
> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=0>]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 11:58
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=1>>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> David,
>
> so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always
> failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to
> KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for
> sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
> I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running
> old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
> Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.
>
> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>
> Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
>>
>>
>>
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From dk5ya at dk5ya.de  Sun Aug 16 07:27:04 2015
From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:27:04 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after
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David,

please let the list know what Elecraft says.

73 Udo

Am 16.08.2015 um 13:20 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
> Thanks. Time to talk to Elecraft, I think!
> 73, David
>
> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606340h11 at n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 12:11
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> David,
>
> exactly the same here.
>
> Udo, DK5YA
>
> Am 16.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>
>> Thanks Udo.
>> Did you have RF out while the KXV3B was installed?  I get no RF either below or above the 12Watt PA changeover point setting on the PWR control.
>> 73, David
>>
>> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=0>]
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 11:58
>> To: David Aslin G3WGN <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=1>>
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>>
>> David,
>>
>> so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always
>> failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to
>> KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for
>> sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
>> I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running
>> old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
>> Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.
>>
>> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>>
>> Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>>
>>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
>>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>>> to E6GG next month.
>>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>>> I have tried the following remedies:
>>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>>> Replaced panels.
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>> Performed EE INIT
>>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>>> upgrade)
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>>> 73
>>> David G3WGN WJ6O
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 07:36:34 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 04:36:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [SPAM?] Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after
 KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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Will do.
David

From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606342h73 at n2.nabble.com]
Sent: 16 August 2015 12:29
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

David,

please let the list know what Elecraft says.

73 Udo

Am 16.08.2015 um 13:20 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:

> Thanks. Time to talk to Elecraft, I think!
> 73, David
>
> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606342&i=0>]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 12:11
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606342&i=1>>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> David,
>
> exactly the same here.
>
> Udo, DK5YA
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> Am 16.08.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>
>> Thanks Udo.
>> Did you have RF out while the KXV3B was installed?  I get no RF either below or above the 12Watt PA changeover point setting on the PWR control.
>> 73, David
>>
>> From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=0>]
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 11:58
>> To: David Aslin G3WGN <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606340&i=1>>
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM?] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>>
>> David,
>>
>> so did I in June, replaced KXV3-A by KXV3-B, TX calibration always
>> failed. Tried several times: back to KXV3-A, calibration works, again to
>> KXV3-B, calibration failed. Checked TMP's a hundred times, no fail for
>> sure. I didn't replace the SYN-boards.
>> I finally gave up after 1 week of constant dissapointment. Still running
>> old KXV3-A, have a KXV3-B for sale now.
>> Rig: K3 ser. 59xx, ESD workbench.
>>
>> 73 Udo, DK5YA
>>
>> Am 16.08.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Dave G3WGN M6O:
>>
>>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on
>>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>>> to E6GG next month.
>>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>>> I have tried the following remedies:
>>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>>> Replaced panels.
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>> Performed EE INIT
>>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>>> upgrade)
>>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>>> 73
>>> David G3WGN WJ6O
>>>
>>>
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From gdt at lexort.com  Sun Aug 16 09:03:05 2015
From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 09:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
In-Reply-To: <55D00E75.1040202@embarqmail.com> (Don Wilhelm's message of "Sun, 
	16 Aug 2015 00:15:49 -0400")
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Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> writes:

> The charging scheme for the K2 internal battery is based on using an
> SLA battery.  If the battery is changed to another battery chemistry,
> the charging circuit would have to be modified to match the charging
> requirements of the replacement battery type.
> Since Lithium batteries require very special charging techniques, this
> is a matter that is not to be taken lightly.
> A simple replacement of the K2 SLA battery with another battery
> chemistry would have to be a redesign of the charging mechanism.

Don is of course right about simply putting in a battery with different chemistry.

But, there are LiFePO4 batteries with integrated controllers
specifically made so that they can be substituted for lead acid in
existing equipment.  Basically it has a charge controller for the
LiFePO4 that operates on the charging voltage for lead acid.  This item
replaces the 7Ah size; I don't know if there's an equivalent item for
the size in the K2.

http://www.amazon.com/A123-Systems-ALM-12V7/dp/B008VVO6LE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_328_12?ie=UTF8&refRID=0R6H1NBH31JQ509VCJ3V

(I have not tried this; I'm still a lead-acid using dinosaur.)

73 de n1dam


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug 16 10:24:17 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 07:24:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
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I soon (12-13 years ago) decided I didn't want a 
battery inside the K2 -- so it was removed and 
only external batteries used. I was overly(?) 
concerned about leakage and such issues. I'd have 
the same, or greater, concerns with some of the 
newer, higher-density batteries if inside my K2.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/15/15 8:33 PM, TF3KX wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> Has anyone any experience or suggestions on replacing an aging internal K2
> battery (the standard lead-acid type) with one of the newer, lighter and
> more energy-dense batteries? I know there were some safety concerns with
> lithium-based batteries early on, but now that they are are used in all
> sorts of electronic gadgets, wouldn't there be some that would have the
> right form factor and voltage to fit in for the existing K2 battery?


From w2lj at verizon.net  Sun Aug 16 10:35:57 2015
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry Makoski)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:35:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] August RFTB tonight!
Message-ID: <ab94d9b0285dc542b73e359736338403@192.168.1.4>

Tonight is the August 2015 edition of the Run For The Bacon.
 
"RFTB? What the heck is that?", you may be asking. 

RFTB is a friendly QRP Sprint that is held on the 3rd Sunday evening of every month, and is sponsored by the Flying Pigs Amateur Radio Club, International. 

The sprint is the same time, ragardless of time change:
East Coast - 9:00 to 11:00 PM local time 
Midwest - 8:00 to 10:00 PM local time.
Mountains - 7:00 to 9:00 PM local time.
West Coast - 6:00 to 8:00 PM local time.

Complete rules can be found at http://fpqrp.org/pigrun

72, "oo" es see you on the bands!
Larry W2LJ - Flying Pig #612

From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Aug 16 11:25:04 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:25:04 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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David,
    I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with
second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.

                    73 Doug EI2CN
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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
G3WGN M6O
Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade
on
my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
to E6GG next month. 
Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.  
After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
I have tried the following remedies:
Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
Replaced panels.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Performed EE INIT
Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
upgrade)
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.

Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
73
David G3WGN WJ6O



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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 11:33:04 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:33:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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Thanks Doug.
Did the radio put out any RF when it failed to calibrate?  I'm getting none when I key the rig.
73, David G3WGN

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Turnbull [mailto:turnbull at net1.ie] 
Sent: 16 August 2015 16:25
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade


David,
    I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.

                    73 Doug EI2CN
-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave G3WGN M6O
Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade on my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading to E6GG next month. 
Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.  
After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
I have tried the following remedies:
Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
Replaced panels.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
Performed EE INIT
Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
upgrade)
Re-attempted Calibration - same error.

Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
73
David G3WGN WJ6O



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From rtavan at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 11:56:15 2015
From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 08:56:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
In-Reply-To: <20150816094739.2151E149AFB3@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20150816094739.2151E149AFB3@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONA+_dVp7wmPeGJX6DhYyf7VLmhYgLutVG6Noey_1rhwghg@mail.gmail.com>

When my sometimes SO2R-capable station is set up for SO1R and remote
operation, I parallel two band decoders across the K3 ACC and power them on
one at a time to select antennas for either an Alpha 87A or a KPA500
connected via ANT1 and ANT2. I parallel the key and PTT lines as you
contemplated and so far haven't needed steering diodes there. I can thus
operate either locally or remotely with my choice of amplifiers. I find
that I use the KPA500 most of the time, warming up the big amp only when I
want to break a tough pileup or go all-out in a contest. The KPA500 is so
convenient!

BTW, KPA500 Remote is a better control panel than the physical panel on the
amp itself, and it operates either locally or remotely. Ditto KAT500
Remote. Both are free downloads from Elecraft.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:46 AM, Mike VE3YF <Mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all that have replied to my question. Looks like it is a go to
> get a KPA500. It will definitely be a nice addition to the shack.
>
>
> 73 De Mike
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>
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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug 16 12:14:08 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 12:14:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. K3 with options
Message-ID: <2F91424B-3957-4114-8470-AA0E0EA3704C@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang:

I recently built a KXPA100 to go with my KX3 and am enjoying the pair so much that I will now offer for sale my K3 s/n 4528 with options.

1.  KPA3 100W amplifier

2. KAT3 100W auto tuner

3. KXV3A Interface

4.  PR6 6M preamp

5.  400Hz 8 pole CW filter

6.  2.8Khz 8 pole SSB filter 

The K3 works great and is absolutely MINT...there isn't a mark on this radio...you can't tell it from a new one.

Pictures available for serious buyers.

Will ship for $2450 CONUS only...sorry, no overseas shipping.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am



From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sun Aug 16 12:22:02 2015
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:22:02 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
In-Reply-To: <A4D358C2759942828BA08DAA1D974FBD@DOUG1>
References: <1439721517872-7606337.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A4D358C2759942828BA08DAA1D974FBD@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <55D0B8AA.7010703@horizon.co.fk>

Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.

It is version 1.15.6.29

I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the KXV3B 
which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there have been 
some timing changes.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>
> David,
>      I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with
> second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>
>                      73 Doug EI2CN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
> G3WGN M6O
> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade
> on
> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
> to E6GG next month.
> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
> I have tried the following remedies:
> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
> Replaced panels.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Performed EE INIT
> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
> upgrade)
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>
> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
> 73
> David G3WGN WJ6O

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Aug 16 13:34:26 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:34:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Need testers for new KX3 firmware allowing 10 W output
	down to 10 V supply
Message-ID: <98E1E94B-2C47-4362-8A87-80C384033159@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

We have a new field-test release of KX3 firmware (rev. 2.34) that will let you set power output as high as 10 watts with a supply voltage of as little as 10 volts. Previously, settings over 5 watts required a supply voltage of 11 V.

This change will be especially useful when the rig is powered by a 3-cell Li-ion battery pack (typically three 18650 cells). Such packs initially put out over 12 V, but quickly drop to about 11 V. By the time they get to 10 V, they're nearing end of charge, and you really do want to drop to 5 W at that point. But while they're in the 11-V range, up to 10 W is practical.

We still recommend the use of higher supply voltages when available. But you'll now be able to get that extra 3 dB in the field when if really need it.

If you'd like to give this firmware a try, please email me directly. If I don't get back to you, don't worry -- the new code will likely be promoted to beta status early next week.

73,

Wayne
N6KR


 

From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug 16 13:40:47 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:40:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Mic - VOX interaction
Message-ID: <55D0CB1F.1040502@triconet.org>


Setup for RTTY using AFSK and VOX was easy with my original K3.  Not so much 
with the K3S.

What I've noted is that with the new internal sound card the Line Level is much 
fussier and the apparent gain requires lowering the Windows slider to about 25% 
vs. 50% on the laptop sound card used with the old K3.  This isn't a surprising 
or insurmountable issue, but does make it more difficult to get a flickering ALC 
bar. Without care I get a hard over 7 bars reading.

But a more puzzling issue is the fact that while doing this experiment, I 
discovered that the VOX gain is dependent on the Line Level/Mic gain.  This has 
made setup even more hair triggered. If I lower the Line Level to get flickering 
bars, I must increase VOX gain and then it's way too sensitive on SSB.

After investigation, I've found this to be true on both radios, although I never 
noted it before on the old K3.  IMHO VOX should operate in parallel with the TX 
audio, not in series.

Perhaps one of the geniuses at Elecraft could fix this in firmware, if not could 
we at least have VOX gain saved by mode?

Wes  N7WS

From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 14:16:35 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 11:16:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
In-Reply-To: <55D0B8AA.7010703@horizon.co.fk>
References: <1439721517872-7606337.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A4D358C2759942828BA08DAA1D974FBD@DOUG1>
	<55D0B8AA.7010703@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <89447981ac1744bd89048dd7549ece54@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

Mike (and all who have sent replies on and off reflector) - thank you.
I should have been more precise in my note.  The firmware I'm using:

MCU 05.33
FPF 01.23
DSP 02.86

Utility 1.15.6.29

Since the original posting I have reloaded the utility and all firmware.  No change - still no RF out and calibration fails with 0Watts message. Synths check out OK and KXV3B is enabled.
MCU 05.33 was released Friday so is a potential source of the issue.  I could not find a way to roll back to an earlier MCU release to check that out.
73, David G3WGN


From: Mike Harris-9 [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606351h52 at n2.nabble.com]
Sent: 16 August 2015 17:24
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.

It is version 1.15.6.29

I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the KXV3B
which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there have been
some timing changes.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:

>
> David,
>      I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with
> second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>
>                      73 Doug EI2CN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=0>] On Behalf Of Dave
> G3WGN M6O
> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade
> on
> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
> to E6GG next month.
> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
> I have tried the following remedies:
> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
> Replaced panels.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
> Performed EE INIT
> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
> upgrade)
> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>
> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
> 73
> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Aug 16 14:21:57 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 11:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
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Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Aug 16 14:36:35 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 11:36:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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David,

The KXV3B itself should have nothing to do with this unless it is damaged or installed incorrectly. Also, many K3 users have this same hardware setup along with rev. 5.33 firmware. So I suspect a firmware configuration issue. Make sure you're not in TX TEST mode; have crystal filters configured correctly; have the SUB IN board installed correctly (if applicable); TUN PWR set to NOR; TX ALC ON; 2-TONE OFF; TX INH OFF. Also try removing the sub RX (if applicable) and reinstalling the bypass jumper for the sub-IN module. Get it down to the simplest configuration possible.

Please send all of the info to k3support and they'll contact you on Monday.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <david at aslinvc.com> wrote:

> Mike (and all who have sent replies on and off reflector) - thank you.
> I should have been more precise in my note.  The firmware I'm using:
> 
> MCU 05.33
> FPF 01.23
> DSP 02.86
> 
> Utility 1.15.6.29
> 
> Since the original posting I have reloaded the utility and all firmware.  No change - still no RF out and calibration fails with 0Watts message. Synths check out OK and KXV3B is enabled.
> MCU 05.33 was released Friday so is a potential source of the issue.  I could not find a way to roll back to an earlier MCU release to check that out.
> 73, David G3WGN
> 
> 
> From: Mike Harris-9 [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606351h52 at n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 17:24
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
> Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
> 
> Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.
> 
> It is version 1.15.6.29
> 
> I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the KXV3B
> which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there have been
> some timing changes.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> 
>> 
>> David,
>>     I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with
>> second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
>> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
>> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
>> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>> 
>>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=0>] On Behalf Of Dave
>> G3WGN M6O
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
>> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade
>> on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Aug 16 14:41:07 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:41:07 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1ADA1190-8A6B-4DD2-9BC6-4D3357B5301F@elecraft.com>
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Wayne and David,
     The service is what is so classy about Elecraft.  Even if the radios
were not at the top of the pile such service would make one think of
sticking with Elecraft but of course the Sherwood tests tell us Elecraft is
amongst the very best.

      Good going Wayne!

                   73 Doug EI2CN   

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Sent: 16 August 2015 18:37
To: Dave G3WGN M6O
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A
upgrade

David,

The KXV3B itself should have nothing to do with this unless it is damaged or
installed incorrectly. Also, many K3 users have this same hardware setup
along with rev. 5.33 firmware. So I suspect a firmware configuration issue.
Make sure you're not in TX TEST mode; have crystal filters configured
correctly; have the SUB IN board installed correctly (if applicable); TUN
PWR set to NOR; TX ALC ON; 2-TONE OFF; TX INH OFF. Also try removing the sub
RX (if applicable) and reinstalling the bypass jumper for the sub-IN module.
Get it down to the simplest configuration possible.

Please send all of the info to k3support and they'll contact you on Monday.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <david at aslinvc.com> wrote:

> Mike (and all who have sent replies on and off reflector) - thank you.
> I should have been more precise in my note.  The firmware I'm using:
> 
> MCU 05.33
> FPF 01.23
> DSP 02.86
> 
> Utility 1.15.6.29
> 
> Since the original posting I have reloaded the utility and all firmware.
No change - still no RF out and calibration fails with 0Watts message.
Synths check out OK and KXV3B is enabled.
> MCU 05.33 was released Friday so is a potential source of the issue.  I
could not find a way to roll back to an earlier MCU release to check that
out.
> 73, David G3WGN
> 
> 
> From: Mike Harris-9 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606351h52 at n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 17:24
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
> Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
> 
> Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.
> 
> It is version 1.15.6.29
> 
> I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the KXV3B
> which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there have been
> some timing changes.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> 
>> 
>> David,
>>     I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s)
with
>> second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
>> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
>> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
>> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>> 
>>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden
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>> G3WGN M6O
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
>> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain
fade
>> on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four
heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the
panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.
I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed
with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sun Aug 16 14:52:51 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 11:52:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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Wayne,
Huge thanks for interrupting your weekend.  I see Doug EI2CN has already taken the words out of my mouth re Elecraft support - it is indeed awesome and impressive.
All understood and I'll work through your suggestions later this evening/tomorrow morning my time.
I'll get a dossier to K3 support in time for business hours Pacific time tomorrow.
73, David G3WGN

From: wayne burdick [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606356h7 at n2.nabble.com]
Sent: 16 August 2015 19:38
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

David,

The KXV3B itself should have nothing to do with this unless it is damaged or installed incorrectly. Also, many K3 users have this same hardware setup along with rev. 5.33 firmware. So I suspect a firmware configuration issue. Make sure you're not in TX TEST mode; have crystal filters configured correctly; have the SUB IN board installed correctly (if applicable); TUN PWR set to NOR; TX ALC ON; 2-TONE OFF; TX INH OFF. Also try removing the sub RX (if applicable) and reinstalling the bypass jumper for the sub-IN module. Get it down to the simplest configuration possible.

Please send all of the info to k3support and they'll contact you on Monday.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606356&i=0>> wrote:

> Mike (and all who have sent replies on and off reflector) - thank you.
> I should have been more precise in my note.  The firmware I'm using:
>
> MCU 05.33
> FPF 01.23
> DSP 02.86
>
> Utility 1.15.6.29
>
> Since the original posting I have reloaded the utility and all firmware.  No change - still no RF out and calibration fails with 0Watts message. Synths check out OK and KXV3B is enabled.
> MCU 05.33 was released Friday so is a potential source of the issue.  I could not find a way to roll back to an earlier MCU release to check that out.
> 73, David G3WGN
>
>
> From: Mike Harris-9 [via Elecraft] [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606356&i=1>]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 17:24
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606356&i=2>>
> Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>
> Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.
>
> It is version 1.15.6.29
>
> I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the KXV3B
> which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there have been
> some timing changes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
> On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>
>>
>> David,
>>     I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) with
>> second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
>> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
>> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
>> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>>
>>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=0>] On Behalf Of Dave
>> G3WGN M6O
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
>> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>>
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain fade
>> on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.  I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>>
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun Aug 16 14:55:02 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:55:02 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3]  Gold pin modification
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Dear OMs and Yls
     Can someone tell me for what serial number the change to Gold plated
pins was made for the K3.    I note that David found it necessary to do this
for SN 4474.   I have two K3s one 2574 and the later 5487.    I thought they
were both using gold plated pins.    I could take the older one apart to
check but it would be nice to know the cutoff SN for gold plated connectors.

      I did check the Elecraft site and am unable to find the answer let
alone the upgrade kit though I can find plenty of other updates.

      Thank you to whoever answers this query.

                  73 Doug EI2CN

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>> G3WGN M6O
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
>> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain
fade
>> on
>> my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of four
heading
>> to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the
panels
>> were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector replacement mod.
I
>> have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update to
>> latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed
with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From chip at strattonfamily.us  Sun Aug 16 15:17:26 2015
From: chip at strattonfamily.us (Chip Stratton)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternative battery for K2?
Message-ID: <CAPF-ba0KSy2y6DxTdr-jR-jmMV_dpxH8PhRWzzzcy4PacYWL-A@mail.gmail.com>

I had a 4 cell LiFePO4 battery inside my K2 for quite a while. It was about
the same size as the original SLA.

I found that I was able to charge it with the built-in SLA charging circuit
as a matter of routine and the cells remained in balance, as verified by an
occasional balance charge with a CellPro Multi4.

The reason this worked well was because the cells in the pack were all of
good quality, the discharge rate was not excessive, the built-in K2 charger
charged at low current, and I was careful not to leave the charging circuit
on for prolonged periods. LiFePO4 will  tolerate limited low current
"overcharging" fairly well and without the danger associated with doing the
same with regular Li-Poly chemistry, and in my experience without damaging
the cells. Of course, ultimate cell life may be only 500 cycles instead of
the 2000 you might expect with good LiFePO4 cells and use of a quality
balance charger, but I never found any degradation.

I agree with others that have replied, however, that just using an external
LiFePO4 pack entails little disadvantage, and that is what I do now myself.

Chip

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 16:21:36 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results - August 16, 2015
Message-ID: <013c01d0d861$26c079c0$74416d40$@gmail.com>

I made it back into town in time to call the net. Band conditions were, as
they have been the last few weeks, deplorable. We managed 19 total
check-ins, myself included. They were:

 

W4RKS                  Jim         TX           K3           3618

NC0JW                  Jim         CO          KX3        1536

WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877

NA5C                     Steve    TX           K3S         10121

K1NW                   Brian      RI            K3           4974

KC0XT                   David     CA          K3S         10125

N6JW/P                John      CA          KX3        515

KF5YBE                 Lee         TX           KX3        1484

W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016

K6VWE                 Stan       MI          K3           650

NS7P                     Phil         OR          K3           1826

W7HD                   Juan       AZ           KX3        6696

W8FLT                   Mike      MI          K3           3xxx (newly
acquired K3, didn't know full s/n - Congrats on the "new" K3!)

WB9JNZ               Eric         IL             K3           4017

KF5WCU              Dan        TX           Icom IC-7100 (looking to upgrade
to used K3 or new K3S)

W0CZ                    Ken        ND          K3           457

K6ADG                  Alan       CA          K3           4757

KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281

 

See everyone next Sunday at 1800 UTC on 14.3035!

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com <mailto:km4ik.ian at gmail.com> 

10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038

PODXS 070 #1962
K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Aug 16 16:47:33 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:47:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
Message-ID: <EDBBC449-13A4-410A-B003-06E2D272D122@wunderwood.org>

Finally got around to writing up my simple hack for cleaner mic bias with the KX3 and Yamaha CM500. Along the way, I spotted something that will make all us cheap hams happy. It looks like the Koss SB40 ($25) is the same headset as the Yamaha CM500 ($55).

But we really care about the better audio quality, right?

Also, this makes it easy to have a separate PTT hand switch or foot switch.

http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Aug 16 18:18:52 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <EDBBC449-13A4-410A-B003-06E2D272D122@wunderwood.org>
References: <EDBBC449-13A4-410A-B003-06E2D272D122@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <A33F9067-3951-4E4F-B083-0CF9C6480536@wunderwood.org>

I got a quick response from David Anderson, GM4JJJ, that the Koss SB40 has a dynamic mic. Looking at the specs at B&H Photo, I agree.

I?ve updated the blog post.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 16, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:

> Finally got around to writing up my simple hack for cleaner mic bias with the KX3 and Yamaha CM500. Along the way, I spotted something that will make all us cheap hams happy. It looks like the Koss SB40 ($25) is the same headset as the Yamaha CM500 ($55).
> 
> But we really care about the better audio quality, right?
> 
> Also, this makes it easy to have a separate PTT hand switch or foot switch.
> 
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
> 
> wunder
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 20:12:48 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 19:12:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>

?There's still another Koss headset - Model KS-45 that's
plug-in compatible with the Yamaha CM500. It has an
electret mic. Also about $25 on Amazon.

Look also at Amazon's listing for a RoverBeats Bravo.
Electrically and functionally (and sound) it's interchangeable
with the CM500 and - for us REALLY CHEAP hams, it's
only about $10.  Well worth a try.

All three of these are look-alikes and have electret mics and
the same wiring and 3.5mm plugs. They sound almost the
same plugged into the rear jacks on my K3 (with bias turned on.)

Jim - W4RKS

?

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 16 20:34:35 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 17:34:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,8/16/2015 5:12 PM, James Wilson wrote:
> All three of these are look-alikes and have electret mics and
> the same wiring and 3.5mm plugs. They sound almost the
> same plugged into the rear jacks on my K3 (with bias turned on.)

No surprise. BUT -- how comfortable are they?  Have you worn them for a 
weekend contest full time? My Sony MDR7506 and the CM500 pass that test 
with flying colors. Have you gotten any reports from CRITICAL listeners 
about how the mic sounds?

Several years ago, I browsed a big Fry's store for boom mic headsets, 
with the objective of Skype for the XYL, and bought a couple rather 
different cheapies. The mics sounded barely OK, the phones were about 
the same, and were VERY uncomfortable.

And this caution: The Koss mic is described as "noise cancelling." True 
"noise cancelling" mics must be talked very close to work, and they 
don't sound very good.  If the mic is simply a cardioid, it has a 
different problem -- an overemphasized low end when worked close, which 
wastes TX power, emphasizes breathe pops and handling noise.  People who 
sell this stuff and write the ad copy almost never know the difference, 
and often use the wrong words to describe what's going on.  For example, 
Yamaha's own description of the CM500 called it a dynamic mic, while it 
definitely an electret.

I suspect that the mic in the Koss is an electret, simply because 
electrets are cheaper than dynamics, and these are cheap products we're 
talking about. :)  The challenge, of course, is to separate the "good" 
cheap from the "bad" and "not very good" cheap.

I've not seen the Koss products, so have no opinion as to their quality.

73, Jim K9YC

From w2bvh at comcast.net  Sun Aug 16 22:00:01 2015
From: w2bvh at comcast.net (w2bvh)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:00:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] AntLion ModMic with K2
Message-ID: <55D14021.1050405@comcast.net>

Has anyone used the AntLion ModMic with a K2?

I'm currently using a Logitech  headset with boom mic and it works fine, 
except I had to make a hb inline mic preamp to get enough drive.

The AntLion ModMic looks very nice (a clever design) but I hate to drop 
~$50 if it is also going to need a preamp.

If you have experience with this mic, I'd like to hear what you found.

73,
Lenny W2BVH
K@ sn 1520

From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Aug 16 22:17:23 2015
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:17:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9683B3EA-F450-4356-8EB1-EF8627935034@comcast.net>

Jim:
Don't electrets have to be powered (voltage applied) where dynamics do not?

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 16, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> For example, Yamaha's own description of the CM500 called it a dynamic mic, while it definitely an electret.
> 
> I suspect that the mic in the Koss is an electret, simply because electrets are cheaper than dynamics, and these are cheap products we're talking about. :)  The challenge, of course, is to separate the "good" cheap from the "bad" and "not very good" cheap.
> 
> I've not seen the Koss products, so have no opinion as to their quality.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 23:00:55 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCY4icsU5SDO-vvtX68gm2=SDbkB92e+UfftrwcjLHm8AA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, it's true audio quality is very subjective.
For good communications quality, I personally
judge the three headsets I mentioned to be about
equal. Over the ear comfort also compares with my
over the ear headphones - a sauna for the ears. :-)

Brian, Yes, the electret mics do require a small amount of power - Elecraft
and others call it BIAS voltage. Fortunately - with the K3 and K3S and very
likely the KX3 also - that needed bias is available and can be turned on or
off with a menu selection.

From ajames at excite.com  Sun Aug 16 23:32:16 2015
From: ajames at excite.com (Alan James)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 23:32:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 27
Message-ID: <20150816233216.9615@web006.roc2.bluetie.com>

I am interested. 
 
Alan - KZ6B at ARRL.net 



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug 17 00:20:49 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 21:20:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <9683B3EA-F450-4356-8EB1-EF8627935034@comcast.net>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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On Sun,8/16/2015 7:17 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Don't electrets have to be powered (voltage applied) where dynamics do not?

Right.

On Sun,8/16/2015 8:00 PM, James Wilson wrote:
> Yes, the electret mics do require a small amount of power - Elecraft
> and others call it BIAS voltage.

It's called bias because it IS bias -- electret capsules have a very 
high output Z, so they use a FET follower as an output stage. The 
voltage provides bias for that output stage.

> Fortunately - with the K3 and K3S and very likely the KX3 also - that needed bias is available and can be turned on or off with a menu selection.

Virtually all modern rigs (within the last 30+ years) provide V+, 
usually about 8 V, on one pin of the mic connector. All it takes to use 
that for bias is a resistor in the range of 5K ohms from V+ to the mic 
input.

73, Jim K9YC

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Aug 17 00:47:58 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 21:47:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <55D16121.5000803@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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	<55D16121.5000803@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9D3DB266-21FA-432E-83EB-3D97A121F90A@wunderwood.org>

My blog post was mostly about providing clean mic bias with the KX3 for electrets that get bias from both tip and ring, like the Yamaha CM500.

Give it a quick read, it might answer some questions.

http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 16, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Sun,8/16/2015 7:17 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Don't electrets have to be powered (voltage applied) where dynamics do not?
> 
> Right.
> 
> On Sun,8/16/2015 8:00 PM, James Wilson wrote:
>> Yes, the electret mics do require a small amount of power - Elecraft
>> and others call it BIAS voltage.
> 
> It's called bias because it IS bias -- electret capsules have a very high output Z, so they use a FET follower as an output stage. The voltage provides bias for that output stage.
> 
>> Fortunately - with the K3 and K3S and very likely the KX3 also - that needed bias is available and can be turned on or off with a menu selection.
> 
> Virtually all modern rigs (within the last 30+ years) provide V+, usually about 8 V, on one pin of the mic connector. All it takes to use that for bias is a resistor in the range of 5K ohms from V+ to the mic input.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From dl2ydp at mail.ru  Mon Aug 17 01:01:33 2015
From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:01:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3]  Gold pin modification
In-Reply-To: <072E2E2861114213BB2401EEFA225117@DOUG1>
References: <1439721517872-7606337.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<55D0B8AA.7010703@horizon.co.fk>
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	<072E2E2861114213BB2401EEFA225117@DOUG1>
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Hi Doug,

i have done the Gold pin modification K3 #2652 ( PA and Front Panel).  

73,  Roger




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From iwesterl at bigpond.net.au  Mon Aug 17 01:24:12 2015
From: iwesterl at bigpond.net.au (Ian Westerland)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:24:12 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] in depth manual for K3
Message-ID: <20150817052418.VRS26134.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw07p>

Hello.  Someone on the list mentioned a resource text book on the K3 
several weeks ago.  I lost the information so would appreciate the 
information again please.


73



Ian,   VK3vin





From iwesterl at bigpond.net.au  Mon Aug 17 03:55:52 2015
From: iwesterl at bigpond.net.au (Ian Westerland)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:55:52 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Manual
Message-ID: <20150817075603.NKAM17640.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw05p>

Thanks everyone.  I just ordered the Manual from the ke7x.com site.

Cheers.


Ian VK3vin


    


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 04:40:27 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 04:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=vhDt0SCxstQxtvN6rSamEMwOUHiY3RaeJX3cs8YYAsmw@mail.gmail.com>

I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:

KFLA-250
KFLA-400
KFLA-1.0K

$105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks and 73,

Joe  N9VX

From doug49707 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 09:18:14 2015
From: doug49707 at gmail.com (Doug Dietz)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XV 144
Message-ID: <21E23880-EEE2-46CE-B6D5-502D82A249B6@gmail.com>

For sale xv 144 with oven 300.00. Doug doug49707 at gmail.com

More original than sent from iPad

From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug 17 10:30:25 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. K3 for sale
Message-ID: <27552978-EFEF-4674-854B-DE15EA0DD7E7@bellsouth.net>

The K3 I advertised for sale yesterday has been sold.

			73, Joe W2KJ

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Aug 17 11:47:56 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:47:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft kits assembly using ESD protected bench
Message-ID: <1439826476237-7606375.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

after some discussion on Yahoo group list I was asked by some hams for more
details about the ESD mats and ESD tools for safe Elecraft kits assembling.

I do not understand all of the huge discussion on some forums and threats
about something which cost $25-$30 (compare to invoice for K3S kit...) and
which solving the ESD task forever...;) so I hope it helps:
 
1. The top layer must be dissipative 
2. The bottom layer must be conductive
3. Its nice when its oil, grease and solvent resistant, high temp resistant,
acid 
proof and knife cut proof material.
4. Mat must be connected to ground thru 1.5M resistor, NOT ditectly in order
to thru body current limitation if an accident!
5. Wristband is connected to mat in normal cases also thru 1.5M resistor. 

Just few basic hints for all who would not like to just faith to be "lucky
user" when working with boards like K3S kit etc. 

More info you can find here in my article:
 www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,84533.msg616867.html#msg616867

There is complete set with high resistant profi grade mat 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/10661
 
We still have them in radioclub?s stock available as we bought from supplier
big package in order to get good price. So don ?t hesitate to drop me an
email if you want them. 
 
73 - Petr, OK1RP
STMicroelectronics 
Laboratory test equipment,
Design and application, Prague, CR
www.st.com






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From david at aslinvc.com  Mon Aug 17 12:02:49 2015
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:02:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
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The TX Calibration issue I had with my K3 is now resolved.  I followed Wayne's suggestions and the final one revealed that without the KRX3A the 50W Calibration ran fine. On replacing the subRX module and retesting all is OK.  Though I had carefully checked all TMP connectors and the seating of SUBIN and SUBOUT boards before removing the subRX  and found no issues, perhaps re-seating on replacing the subRX did the trick.
Caveat:  I did recheck (for the 3rd time!)  the solder joints on the newly replaced P30 and P35 with a good magnifier.  I could find no obvious dry joints or solder bridges, but did touch-up a couple of the pins on P35 while the rig was on the ESD bench for the subRX removal.

This experience was an object lesson in not panicking when things don't operate as planned and carefully going back over every step taken in the upgrade process.

Sorry to have interrupted your Sunday Wayne.  Big thank you to Elecraft and the support team.  You continue to earn the respect and admiration of a big slice of the ham radio community.

Have a great week!
73, David
G3WGN  M6O  WJ6O

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] 
Sent: 16 August 2015 19:37
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade

David,

The KXV3B itself should have nothing to do with this unless it is damaged or installed incorrectly. Also, many K3 users have this same hardware setup along with rev. 5.33 firmware. So I suspect a firmware configuration issue. Make sure you're not in TX TEST mode; have crystal filters configured correctly; have the SUB IN board installed correctly (if applicable); TUN PWR set to NOR; TX ALC ON; 2-TONE OFF; TX INH OFF. Also try removing the sub RX (if applicable) and reinstalling the bypass jumper for the sub-IN module. Get it down to the simplest configuration possible.

Please send all of the info to k3support and they'll contact you on Monday.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:16 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <david at aslinvc.com> wrote:

> Mike (and all who have sent replies on and off reflector) - thank you.
> I should have been more precise in my note.  The firmware I'm using:
> 
> MCU 05.33
> FPF 01.23
> DSP 02.86
> 
> Utility 1.15.6.29
> 
> Since the original posting I have reloaded the utility and all firmware.  No change - still no RF out and calibration fails with 0Watts message. Synths check out OK and KXV3B is enabled.
> MCU 05.33 was released Friday so is a potential source of the issue.  I could not find a way to roll back to an earlier MCU release to check that out.
> 73, David G3WGN
> 
> 
> From: Mike Harris-9 [via Elecraft] 
> [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7606351h52 at n2.nabble.com]
> Sent: 16 August 2015 17:24
> To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
> Subject: Re: K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A upgrade
> 
> Make sure you have the latest version of the K3 Utility installed.
> 
> It is version 1.15.6.29
> 
> I had an RX gain cal issue when I installed the new synths and the 
> KXV3B which was resolved with the latest Utility. Apparently there 
> have been some timing changes.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 16/08/2015 12:25, Doug Turnbull wrote:
> 
>> 
>> David,
>>     I had a similar problem here with a friend's K3 (I have two K3(s) 
>> with second receivers installed and had no problem prior to doing this
>> synthesizer board swap.)    We solved the failure to TX calibrate by
>> reloading the K3 Utility - the same one which worked fine previously.
>> Reloading the utility is an easy thing to try.
>> 
>>                     73 Doug EI2CN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden 
>> email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=0>] On Behalf Of 
>> Dave G3WGN M6O
>> Sent: 16 August 2015 10:39
>> To: [hidden email]</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7606351&i=1>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX calibration fails after KXV3B and SYN3A 
>> upgrade
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a quick fix for this (some fat-fingering or brain 
>> fade on my part is entirely possible) as the K3 in question is one of 
>> four heading to E6GG next month.
>> Yesterday I upgraded S/N 4474 with KXV3B and 2 x SYN3As and while the 
>> panels were off, also did the 12V DC Out mod and gold connector 
>> replacement mod.  I have a full ESD bench and wore a wrist strap at all times.
>> After careful reassembly and TMP cable checks, I was able to update 
>> to latest firmware and enable synths and KXV3B.  But TX Calibration failed with
>> Calibration power settled at "   0W; " message.
>> I have tried the following remedies:
>> Panels off and examined all boards for correct seating.
>> Examined all TMP cables for correct seating.
>> Replaced panels.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Re-flashed the firmware load.  Load successful.
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> Performed EE INIT
>> Loaded a known-good prior configuration (from March 2015 well before 
>> the
>> upgrade)
>> Re-attempted Calibration - same error.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for next steps gratefully received!
>> 73
>> David G3WGN WJ6O
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From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 12:39:13 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:39:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:

KFL3A-250
KFL3A-400
KFL3A-1.0K

$105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks and 73,

Joe  N9VX

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 13:40:49 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:40:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>

With all of the fraud and theft that's common in our hobby these days. Does
anyone actually do cash/check/mo anymore? Just asking because I'm often
tempted by deals I see but based on my background (IT engineer specializing
in messaging/information security) I know the risks involved. 
Not meaning any offense or flame. Just asking a question.
jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Word
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 12:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:

KFL3A-250
KFL3A-400
KFL3A-1.0K

$105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or cash.
No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks and 73,

Joe  N9VX
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 17 13:56:32 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:56:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>

Jer,

I understand that this is not directly in response to your 
question/statement, but reflects the "other side of the fence"
I have been dealing with Elecraft hams since 2003.  When I do 
independent work, I normally ask that a check be send for payment.
I have done more than 700 independent repair/build/upgrade actions since 
then, and I have never had a problem with the hams I have done business 
with - and the amounts of the checks range from a low of $20 (to cover 
shipping) to over $1000 (for build of 2 fully loaded K2s).
I may change the way I operate if I am ever 'burned', but so far I have 
discovered that I am dealing with a bunch of very honest hams, and I 
continue to trust.

I suspect that you will find the same of hams offering Elecraft gear and 
'bits and pieces' here on the Elecraft reflector.  I don't know if I 
would extend that same trust to those advertizing on eHam or Ebay, but 
from my experience, most hams are quite honest.  Yes, I have seen 
reports of some horror stories, but among hams, I think you will find 
that rare.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/17/2015 1:40 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> With all of the fraud and theft that's common in our hobby these days. Does
> anyone actually do cash/check/mo anymore? Just asking because I'm often
> tempted by deals I see but based on my background (IT engineer specializing
> in messaging/information security) I know the risks involved.
> Not meaning any offense or flame. Just asking a question.
>


From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 17 13:56:30 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:56:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <000001d0d916$0c942e10$25bc8a30$@net>

My preference is PayPal. In cases of fraud or ..."not as described"... , 
They are very helpful in refunding your money.

Most fraudsters know PayPal will hound them, so they decline PayPal.
Worse yet are those that decline USPS Money Orders (Mail Fraud) and 
Demand payment via Western Union. 

Run, quickly, from those guys !!

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Moore
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 10:41 AM
To: 'Joe Word'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

With all of the fraud and theft that's common in our hobby these days. Does
anyone actually do cash/check/mo anymore? Just asking because I'm often
tempted by deals I see but based on my background (IT engineer specializing
in messaging/information security) I know the risks involved. 
Not meaning any offense or flame. Just asking a question.
jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Word
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 12:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:

KFL3A-250
KFL3A-400
KFL3A-1.0K

$105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or cash.
No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks and 73,

Joe  N9VX
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 14:10:19 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <02de01d0d917$fb08fd90$f11af8b0$@carolinaheli.com>

Fair enough sir, ty :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:57 PM
To: Jerry Moore; 'Joe Word'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

Jer,

I understand that this is not directly in response to your
question/statement, but reflects the "other side of the fence"
I have been dealing with Elecraft hams since 2003.  When I do independent
work, I normally ask that a check be send for payment.
I have done more than 700 independent repair/build/upgrade actions since
then, and I have never had a problem with the hams I have done business with
- and the amounts of the checks range from a low of $20 (to cover
shipping) to over $1000 (for build of 2 fully loaded K2s).
I may change the way I operate if I am ever 'burned', but so far I have
discovered that I am dealing with a bunch of very honest hams, and I
continue to trust.

I suspect that you will find the same of hams offering Elecraft gear and
'bits and pieces' here on the Elecraft reflector.  I don't know if I would
extend that same trust to those advertizing on eHam or Ebay, but from my
experience, most hams are quite honest.  Yes, I have seen reports of some
horror stories, but among hams, I think you will find that rare.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/17/2015 1:40 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> With all of the fraud and theft that's common in our hobby these days. 
> Does anyone actually do cash/check/mo anymore? Just asking because I'm 
> often tempted by deals I see but based on my background (IT engineer 
> specializing in messaging/information security) I know the risks involved.
> Not meaning any offense or flame. Just asking a question.
>



From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 14:12:06 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:12:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft kits assembly using ESD protected bench
In-Reply-To: <1439826476237-7606375.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1439826476237-7606375.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <02e001d0d918$3aeac010$b0c04030$@carolinaheli.com>

I'm not finding my ESD setup. Do you ship to the US?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ok1rp
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 11:48 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft kits assembly using ESD protected bench

Hi all,

after some discussion on Yahoo group list I was asked by some hams for more details about the ESD mats and ESD tools for safe Elecraft kits assembling.

I do not understand all of the huge discussion on some forums and threats about something which cost $25-$30 (compare to invoice for K3S kit...) and which solving the ESD task forever...;) so I hope it helps:
 
1. The top layer must be dissipative
2. The bottom layer must be conductive
3. Its nice when its oil, grease and solvent resistant, high temp resistant, acid proof and knife cut proof material.
4. Mat must be connected to ground thru 1.5M resistor, NOT ditectly in order to thru body current limitation if an accident!
5. Wristband is connected to mat in normal cases also thru 1.5M resistor. 

Just few basic hints for all who would not like to just faith to be "lucky user" when working with boards like K3S kit etc. 

More info you can find here in my article:
 www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,84533.msg616867.html#msg616867

There is complete set with high resistant profi grade mat
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/10661
 
We still have them in radioclub?s stock available as we bought from supplier big package in order to get good price. So don ?t hesitate to drop me an email if you want them. 
 
73 - Petr, OK1RP
STMicroelectronics
Laboratory test equipment,
Design and application, Prague, CR
www.st.com






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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug 17 14:48:42 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:48:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D22C8A.9000008@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,8/17/2015 10:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I don't know if I would extend that same trust to those advertizing on 
> eHam or Ebay, but from my experience, most hams are quite honest.

Yes. The key here is, I think, a matter of community -- it can be a 
small world, and in matters of honesty, the smaller the better. :)  I've 
been on several email reflectors for more than a decade, and many others 
have been on those reflectors for as long or longer.

73, Jim K9YC

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 15:03:41 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:03:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Hams and payment - Rose's experiences
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>

I pretty much agree with Don on the honesty of Hams.

I always prefer PayPal as a method of payment, either
direction and my rating is 100% for almost 300 transactions.

That being said ... most of you know that "Rose" (N7HKW)
of Elecraft Cases and Covers is my Lady.  She's sewn
several thousand cases and dust covers since 2008.
Only five customers have taken advantage of her, and
all are regulars here on the Elecraft reflector.

Two are in the UK and refused delivery of completed
cases, which were returned (cost free) via the British
Postal system. Took months!  Apparently neither was
aware of the import duty and refused their orders.

One was a case for a lawyer in Atlanta who claims to
have paid, but can't / won't show any evidence of doing
so.

One is a well-known California DX'er and the other is
an almost daily poster here on the reflector.  He ordered
a KX3 case and refuses to pay for it.  She uses both as
displays on her convention display table. (;-)

Because of the above, she requests payment when she's
ready to sew an order, and the order isn't shipped until
payment has been received.  The customer always gets
a preview photo of the order, BTW.

73!

Ken - K0PP

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 15:03:53 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:03:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <55D22C8A.9000008@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>	<55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
	<55D22C8A.9000008@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <030301d0d91f$76e07720$64a16560$@carolinaheli.com>

Sorry about that, I get a bit over excited. 

It's odd that I've been in IT since the late 1980s, grew up with the
internet (used to be dialup to the college then use *nix search tools to
find content) and this is the first time with Reflectors. I'm on at least 3
now..
I'll cut the chattering :) just excited about my pending purchase and always
on the alert for a deal I have the cash for to stuff my station. Right now
I'm at the point of a bare 100w station with p/s. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:49 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

On Mon,8/17/2015 10:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I don't know if I would extend that same trust to those advertizing on 
> eHam or Ebay, but from my experience, most hams are quite honest.

Yes. The key here is, I think, a matter of community -- it can be a small
world, and in matters of honesty, the smaller the better. :)  I've been on
several email reflectors for more than a decade, and many others have been
on those reflectors for as long or longer.

73, Jim K9YC
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 15:04:30 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:04:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <55D22C8A.9000008@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>	<02d901d0d913$dbd46440$937d2cc0$@carolinaheli.com>	<55D22050.3040705@embarqmail.com>
	<55D22C8A.9000008@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <030501d0d91f$8d3d4200$a7b7c600$@carolinaheli.com>

Sorry about that, I get a bit over excited. 

It's odd that I've been in IT since the late 1980s, grew up with the
internet (used to be dialup to the college then use *nix search tools to
find content) and this is the first time with Reflectors. I'm on at least 3
now..
I'll cut the chattering :) just excited about my pending purchase and always
on the alert for a deal I have the cash for to stuff my station. Right now
I'm at the point of a bare 100w station with p/s. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:49 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

On Mon,8/17/2015 10:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I don't know if I would extend that same trust to those advertizing on 
> eHam or Ebay, but from my experience, most hams are quite honest.

Yes. The key here is, I think, a matter of community -- it can be a small
world, and in matters of honesty, the smaller the better. :)  I've been on
several email reflectors for more than a decade, and many others have been
on those reflectors for as long or longer.

73, Jim K9YC
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 15:08:26 2015
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:08:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Hams and payment - Rose's experiences
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmOm2EeEvSwv36ej3xRfX+J=HMCcUB8cpowH_-NcqsKV5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> ....She uses both as displays on her convention display table....

===========
ROFLMAO!

Tony KT0NY

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Mon Aug 17 15:12:53 2015
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:12:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] OT: Hams and payment - Rose's experiences
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D23235.8040605@mebtel.net>

To prospective Rose's Cases purchasers:

I have purchased several of Rose's products and let me tell you: they 
are tough as nails!  My KX3 bag has traveled thousands of miles and 
hikes and is no worse for the wear.  She communicates quickly if there 
are any questions, and her products are custom, beautiful, and extremely 
well crafted.  Her cases are a very good value in this day of disposable 
cheap imports.

I am a very happy Rose's Cases customer.

Howie - WA4PSC



On 8/17/2015 3:03 PM, Ken G Kopp kengkopp at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>
> I pretty much agree with Don on the honesty of Hams.
>
> I always prefer PayPal as a method of payment, either
> direction and my rating is 100% for almost 300 transactions.
>
> That being said ... most of you know that "Rose" (N7HKW)
> of Elecraft Cases and Covers is my Lady.  She's sewn
> several thousand cases and dust covers since 2008.
> Only five customers have taken advantage of her, and
> all are regulars here on the Elecraft reflector.
>
> Two are in the UK and refused delivery of completed
> cases, which were returned (cost free) via the British
> Postal system. Took months!  Apparently neither was
> aware of the import duty and refused their orders.
>
> One was a case for a lawyer in Atlanta who claims to
> have paid, but can't / won't show any evidence of doing
> so.
>
> One is a well-known California DX'er and the other is
> an almost daily poster here on the reflector.  He ordered
> a KX3 case and refuses to pay for it.  She uses both as
> displays on her convention display table. (;-)
>
> Because of the above, she requests payment when she's
> ready to sew an order, and the order isn't shipped until
> payment has been received.  The customer always gets
> a preview photo of the order, BTW.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
>
>
>
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From doug49707 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 15:17:07 2015
From: doug49707 at gmail.com (Doug)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XV 144
Message-ID: <19A59CE4-332A-4B74-9747-F806E9338EE8@gmail.com>

This is a kit in kit form   Asking 300 with shipping.  Doug

Sent from my iPhone

From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 15:25:34 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
Message-ID: <030f01d0d922$7e4b8ba0$7ae2a2e0$@carolinaheli.com>

Just wondering if this was ever implemented? I'm not worries as this won't
be my primary mode or even a close second. I was just thinking about sat
work and maybe with the sub receiver, a few xverters, and separate
antenna/feedline it might be possible. Based on searches I see past
discussion but nothing definitive. 

 

It would likely be cheaper to buy a rig designed for sat work. Just thinking
with the powerful DSP..etc.. I'll have to get more familiar with the K3/S
insides and operations J

 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB , Future K3S owner, 19 days and a wakeup.


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 15:53:25 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:53:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
In-Reply-To: <030f01d0d922$7e4b8ba0$7ae2a2e0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <030f01d0d922$7e4b8ba0$7ae2a2e0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <033f01d0d926$62801450$27803cf0$@carolinaheli.com>

Nevermind, it looks like the limitation is the DSP being used on both TX and
RX.. correct me if I'm mistaken, not a bit deal. Dx is really my interest.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 3:26 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?

Just wondering if this was ever implemented? I'm not worries as this won't
be my primary mode or even a close second. I was just thinking about sat
work and maybe with the sub receiver, a few xverters, and separate
antenna/feedline it might be possible. Based on searches I see past
discussion but nothing definitive. 

 

It would likely be cheaper to buy a rig designed for sat work. Just thinking
with the powerful DSP..etc.. I'll have to get more familiar with the K3/S
insides and operations J

 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB , Future K3S owner, 19 days and a wakeup.

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Aug 17 16:01:58 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pre 2 not avail on 10 meters?
Message-ID: <B5EA2DBD-37F5-4CB3-A4D2-61C70DE90911@widomaker.com>

It works as it should on 12 and 6 meters but on 10 meters pressing PRE shows Pre1 then OFF then Pre1 them OFF. Anyone else have this happen?

FW is 5.33  - d1 is 2.86 - d2 is 2.86 - Fl is1.23 and dr is 1.03. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net  Mon Aug 17 16:15:04 2015
From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net (DGB)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] {Elecraft] FS: KXV3A Interface Option
In-Reply-To: <55CDB96C.7050600@Bayland.net>
References: <F535DFFB-05B7-4120-80E4-7068991AAF74@aol.com>
	<55CCEB35.8080509@Bayland.net> <55CDB96C.7050600@Bayland.net>
Message-ID: <55D240C8.2060102@Bayland.net>

KXV3A Interface Option $55 shipped U.S.P.S. Priority

Paypal or money order CONUS

73 Dwight NS9I



From Mike at ve3yf.com  Mon Aug 17 18:44:31 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:44:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KPA500
Message-ID: <mailman.206.1439851487.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi:

I would like to purchase a KPA500. I thought I would check out the 
used market before purchasing a new one. If you have one that you are 
willing to sell, please
state condition and your price. Tnx.

Mike at ve3yf dot com



73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From mteberle at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 17 18:55:15 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:55:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Pre 2 not avail on 10 meters?
In-Reply-To: <B5EA2DBD-37F5-4CB3-A4D2-61C70DE90911@widomaker.com>
References: <B5EA2DBD-37F5-4CB3-A4D2-61C70DE90911@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <55D26653.4070600@mchsi.com>


Make sure you have PREAMP2 in the Config menu set to 'ON' on 10 meters.  
It is set on a per band basis.

Mike - KI0HA


On 8/17/2015 3:01 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> It works as it should on 12 and 6 meters but on 10 meters pressing PRE shows Pre1 then OFF then Pre1 them OFF. Anyone else have this happen?
>
> FW is 5.33  - d1 is 2.86 - d2 is 2.86 - Fl is1.23 and dr is 1.03.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>

From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 19:10:30 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:10:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=sD2ub=0+eXJXf2jsGPcD1skS40Tjub6ZNEtTeG5C8kRg@mail.gmail.com>

The KFL3A-400 is still available. The 250 and 1.0K are sold.

Joe  N9VX

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:
>
> KFL3A-250
> KFL3A-400
> KFL3A-1.0K
>
> $105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Joe  N9VX
>

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Aug 17 19:33:34 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:33:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] .] OT: Hams and payment - Rose's experiences
In-Reply-To: <55D23235.8040605@mebtel.net>
References: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D23235.8040605@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <55D26F4E.9040104@foothill.net>

The K2 case Rose custom made for me [with space for batteries, paddle, 
log, audio amp, and headphones for field operation] is perfect, just 
what I wanted, and as Howie says, "tough as nails." Mine's been to a 
number of summits, it fits very cleanly into my pack with room for the 
AlexLoop, and shows no wear at all.  Very well padded, K2 shows no wear 
either.   Nicely embroidered too.  I'm also a very happy customer.

Fred K6DGW
--Northern California Contest Club
--CU in the Cal QSO Party
--3-4 Oct 2015

On 8/17/2015 12:12 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> To prospective Rose's Cases purchasers:
>
> I have purchased several of Rose's products and let me tell you: they 
> are tough as nails!  My KX3 bag has traveled thousands of miles and 
> hikes and is no worse for the wear.  She communicates quickly if there 
> are any questions, and her products are custom, beautiful, and 
> extremely well crafted.  Her cases are a very good value in this day 
> of disposable cheap imports.
>
> I am a very happy Rose's Cases customer.
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
.

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 17 19:40:33 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <9D3DB266-21FA-432E-83EB-3D97A121F90A@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<9683B3EA-F450-4356-8EB1-EF8627935034@comcast.net>
	<55D16121.5000803@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<9D3DB266-21FA-432E-83EB-3D97A121F90A@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <55D270F1.9000008@embarqmail.com>

wunder,

After building an adapter using a TRRS plug for myself, I had a 
"head-slapping" reaction to your solution.  It should work wonders for 
not only the CM500, but also for most any other microphone designed to 
be used on a computer - most, if not all, have the tip and ring 
connected together.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/17/2015 12:47 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> My blog post was mostly about providing clean mic bias with the KX3 for electrets that get bias from both tip and ring, like the Yamaha CM500.
>
> Give it a quick read, it might answer some questions.
>
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
>
>


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Aug 17 19:52:24 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:52:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <55D270F1.9000008@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAJNRSCYUFuBeCTDK=WrLj9shPjABfuP0D97+bR=PFsBpUAmA1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D12C1B.8010609@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<9683B3EA-F450-4356-8EB1-EF8627935034@comcast.net>
	<55D16121.5000803@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<9D3DB266-21FA-432E-83EB-3D97A121F90A@wunderwood.org>
	<55D270F1.9000008@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA97AB59-7B45-43D6-B4F2-4E9FC56E0246@wunderwood.org>

I kept planning to build an adaptor to fix it, but didn?t get around to it. Then I drew it out to make sure I know what was going on and it hit me. Very much a case of ?laziness is the mother of non-reinvention?.

The PTT jack was an unexpected bonus.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> wunder,
> 
> After building an adapter using a TRRS plug for myself, I had a "head-slapping" reaction to your solution.  It should work wonders for not only the CM500, but also for most any other microphone designed to be used on a computer - most, if not all, have the tip and ring connected together.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/17/2015 12:47 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> My blog post was mostly about providing clean mic bias with the KX3 for electrets that get bias from both tip and ring, like the Yamaha CM500.
>> 
>> Give it a quick read, it might answer some questions.
>> 
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
>> 
>> 
> 


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 20:00:57 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:00:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=sD2ub=0+eXJXf2jsGPcD1skS40Tjub6ZNEtTeG5C8kRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEk6-=sD2ub=0+eXJXf2jsGPcD1skS40Tjub6ZNEtTeG5C8kRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4F9AF10-B912-43C8-BECF-40560818A2C2@carolinaheli.com>

Sent you an email sir.

On August 17, 2015 7:10:30 PM EDT, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>The KFL3A-400 is still available. The 250 and 1.0K are sold.
>
>Joe  N9VX
>
>On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:
>>
>> KFL3A-250
>> KFL3A-400
>> KFL3A-1.0K
>>
>> $105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check
>or
>> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>>
>> Joe  N9VX
>>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 20:08:57 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] .] OT: Hams and payment - Rose's experiences
In-Reply-To: <55D26F4E.9040104@foothill.net>
References: <CAD4CdTMkrCg1K_bTwDg4i-xYZwK3MoG6L32rYu5kOFPHr06F_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D23235.8040605@mebtel.net> <55D26F4E.9040104@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <B2576FDE-DE37-40C2-9D7D-FBCD1E06FCEB@carolinaheli.com>

Now I know what to ask the XYL for Christmas ;)

On August 17, 2015 7:33:34 PM EDT, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>The K2 case Rose custom made for me [with space for batteries, paddle, 
>log, audio amp, and headphones for field operation] is perfect, just 
>what I wanted, and as Howie says, "tough as nails." Mine's been to a 
>number of summits, it fits very cleanly into my pack with room for the 
>AlexLoop, and shows no wear at all.  Very well padded, K2 shows no wear
>
>either.   Nicely embroidered too.  I'm also a very happy customer.
>
>Fred K6DGW
>--Northern California Contest Club
>--CU in the Cal QSO Party
>--3-4 Oct 2015
>
>On 8/17/2015 12:12 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>> To prospective Rose's Cases purchasers:
>>
>> I have purchased several of Rose's products and let me tell you: they
>
>> are tough as nails!  My KX3 bag has traveled thousands of miles and 
>> hikes and is no worse for the wear.  She communicates quickly if
>there 
>> are any questions, and her products are custom, beautiful, and 
>> extremely well crafted.  Her cases are a very good value in this day 
>> of disposable cheap imports.
>>
>> I am a very happy Rose's Cases customer.
>>
>> Howie - WA4PSC
>.
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 17 20:55:50 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:55:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEk6-=sD2ub=0+eXJXf2jsGPcD1skS40Tjub6ZNEtTeG5C8kRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk6-=s94ozqWhzA5APqVENWWtS-RW6Xkw+7ZQgTr3-9OKqUOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEk6-=sD2ub=0+eXJXf2jsGPcD1skS40Tjub6ZNEtTeG5C8kRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03ba01d0d950$a166e2f0$e434a8d0$@carolinaheli.com>

I sent you an email sir.. I need to find out why my emails aren't showing
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Word
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 7:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale

The KFL3A-400 is still available. The 250 and 1.0K are sold.

Joe  N9VX

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:
>
> KFL3A-250
> KFL3A-400
> KFL3A-1.0K
>
> $105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or 
> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> Joe  N9VX
>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Aug 17 21:08:42 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:08:42 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  Full duplex for Sat work?
Message-ID: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>


>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
>To: Elecraft Reflector
>From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
>
>Jerry,
>
>Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with 
>main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is 
>in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
>
>There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
>
>Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to 
>transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency 
>control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes.  This will take 
>sw via ports in each radio.
>This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished 
>thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true 
>way of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
>
>I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him, as yet.
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
>http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
>Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From brian at brianlinn.com  Mon Aug 17 21:34:41 2015
From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian Linn)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:34:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 / W2 Serial Connection
Message-ID: <000001d0d956$1011ef10$3035cd30$@com>

Don & Elecraft:

 

I'm having difficulty connecting to either my KAT500 or W2 via a serial
cable. Is the KSXER (3.5mm to DB9-F) any different from the standard 3.5mm
to DB9-F that I already own?

 

Brian KD0HII


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 21:49:15 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:49:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 CW Filters For Sale
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All of the filters are sold.

Thanks,

Joe  N9VX

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:

> The KFL3A-400 is still available. The 250 and 1.0K are sold.
>
> Joe  N9VX
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Joe Word <n9vx.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have three 8 pole K3 CW filters for sale:
>>
>> KFL3A-250
>> KFL3A-400
>> KFL3A-1.0K
>>
>> $105 each shipped in CONUS, payment by money order, Cashier's check or
>> cash. No Paypal. Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>>
>> Joe  N9VX
>>
>
>

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 17 23:51:58 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 / W2 Serial Connection
In-Reply-To: <000001d0d956$1011ef10$3035cd30$@com>
References: <000001d0d956$1011ef10$3035cd30$@com>
Message-ID: <55D2ABDE.3030009@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

I don't know which DE-9 to 3.5mm cable that you currently have, but it 
is easy to check with an ohmmeter.
Does DE9 pin 5 connect to the shell of the 3.5mm?  That is Signal Ground.
Next check DE-9 pin 2 - that should connect to the tip of the 3.5mm plug.
Then DE-9 pin 3 should connect to the ring of the 3.5mm plug.

If all the cables you are asking about come from Elecraft gear, the 
answer is that they are interchangeable.

OK, there is some confusion in the designation of RXD and TXD - if the 
tip and ring connections are swapped in my connections above, that is 
the result of that confusion - in other words, if pins 2 and 3 are 
swapped from my description, it is my error, and the cable will work.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/17/2015 9:34 PM, Brian Linn wrote:
> Don & Elecraft:
>
>   
>
> I'm having difficulty connecting to either my KAT500 or W2 via a serial
> cable. Is the KSXER (3.5mm to DB9-F) any different from the standard 3.5mm
> to DB9-F that I already own?
>
>   
>
> Brian KD0HII
>
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From lromero at ij.net  Tue Aug 18 02:20:14 2015
From: lromero at ij.net (Luis V. Romero)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 02:20:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
Message-ID: <27B820F1069548AC8EF2685FD152A414@bethe>

I have several CM500'ds and also a Koss SB40.  The Koss SB40 headset is 
IDENTICAL to the CM500 in design and construction, except in one area:  The 
Mic capsule. The Koss mic capsule is dynamic, not condenser.  It is also 
HORRIBLE!  I believe it is a cheap earphone soldered up for mic duty.  It 
sounds like absolute mud and no amount of eq in the K3 or with my outboard 
equipment made it sound acceptably.

Its so bad, I actually removed it.  The top cover to the Koss mic capsule 
holder is a clamp-on to the flexible goose neck, so its removable... up to a 
point.  The bottom of it is glued on, but I was able to pry it off in one 
piece with patience.  The wires are "potted" into the goose neck in some 
sort of plastic-like gray goo.  This left very little exposed wire after I 
removed the plastic holder and then unsoldered the capsule from the wires.

I replaced the whole kit and caboodle with a mic holder and capsule from a 
broken Heil BM10/DX4. The capsule holder from the BM10 boom fits perfectly 
into the Koss goose neck after some very minor reaming of the hole. This is 
the mic I take to Multi Multi operations that use rigs such as Yaesu 
1000MP's and Orions, which like the DX4 element; Im losing my love of it... 
Its tinny and thin with no presence but boy, does it make the meters jump on 
those old Yaesus! :).  But fewer and fewer of these rigs are out there, so 
the SB40 stays on its hanger in the shack more often than not anymore.  I 
have owned it since 2009.

I seem to be using the CM500 less and less too... I have found a headset 
that I really really like the sound of, both in RX and in TX:  The Audio 
Technica BPHS1.  Its a bit expensive, but it sounds just lovely with its 
flat response dynamic element.  Its way more comfortable than the Heil Elite 
and the new Pro cans.  Its built for sports play-by-play announcing.

I have also used the Audio Technica PRO8Hex boom mic along with some $11 
Skull Candy earbuds I purchased at Target.  This combination works extremely 
well in very noisy environments.  The earbuds seal out most of any outside 
noise and the Pro8HEx mic has really good articulation and great presence. 
I use that mic at trade shows when doing demo artist duty as it is light and 
easy on the head, plus, since only I use it, I keep my germs to myself at 
the demo stations.

The same capsule used on the Pro8HEx is used in the BPHS1, so the sound is 
identical.  However, I must say, Im a dweeb when it comes to micsand 
headsets but, in all seriousness, you cant go wrong with the $55 CM500 for 
K3 use.

Lu Romero - W4LT


> I suspect that the mic in the Koss is an electret, simply because 
> electrets are cheaper than dynamics, and these are cheap products we're 
> talking about. :)  The challenge, of course, is to separate the "good" 
> cheap from the "bad" and "not very good" cheap.
>
> I've not seen the Koss products, so have no opinion as to their quality.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Aug 18 03:42:07 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:42:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
In-Reply-To: <27B820F1069548AC8EF2685FD152A414@bethe>
References: <27B820F1069548AC8EF2685FD152A414@bethe>
Message-ID: <55D2E1CF.9030705@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,8/17/2015 11:20 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote:
> The Audio Technica BPHS1.  Its a bit expensive, but it sounds just 
> lovely with its flat response dynamic element.  Its way more 
> comfortable than the Heil Elite and the new Pro cans. Its built for 
> sports play-by-play announcing. 

Hi Lu,

AT is a great company, with lots of fine products. I've done some 
consulting for them, know some of their people, and like them 
professionally. My consulting was limited to RFI issues on their mics -- 
I've had no input to the design of their products. I serve on the AES 
Standards Committee with Jackie Green, VP Engineering of AT, and Vice 
Chair of the AES Standards Committee Working Group on Microphones, and 
Jackie is a class act.

All of that said, I think that the CM500 is the best bargain for hams. I 
own two and I've worn out two, thanks to relatively lightweight 
construction.

73, Jim K9YC

From m5kvk at m5kvk.org  Tue Aug 18 04:49:22 2015
From: m5kvk at m5kvk.org (Gareth - M5KVK)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Setting audio drive level when using VOX
Message-ID: <CAPFkiatMm9P2uDKNWc+KxPqdzNiGA_gBSfeRhEfe1UU8w0DfBA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
I think I may have a problem somewhere in my audio chain. I say may because
what I'm seeing may be correct: I'm not sure.

I have a Windows 7 PC running DM780 with a Tascam US2X2 connected via a
20dB pad (10k/1k) to the Mic connector on the K2. I am using VOX, so
there's no other connection.

When I increase the Line Out on the Tascam to point at which the VOX
operates, I immediately see one bar on the ALC. The bar is pretty steady:
maybe very slight flashing. Regardless of further Line Out increases, I
never see more than one bar.

I understood that the drive level should be adjusted to the point of one
bar ALC and then backed off slightly so that ALC is only flashing
occasionally. If I back off even slightly, the VOX drops out.

Is this an artifact of the VOX? i.e. the VOX activation level is too high?
Is it an indication that the 20dB pad is too high? Or is this normal and I
just adjust Line Out until the VOX opens and then leave it there: even
though one bar of ALC is on.

73, Gareth - M5KVK

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 18 07:30:24 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:30:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Setting audio drive level when using VOX
In-Reply-To: <CAPFkiatMm9P2uDKNWc+KxPqdzNiGA_gBSfeRhEfe1UU8w0DfBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiatMm9P2uDKNWc+KxPqdzNiGA_gBSfeRhEfe1UU8w0DfBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D31750.5040809@embarqmail.com>

Gareth,

The VOX on the K2 is the weak point in the KSB2 design.  You will be 
better off using PTT on the K2.
A simple "one transistor keying" circuit can be added to the serial port 
RTS or DTR (which depends on your software) to trigger the K2 PTT will 
give you reliable operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/18/2015 4:49 AM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
> Hi
> I think I may have a problem somewhere in my audio chain. I say may because
> what I'm seeing may be correct: I'm not sure.
>
> I have a Windows 7 PC running DM780 with a Tascam US2X2 connected via a
> 20dB pad (10k/1k) to the Mic connector on the K2. I am using VOX, so
> there's no other connection.
>
> When I increase the Line Out on the Tascam to point at which the VOX
> operates, I immediately see one bar on the ALC. The bar is pretty steady:
> maybe very slight flashing. Regardless of further Line Out increases, I
> never see more than one bar.
>
> I understood that the drive level should be adjusted to the point of one
> bar ALC and then backed off slightly so that ALC is only flashing
> occasionally. If I back off even slightly, the VOX drops out.
>
> Is this an artifact of the VOX? i.e. the VOX activation level is too high?
> Is it an indication that the 20dB pad is too high? Or is this normal and I
> just adjust Line Out until the VOX opens and then leave it there: even
> though one bar of ALC is on.
>
>


From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 07:45:51 2015
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:45:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
In-Reply-To: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <55D31AEF.7070804@gmail.com>

I believe the software is available on the AMSAT website and if you sign 
up for AMSAT membership they will allow the download and send a CD of 
the available software etc.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/17/2015 8:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with 
>> main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is 
>> in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
>>
>> There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
>>
>> Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to 
>> transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency 
>> control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes. This will take 
>> sw via ports in each radio.
>> This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished 
>> thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true way 
>> of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
>>
>> I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him, 
>> as yet.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
>> Dubus Mag business:
>>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 18 10:05:45 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:05:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
In-Reply-To: <55D31AEF.7070804@gmail.com>
References: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
	<55D31AEF.7070804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <044f01d0d9be$fb0903b0$f11b0b10$@carolinaheli.com>

It may merit further research. The owner's manual block indicates the Rx DSP
as "DSP2" ? It may be doable with firmware IF the hardware path would allow
it. IF the hardware paths allow it then it's probably configured in firmware
to protect the DSP/circuits... no clue.. looking for the schematic now.. not
a high priority but fun and educational.
jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 7:46 AM
To: Edward R Cole; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?

I believe the software is available on the AMSAT website and if you sign up
for AMSAT membership they will allow the download and send a CD of the
available software etc.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/17/2015 8:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with 
>> main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is 
>> in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
>>
>> There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
>>
>> Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to 
>> transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency 
>> control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes. This will take 
>> sw via ports in each radio.
>> This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished 
>> thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true way 
>> of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
>>
>> I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him, 
>> as yet.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
>> Dubus Mag business:
>>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>     "Kits made by KL7UW"
> Dubus Mag business:
>     dubususa at gmail.com
>
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 10:18:23 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:18:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
In-Reply-To: <044f01d0d9be$fb0903b0$f11b0b10$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
	<55D31AEF.7070804@gmail.com>
	<044f01d0d9be$fb0903b0$f11b0b10$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D33EAF.7080007@gmail.com>

The K3 is not a full-duplex radio.

At the time of the design of the K3 I was hoping we could make it a full 
duplex radio with external transverters, as I was responsible for and/or 
participated in the design of several subsystems in AO-40 and other 
Amateur spacecraft.

The Subreceiver has its own DSP.  The issue is signal isolation between 
Tx and Rx and a few other
bottlenecks.  Full-duplex capability would have impacted the cost and 
complexity of the radio significantly, and would have been a cost borne 
by all buyers of the product.

Since the initial design time of the K3, the primary focus of most 
Amateur satellites has been for use with dual-band HTs using FM.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> It may merit further research. The owner's manual block indicates the Rx DSP
> as "DSP2" ? ...
...
> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with
> main-Tx in the K3,...


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 18 10:43:40 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Ken Roberson via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:43:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters
Message-ID: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
Good condx on 630 meters 
With the K3 and homebrew power amp running 5 watts ERP on 630 meters ( 475.710 khz )And 60 ft vertical with top loading.
Last night ( 8/18/15 ) this station was decoded by two stations in Australia ( VK2DDI - 13987 km )And ( VK2XGJ - 13962 km ).
630M is the new top band.
73 all K5DNL/WG2XXM

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 18 11:32:52 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA For Sale
Message-ID: <2002752465.6412076.1439911972027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a P3SVGA for sale. ?I purchased a used P3?with this installed and have no need for it. (no?room for a second monitor). ?Mounting screws?and manual included. ?The DC power cable is not?included. ?I was purchased and installed in?May 2014 but was only used for a few hours (perthe original owner). ?$150 shipped in the US.If interested please contact me off list. ?I am?good on QRZ.ThanksBob ?W6VY?

From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 12:04:32 2015
From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (Gareth M5KVK)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:04:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Setting audio drive level when using VOX
In-Reply-To: <55D31750.5040809@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAPFkiatMm9P2uDKNWc+KxPqdzNiGA_gBSfeRhEfe1UU8w0DfBA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D31750.5040809@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FBB5C94-FF4A-4A65-9AB7-52BBC01DABCB@gmail.com>

Aah, that would explain it.
Nomatter, I?ll connect up the CAT and use that.

Thanks, Don
73

Gareth - M5KVK
gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com
m5kvk at m5kvk.org



> On 18 Aug 2015, at 12:30, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gareth,
> 
> The VOX on the K2 is the weak point in the KSB2 design.  You will be better off using PTT on the K2.
> A simple "one transistor keying" circuit can be added to the serial port RTS or DTR (which depends on your software) to trigger the K2 PTT will give you reliable operation.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/18/2015 4:49 AM, Gareth - M5KVK wrote:
>> Hi
>> I think I may have a problem somewhere in my audio chain. I say may because
>> what I'm seeing may be correct: I'm not sure.
>> 
>> I have a Windows 7 PC running DM780 with a Tascam US2X2 connected via a
>> 20dB pad (10k/1k) to the Mic connector on the K2. I am using VOX, so
>> there's no other connection.
>> 
>> When I increase the Line Out on the Tascam to point at which the VOX
>> operates, I immediately see one bar on the ALC. The bar is pretty steady:
>> maybe very slight flashing. Regardless of further Line Out increases, I
>> never see more than one bar.
>> 
>> I understood that the drive level should be adjusted to the point of one
>> bar ALC and then backed off slightly so that ALC is only flashing
>> occasionally. If I back off even slightly, the VOX drops out.
>> 
>> Is this an artifact of the VOX? i.e. the VOX activation level is too high?
>> Is it an indication that the 20dB pad is too high? Or is this normal and I
>> just adjust Line Out until the VOX opens and then leave it there: even
>> though one bar of ALC is on.
>> 
>> 
> 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Aug 18 12:50:27 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 09:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters
In-Reply-To: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6C5EE3C8-BCED-4293-BB6F-5A6F0F8F1E32@elecraft.com>

Amazing, Ken! Thanks for the report.

Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Good condx on 630 meters 
> With the K3 and homebrew power amp running 5 watts ERP on 630 meters ( 475.710 khz )And 60 ft vertical with top loading.
> Last night ( 8/18/15 ) this station was decoded by two stations in Australia ( VK2DDI - 13987 km )And ( VK2XGJ - 13962 km ).
> 630M is the new top band.
> 73 all K5DNL/WG2XXM




From n9tf at comcast.net  Tue Aug 18 12:55:18 2015
From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:55:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters
In-Reply-To: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1712925485.6885471.1439916918945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

AWESOME, Ken! Now I gotta figure my entry into the 630 meter fray. The XYL is going to kill me!!! 
73 Gene N9TF 
? 
? 
K3S-10057 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ken Roberson via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 9:43:40 AM 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters 

Hello all, 
Good condx on 630 meters 
With the K3 and homebrew power amp running 5 watts ERP on 630 meters ( 475.710 khz )And 60 ft vertical with top loading. 
Last night ( 8/18/15 ) this station was decoded by two stations in Australia ( VK2DDI - 13987 km )And ( VK2XGJ - 13962 km ). 
630M is the new top band. 
73 all K5DNL/WG2XXM 
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Tue Aug 18 12:59:00 2015
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:59:00 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters
In-Reply-To: <6C5EE3C8-BCED-4293-BB6F-5A6F0F8F1E32@elecraft.com>
References: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6C5EE3C8-BCED-4293-BB6F-5A6F0F8F1E32@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <3DA600EB8BC9452D973EF6D3CB89B46C@DavidPC>

Amazing Ken

How much power did you deliver to the aerial system to get 5W ERP?

David
G3UNA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Ken Roberson" <kwroberson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters


> Amazing, Ken! Thanks for the report.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft 
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Good condx on 630 meters
>> With the K3 and homebrew power amp running 5 watts ERP on 630 meters ( 
>> 475.710 khz )And 60 ft vertical with top loading.
>> Last night ( 8/18/15 ) this station was decoded by two stations in 
>> Australia ( VK2DDI - 13987 km )And ( VK2XGJ - 13962 km ).
>> 630M is the new top band.
>> 73 all K5DNL/WG2XXM
>
>
>
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From k9fd at flex.com  Tue Aug 18 13:10:57 2015
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 07:10:57 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3- 630 meters
In-Reply-To: <6C5EE3C8-BCED-4293-BB6F-5A6F0F8F1E32@elecraft.com>
References: <135762036.6395389.1439909020456.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6C5EE3C8-BCED-4293-BB6F-5A6F0F8F1E32@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55D36721.7000608@flex.com>

I had just finished putting the Synth board in and modifying the
BPF,   2 days ago was able to copy VK3 on 630M for what we
think is the first VK to KH6.   Not as far as Kens trip,  but was
nice to see the K3 working very well.
Antenna here on receive is 40ft high 80 meter dipole fed with ladder line
shorted in the shack,  fed to the K3.
Transmit is 160 meter InvL  70 ft high with variometer at the
base for tuning/loading.
Working to modify my transverter for K3 direct input now
instead of using 10mhz as the IF.
I missed last nite due to my computer mother board giving up
the ghost.
Thanks Elecraft.
73 Merv  K9FD/KH6
> Amazing, Ken! Thanks for the report.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Good condx on 630 meters
>> With the K3 and homebrew power amp running 5 watts ERP on 630 meters ( 475.710 khz )And 60 ft vertical with top loading.
>> Last night ( 8/18/15 ) this station was decoded by two stations in Australia ( VK2DDI - 13987 km )And ( VK2XGJ - 13962 km ).
>> 630M is the new top band.
>> 73 all K5DNL/WG2XXM
>
>
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From kb2m at arrl.net  Tue Aug 18 15:14:53 2015
From: kb2m at arrl.net (Microsoft Office Outlook)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT
References: <27B820F1069548AC8EF2685FD152A414@bethe> 
Message-ID: <003801d0d9ea$29b421b0$7d1c6510$@net>

 That's odd, I use a Koss SB-40 on my IC-9100 for satellite. I had
originally bought it to dismantle and use the ear cushions to  replace the
worn out  one's on a CM-500 I had. But when I listen to my D/L  it sounds
good enough for me, never a bad audio report. I don't think I would use it
to rag-chew with on HF but it is more comfortable to wear and does the same
job as a Heil PRO 7 I bought to replace it when I mistakenly shipped the
40's to my winter home. The Koss set is now back here where it belongs, the
Heil now sits on the shelf waiting to be sold at the next hamfest I table
at. For 25 $, the SB-40's are a good deal. I use the CM-500's exclusively on
my remote K3/0 mini setup....  

