[Elecraft] Split N/A

[Ken Chandler]

I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated.


Ken.. G0ORH

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> On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The reason for programming a default "smart split" is to move the TX VFO
> *away* from the frequency of the DX station. "How far to move?" is a
> secondary issue.
> 
> No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but
> anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split
> for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very
> acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is
> only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't
> hugely important. 
> 
> The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be
> zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user
> double-presses A>B to escape from the "SPLIT N/A" situation, it brings
> both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away
> from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. 
> 
> Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection
> against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has
> become an industry standard. With one notable exception.
> 
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Joe
>> Subich, W4TV
>> Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>> 
>> 
>>> And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on
>>> one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY
>>> and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode.
>> 
>> However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A->B
>> button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital
>> and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on
>> a different band rather than SPLIT N/A.
>> 
>> Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick
>> Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely
>> to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the "Smart
>> Split" splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW,
>> UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote:
>>> Frank,
>>> 
>>> Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and
> to
>>> tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you
> are
>>> right!   To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I
> have a
>>> nasty habit of "double pushing" the SPLIT button before holding it to
>> engage
>>> split.  This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT
> button
>>> transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works
> just
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> Am curious what "a whole lot of button pushing" means to you?
>> Personally,
>>> I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split
> once,
>>> before holding the same button to be "extremely annoying".   And I do
> not
>>> have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and
>> CW/SSB
>>> on the other.  You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is
> not
>>> exactly a common mode.  SSB and CW split (though not common) does
>> occur.
>>> 
>>> In any case, I hope you do not "dump" your K3 because you find a
> double
>>> push, and then a "hold" to be that much of an annoyance.
>>> 
>>> Dick,  K8ZTT
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>> 
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> Frank
>>> Westphal
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM
>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A
>>> 
>>> Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the
> Split
>> N/A
>>> error message.  I do not get this message when changing modes from
>>> CW to SSB or SSB to CW.   Since I am primarily a DXer who works split
>>> having to change from split operation before mode change and then
>> change
>>> back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing.  This
> is
>>> extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3.
>>> Elecraft told me this was for my own protection.  I don't need a
> company
>> to
>>> tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a
> product
>> easy
>>> to operate.  I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware
> fix for
>>> this annoying issue.  Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for
> the
>> last
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> K6FW
> 
> 
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