73 Jeff kb2m 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Luis
V. Romero
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 2:20 AM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Cleaner audio with Yamaha CM500, also PTT

I have several CM500'ds and also a Koss SB40.  The Koss SB40 headset is
IDENTICAL to the CM500 in design and construction, except in one area:  The
Mic capsule. The Koss mic capsule is dynamic, not condenser.  It is also
HORRIBLE!  I believe it is a cheap earphone soldered up for mic duty.  It
sounds like absolute mud and no amount of eq in the K3 or with my outboard
equipment made it sound acceptably.

Lu Romero - W4LT



From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 18 15:25:19 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (pkhjr via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:25:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA For Sale
In-Reply-To: <2002752465.6412076.1439911972027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2002752465.6412076.1439911972027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1439925919993-7606423.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'll take it Paypal?

Tex 
ka5y



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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 18 16:26:45 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Robert Dorchuck W6VY via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:26:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA For Sale
In-Reply-To: <2002752465.6412076.1439911972027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2002752465.6412076.1439911972027.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <452219929.6589313.1439929605135.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

The P3SVGA has been spoken for.ThanksBob ?W6VY
?

  

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Aug 18 16:44:40 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:44:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <201508182044.t7IKifge018835@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Jim and any others interested:

http://www.amsat.org/?p=1489

An article written in 1994 on the principle I was alluding 
to.  Way-back in 1999, AA2TX wrote Instatune which performed this for 
the FT-847.  KB5MU writes in 1999 that several other programs have 
this feature (but the link is broken to the Amsat Store).  Currently 
Amsat offers: MacDoppler and SatPC32 (which I already have).
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/index.php?cPath=2

I'll have to check to see if it is implemented in SatPC32 (what 
radios are supported).  But most likely it does not support control 
of either the K3 or KX3.  Software mavens most likely can easily make 
a driver that will work with SatPC32.

73, Ed - KL7uW

From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com>
To: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
Message-ID: <55D31AEF.7070804 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

I believe the software is available on the AMSAT website and if you sign
up for AMSAT membership they will allow the download and send a CD of
the available software etc.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/17/2015 8:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 >
 >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
 >> To: Elecraft Reflector
 >> From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
 >>
 >> Jerry,
 >>
 >> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with
 >> main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is
 >> in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
 >>
 >> There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
 >>
 >> Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to
 >> transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency
 >> control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes. This will take
 >> sw via ports in each radio.
 >> This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished
 >> thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true way
 >> of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
 >>
 >> I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him,
 >> as yet.
 >>
 >> 73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com>
To: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
Message-ID: <55D31AEF.7070804 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

I believe the software is available on the AMSAT website and if you sign
up for AMSAT membership they will allow the download and send a CD of
the available software etc.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/17/2015 8:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 >
 >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
 >> To: Elecraft Reflector
 >> From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
 >>
 >> Jerry,
 >>
 >> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with
 >> main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is
 >> in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
 >>
 >> There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
 >>
 >> Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to
 >> transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency
 >> control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes. This will take
 >> sw via ports in each radio.
 >> This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished
 >> thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true way
 >> of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
 >>
 >> I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him,
 >> as yet.
 >>
 >> 73, Ed - KL7UW


From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com>
To: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
Message-ID: <55D31AEF.7070804 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

I believe the software is available on the AMSAT website and if you sign
up for AMSAT membership they will allow the download and send a CD of
the available software etc.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/17/2015 8:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 >
 >> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:45 -0800
 >> To: Elecraft Reflector
 >> From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net>
 >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Full duplex for Sat work?
 >>
 >> Jerry,
 >>
 >> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with
 >> main-Tx in the K3, but as you discovered its not possible as DSP is
 >> in use for Tx or Rx, but not both simultaneously.
 >>
 >> There is a kind of solution, though, if you own both K3 and KX3:
 >>
 >> Set K3-2M to listen on 145-MHz and use K3 with 432 transverter to
 >> transmit 435 (or vice versa).  The "big" issue is linking frequency
 >> control of both radios for tracking Doppler changes. This will take
 >> sw via ports in each radio.
 >> This will be a third-party sw source an not "likely" accomplished
 >> thru firmware updates. Amsat has had what they call the "One true way
 >> of tracking"; have to research that to find out if it still exists.
 >>
 >> I know a ham that might develop such sw but have not contacted him,
 >> as yet.
 >>
 >> 73, Ed - KL7UW


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From n6axjohn at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 17:16:05 2015
From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:16:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS PR-6 Low Noise Preamplifier
Message-ID: <CAAFJj=pteN09NKvX9A65hAiS2-9T3N-JCt59wCAencgvC_2wLg@mail.gmail.com>

Plans changed....am selling my excellent condition PR-6, tested working per
specifications.

Includes BNC adapters and power/control cable included wehn new.

Will ship CONUS for $90.00

Please reply off-list

John, N6AX

From vk5dg at internode.on.net  Tue Aug 18 19:01:43 2015
From: vk5dg at internode.on.net (David Giles)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:31:43 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Full duplex for Sat work?
In-Reply-To: <55D33EAF.7080007@gmail.com>
References: <201508180108.t7I18gXo031177@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>	<55D31AEF.7070804@gmail.com>	<044f01d0d9be$fb0903b0$f11b0b10$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55D33EAF.7080007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D3B957.8060102@internode.on.net>

Hello Lyle,

So using the K3 in test mode with the main transmitter on 10m or 6m 
driving a transverter at 1mW and the subreceiver fed from a downlink 
transverter isn't possible?  A pity since I have been using my K3 (and 
K2) on the birds for quite some time but always hoped I could use it 
full duplex.

FM sats may be the primary focus for North America with AMSAT-NA's FOX 
series, the rest of the world is building linear transponders.  (I use 
both types, no need to discuss the merits of either).

73 de David VK5DG

On 18/08/2015 23:48, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> The K3 is not a full-duplex radio.
>
> At the time of the design of the K3 I was hoping we could make it a 
> full duplex radio with external transverters, as I was responsible for 
> and/or participated in the design of several subsystems in AO-40 and 
> other Amateur spacecraft.
>
> The Subreceiver has its own DSP.  The issue is signal isolation 
> between Tx and Rx and a few other
> bottlenecks.  Full-duplex capability would have impacted the cost and 
> complexity of the radio significantly, and would have been a cost 
> borne by all buyers of the product.
>
> Since the initial design time of the K3, the primary focus of most 
> Amateur satellites has been for use with dual-band HTs using FM.
>
> 73,
>
> Lyle KK7P
>
>> It may merit further research. The owner's manual block indicates the 
>> Rx DSP
>> as "DSP2" ? ...
> ...
>> Its tempting to think maybe the sub-Rx could be used duplex with
>> main-Tx in the K3,...
>
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From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 19:32:18 2015
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 16:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B Upgrade
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM7BvmR=GbLFN2myVmuHrXUCrEwE+T_DZRxQ2gzWHxgH8w@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any time line on when a KIO3B upgrade will be available for my old
K3?

John K7JLT

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Tue Aug 18 19:47:20 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:47:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM7BvmR=GbLFN2myVmuHrXUCrEwE+T_DZRxQ2gzWHxgH8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM7BvmR=GbLFN2myVmuHrXUCrEwE+T_DZRxQ2gzWHxgH8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D3C408.40804@embarqmail.com>

John,

The answer in the K3S FAQ is "Later this year", so according to that, 
Elecraft has until Dec 31 to honor that commitment.

On a more realistic note, it should be available as soon as the shipment 
demand for the K3S has slackened a bit and there is excess inventory of 
the KIO3B modules to allow it to be released for K3 upgrades.  That 
depends on several factors, not the least of which is how fast (and in 
what quantities) can the board house which assembles them provide 
sufficient quantities to Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/18/2015 7:32 PM, John Hendricks wrote:
> Is there any time line on when a KIO3B upgrade will be available for my old
> K3?
>
>


From jameskvochick at me.com  Wed Aug 19 10:03:22 2015
From: jameskvochick at me.com (James kvochick)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 for sale
Message-ID: <7F20307C-EAB2-4F40-84E8-5203007E1840@me.com>

KXPA100 Amplifier, with KXAT100 tuner, and KXPACBL kit.

Amplifier serial number is 0278

All original cables, and manuals included.

$895.00 including shipping in the CONUS.

Email me directly K8JK at ARRL.NET



From jsdroyster at nc.rr.com  Wed Aug 19 11:47:10 2015
From: jsdroyster at nc.rr.com (jsdroyster at nc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:47:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] seeking help to use fldigi for CW with K3 and KX3
Message-ID: <20150819154710.0Z09U.127961.root@cdptpa-web05>

Hello to all!
My husband Larry, NC4LR, has a neurological disease and cannot manage CW manually.
I want to enable him to use fldigi for CW since he now uses it for PSK and RTTY.

Don Wilhelm has told me to leave the K3 in Data-A mode, which works fine for PSK and RTTY using fldigi. 

Then in fldigi, I choose op mode as CW and leave the box under frequency as USB (where it is for PSK and RTTY also).
 
I can see CW signals on the waterfall but nothing gets decoded.
I tried changing the WPM setting but this did not help (I understand you are supposed to get the WPM approximately matching the incoming signal). 

What could be preventing decoding??   Any ideas? 

THANKS for any help anyone can offer!!!!
 Julie KT4JR

From wes at triconet.org  Wed Aug 19 13:04:49 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote Utility
Message-ID: <55D4B731.4040301@triconet.org>

I'm trying to use the KAT500 Remote Utility and having an issue. I've used this 
in the past without incident, although that may have been an earlier version.

The current version 1.0.9.0 connects to the KAT500 normally, briefly displays 
the (correct) state of the tuner then almost immediately crashes.  Can anyone 
else verify this and/or offer a fix?

Thanks, Wes  N7WS

From dick at elecraft.com  Wed Aug 19 16:03:05 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:03:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility 1.15.8.18 now available
Message-ID: <012701d0daba$10085c60$30191520$@elecraft.com>

K3 Utility revision 1.15.8.18 has been placed on our web site, see
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

The new version has several timing adjustments (for K3 and K3S) and commands
to react to new K3S capability.

It is particularly important for K3S owners to upgrade to this new Utility
revision before attempting RF Gain Calibration.

73 de Dick, K6KR



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Aug 19 16:14:14 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] seeking help to use fldigi for CW with K3 and KX3
In-Reply-To: <55D4E247.2050908@blomand.net>
References: <20150819154710.0Z09U.127961.root@cdptpa-web05>
	<55D4E247.2050908@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55D4E396.5030201@blomand.net>

The Squelch level I am referencing is on the FLDIGI screen and not on 
the radio.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/19/2015 3:08 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> I suspect that Squelch is either turned on and if so the threshold is 
> too high.  I normally run with squelch on but the threshold set very 
> low.  This is the squelch level bar on the lower right side.
>
> I am using FLDIGI version 3.22.13.  I set the mode for PKTLSB when I 
> work CW.  You may also need to adjust the CODEC level via the 
> soundcard in the compter.  This may depend on Windows version. I'm 
> running Windows 10 quite nicely with few issues.
>
> The radio mode is set for TXDATA,   Data A,  and REV for  CW which is 
> LSB.    When I change the FLDIGI mode to CW then the radio follows as 
> I am running CAT control.  So in the upper left of the FLDIGI screen, 
> set the mode to PKTLSB and the lower left should show the CW RX speed 
> and then the next box to the right the CW sending speed as two digits.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/19/2015 10:47 AM, jsdroyster at nc.rr.com wrote:
>> Hello to all!
>> My husband Larry, NC4LR, has a neurological disease and cannot manage 
>> CW manually.
>> I want to enable him to use fldigi for CW since he now uses it for 
>> PSK and RTTY.
>>
>> Don Wilhelm has told me to leave the K3 in Data-A mode, which works 
>> fine for PSK and RTTY using fldigi.
>>
>> Then in fldigi, I choose op mode as CW and leave the box under 
>> frequency as USB (where it is for PSK and RTTY also).
>>   I can see CW signals on the waterfall but nothing gets decoded.
>> I tried changing the WPM setting but this did not help (I understand 
>> you are supposed to get the WPM approximately matching the incoming 
>> signal).
>>
>> What could be preventing decoding??   Any ideas?
>>
>> THANKS for any help anyone can offer!!!!
>>   Julie KT4JR
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Aug 19 17:31:04 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S backlog now caught up
Message-ID: <55D4F598.6060406@elecraft.com>

We've now caught up with our K3S backlog (whew!) and are now shipping quickly 
after order receipt.

K3S-K (kit) ships 2-5 business days after order.

K3S-F (Factory Assembled) ships 3-7 business days after order.

Thanks for all the orders and for your support!

73,

Eric
/elecraft.com/


From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Aug 19 18:35:37 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available
Message-ID: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com>

This release adds features and fixes some bugs with the P3TXMON 
accessory board.    We're trying to get this firmware into general 
release as soon as possible so even if you don't have the P3TXMON, you 
can still help us by loading this new firmware in your P3/SVGA. Please 
email me directly (pauls at you know where dot come) with any 
bugs/issues found.


Instructions on how to download and install BETA firmware to your 
P3/SVGA can be found at the end of this post, after the release notes.

Release notes for P3 version 1.54 and SVGA 1.25 are:

*MCU 01.54 / 8-14-2015*

* Added new transmit monitor maximum power meter scales of 160W and 1600W.

* When the P3 with transmit monitor is connected to a K3, the P3 goes 
into transmit mode only when commanded by the K3 and not when RF power 
is detected.This prevents false triggering when RF power is present from 
another transmitter using a nearby antenna.

Bug fixes:

* Noise blanker settings are sent immediately to the SVGA upon band changes.

* Noise blanker settings are saved in non-volatile memory when set via 
RS-232 commands.

* Reference level labels are properly rounded.

* The SVGA WfEn "Track main" mode name was changed to "Same as 
main".This mode now initializes properly upon power-up and menu items to 
adjust the SVGA waterfall values are inhibited when in this mode.

* The SVGA waterfall height is limited to avoid interfering with the NB 
icon when adjusted via the main waterfall menu item while in "Same as 
main" mode.

* On the main display, menu labels are prevented from impinging on the 
waterfall area if the transmit monitor meters are enabled, the function 
key labels are enabled, and the waterfall size is set too high.

* Prevents the possibility that FN1 could get re-defined during a 
firmware update.

* Eliminates extraneous text on the display when activating certain menu 
functions when the TX monitor coupler is not present or the SVGA 
waterfall is set to "Same as main".

* When no K3 is present, the transmit monitor uses a higher trigger 
level with the VHF coupler to sense when to go to transmit mode, in 
order to prevent false triggering.

*P3SVGA 01.25 / 08-19-2015 *

**

* Added Noise Blanker.

* Developed a faster method of detecting K3 transmit/receive state changes.

* Added data terminal ?send on space? to the available data TX modes.

* Added replay of keyboard input using Ctrl-Alt-R.Ctrl-C will clear 
replay buffer.

* Added ?\r? to embed a CR in text message. Use ?\\? to send a single ?\?.

* Added ?\c? to embed an incrementing serial counter in a text 
message.Clearing/presetting counter may be done in the setup screen 
(Ctrl-Alt-S).

* Text messages sent in data terminal mode now respect the mode setting 
(VOX, CR, ^T).

* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing the time-out to not 
reset correctly.

* Fixed a bug in data terminal mode that was causing non-existent 
characters to be retrieved and sent.Also fixes a bug of missing characters.

* Fixed a problem that caused some SVGA boards to not initialize 
correctly from P3 commands at boot.

* Added waterfall cursors, these display exactly as they do on the P3 
screen.

**





                     -----------------------------------------------
How To Download and Install P3/SVGA BETA Firmware:

NOTE: Beta test firmware may have new issues that we haven't caught 
during field testing.

Follow these steps to load a P3 beta firmware release:

1. Create a new folder for the beta firmware on your Desktop or some 
other easily found location. (Don't use the same folder you use for the 
regular firmware release; you may want to keep those files around in 
case you decide to go back to that revision.)

2. In a web browser, type in this URL:

  ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/P3/firmware/beta

NOTE: On some computers, it may take some time for a directory of the 
beta files to appear.  If you do not see the correct files, press 
'refresh' on your browser to reload the page.

You should see the file: P3-0150_SVGA-0124BETA.zip   If you do not see 
this version of the zip file, press the RELOAD / REFRESH button on your 
browser to update your browser cache.

3. Right-click on the .zip file containing the beta firmware (e.g. 
P3-0150_SVGA-0124BETA.zip). Save the file to your beta folder.

4. Unzip the files into the beta folder.

5. Enter the path to the beta folder in P3 Utility ("Local folder for 
firmware files").

6. Make sure you *DO NOT* check the P3 Utility box titled "Copy new 
files from Elecraft server".

7. Click on "Check versions now". Your P3 must be connected to the 
computer and turned on.

8. Review the release notes (under the "Help" pull-down menu).

9. Click "Send all firmware to P3."

10. Please report any new firmware issues to k3support at elecraft.com


73,

Paul

-- 
Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
www.elecraft.com


From n9vx.joe at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 19:10:50 2015
From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:10:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: P3SVGA Adapter
Message-ID: <CAEk6-=tO7nWPxvU02E5=MuNu2q=ufdd8RBRYc00m=W0dBVQXZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to purchase a Elecraft P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter. Please state condition
and priced shipped to Indiana. Respond to:
n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

Thanks,

Joe  N9VX

From pauls at elecraft.com  Wed Aug 19 20:19:09 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:19:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available
In-Reply-To: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com>
References: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55D51CFD.1020501@elecraft.com>

I accidentally put in the wrong file name in the BETA firmware 
download/install instructions.  The file name you should download is: 
P3-0154_SVGA-0125.ZIP
(it's the only file in the beta ftp directory)

-Paul

Paul Saffren - N6HZ
Project Manager
Elecraft Inc.
www.elecraft.com




From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Thu Aug 20 07:23:38 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:23:38 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Microham_Station_Master_Inhibit_-=3E_K3_=3F?=
Message-ID: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>

Hello,

I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector. So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the switches, the PA etc.

According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.

Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in the K3's ACC connector ?
I prefer to ask before doing it.

Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH. Anyone has experience ?

Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?

Thanks

Marco, HB9CAT


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 20 07:38:32 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:38:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>
References: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>
Message-ID: <00f301d0db3c$bfa95250$3efbf6f0$@carolinaheli.com>

Refer to the owners manual for the TX inhibit signal page 19.
The pin 7 can be configured for TX on OR TX inhibit. I'd suggest using two
resistors as a voltage divider so the pin voltage is never above 5VDC per
the manual. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Marco
HB9CAT
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 7:24 AM
To: "Reflector"
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?

Hello,

I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot
switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham Station
Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector. So Inhibit will
be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the switches, the PA etc.

According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be connected to
Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted to plug it directly
into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage on the Station Master's
Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.

Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in the
K3's ACC connector ?
I prefer to ask before doing it.

Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this signal
goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH. Anyone has
experience ?

Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does Inhibit
activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?

Thanks

Marco, HB9CAT

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From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 11:13:27 2015
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:13:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available
In-Reply-To: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com>
References: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55D5EE97.9070704@gmail.com>

Thanks, Paul.

I just loaded the new beta to my P3 (no SVGA) and it all seems to be 
working well with K3 s/n 4668 with latest firmware.  I don't have any 
way to check the new transmit monitor trigger level because the K3 is my 
sole HF rig.

73, Steve W4FMD

On 8/19/2015 6:35 PM, Paul Saffren wrote:
> This release adds features and fixes some bugs with the P3TXMON 
> accessory board.    We're trying to get this firmware into general 
> release as soon as possible so even if you don't have the P3TXMON, you 
> can still help us by loading this new firmware in your P3/SVGA. Please 
> email me directly (pauls at you know where dot come) with any 
> bugs/issues found.
>
>


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 20 11:33:10 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:33:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available
In-Reply-To: <55D5EE97.9070704@gmail.com>
References: <55D504B9.9080501@elecraft.com> <55D5EE97.9070704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD5712EE98D04CFCAD5AF9BF8B454B76@tomsPC>

Hi,
I'm happy to report that all functions seem to be good on the SVGA. 
Averaging now works correctly, noise blanker as well, and the Y axis now 
rounds out at 10 dBm instead of 9.
All functions appear to work from the API as well.
73 Tom
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Glickstein
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:13 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available

Thanks, Paul.

I just loaded the new beta to my P3 (no SVGA) and it all seems to be
working well with K3 s/n 4668 with latest firmware.  I don't have any
way to check the new transmit monitor trigger level because the K3 is my
sole HF rig.

73, Steve W4FMD

On 8/19/2015 6:35 PM, Paul Saffren wrote:
> This release adds features and fixes some bugs with the P3TXMON accessory 
> board.    We're trying to get this firmware into general release as soon 
> as possible so even if you don't have the P3TXMON, you can still help us 
> by loading this new firmware in your P3/SVGA. Please email me directly 
> (pauls at you know where dot come) with any bugs/issues found.
>
>

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From arlenfletcher at mac.com  Thu Aug 20 11:33:46 2015
From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:33:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
Message-ID: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>

I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx) as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only please! All gear is in proper working order and is from a smoke-free and animal-free home. The KPA500 has had one previous owner, and the AL-80B was an ?open Box? purchase from DX Engineering. All the other equipment was purchased new and is being sold by the original owner. Photos are on my QRZ page (AA7F). I?ll pay for standard surface shipping, you pay the difference if you want expedited shipping. Payment accepted via cashier?s check only. 

Equipment details follow:

Elecraft K3/100 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents,  $2800

Includes:

	? KPA3 100W PA Module
	? KAT3 ATU Module
	? KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, & Xverter Interface
	? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz, 5-pole filter
	? KFL3A-400 400Hz, 8-pole filter
	? KRX3 2nd Rcvr
		? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz 5-pole filter for KRX3
		? KFL3A-400 8-pole filter for KRX3
	? Manuals included


Elecraft P3 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, small scratch on the top surface of the front panel, no dents, $500

Elecraft KPA500 - purchased used within the last 2 months (minor cosmetic scratches on rear of top panel from previous owner) $1700



Non-Elecraft gear for sale:

Ameritron AL80B amplifier - ?Open Box? purchase from DX Engineering in 2014. The W8JI TOF module (http://www.w8ji.com/TOF1.htm) is installed in this amp.  $850

Palstar HF-Auto antenna tuner - (S/N 231xx) purchased new from DX Engineering in Aug 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $1200

LP100A Digital Vector Wattmeter (S/N 040xx) w/ standard coupler - purchased new from Telepost in Sept 2014, Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $350

N3ZN model ZN5 Iambic Key, brass version, like new! (S/N 129) $275

73,

Arlen - AA7F

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 12:42:55 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:42:55 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com>

I'm not being critical of Arlen (or anyone), but why do so many people 
selling equipment not want to ship it overseas? If the buyer pays the 
actual shipping cost, then the only difference is the single customs 
declaration the seller has to fill out, which takes about 2 minutes. 
Payment can be made by Paypal, and shipment can be by USPS, or to most 
countries by UPS or Fedex.

As someone who sent huge quantities of stuff from the USA to my kids 
here, I just don't get it.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 20 Aug 2015 18:33, Arlen Fletcher wrote:
> I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx)
> as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only
> please!

From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Aug 20 12:56:13 2015
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:56:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
	<55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60EC9813-499C-4F1B-BF34-3B8DA3C013A5@me.com>

Vic, mostly it depends on where the item(s) are being sent to. I?ve been selling on eBay for over 12 years, and I DO ship overseas. However, when it comes to something really expensive, I opt not to do that for certain countries. There are parts of the world that have a very, very bad reputation for corruption in the postal system. Stuff is pilfered from the mail and delivery agents. As a seller, you are told by eBay / PayPal that you are protected against such things. In truth, it takes a LOT of effort to get reimbursed if something goes lost on it?s way to a foreign country. If an item is sent outside of the eBay / PayPal domain, getting re-imbursed is ever more difficult.

And it is not just overseas shipping. Case in point - I sent a $500 classic postage stamp to a buyer in Texas a few years ago. It was an eBay transaction. I had sent it via USPS, with insurance, tracking number, etc. It disappeared. The buyer supposedly had told the PO to hold his mail while on vacation. The PO said they mistakenly delivered it and ?someone? signed for it. It took me almost THREE MONTHS and a whole lot of paperwork to get my money back and then refund it to the buyer. It was an ugly process. Should something like that happen with an overseas shipment, good luck getting the PO in that country to own up to what happened or even respond to inquiries.

Would I have a problem shipping to Canada, Great Britain, France, etc?? Probably not, But there are other places (un mentioned here) where I would not even consider shipping to.

Anyway, that?s my viewpoint on it. :-)

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA


> On   Thursday, Aug 20, 2015, at  Thursday, 9:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not being critical of Arlen (or anyone), but why do so many people selling equipment not want to ship it overseas? If the buyer pays the actual shipping cost, then the only difference is the single customs declaration the seller has to fill out, which takes about 2 minutes. Payment can be made by Paypal, and shipment can be by USPS, or to most countries by UPS or Fedex.
> 
> As someone who sent huge quantities of stuff from the USA to my kids here, I just don't get it.
> 
> 73,
> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
> Rehovot, Israel
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> On 20 Aug 2015 18:33, Arlen Fletcher wrote:
>> I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx)
>> as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only
>> please!
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 20 12:59:34 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
	<55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D60776.40900@embarqmail.com>

I also "don't get it".  Especially those who specify "Continental USA" 
or "Lower 48".
Priority Mail to Hawaii or Alaska or even Puerto Rico is just like that 
in the rest of the US.

Yes, International shipping is not difficult at all, just fill in the 
customs declaration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/20/2015 12:42 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
> I'm not being critical of Arlen (or anyone), but why do so many people 
> selling equipment not want to ship it overseas? If the buyer pays the 
> actual shipping cost, then the only difference is the single customs 
> declaration the seller has to fill out, which takes about 2 minutes. 
> Payment can be made by Paypal, and shipment can be by USPS, or to most 
> countries by UPS or Fedex.
>
> As someone who sent huge quantities of stuff from the USA to my kids 
> here, I just don't get it.
>


From keith.hutt at virgin.net  Thu Aug 20 13:20:12 2015
From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:20:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping ouitside the US etc
Message-ID: <290BFA6BA8EE41B28FCEF025B4FFE859@KeithPC>

A while ago apiece of equipment  was offered for sale on here as usual it was to US only. Anyway i offered to pay in full immediately and collect in 4 weeks time when i was in the US visiting relatives, i got quite an abusive reply asking what i did not understand about US shipping only.  Oh and i offered to pay the full amount via PayPal+fees so the asking price was what he got without paying fees.

Keith G0TSH

From lists at subich.com  Thu Aug 20 13:31:29 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <55D60776.40900@embarqmail.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
	<55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com> <55D60776.40900@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D60EF1.1090908@subich.com>


On 8/20/2015 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I also "don't get it". Especially those who specify "Continental
> USA" or "Lower 48". Priority Mail to Hawaii or Alaska or even Puerto
> Rico is just like that in the rest of the US.

The seller here specified that he would pay standard surface shipping.
Those costs are substantially higher to Alaska, Hawaii, and other US
Territories.  I can understand a limitation with regard to shipping.

 > Yes, International shipping is not difficult at all, just fill in the
 > customs declaration.

Customs declaration is only a small part of the issue ... most sellers
will get eaten alive by currency fees and there is no easy recourse if
something goes wrong in an international transaction.  It's one thing
for me to ship a "care package" to my son in VE2 and entirely more of
a risk to ship $2000 worth of goods somewhere in a "developing economy"
- particularly ones that have histories of "postal issues."

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/20/2015 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I also "don't get it".  Especially those who specify "Continental USA"
> or "Lower 48".
> Priority Mail to Hawaii or Alaska or even Puerto Rico is just like that
> in the rest of the US.
>
> Yes, International shipping is not difficult at all, just fill in the
> customs declaration.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/20/2015 12:42 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote:
>> I'm not being critical of Arlen (or anyone), but why do so many people
>> selling equipment not want to ship it overseas? If the buyer pays the
>> actual shipping cost, then the only difference is the single customs
>> declaration the seller has to fill out, which takes about 2 minutes.
>> Payment can be made by Paypal, and shipment can be by USPS, or to most
>> countries by UPS or Fedex.
>>
>> As someone who sent huge quantities of stuff from the USA to my kids
>> here, I just don't get it.
>>
>
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From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Thu Aug 20 14:40:32 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:40:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
Message-ID: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I 
was not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no 
longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing 
tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new 
K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra 
expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X 
improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be 
convinced to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X 
improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

-- 
Frank-K5DKZ


From arlenfletcher at mac.com  Thu Aug 20 13:44:12 2015
From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:44:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2F8EED1B-C33C-4551-817C-36DEA696D59F@mac.com>

The P3 has been spoken for.

Thanks.

Arlen - AA7F

> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Arlen Fletcher <arlenfletcher at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx) as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only please! All gear is in proper working order and is from a smoke-free and animal-free home. The KPA500 has had one previous owner, and the AL-80B was an ?open Box? purchase from DX Engineering. All the other equipment was purchased new and is being sold by the original owner. Photos are on my QRZ page (AA7F). I?ll pay for standard surface shipping, you pay the difference if you want expedited shipping. Payment accepted via cashier?s check only. 
> 
> Equipment details follow:
> 
> Elecraft K3/100 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents,  $2800
> 
> Includes:
> 
> 	? KPA3 100W PA Module
> 	? KAT3 ATU Module
> 	? KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, & Xverter Interface
> 	? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz, 5-pole filter
> 	? KFL3A-400 400Hz, 8-pole filter
> 	? KRX3 2nd Rcvr
> 		? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz 5-pole filter for KRX3
> 		? KFL3A-400 8-pole filter for KRX3
> 	? Manuals included
> 
> 
> Elecraft P3 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, small scratch on the top surface of the front panel, no dents, $500
> 
> Elecraft KPA500 - purchased used within the last 2 months (minor cosmetic scratches on rear of top panel from previous owner) $1700
> 
> 
> 
> Non-Elecraft gear for sale:
> 
> Ameritron AL80B amplifier - ?Open Box? purchase from DX Engineering in 2014. The W8JI TOF module (http://www.w8ji.com/TOF1.htm) is installed in this amp.  $850
> 
> Palstar HF-Auto antenna tuner - (S/N 231xx) purchased new from DX Engineering in Aug 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $1200
> 
> LP100A Digital Vector Wattmeter (S/N 040xx) w/ standard coupler - purchased new from Telepost in Sept 2014, Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $350
> 
> N3ZN model ZN5 Iambic Key, brass version, like new! (S/N 129) $275
> 
> 73,
> 
> Arlen - AA7F
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 13:46:29 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:46:29 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <55D60EF1.1090908@subich.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
	<55D6038F.9000501@gmail.com> <55D60776.40900@embarqmail.com>
	<55D60EF1.1090908@subich.com>
Message-ID: <55D61275.3090905@gmail.com>

You can pay by PayPal in US dollars and even add the commission fee if 
the seller requests. Who gets eaten alive by currency conversion is the 
buyer, not the seller.

With PayPal you have the same recourse regardless of the location of the 
buyer. And of course you can ask for payment in advance. Sure, in the US 
you can theoretically sue someone. Not practical for $2000.

It is the buyer that takes the risk of local problems, but if he wants 
to pay the premium for UPS or FEDEX, then he can bypass the local postal 
service.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 20 Aug 2015 20:31, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 8/20/2015 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I also "don't get it". Especially those who specify "Continental
>> USA" or "Lower 48". Priority Mail to Hawaii or Alaska or even Puerto
>> Rico is just like that in the rest of the US.
>
> The seller here specified that he would pay standard surface shipping.
> Those costs are substantially higher to Alaska, Hawaii, and other US
> Territories.  I can understand a limitation with regard to shipping.
>
>  > Yes, International shipping is not difficult at all, just fill in the
>  > customs declaration.
>
> Customs declaration is only a small part of the issue ... most sellers
> will get eaten alive by currency fees and there is no easy recourse if
> something goes wrong in an international transaction.  It's one thing
> for me to ship a "care package" to my son in VE2 and entirely more of
> a risk to ship $2000 worth of goods somewhere in a "developing economy"
> - particularly ones that have histories of "postal issues."
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV

From jms_k1sd at verizon.net  Thu Aug 20 13:49:14 2015
From: jms_k1sd at verizon.net (James Setzler)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:49:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2V K3 and N1MM+
Message-ID: <000001d0db70$87dd6d00$97984700$@verizon.net>

Greetings,

 

 

I'd like to hear from anyone who has successfully implemented SO2V using a
K3 (with Sub RX) and N1MM+; especially for FSK RTTY.

 

Off reflector is fine.

 

    73 James K1SD

 

 


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Aug 20 13:57:20 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <EAA2875B-D697-403B-B09C-DCD08EE3D5EB@socal.rr.com>

I think "improvement" is a very subjective term :-)

Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:40, bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com> wrote:
> 
> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was not interested in either radio.
> 
> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
> 
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
> 
> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
> 
> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced to pay 2X.
> 
> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
> 
> -- 
> Frank-K5DKZ
> 
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From Mike at ve3yf.com  Thu Aug 20 14:10:35 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:10:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
Message-ID: <mailman.211.1440094263.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi Arlen:

I am greatly interested in the KPA500. I would get you to ship it to 
Elecraft for me, this way you don't have to fill out any special 
paperwork. Do you have any pictures available of the Amp and the area 
where the scratches are. Also is the KPAK3Aux cable available. Tnx.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Aug 20 14:20:06 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <448481F6-EEB9-41A5-B2CA-DD4A8B20272D@widomaker.com>

First, ever tried to buy a  Brand New just made 2008 automobile or  refrigerator or (you name the product) in 2015?  It's not marketing, it's just business.  The radio is different.  New Main RF board, now 4 layers instead of 2, so should be quieter.  Various "bodges" and mods have been built-in to the PCB (prob replaced by a whole new series of mods).  There is a new one-piece bezel on the display (with an index pointer,: don't ask what for).

Now, what is all this "2X" about.  Is this an indicator of new means 2 times the price of the old one.  That's just not true.  Yes the price is a little higher but the design is almost 8 years newer, and the "NEW" KXV3B has two preamps for 12, 10, and 6 meters that were not there before and it is included in the price (was around $140 I think).  So I don't think the price is all that out of line.

Now if you want the latest, it is available.  But you can save some money by building a kit.  Start simple and add as you find the need and cash.

But, there are some good deals on used K3 radios out there and they are still very good radios.

However if you are considering buying used and upgrading with some of the new modules developed for the K3S, compare the cost.  The used rig you buy may not have the features you want, more money here.  And the new modules cost money as well.  I think you can almost buy the kit K3S for about the same as a K3 plus the mods and you will have to install the mods yourself, when they are available.

I bit the bullet and sold my KX3 system and bought a K3S and kept my K3 for portable use.

I'm glad I did what I did.  I really like the "S". I think you will too.

Sent from my iPad
...bc nr4c


> On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:40 PM, bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com> wrote:
> 
> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was not interested in either radio.
> 
> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
> 
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
> 
> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
> 
> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced to pay 2X.
> 
> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
> 
> -- 
> Frank-K5DKZ
> 
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From philippe at f5iyj.com  Thu Aug 20 14:32:30 2015
From: philippe at f5iyj.com (Philippe Givet)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:32:30 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KX1 from an European OM
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25022.1440092977.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.25022.1440092977.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <55D61D3E.90109@f5iyj.com>

Hi,

Wanted to buy from Europe a used KX1. My preference to a KX1 with 8030 
module and internal ATU included but will study all proposal :)
Please answer outside this distribution list, to my personal mailbox.

Thank you
73,

-- 
Philippe Givet
F5IYJ / NK2F


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Aug 20 14:37:16 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:37:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <448481F6-EEB9-41A5-B2CA-DD4A8B20272D@widomaker.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<448481F6-EEB9-41A5-B2CA-DD4A8B20272D@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <493D5AD8-3BC1-4924-9CE5-5BB3E62E6AB9@wunderwood.org>

Start here to see the new K3S features and which of them can be retrofitted to a K3.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S-FAQ%20rev%20C5%20customer.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 20, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> First, ever tried to buy a  Brand New just made 2008 automobile or  refrigerator or (you name the product) in 2015?  It's not marketing, it's just business.  The radio is different.  New Main RF board, now 4 layers instead of 2, so should be quieter.  Various "bodges" and mods have been built-in to the PCB (prob replaced by a whole new series of mods).  There is a new one-piece bezel on the display (with an index pointer,: don't ask what for).
> 
> Now, what is all this "2X" about.  Is this an indicator of new means 2 times the price of the old one.  That's just not true.  Yes the price is a little higher but the design is almost 8 years newer, and the "NEW" KXV3B has two preamps for 12, 10, and 6 meters that were not there before and it is included in the price (was around $140 I think).  So I don't think the price is all that out of line.
> 
> Now if you want the latest, it is available.  But you can save some money by building a kit.  Start simple and add as you find the need and cash.
> 
> But, there are some good deals on used K3 radios out there and they are still very good radios.
> 
> However if you are considering buying used and upgrading with some of the new modules developed for the K3S, compare the cost.  The used rig you buy may not have the features you want, more money here.  And the new modules cost money as well.  I think you can almost buy the kit K3S for about the same as a K3 plus the mods and you will have to install the mods yourself, when they are available.
> 
> I bit the bullet and sold my KX3 system and bought a K3S and kept my K3 for portable use.
> 
> I'm glad I did what I did.  I really like the "S". I think you will too.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> ...bc nr4c
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:40 PM, bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was not interested in either radio.
>> 
>> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
>> 
>> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
>> 
>> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
>> 
>> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced to pay 2X.
>> 
>> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Frank-K5DKZ
>> 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Thu Aug 20 14:41:15 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:41:15 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I 
was not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no 
longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing 
tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new 
K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra 
expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X 
improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be 
convinced to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X 
improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

-- 
Frank-K5DKZ

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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 20 14:47:24 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:47:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <019901d0db78$a83ea2a0$f8bbe7e0$@carolinaheli.com>

Here's my shopping list for Shelby. The items in yellow are maybe items.
Items that I will get IF I have the extra cash. The P3 is first then KAT500.


Primary use: DX

That brings up questions: 

1.   Since my antennas are resonant and I have an old MFJ tuner and swr
meter around here somewhere; should I consider the subRX instead of the
tuner?

2.   IF I get the tuner should I go with the internal instead? I did
external for the antenna switch but I'll likely use a mast/tower mounted
remote switch. 

Note: I purchased a 400 Hz 8 pole used from the reflector so it's not on the
list.


K3S/100-K  100 W Transceiver, Kit


KFL3A-2.8_2.7sw   2.8 kHz 8-pole upgrade from the standard 2.7 kHz 5-pole
filter (New K3S, KRX3A orders only)


P3-K Panadapter Kit for the K3S, K3 and other rigs


KAT500-K High Power ATU, Kit


SS30DV Compact Switching Power Supply, 14.1V, 25A

 


From k9ztv at socket.net  Thu Aug 20 14:49:46 2015
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <55D6214A.1060807@socket.net>

Dear B.S. . . .

1)  Of course it's a marketing tactic.  Businesses stay solvent 
/because/ of marketing tactics.  What else is new and why be concerned 
about it?

2)  The K2 is still in production because it's an entirely different 
radio requiring building skills rather than assembly skills.  That 
appeals to some hams.

3)  The K3S is an enhanced version of the K3.  Only you, and not the 
reflector, can decide whether it meets your needs and fits your wallet.

4)  How you would quantify "2x" is beyond me.  Two handles instead of one?

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 8/20/2015 1:40 PM, bs usb wrote:
> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I 
> was not interested in either radio.
>
> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
>
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no 
> longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing 
> tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
>
> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new 
> K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the 
> extra expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X 
> improvement.
>
> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be 
> convinced to pay 2X.
>
> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X 
> improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 20 14:52:31 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <55D621EF.1020302@embarqmail.com>

The K2 is still in production, but it is not the same as the K2 started out.
It too went through a major upgrade at SN 3000 - new boards with all the 
prior mods included as standard, and at that time you could no longer 
buy the older K2 from Elecraft anymore.
Take a look at the FAQ for the K3S and you should see a parallel to the 
K2 upgrade at SN 3000, only the "K2" designation was not changed when 
that happened.  With the K3, Elecraft decided to upgrade the model 
number as well as the insides.
And by the way, Elecraft still offers upgrade kits to bring an older K2 
almost up to the electrical equivalent of a new K2 - the "almost" is 
that there are a few minor items that are not practical to upgrade 
(unless you replace the boards too).
The situation with the K3 is similar.  Elecraft offers (or will soon 
offer) upgraded modules that can be added to a K3 to bring it almost up 
to the same as the K3S.  The new synthesizers are already available as 
is the KXV3B, and they are offering kits to upgrade the KBPF3 to the 
KBPF3A level.

Yes, it is a "Marketing Tactic", but instead of having a negative 
connotation, I believe it is a very positive one which says "We will 
provide you the means to upgrade your older transceivers, and we will do 
that as long as possible and as completely as possible".

Some parts for the Elecraft legacy gear (K2, K1, and KX1) are becoming 
difficult to source, but Elecraft has gone to great effort and expense 
to provide suitable substitutes.  I have personally been involved in 
evaluating some of those part changes, such as the exercise needed when 
the blue wide range 1 to 40 pF trimmer capacitors were not longer 
available.  That event "shook up" the entire legacy product line.  I 
have known other companies to respond by simply dropping support and 
parts supplies.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/20/2015 2:40 PM, bs usb wrote:
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no 
> longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing 
> tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 20 14:56:59 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:56:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>

Doug,
   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list. AT
the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty. You
may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
updated.

The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
performance.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

--
Frank-K5DKZ

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From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Thu Aug 20 14:59:38 2015
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <55D60EF1.1090908@subich.com>
References: <55D60EF1.1090908@subich.com>
Message-ID: <55D6239A.2020403@nycap.rr.com>

Over the years I have sold a lot of ham gear on-line. I always 
stipulated lower-48 only and stuck to it. It was easier and more cost 
effective for me (the seller) and was my choice. That last part is very 
important - "was my choice."

I see no reason to drag Arlene over the coals for making that choice.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Aug 20 15:15:51 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 11:15:51 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
Message-ID: <201508201915.t7KJFrJ0009484@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Marco,

I use a LM7805 voltage regulator to provide inhibit voltage to my K3 
(accessory pin-7).  Since I use a sequencer it defeats the inhibit 
voltage to enable transmit by grounding the voltage regulator thru a 
1K current limiting resistor.  But the simple voltage divider concept 
looks fine and may operate faster if you use QSK.

You stated that Station Master provided +13v when inhibit is 
active.  If so the proper setting in the K3 menu should be INH = 
HI.  You are telling the K3 what level it should see when inhibited.

I cannot offer any advice for the SteppIR; I'm using a 30-year old 
Hygain TH3mk4.

73, Ed - KL7UW


Hello,

I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot 
switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham 
Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector. 
So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the 
switches, the PA etc.

According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be 
connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted 
to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage 
on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.

Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in 
the K3's ACC connector ?
I prefer to ask before doing it.

Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this 
signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH. 
Anyone has experience ?

Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does 
Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?

Thanks

Marco, HB9CAT


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:16:48 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Based on feedback - Proposed purchase
In-Reply-To: <019901d0db78$a83ea2a0$f8bbe7e0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <003801d0cc81$5c1c9950$1455cbf0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55BE5831.7000906@socal.rr.com>
	<019901d0db78$a83ea2a0$f8bbe7e0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D627A0.7010706@embarqmail.com>

David Shoaf and I will be manning the Elecraft booth at Shelby - come 
see us and we can assist you with your configuration.
We will ask you questions about your operating style, desires and 
preferences, because those things influence your choice of options.
We will be there for that kind of assistance, and we will have the K3S, 
P3, KPA500, and KAT100 there for you to touch and 'play with the knobs'.

Look for the guys with dark blue Elecraft shirts and hats (unless we 
take the hats off).  This year we will be in the air conditioned building.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/20/2015 2:47 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> Here's my shopping list for Shelby. The items in yellow are maybe items.
> Items that I will get IF I have the extra cash. The P3 is first then KAT500.
>
>
> Primary use: DX
>
>


From turnbull at net1.ie  Thu Aug 20 15:22:28 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:22:28 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>

Jer,
     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
top full stop - no argument.   We were comparing K3 and K3S so the TS59SG
was a good starting point.   Remember the standard K3 does not have dual
watch; I think the TS590SG does so if one does not have the second receiver
there is a disadvantage in the K3.   However, I am a true blue Elecraft fan
and am most pleased to have the K3.   My only intent was to put things into
perspective - $1800 is mucho money to some of our good friends.   To me as
well but I could spring to it if needed.

    I doubt that my K3 will work any DX station which a TS590SG could not
also work.   The differences between K3 and K3S are smaller still.   Then
Elecraft allows us to further narrow the gap with upgrades.   Some features
mean very little to me such as the ability to go below 160M.   Everyone must
make up their own mind but let us not expect a world of difference in
results.

     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:57
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Doug,
   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list. AT
the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty. You
may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
updated.

The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
performance.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

--
Frank-K5DKZ

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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 20 15:31:57 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:31:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <01c601d0db7e$e212f5c0$a638e140$@carolinaheli.com>

Doug you're such a fan boy!!! And I'll be right there with you after Sept
5th!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Turnbull [mailto:turnbull at net1.ie] 
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:22 PM
To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Jer,
     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
top full stop - no argument.   We were comparing K3 and K3S so the TS59SG
was a good starting point.   Remember the standard K3 does not have dual
watch; I think the TS590SG does so if one does not have the second receiver
there is a disadvantage in the K3.   However, I am a true blue Elecraft
fan
and am most pleased to have the K3.   My only intent was to put things
into
perspective - $1800 is mucho money to some of our good friends.   To me as
well but I could spring to it if needed.

    I doubt that my K3 will work any DX station which a TS590SG could not
also work.   The differences between K3 and K3S are smaller still.   Then
Elecraft allows us to further narrow the gap with upgrades.   Some
features
mean very little to me such as the ability to go below 160M.   Everyone
must
make up their own mind but let us not expect a world of difference in
results.

     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:57
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Doug,
   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list.
AT
the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty.
You
may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
updated.

The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
performance.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and
K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch
card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in
my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

--
Frank-K5DKZ

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From lists at subich.com  Thu Aug 20 16:13:59 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>
References: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>
Message-ID: <55D63507.1010103@subich.com>


 > According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be
 > connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted
 > to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage
 > on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.

Measure the current on the SM Inhibit jack.  Early units sourced +12V
across a 2K2 pull-down to inhibit in order to work with some early
Yaesu rigs.   Later units have changed the output to a 4K7 pull-up 
resistor to +12V and an NPN transistor that pulls the +12V to ground
to transmit.  If you see more than 3 mA on the Inhibit line, you have
an early unit.

The K3 Inhibit input is a 220 Ohm resistor to a port on the controller.
The later versions of Station Master should be fine with it (3 mA max
current) but if you have an early Station Master, I'd use a voltage
divider or a series resistor and shunt 5.1V zener diode between the
Station Master and K3.

 > Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this
 > signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
 > Anyone has experience ?

Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the
Inhibit line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).

 > Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does
 > Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?

PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still possible
as is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/20/2015 7:23 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot
> switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham
> Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector.
> So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the
> switches, the PA etc.
>
> According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be
> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted
> to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage
> on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>
> Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in
> the K3's ACC connector ? I prefer to ask before doing it.
>
> Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this
> signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
> Anyone has experience ?
>
> Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does
> Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco, HB9CAT
>
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 20 16:13:50 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:13:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>

One other question I asked. Why do the majority of DXpeditions use Elecraft
K3/S ? Lots of hardcore contesters? 
I'm not saying <brand X> isn't good. I'm just asking a question. It's not
because the gear is cheaper. There are lots of cheaper rigs out there.
Jer




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:22 PM
To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Jer,
     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
top full stop - no argument.   We were comparing K3 and K3S so the TS59SG
was a good starting point.   Remember the standard K3 does not have dual
watch; I think the TS590SG does so if one does not have the second receiver
there is a disadvantage in the K3.   However, I am a true blue Elecraft fan
and am most pleased to have the K3.   My only intent was to put things into
perspective - $1800 is mucho money to some of our good friends.   To me as
well but I could spring to it if needed.

    I doubt that my K3 will work any DX station which a TS590SG could not
also work.   The differences between K3 and K3S are smaller still.   Then
Elecraft allows us to further narrow the gap with upgrades.   Some features
mean very little to me such as the ability to go below 160M.   Everyone must
make up their own mind but let us not expect a world of difference in
results.

     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:57
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Doug,
   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list. AT
the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty. You
may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
updated.

The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
performance.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

--
Frank-K5DKZ

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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 16:22:33 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:22:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>

Simple answer ... they are uequalled in performance!

73

Ken - K0PP

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Aug 20 16:34:37 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
	<01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <A2C6E429-6000-4E37-B979-A9F2C0DFD270@wunderwood.org>

Two things come to mind:

1. They are smaller and lighter than other high-end rigs, so easier to transport.

2. The transmit signals, especially CW, are much cleaner than other rigs, so two operators can transmit on the same band without interfering with each other. For example, CW and phone on 20m. 

These same reasons also make them great field day rigs.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 20, 2015, at 1:13 PM, <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> One other question I asked. Why do the majority of DXpeditions use Elecraft
> K3/S ? Lots of hardcore contesters? 
> I'm not saying <brand X> isn't good. I'm just asking a question. It's not
> because the gear is cheaper. There are lots of cheaper rigs out there.
> Jer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
> Turnbull
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:22 PM
> To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
> 
> Jer,
>     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
> top full stop - no argument.   We were comparing K3 and K3S so the TS59SG
> was a good starting point.   Remember the standard K3 does not have dual
> watch; I think the TS590SG does so if one does not have the second receiver
> there is a disadvantage in the K3.   However, I am a true blue Elecraft fan
> and am most pleased to have the K3.   My only intent was to put things into
> perspective - $1800 is mucho money to some of our good friends.   To me as
> well but I could spring to it if needed.
> 
>    I doubt that my K3 will work any DX station which a TS590SG could not
> also work.   The differences between K3 and K3S are smaller still.   Then
> Elecraft allows us to further narrow the gap with upgrades.   Some features
> mean very little to me such as the ability to go below 160M.   Everyone must
> make up their own mind but let us not expect a world of difference in
> results.
> 
>     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
> company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
> what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.
> 
>               73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
> ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
> Sent: 20 August 2015 18:57
> To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
> 
> Doug,
>   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list. AT
> the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
> upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
> made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
> already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
> latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
> reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty. You
> may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
> only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
> your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
> equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
> version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
> the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
> the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
> used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
> updated.
> 
> The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
> fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
> performance.
> Jer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
> Turnbull
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
> 
> Hi Frank,
>     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
> is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
> smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
> bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
> later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
> more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
> If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
> coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
> you pick up women either for that matter.
> 
>      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
> Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
> K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
> case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
> designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
> like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
> things such as the K3S.
> 
>           73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
> Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
> 
> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
> not interested in either radio.
> 
> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.
> 
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
> available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
> believe the K2 is still in production.
> 
> In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
> I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
> For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
> 
> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
> to pay 2X.
> 
> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
> in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
> 
> --
> Frank-K5DKZ
> 
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Thu Aug 20 16:43:56 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <A2C6E429-6000-4E37-B979-A9F2C0DFD270@wunderwood.org>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
	<01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
	<A2C6E429-6000-4E37-B979-A9F2C0DFD270@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <55D63C0C.8000906@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

To add to the list: if you're standing on Kingman Reef and the tide is 
rising, you probably want a rig that you know well.

I'd bet most who activate rare DXCC locations have K3's at home, for 
many of the reasons stated.

On 8/20/2015 1:34 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> Two things come to mind:
>
> 1. They are smaller and lighter than other high-end rigs, so easier to transport.
>
> 2. The transmit signals, especially CW, are much cleaner than other rigs, so two operators can transmit on the same band without interfering with each other. For example, CW and phone on 20m.


From Mike at ve3yf.com  Thu Aug 20 16:51:50 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:51:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
Message-ID: <mailman.212.1440103934.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I thought I would add my .02 cents worth. I have run into this 
problem several times and never argued the fact with the seller. In 
most cases, I would pass onto the seller that I wanted
it shipped to the factory or service center in the US, this way the 
seller doesn't have any other paperwork to do. Also I have used Fedex 
and done all the paperwork for customs etc and
then scheduled the pickup. I respect the wishes of the seller and no 
sense debating it with him as it is his choice on where he would like 
to ship it. I just try to meet the seller halfway or
better.

I have run into payment problems also a few times, I would prefer 
everyone used Paypal, but that is not the way for everyone. I have 
sent a cashiers cheque a few times and it hasn't worked
out 100% due to bank regulations and procedures in the US. Good old 
Postal Money Orders always works though...


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From k1xx at k1xx.com  Thu Aug 20 16:58:32 2015
From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:58:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D63F78.3080702@k1xx.com>

Yep, good performance.  AND, they are light.  I carry my K3 to the
Caribbean in either my backpack or a Pelican case.

73 charlie, k1xx

On 8/20/2015 4:22 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Simple answer ... they are uequalled in performance!
>
> 73
>
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From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 20 16:58:31 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:58:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>

Free doesn't hurt either !! 

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 1:23 PM
To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions

Simple answer ... they are uequalled in performance!

73

Ken - K0PP
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Aug 20 17:01:17 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:01:17 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
Message-ID: <201508202102.t7KL26rT017946@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Savings made buying a K3 over K3S may not be that much.  Seems that 
used K3 are going for 85-90% of new cost (depending a lot on 
accessories installed and age, condition, etc.).  If you are then 
going to install the upgrades to make it close to a K3S, it might not 
be that much of a savings.  One of the aspects of the K3 that helped 
my purchase in 2010 was resale value.

I'm guessing that Elecraft decided to drop the K3 as the K3S is what 
most will want and production will be much easier with only one model 
to deal with.  K2 was/is an entirely different radio than the K3 and 
was a true kit for those that wanted that challenge.

But if you can find a K3 offered at 50% of the new cost - snap it up 
as you can resell it for 80% and make a nice profit!  I have never 
seen one offered that low.

73, Ed - KL7UW

To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
Message-ID: <55D61F20.9020802 at k5dkz.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I
was not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no
longer available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing
tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new
K3S.  I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra
expense.  For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X
improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be
convinced to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X
improvement in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
  <k5dkz>


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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     dubususa at gmail.com


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Aug 20 17:29:04 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:29:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
Message-ID: <201508202129.t7KLT4Ah009351@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Right, Don!

If someone does not want to sell something to Alaska - its simple - I 
will not buy it (because they will not sell it to me - even when I 
pay the shipping). I still get ignorant questions like do we use US 
currency and do they need a passport to visit (AK became the 49th 
state of the US in 1959...duh).  I do not live in an igloo and rub 
noses with my wife - either!

Regarding sales to other countries that is something the individual 
will have to decide.  I sell assembled DEMI kits world-wide (if the 
buyer can pay for the shipping).  95% of my transactions are via 
PayPal that automatically converts money into US funds (probably a 
charge but its buried in their std fee). I have had a couple hams 
from EU desire to pay with electronic transfer of funds but that is 
charged a monetary conversion fee.  My CU does not do wire transfers 
so that required me to open a bank account in a bank offering this 
service (which cost me a opening fee).  I did one sale that way 
(FT-847 for $1000 to Greece), but the buyer paid for all fees 
including International Priority Mail.  It took a month to arrive - 
but he was happy with the purchase.

It is quite expensive to ship to UK/EU from the US.  DEMI 
transverters ship in the US Priority Mail for $11.80 (medium 
flat-rate box) and I add $9 for $500 insurance.  To EU the same 
box+insurance cost $76.50.  Don't even ask about UPS/Fedex.  So I 
understand reluctance by UK/EU buyers to pay the shipping, but they 
face paying 17% Value Tax in EU-Union for products originating there.

I use on-line USPS shipping which charges my PayPal and I get to 
print the prepaid label for my package.  So all I have to do is drop 
off the package at the PO (no waiting).  Customs forms are generated 
at the same time I fill out the postage and shipping info.  In some 
areas in the US the Postal Service will pick up packages from your home/office.

I have 37-foot of 1-5/8 inch Heliax hardline that a ham in NJ 
wants.  It will coil into a 4-foot diameter and weighs 26-lb but that 
is too large to mail.  Trucking from AK to NJ will be expensive.  May 
not justify the cost of shipping.  So it does depend on certain 
factors if it makes sense to buy/sell at a distance (even inside the lower-48).

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
Message-ID: <55D60776.40900 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I also "don't get it".  Especially those who specify "Continental USA"
or "Lower 48".
Priority Mail to Hawaii or Alaska or even Puerto Rico is just like that
in the rest of the US.

Yes, International shipping is not difficult at all, just fill in the
customs declaration.

73,
Don W3FPR



73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From turnbull at net1.ie  Thu Aug 20 17:34:52 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:34:52 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
	<01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <89739526003E4063BB1FF02E794F6D40@DOUG1>

Jer,
     Besides the points already mentioned the K3 will handle very strong
nearby signals better than most other radios.   This really becomes
important when everyone in the world is calling you over a few KHz in the
case of CW.   The point about clean output greatly helps in that the
interference from other K3 radios on the same site is reduced.   The problem
is not so severe for most of us even in contests.

      There are many advantages to the K3 which do not need to be
reiterated.   For someone with limited budget the ability to start with a
basic radio and add modules over time is also a big help.   This last point
has nothing to do with DXpeditions.   Time to close.

                          73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: 20 August 2015 20:14
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'bs usb';
elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

One other question I asked. Why do the majority of DXpeditions use Elecraft
K3/S ? Lots of hardcore contesters? 
I'm not saying <brand X> isn't good. I'm just asking a question. It's not
because the gear is cheaper. There are lots of cheaper rigs out there.
Jer




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 3:22 PM
To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Jer,
     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
top full stop - no argument.   We were comparing K3 and K3S so the TS59SG
was a good starting point.   Remember the standard K3 does not have dual
watch; I think the TS590SG does so if one does not have the second receiver
there is a disadvantage in the K3.   However, I am a true blue Elecraft fan
and am most pleased to have the K3.   My only intent was to put things into
perspective - $1800 is mucho money to some of our good friends.   To me as
well but I could spring to it if needed.

    I doubt that my K3 will work any DX station which a TS590SG could not
also work.   The differences between K3 and K3S are smaller still.   Then
Elecraft allows us to further narrow the gap with upgrades.   Some features
mean very little to me such as the ability to go below 160M.   Everyone must
make up their own mind but let us not expect a world of difference in
results.

     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:57
To: 'Doug Turnbull'; 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Doug,
   I just went through this process. The Kenwood TS590SG was on my list. AT
the end of the day the deciding factors came down to support and
upgradability. The Elecraft support is fanatical and as developments are
made we have the option to update our radios (for the most part). If you
already own a K3 you can progressively update the features you need to the
latest technology. If you don't own one you can buy the latest version which
reflects all updates and developments to date. You also get a warranty. You
may not need the latest developments OR may be able to get a K3 and update
only the things you need less expensive than a new K3S. I would ask how much
your time is worth? The cost difference between the Kenwood and a likewise
equipped K3S was around $1800 or so. When Kenwood comes out with a new
version the value of the TS590SG will drop like a hot rock. If you look at
the value of a used K3 VS what they were selling for prior to the release of
the K3S has the value dropped by the same margin? From what I've seen the
used K3 rigs are still fetching a premium AND they can be progressively
updated.

The Kenwood is probably just fine for some folks. Personally I want
fanatical support and upgradability in addition to the bleeding edge of
performance.
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:41 PM
To: 'bs usb'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

Hi Frank,
     I suspect the performance difference between the Kenwood TS590SG and K3
is at most 10%.   The performance difference between the K3S and K3 is
smaller still and you can upgrade the K3.   Perhaps you do not care about
bands lower than 160M.    So purchase a K3 and maybe add the new synch card
later.   If you want the best of the best then purchase a K3S and pay much
more.   The used price of the K3 is no doubt dropping so it is good value.
If you can afford the Porsche then go for it but it will not get you to the
coffee shop any sooner unless you break the law.   At 71 it will not help
you pick up women either for that matter.

      Please do not take this as being critical in anyway.    It is not.
Some day I may purchase a K3S though it is hard to see why when I have two
K3 fully loaded and KX3.   The K3 has the new synthesizer boards - two in my
case because of the second receiver.   Elecraft has been very good in
designing the upgrades so that they can be used in the K3.    Yes I would
like the Porsche but will never spend the money on one!   There are better
things such as the K3S.

           73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb
Sent: 20 August 2015 18:41
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3

I know there was a discussion on this subject.  I ignored it because I was
not interested in either radio.

Recent events have me interested in either a K3S or K3.

I know the K3 will have to be a used radio because new ones are no longer
available.  I am not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing tactic.  I
believe the K2 is still in production.

In any case a used K3 can be bought for significantly less than a new K3S.
I am not convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth the extra expense.
For instance, I don't need to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.

Of course if the performance does go to 2X over a K3, I might be convinced
to pay 2X.

So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  Do we have a 2X improvement
in the KS3 over the K3 or is it more like 0.1X?

--
Frank-K5DKZ

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 20 18:05:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>
	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
	<01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D64F13.6010709@embarqmail.com>

Jer,

DXpeditions use K3/Ss for several reasons.
One being the weight - shipping to far off places costs money.
Second, the transmit phase noise is less than other transceivers. That 
allows them to operate CW and SSB on the same bands using stations in 
close physical proximity to each other without interference is possible.

Experiences of many of you at Field Day sites with a variety of 
transceivers can give you examples of mutual interference between SSB 
and CW stations on the same band.  With the K3, those problems just do 
not exist.

Add to that the dynamic range of the K3 and the superb filtering 
provided by the roofing filters and the DSP filtering, and you should 
have your answer - the K3 performs well in crowded band conditions, and 
that includes picking a specific station out of a pileup.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/20/2015 4:13 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> One other question I asked. Why do the majority of DXpeditions use Elecraft
> K3/S ? Lots of hardcore contesters?
> I'm not saying <brand X> isn't good. I'm just asking a question. It's not
> because the gear is cheaper. There are lots of cheaper rigs out there.
> Jer
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Aug 20 18:05:38 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <89739526003E4063BB1FF02E794F6D40@DOUG1>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>	<B19A77CEF4F34249B138B2F7D96C0C01@DOUG1>	<01b801d0db79$ff9401c0$febc0540$@carolinaheli.com>
	<611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354@DOUG1>
	<01db01d0db84$bbac4660$3304d320$@carolinaheli.com>
	<89739526003E4063BB1FF02E794F6D40@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <B62F672B-D263-46A9-8509-C2F6A0688528@elecraft.com>

The K3S and K3 also draw a lot less current than your average high-performance desktop radio, typically 900-1200 mA in RX mode. This can greatly extend operating time for lightweight DXpedition, RV, or Field Day stations that are battery powered. 

A few other features come into play during field operation:

- four one-touch CW/DATA/voice message memory switches with auto-repeat (M1-M4)

- up to 8 programmable front panel switch macros for doing things like "VFO A->B, VFO B up 2 kHz, turn on split" (etc.) with a single switch press; these can be customized for different kinds of operation

- built in clock/calendar, voltage, and current display (on VFO B)

- built in data modes for casual operation on PSK31 or RTTY without a computer (every Field Day, when I get tired of working CW or SSB, I'll prowl the 20-meter data sub-bands and work stations with the keyer paddle and message memories; you can also use the P3/SVGA with a keyboard)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:34 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie> wrote:

> Jer,
>     Besides the points already mentioned the K3 will handle very strong
> nearby signals better than most other radios....

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Thu Aug 20 18:17:32 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:17:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
In-Reply-To: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D61F20.9020802@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <55D651FC.2020808@socal.rr.com>

Frank,

IMO the primary incremental improvement of the K3S 
over the K3 is the new Synth Board.  And that can 
be retrofitted into the K3, as I did with mine 
some months ago.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/20/15 11:40 AM, bs usb wrote:
> I know there was a discussion on this subject.  
> I ignored it because I was not interested in 
> either radio.
>
> Recent events have me interested in either a K3S 
> or K3.
>
> I know the K3 will have to be a used radio 
> because new ones are no longer available.  I am 
> not sure why that is.  Sounds like a marketing 
> tactic.  I believe the K2 is still in production.
>
> In any case a used K3 can be bought for 
> significantly less than a new K3S.  I am not 
> convinced that the K3S 'improvements' are worth 
> the extra expense.  For instance, I don't need 
> to be paying 2X for a 0.1X improvement.
>
> Of course if the performance does go to 2X over 
> a K3, I might be convinced to pay 2X.
>
> So what was the conclusion of the discussion?  
> Do we have a 2X improvement in the KS3 over the 
> K3 or is it more like 0.1X?
>


From kf7gc at arrl.net  Thu Aug 20 18:24:01 2015
From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:24:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
Message-ID: <1687311161.2802322.1440109441380.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Nice K2-100 ?for sale with a lot of stuff.All mods updated, and ready to go.Call me at 978-710-9231 anytime.

Have had a lot of interest but so sale yet.?73! Tomy KF7GC


From edauer at law.du.edu  Thu Aug 20 19:23:01 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:23:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] And one other thing about the K line . . .
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25036.1440104549.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D1FBBA70.11CF0%edauer@law.du.edu>

While I can?t contribute anything new to the question of new K3S vs used
K3, the dilemma which started this thread, I would note one important
advantage to being in the Elecraft club in addition to those already
mentioned.  That is this reflector.  It is extraordinary as a source of
knowledge, help, and advice, much in the finest traditions of amateur
radio.  I knew of nothing like it in my pre-Elecraft (Yaesu and many
others) days.  Thanks and a tip of the hat to everyone who participates.

Ted, KN1CBR


>Message: 14
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:22:28 -0000
>From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
>To: <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>, "'bs usb'" <bsusb at k5dkz.com>,
>	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
>Message-ID: <611A636A17C5436B80BACEE9AFA0F354 at DOUG1>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>Jer,
>     I agree.   If one were comparing companies then Elecraft comes out on
>top full stop - no argument.

>. . . 

>
>     To twist slightly what you said; "I am a fanatical supporter of a
>company which gives fanatical support."    We are on the same track.   Oh
>what a back slappers club we are.   Cheers and enjoy your Elecraft.
>
>               73 Doug EI2CN
>


From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 19:33:53 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping Overseas (Was: Re:  FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500,
	more...)
In-Reply-To: <201508202129.t7KLT4Ah009351@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508202129.t7KLT4Ah009351@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <73E3634A-E0A1-4CBC-A346-ECEE37E35481@gmail.com>

I don?t ship overseas for one reason - I got screwed.

I have no idea to what countries I can and cannot mail amateur radio equipment. Unfortunately, I mailed to a country with whom we are not allowed to mail such items. The receiving country did not accept it but they did damage it extensively. I got it back and the USPS would not honor the insurance (although they gave me a refund of the insurance) I bought because I mailed to a country with whom we cannot mail amateur radio equipment (I hope you noticed the fully circular monologue there - that?s a small amount of what I endured). They accepted it at our local PO but would not honor the insurance. All of this took about six months.

You could argue that it?s my fault, but in my job, I am paid to inform others of the potential risks of their actions. I do take responsibility for my actions. I don?t claim fault with my actions though. I hope you understand the difference.

For *that* reason, I *refuse* to send overseas. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (and the months of paperwork) and the loss of equipment to prove it.

I still use the USPS because they?re about the least expensive way to send items (UPS has almost doubled their prices over the past few months). I don?t use FedEx much because you have to look them in the face and say, ?Pick that up and take it with you.?

As for DHL? They have:

1. When no one?s around, left packages lodged in the barbed-wire around our office.
2. When no one?s around, thrown items over the fence.
3. When no one?s around, left items between the gate and gate post that either fall or get crushed.

I thought DHL was out of business but just within the past week, they delivered one of my daughters? textbooks to the house after 9:30PM (we go to bed earlier than that) in the rain. Luckily, the seller had wrapped the book in plastic a couple of times so we took no damage.

I would?t ship an anvil with DHL afraid they?d find that magic rubber mallet and break it!

Back to your regularly scheduled Elecraft information.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

From n1ix at n1ix.com  Thu Aug 20 20:14:30 2015
From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping ouitside the US etc
In-Reply-To: <290BFA6BA8EE41B28FCEF025B4FFE859@KeithPC>
References: <290BFA6BA8EE41B28FCEF025B4FFE859@KeithPC>
Message-ID: <009a01d0dba6$5ac0e730$1042b590$@n1ix.com>


I have sold and shipped lots of radio equipment all over the world. Why
limit yourself to a few thousand buyers in the US only ? If you use Paypal
and calculate the shipping costs beforehand there is never any problem.

Dave N1IX


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Keith
Hutt
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 1:20 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping ouitside the US etc

A while ago apiece of equipment  was offered for sale on here as usual it
was to US only. Anyway i offered to pay in full immediately and collect in 4
weeks time when i was in the US visiting relatives, i got quite an abusive
reply asking what i did not understand about US shipping only.  Oh and i
offered to pay the full amount via PayPal+fees so the asking price was what
he got without paying fees.

Keith G0TSH
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Thu Aug 20 20:31:12 2015
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 20:31:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping ouitside the US etc
In-Reply-To: <290BFA6BA8EE41B28FCEF025B4FFE859@KeithPC>
References: <290BFA6BA8EE41B28FCEF025B4FFE859@KeithPC>
Message-ID: <55D67150.7010201@ve3syb.ca>

On 15-08-20 01:20 PM, Keith Hutt wrote:
> A while ago apiece of equipment  was offered for sale on here as usual it
> was to US only. Anyway i offered to pay in full immediately and collect
> in 4 weeks time when i was in the US visiting relatives, i got quite an
> abusive reply asking what i did not understand about US shipping only.

It is unfortunate that some people have problems with reading comprehension 
and didn't understand you were not asking for it to be shipped outside the 
US. Even if they didn't understand that, an abusive reply is uncalled for.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From kt5d at charter.net  Thu Aug 20 22:18:05 2015
From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s or K3
Message-ID: <A703BD9C-1CAA-4E62-84FF-CC137E87D38A@charter.net>

I think we can quantify 2X improvements. We could take it literally as in twice as sensitive on receive. But that is meaningless because it doesn't add value to any radio when your noise floor is at -110 dbm. 

Perhaps we of the SDR era should place more value on features rather than enhancements. I can do 99% of what I do with my K3 with my Collins KWM-380. The big (2X) difference between the two is features. I would say that the K3 easily has twice the features of the Collins so yeah, in that respect, the K3 is 2X better. Does it make the K3 more capable than the Collins? No, of course not, if I only consider that each transmits a signal that can be heard and can hear a signal above that -110 dbm noise floor. 

So, K3 or K3s? I am keeping my K3. And the Collins. 







Sent from my iPad

From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 21 00:17:38 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:17:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Stuck in Firmware Load Problem
Message-ID: <1949881.760294.1440130658683.JavaMail.root@vms170027.mailsrvcs.net>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Aug 21 00:59:45 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:59:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
Message-ID: <55D6B041.7000906@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,8/20/2015 1:58 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> Free doesn't hurt either !!

While Elecraft has made some nice donations/loans of gear, last I 
looked, ICOM gave more freebies than Elecraft. But the experienced 
DXpeditioners started turning them down because the K3s blew them out of 
the water for phase noise and cleanliness of TX signals. This has been 
true with several trips I'm aware of, and the guys brought their own K3s 
when they couldn't get support from Elecraft.

In addition to the performance advantages already noted, the RX in the 
K3 is far more bulletproof than in most other radios, and the K3s are 
both smaller and weigh less.

73, Jim K9YC

From W2APF at myfairpoint.net  Fri Aug 21 01:30:37 2015
From: W2APF at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:30:37 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help
Message-ID: <002f01d0dbd2$8739c670$95ad5350$@myfairpoint.net>

I am in the Timor Sea on board National Geographic ship Orion.  Using
C6APF/MM on board and VK6/W2APF when on land in Kimberly of Western
Australia.

Yesterday after making two QSO's into Japan on 17M while on land, I got a
"HI CUR" message on KX3.  I thought it might be heat and broke down.  Just
set up on shipboard 

and got the same message: "HI CUR", three beeps and shut down.  I had
internal rechargables and was using a Lipo cell for power.  I got the same
message 

with and without the Lipo and with and without the rechargables.  I did a
quick check inside and can see no visible shorts.  The radio was cool today
having

been in air conditioning just prior to set up.  I get the same message with
and without antenna connected, and with or without key attached.

 

Any thoughts?  Still have ten days to go and no back up.

 

Thanks and 73,

 

Thaire  W2APF


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 21 01:49:48 2015
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help
In-Reply-To: <002f01d0dbd2$8739c670$95ad5350$@myfairpoint.net>
References: <002f01d0dbd2$8739c670$95ad5350$@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <697D0F65-B22C-4F5B-8771-DFA916AAA7FD@elecraft.com>

Hi Thaire,

Is the message occurring in receive mode?

If so, try plugging in headphones. This disables the speaker amplifier, which in theory could be a source of high current. Turn on the radio and immediately set AF GAIN to zero.

If that allows the radio to stay on longer, tap DISP and rotate B to get to the voltage, current, and temperature displays. Write down the values, turn off the radio, and email the values to me directly. 

If the current is just on the edge of what is allowed in RX mode for some reason, you could try turning off some things, e.g.:

   MENU:RX ISO -> OFF
   MENU:RX I/Q -> OFF
   MENU:BKLIGHT -> OFF
   PREAMP OFF
   HF BAND (2 m or 4 m draws more current)

If this doesn't get current down to a usable level, open up the radio and try re-seating the flex circuit connectors at both ends.

I'll wait up to hear from you. I have a few other things you can try based on your results above.

73,

Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 PM, "Thaire Bryant" <W2APF at myfairpoint.net> wrote:

> I am in the Timor Sea on board National Geographic ship Orion.  Using
> C6APF/MM on board and VK6/W2APF when on land in Kimberly of Western
> Australia.
> 
> Yesterday after making two QSO's into Japan on 17M while on land, I got a
> "HI CUR" message on KX3.  I thought it might be heat and broke down.  Just
> set up on shipboard 
> 
> and got the same message: "HI CUR", three beeps and shut down.  I had
> internal rechargables and was using a Lipo cell for power.  I got the same
> message 
> 
> with and without the Lipo and with and without the rechargables.  I did a
> quick check inside and can see no visible shorts.  The radio was cool today
> having
> 
> been in air conditioning just prior to set up.  I get the same message with
> and without antenna connected, and with or without key attached.
> 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?  Still have ten days to go and no back up.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> 
> 
> Thaire  W2APF




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Aug 21 03:19:28 2015
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:19:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help
In-Reply-To: <697D0F65-B22C-4F5B-8771-DFA916AAA7FD@elecraft.com>
References: <002f01d0dbd2$8739c670$95ad5350$@myfairpoint.net>
	<697D0F65-B22C-4F5B-8771-DFA916AAA7FD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <12926F15-8CE7-4F55-98D5-D4FD53F8161B@wunderwood.org>

If it is in transmit and you are running 12W, back off to 10W or 8W.

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Thaire,
> 
> Is the message occurring in receive mode?
> 
> If so, try plugging in headphones. This disables the speaker amplifier, which in theory could be a source of high current. Turn on the radio and immediately set AF GAIN to zero.
> 
> If that allows the radio to stay on longer, tap DISP and rotate B to get to the voltage, current, and temperature displays. Write down the values, turn off the radio, and email the values to me directly. 
> 
> If the current is just on the edge of what is allowed in RX mode for some reason, you could try turning off some things, e.g.:
> 
>   MENU:RX ISO -> OFF
>   MENU:RX I/Q -> OFF
>   MENU:BKLIGHT -> OFF
>   PREAMP OFF
>   HF BAND (2 m or 4 m draws more current)
> 
> If this doesn't get current down to a usable level, open up the radio and try re-seating the flex circuit connectors at both ends.
> 
> I'll wait up to hear from you. I have a few other things you can try based on your results above.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:30 PM, "Thaire Bryant" <W2APF at myfairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
>> I am in the Timor Sea on board National Geographic ship Orion.  Using
>> C6APF/MM on board and VK6/W2APF when on land in Kimberly of Western
>> Australia.
>> 
>> Yesterday after making two QSO's into Japan on 17M while on land, I got a
>> "HI CUR" message on KX3.  I thought it might be heat and broke down.  Just
>> set up on shipboard 
>> 
>> and got the same message: "HI CUR", three beeps and shut down.  I had
>> internal rechargables and was using a Lipo cell for power.  I got the same
>> message 
>> 
>> with and without the Lipo and with and without the rechargables.  I did a
>> quick check inside and can see no visible shorts.  The radio was cool today
>> having
>> 
>> been in air conditioning just prior to set up.  I get the same message with
>> and without antenna connected, and with or without key attached.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any thoughts?  Still have ten days to go and no back up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks and 73,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thaire  W2APF
> 
> 
> 
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From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 21 03:37:11 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 02:37:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU LD
Message-ID: <16230464.755656.1440142632011.JavaMail.root@vznit170080.mailsrvcs.net>

I am sending this message again, as it seems my first message never made it to the board. I was trying to load the new Firmware into my K3. Well for some reason we had a power blip during a storm and now my K3 is stuck in MCU LD. Right now the screen in dark when power is applied and MCU LD is on the screen. The Red TX light is flashing and after a period of time it will then go to the Delta F light which will flash yellow. I cannot connect to my K3 via my computer because I'm sure it's because it is stuck in the MCU LD error. How does one reset their K3. I read about the EE Init where I Held in the Shift/Lo button while pressing the Power button and nothing  Plus to get the K3 out of this state I need to shut off the power supply. Every button is totally useless. Perhaps I need to call the people at Elecraft once I get home from work this afternoon. Hopefully someone on the board will have a solution or someone from elecraft will see this message and help! Thanks! Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 05:09:50 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 12:09:50 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <16230464.755656.1440142632011.JavaMail.root@vznit170080.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <16230464.755656.1440142632011.JavaMail.root@vznit170080.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55D6EADE.1010008@gmail.com>

There's a procedure described in the K3 Utility Help menu under 
'troubleshooting' called Forcing the K3 into "Firmware Load Required" 
Mode. Follow this procedure.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


On 21 Aug 2015 10:37, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> I am sending this message again, as it seems my first message never
> made it to the board. I was trying to load the new Firmware into my
> K3. Well for some reason we had a power blip during a storm and now
> my K3 is stuck in MCU LD. Right now the screen in dark when power is
> applied and MCU LD is on the screen. The Red TX light is flashing and
> after a period of time it will then go to the Delta F light which
> will flash yellow. I cannot connect to my K3 via my computer because
> I'm sure it's because it is stuck in the MCU LD error. How does one
> reset their K3. I read about the EE Init where I Held in the Shift/Lo
> button while pressing the Power button and nothing  Plus to get the
> K3 out of this state I need to shut off the power supply. Every
> button is totally useless. Perhaps I need to call the people at
> Elecraft once I get home from work this afternoon. Hopefully someone
> on the board will have a solution or someone from elecraft will see
> this message and help! Thanks! Mark Griff in, KB3Z

From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 07:50:50 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Schematics
Message-ID: <003c01d0dc07$a1465fd0$e3d31f70$@carolinaheli.com>

When might the K3S schematics be available or are the K3 schematics the
same?
Thanks in advance.
Jer


From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 21 08:04:02 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 05:04:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <16230464.755656.1440142632011.JavaMail.root@vznit170080.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <16230464.755656.1440142632011.JavaMail.root@vznit170080.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <A9AC534E-5232-4D03-9A10-6DF78B3C635C@elecraft.com>

There is a recovery procedure in K3 Utility Help.  See Troubleshooting, MCU Load.  

73 de Dick, K6KR



> On Aug 21, 2015, at 00:37, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> 
> I am sending this message again, as it seems my first message never made it to the board. I was trying to load the new Firmware into my K3. Well for some reason we had a power blip during a storm and now my K3 is stuck in MCU LD. Right now the screen in dark when power is applied and MCU LD is on the screen. The Red TX light is flashing and after a period of time it will then go to the Delta F light which will flash yellow. I cannot connect to my K3 via my computer because I'm sure it's because it is stuck in the MCU LD error. How does one reset their K3. I read about the EE Init where I Held in the Shift/Lo button while pressing the Power button and nothing  Plus to get the K3 out of this state I need to shut off the power supply. Every button is totally useless. Perhaps I need to call the people at Elecraft once I get home from work this afternoon. Hopefully someone on the board will have a solution or someone from elecraft will see this message and help! Thanks! Mark Griff
> in, KB3Z
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 21 08:38:51 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:38:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
Message-ID: <E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>

The DXpedition members usually purchase the rigs after the DXpedition.

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Free doesn't hurt either !! 
> 
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
> Kopp
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 1:23 PM
> To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
> 
> Simple answer ... they are uequalled in performance!
> 
> 73
> 
> Ken - K0PP
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From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Fri Aug 21 09:41:07 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:41:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S or K3
Message-ID: <55D72A73.1040904@k5dkz.com>

I recently posted a poorly crafted question on the subject.  Since then 
I have come to realize that there is no definitive answer.  Too many 
possible configurations.

However, I have learned a lot.

Apparently the biggest improvement comes from the new synthesizer and 
the K3 can also be upgraded to be almost a K3S.  So asking which is 
better from a performance standpoint does not make much sense.

I have not actually done the arithmetic but I am willing to bet there is 
not much cost differential between a K3S and a fully upgraded K3.

I have also discovered that the currently available K2 has undergone 
some significant upgrading as well.  I am beginning to think that a new 
K2 is what would suit me best.


-- 
Frank-K5DKZ


From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 21 08:43:24 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:43:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping Overseas (Was: Re:  FS: K3/100, P3, KPA500,
	more...)
In-Reply-To: <73E3634A-E0A1-4CBC-A346-ECEE37E35481@gmail.com>
References: <201508202129.t7KLT4Ah009351@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
	<73E3634A-E0A1-4CBC-A346-ECEE37E35481@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51CC2545-E437-4E5D-9550-A117521C4692@elecraft.com>

Folks - We're exceeding the list posting limit for OT posts. Lets close the thread now in the interest of relieving list email overload for others.

Eric
List Moderator
elecraft.com
_..._


From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Fri Aug 21 09:53:45 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 07:53:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>

Now I understand the 'Free doesn't hurt either post'

Maybe I need to look into that.  How many free radios does a DXpedition get?

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> The DXpedition members usually purchase the rigs after the DXpedition.
>
> 73,
>
> Eric
> elecraft.com
> _..._
>
>
>
>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Richard W. Solomon <w1ksz at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Free doesn't hurt either !!
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
>> Kopp
>> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 1:23 PM
>> To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
>>
>> Simple answer ... they are uequalled in performance!
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 09:27:25 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:27:25 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <20317484.783545.1440159165171.JavaMail.root@vznit170182.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20317484.783545.1440159165171.JavaMail.root@vznit170182.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <46D13CCF-7255-4778-837D-9ADF4C485336@gmail.com>

You should either get the usb to serial cable that you have working, get another one, or use a real serial port if the computer has one. The computer needs to be connected directly to the P3 with no intervening devices when you load firmware.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:12 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> 
> Vic,
> The Digi-Keyer II is connected to the computer via USB. And then there is a cable connected between the Digi-Keyer II and the P3. Then from the P3 to the K3. I think it is a com port issue. Perhaps I should uninstall the interface program and reinstall it again. I have a USB to Serial Port Male cable, but windows 10 told me that it didn't have a driver for it. I will have to try this once I get home from work. Thanks! Mark Griffin, KB3Z 
>  
>  
> On 08/21/15, Vic Rosenthal<k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi Mark, 
> 
> For firmware loading you should connect the K3 (or P3 if you have one) directly to the computer, not via the Digi Keyer or any similar device.
> 
> Vic K2VCO/4X6GP
> Sent from my phone
> 
>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:39 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Vic,
>> Nice to hear from Israel. I haven't visited your country since the late 90's. I read about the forcing of the Firmware on page 45 of the manual. My problem is that with my computer keeps polling for a connection with my K3. Either I have to purchase a direct cable from my PC to the K3 or make some changes with my Digi Keyer. I have been running the connection between the Digi Keyer II and my K3 on Com Port 6. But it keeps searching different speeds on Com Port 6 and cannot connect. I'm sure once I solve that issue I will be able to force load the new firmware. Computer are just so much fun!!!  HA HA. Thanks again! Mark Griffin, KB3Z 
>>  
>>  
>> On 08/21/15, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO<k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> There's a procedure described in the K3 Utility Help menu under 
>> 'troubleshooting' called Forcing the K3 into "Firmware Load Required" 
>> Mode. Follow this procedure.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 Aug 2015 10:37, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
>> > I am sending this message again, as it seems my first message never
>> > made it to the board. I was trying to load the new Firmware into my
>> > K3. Well for some reason we had a power blip during a storm and now
>> > my K3 is stuck in MCU LD. Right now the screen in dark when power is
>> > applied and MCU LD is on the screen. The Red TX light is flashing and
>> > after a period of time it will then go to the Delta F light which
>> > will flash yellow. I cannot connect to my K3 via my computer because
>> > I'm sure it's because it is stuck in the MCU LD error. How does one
>> > reset their K3. I read about the EE Init where I Held in the Shift/Lo
>> > button while pressing the Power button and nothing Plus to get the
>> > K3 out of this state I need to shut off the power supply. Every
>> > button is totally useless. Perhaps I need to call the people at
>> > Elecraft once I get home from work this afternoon. Hopefully someone
>> > on the board will have a solution or someone from elecraft will see
>> > this message and help! Thanks! Mark Griff in, KB3Z

From lists at subich.com  Fri Aug 21 09:48:59 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:48:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU LD
In-Reply-To: <46D13CCF-7255-4778-837D-9ADF4C485336@gmail.com>
References: <20317484.783545.1440159165171.JavaMail.root@vznit170182.mailsrvcs.net>
	<46D13CCF-7255-4778-837D-9ADF4C485336@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D72C4B.8080505@subich.com>



 >> On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:12 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
 >>
 >> Vic, The Digi-Keyer II is connected to the computer via USB. And
 >> then there is a cable connected between the Digi-Keyer II and the
 >> P3. Then from the P3 to the K3.


You *CAN NOT* do a firmware upload via any microHAM "keyer" interface.
The K3 utility will not work with microHAM Router because it forces a
reboot of the transceiver which in turn cycles power to the interface.
Every microHAM Users Manual includes a very explicit warning about
doing firmware uploads of any transceiver using the microHAM interface.

Get a USB to serial adapter or use a plain serial port for the firmware
uploads.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/21/2015 9:27 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> You should either get the usb to serial cable that you have working,
> get another one, or use a real serial port if the computer has one.
> The computer needs to be connected directly to the P3 with no
> intervening devices when you load firmware.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:12 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> Vic, The Digi-Keyer II is connected to the computer via USB. And
>> then there is a cable connected between the Digi-Keyer II and the
>> P3. Then from the P3 to the K3. I think it is a com port issue.
>> Perhaps I should uninstall the interface program and reinstall it
>> again. I have a USB to Serial Port Male cable, but windows 10 told
>> me that it didn't have a driver for it. I will have to try this
>> once I get home from work. Thanks! Mark Griffin, KB3Z
>>
>>
>> On 08/21/15, Vic Rosenthal<k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> For firmware loading you should connect the K3 (or P3 if you have
>> one) directly to the computer, not via the Digi Keyer or any
>> similar device.
>>
>> Vic K2VCO/4X6GP Sent from my phone
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:39 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Vic, Nice to hear from Israel. I haven't visited your country
>>> since the late 90's. I read about the forcing of the Firmware on
>>> page 45 of the manual. My problem is that with my computer keeps
>>> polling for a connection with my K3. Either I have to purchase a
>>> direct cable from my PC to the K3 or make some changes with my
>>> Digi Keyer. I have been running the connection between the Digi
>>> Keyer II and my K3 on Com Port 6. But it keeps searching
>>> different speeds on Com Port 6 and cannot connect. I'm sure once
>>> I solve that issue I will be able to force load the new firmware.
>>> Computer are just so much fun!!!  HA HA. Thanks again! Mark
>>> Griffin, KB3Z
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/21/15, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO<k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There's a procedure described in the K3 Utility Help menu under
>>> 'troubleshooting' called Forcing the K3 into "Firmware Load
>>> Required" Mode. Follow this procedure.
>>>
>>> 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2015 10:37, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
>>>> I am sending this message again, as it seems my first message
>>>> never made it to the board. I was trying to load the new
>>>> Firmware into my K3. Well for some reason we had a power blip
>>>> during a storm and now my K3 is stuck in MCU LD. Right now the
>>>> screen in dark when power is applied and MCU LD is on the
>>>> screen. The Red TX light is flashing and after a period of time
>>>> it will then go to the Delta F light which will flash yellow. I
>>>> cannot connect to my K3 via my computer because I'm sure it's
>>>> because it is stuck in the MCU LD error. How does one reset
>>>> their K3. I read about the EE Init where I Held in the
>>>> Shift/Lo button while pressing the Power button and nothing
>>>> Plus to get the K3 out of this state I need to shut off the
>>>> power supply. Every button is totally useless. Perhaps I need
>>>> to call the people at Elecraft once I get home from work this
>>>> afternoon. Hopefully someone on the board will have a solution
>>>> or someone from elecraft will see this message and help!
>>>> Thanks! Mark Griff in, KB3Z
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 09:50:17 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <006001d0dc18$511ceb80$f356c280$@carolinaheli.com>

The illuminating facts are that the K3/S is selected because multiple radios
operating in a close area don't interfere where other brands apparently do.


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 09:54:06 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:54:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>

The illuminating facts are that the K3/S is selected because multiple radios
operating in a close area don't interfere where other brands apparently do.


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 10:53:57 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:53:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
	<006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>

PVRC contest club members have known this very useful fact for quite a
few years now. Our 3A North Carolina field day group (N4C this year)
goes to 100% K3 on HF bands for field day so that we can have both CW
and SSB going on the same band. We never hear the other TX on the
band. Not even a little keyed hiss. Just plain NOTHING heard from the
other TX on the band. We do take precaution to minimize coupling
between two antennas on the same band. Don't want to burn anything up.

M/M, M/2, M/S experience in many contests also return like results.

Light, portable, relatively minimal power use, extremely remearkably
clean TX signal, everyone now knows how to use K3's and is familiar
with the front panel.  There's always enough K3's available, including
a spare or two just in case. What's not to like.

Not conjecture. Not KoolAid. Heading toward a decade of experiential
proof from pedal to the metal contesting. Stainless steel plain
indisputable facts.

We're now waiting to see just how close we can get two 3A syn K3's,
K3S, side by side on CW on the same band. That would be the typical
run and S/P two operator & K3 complement per band in major multi TX
setups. CQWWDX contests this fall will tell the story.

This is where the improvements are not at all theoretical and have
direct bearing on successful operations. Maybe doesn't apply to the
ham who only uses the radio to talk to Uncle Elmer on 75m at 10 pm on
75m SSB. Crush it to the wall WFO contest operators are another story.
Like NASCAR drivers doing things to tires Aunt Matilda would never do
with her Ford Falcon.

Big difference is that I can't afford NASCAR grade cars, but I CAN afford a K3.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:54 AM,  <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> The illuminating facts are that the K3/S is selected because multiple radios
> operating in a close area don't interfere where other brands apparently do.

From arlenfletcher at mac.com  Fri Aug 21 11:02:14 2015
From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
In-Reply-To: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
References: <1F3EA06F-7032-4EC5-BB5C-7A89C3CF7ACD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2AA078DA-6F59-4C77-8F8C-B33DD1839748@mac.com>

The KPA500, ZN5 Key, and the P3 have all been sold pending funds.


> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Arlen Fletcher <arlenfletcher at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx) as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only please! All gear is in proper working order and is from a smoke-free and animal-free home. The KPA500 has had one previous owner, and the AL-80B was an ?open Box? purchase from DX Engineering. All the other equipment was purchased new and is being sold by the original owner. Photos are on my QRZ page (AA7F). I?ll pay for standard surface shipping, you pay the difference if you want expedited shipping. Payment accepted via cashier?s check only. 
> 
> Equipment details follow:
> 
> Elecraft K3/100 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents,  $2800
> 
> Includes:
> 
> 	? KPA3 100W PA Module
> 	? KAT3 ATU Module
> 	? KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, & Xverter Interface
> 	? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz, 5-pole filter
> 	? KFL3A-400 400Hz, 8-pole filter
> 	? KRX3 2nd Rcvr
> 		? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz 5-pole filter for KRX3
> 		? KFL3A-400 8-pole filter for KRX3
> 	? Manuals included
> 
> 
> Elecraft P3 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, small scratch on the top surface of the front panel, no dents, $500
> 
> Elecraft KPA500 - purchased used within the last 2 months (minor cosmetic scratches on rear of top panel from previous owner) $1700
> 
> 
> 
> Non-Elecraft gear for sale:
> 
> Ameritron AL80B amplifier - ?Open Box? purchase from DX Engineering in 2014. The W8JI TOF module (http://www.w8ji.com/TOF1.htm) is installed in this amp.  $850
> 
> Palstar HF-Auto antenna tuner - (S/N 231xx) purchased new from DX Engineering in Aug 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $1200
> 
> LP100A Digital Vector Wattmeter (S/N 040xx) w/ standard coupler - purchased new from Telepost in Sept 2014, Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $350
> 
> N3ZN model ZN5 Iambic Key, brass version, like new! (S/N 129) $275
> 
> 73,
> 
> Arlen - AA7F
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From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 11:06:19 2015
From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:06:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
Message-ID: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>

What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
for 17-22A tx @100W.

I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.

tnx in advance

-- 
de AB1VL
NAQCC #6799

ab1vl.com

From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 21 11:07:24 2015
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
Message-ID: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>

Good morning to the group, my P3TXMON just arrived the other day and today it was installed and it works and looks great! I do have a question....the power reading is Peak-Peak is there a way to switch to RMS? If not is it possible to make a request to have this looked at by the Elecraft folks and possibly added to an update?
Mike Weir
VE3WDM
 		 	   		  

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 11:12:33 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:12:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007901d0dc23$cf2f1600$6d8d4200$@carolinaheli.com>

If you google around you'll find the Astron VS-35M is known to have issues
with voltage sag under load.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charles Yahrling
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
for 17-22A tx @100W.

I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.

tnx in advance

--
de AB1VL
NAQCC #6799

ab1vl.com
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 11:22:50 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:22:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d0dc25$3e728e60$bb57ab20$@windstream.net>

I just quickly tested my K3 s/n 8895 at 100w output into a 52 ohm dummy
load. Key up = 13.5 vDC;   Key down = 21.6 vDC. My power cable between my K3
and the Astron 75 amp power supply is homemade #8 twin wire about 8' long.

73,
Tom - W4BQf


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charles Yahrling
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
for 17-22A tx @100W.

I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.

tnx in advance

--
de AB1VL
NAQCC #6799

ab1vl.com
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From hb9brj at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 11:23:17 2015
From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:23:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1440170597912-7606507.post@n2.nabble.com>

Same PS here, but a RigRunner 4005 in between PS and K3.

RX                   13.5V @ 1.26A
TX (100W CW)  12.0V @ 17A

This yields a resistance of 95mOhms which I consider ok.

73, Markus HB9BRJ



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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 11:25:21 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:25:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <007e01d0dc25$995835a0$cc08a0e0$@carolinaheli.com>

Mike, to get RMS just multiple by .707

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Weir
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:07 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?

Good morning to the group, my P3TXMON just arrived the other day and today
it was installed and it works and looks great! I do have a question....the
power reading is Peak-Peak is there a way to switch to RMS? If not is it
possible to make a request to have this looked at by the Elecraft folks and
possibly added to an update?
Mike Weir
VE3WDM
 		 	   		  
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From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 21 11:29:51 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard Solomon)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <007901d0dc23$cf2f1600$6d8d4200$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<007901d0dc23$cf2f1600$6d8d4200$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D743EF.2040203@earthlink.net>

It also depends on the wire size and length of run.
If you get a supply with Sense Terminals you can eliminate that problem.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 8/21/2015 8:12 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> If you google around you'll find the Astron VS-35M is known to have issues
> with voltage sag under load.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Charles Yahrling
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
>
> What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
> using factory fused cables? No sub installed.
>
> PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
> drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
> for 17-22A tx @100W.
>
> I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
> establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.
>
> tnx in advance
>
> --
> de AB1VL
> NAQCC #6799
>
> ab1vl.com
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From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 11:32:48 2015
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:32:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D744A0.2000309@gmail.com>

Charles, at 100w into a dummy loadI see a .8 volt drop from 13.8 vdc on 
a switching supply, and 17.5 amps. I think it may be time for me to 
clean some contacts, too.  The fuse holders are always good suspects.

73, W4FMD

On 8/21/2015 11:06 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote:
> What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
> using factory fused cables? No sub installed.
>
> PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
> drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
> for 17-22A tx @100W.
>
> I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
> establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.
>
> tnx in advance
>


From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 11:33:59 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:33:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <000b01d0dc25$3e728e60$bb57ab20$@windstream.net>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<000b01d0dc25$3e728e60$bb57ab20$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <001001d0dc26$cd0cf1f0$6726d5d0$@windstream.net>

ERROR!!  

I think it would be closer to correct if my "Key down" statement would have
read "Key down = 12.6 vDC"!! Sorry for the error!

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Chester Alderman
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:23 AM
To: 'Charles Yahrling'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

I just quickly tested my K3 s/n 8895 at 100w output into a 52 ohm dummy
load. Key up = 13.5 vDC;   Key down = 21.6 vDC. My power cable between my K3
and the Astron 75 amp power supply is homemade #8 twin wire about 8' long.

73,
Tom - W4BQf


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charles Yahrling
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
for 17-22A tx @100W.

I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.

tnx in advance

--
de AB1VL
NAQCC #6799

ab1vl.com
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From breedenwb at cableone.net  Fri Aug 21 11:39:49 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:39:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S OR K3
Message-ID: <55D74645.6090701@cableone.net>


I can't say enough good things about the built in data modes.  I don't 
think "casual" gives them enough credit for their usefulness while 
chasing DX.  I had 114 DXCC entities confirmed in digital mode (all 
RTTY) when I acquired my first K3 in the fall of 2011.  I'm now listed 
at 215 on the digital mode DXCC list and every one I have added was 
worked from the front panel of my K3 in RTTY mode with no interface or 
software.  I have my call sign (x3) built into the M3 button and a 
generic report built into the M4 button, and the K3 is always ready to 
go in RTTY mode when I am on the air.  That readiness made all the 
difference when I worked 9N1AA in Nepal simplex on 20 meter RTTY for an 
all time new one in 2013.  In another minute the frequency was hopeless 
with callers, but my contact was already in the log.  No super station 
here either, worked him from South Mississippi with 500 watts to a 
ground mounted vertical while listening on a wire.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


*Wayne Burdick*n6kr at 
elecraft.com<mailto:elecraft%40mailman.qth.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BElecraft%5D%20K3S%20OR%20K3&In-Reply-To=%3CB62F672B-D263-46A9-8509-C2F6A0688528%40elecraft.com%3E>
/Thu Aug 20 18:05:38 EDT 2015/
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The K3S and K3 also draw a lot less current than your average high-performance desktop radio, typically 900-1200 mA in RX mode. This can greatly extend operating time for lightweight DXpedition, RV, or Field Day stations that are battery powered.

A few other features come into play during field operation:

- four one-touch CW/DATA/voice message memory switches with auto-repeat (M1-M4)

- up to 8 programmable front panel switch macros for doing things like "VFO A->B, VFO B up 2 kHz, turn on split" (etc.) with a single switch press; these can be customized for different kinds of operation

- built in clock/calendar, voltage, and current display (on VFO B)

- built in data modes for casual operation on PSK31 or RTTY without a computer (every Field Day, when I get tired of working CW or SSB, I'll prowl the 20-meter data sub-bands and work stations with the keyer paddle and message memories; you can also use the P3/SVGA with a keyboard)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 11:43:55 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
References: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001101d0dc28$30539150$90fab3f0$@windstream.net>

Mke....

I am not absolutely sure about this, but on page 29 of the Rev. E, July
14,2015 'High Performance Panadapter' manual, in the second column it states
"The power output bar graph shows both the current power with the moving bar
and the peak power achieved with a narrow bar." The insinuation is the
'moving bar' indicates RMS power and then states that the single narrow bar
indicates 'peak' power?  Hopefully Elecraft will soon clarify this for us.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Weir
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:07 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?

Good morning to the group, my P3TXMON just arrived the other day and today
it was installed and it works and looks great! I do have a question....the
power reading is Peak-Peak is there a way to switch to RMS? If not is it
possible to make a request to have this looked at by the Elecraft folks and
possibly added to an update?
Mike Weir
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Aug 21 11:56:49 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8/21/2015 11:06 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote:
> What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at
> 100W, using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

I don't know about "factory fused cables" since my factory cable does
not have fuses.  However, using the stock cable and an Astron RS-35A,
My K3 reads 13.8V in receive, 12.9V in transmit with 17.9A for 105 W
output into a dummy load on 20 meters.

I would be very uncomfortable with an indicated 2V drop under load
as that indicates more than 0.1 Ohm of resistance in connectors,
fuses and cable.

What voltage does the RS-35M front panel meter show under load?  If
it also sags, your problem could be pass transistor or internal
connections (e.g. loose screws on the filter capacitor). If it is
steady, your problem is in the cable/fuses/etc.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/21/2015 11:06 AM, Charles Yahrling wrote:
> What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
> using factory fused cables? No sub installed.
>
> PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
> drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
> for 17-22A tx @100W.
>
> I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
> establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.
>
> tnx in advance
>

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 21 11:57:30 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <007e01d0dc25$995835a0$cc08a0e0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
	<007e01d0dc25$995835a0$cc08a0e0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d0dc2a$25987530$70c95f90$@earthlink.net>

Jerry 0.707 works if you have a pure sinewave i.e. CW. However modulated
signals, i.e. SSB, are not sinewaves. I think he is looking for a true RMS
reading.
73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Moore
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 8:25 AM
To: 'Mike Weir'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?

Mike, to get RMS just multiple by .707

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Weir
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:07 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?

Good morning to the group, my P3TXMON just arrived the other day and today
it was installed and it works and looks great! I do have a question....the
power reading is Peak-Peak is there a way to switch to RMS? If not is it
possible to make a request to have this looked at by the Elecraft folks and
possibly added to an update?
Mike Weir
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From wes at triconet.org  Fri Aug 21 12:12:23 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] And one other thing about the K line . . .
In-Reply-To: <D1FBBA70.11CF0%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D1FBBA70.11CF0%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <55D74DE7.2070406@triconet.org>

Better still...it doesn't use the abysmal Yahoo Groups.

On 8/20/2015 4:23 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> While I can?t contribute anything new to the question of new K3S vs used
> K3, the dilemma which started this thread, I would note one important
> advantage to being in the Elecraft club in addition to those already
> mentioned.  That is this reflector.  It is extraordinary as a source of
> knowledge, help, and advice, much in the finest traditions of amateur
> radio.  I knew of nothing like it in my pre-Elecraft (Yaesu and many
> others) days.  Thanks and a tip of the hat to everyone who participates.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>


From alan at elecraft.com  Fri Aug 21 12:52:53 2015
From: alan at elecraft.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:52:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <001101d0dc28$30539150$90fab3f0$@windstream.net>
References: <COL131-W53BD9EF9FAC9572183A86A91650@phx.gbl>
	<001101d0dc28$30539150$90fab3f0$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <55D75765.4050901@elecraft.com>

The narrow bar is PEP (peak envelope power) with a long time constant. 
The solid bar is effectively also PEP, but with a shorter time constant 
so you can see what the modulation/keying is doing.

By the way, in the radio industry, the term "peak" is used in more than 
one sense, which can be confusing.  PEP is the peak of the transmitted 
power, which is computed from the RMS value of the RF voltage, not the 
peak value.

For example, on an oscilloscope display you see the peaks of the sine 
waves, which are sqrt(2) = 1.414 times the RMS voltage.  To use an 
oscilloscope to measure RF power (PEP or average) you have to divide the 
peak voltage by sqrt(2) before using the formula P = E^2 / R.

Alan N1AL


On 08/21/2015 08:43 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:
> Mke....
>
> I am not absolutely sure about this, but on page 29 of the Rev. E, July
> 14,2015 'High Performance Panadapter' manual, in the second column it states
> "The power output bar graph shows both the current power with the moving bar
> and the peak power achieved with a narrow bar." The insinuation is the
> 'moving bar' indicates RMS power and then states that the single narrow bar
> indicates 'peak' power?  Hopefully Elecraft will soon clarify this for us.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF


From dave at nk7z.net  Fri Aug 21 13:03:11 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 10:03:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
	<006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1440176591.27913.16.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

Guy is correct, I have a ham living about 700 feet from me, and when he
opens up with his KW, my old Icom used to die...  The K3 does not even
let me know he is on if he is beyond 10 to 20 KHz.  Only way I can tell
is a HUGE spike in the P3 at his operating frequency.

I did a very informal set of tests located at


http://nk7z.net/wiki/elecraft-k3-macros/elecraft-k3-xlr-to-radio/elecraft-k3-new-synthesizer/


using the P3, and looking at the new synths, as compared to the old
synths.  The screen shots show how very tight the K3 really is when
placed next to a strong signal...




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On Fri, 2015-08-21 at 10:53 -0400, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> PVRC contest club members have known this very useful fact for quite a
> few years now. Our 3A North Carolina field day group (N4C this year)
> goes to 100% K3 on HF bands for field day so that we can have both CW
> and SSB going on the same band. We never hear the other TX on the
> band. Not even a little keyed hiss. Just plain NOTHING heard from the
> other TX on the band. We do take precaution to minimize coupling
> between two antennas on the same band. Don't want to burn anything up.
> 
> M/M, M/2, M/S experience in many contests also return like results.
> 
> Light, portable, relatively minimal power use, extremely remearkably
> clean TX signal, everyone now knows how to use K3's and is familiar
> with the front panel.  There's always enough K3's available, including
> a spare or two just in case. What's not to like.
> 
> Not conjecture. Not KoolAid. Heading toward a decade of experiential
> proof from pedal to the metal contesting. Stainless steel plain
> indisputable facts.
> 
> We're now waiting to see just how close we can get two 3A syn K3's,
> K3S, side by side on CW on the same band. That would be the typical
> run and S/P two operator & K3 complement per band in major multi TX
> setups. CQWWDX contests this fall will tell the story.
> 
> This is where the improvements are not at all theoretical and have
> direct bearing on successful operations. Maybe doesn't apply to the
> ham who only uses the radio to talk to Uncle Elmer on 75m at 10 pm on
> 75m SSB. Crush it to the wall WFO contest operators are another story.
> Like NASCAR drivers doing things to tires Aunt Matilda would never do
> with her Ford Falcon.
> 
> Big difference is that I can't afford NASCAR grade cars, but I CAN afford a K3.
> 
> 73, Guy K2AV
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:54 AM,  <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> > The illuminating facts are that the K3/S is selected because multiple radios
> > operating in a close area don't interfere where other brands apparently do.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Aug 21 14:05:51 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:05:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
	<006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D7687F.6070403@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,8/21/2015 7:53 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> VRC contest club members have known this very useful fact for quite a
> few years now. Our 3A North Carolina field day group (N4C this year)
> goes to 100% K3 on HF bands for field day so that we can have both CW
> and SSB going on the same band.

Yup. And you're not the only ones. My old club back in Chicago, running 
3A as K9OR, regularly places in the top of their class. They've been all 
K3 for quite a few years.

I'm part of a team that sets up 3-4 stations in a rare county for the 
California QSO Party. We carefully locate antennas to minimize 
interstation interference, with a goal of CW and SSB on the same bands. 
We've ALWAYS run K3s with 600W power amps into tribanders separated by 
about 250 ft, and 80/40 dipoles with about 400 ft separation and arrayed 
colinearly. This year (Oct 3-4) will be our first year with new synth 
boards. When we have enough of them, the amps are all KPA500s. One year 
I brought a used ACOM 1010 I had acquired thinking that being a tube 
amp, it might be cleaner. Turns out it's got a bit more IMD than the P3.

73, Jim K9YC

From w7lkg at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 14:52:24 2015
From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:52:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <1440170597912-7606507.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1440170597912-7606507.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <001801d0dc42$8557cb20$90076160$@net>

PS here is Astron RS-35M, connected directly to K3/100 #4497. Xmit into 50W
dummy load
RX	13.9V @ 1.15A
TX (100W CW)	12.6V @ 19.62A 
Readings from K3 VFO "B" display of "V" and "A"
73, Rick W7LKG

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of hb9brj
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 08:23
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

Same PS here, but a RigRunner 4005 in between PS and K3.

RX                   13.5V @ 1.26A
TX (100W CW)  12.0V @ 17A

This yields a resistance of 95mOhms which I consider ok.

73, Markus HB9BRJ



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From breedenwb at cableone.net  Fri Aug 21 15:34:38 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 14:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
Message-ID: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>


It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always 
based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the 
voltage across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS 
value to correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  
There is no such thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when expressing 
RF power in watts.

Peak envelope power (PEP) has nothing to do with the difference between 
the peak and average voltage of a sine wave.  It is the measure of the 
power of an RF signal at the modulation peak, averaged over one RF 
cycle.  The power measurement within that one RF cycle is still based on 
RMS values.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 15:51:08 2015
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+Krf1SmsdsS+aj5Ld5+BkD5PHqAjpJeqHQ3ACokTuqwSg@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

That's absolutely right.  There's so much confusion about such things and
you have explained it very well.  RMS can only ever be used as a value of
current or voltage, never power.

73 Stephen, G4SJP

On 21 August 2015 at 20:34, Bill Breeden <breedenwb at cableone.net> wrote:

>
> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always
> based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the voltage
> across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS value to
> correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  There is no such
> thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when expressing RF power in watts.
>
> Peak envelope power (PEP) has nothing to do with the difference between
> the peak and average voltage of a sine wave.  It is the measure of the
> power of an RF signal at the modulation peak, averaged over one RF cycle.
> The power measurement within that one RF cycle is still based on RMS values.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill - NA5DX
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Aug 21 15:53:10 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 12:53:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
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On Fri,8/21/2015 11:52 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote:
> RX	13.9V @ 1.15A
> TX (100W CW)	12.6V @ 19.62A
> Readings from K3 VFO "B" display of "V" and "A"

The difference includes the IR drop in the red/black power cable between 
the power supply and the K3. Some quick arithmetic. #10 AWG is 1 
milliOhm per foot. A 6 ft cable would be 12 m Ohms (two conductors), so 
.216V drop at 18A. With #12, it's .35 volts, .54 volts. Subtract the 
numbers for your cable (factoring in the length) from the difference, 
and that's the sag in power supply (and, of course, resistance internal 
to the K3).

A better way to measure the sag in the PSU is with a digital voltmeter 
connected across it's output terminals.

73, Jim K9YC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 21 16:17:16 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55D7874C.9030009@embarqmail.com>

Bill's information is entirely correct.  Thank you for that clear 
explanation.

Now back to what I think was the intent of the original question - even 
if the terms were incorrect.
Hams commonly use two different considerations for power - PEP - Peak 
Envelope Power - that is the peak power that we (at least here in the 
US) need to use when considering our power limits, and that is the 
specified power output for most if not all amateur transceivers and 
amplifiers.

The other term is Average Power, and we can use that for a measure of 
the amount of compression used in SSB transmissions - more compression 
will bring the Average Power up closer to the PEP, but too much will 
create muffled speech (listen during a SSB contest for the 
unintelligible signals using too much compression).

As Alan Bloom indicated, the narrow bar indicates the PEP value, while 
the other bar will be more of an indication of Average Power, although 
your eyes may have to interpret the movement to determine the real 
average because that indicator will be constantly changing with SSB 
speech patterns, but for CW and data modes, the PEP and average should 
be equal during keydown intervals.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/21/2015 3:34 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>
> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always 
> based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the 
> voltage across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS 
> value to correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  
> There is no such thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when 
> expressing RF power in watts.
>
> Peak envelope power (PEP) has nothing to do with the difference 
> between the peak and average voltage of a sine wave.  It is the 
> measure of the power of an RF signal at the modulation peak, averaged 
> over one RF cycle.  The power measurement within that one RF cycle is 
> still based on RMS values.
>
> 73,
>
> Bill - NA5DX


From ai6ii at comcast.net  Fri Aug 21 16:21:41 2015
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:21:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
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'Problem loading page' browser message. I cant get to it. 73 ..mike  AI6II



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From arlenfletcher at mac.com  Fri Aug 21 16:22:02 2015
From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 13:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100, P3, KPA500, more...
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The KPA500, ZN5 Key, P3, AL80B, and LP-100A have all been sold - pending payment.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Arlen Fletcher <arlenfletcher at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m selling my K3/100 (S/N 81xx), P3 (S/N 31xx)  and KPA500 (S/N 6xx) as well as some other misc equipment.  Continental U.S. buyers only please! All gear is in proper working order and is from a smoke-free and animal-free home. The KPA500 has had one previous owner, and the AL-80B was an ?open Box? purchase from DX Engineering. All the other equipment was purchased new and is being sold by the original owner. Photos are on my QRZ page (AA7F). I?ll pay for standard surface shipping, you pay the difference if you want expedited shipping. Payment accepted via cashier?s check only. 
>> 
>> Equipment details follow:
>> 
>> Elecraft K3/100 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents,  $2800
>> 
>> Includes:
>> 
>> 	? KPA3 100W PA Module
>> 	? KAT3 ATU Module
>> 	? KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, & Xverter Interface
>> 	? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz, 5-pole filter
>> 	? KFL3A-400 400Hz, 8-pole filter
>> 	? KRX3 2nd Rcvr
>> 		? KFL3A-2.7k 2700Hz 5-pole filter for KRX3
>> 		? KFL3A-400 8-pole filter for KRX3
>> 	? Manuals included
>> 
>> 
>> Elecraft P3 - purchased new in March 2014 - Excellent condition, small scratch on the top surface of the front panel, no dents, $500
>> 
>> Elecraft KPA500 - purchased used within the last 2 months (minor cosmetic scratches on rear of top panel from previous owner) $1700
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Non-Elecraft gear for sale:
>> 
>> Ameritron AL80B amplifier - ?Open Box? purchase from DX Engineering in 2014. The W8JI TOF module (http://www.w8ji.com/TOF1.htm) is installed in this amp.  $850
>> 
>> Palstar HF-Auto antenna tuner - (S/N 231xx) purchased new from DX Engineering in Aug 2014 - Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $1200
>> 
>> LP100A Digital Vector Wattmeter (S/N 040xx) w/ standard coupler - purchased new from Telepost in Sept 2014, Excellent condition, no scratches, no dents, $350
>> 
>> N3ZN model ZN5 Iambic Key, brass version, like new! (S/N 129) $275
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Arlen - AA7F
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From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Fri Aug 21 16:45:18 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
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You might try again.  Seems to be working fine ? 

Grant NQ5T


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:21 PM, mike <ai6ii at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 'Problem loading page' browser message. I cant get to it. 73 ..mike  AI6II
> 
> 
> 



From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Fri Aug 21 17:43:09 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:43:09 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
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Thanks a lot for your reply Joe, my Station Masters are pretty new
(2014/2015) so I shall be safe to connect Inhibit directly.

> Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the Inhibit
line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).
Then why do I measure 12V in "rest state", when no switching occurs ? Isn't
it the other way around ? (I can't test it right now)

> PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still possible as
is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.
PA PTT is currently given by an MK2R+ so SM PTT doesn't apply; but if SM
would set INH during tuning the K3 wouldn?t TX

Are we both the only ones using Station Masters with Elecraft ? Curious to
gather experiences

Marco HB9CAT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Subich, W4TV
Sent: gioved?, 20. agosto 2015 22:14
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?


 > According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be  >
connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted  > to
plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage  > on the
Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.

Measure the current on the SM Inhibit jack.  Early units sourced +12V across
a 2K2 pull-down to inhibit in order to work with some early
Yaesu rigs.   Later units have changed the output to a 4K7 pull-up 
resistor to +12V and an NPN transistor that pulls the +12V to ground to
transmit.  If you see more than 3 mA on the Inhibit line, you have an early
unit.

The K3 Inhibit input is a 220 Ohm resistor to a port on the controller.
The later versions of Station Master should be fine with it (3 mA max
current) but if you have an early Station Master, I'd use a voltage divider
or a series resistor and shunt 5.1V zener diode between the Station Master
and K3.

 > Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this  >
signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
 > Anyone has experience ?

Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the Inhibit
line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).

 > Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does  >
Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?

PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still possible as
is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/20/2015 7:23 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot 
> switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham 
> Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector.
> So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the 
> switches, the PA etc.
>
> According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be 
> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted to 
> plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage on 
> the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>
> Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in 
> the K3's ACC connector ? I prefer to ask before doing it.
>
> Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this 
> signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
> Anyone has experience ?
>
> Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does 
> Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marco, HB9CAT
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 17:58:31 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
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And you should make sure you get the correct beta firmware because it is   'P3/SVGA Beta 1.54/1.25 now available' and not what is in the heading of your email.

Tom - W4BQF



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 4:45 PM
To: mike
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available

You might try again.  Seems to be working fine ? 

Grant NQ5T


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 3:21 PM, mike <ai6ii at comcast.net> wrote:
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> 'Problem loading page' browser message. I cant get to it. 73 ..mike  
> AI6II
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 18:19:25 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:19:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] kxpa100 serial #0480 stolen
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Doesn't appear that this was posted on the Elecraft reflector......

73
Ken - K0PP
On Aug 21, 2015 4:14 PM, "poltergiestsso at yahoo.com [KX3]" <
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>
>
> I thought I would put this out in case someone finds a used one for sale.
> It was stolen in Miami Florida.
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From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 21 19:01:18 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:01:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!
Message-ID: <27818000.750336.1440198078683.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>

Good Evening,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I am having a problem with updating the K3 Firmware. I have a black screen with MCU LD on it. The TX light is flashing red. My usb to serial port cable is a prolific cable. My computer does not have any issues with this cable. But for some reason the K3 Utility is having a problem where it says attempting to contact K3 and it goes through the various speed settings. I have disconnected the power from my K3 and followed the Forcing a Firmware Download to the letter T but if my computer can't communicate with the K3, all is lost. Right now I have the cable attached to my P3 and the P3 cable is attached to the K3. I have called Elecraft, and waiting for Dave to call me back. Hopefully he will call me. I do not understand why the PC will not communicate with my K3. Why Elecraft doesn't have a button to push to just reset the radio is beyond me. If I sound frustrated, I am! Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From fcady at ece.montana.edu  Fri Aug 21 19:17:48 2015
From: fcady at ece.montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!
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Try connecting directly to the K3 and not to the P3.
Fred KE7X

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of pastormg2 at verizon.net
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 5:01 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!

Good Evening,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I am having a problem with updating the K3 Firmware. I have a black screen with MCU LD on it. The TX light is flashing red. My usb to serial port cable is a prolific cable. My computer does not have any issues with this cable. But for some reason the K3 Utility is having a problem where it says attempting to contact K3 and it goes through the various speed settings. I have disconnected the power from my K3 and followed the Forcing a Firmware Download to the letter T but if my computer can't communicate with the K3, all is lost. Right now I have the cable attached to my P3 and the P3 cable is attached to the K3. I have called Elecraft, and waiting for Dave to call me back. Hopefully he will call me. I do not understand why the PC will not communicate with my K3. Why Elecraft doesn't have a button to push to just reset the radio is beyond me. If I sound frustrated, I am! Mark Griffin, KB3Z ______________________________________________________________
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 19:20:10 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:20:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!
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In doing a forcing a firmware download, you might want to *remove* the
P3 from the circuit. You need to get the circuit as basic as possible.
Connect the PC directly to the K3. Once everything is straightened
out, go back to .

Some folks who have recently converted to Windows 10 have troubles
with drivers for older devices. Sometimes the PC is ultimately at
fault.

Also, USB & serial connections are zonked by purely MECHANICAL
problems, connection loose, pin bent, pin broken off, wire not
actually soldered to pin etc, etc, etc, etc,  ad nauseum. The number
of possible mechanical screw ups on connecting cords is huge.

Another killer can be a conflicting assignment to a com port that
depends on what peripherals are in operation in the PC.

Also, you can have a corrupted download from Elecraft.

Make sure you have the latest version of the Elecraft utility and that
you are saving it to the place referenced by the icon on the desktop.
I've had all kinds of troubles about that since going to W10. It has
changed some defaults. I'm gradually getting all of those changed back
to my W7 settings. There are other ways to get that messed up besides
W10.

73 and good luck, Guy K2AV





On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:01 PM,  <pastormg2 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Good Evening,
> This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I am having a problem with updating the K3 Firmware. I have a black screen with MCU LD on it. The TX light is flashing red. My usb to serial port cable is a prolific cable. My computer does not have any issues with this cable. But for some reason the K3 Utility is having a problem where it says attempting to contact K3 and it goes through the various speed settings. I have disconnected the power from my K3 and followed the Forcing a Firmware Download to the letter T but if my computer can't communicate with the K3, all is lost. Right now I have the cable attached to my P3 and the P3 cable is attached to the K3. I have called Elecraft, and waiting for Dave to call me back. Hopefully he will call me. I do not understand why the PC will not communicate with my K3. Why Elecraft doesn't have a button to push to just reset the radio is beyond me. If I sound frustrated, I am! Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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From ab7mp at arrl.net  Fri Aug 21 19:34:36 2015
From: ab7mp at arrl.net (Mark AB7MP)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:34:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!
In-Reply-To: <27818000.750336.1440198078683.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <27818000.750336.1440198078683.JavaMail.root@vznit170176.mailsrvcs.net>
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(I don't think I sent this from the right account the 1st time - forgive the 
duplicate if it happens.)

If Elecraft is consistent from K3 to K3S, you might check the book for 
Parameter Initialization (reset to default).
Page 72 in K3S manual.

Your mileage may vary...

73

Mark, ab7mp

-----Original Message----- 
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 4:01 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Woes Continue!!!

Good Evening,
This is Mark Griffin, KB3Z. I am having a problem with updating the K3 
Firmware. I have a black screen with MCU LD on it. The TX light is flashing 
red. My usb to serial port cable is a prolific cable. My computer does not 
have any issues with this cable. But for some reason the K3 Utility is 
having a problem where it says attempting to contact K3 and it goes through 
the various speed settings. I have disconnected the power from my K3 and 
followed the Forcing a Firmware Download to the letter T but if my computer 
can't communicate with the K3, all is lost. Right now I have the cable 
attached to my P3 and the P3 cable is attached to the K3. I have called 
Elecraft, and waiting for Dave to call me back. Hopefully he will call me. I 
do not understand why the PC will not communicate with my K3. Why Elecraft 
doesn't have a button to push to just reset the radio is beyond me. If I 
sound frustrated, I am! Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Aug 21 19:37:18 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
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> Then why do I measure 12V in "rest state", when no switching occurs?
> Isn't it the other way around ? (I can't test it right now)

No, High is the at rest state - Inhibit line is pulled low *after*
PTT - the time delay is set in the PTT & Sequencer settings.

> PA PTT is currently given by an MK2R+ so SM PTT doesn't apply; but if
> SM would set INH during tuning the K3 wouldn?t TX

PTT and PA PTT in MK2R+ are coupled to PTT in SM via iLINK.  SM KEYOUT
(on PA Port) and MK2R+ PA PTT are the same (logical) signal.  PA PTT
and KEYOUT are inhibited (blocked) if SteppIR is tuning independent of
any use of the inhibit output.  Since Icom and Kenwood transceivers do
not support inhibit, the amplifier must be disabled when tuning.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/21/2015 5:43 PM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your reply Joe, my Station Masters are pretty new
> (2014/2015) so I shall be safe to connect Inhibit directly.
>
>> Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the Inhibit
> line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).
> Then why do I measure 12V in "rest state", when no switching occurs ? Isn't
> it the other way around ? (I can't test it right now)
>
>> PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still possible as
> is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.
> PA PTT is currently given by an MK2R+ so SM PTT doesn't apply; but if SM
> would set INH during tuning the K3 wouldn?t TX
>
> Are we both the only ones using Station Masters with Elecraft ? Curious to
> gather experiences
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Subich, W4TV
> Sent: gioved?, 20. agosto 2015 22:14
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
>
>
>   > According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be  >
> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted  > to
> plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage  > on the
> Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>
> Measure the current on the SM Inhibit jack.  Early units sourced +12V across
> a 2K2 pull-down to inhibit in order to work with some early
> Yaesu rigs.   Later units have changed the output to a 4K7 pull-up
> resistor to +12V and an NPN transistor that pulls the +12V to ground to
> transmit.  If you see more than 3 mA on the Inhibit line, you have an early
> unit.
>
> The K3 Inhibit input is a 220 Ohm resistor to a port on the controller.
> The later versions of Station Master should be fine with it (3 mA max
> current) but if you have an early Station Master, I'd use a voltage divider
> or a series resistor and shunt 5.1V zener diode between the Station Master
> and K3.
>
>   > Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this  >
> signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
>   > Anyone has experience ?
>
> Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the Inhibit
> line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).
>
>   > Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does  >
> Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>
> PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still possible as
> is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/20/2015 7:23 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot
>> switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham
>> Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector.
>> So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the
>> switches, the PA etc.
>>
>> According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be
>> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted to
>> plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage on
>> the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>>
>> Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in
>> the K3's ACC connector ? I prefer to ask before doing it.
>>
>> Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this
>> signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
>> Anyone has experience ?
>>
>> Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does
>> Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marco, HB9CAT
>>
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From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Fri Aug 21 19:46:20 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:46:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Problem Solved!!!!
Message-ID: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>

Well, it seems that the prolific cables do work with windows 10 and the K3. Evidently you can't connect the cable to the P3 and then to the K3. It must be connected directly to the K3. Once I did that the firmware loaded and everything is back to normal. Hopefully Howard at Elecraft will read this. Thanks to all the people that told me to connect the cable directly to the K3. Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 21 20:36:13 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:36:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Problem Solved!!!!
In-Reply-To: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55D7C3FD.9070301@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

I am glad to hear that you now have resolved the problem.  Sorry to hear 
of your frustration, but those computer COM port issues can indeed be 
frustrating at times.

The connection with the serial adapter cable to the P3 *should* have 
worked.  That means you may have to do some additional investigation.  I 
would first suspect the K3 to P3 RS-232 cable, or the connectors - make 
sure the jackscrews are properly fastened. Now that the crisis has 
passed, connect the K3 to P3 serial cable and connect your P3 to the USB 
to serial cable - then see if K3 Utility can find and connect with the 
K3.  If not, then troubleshoot that particular problem.

I would also suggest that you obtain another USB to serial adapter - 
preferably one with an FTDI chipset.  You should have a couple of USB to 
serial adapters on hand to use.  It is always good to have a spare to 
use just as a check - they are not that expensive and serve as good 
insurance when you can try an alternate.
I recall that you initially tried loading the firmware through a 
Microham device - that is a "NO-NO", disconnect the Microham and connect 
directly through a proper working USB to serial adapter when loading 
firmware.

I do not know anything about Windows 10 yet, but I recall reading 
somewhere that it is not always consistent in the COM port assignments 
when using USB to serial adapters - perhaps that was part of your 
problem - determining the correct COM port to be used in K3Utility.  
Yes, K3Utility can *usually* detect the correct COM port, but there are 
some occasions for 'false positive" responses that can occur when it 
does a port search, so it is best to determine which COM port your 
operating system has assigned for your USB to serial adapter and tell K3 
Utility to use that COM port.
In prior versions of Windows, it was as simple as going into Device 
Manager and looking at the Ports - unplug the adapter to see which port 
goes away, and then plug it back in and see which COM port is assigned 
to that adapter.  Windows 10 may be a bit different, but something 
similar should exist.

Howard may or may not see your post to the reflector - I don't know if 
he monitors the reflector in his "off hours".  It would be best to send 
him a direct email.  At this hour, he should be off enjoying his 
weekend, but I don't think he would not leave a customer "hanging" if 
you have had prior communications with him.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/21/2015 7:46 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Well, it seems that the prolific cables do work with windows 10 and the K3. Evidently you can't connect the cable to the P3 and then to the K3. It must be connected directly to the K3. Once I did that the firmware loaded and everything is back to normal. Hopefully Howard at Elecraft will read this. Thanks to all the people that told me to connect the cable directly to the K3. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Fri Aug 21 20:45:58 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Malcolm via Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:45:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
Message-ID: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>

Hi All

>From my time working in a Ham repair shop I can say that if a power supply dipped by more than 0.25 Volts between RX and 100w TX AT THE TERMINALS ON THE CASE OF THE POWER SUPPLY then that power supply wanted either replacement or repair.

I have just checked my own power supply for my K3 ( EP-925 or PS-30M badged linear PSU) and the voltage change (at the terminals on the case of the power supply) between RX and 100W TX  is less than 70 milli-volts.  This was measured using a both a Thurlby 1503HA (32000 count) or Fluke 8060A (4.5 digits) meters.  

The K3 is fed via 6 feet of 20 Amp cable and shows a voltage change between RX and 100w TX  (on the K3 display) of no more than 0.6 Volts.  There are no fuses in this lead but if there were I would allow an extra 0.1 volt per fuse giving a total of 0.8 volts.  If the k3 showed a difference of 1 volt or more then that would be cause for immediate investigation. 

Put in its simplest form a voltage drop of 1 volt at 20 amps means that 20 watts of power is being wasted. In the example quoted by the original author we are seeing a drop of 3 volts at 17-.5 Amps a loss of over 50 watts (the equivalent of 4 Amps at 12.5 Volts)!  

Even the cheapest digital meters have a 200 milli-volt range and you can use this to measure the voltage drop across each junction in the wiring to find where the fault lies.

I have cured many rigs that use the standard 6 pin connector of various problems simply by cleaning the power supply lead contacts throughout including the contacts between spade terminals and fuses and fuse holders and fuses.

As a matter of standard practice all my crimp contact junctions are soldered as well as being crimped using a good quality tool.

I hope this note provides adequate guidance.

Regards

Malcolm
G0MIC



From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 21 21:15:34 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>

In a slightly related note - for those who are using an oscilloscope to 
measure the RF voltage at the output, instead  of converting everything 
to RMS and doing the power calculation, I can give you a shortcut.  The 
formula for power by observing the RF voltage across a 50 ohm dummy load 
is Vp-p squared, and then divided by 400.  If the load is not 50 ohms, 
then it is Vp-p squared and divided by 8 times R.

The derivation is left to "the student" - Hint, use SQRT 2 in your 
derivation rather than 1.414 or .707 because the radicals will cancel 
out - the numbers will only cause confusion, but will produce a similar 
result.
I use this easy formula at the workbench often when determining power 
output, it is especially useful at power levels of 10 watts and below.  
Yes, I do have an oscilloscope probe permanently connected directly 
across my dummy load just for this purpose as well as for looking at 
relative RF voltages during an alignment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/21/2015 3:34 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>
> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always 
> based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the 
> voltage across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS 
> value to correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  
> There is no such thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when 
> expressing RF power in watts.
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug 21 21:20:25 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>

Malcolm brings up a very good point.   All connections should be fitted 
with a proper lug which is crimped with a proper tool, depending on wire 
size and the terminal to which it will be attached, AND all terminals 
should be soldered.    I make no exceptions to this practice.    The 
crimp connection is a mechanical connection, the soldering is the 
electrical connection.

One additional point I've found to be most beneficial is to run a 
dedicated ground wire between the ground terminal on the radio to the 
ground terminal on the power supply.    I do not rely on the DC negative 
to serve as ground between the radio and power supply.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/21/2015 7:45 PM, Malcolm via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi All
>
>
> As a matter of standard practice all my crimp contact junctions are soldered as well as being crimped using a good quality tool.
>
> I hope this note provides adequate guidance.
>
> Regards
>
> Malcolm
> G0MIC
>
>



From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 21 21:38:00 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:38:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>

I respectfully disagree. A properly made crimp is superior to a soldered
connection. The key word being properly made. If you don't have the correct
tools to do a proper crimp then a good compromise is to solder the connection
after crimping, however, that's only to comply with connection best practice to
establish a good mechanical and electrical connection. A proper crimp serves to
mechanically weld the conductors together.
Jer, AE4PB
K3S TBA
 
 

> On August 21, 2015 at 9:20 PM Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
>
> Malcolm brings up a very good point. All connections should be fitted
> with a proper lug which is crimped with a proper tool, depending on wire
> size and the terminal to which it will be attached, AND all terminals
> should be soldered. I make no exceptions to this practice. The
> crimp connection is a mechanical connection, the soldering is the
> electrical connection.
>
> One additional point I've found to be most beneficial is to run a
> dedicated ground wire between the ground terminal on the radio to the
> ground terminal on the power supply. I do not rely on the DC negative
> to serve as ground between the radio and power supply.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/21/2015 7:45 PM, Malcolm via Elecraft wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> >
> > As a matter of standard practice all my crimp contact junctions are soldered
> > as well as being crimped using a good quality tool.
> >
> > I hope this note provides adequate guidance.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Malcolm
> > G0MIC
> >
> >
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug 21 21:55:04 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 20:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>

Properly it must be crimped   A N  D   soldered.  Both are required.   
Are you saying a crimped and soldered connection is worse than a crimped 
only connection?

My military experience says there first must be a mechanical connection 
made {crimp or wrap} and then follow with an electrical connection 
{solder}.   And RCA stipulated this practice in all of their broadcast 
equipment.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/21/2015 8:38 PM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I respectfully disagree. A properly made crimp is superior to a 
> soldered connection. The key word being properly made. If you don't 
> have the correct tools to do a proper crimp then a good compromise is 
> to solder the connection after crimping, however, that's only to 
> comply with connection best practice to establish a good mechanical 
> and electrical connection. A proper crimp serves to mechanically weld 
> the conductors together.
> Jer, AE4PB
> K3S TBA
>
> > On August 21, 2015 at 9:20 PM Bob McGraw - K4TAX 
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Malcolm brings up a very good point. All connections should be fitted
> > with a proper lug which is crimped with a proper tool, depending on 
> wire
> > size and the terminal to which it will be attached, AND all terminals
> > should be soldered. I make no exceptions to this practice. The
> > crimp connection is a mechanical connection, the soldering is the
> > electrical connection.
> >
> > One additional point I've found to be most beneficial is to run a
> > dedicated ground wire between the ground terminal on the radio to the
> > ground terminal on the power supply. I do not rely on the DC negative
> > to serve as ground between the radio and power supply.
> >
> > 73
> > Bob, K4TAX
> > K3S s/n 10,163
> >
> > On 8/21/2015 7:45 PM, Malcolm via Elecraft wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > >
> > > As a matter of standard practice all my crimp contact junctions 
> are soldered as well as being crimped using a good quality tool.
> > >
> > > I hope this note provides adequate guidance.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Malcolm
> > > G0MIC
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 22:27:46 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Problem Solved!!!!
In-Reply-To: <55D7C3FD.9070301@embarqmail.com>
References: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
	<55D7C3FD.9070301@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D7DE22.8010002@gmail.com>

You can also try turning the P3 OFF, then loading.  This will confirm 
the wiring/cables/etc.

73,

Lyle KK7P

> ...The connection with the serial adapter cable to the P3 *should* 
> have worked.  That means you may have to do some additional 
> investigation.


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug 21 22:38:28 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>

A comment here, has anyone thought to use a Bird 43P with a 100 watt HF 
slug?  Or maybe a TelePost LP-100a?  Both are equally good regarding 
power measurements but only when the load is 50 ohms resistive.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/21/2015 8:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> In a slightly related note - for those who are using an oscilloscope 
> to measure the RF voltage at the output, instead  of converting 
> everything to RMS and doing the power calculation, I can give you a 
> shortcut.  The formula for power by observing the RF voltage across a 
> 50 ohm dummy load is Vp-p squared, and then divided by 400.  If the 
> load is not 50 ohms, then it is Vp-p squared and divided by 8 times R.
>
> The derivation is left to "the student" - Hint, use SQRT 2 in your 
> derivation rather than 1.414 or .707 because the radicals will cancel 
> out - the numbers will only cause confusion, but will produce a 
> similar result.
> I use this easy formula at the workbench often when determining power 
> output, it is especially useful at power levels of 10 watts and 
> below.  Yes, I do have an oscilloscope probe permanently connected 
> directly across my dummy load just for this purpose as well as for 
> looking at relative RF voltages during an alignment.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/21/2015 3:34 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>>
>> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always 
>> based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the 
>> voltage across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS 
>> value to correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  
>> There is no such thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when 
>> expressing RF power in watts.
>>
>
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From phystad at mac.com  Fri Aug 21 22:56:36 2015
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 19:56:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
	<55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <22AE2AAF-B9C4-4799-AB4D-F223AB13D25B@mac.com>

I have an LP100A as well as TX Mon for the P3.  But, I also do admit that my reason for having the LP100A is not to have an accurate reading of power but rather to have a reasonable good indicator of power and SWR.  I got the LP100A long before I had my K3 or P3 so if I were doing it all over again, the power meters on the KPA500 or the P3 TX Mon are good enough.  I like to know whether I am putting out 100 watts or 2 watts.  I really don?t care to know if it is 100 watts or 95 or 105 watts.

I think these days, the best thing about the LP100A is that it is yet another lighted up display that looks cool for any visiting guests.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Aug 21, 2015, at 7:38 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> A comment here, has anyone thought to use a Bird 43P with a 100 watt HF slug?  Or maybe a TelePost LP-100a?  Both are equally good regarding power measurements but only when the load is 50 ohms resistive.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
> On 8/21/2015 8:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> In a slightly related note - for those who are using an oscilloscope to measure the RF voltage at the output, instead  of converting everything to RMS and doing the power calculation, I can give you a shortcut.  The formula for power by observing the RF voltage across a 50 ohm dummy load is Vp-p squared, and then divided by 400.  If the load is not 50 ohms, then it is Vp-p squared and divided by 8 times R.
>> 
>> The derivation is left to "the student" - Hint, use SQRT 2 in your derivation rather than 1.414 or .707 because the radicals will cancel out - the numbers will only cause confusion, but will produce a similar result.
>> I use this easy formula at the workbench often when determining power output, it is especially useful at power levels of 10 watts and below.  Yes, I do have an oscilloscope probe permanently connected directly across my dummy load just for this purpose as well as for looking at relative RF voltages during an alignment.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 8/21/2015 3:34 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the voltage across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS value to correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  There is no such thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when expressing RF power in watts.
>>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Fri Aug 21 23:00:38 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
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You should be sure to NEVER say that around a microwave person! As long as
you stay in HF, crimps may be OK. As a retired microwave circuit and systems
design engineer, there will never be a crimped anything in my ham station.
Saying 'crimped' is better than soldered is the same as saying you don't
know what you are talking about! Just my opinion of course.

73,
Tom - W4BQF



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Moore
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:38 PM
To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

I respectfully disagree. A properly made crimp is superior to a soldered
connection. The key word being properly made. If you don't have the correct
tools to do a proper crimp then a good compromise is to solder the
connection after crimping, however, that's only to comply with connection
best practice to establish a good mechanical and electrical connection. A
proper crimp serves to mechanically weld the conductors together.
Jer, AE4PB
K3S TBA
 
 

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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 23:03:15 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:03:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
	<55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
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Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level.  Take a look
at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the most
accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better for
measuring 100W.

Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with identical Bird
elements......

Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously subject to the
accuracy of the final indicating instrument.

FWIW .....

73l

Ken Kopp - K0PP
On Aug 21, 2015 8:39 PM, "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> A comment here, has anyone thought to use a Bird 43P with a 100 watt HF
> slug?  Or maybe a TelePost LP-100a?  Both are equally good regarding power
> measurements but only when the load is 50 ohms resistive.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/21/2015 8:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> In a slightly related note - for those who are using an oscilloscope to
>> measure the RF voltage at the output, instead  of converting everything to
>> RMS and doing the power calculation, I can give you a shortcut.  The
>> formula for power by observing the RF voltage across a 50 ohm dummy load is
>> Vp-p squared, and then divided by 400.  If the load is not 50 ohms, then it
>> is Vp-p squared and divided by 8 times R.
>>
>> The derivation is left to "the student" - Hint, use SQRT 2 in your
>> derivation rather than 1.414 or .707 because the radicals will cancel out -
>> the numbers will only cause confusion, but will produce a similar result.
>> I use this easy formula at the workbench often when determining power
>> output, it is especially useful at power levels of 10 watts and below.
>> Yes, I do have an oscilloscope probe permanently connected directly across
>> my dummy load just for this purpose as well as for looking at relative RF
>> voltages during an alignment.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 8/21/2015 3:34 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's important to remember that RF power expressed in watts is always
>>> based on RMS values.  If RF watts are calculated by measuring the voltage
>>> across a known load, the voltage must be expressed as an RMS value to
>>> correctly calculate the power in watts.  Watts are watts.  There is no such
>>> thing as "peak to peak" or "RMS watts" when expressing RF power in watts.
>>>
>>>
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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Fri Aug 21 23:13:49 2015
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:13:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <55D7687F.6070403@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMBh83nAdewh9Hjmk9bc+ntvNFk4yL6wqxw3QcQcQ1b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01d0db8a$f8e2d750$eaa885f0$@net>
	<E29C8AC9-E6E9-4B27-9E0E-FF8D8261688C@elecraft.com>
	<55D72D69.2050101@k5dkz.com>
	<006201d0dc18$d96b7b50$8c4271f0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<CANckpc3=4J5YyymRVhXFUJxJ5-jiogeqD0vtSi-hr5NA4ELiDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D7687F.6070403@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55D7E8ED.6000608@wi.rr.com>

Yep...and the WK ARC of Greater Milwaukee, N9AW (2A), is also an all 
Elecraft FD group using three K3's plus the back up radios are also 
K3s.  Seven or eight antennas on 80-6M all within probably a 200 ft 
radius.  Never a hint of the other radios transmitting.

On 8/21/2015 1:05 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Fri,8/21/2015 7:53 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>> VRC contest club members have known this very useful fact for quite a
>> few years now. Our 3A North Carolina field day group (N4C this year)
>> goes to 100% K3 on HF bands for field day so that we can have both CW
>> and SSB going on the same band.
>
> Yup. And you're not the only ones. My old club back in Chicago, 
> running 3A as K9OR, regularly places in the top of their class. 
> They've been all K3 for quite a few years.
>
> I'm part of a team that sets up 3-4 stations in a rare county for the 
> California QSO Party. We carefully locate antennas to minimize 
> interstation interference, with a goal of CW and SSB on the same 
> bands. We've ALWAYS run K3s with 600W power amps into tribanders 
> separated by about 250 ft, and 80/40 dipoles with about 400 ft 
> separation and arrayed colinearly. This year (Oct 3-4) will be our 
> first year with new synth boards. When we have enough of them, the 
> amps are all KPA500s. One year I brought a used ACOM 1010 I had 
> acquired thinking that being a tube amp, it might be cleaner. Turns 
> out it's got a bit more IMD than the P3.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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> -- 
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>
> Gary K9GS
>
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>
> ************************************************

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 23:15:37 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <000401d0dc86$b9d92ad0$2d8b8070$@windstream.net>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
	<000401d0dc86$b9d92ad0$2d8b8070$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNDnvj7b8OX58R-eLM75sQQ_yoCL1Zc1m168nzqy4V3TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tom is correct !

OT Trivia:  PL-259's and SO-239's were not designed to be 50 ohms and
seldom are.  Use them in impedence-critical situations ... phasing lines,
power dividers, wattmeters, etc. ... at one's own peril. (;-)

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 21, 2015 9:01 PM, "Chester Alderman" <aldermant at windstream.net>
wrote:

> You should be sure to NEVER say that around a microwave person! As long as
> you stay in HF, crimps may be OK. As a retired microwave circuit and
> systems
> design engineer, there will never be a crimped anything in my ham station.
> Saying 'crimped' is better than soldered is the same as saying you don't
> know what you are talking about! Just my opinion of course.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Jerry
> Moore
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:38 PM
> To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
>
> I respectfully disagree. A properly made crimp is superior to a soldered
> connection. The key word being properly made. If you don't have the correct
> tools to do a proper crimp then a good compromise is to solder the
> connection after crimping, however, that's only to comply with connection
> best practice to establish a good mechanical and electrical connection. A
> proper crimp serves to mechanically weld the conductors together.
> Jer, AE4PB
> K3S TBA
>
>
>
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> aldermant at windstream.net
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Fri Aug 21 23:22:15 2015
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNDnvj7b8OX58R-eLM75sQQ_yoCL1Zc1m168nzqy4V3TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>	<000401d0dc86$b9d92ad0$2d8b8070$@windstream.net>
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Message-ID: <003201d0dc89$befee330$3cfca990$@gamewood.net>

Properly crimped, gas tight connection is superior to solder from DC to
daylight. Just my opinion of course. Oh, and 40 years of experience.
Ken - ke4rg

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.   Socrates

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G
Kopp
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:16 PM
To: Chester Alderman; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

Tom is correct !

OT Trivia:  PL-259's and SO-239's were not designed to be 50 ohms and seldom
are.  Use them in impedence-critical situations ... phasing lines, power
dividers, wattmeters, etc. ... at one's own peril. (;-)

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 21, 2015 9:01 PM, "Chester Alderman" <aldermant at windstream.net>
wrote:

> You should be sure to NEVER say that around a microwave person! As 
> long as you stay in HF, crimps may be OK. As a retired microwave 
> circuit and systems design engineer, there will never be a crimped 
> anything in my ham station.
> Saying 'crimped' is better than soldered is the same as saying you 
> don't know what you are talking about! Just my opinion of course.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF
><snip>


From breedenwb at cableone.net  Fri Aug 21 23:25:25 2015
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:25:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Question?
Message-ID: <55D7EBA5.2070804@cableone.net>


Bob,

I use my Bird 43 terminated with a dummy load when the power level I 
want to measure will give a good meter deflection with the slugs I have 
available.

Like Don, I find the voltage method handy when working with QRP rigs, 
since they barely deflect the Bird with any slug I have.  I use an 
ME-26D/U Vacuum Tube Voltmeter, the military version of the HP-410B, to 
measure the RF voltage across an accurate 50 ohm dummy load and do the math.

With my K line gear, I use the meter in my KPA500 on a daily basis and 
give it an occasional double check with the Bird to make sure both are 
working as intended.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

>A comment here, has anyone thought to use a Bird 43P with a 100 watt HF
>slug?  Or maybe a TelePost LP-100a?  Both are equally good regarding
>power measurements but only when the load is 50 ohms resistive.

>73
>Bob, K4TAX
>K3S s/n 10,163



From wa1abi at cox.net  Fri Aug 21 23:28:55 2015
From: wa1abi at cox.net (John King)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 23:28:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
Message-ID: <000401d0dc8a$acff3b70$06fdb250$@cox.net>

Another data point from the all-K3 FD station W1LY (2A RI).  The 3 Yagi
antennas in the photo (link below) were all on the 20m band simultaneously
for at least 4 hours at the beginning of FD. 1 station was on 20 CW, and 2
stations were on 20 SSB. All running 100 Watts. Another K3 was used in the
VHF station, and 2 other K3's were on standby as spares. Picture here:
http://w1sye.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FD-2015-Panorama-Resized.jpg

  

73,

  John WA1ABI

  


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 22 00:12:23 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 00:12:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Question?
In-Reply-To: <55D7EBA5.2070804@cableone.net>
References: <55D7EBA5.2070804@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <55D7F6A7.6080509@embarqmail.com>

While the Bird wattmeters are highly respected, consider the following 
with respect to any analog wattmeter:

The Bird can be as accurate as 5% of full scale - that means that with a 
100 watt slug, a 5 watt potential error at any point on the scale.  
Attempting to measure a 20 watt actual signal with a 100 watt slug can 
indicate anywhere between 15 watts and 25 watts.  Not a lot of precision 
in that measurement.

In addition, that 5% figure is only valid right after calibration. How 
many hams with Bird slugs have had them recently calibrated - my guess 
is that few have done that.  So, figure a possible 10 percent error (of 
the full scale reading) when evaluating power with a Bird wattmeter.  
Yes the Bird can be better than the average amateur wattmeter which are 
typically spec'ed for 20% of the full scale reading.

Exceptions to that are several of the digital wattmeters - the Elecraft 
W1 and W2 as well as the Telepost LP-100 will give you within 5% of the 
actual power reading rather than as a percentage of full scale.

As my wise old college professor said - engineer, know your tools, but 
more importantly, know their limitations.  In other words, do not depend 
on what the instrument says, but consider its potential errors as well.

The oscilloscope method that I described is dependent on the exact 
resistance of the dummy load.  If you do not have a good 50 ohm 
non-reactive dummy load, the result will not be accurate.  I have taken 
particular pains to have dummy loads that are accurate.  Yes, I also 
have dummy loads that are based on the Heathkit Cantenna, but I use them 
only for dummy loads in the hamshack, those are not used for 
measurements at the workbench.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/21/2015 11:25 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I use my Bird 43 terminated with a dummy load when the power level I 
> want to measure will give a good meter deflection with the slugs I 
> have available.
>
> Like Don, I find the voltage method handy when working with QRP rigs, 
> since they barely deflect the Bird with any slug I have.  I use an 
> ME-26D/U Vacuum Tube Voltmeter, the military version of the HP-410B, 
> to measure the RF voltage across an accurate 50 ohm dummy load and do 
> the math.
>


From wes at triconet.org  Sat Aug 22 00:48:30 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 21:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
	<55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com><55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D7FF1E.1060502@triconet.org>

So by your "logic" it would be best to measure one Watt using a 100W element.

On 8/21/2015 8:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
> element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level.  Take a look
> at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the most
> accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better for
> measuring 100W.
>
> Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with identical Bird
> elements......
>
> Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously subject to the
> accuracy of the final indicating instrument.
>
> FWIW .....
>
> 73l
>
>


From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 01:44:33 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:44:33 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions
In-Reply-To: <000401d0dc8a$acff3b70$06fdb250$@cox.net>
References: <000401d0dc8a$acff3b70$06fdb250$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <55d80c43.6937460a.2097.ffffb8e0@mx.google.com>

>From a more simplified position:

Portable operations with a K3 from early 2008, continuously through to today, the K3 has been the only transceiver in use.
Multiple wire antennas and a tri-band yagi on a trailer mounted tower is in my estimation are "hard life" and I would question what other transceiver could stand up to this type of rigor?
Bare in mind the K3 has not known what a nice comfy shack is, it does know what a motor home, a campsite and the great outdoors is and I could not question the Elecraft quality, reliability and suitability for this type of operation.
Now add the legendary, and I mean legendary, support and robust design, and I think most if not all agree that the K3 stands alone at the very top of the list of transceivers built for top performance, suitability, reliability and ease of operation.
I read about "Flagship" radios and I chuckle, none of them have survived what I term hard life conditions, been there, done that, and I have the Yaesu and Kenwood T-shirts to prove it but not their equipment, both failed in the first year and were moved on.
DXpeditions run for a few weeks, my K3 has run for 7 years and counting.
Way to go Eric and Wayne, you guys'  deserve every accolade that's out there.

Just my highly biased nickels worth.

73
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: "John King" <wa1abi at cox.net>
Sent: ?22/?08/?2015 1:29 PM
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why K3's are on most DXpeditions

Another data point from the all-K3 FD station W1LY (2A RI).  The 3 Yagi
antennas in the photo (link below) were all on the 20m band simultaneously
for at least 4 hours at the beginning of FD. 1 station was on 20 CW, and 2
stations were on 20 SSB. All running 100 Watts. Another K3 was used in the
VHF station, and 2 other K3's were on standby as spares. Picture here:
http://w1sye.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/FD-2015-Panorama-Resized.jpg

  

73,

  John WA1ABI

  

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Aug 22 02:03:07 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:03:07 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
Message-ID: <201508220603.t7M638XH015221@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

I agree with Bob, but as 45-years experience has taught me.

Properly crimped bright new copper wire is fine.  Take a look several 
years later (also compare contact resistance; probably best measured 
as voltage drop under load).  If you live in the desert where 
humidity never rises above 25% you may not see any change.  Put the 
same crimped connector 100-foot from salt water and less than three 
years it will turn green and start to fail.  Put on a boat with no 
sealant and the connector will fall apart.

Solder the connector after crimping to that bright new copper wire 
and those problems will be lessened.  ON a boat only airtight sealant 
will ensure long life.  I find where I want to ensure lowest contact 
resistance soldering after crimping works.

But if the wire is subject to repeated movement or vibrational forces 
the soldered connection will break whereas crimp-only seems more 
resilient.  Spacecraft use crimped-only connectors (subject to high 
g-force vibration in launch and extreme temperature variations).  But 
then there is no air in space and thus no moisture to corrode.

For ordinary shack wiring of a ham station crimp+ solder causes no 
harm.  I use it where ever I want to ensure the lowest voltage drop under load.

Most of those NAPA wire crimpers are a poor excuse for a real tool - 
but probably what most of us use. My coax crimpers are properly 
racheting crimpers and produce a good contact.  Still I do not like 
them in situations where the cable sees a lot of movement.  Good old 
compression back nut construction is best.  I'm talking about N, BNC, 
TNC, sma, 7/16, etc.  PL-259's are used only if I have to.

73, Ed - KL7UW

----------
From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
Message-ID: <55D7D678.80608 at blomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Properly it must be crimped   A N  D   soldered.  Both are required.
Are you saying a crimped and soldered connection is worse than a crimped
only connection?

My military experience says there first must be a mechanical connection
made {crimp or wrap} and then follow with an electrical connection
{solder}.   And RCA stipulated this practice in all of their broadcast
equipment.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163



73, Ed - KL7UW
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Aug 22 02:19:22 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:19:22 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Question?
Message-ID: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

When I need to know accurate power readings my best instrument is 
either scope and good 50-ohm termination, or using my HP432A mw power 
meter.  Its about 1/2 dB accurate.  But +10mw is the highest scale so 
you need several high power coaxial attenuators to measure 
power.  40dB will permit measuring +50-dBm (= 100w).

I have a lot of Bird elements and rely on the Bird for day-to-day 
measurements, but do realize the Bird's limitation. I measure from 
-20 dBm to +62 dBm in my ham shack.  The latter is 1500w. I use 
2500H, 2500B, 1000A or 1000D elements.  5w is my smallest element.

But for really precise SWR I use directional couplers and calibrated 
open, short and 50-ohm terms.  They are never subjected to over +10 
dBm.  Return loss is what is actually measured and one can use a 
conversion chart to determine SWR.  If I had the money then a VNA is 
the optimum instrument.  But the average ham does not need that.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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     dubususa at gmail.com


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 05:49:35 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:49:35 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Problem Solved!!!!
In-Reply-To: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <15701648-D2EC-4231-A3C8-D241E11763E1@gmail.com>

Glad it works, but this is strange. I always do firmware updates with the P3 in line.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 22, 2015, at 2:46 AM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> 
> Well, it seems that the prolific cables do work with windows 10 and the K3. Evidently you can't connect the cable to the P3 and then to the K3. It must be connected directly to the K3. Once I did that the firmware loaded and everything is back to normal. Hopefully Howard at Elecraft will read this. Thanks to all the people that told me to connect the cable directly to the K3. Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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From cfytech24x7 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 07:52:40 2015
From: cfytech24x7 at gmail.com (Charles Yahrling)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:52:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PS question answered - tnx to all!
Message-ID: <CAC04G9hvSxDYy4TJfrSN8D8U+RkG2q3xKqmHqBLcGJzZYLbZ=g@mail.gmail.com>

I got great info including some actual measurements from W4BQF that jived
with mine, once I took corrective action by shortening the power lead and
eliminating the dual fuses. Findings:

- starting T/S by eliminating the simplest (and most notorious) suspect is
still a great idea

-  I was reminded my Astron VS-35M does not have voltage sense capability,
so some V drop shown on FP will be normal (but not 2+ vdc!)

-  accordingly, to measure any voltage sag on my PS I must measure at the
PS terminals (K9YC et al)

- pay attention to the tx power indicator when operating. I had been
ignoring that until I noticed it was showing more power than usual (at
100W) after the fix.

FWIW in 50 years of soldering, the only connections I've had to repair are
the ones that were crimped but not soldered.  This is a mandatory
anti-corrosion hack for salt water boating, along with RTV for good
measure.

I do not take the K3 sailing <g>

great info, great list.
many thanks!
-- 
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From ai6ii at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 08:23:26 2015
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:23:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
In-Reply-To: <1421283660828-7597133.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1421283660828-7597133.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1440246206098-7606561.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks for all the suggestion on and off list. It is not an issue of not know
which file or where to find it, rather I am not able to get to the Elecraft
ftp site. Clearly the problem is on my end of it. Only recent change here is
upgrading to Windows 10. I will have to look closer as to why my browser now
has a problem with FTP. Thanks es 73  ..mike  AI6II



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From oh5yu at sral.fi  Sat Aug 22 08:35:56 2015
From: oh5yu at sral.fi (Juhani Ahvenainen)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:35:56 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 audio distorted with AGC on, fine with AGC off
Message-ID: <F5724E155144444B9192D441E2A553D3@JTA2012>

The firmware version in my KX3 is MCU 02.33, DSP 01.33. The AGC (menu) parameters are at their default values. If you turn off AGC (menu AGC MD) the audio is fine. If you turn AGC on the audio is very clearly distorted on signals stronger than about S7. The stronger the signal the worse the distortion.

Using different sets of headphones or PC speakers of good quality makes no difference. I have tried tweaking the AGC parameters (AGC*THR especially) and I have backed up and restored the configuration with the utility PC program. Switching between 14 V and 12 V power supplies seems to make no difference. What else can you do? Unfortunately, this issue takes the joy out of using the otherwise great radio.

73, Juhani OH5YU

From w6sx at arrl.net  Sat Aug 22 10:00:36 2015
From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:00:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Question?
In-Reply-To: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <CABD27UkKvwtMBuGKb96qhR8bEGqj8BUotxTrEsi53JQJ5L8CsA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:

When I need to know accurate power readings my best instrument is either
> scope and good 50-ohm termination, or using my HP432A mw power meter.  Its
> about 1/2 dB accurate.


Isn't "1/2 dB accurate" the same as "12 percent accuracy"?

73,

Hank, W6SX

From dmb at lightstream.net  Sat Aug 22 05:14:09 2015
From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:14:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 audio distorted with AGC on, fine with AGC off
In-Reply-To: <F5724E155144444B9192D441E2A553D3@JTA2012>
References: <F5724E155144444B9192D441E2A553D3@JTA2012>
Message-ID: <55396.71.74.118.201.1440234849.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Juhani,

I've encountered this as well. It's particularly noticeable with some of
the wide ESSB sig's which tend to use less compression and no doubt have a
higher peak to average ratio than most other signals on the band.

I've found that reducing the RF gain control to about -10 to -12, helps
quite a bit. For me, the granularity of the AF gain is too coarse.
Sometimes, even a setting of "1" is too much when I'm wearing headphones
(depending upon the particular phones). For that reason, I reduced the RF
gain, and in so doing discovered the side benefit that itsignificantly
reduced or eliminated the distortion you mention.

73,
Dale
WA8SRA


> The firmware version in my KX3 is MCU 02.33, DSP 01.33. The AGC (menu)
> parameters are at their default values. If you turn off AGC (menu AGC MD)
> the audio is fine. If you turn AGC on the audio is very clearly distorted
> on signals stronger than about S7. The stronger the signal the worse the
> distortion.
>
> Using different sets of headphones or PC speakers of good quality makes no
> difference. I have tried tweaking the AGC parameters (AGC*THR especially)
> and I have backed up and restored the configuration with the utility PC
> program. Switching between 14 V and 12 V power supplies seems to make no
> difference. What else can you do? Unfortunately, this issue takes the joy
> out of using the otherwise great radio.
>
> 73, Juhani OH5YU



From wes at triconet.org  Sat Aug 22 10:26:09 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON Question?
In-Reply-To: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <55D88681.8010201@triconet.org>

Maybe "really precise" is a stretch when you're using scalar instrumentation.

Considering the money we put into rigs and antennas, the ~$500 price of the 
DG8SAQ Vector Network Analyzer is affordable.

I can remember the days when I had to have some precision attenuation 
measurements made on a piece of equipment and it took an airplane ride to a 
sister facility where an HP8410 network analyzer resided in a 
temperature-controlled clean room.

Later I was able to purchase one of the first HP8510s ($250K) for my work lab. 
It was rack-mounted and weighed a couple of hundred pounds. At that time NBS 
(NIST) wouldn't even certify 3.5mm (SMA) standards.  BTW, a set of test cables 
was >$3K.  Imagine trying to convince Management that these were throw away 
items after so many connect-disconnect cycles.

Now I have the VNWA 3 analyzer in my home lab.  I can hold it in my hand and 
within its frequency range, it is every bit as good as the HP and the software 
is a whole lot more powerful.

Radio-wise, we live in magical times.

Wes  N7WS

On 8/21/2015 11:19 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>
> But for really precise SWR I use directional couplers and calibrated open, 
> short and 50-ohm terms.  They are never subjected to over +10 dBm.  Return 
> loss is what is actually measured and one can use a conversion chart to 
> determine SWR.  If I had the money then a VNA is the optimum instrument.  But 
> the average ham does not need that.


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug 22 10:36:35 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Power Measurements
In-Reply-To: <CABD27UkKvwtMBuGKb96qhR8bEGqj8BUotxTrEsi53JQJ5L8CsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201508220619.t7M6JM56022455@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
	<CABD27UkKvwtMBuGKb96qhR8bEGqj8BUotxTrEsi53JQJ5L8CsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D888F3.2080008@blomand.net>

Seems that I somewhat stirred the pot on this topic with my suggestion 
of using a Bird 43P or LP-100a.    In this regard with a Bird 43 
instrument, proper choice of a slug is necessary.  Thus if one wishes to 
measure 10 watts or so then a slug of the proper full scale range, both 
in power and frequency,  should be used.   In no way would I suggest or 
imply a 100 watt slug be used to measure 10 watts.

We seem to overlook the point the Bird meter, as well as most other ham 
type power meters, are voltage devices.  In this regard, the accurate 
power measurement relies on the calibration at precisely 50 ohms.  Any 
other Z, resistive or reactive basically negates the accuracy of these 
devices.  Now used as a means to determine SWR, they work OK as one is 
comparing two different power values obtained with the same instrument 
at the same point in the feed line and using a calculator or nomograph 
to determine actual SWR values.

One of the few instruments to calculate the true power is the LP-100a in 
as much as it has two sensors which are used to  measure both voltage 
and current.  At this point the Z component is insignificant to a larger 
degree.

As to using an oscilloscope, again the calibration is a critical point 
in accuracy plus the resolution accuracy or the ability of one to 
determine the actual value of the trace as displayed.    And too, the 
accuracy of the dummy load becomes a significant factor.    As a rule we 
presume most dummy loads are 50 ohms, but are they?  I have four 
different ones, all showing a difference in R value, yet are a 
"supposed" to be 50 ohm loads.

As someone else stated, all of this is determined by the accuracy of the 
items being used to measure power and the operator understanding and 
knowing the limitations of the measurement system.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/22/2015 9:00 AM, Hank Garretson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>
> When I need to know accurate power readings my best instrument is either
>> scope and good 50-ohm termination, or using my HP432A mw power meter.  Its
>> about 1/2 dB accurate.
>
> Isn't "1/2 dB accurate" the same as "12 percent accuracy"?
>
> 73,
>
> Hank, W6SX
> ______________________________________________________________
>



From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 22 10:44:52 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
	<55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <018b01d0dce9$1b881c20$52985460$@carolinaheli.com>

Guys, there may be new/better information out there, and I?m agreeable to be wrong. 

 

I just know that our Government spends millions/billions to over research everything. What follows is excerpts from the US Navy Electricity and Electronics Training Series, Module 4, Chapter and page is included as reference.

 

The format of the reference: <chapter>-<page>

 

2-11 - The increased use of crimp-on terminals is due to the limitations of soldered terminals. The quality

of soldered connections depends mostly upon the operator's skill. Other factors, such as temperature, flux,

cleanliness, oxides, and insulation damage due to heat, also add to defective connections. Solder-type

connections are covered later in this chapter.

An advantage of the crimp-on solderless terminal lugs is that they require relatively little operator

skill to use. Another advantage is that the only tool needed is the crimping tool. This allows terminal lugs

to be applied with a minimum of time and effort. The connections are made rapidly, are clean, and

uniform in construction. Because of the pressures exerted and the material used, the crimped connection

or splice, properly made, is both mechanically and electrically sound.

 

My comments: I wasn?t able to find the ?limitations of soldered terminals? listed. My best guess is that the limits are more based on correct process/skill at the onset to prevent cold joints AND loss of wire flexibility near the connection. The loss of flexibility potentially being more susceptible to weakening/breaks due to vibration ? conjecture on my part. 

 

 

 

2-24 - Do not tin wires that are to be crimped to

solderless terminals or splices.

 

I found a source for the modules online - http://jacquesricher.com/NEETS/

 

 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, K3S soon


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 22 10:51:15 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <000401d0dc86$b9d92ad0$2d8b8070$@windstream.net>
References: <14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
	<000401d0dc86$b9d92ad0$2d8b8070$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <019801d0dcea$00a69700$01f3c500$@carolinaheli.com>

Fair enough Tom :) , 
I've not had the pleasure of doing microwave other than
fixing/troubleshooting radar (APS 180/APS 80). My Navy training didn't
include soldering/crimping for radar other than cannon/other connections.
It's been a long time and I don't recall the magnetron connection types as
we generally would only replace crystals or the whole unit if there was an
issue. I did get to change a waveguide and test it with a sweep cart once.
That was a lot of fun. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Chester Alderman [mailto:aldermant at windstream.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:01 PM
To: 'Jerry Moore'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

You should be sure to NEVER say that around a microwave person! As long as
you stay in HF, crimps may be OK. As a retired microwave circuit and systems
design engineer, there will never be a crimped anything in my ham station.
Saying 'crimped' is better than soldered is the same as saying you don't
know what you are talking about! Just my opinion of course.

73,
Tom - W4BQF



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Moore
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 9:38 PM
To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

I respectfully disagree. A properly made crimp is superior to a soldered
connection. The key word being properly made. If you don't have the correct
tools to do a proper crimp then a good compromise is to solder the
connection after crimping, however, that's only to comply with connection
best practice to establish a good mechanical and electrical connection. A
proper crimp serves to mechanically weld the conductors together.
Jer, AE4PB
K3S TBA
 
 

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From w2kj at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug 22 10:59:31 2015
From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:59:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. or trade Pam Code Cube
Message-ID: <573301DF-0C7A-4560-9BF0-5E3E4643EABB@bellsouth.net>

Howdy Gang:

I have a like new Palm Code Cube in like-new condition (used only a couple of times)  that I would like to trade for an Idiom Press CMOS4 keyer in like condition.

The Palm Code Cube is the one that plugs into the Palm mini paddle.

Or I will sell it outright for $75 shipped.

			73, Joe W2KJ
			I QRP, therefore I am

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 22 12:01:33 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:01:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <201508220603.t7M638XH015221@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201508220603.t7M638XH015221@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <000301d0dcf3$d26d5a90$77480fb0$@carolinaheli.com>

Nice NASA geek type reading on connections and such. I'm sure the
information is largely out of date but still has a ton of really good info. 

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750010203.pdf



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:03 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

I agree with Bob, but as 45-years experience has taught me.

Properly crimped bright new copper wire is fine.  Take a look several years
later (also compare contact resistance; probably best measured as voltage
drop under load).  If you live in the desert where humidity never rises
above 25% you may not see any change.  Put the same crimped connector
100-foot from salt water and less than three years it will turn green and
start to fail.  Put on a boat with no sealant and the connector will fall
apart.

Solder the connector after crimping to that bright new copper wire and those
problems will be lessened.  ON a boat only airtight sealant will ensure long
life.  I find where I want to ensure lowest contact resistance soldering
after crimping works.

But if the wire is subject to repeated movement or vibrational forces the
soldered connection will break whereas crimp-only seems more resilient.
Spacecraft use crimped-only connectors (subject to high g-force vibration in
launch and extreme temperature variations).  But then there is no air in
space and thus no moisture to corrode.

For ordinary shack wiring of a ham station crimp+ solder causes no harm.  I
use it where ever I want to ensure the lowest voltage drop under load.

Most of those NAPA wire crimpers are a poor excuse for a real tool - but
probably what most of us use. My coax crimpers are properly racheting
crimpers and produce a good contact.  Still I do not like them in situations
where the cable sees a lot of movement.  Good old compression back nut
construction is best.  I'm talking about N, BNC, TNC, sma, 7/16, etc.
PL-259's are used only if I have to.

73, Ed - KL7UW

----------
From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
Message-ID: <55D7D678.80608 at blomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Properly it must be crimped   A N  D   soldered.  Both are required.
Are you saying a crimped and soldered connection is worse than a crimped
only connection?

My military experience says there first must be a mechanical connection made
{crimp or wrap} and then follow with an electrical connection
{solder}.   And RCA stipulated this practice in all of their broadcast
equipment.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163



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From floyd at k8ac.net  Sat Aug 22 13:19:58 2015
From: floyd at k8ac.net (K8AC)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:19:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
Message-ID: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>

I had been using an Elecraft USB/serial cable with my recently acquired K2
and the PC communications worked properly.  In debugging a software problem,
it was suggested that I try using a real serial port, which I did. 
Unfortunately, I was unaware that I wasn't supposed to use a standard RS232
cable.  So now, the K2's port won't work with the USB/serial cable either
and I assume that the interface in the KPA-100 was damaged.  I guess that U4
(MAX 1406) is a prime suspect for failure in this case.  Any suggestions?



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From n5ge at n5ge.com  Sat Aug 22 13:46:08 2015
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:46:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s  and P3 Issues
Message-ID: <ku9hta1ti740b4unjas5b84u4bgsfpdstj@4ax.com>

The K3S is great! , but now I'm having trouble setting up the P3.

I hooked the P3 up with the cables furnished with the K3S and now I'm
having some issues with the P3.

1. I didn't change on the P3 settings, except loading the latest
non-beta firmware.

2. Now I can't get the U shaped cursor to display.  I've tryed all of
the cursor settings in both FixTrack and FixMode with no sucess.

Can someone please tell me how to make the U shaped cursors display
again? 

Thanks,

Amateur Radio Operator 
N5GE


From ik7565 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 22 14:26:21 2015
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2/P3TXMON directional couplers
Message-ID: <000701d0dd08$0bbf7d00$233e7700$@verizon.net>

Just curious if anyone knows the insertion loss for the W2 or P3TXMON
directional couplers?  The manuals don't specify.  Part numbers are
different but they sure look the same!

73, Ian N8IK 

 


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 22 15:16:15 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:16:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>

Anyone who has purchased a used K2 needs to take notice, lest it happen 
to you too.

That connector is marked AUX I/O for exactly that reason, it is not a 
computer RS-232 connector even though it contains TXD, RXD and signal 
ground.  As a result, one must always use the special cable that is 
built as part of the KPA100 to connect to a computer serial port.

You are not likely to have damaged anything in the KPA100 when 
connecting a standard serial cable to the K2, although KPA100 U6 may 
have a damaged output at pin 6, and the inductors located just behind 
the DE-9 connector should be checked for continuity.
The TXD and RXD signals in the serial cable will connect to U4 just the 
same as if the special cable were used.

You could have also damaged the computer serial port because pin 1 was 
grounded by the K2.

You will find most of the damage will be in the base K2.
Internal signals AUXBUS and VRFDET could have caused the MCU IC to be 
damaged as well as the KSB2.
The fact that the 8R voltage rail appears on that connector, that may 
have caused further damage.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2015 1:19 PM, K8AC wrote:
> I had been using an Elecraft USB/serial cable with my recently acquired K2
> and the PC communications worked properly.  In debugging a software problem,
> it was suggested that I try using a real serial port, which I did.
> Unfortunately, I was unaware that I wasn't supposed to use a standard RS232
> cable.  So now, the K2's port won't work with the USB/serial cable either
> and I assume that the interface in the KPA-100 was damaged.  I guess that U4
> (MAX 1406) is a prime suspect for failure in this case.  Any suggestions?
>
>
>
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Sat Aug 22 16:10:36 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:10:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TXMON vs Lp-100A test
Message-ID: <000001d0dd16$9c6a3710$d53ea530$@windstream.net>

The below are ham radio test results, NOT engineering test lab results.
(This is what an inquisitive ham does on a Saturday to keep from going out
in the 96 degree/84% humidity to cut grass.)


I have been doing some 'informative' test on my P3 TXMON verses my LP-100A
Vector wattmeter. As we all are aware, the difference of a couple of digits
in the digital readout is typically insignificant.

K3 s/n 8895 and P3 with TXMON installed. K3 connected through my Alpha 9500
(turned off) and my TXMON TX Directional Coupler (DC) to the 9500 RF output,
using a male/male adapter. The DC is connected via a four foot RG-232 coax
to my Bird 500w dummy load.
I first connected the DC and the LP-100A DC in series, at the RF output
connector of the 9500; the K3 was in CW mode and I was keying with my 1916
Blue Racer bug.

I set the K3 to its reading of 100 watts. The 100A read 106.7 watts and SWR
= 1.05:1. The TXMON read 107.0 watts and SWR =1.00:1 {The TXMON is actually
readying the input SWR of the 100A DC}

Then using the TXMON, I set the Pout reading of the K3 to exactly 100 watts.
The 100A read 97 watts.

I then adjusted the K3 for exactly 100 watts on the 100A and using the TXMON
(menu) SCALE CAL, I adjusted the TXMON to 100 watts, resulting in  SCALE CAL
(default setting = 500) to 514, closely agreeing with the 100A reading. (The
last digit of the PEP reading continuously changed each time I keyed the
K3).

My personal conclusion is the TXMON agrees with the 100A VERY close and
truthfully adjusting SCALE CAL is not necessary as these are all
uncontrolled test results. The reading of TXMON SWR was close enough to the
100A to be a non-issue.

****************************************************************************
*****************

This is probably of little interest to most, but it is something I always do
just for my own information because I used to operate QRQ at speeds over 100
wpm..

For non-contest keying I use a very old logging program produced by VE6YP,
called YPlog. This program generates CW using Windows internal sound
generation thereby eliminating the 'CW stutter' generated by all Windows
operating PC systems I/O output ports, i.e. Serial and Parallel ports. One
must build a very simple audio detector, driving a simple NPN transistor to
key any radio. I have watched this program on my O'scope, running the 'Quick
Brown Fox' message on a different radio (Icom) at 160 wpm and working
flawless.

My first impression of QRQ keying of the 'improved' firmware for the K3 was
that, to my ear, the K3 was capable of about 95 wpm before the characters
started losing spacing. In testing this a couple of days ago, with the TXMON
installed in my P3, I found out the RF keying waveform from my K3 could
actually go up between 115 and 120 wpm before character spacing began to
wilt! So it was certainly better than my 'old' ears!

8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
88888888888888888

NOTE: This is something I did out of curiosity of my own. I share it with
the reflector just for informational purposes.

My personal opinion of the TXMON is that it's Pout and SWR readings are very
close to the accuracy of an LP-100A, but of course it was not designed to
provide the rest of the excellent capabilities of the LP-100A.
 
73,
Tom - W4BQF




From floyd at k8ac.net  Sat Aug 22 16:28:09 2015
From: floyd at k8ac.net (Floyd Sense)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:28:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>

Hi Don.  I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the 
description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an 
interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're 
implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user 
shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before plugging 
in a connector when every other such connector works in the conventional 
way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45 years ago, I 
would have been executed had I designed something like this.

Anyway, maybe you can help me determine what areas to focus on in the 
repair.  Here's what I know:

1. The RF chokes RFC6-9 are all intact.
2. The ALC is functioning properly - the power control properly controls 
the output
3. U1 in the KPS-100 appears to be functioning as the relays are being 
activated at the right time as I switch through the bands.
4. Data sent from Hyperterminal through the USB/serial converter to the 
K2 shows up on Pin 6 of the KPA-100 U4 (the Max1706) and can be seen at 
pin 26 of the K2 MCU (U6).  But, the K2 doesn't act on the commands that 
are  sent.
5. The voltage on pin 5 of U4 (MAX1406) is -15.4 VDC, seems that 
indicates U4 is toast?

I haven't observed any other problems.  I found the document written by 
Gary Surrency and Tom Hammond regarding this situation.  Which leads me 
to some questions:

1.  Reference is made to possible damage to the KSB2.  Do you know what 
the symptom would be in that case?
2.  Apparently, any damage to the MCU IC might be isolated to just the 
input from the interface - pin 26.  I say that because everything else 
appears to function normally.  Are you aware of anything else I might 
check for regarding the MCU function?

73, Floyd


On 8/22/2015 3:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Anyone who has purchased a used K2 needs to take notice, lest it 
> happen to you too.
>
> That connector is marked AUX I/O for exactly that reason, it is not a 
> computer RS-232 connector even though it contains TXD, RXD and signal 
> ground.  As a result, one must always use the special cable that is 
> built as part of the KPA100 to connect to a computer serial port.
>
> You are not likely to have damaged anything in the KPA100 when 
> connecting a standard serial cable to the K2, although KPA100 U6 may 
> have a damaged output at pin 6, and the inductors located just behind 
> the DE-9 connector should be checked for continuity.
> The TXD and RXD signals in the serial cable will connect to U4 just 
> the same as if the special cable were used.
>
> You could have also damaged the computer serial port because pin 1 was 
> grounded by the K2.
>
> You will find most of the damage will be in the base K2.
> Internal signals AUXBUS and VRFDET could have caused the MCU IC to be 
> damaged as well as the KSB2.
> The fact that the 8R voltage rail appears on that connector, that may 
> have caused further damage.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>


From k2mk at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 16:46:18 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:46:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s  and P3 Issues
In-Reply-To: <ku9hta1ti740b4unjas5b84u4bgsfpdstj@4ax.com>
References: <ku9hta1ti740b4unjas5b84u4bgsfpdstj@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1440276378612-7606577.post@n2.nabble.com>

Menu, Cursors, knob press

What you are probably experiencing is that when you first press the menu
button the first thing to come up is FW Rev. You have to turn the knob
counter clockwise before you see Cursors.

73,
Mike K2MK


N5GE wrote
> The K3S is great! , but now I'm having trouble setting up the P3.
> 
> I hooked the P3 up with the cables furnished with the K3S and now I'm
> having some issues with the P3.
> 
> 1. I didn't change on the P3 settings, except loading the latest
> non-beta firmware.
> 
> 2. Now I can't get the U shaped cursor to display.  I've tryed all of
> the cursor settings in both FixTrack and FixMode with no sucess.
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to make the U shaped cursors display
> again? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Amateur Radio Operator 
> N5GE





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From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sat Aug 22 17:09:18 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rose's K3 Cases
Message-ID: <22F5DBA3-C78A-4099-BAF3-F09B65CE3616@tx.rr.com>

I know this is old news for a lot of you, but after a long time (ser 2090 - about) with a K3, I?m finally going to take my K3/P3 on the road.  Just got a set of cases from Rose Kopp ? K3 DXpedition, and standard P3 case.  They are just exquisite.

If you have a K3, or are a newbie with a K3/K3S, you should be looking at these cases.  

Grant NQ5T

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 22 17:22:45 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:22:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Rose's K3 Cases
In-Reply-To: <22F5DBA3-C78A-4099-BAF3-F09B65CE3616@tx.rr.com>
References: <22F5DBA3-C78A-4099-BAF3-F09B65CE3616@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <550955130.238054.1440278566063.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw13.lxa.perfora.net>

Pictures or website? Little r if more appropriate.
Jer
 
> On August 22, 2015 at 5:09 PM GRANT YOUNGMAN <nq5t at tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> I know this is old news for a lot of you, but after a long time (ser 2090 -
> about) with a K3, I?m finally going to take my K3/P3 on the road. Just got a
> set of cases from Rose Kopp ? K3 DXpedition, and standard P3 case. They are
> just exquisite.
>
> If you have a K3, or are a newbie with a K3/K3S, you should be looking at
> these cases.
>
> Grant NQ5T
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From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sat Aug 22 17:28:14 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:28:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Rose's K3 Cases
In-Reply-To: <550955130.238054.1440278566063.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw13.lxa.perfora.net>
References: <22F5DBA3-C78A-4099-BAF3-F09B65CE3616@tx.rr.com>
	<550955130.238054.1440278566063.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw13.lxa.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <78A77272-4D3B-4713-8E75-0634B6E42263@tx.rr.com>

Go to Elecraft?s home page and scroll down to the bottom or ..

> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7058736_hZbo4/1/452236459_Bc3aF#!i=452236478&k=W8SXP2M <http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/7058736_hZbo4/1/452236459_Bc3aF#!i=452236478&k=W8SXP2M>
Grant NQ5T




> On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> 
> Pictures or website? Little r if more appropriate.
> Jer
>  
> > On August 22, 2015 at 5:09 PM GRANT YOUNGMAN <nq5t at tx.rr.com <mailto:nq5t at tx.rr.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I know this is old news for a lot of you, but after a long time (ser 2090 - about) with a K3, I?m finally going to take my K3/P3 on the road. Just got a set of cases from Rose Kopp ? K3 DXpedition, and standard P3 case. They are just exquisite.
> > 
> > If you have a K3, or are a newbie with a K3/K3S, you should be looking at these cases. 
> > 
> > Grant NQ5T


From W2APF at myfairpoint.net  Sat Aug 22 18:29:33 2015
From: W2APF at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:29:33 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help
Message-ID: <000501d0dd2a$08a8a7a0$19f9f6e0$@myfairpoint.net>

Thank you all for your suggestions.  Wayne got back to me immediately (even
with a 9 hour time difference) and in two emails

Had the problem diagnosed and I was able to make a repair.  Issue was 2M
module I had just installed.  I operated with a swiss

army knife and am back in business!  

 

I love this company and this radio!

 

73,

Thaire  W2APF


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 22 18:32:08 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:32:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
Message-ID: <55D8F868.8090208@embarqmail.com>

Floyd,

You say the voltage at U4 pin 5 is -15.4 volts, and that *may* be a 
perfectly valid voltage - that is a MARK.
It should not be constantly that way, so check U4 pin 12 - if it is 
zero, then the MAX1406 is behaving properly in response.  That line 
originates from the MCU (Control Board U6) pin 25, and should be +5v 
under normal conditions, but pulses to zero when the K2 sends data.

If you find KPA100 U4 pin 12 at 5 volts while pin 5 is going negative, 
then replace U4.
OTOH, if U4 pin 12 is at zero volts, suspect the K2 MCU or some problem 
on the signal line between those points.
As a quick check on whether the base K2 or KPA100 is pulling that signal 
to zero, remove the KPA100 ribbon cable, then power the base K2 and see 
whether CB U6 pin 25 goes to +5v with the ribbon cable removed.  If it 
stays at 0 volts, remove the MCU and make a resistance measurement on U6 
pin 25 to make sure it is not shorted - if you read a high resistance, 
replace the MCU IC.

The most likely symptom if the KSB2 board has been damaged from plugging 
in a serial cable is that you could have damaged  either the KSB2 MCU 
(AUXBUS line), or Q1 (high voltage on the VRFDET line or the ALC line 
can do damage).

Note that if you were previously connecting the USB to serial adapter 
directly to the KPA100 AUX I/O connector, it may be possible that no 
damage would occur *if* the voltage out of the adapter did not exceed 5 
volts and never went negative.  In the PC world of short RS-232 
signalling, some try to "get away' with those levels, where a real 
serial card will typically have voltages in excess of +/-12 volts.
So if you did not previously use the special cable, you will need to 
build one - the instructions are in the KPA100 manual page 60.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2015 4:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>
> Anyway, maybe you can help me determine what areas to focus on in the 
> repair.  Here's what I know:
>
> 1. The RF chokes RFC6-9 are all intact.
> 2. The ALC is functioning properly - the power control properly 
> controls the output
> 3. U1 in the KPS-100 appears to be functioning as the relays are being 
> activated at the right time as I switch through the bands.
> 4. Data sent from Hyperterminal through the USB/serial converter to 
> the K2 shows up on Pin 6 of the KPA-100 U4 (the Max1706) and can be 
> seen at pin 26 of the K2 MCU (U6).  But, the K2 doesn't act on the 
> commands that are  sent.
> 5. The voltage on pin 5 of U4 (MAX1406) is -15.4 VDC, seems that 
> indicates U4 is toast?
>
> I haven't observed any other problems.  I found the document written 
> by Gary Surrency and Tom Hammond regarding this situation.  Which 
> leads me to some questions:
>
> 1.  Reference is made to possible damage to the KSB2.  Do you know 
> what the symptom would be in that case?
> 2.  Apparently, any damage to the MCU IC might be isolated to just the 
> input from the interface - pin 26.  I say that because everything else 
> appears to function normally.  Are you aware of anything else I might 
> check for regarding the MCU function?
>
> 73, Floyd
>
>
> On 8/22/2015 3:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Anyone who has purchased a used K2 needs to take notice, lest it 
>> happen to you too.
>>
>> That connector is marked AUX I/O for exactly that reason, it is not a 
>> computer RS-232 connector even though it contains TXD, RXD and signal 
>> ground.  As a result, one must always use the special cable that is 
>> built as part of the KPA100 to connect to a computer serial port.
>>
>> You are not likely to have damaged anything in the KPA100 when 
>> connecting a standard serial cable to the K2, although KPA100 U6 may 
>> have a damaged output at pin 6, and the inductors located just behind 
>> the DE-9 connector should be checked for continuity.
>> The TXD and RXD signals in the serial cable will connect to U4 just 
>> the same as if the special cable were used.
>>
>> You could have also damaged the computer serial port because pin 1 
>> was grounded by the K2.
>>
>> You will find most of the damage will be in the base K2.
>> Internal signals AUXBUS and VRFDET could have caused the MCU IC to be 
>> damaged as well as the KSB2.
>> The fact that the 8R voltage rail appears on that connector, that may 
>> have caused further damage.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>
>


From floyd at k8ac.net  Sat Aug 22 18:38:51 2015
From: floyd at k8ac.net (K8AC)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 15:38:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D8F868.8090208@embarqmail.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D8F868.8090208@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D8F9E5.7090904@k8ac.net>

OK - many thanks, Don.  I'll get busy looking at those things.

73, Floyd


On 8/22/2015 6:33 PM, Don Wilhelm-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Floyd,
>
> You say the voltage at U4 pin 5 is -15.4 volts, and that *may* be a
> perfectly valid voltage - that is a MARK.
> It should not be constantly that way, so check U4 pin 12 - if it is
> zero, then the MAX1406 is behaving properly in response.  That line
> originates from the MCU (Control Board U6) pin 25, and should be +5v
> under normal conditions, but pulses to zero when the K2 sends data.
>
> If you find KPA100 U4 pin 12 at 5 volts while pin 5 is going negative,
> then replace U4.
> OTOH, if U4 pin 12 is at zero volts, suspect the K2 MCU or some problem
> on the signal line between those points.
> As a quick check on whether the base K2 or KPA100 is pulling that signal
> to zero, remove the KPA100 ribbon cable, then power the base K2 and see
> whether CB U6 pin 25 goes to +5v with the ribbon cable removed.  If it
> stays at 0 volts, remove the MCU and make a resistance measurement on U6
> pin 25 to make sure it is not shorted - if you read a high resistance,
> replace the MCU IC.
>
> The most likely symptom if the KSB2 board has been damaged from plugging
> in a serial cable is that you could have damaged  either the KSB2 MCU
> (AUXBUS line), or Q1 (high voltage on the VRFDET line or the ALC line
> can do damage).
>
> Note that if you were previously connecting the USB to serial adapter
> directly to the KPA100 AUX I/O connector, it may be possible that no
> damage would occur *if* the voltage out of the adapter did not exceed 5
> volts and never went negative.  In the PC world of short RS-232
> signalling, some try to "get away' with those levels, where a real
> serial card will typically have voltages in excess of +/-12 volts.
> So if you did not previously use the special cable, you will need to
> build one - the instructions are in the KPA100 manual page 60.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/22/2015 4:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, maybe you can help me determine what areas to focus on in the
> > repair.  Here's what I know:
> >
> > 1. The RF chokes RFC6-9 are all intact.
> > 2. The ALC is functioning properly - the power control properly
> > controls the output
> > 3. U1 in the KPS-100 appears to be functioning as the relays are being
> > activated at the right time as I switch through the bands.
> > 4. Data sent from Hyperterminal through the USB/serial converter to
> > the K2 shows up on Pin 6 of the KPA-100 U4 (the Max1706) and can be
> > seen at pin 26 of the K2 MCU (U6).  But, the K2 doesn't act on the
> > commands that are  sent.
> > 5. The voltage on pin 5 of U4 (MAX1406) is -15.4 VDC, seems that
> > indicates U4 is toast?
> >
> > I haven't observed any other problems.  I found the document written
> > by Gary Surrency and Tom Hammond regarding this situation.  Which
> > leads me to some questions:
> >
> > 1.  Reference is made to possible damage to the KSB2.  Do you know
> > what the symptom would be in that case?
> > 2.  Apparently, any damage to the MCU IC might be isolated to just the
> > input from the interface - pin 26.  I say that because everything else
> > appears to function normally.  Are you aware of anything else I might
> > check for regarding the MCU function?
> >
> > 73, Floyd
> >
> >
> > On 8/22/2015 3:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> Anyone who has purchased a used K2 needs to take notice, lest it
> >> happen to you too.
> >>
> >> That connector is marked AUX I/O for exactly that reason, it is not a
> >> computer RS-232 connector even though it contains TXD, RXD and signal
> >> ground.  As a result, one must always use the special cable that is
> >> built as part of the KPA100 to connect to a computer serial port.
> >>
> >> You are not likely to have damaged anything in the KPA100 when
> >> connecting a standard serial cable to the K2, although KPA100 U6 may
> >> have a damaged output at pin 6, and the inductors located just behind
> >> the DE-9 connector should be checked for continuity.
> >> The TXD and RXD signals in the serial cable will connect to U4 just
> >> the same as if the special cable were used.
> >>
> >> You could have also damaged the computer serial port because pin 1
> >> was grounded by the K2.
> >>
> >> You will find most of the damage will be in the base K2.
> >> Internal signals AUXBUS and VRFDET could have caused the MCU IC to be
> >> damaged as well as the KSB2.
> >> The fact that the 8R voltage rail appears on that connector, that may
> >> have caused further damage.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >
> >
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Aug 22 19:24:50 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
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Hi Floyd,

I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used. 
Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an 
RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard 
RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both 
serial control AND several control functions.

The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things 
besides RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard 
defines voltage levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those 
levels.

I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is 
open the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors, 
study the specs, and study the operating instructions.

73, Jim K9YC



On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the 
> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an 
> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're 
> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user 
> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before 
> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the 
> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45 
> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like this. 


From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 22 20:17:18 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:17:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>
	<55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net> <55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>

It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking the 
Easy way out.
There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate any 
Misunderstanding. 

Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate the 
"gotchas".

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair

Hi Floyd,

I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used. 
Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an
RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both
serial control AND several control functions.

The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things besides
RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard defines voltage
levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those levels.

I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is open
the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors, study the
specs, and study the operating instructions.

73, Jim K9YC



On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the 
> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an 
> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're 
> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user 
> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before 
> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the 
> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45 
> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like this.

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From ai6ii at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 20:20:04 2015
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:20:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 1.34/SVGA 1.21 BETA Firmware available
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Turns out it was my Xfinity hardware firewall. Didn't know it had changed.
All is good now. ;>)  ..mike  AI6II



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From floyd at k8ac.net  Sat Aug 22 20:21:58 2015
From: floyd at k8ac.net (K8AC)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:21:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
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Hi Jim.  Well, when this incident occurred, I was deep into working on 
an associated software problem and needed to quickly try the PC serial 
port directly.  I agree with you comment about reading the manual and in 
fact I did so just a couple of weeks back when I acquired this unit.  
Unfortunately, at my age, I don't always recall 100% of what I read.  
Now that I have this problem, of course I remember reading all about 
needing the special cable

But, I disagree regarding the use of the DB9 connector on the K2. Having 
worked on tons of gear with communications ports, I've never run into 
one that purportedly used an RS232 interface, but would self-destruct if 
a real RS232 interface were attached.  The KPA-100 manual clearly 
describes it as an RS232 interface and the schematic has it labeled as 
such.  If it doesn't support RS232 voltage levels, then it isn't an 
RS232 interface in my book.  And I know that there are devices that use 
a DB9 connector but are not RS232 compliant, but that isn't the issue here.

In the document that Gary Surrency and Tom Hammond wrote on the subject 
several years ago, they clearly pointed out the need for a more 
prominent label warning of the possible consequences of connecting the 
wrong cable.  Had I seen such a warning, I'd have remembered the reason 
for it and would have avoided the problem. At any rate, the worst result 
should be a failure to communicate and not the destruction of several 
important components in the unit.  Having read many of your writings, I 
doubt that you'd have ever designed something with that sort of risk 
involved.

When I get everything working again, I plan to document in detail what 
fails, how to determine if it had failed and what to do about it.  
Current documentation on that is rather lacking and I'll bet that there 
are scores of K2s out there with the same problem.

73, Floyd - K8AC


On 8/22/2015 7:26 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Hi Floyd,
>
> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.
> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an
> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both
> serial control AND several control functions.
>
> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things
> besides RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard
> defines voltage levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those
> levels.
>
> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is
> open the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors,
> study the specs, and study the operating instructions.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>





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From plambert at qa.com.au  Sat Aug 22 20:25:42 2015
From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:25:42 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help
In-Reply-To: <000501d0dd2a$08a8a7a0$19f9f6e0$@myfairpoint.net>
References: <000501d0dd2a$08a8a7a0$19f9f6e0$@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <003201d0dd3a$41379df0$c3a6d9d0$@qa.com.au>

Hello Thaire,

Could you share this fix please ?.

73's Peter VK4JD

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Thaire
Bryant
Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2015 8:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 help

Thank you all for your suggestions.  Wayne got back to me immediately (even
with a 9 hour time difference) and in two emails

Had the problem diagnosed and I was able to make a repair.  Issue was 2M
module I had just installed.  I operated with a swiss

army knife and am back in business!  

 

I love this company and this radio!

 

73,

Thaire  W2APF

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug 22 20:31:44 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:31:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
Message-ID: <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>

The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now that's 
different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a 
DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there is what 
appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to 
provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not a 
VGA video connector".

Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before 
plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.  
It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/22/2015 7:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking the
> Easy way out.
> There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate any
> Misunderstanding.
>
> Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate the
> "gotchas".
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>
> Hi Floyd,
>
> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.
> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an
> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both
> serial control AND several control functions.
>
> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things besides
> RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard defines voltage
> levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those levels.
>
> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is open
> the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors, study the
> specs, and study the operating instructions.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the
>> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an
>> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're
>> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user
>> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before
>> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the
>> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45
>> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like this.
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Aug 22 20:47:45 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:47:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Problem Solved!!!!
In-Reply-To: <15701648-D2EC-4231-A3C8-D241E11763E1@gmail.com>
References: <19735156.758763.1440200780610.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net>
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On 08/22/2015 02:49 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Glad it works, but this is strange. I always do firmware updates with the P3 in line.

The one time that doesn't work is if the K3 is in manual 
firmware-download mode, perhaps due to a failure of a previous download. 
  For that, the P3 should be bypassed.  The easiest way to ensure that 
is to unplug its power connector.

Alan N1AL


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sat Aug 22 20:59:26 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:59:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
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Most of us built our K2/KPA100/KAT100 way back; 
that was the only way you could buy them, not 
factory-built nor factory-assembled. That did 
require that we apply the "fine tooth comb" 
approach to the manual, since we soldered every 
connection to every part. As a result I'm still, 
12 years or so after building my KPA100, aware of 
the issue.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/22/15 5:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking the
> Easy way out.
> There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate any
> Misunderstanding.
>
> Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate the
> "gotchas".
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>
> Hi Floyd,
>
> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.
> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an
> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both
> serial control AND several control functions.
>
> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things besides
> RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard defines voltage
> levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those levels.
>
> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is open
> the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors, study the
> specs, and study the operating instructions.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the
>> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an
>> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're
>> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user
>> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before
>> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the
>> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45
>> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like this.


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 22 21:33:26 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:33:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
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The RJ-45 connector is now defined in the RS-232 standard, as is the 
DE-9 and DB-25.
Of course, Ethernet also uses the RJ-45 connector, as do multi-line 
telephone sets.  Those are *not* interchangeable functions.  You would 
not want to plug an RJ-45 RS-232 cable into your RJ-45 ethernet router 
jack or into your multi-line telephone system.
Make no assumptions about connectors, for they are a "just a connector".

Another example:
The older PCs used the DB-25 for a printer port.  How do you tell the 
difference between a printer port and a 25 pin serial port connector? - 
you refer to the manual for the device in question and look for a 
clearly defined label.
At our church, there is a sound console that has a DB-25 connector - 
should I assume that is a printer port, or a serial port just because 
those are connectors commonly used for those applications - of course 
not - the connector on the sound console is for expansion devices.

So, know what you are plugging into before connecting cables (even if 
they fit) - if it is labeled as RS-232, then plug away, but if it is 
labeled with anything different, check the manual before plugging.  That 
fact goes for any device with a connector, it is not just for the K2.

As another parallel, RCA jacks are used for many purposes - antenna 
connections, audio connections, and yes even power connections. Would 
you plug anything into an RCA jack assuming it was an audio connector 
without carefully heeding the label or referring to the equipment manual?

A connector is "just a connector".  Just because it looks like the 
connector in one piece of gear that you happen to be familiar with does 
not mean it serves the same purpose on everything else.  Take DIN 
connectors as an example - they are common on many pieces of ham gear.  
Why would one assume that a 6 pin DIN connector on a Yaesu transceiver 
has the same pinout as that on an Icom.  I hope I have made my point and 
will belabor it no more.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2015 8:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now 
> that's different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one 
> end and a DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there 
> is what appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector 
> to provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not 
> a VGA video connector".
>
> Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before 
> plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.  
> It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 22 21:38:42 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
Message-ID: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>

Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.

Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA


From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 21:45:47 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:45:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Weekly SSB Net Announcement
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP4-7+BdQRd+JOM+Qffz=QQGVLbAOybxsx6OVPNL5O0enw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

The weekly Elecraft SSB net will take place Sunday, August 23, at 18:00
UTC, on 14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from the suburbs north of
Atlanta, GA. Hopefully band conditions will be better than they've been the
last couple of weeks.

Talk to everyone tomorrow.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 22:11:34 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:11:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
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>From here for me as a sample of one, it's a winner to actually listen
to my split transmit frequency leaving the main RX tuned to the DX.
Using diversity on 160/80/40 to hear really weak ones is remarkable.
So I'd go with the SubRX first. But that's just MY answer, there are a
thousand variations.

More than that, I think being confined to "either/or" is a loser.
There are keen advantages and usefulnesses to one not served by the
other. Kind of like shall I buy four tires or a steering wheel for my
car. I have both. I have the P3SVGA because the significantly
increased definition is useful to me for a more detailed display of
technical aspects of signals. Also, it's useful in contests in ways
the smaller display doesn't show nearly as well (again MY personal
impressions).

In the end the answer, like a lot of your other posed questions, is
really a *very* personal question with very individual answers. No
simple answers, not really. It's your budget, your druthers.

Best thing is to go somewhere someone has one and operate them
yourself, even if that is a three hour drive, and significantly
inconvenient. Make your decision based on what *YOU* saw and heard.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:38 PM,  <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> wrote:
> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 22 23:12:16 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:12:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55D93A10.3050705@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

If you are used to a single receiver without a panadapter, then you are 
used to using your ears.
So, I would suggest that the SubRX would be the first choice for DX 
operation.  You can monitor the DX frequency in one ear and the pileup 
in the other - tuning a bit should reveal the station that the DX is 
currently working.  You can then decide your best transmit frequency, 
and the timing of your call.

OTOH, if you are used to using a panadapter and are adept at visually 
determining the station the DX is working, then the P3 may suit your 
needs better.

Of course, having both is a great advantage, but I understand if your 
budget must restrict your initial choice to one or the other.

What I am saying is to expand on your current operating experience. 
Doing a "quantum leap" to something you are not now familiar with may 
not be the best solution for you.  We all respond differently to 
stimulus, so consider what you are familiar with.  The K3 can enhance 
your horizons, but it is an easier learning curve if you do it gradually 
rather than in one giant step.

The greatest thing about Elecraft is that you can add these things 
incrementally - you do not have to decide on the "best package" at the 
start.  Begin where you think is the best minimum package for you, and 
add to that after you have experience and budget to take advantage of 
other options to add to your operating enjoyment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/22/2015 9:38 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 23 00:14:49 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:14:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
Message-ID: <55D948B9.90009@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,8/22/2015 5:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking the Easy way out. There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate any Misunderstanding.

I see it quite differently. The K2 was a kit, designed to be built by 
mere mortals, not machines. The DB-series connectors are widely 
available from good industrial sources and are easy to work on. There's 
also the matter of panel real estate. Yes, there are other connectors, 
but I can't think of a decent alternative that fits the above objectives.

73, Jim K9YC

From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 23 00:28:39 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:28:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D948B9.90009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>
	<55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
	<55D948B9.90009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <001201d0dd5c$30200940$90601bc0$@net>

You say Tomato, I say Tomatoe.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:15 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair

On Sat,8/22/2015 5:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking
the Easy way out. There are numerous other connectors that could be used to
alleviate any Misunderstanding.

I see it quite differently. The K2 was a kit, designed to be built by mere
mortals, not machines. The DB-series connectors are widely available from
good industrial sources and are easy to work on. There's also the matter of
panel real estate. Yes, there are other connectors, but I can't think of a
decent alternative that fits the above objectives.

73, Jim K9YC
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From fishflorida at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 00:31:46 2015
From: fishflorida at gmail.com (Mickey Baker)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
	<55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>

RJ45 is commonly used for RS232C. Millions of Cisco routers and switches built over the past 20+ years use this arrangement, as do many other devices. I have a half dozen of these cables - they once were shipped with the router. Although I don't know for sure, I'll bet the pinout is the same as Cisco. 

I can make up 10 RJ45 connectors in the time it takes to make a soldered DB9. 

Historically, RS232 was used in electromagnetic applications where there was a need to drive a relay with line levels. Since modern equipment doesn't need this - since TTL became commonplace in the 1970's - and since many lower power devices no longer have 12V power supplies, it has been practice to observe a ONE state at a voltage of 3V+. 

If you really want some detail, check out the data sheet on your favorite RS232 driver chip. Here's an example:
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/11801afb.pdf

73,

Mickey N4MB

> On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now that's different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there is what appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not a VGA video connector".
> 
> Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.  It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/22/2015 7:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is taking the
>> Easy way out.
>> There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate any
>> Misunderstanding.
>> 
>> Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate the
>> "gotchas".
>> 
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Brown
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>> 
>> Hi Floyd,
>> 
>> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.
>> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT an
>> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
>> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides both
>> serial control AND several control functions.
>> 
>> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things besides
>> RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard defines voltage
>> levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those levels.
>> 
>> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is open
>> the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various connectors, study the
>> specs, and study the operating instructions.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>>> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the
>>> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an
>>> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're
>>> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user
>>> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before
>>> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the
>>> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45
>>> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like this.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 23 00:35:57 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <001201d0dd5c$30200940$90601bc0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>
	<55D948B9.90009@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001201d0dd5c$30200940$90601bc0$@net>
Message-ID: <55D94DAD.6050504@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,8/22/2015 9:28 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> You say Tomato, I say Tomatoe.

My Dad, who was from Ipswich, MA, said tomatoe. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From jh3sif at sumaq.jp  Sun Aug 23 00:52:15 2015
From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:52:15 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <46FD46F6-2D5A-4BF4-A8AF-DB97F5C81430@sumaq.jp>

I got the SubRX first as a must item for DXing with K3, because I have another TRX with dual receiver capability. One of my friends got P3 and has repeatedly talked about P3 how it has excellently and effectively worked on chasing DX stations. Almost one year from having got my K3, I decided to add P3 to my K3. Now, my K3 with both the SubRX and P3 is my main gear for DXing.
I would suggest to have the SubRX first. Of course, having both is the best.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith


2015/08/23 10:38?<ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com> ??????:

> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
> 
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA
> 
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From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 23 01:21:32 2015
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com>
	<55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net>	<55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
	<CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net>

Not to flog this horse any further, but I direct you to page 85 of the K2 
Manual where the DB-9 connector is labeled ..."RS-232 and AUX I/O"... .

Is it RS-232 or not ??? Is it mis-labeled ???? 

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mickey
Baker
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:32 PM
To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair

RJ45 is commonly used for RS232C. Millions of Cisco routers and switches
built over the past 20+ years use this arrangement, as do many other
devices. I have a half dozen of these cables - they once were shipped with
the router. Although I don't know for sure, I'll bet the pinout is the same
as Cisco. 

I can make up 10 RJ45 connectors in the time it takes to make a soldered
DB9. 

Historically, RS232 was used in electromagnetic applications where there was
a need to drive a relay with line levels. Since modern equipment doesn't
need this - since TTL became commonplace in the 1970's - and since many
lower power devices no longer have 12V power supplies, it has been practice
to observe a ONE state at a voltage of 3V+. 

If you really want some detail, check out the data sheet on your favorite
RS232 driver chip. Here's an example:
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/11801afb.pdf

73,

Mickey N4MB

> On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:
> 
> The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now that's
different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a
DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there is what appears
to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to provide band data
and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not a VGA video connector".
> 
> Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before plugging
or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.  It seems most
hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/22/2015 7:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is 
>> taking the Easy way out.
>> There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate 
>> any Misunderstanding.
>> 
>> Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate 
>> the "gotchas".
>> 
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Jim Brown
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>> 
>> Hi Floyd,
>> 
>> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.
>> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT 
>> an
>> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard
>> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides 
>> both serial control AND several control functions.
>> 
>> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things 
>> besides RS232.  It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard 
>> defines voltage levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those
levels.
>> 
>> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is 
>> open the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various 
>> connectors, study the specs, and study the operating instructions.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:
>>> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the 
>>> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an 
>>> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're 
>>> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used.  A user 
>>> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before 
>>> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the 
>>> conventional way.  Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45 
>>> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like
this.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From aj4tf at arrl.net  Sun Aug 23 01:41:21 2015
From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:41:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
	<55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1440308481408-7606603.post@n2.nabble.com>

Bob,
Crimped connections are superior to soldered connections in a high
vibration, high stress environment. 
The solder will fracture after exposure to vibration and/or temperature
cycles. With a proper crimp tool
(not the one from Harbor Freight!) the resistance of a proper crimped
connection will be no higher than 
that of a soldered connection.   The TE/Amp PROIII hand crimp tool is $213
at Digikey...The Amphenol 
hex die crimper for RG-8, RG213, etc. is $112.

But, soldered connections are fine for a ham shack.

de AJ4TF 






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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 04:33:46 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:33:46 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net> <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
	<CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>
	<000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net>
Message-ID: <etPan.55d9856a.6b3d5e6.220@mbp13.lan>

Some of the pins on the AUX I/O connector meet parts of the RS232 spec, but other of the pins are used for an elecraft proprietary expansion interface. So, from an electrical perspective you can say it is actually a mix of both RS232 (partial) and AUX I/O. From a physical connector perspective, it is definitely not RS232, which is why you need to make an isolation/breakout cable.

This is explained in the KIO2 manual. The main K2 manual doesn?t really seem to emphasize the point that severe damage can result if you connect this port directly to the serial port on a PC without making up an appropriate isolation/breakout cable. Due to the potentially serious consequences, I would have thought a warning in the main manual would be appropriate.

--?
73 de Matt VK2RQ

Le 23 ao?t 2015 ? 3:22:23 PM, Richard W. Solomon (w1ksz at earthlink.net) a ?crit:

Not to flog this horse any further, but I direct you to page 85 of the K2  
Manual where the DB-9 connector is labeled ..."RS-232 and AUX I/O"... .  

Is it RS-232 or not ??? Is it mis-labeled ????  

73, Dick, W1KSZ  

-----Original Message-----  
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mickey  
Baker  
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:32 PM  
To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX  
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net  
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair  

RJ45 is commonly used for RS232C. Millions of Cisco routers and switches  
built over the past 20+ years use this arrangement, as do many other  
devices. I have a half dozen of these cables - they once were shipped with  
the router. Although I don't know for sure, I'll bet the pinout is the same  
as Cisco.  

I can make up 10 RJ45 connectors in the time it takes to make a soldered  
DB9.  

Historically, RS232 was used in electromagnetic applications where there was  
a need to drive a relay with line levels. Since modern equipment doesn't  
need this - since TTL became commonplace in the 1970's - and since many  
lower power devices no longer have 12V power supplies, it has been practice  
to observe a ONE state at a voltage of 3V+.  

If you really want some detail, check out the data sheet on your favorite  
RS232 driver chip. Here's an example:  
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/11801afb.pdf  

73,  

Mickey N4MB  

> On Aug 22, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>  
wrote:  
>  
> The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications. Now that's  
different! Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a  
DB-9F on the other. And then to keep everybody happy, there is what appears  
to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to provide band data  
and such. The manual clearly states "This is not a VGA video connector".  
>  
> Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before plugging  
or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today. It seems most  
hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.  
>  
> 73  
> Bob, K4TAX  
> K3S s/n 10,163  
>  
>> On 8/22/2015 7:17 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:  
>> It seems to me that using a DB-9 connector for non-RS232 uses is  
>> taking the Easy way out.  
>> There are numerous other connectors that could be used to alleviate  
>> any Misunderstanding.  
>>  
>> Not everyone goes through manuals with a fine tooth comb to locate  
>> the "gotchas".  
>>  
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----  
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of  
>> Jim Brown  
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 4:25 PM  
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net  
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair  
>>  
>> Hi Floyd,  
>>  
>> I've owned and operated a pair of K2s, both of which I bought used.  
>> Elecraft makes it very clear that the DB9 connector on the K2 is NOT  
>> an  
>> RS232 interface, that it is not RS232 compliant, and that a standard  
>> RS232 cable should NOT be used. Rather, the DB9 connector provides  
>> both serial control AND several control functions.  
>>  
>> The DB9 connector is a generic part, and can be used for many things  
>> besides RS232. It is also well known that while the RS232 Standard  
>> defines voltage levels, MANY modern products produce far less than those  
levels.  
>>  
>> I've owned a lot of gear in my lifetime, and the first thing I do is  
>> open the manual, study it, study the wiring of the various  
>> connectors, study the specs, and study the operating instructions.  
>>  
>> 73, Jim K9YC  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On Sat,8/22/2015 1:28 PM, Floyd Sense wrote:  
>>> Hi Don. I'm sure you're aware that the RS232 spec includes the  
>>> description of voltage levels, and if you're going to refer to an  
>>> interface as RS232 (as Elecraft does in many places) then you're  
>>> implying that the normal RS232 signal levels will be used. A user  
>>> shouldn't be required to read a one hundred page manual before  
>>> plugging in a connector when every other such connector works in the  
>>> conventional way. Having been a designer using RS232 interfaces 45  
>>> years ago, I would have been executed had I designed something like  
this.  
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From Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA  Sun Aug 23 04:36:53 2015
From: Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA (Ellam, Timothy St. J.)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:36:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for Sale
Message-ID: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B36C4BAD4@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal>

Reposting this with an adjusted price.

s/n3334. Elecraft K3 in perfect condition with the following options:
KRX3 Sub receiver,
K3DVR Digital Voice Recorder,
KAT3 Antenna Tuner,
KXV3A,
MH2 Microphone.
KFL3A- 2.7 KHz filters in both the main and sub receiver,
KFL3A-1.8 KHz filter in the main receiver,
KFL3A- 500Khz filters in the main and sub receivers.
New aftermarket metal VFO knobs ( 73CNC-chrome insert) for VFO A and B ( not installed)
Updated by Elecraft in 12/12 for installation of the KRX3, KXV3A and KAT3 and LPA Heat sink, 8 volt regulator mod, KSYN3 DDS mod.
$2975 shipped in US and Canada.

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From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Aug 23 06:32:11 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
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Lets end the thread at this time in the interest of reducing list overload for others.

73,

Eric
List Moderator, from time to time..
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:41 AM, aj4tf <aj4tf at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> Crimped connections are superior to soldered connections in a high
> vibration, high stress environment. 
> The solder will fracture after exposure to vibration and/or temperature
> cycles. With a proper crimp tool
> (not the one from Harbor Freight!) the resistance of a proper crimped
> connection will be no higher than 
> that of a soldered connection.   The TE/Amp PROIII hand crimp tool is $213
> at Digikey...The Amphenol 
> hex die crimper for RG-8, RG213, etc. is $112.
> 
> But, soldered connections are fine for a ham shack.
> 
> de AJ4TF 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From k2mk at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 06:43:09 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 03:43:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
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Hi Jerry,

There's 
A. casual DXing
B. contesting
C. casual split pile-up chasing
D. die-hard split pile-up chasing

For A you don't need either
For B you should consider the P3
For C you should consider the Sub RX
For D you should order both immediately

If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
turned off most of the time.

73,
Mike K2MK


ae4pb wrote
> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be
> CW
> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been
> suggested
> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't
> be
> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
> 
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA





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From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 07:01:45 2015
From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:01:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
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What would be a normal value on the FP voltage display when tx at 100W,
using factory fused cables? No sub installed.

PS is Astron VS-35M linear, voltage set at 13.9 idling per FP display.
drops to 11.1 on TX.  Current varies but up to 15.5A indicated. Specs call
for 17-22A tx @100W.

I suspect bad pass transistor and/or high drop over fuses, but want to
establish normal indication for tx drop.  11.1v seems way out.

tnx in advance

-- 
de AB1VL
NAQCC #6799

ab1vl.com

I know it's a late reply but I too experienced similar (large) voltage drops
with my first K3.
(Serial number in the 4000's and with all options but the KRX3)
It turns out it had dry joints on the main power input connectors on its
motherboard. 
(In fact, It had NO SOLDER AT ALL on the connections between the Anderson
plugs and the motherboard.)
They were found by its second owner when they investigated the low voltage
issues.
I had been grumbling about the voltage drop on here ever for some time after
I purchased the factory built K3 only to get the "It must be the leads"
claptrap all the time from folks on this reflector.

I almost didn't buy my second K3 because of it, I wasn't a happy camper to
say the least.
One of these days I will update my current K3, but I supposed I better
figure out how to turn it on, it's been over 12 months since I've used it.
:D




-----
Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
Innisfail, QLD, Australia.
K3 #4767

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From ka5s at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 23 07:45:13 2015
From: ka5s at earthlink.net (CR)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 07:45:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25230.1440216765.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.25230.1440216765.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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On 8/21/2015 9:03 PM, Ken Kopp - K0PP wrote:
> Bird accuracy is specified to be ? 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
> element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level.  Take a look
> at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the most
> accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better for
> measuring 100W.

I've a few wattmeters myself, of various makes and accuracy -- no Birds 
--but if I want ACCURACY I use 40dB directional couplers with additional 
attenuation into  a spectrum analyzer or a 'scope.  I generally leave a 
scope and counter on line for the two main radios in use, with two 
directional couplers feeding a 2-way hybrid, which lets me monitor 
power, flat-topping and frequency all at once. Still need to get the GPS 
disciplined oscillator running, and as I get my brain back (don't ask) 
I'll get that done.

Note on 'scopes: If all you need one for is setting output safely below 
distortion level, you don't need  $$; the cracked-graticule 15 MHz,  
flea-market, Leader scope I left at the Lowell (MI) ARC station is good 
enough reading across a Cantenna.

Cortland Richmond
KA5S

From lists at subich.com  Sun Aug 23 08:00:19 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:00:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
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On 8/23/2015 1:21 AM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> Not to flog this horse any further, but I direct you to page 85 of the K2
> Manual where the DB-9 connector is labeled ..."RS-232 and AUX I/O"... .
>
> Is it RS-232 or not ??? Is it mis-labeled ????

RS-232 defines voltage levels (a bi-polar system greater than +3V or
less than -3V).  It *does not define a connector*.  The K2 Manual is
*entirely consistent* in saying RS-232 and Aux I/O ... the CAT pins
(2,3 & 5) are RS-232 levels, the others associated with Aux I/O (ALC, 
Aux Bus, RF, +12, and 8R) are not.

Perhaps the DB connector associated with the KIO2 could be more artfully
described as "Auxiliary I/O" or Auxiliary I/O including RS-232 control
but the "RS-232 and AUX I/O" label is technically accurate.

73,

... Joe, W4TV




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 08:37:02 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:37:02 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
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References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1440326589297-7606607.post@n2.nabble.com>
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If you are dealing with JA pileups, you only need a P3 because only the station that has been called by the DX will answer.
With EU pileups you will also need a subrx because everyone will be calling all the time.
USA pileups are in between.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Mike K2MK <k2mk at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> There's 
> A. casual DXing
> B. contesting
> C. casual split pile-up chasing
> D. die-hard split pile-up chasing
> 
> For A you don't need either
> For B you should consider the P3
> For C you should consider the Sub RX
> For D you should order both immediately
> 
> If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
> fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
> turned off most of the time.
> 
> 73,
> Mike K2MK
> 
> 
> ae4pb wrote
>> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be
>> CW
>> with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been
>> suggested
>> that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
>> rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't
>> be
>> getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
>> 
>> Jerry Moore
>> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA
> 

From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Aug 23 09:32:50 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:32:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>

Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is
at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries
with which I have worked:  Many lives have been saved since general
aviation airframe manufacturers sized fuel filler ports, or required
retrofit port restrictors, so that turbine fuel physically could not be
loaded into tanks feeding a gasoline engine.  Line boys, as they?re
called, are no more or less cautious than the rest of us, but the theme is
that people make mistakes so the systems in which they work should be
engineered to prevent those mistakes or to prevent them from doing any
harm.  Ditto in medicine.  Patient safety was significantly advanced when
the oxygen and the anesthetic gas fittings were made different enough that
oxygen couldn?t come from anything but the oxygen supply (e.g.
noninterchangeable screw threads).  Patient safety gurus have also
insisted that wrist bands used in every hospital everywhere not only have
standard language, but also standard colors so that, in a rush, a band
announcing an allergy (red) couldn?t be confused for a DNR (purple) even
though the words on each are clear.  And crash carts should be in exactly
the same place in every hospital ward.  Until very recently some surgeons
marked an X on a limb to mean cut this side, while others marked it to
mean don?t cut this side.  You can guess about the injuries which that
lack of a standard system caused.  I?ll wager the same is true in other
industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.  I
don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific
suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.

Ted, KN1CBR


>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:31:44 -0500
>From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>Message-ID: <55D91470.2070306 at blomand.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now that's
>different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a
>DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there is what
>appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to
>provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not a
>VGA video connector".
>
>Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before
>plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.
>It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
>
>73
>Bob, K4TAX
>K3S s/n 10,163
>


From rglorioso at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 09:46:50 2015
From: rglorioso at comcast.net (W1IS)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:46:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
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I use my Sub-receiver ALL THE TIME in Diversity mode.  If you haven't used
diversity, you are truly missing something.  I also use my P3 all the time. 
Can't live without either.

Bob
W1IS



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From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Aug 23 10:33:20 2015
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
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	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Message-ID: <55D9D9B0.70005@mediacombb.net>

Exactly!

On 8/22/2015 7:31 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now 
> that's different!   Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one 
> end and a DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there 
> is what appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector 
> to provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not 
> a VGA video connector".
>
> Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before 
> plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.  
> It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163

-- 
R. Kevin Stover
AC0H
ARRL
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441


From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net  Sun Aug 23 10:42:12 2015
From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <55D9B5D3.90806@subich.com>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net> <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
	<CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>
	<000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net> <55D9B5D3.90806@subich.com>
Message-ID: <55D9DBC4.1000207@mediacombb.net>

Exactly!

On 8/23/2015 7:00 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 8/23/2015 1:21 AM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>> Not to flog this horse any further, but I direct you to page 85 of 
>> the K2
>> Manual where the DB-9 connector is labeled ..."RS-232 and AUX I/O"... .
>>
>> Is it RS-232 or not ??? Is it mis-labeled ????
>
> RS-232 defines voltage levels (a bi-polar system greater than +3V or
> less than -3V).  It *does not define a connector*.  The K2 Manual is
> *entirely consistent* in saying RS-232 and Aux I/O ... the CAT pins
> (2,3 & 5) are RS-232 levels, the others associated with Aux I/O (ALC, 
> Aux Bus, RF, +12, and 8R) are not.
>
> Perhaps the DB connector associated with the KIO2 could be more artfully
> described as "Auxiliary I/O" or Auxiliary I/O including RS-232 control
> but the "RS-232 and AUX I/O" label is technically accurate.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 23 10:55:46 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D74A41.6060508@subich.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com>
Message-ID: <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>

For those that might have a more or less interest in various 
products.........

Why not a K3/K3S reflector?
Why not a P3 reflector?
Why not a KX3 reflector?
Why not a K2 reflector?

and so on.

At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate 
automatically the "not interested" items.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163




From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 23 10:59:15 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:59:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <1440326589297-7606607.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1440326589297-7606607.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <015201d0ddb4$481c9970$d855cc50$@carolinaheli.com>

I like the way you split it up.
I fit mostly under A/C, I'd like to think I would never get into D unless
I'm relying on the spotting cluster rather than dialing and listening.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
K2MK
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 6:43 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?

Hi Jerry,

There's
A. casual DXing
B. contesting
C. casual split pile-up chasing
D. die-hard split pile-up chasing

For A you don't need either
For B you should consider the P3
For C you should consider the Sub RX
For D you should order both immediately

If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
turned off most of the time.

73,
Mike K2MK


ae4pb wrote
> Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will 
> be CW with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's 
> been suggested that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. 
> I'm starting to rethink that and just wondering which is the most 
> useful for DX? I won't be getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it 
> pre-owned and need it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)
> 
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA





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From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Aug 23 11:07:10 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <91A4B9346F5E415F83C4F0A17994F935@Paramount>

Whilst much of this may be true, it certainly isn't the case in the
electronics industries (including Ham Radio) no matter how much we would
wish it.

A classic case is the 2.3mm power input plug (which is really a line socket)
which is used on radios, power tool chargers, cell phones, laptop PCs and
just about every wall wart in existence! When we pull the new appliance out
of its box along with its charger, it's a fair assumption that the charger
will be the correct voltage and it will work and cause no damage. If the
charger dies and we have to source a new one, we expect the manufacturer to
provide the correct device, PROVIDED that we quote the correct model number.
If we go to an alternative supplier, WE are expected to check the voltage
and current requirement and order accordingly. If we don't do that we are
inherently STUPID! Remember in all this, the plug on the end of the wire is
the SAME, it's use is not. We may also find that the polarity has been
reversed on one particular model and what we thought was positive center, is
no longer the case. This IS the case for some commercially built Ham Radio
rigs and for some musical keyboards, to name but two. It is up to US the
USER to check before plugging it in and if we don't we are again STUPID! All
this for one style of connector with only two connections - wow!!!

I've seen 5 pin DIN plugs used on Ham Radio rigs, I also use EXACTLY the
same plug for MIDI on musical instruments. They are wired differently, the
voltages, currents and signals are different and if I presumed that I could
simply interchange the plugs, I would consider myself very STUPID!

I would prefer Elecraft to have NOT used the same connector for RS232 and
for AUX, for one reason only. In a moment of stupidity (yes I have them) I
could absent-mindedly plug the wrong connector into one or more orifice.
However, Elecraft obviously did not know that I have these moments of
silliness, so have chosen to not attempt to save me from myself. This leaves
me with three choices: 1) Don't buy the radio. 2) Buy the radio and modify
it to a non-(Elecraft)-standard connector. 3) Buy the radio and RTFM -
thoroughly!

C'mon guys, if you've bought a kit (even a solderless kit) and you consider
yourself capable of successfully assembling it, doesn't it tend to prove
that you are two things at least - 1) You can read and follow instructions.
2) You are not the average appliance operator.

As Radio Hams who have been to "Radio Ham School", I really hope that the
above two qualities truly apply.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dauer, Edward
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:32 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is
at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries
with which I have worked:......................................... 


From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 11:22:24 2015
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <91A4B9346F5E415F83C4F0A17994F935@Paramount>
References: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<91A4B9346F5E415F83C4F0A17994F935@Paramount>
Message-ID: <8A4FD115-E060-4CCB-904A-9D0F130B7C7D@gmail.com>

My wife came to me a long time ago with a broken iRobot product.  She confused the power plugs -easy to do, they both said iRobot and had the same plugs?
One was AC and one was DC.
If I recall, I had to replace a diode in the broken iRobot.
I used  RED and YELLOW tape on the unit and plug from that time on.

Frank KG9H


> On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:07 AM, G4GNX <G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Whilst much of this may be true, it certainly isn't the case in the
> electronics industries (including Ham Radio) no matter how much we would
> wish it.
> 
> A classic case is the 2.3mm power input plug (which is really a line socket)
> which is used on radios, power tool chargers, cell phones, laptop PCs and
> just about every wall wart in existence! When we pull the new appliance out
> of its box along with its charger, it's a fair assumption that the charger
> will be the correct voltage and it will work and cause no damage. If the
> charger dies and we have to source a new one, we expect the manufacturer to
> provide the correct device, PROVIDED that we quote the correct model number.
> If we go to an alternative supplier, WE are expected to check the voltage
> and current requirement and order accordingly. If we don't do that we are
> inherently STUPID! Remember in all this, the plug on the end of the wire is
> the SAME, it's use is not. We may also find that the polarity has been
> reversed on one particular model and what we thought was positive center, is
> no longer the case. This IS the case for some commercially built Ham Radio
> rigs and for some musical keyboards, to name but two. It is up to US the
> USER to check before plugging it in and if we don't we are again STUPID! All
> this for one style of connector with only two connections - wow!!!
> 
> I've seen 5 pin DIN plugs used on Ham Radio rigs, I also use EXACTLY the
> same plug for MIDI on musical instruments. They are wired differently, the
> voltages, currents and signals are different and if I presumed that I could
> simply interchange the plugs, I would consider myself very STUPID!
> 
> I would prefer Elecraft to have NOT used the same connector for RS232 and
> for AUX, for one reason only. In a moment of stupidity (yes I have them) I
> could absent-mindedly plug the wrong connector into one or more orifice.
> However, Elecraft obviously did not know that I have these moments of
> silliness, so have chosen to not attempt to save me from myself. This leaves
> me with three choices: 1) Don't buy the radio. 2) Buy the radio and modify
> it to a non-(Elecraft)-standard connector. 3) Buy the radio and RTFM -
> thoroughly!
> 
> C'mon guys, if you've bought a kit (even a solderless kit) and you consider
> yourself capable of successfully assembling it, doesn't it tend to prove
> that you are two things at least - 1) You can read and follow instructions.
> 2) You are not the average appliance operator.
> 
> As Radio Hams who have been to "Radio Ham School", I really hope that the
> above two qualities truly apply.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Dauer, Edward
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
> 
> Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
> it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is
> at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries
> with which I have worked:......................................... 
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 23 11:25:36 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S DB9 Conn -  If it plugs in,
	then it should work
Message-ID: <015701d0ddb7$f73d5590$e5b800b0$@carolinaheli.com>

I respectfully offer that it's a very good thing Elecraft used a commonly
found connector in their radio designs. One bane of technology is when
manufacturers use a myriad of proprietary connections. The huge advantage
that we have in using common connections is the availability of plugs,
sockets, and cables. The responsibility we have is to always ensure the
connections are as intended. In the case of Elecraft radios with a DB9
connection we CAN use an RS-232 spec cable from the rig to our computer with
the requirement that certain pins or wires be removed/cut/disconnected due
to the nature of the connection. The Beauty of RS-232 is that it's a 3 wire
system. The other connections are typically used for HARDWARE support
(DTS/RTS) and aren't required for RS-232. So out of a DB9 connection we are
left with 6 usable lines. What's a better design, combining purposes into a
common connection where the consumers are technically skilled and educated,
or having 10 extra connections on the back? 

If you were homebrewing the radio how would you build it? I'm betting that
most of us would use single connectors and bundle the functions/features
there. It just makes more sense.

One thing that may help would be to label a warning on the connector if you
may tend to forget that it's not a modem connection, rather, it's a
multi-function DB9 connection.

Just my opinion.
Jerry Moore



From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 23 11:28:58 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:28:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S DB9 Conn -  If it plugs in,
	then it should work
Message-ID: <015f01d0ddb8$6f03b7e0$4d0b27a0$@carolinaheli.com>

I respectfully offer that it's a very good thing Elecraft used a commonly
found connector in their radio designs. One bane of technology is when
manufacturers use a myriad of proprietary connections. The huge advantage
that we have in using common connections is the availability of plugs,
sockets, and cables. The responsibility we have is to always ensure the
connections are as intended. In the case of Elecraft radios with a DB9
connection we CAN use an RS-232 spec cable from the rig to our computer with
the requirement that certain pins or wires be removed/cut/disconnected due
to the nature of the connection. The Beauty of RS-232 is that it's a 3 wire
system. The other connections are typically used for HARDWARE support
(DTS/RTS) and aren't required for RS-232. So out of a DB9 connection we are
left with 6 usable lines. What's a better design, combining purposes into a
common connection where the consumers are technically skilled and educated,
or having 10 extra connections on the back? 

If you were homebrewing the radio how would you build it? I'm betting that
most of us would use single connectors and bundle the functions/features
there. It just makes more sense.

One thing that may help would be to label a warning on the connector if you
may tend to forget that it's not a modem connection, rather, it's a
multi-function DB9 connection.

Just my opinion.
Jerry Moore



From mails at qrp4fun.de  Sun Aug 23 11:30:02 2015
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:30:02 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com>
	<55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55D9E6FA.4070400@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Bob,

> For those that might have a more or less interest in various products.........

Oh no, please, don't do it! There is one (!) list for one (!) product - Elecarft! I also 
own only at the time a K1 and K2, so many topics are rather uninteresting for me. But I am 
also interested in other issues with other products (like antennas, power supply etc.) 
with other products.

> At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate automatically the
> "not interested" items.

Yes, that's the right way!
-- 
73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 11:51:37 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
References: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <55D9EC09.8070907@socal.rr.com>

Then I sure hope no one idly plugs a water hose in 
the the fuel filler port of my car!

I guess all those auto manufacturers need to 
change the designs to prevent that ignorance, too.

Perhaps the K2 is just too challenging (for some) :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/23/15 6:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
> it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is
> at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries
> with which I have worked:  Many lives have been saved since general
> aviation airframe manufacturers sized fuel filler ports, or required
> retrofit port restrictors, so that turbine fuel physically could not be
> loaded into tanks feeding a gasoline engine.  Line boys, as they?re
> called, are no more or less cautious than the rest of us, but the theme is
> that people make mistakes so the systems in which they work should be
> engineered to prevent those mistakes or to prevent them from doing any
> harm.  Ditto in medicine.  Patient safety was significantly advanced when
> the oxygen and the anesthetic gas fittings were made different enough that
> oxygen couldn?t come from anything but the oxygen supply (e.g.
> noninterchangeable screw threads).  Patient safety gurus have also
> insisted that wrist bands used in every hospital everywhere not only have
> standard language, but also standard colors so that, in a rush, a band
> announcing an allergy (red) couldn?t be confused for a DNR (purple) even
> though the words on each are clear.  And crash carts should be in exactly
> the same place in every hospital ward.  Until very recently some surgeons
> marked an X on a limb to mean cut this side, while others marked it to
> mean don?t cut this side.  You can guess about the injuries which that
> lack of a standard system caused.  I?ll wager the same is true in other
> industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.  I
> don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific
> suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR


From pa3a at xs4all.nl  Sun Aug 23 12:01:28 2015
From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:01:28 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D9E6FA.4070400@qrp4fun.de>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com>	<55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
	<55D9E6FA.4070400@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <55D9EE58.70309@xs4all.nl>

Ingo,

I totally agree on your statement. One reflector with productname in 
subject line.
(Filtering options in my e-mail program (thunderbird) do the rest.)
With multiple reflectors, think about all that moderation... ;-)

73
Arie PA3A


Ingo Meyer, DK3RED schreef op 23-8-2015 om 17:30:
> Hello Bob,
>
>> For those that might have a more or less interest in various 
>> products.........
>
> Oh no, please, don't do it! There is one (!) list for one (!) product 
> - Elecarft! I also own only at the time a K1 and K2, so many topics 
> are rather uninteresting for me. But I am also interested in other 
> issues with other products (like antennas, power supply etc.) with 
> other products.
>
>> At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate 
>> automatically the
>> "not interested" items.
>
> Yes, that's the right way!


From k2mk at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 12:02:18 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:02:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <015201d0ddb4$481c9970$d855cc50$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<1440326589297-7606607.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<015201d0ddb4$481c9970$d855cc50$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <1440345738857-7606624.post@n2.nabble.com>

I might have to re-evaluate. For casual split chasing the P3 can still be
awesome. And the P3 is just so cool for general use. If I were funds limited
I would definitely buy a P3 and save up for the sub RX. Having both is the
greatest thing since sliced bread.

73,
Mike K2MK



ae4pb wrote
> I like the way you split it up.
> I fit mostly under A/C, I'd like to think I would never get into D unless
> I'm relying on the spotting cluster rather than dialing and listening.





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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 23 12:03:00 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
In-Reply-To: <000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net>
References: <1440263998957-7606571.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55D8CA7F.5070104@embarqmail.com> <55D8DB59.80605@k8ac.net>
	<55D904C2.9070001@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<001501d0dd39$1312fbf0$3938f3d0$@net> <55D91470.2070306@blomand.net>
	<CD581754-02FB-4614-9980-11FC1718D8FA@gmail.com>
	<000001d0dd63$92d6b5f0$b88421d0$@net>
Message-ID: <55D9EEB4.6030508@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,8/22/2015 10:21 PM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> Not to flog this horse any further, but I direct you to page 85 of the K2
> Manual where the DB-9 connector is labeled ..."RS-232 and AUX I/O"... .
>
> Is it RS-232 or not ??? Is it mis-labeled ????

The fact that it says RS-232 AND AUX I/O should be a clue -- a full 
RS-232 interface requires the use of all 9 pins, leaving nothing for AUX 
I/O. All of the ham gear I've ever interfaced to uses only two circuits 
and three pins  -- 2 (RXD),3 (TXD), and 5 (Sig Gnd) for control, leaving 
the other pins and lines for other uses. Pins 4 (DTR) and 7 (RTS) are 
used by many logging programs to send CW and PTT. There's a piece in QST 
from 10-15 years ago showing how to build an ICOM interface getting 
power from either DTR or RTS (I don't recall which).

73, Jim K9YC

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 12:11:57 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:11:57 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55D9EC09.8070907@socal.rr.com>
References: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu> <55D9EC09.8070907@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNg6yeQhw4gR9xu88ZiBvM9UeGyV6me=krLjgev8BsemQ@mail.gmail.com>

OT: Then there was the FD a few years ago when one of our guys took the
club's generator by the gas station and filled the crankcase to the top
with fuel.  There -were- two (labeled) filler caps protruding from the top
of the housing ..... (;-)

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 23, 2015 9:52 AM, "Phil Wheeler" <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Then I sure hope no one idly plugs a water hose in the the fuel filler
> port of my car!
>
> I guess all those auto manufacturers need to change the designs to prevent
> that ignorance, too.
>
> Perhaps the K2 is just too challenging (for some) :-)
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/23/15 6:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
>> it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is
>> at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries
>> with which I have worked:  Many lives have been saved since general
>> aviation airframe manufacturers sized fuel filler ports, or required
>> retrofit port restrictors, so that turbine fuel physically could not be
>> loaded into tanks feeding a gasoline engine.  Line boys, as they?re
>> called, are no more or less cautious than the rest of us, but the theme is
>> that people make mistakes so the systems in which they work should be
>> engineered to prevent those mistakes or to prevent them from doing any
>> harm.  Ditto in medicine.  Patient safety was significantly advanced when
>> the oxygen and the anesthetic gas fittings were made different enough that
>> oxygen couldn?t come from anything but the oxygen supply (e.g.
>> noninterchangeable screw threads).  Patient safety gurus have also
>> insisted that wrist bands used in every hospital everywhere not only have
>> standard language, but also standard colors so that, in a rush, a band
>> announcing an allergy (red) couldn?t be confused for a DNR (purple) even
>> though the words on each are clear.  And crash carts should be in exactly
>> the same place in every hospital ward.  Until very recently some surgeons
>> marked an X on a limb to mean cut this side, while others marked it to
>> mean don?t cut this side.  You can guess about the injuries which that
>> lack of a standard system caused.  I?ll wager the same is true in other
>> industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.  I
>> don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific
>> suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Sun Aug 23 12:30:25 2015
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Kenneth Talbott)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <1440308481408-7606603.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>	<55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>
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Never solder PSU connectors - overcurrent can heat the joint and drop molten
solder where you least desire it!
Ken - ke4rg

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of aj4tf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 1:41 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX

Bob,
Crimped connections are superior to soldered connections in a high
vibration, high stress environment. 
The solder will fracture after exposure to vibration and/or temperature
cycles. With a proper crimp tool (not the one from Harbor Freight!) the
resistance of a proper crimped connection will be no higher than 
that of a soldered connection.   The TE/Amp PROIII hand crimp tool is $213
at Digikey...The Amphenol
hex die crimper for RG-8, RG213, etc. is $112.

But, soldered connections are fine for a ham shack.

de AJ4TF 

<snip>


From roncerra at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 23 12:34:20 2015
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:34:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3-KXAT-KXPA100 FOR SALE
Message-ID: <1440347660114-7606629.post@n2.nabble.com>

I purchased this setup in July 2015. I am the original owner. Includes KX3-F,
KXBC3-F, KXFL3-F, KX3-PCKT, KXPA100-AT-F, KXPACBL, KXSER-a, MH3, PX3-F and
KXPD3 key for KX3. This is my second KX3 setup and I now know without a
doubt that I prefer the K3 larger radio. I have not opened the KX3;never
installed the batteries, never connected the mic.  Setup is in mint
condition with little use and nothing portable. I will buy a second K3S/P3
with the funds. I would like $2,900.00 shipped and insured. I will not split
the setup and the price is firm. You save about $350.00. Please reply
off-line to roncerra at outlook.com or (910) 793-9043. 73. Thanks for your
time. I have some of the original packing. Will throw in the Nifty
Mini-Manual for the PX3.



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From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Sun Aug 23 13:37:28 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:37:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
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References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>	<55D7D678.80608@blomand.net>	<1440308481408-7606603.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Kenneth Talbott wrote:
> Never solder PSU connectors - overcurrent can heat the joint and drop molten
> solder where you least desire it!
> Ken - ke4rg
>

I thought the fuses were protection against over current conditions.

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 12:39:37 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
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	<D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
>   I?ll wager the same is true in other
> industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.  I
> don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific
> suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR

Good luck retrofitting that on 15 year old electronics. Also are you
ready to spend 25$ per connector because your application differs in
some way and everyone has to invent a new connector for a new use
which can never benefit from economy of scale. Or perhaps we should
just quit inventing anything new.

Aircraft safety is a completely different animal, where the money
*WILL* be spent for safety issues bearing on loss of life, even if an
item now costs $1000 instead of $10 because it is now a very specific
quality-warrantied small-volume item that can never be
mass-manufactured in 100,000 or 500,000 count runs. I'll pay my
portion of the cost of all of that, to be safe on my airplane trips.
But my K2 ain't an airplane, and I don't sit in it at 35,000 feet
doing 500 knots.

On reason K2's are affordable is because they do NOT use a lot of
specialty one-of-a-kind items. And how many would be complaining if it
needed a hard to find specialty plug on the back. We can't afford
stuff made idiot-proof to the extent that RTFM is never needed for
success

DB9 and DB15 are used for all kinds of non-standard stuff, all over
the place (not just Elecraft)...  Don't EVER put any male DB9 or DB15
or DB25 in any female DB9 or DB15 or DB25 without knowing what is on
all the pins.

And then what is DB25, serial or parallel port, or something weird?
You always have to look at a DB25 which could be anything.

Look at the back of a MicroHam box sometime, which has dozens of
specialty connections to DB25's. Separate one of a kind jack for each
cable connection?

We really do hate to RTFM, don't we...

I heard one XYL remark at a wives-invited ham function that her
husband wouldn't RTFM any more than he would ask for directions, or
even look at the all-language comic book assembly guide for that
Christmas present, some assembly required.

A friend of mine blew up a beautiful Alpha 99 he'd gotten off eBay for
a really good price because he didn't read the manual for setup and
fed 240V to a transformer that was strapped by the previous owner to
120. That was really expensive. I remember him saying that if I
mentioned RTFM even once he'd come after me with a club. His eBay
savings was wiped out and quite a bit more by the repair cost.

But it was just one more of a bazillion examples of the trouble we
cause ourselves in every aspect of life by our seeming intransigent
unwillingness to RTFM before making assumptions and sticking things in
things.

We shouldn't be asking others to make it safe for our failure to RTFM.
YOU blow it up, YOU suck it up. It's the manly thing to do.

73, Guy K2AV

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Sun Aug 23 12:50:18 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (RIchard Williams via Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  If it plugs in, then it should work
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References: <D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<1656655635.428254.1440348041967.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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I would agree with Ted in many instances (especially where safety is paramount), ?standardization is a necessity (excellent examples are given by Ted). ?That said, I would have to disagree with him if we try and apply that rational across the board. ?For instance, I do think applying the "if it fits, it should work" is practical for ALL electronic devices.


Using a fully loaded K3S as an example, there are (not counting the ground lug) twenty four jacks on the back, and 2 on the front; ? requiring 13 different types of connectors (SO-239, BNC, Anderson Power Pole, RCA/Phone, 1/4" mono?jack, 1/4" stereo jack , SMA connector, 1/8" mono jack, 1/8" stereo jack, USB, RJ45, DB15, and last but not least, an eight pin mic connector).

If you were to apply the "if it fits, it should work" rule to the K3S, it would now require twenty six different types of connectors (double what we now have). ?O yes, even the ANT 1 and ANT 2 need to be different (maybe ANT 2 should be a N connector). ?WIth Radio Shack going tits up, it is hard enough finding the 13 types of connectors we need today; can you imagine trying to find twenty six different types ?just for the K3? ? And if you happen to have a VHF/UHF radio, it should have different connectors than any on the K3 or (for that matter) power amp; God forbid you inadvertently connect ?the output of your 1.5 KW amp to the ANT jack on your VHF radio!!??
Anybody who plugs a cable into a socket just because it happens to fit is a fool; ? especially amatuer radio operators, we all passed tests on radio theory and should know what all the inputs and outputs on our radios are for and how they are used.? As for the DB15, ?it is marked ACC,?it is not labeled VGA; why anyone would think it should be connected to a VGA monitor is beyond me?? ??Do you assume all radio manufactures use the same pinouts for their RJ45 or 8 pin mic connectors, and connect any mic to any radio??
And yes, Bob (K4TAX) said it all; "it is very important to read and understand the manual before?plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today".

Dick, K8ZTT 

     From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 7:32 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
   
Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least
it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.? In other industries where safety is
at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.? Examples, from two industries
with which I have worked:? Many lives have been saved since general
aviation airframe manufacturers sized fuel filler ports, or required
retrofit port restrictors, so that turbine fuel physically could not be
loaded into tanks feeding a gasoline engine.? Line boys, as they?re
called, are no more or less cautious than the rest of us, but the theme is
that people make mistakes so the systems in which they work should be
engineered to prevent those mistakes or to prevent them from doing any
harm.? Ditto in medicine.? Patient safety was significantly advanced when
the oxygen and the anesthetic gas fittings were made different enough that
oxygen couldn?t come from anything but the oxygen supply (e.g.
noninterchangeable screw threads).? Patient safety gurus have also
insisted that wrist bands used in every hospital everywhere not only have
standard language, but also standard colors so that, in a rush, a band
announcing an allergy (red) couldn?t be confused for a DNR (purple) even
though the words on each are clear.? And crash carts should be in exactly
the same place in every hospital ward.? Until very recently some surgeons
marked an X on a limb to mean cut this side, while others marked it to
mean don?t cut this side.? You can guess about the injuries which that
lack of a standard system caused.? I?ll wager the same is true in other
industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.? I
don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific
suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.

Ted, KN1CBR


>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:31:44 -0500
>From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>Message-ID: <55D91470.2070306 at blomand.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.? Now that's
>different!? Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one end and a
>DB-9F on the other.? And then to keep everybody happy, there is what
>appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector to
>provide band data and such.? The manual clearly states "This is not a
>VGA video connector".
>
>Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before
>plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.
>It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
>
>73
>Bob, K4TAX
>K3S s/n 10,163
>

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From pf at tippete.net  Sun Aug 23 13:03:21 2015
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:03:21 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX DATA/DATA
	A mode?
Message-ID: <87d1yedjja.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>


Hello,
I'm dabbling with wsjtx, and I see that my rx audio has some definite roll
off at <300 Hz and >3500 Hz. Selected filter is the 12 kHz one, and
width is set to 4 kHz. Audio soundcard is the Numark studio-io, but I
also saw this with an el-cheapo adapter. 
Also, I see the same roll-off in fldigi, so the final application should
not matter. 
Am I doing something wrong? What should be the audio passband available
at line out connector?

Thanks

Pf

-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx

From n5lz at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 13:03:42 2015
From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:03:42 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <001201d0ddc5$aa987b80$ffc97280$@comcast.net>

I think some folks may have forgotten that a subreceiver is not required to
locate a DX station's listening frequency in a split pileup.  Before second
receivers were available we all did what we had to do . we quickly switched
between VFOs and tuned the listening range . and it worked . not all the
time . but most of the time..and it still works .. And guys who are good at
it can do as well as others with two receivers.  The second receiver, of
course, makes it easier.. And a panadapter makes it even better.  I had my
second receiver long before I bought a P3 and thought I was in great shape .
but when I started using the panadapter it opened up an entire new world and
I would no longer want to be without it.  I still believe however that the
P3 is much more valuable when it's used along with a second receiver, so I
would still buy my second receiver first.

It is really the huge pileups where the real value of the combination of
subreceiver and panadapter will be revealed.

To illustrate, I made several videos while tuning through the huge pileups
generated during the recent K1N dxpedition.  Here's one that will speak for
itself.  Follow the link and read the description before viewing:
https://vimeo.com/album/2915831/video/119076467


Don, N5LZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
ae4pb at carolinaheli.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 7:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?

Just wondering what DXers who have the K3/K3s think. My main mode will be CW
with my objective being DX primarily. With this in mind it's been suggested
that the P3 would be more useful than the SubReceiver. I'm starting to
rethink that and just wondering which is the most useful for DX? I won't be
getting the SVGA adapter unless I get it pre-owned and need it.

Thanks in advance.. just getting close.. 13 days and a wakeup :)

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN # TBA

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From lew at n6lew.us  Sun Aug 23 13:07:59 2015
From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
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> 
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:50 AM, RIchard Williams via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> WIth Radio Shack going tits up... 


Well, your report of RadioShack?s death is premature.  They went through a Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceeding,  They emerged from Chapter 11 three months after filing, which is VERY fast by bankruptcy court standards. The network of stores was rationalized, with about half being closed, but 1400 remain open. I don?t count on RS very much for component supply, but there are still three RS stores within five miles of my house, versus 6 a year ago. 

We?ll know that they are truly about to ?go tits up? if the parent company files for Chapter 11 a second time (or, as the joke goes among bankruptcy lawyers, ?Chapter 22.?)


Lew



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Yaesu FT-7800 
Lew at N6LEW.US
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 23 13:51:01 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S DB9 Conn - If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <015701d0ddb7$f73d5590$e5b800b0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <015701d0ddb7$f73d5590$e5b800b0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55DA0805.7040700@blomand.net>

Standard use of connectors is a good thing.  It saves the various number 
of different connectors that we must retain for various uses.  However, 
there is no standards in the ham radio community regarding the use and 
types of connectors.

In the military, they use a different connector for every different 
application and a different connector for each series of equipment. The 
result is that no two connectors are really alike.  However, the 
advantage is the fact if one didn't have the proper connector and cable 
for the specific application, then the user could not connect anything.

Both methods are correct just as both methods are incorrect, depending 
on the users point of view.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/23/2015 10:25 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I respectfully offer that it's a very good thing Elecraft used a commonly
> found connector in their radio designs. One bane of technology is when
> manufacturers use a myriad of proprietary connections. The huge advantage
> that we have in using common connections is the availability of plugs,
> sockets, and cables. The responsibility we have is to always ensure the
> connections are as intended. In the case of Elecraft radios with a DB9
> connection we CAN use an RS-232 spec cable from the rig to our computer with
> the requirement that certain pins or wires be removed/cut/disconnected due
> to the nature of the connection. The Beauty of RS-232 is that it's a 3 wire
> system. The other connections are typically used for HARDWARE support
> (DTS/RTS) and aren't required for RS-232. So out of a DB9 connection we are
> left with 6 usable lines. What's a better design, combining purposes into a
> common connection where the consumers are technically skilled and educated,
> or having 10 extra connections on the back?
>
> If you were homebrewing the radio how would you build it? I'm betting that
> most of us would use single connectors and bundle the functions/features
> there. It just makes more sense.
>
> One thing that may help would be to label a warning on the connector if you
> may tend to forget that it's not a modem connection, rather, it's a
> multi-function DB9 connection.
>
> Just my opinion.
> Jerry Moore
>
>
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Aug 23 13:57:36 2015
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:57:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree with both Richard (K8ZTT) and with Guy (K2AV), in that all safety 
and error prevention strategies have to be subject to a practical 
cost-benefit analysis.  That?s true even in healthcare ? when you receive 
a transfusion, the transfused blood type is checked five or six times, not 
ten or fifteen, even though that might add a sigma or two to the mismatch 
incidence rate.  Everything has declining marginal returns and some things 
have returns that start out less than their costs.  No argument there.

That said - and again confessing that I am not an electrical engineer - 
there may be some things that could be addressed cost effectively.  For 
example, the reverse polarity problem that Alan (G4GNX) mentioned.  Would 
it be cost effective to have reverse polarity supply and use connectors 
made green rather than black, or something like that?  That shouldn?t cost 
too much.

I don?t mean to be passionate about this.  But as a lawyer (and a pilot) 
and a professor of healthcare policy, I have spent a fair part of my 
careers helping clients overcome inertia in advancing safety in the fields 
where I?ve worked.  Reading that RTFM may be enough just struck me as out 
of phase with all of the QA literature of the last 15 years.  It is 
essential that operators study the manual, of course; but it is not 
sufficient.  Systems should assume that human error will happen anyway, 
and be robust enough to block the errors that inevitably happen.

Again, I agree that when the cost of more attention to prevention exceeds 
its value in the practical world, that should be the end of it.  And so 
I?ll go QRT with my part in this thread . . . 

Thanks for the comments and replies.  As always, I gain a lot from this 
reflector.  The benefits are worth far more than the cost.

Ted, KN1CBR




On 8/23/15, 10:39 AM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Good luck retrofitting that on 15 year old electronics. Also are you
>ready to spend 25$ per connector because your application differs in
>some way and everyone has to invent a new connector for a new use
>which can never benefit from economy of scale. Or perhaps we should
>just quit inventing anything new.
>
>Aircraft safety is a completely different animal, where the money
>*WILL* be spent for safety issues bearing on loss of life, even if an
>item now costs $1000 instead of $10 because it is now a very specific
>quality-warrantied small-volume item that can never be
>mass-manufactured in 100,000 or 500,000 count runs. I'll pay my
>portion of the cost of all of that, to be safe on my airplane trips.
>But my K2 ain't an airplane, and I don't sit in it at 35,000 feet
>doing 500 knots.
>
>On reason K2's are affordable is because they do NOT use a lot of
>specialty one-of-a-kind items. And how many would be complaining if it
>needed a hard to find specialty plug on the back. We can't afford
>stuff made idiot-proof to the extent that RTFM is never needed for
>success
>
>DB9 and DB15 are used for all kinds of non-standard stuff, all over
>the place (not just Elecraft)...  Don't EVER put any male DB9 or DB15
>or DB25 in any female DB9 or DB15 or DB25 without knowing what is on
>all the pins.
>
>And then what is DB25, serial or parallel port, or something weird?
>You always have to look at a DB25 which could be anything.
>
>Look at the back of a MicroHam box sometime, which has dozens of
>specialty connections to DB25's. Separate one of a kind jack for each
>cable connection?
>
>We really do hate to RTFM, don't we...
>
>I heard one XYL remark at a wives-invited ham function that her
>husband wouldn't RTFM any more than he would ask for directions, or
>even look at the all-language comic book assembly guide for that
>Christmas present, some assembly required.
>
>A friend of mine blew up a beautiful Alpha 99 he'd gotten off eBay for
>a really good price because he didn't read the manual for setup and
>fed 240V to a transformer that was strapped by the previous owner to
>120. That was really expensive. I remember him saying that if I
>mentioned RTFM even once he'd come after me with a club. His eBay
>savings was wiped out and quite a bit more by the repair cost.
>
>But it was just one more of a bazillion examples of the trouble we
>cause ourselves in every aspect of life by our seeming intransigent
>unwillingness to RTFM before making assumptions and sticking things in
>things.
>
>We shouldn't be asking others to make it safe for our failure to RTFM.
>YOU blow it up, YOU suck it up. It's the manly thing to do.
>
>73, Guy K2AV

From jawod at fuse.net  Sun Aug 23 14:02:23 2015
From: jawod at fuse.net (John Wiener)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:02:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 calibration questions
Message-ID: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>

Hi
Do people still ask about the venerable K2 on this group?  hi

my K2  serial # 5312 :

I built it 9 yrs ago now.


SO, I went back and (nervously) re-opened my K2 and re-did some of the calibration routines.  

The 4 Mhz calibration would not zero beat at 4.0000 Mhz  but at 3999.8

The PLL ref Bosc range was OK

BFO test was OK

The CAL FCTR procedure would not allow zero beat on WWV 10 Mhz sig.  Readings were zero beat at 10000.19.  Needed to get FCTR to 14911.82   could only get to 14912.08  a diff of 1.74

Re-did PLL as required.  No probs there.

I am aware of the limitations of freq calib with the K2 when in the Hz range   However I did not used to have this much of a problem.

I am probably missing something obvious.

That?s where you guys come in!

Thanks

John 
AB8O

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Aug 23 14:05:34 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:05:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <55DA0B6E.4040107@coho.net>

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS
-

From w4wuq at att.net  Sun Aug 23 14:22:13 2015
From: w4wuq at att.net (Dalton)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:22:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D9E6FA.4070400@qrp4fun.de>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com> <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
	<55D9E6FA.4070400@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <42911BCB-D789-4878-BDF8-62F8728A39DF@att.net>

Well at the very least always fill in the subject line with the true subject even with a reply.  Make darn sure what is in the message matches the subject line.

Dalton - W4WUQ
w4wuq at arrl.net
Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bob,
> 
>> For those that might have a more or less interest in various products.........
> 
> Oh no, please, don't do it! There is one (!) list for one (!) product - Elecarft! I also own only at the time a K1 and K2, so many topics are rather uninteresting for me. But I am also interested in other issues with other products (like antennas, power supply etc.) with other products.
> 
>> At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate automatically the
>> "not interested" items.
> 
> Yes, that's the right way!
> -- 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 23 14:23:54 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] normal K3 voltage drop on TX
In-Reply-To: <55DA04D8.7060501@k5dkz.com>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<14f52de836c-7c18-9bfa@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com>
	<55D7CE59.90008@blomand.net>
	<1953762216.211365.1440207480598.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxuslxltgw03.lxa.perfora.net>
	<55D7D678.80608@blomand.net> <1440308481408-7606603.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002601d0ddc1$0431bee0$0c953ca0$@gamewood.net>
	<55DA04D8.7060501@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <55DA0FBA.7060507@blomand.net>

If there is a connection which is heating that much, one has more issues 
than molten solder to be resolved.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/23/2015 12:37 PM, bs usb wrote:
>
> Kenneth Talbott wrote:
>> Never solder PSU connectors - overcurrent can heat the joint and drop 
>> molten
>> solder where you least desire it!
>> Ken - ke4rg
>>
>
> I thought the fuses were protection against over current conditions.
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From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug 23 14:29:49 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx?
In-Reply-To: <28F9D280-5126-4D45-AC62-550F90646D78@gmail.com>
References: <005c01d0dd44$72cc2340$586469c0$@carolinaheli.com><1440326589297-7606607.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<28F9D280-5126-4D45-AC62-550F90646D78@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DA111D.30203@triconet.org>

Regrettably, the JAs are "catching up" to the EUs, but generally true.

As to the original question, I use neither, but do have the near equivalent of 
the P3. an SDR-IQ used as a panadapter.  Although this could be used as a second 
RX, I have enough difficulty listening to one RX, I don't need to be further 
confused with a second.

A couple of more QSLs for 30-meter QSOs and I will have 8-band DXCC. I have DXCC 
Mixed, CW, Phone and RTTY and I'm 3 away from top of the Honor Roll with my 
modest station (http://qrz.com/db/N7WS)  Nevertheless,I still don't know which 
of categories below I fit into other than it's not B.

Wes  N7WS

On 8/23/2015 5:37 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> If you are dealing with JA pileups, you only need a P3 because only the station that has been called by the DX will answer.
> With EU pileups you will also need a subrx because everyone will be calling all the time.
> USA pileups are in between.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Mike K2MK <k2mk at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> There's
>> A. casual DXing
>> B. contesting
>> C. casual split pile-up chasing
>> D. die-hard split pile-up chasing
>>
>> For A you don't need either
>> For B you should consider the P3
>> For C you should consider the Sub RX
>> For D you should order both immediately
>>
>> If you get the P3 you will use it every time you turn on your radio. In
>> fact, you will feel naked without it. If you get the Sub RX you will have it
>> turned off most of the time.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike K2MK
>>


From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Aug 23 14:37:30 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com> <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55DA12EA.5010902@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

The list guidelines already ask this.

If you want automatic classification and you don't want to rely on 
people following the list guidelines, check out popfile. 
<http://getpopfile.org/>

I also cast my vote against fracturing the list.  I have a KX3, but I 
read a lot of the K3 threads, and antenna stuff is always interesting.

73 -- Lynn

On 8/23/2015 7:55 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate 
> automatically the "not interested" items.


From dougwe2 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 14:39:34 2015
From: dougwe2 at gmail.com (Doug Wetzel)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:39:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SW TONE Config
Message-ID: <CACca+=-y1zQZ5boZQNVSeK4m-kOfFOjwap-hfghZrUaugT5+vA@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies if this has been covered before.

My K3 button tone has decided to retire without warning.  Turning the
config setting on and off has no effect.

Tried hard reset, which works to re-enable the tone, but reloading the
saved config kills it again.

I know the end answer to this is likely to be, "Suck it up and manually
reset all your configs after a hard reset, then save that config."

Is there a magic incantation I can use to get this annoying little glitch
solved before diving off that cliff?

Thanks all!!!

Doug
K7IP

From K2TK at ptd.net  Sun Aug 23 14:46:14 2015
From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:46:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S DB9 Conn - If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <015f01d0ddb8$6f03b7e0$4d0b27a0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <015f01d0ddb8$6f03b7e0$4d0b27a0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55DA14F6.9000008@ptd.net>

Well, yes.   But a major design consideration used to be, "available at Radio 
Shack".

73,
Bob
K2TK

On 8/23/2015 11:28 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:

SNIPPED:
> If you were homebrewing the radio how would you build it? I'm betting that
> most of us would use single connectors and bundle the functions/features
> there. It just makes more sense.
>
>
> Just my opinion.
> Jerry Moore
>
>



From djcarohmer at ntin.net  Sun Aug 23 14:53:08 2015
From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SW TONE Config
In-Reply-To: <CACca+=-y1zQZ5boZQNVSeK4m-kOfFOjwap-hfghZrUaugT5+vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACca+=-y1zQZ5boZQNVSeK4m-kOfFOjwap-hfghZrUaugT5+vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DA1694.30704@ntin.net>

Doug,

It may be possible that the CW monitor volume was turned to zero. 
Setting the monitor volume in CW mode also sets the button feedback tone 
volume.

73,

Dwayne WV5I

On 8/23/2015 1:39 PM, Doug Wetzel wrote:
> Apologies if this has been covered before.
>
> My K3 button tone has decided to retire without warning.  Turning the
> config setting on and off has no effect.
>
> Tried hard reset, which works to re-enable the tone, but reloading the
> saved config kills it again.
>
> I know the end answer to this is likely to be, "Suck it up and manually
> reset all your configs after a hard reset, then save that config."
>
> Is there a magic incantation I can use to get this annoying little glitch
> solved before diving off that cliff?
>
> Thanks all!!!
>
> Doug
> K7IP
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Aug 23 14:57:02 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:57:02 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
Message-ID: <201508231857.t7NIv3rL007623@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Great retort, Don.  You beat me to saying the same thing.

So plug it in with assumptions and you get the "stupeed" award.  If 
lucky it just sits there and does nothing.  Unlucky and you just 
tested your warrantee (Not Covered).  But hooking up ham gear without 
opening manual is standard operating protocol - it seems. OK well 
lets hookup the power - uh black to red; red to black - poof!  $3K up in smoke!

I really dislike the current trend of using the RJ45 as a mic 
jack.  Motorola started using them that way and it ended up being one 
of worst reliability parts in the system.  RJ45 don't take to being 
physically stressed constantly (at the end of a mic cable).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 14:58:35 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:58:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 calibration questions
In-Reply-To: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>
References: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.8E24893E-1FBF-4B97-90FF-7851F2BDA6DC@mail.outlook.com>

The following app nite from Elecraft describes a great way to calibrate the dial on your K2:http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/K2%20C22%20Adjust%20App%20Note.pdf
After setting C22 and running CAL PLL, don't forget to also run CAL FIL and update the BFO setting for each filter (even if you just increase it by a small amount, then go back and change it back to the original value) -- you need to make a change in order to force the firmware to take account of the calibration adjustments in the previous steps.
There is a good article on K2 dial calibration on Don W3FPR's website:http://w3fpr.com/

73, Matt VK2RQ




On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM -0700, "John Wiener" <jawod at fuse.net> wrote:










Hi
Do people still ask about the venerable K2 on this group?  hi

my K2  serial # 5312 :

I built it 9 yrs ago now.


SO, I went back and (nervously) re-opened my K2 and re-did some of the calibration routines.  

The 4 Mhz calibration would not zero beat at 4.0000 Mhz  but at 3999.8

The PLL ref Bosc range was OK

BFO test was OK

The CAL FCTR procedure would not allow zero beat on WWV 10 Mhz sig.  Readings were zero beat at 10000.19.  Needed to get FCTR to 14911.82   could only get to 14912.08  a diff of 1.74

Re-did PLL as required.  No probs there.

I am aware of the limitations of freq calib with the K2 when in the Hz range   However I did not used to have this much of a problem.

I am probably missing something obvious.

That?s where you guys come in!

Thanks

John 
AB8O
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From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 15:12:29 2015
From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:12:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON
Message-ID: <000a01d0ddd7$a83028e0$f8907aa0$@carolina.rr.com>

The P3TXMON works as described.  It is a beautiful display, but I am not
sure how to interpret what I am looking at when I see my transmitted SSB
signal.  Some pics in a tutorial would be helpful.  Roy Morris  W4WFB


From gdanner at windstream.net  Sun Aug 23 15:14:54 2015
From: gdanner at windstream.net (George Danner)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>

Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon 
learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!

73 George AI4VZ



From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 23 15:16:15 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:16:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX
	DATA/DATA A mode?
In-Reply-To: <87d1yedjja.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
References: <87d1yedjja.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
Message-ID: <to6ktahsd1dtd0b2i2bqp9n387m4t8u0an@4ax.com>

Hi Pf,

Most tone modes operate at an offset from carrier frequency, so that
the audio frequencies of interest are more or less cenetered in the
filter passband.  I believe the JTx modes are already in the 1200 to
1500 Hz range so no offset is required.

The crystal filter being used only restricts the bandwidth of the RX
chain (1st IF).  The DSP imposes its own audio filtering on the
baseband, and that's what you're seeing as rolloff below ~300 and
above ~3500 Hz.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:03:21 +0200, you wrote:

>
>Hello,
>I'm dabbling with wsjtx, and I see that my rx audio has some definite roll
>off at <300 Hz and >3500 Hz. Selected filter is the 12 kHz one, and
>width is set to 4 kHz. Audio soundcard is the Numark studio-io, but I
>also saw this with an el-cheapo adapter. 
>Also, I see the same roll-off in fldigi, so the final application should
>not matter. 
>Am I doing something wrong? What should be the audio passband available
>at line out connector?
>
>Thanks
>
>Pf
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
--
"Always store beer in a dark place."  -R. Heinlein


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 23 15:21:53 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:21:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON
In-Reply-To: <000a01d0ddd7$a83028e0$f8907aa0$@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000a01d0ddd7$a83028e0$f8907aa0$@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <g77ktadhmgd0jvv7hfqea5nr83tstbumjl@4ax.com>

Roy,

The ARRL Handbook might come in handy here.  I believe there are many
oscillogram photos of correct time domain waveforms for SSB and CW.
There may even be some shown with overdriven audio, or mistuned PAs.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:12:29 -0400, you wrote:

>The P3TXMON works as described.  It is a beautiful display, but I am not
>sure how to interpret what I am looking at when I see my transmitted SSB
>signal.  Some pics in a tutorial would be helpful.  Roy Morris  W4WFB
>
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Aug 23 15:25:51 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <ta7kta1qnqahpsej618e11krt4jg2mpe6b@4ax.com>

There are many examples of what George says.  One of my buddies
accidentally plugged in his K3's power offset, so that the cable's red
was plugged into the K3's black.  No problem until he put the ground
lug on....  Then some Bad Things happened.

I work and live by the rule, "Double check everything that's plugged
in or wired-to."

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:14:54 -0400, you wrote:

>Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon 
>learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
>
>73 George AI4VZ
>
>
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 15:29:49 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
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On 8/23/15 11:57 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> I really dislike the current trend of using the 
> RJ45 as a mic jack.  Motorola started using them 
> that way and it ended up being one of worst 
> reliability parts in the system.  RJ45 don't 
> take to being physically stressed constantly (at 
> the end of a mic cable).
I sure agree, Ed. Had to replace a Yaesu FM xcvr 
mic last year for just that very reason.

73, Phil W7OX

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 23 15:34:01 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:34:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 calibration questions
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References: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>
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John,

Certainly, this is a valid reflector for any Elecraft product.

Don't worry about exactly 4.000 MHz on that reference oscillator. It is 
only important that it be "right on" just before running CAL PLL 
followed by CAL FIL - and the frequency may not be exactly 4.000 MHz 
when set properly anyway.  That check in the manual was intended not as 
a calibration point, but only as a check to see if the oscillator was 
actually in close range of where it needs to be.
When not running CAL PLL and CAL FIL, the K2 does not depend on that 
oscillator at all, it uses the data stored in memory during those 
routines to know what frequency to display.

If you really want to fine tune the K2 dial calibration, go to the 
article on my website www.w3fpr.com and follow the procedure there. You 
will need to use Spectrogram or other audio spectrum analyzer to 
correctly tune in WWV and also to judge the width and placement of your 
IF filters.
If you need spectrogram, look for the links near the bottom of my Home 
webpage.  Those are links local to my website and those copies have been 
virus scanned many times and are known to be 'clean'.

Be aware that due to limitations in the BFO DAC, you may find up to a 
20Hz error in the final dial calibration results.  That was quite 
tolerable until recently when new data modes (such as JT65) were 
developed requiring greater frequency accuracy.  The K2 may not be 
suitable for those modes for that reason.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/23/2015 2:02 PM, John Wiener wrote:
> Hi
> Do people still ask about the venerable K2 on this group?  hi
>
> my K2  serial # 5312 :
>
> I built it 9 yrs ago now.
>
> SO, I went back and (nervously) re-opened my K2 and re-did some of the calibration routines.
>
> The 4 Mhz calibration would not zero beat at 4.0000 Mhz  but at 3999.8
>
> The PLL ref Bosc range was OK
>
> BFO test was OK
>
> The CAL FCTR procedure would not allow zero beat on WWV 10 Mhz sig.  Readings were zero beat at 10000.19.  Needed to get FCTR to 14911.82   could only get to 14912.08  a diff of 1.74
>
> Re-did PLL as required.  No probs there.
>
> I am aware of the limitations of freq calib with the K2 when in the Hz range   However I did not used to have this much of a problem.
>
> I am probably missing something obvious.
>
> That?s where you guys come in!
>
>


From danny.higgins at keme.co.uk  Sun Aug 23 15:37:18 2015
From: danny.higgins at keme.co.uk (Danny Higgins)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:37:18 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
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You will never win!

Many years ago we designed a military unit that had many I/O ports, so we chose a selection of MIL STD connectors with different shell sizes, numbers of pins, plugs/ sockets, orientations etc. to make it soldier proof.  What we didn't realise until later was that if you used enough force you could get a 14 pin plug to mate with a 19 pin plug with the same shell size!

Danny, G3XVR

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of RIchard Williams via Elecraft
Sent: 23 August 2015 17:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

I would agree with Ted in many instances (especially where safety is paramount),  standardization is a necessity (excellent examples are given by Ted).  That said, I would have to disagree with him if we try and apply that rational across the board.  For instance, I do think applying the "if it fits, it should work" is practical for ALL electronic devices.


Using a fully loaded K3S as an example, there are (not counting the ground lug) twenty four jacks on the back, and 2 on the front;   requiring 13 different types of connectors (SO-239, BNC, Anderson Power Pole, RCA/Phone, 1/4" mono jack, 1/4" stereo jack , SMA connector, 1/8" mono jack, 1/8" stereo jack, USB, RJ45, DB15, and last but not least, an eight pin mic connector).

If you were to apply the "if it fits, it should work" rule to the K3S, it would now require twenty six different types of connectors (double what we now have).  O yes, even the ANT 1 and ANT 2 need to be different (maybe ANT 2 should be a N connector).  WIth Radio Shack going tits up, it is hard enough finding the 13 types of connectors we need today; can you imagine trying to find twenty six different types  just for the K3?   And if you happen to have a VHF/UHF radio, it should have different connectors than any on the K3 or (for that matter) power amp; God forbid you inadvertently connect  the output of your 1.5 KW amp to the ANT jack on your VHF radio!! Anybody who plugs a cable into a socket just because it happens to fit is a fool;   especially amatuer radio operators, we all passed tests on radio theory and should know what all the inputs and outputs on our radios are for and how they are used.  As for the DB15,  it is marked ACC, it is not labeled VGA; why anyone would think it should be connected to a VGA monitor is beyond me??   Do you assume all radio manufactures use the same pinouts for their RJ45 or 8 pin mic connectors, and connect any mic to any radio? And yes, Bob (K4TAX) said it all; "it is very important to read and understand the manual before plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today".

Dick, K8ZTT 

     From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 7:32 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
   
Indeed it should work if it plugs in AND if it looks the same, or at least it shouldn?t cause any serious harm.  In other industries where safety is at issue that is a firmly enforced rule.  Examples, from two industries with which I have worked:  Many lives have been saved since general aviation airframe manufacturers sized fuel filler ports, or required retrofit port restrictors, so that turbine fuel physically could not be loaded into tanks feeding a gasoline engine.  Line boys, as they?re called, are no more or less cautious than the rest of us, but the theme is that people make mistakes so the systems in which they work should be engineered to prevent those mistakes or to prevent them from doing any harm.  Ditto in medicine.  Patient safety was significantly advanced when the oxygen and the anesthetic gas fittings were made different enough that oxygen couldn?t come from anything but the oxygen supply (e.g.
noninterchangeable screw threads).  Patient safety gurus have also insisted that wrist bands used in every hospital everywhere not only have standard language, but also standard colors so that, in a rush, a band announcing an allergy (red) couldn?t be confused for a DNR (purple) even though the words on each are clear.  And crash carts should be in exactly the same place in every hospital ward.  Until very recently some surgeons marked an X on a limb to mean cut this side, while others marked it to mean don?t cut this side.  You can guess about the injuries which that lack of a standard system caused.  I?ll wager the same is true in other industries where the consequences of human error can be significant.  I don?t know enough about electrical engineering to offer any specific suggestions; but as a starting point, IMHO: if it fits, it should work.

Ted, KN1CBR


>Message: 6
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:31:44 -0500
>From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - KPA100 RS232 interface repair
>Message-ID: <55D91470.2070306 at blomand.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>The K3S has a RJ-45 connector for the RS-232 communications.  Now 
>that's different!  Of course they supply a cable with a RJ-45 on one 
>end and a DB-9F on the other.  And then to keep everybody happy, there 
>is what appears to be a 15 pin VGA connector that is the ACC connector 
>to provide band data and such.  The manual clearly states "This is not 
>a VGA video connector".
>
>Yes it is very important to read and understand the manual before 
>plugging or inserting any connector into any hole on any radio today.
>It seems most hams think if it plugs in, then it should work.
>
>73
>Bob, K4TAX
>K3S s/n 10,163
>

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From alsopb at nc.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 15:39:37 2015
From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:39:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 was K2.....
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Plus there is still another crimp tool to buy/find/use if you want to 
make your own connectors.
I wonder who has the most crimp tool laying around and how many. Repair 
of the jack on the rig side is no picnic either.

73 de Brian/K3KO
On 8/23/2015 19:29 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>
>
> On 8/23/15 11:57 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> I really dislike the current trend of using the RJ45 as a mic jack.  
>> Motorola started using them that way and it ended up being one of 
>> worst reliability parts in the system.  RJ45 don't take to being 
>> physically stressed constantly (at the end of a mic cable).
> I sure agree, Ed. Had to replace a Yaesu FM xcvr mic last year for 
> just that very reason.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
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From pf at tippete.net  Sun Aug 23 15:51:50 2015
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 21:51:50 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX
	DATA/DATA A mode?
In-Reply-To: <to6ktahsd1dtd0b2i2bqp9n387m4t8u0an@4ax.com> (Matt Zilmer's
	message of "Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:16:15 -0700")
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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> writes:


    Matt> Hi Pf,
    Matt> Most tone modes operate at an offset from carrier frequency, so that
    Matt> the audio frequencies of interest are more or less cenetered in the
    Matt> filter passband.  I believe the JTx modes are already in the 1200 to
    Matt> 1500 Hz range so no offset is required.

Hi Matt,
actually, I'm seeing JT9 stations transmitting at 3400 Hz, and who knows
if there are some even above that. JT65+JT9 uses quite a wide receive
window. 


    Matt> The crystal filter being used only restricts the bandwidth of the RX
    Matt> chain (1st IF).  The DSP imposes its own audio filtering on the
    Matt> baseband, and that's what you're seeing as rolloff below ~300 and
    Matt> above ~3500 Hz.

Yes, and that was what I wanted to know. I've read in this mailing list
that the DSP limits the audio at 4 kHz. I'm seeing it roll off at little
above 3400. The low end rolls off at around 300, so I'm getting an audio
passband of ~3100 Hz. I wonder if this is normal, or if there's
something else I can tweak in the settings. 


Pf

-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 16:02:11 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:02:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results
Message-ID: <024f01d0ddde$998bf970$cca3ec50$@gmail.com>

Well, the band continues to punish us for some unknown sin. Conditions today
were as bad as they've been the last several weeks. Despite the conditions,
we still had 25 check-ins, myself included. Thanks goes out to all the
stations who helped relay in the tough ones. Here are today's check-ins:

 

WB9JNZ               Eric                         IL             K3
4017

NA5C                     Steve                    TX           K3S
10121

KF5YBE                 Lee                         TX           K3
7771

W5SV                    Dave                      TX           K3
5354

WV5I                     Dwayne               TX           K3           5287

KC0XT                   David                     CA          K3S
10125

WB5JJA                Ray                         OK          K3
7877

K6EQ                     Roger                    CA          K3
4629

W4RKS                  Jim                         TX           K3
3618

W4PFM                Paul                       VA          K3
1673

KD4Z                      Warren                 GA          K3
8902

VE3XM                 Bob                        ON         K3           409

K6VWE                 Stan                       MI          K3
650

KC9USC                Rob                        IL             KX3
4460

AC6DM                 Dan                        CA          K3
4457

K9PY                      Jerry                      IL             K3
4023

K5LAD                   Jim                         OK          K3
1068

KE7FSD                 Al                            AZ           K3
8532

N6JW/M              John                      CA          KX3        515

KD5QYV               Kris                         LA           KX3
8122

K8DSS                   Ed                           WY         KX3
651

W8OV                   Dave                      TX           K3
3139

WW4JF                 John                      TN          KX3        6185

KF5FHZ                 Jim                         LA           Kenwood
TS140S

KM4IK                   Ian                          GA          K3
281

 

Have a great week, everyone. I'll look to hear you all on the net next week.

 

73 de,

 

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
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K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

 



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 23 16:14:28 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
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This seems to have things really screwed up.   Yes, the Bird 43 is a 5% 
of F.S. accuracy instrument.   The Bird 43P is somewhat less accurate, 
although 5% F S with carrier, and more like 8% F S or so in peak mode. 
    In measuring a 100 watt radio with a 100 watt F S slug would seem to 
be most accurate.    Total accuracy decreases as the indicated value 
approaches the left side of the scale.   Now using a 250 watt slug to 
measure a 100 watt radio,  the earlier states that most accuracy is to 
the left of center, which by the way, is the compressed side of the 
scale.  This makes no sense as the scale markings are much more 
difficult to approximate.    In fact the most accurate area is to the 
right of center toward full scale is the expanded scale  which is where 
the highest accuracy actually occurs.   With a 100 watt radio and a 100 
watt F S  slug the error is +/- 5 watts at 100 watts.  Using a 250 watt 
element and measuring 100 watts near center scale the error is more like 
+/- 12.5 watts or 5% of the  F S value.

If one measures the same power source with identical elements and gets 
different results, they should refrain from buying ham fest elements for 
indeed the elements are not identical.  To wit, I purchased 3 new 100 
watt elements and 3 new 2500 watt elements. They all give identical 
results +/- the width of the pointer.  I don't buy ham fest Bird 
elements as I find they are junk and not worth the brass they contain.

And remember, Bird 43 instruments are calibrated for only a 50 resistive 
load.  Any other load being used leaves one with a "best guess" 
situation as to actual power.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/21/2015 11:48 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> So by your "logic" it would be best to measure one Watt using a 100W 
> element.
>
> On 8/21/2015 8:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
>> element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level. Take a 
>> look
>> at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the 
>> most
>> accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better for
>> measuring 100W.
>>
>> Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with identical 
>> Bird
>> elements......
>>
>> Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously subject to the
>> accuracy of the final indicating instrument.
>>
>> FWIW .....
>>
>> 73l
>>
>>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Aug 23 16:21:09 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:21:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX
 DATA/DATA A mode?
In-Reply-To: <878u91eqax.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
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> Yes, and that was what I wanted to know. I've read in this mailing
> list that the DSP limits the audio at 4 kHz. I'm seeing it roll off
> at little above 3400. The low end rolls off at around 300, so I'm
> getting an audio passband of ~3100 Hz. I wonder if this is normal, or
> if there's something else I can tweak in the settings.

It depends on your "roofing" filter ... If you have an AM (6 KHz) or
FM (13 KHz) filter, you will see 300 Hz to 4200 Hz with FC=2.20 and
BW=4.00 (at -3dB).  If you only have a 2.8 KHz filter, bandwidth
will be around 2800 Hz (900 - 3700 with FC=2.20 and BW=4.00 or 400 -
3200 with FC=1.60 and BW=4.00).

If you see roll-off at 3400 Hz you either have a narrow roofing filter
or the DSP center frequency (FC) is set too low.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/23/2015 3:51 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
>>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> writes:
>
>
>      Matt> Hi Pf,
>      Matt> Most tone modes operate at an offset from carrier frequency, so that
>      Matt> the audio frequencies of interest are more or less cenetered in the
>      Matt> filter passband.  I believe the JTx modes are already in the 1200 to
>      Matt> 1500 Hz range so no offset is required.
>
> Hi Matt,
> actually, I'm seeing JT9 stations transmitting at 3400 Hz, and who knows
> if there are some even above that. JT65+JT9 uses quite a wide receive
> window.
>
>
>      Matt> The crystal filter being used only restricts the bandwidth of the RX
>      Matt> chain (1st IF).  The DSP imposes its own audio filtering on the
>      Matt> baseband, and that's what you're seeing as rolloff below ~300 and
>      Matt> above ~3500 Hz.
>
> Yes, and that was what I wanted to know. I've read in this mailing list
> that the DSP limits the audio at 4 kHz. I'm seeing it roll off at little
> above 3400. The low end rolls off at around 300, so I'm getting an audio
> passband of ~3100 Hz. I wonder if this is normal, or if there's
> something else I can tweak in the settings.
>
>
> Pf
>

From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 23 16:28:45 2015
From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 15:28:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 or Sub Rx
Message-ID: <BLU179-W117F895D64262C4ABA534EC1630@phx.gbl>

While I've always been extremely fond of my sub rcvr and found it invaluable for chasing split operations---I never got so attached to my P3---until now.
 
I just finished building a one-meter diameter small transmitting loop for 10-20M operation in my condo back yard.  Tuning it is so very easy now---all I have to do is watch the advancing wave of noise and signals rise until the crest of the wave is centered on my P3 screen!  Voila!  I set the span to 200kHz and the delay to about 6ms and the results on the P3 remind me of my old body surfing days in KH6 as I would often watch the waves off to the side (like seeing a cross-section) until I saw one I wanted to try.
 
Worth every penny to me now that I found a slightly different than intended use for it with my "magnetic loop" antenna.  Other Elecrafters with sharp-tuning high Q loops like mine should take note as the P3 becomes an essential operating aid when tuning them for resonance at the desired operating frequency.
 
Thank you, Elecraft for making my radio life a little bit easier!
 
73,
 
Jeff,  NH7RO



    
 
 
 

   		 	   		  

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 16:36:48 2015
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <55DA29A4.9070005@blomand.net>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
	<55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D7FF1E.1060502@triconet.org> <55DA29A4.9070005@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

The scale calibration --is-- compressed to the right of center,
--not-- to the left as you state, making the left portion expanded
and easier to read.

73!

Ken - K0PP

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

>
> This seems to have things really screwed up.   Yes, the Bird 43 is a 5% of
> F.S. accuracy instrument.   The Bird 43P is somewhat less accurate,
> although 5% F S with carrier, and more like 8% F S or so in peak mode.
> In measuring a 100 watt radio with a 100 watt F S slug would seem to be
> most accurate.    Total accuracy decreases as the indicated value
> approaches the left side of the scale.   Now using a 250 watt slug to
> measure a 100 watt radio,  the earlier states that most accuracy is to the
> left of center, which by the way, is the compressed side of the scale.
> This makes no sense as the scale markings are much more difficult to
> approximate.   In fact the most accurate area is to the right of center
> toward full scale is the expanded scale  which is where the highest
> accuracy actually occurs.   With a 100 watt radio and a 100 watt F S  slug
> the error is +/- 5 watts at 100 watts.  Using a 250 watt element and
> measuring 100 watts near center scale the error is more like +/- 12.5 watts
> or 5% of the  F S value.
>
> If one measures the same power source with identical elements and gets
> different results, they should refrain from buying ham fest elements for
> indeed the elements are not identical.  To wit, I purchased 3 new 100 watt
> elements and 3 new 2500 watt elements. They all give identical results +/-
> the width of the pointer.  I don't buy ham fest Bird elements as I find
> they are junk and not worth the brass they contain.
>
> And remember, Bird 43 instruments are calibrated for only a 50 resistive
> load.  Any other load being used leaves one with a "best guess" situation
> as to actual power.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/21/2015 11:48 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>
So by your "logic" it would be best to measure one Watt using a 100W
>> element.
>>
>> On 8/21/2015 8:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>>
>>> Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
>>> element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level. Take a
>>> look
>>> at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the most
>>> accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better for
>>> measuring 100W.
>>>
>>> Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with identical Bird
>>> elements......
>>>
>>> Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously subject to the
>>> accuracy of the final indicating instrument.
>>>
>>> FWIW .....
>>>
>>> 73l
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From pf at tippete.net  Sun Aug 23 16:45:29 2015
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:45:29 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX
	DATA/DATA A mode?
In-Reply-To: <55DA2B35.6050308@subich.com> (Joe Subich's message of "Sun, 23
	Aug 2015 16:21:09 -0400")
References: <87d1yedjja.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
	<to6ktahsd1dtd0b2i2bqp9n387m4t8u0an@4ax.com>
	<878u91eqax.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <55DA2B35.6050308@subich.com>
Message-ID: <874mjpenti.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> writes:


    Joe> It depends on your "roofing" filter ... If you have an AM (6 KHz) or
    Joe> FM (13 KHz) filter, you will see 300 Hz to 4200 Hz with FC=2.20 and
    Joe> BW=4.00 (at -3dB).  If you only have a 2.8 KHz filter, bandwidth
    Joe> will be around 2800 Hz (900 - 3700 with FC=2.20 and BW=4.00 or 400 -
    Joe> 3200 with FC=1.60 and BW=4.00).

    Joe> If you see roll-off at 3400 Hz you either have a narrow roofing filter
    Joe> or the DSP center frequency (FC) is set too low.

    Joe> 73,

Thanks Joe,
this is exactly what I needed to know. I'm using the FM filter, and
moving the passband up (by using SHIFT until FC=2.2), I can get the full
4 kHz, from slightly less than 300 Hz to slightly more than 4100.
I've saved this as NORM2 for data mode. 

Pf




-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx

From n4ua.va at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 16:46:51 2015
From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
	<55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D7FF1E.1060502@triconet.org> <55DA29A4.9070005@blomand.net>
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> The scale calibration --is-- compressed to the right of center,
> --not-- to the left as you state, making the left portion expanded
> and easier to read.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken - K0PP
>

?Easier to read, perhaps, but less accurate. To read 100 W with the highest
accuracy, you have to use a 100W slug. (period).

73,

geo - n4ua?


>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > This seems to have things really screwed up.   Yes, the Bird 43 is a 5%
> of
> > F.S. accuracy instrument.   The Bird 43P is somewhat less accurate,
> > although 5% F S with carrier, and more like 8% F S or so in peak mode.
> > In measuring a 100 watt radio with a 100 watt F S slug would seem to be
> > most accurate.    Total accuracy decreases as the indicated value
> > approaches the left side of the scale.   Now using a 250 watt slug to
> > measure a 100 watt radio,  the earlier states that most accuracy is to
> the
> > left of center, which by the way, is the compressed side of the scale.
> > This makes no sense as the scale markings are much more difficult to
> > approximate.   In fact the most accurate area is to the right of center
> > toward full scale is the expanded scale  which is where the highest
> > accuracy actually occurs.   With a 100 watt radio and a 100 watt F S
> slug
> > the error is +/- 5 watts at 100 watts.  Using a 250 watt element and
> > measuring 100 watts near center scale the error is more like +/- 12.5
> watts
> > or 5% of the  F S value.
> >
> > If one measures the same power source with identical elements and gets
> > different results, they should refrain from buying ham fest elements for
> > indeed the elements are not identical.  To wit, I purchased 3 new 100
> watt
> > elements and 3 new 2500 watt elements. They all give identical results
> +/-
> > the width of the pointer.  I don't buy ham fest Bird elements as I find
> > they are junk and not worth the brass they contain.
> >
> > And remember, Bird 43 instruments are calibrated for only a 50 resistive
> > load.  Any other load being used leaves one with a "best guess" situation
> > as to actual power.
> >
> > 73
> > Bob, K4TAX
> > K3S s/n 10,163
> >
> > On 8/21/2015 11:48 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> >
> So by your "logic" it would be best to measure one Watt using a 100W
> >> element.
> >>
> >> On 8/21/2015 8:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full scale ... a 100W
> >>> element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output level. Take a
> >>> look
> >>> at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be read with the
> most
> >>> accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is much better
> for
> >>> measuring 100W.
> >>>
> >>> Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with identical
> Bird
> >>> elements......
> >>>
> >>> Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously subject to the
> >>> accuracy of the final indicating instrument.
> >>>
> >>> FWIW .....
> >>>
> >>> 73l
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Aug 23 16:59:51 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 13:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S or K3
In-Reply-To: <55D72A73.1040904@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-5352CFE3CB6F43C49AC8D9DE93D29F06@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Before I got my K3 I spent about a year trying to decide between:

  Better radio vs. More fun assembling it

When the XYL approved of the K3 UI and agreed I should buy one that made the decision.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 8/21/15 at 6:41 AM, bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb) wrote:

> I have also discovered that the currently available K2 has undergone some significant upgrading as 
> well.  I am beginning to think that a new K2 is what would suit me best.

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 23 17:14:27 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:14:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net> <55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com>
	<55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D7FF1E.1060502@triconet.org> <55DA29A4.9070005@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DA37B3.8050702@blomand.net>

Thank you.   I stand corrected on the point.  Not physically having it 
in front of me, I was recalling another power meter I use more 
frequently.  It is expanded up scale and compressed down scale.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/23/2015 3:36 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Bob,
>
> The scale calibration --is-- compressed to the right of center,
> --not-- to the left as you state, making the left portion expanded
> and easier to read.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX 
> <rmcgraw at blomand.net <mailto:rmcgraw at blomand.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     This seems to have things really screwed up.   Yes, the Bird 43 is
>     a 5% of F.S. accuracy instrument.   The Bird 43P is somewhat less
>     accurate, although 5% F S with carrier, and more like 8% F S or so
>     in peak mode.    In measuring a 100 watt radio with a 100 watt F S
>     slug would seem to be most accurate.    Total accuracy decreases
>     as the indicated value approaches the left side of the scale. 
>      Now using a 250 watt slug to measure a 100 watt radio,  the
>     earlier states that most accuracy is to the left of center, which
>     by the way, is the compressed side of the scale.  This makes no
>     sense as the scale markings are much more difficult to
>     approximate.   In fact the most accurate area is to the right of
>     center toward full scale is the expanded scale  which is where the
>     highest accuracy actually occurs.   With a 100 watt radio and a
>     100 watt F S  slug the error is +/- 5 watts at 100 watts.  Using a
>     250 watt element and measuring 100 watts near center scale the
>     error is more like +/- 12.5 watts or 5% of the  F S value.
>
>     If one measures the same power source with identical elements and
>     gets different results, they should refrain from buying ham fest
>     elements for indeed the elements are not identical.  To wit, I
>     purchased 3 new 100 watt elements and 3 new 2500 watt elements.
>     They all give identical results +/- the width of the pointer.  I
>     don't buy ham fest Bird elements as I find they are junk and not
>     worth the brass they contain.
>
>     And remember, Bird 43 instruments are calibrated for only a 50
>     resistive load.  Any other load being used leaves one with a "best
>     guess" situation as to actual power.
>
>     73
>     Bob, K4TAX
>     K3S s/n 10,163
>
>     On 8/21/2015 11:48 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>
>         So by your "logic" it would be best to measure one Watt using
>         a 100W element.
>
>         On 8/21/2015 8:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>
>             Bird accuracy is specified to be +/- 5% of meter full
>             scale ... a 100W
>             element would be a poor choice to measure a 100W output
>             level. Take a look
>             at any Bird's meter scale.  It's not linear and can be
>             read with the most
>             accuracy to the left of center scale.  A 250W element is
>             much better for
>             measuring 100W.
>
>             Wanna chase your tail?  Measure the same power source with
>             identical Bird
>             elements......
>
>             Don's method is better, but all methods are obviously
>             subject to the
>             accuracy of the final indicating instrument.
>
>             FWIW .....
>
>             73l
>
>
>
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From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Sun Aug 23 18:19:37 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:19:37 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S DB9 Conn - If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55DA14F6.9000008@ptd.net>
References: <015f01d0ddb8$6f03b7e0$4d0b27a0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55DA14F6.9000008@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <55DA46F9.90608@k5dkz.com>


Bob wrote:
> Well, yes.   But a major design consideration used to be, "available 
> at Radio Shack".


That was true in 1980,  before the Shack began specializing in cell 
phones and ring tones.

From bsusb at k5dkz.com  Sun Aug 23 18:33:53 2015
From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bs usb)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:33:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>


George Danner wrote:
> Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon
> learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
>
> 73 George AI4VZ
>

Actually the real idiots are the ones attempting to do the idiot proofing.

I have never understood why anyone would want to build equipment that 
could be used by idiots.

From aj4tf at arrl.net  Sun Aug 23 17:53:12 2015
From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:53:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 calibration questions
In-Reply-To: <55DA2029.8030805@embarqmail.com>
References: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>
	<55DA2029.8030805@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1440366792981-7606670.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don,
I use my K2 on JT65 all the time, in fact I hardly ever even pick up the
microphone anymore.  I find that I need it to warm up for about 15 minutes
before the VFO stops slowly drifting.  However, even cold, the short term
drift on the K2 is slow enough to run JT65 without issues (at least mine
is!).

Thanks for all you contribute to this forum!

73,  David AJ4TF  High Point, NC   K2 # 7006




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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 17:57:56 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:57:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
	<55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <55DA41E4.2040708@socal.rr.com>



On 8/23/15 3:33 PM, bs usb wrote:
> I have never understood why anyone would want to 
> build equipment that could be used by idiots.
They try to understand their customer base? :-)

Phil W7OX

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 18:08:05 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:08:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S or K3
In-Reply-To: <55D72A73.1040904@k5dkz.com>
References: <55D72A73.1040904@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.1D973CF1-D2B5-42E9-9FAF-F6F757563763@mail.outlook.com>

What is leading you towards considering a K2? What do you plan to use it for?
I really enjoyed building and using my K2. The QSK on it is smooth and silent, whether QRP or with the KXPA100, and I love being able to switch seamlessly between paddle and straight key without having to change anything on the radio.
I miss the PX3 panadapter when using the K2 -- maybe at some point I'll tap the IF and use a softrock SDR + laptop to get a panadapter display.
I haven't used the K2 for any digital modes so far -- I think there are some mods recommended first. Frequency stability could possibly be a concern with some of the more fussy digi modes -- although I have to say the K2 I bought/built last year came with all the latest improvements and the stability is really very good, certainly more than enough for CW and SSB. Maybe some other K2 owners can comment on their digimode experiences.
You didn't mention KX3 in your mail, that is another option worth considering, depending on your requirements.

73, Matt VK2RQ

    _____________________________
From: bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com>
Sent: vendredi, ao?t 21, 2015 10:41 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S or K3
To:  <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>


I recently posted a poorly crafted question on the subject.  Since then 
I have come to realize that there is no definitive answer.  Too many 
possible configurations.

However, I have learned a lot.

Apparently the biggest improvement comes from the new synthesizer and 
the K3 can also be upgraded to be almost a K3S.  So asking which is 
better from a performance standpoint does not make much sense.

I have not actually done the arithmetic but I am willing to bet there is 
not much cost differential between a K3S and a fully upgraded K3.

I have also discovered that the currently available K2 has undergone 
some significant upgrading as well.  I am beginning to think that a new 
K2 is what would suit me best.


-- 
Frank-K5DKZ

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 23 18:29:18 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 calibration questions
In-Reply-To: <1440366792981-7606670.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <660ECE81-A1C4-4B37-B959-CF3969E6DA4E@fuse.net>
	<55DA2029.8030805@embarqmail.com>
	<1440366792981-7606670.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55DA493E.2010509@embarqmail.com>

David,

I concede on that, and yes, warmup drift is normal.  I erred in using 
JT65 as the example, it just requires frequency stability (which the K2 
can do after warmup).  What I really intended are a few modern data 
modes that I understand must be 'netted' to a specific frequency, down 
to the single digit Hz.
The 20 Hz DAC steps in the K2 BFO may not allow that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/23/2015 5:53 PM, aj4tf wrote:
> Don,
> I use my K2 on JT65 all the time, in fact I hardly ever even pick up the
> microphone anymore.  I find that I need it to warm up for about 15 minutes
> before the VFO stops slowly drifting.  However, even cold, the short term
> drift on the K2 is slow enough to run JT65 without issues (at least mine
> is!).
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 23 19:00:54 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] what audio passband should I expect in TX
 DATA/DATA A mode?
In-Reply-To: <878u91eqax.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
References: <87d1yedjja.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
	<to6ktahsd1dtd0b2i2bqp9n387m4t8u0an@4ax.com>
	<878u91eqax.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net>
Message-ID: <55DA50A6.5010805@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Guys,

As an active WSJT-mode user, I'll attempt to clarify this set of issues. 
For a more complete answer, download the WSJT 10 and WSJT-X pdf documents.

WSJT 10 and WSJT-X are designed for the rig to be set for the full USB 
bandwidth of an average radio. Each mode has an agreed upon slice of 
each of the HF and VHF bands. For JT65, WSJT-X includes as defaults the 
dial frequencies for those agreed upon slices, which are from about 400 
Hz to about 3 kHz above the dial frequency.  The 400 Hz and 3 kHz points 
are the result of the IF filters, and can be varied a bit from one radio 
to another. On 20M, for example, a dial frequency of 14,076 kHz puts 
JT65 between 14,076.4 and 14,079.

The slice for JT9 is 2 kHz higher, with a dial frequency 2 kHz higher. 
This puts their operating slice between 14,078.4 and about 14,081 kHz. 
Note the overlap, which is intentional. WSJT-X can be set to decode BOTH 
JT65 and JT9. If, for example, you call CQ with a dial frequency of 
14,076 and 2.2 kHz audio, it will be within the passband of other radios 
tuned to 14076, and they can decode you. Go higher than 3 kHz audio and 
you're taking your chances. :)

This one for Matt: Joe Taylor, K1JT, the inventor of the WSJT modes, 
strongly recommends that the rig be set for full USB bandwidth, and that 
we allow his software to do the filtering to separate signals from each 
other. We talked about this at Pacificon several years ago. The reason 
is simple -- filters creates phase shift, and phase shift is the enemy 
of good decoding.

Another thing -- WSJT-X is undergoing extensive development, and will 
eventually include most WSJT modes, not just JT65 and JT9. The latest 
versions of WSJT-X have added a feature that, if the rig supports it, 
will set the rig for split mode with different audio tones on the TX 
than the RX but setting the split so that they come out on the right 
frequency!

Again, RTFM -- this time the WSJT-X manual.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,8/23/2015 12:51 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote:
>>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> writes:
>
>      Matt> Hi Pf,
>      Matt> Most tone modes operate at an offset from carrier frequency, so that
>      Matt> the audio frequencies of interest are more or less cenetered in the
>      Matt> filter passband.  I believe the JTx modes are already in the 1200 to
>      Matt> 1500 Hz range so no offset is required.
>
> Hi Matt,
> actually, I'm seeing JT9 stations transmitting at 3400 Hz, and who knows
> if there are some even above that. JT65+JT9 uses quite a wide receive
> window.
>
>
>      Matt> The crystal filter being used only restricts the bandwidth of the RX
>      Matt> chain (1st IF).  The DSP imposes its own audio filtering on the
>      Matt> baseband, and that's what you're seeing as rolloff below ~300 and
>      Matt> above ~3500 Hz.
>
> Yes, and that was what I wanted to know. I've read in this mailing list
> that the DSP limits the audio at 4 kHz. I'm seeing it roll off at little
> above 3400. The low end rolls off at around 300, so I'm getting an audio
> passband of ~3100 Hz. I wonder if this is normal, or if there's
> something else I can tweak in the settings.
>
>
> Pf
>


From n0nb at n0nb.us  Sun Aug 23 19:31:51 2015
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON
In-Reply-To: <g77ktadhmgd0jvv7hfqea5nr83tstbumjl@4ax.com>
References: <000a01d0ddd7$a83028e0$f8907aa0$@carolina.rr.com>
	<g77ktadhmgd0jvv7hfqea5nr83tstbumjl@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20150823233151.GO3221@n0nb.us>

That's just the "problem".  The K3 is so clean that it's almost boring
to watch the display.  Although, I can see the RFI that occurs with my
fan dipole connected to the outboard tuner with using the amplifier on
160m (it clears when I disconnect it).  I am getting more value from the
Wattmeter and SWR displays, but watching the waveform while I talk is
neat.

I have yet to transmit PSK or another digi mode with the P3TXMON in
line.  Maybe this evening!

73, Nate

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

From g8tkv at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Aug 23 19:41:25 2015
From: g8tkv at yahoo.co.uk (alan)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 23:41:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in it should work
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25414.1440352666.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.25414.1440352666.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1441334979.723330.1440373285836.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

There is no doubt there are many fields where being able to plug something wrongly is life threatening or way too expensive an outcome. But, there are many more electrical/electronic systems than different plugs and sockets. ?It is simply not realistic to achieve although a connector with several key-way options can give 2^n different fits. ?Edge fit PCB connectors used that method.Witness the number of different mike plug options even for mating plugs. ?The two pole version used by Kenwood and Yaesu some 20 years ago were different polarity. ?Realistically we are forced back to colour if possible (PS2 mouse & keyboard) and good labels. ?As soon as third party kit is introduced then all bets are off.73 ?Alan ?G0HIQ
    
 
  

From esteptony at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 19:42:15 2015
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:42:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
	<55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmMY3FJDSWtKEj0-W6XMBfja21LpibSwMLdh=K7AydM1mg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 5:33 PM, bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com> wrote:

>
> George Danner wrote:
>
>> Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon
>> learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
>>
>> =============
The local Micro-Center store sells T-shirts that say "When you have it
idiot-proofed, we'll build a better idiot."

Tony KT0NY

From wes at triconet.org  Sun Aug 23 19:42:48 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:42:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON question?
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55D77D4E.2070309@cableone.net>
	<55D7CD36.6090303@embarqmail.com><55D7E0A4.3070002@blomand.net><CAD4CdTNOjw=QZCukN1mW4mcJOm656ZUa6Y077HFJriZ+1zKceA@mail.gmail.
	com><55D7FF1E.1060502@triconet.org> <55DA29A4.9070005@blomand.net>
	<CAD4CdTOsKSLrC8ePijMgq29M9DA5OeLXsePSMMe_Egfc11Jefg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DA5A78.9000605@triconet.org>

In other words. you can read a less accurate value with greater precision.

On 8/23/2015 1:36 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Bob,
>
> The scale calibration --is-- compressed to the right of center,
> --not-- to the left as you state, making the left portion expanded
> and easier to read.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken - K0PP
>


From daleputnam at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 23 19:45:20 2015
From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:45:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>,
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>,
	<55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <COL131-W95B7BE83DFDF8B549B8814D0630@phx.gbl>


George Danner wrote:
> Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon
> learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
>
> 73 George AI4VZAnd keep in mind.. just one itsy thing.. this is a hobby, it is a unique tool to LEARN with, not solely for the entertainment of the masses.
Through AMATEUR radio, many strides have been made, through the auspices of "don't touch it till we make is safe!".. I can not think of ONE.. not a single advancement made in amateur radio. IF it can't be touched until it is totally safe, just exactly who proofs the floor in your bedroom every morning, who starts your coffee... ok.. too far? Who is it that proved the trips to outer space were safe? No risk there? Right. ok.. too far? So just where does it stop,... and just exactly where does one actually accept the risk of living... of being free... or is that what we are really talking about?  IF you don't want to play.. ok fine.. then don't.  IF you do... then learn, accept the risks and LEARN.. make notes.. review the notes.. LEARN.. if you don't like the way something is done.. build a better mousetrap.. they will come.. but do NOT try to stuff a mousetrap with a broken spring.. into my shopping bag. I still want to learn. 

Have a great day, 
 
 
--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
 
 



 		 	   		  

From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sun Aug 23 20:14:59 2015
From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 01:14:59 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmMY3FJDSWtKEj0-W6XMBfja21LpibSwMLdh=K7AydM1mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com><9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu><21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop><55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
	<CACHwrmMY3FJDSWtKEj0-W6XMBfja21LpibSwMLdh=K7AydM1mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <628E3E0DE6844061B4C6BD48B111175B@Paramount>

I once tried to idiot-proof a Theatre Organ console on its lift, by using a 
very stout multi-way connector for power and lift control, along with much 
smaller connectors for signals etc., There was no way that it was possible 
to put the wrong plug in the wrong socket, not even with a hammer!!!

So what did the contractor/builders do? They did not read the large yellow 
and black notice on the rear of the console that instructed them to remove 
all plugs before moving the console. The result was that they gave the 2 ton 
console a hefty shove to start it moving and smashed the sh*t out of the 
connectors.

Well, I didn't see that one coming!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Estep
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 12:42 AM
To: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work

The local Micro-Center store sells T-shirts that say "When you have it
idiot-proofed, we'll build a better idiot."

Tony KT0NY


From brian at brianlinn.com  Sun Aug 23 20:21:09 2015
From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian Linn)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
Message-ID: <000001d0de02$c8ad0ef0$5a072cd0$@com>

To Anyone!

 

Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run

Version: 1.14.4.10

Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit

Observations:

1)      It appears to correctly install

2)      When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)

3)      The application window does not show on the screen.

4)      The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
Applications.

5)      If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task Manager
processes.

6)      The application then goes into a Not Responding state.

 

Any ideas are welcome.

 

73, 

Brian KD0HII


From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Sun Aug 23 20:24:34 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:24:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <628E3E0DE6844061B4C6BD48B111175B@Paramount>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net><D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu><CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com><9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu><21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop><55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
	<CACHwrmMY3FJDSWtKEj0-W6XMBfja21LpibSwMLdh=K7AydM1mg@mail.gmail.com>
	<628E3E0DE6844061B4C6BD48B111175B@Paramount>
Message-ID: <55DA6442.1070402@socal.rr.com>

Honorable Mention in the Darwin Awards :-)

Phil W7OX

On 8/23/15 5:14 PM, G4GNX wrote:
> I once tried to idiot-proof a Theatre Organ 
> console on its lift, by using a very stout 
> multi-way connector for power and lift control, 
> along with much smaller connectors for signals 
> etc., There was no way that it was possible to 
> put the wrong plug in the wrong socket, not even 
> with a hammer!!!
>
> So what did the contractor/builders do? They did 
> not read the large yellow and black notice on 
> the rear of the console that instructed them to 
> remove all plugs before moving the console. The 
> result was that they gave the 2 ton console a 
> hefty shove to start it moving and smashed the 
> sh*t out of the connectors.
>
> Well, I didn't see that one coming!
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Estep
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 12:42 AM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it 
> should work
>
> The local Micro-Center store sells T-shirts that 
> say "When you have it
> idiot-proofed, we'll build a better idiot."
>
> Tony KT0NY


From jim at rhodesend.net  Sun Aug 23 20:59:52 2015
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com> <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4baMVNa-ZsvU+voLJgX0_nA-psNdurPLmBqTa1o-w5=iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, you just showed us your noob status. Many people ask this same
question and while I don't mind if someone mentions a model in a subject I
never would think of filtering. We are one group. Filter away if you want.
I have a very well worn delete key and it gets a daily test. But I want
them all delivered. And enough of us feel this way that if  you do filter
to see only "k3s" you will only see a fraction of "k3s" posts.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> For those that might have a more or less interest in various
> products.........
>
> Why not a K3/K3S reflector?
> Why not a P3 reflector?
> Why not a KX3 reflector?
> Why not a K2 reflector?
>
> and so on.
>
> At least put the model in the subject line.  That way I can eliminate
> automatically the "not interested" items.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
>
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 21:03:31 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 04:03:31 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
In-Reply-To: <55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
References: <mailman.25380.1440331224.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<D1FF209C.11DD5%edauer@law.du.edu>
	<CANckpc2u0Crkcb89YS=q6iAbt9gfP_=Oip0BieOymL_2mSvd3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BC76580-CBB9-45F0-9191-88FD50587456@law.du.edu>
	<21CAC5790C714B889F783DDAAF94ABC1@OfficeDeskTop>
	<55DA4A51.70702@k5dkz.com>
Message-ID: <9C164E04-3FF6-408D-9C4C-8AE496F637FF@gmail.com>

Everyone is an idiot sometimes.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:33 AM, bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> George Danner wrote:
>> Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon
>> learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
>> 
>> 73 George AI4VZ
>> 
> 
> Actually the real idiots are the ones attempting to do the idiot proofing.
> 
> I have never understood why anyone would want to build equipment that could be used by idiots.

From k5hm.ron at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 21:48:17 2015
From: k5hm.ron at gmail.com (K5HM)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button settings
Message-ID: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>

Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite functions to assign
to the P3 buttons.  I already have a few different Span settings assigned to
the first four but what to do with the rest?

73,
Ron, K5HM
k5hm.ron at gmail.com
www.qrz.com/db/k5hm

??????? Excelsior!



From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun Aug 23 22:22:13 2015
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:22:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
Message-ID: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>

This is a tough one given that everyone else is likely running without issue.

The common/obvious question: did you install as Administrator and are you running the utility as Administrator? Depending on resource requests from the program this can be a problem. Is the user you are running as an Administrator? If not, right click on the setup file and select ?Run as Administrator?. Do the same when running the Utility. 

I just downloaded the latest utility and installed/ran without issue.  This is Win10 x64, but I also run it on W7.

Ken K6MR


From: Brian Linn
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 17:22
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility


To Anyone!

?

Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run

Version: 1.14.4.10

Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit

Observations:

1)????? It appears to correctly install

2)????? When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)

3)????? The application window does not show on the screen.

4)????? The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
Applications.

5)????? If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task Manager
processes.

6)????? The application then goes into a Not Responding state.

?

Any ideas are welcome.

?

73, 

Brian KD0HII

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 23 23:10:27 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button settings
In-Reply-To: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
References: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DA8B23.5010403@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I put the Peak Toggle and the Fixed Tune Toggle on buttons. To capture 
the measurements that I want to save to a USB drive, I have the commands 
to Freeze the display and to save the screen assigned to buttons on one 
of my P3s. The other P3 has more span settings.

73, Jim K9YC

  On Sun,8/23/2015 6:48 PM, K5HM wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite functions to assign
> to the P3 buttons.  I already have a few different Span settings assigned to
> the first four but what to do with the rest?


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Aug 23 23:20:42 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 23:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button settings
In-Reply-To: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
References: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E2AB101-CD97-4C04-ABE7-6B8CD08D012A@widomaker.com>

Yes.  
Tap:
SVGA DATA toggle
FREEZE toggle
NB toggle
PEAK toggle 

Hold:
FIXTRACK toggle
VFO B cursor toggle
You pick two more

I have Averaging to 10. 
SPAN set to Elecraft steps (2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200). Tap SPAN and turn the dial. Am liking 50 KHz right now. 

There are so many things I'd like to have set so why waste a prg button when there is already one there?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 23, 2015, at 9:48 PM, K5HM <k5hm.ron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite functions to assign
> to the P3 buttons.  I already have a few different Span settings assigned to
> the first four but what to do with the rest?
> 
> 73,
> Ron, K5HM
> k5hm.ron at gmail.com
> www.qrz.com/db/k5hm
> 
>         Excelsior!
> 
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Aug 23 23:55:58 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 19:55:58 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 was K2.....
Message-ID: <201508240356.t7O3twd9030899@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

How many crimp tools?  (accumulated partly for working jobs I had to 
supply my own tools)

Two coax crimpers for RG58/RG59/RG174 - the one I use is ratcheted 
with replaceable dies
One NAPA crimper for butt spices, spades, and ring connectors
One RJ11/RJ45
Two Molex type 1.4 to 2.8mm
One for 50-conductor computer cable and ribbon wire connectors
One snap-ring plier

at work I had a $500 Times Microwave coax crimper up to 1/2 inch 
(LMR-600) connectors.  I do not use crimp-style at home; 
preferring  the old back-nut clamp-style connector for N connectors. 
(retired so no access to this one)

I do make RG58 and RG8x crimped N and BNC connectors (primarily 
shorter jumper cables).
-----------------
From: brian <alsopb at nc.rr.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RJ-45 was K2.....
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Plus there is still another crimp tool to buy/find/use if you want to
make your own connectors.
I wonder who has the most crimp tool laying around and how many. Repair
of the jack on the rig side is no picnic either.

73 de Brian/K3KO


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From peter.hutchison at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 24 05:47:55 2015
From: peter.hutchison at btinternet.com (PETER HUTCHISON)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:47:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3EXREF  Ext. Frequency Reference Input
Message-ID: <2031474416.926053.1440409675134.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi,
Anyone got one of external reference boards (K3EXREF) that is no longer required?
If so, let me know how much and approximate shipping cost to UK.
Thanks, Peter G4URT

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Mon Aug 24 06:47:41 2015
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:47:41 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
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References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com>
	<55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
	<CALhxr4baMVNa-ZsvU+voLJgX0_nA-psNdurPLmBqTa1o-w5=iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DAF64D.8020407@xs4all.nl>

Jim,
You may not mind but it is a formal request by the moderator to do so.
I do filter, but not to delete messages. I use the filter option to have 
the subjects split into different sub-folders, named with the 
corresponding type of equipment.

Deleting what is not of my interest is still an easy task. I simply do 
not know what extra burden it is just to start a question with "K3 " if 
it is specifically about a K3 or "KPA500 " if it concerns a KPA500, in 
the subject line.

Clearly I am against a separate list, for I too like to read all 
discussions to learn more about our common hobby.

73,
Peter

Op 2015-08-24 02:59 schreef Jim Rhodes:
> I don't mind if someone mentions a model in a subject

From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 08:20:54 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
In-Reply-To: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55DB0C26.4090007@gmail.com>

Brian,

I had this happen to me one time.    I believe it was trying to find the
KAT500 on a port that was no longer the correct COM port.   A device was
there but it wasn't the KAT500.    Try unplugging all other USB devices
that you can, leaving only the KAT500 connected,  and start the
application again.  (Kill the task in the process list if you see it's
already there)  If no joy, try disabling any COM port sharing software
you might be using as well.

I just tried to find where the KAT500 utility stores config info and
interestingly didn't find a thing in what looks to be the right place
(  %appdata%\Elecraft\KAT500 Configuration)   The folder is empty!    
Was hoping it was just a config file that we could look at.

Might I suggest you look in the Control Panel Device Manager, and
determine which port is being assigned to the KAT500.   It should be
listed under "Ports and LPT"   It shows up as "USB Serial Port (COMx)"  
Where "x" is a number.  Make mental note of what the COMx is in your
case.    That at least means that the KAT500 is being recognized by the
computer and is assigned a COM port.   If this port assignment doesn't
make sense from what you expect or what it was using previously,
possibly the Utility is hung  while trying to use different port than
what it is being assigned to the KAT500 now-- and not doing a good job
of telling you it's having an issue.

Have you tried uninstalling the Utility completely and then reinstall
it?   Hopefully the uninstaller will remove the incorrect configuration
information on the way out.  The developer needs to chime in on where
that is kept.

Warren
KD4Z


On 8/23/2015 10:22 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
> This is a tough one given that everyone else is likely running without issue.
>
> The common/obvious question: did you install as Administrator and are you running the utility as Administrator? Depending on resource requests from the program this can be a problem. Is the user you are running as an Administrator? If not, right click on the setup file and select ?Run as Administrator?. Do the same when running the Utility. 
>
> I just downloaded the latest utility and installed/ran without issue.  This is Win10 x64, but I also run it on W7.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
> From: Brian Linn
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 17:22
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
>
>
> To Anyone!
>
>  
>
> Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run
>
> Version: 1.14.4.10
>
> Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit
>
> Observations:
>
> 1)      It appears to correctly install
>
> 2)      When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
> as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)
>
> 3)      The application window does not show on the screen.
>
> 4)      The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
> Applications.
>
> 5)      If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
> will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task Manager
> processes.
>
> 6)      The application then goes into a Not Responding state.
>
>  
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
>  
>
> 73, 
>
> Brian KD0HII
>
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From hb9cat at thezollingers.org  Mon Aug 24 09:08:44 2015
From: hb9cat at thezollingers.org (Marco HB9CAT)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:08:44 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <55D7B62E.5090500@subich.com>
References: <1440069818036.14765.97210@webmail2>
	<55D63507.1010103@subich.com>	<08d501d0dc5a$60117ab0$20347010$@thezollingers.org>
	<55D7B62E.5090500@subich.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d0de6e$01c76d00$05564700$@thezollingers.org>

All,

FYI I've got a response from Microham as well, expanding Joe's response:

- direct INH connection to K3: OK if Station Master has at least Hardware revision 4
- SM grounds Inhibit output when everything is OK
- SM is pretty conservative and will set Inhibit for any non-normal condition, like antenna switching, SteppIR tuning, band locks, PA locks. Interesting enough these include events "inherited" by other Microham devices through the iLink connection. In my case a for example MK2R+ setting a "same band lock".

Thanks for all replies, topic closed

Marco HB9CAT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: sabato, 22. agosto 2015 01:37
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?


> Then why do I measure 12V in "rest state", when no switching occurs?
> Isn't it the other way around ? (I can't test it right now)

No, High is the at rest state - Inhibit line is pulled low *after* PTT - the time delay is set in the PTT & Sequencer settings.

> PA PTT is currently given by an MK2R+ so SM PTT doesn't apply; but if 
> SM would set INH during tuning the K3 wouldn?t TX

PTT and PA PTT in MK2R+ are coupled to PTT in SM via iLINK.  SM KEYOUT (on PA Port) and MK2R+ PA PTT are the same (logical) signal.  PA PTT and KEYOUT are inhibited (blocked) if SteppIR is tuning independent of any use of the inhibit output.  Since Icom and Kenwood transceivers do not support inhibit, the amplifier must be disabled when tuning.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/21/2015 5:43 PM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your reply Joe, my Station Masters are pretty new
> (2014/2015) so I shall be safe to connect Inhibit directly.
>
>> Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the 
>> Inhibit
> line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).
> Then why do I measure 12V in "rest state", when no switching occurs ? 
> Isn't it the other way around ? (I can't test it right now)
>
>> PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still 
>> possible as
> is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.
> PA PTT is currently given by an MK2R+ so SM PTT doesn't apply; but if 
> SM would set INH during tuning the K3 wouldn?t TX
>
> Are we both the only ones using Station Masters with Elecraft ? 
> Curious to gather experiences
>
> Marco HB9CAT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: gioved?, 20. agosto 2015 22:14
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microham Station Master Inhibit -> K3 ?
>
>
>   > According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be  > 
> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted  > 
> to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage  
> > on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>
> Measure the current on the SM Inhibit jack.  Early units sourced +12V 
> across a 2K2 pull-down to inhibit in order to work with some early
> Yaesu rigs.   Later units have changed the output to a 4K7 pull-up
> resistor to +12V and an NPN transistor that pulls the +12V to ground 
> to transmit.  If you see more than 3 mA on the Inhibit line, you have 
> an early unit.
>
> The K3 Inhibit input is a 220 Ohm resistor to a port on the controller.
> The later versions of Station Master should be fine with it (3 mA max
> current) but if you have an early Station Master, I'd use a voltage 
> divider or a series resistor and shunt 5.1V zener diode between the 
> Station Master and K3.
>
>   > Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this  
> > signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
>   > Anyone has experience ?
>
> Just like Yaesu, SM Inhibit provides +12V to inhibit and pulls the 
> Inhibit line low to enable transmit (/Inhibit).
>
>   > Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does  
> > Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>
> PA PTT is inhibited during antenna tuning.  Low power is still 
> possible as is the case with SteppIR's own tuning relay.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 8/20/2015 7:23 AM, Marco HB9CAT wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm optimizing the shack setup and taking a more careful look at hot 
>> switching; Antenna switching is managed through a couple of Microham 
>> Station Masters, which provide an Inhibit Output as cinch connector.
>> So Inhibit will be set during any Antenna transtition to protect the 
>> switches, the PA etc.
>>
>> According to the Microham manual this output is provided to be 
>> connected to Yaesu, TenTec and Elecraft transceivers; I was tempted 
>> to plug it directly into my K3, but I decided to measure the voltage 
>> on the Station Master's Inhibit out connector: it's 13V.
>>
>> Question 1: Is that voltage OK to be connected to the Inhibit pin in 
>> the K3's ACC connector ? I prefer to ask before doing it.
>>
>> Question 2: I assume Station Master's Inhibit is active when this 
>> signal goes to 0V, so K3's TX INH configuration shall be LO=INH.
>> Anyone has experience ?
>>
>> Question 3: Station Master is controlling a SteppIR antenna: does 
>> Inhibit activate during the antenna tuning procedures ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marco, HB9CAT
>>
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 24 09:18:49 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:18:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity Audio Equalizer question / clarification
Message-ID: <001c01d0de6f$6af8c9d0$40ea5d70$@carolinaheli.com>


Reading the manual I see there's an audio equalizer feature to tune the audio to our liking. Is it possible when using subrx to independently adjust the equalizer for each ear? I ask because I have some hearing loss at some frequencies from my time in the Navy. As a result, sounds are often different when heard by each ear. I'd like to be able to tune each side for comfort and best sound. My inference is that each receiver has it's own DSP so the capability may already be available and I'm missing it in the manual. From what I read it appears to be an adjustment for overall RX or TX and not RX Left/Right. 
If this is not an available function I'd like to submit it as a possible feature add for future revisions.

Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore
AE4PB, Future K3S owner.


From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 09:28:52 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button Settings
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCZAcfZCOYffVa+k9uJwBHDoiGXk=2gWDCretAM-T+jFzw@mail.gmail.com>

>Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite >functions to assign
>to the P3 buttons.

I have one button assigned to RESET that is handy when I use the P3 to
see my transmitted signal (like the received ones). Handy for judging
your TX EQ settings.

Jim - W4RKS

From wb5xx at suddenlink.net  Mon Aug 24 09:31:01 2015
From: wb5xx at suddenlink.net (wb5xx at suddenlink.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:31:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Different reflectors for different models
Message-ID: <4141BA28E63345029C82CB69C887846F@SonyLaptop>

I doubt the owners will even consider doing such a thing.Surprised that anyone would propose doing this.I am a reader and not a poster to every subject.

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Aug 24 09:34:49 2015
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 06:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button settings
In-Reply-To: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
References: <001a01d0de0e$f3ab1b90$db0152b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <987mta5s1rcnbc9nuob1tfmmphct52f1r5@4ax.com>

Tap:
Peak
MKRA
zeroWfallMkrs
NB En

Hold:
Freeze
MKRB
zeroWfallAvg
Reset

You probably don't want to put Reset in your lineup.  I do a lot of
firmware testing for the developers.

73,
matt
W6NIA


On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 20:48:17 -0500, you wrote:

>Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite functions to assign
>to the P3 buttons.  I already have a few different Span settings assigned to
>the first four but what to do with the rest?
>
>73,
>Ron, K5HM
>k5hm.ron at gmail.com
>www.qrz.com/db/k5hm
>
>??????? Excelsior!
>
>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon Aug 24 10:01:59 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:01:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button Settings
In-Reply-To: <CAJNRSCZAcfZCOYffVa+k9uJwBHDoiGXk=2gWDCretAM-T+jFzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJNRSCZAcfZCOYffVa+k9uJwBHDoiGXk=2gWDCretAM-T+jFzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701d0de75$73106aa0$59313fe0$@carolinaheli.com>

I've read where it can be used for easy/quick band/mode shortcuts. Typically
you'd want to automate anything that requires multiple button presses and
you often use that setup.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James
Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 9:29 AM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Button Settings

>Anyone have any suggestions with regard to what favorite >functions to 
>assign to the P3 buttons.

I have one button assigned to RESET that is handy when I use the P3 to see
my transmitted signal (like the received ones). Handy for judging your TX EQ
settings.

Jim - W4RKS
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Mon Aug 24 11:02:25 2015
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
Message-ID: <55DB3201.4080903@mebtel.net>

And of course there is a group dedicated to the Elecraft KX-Line (KX3, 
KXPA100 & PX3) at:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/info 
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/info>

We welcome all who are interested in this great rig, as well as in the 
KXPA100 and PX3!  Given the KX-Line's nature and purpose separate from 
the K-Line, it makes sense to have it's own group. Much of the 
discussion focuses on the portable aspect of KX3 use such as batteries, 
antennas, etc.. You do have to sign up for Yahoo Groups to be a member, 
but that is very quick and painless.

The K-Line like most Elecraft equipment is fantastically integrated and 
as such benefits from this once Elecraft discussion group.

Howie - WA4PSC

From wgravett at juno.com  Sat Aug 22 12:28:01 2015
From: wgravett at juno.com (wgravett at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 16:28:01 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KX3 and win4k suite..using multiple virtual com port
	generators
Message-ID: <20150822.162801.25904.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I have both units connected to win4k3.. the k3 on com 3 , the kx3 on com 4. I am using com0com as my virtual port generator on com3 per Tom's advice.

The problem arises with the 3rd party software (LOGGER32) when I switch rigs. com0com is working for the k3 on com 3 , but when I switch to the kx3, I
have no virtual com ports for com 4 and LOGGER32 wont work ie no dynamic kx3 freq readouts on the new contact log page.

Any suggestions ? is there a virtual com port generator out there that will handle multiple com ports at the same time  ?? Can I just unplug the k3 on com 3 or is that really
going to mess things up ?

Thanks for your help.
73,

Bill, W5PGZ
____________________________________________________________
Heavy rains mean flooding
Anywhere it rains it can flood. Learn your risk. Get flood insurance.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55d8a31dd61d231c0a02st02duc

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 24 11:56:28 2015
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:56:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KX3 and win4k suite..using multiple virtual com
	port	generators
In-Reply-To: <20150822.162801.25904.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
References: <20150822.162801.25904.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <e6fec2f8-4d9b-4ca0-a68a-3027888523e7@typeapp.com>

Hi
I have replied off list.
Thanks

Sent from BlueMail



On Aug 24, 2015, 11:07 AM, at 11:07 AM, "wgravett at juno.com" <wgravett at juno.com> wrote:
>I have both units connected to win4k3.. the k3 on com 3 , the kx3 on
>com 4. I am using com0com as my virtual port generator on com3 per
>Tom's advice.
>
>The problem arises with the 3rd party software (LOGGER32) when I switch
>rigs. com0com is working for the k3 on com 3 , but when I switch to the
>kx3, I
>have no virtual com ports for com 4 and LOGGER32 wont work ie no
>dynamic kx3 freq readouts on the new contact log page.
>
>Any suggestions ? is there a virtual com port generator out there that
>will handle multiple com ports at the same time  ?? Can I just unplug
>the k3 on com 3 or is that really
>going to mess things up ?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>73,
>
>Bill, W5PGZ
>____________________________________________________________
>Heavy rains mean flooding
>Anywhere it rains it can flood. Learn your risk. Get flood insurance.
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 12:19:30 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
In-Reply-To: <55DAF64D.8020407@xs4all.nl>
References: <CAC04G9g6oFV=dSogkVoQKi8fu0MxruK4vmn23ikGqfy4fsB0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com> <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
	<CALhxr4baMVNa-ZsvU+voLJgX0_nA-psNdurPLmBqTa1o-w5=iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55DAF64D.8020407@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <CANckpc08CNdombUjBjiVrD+QEnuob6vPdKESLPYxUc4BjTZHcg@mail.gmail.com>

I don't get it.

Even for a whole day of mail for one of the busiest reflectors around, my
Gmail app for the iPhone will let me
delete out personally uninteresting email by subject line in less than 30
seconds.

Are some of us *offended* by seeing email we're not interested in? What's
going on?

I do have Elecraft Mail all gathered to one folder by filter.  All my
reflector mail is filtered to folder by reflector.  If I look at
Elecraft my usual four or five times a day, clearing out uninteresting
subjects is a five second exercise if even that.

Common email tools seem more than adequate to the task. And spam for some
months now seems to be running at a tenth of prior volume.

73, Guy K2AV



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From k2mk at comcast.net  Mon Aug 24 12:47:16 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:47:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Diversity Audio Equalizer question / clarification
In-Reply-To: <001c01d0de6f$6af8c9d0$40ea5d70$@carolinaheli.com>
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Hi Jerry,

That's an interesting question. You can vary the volume of each receiver but
the settings you make in RX EQ apply to both receivers.

73,
Mike K2MK



ae4pb wrote
> Reading the manual I see there's an audio equalizer feature to tune the
> audio to our liking. Is it possible when using subrx to independently
> adjust the equalizer for each ear? I ask because I have some hearing loss
> at some frequencies from my time in the Navy. As a result, sounds are
> often different when heard by each ear. I'd like to be able to tune each
> side for comfort and best sound. My inference is that each receiver has
> it's own DSP so the capability may already be available and I'm missing it
> in the manual. From what I read it appears to be an adjustment for overall
> RX or TX and not RX Left/Right. 
> If this is not an available function I'd like to submit it as a possible
> feature add for future revisions.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, Future K3S owner.





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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Aug 24 13:09:00 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:09:00 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
Message-ID: <201508241709.t7OH909R018974@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Obviously you've never been in the military?  (or forgot?)

The military is a big "testing pool" for "idiots" (please note the 
quotes for idiot-its use is tongue-in-cheek).  I used to work for 
Hughes Aircraft writing "tech manuals" for the military.  You could 
not assume the operator knew anything technical.  You told him what 
to look at and what to push-twist-connect in a very rigid sequence 
with big red WARNING inserted liberally throughout the 
manual.  Typical user was a private with no technical knowledge.  He 
was just going to "use it".

But George is also correct that the process of idiot-proofing is a 
"fools errand".

I heard back for the military techs that worked on this stuff that 
they "ripped the schematics out of the manual" and trashed the 
rest.  So much for my efforts.

Later in my professional life I did apply my tech writing skills 
toward training unskilled personnel on how to set up portable 
repeaters, towers, antennas, etc.  I taught an annual "radio" class 
to "refresh" their memory.  It helped somewhat.  They at least knew 
they were in trouble with me if they broke something - ha!

73, Ed - KL7UW

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From: bs usb <bsusb at k5dkz.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] If it plugs in, then it should work
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George Danner wrote:
 > Once you start down the path to "Idiot-Proofing" equipment, you will soon
 > learn that the average idiot is much more clever than you ever imagined!
 >
 > 73 George AI4VZ

Actually the real idiots are the ones attempting to do the idiot proofing.

I have never understood why anyone would want to build equipment that
could be used by idiots.
<K5DKZ>

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Aug 24 13:10:37 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:10:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Different Reflectors for different models
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	<55D74A41.6060508@subich.com> <55D9DEF2.7060604@blomand.net>
	<CALhxr4baMVNa-ZsvU+voLJgX0_nA-psNdurPLmBqTa1o-w5=iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55DAF64D.8020407@xs4all.nl>
	<CANckpc08CNdombUjBjiVrD+QEnuob6vPdKESLPYxUc4BjTZHcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DB500D.2000409@elecraft.com>

Let's end this thread at this time.

We prefer to keep the Elecraft list as our central and official gathering place 
for info on all of our products. We always post here first when making new 
announcements,  and we also are not able to watch a multitude of different 
fragmented lists 100%. We do try to watch this list as much as possible, both 
for questions and for great product ideas :-)  Also, many of our customers own 
multiple products from Elecraft. This list is the central point to check for 
info on all of our products, and its by far the best place to ask questions 
about any of our products etc.

Plus, this list serves as our major motivator to keep on creating cool products 
for all of you!

73,

Eric
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From mundschenk55 at msn.com  Mon Aug 24 14:18:49 2015
From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:18:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Aux RF mod for Rx out (No Sub-Rx)
Message-ID: <BAY175-W2B24F768C2091E4DF727ECF620@phx.gbl>

I would like to split my K3's Rx feed to also feed my new SDRPlay SDR.
One way is to put a splitter (I'd use a mini-circuits ZFSC-2-1W+ or similar) between the KXV3A's Rx In and Rx out ports and suffer the 3 dB loss (which should be insignificant since my ambient noise is far above the K3's Rx noise floor.Another way - I think - since I do not have a Sub-Rx is to make the Aux-RF BNC an output fed off of the cable that normally feeds (the nonexistent in my case) Sub- Rx.  This leaves RX in/Out available for a transverter later on.  BTW - I think this will still incur the 3 dB loss - albeit insignificant
For those of you who are more familiar with the topology of the K3 - is there a simple way to accomplish #2 without buggering up the rig?
Thanks, Russ KD4JO 		 	   		  

From bill.va3ol at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 14:32:12 2015
From: bill.va3ol at gmail.com (bill.va3ol at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:32:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 for trade.
Message-ID: <CAOcrgCtDvb_o3dbW6cVhi3Z4b974yy8REx0t0=WJcswEXhNRWg@mail.gmail.com>

I want to trade my kx3 with the following options/ add ons:

KX3 ser # 500s
Options - all
Mic, battery chgr, dual roofing filter board, usb cable, internal tuner,
pckt accessory cables, KXPD3 paddles, KXPD3 upgrade kit,

Plus: sidekix and lexan cover ($70)
    DC to DC converter (battery booster) (4 amp)[allows full power out when
using an external SLA battery, even when the battery drops to 10.5 volts.
      8 Eneloop batteries
    XG50 (extended Temperature compensation)[$40]

Appearance 9.9 out of 10: performance: no issues. Pictures on request,
questions happily answered.

I want to trade for a TenTec Eagle with ATU, NB and CW fillter.

Bill, VA3OL Near Orillia, Ontario.

From kf7gc at arrl.net  Mon Aug 24 18:49:05 2015
From: kf7gc at arrl.net (Tomy)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100
Message-ID: <1661841146.40571.1440456545113.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

?For Sale Nice K2-100 with KAT-100 Tuner.Please see add at QTH.COM?73! KF7GC


From dougwe2 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 19:10:29 2015
From: dougwe2 at gmail.com (Doug Wetzel)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] SW TONE
Message-ID: <CACca+=9cr2AUaubUkD8ebV-7cXz_72Fz2UsTieCFwtFYC-mdMA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Dwayne Rohmer for a very  helpful suggestion which solved the
problem.  I had, indeed, turned the CW monitor sidetone down completely,
and returning it to an audible state also returned the button beep to
operation as well.  Kudos to the list for being a superb resource

Doug
K7IP
K3 Sn 4217

From brian at brianlinn.com  Mon Aug 24 19:34:51 2015
From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian Linn)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 18:34:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
In-Reply-To: <55DB0C26.4090007@gmail.com>
References: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>
	<55DB0C26.4090007@gmail.com>
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Warren:

FYI. I'm running into serial ports on the PC, not USB.

Brian KD0HII

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Merkel
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 07:21
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility

Brian,

I had this happen to me one time.    I believe it was trying to find the
KAT500 on a port that was no longer the correct COM port.   A device was
there but it wasn't the KAT500.    Try unplugging all other USB devices
that you can, leaving only the KAT500 connected,  and start the application again.  (Kill the task in the process list if you see it's already there)  If no joy, try disabling any COM port sharing software you might be using as well.

I just tried to find where the KAT500 utility stores config info and interestingly didn't find a thing in what looks to be the right place
(  %appdata%\Elecraft\KAT500 Configuration)   The folder is empty!    
Was hoping it was just a config file that we could look at.

Might I suggest you look in the Control Panel Device Manager, and
determine which port is being assigned to the KAT500.   It should be
listed under "Ports and LPT"   It shows up as "USB Serial Port (COMx)"  
Where "x" is a number.  Make mental note of what the COMx is in your
case.    That at least means that the KAT500 is being recognized by the
computer and is assigned a COM port.   If this port assignment doesn't
make sense from what you expect or what it was using previously, possibly the Utility is hung  while trying to use different port than what it is being assigned to the KAT500 now-- and not doing a good job of telling you it's having an issue.

Have you tried uninstalling the Utility completely and then reinstall
it?   Hopefully the uninstaller will remove the incorrect configuration
information on the way out.  The developer needs to chime in on where that is kept.

Warren
KD4Z


On 8/23/2015 10:22 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
> This is a tough one given that everyone else is likely running without issue.
>
> The common/obvious question: did you install as Administrator and are you running the utility as Administrator? Depending on resource requests from the program this can be a problem. Is the user you are running as an Administrator? If not, right click on the setup file and select ?Run as Administrator?. Do the same when running the Utility. 
>
> I just downloaded the latest utility and installed/ran without issue.  This is Win10 x64, but I also run it on W7.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
>
> From: Brian Linn
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 17:22
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
>
>
> To Anyone!
>
>  
>
> Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run
>
> Version: 1.14.4.10
>
> Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit
>
> Observations:
>
> 1)      It appears to correctly install
>
> 2)      When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
> as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)
>
> 3)      The application window does not show on the screen.
>
> 4)      The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
> Applications.
>
> 5)      If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
> will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task 
> Manager processes.
>
> 6)      The application then goes into a Not Responding state.
>
>  
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
>  
>
> 73,
>
> Brian KD0HII
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 24 19:49:23 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:49:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Aux RF mod for Rx out (No Sub-Rx)
In-Reply-To: <BAY175-W2B24F768C2091E4DF727ECF620@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY175-W2B24F768C2091E4DF727ECF620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55DBAD83.60401@embarqmail.com>

Russ,

Are you trying to use your SDR as a Panadapter, or do you want to share 
the antenna that the K3 is connected to with that receiver?

If you want to use it as a Panadapter, then you need to connect it to 
the K3 IF output (assuming you have the KXV3A option installed).

If you want to share the antenna, then the splitter is a solution - what 
about protection for your SDR receiver when the K3 is transmitting?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Russ wrote:
> I would like to split my K3's Rx feed to also feed my new SDRPlay SDR.
> One way is to put a splitter (I'd use a mini-circuits ZFSC-2-1W+ or similar) between the KXV3A's Rx In and Rx out ports and suffer the 3 dB loss (which should be insignificant since my ambient noise is far above the K3's Rx noise floor.Another way - I think - since I do not have a Sub-Rx is to make the Aux-RF BNC an output fed off of the cable that normally feeds (the nonexistent in my case) Sub- Rx.  This leaves RX in/Out available for a transverter later on.  BTW - I think this will still incur the 3 dB loss - albeit insignificant
> For those of you who are more familiar with the topology of the K3 - is there a simple way to accomplish #2 without buggering up the rig?
>


From mfjue at mfjenterprises.com  Mon Aug 24 21:02:51 2015
From: mfjue at mfjenterprises.com (Martin F. Jue)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Kat2
Message-ID: <7D62293DACC544A180DAD1957BED2F74@MrJuePC>

Does anyone have a KAT2 auto tuner for the K2 for sale?

Martin, K5FLU

From w0cz at i29.net  Mon Aug 24 21:41:10 2015
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
In-Reply-To: <001b01d0dec5$7b045730$710d0590$@com>
References: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>
	<55DB0C26.4090007@gmail.com> <001b01d0dec5$7b045730$710d0590$@com>
Message-ID: <738D0950-B080-4735-B87E-4C49368E2EE5@i29.net>

Hi to the group.

I have not wanted to get into this discussion but I have had a similar problem with other programs and will throw this out just in case it is your problem. If you have a second monitor and display that program on the second monitor the program will not show up on the main monitor even if the second monitor is missing. I had to put my second monitor back on and move the program back to see it. This happens on Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 so you might give that a try. 

73 and hope I did not waste band width.

Ken  W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Brian Linn <brian at brianlinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Warren:
> 
> FYI. I'm running into serial ports on the PC, not USB.
> 
> Brian KD0HII
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Warren Merkel
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 07:21
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I had this happen to me one time.    I believe it was trying to find the
> KAT500 on a port that was no longer the correct COM port.   A device was
> there but it wasn't the KAT500.    Try unplugging all other USB devices
> that you can, leaving only the KAT500 connected,  and start the application again.  (Kill the task in the process list if you see it's already there)  If no joy, try disabling any COM port sharing software you might be using as well.
> 
> I just tried to find where the KAT500 utility stores config info and interestingly didn't find a thing in what looks to be the right place
> (  %appdata%\Elecraft\KAT500 Configuration)   The folder is empty!    
> Was hoping it was just a config file that we could look at.
> 
> Might I suggest you look in the Control Panel Device Manager, and
> determine which port is being assigned to the KAT500.   It should be
> listed under "Ports and LPT"   It shows up as "USB Serial Port (COMx)"  
> Where "x" is a number.  Make mental note of what the COMx is in your
> case.    That at least means that the KAT500 is being recognized by the
> computer and is assigned a COM port.   If this port assignment doesn't
> make sense from what you expect or what it was using previously, possibly the Utility is hung  while trying to use different port than what it is being assigned to the KAT500 now-- and not doing a good job of telling you it's having an issue.
> 
> Have you tried uninstalling the Utility completely and then reinstall
> it?   Hopefully the uninstaller will remove the incorrect configuration
> information on the way out.  The developer needs to chime in on where that is kept.
> 
> Warren
> KD4Z
> 
> 
>> On 8/23/2015 10:22 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>> This is a tough one given that everyone else is likely running without issue.
>> 
>> The common/obvious question: did you install as Administrator and are you running the utility as Administrator? Depending on resource requests from the program this can be a problem. Is the user you are running as an Administrator? If not, right click on the setup file and select ?Run as Administrator?. Do the same when running the Utility. 
>> 
>> I just downloaded the latest utility and installed/ran without issue.  This is Win10 x64, but I also run it on W7.
>> 
>> Ken K6MR
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Linn
>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 17:22
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
>> 
>> 
>> To Anyone!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run
>> 
>> Version: 1.14.4.10
>> 
>> Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit
>> 
>> Observations:
>> 
>> 1)      It appears to correctly install
>> 
>> 2)      When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
>> as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)
>> 
>> 3)      The application window does not show on the screen.
>> 
>> 4)      The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
>> Applications.
>> 
>> 5)      If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
>> will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task 
>> Manager processes.
>> 
>> 6)      The application then goes into a Not Responding state.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any ideas are welcome.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Brian KD0HII
>> 
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From brian at brianlinn.com  Mon Aug 24 21:46:25 2015
From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian Linn)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
In-Reply-To: <738D0950-B080-4735-B87E-4C49368E2EE5@i29.net>
References: <BLU406-EAS2293E2AB6287E82DCE334569E620@phx.gbl>
	<55DB0C26.4090007@gmail.com> <001b01d0dec5$7b045730$710d0590$@com>
	<738D0950-B080-4735-B87E-4C49368E2EE5@i29.net>
Message-ID: <001d01d0ded7$dcce31e0$966a95a0$@com>

All:

Thanks for the input. I've determined that I do indeed have a problem with the 4 port serial card. Thus, before going any further here, I'm going to run some tests and see about getting the ports working properly.

73, Brian KD0HII

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Christiansen [mailto:w0cz at i29.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 20:41
To: Brian Linn
Cc: Warren Merkel; <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility

Hi to the group.

I have not wanted to get into this discussion but I have had a similar problem with other programs and will throw this out just in case it is your problem. If you have a second monitor and display that program on the second monitor the program will not show up on the main monitor even if the second monitor is missing. I had to put my second monitor back on and move the program back to see it. This happens on Windows 8, 8.1 and 10 so you might give that a try. 

73 and hope I did not waste band width.

Ken  W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Brian Linn <brian at brianlinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Warren:
> 
> FYI. I'm running into serial ports on the PC, not USB.
> 
> Brian KD0HII
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Warren Merkel
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 07:21
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I had this happen to me one time.    I believe it was trying to find the
> KAT500 on a port that was no longer the correct COM port.   A device was
> there but it wasn't the KAT500.    Try unplugging all other USB devices
> that you can, leaving only the KAT500 connected,  and start the application again.  (Kill the task in the process list if you see it's already there)  If no joy, try disabling any COM port sharing software you might be using as well.
> 
> I just tried to find where the KAT500 utility stores config info and interestingly didn't find a thing in what looks to be the right place
> (  %appdata%\Elecraft\KAT500 Configuration)   The folder is empty!    
> Was hoping it was just a config file that we could look at.
> 
> Might I suggest you look in the Control Panel Device Manager, and
> determine which port is being assigned to the KAT500.   It should be
> listed under "Ports and LPT"   It shows up as "USB Serial Port (COMx)"  
> Where "x" is a number.  Make mental note of what the COMx is in your
> case.    That at least means that the KAT500 is being recognized by the
> computer and is assigned a COM port.   If this port assignment doesn't
> make sense from what you expect or what it was using previously, possibly the Utility is hung  while trying to use different port than what it is being assigned to the KAT500 now-- and not doing a good job of telling you it's having an issue.
> 
> Have you tried uninstalling the Utility completely and then reinstall
> it?   Hopefully the uninstaller will remove the incorrect configuration
> information on the way out.  The developer needs to chime in on where that is kept.
> 
> Warren
> KD4Z
> 
> 
>> On 8/23/2015 10:22 PM, Ken K6MR wrote:
>> This is a tough one given that everyone else is likely running without issue.
>> 
>> The common/obvious question: did you install as Administrator and are you running the utility as Administrator? Depending on resource requests from the program this can be a problem. Is the user you are running as an Administrator? If not, right click on the setup file and select ?Run as Administrator?. Do the same when running the Utility. 
>> 
>> I just downloaded the latest utility and installed/ran without issue.  This is Win10 x64, but I also run it on W7.
>> 
>> Ken K6MR
>> 
>> 
>> From: Brian Linn
>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 17:22
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility
>> 
>> 
>> To Anyone!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Issue: KAT500 Utility will not run
>> 
>> Version: 1.14.4.10
>> 
>> Windows: 7 Pro 64 bit
>> 
>> Observations:
>> 
>> 1)      It appears to correctly install
>> 
>> 2)      When one attempts to start the utility, it shows in the Task Manager
>> as a process (KAT500Utility.exe *32)
>> 
>> 3)      The application window does not show on the screen.
>> 
>> 4)      The application is not listed in the Task Manager under
>> Applications.
>> 
>> 5)      If one attempts to start the utility again, the application window
>> will show on the screen and a second process will show in the Task 
>> Manager processes.
>> 
>> 6)      The application then goes into a Not Responding state.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any ideas are welcome.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Mon Aug 24 21:57:30 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 18:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
Message-ID: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>

In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.

David A., KC0XT



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From dick at elecraft.com  Mon Aug 24 22:09:50 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:09:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
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I use either an Edgeport 8-port USB to serial adapter, or a Gearmo 4-port USB to serial adapter, or a KUSB or KXUSB depending on what I'm testing.
No USB hubs here, tho.

73 de Dick, K6KR



> On Aug 24, 2015, at 18:57, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
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From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Mon Aug 24 22:11:01 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:11:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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Hmm .. I've not tried that. I'd be cautious trying 
it. Really no need, after all.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/24/15 6:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
>
> David A., KC0XT


From w0cz at i29.net  Mon Aug 24 22:38:03 2015
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:38:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
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 Hi to the group again
I have a USB hub with a USB to rs232 for my K3 and another for my KX3. I have never tried to run both at the same time but they have both been on the same hub for 2 years and they always work, Port 4 for one, Port  7 for the other and Port 5 for the WinKeyer USB which I know works at the same time as the KX3.

Again hope I did not waste band width but thought my experiance would help.

73

Ken W0CZ   w0cz at i29 dot net

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> On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:57 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Mon Aug 24 23:20:58 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 20:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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Yes, Phil, you?re probably right. Probably over-think here. But there are KAT500 parameters that can be more easily managed in real time with the KAT500 Utility, so I thought I?d give it a try. Dunno, in the bigger picture, might this be he precursor to the idea of software control or software monitoring of Elecraft devices? Maybe. My problem is when I connect five KUSBs they all have 10-or-12-digit names that I have to go through manually to find my device that I want to control (I know, I know, poor me!!!). AND they are power hogs. Mac OS X shuts ?em down: too much power suck combined. So, you need a powered USB hub to connect a few.  

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm .. I've not tried that. I'd be cautious trying it. Really no need, after all.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
> On 8/24/15 6:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
>> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
>> 
>> David A., KC0XT
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Aug 25 02:05:41 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:05:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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Works just fine for me. I use a powered USB hub. A standard USB port can deliver a maximum of 500 mA for USB2 ports, or 750mA for USB ports. That should power a lot of USB-Serial ports, but as they say, your mileage may vary. 

I use an FTDI four-port USB adapter (it?s a development device from Mouser). OS X nicely identifies each port as the serial number followed by A, B, C or D. I also use several single-port FTDI devices and note their id numbers so that I can associate them with what they are connected to. All work pretty well. They are connected as follows to my 2009-vintage Mac mini: The four-port device plugs directly into the mini, while the other ports plug into a 7-port powered USB hub. I need at least five to communicate with various Elecraft devices, and actually can run multiple device Utility programs simultaneously. We don?t recommend that folks do that, but it works for me.

By the way, my worst-case test used a total of nine FTDI USB-Serial adapters with the mini. All worked quite well, used with several different applications running concurrently. So, it will work.

73!

Jack, W6FB

> On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:20 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Phil, you?re probably right. Probably over-think here. But there are KAT500 parameters that can be more easily managed in real time with the KAT500 Utility, so I thought I?d give it a try. Dunno, in the bigger picture, might this be he precursor to the idea of software control or software monitoring of Elecraft devices? Maybe. My problem is when I connect five KUSBs they all have 10-or-12-digit names that I have to go through manually to find my device that I want to control (I know, I know, poor me!!!). AND they are power hogs. Mac OS X shuts ?em down: too much power suck combined. So, you need a powered USB hub to connect a few.  
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm .. I've not tried that. I'd be cautious trying it. Really no need, after all.
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>> 
>> On 8/24/15 6:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
>>> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
>>> 
>>> David A., KC0XT
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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 05:16:17 2015
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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No problem here with my Timewave Navigator which is a 6 port USB hub to 
CAT, PTT, FSK, WinKeyer, Config, and an fully configured RS232 which 
connects to my KPA500. Cheaper USB hubs, Logitech etc. exhibit RF 
sensitivity but then all of my antennas are in the attic as I live in a 
CC&R subdivision.

Jim, W4ATK


On 8/24/2015 8:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub semi-permanently so that when you need a connection you already have that hardware access? Realizing you cannot run two Utility programs simultaneously (at least I haven?t had success with that), what is your setup? I have attempted with a USB hub into a Mac Mini with marginal success. Please opine.
>
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From joe at selectconnect.net  Tue Aug 25 09:27:45 2015
From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:27:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3.  Finally bought one
Message-ID: <iwf1koaqbrs0poab4l5ykmj5.1440509257262@email.android.com>

To add to my K3, and KX1, I finally added a KX3 yesterday.    Can't wait for it to arrive.

Have no idea what all I'll do with it, but I am excited.

73,

Joe
AB5OR

From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 25 09:29:55 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (bobk8rl--- via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:29:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] [KXPA100] K3S/10 and KXPA100
Message-ID: <14f650d020a-6125-1403c@webprd-m54.mail.aol.com>



Am interested if anyone has used a KXPA100 with a K3/10 or K3S/10.

For those who own a KX3/KXPA100 combination, one home station option (final or upgrade step) would appear to be to buy a 10 Watt K3S and use their KXPA100.

Thoughts?

Robert E. Lee (Bob)
K8RL


From ka2rvo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 09:41:28 2015
From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:41:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3. Finally bought one
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It's a fun radio to operate, you'll love it.

Did you get any options to go with it? I ordered a PX3 at a hamfest a few
days ago, looking forward to it arriving.

Jim
KA2RVO

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Joe Moffatt <joe at selectconnect.net> wrote:

> To add to my K3, and KX1, I finally added a KX3 yesterday.    Can't wait
> for it to arrive.
>
> Have no idea what all I'll do with it, but I am excited.
>
> 73,
>
> Joe
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 25 10:31:09 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 10:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan
Message-ID: <006b01d0df42$b0459490$10d0bdb0$@carolinaheli.com>

Ok, based on current funds the purchase at Shelby will most likely be as
listed unless there are further discounts. I've asked and they don't offer a
veteran or masonic discount.

Purchase/Order:
K3S/100-K??100 W Transceiver, Kit
KRX3A-K? High Performance Subreceiver?for the K3S and K3 Kits

* Already purchased a 400hz filter from a reflector participant.
Other - Dust covers from Rose for Rig and Bencher Key.

Future:
Another 400hz filter
Pair of 200 or 250hz filters* I want to operate the rig for a while to see
what I actually want/need.
KAT3A-K? Internal ATU?with 2nd Ant. Jack for the K3S and K3 kits  ** not
really sure I need this as I only plan to use resonant antenna's, we'll see
how sensitive the rig is. I've been told it will back off on power as SWR
rises.
P3-K?Panadapter Kit?for the K3S, K3 and other rigs ** for the time being
I'll use an SDR to view the band 
Misc filters over time as needed.

LOL, I'll be broke for a while but on the air.

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S SN# TBA


From joe at selectconnect.net  Tue Aug 25 11:11:55 2015
From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:11:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3. Finally bought one
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I bought the ATU and the Roofing Filter.  I will be buying a PX3 eventually as well as the amp just to have on my desk for a second radio... or at least I think I'll do that.

Next is to buy the P3 and PX3 (for my K3 and this one).  I have an Afedri SDR connected to the K3 IF now running NAP3 and it is great, but the standalone P3 is what I really want.

Joe



From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Austin
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3. Finally bought one

It's a fun radio to operate, you'll love it.

Did you get any options to go with it? I ordered a PX3 at a hamfest a few
days ago, looking forward to it arriving.

Jim
KA2RVO

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> To add to my K3, and KX1, I finally added a KX3 yesterday. Can't wait
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>
> Have no idea what all I'll do with it, but I am excited.
>
> 73,
>
> Joe
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 25 12:38:11 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Bert via Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:38:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, FSK D, and Paddles
Message-ID: <12cdee.48a16454.430df3f3@aol.com>

With my KX3, I normally use AFSK with a SignaLink USB; however, I  
occasionally use the KXPD3 to work DX. I've always been under the impression  that I 
could only send RTTY using the KXPD3 and not with my external paddle  
[HOOKED TO A WinKeyer USB]. I finally read the manual (again!!!) and realized I  
needed to plug my paddle directly to the KX3 (and not to the WinKeyer USB) 
to  send with the external paddle. In other words, I must use the INTERNAL 
KX3 KEYER  to use the FSK D feature. I tried it, and it works.
 
Am I missing something here -- is there a way to use an external keyer  
(with the KX3 Menu setting set at "HAND"?
 
Hey, I'm a slow learner!!!
 
Bert, N4CW

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 12:48:33 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:48:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] [KXPA100] K3S/10 and KXPA100
In-Reply-To: <14f650d020a-6125-1403c@webprd-m54.mail.aol.com>
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I haven't specifically used the KXPA100 with K3/K3S, but I've use it with a K2, and it works FB. It should work equally well with a K3/K3S.
One issue is that when you change bands, you need to give the KXPA100 a squirt of RF so it can switch in the appropriate BPF (and recall the appropriate tuning solution if fitted with KXAT100 ATU). You just need to tap the paddle/key. If you tend to use one of those things with a curly cord rather than paddle/key, it may be less convenient.
This is not needed when changing bands on KX3 with KXPA100, or on a K3/K3S with KPA3, because in those cases the amp learns about the band change straight away via the CAT port/auxiliary bus.

73, Matt VK2RQ




On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:30 AM -0700, "bobk8rl--- via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:












Am interested if anyone has used a KXPA100 with a K3/10 or K3S/10.

For those who own a KX3/KXPA100 combination, one home station option (final or upgrade step) would appear to be to buy a 10 Watt K3S and use their KXPA100.

Thoughts?

Robert E. Lee (Bob)
K8RL

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Aug 25 12:49:52 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:49:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, FSK D, and Paddles
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On Tue,8/25/2015 9:38 AM, Bert via Elecraft wrote:
> Am I missing something here -- is there a way to use an external keyer

As far as I know, Elecraft K3 and KX3 only support paddle input to 
digital modes with a paddle connected directly to the K3 or KX3. That's 
also the way it works for programming CW memories. I use a WinKey USB 
with N1MM+ for FD and CQP, and a YCCC SO2R box (with WinKey emulation) 
at home. Neither will allow me to program memories within the radio, so 
I keep a second paddle on the side, connected directly to the K3.

73, Jim K9YC

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Aug 25 13:22:38 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:22:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan
In-Reply-To: <006b01d0df42$b0459490$10d0bdb0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <006b01d0df42$b0459490$10d0bdb0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55DCA45E.3090003@blomand.net>

I've noticed with my K3S when operating with a SWR of greater than 2.5 : 
1 the power output does take a dive downward.   While I use an external 
tuner, it would make sense to have and use the internal ATU in certain 
applications.

While resonant antennas are best, I operate 160M and 80M and due to the 
bandwidth, some means getting SWR to reasonable value across the band 
sure seems reasonable.  I find the internal tuner does and excellent job 
resolving a match with these bands.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/25/2015 9:31 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> Ok, based on current funds the purchase at Shelby will most likely be as
> listed unless there are further discounts. I've asked and they don't offer a
> veteran or masonic discount.
>
> Purchase/Order:
> K3S/100-K  100 W Transceiver, Kit
> KRX3A-K  High Performance Subreceiver for the K3S and K3 Kits
>
> * Already purchased a 400hz filter from a reflector participant.
> Other - Dust covers from Rose for Rig and Bencher Key.
>
> Future:
> Another 400hz filter
> Pair of 200 or 250hz filters* I want to operate the rig for a while to see
> what I actually want/need.
> KAT3A-K  Internal ATU with 2nd Ant. Jack for the K3S and K3 kits  ** not
> really sure I need this as I only plan to use resonant antenna's, we'll see
> how sensitive the rig is. I've been told it will back off on power as SWR
> rises.
> P3-K Panadapter Kit for the K3S, K3 and other rigs ** for the time being
> I'll use an SDR to view the band
> Misc filters over time as needed.
>
> LOL, I'll be broke for a while but on the air.
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN# TBA
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 13:44:24 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:44:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan
In-Reply-To: <55DCA45E.3090003@blomand.net>
References: <006b01d0df42$b0459490$10d0bdb0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55DCA45E.3090003@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1u+4tpGCnmNmBjQYQ6ccJK-Vc7DR3LqbjajBrAwziV9A@mail.gmail.com>

The power reduction you see is sometimes called folding and is done to
protect the final transistors. An assessment of the antennas you have or
contemplate with their SWR curves, and whether you will be operating
barefoot or not should tell you whether tuning will be required.

Some will want to handle the tuning chores with a high power tuner that
will also do this for a transistor external amp.

For example a K3, KPA500 and KAT500 would not need the tuner in the K3.

If you expect to use your K3 at a field day, get the KAT3.

If you get it and never use it you can sell it in a heartbeat here on the
reflector.

Another of those very individual decisions.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> I've noticed with my K3S when operating with a SWR of greater than 2.5 : 1
> the power output does take a dive downward.   While I use an external
> tuner, it would make sense to have and use the internal ATU in certain
> applications.
>
> While resonant antennas are best, I operate 160M and 80M and due to the
> bandwidth, some means getting SWR to reasonable value across the band sure
> seems reasonable.  I find the internal tuner does and excellent job
> resolving a match with these bands.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/25/2015 9:31 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, based on current funds the purchase at Shelby will most likely be as
>> listed unless there are further discounts. I've asked and they don't
>> offer a
>> veteran or masonic discount.
>>
>> Purchase/Order:
>> K3S/100-K  100 W Transceiver, Kit
>> KRX3A-K  High Performance Subreceiver for the K3S and K3 Kits
>>
>> * Already purchased a 400hz filter from a reflector participant.
>> Other - Dust covers from Rose for Rig and Bencher Key.
>>
>> Future:
>> Another 400hz filter
>> Pair of 200 or 250hz filters* I want to operate the rig for a while to see
>> what I actually want/need.
>> KAT3A-K  Internal ATU with 2nd Ant. Jack for the K3S and K3 kits  ** not
>> really sure I need this as I only plan to use resonant antenna's, we'll
>> see
>> how sensitive the rig is. I've been told it will back off on power as SWR
>> rises.
>> P3-K Panadapter Kit for the K3S, K3 and other rigs ** for the time being
>> I'll use an SDR to view the band
>> Misc filters over time as needed.
>>
>> LOL, I'll be broke for a while but on the air.
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> AE4PB, K3S SN# TBA
>>
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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 25 13:58:28 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:58:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan
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	<55DCA45E.3090003@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <00a201d0df5f$a6652cc0$f32f8640$@carolinaheli.com>

Cool. I have an external MFJ I can use. I just don't have the cash for it
all. Just the 100w rig and sub RX is $3250 and I've already paid $80 or so
for the 400hz filter from the reflector.. If I had the cash I'd buy the full
setup stuffed with filters..etc.. 

The current plan for 160 is probably going to be a mag loop and a separate
one for 30m. Right now my priority is 40/20/15 and/or wherever DX is. 
I'll definitely be posting /sharing my experience and first impressions.
I've not seen a K3S build video so I may even take a vid or 3. ;)


Jer




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
McGraw - K4TAX
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 1:23 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan

I've noticed with my K3S when operating with a SWR of greater than 2.5 : 
1 the power output does take a dive downward.   While I use an external 
tuner, it would make sense to have and use the internal ATU in certain
applications.

While resonant antennas are best, I operate 160M and 80M and due to the
bandwidth, some means getting SWR to reasonable value across the band sure
seems reasonable.  I find the internal tuner does and excellent job
resolving a match with these bands.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/25/2015 9:31 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> Ok, based on current funds the purchase at Shelby will most likely be as
> listed unless there are further discounts. I've asked and they don't offer
a
> veteran or masonic discount.
>
> Purchase/Order:
> K3S/100-K  100 W Transceiver, Kit
> KRX3A-K  High Performance Subreceiver for the K3S and K3 Kits
>
> * Already purchased a 400hz filter from a reflector participant.
> Other - Dust covers from Rose for Rig and Bencher Key.
>
> Future:
> Another 400hz filter
> Pair of 200 or 250hz filters* I want to operate the rig for a while to see
> what I actually want/need.
> KAT3A-K  Internal ATU with 2nd Ant. Jack for the K3S and K3 kits  ** not
> really sure I need this as I only plan to use resonant antenna's, we'll
see
> how sensitive the rig is. I've been told it will back off on power as SWR
> rises.
> P3-K Panadapter Kit for the K3S, K3 and other rigs ** for the time being
> I'll use an SDR to view the band
> Misc filters over time as needed.
>
> LOL, I'll be broke for a while but on the air.
>
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S SN# TBA
>
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From LA3ZA at nrrl.no  Tue Aug 25 15:52:41 2015
From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA))
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:52:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Aux RF mod for Rx out (No Sub-Rx)
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	<55DBAD83.60401@embarqmail.com>
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I'm using a feed off the KXV3A's Rx in and Rx out ports, as you say, to feed
a shortwave receiver. It's very simple with no splitter, just a BNC Tee
connector. 

The K3 needs to be switched to a band which is higher than the external
receiver for it to work as RF is routed through the K3's output filters.
Also the K3 needs to enable the Rx ant. The shortwave receiver should be
protected from the K3's transmitter with this scheme, at least my receiver
has not suffered any damage.


Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
> If you want to share the antenna, then the splitter is a solution - what 
> about protection for your SDR receiver when the K3 is transmitting?
> 
> On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Russ wrote:
>> I would like to split my K3's Rx feed to also feed my new SDRPlay SDR.
>> One way is to put a splitter (I'd use a mini-circuits ZFSC-2-1W+ or
>> similar) between the KXV3A's Rx In and Rx out ports and suffer the 3 dB
>> loss (which should be insignificant since my ambient noise is far above
>> the K3's Rx noise floor.





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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 25 18:42:30 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:42:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Manuals all printed - ready to assemble
Message-ID: <00d801d0df87$5469e730$fd3db590$@carolinaheli.com>

I'm a little excited. I printed out all of the manuals, edited per the
errata and put into document protectors. I like to print my own manuals so I
can write on them (in pencil) and keep the originals pristine. 

Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S future owner.. 10 days and a wakeup.


From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Tue Aug 25 19:29:09 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:29:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1u+4tpGCnmNmBjQYQ6ccJK-Vc7DR3LqbjajBrAwziV9A@mail.gmail.com>
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Well if anyone has the options for sale please PM me off or on list. 
I'm interested in the subrx, filters, atu, ..etc.. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy
Olinger K2AV
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 1:44 PM
To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Semi firm plan

The power reduction you see is sometimes called folding and is done to
protect the final transistors. An assessment of the antennas you have or
contemplate with their SWR curves, and whether you will be operating
barefoot or not should tell you whether tuning will be required.

Some will want to handle the tuning chores with a high power tuner that will
also do this for a transistor external amp.

For example a K3, KPA500 and KAT500 would not need the tuner in the K3.

If you expect to use your K3 at a field day, get the KAT3.

If you get it and never use it you can sell it in a heartbeat here on the
reflector.

Another of those very individual decisions.

73, Guy K2AV

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> I've noticed with my K3S when operating with a SWR of greater than 2.5 : 1
> the power output does take a dive downward.   While I use an external
> tuner, it would make sense to have and use the internal ATU in certain 
> applications.
>
> While resonant antennas are best, I operate 160M and 80M and due to 
> the bandwidth, some means getting SWR to reasonable value across the 
> band sure seems reasonable.  I find the internal tuner does and 
> excellent job resolving a match with these bands.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/25/2015 9:31 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, based on current funds the purchase at Shelby will most likely be 
>> as listed unless there are further discounts. I've asked and they 
>> don't offer a veteran or masonic discount.
>>
>> Purchase/Order:
>> K3S/100-K  100 W Transceiver, Kit
>> KRX3A-K  High Performance Subreceiver for the K3S and K3 Kits
>>
>> * Already purchased a 400hz filter from a reflector participant.
>> Other - Dust covers from Rose for Rig and Bencher Key.
>>
>> Future:
>> Another 400hz filter
>> Pair of 200 or 250hz filters* I want to operate the rig for a while 
>> to see what I actually want/need.
>> KAT3A-K  Internal ATU with 2nd Ant. Jack for the K3S and K3 kits  ** 
>> not really sure I need this as I only plan to use resonant antenna's, 
>> we'll see how sensitive the rig is. I've been told it will back off 
>> on power as SWR rises.
>> P3-K Panadapter Kit for the K3S, K3 and other rigs ** for the time 
>> being I'll use an SDR to view the band Misc filters over time as 
>> needed.
>>
>> LOL, I'll be broke for a while but on the air.
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>> AE4PB, K3S SN# TBA
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From davidahrendts at me.com  Tue Aug 25 21:26:40 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
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	<55DC3261.8050901@gmail.com>
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My friends, thank you for your many responses to this question. Clearly I?m not the only one thinking of multiple semi-permnanent KUSB connections to multiple Elecraft devices simultaneously. Lesson: all things are not equal when you select a USB powered hub. 

Among the responses that I found most valuable was this one sent directly from N1HO, Bayard R. ?Brandy? Coolidge ? much thought has been put into his USB to Mac setup ? sharing it here with everyone:


I just upgraded my shack from an Acer Netbook (1.66 GHz 32-bit,
2GB memory) to an early 2015 Macbook Pro Retina 13" at 2.7GHz
with 16GB memory (and 250GB of SSD). I had used a powered USB hub
from an "office superstore" that ran at USB 2.0 speeds, and had
Sabrent USB/serial cables (which explicitly use FTDI chips) running
to the K3 command port, the KPC 3+ (which went to another rig for
VHF packet use), the Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO's NMEA port, plus
the SignaLink USB's cable.

When I upgraded to the Mac, I also shucked the old USB hub in favor
of a Sabrent 4-port USB3 hub. I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium under
Parallels 10, and the Mac is running Yosemite with all the latest updates.
(The Acer Netbook ran Windows 7 Starter). I've had this setup running
for a couple of weeks now, and I'm extremely pleased. In fact, just
yesterday I swapped out the SignaLink for an Asus Xonar U5 sound card,
which Jim, K9YC recommended on the list - it works perfectly. Last night, I
was able to take the rMBP, an old Alinco handheld, the KPC3+, the
special cable to run from the Alinco to the KPC3+ and one of the USB
cables with me to an ARES meeting. It all plugged in and played WITHOUT
having to fuss with COM port designations, etc., etc. Came home, spent
5 minutes (maybe) reconnecting everything and all came up smiling.

That said, I don't quite know what to tell you except that one thing
that helped maintain some sanity with my old hardware configuration
was to mark each and every cable and every USB hub port and never, ever
plug them in "wrong". Otherwise, Windows would go off and assign a new
COM port number to a given cable and I'd end up chasing my tail. I'm a
retired UNIX software QC engineer, so my tolerance for that sort of
baloney is minimal. One thing that bit me frequently, and took me months
to finally nail down, was that for whatever reason, Windows would insist
on spontaneously downloading, installing, and running a Ballpoint Pen
device driver for the Thunderbolt, basically taking over for the mouse,
resulting in all kinds of cursor movement and "clicks". I had to figure
out how to outfox it, get into Device Manager and disable that driver.
I later found a brief discussion on the Time-Nuts mailing list about it,
and a few other guys had had the same problem and disabling under DM was
apparently the only viable solution. (The Thunderbolt runs at 4800 baud).

That said, I've been amazed that I was able to pull everything last night,
go to the meeting with just the KPC3+ and then reassemble perfectly. Since
you're going to be dealing with multiple K3s, and will probably want to
run them both/all at 38400, you may go nuts trying to figure out which is
which. Remember that the K3 Utility does display the serial number in the
title bar, and you'll need to assign a different COM port for each rig,
so I think some patient labelling and record keeping could help there. I
rarely run the Utility anyway - only long enough to download and install
firmware - so I don't (personally) see the need to run two copies
simultaneously. However, you will need to figure out how/where to store
the configuration files for each rig separately; I can't remember what the
normal default file locations are offhand. But it should be possible to
bring up the Utility and manually change its COM port so that it's talking
to Rig B instead of Rig A. (Or there may be a configuration file for the
Utility as well, so that it knows what COM port, etc. to use or it may be
possible to invoke a specific COM port on the command line, in which case
you could create two desktop shortcuts, one pointing to one rig's COM port,
the other to the other - Lady Heather, the control program for the GPSDO
does that, as do many other applications). BTW, under Parallels, you can
force it to grab the various ports, including the external "sound card",
away from OS X and assign them quasi-permanently to Windows, so that Windows
will always be able to drive those devices.

Again, I'm NOT a Windows expert, but I do hope that this provides some clues,
and if you have further questions, please feel free to e-mail me, and I'll
try to help.

Very 73,

Bayard R. "Brandy" Coolidge, N1HO


David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From mundschenk55 at msn.com  Tue Aug 25 22:18:45 2015
From: mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:18:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Aux RF mod for Rx out (No Sub-Rx)
In-Reply-To: <1440532361040-7606736.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <BAY175-W2B24F768C2091E4DF727ECF620@phx.gbl>,
	<55DBAD83.60401@embarqmail.com>,
	<1440532361040-7606736.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BAY175-W201B2E722B84E2AF02206FCF600@phx.gbl>

Thanks Sverre...
Since I have a Mini-Circuits splitter - I'll give it a try to prevent a double termination and 2-1 VSWR
Russ KD4JO

> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:52:41 -0700
> From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Aux RF mod for Rx out (No Sub-Rx)
> 
> I'm using a feed off the KXV3A's Rx in and Rx out ports, as you say, to feed
> a shortwave receiver. It's very simple with no splitter, just a BNC Tee
> connector. 
> 
> The K3 needs to be switched to a band which is higher than the external
> receiver for it to work as RF is routed through the K3's output filters.
> Also the K3 needs to enable the Rx ant. The shortwave receiver should be
> protected from the K3's transmitter with this scheme, at least my receiver
> has not suffered any damage.
> 
> 
> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
> > If you want to share the antenna, then the splitter is a solution - what 
> > about protection for your SDR receiver when the K3 is transmitting?
> > 
> > On 8/24/2015 2:18 PM, Russ wrote:
> >> I would like to split my K3's Rx feed to also feed my new SDRPlay SDR.
> >> One way is to put a splitter (I'd use a mini-circuits ZFSC-2-1W+ or
> >> similar) between the KXV3A's Rx In and Rx out ports and suffer the 3 dB
> >> loss (which should be insignificant since my ambient noise is far above
> >> the K3's Rx noise floor.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> 
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> LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com,
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From tonybarclay1 at me.com  Wed Aug 26 08:56:28 2015
From: tonybarclay1 at me.com (MM6TGN)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:56:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
Message-ID: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have recently purchased and built my K3S. 100w with ATU.
As an MM6 foundation licence holder, this is my first radio and I am limited
to 10w. 
I am a Mac user not a Mac Genius and use a mid 2010 Imac. 
I have installed and am successfully using Maclogger.

After discussion with club mates I decided to try Digital modes and was
advised to start with PSK. 
After some research I discovered FLdigi installed the programme and the FTDI
driver for the USB and it appears to work well in all respects including rig
control, apart for the fact that the Radio does not appear to transmit. 

When I try and answer a CQ by answering call. The waterfall indicates I am
sending data and the message transfers from the bottom to the Top sections
of FLdigi. However there is no indication on the radio that there is any
output. I have had no response to any CQ or answered call.

I think the issue may be with the audio setup. 

Can anybody signpost me to straight forward guidance on setting up FLdigi,
Mac and the K3S  

Thanks Tony    



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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:16:49 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:16:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
In-Reply-To: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55DDBC41.5010408@embarqmail.com>

Tony,

Be aware that you must have enough audio to fully illuminate 4 bars on 
the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.
If you do not have that condition, manipulate the soundcard audio and 
the Line In level on the K3S to obtain that deflection.
Maintain that audio level, and adjust the power with the K3S power 
knob.  This is different than the conventional internet advice which 
says set the power to a high value and adjust the audio to get the 
desired power output - that will not work with the K3S (or the K3 or KX3 
or K2).

If you are using the audio provided by the USB cable, be certain there 
is nothing plugged into the K3S Line In jack.

I cannot provide any more information until you clarify more about your 
cabling setup - specifically, which is connected to what.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/26/2015 8:56 AM, MM6TGN wrote:
> I have recently purchased and built my K3S. 100w with ATU.
> As an MM6 foundation licence holder, this is my first radio and I am limited
> to 10w.
> I am a Mac user not a Mac Genius and use a mid 2010 Imac.
> I have installed and am successfully using Maclogger.
>
> After discussion with club mates I decided to try Digital modes and was
> advised to start with PSK.
> After some research I discovered FLdigi installed the programme and the FTDI
> driver for the USB and it appears to work well in all respects including rig
> control, apart for the fact that the Radio does not appear to transmit.
>
> When I try and answer a CQ by answering call. The waterfall indicates I am
> sending data and the message transfers from the bottom to the Top sections
> of FLdigi. However there is no indication on the radio that there is any
> output. I have had no response to any CQ or answered call.
>
> I think the issue may be with the audio setup.
>
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Wed Aug 26 09:19:48 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:19:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
In-Reply-To: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <01ee01d0e001$e2f21750$a8d645f0$@carolinaheli.com>

In FLdigi, Click CONFIGURE, then SOUNDCARD and report back the Port Audio
settings,
Do you see the RIG go into TX mode? (you state it doesn't appear to transmit
but that's vague).
How is the program configured for PTT? CONFIGURE/Rig Control, PTT. Are you
cabled to use DTS/RTS via the DE9 connector or are you intending to use VOX?

Please refer to the K3S owners manual page 33.


Data Mode Connections
You can transmit and receive data with a computer
in three ways:
. Connect your soundcard I/O to the K3S. Use
MAIN:MIC SEL to use LINE IN/OUT, frontpanel
mic jack, or rear-panel mic jack. You can
use VOX or PTT to control transmit.
. Use the soundcard in receive mode, but use a
PC I/O line to do direct FSK (or PSK)
modulation. Connect the PC's I/O line to the
"FSK IN" line on the ACC connector. (If this
signal originates from an RS232 port, it will
require RS232-to-TTL level conversion.)
. Send and receive ASCII text via the RS232
interface. To send, insert text into a "KY"
command (e.g., "KY CQ DE N6KR;"). To
receive, send "TT1;" (text-to-terminal). "TT0;"
turns it off. See the K3/KX3 Programmer's
Reference, available at www.elecraft.com.





-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MM6TGN
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:56 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac

I have recently purchased and built my K3S. 100w with ATU.
As an MM6 foundation licence holder, this is my first radio and I am limited
to 10w. 
I am a Mac user not a Mac Genius and use a mid 2010 Imac. 
I have installed and am successfully using Maclogger.

After discussion with club mates I decided to try Digital modes and was
advised to start with PSK. 
After some research I discovered FLdigi installed the programme and the FTDI
driver for the USB and it appears to work well in all respects including rig
control, apart for the fact that the Radio does not appear to transmit. 

When I try and answer a CQ by answering call. The waterfall indicates I am
sending data and the message transfers from the bottom to the Top sections
of FLdigi. However there is no indication on the radio that there is any
output. I have had no response to any CQ or answered call.

I think the issue may be with the audio setup. 

Can anybody signpost me to straight forward guidance on setting up FLdigi,
Mac and the K3S  

Thanks Tony    



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From roncerra at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 26 11:43:09 2015
From: roncerra at earthlink.net (KM4VX)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:43:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3/KPA100 FOR SALE
Message-ID: <1440603789662-7606744.post@n2.nabble.com>

I purchased this setup in July 2015, yes last month. I am the original owner.
Includes KX3-F, KXBC3-F, KXFL3-F, KX3-PCKT, KXPA100-AT-F, KXPACBL, KXSER-a,
MH3, PX3-F and KXPD3 key for KX3. This is my second KX3 setup and I now know
without a doubt after two tests that I prefer the larger K3 radio. I have
not opened the KX3;never installed the batteries, never connected the mic.
Setup is in mint condition with little use and nothing portable. I will buy
a second K3S/P3 with the funds. I would like $2,900.00 shipped and insured.
I will not split the setup.  You save about $350.00. 73. Thanks for your
time. I have some of the original packing. Will throw in the Nifty
Mini-Manual for the PX3. Non-smoking home and only 17 QSOs this radio to
date. Please reply off-line to roncerra at earthlink.net or (910) 793-9043.



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From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Wed Aug 26 14:20:09 2015
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Tuneup, Build, or Rescue
Message-ID: <CA01FA8F-A036-4548-9A89-747A72BE73C9@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, K3, whatever? 
Does your K2 need a tuneup?
I build and service them all!

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.

Please reply off-list.  :)

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736
Williamsport, PA 17701

From tonybarclay1 at me.com  Wed Aug 26 15:53:50 2015
From: tonybarclay1 at me.com (MM6TGN)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:53:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
In-Reply-To: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1440618830458-7606746.post@n2.nabble.com>

Sorry for the delay and thanks for your input but here is the information

I have the supplied usb cable running from the K3S.

The only other things plugged in to the K3S are the power, antenna and mic

I have not seen the TX light go on throughout, either in test or normal
mode.

Main: MIC SEL is in LINE IN/OUT           

By sound card settings do you mean the sound settings in preferences

I have set in /out on these to USB Audio CODEC  I have done as suggested
with the levels and when I no press  TXMIT and ANS with the FLDIG I now get
4 bars with the 5th flashing this now appears to be stable.
Thi works both in test and normal mode. The Tx light goes on in normal mode 


The difficulty now appears to be that FLdigi is not activating of
deactivating PTT





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From davidahrendts at me.com  Wed Aug 26 16:09:29 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:09:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <DD669325-C287-480B-BA7F-CDD38487C676@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
	<55DC3261.8050901@gmail.com>
	<DD669325-C287-480B-BA7F-CDD38487C676@me.com>
Message-ID: <892A4AA2-3FF6-4638-8399-D13A8AB62DAC@me.com>

Just took delivery of the KUSB for the KPA500. Discovered I am up to speed on FW and saved the config. Left the KUSB connected. Did a 30W K3S tune up and EVERY RED LIGHT on the KPA500 came on. Awesome experience. Sorta like LA?s notorious 405 most nights! Checked everything. Did a quick 30W tune transmission again. KAT500 says 1:1.2 or less. W2, the same. RED LIGHT city again on the KPA500. Removed the cable and we return to sweet green all around. 
So: ya don?t operate the KPA500 with the KUSB attached, right?  

David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:09:25 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:09:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
In-Reply-To: <1440618830458-7606746.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1440618830458-7606746.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55DE1CF5.2030901@embarqmail.com>

You can use VOX instead of PTT - and it is apparently working for you 
right now.
With soundcard data modes, there is no harm in using VOX (unless you 
have MIC + LINE set in the menu - and you should not).
There is no way you will start transmitting because of room sounds. The 
only thing to watch out for is that the USB Audio Codec for the K3S is 
not defined as the default soundcard for the operating system - if it 
is, you will get "computer sounds" being transmitted on the data mode 
portions of the bands, and that is not good for retention of your 
license or the ire of fellow hams.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/26/2015 3:53 PM, MM6TGN wrote:
> I have set in /out on these to USB Audio CODEC  I have done as suggested
> with the levels and when I no press  TXMIT and ANS with the FLDIG I now get
> 4 bars with the 5th flashing this now appears to be stable.
> Thi works both in test and normal mode. The Tx light goes on in normal mode
>
>
> The difficulty now appears to be that FLdigi is not activating of
> deactivating PTT
>
>
>


From tonybarclay1 at me.com  Wed Aug 26 16:26:44 2015
From: tonybarclay1 at me.com (MM6TGN)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:26:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Fldigi and Mac
In-Reply-To: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440593788578-7606741.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1440620804708-7606749.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thank you for that Don that is exactly what I had done. 

Main computer outputs and inputs set else where and the PTT now working with
a little perseverance time to try it out 

Thanks Tony




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From davidahrendts at me.com  Wed Aug 26 18:44:17 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:44:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <BE75A268-46E1-483F-A201-270B15ECE731@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
	<55DC3261.8050901@gmail.com>
	<DD669325-C287-480B-BA7F-CDD38487C676@me.com>
	<892A4AA2-3FF6-4638-8399-D13A8AB62DAC@me.com>
	<BE75A268-46E1-483F-A201-270B15ECE731@me.com>
Message-ID: <5FCFD750-CA96-490F-AE64-0BD56F84314B@me.com>

Interesting, Jack. K3S to KPA500 to KAT500 and a W2 to MA5B typically 1:1.2. Perfecto!
Connected the just received KUSB-KPA500 cable to the amp and to a USB port on my Apple Thunderbolt 27.5 display running with the MacMini.  
Downloaded KAT500 Utility and checked to see I have current firmware. I did. Saved the config. Left the cable in place.
Did a low power (amp in stand-by/amp in stand-by) 20M tune just to check if the KAT500 needed to adjust. Every red light lit up on the amp. Did not dare engage high power. No red lights on the KAT500 or the W2.
Removed the KUSB cable and all was back to normal.
Has to be RF traveling back through the new cable to the KPA500. Let me duplicate the situation again taking great care to separate the KUSB cable from any coax, and I?ll report back.

David A., KC0XT

 

> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I do. No problems here from development through current use, and I put it through worse conditions that just about anyone when testing.
> It sound like you are having problems with RFI getting into the KUSB or rather the KUSB-KPA500 cable. Tell me more about how you have things
> connected in your shack, being specific for the computer to KPA connection.
> 
> Jack Brindle, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:09 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just took delivery of the KUSB for the KPA500. Discovered I am up to speed on FW and saved the config. Left the KUSB connected. Did a 30W K3S tune up and EVERY RED LIGHT on the KPA500 came on. Awesome experience. Sorta like LA?s notorious 405 most nights! Checked everything. Did a quick 30W tune transmission again. KAT500 says 1:1.2 or less. W2, the same. RED LIGHT city again on the KPA500. Removed the cable and we return to sweet green all around. 
>> So: ya don?t operate the KPA500 with the KUSB attached, right?  
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed Aug 26 19:32:13 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <5FCFD750-CA96-490F-AE64-0BD56F84314B@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
	<55DC3261.8050901@gmail.com>
	<DD669325-C287-480B-BA7F-CDD38487C676@me.com>
	<892A4AA2-3FF6-4638-8399-D13A8AB62DAC@me.com>
	<BE75A268-46E1-483F-A201-270B15ECE731@me.com>
	<5FCFD750-CA96-490F-AE64-0BD56F84314B@me.com>
Message-ID: <B4B1E138-DE32-49AB-8A22-6CE966DB64E5@me.com>

Welcome to the world of high power. You will find a lot of things in your shack may not be designed to handle the higher power you now can run.
For example, take a good look at the specs for your MA5B. It is rated at 350 watts key down for any length of time, further rated at 600 watts CW,
with a low duty cycle. Make sure that all cables and connectors in the antenna path are rated for the higher power you now run. You might want
to add a good RF Choke to the MA5B to eliminate problems with RF on the outside of the coax shield. K9YC has a very good tutorial for this.
See:  http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf <http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf>
Take a good look at some of the other things in your shack that also might benefit from good choking. The USB cables will be included in this,
especially the one from the computer to the KPA500.

The problem you are seeing isn?t too hard to resolve, but it will take some patience and experimenting to take care of them. There are a lot of us
on the reflector who have been through this who can help with suggestions. And realize that what you saw was not normal, but is actually not
a problem in the amplifier or radio. It?s just a result of using them. Once you get them licked, things become a lot more fun!

Jack, W6FB


> On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:44 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, Jack. K3S to KPA500 to KAT500 and a W2 to MA5B typically 1:1.2. Perfecto!
> Connected the just received KUSB-KPA500 cable to the amp and to a USB port on my Apple Thunderbolt 27.5 display running with the MacMini.  
> Downloaded KAT500 Utility and checked to see I have current firmware. I did. Saved the config. Left the cable in place.
> Did a low power (amp in stand-by/amp in stand-by) 20M tune just to check if the KAT500 needed to adjust. Every red light lit up on the amp. Did not dare engage high power. No red lights on the KAT500 or the W2.
> Removed the KUSB cable and all was back to normal.
> Has to be RF traveling back through the new cable to the KPA500. Let me duplicate the situation again taking great care to separate the KUSB cable from any coax, and I?ll report back.
> 
> David A., KC0XT
> 
>  
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com <mailto:jackbrindle at me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do. No problems here from development through current use, and I put it through worse conditions that just about anyone when testing.
>> It sound like you are having problems with RFI getting into the KUSB or rather the KUSB-KPA500 cable. Tell me more about how you have things
>> connected in your shack, being specific for the computer to KPA connection.
>> 
>> Jack Brindle, W6FB
>> Elecraft Engineering
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:09 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just took delivery of the KUSB for the KPA500. Discovered I am up to speed on FW and saved the config. Left the KUSB connected. Did a 30W K3S tune up and EVERY RED LIGHT on the KPA500 came on. Awesome experience. Sorta like LA?s notorious 405 most nights! Checked everything. Did a quick 30W tune transmission again. KAT500 says 1:1.2 or less. W2, the same. RED LIGHT city again on the KPA500. Removed the cable and we return to sweet green all around. 
>>> So: ya don?t operate the KPA500 with the KUSB attached, right?  
>>> 
>>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Aug 26 19:54:56 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:54:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
Message-ID: <55DE51D0.3030702@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,8/24/2015 6:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects all KUSBs to a USB hub

I've never considered doing this. Except when there's development for 
brand new products, Elecraft firmware typically updates once or twice a 
year. We're seeing a bit more than that now because of the new K3S and 
P3TXMon.

At home, I use real hardware RS232 to control the two K3s looped through 
P3s in my SO2R station. That works with K3 Utility, P3 Utility, N1MM+, 
WSJT-X, and DXLab Commander. The only control lines to my KPA500 and 
KAT500s are PTT via the RCA connectors.

Both the KPA500 and KAT500s are very good at RF-sensing to do their own 
band-switching. I use their USB connections only when I want to load new 
firmware, and I do it by simply moving a USB cable from one unit to 
another. I use the AUX bus only to feed band decoders for switching 
antennas and bandpass filters.

For FD and CQP, I find myself using the USB cables because the computers 
don't have hardware serial ports.

73, Jim K9YC



From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Aug 26 20:11:49 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <55DE51D0.3030702@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
	<55DE51D0.3030702@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55DE55C5.4020706@foothill.net>

The advantage of connecting the KPA500 to the K3[S] is that you can 
select bands with one button.  Useful for those of us who forget what 
band we wanted as we're stepping through them with the BAND UP/DOWN switch.

Fred K6DGW
--Northern California Contest Club
--CU in the Cal QSO Party
--3-4 Oct 2015

On 8/26/2015 4:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,8/24/2015 6:57 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
>> In a multiple Elecraft device station, I?m curious if anyone connects 
>> all KUSBs to a USB hub
>
> I've never considered doing this. Except when there's development for 
> brand new products, Elecraft firmware typically updates once or twice 
> a year. We're seeing a bit more than that now because of the new K3S 
> and P3TXMon.
>
> At home, I use real hardware RS232 to control the two K3s looped 
> through P3s in my SO2R station. That works with K3 Utility, P3 
> Utility, N1MM+, WSJT-X, and DXLab Commander. The only control lines to 
> my KPA500 and KAT500s are PTT via the RCA connectors.
>
> Both the KPA500 and KAT500s are very good at RF-sensing to do their 
> own band-switching. I use their USB connections only when I want to 
> load new firmware, and I do it by simply moving a USB cable from one 
> unit to another. I use the AUX bus only to feed band decoders for 
> switching antennas and bandpass filters.
>
> For FD and CQP, I find myself using the USB cables because the 
> computers don't have hardware serial ports.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From ke4d at att.net  Wed Aug 26 20:39:19 2015
From: ke4d at att.net (John's email)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:39:19 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3
Message-ID: <3C52E620-E2A7-48A5-BED7-01DB7701C195@att.net>

Me too. After 2 K1s 3 K2s and a K3KPA500, none of which I still own, I too, ordered a Kx3 this weekend. Added the ATU, battery charger and roofing filter options. Hopefully it will arrive late this week. Should be fun. 

de ke4d

John

Sent from my iPad

From davidahrendts at me.com  Wed Aug 26 22:04:17 2015
From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:04:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Multiple KUSB Connects
In-Reply-To: <B4B1E138-DE32-49AB-8A22-6CE966DB64E5@me.com>
References: <6CDDC78D-2B4B-4A25-82AE-0F4EC4FC27E4@me.com>
	<55DC3261.8050901@gmail.com>
	<DD669325-C287-480B-BA7F-CDD38487C676@me.com>
	<892A4AA2-3FF6-4638-8399-D13A8AB62DAC@me.com>
	<BE75A268-46E1-483F-A201-270B15ECE731@me.com>
	<5FCFD750-CA96-490F-AE64-0BD56F84314B@me.com>
	<B4B1E138-DE32-49AB-8A22-6CE966DB64E5@me.com>
Message-ID: <C365372A-29BC-43C5-9672-8B0CD8560DB2@me.com>

Jack, reporting back, as promised:
I could not replicate my red light experience tonight. Carefully keeping the KUSAB-KPA500 cable well away from any coax, I connected as I did yesterday to the Apple display and Mac Mini.
Did a TEN WATT xmit (KPA500 in stand-by). All green lights. Same for 20 watts.
Engaged OPER at 25 watts. Produced 500 watts from the KPA500. Smooth as silk.
I clearly laid the KUSB right smack on top of the power out coax. No other explanation. 
So, case closed. 

And in the words of the very wise moderator of this list, Eric Swartz, (he?s thinking of this right now), ?let?s close this discussion on Multiple USB Connects.? Thanks much. Thread closed.

David A., KC0XT 


> On Aug 26, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Welcome to the world of high power. You will find a lot of things in your shack may not be designed to handle the higher power you now can run.
> For example, take a good look at the specs for your MA5B. It is rated at 350 watts key down for any length of time, further rated at 600 watts CW,
> with a low duty cycle. Make sure that all cables and connectors in the antenna path are rated for the higher power you now run. You might want
> to add a good RF Choke to the MA5B to eliminate problems with RF on the outside of the coax shield. K9YC has a very good tutorial for this.
> See:  http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf <http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf>
> Take a good look at some of the other things in your shack that also might benefit from good choking. The USB cables will be included in this,
> especially the one from the computer to the KPA500.
> 
> The problem you are seeing isn?t too hard to resolve, but it will take some patience and experimenting to take care of them. There are a lot of us
> on the reflector who have been through this who can help with suggestions. And realize that what you saw was not normal, but is actually not
> a problem in the amplifier or radio. It?s just a result of using them. Once you get them licked, things become a lot more fun!
> 
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:44 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, Jack. K3S to KPA500 to KAT500 and a W2 to MA5B typically 1:1.2. Perfecto!
>> Connected the just received KUSB-KPA500 cable to the amp and to a USB port on my Apple Thunderbolt 27.5 display running with the MacMini.  
>> Downloaded KAT500 Utility and checked to see I have current firmware. I did. Saved the config. Left the cable in place.
>> Did a low power (amp in stand-by/amp in stand-by) 20M tune just to check if the KAT500 needed to adjust. Every red light lit up on the amp. Did not dare engage high power. No red lights on the KAT500 or the W2.
>> Removed the KUSB cable and all was back to normal.
>> Has to be RF traveling back through the new cable to the KPA500. Let me duplicate the situation again taking great care to separate the KUSB cable from any coax, and I?ll report back.
>> 
>> David A., KC0XT
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com <mailto:jackbrindle at me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do. No problems here from development through current use, and I put it through worse conditions that just about anyone when testing.
>>> It sound like you are having problems with RFI getting into the KUSB or rather the KUSB-KPA500 cable. Tell me more about how you have things
>>> connected in your shack, being specific for the computer to KPA connection.
>>> 
>>> Jack Brindle, W6FB
>>> Elecraft Engineering
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 1:09 PM, David Ahrendts <davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just took delivery of the KUSB for the KPA500. Discovered I am up to speed on FW and saved the config. Left the KUSB connected. Did a 30W K3S tune up and EVERY RED LIGHT on the KPA500 came on. Awesome experience. Sorta like LA?s notorious 405 most nights! Checked everything. Did a quick 30W tune transmission again. KAT500 says 1:1.2 or less. W2, the same. RED LIGHT city again on the KPA500. Removed the cable and we return to sweet green all around. 
>>>> So: ya don?t operate the KPA500 with the KUSB attached, right?  
>>>> 
>>>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com <mailto:davidahrendts at me.com>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 




David Ahrendts   davidahrendts at me.com   





From pastormg2 at verizon.net  Wed Aug 26 23:39:47 2015
From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 22:39:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
Message-ID: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>

Good Evening,
I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have any good settings to recommend?
Mark Griffin, KB3Z

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 00:03:52 2015
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:03:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55DE8C28.4040201@comcast.net>

Mark,
      Only you can determine what is correct. You need to use a CW tone 
that "feels" best to you. After that, knock off all the frequencies 
above and below your desired CW tone. What you are going to do is 
essentially filter out more noise and distractions that your receive 
filters allow through.  The problem with more specific recommendations 
are that I hear audio differently than you, therefore you need to set it 
up for yourself and your ears. That's part of the fun of having a radio 
where you can adjust everything, finding what works best for you.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 8/26/2015 11:39 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Evening,
> I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have any good settings to recommend?
> Mark Griffin, KB3Z
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 00:13:32 2015
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:13:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <55DE8E6C.5010709@gmail.com>

Note that Rx EQ does not add additional stages of filtering selectivity. 
The DSP builds a single filter which includes the equalization parameters.

In general, you should start by setting the RxEQ on voice signals until 
things are equalized for your speaker or headphones and your ears, and 
adjust the selectivity  of the radio using the shift/width/hi-cut/lo-cut 
controls.  And APF for certain weak-signal CW, of course!

73,

Lyle KK7P



> ...I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have any good settings to recommend?


From k2mk at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 06:05:52 2015
From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:05:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <1440669952765-7606759.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Mark,

Barry's recommendation is what I did, however, there is one other thing to
consider. This topic was discussed a few years ago on the reflector and Lyle
advised that it was not recommended to peak up a desired frequency on CW.
Only use negative settings for undesired frequencies. The reason was that at
narrow DSP width settings like 50Hz or 100Hz the RX EQ is cut off. So if you
had a peak setting of 8db in the RX EQ and you narrowed the bandwidth you
would hear a sudden decrease in audio volume of 8db as you turned the width
knob counter clockwise.

Of course that was many firmware revisions ago so this might not still be
true.

73,
Mike K2MK



pastormg wrote
> Good Evening,
> I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have
> any good settings to recommend?
> Mark Griffin, KB3Z





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From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Thu Aug 27 07:07:48 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 07:07:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S SubRx Question
Message-ID: <030f01d0e0b8$9c6f2b80$d54d8280$@carolinaheli.com>

On a K3S with a SubRx installed and connected to AUX RF do you continue to
hear reception on the SubRx during transmit? The operations manual seems to
imply that you will unless the antennas are not sufficiently isolated in
which case a carrier sensing switch may engage in an attempt to protect the
RX (and there is something about the potential to damage the unit).

Also is the K3 schematic correct for the K3S?

Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore
AE4PB


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Aug 27 07:24:23 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 03:24:23 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) Six Meter EME
Message-ID: <201508271124.t7RBOOh4003815@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Congrats to Gary - KB8RQ and Lance - W7GJ operating V6M on Falalop 
Island in Yap!

I made my inaugural receipt of 6m-eme signals last night and able to 
copy/decode three stations (which included Gary):

073100  4 -22  1.385   38  3*      V6M KG7H DN18             1   0   0.0
074500 10 -20  2.119  -19  3#      V6M KB8RQ EM79      OOO   1   0   0.0
081100  4 -24  1.935 -124  3*      V6M W5ADD EM40            1   0   0.0

I used my K3 with PR6 preamp and 6-element yagi mounted on two 
sections of Rohn-45G tower.  This places the yagi one wavelength 
above ground which results in the major lobe of the antenna at 12 
degree elevation angle when yagi is pointed on the horizon (I have no 
elevation control).  Antenna dimensions were modeled by Mike-K6MYC 
with a gain of 13-dBi.  The  Moon peaked at 13-deg elevation during 
this pass so was perfect position for my antenna.

Details of my station and antenna are on my website:
http://www.kl7uw.com/6m.htm


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 07:47:11 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:47:11 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S SubRx Question
In-Reply-To: <030f01d0e0b8$9c6f2b80$d54d8280$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <030f01d0e0b8$9c6f2b80$d54d8280$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55DEF8BF.2040802@gmail.com>

Both receivers are muted on transmit regardless of the antenna 
connections. The carrier operated relay will protect the receiver (or 
not), but it doesn't have any effect on what you hear.

Don't know about the schematic.

73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 27 Aug 2015 14:07, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> On a K3S with a SubRx installed and connected to AUX RF do you continue to
> hear reception on the SubRx during transmit? The operations manual seems to
> imply that you will unless the antennas are not sufficiently isolated in
> which case a carrier sensing switch may engage in an attempt to protect the
> RX (and there is something about the potential to damage the unit).
>
> Also is the K3 schematic correct for the K3S?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB

From ke6te.9 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:27:43 2015
From: ke6te.9 at gmail.com (George Rebong)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 06:27:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
Message-ID: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>

My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232 DB9
port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
cable to connect my K2.

73
-- 
George Rebong
  KE6TE

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:35:21 2015
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:35:21 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
In-Reply-To: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A47884B-A8BA-4808-B8A4-856DCD7F08B1@gmail.com>

You can use a USB to serial converter, but you MUST make a special cable to connect to the K2 that only connects some of the RS232 lines. Look at the K2 manual for info. If you don't do this you can do serious damage to the K2!

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO 

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 4:27 PM, George Rebong <ke6te.9 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232 DB9
> port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
> cable to connect my K2.
> 
> 73
> -- 
> George Rebong
>  KE6TE
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:36:30 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:36:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
In-Reply-To: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DF125E.3070901@embarqmail.com>

George,

Do not plug the USB to serial adapter directly into the K2 AUX I/O 
connector, plug the adapter into the special cable made to connect to a 
computer serial port.
The AUX I/O connector contains some non-RS232 signals that are used to 
control external Elecraft devices (KAT100, KRC2, XV series transverters) 
and those signal lines will not withstand RS-232 levels - in other 
words, you can damage the K2.

USB to serial adapters differ, even those with the FTDI chip.  Some do 
not like to run at the slow 4800 baud rate of the K2.  If one does not 
work well, try another brand.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2015 9:27 AM, George Rebong wrote:
> My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232 DB9
> port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
> cable to connect my K2.
>
> 73


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug 27 10:41:37 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S NR Definitions
Message-ID: <55DF21A1.3090002@blomand.net>

Regarding the K3S NR function, are there any written definitions, other 
than page 27 in the manual,  as to the effect or responses for the 
various numbers F1 - F8 and their derivatives?

-- 
73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163



From lists at subich.com  Thu Aug 27 10:38:46 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
In-Reply-To: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55DF20F6.8040309@subich.com>


You can use a USB to serial adapter but you must make a cable/adapter
than connects *only* pins 2,3 and 5.  Other pins on the KIO2 connector
are not compatible with RS-232 (+/- signal levels).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/27/2015 9:27 AM, George Rebong wrote:
> My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232 DB9
> port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
> cable to connect my K2.
>
> 73
>

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 10:54:49 2015
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:54:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
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George,

Just in case it isn't quite clear.

   DO THE SPECIAL CABLE

The special cable is what makes the DB9 jack safe to connect to any of the
RS232 stuff, including the USB to serial adapter.  The special cable, a "Y"
cable, puts the three "safe" RS232 leads on one side of the Y and the
"dangerous" Elecraft proprietary K2 internal voltages on the other side.

If you have no external need for the proprietary voltages, you can just do
the RS232 half of the Y to hook up serial stuff.

There are useful variants of this You can do, such as the RS232 half of the
Y only, with a mini tip ring sleeve stereo plug on the non K2 end. This
with a "bundled" key lead hooks up the K2 to my bitty MicroHam CW Keyer for
portable QRP contest operations. The CW Keyer then connects to my laptop
with a USB cable, adding all the useful Winkey functions.

Good luck and
73, Guy K2AV

On Thursday, August 27, 2015, Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> George,
>
> Do not plug the USB to serial adapter directly into the K2 AUX I/O
> connector, plug the adapter into the special cable made to connect to a
> computer serial port.
> The AUX I/O connector contains some non-RS232 signals that are used to
> control external Elecraft devices (KAT100, KRC2, XV series transverters)
> and those signal lines will not withstand RS-232 levels - in other words,
> you can damage the K2.
>
> USB to serial adapters differ, even those with the FTDI chip.  Some do not
> like to run at the slow 4800 baud rate of the K2.  If one does not work
> well, try another brand.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/27/2015 9:27 AM, George Rebong wrote:
>
>> My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232
>> DB9
>> port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
>> cable to connect my K2.
>>
>> 73
>>
>
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From wes at triconet.org  Thu Aug 27 12:18:11 2015
From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS))
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 09:18:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S NR Definitions
In-Reply-To: <55DF21A1.3090002@blomand.net>
References: <55DF21A1.3090002@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55DF3843.3000705@triconet.org>

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lyle%20Johnson%20explains%20Noise%20Reduction.htm

On 8/27/2015 7:41 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> Regarding the K3S NR function, are there any written definitions, other than 
> page 27 in the manual,  as to the effect or responses for the various numbers 
> F1 - F8 and their derivatives?
>


From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Thu Aug 27 12:15:28 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Chortek Bob via Elecraft)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:15:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <1440669952765-7606759.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1440669952765-7606759.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Hi Mark,

Yes, I have been using the settings recommended by Fred Cady - KE7X and think they are great:
Set 50 Hz at -16db
Set 100 Hz at -16db

Set 200 Hz at 0db

Set 400 Hz at +6db

Set 800 Hz at +6db

Set 1600 Hz at 0db
Set 2400 Hz at -16db
Set 3200 Hz at -16db
73,
Bob AA6VB

pastormg wrote
> Good Evening,
> I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have
> any good settings to recommend?
> Mark Griffin, KB3Z





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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug 27 12:54:04 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 11:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S NR Definitions
In-Reply-To: <55DF3843.3000705@triconet.org>
References: <55DF21A1.3090002@blomand.net> <55DF3843.3000705@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <55DF40AC.3050609@blomand.net>

Thanks Wes.  Good information.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/27/2015 11:18 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lyle%20Johnson%20explains%20Noise%20Reduction.htm 
>



From lists at subich.com  Thu Aug 27 12:57:01 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:57:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
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I use similar settings - except I follow the advice of Wayne and Lyle
against using any boost in the EQ.  That leaves the bottom two and
top two bands at -16 with the middle four flat.  On occasion, I have
also set the 1600 Hz band to -16 dB but I set Pitch at 490 Hz which
places 1000 - 12000 Hz well down on the filter skirts even if I have
widened the DSP to 800 Hz.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/27/2015 12:15 PM, Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Yes, I have been using the settings recommended by Fred Cady - KE7X and think they are great:
> Set 50 Hz at -16db
> Set 100 Hz at -16db
>
> Set 200 Hz at 0db
>
> Set 400 Hz at +6db
>
> Set 800 Hz at +6db
>
> Set 1600 Hz at 0db
> Set 2400 Hz at -16db
> Set 3200 Hz at -16db
> 73,
> Bob AA6VB
>
> pastormg wrote
>> Good Evening,
>> I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have
>> any good settings to recommend?
>> Mark Griffin, KB3Z
>
>
>
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Aug 27 14:24:47 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 11:24:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
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It's personal taste, your headphones/speakers, and state of your 
hearing.  My hearing is pretty bad and my hearing aids don't work under 
headphones [I never use speakers].

CW: Don't boost anything over 0 dB, RX EQ goes away at very narrow DSP 
BW settings ... don't remember exactly where.  You can reduce ranges 
above and below your pitch level to remove noise, although I've never 
been very successful at that.

SSB: On advice from Jim, K9YC, I set the profile to approximate the 
shape of my hearing aids [inverse of my audiogram].  You can get +/- 16 
dB, but if you lower the bands where your hearing is good and raise them 
where it is bad [usually the higher frequencies], you can effectively 
get about a 30 dB total range.  You'll have to run the AF gain higher to 
compensate for the EQ reductions of course.  30 dB isn't even close to 
what my hearing aids do, but it does help a lot.

Most importantly, follow Jim's advice and GO SLOWLY!  I flailed around 
changing the settings to no avail and finally gave up and left them 
flat.  When I went back and tried again following his advice, I changed 
one setting at a time and put operating time in between changes, keeping 
track of what I was doing in my station notebook.  After awhile 
[multiple days], I could tell I was improving the intelligibility of SSB 
for my ears.

Fred K6DGW
--Northern California Contest Club
--CU in the Cal QSO Party
--3-4 Oct 2015

On 8/26/2015 8:39 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote:
> Good Evening,
> I have been tinkering around with the RX EQ #'s for CW. Would anyone have any good settings to recommend?
> Mark Griffin, KB3Z
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From vetterestorer at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:08:39 2015
From: vetterestorer at gmail.com (Richard Collier)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic LED Orange
In-Reply-To: <55DF125E.3070901@embarqmail.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55DF125E.3070901@embarqmail.com>
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Hello All:

I just installed the DVR in my K3 and now the LED above the mic control 
is orange and always on.  What did I do?  Everything works normally, 
including the DVR.

Richard
K7SD

From wa4ta at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 15:22:51 2015
From: wa4ta at hotmail.com (tom armour)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic LED Orange
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Message-ID: <COL130-W12511FF51147AC6B38B720F86F0@phx.gbl>

Maybe you put the K3 in split mode?

Tom wa4ta 

> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> From: vetterestorer at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic LED Orange
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> I just installed the DVR in my K3 and now the LED above the mic control 
> is orange and always on.  What did I do?  Everything works normally, 
> including the DVR.
> 
> Richard
> K7SD
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Aug 27 16:36:51 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:36:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <55DF7280.70004@blomand.net>
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As a general rule with use of equalization, most EQ designs seem to have 
less phase shift effect when they are used in the attenuate mode as 
opposed to the boost mode. I've observed that excessive EQ in many 
applications will make an audio signal appear to sound as though it has 
a watery effect. Many traditionally will think in terms of add this or 
add that, when it is usually best to reduce the abundance of a portion 
of a audio signal. In other words, if your signal is reported lacking in 
high end, it is better to reduce the low end as opposed to adding to the 
high end.

73 Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/27/2015 11:57 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >

  I use similar settings - except I follow the advice of Wayne and Lyle 
against using any boost in the EQ.


From rickw8zt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 16:41:14 2015
From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:41:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 30% off today only on Lulu print books.
Message-ID: <CALvs4h_FvK654rd8WiK+BkWbaZ1Td1VuejWZw+O8jpFWv1OjMQ@mail.gmail.com>

great place and time to pick up some of Fred's excellent books. Just a
satisfied customer who gets email alerts from them after buying my Elecraft
books. BTW, thanks Fred for writing such helpful material.

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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 17:17:25 2015
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:17:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
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If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting a serial port to the wrong side.

73, Matt VK2RQ




On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:56 AM -0700, "Guy Olinger K2AV" <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:










George,

Just in case it isn't quite clear.

   DO THE SPECIAL CABLE

The special cable is what makes the DB9 jack safe to connect to any of the
RS232 stuff, including the USB to serial adapter.  The special cable, a "Y"
cable, puts the three "safe" RS232 leads on one side of the Y and the
"dangerous" Elecraft proprietary K2 internal voltages on the other side.

If you have no external need for the proprietary voltages, you can just do
the RS232 half of the Y to hook up serial stuff.

There are useful variants of this You can do, such as the RS232 half of the
Y only, with a mini tip ring sleeve stereo plug on the non K2 end. This
with a "bundled" key lead hooks up the K2 to my bitty MicroHam CW Keyer for
portable QRP contest operations. The CW Keyer then connects to my laptop
with a USB cable, adding all the useful Winkey functions.

Good luck and
73, Guy K2AV

On Thursday, August 27, 2015, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> George,
>
> Do not plug the USB to serial adapter directly into the K2 AUX I/O
> connector, plug the adapter into the special cable made to connect to a
> computer serial port.
> The AUX I/O connector contains some non-RS232 signals that are used to
> control external Elecraft devices (KAT100, KRC2, XV series transverters)
> and those signal lines will not withstand RS-232 levels - in other words,
> you can damage the K2.
>
> USB to serial adapters differ, even those with the FTDI chip.  Some do not
> like to run at the slow 4800 baud rate of the K2.  If one does not work
> well, try another brand.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/27/2015 9:27 AM, George Rebong wrote:
>
>> My K2 has KIO2 RS232. Most of the computers now does not have the RS232
>> DB9
>> port. I wonder if I could use a FTDI serial to USB
>> cable to connect my K2.
>>
>> 73
>>
>
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From vetterestorer at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 18:37:23 2015
From: vetterestorer at gmail.com (Richard Collier)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 15:37:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic LED Orange
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Thanks Tom.  That's all it was...Richard



On 8/27/2015 12:22 PM, tom armour wrote:
> Maybe you put the K3 in split mode?
>
> Tom wa4ta
>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> From: vetterestorer at gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:08:39 -0700
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic LED Orange
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>> I just installed the DVR in my K3 and now the LED above the mic control
>> is orange and always on.  What did I do?  Everything works normally,
>> including the DVR.
>>
>> Richard
>> K7SD
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From rickw8zt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 18:52:34 2015
From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 18:52:34 -0400
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On Thursday, August 27, 2015, Rick Robinson <rickw8zt at gmail.com> wrote:

> great place and time to pick up some of Fred's excellent books. Just a
> satisfied customer who gets email alerts from them after buying my Elecraft
> books. BTW, thanks Fred for writing such helpful material.
>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Aug 28 04:51:15 2015
From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 01:51:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
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Hi Joe,

so is your setting like this...?

Set 50 Hz at -16db 
Set 100 Hz at -16db 

Set 200 Hz at 0db 

Set 400 Hz at 0db 

Set 800 Hz at 0db 

Set 1600 Hz at 0db 
Set 2400 Hz at -16db 
Set 3200 Hz at -16db 

Thanks for advise.

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From kh at kh-translation.dk  Fri Aug 28 05:50:57 2015
From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:50:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
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Dear Fred

Regarding your hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send
LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids.
The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink
which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker
connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids. 
I have been using this for about 4 years now and it is the best "headphones"
I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something
like 450 US $.
Vy de
OZ1CCM, Kjeld

-----Original Message-----
It's personal taste, your headphones/speakers, and state of your hearing.
My hearing is pretty bad and my hearing aids don't work under headphones [I
never use speakers].

Fred K6DGW


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Aug 28 08:48:35 2015
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 05:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1075i-4C30F9BFFBBD47108FC60BED8D73B486@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 8/27/15 at 2:17 PM, matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) wrote:

>If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends 
>very clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid 
>accidentally connecting a serial port to the wrong side.

Perhaps using one of the Elecraft USB <--> RS232 cables which 
terminates in a TRS plug instead of a DE9 connector would be a 
good idea. Then you would have a jack for the RS232 side and 
could safely use a DE9 connector for the Elecraft signals.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 28 09:04:56 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:04:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
In-Reply-To: <F0E8602DF208AAEE.273A5DF6-482A-42DE-A004-D21B49613C60@mail.outlook.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55DF125E.3070901@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc1LqZmo=Wx_3CT42jXNYBDQVDwdGDHLwD-BBANFWaK1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0E8602DF208AAEE.273A5DF6-482A-42DE-A004-D21B49613C60@mail.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <55E05C78.9020200@embarqmail.com>

The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in 
the KAT100 manual for the details.
It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female 
pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that 
the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, 
the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
> a serial port to the wrong side.
>
> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>
>
>


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Fri Aug 28 09:41:57 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control
	question/request
Message-ID: <051b01d0e197$50381b70$f0a85250$@carolinaheli.com>

Reading the docs and different sources on using the K3/S with a SubRx in
diversity receive the primary and sub DSP settings mirror. Am I miss-reading
or is there the ability to independently configure the SubRx DSP? If this
feature isn't available I'd like to ask for it to be considered. As a
minimum the EQ settings could be added to the K3 utility maybe? I'm asking
as I have different hearing losses in each ear where what sounds good to one
side doesn't sound right to the other and vice versa. 

Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore
AE4PB, K3S future owner, 7 days and a wakeup til order


From PKA at telepost.gl  Fri Aug 28 10:28:03 2015
From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:28:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
In-Reply-To: <55E05C78.9020200@embarqmail.com>
References: <CABponH-xoBp0DEh4Q3oSPV7dK61cu-L4Tp5P=yjOPE+sxrLrfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55DF125E.3070901@embarqmail.com>
	<CANckpc1LqZmo=Wx_3CT42jXNYBDQVDwdGDHLwD-BBANFWaK1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0E8602DF208AAEE.273A5DF6-482A-42DE-A004-D21B49613C60@mail.outlook.com>
	<55E05C78.9020200@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <295D236FD7BC5C44AB750A354BBC9D5B3D8AF943@wmbxnuk1.sianiut.tele.gl>

Yes Don,
I for one thought I had a dead USB/serial converter until I realized that I had it connected backwards (K2 end to KAT100 and KAT100 end to K2)!
It does not harm anything, but  the PC will not connect.
/OZ4UN

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] P? vegne af Don Wilhelm
Sendt: 28. august 2015 15:05
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; George Rebong
Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB

The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in the KAT100 manual for the details.
It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
> a serial port to the wrong side.
>
> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>
>
>

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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 20:39:33 2015
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:39:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
Message-ID: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>

I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup 
or sell it.

It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. Has 
the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no antenna 
tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my 
plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the K3 for 2M 
FM so there is no FM filter.

I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, CAT, 
PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 great for 
checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration port 
for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I have never had to 
re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.

Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well as 
the current setup.

Jim W4ATK
K-Line

From w7ox at socal.rr.com  Fri Aug 28 21:01:09 2015
From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E10455.6050206@socal.rr.com>

Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new 
interface does it all as well as the current 
setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.

73, Phil W7OX

On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s 
> will arrive on Wednsday.  So now the decision of 
> whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>
> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 
> 2014. It is a basic K3. Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm 
> TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
> antenna tuner). It currently has the 
> K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my plans 
> are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not 
> use the K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>
> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB 
> connection to the confuser.  The Navigator has a 
> very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux 
> RS232 (full RS232 great for checking/installing 
> new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration 
> port for the Navigator itself. Using the 
> Navigator I have never had to re-cable to do 
> firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>
> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so 
> well together, I am anxious to see if the K3s 
> with its new interface does it all as well as 
> the current setup.
>
> Jim W4ATK
> K-Line


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Aug 28 21:15:41 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:15:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E10455.6050206@socal.rr.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com> <55E10455.6050206@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55E107BD.7010705@blomand.net>

I can't comment about the K3S vs. the K3 but with my K3S I find it works 
well with all my applications running under Windows 10.  I do have an 
issue with WSJT and CAT control.  It doesn't like the TX DATA mode on 
the K3S.    Other than one issue, all seems quite well with the others.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/28/2015 8:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
>> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
>> backup or sell it.
>>
>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
>> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
>> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
>> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>>
>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
>> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
>> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
>> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
>> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>>
>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
>> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
>> as the current setup.
>>
>> Jim W4ATK
>> K-Line
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Aug 28 21:26:48 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:26:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E10A58.3090303@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it. 

I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great 
second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare 
for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it 
out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my 
early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.

73, Jim K9YC

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 28 21:44:07 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E10455.6050206@socal.rr.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com> <55E10455.6050206@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <55E10E67.1040309@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

RF wise, it should be the same as the K3.
Computer-wise, it all depends on the computer and the equipment between 
the computer and the K3S.  Unfortunately "Universal Serial Bus" is not 
so 'universal' when applied to the user.
With the variety of computer and other gear between the K3S and the 
computer, the number of questions seem to expand exponentially as the 
list of devices and applications expand.  USB offers a new set of 
"challenges" that are not present with RS-232, and the unfortunate 
answer is that it is computer dependent.  Not a good situation for 
Elecraft support, but it is reality.  USB is not as "universal" as the 
originators would have hoped it to be - it does have OS and device 
dependencies.

Yes, the K3S USB connection should behave much the same as a K3 with a 
USB to serial adapter.  The K3 simply moves the adapter inside the K3S, 
but the FTDI driver does have its limitations.  In the computer world, 
things are OS dependent, Browser dependent, Com port assignment 
dependent, and a host of other dependencies.  Since the K3S has entered 
the world of USB dependencies the OS and the K3S relationship tightens.  
No longer do we have to simply determine which "USB" Com port is 
connected to the K3S, but we must be able to dig down onto the chaos of 
USB port assignment that is being used by the particular OS you are 
running on your computer.

IMHO, RS-232 interface is much more straightforward, and more usable by 
those who are not "computer geeks".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/28/2015 9:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>


From inventor61 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 21:51:54 2015
From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
Message-ID: <CAHmQzTmRCM=GCeE2+4qF+CTUyj9rqT-M0GB4CEPGLqjytmYRZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.

I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
and I use their superb external power supply as well.

I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
will eventually need to be replaced once again.

I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack
that matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a
protection circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.

The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
most of the longer discharge curve.

One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.

The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
period and the cycle life of the SLA.

The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
restrictions on such cell packs.

If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
id: 9647).

I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.

73

Steve KZ1X

From k4aen at me.com  Fri Aug 28 21:53:06 2015
From: k4aen at me.com (Tom Morehouse)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:53:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
Message-ID: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?

Thanks. 

Tom
K4AEN

Sent from my iPhone

From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 28 22:04:08 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E10A58.3090303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
	<55E10A58.3090303@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <55E11318.7000803@sbcglobal.net>

Pretty much what I plan to do with my K3.
Another fellow brings his K3 to our all-QRP Field Day, so I can add mine 
to the fray.

Prior to ordering my K3S at the Huntsville Hamfest I had ordered and 
received my two K3SYNA cards, so my "old" K3 will have the newer 
synthesizer card and the older bandpass module.

I would have my K3S by now, but I asked Lisa to defer shipment until I 
return home from vacation.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 8/28/2015 9:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>
> I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great
> second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare
> for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it
> out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my
> early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

From jms_k1sd at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 22:33:45 2015
From: jms_k1sd at verizon.net (James Setzler)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:33:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+
References: <9rrM1r00t0ZEM8W01rrMul> <55DF4288.7030005@cox.net>
	<9y0c1r00g2929Ng01y0ev9> <55DF96EF.5030602@cox.net>
	<A2Fk1r00b2929Ng012Flaq>
	<55E01952.2090209@cox.net> <55E04D53.9030109@99main.com>
Message-ID: <000701d0e203$211aad00$63500700$@verizon.net>

Greetings,

 

I?ve been doing SO2V for a while now (4-5 contests anyway).  I use a DB9 serial cable from one of the desktop computer serial ports driving one W1AN FSK Adapter and then into the K3 15pin ACC.  I have 3 DIs on VFOA (MMTTY and two 2Tone (Flat and Flutter)) and 2 on VFOB (SUB RX) (one each MMTTY and 2Tone).  I CQ on VFOA with low sound volume and S&P on SUB RX (VFOB) with no volume ? I just watch the scope for a signal when tuning on B or use the band map to jump to a spot.  I use the K3 A/B button to switch back and forth; some times it works OK but many times not.  It?s rather awkward and prone to mistakes because (for whatever reason) it?s not always a clean transfer between the VFOs with N1MM in this configuration.  Hence my desire to get SO2V working as it is intended to with N1MM.

 

With help from K3IU, K8UT, VE3KI, K5ND, N6XI, W1AN, and others from the Elecraft, N1MM, and RTTY Reflectors I?ve gotten SO2V to work in AFSK cleanly and predictably on the K3 with N1MM.  I?d prefer to use FSK (just ?cause) but I?ll do it with AFSK for now. 

 

Some of the guys who use FSK simply combine the 3 needed lines from the 2 different com ports (from VFOA and VFOB) and feed their FSK adapter without any isolation diodes and they report good results (K5ND esp.).  Some com ports seem to be different from others.  K3IU reports the serial ports on his desktop have problems with FSK.  But when using his Edgeport USB to serial adapter, all works well.  Go figure.

 

I?ve a DB9 Y splitter coming that I?ll first try straight from the 2 serial ports to the single W1AN FSK Adapter.  If that works: Fine.  If not, I?ll install the diodes isolating the 2 com ports per K8UT?s article on his web page from 2012 (I just happen to use the same Rosewill RC-301 serial card).  If any issues continue, it?s full speed ahead with AFSK!

 

The SCC RTTY Contest is this Saturday 1200Z - 1200Z.  I?m going to get on and practice.

 

Thanks again to all for the assistance.  

 

    73 James K1SD

 

 


From k.alexander at rogers.com  Fri Aug 28 22:39:35 2015
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:39:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
In-Reply-To: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
Message-ID: <81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225@rogers.com>

Hi Tom,

My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.

Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.

Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Aug 28 22:50:21 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:50:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW RX
In-Reply-To: <007f01d0e177$09b2b950$1d182bf0$@kh-translation.dk>
References: <11336827.1056627.1440646787314.JavaMail.root@vms170033.mailsrvcs.net>
	<55DF55EF.9010707@foothill.net>
	<007f01d0e177$09b2b950$1d182bf0$@kh-translation.dk>
Message-ID: <55E11DED.9020009@foothill.net>

Hi Kjeld,

Yes, my aids are Phonak, I've tried the TVLink [belonged to someone 
else] and it does work well.  I think it's BlueTooth, my two aids talk 
to each other and change programs at the same time. Sadly, they do not 
include a boom mic which I need.  I also need to shut out surrounding 
sounds.  I really have to focus on the one signal I'm trying to hear.  
The US Veterans Affairs gives me my aids since my loss is the result of 
combat service, I'm really very grateful that I get to walk around with 
$6,000 of microelectronics stuffed into my ears that were free. :-)

I'm mainly a CW guy, would be my choice even if I could hear well, so 
the K3 RX EQ makes SSB "possible" for me.

73,

Fred Jensen K6DGW [Dad was Danish, grandmother spoke Danish with me when 
I was little.  Mom's mother conversed in German with me until Mom and 
Dad found out, it was WW2 and they didn't think that was all that good :-)]

On 8/28/2015 2:50 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote:
> Dear Fred
>
> Regarding your hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send
> LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids.
> The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink
> which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker
> connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids.
> I have been using this for about 4 years now and it is the best "headphones"
> I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something
> like 450 US $.
> Vy de
> OZ1CCM, Kjeld
>
> -----Original Message-----
> It's personal taste, your headphones/speakers, and state of your hearing.
> My hearing is pretty bad and my hearing aids don't work under headphones [I
> never use speakers].
>
> Fred K6DGW
>
>
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From k.alexander at rogers.com  Fri Aug 28 23:00:18 2015
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
Message-ID: <4FD40020-88E0-4028-B064-482768D3315B@rogers.com>

In a word:  I can?t.  OK, that?s two words.

I have followed the procedure and am using the PX3s calibration signal as the signal source.  I have recorded the initial Amplitude and Phase settings.  I can see the two sideband peaks on the display and watch them move closer and further from the centre of the display as I change frequency.  However, no amount of adjusting the phase of amplitude settings will cause the opposite sideband to change whatsoever.  I am open to suggestions.

One other point.  There?s no mention that I can find in the nulling procedure that says what MODE I should be in.  If the opposite sideband is on the right of the display then shouldn?t I be in LSB?  If it doesn?t matter for this procedure then that would have been useful information too.

Any ideas or assistance would be gratefully received!

Thanks and 73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

From plambert at qa.com.au  Fri Aug 28 23:56:38 2015
From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:56:38 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
In-Reply-To: <81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225@rogers.com>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
	<81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <004a01d0e20e$b5b12790$211376b0$@qa.com.au>

You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in case you do get quizzed by someone.

Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll be seen as personal property.

It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's found.

73's Peter VK4JD

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Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2015 12:40 PM
To: Tom Morehouse
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

Hi Tom,

My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.

Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.

Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
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From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 29 00:41:16 2015
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in
	K2
In-Reply-To: <CAHmQzTmRCM=GCeE2+4qF+CTUyj9rqT-M0GB4CEPGLqjytmYRZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmQzTmRCM=GCeE2+4qF+CTUyj9rqT-M0GB4CEPGLqjytmYRZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006e01d0e214$f19261b0$d4b72510$@earthlink.net>

Steve I recommend you get a LiFePO4 charger. The two batteries may occupy
the physical space but they charge differently.
73
Fred, AE6QL

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
inventor61 .
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 6:52 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2

Hello

My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.

I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
and I use their superb external power supply as well.

I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
will eventually need to be replaced once again.

I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack that
matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a protection
circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.

The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
most of the longer discharge curve.

One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.

The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
period and the cycle life of the SLA.

The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
restrictions on such cell packs.

If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
id: 9647).

I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.

73

Steve KZ1X
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From pf at tippete.net  Sat Aug 29 01:53:44 2015
From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:53:44 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
In-Reply-To: <004a01d0e20e$b5b12790$211376b0$@qa.com.au>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
	<81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225@rogers.com>
	<004a01d0e20e$b5b12790$211376b0$@qa.com.au>
Message-ID: <EA20B0A3-EF18-41EF-8A5E-43DA62656DA7@tippete.net>

On 29 August 2015 05:56:38 CEST, Peter Lambert <plambert at qa.com.au> wrote:
>You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked
>with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the
>European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration
>(CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a
>copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting
>that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow
>foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in
>case you do get quizzed by someone.
>
>Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have
>heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll
>be seen as personal property.
>
>It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about
>radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle
>east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's
>found.
>
>73's Peter VK4JD


There will be no import duties as it is personal property. If you want to be extra cautious, bring a copy of your purchase receipt, but my bet is you will not be questioned at all, just exit the green nothing to declare lane and be happy.

I would definitely NOT put it in the shipped luggage. Put it in a backpack and keep it with you in cabin. Especially if you arrive in Rome airport.

Have some alkaline batteries with you
in case security at departure asks you to turn it on. Remember that you can't put lithium batteries in shipped luggage, and there are restrictions on what you can have in cabin (size, type acceptance).

When operating in Italy, have your license with you along with your passport, in case some nosey passer by calls city police on you. 

Have fun

Pf
-- 
Pierfrancesco Caci


From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Aug 29 03:30:01 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:30:01 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
In-Reply-To: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
Message-ID: <10228EEFBDE0487499E18CD5147849CC@DOUG1>

Hi Tom,
    I have travelled to Italy on two occasions by plane with my KX3.   I
will be going to IT9 land later this autumn.

     Take your license with you.   I always take my original license not a
copy.   Have your passport but whilst travelling around in Italy/Europe keep
your passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy with you of the main
passport identity page.   

     I have travelled with the KX3 always with Lithium batteries inside and
never had any problem!   My understanding is that these batteries are okay
in equipment they are used with but should not be carried separately.   Keep
you lithium batteries in the radio.    I travel around Europe plus to and
from the States on a pretty regular basis and have never had any trouble
with KX3 in carry on or luggage.    I like to pack my KX3 into the luggage
though I have also taken it in my carry on.   If the KX3 is in the luggage
there is even less of a hold up at security if there is any holdup at all.
Both ways have always been just fine.   Okay maybe Rome airport could be a
problem but I have not had any trouble anywhere with theft and this includes
JFK once infamous but seemingly fine these days.

      Take a European to North American power adaptor with you.   I use a
small MFJ-4103 power supply originally made for the FT817 but fine for the
KX3.   Being a switching supply it runs from 100 to 240 VAC at 50 or 60 Hz.


      I like to use an AlexLoop whilst travelling but this is not a big
issue.   Pack the antenna in your main luggage.

      You are going to have a good time and you have nothing to be losing
sleep over.   Chill out and have pleasant dreams of good food, warm weather,
good wine, wonderful culture, great scenery and beautiful people.   Enjoy!

              73 Doug EI2CN   

-----Original Message-----
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Morehouse
Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks. 

Tom
K4AEN

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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat Aug 29 03:35:59 2015
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:35:59 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
In-Reply-To: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
Message-ID: <81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>

Tom,
    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Morehouse
Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks. 

Tom
K4AEN

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From ik7565 at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 07:16:42 2015
From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
In-Reply-To: <81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
	<81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <000d01d0e24c$2f2dffc0$8d89ff40$@verizon.net>

CEPT is pretty easy, see http://www.arrl.org/us-amateurs-operating-overseas
73, Ian N8IK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
Turnbull
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 03:36
To: 'Tom Morehouse' <k4aen at me.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2

Tom,
    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.

               73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
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Morehouse
Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks. 

Tom
K4AEN

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From k4aen at me.com  Sat Aug 29 07:41:57 2015
From: k4aen at me.com (Thomas Morehouse)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
In-Reply-To: <81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
	<81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>
Message-ID: <362A9097-E67C-4E5B-B8FC-AFD84F1D082D@me.com>

Mille grazie- Thanks to all who responded. Good advice - I think I have everything necessary - and hope to see you on the air!  

A week in Piemonte and a week in Umbria with wonderful people, food, wine and ham radio!

73

Tom 
K4AEN



From joel.b.black at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 07:55:31 2015
From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 06:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3IOB NF and Sub-receiver Use
Message-ID: <F7C27F52-BE64-495D-8F78-1238CA7CD521@gmail.com>

Any word yet on the audio NF of the K3IOB?

Does the K3IOB output a stereo signal for use with the second receiver?

Thanks,
Joel - W4JBB

From pauls at elecraft.com  Sat Aug 29 11:22:15 2015
From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:22:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
In-Reply-To: <4FD40020-88E0-4028-B064-482768D3315B@rogers.com>
References: <4FD40020-88E0-4028-B064-482768D3315B@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1440861735161-7606808.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Ken, 

First make sure the cables between the PX3 and the KX3 are firmly plugged in
on both the KX3 and PX3 sides.  Pay attention to the I/Q 2.5mm cable.  
During adjustment, move the encoder slowly, the adjustment values are
usually small. 
If you're still having trouble, please contact Elecraft customer support. 


73, 

Paul n6hz




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From jdrog at bellsouth.net  Sat Aug 29 12:06:46 2015
From: jdrog at bellsouth.net (jim rogers)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
	mode
Message-ID: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>

Good morning,

I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up 
my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).

In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and 
loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on 
the K3S all but disappears!

If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns 
to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft 
components.

The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do 
I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?

Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.

Jim N4DU





From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Aug 29 12:19:56 2015
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:19:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in
	Oper	mode
In-Reply-To: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <006101d0e276$8be17010$a3a45030$@elecraft.com>

Perhaps your KPA500 key line is being pulled low?  Might be a cable issue.
I think there's an asterisk on the left side of the KPA500 LCD that shows
when the PA KEY line is being pulled down.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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rogers
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:07 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
mode

Good morning,

I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up my
KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).

In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and loud,
BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on the K3S
all but disappears!

If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns to
loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft components.

The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do I
have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?

Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.

Jim N4DU




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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Aug 29 15:32:41 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:32:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
In-Reply-To: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
References: <55E0FF45.8050602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E208D9.9010204@blomand.net>

My take on this.........a fellow can't have too many radios.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/28/2015 7:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
> backup or sell it.
>
> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>
> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>
> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
> as the current setup.
>
> Jim W4ATK
> K-Line
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From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 15:52:23 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:52:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in
 Oper mode
In-Reply-To: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <55E20D77.3050900@gmail.com>

Jim,

Did you check what the K3S power level displays when the KPA500 is in
Operate mode?  It could be set for very low drive. I have mine set up to
lower the drive from 100w to 30w when the KPA500 goes from standby to
operate.   If you have the setting for per band mode enabled, you will
need to check it on each band.

Warren, KD4Z


On 8/29/2015 12:06 PM, jim rogers wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up
> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and
> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on
> the K3S all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns
> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft
> components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do
> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug 29 16:35:20 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:35:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in
 Oper mode
In-Reply-To: <55E20D77.3050900@gmail.com>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net> <55E20D77.3050900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E21788.10303@embarqmail.com>

Warren,

His problem was in receive, not transmit.  So I don't understand how the 
drive level setting could have anything to do with it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/29/2015 3:52 PM, Warren Merkel wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Did you check what the K3S power level displays when the KPA500 is in
> Operate mode?  It could be set for very low drive. I have mine set up to
> lower the drive from 100w to 30w when the KPA500 goes from standby to
> operate.   If you have the setting for per band mode enabled, you will
> need to check it on each band.
>
> Warren, KD4Z
>
>
> On 8/29/2015 12:06 PM, jim rogers wrote:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up
>> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
>>
>> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and
>> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on
>> the K3S all but disappears!
>>
>> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns
>> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft
>> components.
>>
>> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do
>> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
>>
>> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
>>
>> Jim N4DU
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sat Aug 29 16:55:59 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RE.: new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500
 inOper	mode
In-Reply-To: <006101d0e276$8be17010$a3a45030$@elecraft.com>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
	<006101d0e276$8be17010$a3a45030$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0LvTAD-1YWAI02XA3-010egp@mrelay.perfora.net>

Have the units been moved? Updated? Disconnected/reconnected since working?

If so: Please power off the amp and rig. Pull the cable and check for pushed/bent pins.

Just a shot in the dark. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Dick Dievendorff
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 12:20 PM
To: 'jim rogers';elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 inOper mode


Perhaps your KPA500 key line is being pulled low?  Might be a cable issue.
I think there's an asterisk on the left side of the KPA500 LCD that shows
when the PA KEY line is being pulled down.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim
rogers
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:07 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
mode

Good morning,

I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up my
KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).

In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and loud,
BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on the K3S
all but disappears!

If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns to
loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft components.

The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do I
have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?

Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.

Jim N4DU




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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 17:05:48 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP5i_o1+r5OwfWJUoGBGOzrALLn_jkO8RqVm7b+eS5YZSw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

This week's Elecraft SSB Net will meet tomorrow, 30 August, at 18:00 UTC on
14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from my QTH in Roswell, GA, just north
of Atlanta. Hopefully, the bands will be nicer this week than they have in
the past few weeks. I look forward to hearing everyone on the net.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

From hullspeed21 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 17:13:28 2015
From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in
 Oper mode
In-Reply-To: <55E21788.10303@embarqmail.com>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net> <55E20D77.3050900@gmail.com>
	<55E21788.10303@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E22078.8020808@gmail.com>

Don,

Of course it wouldn't in RX.  Excuse me.  I was under the impression
that the OP was referring to TX and the TX "audio", so I'll stand on my
comment.  Just trying to help sort it out. The OP didn't specifically
state RX or TX so how do you *really* know?

Warren


On 8/29/2015 4:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Warren,
> 
> His problem was in receive, not transmit.  So I don't understand how the
> drive level setting could have anything to do with it.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/29/2015 3:52 PM, Warren Merkel wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Did you check what the K3S power level displays when the KPA500 is in
>> Operate mode?  It could be set for very low drive. I have mine set up to
>> lower the drive from 100w to 30w when the KPA500 goes from standby to
>> operate.   If you have the setting for per band mode enabled, you will
>> need to check it on each band.
>>
>> Warren, KD4Z
>>
>>
>> On 8/29/2015 12:06 PM, jim rogers wrote:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up
>>> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
>>>
>>> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and
>>> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on
>>> the K3S all but disappears!
>>>
>>> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns
>>> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft
>>> components.
>>>
>>> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do
>>> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
>>>
>>> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
>>>
>>> Jim N4DU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Aug 29 19:23:32 2015
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:23:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in
 Oper mode
In-Reply-To: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
References: <55E1D896.5090002@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <B234BB7F-C8D5-4F24-9596-E2E6574EB158@me.com>

Jim;

Dick?s advice is sound. When in OPER mode, the KPA will display an asterisk on the left side of the display when PTT is applied. If you are seeing that
indicator, check the PTT connections to see if there is a short to ground. When using the KPA with your K3S, you should only use the AUX I/O cable,
nothing should be plugged into the PTT jack on the KPA500. If this is the case, then check the AUX I/O cable to make sure that no pins are bent. If you
see one bent over, try to straighten it without breaking it (might be difficult) and try the cable again.

There were no firmware changes for the KPA500 for the K3S. The interface and use is identical to that with the K3. The latest shipping firmware is V1.38,
which is what you should be using in your KPA.

- Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:06 AM, jim rogers <jdrog at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on the K3S all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sat Aug 29 20:04:26 2015
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:04:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
In-Reply-To: <362A9097-E67C-4E5B-B8FC-AFD84F1D082D@me.com>
References: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6@me.com>
	<81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D@DOUG1>
	<362A9097-E67C-4E5B-B8FC-AFD84F1D082D@me.com>
Message-ID: <C346B0AC-93C6-4140-951D-AE846C5D530B@coastside.net>

You should take a copy of your purchase receipt with you. That way it won't be questioned when you come home. I've never had a problem but I always carry the receipts for high value camera equipment. 

Have a great trip!
73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From k5rhd.73 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 23:43:08 2015
From: k5rhd.73 at gmail.com (Randy Diddel)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 21:43:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] SOTA Goat with my KX3!
Message-ID: <5ED3DB43-4D91-4FF2-AF00-61F23C3639D0@gmail.com>

First of all, I want to thank Elecraft for making such a fine rig!

  With the exception of my first activation (was still waiting for my KX3 to arrive back in May 2012), 99.99% of my SOTA Goat was achieved using the KX3.  It really shined today as the peak that was to make the 1000th point was out of range of any cell service and I was unable to self spot.  That, coupled with band conditions being horrible, I sat on 14.3425 calling CQ SOTA for over 10 minutes without an answer. Finally K2JB answered and spotting me.  I eeked out 6 contacts and got the 10 SOTA points for the Goat!

73 to all the SOTA chasers, without you I could not have done it!

73 de K5RHD,


/randy



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Aug 30 06:11:11 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 02:11:11 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
Message-ID: <201508301011.t7UABC6t017073@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Two things:
1.  Good idea to have proof of purchase that has date.  Not for 
traveling abroad but so you can show upon re-entry to the US at 
Customs, previous ownership and prove its not something you bought in 
Italy.  Ele-craft sounds pretty Italian to me.
2.  Do not put in checked luggage.  Read the fine print from US 
airlines "do not place valuables like jewelry, cash, or electronics 
in checked luggage (there is no coverage for such items in checked 
luggage).  I had a brand new DEMI item bought at a conference stolen 
from my luggage and was told they would not compensate me for 
electronics.  Fortunately it was hdwr and an enclosure kit which I 
convinced them to pay me...took six months.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From ray.fallen at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 08:24:54 2015
From: ray.fallen at gmail.com (Ray Fallen)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 08:24:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Vacation
Message-ID: <CALHzQUEXttAq2uNnr1FSpdj9q39XURvvZJCntfP-RLsTin8nWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom...

What you need is a Customs and Border Protection Form 4457:
"Certificate of Registration for Personal Effects Taken Abroad."

The fillable form and instructions are on CPB's web site:
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/CBP%20Form%204457_0.pdf

In short, fill out the form...take the form and KX3 to the nearest customs
office,
have the gear inspected and the form signed by a Customs Officer.
There doesn't seem to be an expiration date on the form.

A group of us go to VP9 every year.  I list my K3, P3, Mac Mini and Astron
power
supply.  I don't think CPB or Bermudian Customs cares so much about my socks
and tidy whities...but the radio stuff is a bit of a red flag.

Oh, and well, duh...bring your license, too and put a copy in the box with
your KX3.

I've heard tell that some guys have been  asked to power up their rig...so
make sure
your batteries are good to go.

73, Ray - ND8L
K3 - SN 6150

From n1nk at cox.net  Sun Aug 30 09:23:36 2015
From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:23:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/K3s}  fs:  Elecraft PR6-10 preamp
Message-ID: <007c01d0e327$13a737e0$3af5a7a0$@cox.net>

I upgraded my K3 with the KXV3B interface, hence the external preamp is
surplus to my needs.  I am asking$125 shipped stateside, outside USA at
actual cost.  

 

This requires a KXV3 or KXV3A interface;  I have one available.

 

Jim/N1NK


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 30 11:50:50 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: 400Hz and 200Hz Filter
Message-ID: <014801d0e33b$a65ea320$f31be960$@carolinaheli.com>

Anyone have pre-owned but working /good condition filters for sale for the
K3/K3S?
WTB: 400Hz and 200Hz Filters
Thanks in advance.
Jerry Moore
AE4PB


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Aug 30 13:40:52 2015
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:40:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <55E34024.4020701@coho.net>

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS
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From k.alexander at rogers.com  Sun Aug 30 15:08:10 2015
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - opposite sideband nulling
Message-ID: <55E3549A.9000006@rogers.com>

I'm happy to say the opposite sideband nulling problems I had are now 
fixed, and working fine!  Operator malfunction once again...sadly!  I 
think I'll spare myself the embarrassment by not going into details.

All other setup items have gone fine except for one I will ask about in 
a separate message.

Many thanks for the suggestions to those who offered them.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

From k.alexander at rogers.com  Sun Aug 30 15:24:40 2015
From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:24:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - setting sidetone pitch
Message-ID: <55E35878.3080100@rogers.com>

I'm having trouble selecting the sidetone pitch I want.  The KX3 came 
pre-set at 550 Hz, which is a little low for my ears.  My K2 was set to 
650 and that worked well.

All the KX3 manual says (p. 16) is "The receiver's passband will be 
centered at the pitch you select"...but not a word on how to select the 
pitch I want!  I pressed PITCH and tried rotating the VFO A and B dials 
but moving them does nothing except kick you out of pitch mode.

I thought it might be a Menu setting (that's where I'd put it because 
it's a set-and-forget function for me) but there's nothing there either.

How does one specify the sidetone frequency they want?

Thanks and 73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

From m0lep at hewett.org  Sun Aug 30 15:56:24 2015
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:56:24 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - setting sidetone pitch
References: <55E35878.3080100@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1a88.55e35fe8.d6df1.m0lep@hewett.org>

On Sun 30 Aug Ken Alexander wrote:
> I pressed PITCH and tried rotating the VFO A and B dials but moving 
> them does nothing except kick you out of pitch mode.

Press "PITCH" (under "CMP") so that the pitch frequency appears in the 
"B" display, and turn the KEYER/MIC/PWR button to adjust the pitch.

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:09:17 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:09:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - setting sidetone pitch
In-Reply-To: <55E35878.3080100@rogers.com>
References: <55E35878.3080100@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <55E362ED.3080209@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

Press Pitch and and rotate the knob above the button.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/30/2015 3:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
> I'm having trouble selecting the sidetone pitch I want.  The KX3 came 
> pre-set at 550 Hz, which is a little low for my ears.  My K2 was set 
> to 650 and that worked well.
>
> All the KX3 manual says (p. 16) is "The receiver's passband will be 
> centered at the pitch you select"...but not a word on how to select 
> the pitch I want!  I pressed PITCH and tried rotating the VFO A and B 
> dials but moving them does nothing except kick you out of pitch mode.
>
> I thought it might be a Menu setting (that's where I'd put it because 
> it's a set-and-forget function for me) but there's nothing there either.
>
> How does one specify the sidetone frequency they want?
>


From Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA  Sun Aug 30 16:51:52 2015
From: Tellam at MCCARTHY.CA (Ellam, Timothy St. J.)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 20:51:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON issue
Message-ID: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B36CA4786@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal>

P3TXMON installed. I have the high power HF coupler in line after the KPA500.

I set the menu to display both the power and SWR on the P3. Works fine, but the SWR shows infinity (99) on the display. Clearly incorrect as the display on the KPA500 is correct. Thought perhaps RF in the cable to the coupler, but moving it around makes no difference.

Any ideas?

73

Tim VE6SH

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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:53:29 2015
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 16:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Weekly SSB Net Results - August 30
Message-ID: <017001d0e365$f057c3b0$d1074b10$@gmail.com>

Once again, conditions conspired to keep us down. But we didn't let poor
propagation stop us from having a great time. 19 of us total were able to
check in to today's net:

 

W4RKS                  Jim         TX           K3           3618

N6JW/P                John      CA          KX3        515

NS7P                     Phil         OR          K3           1826

W0CZ                    Ken        ND          K3           457

NA5C                     Steve    TX           K3S         10121

VE3XM                 Bob        ON         K3           409

W8OV                   Dave      TX           K3           3139

KC0XT                   David     CA          K3S         10125

KB1YAP                Art          MA         ICOM IC-7600

KO8V                     Joe         TX           KX3        7986

WB5JJA                Ray         OK          K3           7877

W5TTF                  Charlie  TX           K3           4016

W4DML                Doug     TN          K3           6433

KB4BKM               Brian      NC          KX3        4330

K4STN                   Bill          GA          KX3        4330

NR4C                     Bill          VA          K3S         10062

WW4JF                 John      TN          KX3        159

KM4IK                   Ian          GA          K3           281

 

Thanks to David, KC0XT, and Ken, W0CZ, for helping with relays this
afternoon.

 

Everyone have a safe week, and a good Labor Day Weekend. Hear everyone on
the net next Sunday.

 

73 de,

 

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From pdtwonotes at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 17:31:16 2015
From: pdtwonotes at gmail.com (Paul Dickson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] equalization in DATA-A mode?
Message-ID: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>

My KX3 is connected to my computer through a SignaLink USB device.
I only operate digital modes, either with fldigi or wsjt-x, and always
in
DATA-A mode.   The waterfall display in both these programs shows a
pronounced increase in levels at the low and high ends of the audio
passband.   So much so that the background noise goes into "yellow",
or even "red".

A picture of this is at http://imgurl.org?di=5S2I

That was taken with no antenna connected at all, VFO at 14070,
in DATA-A mode.   Bandwidth was set to 4kHz.  The radio has the
ATU and roofing filter options installed.

Since DATA-A is supposed to disable all equalization and compression,
I thought at first that the SignaLink was introducing this, but if I
use the PBT knob to descrease the bandwidth to 2 kHz, the "yellow"
regions move toward the center - though the effect is most pronounced
whan the BW is 4kHz.  This makes me think it is an artifact of
the DSP algorithms.

If I change the mode to SSB so I can re-enable RX EQ, I can dial-down
the ends a bit.

Also notice that outside of the silent region just outside the chosen
bandwidth, the noise level rises again.  This is not generally a
problem
so far.

Is this expected behavior?   It makes it difficult to see signals that
fall
toward the ends of the passband.  In extreme cases I retune the VFO to
make them fall in the center.

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Aug 30 18:57:19 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 15:57:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] equalization in DATA-A mode?
In-Reply-To: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,8/30/2015 2:31 PM, Paul Dickson wrote:
> A picture of this is athttp://imgurl.org?di=5S2I

First, turn off "Flatten," which will get rid of the yellow and red 
peaks at either end.

Second, set Start to 250 or 300 Hz and Bins/Pixels to 4 or 5, so that 
the display shows only the bandwidth of your IF (in this plot, audio 
from 350 Hz to 3.55 kHz). Audio frequencies outside these limits don't 
get through your IF and roofing filters, so don't waste DSP on them.

These comments apply specifically to WSJT-X, but the same concepts are 
at play in FLDIGI (which I don't use, so can't help you with).

73, Jim K9YC

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 30 21:26:37 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:26:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <0M6DOO-1YlPyE0IN0-00yBfZ@mrelay.perfora.net>

On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it. 

Thanks in advance. 
Jerry Moore
AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup. 

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.


From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 30 22:14:21 2015
From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:14:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>

On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup. 

 

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.

 


From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 22:25:38 2015
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>

Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his 
thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some 
improvements to the K3 since then?

73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/30/15 10:14 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it.
>
>   
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup.
>
>   
>
> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.
>
>   
>
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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 22:28:25 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:28:25 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <55e3bbcb.0db6420a.bf35a.396d@mx.google.com>

Jerry

I understand the k3 in question was a very early version and Rob consulted with zelecraft and that issue was fixed long ago.



-----Original Message-----
From: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>
Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:16 PM
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions

On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it. 

 

Thanks in advance. 

Jerry Moore

AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup. 

 

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.

 

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From w2up at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 22:29:08 2015
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:29:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
Message-ID: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>

I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
$999.00 :-)

Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
packaging?
If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US (CA to
CO, specifically)?

Tnx,
Barry W2UP





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From vk1zzgary at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 22:33:07 2015
From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:33:07 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>

Scott,

I think the report might be a year old.

I don't place much stock in eHam, most articles are Perception ' based and I prefer Rob's testing and reports.

Wayne acknowledged the IMD issue way back when Rob pointed it out, it was fixed very quickly.
Gary 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:26 PM
To: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions

Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his 
thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some 
improvements to the K3 since then?

73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/30/15 10:14 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
> On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it.
>
>   
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jerry Moore
>
> AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup.
>
>   
>
> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.
>
>   
>
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From nq5t at tx.rr.com  Sun Aug 30 22:37:36 2015
From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:37:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <621F6AE0-625F-43DD-B9CB-AA9061DB902C@tx.rr.com>

The $999 tells you you can?t ship USPS.  Pick UPS.

Grant NQ5T


> On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
> $999.00 :-)
> 
> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
> packaging?


From lists at subich.com  Sun Aug 30 22:41:09 2015
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55E3BEC5.9070504@subich.com>


> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz
> with packaging?

They are greater than 14 oz.

> If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US
 > (CA to CO, specifically)?

Probably USPS Priority Mail.  At least it has been my experience that
Priority Mail is less expensive and more reliable than either UPS or
FedEX 2-Day or surface.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 8/30/2015 10:29 PM, Barry wrote:
> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
> $999.00 :-)
>
> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
> packaging?
> If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US (CA to
> CO, specifically)?
>
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>
>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug 30 22:48:53 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55E3C095.1070102@embarqmail.com>

Barry,

Choose another shipping method.  USPS Priority Mail or UPS should work.
If you do not choose a valid shipping method, the shipping charge will 
be listed as $999.00 - that is artificial, but does tell you that the 
shipping method chosen is not valid.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/30/2015 10:29 PM, Barry wrote:
> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
> $999.00 :-)
>
>


From pincon at erols.com  Sun Aug 30 23:00:42 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:00:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <007e01d0e399$3cb30110$b6190330$@erols.com>

You apparently clicked on the box for "Personal
overnight delivery, hand carried in an airplane
seat by at least two of the company's top
executives.

Yeah, THAT method does get a little pricey.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 10:29 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot
for shipping!

I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade
boards for my K3.  I'm presented with a myriad of
shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but
no weight is listed for the board.  Then, the
shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost
as
$999.00 :-)

Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they
greater than 14 oz with packaging?
If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping
method within the US (CA to CO, specifically)?

Tnx,
Barry W2UP





From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Aug 30 23:09:07 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:09:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
	<55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net>

In as much as most multi contest stations use K3 radios and will likely 
move to K3S radios, there wouldn't seem to be any concerns in this regard.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/30/2015 9:33 PM, Gary wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I think the report might be a year old.
>
> I don't place much stock in eHam, most articles are Perception ' based and I prefer Rob's testing and reports.
>
> Wayne acknowledged the IMD issue way back when Rob pointed it out, it was fixed very quickly.
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
> Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:26 PM
> To: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
>
> Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his
> thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some
> improvements to the K3 since then?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 8/30/15 10:14 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
>> On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had) IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>>
>> AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup.
>>
>>    
>>
>> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is the thread.
>>
>>    
>>
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Sun Aug 30 23:19:11 2015
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:19:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
	<55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8091C77E-0DCE-4705-BA44-B0A67F275B54@carolinaheli.com>

Thanks guys, I expected that was the case, but, didn't know what to say when the guy was saying those things about the k3. I really can't wait until Saturday gets here. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the rig and getting my kit ordered. 

On August 30, 2015 10:33:07 PM EDT, Gary <vk1zzgary at gmail.com> wrote:
>Scott,
>
>I think the report might be a year old.
>
>I don't place much stock in eHam, most articles are Perception ' based
>and I prefer Rob's testing and reports.
>
>Wayne acknowledged the IMD issue way back when Rob pointed it out, it
>was fixed very quickly.
>Gary 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
>Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:26 PM
>To: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>;
>"Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
>
>Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his 
>thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some
>
>improvements to the K3 since then?
>
>73,
>Scott N9AA
>
>
>On 8/30/15 10:14 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:
>> On eham.com someone was pointing out that the K3 has (perhaps had)
>IMD issues compared to some others. I?m not an expert but would like to
>know if this has been fixed? It seems there are less expensive radios
>with better IMD. I?m still pretty much sold on the K3S but would like
>to know more about this and if it?s an issue. What the implications are
>of the increased IMD, and what if anything I can do resolve it.
>>
>>   
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Jerry Moore
>>
>> AE4PB, Future K3S owner ? 5 days and a wakeup.
>>
>>   
>>
>> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,97093.0.html  is
>the thread.
>>
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>>
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 23:22:41 2015
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:22:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
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	<55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net>
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Again, the Sherwood TX IMD test that is the basis of the eHam thread is 
almost 7 years old. That problem was fixed long ago, which is why so 
many multi-multi stations and DXpeditions have been using K3s (not 
K3S's) for all of these years. There hasn't really been any concern 
about the K3's TX IMD for quite sometime, except for the occasional eHam 
troll.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/30/15 11:09 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> In as much as most multi contest stations use K3 radios and will 
> likely move to K3S radios, there wouldn't seem to be any concerns in 
> this regard.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/30/2015 9:33 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> I think the report might be a year old.
>>
>> I don't place much stock in eHam, most articles are Perception ' 
>> based and I prefer Rob's testing and reports.
>>
>> Wayne acknowledged the IMD issue way back when Rob pointed it out, it 
>> was fixed very quickly.
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
>> Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:26 PM
>> To: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>; 
>> "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
>>
>> Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his
>> thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some
>> improvements to the K3 since then?
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>


From dave at nk7z.net  Sun Aug 30 23:30:29 2015
From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 20:30:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1440991829.21200.123.camel@nostromo.nk7z>

That is Elecraft's way of reminding you that you have not selected an
option yet...  :)
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On Sun, 2015-08-30 at 19:29 -0700, Barry wrote:
> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
> $999.00 :-)
> 
> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
> packaging?
> If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US (CA to
> CO, specifically)?
> 
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Aug 31 01:31:49 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 22:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3TXMON issue
In-Reply-To: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B36CA4786@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal>
References: <8A95468E87A3074D92B72ACDE23B495B36CA4786@CANEXMBR02.firm.internal>
Message-ID: <55E3E6C5.1060105@sonic.net>

Perhaps the coupler is hooked up backwards?  If the cover got installed 
backwards, the labels for "Transmitter" and "Load" would be switched.

Alan N1AL


On 08/30/2015 01:51 PM, Ellam, Timothy St. J. wrote:
> P3TXMON installed. I have the high power HF coupler in line after the
> KPA500.
>
> I set the menu to display both the power and SWR on the P3. Works
> fine, but the SWR shows infinity (99) on the display. Clearly
> incorrect as the display on the KPA500 is correct. Thought perhaps RF
> in the cable to the coupler, but moving it around makes no
> difference.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> 73
>
> Tim VE6SH
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From K2TK at ptd.net  Mon Aug 31 01:50:42 2015
From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>

Hi Barry,

                 The 2 boards most likely exceed the 14 oz limit.  If you really 
want 1st class mail used. split the order as 2 separate boards.  That may still 
be cheaper than UPS and quicker too.  Don't know about CO .but cross country to 
NJ It seems to me that USPS pretty consistently beats UPS with 1st class or 
Priority mail. on a price and performance basis.

YMMV.....

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 8/30/2015 10:29 PM, Barry wrote:
> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
> $999.00 :-)
>
> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
> packaging?
> If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US (CA to
> CO, specifically)?
>
> Tnx,
> Barry W2UP
>
>


From Mike at ve3yf.com  Mon Aug 31 04:33:01 2015
From: Mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:33:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
Message-ID: <mailman.229.1441009995.22964.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Barry:

FWIW, it cost me $47.00 to have 4 x boards shipped to me up here in 
Ontario. I do believe that I used USPS Priority Shipping.


73 De Mike
VE3YF

http://www.ve3yf.com

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Aug 31 07:37:28 2015
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:37:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
Message-ID: <6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>

I really don't think the two boards exceed 4 oz much less 14. He left a field blank on the info screen. Go back and make a selection for EVERY field and you should be fine. The form does not make assumptions. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 31, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Bob <K2TK at ptd.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry,
> 
>                The 2 boards most likely exceed the 14 oz limit.  If you really want 1st class mail used. split the order as 2 separate boards.  That may still be cheaper than UPS and quicker too.  Don't know about CO .but cross country to NJ It seems to me that USPS pretty consistently beats UPS with 1st class or Priority mail. on a price and performance basis.
> 
> YMMV.....
> 
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
> 
> 
>> On 8/30/2015 10:29 PM, Barry wrote:
>> I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.  I'm
>> presented with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class.  It
>> says Dirst Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for
>> the board.  Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost as
>> $999.00 :-)
>> 
>> Can 2 boards be shipped First Class or are they greater than 14 oz with
>> packaging?
>> If so, what is the most cost-effective shipping method within the US (CA to
>> CO, specifically)?
>> 
>> Tnx,
>> Barry W2UP
> 
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From greenacres113 at charter.net  Mon Aug 31 07:40:59 2015
From: greenacres113 at charter.net (greenacres113 at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 06:40:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Postage
Message-ID: <BPgz1r00E2HfrqE01Pgzs6@charter.net>



	Yes, domestic mail up to 14 oz is 1st Class then Priority rates take
over. The rate would be about $6 anywhere in the USA for less than 2
lbs.

	K9IL

From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 08:36:43 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCY5LURY9AEVQWv01S+Q+VOAWxe3me1ig1nD43kfzstH_w@mail.gmail.com>

This has come up before. Wouldn't it be just as easy to program
the system to say something like "INVALID" RATHER THAN $999.00
to indicate INVALID ?

Jim - W4RKS
-----------------------
*Barry* w2up at comcast.net
<elecraft%40mailman.qth.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BElecraft%5D%20Wow%2C%20Elecraft%20charges%20a%20lot%20for%20shipping%21&In-Reply-To=%3C1440988148319-7606836.post%40n2.nabble.com%3E>
*Sun Aug 30 22:29:08 EDT 2015*


   - I want to order 2 KSYN3AUPG synthesizer upgrade boards for my K3.
I'm presented
   with a myriad of shipping choices, including USPS First Class. It says
   First Class only for orders up to 14 oz, but no weight is listed for the
   board. Then, the shopping cart lists the USPS First Class s/h cost
as $999.00
   :-)

From raysills3 at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 08:58:50 2015
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>

When I ordered my KX3 kit several years ago, I requested USPS Priority Mail.  The cost was around $15 (less expensive than any other shipping method), and it arrived (west coast to east coast) in 3 days? maybe 2, I forget.  But, it -was- quick.

USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only once in my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major city)? but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished for a day or two, before finally coming back to Philly and ultimately to me.  BTW, this hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  I still prefer USPS Priority.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211


From pincon at erols.com  Mon Aug 31 09:28:42 2015
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:28:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <003401d0e3f0$f8fa3df0$eaeeb9d0$@erols.com>

Bringing this discussion back down to Earth, 

I ship a lot of moderate weight (up to 5 pound) items and I can tell you that shipping costs have escalated so much over the past few years that I'm sure many people have limited their internet shopping.  This is especially true from my experience with international sales.  As an example, I make a variety of spun aluminum knob inlays for "boatanchor" radios that range in price from $1 to $4 and weigh practically nothing.  The cheapest I can ship a tiny inlay to Europe in  * a box, is $7.10.  Needless to say, bundling for overseas shipments is the only practical way.

If your first impression is that Elecraft's shipping is a tad on the high side, just remember, the high dollar items are insured for full value.   That's an added $20 for a $2k item.  That plus the very real high cost for any service moves that amount up quite a bit.

Admittedly, loss or damage to a relatively small package is low, but do you really want to take that chance?

73, Charlie k3ICH


* Yes, I could put it in a simple envelope for $1.35, but the chance of damage is close to 100%.  I use a fold-up "cassette mailer" box that you could stand on resulting in a damage percentage under 1%.  My only concern is just how long a cassette mailer box is going to be sold.  Does anybody still use cassettes, or much less,  send them through the mail?    Domestic USPS on that box has gone from 59? to $2.54 in about ten years.   Int'l, from a couple bucks to $7.10 in the same time frame.





-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray Sills
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:59 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!

When I ordered my KX3 kit several years ago, I requested USPS Priority Mail.  The cost was around $15 (less expensive than any other shipping method), and it arrived (west coast to east coast) in 3 days? maybe 2, I forget.  But, it -was- quick.

USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only once in my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major city)? but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished for a day or two, before finally coming back to Philly and ultimately to me.  BTW, this hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  I still prefer USPS Priority.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211




From wmgoins at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:34:11 2015
From: wmgoins at gmail.com (Michael Goins)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:34:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <003401d0e3f0$f8fa3df0$eaeeb9d0$@erols.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
	<003401d0e3f0$f8fa3df0$eaeeb9d0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <CAMkviCgABkBEP_+E4Wgr6iYGQiqAmnQQdky7VeOFeVQzkdXM-g@mail.gmail.com>

I use USPS most of the time, UPS very occasionally. Had to use Fedex
recently to ship the manuscript for a novel to my editor. One small box
containing 400 sheets of paper. Almost a hundred dollars to New York to get
there overnight and it barely made it there on time. Never again.

Mike, k5wmg
Bella-Green Bed & Breakfast
www.bella-green.com


On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:

> Bringing this discussion back down to Earth,
>
> I ship a lot of moderate weight (up to 5 pound) items and I can tell you
> that shipping costs have escalated so much over the past few years that I'm
> sure many people have limited their internet shopping.  This is especially
> true from my experience with international sales.  As an example, I make a
> variety of spun aluminum knob inlays for "boatanchor" radios that range in
> price from $1 to $4 and weigh practically nothing.  The cheapest I can ship
> a tiny inlay to Europe in  * a box, is $7.10.  Needless to say, bundling
> for overseas shipments is the only practical way.
>
> If your first impression is that Elecraft's shipping is a tad on the high
> side, just remember, the high dollar items are insured for full value.
>  That's an added $20 for a $2k item.  That plus the very real high cost for
> any service moves that amount up quite a bit.
>
> Admittedly, loss or damage to a relatively small package is low, but do
> you really want to take that chance?
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
> * Yes, I could put it in a simple envelope for $1.35, but the chance of
> damage is close to 100%.  I use a fold-up "cassette mailer" box that you
> could stand on resulting in a damage percentage under 1%.  My only concern
> is just how long a cassette mailer box is going to be sold.  Does anybody
> still use cassettes, or much less,  send them through the mail?    Domestic
> USPS on that box has gone from 59? to $2.54 in about ten years.   Int'l,
> from a couple bucks to $7.10 in the same time frame.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray
> Sills
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 8:59 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
>
> When I ordered my KX3 kit several years ago, I requested USPS Priority
> Mail.  The cost was around $15 (less expensive than any other shipping
> method), and it arrived (west coast to east coast) in 3 days? maybe 2, I
> forget.  But, it -was- quick.
>
> USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only once in
> my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
> The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major city)?
> but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished for a day or
> two, before finally coming back to Philly and ultimately to me.  BTW, this
> hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  I still prefer USPS Priority.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
>
>
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From w2up at comcast.net  Mon Aug 31 09:51:09 2015
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 06:51:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <CAMkviCgABkBEP_+E4Wgr6iYGQiqAmnQQdky7VeOFeVQzkdXM-g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
	<003401d0e3f0$f8fa3df0$eaeeb9d0$@erols.com>
	<CAMkviCgABkBEP_+E4Wgr6iYGQiqAmnQQdky7VeOFeVQzkdXM-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1441029069067-7606856.post@n2.nabble.com>

Tnx for all the replies, including the amusing ones (of which I expected a
few)  :-)

I changed the shipping choice to USPS Prio Mail and it worked fine (about
$12) and it said the package weighs 1.6 lbs.

Yes, shipping is expensive.  Guess the little guys have to subsidize the
Amazon.com's of the world cheap, high volume rates.

Barry W2UP



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From hans.elfelt at me.com  Mon Aug 31 10:41:20 2015
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:41:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - intermittant noise on 60 meters
Message-ID: <783EE09F-A15B-46AE-91EF-5876CD70A084@me.com>

After reinstalling the internal battery in my K2, a new and hitherto never heard 
intermittant noise is now heard in display mode.
It appears as one every second.
Could that be noise from the charging circuit 
entering the recently installed KDSP2 unit.
Any clues to this ??

Hans , OZ5RB

From gio.flynn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 10:44:52 2015
From: gio.flynn at gmail.com (John Flynn)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <1441029069067-7606856.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
	<003401d0e3f0$f8fa3df0$eaeeb9d0$@erols.com>
	<CAMkviCgABkBEP_+E4Wgr6iYGQiqAmnQQdky7VeOFeVQzkdXM-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1441029069067-7606856.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALK2ZbybwieH7n1owNTwS5x7okZjbzwz4A6uTD27MBoxdbiUQg@mail.gmail.com>

Check out USPS Flat Rate Priority. A small box is only $5.05 if you print
the label yourself. Medium box is about $15.

73,

John K4ARQ

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Barry <w2up at comcast.net> wrote:

> Tnx for all the replies, including the amusing ones (of which I expected a
> few)  :-)
>
> I changed the shipping choice to USPS Prio Mail and it worked fine (about
> $12) and it said the package weighs 1.6 lbs.
>
> Yes, shipping is expensive.  Guess the little guys have to subsidize the
> Amazon.com's of the world cheap, high volume rates.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>
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From elecraft at mailman.qth.net  Mon Aug 31 11:37:59 2015
From: elecraft at mailman.qth.net (bruce whitney via Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:37:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?
Message-ID: <1441035479.48262.YahooMailBasic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Anyone know? - Does Elecraft offer any specifications for QSK performance?
Perhaps some sort of T/R turnaround time or a claim for some max. WPM with acceptible performance?
I've been in discusions with some friends that do QRQ QSK with K3's and the K3s - seems to be some slight disappointment.
No problem for me - But I have noticed that my Orion II seems better than my K3 (with the new Synth) in QSK...
Anything official on this?




From aldermant at windstream.net  Mon Aug 31 12:05:38 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?
In-Reply-To: <1441035479.48262.YahooMailBasic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1441035479.48262.YahooMailBasic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801d0e406$e16b59b0$a4420d10$@windstream.net>

What's your call sign and your name? With that info I can tell you my QRQ
test on my K3 at high speeds.

Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bruce
whitney via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:38 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?

Anyone know? - Does Elecraft offer any specifications for QSK performance?
Perhaps some sort of T/R turnaround time or a claim for some max. WPM with
acceptible performance?
I've been in discusions with some friends that do QRQ QSK with K3's and the
K3s - seems to be some slight disappointment.
No problem for me - But I have noticed that my Orion II seems better than my
K3 (with the new Synth) in QSK...
Anything official on this?



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From tf3y at tf3y.net  Mon Aug 31 12:32:01 2015
From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y))
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:32:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E3C881.8040207@gmail.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
	<55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
	<55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net> <55E3C881.8040207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADXHQtyVisPEDZytep74B5bOe5ZEEGfBbcRW7YGejhU62_av8A@mail.gmail.com>

Some time ago I was discussing this with one of the locals who maintained
that the K3 had terrible TX IMD.

I wonder if there are any newer published TX IMD test results?

In any case I guess the K3S has better TX IMD due to the new PA design.

73, Yngvi TF3Y

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Again, the Sherwood TX IMD test that is the basis of the eHam thread is
> almost 7 years old. That problem was fixed long ago, which is why so many
> multi-multi stations and DXpeditions have been using K3s (not K3S's) for
> all of these years. There hasn't really been any concern about the K3's TX
> IMD for quite sometime, except for the occasional eHam troll.
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 8/30/15 11:09 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>
>> In as much as most multi contest stations use K3 radios and will likely
>> move to K3S radios, there wouldn't seem to be any concerns in this regard.
>>
>> 73
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> K3S s/n 10,163
>>
>> On 8/30/2015 9:33 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I think the report might be a year old.
>>>
>>> I don't place much stock in eHam, most articles are Perception ' based
>>> and I prefer Rob's testing and reports.
>>>
>>> Wayne acknowledged the IMD issue way back when Rob pointed it out, it
>>> was fixed very quickly.
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: ?31/?08/?2015 12:26 PM
>>> To: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>; "
>>> Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
>>>
>>> Did you happen to notice that the IMD test that KA4WJA is basing his
>>> thread on is from 2008? Do you think that Elecraft might have made some
>>> improvements to the K3 since then?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Scott N9AA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug 31 12:32:02 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:32:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E3C881.8040207@gmail.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
	<55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
	<55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net> <55E3C881.8040207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E48182.9000003@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,8/30/2015 8:22 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> Again, the Sherwood TX IMD test that is the basis of the eHam thread 
> is almost 7 years old. 

Study k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf  which is a comparison of ARRL LAb testing of 
popular transceivers, including the K3. Occupied bandwidth of a CW 
signal is an excellent test of IMD, because CW is 100% modulation of a 
carrier by a square wave, whose infinite harmonics excite IMD. The K3 is 
the cleanest of all rigs tested, and it isn't close.

IMD in a K3 is highest at its highest power setting, and is also highest 
with low DC power supply voltage. Unlike many other popular rigs, IMD in 
the K3 gets even better at reduced output power. Most of the better 
power amps require drive power in the range of 30-50 watts, and having a 
clean signal matters most when you're loud in the other guy's RX. :)

73, Jim K9YC

From w2apf at myfairpoint.net  Sun Aug 30 19:55:56 2015
From: w2apf at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:55:56 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <mailman.26163.1440877957.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.26163.1440877957.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <F6463E99-49B0-4A9B-B01B-6A3294BC0904@myfairpoint.net>

As long as it leaves Italy with you you will not have a problem.  In you radio case keep copy of CEPT regs, copy of your license, copy of air tickets and copy of your passport.  I've done it many times with no issues.

I Amin Korea returning from a month in Australia, Timor L'Este and Indonesia.  The only issue oh adware totally miserable band conditions.  There were days that I could not
Even get a spot on the RBN!

Good luck with the propagation Gods!

Thaire. W2APF



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> 
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>   1. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Don Wilhelm)
>   2. K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control    question/request
>      (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
>   3. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA))
>   4. New K3s (Jim Rogers)
>   5. Re: New K3s (Phil Wheeler)
>   6. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>   7. Re: New K3s (Jim Brown)
>   8. Re: New K3s (Don Wilhelm)
>   9. [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
>      (inventor61 .)
>  10. Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Tom Morehouse)
>  11. Re: New K3s (Jim Lowman)
>  12. FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+ (James Setzler)
>  13. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Ken Alexander)
>  14. Re: CW RX (Fred Jensen)
>  15. PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Ken Alexander)
>  16. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Peter Lambert)
>  17. Re: [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in    K2
>      (Fred Townsend)
>  18. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Pierfrancesco Caci)
>  19. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Doug Turnbull)
>  20. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Doug Turnbull)
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> 
>   1. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Don Wilhelm)
>   2. K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control    question/request
>      (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
>   3. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA))
>   4. New K3s (Jim Rogers)
>   5. Re: New K3s (Phil Wheeler)
>   6. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>   7. Re: New K3s (Jim Brown)
>   8. Re: New K3s (Don Wilhelm)
>   9. [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
>      (inventor61 .)
>  10. Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Tom Morehouse)
>  11. Re: New K3s (Jim Lowman)
>  12. FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+ (James Setzler)
>  13. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Ken Alexander)
>  14. Re: CW RX (Fred Jensen)
>  15. PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Ken Alexander)
>  16. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Peter Lambert)
>  17. Re: [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in    K2
>      (Fred Townsend)
>  18. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Pierfrancesco Caci)
>  19. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Doug Turnbull)
>  20. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Doug Turnbull)
>  21. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Ian)
>  22. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Thomas Morehouse)
>  23. K3IOB NF and Sub-receiver Use (Joel Black)
>  24. Re: PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
>  25. new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper    mode
>      (jim rogers)
>  26. Re: new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in    Oper
>      mode (Dick Dievendorff)
>  27. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>  28. Re: new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
>      mode (Warren Merkel)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:04:56 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, George Rebong <ke6te.9 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> Message-ID: <55E05C78.9020200 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in 
> the KAT100 manual for the details.
> It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female 
> pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
> The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that 
> the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
> The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, 
> the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
>> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
>> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
>> a serial port to the wrong side.
>> 
>> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:41:57 -0400
> From: <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control
>    question/request
> Message-ID: <051b01d0e197$50381b70$f0a85250$@carolinaheli.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Reading the docs and different sources on using the K3/S with a SubRx in
> diversity receive the primary and sub DSP settings mirror. Am I miss-reading
> or is there the ability to independently configure the SubRx DSP? If this
> feature isn't available I'd like to ask for it to be considered. As a
> minimum the EQ settings could be added to the K3 utility maybe? I'm asking
> as I have different hearing losses in each ear where what sounds good to one
> side doesn't sound right to the other and vice versa. 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S future owner, 7 days and a wakeup til order
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:28:03 +0000
> From: Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) <PKA at telepost.gl>
> To: "w3fpr at embarqmail.com" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    George
>    Rebong <ke6te.9 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> Message-ID:
>    <295D236FD7BC5C44AB750A354BBC9D5B3D8AF943 at wmbxnuk1.sianiut.tele.gl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Yes Don,
> I for one thought I had a dead USB/serial converter until I realized that I had it connected backwards (K2 end to KAT100 and KAT100 end to K2)!
> It does not harm anything, but  the PC will not connect.
> /OZ4UN
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] P? vegne af Don Wilhelm
> Sendt: 28. august 2015 15:05
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; George Rebong
> Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> 
> The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in the KAT100 manual for the details.
> It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
> The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
> The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
>> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
>> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
>> a serial port to the wrong side.
>> 
>> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:39:33 -0500
> From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E0FF45.8050602 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup 
> or sell it.
> 
> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. Has 
> the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no antenna 
> tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my 
> plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the K3 for 2M 
> FM so there is no FM filter.
> 
> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, CAT, 
> PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 great for 
> checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration port 
> for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I have never had to 
> re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
> 
> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well as 
> the current setup.
> 
> Jim W4ATK
> K-Line
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:01:09 -0700
> From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10455.6050206 at socal.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new 
> interface does it all as well as the current 
> setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s 
>> will arrive on Wednsday.  So now the decision of 
>> whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>> 
>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 
>> 2014. It is a basic K3. Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm 
>> TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>> antenna tuner). It currently has the 
>> K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my plans 
>> are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not 
>> use the K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>> 
>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB 
>> connection to the confuser.  The Navigator has a 
>> very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux 
>> RS232 (full RS232 great for checking/installing 
>> new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration 
>> port for the Navigator itself. Using the 
>> Navigator I have never had to re-cable to do 
>> firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>> 
>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so 
>> well together, I am anxious to see if the K3s 
>> with its new interface does it all as well as 
>> the current setup.
>> 
>> Jim W4ATK
>> K-Line
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:15:41 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E107BD.7010705 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> I can't comment about the K3S vs. the K3 but with my K3S I find it works 
> well with all my applications running under Windows 10.  I do have an 
> issue with WSJT and CAT control.  It doesn't like the TX DATA mode on 
> the K3S.    Other than one issue, all seems quite well with the others.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 8:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
>> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>> 
>>> On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
>>> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
>>> backup or sell it.
>>> 
>>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
>>> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>>> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
>>> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
>>> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>>> 
>>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
>>> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
>>> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
>>> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
>>> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>>> 
>>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
>>> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
>>> as the current setup.
>>> 
>>> Jim W4ATK
>>> K-Line
>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:26:48 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10A58.3090303 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
>> On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it. 
> 
> I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great 
> second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare 
> for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it 
> out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my 
> early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:44:07 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10E67.1040309 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Phil,
> 
> RF wise, it should be the same as the K3.
> Computer-wise, it all depends on the computer and the equipment between 
> the computer and the K3S.  Unfortunately "Universal Serial Bus" is not 
> so 'universal' when applied to the user.
> With the variety of computer and other gear between the K3S and the 
> computer, the number of questions seem to expand exponentially as the 
> list of devices and applications expand.  USB offers a new set of 
> "challenges" that are not present with RS-232, and the unfortunate 
> answer is that it is computer dependent.  Not a good situation for 
> Elecraft support, but it is reality.  USB is not as "universal" as the 
> originators would have hoped it to be - it does have OS and device 
> dependencies.
> 
> Yes, the K3S USB connection should behave much the same as a K3 with a 
> USB to serial adapter.  The K3 simply moves the adapter inside the K3S, 
> but the FTDI driver does have its limitations.  In the computer world, 
> things are OS dependent, Browser dependent, Com port assignment 
> dependent, and a host of other dependencies.  Since the K3S has entered 
> the world of USB dependencies the OS and the K3S relationship tightens.  
> No longer do we have to simply determine which "USB" Com port is 
> connected to the K3S, but we must be able to dig down onto the chaos of 
> USB port assignment that is being used by the particular OS you are 
> running on your computer.
> 
> IMHO, RS-232 interface is much more straightforward, and more usable by 
> those who are not "computer geeks".
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 9:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
>> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:51:54 -0400
> From: "inventor61 ." <inventor61 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery
>    in K2
> Message-ID:
>    <CAHmQzTmRCM=GCeE2+4qF+CTUyj9rqT-M0GB4CEPGLqjytmYRZQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hello
> 
> My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.
> 
> I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
> charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
> and I use their superb external power supply as well.
> 
> I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
> will eventually need to be replaced once again.
> 
> I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack
> that matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
> matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a
> protection circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.
> 
> The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
> new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
> most of the longer discharge curve.
> 
> One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
> continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.
> 
> The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
> period and the cycle life of the SLA.
> 
> The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
> weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
> restrictions on such cell packs.
> 
> If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
> id: 9647).
> 
> I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
> affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
> information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
> the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.
> 
> 73
> 
> Steve KZ1X
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:53:06 -0400
> From: Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:08 -0400
> From: Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E11318.7000803 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Pretty much what I plan to do with my K3.
> Another fellow brings his K3 to our all-QRP Field Day, so I can add mine 
> to the fray.
> 
> Prior to ordering my K3S at the Huntsville Hamfest I had ordered and 
> received my two K3SYNA cards, so my "old" K3 will have the newer 
> synthesizer card and the older bandpass module.
> 
> I would have my K3S by now, but I asked Lisa to defer shipment until I 
> return home from vacation.
> 
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 9:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>>> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>> 
>> I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great
>> second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare
>> for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it
>> out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my
>> early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:33:45 -0400
> From: "James Setzler" <jms_k1sd at verizon.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    "N1MM Logger Plus Reflector"
>    <N1MMLoggerPlus at yahoogroups.com>,    <RTTY at contesting.com>
> Cc: John Spigel W1AN <jms at 99main.com>,    Mike McKaughan K1DM
>    <k1dm.dr.michael at gmail.com>,    KI1G Rick <ki1g at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+
> Message-ID: <000701d0e203$211aad00$63500700$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve been doing SO2V for a while now (4-5 contests anyway).  I use a DB9 serial cable from one of the desktop computer serial ports driving one W1AN FSK Adapter and then into the K3 15pin ACC.  I have 3 DIs on VFOA (MMTTY and two 2Tone (Flat and Flutter)) and 2 on VFOB (SUB RX) (one each MMTTY and 2Tone).  I CQ on VFOA with low sound volume and S&P on SUB RX (VFOB) with no volume ? I just watch the scope for a signal when tuning on B or use the band map to jump to a spot.  I use the K3 A/B button to switch back and forth; some times it works OK but many times not.  It?s rather awkward and prone to mistakes because (for whatever reason) it?s not always a clean transfer between the VFOs with N1MM in this configuration.  Hence my desire to get SO2V working as it is intended to with N1MM.
> 
> 
> 
> With help from K3IU, K8UT, VE3KI, K5ND, N6XI, W1AN, and others from the Elecraft, N1MM, and RTTY Reflectors I?ve gotten SO2V to work in AFSK cleanly and predictably on the K3 with N1MM.  I?d prefer to use FSK (just ?cause) but I?ll do it with AFSK for now. 
> 
> 
> 
> Some of the guys who use FSK simply combine the 3 needed lines from the 2 different com ports (from VFOA and VFOB) and feed their FSK adapter without any isolation diodes and they report good results (K5ND esp.).  Some com ports seem to be different from others.  K3IU reports the serial ports on his desktop have problems with FSK.  But when using his Edgeport USB to serial adapter, all works well.  Go figure.
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve a DB9 Y splitter coming that I?ll first try straight from the 2 serial ports to the single W1AN FSK Adapter.  If that works: Fine.  If not, I?ll install the diodes isolating the 2 com ports per K8UT?s article on his web page from 2012 (I just happen to use the same Rosewill RC-301 serial card).  If any issues continue, it?s full speed ahead with AFSK!
> 
> 
> 
> The SCC RTTY Contest is this Saturday 1200Z - 1200Z.  I?m going to get on and practice.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks again to all for the assistance.  
> 
> 
> 
>    73 James K1SD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:39:35 -0400
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225 at rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.
> 
> Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.
> 
> Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Tom
>> K4AEN
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:50:21 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW RX
> Message-ID: <55E11DED.9020009 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Kjeld,
> 
> Yes, my aids are Phonak, I've tried the TVLink [belonged to someone 
> else] and it does work well.  I think it's BlueTooth, my two aids talk 
> to each other and change programs at the same time. Sadly, they do not 
> include a boom mic which I need.  I also need to shut out surrounding 
> sounds.  I really have to focus on the one signal I'm trying to hear.  
> The US Veterans Affairs gives me my aids since my loss is the result of 
> combat service, I'm really very grateful that I get to walk around with 
> $6,000 of microelectronics stuffed into my ears that were free. :-)
> 
> I'm mainly a CW guy, would be my choice even if I could hear well, so 
> the K3 RX EQ makes SSB "possible" for me.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred Jensen K6DGW [Dad was Danish, grandmother spoke Danish with me when 
> I was little.  Mom's mother conversed in German with me until Mom and 
> Dad found out, it was WW2 and they didn't think that was all that good :-)]
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 2:50 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote:
>> Dear Fred
>> 
>> Regarding your hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send
>> LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids.
>> The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink
>> which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker
>> connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids.
>> I have been using this for about 4 years now and it is the best "headphones"
>> I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something
>> like 450 US $.
>> Vy de
>> OZ1CCM, Kjeld
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> It's personal taste, your headphones/speakers, and state of your hearing.
>> My hearing is pretty bad and my hearing aids don't work under headphones [I
>> never use speakers].
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:00:18 -0400
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
> Message-ID: <4FD40020-88E0-4028-B064-482768D3315B at rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> In a word:  I can?t.  OK, that?s two words.
> 
> I have followed the procedure and am using the PX3s calibration signal as the signal source.  I have recorded the initial Amplitude and Phase settings.  I can see the two sideband peaks on the display and watch them move closer and further from the centre of the display as I change frequency.  However, no amount of adjusting the phase of amplitude settings will cause the opposite sideband to change whatsoever.  I am open to suggestions.
> 
> One other point.  There?s no mention that I can find in the nulling procedure that says what MODE I should be in.  If the opposite sideband is on the right of the display then shouldn?t I be in LSB?  If it doesn?t matter for this procedure then that would have been useful information too.
> 
> Any ideas or assistance would be gratefully received!
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:56:38 +1000
> From: "Peter Lambert" <plambert at qa.com.au>
> To: "'Ken Alexander'" <k.alexander at rogers.com>,    "'Tom Morehouse'"
>    <k4aen at me.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <004a01d0e20e$b5b12790$211376b0$@qa.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in case you do get quizzed by someone.
> 
> Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll be seen as personal property.
> 
> It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's found.
> 
> 73's Peter VK4JD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Alexander
> Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2015 12:40 PM
> To: Tom Morehouse
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.
> 
> Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.
> 
> Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Tom
>> K4AEN
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:41:16 -0700
> From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
> To: "'inventor61 .'" <inventor61 at gmail.com>,
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA
>    battery in    K2
> Message-ID: <006e01d0e214$f19261b0$d4b72510$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Steve I recommend you get a LiFePO4 charger. The two batteries may occupy
> the physical space but they charge differently.
> 73
> Fred, AE6QL
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> inventor61 .
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 6:52 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
> 
> Hello
> 
> My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.
> 
> I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
> charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
> and I use their superb external power supply as well.
> 
> I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
> will eventually need to be replaced once again.
> 
> I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack that
> matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
> matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a protection
> circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.
> 
> The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
> new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
> most of the longer discharge curve.
> 
> One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
> continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.
> 
> The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
> period and the cycle life of the SLA.
> 
> The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
> weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
> restrictions on such cell packs.
> 
> If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
> id: 9647).
> 
> I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
> affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
> information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
> the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.
> 
> 73
> 
> Steve KZ1X
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> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:53:44 +0200
> From: Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at tippete.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <EA20B0A3-EF18-41EF-8A5E-43DA62656DA7 at tippete.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
>> On 29 August 2015 05:56:38 CEST, Peter Lambert <plambert at qa.com.au> wrote:
>> You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked
>> with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the
>> European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration
>> (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a
>> copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting
>> that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow
>> foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in
>> case you do get quizzed by someone.
>> 
>> Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have
>> heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll
>> be seen as personal property.
>> 
>> It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about
>> radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle
>> east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's
>> found.
>> 
>> 73's Peter VK4JD
> 
> 
> There will be no import duties as it is personal property. If you want to be extra cautious, bring a copy of your purchase receipt, but my bet is you will not be questioned at all, just exit the green nothing to declare lane and be happy.
> 
> I would definitely NOT put it in the shipped luggage. Put it in a backpack and keep it with you in cabin. Especially if you arrive in Rome airport.
> 
> Have some alkaline batteries with you
> in case security at departure asks you to turn it on. Remember that you can't put lithium batteries in shipped luggage, and there are restrictions on what you can have in cabin (size, type acceptance).
> 
> When operating in Italy, have your license with you along with your passport, in case some nosey passer by calls city police on you. 
> 
> Have fun
> 
> Pf
> -- 
> Pierfrancesco Caci
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:30:01 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
> To: "'Tom Morehouse'" <k4aen at me.com>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <10228EEFBDE0487499E18CD5147849CC at DOUG1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Tom,
>    I have travelled to Italy on two occasions by plane with my KX3.   I
> will be going to IT9 land later this autumn.
> 
>     Take your license with you.   I always take my original license not a
> copy.   Have your passport but whilst travelling around in Italy/Europe keep
> your passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy with you of the main
> passport identity page.   
> 
>     I have travelled with the KX3 always with Lithium batteries inside and
> never had any problem!   My understanding is that these batteries are okay
> in equipment they are used with but should not be carried separately.   Keep
> you lithium batteries in the radio.    I travel around Europe plus to and
> from the States on a pretty regular basis and have never had any trouble
> with KX3 in carry on or luggage.    I like to pack my KX3 into the luggage
> though I have also taken it in my carry on.   If the KX3 is in the luggage
> there is even less of a hold up at security if there is any holdup at all.
> Both ways have always been just fine.   Okay maybe Rome airport could be a
> problem but I have not had any trouble anywhere with theft and this includes
> JFK once infamous but seemingly fine these days.
> 
>      Take a European to North American power adaptor with you.   I use a
> small MFJ-4103 power supply originally made for the FT817 but fine for the
> KX3.   Being a switching supply it runs from 100 to 240 VAC at 50 or 60 Hz.
> 
> 
>      I like to use an AlexLoop whilst travelling but this is not a big
> issue.   Pack the antenna in your main luggage.
> 
>      You are going to have a good time and you have nothing to be losing
> sleep over.   Chill out and have pleasant dreams of good food, warm weather,
> good wine, wonderful culture, great scenery and beautiful people.   Enjoy!
> 
>              73 Doug EI2CN   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:35:59 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
> To: "'Tom Morehouse'" <k4aen at me.com>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D at DOUG1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Tom,
>    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
> website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
> Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
> It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
> have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.
> 
>               73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:16:42 -0400
> From: "Ian" <ik7565 at verizon.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <000d01d0e24c$2f2dffc0$8d89ff40$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> CEPT is pretty easy, see http://www.arrl.org/us-amateurs-operating-overseas
> 73, Ian N8IK 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
> Turnbull
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 03:36
> To: 'Tom Morehouse' <k4aen at me.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> 
> Tom,
>    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
> website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
> Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
> It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
> have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.
> 
>               73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:41:57 -0400
> From: Thomas Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> To: Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <362A9097-E67C-4E5B-B8FC-AFD84F1D082D at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Mille grazie- Thanks to all who responded. Good advice - I think I have everything necessary - and hope to see you on the air!  
> 
> A week in Piemonte and a week in Umbria with wonderful people, food, wine and ham radio!
> 
> 73
> 
> Tom 
> K4AEN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 06:55:31 -0500
> From: Joel Black <joel.b.black at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3IOB NF and Sub-receiver Use
> Message-ID: <F7C27F52-BE64-495D-8F78-1238CA7CD521 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Any word yet on the audio NF of the K3IOB?
> 
> Does the K3IOB output a stereo signal for use with the second receiver?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:22:15 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
> Message-ID: <1440861735161-7606808.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi Ken, 
> 
> First make sure the cables between the PX3 and the KX3 are firmly plugged in
> on both the KX3 and PX3 sides.  Pay attention to the I/Q 2.5mm cable.  
> During adjustment, move the encoder slowly, the adjustment values are
> usually small. 
> If you're still having trouble, please contact Elecraft customer support. 
> 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul n6hz
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:06:46 -0400
> From: jim rogers <jdrog at bellsouth.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500
>    in Oper    mode
> Message-ID: <55E1D896.5090002 at bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up 
> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and 
> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on 
> the K3S all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns 
> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft 
> components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do 
> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:19:56 -0700
> From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com>
> To: "'jim rogers'" <jdrog at bellsouth.net>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when
>    KPA500 in    Oper    mode
> Message-ID: <006101d0e276$8be17010$a3a45030$@elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Perhaps your KPA500 key line is being pulled low?  Might be a cable issue.
> I think there's an asterisk on the left side of the KPA500 LCD that shows
> when the PA KEY line is being pulled down.
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim
> rogers
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:07 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
> mode
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up my
> KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and loud,
> BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on the K3S
> all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns to
> loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do I
> have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:32:41 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E208D9.9010204 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> My take on this.........a fellow can't have too many radios.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 7:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
>> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
>> backup or sell it.
>> 
>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
>> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
>> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
>> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>> 
>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
>> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
>> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
>> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
>> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>> 
>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
>> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
>> as the current setup.
>> 
>> Jim W4ATK
>> K-Line
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> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:52:23 -0400
> From: Warren Merkel <hullspeed21 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when
>    KPA500 in Oper mode
> Message-ID: <55E20D77.3050900 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Did you check what the K3S power level displays when the KPA500 is in
> Operate mode?  It could be set for very low drive. I have mine set up to
> lower the drive from 100w to 30w when the KPA500 goes from standby to
> operate.   If you have the setting for per band mode enabled, you will
> need to check it on each band.
> 
> Warren, KD4Z
> 
> 
>> On 8/29/2015 12:06 PM, jim rogers wrote:
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up
>> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
>> 
>> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and
>> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on
>> the K3S all but disappears!
>> 
>> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns
>> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft
>> components.
>> 
>> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do
>> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
>> 
>> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
>> 
>> Jim N4DU
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From w2apf at myfairpoint.net  Sun Aug 30 20:02:01 2015
From: w2apf at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:02:01 +0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <mailman.26163.1440877957.22967.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Message-ID: <8E68CADE-1548-4EBE-8C06-478C5778B544@myfairpoint.net>

I have to disagree, always carry your radio as carry-on and especially LiPo batteries.

Last week I had security at Alice Springs look at the X-ray image and say: "I see you brought your KX3 with you, I have one too.  I Just need  to check your batteries."  

Have fun!

Thaire. W2APF



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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Don Wilhelm)
>   2. K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control    question/request
>      (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
>   3. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA))
>   4. New K3s (Jim Rogers)
>   5. Re: New K3s (Phil Wheeler)
>   6. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>   7. Re: New K3s (Jim Brown)
>   8. Re: New K3s (Don Wilhelm)
>   9. [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
>      (inventor61 .)
>  10. Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Tom Morehouse)
>  11. Re: New K3s (Jim Lowman)
>  12. FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+ (James Setzler)
>  13. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Ken Alexander)
>  14. Re: CW RX (Fred Jensen)
>  15. PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Ken Alexander)
>  16. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Peter Lambert)
>  17. Re: [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in    K2
>      (Fred Townsend)
>  18. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Pierfrancesco Caci)
>  19. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Doug Turnbull)
>  20. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Doug Turnbull)
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>   1. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Don Wilhelm)
>   2. K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control    question/request
>      (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com)
>   3. Re: K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB (Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA))
>   4. New K3s (Jim Rogers)
>   5. Re: New K3s (Phil Wheeler)
>   6. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>   7. Re: New K3s (Jim Brown)
>   8. Re: New K3s (Don Wilhelm)
>   9. [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
>      (inventor61 .)
>  10. Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Tom Morehouse)
>  11. Re: New K3s (Jim Lowman)
>  12. FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+ (James Setzler)
>  13. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Ken Alexander)
>  14. Re: CW RX (Fred Jensen)
>  15. PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Ken Alexander)
>  16. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Peter Lambert)
>  17. Re: [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in    K2
>      (Fred Townsend)
>  18. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Pierfrancesco Caci)
>  19. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation (Doug Turnbull)
>  20. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Doug Turnbull)
>  21. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Ian)
>  22. Re: Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2 (Thomas Morehouse)
>  23. K3IOB NF and Sub-receiver Use (Joel Black)
>  24. Re: PX3 opposite sideband nulling (Paul Saffren N6HZ)
>  25. new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper    mode
>      (jim rogers)
>  26. Re: new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in    Oper
>      mode (Dick Dievendorff)
>  27. Re: New K3s (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
>  28. Re: new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
>      mode (Warren Merkel)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:04:56 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, George Rebong <ke6te.9 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> Message-ID: <55E05C78.9020200 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in 
> the KAT100 manual for the details.
> It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female 
> pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
> The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that 
> the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
> The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, 
> the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
>> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
>> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
>> a serial port to the wrong side.
>> 
>> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 09:41:57 -0400
> From: <ae4pb at carolinaheli.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S with SubRx - Independant DSP control
>    question/request
> Message-ID: <051b01d0e197$50381b70$f0a85250$@carolinaheli.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Reading the docs and different sources on using the K3/S with a SubRx in
> diversity receive the primary and sub DSP settings mirror. Am I miss-reading
> or is there the ability to independently configure the SubRx DSP? If this
> feature isn't available I'd like to ask for it to be considered. As a
> minimum the EQ settings could be added to the K3 utility maybe? I'm asking
> as I have different hearing losses in each ear where what sounds good to one
> side doesn't sound right to the other and vice versa. 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Jerry Moore
> AE4PB, K3S future owner, 7 days and a wakeup til order
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:28:03 +0000
> From: Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) <PKA at telepost.gl>
> To: "w3fpr at embarqmail.com" <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    George
>    Rebong <ke6te.9 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> Message-ID:
>    <295D236FD7BC5C44AB750A354BBC9D5B3D8AF943 at wmbxnuk1.sianiut.tele.gl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Yes Don,
> I for one thought I had a dead USB/serial converter until I realized that I had it connected backwards (K2 end to KAT100 and KAT100 end to K2)!
> It does not harm anything, but  the PC will not connect.
> /OZ4UN
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] P? vegne af Don Wilhelm
> Sendt: 28. august 2015 15:05
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; George Rebong
> Emne: Re: [Elecraft] K2 KIO2 - Serial to USB
> 
> The normal PC to K2 to KAT100 cable *is* a "Y" cable of sorts, look in the KAT100 manual for the details.
> It is not possible to get it backwards because the PC end has female pins while the KAT100 end has male pins.
> The only "problem" that could occur with a properly made cable is that the connectors could be swapped between the K2 and the KAT100.
> The connector with 2 cables in it must connect to the K2 - if backwards, the KAT100 will work fine, but the PC connection will not.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/27/2015 5:17 PM, Matt Maguire wrote:
>> If you make the cable up as a "Y", better label the two ends very 
>> clearly, or tape up the dangerous end to avoid accidentally connecting 
>> a serial port to the wrong side.
>> 
>> 73, Matt VK2RQ <x-apple-data-detectors://0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:39:33 -0500
> From: Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E0FF45.8050602 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup 
> or sell it.
> 
> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. Has 
> the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no antenna 
> tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my 
> plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the K3 for 2M 
> FM so there is no FM filter.
> 
> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, CAT, 
> PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 great for 
> checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration port 
> for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I have never had to 
> re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
> 
> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well as 
> the current setup.
> 
> Jim W4ATK
> K-Line
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:01:09 -0700
> From: Phil Wheeler <w7ox at socal.rr.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10455.6050206 at socal.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new 
> interface does it all as well as the current 
> setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
> 
> 73, Phil W7OX
> 
>> On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s 
>> will arrive on Wednsday.  So now the decision of 
>> whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>> 
>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 
>> 2014. It is a basic K3. Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm 
>> TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>> antenna tuner). It currently has the 
>> K144XV-100-K 2M module installed but my plans 
>> are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not 
>> use the K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>> 
>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB 
>> connection to the confuser.  The Navigator has a 
>> very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux 
>> RS232 (full RS232 great for checking/installing 
>> new firmware in the KPA500) and a configuration 
>> port for the Navigator itself. Using the 
>> Navigator I have never had to re-cable to do 
>> firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>> 
>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so 
>> well together, I am anxious to see if the K3s 
>> with its new interface does it all as well as 
>> the current setup.
>> 
>> Jim W4ATK
>> K-Line
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:15:41 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E107BD.7010705 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> I can't comment about the K3S vs. the K3 but with my K3S I find it works 
> well with all my applications running under Windows 10.  I do have an 
> issue with WSJT and CAT control.  It doesn't like the TX DATA mode on 
> the K3S.    Other than one issue, all seems quite well with the others.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 8:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
>> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>> 
>>> On 8/28/15 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
>>> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
>>> backup or sell it.
>>> 
>>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
>>> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>>> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
>>> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
>>> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>>> 
>>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
>>> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
>>> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
>>> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
>>> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>>> 
>>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
>>> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
>>> as the current setup.
>>> 
>>> Jim W4ATK
>>> K-Line
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:26:48 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10A58.3090303 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
>> On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it. 
> 
> I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great 
> second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare 
> for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it 
> out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my 
> early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:44:07 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <w3fpr at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E10E67.1040309 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Phil,
> 
> RF wise, it should be the same as the K3.
> Computer-wise, it all depends on the computer and the equipment between 
> the computer and the K3S.  Unfortunately "Universal Serial Bus" is not 
> so 'universal' when applied to the user.
> With the variety of computer and other gear between the K3S and the 
> computer, the number of questions seem to expand exponentially as the 
> list of devices and applications expand.  USB offers a new set of 
> "challenges" that are not present with RS-232, and the unfortunate 
> answer is that it is computer dependent.  Not a good situation for 
> Elecraft support, but it is reality.  USB is not as "universal" as the 
> originators would have hoped it to be - it does have OS and device 
> dependencies.
> 
> Yes, the K3S USB connection should behave much the same as a K3 with a 
> USB to serial adapter.  The K3 simply moves the adapter inside the K3S, 
> but the FTDI driver does have its limitations.  In the computer world, 
> things are OS dependent, Browser dependent, Com port assignment 
> dependent, and a host of other dependencies.  Since the K3S has entered 
> the world of USB dependencies the OS and the K3S relationship tightens.  
> No longer do we have to simply determine which "USB" Com port is 
> connected to the K3S, but we must be able to dig down onto the chaos of 
> USB port assignment that is being used by the particular OS you are 
> running on your computer.
> 
> IMHO, RS-232 interface is much more straightforward, and more usable by 
> those who are not "computer geeks".
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 9:01 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Re "I am anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all 
>> as well as the current setup.": Please give us a full report, Jim.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:51:54 -0400
> From: "inventor61 ." <inventor61 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery
>    in K2
> Message-ID:
>    <CAHmQzTmRCM=GCeE2+4qF+CTUyj9rqT-M0GB4CEPGLqjytmYRZQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hello
> 
> My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.
> 
> I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
> charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
> and I use their superb external power supply as well.
> 
> I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
> will eventually need to be replaced once again.
> 
> I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack
> that matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
> matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a
> protection circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.
> 
> The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
> new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
> most of the longer discharge curve.
> 
> One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
> continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.
> 
> The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
> period and the cycle life of the SLA.
> 
> The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
> weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
> restrictions on such cell packs.
> 
> If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
> id: 9647).
> 
> I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
> affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
> information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
> the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.
> 
> 73
> 
> Steve KZ1X
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:53:06 -0400
> From: Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <DC1F0589-B851-488C-A5FC-487A80AA9DA6 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:04:08 -0400
> From: Jim Lowman <jmlowman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E11318.7000803 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Pretty much what I plan to do with my K3.
> Another fellow brings his K3 to our all-QRP Field Day, so I can add mine 
> to the fray.
> 
> Prior to ordering my K3S at the Huntsville Hamfest I had ordered and 
> received my two K3SYNA cards, so my "old" K3 will have the newer 
> synthesizer card and the older bandpass module.
> 
> I would have my K3S by now, but I asked Lisa to defer shipment until I 
> return home from vacation.
> 
> 73 de Jim - AD6CW
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 9:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Fri,8/28/2015 5:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>>> So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a backup or sell it.
>> 
>> I would add the new K3SYNA board and hang onto it. It makes a great
>> second rig, you can leave it set up for your VHF station, it's a spare
>> for when you need to send the K3S in for service, and you can take it
>> out to FD without tearing down your station. I've chosen to upgrade my
>> early serial K3s with synth and KXV3B rather than buy the new ones.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:33:45 -0400
> From: "James Setzler" <jms_k1sd at verizon.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>,    "N1MM Logger Plus Reflector"
>    <N1MMLoggerPlus at yahoogroups.com>,    <RTTY at contesting.com>
> Cc: John Spigel W1AN <jms at 99main.com>,    Mike McKaughan K1DM
>    <k1dm.dr.michael at gmail.com>,    KI1G Rick <ki1g at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FW: SO2V with K3 and N1MM+
> Message-ID: <000701d0e203$211aad00$63500700$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve been doing SO2V for a while now (4-5 contests anyway).  I use a DB9 serial cable from one of the desktop computer serial ports driving one W1AN FSK Adapter and then into the K3 15pin ACC.  I have 3 DIs on VFOA (MMTTY and two 2Tone (Flat and Flutter)) and 2 on VFOB (SUB RX) (one each MMTTY and 2Tone).  I CQ on VFOA with low sound volume and S&P on SUB RX (VFOB) with no volume ? I just watch the scope for a signal when tuning on B or use the band map to jump to a spot.  I use the K3 A/B button to switch back and forth; some times it works OK but many times not.  It?s rather awkward and prone to mistakes because (for whatever reason) it?s not always a clean transfer between the VFOs with N1MM in this configuration.  Hence my desire to get SO2V working as it is intended to with N1MM.
> 
> 
> 
> With help from K3IU, K8UT, VE3KI, K5ND, N6XI, W1AN, and others from the Elecraft, N1MM, and RTTY Reflectors I?ve gotten SO2V to work in AFSK cleanly and predictably on the K3 with N1MM.  I?d prefer to use FSK (just ?cause) but I?ll do it with AFSK for now. 
> 
> 
> 
> Some of the guys who use FSK simply combine the 3 needed lines from the 2 different com ports (from VFOA and VFOB) and feed their FSK adapter without any isolation diodes and they report good results (K5ND esp.).  Some com ports seem to be different from others.  K3IU reports the serial ports on his desktop have problems with FSK.  But when using his Edgeport USB to serial adapter, all works well.  Go figure.
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve a DB9 Y splitter coming that I?ll first try straight from the 2 serial ports to the single W1AN FSK Adapter.  If that works: Fine.  If not, I?ll install the diodes isolating the 2 com ports per K8UT?s article on his web page from 2012 (I just happen to use the same Rosewill RC-301 serial card).  If any issues continue, it?s full speed ahead with AFSK!
> 
> 
> 
> The SCC RTTY Contest is this Saturday 1200Z - 1200Z.  I?m going to get on and practice.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks again to all for the assistance.  
> 
> 
> 
>    73 James K1SD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:39:35 -0400
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <81DA7E97-AED0-4893-86D9-2251D6A8F225 at rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.
> 
> Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.
> 
> Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Tom
>> K4AEN
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:50:21 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW RX
> Message-ID: <55E11DED.9020009 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Kjeld,
> 
> Yes, my aids are Phonak, I've tried the TVLink [belonged to someone 
> else] and it does work well.  I think it's BlueTooth, my two aids talk 
> to each other and change programs at the same time. Sadly, they do not 
> include a boom mic which I need.  I also need to shut out surrounding 
> sounds.  I really have to focus on the one signal I'm trying to hear.  
> The US Veterans Affairs gives me my aids since my loss is the result of 
> combat service, I'm really very grateful that I get to walk around with 
> $6,000 of microelectronics stuffed into my ears that were free. :-)
> 
> I'm mainly a CW guy, would be my choice even if I could hear well, so 
> the K3 RX EQ makes SSB "possible" for me.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred Jensen K6DGW [Dad was Danish, grandmother spoke Danish with me when 
> I was little.  Mom's mother conversed in German with me until Mom and 
> Dad found out, it was WW2 and they didn't think that was all that good :-)]
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 2:50 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote:
>> Dear Fred
>> 
>> Regarding your hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send
>> LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids.
>> The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink
>> which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker
>> connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids.
>> I have been using this for about 4 years now and it is the best "headphones"
>> I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something
>> like 450 US $.
>> Vy de
>> OZ1CCM, Kjeld
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> It's personal taste, your headphones/speakers, and state of your hearing.
>> My hearing is pretty bad and my hearing aids don't work under headphones [I
>> never use speakers].
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> 
>> 
>> -----
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:00:18 -0400
> From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander at rogers.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
> Message-ID: <4FD40020-88E0-4028-B064-482768D3315B at rogers.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> In a word:  I can?t.  OK, that?s two words.
> 
> I have followed the procedure and am using the PX3s calibration signal as the signal source.  I have recorded the initial Amplitude and Phase settings.  I can see the two sideband peaks on the display and watch them move closer and further from the centre of the display as I change frequency.  However, no amount of adjusting the phase of amplitude settings will cause the opposite sideband to change whatsoever.  I am open to suggestions.
> 
> One other point.  There?s no mention that I can find in the nulling procedure that says what MODE I should be in.  If the opposite sideband is on the right of the display then shouldn?t I be in LSB?  If it doesn?t matter for this procedure then that would have been useful information too.
> 
> Any ideas or assistance would be gratefully received!
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:56:38 +1000
> From: "Peter Lambert" <plambert at qa.com.au>
> To: "'Ken Alexander'" <k.alexander at rogers.com>,    "'Tom Morehouse'"
>    <k4aen at me.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <004a01d0e20e$b5b12790$211376b0$@qa.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in case you do get quizzed by someone.
> 
> Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll be seen as personal property.
> 
> It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's found.
> 
> 73's Peter VK4JD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Alexander
> Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2015 12:40 PM
> To: Tom Morehouse
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> My first reaction is that they won?t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you?re not importing it.  If it?s your personal property and you?re taking it home with you it?s the same as all the other things you?re bringing with you.
> 
> Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.
> 
> Others may know better, but that?s my take on it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Ken Alexander
> VE3HLS
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <k4aen at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Tom
>> K4AEN
>> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:41:16 -0700
> From: "Fred Townsend" <fptownsend at earthlink.net>
> To: "'inventor61 .'" <inventor61 at gmail.com>,
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA
>    battery in    K2
> Message-ID: <006e01d0e214$f19261b0$d4b72510$@earthlink.net>
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> 
> Steve I recommend you get a LiFePO4 charger. The two batteries may occupy
> the physical space but they charge differently.
> 73
> Fred, AE6QL
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> inventor61 .
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 6:52 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] LiFePO4 replacement for internal SLA battery in K2
> 
> Hello
> 
> My older K2, #771, is still in use after almost 16 years since I built it.
> 
> I have the internal sealed lead-acid gel cell battery option.  I have the
> charge circuit slightly modified using the kit from ProAudio Engineering,
> and I use their superb external power supply as well.
> 
> I get great results, but I know one day this battery (the 2nd I have had)
> will eventually need to be replaced once again.
> 
> I contacted Batteryspace.com and asked them to fabricate a LiFePO4 pack that
> matched the dimensions of the SLA in my radio, and to also include a
> matching Elecraft pigtail to plug in to the PCB connector, with a protection
> circuit board to prevent over discharge, shorts, and the like.
> 
> The SLA is rated at 2.9Ah and the new LiFePO4 pack is rated at 4.5Ah.  The
> new pack also has the benefit of running at a slightly higher voltage for
> most of the longer discharge curve.
> 
> One key operating difference versus the SLA is that you should not
> continuously float charge the LiFePO4 pack.
> 
> The new pack is not inexpensive, but it roughly doubles both the discharge
> period and the cycle life of the SLA.
> 
> The new pack has shipped and I expect to get it after Labor Day / Shelby
> weekend.  The pack has to come via ground (to NC from W6) due to the hazmat
> restrictions on such cell packs.
> 
> If you look at their website, the pack is now listed :: item CU-J1087 (prod
> id: 9647).
> 
> I will report back here after I get the pack and try it out.  I am not
> affiliated with this firm in any way.  Rather, I am reporting this
> information as a courtesy to the other Elecrafters who recently mentioned
> the need to replace their K2 SLA batteries.
> 
> 73
> 
> Steve KZ1X
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:53:44 +0200
> From: Pierfrancesco Caci <pf at tippete.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <EA20B0A3-EF18-41EF-8A5E-43DA62656DA7 at tippete.net>
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> 
>> On 29 August 2015 05:56:38 CEST, Peter Lambert <plambert at qa.com.au> wrote:
>> You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked
>> with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the
>> European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration
>> (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a
>> copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting
>> that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow
>> foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in
>> case you do get quizzed by someone.
>> 
>> Apart from that, if you?re a casual visitor (on holidays or don?t have
>> heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll
>> be seen as personal property.
>> 
>> It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about
>> radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle
>> east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's
>> found.
>> 
>> 73's Peter VK4JD
> 
> 
> There will be no import duties as it is personal property. If you want to be extra cautious, bring a copy of your purchase receipt, but my bet is you will not be questioned at all, just exit the green nothing to declare lane and be happy.
> 
> I would definitely NOT put it in the shipped luggage. Put it in a backpack and keep it with you in cabin. Especially if you arrive in Rome airport.
> 
> Have some alkaline batteries with you
> in case security at departure asks you to turn it on. Remember that you can't put lithium batteries in shipped luggage, and there are restrictions on what you can have in cabin (size, type acceptance).
> 
> When operating in Italy, have your license with you along with your passport, in case some nosey passer by calls city police on you. 
> 
> Have fun
> 
> Pf
> -- 
> Pierfrancesco Caci
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:30:01 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
> To: "'Tom Morehouse'" <k4aen at me.com>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> Message-ID: <10228EEFBDE0487499E18CD5147849CC at DOUG1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Tom,
>    I have travelled to Italy on two occasions by plane with my KX3.   I
> will be going to IT9 land later this autumn.
> 
>     Take your license with you.   I always take my original license not a
> copy.   Have your passport but whilst travelling around in Italy/Europe keep
> your passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy with you of the main
> passport identity page.   
> 
>     I have travelled with the KX3 always with Lithium batteries inside and
> never had any problem!   My understanding is that these batteries are okay
> in equipment they are used with but should not be carried separately.   Keep
> you lithium batteries in the radio.    I travel around Europe plus to and
> from the States on a pretty regular basis and have never had any trouble
> with KX3 in carry on or luggage.    I like to pack my KX3 into the luggage
> though I have also taken it in my carry on.   If the KX3 is in the luggage
> there is even less of a hold up at security if there is any holdup at all.
> Both ways have always been just fine.   Okay maybe Rome airport could be a
> problem but I have not had any trouble anywhere with theft and this includes
> JFK once infamous but seemingly fine these days.
> 
>      Take a European to North American power adaptor with you.   I use a
> small MFJ-4103 power supply originally made for the FT817 but fine for the
> KX3.   Being a switching supply it runs from 100 to 240 VAC at 50 or 60 Hz.
> 
> 
>      I like to use an AlexLoop whilst travelling but this is not a big
> issue.   Pack the antenna in your main luggage.
> 
>      You are going to have a good time and you have nothing to be losing
> sleep over.   Chill out and have pleasant dreams of good food, warm weather,
> good wine, wonderful culture, great scenery and beautiful people.   Enjoy!
> 
>              73 Doug EI2CN   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:35:59 -0000
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <turnbull at net1.ie>
> To: "'Tom Morehouse'" <k4aen at me.com>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <81EB4D640B92453DB1E3F01D7B6E873D at DOUG1>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Tom,
>    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
> website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
> Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
> It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
> have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.
> 
>               73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:16:42 -0400
> From: "Ian" <ik7565 at verizon.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <000d01d0e24c$2f2dffc0$8d89ff40$@verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> CEPT is pretty easy, see http://www.arrl.org/us-amateurs-operating-overseas
> 73, Ian N8IK 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug
> Turnbull
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 03:36
> To: 'Tom Morehouse' <k4aen at me.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> 
> Tom,
>    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
> website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
> Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
> It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
> have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.
> 
>               73 Doug EI2CN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
> Morehouse
> Sent: 29 August 2015 01:53
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation
> 
> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
> consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
> the legalities?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Tom
> K4AEN
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:41:57 -0400
> From: Thomas Morehouse <k4aen at me.com>
> To: Doug Turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vac number 2
> Message-ID: <362A9097-E67C-4E5B-B8FC-AFD84F1D082D at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Mille grazie- Thanks to all who responded. Good advice - I think I have everything necessary - and hope to see you on the air!  
> 
> A week in Piemonte and a week in Umbria with wonderful people, food, wine and ham radio!
> 
> 73
> 
> Tom 
> K4AEN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 06:55:31 -0500
> From: Joel Black <joel.b.black at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3IOB NF and Sub-receiver Use
> Message-ID: <F7C27F52-BE64-495D-8F78-1238CA7CD521 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Any word yet on the audio NF of the K3IOB?
> 
> Does the K3IOB output a stereo signal for use with the second receiver?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:22:15 -0700 (MST)
> From: Paul Saffren N6HZ <pauls at elecraft.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PX3 opposite sideband nulling
> Message-ID: <1440861735161-7606808.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi Ken, 
> 
> First make sure the cables between the PX3 and the KX3 are firmly plugged in
> on both the KX3 and PX3 sides.  Pay attention to the I/Q 2.5mm cable.  
> During adjustment, move the encoder slowly, the adjustment values are
> usually small. 
> If you're still having trouble, please contact Elecraft customer support. 
> 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul n6hz
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:06:46 -0400
> From: jim rogers <jdrog at bellsouth.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500
>    in Oper    mode
> Message-ID: <55E1D896.5090002 at bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up 
> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and 
> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on 
> the K3S all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns 
> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft 
> components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do 
> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:19:56 -0700
> From: "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com>
> To: "'jim rogers'" <jdrog at bellsouth.net>,    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when
>    KPA500 in    Oper    mode
> Message-ID: <006101d0e276$8be17010$a3a45030$@elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Perhaps your KPA500 key line is being pulled low?  Might be a cable issue.
> I think there's an asterisk on the left side of the KPA500 LCD that shows
> when the PA KEY line is being pulled down.
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim
> rogers
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:07 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when KPA500 in Oper
> mode
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up my
> KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
> 
> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and loud,
> BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on the K3S
> all but disappears!
> 
> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns to
> loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft components.
> 
> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do I
> have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
> 
> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
> 
> Jim N4DU
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 14:32:41 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3s
> Message-ID: <55E208D9.9010204 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> My take on this.........a fellow can't have too many radios.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
> 
>> On 8/28/2015 7:39 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>> I just got my UPS tracking number and my new K3s will arrive on 
>> Wednsday.  So now the decision of whether to keep my K3 100 as a 
>> backup or sell it.
>> 
>> It is s/n 8164 and was purchased in April of 2014. It is a basic K3. 
>> Has the KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO and the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter, KANT3 (no 
>> antenna tuner). It currently has the K144XV-100-K 2M module installed 
>> but my plans are to transfer that to the new unit.  I do not use the 
>> K3 for 2M FM so there is no FM filter.
>> 
>> I use a Timewave Navigator for a one USB connection to the confuser.  
>> The Navigator has a very low noise USB Codec and six serial ports, 
>> CAT, PTT, CW Winkey, RTTY (sure enuff FSK), Aux RS232 (full RS232 
>> great for checking/installing new firmware in the KPA500) and a 
>> configuration port for the Navigator itself. Using the Navigator I 
>> have never had to re-cable to do firmware updates to the K3 or the P3.
>> 
>> Together, the K3 and the Navigator integrate so well together, I am 
>> anxious to see if the K3s with its new interface does it all as well 
>> as the current setup.
>> 
>> Jim W4ATK
>> K-Line
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> 
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> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:52:23 -0400
> From: Warren Merkel <hullspeed21 at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3S (10195) and audio level drop when
>    KPA500 in Oper mode
> Message-ID: <55E20D77.3050900 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Did you check what the K3S power level displays when the KPA500 is in
> Operate mode?  It could be set for very low drive. I have mine set up to
> lower the drive from 100w to 30w when the KPA500 goes from standby to
> operate.   If you have the setting for per band mode enabled, you will
> need to check it on each band.
> 
> Warren, KD4Z
> 
> 
>> On 8/29/2015 12:06 PM, jim rogers wrote:
>> Good morning,
>> 
>> I have a new K3S, serial # 10195.  All was going well until I hooked up
>> my KPA500 to the K3S using the Elecraft supplied aux cable (E850463).
>> 
>> In standby mode (on the KPA500) the audio level on the K3S is nice and
>> loud, BUT when I press the OPER button on the KPA500 the audio level on
>> the K3S all but disappears!
>> 
>> If I then press STBY on the KPA500, the audio level on the K3S returns
>> to loud. Only the E850463 cable connects between the two Elecraft
>> components.
>> 
>> The KPA500 is about 1 year old and has performed flawlessly to date.  Do
>> I have a Firmware issue with the "older" KPA500 and the brand new K3S?
>> 
>> Thank you for any suggestion on how to resolve this issue.
>> 
>> Jim N4DU
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Mon Aug 31 13:01:39 2015
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:01:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?
In-Reply-To: <1441038050.68048.YahooMailBasic@web185303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000801d0e406$e16b59b0$a4420d10$@windstream.net>
	<1441038050.68048.YahooMailBasic@web185303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201d0e40e$b4c85f90$1e591eb0$@windstream.net>

Bruce - John - Terry,

Bruce, no problem on signing the post, I just wondered who I would be
talking with!!

I used to be very active with a small QRQ group of hams in which we would
typically have QSO's over 100 wpm and sometimes as high as 125 wpm.

I, in the past month, have tested my K3 s/n 8895, tested into a dummy load
with full QSK. I believe Elecraft specifies full QSK at 100 wpm, but I could
never get it to go that quick and at about 95 wpm, characters would start
losing spacing and weight settings. However with the installation of the new
synthesizer boards and the firmware upgrade, I was able to test my K3 at
between 115 wpm and 120 wpm. Meaning I could copy the characters at those
speeds. Above about 120 wpm, the spacing and weight issue crept in again. I
would feel very secure in recommending the K3 (and probably) the K3S
operating full QSK at 120 wpm and we really could not ask for anything more
than that! 

At one time I owned an original Orion and the Orion II, neither of which I
could use for QRQ; back then when I was doing QRQ I would use a modified
Omni 6+ and if I wanted to run over 90 to 100 wpm, I would use either an
IC-781 or an IC-7700. Now I am more into contesting simply because the old
QRQ group dissipated, but in my opinion, my K3 is really great for operating
in a high signal environment and the high speed full QRQ is just an added
plus!

I hope this info helps some.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: bruce whitney [mailto:zuceman at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:21 PM
To: Chester Alderman
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?

Sorry - I forgot to sign the post... oversight on my part.
I am Bruce Whitney, Callsign W8RA


--------------------------------------------
-----Original
 Message-----
 From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
 On Behalf Of bruce
 whitney via Elecraft
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:38 AM
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] QRQ QSK - specs?
 
 Anyone know? - Does Elecraft
 offer any specifications for QSK performance?
 Perhaps some sort of T/R turnaround time or a  claim for some max. WPM with
acceptible  performance?
 I've been in discusions
 with some friends that do QRQ QSK with K3's and the  K3s - seems to be some
slight  disappointment.
 No problem for me - But I
 have noticed that my Orion II seems better than my
 K3 (with the new Synth) in QSK...
 Anything official on this?
 
 
 
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From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Aug 31 13:02:29 2015
From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <CAJNRSCY5LURY9AEVQWv01S+Q+VOAWxe3me1ig1nD43kfzstH_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJNRSCY5LURY9AEVQWv01S+Q+VOAWxe3me1ig1nD43kfzstH_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E488A5.2000604@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Definitely not "just as easy" if the field is supposed to be a number.

The right way to code this is to eliminate First Class Mail as an option 
when the weight goes over 14 oz.

Whoever wrote the shopping cart on the web site didn't really anticipate 
some of the very light items that Elecraft sells.  If they don't have 
source code (likely) then fixing it could be difficult.

I know, I ran a hosting company and did sites for 25 years.

That said, it seems IOTTMCO that if the shipping charge is $999, one 
should explore other options.

73 -- Lynn

On 8/31/2015 5:36 AM, James Wilson wrote:
> This has come up before. Wouldn't it be just as easy to program
> the system to say something like "INVALID" RATHER THAN $999.00
> to indicate INVALID ?
>
> Jim - W4RKS


From tf3y at tf3y.net  Mon Aug 31 13:04:10 2015
From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y))
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:04:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
In-Reply-To: <55E48182.9000003@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<55E38A4F.80408@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<018a01d0e392$c1206340$436129c0$@carolinaheli.com>
	<55E3BB22.5010605@gmail.com>
	<55e3bce5.2965420a.7977c.5f53@mx.google.com>
	<55E3C553.7010806@blomand.net> <55E3C881.8040207@gmail.com>
	<55E48182.9000003@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CADXHQty3t2KPcCLG_FyNNjvYaY95P4z+9Wc3xH7jsHqfJCY9FA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim.

I forgot to mention that I was aware of your survey in terms of CW signal
purity.

Even though I'm personally most interested in CW I wonder if there is any
recent two tone SSB tests that's been published?

73, Yngvi TF3Y

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Sun,8/30/2015 8:22 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>
>> Again, the Sherwood TX IMD test that is the basis of the eHam thread is
>> almost 7 years old.
>>
>
> Study k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf  which is a comparison of ARRL LAb testing of
> popular transceivers, including the K3. Occupied bandwidth of a CW signal
> is an excellent test of IMD, because CW is 100% modulation of a carrier by
> a square wave, whose infinite harmonics excite IMD. The K3 is the cleanest
> of all rigs tested, and it isn't close.
>
> IMD in a K3 is highest at its highest power setting, and is also highest
> with low DC power supply voltage. Unlike many other popular rigs, IMD in
> the K3 gets even better at reduced output power. Most of the better power
> amps require drive power in the range of 30-50 watts, and having a clean
> signal matters most when you're loud in the other guy's RX. :)
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From lromero at ij.net  Mon Aug 31 13:29:57 2015
From: lromero at ij.net (Lu Romero)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
Message-ID: <55e48f15.a9.ba4.2087778279@ij.net>

Jim, et al:

"...having a clean signal matters most when you're loud in
the other guy's RX."

>From your mouth to God's ears!  

I was pleasantly surprised at the lack of "turn the knobs
all the way to the right" entrants in this past weekend's
SSB Sprint!  Yes, few mushy and bassy signals, but the large
majority of the signals I heard here were very clear, punchy
and easy to copy!

I don't note this in other phone contests recently.  Seems
that the majority of the players in this Sprint thing are
the more successful contest types, from the callsigns
represented.  

Could they know something that the general run of the mill
guys know about articulated and clean audio?  How can this
be evangelized better?  There is hope for SSB contests yet!

Lu-W4LT
K-Line

From arlenfletcher at mac.com  Mon Aug 31 15:11:31 2015
From: arlenfletcher at mac.com (Arlen Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:11:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 w/ Begali Adventure key
Message-ID: <8316207C-ACF9-4FC6-B22D-1595297F3EB4@mac.com>

I?m selling my KX3 w/ Begali Adventure paddle. This is a great turnkey SOTA system!

I am the original owner; I purchased it in March 2014. It is in mint condition and has been used very infrequently. 100% non-smoking environment. It operates normally - I have had no problems with this radio at all - except for drift of the realtime clock - which Elecraft says is within the published specs. It has always been transported in it's case (see photos on my QRZ page). S/N 598x (it has the ball-bearing VFO).

Here is what is included: 

KX3 160-6 M Transceiver
KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Set
KXAT3 ATU
KXBC3 Int. NiMH Charger/Clk
KXFL3 Dual Passband Roofing Filter
KXUSB USB Interface Cable
Elecraft KX3 Heatsink Upgrade Kit
Heil Proset headset/Mic.
Begali Adventure key - new in Jan. 2015
Weatherproof case (from "Outdoor Cases") for KX3 and Begali paddle
Right-angle BNC adapter
Original manuals
Price: $1,450 + $35 Shipping. Will ship to the lower 48 U.S. only - payment with Cashier's check or Money Order (no PayPal please).

Thanks and 73!

Arlen - AA7F

From pdtwonotes at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:37:35 2015
From: pdtwonotes at gmail.com (Paul Dickson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:37:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] equalization in DATA-A mode?
In-Reply-To: <A3AD7711-8184-4F05-8144-4AD938F3D1E0@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <1440970276.32385.14.camel@gmail.com>
	<A3AD7711-8184-4F05-8144-4AD938F3D1E0@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <55E4BB0F.2090904@gmail.com>

That seems to have been it!   The doc says that the Flatten button makes 
it correct for un-eveness in the passband.  I am guessing that WSJT sees 
the tapering ends of the spectrum where the KX3 signal drops off (where 
ever I happen to have the bandwidth set) and over-corrects for it.


- Paul KB1EHD

On 08/30/2015 06:29 PM, David Anderson wrote:
> Have you tried un-checking the flatten button? I read that causes such 
> problems. I use WSJT 10 here with my KX3 on DATA A at full bandwidth 
> which isn't 4kHz ( but that is another question) and it is reasonably 
> flat. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:52:16 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:52:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - intermittant noise on 60 meters
In-Reply-To: <783EE09F-A15B-46AE-91EF-5876CD70A084@me.com>
References: <783EE09F-A15B-46AE-91EF-5876CD70A084@me.com>
Message-ID: <55E4BE80.8020105@embarqmail.com>

Hans,

I believe that noise is the "ticking" of the Real Time Clock in the 
KDSP2.  It will only occur when you tap DISPLAY or one of the DSP menus.
It should not be heard in normal operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2015 10:41 AM, Hans Bonnesen wrote:
> After reinstalling the internal battery in my K2, a new and hitherto never heard
> intermittant noise is now heard in display mode.
> It appears as one every second.
> Could that be noise from the charging circuit
> entering the recently installed KDSP2 unit.
> Any clues to this ??
>


From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:01:52 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <55E4C0C0.9070104@embarqmail.com>

I have been shipping parcels with Elecraft gear in them for 11 years.  
Sometimes as many as 6 or 7 a week recently.  In all that time, I have 
only know of 3 which had gone astray, but were eventually delivered.  I 
normally use USPS Priority Mail and it is fast, reliable and 
economical.  Two or 3 day delivery to any of the 50 states.  The price 
is a little more than UPS Ground, and less than UPS 3 day.
UPS and FedEx are good too, and if you can get commercial rates, they 
are discounted, but I depend on USPS much more than UPS.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2015 8:58 AM, Ray Sills wrote:
> USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only once in my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
> The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major city)? but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished for a day or two, before finally coming back to Philly and ultimately to me.  BTW, this hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  I still prefer USPS Priority.
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Aug 31 17:15:09 2015
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4C0C0.9070104@embarqmail.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
	<55E4C0C0.9070104@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E4C3DD.2070602@blomand.net>

As I have done repairs over the years and thus shipped many items, I've 
found any mode of expedited shipping is more likely to get the 
merchandise to its destination with little to no damage and no items 
were actually lost.    Ground freight, UPS Ground or FED X Ground, seems 
to get boxes moved and loaded and unloaded and moved and dropped and 
such many times where as expedited shipping greatly reduces handling.

As a comment from my former company, we never insured merchandise. It is 
overall less expensive in a years time to risk loosing 1 or 2 packages 
than to insure every one of them.  Besides, if the package is insured 
for say $3K that raises suspicion to handlers as to what it contains.  
With no insurance coverage, it could  be a box of books, which would 
appear to the uninformed, as of no interest.

Of note, the shipping charge for my new K3S from CA to TN was $35.35.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10,163

On 8/31/2015 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I have been shipping parcels with Elecraft gear in them for 11 years.  
> Sometimes as many as 6 or 7 a week recently.  In all that time, I have 
> only know of 3 which had gone astray, but were eventually delivered.  
> I normally use USPS Priority Mail and it is fast, reliable and 
> economical.  Two or 3 day delivery to any of the 50 states.  The price 
> is a little more than UPS Ground, and less than UPS 3 day.
> UPS and FedEx are good too, and if you can get commercial rates, they 
> are discounted, but I depend on USPS much more than UPS.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/31/2015 8:58 AM, Ray Sills wrote:
>> USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only 
>> once in my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
>> The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major 
>> city)? but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished for 
>> a day or two, before finally coming back to Philly and ultimately to 
>> me.  BTW, this hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  I still prefer 
>> USPS Priority.
>>
>
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From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 18:33:36 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 18:33:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4C3DD.2070602@blomand.net>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>
	<55E4C0C0.9070104@embarqmail.com> <55E4C3DD.2070602@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <55E4D640.2050207@embarqmail.com>

Well, the K2, K1, KX1, K3 and KX3 are unique in that they contain 
certain options, so I believe insurance is worthwhile.  If I were a 
company shipping something that is non-configurable, and I had 
replacement stock, then you are correct that it would be less expensive 
over time to simply replace whatever was lost or strayed. But if you 
have essentially a one-of-a-kind item, insurance is a good idea.

As far as damage goes, the only time I have seen damage is when the 
article is not well packed in the box.  If it can move inside the 
packaging, there is a good chance of damage.  Think about an abrupt stop 
at the end of one of those roller package handling conveyers. That is 
when knobs or antenna jacks could come in contact with the inside of the 
packaging.  Bubble wrap and packing peanuts work well for packing, but 
those large air bags should not be used with anything having substantial 
weight.  I have seen many of those large air bags that have popped and 
allowed the contents to move after they pop.  Soft foam sheets do not 
work well either, they 'squish' too much.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2015 5:15 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>
> As a comment from my former company, we never insured merchandise. It 
> is overall less expensive in a years time to risk loosing 1 or 2 
> packages than to insure every one of them.  Besides, if the package is 
> insured for say $3K that raises suspicion to handlers as to what it 
> contains.  With no insurance coverage, it could  be a box of books, 
> which would appear to the uninformed, as of no interest.
>
> Of note, the shipping charge for my new K3S from CA to TN was $35.35.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> K3S s/n 10,163
>
> On 8/31/2015 4:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have been shipping parcels with Elecraft gear in them for 11 
>> years.  Sometimes as many as 6 or 7 a week recently.  In all that 
>> time, I have only know of 3 which had gone astray, but were 
>> eventually delivered.  I normally use USPS Priority Mail and it is 
>> fast, reliable and economical.  Two or 3 day delivery to any of the 
>> 50 states.  The price is a little more than UPS Ground, and less than 
>> UPS 3 day.
>> UPS and FedEx are good too, and if you can get commercial rates, they 
>> are discounted, but I depend on USPS much more than UPS.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 8/31/2015 8:58 AM, Ray Sills wrote:
>>> USPS Priority does a fine job.  And, insurance is available.  Only 
>>> once in my experience did USPS have a shipping hiccup:
>>> The package coming to me had arrived in Philadelphia (closest major 
>>> city)? but somehow, it got sent to California, where I languished 
>>> for a day or two, before finally coming back to Philly and 
>>> ultimately to me.  BTW, this hiccup was not an order from Elecraft.  
>>> I still prefer USPS Priority.
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From mteberle at mchsi.com  Mon Aug 31 18:57:37 2015
From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>
	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <55E4DBE1.7000203@mchsi.com>


It says right there in on the Shopping Cart screen that the KSUN3AUPG is 
0.80 lbs, or if you have 2 in the cart, 1.60 lbs which is 12.8 oz for 
one or 25.6 ounces for two.

On 8/31/2015 6:37 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I really don't think the two boards exceed 4 oz much less 14. He left a field blank on the info screen. Go back and make a selection for EVERY field and you should be fine. The form does not make assumptions.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Aug 31, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Bob <K2TK at ptd.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>>                 The 2 boards most likely exceed the 14 oz limit.
>>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Aug 31 19:14:36 2015
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:14:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4D640.2050207@embarqmail.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>	<55E3EB32.7090304@ptd.net>	<6D57D4C1-EACF-4CE9-AD3A-EFAC6747DEE5@widomaker.com>	<5173C602-4597-4DCA-B892-96F55BA5DB4F@verizon.net>	<55E4C0C0.9070104@embarqmail.com>
	<55E4C3DD.2070602@blomand.net> <55E4D640.2050207@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E4DFDC.3050501@foothill.net>

Yes, definitely.  I almost never buy anything on eBay, but did purchase 
a Bird Thru-Line with several slugs a few years ago.  It arrived with 
the meter destroyed [pretty hard to destroy the rest of a Thru-Line 
:-)].  It had been packed with two of the double large air bags, 3 of 
the 4 bags were deflated when I opened the package. No relief from the 
seller, I guess it's caveat emptor all over again.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV



On 8/31/2015 3:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bubble wrap and packing peanuts work well for packing, but those large 
> air bags should not be used with anything having substantial weight.  
> I have seen many of those large air bags that have popped and allowed 
> the contents to move after they pop.  Soft foam sheets do not work 
> well either, they 'squish' too much.


From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Aug 31 19:36:08 2015
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 16:36:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4DFDC.3050501@foothill.net>
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Message-ID: <55E4E4E8.7010408@sonic.net>

I bought a mic mixer on Ebay that arrived packed with no padding 
whatsoever.  He had basically just wrapped cardboard around the chassis, 
taped it up, and stuck a mailing label on it.

The damage was surprisingly small considering, but of course the seller 
didn't even reply when I contacted him about it.

That's one reason I rarely buy anything on Ebay.  I've had much better 
luck with Amazon.

Alan N1AL


On 08/31/2015 04:14 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Yes, definitely.  I almost never buy anything on eBay, but did purchase
> a Bird Thru-Line with several slugs a few years ago.  It arrived with
> the meter destroyed [pretty hard to destroy the rest of a Thru-Line
> :-)].  It had been packed with two of the double large air bags, 3 of
> the 4 bags were deflated when I opened the package. No relief from the
> seller, I guess it's caveat emptor all over again.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2015 3:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Bubble wrap and packing peanuts work well for packing, but those large
>> air bags should not be used with anything having substantial weight. I
>> have seen many of those large air bags that have popped and allowed
>> the contents to move after they pop.  Soft foam sheets do not work
>> well either, they 'squish' too much.
>
> __

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Aug 31 20:07:40 2015
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:07:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4E4E8.7010408@sonic.net>
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Let's end the thread for now, as it looks like its been pretty much beaten to death. Lots of posts!  Time to give the rest of our readers an email overload break ;-)

73,
Eric
Moderator etc.
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Aug 31, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Alan <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> I bought a mic mixer on Ebay that arrived packed with no padding whatsoever.  He had basically just wrapped cardboard around the chassis, taped it up, and stuck a mailing label on it.
> 
> The damage was surprisingly small considering, but of course the seller didn't even reply when I contacted him about it.
> 
> That's one reason I rarely buy anything on Ebay.  I've had much better luck with Amazon.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
>> On 08/31/2015 04:14 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Yes, definitely.  I almost never buy anything on eBay, but did purchase
>> a Bird Thru-Line with several slugs a few years ago.  It arrived with
>> the meter destroyed [pretty hard to destroy the rest of a Thru-Line
>> :-)].  It had been packed with two of the double large air bags, 3 of
>> the 4 bags were deflated when I opened the package. No relief from the
>> seller, I guess it's caveat emptor all over again.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> Sparks NV
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/31/2015 3:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Bubble wrap and packing peanuts work well for packing, but those large
>>> air bags should not be used with anything having substantial weight. I
>>> have seen many of those large air bags that have popped and allowed
>>> the contents to move after they pop.  Soft foam sheets do not work
>>> well either, they 'squish' too much.
>> 
>> __
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 20:13:23 2015
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCZojaUVe8uE9Yxe8Rm6eK1jc5eHKSgRMN0P=BApdWVcsw@mail.gmail.com>

All this talk about shipping cost and damage reminds
me how great it is to order Elecraft KITS. They're
well packed and we get the fun of assembly.

Shipping is expensive no matter who is the carrier.

Jim - W4RKS

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Aug 31 23:13:55 2015
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:13:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IMD Questions
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On Mon,8/31/2015 10:04 AM, Yngvi (TF3Y) wrote:
> Even though I'm personally most interested in CW I wonder if there is 
> any recent two tone SSB tests that's been published?

I've published some SSB bandwidth measurements using pink noise as 
excitation. Because pink noise contains all frequencies, the spectra 
resembles music and speech, and is dynamic, it excites IMD in a manner 
comparable to speech.

http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf

http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf

So far, I've measured only a few rigs using pink noise, but of those 
I've measured, I've seen very little difference between them.

On the air is a very different story -- it's VERY common to see 
distortion on SSB signals in the form of both upper and lower sidebands 
on audio peaks. Because it is present in both sidebands, I strongly 
suspect it's caused by power amps that are over-driven, or poorly tuned, 
or improperly biased. We hear it as splatter (sometimes as wide as 10-20 
kHz), and see it on the P3 and horizontal lines corresponding to audio 
peaks.

73, Jim K9YC



From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 23:31:31 2015
From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:31:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E488A5.2000604@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
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Message-ID: <55E51C13.4000702@sbcglobal.net>

It seems to me that, if the calculated weight of the shipment exceeds 
the limit for First Class Mail, the option could be "grayed out" or a 
message to that effect could be displayed next to the "Shipped to you 
via:" field.  Also, when First Class Mail is the chosen option, it does 
say "Small Parts, USA ONLY, 14 Oz. Max."

Even if Elecraft contracts for web development, they certainly can press 
the developer(s) for such an option.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 8/31/2015 1:02 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Definitely not "just as easy" if the field is supposed to be a number.
>
> The right way to code this is to eliminate First Class Mail as an option
> when the weight goes over 14 oz.
>
> Whoever wrote the shopping cart on the web site didn't really anticipate
> some of the very light items that Elecraft sells.  If they don't have
> source code (likely) then fixing it could be difficult.
>
> I know, I ran a hosting company and did sites for 25 years.
>
> That said, it seems IOTTMCO that if the shipping charge is $999, one
> should explore other options.
>
> 73 -- Lynn

From w3fpr at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug 31 23:37:43 2015
From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 23:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wow, Elecraft charges a lot for shipping!
In-Reply-To: <55E4DBE1.7000203@mchsi.com>
References: <1440988148319-7606836.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<55E4DBE1.7000203@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <55E51D87.7030302@embarqmail.com>

You are forgetting to add the weight of the shipping box and any packing 
material.
Yes, that is the weight of the raw board.
Add 2 or 3 ounces for the packaging and the total goes over 14 oz, which 
is the 1st class limit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2015 6:57 PM, Michael Eberle wrote:
>
> It says right there in on the Shopping Cart screen that the KSUN3AUPG 
> is 0.80 lbs, or if you have 2 in the cart, 1.60 lbs which is 12.8 oz 
> for one or 25.6 ounces for two.
>
> On 8/31/2015 6:37 AM, Nr4c wrote:
>> I really don't think the two boards exceed 4 oz much less 14. He left 
>> a field blank on the info screen. Go back and make a selection for 
>> EVERY field and you should be fine. The form does not make assumptions.
>>


From srmuenich at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 23:44:32 2015
From: srmuenich at gmail.com (Steve Muenich)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 22:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S trouble doing PSK31 w DM780
Message-ID: <A60940E3-D18C-4CED-B8EB-4B7D05CBAB99@gmail.com>

Hi all,

It's my first time posting to this group as I recently got my K3S #10121 on the air.  I have been really enjoying playing with it on SSB and CW. 
I use HRD as my logging and rig control. But over the last couple of nights I have been trying to get on the digital modes, mostly PSK31 at first. 
Im using the USB interface to PC, I have good rx and I am decoding PSK fine. Problem is when I go to TX. I have PTT with rf power out and monitor audio as I hear data but No ALC indication at all. K3S is in Data mode. 
I hear good and when I try to answer CQ no one ever responds. 

Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong?

Thanks in advance. 

73
Steve, NA5C



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